Thursday, November 23, 1972 Fifth Series, Vol . XX No. 8 Agrahayana 2, 1894 (Saka)
Lok Sabha Debates
(Sixth Session)
(Vol . XX, contains Nos. 1-10)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT New Delhi Price- Rs 2.00 CONTENTS
No. 8— Thursday, November 23, 1972 Agrahayana 2, 1894 iS aka)
Columns Oral Answers to Questions .
•Starred Questions Nos 141 to 145, 147, 149 and 152 1-34
'Wijtten Answers to Questions *
Starred Questions Nos. T46, 148, 150, 151 and 153 to 160 34-43 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1401 to 1448, 1450 10 1470, 1472 *o 15 29 , 1531 to 1540, 1542, 1543, 1545 to 1562, 1564, 1565 and 156710 1600 . . ' . ' 43-199
Miscellaneous Matters ...... 199-203
Papers laid on the Table ...... 204-05
Demands for Exccss Giants (Railways), 1970-71 . . 205-27
Shri Indrajit G u p t a ...... 206-8
Sh^i Chindriki Prasad 208-12
Shri Samar Gjha 212-14
Shii Vay.'lar Ravi 215-16
Shti Piabodh Chmdra 216-17
Shri Atal Behiri Vajpayee 217-19
Shri S. M. Bancrjee 219-20
Shri T . A. Pai 220-27
4 ppropriarion (Riilways) No 5 Bill, 1972—Introduced and Passed
Motion to consider ...... 227-35
Shri T. A. Pai 227-29
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 228-31
•Th” sign -f m irked above the name o f a Membei indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor o f the House by that Member. 2522 L.S— r ( ii )
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Clauses 2 , 3 and 1 Motion to p a s s ......
Shri T. A. Pai 231
Food Corporations (Amendment) Bill—
Motion to consider 235-89
Shii Annasaheb P. Shmc'o *35-37
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 238-41
Shri Sat Pal Kapur 241-46
Shri S. M. Banerjee 246-52
Shri C. D Gautam 252-53
Shri J. Matin Gowder 253-57
Shri Liladhar Kotoki 257-58
Shri Atal Behari Vajpayee 258-62
Shri R. N. Sharma 262 -65
Shri Sadhu Ram 266-69
Shri Vayalar Ravi . 269-74
Shri M> Ram Gopal Reddy 274.76
Shri Nathu Ram Mirdha 276-78
Clauses 2 to 7 and 1
Motion to pass . 287
Shri Annasaheb P. Shinde 278-86
Shri Ramavatar Shastri 287-88 ( iii )
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Supplementary Demands for Grants (General)> 1972-73— 289
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 291-300
Shri Chandrika Prasad 300-8
Shri Bhogendra Jha 308-16
Shri K. Suryanarayana 316-21
Shri J. Matin Gowder 321-25
Shri S. A. Kadcr 325-28
Shri Virendra Agarwal 328-32
Shri K. C. Pandey 3 3 3-37
Shri Dhan Shah Pradhan 3 3 7-39
Dr. Sarojini Mahishi 340-46
Shri Siddheshwar Prasad 246 LOK SABHA DEBATES
LOK SABHA Simla Agreement which requires that all issues are to be resolved peaceful ly. Government hope that Pakistan Thursday, November 23, 1972/ will adhere to the letter and spirit o; the Simla Agreement. Agrahayana 2, 1894 ( Saka) SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: The Lok Sabha met at As the hon. Minister has said, if the report is correct then it is really sur Eleven of the Clock prising. First of all, I would like to know from Government whether any (Mr. Speaker in the Chair] steps have been taken to know the veracity of the statement as published ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS in the St. Louis Post, and secondly Statement of Pak Envoy in U.S. on whether it is a fact that the talk of Possibility of renewed war with recent renewed assurances of fresh aid India from the USA to Pakistan has led the Pakistan diplomat to talk of such a + renewed war with our country, and if #141. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW- so, whether Government have sent a DHURY: protest note to the United States Gov SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR: ernment about these circumstaneesT Will the Minister of EXTERNAL SHRI SWARAN SINGH: It is not AFFAIRS be pleased to state: customary to find out the veracity of (a) whether in a recent interview to a statement which is published in a S t Louis Post in Washington, the newspaper. We have to take it as it , appears in the newspaper, and nor Pakistan Ambassador talked of the possibility of renewed war between mally the statements, unless they are Pakistan and India; and contradicted by the maker, should be presumed to have been made by that (b) if so, the reaction of Government person. thereto? Secondly, till now, there is no indi THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL cation that the United States Govern AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): ment have given any assurance to (a) in an interview to the St. Louis Pakistan that the USA would give Fast Dispatch, Pakistan's Ambassador military aid to Pakistan. to the United Slates is reported to Inwe said that unless India and Pakis There is talk of economic aid, but tan resume discussions “the possibility so far I have not seen any statement o f a renewed war between the two or Indication that they will give mili nations will increase". tary aid. 0>) If reported correctly, the Pakis SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: tan Ambassador's statement is sur- Only yesterday a news item was pub prising. India is not responsible for lished in the Times of India to the 13be delay in the implementation of the effect that Pakistan was reviving the Ittmla Agreement, Moreover, any talk old military aid agreement with the of "war” is against the spirit of the US to the extent of 13.3 million dol- 2922 LS—2 3 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 23, 1972 Oral Answers 4.
lars out 0i which Pakistan had already what the hon. member has said, there 30 per cent, and in the agreement it does not appear to be any contradic- has been stated that 300 armoured a tjon between what I stated and what military vehicles would be supped to " Shri Shukla, according to Shri Indrajtt Pakistan. Now there is an attempt Gupta, stated. There is no doubt not to have any direct supplies from Pakistan is getting equipment from the USA___ China, also from some West European countries___" MR. SPEAKER: Do not come out with your own statement giving in- SHRI PILOO MODY: And the formation. You sefek information . Soviet Union.
SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: SHRI SWARAN SINGH: After the There is an attemp not to have direct last Indo-Pakistan conflict, they have supplies from the USA but through not got any equipment so far from the certain West Asian countries. Have Soviet Union. Government got any information on this or will they inquire into this? SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA; Nor from America, according to him. SHRI SWARAN SINGH: Govern ment do keep a track on addition to SHRI SWARAN SINGH: May be the military equipment of Pakistan. some odd spares, But according to We also take corrective action on our our information, so far they have not sids. any lethal equipment worth the name. There may be some small quantities, SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: May I but nothing like so many bombers or ask the Minister through you to clear tanks or other important articles of up, if he can, what appears to be a equipment. We must be clear on facta. contradiction in Government's replies'.’ This is the present position. Ai the Just now he said that there is no in same time, when I said that on our formation 01* they have n<> knowledge side we take corrective action, it is of any assurance being given to Pakis after taking note of the type of thing tan by the US Government that mili that Shri Shukla said. We have also tary supplies would be resumed. You to keep ourselves in a position to en will recall that only last, week in reply sure that Pakistan docs no' pose any to another question here. Shri V. C. serious threat to us. That is our duty Shukla had assured us that they were and we continue to perform it as best fully aware of the fact that Pakistan a? we can. had taken steps to restore their armed forces and armed strength to the pre- SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I did ndt 1971 war position, they had taken steps ask about corrective action; I asked to see that the losses suffered by them whether they were getting the had beeSn made up and all that Now 1 want to knowfrom the External MR. SPEAKER: From the ambas Affairs Minister if it is a fact that sador's statement, it has gone an t® Pakistan has secured suO&cient equip something elite. ment |o make up SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SINHA statement with the Pakistan President, It may not be customary for the Gov and it is not necessary to do so ernment of India to verify statements made by ambassado s to newspapers m other countries, but u, it customary forfom r t «rrt* SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS fnwm f f r n spsrra MUNSI The question is very simple gt fcsr i If it is tru° that the -ambassador has made the statement ft it. contrary to the %mla Agreement May I know **f «nfr «f«fr 'Whether the M**isi$r has already r t f afraprr frrrn: % far^rrrrfhr ^ written or made an appeal to the Pakistan President in view of this •sta'ement7 If so, what is his reply” SHRI SWARAN SINGH No we Suave not taken up this particular I ? 1 Oral Answert NOVEMBER 23, WZ Oral Answers S w*rf • w t fo *nft SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: There was a proposal of selective unemploy f w ^tct «pt *w srr *r$f t fa ftm r ment insurance for the workers and it f ^ snf t r n i ^ f^ft*r was decided that this scheme should | »WRf ^ f * ipssfr be taken up in so far as the workers who have joined the Employees' Provi stftt ^ fiwffr ^erfar wi«n,f*** «r«ri ^ at SHRI PILOO MODY I have a ques f ^ r r ^ fc*T t fa ’farcr f^TTTr- tion to ask Is unemployment so un important a problem tha4 it does not 3 ^ t J warrant even a supplementary* *ft w r i $ s w r * * m * p w ? * r MR SPEAKER The other day I tfm tt fa*rc ^ f t fa ^fftwrc: M^rt allowed about half an hour on thin «qrf^PrT«ft % flWW qsft CTT *£*P «T question f ^ q i 3FT$T cPSTT * t STT% 3|T% % «fr f 3fr*r eft frTJT STrfT fo n 3^ ? §?rr I i spr?rr?r «ft **rt *5 * r r ^ STETH 3ft ^ ’JOT f 3f t % i . . («wmr). fST I I %*?T sqf*RW> % fIT WZ*n f^TTT ^ qr * ^ flTf facr $ i ( «rw w r) . . ft*rr | i snsT *r*m 11 SHRI 1NDER J. MALHOTRA The bon. Minister says that there is no pro SHRI A P. SHARMA This is a posal for giving unemployment relief very important question. Kindly allow' to persons. May I know whether there some more gupplemeotarifts, are certain other schemes under con- mderation of the Government to give them scpe kind of assistance or relief MR SPEAKER: The question was till the time they get employment. whether there was any scheme; he said* nea Many other thing* are MR. SPEAKER' This relates only to brought in. factual information. SHRI PILOO MODY I have an im SHRI INDER J. MALHOTRA: portant supplementary arising out off There are so many other things. his reply, W , 9 Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 2, 1884 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10 SHRI PILOO MODY If he goes through the fourth Plan, he will find nr£tw w * ^9r % #d3r*rr^ ft that unemployment has increased in this country $ i «r? 3T wt j , ssrorf t m 3Tfot *TcT I . . . ( « W ) SHRI A P SHARMA Does t e minister know that it is the pnrrcry *jjhW M ror TIT responsibility of the Government to * f t * m m fcrr ^rf^; i ^ find employment for those who are un employed and that in most countries *wr srrer farcer 5rft or the world those who are not em ployed are given unemployment assis ^y^rrcfrt i sarr^ wfa^nft tance called subsistence allowance* % trear % *n*r-*rr*r Does he propose to have such a scheme m our country* srcsrrf wi ?rarrFr *rr nm i 5*r*r tft TwrftRT **T?fr *pt «nt vt *rf i The MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (i**«n«T) ...... REHABILITATION (SHRI Jt K. KHADILKAR) I do recognise the He should say no, oi yes If he anxiety of hon members to see that *wants he can give a little information some effort is made to provide em m the replv But when he replies ployment to those who are unfortunat- -no does not arise nothing further ]y out of employment But they should bear in mind the financial implica .arises tions Planned effort is made to fa-ftFT*. *rr$*r generate employment If the