Third Series1R.63 Friday, May 1, 1964 Vaisakha 11, 1886 (Saka)
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No. 63-Friday, May 1, 1964/VaisaMha II, 1886 (SaMa) COLUMNS Oral Answers to Questions- *Starred Questions Nos. 1273 to 1275,1277 to 1280, 1282, 1283. 1286A, 1287, 1288 and 1290 13791-827 Short Notice Question No. 22 13827-31 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 1276, 1281, 1285, 1289 and 1291 13831-35 Unstarred· Questions Nos. 2747 to 2759, 2761 to 2783, 2783A, 2783B, and 2783C . 13835-57 Correction of answer to U.S.Q. No. 1825 dated 3-4-1964 re. Small Scale Industries Corporation, Orissa. 13857 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Bomb explosion in Poonch Power House 13857-59 Papers laid on the Table . 13859-61
Messages from Rajya Sabha 13861~2 Presentation of petition 13862 Business of the House and announcement rc: next session of Lok Sabha . 13862-75 Statement rc: Bokharo Steel Project- Shri C. Subramaniam 13875--'78 Coir Industry (Amendment) Bill- Motion to consider 13878-905 Shri Maniyangadan 13887-82 Shri N. Sreekantan Nair 13882- 87 Shri B. K. Das 1388 7--88 Shri Yashpal Singh 13888-90 Shri S. C. Samanta 13890-92 Dr. Sarojini Mahishi 13892- 06 Dr. M. S. Aney . 13896--97 Shri ~anubhai Shah 13897---904 Clauses 2 to 7 and 1 . 13904-05 ~otion to pass as amended Shri Manubhai Shah 1390 5 *The sign +marked above the name ofa Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that ~ember. 555 (Ai) LSD-I. ( II )
COLUMN8 Taxation Laws (Continuation and Validation of Recovery Proceed- ings) Bill- Motion to consider Shri T. T. Krishnamachari Shri Heda . 13910- 14 Shri A. N. Vidyalankar 13914-15 Shri Onkar Lal Berwa 13915-17 Clauses 2 to 7 and 1 . 13919 Motion to pass- Shri T. T. Krishnamachari 13920 Bast Punjab Ayurvedic and Unani Practitioners' (Delhi Amendment) Bill- Motion to consider 13920-24 Dr. D. S. Raju 13920-23 Shri S. M. Banerjee 13923-24 Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions- Forty-third Report-adopted 13925 Resolution re : Disparity in Income-withdrawn 13925-89 Shri B. P. Yadava 13926-27, 1398j-B7 Shri Sarjoo Pandey 1392 8-30 Shri D. S. Patil . 1393 1-35 Shri Yashpal Singh 13935-39 Shei Bhagwat Jha Azad 13940-45 Shri Onkar Lal Berwa 13946-50 Shri D. N. Tiwary 13950-54 Shri Priya Gupta 13954-60 Shri S. M. Banerjee 13960-63 Shri Muthiah 13963-66 Shri P. R. Chauaverti 13 6~8 Shri P. L. Barupal 13969-72 Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha 13972- 85, 13987-88 Resolution re: National Policy in Education- Shri Sidheshwar Prasad LOK SABHA DEBATES
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LOK SABRA ~ ~ t ~ f'f."4t 'lPT ~~~ Friday, Mall 1, 19641Vaisakha 11,1886 ~ ("lit I (Saka) Shri Kanungo: Not necesslU'lly. But in any case this particular manufac- ture is at the lowest priority. The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock. Shri S. M. Banerjee: May I know the names of companies which have [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] been gran led this import licence? ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Shrl Kanungo: Eufoam (Private) Foam Plastic Uniu, Limited.
°1Z73. Shrt Yashpal Singh: Will ~t ~ i llf iff;; ~ ~ flr. the Minister of Industry be pleased ~ '!>' f.wi if; ~ a 2l"( ,ft ~ m to state: 'f; .... ri ~ r 'II lffi'f n~ i:r mm ~ (a) the number of fOllm plastic i ~ ~ ~ ~ units set up or proposed to be sct up ft, "t'r 'f."r in the public or private sector dvrllll( ~. the Third Plan period; (b) whether it wilI suffice the need Shri Kanunro: I have not got the of the country.; and figures of import but the manuflu:- ture in the country is not)'et ade- (c) the total amount for which im- quate. port licences were issued during 1963-64? Shrl Sham La! Saral: In view of The Minister of Industry (Shrt the answer given by the han. Mlnla- Kanungo): (a) to (c). Two Units tcr that these foam plastics will ulti- including one Unit in the small :;eale mately be used for packlnr, and sector, are in production and one n·,ore knowing as we do that the price of Unit is under installation. No sepA- timber has gone up very much, may rate target has been fixed for 1111stic I know to what extent these foom foam. Import licences for about plastics are used for packing? Rs. 5,51,000 in all have been ls'IUcd. Shrl Kanunro: This will certainly '" Ifff1m'f ~ 4'f ;f.T m Shrl P. V,enkatuubbalah: The hOD. Minister says that producUon t. not 13793' Oral Answers MAY 1, 1964 Oral Answers 13794 able to meet the demand. In that ed for from U.K.; tenders will be case may, I know whether any new invited for supply of forgings and companies have come forward for castings for the manufacture of stf'am getting licences of it and if so VIlla t turbines, from the various supplier is the reaction of the Government' countries. Shri Kanungo: It is on the lowest Shri SubOdh Hansda: The hon. priority and we do not encourage it. Minister said that the shortcomings will be gradually removed. May ~ 1 ~~ o r know when these will be removed Sf1 ... Ti fcrit!1IT and whether the Ranchi Heavy Engi- orr ~ ~ iffif ~ i1' "'FiT ~ 'ftIT neering Corporation will be able to ~~ steps are taken to see that normalcy Shri C. Subramaniam: I am sorry returns here? have not got that information. Shri C. &bra,maniam : As the Shri P. Venkatasubbaiah: Has the House is aware, there was a strike hon. Minister's attention been drawn and then a shut-out. After that the to a news that has appeared today factory has reopened and all the sec· that wall posters had been fixed on tions are functioning now. No dOUDt the wall stating that Shiva thandavam it will take time to reach normalcy. will be done, meaning that the entire But my own information is that production will be destroyed, if there is no fresh trouble there, un- arrested leaders are not released, and less the hon. Member has some au- what is the precaution that Govern- vance information about it. ... (Inter- ment is going to take in order to ruptions) . ensure safety to this plant? Mr. Speaker: There was a news Shri C. Subramaniam: As far as item in the papers. I have received Sltiva thandavam is concerned, that notice also, and so that information was brought to my notice and I do is with every han. Member. not think we should get frightened simply because some poster appears Shri B. K. Das: May I know whe- somewhere. ther an estimate has .been made of the loss to production during this S.T.C's. Profit period of closure? + Shri C. Subramaniam: Yes, Sir. Dr .. L. M. in~h answered that question-nearly one rShrt U. M. Trivedi: crore of rupees. "1275. ~ Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: I Shri S. N. Chatu"edl: Shrimati Savitri Nigam: May LShr! P. C. Borooah: know as to how many trainees in HEL and other {:oncerns have taken Will the Minister of InternatiODal training in foreign {:ountries for Trade be pleased to state: designing, etc. of these heavy cast- ( a) the maximum amount of profit ings and forgings, and since how percentage the State Trading Corpo- long they ·are sitting idle? ration is allowed to earn on any Shri C Subramaniam: I am sorry; particular commodity; I do not have information with regard (b) whether there have been a ~ to that. But with regard to the last where S.T.C. has earned as much as part of the question, I do not think 140 per cent profit; and that anybody is sitting idle during the period of training. (c) the steps Government propose to take in the matter? Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: What is the value of the raw material and The Minister of International Trade components that we import at present (.shri MaBubhai Shah): (a) to (c). from abroad and by what time will Generally, the distribution margin on we be self-sufficient? items handled by the State Trading Shri C. Subramaniam: With refer- Corporation and the Minerals and ence to the castings and forgings, as Metals Trading Corporation varies I have already stated, we are contem- between i% to 10% (limited to only plating to set up a unit and when that 0.5% to 3% in case of exports) to unit goes into production, we will be cover distribution expenses and other able to meet the entire requirement. incidental charges including profit, depending on different commodities. Mr. Speaker: What is the vtJue of In some export commodities, the cor- raw materials that we impori"from porations have even to bear losses abroad for this purpose? rather than charge any profits. 13797 Oral Answe'r8 MAY 1, 1964 Oral Answers However, in case of scarce cOll'mo- involved, the difference is mopped dities and commodities in short SlIP- up. ply, the main objective is to canalise imports and distribution in order to Dr. L. M. Slnghvl: Certain items mop up the difference between the such as cloves, camphor and betclnuts ruling price in the market and the are chargeable to a very high rate of landed cost which would otherwise profit by the STC. It is mentioned in be cornered and exploited by a few addition that there are certain cana- importers without any benefit what- lised imported scarce commodities on soever to the consumers. Even in such which also the Corporation charge. cases the prices fixed by the St<.te very high rates of profit. What are Trading Corporation or the Mmerals these canalised items? and Metals Trading Corporation arE' Shri Manubhal Shah: I would .omewhat lower than the market request the hon. Member to go prices of such scarce imported com- through the statement. ... modities. Dr. L. M. Singhvl: I have gone With a view to illustrate the above through it very carefully. policy, a statement dealing with a Shri Manubhai Shah: He will find few commodities is laid on the Table that on fertilisers it is i per cent, of the House. [Placed in Libr'lry. See copper 2 per cent, zinc 2 per cent. No. LT-2831j64]. This will indicate that his assump- Mr. Speaker: This also is contained tions are not based on facts. in the statement that has been laid on the Table? "f1 ~ mn 1 ~ 11R;fr« ;fir ':r'F1"I',l ;ft>rr ~ Shrl MaDubhai Shah: Specific illus- lTQl<;rr of f'l7 f"f'1 trations have been given. lii7if:c: it <:":tr ~ ;;: 'In: f"Jrrf; rr;jf if 'fii ~ 3~ i ~ r ~ f\1l:!; Mr. Speaker: What the hon. Minis- rn ter has read-is that also in that ~ tr "''l;rn: ~ f: ifl' l!'MiT 'f'?T'IT .tatement? "fm ?, I 'f'TT ;;:'WT ';; 'li'1 "Q:[ il:'im Shrl Manubhai Shah: It is already f'l7 m-if;c: if 'lP '.fr :yq-r'n ?lli.aU laid on the Table. 'f..rifstr ~ ;offiT 7 ~~ ,,\ i\:'T'Fl Dr. L. M. Slnghvi: Is a periodic ~ 'r. f<-:;rn: T,"f7r,r 'fliT '3'nl:f 'f': ~r review held of the profits charged by ~ 7 the State Trading Corporation on both items of export and import, 1~ ~ l:ff; particularly of the latter? If so, on "f1 fllf'l.-r ~ ~ qq-a; srfO' fif>' Mr. Speaker: Let Mr. Ranga's ~ ~ ~ f ~ 0; ~ ~ Shri Manubhal Shah: The over-all m<: ':( li'1lff 'to r distribution charge on fertiiisers by ~ ~ I ~ 'I t X %; ~~ if ('fT the STC is half a per cent, which in- 'PI' ~ I f'li<: :iff ~ i m('f( ~ ~ cludes handling, warehousing and godcwning. Can anybody do the bus i- 1'f1:'f.T<: if, 'I'm l:f[;fr 51"'if'r ~ '1Hf mar neas in less than half a per cent? ~ I 'f1:ff ~ '!ifT'fiT 51"IT(oTc ~ ~ qo ,"0 m~ ~ liofr + ..n *1-. f 8hri Warior: ~~ if Ol'i'ImllT f The Minister of Inllernational Trade 8hri KanUBgo: No, Sir. We have (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) and (b). received no complaints, nor has the ~bout 960 tonnes of lemon grass oil Textile Commissioner. .were purchased by th State Trading Corporation as a price support mea- GYJl!lum sure. More than 90 p.c. of this quan- ·1279. Dr. L. M. 8inghvi: Will tlhe tity has already been sold to foreign Minister of Industry be pleased to buyers. The remaining small quantity state: is also expected to be sold shortly. 8hri Warlor: Is the STC buying (a) the various industrial uses of only through the middle men or is it (lypsum in India; buying from the producers direct? (b) whether Government are con- 8hri Manubhal Shah: Direct from sidering the location of any industries lihe producers. in the areas where gypsum is found; and 8hri Warior: Is it a fact that the STC has only very few purchasing (c) whether Government have ex- depots in the area, and those depots perienced any difficulties in respect of arc far away from the region of pro- the supply of gypsum for certain in- duction by the small producer? dustries which are located at consider- able distances from the areas where Shri Manubhai Shah: You can very gypsum is found? well judge from the fact that out of 1,100 tons, STC has purchased 980 The Minister of Industry (Shrl tons. Kanungo): (a) to (c). A statement is laid on the Table of tlhe House. Yam Purchase by Powerloom Owners + STATEMENT r Shri ledhe: (a) Gypsum is mainly used in tire 12 8.~ 8hri Lonik81': manufacture of Fertiliser and Cement. L Shri M. L. Jadhav: In Ceramic Industry, the use of gyp- Will the Minister of Industry be sum is limited to the manufacture of pleased to state: plaster of Paris from which moulds' are made. (a) whether it is a fact that prior permission of the Textile Commis- (b) No Sir; not at present. sioner has to ,be obtained by the (e) The Sindri Unit of the Fertiliser powerloom owners for the purchase of COl'pOration of India, which is situated yam on sized beams or weft pirns; a t a very considera ble distance Ib) whether this formality causes from the sources of gypsum, is ex- great hardships to the powerloom periencing some difficulty with respect owners; and to the supply of gypsum from Rajas- than, both in respect of its quality and Ic) tlhe eftorts made by Government adequacy of supplies. to remove such hardship? Dr. L. M. Singhvi: In view of the The Minister of Industry (8hrl fact that the Government have ad- KanUJlKO): (a) No, Sir. mitted in the statement laid on the Table of the House that difficulty is Ib) and (c). Do not arise. I may being experienced with regard to the add that there is restriction on sale. supply of gypsum from Rajasthan both 8hri Jedhe: May I know whether in terms of quality and adequacy, of t.here have been any complaints re- supplies, may I know what is the garding difficulties experienced by reason why Government have not powerlooms? considered or do not propose to con- Ora.! Answers MAY 1, 1964 Ora! Answers sider tlhe location of a fertiliser fac- .hould he try to mislead the l-Iouse by tory in places where gypsum is found? gi v mg such replies·! Shri Kanungo: The gypsum avail- lHr. Speaker: Gypsum used in Sindri able now is not of the requlIed purity. may be irJm !iaJasthan, and yet tIlere Therefore, the existing Sll1dri units is lllay be other places where gypsum not being fed properly. llUiY be found. Therefore, the two answers are not iueconcilable. He Dr. L. M. Singhvi: My question was, should not get impatient. what is the reason for not locating a factory at places where gypsum is Dr. L. M. SinghVl: The bulk Qf the found. supplies of gypsum to Sll1dri are from Mr. Speaker: He has said that it is ItaJasthan. Why was it not at that time or later on considered to locate a because it is not of that purity. factory in a place where gypsum a Shri Kanungo: That is not of the found? proper qUality. Mr. Speaker; That we cannot take Dr. L. M. Singhvi: As a matter of up now, saymg Sindri should have fact, if I may be permitted to amplify, been constructed in Rajasthan. the statement says tlhat they are ex- Shri Sham Lal Saraf: Is Govren- periencing some difficul ty both in 11lel1l aware tlhat in Jammu and Kash- terms of quality and adequacy. The mir there are large deposits of quality reason now sought to be given is that gypsum-some in Jammu and some in it is because of the quality. I want to Kashmir. May I know what steps are know whether there is any other sub- being taken to cart it down to the stantial bulk of gypsum which is used different fertiliser or other factories in in this factory from anywhere clse the country or to set up a fertiliser or except Rajasthan? other factory there? Shrl an~o They used to get Shri Kanungo: Possibly gypsum is good quality, but now somehow or available there and it has been noted. ollber, it has deteriorated. Therefore, But the quality has not been checked the Fertiliser Corporation has been In any case, for supplying Sindri or asked to go in for gypsym in about any other plant, haulage from Kashmir six areas in Rajasthan where they are is not economic. prospecting for better quality of gyp- sum. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: The Minister just now stated that gypsum Mr. Speaker: He says that this is is available all over the country. the only area where gypsum is to be Sindri is at a very very long distance found, and gypsum is not available from Rajasthan. If gypsum is avail- anywhere else in the country. this If able all over the country how is it is to be utilised in the fertiliser or that we are not taking gypsum from other factory, why should not that some nearer place instead of taking it factory be there where gypsum is all the way from Rajasthan and pay- found, whatever its quality? ing so much? Shri Kanungo: Gypsum is available allover the country in plenty of quan- Shri Kanungo: Gypsum occurs in tities, but the quality Is not good India in Rajasthan, Madras, Jammu enough. and Kashmir, Gujarat and Andhra Pradesh. When Sindri plant was Dr. L. M. Slnghvi: He is circum- constructed, it was based upon Rajas- venting the question. He says gypsum than gypsum because it was the is available all over the country. At nearest place at that time. Even the same time, he admits that gypsum now, I think the Madras occurrence is used at Sindri is from Rajasthan. Why peI"haps not nearer. 