447 Matters Under Rule 377 MARCH 9,1992 Motion of Thanks on 448 President’s Address [Dr K D Jeswani] (vlil) Need to Grant Licences for Setting up New Sugar facto- cheques of exports refunds amounting to ries In Meerut region, U.P. over Rs 100 crores This has not only disturbed industrialists but may result in shut [ TranslationJ down of a few industries These financial hurdles are definitely discouraging export- SHRI HARPAL PANWAR (Kairana) Mr oriented industries and earnings of foreign Speaker, Sir, the condition of the sugarcane exchange in a big way cultivators of U P has become miserable, as the intake of the sugar mills in the State is Nadiad-Baroda based industry, Hindus­ less than 30% of the total sugarcane produc­ tan Conductors Ltd of Gujarat alone has its tion The farmers are forced to sell the dues worth Rs 5 30 crores remaining 70% at throwaway prices, which doesn’t fetch them even the production costs I earnestly request the Central Govern In Meerut division of Western U P , there are ment ‘o issue necessary instructions in this very few sugar mills, as a result of which the regard farmers in ihe region find themselves in dire straits It is my humble request to the Union (vii) Need to take Steps for Early Government that it should sanction licences Completion of Kayamkulam for the immediate establishment of at least Thermal Power Station In Kerala 25 sugar mills in the Meerut Division other wise sugarcane cultivators of U P , espe SHRI THAYIL JOHN ANJALOSE (Allep- cially of the Meerut division would be totally pey) Sir, I would like to invite the attention of ruined Government to the hurdles in the way of the proposed Kayamkulam Thermal Power 13.05 hrs. Station in Kerala The Thermal Project was proposed to be set up in Kerala considenng The Lok Sabha then adjourned for lunch the acute oower shortage m th<* State The till Project was proposed to be set up by the NTPC with the economic and technical aid five Minutes past fourteen of the clock from the erstwhile Soviet Union Initial work had started but due to the happenings in the Soviet Union it has como to a halt The NTPC has withdrawn its staff from the site Total uncertainty prevails ove. the The Lok Sabha re-assembled after Lunch Project and the Central Gcvernment has not at eight minutes past Fourteen of the taken any steps to remove that The Central Clock Government so far has also not given envi­ ronmental clearance I would request the (MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER m the Chair) Government to seek aid from any other foreign countries and get the project com­ MOTION OF THANKS ON THE PRESI­ pleted Several crores of rupees have al­ DENT’S ADDRESS—CONTD ready been spent on the project and any delay in the completion would create more [English] problems especially for the State of Kerala which is facing a grave power crisis MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER The House will now take up further discussion on the I request the Central Government to President's Address moved by Shn P M look into the matter early Sayeed 449 Motion of Thanks on PHALQUNA19,1913 (SAKA) President s Address 450

Now, Shrimati Saroj Dubey to continue World Bank and it has reached a point of no return Today, the country’s self-respect [ Translation) and honour are being put at stake A coun­ try, which had a rightful place under the sun, SHRIMATI SAROJ DUBEY (Allahabad) today finds itself in the category of slaves Hon Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, while oppos­ and is getting crushed under heavy debt ing the Motion of Thanks on the President’s Address, I would like to say that the present Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir an impression Government has mortgaged the country's is being created that the multi national self respect and economic sovereignty atthe companies are going to heavily invest in the hands of International Financial institutions country Past experience speaks volumes With reference to the unprecedented eco of the fact that these companies only bleed nomic crisis, it says that "the country must the country of it resources and render out prepare itself to take hard and unpleasant people jobless A conspiracy is being hatched economic decisions ” It is indeed true that to destroy our traditional arts and skills and the Government had to take same hard the country is gradually on the way to losing decisions for it is indeed a hard decision to its economic independence mortgage the country’s self-respect and economic independence at the hands of The Government has said that women others The increasing interference of the and children constitute the two most vulner International Monetary Fund and the license able groups of our population that need given to Multi-national companies to play special attention It has further stated th W havoc with the country s economy, in the the highest priority would be given to meet name of liberalisation cannot be termed as their requirements and that the Government ordinary decisions It is also a hard decision is committed to expand the Integrated Child to hand over the responsibility of formulating Development Scheme Mr Deputy Speaker economic policies, to the I M F and World Sir, I would like to say that those who work for Bank as well as the countries which call the the upliftment of women and also the Inte shots in these institutions It also requires grated Child Development Scheme play a sheer courage on the Part of the Govern multifarious role that of a teacher by provid­ ment to implement the ‘Dunkel’ proposals ing pre-school education to children, that of and to listen to the abuses of American a doctor by rendering pre-natal services that Senator Mr Baker that India is the most of a social worker by checking population notorious thief of American Dollars It is growth that of a cook by distributing nutu indeed a hard decision to hear such abuses tious foot they groom the children, who are and continue to take decisions aimed at the future citizens of the country Yet these lowering the country s prestige and conse workers are being exploited to the hilt They quently face humiliating situations If we are being made to work for eight long hours send rice to Cuba, we have to give an expla­ for a petty sum of Rs 275/ per month A nation to the U S A and the World Bank person who performs the duties of a teacher Similarly, explanation are to be given for a doctor and a social worker and who-e chdd each and every policy the Government for­ is hungry can never do justice to her work mulates Did the country's martyrs laid down She can never be a social worker She can their lives at the altar of country’s freedom never work dor the betterment of I he wtakor struggle to see the light of this day? Did sections of the society While on tho ore Sardar Bhagat Singh and Ashfaqullah cou­ hand an Anganwadi worker is expected to rageously face the guillotine, so that the distribute nutritious food and prevent malm future generations may take the country trition among children but with soai mg price*- towards economic slavery? Today, the it is next to impossible for an Anganvytadi country is fully in the grip of the IM F and the worker to do justice to her work and keep her 451 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President’s Address 452

[Smt SarojDubey] on paper only Women are very busy and have no spare time They walk upto four family going with a meagre monthly salary of kilometres to get water Then she has to Rs 275/- How can she bring smiles on the search for wood and fodder for the cattle So faces of the children, when she herself is in the Government has to work for the women tears? How will she be able to mould the in rural areas and not for women in urban personalrty of the children? Therefore, Mr areas who already have a high-level of Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Government should awareness All the developmental s c h e m e ? thoroughly review the Integrated Child De­ should not be directed towards urban areas velopment Scheme, for only then correct An awareness should be brought about and concrete steps can be taken to improve among the rural people who are being ex the lot of women and children plotted due to their ignorance and blind be liefs Women in India have been exploited Sir a point regarding the girl child was since long The laws are not framed or mentioned There are no separate schools implemented properly The Family Courts, for girls in rural areas There are very few Anti-Dowry and Child-Marriage Acts have primary or middle schools The girl-child been framed As you know mass child does not get proper education because marriages are held in Rajasthan The Satf adequate facilities are not available Due to system is still being practised in Rajasthan lack of proper education, women are ad­ and women are turned into mendicants versely affected by blind boliefs and ortho­ Young girls of our country are sold off m doxy and subjected to social exploitation foreign countries They are treated very The Government formulates many women- badly there A demand is being made for a oriented schemes and gives them wide National Women Commission In rural ar spread publicity Regarding primary educa eas we have seen primary health centres tion, it was said that the Government had without teacheers The tubewells are dry taken a resolution to provide free education Schemes are formulated but never imple for rhildren upto the age of 14 years This mented Last year an attractive draft was resolution has not been fulfilled for the last presented and it was hoped that condition of 31 years Today most of the children upto women and child labour would improve this the age of 14 years in our country can be year They only development that has taken found working in ‘dhabas’, hotels and glass place isthatthe country’s economic sovereig factories Children sorting garbage in dark mty has been mortgaged to foreigners I feel alleys or cleaning railway coaches are a slap that the present Government has given many in the face of the Child Labour > aws It is hollow assurances Now they should not say totally wrong to say that child ''xploitation that the public distribution system would be does not exist any more T 1’» Danarasi strengthened to check rise in prices The saree and carpet industry s it Var public distribution system could not be anasi and Mirzapur Thousands of children strengthened in 44 years The public distri work there for 12 18 hours per day It is said button system may be functioning property that these children have greater capacity for in urban areas but in rural areas they are not work and they don’t face any work rehted doing their job All the goods are sold on the problems black market Rural people are not able to get kerosene oil The burn tyres or leaves for I have seen young girls in Madras light They have forgotten the taste of sugar wearing sarees to pass off as older women They cannot afford flour at Rs 6/- a kg or Dozens of laws have been framed for women pulses at Rs 20/- a kg It is the only reason A lot is said about non formal education which has led to the starvation deaths in adult education and all round rhild develop Kalahandi and Malwa and the mass suicides ment but all such proposa 1 h jve remained being committed by weavers Efforts should 453 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 454 be made to change the entire system rather Janata and the National FrontGovernments. than individual aspects. There is no im- There should be the appreciation of the hon. provement in the economic situation, the Members to the stand of the Government. public distribution system or the condition of women and children. The Government The second thing is this. Our hon. should rise above politics, change its poli- Prime Minister Shri P.V. Narasimha Rao cies and work towards national develop- assured here in this House that he would ment. hold elections in Punjab by the 22nd Febru- ary 1992. He has fulfilled that assurance. Lastly, I would like to say that this Gov- We should appreciate the Government for ernment has no right to continue in power. I this. rwill explain lateron, when Iwill discuss again express my strong opposition to the threadbare, why should we appreciate it. Presidential Address. The country had lost the democratic [English] process in Punjab, in Kashmir and in Assam. Even that democratic process has been OR. KARTIKESWAR PATRA restored in places like Punjab. So you have (8alasore): Hon. Deputy Speaker Sir, I am to appreciate the Government's stand and grateful to you for calling me to take part in Government's activity. . the discussions. I want to congratulate all the Members who have participated earlier The third thing is this. The whole coun- and those Members who are present in this try was burning on the issue of Ram Jan- House. ambhoomi. That is not there in the country now and that is why we should appreciate. It is a sorry state of affairs that all the Members of the Opposition who have spo- Another problem is about the settle- ken 1.1 this House on the Motion have only ment of the burning issue of the Mandal criticized the Government's stand in the Commission recommendations. The whole President's Address. The President's Ad- country was burning at that time. So many dress to the joint sitting of the Parliament is students have lost their lives. The parents according 0 article 8 7 (1) of the Constitution. have lost their valuable sons and daughters. So it is a constrtutional obligation for the That problem has been solved by this Gov- President. Du! we should not criticize the ernrnsnt now. (Interruptions) hon. President of the country. The Government of Shri P.V. Nara- The hon. Members who are taking part simha Rao took bold steps on the issue of in the discussions should first appreciate the Pakistan. Pakistan wanted to enter into our Government's stand because the Govern- border and to create trouble in our country. ment has presented a full-fledged budget in (Interruptions) this House. Before that, the Janata Govern- ment and the National Front Government MR. DEPU1Y SPEAKER: No Cross- could not present a full-fledged budget in this talks, please. House. So they should appreciate the stand of the Government. (Interruptions)

Secondly, this Government has brought Dr. KARTIKESWAR PATRA: Bold steps back the pledged gold to the Government's have been taken by our Prime Minister to treasury of this country. So you should curb the Pakistan's activity. So, we should appreciate the Government's stand. 480 appreciate this Government. On that day, quintals 01 gold have been pledged by the everybody In this country expected that there 455 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 456

[Sh. Kartikeswar Pat raj confidence on them, they betrayed the people. Now they are telling that they are would be war .. But Pakistan had been totally very much for the people. These are only terrorised and the war had been stopped. crocodile tears. You know that in 1977, the We should appreciate this Government for country witnessed two Governments. At this also. that time, you know there was a gold deal. The entire gold from our treasury had been One hon. Member of this House, Shri sold openly. The facts are known. Every- Somnath Chatterjee-I may be excused for body will admit it. In 1989 and up to the naming him here- has said in his speech that period when the National Front Government the President of this country was made to was there, what had happened is very well indulge in panel platitudes and sterile homi- known to the people of this country. What lies without any-indication of any independ- . was the situation of the country when hon- ence and pro-people thinking or of any basic ourable Shri P.V. Narasimha Rao formed policy formulated in the whole Address. I the Government in this country? Every- would request the hon. Members here to where there was terrorism whether it was recollect first as to what was the condition of Punjab, or Tamil Nadu, or Assam or Ka- this country when we have come heretotake shmir. Everywhere the internal situation oath in this House. At that time, I heard that was bad. The economic crisis was there. 480 quintals of gold was pledged. But, we The country was facing a serious trouble. At have to fulfil the hopes and aspirations of the that. time, we could not believe that our people who have voted in our favour. In that honourable Prime Minister could save the condition, how would our Prime Minister do nation. Our Prime Minister gave an assur- that forthe country? How our country can be ance and fultilled it. We could not believe it saved from this economic crisis? At that when he took over. time, the World Bank denied to give loan to our country; International Monetary Fund Whenever the Opposition leader and denied to give loan to our country. Nobody other leaders in this House thought that this came forward to rescue our country. At that was a minority Government. our hon. Prime "...--tfme, Shri P.V. Narasimha Rao and our Fi- Minister categorically stated that this may be nance Minster, Shri Manmohan Singh to the a minority Government or this may be a rescue of our country. They categorically Government with somewhat little less than stated that they would save the country from the majority, it does not matter. I want to this crisis. Now all the people cl this country raise in this House the burning issues and are very well realising that actually Mr. our issue-based solutions will be there. If Manmohan Singh has saved the country anybody would not support the issue-based from this economic crisis. One thing is this. solutions, then they would face the conse- quences. Today, we have come prepared in [ Trans/atioll] this House to face the challenge whether our Government may stay or may not stay. Nobody can topple this Government. Those The trees like Palm and dat palm are who are giving threats, they WOUldbe threat- tall but they do not provide shade to the ened like this. They should not think that possibly. people are grass and the leaders are the breeze and in whichever direction the breeze [English] will blow, the grass will bend accordingly. This is just the reverse. The leaders are the Everybody is speaking very high. grass and the people are the breeze. And in Whenever people had their confidence in whichever direction the breeze will blow, the them. when the people had conferred their grass will bend accordingly. 457 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19, 1913 (SAKA) President's Address 458

Mr Paswan has told so many sermons various non-monetary Input activities which like democracy, secularism and socialism can improve the image of the Government The report of the Administrative Reforms The other thing is democracy We are Committee may be relooked in the present praising democracy and honourable late situation Secondly, there is delay in taking Indiraji and late Rajiv Gandhi sacrificed their decisions Simple matters are to move to lives for the sake of democracy Another four to five officers for a decision Red point is that in 1977, even when all the tapism is there and we should curb it We advisors and Cabinet colleagues of Indiraji should see that decisions are taken as eai ly including semoi colleagues advised her not as possible Thirdly officers are the highest to have elections as the atmosphere was not level should be responsible for any public congenial for elections in the country, she grievances rather than diverting them to was determined to have elections and lost their subordinates In some way or the other, There was a discussion in this House about corruption has trept everywhere Vanous democracy {Interruptions) Honourable centrally sponsored scheme 0 aie not com Somnath Chatterjee stated pleted in time The sponsoring department must oversee that for each project mile This NarasimhaRao Government, stones are fixed and it should be completed now headed by a sobber-gentle- within a time-bound programme No escala man turned arrogant within a span tion of estimated cost should be granted to of a few months will go down in the any contractor or to anybody history as the man has mortagaged our country to the imperialists ft Another very vital thing is population nancial marauders for tainted lucre’ growth This is a burnnmg problem of out country Without controlling the population This was the statement made by growth we cannot think of any solution to any him {Interruptions) Honourable Mem­ of the problem facing our country bers from the Opposition are criticising us and are thinking that only they are con­ Illiteracy si still another problem which is cerned for the country and the poorer mass prevailing n our country So, action should of this country But I would like to say that the De taken in this regard also Congress Party is thinking for the people and the poorer section of the people of this coun­ MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Thank you try and are acting accordingly During the Dr Kartikeswar It is very kind cf you time of Indiraji, there was nationalisation of big factories, abolition of privy purse and the DR KARTIKCSWAR PATRA With 20 Point programme was also introduced these words I conclude, Sir Everything that was started during her time was going on during the time of Rajiv Gandhi SHRI K P SINGH DEO Sir, I fail to also and during Mr P V Narasimha Rao s understand why our friends from Janata Dal time we are seeing that the steps are being are opposing him when their own Chief implemented Now, 1 want to make a few Minister, Shri B iju Patnaik is following our important suggestions policies

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER Mr Kartikes SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore) wa Patra t me allotted for you is already Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, I had to be away ovoi Please conclude from Delhi last Wednesday when, I was told that, my name was listed in the speaker list DR KARTIKESWAR PATRA Kindly So, I am grateful to the Chair for having give me some more time, Sir There are allowed me a few minutes today towards the 459 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9, 1992 President's Addiess 460

[Sh. Indrajit Gupta] th» nmin 'ond of these reforms is going to fall. Is't to tail on those who are minting conclusion ot this discussion. It is not murh black mon«y; who are smuggling monoy out time now, so, I shall try to be brief of the country and keeping secret accounts m foreign banks or is it going to fall on the The first point I wish to make, Sir, is that shoulders of black-marketeers, profiteers or a great amount of propaganda is going on to those who are habitually tax evaders? We the effect that the Opposition, or at ieast the do not find anything here which suggests for non-BJP Opposition, does not wish to have a minute that the burden of those reforms to anything to do with the new situation which be put squarely on these people. Our whole has arisen not only in the world but in the objection to the particular pattern of reforms country also and, therefore the need for advocated by the Finance Minister is that the structural reforms which is what our es­ burden is being put on those sections who teemed Finance Minister claims that he is are the least able to bear :t and that ,s 3oing carrying out We are supposed to be moving to lead to disastrous consequents in a blind way to old ideas, old out-dated policies and out-dated concepts of economic First of all, yet nobody can 't ms y> *h development and, therefore, wo are not able any confidence that how this op.-*n to appreciate the urgent need for reforms to policy which is being adopted now "''on bo carriod out I wish to make it clear at the door policy for foreign investment, :c, n- .!*i very outset that we are not at ail opposed to national corporations, for imports i j qo -g reforms, In fact there are many things in our to meet the urgent requirements cf th" coun economy which require reforms; there are tty We are talking of balance of paynnnto many things which have been holding the deficit. Everybody is worried about it We economy back. We can discuss that at some say that export must be increased .-nJ im­ other time but our mam concern is that these port should bo cut down as far an possible reforms that are proposed to be carried out, otherwise we will never be able qot n - f at whose cost they are to be carried out. this balance of payments crisir i ennn )i understand, Sir, for the life of mr\ 'iOv, by 14.42 hrs. drastically cutting down all the custom tariffs on import you expect to got over th is balanco [MR. SPEAKER in the Chaii] of payment crisis All along the lino import tariff has been cut down whoreas it i., admit We are living in a society where the ted by the Government that the export per differentials between the incomes and living formance has not been up to eApoctnt'on standards of people are vast; where there is So. by increasing the volume and cost of massive unemployment which has already import and not being able to step up export plagued the economy. There are people, proportionately, how do you expect to qct there are sections in this country who can over the balance of payments crisis? Yon certainly bear the cost. I remember last year may please explain this, There are bir when the first all parties meeting was called economic pandits on that side, Shri Sontosh by the hon. Prime Minister the Finance Mohan Dev is one of them. He should Minister had said in that meeting that every­ explain how the increase in the volume of body will be asked to tighten their belts. I import without correspondingly increasing asked him whose belts you want to tighten. exports is going to get you out of this balance Of course, there are people whose belts can of payments crisis. I think just the opposite certainly be fighteried and yet there are will happen. The crisis will get considerably crores of people who do not have bett at all. worsen. So, how will you tighten their belt? We want to know on whose shoulders on whose back, What will be the impact on many of our 461 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 462 domestic industri es? it is true that they have announced that new recruitment of the rail­ lived for many years in a protected sheltered ways. which takes place every year - the market and you want them to get rid of it and biggest public sector employer, as you know to face competition. But what will be the employing 7 lakh of people every year • is impact when you will allow all these foreign going to be cut by 30,000 to 35,000 people. owned industry and multi-national corpora­ Less number of people will be taken in. It is tions to come in without any restriction? not my saying. So, job opportunities are They have been told that they will be treated going to be drastically reduced. on exactly the same footing as Indian indus­ try. That assurance has been given to them. How many factories will close down and No export obligation will be put on them. fresh people will be thrown on to the unem­ When they put up their units and start pro­ ployment register, I do not know. ducing they are not going to be subjected to any export obligation. This is the assurance Then, Sir, there is much talk - the Prime given by the Government. How many of our Minister also frequently assures the country domestic indigenous Indian industries which that Public Distribution System is going to be have developed over the years at consider­ strengthened • about the strengthening of able amount of sacrifice and cost, will be the Public Distribution System. Many new able to stand up against this competition? outlets are going to be opened. Many more What will happen to our small scale indus­ commodities are going to be added to the list try? which is obtainable. We saw here you cer­ tainly made inauspiciable start I must say. The small scale sector in our country You began by raising the prices of three has become a very big sector giving employ­ commodities which are generally supplied ment to a very large number of people. through the Public Distribution System on Technologically they may not be very ad­ the ground that you have to pay more for vanced. Many of them have got backward procurement prices to the farmers. There­ technology but they are providing employ­ fore, the price of rice was raised; the price of ment to lakhs and lakhs of people and their wheat was raised and the price of sugar was export performance by the way is very good. raised. Sir, you and I do not go to the Public If you examine the figures of export perform­ Distribution System. Let us be frank about it. ance of the small scale sector, it is not worse We are welt off enough to buy from the open than, in fact it is better than even the large market. For whom is th>s System devised? scale organised sector But what is going to It is to help the poorer and weaker sections happen to that small scale sector now when of the people. If they have to buy rice from you allow an avalanche of foreign firms to the Fair Price Shops at Rs. 4 or Rs. 5 a kilo, come into this country without any restriction what is the use of this system 9 For whom is of any kind? You say that you cannot put any it meant? Sharply these prices have been restriction because in that case they would put up because subsidies have to be cut not come. So I am concerned with the down according to the prescription of the impact on our own industry, our workers and IMF. They will not allow subsidies on this our people. I am sure the Government scale. Even subsidies which are meant to should be also concerned about this. The help the poorer sections, they will not allow. Congress Party should be concerned about I can understand about the other subsidies it. but H food subsidy which is meant entirely to help the weaker sections and if that is to be Job opportunities are going to be cut down because of the dictates of money­ dimnished, no doubt because of the exit lender friends outside then what is going to policy. This morning there is a news item, happen to those poor people? Anyway, I do from the Railway Board sources it has been not want to dilate on this. These are some of 463 Motion of Thanks on MARCf I 9,1992 Prvsktonfs Addr— s 464

[Sh. Indrajit Gupta] fight together in order to defend the integrity and secularism of the country? the p oints which we want to know. At whose cost these reforms are to be carried on? Finally, Sir, something is being said by Nobody is against the reforms. But the that side and also by my friend Shri Advani Finance Minister, who is a very able Econo­ on this side publicly about the National Front mist - everybody says that this time he has and the Left Front having decided to ^co­ presented a Economist’s Budget not a Poli­ operate" with the BJP. Even Shri Advani is tician’s Budget - must tell us what is going to quoted, rightly or wrongly, in today's paper be thefatu of these sectors and these people as saying that the National Front and the Left on whom the whole burden of his reform is Front, have decided to co-operate with the going to fall? The burden is not going to fail BJP on this question of attitude to this Ad­ on the big companies and on those people dress and the Amendments which have been who are minting blackmoney or tax evading tabled. I wish to make it clear that the only or smuggling things out of the country. commonality which may exist between us and the BJP is the fact that a few of the Amendments which they have tabled sepa­ The other one rtnajor point which I wish rately and we have tabled separately may to make about the President's Address is relate to the same issue. It may be price rise, this. I was really surprised to find that it really it may be unemployment, it may be some­ contains no sense of urgency, no serious thing else, the language is different and the attitude about the threat to the country’s amendments are different. Because the unity and integrity coming from the commu­ issue happens to be the same, in some nal and divisive forces which have played cases,s that is not an instance of coopera­ havoc with this country's unity and integrity. tion al all; it is a coincidence, nothing else. They are still active. They are still I suppose growing under the influence in many parts of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the country. They have provoked distur­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS {SHRI bances and riots in many places and are RAJESH PILOT): It is not issue based. As preaching openly the slogan of a Hindu you have started cooperating with the U.P. Rahstra which goes fundamentally against Government, it is not issue based. the secular foundations of our Constitution. You cannot take an oath on the Constitution SHRI RAM NAIK(Bombay North): There of India and go out and preach the desirabil­ is a further instance of cooperation in yester­ ity of having a Hindu Rashtra. How can you day’s Bombay Municipal Corporation May- do it? You are opposed to Khalistan. Are oral election. You have supported, youiself you not? It is because you are not prepared, and J.D. have supported the Congress rightly so. to countenance the advocacy of a candidate. Are you aware of it? separate State outside India which is based on some kind of theocratic basis. Here, the SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: You tell them. whole of India is sought to be turned into a The alternative was to have another candi­ Hindu Rashtra. What happens to the non- date. Hindus? Where will the Muslims go; where wilt the Christians go; where will the Sikhs SHRI RAM NAIK: I am asking you. I am go; where will the Buddhists go; and where asking Mr. V.P. Singh also. You could not will the Jains go? Are they not Indians? Are have your own candidate, though you have they not to live in this country? I do not find your representative there. Reply to that. any sense of urgency at all in the Rashtra- pati’s Address on this question, on this prob­ SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: So. you are lem. How, in the coming years, we have to eager for our cooperation I 465 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 466

