Fifth Series, Vol . XXII No. 28 Thursday, December 21, 1972 Agrahayana 30, 1894 (Saka)
Lok Sabha Debates
(Sixth Session)
(Vol . XXII, contains Nos. 21-29)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT New Delhi Price- Rs 2.00 CONTENTS COLUMHS No. 28. Thursdayi December, 21, 1972/Agrahayana 30, x894j(S) O ral Answers to Questions :
* *Sf|rrcd Questions Nos-. 541, 547, 542 to 546 and 549 to 552 . 1-30
'Written Answers to Questions:
Starred Questions N o f , 548 and 533 to 560 , « # . 30-37
Unstarred Quesions Nos. 5249 to 5402 ( . 37-165
Correction of Answer to Starred Questions Nos. 541 & 547
He. Mini Steel P l a n t s ...... 165
Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance
Situation in Assam ...... * • 165-302
He. Proceedings of the House ...... 202-08
Papers laid on the T a b l e ...... 208-09
Committee on Petitions—
M i n u t e s ...... 209
Messages from Rajya Sabha . . . 209-10 C jpital ofPunj ib (Develop im t and Regulation) Chandigarh Amend ment) Bill As pissed Rajya S a b h a ...... 310
Public Accounts Committee—
Fifty-fifth Report 210
Committee on Petitions—
Seventh Report ...... 2K>
KJomnvttee on Absence of Members from Sittings of the House . Eighth R e p o r t ...... aro
'S tarenvsnt R«. Expulsion of the first Ssjretary m ths High C?nm ission of Indi a in K a m p a l a ...... 2 z i-ia
Shri Surendra Pal S i n g h ......
*Tht sign-f mirk's J above th? mm', of a ncmibsriniicttes th v the questio* wm acruilly asksi on the floor of the H 3use by tint Member. 3fl20 tS.—l. « COLUMN* Business Advisory Committee-- Twenty-Second R e p o r t ...... 21$
Matter under Rule 3 7 7 -
Letter from Chief Secretaiy, Haiyena to the Comptroller ?ud Auditor General of India for condvcting inquiiy in the affairs of Haryana State Electricity Board...... 213-18:
Mulki Rules Bill— Motion to*consider...... 218-35$; Shri iRam.Niwaks M i r d h a ...... 218-21 Shri B. N. R e d d y ...... 228-33*. Shri K. Raghu Rnmaiah . . . . , . . 233-41 Shri Y. Eswara Re Icily . . . ‘ . . . . 241-49* Shrimati T. LMs«hm‘'kanthamma ...... 250- $- Shri Jaganaath R 10 Joshi ...... 256-65 Shri Jagannath R a o ...... 265.67 Shri G. Viswanat h ? n ...... 357“73 Dr. G.S. M e l k o t t * ...... 273-81 Shri Frank A r .th o n v ...... 281-86 Shri Pattabhi Rtma R a o ...... 287-S<* Prof. Madhu D a n d a v a tc ...... 289-93 Shri P.V. B. R < j j u ...... 293*94 Shri Maganti A n k in e c d u ...... 294-95 Shri Nathu Ram M i r d h a ...... 295-99* Shri M. Satyanatayan Rao ...... 299-305 Shri J. Rim^shwar R a o ...... 305-ia< Shri Yeshwuitrao Chivan ...... 310-17 Shri S.B. G i r i ...... 317-21 ^ Shrimati Indira G a n d h i ...... 321-3r Clauses 2 to 7 and 1 and isi and 2nd Schedik'— Motion to p a s s ...... 24*
Indian Penal Code (Anrndm-snt) Bill— Motion to concur in Rajya Sabha reccnunednations to ioin in Joint Com m ittee...... 355-5$ Shri Ram Kiwai Mirdha . . . , , , . 355-56* LOK SABHA DEBATES
I LOK SABHA 2
Thursday, December 21, 1972/ decisions have been taken on the pending Agrahayana 30/h 1894 (Saka) applications received for setting up of scrap-based electnc-fornace cum conti- The Lok Sabha met at Ele\en of the nuous-castmg units for manufacture of Clock steel ingots/billets m the Chair (Mr Speaker ] DR H P SHARMA Sir, when the ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS question of this inordinate delay m coming to a final decision about pending MR. SPEAKER Dr H F Sharma applications for setting up of these mim- plants came up before the Estimates Com- DR, H P SHARMA Q No 541 mittee last year, the Government went on THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND record to say that there has been a delay, MINES (SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA of long as a year and a half But when a pointed question was put to the Gov- llANGALAM) Sir, may I submit Q ernment, why such a long delay has been No 541 and Q No 547 may be taken up together because both these Questions there, the Government came out with the answer that the question of development Dover the same subject? of this industry has been under considera- MR. SPEAKER Yes Shn MukhUar tion from the policy point of view Singh Malik—not here I find so far as Now, another year has gone by and to a decision about the grant of licences. were not present at that time. Your Q~ W«_ set u..:i a \\!crkinJ Group on the avail- tion is also Jinked with this Question. You nbi!1ty of ferro-scrap and it has made its can put it now. recommendations that licences sp.ould be_ granted to the extent of the production of SHRL. . MUKHTIAR SINGH MALIK; 2QQ,QQO tQ.nnes a Year. That is to say, the Q. No. _,?47. · amount of scrap available would only satisfy or rather would meet the needs Applications for Grant of Licences foi of producing units to produce 200,000 Mini Steel Plants tonnes a y~ar. Having received the rePart· o.f that Working Group, we are now *547. SHE.I MUKHTIAR ~INGR taking a final decisi~n . as to ~horn such MALIK: licenees sh~uld be granted. SHRI BIRENQER SINGH Rfo: DR. H. P. SHARMA: Do I under- Will .the. Minister. ' . . of STE.EL- ,. \..i. AND stand Government's position corn:ctly tbat MINES be pleased to state: · all the .pending applications .have been p,rocessed and. a decision has been taken (a) the number of applications, state- and that the pending ~c;Iecision r.efers only wis~, received by the Governrp~n t .\t'lHnl to subsequent applications? the last one year for the grant of licence. for setting up Mini-Steel Plants in ~~ A,g11ip, ~n rt:g~rd to part (b) of the cot1ntry; and QtJestion, reg~rqing t4e time when the ]inits will go into production to which (b) the names of firms who, h~Ye ~PP.~ tP,.eY . haye ~ln;~dy gn\nted letters of in- for s4ch plants? tent, -t4e Gov~rnment's reply was-:-1 arµ THE MINISTER OF STEEL .AND quoting from the 20th Report of the MINES (SHRI S<. MOHAN i<.UMARA- E~t\~a~es · C9mmgtee-that electric f4r- MANGALAM): (a) and (b) A st~temi:lt,_ naces .P.ii:Ye l:llr~~dy been 9rqered ~ n4 indicating applications (state-wise) re- will be commissioned mostly in 1972, in • , ' ' · •· '~ ·· t r f.: ceived from Q.ecember, 1971 up-to-date fot earlier part of 1972. Can the Govern- setting up elecrric-furnace cum ~ontin~Oll! Went give a factual position as to /whether casting plants ·for mariufacture' o,f . 's~ the assurance th .~t they will be commis- ingots/billets has been laid on the Talilo sioned by 1972 has bfen implemented of ·the House. [Pl~ced i~ Library. "see ~ Pd, if so, what is the actual position No. LT-4112/72.] ·• today? SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- SHRI "M.UKHTIAR S<~NGH M~ LAM: Regarding that,· I will have to ask The Minist,er has already if)formed tho the hon. Member to put a separate Ques- House that action is being taken on tllD tion: ~r, if he writes to me, I can give him applications received by the Gove~nt. the reply. J am not sure what stage they I would /jke to ask him if pe !~ ·:1 ~ position to fix any date by whicp. t4e& have reached. The hon. Member may 1 remember, earlier, in this House as well as applications are likely to be disp0sed :i in the other House, the question has been SHRI S. MOHAN KUMAR~~~I:{- answered that these plants have been per- GALAM: I expect that at the latest itJii.9. fuitted to import continuous-casting units a month, we should be able to' .a from outside. They will come into pro- t;ke decision regarding' how many ·of the~ 103 duction at the- earliest. At the moment, I applications ·can be granted. But, ,I Jljjnk. do not have the facts with me as to .how it would be only proper for/ me to _teJLP.,. ---mittty--hiwe-- - aetually ~c-Ome-imo--production. House that out of th.ese .103 appli~J1.tioM, If .the hon . . Member" would put c·a separate probably, only 4 qm be m:a,l).~ep t~i.~ ,ear Question, I can give that information. · peca,.u;e the . t?t~~ prpductiqi:i wJiich 1111 Committee has advised us for which scrap MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Mukhtiar _Singh would be available is 200,000 tonnes .. 0.. Malik, your name was called to put your policy is to grant licences to units for pnr- Question along with this Question but you ducing 500,00 tonnes each per annu.m. //' Oral Ans1vers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Orqf_Answers 5 -~ SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: The MR. SPEAKER: Ask a quesion~ Minister in his reply has said that the number of lincencees cannot be increased .SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: because of the scarcity of scrap. Is it not Before considering new applications, I .a fact that hundred thousand tonnes of want to know whether Government has any plan to see that there is no unutilised scrap are being exported to Japan while our own plants are starving because of capacity in existing plants. non-availability of scrap? " SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- GALAM: With all respect to the hon. &HRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- Member who put the question, I do not GALA M: The hon. Member is not cor- rectly informed. That was the position think there i:> any connection between the earlier. We are not now exporting question of licensing some of these new ferrous scrap. plants and under; utilisation in the major integrated steel plants. We consume as SHRI K. S. CHAVDA: May I know much steel as is produced. We want to from the Government whether Govern- see that the utilisation in the integrated ment has laid down any definition of steel plant is increased, to the maximum mini-steel plants? My question arises be- extent possible. We would also like to cause the question refers to mini-steel make the maximum use of scrap that 1s plants under public and private sectors. available in order to increase the produc- There are two questions on this. That is tion of steel. why I am asking this. What is the defi- nition of mini-steel plant? Setting up of new International Control SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- GALAM: Government, to my knowledge, Commission for Indo-China has never used the description of mini- 542. SHRI P. ':'GANGADEB: .steel plant. Government has always re- ferred to units manufacturing mild steel SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKOD- ingots or billets in electric furnaces through KAR: either conventional or continuous casting process, using ferrous scrap as their prin- Will the Minister of EXTERNAL cipal raw material. That is the correct AFFAIRS be pleased to state: definition according to the Government. (a) whether there is a move for setting &HRI K. S. CHAVDA: What is the up of a new Four-Nation International maximum capital investment allowed to Control Commission for Indo-China; be invested in regard to the mini-steel (b) if so, the reaction of Government in plants? the matter;· and MR. SPEAKER: Your question should also be a mini-question. ( c) whether India is still functioning as a Member of International Control Com- SHRI DINEN BHATIACHARYYA: mission for Indo-Chiha? May I know from the Government whe- I tlier they are considering this aspect, that THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE iS, whether they are considering to increase MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS the existing production of the steel piants (SHRI SURENDRA PAL S·INGH) : (a) that are already in operation, but not fully Nothing definite is known as yet about the utilised, . ... proposed International Control Commission for Vietnam and India has not been for- SfJRi S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- mally apprised of the position. GALAM: I could not follow the question. (b) It is a matter to be decided primarily &HRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: by the consent and agreement of the There is a certain complaint that there is parties concerned. large quantity of unutilistd capacity in the .ixisting steel plants. (c) Yes, Sir, 7 Oral Answers DECEMBER 2l# 1972 Oral Aliment SHRI P. GANG \DEB; In view of the f l f TrrfV jt •sar ftp a e n ff & recent escalation m the Vietnam war, 1 'vo'* J h" f to knbw from the Minister as toff % t o wr ^ m * to w^at role the Government is envisaging vrcr*FrTO*$ % i i m w w i v v m for the international Control Commission. I fo % t o SFRnsrf m f w r r w x 5* * SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH: As regards India’s views on the escalation ^ tor ^ aft | fa f a m of the Vietnam war, they are very well- Jr ?rat ftr % <«ir m m known to the House. The House also t o m w frrm | ? knows that the International Control Com- mission functions for establishing pence, But then when war is going on in Viet- sit g fc i a f t | f% nam, there is very little that the ICC can iTFj*r fsrr t f SHRI SURENDRA PAL StNCHfe % f*PFT apfw T % PlHfaf qfr So far, we have u*t been asked by aov Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAXA) Oral Answers t o any policy to become a member of this Iron Ore Mines Labour Union have been commission requested to indicate who Is the teal Geo** ral Secretary of the Union. SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA My question WAS that is this the reason why Govern SHRI D K PANDA It has been ad- meat has decided to speak m mute tones mitted by the Ministry that the Daitari about the new bombing? They have not Mines Labour Union had been recognised ^expressed their condemnation or anything by the Central Regional Labour Commis- o f that sort sioner nine months ago The question is whether any recommendation has been SHRt SURENDRA PAL SINGH made to the management for tmng re About the question of bombing, the House cognition to this particular labour union Already knows that the Foreign Minister The answer is that because there are two lias made a statement m the House We general secretaries therefoie they are have expressed our distress and anguish considering the person with whom they and disappointment What more do the should correspond But that is not the Members want? question, the mam point is that the man* agement is now playing the game of SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA What is divide and rule .anguish and distress? * SHRI PIIOO MODY He wants the MR SPEAKER Ask a question "Government to do it every day SHRI P GANGADEB May I ask one SHRI D K PANDA I am coming to more question? it Without explanation, how can I ask a question? MR SPEAKER The hon Member has already gone up to the limit, namely two There is also another rival Union head- -supplementary questions ed by a Congress MLA who is hand M glove with the Mahtab group and that Recognition of Daitary Iron Ore Mines group is against the present Ministry The Labour Union man ncn w ints to creite a rift between these i wo unions *543 SHRI D K PANDA Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- TATION be pleased to state MR SPEAKER 1 have not been ap- proving of these long prefemables and in- (a) whether the Daitary Iron Ore Mines troductions Ask a straight question seek- Labour Union, Orissfa has been recom ing information, not giving it mended by the Labour Ministry for recog* ration, and (b) if so, the result thereof? SHRI D K PANDA Some things have been supressed Therefore, I ask the hoa. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Minister whether any specific steps have 'MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHA- been taken to accord recognition to the BILITATION (SHRI BALGOVIND VER- Daitary Mines Labour Union If so on MA) (a) Yes, Sir. what date, and what are the contents cl such direction? (b) The management informed the Gov- ernment that since two persons have claim- ad to be the General Secretaries of the Union they should be advised as to with THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AN1> whom they should correspond in the REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHA- matter The Registrar of Trade Unions, DILKAR) There » no justification in Offesa as well fcs the concerned Central saying that the authorities aie interested tm Organisation of Workers of the Daitol dividing the unions aad ruling over tlm»* II Oral A nswers rataattrta, t v n O re/ Answers Q» *be contrary, ®t &e present Juncture, as to which tfriion carries the majority o f unions are dividing tfcerosdves by shifting workers with a. Now there ait i*rd> their loyalties. In' this case, die same thing Unions. Imp happened. la such a position, the sajpiy h*» quite clearly indicated that we MR. SPEAKER: Kindly cut out jfttm - ^tpp^st ascertain at the present juncture who ductions. is, the man representing the pfarticular (JpiQa, because we had verification before SHRI,S1*AYAM SUNDER MOHAPA- TRA: The verification part is the most apd on that basis we can deal with him. important. When the verification waft- SHRI D. K. PANDA: Again the main made, the Union was fen 1NTUC Union* qpeatkm has been evaded. The question of Now one year has passed. Ip the mean- two General Secretaries lias been reported time, all the workers when they ipund by the management to the Government, I that the Union has become an A ltU C w^nt to know whether that matter has been Union, en masse resigned. In the present inquired into, because at the time when context of the situation, do Government the Labour Ministry accorded recognition propose to have any fresh verification to the particular Union, they found that satisfy themselves as to which Union car- a particular General Secretary was there, ries the majority of workers. if there is another report that there is SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA; Verifi- another General Secretary of the same cation has taken place and we do not in- Union, has the Labour Ministry made any tend to go in for another verification We Inquiry to find out^who is the second Sec- have already passed ordeis to the manage retary who is claiming also to be the Gene- ment to recognise the Daitary Ore Mines ral Secretary. ! want to know specifically Union whether any inquiry has been made by the Ministry? *TT*T?IT 5>T m m SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: As I have sta r $ Ydready indicated, if the loyalties of the ’T far % *n«r i Union Secretary shift, we will have to % m m grrcr wY fwrqr make inquiries. We have made inquiries. 7 On the basis of verification and inquiry *rr 11 wt ^ 1 proper action will be taken. SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: Actually, there was mter-umon rivalry and, therefore,, SHRI D. K PANDA: My question is, it wfes necessary to know as to who is who are the two Secretaries? Who is the actually the general secretary looking aftei second Secretary whose name has been the affairs of the union. Accordingly, we submitted and whether the credential of addressed the letter to the Registrar of that particular Secretary have been gone Trade Unions and also to the Govern- into? ment. $HRI BALGOVIND VERMA: Two spines have been furnished to us. One is C. R. Puruthal and the other Sul R.3 ft im t g % e r f w R % N. Das, Unofficially. I have come to know that Shri R. N. Das, who was offi- cially Secretary hfes resigned. Still In- miry is going on. The date for inquiry ^1“ 11 TW |Rwf ft WPT WW Is i i December, 1972. t TOR-wr 3ri£r v* S t m SH1CAM SUNDSR MOHA- I f f IIHf U S K A : Government him* to be satisfied I iJWT Miu'Pfw n , w WvFTx V f I g Oml A m w m AGRAHAYANA 30. J894 (SAKA) Oral Answers 1< . ITOr V TwJ IW rt f V6 Ww ^T*WPf *Pt THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE- FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE MI- #^#8rTft«^t#ft#*f*SreT SHRI V AS ANT SATHE: What will IT* u tttt i w s w Toe the total cost in the form of premium if all the personnel of the defence forces i97o^8vT«m officer and Rs. 5 per month for each of wt *rf I *?r ^ra*rrft the personnel below officer rank, for a ®T f3RR | ? life insurance cover of Rs. 30,000 for officers and Rs. 5,000 for the latter. «rt wwftfim *r vn’nfhi sr f f t % wrrcfsR: ^t sr: + *Ft ^ I * t s r e r f a s r i *545. *ro tntftarcnm : *xrn% ’Tift 5PIjT ^ f% *pT ®Pt tfr© wto «rar «fhn : ^ i fpr ^ | far fir *pt*t i w % wt « t^ tt sft «ft w m tftar f qT f r : vrrafMt qrc smrcr f *fft m *rrar% fa^rr to r tfhc labour within its purview, i& there any proposal in the Ministry to bring the % WTOT* ^ fa «f 7!TT fa contract labourers within the purview of anr? tosrrf % ^p p fa a comprehensive legislation*? HT^ t #SFT*T foTO - i t m i t e v n rt^ R £ ^ «ft ^ td *i HT : *wr tp ^ t ^ft zio SHRI BALGOVIND VLRMA At «ftf «iwftfiw *nrf: enrw the present stage of our economy, we do * rw rft 7 ^ s r > tr ^ r t *rr*ft ft, ^ not intend to p^hibit contract labour. %*T ?HTT fW 11 *ptt SHRI BHOGFNDRA JHA I am talking of five layers of contract labour. gmr fa « p tw f t Tfr « t fr*r t o t VRSTft «P^r t SHRT BALGOVIND VERMA* » there are certain conditions under which the contract labour can be employed, we SHRI D B CHANDRA GOWDA, do not intend to prohibit that in vn&w of the fact that the contract labourers tie at the mercy of the con- MR SPEAKER Some of the con* tractors and the present labour legisla- tractors employ other sub-contracton. tion like the Minimum Wages Act and He wants to know whether Acre is any 4he Bonus Apt do not attract contract intention to stop that Qwt Amwets DECEMBER 21, 1 m Oral Answers SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: All the SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYVAr {contractors are controlled tinder this Act. Even 25 yean after Congress rrffe MS* Therefore, there need not be any appre- is regular looting and plundering $ £ hension on that ground. contract labour. Government have V^m k- an Act for the regulation of dontnfcf: SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: If he does labour. May I know whether gov*tti» not know the answer, he should ask for mem have even assessed what is die totals, time. In Hindustan Construction Limited number of contract labour in the ppolfc there are five layers of contractors. Is sector, including railways? that going to be ended? THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA- DILKAR): We have no information on *rsr f w | f a ’Rsrr SHRI A. P. SHARMA. The hon I advise ’all of you not to mention names Minister just now sai'd that there arc of parlies in this fashion. 1,700 contractors in this country. May 1 know why government departments like SHRI DINEN BHATIACHARYYA: They say that their policy is to abolish railways, defence and P&T employ con- contract labour. Have they made an tractors? Could they not take up the works deparuncntally'7 Is it the intention assessment of contract labour? of the government that the workers should be deprived of their rightful wage, SHRI R K* KHADILKAR: So far as- because the contractors always pay the public sectoi undertakings are concerned, workers less? we have no definite figures with us as to who have got themselves registered^ by them. SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR* Where- ver it is possible, the departments have been advised to discontinue the contract SHRI TR1D1B CHAUDHURI: Fran* system But it depends on their judg- the figures of registered contractors given ment. As my colleague has said, at the by the hon. Deputy Minister, their num- present stage of development, it is not ber does not seem to be very large. The always possible to absorb them and make reason is that many contractors* firms them departmental workers. have not registered themselves. Is tfierr any proposal under the coosideration SHRI A. P. SHARMA: Why should the government to advise at least flF government employ contractors? What public sector enterprises to employ otiiy are the circumstances in which h is not registered contractors so that they may b t possible to do the work departtnentally? brought under the purview of fhe fipJP this has been passed. Otherwise, the B ill' SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: Even the would be observed more in breach titan* rtflways have been advised that they in its proper implementation. Is Itierff should not get the wolrk done on a con- any such proposal under the cofitffaft* tract basis. But it is ultimately their tion of the Qovornmeftt? Ifevfe tbef' &d$ion and their judgment as to whether coittected the public sector authorities?" want contract labour or jget the It so, what has been thtfr t4sp«Mii* ftr, fhirtc dotie departmentaljy. this regard? Tffr Oral Amwtts AGRAHAVXNA 30, 18*4 <&*£4) 0«rf 2 ft m m * BAmOVIND VE&MA, Th* enforceable against them and not against p&Hc Hbdm vndertakmss have been ad* the Centra! Government or Bharat Coking «H*d employ only such contractors Coal Limited Section 23 of the Act pro- iMWe got themselves r«g»teied vides that the sums due to rh; State atm, *® far aft lh© prmrte sector is con- Government as royalty rent, or dead rent ^dticd, there is some trouble shall be given priority t over all other unsecured debts not being the amounts SHBI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI Are advanced by the Central Government or titty employing only registered contrac- the Custodian for the management of the coking coal mines The Government of Bihar had requested that since the ways SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA I think and means position of the S|ate Govern- 4fey are. ment was critical and resources had to be mobilised for development programmes ffW T HfW and for meeting the severe drought situa- «*$irarftr Tunsft tion, the Central Government may ensure that all the arrear royalties are paid in ♦ 5 4 6 tp?o q « o qpHft f*T this year itself The State Government’s attention has been drawn to the relevant ifw m ifa ww *rsft * 5 ^ ff to * w r i«ns %faqyfrv*re SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- «ft *n $ w m «f : %^hr ^pvn; ^pt LAM; Whatever be the amount, whether $*rctfT far^rc ^ tw r % *r?s % q»?r it is Rs. 3 58 crores or any other amount, ft* % *r% 3 * % *rr«r | . . . . ( s * * - it is for the Bihar Government to assess that amount and make an application to * f t ) ... *r$t, %^r w *ft *?fr the Commissioner of Payments. The t > *?ff%*r srfar *rr?^ % so srrsr Commissioner of Payments will give a ‘decision as to what is the correct amount *t»nrw*&F% f^r t and no money will be paid to the mine- t f t r %m fr % trt vt 2 w rr ?rk owners until whatever amount is due as if»rrct$ftf«rcff % royalty to the Bihar Government or any* other Government is paid. sw lsfrcsftfs tftpr i spT t| | | iftTwnwn? snpprt: sr*ftwt *ft WV* : i{i\ % qciW TT s* STT'T# STTTcT mtft nr* sftrc *r *F£r % ^ ^TTf^ zpr #BT«mrf^»R f t Tfr «rr *sr % T TW t Wft faf«PtfST fTT^W % (b) Under the Vienna Convention oa* Diplomatic Relations, 1961, there is no f —f*r # fa# w r *fan: vt vtf obligation on Government to permit faci- lities for carriage of goods, mail and per* f www r i f f fiWT t , «w % ?r*rm *ro- sonnel connected with diplomatic missions.. *nr *r#*f OTipn"rer Government does not normally allow, fWT arnFTT I as a matter of policy, flights by foreign military aircraft over Indian territory, ex- twwwir wiFJft: 3R 737 *tpt cept in very special cases, which are con- sidered on their merits. This rule is ap- % itt]l.ere is no. obligation on the part pf . the Return of-. Fprm(!r_ ,B!'Pgl.i!'~es~ ~~fugeesoto · Goy,en~ment to permit fa~iliti.es for car- . India ' . •" . riiige of goods, etc. ·At the 'same tim.e •:in thj< Ja~t p~rt of the answer, he has sta: *550. SHRI PILOO MODY: Will tj:ie '1eg t.h ~ t Permisskm hCJ.s been · given to Minister of LABOUR AND REHABlLf- countries like USA, 'France, Burma, TATION be pleased to state the. mp:i;iper _ 1(::anC).da, _Iran, etc. I want to know as to of such former refugees from Bangla- 'what is t)le necessity for the Government desh as have returned to India during the · ~q permit the USA Gqyern!Jlep.t again to last two,, months? •{!'{er:Jly oµr cpuntry. SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH: There THE ·DEPUTY ,tv!INISTER IN TIJE ··appears to be a little confusion in the MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHA- BIUTATION (SHRI . BALGOVlND ··re.ind of the hon. Member. We have al- ·1,oyted milit11ry aircraft of USA and other VERMA): According · to the information ·-countri.es to overfly o.ur country, bur not so far received from the Sta.t.e ', Govern· ment~ ·t? service their rriissi().ns in .this country and the rehabilitation projects in India, about 1400 famili~s of migrants, ()f elsewhere or .to car/y any gqods etc., for them. These Were militai). aircraft who had come to Ind.ia prior to tbe 25th. J/assing over this country and we gave March, 1971 and had gone over to Bangla- ··them permission on reciproq1l . basis. What p,esh aft~r , its liberation have returned i<> I~dia during the, la~t t~o n;ont-hs "t.' ·ur · "'e. have banned are military ai.rcr~ft, com- ~ . . . ing to India carrying suppii.es to the mis- -s}ons and ·other establi.s!:tments in this Del~y in Implementation of .Kudremu.J. ·-country. That was banne.d. But the over ' 1~on- Project in Mysare ·· <.:~ ·flights are not PC).niied in this country. .. - .... _, l' ·-·· •' ., ' :- Any friendly country can ask for such per- . mis~iqn and permission is given on the *551. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: ' ~ ii\'T~<. SHRI M. RAM GOPAt REDt)Y: WU1 14 a f r r c r f a w It be a Central project or will the State also contribute something? 4 «n^E^Rr fcium , ^ m m SHAHNAWAz KHAN: ft is a m ^rrf tar m C tntnl project with foreign collabora- fW?| 4 q’rS ra aftTO f i m t — tion. ^ 3TRT | ? SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Would you link it up with the iron ore reserves *TT WTwiWW «PRt • Wh in Calicut? Jsr < t^ T r q^tsr *r SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: No, Sir. farer | q r ^ qsNfeipr industrial Cables (India) Limited qqrfq ft fr qrr Ratio of Promotion between PramatN* wre* sfavt s w and Direct Recruits 3FT s r f w srn htoi fwq VR * 5 5 4 , «ft f B V t : *TT f«l¥fT writ t?$ twn$»r fr : Expenditure on Meetings of CJM Vof EJPJF. (*>) m vpttm *ft* stfro r m % tffw r m & ti *rcr *t *555. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI: Will we frt* m, nwnwf % ir* fcff the Minister of LABOUR AND ’REHAM- LITATION be pleased to state: % gfwr twwrff % yrftwan 3 qy fyfr# srk t qft | f r fastfr “»r?fcflr ^nsgt (a) whether a heavy expenditure is be- % fa* tfunfar nfcqrgiffft wi ing incurred for holding the C.3.T. meet- ings at E.P.F. organisation; specially In if n m «ftr lancmr % m*ff the places of 4sht*aeeing like 9M 4> oty, frorT »r*rr | ; *fk Opa -W»d Paijeelingj . 33 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answer* 34 Ob) whether the decisions of this bod/ Agreement with Canadian Firm for Deve- are only recommendatory and are exami- lopment of Hindustan Copper Limited ned again by the Goverrment; and *556. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD (e) if to, the use of bolding such meet- VERMA: Will the Minister of STEEL ings and the reasons why these meetings AND MINES be pleased to state: are not being held in Delhi in view of the bad economic problems of the country? (a) whether an agreement has recently been reached with the Canadian firm o£ consulting Engineers (Watt Griffis and THE MINISTER OP LABOUR AND Mcquat) for the development of Hindus* REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA- tan Copper Limited Rakha Protect to D1LKAR): (a) to (c). The Provident Fund Bihar; and authorities have reported that the meetings of the Central Board of Trustees are nor- (b) if so, the main features of the agree* mally held quarterly at Delhi or at one ment? of the Regional Headquarters and some- times in other places also. The venue of a meeting is decided by the Chairman THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND in consultation with the Trustees present MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- at the previous meeting and is fixed hav- ing regard to the convenience of the MANGLAM): (a) An Agreement, being Trustees and the invitations recwed from the Memorandum of Understanding, bet- various State Government representatives ween the Government of India and the for holding the meeting in their respective States. There would be some economy in Government of Canada, providing for the expenditure if the meetings are held m services of Canadian Consulting Engineers, Delhi. However, this is all-India Orga- for a Feasibility Study of the Rakha nisation and holding of Foard meetings at Copper Mines in Bihar, has been signed on State Headquarters (on the invitation of the State Government) dev give the Trus- the 23rd November, 1972. On the basis of tees an opportunity of discussing with th*i this Agreement. Hindustan Copper Limited State Government and its offirials th- will enter into a suitable contract with the problems releasing to the Organisation in the particular State. The financial econo* Canadian firm of Consulting Engineers my in holding Board n t$ 30,000) i t p*y for the services of the Canadian Consul- (b) whether the number of those ex- tant team which yriil undertake servicemen of Kerala who have been pro- the afotanentfotunS study; and vided With 4**toymest is much lefe a* compared to the number of ex-*ervicenien (iii) It is estimated that the project will require 10 months to complete. of other States? THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) and (b). As in N&C.Ofe aril ft* Expefflns Uganda from Commonwealm 6th6r States, the State and District Soldiers', Sailors’ & Airmen's BoaTds in •557. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- Kerala assist ex-servicemen in securing PURKAR: employment in Government, public and SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: private organisations. The Government of Will the Minister of EXTERNAL Kerala have sanctioned some concessions AFFAIRS be pleased to state: in regard to age, education and priority m favour of ex-servicemen securing employ- (a) whether the National Standing Con- ment under State Government. The per- ference Organisation grouping about 80 centage of ex-servicemen employed related Asian Organisations have called for expul- sion of Uganda from the Commonwealth to die number registered with Employment and stop die aid also; and Exchanges in Kerala compares favourably with similar figures in other States. (b) if so, the reaction of British Gov- ernment thereto? Enquiry Into safe of Relief Materials by THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Indian Red Crass Society by C.BJ. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH)- (a) *559. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the Yes, Sir. f i Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- TATION be pleased refer to the reply (b) We are not aware of any action having been taken by the British Govern- given to Starred Question No. 73 on the ment on tile Resolution of the Standing 16th November, 1972 and state- Conference. (a) whether the reports about selling of Indian Red Cross Society’s relief materials Emptejment proviieat to Ex^Sen kemen in open market in India and Bangladesh Of Kerala by Board set up for Welfare have been enquired Into by the CBI; and of Ex-Servicemen (b) if so, the findings of the C.B.I.? *558. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- KAPPAN: Will the Miniates- of DEF- THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND ENCE be pleased to etste: REHABILITATION (SHRI X. K. KHA- DtLltAR): (a) and (b). The Chafrtnan («) the tHbttMre of1 employment provided of the Indian Red Cross Society, which is to the wt'^ervic^BWtn from Kerala by the Atafcd set ttp for the welfferg dt ex-service- aq autonomous organisation, has denied men; and allegations with regard to the reported sale 37 Written Answers ^GRAHAYANA 30, 1994 (SAKA) Written Answers 38 of relief mat*oqils receiv'd by the®. G enial Assembly in 1970, 1971 QSd 1972 Further, investigations into allegations respectively were the following:—- against the Society and its employees, who t m axp not wMfe servants, do not fall within XXr Session the pun#w of the C.B-I. 1. Shri Mohan Dharia Alternate Repre- Reaaryaiioo # ff&* ta Dapartm^ of sentative Mtofefry o f Defence 2. Shri A. P. Sharma -do- 3. Shri S A. Aga -do- *560. SHRI DHAN SHAH PRADHAN: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 4. Shri Chintamani Panigrahi -do- to stale: 5. Shri G. S. Reddy -do- (a) whether there is a requisite reserva- 1*71 tion of posts in all the categories and XXVI Session classes of employees in all departments 1. Shri Bipin Pal Das Alternate Repre- under his Ministry; sentative (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and 2. Shri Md. Usman Arif -do- 3 Shri P. Ganga Reddy -do- (c) the percentage of the employee! belonging to Scheduled Castes and Sche- 4. Shri Prabodh Chandra -do- duled Tribes in every category and class 5. Shri Rudra Pratap Singh -do- of service in each department under his 6. Shri Zulfikar Ali Khan Addl. Alternate Ministry? 1972 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI XXVII Session JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) The Government 1. Shri N. R. Laslear Alternate Repre- orders relating to reservation of posts sentative tenable by civilian employees, for candi- dates belonging to the Scheduled Castes 2. Shri B, P. Maurya -do- and Scheduled Tribes, are applicable to 3. Shri C. M. Stephen -do- the various Departments under the Minis- 4. Shri V. B. Raju -do- try of Defence. 5. Shri M G. Reddy -do- (b) Does not arise Members of the Indian delegation to (c) The information is being collected the United Nations. General Assembly re- and will be laid on the Table of the present the Government of India. Con- House. sequently, the main criterion is that they should be in agreement with Government’s Members of Parliament sent as Delegates policies. to U.N.O. during last three years Supply of Tin Plates to Tin Can Manu- 5249. SHRI S. M. SIDDAYYA: Will facturing Units the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 5250. SHRI K. SURYANRAYANA: pleased to state- the names of Members of Will the Minister of STEfeL ANb MINES Parliament who were sent as delegates to be pleased to refer to the reply given to the U.N.O. in the year 1970-71, 1971-72 Starred Question No. 249 on the 17th and 1972-73 and the criteria of their August, 1972 and state: selection? (a) whether some of the Vanaspati THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE manufacturers who were issued C.O.B. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS liiences for the fabrication of tin contain* (b) whether despite these firms opening W4H Hie Minister of SUHPLV be leased Letters of Credit as far back a* September, to state: 1972, the supply against the indent has not been made by the Hindustan Steel (a) the names and designattaas of the Limited, if so, the reasons therefor; Officers of the rank of Director and above of the Indian Supply Service who took up (c) the total quantity for which indent jobs as Consultants, whole-time or part* was placed by these firms and the quantity time employees, with private Companies supplied or being actually supplied and within two years of their retirement from the reasons for the non-supply of the Government service; remaining quantity; and (d) the action which Government pro- (b) the number of cases in which the pose to take to set matter right? Officers had official dealings with those firms; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (c) the cases in which Government sanc- (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) to tion was obtained before undertaking such (d). Information is being collected and employment? will be laid on the Table of the House. THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN); (a) to (c). A statement Employment of Retired Employees of giving the required information concern* Indian Supply Service ing the period for last 10 years is laid 525L SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: on the Table of the House. Statement S, No, Nam* and designation Whether he had Whether previous sane- official dealings with tion for tak ng up the Company employment wag obtained I 2 3 4 t Shri S,T, Thadani, Ex. Additional No Yes Director General, DGS&D, 2 Shri Manmohan Singh, Ex. Director No Yes DGS&D. 3 Shri J,S, Mathur, Ex. Additional No Yes Director General, DGS&D, Indian P.O.W.’s In Chinese Custody THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) and my tWT *W* 0*fr W : atep for the lo c a te «( Steel Plant at xm) Vijayanagram; and (*) TO («) 24-7-1972 Vt (b) if ao, the exact location thereof? t o f t sfer®r Ttofr f w $r ^ aipft %fr % «tt * rm % THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fim MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES t^ n sr fRn- ^ IT? f^rrt srw ftwiT (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) Yes, «rr % t^sffr 5=fvtsrt | ft? ’sfrr dp? Sir. Preliminary work such as demarca- tion of the plant area, topographical rar. w^r^rnR * wcpft qqvfsvn fttftftrer veys, testing of soil samples, survey for i grerefcf fr fafa % ?RT»hr m railway exchange yard and sidings, pre- &fr % tit (f trc t ^3PftcT paration of water supply schemes etc., has been completed About 1,800 hectares snftfsr | ) Shfr qft tffaT % WI^T (4,500 acres) of land have been acquired ifr *n^srr5r tit 1 1 so far. TOft*, 'R^rannc *Pt ?r t* It *jf?r (b) The location of the plant is at Tor- % strfst Jr s t ^tt % *r*fr nagalu in Bellary District, Mysore State ftrfina | ?nrr ^rrt ihpt mf 1972-73 3 ftfalf Sf nmta if 5tf*w fapsnr 9rt ^ \ jmwwff n wy nfiw *w (rrlfw w jt tt 5iftr qgvrf »tf 5254. prcr ffepfW : n « ^ fWftf *WI Rui^M 5RTT^T fiRT 5256 «Hr |pw ^ vspmr t fa> *»T 1972-73 *T ftfoff % w tt w t »i?ft verr*rtit f^T ^ fcrprrcft q r ft»cnrr senr ^ m ST^TR | ? ft? : fafcr w*Tara* *»? gfcar (sp) aprrferRT, 1971 % qTO % STCTKTfa*? 'nfWcTT'T^ i$& % am? qrfyw uft ^TT *pr 5^2 hrzr^r ^ ?n% 31% ^ qrf^^T^ fffsrf^T «rroN ersr fr ar^r-f^cr *rrr?fcT f w f t %nrt «pt «nr#r flrqrftr srf?r v «nf PT SI^Tfvrar 1 9 7 2 -7 3 3 t J 1282 08 cTTST WT* | ' ( A . - .* ... A *. . . Jfc Jfc. {$) j $ £ 3 r graft fr m f a v t WW(f VM *W*wUW ( * r ) ?fr *nr* ffwfr 5259 SHRI VAYALAR RAVI Will the Trfsr sr*rrqT $ , «rfa Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state (a) whether Government noticed the re- iq t ft (*t) % *r ports appearing in the “Economic and t o t t t ir r r w jsfV t ^Y Political Weekly” dated the 4th Novem- I ? ber, 1972 under the caption “which ships for what roles”, if so, the reaction thereto, TW Raft (sft *m *tar tn?) : and ( * ) srar*r *rcft ?r tfrf srsm rrf^r *r*ft (b) whether Government propose to consider the possibility of replacing the pre- t « sent Sea Hawk fighters m the INS Vikrant ( ^ r) «fK (»r) v t ^ f t % ?