Tuesday, April 24,1962 Vaisakha 4, 1884 (Saka) DEBATES

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Third Series Volume I, 1962/1884 (Saka) sri! I6 to 27, I962/Chaicra 26 to Vaisakha 7, I884 (Saka) ...

o FIRST SESSION, 1962f":884 (Saka (Vol. I contains Nos. I to IO)

iOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI , (

CONTENTS [THIRD SERIES, Vol. I-April 16 to 27, 1962/Chaitra 26 to Vaisakha 7, 1884 (Saka)]

COLUMNS No. I-Monday, April 16, 1962/Chaitra 26, 1884 (Saka).

Members sworn .' 1-18 Resignation of Member 18 Daily Digest .. 19-20 No. 2.-Tuesday, April, 17, 1962/0haitra 27, 1824 (Saka) Members sworn 21-22 Election of Speaker 22-24 Felicitations to the Speaker 24-40 Daily Digest 41-42

No. 3.-Wednesday, April 18, 1962/Chaitra 28, 1884 (Saka) Members sworn • 43 Re : Motions for adjournment 43-44 President's Address laid on the Table ~ Papers lai on the Table 44-56 President's assent to Bills 56-58

Daily Digest 59-60 No. 4.-Thursday, April 19, 1962/Ghaitra 29, 1884 (Saka) Members sworn 61 Business of the House 61-63 Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. I, 2, 21, 22, 3 to II and 13. 63-97 Short Notice Question No. I 98-100 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 12, 14 to 20 and 23 to 42 100-II7 Unstarred Questions Nos. I to 6 and 8 to 19 117-27 le : Motions for Adjournment 128-33 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Police Firing in Andaman Islands . • 133-43 Re : Procedure 143-45 Papers laid on the Table 146 Panel of Chairmen 146-47 Railway Budget, 1962-63-presented 147-58 , tement re : Commonwealth Prime Ministers' Conference 158-60 Daily Digest 161-64 ii

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165 , , .j .t Oral-Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 43 to 48,50,51,55,52 to 54, and 56 to 59 165-200 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 49 and ~o to 79 200-213 Unstarred Questions Nos. 20 to 66 213-'40 Papers lajd on the Table " 240--42 Estimates Committee Hundred and sixty-ninth Report 242, Hundred and seventieth Report 242 Hundred and seventy-first Report . 242 Hundred and seventy-second Report 242-4~ B.ps~ess of the House: . • 243 Railway Budget-General Discussion 243-'3()'I( Resolution re : Abolition of Capital Punishment-withdrawn 3Ci7-6S.

Resolution Re : Janta Express Trains 365-70 . Daily Digest 371-'76 " iii COL'UMNS

No. 6.-Mollday, ApTi123, 1962/Vaisakha 3,1884(Saka) Members sworn .: ,.'! . - - !, . 377 Oral Answers to Questions- S1\Ir~ Questions Nos: 80, 81 and 83 to 94 371"':"'414 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Quesions Nos. 82, 95 to 122 and 124 to 131 . ~ , I 414-39· UnstarredQuestions Nos. 67 to 126 439-75 Re : Motions for adjournment 475-78 Re : Calling Attention Notices 478 Papers laid:o~ the Table 47.~~. Election -ofDeputy-5peaker 2 481-9~ •• ~ 1.. Felicitationsto the Deputy-Speaker 492-5~ 00~:.. Railway Budget - General discussion . 500-7'7 General Budget, 1962-Presented 05' , 577-6 Finartce.(No.2) Bill, 1962 -Introduced. 605-06' Daily Digest 607-'"-14 No. 7:~Tuesday, April 24, I962/Vaisakha 4, (Saka) . .•.. ~.. 1884 Members sworn 6:';5 Oral Answers to Questions- -Starred Questions Nos. 132 to 147 . 6I.s~55 Sho~t Notice Question No. 2 . .. (i56-59 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 148 to 161 659-68 Unstarred Questions Nos. 127 to 140 668~76 Statement-re: Proposed, resumption of Nuclear Tests by U.S.A. and i\irmen captured by Naga Hostiles '-.' 676-82 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Disturbances in border areas of Maldah District 682-84.. Re. Simultaneous translation of proceedings . 684~86 Papers laid on the Table ·686 Message from 687 Drugs (Amendment) BiN- - Laid on the Table as passed by Rajya Sabha '.'687 Re. allotment of seats. 687~88 Statement re. Railway Accident near Dhanbad 68&-91, Railway Budget - General Discussion 691-796 Daily Digest 797-800 No. 8.-Wednesday, April 25,1962/Vaisakha 5,1884 (Saka) Members sworn •... SOl Oral Answers to Questions-« Starred Questions Nos. 163 to 171, 173, 176 and 177 801-36 IV

Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos: 163, 172, 174, 175 and 178 to 195 836-S1

Unstarred Questions Nos. 141 to 164, 166 to 168 and lyO to 182. 851-73 Papers laid on the Table 813-'74 Elections to Committees-

I. Indian Council of Agricultural Research 814 2. Indian Central Sugarcane Committee 874-75 3. National Shipping Board 875 4. All- Institute of Medical Sciences 876 Re : Simultaneous translation of proceedings 816-80 Railway Budget-General Discussion 880-1018

Daily Digest 1019-22

N\>. 9.-ThuTsday, April 26, 1962/Vaisakha 6, 1884(Saka) Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 196 to 198, 200 to 206 and 208 to arc 1023-61 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 199, 207 and 2II to 232. Unstarred Questions Nos. 183 to 187 and 189 to 222. Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent PUBlic Importance- Acquisition of land for Namrup Fertilizer Project 1098-IlOl Papers laid on the Table IIOI-04 Election to Committees- Council under Institute of Technology Act. II04-o5 Governing Council of Indian School of Mines II05 Railway Budget-General Discussion II05-76 Motion on Address by the President II76-I246

Daily Digest 1241-52

No. lO.-Friday, April 27, 1962/Vaisakha 7, 1884 (Saka)

Members sworn 1253 Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 233 to 239, 241 and 243 to 253 1253-93 Written Answers to Questions-

Starred Questions Nos. 240, 242 and 254 to 268 1293-1303 Unstarred Questions Nos. 223 to 249 • 1303-21 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Scarcity of cement in Bihar 132~-25 Papers laid on the Table 1325-26 Business of the House 1326-27 Elections to Committees- I. Rubber Board . 1327-28 2. Central Silk Board 1328 Motion. on Address by the President 1328-76, 1385-1432 v

COLUMNS Bills introduced 1377-84 (I) Code of Criminal Procedure (Amendment) Bill, 1962 (Amendment of Sections 348 and 562) by Shri M. L. Dwivedi 1377 (2) The Featories (Amendment) Bill, 1962 (Insertion of new section 9A) by Shri Satis Chandra Samanta...... (3) The Legislative Councils (Composition) Bill, 1962 by Shri Shree Narayan Das (4) The Civil Aviation (Licensing) Bill, I ~62 by Shri J.B.S. Bist .. (s) The Indian Post Office (Amendment) ":t ill, 1962 (Amendment of sections 68 and 69) by Shri Satis Chandra Samanta, (6) The Public Employment (Requirement as to Residence) Amendment Bill, 1962 (Amendment of section s) by Shri J.B.S. Bist . 1382 (7) The Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Bill, 1962 (Omission 0/ section 87-B) by Shri M. L. Dwivedi (8) The Hoarding and Profiteering Prevention BilI, 1962 by Shri M.L. Dwivedi. 1388-84 (9) The Coir Industry (Amendment) Bill, 1962 (Amendment of sections 10, 20, 21 and 26) by Shri Satis Chandra Samanta, 1383-84 (10) The Film Industry Workers (Improvement of Working Conditions) Bill, 1962 by Shri J.B.S. Bist 1384 (rr) The Hindu Succession (Amendment) Bill, 1962 (Insertion of new section 23A) by Shri J.B.S. Bist

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N.B.- The sign + marked above the name of a Member on Questions which were orally answered indicates that the Question was actually asked 011 the floor of the House by that Member.