hon member who talked about policies of f5WT ?P% TST SFTT^rr & JfTlfRT Government cares to look at our Plans he would have to reconcile him ?r?r «TT I self to the fact that during these three SHRI PILOO MODY In reply to Plans and part of the tourth Plan we the Question whether Government has have created sizeable employment op* any proposal to give unemployment portumties Of course the magnitude allowance, the minister said No In of the problem is so vast and I cannot reply to the question whether there just promise that everyone who is un are any schemes for employing these employed will get employment people the ..answer is no I would like to ask whether they have any plan to meet the need of these people and to mitigate the hardship of those who Sr *r W 1 $ 9191 I * * IS #j*T % g«w w «t«nr ft* *** *f 2$ (> ) rt NsTfTT faSTTHCft 1 w m v m t cfr fttt f a * x tfTT % r t f T*tW» fsWlft W nptgiw «*K t*t-twr *» «ft t o w H i n i t i m % % The simple question is about un employment allowance. But it con ftvJRT |*RTm r 4 ? cerns various schemes, various funds and all that. This is a very Important question which we cannot discuss in just one Question or some supple* -*w ir : *rppfhr wtpt mentaries. The only suggestion that I *£,- 4F # f 5T ^ I can make to you Is that we should better have a debate of two or three hours on this subject. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Has tt* attention of the government been drawn to a report, which ha* been Import substitution ter predoats admitted by the Chief Minister of required by Government West Bengal, to the effect that when ibey advertised for a low grade post, tile number of applications was 2,50,000 when the posts were only *143. Shri s. c. samanta-. wui 17,000? Does it not highlight the acute the Minister of SUPPLY be pleased to unemployment among the educated state: youngmen? If so, what steps are being taken by the government in this re (a) whether any economy has been gard7 Are they thinking of giving un achieved in supplies needed for Gov employment allowance to educated ernment purposes by the substitution unemployed? of imported goods with indigenous products; SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: So far as the schemes for educated unemploy fb) if so, the percentage still re ed are concerned, the question really quired to be imported and the amount is posed in a different way. They want of foreign exchange needed for the some provision of a dole. I do not purpose annually; and know whether the educated unemploy ed want the dole. So far as the West Bengal scheme is concerned, I have (b) It is not possible to indicate any such percentage as imports will SHRI PILOO MODY: Sir, kindly depend upon actual requirements. **plain the question to the Minister. (c) Imports are restricted to the in escapable minimum and are allowed MR. SPEAKER: I will have to ask only in regard to those items which IMro to keep quiet. Let him not do it have been certified as not being in »me*f time. digenously availab'e. *5 Orel Answers NOVEMBER 23, 1972 Oral Answers 16 STATBMjffiJf ' P «ioi Value of Value of Value of Value of Percentage Percentage the the food the of the of the indigenous imported and total imported imported purchases'1 purchases fertiliser . purchases ^purchases purchase* imports------out- made i ItttVlteidtt «fter ex of the to the eluding total value total food and of the purchases fertilizer imported made import* purchases I 2 3 4 5 6 7 ■■ ■ (in crores of rupees) F'nt . 55*79 I25‘ 44 Stitistics I8I-23 69-22 Statistics Cyii'ly a^iraji). not avail ■not avail » able. able. Sicani Plan Period 152*78 204’ 10 Do. 356-88 57-19 Do (yeiarly average) T liriPlnP-’fivxi . 353 JO 298-19 202-77 ■>51*29 45*78 21*27 (yearly average) 1966-19(59 (Yearly av:rag;) . 375-37 477 06 378 64 852.43 f55-96 20 77 F 3.i rth Plan 430*79 267-88 188-69 698 *67 38*34 15 ‘S3 (1969-70) 1970-71 . 518-30 227-43 134-21 745*73 3050 15*5 1971-72 . . . 773-09 253*81 123-64 1026-90 24’ 72 14*41 SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: I would SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: Are shor xike to know what incentives are given tages in supply of raw materials to to the private enterprise for import those who deal in import substitution substitution works? handled by the Government? SHRrB^R." CHAVAN: As a result SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: No raw of the import substitution drive materials are supplied by the Depart- launched by the DGS&D, Cenral Pur ment of Supply. chase Organisation, a further break through has been achieved during the last two years in the field of develop SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: Specially ment and procurement of a number iron and steel. of items like aluminium cables and conductors, fceavy trailers, impellors SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: Iron and ; for turbine pumps, duplex milling are controlled commodities; they get machines, auto synchronous motors, them from the market or against their testing equipments, condoms and quota entitlement about 20,000 items for earth moving and construction equipment- The indigenous development of such a . SHRI MUHAMMED KH0DA large number of items of spare parts BAKHSH: What is the foreign has resulted in saving o t about change involved in importing the arti Rs. 140 lakhs in foreign exchange cles not indigenously available? during the years 1969-70 and 1070*71. offers are '■ given ■ price SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: X have Mid i^^jSrenee to some extent over import in reply to part (a) that a statement ed offers by way of incentive. is laid on the Table of the Hotu*. f*7 Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 2, 1804 (SAKA) Oral Answers ig i o n suffered for Non-utilisation of to cnswer 'his cucstion at tb» moment 'Imported Machinery at Durgapur because I have not received all the Steel Plant information I shall certainly do so as soon as it is available and I place #144, SHRI NAWALt KISHORK U before the House, Hon members SHARMA Will the Minister of STEEL will