=n^cr with a modified version of Gnats and if so, die main features thereof? Jt 5° 4,77,698 95 % far W ^ THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI f I W * * 4,27,153 09 # TTftr JAGJIVAN RAM) (a) Government have *T$ST $*t $ I 5° 50,545 86 seen the reports sppefcnng w the “Econo- * * w i Tifsr % f^rir t t w ARirr^ mic and Political Weekly” dated the 4th November, 1972 under the caption ‘‘which 1to: mfaw f o ft $r qrjsflr Ships for what Rotes”, and have no com- * t t 1 ments. Wri1ie? A™*™ AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 46 ' (b) There ii no such proposal under con* (e) if so, their names and tfc^k produc- sider&tlon’ of the Government. tions in 197,1? Action again * Management of Surda THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES* (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) Mo, 5260. SHRI SWARAN SINGH SOKHI: Sir. The Act applies to all coal mines Will 1SM Miniittr Of STE£L AND MIMES whether registered or licensed under the be pleased to refer to the statement laid Act. on tte Table of the House on the 24th November. 1972 in fulfilment of the Assu- (b) and (c) Industrial undertakings in- rance given in reply to Unstarred Question cluding coal mines which have been -No. 4163 cm the 27tfc April, 1972 regain- registered or in respect of which a licence ing the collapse of Surda Copper Mines in or permission has been issue^ are requited District Singhbhum (Bihar) and state the under Section 13(lXd) of the Industries action Government propose to take against (Development & Regulation) Act, 1951, to the management of the mine? obtain a licence before effecting substantial expansion of the undertaking. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL & MINES (SHRI (d) and (e) Information is being collect- SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): The Director ed and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha in due course. General of Mines Safety who conducted the enquiry has stated that the accident had been considered to be the cumulative Retirement Age of Lieutenant Colonel of effect of various errors of judgement. Territorial Army Management appears to have acted in good faith and consequently no body had 52<>2. SHRI E. R. KRISHNAN: Will been individually considered responsible the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to No action is therefore, contemplated state the age at whitjh the Lieutenant Colo- against the management for this accident nels in the Territorial Army holding staft Management however, have been directed appointments are retired? to make arrangements for filling the voide at an eJarly date. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM)* All Territorial Army Officers holding the substantive rank Of Application of Industries (Development & Lieutenant Colonel are retired on attaining Regulation) Act on Coal Mines the age of 52 years, except those belong- 5261. SHRI RAGHUNANDAN LAL ing to the Army Medical Corps (TA), m BHATIA: Will the Minister of STEEL whose case the retirement age is 57 years. AND MINES be pleased to state: Requirement qf Minimum Service for (a) whether Industries (Development Re- Porting to N.CC. Unit gulations) Act does not apply to the coal- mines which have been registered under 5263. SHRI E. R KRISHNAN Witt the Act without maintaining specific pro- the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to duction capacity/capacities; state* (b) whether they can produce unlimited (a) the number of years of minimum quantities of coalcoke; service which a Territorial Army Officer (c) if not, the exact policies/regulations must put in before he qualifies for being: governing their production; posted to a N C.C. Unit; and (d) whether there are such mines in (b) the criteria adopted in the case of Madhya IPraileah and Gujarat and Maha- a regular Army Officer who is posted to rashtra; and N C.C Units? Written Answers 47 Written Answers DECEMBER 21. 1972 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SBRI Promotion to the Rank of Lieutenant THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI Colonels JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) As far as possible only educationally qualified persons with 5264. SHRI E. R. KRISHNAN: Will regular civil vocations are granted com. the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to missions in the Territorial Army. state: (b) Territorial Army Officers who fulfil (a) whether Territorial Army Officers of the prescribed service conditions are con- the rank of Major are promoted to the sidered for promotion to the rank of Lieu- rank of Lieutenant Colonels in staff ap- tenant Colonel. pointments only 'and are not given com- mand of any unit; and (c) As the Territorial Army is essential- ly a part-time voluntary organisation thc (b) the number of regular army officers officers are not entitled to pensionary who have passed the Staff College exa- benefits. A terminal gratuity at the rate minations and have not been promoted to of one month’s pay for each completed the rank of Lieutenant Colonels? year of aggregate embodied service sub- ject to a maximum of Rs. 12,000 is given THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI to the officers as terminal benefit. JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Yes, Sir. As the .officers of the Territorial Army are not trained in the Indian Military Academy or Misappropriation of Fire-Wood In Mana Officers' Training School and as they do Camp not have sufficient knowledge about othei arms/services, they are not given command 5266. SHRI B K. DASCHOWDHURY: appointments in the rank of Lt. Col. They Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE. are, however, given staff appointments in HABILITATION be pleased to state: that rank (a) whether Fire-wood amounting to (b) During the last 5 years out of 935 Rs. 46,000 was misappropriated in Mana Staff College graduates who were consider- Camp and Audit raised objection in this ed for promotion to the rank of Acting It. regard and blame was put on the residents Col. 864 were selected. Out of the balance of the Kendri Camp for such misappropri- 71, only 20 haye been finally supercrded ation; and the cases of 51 will be further review- ed. (b) if so, whether Government investi- gated the matter to find out the truth; and Grant of Commissions In Territorial Army (c) whether all records regarding Kendri to Educated Unemployed Camp have been changed; if so, the rea- 5265. SHRI E. R. KRISHNAN: Will sons therefor? the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA- (a) whether Government are encouraging DBLKAR): (a) No, Sir. There ha? not the grant of Commissions in the Territo- been any misappropriation of firewood in rial Army to the educated employment; the Kendri Camp. There had, however. 4 9 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30; 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 50 been a loss of 6395 quintals of firewood Confirmation of'fivffoyees la M an valued fet R*. 55*380 due to large scale Camp pilferage of firewood from the firewood damp of the camp by the evacuees m 5268. SHRI SAKTI KUMAR SARKAR: August, 1971 and subsequently in Septem- Will the Minister of LABOUR AND ber, 1971 when there was a serious distur- REHABILITATION be pleased to state: bance in the camp. There has been no , (a) whether about 70 per cent of «wfit objection so far. employees of the Mana Group of Camp* (b) During February-March 1972, it was, have completed 8 years service, but quiU however, possible for the camp authorities a lew of them have been declared as to kxfete about 2075 quintals of firewood quasi permanent ignoring claims of many valued at Rs. 17,969 in possession of the senior employees; and evacuees. This quantity was made good (b) if so, the reasons therefor and the by short issues of firewood to the time by which all those employees will be evacuee families, who were in possession declared permanent/quasi-permanent ? of extra firewood, bringing down the total loss to 4320 quintals valued at Rs. 37,411. THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (c) No, Sir. REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR): (*) and (b). No, Sir. Only 22 per cent of the employees of the Termination of Services of Employees in Mana Group of camps have completed M su Camp 8 years service. No employee has been 5267. SHRI SAKTI KUMAR SARKAR. declared quasi-permanent ignoring claims IVfll the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- of senior eligible employees. HABILITATION be pleased to state: (a) whether the services of more than Some of the employees of the Mana 250 class ITT and class TV employees were Group of Camps could not, however, be terminated under Rule 5 of Central Civil declared quasi-permanent because they do Services (Temporary Services) Rules 1965 not fulfil certain essential conditions such in Mana Camp; and as satisfactory performance and conduct reports, prescribed educational or technical (b) if so, whether Government have made qualifications, Indian Citizenship Certi- any enquiry into this matter? ficate in the case of migrent employees and qualifying in the prescribed type tests, THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND etc. REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA- DILKAR): (a) No, Sir The number of employees whose services were terminated Besides, cases of some categories of since inception of the Mana Camp in 1964, employees could not be considered for under Rule 5 of Central Civil Services quasi-permanency as the Recruitment CFemporary Services) Rules, 1965 is 97 Rules in respect of the posts held by them and not 250. could be finalised only recently Cases of such employees are now being pro- (b) Each case was investigated by the cessed and are expected to be finalised Chief Commandant Mana and orders for shortly. termination of the services were issued by him after thorougb scrutiny. Application According to the Government of India of this rule for terminating the services of policy. 50 per cent of the posts (other Class III and Class IV employees is res- than Class IV posts) in non-permanent orted to only in exceptional circumstances. Departments as have existed for not less Such cases are also reviewed in the De- than 10 years and are not proposed to be partment of Rehabilitation as and when wound up in the foreseable future may any representation is received from the be made permanent provided the posts affected persons. have been in continuous existence for a Written Answ ers W 5 * period of 5 yean or more and are requir- (c) the broad outlines of die agree- ed indefinitely, tfee 'Mana Group of meat arrived aft 1 Transit Centres do not yet fulfil these condition The 9«e*»op of conve^iop THE DEBUT,Y MINISTER of pos^s intp perpjan THE MINISTER. OF LABOUR AND (d) if so, the attitude of the' United REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. Nations towards 'this and if no protest has .KHADILKAR) :. (a) During the last three been lodged, the reasons therefor? years ending 30th November, 197?. 378 Tibetan. refugees left :flor Canada and THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI :Switzerland for pe~manent settlement. JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) As the House is aware, a p~rt of the main highway link- (b) In October, 1968, the Government ing Sinkiang with Tibet passes through the ·of India agreed to accept the offer of area under Chinese control. The Chinese ·financial a·ssistance made by the United are known to have constructed some ·Nations High Commissioner for Refugees feeder roads and -established some border for the rehabilitation of Tibetan refugees posts. [ndia. The UNHCR stationed a Re- .esentative in N,ew Delhi in 1969. So · (b) Government are not aware of any fresh constructional activity since Decem- _,ir, agreements between the Government ber, 1971. -'-'.f India and the UNHCR amounting to ·us $ 544,156.67 have been concluded for (c) and (d). It is Government's policy to ·various projects. Apart from this the try to find peaceful solution of ·outstand- ·uNHCR has also been giving aid direct ing problems bilaterally. ·to a foreign official agency and to two Indian non-official agencies for the re- Decision Regarding Seni.ority of Emergency habilitation of Tibetan refugees in India. Commissioned Officers Vis-a-vis Regular The value of such aid given since 1969 is Commissioned Officers about U.S. $ 317000. Aid had also been :given by UNHCR to variom agencies 5273. SHRI R. N. SHARMA: Will the prior to 1969. _ Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: ( c) The Government of India have (a) · whether Government have taken a -received aid in full in accordance with the final decision regarding the seniority of agreements. Emergency Commissioned Officers vis-a· vis Regular Commissioned Officers who (d) No, Sir. have passed out together from the Indian Military Academy, Dehradun; and (b) if so, the gist thereo'f? :Roads· and -Cantonments Constructed by China 'in Occupied Territory of India . THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Yes, Sir. 5272. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN: Will (b) Emergency Commissioned Officers and Permanent Commissioned Officers take ctbe Minister of DEFENCE be ple~se~ to seniority with refer:ence to the date of :-state: , I substantive rank held. (a) the par'ticulars ~f the roads and cantonments constructed by China in Exp1osion in Bokaro Steel Plant :the occupied territory of India; (b) the particulars of roads constructed 5274. SHRI E. V_ VIKHE PATIL; Will and cantonments ,established by China in the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be ·the occupied territory of India since the pleased to ·state: ~hostilities with Pakistan in Pecember, (a) whether there was a m·~jor explosion : 1971; in ·the Bokaro Steel Plant recently; (c) whether a protest in this regafd has ~ ·cb) if sq, the. ext~nt ~' of -damage' tQ...'. life -.been lodged with th~ . United Nations; and property caused thereby and the .:;and reasons for the ~xplosion; 55 Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers 56 (c) whether any inquiry has been in- whose New Dharmaband coking coal mine stituted and if so, the conclusions arrived was taken over had represented that the at by such an inquiry; and amount payable to the company under the Coking Mines (Nationalisation) Act, (d) whither similar accidents have 1972, was not adequate. occurred in Bokaro Steel Plant in the past also and if so. a brief account thereof? (c> The amount of compensation pay- able in respect of each coking coal mine/ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE coke oven plant which was taken over by MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES Government has been specified in the Act (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and of Parliament. (b). There has been no major explosion in the Bokaro Steel Plant. However, on 27th November, 1972 there was some leak- Territorial Army Decoration Presented to age of Blast Furnace gas through a valve Territorial Army Officer by the Army in the Gas Cleaning Plant which affected Chief twenty-eight employees in an adjacant area. One of them succumbed to the 5276. SHRI E. R. KRISHNAN: Will effect of the gas. Of thje remaining the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to twenty-seven, twenty-five have been dis- state; charged from thc hospital after treatment. (a) whether Territorial Army decoration Two are still confined to the hospital for was presented to a Territorial Army officer rest and observation. There has been no by the Chief of the Army Staff; and damage to property. (b) the number of officers who have been (c) A high powered Committee has awarded th^ese decorations but the same been appointed by Bokaro Steel Ltd., to have not been presented to them at the enquire into the causes of the accident. ccremonial parade? Its report is awaited. fd) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM); (a) Yes, Sir. Compensation to share holders of Mines (b) 57 T.A. officers have been award- taken over by Government ed T.A. decorations so far. Out of these, the decorations have already been pre- 5275. SHRI R. N. SHARMA: Will the sented to 8 officers by the Chief of the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be Army Staff, and the rest are yet to be pleased to state: presented. Army Headquarters are now considering the question of presentation of (a) whether any Shareholders’ Associ- this decoration to the remaining 49 T.A. ation have represented to Government officers either by the Chief of Army about the compensation in respect of the Staff or by the Governors/Heads of mines taken over or nationalised in the States at ceremonial parades. years 1971-72; (b) if so, the names of the Associations and the mines and the dates on which Meeting of Representative of U.N. representations were received; and Secretary-General with President o f ' (c) Government’s reaction to these re- Uganda on Explosion of Asians presentations? 5277. SHRI ARVIND NETAM: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be MINISTRY OP STEEL AND MINES pleased to state: (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b). Some shareholders of M/s. Shethia (a) whether U.N. Secretary-General’s Mining and Manufacturing Company representative, Dr. Robert Gardner dis- 57 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 58 cussed with General Amin, President of Andhra Pradesh Government's Scheme Re- Uganda, the question of explusion of garding Diversion of Godavari Water Asians including Indians from Uganda; and 5279. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY: (b) if so, the outcome of the discussion? SHRI K. KODANDA RAM REDDY: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Will the Minister of STEEL ANI> MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS MINES be pleased to state: (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether Government of Andhra Pra- desh have submitted a scheme for divert- (b) U.N. Secretary-Generall received a ing Godavari water for industries of letter from President Amin giving ‘inter Vi&akhapatnam and also sought a loan alia’ certain assurances in respect of the therefor; departing citizen Asians to the effect that they will be permitted to take away (b) whether the State Government have persona] belongings as well as reasonable also requested the release of Rs. 50 lakh amounts of cash with them, their property for taking up detailed surveys and in- left behind will not be seized without vestigations of this scheme; and compensation and they will not be mal- (c) if so, the action taken by the Cen- treated. tral Government thereon? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Helicopters for Defence Purposes MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN), (a) and 5278. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHAR1EF; (b). Yes, Sir. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA: (c) As a final decision is yet to be taken Will the Minister of DEFENCE be on the capacity and product mix of the pleased to state: Visakhapatnam Steel Project, the water supply scheme would need to be re- (a) the number of helicopters, transport examined The Government of Andhra types and of other types, used for de- Pradesh have been apprised of the posi- fence purposes manufactured in India; tion. and (b) whether we are self-reliant m this Sainik Schools as Members of Indian regaid? Public School Conference 5280. SHRI C K. CHANDRAPPAN: THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE- Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE MINIS- TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA to state: CHa RAN SHUKLA): (a) Hindustan (a) whether some of the Sainik Schools, Aeronautics Ltd. (Bangalore Division) are run by Government are members of the at present manufacturing the general type Indian Public School Conference, an all Alouette III and SA-315 Helicopters under India Organisation of public schools; and licences from M/s. SNIAS of France. It is not in public interest to reveal the (b) if so, what are the reasons for Gov- annual production of helicopters. ernment to allow the Government-owned institutions to join this Organisation? (b) No, Sir. Complete self-sufficiency in the manufacture of helicopter is diffi- THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI cult to achieve in the foreseeable future, JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) and (b). Sainik but every effort will be made to achieve Schools are controlled by the Sainik maximum indigenisation. Schools Society which is an autonomous 5 9 '. Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers 6 0 and registered body. These schools are Import and Export ot Steel Scrap members of the Indian Public School Con- ference. As Sainik Schools are run on 5282. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: the model of Public Schools, their mem- Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES bership in the Indian Public Schools Con- be pleased to state; ference has been considered desirable to keep abreast with the latest trends in Edu- (a) whether Government propose to im- cational and other fields of Public School port steel scrap; •education. (b) if so, the rates settled; and Development of Nuclear Weapons to Meet (c) whether India is also exporting scrap the Risk of Nuclear Confrontation with to other countries and if so, the price of China the scrap? 5281. SHRI ARJUN SETHI: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ. KHAN): (a) Yes. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be Sir. Import of Heavy melting scrap is pleased to state: being made through Minerals and Metals Trading Corporation. (a) whether Government have recently taken decision for a faster space pro- (b) The C & F price works out to U.S. gramme which would grow at the rate of $ 59 (Rs. 430 approx.) at the rate of nearly 100 per cent per annum and in $1 (Rs. 7.27) per tonne. the next three years its budget will grow (c) Yes, Sir. The policy permits ex- faster in order to build the research and port of certain varieties of Ferrous Scrap development capability for a nuclear the availability of which is in excess of weapons technology; and indigenous off take. The price for cost iron borings is $ 33.00 to 35.50 (Rs. 240— (b) the reaction of the Government over 258 approx.) C & F BT Japan and for the news item published in the recent Mill Scale Scrap $ 16.00—17.50 issue of the International Institute for (Rs. 116—127) C & F FO Japan. Strategic Studies (London) that in the present pattern of world politics India Profits Earned by Indian Iron and Steel has inevitably to follow China in building Company up indepedent national force to cover the risks of a nuclear confrontation with China 5283. SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM: by the end of 1975? Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) The broad outlines (a) whether there has been a net in- of the space programme proposed for im- crease in the profit of Indian Iron and plementation during the decade 1970-80 Steel Company after its take-over by Gov- have hpen set out in the publication ernment; and “Atomic Energy and Space Research—A Profile for the Decade 1970-80”, issued by (b) if so, the dividend proposed to be the Department of Atomic Eneqjy. I need announced by Government to the share not remind the House of Government’s holders of the Company for 1971-72? policy to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes only. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (b) Government have seen the publi- (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) The cation referred to. but have no comments Management ot the Indian Iron and Steel on the Author's views and assessment con- Company was taken over by the Govern- tained in the article. ment on 14th July, 1972. The working 6I Written Answers AGRAHAY ANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Aflswer} 62 results during the months after to the (b). We havei not pre'.ssed American take-over are better than those of April, Commercial Firms: Both they and we May, June and July, 1972. are aware of the fact that the extension of the U.S. embargo to communication (b} The working results for the period after the take-over are not relevant for equipment has made it impossible for the declaration of dividend for 1971-72. Dur- contractual obligations to be fulfili ed . ing 1971-72, the Company has incurred a !,and and Housing Facilities to Disabled loss and no dividend has b;een declared. Servicemen 5286. SHRI P. GANGADEB: DeYelopment of Two. New Planes for Civilian Traffic SHRI P. M. MEHTA: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 5284. SHRI BANAl\1ALI PATNAIK: pleased to state: Will the M inister of DEFENCE be pleased (a) whether Government are consider- to state: ing the que·stion of providing housing (a) whether two new pianes for civilian facilities and land allotment fo the dis- traffic hav;e heen developed by the Hindu- abled servicemen; stan Aeronautics Limited; (b) whether Government have sounded (b) if so, the salient features thereof; the State Governments about this and proposal; (c) the pwpose for which they wiil be (c) if so, the response from the State used and the prgramme drawn for their Governments; and man ufactw~e, if any? (d) the main _features of the scheme? THE MINISTER OF STATE lDE- THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE MINIS- (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) to (d). TRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA The provision of necessa.ry accommoda- CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) No, Sir. tion and land is part of the facilities (b) and (c). Do not arise. agreed to by State Governments. Such allotments would be made keeping in Renewal of Contract to supply Commu- view the individual needs and the general uication Equipment by American Com- desirability of providing such facilities in mercial Firms environments familiar and convenient to 5285. SHRI D. B. CHANDRA the families concerned, The response from GOWDA: Will the Minister of DE- the State Governments has been satisfac- FENCE be plea·sed to state: tory. The present position as indicated hy State Governments is given helow:- (a) whether Government of India have pressed American Commercial Firms, A ndhra Pradesh: Land has been re- which had contracted to supply com- se rved in villages from where munication ~quipment to be installed in they have been recruited at the the Northern borders either to renew the rate of 2.50 acre·s of wet or 5 supply or suffer termination of the con- acres of dry land for each. 100 tract; and acres of developed land in Kothapalli Project, Vicarabad (b) if so, the details thereof and the Taluk have also been reserved reaction of American Government for allotment to disabled soldiers. thereon? Bihar: 270 flats at Patna have been THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE reserved for families of thcrs~ (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM ): (a) 'and kille~/disabled in the last war. 3020 L.S.-3. Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers 64 Further, where necessary, plans disabled defence personnel and have been made for construction families of those kftled in action of accommodation in places of owning land upto 1 acre and their choice. 5 acres of agricul family income not exteee'iiitg tural land is being allotted to Rs. 6,000 per annum eligible lor each of them in case they desire assignment in relaxation of (he to settle on land. 12 decimals rules. of additional homestead land will also be allotted to those Maharashtra: Land ia being granted who have no dwelling house. in rural areas to the families of those killed/disabled in the Gujrat: The State Government have operations. An area of 10,000 agreed to provide the necessaiy hectares out of the Government facilities. waste, forest and giravat lands as also bencfittcd zones of pro- Assam: 21,000 bighas of land has jects have been reserved for been reserved for the settlement them. Each grantee is eligible of families of servicemen killed for 4 hectares of dry crop or 2 disabled as also landless ex-sei - hectares of reasonably irrigate i vicemen. Provision of suitable or paddy or 1 hectare of peren- accommodation to them is under nially irrigated land. The consideration of the Stato grantee is also eligible for resi- Government. dential plots of 200 sq. metric wherever suitable residential Delhi: The DDA are allotting plots to the permanently disabled at Government plots are available su'wtdiscd rates. Flats under the either in the rural areas or if* middle/low income groups arc the new gaothans. also being allotted at subsidised Mysore: 2 acrcs of wet land or 4 rates/subsidised rents. acres of rain-fed land or 8 acre> of dry land arc being allotted Haryana: The State Government to the permanently disabled. considering the request of the Suitable accommodation built tn Ministry of Defence for provid the State will also be allotted. ing suitale accommodation to each permanently disabled. Manipur: 2.50 acres of aggriculttual and 0.2 acres of homestead land !Himachal Pradesh: Under consi- is being allotted to those per- deration of the State Govern- manently disabled servicemen in ment. the lndo-Pak war of 1971 who are landless. The question of Jammu and Kashmir: Under con- allotment of suitable accommo- sideration of the State Govern- dation has been agreed to in ment. principle and is under consi- deration of the State Govern- Kerala : House sites and houses will ment. be given free by State Housing Board to disabled soldiers who Orissa: Under consideration of the have no houses of their own State Government. They are also entitled to prc farence in the matter of allot- Punjab: Under consideration of the ment of unoccupied land. 10 per State Government. cent of land available for assign- ment Is being reserved lor Rajasthan : 12£ bigas of irrigated assignment to them. Provisi.m land or 25 bigas of unirrigated has also been made for .making land is being assigned to each Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 66 permanently disabled service- 2. Wounded servicemen who are still mas from Rajasthan, either near undergoing treatment in various hospitals their homes or in block allot- continue to be in service until discharge. ments in Ganganagar. Reser- Their disability percentages are in the pro- vation of residential plots have cess of determination. If any of them been made in the major towns. belong to States which have not formally Hie question of providing suita- announced these concessions, the matter ble accommodation for them is will be taken up with them on a priority under discussion with the State basis. Government. Tamil Nadu: 1.5 acres of wet or 3 Authentic History off IN A of NetaJ! acres of dry land is being Subhash Chandra Bose allotted to those permanently disabled. Residential plots are 5287 SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will also being granted to them. The the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to question of providing suitable state. accommodation is under dis (a) whether Government have decided cussion with them. to write an authentic history of 1NA of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose; Uttar Pradesh : Land is being assign- ed on a priority basis to disabled (b) if so, the historians who have been servicemen who are landless out entrusted with the task; of the surplus Gaon Sabha land and land declared surplus (c) the source of materials likely to be used for the put pose; and under the UP Land Ceiling Act 15 per cent of housing plots de- (d) when the wotk on INA is expected veloped by local bodies are also to be completed? reserved for them. THF MINISTER OF DEFENCE West Bengal : Agricultural and home- (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) to (d)' stead land has been earmarked The draft of a narrative account of the in each district. Each family is INA had been prepared by the Historical entitled to 2 acres of agricul- Section of this Ministry. The material tural land and 10 Kathas ol for this draft had been taken from pub- homestead land free of Salami lished and unpublished sources. The provided they do not already draft is being revised in the light of addi- own land. tional material which has wnce come to the notice. Effort is being made to expe- Tripura : 2 standard acres of land dite the revision. will be allotted to those who are landless. otst srTvft % wMtaawv ftrcrro % Mizoram: Agricultural land is being allotted to disabled soldiers % farcy desirous of taking up Bhum cul- tivation. The State Government fswratf has agreed in principle to spend Rs. 3,500 per house for families 5288 of those disabled. sfzrr *p t irh: ^ Arunachal: Under consideration of frqrr fa* : the Government. (q?) «PTT VK'unWf Meghalaya: Under consideration of srrsr *n*nft firafcr faft % *p-ir the Government 67 Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers 68 fr^'T af»R*T%9r ?T«rr fMnr % « fr x i m fr q? *n*r wlf *s ^*r *mrr?r£|r % faxg ftrarnifr f*rsft v f t z t 5 tt^ f, ; s rk t ; (»r) *r t *pr3TR srfrnY ( * ) ^TfV ?tt, 9 t 3F9T TOTT % PT w ^ t spTT^ % fat* ftnrrc % ffrs^ fr smgfTRfor ^ w rap- «rr j f t r - n w fr srre ^rrf t ; tffa ??r, «R s fo g*w¥tf fr^ft (*ft SITT^ s**rer tfh: m * *rsn$Pi fr tt^*t («ft wurcsro sri) : (?>) tfr ^ srTfirarc*) : («f) srntfto H ?rfh m*rw€i qfb- spraT Sw Ti^er *n?nrm ’rftfr f^rnrrr storr 11 ^r ^rsfft sht to iM ^t qrrarff % ^^fnr- (*f) cf«TT aT^ s^TT'Tn- friT*! sre far-TTUT w?HTr *rm qt % gprr fr % *t t o t fr t t w j t ? r ^ ??f *srfaT fasr r fsrf.WT 3?f ?t Hift t i iRT | fafr form- «Rpr fr ®ff-TT fr ^TTT ’rfkH ^ t i ( g ) 5T*T #fgt ^3TT I ffrgwr (fa^re) fr sfanrt sftot (*v) T iW f s r q rr ^ri-ngnfr £ qf* inarm % fair ?^-*nrcafl sr«w ^ r % fan- v r t w r r Sfapflw «pt sran* SRT^fa % f^TTT f^ p - s fff t.’fl’^ F ^ R T ^ t f w r ■sit -5^t t i ^*qr?r q .rr^ % fersfi-r ^T w fr^r^^^^r ^ ^ ^ T sTt T i <-4tVr % fnrr^'TnFr* JJ8 9 . «lTr *c*spc : 'TTr 5WRT t ?i ^n, !f,r farm ^^ rf< m fa'rrr tfk *?th *i3f s pj r tfr i;rrr *rsn ^ i wsr '^r 7PTT-T % f^rrr SiPTsTFV VflFJ- O T qrV ^ f c T t w . «pf nrrffr fr ^ r r f t | (t> ) j r t %t£w ?rn.iT ^r wth WT WPT *?f f^r«TT9* aff3TTT ^Tf fff WR % p - 5f? t o # §rn w cr«qr tfrr »t ^nr sfr'T fr srrtffi sf^ -jro s r ffi ^nfr^' i ffrrr tft f^rnrr *m t fr wrCf ^rrrr ^rrgr# jfi ?norr fr %^'V3r 5rt^ srrsw rorr t ; 'TjV “FT Si'^T'. ^ d4> fr^TTcTT— ^ ^FT fsfspHT ^TT «T^ »IT9rr 7T9" ?TV {&) «rfsr ^t, eft sfarrt otkt sjrf^ «rq^p «pt f® ^rrar o tift *trstr % f^r 5T«rr gig arr'rrc ^rrcfr i Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 [SAKA) Written A m *c* 70 Cut la Power Supply to Defence Units rfw t a trc r of States 5290 SHRI V. MAYAVAN SHRI PRABHU DAS PATEI 5291, *ft sffoTOTT w i sw srsfa stt* w srefl?* ft Will the Minister of DEFENCE be sfr^r pleased to state: (a) whether in some States hke Uttar (^?) Sm ?r *r t so fsrnr s* Pradesh, Haryana, Gujarat and Madras power cut has been applied to defence stttc t v r Tftrar awra-Tt units also, if so, the names of the States, sftspTT t , (b) what are the defence units attested and whether this will greatly h'irm the ( * ) fT, ’ft V irft defence measures, «F*TT I , (c) if so whether Centre has directed the State Governments not to apply power cut to the defence units in then («r) w t facrw fircr srmr fr m respective States, and ^rrcprr ?fk tRfrt w r c r ? (d) if so, the reaction of the Stitt «HT fsFTT wn^TT ? Governments'* wtr tiura? *r xvs? THE MINIM ER F STATE (DF * * t («ft w^rnr «t) (v) (*) FENCF PRODUCTION) IN THF MI v m x N1STRY OF DFFENCE (SHRI VIDYA T%?r ®pt ^ tf CHARAN SHUKIA) (a) Yes, Sir I ft? *ft3RT % 5n«ffaT> Power cut has affected some of the De f^r^sft ®Pt sjcmK km* *rr*w*? * * * * m > *fanrr iro ft* n* Detoy fa sitting op of an Ataminfaai 15 v^tar ^ fcftrw ffkz ?r Iwhirfry by1- the Stoghaaia Group w i t o spr jwf®r t ? t | i *m?rT 5293. SHRI ARJUN SETHI: Will the * w *pr *nr£t ^ | i *t Minister of STEEL AND MINES be. pleased to state: i STM wrrft % faTT t t * srRt/f^fNr m i \ srrft (a) whether Government has accorded 5p f t fm r % mr (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and* % Wc* faq; (c) the production of coking coal in ( * r ) $ a a r ? m f ^ r the last three years before nationalisation and after it*> ^TTT %TRTfT if * % ^ % THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The composition of the Board, 72 countries voting in favour, i.one which will consist of Indians only, is opposing and 35 abstaining. The resolu- presently under consideration of the Gov- tion has since been adopted by the Gene- ernment. Government have, however, ral Assembly with 95 votes in favour, decided to appoint Shri R. C. Dutt as none against and 33 abstentions, the Honorary Chairman of the Board. Dropping of Terms ‘Chinese Refugees’ Resolution In U.N. to keep Indian Ocean and ‘Textile Refugees’ from U.N. a Zone of Peace Annual Report 5298. SHRI P. GANGADEB: 5299. SHRI P. GANGADEB: SHRI K BALADHANDAYU- SHRI P M. MEHTA: THAM: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether the term., “Chinese refu- (a) whether India, Sri Lanka, Tanza- gees” and “Tibetan refugees” have been nia, Pakistan and other Nations have dropped from the Annual U.N. Refugee proposed and submitted a resolution in Report; U.N. Assembly that major World Powers should make the Indian Ocean a Zone (b) whether China is still not satisfied of Peace; and wants UN. to drop relief to such people; and (b) if so, the main features of the (c) if so, whether India has objected Resolution; and to Chinese proposal of dropping the (c) when was this discussed in the relief to the Tibetan refugees and whe- U.N. Assembly? ther this will adversely affect the Tibetan refugees in India? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THF THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTTERNAL AFFAIRS MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. A draft Resolution en- (a) and (b) During the 53td session of titled “Declaration of the Indian Ocean the United Nations Economic and Social as «' zone of peace” was tabled in the Council and subsequently at the 23rd United Nations by 27 countries including session of the Executive Committee of India Sri Lanka Tanzania and Pakistan. the United Nations High Commission (b) The Resolution, among other for Refugees and at the 27 th session of things, fi) called upon the littoral and the United Nations General Assembly, hinterland States of the Indian Ocean, the Chinese representative demanded, in the Permanent Members of the Security similar statements, that the office of the Council and other major maritime users UNHCR should “immediately and com- of the Indian Ocean to support the con- pletely stop all the illegal activities on the cept that the Indian Ocean should be a question of so-called Tibetan Refugees’ zone of peace; and (ii) decided to esta- and ‘Chinese and abolish the blish an ad hoc committee of not more organs for these illegal activities, and than 15 members to study the implica- delete all the related parts from the re- tions of the proposal with special refer- port.” ence to the practical measures that may The report of the United Nations High be taken in furtherance of the objectives Commissioner for Refugees to the 27th of the Resolution. session of the UN General Assembly does not contain the terms “Chinese Re- (c) The First Committee of the United fugee” or 'Tibetan Refugees”. Instead Nations General Assembly adopted the the term ‘refugees’ is used in the relevant Resolution nn 6th December, 1972, with portions. 7 7 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 78 (c) India has continued to extend full out of these how many repatriated to support to the UNHCR programme of Pakistan so far? assistance to the Tibetan refugees in India. The UNHCR has not indicated THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI any intention to discontinue or reduce JAGJ1VAN RAM): The number of these activities. sick and wounded prisoners entitled to repatriation vanes depending upon the Survey of Indian Engineering Associa- nature and degree of their sickness and tion regarding output o f Industries their admission to and discharge from hospitals. Therefore, no exact figure of 5300 SHRI D P. JADEJA: such persons can be given at any one time. SHRI B. K DASCHOW- DHURY: 522 sick and wounded Pakistani pri- Will the Minister of STEEL AND soners of war have so far been repatriated MINES be pleased to state* to Pakistan. (a) whether any survey has been con- Rehabilitation of Indian Repatriated from ducted by the Indian Engineeiing Asso- Sri Lanka ciation regarding the limited output of industries; 5302. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA: Will the Minister of LABOUR AND (b) if so, whether shortage of steel is REHABILITATION be pleased to state* the mam factor; and (c) the steps taken by Government to (a) the number of Indians repatriated improve the steel products’ from Sri Lanka during 1971-72 and 1972-73 so far and the total amount spent THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE on their rehabilitation; and MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHANJ* (a) and (b) the total number of Indians still (1) The declared objective of the Agreement is that all person*' of Indian M r origin in Ceylon who have not been (# wfww itf) Six recognised either as citizens of Ceylon ( v ) ox as citizens of India should become { $ ) rrefor 'wrh f l f a r m ffor citizens either of Ceylon or of India. lim * ^ ^ f fa (2) The nuniber of such persons is approximately 975,000 as of date. This fa’w otrt fw f*r *rnr 1973 figure does not include illicit immigrants and Indian passport holders. $ 1 4 *rrar m ^r«rr 1980 Sr 22 srrsr (3) 300,000 of these persons together w ftft 1 w * m r s n r w with the natural increase in that number 10 vow $ 1 if ^5% sfra tfr will be granted Ceylon citizenship by the Government of Ceylon; the Government ^**ft I of India will accept repatriation to India of $25,000 of these persons together with the natural increase in that number. The *rrar§TtT*r srftns Government of India will confer citizen- Rfrenr % 5r*T?rrT s w t * r f w % arrsrn: $ *PT^ an% ?n| ^rnr t^RTj- fr- $ 1 5* *ifV *n% ^ | i * rm ’ttPTPT *sn?r smrsft % *rpt?t tjfr f $tm?