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GMGIPND-LS II-262 (Ai) LSD-II-S-62-900. LOK SABHA Alphabetical List of Members

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Abdul Ghani, Shri (Jammu and Banerjee, Shri S. M. (Kanpur). Kashmir) . Banerji, Dr. R. (Bankura). Abdur Rashid, Bakhshi (Jammu and Baria, Shri Hirabhai Kunverabhai Kashmir). (Dohad) . Achal Singh, Seth (Agra) . Barkataki, Shrimati Renuka Devi .Achuthan, Shri R. (Mavelikara). (Barpeta) . Akkamma Devi, Shrimati (Nilgiris) , Barrow, Shri A. E. T. (Nominated- Anglo-Indians) . Alagesan, Shri O. V. (Chingleput). Barua, Shri Hem (Gauhati). Alva, Shri A. Shanker (Mangalore). Barua, Shri Rajendranath (Jorhat). Alva, Shri Joachim (Kanara). Barupal, Shri Panna Lal (Ganga- Aney, Dr. M. S. (Nagpur ) , nagar) . Anjanappa, Shri B. (Nellore). Basant Kuwari, Shr imati (Kai- .Aukil1,.eedu, Shri Maganti (Gudivada). sarganj ). Anthony, Shri Frank (Nominated- Basappa, Shrt C. R. (Tiptur). Anglo-Indians) . BasL1, Shri G. (Burdwan). Arunachalam, Shri N. (Ramanathapu- Basumatari, Shri D. (Goalpara). ram). Baswant, Shri Sonubhau Dagadu Ayyangar, Shri M. Ananthasayanam (Thana) . (Chittcor) . Bateshwar Singh, Shri (Giridih). Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha (Bhagalpur). Berwar, Shri Unkarlal (Kotahi . Besra, Shr i Satyacharan (Dumka) B Bhagabati, Shri Bijoy Chandra (Darrang) .

.Babunath Singh, Shri (Surguja). Bhagat, Shri Baliram (Shahabad) , Bade, Shri Ramchandra Vithal (Khar- Bhakt Darshan, Shri (Garhwal j . gone) . Brsanja Deo, Shri Laxminarayan Badrudduja, Shri (Murshidabad). (Keonjhar) . Bagri, Shri Mani Ram (Hissar) . Bhanu Prakasj, Singh, Shri (Raj- Bajaj, Shri Kamalnayan (Wardha) , garh). Bakliwal, Shri Mohanlal (Durg) , Bhargava, Shri M. B. L. (Ajmer). Bal Krishna Singh, Shri (Chandauli). Bhatkar, Shr i Laxmanrao Shrawanji Balakrishnan, Shri S. C. (Koilpatti). (Khamgaon) . Balm'ki, Shr i K. L. (Khurja) , Bhattacharyya, Shri C. K. (Raiganj). (ii )

B--contd. D Bhattacharya, Shri Dinen (Seram- Dafie, Shri Vijayasinhrao Parnrao pore) . (Miraj) . Bhawani, Shri Lakhmu (Bastar). Daji, Shri Homi F. (Indore). Biren Dutta, Shri (Tripura West). Birendra Bahadur Singh Shri (Ra;- Dalji~ Singh, Shri (Una). nandgaon). ' " Das, Dr. Mono Mohon (Ausgram) . Bist, Shri Jang Bahadur" Singh (Almora) . Das, Shri Basanta Kumar (Contai ) . Borooah, Shri Prafulla Chandra Das, Shri Nayantara (Jamui). (Sibsagar) . Brahm Prakash, Choudhuri (Outer Das, Shri Sudhansu Bhushan (Diamond Harbour). Delhi) . Brahmjeet, Shri (Jaunpur). Dasappa, Shr i H. C. (Bangalore) . Brajeshwar Prasad, Shri (Gaya). Dasaratha Deb, Shri (Tripura East). Braj Basi Lal, Shri (Faizabad). Dass, Shri C. (Tirupathi). Brij Raj Singh, Maharajkumar Datar, Shri B. N. (Belgaun) , (Jhalawar) . Deo, Shri P. K. (Kalahandi). Brij Raj Singh, Shri (Bareilly). Deo, Shri Vijaya Bhushan Si nghi Buta Singh, Shri (Moga). (Raigarh) . C Deo Bhanj, Shr i P. C. (Bhubanes,.r). Chakravartty, Shrimati Renu (Bc,r- Desai, Shri Morarji (Surat) . rackpore) . Deshmukh, Dr. Punjabr ao S. (Amru- Chakravarti, Shri P. R. (Dhanbad) . vati) , . Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsna (Cachar). Deshmukh, Shri B. D. (Aurangabad) . Chandak, Shri B. L. (Chhindwara). Deshmukh, Shri Shi vaji Rao Shankar- Chanrirasekhar, Shrimati M. (Mayu- Rao (Parbhani). ram). Deshpande, Shri Govind Hari (Nasik ) . Chandriki, Shri Jagannathra., Verika- Dey, Shri S. K. (Nagaur) . • tarao (Raichur). Chatterjee, Shri H. P. (Nabadwip). Dhaon, Shri B. K. (Lucknow). Dharmalingam, Shri R. (Tiru"IWnna- • Chaturvedi, Shr i S. N. (Firozabad). malai) . Chaudhary, Shri Yudhvir Singh (Mahendragarh) . Dhebar, Shri U.N. (Rajkotj , Chaudhry, Shri Chandrarnani La! Dhuleshwar Meena, Shri (Udaipur) , (Mahua) . Dighe, Shri Bhaskar Narayan Chaudhuri, Shri Digambar Singh (Kolaba) . (Mathura). Dinesh Singh, Shri (Salon). Chaudhuri, Shri Sachindra Nath (Ghatal) . Dixit, Shri G. N. (Etawah). Chaudhuri, Shri Tridib Kumar Dube, Shri Mulchand (Farrukha- (Berhampur) . bad) . Chaudhuri, Shrimati Kamala (Hapur ) , Dubey, Shri Rajaram Giridhar ilaf Chavda, Shrimati Zohraben (Banas- (Bijapur North). - kantha) . Dwivedi, Shri Mannoo Lal (Hanur- Chavan, Shri D. R. (Karad). pur). Chettiar, Shri R. Ramanathan (Karur) . Dwivedi, Shri Surendranath (Kenrlra- Chuni Lal, Shri (Ambala) . para) . (iii)

E H Hajarnavis, Shri R. M. (Bhandara) Elayaperumal, Shri L. (Ttrukcil ur) . Hansda, Shri Subodh (Jhargram) . Elias, Shri Mohammad (Howrah). Hanumanthiah, Shri K. (Bangalore Eririg, Shri D. (Nominated-North City) . East Frontier Tract). Haq, Shri M. M. (Akola). Harvani, Shri Ansar (Bisaulij F Hazarika, Shri J. N. (Dibrugarh ) .