SHRI RAM NAIK: We are eager; we am. gone for ever. I hope the Congressmen want floor coordination. also agree with them.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: The point I Therefore we have to go now for a new am making is something else. ( Interruptions) policy, a new philosophy which adds up to a de-regulation. [Translation] SHRI P.M. SAYEED (Lakshadweep)- SHRI SHARAO PAWAR: Why are you You are telling them something else, (inter­ doing so, take there coperatbn r Bombay. ruptions)

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: When you SHARAD PAWAR): The communications in were speaking, Shri Sayeed, I did not inter­ Bombay are more sensible, so they sup­ rupt you, though you spoke for about three ported us. hours. This de-regulation, de-control, priva­ tisation free market, market economy, all [English] these things add up to someghing.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: But I am talk­ SHRI INDER JIT (Darjeeling): Are you ing on a different point. My point is that all the telling us what is happening in the Soviet basic principles, the underlying principles, Union? all the principles in the so-called economic policy o* the Government, the New Industrial SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA. Yes. I am Policy, new financial policy, the basic prin­ coming to the Soviet Union I am not talking ciples are being supported by the BJP about Darjeeling and Nepal. I am talking leaders. They have said it openly, they have about things which are happening in Russia. said it here, they have said it in the U.S.A.. Please stick to your Subhash Ghe 3ing. You and they have said in so many statements. speak on your subject. And at the same time they have tabled the amendments condemning the price rise, expressing concern at unemployment, loss What I am saying is you please toll me of jobs and all that. the name of a single country, whether it was a capitalist country, which is already practis­ ing maiket economy, or as he is very eager My humble opinion is, if my dear friend, to know, the former socialist oountries which Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee may not be an­ are trying to make a transition to what they noyed, you cannot artificially separate the think is the market economy. Show me a policies from the outcome of those policies. single country which is not overtaken by this The policies add up to one thing and that is fate of inflation, high prices and unemploy­ called a market economy. That is the great ment. thing we are advocating now. We must go for a market eoonomy, even a global market economy India must join. That means a You may not like many things in that old market economy with all types of de-control system in the Socialist countries. But it is and de-regulatlon, etc. Shri Advani com­ only after that it has been dismantled, it has plained against us that we are dosing our collapsed they are saying that “we are going eyes and sticking to Jawaharlal Nehru’s out­ to have market economy, the people there moded, out-dated pattern which was de­ are now seeing that their jobs are not safe, vised In the name of pseudo-socialism. "You there is unemployment, there are high prices want to go back to that”, he said. That is dead and there is inflation. 467 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 468

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (DR. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Swadeshi... (In­ MANMOHAN SINGH): I think if you read the terruptions) statements and the documents of the Soviet Union, submitted to the United Nations, you SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Notswedeshi will find that all those statistics that the erst­ only. Therefore, I would suggest to the BJP while Soviet Union was puting out were all not to think that we are cooperating with wrong. them. There are some similar issues, on which there are similar amendments. Our 15.00 hrs. whole understanding behind that is some­ thing entirely different from their understand­ SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: AH right. I am ing. And if they chose to satisfy people not talking about statistics...(Interruptbns) I outside by saying that we had amendments am talking about the general features of the on price rise and unemployment, well they society and the economy. They were all can try. But they have to explain how they wrong. But, I think, you visited the Soviet will cure these things by sticking to this several times like many of us did. And tell market economy policy. It is not possible at me, did you find there inflation; did you find all, as you will see. unemployment; and did you find beggars on the road. ...(Interruptbns) My contention is While our Finance Minister is still there that no market economy country can escape in office, I hope, we will see - he says: "We the characteristics of high prices and unem­ wilt see”. I say: “He will see". - What happens ployment. This is a concomitant part of the in another two or three years, we will see. - market economy. You may say that for three Of course, some people will gain. I do not years, we have to suffer. That is your doubt it. A small section of our people are formula. Your formula is: 'suffer for three going to benefit very much from your policy. years and after that things will get all right'. I have no doubt about it. NRIs will be happy. They call it ‘pie in the sky' A big corporate sector will be very happy. Other people who have got something to spend in the urban areas, in the cities, who Anyway I would suggest to my BJP have developed consumer tastes now for friends that it is absurd to extend support to videos, refrigerators, washing machine and the basic policies of the so-called liberalisa­ such things and can afford to buy them, they tion which characterise the Government’s will be very happy. Say, maybe I do not know policy and at the same time go on criticising one hundred crores of people - 1mean 100 unemployment and price rise, on which you million people-may benefit. That is not a have tabled the amendments. I think that small figure,I admit. It is bigger than the either they are confused or these amend­ population of many countries. But what ments are only meant to be a populist ges­ happens to the remaining 700 million people? ture towards the people, among whom they One hundred million people will get some work because they are feeling the pinch. immediate benefits and gains. And 700 They are feeling the pinch everday of price million people will be thrown into the ditch... rise and unemployment. And therefore,, the (Interruptbns ) Sorry, I am mixing up millions BJP leaders, who are very clever people - 1 and crores. That is why i can never be a have great respect for their cleverness - Finance Minister. cannot ignore those things. They have to put those in. But they should realise that those Therefore, I am saying that our whole are inevitable fall-out of the basic policy of spirit behind our amendments and the gen­ market economy. On that, they are support­ eral attitude towards these economic re­ ing. And you are happy because they are forms is not that the reforms are bad but the supporting it... ( Interruptbns ) reforms are misdirected; in that they are 469 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 470 putting the loa d in the wrong placo they are giving me the chance to speak on the Motion putting the burden on the people who are of Thanks to the President for addressing the least capable of bearing and even destroy a parliament big section of our own indigenous Indian industry Why should they be done’ And we I must say that as far as the President's do not want our industries to be replaced by Address is concerned, it is an important foreign industries just because those people policy statement of the Government, of the are ms sting on coming here country, and, therefore, it has to be given complete and careful consideration There Therefore, Sir, I do not wish to take up cannot be any doubt that as far as the more time of the House It is for this reason Government of Shri P V Narasimha Rao is that we are opposed to registering in our vote concerned it has brought stability to the of thanks on this Address Theic is nothing county it has eased the tension in the coun­ to thank about at all And I am sorry that try and has solved many of the complex nothing is said - once again I repeat - about problems Elections havo been held in defending the unity and integnty of thecoun Punjab That is well and good I am sure, try which is under severe threat now It is not elections will be held very soon in Kashmir only from Punjab, Punjab may improve now also and for this purpose the Government it is not only from Kashmir but it is also from would initiate discussion with those people internal forces, whicn are preaching danger who matter and will create a situation whore oustheones and doctrines which will divide fair and free elections would be possible and our people completely people of Kashmir will be given a right to decide about their future under the Constitu­ Therefore, with thpse words I conclude tion of this country and we will, of course press for our amend ments which relate to these various issues But one thing I must say that with regard to some of the matters, the policy formulated MR SPEAKER I have to bring to the by the Government and acted upon is not to notice of all the hon Members in the House the satisfaction of a large section of the that the time allotted for discussion was country I must say this because the joolicy twelve hours and we have exhausted the of the Government has created a sort of time was allotted The time which was given apprehension and a doubt among the people to all the parties also is consumed by those of the country Certain policies have also parties been the cause for pain and agony in the country However, I have a few names with me and we would like to hear their views also I must say here that the Motion is going There are leaders of the parties Janata Dal, round the country to feel that we are bowing Bhartiya Janata party, Muslim League and to the pressures of USA and actually of the others also I am giving them the time I Bush Administration On one side we are would just request you to please be brief and bowing to the pressures of the foreign pow­ cooperative so that we can finish the debate ers like USA or the Bush Administration and on time as is scheduled, and need not go inside our country, we are bowing to the beyond four o'clock for the reply and other pressures of fascist, communal organisa­ things also tions like B JP and the like These are the two pressures that are working on our Govern­ Now, Shri Sulaiman Sait ment today On one side there is the pres­ sure of BJP and on the other side the pres­ SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT sure of USA These are the things which are (Ponnam) Mr Speaker, Sir, I am grateful for creating lot of apprehensions in our mind 471 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9.1992 President's Address 472

[Sh. Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait] tween Arab Stales and Israel to find a just and equitable settlement There is no doubt that when the Govern­ to the Arab Israeli dispute, ment took over at the Centre, the economic situation was very very grave. There was 44. Given the changed political financial crisis in the country with desperate realities in the region, India has foreign exchange situation* One can under­ decided to establish diplomatic stand that to tide over such a situation, loan relations with Israel. We look for­ has to be sought from other powers, and if ward diplomatic establishing a bans are given, there will be conditionalities comprehensive and multifaceted for the loans. But one thing about which we relationship with Israel” have to be very careful is that these condi­ tions should not lead to surveillance. That is Sir, the President mentioned about the the only thing about which we are worried. friendship between Arab and India. This has When we agree to the conditions, there been the policy adopted by Pandit Jawahar- should not be any compromises on our na­ lal Nehru and Shrimati Indira Gandhi who tional interest and our national honour. This acknowledged the aggressive role of Zionist is what the Finance Minister should be very Israel and the consequent atrocities and careful about. brutalities. The President says that the dip­ lomatic relations have been established I very much feel that the Finance Min­ under changed circumstance. ister must have come up earlierto the House before taking drastic steps in some fields. In this connection I submit that the circumstances have not been changed at all. I must also say that the interests of the The aggression continues. Tho Arab land is down-trodden of the weaker sections, of under occupation of Israel. All the negotia­ those living below poverty line, must be tions at Madrid, Moscow and Washington given particular consideration. Here what have not yielded any result. The same you have to fight is the unemployment and situation is prevailing. This decision of our price rise. On that particular matter much Government to give diplomatic relations to less has been said in the President’s Ad­ Israel is hasty and very inopportune. dress. Price rise and unemployment are breaking the back of the common m an today I may mention that the Palestines are in this country. Together with this, there is fighting and are dying for their home land. the growing feeling of indignation and agony The aggression of Israel is continuing. I, that the Central Government is bowing to the therefore, reiterate that the recognitbn of pressures of the USA in foreign policy. Israel at this is quite inopportune. It is resented by the people of this country par­ Sir, the President said in paras 43 and ticularly by the muslim minorities of this 44 on pages 16 and 17 of his Address and I country. quote: Sir, 1 now come to the Ekta Yatra. ( Inter­ “43. We have over the years ex­ ruptions) The Government of this country tended consistent and unequivocal have patronised the fascist ^-4 communal support to the Arab cause particu­ policy and helped Or. Murli Manohar. larly to the Palestenian struggle for their just and inalienable rights. Joshi in his Ekta Yatra. Everybody India has welcomed the reactiva­ knows how Shri Joshi readied Srinagar and tion of the West Asian peace proc­ unfurled the flag. You know that Army was ess and the ongoing dialogue be­ depbyed and there eas curfew in Srinagar 473 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Addrsas 474

city for throe days . Than were machine the last 16 days, continuously a wall of 20 ft guns put at Lai Chowk. Rockets have been high and300yards long Is being constructed. k launched. I submit to this august House that The Bajrang Dal and BSP call it a part of the ail this is encouragement to fascism and this temple. But the Government does not take will weaken the secularism of this country. any action though they have go* powers The Government is responsible for all this. under Article 358 of the Constitution to take over the entire area. So, this is the situation. Sir, i now come to the Ram Janma Sir we do not want the country to be harmed. Bhoomi-Babri Masjtd dispute. The Presi­ We want to live in peace and dignity. But dent in his Address, in para 6 on page 2. has here it is a glaring example of BJP’s inten­ said and I quote: tions when they are going ahead with the construction of the Wall. And again, there are “A dose watch is being kept on the injunctions of the Allahabad High Court to situation arising out of the Ram maintain the status quo of the moeque and Janma Bhoomi-Babri MasjkJ dis­ the surrounding area. pute. Government has enacted legislation to maintain the statues One more thing I want to mentiort here quo of the other places of worship is that on page 9, para 24, the president as they extended on 15th August, says: 1947". "In my last Address I had men­ it is well and good that this legislation tioned that steps would be initiated has been passed. Though this was defec­ for the effective implementation of tive, we supported it and passed the legisla­ the 15-Point Programme tpr the tion. welfare of minorities which seeks to ensure that minorities are pro­ I mention that the B.J.P. is in govern­ tected and that they are not dis­ ment in that State. There is an injunction criminated against in the matter of order by the High bourt to maintain status employment of putilfc servbes and quo of the Babri Masjld and the surrounding advantages from development areas. In spite of all this, there was an schemes. To realise this objective ordinance issued by the Government of Uttar the 15-Point Programme Is now Pradesh on 9th October, 1991 to acquire the being recast to make if more effec­ iand surrounding the mosque. On 21st tive". October the digging work has started. On 30th October there was an attack on the But let me say that the 15-Point Pro­ TOsque. I submit that all this is against the gramme has not been implemented at all. ourt order. There is no implementation, no feed back or anything of that sort. So. the directives Recently the National Integration Coun­ contained in the 15-Point Programme should cil meeting hold on this subject be made mandatory. But nothing is done In > this regard. There is no protection and there In the Meeting of the National Integra­ Is discrimination. Therefore, the only solu­ tion Counoil Shri Kalyan Singh promised that tion is reservations on the basis of popula­ he would protect the mosque, but immedi­ tion. I would demand that the Government ately afterwards he declared that court or no should rectify the policy with regard to the court, law or no law, the mosque will be matters raised by me and give satisfaction to demolished and' the temple will be con­ the minorities by which justioe can be done. structed. TheGovemmentshouldtakesome action on this. But what happened today? In One more thing is that I must say that my 475 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President’s Address 476

[Sh. Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait] 10th and 1 1 th. The concerned Minister is sitting here; he should respond to this. pa rty hero cannot associate with BJP be- causo BJP stands for economic annihilation THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE and liquidation of the cultural identity. We, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI the Muslims, desire to live in peace but RAJESH PILOT): Sir I will find out the details together with dignity and full religious free­ as to when it is despatched and I will submit dom. Here are our Leftist friends who con­ a report. sider us as political untouchables. So long as such mentality continues, no co-opera­ MR. SPEAKER: Yas; Shri Mohan tion between the Muslim League and the Rawale. Leftists can be considered. You know what happenedin 1989. Tragic events took place [Translation] 27 months ago because of the friendship and partnership between the BJP. the Janata SHRI MOHAN RAWALE (Bombay- Dal and the Leftists. This was highly unfor­ South Central): Mr. Speaker sir, I was ex­ tunate for the country. I never want such a tremely disappointed to hear the President’s havoc to be repeated again. We desire to Address. The Hon. President did not ex­ have solidarity, integrity and communal press his own views. Rather he was com­ harmony to be protected. We cannot throw pelled to convey what the ruling party wanted out the Government at this critical juncture of him to covey. In Bombay, mills liave been history and throw the country into chaos. closed for the last ten years as a result of Therefore. I support this motion which about 70 thousand workers have been rendered unemployed and the Government (interruptions) has done nothing for their rehabilitation. Thare has been reference to this aspect in SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO the President's Address. Neither any effort VADDE( Vijayawada): Mr. Speaker Sir. we has been made for starting mills cn coopera­ draw your Kind attention to a deliberate tive basis nor any financial assistance has mischief that has taken place. A deliberate been given nor any financial provision has attempt has been made to mislead the been made for the purpose. Members of the Telugu Desam Parliamen­ tary Party. Atelegram was issued stating the Prices are risir.-j fast. Though the Hon. whip that they should be present here on 9th President has expressed his concern over and 10th, but the Members have received this trend but has not given any suggestion the telegram at their places stating that they to check them? Where is the Government should be present on 10th and 11th. A that had promised to bring down the prices deliberate attempt has been made by this within 100 days? Government. An inquiry must be conducted. Is it not succumbing our rights to be present I would like to submit that the Director of in this House? Is it correct? Hunger Project had come to India from U.S.A. He had sated that about 11 thousand people (Interruptions) die due to starvation in India. Our population is so high that 59,000 persons take birth everyday and 22000 die. Our population is SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN (Rosera): increasing continuously. But the Govern­ Sir, today voting is going to take place and ment has so far done nothing in this regard. the Members are to be present here on 9th Heavy expenditure is being incurred on and 10th, but they , ave received telegram various Projects but the Government has not stating that they should be present here on realised the necessity to implement the 477 Motion of Thank* on PHALGUNA19. W Z (S A K A ) P w d tn t's Addrmis 478

Family Planning Programme strictly. W e all had because two independent .nations India are Indians. Hindus and Muslims aro broth­ had given about Rs. 300 crores to Pakistan, ers. But laws for these two communities are But India has so far. taken no measures to separata why Is it so? N we go to Indonesia recover that money from Pakistan. or Matayasia, we find that the family planning programme is equally important there for ail. The Non-plan expenditure has increased But here it is opposed in tha name of religion. by 5 times. Recently the Chief Ministers of ad At the same time, if the country ip called a States had coma to attend the meeting of Hmdu nation, their feelings are hurt and thus National Development Council and they had they oppose it. The ruling party too, bows to made several propoeals butthey were raked this opposition. Whan the Foreign Minister to out down their expenditure. But in Har­ of Pakistan. Begun Rizak came to Goa to yana thare are 90 MLAs out of which 35 take part io the SAARC conference, she legislators have been made ministers. The stated that 'Shariyat' is not the last word of number of boards in such a small stats is God but we oppose ft in the name of religion. more than 45. Why the Government does This has also not been referred to in the not pay attention to this? Why the Govern- Address. 'ment ask others to* curtail their expenditure? In just one year, about one crore people The surplus gas found in Bombay is have been rendered unemployed and In this burnt. If that gas is burnt for one hour It manner unemployment is on continuous causes loss of about Rs. 31 lakhs. Loss of increase. When a latter is written to the about Rs. 36 crores has already been suf­ Govemrnsr* » § r»<3sivea only acknowledge­ fered. Bui the Government has, so far, not ment but not the reply. provided any facility for utilising tha surplus gas in Bombay or Maharashtra Yasterdiay it In Jammu and Kashmir about Rs. 70,000 appeared in the Times of Indiathat there was crores have been spent so far but the people no hospital in Bombay where the AIDS pa­ have not been benefited at all. Today, If we tient may gat treatment. So far as I know, caU the country as a Hindunation they will be there is no hospital in Bombay to prevent or displeased. But I am unable to understand cure AIDS. Nobody is willing to treat such why their feelings are not hurt whan Hindus patients there. are forced to run away from Kashmir and their belongings and property Is seized. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we do not take even Compensation should be provided to such Malaria seriously. affected people.

Pakistan has been indulging in mali­ Mr. Speaker, Sir, I, on behalf of Shiv cious propaganda against India through Sena party oppoee the President’s Address. Asian Satellite why the Government does I am thankful to you for giving me the oppor­ not take ooncrste measures to counter this tunity to apeak. propaganda? AH the nuclear stations in Pakistan ahould be destroyed. Action should SHRI YASH PAL (Jalandhar): Mr. betaken to retrieve the Kashmir land, occu­ Speaker, Sir, through you, I pay my respect pied by Pakistan. That country also opens to the House and would f te to make oertain fire time and again on our army posts in bitter as well aa sweet submissions. The Jammu Kashmir. Strict action should be Motion of Thanks on the President’s Ad­ taken to teach tham a iessoa dress is usually a statutory formaMy. B orin my opinion the PreekJenfs Address given For the last 22 years tha amount of this time is nefeher formal nor general. foreign debt has increased to about Rs. 35 Everybody has his own point of view he may thousand crores. Whan India and Pakistan oppose K or support it,, but the entire country 478 Motto* oTT*#** on MAftCH9,1ffte* PfakhrtfrAddmss 480

