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David and Vicki’s RV-10 ly the cabin structure. Van has refined his kits over the years, By Michael Stephan but being one of the first to build a new model still has its dif- ficulties. In the wing kit, the center section is included Our chapter is lucky to have one that will be used to build the of the first RV-10s being assem- wings. But, to have it built into bled by two of our younger the quickbuild , which Chapter members. David and David and Vicki opted for, it must Vicki Jones have been members be sent back to Van’s. When the for nearly two years now and are fuselage arrived a few weeks ago, already working on the fuselage very much delayed by the dock- of one of the first RV-10 quick- workers strike in California, build delivered. David and Vicki realized that the Being married and working spar center section was not the on a project together seems like a one that they had sent back. It was recipe for disaster, but this pair from someone else’s kit. has personalities that really compliment each other. Vicki Rightfully concerned, they loves the building and David can’t wait to fly it. So together brought it to the attention of Scott Risen at Van’s who after there is the push to move the project forward quickly and doing some research and talking to the engineers told David with great workmanship. David is an IFR pilot and Vicki is and Vicki that it would be OK to use. Interchangeable parts finishing her IFR training. They have a Piper Warrior at of this type are rare in the airplane kit industry. I guess if you Grand Prairie, but will say goodbye to it once the RV-10 is can make thousands of rivet holes exactly match in an air- ready to fly. frame, then I guess you can do it for the spars as well. I guess So far the tail and wings are complete. The tail kit is a lit- we won’t know for sure until they actually mate the wings to tle different than most in that it includes the tail cone of the the fuselage. fuselage as well. So the fuselage portion of the kit is basical- Continued on page 5

February, 2005 Volume 36, Issue 2, Page 1 Chapter 168 Information By Michael Stephan

Feb 1st Chapter Meeting Feb 8th Board of Directors Meeting

The February The BOD meeting will be held on eb. 8th at the Farmers Chapter meeting Branch Manske Library at 7:00 PM. The minutes from the will be on Tuesday January BOD meeting recorded by John Peyton are as fol- February 1st. It will lows: be held at the Farmers Branch • Directors in attendance: Michael Stephan , David Cheek, Library, located on Monroe McDonald, Don Christiansen , Sam Cooper, Don the northwest cor- Wilcox, Jerry Mrazek, Ron Bonnette, John Peyton, Clay ner of Webb Chapel Romeiser, Bruce Fuller. and Golfing Green •We discussed the upcoming event calendar: Dr. The meeting • The February meeting will feature Dan Shoemaker fo the will be held in the Nation Weather Service. auditorium and will • The February fly-in will be to Stevenville (SEP) for BBQ begin at 6:30 p.m. at the Hard Eight. Meet at 11:30. and finish by 9:00 • The March newsletter will be folded at Brad and Deia p.m. Roberts' house on Febb 22. The next month will be the The Speaker for this meeting will Dan Shoemaker of the Mesquite Flight School. National Weather Service. Dan is a forcaster, and will show • David Cheek and the incomeing Vice President, Ron us what is involved in developing aviaiton weather forcasts. Bonnette, dicussed upcoming apeakers. Understanding the forcast is good knowledge for making the • Michael Stephan gave the Treasurer's report for December proper “go-no go” decisions. He is also a proficient hang- and the end of year report. 2004 ended with positive cash glider pilot. So if you are interested, you might be able to slip flow. in a few of those questions as well. See you there. • New Board members were discussed. • It was decided to accept an offer of a free RV Story DVD. Feb 5th Chapter Fly-In • The subcommittee on alternative meeting places reported that Dallas Public Library branches have meeting rooms This month's fly-in will require some flying. We are going to available for one to two hours at $25.00 and three hours at Stevenville (SEP) for lunch at the Hard BBQ restaurant. We $45.00. The subcommittee was instructed to continue the have tried the Hard Eight two times before, but came up search. snake eyes both times. Since the third time is a charm, we • The Board then discussed the details of transfering the task should have no problem. of data base management from Jerry Mrazek to Clay The Hard Eight is a short walk from the field, but a golf Romeiser’s online application. cart is available for those who want to ride. We will meet at • Nametags for the monthly meeting was also dicussed. the field at 11:30 and walk over together. The BBQ is the Continued on page 4 best, so make plans to attend. See you there.