13807 Ora! Answers VAISAKHA 11, 1666 (SAKA) Oral A7l8Wer. 13808 110ft ~ ~ "fm Il',;rr ~~~ r 'If; ~ ~ (JTm ~ ~ ~ iRT ~r f'fo ~t 'l<: f:;ro-m 'for 'f'I1fui't ~~ ? ~ ~ ".,'if. 'foi<:Uf 'fo[tm \l:T w. Shri Kanungo: Gypsum used in ;fi' : whether the Government has made ~ r i n ~ r Of 'f.TVlf17 it !j'flfT any effort to start a fertiliser factory? "ffilT ~ ''IT 'f'fr a'1ir. 'IT'T ~ . <>;'Rtr Shri Kanungo: That question may ~r ir 1 'f.';f 'foT ~ ~ 'f'fn't. be addressed to the Ministry of Heavy fi:R<:r ~ orr;rij' q7,' ~ ~~ Industry which is dealing with the subject. ~ ~ I Shri Kanungo: That question may 110ft ~ i~ ~ o~ be asked of the appropriate Ministry. ~ ~~~ if 'f.'6J f'fo 7J'0Wl'R 'for Abolition of Teache1'll" Constituencies fGftBlf ~ mI'f 'f'-llf"lit 'foT ~ (J1 li' '3''1'ifiT ornT'ir ~m ~ f'fo '1 Shri Bibudhendra Misra: That is ~1 ~m ~~~i it one of the recommendations. As I ~ ~ m~ ~ have said, no decision has been taken. It is under consideration. But that is Shrl Ranga: The hOn. Minister has also what has been pointed out by given many reasons, as have been the i e ~han e or of UP, namely, advanced by others, why there should that they should be debarred. not be a separate constituency tor teachers; but, at the same time, they 1 ~trti~ : ~ ~ are considering this proposal. In that consideration are Government also Shri Bibudhendra Misra: When a tatives of the State Governments decision is taken, certainly the Par- agreed to consider this matter. liament will have the right to discuss Shri Sharma: May know it in the sense that a legislation has D. C. I to be brought forward before the if the Central Government has been Parliament under article 171 of the in touch with the State Governments Constitution. on this matter and, if so, what is the information received from the State Shri S. Kalldappan: What are the Governments by the Central Go'rern- reasons given by the Election Com- ment? mission for the abolition and whether Shri Thimmaiah: We wrote to the the Commission has suggested this of State Governments during the month its own accord? of March and some of the State Gov- ernments have replied that the mat- Shri Bade: What is the main ter is being considered very actively reason? by the respective Governments. Shri S. Kandappan: What are the main reasons given? Shri D. C. Sharma: May I know if the setting up of soft coke depots and Shrj Bibudhendra Misra: I gave the dumps will be entirely the concern details. It is the States and also the of the State Governments administra- Election Commission. tively, economically, and otherwise or the Central Government will also Soft Coke Depots and Dumps have some hand in it? + The Minister of Steel, Mines and .12ft J Shri D. C. Sharma: Heavy Engineering (Shri C. Subra- . l Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: maniam): Governments are not in- volved in it. It is giving per:nission Will the Minister of Steel, ine~ for priv:tte ~o ~ t.o have these alld Deav," Engineering be pleased to state: dumpg. (a) whether it is a tact that the Shri Bade: What is the amolll"t of soft coke deposited with you already State Governments have been urged and how will it be distributed among upon through the Coal Transport Advisory Committee to consider th'" the States? question of freely granting licences Shri Thimmaiah: I can give the and permits for opening of soft coke production of 1963. It is about 2'29 depots and dumps; and million tons. (b) if so, the reaction of the State Shrl Bade: How will it be distri- Governments thereto? buted to the States. Will Madhya Pradesh get more quota? The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Steel, Miaes and Heavy Shri C. Subramaniam: These are Enrineering (Shri Thimmaiah): (a) generally distributed in the northern and (b). Yes. This question was dis- States. Whatever we have prodolced cussed at a few meetings of the Sub· has been sold. Conunittee of the Coal Transport Advisory Committee, when represen- Shri Heda: May I know whether tatives of the' various State Govern- with a view to encourage consump- ments were also present. The State tion . of coke in rural sector, 90 that Governments were requested to the cow-dung may be saved from consider the question of relaxing being used as fuel, the Government procedures for grant of licences for are considering to giVe some subsidy opening soft coke depots and coal by which more depots and d!unps dumps, as adequate sUlPplies of coal could be opened, accessible to the were now available. The reprt'len- rural areas? 13815 Ora! Answer8 VAISAKHA 11, 1888 (SAKA) Oral Answers 13816 Shrl C. Subramaniam: Firstly, the be used as a substitute for cow-dune question will have to be tackled with in regard to domestic fuel. regard to production of these lue1s, Shri C. Subramaniam: Now, they soft coke and smokeless coke. We are being allowed to produce with- are taking up this matter to ro u~e ou t any restrictions. To the exten t amokeless fuel by low temperature they are able to produce, they will carbonisation method, and if there is be able to supply the rural popula- sufficient production, I do agree thct tion. But as I have already stated, there will be sufficient propaganria tor soft coke alone would not meet the this purpose. But in a commodity deP.1and. We shall have to produce like this, I do not think it will be pos- smckeless tuel from low grade non- sible to give subsidy. coking coal. 1If' ~ ~ ~~ : ~ lfi!: ;;rr;;.;r ~ n q IQ.(I({&flq 8Q1,,", ~ ~ ~ ~ ;;ft 'lim ifI ~ o ~ ~ i + it~~~ rn ~ fmJ: m<: wr<: 'filT ,, lDternatioual Trade CoafereDce.t ings which are inward looking, they Geneva are totally disfavouted by India; we are for regional economic grouping. + which are forward looking and which r Dr. L. M. ~h i have preference towards the product. 1 8 .~ Shri p C. Borooah: of the less developed countries. L Shri P. R. Chakraverti: Will the Minister of lDternational Dr. L. M. Slnghvl: What, in the Trade be pleased to state; opinion of the Indian delegation and what, in the opinion Of the general (a) whether the Conference on consensus of discussion at the confer- International Trade held in Geneva In ence, are the possible methods of March, 1964 was attended by a delega- changing the existing institutional tion from India and if so, the person- machinery for effecting the expansion nel of the delegation; and of international trade? (b) whether the case of less deve- loped and developing economies was put forth at the Conference and if so, Shri Manubhal Shah: We have sponsored a resolution; very soon our with what result? delegation will submit to Committee The Minister of InternatlOllal Tra4e IV that the conference must be made (Shri Manubhai Shah); (a) Yes, Sir. permanent; that it should be a stand- A list showing the members of the ing committee of the United Nations Indian Delegation is placed on the answerable only to the General Table of the House. [Placed in Lib- Assembly; that the budget money rary. See No. LT-2833/64.] must flow from the U.N. and there should be an experts commission (b) Yes, Sir. An indication of the attached to the Permanent Secre- results in terms of what will be done tariat and that the standing com- for the expansion of trade and deve- mittee should meet periodically, at lopment of the less-developed coun- least once in six months. tries will be available after the Con- ference is over. Relevant documents regarding the background, agenda and >.iff "0 01'0 fir tf<:"'fi ifT ~ ~ 11 .p::a- r; If<'£Ff PriDta.ng Industry if<: foo tf;r. ~ t~ ~ + J Shri Yashpal Singh: ~~ ¥'R:k WI" ~ ~ ·1288. l Shri P. C. Borooah: ~ ~ ir ~~ ~ tf<:"'fi Shri S. M. BlLDerjee: It is stated that Shri C. Subramaniam: 1 hope they 9 licences have been given to the are genuine ones, and some of them private sector people. What are the are taking very active steps to im- names and what is the value of the plement the project. licences? Export of Iro. Ore 8hr! p. C. Sethi: I have not got information about the value with me. 01290 f Shr! Subodh Hansda: But the names are: Messrs. Printers . L Shr! Maheswar Nalk: House Led., New Delhi, Messrs. Will the Minister of Interaatioaa.i Oriental Elec1rical Engineering Co. Trade be pleased to state: Ltd., Calcutta, Messrs. Ramkrishna Machinery Corporation, Coimbatore, (a) whether it is a fact that the Messrs. Sahu-Jain Ltd., Calcutta, Minerals and Metals Trading Cor- Messrs. Orient Engineering and poration has entered into agreement Commercial Company, Calcutta, with a number of socialist countries Messrs. R. S. Doshi, Rajkot, The for sale of iron ore in the current Gujarat Machinery Man!.!!acturers financial year; Ltd., Messrs. Manubhai and Sons, Messrs. P. R. Ramakrishna, Coimba- (b) if so, the countries with which tore. it has entered into the agreement; (c) total q uan tity of iron are to Shri Ranga: Is it the policy of be exported under this agreement; Government to give them active help and and assistance in addition to provid- ing know-how facilities also in order (d) the mode of payment of the to enable them actually to establish amount due as the price of ore? these concerns and make them go into prod uction? The Minister of InterJlational Trade (Shri Manubha! Shah): (a) Yes, Sir. Shri C. Subramalliam: We are in- tereste-l in the development of this (b) Czechoslovakia, Rumania, industry and we are trying to give Yugoslavta, Po,Jand and Hungary. alJ possible assistance. The contract with the German Demo- cratic Republic is yet to be conclud- Shri Rajaram: Has any collaboration ed. been arrang .. d with West German concerns for manufacturing printing (c) Agreements have been con- machines here? cluded for export of 22'20 Jakh tons (including 4'00 lakh tons at Buyer'S Shri C. Subramaniam: do not option). think there ha~ been any collaboration with West Germany. I do not have (d) The payment will be made in 1111 the details. non-convertible Indian rupees. Shri S. C. Ramanta: The hon. Min- ,Shri Subodh Hansda: I would like ister stated that 9 licences have been to know what is the grade of iron issued. May J know Whether 9 plants ore and the iron content of the ore, will have to be imported? that is to be exported? Oral Answers VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) Ora! Answers 13827 Shri MaIlubbai Shah: About 62, 63 ceived by the Corporation as against lts requirement of 6500 tOIUi for the Bnd also some 67. quarter beginning the 1st April, 1964, Shri Subodh Haasda: Since negoti- and that during the last quarter the ations with GDR are going on, when supply fell short at the demand by will they be finalised? 1200 tons; and Shri Manubhal Shah: is just to It (c) whether Government n~ e be signed. Otherwise, it is all finalis- taken any steps to make up the short- ed. .. , age expeditiously and if so, the detail!! Shri R. S. Pandey: Which are the thereof? countries interested in the import of The Miaister Industry (Shrl low-grade iron are from us? of Kanungo): (a) No information in Shri Maaubbai Shah: It does not this respect is available with the arise out of this. But I may say that Government. arti u~r Japan is interested in low-grade iron are. (b) For the quarter beginning 1st April, 1964, against a demand of 10,000 Shri P Veakatasubbalah: May I tonnes for the Delhi Municipal Cor- know whether Bailadilla and Kiri- poration, an allotment of 9,250 tonnes buru iron ore are fully exploited to has been made to them by the Delhi supply iron ore to these countries? Administration. During the quarter Or are we making any other arrange- Jan-March. 1964, against an allot- ments to export iron ore since Japan ment of 6700 tonnes, supplies were ~ interested in this particular ore? made to the extent of 7,438 tonnes. Shri Manubhai Shah: In Bailadilla, (c) Government have taken all as the House is aware, we ll:ave sunk possible steps to sPeed up supplies to Rs. 28 crores. Why should we abandon Dclhi Municipal Corporation agail1llt it? We are exporting from Bailadilla. such quotas as may be allotted to Shri Ramachandra U1aka: What is them by the Delhi Administration. the quota allocated to Orissa for ex- port? Dr. I,. M. Singhvi: What are the main causcs of the shortage of cement Shri Manubhai Shah: No. There supplied to the Delhi Corporation! has been no quota system. But the Tonka Daitara area and the Pachmati Shri Kanungo: There is an over-all area are being developed in Orissa. shortage of cement all over the coun- As the House is aware we are having try. The availability of cement is also a big project at Paradip. about 8 lakh tons manufactured as against an estimated demand of mOM SHORT NO'l1ICE QUESTION than 15 lakh tons. Therefore, it hall got to be rationed. Allotments are Cement Shortage ia Delhi made to the Delhi Administration, and the Delhi Administration allots to the S.N.Q. 22. Dr. L. M. Singhvi: Delhi Municipality. As far as the Will the Minisl.er of Industry be Municipality is concerned, from th,' pleased to state: figures I have given it will be seen that they have received whatever (a) whether it is a fact that a num- they were allotted. ber of Munici):!!ll projects under the Delhi Municipal Corporation have Dr. L. M. Singhvi: Am I to ;Inder- been stalled due to serious shortage stand, in the light of the answer l:iven - of cement; by the Minister, that the shortage is (b) whether it is alSO a fact that of the order of '1 lakh tons every only 600 tons of cement had been re- month? Oral Answers MAY 1, 1964 Oral Answers Shri Kanungo: Yes, all over the Shri Kanungo: Every State makes country. I am talking of the coun- its own assessment and asks tor it~ try as a whole. requirements, and every quarter they are told how much they aTe to get, Dr. L. M. Sing-hvi: I would like to and the)' {lccordingly arrange tneir know whether the Municipality had housing programme. informed the authorities concerned in good time in respect of its require- 8hri Barish Chandra Mathur: The ments; if so, why arrangements were LIe has launched a big housing pro- not made to supply them cement on gramme advancing loans very re- a priority basis. cently. Shri Kanungo: have given tce Mr. Speaker: There ought to be figures. During the last quarter, some co-ordination in this re~ e t. The January-March, the Quota allotted to States should know the total quota them was 6,7()() tonnes, and delivery that is there and the allotment that was made more than that, namely would be made to each State. When 7,438 tonnes. Of course, the total they are issuing loans, they should be requirements might not have been aware of that fact also th3.t met. that much of cement would be available to them and they should not 8hri IIarish Chandra l\lathur: It is advance loans recklessly or hapha- really alarming to know that tr.ere is zardly. That is the question. such a wide gap between demand and Shri Kaaungo: That is what I have supply. In the context of this, how is said. They are informed about the it that the Government is promotinl! quantity of cement which is available housing schemes, advancing loans all with them in the States for every over the country, with no cement to quarter. construct? May I know in this con- text what priority they are giving to P..tr ~1 1 ~ ~ m 'Fl'T ~ qpj agricultural works? 'lQ'T ~ f'fi' :;r) fqf'+l?r ~ ;;rT{T o;f1->: Shri Kanungo: There are several <:rJllt been taken either to step up produc- Steel Plant is being fabricated In a tion of cement or cut down the pro- private heavy engineering factory; grammes of house-building loans and (b) if so, where and with what per- all that? centage of foreign collaboration; and 8hri Kaaunro: I have said that the (c) whether any plan is afoot to stepping up of production ~ being acquire self-suffiCiency in the manu- taken care of and by 1966 the position facture and fabrication of country'. will be, not comfortable, but not quite future steel plant requirements? !l0 bad. In the meantime, about the loaning policies of the State Govern- The Minister of Steel, Mmes and Heavy EngiaeeriJlr (Shrl C. Subrama- ments and other authorities, the State Governments are told about the allot- mam) : (a) The order for the blast furnace has been placed on a West ment per quarter and they have got to arrange their housing proeramme German firm. They will have some of the equipment, structurals and re- accordingly. fractories made in India. Dr. P. S. De!lhrnukh: May I know (b) It is understood that the Con- if in this scard ty busi ness any priority tractor has not yet ina i~e arrange- is given to the requirements of agri- ments for indigenous manufacture. culture and educational institutions? (c) Action is being taken to assess Shri Kanungo: Yes; I believe re- the likely indigenous svailability of quirements of agriculture means irri- steel plant machinery and equipment gation projects and such other thiniS. during the fourth five year plan period in order to meet the demands to the ~r tmtm'f ~ ~ f'f. ¥i ~ maximum extent from indigenous ~ q:;f ~ ~ " HladnstllJl Step.l Ltd. ~ it1.IT me; lim ~ ~ -1281. Shrl p. C. Borooah: Will the tffif ~ ~ ~ f.m m<:: 'Ii'T Minister of Steel, Miaes and HeaTY (b) Accounts tor the yeBr 1963-64 (d) There is abundant supply of the have not yet been closed. The finan- type of raw coal needed for soft coke cial results are, however, expected to manufacture, and production of soft show significant improvement over coke is adequate to meet the demand 196Z-63 results. fully. (c) Step! have been taken to mini- mise loss by maximising production, Loans to Tea Estates improving yields and mmimisini con- :;;umption ot raw materials. 01289. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the Minister of Intel'llattoaal Trade be pleased to refer to the reply given to o~ Coal Unstarred Question No. 384 on the 01Z8!l. J Shri Rameshwar Taatia: 22nd November, 19G3 and state: Shri Ram Ratan Gupta: L (a) the actual amounts i~bur e Will the Minister ot Steel,Mlnes and during 1963 by the Tea Board to tea Heavy Engineering be pleased to refer plantations in different regions for to the reply given to starred Question financing their replantation/new plan- No. 903 on the 3rd April, 1964 Bnd tation schemes out of the revolvina state: fund of Rs. 5 crores; and (b) whether there is any restriction (b) how much of thiS fund has on on the use o~ low ra e~ of coking an average been under circulation coal in the manufacture d soft coke; with the Tea Estates and how much of it is usually kept in reserve? (b) whether it is a fad that grade TIl has not been declared coking coal The Millister of Intematioaal Trade and deposits 01 grade II (equivalent (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) While the to erade HH cokini! cCal) are abun- actual amount disbursed by the Tea dant: Board during 1963 by way of 1st ins- talment was Rs. 29.25 lakhs, the total (c) the reaS0ns fur lJl'posing res- committed loan amount tor which trictions; and documents had been executed by thlt· borrowing parties was Rs. 174.09 laIms. (d) how lrl)Vernment :propose 110 The regionwise breakup is as follows: meet the requirement of soft coke? The Minister for Steel, Mines and Region 1St Total instalment amount Heavy EngineerinK (Shri C. Subra- disbursed Com- maaJam): (a) There is no !uch res- mitted triction. In fact it is low grade cok- ing coal that goes into the manufac- ture of soft coke. Rs. in lakhs Rs. in lakh. Assam • (b) Grade m coal, I.e. coal with ash content exceeding 24 per cent is not West Bengal II' 62 80'00 classified as coking coal, as such high- ash coal cannot serve metallurgical Southern India 17'43 purposes. The reserves of Gr. II (i.e. Gr.HH) coking coal are adequate, but because of the progressively expand- (b) Funds are released by Govern- ing steel programme or the country, ment to the Tea Board from time to· they cannot be considered too abun- time against requisitions to meet the dant. actual disbursements to the Tea Estates. No amount is kept in reserY& (e) Does not ariJe. by the Board. 13835 Written Answers VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) Written Answers 1383& Manufacture of Truckl (c) This will depend on several fac- tors, such as the extent 01 the deposit, 01291. Shri p. C. Borooah: Will the its location, depth, related geological Minister of Steel, Mines aad Heavy and economic lac tors. En&'ineeriag be pleased to state: Mechanisatioa M.Ines (a) whether Messrs Ashok Leyland ot have submitted a proposal to Govern- Z7 Import of Wool from Nepal Sethi): (a) and (b). The application of the Government of Punjab tor a 2750. Shri Hem Raj: Will the licence for the establishment of a new Minister of lJttcrnational Trade be Industrial Undertaking either at pleased to state the quantity 01 wool Patiala or Nangal for the manufacture imported from Nepal during 1962.-€3 of heavy electrical equipment is still and 1963-64 and the price thereof? under consideration in consu1.ation with the State Government. The MiAister of International Trade (Shri Manubhai Shah); During 1 6~ Industrial ManagemeBt Pool omcel'll 63 and 1963-64 (April 1963-February 1964) India imported 43,600 and 36,937 2 ~. J h~ Bal Krishaa Si.ngh: kilograms respectively of raw wool L Shri I. B. S. BIst: from Nepal. While information is not Will the Minister of Steel, Mlae. available about the price of wool and Heavy Engineering be pleased to during 1962-63, the average c.i.t. price state: per kilogram for 1963-64 was Rs. 6.85. (a) the total number of posts of Latin-Americaa Trade Co-ordinatioa General Managers, Deputy General Confereace Managers, Senior Administrative and Personnel Officers under his Ministry; 2751. Shri p. R. Chakrjlvertl: W'll and the Minister of Interaational Traa" be pleased to state: (b) the number of posts filled b,. the Officers of the Industrial Manage- (a) whether India had been invited ment Pool in the Public sector under along with Yugoslavia and other Afro- the control of his; Ministry? .~ian nations to a spe<:ial session of the Latin-American Trade Co-ordina·· The Deputy Minister of Steel, Mlne!l tion Conference held in Argentina in and Heavy Ellglneering (Shrl P. C. March, 1964; and :Sethil: (a) The total number of post! under the various undertakings of (b) it so, whether she participatC'd this Ministry are as below:- in it? General Managers 19 The Mialster of Internatiollal Trade (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) Yes, SIl". Deputy Gpneral Managers 18 Senior Administrative and (b) Yes, as an observer. Personnel i er~. 2511 Manufacture of Heavy Electrical (b) 56. Equipmellt at Nangal 2752. Shri Daljlt Singh: Will the Power)oom Centres Minister off Steel, ItUnes alld Heavy Engineering be pleased to refer to the r Sari M. L. Jadhav: reply given to Unstarred Question 2754. ~ Shri Jedhe: No. 187 on the 14th February, 1964 and l Shri LonJkar: state: Will the Minister of Industr:r be (a) whether any decision has since pleased to state: been taken for setting up the propos- (a) the efforts made to improve the ed Industrial Undertaking for the working conditions of the weaver. manubctUlret 01! Hdavy :EIeutri.cal in the powerloom industry; Bquipment at Nangal; and (b) whether tlhere are any industrial (b) if so, the nature thereof? estates and weavers' colonies at the The Deputy Mlnlster of Steel, Mines weaving centres of the powerloom ~ Heav,. iaee~ (Shri P. C. centres; and 13g 39 Written Answers VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) Written Answers (c) it so, the location thereof? Polyester Fibre Manufacture The Minister of Industry (Shri 275'1 { Shri Ramachandra Ulalta: Kanungo): (a) to (c). A statement i" a. Shri Dhuleshwar Meeaa: laid on th" Table of the House. Will the Minister at IRdustry be [Placed ilL Library. See No. LT-2835i pleased to state: 64]. (a) the number of applications for manufacture of polyester fibre in India Second FOUAdry Forge Plant pending at present with GoverrunenL for consideration; and 2'1lJlJ J Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: . \. Shri Dhuleshwar Meeaa: (b) the details thereof? Will the Minister of Steel, MlJaell The Minister Of lD.dustry (Shrl and Heal'y Engineering be pleased to Kanungo): (a) Two. refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. 93 on the 14th February, (b) (1) M!s. The Premier FilID.II 1964 lind state: (P) Ltd., Vijayawada. They propose to set up a factory at Vizagpatam in (a) whether the matter in regard collaboration of Mis. Von Kohorn to the establishment of Second Foun- Universal Corporation USA, with an dry Forge Plant in the country has installed capacity of 2 million kgs. per since been considered by Govern- annum. ment; and (2) Mis. V. S. Sivalingam Chettiar,. Madras. They propose to set up an (b) if so, the details thereof? undertaking in Madras State for manufacture of 2 million kgs. per an- num of polyester fibre. The Minister of Steel, Mines a.d Heavy Engineerln&, (Shri C. Subra- EIhibitioD in Belgrade mania.m): (a) and (b). The next step is the preparation of a Detailed Pro- 2758. Shri R. S. Pandey: Will the ject Report and this has been taken Minister of Interaational Trade be up. pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that GOY- Seco.d Mining Machinery Plant ernment are organising an exhibition in Belgrade this year; and 2758 J Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: . l Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: (b) if so, the details thereot? The Minister of International Trade Will the Minister Steel, Mines ot (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) Gowrn- a.Jld Heavy Engineering be pleased to ment have an intention of organising state: of an Indian Exhibition in Belgrade during the current financial year. (a) whether the location of the second mining machinery plant to be (b) Yugoslavian Importing Organi- Bet up with the help of Polish Gov- sa lion 'have been repeatedly putting ernment has been decided; and forward the plea that as our manufac- tured ror ~~t arti u ar consu- (b) it !l0, the details thereof? mer goods-have not received enough pUblicity in Yugoslavia, consumer in- The nePllty Minister of Steel, Mille!! terest has not been built up. It is, and Heavy Engineeri.D.r (Shri P. C. therefore, proposed to organise on a Sethi): (a) Not yet. medium scale an exhibition il\ Yugo- slavia towards the. end of February or (b) Does not arise. early in March, 1965, in which a vast Written Answers MAY 1, 1964 Written Answers array of consumer goods will be ~ (b) if so, (;{)vernment's reaction played along with some selected IndIan thereto? manufactures. The Millister Of Iadustrr (Shri Shortage of Steel and Pig Iron KUUDgO): (a) Yes, Sir. %759. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the (b) The yarn shortage is essentially Minister of Steel, Mines and Heavy due to reduced foreign exchange al- EBgineering be pleased to state: location for raw wool/tops. However, (a) whether it is a fact that the within the overall availability, the President of the Federation of Indian spinning mills have agreed to make Chambers Of Commerce and Industry available by the end of June, 1964 at the meeting of the Standing Com- the entire quantity allocated to the mittee of the Central Advisory Coun- small scale units. cil on Industries on 21st March 1964 remarked that the shortage of' t~ lneome-tax Appellate Trillullal and pig iron was the biggest hurdle in the way of industrial expansion; %7h J Shrl Shree Narayaa Das: . "\.. Shri Yaahpal i.~ a (b) if so, to what extent the state- the Minister ment is considered tenable; and Will ot Law b. pleased to state: (c) the steps being taken to im- (a) whether any suggpstion has been prove the position and how far steel received by Government for the as- production is behind the schedule? similation of the Income Tax Appel- The Deputy Minister of Steel, Minelli late Tribunal in the High Court; and Heavy EngineeriBg (Shri P. C. (b) if so, the details thereof; and Sethi): (a) and (b). No Sir. At the meeting there were references how- (e) the' rp"ction of Government ever to shortages in the supply of ;ron thereto' and steel to industrial units. The Deputy Minister ill the Minis- (c) To ease the supply position of try of Law (Shri Bibudhendra Misra): pig iron. imports of pig iron to the (a) to (c). The Chief Justice of India extent of 150,000 tons to 180,000 tons in the course Of his inaugural speech have been arranged during 1963-64. at the Conference' of Members of the In regard to steel imports to the ex- Income-tax Appellate Tribunal on tent Of one million tons of the catego- 28-3-1964 expressed the view that it ries of which the shortage is most would be more satisfactory if the pronounced are arranged with the res- appeals on facts and law which are tricted amount Of foreign exchange at present entertained by the Income- available. tax Appellate Tribunal are transfer- red to the High Courts in the different States. The suggestion is being exa- Small-scale Woollen Manufacturerii' mined by G 2'161. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the ~m iiaiM Minister of Industry be pleased to state: ~ "" ~ ~ iw: 'tiff' nittT 1i":fT v:rn: ~ lI>'T (li) t ~ W, ~ i ~m (b) whether this !has also been exa- mined by the Geologists of Rourkel. m ~ ~~ ~i Steel Plant; and ~ Qll'T (lilT 1fi'T1.i'f'fT): ( ~ ) (c) if so, the result thereof? f;l'Tl: (li). rr r~ ~~ '1ft :;no ~ The Deputy MiIlister in the Minis- .~ f;l'R ~ tr m r~ ~ '1ft iR q-{ try of Steel, Mines and BeayY EongiDeering (Shri P. C. Sethi): (a) ti ~m W ift No new deposits of limestone have been recorded by the Geological Sur- Heavy Indlllltrie5 In States vey of India. However, limestone de- 2764. Shrl Daljit Siagh: Will the posits of Singhbhum are known to Minister of Steel, Miaes &lid Heavy exist for a long time. EngiIleering be pleased to state: (b) Yes, Sir. (a) the number of heavy industries (c) The investigation is still in pro- which have been established by !!he gress and it is premature to say any- Central Government in different thing at present. States during the Third Five Year Plan so far; Enrollinr of Law Graduates u .A.dvocates (b) the names and location of such heavy industries established in Punjab 2766. Shri ledhe: Will the Minister during the Third Five Year Plan so of Law be pleased to state: far; and (a) whether it is a fact that under (c) the names and location of the the provisions Of the Advocate. Act, heavy industries which are to be set 1961, all law graduates who obtaL'1ed up in Punjab during the remaining their law degree before the 28th period of the Third Five Year Plan? February, 1963 are eligible for enrole- ment as advocates; The Deputy Minister in the Minis- try of Steel, Miaes and Heavy (b) whether it is also a fact that Plngineering (Shrl P. C. Sethi): (a) this date is going to be extended; and 20 units of heavy industries (includ- (c) if so, when the suitable legisla- ing expansion of existing units) are tion for this purpose will be introduc- being set up by the Ministry of ed? Steel, Mines and Heavy Engineering in different States during the Third The Deputy Miaisler In the Miais- Five Year Plan. try of Law (Shri Bibudhendra Misra): (b) A Machine tools factory has (a) Yes, Sir. been established at Pinjore in Punjab (b) Yes, Sir. during the Third Five Year Plan. (c) The necessary legislation for the (c) At re ~nt there is no ~o o a purpose, namely the Advocates for the location of any new unit of (AmE'ndment) Bill, 1964 was passed heavy industry in Punjab during the by the Lok Sabha on 25th April, 1964. remainin~ period of the Third Five Year Plan. Spare Parts of Tractors Shri Ram Harkh Yadav: Limestone Deposits in Slllghbhum r 2'711T. \. Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: 2765. Shri Subodh Hansda: Will the Will the Minister of International Minister of Steel, MinI'S and Heavy Trade be pleased to state: Engineering be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that the (a) whether it is a fact that a hu~e firms dealing in tractors are not al- deposit Of Limestone has been found lowed to import spare parts of the in the district of Singhbhum (Bihar); tractors for supply to farmers; and Written Answers MAY 1, 1964 Written Answers (b) if so, the action taken in the been recorded by the Geological Sur- matter? vey of India. The Mlttister of International ra ~ Small and uneconomic occurrences (Shrl Manubhai Shah): (a) No, Sir. of the following minerals have also All Established Importers of tractors been recorded: are allowed to import spare parts of tractors. Glass Sands, Gold, Graphite, ilmenite, Limestone, Mica a!!d (b) Does not arise. Soapstone. Steel Plallt at Paradip Port (c) The State Government is con- Sidering the matter. 2'768 J Shri Ramachandra UIalta: '\.. Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: Shortage of Pi!:, Iron in Orissa Will the Minister of Steel, Mines Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: and Heavy Engineering be pleased m r II. Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: to state: l Will the Minister of Steel, MInes (a) whether Government propose to and Heavy Engineering be pleased to set up a Steel Plant at Paradip Port state: in Orissa during the Third Or Fourth (a) whether it is a fact that much' Plan period; and ditliculty was experienced by the (b) if so. the particulars thereof? small industries in Orissa in getting sufficient quantity of pig iron The Deputy Minister in the Minis- during 1963-64; try of Steel, Mines and Heavy Engineering (Shri P. C. Sethi): (a) (b) if so, how man)' such industries No, Sir. were closed down in "Orissa fOr want of pig iron during the same period; (b) Does not arise. (c) whether Government have any Mineral Deposibi In Orissa proposals to increase the ~uota of pig iron for Orissa during 1964-65; and %769 J Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: . 1 Shri Ramachandra UIaka: (d) if so, the total quantity of pig Iron allotted to Orissa during 1964-65? Will the Minister of Steel, MInes ud Heavy EBgineering be pleased to The Deputy MInister In the }IInis- atate: try of Steel, Mines and Heavy Engi- neering (Shri P. C. Sethi): (a) There (a) whether it is a fact that mineral is an all round shortage of pig iron deposits have been found in, Koraput for industries not only in Orissa State District (Orissa); but in other States also. The total availability of pi'g iron in 1963-64 was (b) if so, the names of the minerals; Bnd about 1.2 million tonnes against the estimated demand of over two million (e) the steps taken or being taken tonnes. It has, therefore, bpen possi- by Government to utilise these valu- ble to meet only a part of the de- able minerals? mand of all States. The Deputy Minister In the Minis- (b) Government is not aware of try of Steel, Mines and Heavy Engi- the closure of industries in Orissa for neering (Shrl P. C. Sethi): (a) Yes, want of pig iron. Sir. (c) and (d). Allocation of pig (b) Deposits of bauxite, clays, iron iron for HIM-65 has not yet been ores, manganese ores and others have finalised. l3847 Written Answers VAISAKHA 11,1886 (SAKA) WrittenAnswcrs 13848 Cement Requirement of Orissa (b) Allotment of Stainless Steel Sheets was not made to Orissa or any f Shri Dholeshwar Meena: other State during 1963-64. 2771.1. Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: (C) It is proposed to import 2,000 Will the Minister of Industry be tonnes of stainless steel for utensil pleased to state: manufacture and out of this about 30 (a) the present requirement of tonnes will be allotted to Orissa State. cement for Orissa; Employees in Public UndertakiRg8 (b) the quantity of cement actually 2773. Shri D. J. Naik: Will the supplied to Orissa during 1963-64; and Minister of Steel, Mines and Heavy Engineering be ple The Deputy Minister in the Minis- 2775. Shrt Liladhar Kotoki: Wi!! try of Steel, Mines and Heavy Engi- the Minister of Industry be pleased aeering (Shri P. C. Sethi): (a) No to state: recent assessment of requirements of (a) whether the Khadi and Village stainless steel fOr Orissa, or for that Industries Commission has restric- matter any State, has been made. ed granting Of rebate on sale of looms Written Answers MAY I, 1964 Writte7t AnS1Ders and weaving accessories i.e. saran- ~ ~ ~ ~ '..nfifilT ~ 'ffi{- jams to only weavers on the roll of certified institutions thereby depriv- ~ m(lr!fiT srfumr ~ mrrr ing most of the traditional weavers t r ~ ~ ·of Assam who prodUce cotton, endi, muga, pat (silk). all of which are (til") m ~ if ~ ..n ~ n kbadis; and m (e) The amount actually sanctioned ~ 'roif;[ ;;ro:w;fi if! [l1J 80 rar against the allocation of i r ~ ~ ti ~ I ~ ~ ;;>am am 'fi"t !Gil ;;rr ,, Ityanite Minla, the production therefrom Were lUI follows: !'Jill. Shri H. C. Soy: Will the Indian Kharsawan Mishri Minister of Steel, Mines ILlld Heavy o ~ Mineral La! Engineering be pleased to state: Corpora- Corpora- Dharam- tion tion chand Ltd. and Co. (a) the total area quarried and (Lopso mine) production per acre of Kyanite Min- Area under ing concerns, namely (i) I.C.C. (Lopso lease Kyanite), (ii) Kharswan Mineral Cor- (acres) 4,32.0 1,804 04,163 poration and (iii) Mishri Lal Dharam total pro- Chand and CD., for the last five years; duction and in tonnes 1959 13,119 1,2.75 300 1960 16,767 2.,3° 6 177 (b) the quantity ot their exports 1961 20,380 5,492 369 for the same period and the amounts 1 6~ 04 1,791 4,82.3 1,999 of money so earned? 1963 18,076 5,737 6MS "the Deputy Minister in the Minis- (b) The quantity of Kyanite des- try of Steel, Mines and Heavy Engi- patched for export and its value are neering (Shrl P. C. Sethi): (a) Infor- given below based on the infonnation mation is not available about the total furnished by the mine-owners to the area quarried and prod uction per Director, Indian Bureau of Mmes as acre Of the three mining concerns. required under the Mineral Conserva- The leased areas of the concerns and tion and Development Rules, 1958:- Year M'S Indian Copper Kharsawan Mineral Mi'hri Lal Corporation Ltd. Corporation Dhar"fllCb,nd n.d Co. ------ ~uantit Value ------Quantity Value Quantity Value annes) (Rs.) (tonnes) (Rs.) (tonnc,) (Rs.) 1959 16476 4455 332.1 850 259 68(e) 1960 21582 553 1 2343 600 117· 30(e) 1961 24 864 6295 42.68· 1071(e) 357· 90(e) 1962 28041 6951 4221 94 2 1619 393(e) 1963 18696 4502 4752- I207(e) 6667· 1693 (e) ·Railments for export. (e) Estimated on the average F.O.B. price during the year. Kyanite Mining in Bihar (b) whether these two companies 2782. Shri H. C. Soy: Will the are violatin&, certain e_ntial tel'IM Minister ot Stee.!, Mines and Heavy of these leases to the detriment of Engineeri.nr be pleased to :;;tate: our overall position of Kyanite ex- ports? (a) the terms of the lease srranted to I.C.C. (Lopso Kyanite) Co. in The Deputy Minister in the Minis- Bihar and Mishri Lal Dharm Chand try of Steel, MiIes and Heavy End- " Co. in Singhbhum; Bihar; and nee~ (Shri P. C. Sethi): (a) and 13855 Written Answers VAISAKHA 11,1886 (SAKA) Written Answers 13856 (b). The information has been call- do not know the language of the ed for from the State Government Scheduled Tribes; and and will be placed on the Table of the HOUse On receipt. (c) if so, the steps taken to reorient their training? Khadi aDd Village Industries Com.mission The Deputy Minister in t.he MiniB- try of Steel, Mines and Heavy Engi- 2783. Shri Sivamurthi Swamy: Will Deering (Shri p. C. Sethi): (a). The the Minister of Illdustry be pleased percentage of Adivasi labour employ- to state: ed on Muster Roll basis and on regu- (a) whether it is a fact that Khadi lar basis is 72 and 3 respectively. and Village Industries Commission's grants to producing centres have been (b) and (cl. The Labour Welfare stopped all over India; Ofllcer has not yet been appointed. The information about the other La- (bl if so, what alternative scheme bour Welfare staff is being collected is being considered to meet the com- and will be laid on the Table of the petition with IBill-made cloth; and House as ear~ as possible. (c) the steps being taken to make Import of Cotton from U.S.A. the cottage and village industries self-sufficient and self-supporting? 27!!3-B. Shri D. J. Naik: Will the Minister of Industry be pleased to The Minister of . Industry (Shrl state: Kanungo): (a) and (b). No, Sir. The Commission's grants' to producing (a) whether it is a fact that the Centres continue to be operative and Government of U.S.A. have agreed to have not been stopped. The Com- supply cotton to India under the P.L. mission, has, however introduced with 480 programme; and effect from 6th April. 1964 a free Weaving Subsidiary Scheme replac- (b) If so, the details thereof? ing the scheme Of rebate On sales The Minister of Industry (Shri. Ka- hitherto in force. The new scheme is nungo): (a) and (b). Yes, sir. The aimed at sell-sufficiency in clothing U.S. Government. have agreed to al- and increasing the present market locate to India under P.L. 480 a quan- for Khadi to meet the competition tity of 3,00.000 U.S. bales of cotton from mill-made cloth. worth about $ 47 million. (e) The Commission has been en- Delhi Co-operative Engineering and deavouring towards an intensified Oil Manu1acturing Industrial SOCiety, drive for fuller utilisation of capacity Limited with an cmphasis on improving qua- lity. It is hoped that some of the J Shri Koya: industries will become econ(}micaUY' 2783-C. L Shri Abdul Ghani Goni: more viable over a period of time, Will the Minister of Industry be pleased to state: Kiri Buru Mines (a). whether the working of the 27S3-A. Shri H. C. Soy: Will the Delhi Co-operative Engineering and Minister of Steel, Mines and Heavy Oil Manufacturing Industrial Society Engineering be pleased to stale: Ltd., Delhi has been suspended, be- (a) what percentage of t~e entire cause it owes large sums of money labour force at Kiri Buru Mines are to Government; and Adivasis; (b) if so, what procedure has been (b) whether it is a fact that the adopted to check the irregulari ties Labour Welfare Officer and his staff aDd to recover Government funds! Calling MAY I, 1964 Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance The Minister of Industry (Shrl Ka- '11 1$" ~ i1 ~ ~ nunl'o): (a) and (b). The information ~ ro ~r is being collected and, will be laid on m'I' Of 12.06 hrs. Some hon. Members r()sc- CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER Mr. Speaker: Let him get the in- OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE formation. If hon. Members want, I can allow them to put questions now, BOMB EXPLOSION IN POONCII PO\,lFR but l'he Minister will say that he hal HOUSE no information wilh him. Hon Mem- bers wou'd not be able to get any fur- ~ ~ r~ i 11~ ther information. Then, what would qr be the use? ~ i't ~ . n.r ~ it! f Information about this also may be REPORTS OF INDIAN PRODUCTIVITY 'rEAM given. Shri Manllbhai Shah: Sir, on behalf Mr. Speaker: That information also of SIllri Kanungo, I beg to lay on the might be collected and given. Table a COpy each of the foUowin, reports :- Shri Hem Barua: Sir, it is reported that this is the work of Pakistani sa- (i) Report of Indian Productivi- boteurs. Information may be collected ty Team On Plant Layout on that point also. Practices and Procedure. in Japan, USA and West Ger- many. lPlaced in Libra",. See PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE No. LT-2825/64]. NOTIFICATION UNDER THE MINES AND (ii) Report of Indian Productivity MINERALS (REGULATION AND DEVE- Team on Light Electrical In- LOPMENT) ACT, 1957 dustry in Japan, USA and West Germany. [Placed in The Minister of Steel, Mines and Library. See No. LT-2826/64]. Heavy Engineering (Shri C. Subrama- Diam): Sir, I beg to lay on the Table BOMBAY LAHOUR WELFARE BOARD (RE- a COPy of Notification No. S.O. 841 CONSTRUCTION) (AMENMENT) ORDER, dated the 14th March, 1964, under sub- 1964 AND NOTIFICATION UNDER 'IHE section (1) of section 28 of the Mines ALL 1!'llJTA SC,RVICES ACT, 1951 and Minerals (Regul:ltion and Deve- lopment) Act, 1957. [PlacLd in Lib- The Minister of State in the Minis- rary. See No. LT-2822/64J. try 01 Home Affairs (Shri Hathi): Sir, I beg to lay on the Table a copy each Corn INDUSTRY (REGISTRATION AND LI' at the foliowing Notifications:- CENSING) THIRD AMF.NDlV'ENT RUl.ES, 1964 AND RUBBER BOARD EMf'LOYEES' (i) The Bombay Labour Welfare CONDUCT (AMENDMENT) ~ 1964 Board (Rp('Onstitution) (Am- endment) Order, 1964, publish- The Minister of Internatioaal Trade ed in Notification No. S.O. (Shrl Manubhal Shah): Sir, I beg to 1219 dated the 11th April, 1964 lay on the Table a copy each of the under sub-section (5) of sec- following Rules:- tion 4 of the Inter-State Cor- porations Act, 1957. [Placed (i) The Coir Industry (Registration in Library. See No. LT-2827/ and Licensing) Third Amendment 64J Rules, 1964 published in Notification No. G.S.R. 585 dated the 1 ~ April, (ii) G.S.R. 816 dated the 18th 1964, under sub-section (3) of sec- May, 1963 making certain tion 26 of the Coir Industry Act, amendment to Schedule III 1953. [Placed in Library. See No. to the Indian Administrative LT-2823/64J. Service (Pay) Rules, 1954 under sub-section (2) Of sec- (ii) The Rubber Board Emp- tion 3 of the AI! India Servi- loyees' Conduct (Amendment) ces Act, 1951. [Placed in Rules, 1964 published in Notification Library. See No. ~828 6 . 13861 Messages from MAY 1, 1964 Business of the House Rajya Sabha [Shri Hathi] STATEMENT OF CASES IN WHICH THE Rules of Procedure and Conduct of LOWEST TENDERS HAVE NOT BEEN Business in the Rajya Sabha, I am ACCEPTED BY TIlE INDIA STORE directed to return herewith the Com- DF.PARTMENT, LONDON AND THE INDIA panies (Profits) Surtax Bill, 1964, SUPPLY MIsSION, WASHINGTON which was passed by the Lok Sabha at its sitting held 00 the 22nd April, 1964, The Deputy Minister in the Depart- and transmitted to ·the Rajya Sabha ment of Supply (Shri Jaganatha for its recommendations and to state P.ao): Sir, I beg to lay on the Table that this House has no recommenda- a statement of cases in which the low- tions to make to the Lok Sabha in re- est tenders have not been accepted gard to the said Bill.' by the India Store Department, Lon- don, and Vhe India Supply Mission, Washington, during the half year end- ing the 31st December, 1963. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-2829/64]. PRESENTATION OF PETITION ...n ~ r ~ (ofuft"4f.:r) : 1~ 12.13 hr.!. ~ it i~ ~mr The Wakf (Amendment) Bill, ~~ ~~t~ lfQ m'1 ~rr ~ 1964. ~~~~ The Slum Areas (Improve- ment and Clearance) Amend- Shri R.mga (Chittoor): May we ment Bill, 1963, as reported have an assurance, Sir, that we would by the Joint Committee. not be taken by surprise, we need The Stale Bank of India not have to be brought back again in (Amendment) Bill, 1963. Summer and the House would be given an opportunity of waiting till (3) Discussion under Rule 193 to August? The Government also would be raised by Shri Harish have an opportunity of giving a Chandra Mathur regarding second thought to this particular pro- Indian repatriates from newly blem. In the light of the recommen- independent countries of dations made by the Joint Committee Africa on Monday, the 4th and the observations made by the mi- May, 1964 at 4 P.M. nority group during the discussion that took place here in this House, "ft ~~n !iTmfT ~ : they might be able to be a little wiser than in the past and give a second ~ ~ ~o ~ ~ 'f1 thought to it. If they insist upon ~ ... doing such an unpopular and wrong thing, they can at least amend the "'I'T ~ fif"l ~ 1 ~ Bill suitably so that it would not be so dangerous. ~ .. Mr. Speaker: Here is a statement of t ~ ~ : .-;r;r ~ ~ 'for the business to be brought. When that comes up we can consider. ~ . TJ:'f. m" Shri S. M. Banerjee: The hon. on their teet must resume their seats. Prime Minister had said that no use- First ot all, this must be enforced ful purpose will be served and that "trictly; I will see to it. ... (Interrup- it should not be discussed when tion). There ought not to be any Sheikh Abdullah is here. But this ofl'ence taken. We are all fellow-tra- is u~h an important matter that even vellers in this world; therefore, there it we have to sit for two days more, ought not to be very serious offence we should discuss it because it has taken so far as that is con<:erned. Shri international repercu5sions. Therefore Banerjee has made his point that a we must have a discussion before the discussion on that should take place. .ession ends. If that is not possible then let Sheikh Abdullah go back Shri S. M. Banerjee: Tl/ere are two from this place and let Us not ad- other points. journ .... The second point is about the Bonu. Shri an~a We are certainly not in Commission. You remember, Sir, we favour of it. ~ , raised the question that Government'lII reaction to that should be made Shri S. M. Balaerjee. He is not known to us before the session ends Sheikh Abdullah nor is he 1!he Prime and the hon. Prime Minister was kind Minister or the Minister of Parlia- enough to concede our request and to mentary A1'lairs. I want an answer llay that he would refer the matter from the Minister. to the Minister concE'rned. We want to know as to what has happened to Shri Ranga: I am telling the Speak- that. er. The third point is thal myself. Shri Shri S. M. Banerjee: He may have Nath Pai and others have demanded a a chance to do that. half-an-hour discussion on the qUE'S- tion of dearness allowance. You re- Shri Ranga: I am not speaking t". member that yesterday the questior. this gentleman, Sir; I am speaking to was answered. We would only re- you. He also is a fellow-Member. That Quest that either the Minister should is all. make a statement becanse the Pay COmmission's recommendations have Shri S. M. Banerjee: I may be a already been accepted in this House :tellow-Member but [ am not a fellow- before the session ends, or a discus- traveller. sion should be allowed. Shri Ranga: I am not a fellow- I never wanted to impute any mo- traveller. He may be an agent of China .... tive to Shri Ranga. Simply because Shri Masani went to ....•• Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Mr. SpeakeI': Order. order; he is Shri Rani'll: He must wlt21araw imputing another motive. that ...... ClnteTT1.Lpticm). It is still a part of India ...... (Interruption). "f) ~ 11 ~ : '1,ft Shri Hiren Mukerjee (Calcutta and meanwhile we should all wish well en~ra Sir, we in this House might to the talks. We are sometimes get- hold whatever opinionli we may have tini rather confollnded by certain in regard to Kashmir Q.uelition but I reports which corne/from one place or am sure we,' are unanimoUii that we the other, Sometimes, we are rather Ihould do nothing which miiht hinder perturbed by certain movement! the steps that are now beini souiht whilh appear to be taking place in to be taken to solve l the problem to our, country at the present momen~ everybody's satisfaction. If we can- on this issue. We all want to help not effectively help in the matter, at and not to hinder. I make a submis- least we should not hinder. We might sion (hati the Prime Minister should have pur own convictions in regard to corne before the House before we this point. But I consider that since adjourn and take us intq confidence, the Prime Minister is holding very Let us know what he il 'likely to do serious conversations with I Sheikh in the matter, Abdullah, it would be pointless at this stage for us in this House to have a Shri Hem Buua (Gauhati): The discussion which miiht take on )over- other day, you, Sir, did a right thing tones which would not help but miiM when you said that there should be j conceivably hinder the proiress of the no discussion, before Sheikh Abdullah talks. Therefore, I sugieit that we meets the Prime Minister, on this very should not have ,a discussion in this important issue before the o~tr . House before the Prime Minister is in today. Particularly, I can tell !you a position to report to us something about Delhi that the climate here is very objective and concrete ,lin rE'gard heatC'd today because of this issue, to the conversations held. But I say this also, Sir, that since we are going Shri Bade: The whole country. to adjourn in only a/few days time, we should not go out of Delhi with a Shri Hem Barua: It might be tr.e feeling that we have nothing whatever whole country, But I am in Delhi an:! to do in regardito this problem which that is what I know of. There are is being left to the good offices at different views projected by different the Prime Minister and his advisers. people and most of these, views often It is incumbent on I this ou~e to be seem to be contradictory, I would in the know in r~ ar to how the say that it would not help any use- matter is going to be settled. There- ful purpose if we have a discussiorl} fore, I feel that i before the House nov: because the Prime Minister and adjourns, if it cines adjourn on th" other leaders of our country are 6th, the Prime Minister shtiuld come having important i~ u ion over this before us and give a resume iof what- matter with Sheikh Abdullah, But i ever is taking place in whatever then I would say, because Parliament' manner he thinks fit. He sho1,lld is supremC'ly concerned and the entire exercise his discretion and tell us country ,is looking up to Parliament what. can be ~ in this House at this for the, decision or a direction, some- stage. He can also give us a definite thing of that sort, Parliament must be guara,ntee that nothing is going to be consulted, If the talks with the Prime done/ in regard to this issue behind. Minister conclude before the end Of; the back of Parliament or over the this particular session, I would say head of Parliamrnt when the ar i~ that the Prime Minister should make, ment is not in I session. If there 13 or yOU should ,5k the Prime Minister going to be some concrete proposal on our behalf to make, a statement which requires parliamentary sanc- about the progress of the talks and tion, in regard to this matter, it has the nature of the talks, If the Prime got. to be done before Parliament. Minister's discussions with Sheikh Therefore, Parliament requires to be Abdullah do not conclude before this Intisfled by the Prime Minister in session of Parliament ends, then I regard to the progress of the [talk. would say that before makin, any BU$iness VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) of the House decision, if necessary" a special session Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: That of Parliament should' be summoned to will meet just tor a week or so, Since discuss this matter. Let WI not leave we are going to have another session, it to Government alone; let us, 'also a / special session, we would try to have a share, and let us also partici- have some other important Bills it pate in this major decision that taces they are not finished in this session, the country today. but the main/purpose of the summon- ing of that session will be to have Dr. L. M. Singhvl (Jodhpur): I rise that Bill put through. to en or ~ the submissions made by my hon. friends Shri H. N. Mukerjee Shri Ranga: So wrong to do. and Shri Hem Barua, I wish to impress upon you, and /through you, Shri Satya:Sarayan Sinha: That on the Prime Minister and the Minis- may b~ so; but for my hon. friends' ter of Parliamentary Affairs that it is intervention, this situation would not imperative that the Prime Minister have arisen at all ...... Irhould make a statement before the House a our~ or before the House is Shri Rallga: The Prime Minister called again, to apprise it of the whole and Shri Satya Narayan Sinha are situation. No commitment I should be also my friends .... made at the back of the HOWie. Mr. Speaker: Nobody doubts that. Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: Two or three points have been raised. I would Shri Ranga: They also co-Opcrated like to reply first, to the point raised in/ bringing forward that bad and by my hon. trlend Shri Bibhuti infamous Bill here before this House. Mishra. We are not going to have that Bill re-introduced in !this session. Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: Whe- ther it was good or bad it was there, An Hon. Member: Which Bill? and just' by fluke it could not be put through.' There is nothing new that Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: The we are going to bring forward. Constitution (Seventeenth Amend- ment) Bill which, the other day, on Shri Ranga: God was there.! my account of the requisite number of dear friend. You should have heeded Members not being present, acciden- to his advice. tally, fell through. But! then we have decided that Shri Satya Narayan Sinlaa: All Govelnment are going to summon this regards the second point which was House on the 27th or 28th of this raised by Shri Prakash Vir' Shastri month, in order/to avoid the need for and olher friends, that matter was suspension of the rules, which we do raised more than once in this HOUSe, not like. We consid,er that as an and i~ was raised when the hon, urgent measure, and /we are going to Le:lder: of the House was also pre- have a short session towards the end sent. All those reasons which have ot the month. The exact date has not been advanced today wen, advanced been decided upon yet/.. on that day also, As the; ooinion is very sharply divided although, I think, Shri Ranga: Why should we meet a large majority in the House will so early? agree with the suggestions made by Shri,'H. N. Mukerjee and Shri Hem Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: It may Barua, I would cerainly convey to the be in the neighbourhood of the 27th Prime Minister the views expressed or 28th of this month. here; if the talks conclude and if he thinks proper to make some statement Aa Hon. Member: That will,1oo the here as to what has hapPFned, cer- next session? tainly I think that he will/do '0. Business MAY 1, 1964 of the House [Shri Satya Narayan Sinha] But so far as the discussion is con- Mr. Speaker: 8hri Banerjee wanta cerned, I think yOU will agree and to know Government's reaction about the House will also agree thatt'nles. it. the talks have been conclude , it is no use having a discussion .... Shri S. M. BaaerJee: My third poin, is this, Sir. The Finance Minister is going to make a statement. Other- Sbri Lahri Sin,b (Rohtak): But wise, a discussion should -be allowed not finalised. on dearness allowance. They say thd Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: Sup- dearness allowance is going to be posing it is not finalised, then as /Shri increased. Let him make a statemen' Hem Barua has suggested and some here and now. other friends also have suggested, nothing should be done at the back Shrt Satya Narayan SlJlha: I shall at Parliament. certainly consult the Finance Minis- ter and let the hon. Members know on Monday. Fortunately, we shall be killing two birds with one stroke, it necessary, My han. friends wanted a special ses- ~ ~ ~ (mm ) w;l1"er sion, and the special session will be i ~ !f-i' '1ft n:'r. Mr. Speaker: These details can be "That the Bill further to amend worked out later on. the Coir Industry Act, 1953, be taken into consideration." Dr. L. M. SiIlghvl: This is not a detail; this is a matter of broad Shri Maniyangadan may continue approach. his speech. Mr. Speaker: Can the Minister reply Shri Maniyangadan (Kottayam): to this at this stage? Sir, I welcome this Bill. Coir indus- try is a very old and very important Shri C. Subramaniam: Technical industry in Kerala. It is perhaps an assistance to the extent necessary will industry which gives employment to be made available by the Usf>R. the largest number of people there and that is why I congratulate the Shri P. R. Chakravertl (Dhanbad): Minister for bringing this measure to By what date the plant would go into improve its present condition. It Is production? true that there was a slump in this industry for a pretty long time .... Shri C. Subramaniam: Just now they have f11ade the offer of assistance Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Some which we i have accepted and now hon. Members think that this is the other detahs will be discussed when Central Hall or the Lobbies. They do the Soviet experts came over here. not even realise that something fa COiT Industry VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) (Amendment> 13880 Bill ha.ppening here and this is a place 1,,\ The main object of the Bill is to where some discretion has to be allow the Coir Board to start machi- exercised. nised factories where mechanised methods could be adopted forI manu- Shri Maniyangadan: The hon. facturing these goods. It is a good Minister was saying that the industry thing. It is several years since this is now doing well with the co-opera- idea was mooted and it was originally tion of the Coir Board. I do not deny suggested/ that about one-third of the that the Coir BClard has done some present capacity of the f3ctorics may good for ·the industry but during the be mechanis('d. I do not know what last several years, due to various happened to tha~ idea. rea~on of which the most important is the failure to find markets in foreIgn Now, it seems the Board itself is countries, several factories had to be going to start one or more fact'lrics. I closed down and a large number of do not know why the ownersTof the coir workers were rendered out of pxisting factories could not be allowed employment. Even now that position to mechanise their own factories. If continues. But since the formation or exports are to be improved, if we arel the Coir Board, especially in the last to stand compE-tition with fore;gn few years, there has been consider- countries where these goods are manu- able improvement and export also has factured, it is admitted on all hands increased to some extent. that the quality of thel goods has got to be improved, and that is possible: I take this opportunity to congratu- only by mechanisation. So there lll' late the present chairman of the RuJ:.- no meaning in putting ob e tion~t ber Board who is taking very keen that. Of course. there were ob e titm~ interest in this mat!er. He, with co- from mv state from certain quart&rs, operation of t'he Ministry, has been not from the Government of Ker.ala, able to improve the condition of the But I am happyl!o s(>e that that ob':, industry. Export has gone uP. jection also is not there. Shri Vasud [Shri Maniyangadanl also employment of a large number of COC'onut grows not only in K;erala people which have to be considered, but in certain ather States also,! The is thitiisPpd of improving the market Board is taking steps to devel6p the- for coir products in India. What steps coir indU.'ltry in those areas also. are being taken for that? I do not My submission is that all these as- know. Oflcourse, the Coir Board have pects must,' be taken into conS>idera- opened certain shops and certain show- tion. Along with this, I would airo rooms in d;!ferent parts of the C'owltry. submit that the present duty Con manu- But I would re ue ~ the Minister to' I factured goods should be reduced. As see that the various departments of was recommended by the Coir Board· the Government of India and also of last year or sO, the Government raised 1he State Governments and several the duty and now it is equal to the/ bodies /under the control Ilf Govern- duty 'On coir yarn. That must be ment purchase for their use a large reduced and the prayer of many peo- quantity of coir goods. If that could ple affected that this must be reim- be done. I amGure the factories which bursed must bel given due considera- lire closed coi:lld be reopened and the tion. Otherwise, the export businesa workers empl'oyed. Along with that, will encounter difficulties. For en- mechanisation will improve the quality couraging exports manufactufP.Ts mlDt ' [Shri N. Sreekantan Nair] Another aspect is competition. Any- cept diseased cOCOanut trees, nothing one who has got any means of borrow- can grow tAere, with white sand: ing Rs. 5,000 or Rs. 10,000 send;; a spread a1l over. wire that he can supply mats at 15 per cent less than the market price. Dr. M. S. Aney (Nagpur): And sea Then he runs about for mats. Of water. course, he gets all sorts of rotten things which are cheaper and sends Shri N. Sreekantan Nair: ~ course, them. He gets the money for the they can jump into the sea and com- first instalment, then he loses the mit suicide if that is a solution. market. The price in the market goes down, and the indu'try is in dol- So, industries have to be fowl(i. rum~. One textile mill which was granted. but that has not been set up. There As a matter of fact, my hon. friend is no scheme to industrialise that area Shri r ~ n n a an was no'. COrreL"t. and as a matter Of fact, the Kerala There were 50,000 people engaged in area has been neglected by the Cen- the manufacturing industry, but there tre. There is not a single major have been only 10,000 in the last ten industry in the public seClor instituted years. These people get nol even two by the Central Government in tha' days work in a week. State. The Defence Ministry has not set up a single ordnance factory of The increase in the so-called export theirs anywhere in Kerala. So, we of finished goods or mechanised goods, do not have major basic industries, is something which is artificial. There n:Jr do we ha ~ th·, dl' fC'llce indus- are some firms British firms, which tries. It is no wonder that the people continue to sel'l at a high price, but of Kerala are always seizcd with !I when the price of the coir yarn goes rebellious spirit to fight the existing up, naturally these buyer.; do not guvt'rnPH'nts. ~ . th('re is poverty, buy, they wait till the price goes they attribute' it to thr.' Government dawn. That is why there is a differ- that L in power and fight against it. ence of 17.46,000 KG in ort ~iri~one If t his continues. I do not think it year. Thl'y wait because' this is not will continue to be against thE' State an article Of daily necessity. It is an Government only. It will develOp article of luxury. They bide their into a fight against the C$tral Gov- own lime, and then buy at the cheap- ernment. And we are the only people est rate. So. this industry has to be beyond the Madrasis who want sepa- put on a bettcr basis. ration from India and the north Indian people who natural!y try to Though th9 Minister himself or the drive down our throat this Hindi Government as such is not respon- cult. We are the only people Who sible, it may Ite said there is an area, remain trUly national. We may all!O which is a desert area, where you be driven to join these people, and ftnd white sand spread all around and naturally the demand that the south only diseased cocoanut trees are should become a separatE' sovereign there. They have been there for state may materialise one day if this decades, they have gone bad because condition continues. of disease which cannot be cured. The Government at India have set up So, I would request the hon. Min- experimental stations, and the Coir ister not to be satisfiE'd with thilr Board has tried its best, but the coco- mechanisation of one factory. Giving anut trees havt> not escaped the Rs. 14 lakhs is nothing, it cannot save dev1\stating a~ta of this disease. So, the situation. If you are serious about In all that are! th~e is nothing ex- It. try to control the industry from 13~~ eOiT IndustTlI VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) (Amendment) Bm the sta!:€' of the green and retted husk do not know how to take care of the to the staie of export, and! then you husk and preserve it. They use it 1\1 will be able to do something good tor fuel. Also, the ireen cocoanuts are IndIa, !:(,uJ Ior the State and good greatly u,;ed and that husk is of no for thousands and millions of families. u,;e for production of fibre. All these have to be takeR care of in that area, 13.00 hrs. because it is not possible to imparl fibre or husk from outside the State Shri B. K. Das (Contai): Sir, thIs and develop the industry there. So, Bill sel:ks to stress the developmeu l if the Coir Board is to take care of side of the coir industry and so a the industry and develop it in an the chan!:e has been sought to be made cocoanut-growing an'as of the coun- in the long title ot this Act. For that try, proper care should be taken so purpo,e, the scope or the function of that the husk is not wasted and coco- the Coir Board has been sought to be anut-growers also should take care widened, .0 that power can be used of their hmk. in certain factories and also further grant of funds may be there besides There 15 provision in the Act that the income received from the export remunerativE' price would be pard to duty and the amount may be repaid the husk-prod'ucers so that they may out of the consolidated fund of the keep it properly and also that husk C,'ntral Government. can be made use of in the develop- ment of the industry. I think that There is a provision of about the Coir Board should pay greater Rs. 3'13 ,·rure.' in the third Plan attention to this aspect of the matter. pl'rlod fur 1 ~ dC'":eioprrJent of this lIldustry. I do not lmow' what b the By the use of powcr rubberised idea of the Government and how coil' fibre should be produced in order much this grant will be augmented. I that we may compete in the inter- shall be hr.ppy if a substantial im- national market. There is a proposal provement i, marle and steps are of starting a factory with a sum of taken for the development of this in- Fls. 10 lakhs for the prC C 0'1 t. Of d'llst,.y in all thl' cocoanut-growing course, in the exp€'rimental stage, one Stat€',. radory may dn for the present. But I think there should be further action 0/ course, our friends [rom Kerala t"ken in that rC'sp0ct and rubberised hav!' voiced their criticism and views coil' 1\bre should be produced in as to what is happening in their awn great!'f quantities, so that they might States. Coming as I do from the State find further markets in the world. of ~e t Bengal, which is also a coco- anut-growing State, I find that in I hope greater care will be taken that State, this industry is not much to devp]op the industry in all the eOco- taken care of. Further attention anut-growing areas. as I have already should be paid for the development pointed out. With these worcls, I 5UP- of this indu.trv in that area. In the port the Bill. coastal di,tricis WC' grow cocoanuts and there i. much scope for the deve- sft tm'mf ~ ~ : 'mlnlf lopment of the industry there. In my ~~ ~ ~t t ~ ~ ~ constituency. two nr thl'"e veal's blck, there was a trainin r tm~ ro u tion ~ ~~~ii centre which was .'tarted, but un- mrr [>.ft lfffiTi'1' f':11"] ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f"l> '"I"T ofTtr w '14; I ~ iif.n:"1f lDr. Sarojini Mahishi] lore the Hou.