{8h. YwhPrit wtth'6daYatradai(ned it as tftairbig achieve­ ment. Anyhow, foe Government managed has welcomed*. BecautdWtafftthe'pfSaeflt toootaeottfrdm the tftemmna successfully. Government c « m irttbjpowe r the oowftry K theflag hid not bean urfuried there. It wai passing through serious crisis - - eco­ woufdtavs been alleged that people cannot nomic crisis «s wet aspofcioal crisis - and unfurl the thsirfiag in their own country. The CnIIS Of fnWVIWHnQ-VMr wlOtffoOT. flagWas uitfurfed and acatastrophs avoided, f congratulate the Government for this. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we «tfare proud trftha achievemenlsof the Q6VBmm#m <#1ndla in A reference has been made here about such a short span Of time. ItoeHev*that even Punjab. It'is but natural. The Punjab issue thM o n w W h* W o outwardivw l T hrinftSe itIv ■wwMririi SMMdl W IS ilw is very important for the entire country. We tha achievements mada by tha Govammarrt cant achieve our fixed target unless we of India. That is why all tha political partias ponder over it seriously. What are the rea­ hava bean extending thair support to the sons behind it. Although so many years Govammarrt in on* way or tha othar. I have passed, Governments as well as Prime consider it to ba a major succass of tha Hon. Ministers have changed, lot of efforts have Prime Minister. Ha has changed the prevail­ been made yet Punjab problem has not been ing atmosphere of confrontation to that of solved. Some people complain that no effort mutual understanding which was notan easy was made to solve the problem. I have a task. Most of the time we have been foflow- ■ complaint that Punjab has been made a ifln tha poiicy of confrontation; we never political laboratory. The suggestion given by mada any efforts to develop mutual under­ anybody has been put to experiment in that standing. However, the present Congress laboratory. That experiment continued to Government created a new atmosphere, prove harmful instead of advantageous. adopted a new strategy to make efforts for There was one more thing. Some people changing tha atmosphere; for which t thank knowingly made the problem more compli­ them and congratulate tfeam. cated. They did nSt try tc roc: maraoy in order to ameliorate the situation. They But besides alt this, there ware certain must advised to create chaos. things which created difficulty. Ekta Yatra was referred to hare in the House. I do not A reference was made here Just now oppose the feeling behmdtt. nothing can be that the criminals of 1984 riots in Delhi were better than Ekt* Yatra. But the atmosphere not brought to book. Riotstakeplaceinother and tha way in which this Ekta Yatra was parts of the country also. There cant be two started created a problem. V tha Govern­ opinions that the criminals should be pun­ ment stops this Ekta Yaftnathe persons in­ ished. If the Government delays in punish­ volved in it would object saying why the ing the criminals, it would be responsible for Government does not allow them make ef­ that. But some facts should be found out forts to bring unity. Ontheotherhandifthase about ft. Why did these riots errupt? You will persons were allowed to go tor Kashmir, say that people got angry or these was a there was every apprehension of disaster feeling off revehfte arr*6ng the people, or being caused had in view of thethretttsgiven pfeftple adopted a wrong path. “ Th e y were by the terrorists. Af such a criictaMtme the misled and provoked. Whoever (tm^ht be, Government adopted a policy for WMctf h tile Hots occurred when' Sftrlmlsfi Indira deserves to be fcpptodatad and congrift/- Gandhi was assfc<afaid. ib to k t i one iated. Seta Yatre reaehedSrlnagar, tfto ftt^j morepoint relevant tojthe apa^ination of was also tmfurlsd. k Hflwiv sr, on the one hand---— —j .thfrQovernma^1MI ■ - — V..— —> gWmftrf--J A L sbc- 6 rteof o m wmM on h i® Owifr pflwons bssocm oto thfcm 'trtrsify^ vlcW to t&ilirti tUre arid 481 Mbflbo c flb a r ik a on PHAD3URA Pmaidmnfs Addrvss 482 the remaining two culprits wore awarded Thus, unless we uproot fanaticism from death sentence. When death sentence was there, we can't succeed. There is no peace awarded to both of tham, tha people who in Punjab even today, though elections were supported terrorism directly or indirectly, held there for which Government of India started demanding their release. It was also deserves congratulations. The people of said that death santanca to tham could prove Punjab have not contested elections in nor­ harmful. It is very strange. Th e people mal situation. There was such an atmos­ whom the court awards punishment are phere that people were not ready even to advocated for release and it is being said fight elections. Many people were not ready again and again about the people, who in- to have aticketfrom any political party. They duiged in riots out of anger or a feeling of feared that candidates would be murdered. revenge, that why were they not punished. Their apprehension was not baseless be* What sort of justice ft is? At the same time, * cause last time when the elections were 1 want to say one more thing. We cannot declared, about two and a half dozen candi­ ignore one thing. When riots erupted after dates were killed. The elections had to be Shrimati Indira Gandhi was assassinated, postponed again and again and the dates of no prominent persons had condemned the holding elections had to be changed again act as that could have pacified the feelings of and again. But this time, when the elections the people. At first, some 'Granthies* had were held, no candidate was murdered. Not condemned the incident. But they had with­ only this, lot of things happened on the basis drawn their statement the next day. that too of which we can say that the situation was resulted in damage. If we leave aside these bettercomparatively. The elections are over. things, the question is why the riots errupted. But the whole Punjab w still burning. The riots errupted because Shrimati Indira Gandhi was assassinated. Nowthequestion Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you are aware that is why she was assassinated. It was be­ today the situation has come to such a pass cause she had ordered Operation Blue Star there that when last rites of one dead body which hurt the feelings of some people. I are performed, two more dead bodies are request you to listen to my viewpoint well. there. Punjab is fed-up with dead bodies. Then the next question is why the Operation Peace is not there even now. Blue Star was ordered. It was needed be­ cause some people started misusing relig­ I would like that the Government should ious places. A sacrosanct place like 'Darbar pay attention to it. W e should concentrate on Saheb’ was converted into a fort. Bunkers its root cause. Only then we can succeed. were erected at many places. Not only this, The root cause of it lies in fanaticism and after killing some people, their dead bodies misuse of religious places misuse of lan­ were buried under the debris there. I don't guage, misuse of religious feelings, misuse say that Operation Blue Star was must. But of holy books and misuse of religious institu­ I want to drew your attention to the fact that tions. If we are able to check it, only then we we are trying to createchaos. Therootofthe can fight fundamentalism. Therefore, it is my entire problem is that religious places, relig­ submission to the entire House to extent full ious feelings and religious principles were cooperation to Government. With these misused for taking political mileage which words, I support the Motion of Thanks on the caused fanaticism. It strengthens funda­ President's Address. mentalism. 483 Ob— nation by MARCH 9,1962 Motion of Thanks on 484 ftsoajof c t notkso ffom Sup/omo Court by tho Gx-Spoakor i B M m . wcan sR decide iw w w nrwivswvoi iw M iw iiiiin ww uari This matter can be brought to the notice of OBSERVATION BY SPEAKER thew iw Law im v wMinistry ifww ^ also and the w fw ookit p rw iof i% wview i w w of w v i tieoolpt of Notice from Suprarm Court fteiogieteturo can bo presented to tho judi- bythoEx«9pMk»r CMkry uirOUQn uW U W M RnV uf f n 18 n iO H * sary. [£ n g m MR. SPEAKER: There it one mom But on the one hand, we wlli give the matter which I would like to bring to your papers and we would aocept and respect the notice. You know that there is an Impeach­ decision, but on the other hand, we would ment matter ponding with tho Committee. not expect the Presiding Officers to go to the Against that matter one mote case has been court and subject themselves fo the jurisdic­ fitod in tho Supromo Court. Shri Rabi Ray ji. tion of the court That was the view I had who happens to be our former Speaker, has expressed. And at the same time. I had said received a notice from tho Supromo Cowt. that I would bring this matterto tho notico of Shri Rabi Ray ji has written to mo asking for this august House and with their agreement my views and asking for the suggestions only we would come to a conclusion. So, I from tho present Speaker. Some days back, have brought this view to your notice. And. the hon. leaders of different parties and Shri I think, if it is agreeable to us we will follow Rabi Ray ji had mot me and we had dis­ this. cussed this matter. They eskedfor my views on this matter. I had abstained to them that SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes, Sir. we had organised a meeting of the Presiding Officers of India and in that meeting nearly SHRI LAL K. AOVANI (Gandhi Nagar): unanimously it was decided that'the judge­ This Minister of Parliamentary Affairs was ment given by the Supreme Court should be also present. respected until the law is amended. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Minister of We had also said in that meeting that State for Parliamentary Affairs was also the hon. Presiding Officers may not subject present. Of Course, he had said that he themselves to the jurisdiction of the judici­ would discuss with his Government. By and ary. We, as a very responsfcie institution, large, this was the view which has been like to protect the prestige and dignity of the discussed. He had not expressed any views. judiciary as well as the prestige and dignity of But we could find that he was not at tangent the legislature. Now here we have to strike a with the views expressed by us. balance and that is very very important

We have said that we would make the relevant papers, which can be given to the 15.42 hra. court, available to tho court for going through the papers and taking the decision. And MOTION OF THANKS ON THE PRESI­ whatever the decision given by them wffl be DENTS ADDRESS- CONTD. respected by the Presiding Officers and the legislaturers. There wore one or two dissent­ [Eng*** ing views on that point. But ultimately every­ body agreed to that. I had expressed this M R SP EAKER : Shri AnH Basu to speak. point of view to the hon. leaders and to Shri Rabi Rayji also. And I have said that the SHRI ANIL BASU (AramtMgh): Hon. Speaker may not appear in the court The Speaker, Sir, I rise to oppose the Miotion of papers may be given to the court and court Thanks on the President's Address. I wish to 485 Motion cf Thanks on PHALGUNA19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 486

say that the Address tas ks credible and prepared under instructions from t**e World cohesive approach towards the challenges Fund and the Bank. And that is not the end facing the country. It» unfortunate that no The Fund and the Bank would also monitor solution is to be found to any one of the long- the implementation process. The World pending problems of our country in the Bank; in effect, had access to the process of President’s Address The Address is unin­ Budget and also the trade policy formula­ spiring and full of platitudes. This Congress(l) tions May I ask the hon Members on the Government heeded by Shn Narasimha Rao other side whether , as a Member of the took over beofre nine months. And It was ruling party, do they not feel ashamed that announced that this Government would the economic sovereignty of this country has function through consensus. BUt that was been compromised with? Do they not feel not followed . After nine months, this Gov­ ashamed that the supremacy of the House ernment. first of all, started functioning has been compromised to it? Though, they through mortgaging of gold. After nine are the members of the ruling party, their months, we see that this Government is leaders are taking the policy decisions and going to mortgage the economic sovereignty they are taking action but they are hiding of the country of the World Fund Bank. more and informing them much less. This Government which talks about consensus is This Government started functioning by functioning through secracy and by avoiding devaluation of rupee. And after nine months this House. we see tha^ this Government is devaluing all democratic processes and institutions in­ Coming to the Punjab problem, we see cluding this parliament. that the Congress party has got its pound of flesh; 12 Congress-1 M.Ps have come from Truly, speaking, this august House has Punjab the minority status of the Govern­ become irrelevant so far as functioning of ment has been improved. But the problem of this Government is concerned because all Punjab has not been solved. Punjab is still major policy decisions are taken outside this burning. The President’s Address does not House without consulting or even discussing give the alternate indication as to how to it in this House. Honour, dignity and suprem­ solve the Punjab problem on urgent footing acy of this House is at stake. Regarding the Kashmir problem which The President's Address fails to take is a creation of Congress-1 politics, the note of the serious development. The phi­ identity of the Kashmiri people should be losophy of this Government is that foreign kept and the Government must dispel the loan and foreign investment is the only path alienation and disaffection through concrete for progress and development of this great and immediate steps in the political, eco­ country. nomic. cultural and language f lelds. BY help­ ing the BJP to perform the Ekta Yatra, the Sir, the President’s Address does not Government may think of short term gains speak about the shameless surrender of the but It would not help to solve the problem of Government to the World Fund and the the country. Bank. I am sorry to say that the Budget which has been placed before this House has only Regarding Ram Janmabhoomi-Babn been printed at the North Block, at Delhi, but Masjid issue; we see that the Government in ’it has been prepared by the World Fund and . U.P., they are trying to raise the emotional the Bank at Washington. sentiments of the people and the Govern­ ment of India must act seriously and sin­ The whole policy of the Government of cerely against the evil designs of communal India on economy , trade and industry are forces headed by BJP. 487 Motion of TJmnto an MARCH 9.1992 Pr**khrX'» Addr*** 408

[Sh. Anil Basil] The small and tiny eector of the industry would be wiped out due to the new policies The President' s Address in the name of of the Government. the need to take hard decisions to overcome the grim economic situation, actually ig­ It is ridiculous that this Government has nores the disastrous consequences of the not even spared their important leader Shri new economic, trade and Industrial policy of Rajiv Gandhi. In the President’s Address an the Government. The prices of each essen­ announcement has been made regarding tial commodities have skyrocketed from the Rajiv Gandhi National Drinking Water Com­ very first day of the NarasimhaRao Govern­ mission. The Technology Mission on Drink­ ment. And now, It has become the common ing Water has been renamed after Shri Rajiv knowledge among the people that this un­ Gandhi. precedented price rise which has no parallel in the history of independent India is the MR. SPEAKER: Now you must con­ consequence of the policies of the new clude, please. These are not necessary. Government. The conditionalities of the IMF which the Government had agreed upon is SHRI ANIL BASU: I am concluding. But • the (lain reason for this price rise. The if you go through the Budget which has been Government is compromising on the eco­ placed before the country, we see that the nomic sovereignty of the oountry. The IMF- rural water supply programme has suffered World Bank dictated measures are being a steep decline from Rs. 758.57 crores in the shamelessly implemented by the Govern­ current year to Rs. 460.58 crores in 1992- ment and are leading India into a vicious 93. debt trap. The new industrial policy is surren­ dering self-reliance. These policies are anti- Regarding other poverty alleviation people. These policies, they threaten the programmes .... closer of many public sector units due to impending exit policy. The ctt in subsidies MR. SPEAKER: Now this is repetition. imperil the interests of the peasants and Already your time is up. consumers. The public distribution system is under attack. On the other hand 9 big SHRI ANIL BASU: I am pointing out bonanza ha§ been offered to ,the foreign another issue. The President's speech does multinational corporations and the Indian big not utter a single word rogarding implemen­ monopolists. New slaughts on economic tation of the land reform programmes. Land sovereignty are under way with pressure to reform measures are productive measures accept the Dunkels proposals in the G A TT and they increase the production and also negotiations. Unfortunately, the President’s maintain a balance between the production Address is silent on these and demand. This Government which spoke realities.(/flfemjpf/ons) . so loudly about the globalisation of the econ­ omy; this Government which spoke so loudly MR. SPEAKER: You have to conclude about the market economy; this Govern­ now. ment which forced the Indian industry to compete with the international industry, so SHRI ANIL BASU: Sir. the President’s that they can acquire the capability to com­ Address provides only a lip service on the pete in tne international market, why this unemployment problem. With exist policy, Government is so shy to say any word re­ with ban on recruitment, with cut on alloca­ garding land reform measures? Why this tion on poverty alleviation programmes, the Government wants to keep the Semi feudal unemployment problem will reach an all time land relation in our country’ It is only be­ high record. cause this Government represents the inter­ 468 Motion of Thank* on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President’s Address 4do ests of the landlord s and the big monopo­ In his Address has addressed himself to lists. Thai is why we see there is not a tingle every subject except the sovereignty of India word regarding land reform in the Presi­ and that has been the glaring exception. But dent's Address. this is what is upper-most in the minds of the people, in the minds of every patriotic person I also see that there is no proposal of in the country. taxation on the rural rich. It is because the Government and the leaders who are run­ The question today is whether the ning this Government come form the land­ Government will be accountable to the Par­ lord families anc they represent the land­ liament in this country, to the people in this lords' interests. That is why we see that the country or to the experts of the IMF and the whole economy of the country is for the World Bank. The question is whether it will benefit of the big monopolists. This Govern­ take the people into confidence, the Parlia­ ment represents the interests of the big ment into confidence or it will take the foreign monopolists and the landlords. They are not institutions into confidence first. The ques­ taking care ot the millions of the poor people tion is whether we will have a foreign policy of this country. When you see the condition of our own or all the policies are going to be of the millions of poor people in this country... foreign; whether the values for which the martyrs of freedom struggle laid down their MR SPEAKER: You have made that lives will be held or not. What is at stake is the point, please conclude now. economic and political sovereignty of the country and nothing less. The posterity will SHRI ANIL BASU: Millions of our youth judge us; let us not forge shackles for the are out of job When you see that the mill tons posterity here. of people ate going to the streets because of the new policies when there is retrenchment I do not put blame, but what I say, I say in the public soctor units, when there is no with pains. (Interruptions) Sir, I had the employment, what will the future of the youth occasion to attend the international meets— in this country? the World Bank. the IMF, the UNCTAD and the GATT. Some countries used to tell us MR SPEAKER This is really going that we present the Budget to the Worid beyond a particular limit. Please take your Bank and the IMF for scrutiny and thereafter seat. we announce it in our country. And I used to wonder as to whether this is possible. I do not SHRI ANIL BASU: What I want to say is know how much of the Budget has been that this President’s Address has given no presented. I will not go into those details, but direction to the country. This President’s certainly we do feel by the very documents Address which is prepared by the Cabinet that have been presented to us and of the and the President was not responsible, this World Bank that been presented that so far President’s Address ..... as the policies are concerned, that is more important thanthe technicalities of the Budget MR. SPEAKER: What you are saying is they have been submitted to the World Bank not going on record. Please take your seat. and the IMF.

(Interruptions)* It is the World Bank Report that says:

SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH • The monitoring of macro-economic (Fatehpur). Mr. Speaker, Sir, the President performance in particular, will be dosety

* Not recorded. 491 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Addiess 492

[Sh. Vishwanath Pratap Singh] ifesto that they will recognise Israel. It was never in the anif esto of the Congress. Today, coordinated with the IMF. The Bank Admini­ if ii is done, I believe, it is under pressure. stration wili also monitor the implementation This is servility and this is submission to the and progress of reform action through a mid­ foreign policy. term consultation to be heid prior to the end of June 1992. In addition to serving as a Similarly the voting on Zionism is no catalist to promote greater coordination longer treated as racism i? another evidence. among the various line - Ministries to which The endorsement of an action against Lybia AICI/SSC programmes relate, the review is further evidence. The cndorseent of an would provide a forum to discuss with the action against Lybia is further evidence. In authorities, the recommendations of several Iraq today, children are dying without medi­ high-level committees established by the cines. But even on this human considera­ Government and therein incorporation of tion, the present Government cannot raise a the text appropriate in the 1992-93 Budget.” single voice on that account to make any effort. We tried to send food there and we did This document is evident of the fears succeed in it. This is evidence, which we that we had of coming through. I remember oppose. It is not a question of this party or in Uruguau when I contacted the US counter­ that party. Our country is being committed to part, they said very plainly, "Well, Mr. Singh, such a course which is against its sover­ you may not agree; but we can deal with the eignty and its economic independence, {inter­ countries bilaterally and we will see that they ruptions) In the face of such a challenge, would agree.” I told them that this is against what is the response? The response is all canones of multi-lateral trading; but you helplessness. I want to ask: did you seek the can do that. For any illicit relations, I am not help of the people of this country? No. Did going to sanctify it by giving endorsement to you seek the help of the Parliament? No. Did what you wanted to. you seek the help of parties concerned? No, You saw only the help of IMF and World Bank. And when they dictate terms,you find This arm-twisting and threats have now yourself totally helpless. reached our country and we are seeing the distortions that are taking place in our vari­ Let us remember the spirit of freedom ous policy matters. fight. Did Gandhi say that the British have got so much ammunition ; we are helpless; we 16.00 hr*. cannot do anything? When V ietnam was challenged by carpet-bombing by the US, did the people of Vietnam say that we are And it is most reflected in our foreign helpless, they have got so many bombs; policy. So far as I remember, I may be wrong - what can we do? But here a cult of mental in this very House, the hon. Prime Minister slavery is being cultivated consciously. That has given an assurance so far as the recog­ is the greatest danger rather than the details nition of Israel was concerned that we will not of the budget. ( Interruptions) The will of the give recognition to Israel unless a satisfac­ nation is being underimined. But I must say, tory solution to the Palestinian problem let us not under-estimate the patriotic sense comes through the West Asia Peace talks. of the people. Had you taken the trust, they West Asia peace talks have given no result. would have been ready to make any sacri­ But recognition to Isreal has been given. fice to safeguard the independence eco­ nomic andlipolitical. But you did not trust I could understand if a BJP Govement them. You kept them in dark. Every easure would have done because it is in their an- that you took we read only in the newspapers 493 Motion of Thinks on PHALGUNA 19.1913 'SAKA) President's Address 494 was without telHng the peopls and taking them as the economy goes through the them into confidence. processor macro economic stabilisation and economic restructuring.'' .{Interruptions)... What are tha proposals now? What Mr. I will read it again. You know me well. Inspite Dunks! has to teH us'is that any multinational of noise, I will neither sit down nor stop. So, can come and sat up industry in any area it bear with me. wants, in any industiy it wants. It will have no obiigaytion of exports. If will have no obliga­ "This Government is deeply conscious tion to buy any produce of this counry. It will of Its spedal responsibility to protect the have total freedom to import any thing that it poorer sections of our society.” liked from abroad. This is Mr. Dunkel. Under intellectual property rights, what will happen This is the gross part of it and the real to the scientists who have gone to build the part is: self-reliance of this country and its strength? Even seeds and bio- fertilisers will be subject ‘Especially in rural areas from the bur­ to inellectual propery rights and patents. If a dens that would otherwise be forced upon farmer grows a crop, he will have to buy them as the economy goes through the seeds again from the multinational. process macro economic stabilisation and economic restructuring.'* I do not know whether the tissue culture and all that is being imported are under This is full sentence. Sir, this is synopsis patents or not. I want the answers, Sir. by your Secretariat. I am exactly reading the Today, there is not question of other de­ words from the synopsis. So, Sir, if you have bates. Let it be told every clearly that we are given us something wrong, then please let not going to implement these proposals. We us knew.(Interruptions) want a dear answer as to what is the position of Super 301, on Dunkel’s proposals on MR. SPEAKER: May I respectfully TRIMS and TRIPS. In fact, what the Govern­ suggest not to read the synopsis but to read ment has been doing is to implement Dunkel the speeches? without taking the name of Dunkel. Those proposals are coming as their own propos­ (Interruptions) als. Sir, it is so transparent. Even the spelling of colour has changed from ‘colour’ to’ color’. SHRI SOM NATH CHATTERJEE: That ThatisthecolourofheGovemment. ...{Inter­ will be too much of rwtraint.(lnterruptions) ruptions)... Sir, when I look at Narasimha Raoji, the Prime Minister, I see him as a SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: personal friend. But when I look at the Gov­ I trust what comes from you is authentic. ernment, Sir, then I see Mr. Dunkel ...(Inter- ruptbns)... And Mr. Dunkel oould not have MR. SPEAKER: It comes from the of­ got of better because all his propsals are fice. being implemented and the Goernment is protecting even his name in the authorship of (Interruptions) his proposals. And who is paying for all these structural changes?... (Interruptions)... SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: Even the Finance Minister, Mr. Manmohan Indrajitji rightly raised the issue as to on Singh, inspite of lot of gloss, while talcing of whom wHI this burden fall. The first burden these structural changes and the burden, that fell was on the poor, by price rise and has said, regarding poorer sections of our inflation. And here, I quite agree with what society,"Especially in rural areas from the Indrajitji said that if BJP endorses the poll* burdens that would otherwisebe forced upon cles of the present Government and I see no 495 Uolhn of TKtrki on MAHCHS.fl*? Presideni’s Address 496

[Sh. V'1 shwanath Pratap Singh) trenchment of Government employees, aU this is another story in itself. difference between the two ...( Interrup­ tions What have we got after paying aN this price? We got stagnation on the agricultural [Translation] front; negative growth in industry; stalling of our export and surrender of our economic SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE and political sovereignty. This is the price (Lucknow): Shri V.P. Singh does not see any which we have paid. difference, however in case he looks at it carefully he will find that there is a difference Now, what is the future after taking between them but there is difference be­ these bans? And, how are we going to utilise tween him and myself. these loans? Very proudly it has been an­ nounced in the Budget speech,’’Our ability SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: to fight inflation has been considerably en­ Atalji has his own peculiar way of presenta­ hanced by improvement in our foreign ex­ tion. However, he should look up but he change reserve." The foreign exchange, should see downwards also because the which is built up by and large by NRI deposits fact lies there. I am referring to what is lying or loans, is being utilised for bringing down below. the prices. Precisely, It is these routine loans that have brought us to this situation . I am [English} worried because we have taken these loans for the purpose of macro-economic adjust­ So, Sir, I was most respectfully submit­ ment. This is what we have proclaimed. But ting to the BJP friends that if they endorse the crux of the matter is this. What about the the policy broadly, they cannot detach them­ revenue deficits? It should be pointed out selves from the fruits They are watering the here. roots but they say that they are away from the fruits. This will not do. If the policies of The Budget Estimate Was Rs. 13,850 Government are wrong then You have to crores and the revised Budget Estimate is attach itform tje root to the fruit. This dicot- •Rs.17,000 crores The Revenue Deficit has omy of watering the root and rejecting the increased by more than Rs. 4,000 crores. fruit will not hold good. SHRI MANI SHANKAR AIYAR: You Now. who has paid the cost of this speak on the Motion. It is not relevant. restructuring? The cut in the planned expen­ diture of 1992 was of the order of Rs. 700 SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: crores, which is 7 per cent. The Budget it is relevant when the debate on the Presi­ estimates for he non-planned capital expen­ dent’s Address is going on . We cannot keep diture were brought down from Rs. 15,382 quiet what the Government has done. All crores to Rs.13,374 crores. Last year, rural these things have to be brought to their development was down by Rs. 500 crores; notice. water resources were cut by 15 crores, environment by Rs.33 crores, health by Rs. Sir, today, we have been brought to a 22 crores, education by Rs. 72 crores; small situation where our economic sovereignty is scale and agro-industry by Rs. 40 crores. at stake. We have to submit ourselves to These are the sectors who paid for the IMF. The macro economic mismanagement structural changes. The plight of farmers is a part of it. The revenue deficit has to be after the hike in fertilisers price, condition of discussed. How have they mismanaged it? the weavers and labouring community, re­ How this Govement is mismanaging the 497 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 {SAKA) President's Address 498 revenue deficits? The re should be a wide a farmer today. He is looking like an Ameri­ discussion on this. Now, what has happened? can Farmer. The revenue expenditure was 30 per cent in 1990-91 went up to 74 per cent and 26 per THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE cent respectively in 1991 -92. In 1992-93, the (SHRI BALRAM JAKHAR): Let him not be revenue expenditure went up to 75 per cent cringing. and capital expenditure went to 25 per cent. It is the proportional rise in revenue expendi­ SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: ture and increase in revenue deficit which is You are getting American wheat which I do very serious. not know. In regard to foreign policy matters, you had submitted yourselves to the black­ in 1986, I brought before the Cabinet mail that you will not sell rice to Cuba. That some papers. Those papers are still in the is another evidence of submission or letting Finance Ministry under my signature. If the down your consistent friend Cuba. I do not revenue deficit continues like this, by 1990, know whether you are going to sell rice or vrewiUhu bau&cun*. The revenue deficit will not. cross Rs. 14,000 crores. That is the root cause. In spite of this, the revenue deficit is What is necessary today is this. You are being managed. This is being glossed over talking of liberalisation. The farmers are in and not brought to the notice of the people. shackless. K they produce paddy, they can- What Is further on the anvil?