appreciate that, so far as non- AND MINES be pleased to state utilisation of machinery is concerned, it is not easy to calculate the exact (a) the total loss suffered as a result loss So far as actual non-utili&ation non-utilisation of imported machin ij* concerned, I will get all those facts ery at Durgapur Steel Plant, and and whatever information uf avail able, I will put it before the House. (b) the action taken or proposed to be taken against those who are res ponsible for the same9 SHRI PILOO MODY Normally when the Minister does not have the infor THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND mation, the practice is to postpone the MINES (SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- question to the following week, so that MANGALAM) • (a) and (b) Informa supplementary can be asked on that tion whether there has been any loss question I urge on you, Sir, to as a result of non-utilization im follow that practice m this case also ported machinery m the Durgapur Steel Plant and if so, its magnitude, MR SPEAKER There is no such is being collected and will be laid on practice, but 1 will examine this Nor the table of the House mally questions are not postponed SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA How much time will you take to col I have no question to ask now It ma> lect the information’ (Interruption). be answered later on I request that it may be postponed SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA MANGALAM The hon Member will SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA appreciate that vie are not trying to What is the total value of the equip avoid the question We have an ment that is lying unutilised’’ That swered man> questions This is a Information ought to be ^ available matter which is somewhat difficult to even now answei we are trwng to get it as early as we can SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- MANGALAM We have not yet re ceived that information We shall give SHRI SAMAR GUHA I have been complete information to the House as a victim of this Many of my ques soon as it is available tions were being replied to that the facts were being collected and would be supplied afterwards Later on, they are not supplied on the floor of the House Sometimes it takes even w to r «ftf $ $ i two or three months to supply the fwfinftrc- srrznft vrm vt f*r*r information Here vte are completely deprived of the opportunity ol putting supplementanes or discussing in the House Therefore it is better if the SHRI D. N TIWARY Mav I know Minister is not equipped with the why they are not utilised, why they whole information, that the question , are lying idle? is deferred for a week or two, so that SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- we can get the opportunity of putting JMANGALAM; I am not m a position supplementaries. 19 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 23, 1972 Oral Answers 2 0 - MR SPEAKER I will And out some metal*s We had been following some practice, hot her* but somewhere t (a) whether it has been decided Up substantially curtail the capital and v ft m m ws^ar. wmr operational costs of the three steel plants *?ft T O % ^ V^RT & t fa imrvrtr f*s®r tfr *rr t % ( > if so the reasons therefor; send wsrsfjf wrap# ?fi whrbr n n i, ?f» ?■ (c) the extent to which these ed** are Hk* y to be curtailed’ 2i Oral Anm ers AGRAHAYANA St, 1*94 {SAKA) Oral Answers 22 THE *KNI8TEB OF STEEL AND and the scope for reduction of costs t H N » (SHRI S. MOHAN JCUMARA- would be fully examined bitotfe ttfkihg MANGALAM). (e> to (c). A state investment defclsiofis ment is IttM on fee Table ot the House (c) The extent to which capital and STAttMftftY operating costs cm be reduced would (a) and (b). Presuambly, the relei toe known precise y only after the De ettce is to the three new steel «tants tailed Prefect Reports *re prepared being get up at Salem in Tamiinadu for thee* projects. Vtfayanagar (near Hospet) in Mysoie and at Visakhapatnam in Andhra Pra SHRI iNDARJIT GUPTA The desh. 4ttMWU8ti is Wd*«ed “Whether it has been aecided to As regards the Sirtem Special Steels substantially curtail the capital and Projects the Consultants have esti operational costs of the three steel mated that the Capital Cfctet w6tild be plants ” about Ra 340 «rwes for i»n annual capacity of 191000 tonnes of finished And the hon Minister has* started fctetf and they 'save forecast» marginal by saying profit of Rs 30 lakhs fcer annum at 90 per cent capacity uti'ization Dur ing the preparation of the Detailed “Presumably, the reference is to the three new steel plants * Project Report, the scope for reducing both capital and operating costs would But, this presumption ma» not be be kept in view in order to improve correct The question may be lefer- the economics of the project rmg to the existing steel plai L As for the Vijayanagar and Visakha SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- patnam Steel Projects the Consultants MANGALAM If I am wroft« in my have repotted that the capital outlay reply, I may answer the oiher ques involved would be about Rs 750 crores tion as well because -we have no inten on each ol these projects lor an annual tion of curtailing the capital Costs of capacity equivalent to two million the existing stee' plants Henc*», the ingot tonnes and they have forecast question cannot arise substantial losses every year, on t*ie investments—due to the h*gh cost of plant and eouiument, raw materials SHRI INDRAJIT GUP FA What transportation charges etc The Feasi- about expansion7 biliv Reoorts m resoect of these two projects are, therefore, under detailed SHRI V MAY AVAN With regard scrutiny with a view to reducing co ts to the three new steel plants which Wherever possible A Study Group the Central Government has * ■ v tion- was set up for this purpose in Ma\, ed two years back, may I know from 1972 and its Report was received m the hon Minister whether it is a iact October 1972 The Study Group has that the Government has received the recommended that the capacity of both reports of the consultants oi the these plants