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1(:'(/+, 3ULFH 5H CONTENTS No. 34—Thursday, July 8, M ljAsadha 17,1893 (Sake)
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Oral Answers to Questions: ♦Starred Questions Nos. 991 to 994, 996, 997, 999 and 1002 to 1004. 1—29
Written Answers to Questions : Star ed Questions Nos. 995, 998, 1000, 1001 and 1005 to 1020. 29-44
Unstarred Questions Nos. 4226 to 4228, 4230 to 4259, 4261 to 4276 and 4278 to 4351. 44-145 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Reported malpractices and irregularities by Shipping Companies in import of newsprint 145-53 Re. Law and Order Situation in West Bengal ... 153 Re. Supply of Defective Bread in Delhi. ... 153—55 Papers laid on the Table ... 155
Demands for Grants, 1971-72— Ministry of Information and Broadcasting ... 156-76
Shrimati Nandini Satpathy ... 157—72
Ministry of Defence ... 176-276 Shri Samar Mukherjee ... 178—84 Shri Nimbalkar ... 184-88 Shri Indrajit Gupta ... 193—205 Shri B. V. Naik ... 205-08 Shri G. Viswanathan ... 208— 16 Shri Inder J. Malhotra ... 216-19 Shri Brij Raj Singh-Kotah ...... 219-26 Shri Raja Ram Shastri ... 226-32 Shri D. D. Desai ...... 232-36 Shri Priya Raojan Das Munsi 236-40 Shri S. A. Shamim in in 240-43
♦The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. ( « )
C olumns Shri Chandulal Chandrakar ...... 244—48 Shri Birendar Singh Rao ...... 248—53 Prof. Narain Chand Parashar ...... 253—59 Prof S. L. Saksena ...... 259-62 Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy ...... 262—66 Shri Shankarrao Savant ...... 266—69 Shri S. M. Banerjee ...... 269—72 Shri Pratap Singh Negi ...... 272 - 74 Shri N. Sreekantan Nair ...... 274—76 LOK SABHA DEBATES 1 2
LOK SABHA We have depots at several places. Therefore, we have to collect the Thursday, July 8, 197J/ information from several depots and sub* 77, 7595 (Sato) depots. However, I have some information and if the hon. membei is interested, I would like to share it with the House. T/r* Lo& Sabha met a Eleven of the Clock. For West Bengal, the total requirement of rice, as reported by the West Bengal [ Mr. Speaker in the Chair] Government, for the current crop year commencing 1st Nov. 1970 is as follows : ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 5,25,000 metric tonnes for normal requirement, 3,00,000 metric tonnes for refugees—total Food Supplies for Bangla Desh Refugees requirement 8,25,000 metric tonnes. Against by Centre this, an allocation of 8,07,000 metric tonnes has so far been made. But as I said, this + is not up-to-date information. *991. SHRr S. C. SAMANTA : SHRI TRIDIB CUAUDHUR1 : According to the information received fiom the Government of West Bengal, upto Will the Minister of LABOUR AND the 26 June 1971, a quantity of 47,233 metric REHABILITATION he pleased to state : tonnes was issued from the FCI depots for some of the refugees. Wheat is issued, as (a) what quantities of rice and wheat usual, to millers and fair price shops. These are not up to date. have been supplied from the Central Store for relief work among the cvacuecs from Bangla Desh ; and Regarding Assam, Meghalaya and Tripura, the total requirement of rice from the central (b) whether the demand made by the pool for 1971, as estimated by the Govern* Government of West Bengal in this behalf ment of Assam, was a little more than 75,000 has been entirely met ? metric tonnes. So far an allotment of 27,000 metric tonnes of rice has been made to the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Government of Assam, in addition to 1,000 tonnes of basumati rice. About Meghalaya MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHABILI TATION (SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA) : also I have some information ...... (a) and (b). Necessary information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the MR. SPEAKER : It may be laid on Sabha. the Table.
SHRI S C. SAMANTA : If this is the SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As I said, state of affairs, 1 wonder how the Government we will collect it from the various depots and is running. jFood is to be supplied to the then lay it on the Table. refugees. Some quantity has been sent. May we at least know the approximate quantity SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD : To that has been supplied ? the original question asking for information, the reply is that it is not readily available. THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND But in -reply to a supplementary, so much REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- information has been given. How do we KAR)May I inform the hon. member reconcile the original reply with this ? You that this information is available with the may kindly order Government to give us the Food Corporation, that is the Food Ministry ? full information. 3 Oral Answers JULY 8, 1971 Oral Answers 4
MR. SPEAKER : 1 was also about to Statement say that. The procurement price of all varieties of SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As I said, wheat excepting the indigenous red variety is the entire information is available with the Rs. 76 per quintal throughout the country. Food Ministry We will collect it. But I The issue price fixed by Government for all am not in a position to give the correct infor imported and indigenous varieties of wheat mation up to date just now. I will lay it on including amber coloured varieties of indi genous wheat is Rs. 78 per quintal. The the Table. retail price of wheat sold through fair price shops in Delhi is Rs. 81 per quintal. There MR. SPEAKER : If that is the position, is no statutory control on open market prices this sort of piecemeal supply of information of wheat. The open market prices are held should have been avoided. in check by adequate distribution of wheat through the fair price shops. Open market SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : I would like prices of wheat during the current marketing to know whether the Central Government had season (April—June 1971) ranged between consultations with the various State Govern Rs. 80.00 and Rs. 90.00 per quintal for dara ments about the surplus of food that may be variety, and Rs. 90.00 and Rs. 100 per available with them for West Bengal, and quintal for farm variety. The prices for whether Government is going to import food these two varieties of wheat in the corres also for the refugees ? ponding period of the previous season ranged between Rs. 85.00 and Rs. 107.00, and SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : The Rs. 100.(0 and Rs. 120 00 per quintal res question of import at the present juncture does pectively. not arise because we are drawing from our food stocks. The State Governments are in day to day contact with us about the require ments of refugees and others. Orders are t f r : there and financial arrangements have been made with the Food Corporation, and what “There is no statutory control of open ever is required is issued by the Food Corporation market prices of wheat.”
Price of Wheat in Delhi * stott ^ arm r *r$ v*r d m sprra % ^ $ i sr$t inspectors. They have a watch over these f«re& t w>r 15,000 z* snrw price fluctuations and we receive reports. % *|T 3W SHRI INDER J. MALHOTRA : May I SHRI INDER J. MALHOTRA : There know whether the Government have made is no special farm wheat; he does not know any kind of arrangement to watch from time what kind of wheat is there. to time the prices which fluctuate in the open market, and if so, what are the arrange SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD: For ments? the same variety, there are two different prices. SHRI SHER SINGH : We get informa tion from the Delhi Administration every now SHRI SHER SINGH : How could there and then about the prices in the market. be ? (Interruption ) SHRI INDER J. MALHOTRA : That MR. SPEAKER: He has given the is no arrangement. price of various varieties. The names of common varieties are not common. SHRI SHER SINGH: And whenever we feel that there is an abnormal rise in prices, SHRI SHER SINGH: We supply amber we supply more foodgrains to the fair price coloured ‘kalyan* generally here in Delhi to the shops, and people who are prepared can buy fair price shops. The price of that variety from them at Rs. 81/-. is Rs. 81 per quintal. That can be had in as much quantity as people need. We are SHRI INDER J. MALHOTRA : My prepared to supply any amount. The diffi question is entirely different. Here is the culty is that people are not lifting it. We Ministry of Food and Agriculture which is supplied 15,000 tonnes per month last year. responsible to control and see that the prices This year, they are taking only 3,000 tonnes. of foodgrains do not fluctuate unduly in the There is no scarcity. Those who want to take country. 1 would like to know what perma cheaper grain can have it at Rs. 81. There nent arrangements, if any, the Government is no difficulty about that. have made to watch the fluctuations in foodgrains prices from time to time in the V fW W W : 3ft SRW open market. srsft | aft **rmr f m z i | s a v t isT$f % afk * qrr qrreor SHRI SHER SINGH : We have a marketing department; we have the marketing *TS 4 w t srflf fftar % t v r $*Fprf 7 Oral Answers JULY 8,1971 Oral Am vers 8 snzT *ft § fam |3rr i fm Trrfa* (c) whether Government are considering to give aid to establish refugees colonies with srrra Sr t o * | afa arrcT better road communications, sanitation, water ott ^ irsrer 11 s r ^ r arrsr w works or drinking water facilities; and *ft a m ^TT t... (d) whether Government propose to offer any special incentive for rehabilitation of arww *r^w : ra *raT5s s^te srisfasr old and new displaced persons and if so, % 5TTt *f I I 3TT% «NTfe £ 1 *f% fcST I fa: iTTfaz % n | 120, 125 The problem of rehabilitation of old afa 130 ftr^^TT I I *Mt *f$vt migrants who migranted from East Pakistan % gft ^rtfisir f^rr f, wer 11 $ stttot upto 31.3.1958 had, by and large been completed by 1960-61 except some residuary STTfcTT | far % f^TT 6TTT sfTT problem, for which a sum of Rs. 21.88 3fT T | | ? crores was assessed in 1961-62 in consultation with the West Bengal Government. : s ttt ?tt«t ^ T f r vmm 2. As saturation point had already been stptt i reached in West Bengal, a policy decision was taken in 1964 in consultation with the SHRI NATVARLAL PATEL : Is it West Bengal Government that new migrants true that the present price in the open market, (i e. those who came from East Pakistan as far as wheat is concerned, is very, very from 1.1.1964 onwards) who sought admis low, in comparison with last year's price ? sion in relief camps and were sponsored by the West Bengal Government, would be given ichabilitation assistance outside West SHRI SHER SINGH : As, compared to Bengal. last year, the prices are low. 3. The Government of India appointed Rehabilitation of Displaced Persons settled a Committee of Review for Rehabilitation in West Bengal after Partition Work in West Bengal in January 1967 (a) to evaluate the work of residuary problem *993 SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : and to recommend financial assistance for— Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA BILITATION be pleased to state : (i) development of colonies ; (a) whether Government are aware that (ii) acquisition of land for resettlement of a large number of displaced persons settled Permanent Liability Home families *, in the border districts of West Bengal after the partition of India, have not received any (iii) rehabilitation loans to those covered substantial help, or no help in most cases, in the assessment of the Residuary from Government and are living in most Problem; and precarious conditions of life ; (iv) technical training and industrial schemes ; and (b) if so, whether Government propose to start industries under Rehabilitation In* (b) to assess the nature and size dustries Corporation to help the displaced of the problem created by persons ; the new migrants and to 9 Oral Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10 reco mmend to the extent necessary, apply for rehabilitation assistance or were financial assistance for their technical in camps and awaiting rehabilitation, as training, employment, educational indicated below and medical facilities. (i) Displaced persons who did not apply 4, The Committee has so far submitted for rehabilitation assistance number 7 Reports. The Government of India have 6.44 lakhs ; accepted, by and large, recommendations in respect of 4 Reports and have sanctioned (ii) displaced persons in camps and a sum of Rs. 545.20 lakhs for the imple homes 1.28 lakhs ; and mentation of the various schemes. The re maining 3 Reports are under consideration. (iii) displaced persons to be covered by residuary assistance is 0.85 lakhs. 5. The Rehabilitation Industries Cor This is the break up. Government have poration which was set up in 1959 provides expended about Rs. 166 crores for the rehabi a certain measure of employment opportu litation of the migrants in West Bengal. nities for displaced persons in West Bengal through— SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I would like to contradict the statement given (i) industrial units of its own ; by the hon. Minister bccause 1 have got a paper supplied by the Government of West (it) private Sector Industrial units set vp Bengal. I know that the same paper has with the loan assistance from the been supplied to the Ministry of Rehabili Corporation ; and tation also I would like to know whether it is a fact that of the 21 lakhs of displaced (iii) private Scctor Industrial Units ac persons those who did not receive any commodated in Industrial Estates rehabilitation benefit, all those persons are established by the Corporation. The living in rehabilitation camps or colonies current figure of employment of which grew up or were formed by their displaced persons is 5700. own effort ? May I know whether it is also a fact that there are about 1,100 such colonies SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : In that have been set up privately and the view of the statement, I would like to know Government of India has been approached from the hon. Minister, out of the total by the West Bengal Government to regularise number of displaced persons from East them because under the existing rules Pakistan who stayed in West Bengal, up to camps made after December 1950 are not 31st March, 1958, how many of them were so easily regularisable ? Will the Government camp dwellers, how many of them are under regularise these camps ? the category “permanent liability”, and how many of those persons have been pro SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : I think perly rehabilitated ? I would like to know the information furnished by the hon. Member the figures. is not correct. So far as we know, most of them have been rehabilitated and in the case SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA i These of those who remain the work is on hand. evacuees from East Pakistan came not only As he already knows, a committee was at the time of partition but on many other appointed and it has submitted as many as occasions also. They have been divided seven reports, four of which have been accepted. into two categories. One is, those who A sum of Rs. 545.20 iakhs has been sanctioned. have come from 1947 up to 31st March, 1958 ; It is the responsibility of the Government of such people are numbering 41,17,000. Those West Bengal to implement the schemes. If he who have stayed on in West Bengal number so desires, I can give the names of the main over 31 iakhs. This is the number of schemes which have been sanctioned. Work people that has come to West Bengal. Out is in progress in the case of all schemes and of these, 21.75 iakhs displaced persons have we are doing our very best. been rehabilitated in some form or the other. They were provided assistance. The re- SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : What remaining 8.57 lakhs persons either did not about the regularisation of the colonies ? 11 Oral Answers JULY 8, 1971 Oral Answers 12 SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : What beep solved. They said it has not been solved. ever amount the Government of West Bengal The bulk of the rehabilitation problem remains have demanded, wc have placed at their unsolved. That is why they wanted entire disposal so that they can do the needful. review of the whole policy of the Central Government. DR. RANEN SEN : In the statement it is mentioned that a Rehabilitation SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : The united Industries Corporation was set up to provide front governments have challenged many a certain measuie of employment. Is the things of the Central Government but so far Minister aware that most of the units of this as refugee problem is concerned whatever Rehabilitation Industries Corporation a e refugee matters are there they have been left being closed, or have already been closed to the Review Committee. So far as old down, as in Asoka Nagar, Howrah and refugees are concerned it is a residuary Rupnarainpur ? If so, has any attempt been problem. made to revive those units of the Rehabili SHRI JAGANATH RAO : In the tation Industries Corporation so that instead statement it is said 5070 persons have been of creating unemployment, more people can employed in West Bengal. May I know the be employed ? total number of refugees in West Bengal and who are not employed in industrial units and SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : As the are they still without any shelter ? hon. Member has stated, no doubt there is some trouble regarding some industries. It is SHRI R. K KHADILKAR : The due to the fact that the times produced by the Rehabilitation Corporation has given Corporation are costly in comparison with the employment in their units to the tunc of 5700 times available in the market, and, therefore, persons. New Migrants who sought assistance there is a glut and the things arc being sold between 1964 and 1970 have been now dispersed and as a result the Corporation is not in a •—some in Maharashtra, some in Andhra, etc. position to pay the amount. That is why the I must confess it takes little longer for them to trouble is there but the Government is finding acclimatise in that area. That is an experience ways and means as to how to dispose of these of our Department. So they are slowly getting things and see that the units work efficiently. acclimatised in these places and either in agriculture or ancillary industires or small SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : trade they are engaging themselves. May I know from the Minister whether there is any specific programme to consider the SHRI SAMAR GUHA •: Whether it is a whole rehabilitation programme and whether fact that most of the Members, almost 95%. the amenities and facilities per family provided belong neither to the last Lok Sabha nor to for refugees in Delhi and Punjab are actually the present Lok Sabha. Whether the Govern equal to West Bengal refugees ? ment consider that they will go into the matter of re-organising the Review THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Committee ? Is the Government going to see REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA- that the review committee is re-organised ? DILKAR) ; As the hon’ble Member Secondly, I would like to know whether it is knows this refugee problem has been referred not a fact that in most of these squatters* to the Review Committee. Every report of colonies in and around Calcutta which are the Review Committee is taken into con the breeding ground of extremism and violence sideration and just now as my colleague said in Calcutta, in most of the cases, the urpan out of seven reports four reports have been patra, the authority letter, has not been implemented and three are under consideration. given to them and that the development All these matters are left to the Review Com programme in these squatters* colonies is mittee. completely left uncared for. Is it a fact or not ? SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : Whether the Minister is aware or not that two united SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : The first front governments of West Bengal challenged is a suggestion that the review committee the formulation of the Central Government should be reorganised. That will be given some that the bulk of the rehabilitation problem has thought because some of the Members who 13 Oral Answers ASADHA 17,1893 (SAKA) Oral Answers 14 Ate no more Members of this House or the armr ^rf?rr J % ftfR *rwrc % %*afcr other House ...... stt«p t t *r $fa % fa m % fetr vsft SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Most of the TOfET $ 3*1% ¥T *TT Members, 95 per cent of them are no more SlftTT foTT f3RT% 3TOR TK %?Efa T O R members of this House or the other House. 5* 1 T f t f ^ «Ft m?r W^t t I SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : That is a « ft*R : ift TOT eft ^ rf ^TOfilPT suggestion. Regarding the other thing, this is too general a statement. I do not think this is ^ I l f r f R aftT % Iff T O T the state of affairs. ^ srrf 11 % folj fa^TT W ta «ft TimwaTT 5TTT50': fa^TT TO H T W!T *I5JWcTT ^l?rr % f¥ ®Tff t t affcr srfa^ srf^r f f 11 *iM ?r siflrr ^r*n i m 991. 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W M t aflr vrf % vrr°r TSft *ft tft srfa vtf f^nr ^ 1 fsr®% ?rr^ fj»sTT % ?f«t ^ q v crt f w «rr, $ *PTT«r fa^TT TOTR % T*ft art* arfsRT fa^rr «Pt ffw rn f! srrfcr aftr mwfar $forf % ftrvf *t *ir*r % 3TT^ if %qT SJT I «T5T flf RTW snrnr *ft* % feq tpr vrt? *FT W% *FTS5fa W *rnTT 1 1 *TS *T$T *PT «: it ?F «ft i fan »r*rr 11 w w «njhw : * 3ft w?* fTO t, frrfaszT smw x w m t* 5TT«ft : **ft ^ it 1 snrrf S 1 a r ^ ars 3tt% *m w aftr ^srt vt fsr^rr $ arcrnrfw % q»rT«r ^t*t, cft^f t ?ft fcrr srfcr % *r«rrw «ft Tmwarc wrwft: *r? toT, t o t r ^ arm rt ?t? fasrr § fa 3ft *r? s z it ^0T | fa ^ 3TT^ *f fa?R ?TT^TT % *rf «ft ar?t % fatT g ^ f t fr-fre ¥CT »zrVTT few I , T O tfa ST % \ WfT ^ ^ Durgapur steel plant has not improved. I would like to know whether it is a fact that after fetT % I the recent agreement with various trade unions in Durgapur Steel Plant, there were m i : artwr *r$te*r, ap* certain demands made by the employers 5®r fo srfa ^ «tst5 ^tfcrr >rt representative about the joint consultative machinery for lasting industrial peace and eft afflFJ 3TTT % *ft «P^T fa ^ ST%% since the existing machminery has been feq wfar fTftr % farew % f ^ 11 found to be ineffective, I would like to know whether they would evolve some joint consul snft apiT fr erffr | f t w n vft tative machinery on this. fsns fon itw | i SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : The «rt g^ww anftgffdro : *reft *r§tar management is very keen to associate the workers and we have been trying to form *T$ ^?TT% ^ fTTT *R % 3T JT 5*rf»T»T various committees, but the difficulty is % 5ft f R n? f 3rr 3*r% fa q *ft f s *m r that the biggest union which is the recognised V3T union has not responded to our efforts so | I far. But the efforts are still continuing. «ft 3TT : STKZrST Xf^T, ^ SHRI S. M. BANERJEE . I am happy, jftSTCT* aft fTRJ ^ =ft^PTT SRcft | the management has decided to associate ^TR1 55TW VFZ 3Tk SWT^fr *ftff f^TT 3THT workers in the various committees including 2 men on the Board of Directors. But, t I 3R ^ ^ HTTTT spt ^ T # what will be the method ? How do you srm f^r ^nr # sclect or elect those candidates ? I want to ^ r ft t I know whether in the absence of unanimity among trade unions they will resort to secret ballot so that true respresentative comes Industrial Relations in Durgapur Steel Plant as representative of the workers. *996 SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will the Minister or STEEL AND MINES be SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : I think pleased to state : at this stage it is too early to give any definite procedure for selection of workers representative. As he knows there is a joint (a) whether Industrial relations in Negotiating Committee which negotiated Durgapur Steel Plant have improved ; for wages of workers and they have done extremely good work. We have requested (b) if so, whether some sort of Joint that committee to continue its good work and Consultation Machinery have been formed ; suggest the best method of selecting represen and tative. (c) if so, the main features thereof ? «ft tm sfts? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE g’RTt C55FST $ f^T 5-f 500 MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) No. Sir. % fcr vr ftarr $ sftr anrT | i trffcj % (b) and (c). Except the Works Committee constituted According to the provisions of the armr ^ t t g fa? 37 Industrial Disputes Act, no other Joint 3ft am arrsr w tm it % srcrxft Consultative Committee is functioning due to non-participation by the recognised Union. arw *r f m f a *pt sftwr aftr aft SHRI S M. BANBRJEB : It is very disheartening to note that industrial relation in 4 i t | 19 Oral Answers JULY 8, 1971 Oral Answers 20 MR. SPEAKER : This question is about SHRI DINEN BHATTCHARYYA : We improvement of industrial relations. Your do not agree to this that during the Question question does not arise. Hour, only one Member from one party will ask a supplementary question. That has SHRI DAMODAR PANOEY : He said never been the practice here. That should that the majority union is not responding not be the practice here. to the appeal of management to improve relations. It is for political reasons that they MR. SPEAKER : This is the practice have not responded ? that we have been following. Unless there is none to ask supplementary questions from SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: I can’t the other side, we do not permit more than say anything about it one Member from a party to ask supple mentary questions If there is none to ask SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : Is questions from the other side, then we may it a fact that the recognised union a long allow the next immediate supplementary time back has submitted a memorandum with question to be put by a Member from the positive suggestion regarding certain working same party. We have spent a lot of time on conditions in Durgapur steel plant ? If so, this already. has Government given any thought to it, Mobile Soil Testing Laboratories especially the point they raised about unneces sary interference of the industrial security force which is creating much disturbance in + the steel plant ? *997. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- KAPPAN : MR. SPEAKER : Please try to make it the question only. Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : They have submitted memorandum with positive suggestions. (a) whether Government are considering a scheme for the establishment of Mobile Soil Testing Laboratories as a centrally-spon SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : AU sored scheme and propose to approve the positive suggestions by the recognised as well scheme for implementation during 1971-72 ; as unrecognised unions are given very careful and consideration. The industrial security force may be acting as an irritant, but the hon. (b) if so, the pattern of assistance for Member knows the working conditions there, the scheme ? and I am afraid the management cannot do THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE much in the matter. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH) : (a) The Government of SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : India initiated a scheme of Mobile Soil Test Why does he not withdraw it ? ing Laboratories as a Centrally Sponsored Scheme in 1968. The scheme is being imple SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Why keep mented in 1971-72. irritants there ? (b) The Government of India are SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : May 1 meeting 100% cost of the Mobile Soil Testing ask a question ?... Laboratories to be supplied to the State Governments. The operational cost including MR. SPEAKER : One Member from the expenditure on staff, necessary chemicals, his party has already asked a question. reagents, repairs and maintenance etc. of the laboratories will, however, be borne by the SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : Durgapur State Governments. is it very serious problem. In view of the importance of Durgapur, I may be permitted SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : Is it a fact to ask a question. that the Government of India informed the 21 Oral Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22 State Government on 24th June, 1961 that the Assam Government made a demand for a a scheme for the establishment of a mobile testing van ? testing laboratory had been approved by them, that ia, a Centrally Sponsored Schemc SHRI SHER SINGH : Yes. We supplied and that the mobile soil testing laboratories one van to Assam. at Trivandrum. AUeppey and Pattambi would be allotted to the State, and if so, may 1 SHRI MD. JAMILURRAHMAN : How know what the position is today ? many soil testing units are there in Bihar ? SHRI SHER SINGH : We have already SHRI SHER SINGH : So far, we have supplied one van to Bihar. been able to supply these mobile soil testing laboratories or units to ten States, namely SHRI LAKSHMINARAYANAN : As UP, Haryana, Punjab, Rajasthan, Gujarat, soil testing is closely connected with the Bihar, West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil supply of fertiliser, will Government insist Nadu and Mysore, and two more vans areon the Fertiliser Corporation and fertiliser now ready for the States of Assam and dealers taking up this work of soil testing so Mahaiashtra. 11 more will be ready soon that after that the correct dosage of the and they will be supplied to the other States. correct fertiliser could be given to the agriculturists ? SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : My question was whether in 1968 the Central Government SHRI SHER SINGH : Soil testing is wrote to the State Government that they done by these laboratories. They will also had approved the scheme so far as three recommend the type of fertilisers to be used places m the State were concerned. for the type of soil tested by them. SHRI SHER SINGH : We approved of Soviet Assistance to Kerala for production the scheme in 1969 and we arc implementing of Trawlers for Deep-Sea Fishing it in 1971-72. The fabrication of the vans and getting all the equipment etc. look unneces *999 SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : sarily long time in the DGS&D bccause Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be of certain procedural delays. It is only now pleased to state : that we have been able to get these vans and we are supplying these vans to those (a) whether the Soviet Union had States which are doing a lot of work in agri offered to Kerala big financial assistance for culture. We shall be slowly supplying them the setting up of factories to produce trawlers to the other States also. In all, we shall and other equipments for deep-sea fishing have about 34. 10 have already been supplied ; with a view to promote the fisheries industry two will be supplied very soon ; 11 are there in 1966 ; under fabrication. More will be fabricated in 1971*72, and I think we shall be supplying (b) If so, the main features of the all these 34 units. proposal ; and (c) whether the Kerala Government is SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : What is the allowed now to receive the aid from the farm of assistance for the scheme ? USSR ? SHRI SHER SINGH : 100 per cent of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the cost of the equipment and vans will be MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI given by the Central Government. This SHER SINGH) : (a) No offer of assistance will be Rs. 1.2S lakhs per unit, and this for construction of a boat building yard in will be given by the Union Government. The Kerala has been received either in 1966 or cost of maintenance, operational costs etc. subsequently. which will be abo'jt Rs. 30,000 per year will be met by the State Governments. (b) and (c). Do not arise. SHRI D. BASUMATARI : In the SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN; I seek course of the reply, Assam was left out. Has your protection first. 23 Oral Answers JULY 8, 1971 Oral Answers 24 MR. SPEAKER : There is nothing yet. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : That is about port. I do not ask about port. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : The answer given is totally incorrect and mislead SOME HON. MEMBERS : Boat. ing. The State Government has officially stated that there was proposal from the SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : I have Soviet Union and at that time it was opposed asked about financial assistance for the setting by the Defence Ministry on the ground that up of a factory to produce trawlers. there were some defence problems involved. So I would like to know from Government MR. SPEAKER : You can call a trawler whether they have taken some decision now, also a boat. af er knowing that there are similar agree- m«ents between the Soviet Union and the USA SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : Actually and no danger to defencc is involved in it, what is the answer, I would like to know. to accept the proposal. MR. SPEAKER : Please do not indulge SHRI SHER SINGH : We did not have in hair-splitting so much. any such offer. We came to a certain agreement about fishing with the USSR in 1966, but SHRI SHER SINGH ; For the setting up that was a general agreement, not with of a factory, there was no offer. regard to boat-building or anything else of this type. SHRI A. K GOPALAN : May I know whether it is a fact that some of the indigenous trawleis that have been bought are SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : In the lying idle bccause they cannot be used, and answer, the Minister has made refcrcnce to that there is a ban that unless the indigenous a port. In the question, I did not ask for trawlers are bought, no trawlers can be any such thing. The question was whether imported. Because the statement says that the Soviet Union had offered big financial suitable trawlers to suit local conditions assistance for setting up a factory to produce will be built later, will the Government trawlers and other deep-sea fishing equipment. consider removing the ban till then ? It is not a dockyard or something like that. MR. SPEAKER : The question is about MR. SPEAKER : He has very categori a Soviet offer. He asks that if there is no cally said that in 1966 there was a general offer from the Soviets, there are others, could agreement about fishing. they be availed of ? SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : The Minister SHRI SHER SINGH : When there is has replied twice saying that he did not an offer, it will be considered. receive any proposal to set up a port. This is about a factory for producing trawlers. Why is be giving irrelevant answers ? SHRI VARKEY GEORGE : The Minister has said that the Government has not received an offer from the USSR to SHRI SHER SINGH : It is about some build deep-sea fishing trawlers. Will he kindly factory to be set up for building boats. There tell us whether the Government has received was no proposal for setting up a factory an offer from the USSR to promote deep-sea for trawlers. 1 said there was a general fishing. agreement about fishing. SHRI SHER SINGH: I said that an SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : I am agreement was signed with the USSR in 1966. not satisfied with the answer. It was of a general nature. He has already strted that there was an MR. SPEAKER : Does it cover deep- offer from the Soviet Union. sea fishing also ? MR. SPEAKER: He says no. SHRI SHER SINGH : Yes. 25 Oral Answers ASADHA 17. 1893 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26 Setting sp of Farm Cooperative Federations for a district federation and 250 for the State instates federation. *1002. SHRI N. K. SINHA : Will the So far as the guide-lines are concerned, Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to we have from time to time been sending state : instructions and circular from the Central Government. The State Governments are (a) whether Government propose to looking after the scheme ; not the Central set up Farm Cooperative Federations in the Government now. It is in the State sector. States ; and SHRI N. K. SINHA : Considering the (b) if so, the main features of the materials which have been provided to us proposal ? in the statement made before the House, do the Government also propose to set up THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE agro service centres and also take up the MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI direct financing and marketing of the produce JAGANNATH PAHADIA) : (a) and (b). of these societies ? During 1966-67, the State Governments were advised to consider setting up of State and SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA : Yes, Distiict level Federations of Cooperative Farm Sir. The proposal is already there. Govern ing Societies, to provide technical assistance ment have decided to set up 500 such agro and guidance to, and generally to coordinate service centres throughout the country on a and facilitate the functioning of, Cooperative pilot basis. Farming Societies. The main features of the Schemc, which was a part of the Centrally Sponsored Schemc on Cooperative Farming «ft affair wm : If during 1966«67 to 1968*69 arc laid on the srmr =srT£crT ( ft frfa sgypft Table of the House [Placed In Library. ar% t ^ See No. LT-627/71] f cTOT w w r In response to the advice of the Central | ?...(^ww).„swwr *r^tesr, Government, State and/or District level Cooperative Farming Federations have been set up in a few States. Since April 1969, aram *rq | aftr the cooperative fanning programme is entirely in the State Sector. The Central Government 1 a r r c r % sranrsr ft *rq have no new proposal on the subject. fqfffc TT3FIT 3ftT % f s r ? ^ T O fTff fasfr 1 w fo q % srmr* ^?rr g fv SHRI N. K. SINHA : May I know the minimum number of farm societies which facft 3«r rrtr atfte TO is required for constituting a State Farm Co-operative Federation ? For instance, you have kept 50 as the minimum for a district federation. What is the minimum number w m w q^rff m : arnr x m for a State federation 7 That is the first % f *tt frpsr sar % f ? question. «ft «iNffCm s : $ TTRT % Secondly, considering the state of affairs of the apex cooperative organisations in most of the States, may I know whether the Government propose to give some definite f W W «H|Tf3Wrf : 3T|r x m guide-lines so that the work of these newly- v r m r® im ff formed cooperative federations may proceed more smoothly than the other apex bodies ? t aw w aftt sr^r—%f%5T aptftr *ns*r sr^r vr mror tit SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA : The W27f t Vio lation of Mines Regulations Act by 1968 ... 168 prosecutions West Bengal and Bihar Collieries 1969 ... 259 *1003. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 1970 ... 243 (provisional) REHABILITATION be pleased to state : SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : What (a) whether a number of collieries arc the nature of the violations ? in West Bengal and Bihar have violated Mines Regulations Act, during 1970-71 and SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : So many during January to May, 1971 ; violations under the regulations lake place. I cannot say off hand what (b) if so, the total number and names those violations are. I will give a of collieries which have violated Mines comprehensive statement regarding the names Regulations Act in West Bengal and Bihar ; and the categories of violations because the and regulations are very rigid. (c) the action taken against the con cerned ? Employment to Bangla Desh Refugees *1004. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHA BILITATION be pleased to state : BILITATION (SHRI BALGOVIND VER- M A): (a) to (c). The information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of (u) whether for construction, manage the House after it is received. ment and administration of various Depait- ments of the refugees camps, big and small, large number of persons will be required SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : By which for various works there ; time you arc expecting to get this in formation ? (b) if so, whether first priority will be given for recruiting such persons from among THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND the ablc-bodies refugees ; REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- KAR) ; He has asked for information (c) if so, the number of refugees re regarding the total number and names of cruited so far for the purpose ; and mines. There are hundreds of mines. That is one point. * (d) whether the rest of the persons will be rerecruited from among the unemployed Then, there is a mistake in this question. educated youths of the eastern region of There is no “ Mines Regulations Act.” India. There is only the Mines Act of 1952. Under the Directorate General of Mines Safety, these THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE inspections are carried out from time to time. MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHA I think I can give some information but BILITATION (SHRI BALGOVIND it is not exhaustive covering ail the mines. VERMA) : (a) Yes, Sir. If he is interested, I can give him the number of inspections carried out between 1969 and 1970, from quarter to quarter. That (b) and (c). No, Sir. The refugees from information is there. What is more relevant East Bengal are foreign nationals and they is how many people were prosecuted. The are being provided with improvised relief relevant figures are as follows : facilities on humanitarian grounds. They cannot, therefore, be recruited for construc tion, management and administration of 1965 ... 155 prosecutions camps on regular basis. Some are, however, 1966 ... 173 being employed on voluntary/daily remune ration basis to the extent work befitting their 1967 ... 238 aptitude is available. 29 Written Answers ASADHA 17,1893 {SAKA) Written Artwers 30 (d) Regular posts in various Departments THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of refugee camps are being filled up from MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI amongst ex-servicemen as well as others, who SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The State Gove have necessary qualifications satisfying job rnments of Kerala and Mysore have established requirements. public sector undertakings for commercial exploitation of marine fisheries including SHRI SAMAR GUHA : May I knowhow deep sea fisheries. The Central Government many of them have been employed on a has a deep sea fishing organisation which voluntary basis ? Since they can manage their conducts exploratory surveys for location own affairs of rehabilitation, may J know of fishing grounds and experimental fishing how many of them have been given self in located grounds. Twenty-three vessels are management in these different schemes ? being acquired, mostly from indigenous ship-building yards, for strengthening this THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND organisation. The Indo-Norwegian Project REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1L- at Cochin also has some vcsse's engaged KAR) : So far as the internal management in survey of deep sea resources. of the camp is concerned, if somebody volun teers for the sake of sanitation and other There is a wide variety of designs for things, certainly such voluntary service is deep sea fishing vessels. These include traw taken from him. But the question asks lers for fishing of sea-bottom dwelling spices about employment in construction, management like shrimp, purseiners for surface shoaling and administration. Only doctors, nurses species like sardines and mackeral, gillnetters and para medical staff get employment on for pomfrets, long-liners for tune, etc. daily basis and they are paid something. Vessels may also be designed for more than As the main reply has made clear, they are one technique of fishing. In, India, the foreigners in that sense and, therefore, regular concentration of effort at present is on traw employment is not possible. ling. Various designes of trawlers have been used in other countries. Of these, stern SHRI SAMAR GUHA : There are thou trawlers and out-rigger trawlers are considered sands and thousands of able-bodied youngmcn. suitable. A design of a 57-ft. trawlers has Could they not be given self-employment on a been developed in the country. Under a voluntary basis ? scheme of limited import, larger trawlers upto about 108-ft. in length are expected SHRI R. K. KHAD1LKAR : The camps to be acquired for comme'cial fish are constructed at distant places and once the ing, and these will provide proto types camps are ready the refugees are shifted to on the basis of which designs specially suit that camp. So, at the time of construction able for use under local conditions can be we are not in a position to avail of their developed. services. This is the position, As I said, for medical and similar services they are Expansion of the Scope of Agreement with taken on an ad hoc basis, wherever they G. D. R. Government for return of RS-09 are available. Tractors *998. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will the WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : Plan for Deep Sea Fishing in Public Sector and suitability of Trawlers therefor (a) whether negotiations have been held ♦995. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the with the Government of German Democratic Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased Republic to expand the scope of the Protocol to state : signed with German Democratic Republic Suppliers on the 21st February, 1971 about (a) whether Government have any plan RS-09 Tractors to cover alt the 2,000 tractors to start deep-sea fishing in the public sector supplied by them and found defective ; and and If so, the salient features thereof; and (b) if so, the outcome thereof ? (b) the kind of trawlers considered proper THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for large scale operations in deep-sea fishing ? MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI *1 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Answers 32 SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). Negotiations are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE being conducted with the G. D. R. Suppliers to MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI expand the scopc of the Protocol and the SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The decision outcome thereof is awaited. of Government to appoint two representatives of the workers on the Board of Directors of Hindustan Steel Ltd. was announced by the Report of Expert Committee to enquire into testing of RS-09 Tractors at Bu 'ni Minister of Steel and Mines in a statement made in Parliament on the 14th June, 1971. *1000. SHRI BUTA SINGH : Will the An assessment of its impact on the labour- Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to management relations in the Steel Plants under Hindustan Steel Ltd. can be made only after refer to the repiy given to Unstarred Question the decision has been implemented. No. 570 on the 27th May, 1971 and state : (b) and (c). The workers’ representatives (a) whether the report of the Committee on the Joint Negotiating Committee for the of Experts set up to enquire into the testing Steel Industry have been requested to send of RS-09 tractors at Budni has since been their suggestions for the implementation of examined ; the decision. These are awaited. (b) if so, the main findings of this Committee and its recommendations ; and h (c) the action taken thereon ? *1005. qsw * : ^rr iwrar v f t * WTH ETg- t i t fl’TT VT** THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fa : MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH) : (a) The Report is under examination. (v ) sprT f® ^ tit ^TTcT fftfcT if ^pffTTO Srfa*TT (b) A copy of the Report of the Com sFforoff % ssnft 3rr??t^n mittee of Experts will be placed on the Table of the Sabha shortly. t i t t ; t f r (c) Necessary action will be taken in the («r) $r, a t w tw< (b) whether the criteria for the represen (si) ftrvprcff ara-afcr *»?$* tation of workers’ nominee has been settled; % fa q vt%r tfr fawn? % VRfeur ‘ and ^ f wftw wror ?«nfa?r fa*rr w (c) if so, the main features thereof ? 11 «fhc fofav k 33 Written Answers ASADHA 17,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 34 but rail transport of fish from Kerala is mostly in the form of parcel traffic. The v ro *f$ gfoffrRT *mr t ftr fish is iced for preservation. In addition, ^ r v r n r f $ *pt facn^T f^Tsrff^r trw r# substantial qualities of iced fish are transported m ^m by road vans to various internal areas such as % ftor aron Coorg, Bangalore and Niligiris. Setting up of Nickel Smelter and Lead Smelter in Orissa Gratuity for Employees Provident Fund Organisation Employees *1006. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased *1008. SHRI R P. YADAV : Will the to state ; Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA TION be pleased to state : (a) whether the Orissa Government have submitted its proposal to set up a nickel (a) whether in other autonomous bodies, smelter and a lead smelter in Orissa ; and there is provision for contributory Provident Fuod-cum-Giatuity and Family Pension-cum- (b) if so, the time by which licence will Gratuity benefits to their employees whereas in be given for starting these two plants ? the Employees Provident Fund Organisation, there is family pension* cum-gratuity or con THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tributory Provident Fund benefits to the MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI employees ; SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) No, Sir. (b) if so, the reasons for discrimination (b) Does not arise to the employees of the Employees Provident Fund Organisation in so far as the employees, Air-Conditioned Rail Transport for who have opted for Contributory Provident Despatch of Fish Fund, are not being given benefit of Gratuity as well ; and *1007. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (c) the steps contemplated to remove pleased to state : this disparity ? (a) whether his Ministry has taken up THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND the question of providing air-conditioned rail REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- transport to facilitate transport of fish without KAR) : The administration of the Employees’ spoilage to interior places ; Provident Fund Organisation is the concern of the Central Board of Trustees set up under (b) whether there is any arrangement to the Employees’ Provident Funds and Family transport fish landed in Kerala coast to Pension Fund Act and is not the direct interior places in Tamil Nadu, Andhra concern of the Government. The Provident Pradesh, Mysore and Madhya Pradesh ? Fund authorities have reported as under THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) Other autonomous bodies have their MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI own rules not all of which are on any single SHER SINGH) : (a) Introduction of pattern. The employees of the Employees’ refrigerated rail transport was taken up by Provident Fund Organisation who joined this Ministry in 1939. 9 vans are now service prior to 1-4-1960 were extended the operating between Palasa and Howrah, Calicut benefit of Contributory Provident Fund but and Madras and Veraval and Delhi. 3 vans they were given an option to be covered by are now under construction and are expected the Pension-cum-gratuity benefits instead of to be delivered during 1971-72. Orders have the Contributory Provident Fund benefit. been placed for 6 more vans. Those appointed from 1-4-1960 onwards are compulsorily covered by the Liberalised (b) There is a bi-weekly refrigerated Pension-cum-Gratuity Scheme and the Family rail van service between Calicut and Madras, Pension Scheme as admissible to the corres 35 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Anfwers 36 ponding Central Go vernment employees from in that zone, or both. Consequent on the time to time. recent fall in oil prices, incorporation of soybean oil has been discontinued in all zones (b) and (c). In the cirumstances stated and, in addition, vanaspati prices in the above, the question of discrimination or dis South zone were reduced by 20 paise per kg. parity does not arise. on the 23rd June 1971. Schcme for Nationalisation of Sugar Industry Integrated Regional Development Corporation in Tamil Nadu for Exploitation of Water and Forest Resources for Agricultural Development ♦1009. SHRI BHUVARAHAN : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased *1011. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will to state : the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (a) whether the Tamil Nadu Government have sent any concrete scheme for nationali (a) whether Government propose to sation of sugar industry in Tamil Nadu ; establish an Integrated Regional Development Corporation for areas like the Western Ghats, (b) if so, the steps taken by Central Himalayan region, Brahmaputra, and other Government in this regard ; and regions to exploit all their water and forest resources for agricultural development and (c) the percentage of the total production allied industry ; and of sugar in Tamil Nadu, both in private and public (co-operative sugar mills) sector ? (b) if so, the main features thereof ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. SHER SINGH) : (a) No Sir. (b) Does not arise. (b) Question does not arise. (c) Private sugar mills have contributed Accumulation of structural Steel Cuttings 69.1 per cent, and the co-operative sugar mills in Alloy Steel Plant, Durgapur 30.9 per cent in the total sugar production of 2.69 lakh tonnes of Tamil Nadu sugar mills *1012. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : during 1970-71 upto 22nd June, 1971. Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state : Price of Vanaspati (a) whether the Alloy Steel Plant, *1010. SHRI C. CHITTIBABU : Will Durgapur has accumulated a huge stock of the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased structural Steel cuttings of different sizes ; to state : (b) whether these cuttings are being used (a) whether there has been a downward as melting scrap at the plan ; tendency in edible oils ; and (c) whether these structural cuttings are (b) if so, whether the controlled rates of much costlier than melting sharp obtainable vanaspati will also be reduced ? from the market or from other plants ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) if so, the steps taken to avoid un MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI necessary expenditure being incurred on this SHER SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. account ? (b) Reduction in oil prices in any zone is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE reflected in an appropriate reduction either in MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI vanaspati prices in that zone, or in the level SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) About 1500 of incorporation of soybean oil by the factories tonnes of structural steel cuttings of different 37 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 38 sixes had bsoa wtu.-nad to the plant by the 1 2 3 structural steel fabricators and contractors who constructed the shops of the plant This Patna (Bihar) 183 1.95 material has since been disposed of by the plant. Ahmedabad (Gujarat) 184 (29.6.71) 1.90 (b) No, Sir. Trivandrum (Kerala) 181 1.90 (c) Not necessarily. However, where sad) cuttings are of such sizes as can be used Indore (Madhya as re-rollable or industrial scrap, they would Pradesh) 175 1.78 be costlier than melting scrap obtainable from the market. Madras (Tamil Nadu) 175 1.80 (d) The cuttings have been sold by the Bombay (Maharashtra) 184 1.95 plant through open tender at the best avail able price. Thus no unnecessary expenditure Bangalore (Mysore) 182 1*90 was incurred by the plant. Cuttack (Orissa) 190 2.00 Rise tn Price of Sugar after Decontrol *1013. SHRI SAMINATHAN : Will Jaipur (Rajasthan) 183 1*95 the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : Kanpur/Lucknow (Uttar Pradesh) 180 1.90 (a) whether the sugar price has not come down after decontrol and unpieccdented Asansol (West Bengal) 195 2.00 release of 405 thousand tonnes of sugar ; (b) the ruling price of sugar ; and Calcutta (West Bengal) 196 2.10 (c) the steps proposed to be taken by Delhi 193 195 Government to check the rise in price of sugar ? Closure of Central Fisheries Corporation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI *1014. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : SHER SINGH) : (a) The sugar prices after Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be decontrol are generally lower than the open pleased to state : market prices prior to decontrol. The quantity of sugar released in May 1971 after (a) whether a decision to close the decontrol was 450 thousand tonnes. Central Fisheries Corporation immediately has (b) A statement indicating the latest been taken ; and wholesale and retail prices of sugar in some important markets is laid on the Table of the (b) if so, the reason therefor ? Sabha. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) Releases for sale of sugar by factories MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI are being regulated in order to maintain SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The question reasonable and stable prices in the market. of the future of the Corporation is under consideration, but a decision in the matter has Statement not yet been taken by Government. (As on 30.6.71) Place Wholesale price Retail 10 m wfa srtar wfa wife (Rs. per quintal) Price Rs./Kg. ftwnff frgram w r o f t *itaRT 1 2 3 Hyderabad (Andhra *ioi5. fipgfa fa*r: «ftt wfa *rePr Pradeib) 180 1.85 tfr FTT fa : GaUhati (Assam) 188 2.00 .ImlUfci n.i.ato*. limm lift .nil. , , (v) «ft t snsrre % t o tpu* % 39 Written Answers JULY , 1971 Written Answer1* 40 f f a ifrwr tjpr faffpff vt ^nr?rT f W f%VRT ^ FEft *PT «Tf?9P|4 VnhPT % focj *l>tf sfto’TT *Pt | ; ( « ) *rfo ft, eft ^RT sffaPTT % 3 R T % Girdth collieries under National Coal Develop* ment Corporation pRTFff *Ft 3TC? WK aftr frfa-3w r*r ’cTTsrssr *ptt% afVr *1016. SHRI CHAPAL BHATTA- frfvrftm % amrrc t t ^ Vft*iim9 S wiifV («ft*mww (b) whether Government have decided to «TfTffxn) : (w) *faft JTt^nrr % afrcR reimburse the losses suffered by N.C.D.C. for carrying out the Presidential Directive ; W ta *t *t ^tsnrrq-' ^ *?t *rf | fsR Jr ft i«p ®t£, %fap?r sta tist w s r m «tt% (c) if not, the time by which Government propose to decide the same ; fvWFff % | f3R% (b) if so, the action taken so far against the balance spare parts of the value of Rs. those responsible, for its safe keeping ? 50,768.97 the position is as under THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (i) Spare parts yet to be MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI delivered by the Eco SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) No, Sir, nomic Transport Organisation. Rs 38.965.72 (b) Does not arise. (ii) Spare parts which are Fraud in Purchase of Auto parts in Delhi stated to have been Milk Scheme delivered in the D.M.S. but not yet credited to *1018. SHRI A. N. CHAWLA : Stores. Rs. 7,643.42 SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : (iii) Spare parts invoiced by Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be M/s. TELCO but which pleased to state : do not appear to have been received by Delhi (a) whether the Delhi Milk Scheme had Milk Scheme. Rs. 4,159.83 ordered auto parts worth 4 lakhs of rupees during 1970*71 from a Jamshedpur firm ; Total : Rs. 50,768.97 (b) whether the parts bad never been The above position has emerged after the received in the stores of the Delhi Milk Scheme visit of the Transport Engineer to Jamshedpur and the discrepancy was discovered by the and after the matter was taken up by the Auditors; Internal Audit Wing of Delhi Milk Scheme. (c) whether a report in this respect had (c) No. also not been made with the police ; (d) There has been no evidence of the (d) whether the parts had been despat* disposal of the spare parts not credited to ched by the suppliers but were disposed of in Stores by the Stores personnel in connivance the way by the Store personnel in connivance with the Senior officials of Delhi Milk Scheme. with the senior officials of DMS ; and Spare parts of the value of Rs. 7,643.42 which are reported to have been delivered but not (e) the action taken by Government credit to tbe Stores of Delhi Milk Scheme, are against the defaulting officials of the Delhi however yet to be accounted for. milk Scheme and whether an enquiry has been ordered in the case ; if so, when the enquiry (e) The Government have taken serious ia likely to be completed ? notice of the discrepancies and have asked the Chairman, D.M.S. to make a thorough enquiry THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and submit his report. Meanwhile, Chairman, MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI D.M.S. has served a 'show cause’ notice on SHER SINGH): (a) During 1970-71, supply the Store Keeper who was incharge of the orders for transport of spare parts of the value Stores Receipt Section at a time the spare of Rs. 5,76,000 (approx.) were placed by Delhi parts are reported to have been received. This Milk Scheme on M/s. Tata Engineering and Store Keeper is already under suspension in Locomotives Co., Jamshedpur. connection with another case of default. Entitlement for Bonos under the Coal Mines (b) Against the above Supply Orders, Bonus Scheme spare parts worth Rs. 4,18,324.01 were des patched upto 30th of June, 1971 by M/s. *1019. SHRI R. N. SHARMA : Will the TELCO through their Transport Contractor Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI M/a, Economic Transport Organisation. The TATION be pleased to state : Delhi Milk Scheme, however, credited to their stores spare parts of the value of Ri. 3,67,555.04 (a) whether the facilities for entitlement by the end of June, 1971. As regards for bonus to the coal mine workers under the 43 Written Answers JULY *, 1971 Written Answers 44 Coal Mines Bonus Schemc was extended upto (a) whether Food Corporation of India a basic earning of Rs. 730/ -per month vide has not despatched wheat to Assam since Government Notification No. G.S.R. 191, November, 1970 though they have allotted dated 22nd January, 1968 ; Assam’s quota on paper ; and (b) whether by a Notification the said provision was amended and those facilities (b) if so, the factors responsible for were withdrawn keeping elegibilily for bonus this ? limited to basic earning not exceeding Rs. 5001 - per month ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MI NISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. During the period (c) whether persons drawing salary upto November, 1970 to June, 1971 about 1.5 lakh Rs. 500/—per month but functioning in a tonnes of wheat was moved to Assam, out of managerial or administrative capacity and also which supplies to allottees in Assam including persons entering into such job after 15th State Government, flour mills etc., where about March, 1967 were kept out of the purview of 1.3 lakh tonnes' the Coal Mines Bonus Scheme ; and (b) Does not arise. (d) if so, what necessitated the Govern ment to unilaterally amend the Coal Mines Dry Farming Scheme in Gujarat Bonus Scheme much to the prejudice of the interests of the coal mine workers ? 4226. SHRI JADEJA : Will the Minis ter of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1L- (a) the name and the number of pilot KAR) : (a) Yes, Sir. projects selected under Dry Farming Scheme in Gujarat ; and (b) to (d). The Coal Mines Bonus Scheme were amended in March, 1971 to exclude an (b) the area covered under the scheme in employee— the State ? (i) who is employed mainly in managerial THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE or administrative capacity ; or MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). Two Pilot Projects under Dryland Farming Scheme, one (ii) who, being employed in a supervisory each in districts of Rajkot and Amreli have capacity, draws wages exceeding Rs. been sanctioned during 1970-71 and 1971-72 500/—-p.m. or exercise cither by the respectively, in Gujarat. During the first year nature of the duties attached to his of its implementation, the area of each project office or by reason of powers vested will be 2,000 acres, which will increase by in him, functions mainly of a mana 2,000 acres each year till 1973-74. gerial nature ; Per Acre yield of Paddy Wheat and Pulses because the recommendations of the Cen tral Wage Board on the Coal Mining Industry 4227, SHRI ESWARA REDDY : Will did not cover such employees. However, a the Minister of A.GRICULTURE be pleased specific provision has been made that this to state the per acre yield of paddy, wheat amendment will not disentitle any employee and pulses, Statewise ; during the last three who was eligible to receive bonus before the years, year-wise ? implementation of the recommendations of the Central Wage Board for the Coal Mining THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Industry from receiving such bonus. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH)): A statement showing per Non-Despatch of wheat to Assam hectare yield of rice, wheat and pulses ia different States for the three years 1967*68 to ♦1020. SHRIMATI JYOTSNA CHANDA : 1969-70 is laid on the Table of tbe Ho m b . Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be {Placed in Library. Set No. L1W427A/7I] pleased to state : Similar data for 1970-71 are not yet available* 45 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 46 if f m iw m % fw? (* ) fiww^n * m % aw ew W lr *wf jfaRT ^ faratft ft n i 11 4228. «ft STI : «PTT (y) TT^T f^5t % sfa if iRft ?pt fTTT for : firapsfr ^n% % f^rr (rsf) ^ fzf^ r sr^rr f?wrr 1sAr aftfacr farr & m * ft vrf (* ) fsr% s^ nr fa% ff f m \i f tw f ttit ^r^nxTT $ 1 amn | n% *FT«r sr*ft3fiff % *R-fe«ftapr *t r (*T) fap?r% ^3ff t fasrsft ^TTf nf (a) whether the employees of the Food Corporation of India, working at Gaya, t ; Mokamah and Jamshedpur resorted to hunger strike before the Office of the Regional Mana (?) ffap^'< TO-fiTtoR i* apTcR? ger. Patna ; and Pra% f aft % tavft w f ^ t ^ (b) if so, their demands and the steps being taken to meet the same ? (?) zrfa ?ft faff *r fs r ^ ?r WH*| % WT ^TRW § afft KAR) : The information is being collected (c) No, Sir. and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. Development of a New Wheat Seed by Functions of Food Coorporation of India and Punjab Agriculture University Department of Food 4233. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH 4232. SHRI CHELLACHAMI: Will the GARCHA : Will the Minister of AGRICUL Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to TURE be pleased to state : state : (a) whether the Punjab Agricultural (a) whether the functions of Food Cor University has developed a new wheat seed poration of India and Department of Food are which is better than the best including Mexican more or less the same ; variety ; (b) whether the Food Corporation of (b) if so, the name of the new variety India instead of serving the public interest in of seed ; and an economical way incurs very heavy overhead expenditure and thus incurs heavy loss ; and (c) in what way the new seed is better than the other high-yielding varieties of wheat ? (c) if so, whether Government propose to appoint a Committee to inquire into the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE functioning of Food Corporation of India ? MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH) : (a) A number of new THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE varieties coming out of the wheat breeding MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI programmes of Punjab Agricultural University SHER SINGH): (a) No, Sir. While the and other centres are undergoing comparison Department of Food has the overall responsi for yield and other characters in the All India bility for formulating food policy of the Coordinated trials. It is too early to consider Government and promulgating regulatory the results of these trials as sufficiently final measures and ensuring their implementation, to claim superiority of particular varieties over the Food Corporation of India functions as the present dwarf wheats. the sole executive agency of the Central Govern ment in the Helds of foodgrains and other (b) Among the promising varieties from foodstuffs. In addition to these the Food Punjab Agricultural University were WL 212, Corporation of India has undertaken some WG 357 and WG 377 in the trial last year other responsibilities such as handling and (1970-71), and this year the variety WG 461 sale of fertilisers imported on Government has been added. Their superiority can be account and setting up of food processing confirmed only after further trials. units. (c) Does not arise. (b) No, Sir. The Corporation seeks to serve both the farmer and the consumer—the Central Assistance for Boosting Agricultural former by extending massive price support Production in Tamil Nadu at fixed procurement prices and the latter by holding the price lines through distribution of 4234. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH foodgrains at fixed issue prices. The Centra] GARCHA: Government is reimbursing the losses incurred SHRI BHUVARAHAN : in Central transaction* as the Central issue prion do not cover the entire economic cost Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be of the grain and contain an element of subsidy pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred to the consumer. The overhead expenditure Question No. 260 on the 3rd June, 1971, much of which is by way of interest on Govern regarding World Bank loan for Special Land ment loans and bank overdrafts, railway freight, Development Scheme in Tamil Nadu and taxes, m&ndi charges and othejr statutory levies state : is constantly reviewed by the Government and kept at the minimum possible level. The (a) whether Central Government wilt Corporation has not incurred any loss since also provide similar assistance to Tamil Nadu it started regular operations. to boost up agricultural production ; and 49 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 50 (b) if 90, the main features thereof ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHER SINGH) : (a) 2046 number of tube- MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI wells were installed during the Third Plan and SHER SINGH): (a) and (b). All assistance 12,729 numbers have been installed by including loans provided for projects, (whether the end of April, 1971 of which 3,805 tube- for Tamil Nadu or for any other State), that wells were installed in the first two years of are based upon agreements with the World the Fourth Plan (1969-70 and 1970-71). Bank, is assistance from sources obtained by the Government of India. Therefore, the (b) According to the latest statistics Tamil Nadu project agreed to by the I.D.A. available for the year 1967*68. about 8.0 m. is as much as Centrally assisted project as hectares of cultivated land In Bihar depend any other, and it is to be hoped that it would solely on ram water. lead to higher agricultural production in that State. (c) The steps being contemplated to instal a large number of tubewells include (a) Setting up of Vigilance Enquiry Re : giving maximum priority to State tubewells in complaints of corruption in the allocation of public sector funds available distribution of Steel for minor irrigation under the State Plan ; (b) Mobilising financial resources from Land 4235. SHRI S. N. M1SRA : Will the Development Banks, Agricultural Refinance Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased Corporation and Central Cooperative Banks to state : for private tubewells ; (c) Setting up adequate groundwater organisation in the State for (a) whether any Vigilance Enquiry has looking after expanded programme of Tube been set up in respect of certain employees of wells ; and (d) strengthening arrangements his Department regarding their unaccounted for groundwater surveys and investigations in means and wealth ; and the State. (b) if so, the names of officers against Setting up of Credit Institutions to provide whom such Vigilance Enquires have been set Credit to Borrowers from Rural and up ? Agrarian Sectors THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4237. SHRI C. K CHANDRAPPAN : MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): pleased to state : (a) No, Sir. No such enquiry has been (a) whether Government propose to set ordered against any employees of Steel. up credit institutions of a different pattern then the commercial banks to give credit to (b) Does not arise. borrowers from rural and agrarian sectors : Installation of Tobe-Wells in Bihar (b) if so, the salient features of the scheme proposed in this regard ; 4236. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to (c) whether an Expert Committee ap state : pointed by the Agricultural Commission headed by Shri T. A. Pai had gone into this (9) the number of Tube-well s installed matter; and during the Third Plan and in the Fourth Plan so far in the State of Bihar; (d) if so, the recommendations made by that Committee ? (b) whether large tracks Of land stilt depend solely on rain water; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (e) the steps being contemplated to SHER SINGH) : (a) No Sir. m»ta) lane number of Tube-Wells in the State of Bihar? (b) Does not arise, 51 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Answers 52 (c) The Study Team under the Chairman Watershed Management Board for Rhrer ship of Shri T.A. Pai, has been set up by the Valley Projects in Orissa National Commission on Agriculture to exa 4239. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- mine the problems of agricultural credit and to make recommendation*. The Team has not GRAHI : Will the Minister of AGRICUL TURE be pleased to state : yet submitted its final report. (a) whether a watershed Management (d) Does not arise. Board for river valley projects has been con stituted in Orissa by now ; fa i nnfotrT sflr fsmjrt (b) if so, the main features of the pro m m vt vfa grammes drawn up by the Board for Orissa ; and (c) the amount of assistance given by 4238. W* wm m : TOT f|f* Government for this purpose so far ? Tf?f> VW s t o *T ^ % 3 3pr 1971 % 3r?rrTTfo?T THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHFT 1228 % Sf SHER SINGH): (a) Yes Sir. ^TT% ^ FTT ®FT?T far : (b) According to reports of the State Government the Board will coordinate water («f) ^ t t % % shed planning and management activities of 3r§t srr 2000 $srtxtt ?rfa % fan * the different Departments of the State Govern m % ment * draw up coordinated programmes and ifftfFrr ®Pt faWTf^cT SRTR ; review their implementation. Board in its first meeting has selected several watersheds (m ) TOT *R*TTT *FT fa^TT fa * for initiating such programmes in the State. n n f m v : aft? ftmft % vft zft^prr^ fc) The Government of India have given srrc^r *rr | ; aftx an assistance of Rs. 255.25 lakhs comprising of Rs. 172.17 lakhs as grant and Rs. 83 08 (n) zrfc ?rf, cfr lakhs as loan upto March, 1971 under the Centrally Sponsored Programme of Soil Con* srf%»r f t fctr ^ | ? servation in the catchments of Hirakud and Machkund River Valley Projects. vf* **iwt if w mft (*ft fit : (ap) zffaRT % Tarai Development Corporation qf^tffaRT & 5TT*ftfaRT ^t*T % SffiW 4240. SHRI J1TENDRA PRASAD : 50 00 HPST ^ % faafT ^T T $ Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : % gsTTC % 2000 |^ T T ijfa ?PT *pt fwtrr *nu 1 1 * gt?rr- (a) whether the Tarai Development f%r® * * * % sffr far^r 3p*rr Corporation in Uttar Pradesh is controlled by big Farmers and Industrialists apart from *r ^ frrtt the shares of the Pant Nagar University and irfaifi % fa^rrt farcr 1 1 the National Seeds Corporation ; and (b) if so, the number of farmers who (sr) v t aftr fa^nrr ^ r r fa% own shares in the Tarai Development Cor* $ *rf *rnt«r5ff qffrftsrm % qftwmf poration and who have holding* upto ten acres ? fa$ ? qr’fcrr 1 THE MINISTER OF STATU IN THE (*t) s r w ^ ^ ^ e r r MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE SHER SINGH) : (a) The shares of the Areas (Acquisition & Development) Act, 1957 Tarai Development Corporation have been for exploitation by N.C.D.C. The entire purchased by 1022 farmers of Tarai area, property is, however, in dispute between from the National Seed Corporation and State Government of Bihar and M/s. Bokaro Uttar Pradesh Agricultural University. There & Ramgarh Ltd. in the Court of sub-ordinate are 6 farmers, who are on the Board of Judge, Hazaribagh in Title Suit No. 16 of Directors of the Tarai Development Corpora 1961. The Court has appointed an officer tion, one of the farmers is also an industrial of Bihar Government as Receiver for the list. Two of them have holdings less than property. As the matter is sub-judice, it 100 acres, another two between 100-200 acres, will not be appropriate to furnish the other fifth holding 200 acres and the sixth holding information asked for. 700 acres. Scarcity Areas in Various States (b) There is no farmer, participating in the Tarai/Seed Development Project, who has holding upto ten acres. 4242. SHRI PHOOL CHAND VERMA : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : Exploration by National Coal Development Corporation in Hazaribagh District (a) the names of various areas which the State Governments have declared as 4241. SHRI DAMODAR PANDEY :scarcity areas this year also ; and Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state : (b) the steps taken by Government to remove such shortage of food-grains ? (a) the area explored by National Coal Development Corporation in Kedla and Taping B'ock of Hazaribagh Distiict which THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has been released to the Receiver of Bokaro MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI & Ramgarh Ltd for further exploitation ; SHER SINGH) : (a) In Bihar State, an area covering 20 blocks in 8 districts has been declared famine affected area. Scarcity (b) whether that Receiver on their conditions have been reported by the Govern behalf has distributed to private entrepreneurs ments of Andhra Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, in the name of Managing Agency ; Jammu & Kashmir, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Mysore and Rajasthan. A (c) if so, how many private entrepreneurs statement showing the details of prevalence have been allotted in those blocks ; of famine and scarcity conditions in the country is attached. (d) whether this is in accordance with Industrial Policy Resolution of having (b) It is the responsibility of the mineral industry in Public Sector ; and Government of the State concerned to meet the shortages of foodgrains in particular areas of the State. The distribution of food (e) whether similar efforts are being grains procured within the State as well as made by private parties to get other areas those received from the Central Pool and explored by N.C.D.C. released from determination of the needs for such distri Government. bution in different areas of the State is the concern of the State Government. So far THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE as the Central Government are concerned, MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI allotment and supplies of foodgrains to SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) to (e). The different States from the Central Pt>ol are National Cool Development Corporation made after taking into consideration the prospected 3000 acres and 2160 acres in requirements of all the States requiring assis Kedla and Taping blocks respectively. The tance and the over-ail availability in the area is under notification under Coal Bearing Central Pool. 55 Written Answers JULY 8,1971 Written Answers 56 Statement Details of prevalence of famine and scarcity conditions in States, FAMINE Name of the District No. of blocks declared Area in Sqr. Kilo Population in as Famine affected Metre lakh BIHAR 1, Patna 1 185.6 1 15 2. Gaya 3 205 6 2.74 3. Monghyr 9 3216.4 7.97 4. Darbhanga 1 235.0 0.62 5. Champaran 1 120 3 0.67 6. Saharsa 2 452.1 1.64 7. Santhal Pargana — — — 8. Hazaribagh 2 1186.9 1.50 9. Dhanbad - — — 10. Shahabad — — — 11. Muzaffarpur 1 233 0 1.54 12. Bhagalpur — — — Total— 20 6434.9 17 83 SCARCITY State No . of affected No. of affccted Affected population districts villages (lakhs) 1. Andhra Pradesh N. A, N. A. N. A. 2. Assam 2 N. A, N. A. 3. Bihar 12 100 blocks 94.34 4. Jammu and Kashmir 3 N. A. N. A. 5. Maharashtra 21 31,126 N. A. 6. Madhya Pradesh 2 280 N. A. 7. Mysore 12 6,625 45.60 8. Orissa 6 320* N. A. 9. Rajasthan 8 503 3.03 N. A. =» Not available. * Oram Panchayats. 57 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 58 Wor kers* Participation in Management of the Government of India to the construction Public awl Private Undertakings of a fishing harbour at Mattancherry, Cochin, at an estimated cost ofRs. 272.40 lakhs 4243. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will has been issued on 15th June, 1971. The the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI cost of the harbour will be met by the LITATION be pleased to state : Government of India under the Fourth Plan Central Scheme for provision of fishing (a) whether there is any proposal under harbours at major ports. consideration of Government to include the workers’ representatives in the management Assistance to West Bengal for Cast Bengal or Board of Directors of factories/under* Refugees takings both in the public sector or private sector ; and 4245. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA : Will the Minister of LABOUR (b) if so, what is the method of selecting AND REHABILITATION be pleased to such representatives ? state .* THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (a) whether Government of West Bengal REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. have urged the Centre to sanction Rs. 2.5 KHADILKAR): (a) and (b). Government crores for relief to refugees from East Bengal ; have decided to introduce a scheme for the and appointment of a woikers' representative on the Boards of Management of some appro (b) if so, the estimate of refugees forming priate public sector undertakings. The the baiis of this financial assistance ? recognised union in the undertaking would be asked to submit a panel of three persons, from whom the Government would select TUG MINISTER OF LABOUR AND one for nomination as Director. The person REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL should have attained the age of 25 years KAR) : (a) A sum of Rs. 14 82 crores has and should have a minimum of five years already been made available to the Govern service in the undertaking and would not ment of West Bengal as ‘on account’ advance attain the age of superanuation during the for relief operation to refugees from East terms of appointment as Director. Bengal. (b) As on 1st July, 1971, about 5020 A Fishing Harbour at Mattancherry, Cochin, Kerala State lakhs refugees had entered West Bengal of whom 33.26 lakhs were in camps. 4244. SHRI M. K KRISHNAN : Will Crash Programme for Rural Employment the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased in Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Orissa and to refer to the reply given to Starred Question Haryana No. 110 on the 30th July, 1970 and state ; 4246. SHRI R. V. SWAM IN ATH AN : (a) the progress made in starting a Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be fishing harbour at Mattancherry, Cochin, pleased to state : Kerala State ; (a) whether State Governments of Tamil (b) whether the Project Report has Nadu, Kerala, Orissa and Haryana have ex* been examined ; pressed to the Central Government that the allocation of Rs. 50 crores for the Centrally (c) whether the Project has been financed crash programme for rural employ sanctioned; and ment is insufficient; (d) if not, the reasons for the delay ? (b) if so, the reaction of the Central Government thereto ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (c) the reasons put forward by the State SHER SINGH); (a) to (d). Hie approval of Government in this connection ? 59 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Answers 60 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE afa x m % *mj3rar«y ofovY m MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). No State Govern SRTf^ffcr *RcT ftT 17,400 apt fa« ment has expressed that the allocation of Rs. wer % farrf m m f w srrq i 50 crores for the Centrally financed crash pro *Tf W%m W fffar^T % amtsT f*R T 3fHT gramme for rural employment is insufficient. Some of the State Governments, including t 3T> fTW ijt *T «TRcT % IFRT TOTT those of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Orissa and % tffTofT irfr*r * 'W rt it ft^ rc r faraft- Haryana, have, however, suggested that allo ^fsrwr ffcRffar («fto stro cations to the State Governments and Union ^\o Territories be made with reference to the tr*To) 1 % *?t* t ^ R rw fre r (**) wr f ? («r) ^ fT, rft TOT *R»»T f ? iw n aft* t o nsrrwr $ t r t o «wtwt ^ r m (*ft wif m m fa*TT «rr i arsr tr * sr w t % 4249. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will far^nren m i n, the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state : qfonrawpr ar^rfajfon^ f, sr|^ff ^nr srn^r f w 11 (a) the State-wise demand for the sheet metal in the country in 1969-70 and 1970-71 ; sr^Rnrl^cT ff^rr » r s r T |f e ^ (b) the State-wise actual supply during tw % s^arr, frw, the same period ; 6i Written Amwers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 (c) the controlled price of sheet metal at SHAH NAWAZ KHAN): (a) By “ sheet present ; metal”, it is presumed that the Honourable Member is referring to “steel sheets”. The (d) the price at which it was sold to the demand for sheets is not available statewise. consumers in each State during 1969-70 and 1970*71 ; (b) Information is being collected and (e) whether in a number of States, the will be laid on the Table of the House, to consumers have to pay in some cases, more the extent available than double the controlled price ; and (f) if so, the steps, being taken in this (c) and (d) . There is no statutory price regard ? control on sheets ; however, the bulk of the production of the main steel plants is sold THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE at prices fixed by Joint Plant Committee, MINISTRY OF STErL AND MINES (SHRI which is given below :• Joint Plant Committee Prices (Rs. per tonne) 1.4.69 to 3112 69 1.1.1970 onwards H R. Sheets Tested (14 G & thicker) 1074 1177 C. R. Sheets Tested (14 G & thicker) 1324 1427 Galvanised Plain Sheets. 1804 1866 Note : 1) The above are base prices (b) whether Government are contempla F. O. R. Rail head station. ting any plan for proper codification and simplification of labour laws 1 2) There will be an extra of Rs. 175 per tonne in respect of THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Galvanised sheets made out REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- of Cold Rolled base metal. KAR): (a) Government do not accept the view that the existing labour laws are too (e) and ( f ) . Government is aware thatcoafusing to be utility in safeguarding the open market prices are higher than Joint interests of labour. Plant Committee’s prices, due to acute shor tage of steel. In order to ensure that consu (b) Government do not consider it prac mers get steel at reasonable prices, the distri ticable to integrate all the labour laws into bution procedure has been streamlined and a uniform code. However, the integration of tightened up. Sustained efforts are also a number of labour laws covering allied being made to increase production from the subjects is under contemplation. main Steel Plants and import of steel has been liberalised. firowrnmw sfa fw tr vnwrwt Codification and Simplification of Labour nft w it fwnf Laws to Safeguard the Interests of Labour 4251. gwft xm M fWHT 4250. SHRI BIREN DUTTA: Will theaftr wpr jfat qft f («) $ t, ?ft ^ r r q?«rr ftw nrr «f * (b) whether Government will have assessed the additional revenue that will be «rr ; required for creating more irrigation facilities for achieving the 160 million food produc (*r) s-t % sfrr^ar qrr tion ; and t o t s rrn * 't i t f ; 3 ^ (c) if so, the additional amount to achieve ( ^ ) ^TW T^ff T^rfccT »TT3T $T the irrigation target and the different project which will be speeded up ? ^ r r q f« iT ^ ^ r | gfafrsnr ^ %fotr tot n*hrr^ | ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ? m SHER SINGH): (a) Yes Sir. The Fourth i?«tw site «rw *rer«ti $ Five Year plan gives a provisional projection («fr wm m ) : (^ ) & («r). of 167 million tonnes of food grain produc f rete chtt ftoTsrrr?rw srRtwqr tion by, 1980-81 anft tft^nTTSTFTT Jf 1 1 ^ Sr ^ f f * t p » t % (b) It is provisionally estimated that in ^r?,n^r «fiTTr anrcvr s*r srro order to realise the target of agricultural ^ tt ctczr: w t i ^ *fm *FTT production the gross irrigated area will need to increase to 58 m. hectares by 1980-81. *r$f fr i The detailed programme for increasing the irrigated area in the above measure, the cost Non-Implementation of foal Mines of the programme and the manner in which Wage Board Rccommendatior.s by the resources will be mobilised have yet to Coal Mines Selling Coal to be worked out in detail. Railways 4252. SHRI N. E. HORO : Will the (c) Does not arise. Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA TION be pleased to state : Violation of Labour Laws as Reported by Railway Employees and Organisations (a) whether a large number of Coal Mines which are selling coal to the Railways 4254. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : Will are not at all implementing the recommenda the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI tion of the Coal Mines Wage Board ; and LITATION be pleased to state : (b) if so, the reaction of Government (a) whether the Railway employees and there to ? their organisations in Jaipur Division of Western Railway have reported any cases of THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND violation of Labour Acts to the Chief Labour REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADI- Commissioner (Central) in respect of Indus LKAR) : (a) and (b). Railways purchase trial Disputes Act. Payment of Wages Act coal from those coIlicrics which have secured and Minimum Wages A ct; Certificates of implementing the Wage Board’s recommendations, from the concerned Region al Labour Commissioners. This excludes (b) if so, the number of such cases the A. R. T. & Co , Assam with which the reported during 1969-70 and 1970*71 ; and Railways have a long term agreement. (c) the action taken in regard to these Food Target by 1981 complaints ? 4253. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of Agricul THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND ture be pleased to state : REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- KAR): (a) to (c ). The information ia (a) whether India’s food needs by 1981 being collected and will be placed on the will reach 160 million tonnes; Table of the House after it 1$ received, 65 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 66 Erectio n of Tobe-Welb in States by (c) water resources available due to this Centra! Ground Water Board erection ? 4255. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state : MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH): (a) and (b). As per (a) the total number of tube-wells erected statements 'A* and ‘B’ attached. by the Central Ground-Water Board in different States, State-wise ; (c) The total area likely to be benefited (b) the expenses incurred on erecting by these tubewells for irrigation is approxima these tube-wells ; State-wise ; and tely 7 lakh acres. Statement *A* Details of Exploratory Deposit wells Drilled from 1955 to March, 1971 S. No. Name of State Exploratory Deposit Total 1. Andhra Pradesh 68 — 68 2. Assam 19 2 21 3. Bihar 27 429 456 4. Gujarat 106 175 281 5. Haryana 107 9 116 6. Punjab 18 — 18 7. Kerala 5 — 5 8. Madhya Pradesh 67 22 89 9. Tamil Nadu 85 4 89 10. Maharashtra 32 23 55 11. Mysore 4 — 4 12. Rajasthan 192 316 508 13. U. P. 78 326 404 14* Orissa 33 - 33 15. West Bengal 61 65 126 16. Jammu <8r Kasnmir 9 9 *7k Delhi — 61 61 Total 911 1432 2343 67 Written Answerv JULY 8, 1971 WrittenAnswers 68 Statement Expenditure on wells from 1954-55 to 1910-71. Constructed by Central Ground Water Board. Name o f State Expenditure on Expenditure on Total Exploratory wells. Deposit wells Andhra Pradesh 24,35,016 — 24,35,016 Haryana 29,09,356 14,72,150 43,18,506 Jammu & Kashmir 11,31,617 6,03,838 17,35,455 Kerala 1,19,850 — 1,19,850 Uttar Pradesh 11,43,432 61,18,925 72,62,357 Delhi — 44,697 44,697 Madhya Pradesh 4,69,675 20,102 4,89,777 Tamil Nadu 23,78,492 76,604 24,55,096 Mahaiashtra 6,60,800 5,67,889 12,21,689 Tripura 2,405 — 2,405 Orissa 15,14,700 — 15,14,700 Punjab 14,15,671 6,97,637 21,13,308 Gujarat 17,56,072 64,09,921 81,65,993 Bihar 5,87,978 61,69,454 67,57,432 West Bengal 7,28,787 37,74,473 45,03,260 Rajasthan 35,31,490 97,22,149 1,32,53,639 Mysore 81,300 — 81,300 Assam 3,77,493 87,845 4,65,338 2,12,44,134 3,57,65,684 5,70,09,818 sfcr ijfaim m tfcmwf (*r) v n *rwrt w after *pr- «n w iw t t fr stTT srto % 'r$r# fW rvr »nwrT3 $ m m m # 4256. srawfajT : ¥TT ^ ^ «fefV irf # s*rr qrc* ft? (sr) «rft $r at t o r a rf^ r 69 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Wriuen Answers 70 r tit t i f t if^nTT fa re s r (a) -Yes. | farctfr ijfwi tfsra* grota (c) The Ganesh Flour Mill Mazdoor fo*TT *T ? Saagh is reported to have demanded take over of the Mill by Government, the Delhi v fa *f*Twr If i w *wft (*ft ire fa $ ): Administration has, however, not had any (V) 3RT 5T«P M 3n^«ff fr communication from the management indica ting their intention to close down the Mill. 3t t t si^r % ^r-q^W sfor % f® tftfacT $fsff if jgre ijfafFcr *rar fafrT^fl *tft (d) There is no such present proposal. C T T^rTr m w r *r«5 («r) ^ sf (b) whether the workers arc sitting idle 4259. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA ; Will the inside the Mill and waiting for the Mill to Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to re-start ; state the quantity of chemical fertilizers, on an average, annually needed. for agricultural (c) whether Government have received purposes in Uttar Pradesh ? and representation from the Mazdoor Union of the said Mill and whether the Management THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has also written to the Government of their MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI intention to close down the Mill ; and SHER SINGH) The average annual requirement of fertilisers (ip terms of nutrients) (d) whether Government propose to by Uttar Pradesh, during the past three years take over the said Mill and if so, when ? has been 270000 tonnes of N, 82000 tonnes of P and about 47000 tonnes of K. THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. Investment in National Coal Development Corporation KHADILKAR) : (a) According to he information made available by the Delhi 4261. SHRI V1KRAM CHAND Administration, who are concerned, 250 MAHAJAN: Will the Minister of STEEL workers were laid off by the management of AND MINES be pleased to state : Ganesh Flour Mill from March 22 to May 5, 1971. The workers ate reported since to have (a) the total investment made in been paid wages up to April 30, 1971. Wages National Coal Development Corporation Ltd., for May 1971 are yet to be paid. so far ; 71 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Answers 72 (b) the total number of employees (b) whether Government propo$e to working in the said Corporation ; and introduce Labour Welfare Rights for these workers ; (c) the total profit or loss during the last three years and the reasons thereof ? (c) if so, the rights proposed to be introduced : and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI (d) if not, the reasons therefor ? SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) The accounts for the year 1970-71 haw not yet been finalised The total invetment up 31-3-1970 was THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. about Rs. 189 crores. KHADILKAR): (a)to(d). The conditions of work of such handloom weavers as are (b) About 68,000 on 31-3-1791. employed in establishments governed by the Factories Act, 1948, are regulated by the (c) The profit or loss during the last provisions of that Act. The object of the Act three years was as follows : is to provide for the safety, health and welfare of the workers in factories and to regulate their hours of work Similarly the Year Profit/Loss Minimum Wages Act, 1948, regulates the payment of wages, hours of work, and grant of paid weekly holiday to workers governed (Rupees in lakhs) by that Act It is open to the state Govern ments to extend the coverage of the Act to 1968-69 ( + ) 121.70 Handloom industry. The State Governments of Kerala and Onssa have already done so 1969-70 (+ ) 106.42 Central Assistance for Dry Farming by Tribals 1970-71 ( - ) 42.00 in Madhya Piadesh (Provisional estimate) 4263. SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHAUHAN ■ Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to ‘tate . The main reasons for the likely loss in 1970-71 are : (a) the extent of financial help given by the Central Government to the Madhya (i) Increase in variable dearness allowance Pradesh Government for dry farming by to workers, power tariff and cost of tribals ; machinery and equipment without corresponding increase in the selling (b) whether the Members of Parliament price of coal; from Madhya Pradesh will be on the Advisory Board on Dry farming ; and (ii) Inadequate demand for coal in the first half of the year; and (c) the names of areas selected for dry farming ? (iii) Unsatisfactory transport position. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Labour Welfare Rights for Handloom Workers SHER SINGH) : Central assistance has been provided to the State Government of 4262. $HRI K. GOPAL : Will the Madhya Pradesh for implementing two Pilot Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA Projects under Dry Farming. All participating TION be pleased to state : farmers irrespective of tribals or non-tribals under these projects will be benefited. There (a) whether Government are aware ofis no scheme of dry farming for tribals handloom workers plight in the country ; specially. 73 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 74 (b) No, Sir. There is no advisory board %cfy, pr**n ^ > cr» r % fat* f r o arr with Members of Parliament as board members. (or) wr ar^f (*r) $r, eft *r fcjta t o r xvm niff if qitft «nrc fjftr apt f%cnrr far?r?Tr rrsr^r srr^ | ; W V W tftur V T m V T3TC* i w w v 3ftT & (* ) 5*«FT SfTTSrT SfSFt % fat* ?T^TR 4264. «ft g j* TO «BOTW : *TT *PT fa^TR % TOT ‘3’3T^ «FT | ? iTcft *cTT?T r 3 R *t f r : •pftr *w t w t if w Hoft f «rt 5R ftf^): («fr) ^ tt f a sr ( ^ ) ^ («r). ^ T f T iTT?mTt x m «n€t *£t jstT'aT *rfa *nt $rfa *fmr srt^ % »R^R ?T tr^r 'pt 3T T$\ I 3ftT T O fraud Unearthed by C. B. 1. in Central Arid (?j) f w f a qft *TQWTf % *R *R *TT Zone Research Institute 11 Jodhpur f«rsiTT iftsnrr (b) if so, the findings thereof ? wsrtor *nfe% fiw* OTf* ^ r«rw w (w f if) afrc THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE «q% srrar trft wmr wprrfoa MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI x m i SHER SINGH) : (a) Tbe Central Bureau of Investigation conducted a preliminary fact finding enquiry at the Central Arid Zone 4256. *ft TO WIW : WT Research Institute, Jodhpur. The allegations ^foc ^ f'rr v^t for: are subject matter of further enquiry. (b) The findings will be known only (v) vm riw ^ aw to t ijfa v» after the investigation referred to above has staw ( Dispersal of Bangla Desh Refugees Andhra Pradesh for the development of the deep*$ea Fishing Industry and also some 4267. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : proposals to get the assistance from the Food SHRI BISHWANATH and Agriculture Organisation of the United JHUNJHUNWALA : Nations ; and SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD SINGH : (b) if so, the proposal made by them and the action taken by the Government Will the Minister of LABOUR AND there on ? REHABILITATION be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether any decision has been taken MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI abodt sending the evacuees from Bangla Desh SHER SINGH): (a) and (b). The Government pouring into the border States of West Bengal, of Andhra Pradesh have drawn attention Assam and Tripura to other States ; to the need for development of deep sea fishing in the State and ha\e asked the Central Government to expedite survey of (b) if so, which States have been selected fishing harbours in Andhra Pradesh by for the purpose ; obtaining foreign and international assistance, and to conduct exploratory surveys of deep (c) whether these States have agreed to sea fishery resources. The Government of take them in ; and Andhra Pradesh have also proposed that a project on the Lines of the Indo-Norwcgian (d) whether any batch will shortly be Project at piesent functioning in Kerala, transferred from West Bengal ? Tamil Nadu and Mysore should be established m the State with Norwegian assistance. THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHAD1L- The Government of India have sanctioned KAR) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. It has been funds for preparation of a project foi a decided that to relieve pressure in West Bengal fishing harbour at Visakhapatnam. The and Tripura, some refugees should be moved Project Report is under preparation On to other States. Refugees from West Bengal receipt of the project report from the Port would be moved to the adjoining States, Trust. Visakhapatnam, the question of namely, Bihar, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh and sanctioning % fishing harbour at Visakha- Uttar Pradesh and those from Tripura to patnam will be examined. The question of Assam. providing additional fishing haibours in Andhra Pradesh has also been taken up for (c) Yes, Sir. considerations. The UNDP assisted project for Pre-Investment Survey of Fishing Harbours (d) 75,63^ refugees have already been has completed a survey of fishing harbour moved to Mana Camp in Madhya Pradesh till sites in Andhra Pradesh and thiee sites have 4th July, 1971. One tram load of refugees, been taken up for detailed consideration. carrying 1656 persons, has also mo\cd from In regard to the proposal for establishment West Bengal to Panchanpur Camp near Gaya of an Indo-Norwegian Project in Andhra in Bihar on the 1st July, 1971. Programme Pradesh the position is that the resent agree* for movement of further batchcs to these sites ment, the currency of which expires in March, has also been drawn up. 1972, does not provide for expansion of the project’s activities. The furthe programme of lndo*Norw£gin cooperation is, however, under Request from Andhra Pradesh for Aid from consideration and the requirements of Andhra F.A.O for Deep-Sea Fishing Industry Pradesh are being kept in view in this context. The unit of the Central Deep Sea 4268. SHRI K SURYANARAYANA : fishing Organisation at Visakhapatnam is Will the Miniser of AGRICULTURE be being strengthened by addition of new vessels pleased to state : to take up more extensive charting of fishing grounds using modern techniques. The (a) whether Government have receivedfeasibility of establishing a survey project any proposals from the Government of with assistance from the UNDP for survey 77 Written Answers ASADHA 17,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 78 of pelagic fisheries resources on the East Coast (c) if not, whether the review will be is also under examination. undertaken in the near future ? Setting up of Mechanised Large Scale Seed THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Farms in States MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA): (a) No sir ; 4269, SHRI H. H. MAHARAJA NARENDRA SINGH : Will the Minister (b) does not arise ; of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (c) A review is likely to be undertaken (a) whether the first mechanised large sometime towards the end of the year. How* scale Seed Farm is to be set up in Tamil ever, the progress of the work is being Nadu by the Centre ; continuously watched. (b) if so, its capacity; Hunger Strike by Employees of V S.T. Group of Companies in Bangalore (c) whether this kind of farms are to be set up in other States ; and 4271. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA (d) the States which have requested for TION be pleased to state : them ? (a) whether the employees of the V.S T. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE group of Companies in Bangalore have resor MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ted to hunger strike ; and SHER SINGH) : (a) A proposal is under consideration to set up a Central State Farm (b) if so, the reasons thereof ? in Tamil Nadu but no final decision has yet been taken. THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. (b) The farm is proposed to have an KHADILKAR) : (a) According to informa* area of 10,000 acres. tion made available by the Government of Mysore, there is no hunger strike by the (c) and (d). Such Central State Farm employees at prtscnt. already exist in Rajasthan, Haryana, Onssa. Mysore, Kerala and Mizo Hills district of (b) Does not arise. Assam. A farm is also being set up at Jullundur in Punjab. Plan for Supply of Foodstuff to Evacuees of Bangla Desh by Central State Government There are proposal to set up such farms in Bihar and plains of Assam also. No final derision has yet been taken with regard to 4272. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS these proposals as well. MUNSHI : Will the Minister of AGRICUL TURE be pleased to state: Review of Small Farmers’ Development Agencies (a) whether the rice consumed by evacuees of Bangla Desh was entirely supplied 4270. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the by Central Government or partly by Central Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to and partly by State Government ; state : (b) the latest figure of total consumption ; (a) whether the working of the Small Farmers’ Development Agencies in the (c) whether other specific things for country has been reviewed since their food, specially for he babies, were supplied inception ; by the Central Government; and (b) If so, the broad findings thereof; (d) whether any uniform plan in regard and to supply and consumption of food h4* been 79 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Answers 80 prop osed by Central Government to the State and Oceanography. These universities also Government of West Bengal ? offer facilities for doing research leading to doctorate in the subject. In addition, Uni THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE versity of Agricultural Sciences, Bangalore, MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI and the Calicut University have started under SHER SINGH) : (a) Rice is supplied from graduate level courses in fisheries. This helps the Central pool to the State Government in building up a band of qualified fishery both for their normal requirement of public scientists. distribution and for East Bengal evacuees. Some rice is also supplied from the Central FUhlng Co-operatives and Use of Fishing Pool to the Union Department of Rehabilita Boats and Gears Supplied to them tion for the East Bengal evacuees The rice received by the State Government from the 4274. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN: Central pool as also that procured by them Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be within the State is utilised both for public pleased to state : distribution (which also covers the evacuees staying in the State outside the camps) and (a) whether Government are aware that for the evacuee camps. in most of the maritine States in India, Fishing Co-operatives are often controlled by (b) The figures are being collected and Fish Merchants ; will be placed on the Table of the Sabha (b) whether Government are also aware that subsidised boats and fishing gear supplied (c) Apart from rice, wheat, mustared to Co-operatives are often used for the profits oil, pulses, sugar and salt, for babies in of fishing middlemen and traders ; and particular, milk powder and baby food is being supplied through voluntary organizations (c) if so, the steps proposed in this like Indian Red cross Society etc. regard ? (b) Yes, Sir, The Central Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have intimated to West Bengal Government MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI the scale of rations to be supplied to the SHER SINGH): (a) to (c). A Study evacuees in relief camps. Group in Fishermen's Co-operatives set up by this Ministry in 1962 had analysed the factors Research on Fisheries in Universities contributing to the unsatisfactory progress in the co-operative movement among fishermen. 4273. SHRI C JANARDHANAN :One of the reasons mentioned was "infiltra Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be tion of vested interests into co-operatives and pleased to state : diversion of funds only to selected influential members”, The report was communicated (a) whether Government have allotted to all the State Governments for suitable any subjects in Fisheries for proper research action. in any of the Indian Universities ; and Problems of co-operatives were discussed in a Conference of Chief Ministers and State (b) the reai contribution of the Indian Ministers of Cooperation in June 1968 and a Universities in the matter of developing fresh number of measures for curbing the growth of water or marine fisheries in the country ? vested interest was suggested. These recom mendations were communicated to the States THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE by the Ministry in July 1968 One important MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI measure was to make suitable amendments in SHER SINGH): (a) Yes. Five research cooperative legislation to the effect that persons schemes in fisheries are already in operation who carry on business of the type carried on at various Indian Universities. by the society should not be permitted to become members of such co-operatives. Action (b) Many of the Indian Universities offer in regard to this has already been taken by the fish and fisheries as a special subject in M.Sc. States of Andhra Pradesh. Rajasthan, Jammu and some of the universities in maritime and Kashmir, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa and States have MJSc. courses in Marine Biology Maharashtra. 81 Written Answers ASADHA 17,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 82 Data o n Fishing in Vessels of Merchant Navy Plan to help Agriculturists of Backward and Indian Navy Areas of West Bengal 4275. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 4278. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : pleased to state : (a) whether any work is done in the (a) whether Government have any pro matter of collecting necessary data for Ashing gramme and immediate plan to help agricul in the vessels of the Merchant Navy and of turists of backward areas of West Bengal ; the Indian Navy ; and (b) if so, whether Government will give (b) whether Government have submitted details of such work done so far ? any scheme to the Ministry of Irrigation and Power to arrange for Power Generation in oider to energise tube-wells or pumps for piomotion THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of agricultural irrigation in the districts of MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Coochbehar, Jalpaiguri, Maldah, West Dinaj- SHER SINGH) : (a) Data for fishing is pur and Darjeeling ; and not collectcd by the vessels of the Merchant Navy and the Indian Navy. (c) if so, the bioad features of such (b) The question does not arise. plans ? E.S.l. Benefits THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 4276. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : Will SHER SINGH) : (a) Government have no the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI special programmes to assist backward areas LITATION be pleased to state : of West Bengal. Government have, however, two schemes, viz. Small Fdimers Develop (a) whether the criticism made by the ment Agency and Marginal farmers and Indian Engineering Association about the Agricultural Labourers. benefits of Employees State Insurance being abused has been brought u the notice of the In West Bengal the Districts covered Government; under the scheme Small Faimers Develop ment Agency are (i) Darjeeling (ii) West (b) if so, whether it had been examined ; Dinajpur and (iii) Hoogly. About 6,500 to and 7,000 small farmers having holdings between 2.5 to 5 acres in Darjeeling and 50,000 such (c) the reaction of Government thereto ? farmers, each in Hoogly and Dinajpur, would be assisted with credit and other facilities THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND during the Fourth Plan period to develop their REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- minor irrigation sources and poultry and KAR): (a) Yes. animal husbandry activities. (b) Yes. The second scheme viz. M.F.A.L. is to help marginal farmers having generally holdings (c) The Indian Engineering Association below 2 5 acres and agricultural labourers to had highlighted high incidence of absenteeism take up animal husbandry, poultry and fishery especially during the periods of strikes, lock activities etc. alongside agriculture to improve outs, etc, as the workers obtained medical their income and to provide fuller employment. leave from the Employees State Insurance The scheme also provides for giving wage Doctors. A special study of high incidence of employment during the off season to agricul sickness during such* periods was conduced tural laboures. This scheme covers two by the Corporation which has adopted all districts viz. Bankura and Purellia. A sum of po&sjble administrative ranedial measures. R$ 16 lakh has been set apart for rural works Oilier Icjgisbtthe measures are under considera programme in each of these projects to M p tion of the Corporation. provide additional wage employment. 83 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Answers 84 (b) and (e). The Government of West Complaints regarding supply of Bad Bengal have submitted a feasibility report for Quality of Rice to Coochbehar setting up a 240 MW Thermal Power Station in North Bengal at an estimated cost of about 4280. SHRI B. K DASCHOWDHURY : Rs. 45. crores, at any one of the alternate Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be sites of Khejuiiaghat old Malda. pleased to state : (a) whether Government are aware that The power station will comprise of ins the Food Corporation of India supplied rice tallation of two sets of 120 MW each, annual to the people of Coochbehar in the month sabable energy being of the oider of 1033 of March and April last, which were regarded million kwh as unfit for human consumption and serious complaints were lodged against Officers of The station is intended to cater to the load the Food Corporation at Coochbehar ; demands arising from general, industrial and agricultural consumers in the districts of (b) what steps have been taken against Jalpaiguri, Darjeeling, Cooch Behar, Malda, those Officers in this regard and if not, the West Dinajpur and Murshidabad ; and to reasons therefor ; and North Bihar with which grid it will be inter connected Among other things, this will (c) whether there is any proposal to cons cater to the needs of the tubewells and pumps truct large size FC' I. godowns at Cooch also. behar and whether the office personnel will be increased to meet the local demand ? Sending of Bangla Desh Displaced Persons to Andaman and Nicobar Islands THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 4279. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). The informa Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA tion is being collected from the West Bengal BILITATION be pleased to state : Government and the Food Corporation of India and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. (a) whether Government have come to a final decision to send 50,000 Bangla Desh Rate of Interest on Employees Provident displaced persons to Andaman and Nicobar Fund group of islands as proposed earlier ; and 4281. SHRI RAM AVATAR SHAS TRI : (b) if so, how soon the same will be SHRI R P YADAV : implemented ? Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITATION be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- (a) whether a very low rate of interest KAR): (a) It is presumed that the question (i.e. 5.8. per cent) has been allowed by the refers to the new migrants from East Pakistan Employees Provident Fund Organisation on who came during the period prior to 25.3. the Provident Funds accumulations of the 1971. It is estimated that in all about 6,000 subscribers ; families (about 30,000 persons) of East Pakis tan migrants and repatriates from other coun (b) if so, the reasons thereof ; and tries can be settled in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands initially as the requisite land (c) the steps Government propose to take can be cleared. in this regard ? (b) As soon as the requisite land is cleared THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND and the infra-structure of the islands is REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K, KHAD1L- strengthened the estimated number of families KAR): The administration of the Employee** will be settled. No time schedule as such has Provident Fund is the concern of the Central been laid down for this purpose. Board of Trustees set up under the Employees’ 85 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 Provident Fu nds and Family Pension Fund snRfrpTcT ^ jfarcTsff WT Ac(, 1952 and is not the direct concern of %?flr ; |tarnrtT5 fsr% if the Government of India The Provident Fund authorities have intimated as under:- f r ^ srfw w trsi ijaff faTTTf if ?T^q- f^rfor cr«rr t e r * % 3rf («r) tot # sto f^r^f % fa n s z* if) srcrt | ; aftr trf^ %r, ?ft 3 ^ m # m sTwfaw ff««Tf& n il tot t ; aftr *w t nf *m? (*r) qrfir & tot spanr n fv m x aw fwSj % fiwrntr % (i) srr^Tf^T 1970 90.04 f6.82 *ft | ? 1971 40.59 21.63 ( * t 1971 cW) fffa if Tl»q («ft ftl|) : M ^ (*)• *rar ^ *rvnff*r (ii) 'sft’ft 1970 if ttto sro **§3 »rf <$rRvr (sr) ?t«it (*r). srer*ff$0T \ fa^TT TOT | 3fft 3Tsf^- trf, 1971 % ^ % t o W Accumulation of Rock Phosphate at Jhamar Kotra Mines in Udaipur, Rajasthan *ff titf aft* 3TTST35T ^ f a i t f TOT t 4285. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the Minis ter of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to ?? SPT, 1971 ?f3fT I state : ? ? ? w zn i % *r ft*rf?r ^ | fa (a) whether shortage of Railway wagons has affected the production of rock ^pirsrepRf % phosphate at the Jhamar Kotra mines in tiik srRfer facr ^ 2r afft Udaipur District in Rajasthan, an^fecT 'TT S^fSJ *fa mn«u m *r?ft («ft ?rc Development of Deep-sea Fishing fa ? ) : ( * ) v fifto sft®r fa r o % «tt 4286. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the 1969-70 it *tw srlw xm tit ssrn: Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to % ^rfort tftsr «pt w & tf ^ 1 1 t r j t state: ?nw ir st % toft ^ *r$f faRTOcT (a) whether Government have any schemes fa«ft | i for developing deep-sea fishing ; and *9 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 90 (b) tbe annual catches, if any, of deep-sea one vessel is required to be constructed fishing at present ? indigenously for every two vessels is imported. Two vessels imported under the scheme have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE arrived in India, and orders have been placed MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI by participants in the scheme for 11 vessels in SHER SINGH): (a) Yes Sir. Government have indigenous ship building yards. been implementing schemes for development of fishing harbours, survey of fishery resources, Proposals for establishment of deep sea introduction of medium and large fishing fishing projects, using imported and indigenous vessels and provision of subsidy for construc vessels, in collaboration with foreign parties tion of indigenous vessels. arc also under consideration. Harbours : Under the Fourth Five-Year Subsidy for indigenous fitting traw Plan, a provision of Rs. 13 50 crorcs for fishing lers : In order to promote the development harbours at major ports and Rs. 6.00 crores of deep sea fishing with indigenously manu for fishing harbours at minor ports has been factured vessels, the Government of India made. Under the first schemc, fishing har have introduced a scheme for subsidizing the bours have been sanctioned at Madras (Rs. 388. cost of indigenously manufactured steel deep 50 lacs), Bombay (Rs 474 00 lacs), Roychowk sea fishing vessels upto a limit of 27 \% of (Rs 152 lacs) and Cochin (Rs. 272.40 the c.i f. cost of equivalent imported vessels. lacs). Some of the fishing haibours at minor ports, fr.g. the harbours sanctione.1 at Tuti- (b) The landings by deep sea fishing corin (Rs. 208 lacs), Vi/hinjhom (Rs 173 lacs) vessels in the public and private sectors from and Karwar (Rs.23.82 lacs) will also be capa 1968 to 1970 are as follows : ble of handling deep sea fishing-vesscls. Facilities for deep sea fishing vessels arc already available at Kandla and a scheme for Year Landings by dt ep sea deepening the channcl at Veiaval to facilitate fishing vessels operation of larger vessels has recently been sanctioned. 1968 3645 tonnes Survey : Survey of deep sea fisheries resources is being conducted by the Deep Sea 1969 4030 tonnes Fishing Organisation at Bombay with branches at Cochin. Tuticorin and Visakhapatnam. 1970 4300 tonnes (estimated) Additional centres at Kandla, Veraval, Goa, Mangalore, Madras, Paradeep, Calcutta and Port Blair will be set up during the Fourth Progress of Inland Fisheries Five Year Plan. The fleet of survey vessels, many of which have become old, is being 4287. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the supplcmented/replaced by 20 indigenous vessels Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to of 57-ft. length, and three larger vessels of state : which one has already been imported. In addition, 18 indigenous vessels of 57-ft. length (a) the progress the inland Fisheries in being acquired by the State Governments will India have made since the end of the Second operate for survey and commercial fishing. Plan ; and The Indo Norwegian Project which operates four large vessels is actively engaged in survey (b) how much progress as reflected in of deep waters. AH these vessels will cover terms of increase in annual catches in this deep sea areas ranging from about 26 fathoms sector ? to 200 fathoms THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Import of vessels : In order to accelera- MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI te the pace of exploitation of deep sea fisheries SHER SINGH) r (a) and (b). In the Second Government are implementing a scheme for Plan, the expenditure on inland fisheries was impcrt of 30 large vessels ranging from 67 of the order of Rs 3.27 crores. In the Third ft. to 108 ft. As a condition of the scheme, Plan, an amount of Rs. 8.09 crores was spent 91 Written Answers JULY 8, 197J Written Answers 92 on s cheme for development of inland fisheries. state : The amount earmarked for the development of inland fisheries in the Fourth Plan is (a) whether Government have any Rs. 17.05 crores. The Scheme include deve scheme under consideration to introduce lopment and exploitation of reservoirs, intensi pisciculture in irrigation tanks and wells fies1 ion of fish culture, reclamation of fallow throughout the country ; and waters, development of riverine fisheries, increase in fish seed production, construction (b) if so, the main features thereof ? of nursery farms etc. The target of annual inland fish production at the end of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Fourth Plan is 8 lakh tonnes. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). There is no The annual catchcs in the inland fisheries Central scheme under consideration for intro Sector have increased from 2.80 lakh tonnes duction of fish cultuie in irrigation tanks and in 1960 to 6 93 lakh tonnes in 1969. In 1970, wells. The programme of increasing inland it is estimated that the inland fish production fish production in the State plans includes will have reached a level of about 7 lakh pisciculture in irrigation tanks and wells. tonnes. Most of the State Governments have for mulated separate schemes for development of The trend of annual inland fish production fish culture in irrigation tanks and reservoirs, from 1960 to 1970 is as indicated below : the scale of operations depending on resources available. The main activity under the pro gramme is, in essence, stocking of the irrigation tanks and reservoirs with quick growing fish Yiar Production seed In some States laige irrigation wells are (in lakh tonnes ) similarly stocked Special Nursery Centres to rear fish Seed are established for the purpose. 1960 2.80 Non-Payment of Workers* Wages by Bokaro Colliery, Bihar 1961 2 77 4289. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 1962 3.30 Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 1963 3.90 (a) whether the management of Bokare Colliery, (Bihar) are refusing to pay workers' 1964 4.60 wages for the last so many weeks from the month of May ; 1965 5.07 (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and 1966 4 77 (c) the steps taken by Government to 1967 5.37 force the management of the Bokaro colliery to pay workers’ wage dues ? 1968 6.22 THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 1969 6.93 REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- KAR): (a) There are no such complaints. 1970 (Estimated) 7.00 (b) and (c). Do not arise. Supply of Raw Materials by local petty Pisciculture in Irrigation Tanks and Wells contractors to H.E.C., Ranchi 4288. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the 4290. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR: Minister of AGRICULTURE pleased to Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be 93 Written Artswvrs ASADHA 17, 1893 [SAKA) Written Antners 94 pleased to state : v ta m m l % % fwq (a) whether at present raw materials are being supplied to the Moulding Shop or Heavy Engineering Corporation, Ranchi by 4292. smtaT «ni : w «ro aft* local petty contractor ; and gjrarffr srcrr% ftt fV : (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? i* ) srtt a r a * $ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE farfte OT?ff % MINISTRY OF STEEiL & MINES (SHRI % fatT farq 3TT SHAH NAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b). Raw ^ ifreMt * x f t | ; ark materials for Moulding Shop are being procured from twelve firms including two local ones. Orders for supplies have been (sr) *rf? fft ^fcr mm farfar given to the firms based on their capacity, % garrc ^ v v m srcr suitability of delivery dates and competitive ^ 3TT T it t ? quotations. «w aftc strata (sft arrr« fco Implementation of Employers Family Pension Scheme, 1971 WfiRPFT) : (WT) *fa55T JsTH «rftra? fafa % amra ir qrcft 4291. SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Will % vrc«r, w ro irtsr^' 3ft arfsrer the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI m arfa^ sftarfa*?’ ^ $, ^nr.ccf TATION be pleased to state : ^X f t *Tf t STT w mx f t Ilf (a) whether the Employees Family 11 Pension Scheme 1971 has been implemented m all States ; ( ^ ) fcfsr *£t fo rfr qft % f%5TT fTOJTcf % ^ P T 5 ^ f a r (b) if not, the reasons therefor ; srr 1 1 arfofoRT, fr fa % ^rrsnff (c) the names of the States who have ^ 5T3T% % (d) the names of the Industries which Transporting of Foodgrains by Road have implemented the schemc ? 4293. SHRI N. K. SANOHI : Will THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- to state : KAR): (a) to (d). The Employees’ Family Pension Scheme, 1971 has been framed under (a) whether in view of the continued Section 6 (A) of the Employees’ Piovident shortage of railway wagons for the lost three Funds and Family Pension Fund Act, 1952 years, the Government have considered the which extends to the whole of India except desirability of its own road transport arrange the State of Jammu and Kashmir. This ment for transporting foodgrains from Scheme has been brought into forcc from Haryana and Punjab to U.P., Rajasthan and 1-3*71 and it is applicable to the employees West Bengal ; and of factories and other establishments to which the said Act applies, provided they are (b) whether at present the road trans members of the Employees’ Provident Fund port is being utilized for transporting food or of Provident Funds exempted under Section grains and if so, the total expenditure in 17 of the Act. curred on this account for the last three years, 95 Written Answers JULY 8, 197! Written Answers 96 yea r-wise, and the agency through which the (b) if so, whether Government have transportation is effected ? made any attempt to recover sulphur from this mineral ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (c) the estimated extent of such mineral SHER SINGH): (a) Movement of food- in the area ? grains by road is being done to supplement movement by rail during the peak procurement THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE period to achieve maximum possible clearance. MINISrRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI The Food Corporation of Ind*a, after examin SHAH NAWAZ KHAN) : (a) During ing the feasibility of having its own transport investigations conducted by the Geological organisation has found that such an arrange Survey of India m the Wyanad area for gold, ment would not be financially viable. How occurrence of pyrite (iron sulphide) was ever, transporting of grains using the tiucks noticed monly as disseminations and less of the Central Road Transport Corporation commonly as veinlets and stringers in the and the private operators from Haryana to Harewood and Alpha-Victoria Mines. Delhi in the fir»t instance and to Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan later, is under consi (b) Further investigations for pyrite weie deration. Movement of foodgrains by road not undcrt.iken in the Wvan.ad area as the to West Bengal does not appear feasible sulphide mineralisation was sporadic and because of the long distance involved and the patchy in nature possible road hazards. (c) Does not arise. (b) Private road transport is being utilised for transporting foodgrains from Appointment of Consultancy Firms for the Haryana to Delhi. New Steel Plants The trucks are being arranged by the 4295. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Government of Haryana through the local Will the Minister of STEFL AND MINES truck unions. The total quantity transported be pleased to state : and expenditure incurred year-wise is as under (a) whether consultancy firms have been appointed for (i) the proposed new steel plants at Visakhapatnam, Hospet and Salem ; (u) Bhilai and Bokaro expansion projects, and (iii) Durga- Total road trans- pur Alloy Steel Plant expansion project ; Year Qnty. in MT port charges (in R s) (b) if so, the names of the firms con cerned ; and 1968-69 23,881 2,46,896.00 (c) what proportion of the consultancy work involved is going to be done by the 1969-70 39,684 7,57,448.00 Central Engineering and Design Bureau ? 1970-71 57,225 10,50,680 00 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAH NAWAZ KHAN): (a) to (c) The Central Engineering and Design Bureau Deposits of Sulphur Pyrites in Kerala (CEDB) of Hindustan Steel Limited have been appointed as Consultants for the prepaiatioq 4294. SHRI C. K CHANDRAPPAN of the Techno-economic Feasibility Report on Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be the Hospet Steel Project. For the other two plsased to state : new steel projects at Visakhapatnam and Salem, M/S. M. N Dastur & Co. (P) Ltd, (a) whether the deports of sulphur (Dasturco) have been appointed as Consultants Pyrites occur in Vayanad area of Kerala ; for preparation of the Techno-economic Feasibility Reports. 97 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Ans vers 98 While the Centra! Engineering and Design Construction of Godowns in Manipur Bureau of Hindustan Steel Ltd. have been appointed as Principal Consultants for the 4297 SHRI N. TOMB! SINGH : Will second stage of Bokaro, it is proposed to the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased continue the association of M/S. Dastur and to state : Co. in the second stage in regard to areas and responsibilities similar to those entrusted to (a) whether the entire procured paddy them in the first stage. in Manipur during the last harvest has been kept in Government godowns ; For ibe expansion programmes of HSL Plants, viz., Bhilai Steel Plant and the Alloy (b) if so, whether the stocking c'picities Steels Plant at Durgapur, the CEDB are the of the godowns are being exceeded oi already Consultants. exceeded ; Charting and Mapping of Sea Bed Inwadgc (c) the location of the godowns with Bank and Pedro Bank their capacities and the dates of construction ; 42^6. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : (d) whether the Government of Manipur Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be is considering construction of more godowns ; pleased to state : and (a) whether Government have completed (e) if so, where and when such cons the charting and mapping of sea bottoms in tructions are taking place ? the Wadge Bank and Pedro Bank ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether in recent years any prawn MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI rich fishing banks have been located in the SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. Bay of Bengal off the Coast of Andhra Pradesh ; and (b) No, Sir. (c) the estimated landings from the Wadge and Pedro Banks during the last (c) A statement showing the location of three years ? the godowns with their capacities and year of construction is attached. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (d) and (e). Two godowns with a capacity SHER SINGH) : (a) Exploratory surveys of 500 M. T. and 5000 M. T. are already of Wadge Bank and Pedro Bank have been under construction by the Government of conducted by several agencies. The earliest Manipur and Food Corporation of India at surveys were by the Government of Madras Tamenglong Headquarters and Sangaiprou (1908, 1916, 1926, and 1927) and University (Imphal) respectively. Construction of more of Travancore (1949-50). The Off&hore godowns with a total capacity of 4,600 M. T. f ishing Station of the Government of India at different places in the hill districts is under and the Indo-Norwegian Project have con consideration of the Government of Manipur. ducted some surveys in recent years, It has not been possible to complete the charting of Statement the entire banks so far. Location, capacity anJ year of construction of godowns in the Union Territory of (b) Prawn catches from the Andhra Manipur Coast have increased from 3871 tonnes in 1965 to 6881 tonnes in 1970, but grounds with a high percentage of prawn as on the South Location of Capacity Year of West Coast have not so far been located off Godowns (in M. Tonnes) construction tlie coast of Atidhra Pradesh,. " V______. - - (c) Separate records of the landings from the Pedro and Wadge Banks are not avail* Koircngel 7,500 1958 able. 99 Written Answers JULY 3, 1971 Written Answsrs 100 1 2 3 have opened Branches of the Employment Exchange in all the District Headquarters of Manipur ; Sangaiprou 6.000 1967-68 (b) if so, when and the additional staff Bishenpur 1,000 1970-71 required as a result of the new step ; Thoubal 1,000 1970-71 (c) whether the opening of the new branches have shown better results in the field Churchandpur 500 1970 of employment ; and Jiribam 1,000 1971 (d) if not, whether Government are considering steps for extension of registration facilities to the tribal areas of Manipur ? Experiments in High Yielding Variety of Paddy in Manipur THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 4298. SHRI N TOMBI SINGH : Will REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased KAR) : (a) to (d). The information is to state : being collected and will be placcd on the Table of the House. (a) the high-yielding varieties of paddy experimented in Manipur and the names of Fish received from Norwegian Red Cross such varieties found suitable in Manipur; for Bangla Desh Refugees (b) whether Government have taken up 4300. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- steps to produce the suitable varieties in large JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of quantities; and LABOUR AND REHABILITATION be pleased to state : (c) if so, the steps taken ? (a) whether nearly 100 tonnes of cod THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fish has been received from the Norwegian MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Red Cross Society for Bangla Desh refugees ; SHER SINGH): (a) Both IR. 8 and ‘Jaya’ which were tried have been found suitable. (b) whether Government have not been able to distribute this fUh to the refugees in (b) Yes, Sir. view of the prevailing cholera ; (c) Against the anticipated coverage of (c) whether Government have intimated 8.090 hectares under high-yielding varieties of all foreign countries the nature of assistance rico during 1970-71, a target of 12,140 hectares that will be required ; and has been fixed for 1971-72. Besides, arrange ments have been made for seed multiplication (d) how Government have disposed of and trials of newly released varieties like the 100 tonnes of cod fish ? ‘Pankaj’. ‘Jagannath’, 'Bala*, ‘Jamuna’ and Sabarmati at departmental farms/stations at THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND different altitudes under different agro-ciimatic REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- conditions. KAR): (a) Ves, Sir. The entire quantity was consigned to Indian Red Cross Society, Opening of Branches of Employment West Bengal Branch, Calcutta. Exchanges in District Headquarters of Manipur (b) The entire consignment has been distributed in the States of Assam (except 4299, SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH : Will Cachar District), Meghalaya, Tripura and in the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI the Cooch Behar District of West Bengal TATION be pleased to state ; where there was no out-break of cholera or where then was no apprehension of cholera (a) whether Government of Manipur out-break. 101 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 102 (c) Yes, Sir. 2. intensive Cotton Disttict Pro gramme : (d) As in (b) above. The Union Department of Agriculture has sanctioned a new scheme for intensive Scheme for break through in Cotton Production as evolved by Indian Agriculture cotton district programme on the lines of the Research Institute IADP programme with a total outlay of Rs. 14 74 crores during the Fourth Plan 4301. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN-period. This programme would extend to 6 JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of AGRI districts in the irrigated cotton belt in five CULTURE be pleased to state : States having compact and sizeable area. In these Districts every effort will be made to (a) the progress made in implement a popularise package of practices alreadv found scheme evolved by the Diiector General, useful for increasing cotton. A ramfed cotton Indian Agriculture Research Institute to area of 20,000 hectares will be taken up on a achieve a break-through in cotton production pilot basis in each of the seven districts selec in the country ; ted under this programme. Suitable incen tives like subsidy on certified seeds, pesticides (b) whether plans for 1971-72 have been and fertilizers have already been provided in finalised under the above scheme ; and this project. 3 Strergthening of cotton research (c) if so, the details thereof and if no : scheme has been finalised so far, the reasons Proposals for further strengthening the for the delay ? already existing All-India Coordinated Cotton Improvement Project which have been drawn THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE up at a cost of Rs. 18 75 lakhs during the MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI periods from 1971-72 to 1973-74 are under SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). consideration of the Council. 1. The Strategy : Authorisation by F.A O to obtain Food Supplies for Refugees of East Bengal The strategy for increasing cotton pro duction evolved by the Director, Indian Agri 4302 SHRI S. M KRISHNA : culture Research Institute, New Delhi consists SHRI N1HAR LASKAR : of three parts ; (i) taking up of pilot studies, similar to the national demonstrations which Will the Minister of LABOUR AND were organised for the food crops, based on REHABILITATION be pleased to state : new findings in cotton, (ii) an intensive agri cultural district programme to be taken up (a) whether Food and Agriculture in important and selected districts in each of Organisation has authorised India to obtain the principal cotton growing States as was food supplies for distribution to the East done in the case of foodgrains, (tii) further Bengal refugees ; strengthening of cotton research for working out agro and crop protection techniques for (b) if so, the total quantity of food realising high yields from the newly developed supplied by them ; and varieties. (c) how far it will be sufficient ? t 2. Action taken: THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 1. Pilot Studies -.—Pilot Studies withREHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1L- promising high yielding, high spinning varie KAR): (a) The Director General, Food and ties of cot'on have been taken up at twenty- Agriculture Organisation has authorised the six centres in the Northern, Central and World Food Programme to supply 6250 MT Southern cotton growing zones of the country Milk Fowder, 1350 MT edible oils and 200 during the yea 1971-72 under the All-India MT pulses from their emergence Budget for C oordinated Cotton Improvement Project. distribution among the East Bengal refugees. 103 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Answers J04 (b) (1) Milk powder ... 1750 MT (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and (ii) Edible oils ... 811 MT (c) the steps taken by Government in the matter ? (iii) Pulses ... 200 MT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) These quantities will meet only a MINISTRY OF STEEL & MINES (SHRI fraction of our requirements for the refugees. SHAH NAWAZ KHAN): (a) to (c). Town- The rest of our requirements arc being met s.hip maintenance funds are meant to be used from indigenous stocks and assistance received for maintenance of assets in the township and from foreign Governments and other inter cannot be used for welfare work of employees. national organisations. Funds are separately allocated, from time to time, for welfare of employees. Both the funds have been adequately utilised in the Implementation of D.A. linking of workers past three years. of HEC, Ranchi 4303. SHRI B. N. REDDY : Will the Registered Labour Unions In Tripura Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state : 4305. SHRI BIREN DUTTA : Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA (a) whether the management of Heavy TION be pleased to state : Engineering Corporation, Ranchi have not implemented the D. A. linking of the wotkers, (a) whether Government are aware that which they had agreed to implement in an Labour Department of Tripura Administra agreement in 1968 with the recognised union ; tion have got very small number of Registered and Unions ; (b) if so, the steps taken by Government (b) the number of Registered Unions in to implement the same ? Tripura ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the number of workers under these MINISTRY OF STEEL & MINES (SHRI Unions, category*wis>e ? SHAH NAWAZ KHAN): (a) Presumably, this refers to the recent differences between THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND the managemen’ and the recognised union of REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1L- Heavy Engineering Corporation, regarding KAR) ; (a) to (c). According to information interpretation of the clause relating to payment made available by the Tripura Administration of dearness allowances, in the Agreement there are 39 registered trade unions in Tripura re&ched in November, 1969. These differences with reported membership as follows : have since been amicably settled through direct negotiations. Industry No of union members (b) Does not arise. Utilization of Township maintenance Fund 1. Tea 5,516 by Management of H E C , Ran chi 2. Electricity 286 3. 4304 SHRI D1NEN BHATTACHARY- Transport 2,537 YA : Will the Minister of STEEL AND 4. Commerce 692 MINES be pleased to state : 5. Petroleum 224 (a) whether Township maintenance fund 6. Wood 316 has not been spent by the management of 7. Municipality 253 Heavy Engineering Corporation, Randhi during the last three years, on the welfare work of 8. Others 1,334 the employees; 105 Written Answers ASADHA 17,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 106 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 4 3 0 & tr« ntfas* w m ftB tfro r: «ftt SHER SINGH): The Central Government have initiated a comprehensive scheme for OTW aft* T O ifeft q-f ^cT1% f^T *T*t studying the cost of cultivation of principal f a : crops in different States in the countiy. The implementation of this scheme in Bihar has been entrusted lo the Rajendra Agricultural (ap) ?R^R % Smft *f *T (*?) ?f, ?ft s*r ?rr^ *r arar zw wm a m ?rfanlf s m * ^ t% 5T*)fcr g f I 3ftr f ^ f w 3TTSTR «TT W ft «nfc £«rf if fawrf g$ ?t r t fa^ia^r arrrwr ft sn%rr ? % fwtT TOrero v ^ ’TT aft* T O 5f ^T55r ’Reft 4308. «ft 3ro«*T«r f*?«r: n m v f a ^ («ft wi|f *rarar g f ) : (*p) w t i t e STcTT^- spt SRT ^ V t % : sw r % srmt % *risram 3r m^c STgrf 3T«T^T ?rf^T> afq^T ^q- fa£) r f s m g'TTT * 3TT% 97% t fotr srrcf**w w i m snrj^r fo*TT f i arvft UTfa 1 f 3Tt % ^ ^TUT* 3F% (*j) I9C0 *£RrriPTipj*ft *Ft q?F%fT (?sr) «ptt sr^ %cf % fwr ftn n 1 3 ^ arftrrr q .R % fa q a rsw rr- f'rsiTf 5 ? ^ ? ^ flfsruTaff spy s w «tt s ta 1 1 artft ?re> fatft sft sppk Ht ?rm 15 3Fl% 5RT rT^r 3^%cT f3Tf facprms wr?r % i f f arrf | *rfa?r spfcm SRT^- f*«rfa *f % J ftm m sif wr nrn^m gm 11 (*T ) ERT ? T ^ tir 3T«r CRT ^ ftR T ’ff a 3p%qr^ anfft sm f«H f 3T3RSTT *T | , *mr| ; sftr am: 3T*ft ^ ?T$' ^ T 3TT TOTT | fa tJT^ Epr ^rretr gtnr 3r«r^rr ^ aft* (^) ft, ?ft wr ^ fair »rtr i3r?T«mr ^ t ^ ^ % m « r R q r STS* w t |3TT eft *1% 5T|t ^ r 3JT STeTT | % ^ «P?r ?T*P §>TT I ir$f *r TO ft ft ? Study of Cost of Production of Sugarcanc ipfe narrs* % x m («r> m by Rajendra Agriculture University, Bihar T*%) : (sp) qftr sc$t*p % fetT ^art iFrprr | eft ar^ ?mr 4307. SHRI N. K. S1NHA : Will the *pt ^fam sfr % of^?T 5T5ft spt Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to stale whether Government propose to T O 6 sR te f aft ansRXT^m $ tit I entrust Rqjendra Agriculture University, ?n^Tf ^ 3? ^«tw5st ^f?m?r sw % Bihar to assess the cost of pioduction of sugarcane per acre in Bihar as entrusted to 8T5*nf?m stspt ^»r % ftw rl ^ ^ r t a f f other Universities in the country ? % jjw m % « r 107 Written Answers JULY 8,1971 Written Answers 108 8 srf?r*rar ?r>refrr) % foiT ^ qzjfcr sroaftTjswhf («f> snte *o t » w iff5 w r ) * (*p) ^ (^r). ai^sPRf 3fT T g t I afhc tn T T W T ^ ^ (sr) fsrt 3fK ^ p » rt % faqfar $ t ?rsr q r ^ 5?t «TRT*ft i aftr »T3rTi?r % srf*TR wn f*r & mar fa^qr?f n taftf . at fK o »imwi % jriwrfoft srrerfatftar sunrt % arf^q, fart afk v m \ f w r *T *n % TRVT *f> ?? t^t ^ W T O W TOT % farr srfaffnr sRTcJT ^rr 11 4310. swt srfcr ^ «y»nnr 1.7 ^rf artr l fW W I 9 R w i t ^TT% «ptFTT *T9?Vtft f^TflW ff>W 3fT TfT ^ I WR5t f t a r r ^ ’SRrf^mrr ^ R T s p ft *f t % (*> ) W i T Z a ftr 58TT* S5TT5HT ^ ^ *ft«p>r Sr arot 5T|cr % w i 3^«rrzft v*N rfoft ¥V ?rror (*r) a fa ^ ) *rfa*T *J5^I*W ^ sraW 3TT T^r 11 ^f^TcT (»r) 1 % ^ ^ h r T f r srt ^ r ^ 3R? to m % feq arrqwP ?r srPsr^ arafar c t f ^ *w w w i * jjifanfart rvnift ^TriT («r) ^ft ^ N rV ?ft?r m % srfiRf ST'Sffil ?Rr %3TT T T W% ^ *IR% 4309 «ft g w w * w&tm tot *m % XT * R J R T TOT Wrr*r«TT^ ^ * t f | ? aitr 3*rafa *n ft ^ «rar% ^ $qr *R *r f a : I?«rm ?wr t o **iw * ^ tito ii«ft («ft «WT«rt o ) sr^fsfTcT q;*RT w - (*fr) 5*r ^ t% *r^rrwq- ir f?y f^rHfefgRT f^aRW % i t *r | % — fapcT% 3WT«ft ^R-^TRt *R T| t , ( *f) »r?rcfta snrf *r fa»?r?r t o ftr o w f t ^ tf^ r fa q ift | , ( *0 ^ tfSZTT fsftpft | (^?) 80 48 f^FT^V fcsT arsrfij ^ r aPT srfsR? | (rn) Plant Breeders to Raise Output of Cereals (a) whether the Trar'e Employees Asso ciation of New Delhi has approached for 4311. SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD amending the Minimum Wages Act so that SINGH : the employees of the Association are benefited ; SHRI Z. M. KAHANDOLE : and Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE (b) if so, the reaction thereto ? be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (a) whether the Union Government have REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- urged the plant breeders to raise cereal out KAR): (a) and (b). The New Delhi Trade put ; Employees’ Association and some other unions had represented for an upward revision of the wage fixed under the Minimum Wages (b) if so, whether the material developed Act for employment in shops and commercial in India, particularly the composition of maize establishments. The Delhi Administration, and hybrid of forghum and pearl millet, had who are concerned, have constituted an been framed to do very well in Latin Advisory Committee for reviewing the whole Amcrica ; and matter. (c) if so, the steps taken to increase its Return of Refugees from Meghalaya to production so that foreign market is cap West Bengal tured ? 4313. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI TION be pleased to state : SHER SINGH): (a) The Indian Council of Agricultural Research has organised plant (a) whether the attention of the Govern breeding programmes on a country-wide basis ment has been drawn to the report published to raise the production of cereals. The on the 11th June, i971 in Hindus'an Standard research work has been planned in the form of Calcutta in which it has been stated that of All-India Coordinated Projects. Plant 6,000 evacuees fiom relief camps in Balat breeders employed in these projects, have arta of Meghalaya returned to Sunamganj been asked to develop high yielding varieties sub-division of Bangla Desh due to extremely of various cereal crops. hostile behaviour of the local people ; and (b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ? (b) A number of hybrid and composite varieties have been developed in maize, THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND millets and sorghum. Some of these varieties REHABILITATION (SHRI R, K. KHADIL- have done well in Latin American countries KAR): (a) and (b) The Government of also. They are being tested further. Meghalaya have reported that upto 30th June, 1971, 1,205 evacuees had left Balat area for (c) The success of Indian varieties in East Bengal voluntarily due to epidemic scare other countries is not linked with the increase caused by gastro-enteritis. No instance of in the production of those varieties in India persons leaving on account of hostile attitude for foreign market. The Indian Council of of local people has come to the notice of Agricultural Research takes into consideration Government. the requirement of foreign markets in organ* ising its research programme. Camps set up f >r Bangla Desh Refugees In S ates Amendment of Minimum Wages Act to 4314. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Ore benefit of Trade Employees Association of New Delhi SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 4312. SHRI G. VENKATSWAMY : Will REHABILITATION be pleased to state : the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI TATION be pleased to state ; (a) the number of Bangla Desh refugee Ill Written Answers JULY $, 1971 Written Answers 112 camps set up in West Bengal, Assam, pertaining to the mine are being executed Meghalaya and Tripura ; departmental^. However, because Of the limitations of the existing staff and in order (b) the number of camps constructed to avoid additional recruitment of staff outside these States for giving temporary temporarily at the construction stage, which shelter to the refugees ; cannot be continued during he production stage, some of the works pertaining to the (c) the number of refugees removed to mine like fabrication and design at the Khetri Mana and other camps in the adjoining Copper Project have been let out on contract, area ; and keeping in view tl e tight time schedule. The Project au'horities are al*o ensuring that (d) the places where these camps have available departmenial capacity is fully been set up and the number of persons utilised. sheltered therein and the number of Govern ment employees engaged for the purpose of administration of these camps ? Assignment of Mining Development and Shaft Sinking Works to Private Contractors at Khetri Ccpi or Prtjict THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 4316. SHRI ESWARA RFDDY : Will KAR) : (a) At present more than 1100 the Minister of SrLIIL AND MINFS be relief camps/reception centres are functioning pleased to state : and these are being incieased in accordance with actual requirements. (a) wheti'er mining development and (b) to (d). Apart from the new campsshaft sinking works at Khetri Copper Project set up in the adjoining areas of Mana, have been given to pi ivate contractors, while another Central Camp has been set up at the departmental mining engineers are quite Panchanpur, near Gaya. Uplo 4-7-1971. 75,639 competent to do this work : and persons were moved to the new camp> near Mana and one train load of refugees cat rying (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 1656 persons was moved to Panchanpur from West Bengal on the 1st July, 1971. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI Although staffing pattern for Central SHAH NAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b). Camps has been approved, full complement Mine development work at the Khetri Copper of staff is not >et in position Some are in Project is being done departmentally. As the process of being posted. regards shaft sinking, 4 shafts are currently being sunk at Khetri and Kolihan Mines. Out Assignment of Fabrication and Designing Work of these, 3 shafts ate being sunk depart to Contractors at Khetri Copper Projcct mental^ and available personnel and equipments are fully utilised for execution of 4315. SHRI ESWARA REDDY : Will this work. Sinking of one of the shafts has the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be been given on contract because of the tight pleased to state : time schedule. (a) whether minor works like fabrication and designing at Khetri Copper Project have Export of Sugar Du log 1971 been given to contractors, though the projcct has got well* equipped fabrication and designing 4317. SHRI K. C. PANDEY : Will the departments with competent young engineers ; Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to and stale : (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? (a) the quantity of sugar exported during THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the period from the 1st January to 30th June, MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 1971 and the names of the countries to which SHAH NAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b) To exported ; the extent Khetri Copper Project’s Fabrication and Design Departments are equipped, works (b) the foreign exchange earned ; and 113 Written Answers ASADHA {7. 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 114 (c) how the export or Indian sugar (b) if so* when the scheme would be compares with other exporters and the given a practical shape ? prospects of future export ? THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI KAR): (a) There is no general scheme SHER SINGH): (a) The information is as for setting up Holiday Homes for industrial under : workers in public sector undertaking?. However, the Ministry of Railways and the Posts and Telegraphs Department have set up Countries Quantity exported such Homes as a staff welfare measuie for from 1-1-1971 to their employees. Holiday Homes have also 30-6-1971 (tonnes) been set up under the Coal and Iron Ore Mines Labour Welfare Funds. (b) Does not arise. 1. U K. (N P.Q.) 19,912 2. U SA . 56,313 3. Canada 40,601 4319. Jfa'V ^ % : 4. Ceylon 55,354 5. South Vietnam 19,661 *r wfe g£ | ; 1,91,841 ( ^ ) *rr ^ *ftm forc »rcn «n ? (=nr) » w f % foft srftsr *ft ft t*ft itfft *r.Tftaft snrtt ftwpfV | ; 3ftT v p m m o re ftatsra ft ttot *fcft (*ft 5TJI5 awrw w n ) : («r) aflr (^) • («r) w tr ^ tt arr fa^R ^r ft sfa spf 1970-71 ft ^r aft «ft qTff ?ft *ft sfa: ftT^ft|7 aftr arfgr ST^ST 3Ts7*rT 3T5T^«T F«T ft a ftf VtTT ^ ^ft ?*nfqpr **ft * t | ? f^T m i an^rfar^ afteftfw vpt^x f3RT fasft % ^TTpT $FRQrT«ft % q R *jfft to tw ? ?f *refl «sft (jhftqg) arqft arra* #srft % fatr ^arcf^r «ft i (*) q?si i 1970-71 ft TT^TTJT afartfft* (sr) ffft farearfftsrTsrot % ¥r^z^> ^PT^fr qft ftw % fw f t »rf s r r a f a w $ fa ^ f a r s r r ^ frfcr tf*frpr § i qsrrsrcrc WTWtft aft $ 3frc sr*rr frfa fansrrfts, 3pft?yT (*TgRr*f ) $ q v ^ qr?w q* t*j s t snftaft i fawfrom I, frra% ?rar2*r yfa q^rftrerTfnft % srRrfwr jt^t- fft?rT?wr 11 tar ft yfa ftrafam w ^«rr*fr qr fftr frofrow r fro 4321. «To « w l w w «Tii : *rar vfa t m r ^r% ’TfTf^rT^ft «ft Jftft «r$ aRTTft *ft f^TT apfft far : sisqT f%^r s m r | :— w w vfft H^rfftirrefiTf «ft w jtn 1. sr w yf«r f r yarfrfrrenr, yrh^nr (ar^nr) 2. 3?FW 5T%t?T yf«sr fftiarfireTBaT, j^w w (after sr^ir) 3. tx ¥ sff«r fvprfftin^r, 13-^ra^rc fty , qs^TT (ftrfir) 4. siarrfjT ftf^ fpf«r favrfftvTW, 3rw5T (»r« sr?t«r) 5 h^ tt ^ wfa fwvrfto, « (^ R T TTg'fV, fST55T ) 117 Written Answers ASADHA 17,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 118 6. 