[Sh Vishwnath Pratap Singh] that minorities are protected and they are not discnminated against in the matter of em the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes pioyment in public services and benefits he will be impnsoned for three months and from development schemes ’ also fined That should be a national law This is something we could not do even after But what is the concrete thing regarding 43 years of Independence We would have their employment 9 known if you wanted to say something, we thought that there will be some announce­ We have passed orders that in every ment like that selection board there will be a member of the minorities and of the Scheduled Castes We SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE have ensured that in the selection boards at It is exit of labour least they are there You may select, you maynotselect But that is there (Interruptions) SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH Yes they have entry of multi-nationals and You cannot have joint Ekta Yatras and exit of labour also speak of minorities' The pint venture of Ekta Yatras and also minorities will not do Regarding backward classes you (Interruptions) Let it be known (Interruptions) mentioned that a National Backward Classes We will not get into this trap because Finance and Deve'cp^e"* Corporation h9«$ whenever you want to save your skin, you been set up The question is not of money gei * proposal f.’G"* them and they will say Are you giving them the share in power’ that you have to get up and save yourself What has happened to Mandal Commis­ (Interruptions) This joint venture, we will not sion? There is no mention in the President's allow ( Interruptions) We will vote on Issues Address (Interruptions) This is their re­ the anypoliticalcooperation with the BJP I want country This is how you are talking about it to go on record There is no doubt about it But We are voting our own By all this clubbing of the economic amendments ( Interruptionsr) criteria and the soci?lly backward critena what will happen? And a nsk is there in it It A point has been asked as to what is the is in the court of both having put in trouble alternative The first thing is that you should That is the nsk I see I tell you, why not scrap take the working class people ino confi­ W(hterruptk>ns) Why are you clubbing the dence in the whole structural changes Do economic criteria for backward classes and you think that you can face the world without the upper classes criteria? There is no an­ taking the working class into confidence? swer I know that they did not have any Never they have been called Please do call answer them and have a meeting

if the public Sector units are not produc SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE He is tive, labour participation in management is only asking about Mandal a way to involve them and to make them Commission ( Interruptions) more productive but not shutting them down and having an exit policy. There is an alter­ SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH native to involve labour and take them into Regarding the minorities, all that is men­ confidence, they will give you the tioned is that- results (Interruptions) So far as the " the 15 Point Programme for the agnculure is concerned, by just mentioning welfare of minorities which seeks to ensure that 'it is a State-subject and hope that they 501 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President’s Address 502 will dQ"is not the answef It n the agro­ the President of our country, does not ad­ industries and decetralised production that dress the entire nation like the President of can create employment in the villages, lak- America. His constitutional position is differ­ ing the load of from the farm, yet providing ent. However, let us give a thought to the employment in the rural areas And the pur­ kind of peculiar position faced by our Presi­ chasing power generation will lead to struc­ dent. in the First insance he read out the tural reforms of the industry and there will be address prepared by the V.P. Singh Govern­ demand for items of mass consumption It is ment. Thereafter, he read-out one prepared through this we can get the structural by Chandra Shekhar Government and now changes by seeing where the resources go an Address prepared by the Narasimha Rao and also by emphasising our agro-indus- Government. tries We are not sure what will happen today. I The real thing is to have an alternative know nothing will happen. Now President will have to read out another Address. I think The point is. for a slave there is no other we should review this situation. alternative except slavery There has to be a will to be free and let us cultivate this cult of Mr. Speaker, Sir, the situation in states slavery and menal enslavemont We shall is still worse. When the Governors come to not in this House forge shackles for our deliver the Address in legislative Assemblies posterity. Therefore, we shall vote against they come prepared for anything. They are this President’s Address, against price rise stopped from entering the Assembly, pre­ and against unemployment vented from reading the Address, papers are thrown on them, documents are thrown [ Translation] over their heads. Many of the Governors read out only the first and last paragraph of SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE the speech and go back. This sort of thing is (Lucknow)' Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to start not proper. What is the necessity of putting from the very begining. On 24 February the the Governors in such a diifficult situation? hon. President addressed the joint session of both the Houses. It is an annual feature. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am raising a serious He reads out a written speech. In this regard, matter and would like to emphasise that here he can be compared with the Queen of is an opportunity to re-establish the previous Britain. But the Queen of Britain at least good traditions and to establish certain new enjoys respect from the members of Parlia­ traditions, if necessary. We should not make ment. In our country the President’s Address democracy a subject of mockery. We should is marred by repeated in terruptions. At time not present wrong ideals before the new it is even boycotted. There may be occa­ generation. In case we find it difficult to sions when the situation may go even out of maintain the dignity and decorum at a par­ control. ticular occasion we should better avoid that occasion. You can convene an All Party Mr. Speaker, Sir, sincft 1957 I have meet and prepare a code of conduct in this been listening to the President's Address. regard. The situation in the country at the The other day, sitting in the Central Hall I moment is such that every elected party is was thinking as to whether this Address by ruling one state or the other and as such it the President is really essential? Has it not should not be difficult to prepare a code of been reduced to a mere tradition? Are we conduct for such occasion. able to maintain the dignity on that occa­ sion? Should the President’s Address be Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was going through allowed to be interrupted? it is correct that the President's Address. It is unduly lengthy. 503 Motion of Thanka on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 504

(Sh. Atal Bihari Bajpayee] tha Legislative Assembly.lt was notfollowed. Congress Government was formed then by An effort has bean mada to incorporota even engineering defection. Was it essential? the patty things. What is the necessity of Meghalaya is an important part of the coun­ doing so in tha President’s Address ? There try. If you want to solve the problems con­ are 30 paragraphs in it and it seems that 30th fronted by the country with consensus then paragraph has been added a the last minute was it necessary to enact all this drama in in a haste. Tha entire speech has been Meghalaya? No, it was not. divided into small paragraphs but the 30th para is a long one and it appears to be on the I welcome the newly elected friends education policy. It is quite possible that the from Punjab. However, the objective behind Education Minister might be busy elsewhere, holding elections in Punjab was not to in­ he may be on a visit from kukreshwar o crease congress strength in Lok Sabha. The Chitrakut and he could not have found the objective was rather greater, we wanted to time to see this paragraph. However, it is not fulfil the need of democracy for that matter it coherent and does not fit in the entire was intially thought by all parties to contest address, but as custmory address is to be the election together. Later on, it was de­ made and every Ministry has to sent its note cided to contest it separately. At one stage it so let it be done. The President’s Address was said that Congress Party was not keen should not be treated in such a casual way. to form a Government there. Such a Govern­ ment should come into power there which Mr. Speaker, Sir, when the Government could fight terrorism unitedly. Unforunately assumed power it was hoped and tha Gov- Akalis boycotted the elections. Their deci­ •rrsrrsnt had also given an announcement, sion cannot be termed as correct. However, and is being a minority Government it was I want to congratulate Congress Party for also proper to run the country on consensus. this massive victory. Had Congress desired Had the Government been in majority even it could have invited Shri Amarendra Singhji then in view of the crisis being faced these to join the Government and could have also days, those may be the crisis of the unity and . invited the Members of Bahujan Samai Party itegrity of the nation or financial crisis it would to join the Government. have been very difficult to overcome those crisis without determination and consensus Does the Punjab problem not demand approach. We had though that the Govern­ that this i3 the need of the hour. After Inde­ ment is in minority. It wouid take everyone pendence there was no hesitation in includ­ ino confidence and try to build up consen­ ing even Dr. Syama Prasad Mokherkjee in sus. For some days an effort was made in the Cabinet. this direction but later on the situation changed. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHARY (Hoshiar- pur): Atalji, the Akalis did not participate in The same thing had happened with late the Punjab elections and people cast their Shri Rajiv Gandhi also. I do not want to go vote as they wished. Shri Amrinder Singh’s into that part of the history. Today, no effort party was able to capture only three seats. is being made towards building up a consen­ Why are you pleading the cause of sus and even if a consensus is evolved on it Akalis?(/n!«flnjptions) is not followed property. After all, what hap­ pened in Meghalaya. Mr. Speaker, Sir, you SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: Mr. might be remembering I do not want to drag Speaker, Sir, I am not bothered about votes you into this controversy, it was decided in a but if I am interrupted like this, I would raise mealing with tha opposition that the fate of such matters which should not be raised the Government of that state should be left to here ( Interruptions) This should not have 505 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 506 happened there. This i s my suggestion and ■( Translation] 1 am putting forth my opinion. There is no question of liking or disliking. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is a universal fact that if a THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI P.V. party has clear majority it is good and if it has NARASIMHA R A O ): I know that the sugges­ 2/3rd majority which gives it the right to tions you have given here are good, but I amend the Constitution— it is all the more have my limitations. I cannot divulge it in better But during the last 10 years of our public. I will tell you later. parliamentary career we have found that this country cannot be run by brute majority SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYFE: That alone i.e. majoriy of number. It can take is the problem. ( Interruptions) decisions but if cannot inspire the 80 crore population of this country. SHRI SARAD YADAV (Madhepura): Sir, this is an injustice to all Unfortunately the problems have be­ members... ( Interruptions) come so complex that the Congress party cannot run from its responsibility.Repeatedly SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: Mr. the Government headed by Shri Vishwanath Speaker, Sir, the Hon. Prime Minister says Pratap Singh and Shri Chandra Shekhar he is helpless, we want to see him strong. have been blamed for various lapes but the Hon. Prime Minister and his colleagues have SHRI RAM v/ILAS PASWAN(Rosera): never pointed to the circumstances which Mr Speaker, Sir, the Hon. Prime Minister has led the country to a state of bankruptcy should nor have said that he is helpless, if he No Proud person will ever like such a situ­ did not want to divulge ation Today, we cannot do without anything..(Interruptions) debt.There are cond itionalities with the grant­ ing of loans MR. SPEAKER- Shri Paswan, please sit down. "Rahiman karparkarkaro kar Tarkaro nokoy SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE-1 was Ja din kartarkarkaro ta din mama hoy” saying that because there is nb need to hide anything (Intenuptions) thq Hon. Prime The Saint poet Rahim said that if you Minister was saying that he is helpless, but give alms to somebody it is good but if you we want him to be strong ..( Interruptions) receive alms it is better to die on that day. That is a fact. It is a different matter that the entire country can be brought together on [English] this issue which has not been done so far.

The Hon. Prime Minister is right when SHRI P.V NARASIMHA RAO: Sir, there he says what is the other alternative? I would is an amount of propriety in divulging certain like to submit to my friends who belong to leftist j>arties that levelling charges that the matters, certain negotiations and certain talks country has been sold by vested interests is which we hold with Leaders of other Parties not proper. Ours is an ancient and great and that is my difficulty. In course of time I country. Who can sell it? Who has the cour­ would certainly like to take the Leaders of age to do it? And if the country is sold while Opposition groups into confidence. I would wo are here, we will have to hang our not like to suppress that. In course of time, jf heads in shame. We would not be able to face the masses. To give a warning that no one concerned has any objection , the we would not allow anybody to story can come out. compromise with the Sovereignty 507 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 508

[Sh Atal Bihar Vajpay ee] Illusion that they want to work for our upliftment We should exercise our discre­ of the country is good Nobody can sell this tion as to which company should enter into country Is this a way to boost the morale of Indian Market, in which sector and to what the country ? By lowering the morale we extent This all depends on us The doors are just being thrown open Any World Bank cannot make the country strong I have a official is free to meet the Finance Minister grouse with the Hon Prime Minister Why Door are open and alt are welcome I 4 the doesn't he make efforts now to find new door is closed One can get through the solutions and alternatives Agreed, that he window This was not the practice earlier did not have sufficient time when he was Earlier the World Bank officials could meet sworn in He should have taken remedial only the Secretary or other officials of the steps to check devaluation of rupee, getting Secretariat, but now they have come very back the mortgaged gold But it is never late close where will it lead us? Now he has time to do that He should take immediate steps lest the pendulam goes to Some basic changes in the structure of the other extreme once again and the situ­ the economy have been made and I agree that these changes were essential but we ation deteriorates to such as extent that we were not yet prepared for it We have sup­ may have to face hardships again ported the Government in removing the unnecessary constraints We have also Mr Speaker, Sir Communism hasfailed supported removing of obstructions created but this is no reason to believe that capital­ by the oureaucracy For progress there is ism has succeeded America itself is in cri­ need for competition This has become clear sis When the hon Finance Minister pre­ from the communist countries of Europe But sented the Budget he was in high spirits and in competition there can be monopoly also said— If the monopoly of State can create prob lems, the monopoly by individuals can ere ate more problems "Sarfarosh) ki Tamanna Ab Hamare Dil Mem Hai The small scale industry feels direction Dekhna hai jor kitna Baju-e-Katil Mem less Emphasis is being laid to formulate hai” policies for small farmers They are appre­ hensive of future 1 he Public sector facto­ Sir, would you fight with us’ If you want ries are running in loss The Bharatiya to fight with anybody fligh with crisis that we Janata Party had warned earlier that in prin­ facing facmf today And fight in a way that ciple there is nothing bad in the public sector the country’s self respect and sovereignty is In a backward country like India the Intre not compromised and India is able to show vention of State is essential But it should be a new path to the developed and developing done only in sectors where it is essential like nations? What will happen if we ourselves go the coie sectors and efforts should be made astray? So, n the Hon Prime Minister had to make it successful We opened factories called for meeting where we could sit to­ in Public Sector, but did not equip it with gether and try to find ways to overcome the professional management We did not de crisis it would have been better He could velop managerial staff We left these indus­ have said that the Government has taken tries at the mercy of IA S officers We saw immediate stops but there is need for long it for ourselves, how, these IAS officers func­ term solutions But this did not happen Such tioned in Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh a thing ought to have been done I do not and Rajasthan know whether there is a third alternative? But it is a fact that we never tried to find it out it should have been found out The foreign What is their stake or interest in running compamse want to enter Indian market for these factories? If the factory goes in loss or making profit Nobody should have this gets sick these IAS officers are transferred 509 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 {SAKA) President s Address 510 as Managing Direc tors of another factory ing the Shiv Sena The/ made Gopi Nath Their job is safe How long wiH this oonitue? Munde the Uader of the Opposition at once When these factories were taken over by the (Interruptions) public sector at that time there was corrup­ tion and now once again when these are SHRI ATALBIHARI VAJPAYEE If there being handed over to pnvate hands, there is any advantage, it is quite insignificant and will be corruption A factory in Uttar Pradesh quite momentary {Interruptions) The Janta was taken over That produced cement It Dal disintegrated due to its own reasons But was said that it could not run The previous I know well that the Swamis, Bhu-Swarttis Government had taken it over The workers and Gnh-Swamis related with the ruling party, launched an agitation Workers said they were engaged in Playing their role to add to were ready to run the factory The case was that division If you manage majority, it is filed in thepourt The court rejected Govern­ good but keep in mind that only maprity ment decision Now that factory is running, cannot solve the problems Today the coun­ running well and running with the coopera­ try is at a cntical juncture There is a threat tion of workers There is no need to hand it from outside, there is internal disintegration, over to private sector Is the Government your determination to adopt new policies in ready to think about each such factory with the economic field but that determination wisdom? Speaking on the previous Budget I lacks will and public support It looks as if the cited an example of the West Bengal Jute country has become a soft state Who will Factory The workers are ready to give Rs 7- sacrifice? A consumer culture is cropping up 8 crore, their total saving, to run the factory due to television and the middle class is They say you run the factory with some of hankering after that culture We have to your assistance Where there is no way to present ideas if we want this class should run the factory without closing it, workers learn to face hardships We will have to cooperation should be taken There should create faith in values of the life I am sorry be provision of alternative employment for that we could not do so We do not accept the them The exit policy is all right But there is Dunkel proposal It cannot be accepted in no social security system The moment a the present situation The Government should worker loses his job, he will be there on the make it clear whether there is any scojae of roads and will start starving These are some amendment or modification in this proposal issues that need collective approach These after negotiations If the proposal is ngid, it issues should not be politicised Elections should be rejected But if scope is there, are not going to be held in near future I have have a dialogue Western countnes have a complaint agamt the Congress Was it their own problems America is carrying on necessary to break the Shiv Sena to in­ its subsidy programme Japan has its own crease its own strength? difficulties European countnes are trying to find out solutions to the problems of their ■’ Kay Sharadrao tumhtn sanga farmers The leadership should understand Kay sangay che te" that we have a type of complex in our mind We have been slave for a long time Today THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI it is the age of interdependence First inde­ SHARAD PAWAR) There was a need to pendence and then interdependence it is keep them away from you quite necessary to safeguard our interests But if it is said that the country is being sold SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE Only out, the people may get enraged If we have two Members ( Interruptions) to take recourse to fanaticism, it can easily besaid without going seriously into itthatthe SHRI ASHOK ANANDRAO country is being sold out whether the country DESHMUKH TheB J P too helped in break­ is being sold out or not But if it is done, we 511 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 512

[Sh Atal Bihar Vajpayee] prospective questions We are fighting for achieving it will have to pay price for it I would jike to give a warning against it If the country is really MR SPEAKER Thank you Vajpayee]i being sold out, then this Government, this Efforts will be made to take action on your Parliament and the entire edifice do not have suggestions in regard to interruptions during any relevance today This question is su­ the President's Address preme, this is the first and foremost question But I do not agree that those, who are ruling the country, are selling it out I think such an (English) unfortunate moment will never come when a democratically elected Government will sell THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI P V the country At last they will have to go to the NARASIMHA RAO) Mr Speaker. Sir I am people The people will not spare those who grateful to all the hon Members who have will sell the country But I would like to say participated in this debate particularly grate­ that this is not a question of feelings We ful to the crowning performance of Shn Vish should find out a third alternative codec wanathji, and of course, the very suave, very tively The pendulum should not be allowed entertaining, very instructive, somewhere positive, somewhere less positive speech of to move completely to the other side, a Atalji balance will have to be struck somewhere and there should be harmony in policies The I had not expected this sudden develop prime Minister wants to carry on the politics ment that in a situation where national con of consensus But perhaps his party is not sensus was being sought was being ob allowing him to do so Now he is the presi tained and generally was being given sud dent of the party He should convince his denly we would be faced with a tense situ party Will this game of power once again ation a tense moment not only tense forthis play with the fate of the country’ I have been country within the country for the people of a witness I have been watching this game this country but not quite good from the point since 1957 Where we were and where have of view of the country s image abroad It is we reached What has been the state of our this latter which causes even more concern institutions’ Now a charge sheet is ready to me at a time when the return package against the Chief Election Commissioner I introduced in India was hailed everywhere thought that the Chief Election Commis at a time when it was yielding result at a time sioner would be asked to quit Now the when we were getting investment invest Government says that he is not ready to quit ment in infrastructure much needed infra it is very ridiculous Make him ready to quit structure at a fast pace, pace which was about 14 to 15 times the pace of what hap Talks are already going on about prose pened in the previous years At such a time this debates and the turn to this debate I am cution against Court Judge Now a case sorry to say, has brought a set back or is against the Chief Election Commissioner likely to bring a set back It will take some keep in mind that this country will start prose time before we are able to repair this dam cutmg the Members of Parliament in open age i must be honest, I must be plain to say courts It is not in good taste So try to have this onsensus as far as possible Still time is ere I have come to know that you have 17.00 hrs made all arrangements to win today’s voting But what would be after it’ Tomorrow we will There will be again questions raised have to face the same questions There is a questions raised in the minds of the people need to give a new shape a new style to the We will meet the situation We will bring it politics so that we can properly answer the back on the rails But, somehow I must say 513 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 514 that I feel a litt le sad about the turn of events was handed down to us. But that is only one here. part of the story. My case is not that I was pushed into a situation. No. My case is that Sir, on the 26th of June, three of four while a situation has to be faced at very short days afterthisGovernmenttookover, leaded notice. I also think, my party also thinks, that for a meeting of the Opposition Parties. My what we are doing is exactly what we prom­ Finance Minister placed before them all the ised the people to do in our manifesto. Noth­ cards, the situation as it existed, as we ing more, nothing less. So, I am not ashamed inherited three or four days earlier and at the of what has been done. I am not hesitating to end of the discussion we came to some kind reiterate the programme that we have under­ of a opinion shared by almost everyone that taken as being the promise of the Congress what was proposed to be done was unavoid­ Party to the people with which incidentally able and three was no other way. I would like we have many other parties agreeing to to remind hon. Members, leaders of the different degrees but generally agreeing as parties, of that meeting. That gave me the a national consensus. This is how the posi­ courage to go ahead with the reform pro­ tion stands and I am satisfied. I have never gramme. And,I am glad to say that the re­ wanted any other party to agree with me form programme has been received well hundred per cent. Otherwise, there would within the country and abroad. I also made it not be two parties. There would not be differ­ absolutely clear in this House, in the other ent parties. There will be shades of opinion,' House and everywhere I addressed any different shades of opinion and they are meeting of any kind that I am not depending bound to be. I am not bothered about the on numbers, I am not daunted by numbers. shades. In fact, while formulating the knotty - Neither I am proud of my numbers nor am I gritty of our policy, we have taken the opin­ daunted by number if they happen to be ions given by other parties. We have taken fewer. I said even if I had 20 more or 30more into account what some leader must have seats in this House I would still go by the said at some place and how that would have method of consensus because I said in plain to be taken into order to go into some detail words that the time has come when the of the programme that we undertook. So, it is strength of numbers alone will not be able to not as if we have been impervious to opin­ enable us to solve the problems that we are ions from the other parties. We have been facingLtoday. I repeat that once again now. I responsive to all opinions, opinions which will not go by the number become certainly would fit into our own fr-utiework of the important when a situation like this arises. I policy. If they did not, naturally we could not have never dreamt that the number would take that. This has been the position, this has ever have become this much important the been the modus oporandi The background number would have become relevant in the is well-known. five years of my tern but certainly the situ­ ation seems to have been forced on me, on Atalji said, Rashtrapatiji had to read so this Government in eight months: Oh if you many. Addresses- three Addresses-which h^ve two less, your Government will go. I did he should have taken 15 years to read. But not think that this would be the situation. Bot it is not my fault. Because the longevity of the then there is something (ike political impa­ Government happened to be what it was, he tience. That has been built into the system, had to read three Addresses. built into our thinking perhaps. Therefore, in spite of my been efforts, probably, the impa­ tience became too much and we are facing About posterity, yes, we will have to this scene today, this situation today. decide who was responsible for this and that evaluation will remain the property of the Sir, I would like to remind the House as nation, something for the nation to ponder Atal-ji has just said that we had to plunge into over for the coming generation to consider a situation, we had to face a situation which carefully, dispassionately. 515 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 Presidents Address 516

[Sh. P.V. Naraaimha Rao] SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: Be that as it may. I would like to say that this preju­ We returned to power in June 1991. dice or bias or opinions sought to be created What I am going to say has been said al­ against an international financial body is not ready. But if there is any controversy on any in the interest of our country. Yes, the Bret- of thefacts, since I have satisfied myself with tonwoods' institutions, their structure, their every small detail of what I am going to say, working is something which we do not like I am prepared to make the files available to completely. We have been trying for the you. You can verify if there is any inaccuracy, reform of these institutions both in the Non- I will be held responsible. Aligned Movement and the United National, constantly, persistently and we will continue SOME HON. MEMBERS: On what? to do so. But to say that taking a long from the (Interruptions) World Bank or the IMF is itself to sell the country is something which is totally unac­ SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: Files ceptable. And I have to protest against this are not brought here. What I am saying is language being used against any Govern­ that whateverfacts and figures I would like to ment particularly, the Government belong­ place before the House are well authenti­ ing to the Indian National Congress, which cated, they are correct, they have been brought Independence, It is absolutely un­ verified. charitable. I would like the hon. Members and the hon. leaders of the Opposition Par­ Foreign exchange reserves had declined ties, to please consider how far K is appropri­ to a perilous level. It had happened despite ate to use a language to this kind. They may the fact two previous Government had drawn have differences; they may have their very 2.4 billion dollars from the IMF from July strong views. They are welcome to express 1990 to January 1991. It was no longer an their views but worlds like “sell out" etc would untouchable. They had drawn all that they not either be worthy of them and their parties could draw. They drew what is called the or worthy of the country. money which belongs to the different coun­ tries, Government. That does not need any Sir, the agreement - the Articles of great procedure. We have taken that money. Agreement of the IMF and World Bank-I And the first tranche also was taken by the have got two books here. The Articles of next Government. I am not blaming them at Agreement have this: all. After all, what is the World Bank, what is the IMF? Now this seems to be something 'To give confidence to members by like a monster whom we have suddenly making the general resources of the discovered to be some outsider. The World Fund temporarily available to them Bank belongs to India as much as the United under adequate safeguards, thus National belongs to us. There are facts and providing them with opportunities to the World Bank and the IMF have been correct maladjustments in the bal­ approached for assistance not for the first ance of payments without resorting to time now, but we have done it several times measures destructive of national or before. There is hardly any country which international prospects.* does not knock at the doors of the World Bank. Countries who are not members of the World Bank are now knocking at the doors of This is what the IMF is all about. Now the World Bank. what have we gone to IMF for ? It is precisely for this and nothing more and nothing less. It (Interruptions) comes completely within the Articles of Agreement of the IMF. SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA (Bankura): Not with these conditionalities. ( Interruptions) About the World Bank: 517 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 {SAKA) President's Address 51B

“to promote priv ate foreign invest­ well known that three are two-there grades ment by means of guarantees or of funds available. One is, the country's own participations in loans and other in­ deposit. A country can withdraw it without vestments made by private investors any conditionality. There is no question; it is and when private capital is not avail­ your own money. There is another window able on reasonable terms, to supple­ where you get lesser money but there is no ment private investment by providing conditionality. When the Gulf crisis came, on suitable conditions finances for these were the tranches available where productive purposes put of its own there were no conditionalities. We did not capital funds raised by it and tis other concede to conditionality. Now mixing up resources.” both together and trying to present the case, I think, is not fair. Again, the World Bank is nothing but an institution which comes to the rescue, comes SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: That is to the assistance of countries which need not correct. It is subject to verification. I such assistance. It has happened before agree that our own money needs no condi­ that we have taken a loa.-< from the IMF. But tionalities because you can take it at any we have not taken ail the tranches. We have time. The only thing is that you have to take taken one or two and when it came to the last it. You were cornered by the circumstances tranche, our position improved, and Shrimati to such an extent that you had to take it Gandhi, as the then prime Minister, said, "I number one and you authorised the second need not take the last one; I will not take the credit also. Negotiations started under your last one and I will Surrender the last one." It authority. You were not there to continue, I is up us whether we take or do not take. The agree. That is all there is to it. I am only tellinci question is whether it is available. Has Shri you facts and figures. Vishwanath kept his Government in a posi­ tion even to ask for that loan? This is the SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH point. Having taken it. whether he used it or During the Gulf crisis there was sudden rist not, it is a totally different question. in the crude oil prices and the country had t bear it. These were available without conti’ Sir, it is vory interesting, sometime how tionaiiues. That was the question. The'e wa we are carried away by our own rhetoric. The no question of submission to cond»tionau BOP did not improve in spite of what all Shri ties. That is the issue. Vishwanath wanted to do. Of course, it is not his fau't; he did not continue to do what he SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: I can wanted to do. give you all the details. I can give you more details. The Finance Mi-' ..try will come up An informal meeting of the Aid India with more details, if nea 1 "ary. But the fact Consortium was organized by the World is, I am not blaming him. I his is the point. I Bank in April 1991. The consultations were am not blaming Vishwana^'i. I am not blam­ held both with IMF and World Bank. The ing the Government that c .'ne thereafter, report of the discussions was that no fresh Chandra Shekharji’s government, I am not commitments of aid would be forthooming blaming any of the previr Governments. until basic reforms were undertaken. There was no way. The authority to go and negoti­ What I am saying is that the situation ate with the World Bank, Vishwanathji may that the country faced did not give us nny remember; of course whose signature is option-neither him, nor his successor, nor immaterial; was given while he was the Prime mo, any option but to get assistance from the Minister. IMF. This is what I am saying.