Firodia, Shri Motilal Kundanmal Heda, Shri Harish Chandrx (Nizama- (Ahmednagar) . bad). Himatsingka, Shri Prabhu Dayal (Godda) . G Himmatsinghji, Shri (Kulch). Hukam Singh, Shri (Patiala) . Gaekwad, Shr] Fatehsinhrao Pratap- sinhrao (Baroda). I Gahmari, Shri Vishwanath Singh (Ghazipur) . Imbichibava, Shri E. K. (Ponnani) . Gajraj Singh, Shri (Gurgaon). Iqbal Singh, Shri (Ferozepur}. Ganapati Ram, Shri (Machhlishahr) . Ismail, Shri M. Muhammad (Manjer i) .

Gandhi, Shri V. B. (Bombay City J Central South). Ganga Devi, Shr imat] (M ohanlalganj) . Jadhab, Shr] Madhavrao Laxmanrao (Malegaon) . Gauri Shanker, Shri (Fatehpur). Jadhav, Shri Tulshidas (Nanded) , Gayatri Devi, Shrimati tJaipur) , Jagdev Singh, Shri (Jhajjar). Ghosh, Shri Atulya (Asausol ) . Jagjivan Ram, Shri (Sasaram) . Ghosh, Shri N. R. (Jalpaiguri). Jaipal Singh, Shri (Ranchi West). Ghosh, Shri P. K. (Ranchi East). Jamir, Shri Chubatoshi (Nominated- Ghyasuddin Ahamad, Shr] (Dubri) , Naga Hills Tuensang Area). Gokaran Prasad, Shri (Misrikh) , J amunadev:i, Shrimati (Jhabua). Gopal Dutt, Shri (Jammu and Jayaraman, Shri A. (Wandiwash ) . Kashmir). Jedhe, Shr] Gulabrao Keshavlao Gopalan, Shri A. K. (Kasergod) . (Baramati) . Gounder, Shri R. Muthu (Tiruppat- Jena, Shri Kanhu Charan (Bhadrak) , tur). - Jha, Shri Yogendrg (Madhubani ) . . Govind Das, Dr. (Jabalp~r). Joshi, Shr i Anand Chandra (Sidhi). Guha, Shri Arun Chandra (Barasat). Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra (Balram- Gulshan, Shri Dhanna Singh pur). (Bhatinda) . J oti Saroop, Shri (Hathras) , Gupta, Shr] Badshah (Mainpuri ) . Jyotishi, Pandit Jwala Prasad (Sagar). Gupta, Shri Indrajit (Calcutta South West). K Gupta, Shri Kashi R:un (Alwar) . Kabir, Shri Humayun (Basirhat) . Gupta, Shri Priya (Katihar). Kachhavaiya, Shri Hukam Chand Gupta, Shri Ram Ratan (Gonda). (Dewas). Gupta, Shri Shiv Charan (Delhi Kadadi, Shri Madeppa Bandappa Sadar) . (Sholapur) . (iv)

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Kajrolkar, Shri Sadoba Narayarl Kumaran, Shri M. K. (Chirayinkil). (Bombay City Central North). Kunhan, Shri P. (Palghat). Karnath, Shri Hari Vishnu (Hoshanga- bad). Kureel, Shri, Baij Nath (Rae Bareili) . Kamble, Shr i T. D. (Latur) . Kanakasabai, Shri R. (Chidambaram). L Kanungo, Shri Nityanand (Cut~ack). Kappen, Shri Cherian J. (Muvattu- La'hri Singh, Shri (Rohtak). puzha) , . Lakhan Dass, Shri (Shahjahanpur). Kapur Singh, Shri (Ludhiana) Lakshmikanthamma, Shrimati T. Kar, Shri Prabhat (Hooghly). (Khammam). Karjee, Shri Debendra Nath (Cooch Laskar, Shri Nihar Ranjan (Karim- Behar). ganj ). Karni Singhji, Shri (Bikaner ). Laxmi Bai Shrimati Sangam (Vica- Kar uthiruman, Sh r] P. G. (Gobichettl- rabad). palayam) . Laxmi Dass, Shri (Miryalguda). Kayal, Shri Paresh Nath (Joynagar). Lonikar, Shri R. N. Yadav (Jalna). Kedaria, Shri Chhaganlaj (Maudvi ) . Keishing, Shri Rishang (Outer Mani- M pur). Kesar Kurnari Devi, Shr imati (Rai- Mahadeo Prasad, Shri (Bansgaon). pur). Mahadeva Prasad, Dr. (Ma'haraj- Kesar Lal, Shri (Sawai Madhopurj . ganj). Khadilkar, Shri R. K. (Khed). Mahanand, Shri Hruchikesh (Bola- Khan, Dr. Purnendu Narayan (Ulube- ngir) . ria) . Mahato, Shri Bhajahari (Purulia). Khan, 'Shri Osman AIi (Anantapur ) . Mahida, Shri Narendrasinh Ranjit- Khan, Shri Shahnawaz (Meerut) , sinh (Anand) , Mahtab, Shri Hare Krushna (Angul) Khanna, Shri Mehr Chand (New Delhi) . Maimoona Sultan, Shrimati (Bhopal) Majithia, Sardar Surjit Singh (Taran Khanna, Shri Prem Kishan (Kaim- Taran) ganj) . Malaichami, Shri M. (Periyakulam). Kindar Lal, Shri (Hardoi). Malaviya, Shri Keshav Dev (Basti). Kisan Veer, Shri (Satara) . Malhotra, Shri Inder J. (Jammu and Kashmir) Kohar, Shri Rajendra (Phulbani). Malik, Shri R. C. (Jajpur). Kotoki, Shri Liladhar (Nowgong). Malliah, Shri U. Srinivasa (Udipi). Koya, Shri C. H. Mohammed (Kozhi- Manaen, Shri T. (Darjeeling). kode) . Mandal, Dr. Pashupati (Vishnupur). Kripa Shanker, Shri (Domariaganj) . Mandal, Shri Bhupendra Narayan (Saharsa). Krishna, Shri M. R. (Paddapalli) . Mandal, Shri Jiyalal (Khagaria). Krishnarnachari, Shri T. T. (Tiruchen- Mandal, Shri Y. P. (Jainagar). dur). Maniyangadan, Shri Mathew (Kottta- Kris'hanpal Singh, Shri (Jalesar). yam). ( v )

