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Journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 114(37)

ISSN 0027-8424

Author Gabrielsen, Paul

Publication Date 2017-09-01

DOI 10.1073/pnas.1713694114

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QnAs with David B. Wake QNAS

Paul Gabrielsen, Science Writer

The mass extinction at the end of the Cretaceous just using a huge array of un- period opened up a wide range of ecological niches, identified nuclear DNA. We and were among the surviving groups to have 95 nuclear genes. Most take advantage of the opportunity. Three lineages earlier groups [had] used three of frogs in particular—Hyloidea, , and or four nuclear genes, or maybe Natatanura—were so successful in the time period up to five or six, but by using following the extinction of the dinosaurs that they 95 we’ve vastly increased our now represent the ancestors of 88% of living spe- analytical power. We analyzed cies. For nearly 60 years, David B. Wake, a zoologist at extant frog species. We use the University of California, Berkeley, and a member some sophisticated computer of the National Academy of Sciences, along with his programs that are calibrated wife, Marvalee Wake, has studied the evolution of by fossils in what’scalledare- reptiles and . In a recently published study laxed molecular clock method. in PNAS (1), Wake and his colleagues used DNA from That’swhatweusedtoestimate the nuclei of frog cells, rather than the maternally her- the timing. itable mitochondrial DNA, to reconstruct the time- line of frog evolution. Wake spoke with PNAS about PNAS: What picture can you the study. describe of frog populations both before and after the end- PNAS: Why is it important to understand the evolution Cretaceous extinction? David B. Wake. Image courtesy of of frogs? David B. Wake. Wake: There were a lot of Wake: Frogs are a very old group of vertebrates. frogs around before the extinction event. And many They’ve been around for 200 million years. They’re a of those lineages made it through. But what’sthebig central player in most ecosystems around the world. surprise is that three of these groups are what we call So we’re intrinsically interested in frogs as we are with “deeply nested.” That is, they’ve gone through many other vertebrates, but with a special focus on a very rounds of splitting. They’ve had many opportunities highly specialized group of organisms that’s been very to develop adaptations and specializations of all successful through time. sorts and it is these deeply nested lineages that ex- perienced this great radiative burst of evolution right PNAS: Why did researchers previously think that frog at the Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary. diversification occurred in the Mesozoic? The loss of the dinosaurs is the hallmark event of that extinction event. It wasn’t the dinosaurs them- Wake: We do have a number of fossil frogs from the selves but everything else that disappeared that cre- Mesozoic, and we do know that a number of living ated the new ecological opportunities. Those frogs lineages go back that far. But we didn’t realize that that made it through suddenly faced an array of pos- what we were looking at were a group of ancient sur- sibilities. There are “good evolvers” and “bad evolv- vivors, and we missed the forest for the trees, so to ers” and there’s a spectrum in between. If you look at, speak. These three groups that we’ve now identified for example, the group known as leiopelmatids, they contain 88% of all living frogs. go back to the early Jurassic. There are four species from the genus that occur in New Zealand, PNAS: What novel genetic techniques did you use to and there are two species in the genus Ascaphus that study frog evolution? occur in the Pacific Northwest. They’re just fragments. They were not good evolvers, whereas these three Wake: We’ve known for a long time that mitochondrial other groups had a lot of evolutionary potential. I can’t DNA sequences are not the best source of information for tell you exactly why. I really wish we knew why that was. old groups, yet we’ve used it because it was so much The flowering plants, the angiosperms, which easier than going after nuclear genes. But now it’sbe- include the leaf-bearing flowering trees, really took come increasingly possible to use nuclear genes. We want off after the extinction event too. The broad-leafed to know which specific genes we’re using, rather than trees drop their leaves during the year and provide

www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1713694114 PNAS | September 12, 2017 | vol. 114 | no. 37 | 9755–9756 leaf litter, which provides hiding places, a rich array particularly a member of the family , which of soils, and detritivores and insects as food for is endemic to Madagascar and Mayotte in the the amphibians. Today, arboreality in frogs is a key Comoro islands. element of their current success. PNAS: How did your team gather the necessary frog PNAS: What longstanding questions in frog evolution tissue samples? does this study resolve? Wake: They come from us going out [into] the field Wake: For a long time we thought that frogs had come to collect them and putting them in museum out of India because there were so many different collections. The Museum of Vertebrate Zoology, groups of frogs in India. But now we realize the really which I directed for 27 years here at Berkeley, has stable continent has been Africa. a very large frozen tissue collection now, which Among the elements of success in the frogs that feeds the whole community of biodiversity scien- did survive are arboreality and direct development, or tists. That’s how we built this up, by tapping into the abandonment of the aquatic larval stage. Not any programs like the frozen tissue collections at the one of these is the critical issue. For example, all University of Texas, Berkeley, Harvard, the University leiopelmatids have direct development. Having direct of Kansas, and the California Academy of Sciences in development is not a key to success. But having direct San Francisco. development is a feature that gives them access to We’re quite a diverse group. We started with the many kinds of habitats they would not be able to ’ occupy otherwise. Some occur largely underground in National Science Foundation s Tree of Life program in ’ the driest and most inhospitable deserts in Australia. 2005. We ve managed to stay together through this And they make it because they don’t need standing long period, and it was important to do this as a team water for reproduction. We think of amphibians as because we had to assemble the very diverse group of needing water during some phase of their life history, frogs that is required. but many different lineages have become direct de- velopers. That’s part of the success of the radiation. PNAS: How does this work change the way we think of frogs? PNAS: Which of the three major lineages does your namesake Wakea madinika belong to? Wake: I think of them as evolving right alongside the placental mammals and the great radiation of birds. Wake: Wakea is named for David and Marvalee Wake. We used to think of them as very ancient. I think of It’s a Madagascaran frog in the Natatanura lineage, them now as very modern.

1 Feng Y-J, et al. (2017) Phylogenomics reveals rapid, simultaneous diversification of three major clades of Gondwanan frogs at the Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 114:E5864–E5870.

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