should be raised by instal feasibility of these three sl**el plants ling larger 1 ’ ast furnaces so as to and if so, what are the details of the obtain econr "lies of scale and the report and to what extent the Gov Consultants ’"We, therefore, advised ernment Jiave accepted jftoe recom to work out i fresh exerc< e for re mendation of the consultants’ duction of both capital and operating cost*, A ftnal view is exoecied to be SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- taken shortly on the capacity and MANGALAM I think that clears the laroduct^mix of each of these plants position as to Which are steel plants 23 Oral' Answers ': " ' Nbv&feEftiwfc ’ 1 K'• 24 - ..to the Jogl^auv^emlwebtr' i&Sr t * lev& of lianded' coBt ; ferred. Three feasibility reports have ments, that wra mean a subltiiri'tial been submitted, one in relation to the improvement. We must' ialso enforce Salem steel plant, one in relation to economy in the layout. We must the 1 ^poaed jplant ' at Vijlyanagar learn from w.h»t is. done in otbe/ fch3 khcftherln reialion to the one tiro- countries. ' ; posed to ’ be cotuifructfeft' stt ' iWtelclia* ’ : patkam.' According to the consultants’ SHR1V. MAYAVAN: When is the report in relation to the Salem steel Salem Steel Plant likely to start pro plant, the project will cost about duction? Has the State Government Rs. 340 crores and a marginal*; profit drawn up a scheme for Water supply? will be made at 90 pep cent capacity Have our Railways finalised the re utilisation. The product-mix of that port on the construction of exchange ; plant is mainly 70,000 tonnes of stain- yards and sidings? ‘less steel and almost a similar quan tity of silicon steel, apart from other SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- special steels. The total saleable steel MANGALAM: It is expected to come produced in that plant will be around into production in 3 stages. So far as . 200,000 tonnes. the cold-rolling complex is concerned, it is expected to come up in 3 years, So far as Vijayanagar and Visakha- that is, by 1976. So far as the pro patnam steel plants are concerned, the duction of stainless steel is concerned original feasibility report that was this could come about by end of 1977 submitted on the basis of a two million and silicon steel sheets, by about early tonne capacity for each of these two 1979. Regarding water supply and plants estimated a loss for. Vijaya railway yard, these are still under pre nagar as between somewhere over paration. Rs. 50 to Rs. 70 crores per year at 90 per cent capacity utilisation and a SHRI DINESH SINGH: The Minis substantial loss of Rs. 45 crores in the ter has said about the various Visakhapatnam plant at the same level measures which he has in mind. By of utilisation. We have further re when will he be able to implement viewed the reports in collaboration these things? and consultation with the consultants. We have substantially reducei losses SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- bringing them down to a,—I would MANGALAM; There is the Steering ■ not say completely manageable,—but Committee which has been set up in not unmanageable, figure. The posi connection with the preparation of the tion today on the basis of varying report and this had a meeting just product-mix and also increasing capa about one or two weeks ago, I expect city is this. So far as Vizag is con the report to come up before Govern cerned, the working, after allowance ment for consideration in this month of depreciation and interest, would itself. I am not in a position to give give us a loss of Rs. 16 crores. So any assurance just now, but we will far as Vijayanagar is concerned, it examine the report, There is no point will work at a profit of one crore in our just coming to some decision cow and later on we will be able to in a hurry ip a matter where such run a* reasonable profit. We are enormous expenditure is involved, un attempting to bring about, further less we are certain and we axe con* economies. There are various reasons vinced that we are taking the correct lor; the difficulties which we face. If decision. .we bring down cost of equipment pro duced in the Heavy Engineering Cor* SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: , aporation, end even some of the private Has advanced technology for continu \ftipetar corrpanies, bringing then to the ous casting of flat products teen 25 Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 2, 1894 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26 denied to Bokaro plant by the col It would have meant a reduction m laborators resulting in additional cost the cost of steel per tonne ol steel9 Was it due to the absence of genuine bargaining power SHRI B S MURTHY The hon. on the part of the Government that Minister was pleased to say when the we could not get the most advanced Salem Steel Plant would go into technology for this and this has meant production I would ike to know a greater cost per tonne of steel’ when the Ho^oet as well as the Visakhapatanam plants will go into MR SPEAKER Does the main ques production in the light of the reoly tion include Bokaro also’ that h* has given about the Salem Steel Plant’ SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- MANGALAM I am m your hands SHRI S MOHAN KUMARAMAN- Sir GALAM The estimate is that it would take about six to seven years MR SPEAKER Does Bokaro also from the time that we approve of the come within the scope of the mam feasibility report question’ MR SPEAKER Next question SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA It does It relates to stee plants How are we to know which steel plant SHRI D N HWARY I would like is referred to’ So we can ask about to ask on#» question Bokaro also SHRI B K DASCHOWDHURY SHRI S MOHAN KUMARAMAN- Mav I ask one supplemental question GALAM I do not want to take refuge on this’ under any technicalities I am ready to reply The hon Member need not MR SPEAKER About which plant’ feel that any information will be kept back from him Though it does not SHRI D N TIWARY About al the arise out of the main question