SHRI VISIIWANATH PRATAP SINGH: I would like to refer to the statement About the question of conditionalitios, it is made by the Finance Minister, the then Fi- 519 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 520

[Sh. P.V. Narasimha Rao] alise subsidies, so that they are better di­ rected towards the poor...." nance Minister in Chandra Shekhar Govern­ ment, in Parliament - nowhere else. He “At the same time, the Government says: would improve the revenue collec­ tions, the combination of revenue and SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: ft was expenditure measures to achieve the supported by you; supported by your party. desired fiscal correction. That will be You created that Government. formulated in the coming months and implemented during the next finan­ SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: I think cial year". they don’t seem to be in a mood to hear the truth. What can I do? But, the coming months' saw a change of Government. That is all. So. th© continuity SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: That is the is there. truth. You accepted it. As I said, I am only trying to make a point SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: Today that we had come to a situation where there the soft options stand exhausted. It is now was no alternative; we had to go there. There imperative for us to start making the neces­ was a Consortium, the Consortium said, sary macro economic adjustments. We “Sorry, we are not going to give you anything should have no illusion that fiscal imbal­ your situation is so hopeless; you are not in ances accumulated over several years can a position to repay anything, that we pay you. be eliminated at one stroke. But it is essential Therefore, please do not ask for anything”. that we begin to introduce correctives. Even This is the situation. this will mean harsh decisions and difficult choices. If we are to restore the economic Sir, the latter written by tho Finance reform of the nation, we must face reality Minister also says the something. I do not rather than ignore it. In this context we attach want to read from the letter; but the purport a very high priority to fiscal consolidation. of the letter is that this will be kept under Thus austerity would be the watch word of watch because whfcn a creditoi advances the Government not simply in the current credit, - even if it is a cooperative bank even financial year; but also in 1991-92 and be­ if if is a bank in India and if you give a loan for yond. The Government would continue the the purchase of a buffalo, there is Someone process of fiscal corrections and consolida­ there, to find whether the buffalo exists or tion from the next financial year. We hope to some other animal is being made to stand reduce the fiscal deficit of the Central Gov­ there in the name of the buffalo - this is the ernment significantly....’’ normal practice, Sir.

And here comes the magic figure. Anyone who has run a back and particu­ larly for the villagers, he knows that there is someone looking into the developmental "...significantly, so that it is about 6.5% aspects of it; whether the money has been of GDP in 1991-92." Exactly the same figure properly utilised; whether there is a scheme which was inherited by Dr. Manmohan Singh. by which the person taking the loan will at all, “Such a reduction would be the beginning of be able to return the loan, because a bank is our transition to a sustainable fiscal regime a bank is a bank. A bank is under orders of over a period of three years in which the the Government to work as a bank, to func­ fiscal deficit returns to a range of there to four tion as a bank and not a charity-giving-body. per cent of GDP as it was in the mid-70s. For That is what some parties really wanted to this purpose the Government shall exercise make the banks of. ( Interruptions) A part of a strict control over expenditure and ration­ the malady is because of that. ( Interruptions) 521 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 ( SAKA) President’s Address 522

The Government also re quested a stand -by performance and not on any gimmicks. This arrangement in the first credit tranche, cov­ we will do. ( Interruptions) ering the period through end of March'91. I once again reiterate that we stand by Progress is made to correct the fiscal the promises given by us. In fact, one of the deficit and to improve the balance of pay­ promises which we gave to the people had a ments.'We intent to further support, seek time-frame of four year in it We were sup­ further support. All the decisions and all the posed to do it in four years. We have started intention of seeking assistance, seeking loans doing it in four months, namely the new were common. It i: not as it any new decision Public Distribution System. Wo found it was has been taken. This is one part of the story. urgent enough to be undertaken this year rather waiting for four years. I will come to The other part is while I have inherited that later.( Interruptions) this situation, I would say that what we wanted to do was exactly the right thing and this is So, the question of jeopardising the what we have done. If I was not convinced of economic sovereignty of the country is to­ what we have to do, I would not have done tally irrelevant. It does not arise. I would like this Government would not have done it. to say with all the emphasis at my command that this shall not be allowed. There is no As I said, what was being proposed was question of our affecting in any way the exactly in line with what we promised to the economic sovereignty of the country. people and therefore we accepted it. That is the real clinching argument for accepting it. But what is sovereigi.iy? Sovereignty Now, if that manifesto or what we have said does not consist in not doing anything in in the manifesto is something with which times of peril. Sovereignty consists in keep­ people would not-some parties would not - ing complete control over one’s policies. The agree, the whole wide country is there to give World Bank did not want me to do anything a verdict. ( Interruptions) on the public distribution system. The World Bank did not say anything about anti-poverty SHRI RUPCHAND PAL: You have programmes. If the World Bank tomorrow promised many more things, like ;.ie prices says that you should not have these pro­ would be brought down within hundred grammes, I will say, I am sorry, I have to have d ays. (Interruptions) these programmes whether you like it or not. So, the World Bank will not be able to inter­ SHRI P.V. NARSIMHA RAO: Yes We fere with my internal policy, economic policy have promised many more things and we to any extent. The World Bank certainly may are trying to do many more things. In some have its conditionalities. I will accept them we succeed, in some we do not,... At the end only if they suit me. I will not accept them if of five years, the people will give us the they do not suit me if they go against my verdict. They will take the balance sheet policy. from us; please do not worry about that. (interruptions) Mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee has said some­ thing which is quite meaningful. (Interrup­ SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: You had tions) I so not think that the world situation, promised that you will bring down the prices as I see it today or anyone could see it really within hundred days. What happened to points to unlimited capitalism. I would not that? (Interruptions) agree to that. I would not agree to that as a proposition as I would not agree to have SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: This anything to do with it as a programme in this Government will be completely accountable country. We will have to thing of the pro-poor to the people who have brought it to power. programmes. We will have to think of this At the end of five years, based on its own massive poverty which is ailing the nation. 523 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 524

[Sh P V Narasimha Rao] this isoneof the most promising programmes for the poor that could be thought of It is true There are two nations, three nations in the that the public distnbution system in this world having the same kind of difficulty country has working in a rather unsatisfac­ China has the same kind of difficulty We tory manner because the Central Govern­ have the same kind of difficulty Countries ment does not run the public distribution like Brazil have the same kind of difficulty system It is very clear and perhaps, it should and the advent of total capitalism will not be be clear to anyone who know the Govern­ able to solve our problems We are con­ ment at the State level and at the Central vinced on that That is why we have to have level that the public distribution system runs a third way That third way is that while we partly by whatthe Central Government does open up while we become part of the world But for the rest of it, it has to depend on the economy, we will not allow ourselves to be machinery of the State Government There swamped by the world economy We will is no way I can neither run a fair price shop ha 'a to have our programmes absolutely nor supervise the running of a fair price shop intact because we consider them absolutely It has to be run by the State apparatus and I necessary for our people Therefore, there am glad to say that when the National Devel­ will be no dilution on that We have deliber opment Council took up this matter, the ately included all the programmes for the Chief Ministers, belonging to all parties, very poor in this country in the budget Also in our readily wanted do cooperate in revamping programme, yes some cuts have come, this, taking full advantage of it and I went and because cuts have come generally inaugurated the programme in Rajasthan, not in Andhra Pradesh or Karnataka, be­ If you do not have money, a little cut cause this is not really a party matter I wanted comes here, a bigger cut comes somewhere to take one of the most backward areas and else But we have also tried to restore the go there And the Chief Minister of Rajasthan cuts in some other *ay Cr Manmohan told me that after that inauguration, he has Singh explained how the cut of Rs 500 crore himself visited several districts and he found in rural development has been more than that the programme as revamped as intro­ made up by taking money from the National duced, has been working well There may be Renewal Fund and putting it only for employ­ some lacuna here and there We are pre­ ment programme in the villages (Interrup­ pared to look into those things any time tions) In fact, this has been improved (Inter­ because any programme of this massive ruptions) Either they allow me to speak or magnitude cannot be perfec* all the time If you please give me some protection Those there is imperfection here and there, any­ who have run out of ideas and issues, they thing to be done by us, we will do it and will again start this sheshan kupe na puryet anything to be done by them, they will do it This is one of the programmes in which both That’s all So Sir, this package has Governments, at the State and the Central become better because if I had put Rs 500 levels are working in unison, in tandem and crores in general for rural development, they wuh perfect cooperation and this is how it would have gone into different purpose Now should be This is going to be the real eco this Rs 500 crores or may be about Rs BOO nomic centre of tomorrow in the villages crores or a little more than that, has been put specifically on employment generation pro Not only rice and wheat but whatever grammes and I am glad about it It was to be foodgrams and other things we are giving, earmarked for that purpose because the we have added to what is being made avail­ need for that exists today and we will cer­ able there The State Government are nego­ tainly see that th-s money will be diverted tiating with the producers and with the only to that purpose manufacturers to find that things like match boxes, salt, etc, are brought in bulk to the About the public distrubution system, State and from there distributed to the shops 525 Motion of Thanks on PHALGIJNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 526

It is a very unspecta cular kind of programme, the policy had become known, we have had Sir. not have any fire works here. But the investment to the tune or Rs. 1 000 crores. I point Is that is the programme of tomorrow also added in answering a question that in and that is the programme on which the the next one week or few weeks this figure is entire economic activity of this country will likely to jump from Rs. 1000 crores to Rs. rest. We have taken 1700 blocks particularly 2000 crores. All this is absolutely necessary in the villages. I do not know whether the for our 8th Five Year Plan and the country’s Members have really cared to find out how progress in general because 80 per cent of many blocks are included from within their this investment is coming within the infra­ own constituencies. I would, with folded structure sector. It is not anything unneces­ hands, ask them and request them to do so; sary. It is the most necessary thing for this and visit the shops, go and find out wKether country for which we do not have the money. they are working will or not. If they are not It is quite clear that if we had been falling working well, find out why they are not work­ back on our own resources this kind of ing well. This is the duty of all the Members. investment would not be possible for the (Interruptions) next 20 years. It is coming now the power sector, the fertilizer sector,all the infrastruc­ [Translation] ture sectors are being taken acre of by this investment and I am happy about it. And if, SHRI HARI SINH CHAVDA (Banas- Sir, I do not know whether this is going to kantha): Famine has affected Banaskantha happen, I hope it will, in the course of the 8th but foodgrains are not available. ( Interrup­ Plan if what we have tried to include in 8th tions) Plan cannot be taken up for want of funds and funds are available from abroad, invest­ [English] ment comes from abroad to complete this plan and part of that scheme, whatever money SHRI P. V NARASIMHA RAO: Now. is released from our own resources will go to we have released four million tonnes more the anti-poverty programme. This is the kind foodgrains this year and still, stocks are low. of tie up which we want to do and we have We have to import, it has been done over the taken a decision to that effect. We have told years. We have imported and exported. But the Planning Commission that this is how the reason for exports is what is really rele­ this tie up has to be properly planned. vant here. When the decision to export ten lakh tonnes of what was taken in 1990, it was The employment aspect also has come not because we were overflowing with wheat. up for lot of comments. Some Members It was because we were in desperate need of been to have said that all we have promised foreign exchange. Now, this is the kind of in employment is not correct. ( Interruptions) thing which we should avoid. We should not dispose of our stocks; we should not allow MR. SPEAKER: Will you please keep our bufferstocks to come down under any quiet. circumstances and this is the lesson of the last two or three years. Therefore, we will SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: The have to take that as a policy postulate and we Railway Minister, Sir, has announced that should always stick to it. Whatever happens over 6000 kms of metergauge will be con­ on the food front, ws should never be found verted into broadgauge. This is a labour to be in any distress and this I would say will intensive programme. It has been calcu­ be the policy of this Government. lated...

Sir, on the industrial side, I have already SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO answered question in Parliament. The de­ VADDE (Vijayawada): What about the elec­ tails have been given that the investment tric locomotives? BHEL has offered to sup­ climate has improved enormously and within ply the same. Are you going to give it to the... the lastf ew months, four or five months since (Interruptions) 527 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9. 1992 President's Address 528

SHRI P V NARASIMHA RAO Each encouraged and proud at being told by the Kilometer is calculated to generate an President of India for the first time that we employment potential of 18,000 to 22.000 have made a break through in literacy It was mandays At this rate if we take up 6000 Km, said that India is going to have the dubious on can calculate how much it will be The distinction of having the largest number of Planning Commission has come up with illiterates at the turn of the century From the some figures In the 8th Plan Presidential Address, it appears that that dubious distinction is going to be averted I SHRI BASU DCB ACHARIA What about feel over-joyed at that one factor which he the new lines’ has mentioned Literacy amongst girls is increasing Where is it increasing’ It is in SHRI P V NARASIMHA RAO The creasing in the Northern States, not in Ker only difficulty is that we do not really read ala Kerala, there is nothing to increase anything before we say something because it is already covered It is increasing in the Northern State Himachal Pradesh The Planning Commission has given us has done excellent work in literacy pro the figures of employment agriculture-4 16 grammes Other State also are coming up millions, mining and quarrying 0 13 million, So, at the end of the century, the future manufacturing 1 36million, construction 59 Indian citizen will not have to hang his head million electricity - 03 million transport and in shame that in his country largest number communications* 28 million, and other serv­ of illiterates live So many programmes which ices totalling up to 8 89 million per year This have been mentioned in this are programmes is what we have promised more or less in the about which we can legitimately be proud Manifesto Apart from this, a massive pro and I would not like to measure the worth of gramme of afforestation and waste land a para by the length of the para That is development is being undertaken and one difficult can imagine that the cumulative effect of all these programmes can hardly be less than Sir, now, the programme of the minori what wo have promised to the people and ties Again many comments caustic and that will be completed otherwise, have been made about the Mi norittes Commission I would like to an About the unemployed, this cannot be nounce to the House, Sir that the Minorities useful for them It is obvious They have to be Commission is going to be given statutory given opportunities for self employment only status in this Session itself Everything is in the context of rapid industrialisation of the ready and I am sure, we will be able to do country I would like to know from any hon that So, that has been a long standing Member or economist, if there is any other demand long standing proposal, we ac way I do not see only other way excepted cepted it, we wish to-complete it and we wish rapid mdusrialisation of the country to fulfil it in this Session

In the agricultural sector, whatever is I have explained certain foreign policy possible for self-employment, will be taken aspects on several occasions in the House up but at the same time it is industrialisation There is only one important decision which that will do the trick in regard to the employ­ seems to have created a difference of opin­ ment opportunities in this country So, that ion and that is having diplomatic relations has been decided upon with Israel Sir. when we talk of recognising Israel,I do not know what the hon Members Sir, Atalji has made a very unkind really mean because Israel stands recog­ comment about education I would like to nised We recognised it long ago when say, Sir that what has been said in that Para Panditji was alive What we have done is, we 30 of the President's Address gives us some have decided to have diplomatic relations encouragement in fact, they should feel We have a Consulate already in Bombay 529 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 530

Today, we have a situation where In­ be absolutely crucial m the coming years. dia's participation in the Middle-East peace We have to have a little foresight for these process, for the sake of fighting for the cause matters. We take the flak temporarily. But at of the Palestinians has become more impor­ the same time we have done the right thing tant than anything else. I do not want to and I am fully convinced that what we have divulge personal discussions, etc. But with a done is the right thing. full sense of responsibility I could say that this is a decision which is going to be found I have covered all the points that were very useful, very useful in the Middle-East raised. Of course, there will be points which peace process. We could have waited two need not have been raised but have been more years, we could have waited four more raised. I would not like to waste the time of years. The only difficulty would have been the House. I would like to conclude by saying that we would have been the only country left that this question raised, the slogan that has out of the whole world. That kind of isolation been raised is rather unfortunate, that there was not acceptable to us. And at the same is some danger, some jeopardy, to the eco­ time, the part that India— you will see— will nomic sovereignty of the country. play in that Middle-East, peace process, hon Members on some occasion will compliment I would like to refute it with all my me for have taken that decision. might.with all the emphasis at my command and I am prepared for any test on this. What Today, in view of the difference of opin­ we have done is the right thing. ion that has existed, today, in spite of the fact that what we have considered absolutely I have been addressing students, I have right we have done, there seems to be some been addressing young men, I have been doubt in the minds of friends. Some friends addressing villagers in their lakhs, and I find really expressed those doubts to me. I have that when they are told that the licence- nothing to say about those doubts, except to permit Raj is coming to an and , and has assure them that those doubts are un­ come to an end, the kind of response you get founded. We stand by the Palestinian cause from them is tremendous. as strongly as over before and this cause will be fully served by the decision taken by India Yes, there is achange. There is a change and perhaps not so well otherwise. This is ' in our orientation but there is no change in what I want. our objective. I want to be absolutely clear. That objective remains. I cannot fulfil that SHRIMATI MALINIBHATTACHARAYA objective by the old methods. I have to (Jadavpur).Why is the Government silent on chafhged. The whole would has changed. Israel bombing of the Palestinian tanks? There is no justification for India not to change when the objective which we wanted to SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: We are achieve till yesterday by some other means not silent on anything done by Israel against needs a different means today. That Is the the Palestinians. We have never been - pragmatic approach which we have under­ never been- silent on anything. We have taken, without changing the objective with­ never been silent on anything. ( Interrup­ out giving up the objective. We have gone tions) into every detail of whether there was an alternative. I really do not know. Almost every coun­ try, there is hardly an/country excepting the SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: There was. neighbouring countries with whom the dis­ pute exists, they have done it because they SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO: There wanted to play a role in this. Middle-East is was’nt. I am prepared to have it discussed in going to be one of the most important the­ this House. I am prepared to have a full atres in which the role of a country is going to debate of the House. This is only for an 531 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9 1992 President's Address 532

{Sh P V Narasimha Rao] amendment No 1 on unemployment and amendment No 4 on price rise amend ment This is a vary smallthmg Let us have a debate What were the alternatives (English) available to India? What are the alternatives available to India today? Leave alone eight SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE months back, what are the alternatives (Bolpur) I want to have a division on the available to India today? I shall have an open following amendment numbers. mind I am fully convinced that what we are doing is the correct thing If some one can 881,780 and 790 convince this House, convince me that there is another way equally viable, equally effec­ SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore) tive in the world of today, I will not flinch from Sir, I want to have a division on the following it But I must say again and again that what serial numbers I have done is the correct thing and this conviction has given me so much encour 387 relating to unemployment agement to go ahead with this programme 620 relating to New Industrial I want national consensus, which already Polirv exists Consensus does not mean unanim 628 relating to conditionalities ity All that I can say is, consensus means which affect on economic unanimity minus Mr V P Singh unanimity sovereignty minus Mr Chatterjee, unanimity minus a few 336 re'atmg to land reforms, and individuals (Interruptions) I understand that 104" re -aing to price rise our friends in the CPI (M) have objections I recognise that But in spite of that, I have to SHRI Ci ITTA BASU (Barasat I want say that this new reform package and the my amendment No 28 regarding economic line we have taken has the vast majority of sovereignty, *o the President’s Address to the population of this country behind it stand be put sepp'ately to the yote of the House ing like a rock It will be so and we will follow it (Interruptions) SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA (BER- HAMPORE) I want my amendments No SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN (Rosera) 1005, 1010, 1011 and 1013 to the Presi­ What about the Mandal Commission?The dent s Address to fc>e put separately to the Prime Minister did not mention a word about vote of the house the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and the backward classes (Interruptions) SHRI SYED SHAHABUDOIN (Kishan qanj) I want my amendments No 657 and MR SPEAKER A number of amend­ C62 to the President's Address to be sepa ments have been moved by the Members to rately to the vote of the House the Motion of thanks on Presidents Ad dress Shall I put all the amendment to the SHRIMATl MALINI BHATTACHAR- vote of the House together? Or does any AYA I want my amendments No 340,342, hon Member want any amendments to be 807 and 819 to the President’s Address to be put separately? put separately to the vote of the House

Shri Dhumat SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN I want amendment No 369 to he President's Ad­ [ Translation] dress to be put-separately to the vote of the House

PROF PREM DHUM4 (Hamirpur) SHRI SUDHIR GIRI (Contai) I want my Mr Speaker, Sir, 1 1 emand a division on my amendments No 219, 223, 231, 233 and 533 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 534

1,027 to the Presid ent’s Address to be put (English) separately to the vote of the House. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzaf- PROF. SUSANTA CHAKRABORTY farpur): Sir. I want my amendment nos. 820 (Howrah): Sir, I want my amendment No. and 825 to the President's Address to be put 365 to the President’s Address to be put separately to the Vote of the House separately to the vote of the House. SHRI JITENDRA NATH DAS (Jalpaig- 18.00 hra. uri): Sir, I want my amendment nos. 184, 185, 189, 190, 193 and 194 to the Presi­ SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): Sir, I dent’s Address to be put separately to the am on a point of order. It is six p.m. now. Vote of the House. ( Interruptions)

Mr. SPEAKER: I uphold your point of MR. SPEAKER: I shall put amendment order. But I think the House wants to dispose Nos. 1 and moved by Shri Dhumal to the of today’s business and then rise. vote of the House.

SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: What (Jahanabad): Sir, I want my amendments about our amendments? ( Interruptions) nos. 293, 294 and 295 to the President’s Address to be Put... SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA. I failto under­ stand your procedure. There are so many MR. SPEAKER: You have not moved amendmentson the same subject. Why don’t them. you drop them?