7. ftwH fowf«w*r, 9 wMT^rarnr Farrar?, 11 Sr?r, m^r&rw, *»TS?k-3 (#$r) 8 . T 3 $ m er«rT sfW rf3T=F f a ir a f a fr r a ir , 9. c f^ spfa r^faRrT^, gftpTT(qSTR) 10. ffTiTTWT apfa fiwfiKITtra, f^TR (ffworr) 11. farerfasrrwT, 3 ^ ^ (w i h ) 12. sr& r^fa fa re fa srr^ , w r , fa?sr ^^torrs* (^ rR si^r) 13. 4>VIT®ft f ^ d W ^ , 3To ffRT ^rfanrr (qfiRw #«t w ) 14. 15. ^ fawPwrw , gpgtf, fw*T (% r^) (n ) &r m fa * sr^r t ^ r fa 3?r wmm *nrr % 15 fa**. «rtrar 377011 fatfTWT WTftRT fa% *T f I 5aRT?r WtVTZ % TT3RT If Steps to check Wasteful Fishing SHER SINGH): (a) The Central Deep Sea Fishing Organisation is making arrange 4322. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : Will ments to relay information to the commercial the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleaded fleet regarding grounds where large stocks of to State : fish arc located by exploratory vessels. A system of dissemination of information from (a) whether by using wrong kind of nets, ship to ship direct and also from ship to considerable quantities of immature fish are shore is being worked out. The present loaded to the detriment of fishing in coming arrangement is to circulate information on seasons ; and the state of fishing grounds through periodical brochures. (b) the steps proposed to check this ? (b) Coastal Radio Stations of A.I.R. at THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Kandla, Bombay, Ratnagiri on the West MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Coast and at Tuticorin, Madras, Vizag and SHER SINGH) : (a) Varied types of gear, Calcutta on the East Coast broadcast daily used both for inland and marine fishing, information on the weather and sea conditions. capture appreciable quantities of small sized Post and Telegraphs Radio Stations broadcast fish in the process of fishing. Some of the this information six times every day in un small sized fish so caught arc juveniles of certain weather. spectes which would in the normal course have been available later in adult size. Exploitation of Sea-Weeds (b) Regulation of mesh or prohibition of fishing is resorted to in case of apprehension 4324. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : Will of depletion of stocks. Many of the State the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased Governments and Union Territories have to state : enacted legislation empowering them to regulate inesh of nets and to prohibit fishing (a) the quantum of woik, if any, done Mesh size of nets permitted to be used is oi being carried on in rcspect of exploitation prescribed in detailed regulations covering of sea-weeds ; specific areas. Destructive methods of fishing for example, fishing with explosives is prohi (b) A-hether Government have made bited. Some States have declared a closed any detailed survey of the availability of season for fishing in the rivers and reservoirs useful sea weeds in Indian wateis ; and during the breeding season. (c) if so, the results thereof ? Arrangement for despatch of Information about Fish Shoals, Tempest etc. to Fishing THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Vessels out in the Sea MINISTRY ‘OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH) : (a) to the following results : Crash Programme for Rural Employment to west Bengal _ u . . . 4325. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will Sea-weed Fresh weight m m e ln c (he Minis((.r of AGRICULTURE be pleated (a) whether any spccial scheme has been Agarophytes 1965 1966 prepared under crash programme for the removal of rural unemployment in West Agarophytes 233.15 47.92 Bengal; and Alginophyles 161.83 173.43 (b) if so, the main features thereof ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Edible algae 188.84 245.91 MlNlSrRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHER SINGH): (a) and (b). The Govern Other algae 457.87 398.51 ment of West Bengal have so far forwarded proposals under the Crash Scheme for Rural Total 1041.69 865.77 Employment in respcct of eight districts in the Slate. The proposals which include work projects for soil conservation, minor irrigation, In the Surveys carried out on the Gujarat roads, etc. with a cost of Rs. 62.70 lakhs Coast 60 mt tons of fresh Sargassums have have been removed by the Central been estimated in 0 015 sq. km. area of the Government. Adatra reef near Okha. The presence of 18,765.5 mt. tons of fresh sea-weeds in the The State Government have also formu Gulf of Kutch in an area of 10 65 sq km. lated a self-employment scheme under which has been revealed by recent surveys It is a mechanic and a fitter are to be employed estimated that about 4,000 mt. tons of fresh in the Tubcwells Divisions for carrying out Sargassum weed can be harvested annually repairs. Expenditure on this staff is proposed from the Gulf of Kutch. to be met out of the funds for the Crash §chemefor Rural Employment. It is contemp lated that (he staff will learn the job as they The Central Marine Fisheries Research work and by the time the crash programme Institute has evolved techniques for manufac comes to an end they will have their skills to ture of agar-agar, Alginic acid, and Alginates fall back upon for earning A living through of Sodium and Calcium. self-employment. This scheme & under consi deration of the Gentral Government. Research in sea-weeds is also being carried out by the Central Salt and Marine Chemicals Research Institute, Bhavnagar. Nationalisation of JWbeat Trade 4326. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will The Indian Council of Agricultural the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased Research has under active consideration a to s»atc : scheme for a comprehensive survey by the two Institutes of the sea-weed resources off the (a) whether hi* attention has been drawn Tamil Nadu Coast. The main objective of to a rccent decision of the Punjab Government this survey is to estimate the standing crop of to go in for complete nationalisation of wheat agar and algin yielding sca-weeds and other trade in the State ; sea-weeds of economic importance and for classifying the pioducthe areas in relation to (b) if so, the details of that decision the density of the weed. and his reaction to the same ; Some private firms in Gujarat and Tamil (c) whether Government are considering Nadu have taken up commercial manufacture to ask the State Governments' to take steps of agar-agar and alginic acid Small quantities for nationalisation of the wholesale Trade in Of agarophytes are Also exported. foodgrains ; and 123 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Answers 124 (d) if not, he reasons therefor ? Consumption of Sugar and Sugar Mills fai Public/Private Sectors THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4327. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased SHER SINGH) : (a) The Punjab Govern to state: ment have not taken any decision to completely nationalise wheat trade in the (a) the State-wise number of sugar mills State. in the Public Sector and Private Sector ; and (b) Does not arise. (b) the State-wise consumption of sugar at present ? (c) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) Government are carrying on a MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI considerable volume of wholesale trade in SHER SINGH) : (a) Statement I giving major foodgrains through public agencies. the Stale-wise number of sugar mills in Public Complete take over of the wholesale trade of and Private sectors is attached. all foodgrains is not contemplated at present as the procurement and distribution carried (b) Precise information regarding the out through public agcncies have helped to State-wise consumption of sugar is not stabilise the prices and regulate trade. available. Attached Statement II gives the Moreover complete take over of wholesale State-wise quantity of sugar that had moved trade will require an elaborate organisation directly from sugar factories during the and huge finances. months of October 1970 to January 1971. Statement 1 S. No. State Total number of installed sugar factories Public Sector Private Sector State-owned/State-managed Joint Stock/Cooperative 1. Uttar Pradesh — 71 2. Bihar 1 29 3. Punjab — 6 4. Haryana — 3 5. West Bengal — 2 6. Assam - 1 7. Nagaland — — 8. Rajasthan 1 2 9. Madhya Pradesh — 5 10. Orissa — 2 11. Maharashtra — 42 12. Gitfarat — 7 13. Tamil Nadu — 16 14. Mysore 1 10 15. Pondicherry — 1 16. Andhra Pradesh 1 18 17. Kerala — 3 125 Written Anwers ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 Statement U (Figures in *000 tonnes) State Oct. 70 Nov. 70 Dec. 70 Jan. 71 1. Andhra 17 19 18 15 2. Assam/NEFA 9 10 7 8 3 Bihar 22 18 15 14 4. Gujarat 29 22 25 25 5. Maharashtra 76 62 64 53 6. Kerala 7 9 7 9 7. Madhya Pradesh 14 13 13 13 8. Tamil Nadu 19 20 19 18 9. Mysore 15 16 19 17 10. Orissa 6 7 5 5 11’ Put\jab 24 20 20 21 12. Haryana 10 9 7 8 13. Rajasthan 14 13 12 9 14. U.P. 54 39 33 26 15. West Bengal 29 32 23 21 16. J and K. 1 1 3 3 17. Delhi 12 8 8 9 18. H.P. 2 1 2 1 19. Manipur — — N 20. Tripura N 1 N 1 21. Pondicherry N N N N 22. Goa, N Daman and Diu 1 N N N 23. Nagaland N N N 24. Chandigarh 1 1 1 1 25. Andaman N — N N > All India 362 321 301 277 N*> Negligible (below 500 tonnes) 127 Written Answers JULY 8, 1971 Written Answers 128 Hou se rent Allowance for li.P.F.O, Employees state : at Dflhi 4328. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the (a) whether the Land Ceiling (Amend Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA ment) Act promulgated in West Bengal during TION be pleased 10 state ; President’s Rule by the Union Government is being recommended as a model to other States (a) whether employees of the Employees also ; and Provident Fund Organisation are given House Rent allowance (a) 20 per cent of their pay at (b) if so, the States reaction thereto ? Delhi, while other autonomous bodies like the State Trading Corporation are giving 30 per THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cent House Rent allowance to their employees ; MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI and SHFR SINGH) : (a) and (b). No speci6c recommendation has been made to States to (b) if so, whether there is any proposal treat as a model the West Bengal Land Re to extend the same rate of house rent allow forms (Amendment) Act, 1971 which provides ance to the employees of the Employees Provi for ceiling on agricultural holdings. The West dent Fund Organisation ? Bengal Act was amended keeping in view the policy laid down in the Five Year Plans and THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND the suggestions made in the Chief Ministers REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K KHADIL- Confidences of 1969 and 1970 All States have KAR): The administration of the Employees' been advised to bung there laws in line with Provident Fund ts the concern of the central the national policy. Board of Trustees set up under the Employees* Provident Funds and Family Pension Fund Act, 1952 and not the direct concern of the Ragi Cultivation Government of India. The Provident Fund authorities have intimated as under : - 4330. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to (a) Employees of the Employees’ Provident state : Fund Organisation arc given house rent allowance (&> 20% of their pay at Delhi. (a) whether Government have taken any step to improve the conditions of Ragi growing (b) In pursuance of the decision of the in several States; and Central Board of Trustees in whom the l-und vests, the employees ol the Employees’ Provi (b) if so, the steps taken in this regard dent Fund Organisation arc governed by the and the States growing Ragi in the country ? scales of pay, allowance and other concessions as are applicable to the employees of the ad THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ministrative offices of the Central Government MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI from time to time. In the circumstances, the SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes Sir. question of comparison with the bodies like the State Trading Corporation does not arise. (a) The steps taken include improvement Owing the non-availability of the facility of of Ragi by breeding new varieties suitable to Staff quaters at Delhi which facility is avai different argoclimatic conditions and developing lable by way of provision of general pool new technology for maximising production per accommodation to the employees of the Cen unit area. tral Government, the staff of the above Organi sation posted at Delhi were granted an additi Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Maharashtra, onal House Rent allowance of 5% over and Mysore, Orissa, Tamil Nadu and Uttar Pradesh above the rates of House Rent Allowance are the major Ragi growing States. . prescribed for corresponding categories emplo yees of the Central Government. Construction of Office Building and Staff Quarters for Regional Office'df Em-' Land celling (Amendment) Act of West Bengal ploycts Provident Fund Organi as Model Law for other States sation Patna < 4329. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will 4331. SHRI R, P. YADAV: Will the the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to Minister'of LABOUR AND REHABILITA- 129 Written Answers ASADHA 17,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 130 TION be pleased to state t THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- (a) whether there is any proposal for KAR) : The administration of the Employees' construction of office building and residential Provident Fund is the concern of the Central quarters for (he staff of the Regional Office at Board of Trustees set up under the Employees* Patna of the Employees* Provident Fund Provident Funds and Family Pension Fund Organisation ; Act, 1952 and it is not the direct concern of the Government of India. The Provident (b) whether the above proposal has been Fund authorities have reported as under pending for so many years ; and (a) to (c). The Central Government have allotted a plot of land to the Employees’ Provi (c) if so, the steps being taken to expe dent Fund Organisation for construction of dite the same and the time it would take to an office building in New Delhi. Possession decide the issue of the purchase of land and has already been taken and an idea as to the construction thereof ? time required for completion cannot be given at this stage when even the preliminaries re THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND garding preparation of the building plan and REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- its approval by the New Delhi Municipal KAR): The administration of the Employees Pro Committee have not been completed. The vident Fund is the concern of the Central Board of Organisation, however, are themselves anxious Trustees set up under the Employees* Provident to have the building completed as early as Funds and Family Pension Fund Act, 19S2 and possible. is not the direct concern of the Government of India. The Provident Fund authorities have Survey of Minerals in Gujarat intimated as under :— 4333. SHRI JADEJA : Will the Minis- ter of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to (a) to (c). There is a proposal for cons state : tructing an office building and staff quarters for the office of the Regional Provident Fund (a) whether there is any scheme for sur Commissioner, Bihar at Pattta ; but no appreci veying area of Gujarat for minerals ; able progress has been made due to non-avai lability of suitable plots of land at reasonable (b) if so, when it is likely to be taken ; rates. The State Government of Bihar have and already been approached fbr allotting a suitable plot of land for the purpose. (c) the main features of the scheme ? Construction of buildings for Regional and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Central Offices of E.P.F.O. at Delid MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAH NAWAZ KHAN) : (a) to (c). The 4332. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will theGeological and mineral surveys of Gujarat by Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA the Geological Survey of India has been con TION be pleased to state : tinuing since several decades and a general survey of the State has almost been completed. Geological mapping on modern maps and (a) whether land has been allotted by the mineral investigations are in progress as per Delhi Development Authority for construction the Ten-Year Plan (1969-79) of the Geological of buildings for offices of the Central Provi Survey of India. dent Fund Commissioner and the Regional Provident Fund Commissioner at Delhi; The Ten-Year PJan (1969-79) of Geological Survey of India for Gujarat envisages systema (b) if so, the time required for this com tic geological mapping and preliminary mineral pletion and the progress made in the matter assessment of an area of 8,500 sq. km. and so far; and regional mineral assessment which will include 23,000 metres of drilling, besides pitting, tren (c) the details of the building area, floor, ching, sampling etc. ill the first phase storey and the ettiftttted cost ? (10*9-74). 131 Written Answers ! HJ tv 8,1971 Written Am m nt i $ Tracto r Training Ceaferc la Sttftcs are of magnetite—quartzite type with iron ! < 1 content varying from 35 to 40%. 4334. SHRI BHUVARAHAN : Will the* Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to (c) A detailed 'project report has been state : prepared ,by M/a Dastur and Co. on the Kanchimalai Mining Plant for the Tamil Nadu (a) whether there is any proposal to start Industrial Development Corporation. The Tiactor Training Centres in all the States ; Hindustan Steel Construction Ltd. have taken up soil investigation work and have sent sam (b) if so, the States where these Centres ples of iron ore to the National Metallurgical will be started ; and Laboratory, Jamshedpur for test, results of which are awaited. (c) the cost of these Centres, State-wise ? Deposits of Gold and other rich minerals in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Tamil Nadu MjtN&TRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 4336. SHRI BHUVARAHAN : Will the SHER SINGH): (a) to (c). In addition to Minister of STFEL AND MINES be pleased tbe existing Tractor Training Centres at Budni to state : (near Bhopal irt Madhya Pradesh) and at Htssar (Haryana), a third Training Centre is (a) whether according to a recent survey being set up in Mysore for which a provision there are rich deposits of gold and other rich of Rs. 35 lakhs has been made in the Fourth minerals in T#mil Nadu ; and Plan. (b) if so, the main findings thereof ? Iron ore deposits in Tamil Nadu THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4335. SHRI 3HUVARAHAN ; Will the MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased SHAH NAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b). No to state : rich deposits of gold or other rich minerals have recently been located in Tamil Nadu. (a) whether according to recent Survey, Investigations conducted by the Geological iron ore deposits have been found in the far- Survey of India, during 1964-67 in the Wynad surrounding areas of Kanchimalai hills in Salem, goldfield, generally revealed occurrences of poor Tamil Nadu ; gold values and pockety nature of minerali sation. A few pre^ioas/semi-precious mine (b) if so, the places where these iron ore rals like Amethyst, Aquamarine, Chrysoberyl, deposits have been found ; and Emerald in Coimbatore district; Garnet in tbe Nilgiris, Pamanathapuram, Salem and Tira- chirapalli districts; rock crystal (Vellum Stone) (c) the action taken on the survey re in Tanjore ; Ruby In Salem and Tiruchirapalli port ? districts and Zircon in Kanyakumari have been reported. THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI Besides, occurrences of Molybdemite in SHAH NAWAZKHAN): (a) and (b). As a Madurai district. Moulding sands in Chingle- result of recent surveys a number of iron o n put and South Arcot districts ; Bauxite in deposits have been located in the area aronnd Salem district and vermiculite in faorth Aropt Kanjamalai Hills, Salem district as also the district of Tamil Nadu have also been located adjoining districts of Tamil Nadu. Prominent during rec6nt surveys The investigations are among these deposits are 3 5 crore tonnes in still Id progress. Tirthamalai H ill; 19 lakh tonnes fo Tirtjia- malai North, Extension; 37 lakh tonnes in Canadian Aid for Dry Land Research la States Vadavaiiur; 6-2 crore tonnes in Qodumaiti, Salem District: 3.8 ?rore tonnes in Triehur** 4337. SHRI BHUVARAHAN : Will tbe palli district; 18 crorctpnacs in Kavuthtmaiai Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to Vendappan Matai, Ucfactyma^i, and state : Timpattur, area west of Pudur «jod Kelur in » North A root district. Most of the deposits1 (a) whether there is any programme for t?g W s ttm A m m s ASAD&Ail^ t8f3 (SAJK/4) WrUtm A fm tts 114 Statement S.No Name of State Centre 1 Andhra Pradesh 1. 2. Bihar 3. Ranchi 3 Gujarat 4 (I) Anand 5. («*) Rajkot 4. Haryana 6. Httsar 5 Jammu tad Kashmir 7. Jamrtui 6 Madhya Pradesh 8. (1) Indore 9. 7 Maharashtra 10 (0 Akoia 11. 00 Shoiapur 8, Mysore 12. (0 Hebbal 13 (») Bellary 14 (III) Buapur 9. Punjab 15. Ludhiana 10. Rajasthan 16. (0 Jodhpur 17. (11) Udalptor 11. Tamil Nadu 18. Kovilpattl 12. tHtai; ^ra *44- , 24., ...... — ...... , ,, lU&.iita.kfr----- i j__ du------(A. 135 Written Answers JULY S, 1971 Written Answers 136 Extension of Green Revolution to Live-stock different agencies at different points of time and conditions differ from place to place. 4338. SHRI RAJDfcO SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased (c) No. to state : (d) Does not arise. (a) whether without the full development of agricultural scctor engaging 72 per cent of Recommendations of All India Rural Credit country's population the country as a whole Review Committee on Projects for cannot develop ; Small Farmers (b) if so, whether new technology termed 4340. SH&I H. N. MAHARAJA as Green Revolution is being fully exploited NARENDRA SINGH : Will the Minister or n o t; and of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (c) whether it is in the programme* (a) the recommendations of All India schedule to extend it to live-stock and allied Rural Credit Review Committee regarding fields? setting up of specific projects for the benefit of small farmers ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (b) the recommendations which were not SHER SINGH) : (a* Yes, Sir. accepted by the Government and the reasons thereof ? (b) It is being exploited to the extent possible. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (c) Intensive programmes have'been taken JAGANNATH PAHADIA} : (a) A copy of up for the development of livestock, poult’ry, the Report of the All India Rural Credit piggery, fisheries etc. Review Committee which contains its recom mendations has already been placed in the Payment Structures in Salt and Ceramic library of the Lok Sabha. Industries in States 4339. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the (b) The recommendations of this Com Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA mittee relating to the setting up of the Small TION be pleased to state : Farmers Development Agencies have been accepted by Government with the following (a) whether there are different pay struc modifications. Instead of Rs. 2 crores per tures in various States in Salt and Ceramic project as suggested by the Committee, about industries; Rs. 1.5 crores per agency has been earmarked but the number of agencies bas been increased to 46 as against 30 recommended. (b) if so, the reasons therefor; (c) whether Government have received Fresh Assessment of Influx of Refugees representations and memoranda from the From Bangla Desh Workers and UHions of the said industries as well as from the former Gujarat Government 4341. SHRI B. S. MURTHY : to appoint a 'Pay Commission* to go into the SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA . details for Common Pay Scales throughout the country ; and Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITATION be pleased to state : (d) if so, the reaction of Government and the steps proposed to be taken ? (a) whether any fresh assessment has been made as to the maximum number cf THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND evacuees expected from Bangla Desh ; REHABILITATION (SHRIR. K. KHADIL- KAR): (a) and (b). Yes*. There is no uni (b) the total dumber of camps to be formity because the wages are fixed by actnhliglmH j 137 Written Amners ASADHA 17,1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 138 (c) the amount in cash and kind India has to spend ; and arfasnfar fW fT?r fa q | sftfar (d) the extent to which Fourth Plan s m r | would be effected because of this unexpected heavy expenditure and the proposed re aforcr 76 *<> srfa fo iz v adjustments to be made ? 75 „ „ „ THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- K AR): (a) Judging from the existing trend ferto ^ ?ft% 74 „ „ the influx of refugees from East Bengal may soon reach the figure of 8 million or even apf rf $ aram fa* ansrf % more. «rrc 'tnfta r e % jfr%' (b) At present more than 1100 relief f^rfarfe $ 3r?jt i m f t »rf *ft fspsren- ^ camps/Reception Centres are functioning and 72 ^1% SrfcT fW 5J fasrffW f«RT | I these are being increased in accordance with actual requirements. 3T5^T % 3F5T 3TT% «T1% SOT % f^Cr ftpr^T »ptt t^P srfer (c) The total cost of relief operation for afh: f%**r ^Vcft arpj snnft 6 months is estimated at Rs. 300 crores on the basis of 6 million refugees in camps t ■ (d) As the resources are limited, the to jtt sttt froffar sN r afcr-T frf* expenditure on Plan items will necessarily % ^ arfsrsTTfccr t r w t , have to be curtailed and the inter se prio rities of Plan schemes refixed according to ^farmT, m ix s t^ t t f n sr^?r % f«*r urgency and needs. 74 srfcr faapi?* I fa$R 3^7 $TOT % ffci? *mr: 71 ^ 3fK 72 ^ 3?rr iff srf?r 1 1 5?r?y ftR»r «i?t 5t| % s ts trt 4342 ^ ^ rzr% sftr ^fcPrt fjp^r srcfT^ ^ ^TT ^ fo : % aT$WX «R 55TJ 11 (*?) *TR?fta srra fjpnr ^ l ajpr, 1971 wtcN gr?r form ^ qr ^ ^ cprr to r r tfto zh a r ^ t o r tftx t o SrfETSnfccr *PT TfT t aftr *P*r ^ R T t o t «n; ftzTT ^rr Tft 11 (sr) l 15*71 ?ht f^r Sr ( ^ ) (Jrk rt &r %) fer'TT ^ f«RT *ptt aftr ftw zx zfaft tftm fap?*r 39, 900 (*r) *r$rc*ST ^ src^> w rit n sr«re % *ft% i,4ro fPT* % 1 apr, 1971 %5Ptt *tjf ssrnr iwft Tf»nrr «n? % ?ft% 700 *fir w m if wwr w t cTcft^T ^ 5f*% too f«$) :( v ) srnr f*nr*T ^ t o T«ft ^ 1971 era* 9, 6», 57* 42, 100 2?r 3^ arfiurm te r «rr i stvtc 5* 139 Written Answers r / K v 1971 ^ W rttm AnsHVrs MO ■ : (c) whe!Mr all the public sector units (»r) H i mr 3 3 if wwli «hirr would be in a position to pay boeustotheir workers ? THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND W^TfWyC 3,000 REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- KAR): (a) to (c). The public sector under 266 ■. takings are already required to pay Bonus under the Payment of Bonos Act, 1965* unless they a>re exempted under Section 32 or sFj?rT B; SecUon 20. Tbe establishments exempted under Section 20, however, are already paying 3fT^?fr 400 ex-graJia bonus ; the proposal is to make the Act applicable to such establishments also. 600 Implementation of Recommendations of *nfrf 2,640 Wage Board on Iron Ore Mines, Goa ^ n ? 9C0 4344. SHRI ERASMO DE SEQUE1RA : Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA BILITATION be pleased to state the number irosfa: 5C0 of iron ore mines in Qoa which have fully implemented the recommendations of the 310 Central Wage Board for Iron Ore Mining Industry and its percentage to total number of working mines ? NRTTvrr^K 5 THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND ^ n r r m 2t REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- KAR): Out of 94 working mines in Goa, 67 # o ^sr 50 mines accounting for about 75% employment, are reported to have implemented the recom mendations of tbe Wage Board. 3TsftTT 500 Allocation for Paddy Cultivation in Kerala 3ft? 9, 200 during Fourth Phut 4345. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- KAPPAN : Will the Minister of AGRICUL Payment of Bonus to Employees of Public TURE be pleased to state ; Undertakings 4343. SHRI B. NARAYANAN : Will the (a) whether cultivation of paddy has Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA given top priority in the State of Kerala TION be pleased to state : during the Fourth Five Years Plan period ; and (a) whether there is a proposal to bring forward a Bill providing for payment of bonus (b) if so, the total ailocijiitrti^ndef tttfc to workers of ail public sector undertakings ; head, and if not, the ? (b) if so, how Government’ propose to " k TfiB MINISTER THE ensure payment of bonus when the public MINISTRY . OF A G R lC I I ^ I ^ K ^ ^ f ^ SHER SINGH): '($ V«si' •* sector units have faced a sharp decline of 42 ■ per cent in the net profits during the year 1969-70 ; and ■- >(b) Rupass 141 Wrtiiet* A m v * r t ASADHA 17.1893 {SAKA) Written Answer* 142 Lorn* gi ven by Lund Development JBhnty (c) A statement showing (he position in In Kerate other States is laid on the Table of the House. {Placed in Library. See No. LT— 4346. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- 628/70J KAPPAN : Will the Minister of AGRICUL TURE be pleased to state : (a) the total amount of loans advanced qfaftoff v t W tar fiww by the Land Development Banks In the State of Kerala during the last three years indica ting the development works for which loans 4347. fluffs fast : # were given, year-wise ; srti% frrr ^t*t % : (b) the total number of persons in Kerala who have been given loans by the said banks ; ( * ) *rfaf?rarr % and m few % ap^fr arraV | ; (c) how it compares with the loans given by the Land Development Banks in other States during the said period ? ( ^ ) s f c f r, eft WT 3R3FTC 3fTT THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE farf^T TTHT «RWT»1f % TT W for MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI «PC TZ *ftf faSTFT t ; JAGANNATH PAHADIA), (a) and (b). The long-term loans advanced by the land deve lopment banks in Kerala during the last three («t ) *rfir f t , ?ft v r t w s *t t | ? years as also the number of persons (members) who were advanced loans and the purposes of loans were as under :— *rarm* if w n f t « T ^ r * n ): (*r)tft i tffWfr m ttff (Rs. in lakhs) 3T|f^t % xm srfafe 32 %3f5^TR No. of members Amount of bans “sr^Frft srfafoir” tts* fa r o | i Coop, who were advanced to Year advanced loans individuals (s) 3fhc (*r). fffinrra tft sn rtt fcj- g^rt it xrsir tft srfafe 32 % arapfaarr% 1967-68 2,452 76.37 *rnst “^ ^ T f t sfafenff" % f%rr ^ W to 1968-69 2,902 106.00 fqrsrr^ 3f»ri% apt sremsr ^ 1 1 ewfa, f c t 1969-70 3,121 118.00 ^ tfRjfqt ^ ^ (Provisional) sfa fe 44 % 3Fcnf?r s^irrct srfafaff Purposes Cooperative Years 1942 ffRT w fer 1967-68 1968-69 196*70 ^fenr 1 1 its * (l) Land Improve- 94% 9$% 23% 3ftisrpT9TW | 3uT, ‘T^fT^Twr r a w r sror meat fT O T % JWt3R % f*Fq i% _ (2) Sinking & nepair 70% t o *r sTftr ’t^v r t rarra sk t of well* (3) Purchase of farm 2% 5% w A cT §tlft t 5fft | I 53F sr«PTT machinery fafuwr ^ - ^ w ^ r f ’FT^t **> fafa*r (4) Odw puttx^t 1% ^ .. faftrat 1 1 ** 14"? Written Answers JULY 8,1971 Written Answers 144 f% * ffanm a rg ^ ft *r (b) and (c). The National Industrial Development Corporation Ltd. submitted a srftfcj 44 % arepfcr *tt% sura feasibility study on the Gujarat bauxite depo S^FTTY tfforforf % forr T£f? 5*TTW rT«TT sits. Based on this study. Central Government rr^WT=fT %?^qr faSTR ^ I ^ S^TT % m consultation with Government of Gujarat, is considering a proposal to set up an export fam^r ^ $ *r oriented Alumina plant in Gujarat. Decision *rfeer qft *r£ srfafa stt^ ^ regarding 'he exact location of the proposed plant is also under consideration of the m i z* VI w&tk ?m fa*TT f*n? % Government. ^TTT=tT Astt ^rnr^ft I Relief Work for Scarcity Tribal Belts of Tripura Agreement with (L'SSR on Scientific and Technical Cooperation in Agriculture 4350. SHRI DASARATHA DEB: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 4348. SHRI M. KALYANASUNDA- to state : RAM : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state the details of the protocol (a) whether any relief work has been signed between India and USSR on the 18th started in the scarcity-riddcn Tribal belts of June, 1971 in Moscow on scientific and Tripura ; technical cooperation for a period of five years in the field of Agriculture ? (b) if so, the names of “maugas” where such works have been started ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (c) the nature of relief works undertaken SHER SINGH): A copy of the agree by the Government ? ment is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No LT 428A/7JJ. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Deposits of Bauxite and Lignite In Kutch SHER STNGH): (a) No area in Tripura has been declared as scarcity affected, 4349. DR. MAHIPATRAY MEHTA : Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES (b) and (c). Do not arise. be pleased to state : Location of Head Office of Food Corporation (a) whether bauxite and lignite deposits of India have been found in huge quantity in Kutch District of Gujarat ; 4351. SHRI N S. BISHT : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to (b) if so, whether Government purpose state : to set up a plant to manufacture alumina and aluminium from bauxite ; and (a) the reasons for which the Head Office of the Food Corporation of India has been (c) the location of the proposed plant ? located at Madras, which is a deficit State in foodgrains production; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINF.S (b) the difficulties experienced by the (SHRI SHAH NAWAZ KHAN): (a) As a Corporation in controlling its activities tn the result of investigations carried out by the surplus foodgrains producing State ; and Geological Survey of India about 1.4 crore tonnes of proved reserve of bauxite and 19.S (c) whether Government purpose to shift crore tonnes of lignite have been estimated the Head Office of the Corporation to some in the Kutch district of Gujarat. Out of 1 4 surplus foodgrains producing State as to crore tonnes of bauxite about 80 lakh tonnes facilitate its activities ? is of high grade and 60 lakh tonnes hi of low grade. The workable reserves of lignite are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of the order of 13 3 crore tonnes. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 145 Malpractices by ASADHA 17, 18« (SIKi) Shlpphg Coi in import 146 of Newsprint (C.A.) SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. The head to give further details which he would like to office of the Food Corporation o.f India is investigate, I would like to place before him now located at Delhi. for his information and necessary action (b) and (c). Do not arise. elaborate details with all the documentary evidence that is at my disposal. Sir, as far back as four to five years, I would like to 12 hrs. draw your attention to the fact that the CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER shipping companies which are members of the OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Katmahom Conference Lines had given a very important concession to the governments R e p o r t e d M alpractices a n d I r r e of developing countries. The conccssion it g u l a r it ie s by S h ip p in g C o m p a n ie s that if some companies want to export in I m p o r t oh N f w s p r in t materials which are to be used for the pro PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE prietory purposes by Government cither (Rajapur) : Sir, I call the attention of the Central or State Governments or by autono Minister of Shipping and Transport to the mous bodies or local bodies in that case on following matter of urgent public importance the freight charges there would be 25% rebate. and request that he may make a statement It is made explicitly clear that this rebate thereon : would not be admissible in case the goods arc to be sent for being utilised for commercial The reported malpractices and irregulari purposes and, therefore, this particular rebate ties by certain shipping companies in the is not to be made available if at all the goods import of newsprint through the State exported are meant for commercial purposes. Trading Corporation resulting in loss of crores of rupees of foreign exchange to Now, Sir, here I want to point out that tbe country. theie are a number of cases in which certain companies have exported newsprint giving THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN wrong declaration that those newsprints are TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND not meant for commercial purpose but they TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : are to be utilised by the Government either The hon. Member is presumably referring to at the State level or Central level or by some the newspaper reports on the subject that have autonomous body. Here, for instance, I been appearing in the press recently would like to point out that certain unscru pulous shippers made wrong statements that 1 do not think it is correct to say that newsprint that is being despatched by them there has been malpractice and irregularities through a particular ship is meant for govern depriving Indian Shipping Companies of mental purpose and 25% rebate should be foreign exchange in crores of rupees in the available. Letters were addressed. For import ofnewsprint through ihe State Trading instance, last year the State Trading Corpo Corporatidn resulting in loss of crores of ration entered into an agreement with a rupees of foreign exchange to the country. Canadian firm. M/s. Export Sales Co. Ltd., If tbe merabJr will let me know specific Vancouver, Canada for the supply of news instances, I shall have the matter investi print. As far as the clause regarding rebate gated. is concerned it is to be made available if the newsprint is to be used for government pur PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : On poses. A categorical declaration was made the 2nd of July, that is, this month, the by the representative of this Organisation that President of the All India Port and Dock it is meant for governmental agencies and Workers Federation, Shri S. R. Ku’karni, allied agencies and after making this statement addressed a press conference in which he the amount of lebate to the tune of 500 U. S. had referred to the malpractices and irregu dollars was obtained and to this extent we larities to which I have referred here. If had lost the foreign exchange Here again the the Government had responded and given its matter was pointed out by certain officers of reaction and issued the necessary clarifications, the Scindia Steam Navigation Company. I would not have come forward in the House They detected the irregularity. They found and drawn the attention of the Minister con this rebaie is not permissible at all. They cerned to these irregular/ties. Share he him had actually written a letter in which this self in his statement has almost provoked me irregularity and malpractice has been pointed 147 Malpractices by JULY 8,1971 Shipping Cos. in Import 148 of Newsprint (C A ) [Shn Madhu Dandavate) and Mr. Vipin Khanna. These out. Sir, I seek your permission to * table all partners, it is said, were involved in tho>e photostat copies of the documents the famous sulphur scandal which available with me and in case, Mr. Speaker, occurred a few years back and our Sir, you do not permit me to table these country had lost nearly Rs. 50 crores documents I am prepared to hand-over these in the deal How these persons were documents to you and when you scrutinise allowed to operate under a different these documents and feei it would be worth title and to conduct business with the while to pass on these documents, I would like State Trading Corporation of India you to pass on those photostat copies to the on behalf of their principals ? Minister because in his investigation those will 4. The Bill of Lading of any consign be useful. The estimated loss of foreign ment is prepaied by the Shipping exchange is to the tune of Rs 7.5 croies Company or their Agents How the Here in this connection I would like to Agents of M/s. Scmdia Steam pose certain questions—pointed questions—• Navigation Co. L td , in Canada and I am sure if the Minister tries to admitted the declaration made by investigate the matter these questions will be M/s. Export Sales Co Ltd ? What of great use : sort of verification they conducted befoie admitting the declaiation by 1. The main purpose of allowing the the Shippers ? State Trading Corporation of India to control the import of newsprint 5. It is understood that in accordance was to eliminate the middlemen who with the Agreement between the State were exploiting the users of news Trading Corporation and M/s. print. The State Trading Corpora Export Sales Co. Ltd., Canada, the tion was also required to purchase total CIF value of paper was 170 the material at the source. Why U.S. dollars per M. Ton. The did the STC enter into contract with same quality of paper was available M/s. Export Sales Co. Ltd., Canada, at a cheaper rate than quoted by who were not at all the manufac M/s. Export Sales Co. Ltd, Why turers of newsprint ? did the State Trading Corporation 2. The financial viability of M/s. Export purchase the newsprint from M/s. Sales Co. Ltd., Canada, was not Export Sales Co. Ltd. when the known and four leading Banks in other manufacturers were prepared Canada could not give the financial to sell the newsprint at a lower rate 7 status of this company. It is under The total value of the newsprint stood that this company was floated imported to India during the last by three monopolistic paper manu year was about Rs. 20 crores out of facturers in Canada and has no which the freight charge element was capital as such. Further, the agree about Rs. 6£ crores. On this basis, ment entered into with this company tbe Shipping Companies have been by the State Trading Corporation cheated in the freight rate to the tune does not provide for Performance of Rs. 1~ crores in the last year only. Guarantee and Penalty Clauses, I may just make a passing reference for a Why these Clauses which are in proper investigation to another shady deal cluded in normal agreements were which has come to light and that pertains to not included in the agreement which the rice export by the State Trading Corpo was entered into by the Sta‘e Trading ration to the Middle East countries. As pur Corporation ? the terms of contract, the importers of rice 3. It was understood that M/s. Export in the Middle East have to pay the F. O B. Sales Co. Ltd., Canada, have M/s. value whereas it is understood that the freight D. S. S. I. Industries Ltd., Greater charges are being paid to the Indian Shipping Kaiiasb, New Delhi, as their agents Company in Indian currency. It is suspec in India The partners of this ted that the country is also losing foreign Company are Major Vinod Khanna exchange in this deal. ♦The Speaker not having subsequently accorded the necessary permission, the documents were not treated as laid on the Table. 149 Malpractices by ASADHA IT. 1893 (SAKA) Shipping Cos in Import 150 o f Newsprint (C.A ) Having po sed ail these questions, I would appeared in the Press. Therefore, I would like to repeat the suggestions already made by like to know from you—as a new Member, I the President of the All India Port and Dock would like to know—whether it is against the Workers' Federation. Here is a question of best traditions and convention of this House sharpening the image of the public sector. As to depend upon the reports appearing in the a socialist primary concern is of sharpening Press while tabling a call attention motion ? the image of the public sector. I have a If in the discussion of the call attention, it commitment to the public sector and, there turns out that the press report is wrong, we fore, as an interested party, I would request are very happy and if the press report turns the hon. Minister, if the image of the public out to be correct, then the country stands to sector is to be improved, sharpened and benefit. Therefore, I think it will be quite brightened, it is quite neecssary that a proper right for us to base our call attention motions investigation should be undertaken and that on press reports. I am only seeking clari the matter should be properly gone into fication from you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. These through a Parliamentary Committee. There are the questions that I have posed and I fore, 1 would like to know from the hon. hope the Minister will not evade the issue. Minister whether the Government will be willing to undertake a probe through a MR. SPEAKER ; When I choose any Parliamentary Committee so that the people call attention motion, it does not mat er from will be convinced that there is an effort on what source it comes. But, if 1 am convinced the part of the Government not to bring the that some substance is there in it, I do admit public sector into disrepute and that, if there it. But don't make me commit myself for are any cases of corruption, nepotism, high the future, I tnyelf read the news in the Press handedness, irregularities and malpractices, and 1 know the Press in this country is quite they are going to get rid of those things so responsible. that the image of the public sector is im proved. SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I have very carefully gone through the press report. The In conclusion, with your permission, Sir, Press report, for the sake of clarification if I would like to seek a clarification from you I may be permitted to quote, reads as in connection with Calling Attention Notices. follows : On some other occasion, during the Calling Attention Motion, it was pointed out by the “The false declaration by a Canadian External Affairs Minister that no Member in firm selling newspiint to India has this House should table a Calling Attention deprived Indian ship-owners of foreign Notice on the basis of press reports. Yester exchange worth Rs. 7.5 crores.” day, I went through all the reports and I found that 99 per cent of the Calling Atten The allegation is that Indian shipowners tion Notices for the last several years were have been deprived of Rs. 7.5 crores in given on the basis of press reports. We have foreign exchange. May I say, Sir that it was no governmental agency through which we due to the efforts of our Department that can get informa4 ion. Of course, those people some time ago rather some years ago, that a who have links with foreign countries and special concession was secured from the foreign Embassies can get a different infor American Lines operating from the East Coast mation. But we have to rely on press of USA which was also followed later on by reports. shipping companies operating from the West Coast of Canada coming to our country. It Here, I may point out that the very fact was for our cargoes coming from those of the first Chinese aggression on India was countries that, a freight concession was given, brought to light by the press reports and only to the extent of 25%. The shipping compa on relying the press reports tome alert nies because of the nature of our developing Members of this House had brought the fact economy have allowed us this particular of Chinese aggression through Questions and facility of concession that the freight charges Call Attention motions before this House. have been reduced. Even the fact of aggression had to be extracted from an adamant government and the Defence So, it was a aott of an agreement between Ministry on the basis of the reports that have the Shipping Lines and between ourselves *nd 151 Malpractice* by JULY * 1971 Shipping Cos. In Import1S2 of Newsprint (C.A.) [Shri Raj Bahadur] The rest of the questions put by the naturally, the STC has got a large share in member do not arise. He referred to certain our trade. So, I would say that so far as we specific points and I may only say a few words about them. He asked : why are the are concerned, there is no question of our Bxport Sales Company Limited used for the country losing foreign exchange. Much of purpose of import of newsprint. This question the cargo comes in foreign vessels also. essentially goes to the jurisdiction of the There are some Indian Shipping companies also in the trade. Therefore, I asked as to Foreign Trade Ministry,—they may have some which of the Indian Shipping companies have reasons,—and I would really not like to say suffered a Joss so that we may make an anything which I do not know, on behalf of that Ministry. He asked about the capital inquiry. assets of the company and I may say I have Now, only one instance has come to our no information about this too. In regard to notice. Since it has come to our notice not the penalty clause, 1 may say that such a with all the facts and figures, therefore, 1 said clause which could have been included in the that if facts are given to me, I will have it contract between the shippers and the shipping investigated The hon. Member has given company. The Government does not come certain racts and figures. We are always into the picturc. The question why there prepared to investigate these. We shall try was no penalty clausc, is one which should be to do whatever we can. The only case that settled between the shipping company and the has come to our notice is that of a shipment shippers. About Major Ktunna and others, that came afier December, 1970. I must also I don't know how far it is correct, but I may clarify this thing too. This concession of say, any company may appoint anybody here. 25% obtained upto December 1970 foi all If a company is black listed the Government cargoes. After December 1970 the Shipping do not deal with it. But this is again a Companies raised the point, that all cargoes matter relating to Foieign Trade Ministry. are not essentially development cargoes or are not meant for development projects, therefore, SHRI D. N. TIWARY (Gopalganj) : this concession will be available only for such There is the report of the Public Undertakings cargoes as are used or utilised for develop Committee about the sulphur deal. mental projects. Therefore, they excluded the private cargoes from this concession. This rule came into operation from 1st January SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I am not 1971. A particular consignment, after this saying anything about that. He asked about change, perhaps bccause of lack of knowledge a foreign company and so I said that the ques or otherwise, was, of course, shipped through tion has to be addressed to another Ministry. M/s Exports Sc Sales Co. Ltd, Vancouver on Another point that he raised was about the CIF basis per S S Jalgopal m April Ust value of the newsprint. If Rs 20 crores is It appears that notwithstanding the change in the total value of the newsprint Rs. 7.5 crores the regulations that 25% will not be allowed could not have been the loss on freight. for newsprint imported for resale by the STC Then he said about middle-east, about which —STC brings newsprint and sells it to govern I have no information. He said about im mental agencies as well as non-governmental proving the image of the public sector. I agencies-the American agents of M/s. Scmdia certainly join hands with him in doing that. Steam Navigation Co appaiently allowed the Then he asked for a Parliamentary Commis discount of 25% on this cargo amounting to sion to go into it I think there was hardly 9067 dollars equal to Rs. 66.567 only. any case made out for that and 1 could hold However, no concession on this basis could be out no assuiance on that. About press allowed. They took up the point with us reports, Sir, you have dealt with that question, when they came to know of it. Our but 1 would add that what matters is the reply could only be one and it was that correctness of a report. If they are truthful, ibta was a contract on CIF terras between the they could be acted upon shippers in Canada, namely, the Exports Sales Company and the Scmdias, and the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He Government of India did not come into the said if the newsprint comes through foreign picture. If they had a claim they will have vessel the question of our suffering foreign to vindicate that daim against Export Sales exchange loss does not arise. Sciadia Company Limited, Navigation Co. has a vessel \Jalgopal’ and if 153 Re, Supply of ASADHA 17,1893 (SdKA) Defective bread w Dtlhi 154 newsprint comes through that there wilt be loss $ i f?r%fjrarr ssrw f \£t of foreigi? exchange. srfrft I 33% s f t c a m ^ far SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I have already fswFwr wfte arrar 1 1 srra said about this. *rarrs*r * t w a r m m strrr ^ aftr 3 tr t | ^ | aft* Re. LAW AND ORDER SITUATION IN WEST BENGAL SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA srfor w m (grf^r fcesft) : (Serampore) : Since the proclamation of President's rule, so many incidents of murders ^ is m ftzt sfwtI and killings are reported from Calcutta. On sft I, $ TT^T *F an«w » i[ m HT«r 12.30 brs. 1 1 qifatrrfc pr% fetr srm ^tr- DEMANDS *FOR GRANTS— Contd. ST^t I I 5TiW tft SP^TT sp> Ministry of Information and #sr ’ftfarr, ^ a r sfa Broadcasting— contd. # fat?, M h & Z wb ^5T ^fatr, ffoft *?t MR. SPEAKER : The House will now tft ftfsnr i ct ^ ?r i ^ take up further discussion and voting on the t r ^ S t ^ r vt gwisr srm^r t t sptst Demands for Grants under the control of the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. 