stiU th»ee Onh about those mentioned m I shall reply t le question and not an / other SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA MR SPEAKER Not on any plant I do not agree with it m Bihar’ SHRI S MOHAN KUMARAMAN- GALAM The hon Member may kindly SHRI D N TIWARY Not on any look at the language which is three plant m Bihar or even in Orissa steel p ants' He knows English a & well as I do I think May I know whether Government So far as Bokaro is concerned, the have kept an eye on the recurring original specifications given from the expenditure, because experience has Indian side to the Russians in relation shown that m other steel plants over to the Bokaro steel plant did not staffing was the reason for higher cost of nroduction’ Mav I know whether include a provision for continuous Government are alive to seeing that casting and that is how continuous there is no overstaffing in the present casting is not there, steel plants to be setup’ SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA But why’ It Is the most advanced SHRI S MOHAN KUMARAMAN- technology’ Why was it not included’ GALAM We shall certainly try to 27 Oral Answers NOVWM0BBH 99, 1972 Oral Jbmaetg 2&t i ensure that in regard to tfre actual If labour that is employed in these plants, the assessment is made pro w w i perly and we do not have surplus labour in these plants. The hon. * 1 4 7 . f e w * : Member, however, is not quite right in his statement that there has been f « ft* farer : overstaffing in all the plants. There has been a certain amount in one or f *7 SETT* tw o... . rrr ^ fa : SHRI D. N. TIWARY: But the (V ) 5F4T fr «ffTO reports of the Estimates Committee % ?rfsfPT n % v&tm *mc- on this subject are there. strt w w r *pr fosrr ?f?T SFIRI S MOHAN KUMARAMAN- GALAM For instance, in Durgapur, (*f) U fa ?T, fft 7 TO aftn ?rt % ? it has been found out that if anything, we are slightly understaffed but certainly not overstaffed. THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- MANGALAM): (a) No, Sir. MR. SPEAKER- Next question (b) Does not arise. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY- I wanted to ask one supplementary question f fa? ^tt sfr*m- q ir.p - * u : «r«wr, MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Members should not get up to ask supplemen 1 1 tary qtwrtioas, after for«e supple mentary queiition* are over SHRI S MOHAN KUMARAMAN- According to the repcuts received from <2AI*AM X can only repeat No, Sir them some establishments have not yet implemented the Recommend* SIR SPEAKER. What was your tions but full information about their question? names is not available s r w c wt trnjT *R®prt % ?rr*r ^ srrt % ?rw «Ff nf wto ferr *rr THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND some small papers in some State*, REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. They come and disappear alto. Some KHADILKAR): So far as our in are just struggling to exist. In suck formation goes, with our efforts 75 a situation, if the hon. member so per cent implementation has taken desires, we will compile the entire place. The State Governments do r»o list and place it before the House. respond as they should to our com munications. We are again and again making persistent efforts by way of SHRI R. S. FANDEY; Part (c) of persuasion to take steps in this direc the question is: tion. “the names of the newspaper# who have not implemented the wage award for Working Journalists to far?” % f*T(T tsr mi spT’TSff Wr*PR MR. SPEAKER: He has replied to * faRT, f fat* *PT % rrqr? *rr it. Wt frpSfcrft «ft ^fT SHRI R S. PANDEY: No; he only- ft'ft Trrf^F w t^crt said, some small, some big. 'THT "TfTt aP% eft sftt t sfT’W I f W • ^ t fa? 75 *6* SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: Under faqrr *TOT t I % q-RT sq^RTTT % 5TPT the ac\ the responsibility for im plementation is left to the appro ^ t 1 t ^ srRJTr I far s m priate Government and the State Governments are very much keen on t o t r : w # 'rcNhrc ^ this. Even in other cases like bonus, t> tit w tot wJrasr these are implemented by the appro priate Government. We cannot just % % f^nr ^ now contemplate bringing about a change. The present method of persua % 1 zrfa tfif *f*t it m sion is being pursued. Later on, when arti srTRfr | «Ft we undertake the second exercise, if at all it comes, we can think of i t ’ jrm t I, at snsr w*tr m w w rai t ? r m w m «<***: # stfrt g fit fo r jwRnrf % *r«ft SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: As F. said, it has been decided that imple Iff Tnrrt vt vnn Stay of stall In Indian High Copiznissian UK for over three y«a*s ^ ?ft JUlft ft I + f i *152 SHfU J’RABQDH .CHANDRA: 5ft^r5i7?r^3rfr^^|i^r anrc Stiftl OKKAK LAL kEfflVA ?, s$rf$«r$#?rmztuj Will the Minister of EXTERNAL wnc t o f t ^ | i ^ ^ jyscff^R AFFAIRS be pleased to state t \ f® # i^w r % w ^r qr (a) the number of Officers who w t vftt fr nwwwr have been in the Indian High Com mission, UK for more than three yeaw; wpN- ** favr (b) the number of officers and staff I fftK w ^ 1 1 who resigned from the Indian High Commission, UK during the last three years after their requests for *ft vftw w*r w ^ cancellation of transfer orders were % *T | fa faH m ^ f t turned down, and Sift *rf sfa f^PT "ETC l^RT- (c) whether some members ot the staff have been found indulging m £?rc «nrc>£i*r$o business and have built up immov ffinfrw * farr | ? *rr *m- able property in U K 9 h£ «??rr srswn $ pp w w a THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE %3*r %aiT* qrivtvqf fonr$, Wf MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS % 1J5T fa^TT 3TBT sRT *Pt V tf (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) fRT srw? (a) 30 (b) 8 «ft w b* if t % ftp* $*r % J c t st ^ e: 2522 LS—8 35 Written Answers NOVEMBER 23, 1972 Written, Answers 36 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO present liberalised licensing policy QUESTIONS would, on the basis of their licensed capacities, finally have potential for Construction of Navy Training Centre contributing an additional 12,85 lakh at Chilka M e tat Orisea. tonnes of steel per annum. *146. SHRI DASARATHA DEB: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be (b) A Working Group on Ferrous pleased to state: Scrap constituted by the Ministry, has in its Report, submitted during (a) whether about 10 crores of November, 1971, inter alia studied/ rupees have already been spent on assessed the overall availability of preliminary construction work for ferrous scrap for the electric-furnace the proposed Navy Training Centre industry. at Chilka lake in Orissa; (b) if so, whether the proposed Admission of Bangladesh into UJSf.O. scheme has been abandoned now; and (c) if so, the reasons thereof? *150. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF: SHRI D. K. PANDA: THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) No, Sir. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) and (c). The proposal for locat ing the centre at Chilka has been (a) whether the Chinese have used dropped due to the possibility of veto power in the United Nations adverse effects on the environment. Organisation when the question of membership of Bangladesh was taken up; and Setting up of Mini Steel Plants (b) the efforts being made by *148. SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO: Government for admission of Bang SHRI BAKSI NAYAK: ladesh into United Nations Organi sation in such circumstances? Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state: (a) the extent to which steel pro duction is likely to be increased as a THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL result of setting up Mini steel plants; AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. China used its veto in the Security Council where the (b) whether any assessment has question of the membership of Bang been made for the requirement of the ladesh was taken up in August this scrap iron lor these plants? year. ' 1 (b) The Government pH India is THE MINISTER QF 8$BEt* AND in constant touch with Bangladesh MINES (SHfo S. MOHAN KUMARA- and other countries In the msftW*. A. MANGAtAM): (a) The dectric-fbnace- resolution has already been tabled in ettRMtoatlnuoua casting units which the General Assembly esfcressing the have been approved for grant qf ‘In desire that Bangladesh will be ad dustrial Licence’ /«Carrylng-on-Bu*i * mitted to the tfnited Nations at an ness' and *Letters of Intent’ under the early date. 37 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 2, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 38 Import of Steel for Industries during Development Corporation and Bharat 1972-73 and 1973-74 Coking Coal Limited are facing finan cial stringency; •151. SHRI K. MALLANNA: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES (b) whether they have approached l>e pleased to state: the Government for financial help; and (a) whether Government have any scheme to do away with the imports (c) the reaction of the Government of steel while keeping Indian indust in this regard? ries to work to capacity maintaining the desired production development; THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND (b) if so, the main features thereof; MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMA- and RAMANGALAM): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) the amount qf steel imports likely to be made during the period (b) In the case of neither there has 1972-73 and 1978-74? been any difficulty m operation due to shortage of financial resources. Funds are released by Government to THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND both the Corporations from time to MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMA- time against provisions made in the RAMANGALAM): (a) and (b). While Budget to meet their requirements it is Government's endeavour to with the approval of Government, the gradully reduce the import of steel National Coal Development Corpora without detriment to the industrial tion has requested the State Bank activity in the country, it may not of India for enhancement of cash credit be economically expedient lor a arrangements from Rs. 7.45 crores to country to manufacture steel required Rs. 10 crores. The earlier cash credit m ail the size and specifications irres arrangements had (been fixed in 1964- pective of the tonnages. As such, 65. With the expansion of the oper some imports wouid seem inevitable. ations of the National Coal Develop ment Corporation, this enhancement (c) No precise estimate of quantity has become necessary to meet the and value of the steel likely to be increased working capacity require imported during 1972-73 and 1973-74 ments. Bharat Coking Coal Ltd. also can be given at present. However, it have a Bank overdraft facility of is anticipated that imports will be over Rs. 5 crores. 1.0 million tonnes in 1972-73 and less in 1973-74, particularly if domestic (c) The Government have taken all production shows substantial increase necessary steps to ensure that the ta 1972-73. operations of both these Corporations are not affected due to lack of liquid Financial Stringency Faced by resources. National Coal Development Corporation and Bharat Coking Committee to keep watch on payment Coal Ltd. of Bonos by Companies *153 SHRI RAMKANWAR: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES •154. KUMARI KA&LA KUMARI: be pleased to state: Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITATION be pleased to (a) whether the attention of Go state; vernment hat been drawn to a report ia the ‘‘Economic Times*' dated the (a) whether Government are setting 28th July, 1972 that the National Coal up a Committee to keep watch on 39 Written Answers NOVEMBER 29* 1972 Written Answers 40 the Companies to pay the minimum the Pharmacist course In military hos £ontn to thtir 4mptoye& aft« pitals and forward ssim»i and (b) 'if so, When? THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (b) if so, the authority allowing REltABrLltATtott (S&ftit B. K. admissibility for the same? KliADILiKAR): (a) No, Sir. (b) The enfrocement ol the Pay THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE ment of Bonus Act, 1965 is secured by (Stf&I