\ ^ srrfr ^rwHft v t ^ ??twf nr at am ^f^nsr *nwft «rft v 't f t srrfrwfr rnraft % g tfk fa*T*rt Ofetfffcr 5T*rrr 90 srftrsRr *tp&t % * m t * *rcfr-snrfr rm T<*Tr5FT *FTfr snrfr fr ott ct ^ % srsr'far ®fV ffr'Erfrvr *rr *jw ^ t r *t fr irrw M T crr 5T»i»nr sm^r OT5T % HTap irrst fr | 1 * r M 1 SWPRTcT 'd'H+l ffr*FT fr WW 5F«rrpRT ^ fftt ^t?rr t fl’finTr ^ T rzrri fr * m fr% % Trs«r % ^ft*r f ? r ^ TC-ltee an^f fiw f vt ftnwfTfl STFcr ^TTrft | I fwwi frofni vr 3wrw fftr ?w r frw i^ ^ 5304. n o wfift mtwm <11111 t w r f*wrw «ft TFTOTT OTlf : 5305. «ro w f r fit i w qrw r: WT f*TT?f «flr ?TR ^ ^ SRTTfr Twrow r w»r1 • «Ft f^T T^T fa w t ^ n ? r ^ k w R »rsfV if? arerrfr ( ^ t) spy^t srk fro? sreft fr wft f «tt t ^ t f r vifyt^r fsr# fr ^ ro r- f t w JTCsffcs- srrfe sRTfr wrft vr 5T^sr s m r grrr wq% ?r«r ^ T T ^ ft w\ srw?r *tt srR*nr ^ ^ ^ fr ^tJr# % fr, fr ^RT?r f o r sm g | , ^FTrci T R ’fH t % f^TCT % fa|tTT®r ^ cr«rr € t r t r ^ r f T j f t % #?r?r m f ? («r) ^ srf^rr fr ^ ^fwsrrm fr ^ rr g sn r f?nr | ^rr f^ r r q$r p r ferfr w t< w t sfk ?rfswrfwt stt% | ? % ’TT^r fW^ft 3TTT **TCTT I , ywrar wrt H^rery fr x m (*r) wm ^ f n f t % fafr w *hfV wt) : »m7n: fr ^n^AiT fit ^dHT ^nj?r 5Fmrr 'snrnn f% ?rr^>r fr smft Tr sr^sr fWr ^^-vfw rhtft *rwr ^FIt?t fa*JT ^ 1 fcfr *n% % sre 10 for fr *rr?r ffrsr *r%, srk Setting up an Enquiry Committee to go in- to sale of Relief Materials for Bangladesh (* ) Jife $i, cfr trgrr t t t t Refugees fern ^rTfritT, sffc «rftr cf) * t t * n ? r | ? 5106 DR LAXMINARAIN PAN- DEYA Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITATION be pleased to state fwwr iflr wm ^*iwn *f (a) whether material intended for (lie ifcft («ft 5n$**m«t) : (v) fr (*) . relief of Bangladesh has been seized g « FWt V fW R *TJ *ftt &TTT while being sold at many places, 83 Written Answeis DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers 84 (b) whether an enquiry committee Refugees from Bangladesh had also been set up for the purpose; and 5308. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF: Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- (c) if so, the report of the said Com- HABILITATION be pleased to state: mittee? (a) whether a number of families have THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND arrived in West Bencal dnrmi» the la3t REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. four-five months from Bangladesh; and KHADILKAR); (a) No, Sir. (b) if so, the reasons therefor and the (b) and (c) Does not arise. arrangements Government of India have made in this regard ? «R tfWFT % THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. sfaw jrrfaff v t sffemfw KHADILKAR): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) It was decided that persons who 5307. f&o X&o J T t f * : had migrated to India from the erstwhile v w rif 3HTH : East Pakistan before the 25th March, 1971 and had gone back to Bangladesh after 3PTT «r q-f ^crr% its liberation, would not be repatriated to that country as they were not Bangladesh ^ ^TT f*P I nationals. The Government of India have decided to take back the above mentioned (^) srsswir category of refugees after proper verifica arcr fawrr anfw frqr ztmt tion. These persons are being moved to the Central Camp at Mana near Raipur (M.P.) where they are presently being given necessary relief assistance. ( THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI ( 2 ) w? *ftr «for w r -ss v f t JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) An area of 885.372 acres of private land in village Amecbaad srfcT was acquired in November|December, 1961, at a total cost of Rs. 31.96 lakhs. The (3 ) fi% — 50 per bigh'a rates varied from Rs. 300|- to Rs. 900/-. For land falling on road sides, ^ jrfa additional compensation off Rs. 100]- to Rs. 150f- per bigha was granted as com- pensation. 1 (h) The land was acquired under the % t; (a) whether the K.P.l. Authority pur- chased two plots of land in New Delhi (*r) *r«r?fcr ir cr«r w r % ? for the construction of Office building and Staff Quarters for the Staff and Officers working in the Central Office/Regional fw m ifrt irm P.F. Office of the organisation; (*ft 5fr$*WW WT) : (W>) If (it). 22- 7- 197/2 % fasrfrrfacr ^Priff % (b) whether heavy amount was paid ijeiff if *?%*? % 2f> »r£ Trfar ^ to the D.D.A. for this; and > - (c) if so, the reasons for not construct- ing the buildings as well as staff quarters and spending a large amount on rent for ( l ) f i r f c — s o ^ srfcr z* them ? $ 9 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Ansaers 90 THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND in the cadre of L.D.C. to the non-qualifled REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. Class IV staff of the E.P.F. Organisation; 4CHADILKAR): (b) whether the test prescribed for them is very tough; and The Provident Fund authorities have .reported as under :— (c) if so, whether Government propose to prescribe a simple test for them so that (a) to (c). A lot of land measuring the spirit of such relaxation could be about 5 acres has been purchased at a maintained ? cost of Rs. 12.12 lakhs near Malviya Nagar from the Delhi Development THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Authority for the construction of staff REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. quarters. Another small plot of about KHADILKAR): The Employees Provident 0.219 acre has been allotted at a cost of Fund authorities have reported as un- Rs. 6.8 lakhs by the Ministry of Work* der:— and Housing to the Employees’ Provident Fund Organisation at Barakhamba Lane (a) According to the Staff Service for the construction of Office building. Regulations, Class FV staff, both matri- culates and non-matriculates with certain Layout and development plans for the prescribed service conditions are eligible to construction of staff quarters have been compctc for the prescribed quota of posts prepared and submitted to the Delhi of Lower Division Clerks reserved lor de- Development Authority for approval partmental promotion of Class IV staff. which is still awaited. As regards office (b) 'and (c). The syllabus prescribed is building, plans for thc construction of a not very tough but is intended to ensure multi storeyed office building on the basis that the successful candidates can handle of the original stipulation of F.A.R. were the job on promotion with a minimum prepared and submitted to thc New Delhi standard of efficiency. Municipal Committee for their approval. The Committee desired to have a ‘No Admission to Children and Dependents objection Certificate’ from the Land and of Ex-Servicemen and Army Personnel in Development Officei. Ministry of Works Profession and Vocational Institutions and Housing in the light of the recent 5317. PROF NARAIN CHAND restrictions imposed on the construction of PARASHAR) Will the Minister of t.ill buildings in and around Connaught DEFENCE be pleased to state: Place area. As s w c 1 fed by the Ministry of Works and Housing, revised plans (a) whethci Government have ensured re ac tin g the height of the building to that there is an adequate reservation ol about 120 feet have been drawn and seats, relaxation of age and relaxation in submitted to them for issuing no objection thc minimum percentage of marks for certificate. As soon as clearance is admission of the children and the depen- 1 eccived from that Ministry, the revised dents of thc Aimy personnel and the Ex plan? will be submitted to the New Delhi set vicemen in the piofessional and voca- Municipal Committee for their approval tional institutions in the Countrv; (b) if so. the concession available in Promotion Class IV Staff as Clerks in thc connection; and E.P.F.O. (c) the names of the States the 5316. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI: Universities and thc Medical and Engineering colleges where such conces SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI sions have been granted and those where Will the Minister of LABOUR AND these have not been granted? REHABILITATION be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (a) whether the Central Board of (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) and (b) 'Trustees has decided to allow promotion A certain number of seats in Medical and 9l Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers Dental Colleges were reserved and allotted The Final Act' of the Conference was- upto 1972 to wards of servicemen/Ex- signed by 61 countries on 13th Novem- servicemen. From 1973 on wards, these ber, 1972. seats would be allocated to the wards of deccasedjdisabled servicemen, There is The Conference resulted in the adop* no reservation for the children/dependents tion of a Convention on the Prevention of Marine Pollution by Dumping of of servicemen in so far as Industrial Wastes and other Matter. The Conven- Training Institutes are concerned. How- ever, 5 seats are reserved for ex-service- tion will be open for signature from 29th. December, 1972 to 31st December, 1973. men in each Industrial Training Institute. In addition, 1,000 personnel during the 80 countries participated in the Con- last year of their service and thereafter ference, while 12 more sent observers. are assigned to Industrial Training Intitule against reserved vacancies for training (b) The Convention provides for con- As far as Medical/Dental studies are con- tracting parties to promote individually cerned, the children of the deccascd/dis and collectively the effective control of all ablcd servicemen have to secure at least sources of pollution of the marine environ- 50 per cent in competitive examinations ment. It provides for countries with for admission to Medical/Dental Colleges, common interests to enter into regional in compulsory subjects like English. agreements consistent with the Convention. Physics, Chemistry and Biology. In so It also includes the promotion of training far as ITIs are concerned, no relaxation of scientific and technical personnel, has been provided to the ex-serviccmen supply of equipment and facilities for in educational qualifications and age limit. research and monitoring and the disposal In case of war-widows seeking admission and tieatment of waste and other measures to the ITIs, an age relaxation upto 45 to prevent or mitigate pollution caused by years has been provided. dumping so that the aims and purposes of the Convention are strengthened. (c) Concessions/Relaxation provided to Idle Capacity In Barrackpur Aeronautic* ex-Servicemen and their dependents vary from State to State. Time and effort 5319. ?*HRT SAMAR GUHA: Will the involved in collecting the information wilt Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to not be commensurate with thc results state: 79 Countries’ Pact on Pollution (a) whether the Barrackpur Aeronau- tics did commendable repairing and other 5318. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY- works during 1965 and 1971 wars; Will the Minister of EXTERNAL (b) whether this aeronautical engineer- AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ing unit is now practically without work; (a) whether any pact was signed by tho (c) if so, the reasons therefor and the Delegates from 79 countries on thc 14th steps taken by Government to utilise its November, 1972 in London to control the installed capacity; dumping of wastes into sea and save thc world’s oceans from pollution; and (d) whether a new aeronautical Factory has been opened at Lucknow although the (b) if so, the contents thereof? Barrackpur units installed capacity re- mained idle; and <* THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (e) if so, the reasons therefor ? (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) THE MINISTER O F ' STATE An Inter-governmental Conference on the (DEFENCE PRODUCTION).' IN THE Convention on the Dumping of Wastes MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRT at Sea was held in London from 30th VIDYA CHARAN SMUKLA): (a) Yes. October to 13th November, 1972. Sir. 93 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 94 and (c). Barrackpore branch factory (b) the total amount of interest paid of HAL continues to undertake overhaul by Government so far on the foreign of Dakota aircraft but thete has been capital invested therein, and some reduction m woik-load because of reduction of Dakota holdings of the IAI (c) the estimated additional amount of To meet the situation efioits aie being foreign capital likely to be invested? made to find additional wojk foi this factory THE MINISTIR OF SI A ir IN THE MINIMI RY OF SILLL AND MINr S (d) and (e) A new factory tor manu (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) No facture of aircraft accessoncs and com dircct capital investment ha* been made ponents is being built at I ucknow As by Cjrovemment w Durgapur Steel Plant Barrackpore Factory was established only which is d unit of Hmdust in Steel I unit for undernkins ovcrhtul of Dakota an cd All the capital investment has been craft and not foi mamifactuunc aiicraft made in Hindustan Seel Limited who allot or their accessories it wa* not feasible foi funds to the units in aceoidmce with their that factory to undertake accessories jequiremcnts The capital expenditure as manufacture which requires sophisticated on the 31st M ireh 72 on the Durgapur machinery an deciuipment as well as Steel Plant, financed fiom funds invested technical expertise of a different type in Hindustan Steel I united by Govern ment is Rs 234 7 crores consisting of Employment Targets During Fourth Plan Rs 134 9 crores ^ equitv md Rs 99 8 crores as Government loan 5820 SHRIMATI BHARGAVI (b) No foremn capital has been invest- THANKAPPAN Will the Minister of ed in Durgapur Steel Plant IABOUR AND REHABILITATION be pleased to state (c) Does not arise (a) the targets fixed for employment opportunity during the Fouith Five Year Trial of Two Kashmiris who Hijacked Plan, and Indian Airlines Plane to Lahore (b) whethei the fugets fixed arc likely 5222 SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH to be ichieveil, it not the steps pioposed to be taken in the matter*’ SHRI G Y KRISHNAN Will the Minister of EXTERNAL THE MINISTER OF IABOUR AND AFFAIRS be pleased to state REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHADIIKAR) (a) and (b) In this (a) whether Pakistan has ordered the connection reference is invited to the tiial of two Kashmiris before a Special statement laid on the Table of the House Court held foi hijacking the Indian Air- in reply to parts (a) and (b) of unstaired lines pi me to lahoie and burning it at question No 1376 dated 22 11 1972 in the an port, and Lok Sabha bv the Planning Minister (b) if so the particular, thereof? Indian and Foreign Capital Investment In THl DFPUTY MINISTER IN THE Durgapur Steel Plant MINISTRY OF fcXTLRNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURFNDRA PAL SINGH) (a) 5121 SHUIMATI BHARGAVI and (b) Pakistan Government had inti- IfHANKAPPAN Will the Mimstei of mated to the International Court of Justice STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state that the “hijackers and their accomplices were being tried before a Special Court (a) the capital investment made by Government m the Durgapur Steel Plant headed by a Senior Judge of the Supreme Court of Pakistan” Government how so far, 3020 L S —4 Written. Answers , DECEMBER. 21, 1972 Written Answers 95 ~ ever, do. ·riot have autlientic information Introduction of Instrument at' Laser ·Beam· reg?._rding the prese nt state of the trial. · for Military Purposes ~ - Agitation by Dandakarnaya Employees 5324. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the. Minister of DEFENCE be · pleased to 5323. SHRJ SAMAR GUHA: Will the state: Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- TATION -be pleased to state: (a) whether the Indian Defence Orga- (a) whether the employees in Dadaka- ·nisations are ;keeping abreast with the ranya undertook a,gitation including fast information regarding introduction of ne\v for remedy of their grievances; instrument of Laser Beam for military_ purposes; ( b) if so, the main grievances of the eIJrtployees and their demands; and (b) if so, the facts about the variol)s aspects of use of Laser Beam for military ( c) the steps taken by Government to objectives; meet them ? THE MINISTB~ OF LABOUR AND ( c) whether Indian Defence Organisa- REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. tions have outlined concrete projects for KHADILKAR) : (a) Yes, Sir. One of utili-sation of newly- .discovered beam; the Staff Associations submitte.d a Charter and of Demands comprisicg 69 demands, while another .As"SOciation ·submitted another (d) if so, the main features there-_ Charter of Demands comprising of 38 about ? demands to the .. Chief. Administrator, Dandakaranya Project, Koraput. One of the As~ ociation s st?~ted a relay hunger THE MINISTER OF STATE 'Strike, ' followed by indfviduaf strike but (DEFENCE PRODUCTION) . IN THE this was called off on lS-12-1972. MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Yes, (b) The main grievances listed in these Sir. Charters we : ..· ·{Q .R~trenchment of · workcharge (iv) Restoration of the cut 1n Project allowance; and (c) Yes, Sir. · (v) Providing rent free accommoda- ( d) Defence R & D Organisation has tiop- to all Project employees etc. already , undertaken investigational pro- blems on the development of some laser ( c) Meetings have been · arranged with borne 'Systems . Our activities in this area · the representatives of the two Associ'ations are going to be expanded in the next few separately "to· discuss their · alleged grie- years. tt is not in the public interest to. vances. disclose more details . at this stage. ■97 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 98 SMJce-Hlt Newspaper of Julhindur 0 * ) w w 'rib ft far irtr 5325 PROP NARAIN CHAND sm w fgtffa PA RASHAR Will the Minister of *rrfnn % s**?* ft frc* ^ LABOUR AND REHABILITATION be pleased to state ft, TSTT *T3T*W % tr^r fs n m , sm ff srtfifartfrcft 1955 ft ^=r (a) whether the indefinite strike by the *t * t t frwft inr w t employees of all the 12 newspapers pub lisbed from Jullundur have been taken note of by Government: and (b) if so the reaction of Government to the demands made by the Joint Action Committee of the Newspaper employees’ THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHADILKAR) (a) and (b) The matter falls essentially m the State sphere The State Industrial Relations Machinery is W ^ (ift TW) : seized of it, the State Labour Minister has already held several discussions with the (*r) ifta (w) *pr??w parties and is continuing efforts to promote 9- i i - 5sMtrrr<>'ft© an amicable settlement 22- 12-1959 WT 9- 4- 60- W W ( * ) , fc?TPP 20- 4-1961 ft flftr iTCr ^rfcSKTT % falRTt i *«rr 2 * % fair tsh Tr^rr^nr % f?rq frw ft irr*ff «rnfft??r %flr ?rrfa?r | 5326. *ft Sm m • WT n - 3- i 965ft ?irT^TTf^Tr»nTr^ i T * r r ^ ^ r r f t ^ sr *rnpr £ , *TT TfT f I 99 Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers XtiO (*r) 3Pre(v)wr(w)5t*r*fasr ftsrr w w srcSra? arfar fVefr f*n8T5fr WT % SRPfa ?rt| vr sTra* fw to m t ftfr^rwfi % *r«ft 13 cr*rr W r i*WTi yTETR W*TT «TT ^ 4 % tk (trr#tar sfft ®te*rr) 9tt^ ?r# farcrr srr Tfr f, sft ftrfaWT tst qr g^faw r f <* | % s f t wm *r> ^reff WTT 5»ft WTFT % ^ c f t t I * m 5327. «ft «R$riir w r o .* w fW lfc 3RT1% ^ ?rT # ^ fo ^ F rrf ?T^s^^^?lt^t (sr) vfa $r, ?rt «rwr sr^r % WTfaWt % ?mr WT $ f^FWt 1 9 7 2 - 7 2 % fa*rf*T *fr| spr stt^ t (^) TO 91# ^ T | 101 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 1 0 2 Stay by Pakistan Ctvfflan* In Pak High retained by the Defence as Signal Instruc- Cemmk** Premises in India tors in the Corps of Signals; and 5328. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PAS- (c) if so, whether these persons who WAN: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL have been retained by Defence have been AFFAIRS be pleased to state: made permanent? (a) whether several Pakistan civilians THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are still putting up in the Pak High Com- MINISTRY OP DEFENCE (SHRI mission premises in Delhi; VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a). Yes, Sir, In 1962 the U.P S C. agreed to the (b) if so, the reasons for permitting absorption of the Ovilian Technical Offi- them to stay in India; arid cer^CSvilian Gazetted Officers (Instroc- tional) in the Defence Seience Service. (c) whether these civilians were actually •engaged, prior to hostilities, in sabotage work in India and if so, the reasons for (b) Yes, Sir. not launching prosecution against them? (c) Not yet. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH), (a). 12 PaLvtani civilians who had entered India illegally from Bangladesh, before December 3, 1971, are continuing to stay in the premises of thc former Pakistan 5330. FTTWaft *T f : High Commission which are now under STT m ’T 1T*T : the charge of the Embassy of Switzerland, New Delhi. t o t *rr*r ^ sicrtf (b) Since these Pakistani nationals had entered India illegally, they cannot be fWT ^ f a 3HRT allowed to leave India until they come out of thc Mission premises and submit T O ? wrr STSFST ff f a i r themselves to our jurisdiction. 5TT% jp 3T (c) Government have not received any *>> £ faerr* t o report to the effect that these Pakistani civilians were engaged in any sabotage v t ^ srrf if *rsrrc faq; work in India. P m ht f m r r $ ? Selection of Civillian Technical Officers/ Civtttan Instructors Signal in Defence s k t o ^ *rsxr Science Services (*f» wnwwra *srt) ; sFhr^r 5329. SHRI R. V. BADE: Will the tfrr Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to f i % % tt state: srcfsrer f?rrfa^ fw n r sflc ? n f$ T (a) whether thp Civilian Technical Offi- cers/Civilian Instructors Signal (C.G.Os.) srnft swsr t o r wr «rr i w in Defence Science Service had been select- ed and approved by U.P.S.C. in 1962. I'QJ, fTPWl ^Pt^TfTT 5ffe % TOf^ ftffecT (b) if so, whjetber the persons who had been selected by the UPSC have been fa fo r f t % rm * m r 11 103 Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers % ipt, f t p * TjftST $ (b) ThjC contingent e m p tie s of the Geological Survey of Ii&ia art granted t*F ^ STR1 sjrWTPRT $ ^RcTT % benefit of leave with wages etc., whenever m grfW *nr¥tin^ i admi&sible, if accordance with the provi- WW %q,v^l^'s3WrPT *f 5331. SHRI LALJI BHAI: Will the f a I Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state: (V) TITOM % fafa* t (a) whether contingent workers of Geo- fafaST WTT fsRH ^TJT logical Survey of India deployed at various camps throughout the country do not get T t t I their monthly salary regularly; (sr) 3PTT 7TSRSTR % f # T f ^ f f (b) whether they are not entitled to es- w v m f a f m sential benefits such as leave, medical faci- % *r J w r % lities and Provident Fund; and srfosr 'nrr srrn s^httcrt % , sffc (c) whether there is lot of irregularity fa making services of these workers per- (*r) v fe ?t, ?ft [ v n «ft manent? f^RTT m m spr# apT t ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES I wio *rsn*ror 3 Ti3v (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN)* (a). There is no report from any camp of the («ft $f?swir Demand and Production of AtanUm fwWTOI fw If Wlf ffw w wf Sheets tfw m m 5333 SHRI M KATHAMUTHU 5334. ffi : m m tir W& ti» Minister ol STEBL AND S’cf'H fHT 1HMB8 b tpltued to states (wr) WT 4 ( t ^ Tlf r f t % fsnj TTs*r, y r v r tt (a) whether demand for aluminium ^ SFW ’TTvf 3*4- sheets in the country could not be fulfil led, if so, the facts thereof, # (*r) s flrr w t (c) the tune likely to be taken to attain V aetteriM at f in production of Alumini- um-- m v r «ro i f a (*ft w fo fc* THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (*p ) ^sft ^ i MINISTRY OF STFEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) No separate httnce is issued for the produc tion of aluminium sheets alone Liccnces {m ) m JTgt i are issued for rolled products, which m elude aluminium sheets circles strips and slugs etc Th,e demand for aluminium rol Expenditure on Refugees from Bangaldesh 1" ] products is at present estimated at and West Pakistan 74 000 tonnes per annum against which the existing capacity is of the oider of 77,600 tonnes per annum, 5335. SHRI AMBESH: Will the Minis- tei oi lAliOUR AND REHABILITA T£ON be pleased to state the amount spent head wise, for lodging and boarding (b) The target for production of rolled of the refugees from Bangladesh and products by the end of the Fourth Plan West Pakistan, separately? (1973-74) is about 81,000 tonnes p a THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (c) Excepting to a marginal extent, the REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHA- DILKAR) The accounting of expendi- country is self-sufficient m the production ture has not yet hem finahseA- However, of aluminium rolled products a statement showing estimated expends 107 Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Attswers Statement Expenditure pyf^ e f t» Afrfrnfrarn Bangladesh. Rs./Croies Basic food Rations, value of other items in cash or kind including daily cash a llo w a n c e ...... S h e l t e r ...... > 57*97. * H eadings...... 0*04 Water Supply and s a n i t a t i o n ...... 6*25 Vehicles ...... 7*io Transport charges (Running expenses)...... 3 oo. B la n k e ts ...... 3*60 U te n s i ls ...... i '43 'C lo th in g ...... 4*33 M edicines...... 7’37 iBaby Food, milk powder, CSM/WSB, tinned stuff aid other food i t e m s ...... I S ’OO Operation Life Line (Nutrition scheme) .... 2*67 r Rehabilitation e x p e n s e s ...... 40-93 AUscsllaneotts (including administrative expanses) • JS‘54 30V <>4 Outstanding 1 ab.lities . 20-00 323-04 Statement of B*ps vliturt 0* relief Facilities to Pak Nationals who had sought Shelter in India after the hostilities of December 197X Rs /Lakhs Total expenditure incurred so far on po vision of relief faciJiiies Visit of Delegation of Royal Thailand THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI Navy Id India JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Yes, Sir. 5336. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN: SHRI R. S. PANDEY: (b) The purpose of the visit was to Will the Minister of DEFENCE be study naval training facilities and defence pleased to state: production facilities in the country with (a) whether a ten Member delegation a view to utilise training facilities in India of the Royal Thai Navy visited India on for the Royal Thailand Navy as well as the 25th November; and explore the possibilities of procuring (b) if so, the purpose of their visit? some naval spares/dtorea. *0 9 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers n o Restrictions an Foreign Business in Expansion of Hindustan Zinc Plant at Thailand Udaipur 5338. SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANF 5337. SHRI R. S. PANDEY; Will the Minister ofi EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: pleased to state: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MTNES be pleased to state: (a) whether Government of Thailand (a) whether the Hinducian Zinc Smel- have imposed restriction on the foreign ter Unit. Udaipur is likely to be expanded; business in that country; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and (b) the extent to which the Indian busi- A ness interests have been affected there on (c) the time by which js likely to be expanded? account of this order; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THfe (c) the steps taken to secure protection MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES of the business interests of Indians in Thai- (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN); (a) Yes, land? Sir. The Zinc Smelter of the Hindustan Zinc Ltd., at Debari (near Udaipur) is be- ing expanded from 18.000 to 36.000 ton- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE nes per annum with facilities for corres- MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ponding increase in production of bye-pro- (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a). ducts and matching mining facilities Yes, Sir. The Government of Thailand Issued on 24th November 1972 National (b) The Zinc Smelter i- being expanded Executive Council Announcement No. 281 to increase indigenous production of zmc imposing; restrictions on foreign business metal and thus reduce dependence on in Thailand. imports. (b) and (c). It is difficult at this stage (c) The expansion is likely to material- to assess precisely the extent to which ise in 1975. Indian business interests will be affected, and further clarifications and information Production of Steel per llead in Foreign about the manner in which the provisions of the decree will be implemented are Countries and in India awaited. The Government of Thailand has stated that the purpose of the An- 5339. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: nouncement is to maintain the balance of Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES power in national trade as well as economy be pleased to state: between Thai nationals and foreigners and also to make business operations by aliens contribute as much benefit to the (a) the steel per head produced by nation as possible. The measures are not, Japan, Russia and America; and however, expected to impose undue res- trictions on the business interests of (b) the steel per head produced by pub- Indian nationals. Government are watch- lic sector Mills and the Tatas? ing the situation to ensure adequate pro- tectfcft «1 the tejfthrtrte business interests THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of Indians in Thailand. MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES I l l Written* Answers DECEMBER t l , 1972 Written Answer* i l a t (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN); t£ £c). Pakistan has been projecting its Programme lor Eiplotoflm i Reserves Mint of view On issues such as Admission tor Production of AsbestosIp Cuddapah tk Bangladesh and return of Prisoners of District of Andhra Pr***h War by way of statements, publicity hand- outs *ud intensive lobbying with delega- 5433 SHRT K. KODANDA RAMI tions. At the same tine, desirability of REDDY : Will the Minister of STEEL peace in the sub-continent and implemen- AND MINES be pleased to state: tation of Simla Agreement have also been emphasised. (a) whether asbestos produced in the Cuddapah District in Andhra Pradesh is of best quality available in the country; The Indian representatives have taken land $11 necessary measures to present the cor- rect picture. The Simla Agreement and ef- (b) thc estimated reserves, the progress forts being made in search of durable in the exploitation, the present program- peace have been widely welcomed in the me for full exploitation of the above mi- U.N. The general impression among mem- neral? bers of the U.N. is that the situation in the sub-continent is improving despite Va- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE rious difficulties. MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. Good quality of chrysotile asbestos is found in Pullvemjra taluk of Cuddapbh Wndy Potential Deposits of Bisanatham district, Andhra Pradesh. Gold Mine at Chittor (b) Total reserves of chrysotile estimated 5343. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI till the end of 1971 in Pulivendla belt axe REDDY- Will the Minister of STEEL placed at 26,977 tonnes. This area is being AND MINES be pleased to state: exploited both by public and private sec- tors (a) whether a recent study of the mine t dumps by G SI at Bisanatham Gold mines Exploitation of Flux-Gradc Lime-stone Re- of Chittor district Andhra Pradesh has in- serves at Kamalapuram, Yerraguntha and dicated that it is worth-while to reopen the Bhogasamiidnyn areas of Cuddapah Bis* mine since the ore is fairly rich in Schee- trict lite (Tungsten ore); and (b) if so, the leaction of the Govern- 5345 SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI ment thereto? REDDY: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MTNES be pleased to state whether, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THF in view of establishing a Steel Plant at MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES Hospet, the Government are contemplating (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and to take steps to prospect and exploit the (b). The survey carried by the Geological reserves of flux-grode lime-stone at Kamal- Survey of India during 1965-67 has indicat- apuram, Verraguntha and Bhogasamudram areas of Cuddapah District in Andhra Pra- ed the presence of about 157 tonnes of Sehee' in the mine dumps and waste desh? rocl■, around Bisanatham mine. As thc THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE quan'ity is too small, it can be obtaned MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES only as a byproduct during mining of gold. (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN)- It is pro- At present there is no intention to open posed to meet the requirements of flux the defunct Bisanatham mines. If and grade lime-stone for the Vijayanagar steel when gold mining is re-opened at Bisana- plant from the deposits near Bagalkot in ’tiham, attention will be given to the reco- Bijfepur district of Mysore State. Other al- j very of Scbeelite as a byproduct. tentative sources will also be considered 1 15 Written Answers DECEMBER 21* 1?72 Written Answers J i6 depending mi availability, quality and pri- Statonm* ces. For this, necessary investigations Despatches of Ftmshcd Steel to varum will be taken up. States during 1972-73 by the Mam Steel Plant T otal (In ’ 000 tonne*) Exploration of occaneacti of Comadno in Anantapur by G.SX SI. No. Name of States 1972-73* 5346 SHRI K. KOOANDA RAM f REDDY: WiU the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state whether 1 2 3 the Geological Survey of India is contem- plating to explore the occurrences of Corundum in Artantapur District of An- I Andhra Pradesh 28'4 dhra Pradesh? 2 Assam . 7'5 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3 Bihar 63** MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES Delhi . (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): Corundum 4 2 3 5 occurrences have already been investigated 5 Goa t*i by Geological Survey of India in 1954-55 6 23*0 during the course of systematic mapping Gujarat . carried out in parts of Kalyandrug Taluk. 7 Haryana . 20*0 Anantapur district of Andhra Pradesh. As a result of this investigation, scattered oc- S H rr,achal Pradesh 1*1 currences of Corundum were noted as 9 Jarrynu and Kashn ir 3*1 small crystals in the gravel soil in a Zone 3 to 6 K.M. wide extending from Sidda- 10 Kerala . 8*i ramapuram in the north to Timmapuram 11 Madhya Pradesh 27*6 in the South. 12 Maharashtra . 82*1 Allotment of Steel to States In 1972-73. 13 Manipur . 1*5 5347. SHRI VEKARIA: Will the Min- U Mysore . H *i ister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased Nagaland to state the quota of steel sanctioned to J5 2'3 different States, State-wise during 1972-73? 16 NEFA . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 17 Orissa 17* I MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES j 8 Pondicheiry . 0*3 (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHANV The sys- tem of allocation of “quotas” was given up 19 Punjab . 36-4 when the Steel Distribution po'icy was 20 Raiasthan 16*8 revised in May, 1970 All despatches from the main producers are now regulated in 21 Tarril Nadu . ?i*4 accordance with the priority allocations 22 Tripura . 0 1 decided every quarter by the Steel Priority Committee after taking into account the 23 Uttar Pradesh . 47*8 end use for which steel is required, the 72*3 availability and competing demands. 24 West Bengal . T otal . 5*5'7 However a statement showing despatches of finished steel to various States during 1972-73 (April-June *72) by the main ♦Figures relate to the period April to Steel Plants it attached. June, 1972. 117 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers II g M a in * of Technical Officers and men of existing rates at all places, where such ‘al- Indian Air Force in Radar and Air-Guid- lowance is admissible to the Central Gov- ed Weapons ernment employees in the corresponding 5348. SHRI MADHU DAN DA VATE: categories under the existing rules, has Will the Minister of DEFENCE be ple'as- been allowed to the employees of the Em- ed to state: ployees’ Provident Fund Organisation with effect from 1st June, 1972 with the ap- (a) whether Government have taken proval of the Government. steps to train technical officers and men of the Indian Air Force in Radar and (b) and (c). Do not arise as Employees’ Air-Guided Weapons; and Provident Fund Organisation is not a Pub- lic Sector Organisation as leferrcd to in (b) if so, the main features thereof? the question. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (n) Yes, Sir. Low Output of Mica Mines due to Dwind- ling Mica Reserves (b) AH technical officers of thc Electro- 5350. SHRI RAJDFO SINGH: Will thc nics Branch in the IAF ‘are trained in Ra- Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleas- dar Technology during the basic ttaining. ed to state: In addition, selected officers are given spe- cialised ttaining in Guided Weapon* Tech- (a) whether the output of mica mines nology. Airmen of the Signals trade are is gradually diopping after all lime peak also taught Radar and Guided Weapons output of 31,942 tonnes of crude mica in Technology. 1968; (b) whether the reserves of mica are House Rent for E.P.F.O. Employees dwindling 'after being exploited until 1958 and onward; 5349. SHRI MADHU DANDAVATE: Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- (c) whether efforts arc being made to HABILITATION be pleased to state; explore for mica in the adjoining area or some other parts of the country as pet* (a) whether the representatives of Fin- Geological Survey; ance Ministry on the Employees Provident Fund Organisation have opposed the un- (d) whether India’s mica export after animous decisions of the Employees Provi- having held a virtual monopoly of world dent Fund Board in respect of the increase market for ’a century is gradually falling; in the House Rent Allowance to Employ- and ees Provident Fund employees; fe) if reply to (b) and (c) above be in (b) whether Government have given ins- the negative, the mam reasons for drop tructions to its representatives on various in output and falling in export volume? Public Sector organisations to follow a uniform pattern of House Rent Allowance to be pfaid to employees of Public sector THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE organisation having their offices in cities, MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES ' and (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) to (b) Tike Provident Fuad authorities have Staff U*km in Central Office o f & FJ?4. reported that there has been 00 such case. (c) Does not fcrise. 5355. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: Will the Minister Of LABOUR AND RE- niw #m rwifiw wft.*?* HABILITATION be pleated to state: * m (a) whether a handful of staff members 5354* m working in the Central Office of the Em- ployees’ Provident Fund Organisation have been given recognition by the Central ft? : OBtnmissfertier ignoring ta large ttumber ctf employees who have already got la regisr (v) •wt tm tjfirtfr $M> tered union and represent 90 per cent Of is staff members; % t t m r (b) whether the Association has reduced io«nrar, i972*^5rmftrtt^; its strength less than 10 per cent of the total staff memebrs; and («r)*iftp, srm f (c) if so, the reasons for not giving re- ; sfhc cognition to such Association? (n ) (a) to (c). Some members of the staff in the Central Office of the Employees’ «r*v §*rofa («ft «t t « * o Provident Fund Organisation formed an ^rtf¥?WR*) : (v) sfr 1 Association of Employees in March 1972 and sought recognition in accordance with the principles of recognition then applica- ble. Hris Association was found to satisfy {*) vfWr Mr »t ot I the eligibility criteria for recognition and ft? frapr tv ?tto sfirar % was accordingly recognised by the Central Provident Fund Commissioner. The prin- vt ftr^ %pm vfsrfvm, ciples of recognition have undergone opr* 1965 vf «rftflr % ar^t fan- »mr I, tain changes since then. The revised prin- trfafonr ^^Fsr^ftaR sm ciples of recognition as finally approved have been circulated amongst this recogni- u^r^TTJir^Rr'Trf^ri sed Association and other unrecognised Federattons|Unions. This recognised As- (»r) frart tv aft ft? ^?r vr sociation has been asked to furnish further defails to consider the question of their tv t, irnr *ftr «nr ftpr continuing as a recognised Association ^«*ff *fVr ?fy r^ a w fayfr-w f w m m under the revised principles. The revised % % arrforf^ 4*) *r srcfa?r a«fr principles do not rule out the grant of recognition to more than one Association ’ftf?nfif%3g < Payments of House Rent ia EJP.F.O. la ih Maharashtra region. As regards, Orissa Maharashtra and Orissa region since Bhubaneswar was not catego- 5356. SHRI RAMAVTAR SHASTRI; rized under any class of cities at the time Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- of issue of the Government's orders and HABILITATION be pleased to state: no House Rent Allowance was admissible (a) whether the Central BoanJ of Trust- at that ptace, the employees of the Regi- ees recommended 10 pei cent House Rent onal Office, Orissa were not allowed to Allowance m respect of Maharashtra Re- draw additional 5 per cent House Rent Al- gional Office Staff Members and lowance. As Bhubaneswar city has since 5 per ccnt for all employees of the Em- ployees’ Provident Fund Organisation; been upgraded as Class ‘C* city with effect from 1-8-1972, the question of payment of (b) whether Orissa Regional Officc Staff House Rent Allowance for the. employees Members have not been made the pj>nurt of 5 per cent Hous Rent Allowance and of the Organisation in Orissa region is Maharashtra Staff Membcts have only been under consideration of the Government paid 5 per cent; and (c) if so, the reasons thereof? THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA- I’m s r m DILKAR)* The Employees Provident Fund Authorities have reported ‘as under*— (a) Yes. 5 J 5 7. W U cTT *rk STH ifsft # f^T M ftrti Im irt ti VMfb «< Anob aad Survey, by G&I. far iron eve deposte .fta M n iw h ijir In U N . Calicut district region 5358. SHRI D. B. CHANDRA 5359. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: GOWDA: Will the Minister of EXTER- Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES NAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: be pleased to state: ::2ltd 'P ~y Coriuliissio.h ·.contaiu.ed! at;: page · the- factories are threatened. to .. be closed -415 of this ReporPin··,c0nnection with the . down; -and ,.earned .Jea"'.e ot the .workshop staff (indus- ttial e~plouee.s) and no· progress )has so ( b )' if so, .. the facts in ·this regard and. '. far been ma'de; and the steps - taken . by , -Government to.· pro- vide fo the· factor-ies ·raw· material .for· (b) ·if so, what steps are being ta.ken manufacturing_ tin-plate 'in . tirrie? "fo itnpleinent fhese recommendations from. :a.e back :and extend its · benefits .to the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE : industrial ernplnyees of the Defence De- MINISTRY OF STEEL· AND MINES :,partment1 (SHRI SHAHNWAZ_ KHAN): (a) and ( b). No representatfon has been received THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE in, ,th~L ,M.it1ist.ry ,fr9,m , an,y_ Tin-pla~\: ,pro-. ~SHRI JAOJIVAN RAM): (a) and (b) . ducer that_ ·his factory' is ·· threatene'd · v;.ith ·.. -The .-ecammendatians of the Second Pay closure due to shortflge of raw material. Com mission regarding leave entitlement I of industrial worke.rs . in .,Defence Estab'. lishments, except - the recommendation T .B . . Victims Among. Army Cooks ;;relating 'to 'earned leave', have been implemented. The recommendation re- 5366. SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF: garding ·eamed leave in.volved sligh_t deli- Will the Minister of DEFENCE be i>eralisation in .a few cases.' This qu.estion pleased to state: was later discussed in the , National Coun- (a) whether most ·of the Army Codks '.Cil of ·J.C.M. It was felt that since the are the victims of T.B.:; and c (s r) w r fiwrat Trar$rr v* «rr»rf>w? v r j***ro» *} « * n f «n$ ft faftrcr % *r*r fcnmt jttt £ ft ^€\ 5370. «fir ^ w * r vptt : fsnr fwrr w t o r * ftrirr wffiT | * fa ?w?f (*r) w r t arr-^RinNY ssrffi (^r) vrr ^rr % *nrar rrW w f* m t ^ fat* *1% s q ^ irr^ T ? rr| f a r o srfa- 55?fTa «PtT ^ TR5T 1W*V «sr*t % srmfwrgr ^mt sn % sT^|, (sfi * t) : (ap) ^ (^r) ^T*ft «n%?r ?nr^ fW i flfSRW 5FT ^ ?T eft mz&f f^cr^l (*) «rfk (*) wfafotnr s p t t* ITtT *T 5TRrt 3TTf t f ^ tft JT^ f*rer w f t *ntsft ^ gsnr | j "jifMNf iwfCHp WRf f*R arret £ fwr 7W f*f?r^%*i * m € i «if Tffw tfrr ?wt faffre for w*% ftaT % ftp? srtr f%*n 3var '%r 5371. «fl *PTT : f?T «re*F ? m frtn rro *rerfy> ^ ST^PT f^cr 7TTT 3Tfr f f # l l *r«*TT *r w fspqnr ^pw %?rr ^s?r 2b farfvrcsr fo r 18 10 27 m %*TT A m ?WT ■» 44 «TT5TR‘ <1*1^#, W N f f t r f w $r*r j S 29 154 ?37 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Wr.tun Answers J38 w b unff *en> % st t t foT (*) *rfs $r, ?rt fan *rrc«rf, 51«TT M w fo r apt ar?R vt to? ^ ^ fsrr | 2,500 WT, ’tfte I* *> ftsr ot st^t aran t ? arret (*§r) ^f?r vfr f^TSR J^rPrt- fo r— rft for— fo r *N$ft fHTT t t t w fropT, f^T% ^rf Mw: for spT s t c h aFT% % faq ^ ^Ffr ^TRfT #■, *n ?ft mrmritcr fafaTST PlTtfT *RT *RT- T t ^PT ?T«J?rT ^SP'/jft^TWV «tt w r xrrrr, Iffor vm r-STfe % ffRT t ^ p r q rw % 1 WTFvergr tpc fSpxr »rrr am *?t r^fecT f?TRff#3cT ffT?r f t ^ftq- pWSR % fom 5TT TfT ^ ^TT ^ r^5T SWT fkn STFrT ?>ft % — jp ^ « r ts t f^ T 'SfTTnrr 1 ( 1) spR 5 ?rra|ff 4 N 4 t e f t , *rwr\ t v t *f DiM|pro>al of Comptroller tmd Auditor Steps for Optimum Production at Public General to Purchase of a Defective Loco- Sector Steel H u ts motive by Rourketla Steel Ptant Authorities 5373. SHRI ARJUN SETHI: 5374. SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be SHRI DALIP SINGH: pleased to state: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state: (a) the total annual rated capacity of the puhlic sector-Steel Plants for produc- (a) the reaction of Government to the tion of steel at present and the total annual criticism of the Comptroller and Auditor production achieved; General of India and his disapproval of the act of Rourkela Steel Plant authorities of buying defective Locomotive from (b) the reasons for net-utilising the abroad and thus causing considerable loss optimum production capacity of each steel to the Public Exchequer; and plant; and (b) the measures Government have (c) the action which Government have taken against the plant authorities respon- taken or propose to take to utilise the sible for the loss? optimum production capacity of public sector steel plants? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b). The observations of the Comptroller THE MTNISTFR OF STATE IN THE and Auditor General of India with regard MINISTRY OF STEF.L AND MINES to the purchase of defective Locomotives (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) The by the Rourkela Steel Plant have been annual rated capacity of the three public noted. sector steel plants under Hindustan Steel Limited in terms of ingot steel and actual These observations are being brought to production in 1971-72 and during the the notice of M/s. Hindustan Steel Limit- period, April—November, 1972, <»re indi- ed, Ranchi for necessary action. cated below:— (In ’ooo tonnes) n Plant Rated A \ lal ActuaX capacity pro!action product1© in during 1971-72 .April— November, 1972 I 2 3 4 1.953 *>334 700 460 Rourkela Steel Plant .... 747 I 4 t Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 14* (b) Although tiie aggregate production introduced in the Rourkela Steel Plant to •of ingot steel from the three steel plants provide an additional incentive for increas- during the period April—November, 1972. ing production progressively. The Gov- •exceeded the production in the correspon- ernment also keep constant watch on the ding period last year by 4,28,000 tonnes, a performance of the steel plants through number of factors continue to affect the periodical Task Force Meetings and re- build-up of higher levels of production in views and render all the assistance that is these plants. Shortage of coke oven gas required. resulting from the unsatisfactory working Progress regarding completion of different of the coke oven batteries is still a con- Units of Bokaro Steel Plant straint on pioduction, though there has 5375. SHRI R P. UIAGANAMBI: been a gradual improvement in this Will the Ministci of STEEL AND MINES regard, particularly at Bhilai. The pro- be pleased to state: duction at Rourkela Steel Plant has been affected by the restrictions and fdilwes m (a) the progress made so far in cnm pleting the civil engineering works at the the supply of power. Adverse mdustnal Bokaro Steel Project in respect of relations continue to be the principal con- Furnaces, Coke Oven and By-product straint in the Durgapur Steel Plant. D V.C. Plant, Sintering Plant, Steel Melting Shop, power restrictions, gas shortage and equip- Hot and Cold Rolling Mills and the Re ment troubles are the other main reasons fractory Materials Plant, and f >r lower production in this plant. (b) whether the progress is being made (c) The management of the Company according to the time schedule drawn for is making all possible efforts, within the the completion of these items of Bokaro limitations imposed by the industrial rela- Pioject, and if not, the causes thereof? tions situation, particularly at Durgapur Steel Plant, to step up the tempo of pro- THE MINISTFR OF STATE IN THE duction further. These include specialised MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES repairs of Coke Ovens, use of alternative (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and fuels to supplement gas availability' oil (h). A statement is attached showing the firing in certain furnaces to augment fuel progress made in civil engineering work in resources, improved maintenance comes at these zones of the First Stage of the better equipment availability, speeding up Bokaro Steel Plant up to the end of of capital programmes required to correct November, 1972. The civil engineering existing imbalance in production facilities work in the Blast Furnace, Coke Oven and planned procurement of spares, refrac- and Sintering Plant Zones has been nearly tories and other essential materials. completed. There has been some short- Recently, a three-tier join consultathe fall in the work in the Steel Melting shop. machinery has been set up at Durgapur foi Refractory Materials Plant and Rolling speedy settlement of industrial disputes Mill Zones as compared to the time xche* and grievances and to enlist the coopera- dule. This has been largely due to failure tion of the workers in maximising produc- on the part of Contractors and the large tion. A new rewards scheme has been volume of rock excavation. 143 Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers 144. Statement * Progress of Ctvtl Engineering work in maior Zones of Stage I (1*7 Milium Tomes) of Bokaro Steel Plants Zone Total Estimated quantity Total Work Done I 2 3 x. Blast Furnace Excavation 14,00,000 cu. meters 14,48,825 cu. meters Concrete & RCC 2,27,000 ,, 2,22,989 ,, Underground communications . 32,021 meters 31,040 meters a. Cok- Oven and By-product Plant Excavation .... 7,50,000 cu. meters 7,81,510 cu. meters Concrete & RCC 1,44.524 ,, 1,53,054 » Underground communications 29,033 meters 29,582 meters 3. Sintering Plant Excavation .... 5>34,ooo cu. meters 6,11,848 cu. meters Concrete & RCC 1,08,500 i,u,47i ,, Underground communications . 14,600 meters 15,460 meters 4. Steel Melnng Shop Excavation .... 13,00,000 cu. meters 12,88,200 cu. meters Concrete & RCC i,37,ooo ,, M3,177 Underground communications . 41,671 meters 36,400 meters 5. Refractory Materials Plant \ 0 0 Excavation 6,50,000 cu. meters u> cu. meters Concrete & RCC 1,13,000 M 1,17,402 j , Underground communications , 23,425 meters 17,853 meters 6. Hot Rolling Mill Excavation .... 18,70,380 cu. meters x 8,37,531 cu. meters Concrete & RCC • 3,82,615 „ 3,51,483 to Underground Communications . 37,ooo meters 23,400 meters 7, Cold Rolling Mill Excavation .... 19,30,000 cu. meters cu* meters Concrete & RCC 4^o,*46 ,, 3,70,046 n Underground Communications . 21,763 meters 21*069 meters 145 W ^ e n Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers J4& Supply of Blanket* to Army Personnel Appointment of Secretary ci Ministry of Steel ft Mines as Secretary of Mines and 5377. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: WilL Heavy Engineering the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (a) whether during the lndo-Pak war 5376. SHRI R. P. ULAGAN AMBI: in December 1971, the two concerns viz-> Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES Arthur Import-Export Company Bombay be pleased to state; and Shri Krishna Woollen Mills, Bombay were given orders to supply 1.5 lakh, (a) whether the present Secretary of the blankets; Ministry of Steel and Mines has been ap- pointed as the Secretary of Minca and (b) if so, whether Government have Heavy Engineering; and received the following allegations, namely (i) instead of using imported raw (b) whether he will continue to hold the materials, namely shoddy rags for the charge of the Department of Steel > also? supply of defence blankets, these firms im- ported terelene shirts, polyester fibre and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sold them to the various parties in Bombay and Calcutta at 500 to 600 per cent pre- MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES mium; (ii) they purchase blanket* trom. (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (u) and the open markets; (iii) these blankets did (b). There are two Secretaries in the not conform to defence specifications; (iv) within a week the blankets gave way and Ministry. Shri Wadud Khan is dealing many soldiers were attacked with Pneu- with work as Secretary broadly relating monia; to the subjects that will fall within the (c) if so, whether Government have ambit of the Holding Company including enquired into these allegations; and iron ore, coking coal and manganese. The (d) if so, a detailed statement on the same? rest of the work is dealt with by Shri H. C. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI Sarin including Steel distribution etc. He JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Orders were is for the present also looking after placed by the DGS&D on these two firms Bokaro. during 1971 as per details given below:— Name of Qty. the firm *. TWL5/J41 Aurthur Import] . • 50,000 Nos. dt. 8-1-71 Export Co. G Ri- 33*30 increased to 62,500 Ncs on 26-3-72. 50,000 Nos. increased a. TWL5/664 dt. 9-11-71 Shrce Krishna Woollen Mills, Bombay. to r,oo,ooo Nos.@>Rs. 37/ 13, 000 Nos. ®R«. *6oj- 3 TWLs/69* dt. 27-11-71 Shree Kri*hna Woollen Mills Bombay. 147 Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers 248 (b) to (d). Some of these allegations THE MINISTER OP STATE IN TIfB against the supplier firms are already MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES under investigation of the C Bl. The other allegations which W ve' Iseen men- (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN); tioned above in this question are also Yes, Sir. being referred to them. (b) As a result of investigations carried fadians Working at Headquarters of Inter- out so far by the Geological Survey of national Control Commissioner tor Indo- India in Bhilwara district of Rajasthan, Chtna 2 million tonnes of copper ore Export of Coal to Bangladesh f wm wrh ibtm* if tw 5380. SHRI P. M. MEHTA: K ' «t) .* (v) % («t ). SHRI P. GANGADEB: T tvrd ^ TTcf ^Trfr> % w *rfa *nfT Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleated to state: SPT jpm fa^R * f%3TT £ I wffT (a) whether Tndia is already in shortage Jjm^TT SFR^RT 3rd ^ of coal for Us internal use; and & 3ft v f ^ «wr?rf3PT w r (b) if so, the reasons for exporting the s o t % arr^ h *rfa^T srnft coal when we are already facing the shortage? »Tf «fV, 7T53T * F ^ R ^ rPT f f «ft I «TRrT *R*PR %% *T*3FST if fa tft THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STFEL AND MINES % *T *TR wtanlf i w w % 5 3 8 2 . « fl : 5RT ftnr « k STR tfsft ^ 5FTT% f-TT ^ f*WT *WT f% : 5381. :WT VNW ffa m m ^TcTT% FTT fa : (? p ) w qr tfrfoir qfa (sp) fTT sft^TTd % Trrt^r % 4*fsrr sfrw jt: % t o r WTFT VST w ^ ftWTOT | fa n ft % P# IJWW fw IRT I ; fs n rs ft f ^ r f r r ( * ) %t, eft m t o r * ffSTR $cTT ?ft #?*TR w f f r * r $ T fa «T5«ft % ^ *ifa*T STPft (*r) s * wrcSr t s j t ^Tpflr m m m ; t ? Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers 152 (sr) $r, i\ wr ftnfa vr (ar) *rfc $t, i t * r n f t % JTOTf*TT 9XVTT % v tf TfJr % 3fHT *FR«r | ; sftr •*?!$*$■ t ; *ftr (»r) ftrr t o t r ft vter ( r ) *rfc ^r, it mt w a r vfsrvifWf % «F«rr | ? W Ttft Vf % faft *rpfaf$ t ? f* nei *> w ;w «f * m H i f wr?» *fh: fTR *nrr*w ft t p > ifcft {«fy ffTJ?r«T5r Wt) : (*ft Sir^rarra «rt) : (* ) sft i ( (a) the number of awards, other than for gallantry, made during the period from 1TT?« V .ffflt W*ft *,’ ^ ’fT- 15th December. 1971 to 15th December, fvtitft iitit % «$ vt&fi 1972; and the criteria foi making these awards, € ( U m w i (b) the number of awards known as Mentioned-in-Despatches’ made during the 5383. *ft W«• * : WT TWW last lndo-Pak Conflict; 1JJT **V ^ 5TTT* fTTT ^ T f a : (c) whether this award is meant only {*) fsrr trrr^ vrfiinr *?r?r v*T*fy for performances during operation in the forward areas and that it is only displayed f5Tfrr?¥ ft IT r-TT^rft tffftfT ^T5TT as a bar to a campaign star; and «T5ff % wrf TVr *t cR$ ft VTft *ft TT3^T fa d s ft T^> I fa?T% firev (d) whether several officers were given this award who had been posted in the T * ? r % 22 tf*q[ w f f ft srarnr ifrfr forward areas and were neither entitled to % ftrarm | 7tpt *?ft ft **wSt wear nor did they have anythin® to do art*r vrrft «pt qrnwwr foir | ; with full operation? IJ3 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 154 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI during the period 15th December, 1971 to JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) the total nurn- 15th December, 1972, and the criteria for *ber of Vishisht Seva series of awards given these awards is as follows;— Name of Award Criteria No. of Awards Param Vishisht Seva Medal For distinguished service of the most ex- ceptional o r d e r ...... 6o Ati Vishisht Seva Medal For dis tinguished service of an excep- tional orders j * . .... 165 Vishisht Seva Medal For distinguished service of a high order 341 T o t a l . . 56® In addition to this, the following num- * *WRT *JTT VtaWI ber of awards of Sena/Nao Sena/Vayu f W VI f w r SfPTT Sena, have been given These awards are given for such individual acts of excep- tional devotion to duty or courage as 5385. W W W : have special significance for the Service f!TT W R Jfjfr q f ScTT^ f t ■confined. fTTT fZ*i f f *. (Wt) r r m p t ir srftn^r fsr% % Sena Medal 599 f t * jtt *rrT?rr m * m s m*t Nao Sena Medal 106 f r * % w r sfrrror t ; Vayu Sena Medal 98 ( s ) wtt 7 7 RT q r* *? ‘*fTT?r n z ' ^ vtorcT fa r m * (b) 1565. ft v tf «rf , «ftr (c) Award of Mention-in*Despatches is (*r) w t m m t t o w w given for distinguished and meritorious service and acts of gallantry in operational 3r ^'rsFTT farrr v* rpt: areas which are not of a sufficiently high ?T*TT^ % *t* % O T WTWTX irrr ■order to warrant the grant of gallantry srrcTftcT sftrarr «rfr *rar Tft «ft *ftr *rfs awards. The awardees are granted an emb- ft, m forr f i t fajfa fa* mm f t lem (a lotus leaf in bronze) which can be worn on the ribbon of a campaign star. fr*TTccT % fJTT ^FITir f ? If no campaign star has been instituted, it can atOl be worn in the prescribed man- f wrw rift m * i m m % t i w m ti ner. (tft «T?^(Tt w t) : ( * ) ^RT: & 37 WHIT TK ?RT ^TR *R fl^X W % «mr>T w m % Ttf ^ wwrRnrr | ; *ffa * m *r* **rc»r * r »rf «fr t (sr) *rfe Jffr, eft ^ w t t o (w ) 3ft |t , si* a r t srciS I ? «ft »tt*§ 3?r ^rsffarT t o r «rarr TFfTo *r«nwr «nrnt^ c^Rtvnr w t o 3r%77 3 gtff I? fanfar % fat* ?wt t »pf«®far fft s 5386. *ft fN nror Crfora : w r nvq n^,- ?f trM f «pt * n w in I frnr fw w r *n*nr$fr tr? «raT?r qft ? *tqrra fft? t o t o t $r t t t u irtf (t ) ^ it ^ t r * sft^ (*ft Wt) : SFT'rT »anr i \ | ; st t & sfhr ?w t 5387. *ft » rn m « ri r f m : w i *rt | ? i w w W>T w m lUffr WIT% f ) *WT f N l f IWW # ? * *f ®f?rsr f?iw fsr^?r w fw J® flM ft 3 f $*;«* *ft * l4 * J t w w ii ^ % f^r ^rar ffV ^ I j y Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Ar wen 158 FUftRT f a f f TOT t * W *PTST PWM f t * *t« gruffsr JT© ^ fsfftnr wrfff 7x *pr*f qjrafarar fiprr «r*rr 1 wif*w tfrt spjpr wtm (tf ) WT «^V 35cTT 1 «nj p r «p^ % fa* vrf^r 5 *1 w fa r $ , snifiwmf foafm wx Chinese Aid to Pakistan 1 w f^r *r ^ tot p n *r$f I fr fw r sro to *** tfr 5390 SHRI M M. JOSEPH WiU the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be f^HTT *flrf f%»TT W ffa OT pleased to state: tr®*r % f t f w srf^R ^*fv^«sfiar st f N t- (a) wh v tr Government are aware of qrot % fnrwr ^ tfnwramf w the Chinese aid to Pakfrtan to help it in a t o *ft «jr^r big way in executing several projects there; *RW SmWRTT | and (b) if so, the particulars thereof and the reaction of Government thereto’ % f w *m% % faq w f *#t fircr n^r H n w f THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) 5389. «ft tffara : w r and (b). Yes, Sir. The Government are fWTCT «fa « R ^ 3RTT% *t $71 aware that China has been giving econo- mic assistance to Pakistan in several pro- f r : jects. Chinese economic assistance to Pakistan is a matter of bilateral concern ( * ) t o srfcr 3* w f % *mr between the two countries. *rr | ftp ? *Pt gtfesra- % Uniformity in Sainlk School Scfcolanfafr fafc s r t^ % fa q ^ [ *rf *r Schemas of Defence and Home Ministries 30 farcrnn: ?n> *ft° «ft<» *fto ?roNr ftSf *Pt f 9WT f ^ sWKn WRRIT 5891. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 500 * m r ^ %rf«pfr % fw*t | ; refer to the replies given to Unstarred Question Nos. 3297 dated 28th June, and No. 2846 on the 28th June 1971; and 14th April, 1972 respectively and stale the action taken by Government for re- moval of disparities between the Defence ( ^ ) *pt t €Ir t % f W f?n% t o Ministry Scholarship Scheme and Hie ^ *t for <%s ^nrf % Home Ministry Scholarship Scheme for Sainik School Scholarships? fwq ytf m»?gvry firgrer yqrt f ? THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): The pro- posal has been examined and it has been # w w Seheg*e to remove., disparities between this Shortage of Iron ore at Bofcao Steel fgprt scheme and the Home Ministry Scholar- ship Scheme for Sainik Schools fer the 5313. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL following reasons:— REDDY: Wfll the M aster of S H H . (1) The Defence Ministry Scholar- AND MINES be pleased to state: ship Scheme provides for half 0 scholarships to persons in income (a) whether the production f stMt Hi group Rs. 600-1199. the Bofcaro Steel Plant is affected due to shortage of iron ore; and (2) In respect of persons in the lower income group, the Defence Min- (b) if so, the steps Government hafte istry Scholarship Scheme pro- taken to remedy the jtoiation? vides for extra benefits like TA a«d pocket mosey. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN T£E The Home Ministry Scholarship MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES Scheme is now administered by the res- (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) pective Union Territory Administrations Production of steel has not yet started in including those which have recently the Bokaro Steel Plant Pig Iron produc- attained Statehood. The question of tion which commenced on 3rd October* modifying the Home Ministry Scholarship 1972, has not been affected by any shor- Sqfcfipe to bring it on par with the De- tage of iron ore. feats Ministry aabww is being taken up w i$ tfte concerned {Union Territory Ad- m ini«tr«tm iv/«tahn ,b) Does not arise. y w Jfr JftKflfen M N m r # D e w * wrara sw^wff ^5 # i « nit 5392. SHW JRAGHUNANDAN LAL BHATIA- Will the Minister of EXTER w ft m i iT O f w m f NAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: <<») whether the Foreign Minister of 5394. few mx vtm : Denmark paid a visit to 5ndia recently; w n w w x fftr m wcm? and. (b) jf so, the matters discussed with f*F I him and the contusions arrived at? THE DEPUTY MINISSTER IN THE (v ) m\ fifR wtmx % iwtar MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 1 t n (SHRI SURBNDRA PAL SINGH): (a; r H w in ?T«n if t a fanfar Yea, Sir. The Foreign Minister of Den- ^ lm T < n % es 5 1 f fafro ftrafa vw f mark, His Excellency Mar. K. B. Andersen, paid an official visit «o India f a f t til ^ from 29th November to 5& December, mi. xf\x wwt f t w am trnm J^RSTT w ; (b) Discussions between the Foreign M^pnter qf Denmark and Minister for Eternal Affafcs coveijed # vide range M ( « ) n m % % *mm % Wftfeqtp. They reviewed the intentional situation m# considered *«ays of m^rea*- w v h tm m fWRr *wrrf Q m m r t f x m ow bflaterri cooperation. The *ijci wm revealed a tfmilarity «f approach 49 the various «mttw diaonmdL f i r ? 161 Written Answers AGRAKyVYANA 30, 1894 {SAKA) Written Answers 162 t w w mw if (b) if so, the particulars of the steps taken so far9 («ft * t ) : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE qw r qrx t « MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES fiW \ (.SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) No. Sir Setting up of a Lead Plant in Orissa 5395. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- (b) Does not arise. GRAHI; Will the Minister of STEEL Grant of Loan By Bata Shoe Company AND MINES be pleased to state: Private Limited to a Firm (a) whether work has started for the setting up of the Lead Plant at StwgipaUio 5397 SHRI S N. MISHRA- Will the in Sundargarh in Orissa; if so, the amount Minster of LABOUR AND REHABILI- of money estimated to be invested in thft TATION be pleased to state* project; (a) whether the Bata Shoe Company (b) whether the proposed company for Private Limited Calcutta have granted, this Project has been formed by now; out of its employees' Gratuity Fund, a huge loan of Rs 22 lakhs to one Cachar (c) if so whether he would place the Plywood Limited against its properties in document forming the company on the Table of the Sabha. and Calcutta valued at Rs. 55,000 only; (d) the time by which the preliminary (b) whether one Income-tax Officer of work of creating the plant will actually Commissioner of Income-Tax (Central commence? Circle) Calcutta had requested the lend- THE MINISTFR OF STATE IN THE ing company not to do so; and MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (c) if so, the steps being contemplated (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) to against the lending company for misuse (d) Hindustan Zinc Ltd. has fcen en- and wrongful investment of employees trusted with the preparation of feasibility project report for exploitation of the Sar- fund? gipalli lead deposits including dctmnina- THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND , tion of the economics of setting up of the REHABILITATION (SHRI R K smelter The intention at present is to set KHADTLKAR)- (a) to (c) The infor- up a new company to be owned jointly by mation rs being collected It will be lail the Central and Orissa Governments for on the Table of the Sabha is due course. the actual exploitation of the ores and extraction of lead meiai Alleged Misuse of Steel Allotted to Aasam Details of Jtotal investment, time re- Sugar Mills Ltd. quired for compictini (he frcliir inary work and commencement of production 5398, SHRI S N. MISHRA* Will the etc will be availably after the feasibility/ Minister of STEEL AND MINES be jppject report has been prepared. pleased to state* Setting op a Steel Plant at Nayagarb in (a) whether the Assam Sugar Mills Orissa Ltd Cachar. Assam was granted huge steel quota for the establishment of Hie 3396. SRRI CHINTAMANI PANI- factory; •#RAHI: Will the Minister of STEEL J$ft> MINES bo pleased to state; (b) if so, whether the factory has at alt (a) whether Government have by nowbeen established; taken any decision for starting prelimte- , *nHwwk lor setting up the second steel (c) if not, why it is not done and how Plant in the Najngafh ares la Orissa; and the disposal of steels was done; and 163 Written Answers DECEMBER 21, 1972 Written Answers 164 (d) whether the promoter applicant was q’far stf % srfw % solely interested to dispose of the same over premium? u W f a T f t , THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ( s ) w m s i x w | ft? MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN); (a) to (d) Information is being collected and ?flrsRrr farera f%*rr ?ft will be laid on the Table of the House. w ?n>; Monographs Brought oat by (he Ministry (n ) VTTTTCWPT# fFtanW f 5399. SHRI Y. S. MAHAJAN: Will % % WRrfhps f t the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be t o r % m srfatffa f pleased to state the names of monographs $r, cit sspflr THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE *w sftr 3*wrfar «r?ft («fir wre© MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): Infer- in f a w i) . (*?) % (*r). w w ft xnation is being collected and will be laid tsptrfwer f t m ^ | STM on the Table of the House. Monographs on the Working of the Ministry 5400. SHRI Y. S. MAHAJAN: Will Promotion and Fixation of Seniority of the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- Grade HI Stenographers BILITATION be pleased to state the names of monographs connected with the 5402. SHRI P. M. SAYEED: Will the working of the Ministry and which are of Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be interest to general public, brought out by pleased to state: the Ministry during the last three yean? (a) whether his Ministry have issued THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND orden regarding promotion and fixation REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. of seniority of Grade III Stenographer* KHADILKAR): The required informa- vide Gazette Notification No 44-GA/71 tion is being collected and will be laid on dated the 19th March, 1971 giving retros- the Table of the Sabha in due course. pective effect; (b) whether some representations have ywfer fw r wfirifa TO ff* been received from the employees of the Ministry in thi9 regard; (c) whether some persons among the 5401. vrm : m Grade m Stenographers sub-cadre have *n? ifhr f t f^T been adversely affected by the proat«Iga> tion of the orden from retrospective date; and ( * ) % ssifcr rm % frafor (d) ^ action by Government e* 1 f*TOPF ?f $0* f*F5T% the «aid representations? T IjS5 Situa tion in Assam AGRAHAYANA 30. 1894 (SAKA) Situaiidh in Asssam [Shri Samar Guha] I expressed my surprise. I had expected deuce. This time, the situation turned the Home Minister to give us at least not only ugly but surpassed all measure some information about the ulgy and of atrocities and barbarities that were com* tragic happenings that overtook Assam mitted against not only the Bengalis, but during the last two or three months, but the Biharis, the Marwaris in succession he has suppressed that. I do not want and at different times. to say any Ain g on that. I only want to say that while winding up the debate the SHRI TARUN GOGOI (Jorhat) Can other day, Shri F. H. Mohsin had said he dte any examples? He is making a on the floor of the House that all that false statement in the House. had been said on the floor of the House about this matter was exaggerated. I say SHRI D. BASUMATARI (Kokrajhar)- that that is absolutely wrong. Even a It is a wrong statement. fraction of the incidents that had happened in Assam has not been brought to light. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY I had said also on the earlier occasion that (Cooch-Behar): We have read it in the the national press had completely blacked newspapers. Otherwise, why were they out the happenings and the incidents in creating trouble? (Interruptions). Assam. Our friends from the south were so much agitated about what the MR. SPEAKER: May I request the happening in U.P. where there were just hon. Members not to interrupt Shri one or two or three cases and they safci Samar Guha? that 18 persons had been killed. But that SHRI TARUN GOGOI: Why should he is absolutely wrong- At least a few refer to M&rwaris and^ other communities? hundreds of persons have been killed. (Interruptions). 35,000 people have become refugees. Not hundreds, but a few thousands of houses, SHRI S. A. SHAMIM (Srinagar): He have been burnt there. The situation is must state his case first I^et the hon. not normal in the sense that the threat, Member have some patience, because he intimidation and the boycott of the minori- belongs to the ruling party. ties is still going on. The situation is Mill SHRI SAMAR GUHA; It is not neces- tense, and normal condition has not been sary for me to draw the attention of the restored there. So, I want to know from hon. Member who is interrupting to what the hon. Minister the measures that have happened in 1968 when the Home Minis- been taken. I only want to warn the Gov- ter, Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan last visited ernment that if this theory of the ‘sons Of Assam and instituted an inquiry. At that the soil' is allowed to subvert our con- time, against whom was the riot? I do cept of national integration and our con- not want to go into all that now. It cept of living together, it will set in is also known that there are innumerable motion a process of chain reaction, not Biharis working in the tea gardens and only in Assam but in other parts of the others. They were also subjected to country, and perhaps it may lead to a blood great suffering in the 'Bihari Khedda’ bath all over the country. which was there; similarly, thp ‘Bengali Khedda' and ‘Marwari Khedda* move- ments were there I do not want to go into that situation today My whole ob- If the ‘sons of the soil’ theory is allow- ject is not to create an exciting situ- ed to be raised, then what will happen in ation but to deal with the problem, I sub- West Bengal? About IS per cent Of the mit that we have to look into the pio- population in West Bengal are not Bengalis. blem from the national perspective. 75 per cent of the working population in the metropolitan or industrial anas, in The issue in Assam is not one of the coalfields and in the tea-gardens are Bengalis versus Assamese. It is a not from Bengal. 80 per cent of the national issue. That was the reason why trade and big business and big industries IBq Situation in Assam AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Situation in A&ssam 170 ICA) (CA) is held not by Bengalis but by non- above all, among the linguistic minori- Bengalis. la Calcutta, the biggest man- ties. will be launched in Assam. Second- sions are not being held by the Bengalis. ly, whether a peace and friendship com- But we have never raised this question. mittees will be set up in all educational Hus question was never raised. Even institutions and in the riot-affected areas; after the linguistic reorganisation of the thudly, all-party committees should be States, no State in India is unilingual. formed for campaigning for peace and ThiDrefore, this prefolem will remain. If normalcy through public meetings and this sons of the soil theory is allowed to other forums of mates media; fourthly, stl&Vert the concept of national integra- whether the arrested minorities will be tion, the concept of living together, the released immediately and the arrest war- co&cfcpt of unity in diversity, then, as I rants against them withdrawn. Fifthly, haVe said, and I repeat, it will start the whether all the suspended and transferred process of chahl reaction and ultimately a officers belonging to the minority com- bftttdbath in the whble country. There- munities will be restored to their former forb, the Covernment should be fore- positions. Sixthly, whether expeditious wttfiied. steps will be taken for rehabilitating all the victims and adequate compensation It was a shocking statement made the paid to them and whether proper steps aftffcr day by Mr. Mohsin in winding up will be taken for the resumption of norfoal th# discussion on the report of the Com- trade, business and other avocations of nfl&ioiier for Linguistic Minorities. He the minorities and whether stem measures s&lS that the Bengalis would tty to get will be taken against those Who are still ttiftfisfelves assimilated into the Assamese. instigating economic boycott of the minori- Wftfct a horrible, dkngerous theory? It is ties. a itfeory of annihilation of the linguistic MR. SPEAKER; Only one question. mHtritities, annihilation of thfe minorities The “whethers” are so many. by the majority. It is a theory of cul- tural genocide. Only Hitler practised it. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: The Minister li all thje xnbre shocked at his state- said that he has taken certain measures. metft because the Prime Minister was sftt- These issues are very important. Please iti^’ tfy his side but she did not intervene. be merciful to us. Eight, whether the Atittut this theory o£ the assimilation of AIR Officers who indulged in vicious the riiinorities by the majority, today, it is language propaganda in the local news lhfftusdc, but tomorrow it may be de- bulletins will be immediately transferred n&Jided that there should be an assimil- from the Gauhati station; nine, whether atfcih of the religious minorities by the an ordinance will be promulgated against rdfigiOUs majority. communal writings and publications of news in local or outside newspapers and 1* want to know from the hon. Minister the printing of communally instigating thfs thing. Th,e immediate task is to things by the printing press. Ten, whe- restore the law and order situation to ther all officers who directly participated ndrmal, to restore normalcy there. The in the riots will be arrested and those who hori. Minister said that certain measures abetted the riots will be suspended and havfe been taken for the immediate refctor- all the rioters will be hauled up, if need aUdrt of the normal law and order situ- be, by applying the MISA. Eleven.— ation there. I want to know from the (Interruption). The lion. Mu 1 er '•aiu hon. Minister whether the Government that adequate measures are being taken. I have taken th,e following measures or want to know whether these measures will Whether the Government will take the be taken. It is a constructive suggestion. following measures. Firstly, whether the Eleven, whether, a delegation of Assam powerful radio and press propaganda and leaders including student leaders will be ptihlied posters including the appeal of the sent to Calcutta, Cachar and other areas Wime Minister for peace and amity, to get back the Bengali students to their 171 Situation in Assam (CA) DECEMBER 21, 1972 Situation in Assam (CA) 172 TShri Samar Guha] of the Bengalis there, whether the status homeland. Then, whether a student com- quo ante will be maintained? Will the mittee will be formed in each educational Education Ministry evolve a national for- institution for safeguarding the minority mula for introduction of the regional students and stopping the threat and inti- language for education in the university midation against them. level? MR SPEAKER: Every day, I invite Lastly, he has stated that a commis- your attention that the rule provides for sion of enquiry has been instituted to only one question, go into the incidents resulting in the SHRI SAMAR GUHA: These are not death of two students? It is a travesty separate questions. of justice. There have been hundreds of people who died, who were killed and MR. SPEAKER: You are numbering murdered. What about those minorities, them. You have gone up to 11. not only hundreds but thousands who were victims of the riot, killing, murder, SHRI SAMAR GUHA: This is tragic. loot and arson, would a judicial enquiry SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): be instituted into that also? This is not Calling Attention; this is all in attention. Lastly, I want to warn the Government. Shri Saral Sinha the Chief Minister had SHRI SAMAR GUHA: In view of the made a statement on the 12th. He said fact that the present administrative set- a political group as also foreign agents up has virtually collapsed or acted in a played a major role in the riots in Assam. partisan manner, is the Central Govern- It is the Pak-collaborators who were op- ment going to set up a cell of the Home posed to the Bangla Desh movement who Ministry and also strengthen the CRP took a major part in this. About eighty force there with a view to assist the ad- per cent of the violent activities were ministration there? done by them. A dangerous design is still being hatched there, to subvert In this House almost unanimously a Bangla Desh elections and create a com- view was expressed tint a parliamentary munal atmosphere there. Unless Govern- delegation should be sent to Assam. The ment took precautionary measures, there reason was not to reprimand or admo- will be more communal riots and attempts nish the people of Assam but to create to subvert the Bangla Desh elections and a sense of amity and understanding and compromise the position of Sheikh Mujibur peace and harmony among all the people Rahman. Unless Government takes note of Assam and also to explain to them of the hand of Pak. collaborators in this the implications of national integration Assam riot, unless the Governments goes and also how the people of Assam could in depth, a serious situation will develop live together___ not only in regard to the security of the country but also in regard to the secu- MR. SPEAKER: You are stretching it larisation that is being accepted by our too far; please conclude___ (Interrup neighbour State where election is going tions) to be held and the Pak collaborators, communal collaborators will try to sub- SHRI SAMAR GUHA: I want to know vert not only our base of secularism but from the hon. Minister: what steps are also try to vitiate the whole election at- the Government going to take for the mosphere in Bangla Desh by creating such solution of the language problem and troubles. whether the Shastri formula adopted in 1960 is going to followed by the Govern- Finally, a Parliamentary delegation ment of Assam and whether they are go- should be sent to Assam and a judicial ing to stop the crusade of Assamisation enquiry should also be instituted to go 1 y* Situation in Assam AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) S ituation in Asssam 174 (CA) I CA) into the whole thing, including the role obvious that minorities exist all over the played by Pak. collaborators in the last country. There are linguistic minorities Assam riots. in every State and the approach of the Government has always been and is SHRI K. C. PANT: My hon. friend to allow the minorities to develop accord- asked me about the situation there now ing to their likes within the framework and asked why 1 did not deal with all of the law of the land and also them to the incidents in the past couple of months develop their personalities and their own in detail. The main reason is: because way of life and create an atmosphere in the situation there has stabilised and in which every group of minorities feels the last few weeks there have been no perfectly secure and able to develop ac- incidents of violence, any reference to cording to its own likes within the frame- the earlier incidents may not have been work of loyalty to the whole country and conducive to consolidating the fores of working to develop the country as a peace which certainly are working in whole. These again are basic concepts Assam today. That is why I made no which really do not need repetition, ex- reference to the earlier incidents. I think cept that any reference to the contrary in the questions that are put if care is creates a wrong impression. Majorities taken to avoid putting them in a maimer and minorities in every State have a res- which will rub anybody the wrong way ponsibility in the matter. The majority in Assam or Cachar, that will itself help has to create confidence in the minority in this process of normalisation that is and the minority also has to behave in a taking place. manner that the majority feels that the minority is cooperating with it in the I have said that the situation has stabi- development of both the majority and lised and there have been no incidents of the minority in the State. Ibis kind of violence in the last few weeks. But it feeling is necessary. We have to see is a fact that apprehension still lurks in whether it is Assam or other areas, this the minds of many among the minorities problem is tackled in this manner. and it is necessary to see that steps are taken to remove these suspicions and fears. It is for this purpose that the He asked me about the language issue State Government also has taken and is in particular. This issue arose because taking various steps. My friend asked English is being relegated to the back- ground and the regional language is be- me for specific answers to specific ques- tions and I will beg your indulgence to ing brought forward. This is not pecu- give me some time to answer many of liar to Asisam. It can happen in other the points he has raised, because it is places also. As regional languages come better the House knows what is being into their own at the primary stage and done to tackle the situation. I entirely the secondary stage and then at the agree that this is a national question and college stage and English goes, this sort there can be no two opinions on the fact of problem can arise in other States also. Therefore, we should not take only an that every part of India belongs to all Assam view of the problem. We should Indians. This is basic, fundamental and look at it from a wider angle,, understand axiomatic and does not need to be repeat- the repercussions and implications and ed. The concept of unity in diversity and then find a proper solution. fhe concept of Jiving together are the very fundamentals of our unity. So, there can be no disagreement on this score and He made some concrete suggestions I think nobody in this House including about peace committees in different areas. members from Assam will disagree with Peace and friendship committees are wel- what Prof. Guha has said. My colleague, come. Some of the places I visited had Mr. Mohsin, made a statement here which such peace committees. In Dibrugarh I appears to have been misunderstood. He met members of the peace committee, made it in a certain context, but it is who had been doing good work and who 175 Suuation in Assam (CA) DECEMfefik 21. 