February, 2005 Volume 36, Issue 2, Page 2 A Message from the President By Sam Cooper

Jan Collmer delivered a great program at our January Chapter Meeting. The best part was a new video Jan showed us fea- turing in-plane footage of his Fina Extra 300 aerobatic rou- tine. This was about twelve minutes of high level yank and bank aerobatics that certainly helps me understand how much effort the pilot is really exerting. If the video did not convince you, then the average +7g to -3g Jan experiences on every routine sure does, especially without a g-suit! The video also had a nice small synchronized “picture in a picture” showing the routine from ground level to keep the audience oriented. Jan stated that they were still refining the video, hopefully it more popular types were. Without giving away the whole will be available in the near future. story (I want to turn this into a longer article for the newslet- Jan will be returning to the DFW Airport Board at the ter) the most numerous models have been as follows: RV-6 & request of Mayor Laura Miller. As you have probably -6A (15); RV-8 & -8A (7); RV-4 (5); Zenith CH-601 (4); KR- noticed, DFW Airport is completing some expensive con- 2 (3); and Glasair (2). The other 23 first flights were individ- struction projects (new people mover, international termi- ual instances of a huge variety of models. All the major con- nal), but is also dealing with economic challenges (Delta struction types are represented in this set. While most of the withdrawal, American difficulties, Wright amendment chal- aircraft were kits, we also have some plans built completions. lenges). We had a lively Q&A session on some of these Mike Hoye’s Pober Pixie II design (with Paul Poberezny con- issues, and Jan certainly helped me appreciate the magni- sulting) and scratch build project first flown in about June tude of the regional economic impact that is at stake, it is 2000 is an incredible example of the non-kit extreme. While significant. I understand the natural desire to be part of a group building Jan also updated us on the Frontiers of Flight Museum at a popular model, I like to enjoy and celebrate the diversity of Love Field. The museum is doing well, adding exhibits and models our members have completed and flown. We are all display aircraft on a regular basis. It has also very quickly sport aviation enthusiasts. become a popular site for parties and corporate functions. A If you have information to be added to this database of first small group of us visited the museum for our January “Fly- flights, please let me know. I would like to go back further in”, and we enjoyed a tour with a knowledgeable docent. into Chapter 168 history if we can. They have a nice display of aircraft now, but it will expand Remember to participate and enjoy the journey! and evolve over time. In preparation for serving as this year’s Chapter President, I have been thinking about some of the things that we do well and the things that we can improve on as an organization. My personal gut feeling was that one of our strengths was helping each other build and complete our air- craft projects. So, I did some research through my back issues of Hangar Echoes (late 1990 through 2004) to see how many first flights (including major restorations) our Chapter mem- bers have made in this fifteen year period. So far, I have counted 59 first flights by members during this time period. Wow! That averages out to about 3.9 first flights per year! Our best years have been 1997 with 8 and 1993 with 7. In addition, for 1995 - 2002 we had 43 first flights in 8 years. We hit a small lull in 2003 - 2004 with only two first flights, but we should recover quickly in 2005. When I mentioned some preliminary numbers from this research during the January Meeting, I was asked what the

February, 2005 Volume 36, Issue 2, Page 3 Chapter 168 Information Continued from page 2

