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This Begins an Interview with Mr RUTGERS, THE STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW JERSEY NEW BRUNSWICK AN INTERVIEW WITH JAMES W. CHERNESKY FOR THE RUTGERS ORAL HISTORY ARCHIVES WORLD WAR II * KOREAN WAR * VIETNAM WAR * COLD WAR INTERVIEW CONDUCTED BY SHAUN ILLINGWORTH and GREG FLYNN and JASON CHERNESKY NEW BRUNSWICK, NEW JERSEY DECEMBER 12, 2008 TRANSCRIPT BY DOMINGO DUARTE Shaun Illingworth: This begins an interview with Mr. James W. Chernesky on December 12, 2008 in New Brunswick, New Jersey with Shaun Illingworth, Greg Flynn and also Jason Chernesky. Thank you both very much for coming in today, we appreciate it. To begin, could you tell us where and when you were born? James W. Chernesky: I was born December 5th, 1945 in Somerset Hospital. SI: What was your father's name? JWC: Frank Chenersky. SI: He was originally from Poland? JWC: Originally, yes, he was born in Poland, 1899, and then he came over here, I believe, when he was roughly two years old and resided in, the family … resided in Forest City, Pennsylvania, and then moved to Manville around 1916. SI: Did you grow up knowing his parents? Did you know them at all? JWC: Just my dad's, my grandmother on my dad's side is the only grandparent that I remember. … She passed away in a nursing home, I guess when I was around twenty, early twenties. SI: Did you get any idea of why the family immigrated to the US? JWC: Not really. All I could think of is for work and freedom because the border where he was born was right on the Russian border at the time and they were going back and forth with the border changed from what I understood from a Polish priest that read his birth certificate, translated his birth certificate. It's written in Polish and Russian dialect. So I guess they just came for freedom of religion, work and whatever. I don't really know, … I was too young to really get any information from the grandparents. SI: Do you know why the family relocated to Manville? JWC: The same reason, would be work in Johns Manville. My grandpa ended up working in Johns Manville until he lost all his fingers in a press, he had his fingers cut off in a press. SI: What about your mother and her name? JWC: My mother's maiden name was Philomena Pilla and grandparents, her mom and dad were born in Naples, around Naples, and they came over to the United States, and I believe she was born in Waterbury, Connecticut, my mom, in 1904. … I remember her talking about living in New York too, Brooklyn, I believe, for a while. … Then they end up moving to Manville, when I'm not sure, early again because she met my dad in, I don't remember the date and the year they got married, I guess. Let's see, my brother, Bob, he would be eighty-three, so they must have gotten married, what, can you do your math real quick? 1920's? 2 Jason Chernesky: 1920's probably, yes, somewhere around there. JWC: Bob was born in '29. So it must have been in the 1920's they got married in the Manville area. SI: Did her father also work for Johns Manville? JWC: No, her father, … he actually was a shoe maker, a cobbler back then. He made shoes in Italy, and as far as I know … they both passed away. He was gone, my grandfather died before I was born. I'm not sure if the grandma, I can't remember my grandmother on my mother's side. If she was still living, I was just an infant, so I don't really remember her. SI: Do you know anything about the immigration history on that side or why they came? JWC: No, I just imagine why most people came to the United States then, you know, for work and for a better life. SI: Are you the youngest of your siblings? JWC: Right, yes, I'm the youngest. SI: How many siblings did you have? JWC: There are five others beside myself. So, there's six of us altogether. There's four boys and two girls. SI: You and your siblings were born over a span of twenty years? JWC: … Yes, twenty years. My oldest brother who's deceased now, he was just about exactly twenty years older than me. SI: What are some of your earliest memories of growing up in Manville? JWC: Well, my dad died when I was seven in 1952, and we were living on Main Street of Manville at the time. Manville was, back in that time, was just coming out of being a part of Hillsboro, well they became incorporated actually in '29, but the town was still, a lot of areas in the town were still fields, and, you know, wide open. Now, of course, it's all built up. I grew up on Main Street, and it was just my mom, myself, my two sisters, and my one brother, Frank, the youngest of the older brothers, were living on Main Street. … I lived there for the first seven, eight, let's see, nine years old, I moved over to what they call Lost Valley, another section of Manville. … By then, my one sister was married, and the two older brothers had been married already from Main Street, and there was just myself, my brother Frank, and my older sister Maryann, the three of us. Then we lived there for a year, then we moved over to another part of Manville in Weston, and it was still myself, I was ten years old at that time, myself, my sister Maryann, and my brother Frank. … At that time, I can't remember the exact date, my sister, after we moved over to Weston, my sister Maryann got married shortly after. So it was just 3 really me and my older brother, Frank. … Then my sister, my one sister got divorced and she moved in with us for a while, and back and forth, and then she moved out with the kids. But anyhow, by then I'm going to jump over to, I grew up, like I said, the western part of Manville, at that time, was a lot of fields. We had ball fields like all over the area, which is now all homes. So I grew up with a lot of outside activity. We lived by the river, did a lot of fishing and swimming in the river, hunting. You could walk right down the street with an unloaded shotgun without being in a case, nobody, you know, back then, there was no laws on. It was a nice area to grow up as a kid. You know, it was wide open, and basically outdoors. I was an outdoors person. … All my buddies, the same thing, we just, you know, like I said, down the river, doing all kinds of different stuff, riding bikes and everything was wide open back then. SI: Was there any kind of organized activity like Boy Scouts available? JWC: Yes, there was Boy Scouts in the town. I wasn't big on organized stuff too much. I belonged to the Boy Scouts for about a month, I got thrown out of there so that didn't last long. I belong to the CYO, they had boxing, they had a boxing club, and the CYO--Catholic Youth Organization--basketball team, played basketball. Let's see what else we did. That's mostly what we did growing up. Of course, I went through the Manville School System, and the grammar school is no longer there. All the grammar schools, … over the years are all gone now. All the different newer schools, then Manville High School, then I ended up going to Manville High. … Then, through those years, just before I got drafted, we have a little ice cream store, we used to call [it] Martha's, across the tracks and we used to hang around there. There's a bunch of us that hung around there, and I don't know how many exactly, I'm just going say ten of us. I can't really count. There's quite a few guys that hung around there, all around same age and grew up pretty much in blue-collar families, you know, working-class people. SI: Did most people work for Johns Manville? JWC: A good portion back then, not all you know. Of course you had carpenters and everything else, but a good portion of them worked for Johns Manville, pretty much booming, still going pretty strong before all the asbestos problems. Then I grew up there with the guys I grew up hanging around Martha's when the Vietnam War broke out. There was, again, Larry, Danny, Hank, me, Sonny. I would say, within a year's span, from '65 to '66, with the draft, there must have been six or eight of us drafted within that year's span because of the, you know, conflict in Vietnam then, escalated. So, that kind of broke up the whole store gang, and some went to Korea, some went to Germany, different areas, and myself and my buddy, Gary, actually well they didn't hang around the store but I knew them, you know, we all grew up in Manville. Myself, Gary Brown, Mike Martineau, Tony Terazino and Danny Fierst, we all went the same time, got drafted the same day and ended up going to the same outfit. SI: We were curious about that after reading your report.
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