1972 Situation in Assam (CA) 17 > [Shri K. C. Pant] As for the officials, as I have already took me round to see some of the Houses indicated, there were rompiaints about w^jich had been destroyed during the the behaviour of certain officials. While riots. The local Youth Congress Presi- I was there, the Chief Minister told me dent, who I think was an Assamese as far he had decided to appoint a high-powered a$ 1 remember, had taken it upon him- administrative committee to enquire into s$Jf to give every help to the Bengalis to the allegations of lapses by the admiQi* reconstruct their houses. I found a great trative machinery and to enquire whether deal of goodwill among the people in adequate steps had been taken by them that particular locality. Of course, all- or not. This is a positive steps taken pafty committee for peace are most wel- by the Assam Government in response come. I am sure same elements in all to questions raised about the functioning parties do want to see there is peace of the administrative machinery. and they are working in their own way About rehabilitation, I do not want to towards that end. But if( a committee go into details. Various measures haVe can also be formed, I would have no ob- bqpn taken to rehabilitate the persdns jection to it affected by the riots. Gratitous relief has been given. Rehabilitation assistance lute A!*>ut the question of releasing the faeen ^iven. 26 relfef canips wete opeh&J minorities, £ wish he would put forward in which 11,000 Bengali refugees live*!. a,,plea to release all those who could be The reconstruction of affected hduses released and who were not engaged in has been expedited ill many c&ste. vioicnt activities. Here, 1 have told him about the Youth SHRI SAMAR GUHA; Minorities from Congress President in Dibrtigarh taking 80 per cent of the people arrested. Pro- dp the matter in hid hands. I am hkppy fessors, lawyers and others have been to tell the House that in MOirabari where arrested. It does not happen in other a number of houses were burnt, the local places. Minorities are the victims. MLA persuaded the local people of that region to contribute money, to contribute bamboos, to contribute building material SHRI K. C. PANT: There ale 200 and their labour to construct the houses persons in jail in connection with specific m f cases. Of them 84 are Bengalis and 50 whidi had beat butt. IMi b good news. I found a Very good atm&- have been arrested in connection with phere prevailing in the region in spite of the murder of Anil Bora. So, it is not the earlier incidents. I think, we should correct to say that most of the arrested take note of these positive features also. persons belong to the minority community. But I am not looking at it community- The State Government has already wise. I wish he had appealed for all. sanctioned R<> 7,33,900 for relief and (Interruption). Sir, this cannot be rehabilitation. E xtra tut /grant to 13 be- reduced to a dialogue between us. reaved families has been made at the rate of Rs. 1000 per family and, in 8 MR. SPEAKER: He has taken such a otter cases, ,ex-gratia grant has been lot of time and he also interrupts in made at the rate of Rs. 500 per family. between. Mr. Minister, you kindly ad- It was said that MISA should be used to (Interruption). dress me, not him. detain people. MISA has been used and 88 persons have been detained under it. SHRI K. C. PANT: When I say this, I am not saying that if any Bengali has SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA been jailed, he should not be released, if (Begusarai): Sir, I quite recognise that he can be released. It is for the State the scope of the Calling Attention is Government to look into it I am only limited by two factors, firstly, that the saying that majority or minority com- discussion on the subject has taken place munity should not be brought in here. earlier and much of the ground had been 177 Situa tion in Assam AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Situation in Asssam 178 (CA) (CA) covered already and, secondly, that the Now, what is the way of 'doing it? If process of normalisation is under way and this process goes on, if tb discontent that we should try in all possible ways continues and troubles erupt from time to to help this process. time, we may have the bad spectacle in future which had better be not described The first question that arises in my just now. mind is this: taking note of the improve- ment in the situation, we feel satisfied So, my submission would oc that no doubt to some extent but whether this Government must find a solution, a normalisation, has been set in motion by permanent solution of this problem. any initiative of the Government or What is the way of doing it? Two sugges- whether it is due to the realisation on tions have occurred to me. I am not mak- the part of the people that the state of ing these suggestions in a spirit of making fewer in Assam must end? My submis- a speech on this occasion but incidentally sion is that this is not the result of any asking some questions and whether the initiative either on the part of the Central Government would take some steps in Government or the State Government. the required direction. We did not find any evidence of any The office of the Commissioner for initiative on the part of the Central Gov- Linguistic Minorities must be strengthened ernment earlier in this regard except that in a way as to be helpful on such occa- the other day the Minister of State in sions and be able to give advance intel- the Ministry of Home Affairs paid a visit ligence to the Government so that action to some of these areas. may be taken in time. Secondly, there must be a round table of all elements in The second thing that occurs to me is Assam to thrash out this pioblem and that although there had been an oppor- find out a permanent solution. Is the tunity offered to the Central Government Government thinking in terms of having earlier during the course of debate on a round table of all elements in Assam? linguistic minorities, the Government did That is the question which T would like not utilise to provide a healing touch to to ask. the people of Assam. The Deputy Miar A suggestion has been made about a ister in the Ministry of Home Affairs parliamentary delegation being sent from dutifully read out a draft prepared by here. We have bee® making this sugges- the Cabinet. But the Prime Minister who tion but the Government seems to bo happened to be present on that occasion under the impression that such a delega- did not think it fit to speak even a few tion, instead of helping the process of words which could hj\e provided a heal- normalisation, might accentuate the ing touch to the people of Assam. In problems there. Here, with all deference fact, so far, we did not find any authori- to the Government, I would like to submit tative statement coming from the highest that this is a very unfounded apprehen- quarters, although the situation had been sion on their part. The Members of of the gravest nature, to pacify the people Parliament must be credited with at least in that area. some sense of responsibility anftl construc- tive spirit and if they go there—it is my We have to take into account the fact humble opinion—they would be able to that Assam has suffered from these trou- pacify the people there more than any bles in the past too a number of times. effort that may be made by the Central What is the way of ending these troubles? Government. So, would not the Gov- Certain parti of Assam have gone off ernment accede to the request of the from Assam . Assam is now a badly Opposition—and I think that seems to be truncated State. There must be a realis** the unanimous view of the Opposition— t»on on the part of all elements in Assam that a parliamentary delegation should be that they have to keep the State together sent to Assam? The same was also sug- in order to have a viable entity. gested by no less a person than Shri 179 Situation in Assam (CA) DECEMBER 21. 1972 Sitti"tibn in Awam (CA) i 80 [Shri Shyamnandan Mishra] various people and helped in the norma* Profulla Chandra Sen who wanted to lisdtion of the situation, and the Primo go there with a, batch of Satyagrahis to Minister has been continuously meeting pacify the people. He also seem-, to think delegations from Assam, including Cachar, that it would be good if the Government an’d besides, when she went to Shillong. agrees to send a delegation of this House. I think—was it NEFA or on her way back?—she again met at the airport peo- Lastly, the question that arises is the ple from that region. She has been not one in the context of the measures for only in close touch but has been actively rehabilitation—whether the measures that helping this process of normalisation all have already been taken are adequate along. Therefore, it would not be right enough. The Government has not given to say that the Centre has not taken any us any account of the people involved and initiative. The State Government was cer- the number of relief camps opened. tainly most deeply concerned about the Therefore, we are not in a position to agitation when it arose and the decision of say whether the measures taken by the the State Government to reconsider the Government are adequate for the purpose Assembly Resolution actually enabled the .of rehabilitation. agitation to be called off. They were cer- tainly groping with the situation and have Lastly, if it appears to the State Gov- been trying to take such initiative as they ernment that the administration there has thought desirable to bring the situation to failed signally—although an inquiry is normal. now going to be made, but it is obvious to everybody that the administration there About the point of Assam being kept has failed signally—would the State intact, I entirely agree with my friend (Government also think in terms of mak- that Assam should be tepi intact and we ing some radical changes in the adminis- should find a solution to this problem, trative set up there so that the linguistic because, this is not something peculiar to tininorities have a greater assurance of the Assam only. Linguistic minorities exist protection and safeguards that are en- in other States also. We should not be de- shrined in the Constitution? feated by this problem of linguistic mino- SHRI K. C. PANT; I do not know rities but we shout'd find a way to satisfy the aspirations of the majority community whether it would be right to say that an for the regional language and also at the initiative was taken by the Assam Gov- ernment. same time give adequate safeguards to the minorities and their language. This is the ■SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: essence of the problem. A solution has By both Central and Assam Governments. got to be found not only in the interest of Assam, but in the interest of all States of SHRI K. C. PANT; • • or the Central the country. Government in the matter prior to my visit to Assam and Cachar. Actually, if SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: the series of inci'dents is traced back to Are you thinking of a kind of solution a few months, it can be traced back which will be available to all the linguistic longer. You can go back into the past minorities in the country—of an All- incidents, etc. But I think the immediate India pattern? agitation started on 5th October, the SHRI K. C. PANT: We «ill havr tu Assam Bandh, after im, Sur erne Ccurt certainly keep in mind and so far as the had accepted one of the writ petitions. Assam Government is concerned, we will Now, without going into all that, I advise them to keep in mind the fact that would only like to point out that my any solution found here is bound to have colleague, Mirdhaji, went with Shri an impact on the other areas also, and Fakhruddifi Ali Ahmed to Assam and met this aspect will have to be kept in mind. 181 Situation in Assam AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Situation in Asssam 182 (CA) (CA) Now, as regards the strengthening of SHRI SHYAMANANDAN MISHRA: the office of the Commissioner for Are the measures adequate? Linguistic Minorities, I have made a note of the suggestion. Regarding advance SHRI K. C. PANT: I myself visited information, this is not relevant m this the locality where th ’ e houses ►la'l Ken case, because advance information was burnt or there were other complaints; to available. The first Resolution of the the extent t could within the span of Academic Council was in January, 1970. two days 1 visited those places and met The second one was in February, 1970 some of these people. Wherever anybody and the third one was in June, 1970 and wanted to meet me separately, I also met then that Resolution was changed. So, it them separately. is a long process which has led up to a certain situation, not for lack of advance Therefore, I told the press that there information, but because of certain pres- are still allegations about incidents of sures, a new situation developed. Regard- intimidation. All this I came to know and ing the question of round-table confe- I said it quite frankly. But at the same lcnce, the Chief Minister told me that he time, I found that the atmosphere there is going to discuss this matter with Cachar was good. I found the local people help- leaders,—I did not ask him over the ing m the process of rehabilitation and shape of the table, I don’t think that is I made a note of this point also. There relevant also But he does intend to may be some elements who are still bent discuss this with Cachar leaders. In upon making mischief, but there are a democratic functioning, naturally, solution very large number of persons in Assam of this problem will have to be found who want normally to return and who through talks and discussions and I also are actively working for it. promised the Chief Minister that if the good offices of the Centre were recruited SHRI A. K. GOPALAN (Palghat): It in the matter, they would always be is reported in the press that the Chief available. Minister of Assam while addressing a pub- lic meeting on December 3 and 4 declar- On the question of Parliamentary delega- ed that the Assam Government ha'd already tion, there is no reflection on the Parlia- decided to introduce Assamese as the' ment Members in any way, but if there medium of instruction through legislation is perhaps a certain amount of hesitation without any round table conference and about the Parliamentary delegation, it is would introduce Assamese in non-Assamese only because, perhaps, at this particular schools. The Chief Minister of Assam, moment, it may not be of that much help Shri Sinha, reiterated on 6th December this when things are setting down. That is declaration of 11 November that the the only reason. Otherwise, Sir, there is Assamese language would be made the no question of doubting either the motives sole medium in the whole of Assam State, or the effectiveness of Parliament Mem- English, being allowed for the transition- bers. period of ten years as an alternate medium. He also announced that his Government I have already referred to the relief would introduce Assamese as a compulsory measures that have already been under- subject in all the secondary schools in the taken. I do not think: it is necessary for State from next January. It is this un- me to go into those details once again. democratic policy of denying linguistic I can give you the number of houses burnt, minorities their fundamental right to get just to give an idea. 2023 houses, to be education in their own mother tongue that exact, were burnt during the period October is responsible for the unrest. There is also to December, of which, 1932 houses be- an attempt to impose Assamese on non- longed to Bengalis. Assamese minorities. This is proved also by the refusal to give adequate protection Now, Sir, I have given the details to the minorities, specially tbe Bengali- already— speaking minority in the Brahmaputra l $3 Situat ion m Assam (CA ) DECEMBER 21f J972 Situation in Assam (CA) 184 IShri A. K. Gpp^lan] 'directly concerned ,to thrash out the prob- Valley from the ravages of the reaction- lem, because ultimately the solution that ary vested interests who are fanning lin- they find must carry satisfaction to both guistic riots. sections It must be a solution which large sections of the population accept on There are also reports in the press—as both sides. I hope given goodwill, such a you have stated here—of destruction of solution can be found by the parties con- houses and killing; many have now be- cerned. If my good offices are needed, come refugees and are not given relief. they are always available. There is denial of protection. So far as the protection of the minorities So 1 want to know whether the Central is concerned, there is no quo 'k :i of "ne Government will asflt the State Govern- Centre asking Assam to protect the mino- ment of Assam to take necessary steps rities The Assam Government has been to protect the minorities. What specific doing its best to protect the minorities and measures are proposed to protect the it has taken various steps I have spelt minorities? I want further to know out various steps it has taken ! said whether Government will arrange to give just now that when 1 went to inose areas to the linguistic minorities the right to which were the scenes of certain incidents, get education in their own mother tongve there also I found that the minorities were at all levels and said that compulsory feeling fairly safe, feeling protected, ex- learning of Assamese in non-Assamese cept that because of stray incidents, there secondary schools is not enforced. Other was some apprehension and fear m their questions have been more or less answered. minds. This has to be taken note of not But I want to know this. He said there as an unsettling factor m the situation, but is no objection to sending a parliamentary as a factor which calls for continued vigi- delegation, when the time to send such lance and continued steps on the part of a delegation is ripe, to study the situation the Assam Government to see that these there. fears are also removed. SHRI K. C. PANT: I think he has SHRI A. K GOPALAN- I said that put some words in my mouth 1 never it is because declarations are made by the said that there was no objection to Chief Minister and the Home Minister that sending a parliamentary delegation and by January next the medium of instruction that I was prepared to indicate a date. will be in Assamese compulsorily enforced, But the suggestion has been made. I will that the situation gets aggravated and fear certainly discuss it with the Assam Gov- will be there in the minds of the minori- ernment. I merely said that the situation ties. there was returning to normalcy, has re- turned very largely to normalcy. There- SHRI DJNEN BHATTACHARYYA fore, this may not be a proper moment (Serampore): He has dearly evaded for that. But I can certainly discuss the that. suggestion he has made with the Assam SHRI K. C PANT: There is no cle- Government. verness in this. This is a situation far The question of medium of instruction too serious to permit of verbal cleverness. is the precise question which is causing agitation and counter-agitation in the Some friends in Cachar brought this to Valley and in Cachar. I have already my notice I talked to the Chief Minister said that the Assam Chief Minister told and the Home Minister in this matter. me that he proposes to discuss the issue The Home Minister showed me a paper of the medium with Cachar leaders in cutting of an Assam paper where he had order to find a solution to fhe problem. given a statement saying that his state- I think it would be proper for me at this ment had been distorted and, therefore, he stage not to go into the details of this was prepared to explain to the people con- matter, but to leave it to the two parties cerned what he really meant. The Chief ' £ Situation in Assam AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Situation in Asssam 186 (CA) (CA) Minister also said that he would be talk- ^t#r 3TT TOft, OT «TR it ing to Cachar friepds to remove this m f m apprehension in their minds. I think that ?nrrr vt ^rt t o t tfte is all we need go into at this stage so far ci> a? > «rra> a s this matter is concerned. »riFr # %arRf vft «r¥R ^ft g w s r # 3TFft ^snfp, fa?T OT «fRT «PT 'TclT 5PT fa 5TTT ^TT^cT^ % m m sft, mv opt sft x m % t c n^r % WT SRl’H' | ? ^fft St^’T f ^ f t «r, ^fhTrnr Sr ^rr ir *rf^r, WTWT SPT ftW R f t ^ R T ^ t *ft ^ *rr i OTft a*w w eft irnr w at tft g fro r tit m airnr i ot W ot gnrapsr ^ firif % shpt % % ^ r 5t r fftr snRRt-u^PT4r^iTT if 3ft f© t o tftr ^ tt, m ir TOIIW I I n ) if srft ^t?tt £ i sarr- tffam % 25 arc *f? *ft if *rr %i?t f f fpsr^V ^r??rr % faflt * f t if srt^ft ^ tfapjff | *rfa?r v m wv m % «t wr?r> |w t «nrff apt *rm qrr Ht arr?ft f i grt? yr srfor ferr 11 ir % enp ’^Tar «ft irarf«T5T— % ?r¥Fr snc STSRT 5ft, *Tff «tvM f % *T OTT ®TT—«T1T vT5VT, 1 5 ’FITW sr t w t fa sptt ^ *rrrft q ^ r v r v t vftt ^TRftr f eft WT% 3Ft ^Tfft vTRTT JTRJ»rqT, % ^ ft n W-PPTOT t I t fa *ta*rr 'T ^ f t *rrf^r, *rfar t«r- «rt n fk z «ftf?T % *f *T5 *m srr^r if mt tft *iftf srrafa | i fa ^t ^rr »rf, fa^r % si?t— OT aift s r r m v t i ^rfar ^ *ft OT STTcT WTt *w t ?rr^ ’rnr% ^ t ^rNr vrmzrv ^ to srtr ift srr?T *t | ? q-’eft OT ^TcT 9Ft ?affaTT t§ t | f a *m 'snr spot S w #t?rr | ^ it — W ft TT f^1 «IWT ?ft *rrcrc ttsjjt tf k * ro w r T^Ft «ft, fWT apr TTfsenr «fT, f^R vt if f w m f>^smrrt i lgsofcforc: ir?r^? gq, %far ^7?^ *r «4P3f ?RT fa?T% tft fCr, s«nt # ?ngt ftr, ?rr*ftTr «^ft if wtct fatft % ift fror $¥, %far Trmwgr |^, sift 5rt*T t faff faw 3 * m TFt if VPTOR flfr §OT I srrcr 5F^ ^rr 5T a> «nft crt ? w r * rr v m fmr ft sftr »r fs rr % f?p)rmvw w * t?t t , t o t %s?r *rt o t W«TO IT f^cTT sw wr»fr ir^c^w ^ *rm f i ^ $W t I VOT ?EftriTFaRff faeilW f «PT TfrlT ITF^tvnT ?r^T5^ flfar f , ?rqg ?rc§ v t w fim t, ?ncf [ j# srcsr *m«n] ^ w % w t «t ir^Ef STEFT t TTIb^PT ^T \ fT*F «ft f««i v f [*sfV ^sr SHRI K. C. PANT: In Gauhati. I can He said that we should not postpone die give the names and figures. consideration of the language question and that the peace there is not very stable. Therefore, I would appreciate if my I realise it that an answer to the question Tion. friends also help in creating that con* of language has to be found and till then fidence. My hon. friend, Sbri Bhagat, i« things have not been settled down com- going there against this background, and he pletely. But the process of finding an is going there to give additional confidence answer must be left to the people of Assam to the boys in Calcutta when they go and Cachar, because they alone will there so that they can settle down there. understand each other best, with our help Thc Universities and the State Government wherever necessary. have also promised all help. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJBE SHRI S. M- BANERJEE- Shri Bhagat (Howrah): Mr. Speaker, Sir, even from is not a government .spokesman. the statement of the hon. Minister, it is clear that the situation has not bee* SHRI K. C. PANT: Government offi- normal. I draw his attention to th» cials will go from Bengal. As a people’s bundh which took place only two day* representative he should have more faith before on the 19th by the Cachar Sang- in his own colleagues. ram Parishad, some organisation.... SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: We have. SHRI D. BASUMATARI (Kokrajhar>. I know what is the Cachar Sangram SHRI K. C. PANT: There are certain P«irishad.. . (Intcr'uptnms). matters in which the government officials are helpless. Only a representative of the SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE: The people can create such an atmosphere. Cachar Sangram Parisha’d is also domi- nated by the Congress. They have declar- SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Then why ed and it has appeared in the papers that not any other representative---- (Interrn/•- if by 25th December, the language issue lions). is not settled, they will resort to higher form of struggle. I do not know what is SHRI K. C. PANT: The Assam Gov- the higher form of struggle in their mind. ernment has opened liaison office in But this shows that the situation has not Gauhati arid Dibrugarh to facilitate the become normal. The minorities there are return of these students. The Chief Minis* still apprehensive. They are still agitated. ter and the Health Minister have issued Unless the'question of language is settled,, appeals. The State Government has anno- I fear, there will be another round of ad hoc unced grants for the loss of books explosion and the situation will further and personal belongings of the students. worsen. The University of Gauhati and Dibrugarh have agreed to hold annual examinations The appeals have been Issued and m s in the second fortnight of January 1973 the Chief Minister of West Bengal famed 1$5 Situation in Assam (CA) DECEMBER 21, 1972 Situation in Assam (CA) igS tShri Samar Mukhenee] SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: appeal Jo the stpdents who have come Sir, I am rising on a point of order. Why o ya to Calcutta from Assam to go back. do you put up with such utterances as But he also reported that not a single those made by the hon. Meaner, Shri one has come to him who has expressed M* Banerjee? Should such statements he ItfeuJltesire to go hack. This show* that made, and such words used against an hon. 9Qu«onfideoce has been created in the Member of the House,—that be looks like inind* of the people .nere. .Alnteirap so and so? MR. SPEAKER: I have already «aid ' SHRI S. M. BANERIEE: Shut up. that, but he does not withdraw...... (Inter* (Interruptions). ruptions). That is why I said that any- body speaking without my permission will MR. SPEAKER: In the very beginning, not go on the record. f made it very clear that this is a subject od Which the sentiments might get aroused SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I am prepar- Too must avoid it. May I request you ed to withdraw if you consider it unparlia- not to use such word? mentary. k , iSHRi S M. BANERJEE: You kindly Mp the debates. Once Panditji actually MR. SPEAKER: When I asked you to went to his seat to stop him---- (Interrup withdraw, you did not. tion!,). SHRI S M. BANERJHE: I have never MR. SPEAKER: May I request both said that I would not withdraw. I with- of you to go outeide in the Lobby? Why , draw that word, blit Jet him also withdraw do you disturb the atmosphere of thc from the House House? You go and settle your accounts Outside. The word he uttered is unpar- liamentary. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE: When the situation is not vet normal and from irk ^ the reports of Mr. Pant it is evident and when some efforts are being made to f I 5FT t o t $ ? restore normalcy, it is just at this situa- tion. the Home Minister of Assam Govern- «r> wsrer fa^rrt wrafaft: w r src ment Shri Hiteswar Saika, in a public f»T %ft ^ | I meeting said that thc Assam Government has already decided to introduce Assamese «rsiiw i m ^ fa as the medium of instruction through legis- lation without any round table conference n m $ i and that is going to be introduced in January. That will be a further provoca- SHRI K. S CHAVDa (Patan): He has tion and thc situation will further worsen. 5fVen so many attributes. He said some- thing that goes against the decorum of the Rouse. The facts are prove’d that there is a SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: From the planned conspiracy behind these riots on very face, he looks like a chauvinist. the issue of the language of the minorities. Also the Government of Tndia, in order to SHRI D. BASUMATARI: Why is he escape its own responsibility, has stated attackihg me personally, Sir? that there may be some hand of a foreign SH£1 DTNEN BHATTACHARYYA: intelligence agency behind all these distur- Ife* should withdraw it. Six. bances. 'I r a k i s M. BANERJEE: Sir, he was exactly doing like this during the time of SHRI FRANK ANTHONY (Nomi- Faadigl vfsd tn g Panditji had to go to his nated Anglo-Indians): They are always •Ml and atop him. finding an alibi. 197 Situation in Assam AGRAHAYANA 31l, 1894 {SAKA) Situation in Asssam 198 (CA) (CA) SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE: Yes. and university level. There is no contra* There is no doubt that it is the Congress diction between Assamese language becom- Government of the State as well as the ing the main medium of instruction and Centre who are responsible and they have the language of administration and the proved their total bankruptcy to deal with language of minorities being the- medium the situation. of instruction, both 111 the p.uiar) st-fe secondary stage, and othei levels. Unless Now, they have set up an inquiry. this problem is solved on the basis of About what? To mittsre inis the stit democratic principles the basis for these quacy of the administrative arrangements disturbances and riots will not be removed. made to deal with the disturbances. Now, Already the slogan for a separate State of after the riots have continued for more Cachar has been raised. Already plain than three months, the Government is in- tribals have laised the demand for separate quit ing into whether their machineiy is autonomous State. When the demand for adequate or not Wh it is this? it is quito a separate State for Cachar has already obvious that the Government has totally been there, do you want that Assam should failed and there is the hand behind these be disintegrated as the situation in Andhra riots of the Government and there was a is? In Andhra they ientant', a sepjnte. ■connivance of the Central Government State of Telengana. These demands are with it. being raised because of the policy of the Congress Government. The Central Gov- ernment has totally failed in this regard 13.24 hrs. If this situation continues how can die integrity of India be developed? How can [ S h r i K. N. T i w a r y in the Chair.} the unity of India be developed? Their policy leads to disintegration in Assam, in So, our main point is that unless the Andhra, and various other States. It has question of the medium of instruction ai.d got icoercussions throughout India. It the language of the minorities is settled on she .\s th„' total bankruptcy of the Govern- the basis of democratic principles, toe ment at t£e Centre. The problem of the situation in Assam will not be normal. medium of instruction of minorities should be solved on the basis of democratic pri»* ciples. There should be guarantee for Assamese should be the medium of ins- protection of the lives and properties o f truction as well as the medium of adminis- \hese minorities. Those who are affected tration. That is just and we fully suppoii must be given proper relief and rehabili- that -... tation. MR. CHAIRMAN: But, Sir, what do you want to know? 13.27 hrs. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE: Let me •finish. Why are you intervening?___ (Interruptions). [Mr. S p e a k e r in the Chair.] MR. CHAIRMAN: No, please. The Sir, we demand that a non-offici«d call attention i$ meant only for seeking inquiry should be conducted in these information,... (Interruptions). matters. They should find out as to who have been responsible for all these things, SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE: It is and how the situation could he improved the accepted policy of the Government an’d nbrmal situation restored. There that upto the secondary level the minori- should be a deputation from all the parties ties should have the right to have instruc- on behalf of the Parliament. Parliamen- tions through thdr mother tongue. This tary delegation is a ‘musty I should say. Should' be extended rigfrt up to the college It must be sent to Assam immediately so 199 Situation in Assam (CA) DECEMBER 21, 1972 Situation in Assam (CA) 2 0 0 (Shri Samar MukherjeeJ only in Assam but elsewhere to be very that the situation can be improved and careful in handling such situations. I normal situation restored and the fears and would appeal to them to be very restrain* apprehensions of minorities removed. ed. When 1 raised this matter with thfr Chief Minister, he readily said ‘How can These are very vital matteis. The sitm- I object to meeting them? 1 shall certain- tion is very explosive. The movement is ly meet them and talk to them.’ There- still going on. From January the Assa- fore, that is the right approach. mese language is going to be imposed unilaterally. The Minister should take a The hon. Member again referred to th- serious view of the situation. His attitude statement of the Home Minister of Assam. reflects a total complacency and lack of I have already said that he has said that proper understanding of the situation. it was a distorted statement. That is why, the first thing should be that we should solve this question of the SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: medium of instruction. We want to know Why did he not contradict it? how the Central Government is going to solve this problem and improve relations SHRI K. C. PANT: He has contradict- between different linguistic people. ed it. He showed me a press statement.. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: 1 would again like to emphasise that a That did not come in an> paper. non-official inquiry should be conducted in the matter. A Parliamentary Delegation SHRI K C. PAN 1 : The hon. Mem- should be sent there. I want a cleat ans- ber has perh-ips not read it. I shall wer from the hon. Minister to all my accept that, but he showed me the pies'* points raised. statement ... SHRI K. C. PANT: These points hi>vc SHRI DINFN BHATTAC HAKYYA’ already been raised by other hon Membei > What is his categorical view? Let him and 1 have attempted to give whatever answer categorically and say what the information I have in my possession. On position is going to be from Jami.ir\ the question of agitation in Cachar, when SHRT K. C. PANT: I do not an^wc: I was in Cachar, I met the various sec- for all Home Ministers. I can only tions of the people there, including the answer for the Central Government. members of the Sangam Parishad, the Bar Association, students and othcis, and SHRI SAMAR MUKERJFE: But a my advice to them was that they should banJh had taken placc after the ho:i. call off the agitation, and that agitations Minister had come back. were not going to help in finding a solu- tion to a problem like the medium of in- SHRI K. C. PANT: My hon. friend had struction in higher education. This is a said that the Central Government had problem which needs calm and peace and abdicated its responsibility. I have already an atmosphere of gooiwil, ar 1 con .Jen;e indicated that Shri K A. Ahmed went for a solution and a^-iatiop do noi h> It, m there, Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha went any of these. there,, and I went there later, andin this particular type of situation, we would Therefore, while talking to them, I had certainly help in every way possible. One suggested to them that (he right thing concrete help which we can give them and would be to discuss the matter further we do give them is the assistance of .he with the Assam Chief Minister, and they CRP. I do not know my hon. friend’s had expressed some doubts about the attitude to the CRP, but I think he will Assam Chief Minister being willing to realise the utility erf the CRP in situations meet them because of some statement like this, and it will help to modify the somewhere. There are so many pre^s general impression of the CRP which he statements. I would appeal to the press not has.. . . 301 Situation in AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Re Piotetdmgs of 202 Assam (CA) the House SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE The SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU Since the CRF is uied against us only and not to hon Prime Minister is here, she may make control riots a statement about the feasibili y of send mg an MPs delegation to Assam We SHRI K Cf PANT He made d sur- have been asking for it foi a very long prising allegation that the riots had taken time You could help us in this regard. place with the connivance of the Centre It is an amtuung statement Jt is an irrcs ponsible statement 1 would strongly pro 13.35 hr*. test against such statements which only lead to exacerbate the feelings that 0ready RF PROCEEDINGS OF THE HOUSE exist m that area SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond Harbour) I had written to you about two SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE That is things May I read out? I suo motu because there is a general movement wish to say the following which I had against the high prices of foodgrams written to you immediately SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamoni MR SPEAKER That is already SHRI S. A. &.HAMIM (Srinagar): MR. SPEAKER: I have got it I a n Against his respected friend, Shri Raj waiting for the member. You mean Bahadur. matter about the Balayogi? MR. SPEAKER: No, no. I saw the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Yes. record. Normally we have the proceed- ft ings. 1 shall make the position very MR. SPEAKER: It is with me. It is. dear. The proceedings are taken from there. I will discuss with him. the Reporters’ copy. In this case in what had appeared in the proceedings coming There was also a case, similar to this from the Reporters’ copy, 1 do not think recording. Some similar sounding words in between there is any tempering. The somehow are mistyped (Interruption*). tape-recording is there. I think in this You are interested in keeping it alive. case Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu is coirect there (Interruptions). SHRI S M. BANERJEE: Kindly allow me to make a submission. AN HON. MEMBER: Privilege comes. MR. SPEAKER: You see me later o*. MR. SPEAKER: The tape-recording is SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: He may not there. The Minister explained it (Inter ruptums attend the House (Interruptions). I have ). a document whi^h is addressed to the Prime Minister, copies of which have SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: It is a been distributed, in which my leader, Shri question of privilege. Indrajit Gupta, has been attacked. MR. SPEAKER: No question of pri- MR. SPEAKER: I will ask both of you vilege. Sometimes, when all of you arc to see me in my Chamber. speaking, the Reporter takes it wrong. Tampering iomes in if theie »s some A similar mistake happened yesterday* change in between. Sometimes, when all to which reference was made by Shri of you are speaking, the Reporters do not Kachwai. It is a similar mistake of trans- catch it. In that case, we leave it to the lation. They thought this Nivesh wa* Members to correct. They can correct another BiU. But it was some translation it. In this case, somehow, unfortunately, of that. It happened. I have laid the position as it is before you. I request that this may SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I rise on a be dropped. point of order. The House cannot be misled like this. It was no question of SOME HON. MEMBERS; .Yes, yes. translation. Thif is the letter: “My dear Mrs. Gandhi, I learnt t o SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: As per afternoon... your desire that it should be dropped, and since you have made the position clear MR. SPEAKER: No, no. Unless I catt that he had said it, which was incorrectly you___(Interruptions). Are you listen- put in the proceedings, I drop it on your ing to me ? So long as I am on my h H , request. nothing else will go on record. But I wish Shri Raj Bahadur.. . . (In SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Do I take II terruptions). that the privilege motion ha* bam refused ? SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): JVhat about my privilege motion against MR. SPEAKER: I will explain <0 fern Shri S. N. Mishra? (Interruptions). and then reftise it 310$ Re. Proceedings AGRA HAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) of the House 206 SHRI s . M. BANERJEE: When will Ordei, order Mr. Sha&tri. you explain it ? SHRI S M. BANERJEE: Why don’t MR. SPEAKER: 1 will explain it to you you allow me to lead the whole thing. and if you are not convinced then I will - think about it. There is nothing in that MR SPEAKER: 1 am not allowing. but 1 though); it must be brought to your notice. (Inteirupnons). Order, order. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE. Why? It is a privilege motion. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Sir, let the whole thing be laid on the Table of the MR. SPEAKER: i have not allowed House, (hiienuptions). le t me lay it your privilege motion. It is no privilege motion. You want to know why. This MR. SPEAKER: Order, please. Yon is not a privilege motion. are not called by me Nothing will go on record. SHRI S. M BANERJEE: Why should the leader of that party only be the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Kindly allow leader ? The leader of my party also is a me to s>ay that whatever Mr. Sbambu leader. Nath Misra is circulating.-1 * * SHRI S. A. SHAM1M: Even I am a MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Please leader of a party! {Interruptions). do not use such words. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Today you SHRI K. S. CHAVDA: Sir, regarding may laugh it out. But the question is the reply of the Deputy Minister of more serious. (Interruptions). Foreign Trade with regard to my letter to MR. SPEAKER: You are disturbing you, of the 18th December, I wish to the House. I have not called you. I say that this reply says that the Prime have not allowed it. Minister's Secretariat as well as the Foreign Trade Ministry hBve received no com- SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I am not plaint, but there is the original copy of disturbing. (Interruptions). the paper----- (Interruptions). SHRI 1NDRAJ1T GUPTA (Alipore): MR. SPEAKER: Please send it to me. Sir, may I seek one guidance from you? You write to me. Do not bripg it here Am I to take it from your observation— so abruptly. I do not want to bring in any persona! element into this—that it is open to any SHRI K. S. CHAVDA: What should I Member of this Houe to multiply and do? circulate a document containing palpable falsehood against another Member and MR. SPEAKER: 7 have said that you there is no remedy for it? That is all I m ay send Jit to me, Whatever is your com- want to know from you. You tell n* anent, send it to m e.. {Interruptions). there is no remedy here; we know how to deal with such people elsewhere. (Inter ruptions). SHRI K N. TIWARI (Bettiah): Sir, Is it proper ? I am. referring to what Mr. AN HON. MEMBER: We also know UanerfeQ said. Is it permissible?** how to deal with you all. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: These MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed devotees of the Balyogi * * (Interrup Itlm. I told hi** that so long w I am tions). fare standing, he cannot speak like that. {Interruptions) SHRI S. M. BANERJEE. ** •♦Expunged as ordered 3>y the Cha 20j Re- Proceedings of DECEMBER 21, 1972 Papen Laid the House TWWTIT ( ^ ) : t po provision m the Rule that I should allow anything to come in this House at fw PT * r T$r «rr f a ^ f g ^ H % any time. Yog should come through, proper channel. spurn 30 W3^ ^fk SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: May I *?1*f §z r v h *TfHT WCTtn' in^w^r make one submission taking only half a 116f^»n^R%fT>t ^ rr f r ^ r minute? I wrote to you. % ant % *f$fr sft ^ *for* |, MR. SPEAKER: No, 1 have not called, you. *?r t^ ft ®t r ^ i ^ r ^ f earner fa*rn? & sflr SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I wrote to Review and Annual Rrporr of Hindus- you about the Metio Goldwyn Meyei tan Stfel Limited, Ranchi employees. There has been a conspiracy T H E MINISTER OF STATE IN THE between one set of Indians and another MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES' set of Americans---- (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): I beg to la y on the Table a copy each of the MR. SPEAKER: By writing you do not fo llo w in g papers (Hindi and English get my permission. versions) under sub-section (1) of section 619A o f the Companies Act, 1956:— SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; . . . . @ (1) Review by the Government on MR. SPEAKER: J have not allowed the working of the Hindustan Steel you; it will not go on record. There is Limited, Ranchi, for the year 1971-72. •♦Expunged as ordered by the Chair. @Not recorded. 209 Messages from R*S. AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Comm, on Absence 2*0 Report (2) Annual Report of the Hindustan Sabha at its sitting held on the Nth Steel Limited. Ranchi, for the year December, 1972." 1971-72 along with the Audited (ii) in accordance with the provi- Accounts and the comments of the sions of rule 111 of the Rules of Pro- Comptroller and Auditor General there cedure and Conduct of Business in the [Placed in Library. See on. No. 1.1 - Rajya Sabha, I am directed to enclose 4106/72]. a copy of the Capital of Punjab Review and Annual Repori* of (Development and Regulation) (Chandi- FERTILISERS AND CHEMICALS, TRAVANCORE garh Amendment) Bill. 1972, which has L i m i t e d been passed by the Rajya Sabha at its sitting held on the 19th December, 1972.’'' THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR SNGH): CAPITAL OF PUNJAB (DEVELOP- 1 beg to lay on the Table a copy each ot MENT AND REGULATION) (CHANDI- the following papers (Hindi and English GARH AMENDMENT) BILL versions) undei sub-scction ( 1) of section 6J9A of the Companies Act. 1956:— As Passed by Rajya Sabha (1) Review by the Government on SECRETARY: Sir, I lay on the Table the working of the Fertilisers and of the House the Capital of Punjab Chemicals, Travancore Limited, for the (Development and Regulation) (Chandi- >eai 1970 71. garh Amendment) Bill, 1972, as passed (2) Annual Report of the Fertilisers by Rajya Sabha. and Chemicals. Travancore Limited, for the ye«ir 1970 71 along with the Audited PUBI 1C ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE Accounts and the comments of the H u y -f i f t h Re po r t Comptroller and Auditor General there- on. SHRI SfZHlYAN (Kumbakonam): I beg to present the Fifty-fifth Report of I Plated in Lihrarv See No 11-4107/ the Public Accounts Committee regarding 72] action taken by Government on the re- commendations contained in their Ninth f OM M iriFF. ON PFTITIONS Report dialing to Ministiy oi Education M in u te s and Social Welfcye. SHRI A. P. SHARMA (Buxar): 1 beg to lay on the Table Minutes of the COMMITTEE ON PETITIONS Twelfth to Twenty-first sitting* of th^ Committee on Petitions. S i v e n t h R e p o r t SHRI A P. SHARMA (Buxaz): I beg MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA to present the Seventh Report of the SECRETARY: Sir, I have to report the Committee on Petitions. following messages received from the Secretary of Rajya Sabha COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF (i) “In accordance with the provi-MFMBERS FROM SITTINGS OF THE sion? of rule 127 of the Rules of HOUSE Procedure and Conduct of Business in E ig h t R e p o r t the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to in- form the Lok Sabha that the Rajya SHRI S. C. SAMANTA (Tamhik): I Sabha, at its sitting held on the 19th beg to present the Eighth Report of the December, 1972, agreed without any Committee on Absence of Members from amendment to the Delimitation Bilt. the Sittings of the House. Ii72, which was passed by the Lok . a n Expulsion of India DECEMBER 21, 1972 Diplomat from Kampala {St.) 212. 13.48 bn. nationals were concerned, our High Com- mission was obviously exercising its legi- (STATEMENT RE: EXPULSION OF timate functions of safeguarding the in- THE FIRST SECRETARY IN THE terests and residual assets of Indian HIGH COMMISSION OF IN DA IN nationals. The High Commission in fact KAMPALA had alreay addressed a similar Note to the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Uganda Foreign Office. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Ch-HRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): The Our High Commissioner has lodged a House will be disturbed to learn of a strong protest with the Foreign Office of further incident that has occurred in the Uganda and has sought an interview with last two days concerning our relations with the Foreign Minister. Similar protests Uganda, wctc also made with the Acting High Commissioner of Uganda in Delhi who till yesterday stated that he had no infor- We have received information that our mation on this matter. Fir»t Secretary jin our High ommission in Kampala has been asked to leave the Yesterday a Note was received by our country. Shri N. N. Desai, the First High Commission from the Uganda Secretary, was summoned by the Minister Foreign Office reiterating that Shri Desati o f Defence of Uganda at 8.30 a .m . last should leave Uganda by 9.00 a.m . this Tuesday, the 19th of December. Our morning. Shri Desai left Uganda yester- High Commissioner who had requested day. r that he should be present at the interview was not permitted to do so. At this in- The House is aware of the considerable terview Shri Desai was shown a letter restraint Government has exercised over tigned by him which he had addressed to the past months in relation to the dis- the local National Transport Company in tressing events that have taken place in which he had made inquiries on behalf ot Uganda. At this stage I should like to the High Commission about the ownership assure the House that we are pursuing this of ccrtain cars belonging to expelled matter and will take whatever action is Asians in order to determine whethr their necessary in our best interests. owners were Indian nationals. The Defence Minister of Uganda stated that In addressing a letter to the transport i reifrft (w nfon:): company on this matter, Shri Desai had acted in an improper manner and not in snarer t, conformity with his dipldtnatic functions. ftfltfTsr forr «fhr Shri Desai’s explanation that these were normal consular inquiries was summarily W t w 5T$T % f*ff rejected. The Minister then informed him that he should leave the country within 48 hours in viw of these Improper activities. *r?rr o t ? w t , igsr For the information of Honourable ^ 2: qft WT0f f 1 Members, I might explain that a number of can belonging to those expelled had SHII G. VISWANATHAN (Wandi- been taken out of Uganda by the National Transport Company and had reached wash): What action is the Government Mombasa from where the Uganda Gov- of India going to take? ernment had ordered them to be brought back on the plea that they had been MR. SPEAKER: It is a very recent wrongly exported. Tn making inquiries matter. I think we will ask him after on this matter, particularly where Indian some time. 213 Maner Under AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Rule 377 2X4 1JL52 bn. of corruption made against the Chief BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minister of Haryana in the first instance TwfNTy-SfiCOND R e po r t by the legislators of the State and later supported by no loss than 121 Members THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- of Parliament. It is in that context that TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND the Chief Secretary to the Haryana Gov- TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): ernmnt wrote to the Comptroller and I beg to move: Auditor General this letter dated the 8th November, 1972. This is the wording ol “That this House do agree with the the Vetter which the House must con- Twenty>second Report of the Business sider. Advisory Committee presented to the House on the 20th December, 1972.*’ MR. SPEAKER: Are you sure about it? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond Harbour): About this motion, I have my SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: regrets, because certain Bills which were I am prepared to authenticate it. listed in the Bulletin Part II like the MR. SPEAKER: Do you take the Urban Property Ceiling Bill are not responsibility for it ? coming before the House. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: MR. SPEAKER: He attends the BAC Yes; complete responsibility. The letter meeting and then he comes here and speaks says: agsunst it. I do not like it. This is an accepted convention The question is: ‘"I am directed to say that a memo* “That this Hou>e do agree with the jandum was subm.-ttcd to the President Twenty-second Report of the Business of India by certain M.L.A* of the Advisory Committee presented to the Haryana Vidhan Sabha in which allega- House on the 20th December, 1972.“’ lions had been levelled against the Chief The motion was adopted. Minister of Haryana. Some of the allegations in the Memoranrum pertain to ccrtain purchase transactions made 13.53 hrs. b\ the Haivana Mate Electricity Board. Sometime back the Chief Minister of M A T 1 L R U N D 1 R R U L E 377 Haryana had made a statement on the L u t i r i ROM C n u r Si c r t t a r y, H a r b i n a floor of Haryana Vidhan Sabha that he T p THE C O M M R O ILER AND A t PI TOR would get these allegations enquired into G f n e r a i. o k I n d ia f o r c o n d u c t in g and thereafter an enquiry was conduct- INQUIRY IN fO THF AFFAIRS OF HARYANA ed by the Director. Special Inquiry Statf ErtcTRictrv B o a r d Agency under the Vigilance Department SHRI vSHYAMNANDAN MISHRA of ihe State Government. The finding (Bengusarai): Sir, I want to make a few of the Director, Special Inquiry Agency, submissions which are of great constitu- was that in all these transactions, prescribed procedure had been followed. tional importance and which relate to the However, the Chairman of the State dignity and impartiality of the exalted Electricity Board has requested that tin office of the Comptroller and Auditor inquiry into these all allegations may General. The proposition I want to make also be got conducted through Mi out* 16 that the Government of Haryana has side and independent agency and the State tried to involve this exalted office in a Government are in agreement with this fti& ion' which does not {legitimately suggestion. betong to its domain. The relevance of ferfftgftiig this mattf" ’ -f"re this House Is Therefore, if an\ directed to request that this is as a sequel to cortain charges you in this behalf to set a special audit 215 Mat ter M e 377 DECEMBER 21, 1972 Matter Under Ruin 377 216 [Shri Ram Niwas Mirdhu] is: j _ conducted in respect of thc Electricity “The incharge of accounts being the Board so that the finding arrived at in biggest factor for providing either a the enquiry conducted by the Director, great hindrance or a positive help in Special Inquiry Agency could be further any attempt or scheme for a huge fraud verified....” * on Board’s funds, the then F.A.M. (Finance and Accounts Member) was The point to which I want to draw the decided to be replaced by some posi- Attention of the hon. House is that this tively helpful officer of A.G.’s office. It letter gives a lead in the matter and asks was so manoeuvred that the presept the Auditor-General to merely rubber F.A.M. came to be appointed though stamp the findings of its vigilance depart- he did not fulfil the eligibility condi- ment. tions under the Act.” MR. SPEAKER: Let him be brief. The name of that person is also mentioned SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: here. This is another specific allegation Unless we consider the whole matter, how made in the memorandum, that is, against do you expect us to come to proper con- an appointment in the office of the clusions ? Accountant-General. Therefore, my humble submission is The flowers and functions of the that this matter should not be remitted Auditor-General are defined by the Con- thc Auditor-General. This is intended for stitution, and those powers are extremely getting a blanket clearance certificate from limited, so long as Parliament does not the Auditor-General. It is an attempt pass a legislation extending the powers to bring down the office of the Auditor and functions of the Auditor-General. It General, to bring about the political con- is only at the instance of the Governor tamination of the office of the Auditor- or the President of India that the Auditor General. It must be decried and we must General can conduct an inquiry of this not allow this procedure to be adopted in kind. There is no mention in this letter the interest of the honour, dignity and that this has been done with the approval, impartiality of the office of the Auditor- or at the instance of the Governor, and General. so on. It cannot be done at the instance 14 hrs. of the Chief Minister. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): Mr MR. SPEAKfcR. 1 allowed lim two Speaker. Sir, this is a matter between the minutes under rule 377. He can osk the State Government and the Comptroller Minister to make a statement. and Auditor-General. When the State Government decides to take the aid and SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : assi\tancc of thc Comptroller and Auditor- During the Calling Attention I did not General to go into specific charges, take more than five or six minutes. Thai certainly, it is for the Comptroller and you do not appreciate. This is a matter Auditor General to decide about it.. In which interests the entire House. this particular matter, the C.A.G. has MR. SPEAKER: It will not interest thought, as a snccific request has been many people. made to them, though normally it is a matter for the Auditor General of the SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : State concerned to look into it---- The memorandum dated the 24th Febru- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond ary 1972 itself makes a specific allegation Harbour): You mean the Accountant about an appointment in the office of the Genera] ? Accountant-General. When that h the SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): allegation, how can the office of the Yes, the Accountant General. Thank you Auditor-General take note of it and go for the correction. Wherever you deserve Into tiiis matter? The specific allegation it, I give it. t2 J7 Matter Under AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Rules- Bill 218 Rule 377 MR. SPEAKER: Most of the time he MR. SPEAKER: Order, please. We go does’nt. to the next item now. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: That is a 14.04 hrs. Matter of opinion. MULKI RULES BILL SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: The C.A.G. has agreed—the Accountant THE MINNSTER OF STATE IN THE General audits everything—as they have MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND aientioned certain specific auditing to be IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- done, to do it on certain conditions. NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): t^hri Ram Niwas Mirdha] in which the residential requirement'was validate the appointments made during this not complied with even thpugh the, posts period in contravention of thp Mulki were those notified in the 1057 Atf, Rides. As the House is aware, there has idea in making the Mulki'Rules directory been considerable doubt anrf uncertainty in regard to the various posts for thi»- during the period to which these clauses period is to enisure tHat' whife^the yalidi^y x^late, with regard to the application or of appointments MfeT in accordance wijfe' Ogherwup of the Mulki Rules. Right from the residential requirement is not ,iajuny tfre coming into force of the Public Em- way affected, the Validity of appointments ployment (Requirement as to Residence) made without compliance with residential) Act, 1957, til! {he Supreme Court struck requirement is ensured. down section 3 of that Act by its judg- ment, dated 28-3.19$? in A. V. S. Narasinga Rao’s case, it was assumed that section 2 I now pa» on to explain the scheme of of the Act had operated to repeal the clauses 5, 6 and 7 of the Bill, that is. the MuLki Rules, and that the only law as to clauses relating to the future. Clause 5 application of requirement as to residence of the Bill seeks to repeal the Mulki Rules was that provided for by the rules made in so far as they relate to appointment* lender the Act. From the decision of the other than the appointments to posts it* Supreme Court in A. V. S. Narasinga respect of which, according to Govern- Rao’s case till the recent judgment of the ment's decisions, the residential require- Supreme Court also it was assumed that ment is to be continued. Sir, these posts the Mulki Rules were not in force. 1 need will be found enumerated in Schedule I not refer to the various decisions of thc and Schedule II. As a result of clause Andhra Pradesh High Court on the ques- 5, Mulki Rules will continue in operation tion as to whether the Mulki Rules were only so far as the posts mentioned in the repealed or not. I am referring to these Schedules are concerned. 1 would like to facts only for emphasising thc need for make it clear at this stage that we are not, having suitable provisions for validation by this legislation, prescribing any resi- of appointments which were made in the dential requirement in respect of the past on the basis that the Mulki Rules posts mentioned in the Schedules. The were not in force. residential requirement applies in respect Permit me to explain clauses 3 and 4 of those posts because we have not re- in a little greater detail. Clause 3, by a pealed the Mulki Rules in relation to those temporary amendment, seeks to confine posts. .the operation of the Mulki Rules during the period from the formation of the State Clause 6 of the Bill seeks to repeal the of Andhia Pradesh till the commencement Mulki Rules in so far as they relate to of the proposed legislation only to these posts specified in the Schedules and which posts in respect of which a requirement as are located within the capital area, that to residence in Telangana was prescribed is to say, the cities of Hyderabad and under the Public Employment (Require- Secunderabad. The repeal will take effect ment as to Residence) Act, 1957. It from the expiration of the 31st day c£ validates appointments to all other posts. December, 1977. Clause 4 makes an amendment to the Mulki Rules for the duration of the period Clause 7 of the Bill seeks to repeal the from the formation of the State of Andhra Mulki Rules in their application to the Pradesh till the commencement of the posts specified in the Schedules and which proposed legislation so as to make them are located in other areas of Telangana. directory in their application to the posts The Tepeal will take effect from the ex- to which the residential requirement was piration of the 31st December, 1980. applicable under the Public Employment CRequirentent a$ to Residence) Act, 1957. A * already explained, there were different Sir, an analysis ofr clauses 5, 6 and ^ Judicial decisions feokHng the field ’ at would reveal that those classes adopt V * different times, and there were some cases device of a partial repeal of the MuB» 221 Mulki Rules Bill AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Rules Bill 222 Rules so that what remains 'bfter such re* and additions upto the end of Azur, 1359 peal would be relevant only in respect of F., viz., October, 1949 in English calen- the posts for which the residential re- dar. I am afraid this annexure iS not quirement is intended to be continued. relevant to the present Bill because the Mulki rules were adapted after 1st Nov- At the end I may briefly mention that ember, 1956 by the Andhra Pradesh Gov- authority for the Bill is derived from ernment as valid laws and applicable to Article 35(b) of the Constitution which Telengana region under the provisions of has continued, after commencement of Andhra Pradesh Adaptation of Laws the Constitution, the residential require- Order, 1957. These rules were continued ment for Government Employment pro- in their operation by virtue of the provi- vided under the Mulki Rules framed by sions of Sections 119 and 120 of the the Nizam, until altered or repealed or States Reorganisation Act, 1956, read with amended by Parliament. The Bill does Art. 372 of the Constitution. What should not conlravene the provisions of Article be included as annexure to this Bill are 16 of the Constitution as no new require- these adapted Mulki rules and not the ments as to residence for public Employ- present annexure. I wonder how this Bill ment is being created. could be fully considered without the The Bill only seeks to lestrict the opera- change of annexure. tion of such requirement under the Mulki There is one more point, Mr. Deputy Rules which have continued in force under Speaker. The Mulki rules circulated to Art 35(b) and to repeal the rules in a us does not appear to be complete. 1 phased manner under powers given to the would like to refer to Clause 2(d) (ii) Parliament under that rule. which reads: I request the House to consider and to “Any post of Police Officer as defined adopt the Motion which I have moved. in clause (b) of Section 3 of the r» Hyderabad City Police Act, 1348: F” MR. DFPIJIY-SPEAKFR- Motion Now, Sir. as this i# a material part of moved: the Bill, there should have been an “That the Bill to provide for certain annexure giving the Hyderabad City amendments to the Mulki Rules so as Police Act, 1348 F. This is a State Act. to limit their operation, for the valida- We have not got it.. . tion of certain appointments and for MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I under- the repeal, in a phased manner, of the stand that this one has been pul in the said rules and for matters connected Library. This particular Act that you therewith, be taken into consideration” refer to, that is, the Hyderabad City Police Act, has been placed in the Library, SHRI J. RAMFSHWAR RAO (Mah- for the reference of Hon. Members. bubnagar): With your permission, Sir, I rise on a point of order. SHRI J- RAMESHWAR RAO: This is a pre-independence Act. It could have MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: On what been added to the Annexure. This is my point? submission. SHRI J. RAMESHWAR RAO: On this On both these points, the Bill as in- Bill which is just now the matter for troduced is incomplete and I request your consideration. ruling on this point whether an incom- plete Bill can be taken up for considera- Sir. the Bill which was circulated, nas tion. an annexure which contains extracts from Thank you. the Hyderabad Civil Service Regulations taken from the latest official edition pub' MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Mirdfa. lished in 1950 incorporating corrections have you anything to say on this? 3020 LS—S. 223 Mulki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21, 1972 Mulki Rules Bill 224 SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir, as MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon. you yourself explained, we have put the Member can make use of this point in extracts from the Hyderabad City Police his speech. I see that his name is there Act (which defines a Police Officer) in on the list. When he speaks, he can refer the Library and that should meet with the to this. needs of the situation. Actually the annexure is not specifically a part of the Bill as such. It is just there as an infor- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Raja- mation for the guidance and facility of pur): May I seek your guidance regard- the hon. Members, so that it may serve ing the procedure? Already, the motion as a ready reference. We have placed for consideration of the Bill has been this Act which he has referred to in the moved here. Some of us have given Library so that those hon. Members who amendments to this consideration motion, want may have a look at it and see as to to the effect that the Bill may be circulat- what we want to do ed for eliciting public opinion. Also it has been mentioned that the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall as- Eighth Fdition should have been men- certain from him whether he will be ioned and not the Seventh Edition. My moving his amendment. reply is very brief. Thc Eighth Edition does not contain the original concept of PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I the Mulki Rules which is the basis of this would like to know from you at what Bill. Thc L'ighth edition relates to cer- stage we can make observations on that. tain other purposes. Now, our main Would you give priority to those who purpose here in having the extract is to have tabled such amendments, because see as to what the concept of the Mulki that is a very basic point? rule is, which is being sought to be amended under the proposed Bill. It is MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: This is a therefore not the Eighth Edition, but the very well known and accepted procedure Seventh Edition which is the proper that soon after the motion for considera- reference material to fall back upon and tion is moved, amendments to that motion this is exactly what we have done. are moved. I shall ascertain from the hon. Member whether he is moving those MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I agiee that amendments, and then in the course of annexures are not really part of the Bill; his speech, he can speak on both the they are there only for the reference of amendments and the motion for consi- the Members. With regard to the parti- deration. That is the accepted procedure. cular Act that the hon. Member had re- ferred to. it has been placed in the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I had Library for his reference. If the hon. raised som other point. It appears to Minister says that the proposed amend- me that the procedure being followed ments are in relation to the extracts that absolutely varies from the general proce- are relevant, which have been given at dure. That was why I was asking for the end of the Bill, I do not see any a general clarification. For instance, irregularity in that. while moving this particular amendment that the Bill may be circulated for elicit- SHRI R. V. BADE (Khargone): Here, ing opinion thereon, if we feel that we annexure is part of thc Bill. can make some observations At the initial stage, if we are allowed to do so, that may help in the discussion. Can that not SHRI J. RAMESHWAR RAO: With be done? your permission, may I say that under the Andhra Pradesh Adaptation of L a w s Order the earlier laws have been adapted, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That is and they are no more valid? not the practice. 225 Mulki Rules m AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Ruiei Bill 226 SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO (Bobilli): MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; That ques- I have tabled a motion for reference to tion had been disposed of already. the Supreme Court.., . SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall as- Government have not been well advised certain from him whether he is moving in bringing forward this motion without it. We have not come to that stage yet. doing political and human engineering. I am dealing with points of order now. So, our party has decided to boycott the debate on this Bill. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA (Begusarai):...... May I make a sub- Shri Shyamnandan Mishra and some mission?...... other Members then left the House. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have al- SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): I ready given my ruling on the point of would also like to disassociate myself and order. my party from this Bill. As I had said when the BiU was introduced, this Gov- SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MiSHRA: I ernment with its eyes open is going in am not referring to that. With your per- for a public blood bath in Andhra Pra- mission, I want to make a submission desh and Telengana. I cannot see how which will perhaps lessen the burden or this Bill is being welcomed by anybody pressure on the time fixed for this debate. except for Shrimati Lakshmikanthamma Therefore. I shall not asociate myself in Our party has decided to boycott the any way with this Bill. I feel that the debate on this subject. We had earlier Bill should never have been introduced. been opposed to its introduction. We stick I thought that we had succeeded in stopp- to the basic position. . . . ing the Government from introducing it: I thought that we had persuaded them MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon. to see the wisdom of not introducing this Member needs not make a speech then. Bill, but since the Government chooses to ignore all such protests, I and my party SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: cannot associate with this debate. Instead of solving the problem. . . . MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now. he is Shri Piloo Modv and some other Mem making a speech. bers then left the Hons*. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am sorrv Instead of solving the problem, it would in all this confusion I forgot to ascertain lead to further accentuation of the from the members who have given noiice-> trouble. No element in Andhra Pradesh of amendments to this motion. Shri K. seems to be in support of this measure. Narayana Rao. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon. SHRT K. NARAYANA RAO: 1 move- Member is entitled to his opinion. “That the Piesidcnt of India may be SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: We requested to refer the Mulki Rules have also another complaint, against the Bill, 1972, for the advisory opinion of Chair. Although doubts have been ex- the Supreme Court under article 143 pressed about the legality and constitu- of (the Constitution of India”. (1) tionality of the measure, the Chair did SHRI M. SATYANARAYAN RAO not think it fit to give us the benefit of (Karimnagar): 1 move: the advice of the Attorney-General___ We* therefore, find ourselves in great "That the President be requested to difficulty, so far as the legality and consti- refer the Mulki Rules Bill 1972, to the tutionality of this particular measure is Supreme Court, under article 143 of concerned___ the Constitution for its opinion". (31) :2 7 Mulki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21. 1972 Mulki Rules Bin 22& SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI that in other respects the Rules of (Shajapur): My amendment is in list Procedure of this House relating to* No. 1. Parliamentary Committees shall apply with such variations and modifications MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am going as the Speaker may make; and according to the list given here. This must have been rearranged. that this House do rccommend to Rajya Sabha that Rajya Sabha do join SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI: I the said Joint Committee and commu- move: nicate to this House the names of 10' members to be appointed by Rajya “That the Bill be circulated for the Sabha to the Joint Committee”. (4) purpose of eliciting opinion thereon by MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Everybody the 15th February, 1973”. (2) is so much confused. Members are con- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: 1 fused. The Chair is also confused move: *PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Dis- tribution of confusion. "That the Bill be circulated for the purpose of eliciting opinion thereon by MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We are all ‘ the 4th April, 1973”. (3) human beings with all our failings. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN (Palghat): SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI* I What about my amendment? move: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Your am- “That the Bill to provide for certain endment is to clause 2. This is the motion amendments to the Mulki Rules so as for consideration. We arc all confused. to limit their operation, for the valida- SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandi- tion of certain appointments and for wah)- At least there is socialism in con- the repeal, in a phased manner, of the fusion. said rules and for matters connccted *SHRI B. N. REDDY (Niryalguda). therewith, be referred to a Joint Com- Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I am speaking mittee of the Houses consisting of 30 on behalf of. the Communist Party of members, 20 from this House, namely: India of which the great Shri P. Sun- Shri R. V. Bade, Shri Bhagirath Bhan- daraya. Our party lead by Sundaraya war, Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu, Shri Madhu struggled hard for the establishment of Dandavatc. Shri R. N. Goenka. Shri Andhra Pradesh. In the first place I Tagannathrao Joshi, Shri Hukam Chand want to make it clear that it is disgrace- Kachwai, Shri Mallikarjun, Shri P. G. ful and shameful on the part of the Mavalankar, Shri Piloo Mody, Dt. Government to bring forward this Bill Laxminarayan Pandeya. Shri K. C. before this august House. The Gov- Pant, Shri Dhan Shah Pradhan, Shri ernment arc reviving their feudalistic M. S. Purty, Shri Ramkanwar, Shri M. tendencies which existed before 50 years. Satyanarayana Rao, Shri Shiv Kumar This docs not contribute to the unity of Shastri, Shri Rana Bahadur Singh, India. The Government ignored the Shri •The original speach was delivered in Telugu. J229 Mulki Rules Bill AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 {SAHA) Aiulkt Rules Dill 330 I would like to ask the circumstances of the Government to explain to ho* in which this Bill has been brought this B.ll encourage the unity of Andhiu before this House. The Congress Party Pradesh. It seems to pie that this Bill instead of maintaining the unity and inte- which encourages Mylkn> and non Mulkis grity of Andhra Pradesh have thought it in one State is perhaps the socialist view fit to disintegrate it. This is regrettable of the Congress party. According to this Let us examine the 5-point formula of Bill they have put up another regional ihe Prime Minister. We all know about Committee in rivalry to already existing the 8-point formula. This 5-point for- regional committee. I could not u ider- mula has been brought about to satisfy stand bow these two regional committees the people of Andhra Pradesh but only can help in maintaining the unity of to encourage their ruling waring groups Andhra Pradesh. of Andhra Pradesh. This 5-point formula The ruling party cries from roof tops .has assumed a new form. This formula that they always want to maintain the does not help in solving the problem of unity and integrity of Andhia Pradesh. unemployment or the backwardness of But judging by the recent disturbances Andhra Pradesh. (Interruption) Let us in Andhra Pradesh it is very dear that examine the circumstances under which this Bill did not help in maintaining the this Bill has come about. Andhra Pra- unity of Andhra Pradesh. It only helps desh has been called the grancry of the in disintegrating it. South But today it is effected by drought conditions and threatened famine. It is I want to mention the most shameful a very backward Mate. It occupies the and disgraceful act of the Congress Gov- 5th place in the matter of population but ernment. What is the source of this Bill. in the matter of industry this occupies The ruling party always says that it is the 10th place. Among the students lakhs wedded to socialism but this bill only of students are unemployed and there aie revives the old feudal tenets of Nizam of so many about the Streets. For all these Hyderabad. The Congress party have things the ruling party is responsible used the Mulki rules which existed 50 They run counter to the aspirations of the yearu back to suit their own purpose and people of Andhra Pradesh and endanger let us see as to why the Nizam of Hydera- its unity. This is hpw this 5-point for- bad introduced this Mulki rules. The mula has come about But we should Nizam introduced these Mulki njles, only examine, whether this Bill helps in main- to accentuate differences between Andhra, taining the integritv and unity of Andhra Maharashtra, Karnataka. He wanted to Pradesh. No, it doc; not help in it. In stop the migration of the people of Andhra one word I can say that this 5-point for- Pradesh to other States. This Congress mula has only enflaraed the passions of party have revived these rules only for Andhra Pradesh. Even the State Govern- their own purpose. Prima facte this Bill ment ,were so divided into two warring is a out moded Bill. This is a shameful groups and they are settling it on the and disgraceful Bill. streets. Sir, I want to mention the political Sir, it is really establishing to find that implications of this Bill. This Bill only "the Congress Party is laying that 5-point encourages the waring groups of the rul- formula of the Prime Minister is a panacea ing party in Andhra Pradesh- Mrs. Indira for the ills of Andhra Pradesh. This is Gandhi has brought forward this Bill only a blessing. to maintain the prestige of (he Congress party. This Bill does not help in the It is misleading on the part of the unity of Andhra Pradesh but only helps tSovernment to say that this Bill which the ruling groups of Andhra Pradesh. «ncouraged regionalism to the worse possible limits is a Bill which will1 do good They are setting up one regional com- to the people of Andhra Pradesh. The mittee after Another regional committee to Government have only taken an oppor- suit their own ends. It is really hard to . tuajst view of the problem and hav« uti- think as to Jbow unity can be brought lised to serve its own ends. It is the dwty about as a result of this Bill Again we 231 Mulki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21, 1972 Mulki Rulei BUI 232. find in this Bill an exception has been two waring groups and they have encourag- in the case of Hyderabad. This does not ed regionalism and separatism. They axe. help in improving the welfare of the responsible for these disturbances. They people. This Bill only helps in maintain- want to destroy the unity of Andhra Pra- ing the power of the ruling party, {inter desh. ruptions) We have got our own views on Sir, Shri P. V. Narasimha Rao. Shri this problem but you have got no courage B. V. Subba Reddy is leader of another to accept the suggestions offered by us. group. Both of them are faithful allies It is well known that Andhra Pradesh of the Prime Minister and both of them and Telengana are backward States. Some are still Ministers. They want to create time back I wrote a letter to Mrs. Indra separate States for themselves to suit their Gandhi asking her whether she is pre- own purpose. (Interruptions) People who pared to give all possible assistance to> supported separatism some time back have the backward areas of Andhra Pradesh turned integratist and people who support- and Telengana. She has replied stating ed integration some time back have turned that I need not worry when the Central separatists. These tactics are puerly Government will take all possible steps *o for the sake of power only. For the sake remove the backward region of Andbra of power these groups are spreading dis- and Telengana. The Central Government content among the people of Andhra are not prepared to promote the welfare and enflame their passions. This political of the 41 crores of people of Andhra gamble is against all canons of propriety Pradesh and improve the backward region, and politics. But Mr. Indira Gandhi has of the State. supported this because she belongs to the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Reddy Congress party which is a ruling party. If I want to say in one word the people you please speak on the Bill all generali- of Andhra Pradesh have been held to ran ties. some by these ruling groups in Andhra AN HON. MEMBER: He is speaking Pradesh only the people are suffering as a result of this and nobody else. (Inter on the Bill Sir. ruption). I want to state that even ruling SHRI B. N. REDDY: The Central party cannot turn back wheels of history. Government should give liberal assistance They will get the punishment which is and funds for the development of back- due to them. We all know how the- ward regions of Andhra Pradesh. Take Nizam of Hyderabad has been taught a concrete steps to remove unemployment, severe lesson by the people. That State start more industries in Andhra Pradesh. has been broken up. (Interruption) Ir They should take long term steps to re- warn that this Congress Government move these problems. will also be punished in the same way as the Nizam of Hyderabad was punished by the people. I want to emphasise the 1 want to state categorically that the punishment which will be given to Con- Government of India should faithfully and gress party will be much more severe sincerely implement the 2 : 1 formula in than that. I want that these white cap- the whole of Andhra Pradesh. If you are Congress men should note this. Aa a really interested in maintaining the unity Communist party member who has shed of Andhra Pradesh you should definitely blood for the removal of the Nizam and implement 2 : 1 formula. But today that for the establishment of Vishal Andhra formula does not suit the purpose. These I am issuing this warning. I want to Mulki rules only suit your purpose. This emphasise that this 2 : 1 formula should Is a shame on the part of the Govern- be faithfully implemented. The Central ment wedded to the policy of socialism. Government should give all possible assist- ance to the backward and undeveloped In conclusion it is my duty to bring to areas and take steps to remove unemploy- your notice the political game played by ment Mrs. Indira Gandhi has given two the ruling parties in Andbra Pradesh. The months time to these waring groups to State Government has been divided into fight among themselves. I want to state 233 Mutk Ru}ei AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulkt Rules M l 234 that the 4 1)2 crores of people of Andhra is this. With the so-called radicalism, Pradesh will not forgive this Government Shri Reddy is in the same box, as some for their misdeeds and they will throw friends from Telengana who want a per- them in the Indian Ocean. This 5—point petual ‘application of the Mulki Rules, in- formula is like the formula of the monkey cluding inferior, superior and all types of settling Ibe disputes of two cats. This is jobs. all for the sake of power. Why I am supporting this Bill is that SHRI K. RAGHU RAMAIAH (Guntur): I have a moral responsibility to support Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I rise to support it There is a historical reason for it. this Bill, and I do so with a great sense The question is not whether some of my of responsibility. I will explain one rea- Andhra friends are satisfied with it. That son why I am supporting this Bill, and is not the question. The question is that that will do away with the arguments of the Prime Minister left it to us, and to my friend, Shri Reddy, of the CMP the leadeis of Andhra and Telengana, to straightway. While criticising the con- come to an agreement as to how to solve tents of the Bill, he has formulated fen this problem. We sat for days and days alternative proposition for the solution of together. I am one of those who urged the Mulki problem and that is the perpe- that the Mulki Rules should stop so far tuation of the division of the jobs bet- as the capital city is concerned, because ween Andhra and Telengana on a 2-1 we consider it a great anom’aly, by the basis for all time to come. I ask Shri year 1974 by which time the Public Em- Reddy: is it a modern conception of ployment Act, had it been in operation, Mulki-isation? While the Bill seeks to would have ended. We wanted the Mulki stop the application of the Mulki rules Rules application to Hyderabad capital to Hyderabad city by the year 1977 and city to be ended by 1974 and to the rest to the rest of Telengana by the year 1980, of area a little later, perhaps, according what my learned friend, Shri Reddy, is to whatever justiceability of the case may suggesting is a peipetual reservation of be. But we failed to arrive at an agree- one-third of the seats for all times to ment. It is the utmost tragedy that we cpme. If this is what you call integra- ta.lcd to arrive at an agreement. tion of & State, by socialism, democracy and modernisation, I do not know what Then, all of us went to the Prime Min- you me.in by these words. 