Feb. 22nd Newsletter Assembly posites; sheet metal; fabric; electrical; gas welding; and “What’s Involved in Kitbuilding?” For further details, go to The March newsletter will be assembled on Tuesday www.sportair.org, or call 800-967-5746. February 22th at 7 pm at the home of Brad and Deia Roberts Our current President, Sam Cooper, has previously attended at 10716 St. Lazare Drive in Dallas. If you need directions the Composite Construction workshop (focusing on moldless they can be reached at 214-351-0475. composites) and greatly enjoyed his educational weekend. Brad is building an RV-7. He is not going the quickbuild These workshops are a great way to learn a new skill, or to route and is making good progress. You have seen RVs try out a new construction method. Notice that they also cre- before, but you have not seen Brad's. Also, we have only seen ated a new workshop on test flying your aircraft. That one one other RV-7 before, so come on out and join us for some interests me. fun. NameTags Upcoming Events I am only going to have nametags produced once a year, since the engravers aren't interested unless I have a certain number. We don't do that many per year. The March meeting will be For even more flying events visit www.fun-places-to-fly.com the deadline to let me know if you want one. The price will be detemined at the time I order them, but expect somewhere Local around $8. I have a short list already, so if you told me you • Feb 5 -Chapter 168 Fly-in to Stevenville, for BBQ at the wanted one and didn't get one, I still have you name. I should Hard 8. Meet at 11:30 heve them ready for the April meeting to be picked up. If you • Feb 5 EAA Chapter 59 Pancake Breakfast McGregor Exec want me to mail it to you, we can make special arrangements. Airport Waco, Texas TIME: 8:30 - 11:00 a.m. FFI: Dan & Joyce McKee [email protected] • March 5 -Sportair Workshops at Skyline High School. For 2005 Board of Directors Nominees further details, go to www.sportair.org, or call 800-967- By Sam Cooper 5746. • Apr 9 - Bluebonnet Airshow Burnet Muni Airport Burnet, Texas The elections for the 2005 Board of Directors for EAA Chapter 168 will be held during the March 1st Chapter National Meeting. The Chapter bylaws require that we at least seven, • Apr 12-18 2005 Sun 'n Fun Fly-In Lakeland, FL. but no more than eleven, Directors. The current slate of nom- inees for the Board of Directors election is as follows: News and Notes • Mel Asberry • Bruce Fuller • David Cheek • Monroe McDonald By Michael Stephan • Don Christiansen • Brad Roberts Aeroshell Oil We would like to thank these members for volunteering to On my occasional stroll through Sam’s Club, I check the tool serve on the Board. We welcome any addtional nominations aisle just in case there is something my shop can’t do with- or volunteers, please contact our Chapter President, Sam out. When I passed the area where they sell auto oil, I noticed Cooper. Additional nominations can be made prior to the that they also sell Aeroshell aviation oil. I watch the price of election during the March 1st Chapter Meeting. it and the last time I saw it was about $22 per case. Recently, I was told that the price is down to about $12 per case. That is a bargain. It looks like Sam’s Club is trying real hard to move that oil and will probably not get any more. So, if you use Aeroshell 50 weight oil, it is worth the trip to Sam’s to get some. If you are not a member of Sam’s, let me know and we can make some kind of arrangement.

SportAir Workshops Return to Dallas The EAA SportAir workshops are returning to East Dallas on March 5-6, 2005. The workshops which are scheduled include: test flying; introduction to aircraft building; com-

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This issue of the newsletter Mel’s New Project was assembled at David By Michael Stephan and Vicki Jones’ house/factory. So as you If you didn’t attend the read this, several of us will newsletter folding at the have already visited the Asberry’s last month, you project. It won’t be long haven’t seen the latest before the drawings will be pushed aside and the wiring, airplane project that Mel instrument panel and the firewall forward work begins. Then, is building. So, I will fill hopefully, we can you in. go back and see it For the past year or so, I could tell that Mel had that itch again. David and to build another airplane. He took an interest in the RV-9 as a Vicki have been replacement for his RV-6. Dabbled a little with a tail kit. Then charting their sold it. When asked, he would say that he decided against progress online building an RV-9. He bought a new prop for the RV-6 and the with a website at: performance increase was enough to dispell the want for an http://home.one- RV-9. But, that airplane building itch was still there. Well, he main.com/~rv-10/ is scratching it now. It is not a quickbuild, not an RV and not an aluminum airplane at all. Mel is building a two seat, open They will have to work hard to be the first finished, since cockpit, tuibe and fabric plansbuilt (kitbuilt?) from there are several other local builders working on RV-10s. Murphy Renegade plans and parts. What is that you ask? Dave Dalski, another Chapter member is also quickly build- Well it is a Mel Asberry Mini Skybolt. ing an RV-10, his second RV after finishing one over a year Although the Renegade is a very well designed airplane, ago. Jay has one going Mel has in mind a few changes to make it exactly what he together at RV Central and Alex DeDominicis is working on one at Eagles Nest in Midlothian. So if any of these other builders want to be the first in the area with an RV-10, they will have to keep up with the Jones’.