>e. ThIS amendini: Bill lOr further research in the mattel'. tries to introduce, in pur&uance 01 the There are different ways of retting and meeting of the tripartite llltcrests, dllferent varieties are produced. The mechanisation in certain sections 01 only thing that they/ are doing is the this lndustry. I do not know whether export of the yarn and the fibre. We the Bill intends to mechanise the find that Qoth the yarn and the fibro matting section of this industry Qr to are being I exported and durini aU introduce mechanisation in other &ec- these yeJrs both of them fetched a tlOIlS of thIS industry aillo. good sum as contrasted with the manufactured goods that are beini j Sir, coir is mainly the product of sent out. Therefore. properly manu- conconut husks. India has got a vast factured goods themselves should be coastline producilll coconuts. The exported. report says that in rea ~ is being re- Cistered in the area under cultivation I do not know but the report o! the and also in the intensi.,e growth at Coir Board mentions fthat some of the conconut in the area already under countries which er~ purchasing the cult.ivation. In spite 01 the fact that manufactured goods are not purchas- this is a raw material which can earn ing (hem now. There is a decline iq very good foreign pxchange for the the ur ha ~ by those countries and country, I do not know what efforts a lew other countries are now pur- are being made to improve the techni- chasing them. .Is this cieclilT!, in tho que in the working of thL; coir indus- purchase of thei manu a~ture goods try. As far asm,' State, Mysore, it due lo the fact that there is a decline on ern~ . in the matte;' of central in the qunlity also of trc good;? Our schemes that are being allocated to Governml·nt i.. k .. enly' interested in different States. it stand., second. maintaining quality control on the Kerala..- standing first. I w(mdpr how goods and the report also mentions many of th" central schemes are being: about re~hi ment in ~ tion of coir implementpd. Hardly 15 or 20 per goods. Then. in spite! o·f all these cent of the eoir! is lwing 1l1iiisl' There i~ a lot of scope for the Im- . Statistical research is also beIn!! plementation of thIs research all also; carried out. The Iprogress of the coir 13895 eDiT Industrll VATSAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) (Amendment) 13896 11m industry depends mainly upon a num- the market. Pu far as possible uu. ber of {acton and not only upon the should be avoided. All the workel'l produl'tion of the raw materiall The should be brought together and they statistical research carried out shows should be paid: better wages and that the production of proper manu- should be given better facilitis for factured goods depends upon a num-/ living. This can certainly earn a ~oo 'ber of factors, namely, the people amount of foreign exchange. employed there. their way of living, the wages paid and all these things. Mr. Speaker: The han. Minister. These things have not been properly Dr. M. S. Aney: May I say a word attended to. The/ economic and sta- or two, Sir? tistical survey that is being made with reference to this coir industry shows Mr. Speaker: Now I have called that these things are not being at- the Minister. He never expressed a tended ito. Therefore, all these things desire to speak. should be properly attended to and Dr. M. S, Aney: Only two minutes. proper use must be made of this parti- '('ular raw material. Mr. Speaker: He may. As I regards mechalllsation, one Dr. M. S. Aney: It appears that Indian firm wanted to enter into some t.his once-flourishing industry is now collaboration with some German firm. brought to a very crucial position; in I would like to know whether this tact it is on the pOint of extinction- mechanisation is being carried out by It ~o like th:lt-and all this hap- the Government only or it is allowed pened, according to the stalr'ment of to be carried out in the private sector my han friend, Shd Samanta, during also by the private firfus and whether the last three or four years. Thera subsequently it will be made applic- has been a gradual decline. able to any other purt or It will be adopted un a large scaIr'. I du not 13.27 ilrs. wish to put forward the argument that was put forth by some of the han. [MH. DFlTTy-SPEAKEH in the Clwir] Members that if mechanisation is res- The main thing for the Government orted to many of the workers will to do i,: to see as to what the reasons be unemployed. But. to what extent for this are. According to the state- that will b(, irab~ i;; a thing to be nlPnt which Shri Samanta has made, cons'idered. Of course, meehanisation the two research lItations have not may expedite the work ann we may shown. according to in/ormation avai- be able to produce rood.' on a large lable, anI' encouraging results which scale, but while adopting this mecha- would 1~ fact mCljr0 this industry nisation we should, at the same time. bet ~r than wh'at it is today. On that pay greater attention to the employ- point al,o th" ,tcps taken by the ment of all those people. More people G;)vernment have been a failure. will be able and willing t.o come into this industry, as far as I knew. Shri S. C. Samaata: I said that A number ot coir co-operativQ there is some decline in €'xports. societies came into existence in North Dr. M. S. Aney: Mighf be: 1'0\ v:>u Knnara. There the wages were not referred to some re~ ar h lVok done ProT",!'l" paid. So, subsequently. one by them. d! t'r ;mother. they went into liquida- tion. Why should this thing happen! Secondly, the o enm~nt was The only thing resorted to bv the main1v in~ere~u~ 1 in thi::; bpCrIllS(, it workers is that th .. .,. prepare wme of \vas (I good mnteriaI for ('xpm:t and these goods in their own cotl ages and was giv"ing us some geocl :.mount of because marketing a i itie~ [.re not foreign exchange. But on account of given to them, on their own competition elsewhere we find that we accord they go and sell them in are not in a pOSition to stand that COiT Itldu•• t'-II MAY 1, 1984 (Amendment) BilL lOr. M. S. Aney J competition. I want to know from idea of modernisation and mechani- the hon. Miinster, who is a very good zation. atudent of industrial problems imd a Very careful helper ot all the big and Shri Vasudevan Nair yesterday amall industries, whether he has found mentioned the decline in the export in the new enterprise, which he of matting. I think, it he takes up, wants to enter upon by starting this the i ure~ over the years, since the new mechanized industry, sufficient inception or the Coil' Board,. strength to counlt'ral·t the e\'il e/feets the exports and production have gone which competition is imposing upon up tremendously and it is the yarn them. Are there enough indica'ions export which has slightly gone down. to show that our goods expected to The export of mats and mattings is be turned out of this factory will be cont:nuously rising though not at the in a position to compete with them same sati;!actory level as we desiTe and in course of tim(, we shall be able it to be. But thl' main reason why to regain that po,ition' It that is the yarn continues to be exported in possible, it is a good project; otherwise, larger amount-Rs. 9 crores---and it is time for them to think over the about Rs. 4 crores worth of mats and matter more before they enter upon mattings, is th" heavy duty. as he any experiment at all. himself pointed out yesterday, which has been levied by the Western Euro- These are my observations. pean countries against our coir mat- tings. It is precisely this that we are The Minister of Interlllltional Trade fighting in the United Nations Con- (Shri MaJlubhai Shah): Mr. Deputy- ference on Trade and Development Spea"er, Sir, I am glad' that so many in Geneva, that other advanced indus- !han. ~bet art . ~ e in ~he trialised countries should giVe and discussion on this Bill. At the outset make room for the simpler techono- I may clarify the doubts expressed by logy ot the less developed countries the hon. Member, Shri Yashpal Singh, and give up, in due course, by a phas- that this is no departure from the line t'd programme the manufacture of' of supporting cottage and village mats and mattings or jute goods or industries because, as I said, in my simpler types of engineering goods or opening remarks, mechanization is chemical goods; and I do hope that meant in order to see that the cost of as a result of our persistent eft'orts production goes down and that we can in the coming years. it should be pos- be able to produce a better quality sible for Us to register at least thili of goods which, In the long run, impression on the advanced countries. should expand employment rather Here, r would like to take this oppor- than contract it. tunity or making an appeal to all the advanced ('ountries, particularly the It is not always good to live in the Western Europpan countries and the Eighteenth Century or in the medie- United StatE's, to altogether remove val age where he· by braking stemes and abolish this 22 to 30 per cent people could get employment. There- duty. It make, it impossible or the' fore it is very necessary that gradual Kerala or the Mysore producer to induction of modern technOlogy to camp"te in tl-Je mechanised sector fight the competition which is already will finished goods such as mats and developing abroad is brought about mattings. As some hon. friend sug- in this country. It is, therefore, to gested. why not ban the export of coir the good that large sections of the yarn? That ie also thNe. We have' people in Kerala and in Mysore as considered this matter several times. also in West Bengal, a, We could see The large amount of unemployment from the statements of he'll. Members that is likely to be caused and the from thOse areas, have supported the distress that We would have to face- Coir Industrll VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) (Amendmntl 13900 Dd! lu .. qui1.e a numbt!r o! months and hu!\. lriend Shri Maniyangadan and,. yea!:; In rase the Western European Shri Vasudevan Nair that the duty countrie.; refuse to yield or l'"duce which we were contemplating to re-· till' duty, will mean a positive loss o! duce or abolish, that we have al- employment without a correspondin€ ready issued a notification today com- gain either in terms of foreign ex- )Jktely abolishing the cess of 98 nP. change or in alternative sources of per quintal on coir products. This i. employment. For an industry which with a view to give relief to this in- empluys a million ot People or more dustry sO that instead of financing at different stages, even a million and !rom the cess which the poor produ- a half. the risk to be taken is tar cel'S or the middle-men had to pay to too much as compared to the imme- us, the State as the senior partner in diate gain. Even so, We are consis- the welfare of the people of this tently trying to see that more assis- country will bear from its own trea- tance in the form of export promotion sury the development expenditure assistance is being rendered to the through grants and loans as this Bill producers of coil' mats and mattings seeks to amend, that is, in future the and vpry little is being liven to the finances will flow from the Consoli- producers of yarn. dated Fund and other sources rather than to tax this- small and very poor My friend, Mr. Samanta, mentioned industry from this particular cess. about the licencing of retters. Now, Therefore, we have today issued a imagine thousands and thousands of notification completely exempting this houses in this decentralised sector industry from this cess. being under perpetual fear of an inspector only because we want to col- Then, the question was ·in what· lect statistics; it will be hard on them manner should be gradually go to if every inspector or policeman goes mechanised sector. It is true that after the small cottages of the people there is a fear of temporary unem- to see whether they hold a licence and ployment. As far as I can see it, the whether the premises are kept well unit that we are starting is rather on and alI that. It is true that inspec- a modest scale and it is not likely tion helps and we have been intro- to replace a large number of workers. dudng inspections on several com- When one-third of the sector is modities. But I shudder to bring too mechanised, naturally there might be many pieces or legislation which give some displacement. power to all these officials Of the States to interfere with the lives of It is my hope that this will be an the poor people who are already dis- additional employment rather than tressed due to the low wages. Mr. displacement. But if displacement Sreekantan Nair, who is not here at did come as a result of mechanisation, the moment, mentioned that the Mini- I can assure the House and the Mem- mum a e~ Act is not being enforced. bers who have expressed their an- The reason i~ obvious that when so xiety on this account that we shaU many thousands and thou~an and take every care of it. This a'Surance millions of people are C'mployed, it is not either a hollow or an unfounded is difficult for the enforcement ap- one. We shall see to it that alterna- paratus of the State to enforce all th'e employment is provided to every thece laws whirh can only b(> due to single person who is rather rendered the wpport of the basic economy. The unemployed or less employed as a real ~o ution is to support from the result of this mechnni,ation. The fOllnnnnon thf> ('('onomie str1lcture of total number Of pf'ople inVOlved will this indmtry so that thr prod1lcers are not be more than 1400 people if the enFlhled 10 n~r hctlr-T n ~ (,()11tinu- whole ,cherne of mechanisation of the ously. I am. therefore. glad 10 say, one-third sector take, place. With 8 as regards the suggestions made by my single unit, it will not be more than eOiT Industry MAY 1, 1964 (Amendment) Bill [Shri Manubhai Shah] .50 or 60 or 100 people whkh is nat a are .other countries which are produc- number that cannot be absorbed in mg jCOII. As a matter of fact, oura ia the expanding economy of these area,$. the one country which makes the maximum utlisation of coir fibre. Out My hon. friend, Shri Samanta, men- of. the total/husk produced, we almolli tioned about research. I admit that utlll,se 37 per cent, Malaya and the research has not been a very Philippines utilise less than 12 per powerful factor in, this industry! But ce,nt '-lnd Ceylon utilises less than ~er ~eni. ,ali one can see it, the scope of research 6 , Therefore, over the years, in terms of improvement is so much the ulllisatlOn of increasing quantity limited by sOCiological conditions in of husk is being attempted success- thisfcountry/ We once tried and in- fully here. Now, if we do anythin&,' ,troduced a modern method of retting which Will upset this balance it is and de-husking. We found that hun- likely that those advanced ~untrie dered people's work could be done by/ will buy the yarn from other aJter- one machine and we' ourselves nati ~ sources, So, we are;' closely thought that it is better to carryon exammmg It. To the extent it is with the traditional method rather possible, b('Cause of more circumspec- than bring a new re,earch. / It has tlUn at the governmental level or been so in seven. eight or nine resear- social level, We can: gradually induce ches which we carried out success- a certain amount of a"sistance from the fully, It is not so much the entire !ridndly ccyunt'ies, I can assure the fault! of the research institutions. I House that we are for sC'lIing less yarn can a,-csure Shri Samanta that again and ,more finished products. like, mats we will look into these two particuhr unJ mattings, Regarding the husk I centrC" which he has mentioned/ and think, the:'e is some mi:;tak" in the -we wil! see how We can make thelD fi!"ures quoted by Dr, Sarojini Mahi- dynamic, Dut the ]imitation" have sh;, We havp totally banned the got to be appreciated by the House husk ('xport eX ('cpt a very few small b~au e this [is an industry where we qunntities running i'1to a thousand ha ,'eta be yery very wary and cons- rupees or so. Practically, we; are not allowing any husk to go, Those hu,ks ciou" that what WP dJ docs not do some basic damarp/' till we can re- also go as samples and not actually pair it hy somp alternative means, for trade, Here in the field of Iyarn, We would rather prefer to go a little it is h('ttpr finished yarn which can more slowly and on surc linesi as is bring bC'ttc,r price. Th is particular proposed in thi~ BilL It is, thetefor(', :lml'ndment sought in the Dill h for that when he moved a B;1] sometime m hani~a~ ion. though momentarily i back We re ue~te him to withdraw confined in the first approach to the it.1 It was with a view to bringing a weaving ~e tor ilnd we do want to comprehensive h>gislation, We do not 'ce th'lt the finishing of the "arn and propose to bring another legislation various/other aspects of ~ i~nin are again to license the retters I and a1"" r~ u brought under a ~o e various other peoplp and create more modernised practice, rob em~ fOT' the small people and ~a prodl1cers, There was a sugge>tion from three or four Members regardingI the need Then the other u~tion was whe- for th" diversification of this industry, ther We 'can Iso arrange our ~a e of I am glad to say that over and above yarn that the foreign countries which the Madras fadory of Bharat Motors\ are today dependent on our yarn are whIch has already gone into produc- induced to buy more mattingsL rather tinn, a second factory in Cuttack a than yarn. The matter i~ simple. But third factory in Delhi and a o~rth I' IB not so simple as I' looks. There factory in Mysore arei about to fO .13903 eoir Industry VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) (Amendment) 1390 4 BiLl into production in the next few weeks the internal marketing is increued, to make the rubberised coir products, because then it can be the bed-rock and six m~ But I can assure the ou~. that Clause 1- (Short Title) as far as internal consumption is con- Amendment made: cpmed, w(, shan try our level best to ,'f'C that the comumption of this Page 1. line 4,- produd locally. which i;; on1.v 8 a" 9 per (",nt now is incr""scd. We are for '1963' substituted ']964', trying to seE' whpther we can expand the indigenous utlisation ha,e by ask- (Shrj Manubh3i Shah) in!'