M-contd. M-contd. Manoharan, Shri K. (Madras South). Mukerjee, Shrimati Sharda (Ratna- giri). Mantri, Shri Dwarkadas (Bhir). Munzni, Shri David (Lohardaga). Marandi, Shri Iswar (Rajmahal). Murli Manohar, Shri (Balia). Maruthiah, Shri P. (Melur). Murmu, Shri Sarkar (Balurghat), Masuriya Din, Shri (Chain. Murthy, Shri B. S. (Amalapuram). Matcharaju, Shri M. (Narasipatnam). Murti, Shri M. S. (Anakapalle). Mate, Shri Kure (Tikamgarh). Musafir, Shri Gurmukh Singh (Amrit- Mathur, Shri Harish Chandra sar). (Jalore). Muthiah, Shri P. (Tirunelveli). Maurya, Shri B. P. (Aligarh). Muzaffar Husain, N. Shri (Morada- Mehdi, Shri S. Ahmad (Rampur). bad) . Mehrotra, Shri Braj Behari (Bilhaur). Naidu, Shri V. Govindasamy (Tiru- Mehta, Shri Jaswantraj (Pali) . vallur). Mehta, Shri Jashvantrai N. (Bhav- Naik, Shri D. J. (Panchmahals). nagar ). Naik, Shri Maheswar (Mayurbhanj), Melkote, Dr. G. S. (Hyderabad). Nair, Shri N. Sreekantan (Quilon). Menon, Shri Panampilli Govinda Nair, Shri P. K. Vasudevan (Ambala- (Mukundapuram) . puzha). Menon, Shri V. K. Krishna (Bombay NalIakoya, Shri Koyilat (Nominated- City North). Laccadive, Minicoy and Amindi ei Minimata, Shrirnati Agamadas Guru Islands). (Baloda Bazar). Nambiar, Shri Ananda (Tiruchira- Mirza, Shri Bakar All (Warrangal) palli). Mishra, Shri Bibudhendra (Puri). Nanda, Shri Gulzari lal (Sabarkan- Mishra, Shri Bibhuti (Motihari). tha). Mishra, Shri Mathura Prasad (Begu- Narayanaswarny, Shri Madala (On- sarai). gole). Misra, Dr. Udaikar (Jamshedpur). Naskar, Shri P. S: (Mathurapur) . Misra, Shri Mahesh Dutta (Khandwa), Natarajan, Shri P. S. (Trivandrum). Misra, Shri Shyam Dhar (Mirzapur). Nath Pai, Shri (Rajapur). Moman Swaroop, Shri (Pilibhit). Nayak, Shri Mohan (Bhanjanagar). Mohanty, Shri Gokulanand (Bala- Nayar, Dr. Sushila (Jhansi). sore). Nehru, Shri Jawaharlal (Phulpur), Mohiuddin, Shri Ahmed (Secundera- Nesarnony, Shri A. (Nagercoil). bad). Nigam, Shrimati 'Savitri (Banda), Mohsin, Shri F. H. (Dharwar South). Niranjan r.ai, Shri (Nominated- Antlaman and Nicobar Islands). Morarka, Shri Radhyshyam Ram- kumar (Jhunjhunu). o More, Dr. Krishnaji Laxman (Hat- Omkar Singh, Shri (Budaun) . kanangle). Oza, Shri Ghanshyamlal (Surendra- More, Shri Shankarrao Shantaram nagar). • (Poona). p Mukane, Shri Yeshwantrao Martand- rao (Bhiwandi). Paliwal, Shri Tika Ram (Hindaun), Mukerjee, Shri H. N. (Calcutta Cen- Pande, Shri Kashi Nath (Hata). tral). Pandey, Shri R. S. (Guna). (vi) P-contd. . R-'Contd. Pandey, Shri Sarjoo (Rasra). Rai, Shrimati Sahodra Bai (Darnoh), Pandey, Shri Vishwa Nath (Salem- Raj Bahadur, Shri (Bharatpur): pur). Raja Shri Chittaranjan (Junagadh). Panna Lal, Shri (Akbarpur). Rajaram, Shri K. (Krishnagiri). Pant, Shri K. C. (Naini Tal). Raju, Shri D. Balarama (Narasapur). Paradhi, Shri Bholaram (Balaghat). Raju, Shri D. S. (Rajahmundry). Parashar, Shri V. C. (Shivpuri) , Rajyalaxmi, Shrimati Lalit (Auran- Paramasivan, Shri S. K. (!:rode). gabad) . Patel, Shri Chudaman Ananda (Dhu- Ram Dulari Devi, Shrimati (Patna). lia). Ram Sewak, Shri (Jalaun). Patel, Shri Chootubhai M. (Broach). Ram Singh, Shrj (Bahraich). Patel, Shr] Man Singh P. (Mehsana), , Dr. (Bikrarn- Patel, Shri Nanubhai N. (Bulsar). ganj ) . Patel, Shri Purushottamdas R. Ram Swarup, Shri (Robertsganj ) . (Patan). Ramabadran, Shri T. D. (Cuddalore). Patel, Shri Rajeshwar (Hajipur). Ramakrishan, Shri P. R. (Coimba- Patil, Shri Deorao Shioram (Yeot- tore) . mal). Ramaswamy, Shri S. V. (Salem). Patil, Shri J. S. (Jalgaon). Ramaswamy, Shri V. K. (Namakkal) , Patil, Shri Madhaorao Bhagwantrao (Ramtek). Ramdhani Das, Shri (Nawada). Patil, Shri S. B. (Bijapur South). Rameshwaranand, Swami (Karnal) . Patil, Shri S. K. (Bombay City Rampure, Shri Mahadevappa (Gul- South). barga). Patil, Shri T. A. (Osmanabad ) . Rananjai Singh, Shri (Musafirkhana). bad). Rane, Shri Shivram Range (Bul- Patil, Shri Vasantrao Lakhagounda dana) . (Chikodi). Ranga Rao, Shri R. V. G. K. (Chee- Patil, Shri V. T. (Kolhapur) , purupalli) . Patnaik, Shri Baishnab Char an Ranjit Singh, Shri (Sangrur). (Dhenkanal) . Rao, Shri P. Hanmanth (Medak). Patnaik, Shri Kisan (Sambalpur ). Rao, Shri J. Ramapathi (Karirn- Pattabhi Raman, Shri C. R. (Kumba- nagar) . konam). Rao, Shri Jaganatha (Nowrangpur). Pottekatt, Shri S. K. (Tellicherry). Rao, Shri S. V. Krishnamoorthy Prabhakar, Shri Naval (Delhi Karol (Shirnoga) . Bagh) , Rac, Shri K. L. (Vijayawada). Prithvi, Raj, Shri (Dausa). Rao, Shri E. Madhusudan (Mahbuba- Puri, Shri D. D. (Kaithal). bad) . Rao, Shri J. B. Muthyal (Mahbuba- R nagar) . Rao, Shri B. Rajagopala (Srikaku- Raghavan, Shri A. V. (Badagara). lam). Raghunath Singh, Shri (Varanasi). Rao, Shri J. Rameshwar (Gadwal). Raghuramaiah, Shri K. (Guntur). Rao, Shri M. Thirumala Rao (Kaki- Rahman, Shri Hifzur (Amroha). nada) . (vii)