SHRI SUDARSAN RAY CHAUDHURI MR. SPEAKER: I will explain to you. (Serampore): Sir, I want my amendments nos. 431, 432, 438, 440 and 449 to the [ Translation] president’s Address to be put separately to the Vote of the House. ( Interruptions) SHRI SHARAD YADAV (Madhepura): It has all along been a convention. Why do [Translation] you not want to have it today’ ( Interruptions)

SHRI MOHAMMAD YUNUS SALEEM [English] (Katihar): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to draw your attention to the fact that it is 6 O ’Ciock MR. SPEAKER: Please don’t disturb now and you know that we are no fast today. me . Why are you shouting from there? I 'Tabalib-e-Ramzan Sharif’ has begun. We have to hear everybody. Please help me. have to offer prayer (namaz). After that we have to perform taravi in mosque. We shall [Translation] be extremely grateful to you if you put it to vote tomorrow. It is very difficult for us as you The convention is that we ask the House are putting it to vote at the time of prayer and whether all the amendment are to be put to fast. Usually the House sits up to 6 p. m. so the vote of the House together. It somebody it will be better if the voting is allowed tomor­ does not agree, then presiding officer has no row. authority to put hts amendment together. That is why I have called for the names of (Interruptions) those who want to move their amendments separately. You have given your names for MR. SPEAKER: It is all right. I will see. yotir respective amendments. Now the prob- le. i is that sane tyn*» of amendments have (iInterruptions) been giv«*p by one or two Members sepa- 535 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 536 ralely for exam ple, “Right to Work” There Let the lobbies be cleared. was no need to rise to speak on the same amendment separately But since you have Now, the Lobbies have been cleared spoken, I have to see how many such amend­ ment are there ( Interruptions) You please Before I put the amendment I would like listen to me first and then express your to read out as to how the voting has to be views Now I am putting amendment one by done in the House for the benefit of new one One more point is there Some Mem­ Members A push button set containing a bers have moved same type of amend­ pilot light and three push buttons, mustard ments, if one such amendment is defeated, button for 'Aye', red button for ‘No’ and a there is no need to put the other amendment black buttor for ’Abstention’ together with a to the vote of the House I was thinking that push switch suspended by a wire has been you are awaro of all these ♦hmgs provided at the seat of every Member When the machine is made active on anowunce- (Intenuptions) ment by the Chair ‘now Division’, a gong sounds which is the signal to the Members to (English) cast their vote Each Member has to press the push switch and then operate one of the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJLEI Mayl three buttons, that is, for ‘Aye’, 'NO’ or make a submission Sir? Regarding the ‘Abstention’ according to his own choice number we have given, I believe everybody The push switch and the push button must will agree that ail those numbers may be put be kept pressed simultaneous'y until the togelher gong sounds for the second time after 10 seconds A pilot lamp on the push button MR SPEAKER No, I w.ll switch will glow simultaneously with the pressing of the button and the push switch SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Why and the glowing of this light indicates thai the not’ (Interruptions) vote has been recorded by the equipment If the Members is not able to record his vote by MR SPEAKER Please It is going to be pressing the button, he may please stand up very difficult because there are so many at his seat and record the vote through siips amendment I am putting Shri Uhumal’s to be given to him by the Division Clerk amendment And if the office will check those amendments, amendment Nos 1 and 4, MR SPEAKER The question is

SHRI SOMNATH CHAT! ERJEE They That at the motion, the following be are on different subjects added, namely -

MR SPEAKER I will not put amend­ ‘but regret that the Address does not ments Nos 1 and 4 if the same kind of mention any effective action plan to amendment are moved by some one else, it solve the growing problem of unem­ is not necessary to put them here ployment amongst the youth go the country" (1 ) SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE They are on different >ssues Amendment No 1 is That at the end of the motion, the follow­ on unemployment and amendment No 4 is ing be added, namely- on price rise ( Interruptions)

“but regret that the Address does not MR SPEAKER I shall put amendments mention about any effective and far- Nos 1 and 4 moved by Shri Prem Dhumal to reaching measures to check the the vote of the House continuous rising trend in the prices S37 Motion o f Thanks on PHALGUNA19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 538

of essential co mmodities and other Chatterjee, Shri Nirmai Kanti consumer goods of use to the com­ mon man." (4) Chatterjee, Shri Somnath

The Lok Sabha dhidqfi: Chaudhay, Shri Rudarsen

18.16 hr» Chauhan. Shri Chetan P. S.

Division No. 2 Chauhan, Shri Shivraj Singh

AYES Chavda, Shri Harismh

A Chhatwai, Shri Sartaj Singh

Abedya Nath, Mahant Chhotey Lai, Shri

Achana, Shri Basu Deb Chikhiia, Shrimati Bhavna

Advani. Shri Lai K. Choudhary, Shri Ram Tahal

Agnihotri, Shri Rajendra Choudhury, Shri Saifuddin,

Ansari, Shri Mumtaz Chowdary, Dr. K. V. R.

Azam. Dr. Faiyazul Chowdhary. Shri Pankaj

B D

Baitha, Shri Mahendra Das, Shri Dwaraka Nath

Bala. Dr. Asim Das, Shri Jitendra Nath

Bandaru, Shri Dattatraya Das, Shri Ram Sunder

Barman. Shri Palas Datta, Shri Amai

Barman, Shri Uddhab Deshmukh, Shri Chandubhai

Basu, Shri Anif Dharmabhiksham, Shri

Basu, Shri Chitta Dhumai, Prof. Prem

Bhargava, Shri Girdhari Lai Dikshit, Shri Shreesh Chandra

Bhattacharaya, Shrimati Maltni Dome, Dr. Ram Chandra

Bhattacharya, Shri Nani Drona, Shri Jagat Vir Singh

C F

Chakraborty, Prof. Susanta Fatmi, Shri Mohammad Ali Ashraf 539 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 PnskSenVs Address 540

'Fernandas, Shri George Kamal, Shri Shyam Lai

Fundkar, Shri Pandurang Pundlik Kapse, Shri Ram

G Kashwan. Shri Ram Singh

Gangwar, Dr. P. R. Katheria, Shri Pra bhu Dayal

Gangwar, Shri Santosh Kumar Katiyar, Shri Vinay

Gautam, Shrimati Sheela Kesri Lai, Shri

Ghafoor, Shri Abdul Khan, Shri Sukhendu

Ghangare, Shri Ramchandra Marotrao Khandelwal, Shri Bhuwan Chandra

Giri. Shri Sudhir Kharana, Shri Madan Lai

Girija Devi, Shrimati Kori, Shri Gaya Prasad

Gohil, Dr. Mahavirsinh Harisinhji Krishnendra Kaur (Deepa), Shrimati

Gopalan, Shrjjnati Suseela Kumar, Shri Nithis

Gowda. Prof. K. Venkatagiri Kumar, Shri V. Dhananjaya

Gupta, Shri Indrajit Kunjee Lai, Shri

H Kusmaria, Shri Ramkrishna

Hossain, Shri Syed Masudal L

J Laljan Basha, Shri S. M.

Jai Prakash, Shri Lodha, Shri Guman Mai

Jaswant Singh, Shri M

Jatiya, Shri Satynarayan Madhukar, Shri Kamla Mishra

Jena, Shri Srikanta Mahajan, Shrimati Sumitra

Jeswani. Dr. K. D. Mahato, Shri Bir Singh

Jha, Shri Bhogendra Mahendra Kumar, Shrimati

Joshi, Shri Anna Malik, Shri Purna Chandra

Joshi, Shri Dau Dayal Mallikarjunaiah, Shri S.

K Mandal, Shri Brahmanand

Kalka Das, Shri Mandal, Shri Sanat Kumar 541 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19, 1913 (SAKA) President's Address 542

Manjay Lai, Shri Patel, Shri Haribhai Maurya, Shri Anand Ratna Patel, Shri Ram Pujan Mishra, Shri Ram Nagina Patel, Shri Somabhai Misra, Shri Janardan Pathak, Shri Harin Misra, Shri Satyagopat Pathak, Shri Surendra Pal Mohan Singh, Shri Patidar, Shri Rameshwar Moiiah, Shrr Hannan Patnaik, Shri Sivaji Mukherjee, Shrimati Geeta Pramanik, Shri Radhika Ranjan Mukherjee, Shri Subrata Prasad, Shri Hari Kewal Mukhopadyay, Shri Ajoy Prem, Shri B. L. Sharma Munda, Shri Govind Chandra Premi, Shri Mangal Ram Munda, Shri Kariya Purkayastha, Shri Kabindra Murmu, Shri Rup Chand R N Rai, Shri Lall Babu Naik, Shn Ram Raje, Shrimati Vasundhara O Oraon, Shri Laiit Rajesh Kumar, Shri

P Raj Narain, Shri

Pal, Shri Rupchand Ram, Shri Prem Chand

Pandeya, Or. Laxminarayan Ram Badan, Shri

Passi, Shri Balraj Ramdew Ram, Shri

Paswan, Shri Chhedi Rana, Shri Kashiram

Paswan, Shri Ram Vilas Rao, Shri D. Venkateswara

Paswan, Shri Sukdeo Rawal, Dr, Lai Bahadur

Patel, Or. Amrit Lai Kalidas Rawat, Shri Bhagwan Shankar

Patel, Shri Brishin Rawat, Prof. Rasa Singh

Patel, Shri Chandresh Ray, Shri Rabt 543 Motion otThmnks on MARCH 9,1992 P m skbnt '9 A d d r w 544

Ray, Dr, Sudhir Singh, Shri Ram Prasad

Raychaudhuri, Shri Sudarsan Singh, Shri Rameshray Prasad

Reddy, Shri B. N. Singh, Shri Ramnarash

Rongpi, Dr. Jayanta Singh, Shri Rampal

Roy, Shri Haradhan Singh, Shri Satya Dao

Roypradhan, Shri Amar Singh, Shri Surya Narayan

S Singh, shri Vishwanath Pratap

Salaam, Shri Mohammad Yunus Sinha, Shri Shiva Sharan

Sanghani, Shri Dlleep Bhai Soren, Shri Shfcu

Saroda, Dr. Gunvant Rambhayu Sur, Shri.Monoranjan

Saindia, Shrimati Vijayaraje Swami, Shri Chinmayanand

SethC Shri Arjun Charan Swami, Shri Surashanand

Shah, Shri Manabendra Syad Shahabuddin, Shri

Shakya, Dr. MahadaapaK Singh • T

Sharma, Shri Jaavan Tandel, Shri D. J.

Sharma, Shri Rajandra Kumar Taj Narayan Singh, Shri

Shastri, Acharya Vishwanath Das Thakore, Shri Gabhaji Mangaji

Shukla, Shri Astbhuja Prasad Tirkey, Shri Pius

Singh, Shri Abhay Pratap Tomar. Dr. Ramash Chand

Singh, Shri Brijbhushan Sharan Topdar. Shri Tarit Baran

Topiwala, Shrimati Dipika H Singh, Dr. Chattrapa! Tripat hi, Shri Lakshmi Naram Mani Singh. Shri Hari Kishora Tripat hi, Shri Prakash Narain Singh, Shri Jangbir

Singh, Shri Pratap Tripat hy, Shri Braja Kishora

Singh. Shri Rajveer Trivadi, Shri Arvind

Singh. Shri Ram U 645 Motion of Thank* on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) Pnaktonfa Address 546

Um* Bharti, Kuma ri A

Ummaraddy Vankataawarlu, Prof. AdakalaraJ, Shri L.

Unnfcrishnan, Shri K. P. Ahamad, Shri E.

V Ahirwar, Shri Anand

Vaghela, Shri Shankersinh Ahmad, Shri Kamaiuddin

Vajpayaa, Shri Atai Bihari Aiyar, Shri Mani Shankar

Varma, Shri Ratilal Akbar Pasha, Shri B

Vaarappa, Shri Ramchandra Anbarasu Era, Shri

Vakaria. Shri Shivlal Nagjibhai Anthony, Shri Frank

Varma, Shrimati Rita Antuiay, Shri A. R.

Varma, Shri Sushil Chandra Arunachalam, Shri M.

Varma, Shri Upendra Nath Asokaraj, Shri A.

Y Athhhan, Shri R. Dhanuskodi

Yadav, Shri Chandra Jaat B

Yadav, Shri Chun Chun Prasad Banarjae, Kumari Mamata

Yadav, Shri Devendra Prasad Bansal, Shri Pawan Kumar,

Yadav, Shri Ram Lakhan Singh Bhadana, Shri Avtar Singh

Yadav, Shri RamSaran Bhagat, Shri Viahwashwar

Bhagay Gobardhan, Shri Yadav, Dr. S. P. • Bahakta, Shri Manoranjan Yadav, Shri Sharad

yadav, Shri Surya Narayan Bhandari, Shrimati Dit Kumari

Yadav, Shri Vijoy Kumar Bhardwaj, Shn Paras Ram

Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai Z Bhoi, Dr. Krupasindhu

Zainal Abadin. Shri Bhonsla, Shri Prataprao B.

NOES Bhonsla, Shri Tajsinghrao 547 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 548

Bhuria, Shri Dileep Singh Deter. Shri Mohan S.

Birbal, Shri Dennis, Shri N.

Brar, Shri Jagmeet Singh Deora. Shri Murli

Brohmo Chaudhury, Shri Satyendra Deshmukh, Shri Anantrao Nath Deshmukh, Shri Ashok Anandrao Buta Singh, Shri Dev, Shri Sontteh Mohan C Devarajan, Shri B. Chako. Shri P. C. Devegowda, Shri H. D. Chaliha, Shri Kirip Devi. Shrimati Bfcbu Kumari Chandrakar, Shri £handulal Dighe, Shri Sharad Chandrasekhar, Shrimati Maragatham Digvijaya Singh, Shri Charles, Shri A. Diwan, Shri Pawan Chaudhary, Shri Kama! Dutt. Shri Sunil Chaudhary, Shri Ram prakash F Chaudhri, Shri Narain Singh* Faleiro, Shri Eduardo Chaure, Shri Bapu Hari Farook, Shri M. O. H. Chavan, Shri Prithviraj D. Fernandas, Shri Oscar Chavda, Shri Ishwarbhai Khodabhai G Chennithala, Shri Ramesh

Chidambaram, Shri P. Gafcwad, Shri Udaysingrao

Chinta Mohan, Dr, Gajapathi, Shri Gopi Nath

Chowdhary, Shrimati Santosh Gamit, Shri Chhitubhai

Chowdhury, Shri A. B. A. Ghani Khan GavH, Shri Manikrao Hodiya

D Gehtot, Shri Ashok

Dadahoor, Shri Gurcharan Singh Ghatowar, Shri Paban Singh

Damor, Shri Somjibhai Giriyappa. Shri C. P. Mudala

Deka. Shri Probin Gogot, Shri Tarun 549 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 550

Gomango, Shri Giridhar Kamat, Shri Gurudas

Gudadinni, Shri B. K. Kamble, Shri Arvind Tulshiram

Gundewar, Shri Vitasrao Nagnathrao Kamson, Prof. M.

H Kanithi, Dr. Viswanatham

Handique, Shri Bijoy Krishna Karreddula, Shrimati Kamala Kumari

Harchand Singh, Shri Kasu, Shri Venkata Krishna Reddy

Hooda, Shri Bhupinder Singh Kaul, Shrimati Sheila

I Kaur, Shrimati Sukhbuns

Imchalemba, Shri Kewal Sing, Shri

Inder Jit, Shri Khan, Shri Aslam Sher

Islam, Shri Nurul Khan, Shri Ayub

J Khursheed, Shri Salman

Jaffer Sharief, Shri C. K. Konathala, Shri Rama Krishna

Jakhar, Shri Balram Krishan Kumar, Singh S.

Janarthanan, Sir M. R. Kadambur Krishnaswamy, Shri M.

Jangde, Shri Khelan Ram Kshirsagar, Shnmati Kesharbai Sonaji

Jatav, Shri Bare Lai Kudumula, Kumari Padamasree

Jawali, Dr. B. G. Kuli, Shri Balin

Jayamohan, Shri A. Kumaramangalam, Shri C. K.

Jhikram, Shri Mohanial Kurien, Prof. F. J.

K L

Kahandole, Shri Z. M. Lakshmanan, Prof. Sav'ithri

Kairon, Shri Surinder Singh M

Kale, Shri Shankarrao D. Made Gowda, ShriG.

KaHaperumal, Shri P. P. Malik, Dharampal Singh

Kamai Nath, Shri Mallikarjun, Shri 551 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9.1092 Praaldanra A d dnaa 552

Mallu, Dr. R. Natam, Shri Arvfnd

Mane, Shri Rajaram Shankarrao Nikam, Shri Govindrao

Marbaniang, Shri Peter G. NYamagouda, Shri S.R.

Maaood, Shri Rashaad O

Mathaw. Shri Pala K.M. Odayar, Shri Channaiah

Mathur, Shri Shiv Charan P Meena, Shri Bharu LaL Padma, Dr. (Shrimati) Magha, Shri Datta Pal. Dr. Dabi Prosad Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram Palacholla, Shri Venkata Rangayya Mirdha, Shri Ram' Niwas Naidu

Mujahid. Shri B. M. Pandian, Shri D.

Muniyappa, Shri K.H. Panigrahi, Shri Sriballav

Muralea Dharan, Shri K. Panja, Shri Ajlt

Murthy, Shri M.V. Chandrashekara Panwar, Shri Harpai

Murugasan, Dr. N. Patal, Shri Praful

Muttemwar, Shri Vilas Patel, Shri Shravan Kumar

N Patel, Shri Uttambhai Harjibhai

Patill, Shri Anwari Basavaraj Naik. Shri A. Vankatash Patil, Shri Prakash V. Naik, Shri G. Devaraya

Naikar, Shri D. K. Patil, Shrimati Pratibha Devising

Nandi, Shri Yellaiah Patil, Kumari Surya Kanta

Narayanan. Shri K. R. Patil, Shri Uttamrao Daorao

Narayanan, Shri P.G. Patil, Shn Vijay Naval

Nawata, Shri Vidura VHhoba Patill, Shri Yashwantrao

Nayak. Shri Mrutyunjaya Patra, Dr. Kartikeswar

Nayak, Shri Subash Chandra Pawar, Shri Sharad 553 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA19,1913 {SAKA) President s Address 554

Pawar, Dr. Vasarit Niwruttl Rathva, Shri Naranbhi Jamlabhai

Peruman, Dr. P. Vallal Rawat, Shri Prabhu Lai

Pilot, Shr! Rajeah Reddy, Shri Anantha Venkata

Poosapati, Shri Anandgajapati Raju Reddy. Shri M. Baga

Potdukha, Shr, Shantaram Reddy, Shri M. G.

Prabhu, Shri R. Reddy, Shri Magunta Subbarama

Prabhu Zantye, Shri-Harish Narayan Reddy, Shri R.Surender

Pradhani, Shri K. Reddy, Shri Vijaya Bhaskara

Prasad, Shri V. Sreenivasa Reddy, Shri Y. S. Rajsekhar

R S

Rahi, Shri Ram Lai Sadul, Shri Dharmanna Mondayya

Rai, Shri Kalp Nath Sai, Shn A. Pratap

Rajaravivarma, Shri 8 Sahi, Shrimati Krishna

Rajandra Kumar, Shri S. S. R. Sait, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman

Rajoshwaran, Dr. V. Sajjan Kumar. Shn

Rarjeswari, Shrimati Basava Sangma, Shri Pumo A. *% Rajulu, Dr. R. K. G. Sayeed. Shn P. M.

Ram Babu, Shri A. G.S. Scindia, Shri Madhavrao

Ram Singh. Rao Selja, Kumari

Ramchandran, Shri Muliapally Shankaranand, Shri B.

Ramamurthy, Shri K. Sharma, Shri Chiranji Lai

Ramasamy, Shri Rajagopal Naidu Shama, Shri Satish Kumar

Rao. Shri J. Chokka Shingda, Shri Damu Barku

Rao, Shri P.V. Narsimha Shivappa, Shri Kodakani Gowdana

Rao, Shri V. Krishna Shukla, Shri Vidyacharan

Rath, Shri Rama Chandra Sidnal, Shri S. B. 555 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9.1992 President's Address 556

Silvera, Dr. C. Tharadavi Siddhartha, Shrimati D. K.

Thomas, Prof. K.V. Singh, Shri Ajit Thomas, Shri P.C. ' Singh, ShriArjun Thorat, Shri Sandipan Bhagwan Singh. Shri Dalbir Thungon, ShriP. K. Singh, Shri Kheisai Tindivanam, Shri K. Ramamurthee Singh. Shri Manphool Tope, Shri Ankushrao Raosaheb Singh, Shri Motilal Topno, Kumari Frida Singh, Kumari Pushpa Devi Tytler, Shri Jagdish Singh. Shri S. B. U Singh, Shri K.P. Umbrey, Shri Lacta Singla, Shri Sant Ram Upadhyay, Shri Swarup Sodi, Shri Manku Ram Urs, Shrimati Chandra Prabha Solanki, Shri Surajbhanu

(Sharimati) K. S. V

Vandayar, Shri K. Thuiasiah Srinivasan, Shri Chinnasamy Verma, Shri Bhawani Lai Sukh Ram, Shri Verma. Kumari Vimia Sultanpuri, Shri Krishan Dutt Vijayaraghavan, Shri V. S. Sundararaj, Shri N. Vyas, Dr. Girija Suresh, Shri Kodikkunil W Swamy, Shri G. Venkat Wasnik, Shri Mukul Balkrishna

T Williams, Shri R. G.

Y Tara Singh, Shri Yadav, Shri Satya Pal Singh Thakur, ShrUfehandra Kumar Singh Yashpal, Shri

Thangkababu, Shri K.V. MR. SPEAKER: Subject to oorrec- 557 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 558

tion*, the result of the division is: moving the amendments serially?

. Ayes : 210 MR. SPEAKER: I need explain every point I have already explained. Please take Noes : 262 your seat.

The motion was negatived SHRI CHITTA BASU: Are you moving the amendments serially? MR. SPEAKER: For the benefit of hon. Members, let the focus lights be switched off. MR. SPEAKER: I am calling the name oftheMemberwhohas given methe amend­ (Interruptions) ments, here one after the other. I understand that sometimes it is dfficult to adjust the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: May I numbers in a serial order. So please bear make a proposal to the hon. Prime Minister. with me. This time, most of the hon. Mem­ You make my nephew the Minister for bers wanted their amendments to be put Management.’ differently. That is why, we have to put up with this little bit of irregularity. (Interruptions) SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Amendment No. 807 is Shrimati Malini Bhattacharya's amendment. MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put the amendment Nos. 780, 790, 807 and 881 to MR. SPEAKER: Don’t you want to dub the vote of the House. it with others?

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: No. (Bolpur). Is my vote recorded? MR SPEAKER: ft is aN right. I shad now MR. SPEAKER: Yes. You will be put amendment Nos. 780, 790 and 881 given a photo-copy. moved by Shri Somnath Chatterjee to the vote of the house. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Midntpore): You are clubbing together the amendments Amendments No. 780, 790 and 881 were standing in the name of a particular Member, put and negatived not subject wise but member by member. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Now MR. SPEAKER: Yes. we want the amendment No. 807.

SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): Are you MR. SPEAKER: I am calling It. You

T h e foMowinf^Members also recorded their Votes:

AYES: Sarvashri Sobhandreeswara Rao Vadde, Mr. Ramanna Rai. Sura) Mandal. Yaima Singh Yumnam, Bhubaneshwr Prasad Mehata, ThayH John Anjalose, N. K. Baliyan, Dr, G. L. Kanaujia, Shrimati Saroj Dubey, Shri Roshan Lai, Shri’Shashi Prakash, Shri Nawal Kishore Rai. Shri Virendhra Singh, Shri Devi Bux, Shri V. N. Sharma. Shri Yogannand Saraswati, Shri Gangaram KoK, Shri Ram Narain Berwa, Acharya Vishwanath Das Shastri, Shri Shyam Blhari Misra and Dr. Sakshiji.

NOES: Sarvashri Harilal Nanji Patel, Gangadhar Sat^paHi, R. Jeevarathfnam, Sarat Chandra Pattanayak, Gurcharan Singh Galb, Sudhir Sawant and Shri Muhi Ram Saikia. 559 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9.1992 PmaUanta Addnas 560 wanted K to be put se parately. I am calling MR. SPRAKER: The Lobbies have been Shrimati Malini Bhattacharaya's amandmant cleared. Again I have to request you not to later on. I will do it definitely. I was Including leave your seats, go outside or come into the it. But you wanted it separately.! will call Lobby or stard in the Gangway in between. Shrimati Malini Bhattacharyfe later on. I shall now put the amendment number 807 moved by Shrimati Malini Bhattacharaya to SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: You the vote of the House. call the amendment 607. The question is: MR. SPEAIfER: Has Shrimati Malini Bhattacharaya given the amendment? That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely:- SHRIMATI MALINI BHATTACHAR­ AYA: Yes. *but regret that there is no mention in the Address about the need to MR. SPEAKER: You given the amend­ include ment. I am sure you do not want division on 'Right to Work' as a Fundamental this. Right in the Constitution.’ M(807)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: We The Lok Sabha Divided want 807 only.