! the variolls Minist!'ies of Govern- m('nt. the' Ddrnce Ministr"' and Mr. Deputy-Sllcakcr: The question thC' Supply Department and the i!l: State Governments ot promote more internal consumption of these "Th:lt ~ 1 1. (IS amended, products; we should also think of stand part of the Bill". open:nr; more depots a'ld show- room: already nine show-rooms Tile motion was adopted, nrc working but more could bc opened, with t.he grant! and loans available, Clau3e 1, a3 amended, WlU added to If that is done we shall see to it that the Bill. Taxation MAY 1, 1964 Laws (Continuation 13906. and Validation of Recovery Proceedings) Bill [Mr. ~ ut a er Enacting Formula prejudice to the lei'iti.mate rights of. an assessee who genuinely disputes the Amendment made: validrity or rcorrectness 01 the quan- tum at the demand created against Paee 1, line 1,- h;,n. As explained in the S:aternent for 'Fourteenth' subsrittLte of Objects and ~a on thl' Bill has ." 'Fifteenth'. been necessitated by a recent judgIn08 tion and VaLidation of Recoverl/ Proceedings) BiLl ··tllins adequate provision for saie- the b~i or asses.ment orden whicll iuar in~ the ri~ht of the citizen. have been upheld in appe I have indicaterl broadly the object Mr. Deputy-Speaker: !'/blion m()\'Nl: underlying this Bill and also its main prOY1!llOns. There can be no d;.spute "That the Bill to provide for regarding the need for taking mea- the continuation and validation sures to en,ure that the r~ o er of 0{ proceedings in relation to Go'Y- the Government dues is not unduly ernment dues and matters con- delayed or thwarted. Therefor-e, I am nected therewith, be taken into seeking the support of hon. Members' consideration." for this Bill. Shri Hecla (Nizamabad) : Mr, It may be asked 'Why not accept ~ ut ea r Sir, The ma'n ;nten- the Supreme Court's decision?'. Sir, tion of this Bill has been exp:ained 1 have outlined the position. The by the hon. Finance Minister and it Supreme Court's decision, as it now is to overcome/ possible ()bjections stands, ,is vHalIy concerned with a from the judiciary. It is time that we matter of procedure. If the position a ~ e the entire procedurp. of c So ~r las this Bill is concerned, the A recent development in my home object IS very hmlt ed ..I thmk the ob... town surprised me, rather intrigued jed is very good. It is to overcome me. There people are taking to culti- an ~ 1me iate difficulty of ro e ur~ 'Vation of &rapc vines. It is a new delays and avoid unnecessary expendI- fashion to have bigger and bigger ture and time. Therefore, I &ive my farms of grapes. No doubt/ it is a full support to it. good industry; if one worked very .hard and was careful, he could earn about Rs. 1000, Rs. 2000 or evenl Shri A. N. Vidyalallkar (Hoshiar- Rs. 5000 per acre. But I suspect wme pur): As my hon. friend preceding me .of them are taking to it So that they has .aid, the purpose of this Bill is can bring their black money and show very limited, and generally we all here the gains In agriculture. Since support It. Theionly thing I want to agriculture is not taxed, they can say is that in the administration of easily say that by having a farm of taxation laws, one principle should be adopted, It shouid be adopted ~ene~ 15 Dr 10 acres, they have eurned about ~ in the administration, but specI- Rs. 25.000 or Rs. 1 lakh and thus they i ~ can turn b13ck money inco white. This ir. this rase one principle must b,,' adopted, that after all. the govern- is ti vC"ry easy way they have found lllent offtcials have to serv, the people out. I ~e t r this b"['nu,e a num- and thev have to make it '1Flre crlTIven- ber of persons w h" canw into thi, jen! 10: the people to follOW the law. form ,of: a~ri itu1 was such d' had lIe"(' : he r ~ e of the Dill: is that IlO e ~r n (JI" inclination to\vards no III w not il.'[' should be i.sued. So agricuItllr,o. Somp of thcm were, I far '" the ~ is concerned, I want to beli· n', from overseas who held only protect the Government. Because hard' cash and who had very good no fresh notic(' is issued. therefore, experience of tr;:"jin<>:. may bf' export: I the whole recoverv proceedings should import. Apart from, that. I do not not be stopped ~n shOUld not be think they have had/any type Of ex- jeopardised. I agree with that. But perience, i So tar as the administration is con- cerned, I would say that most people So we find that a number of devices generally do not know about the are used to evade income tax. There- procedure. That is the:case with even fore, it i. time the! Finance Minister educated pE"Ople ~~metime They applied his mind and came out with a do not understand the complexity of full svstem. Earlier I had paid him the law and feel the difficulty. I know a trib~te for devising a system Of/tax many MPs/ find it difficult, they do structure in a unique way. I havp. no not know how to proceed, so far at procedure is concerned. Therefore, doubt that in the course of five or ten years, may be 25 years.( the salient it is very necessary that i1 the rules it should be provided that the assessees features of this tax struct.ure would should given somr notiN' or some b9 adopted ('\'cn by countries like l.TK In idea as to the total amount they ,have and U.S.A. Therefore, I do/hope that to pav, Here if the amount. is reduced, while he holds his office, he ~ ie hIs the Gove.rnment has no ohligation. Our mind to it and comes forward with tendPncy is to arm officials with all another measure more comprehenSIve the ~o er and then we try to reduce by whicilf he would make tax evasion t:-te (obligations. Just as 30 far as the ;an impo'Sibility, IaN is concerned, I do not want to create difficulty for Government in Dr. II. S. Alley: Foolproof. the matter of recovery of the amount Taxation .1391 5 VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) Laws (Continua· 13916 tion and Validation of Recovery Proceedings) Bill 'by placing more obligations on Gov- ernment if the notice is not.' issued- ~~ ~ . if 1Rr f -Moved with the recommendations of the President. 13921 East Punjab MAY I, 1964 Ayurvedic and Unani Practitioners' (Delhi Amendment) Bill [Dr. D. S. Raju] have taken place in Delhi in Novem- tion. This new examining body under ber, and December, 1963 regarding t'he tJhe direct control of the Chief Com- Tibbia College students. There have missioner will now conduct examina- been some complaints for the last few tions after appointing a panel " of months that they were not happy and examiners. It will prescribe courses they were putting forth certain de- and standards for the new entrants. mands. Briefly, those demands were This will be a separate statutory body that they wanted their college to be called the Examining Body, whieh will affiliated to the Delhi University. consist of 7 members----one from the They also said that the diploma or Ministry of Health, one from the degree given by this Board was not Chief Commissioner's side, i.e. from recognised and they were not allow- the Delhi Administration and 5 reput- ed to practise in other States of India. ed ayurvedle and unani practitioners. They "Iso said that certain night That is the main purpose of this classes were being hE'ld and they amending Bill. The examinations wanted a Principal who was conver- normally held in January had to be sant with Ayurvedic and Unani systems postponed in view of the disturbances of medicine as well in addition to the and strike. They are now to be held modern system of medicine. They in May. About 393 students have ap- were complaining that their equipment plied" to appear for this examination and the college and hospital buildings in May, out of which 222 will be for were not adequate for the teaching the preliminary examination. and practice of ayurveda and unani. Regarding their demand for affilia- Unfortunately in December they tion with D"lhi University, Delhi Uni- went on strike and some skirmish took versity is an autonomous body and place between the police and the stu- we could not persuade them to give dents. Subsequently some were ad- recognition to this college. About the mitted inta the hospital. It was an other demand, they have communicat- unfortunate incident and subsequently ed with the other States and :llmost a few students w2nt on hunger strike all States except Maharashtra have and their condition became bad. After accepted to give reciprocal recognition that some of us-myself, the Mayor to the Tibbia College students. So, of Delhi and others-met the repre- to a large extent. we have be~n able sentatives of student s and persuaded to satisfy the demands of the students. them to give up their hunger-strike. They are now hnppy studying for their Thr·v listened to our advice and gave examination in May. This is the back- up the hunger-strike. We promised ground and it is for th('se reasons to look into their demands and said that we have come forward with this 1Jhat we would comply with all rea- amending Bill. sonable demands. Subsequently a few i u ion~ took place. In the There is not much of ftnancial com- presence of thE' Home Minister, Mr. mitment. Perhaps an amount of about Nanda. the Mayor of Delhi, the Chief Rs. 20,000 in excess would be ;leceIJ- Commissioner and the Health Minis- sary for the functioning of this exa- ter a conference was held and all mining body. th~ e questions werE' discussed. Ulti- If hon. Members raise any points mately it was decided that a separate during the debate. I would answer examinin!1: brldy should be constituted them at the end. With these words, by amending the East Punjab Ayurve- I move that the Bill be taken Into die and Unani Practitioners Act of consideration. 1949. So. this dual function was sepa- Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Motion moved: rated. Thp. Board 01 Ayurvedic and Un ani systems of Medicine will now "That the Bill further to amend be left with only the registration :rune- the East Punjab Ayurvedlc and 13923 East Punjab VAISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) Ayurvedic and Unani Practitioners' (Delhi Amendment) Bill Unani Practitioners Act, 1949 Shri S. M. Banerjee: I would request as in force in the Union territory the Minister to tell us whether this of Delhi be taken into considera- system exists in U.P. only or in any tion." other Slate that there s.1)ould be a certificate in a prescribed form from Shri S. M; Banerjee (Kanpur): Sir, an M.P. or MLA. I have experienced I rise to support this Bill. This Bill this difficulty in Kanpur and I am will enable proper registration and sure other Members of Parliament are functioning of th.ose who are practis- also experienCing in V.P. the same ling Ayurvedic and Unani systems of difficulty to give such a certificate or medicine. In the Statement of Objects a blank cheque to the man conerned. and Reasons, it is stated: Then, my next point is that while "The Board of Ayurvedic and welcoming this Bill I want to high- Unani Systems of Medicine, Delhi, light certain points or certain difficul- created under the East Punjab ties of these institutions, whether ot Ayurvedic and Unani Practitioners the ayurvedic or unani system. There Act, 1949 as in force in the Union are very good institutions even in territory of Delhi has been in Delhi, especially relating to unani existence since the year 1950 and medicine. I would like to mention in is charged with dual functions of this connection the Hamdard Dawa- registering vaids and hakims and khana. The Hamdard Dawakhana is holding qualifying and preparatory having all sorts of medicines and a examinations. Experience over all perfect system and a research insti- these years has shown that this tution. And they wanted a piece at arrangement is not satisfactory". land from Government somewhere near Tughlakabad. I would like to This Bill is supposed to change the know from Government whether that complexion of these dual functions. It land has been given to them and, if is therefore proposed to entrust the not, the reason for this abnormal de- function of holding the examinations lay. The Hamdard Dawakhana is and prescribing courses of study to a doing a great service to the country separate examining body, leaving the and they have kept those great tradi- Board with the task of registering the tions of Hakim Ajmal Khan alive in existing practitioners. the country. They have a perfect system of research and examination, We are faced with one difficulty. A whether it is pathological. radiological, form has been prescribed for registra- etc. In everything they have got a tion and ayurvedic practitioners come perfect system. to the MLAs and MPs for a certificate In the same way there are good that they have done practice, whether ayurvedic institutions also in the at home or in a particular dispensary, country. For instance, I would men- for 5 years. I can give a character tion the Dacca Shakti Oushadalaya certificate, but it is difficult for me to and the Sadana Oushadalaya which certify that such and such person, are bringing out new medicines. It whom I know very little about, has Is not the old medicines which were worked as a Vaid and has been work- known and for which they were very ing as 8 Vaid for the last five years. famous, but new medicines. But they have certain difficulties. 'lfi i ~ l'mI' ~ ro ('tiTer): Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The ~on. ~~ ~ 1 m~ if "",'rnr ~r ~ I Member may continue his speech on Monday. We Ihave to take up non- Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The bell is of!\cial business now. being rung. Now there is QUorum. He may continue. .. ' MAY I, 1964 .Resolution re: Disparitll ; ..... . ~ a..il ,_ ._. ~ in Income IUO hn. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Let him flnisb COMMITI'EE ON PRIVATE MEM- his speech. The han. Member may BERS' BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS take two or three minutes and finish his speech. FORTY-THIRD REPORT "'" ~ o Slo ~ m~ : Shri Hem Raj (Kangra): I beg to move: rn~ t ~ ~ ~ ~r ii ~ i~ 'W 'IT ~ t ~n i ~ ''That tlus House agrees with f'li itw it flf$fr the Forty-third Report of the ill ~r i ~ ~ if ~ ~ ~ 'liT Committee on Private Members' ~i ~ i 'IT I Bills and Resolutions presented to the House on the 29th April, 1964.· lII'f ~ ~ 'foT fJtTif Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question frn i"Ii is.... lift '3"{f ~ i 'iiI" ~ "lfl" ~ i i o n~ ~ 'Of") f'li mer J 'iffl Shrl D. S. Patl.i (Yeotmal): I beg ift mr i~ ""er ~ mer ~ ~ to move: ~ ~ I cit tr;'f ~ oT ~m ~~ m ~ $ ~~ a<: ["ft ~ i~ q..n ~ ~ ~ ~ ~r f'F ~~ ~ ~ ir f'f. ~ ~ lfT'=Cf ;;@ oftIT ~ ;r@ lim I ~ ~. mer '1ft ~ I l{ i r ~ ij'f ['!iI'T ~o ~o ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ it 1fT ~i i if; m tiT ~ ~i ~ ~ qq-;ft t~ 3 '1ft f,- iii ~ it, ~ iii ~~ it ~ q;)i it ~ i ~ ~ i~ ~ I ~.r mi ~ it ~ "So far as agricultural labour and weaker section was concerned ~ ~ ~m ~ m itRa' gf I their condition had worsened. ~ ~ q'\<: ~~ l::f;r.r $fT i ~ I The daily wage rate of casual male ~ ltU WI' ~ iffl it v. 0 ..,. of ,1( fri labour had gone down from 109 nP in 1850-51 to 95 nP. in 1956-57. ~itm~ I ifflll ~ ~r r.n ~ ~~~~ ~~~1 Agricultural labour households in debt increased frOm 45 to 64 per cent. The employment posi- tion had also not been satisfac- ~ ~~ ~ . ~ tory." ~ ~ ~ lIT@" if; orrTT ~ ~ cllfia ~it~ ~ I ~~ ~ '1 0 ~ ~ fu1t f ~r~ ~ ~ ~ smrr [>;fT ~ fIT ~ it ~~ ~ ~ i W q<: 9;fl'i\' ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ r ~~ ~~ ~ ~ f'f.1lT t I ~~ ftm,ilt ~ it 1 t t~m ~ lfi!' ~ ~ ~ q<: 'iT, ~r ~r 1fT ~ ,,) ~ \mI' iw : ('!>""?:T) : ~ ~ r ~ ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ it ~u llil"{'{, for;;r mm . ~ n ~r ~ ~ srfcroa m i~ t ;;rT ~ ~ ~ ~ a\ ~1 m!1T'IoT ~ f'fi' 1!Tf1R ~ ~ 11 ~ q-oji{ ~ lfA"T ~ \9 srfcrna ~ ;a., 'fi'T CfT'n1 ~ ~ r. mOl' ~ ~ i a ~ if; i'fT't ~ ~ m'f"f If'NWI . ~ 15ft (To ;no ~ ~ 'Z'r. 