1 am only ister and requested her to make an adju- making the point that whether the propo- dication on the issue. When she has given sal mentioned in the Bill is satisfactory a decision, whether I may like it or not, or not, it is certainly much more satis- whether it is in consonance with what I factory than the alternative which the feel is correct or not, I for one feel moral- CMP has suggested, which means in effect ly bound to follow the decision that she the perpetuation of the Mulki lules for has given. all times to come. I know that some of my friends from Telengana want the per- 1 will say one thing more here. The petual application of the Mulki rules. people who ate now asking . (interrupt uons). I am the man on whose question SHRI S. B GIRI (Warangal): We do Pandit Nehru announced the formation not want perpetual Mulki rule at all. We of Andhra State. I have fought many do not want a dispute within the State. bottle—-many battles .(Interruptions). .1 We want a separate Telengana...... have faced many bottles on my he’ad; I (Interruptions). am a fighter and T have fought many battles. I feel this is a case where I must ' SHRI K. RAGHU RAMAIAH; I am tell the public my point of view boldly not saying that he is in the same box with and state what it is. Shri Reddy___( interruption»). I am not yielding. Let me finish my speech. Who has started the ball rolling? The The point (hat I am trying to make out Mulki Rules is a bad thing. But who Mulki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21, 1972 Mulki Rules Bill 236 [Shri K. Raghu RamaiabJ state of affairs there. If somebody wants started them? 1 find one of the signato- to create trouble, that is the best way. ries to the gentleman's agreement is Mr. Latchanna, the leader of the “Separate 'Sir, the movement has spread not only Andhra” movement Where was the need? to the villagers but to all the kttelttgentsia If you say that Mulki Rules is a sin. if of the Andhra country, the lawyers, the you say that reservation of jobs is a sin, doctors the engineers the students and what the separatists are saying now, and the officers—Gazetted and non-Gazetted. I agree, I may say it is the same Mr. Why has it spread? Let us think it over? Latchanna, the leader of the movement Why has it spread? This is where I would who subscribed to the 1956 gentleman's like my Telengana friends to ponder over. agreement which contains all these tilings. I would like to have their co-operation in (Interruptions). I ask: Have you had the this respect because it is you and I.... courage all these years to condemn all (Interruptions.) It is tragic that some of this? Now you want to fish in troubled our Telengana friends who were onoe for waters. Have you had the guts all these integration are now for bifurcation, of years to come forward to say what hap- course some others who were previously pened in Andhra so far is wrong? You for bifurcation are now integrationists. have taken full advantage of it Now, But, Sir, I have always been for integra- because we are in difficulty, you want to tion. I fought for Andhra, I fought for fish in it. Visala Andhra and I if I can now save this Visafa Andhra, I would like to do so. As I said, I am not one of those who think that this kind of reservation is good. Now, the point is: What is the cause I am of the opinion that it was bad, but for so much agitation in Andhra? And it was bad ab initio. Now the Bill seeks this will give a due to what more should this reservation by a certain date. Hence be done. They feel that they are second- my support for the Bill. class citizens in their own capital city. I must place it before you. If you ask any Andhra gentleman who is staying in At the same time, while supporting the Hyderabad, he will tell you, ‘My son can Bill, 1 say that I am doing it with a heavy get a job in the Bombay Corporation but heart. I come from an area where only not here. My son can get a job any- recently 30 innocent lives were lost. There where else but not in Hyderabad. My was indiscriminate firing. I would like son can get admission into any college in to pay my tribute to the memory of those the Madras University but he cannot get innocent lives which* were lost only re- admission in the Osmania University at cently. I come from an area where the Hyderabad. ” agitation at the moment is at the highest pitch. The people are very much agitat- SHRI MURASOLI MAR AN (Madras ed about it. But I would like to say South): We axe happy about it. why. I would explain to you why the people 'are feeling that something more SHRI K. RAGHU RAMAIAH: ...My should be done in order to make this son cannot get a job in my own capital Bill acceptable to the people. I too hum- city. These are some of the burning is- bly submit that something more has to sues . It is no use to hide the facto. How be done. It is my duty to place that long tore you going to put up with it? before this august House. And, what is On the top of it, in many of the districts that something to be done? But before of Telengana, I am sorry to say, feelings 1 do so, 1 woufd like to make it clear are running so high—I do not know if I that this kind of agitation in the Andhra should do—but I must tell the iacts with State is not caused by landlords as some the hope that my Telengana friends will hon. Members are laying. This kind of do everything possible to bring down the a light treatment «f the problem is the temperature there. Sir, in the Telengana surest way of acoaatinting the sorrowful districts there is a virtual social boycott 337 Mulkl Rufes M l AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Rules Bill 238 of the Andhra people. No peons to help Andhra ah in the case of Bihar, U.P., My- the ofticeis, the clerks do not put up the sore and m> many other States. What is fiies. Students go 'and say, “Get out of the crime which wc have committed that this place. This is not for you.’ My for all time to come there must be a Telengarta friends, if they want this inte- State within a State? grated State to continue.... About the regional council, whatever may be the origins of the regional coun- SHRJ S. B. GIRL We do not want. cil, they have made a great mistake, a tremendous mistake The other day in the SHRI K. RAGHU RAMAIAH: If you regional council meeting in Hyderabad •do not want, you go away. This is our many of the MLAs met there. They had State m l we are going to keep it whe- that forum. The Andhra MLAs had no ther you like it or not and I say---- forum. Of course, you may say, it is a (Interruptions). Not only that t .. minor matter. It is not minor matter. It is a psychological matter. There is no SHRI S. B. GIRI Wc did not know forum. Sir, for the Andhra Members to your attitude at that time ... (Interrup meet and express their opinion, to state tions)f. their point of view on the Bill, to makv representations separately while the Telen- SHRI K. RAGHU RAMAIAH: Better gana Members, could meet in thir own fo- you can walk out. Sir, 1 have given him rum. Andhra Members could not hav* an escape. even that forum. I would request the Prime Minister to Sir, betides this now there are certain realise one aspect. I appeal to her in all vestiges of a State within a State. Of humility and say that the movement in course, there may be certain historical Andhradesa is not confined to one dis- reasons But I am not going into that trict; the movement in Andhradesa is not ^Again. There is a separate Regional confined to the landlords; the movement Council. There is a separate Budget. Te- in Andhrtulesa is not confined to one area chnically you may not call it a separate or district, but it is spread over all the budget. Actually, there is a separate cal- districts of Andhra and they have got culation—for instance milk is produced their own legitimate grievances. It is not and manufactured in Vijayawada but be- as though they are against an integrated cause it is sold in Hyderabad the sales State. If anybody says they are not for in- tax, paid in Hyderabad goes to the credit tegrated State, I am not prepared to of Telengana. There is thus separate ac- accept that. The Ministers who resigned counting—two sheets actually. There bre talk of integiated State. In the latest two sheets of paper. Where the electri- statement hey say, if certain conditions city is generated the costs of manufacture are satisfied, if certain clarifications are must go to that account and where it is given, they will stand by the integrated consumed, it must come into ttys account. State. We have seen some of the letters There are so many items like that. This by some of my colleagues here. They is not a very healthy state of affairs. It say, they are for an unconditional inte- is a State within a State to have a sepa- grated State. Certain sections of people rate budget, to have a separate regional treating others as second class citizens. council, etc. The Chief -Minister is now Sir, it is this atmosphere that must be from Telengana. People say, and justi- changed. This Bill is a step in the right fiably say, in such a situatipn what is the direction. need for a State within a State. I appeal to the Prime, Minister to help us to re- You may agree with the date or you move also such last vestiges of a State rnfcy suggest another date. Somebody else within, a State at ,her own time, but as may suggest an immediate ending. But quickly as possible, to see that there is in the circumstances in which this Bill has only a single Budget for the whole of come about, I certainly believe, this is a 239 Mulki Ruks m DECEMBER 21, 1972 Mulki Rules am [Shri K. Raghu Ramaiah] But what happens to the expenditure? step in the right direction. But the other That is where I would like you to see obstacles to integration must go too. the anomaly. If Rs. 36 crores is the ex- penditure on Hyderabad city, the Andhras We shall leave it to the Prime Minister bear Rs. 24 crores of the expenditure... to find a way out as to how to remove the other various obstacles also standing SHRI S. B. GIRI: It is wrong.... (In in the way of integration It h true we terruptions). have waited all these years, for 16 long years, and the« SHRI S. B. GIRI. By looting the Te- of Andhra Pradesh and the solution which- lengana people------(Interruptions). he has given for the unification of An- dhra Pradesh is not acceptable to me- SHRI K. RAGHU RAMAIAH: You The 2:1 formula enunciated by Mr. Reddy have taken full advantage of this for six- does not help in the matter. This for- teen yean. For this sorry state of affairs, I mula only relates according to population am not one of those who blame X, Y or figures but Telengana has got a long history Z. I think that every Andhra and every behind it which requires something more. citizen of Andhra Pradesh is responsible There are certain backward areas in for this, and it must be the joint effort of Telengana and therefore it is absolutely all of us to bring our intelligence together, necessary to give essential safeguards our brains together, our patriotism toge- concessions for those areas. Protection is ther, our sense and love of an integrated the method of integration. Hence it be- State together and see how best, how comes necessary in the interest of na- soon, how quickly and how honourably tional integration to give safeguards to end this 'and to give that sense of and protection to all the backward and equality which the people of Andhra Pra- di ought effected areas, scheduled castes desh so badly need. and scheduled tribes in this respect. There is no other ulterior motive in giving such In the end, again, I would like to pay safeguards to these classes. I also oppose in all humility my tribute to those inno- the Mulki rules as they 6tand. They are cent lives which have been lost in the medieval, out dated and obstructionist. But recent scuffle, in the recent firing, un- at the time of formation of Andhra Pra- necessary and unjustified firing by the desh necessary concessions and safe- police. I have asked and other Andhra guards were given by the Andhra leaders friends and MPs have tasked for a judicial although nobody accepted the Mulki rules, inquiry into it I hope the Chief Minis- to the Telengana area because of its back- ter of Andhra Pradesh would have the wardness. It is only with this backward- courtesy and the rationality of appointing ness in mind the Telengana region a high judicial officer to go into these was g.ven some concession. In this con- tragic things and see that such a situa- nection I completely endorse the views tion does not recur. expressed by Shri K. Raghu Ramaiah. But in regard to his assessment of the ♦SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY (Cudda- situation in Andhra and the role of land- pah): Mr. Deputy Speaker, this Bill is a lords I fully disagree with him. I will belated one. Although this is a belated come to him later on. Bill and that is inexcuseable, this Bill is to be welcomed. But it requires some modi- fications and clarifications. If this Bill During the past 2} months so much has been suitably modified and further disturbances have taken place in Andhra improved then it would have been much Pradesh. There has been a spate of agi- better lnspite of the fact there is inex- tations, hartals, processions and demons- cuseable delay on the part of the Govern- trations. On November 21, 25 to 30 in- ment to bring forward this Bill, this Bill nocent perons were killed as a result of deserves to be welcomed. This Bill would police firing, 1 take this opportunity to go a long way to keep the unity and inte- offer my heartfelt condolences to them. grity of Andhra Pradesh if some more 1 also request the Andhra Pradesh Gov- satisfactory explanations follow it during ernment to institute a judicial inquiry into the discussion. the causes of these disturbances. Inspite of the fact that there have been persistent I am not inclined to agree with Mr. demands from the people of Andhra Pra- B. N. Reddy, who has just stated before desh to institute inquiries into these dis- me that this Bill does not help in the unity turbances, the Andhra Government has T h e original speech was deliverel in Telugu. Mulki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21, 1972 Mulki Mules Mill 244 {Shri Y, Eswara Reddy] welfare of the poor people, rural and ur- not taken any action. I am sorry they ban and the agriculturists, etc. Their have not done it. I hope atleast now they needs have nothing to do with this Mulki will older a judicial inquiry taking into business. As the Congress Party could not account the sentiments of the people of come to the decision quickly and properly Andhra Pradesh reactionary elements landlords and com- munalists took over the situation, became Who is responsible for these disturban- its leaders and made it worse and disrup- ces9 I lay the blame squarely on the tive. shoulders of the Congress party and the Congi css Government. When disturban- In these circumstances the Andhra ces ate going on foi the past 2} months Congress Parliament Members could not it is a great pity that the Andhra Pradesh give a helping hand to the Central Gov- Government was divided. The Cabinet ernment. Some of them wanted to have was divided to the point of regionalism. their own pound of flesh under the cover- ing of integration. The grand alliance As soon as the judgment of the Supreme which was routed in 1971 also took ad- Court came the first statement made by vantage of the situation. They brought the Chief Minister that finality has been forward unrealisable demands The Jan reached was very provocative. Its finality Sangh, the Swatantra and the Syndicate has been ditched. Everybody in Andhra Congrefss, the landed agriculturists all Pradesh felt unhappy about it. It is re- these people took leadership of these dis- gretable that without understanding the turbances The most pitiable phenome- social, economic and political implications non in these disturbances is that the grand and without any forethought of its repur- alliance has taken a new shape in the form cussions such a Statement has been made of extreme right, and extreme left It is by the Chief Minister. As regards, the a very dangerous development ^decision of the Supreme Court nobody come out explaining what the judgment SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE really means. Thus misled and misinfor- You arc in alliance with them. med, the students and unemployed youth suddenly and naturally too felt that they have no chance of employment and they SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY- The diff- have no future. Even non-gamted emp- erence between 1971 and now is that the loyees felt like that. These things are Congress Party was united at that time but mainly due to the fact that the Congress now it is ncrt The Syndicate leaders had Party and the Minister could not take a no base previously in Andhra Pradesh decision at the appropriate time. The but it is ^god-sent opportunity for them Ministers were only shuttling and planes to exploit the students and other classes here and there The landed gentry com- for their benefit and they did it to their munalists vested interests and disgruntled hearts content. (InterruptionQ. elemens who were waiting in the wings for such opportunities took charge of the 1 am pained to see that even some «ituation and increased the discontent leaders of the Nehru Forum also—(Inter among the people. They took the situa- ruption). I did not say that whole Nehru tion to alarming dimensions and spread Study Forum, but only some members, regionalism to the worst possible extent. some leaders of the forum— Reasonable regional aspirations were turned into disruptive regional anta- SHRI VIKRAM MAHA7AN: Then, gonisms. why don’t you say “some members of the Congress?” In this keen conflict, there has been no- thing pertaining to the interests of the 80 SHRI R. D. BHANDARE; If it is the per cent of the Andhra people. This official policy of the Nehru Forum then conflict has nothing to contribute to the you can accuse us. 245 Mulki Rules Bill AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Rules Bill 246 AN. HON. MEMBER; Bring in Mos- and by setting up of more industries. cow, These Mulki rules will not solve the prob- lem of Andhra Pradesh. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY: Forum periodically called by the name of the In Andlna Pradesh another issue has late revered Nehru. While Nehru was been taken up and that is the categorisa- alive, he suffered a lot from these sorts of tion of first class citizcns and second class people. I request them all: why don’t they citizens who are second class citizcns? at least allow him to rest in peace in the The people of Telangana are of the opinion other world? Why do you take his name thot inspite of safeguards to them like and do all these things? Mulki rules regional Committee ctc., they think they are second class citizens be- SHRI R. D. BHANDARE. You arc cause the Andhra Assembly is dominated also doing the same thing. by Andhra Pradesh by the proportion of 2:1. In the same way people of Andhra SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY: As re- Vradesh are made to feel that they are se- sult of these disturbances the future of cond class citizens because of the Mulki the four and a half crores people of rules and inspite of the fact they have a Andhra Pradesh, who were once the pri- commanding majority in the State Assem- soners of formation of linguistic States, bly. But both of them are not correct. has become bleak and black. The landed agriculturists, factory owners and other richer classes of people whe- The root cause of this whole problem ther they belong to Andhra or Telengana are the first class c'ti/ons The second is extreme and serious unemployment for the present. There are a few opportuni- class citizens arc the poor p.-ople and the workers whvulvr they belong to Andhra or ties for educated and uneducated. Even if you take the per capita incomc it is Telengana. Whether w>u take the case very low. But if you take the population of employment or admission to colleges below poverty line, Andhra Pradesh tops and universities or any work from the the list having more than 40 per cent while official it is only the fust class citizcns in Punjab it is only 20 per cent. As of both these regions who get these bene- regards the unemployed figures supplied fits and not the poor classes who are ac- tually treated as second class citizens in last September the number of educated unemployed three lakhs sixty thousand, both the regions. We have been giving out of which one lakh 20 thousand arc certain safeguards to Telengana in 1956. 1969 and also the 8-point formula. To Matrics and 26 thousands are Graduates. think that bccause of their safeguards giv- Therefore we find unemployment situation en by us, we have become second cl.iss in Andhra is very serious and alarming citizcns, is a mistake. and these Mulki Issue has been taken ad- vantage of to create more fears and des- People are speaking of the bifurcation pair. of Andhra Pradesh. If so, I want to emphasise that necessary safeguards should The youth of Andhra Pradesh think be given to the development of Rayala- that the Mulki rules are the cause of their seema which is a chronically backward unemployment and people of Telangana and drought affected area of Andhra Pra- think that with Mulki rules alone their desh before bifurcation takes place. In unemployment problem will be solved. this connection I want to state the things Assessment of both are not correct. Enor- which have happened since independence mity of unemployment problem is due to even as late as 1937 the Sri Bagh Pact has the lade of sufficient number of indus- given plans to give priorities for the deve- tries and projects in Andhra Pradesh and lopment of Rayalaseema and alsfo a sepa- the backwardness of the State. Employ- rate High Court for Rayateseema, etc., ment can be increased only by creating and if the landlords of coaital Afcdhra more job opportunities, rural and urban think1 then- that 'they are second class" citi- ■247 Mulki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21, 1972 Mulki Rules Bill 248 (Shri Y. Eswara Reddy.) to be shifted from Hyderabad. When .zcns in that bifurcated Andhra State what that happens its construction itself costs will be the fate of Rayalaseema people us fifty crores of rupees. We have also to Therefore, this ionception of second attend to the needs of backward districts class citizenship is not correct. In unity of Visakhapatnam and Srikakulam. Al- alone our salvation lies and solution of our ready we are bankrupt and if we have to problems. spend such a large amount of money on the capital itself where and when will we Andhra Pradesh is rich in natural re- progress. The progress will be completely sources and it has got a long coastal line. retarded. Inspite of the fact that we have There is Visakhapatnam port, Kothagu- spent for a good purpose an amount of dam mines, Telengana industries and the 180 crores of rupees on Nagarjuna Sagar rivers of Godaveri, Krishna, Pannar and Project, it has its regions effect on deve- Tung Bhadra. Every effort should be lopment of backward areas already for the taken to tap these resources and increase past 10 years. production and prosperity. Then only we can solve the problem of unemployment, The transfer of assets is another head- backwardness and drought conditions of ache. If we think of these problems our Andhra Pradesh. There are no other al- hearts cease to beat. The future of An- ternatives to solve these problems. I am dhra Pradesh will be sealed and doomed. coming to the last point. If Andhra re- gion is separated it will become the play- I have got great respect for Shri B. V. ground of casteism and communalism. Subba Reddy, Shri P. Basi Reddy. They We can see it from the classes and elements arc the elders of Rayalseema. One is the who have entered into this arena of con- Chairman of Rayalseema Conference and flict now? It is only the landed agricul- the other was President of the Rayalseema turists and new rich classes of society. Planning and Development Board. Some There is no doubt that there are genuine persons have expressed misgivings about grievances for the students and the unemp- ure of Rayalseema if a separate loyed youth. But it is only these richer Andhra State is formed. But these two classes only that have twisted these prob- persons have charged them as opportunists lems and had spread their discontent in and selfseekers. I am not prepared to wrong direction to suit their selfishness. agree with them in this respect. As they It is very clear that it is only the rich are my elders, I am not prepared to landlords who have taken over the leader- speak in the same vein as they spoke. ship of these agitations. The rich land- lords of Vuyyuru, Challapalli, Tanku, and If a separate State of Andhra Pradesh also the sugar barons of Andhra Pradesh is formed we want to ask specific ques- are personally leading these processions tions in the light of past experience of and have financed and cncouraged these Rayalaseema, what about capital and what disturbances Nobody can deny this. about the quota of our services? The Those landlord elements are their politi- future of 80 lakhs people of Rayalaseema cians who tried to obstruct every progres- is dependent on Krishna river waters and sive aspect of the rccent land-ceiling Bill if the water of the Krishna should come have joined this agitation and encourag- to Rayalaseema it can come only when ing them so as to gain time and save the Godavari waters are let down into their surplus lands. If there is bifurca- Krishna. Only then the problem of fa- tion of the State we have to face many mine in Rayalaseema will be solved. This problems. Bifurcation will not solve the Godaveri is in Telengana and only when the problems of Andhra Pradesh. Along the people of Telengana will agree to this with the problem of capital so many other scheme this water will oome to Rayala- problems arise. Now the slogan is for an seema. Coming to the provisions of Mulki unconditional Andhra Pradesh, if not, se- rules I want to emphasise that these should parate Andhra State, If such a Andhra not be extended beyond 1977 and 1980 and State is formed then the capital will have out of three posts it should be made dear 249 Mulki ^ l e s Bill AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Rules Bill 2$0 that two posts should be reserved for SHRIMATI T. LAKSHMIKANTHAM- Andhra region and not left in vague terms. MA (Khammam): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, This should be made clear. I want an Sir, I am a Mulki by birth and non- assurance about educational facilities in Mulki by marriage. So. I think I have the city? If the State Government have a right to stop the quarrel between bro- *got no funds to carry out the schemes of thers and plead with them for the unity education then the Central Government of the State. ■should help them in this respect. There is also the Rayalseema Planning and De- I thank our beloved Prime Minister for velopment Board. It is only an advisory giving a solution within the framework of an integrated State. Andhra can pro- body and it has not got sufficient funds. gress—the Telugu-speaking people can Every effort should be made to give full progress, I would say, if some people have assistance to this Board for the develop- an allergy for the word ‘Andhra*—and ment schemes and for eradication of fa- go hand in hand towards development, ra- mine. This Board should be made a Sta- Autory body. pid industrialisation and socialism only if there is one united State. Unity is strength. If we separate, the strength will disappear. According to 5-point formula of the Prime Minister it has been stated that some For the past four years Andhra Pia- mechanism will be* created. T want to know de&h has been witnessing such regional what is this mechanism and in what res-i bitterness which has hampered the progress pects it will founction The Government of the State. The Mulki rules issue has should take into consideration the views affected the Telengana region for the past expressed in their talk with all the Mem- four years and there is once again that emo- bers of Parliament from Andhra Prade&h tional pattern in that part of the Andhra and state the concessions proposed to be region. For want of time, I cannot go given. We should do our best to main- into the details of the agitations on both tain the unity and integrity of Andhra sides. But it will be seen that the modm Pradesh and not give encouragement to operand! and the motivation of Ihe agita- separatist tendencies only in unity lies the tion present an extremely instructive study. strength and the development of the The students and the NGOs first *tart State. it. Then the politicians are there to ex- ploit it. After 60 years of agitation in Andhra The Mulki rule has been described as area and after 30 years of agitation in a terrible demon. Some of the Jan Sangh Telengana, Andhra Pradesh came into members say that ‘Mulki’ means ‘Muslim* existence. In those days some thousands and Shrimati Indira Gandhi is fond of ■of Communist Party workers in Telengana Muslims and Mulkis. This is the propa- who agitated against the. Razakars and ganda they are carrying on It is depict- demanded visalandhra died a herioc death. ed as a demon, an epidemic, a calamity Even in those days many fiom the Cong- and a cur9e. In fact, a Mulki is describ- ress Party opposed these developments. ed as everything except what it is. Shri After Visalandhra was achieved it came Mirdha has just now said that all the pre- under the rule of Congress Party. But Constitution legislations are survived by the Congress Party instead of devoting its virtue of article 35B, The Mulki rules attention to the development of Andhra obviously require legislation by Parlia- Pradesh and its emotional integration, en- ment in order to be implemented in the couraged these separatist tendencies. As spirit in which they are embodied in the a result of this mis-rule of the Congress Public Employment Act of 1957. It is party this Visalandhra’ has been converted also clear that article 16(3), which pro- into a *Vishadandhra\ I appeal to them hibits legislation prescribing residential res- not to inflict further damage by bifurcat- trictions, does not apply to the present ing it legislation for the simple reason that this 251 Mulki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21, 1972 Mulki Rules Bill (Shrimati T. Lakshmikantharnma.) What happened? The Central Bank of Bill docs not prescribe any restriction It Guntur is located in Tenali. 1 particular acutally abridges the restriction already gentleman who belongs to the other existing. House—I cannot mention names—is the President. He sits there (or a few days. I want to s&y one thing about the Another Swatantra Party member alio- unity of the State. This is not one days sits there. Lakhs of rupees aie collected affair. It is a thousand years’ harvest. in the name of demon of land reforms. The formation of Andhra Pradesh, the These are the people who have lost power. unity of Telugu-speaking people, with a Ultimately, it is a power game and others history of three thousand years, is a thou- are just pawns in the chess—the students, sand years* harvest. How can you just the NGOs, the innocent people there. say, we want to get separated; we want What happened then? All the liquor shops to get separated; we want to get separated. were kept open. Certainly, an inquiry Like Jinnah, with sowrds in their hands, should be made into that. Why were the these did Ministeis who have above 70 liquor shops kept open? When there is years’ age, cannot divide the State The a bund on that day, when all other *>hops future is for the younger generation of were closed, why weie the liquor shops Andhra Pradesh. kept open’ Why were they drunk? Why was so much money spent? Why were In those days, they used to sing a love- they asked to go in a procession and ly, a beautiful song; Mother of the Te- attack the i ail way station? lugu-speaking people with jessamine gar- lands round your neck, with Krishna, Godhavari and Tunghabhadra and Pinekmi, The students aie our futuie cneiauon we bow to Thee. Where is that spirit, The railways belong to them Wo ma> die that attachement, that affection, for the tomorrow, wc arc after ail old The people of one culture, one language, thirs- Ministers who have resigned are older. ting for the unity? When Andhra Pra- Is the 5-point formula the reason for it? desh became one, when the Telugu-spcak- The 5-point formula of the Prime Minis- ing people joined as one State on 1st ter has been welcomed by 85 per cent of November, 1956, it was like the rivers the people, as Mr Eswara Reddy himself joining the occan, knowing no bounds said.. (Interrupt ions) I fou?U with Everyone knows it. you also at that time on the floor of the House. But I succeeded, not vou Today for political reasons, the man is so selfish that for his own personal ends, What happened at Ongole? There was he sacrifices everything. I agree with a firing. Early morning, one jeep goes my hon. friend, Shri Raghu Ramaiah, in round and says, “Oh’ Brother Andhras, saying that we should pay our tribute are you still sleeping? The people of to the memory of those who have lost Andhra are burnt with peitol in Hyderabad. their lives and sympathise with the bereav- Get up. get up” This is the slogan Who ed families, and also the Cabinman who has done it? Let an inquiry be made into was burnt alive by the hooligans. There it. An ex-Mmister was present at Gugole was violence and damage caused to the at that time. We know what things are. railway property. Mr. Mirdha was at- (Interrruptions) What about your Andhra tacked. He did not say on his own. I Mahasabha, the unholy alliance of the was present at Guntnr on that day. As Swatantra Party, the people who have I said, I am the daughter-in-law of Gun- come into Congress, not even one month tur. I have every right to go there. If back? Why should we take such people. they want to kill me, I am prepared to I think, we should not take them. The be killed for it. He did not say anything Swatantra Party, the Ian Sangh and what on his own. I was present there. The dot, alf kind* ctf parties Are bent upofln things were manipulated. creating trouble.. .(Interruptions'! By 253 Mulki Rules B,u AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAK Q Mulki Rule* Bill 254 the time the Deputy Chief Minister re- After all they are innocent lives and we signs---- disruptions) Tlicy have filled want to build castles on the graves and up all the Presidents' posts. It is not on the blood of these people and it is one President, it is a Presidum, so many wrong, and the students are not going Presidents. You take any number because to allow it. you do not know who is going to be the Chief Minister of the future would-be With regard to the NGOs’ agitation, the Andhra. This is what has happened. five-point formula has done good both to Andhra and Telengana. As far as Sir, here is a letter of threat I must Telangana is concerned, no v gazetted posts congratulate the MLAs that m spite of the upto the level of Tehsildar and the House threats they arc getting hardened day by Surgeon will be filled by Telangana peo- day. It is not correct to say that they ple. So, the bulk of the posts go to are not going to their constituencies. Telengana. Otherwise, the Mulki Rule was They are ‘/oing. Sir, the Andhra Ratna only upto 5 years but it has now been ex- Bhavan where the meeting was held is to- tended as per the Prime Minister’s five- day in the possession of Congressmen, not point formula It would have ended in those who have deserted and who like 1974 but the Prime Minister has extends! cowards could not carry the message to it till 1980 ‘.n the districts in ihe capi- the people. I asked one Minister, ‘Why tal till 1977. Three years is nothing ;n have you resigned?’ The reply was: ‘Peo- the history of a State. If yon want to ple are sending bangles." I said, ‘They maintain the unity of a Sute, thtcc years aie insulting bangles. People wearing is nothing. I understand the feelings of bangles have fought battles like the great my Andhra friends. They want the Jhjnsi Ki Rani. So. do not insult bangles ownership because when they go to Bom- by vending them'. Sir, cowards die everv bay. when they go to other places whci day but a heroic man dies only once So, everybody feels that it is his capital, the let the cowards in thousands Jive or die. feeling is genuine. It is understandable. Ti is immaterial for us. We will face the After all. this State came into being under people We will carry (he torch of so- an agreement to which they all agreed tnd cialism to the people, may be, with one that the Mulki rule will be there till 1974. weapon that has been used, the land re- Now, it is extended upto 1977. Onlv forms, to which they arc all opposed. three years. Three years is nothing i>i the history of a country. After all. cvei One day. Mr. Subba Reddy comes and m human lives, thiee years is nothing say , 1 support the formula and I wcl- * come it’ Next day he changes. Sir, per- haps something must be wrong with their MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon minds. After all age also counts, wi»si Member’s time is up. There arc so many all respect to them. How should we under- speakers from her Party. stand it? How should the people under- stand it? The five-point formula was wel- SHRIMAT1 T. 1 AKSHMIKAN THAM- comed by many people. 