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Interview with David J. Fischer Library of Congress Interview with David J. Fischer The Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project AMBASSADOR DAVID J. FISCHER Interviewed by: Charles Stuart Kennedy and Robert S. Pasturing Initial interview date: March 6, 1998 Copyright 2000 ADST Q: Let's start with where and when you were born and something about your family. FISCHER: I was born in Connecticut in 1939 into an essentially middle class family. My father was a salesman. But I was raised really in Minnesota, moving there when I was eight years old. I grew up in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I went to a private school and from there went on to college back east at Brown University. Q: Okay, well, we're going to go back a bit. Where did you live iConnecticut? FISCHER: I lived in the suburban bedroom communities of Westport,Fairfield, and Southport. Q: Now, your father and mother had they gone to college? FISCHER: No, my father was a self-made man. He left school with a fourth grade education and eventually rose to become vice president of Weyerhaeuser Timber Company. My mother was born in the United States in a German family that immigrated here in the late 19th century. Interview with David J. Fischer http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib000373 Library of Congress Q: What was life like while you were in Connecticut? FISCHER: Oh, an idyllic kind of life. I guess all of us look back on our childhood in those first five, six, seven years as being wonderful. My father was not in the military, because at age 40 or 41 he was too old to be drafted. The war was a very, for me, seminal, although I was only six years old when the war ended, growing up in that time on the east coast, I felt the war very personally. Whether it was blackouts or a victory garden or taking the twenty-five cents to school every week to buy war bonds - all that stuff made the war very real. My job was to collect milkweed pods. Milkweed pods grow on the East Coast of the United States. We were told as children that we were collecting this “kapok” to be stuffed into life jackets for sailors on the north Atlantic. Q: Did your family have political views? The family mythology is that before the war my German-born grandmother was a fairly staunch supporter of Hitler. If true, it's not surprising, since many German immigrants found Nazism attractive. I do know that she was invited back to Germany in 1936 and returned enthusiastic about what she had seen. My father was a staunch isolationist, at least until Pearl Harbor. Growing up in the '50s, I inherited a certain liberal bent, particularly from my mother. My father was a political agnostic in the sense that he felt a “curse on” both their houses. He took pride in his vote for Norman Thomas (a socialist candidate) in one election. Q: You say you went to Minnesota when you were about eight yearold? Where did you go there? FISCHER: Minneapolis. They only memorable event was that I got polio in the great polio epidemic of 1947 or 1948. But with no, thank God, lasting consequences. I guess I absorbed a lot of my parents hostility to the Midwest. Both my parents consider Interview with David J. Fischer http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib000373 Library of Congress themselves East Coast people. My mother I can remember was appalled by the fact that she used to say how could anyone name the capital of a state “urine,” speaking of Huron, South Dakota. Those in the Midwest pronounce it “urine.” So that was that. I went to an absolute fantastic private school, a country day school. Largely because I was put into a public school in fourth grade, and there was a school strike. The then-mayor of Minneapolis, Hubert Humphrey, refused to settle that strike so the school's were closed for seven and half months. At that point I was then put into a private school. Q: What was the name of the private school? FISCHER: The Blake School. Q: Oh, yes, that's a well-known school. What were you interested iat this time, reading or interested in anything in particular in school? FISCHER: Yes, I certainly was a history buff, and I credit of people for probably setting me on the Foreign Service career path. One was a fifth grade geography teacher. He had been in the war, been in Germany during the war and had collected what are called “stocknageln” in Germany. When you walk from village to village or climb a hill or mountain in Germany, you get a little enameled plaque that you can nail onto your walking stick. So my assignment in the fifth grade class of geography was to take that walking stick and to find on a map every place where he had walked. It was a very fascinating experience. And the second most influential man was a guy by the name of Jack Eddy, who was the history teacher at Blake - senior history and head of the debate team. I became very involved in that and won a state championship for extemporaneous speaking and a few other things like that. But those two people were, I think, very influential in first igniting my interest in overseas stuff, Europe, and second, for making me read the New York Times every day. That was a demand of every senior at Blake School. You had to read the New Interview with David J. Fischer http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib000373 Library of Congress York Times on a daily basis, which was tough to do in those days in Minneapolis. We must have been reading three-day-old newspapers. Q: So you were at the Blake School from when to when about? FISCHER: 1948 until I graduated in 1956. Q: Did the world intrude much on the rest of Minnesota during thiperiod? FISCHER: Probably not. I can remember, however my classmates. It was a very small country day school, I mean there were thirty guys in my class, and I think probably at least half of them were what I would call socially aware. Aware of politics. I can remember vividly walking home from school one day in 1954 with a classmate of mine whose father had just called to say that the Supreme Court had just ruled in Brown v. the Board of Education. His father had been someone who had worked with the NAACP. I mean that was an important event to us. So we were certainly much more aware than the average kid growing up in a rural town in Minnesota. Blake was a school for the upper classes in Minneapolis, children of people who ran the local mills: Pillsbury and General Mills. But it drew from a class of transplanted New Yorkers and Bostonians, as well. Q: What about the McCarthy impact. I mean McCarthy was from Wisconsin and I was just wondering if this was a man and policy admired in Minnesota? FISCHER: I don't know why - I may have been ill - but I remember as a child watching the McCarthy-Army hearings on television on a daily basis. I don't if it took place in the summer or sometime over... I think I may have been at a time when I was out of school for six weeks following an accident. But it absolutely dominated the family conversation and certainly very widely talked about in my school, of course. I also remember the famous broadcast by Edward R. Murrow that signaled the beginning of the end of McCarthy. My family was very anti-McCarthy; an attitude certainly passed down to me. Interview with David J. Fischer http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib000373 Library of Congress Q: Where were the kids from the school and your family coming dowon the McCarthy issue? FISCHER: Oh, very anti. One couldn't be a McCarthy supporter ithat milieu and survive very long. Q: I mean did you feel that being in Minnesota, this is the heighof the real sort of liberal labor type state wasn't it? FISCHER: Yes, Democratic Farmer Labor, DFL. Hubert Humphrey, Orville Freeman, and later, Eugene McCarthy and Walter Mondale. I worked in politics in the summer of 1954 and 1956 on a couple of political campaigns, so I was really involved in that kind of stuff. I worked initially as a volunteer but got hired in 1958 by the Republican Party in a gubernatorial campaign. I guess money was more important to me than ideology! Q: I might add on our program that when I return from here I'm going to be interviewing Frances Howard who's Hubert Humphrey's sister. I've also interviewed Constance Freeman who is Orville Freeman's daughter so they continue to enter into the system. FISCHER: I was responsible, partly, I wouldn't say in large measure, for the defeat of Orville Freeman in the gubernatorial race in Minnesota in 1958. I was working as a volunteer in the Republican Party for a guy named Elmer Anderson. I was running their volunteer headquarters in St. Paul. I was then in college and it was a summer job. At some point on a Saturday afternoon, the office was locked and closed, and I heard this rapping on the door outside. I went out. This guy said he want to talk to somebody. This was my first experience with what we later learned from the Foreign Service is called a walk-in, a guy who wants to walk in and give you information.
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