jA&tfVAtf RA&t): 1 (k) ana the Central Government tod the (b).k Recruitment ot dispense*® (Mow State Governments in their respec being redesignated as PhahrifidSt) is tive spheres. They maintain the re made from Qualified and trained hur- quisite inspecting machinery to ensure sing orderlines (fooW refle'sighkted &s compliance with the provisions of the nursing assistants) While such re- Act. It is not considered ne<&ss&ry mustering as Pharmacist is done afVer to set up another agency for the same proper training, in exceptional cases purpose. When qualified dispensers are not readily available, nutsing assistants are employed on duties of dispensers under Move 4or Treaty of Friendship and close supervision of medical officers. C«M»pera«it>n, between India «nd B.S.A. *155. SHRI ARJUN SETHI: New Labour Policy BHIM C. R. CHANDRAPPAN: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL *157. SHRI P. M. MEHTA Will the AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Minister Of LABOUR AND REHABI LITATION be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have extended their hahd cff friendship to (a) whether Government are consi MTfifr a trebty~of friendship and coope- dering to IhflVe h£w l&our policy; ttttion With U. S. A i; And (b) if so, the broad outlines thereof? (b) if so, the broad oultines thereof; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (c) whetner the Trade Unions have (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): agreed to tjie nfew ppBcy? $*) ffeither Government hm such a treaty under consideration at pre vent. ' * THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. KL (b) Does not arise. KHADILKAR): <«) and (b). It is pro posed bring forward a ccmojMrtjfeen- Utilization of Nursing Orderlies as aive taw on r industrial retetfons. thiijin'WiV^'x * ‘ ,4 Details in this regard are being work ed out. *156, SHRI RAJDEO SINGH: W1U r the Minister otpXFENCE be pleased to siaW; 1 J (c) The proposed tatr on Industrial: (a) wffefce me Nuhdng Orderlies' relations takes note of the views ex- are u tilM t as full-fledged Phltiiri^' cist without having been qualified to 4* Written Answer® AGRAHAYANA 2, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 42 Low production at 84e*l Mftnte due (c> whether the price of the Envoy to Shortage of Coking Coal TK-67 Transistors has been reduced by about one-fourth, and (d) whether it has been or is being *158 DR RANEN SEN Will the decided to sell these Transistors Minister ol STEEL AND MINES be through the Canteen Stores? pleased to state THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (a) whether a serious coking coal (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) (a) and (b) shortage has affected production in The General Manager Super Bazai, the three nmjpr steel plants belong New Delhi addressed a letter to the ing to the Hindustan Steel Limited, Secretary Ministry of Defence regard ing the sale of Envoy TK-87 Transis (b) if so, the reasons for the shor tors through the Canteen Stores tage, and Department (India) of the Ministry of Defence According to the General (c) the steps taken to ensure Manager th«se transistors worth about adequate supply of coking coal to the Rs 1.54 l3ihj> valued at cost are lying .steel plants? unsold with the Super Bazar Con naught Place, New Delhi THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND (c) The Super Bazar have reduced MINES (SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- the price of these transistors from MANGALAM) (a) No Sir Rs 85 to Rs 75 (d) No Sir It is the policy of the Canteen Store* Department (India) to (b) Does not arise make purchases direct from the manufacturers without havemg to (c) Continuous efforts are made pay a margin to the intermediaries with the co-operation of the Coal Controller, Bharat Coking Coal Ltd, * ** ** V* * 1* TO*** National Coal Development Corpora tion, other coal producers and Rail ways to ensure adequate supply of * w r ) $ mnftra coking coal to the steel plants OTNflT * 160. H P wm : *WT Sale of Envoy 'HM ? Transistors ITS W T * ff *159. SHRI BHQGENDRA JHA (*f) m m Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state 4 facT^rr 19 72 $ ‘fc f^T^TR c t f * ’ f ‘‘fra* % ^ (a) whether Super Bazar, Cannaught W srrar" (forr *rV Place, New Delhi has still unsold En voy TK-$7 Transistors worth about rorftrff «r*rr^ir two lakhs of rupees, qfr «r>T wtft f^mrr *nrr | sffr zrfe i?r, nJ*t «tt w srfa fw *m iftr vh | 1 tt®*t s w d fr *Fj*fer THE MINISTER OF STATE fw »wt | fa flRrWWt *n: (DEFENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE «fnfr four* (b) if so, the particulars therefor’ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE w w ftf o f faffrtfm irwta arm ^ MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS fr wfr fTfTT VCfr *51 (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) (a) No, Sir. the matter is stil under con sideration. (b) Does not arise* 1403. j p m tpt wrajwm: w r fwNr »refV ^ srnfr ^ Audit of Mftzagon Dock Limited Bombay, fa ; 1402. SHRX VAYALAR RAVI: Will the Minister of JWENCE be pleased ( v ) *rr W W n r to state: *rartor fr *rrar w^arx fr «gr t fa **...-A .... . %« «l rs_ (a) -whether the Chief Comiriereial wwsnwT wt w$r v w % Auditor, Western Region, Government of India Hud conducted detailed audit ippjr v i v w vrfvnfr ifof 45 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 2, 1894 (SAKA) Wntten Answers 46 ( * ) *er (w ) ’r w tc ^ iRrc^fhr hrfgrwr r m tfwrwr ( w iw w i ) * *rr#r vt $fa?r fW'R»ft »flT v # r v srfort— f o r ^ (v ) (v ) tstt ^ «r# «rnsr?*r- ’tptt sftr v w rtw *A* w r % T?mfr ^ lJTT % farT w tft^ r srst ww vhr fwr «tt—% ^r- f^r*rfw ^ % fair irw st^t, *r sr^mi*T % *nr& f*F?fV *ft srm^far Sr ST>ffeft (jft^Hd) *FT7WRT Wfa'tf **r vt *rrar s^rr sfr- 3% vrtfm *ft v&m fa*rr m t 1 1 *T*rfr # crrd^r ^ ? n sifter* I \ wixftn zr? ?ft $fa?r vrrwrr wrr f?roT *ftt §■ f% vvPfcTtrR' jpt anranr «w*i 1 for nft *n ror %% % fir m s^ptt 3IT% % 5FTTnF ?fkT ^?ft % (*r) vpgt vmsrHT w ifw 5f W WRrflPT ^ $> ^r?fr % sqmrr 'tk f w mm 1 1 1404. «ft m nvm tftfwr : w r w t ireft *Rn% tit rrT