80 per cent of MA: The Press, the 100! pres, I would the students of Telengana have supported call it. it is really a loot press, has been it. In Andhia the students try to under- coming out with wiong reports and fann- stand it because the students from Andhra ing the flames. I do not know fot what1 came to Hyderabad. They said, We w’U Th^y have been giving all wrong infor- rot allow ourselves to be used as pawns mation. The integrationists also have in the political game. le t us thrash it held meetings. The Congress MLAs out. It is a matter concerning our future held a meeting supporting the five-poinl and the future of Telangana’. When they formula and the Communists also sup- came what happened The erstwhile ported it and held a meeting, but nothing separatists and the erstwhile integrationists comes in their press. Sir, if you make a sent rowdies to molest there students and statement, it does not come in t‘>eir Press. so Police protection had to be given to The Chief Minister gave a press interview. them. We cannot blame the students. That did not come up in the Press. Even 3020 LS—9 255 Muiki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21, 197'2 Mulki Rules Bili [Shrimati T. Lakshmikanthamma.] MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: These ar~ ore sentence did not come in the Pre~s. the broad indications, it does not mean ThC' Chief Minist.!r is a small person for we shall go mechanically with them; we ~ tl c Press magnates. He is following the will see as we proceed with the business. socialist path. I appeal t:J the N .G .Os. Mr. Giri I find your name is here. Now Bu1k of them come from poor families. Mr. Jagannath Rao Joshi. Why should they not understand the situa- tion? Let them not participate in this ~T ~·lf·~n~ ~T ~ *m sfrft f 1 tt*t tft ^r#r?T srrw st%?r % fa f^FRi »r^t' ^ w\t. 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DEPUPTY-SPEAKER: It does not solve my problem. 2Ti% i I 3$ ?ftn TOnV 4 TfT, W ^ tnp 'ERT SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JO SHI: It frtVft, w fa sw r 1 does not solve my problem either. There 1 arc so many people unnecessarily dragging the Jan Sangh for nothing. I hnve to MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Thi«» is the mand similar States, what sin have we decision of the House, not just the recom- unity of the country. mendation of the Business Advisory Com- mittee, that 4 hours should be allotted for this. You conclude now. Members fa*$ v* 37 unvreh £t $ fa wg can make effective speeches in ten minutes. spr**rFsr xftr Stofaw *fr VI do not know why they cannot do it. cff %ST 5Pf tpeff Wh' gf srjmfr | ir?ft «TTcf I t Iff fa?5 ^r 9TW #ft «r*r$rw v v aftsft : 3w r e r h'{t t fa TT^r «TiiTT r r tnp r m | ^ f I ^3tTT 5T^r WWW t, «Hcf fj fa fPW * % ^Hl'IcTK ^ sr^fr faf^r afrtwf t, r n5fp«nn Tff?rPTt «rc ^rf?n^rt WK % s* n t *frff ct^crr %, fc& x %sfr sftocfr | , ^ r w it w r c tf Jf t [«ft ar«T?rnr t t * afafQ ^ wrvft tsfi vfa 5T«r STTfT W *mr,^r far Sr fawrc % fa ^r # $r *m ***£ m $ ^ wrar 5? T ^ r *fr?r ^t, w % 5 tr TOTfT v r «raT forr «tt fa t o vt srjj’f irrarrr ^ f w % I *th v y 5ft ^sr 5*dw ft «fr, *fHT % ?r^T3r «f> 5TT5T Zf? ^ricf J fW |*? lf~ lffi [Shri Jagannath Rao] Now the Prime Minister has given the Rules and the safeguards given to the five point formula. That formula i» not people as you know, are for a limited acceptable to both sides, I think. . (In period. On these small points, should terruptions) I know pretty well that Mem- people q to be a pre->constitutional law. Now the It declares that they are in existence. We Minister claims that Parliament has power have to go to article 35(a) to gel our to enact this Bill under article 35(b). powers to enact new legislation. This is It is an incorrect statement. That is what what the jurists say clearly. 1 am quot- we said when this Bill was sought to be ing from the report of the Committee of introduced and we objected to it. Arti- Jurists on Telengana Safeguards. The cle 35(b) says: Chairman Was Mr Justice K. N. Wanchoo pt-Chief Justice of India. The other “any law in force immediately be two members werte Mr. jSeta^wad, ex- fore the commencement of the Consti- Attorney General and Mr. Niren De the tution m the territoiy of India with present Attorney General. I quote: respect to any of the matters referred to in sub-clause (i) of clause (a) oi “We have already indicated that in pioviding lor punishment for am act view of yhe interpretation placed by rcferied to m sub-clause (u) of thui the Supreme Court on article 16(3), it clause shall, subject to the terms theic is no longer possible to make any law of and to any adaptations and mo Ui or rule prescribing residential qualifica- cations tint may be uadi; therein i [Shri O. Viswanathan] posts in the Telengana area other than Commerce, Government ol Andhra Pra- the Capital area, cease it* have: effect on desh Vs. Venkata Reddy and others, the expiration of the 31st day of Decem- wherein the Court has held that section ber, 1980, and shall stand repealed on 2 of the Public Employment Act is also the expiration of that day, but such re- bad along with section 3 and that ih: peal shall not affect the validity of any Mulki rules continued in force, even ai'cr appointment previously made in pursu- the constitution of the State of Andini ance of those Rules ’’ Pradesh under the States Reorganisation Act, 1956 and are still operative. It means that we are amending the Mulki Rules and by that amendment we This means that the protection givjr. are enacting a new Act. under article 35(b) of the Constitution still continues, and as provided under MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Can you that article, the Rules ‘continue in fore'' amend something without an Act? until altered, repealed or amended by Parliament'. The assumption of the Jur- ists Committee, on which its advicc wa> SHRI G. VISWANATHAN: By amend- based, docs not hold good in the light ing the Mulki Rules, which is a pre-cons- of the latest judgment of the Suprem* titution law, we are almost enacting a new Court. law, which attracts article 16(3) and so unconstitutional. We cannot enact a new Article 35(b) of the Constitution gives law unless article 16(3) is amended, ac- powers to the Parliament to alter, repeal cording to the Supreme Court and the or modify the Mulki Rules, and the Mulhi jurists appointed by the Government of Rules Bill has been framed under this India. power. There is, therefore, nothing un- constitutional about the Bill which doc3 If the Government do not want to con- not seek to lay down any new require- sult the Attorney-General, they may refer ment as to residence in part of a State it to the Supreme Court for its opinion. for employment in public service, but pro- 1 want to know from the Minister why vides for repeal in a phased manner of they are shirking their responsibility and provisions which have continued to he why they are afraid of refeiirng it to Ihe in force under article 35fb). Attorney-General, when a unanimous de- mand has been made by all the opposition In short, their argument is that we are parties that it should be referred to the not laying down any new requirement as Attorney-General. to residence in any part of the State for Further, this Mulki Rules Bill does not employment in public service. Let me satisfy either area of Aodma except some point out that the present Bill speaks of Members, and that also when they are in- the capital area and the Telengana area, side the House. According to the Mem- both of which have been defined. To be bers from both Andhra and Telengana, 6 more specific, clause says: the situation there is explosive. Nine Congress Ministers have resigned in Andhra “The Mulki Rules shall, in so far as and they have formed an Andhra Con- they relate to appointments to Schedule gress. The army, the CRP, BSF or the posts in the Capital area, cease to have policc can control the situation, but they effect on the expiration of the 31st day cannot run the administration. Let us be of December, 1977...... ” clear on this issue. Heic it speaks of capital area and restricts The House should be convinced the peo- employment to a particular area. Then, ple should be convmccJ about the clause 7 says: five-point formula. Before convincing the “The Mulki Rules shall, in so far as people, let them convince the Congress they relate to appointments to Schedule Party. Let them do it, because it is the -273 Mulki Ruks BUl AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Rules Bill 274 major party in Andhra P ia ^ h . If they are remain as such. But our Andhra friends able to convince the Congress Members, felt that both of us should come together. Congiesi> Ministers and Congress MPs, in- The Mulki Rules were not enunciated in side and outside the House, I think it 1956. They w«?re enunciated sometime back will be acceptable to all. But. unfortu- in 1918 nately, it is not so. Before I proceed further. I would like They i-ay that this will be ending in to say that I reallv feel very sorry that 1977. I do not know whether it will be on this question manv innocent lives have possible. been lost. The railway property has been damaged, whether in this region or in that region; should not matter. It is all Is it possible to end the Mulki ours.. My hon. friend. Shri Raghu Rules* in 1977? It is a very auspicious Ramaiah, said that he offered his condo- year. The elections are there. Can you lences to the members of the bereaved go and tell the people that the Mulki families in Andhra area. I go further Rules will end when the elections are and say that we all of us from Telengana there. I want to get an assurance from offer condolences to the members of the the Government whether the Mulki Rules bereaved families in Andhra as well as will end in 1977 in Telengana. We should have no such bias We are all one. Human values Again, as far as the leadership is con- have got to be preserved. What you and cerned. it is' not strong enough to get all I are discussing here, it is shame to us the people around the table and convince that people who speak the same language them. It Ls a very weak leadership of should bring out their differences to be the Central Government. By passing this thrashed out before the Members of Par- Bill, this will not serve the situation be- liament who mav not understand clearly caust the '‘Made in Delhi” Chief Minis- any of our problems. We ourselves can ters cannot control the situation. Al- sit together and come to a certain settle- though we are in favour of the progress ment. It does not matter what time it and development of the Telugu-Speaking takes. State, ultimately, it is for the people of both the regions to decide the question. The Mulki Rules were enunciated in 1918. The British Government thought DR. G. S' MELKOTE (Hyderabad): that it was better to divide India into Mr Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I rise to make Hindu community and Muslim community, certain observations today from the anguish according to religious differences, the of my heart. The two people speaking policy of divide and rule. The then the same language Telugu, from Telengana Viceroy sent Sir Ali Imam as the Chief and Andhra, are quarrelling over certain Minister of Hyederabad State. Then, he basic issues. It is not the number of brought in an influx of Muslims from people affected in the matter of services, U.P. and, therefore, the few opportunities though it is equally important, it is not that existed for the many local Muslims any other factor, but what we in India and a few Hindus were affected. are trying to do is to enunciate certain values for the progress of our country We had very little educational facilities. in which every citizen has a part to play The facilities were very poor. The uni- A nd feel happy. versity had just come up. Even in 1947 for the whole of the dominion we had In this context, may I point out, even only three intermediate colleges, one tfter Independence, in Hyderabad, we had women's college, one university and one 1 democratic Government only for a short college affiliated to Madras University. In r>eriod. The S.R.C. came in and said 1947, the total number of students in the hat Telengana is a viable unit and can University were not even 3000-in all the 275 Mulki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21, 1972 Mulki Rules BUI 276 (Dr. S. Melkote.) to assuage the feelings and other suffici- faculties. This was the extent of our ent protection to the Telenganites resulting backwardness. One should try to under* m the gentlemen's agreement being signed stand the background of it. here. The whole area of nearly 84,000 sq. miles could have then be divided into I do not know what has happened It three parts one third of the land belonged has been a surprise to us. I want to make to Sarfkhas, that is, Noam’s own land a bold statement here today. This one-third belonged to noble-men, that is, gentlemen’s agreement entered into by Pttigahs and Jagirdurs and ibt: remaining both the groups in the respective regions one-third belonged to the people of whom and decided upon unanimously in the Reddies and Kapus dominated and who Andhra legislature in February and August, owned all the lands so that the people 1956 resulted in the enactment of Public had no land left. Educational facilities Employment Act in Parliament in 1957 were absolutely not available. Therefore, wherein all the items of the gentlemen's in 1947 we fought for ushering in a agreement do not find a proper place and democratic government in Hyderabad and they are modified. It has been tampered we got it and were getting along fairly with. By whom? I told Mr. Pant yestei- well. In that context, the Tungabhadra day that it was the responsibility of the project came in. The whole of the old Cential Government to get it implemented Hyderabad area contributed towards the properly. That is tampered with and if development of the Tungabhadra project the bureaucracy here, with the help of which has gone out to either the Andhta anybody else—I do not know who have area or to Mysore. We are not sorry tampered with the gentlemen's agreement for it but we have spent money, for the and frequently the Public Employment development of an area which is not in Act i> being mentioned but in the gentle- Telengana today. men’s agreement, please find out whether In this context, I would like to say that any mention of a superior service or in- ferior service have been mentioned. The in 1923 the Hindus and the Muslims, whole services, superior and inferior, both joined together to see that Muslims more or less, have been included but the tom the UP did not come in there. The same have been tampered with in the enunciation of the Mulki rule was the Act and they have now said only inferior result. In 1928 the Nizamsagar project services should be included in the Mulki /as constructed and thu Andhra people rules. There were none to question them with their money came in there, and start- then as this was done in 1957 but im- ed purchasing land. Then the I and plemented in 1959 as by this time the Alienation BUI was brought in saying that Telengana area had been merged and without the permission of the Government nq land can be purchased by outsiders. ceased to exist. In this Act, if the superior services are not mentioned, is it This was the background of the whole our fault, the fault of the Teleganites situation. And, in 1956 it is not against May I know whose fault it is? How did the Andhras that we fought, it was against this change take place? It is the values our own Chief Minister whose c^r was that are important. Pjropiises held out damaged and there were firings in, Hydera- are being broken What is it that yoy bad in Afzalganj area and in Bhongir— are giving us today for Telengana? One in Telengana and not in the Andhra for thousand or two thousands or four thou- maintaining the Telengana as a separate sands jobs. entity. They, the Andhras said ‘Why not W5 two people come together and come to^ some agreement? Then the Andhras Today, in that region, all the financial oftered this gentlemen’s agreement. It is institutions, <^1 Jhe other institutions, the not fhat we asked for it. This Mulki electricity Department the co-operative Rules was not asked by us. It is they societies and the taccavi loans, the Land who offered it to the Telengana people Mortgage Banks, even in the fertiliser .277 Mulki Rules Bill AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Ruhc BUI 278 distribution in these districts are manned Now, you say Andhra r«:op:: have no pro- by 99 per cent bv the Andhras and not tection m the City’. They have already by us. Teleganites have no place and 60 per cent of the police services in the Andhras are dominating everywhere. city and you want now to have cent per cent in the combined Police Services? Is it that you want to smother us? What What about the poor Muslims in our is this idea. The question is this: is it -area? The Police Action came in and not a tact that we asked for this Mulki then they were 10 per cent of the popula- rule m the gentlemen’s agreement. tion occupying 80 per cent of the sci vices. Andhras gave it to us. The gentlemen's They had no land, no other avenue of agreement that was enunciated here has empolymcnt and no industry in that area. not been properly enunciated in the Pub- Then comes in » proposal after police lic Employment Act of 1957 by the Go action to reduce their strength to 10 per vcrnment of India after Telangana ceased ■cent, in propoition to thin population to exist as a sepaiuu: ei>iiiy. Whcsj strength. They are decent gentlemen, fault is it? I would like to bring in a very Jew people are really rabid or fana- motion to make an impeachment against tic. You go to any part of India. You those people in the Central Government wil) j»oe Hindus and Muslims, living to- who hove done this tampering with it in gethei but in separate bastees. But, in this manner. Have the Central Govern H^dctabad. the Muslims’ houses and the ment officials connived with the Andhra Hindus’ houses aie bide by iidc. Wc Government services to have this change have lived together like brothers all these brought about m the enactment of the Years, 'loday what is the position? They Public Sei vices Employment Act in 1957. have become very poor. Is it not yom If it is ->o. it is a vety serious matter. I' duty to find out why this is happening? is the Andhras and the Central Govcri Is it not voui duty to sec why they are ment who arc responsible for this and no suffering? Have you looked into that17 we In this context and due to this enact- What have you done to ameliorate their ment when the Telangana Services are conditions'* On account of the agitation suffering and anneal to courts to obtain 111 Telengana in J969, to get their sup justice from 1957-1969, everytimc that the port, the Government had one of theii court gave a verdict in favour of Andhras buildings restored back to them, thi- they were immediately implemented but Dai ussalam The then Chief Minister. if it was in favour of Telanganitis, it wa> Mr Rrahmunand 1 R 1 , " ~; . • I ' • . • r i Muth Rules DECEMBER 2_1, 1972 Mul~i Rules Bi[l . 279 Bill ,;·. ' ,, [Dr. G. S. Melkote] limit. Tliese' are· -thing~ bf viiluc:. and uHtil' nated imd not even .. 1 .per cent of. them and unle~s · ~onfideride i~' ·'' ~reated in' ou'r et any contract at all now. How can we mind-s nothing can be done. They have xist? This is the problem · that is facing placed the Prime Minister's prestige in us and· therefore ·we . want to separate. jeopardy/ . We · kn0W that -they have pre5- There is this unholy alliance 'in Andhra ·surised her te do -certain things for them ar.ea between the bureaucracy, · Andhra If they desire, ·and we have ·offered ir politician11 and students - and ·that is the leL there be a separate Andhra·, Reg'ioi:Jal. bane of ' our trouble. The peasa.nts there Committee, separate Secrtariat for Raya·- have nothing to do with it. · This ·is the la'Seema. and· Andhra, colleges and schools' situation. . What our Minister S.hri Mirdha in Hyderabad with their money· being · ha·s said is _correct.' But in the Telengana spent. . We have no objection. They do area .the ."whole populati'on backs up · the not want- to look at all these things. Thcy- "Mulki _movement as it affects. e_very ii:rdi- want to ride roughshod over r our interests. vidual. It is a . mass movement. In ' 1969 These are ·the things 'that are ' happening. as many as 350 lives were l~st in the These thin.gs sho1:1ld oe · understood pro-· agitation in Hyderabad 'city. perly. I am afraid whether there would not be . bloodshed if - seoaration imme- · . In this Bill, in C~se 4, ·the Mu!ki diately does not take place. It should be· RuJes as it exists today is being invali- avoided. . We appealed ·to · our people tJ· d;ited and ·the ~rregular appoir..tments f9r be non-violent and tci allow this question· Andhras already . ma.de during t.hese 17 to be 'decided by ' democratic ' methods,. years get validated. . What about em· In Hyderabad there is a complete con- plqyment fQr us? We, the Telenganites, trol over the ·situation. Nothin'g .serious: a~ C1 ~cii.ilg -1;:>~ SHRI SHIV All H/KF S. DESHMUKH take in these people who qualify under (Parabhani): All the leaders in the Shiva the ‘sons of the soil’ concept. Sena ar>; Brahmins by c'sste. As for private people, > there is a friend of mine who runs a big business SHRI FRANK ANTHONY: What are concern. He says, ‘I have got a direc- they doing? As I say, they are not onl» tive from the West Bengal Government indirectly but directly affirming it. This to give preference only to the sons of Shiv Sena philosophy has corroded the soil’. You know how the Hindi every State Government in this country. States are interpreting it. ‘Sons of the And whatever their protestations are, you soil1 do not mean people in that State; affirm it, the Central Government affirm it means people whose mother tongue it Because unless you exercise this power is Hindi. under art. 16(3), no State Government can have quotas on a regional basis. You What does the Commissioner for come in and got legislation passed. You LingVistic Minorities say? You adopt are affirming this evil ‘sons of the soil’ a memorandum solemnly. Shri Pant’s movement. father. Govind Ballabh Pant was there. 1 had something to do with that. He I know what is happening. My friends placed it on the Table- Solemnly the are in millions, Hindus subscribing to State Governments accepted it, that you the same language, the same religion, and will not insist that those whose mother they arc oppressed. You know the tongue is not that particular language unspeakable oppression of the other will pass the entrance examination. What does he Commissioner for Linguistic minorities. I am not going to talk about Minorities say about the Hindi State? it. Bui we know. In the name of the And what does the Central Government ‘sons of the soil’ movement, in Gujarat do? It comes here, makes excuses. The they would give to the linguistic minorities, whole attitude, I say with great respect Maharashtrians, no jobs. But what about to Shri Mirdha, was a disgustingly the smaller minorities? You say they do non-possumous attitude: What can we not belong to the State, because they have do’’ What are our powers. not lived there permanently, for 15 years. They may have been in government offices, You see what is happening. As I say, transferable from one area to another, and it is a tragedy, not only for the people so they have their homes there. Theii of Andhra Pradesh; it is a tragedy for fathers were there. But you say they are the whole country. not eligible, their sons and daughters are not eligible. You go further and say, ‘You You, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, asked me: cannot get into any State college’. That are you not trying to deal with the ‘sons is the tiagedy of the smaller minorities. of the soil’ movement in this? It is even more vicious. At present, it is sons of the soil, that is, those who speak the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Does this language of a particular State. But you Bill nr I seek to deal with that7 are applying it in an even more vicious form. Now you are saying that the SHRI FRANK ANTHONY: I will come ‘sons of the soil’ concept will only apply to that a little later—I do not want my in a part of the State. I do not think voice crossed. it is going to stand up to challenge in the courts. I am not going to argue The Centre is affirming this. I am told that, because the idea of art. 16(3) that by MLAs in different States that the you could have this evil ‘sons of the soil’ Centre now has issued some kind of concept for the whole State, but you directives: not only will the sons of the cannot apply this concept only to a part soil tie the only people eligible for of the State. Anyway, be that as it government service, the public sector has may. Let Government cross that hurdle been given a directive that you will only when it comes. 285 Mulki Rules Bill AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Rules Bill 286 Is this not much more vicious is going to stop it? If by any — the old communal isms? You killed the I do not think there is one chance in a old communalisms when you said:million—youNo resolve this through the more quotas. Those Muslims those Mulki Rules, immediately, you will get Anglo-Indians and so on. we, the minori- the demands from Vidarbha, Saurashtra, ties, got quotas; they were only the from Uttar Pradesh, from Madhya Pra- crumbs we got. Today I do not know desh, for similar Mulki Rules for their what is the position of the other minon areas. ties. I know about my community. No scrvice at all is open in the States to a small minority because of this MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon. accursed ‘sons of the soil’ movement Member’s time is up. which the Government affirms and re- affirms, fortifies and re-fortifies. This is SHRI FRANK ANTHONY: I am what is happening. finishing. As I said, this is a cleft-stick of the Government. You cannot get I told my hon. friend, Shri Bhandari: out of it. What I say is this. Look at the day you give up your quotas, from the tragedy. This is dangerous tempo- that day not one Scheduled Caste will rising because you are playing with get into service anywhere. These human lives. unfortunate people come to me because they cannot get justice. When cases are being investigated they cannot get justice; As I see, as I look around rather Cases have been tried; and they cannot objectively, I see the extent to which the get justice when the cases go to the Sup- position has become absolutely irrecon- reme Court. That is the tragedy of tne cileable. This Bill is going to be a Scheduled Castes today. They have no dangerous exercise in temporising. AH I quota in the promotion cadres. They can say is that it does not solve any- come to me ever} other day. Theything are . There is going to be much more not taken into the promotion cadre. Not bloodshed and ultimately the Govern- oven God will help them when their ment will come and say, “Let these peo- quotas go. At least now they get it so ple separate.” But what 1 say Is. let far as some recruitment is concerned. them separate now. Let them go in But if they ever gave it up or are so peace, because the danger is this: all the ill-advised to give it up, I think the smaller minorities will get the backwash. minorities will gieatly suffer and even The danger is this: If you impose this God, I think, will not be able to help and if it is not acceptable to either side, then feelings will become so inflamed and them to get any kind of employment. there will be utter tragedy: Hindus, be- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: How has longing to the same religion and the same all this got to do with the Bill. Mr. language, will become so utterly bitter Anthony? and hateful towards each other that the Telengana person will not be safe; his SHRI FRANK ANTHONY: Yes; the wife and daughter will not be safe in Government is having this cleft-stick. the Andhra region And the Andhra This is a pernicious sanctification of the person in the Telengana area will be in sons of the soil movement in a part of the same position. What is the good? the Slate. I do not know; you are not As I said, it is an exercise in temporis- going to stop it. It is like trying to close ing. the stable door after the horse has bolted. You will not be able to stop it. Some- body asked me, “If we allow them to Take it either way. If it succeeds, separate, what will happen to Vidarbha? you will get a similar demand, But if it What will happen to Saurashtra? What is not going to succeed, the only conse- will happen to Chattisgarh7” I asked, quence is that a lot of innocent people “What will happen?” Do you think this are going to lose their lives. 3020 LS—10 !ti ~lk~ Rllies BfU' ' DECEMBElf '21 ; 1~12,.._ - ' Mulki Rules Bill ~ ,. : , :z88 Slt1U '1'A ITABHl RAMA RAO .any other capital, anywhere in rodia? How - (Rajamufidry) !" 'Mt. '~ Deputy~Speaker, Sir, long is that to be tolerated? that - ~'its -,tJri liiigliistic States conception is not a the feeling in And.bra which is now ne~ one. It has a history of more than bothering ·every one of them. That is half a ceritbry: -, The father of the Nation why agitation started. - The Ministry tried had given it his bl'essings as , eatly as in _ to adjust both the regions and it was 'not the twenties of this century. Actually, possible. Then they came to the Prime ever since then, the Telugu-speaking Minister; the Prime Minister asked them people have been stressing to form a to resolve it among themselves and: give State of their own. Stalwarts like the her a solution. In spite of the' best Andhra Kesari,-Prakasam Pantulu,-- efforts -of a stalwart and senior politician Kaleswara Rao, from the Andhra region, like Mr. Chavan visiting that place seve- and Madapathi _Hanumantha Rao and ral times, they _ coµld not come to any "' · Gurukula -Ramakrishna Rao from the agreement and finally they· left the matter -- other ·regiofl-I am just giving only a to the Prime Minister for her award and -f~w ttames-:-:-all of them wet~ doing their she. has given an award after considera- ·best to see th'a:t Andhta: Pradesh was tion, careful thought. One '- of my pred_e- - formed in the year 1956. 16 'years have cessors said that that award wa; moral- -passed since the State ~as been formed, ly binding on all of us. and during these 16 years there were governments there; and there was a Personally, I feel that the five point peaceful atmosphere till three years ago. programme which she has- given will : serve the purpose-- certainly and in due -:r Actually, the Telengana region was course everybody will feel ' that in that known to be backward. There is no State all are one -and the separatist men- doubt _"apout it. That is _exactly why tality will not be there after 1976 in the _-more mQney was spent there. Many pro- city and in the entire State after - i980. ]~cts .have come in there and if, today, Personally I feel -that we should live in there is· such a clamour in the Andhra Andhra Pradesh as one State. In Hydera- area that all- the money has been spent bad city, when there is_so much bf tleve- there and that in spite of it they are not lopment both culturally as well as eco- treating us properly, it only requires--:_- nomically, we should certainly -try to see tha( Andhra Pradesh- is not divided under SHRI S. B. _GIRI: Npt from Andhra. any circumstances. The money- spent there -is not of Andhras. Legislation that bas been brought for- SHRI PATIABHI RAMA RAO: ward after the Supreme Court judgment Andhras also have contributed. is -absolutely · neeessary-; otherwise there will _ be big confusion . and orders that SHRI S. B. GIRI: Not a single pie; had - been passe,d since - 1956, some .of on the other hand they have looted us them at least, will be null and void. This another Rs. 6 crores. legislation is to be supported under any circumstance. SHRI - PATTABHI RAMA RAO: Andhras 'have been living in Hyderabad ~ .~ I - . ' . I am o_nly surprised · at the speech .of and -money ha ~ been contributed by Jap. Sangh leader Shri Joshi who says them and surely _ money has gone to that t!J.ere can be small States and they both the regions. While so much money ·will prosper. With the little Hindi that has been spent, why is there this feeling? I ,could - follow - translafeil into Engli:Sh, The Andhras, the lawyers or doctors or ·for Telengana and Andhra he give~ t-he - others who are living in , Hyderabad- parallel of Punjab and Haryana of their children cannot ·be admitted in the Maharashtra and Gujarat. What com- colleges' of Hyderabad, in the State capi- parison does he make? Gujarat and tal; they could not get facilities or jobs. Maharashtra are· not speaking the same Hyderabad is supposed to be the capital language; similarly in Haryana 3cnd Pun- of that State. Do you see a parallel in jab also. But in Andhra this is nor the 289 Mulki Rules Bill AGRAHAYANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Mulki Rules Bill 290 case; we all talk Telugu and we are all Maharashtra Movements on both sides Telugu people and we do not like to be were led by veteran nationalists whose compared like that and separated into progicssive character could not be small pieces Probably Pan Sattgfr may challenged feel happy if there is any trouble there and I can assure them that they have no 16.53 hrs. place whatsoever there, even though he may dream that a such thing would fSnRiMAri SrniLA Kaui in the Chair'] happen and the State would be divide 1- But even at that time some suspicions it will not happen I am surprised at were created and the demand for States’ Dr Melkote’s remarks that the people reorganisation on the basis of language, of Telengana have been suffering at the which was upheld by Mahatma Gandhi, hands of the people of the Andhra re- was considered a separatist tendency gion all these vears Tf you see what is happening in Andhra, it is the other wiv When the demand for Punjabi Subha about But whv go into that now7 Now was made, many said, how can we take that the limits have been set at 1977 for such a risk about a border State? But the twin cities and 1980 for the othn after the Chinese aggression it became areas the whole State will be one after evident that the very Punjabis whose 1980 in everv respect We should feel hap patriotism was suspect in the e\es of pv with this Bill and support it After some defended the borders of the coun- all the Primp Minister Ins taken i W try tnd the opposition to Punjabi Sabha of pain« in eiving such a rood award Wc completely subsided There is no chal must respect it T come from i reeion lenge to nationalism in the Punjabi where todav the tempers are verv high Subha that w.is carved out (hey nte not hippy with the present sitm- Therefore, let us analyse what are the tion But if it i« c^p^ined to them the'" constitutional political and socio-econo- will know in course of time what it is and mic implications T et us see whether thev will nlm down and sunpoit the there is eenuine cause for tensions in idea of hnvine i single Andhra Prv1 b these aieas T am one of those who inett h' of havm" two separate St t’s never take a doctrinaire view whenever tensions develop in various regions As PROF MADTTTT DANDAVATF a nationalist a secularist and mote tlnp fRajapur') S*r at the outset T vouH th it socialist T am more interested (Prof. Madhu Dandavate.) 16(3) in terms of article 3SA against Committee, has taken some decisions certain restrictions placed by article 35B> which you, in your wisdom, might not we have to take legal counsel. The consider to be wise decisions. But here President, under hi$ constitutional pow- is a statutory body which has been creat- ers, must refer this matter to the Sup- ed by the President under the provisions reme Court for testing its constitutional of the Constitution, and that statutory validity. Therefore, let us not rush this body has come forward with ccitain measure; let us postpone this issue. Let unanimous recommendations. Here we us see that this particular BiU is circulat must remember that all the legislators ed for eliciting public opinion. If that coming from that region are member-* of is done, we can know the pres and cons that .Committee. That Committee has of this problem which we might lost stated, after going through the provisions sight of in the heated passionate dis- of this Bill, that these provisions do not cussion that we are having in Parliament fulfil the aspirations of the people. and outside at the present time. Here we are talking of various agree- There are two or three constitutional ment. Formerly, there was the gentle aspects to which I want to draw atten- man’s agreement. Now a lady’s formula tion This is not the first time that such seeks to replace the gentleman’s agree matters have gone to the court. The very ment. I have nothing against either. But basis of this Bill had gone to the court when various committees and commission^ of law and there has been one important have expressed their views and when the judgment. The Public Employment Act. Telengana Regional Committee have un- 1957 was challenged before the Supreme animously expressed the opinion, let us Court as violative of article 16(3) of not side-track their point of view and the Constitution inasmuch as the Public sav that a monopoly of wisdom lies Mulki Rules, it is better that we bring divided on the basis of caste. The fact about a bifurcation and, to a realist like is that Bhamni kings attacked Vijyanagar me, I will keep even the door of niin- and the Army of Vijyanagar was divided •cation of Telengana open, rather thm because of the disunity and the oieak- facing the danger of heightening the down of Vijyanagar empire was the cause tension and causing serious damage lo of the ruination not only of South India the economic developmental activity. but the whole country, 1 am afraid of the residue of Bhamni kings, and the SHRI P. V. G. RAJU (Vittkhapat- foreigners attacked India. Therefoie, I nam): Madam Chairman, 1 rise to teel, unless we support the Bill, we can- support the Bill. not undo that. Of course, my lnends there may say that reservations will go On one essential issue, namely, histoiy, on till 1980. But, I am afraid the time I would not like history to repeat itself. factor is such that we have to go on I use the expression “repeat itself’ be- waiting upto 1980 because we cannot re- cause, as you know, Andhra was a united verse the whole thing by one stroke of empire and, in 1562, in thc battle of pen. I feel that we should support this Khondur, the Vijyanagar empire Was de- Bill and allow for the linguistic Suites feated by the Muslims and, from that to fully fructify after 1980. day onwards, not only Andhra but the whole of India was broken up into smaller and smaller States. Therefoie, ‘ SHRI MAGANT1 ANK1NEEDU I would not like to a party to the break- (Gudivada): Madam Chairman, this ing of Andhra Pradesh again. Bill has been introduced because of thc decision of thc Supreme Court. 1 want I feel, the ghosts of Bhamni kings arc to ask as to why this has been taken to still stalking the land of Andhra Pradesh the Supreme Court. Who will ieply to Ag a matter of fact, Telengana is the this point. There is a regional committee residue of Nizam of Hyderabad. 0 ’ie for Telangana an'd we all expected that can say, Nizam is an anachronism. But it will be under thc State Assembly. But the fact is that Mulki Rules were cleared later on it happened that this regiondl by the Nizam for the benefit of the loc.il committte has been divided into sub- people in Telengana against people who committees etc., and Andhras had no have been coming from U.P., Bihar and voice in it. Later on it was found that Madhya Pradesh. I do not want to get they made political capital out of this into non-secular argument. But I am regional committee and sub-committees afraid, the whole idea was to give pro- and went to Delhi to suit their own pur- tection to local Muslims against the poses. Therefore Andhras had no quo- Muslims from Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and rum on which they can speak If some 10 Madhya Pradesh. Therefore, in an in- person is Andhra speak against this Com- direct sense, it has a communal back- mittee then they are dubbed as separatists. ground. I believe, by supporting Mulki Rules Bill, in any manner, we arc supporting the residue or off-shoot of The present movement in Andhra is a casteism and oommutialism, spontaneous movement by the people and it is unprecedented. It is not inspired or I would support the Bill because I encouraged by any-body. The other day think it nullifies the question of reserva- Shri Indrajit Gupta also said that this tions in employment. I would not like movement is inspired by somebody but the history to repeat itself. As a matter later on he withdrew it. This movement of fact, if I may quote from history, the is spontaneous. Even Mr. Eswara Reddy battle of Khondur was fought in such a said like this but I want to make it clear manner that the Army at Khondur was that this movement is unprecedented and ♦The original speech was delivered in Telugu. 295 Mulki Rules Bill DECEMBER 21, 1972 Mulki Rules BUI [Shri Maganti Aakineedu] a spontaneous movement by the people I want to impress on the Central Govern- ment the gravity of the spontaneous 3** fr ^ ^ ^ movement by the people and I hope they will think over this problem deeply and t w fr taie necessary action 'TFT *Rfr 1 1 W TR fgrPT I \ ant to ask to why whether these fr stftt $ sfa; fafr fr ^ sr^r % Malki jules are applied to doctors, law- ?rt»fr fr ^ frr ^rrprr | i yers, engineers etc and then what will be their fate It these doctors, lawyers TTspprnT 22 ^rr ^ ttw srt and engineers are transfeired to Andhra f I ^ t £ ^ £ 22 T Tn rw t % SFT^T Pradesh and those jobs are given to fr, 22 5TTp % TTSmft t fr lelengana then what will be the fate of those doctors, lawyers and engineers who