~contd. S-contd. Rattan Lal, Shri (Banswara ) . Sen, Shri Ashoke K. (Calcutta North Raut, Shri Bhola (Bettiah). West) . Sen, ShTi Phani Gopal (Purnea). Rawandale, Shri Chudaman Ananda (Dhulia), Seth, Shri Bishanchandar (Etah). Ray, Shr imati Renuka (Malda) . Sezhiyan, Shri Era (Perambalur). Re1di, Dr. B. Gopala (Kavall). Shah, Shri Manabendra (Tehri Garh- wal) . Reddi, Shr i Ravi Narayan (Nal- gonda) . Shah, Shri Manubhai (Jamnagar). Reddiar, Shri R. V. (Tindivanam) , Shah, Shrimati Jayaben (Amreli) . Reddy, Shri C. L. Narasimha (Rajam- Shakuntala Devi, Shrimati (Banka) pet) . Sham Nato11, Shr] (Delhi-Chandni ,Reddy, Shri G. Narayan (Adilabad.) , Chowk) . Reddy, S'hri G. Yallamanda (Marka- Shankaraiya, Shri M. (Mysore ) . pur) . Sharrna, Shri Anand Prasad (Buxar), Reddy, Shri K. C. (Chikba llapur ) . Sharrna, Shri Diwan Chang (Gurdas- Reddy, ~~ri K. V. Ramakrishna pur) . (Hindupur) . Sharma, Shri K. C. (Sardhana) . Reddy, S.1ri Y. Eswara (Cuddapah ) . Shashank Manjari, Shrirnati (Pala- Reddy, Shrimati Yashoda (Kurnool). mau). Roy, Dr. Sardish (Katwa) . Shastri, Shri Lal Bahadur (Allaha- bad). Roy, Shri Biswanath (Deoria) , Shastri, Shri Prakash Vir (BIJ110r). S Shashi Ranjan, Shri (Pupri). Shastri, Shri Rama Nand (Ramasane- Sadhu Ram, Shri (Phillaur) , highat) . Saha, Dr. Sisir Kumar (Birbhum) . Sheo Narain, Shri (Bansi) ." Sahu, Shri Rameshwar (Rosera). Shinde, Shr i Annasaheb (Kopargacn). Saigal, Shri Amar Singh (Janjglr). Shivananjappa, Shr] M. K. (Mandya). Samanta, Shri S. C. (Tamluk). Shree Narayan ·nas, 8hri (Dar- Samnani Shri Nazir Hussain (Jammu bhanga i . ' and Kashmir). Shrimali, Dr. K. L. (Bhilwara) , .Sanj i Rupji, Shri (Nominatcd-Dadra Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan (M~hasa- and Nagar Haveli). mund ) . Saraf, Shri Shyam Lal (Jammu and Shyamshah, Shri Lal (Chanda) , Kashmir) . Siddananjappa, Shri H. (Hassan). Sarma, Shri A. T. (Chatrapur) . Siddiah, Shri S. M. (Chamaraja- Sarojini Bindurao, Shrimati Mahishi • nagar). (Dharwar North). Sidheshwar Prasad, So11ri (Nalanda). Satya Prakash, Shr] (Bilaspur) . Singh, Dr. Basant Narain (Hazari- Satyabhama Devi, Shrimati(Jahana- bagh) . bad) . Singh, Shri Ajirt Pratap (Pratap- .Satyanarayana, Shri Biddika (Par- garh) . , vathipuram) . Singh, Shri Digvijaya Narain (Muzar- Scindia, Shrimati Vijaya Raje < Gwa- farpur) . lior) . Singh, 8>hri Jai Bahadur (Ghosi). Sen, Dr. Ranendra Nath (Calcutta 'Singh, Shri Krishna Kanta (Maha- East). r'ajganj ) . (viii)

S-contd. T-contd:. Singh, Shri Ramsekhar Prasad (Cha- Thevar, Shri U. Muthurarnalingai pra) . (Aruppukottai ) . Singh, Shri Surendra Pal (Buland- Thevar, Shri V. Vairava (Thanjavur n. shhr) . Thimmaiah, Shri Dodda (Kolar-) . Singh, Shri Yuvraj Dutta (Shaha- Thomas, Shri A. M. (Ernakulam). bad) . 'I'iwary, Shri Dwarka Nath (Gopal- Singha, Shr i Gobinda Kumar (Mid. ganj) . napore) . Tiwari, Shri Kamal Nath (Bagaha). Singha, Shr] Yagnya Narayan (Sun- Tiwarv, Shri Ram Sahai (Khajuraho) •. dergarh) . Tombi, Shri Salam (Inner Manipur) .. Singhvi, Dr. L. M. (Jodhpur) . Tripathi, Shri Krishna Deo (Unnao) .. Sinha, Shri Banarsi Prasad (Mori- ghyr) . 'I'rivedi, Shri Uma Shankar. (Mand- saur) . Sinha, Shri Satya Narayan (Samas- tipur) . Tula Ram, Shri (Chatampur ) . Sinha, Shrimati Tarkeshwari (Barh) , Tulmohan Ram, Shri (Sonbarsa). Sinhasan Singh, Shr] (Gorakhpur) . Tyagi, Shri Mahavir (Dehra Dun) .. Sivasankaran, Shri P, (Sriperumbu- dur). u Solanki Shri Pravinsinh Natavarsinh Uikey, Shri M; G. (Mandla). (Kaira) . Ulaka, Shri Ramachandra (Koraput); Sonavane, Shri T. H. (Pandharpur ). Umanath, Shri R. (Pudukkottai). Soundaram Ramachandran, Shrimati Upadhyay a, Shr] Shiva Dutt (Rewa) •. T. S. (Dindigul). Utiya, Shri Buddhu Singh (Shahdol), SOY, Shri Hari Charan (Singhbhum). Srinivasan, Dr. P. (Madras North). v: Subhararnan, Shri N. M. R. (Madu- Vaishya, Shri Muldas Bhudardas- rai) . (Sabarmati) . Subramaniarn, Shri C. (Pollachi) . Valvi, Shri Laxman, Vedu (Nandur- Subramanyam, Shr] Tekur (Bellary). bar) . Sumat Prasad, Shri (Muzaffarnagar ). Varrna, Shri Manikyalal (Chittor- garh) . Sunder Lal, Shri (Saharanpur). Varma, Shri Ravindra (Thiruvalla) . Surya Prasad, Shri (Bhind). Veerahasappa, Shri S. (Chitra- Sw amy, Shri M. P. (Tenkasi) . durga) . Swamy Shri Shivamurthy Siddappa Veerappa, Shr] Ramchander (Bidar), (Koppal) . Venkaiah, Shr-i Kolla (Tenali). , Shri (Jullundur). Verikatasubbaiah, Shri Pendekanti Swell, Shri G. G. (Assam-Autono- (Adoni ).. mous Districts). Venkataswamy, Shr i Mandala (Masu- lipatnam) . T Verma, Shri Balgovind (Kheri). Tahir, Shri Mohammad (Kishanganj). Verma, Shri Krishna Kunwar (Sul- Tan Singh, Shri (Barrner ) . tanpur) . Tantia, Shri Rameshwarlal (Sikar ) . Verma, Shr] Sur aj Lal (Sitapur) , Thengondar, Shr'i Gopalsamy (Naga- Vidyalankar Shr] Amar Nath (Hosh- pattiriam) . iarpur ) . ' (ix)

V-contd. y Vijaya Ananda, Maharajkumar (Visa- khapatnam) . Yadab, Shri Nagendra Prasad (Sita-· marhi) . Vijaya Raje, Shrimati (Chatra). Yadav, Shri Ram Harkh (Azamgarh). Vimla Devi, Shrimati V. (Eluru) . Yadav, Shr i Ram Sewak (Bara- Vishram Prasad, Shr i (Lalganj ) . Bamki) . Vyas, Shri Radhelal (Ujjain) . Yadava, Shri Bhishma Prasad (Kesa- W ria) . Wadiva, Shri N. M. (Seoni) , Yajnik, Shri Indulal Kanaiyalals (Ahmedabad) . Wahid, Shri T. Ab dul (Vellore). Yashpal Singh, Shri (Kairana) . Warior, Shri K. K. (Trichur). Wasnik, Shri Balkrishna (Gondia). Yusuf, Shri Mohammad (Siwan) ,

