Interview with Ms. Katherine Schwering
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Library of Congress Interview with Ms. Katherine Schwering The Association for Diplomatic Studies and TrainingForeign Affairs Oral History Project KATHERINE SCHWERING Interviewed by: Charles Stuart Kennedy Initial interview date: September 29, 2005 Copyright 2011 ADST [Note: This interview was not edited by Ms. Schwering.] Q: Today is the 29th of September 2005. This is an interview with Katherine Schwering. Do you go by Kathy, Katherine or what? SCHWERING: Both, but Katherine, I guess. Q: Katherine, when and where were you born? SCHWERING: Cheyenne, Wyoming in 1948. Q: Tell me something first about your father's side of the family? Where did they come from? SCHWERING: As far back as I know, pretty much Ohio. My father was an airline pilot. He was recruited by my mother's father just prior to World War II. My grandfather, my mother's father, had gotten into aviation. He originally started out as an accountant in Idaho, State Controller. He was a homesteader, my grandfather in Idaho, and my mother was actually born in a log cabin. Interview with Ms. Katherine Schwering http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib001639 Library of Congress Q: Oh, my goodness. SCHWERING: I'm not even sure a doctor was present. Her birth certificate is certified by a witness to the birth, not even by a doctor. Her father had seen that WWII was coming and had started working with the U. S. government to recruit young men to become pilots. My father was at Kent State University, and apparently so was my grandfather or somebody associated with this effort to train pilots for the upcoming war which, as you know, we weren't admitting to yet. My father heard this talk and thought this suited him, so left college and went into training and became a Navy pilot during World War II. Q: Do you have any idea of where he served? SCHWERING: Yes. He flew in the Pacific, but he was cargo, and search and rescue. He was not in the fighting. Q: The Pacific's a big place. None of that was easy. SCHWERING: No, particularly not with planes in those days. But he died when I was 13, so I only have bits and pieces of his history, but he loved flying. Q: Where do the Schwering's come from? Was it a German name? SCHWERING: Yes. We looked at a map, and there is a town by the name of Swerin without the “g”, in northern Germany, in what used to be East Germany. I've never been there, but I assume that's where we're from. Q: On your mother's side, what was their name, and where did they come from? SCHWERING: My mother's full name is Betty Churchill Thompson. She and her family sort of center around Illinois. That's where her parents met. They grew up in Joliet, Illinois. Her Interview with Ms. Katherine Schwering http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib001639 Library of Congress middle name is Churchill for a reason. Supposedly, my family is descended from a branch of the Churchill family of England, but I don't know any more than that. Q: Where did she go to school? SCHWERING: She went to Pomona College. She is a graduate. Q: She just died very recently, didn't she? SCHWERING: Last year. Q: Where did you grow up? Did you grow up in Cheyenne or move around? SCHWERING: We moved around all over the world and the United States. My father would stay in one job for a year or two and then go off and do another thing, and I suspect that's where I got my interest in travel. I have three brothers, none of whom travel. He met my mother during the war. They met at United Airlines. My mother's father was a vice- president. He helped create United Airlines. Q: All the airlines are very much involved in training military pilots. SCHWERING: Used to train, yes. My mother had been recruited during the war. She was a weather girl for United Airlines. She and my father met in my grandfather's office. My father was there for a visit. This was in California. They then got married in Texas, and my father went off to the war. My mother then went to the Great Lakes, to Illinois, to live with her family. After the war, in 1946, when my oldest brother was born, my father was probably assigned to the Great Lakes Naval Station. When my father got out of the military, they moved to Cheyenne. I'm not quite sure what he was doing there. I was born there. Q: Was he continuing to be a pilot? Interview with Ms. Katherine Schwering http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib001639 Library of Congress SCHWERING: Yes, or FAA inspector. Then we moved to Denver. I don't know why, though. Then, we were back in Cheyenne within a year where my second brother was born. Then we moved to Libya. My father was in a reserve unit that got called up for active duty when the Korean war began. Q: 1950. SCHWERING: The pilots based at Wheelus Air Force Base in Libya, the active duty pilots, were sent to Korea. My father was called up to replace them. Q: This would have been when you were about two years old? SCHWERING: No, four. It was 1952. Q: Did you stay at Wheelus a long time? SCHWERING: No. One thing about my father was that we always lived on the economy. We later lived in Iran, also on the economy. I supposed he could have lived at Wheelus, but we lived in town. I really didn't understand it at the time, but in Libya I went to an Italian Catholic nursery school. My mother didn't tell me that for years. I could never understand why I couldn't understand the nuns. She never told me it was a different language. I remember going to school in a horse or donkey drawn cart. Q: Did you pick up any Italian? SCHWERING: I suppose I did, but I don't remember any. We stayed in Libya only a couple of years. That's where my youngest brother was born. Q: Do you recall anything about the Libyan days outside of the fact that the nuns were talking a peculiar language? Interview with Ms. Katherine Schwering http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib001639 Library of Congress SCHWERING: My memory is all visual; it's all very much like the paintings of North Africa at the time with mud houses, the crowds, and orphans in the street. We had a house boy and a house maid. I do remember my mother got stung by a scorpion when she was pregnant with my youngest brother and had to spend days in bed. My father was, of course, not home. He never was home, because he was always flying. We had a friend come over. My mother survived that. Q: Where did you go after that? This would bring us to when you were six years old. SCHWERING: We moved to California for a year. Q: Where in California? SCHWERING: I think Oakland. My father decided to go back to school. He never finished college. With four children, he became a student at...I don't know exactly where, but he studied engineering and apparently washed telephone trucks to support the family while he was a student. That didn't last long, maybe a year, and then he got a job with I think Pan Am as a contract pilot for Iranian Airways, so we moved to Tehran. I went to second grade there. Q: How long were you in Iran? SCHWERING: A little over a year. Q: Do you recall anything about Iran? SCHWERING: Oh yes. Again, we lived on the economy. I went to a missionary school. Just before I retired, I worked with a gentleman about 25 years older than I, who, it turns out, had taught at that school. During the first part of life he was a missionary, and only joined the Foreign Service when he was in his 50's. He taught three or four years after I left, but we both knew that missionary school. It was an American missionary school. We Interview with Ms. Katherine Schwering http://www.loc.gov/item/mfdipbib001639 Library of Congress knew Persians, Armenians, and some American friends, but basically my father was most interested in where we were living. Q: You were pretty young, but did you get out in the street? SCHWERING: It wasn't really safe. There were very few cars in Tehran. We were one of the few. Goats, sheep, and camels would be herded past out house. While there was a High Law, there was too much of a danger of kidnapping, so we never went outside of the walls of our house, which seemed to be eight or ten feet tall. Q: This would have been about when? SCHWERING: 1955, '56. Q: This was about the time that they had that ??? SCHWERING: This was the time of the last Shah's father. He was very, very popular at the time. I remember going by billboards with his pictures on them. As I said, my father flew. He was one of the western pilots. In those days, third world countries didn't have their own pilots, so companies like TWA and Pan Am usually supplied the pilots. My father said he left Iran because the airline would not meet safety standards or follow them.