MR. SPEAKER: Yes. Division No. 3

If you really want the Division to be 18.32 hrs. taken on the other amendments, I would request the Member not to leave the Cham­ AYES ber and go out in the Outer Lobby because we shall have to wait lor them to come. As I A have many amendments here, if there are going to be many Divisions, it would b e . Acharia, Shri Basu Deb practicaty difficult for us to finish them within the time available. Anjatose, Shri Thayil John

(Interruptions) Ansari, Shri Mumtaz

SHIRMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE (Panskura): Sir, what about amendment B number 603? It relates to Right to work. Are you clubbing allthese amendments together? Baitha, Shri Mahendra

MR. SPEAKER: May I tell you one thing. Bala, Dr. Asim Alt the amendments moved by the Member will be put to the vote of the House. Those Barman, Shri Palas Members who want their amendments to be put to the vote of the House separately, we Barman. Shri Uddhab are doing that. At the end, we will club all the amendments which are not put to the vote of Basu, Shri Anil the House and then we will take the sense of the House and then we will dddde. Basu, Shri Chitta

Now, let the Lobbies be cleared. Bhattacharaya, Shrimati Malini 561 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19, 1913 (SAKA) President's Address 562

Bhattacharya, Shri Nani J

C Jena, Shri Srikanta

Chakraborty, Prof. Susanta Jha, Shri Bhogendra

Chatterjee, Shri Nirmai Kanti K

Chatterjee, Shri Somnath Khan, Shri Sukhendu

Choudhury, Shri Saifuddin, Kumar, Shri Nitish

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Oas, Shri Jitendra Nath Laljan Basha, Shri S. M.

Datta, Shri Ram Sunder M

Das, Shri Amal Madhukar, Shri Kamia Mishra

Dharmabhkfeham, Shri Mahato. Shri Bir Singh

Dome, Dr. Ram Chandra Malik, Shri Puma Chandra (Durgapur)

Dubey, Shrimati Saroj Mandai, Shri Sana! Kumar

F Manjay Lai, Shri

Mehta, Shri Bhubaneshwar Prasad Fatmi, Shri Mohammand Aii Ashraf Mtehra, Shri Satyagopai Fernandes, Shri George Mollah, Shri Hannan G Mukherjee, Shrimati Geeta Ghafoor, Shri Abdul Mukherjee, Shri Subrata Ghangare, Shri Ramchandre Maro- trao Mukhopadyay, Shri Ajoy

Giri, Shri Sudhir Mynda, Shri Govinda Chandra

Giri]a Devi, Shrimati Murmu, &hri Rup Chand

Gopalan, Shrimati Suseela P Gupta, Shri Indrajit Pal, Shri Rupchand

H Paswan, Shri Chhedi

Hossain, Shri Syed Masu dal Paswan. Shri Ram Viias 563 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President's Address 564

Paswan, Shri Sukdeo Singh, Shri Surya Narayan

Patel, ShriBrishin Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap

Patel, Shri Ram Pujan Singh, Shri Shiva Sharan

Patnaik, Shri Sivaji Soren, Shri Shibu

Pramanik, Shri Radhika Ranjan Sur, Shri Monoranjan

R T

Rai, Shri Lall Babu Tej Narayan Singh, Shri

Rai, Shri M. Ramanna Tirkey.Shri Pius

Rai, Shri Nawal Kishore Topdar, Shri Tarit Baran

Rajesh Kumar, Shri U

Ram, Shn Prem Chand Ummareddy Venkateswariu, Prof

Ray, Shri Rabi Uonikrishnan, Shri K. P.

Ray, Dr. Sudhir V

Raychaudhuri, Shri Sudarsan Verma. Shri Upendra Nath

Reddy, Shri B. N. Y

Roy, Shri Haradhan Yadav. Shri Chandra Jeet

Roypradhan, Shri Amar Yadav, Shn Chun Chun Prasad

S Yadav, Shri Devendra Prasad

Sethi, Shri Arjun Charan Yac av. Shri Ram Lakhan Singh

Shastri, Shri Vishwanath Yadav, Shri Ram Saran

Singh, Shri Abhay Pratap Yadav, Dr. S. P.

Singh, Shri Hari Kishore Yadav, Shri Sharad

Singh, Shri Pratap Yadav, Shri Surya Narayan

Singh, Shri Ram Prasad Yadav, Shri Vijoy Kumar

Singh, Shri Ramashray Prasad Z

Singh, Shri Ramnaiesh Zainal abedin, Shri 565 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 566

NOES Bhuria, Shri Dileep Singh

A Birbal. Shri

Adalkalaraj, Shri L. Brar, Shri Jagmeet Singh

Ahamed, Shri E. Brohmo Chaudhury, Shri Satyandra Nath Ahirwar, Shri Anand Buta Singh, Shri Ahmed, Shri Kamaluddin C Aiyar, Shri Mani Shankar Chacko, Shri P. C. Akber Pasha, Shri B. Chaliha, Shri Kirip Anbarasu Era, Shri Chandrakar, Shri Chandulal Anthony, Shri Frank Chandrasekhar, Shrimati Maragatham Antulay, Shri A. R. Charles, Shri A. Arunachalam. Shri M. Chaudhary, Shri Kamal Asokaraj, Shri A. Chaudhary, Shri Ram Prakash Athithan, Shri R. Dhanuskodi Chaudhri, Shri Narain Singh B Chaure, Shri Bapu Hari Banerjee, Kumari Mamata Chavan.Shri Prithviraj D. Bansat, Shri Pawan Kumar Chavda, Shri Ishwarbhai Khokabhai Bhadana, Shri Avtar Singh Chidambaram, Shri P. Bhagat, Shri Vishweshwar Chinta Mohan, Dr. Bhagey Gobardhan, Shri Chowdhary, Shrimati Santosh Bhakta, Shrimanoranjan Chowdhury, Shri A. B. A. Gani Khan

Bhandari, Shrimati Dil Kumari B

Bhardwajh, Shri Paras Ram Dadahoos, Shri Gurcharan Singh

Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai Damor, Shri Somjibhai

Bhoi, Dr. Krupasindhu Deka, Shri Probin

Bhonsle, Shri Tejsinghrao Delkar, Shri Mohan S. 567 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9.1992 Pnsktonfs Addnss 568

Deshmukh, Shri Anantrao Gundewar, Shri VHasrao NagnatKVao

De shmukh, Shri Ashok Anantrao H

Dev, Shri Sontosh Mohan Handique, Shri Bijoy Krishna

Devarajan, Shri B. Harchand Singh. Shri

Devegowda, Shri H. D. Hdoda, Shri Bhupinder Singh

Devi. Shrimati Bibhu Kumari I

Dighe, Shri Sharad Imchalemba, Shri

Dtgvijaya Singh, Shri Inder Jit, Shri

Diwan, Shri Pawan Islam, Shri Nurul

Dutt, Shri Sunil J

F Jaffer Sharief, Shri C. K.

Faleiro, Shri Eduardo Jakhar, Shri Balram

Farook, Shri M. O. H. Janarthanan, Shri M. R. Kadambur

Ferrfendes, Shri Oscar Jangde, Shri Khelan Ram

G Jatav, Shri Bare Lai

Gaikwad, Shri Udaysingrao Jawaii, Dr. B. G.

Gajapathi, Shri Gopi Nath Jayamohan, Shri A.

Gaiib, Shri Gurcharan Singh Jeevarathinam, Shri R.

Gamit, Shri Chhitubhai Jhikram, Shri Mohanial

Gavit, Shri Manikrao Hodtya K

Gehlot, Shri Ashok Kahandole, Shri Z. M.

Ghatowar, Shri Paban Singh Kairon, Shri Surinder Singh

Giriyappa, Shri C. P. Mudaia Kale, Shri Shankarrao D.

Gogoi, Shri Tarun Kaliaperumal, Shri P. P.

Gomango, Shri Giridhar Kamai Nath, Shri

Gudadinni, Shri B. K. Kamat, Shri Gurudas 569 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19.1913 (SAKA) Pnskhnfs Addnss 570

Kambie, Shri Arvind Tulahi ram Marbaniang, Shri Peter G.

Kamson. Prof. M. Masood, Shri Rasheed

KanKhl, Dr. Viswanatham Mathew, Shri Pala K. M.

Karreddula. Shrimati Kamaia Kumari Mathur, Shri Shiv Charan

Kasu, Shri Venkata Krishna Reddy Meena, Shri Bheru Lai

Kaui, Shrimati Sheila Meghe, Shri Datta

Kaur, Shrimati Sukhbuns Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram

Kewal Singh, Shri Mirdha, Shri Ram Niwas

Khan, Shri Aslam Sher Mujahid, Shri B. M.

Khan. Shri Ayub Muniyappa, Shri K. H.

Khursheed, Shri Salman Muralee Dharan, Shri K.

Konathala, Shri Rama Krishna Murthy, Shri M. V. Chandrashekara

Krishan Kumar, Shri S. Murugesan, Dr. N.

Krishnaswamy, Shri M. Muttemwar, Shri Vilas

Kshirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai Sonaji N

Kuli, Shri Balin , Naik, Shri A. Venkatesh

Kumaramangalam, Shri Rangarajan Naik, Shri G. Devaraya

Kuppuswamy, Shri C. K. Naikar, Shri D. K.

Kurien, Prof. P. J. Narayanan, Shri K. R.

L Narayanan, Shri P. G.

Lakshamanan, Prot. Savithi Nawale, Shri Vidura Vithoba

M Nayak, Shri Mrutyunjaya

Malik, Dharampal Singh Nayak, Shn Subash Chandra

Mallikarjun, Shri Netam, Shri Arvind

Mallu, Dr. R. Nikam, Shri Govindrao

Mane, Shri Rajaram S hankarrao Nyamagouda, Shri S. B. 571 Motion of Thmnks on MARCH 9.1982 President's Address 572

O Pilot, Shri Rajesh

Odeyar, Shri Channaiah Poosapati, ShrTAnandgajapati Raju

P Potdukhe, Shri Shantaram

Padma, Dr. (Shrimati) Prabhu, Shri R.

Pal. Dr. Debi Proaad Prabhu Zantye, Shri Harish Narayan

Palacholla, Shri Venkata Rangayya Pradhani, Shri K.. Naidu Prasad, Shri V. Sreenivasa Pandian, Shri D. R Panigrahi. Shri Sriballav Rahi, Shri Ram Lai Panja. Shri Ajit Rai. Shri Kalp Nath Panwar; Shri Harpai Rajaravivarma. Shri B. Patel. Shri Harilal Nanji Rajendra Kumar, Shri S. S. R. Patel. Shri Praful Rajeshwaran Dr. V. Patel, Shri Shravan Kumar Rajeshwari, Shrimati Basava Patel, Shri Uttambhai Harjibhai Rajulu, Dr. R. K. G. Patil, Shri Anwari Basavaraj Ram Babu. Shri A. G. S. Patil. Shri Prakash V. RAm Singh. Rao Patil, Shrimati Pratibha Devisingh Ramehandran, Shri Muflappally Patil, Kumari Surya Kanta Ramamurthy, Shri K. Patil, Shri littamrao Deorao Ramasamy, Shri Rajagopal Naidu Patil. Shri Vijay Naval Rao, Shri J. Chokka Patil, Shri Yashwantrao

Patra. Dr. Kartikeswar Rao, Shri P. V. Narasimha

Pattanayak, Shri Sarat Chandra Rao, Shri V. Krishna

Pawar, Shri Sharad Rath, Shri Rama Chandra

Pawar, Dr. Vasant Niwrutti Rathva, Shri Naranbhai Jamlabhai

Peruman. Dr P. Vallal Rawat, Shri Prabhu Lai 573 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) Presidents Address 574

Reddy, Shri Anantha Venkata SNvera, Dr. C.

Reddy, Shri M. Baga Singh, Shri Apt

Reddy, Shri M. 6 . Singh, Shri Arjun

Reddy, Shri Magunta Subbarama Singh, Shri Dalbir

Reddy, Shri R. Surender Singh, Shri Khelsai

Reddy. Shri Vijay Bhaskara Singh, Shri Manphool

Reddy, Shri Y. S. Rajasekhar Singh, Shri Motilal

S Singh, Kumari Pushpa Devi

Sadul, Shri Dharmanna Mondayya Singh, Shri S. B.

Sai, Shri A. Pratap §ingh, Deo, Shri K. P.

Sahi, Shrimati Krishna Singla, Shri Sant Ram

Saikia, Shri Muhi Ram Sodi, Shri Manku Ram

Sait, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Solanki, Shri Surajbhanu

Sajjan Kumar, Shri Soundaram, Dr. (Shrimati) K. S.

Sangama, Shri Purno A. Sridharan, Dr. Rajagopalan

Sanipalli, Shri Gangadhara Srinivasan, Shri Chinnasamy

Sawant, Shri Sudhir Sukh Ram, Shri

Sayeed, Shri P. M. Sultanpuri, Shri Krishan Dutt

Scindia, Shri Madhaerao Sundararaj, Shri N.

Selja, Kumari Suresh, Shri Kodikkunil

Shankaranand, Shri B.. Swaqjy, Shri G. Venkat

Sharma, Shri Chiranji Lai T

Sharma, Shri Satish Kumar Tara Singh, Shri

Shmgda, Shri Damu Barku Thakur, Shri Mahendra Kumar Singh

Shivappa, Shri Kodakani Gowdana Thangkabalu, Shri K. V.

Shukla, Shri Vkiiyacharan Tharadevi Sidhartha, Shrimati D. K.

Sidnal, Shri S.B . Thornes, Prof. K. V. 575 Motion o f Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 PmaUant'a Addmss 576

Thomas, Shri P. C. Ya^hpai, Shri

Thorat, Shri Sandipan Bhagwan MR. SPEAKER : Subject to correc­ tion*, the resuit of the division is: Thungon, ^iri P. K. Ayes : 097 Tindivanam, Shri K. Ramamurthee Noes : 262 Tope. Shri Ankushrao Raosaheb The motion waa negatived Topno, Kumari Frida MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put amend­ Tytler. Shri Jagdish ment numbers 336,338,387, 620, 628 and 1043 as requested by Shri Indrajit Gupata to U the vote of the House.

Umbrey, Shri Laeta SHRI INDRAJIT GUPATA(Midnapore): i want a division on the Amendment Number Upadhyay. Shri Swarup 628. It is a very important matter relating to IMF. Urs, Shrimati Chandra Prabha MR. SPERKER: For you satisfaction, if V your insist, I will again put it to the vote of the House. But it is not necessary. Vandayar, Shri K. Thuiasiah Now I shall put amendment numbers Verma, Shri Bhawani Lai 336, 338, 387, 620 and 1043 to the vote of the House. Verma, Kumari Vimla Amendments No. 336, 338, 387, 620 and Vijayaraghavan, Shri V. S. 1043 were put and negatived

Vyas, Dr. Girija MR. SPEAKER: Again, I shall now put the Amendment Number 628, as requested W by Shri Indrajit Gupta to the vote of the House. Wasnik, Shri Mukul Balkrishna SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore): Williams, Shri R. G. Sir. I want a division on this.

Y MR. SPEAKER: I think that the lobbies are already cleared and let no Member go Yadav, Shri Satya Pal Singh out of the House until he casts the vote.

*The following Members also recorded their votes.

AYES: Dr. Jay ' »-\ongpi, Sarvashri Sobhanaidreeswara Rao Vadde, D. Venkateswara Rao, Suraj Mandal, Bnubaneshwar Prasad Mehta, Hari Kewal Prasad, Kesri Lai, Roshan Lai, Shashi Prakash, Braja Kishore Tripathi, Abhay. Pratap Singh.

NOES: Saravahri Yellalah Nandi, Ramesh Chennhhala, G. Made Gowda, Murli Deora, Kumari Padamasree Kudumula, Shri N. Dennis and Dr. Shrimati K. S. Soundaram. 577 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA19.1913 (SAKA) President's Address 578

The question is: Choudhury, Shri SaKuddin.

“That si ths and of ths motion, the* D following be added namely:- Das, Shri Jitendra Nath but regret that there is no mention in the Address of the fact that the Datta, Shri Amal conditionalities of the IMF and World Bank are affectingeoonomic sover­ Dome, Dr. Ram Chandra * eignty of India! “(628) Dubey, Shrimpy Saroj Tha Lok Sabha divided F 18.39 hr*. Fatmi, Shri Mohammad Ali Ashraf ■ AYES Fernandes, Shri George

Division No. 4 O

Ghangare, Shri Ramchandra Maro- A trao

Acharia, Shri Basu Deb Giri, Shri Sudhir

Anjalore, Shri Thayil John Girija Devi, Shrimati Ansari, Shri Mumtaz Gopalan, Shrimati Suseeia Azam, Dr. Faiyazul Gupta, Shri Indrajit

B H Baitha, Shri Mahendra Hossain, Shri Syed Masudal Bala, Dr. Asim J

Barman, Shri Uddhab Jena, Shri Srikanta Basu, Shri Anil Jha, Shri Bhogendra Basu, Shri Chitta K Bhattacharaya, Shrimati Matini Kesri Lai, Shri Bhattacharya, Shri Nani Khan, Shri Sukhendu C Kumar, Shri Nitish Chakraborty, Prof. Susanta

Chatterjee. Shri Nirmal Kanti L Chatterjee, Shri Somnath Laljan Basha, Shri S. M. 579 Motion of Thanto on MARCH 9.1992- P m s H a n fiA d d tw s 590

M R

Madhukar, Shri Kamla Mishra Rai, Shri Lail Babu

Mahato, Shri Bir Singh Rai, Shri Nawal Kishore

Malik, Shri Purna Chandra (Duigapur) Rajesh Kumar, Shri

Mandal, Shri Brahmanand Ram, Shri Prem Chand

Mandal, Shri Sana! Kumar Ram Badan, Shri

Mandal. Shri Suraj Ray, Shri Rabi

Manjay Lai, Shri Ray Dr. Sudhlr

Mehta, Shri Bhubaneshwar Prasad Raychaudhuri, Shri Sudarsan

Misra, Shri Satyagopal Reddy. Shri B. N.

Mollah, Shri Hannan Rongpi, Dr. Jayanta

Mukherjee, Shrimati Geeta Roy, Shri Haradhan

Mukherjee, Shrimati Subrata Roypradhan, Shri Amar

Mukhopadyay, Shri Ajoy S

Munda, Shri Govinda Chandra Sethi, Shri Arjun Chatan

Murmu, Shri Rup Chand Shastri, Shri Vishwanath

P Singh, Shri Abhay Pratap

Pal, Shri Rupchand Singh. Shri Hari Kishore

Paswan, Shri Chhedi Singh. ShriJangbir

Singh, Shri Mohan Paswan, Shri Ram VU§b Singh, Shri Pratap

Paswan, Shri Sukdeo Singh, Shri Ram Prasad

Patel. Shri Brishin Singh, Shri Ramashray Prasad

Patel, Shri Ram Pujan Singh, Shri Ramnaresh

Patnak, Shri Sivaji Singh, Shri Surya Narayan

Pramanik, Shri Radhka Ranjan Singh, Shri Vlshwanth Pratap

Prasad, Shri Hari Kewal Sinha. Shri Shiva Sharan 581 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 582

Soren, Shri Shibu NOES Sur, Shri Monoranjan A

T Adaikalaraj, Shri L.

Tej Narayan Singh, Shri Ahamed, Shri E.

Tirkey, Shri Pius Ahirwar, Shri Anand

Topdar, Shri Tarit Baran Ahmed, Shri Kamaluddin

Tripathy, Shri Braja Kishore Aiyar, Shri Mani Shankar

U Anbarasu Era, Shri

Ummaroddy Vankatewarlu, Prof. Anthony, Shri Frank

Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. Antuiay, Shri A. R.

Y Arunachalam, Shri M.

Asokarajm, Shri A. Vadde, Shri Sobhanadreeswara Rao Athithan, Shri R. Ohanuskodi Verma, Shri Upendra Nath B

Y Banerjee, Kumari Mamata

Yadav, Shri Chandra Jeet Bansal, Shri Pawan Kumar

Yadav, Shri Chun Chun Prasad Bhadana, Shri Avtar Singh

Yadav, Shri Dovondra Prasad Bhagat, Shri Vishweshwar

Yadav, Shri Ram Lakhan Singh Bhagey Gobardhan, Shri

Yadav, Shri Ram Saran Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan

Yadav, Dr. S. P. Bhandari, Shirmati Dil Kumari

Yadav, Shri Sharad Bhardwaj, Shn Paras Ram

Yadav, Shri Vijoy Kumar Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai

Yumnam, Shri Yaima Singh Bhoi, Dr. Krupasindhu

Z Bhonsie, Shri Prataprao B.

Zainal Abedin, Sh ri Bhonsle, Shri Tejsinghrao 583 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9.1992 Pnskhnfs Addmss 584

Bhuria, Shri Dilesp Singh Deora, Shri Murti

Birbal, Shri Deshmukh, Shri Anantrao

Brar, Shri Jagnleet Singh Deshmukh, Shri Ashok Anandrao (Parbhani) Brohmo Chaudhury, Shri Satyendra Nath Dev, Shri Sonth-osh Mohan

Buta Sing, Shri Devarajan, Shri B.

C Devegowda, Shri H. D.

Chaiiha, Shri Kirip Devi, Shrimati Bibhu Kumari

Chandrakar, Shri Chanduiai Dighe, Shri Sharad

Chandrasekhar, Shrimati Maragatham Digvijaya Singh, Shri

Charles, Shri A, Diwan, Shri Pawan

Chaudhary, Shri Kamal Dutt, Shri Sunil

Chaudhary, Shri Ram Prakash F

Chaudhri, Shri Narain Singh Faieirao, Shri Eduardo

Chaure, Shri Bapu Hari Farook, S hri^. O. H.

Ch^van, Shri Prithviraj D. Fernandes, Shri Oscar

Chennithala, Shri Ramesh G

Chidambaram, Shri P. Gaikwad, Shri Udaysingrao

Chinta Mohan, Dr. Gajapathi, Shri Gopi Nath

Chowdhary, Shrimati Santosh Gamit, Shri Chhitubhai

Chowdhury, Shri A. B. A. Ghani Khan Gavit, Shri Manikrao Hodtya

D Gehlot, Shri Ashok

Dadahoor, Shri Gurcharan Singh Ghatowar, Shri Paban Singh

Damor, Shri Somjibhai Giriyappa, Shri C. P. Mudaia

Deka. Shri Probin Gogoi, Shri Tarun

Deikar. Shri Mohan S. Gomango, Shri Giridhar

Dennis, Shri N. Gudadinni, Shri B. K. 585 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 586

Gundewar, Shri Vilasrao Nagnathrao Karreddula, Shrimati Kamala Kumari

H Kasu.Shri Venkata Krishna Reddy

Handique, Shri Bijoy Krishna Kaul, Shrimati Sheila

Harchand Singh, Shri Kaur, Shrimati Sukhbuns

I Kewai Singh. Shri

Imchafemba, Shri Khan, Shri Aslam Sher

indar Jit, Shri Khan, Shri Ayube

isiam, Shri Nurui Khursheed, Shri Salman

J Konathala, Shri Rama Kriahna

Jaffer Sharief, Shri C. K. Krishan Kumar, Shri S.

Jakhar, Shri Balram Krishnaswamy, Shri M.

Janarthanan, Shri M. R. Kadambur Kshirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai Sonaji

Jangde, Shri Khelan Ram Kudumula, Kumari Padamasree

Jatav, Shri Bare Lat Kuli, Shri Balin

Jawali, Dr. B. G. Kumaramangaiam, Shri Rangarajan

Jayamohan, Shri A. Kuppuswamy, Shri C. K.

Jeevarathinam, Shri R. Kurien, Prof. P. J.

K L

Kahandole, Shri Z. M. Lakshmanan, Prof. Savithri

Kairon, Shri Surmder Singh M

Kale, Shri Shankarrao D Made Gowda, Shri G.

Kama! Nath, Shri Malik, Dharampal Singh

Kamat, Shri Gurudas Mallikarjun, Shri

Kambie, Shri Arvind Tulshtranrf Mane, Shri Rajaram Shankarrao

Kamson, Prof. M. Marbaniang, Shri Pater G.

Kanithl, Dr. Viswanatham Masood, Shri Rasheed

Kanshi Ram, Shri Mathew, Shn Pala K. M. 587 Motion o f Thanks on MARCH 9.1992 Praakhnta Address 588

Mathur, Shri Shiv Charan P

Means , Shri Bheru Lai Padma, Dr. (Shrimati)

Magha. Shri Datta Pal. Dr. Debi Prosad

Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram Palacholla, Shri Vankata Rangayya Naidu Mirdha, Shri Ram Nlwas Pandian, Shri D. Mujahid, Shri B. M. Panigrahi, Shri Sriballav Muniyappa, Shri K. H. Panja, Shri Ajit Muraiea Dharan, Shri K. Panwar, Shri Harpal Murthy, Shri M. V. Chandrashekar Patel, Shri Harilal Nanji Murugesan, Dr. N. Patel, Shri Praful Muttemwar, Shri Vilas Patel, Shri Shravan Kumar N Patel, Shri Uttambhai Harjibhai Nafc, Shri A. Vankatash Patil. Shri Anwari Basavaraj Naik, Shri G. Devaraya Patil, Shri Prakash V. Naikar, Shri D. K. Patil. Shrimati Pratibha Devisingh Nandi. Shri Yellaiah Patil, Kumari Surya tfanta Narayanan, Shri K.R. Patil, Shri Uttamrao Deorao Narayanan. Shri P. G. Patil. Shri Vijay Naval Nawale, Shri vidura Vrthoba Patil, Shri Yashwantrao Nayak, Shri Mrutyunjaya Patra, Dr. Kartikeswar Nayak. Shri Subash Chandra Pattanayak, Shri Sarat Chandra Netam, Shrj Arvind Pawar, Shri Sharad Nikam, Shri Govindrao Pawar. Dr. Vasant Nlwrutti Nyamagouda. Shri S. B.