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LOK SABHA

The Speaker Sardar Hukam Singh The Deputy Speaker Shri S. V.• Krishnamoorthy Rao

Panel of Chairmen Shri Mulchanrl Dube Shri Jaganatha Rao Shrimati Renu Chakravartty Shri Surendranath Dwivedi Shri Shyam Nath

Secretary Shri M. N. Kaul, Barrister-at Law

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.;...•. , (x) GOVERNMENT OF INDIA Members of the Cabinet

Prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Atomic 'Energy.-Shri .. Minister of Finance.-Shri Morarji R. Desai. Minister of Transport and Communications.-Shri Jagjivan Ram. Minister of Planning and Labour & Employment.-Shri Gulzarilal Nanda. Minister of Home Affairs.c=Shri Minister of Railways.-Sardar Swaran Singh. . Minister of Commerce & Industry.-Shri K. C. Reddy. Minister of Defence.-Shri V. K. Krishna Menon. Minister of Food & Agriculture-Shri S. K. Patil. Minister of Irrigation & Power.-Hafiz Mohammad Ibrahim. Minister of Law.-Shri Asoke Kumar Sen. Minister of Mines & Fuel.-Shri Keshava Deva Malaviya. Minister of Information & Broadcasting.-Shri B. Gopala Reddi. Minister of Steel & Heavy Industries.c=Shr! C. Subramaniam. Minister of Education.-Dr. K. L. Shrimali. Minister of Scientific Research & Cultural Affairs.--Shri Humavun Kabir. Minister of Parliamentarv Affairs.-Shri Satya Narayan Sinha.

MINISTERS OF STATE Minister of Works, Housing & Supply.-Shri Mehr Chand Khanna. Minister of Industry in the Ministry of Commerce & Industry.-Shri Nitya- nand Kanungo. Minister of Shipping in the Ministry of Transport & Communications.- Shri Raj Bahadur. Minister of Community. Development. Panchayati Raj & Cooper,ation.- Shri S. K. Dey, . Minister of Health+=Dr. Sushila .Nayar .. Minister of International Trade in the Ministry of Commerce & Industrv.-e- Shri Manubhai Shah. Minister of State in the Ministry of Home Affairs.-Shri B. N. Datar. Minister of Labour in the Ministry of Labour and Employment.--Shri Jai Sukh Lal Hathi. Minister of State in the Ministry of External Affairs.-Shrimati Lakshmi N. Menon. Minister of State in the Ministry of Defence..-shri K. Raghu Ramaiah.

DEPUTY MINISTERS

Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Finance.-Shri . Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Scientific Research & Cultural Affairs.- Dr. Mono Mohan Das. • Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Railways.-Shri Shah Nawaz Khan. Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Food.--Shri A. M. Thomas. Deputy Minister in the Ministry of' Law.-Shri R. M. Hajarnais. Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Railways.-Shri S. V. Ramaswamy.

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Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Transport and Communications.-Shri .Ahmed Mohiuddin. Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Finance-Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha. Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Works, Housing and Supply++Shrj P. S. Naskar. Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Community Development, Panchavati Raj & Cooperation.-Shri B. S. Murthy. Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Education.-Shrimati Soundaram Rama- chandran. LOK SABHA DEBATES

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LOK SABHA : VfJ A arr^T 9V5TT Tuesday, April 24, 1962/V aiaakha 4, f fa WWR % 7RT ^TT v t f 1884 (Saka). wwt $ vr ifr f^rtrr ^ The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the jfWt ? Clock.

IMh. S p e a k e r in the Chair.] MEMBERS SWORN ^TR' TT % ^ 3CT TO T | | 1. Shri Satyanarayana (Parvathi- puram).

v r w ' % .... ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS warn n^rtw : Non-ferrous Metals *3n, v m *13%. 8 hri Raghimatb Sittgh: Will $ i the Minister of Commerce and Indus­ try be pleased to state: 'nj»TT«r

Export of Pharmaceuticals Shri Manubhai Shah: The foreign exchange earning is round, about a ~ crore of rupees. • f Shri SubOdh Hansda: 133. Shri S. C. Samanta: l Shri Sham Lal Saraf: What are the Will the Minister of Commerce and main pharmaceuticals that are being. Industry be pleased to state: exported out of the country at the moment? (a) whether there is any proposal to export pharmaceuticals to foreign ShriManubhai Shah: Some herbals countries; and alkaloids and some sulpha drugs. and various other preparations: . (b) if so,. the steps taken in this regard; and Shri Hanumanthiah: Is it possible Cc) to which countries the pharma- to promote the export of Ayurvedic ceuticals will be exported? pharmaceuticals to other countries?

The Minister of International Trade Shri Manubhai Shah: Out of the in the Ministry of Commerce and one crcre something goes to -Malaya Industry (ShH Manubhai Shah): (a) and Ceylon of ayurvedic pharmace- and Cc). Pharmaceuticals are already uticals medicines. Oroi An«*r« VAISAjBtA 4, 1*4 {SAKA) Otttl AmtMtt J 610

HtH S. «. fcmttdita; % I kno* State sector and how m&liy tttttes rn/bfiikm apart from the drugs that are likely to be set up? are exported similar drugs are being Shri MaAttbhal Shah: W e have imported also} issued a directive that all public 'sec­ Shri Msnabhal Shah: In one or two tor undertakings will have to cases it is so because we want to undertake in the Third Five Year have a market exploration. Actually, Plan the setting up of a minimum of we have asked the Hindustan Anti­ one estate attached to each public biotics to export penicillin even sector project. though We have to import something. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: What OnCe our market is created, we can is the response from the State under­ always embark upon that. takings? In answer to part (c) of the question, it has been stated that Industrial Estates these industrial estates are being *134. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: located at the site of the larger W ill the Minister of Commerce and undertakings. Does the directive Industry be pleased to state: also include the dispersal of the in­ dustrial estates? (a) which of the Public sector enterprises have set up Industrial Shri Manubhai Shah: Yes, Sir. To Estates for the production of ancil­ tho latter part of the question, my lary or auxiliary products; answer is, Yes. The directive is to avoid concentration. But, where the (b) whether a similar proposal has main industry is large, as I have had been taken up by large scale indus­ the privilage of explaining the position trial concerns in private sector; and some time ago, it is very difficult for (c) whether these Industrial Estates the managers to go out of the very are set up at the site of the Large area where the project is located. So, Industry or are dispersed? the natural consequence is that the The Minister ot International Trade first estate is generally located where In the Ministry of Commerce the project is; but further estates Industry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) will be dispersed. to (c). A statement is laid ‘ on the Shri Basappa: Has it come to the Table of the House. notice of Government that not only from the point of view of employ­ Statement ment but also from the point of view (a) Hindustan Machine Tools, Ltd., of reduced costs, ancillary units are bangalore have set up an Industrial much better than big units? Estate for the production of some of their ancillary products. Shri Manubhai Shah: That is true. Heavy Electricals (India) I>tdL, Shri Ramanathan Chettlar: Apart Bhopal, Praga Tools Corporation, from the setting up of industrial Hyderabad, and National Instruments estates by the public sector, may I Ltd., Calcutta have taken prepara­ know whether Government are going tory steps for setting up ancillary to set up industrial estates in the industrial estates. rural areas? Shri Manubhai Shah: Yes, Sir, a (b) Yes, Sir, from one private large number of them. sector unit Shri S. M. Banerjee: In the state­ (e) The above ancillary industrial ment, it is stated in reply to part estates are or will be set up at the (b )— sites of the Large Industries. “from one private sector unit”. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: What I want to know which is the pri­ it Government’s programme for the vate sector unit which has asked for •&Wng up of Industrial estates In the the permission. 6ai Qfml Anrw rt APRIL M , 1SM& Oral A%tv>*rm

Skd M auUul Shah: There is one to (e). A atatem^nt la laid oft, in Madras, The Enfield Motors. Table of the House.