1 1 ^ft ^ crersfta *ft% «ft **hot The hon Minister may now reply to the i debate. 1 HE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY May i say one thing ? Wc have been AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS following the allotment of time given by the PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : We are Business advisory Committee But that time grateful to you. Sir that you have asked Shn has been extended It has always been the Atal Bihan Vajpayee to send rasagullai to practice in this House that if we decide to ex us. tend the time, then it should go back to the Committee, because we are now short of so «|SOT Wiitow : ’TS ^ eft if t TFT many hours because of these extensions ; the result will be that the Demands at the tail end anft ^Tffrr | will go without being discusscd. Wc had ex pressed our hope that these Demands would be considered, but looking to the rate at which 12.29£ brs. we have been proceeding, it looks that some Demands will go undiscussed. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE SHRI JAGANATH RAO (Chatrapur) : A nnual R ipor t of P yR m s, phospha May I put a question to the hon. Minister so tes and C hemicals Ltd that she can reply to it during her speech ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The Press Commission reported in 1954. MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 17 years have passed sincc AH these years SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): On behalf of Shn Government had not considered the Report. S. Mohan Kumaramangalam, 1 beg to lay on It is only since the last two years that it seems the Table a copy each of the following papers to be under the active consideration of Govern (Hindi and Engtish versions) under sub-section ment. Shri Satyanarayan Sinha and Shri (1) of section 619A of the Companies Act, Gujral had caid that they were actively consi 1956 :— dering the Report During these 17 years, so (1) Review by the Government on the much water has flowed down the Yamuna. working of the Pyrites, Phosphates Whatever observations, remarks and recommen dation they have made, are not valid today. and Chemicals Limited, for the year Even in respect of PTI, the only reason given 1969-70 was that because of financial difficulties they would persuade the shareholders to convert it (2) Annual Report of the Pyrites, Phos into a corporation. It is up to the PTI to phates and Chemicals Limited, for say that they are not in financial difficulties’ the year 1969-70 along with the Audi Since the country has been undergoing a sOcia ted Accounts and the comments of transformation and since it is our policy to the Comptroller and Auditor General curb monopolistic tendencies in the new spaper thereon. [Placed in Library. See and other industries, and since nothing has No LT—626/71J been done in that regard, will Government consider the need to appoint a Second Press ♦Moved with the recommendation of the President, 157 D. <7. < Min. of ASADHA 17, 1893 ( SAKA) Inf & Broadcasting) 158 Comm ission to go into the entire gamut of the of the general points which have been made newspaper industry including news agencies ? by hon. members and try to give an account of the more important activities of this Minis SHRI M. SATYANARAYAN RAO try and also give an indication of our problems (Karimnagar) : My party was not given time and how we propose to tackle them. during this debate. So let me put a question in a minute. Let me first deal with the broadcasting side including TV. Reference was made by MR. SPEAKER : Shri Jaganatha Rao .several hon. members to the recommendation had written to me. of the Chanda Committee that the AIR should be reorganised as a Corporation The state SHRI M. SATYANRAYANA RAO : I ment of the late Prime Minister, Pandit Nehru, will take not more than a minute. has al<-o been quoted in support of this view. I can assure his hon House that wo have given anxious consideration to this matter. We I am told by Shri Shashi Bhushan, when agree that a large and growing organisation he was making a speech, that the Minister like the AIR, which must necessarily be dyna happens to be a great socialist. 1 may tell mic in order to keep pace with the developing you that the All India Radio has become a society, cannot be managed by a Government monopoly of only a few members here. When Department. It must have considerable ad ever members like me participate in the debate, ministrative and managerial autonomy. Simi our speeches are not reported in AIR. I larly, within itself it must ensure sufficient know there are some limitations of time and decentralisation to enable its far-flung units to they cannot cover everything. But there is a function freely and in the context of their local Today in Parliament programme in which they circumstances. Administrative autonomy of can at least mention the names of all the parti the organisation and a substantial measure of cipants if they cannot give coverage to the decentralisation within, are the two allied sub speeches of all the participants. The script jects which Government accept. Government, prepared by the correspondent is, 1 think, done however, do not agree that the AIR should be according to his whims and fancies. I have organised as an autonomous corporation. Un received dozens of letters from by constituents like the press, whether different views are ex asking me why I am not participating in the pressed by different newspapers, the All India debate* in the House and why I am not doing Radio is necessarily regarded as the voice of anything here. This is the complaint I have the country. It has an important role. received and I cannot face my people. May 1 request the Ministry to see to it that if the SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE (Gwa AIR cannot give coverage to all the speeches, lior) : Government ? at least they should mention by name the members who participated in particular SHRI D. N. TIWARY (Gopalganj) : debates ? Government is the country. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : He MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND has formed a new theory. Next he will say BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NAND1NI that the Congress is the country. SATPATHY) : To continue from what 1 was saying last evening, I would like to state once SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY: In again how greatful I am to hon. members who a democratic society, it is right and logical participated in the debate yesterday and for that the elected representatives of the people in the interest they have shown, the understand Government, rather than a Board of Directors ing they have shown and the suggestions they however carefully selected but resposible to no have made about the functioning of this Minis* one, should ensure that this rote is property try. My colleague, Shri Dharam Sir Sin ha, played by the all India Radio. Government has referred to many of the points mentioned cannot, therefore, accept the proposal that even during the debate yesterday and I shall, there apart from administrative and managerial auto fore, not to ever them again. nomy, autonomy in matters of policy should be ensured by making All India Radio an Within the comparatively short time at my autonomous corporation. While, therefore, dispas*!, I shall, however, try to refer to some Government cannot accept the proposal made 139 D.G. {Min. of JULY 8, 1971 Inf. & Broadcasting) 160 LShrima’i Nandmi Satpathy] SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : It by the Chanda Committee, they are consider- will come later on. For a large country like ing proposals to devise a form of organisation India, these few stations ate certainly not for the Ail India Radio which would provide enough, but they will not only form the base both for managerial autonomy and for decen but will give us valuable experience especially tralisation within. in the matter of programme production. We have also ventured info the field of Some Members are not in favour of expan satellites, and arrangements have been made sion of TV. Probably they think that TV is a for an experimental satellite being put into luxury for a country like India, but I should space with foreign collaboration for a period like to mention here that only those who have of one year On the results of this experi got vision, people who can thmk ahead by at ment will depend the future of satellite TV and least 20 years, can think of the expansion of to the extent to which future TV development TV in this country. I would like to mention should depend, on satellite or terrestiial station here that with the expansion of TV, we can or on a mixture of both. have enough scope for the expansion of edu cation .. I would like, however, to remove certain misconception which seem to exist in certain quarters in this connection. A TV programme with the help of the satellite does not mean 3T33T f>, sftarre srga & i that the entire country will be immediately covered. Also it does not mean that the TV srfar ( t f m f ^ r ) : $rf*R programme of other countries will automati cally be viewed by the Indian people. SHRI FRANK ANTHONY (Nominated* Anglo-Indians) : What a shame ? fkm % i sfornr % wk ^ s§cf SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : It *T3TOT | » is not a shame. By this method we cannot view the foreign TV automatically. The only advantage of a satellite is that it becomes un SHRIMATI NAND1NI SATPATHY : The necessary to have a chain of terrestrial stations criticism made by Mr. Vajpayee is noted Of for a revision arrangement. In its place, course, there is enough scope for improvement stations for transmitting programmes to the of the TV programme and we will try to im satellite and reviewing them back from the prove the programme no doubt, but I would satellite have to be arranged. Which of these like to mention here that the expansion of TV two stations will be more economic can only and having community receiving sets in villages be decided after this is examined. and programmes on agriculture, education , will go a long way tn the development of etc- A lone Member from Shri Biju Patnaik’s this country. party in Orissa, Shri Mohanty, has referred to the broadcasting from Cuttack being res Now, in the field of television we have tricted to 20 kw transmitter. made only a beginning, and that to a very stow beginning. There is at present only one SHRI ATAL BIHARl VAJPAYEE : He television centre, that is tn Delhi, but in the is from the Utkal Congress ; not Biju Palnaik’s course of 1972, however, we hope to have two party. other stations, one at Bombay, with an auxili ary at Poona, and another at Srinagar. By the SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : end of the Fourth Plan period, i.e , March, He does not object; why do you object ? So 1974, a station in Calcutta, one in Madras, far as the immediate present is concerned, this and a third one in Lucknow, with an auxi 20 kw station is now there at Cuttack. I am liary at Kanpur are expected to start function* happy to inform this hon. Hou*e that the ing. fourth Plan provides for a 100 kw transmitter for Cuttack, We expect that a 100 lew trans SHRI IX N. T1WARY : Not at Patna 7 mitter will come into operation during 1972-73• rn 2>. G. (Min. o f ASADHA 17,1893 (SAKA) Inf. and Broadcasting) 162 There are similar plants for augmenting other programmes in Hindi and other regional and extending the broadcasting from other languages, arrangements have in fact been stations also. But in this connection, I would made for the teaching of Hindi and some of like to appeal for the fullest co-operation from the regional languages through the All India all the State Governments. In Orissa itself, Radio. This programme of teaching will be unfortunately. ftf extended further. plans has been held up on accailfit. J lL -ih e im r ^ d nsivtr"a^itude_ fhff Stgte- Govern* DR. RANEN SEN (Barasat) : AH the ment. ro r instance, the _State_Gover^ment languages mentioned in the Eighth Schedule are have norjjtvefTus tB possessisai of -li»e_iand national languages ; not regional languages. aTCuRaci^whl^we need for. cppstructing the radio^nen^uli ding. The price of this land SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : as demanded 'b y the State Government was The programme of teaching will be extended paid as long back as February this year. But further to cover languages which have not yet for one reason or the other, the possession of been covered. the land has not been given to us as yet. I hope the hon. Member, Shri Mohanty, will The hon. Member, Shri Basumatari, use his considerable influence with the State referred to the distinctive culture of the tribal Government to extend their co-operation so people and the need to reflect and preserve that we can serve the State better. this culture in All India Radio broadcasts. I fully agree with him. It is the accepted The development of broadcasting, as in policy of the Government to extend the bioad- deed all developmental projects, need the full casting hours to' tribal areas in the country est co-operation between the States and the and this has been one of the main considera Centre, and I hope this co-operation will be tions when the Fourth Plan was formulated. forthcoming from all States including Orissa. Many of our existing stations covering tribal and non-tribal areas broadcast special pro AN HON. MEMBER: Why do you grammes for listeners in tribal areas. We spacify Orissa ? are also setting up a number of stations in the tribal areas in the Fourth Plan. For SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : instance, stations are being set up at Jagadal- Because it was stated that there is discrimina pur and Ambikapur in Madhya Pradesh. tion and Orissa is not getting full consideration. The station at Visakhapatnam is being streng* thened to cover the tribal area in coastal SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : The Andhra Pradesh. Minister has been visiting Orissa off and on. She could use her good offices with Utkal SHRI JAGANATH RAO : What about Congress. Jeypore station 1 Originally, it was designed for 20 KW ; now it is only 20 KW and it is SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : This so feeble that it could not be heard even at is a statement which the hon. Member has district headquarters. made earlier Also. I do not visit Orissa every week ; not even every month. SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY ; Then, stations are being set up at A(|ai in Then a reference has been made by an Assam and NEFA area. This process will hon. Member to what he regards as neglect of undoubtedly continue in the subsequent plan. Hindi by the All tndia Radio, 1 would like I may assure the hon. Members that it will to assure the hon. Members that within the be our endeavour to cover all tcibal areas la framework of the policy of the Government the country as speedily as possible. of India in regard to Hindi every effort has been made to give ttindi its due place in our An hon. Member referred to the Yuv system of broadcasting. Vani programme o f the All India Radio and expressed the view that much o f it was wes- SHRI FRANK ANTHONY : Overdue. tern oriented. While we shall certainly take note of this critidsih, I would like to inform SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : the hon. House that the Yuv Vani programme Apart from the broadcasting o f news and ftom different stations of the AJU India Radio m D G {Min. ef JULY 8,1971 Inf and Broadcasting) 164 tShnmati Nandim Satpathy] lation over a specific minimum should be broa dly based, that is, owned by a comparatively lake fully into account not only the local large number of persons This has indeed context but also the difference m outlook and been recommended by the Press Commission taste of different sections of the youth in the more than IS years ago It may also be neces sasne area A variety of tastes has to be sary to provide by legislation for full disclo provided for and. as the hon Member himself sure of all financial interests and transactions said, western music ib only one of the items of the larger newspapers The reliance ot the catering to this diversity of tastes newspapers on advertisement revenue also needs to be discouraged as it not only impinges I now turn to the information side of this on the news value of a paper but also tends to Ministry Hon Membtis have expressed the develop monopolies in the Pi ess Government anxiety felt by different sections m our coun advertisement as wdl as those of the public try about the growth of the monopoly press sector can also be canalised furthei to entour Government also share this anxiety and it has age the strall and medium newspapers With now been taking steps to cncourage the measures like this which are under contem* growth of small and medium newspapers plat ion Government hope on the one hand to These steps have already found expression in ensure freer and fairci competition amongst several dllections The supply of newsprint, newspapers and on the other to remove the for instance, has been more liberal to the unhealthy leliance of some of the larger news small and medium newspapers Similarly, the papers or big business houses provision of foreign exchange for the import of printing machinery has favoured small and medium newspapers In the matter of Another step which Government have in government advertisements also specul con mmd is the constitution of a newspaper finance sideration has been given to the small and Corporation to assist small and medium news medium newspapers papers For this a provision of Rs 1 crore has been made in the currcnt budget Govern ment hope to introduce a Bill for the consti Government are also aware that the pro tution of this Body in the course of this year blem created by the large newspapers is not fully solved by measures already taken This problem can broadly be analysed into two Before I go to the other point, I would like aspects One is the influence and indeed con to refer to the views expressed by the hon’ble nection which has developed between large Member, Shn C C Desai He referred to business houses and newspaper groups The the proposal made by the Press Commission other is the fact that large newspapers with that the PTI should be turned into a public their large resources are in a position to deny corporation as a mere suggestion and not a fair competition to the small and medium recommendation and quoted one of the Mem« newspapers I need hardly assure this House bers of the Press Commission in support of his what has been repeatedly said on behalf of view Whatever be the view of a specific the Government, namely, that Government Member I quote from the summary of recom believe in complete and full freedom of the mendations as contained in the Report of the press This freedom to be real, however, Press Commission itself. It says . should mean ttot emiy freedom from Govern ment control but also freedom from the control of small groups of persons however high and “We are convinced that it is essential espe well-placed It should mean that the small cially m the present international and man should have as much freedom of expres national circumstances that the news agen sion as persons or a gtoup of persons with cies should work at the maximum efficiency larger resources It is, therefore, to this end and integrity and for tins purpose we that Government bent its efforts to make the recommend the setting up of the public freedom of press a reality. corporation to take over the running of the PTI" There are a number of measures which Government are contemplating in this regard. SHRI C C. DESAI (Sabar Kantha) One such measure would be to provide by suit Recommendation is intended for the share able legislation that all newspapers haying circu holders of the company. i 165 ASADHA 17.1893 (SAKA) Inf. and Broadcasting) 166 SHRIMATI NANDINISATPATHY: It is One hon. Member mentioned about Urdu muloubtcdiy a recommendation which the Press newspapers and their editorial policy. I am Commission expected would be voluntarily acce glad to inform the House that a vast majority pted by the PTI. The Press Commission, owever, of Urdu newspapers, barring a few exceptions, further suggested that a loan of Rs. 10 lakhs are supporting the national policy with regard should be advanced to the PTI and that a to Bangla Desh that was voiced in the pre-condition of this loan should be acceptance unanimous resolution adopted by this House. by the PTI that it should be a proposal to con At the recent seminar held in New Delhi* vert it to a Corporation. That interest free practically, all the 65 editors of Urdu news loan of Rs. 10 lakhs has not been advanced yet. papers who participated fully endorsed t^e But even a larger loan of Rs. 55 lakhs has been national policy witli regard to Bangla Desh. given to the PTI for the construction of their A few of the Urdu newspapers have, however, multi-storeyed building. And yet the PTI have been following an anti-national policy in the not responsed to the recommendation made by matter...{Interruptions) 1 hope the bon. the Press Commission. Members will have a little patience and allow me to complete my sentence. A few of the SHRI C. C. DESAl : That condition was Urdu newspapers have, however, been following not incorporated in the Agreement. an anti-national policy in the matter and the Government are keeping a dose watch over them and appropriate action will be taken SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : I against them in accordance with the law did not say that it was a condition made in unless they change their policy. the Agreement. It is, therefore, for the Government to consider now how this recom mendation should be implemented. I would now turn to another important medium of communication, that is, the film. I am fully conscious of the fact that India SHRI MURASOLI MARAN (Madras has one of the largest film production industries South) : What about "price-page schedule ?” in the world. I also appreciate that the You can amend the Constitution and bring potentialities of this country are great and, that Bill also. if properly developed, the film industry can be a great force for public good within the SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : country and also project the image of India These points were made yesterday and certain effectively abroad. There are certain ills suggestions were made. The hon. Members which this industry suffers from and unless know that when we are going to do something, these ills are tackled, the film industry will probably, we will have to amend the Constitu not fulfil its expectations. tion and take np certain measures. 13. hrs. The hon. Members of this House have from time to time expressed their anxiety The high and almost the usurious rate o f about the international news agencies being interest prevalent in the industry, the star the sole purveyor of foreign news in the system and the unconscionably high fees country. We also share this anxiety and it charged openly and sometimes under cover, is the policy of the Government to the control exercised by a small group of encourage the development of an Indian distributors and exhibitors in the context of a international news agency. We are in broad general shortage of cinema houses in the agreement with the suggestion made by the country have led to unhealthy practices o f a bon. Member, Shri S. M. Banerjee, that one commercial nature in an industry vyfeich should of the existing news agencies or a consortium not only provide good and beaUhy entertainment of these news agencies should be developed in but be a source of education and motivation to an international news agency, instead of to the public It has naturally led to * tendency starting a fresh news agency for the purpose. which is apparent, even if it Is not widespread Before this is done* however, it is necessary at present that films cater to the baser to ensure that our news agencies are constitu instincts of the people. I do not wish to name ted on a broad basis so that they cease to be any particular picture in this connection. But under the control of small groups of the Board of Film Qhukms* has been asked to persons. keep a more vigilant *yc on the films. 167 D.G.(Min.of JULY 8, 1971 Inf. and Broadcasting 168 [Shrimati Nandini Satpathyj been decided to provide separately regional news coverage. In fact, a beginning has already A step which the Government contemplate been made and we hope to make this a is to provide a substantially larger capital to more regular feature in future. the Film Finance Corporation in order to enable the Corporation to advance loans to Two other media functioning in this deserving pictures and in a much larger num Ministry are the Directorate of Field Publicity ber. We also visualise that the Films Finance and the Song and Drama Division. Field Publi Corporation will construct or lease cinema city Units are located in different parts of the houses and enter directly in the business of country including outlying areas like the Mizo exhibition and distribution. I would in this Hills, Andaman and Nicobar islands, NEFA, connection seek the co-operation of all State Nagaland, Ladakh, etc. There are at present Governments within whose jurisdiction the exhi 177 Field Publicity Units functioning under bitors' function falls that they should exercise this Directorate and it is proposed to add ten a healthy control on the exhibitors. I would more units every year during the Fourth Plan also request the State Governments to consider period. what steps can be taken to substantially increase the number of cinema houses so that the produ cers do not have to depend on the exhibitors One of the functions of this Directorate helplessly. is to arrange Bharat Darshan tours, especially, for people m outlying areas. Several such My friend from Calcutta, Shri Priya tours have been conducted. These tours are Ranjan Das Munsi, complained about the intended not only to help the people to under film processing facilities in Calcutta not stand the country better and to know about it being sufficiently utilised and also the docu- more but also to bring people of one part mentry film producers of West Bengal not closer to another. The Song and Drama being assigned a reasonably proportionate Division has also been functioning in different number of documentary films of the Films parts of this countiy and its outstanding success Division. I have noted this complaint and we has been the new medium it has developed in the recognise the fact that the Films Division shape of Son-et-lumie with live action on a being centralised at Bombay gives an advantage natural stage and it is proposed to extend it to to Bombay over other centres like Madras some other areas We are aware of some of and Calcutta. the deficiencies and complaints which have been voiced against the Division and this matter SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : is receiving the attention of the Government. What about the Film Council ? Has the proposal been dropped ? Before coming to the end, I hope, the House will permit me to express my gratifica SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : I tion at some of the observations made, am coming to some of the measures that we particularly by Shri Samar Guha, regarding propose to take to remove the ills afflicting the campaign which has been conducted by the film industry. The Government have the various media of this Ministry, parti decided to decentralise the Films Division and cularly by the AH India Radio Station in have units of this Division at Calcutta and Calcutta regarding Bangla Desh. We are aware Madras. A unit of the Films Division of the onerous responsibility which the problem is in fact already functioning in Delhi of Bangla Desh has placed on us. We shall and it is our intention to have the units each certainly try with all means at our disposal to at Calcutta and Madras start functioning support the heroic struggle of the people of within the Fourth Plan period. With these Bangla Desh until they achieve their objective decentralised units, the unbalances which Mr. and until the large number of refugees who Munsi referred to, will, I hope, be rectified. have sought in India shelter find their way back home with dignity and honour. There have al«o been complaints that the newsreels released by the Films Division do I may be permitted to join with the not adequately cover regional news We have Members of this House in expressing my de ided in view of this complaint to have a appreciation of the work done by the All India reg io n a l component of the weekly newsreel sepa Radio in Calcutta and 1 would assure hon. rately from what may be called as news of Members that other stations of the Alft national* and international importance, It has broadcasting in other languages such aft I® J>. G, {Min* of ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Inf and Broadcasting) 170 Engfilh and Urdu as also the External Services Members. No names of Members were o f the AIR are not tasting behind. mentioned. I think I have replied to the main points SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : raised... Some Members asked, are we following socialism, when names of Members are not AN HON. MEMBER : What about given. I think that these are abolutely irrele curbing monopoly ? vant. In taking names, the question of socialism does not arise. SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : I have already said about that. I said about SHRI M. SATYANARAYAN RAO ; the measures contemplated by the Govern Since we are against monopolies, there should ment to have legislation in this matter not be any monopoly about this also. At regarding newsprint regarding advertise present, in A.l R. news we find a monopoly ments and so on and so forth. of a few Members only on this side or that side. I do not understand why only a few SHRI MURASOLI MARAN : Mr. Members should monopolise it. That should Cujral, when he was Minister of this Ministry, not be so. After all, we are also answerable assured that Government were thinking about to the people. the matter of appointment of another com mission, the second Press Commission. What SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : is the present position in this regard ? Are Shri Sbash/ Bhushan mentioned about an you still considering that ? What is the inquiry against the alleged misappropriation reaction to that ? What is the reaction to of funds by the P.T.I. management. Earlier the censorship laws in the light of the stric on some other occasion I had said that it had tures passed by the Supreme Court ? What been referred to the Department of Company about the Khosla Committee report ? You Affairs and they were looking into it... have not said anything about all these matters. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : How does the Department of Company Affairs SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : come into the picture ? Regarding Second Press Commission, I replied when a question was raised by an hon. SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : Member. I said, it is not necessary to appoint They have to look into it. another Press Commission at this moment. si far : tfto sfto 3 tt| o % srrsr Another hon. Member said that names I are not mentioned in the A.I.R. news. A.I.R. tries to give as much as possible, the names SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : of the Members of Parliament. I do not If they find it necessary to send it to the intend to show any disrespect to the Members, C.B.I, they will do it. but, I would appeal to hon Members to realise that it is not always possible for All- SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : I also India Radio to give the names of all the want a C.B.I. inquiry. Members who participated. SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : SHRI M. SATYANARYAN RAO : It is for the Department of Company Affairs Names may be mentioned ; it takes just a to decide to whom they should send it. few seconds. You cannot cover the speeches of a ll; I know it. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : The matter can be referred to the Comptroller SHRI JAGANATH RAO : Last night’s and Auditor-General. He will be the proper news buHetia did not mention the name of person to look into it. any M.P. It said : The Minister of State had >u»t bcsun, she will continue tomorrow ; the Deputy Minister made a brief interven anftfZT SWW MY tion and replied to the points raised by i t o arrfo % s n r o 171 JP. G. (Min. of JULY 8, 1971 Inf. and Broadcasting) 172 wrww 5, 7 *PTcTT % cTT?r 3Tfr*TT eft arr srrq ?fV f%r wr i 5 « §t*TT I SHRI MURASOLI MARAN : When Mr. Abbas challenged the very basis of SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : I the censorship law, the Supreme Court passed hope we shall get something from the Depart certain structures on it. At that time, the ment of Company Affaiis shortly Attorney-General, on hehalf of the Govern ment of India, gave an assurance that Govern *rfsr w t : sfrr % srr^ % ment would bring forward suitable legislation 3TFT % ?Ti t I sraft ST>R incorporating the judgment and also the Government’s decision on the Khosla Com frsrspfcvPT % *T T «TT I mittee’s report. I want to know the reaction of Government. When are they going to SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN bring forward such legislation to change or to (Madurai): Let the Minister say something reorient the censoiship laws. about a broadcasting station at Madurai. Please say at least that you will consider «ft anr« ferret m M : w zm sft, sptt% ^rr ^§ttw i *ft irftwrc sk it * q r w (*Ffc?TT) : *T 3ft «TT ftf nr^7 rr % ^ ^ t bttwrpt forr STq^T qr faffcf «tt i sra pnar «pt w fan ? *ptt S 'f s w S w ®Ft T O 3ffc fJJ* SRTTTwr TOTfT % fa?* y rafig g W faRTC if WTt’ ^T^fr ^Tf^tT I 5*r % c*TT^T f?IfT | ? % am ?r fw w i SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : It is not a question of dropping the idea. We 3TS37W *$3W : t f t 3TN fPTO si# are still considering m what form we can f^CTT I 3TT7 3r«Tfft cTTrT % f e * T f t do it. It is under consideration. ¥T MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Member had SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : been asking a number of questions during the Yesterday, the hon member mentioned hon Minute! *s speech... something like that. I tried to find whether there is any such film, but to my knowledge, SHRI ATAL B1HAR1 VAJPAYEE : If there is no such film. If he could JUadly you permit him, you may kindly allow me indicate to me which is the film and which also to ask a question, ’faapt «f?t is the scene considered objectionable, I will $ i definitely look into It. m />. G. {Min. o f ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Inf. and Broadcasting) 174 SHRI MURASOLl MARAN : What news bulletins is constantly under review about censorship law ? and we are trying to make the language as far as possible understandable to the people. SOME HON. MEMBERS rose— An hon. member asked about a paper MR. SPEAKER: I am not going to from Bihar. It is not possible for me to give allow any further questions. As far the Jan a replay off hand about any particular paper Sangh, their leader has» already asked a here. question. ito j m x (*nr£ sfaur): 'snre SHRI S. A. SHAMIM (Siinagar) : I aw the leader of my Party. s f a f t 'TTfamSfe’ if ff m s z m ^ *rT«r ^sn% 11 srpnr stott MR. SPEAKER : He is a party by spr *r w t fearer t ? 3f7^ himself. & % f^TT -STFT ?fr m *T '7% SHRI S A. SHAMIM : I belong to the 11 Independent Party. «ft 5TT^8R SKITS 3R3T : «Tf sft tie ffrfv rr qfrc % fen trsp n 3fr TO r ^ ? r fspqr sftr TOPTTfnr ST«T fffcft I, ^ % 3T ^r W t TPJTWT f^f^rcT ta T f%r$t 3TT5T% *ft f m v m t fa T O cTSTT 3ft «Tt ST^ft t ^ ^ ^ araFT ?r*r§T *r *r?ff sr^ft i ^ v j ?pTfnr w r v * sft 3*r spt % fv?tT * t 1 1 ■?ro^F3F*r m fa w w % 5?tJr w rfif «Ft *nT5r qw ? «ft frOFfr 3fK fasr m m (%*rfr®rr) : *f% ^ STRft ?T?IST % 4RTT I The Motion was adopted. 13.21 hrs. [The motions for Demands for Grants MINISTRY OF DEFENCE which were adopted by the Lok-Sabba, are reproduced below—Ed ] MR SPEAKER : The House will now take up discussion and voting on Demand D e m a n d N o 5 7 —M in is t r y o r Nos 1 to 5, 111 and 112 relating to the I n f o r m a t io n a n d B roadcasting Ministry of Defence for which 7 hours have been allotted “That a sum not exceeding Rs 21,57,000 be granted to the President to compUte Hon Members present in the House who the sum necessary to detray the charges are desirous of moving their cut motions which will comc in course of payment may send slips to the Table within 15 during the year ending 31st the day of minutes indicating the serial numbers of the March, 1972, in respet of ‘Ministry of cut motions th<*y would like to move Information and Broadcasting’ *’ D em a n d N o 1—M in is t r y o f D em a n d No 58—B roadcasting DEreNCi That a sum not exceeding Rs MR SPEAKER . Motion moved 10.96.61.000 be granted to the President to complete the sum necessary to defray “That a sum not exceeding Rs 81,19,000/- the charges which will come in touise be granted to the President to complete of payment during the year ending the the sum necessary to defray the charges 31st day of March, 1972, m rcspect of which will come in course of payment ‘Broadcasting' ” during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, m respect of ‘Ministry of Defence’," D f m a n d N o 59 -O th i r R e v e n u e ExprNDi iurb of thf M inistry of Information and D em a n d N o . 2—D efen c e S e r v ic f s , Broadcasting E ffect iv e —A rm y “That a sum not exceeding Rs. MR SPEAKER : Motion moved .* 6.74.14.000 be granted to the President to completethe sum nei essary to defray "That a sum not exceeding R&, the charges which will come in course 5.42,50,67,000'- be granted to the of payment during the year ending the President the sum necessary 31st day of Match, 1972, in respect of to comphte to defray the charges which will come ‘Other Revenue Expenditure of the in course of payment during the year Ministry of Information and Broadcasting* ” ending the 31&t day of March, 1972, in respect o f ‘Defence Services, Effective— Army’.” D e m a n d N o . 1 2 9 - C a p it a l O ut la y o f th e M in is t r y o f I n f o r m a t io n a n d D e m a n d N o . 3—D e f e n c e S erviced , B roadcasting E ff e c t iv e -N avy “That a sum not exceeding Rs 8,115,<54,000 MR SPEAKER : Motion moved : be granted to the President to complete the stum necessary to defray the charges “That a sum not exceeding St*. which will come in course of payment 39,52.67,000/- be granted to file FWikfent during the year ending the 31st day of to coniplete the sum necessary 4* 3eft*y 177 D. G. (Min. of ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 178 the charges wbich will come in coursc SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE (Howrah) : of payment during the year ending the The time at my disposal is not enough to 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of deal with the various aspects of the defence ‘Defence Services, Effective—Navy’.” set-up such as the planning of strategy, equip ment and armaments of the three services. D emand N o . 4—D efence Services , Mainly J will deal with some of the basic aspe- E ffective -A ir Force cts of the defence set' uP- MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved : The present defence set-up is inherited by the Government of India from the British on “That a sum not exceeding Rs. the basis of compromise, and after 24 years 1,63,30,00,000/- be granted to the President of Congress regime, if we analyse the policy to complete the sum necessary to defray in regard to defence, we see that there has the charges which will come in course been gradual mounting of expenditure year of payment during the year ending the after year. But there is no basic changs in 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of the policy on the defence set up. The ‘Defence Services, Effective—Air Force’.” Bri'ish developed this set-up to keep India under slavery, to suppress the national move ment ; so, the entire set-up was engaged in D emand N o . 5—D efi-nce StRVicts, the suppresion of people’s freedom struggle. N on -Effective And you know British imperialism was a big colonial power and the ccfence forces were used MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved : to maintain its colonies. So, the entire set-up “That a sum not exceeding Rs. was reactionary from top to bottom. As the inheritors of that reactionary set-up, even 31,53,33,000/- be granted to the President to complete the sum necessary to today we see that this defence set-up is being used even under the Congress regime to defray the charges which will come in suppress the people's democratic movement. course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in It is true that the expenditure has increa respect of ‘Defence Services, Non- sed Even from the published figures, it is Effective’.’* found that in 1968-69, the amount spent was Rs. 1,051 crores; 1969-70 Rs. 1,110 crores ; D emand N o . I l l - D efence C apital 1970-71, Rs. 1,150 crores ; 1971-72, Rs. 1,241 66 O utlay crores. On the average, Rs. 50 crores has been the increase each year. When the “That a sum not exceeding Rs, country is faced with a serious economic crisis, 3,08,85,33,000/- be granted to the President when unemployment is spreading throughout to complete the sum necessary to defray the country, when factories are being closed, the charges which will come in course when agriculture is suffering from want of of payment during the year ending the sufficient irrigation facilities, when the Minis 31st day o f March, 1972, in respect of ter has said hero that for paucity of funds ‘Defence Capital Outlay’.” rural electrification is not extended to the extent necessary, the defence expenditure is D fihand No. 112-O th e r o u t increasing. When this heavy burden i& placed lay of the Ministry of on the economy of the country in the name of D efence strengthening the defence set-up, when the people are suffering from hunger, starvation, MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved : unemployment, price inflation, etc, our entity defence sefup, as it is today, still remains as “That a sum not exceeding Rs. a machinery to defend the state of exploitation 3,06,67,000/- be granted to the President and the vested interests and to suppress to comphte the sum necessary to defray the democratic forces of the country. the charges which will come in course of If we look at the other aspects regarding payment during the year ending the the products, even *fter 24 years, our defence 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of production has made India self-sufficient only ‘Other Capital Outlay of the Ministry of in the case of small arms, gun* and ammuni .Dafeaoc*.’* tions. As regards heavy arms, ft is still 179 D. G {Min. of JULY 8, 1971 Defence) 180 [Shri Samar Mukherjee] huge profits. Our defence js being used for dependent on foreign imps rial ism and foreign making profits for both foreign and Indian aid The defence five year plan is not based monopolists. on making India independent m heavy indus tries, in heavy equipmsnt. AH our electronic When crores of rupees are being allowed instruments for modern warfare, almost all to the monoplists, thj employess are not our aircraft and heavy warships are American getting adequate wages Their demands are products The Americans have downed on us not fulfilled and the amenities demanded by their obsolete war equipment which in tertm them are not provided to them So many of money has cost us Rs 7,000 million What demands have been raised by the workers, is the purpose of the American aid ? There employees and even the trainees like interim was a recent article by Mr Chester Bowles relief to casual workers in MES, the which has appeared in The Statesman where canteen employees should be (rented as govern he has stated. ment servants (which status is denied to them), construction of quarters for civilian employees “Since World War II our military assis in defence, improved pay and allowances for tance outside Europe 1 felt had been given army men, abolition of contract syetem in on the alleged put pose of defence but in MES, conversion of army workshops into fact as a bribe to persuade the recipient production units, removal of discrimination governments to support US foreign between industrial and non-industrial workers, policy.'’ reinstatement of workers, absorption of trade apprentices and so on. These are long-stan ding demands which are not being fulfilled In the case of economy India Government whereas monopoly profiteer* are being allowed is depending on American aid. Similarly, in to amass huge profits from the defence the case of defence this dependence on Ameri department. So, the dependence on both can imperialism means that India Govern foreign and Indian monopoly is still there on ment is not completely free to pursue its for a big scale. eign and home policy in an independent way. Then, the policy inherited from the British to use the army against the people is 13.30 hrs. heavily telling not only on the economy but (Mr . D eputy -Spbaker in the Chair] also on the morale and the strength of our defence forces Sir, how a small country like Not only are we depending on imperialists Vietnam is fighting *he American Imperialism and their aid for 'our defence but collabora is a clear example before us. That is the new tion Agreements have been entered into with policy which only can defend independence, foreign countries in the case of Praga Tools, democracy and the basic rights of the people. Hindustan Aeronautics, Bharat Electronics, It can safeguard the security and sovereignity Goa Docks, Mazagon Docks and so many and territorial integrity of the country. That other projects. Even private companies are requires the basic change in the policy. Ins amassing huge profits through large contracts tead of relying on the people, getting the for production of equipments. masses associated in case of national defence and for the freedom of the country the When we see that surplus staff is declared Government is pursuing the old policy of In defence industry on the one side, at the keeping the defence forces completely isolated same time we see that contractors are getting from the masses and deploying them to orders from the defence departments and they suppress the democratic movements. You are making huge profits. The Comptroller know the example of Korea. It is a small and Auditor-General had stated in his report country but it defeated American imperialism for the year 1969-70 that 3,000 workers in the in 1950 and 1953. Why was it possible ? defence industries had to be retained without any Because the entire people took part in the work with them from June 1969 onwards. The defence of the country. I had the privilege idle time wages paid to these workers from of visiting that country and there 1 have seen June 1969 to February 1970 was Rs. 30 lakhs that not only every worker but the students— So, while on the one side there is idle workers, both boys and girls—are being given training, on the other side we see contractors amassing military training, and peoples* mttitia have 181 0 . G. (Min. of ASADHA 17, 1893 ( SAKA ) Defence) 182 been developed apart from the standing army. SHRI A. K. M. ISHAQUE (Basirhat) : In those countries armies are called peoples’ Can you even now name the Chinese as an armies. Only two years back an American aggressor at this late stage ? ( Interruption) warship, Pueblo, was seized by Korean for* ces. These are the glorious examples which SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : The we must follow. So, if the Indian people are basic difference is that you are calling Ameri relied and given training and peoples’ militia can imperialists as your friend whereas the are formed then Indian defence forces wilt be people of South Vietnam are fighting against tremendously strengthened. But why is it the biggest enemy, that is American imperia not taking place ? Because the government is lists. This is, the difference in approach. The fearful of people being in arms. They are American imperialists are your friend whereas defending exploitation, helping monopoly they are the bitterest enemy to South Vietnam capital to grow in India and factories are people. being closed and a large number of people have become unemployed. That is why dis SHRI K. N. TIWARY : U. S. S. R. is content is growing and the entire State not an imperialist country. machinery is being used to suppress the movement of common man. The policy is to SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE; That is deprive the common people of arms wbillof the a socialist country. But your dependence is big money lenders and capitalists have licen more on American imperialists. U. S. S. R. ces of arms to be used against the poor calls American imperialists as enemy No. 1 peasantry and common masses. This was of the world. You don’t call them so. You the policy pursued by British imperialism and call American imperialists as your friend. you are s ill carrying forward the heritage of that policy. SHRI A. K. M, ISHAQUE : Can you describe what China is ? Sir, our national tasks and national responsibilities can, be fulfilled if the entire SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : Regarding defence services are imbued with the outlook China, China is our neighbour. •• of patriotism and imbued with the spirit of democracy but the defence forces are always SHRI A. K. M. ISHAQUE : That is all ? prevented to have political literature for their And then what ? study. What does it mean ? It was the old British policy that army men should be SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : The absolutely free from politics ..... Government should be aware of it ; even they have accepted that some signs in the change SHRI K. N. TIWARY (Bettiah) : I will of attitude of China have been observed. You repuest you not to cast any aspersion on the see all other countries are eager to extend troops. They have got a very brilliant record their trade relations with China. There is a during the Chinese and PaKistani aggression. conflict between USSR and USA. But you see they are having their trade agreements and SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : I am they are trying to extend the relationship with simply criticising the policy of the Govern China and improve the relations. You see, ment. We want that our entire country’s in today’s papers, even Japan Government are defence forces should be tremendously streng extending their hand of trade relations with thened. That is why I am citing examples of China. Yugoslavia have entered into a trade Vietnam and Korea. They are brilliant agreement with China. Even Canada have examples... got agreements with China. But our country takes no initiative because of the anti-Chinese SHRI K. N. TIWARY : There are bri prejudice and it is fostered by American lliant examples here also as to how our jawans imperialism because you are heavily dependent fought with Chinese and Pakistanis. on America. That is why, to satisfy America, your stand on China has not changed. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : The hangover is there and you are pursuing an SHRI A. K M. ISHAQUE : Why don’t old policy. That is our main attack against you mention China as a 'supporter of Yahya the Government. Khan ? 