February, 2005 Volume 36, Issue 2, Page 5 wanted. He likes the Kit Built or Plans Built? look of the Skybolt By Mel Asberry and Marvin Brott and plans to make changes to give the An interesting point was brought up at the Newsletter party Renegade that look. in December. Mel Asberry made the comment that his latest He plans to shorten project is “plans built.” Someone mentioned that since he the fuselage a few bought all my materials from the kit manufacturer it should inches to accommo- be considered a “kit.” Mel looked up FAA form 8000-38 date the Volkswagen which is the form used to determine if an aircraft is eligible engine he plans to use. as “amateur-built.” On this form you walk through a list He is reducing the number of fuselage stringers along the checking operations the builder performed versus what oper- side and moving two inward to give it a more flat-sided look, ations the kit manufacturer performed. The main purpose for similar to the Skybolt. The cowling will also be changed to this activity is to determine if the builder accomplishes 51% give it the longer Skybolt look. Mel is putting a little bit of of the work. Mel took this form and went through the check experimenting into his experimental. I like that, and he does list to see how his project faired. Out of 105 items relating to too. the project, he got credit for 98. Mel did purchase the pre- Mel received the formed ribs and the fiberglass turtle deck and wingtips. The bill of materials in rest of the airplane will be built from stock materials supplied early December and by Murphy Aircraft and from Murphy Renegade plans. The by the time the basic airframe will be modified to resemble a Skybolt. All of newsletter assembly this got us to thinking about definitions and where we have arrived in late been. December, he had This is our take on the different categories of experimen- the tail feathers com- tal aircraft. So let’s take a look at definitions. pleted and was beginning on the Scratch Built fuselage structure. The first homebuilts were obviously scratch built in that you The construction had to design the airplane, document the design with a set of of the airframe is not welded steel tube, but a riveted-gusset plans, and then finally built from those plans. Today we still aluminum tube structure. When studying the constructed see a few examples of scratch built at Oshkosh. pieces you realize how light this airplane is going to be. The work done so far looks very good. It is good to see Mel building again. It won’t be long before the Mel Asberry mini Skybolt takes flight. He keeps saying it is a long term “retirement” project. Not at this pace, so I’m keeping an eye on this project.

A really good current example last year at Oshkosh was the Grand Champion winner Symmetry designed and built by Cory Bird from Scaled Composites. It took Cory approxi- mately 15,000 hours to design and build Symmetry over a 14 year period.

February, 2005 Volume 36, Issue 2, Page 6 Plans Built time or about 1800 hours for an RV. This category dominated the 1970s and early eighties with many projects being bi-planes. In this case you worked from Quick Built Kit plans with the bill-of-materials This is where globalization helped defining what you purchased. The accelerate the sport aviation aircraft. material was in its stock form (i.e., With lower cost and very talented steel tube, sheets of aluminum). For labor in other countries, specifically some designs you were lucky the Philippines and Czechoslovakia, enough to be able to buy some of the opportunity to take the above the hard and time-consuming parts kits and assemble into major sub- such as cowling, gear legs, wing assemblies has taken place. Now spar and wing ribs. I know that this you can exchange an hour of labor gets tricky in that if you could buy which might include “do you want enough time-consuming parts you fries with that” for an hour of off would have a kit but this category is shore labor on your fuselage. The really a bill-of-materials driven project. The time to complete net result is for a few thousand dollars you can have a quick a plans built aircraft typically ran from 4 to 6 years. This is build kit where the wings and fuselage are nearly complete the category that Marvin Brott’s Sonerai I fit in and certainly and still meets the 51% rule. Time to build is now in the 2 to where Mel’s Murphy Renegade will fit. 3 years or about 1000 hours. Time to build is a huge variable so the above numbers are just for reference. Kit Built Jim Bede did one big thing for sport Builder Assistance Programs / aviation. He made everyone realize Learning Centers that an airplane kit was a viable prod- Now this is a helpful service. Assume uct with the advent of the BD-5 kit. you have a quick build kit and need The Christen Eagle bi-plane really set some help to accelerate getting the the benchmark for what a kit should airplane into the air and you want to look like in the late 1970s and early do a quality job. You can take either 1980s. Depending on the complete- part or all of your kit to an Builder ness of a kit, it should include all the Assistance facility where you can prefabricated parts (cut to shape, assemble with their tools and seek bent, and sometimes drilled) for the technical assistance when needed airframe. The degree of completeness from someone who is an expert. This and the quality of Van’s Aircraft kits over the time period is where Jay Pratt’s RV Central comes into play. This really from the early 1980s for the RV-4 up to the current RV-10 has speeds things up as someone can guide you in when and what increased significantly. This is where Van’s Aircraft really to do to complete a task. Records are always being set. Three excels since they have always worked to make their kits bet- months is the mark to complete an RV in Jay’s RV Central. ter. An RV-8 kit from 2005 is significantly different from But in real terms, maybe one year is typical for someone in a 1989. Still, this category will take 3 to 5 years of building facility like this. One word of caution here; if you start with a