Shri laltamuda Reddy: May Staxoosnt know the facilities that are being offered to these people who are join* (a) Yes, Sir. in f the ancillary industrial estates? (b ) 1958-59; Rs. 8,398 Shri Manubhai Shah: They are 1959-60: Rs. 11,512 well-known after 5 years of intensive 1980-61: Rs. 42,510 working on this. Additionally Rs. 58,000 were spent Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: The in India for production of a film for hon. Minister stated that he has issued exhibition in foreign countries. a directive to the State undertakings (c) No, Sir. for the setting up of industrial esta­ tes. What about the private large- Shri S. C. Samanta: Is it not a fact scale industries? Has he considered that the coffee that is pooled by the the advisability of having any re­ Coffee Board is allocated for internal gulatory powers for them? and external purposes? May I know how the Coffee Board encouraged the Shri Manubhai Shah: No regula­ export of coffee inspite of internal^ tory powers are necessary. The hon.- consumption? Member knows that all these present 120 industrial estates plus the 300 Shri Manubhai Shah: The whole Industrial estates programme of the idea is to export as much coffee as Third Plan apart from the LIC sup­ possible; the Arabica variety has got ported estates with loan assistance of a great demand about Rs. 12 crores, more than 100 to Shri Subodh Hansda: Which are 200 industrial estates, are all oriented the main producing countries that towards the private sector ancillary are competing with Indian coffee? industries. Shri Manubhai: For instance, Bra­ Exports of Indian Coffee zil. Ours is less than one per cent of the world’s production. + (* Shri S. C. Samanta: Shri Jaganatha Rao: From the sta­ *185. J Shri Subodh Hansda: tement it is evident that the expen­ (_ Shri M. L. Dwivedi: diture on export promotion has been increasing. May I know the corres­ Will the Minister of Commerce and ponding increase in foreign exchange Industry be pleased to state: earnings?

(a) whether attempts are being Shri Manubhai Shah: Yes, Sir; it is made at present to increase exports ol so. Actually the expenditure if very India

*nrrcr, Dr. B. Gopala Beddi: That is being done in Delhi.

* t ? Shri Ansar Harvani: Do the Minis­ try of Information propose to seek the Dr. B. Oopala Beddi: Not in the help of the film industry in Bombay Third Plan. for this television work? Shri O. C. Shanna: May I know whether the television station will be Dr. B. Gopala Beddi: I do not know opened with pur own efforts or some what the film industry can do for the foreign collaborator will be there as television. We shall explore the in the oaae o f Delhi? possibilities. 625 Oral Answ~ .APRIL 24, .1962 Oral AnsweTs

Shri Ansar Harvani: They can pro- Code of Discipline vide the technical know how. ';'137. Shri S. M. Banerjeez Will the Mr. Speaker: The hon. 'Member Minister of Labour and Employment might put the quest'on. Some hon. be pleased to state: Members have not followed what his (a) whether code of discipline has question was; I have also not followed been accepted by Railways,' P. & T., what he said. Defence and other Central Govern- Shri Ansar Harvani: My question ment undertakings; and was this: whether the Ministry of In- (b) if not, the reasons therefor? formation and Broadcasting proposed to seek the help and aid of the film The Minister of· Labour in the industry in Bombay for the Bombay Ministry of Labour and Employment television project. (Shri Hathi): (a) and (b). The Min-' istry of Railways do not consider it Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: If necessary, necessary to adopt the Code on the we shall explore all the possibilities ground that an establisheg machinery of utilising the services of the film· for resolving disputes etc. is already industry also. functioning on the Railways satis- factorily. In Defence undertakings, ll>fT ~q;:rTq' f~: ~~ Gf'ffl ~~1- the question of adoption of the Code fGffqr., ~c: ~fC1'fi lf~"TT ~ I 'FIT 'fili: is being pursued in consultation with workers' representatives. The Code UfGT tf~., ~c:chrn: Cfl':~ 'fir >flWf applies to all other Central Govern- f'filff ~'1lT, aTI'fi Cf~ UN"R:iJf ~T'l1 ment departmental undertakings CfiT ;a-~ ~ ~ ? covered under the Industria-l Disputes Act, 1947. In the case of P. & T. it Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: Perhaps the applies to industrial establishments Minister of Commerce and Industry like workshops, wireless stations, stores etc. will be able to answer that question.

Shri Nath Pais I do not know if he Shri S. M. Banerjee: May I know will take the same shelter which he whether any difficulty has been expe- took in reply to the same question rienced in adopting this code in the put by my hon. friend, Shri Raghu- defence establishments, -md whether nath Singh. I want to know the same they have put forward any difficulties thing: is any plan under considera- and if, so, what ars those difficulties? tion of the Government to start pro- duction of television sets in the coun- Shri Hathi: As I said in reply to try. Do they propose to import them the original question, the Defence and, if so, at what cost and what is Ministry is negotiating with the wor- the foreign exchange? kers; they are pursuing the question of adopting the code. The Minister of International Trade in the Ministry of Commerce and Shri S. M. Banerjeer . May I know Industry (Shri Manubhai Shah): As whether this code of dis-ciplinewj,H be the demand for television sets has implemented in the public sector un- been limited, as I had mentioned in dertakings like the various corpora- the House earlier, there is no pro- tions, the Heavy Electricals and gramme of manufacture of television others? sets in the country. Shri Hathi: Yes; it will be. Shri Prabhat liar: What is the foreign exchange component for the Shr] Daji: I would like to know establishment of television here? what the views of the Railway Minis- try are, with reference to the views Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: It is Rs. 28'.17 of the Labour Ministry, because it has lakhs. been clearly laid down by the Labour £27 O m l A n sw ers VAI3AKHA 4, lfM (SAKA) Oral A n a w ert 628