183 D. G. (Min. of JULY 8,1971 Defence) 184 SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : In our of the country ? That is why my suggestion State policy, we must try to develop better that a radical change in the defence policy relations with neighbours and India Govern must be introduced. Improve our relations ment must take the initiative. with our neighbours. Prune the defence budget by improving our relations'with our neighbours. There is a big disparity in the «cales of Remove the foreign monopoly in the defence pay in the Defence Departments. I may cite industries and formulate a policy of not some examples here The officers arc highly using the armed forces for suppressing the paid where the lower ranks are comparatively people and involve the young people in the very low paid. The salary paid per annum to defence of the country by training and arming army jjoffioers amounts to Rs 420 crores and them and by promoting a new outlook in the odd and the total salary annually disbursed to Armed Forces and by changing the composi about lakh soldiers is about Rs. 290 crores. tion of the various units which are to-day There is a great disparity. In the Navy,'the offi based on religion or caste. Sir, still there are cers get Rs. 4 crores and 62 lakhs while all the units in our country based on caste and reli naval cadets put together get only Rs. 9 gion. This is the heritage of the British. crores and 96 lakhs, that is, 50 per cent of Improve the living conditions of the officers' salary. defence personnel. It is only through these measures that we can increase the defence potential of the country and not by increasing Regarding the Navy, the salaries paid to the defence budget every year. the officers is 15 times that of the Class IV employees. A Second Lt. in the Combatant SHRI NIMBALKAR (Kolhapur) : I Corps starts with a salary of Rs. 400/-as basic propose that the Demands for Grants of the salary. He, compulsorily, through a process Defence Ministry should be sanctioned by the of time promotion rules, reaches a grade of House. Some of the suggestions I have to Rs. 1400 as basic pay minus DA. If selected make in my speech could have been formula for higher promotion, he would reach a grade ted as token cut motions by others, but, I of Rs. 3000/*as basic pay. On the other hand, have desisted from doing so myself because the ranks of Grade A start at Rs. 109 and in effect it would amount to dropping a paltry reached a grade of Rs. 127/ before retirement. penny in a beggar's bowl and asking him to This is how the disparity is theie. The Grade return th« change as punishment for not E rank starts with a salary of Rs. 50/- and looking after himself too well. reaches the grade of Rs. 70 Then the DA of the JCO is only 80% and not even full as in Sir, if we compare our budgetary outlay for the case of civilian government servants. Thus defence with that of not so-wel 1-meaning oppo a sepoy gets a salary much less than a Police sing neighbours on our borders, you will see Constable in Delhi, which is less than a that our provision is a very small flash in the chapptassi in a commercial firm or a class IV pan. China spent over 80 billion dollars on employee in the scrvice of the Central Govern defence and Pakistan has allocated this year ment. This is the disparity and if it is allowed more than half of its budgetary outlay for to continue, discontent is bound to grow and defence. Thus to want to deduct even a the morale of the entire Defence Foices is single token rupee from the Defence budget bound to be affected. That is why my point on any pretext whatsoever is surely an is that Army should not be employed to exercise in cruelty. In effect, we are asking suppress the democratic movements and inside our Defence Minister to cure our evils without the Army there is no democracy. There is using expensive medicines and we are not the bureaucratic discipline There is the court prepared to pay for the protracted treatment martial and field punishment. Even the Army either. men do not get the protection of the court . .. (Interruptions ) This is against the Fundamen tal Rights. This is entirely diffeient from This does not mean we should not make other democratic countries like Vietnam, suggestions-if they are valuable ones, of Korea etc. where the entire people take part in cousse. the massive struggle. That is the outlook. We are totally against this. Here, inside our I am for instance dissatisfied with the Armed Forces when there is no democracy, contention made by the Minister for Defence how can they defend the democratic character Production that we are self-sufficient in small 183 D, G. (Min. of ASADHA 17, 1891 (SAKA) Defence) 1W arms. It is very difficult to say in a defence There ha\e been complaints coming from matter what wc are solf-sufficiemt, unless we outside that some of the items which we know definitely what we have got to face, export to foreign countries are below standard. fives a matter of small arms becomes a very Therefore, Defence may try to help the indus important aspect if for instance a nation try in raising their standards. like ours is suddenly faced with the entire World. Are we self-sufficient in facing Pakis I think Mr. Mukerjee dealt with this tan ? Are we self-sufficient in facing China point. In times of war, we should get the and Pakistan together ? Are our small arms entire nation to help m defence matters and sufficient for the purpose ? So, I think, when if that is to be so, we must take certain steps we talk of self-sufficiency the Defence Minister to teach the people, to bring it to them that should be little more careful, not only because, defence is a very important part of our it does not really mean anything, but also it country’s structure. In fact, the Prime tends to make the nation a little lax in its Minister of Czechoslovakia during his visit attitude towards defence and we don’t want to China himself said that defcnce today that. docs not mean the forces, it means every individual in the country, it means the entire industry of the country and in the event of This matter of self-sufficiency for defence of a war, one must be able to mobilise the has'come about ever since the war with China, entire indus ry and the entire nation. or a little before that. Self-Sufficiency for defence has meant for the Defence people that SHRI 1NDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : But they want to produce their arms themselves he is talking about a country where there is no With the aid of the auxiliary factories. Suppose private sector. an enemy wants to crush our defence effort. There are 8 points on the map of India, If SHRI NIMBALKAR : That is why I these points would be destroyed, then our have said that the private sector should also defence would come to a standstill. This is be included. what we are producing. Our defencc equip ments mainly ate in the public sector—mostly, SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Let him not I may say. They are not, I think, involving quote him in defence of his argument. the private sector sufficiently. Of course, we are a socialist country and we stand for SHRI NIMBALKAR : As long as the socialism. But the point is this. When we private sector exists and is there, we must accept a mixed economy, it is important that mobilise it. we train in defence production not only our public sector but also our private sector. In One of the cut motions that have been the event of a war, the entire nation has to tabled is in regard to the pay scales of our develop and has to fight that war. If we do jawans. I think that it is very important not train private sector which is a part of our that the Defence Minister should be kind economy, the result will be, when a war is on enough to go into this matter and revise the us, the private sector will not be able to help pay scales of the jawans. I think that our us at all. That is like wanting to fight when jawans are the lowest paid jawans in the both your hands are tied to your back. The whole world, and I think that our officers idea of defence is to involve as many in the also... country as possible in defence production. This is also good in peace-time, because, it would ensure, as far as the Industries are con THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI cerned, qnality, because, we know that defence JAGJ1VAN RAM) : How does he say that production items and ordnance items have they are the lowest paid in the whole world ? to be precision instruments. If you take it from the private sector or small scale ssctor, SHRI BRIJ RAJ SINGH-KOTAH their quality should be such as to come up to (JT haiawar) : They get less than the police the standards of defence. That is the point. constable. In this way you help those industries not only for defence supply, but also for supply of SHRI NIMBALKAR : I have got the quality goods ta other sectors also. figures here with me for other countries* and 187 D G. (Min of JULY 8 , 197J Defence) 188 [Shri Nimbalkar] before, they have a bigger task before them I have made the comparison and then 1 have and they have to do bigger jobs for our said this. My contention after such com country. So, even if we were to pay them a parison is that our jawans are very low paid ; little more than for others, I could understand even our officers are very low paid. But in it, because they are doing a better job. actual fact, they are facing a bigger task than many soldiers anywheie else in the world, Apart from this commission, there should because our soldiers have to be trained not also be a commission to look into the living only to fight in the icy heights of the Himala conditions of our jawans, not only on the yas but also in the deserts and they have to plains but also in the Himalayan regions, and be much more an all round sort of force than suggest improvements to the Ministry of any other force perhaps anywhere else in the Defence. world. As such, they are doing a splendid job for us, and it is only our duty that we In conclusion, I would submit that we should go into this matter. I would request are concerned always about what is goin on the kind hon. Minister to look into this for the jawans ; we are concerned with their matter. If he proves me to be wrong, I do welfare and we are proud that they are doing not mind, but 1 have looked into the figures a splendid job for us, and I have compared the figures, and I have a feeling that the soldiers in others countries MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Hon. Members are better paid than our jawans. In fact, may now move their cut motions, with the budget that we have here, I cannot imagine that our jawans could be paid more. SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE (Katwa) : I would suggest that our budget should be I beg to move : much more than what it is now. We should give much more money for our jawans than "That the Demand under the Head Minis we are giving at present. This is where I do try of Defence be reduced by Rs, 100.'* not agree with the hon. Member who spoke before me. He says that every year we have [Undesirability of using military for the been raiting the budget spending by Rs. 50 maintenance of internal peace and crores. At the same time, he says that the security of the country (1)]. entire country should be drilled for war. How are we going to drill the entire country for "That the Demand under the Head defence with this amount ? And yet he com Ministry of Defence be reduced by Rs 100.*' plains that we are raising the defence allot ment by Rs. 50 crores. We have to spend at [Undesirability of using military to kill least a hundred times more than what we are our own people and to crush demo doing today if we are going to drill the whole cratic movements (2)]. country for defence. It is hardly possible to do so with the present allotment. But with DR. LAXMINARAIN PANDEY (Mand- the means that we have at our command, I saur): 1 beg to move : think that our jawans are making a good job of it. I would, however, suggest that our “That the Demand under the Head jawans should be paid more. I also suggest Defence Services, Effcctive-Army be reduced that a commission should be set up, and that by Rs. 100." commission should go into the pay scales of jawans... [Failure to accedo to the demand of the countrymen to manufacture atom- SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM : A pay com bomb (3)]. mission is looking into the matter. “That the Demand under the Head SHRI NIMBALKAR : They should be Defence Services, Effective-Army be reduced asked to give their report early enough. I by Rs. 100 ” would also say that the Finance Minister should make provision for the jawans and [Delay in equipping the army with officers of our Defence Forces so that they most modern and sophisticated arms could be paid more, because, as 1 have said & ammunition & war equipment^)]- 189 D. G. (Min. of ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 190 “That the Demand under the Head “That the Demand under the Head Defence Services, Bffective-Navy be reduced Ministry of Defence be reduced by by Rs. 100." Rs. 100.” [Failure to equip Indian Navy with [Failure to set up recruitment centres the most modern sophisticated arma in the three wings of the Defence ments (5)]. Forces (12)]. “That the Demand under the Head “That the Demand under the Head Defence Services, Effective-Air Force be Ministry of Defence be reduced by reduced by Rs. 100.” Rs. 100.” [Failure to strengthen the Air Force [Corruption and nepotism in the (6)j. recruitments (13)]. “That the Demand under the Head “That the Demand under the Head Defencc Capital Outlay be reduced by Ministry of Defence be reduced by Rs. 100.” Rs. 100.” [Failure to increase the production [Shunting the Explosive Berth to of defencc material (7)]. Cochin when all the other ports rejected it, thereby endangering the “That the Demand under the Head safety of the harbour, the oil refinery Defence Capital Outlay be reduced by and the people in that area (14)]. Rs. 100.” “That the Demand under the Head [Delay in starting the manufacture Ministry of Defence be reduced by of various defcnce equipments (8)]. Rs. 100.” SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR [Poor quality of armaments, medical (Quilon): I beg to move : and other stores purchased from out side (IS)]. “That the Demand under the Head “That the Demand under the Head Ministry of Defence be reduced to Re. 1 Ministry of Defence be reduced by [Double police verification for Rs. 100.” recruits from Kerala (9)]. [Discrimination shown to Jawans in * the matter of food, clothing, “That the Demand under the Head Ministry of Defence be reduced to Re. 1.” allowances and pay scales (16)]. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : I [Giving contracts to the most beg to move ; corrupt bidder In general, with special reference to trucks worth several crores of rupees rusting for “ That the Demand under the Head two years due to non-finalisation of Ministry of Defence be reduced by Rs. 100 ” contract for body-building (10)]. “That the Demand under the Head [Non-payment of interim relief to casual workers in M. E. S. (17)}. Ministry of Defence be reduced by Rs. 100.” “That the Demand under the Head Ministry of Defence be reduced by [Discrimination shown to Kerala Rs. 100/’ State by not setting up a single unit of ammunition or armament factories [Failure to treat canteen employees in that State (11)]. as Government servants (18)]. 391 D. C. (Min. of JULY 8, 1971 Defence) 192 [Shri S. M. Banerjce] [Need for re-instatement of workers “That the Demand under the Head after 1960 strike (26)3 Ministry of Defence be reduced by Rs. 100.” “That the Demand under the Head Minis try of Defence be reduced by Rs. 100.” [Non-utilisation of full manufacturing capacity of ordnance factories (19)] [Non-absorption of trade apprentices in ordnance factories after completion “That the Demand under the Head of training (27)]. Ministry of Defence be reduced by “That the Demand under the Head Minis Rs. 100." try of Defence be reduced by Rs. 100 ’* [Need for construction of quartets [Dental of trade union right to civi for civilian employees in Defence lian defence employees of Jammu (20)]. and Kashmir (28 ij. “That the Demand under the Head ‘That the Demand under the Head Minis Ministry of Defence be reduced by try of Defence be reduced by Rs 100,” Rs. 100.” [Shortage of work m ordnance facto [Need for further improvement in ries (29)]. the pay and allowances of Jawans (21)]. “ That the Demand under the Head Mints- trr of Defcnce be reduced by Rs. 100 ” “That the Demand under the Head Ministry of Defence be reduced by [Non-inclusion of workers’ representa Rs. 100.” tive on the Ordnance Production Board (30)] [Need for abolition of contract system in Military Engineering Service (22)]. PROF. S. L SAKSENA (Maharajganj) : I beg to move : “That the Demand under the Head Ministry of Defence be reduced by “That the Demand under the Head Minis Rs. 100.” try of Defence be reduced to Re. 1.” [Need for restoration of permanent [Failure to arm the forces with nuclear negotiating machinery for civilian weapons (31)]. employees (23)]. “That the Demand under the Head Minis “That the Demand under the Head try of Defence be reduced to Re. 1.” Ministry of Defence be reduced by Rs. 100.” [Failure to increase defence expendi ture and equipping our forces to keep [Need for conversion of army them fit for fighting Pakistan and workshops into production units China together (32)]. (24)]. “That the Demand under the Head Minis “That the Demand under the Head Minis try of .Defence be reduced to Re. 1 try of Defence be reduced by Rs. 100 ” [Failure to remove discrimination in [Failure to improve servioe conditions the scrvice conditions of industrial of armed forces personnel and civi and non-industrial workers (25)}. lians in Defence establishment (33)]. “That the Demand under the Head Minis “That the Demand under the Head Minis try of Defence be reduced by Rs. 100.” try of Defence be loduoed to Re..I." 193 D. G. (Min. of ASHAHA 17, 1893 >SAKA) Dtfence) 194 {Failure to make the country self- it now emeiging more and clearly everyday ; sufficient in Defence production (34)]. attempts are being made to create tension in this whole area—we should not fall a prey to MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The Cut that provocation. Of course 1 admit some motions are also before the House. sort of aggression is already being committed against our borders, though it is a new type of 14.00 hrs. aggiession, a novel aggression, aggression not directly by the army but by driving by force SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Aliporfc) : This is a vast subject and the time is limited. 10 million people, an entire nation, across the I can only dwell on certain aspects of this very borders of a neighbouring country. important part of our national policy. I am rather sorry that few members seem to be I do not know what is in the Government’s interested in this at a time like this. mind because they are very very recicent about these things. The country feels we are drifting SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandiwash) : towards some situation which may land us in Including the Minister of Defence Production. a bigger crisis—1 do not know. But we feel very strongly that the cause of Bangla Desh, which has been unanimously supported by a SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : 1 do not resolution of Parliament calls upon us not to know where he is : may be he will turn up go in for uncalled-for military intervention after he has had his lunch. on our own, but to give every possible support and massive support, and much more support SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM : He is coming. than we are giving today. The Mukti Fouj of the Bangla Dest fighters is the real liberation SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I was hoping army which will one day—I have no doubt in that the Minister might take the opportunity my mind about it—march victorious back into provided by this debate to take this House Dacca and Chittagong and liberate that coun into some confidence or allcast throw some try. ft is our responsibility to do so. We light on the general defence policy Govern need not play hide and seek about it, because ment to pursue at this particular juncture when the Pakistanis also have no business whatso we are facing an extiemely critical situation ever to try to solve their internal problem, if on our borders. But perhaps in the national it is their internal problem, at our expense on interest the Minister will not tell us anything, our territory, which is what they are trying to However, I only want to point out to him that do. Therefore, we have to do something, and provocations of various kinds are definitely the only thing we can do at the moment—-it is going on, perhaps with the aim of stampeding an important thing and a very urgent thing— us into some kind of military action. Just is to see that the Mukti Fouj is given massive now I saw the news which has come in the support of all kinds necessary—1 do not wish afternoon that today also, for the third day in to spell it out here—so that they are able in succession, Pakistani artillery has been shelling creasingly to wage that liberation war against the Petrspole area on our side of the border. Yahya Khan’s military hordes. I feel that This kind of incidents is multiplying and will ; enough is not being done, and I must mention I feel that behind it there is a calculated move once again that we feel, and many people in of provocation by the Pakistani side to try and this House feel even on that side, that an embroil or stampede us into some kind of essential part of that aid to the Mukti Fouj is military action. the question of recognition of Bangla Desh. Though it does not fall strictly within the I want to say on behalf of my party that defence Ministry, 1 feel that the two cannot be we are not in favour of military action or artificially separated from each other. And military intervention from our side. Of if the Mukti Fouj is really to be given the course, if we are attacked, that is a different wherewithal to liberate its own country, then matter. That does not require any argument. recognition of Bangla Desh is an absolutely If there is aggression against the country, we integral political counterpart of that. Some must be fully prepared to meet it and we day or other we will have to stand before the should not be afraid to meet it also. But world and say whether we choose between the short of that, simply because somebody is Banga Bandhu on the one tide and the Butcher trying to provoke us and behind the provocatof of Dacca, Tika Khan, on the other. You there is also the hand of imperialism ; we see have to decide which Authority is ruling in East 1*5 D. G. (Min. of JULY S> 19-71 Defence) 19* (Shri Indrajit Gupia] various parts of our country today have much more deep-rooted political, social and Pakistan. So, I feci that recognition must economic motivations which cannot be solved come, and along with recognition, the Mukti simply by a show of force by the Army. They Fauj must be given all possible help to perform have to be solved by political and economic its historic role of liberating its own home* measures, and by making the police adminis* land (ration do the job for which it is paid, which it is not doing in many places. The Army is But our own armed forces have to be in not the substitute, the Army is not meant for state of the utmost readiness because we do this job. The Jawans are not used to this job, not know what the other side will do. All and the Army should not be made to start provocations and tensions are being created, thinking that it alone can sustain the civil atid even a stage may come when aggression power in this country against internal strains is launched against us. So, at this moment and stresses. It is a veiy dangerous thing We certain things are of the topmost importance should learn from the experience of many if we are to keep in a state of preparedness. neighbouring countries. We do not want the Army to be put in a position where it starts to think that the civil power cannot be The first one I would like to deal with is maintained except with the help of the Army. the qustion of the morale of the armed forces. My hon. friend Shri Samar Mukherjee has dealt with it from a certain aspect. 1 do not Just another aspect of this is the use of agree entirely with the way he put it, but the Territorial Army to break strikes, there is some truth in what he said. 1 think especially of Government employees. There there is a slow creeping process going on for have been many recent examples m the posts some time in our country, and it is being and telegraphs, railways, ports and docks and accelerated, of exposing the armed forccs so on. 1 may say that strictly speaking, this personnel, physically exposing them, to certain particular use of the Territorial Army Act political influences, which 1 consider to be which lays down quite clearly what the undesirable for the morale of the Army. This declared purposes of Terntorial Army are, is contrary to all our past traditions. 1 am not and whai kind of national emergency alone referring to pre-independence traditions, I am justifies its use in aid of the civil power. No referring to the traditions during the last 24 such emergency has been declared. But the years, where we were proud of the fact that Territorial Army is being used repeatedly our Army is the one organised force in this against normal strikes. I am afraid this will country which is not subject to political pulls bring the army more and more into disrepute and pressures. But what is happening now. in the eyes of the general public. It is not a increasingly in the name of aid to the civil good thing at all. power, is something which is very disturbing. The Minister may say “What can we do Then there is a very anomalous situation when in some parts of the country there is into which the soldier is put who also happens such a situation that the police cannot tackle to be a worker, that is to say, a worker who it and the local Government says that it has enrolled himself in the Territorial Army. wants the help of the army 7 We have to send He is put in a position where he has to the army”. But please see the thing in i ts choose between his loyalty to his feliow- totality. With its traditional training to fight workers and his obedience to the Territorial a war, the Army is being increasingly asked Army rules, if he refuses to go and break a to play the role of a glorified policeman. It is strike, then he is subject to court-martial. playing the role of a glorified policeman, and And if he goes and performs the Territorial is at the same time bound hand and coot by Army duty to break a railway strike or a its own doctrine of “minimum force”. They post and telegraph strike, then how do you have their own rules and regulations. This is think his feilow-workers who are not in the bound to have a demoralizing effect without Territorial Army will regard him ? This is achieving the desired ends, because recent really an indirect form of cocrcion. What I experience shows us that problems of what am concerned with is that it is producing a are called taw and order—I would of course, demoralising influence both on the army and make an exception in the case of communal among the public who cotrvs to regard the tiott—as they are manifesting themselves in army in a way which is net desirable at an. 197 i>. G. (Min. o f ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 198 Then, thirdly, 1 would just like to mention Colombo. According to my reports, Indian one thing. 1 do not want to develop it in airmen who were sent with helicopters and so detail, because I do not know what the on were not very happy also to having to Government’s view point was ; they have not operate against those half-starved unemployed told us anything yet about it. Was it absolutely ycungmen who were hiding in the jungles essential—I do not know— to send our people belonging to a different country. We should be again to assist the Government of Ceylon in very careful about these things. crushing an internal insurgency in that country ? We saw a very curious spectacle in Then I come to the service conditions of Ceylon ; we saw a peaceful co-existence of the personnel in the defence services Of course, Indian arms, Pakistan arms, Soviet aims, the several speakers have mentioned it. So, 1 do United States arms, and the United Kingdom not want to go into the details. A very vital arms,—all going there at the call of the Ceylon thing for improving and maintaining the Government— morale of the army, particularly at this stage, would be to improve the service AN HON. MEMBER : Chinese army. conditions, especially of pay and allowances. The Minister will tell us that the matter is SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : The Chinese before the Pay Commission. Well, that may were on the other side ; not according to the be the procedure. But I am only curious to Ceylon Government. The Government of know whether there is anything in the present Ceylon had gone out of its way to make a law or set up which makes it essential that the statement that the Chinese had nothing to do cause of the jawans for better pay and with all this, and not a single foreign weapon al owanocs can be argued before the Pay has been found. Otherwise, there would Commission only by General Manckshaw. have been a lot of hullabaloo about it. General Manekshaw has come out with a big statement, or at least that was his memoran DR. RANEN SEN (Barasat) : The dum to the Pay Commission which came out Chinese have denounced that movement in in the press in a summarised form, where the Ceylon. Army Commander is pleading for better pay and allowances for all the army ranks from SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Yes ; the the jawans right up to the lop where he has Chinese have openly denounced that movement suggested certain scales, this, that and so on. also. I am not going into that. I do not want But I would like to know what is the proce to go into that. The theme that I am deve dure. If the Pay Commission is to be the loping is that we should be cautious in final arbiter, then is the case of the jawans, exposing our army, our armed forces, to such or in the case of the navy or the air force the type of political influence, whether inside our cause of the other ranks allowed to be pleaded country or outside, which may have a tendency before the Pay Commission only by the to demoralise them. This is something which respective commander, namely, the Chief «f is new. Our army was insulated against all Naval Staff or Chief of Air Staff ? I am such things in the past. I know our army asking this question because there is a big went abroad several times to buttress the gap in the thinking on the subject between prestige and the reputation of the United that of the jawan and of the higher officers. Nations. We are proud of the fact. Mr. U I do not think this is a satisfactory way of Thant should remember it today, that the doing things. prestige and the reputation of the United Nations was upheld in the Congo, in the Gaza strip and in North Korea, by the contingents I now come to the question of defence of the Indian army, and, if they had not been production, being inspired by the presence sent, the United Nations would have been put of the new Minister after his lunch which I in a difficult position. But we do not find the hope he has enjoyed. I can only rapidly go United Nations and its Secretary General through a few of the important points. A lot regarding our problems and our crisis today has been said in this little book about defence in a reciprocal light. As far as Ceylon is research and development, the importance of concerned, my reports are—I do not know which cannot be denied by anybody. X know how f*r they are true—-that the public of the Research and Development Wing in Gey*e* were not very happy to see Indian defence has done very good work. But out of & troop* stationed around the airport in total budget of Rs. 1,200 crores the amount 199 D. G (Mm of JULY 8, 1971 Deft nee) 200 [Shri Indrajit Gupta] designs are prepared m Roorki or some allotted for research and development in where The product is designed somewhere 1971-72 is less than Rs 19 crores I think and on the production line at Ishapur it has this is not a very good indication of the urge to be translated and 1 am told that 2,000 to move faster towards self-reliance in defence modifications had | Shri Indrajit Gupta] could have saved all this money. This is how much this defence expenditure will ulti also a criminal matter-some new type of food mately go up to because if the Pay Commission a ration which has been developed for our and I hope it does, agree to increase the pay Jawans probably at high altitude, some kind and allowances, etc. of our armed forces, there of thing which is called soft bar. This is is going to be a very big increase. Even now, supplied by private sector. I don’t know perhaps, 50 per cent of our total dcfcnce ex whether that gentleman has gone who was penditure goes lo salaries and allowances, as championing the private sector. You see here far as I can see. Now, particularly, in defence how many lakhs of rupees woith of this type matters, dccause the whole nation’s security of ration have been found to be of a bad qua* depends on it, every single naya paisa which lity, sub-standard and of deteriorating quality. is spent counts And it is criminal, 1 will say, This is the stuff which our Jawans are supposed for wasteful expenditure and for avoidable to eat when they are manning our forward losses to be incurred and to continue to be posts. at high altitudes and lakhs of rupees incurred in this sector. have been lost. This stuff could neither be used or given back and any compensation got. This is all Audi or-General’s comments. Where are you going to get so much money from ? There is a limit to our resources. By Then there is the transport aircraft which the taxation effort, you cannot go on increasing were modified with the help of foreign experts. and increasing, from Rs 1200 crorcs to perhaps The sanctioned amount by the Government Rs. 2500 crores of defence expenditure. If we was £ 454,000 and ultimately we had to pay do it, we will have to undergo some more them £ 910,000 and for what ? For modifying severe privations on othet things. some aircraft for very veiy important persons’ use—-VVIPs’ use. Some transport aircraft have What I mean to say is this. We have to to be coverted so that they could be used by provide better pay and allowances for the Ministers and other very important persons. jawans. Thercfoie, you will have less money For that this expenditure was incuned—double left with to do other work. Evei y single that of what was sanctioned was ultimately naya paisa must be properly husbanded and paid to these foreigners Aftei conversion spent to see that maximum possible utilisation each has 22 scats and a sofa. These aircraft is got out of it. are meant for journeys by senior officers apart fiom the Ministers But a sample study of Sir, if you go through this Report of the the use of these aircraft shows that on the Comptroller and Auditor General, you will find average each flight carried 4 to 5 passengers so many disquieting things. It is like reading only. This is the stuff for which the Defence the PAC Report about the Hindustan Steel or Budget had to pay 900,000 pounds to some the Heavy Electricals or something like that. foreigner ? To provide a few aircraft to carry It should not be like that. This is a matter very important persons with a sofa set when of defence for which the nation has been asked only 3 or 4 people are travelling in that air since 1963 to gird up its loins and pay the craft ? Such kinds of things cannot be allo maximum and sacrifice the most, because the wed to go on. nation's security is at stake Similarly, you find so many things here. But what do you find here ? I have not I would also in conclusion say that we do not much time at my disposal. 1 will just refer want our Army officers also to behave to one or two things. I am not referring to like officers of Railways or Government small matters Here, they talk of machines officers. Please look into the question of the lying idle for four years or over in Factory misuse of staff cars which is going on on a "A” costing Rs. 8 7 lakhs and in another huge scale just like in many other Government factory there are machines lying idle for four Departments. Military staff cars being used years. The result is that because these machi for private and personal purposes. Then, nes could not be put into use, the things military orderlies who are allotted to the officer*, which could have been manufactured by these just like Railway Officers, the Army officers machines are being imported from abroad. employ them as worker in their houses to take The value of imports during that period was the children out and to do the wife*$ shopping Rs. 179.70 lakhs. Whereas, if these machines in the bazaar. Samething is going on with had been pur into use, after being Installed, we the military orderlies attached with tt» 205 />. 0. (Min. of ASADHA IT, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 206 mHftary officers, not perhaps in every case, this class or that class, this caste or that caste but in so many cases. These things are all and there are a thousand divisions into which inherited from the British days. Sir. We Indian socicty is divided. cannot go on like this when we are facing such a critical situation. Therefore, 1 would request The first responsibility of the Government you to go into all these matters because 1 feel ib to see that this communal viru, is eradi that the Defence Budget has to be cut down cated, It is only thereafter after wc can see, that and pruned as far as possible because it is we are working on safe grounds, in respect of going to increase from the other end. Pay and our national security, in defending the borders allowances are going to increase. So, we of our country. have to cut our coat according to the cloth. Please take some energetic steps and also in A new generation has grown up in this form us kindly at the end of this debate as to country. They want to participate in the what sort of dcfence policy you are contem national affairs and we have to recognise this plating at this moment when this type of situa fact For 23 years we have followed more or tion exists on our borders. I would say even less a sort of isolationist policy and in the a threat of aggression or war is before us. The coursc of the last 4 or 5 years we have had House wants to be reassured that you are trea comparative political instability. We have ting this on a really emergency footing and pledged a sociolist transformation of society. when the need comes and when the time comes, We have pledged ourselves for the upliftment then our Defence Fortes will be able to play of the common man. We should now have the part for which we have paid. ail evaluation of our isolationist policy. This is necessary either in respect of Bangla Desh SHRI B. V. NAIK (Kanara) : Sir, I rise or eastern border or northern border or western to support the demand of the Ministry. In border or for safeguarding the national regard to the points made by the previous honour. speakers, I would say that I would not like to dwell upon them I feel that in spile of all I now come to the armed forces, the navy that was said till now, as far as the Ministry and the airforce. Their task depends on the of Defence is concerned, there cannot be in question, “Are we going to follow isolationist existence a dcfence policy as such, because 1 policy ?” This House has to know about it. feel that the Ministry of Dcfcnce has to func The various Ministries connected with Defence tion in the capacity of action system or a wea have to provide a positive answer. The ques pon system. The policies that are framed by tion is this., What is the flexibility and mobi other Ministries will have to be implemented lity of the armed forces and the three wings of by this Ministry. It depends upon our coun defence apparatus, in the case of limited war, try's external policy. It depends also upon medium war, and unlimited war ? I think that country home policy, namely the maintenance was the question asked by Mr. Nimbalkar. As of internal peace or law and order and parti for the limited one. wc have been prepared, cularly communal harmony. and our credibility has been established and there is a considerable sense of security. But While I would not completely subscribe to in regard to the unlimited wars, 1 do not know certain point of view expressed by Mr. Indrajit because there have been no antecedents. In Gupta, I would like to point out that so far these circumstances, it will be necessary for us as communal outbreaks are concerned, there to plan ourselves, because we are a fantastically should be absolutely no qualms on our cons large country, second only to our north-eastern cience that the army is u&ed wherever it is neighbour. We shall have to see how we fit necessary for the suppression of these commu in this global pattern of armament of dis* nal riots. In a state of emergency such as the sarmament. present time, any outbreak of communal ten sion or act of provocation will itself weaken our You will agree with me, Sir, that approxi country much more than even an external mately two-thirds of the world’s population of, aggression. We should, therefore, be cautious let us say, roughly about 300 crores of people about this enemy within ourselves. This enemy or 3000 million people, about 200 crores of is within our system, within our body-politic, them, have been adequately covered up by what in our political thinking ; we classify people we can call as nuclear umbrella or nuclear into belonging to this religion or that religion, deterrent or nuclear weapons system or what* 207 D. G. M in. of JULY 8, 1971 Defence) 208 [Shri B. V. Nayak] use our covering ourselves with blinkers when ever we may call it, or by the power of the we deal with a hard reality of national security atoms. But it is the unfortunate one*ihird as well as national honour. who need protection I would give account for this two-thirds. If ve take the whole of the On the immediate question, much has been USA and the USSR, which only accounts for said, and many wise words have already been about 40 crores of population ; if we take the spoken. whole of Western Europe which has been covered by the NATO, if we take the various I would now come only to the question of multilateral agreements between the countries our civilian control of the Army. There has been recently and very justifiably a considera and then if we take China with its 70 crores of ble amount of argument in favour of the com* people we shall find that in the nuclear arese- nal or nuclear cover for this world, there is a mitted services. I am all for the committed big gap and a substantial portion of this big services. But I would say this ; If the Indian gap is occupied by this country and that about Army or our Defence Force people are not 50 to 55 crores of the world’s population re committed, then who else are ? I would not put them in the same category as civilian ser presenting nearly one-sixth live without any vices. These people in the defence forces sort of protection in the form of a deterrent or a retaliation for their own self-protection. I have pledged their lives It is not the same case with the people working in the civilian am, therefore, saying, as representing perhaps services in this country. the new breed that is trying to step into the public life of this country that the policies that In these circumstances, whether it is a we have inherited from our elders and which question of the recommendation of the Pay were basically pacifist and which have stood Commission or whether it is a recommendation the test of time and which were positive in that has been made to the Ministry of Defence their own way may need some re-examination by the Chief of our army, some re-examination I wonder, though I would not stress my point does seem to be necessary, for these are people to the point of extreme, whether the time has who have pledged their lives and have com perhaps not come for us to re examine certain mitted themselves to a very great extent for fundamental precepts that have guided our defending the nation at the cost of their lives. actions in the course of the last 23 or 25 years, The so-called old British concept of the superio because besides our idealism, we shall have to rity of the civilian services over the armed face certain amount of realities and the hard services was maintained and was necessary facts of life. perhaps in the good old days for the mainte nance of the supremacy of the babu ; the I would say that the answer to the first babu's concept of the Government; that has two questions, namely whether we are going today been taken over by the elected ruler, to remain isolationist or we are not going to namely the Minister of Defence and the Minis remain isolationist, and whether we are pre ter of Statt for Defence Production. pared for a limited war - 1 am sure the answer to these is ‘ Yes’ — and whether on the other Under these circumstances, a re-evaluation hand we are prepared for an unlimited war, will have to be made of this concept and a for which there is still a big question-mark, square and fair deal for these committed because, we see the emerging patterns of the and valiant sons of our country will have to world friction... be given. SHRI S. A. SHAMIM (Srinagar) : No SHRI O. VISWANATHAN (Wandiwash) : war ; all peace. Before sanctioning more than Rs. 1200 crores to the Defence Ministry for this year, let as SHRI B. V. NAIK : I wish we could say see how they have spent, or wasted, money so, and we could pray for peace, but then in the past. From the appropriation accounts there is no guarantee for peace. of the Defence Services for 1969-70, I find that the number of audit objections outstand When we see the Sino-Russian border, the ing on 30-9-70 is 1,20,000; the number of Si no-Indian border or the Indo-Pakistan border cases of losses awaiting regular isation for or if we see Western Asia, we find that these more than one year is 304 amounting to are some of the areas of friction, but it is no Rs. 4.54 crores, outstanding dues to the 209 D. a . (Min. of ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 210 Defenoe services for stores supplied and The strength of our Army is maintained services rendered is Rs. 5.81 crores and out within the ceiling of 8,28,000. Doubts have standing dues to ordnance factories is already been expressed jvhether we can Us. 3.71 crores. The total amount of losses on afford to stick to this ceiling. We have to account of cash vouchers, overpayments and reconsider this issue in the lighf of the news irrecoverable claims due to thefts, fraud and that Pakistan is now raising two divisions, other things which have been written off come some reports say it is five divisions, with the to Rs. 1.85 crores. If this is the result of a help of the Chinese. If at all there is a war, random sampling audit, we can imagine the it is not going to be in one sector. Peking totality of losses in the Ministry. For a loss and Islamabad will compel us to fight a war of Rs. 23 lakhs, not even the holding of a on many fronts. I am glad that the teeth to court of inquiry is considered essential and tail ratio is being continuously increased no individual was held responsible. These through restructuring within the Army losses show how reckless and irresponsible the Ministry is in spending the taxpayers’ hard- Pakistan is acquiring military equipments earned money. from all directions and those countries are encouraging indirectly Pakistan’s aggressive The Report says that China maintains policies against India. The recent decision of about one lakh troops in Tibet and that this the U S A. to supply arms to Pakistan is a strength can be substantially increased at short stab in the back of India. notice by the induction of additional troops, and about 50 per ccnt of the total troops are During the last six or seven weeks at deployed on our borders. Referring to the least three Pakistan ships have sailed- from Chinese nuclear strength, the Report says that New York carrying military supplies even China has been laying considerable emphasis though the U. S ban on such shipments has on the production of ballistic missiles with supposedly been in effect since March 25 when nuclear warheads. According to an estimate, the civil war broke out in Bangla Desh. On China is capable of producing 40 nuclear 29th June a fourth Pakistani freighter was bombs every year of 20 kiloton capacity. She loca'ed in New York harbour to carry arms may now have a stockpile of about 150 and the leports say that within the next five nuclear bombs and a smaller number of or six weeks, four more ships may carry thermonuclear bombs. similar loads to Pakistan. No doubt, Government admit that this poses a threat to our national security, but At first we thought that shipment was they believe China will not use it for political only due to bureaucratic blunder. But thanks blackmail. 1 do not know how the Ministry to Senator Edward Kennedy, we found out states it. The nuclear bombs may not give that it was a deliberate decision by the Nixon China any decisive advantage in its strategic Administration. The Deputy Assistant position, but our Government cannot deny the Secretary of State, Mr. Christopher Von fact that it has helped her to secure immunity Hollen, stated before the Senate Subcom from aggression. The power gap between mittee on Refugees that the U.S. had not India and China is widening. What have we imposed a formal embargo on either military done in this regard ? Have we any deterrents supplies or economic aid to Pakistan because which would discourage our enemies from that would be an unwarranted intrusion in the attacking us and also lesson the possibility of internal affairs of Pakistan and would hamper our involvement in small wars ? Certainly the U.S. ability to carry on productive political not. Hence I want to rethinking of our relationship with Pakistan and thus persuade nuclear policy. it to mend its ways. The Report mentions about the manu Despite the unwise and irresponsible facture of missiles by Bharat Dynamics Ltd.. decision of the Government of the U.S.A.. Hyderabad, but we do not know what kind of public opinion, and particularly the opinion missiles are going to b? produced, Our of the Senate, is in favour of India. We have Minister of Defence production may not dis to thaok Senator Kennedy, Mr. Chester close the range of those missiles etc. Let us Bowles and some leading newspapers for their hope {hat these m is sile s would not compete sympathy to Bangla Desh. 1 hope wisdom with the Thutaba rockets I will dawn on the U.S. Administration also. 211 D. G. (Min, of JULY 8,1971 Difince) 212 {.Shri G Viswanathan] also being considered to manufacture a Keeping the Indian Ocean as a free zone military freighter version of HF-748. has been proved to be a pious wish. The Compared to the air strength of Pakistan, Super Powers are there already. Chinese ours may seem to be adequate but if the and Pakistani presence in the Indian Ocean is Chinese Air Force is involved in a war we increasing. Let me remind you that once it shall definitely be in a desperate position. was a Chola lake. Even now Pakistan after its purchase of aircraft from the United States and France Both Pakistan and China are building up has more modern aircraft than ours No their naval strength China has given doubt we are taking steps to modernise our priority to its navy next only to nuclear Air Force but that is not suflie'ent weapons, and she is going to have submarines with nuclear engines The Nasik division of the HAL has just produced the first MIG 21, to which Mr. Our destroyers and frigates arc old and lndraiit Gup* a referred. We have to speed up obsolete. When Mr. P. C Sethi was the the production in our MIG plant if we want Minister of Defence Production, he made a to achieve modernisation statement that the Government planned to manufacture a naval submarine in the country. Our strength is very poor in maritime But 1 do not know what happened to that reconnaissance aircraft. If the waters around our shores are to be kept under constant SHRI BRIJ RAJ SINGH-KOTAH watch and surveillance we need long range (Jhalawar) : It has gone under the water. reconnaissance aircraft. SHRIG VISWANATHAN: I do not The Defence Ministry’s report for 1965-66 find any reference to it in the Report. It stated that a factory would be set up must have gone along with Mr. Sethi. to manufacture radar and microwave equip ment. After five long years, now we are It is time to plan the future of our navy told that the second factory of BEL at Ghazia- both for offence and defence. I am glad that bad would manufacture radar and microwave the Southern Naval Area at Cochin has been equipment. It will take another three years. upgraded. I request the Minister to develop The country cannot tolerate such delays in a Tuticorin as a naval base which will be of Ministry which is responsible for the security vital importance to the defence of the southern of the nation part of our country. Let me now turn to the question of Ban Again, the Defence Ministry should press gla Desh which is inextricably mixed with the for the Sethusamudram Project which will help problem of the defence of our country. We our ships to go from the western coast to the are facing a formidable problem which is eastern coast and vice versa without entering deplorable that the annual report of the De foreign or international waters. fence Ministry keeps mum on the subject. I do not find anything about Bangla Desh except I take this opportunity to request the one sentence in the report: "With the recent Defence Ministry not to build any multi- developments in East Pakistan, hopes that a storeyed buildings in the Island Grounds in democratic Government responsible to the Madras because it is the only ground available people and responsive to their wishes would in that city. This request has been made by emerge in Pakistan and that such a Govern the Government of Tamil Nadu and the alite ment would adopt a less aggressive posture of the city. I hope the Ministry will shelve vis-a-via India have receded.” that proposal. The Pakistani army cracked down on the We are told that the trainer version of the freedom fighters under the leadership HF-24 aircraft is going to be manufactured. of Sheikh Mujibbur Rahman on 25 Match. We know the story of it. Agreements were Since then the world has been witness to the signed between the Government of India atrocities of the Pakistani armed forces, the and France to manufacture SA-315 helicopters genocide that is going on in Bangla Desh. at Bangalore and a modified version of More than sixty lakhs of people have been MIG-21 known as MIG-21 M by HAL. It is driven out to India as refugees and tibeir 213 D. G. (Min of ASADHA 17, 1893 {SAKA) Defence) 214 number is swelling day by day. India's border nition of Bangla Desh. If the Congress MPs is often violated and a number of our border have changed their mind as a reaction to the security forces were either killed or kidnap Jan Sangh, let me request our Jan Sangh ped. friends to agitate for non-recognition so that the Congress Party would agitate for recogni Naturally there is complete unanimity of tion. public opinion regarding the issue of recogni tion ; if there is any difference of opinion The armed forces are there to defend the it is only in regard to the timing of the country, but are we really defending the recognition. Surprising I find only one dissen interests of national security, when Pakistan ting voici in this country, that of the former is driving millions of people into India ? Are Chief of Staff General Cariappa. Thank God, we defending the nation when Pakistan is he is only the fot mer Chief of Staff. I have openly committing a demographic aggression much regard for the General and his services against India ? The Defence Minister has to to the nation. He has stated in Coimbatore anwer the question. that ‘it is neither morally nor legally proper to give recognition to Bangla Desh ; giving None of us are here for jumping into a recognition is against the policy of Panch war. We would like to arrive at a political Sheei.’ When public opinion in this country settlement on Bangla Desh problem. But is and other countries including Britain, USSR it possible and piacticable under the present and even the USA is against the cold blooded conditions ? Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and murder by the Pakistani forces, Gen. Cariappa other leaders of the Awami League are either says that Pakistani forces had to take action imprisoned, killed or driven out. On top of to maintain the nation's integrity. I never this comes the broadcast of President Yahya expected such an unwise statement from the Khan on the 28th of June, where he stated General. that be will not accept the Awami League as a political party. It is ironical that when Jayaprakash- narain who has been preaching peace for The Government expect that the refugees decades says that the country, the Govern will go back in six months, and we are reques ment and the people are ‘unworthy if they are ting the super-powers and the world com not prepared for a war*, General Cariappa munity to bring pressure on the military lea who had war as his career puts it philosop ders of Islamabad. 1 do not share the opti hically and refers to the utter futility of war mism of the Government that the military as a solution in human affairs. But in the junta in Pakistan will agree for a negotiation next sentence he justifies the blockade of ships with the leaders of Bangla Desh unless we carrying arms to Pakistan. I do not know force them to come to the table. if there is a peaceful blockade, a blockade which would not result in war. There are some people in this country who would prefer to absorb the 60 lakhs of refugees 15. bn. and obtain aid from the world community rather It is unfortunate that the Government of than resort to any action which would escalate India is still labouring under the policy of a war. It is not a question of absorbing the indecision regarding the recognition of Bangla refugees But it is also a question of having Desh. I thought that the Government would a dominant military on our borders. We will be compelled to give recognition in view of have to choose between these two even though the unanimity of opinion among all parties, both of them a unpleasant. including the ruling party. But I am surpri sed the Congress Parliamentary Party has The Director of the Institute for Defence changed its position. A fortnight back, there Studies and Analysis Mr. Subramanian, has was a demand by the Congress MPs for gone into the implications, consequences immediate recognition, now they have changed and repercussions of a war in his interesting their attitude. What has brought about this and instructive paper on Bangla Desh and change, I do not know. Nothing has happened India’s national security. According to the in these days except a resolution passed by pamphlet published by the Department of the Jan Sangh to demonstrate before Parlia Rehabilitation, we will have to find Rs. 600 ment Home for demanding immediate recog crores per annum for six million refugees* The 215 D G. (Mm of JULY 8, 1971 Defence) 21* [Shu G Viswanathan] “The defeat of the people of Bangladesh refugees are not definitely going back in six will be the defeat of India. Either we months It is only a pious w.sh In that will emerge as a strong nation from the case, we will have to spend on refugees foi present crisis or we will disintegrate ” years together Apart from the iccurnng expenditure on refugees, on action no Bangla SHRI 1NDER J MALHOTRA (Jammu) Desh will result in increased communal ten Sir, toddy wc are faced with a very difficult sion in Bengal and others parts of the country, situation not only in the eastern side due to continuous animosity between India and the influx of refugees from Bangladesh, but Pakistan erosion on the credibility of the even on the northern borders of our Jammu Indian Government, especially in Bangla Desh and Kashmir State with Pakistan, we are and West Bengal, a fui ther sharply deteriora faced with a new threat of border violation ted security situation in eastern India and the from Pakistan Yesterday in this House likelihood of Pakistan cieating troubles in there was a calling attention motion and the Kashmir border Home Minister said that no infiltration has taken place there A similar assurance was Those who advocate ‘no action’ offer no given in 1965 also 1 know we are in a better solution to the problem except quoting Mahat position today than we were m 1965 There ma Gandhi and non violence Let me remind is no doubt about it, but at the same time, them it is the same Mahatma Gandhi who I would urge upon the Government to be more said '‘If I have to choose between violence and vigilant, As I come from that area, I know cowardice, I will choose violence ” Many of that infiltration has never stopped in Jammu us are still haunted by the horrors of the and Kashmir It has been going on conti second world war and the present war which nuously It is a different matter that at is going on in Viet Nam According to exp* certain times, the number of infiltrators has erts, India and Pakistan cannot fight a conven decreased and at ccrtain times it has increased tional war of unlimited duration, and the war 1 know the practical difficulties m stopping will come to an end in a short period of not infiltration completely It is not possible more than three months unless the super po But I would humbly urge upon the Govern wers intervene China cannot become a steady ment to be more vigilant and make all the and basic source of supply of arms to Pakis agencies—whether they are security forces or tan so long as Pakistan is having US equip the CRF or BSP or any other force stationed ment China, with its more than one lakh all along the border of Jammu and Kashmir— troops m Tibet, or even double that number, to be more vigilant if tt chooses to intervene, could push through our northern borders But it will be difficult There is another very important aspect m for the Chinese to stay longer on this side of safeguarding our borders While it is neces the Himalayas In the 1962 war, when there sary for our armed forces to be in a high state was only a limited resistance from our side, of morale and well-equipped, it is alto it took the Chinese one month to reach the important that pnonty should be given to foothills of Thagla ridge Moreover, it will looking after the needs of the civilian popu be very difficult for the Chinese to bring heavy lation who live all along the border 1 would equipment to our side mainly talk about the Rajouri-Poonch area, which is a very sensitive area Not cnJy The report say-, that the 1965 war cost two wars with Pakistan have been fought Rs. 50 ciores Now even if it costs ten times there, but there the actual infiltration took that amount or more, the count ly must be place from Pakistan in 1965 and for 25 days, prepared to spend it The people rrust be the infiltrators were virtually in physical con prepared to sacrifice and the country must be trol of that area Large sections of the ready to face any eventuality Let me assure population who live m this area have some the Government that all of us will solidly times crossed over to the Pakistan occupied stand behind them in then effort to reach an area of Jammu and Kashmir, and they have honourable and just settlement on Bangla come back to our area and rehabilitated and desh settled in our area Considering the difficul ties that these people are facing today and Let me conclude with the woids of Shri their developmental needs, I would urge upon Jayaprakash Narayan the Central Government that the betterment 217 D. G. (Min. of ASADHA 17, 1893 ( SAKA) Defence) 218 of those areas should not be left only to the borders and in creating healthy public rela- State Governments and that the Central tions with the civilian population all along Government should take the initiative for the the border. 1 know the difficulties which these development of those areas. If we have a people have to face. I am aware that whenever satisfied civilian population of high morale, such problems have come up the local army if we have a civilian population of good commander saw to it that no time was Jost in economic conditions living on the border going deeply into the matter and settling the then it will make our problem easier and we matter. So, I would like the hon. Minister can function in a better way. Therefore, I to convey the feelings of this House and our would urge upon the Defence Minister that congratulations to the local army commander in consultation with the State Government functioning in that area. some schemes should be undertaken and wherever fallow or unoccupied land is avail Let me say a few words about the pro able along the border, ex-army personnel blem of Bangladesh. Today we are at war should be given facilities for rehabilitation so with Pakistan I would say, though it is an that both our agricultural production and undeclared war. Pakistan has committed defence of the border could be achieved by invasion, though it is a civilian invasion. Sir, the same policy. if we had calculated the expenditure we are incurring daily whether for rehabilitating the My two Communi&t fi iends spoke about refugees who came from East Bengal area the morale of the army. I agree with them bcfoie 1954 or the refugees who have come that the morale of the army should be high during the last three months—the amount we and good. They also talked about political arc spending for making improvised tents, influence in the army. 1 do not know what for providing them food and shelter - I think, they mean by political influence in the army. Sir, if we had been actually at war with If they are referring to communist ideology I Pakistan our expenditure would have been would say that our army should be kept away less. from those influences. At the same time, in a democratic socialist country like ours, Now, Sir, I am one who come from the the people cannot be kept in isolation from area and continuously seen for the last 24 the political, economic and social changes years that what a war is, its repercussions which are taking placc in the country, even if and its effect on the people and its effect on they happen to be in the defencc the economic development of the country. services. There has got to be some kind of But, Sir, at the same time I do not know that healthy political influence in the army because how much time more this Government will those who are serving in the armed forces take to take a decision that what immediate to be brought up under Indian conditions steps they arc going to take to solve this and their thinking has to be in tunc with the problem of Bangla Desh. Sir, it would have changes that are taking place in the country. been much better as one of my friend sugges ted that right from the very beginning this Those hon. Members also talked about country should have been bold enough to the relationship of the army personnel with come forward and said that we will give all the civilians. Here I would again refer to kind of help to Mukti Fauj and all kind of Rajouri and Poonch in Kashmir State. I know help to freedom fighers. The money we are from personal knowledge that the relations spending today on those lakhs of people between the civilian population and the army which have come into our country this very personnel in that area are excellent. I am money could have been provided to them to aware of the fact that there have been some fight the war of liberation, to fight for their incidents where people have some grievances liberation right on their soil. I do not know against the way of functioning of the army whether this kind of situation can again be personnel. But these incidents are very small created. But as time and again Government and insignificant. says that the refugees who have come from East Bengal they will have to go back, if that Here I would like to congratulate the is the determined attitude and decision of the Minister and I would request him to convey Government, then let us take steps to create feelings of this House to the personnel of the conditions for their going back. The first armed forces about the excellent work that steps which the Government can take is to they have been doing in the defence of our give them assurance that as long as their war 219 D. G. (Min. of JULY 8,1971 Defence) 220 [Shri Indrajit Malbptra] I shall only mention about Bangla Desh of liberation goes on, as long as these freedom as little as possible because a lot of people fighters go on fighting for their freedom in before me have spoken on it. But this problem Bangla Desh this country, this Government which started off in March has gone out of and the Indian people would always come all proportions and we are now faced with one forward to give them any kind of help, what of the most complex problems that India has ever kind of help they require and ask. Unless, ever faced. Sir, Government tries to create such a situation, *uch an atmosphere, I am afraid, this will I hear and I am distressed to hear that become such a difficult problem that it wtll there is a silent sinster campaign going on in go out of control from the Government and certain parts of Parliamentary corridors then it will be difficult to control these people amongst certain Ministers and I heard it who have come into India from East Bengal myself—that they are now trying to put the and also to control our own people. People blame of our inaction in Bangla Desh or the will take this problem into their own hand heads of the Service Chiefs. 1 think, this is and they will solve it. a very malicious propaganda and this should stop. Reference was also made to the Pay Commission and the remunerations of the AN HON. MEMBER : Name the Minis Army personnel. I would also like to join ters, these fiiends and urge upon the Government to lose no time to take a decision in this SHRI BRIJ RAJ SINGH-KOTAH : I case. shall not do that. But whatever be the cause, there should be no aspersion cast on the Army Sir, in the times of today it is very or the armed forces which affects theii morale. necessary and if becomes more necessary in It is obviously the political solution that ulti the Armed Forces that the gap between the mately will have to be found. higher salary and the minimum salary should be as low as it can be made. Now, Sir, What we are debating today is the nation’s since a new structure is to be evolved regar defence, its course to combat the Challenges ding the wages and salaries of the Army of ‘70s. Defence and development, to some personnel I would urge upon the Government extent, not compete with eachother for the that is a good opportunity for them to revise limited national resources. But they are not all the scales of pay in the Armed Forces and completely incompatible. Security is essential see that the lower level jawans get higher for a climate of development but defence percentage than the officers who get already production also stimulates economic growth. the higher pay. A careful study and correct assessment of various threats posed to our national security In the end, once again, I would like to in the ever fast changing context of the world congratulate the hon. Minister and convey the situation and the balance of power is most feelings of the House about the excellent elementary and very necessary. Thereafter, relations which exist in the Indian Army a correct balance in the allocation of priorities between jawans and officers and I would urge and their fullest use is what is absolutely upon the Government to try to create a better needed. Proper vigilance has to be taken to atmosphere so that these relations can still be see that these resources and proprities which made much better and the Army works as are fixed are absolutely followed. one united army to defend the country as they have been doing in the past This calls for a coordinated policy taking into account the foreign policy and the SHRI BRIJ RAJ SINGH-KOTAH (Jhala- policies of the countries that order us. war) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the Report of the Ministry of Defence conceals much What are the threat that face us ? I more than what it reveals. It was published, would prefer to call them as Challenges of I think, and given to us about a week back. the '70s. We are now veiy happy to say that But there is no mention of some of the pro our Defence Plan with its rolling concept and blems like Bangla Desh or the Indian Army's the current percentage of the defence burden role in Ceylon. on the gross national product Is going down 221 D. G. {Miff, of ASADHA 17. 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 222 pro gressively. But stiil wc arc spending a big The third thing is Russia. Russia, as we amount and this is to meet, as far as 1 can all know, has a very dominant role and very see, the conventional threats poaed by China crucial role to play in the Asian continent. or Pakistan or both of them, perhaps, in Its Asian population will outstrip its European collusion. If things go on in such a large* population soon. Most of the Arab countries scale armament programme, ^we have to see are receiving great aid from it. It has exten that we continue to maintain parity with these ded its presence in the Indian Ocean and we two neighbours. This is so far simple and hear reports of so many things every day correct, But this cannot by itself be called about a Russian flotilla cruising up and down the challenges of '70s. the Indian Occan. She is giving fair assis tance to Pakistan in military hardware in an Such developments by themselves will not attempt to keep her not going too close to tax our ingenuity nor will they call for China an attempt that we watch with growing a fresh appranal of our postures and most scepticism. probably will not also And us lacking, as we did in 1962, in our capacity and determination Similarly, she has been wooing tha uncom to meet the consequent enlarged threats to mitted , nations of South East Asia like our national security If such conventional Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore. threats to our national security are enlarged by our neighbours, we shall also be forced to The last thing that comes out of the new do so. But a completely new situation is strategic environs that are slowly changing is the slowly but strongly emerging in the Asian withdrawal of the United States from the Asian continent which calls for and demands a fresh continent. The ping-pong diplomacy and the appraisal of our policy as it poses grave position relegated to America from Public threats to our present concepts, policies and Enemy No. 1 to No. 2 by Mao Tse-tung has to postures. be viewed with a greater amount of scrutiny. America is slowly changing from her 'flexible response policy’ to something else. What is Let us look at these new strategic environs not clear is what is ultimately her objective ? of Asia and try to visualise, to put the pieces Is it going to leave Asia for Nationalism to together of this jig saw puzzle, the outlines of survive or is it going to leave Asia or the which are now becoming visible. South East Asian countries to fall under the hegemony of either Russia or China ? The first thing that emerges looming large on the horizon of Indian security is China Thus, this shows that strategic conditions with its vast nuclear potential. It is now in they exist now are quite different to those that the area where it cannot be called a super have existed so far. By the end of this decade power but I think before the decade is out, it there will probably be four nuclear powers shall be a neai-super-power and the only dominating the scene. Of these two are entirely limitation it shall have perhaps that is that it Asians—China and USSR and Japan is the may not be able to project its military power potential third. The fourth obviously is the too far from its borders. USA. I say, Sir, what about India ? The second thing that arises is Japan The last remnant of White colonialism which is already the third highest economically will disappear after the liquidation of the US advanced country to-day and its defence commitment in Vietnam. A new era—after postures are undergoing certain but sure Vasco*da-Garaa this will be the new era-will changes. She has the finest technology and dawn after this. What are we going to do know-how and has produced rockets having about it ? To-day we are prepared for conven thrust equal to an ICBM and is planning to tional warfare on a large scale. But will this establish satellite also in the near future. She be the only threat ? Thus we have to define has developed a marine nuclear power engine our security objectives. National security, to and she may soon start manufacturing nuclear my mind does not mean only the defence of submarines also. This also has to be taken our territorial integrity. But what happens into account. The possibility of Japan taking if neighbouring countries Jike Nepal, Bhutan a more demanding role and changing its policy and others are under hostile influence 1 Will qualitatively is not to be forgotten. it not have an adverse effect on our aoverdf 223 D G (Min of JULY 8, 1971 Defence) 224 [Shri Brij Raj Singh-Kotahl 550 millions ? Have we forsaken all that our nty ? Our entire effort m the fifties was to illustrious leaders of yore from Chanakya, restrict China’s influence north of the Him Pratap and Shivaji, to the lion down, have alayas and keep the Asian States away from preached us western dominance In other words, keep the bordering States away and independent of any Even now, through it is no* true, our mili external foreign dominance That was how tary power is pooh-poohed arouni the world it served our sovereignty, in the last decade and why With 4 nuclear powers dominating the scene it is not difficult to imagine why If our After 1962 we were busy with reequipment credibility drops our problems will amount Meddling in our internal aflairs and sowing and gathering strength for our Armed Forces see Is for b'llkanisation of our land will not be and so we took a narrow limited view of our far off in following This is borne out by Security objectives We were too much em China’s hand in creating turmoil m the land broiled in reequipping om selves to present a of Nagas Mizos and with the Naxalites Now better posture of our defence forces But now Bangla Desh gives them vist opportunity of with the decline of US power in these parts creating untold troubles and fresh alignments beginning to take shape, what will happen ? Anything can happen Any nation State which does not develop its national power in p oporuon to or commen India was not powerful till today and surate with its rizc and population has never whatevei we said lacked credibility Ihe been nor is likely to he permitted to continue world in which we arc living today is a world that way for long Such are the lessons of of power, that is, nuclear power which is histoiy vastly superior to any other power a\ a liable earlier as yet It is wrong to imagine th it Coming to nuclear weapons, I wish to say power will not be used Power has always this Government’s thinking lie« in the be been used, is being used and shall contmuc to lief that they are not usable nor can they be be us id Without power nothing goes. We used for defence The report says that it have to distinguish between actual use of powci does not see a credible Chinese nuclear threat and the exploitation of its potential use The to India It furthei draws on the conclusion latter is also called deterrence If world peace and I quote — has been kept since 1945, it is largely due to this fact, call it what you may “The belief that naclear weapons are an effective means of political blackmail does Power by ilsslf is neither good nor evil not at present appear well founded *’ It fill depends on for what purpose it is used and by whom What an appreciation India his used its power tor legitimate use, It seems that the Government still thmk whatever others may think Again we have that the threat from China u still a conven- built up a large military force equipped with tonal one And, they believe that the rockets fairly sophisticated arrm, but it is wholly a the Chinese are experimenting and perfecting, conventional one, to serve as a deterrent and are the types that we all burst with glee on if it fails this force or power will be used for Diwali day our defence We have thus outlined our needs for the seventies. But what will be the im I am not advocating the use of nuclear pact of the nuclear powers, that is, USA USSR weapons for a purely military role No one and China, on countries bordering India ? Wc who has seriously studied the role of the nu don’t have to go back very far to see how clear weapons and their characteristics will these very powers the Big-five, became the fivd ever say that These weapons have an enor members of the Nuclear Club It was because mous political role which has been outlined they wanted their status and role as great previously and they form the best known deter powers If we continue as we are, our role rent today m this world We an faced with in world affairs will be relegated to that of a threat of a nuclear power against a non- Indonesia or Pakistan Is this our destiny of nucicar one Once the chips are down, who a proud and big country, a great nation of is going to pull our chestnuts out of the fire 7 225 D. G. {Min. of ASADHA 17, 1893 {SAKA) Defence) 225 We can do so only with our own strength, two years ago has not been released. I still and if we have that power. That is the lesson wonder that the fate of the Henderson-Brookes that has to be learnt and learnt well. report on NEFA is. It seems that if this report is ever laid on the Table of the House, In India’s case, the need to Develop nu it will be purely of archaic value rathei1 than clear power and build it to a credible level of any military or strategic significance. does not arise out of a desire to play a great- power role. That can wait. What motivates An intelligent understanding and discussion or should motivate us is the absolute urgent of defence and strategic issues is becoming need of a vast and multilingual and pluralistic increasingly necessary both in the interests of State which is under pressure from a far bigger democracy and in the interests of security. yet largely homogenous and more powerful neighbour. While the Big super-powers may be The educative value of the annual report able to restrain China in the next decade in in this regard unfortunately largely is limited her use of nuclear weapons, their ability to do and remains as clouded as ever. so in the long run will lose credibility surely and steadily for obvious rea&ons. Now, I want to take up one or two other items before my time runs out. China is already five years ahead of us in her nuclear programmes, and we have lagged MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The time is behind, thanks to our Government’s soft-peda up already. lling on the whole issue. It will take us ten years to catch up, if we give the signal to go now. SHRI BR1J RAJ S1NGH-KOTAH : May I continue for two more minutes ? I want to touch on the question of the pensions of ex- However, to retain its utility, it would be servicemen, particularly the ex-Indian State necessary for India to take steps to develop its forccs men who have retired. I know of a nuclear option now so that if she should decide captain and a major who are getting a meagre to exercise it, the time-lag in achieving a pension of Rs. 66 per month, which is, I think credible deterrent is reduced to the minimum. less than even what a class IV servant of Government gets on his retirement. The biggest threat that I foresee today to our security that India faces is of short-term There are a lot of retired personnel of the nature. We have got, as far as the local Army, Navy and Air Force whose dearness conditions go. a very highly productive defence and other allowance due to them remain up- plan, and we are doing fairly well, and Pakis paid. I was surprised to see a note from the tan knows that it cannot hope to rival us if Ministry in the case of one such gentleman this thing continues for long. Relations being advising him not to enter into any further bad as they are over Bangla Desh—and I do correspondence on his dues. I do not know not see them getting any better in the near how long these poor people can watt. Some future, and they shall get from bad to worse— have been waiting for four years, five years the greatest threat that 1 said we face is of a and more. I wish the Minister notes down short-term duration, of the nature of a pre these two important points regarding pension emptive strike of the type that Israel had to and dues still unpaid to the ex-servicemen even do vis-a-vis the Arab countries. It is in that after a period of four or five years and tell us regard that I say that our country and its what action he is proposing to take to do the armed forces must remain ever vigilant and needful in the matter. ever alert and ready for instant counter-reac tion. TTOT w i snaft (wmoTSfr) : A strong united India is the best guarantee OTTwrw tit g # for keeping peace not only in this region but in the world balance of powers. 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TOT 3Trsr % 3PTT^ *T fatft ^T ft *TT*rfa^ Sir, we have seen in our ancient country 3 i w f t 3*ft ?T7f & srr *nr?iT that we have worshipped Shakti Sudarshan Chakra Dh&n, and so on and so forth, and ^ t f a 3?r?r wfcrfT^r it *PTte> % arm § 3rr we bad always thought that the mostly maintenance expenditure. Nearly has to do such a lot of work, why should it Rs. 170 crores are for developmental and run a grey iron foundry ? Even a small capital expenditure. This is hardly IS per cent blacksmith can run it. The Ministry of This is quite an inadequate figure. There is Defence should have a titanium manufactur a lot of deflection in our effort and in outlay. ing plant and such sort of units. Machine It is time that we balanced ourselves in a tools units like the Praga Machine Tools manner which would optimise our investment should be transferred to HMT or some other and bring us the greatest return. We have department. The Ministry should be relieved the latest expeuence of the United States of all these things including ship yards, to which reduced the cost of defence under their take care of more sophisticated and useful Defence Secietary, Mr. Macnamara, and at units. Similarly, the Ministry is manufac the same time, they were able to increase the turing light trucks, clothing, food, cables, etc. effectiveness of their striking power. This These are not the things which the Defence probably would be the way for financing our Ministry should manufacture. It would have new course of action that may arise. plenty of other work to do. The ministry should manufacture special metals like tita There arc several items which have not nium, magnesium, alloys, armament plates been referred to in the report that has been and sheets and so on. The ministry should submitted. 1 would quickly tun through the take up the manufacture, either on its own list of items which we have not been manu or encourage private sector manufacturers to facturing and which we should take up, becausc manufacture, microelectronics, e g., LSI and it will be very cleiir that unless the army is MSI, guidance equipment, applied lcsers, well-equipped, the same army which could electronic programmers, digitals and computeri conquer China twico could get defeated as it sations, etc. These are not things which we got defeated in 1962. cannot make immediately or within a short time in this country. Probably if we prepare Sir, most of the technology has today a five year programme and some goals are passed into journals and textbooks. It is laid, it should not be difficult, because there not difficult today to know how a nuclear are thousands of Indian boys who are physi bomb is made or how the other items of cally manufacturing these things, including technological and sophisticated weaponary are memories, in the United States for the defence made. Among the items which I would request forces and for companies like Boeing, Lock the Government to take immediate note of heed Hugcs and such units. Then, the would be nuclear bombs, nuclear warheads for Ministry should manufacture VHF, HF, AM missiles,.and submarines. The Bharat Pynamics and AM/FM equipments and generators, has been stated to go into a manufacturing pro automatic landing gears, automatic bomb gramme for ballistic mis«iles. But we do releasers, sighting and mappings optics and not know what type of missiles they have cameras, telescopic sights, robots, guided programmed. I presume they must be of weapons for air-to-air, ground-to-air. air-to- medium range, but we should also consider ground and ground-to-ground operations, at this time itself something of an interconti integrated instrumentation systems, contrails, nental ballistic types of missiles. detectors and warning systems. We have seen that Bharat Electronics has started a Then, we have not developed special fuels. shop in Bangalore for making radars, but they Unless we have special fuels, we cannot pro are of a primitive nature. Time is rusniflg ceed. We have then no propellants either. out. Unless we produce more sophisticated Without propellants, we would not have equipment and that too to be accompanied with missiles or rocketry. For that we must firing systems, we would be left behind. Un immediately instal a liquid hydrogen plant less the equipment is there, the best of our within the oountry. Otherwise, we will find Indian Forces would be helpless in the new that we will be putting the cart before the set-up of the world. horse* We should also have a separate unit immediately for gas turbines worked on high The ministry should immediately discard value fuels. all out-paced, low-firing, high-risk, high-cost items including surface ships. There is do 16 fan. point in wasting money over out-dated ships The report details several industries put and so on, because those are liabilities without under defence. When the Ministry of Defence air cover. We would lose human beings and 235 D G {Min of JULY 8,1974 Defence) 236 [Shri D. D. Desai] coast, close to Pakistan naval bases and elose the loss ia investment is disproportionate to to Pakistan air bases. We have been that a the gains we may make. The ministry may lot of destruction was there during the Pak also open a section for world patents regis conflicts. Therefore, I would request the tration and intelligence, because most of good Ministry to have a hydrographic survey and developments are registered and probably the navigation chart of the Gujarat coast and have ministry will get a lot of ideas from those a proper bases established along the border patents and with slight modifications, certain equipped with radars, interceptors, surface to manufacturing could be undertaken within the air guided missiles, rockets, good transport country. and communication. The Ministry should also consider I understand that a report was submitted acquiring manufacturing rights for Wankel to the Ministry by a Study Group of the ARC Jap engines, which have now been operational which was headed by Shri Shyamnandan in Japan. This can possibly provide a lighter, Mishra. I would request the Ministry to take speedier vehicle with less maintenance cost, some action to implement that report. less moving parts and less breakdowns. We should also acquire manufacturing rights for There is also the question of leakage of silent pistols, automatic seat rejectors, etc. Our information One example is Maxwell’s book. country has already got a good industrial We do not know what action has been taken base and it should not be difficult for us to on this sort of leakage because, after all, manufacture these things, partly in the minis* leakage might end up in great Damage to us try, partly in the other establishments. Some because they relate to strategic matters ports could be farmed out within the industiial base which we have today within the country. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI The total contribution, both from the public (Calcutta South) : Sir, while supporting the sector and the private scctor, should be pooled demands for grants of the Ministry of Defence, for the benefit of our defence requirements. considering the rapidly worsening situation in Bangladesh I think the Ministry of External AfTairs and the Ministry of defence have We have already started manufacturing become the most important and vital instru supersonic aircraft, particularly M1G-21M. ments of our country today. We have seen in The production of supersonic aircraft is the past, in 1962 and 1965, in the India-China understood to be low. We should increase its dispute and Indo-Pak conflict that the defence production and concentrate on it, instead of of the country ultimately comes from the spending more time, energy and resources on leadership of the nation, from the policy of secondary items because this is one on which the government and the attitude of the people. we have some hope. Today in this debate when we discuss the various aspects of the Ministry of Defence we Coming to indigenisation of tanks, I have also to consider the gravity of the understand that it has gone up from 60 to 70 situation in Bangladesh and certainty we shall or 85 per cent. But so long as we have not have to express something very positive in reached 100 per cent we have the same this connection. limitation of supply of this item and, therefore, the earlier we complete indigenisation the Very recently I have seen in the better for our defence. newspapers some speeches and resolutions by some notable political party in our country, In wars we have invariably seen that air the Communist Party of India (Marxist). force ctew is in short supply. For this, They support the cause of Bangladesh, they training establishment in a big way should be suppoit the leadership of Mujibur Rehman, there. It does not matter if we have some they would like to give a lead to the people surplus crew. They would be quite useful of Bangladesh, they support the attitude of during such times, as we have seen. the Government of India but, at the same time, they want us to follpw a policy of caution. Coming to the Gujarat borders, we have The) want India to try to give arms and seen that ' they are practically unattended. weapons to Mukti fauj to liberate their area* During the Jast conflict we have seen that a but at the same time they want us to act with lot of shelling was done. We have a long sea caution. 237 D* Gr. (Min. of ASADHA 17. 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 238 Here I would like to say that it is up to with him. But, Sir, there is no doubt about the government to decide what policy they it that today in our democracy the pattern of should follow. So, such type of statements the democracy and the teaching of the demo and deliberations before the people by the cracy is the main thing in which we have to party sometimes misguides the whole nation be equipped. If the leaders of the political and the people at large do not know what the parties and the representative of the people are government is going to do ultimately if some* still in the practice of defections and horse* extreme things come. So, I like to remind trading and arrangements of conspiracy tc fall that particular political party and also to the Ministry or the Government certaiuly the convey my feelings to the Members of this people will feel what is the test of democracy House if the situation is not calm, that our and security of the people. So, let us create sovereignty is at stake by the invasion of an atmosphere of the perfect democracy with Yahya Khan's infiltrators in Kashmir oi in out having the norms and attitude of defection the Eastern sector should that particular party and horse-trading in the style of Administra be stick into their resolution to give the idea tion and Government. of the people that Defencc of India should not intervene and Government should not intervene. Now, I would like to submit my views on If this is so being continued, 1 think, the time is some particular points of the Defence Ministry. fully mature for the Government of India to con I do not like to go into the defence production. sider and keep watch on such resolutions and 1 appreciate the spirit of the Government and motives of those political parties in this grave the Ministry that still today we are developing crisis. our defence productions in various sectors in the Air Force, in the shipyard building and Sir, Mr. Samer Mukherjee, categorically also in the Army. I want to confine my said in the debate today that At my today speech today absolutely on the basis of the have been used to suppress democratic forces recruitment in the Army. Most of the people in the country. I being from the Eastern today who are recruited in the Army are region—Mr. Mukherjee is also from that coming from the youth forces of our country. region—have never seen that Army at least in Then, Sir, take the question of National our country being used to suppress the force Cadet Corps. You will find that this entire of democracy but it is a fact that particularly arrangement which is partly attached to the in the case of West Bengal the situation is Ministry of Defence and partly to the Minis something extra-ordinary. I would like to try of Education has become almost a line of remind my hon’ble friend, Mr. Mukherjee, the frustration. In the N.C.C., actually, the situation when Jyoti Bosu was incharge of the ideals of a good citizen and the leadership and United Front Ministry first time and second the feeling of a glorious history of our coun time as Home Minister firstly called the Army try, are taught in various camps and institu during the Siliguri incident to take over the tions. But today what we find is that diffe charge for the peace of the people there. Some rent States in our country, in their own capa times the situation is calm and the general city, in their own universities are giving an Administration can tackle it but sometimes it inspiration to the students that there is no use goes beyond the capacity of the civil Adminis* of the N.C.C. training and that it should not tration and the Army is called for. I no not be compulsory. Some say that the N.C.C. appreciate this thing but I want to explain training should be made compulsory. I that in the great crisis of the history alt the consider that the N.C.C training to the youth political parties which criticise the Ministry is not merely to show that they are performing and the Government at all levels should also some duty as a good citizen of India but it is feel the reality of the situation, there is no an indication of the future of Indian defence doubt. But there are some parties which behave and Indian democracy as to in what pattern before the people or speak before the people our youth should lead the country. as Antony ; behave in the House like Brutus and treat the country ultimately as Julius I would humbly submit to the hon. Minis Caezar that cannot be tolerated. ter of Defence that the entire management of the N.C.C. should not be tackled and bungled Mr. Indrajit Gupta of the CPI has rightly with the Stale List and the Union List. It expressed the view that it is not a good gesture should be absolutely taken under the Ministry for the Government to utilise Amoy ,for the of Defence and should be kept by the Minis’* civil administration or civil help. I agree try of Defence. 239 D.G.(Min.of JULY 8, 1971 Defence) 240 [Shri Priya R anjan Das Munshi] and programmes of these Ordnance Factories, What a horrible situation that is prevailing They create the trouble inside the Factory and in the N.C.C. ? As a responsible cadet m outside the Factory also. I would like to that organisation at the time of the Chinese submit and appeal to the hon. Minister that aggression during my college life I really saw whoever might be in any capacity, if there is how beautiful was the training that used to be any political element, he should not be allowed given and a indication of the future of the . to go inside or near the Ishapore Gunshell country. But today what we tind is that it Factory and the Cossipore Ordance Factory to has become really some sort of a training or tackle a matter of labour and industrial rela games without any objectives. This is what tions. Unless we do that, in the eastern part of the country, I tell you, there is certainly has been made by some people in the country. going to be a serious sabotage in o u t arrange There is another problem also. If a stu ments of defence security in that part of the dent actually wants to be trained in the N.C.C. counrry. for developing his career in the army or in the various administrations of the country, he With these submissions, I would like to should be given certain incentives If a parti conclude by thanking, once again, the Minis- cular cadet completes the N C.C. course with tiy and appeciating the activities of our De a commitment to the nation, there must be fence personnel in the country in defending the certain concessions, certain advantages, given borders and the sovereignty of our nation. to him for undergoing that training. They do not get any concession. ]f a cadet com SHRI S. A. SHAM1M (Srinagar) : Mr. pletes the N.C.C. course and is given a certi Chairman, Sir, the defence of a country essen ficate of that, in the colleges and universities, tially, basically and ultimately is the extension he should be allowed to get certain advantage of its external affairs and to that extent they in the examination marks, in the academic supplement and complement each other. line, in other subjects. I would request the hon. Minister of Defence to talk with the At present India is facing the dilemma of Education Minister in this regard to provide Shakespeare's Hamlet—To do or not to do, to certain concessions to those cadets who are go to war or not to go to war. It is an irony getting training in the N C C. institutions in of fate that pacifists like Jaya Prakash Narayan the academic line, and in examination marks has started talking and working out the arith in other subjects. metics of war. One of my friends just now sarcastically said that it is an irony lhat one Lastly, about the situation in eastern of the former Commanders-in-Chief talk about India, I consider, that the Border Security the futility of war while Jaya Prakash Narayan Force there is not enough Of course, the the greatest of the pacifists, is talking about Border Security Force is also a trained force the utility of war. To my mind, only the which is under the Ministry of Home Affairs. reason explains this contradiction. Jaya I consider, In the mordern training of the Prakash Narayan, that eminent Indian, has Army and the intelligence of the Army, the read about war while Cariappa has led a war. Border Security Force is not able or capable Cariappa knows what it means to go to war to tackle the situation in the Mizo Hills, in while Jaya Prakash Narayan has seen a war the eastern frontier zones, and the extremist film and has read about it and heard about it. forces in the country. In those parts of the country, the Army should be engaged and not Sir, I am not opposed to the general state the Border Security Force. It has been found of preparedness in the country. Let us prepare on many occasions that when the Border ourselves. Security Force fails, the Army is deployed there. So, the \rmy should be deployed SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): Cariappa there. fought for imperialists. About the Ishapore Ordnance Factory and SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : For once listen, the Cossipore Ordnance Factory, I particular Mr. Samar Guha. Let us be prepared to'the ly submit to the Defence Production Minister last. But let us not talk about war became that thtre are certain political elements, cer war does not mean more of money or less of tain political parlies, in West Bengal who make money. War nfreans more of human ch&Vtry certain infiltrations in the regular activities and not less of it. If anybody could conviricfc * * i. * 241 D G (Min. o f ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 242 me that war has solved or war can solve any of Kashmir. We must win their confidence. problem, I shall say that this country should We have to enable them to participate in the go to war. Going to war needs courage but democratic life of the country and that will not going to war needs much greater courage. keep them satisfied. Then they will act more To that extent, I think, the Prime Minister effectively than the armed forces. But some* was right when she said that one does not thing strange has happened. We have been wage war because of financial considerations supplying Pakistan with leaders for submission and I think that is a word of caution. from Srinagar jail. I think this august House knows that Maqbool Butt, a condemned pri Let us not be cowards. Let us acccpt the soner, one fine morning, ran away from the realities. AH our sympathies are with the Srinagar Central Jail How is that that a Bangla Desh people and for their movement. criminal who was condemned to death runs But, as one hon. Member put it rightly, it is away from the Srinagar Central Jail, not only the people of East Bengal who have to win runs away but crosses the borders within 24 that war and who have to fight Yahya Khan. hours ? This needs high-level probing. Don't Our moral sympathies are with them. But let put things under the carpet. The policy of us not talk of war. the Central Government has been mortgaging Kashmir to one or the other. It was mort gaged to Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah, and I must say that in this context Kashmir is then no voice was heard except Sheikh Ab one of our most vulnerable parts as far as our dullah’s. Then it was mortgaged to Bakshi defences are concctned and when I talk of Ghulam Mohammad, “the greatest of all pa vulnerable, I am not talking of the hillypasses, triots," and no other voice was heard. Now which are easily accessible to the Pakistan. It it has been mortgaged to Ghulm Mohammad is part of our ideological war. Kashmir is not Sadiq and no voice will be heard, because we a question of territory alone which we want have mortgaged Kashmir to Ghulam Moham to retain or secede. It is our ideological plank. mad Sadiq. But, if you really want to build It is our ideological basis. With the Bengla the defence of Kashmir, Kashmir will have to Desh movement in East Pakistan, Pakistan be mortgaged to the people of Kashmir. lost its ideological basis. But, if same thing happens in Kashmir, we are likely to lose our ideological basis. Therefore, the defence of Some very important historical opportuni Kashmir should be given the topmost prioriiy ties have been missed where we could have and in the defence of Kashmir, only the mili educated the people of Kashmir. The task of tary preparedness is not sufficient. May I educating the people of Kashmir that India is take this opportunity to inform the hon. De a secular democracy is mine, and I must fence Minister that all is not well as far as admit that my task has become difficult by Kashmir's defence is concerned. One of my certain acts of the leaders of the Central friends talked about the civilian population Government and the State Government. De being the greatest bulwark against any aggres mocracy in Kashmir is not meant for Sheikh sion. The people of Kashmir have shown Mohammad Abdullah and Mirza Afzal Baig not once but thrice that they can resist the alone. If they do not ‘deserve’ the demo temptation, that they can resist the propa cratic freedom, ho-v about the rest of the peo ganda machine of Pakistan which ha* been ple of Kashmir ? I hope you know that in invoking the name of religion, Quoran and this House. Bakshi Ghulam Mohammad com Islam, That is the Kashmir people’s con plained that his candidates were not permitted tribution to the defence preparedness. to contest elections. What I want to say is this. My emphasis is only this : Win the ft was suggested yesterday that the head confidence of the people of Kashmir. man cannot be trusted, that the people of Kashmir cannot be trusted. May I remind Sir, who do;s not know that the recent you. Sir, that the people of Kashmir, essenti hijacker of Fokker Friendship was none bat an ally, basically and initially, have defended employee of B.SF. ? The Kashmir Chief Kashmir against Pakistani aggression ? Who Minister protested that we got this information could have saved Kashmir in 1947 when the of hyacking 3 months before ; we wanted to Pakistani marauders were knocking at the interrogate Hassira Qureshi, the hijacker. But doorstep of Srinagar ? It was the people of the Central Intelligence did not permit him. Kashmir. Much has to be done for the people What is wrong ? A high-level probe should be 243 D. u . (Min. of JULY 8, W t Defence) 244 [Shri S. A. Samim] t o w : w m fis ordered. Even when they have got (he infor t o t ifa iare mation 3 months before, and one of the em ployees of BSF was a hijacker, why was it not ^ ^ % sfafre qr possible to prevent it ? Is it not possible that tft 5T3TT STWft ’5TTf^J if Pakistan has infiltrated into our Border Secu r * tt s rrf^ r i * r t *ft rity Force V As I said earlier, the question of Kashmir should not be treated as a law and f W s p f f % t * arwnr fasrr order question, not even as a defence question t , if ^ alone. The overall picture should not be forgotten. The people of Kashmir feel, and t f a TT*r srfspfr arrafafr s fa tn r genuinely feel, that they are net part of this i *p r ^ s n tft great country. By their instincts, by their t s h # *n ft | w ideological commitment towards the ideal of secularism and democracy they would like to strt wrr afs# 3r mjTf w n ^rrf^r fa feel so and they must b; mide to think so. * tt«t fa*r-fa?r ?)