February, 2005 Volume 36, Issue 2, Page 7 quick build kit, you are probably very close to the 51% mark, 1990: 2,560 1994: 4,085 1998: 6,763 2001: 7,407 so be careful how much assistance you obtain. YOU MUST 2004: 10,052 projected Source: Kitplanes Magazine BE INVOLVED. Otherwise you could end up with an air- plane that cannot be certified as amateur-built. On the subject of Mel’s project we have contacted EAA Judging and have a ruling. What are your thoughts? Please Now let’s look at some general observations about the above call or send your comments to Mel Asberry, Marvin Brott or categories. EAA recognizes only two categories of building, Michael Stephan. We will publish the results next month. the plans built and kit built classes. All of the above meet the FAA’s 51% rule in that you built the aircraft for educational Members Only Website and recreational purposes. I suspect that many of us just want- By Clay Romeiser ed a really neat airplane and went through the educational and recreational process to get it. These stages in progression of Where can you find instant access to the chapter membership building really illustrate how EAA’s sport aviation has grown roster, events calendar, newsletters, project database, and more? in maturity. In general, and there are always exceptions, The members-only section of the Chapter website, of course! experimental aircraft have gotten considerably more complex, the quality level has risen, the time for gestation has dropped, and cost has gone up but not to the degree that the other fac- tors have risen. We now have major companies developing products for experiment aircraft only and we are enjoying leading edge technology. All of this has enhanced the safety record of experimentals on a par with other categories of air- craft. Fifty years of sports aviation has matured to the point that our aircraft command the respect of the aviation commu- nity. And now let’s look at some numbers. The kit built sales has skyrocketed during the past 14 years. Here are the num- bers, with year and number of kits sold:

This new, database-driven web application has been under development for the last year, and it is now ready for rollout. You can access the site by clicking the ‘members only’ link from the home page of the chapter website (http://www.eaa168.org) and then use your email address and password to logon. If you don’t know your password, you can click the ‘forgot password’ link and your password will be