'I"Rf m ~ii ~~ ~r r ii ~r rn ~ ~ ~ if; 'fl1l:t ~rr 'fTi\"1T ~ I l!i ~r r ;r "lIT fif>1 Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I will cali the Minister at 4 O'clock. ~ ITo [ ...1 fSl'lt l!Ci'r] mt ~ it 3 ~ i ~ ri If,T ~ ill ~ ~ ~i ,,"lir ~r ~i iifT't if ~ ~ qR ~ ~~ !l ~m ~ 1 i ~ ~ ro rn ifI1 [Shri S. M. Banerjee] debtedness had risen from Rs. 1,500 available naw. One in ~or was crorl'S to n2arly Rs. 3 000 crores. This appointed. This is the height of joke, is the condition of the country as far in this country. After the Vivian Bose as peasants are concerned. Commission's report, nine years were wasted. Rs. 27 lakhs were ~ tmt on the Commission against the Dalmia- Le: me say something about the Jain group. Again another inspectOr Government employees also. Much has been asked to investigate intD the has been said about the need for giv- whole thing. What are the salarT ing them dearness allowance and so and allowances of this in ~ on. I have in my possession figures Yesterday I put an un~ tarre queso.ioD which will show the condition of the (a) whether it is a fact that the lns- ~ntra Government employees. pector who is investigating intD the· Forty-five thousand are getting affairs of some of the Dalmia-JaiD Rs. 250 and above; 246,000 are get- concerns is h<>ing paid Rs. 180 per 100 ting more than Rs. but less than day; (b) if ~o the reasons for pay- 250 15,37,000 Rs. and are getting ing this fabulous amount; and (e) Rs. 100 and less. You can imagine whether he is of the rank of a Sec- the condition of the Central Govern- retary. The r€'Ply was: ment employees who are supposed to be a privileged class getting more "( a) The Inspector has been than what the State Government em- allowed a remuneration of ployees or the Corporation employees Rs. 3500 P.M. In addition, he has get. H the Central Government em- been sanctioned daily allowance ployees demand increase in D.A. they as under: are asked to look towards the horrible condition at the State Government employees. If the State Government (i) On actual basis for rOOlll employees want a wage increase, they rent, inclusive of any service are asked to lool{ at the Corporation charge, subject to a ceiling 01 employees. If the Corporation em- Rs. 150 per day for Bombay and ployees demand a wage incrE'ase, they Calcutta and Rs. 100 per day for are asked to look at the poor un- any other place. ~ o e er on registered in the employment exchange registers. This (ii) A flat rate ot Rs. 30 ~ is how Government want to satisfy cover all other charges includina all by pitting one against the other. boarding expl·nses, tips, etc." The Mahalanobis Committe report You can imagine whether this inspec- has given something revealing. Again tor, a perSOn who was almost unesn- the whol .. question is bping referred plnyed and who has got a job a\ to a monopolies commission :lS if it is Rs. 3500 r.M. plus Rs. 180 per day. not knOwn still that there is growth will ever sub:nit any r('port about of monopolies in this country and the Dalrnia-Jnin concerns. This is then' is concentration of wealth. th(' height of joke in this country. Whenever a question is put to the PriT.1e Minister he says, there hu This is a very innocuous resolutioD been sonw uneven distribution of and I must say there must be no wealth in this country. And WE want he.sitation on the part of Government to know to what extent the national to accept this resolution. Let a com- income ha, ~ n into pock('ts of mittee be appointed under an able those handful of people who want to economic ex]X'rt like Shri R. K. control thp ('("anomy of this country. Hazari. He submitted a report nbout The Mahalano1..,i. Cnmmittee report is the Birla-JRin group and oth« 13963 Rc:sotut,on r,,: VA-:::AKHA 11, 18BG (SAKA) Disp:LTLty If! Income houses. 1 am sure that this resulution social and political justice and eQ.ual- will be acceptl-rl by this House. ity of status and opportunity. ThQ Directive Principles of the A clear case was brought to my Constitution embody socialistic and notice the other day. I was told that equalit.arian principles. Article 38 during the Chinese aggression, more "ays: tha,. 3,52,000 pressure cookers were need"d for th03e fighting at high alti- "The State shall strive to pro- tude. Who was given this order? Tho mote the welfare of the people by $on of a Cabinet Minister was i ~n securing and protecting as effec- this order without any tender in tively as It may, social order in Decembn, 1962. Without asking for a which justice, social, economic any tender, he was straightway given and political, shall inform all the this order. I do not want to men- institutions of the national life." tion the name of the Minister, becaUH again :here wilJ be some statement that Mr. Banerjee wants to make an AIticle 39 says: Insinua,tion. When pressure c'Jokers were available Ln this country at "The State snail in particular Rs. 85 or Rs. 90-prestige cooker IS direct its poliry towards securing- one of the bE'S\; cookers-why wag (a) that the ownership and this ordE'r placL'd at a rate of Rs. 11 0 control of the material resources or Rs 120 per cooker? If these thingS of the community are so distri- a~e going on. I do not know; anything buted as best to subserve the will happE'n in this country. We can- ('ommOn good; not drE'am of socialism. It would be a mockery and a sad commentary on (b) that the operation of the our soci·alism. The Bhubaneswar economic system does not result thesis ?"ill be reduced to nothinl! but in the concentration of woalth mockery. and means of production to the ('ommon detriment." I am sure the hon. Deputy Financo Minister would at least acce'Pt this in The aim of the first Plan was to principle, so that the mover of the ensure a rising national income and resolution and the country may have a steady improvement in the living the satisfaction that this is beln!: :;tandards CYf' the people. The main acknowledgt-d. objective of the second Plan was re- duction of inequalities in income and Shri Muihiah (Tirunelveli): ~a am ",,,a1th and fixing maximum lintits Chairman. I support the re. [Shri Muthiah] times. (3) Through estate duty. "1 shall work for an India in gifts tax. profits tax and wealth tax, which there shall be no h.ijth class the difference between rich and poor and no low class of people."/ prople should be reduced. Our Prime , Mimster commending the Second Plan He further said: said: "Whoever has a surplus of "We are all agreed on our essenti.a.l things which are denied pollcy of establishing a socialist to the poor and who does not give pattern of society and we shall that surplus /to them is a thief in make all our clforts in that the eyes of society." direction." Lastly, 1 want to mention the varI- Cornini" to the third Plan. itll ous fisc'lll measures such as Estate oojective is to brmg about a reduc- DutY1 Wealth-tax, Gift-tax, Capital tion of inequalities in incomes and Gains Tax passed by the Parliament wealth and a more even !distriution or recently. These fiscal measures and econOOTIlC power. The policy of sociaJ- the ceiling Acts and Fair Price Ac'ts lsm and equitable distribution of passed by the various State Govern-' wealth and income was approved by ments are steops in the direction of this Parliament in 1954. It Ideclared SOCialism, in the direction of equita- tha: the broad objective of economic ble dL,:ribution of wealth and power. policy should be to achieve the social- ist pattern of society. Parlial(lent Shri P. R. Chakraverti (Dhanbad): approved that the basic criterion I in It is really an essential and urgent determining s[x:ial policies and the fae:or in the social life whieh we 3re lines of economic" advance should bP pledgpd to build up. namely, demo- noc private profit, not the interest ot cratic socialism, ,,-here} we hav,' to .3, few, but the: good of the commun- ma ~ an assl'ssment of'these dements ity as a whole. The basis of a social- which form the b~ e of our produc- i ~ p3ltern of society is increased tIve system theroby enriching the pre>duction and eqUItable distribution community at ar ~.1 The resolution of the i goods so produced. Production has giv,'n an indication as to how we and dIs: ribution are equally import- should try to narrow the disparIty ant and they should not be viewed whi('h today obtains in our country. separately. I lam reminded of a picture reveal- The Mahalanobis Committee ;n its ed to me in my own constituency. report saysl that the economic growth There I found the immensely ricn of the country, and the industrial and people parading t.heir wealth I and ~m ia development in the last f1rosperi:y. On the other hand. 1 ten years have mad" the rich richerI found how thf' ill-paid workmen anrl the poor, poorer or remain on the were huddled together in the narraw same level as bdYre, and monopolies confines of their rooms} which they h3V[' increased in indootry a.'1d busi- call by the technical name Dho11la·ra. ~ . It is to /study, assess and to r~ When one finds in the midst of thb duee this concentration of econOmIC plenty. in the midst of immeasurable power that just now the Monopolies richness how poverty, c()lossal clf>°' ommi ~ion has been established titution is all()wed to remain, natural- under the chairmanship ofl a Judge ly, one is prompted to see avenuellal of the Supreme Court, Shri Das how to reorientate the society and ,ee Gupta. that the productive apparatus is re- I jmt want to quote a few words Oft a u~te in a form where the larl!est Mahatma Gandhi in this connection, number of people get thi equitable M,h3tma Gandhi said: ,h'are in the pr()duction. J:3967 ResoLutiun re: V AISAKHA 11, 1886 (SAKA) Disparity in Income In the rural areas, the question of Madam; two Five Year Plans have ceiling was a moot point. Undoubted- already finished and the Third Five ly, it was a relief, but it came too Year Plan is in its mid term. We late. ThJ expectation that was railed took the vow of raising the wealth in the m!ncJ. of the landless people of India. Indeed, the national wealth that they would have some land when has been raised to the extent of 42 the ceiling was imposed didl nDt per cent. But who are the recipients? materialise. Before the ceiling was Four years earlier, when this question imposed, before the e~a enactments was raised, the' leader of the House we?e introduced, lands were distri- said that the Government were going buted in such a way that ultimately to appoint a committee. That com- only a meagre quantity of land was mittee worked for four years and to- Jef{ for distribution. The result was day the report is before us. Whut that the landless people of India re- does it portray? How far does it go mained as heLpless and poor las they to give Us satisfaction of the urge. were. and assurances which had been exer- In this very city I found that 1an~ cising our minds So long? M;adam, were purchased at Rs. 5 per square the picture is dismal. After four yard, alld after development, were years of analysis, we find a picture sold at Rs. 65, Rs. 75, Rs. 100 and which gives us hardly any satisfac- even Rs. 150 per square yard. This tion in regard to what we wanted to unearned income is a form of acquisi- realise. We have not realised what tion of wealth to a parii;;:ular section We wanted. Therefore, it is but of very intelligent people who can meet that we have to make a anticipate chances of earning profits realistic study of the objective fac- and proceed in a way which brings tors. not only psychic but objective them volume of unearned income factors that influence the growth of 'which naturally result·,; in the des- the ~iet where destitution is titution of the poor. allowed to grow in an alarming way with the accumulation of wealth In this way, Madam, the agents of credited to a particular sector of the production are allowed to operate in society, that is always conditioned by the different sectors of the society. In the motive of acquisitiveness and pro- the process of our industrialisation of fit. the Country. we find that a particular sector is ailowed to have the control Therefore, a country which is over th" agents of production. Those pledged to democratic socialism, a people who had been expecting some countrv which has taken the vaw of share in the management. who were going forward towards the attainment e ~ tin to have participation in the of '3 particular objective, namely, the management Of industries and other dis:ribution of wealth to the produc- undertakings, are still denied the e!'s, to the prime producers equitably. privileges of having a say in the has to take up this work in all ear- management process because of the nestness. There the question comes, vested interests that control industrial how far and whither we go. In the growth. context of the picture that has been Therefore, the expectaitons which presented by the report of the Maha- have been all along put forward in lanobis Committee. I would endorse th~ minds of the people, we seldom th!s resolution and suggest that we find them realised in reality. If we have to set up a small committee in- want to mOVe a resolution of this cluding Members of Parliament, eo type today, we only want to make that we can find out exactly how far an assessment of the stark rea it~ of we can carry out the objectives which life, ttle facts of life which are re- We have placed before u' and the veakd in the proaess of growth, in country. the process Of development Of the country starting from 1947. Ma q) q'o ,,"0 ~ (tfrrR'lT':) : [Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha] Aiter that Resolution, some oilier The government which does not con- Resolutionsi were also discussed in cern itsel1 w;th thei economic condi- this House. Hon. Members have al- tion of the people I has no right to ready quoted the remarks of the Com_ exi£t and if the govenuncnt exists by mittee, called the Mahalanobis Com- virtuo.: of majority support of the mittee. It took, quite a substantial people,! that gove:-nment has to venti- time in going through this problem. late the public conscience represented in the problems facing this country. Shri D. N. Tiwary: Can you tcll us nameJty, the problems of pove'rty, what ste-ps were taken after the pas- ignorance and backwardness. sing of that Resolution') One of the ~a in stateslllen said Shrirnatl Tarkeshwari Sinha: I very rightly that fOr every dignified would, if the hon. Member would indi ... :L1uai in this world there "re bear with me. tour criteria and iru;pirations for./ existence Human life is not human' The Mahalanobis CommittC'e was life if It does not get food, family appointed primarily in order to go relationship, freedom and friendship. in10 this question, namC'ly, what has That is what has been I described as been the distributive- pattern of this the ba~i inspiration of human e ~t incomel how th': income which has encl'. Nobody can doubt it. Human been generated it> thi~ country has life. in order to grow and be dign'fied. flowed into various healthy economic requires these' things. It is abo a "hannels. But only the noblest of re~u t tact that in our country the o ert~ intentions ido not produce We and the miseries of the people have hav(' to ulnnersland that there were not allowed them to have a dignified basic i i u ti ~ involved in the whole human existence. analysis of the> problem-the difficlll-/ ties of not having proper data nCld T do not at all doubt the sincerity material at their disposal to arrive and the concern expressed in the at definite conclusions, very far-' House. Mv concern i~ :th .. same as of reaching conclusions. When they have the other' han. Membeb of the House. not been able to arrive at very defi- but the only point is whether by nite conclusions supported by specific forming this ommi1.te~ wei can fulfil data, it was really difficult for the the concern that we have "I [Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha) has be€t1 regarded one of the leadine be fictitious and which may have exponents of socialism kays this: I direction only towards a few mono- "But where a private firm is not polistic concerns. 1 a ~ t this, thut guilty of any of these abuses, it Govemm€t1t Iihould have been more should be frankly and fairly re- careful / when they pioneered t.he cognised that it. is a socially valu- licensing policy. The licensing policy 'able as.. Then, there are other ways too, such That is why I say that not one solu- as providing more social benefits Iilld tion alone can solve this problem. But amenities. More social benefits means there arc several ways. Taxation is providing educational facilities, pro- one of the ways. I hOPe my hon. viding housing facilities,} providing friends would appreciate that actually amenities to workers, labourers and the Finance Minister is sandwiched peasants, providing the benefit of between the two. He jg like a tongue books, providing benefits of transport living between two sets of teeth. If and not the least, providing thinp on.e ~et of teeth comes and hangs en cheaply to/ that class of population the tongue, the ton.gue is hurt; if the which suffers. other set of teeth hangs on the toogue, then also it is hurt. So, the Finance am sure that Government have Minister's job is not at all an enviable much to do about this aspect of pro- one. What can the Finance Mi'J.ister viding cheaper things for a Ivery do? After levying this taxation and hard-pressed population. The 'Gov- after increasing the estate duty to 811 ernment are seriously concerned per cent, he is branded as if he has a bou t the rise in prices and are trying completely sacrificed the business in- to do sometihing about it. But the I cootive. Both inside and outside the pattern is so complex in its distribu, House, people who are in business say tion. Even Shri Asoka that the Firuance Minister has throttl- Mehta, when he went mto the prob- .. d the business incentive. It is really lem ff foodgrains in that inquiry, painful to hear some hon. Members said about prices that controls saying that the Finance Minister's are very good and distribution taxation policies have supported big by the State is very good in cas!" business. I would like to know where we have o~ the administrative the Finance Minister has S'llworted machinery. Wei do not want to get big business. The estate duty has bogged down in bureaucratic red- been enhanced, as I have already tape again. We must have a machi- pointed out, to 85 per cent. Even a nerv to fulfil the task which is en-' socialist economist like Mr. Owen and tru~te / to it. Bureaucratic red- so many others have said that taxa- tape would be horrible for this coun- tion is one of the best wayS to equ,l- try. Resolution re: MAY 1, 1964 Disparity in Income I3986 Income [Shrimati ar e h ar~ Sinha] Therefore, it is not lack of inten- ~ ~ err... fmilT ~ mer '" ~ ifI '1<: ~m if7 'IlTlml' it ~ m ~ ~ 'f>T ~ 'rr lfTttl'l'I 'rr lrof ~ ~ ~ ~r if W rn ~ ""{fit 'l<: +rn:(T t ~~~ ru~~ r.~ ~ ifI fOfoT GMGIPND-LSII--555 (Al) LSD- LSD-20-5-64-980.