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Oh04075aud Bailey, George George Bailey Oral History Interview Q: I thought that was a great story to add to the section on P-40s, because I want to have a section -- GB: That saved a lot of towers. Q: Yes. GB: Got them to rotating before they hit the ground and it saved a lot of towers. Even then, we ran out of towers. Q: Even with the cups on there, huh? GB: Oh, yes. We still -- Q: How did you make these cups? GB: Out of aluminum. Q: Oh, aluminum. GB: You know, you had a flat wheel-cover type thing on the outside of each wheel. Q: And so they were actually attached to the wheel cover? GB: That’s right. Attached to the wheel cover, and just made a little cup out of it, and -- actually, it was just a little bent piece of aluminum that caught the air. Q: Just like a little scoop. GB: Like a little scoop. Q: Or a vane, or something like that. GB: Yes. And it just got the wheel to rotate. 1 Q: Well, whose idea was that? GB: (Inaudible) I’m not real sure. It was either mine or a fellow by the name of Van Timmerman. I’m not sure which now. He and I put the first ones on. I know that. Q: Well, maybe we’ll just say that you guys coauthored that one. Maybe that’s the way to do it. GB: Yes. It worked real good. Q: Did all the squadrons use it or just yours? GB: No, I think all the squadrons had some of the, yes. The crew chiefs caught on good because we were all comingled, particularly at Rangoon and at [Wei Lin?], we had all three squadrons together at one time or another, you know? At least portions of each squadron. Q: I wonder if anybody’s got a picture of a P-40 that might show those on there. GB: I don’t know. I really don’t know. Q: I came across a lady the other day -- and I have not met her yet -- but, she’s got two boxes of pictures that have never before been seen, of the Flying Tigers. GB: Oh, is that right? Q: Yes. It’s Matt Kuykendall’s sister -- twin sister. GB: I didn’t know he had a twin sister. Q: Isn’t that something? 2 GB: Uh-huh. Kuykendall was killed flying the daggone P-31. Q: It was what? GB: Flying a daggone new aircraft -- we had three aircraft; a P-31, a C, I think, put out by Curtiss. Q: Oh, CW-21? GB: Yes, 21. CW-21. And we had three of them. Erik Shilling, he and -- what else? Q: Let me stop and think. It was Erik Shilling, because there were three of them. Lacy Mangleburg, who -- he survived because he later got killed when Pete Wright chopped up his car. GB: That’s right. Q: And the third one then was Matt Kuykendall, huh? GB: Was who? Q: The third one, you say, was Matt Kuykendall? GB: Yes, I think so. Pretty sure. Q: That could be. I don’t know off the top of my head. I can’t tell you -- GB: (Inaudible) ten seconds, I’ll find out. Q: OK. It is July 17, 1997, call to George Bailey. GB: OK. Erik Shilling’s biography here. Mangleburg, Merritt, and Shilling were the three guys flying those CW-21s. Q: Ken Merritt, you say? GB: Ken Merritt, Mangleburg, and Shilling. 3 Q: Oh, I see. So it wasn’t Kuykendall that was on there. GB: No, it wasn’t Kuykendall. Q: Well, you solved that for me. I’ve probably got it on that little roster thing that I have, too. But, did they stop using them once you guys got a new supply of tires? GB: Yes, they did. When the 23rd Fighter Group came in there, I don’t remember seeing any more of them. I don’t remember. When I went back over there on my second tour, I don’t remember seeing anybody using them. They were tried on some of the Century series fighters also, and you know, they even tried some electric motors on some of the Century series that were landing up above 100 miles an hour, you know. And they tried all kinds of things to get those tires to move. Q: You know, my little airplane that I fly has got an approach speed of 90 miles an hour -- well, actually it’s about 100 miles an hour, and it flares at 90 and touches down about 80. And of course, they’re just little old bitty 5 x 5 tires. And, boy, I mean, when they hit that ground even as light as I can, it just -- I’ll bet 25, 30 landings on hard surface and I’ve got to have new tires. GB: Yes. How many of those landings do you get on one attempt? 4 Q: (Laughs). I’m not answering that one. You’re right, sometimes I have landed them two or three times on the same approach. GB: Right. Q: That’s exactly right, and sometimes I’ll bounce and I’ll come up in the air and I’ve got to gun the throttle just to smooth the thing out, and I’ll come down a second time. You’re right. GB: You know, any pilot that’s got more than a half a dozen landings has had that experience of bouncing a time or two. Q: Well, yes. GB: No matter what he’s flying. I used to watch -- we had two sergeants flying the L-5 in China when I went back over there. They weren’t there with the Tigers; they were there with the 27th Fighter Group. And I used to watch them little L-5s, they’d come over the fence at 30 miles an hour, you know? Q: Yes, right. GB: And they’d bounce every now and then. So, you know, anything can bounce. If you do everything just right, it’s going to bounce a little bit. Q: Well, you know, the worst thing that you can ever bounce -- and I’ve done it, I have done it -- is a PT-19; one of these steer mounts. 5 GB: Oh, yes. Built-in ground loop, you bounce it much and you’re gone, huh? Q: That’s exactly right, and I have never ground-looped one of the things, but boy, they scare the hell out of me. GB: You can do it real easy though with that PT-19. And the AT-6. Have you flown the AT-6? Q: No, I’ve never flown that. GB: The AT-6, if you bounce it, you better be ready to correct in a hurry because that thing will wheel on you. Q: Oh, man. Well, the good thing about that Stearman was, even though it was so much slower than my airplane, like my airplane, you have to really stay ahead of it. If you have to think with your feet on those rudders, it’s too late. GB: That’s right. Same thing with the AT-6. Q: I’ll be damned. GB: It was a killer, really, but you know, it turned out an awful lot of good pilots. It put an awful lot of good ones in the grave, too. They killed a lot of pilots flying AT- 6s during the war, in training. Q: You know, P.J. was telling me about one of those, too. It was a BT -- what was that thing? A BT-13 or 15. I don’t remember what it was. I’d have to go back and look. I don’t know the airplane very well. 6 GB: A BUT-13 was a very similar aircraft to the AT-6, but it had non-retractable -- it had fixed landing gear on it, BUT-13 did. Q: Is that what it was? Well, maybe -- I’m not so sure -- I don’t remember what it was now, but he told me they only made a few of them, and boy, it was a wicked airplane. And I think the BUT-13 evolved from the BUT-10 or whatever it was, but that’s getting back a little ways. GB: Yes, that’s too far for me. Q: Yes, that’s getting back there a ways. I know a bunch of them wound up at Kelly Field and killed a bunch of pilots, and I guess they wound up, I don’t know, selling them to the Panamanians or something. I don’t know what the hell they did with them, but got rid of them. Anyway, well this is all really interesting. I’m going to write this up and I will send this to you, and -- so you can see what I’ve written here, and then you -- GB: OK, mighty fine. Q: Huh? GB: Mighty fine. That’s good. Q: And I’ll -- you can put in there whatever corrections or additions or whatever, and when we kind of get it all done, then I think it ought to go into the AVG site in the section where I want each of the ground guys to talk about 7 some interesting stories like this, and add to this thing, just how it was that you guys kept these darn airplanes flying, because it was a miracle. GB: I don’t know if anyone has told you or not, but we lost another member last week.
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