February, 2005 Volume 36, Issue 2, Page 8 emailed to your email address. If your email address in our for the newsletter, and it is easy to send customized email database is not current, there is also a form for you to submit reminders and newsletter announcements to selected mem- your current email address for us to enter into the database. bers. If we have your email address in our database, you You must use your email address and password because might notice that you’re starting to receive emails that access is restricted to chapter members only. include the current event calendar and other information. The first thing you’ll notice when you logon is a wel- These emails are being generated by this new web site. come page. The welcome page shows your membership expi- Finally, the entire site can easily handle other chapters ration date, a list of current announcements, and an event cal- too. Once a new chapter has been set up, users from other endar. Most events have a Map icon so you can click to dis- chapters can log on and they’ll see the data for their chapter play a map of the event location. only. On the left side of the page are links to the various pages of the website. The first option is to search the membership Why Belong to an EAA Chapter? roster. You can perform a search to find information about By Michael Stephan other chapter members. You can also update your own per- sonal information that will be displayed in the roster. If you As my project inches closer to its first flight, I couldn’t help want to hide your information from other members, you can but think about all the things that occurred during the years do that too. that it took to complete such an ambitious and time consum- Another link on the left side will take you to the ing project. I’m not thinking of all the details of construction, Newsletters page. You’ll find a listing of the past newsletters but instead the people I met along the way. with links to open each one. Each month, the latest newslet- I joined the chapter with very little knowledge of aircraft ter will be posted here. A member project report is also avail- building. I had never heard of it until 1995. I went to a few able. You can quickly see all the projects various members meetings and sat in the back, wondering if this group would are working on and their progress. Remember to update your interest me enough to plunk down the then $15 to join. I was project information so the report is current. There is also a content being on the “back bench,” but one action caused link to the list of chapter tools along with the status of each everything to change. I put on the membership card that I was one. willing to help with the newsletter. Folding, stamping and Unless you are responsible for maintaining the informa- taping are things I can do. Then one day Jerry Mrazek, the tion on the site, you won’t see the “other half” of the web site. Chapter President at the time, phoned me and asked if I This is the functionality that allows administrators to modify would help with the newsletter. “Sure,” I said “where are we the content that you see on the site. The event calendar can be folding it?” Jerry had something else in mind. “Do you know updated by the person who is in charge of events. how to use a word processor?” was his next question. My Membership expiration dates can be updated by the answer was, “I sure can, use ‘em all the time.” From then on, Treasurer, and announcements can be added by the chapter I was part of the newsletter staff. At first it was a small com- President. Web page development knowledge is not neces- mitment, but as confidence in me grew, so did my responsi- sary. All updates are made using forms, and the data is updat- bilities. It is a task to publish the newsletter every month, but ed and presented automatically. This capability means that the process of doing so includes getting to know people, the the information you see on the site will be more up-to-date projects they are working on and I learned tons from doing because it is easy to enter by the people who have the data. rudimentary research. So there is a reward. Ironically, my There is additional functionality for creating mailing labels English professor in college told me my writing was terrible,

February, 2005 Volume 36, Issue 2, Page 9 and that there was nothing he could do to help. I didn’t care, something I really appreciated. One of the really special things because I didn’t plan on doing much writing after college about a Chapter fly-in is seeing an airplane taxi in or out that anyway. Funny how things turn out. you remember seeing in someone’s shop as a project. Next came serving on the Board of Directors, then even- Examining them on the ramp and picking up a few notes to tually as Treasurer. But that is a small price to pay for the ben- use on your own project is well worth the drive. efits of belonging to Chapter 168. Another event not to be forgotten is the several Young EAA 168 has many smart people with decades of experi- Eagle events that we host each year. I have been at most of ence, and who are eager to help. That kind of resource is valu- the events, and even though they are all different, they all able. One wrong decision can be very expensive in the avia- have one thing in common, the smiles on the kids’ faces. I tion world. That is worth the price of membership right there. don’t know how many will become pilots when they are Several times in my project, if I would have picked up the older, but the seeds are planted. Someday I expect to hear a phone sooner, I also would not have had as many head visitor to a Chapter meeting stand up and say, “I got my first scratching hours in my build time. I know many of us have airplane ride at the local airport when I was a kid. Now I want chosen to build an RV, but if you are building a wood airplane, to build my own.” a tube and fabric or an all fiberglass airplane, there is someone But when you boil it down, Chapter 168 is the members. who has experience that you can draw from. Many of the peo- So many of them have become friends. Throughout life you ple I can now call friends started as a call for help sometime meet people along the way and they become friends that you during my project. It is tempting to get an airplane flying and always have. Time passes, but the shared experiences always then get separated from the group, but I am glad that many are bind. In my involvement with this EAA chapter I have added still active and answering the questions of the builders. I hope to that list of people. So many have helped with my project, to do the same. I know quite a bit on what not to do. I couldn’t name them all. Even with my recent struggles get- But experienced help is not the only benefit of member- ting qualified and insured to fly my RV-8, several members ship. The activities that center on flying are just as great. My offered advice and a strategy to get it done. All that assistance favorites are the newsletter assemblies and the monthly fly- is why being part of the Chapter 168 is worth all the time ins. The chapter meeting is a great place to meet people and invested. Someday, I hope to be the one to offer assistance. get to know them a bit. The featured speakers always impress Belonging to Chapter 168 is something that I truly enjoy. me, and I enjoy them much. That monthly meeting is usually Something I did not anticipate that first year sitting on the the only time I get to talk to most of the other members. But “back bench.” And it all started with that one phone call. But, the newsletter assembly is really a great night, and not because it took more than just a phone call. It also required, on my it ends another month of newsletter work. In the nearly ten part, a willingness to get involved, and that meant contribut- years of assemblies, we have seen numerous projects, many of ing my efforts to the group. It has been work at times, but the them now flying. After the work is finished and the food payoff is outstanding. comes out and the story telling starts, there is no better way to With the advancement of airplane kits today and with the spend your time. Except at the monthly fly-ins, where we go internet as a resource, sure you can complete an airplane by straight to the food and flying stories. Since this hobby of ours yourself, probably a real nice one. But you will miss out on includes airplanes it is only natural to want to take ‘em out and the friendship, the camaraderie, and the fun. So get involved. meet up somewhere for that $100 hamburger. Most of my It is worth it. attendance has been by driving to the fly-ins, but several times I was able to get a flight to the further meetings and that was