% War should be the last resort. India is t I 1962 % «TT? ^ sp* ^ a great country ; India is a country of w | fa ^rii: sft 'Rteft km | Gandhiji. Some people say, Gandhiji would aftr qrfa^rr?r & ^rrfV rt have permitted war. Please do not invoke Gandhiji’s name Gandhiji was the last per i ^rfa?r far son who talk of war. We would have found §f*prr?: sfrfa arnr if ^ Gandh\ji in Bangla Desh today facing Pakistani f, farerra f a n 1 1 r e f bullets rather than talking of war. War does not mean conquest of territory. War means ^ «T$% %ST % qT?r faSTR % committing the whole nation, the whole coun *r«r?sr ir frnrft *ft % MR. CHAIRMAN: The Hon. Member fsrw *P^nTi 5 ^ ^ 1962 has exceeded the time ; he must conclude. % i w ?w r *fft 3ftr ^ »Rr «rr f a SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : I am just con cluding. India has achieved already a war 7T armor ^»rr %far % moral victory and if we persist with this offen fa*rr fa $f i sive; peace offensive I am sure, with our vic tory, Bengla Desh will also win. Thank . w rt'^ rt f»rr % fa fas fa*fr ^ r 51s ?wr«r you. faWRT facjr, 545 D (7, (Min. o f ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 246 rftaT forr i w ^ *rr ^r faafa f^JTT arm t wt ^R?t ^r m cPfrnrr *nft | f a frrfara m ^ x It TT m? fafft *ft ^RJcT ^ ?rff fa ^st *?r fro r % srs?r *pft sn o t *f arraT | « sft sft5w?r aft ^rrct arry^r ^Bf?t?r 4 , ^ i % ? r fT O Jt ?ft*T x t r arnff s?t [«ft ^<5JT5T «ft 5«T3ff % ?TFPT q f ^ aF^T qfrfs^TTf erf # 3tn% ?rc*r% t ^ r t ^ r ^ r r «rr ^5Tr «pt srot*r ^ ^nrf it snwr | g i aft qfor % ftw *fx sn?r | ^ ^ rn c t afV* ^ star 1 1 t ?RfRTT f f*p arT^ 30, 32 qr 35 *tf?* §ttft | I w ^ t | f^ 9 f t % ^ Tsarr *R% «pt ?t ang ^ T ^ t f^rf =3T 8pT fczTT 5fT?TT 1 1 fcf*r- sftr *r srtgfcv nwrft |t% % Jfe % 3T5 ST^t fwcfr I I ^ T T5.TT «FT f t , %?TT VT W t * l ^T s?re?t jffarV feanft 5w r^ % ? tfft »T5r«rf^jft *f?t Tt5fr% Jr 3 r w f5^ ^tptt SFW T t STg^RTT * t 3JTfft ^TTf^ I f3F^% * r r f^ i srTcrfV^ ipcm m u | eft ^ tit t$tt ^ % *ij% stf* qrt *rf%*r tit yfci^, ®ft ^r« r^T !pt% % f?$TT spnr ^ r ^ft ^t, ^T c P f ^T ^TTT faiVTT 1%cT ^*rrar f^qn :w r | eft ^ ^ ^Ct * t 1 ^ ^T ^FTT XWU ^Tcr ? r |t 1 1 fa r % qr«r if« w n : | % efta «*rsr m sft^r ^ «fr i ^ f^PCt % TT^T ^ t I 5T3T ^TSTRDT »TT*TfT5F SFHT^r fpTRt | i *n£r %5tt tr 3ttct «r SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO % 3PR> %?ft ir snr ^ «r i are (Mahendragarh) I am very happy to hear ^T% '7T*T srtfta ?r ^ an*? % ^ *iHt most of the speeches of the Hon Members and to note the change of attitude amongst Jr sr^t ?5*r snr^r | i err*% fsrfr oui politicians towards our defence services f o r % f r f $ t f^r ?r«rr cTr^w I remember, it was not very long ago before ^ P t ^«FTV spt Sfm TO T TOsft | I the Chinese aggression, that in this very House our politicians talked about cutting *r s?r 3Ttr ts^T^r fo^RT w | . . . down the expenses of our defence services m training Orders were actually passed by the «ft m srjt, Government of India that troops would be frem T fo i used for construction of houses and for culti vation of land, and it was felt that it was not %ft v&gBm viWfT : sft q-?f % necessary in this peaceful country that there should be toughening up of our defence *rc fe m *(t ^trT t ^t?t- services and that proper attention should be 3TPT5 «h t twt 1 1 -jsnpt paid to their training I am also happy as am ex-soldier that it has been realised generally f«RT ^ 3njT% ST2FT I ^ STjgeT that we should attend to the welfare of our | 1 %™gfa 5HTT TTj^T SPflFRt 5^t aftT & ex-servicemen and their families *rra- | f*F ?t arr^ f( t, We are facing a great danger We were tf?fa ^r fe m f it ??Vft % fwq; w srfcrw?r awakened m 1962 and again m 1965 For tfhFfkm f?f^cT T^*ft I 3TF5T !*rrft ^?TT tunately it was only China m 1962 and only Pakistan m 1965, but next time we are afraid ^ t arfk*p 1 3 f tr ^ that it will be a concerted action aga mst Hf*rr arfsw ^tcft | w % ^w tt India by both these neighbouring enemies. $ 3r> srfcNicr f % srflprr There is also talk in certain quarters that there was a defence pact between Pakistan ajfe I't’ft ^Tf^*r I ^ U$ «ft ^TT?Rir f f*F and China immediately after 1965 We would qfiw v 4 ^ t ^ 3rr«T arfspp like to know from the hon Minister if he has any definite information about this, if he % arfsw ^ f < ^ T fa*sT% «pt scrwFTr spT i would throw some tight on this, because we know that China is maintaining a huge army 249 D. G. (Min. of ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 250 in Tibet of more than six divisions and they partment. The civilian administration and can command any number or troops more at our urban population considered them inferior short notice. They have got missiles and and thought that people who did not have from Tibet they can hit any target in India brains went to the army. Today this attitude from Kashmir to Kanyakumari. These are seems to be changing but a lot more is needed. dangerous things. We hear that Pakistan in Our soldiers have always proved their the last three months has raised live new patriotism. divisions. I hope that the Defence Minister would let us know his own preparations to I should suggest that there should be a meet these dangers. system of conscription in this country as in other countries so that everybody, whether big I earlier suggested that this amount of or small, big businessmen or Minister's son, Rs. 1189 crores demanded by the Defence sees military scrvice. There should be no Ministry is not adequate. 1 have said earlier employment in class I, II or III, in the. State and I would again suggest that we should services or in the Centre, unless a young • man treat these times as a national emeigency. has served at least for 3 years in the army, We should declare it so. If necessary, we even though it may be territorial army to should cut down all expenditure wherever it form a reserve force. These prize jobs should can be saved. I suggested that the amount of be given only to them. This should be made Rs. 785 crores which in this year we are going applicable to the public undertakings and the to give to the States as gtant-in-aid should all commeicial firms also. A young man should be pul in the defencc budget. see army, naval or air force service and then only he can ask for these civilian jobs. We should also save this Rs. 75 croies which we are going to spend on employment We are lagging in one thing. Our defence schemes There should be no better employ scrvice personnel are not associated with our ment for our young men than in our defence policies. This is a big handicap. Soldiers services. Why should this money not be are asked to keep away from politics. Even diverted to defence and all our young men the representation of Peoples Act lays down given compulsory military training ? that among the civilians only the gazetted officer is prevented from convassing in politics. But in the defence services even a soldier or an ordinary sepoy cannot do it. Our retired 16.42 hrs. officers find it difficult to go and woo the LShri R. D. Bhandarb in the Chain voters. We need their consultation ; we need their opinion in our deliberations. There is a difference between India and other developed countries. Fortunately I had In the Rajya Sabha where we have got the opportunity ot visiting most of the Euro 12 nominated seats, why cannot we put 3 of pean countries some years back. I attended our senior servicemen every time as nominated some of the meetings of the World Veterans. Members ? It is provided in our Constitution 1 saw tbeir institutions. I came to know that we can nominate artists, scientists, what voice serviceman and ex*servicemen have literateurs, and social service workers—a big got in those countries, and that is why their bogus thing Today military science, the defence is properly planned. The civilian science of war, is one of the most developed population knows about their defence needs and important sciences. But unfortunately here in India you will find hardly one serviceman or ex-serviceman out MR, CHAIRMAN : Do not say these out of 1,000 people. We have not seen war are bogus things. on our soil. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO: I In other countries, in Europe particularly, hope you are not a social worker alone. one out of two has taken part in a battle and What I mean to say is that no person who knows everything about defence. It might did not deserve a place there should get a have been the deep rooted prejudice acquired place in the garb of social worker. Real during the British regime that in India our social workers, I think I am also one of them defence services have been an isolated com* if I may say so, are perfectly all right. 251 D, G. (Min, of JULY 8, 1971 Defence) 252 [Shri Birender Singh Rao] drop of their blood and killed 1500 of the It is really shameful that today our enemy. That was commanded by Major soldiers and ex-soldiers remember the British Shaitan Singh who got the Param Vir Chakra days. They say that regime was more con for his bravery in this company. Out of the siderate to them. If there was a letter from 114 who were killed, about 15 got gallantry a commanding officer about the grievance of a awards, which is the highest record of any soldier’s family the Deputy Commissioner ran military action in bravery. And yet, this to the house of the soldiers’s family. But Ministry has not even cared to build a now it is absolutely different. Nobody cares. memorial to these heroes in those snowy 1 think more attention should be paid to these heights. I would suggest that bccause those matters. jawans, this battalion came from one commu nity alone and showed unparaliclled bravery, their hands should be given to a regiment. The soldier is the lowest paid employee Plenty of them are in the aitillery and in under the Indian Government today. You other armed services. If they have one Ahir would be shocked to know that he gets only Regiment, they would still further be prepared Rs. 55/- as basic pay and Rs. 45/- as D. A. to join it m large numbers and fight more How can we give dignity to soldier unless we enthusiastically. I shall be happy if Mr. pay rim well ? Even a peon in Delhi, in Jagjiwan Ram also raises another regiment your Parliament or Rajya Sabha gels more called the Chamar Regiment. Why not ? than Rs. 200/-. Is this how we raise the They should also be given a proper place in morale and dignity of the soldier ? the fighting forces. There are certain other things which I want to mention if you can give me a few SHRI JAGJIWAN RAM : On the one more minutes. There is one invidious distinc hand, you condemn the castes ; on the other tion continuing in the army. The Britishers hand, you demand more castes ! left the legacy. I think they did it as it suited them. They knew that there were SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : I some martial classes in India They knew will condemn the upper castes. Make every who had fighting quali ies in their blood. body fight and make everybody equal. They named certain regiments after communi ties and castes like the Rajput Regiment, like I would also suggest that the welfare of the Jat Regiment, the Dogra Regiment, the these soldiers depends upon giving them Sikh Regiment, the Mahar Regiment, etc. I employment after retirement or early release would suggest that wherever invidiousness from the army at a young age. I would exists people who deserve to be given a name suggest thal 50 per cent of all Government in a regiment, should further be recognised jobs should be reserved for released or retired and the injustice done by the British removed. servicemen if they are fit for service and are After all, what do they want ? They only ablebodied, particularly young men who want to die for their country and bring glory retired early after a short service commission to their blood, their caste, their race and their or after a short military service. In some of community and to the country. the States, 30 per cent of the posts have been reserved. It should be done all over India on AN HON. MEMBER: They kill the a uniform basis. enemy ; not die. Some hon. Members also suggested that SHRI B1RFNDER SINGH RAO : Yes ; these soldiers who go the army belong to the that is better. But they are first prepared to poor families and kisan families but they die in this noble cause. I would command have got no land. When they come back, this one community, a brave community ; land should be found for them. I suggest the Defence Minister would bear me out that that the hon. Defence Minister should see to in Ladakh, in 1962, against the Chinese, it that at least the retired soldiers, if they there was one battalion of the Ahirs, the have got no land to fall back upon, are treated 13 Kumaon Regiment. There was one com on a par with Harijans and lands are distri pany pitched against one full division of buted to them wherever the lands can be Chinese. Out of 125 jawans and officers, obtained. This is all that I have to say for 114 laid down their lives, fighting to the last their resettlement. 253 D. G. (Min, o f ASADHA 17, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 254 In the end, I suggest that the service of trucks. The figures are 10,730 three-tonne officers should be kept absolutely aloof from Shaktiman trucks, 22.682 one-tonne trucks the influence of foreign powers. Only a few and 6904 patrol vehicles. These are impressive days back, we read in the newspapers that figures. Those who say that the report is our Air Chief Marshal went to the United insipid, that progress is not satisfactory, that States and he was awarded the Legion of the standard is very low and that the report Merit there. If our service officers start is just a bulletin of figures and facts, that it looking to foreign powers for commendation, conceals more than it reveals, etc., should that is going to undermine the discipline of glance these pages of the report and then they our services. Even our Constitution lays will have a fair and balanced view. down, under article 18(2) that no citiren of India shall ge any title from any foreign 1 am not referring to the Ministry of power. This is a title. This is an award. Defence Production alone. There are certain It is a commendation. Why should heart other things of which I am proud. The burning be caused between officers and Defence Ministry has taken note of the fact officers ? Why should they award these that with the modern science and technology, things to our service officers ? Naturally, when the world is going at a very high .speed. I find these foreign powers give them such awards, a very interesting item in this. An Institute these officers would look forward for settling of Work Study has also been established and down with the help of those foreign powers, value engineering is coming into its own. in firms that are run with their collaboration In the army, we have to look to these scienti or they might find some other benefits. That fic disciplines, so that the army personnel are is why they would try to please the foreign trained on scientific lines. The Institute of powers. It will have a very unhealthy in Work Study will train the defence personnel fluence and it should be stopped. There in work study and allied managerial should be a policy that no defence service disciplines There are provisions for officer would get any award from any foreign higher education to be given to the jawans. I power in future. Those who have got it am told a committee has been set up or it should renounce it. has already submitted a report, under the chairmanship of Dr. Mahajani, Vice-Chancel- PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR lor of Udaipur University, for recommending (Hamirpur) : Sir, for once, I would like to see upgradation of syllabi at NDA and that for that the debate on defence is kept free of examination purposes, it will be affiliated to a politics. It should be judged on a scientific university, so that our jawans who enter there basis and on the basis of objectivity, and not are able to get a degree by studying there. on party affiliations. So, in the very begin This is most welcome. ning, I decry the tendency on the part of a few of my friends opposite to involve the army 17 hrs. in politics and to criticise the Government for Another thing is, the Government has seeking the help of the army when needed in decided to raise a Naga regiment, in deference hours of crisis for purposes of extreme need, and respect to the aspirations of the Naga civil or otherwise. I was very much shocked people. Some friends have talked of com- to find that one member opposite criticised munalism and cas'eism in armed forces the Government’s decision to *end our forces and decried the tendency to name regiments to Ceylon. He was referring to certain news like that. I for one do not agree there because paper reports and the attitude of certain the highest of the bravery is rooted in the Ceylonese. But may I say. it was done at native soil. Those who do not subscribe to the request of a legitimately and democratically this view are living in an ivory tower or in established government ? The purpose of the the sky. Even the famous English poet, army is to obey the orders of the civil govern Stopford Brookes, in his famous lines said : ment. The civil government here is the better "If ever I die and fall on foreign soil, that judge. But I am not going to dilate on it should be for ever England1’. He wanted to any further. transplant the soil of England for the soil Coming to the report of the Defence of France if he dies in France. Bravery Ministry* I would refer to some of the items springs from our ancestry ; it springs from highlighted there. We are told by the our native soil ; it springs from otir mother Department of Defence Production that thete earth. So, there is no harm if a certain is a commendable increase in the production regiment of the army is known by the name 255 D. G. (Min. of JULY 8, 1971 Defence) 256 (Prof. N arain Chand Parashar] tion continues to erode under an irresisti of a region. Here 1 would like to commend ble tide of technology, the key expression the resolution passed by the Assembly of the of which are the submarine and the missile.” Pradesh to which I belong, namely, Himachal Pradesh, for raising the Himachal Pradesh So, I want to refer to the fact that the world regiment because that would give to the is fast changing. I wa« reading in the same district to which I belong, and the tehsil to article that a ship takes ten years to be built which 1 belong glory and enthusiasm for tbe from its design to completion. During these sacrifice it has made for the protection of the ten years the world marches ahead and unless motherland. 1 come from a district which we take to latest plannmg we cannot march had the largest number of casualty in the ahead. 1 see that there is a cell in the Defence whole of India in the Indo-Pak conflict. 1 Ministry, Department of Production, which come from a tehsil which has sent the largest takes into account the latest thinking on the number of soldiers to the armed forces. So, subject. This article further frustration. I would like the army men to no justice in any kind of statement which does keep up their morals and there was a reference not take this into consideration. I think this by Birender Singh Rao that SO per cent of the must be one of our guiding principles that posts be reserved. I think it would be difficult whereas we care for the soldier when we prod because according to the Report itself there is him to sacrifice his life we do not care for his a Supreme Court ruling which refers to the sister, mother or daughter or son. We must fact that all reservations whether for scheduled also take this view into consideration. castes or for other types or backward area or for Army they are not to go beyond the speci Then, there is the question of defence fic limit of 50%. So, keeping that in view, I preparedness. What is defence preparedness ? would request the Ministry to increase the That our machinery should be geared up to quota from 10% to a little higher say 15% or the maximum. I gather from the Report that 20%. the Territorial Army has an authorised strength of 50,778 as on 31st December, 1970,1 would Now, I would like to refer to an impor* like to ask : How is it that at present the tant problem and that is we care more for the actual strength is 43,782 ? Why this gap of dead. That is our traditional attitude. When about 7,000 ? If it is to be geared up to the a person dies we are all for giving family pen * moment that a crisis may arise at any time, sion but are we also going to consider the we must have authorised strength. Similarly, conditions in which the families of the serving we have to do so many other things. soldiers are living, Sir, a telegram which is sent by a man in active service to his home, The largest attack comes not from the can you be sure, it reached in time, a telegram Chinese weapons. China conducted her 11th reporting the death of a person reaching his nuclear test on the 14th October, 1970 over wife or sister or mother ten days later. It is Lop Nor in Sinkiang—incidentally, it is men* a shame on our system of communication. I tioned in the Report, on the very first page would like Sir, that Defence job is a job that as "Sinking.” Fortunately there is the Errata, spills over to other Ministries. I want some China has the capacity of producing 40 thing should be done in this respect. There nuclear bombs every year of 20 K. tonne are soldiers who go on leave and there is a capacity. This is the power that China has river which they cannot cross and five days developed. But the danger does not come are taken and there the bus docs not ply. from this power. The danger comes from the While our youngmen are ready to serve for the Chinese attitude. I remember having read sake of Motherland and are ready to sacrifice the ihe Peking Daily in Chinese language itself. last drop of their blood for the protection of Everyday, on the first page, there is a quota the Motherland their wives, daughters and tion and one of the quotations that is drilled sisters have to walk for miles to get a drop into the ears of every growing child is : The of drinking water. Is this just ? It is no jus* power grows out of the barrel of a gun. If this is tice at all. We care for the dead and neglect the attitude, you have to fight that. You have to the living. I think if we are to look forward be prepared at all times and at all hours to face for the best among us to go to the Armed this challenge. And the challenge of Bangla Forces—the best among us and the brave Desh in which China might have a hand is among us to sacrifice or be ready to sacrifice the challenge we must face. the last breath of their life for the sake of the Motherland - we will have to look to the con ditions in which their families iive. I gather 17.12 hrs. from the Report it has not been possible for [D r. Saradish Roy in the Chair] the Government to provide family quarters to each and every soldier but it is possible for May I remind the House what the Father Government and for our senior man on of the Nation, Mahatma Gandhi, said once ? the Cabinet to persuade his colleague that I may also quote : communication system in those areas where from the soldiers come in the largest number srfc n v for * «n% they are looked on a priority basis. There should be seme kind of communication system— ITftfST ^ t I telegraph office, telephone office or dak system should be geared to that end and similarly These are the words of Tagore. Can we transport facilities should be given. There is not draw inspiration from these word* ? 259 D. G (.Min. of JULY 8, 1971 Defence) 260 \ [Prof, N arain Chand Parasharl To-day Pakistan dares to send its infil trators into our country. We don’t go to the Sir, I would like to close my speech with help of people in Bangla Desh after the grea one or two couplets from a poem that I have test butchery ever committed anywhere in the read in Urdu by Dr. Ajmali : world. We hesitate. We thought that the world powers will come to our succour. But, srraft snfcw what happened ? Nobody cared and every zr^srvrcr rTTij ^ 9rrvfi country is now helping Pakistan. For one thing, no world power wants India to become a great tftaT f w r t art#' power. They created Pakistan for that purpose. nftwr 5f?rr^ «Ft tt$ How can you then expect them to support >ou ? They did not want China to become a fSTTT> ? f Tppr STC^rft I I great power. But, in spite of that, it has *5 i* \ f a w r ^ % sTfew «rc become great power by its own efforts. So, if we want to become a great power, we will a r^ froc m^rr $ 1 have to stand on our own legs So, 1 say, that we must work hard to become a great PROF. S. L SAKSENA (Maharajganjj: power. Mr. Chairman, Sir, we became free on the 15th August, 1947 and China became free a To-day we are very very insecure China has year and two months after us, that is, on 2nd made eleven nuclear explosions at Lop Nor. October, 1948. It has got a missile which it can send 3000 km from the Tibetan heights. They can hit China was poorer than us at that time. our targets very easily. Suppose tomorrow Today what do we find ? Today, China is one they attack us and use nuclear weapons, what of the great world powers, a member of the shall be our answer ? You have said in your nuclear club, aud it is producing steel about report. four times our production, it is producing coal about four times our production and so also “While the nuclear capability of China, electricity. These are the things which cons no doubt, constitutes an important factor titute their great revolution. in the total spectrum of threats to our security, its credibilty has to be judged by This is the position. Today China has a several criteria such as the political or standing army of 25 lakhs whereas we have military advantages that may be derived only an army of 8 lakhs. It has, besides from such an attack, its repercussions that, about 2 crore men in the people’s militia on the world situation, the reaction of which is probably the world’s largest land other advanced nations and nuclear pow army, What is the reason ? ers etc.” We have seen the reaction of the world and SHRI S. M BANERJEE (Kanpur) : the great powers to the butchery in the Ban Because they have no Parliament. gla Desh. Shall it be anyway different if China attacks us by nuclear bombs ? I am PROF. S L. SAKSENA : There is Parlia sure they don’t want us to rise and if we go ment. You cannot deny that. I have been down, they will only rejoice. If we want to there and seen them working. The only one to defend ourselves, we will have to strengthen reason is that they are determined to become our Army Navy and Air force many a great power. And we have no determina times and to prepare nuclear weapons, tion and ambition to become a great power We have to change our policy. You quickly. That js the only reason why they talk about disarmament in the forums of the have progressed so fast. China 1$ only 1^ world. We have been trying for it for the times a& vast as India but at a rate which is last 23 years. But nobody has given up five times quicker. China has advanced. It nuclear arms. Everybody is stockpiling them. has stolen a march over us in every field. Sir, You say, ‘We are the only virtuous people in if we have to exist as a nation, then we will the world.* We persuade people to give up have to take a leaf out of China’s book. arms but that thing has not happened. The Otherwise, we cannot survive. country will not forgive you for reftaring to 261 D.Q.(Atin.of ASADHA 17, 1*93 (SAKA) Defence) 262 manufacture nuclear bomb upto now. When There is no other alternative now for us Dr. Bhabha said that we can produce atom except to send our troops on a mission of bomb in very little time with very little cost, mercy to Bangla Desh to put an end to this we did not take advantage of his offer. We continuing genocide and butchery and to make said, ‘No, we will use atomic energy only for Bangla Desh safe for the refugees to return peaceful purposes*. The result is that wc are back. You have to send your troops on a left far behind. Even now, what I say is : mission of mercy and you cannot escape it. if you want to live as a nation, you will You, Sir, are in charge of our Defence ; it is have to go in for the nuclear bomb and your responsibility to see that our Army is you should manufacture it immediately the strongest and we can meet the challenge, without any further delay. I know we both of China and Pakistan put together at Can do it. Our scientists are capable of it. They the same time. You should make our coun only want your orders. There is no loss of face in try as great and as powerful as China is. changing a decision because there is nor fixity For that you must do whatever is necessary. about our decision. Therefore, for our safety we should go in for nuclear bombs. 80 lakhs of refirgees are on our borders ; there is no other alternative but to send our Then, Sir, even our conventional forces are troops on a mission of mercy to Bangla Desh far inferior. Our army, as I told you, is far to make it safe for the return of the refugees inferior to China’s. Our Air Force is much and to stop this continuing genocidc, and smaller. Our Navy is also much smaller. exodus by putting Sheikh Mujibur Rahman in If we want to live with this great neighbour power there. on our north, we have to spend on our defence something equal to what China does. We should put Sheikh Mujibur Rehman’s AN HON. MEMBER : Rs. 5000 crores ? party in power ; that is the only alternative if we want refugees to return home. When PROF. S. L. SAKSENA : Whatever it be, the independence of Bangla Desh becomes a you will have to do it. If you want to live as reality and Sheikh Mujibur Rehman is in a nation, you will have to defend yourself. If power Pakistan will have died of itself. I you want to live, you must spend as much as don't want to destroy Pakistan, but they have is necessary to become at least equal as China destroyed Pakistan themselves. I hope you are in mliitary power. alive to the situation and will not shirk your responsibility. I have very high respect for I hope the hon. Defence Minister will rea- our Minister of Defence and for his efficiency liec the urgency of the matter. He must not and I hope that he will give us a powerful leave our country to the mercy of China and defence, a powerful Army, Navy and Air be in the same position as we were in 1962. Force, and a nuclear stockpile larger than We have, of course, advanced in our dofence- China’s. preparedness since 1962 because that athtack by China awakened us. But we have lost q«ro T w itaiw (faarrapiT*) : that momentum. Shastriji gave the slogan- flw rfsr 'jft, $ snre ^ Jai Jawan Jai Kisan. Now that slogan is almost forgotten Nobody remembers it. We aftr arr$ srrpsfcFr t p t fcrr ( must rekindle tha flame. You must give the w ffa «r£?r farfrarr $ i Jawans more honour and importance and improv etheir conditions of service so that % arrt $ 3# ’Tf | fa $ sw they my play the same role that they played eft trap g ts rw *f 100 at the time of Pakistan war in 1965. [*f t TTfF»ftmff *¥ ^t] % arTfr^r 11 *rM ^ «ft ^ft d w n w *rera* *rPT5flr*T Tf?r w t ?p?y aft i aft ^fVcfV ^ 7T t ^ far *& y *r utsstt ^ f i sfteRTfa-rr 1 1 w t « ^ ^ 'TT^rT^ % fersra Kft oft srsr f a r o *r*t arre ts 3r»r ftr% ^ ft arq% ^ t|t fatnf^ % % Sr cfr ^tpi^t *t w tt ft^tcft, ^JTfv ffaTT * m | % iWTST afiRR tJ*F ?f ffrr jgrr srr«R,*r ^ttr1 f3rr ^ \ # w w $ n anf *mt far a m vt^ gfofrr sft ff^r 3m qr^RTFf ^T 8TTT ?t 0> ^TRT $ t tit fcr *t g w r arf^F * $ i * m fvr^sftsr “FT srre^r ft srrqrrr i srsr srrc fta r fa w \ %3rT3r m *ftx % ?t t ^WcTT g f«F 1947 % eWT % m \ * m , arerw ^ ft *f m x arre fsre?r »ft amr f a fh q iP u w T * ^ artr |T ®Ftf ^f»T l^ FT f*nft fiySr srjfer ^ * r a t 1 1 ?rff f^TT ^ttctitt, ?re ?pp f® ^ it^rr i % WeT «TTcff % ?T$f *T R T ^ f I STTcT sre f*n^: f?m f ff *ttwt tft ^ftft v x ^ % Trf^re *rre ^ s^rr 11 q*r ^ | s *r w m m s ?rff m x ^ ^?r% m? wsrf ??ft «ft i ^rfvfr anjft s5n f ^ i ^rFFffar x m aft^sr ftr? ^ 3Sfa>?*T?ft ^ ffT ?TTW? ^qfft!T % 3TRT WTfT far ^FT qft qftsr % wt*ff fftsp ff g*T^ 3TT?ft ^ 3 T crTpTS ^ T fe^TT I *f?t eTTf ft ? qff ^TT ^iff^t, STUff % m x «ft^ t 3ftX W ?Tf = ^ a > eft W T fk frercrf arreWf [Shri Shankarrao Savantl second is that we must keep them weH-discipli- war was thrust upon us. In the 1962 war with ned and well contented. It is in respect of China, we fared very badly, mainly due to bad this last requirement, namely the contentment terrain and bad generalship. In the 1947 and of the staff and forces that I wish to make 1965 wars with Pakistan, both our army and some suggestions. air force gave a very good account of thermel- ves and earned rich laurels Our navy of In the war of 1965, the Air Force made a course has not still been put to the test, but I significant mark. With the help of inferior and am suie when that time comes, it will also out-moded planes, our Air Force literally acquit itself very well. trounced the superior Air Force of Pakistan and obtained supremacy in the air. The credit AN HON. MEMBER ; God forbid. for this naturally goes to the Air Force as a whole and not to any one branch. Our SHRI SHANKARRAO SAVANT : That planners however believed that the credit goes is exactly what I say. Why should we be entirely to the General Duty Pilots and not to scared of war ? By being afraid of war, we are the Technical Officers who took part in the not going to avoid it. If we want to avoid maintenance of the Air Force. The result is war, we should be fully prepared for war. that the G. D. Officers are placed at a vantage position in the matter of pay, promotions, pro spects and privileges as compared to the Another proposition that was laid down technical staff. was that war has not solved any pioblcms. This is also a wrong supposition. There arc some problems which war alone can solve. For Let me recount the story of the discrimina tion from the beginning. At the time of instance, Hitler’s problems was solved only by war. Mussolini’s problem was solved only by recruitment itself, the educational qualifi war. Chamberlain tried to solve that problem cations of the G. D. Officers or G. D. Pilots as without war. He was a total failure. He only they are called is matriculation, while the ended by giving Hitler without war which he educational qualifications of the technical staff is wanted with war. That was the only effect of a degree in engineering or a technical subject his interference. That is why I am saying like tele-communications With all that, the G D. Pilots are started on a salary which is that by simply fearing war we are not going to Rs 75 higher than the technical staff, although avoid war. We must be prepared for it, and the ranks of both are the same. When the that is the main task of our defence forces. All ranks are the same, the pay ought to be the the three defence services must be in such an same The Flying Officers, Squadron Leaders array that in any event we will be able to etc. are given an initial advantage of Rs. 75 safeguard our frontiers. when they are from G. D. O. category. There after they are given flying bounty which for It is heartening to find from the Report of merly used to be Rs. 150. Now it is Rs. 350. the Ministry that the Research arid Deve Shortly it is going to be Rs. 500 per month. lopment Department is making its presence Just as Hying bounty is given to the G.D felt in all the three branches of the defence Pilots, there is no reason why maintenance armada. By yoking the services of the univer bounty should not be given to the technical sities and big industrial houses, they have staff1 who are not only graduates but are also broad-based the whole research and given a doing an arduous task, because at the time of national character to the problems of the de war it is the planes that are on the ground fence forces. The pace of research and the which are the first target of the attack of the implementation of the laboratory inventions, enemy. Therefore, a risk allowance should however, leaves much to be desired and it is be given to these technical staff though it may hoped that the Minister will see to it that in not be the same as the bounty given to the this age of science and spaed we do not lag G.D. Pilots. At the time of sending persons for behind. higher studies to S aff College also the O.D. pilots are given preference ; the technical staff Apart from the personal valour and collec rarely gets any chance of going to staff colleges tive striking power of the defence services, we for getting higher training. have two main responsibilities to discharge. The first is that we must provide the forces The reason for all this is that there is no with the latest and best of weapons, and the integration of the technical branches at the top 269 D, a& is the case with the army. In the army some country like Korea or Vietnam where there is the engineering staff, the technical staff. they can be dumped. I condemn such They get the same pay as the other fighting suggestions which have been made in this forces. Therefore there is no quarrel so House thoughtlessly. They do not seem to far as the engineering staff is concerned. realise the gravity of the situation. They may Here we have made such discrimination feel that if we have the atom bomb our between the DG pilots and the technical staff country will be like any other country. that the technical staff has naturally bccome disgruntled. AN HON. MEMBER : Soviet Union. Therefore my request to the Defence Mini SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am dis ster is lhat he should look into these questions cussing the defence matters of the Indian more carefully and see that the grievances of Union ; not the Soviet Union. Sir, much has the technical staff are removed because been said about creating a war psychosis. My ultimately the entire work hus to be done by hon friend says that everything was decided proper coordination of the technical staff and by Mussolini and Hitler and all others by war. the flying pilots. In this case what we arc This is true. But the ruination of their doing is this. So far as the flying squad is countries also came through war. So, let us concerned, a pilot officer, the lowest officer gets realise— a pay which is equal to the Squadron leader's pay. This means we are giving a G. D pilot an artificial and additional dignity and status. MR. CHAIRMAN : Please finish within So far as status and dignity are concerned, the two minutes. pay and economic position matter consi derably ...... (Interruptions) The Pay Com SHRI S. M. BANERJEE ; Please make mission may look into it. I do not mind who it at least five minutes. Let somebody else looks into it. But I can request only the sacrifice so that I can speak ! Defence Minister here. The point is. we should not talk about My second point is this. The research and war. We are not afraid of war. Our army development department should be goaded is not afraid of war, but why should we create further to do research work more quickly and a war psychosis and thus create a favourable implement same. This is the age of science condition for black marketers and vested and the more speed we show and the more interests to rob our country and rob the sofisticated weapons we produce and hand common people ? War will affect our eco them over to the personnel concerned, the nomy, and it does not help anybody except better will be the output of those persons. In the big sharks who arc exploiting the working the war of 1965 although our weapons were class and exploiting the nation as a whole. not so nice the staff was disciplined. I would request the Defence Minister to look into Then I come to certain points relating to these aspects ; the discrimination made against the question of employees. I hope you, Sir, the technical staff should be stopped, and as the champion of the employees’ cause, will secondly, the research and development should kindly give me some time. Much has been be goaded to take further action. said about defence problems. I congratulate the army, the air force and the navy and the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : I officers and the jawans for doing a wonderful was surprised to hear the speech of my han. job. I hope India will do well. I also friend who had just spoken and also another congratulate the workers, the ill-fed and ill- speaker who pleaded for the manufacture of the clad workers, who are awaiting the Pay Com* atom bomb. We have discussed this matter mission’s award, for the wonderful job they several times In this House and we know have done during 1962 and 1965. Even nuclear weapons being deterrent, once we start today, as the President of the All India manufacturing atom bomb there is going to be Defence Employees Federation, I assure the an armaments race. With its meagre resour bon. Defence Minister lhat, whether it is in ces India li a poor country and we shall not Ishapore, Cossipore, Kanpur, Khamaria or be able to compete in that. Then war psych* Jabalpur, all the ordnance factory employees osis will have to be created and every time, will defend their land with all their might and like the Untied States, we shall have to find they will never lag behind. 271 D. G. (Min. o f JULY 8, J97J Defence) 272 AN HON. MEMBER : With their Bengal, Kanpur or anywhere, there is shortage dandas ot work. The main reason is, the workload in regard to several items being given to the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Not dandas private sector. The hon. Minister assured us nor with atom bombs ; with their hard in this House that this will not be done any work. longer in the case of the ordnance factories. I would request him to realise that the private There are certain problems concerning the sector which ditched him in 1962 and 1965 defence employees. First of ail, the Railway will also ditch him now, especially certain big Board has decided to take a representative of contractors. The ordnance factory workers defence employees on the Board. The other are prepared to work without overtime ; they day. The Deputy Minister, Shri Qureshi, will do anything for Bangla Desh. I would assured us. 1 earnestly request the hon. request that this contract system should be Defence Minister, Shri Jagjiwan Ram, who abolished in the ordnance factories. championed the cause of labour when he was the Labour Minister, to include a represen In conclusion, I would only request the tative of defence employees on the Ordnance hon. Minister to restore the permanent Production Board. As President of the negotiating machinery I know the case is Federation, I am prepared to sit with the pending with him. Something should be INTUC and evolve a common name in this dons, so that the All India Defence connection. Employees’ Federation also join the JCM I am sorry my young friend, Shri Das Then, there is need for the abolition of Munsi, said that political parties should not the contract system of labour. It is a hot be allowed to go to Ishapur and Cossipore. bed of corruption. The distinction between Is that a prohibited area, where only the industrial and non-industrial employees should Chatra Parishad or Mr. Sidhartha Shankar also be done away with. In view of the fact Ray should be allowed to go and not S. M. that the country is said to be moving towards Banerjee or anyone else ? Political cons socialism and if it really feels like hat, the ciousness means consciousness to defend the distinction between industrial and non country. For a non-political worker, money industrial worker should be done away will be the only incentive and national interest with. can never be the incentive. Then, another request is this. The hon. Also, 1 request that proper representation Minister agreed in principle that all the should be given to the scheduled castes and employees should be treated alike. But the tribes, as dccided by the Supreme Court. It casual employees have not been paid the has not yet been implemented. It is shame interim relief as yet. The can'een employees on us. With these words, 1 request the who are working along with the factory Minister to throw light on all these points. workers, along with the depot workers, and along wt*h the Inspectorate workers are not PROF. S. L. SAKSENA: Sir, I have being treated as Government employees. a request to the Defence Minister. He has been our greatest Labour Minister, He has Last but not the least, I would like to say been our greatest Food Minister, who gave us that trade union rights should be restored to the green revolution and the highest cane* those working in the Jammu and Kashmir price. Now as Defence Minister, he should area. Certain concessions have been with give us the most powerful army, armed with drawn from the defence employees posted in nuclear weapons. the Jammu and Kashmir area—whether it is Srinagar, Udampur or Jammu. They have sram been declared as peacetime areas. So, why have not the trade union rights been restored ? % w r v m m m I would request the Minister to see that their % fwq r |srr # i t trade union rights are restored. sft $TfaFT arwrar* ^ rr «rr$err j aftt Then there is the question of shortage of r o f g a t e * ? work in the ordinance factories. Whether in fa =5# f?r wrar sft | ft? foy 273 D* 6 (Min. of ASAPH A 17, 1893 (SAKA) Defence) 274 ^ «it ^»t % fa** a te f*re^ spw t % i f ^ fa trra te g ^ *t aiwrc fa*r i f t | 1 Jf 3*r * h ir «ft ^ r t jf ftw rn v w x^ f t o faster § fm wj | , ^ r ? t ?rcq» tw i * m t e 11 *f *nwren g fa If fkeJcTT I a te arre 3TR^ 8P3» r araRn: ? m t srm% *r$r arc ^ %3nft*r 1 1 *rarc#sf«ft 1 1 0 v* wftffff % fa? TOfar- arhir *ri% %q | ^Ppt ?pr srn^t ^ arm ?mr t| Srfar $if *«rcr ^ | fa ^ r •STT^ Ifa ^ fft 977*7: 3TT% fWF f s R fr«fT if $*t snr^ ^r ^ t w t qft ^t »t - aft ST^R T^fT ^ fa?T SRTI7: ftWTWT s t e * t e t | J «?r $wnr if srar fa r m if ^ ^ ^ wr si?t 1 1 ^ n i : m % *T T KRT f3TT I ? *TS? fa*T % fa «T^TSt % «tir ^fft 5P^ % 3TT% ^r spt T8STT % *r js* ^farrc fairr spt T^rr % fetT t o t {Shri N. Sreekantan Nair] 19 hrs. tiling unrealistic. Let me quote tho report : There is nothing wrong in approaching that country and asking for a limited protection— "While the nuclear capacity of China no protection of Delhi and the most vital sectors doubt constitutes an important factor in of our military force with very sophisticated the total spectrum of threats to our galgets and necessary missites. I am prepared security, its credibility has to be judged by to concede the principle that we must meet several criteria, such as the political or all the expenditure. Whatever be the total military advantages that may be derived expenditure we have to find it. It is our duty from such an attack, its repercussions on to see that the expenditure is met. the world situation and the reaction of advanced countries to nuclear powers.” Then, Sir, I come to the question of pay scales. Apart from the merits of the question, This day-dreaming is being done at a time the satisfaction of our Armed Forces is our when 6 million refugees have come to India. greatest asset. The pay-scales have been In spite of that, what is the reaction of the revised, the pension scalcs have also been world powers, the real repercussion of that revised but what is the wonderful reward to on the capitalist countries ? Most of them, the worker ; what is the wonderful remune beaded by America, expanded substantially ration to the Army soldier. Sir, the soldier the supply of arms and ammunitions to gets Rs. 60/- and the other menial servants Pakistan. Even the ultra-revolutionary get Rs. 47/— dearness allowance is Rs. 57/- Chinese Maoist government expedited the and only Rs. 47/- is counted as dearness pay. supply of arms and ammunition to Pakistan. Until and unless the jawan gets a promotion as No country in the world hps come forward a Naik he does not get a single rupee as incre with offer of arms and ammunitions to India, ment. What do we say about this remuneration. or even to the Bangladesh government. Is it something to be proud of and something Therefore, we cannot depend on world opinion to be made much of in our Report. to be our protectors. If there is going to be an atomic attack against India, naturally the MR. CHAIRMAN: How much more world opinion will cry hoarse in righteous time, Mr. Nair, you will take ? indignation against China but our country will be lost. Therefore, we have to provide SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR : I something against nuclear attack by China. have hardly started. I do concede that to have an anti-ballistic missile umbrella is impossible even for MR. CHAIRMAN: So you continr America And Russia. It is quire impossible your speech tomorrow. for India. We know that we have to depend on some of the friendly countries for the 18 02 hrs. defence of our country. We know that The Lok Sabha then adjourned ' ground to air missiles have been supplied Eleven of the Clock on Friday, Ju to us by Russia. 197J/Asadha 18,1893 {Saha). Printed a t : Shahdara Printing Press, K-18 Navin Shahdara, Ddhi-32, 8-7-1971