Peruman, Dr. P. VaHal O Pilot. Shri Rajesh

Odayar, Shri Channaiah poosapati. Shri A nandgajapati Raju 580 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19, 1913 (SAKA) President's Address 590

Potdukhe, Shri Shantaram ' Reddy, Shri Magunta Subbarama

Prabhu, Shri R. Reddy, Shri R. Surender

Prabhu Zantya, Shri Harish Narayan R6ddy, Shri Vijaya Bhaskara

Pradhani, Shri K. Reddy, Shri Y. S. Rajasekhar

Prasad, Shri V. Sraenivasa S

R Sadul, Shri Dharmanna Mondayya

Rahi. Shri Ram Lai Sai, Shri A. Pratap

Rai, Shri Kaip Nath Sahi, Shrimati Krishna

Rajaravivarma, Shri B. Safkia, Shri Muhi Ram « Rajsndra Kumar, Shri S. S. R. Sait, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman

Rajeshwaran, Or. V. Sangma, Shri Purno. A

Rajaswari, Shrimati Basav^a Sanipalti, Shri Gangadhara

Rajulu, Dr. R. K. G. ' Sawant, Shri Sudhir

Ram Babu, Shri A. G. S. Sayeed, Shri P. M.

Ram Singh, Rao Scindia, Shri Madhavrao

Ramchandran, Shri Muliappaliy Selja, Kumari

Ramamurthy, Shri K. Shankaranand, Shri B.

Ramasamy, Shri Rajagopai Naidu Sharrna, Shri C^iranji Lai

Rao. Shri J. Chokka Sharma, Shri Satish Kumsr

Rao. Shri P. V. Narasimha Shingda. Shri Damu Barku

Rao. Shri V. Krishna Shivappa. Shri Kodakani Gowdana Rath, Shri Rama Chandra Shukla, Shri Vidyacharan Rathva, Shri Naranbhai Jamiabhai Sidnal, Shri S. B. Rawat, Shri Prabhu Lai SNvera, Dr. C. Reddy, Shri M. Baga Singh, Shri Ajit Reddy. Shri Mahasamudram Gnanen- ■ Singh. Shri Arjun dra 591 Motion o f Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 Pms&fti'sAddm* 592

Singh, Shri DsMr Thorat, Shri $andlpan Bhsgwn

Singh, Shri Khelsai Thungon, Shri P. K.

Singh, Shri Manphool Tindivanam, Shri K. Ramamurthee

Singh. Shri Motilal Tope, Shri Ankushrao Raosaheb

Singh, Kumari Pushpa Devi Topno, Kumari Frida

Singh Shri S. B. Tytler, Shri Jagdish

Singh Deo. Shri K. P. U

Singla, Shri Sant Ram Upadhyay, Shri Swarup

Sodir, Shri Manku Ram Urs, Shrimati Chandra Prabha

Solanki, Shri Surajbhanu V

Soundaram Dr. (Shrimati) K. S. Vandayar, Shri K. Thuiasiah

Sridharan, Dr. Rajagopaian Verma, Shri Bhawani Lai

Srinivasan, Shri Chinnasamy Verma, Kumari Vimla

Sukh Ram,Shri Vijayaraghavan, Shri V. S.

Sultanpuri, Shri Krishan Dutt Vyas, Dr. Girija

Sundararaj, Shri N. W

Suresh, Shri Kodikkunil Wasnik, Shri Mukui Balkrishna

Swamy. Shri G. Venkat Williams, Shri R.G.

T Y

Tara Singh, Shri Yashpal, Shri

Thangkabatu, Shri K. V. MR. SPEAKER: Subject to correction*, the result of the division 4s: Tharadevi Siddhartha, Shrimati D. K.

Thomas, Prof. K. V. Ayes : 203

Thomas, Shri P. C. Noes : 258

■*The following members also recorded their Votes:

AYES: Sarvashri Palas Barman, M. Ramanna Rai, Ram Sunder Das, Roshan Lai, Shashi Prakash.

NOES: Sarvashri Mohanlal Jhfcram, Ishwarbhai K. Chavda, P. C. Chacko, Mahendra Kumar Singh Thakur, B. Akber Pasha, Sajjan Kumar, P. P. Kaliaperumal; Gurcharan Singh GaHb, Satya Par Singh Yadav, Dr. R. Mallu and Shri Bhupender Singh Hooda. 593 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President’s Address 594

Th* motion was negatived. An/alose, Shri Th ayil John

MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put the Amendment No. 28 moved by Shri Chitta Basu to the vote of the House.

SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): Sir. I Ansari. Shri Mumtaz want a division on the Amendment No. 28. B . MR.SEAKER: Please let me explain to you. Now. it is not necessary that each and Baftha, Shri Mahendra every Member should ask for the division. I am supposing that it is not being asked Bala. Dr. Asim properly he could refuse it. May I now re­ quest you not to ask for the division lightly. Barman, Shri Palas SHRI CHITTA BASU: Sir. we oppose Barman. Shri Uddhab the Government policy which erodes the economic sovereignty. I have not given it in a light manner. I have given only one single Basu, Shri Anil amendment. And I want that the House be divided on that. Basu, Shri Chitta

MR. SPEAKER: I am allowing the divi­ Bhattacharaya.'Shirmati Malini sion. Let us respect the feeling of the Mem­ ber also. But, there are so many amend­ Bhattacharya. Shri Nani ments. So please do not ask for the division on the amendments lightly because the same C purpose is achieved. Chakraborty, Prof. Susanta The question is: Chatterjee. Shri Nirmal Kanti That at the end of the motion the following be added, namely:- Chatterjee, Shri Somnath

'but regret that the Address fails to Choudhury, Shri Saifuddin, mention anything about the blatant capitulation of the Government to the D diktats of the World Bank and IMF in matters relating to the formulation of our Das, Shri Jitendra Nath economic policies which would lead to the erosion of the economic sovereignty of the nation and deflection from the Das, Shn Ram Sunder nationally accepted policy of self-reli­ ance.’ “(28) Datta, Shri Amal

The Lok Sabha divided Dharmabhiksham, Shri

18.43 hrs. Dome, Dr. Ram Chandra AYES Dubey, Shrimati Saroj

Division No. 5 F

A Fatmi, Mohammad Ali Ashraf

Acharia, Shri Basu Deb Fernandes, Shri George 595 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 Presidents Address 596

G MoHah, Shri Hannan

Ghangare, Shri Ramchandra Maro- Mukherjee, Shrimati Geeta trao Mukherjee, Shri Subrata Giri, Shri Sudhir Mukhopadyay, Shri Ajoy Girija Devi, Shrimati Munda, Shri Govinda Chandra Gopaian, Shrimati Suseela Murmu, Shri Rup Chand Gupta, Shri indrajit P H * Pal, Shri Rupchand Hossain, Shri Syed Masudal Paswan, Shri Chhedi J Paswan Shri Ram Vtlas Jena, Shri Srikanta Paswan, Shri Sukdeo Jha, Shri Bhogendra Patel, Shri Brishin K Patet, Shri Ram Pujan Kesri Lai, Shri Patnaik, Shri Sivaji Khan, Shri Sukhendu Prakash, Shri Shashi Kumar, Shri Nitish Pramanik, Shri Radhika Ranjan L R Laljan Basha, Shri S. M. Rai, Shri Lall Babu M Rai, Shri Nawal Kishore Madhukar, Shri Kamla Mishra Rajesh Kumar, Shri Mahato, Shri Bir Singh Ram, Shri Prem Chand Malik, Shri Puma Chandra Rao, Shri D. Venkateswara Mandal, Shri Brahmanand Ray. Shri Rabi Mandat, Shri Sanat Kumar Ray. Dr. Sudhir Mandat, Shri Suraj

Mehta, Shri Bhubaneshwar Prasad Raychaudhuri, Shri Sudarsan

Misra, Shri Satyagopal Reddy, Shri B.*N. 597 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) President's Address 598

Rongpi, Dr. Jayanta V

Roshan Lai, Shri Vadde, Shri Sobhanadreeswara Rao

Roy, Shri Haradhan Verma, Shri Upendra Nath

Roypradhan, Shri Amar Y

S Yadav, Shri Chandra Jeet

Sethi, Shri Arjun Charan Yadav, Shri Chun Chun Prasad

Singh, Shri Abhay Pratap Yadav, Shri Devendra Prasad

Singh, Shri Hari Kishore Yadav, Shri Ram Lakhan Singh

Singh, Shri Jangbir Yadav, Shri Ram Saran

Singh, Shri Mohan Yadav, Dr. S. P.

Singh, Shri Pratap Yadav, Shri Sharad

Singh, Shri Ram Prasad Yadav. Shri Suray Narayan

Singh, Shri Ramashray Prasad Yadav, Shri Vijoy Kumar

Singh. Shri Ramnaresh Z

Singh, Shri Surya Narayan Zainal Abedin, Shri

Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap NOES

Sinha, Shri Shiva Sharan A

Soren Shri Shibu Adalkalaraj, Shri L.

Sur, Shri Monorajnan Ahamed, Shri E.

T Ahirwar, Shil Anand

Tej Narayan Singh, Shri Ahmed, Shri Kamaluddin

Tirkey, Shri Pius Aiyar, Shri Mani Shankar

Topdar, Shri Tarit Baran Akber Pasha, Shri B.

Tripathy, Shri Braja Kishore Anbarasu Era. Shri

U Anthony, Shri Frank

Ummareddy Venkateswartu, Prof. Antulay, Sfori A. R.

Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. ArunachaJam, Shri M. 599 Motion o f Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 Pmktonfs Addmss600

Aaokaraj, Shri A.* Chandrasekhar, Shrimati Ma- rafgatham Athithan, Shri R. Dhanuskodi Charles, Shri A.

B Chaudhary, Shri Kamal

Banarjaa, Kumari Mamata Chaudhary, Shri Ram Prakash

Bansal, Shri Pawan Kumar Chaudhary, Shri Rudarsan

Bhadana, Shri Avtar Singh Choudhri, Shri Narain Singh

Bhagat, Shri Vlshweshwar Chaure, Shri Bapu Hari

Bhagey Gobardhan, Shri Chavan, Shri Prithviraj D.

Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan Chavda, Shri Ishwarbhai Khodabhai

Bhandari, Shrimati Dii Kumari Chennithala, Shri Ramesh

Bhardwaj, Shri Paraa Ram Chidambaram, Shri P.

Bhargava, Shri.Girdhari Lai Chinta Mohan, Dr.

Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai Chowdhary, Shrimati Santosh

BtVoi, Dr. Krupasindbu Chowdhury, Shri A. B. A. Gham Khan 4 Bhonsla, Shri Prataprao B. D

Bhonsla, Shri Tejsinghrao Dadahoor, Shri Gurcharan Singh

Bhuria, Shri Ditoep Singh Damor, Shri Somjibhai

Birbal, Shri Deka, Shri Probin

Brar, Shri Jagmeet Singh Deikar, Shri Mohan S.

Brohmo Chaudhury, Shri Satyandra Dennis, Shri N. Nath Dbora, Shri Murli Buta Singh, Shri Deshmukh, Shri Anantrao C Deshmukh, Shri Ashok Anandrao Chacko, Shri P. C. Dev, Shri Sontosh Mohan

ChaKha, Shri Kirip Devarajan, Shri B.

Chandrakar, Shri Chandulal Devegowda, Shri H. D. 801 M otion o f Thanks o n PHALGUNA 19,1913 {SAKA) Prsaidm's Addrass 602

Devi, Shrimati Bfchu Kumari Islam, Shri Nurui

Dlghe, S hriSharad J

Digvijaya Singh, Shri Jaffer Sharief, Shri C. K.

Dkshft, Shri Shrsesh Chandra Jakhar, Shri Bairam

Diwan, Shri Pawan Janarthanan, Shri M. R. Kadam

Dutt, Shri Sural Jangde, Shri Kheian Ram

F Jatav, Shri Bare Lai

Faleiro, Shri Eduardo Jawali, Dr. B.G.

Farook, Shri M. O. H. Jayamohan, Shri A.

Fernandas, Shri Oscar Jeevarathinam, Shri R.

6 Jhfcram, Shri Mohanlal

Gakwad, Shri Udaysingrao K

Gajapathi, Shri Gopi Nath Kahandole, Shri Z.M.

Galib, Shri Gurcharan Singh Kairon, Shri Surinder Singh

Gamit, Shri Chhitubhai Kale, Shri Shankarrao D.

Gavit, Shri Mantkrao Hodlya Kaliaperumal, Shri P.P.

Gehkst, Shri Ashok Kama! Nath, Shri

Ghatowar, Shri Paban Singh Kamat, Shri Gurudas

Giriyappa, Shri C. P. Mudala Kambto, Shri Arvind Tutehiram

Gogoi, Shri Tarun Kamson, Prod. M.

Gomango. Shri Giridhar Kanithi, Dr. Vtswanatham

Gundewar, Shri VHasrao Nagnathrao Ksnshi Ram, Shri

H Karreddula, Shrimati Kamata Kumari

Handique, Shri Bijoy Krishna Kaul, Shrimati Sheila

I Kaur, Shrimati Sukhbuns

tmchalemba. Shri Kewal Singh. Shri

Inder Jit. Shri Khan, Shri AslamSher 603 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9 1992 Presidents Address 604

Khan, Shri Ayub Muniyappa, Shri K. H.

Khursheed, Shri Salman MuraJe e Dharan, Shri K.

Konathala, Shri Rama Krishna Murthy, Shri M. Chandrashekhara

Krishan Kumar, Shri S. Muruges&n, Dr. N.

Krishnaswamy, Shri M. Muttemwar, Shri Vilas

Kshirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai Sonaji N

Kudumula, Kumari Padamasree Naik, Shri A. Venkatesh

Kuli, Shri Balin Naik. Shri G. Devaraya

Kumaramangalam, Shri Rangarajan Naikar, Shri D. K.

Kuppuswamy, Shri C. K. Nandi, Shri Yellaiah

Kurien, Prof. P. J. Narayanan, Shri K. R.

L Narayanan, Shn P. G.

Lakshmanan, Prof. Savith Nawale, Shri Vidura Vithoba

M Nayak, Shri Mrutyunjaya

Made Gowda, Shri G. Nayak Shr: Suoash Chandra

Malik, Dharmpal Singh Netam, Shi i Arvind

Mallikarjun, Shri Nikam, Shri Govindrao

Mallu, Dr. R. Nyamagouda, Shri S. B.

Mane, Shri Rajaram Shankarrao O

Marbaniang, Shri Peter G. Odeyar, Shri Channaiah

Masood, Shri Rashered P

Mathew, Shri Pala K. M. Padma, Dr. (Shrimati)

Mathur, Shri Shiv Charan Pal, Dr. Debi Prosad

Meena, Shri Bheru Lai Palacholla, Shn Venkata Rangayya Naidu Meghe, Shri Datta Pandian, Shn D. Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram

Mirdha, Shri Ram Niwas Pantgraht, Shri Sriballav 605 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) . President’s Address 606

Panja, Shri AJit Rai, Shri Kalp Na th

Panwar, Shri Harped Rajaravivarma. Shri B.

Patel, Shri Harilal Nanji Rajendra Kumar, Shri S. S. R.

Patel, Shri Praful Rajeshwaran, Dr. V.

Palel, Shri Shravan Kumar Rajeswari, Shrimati Basava

Patel, Shri Uttambhai Harjibhai Rajulu, Dr. R. K. G.

Patil, Shri Anwari Basavaraj Ram Babu, Shri A. G. S.

Patil, Shri Prakash V. Ram Singh, Rao

Patil, Shrimati Pratibha Devisingh Ramchandran, Shii Mullappally

Patii, Kumari Surya Kanta Ramamurthy, Shri K.

Patil, Shri Uttamrao Deorao Ramasamy. Shri Rajagopal Naidu

Patil. Shri Vijay Naval Rao, Shri J. Chokka

Patil, Shri Yashwanlrao Rao, Shri P. V. Narasimha

PaVa. Dr. Kamkoswar Rao. Shri V. Krishna

Patianayak, Shri Sarat Chandra Rath, ohri Rama Chandra

F aw*vr, Shri Shared Rathva, Shn Naranbhai Jamlabhai

P?war Dt. Vasar.t Miwrutti Rswat, Shri Prabhu La!

Peru nan, D.\ P. Vallal Reddy. Shr! Anantha Ver.kata

Pi*cl, iShri Rajesh Ratidy. Shr» M Baga

Poosapati, Shri Ar.an'-lgajapati R :p r-'r*ridy. Gnri M. G.

Potdukhe, Shn Sha»«lft**m RtKiay . S. r, Magunta Subbarafra

Prabnu, Shn R. Pto:i

Prabnu Zantyo. Sr.'! Harfoh Narayan Shri Bhaskara

Pradharv, Shn K. Roddy Shr Y S. Rnjasekher

Prasad, Shn V. Srinivasa S

R Saoui, Shn Dharmanna Mondayya

Rahi, Shri Ram Lai Sai, Shri A. Pratap 607 Motion o f Thanks on MARCHS, 1992 Pnskhnts Mdmss 608

SaM, Shrimati Krishna Singh. Shri Sant Ram

SaMa. Shri Muhi Ram Sodi, Shri Manku Ram

Sail, Shri Ebrahim Suiaiman Soianki, Shri Surajbhanu

Sajjanj Kumar, Shri Soundaram. Dr. (Shrimati) K. S.

Sangma, Shri Purno A. Srinivasan. Shri CNnnaaamy

SanipalB, Shri Gangadhara Sukh Ram. Shri

Sawant, Shri Sudhir Suftanputyi, Shri Krishan Dutt

Sayaed, Shri P M. Sundararaj. Shri N.

?elndfa, Shn Madhavrao Swash, Shri Kbdfckunii

Sa^a. Kumari Swamy. Shri G. Vankat

Sh«nkaranand. Shri B. T

S L i dhiranp Lai Tara SifKjt\ Shri

Sharma, Shri Satish Kumar Thakur. Shri Mahandra Kumar Singh

Shmgda, Shri Damu Barku Thangkabaiu. Shri K V.

Shivappa. Shri Kodakani Gowdana Tharadavi Siddhartha, Shrimati D. K.

Shukla, Shri Vidyacharan Thomas, Prof K. V.

Sidnal. Shri S. B. Thomas, Shri P C.

Silvera, Or. C. Thorat, Shri Sandipan Bhagwan

Singh, Shn Ajit Thungon, Shri P. K.

Singh. Shri Arjun Tmdivanam, Shri K. Ra-namurthee

Singh. Shri Dalbir Topa, Shri AnHushraa Ravsaheh

Singh. Shri Khatsai Topno, Kumari Frida

Singh, Shri Manphool Tytier, Shri Jagdish

Singh, Shri Motiial 0

Singh, Kumari Pushpa Devi Umbray, Shri Laata

Singh, Shri S. B. Upadhyay, Shri Swamp

Singh. Dao Shri K. P. Urs, Shrimati Chandra Prabha 609 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19,1913 (SAKA) Presidents Addrass 610

V Amendments Nos. 657and 662 were put and negatived. Yandayar, Shri K, Thutasiah M R SPEAKER: Matiniji I hope you are Verma, Shri Bhawani Lai not pressing for amendment Nos. 342 and 819 because at that time you had not asked Vijayaraghavan, Shri V. S. for it.

Vyas, Dr, Girija I shall now put amendment No. 369 moved by Shri Ram Vitas Paswanji to the W vote of the House separately.

Wasrtik, Shri Mukul Balkrishna Amendments Nos. 369 was put and nagative. WilHams. Shri R. G. [Translation) Y SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Mr. Yadav, Shri Satya Pal Singh Speaker, Sir you have got my amendment negatived. Please ask the Government to Yashpal, Shri make an assurance at least.

MR. SPEAKER. Subject to c o n a ­ tion*, the result of the division is: [EngHsfii

Ayes : 104 MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put amend­ ment Nos. 223, 231, 233, 1027 moved by Noes : 263 Shri Sudhir Giri separately to the vote of the House. The motion was negatived Amendments Nos£23,231. 233. 1027 MR. SPEAKER: Is ^ n o w p u t amend- were put and negatived. „i«nt Nos. 1005. 1010,1011,1013 moved by Shri Nani Bhattacharya separately to the MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put amend­ vote of the House. ment No. 365 mcved by Prof. Susanta Chakraborty to the vote of the House. Amendments Nos. 1005.1010.1011 and 1013 were put and negatived. Amendments Nos. 365 was put and negatived.

MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put amend­ [Translation ment Nos. 657 and 662 moved by Shri Syed Shahabuddin separately to the vote of the MR. SPEAKER: Shri Ramashray House. Prasad, you have not moved your amend-

"The following Members also recorded their Votes:

AYES: Sarvashri M. Ramanna Rai, Manjay Lai, Hari Kewal Prasad.

NOES' Sarvashri B. M. Mujahid, B. K. Gudadini. Venkata K. Reddy Kasu, Dr. Rajagopalan Sridharan. Shri Harchand Singh, Kumari Vimla Verma. Shri Shivendra Bahadur Singh, Kumari Frida Topno, Shrimati Kesarbai Kshirsagar, Shri Bupendra Singh Hooda. 611 Motion of Thanks on MARCH 9,1992 President 's Address 612 men!. So I am not pu tting your amendment to The question Is: the vote of the House. "That an Address be presented to the (Interruptions) President In the following terms:-

[EngBsQ That the Members of Lok Sabha As­ sembled in this Session are deeply MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put amend­ grateful to the President for the Address ment nos. 431,432,438.440and449 moved which he has been pleased to deliver to by Shri Sudarsan Raychaudhari, to the vole both Houses of Parliament assembled of the House, separately together on the 24th February, 1992."

Amendments Nos. 431, 432, 438, 440 and Those in favour will please say ‘Aye*. 449 were put and ribgatived. SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Aye'. MR. SPEAki R. I shall now pH amend­ ment nas. 8204 ^325 moved by Shn taeorge MR SPEAKER: Those against will Fernandas, k> ihv Voto of the House sepa­ pteasa s.ay ‘No 1 rately. oOME HON MEMBERS: 'No’ Amendments Nos R >0 and 523 %ere put am* negatived MB SPF-AKFfi I thmk the Ayes'have r» Ayes* have »: MR SPEAKER: < ‘■hall now put the amendment Nos. I $4, 18b, 180 1r)C, 193 : ;e HON MEMBERS ^ s’ have arvj 194 moved by Shi i Jfttndra Nirth Dns to •T motions' /ate cl the Mouse Separated s^-Hi'AL K ADVAN1 Sti, it would t.e Amendments Nos 1H4, 185, 139, 190, unpiocect^nted to b we df'Ken on the Mo- 193 firtd 194 went put and negatived. t'or af "rhanks c* ihe Presidents Adc*rass flfit H rhe'efore, I would pleoH with my col- MR. SPEAKER . I shall new pur tj; the joa , '094-1115, 1123-68, 1184, 1187-1194 again not to break this tradition (Interruiy anc* \ 302 were put anc negatived tians)

(Interrupt** ns) ( Translation

MR SPEAKER* I shall now put the mam MR. SPEAKER. I am standing, piease motion to the vote of the House. sit down. 613 Motion of Thanks on PHALGUNA 19.1913 (SAKA) President's Address 614

[English] President in the following terms:-

I would entreat all the Members in the That the Members of Lok Sabha as­ House not to insist on a division. Not to insist sembled in this Session are deeply on division on a motion thanking the Presi­ grateful to the President tor the Address dent would be in the interest of the parlia­ which he has been pleased to deliver to mentary democracy, the conventions and both House of Parliament assembled the rules we are following. Inadvertently it together on the 24th February, 1992/ “ might have been asked. That does not mat­ ter. And we do rnderstand what can be The motion was adopted, achieved out of it and what cannot be achieved out of it. So, may I request not to MR. SPEAKER: The House stands insist please? adjourned to meet tomorrow at 11 a. m.

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes, yes. 18.52 hrs.

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: The Lok Sabha then adjourned tin Eleven of the Clock on Tuesday, March 10, 1992/ That an Address be presented to the Phalguna 20, 1913 (Saka).

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