February, 2005 Volume 36, Issue 2, Page 10 For Sale Services, Parts and Other:

PS Engineering PM501 4-place intercom, removed from Aluminum Sheet, 20 pieces available, .025" X 48" X 144", N168TX for upgrade. Works great. New price is $200. I'll 7075 T6 alloy, 17.28 lb's per sheet, MAKE OFFER. Contact take $75. Call Mel 972-995-0372 or 972-784-7544 Don Drake, 214-352-1028 home, 214-693-7368 cell, [email protected] Corvair Engine - 110 hp. Complete but in questionable con- dition. Jim Carney 214-763-6784 Airborne Vacuum Pump Model 241CC - 0 hours since complete rebuild with new parts. This vacuum pump is a Ground Air Conditioner Unit with 110 hp Continental. heavy duty unit designed for aircraft with a vacuum driven $500 o.b.o. Jim Carney 214-763-6784 auto pilot. If you want a vacuum pump with some extra mus- cle that will fit and run from a standard vacuum pump drive Firewall Forward Package plus 1835 cc Volkswagen pad this one will do the job. Original cost of rebuilt pump- Engine Assembled from Great Plains kit. Aluminum case. $460.00, will sell for $275.00. Call Haden Cowdrey, home Approximately 45 minutes of test time on engine. TINY 214-528-4587, cell 214-478-6297. TACH tachometer; oil pressure and temperature gages; air scoops for cylinder cooling; oil cooler with piping; cowl RV wing/empennage jig for RV-8, 6, 9, 4 or whatever. halves for Fisher Youngster. All of the above for $4000. For Freestanding, made of steel, sturdy and true. Has built sever- a few dollars more I will throw in a completed Fisher al of RVs and can build hundreds more. Free to a good home. Youngster fuselage, all four wings, tail feathers and gear). George Kilishek 972-250-2906 [email protected] Contact TANDY ALLEN, 2400 Tomahawk Road, Mission Hills, Kansas (Kansas City Area). Telephone 913-362-6867. To place an ad: Submit requests for aviation related For Sale Email - [email protected] or Want ads to the newsletter Editors. Ads are free to Chapter 168 members. Ads from non-members will be run on a space Prop Extension - For O-360 using a Sensenich fixed pitch available basis. Ads will be run at the newsletter Editors dis- metal prop. For 1/2" bolts, 2 1/4" thick X 6"dia. Brand new, cretion. never used. Half price - $100. Dean Fellows 972-732-0919 EAA CHAPTER 168 OFFICERS

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