Ministry fch*t the -code should be third tier does not function; it has immediately implaraeMed by the rail­ never functioned. ways and dsefodce. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Shri Hathl: The matter is being dif- Ctwsed with the Railway Ministry also, Shri Tridlb Komar Chaudhurl: Be­ fore formulating this code of discipline hut the Railway Ministry thin its that it has a machinery which would be which was adopted in the tripartite labour conference about two years ago. sufficient and adequate and' that it has had not the Labour Ministry consult­ a code of rules also. But still the ed the other employing Ministries, and Labour Ministry is pursuing the mat­ ter with the Railway Ministry. what were their reactions, and with­ out their consent, how could this be Shri Prabhat Kar: May I know formulated? whether it is a fact that the LIC and the Reserve Bank have proposed an The Minister of Planning and Labour amendment to the code of discipline and Employment (Shri Nanda); This and have pressed their views on the code of discipline was evolved mainly Government, and that is why they in consultation with the representa­ have not accepted the code of disci­ tives of the working clajs, organised pline? in various bodies, and the represen­ tatives of the employers. Of course, . Shri Hathl: No; I do not think so. there was some consultation with the Shri Prabhat Kar; Do I take it that representatives of the public sector the Government are not aware of it? also. They are usually present at the time of these meetings. But later on Shri Hathi: It is not a question of there was a conference .'n which all amending. There are certain sugges­ the representatives of the public sec­ tions, of course. tor undertaking were present and it Shri Priya Gupta: May I know was definitely accepted by all of what is the machinery laid down in them. The only remaining sectors lieu of the one which was just men­ were Defence and Railways. As my tioned by the hon. Minister of Rail­ colleague has pointed out, the infor­ ways, and may I know whether the mation given was that the workers All-India Railwaymen’s Federation were then satisfied with the machinery and the respective unions of each which is functioning there now. Now, zonal railway have been consulted be­ in several conferences I asked the re­ fore implementing or discussing the presentatives of the employees to tell good sides and the bad sides of the us if they were not satisfied. I have code of discipline? been told by some of them that they would like to go over to the code of Shri Hathi: That was one of the discipline and, therefore, it is being reasons why the railwaymen have not taken up. adopted it. They haVe said that the workers’ .associations were parties Shri K. N. Pande: Is it ? fact that while this code was being formulated the Railway employees are also not in and that therefore they wanted to con­ favour of adopting the code of disci­ sult them also. pline in the Railways?

Shri Priya Gupta: The first part of Shri Nanda: As far as my know­ my question has not been replied. The ledge is cocerned, such of them as question waa, what is the machinery have approached me have expressed laid down in the railways. their preference for the code of disci­ pline. Shri Hathl: There is a three-tier machinery fo r settling disputes. Mr. Speaker: Next Question—Shri Moshin. 8hri Priya Gupta: What is the third tier? The tribunal which is the Shri Moshin: Question No. 138. <$29 Oral A M ts m APBILM, 1M1 Oral 4 m w i **

Shri Priya Gupta: Sir, have you present prioe line, it is rtlfftouH lo r gone over to the next question? an average wage owner « i India -to- have even on meal « d*y? Mr. Speaker; I have and the hon. Member ha* put it. Shri Nanda: No, Sir. Shri S. M. Banerjee: In the state­ Friee Lise ment it is written: “Measures and policies adopted for increasing pro­ f Shri Mohsin: duction and holding the price lift* \ Shri S. M. Banerjee: have proved generally adequate. The Will the Minister of Planning1 be situation is being kept under constant review”. I want to know, since ttie pleased to stater prices have increased, have shown an (a) the further steps that a'e being upward trend from January to Maroh, taken to hold the price Une; and whether Government contemplate to (b) whether prices of essential com­ have any definite price policy abd modities have gone up since January, appoint a Price Commission for it? 1962? Shri Nanda: The price policy has The Minister of Planning and been clearly laid down in the docu­ Labour and Employ jaent (Shri ment relating to the Third Five Year Nanda): (a) and (b). A statement js Plan, and as has been indicated in tfee laid on the Table of the Hous>c. statement in the course of this year there has been a decline of 3"1 per S t a t e m e n t cent in the wholesale prices. There­ fore, that question does not arise. (a) and (b). The price situation over the last one year has been well Shri Ramananthan Chettiar: May I under control. The general index of know whether there is a special cell wholesale prices for March 1962 was in the Planning Commission in regard 3*1 per cent lower than the March to price line to watch the price line 1961 level. Between January 1962 position; if so, whether that cell is and March 10, 1962, there was some effective to control and watch the increase in wholesale prices of certain price situation? essential commodities such as food Shri Nanda: There is a whole divi­ articles and cotton textiles. But sion which is callcd the Economic thereafter there has been a decline. Division which concerns itself with The food articles index declined from price movements, and the Planning 120-9 on March 10, 1962 to 118.4 by the Commission as a whole has to consider end of March. The index for cotton all the aspects which have a bearing textiles declined from 128 5 to 128-1 in on the price level. the same period. Shri Yallamanda Reddy: Are the For augmenting domestic supplies Government aware of the fact that of cotton, the Government has already yesterday’s taxation proposals will taken steps to import larger quantities raise up the cost of living; if so, may of the required variety. As regards I know what are the actions propos­ cereals, adequate stock are held by ed to be taken by the Government? Government so that releases can be increased if the situation warrants. Shri Nanda: I have not had enough time to calculate precisely whether it The measures and policies adopted will be 0-1 per cent or something tea for increasing production and holding than that. But it is going to be very the price line have proved generally insignificant as far a& I can Judge. adequate. The situation is being kept under constant review. Shri Tridlb Komar Chandhurit In Shri Mohsin: Is it not a fact that view of the fact that the prices of under the present cost of living, the foodstuffs have afoowm a tendency of # 3 1 . O m l VAISAJCHA 4 , 1884 (SAKA) Oral Arutwen 6 3 2

r i s h ^the wholesale prices have level they went to hold the price come down a little only—may I know line. The prices are rising from, what are the reasons which impelled month to month and. year to year the Government to direct the Reserve and all the time we are talking of HMmk to increase the margin of ad­ holding the price line. Where do we vances against foodstuffs which is want to hold the price line? against the policy that was laid down Shri Nanda: A s to the level at last year? which the prices have to be held, it Shri Nanda: Yes, Sir. That policy has been laid down in the document was in operation for a considerable relating to price policy. We do believe period and it has had good effect. that even as it is the prices are higii. Then it was considered that the gene­ So, we cannot tolerate any furtlier ral requirements of the market neces­ rise in price, particularly in respect of sitated a certain relaxation. That is a essential commodities consumed by policy which has been operated in an the masses, Therefore, any rise above elastic and flexible manner. that level is not proper. Mr. Speaker: Next question. Shri Hem Baraa: In view of the fact that the statement shows that an Shri Tyagi: Since it is a very im­ increase in prices was registered dur­ portant question I request you to give ing the initial months of this year a little more time for it 1962 in certain commodities like food Mr. Speaker: That is why I have articles and cotton textiles and as spent about 7 minutes on this question. against that the hon. Finance Minister If hon. Members want the whole ques­ said in his speech on the interim tion hour to be spent on this question budget that the price rise has been, then, of course, it is different mattci. completely arrested, may I know how Otherwise, how can I give time to these two statements do agree and other questions? Now, next qufrtion. whether there is no liaison between the Planning Ministry and the Finance Ministry over this question? ' Shri Nanda: It is a question of pro­ perly understanding what has been stated. I have given the figures, and they are well known. During this 3RTI% £*m : period, that is to say, since the start of the Third Plan, the wholesale ( ^ ) prices have declined somewhat. It is also a fact that during the earlier part there was some rise which has now been offset by a decline. I do share the hon. Member’s anxiety, and I think we cannot be complacent about ( ^ ) fanrrnt Jr 5*: these prices, particularly the retail prices, which go into the consu­ mers’ cost of living index. Though ? the cost of living index has stood steady since August and there have uiwra been no rises— of course, there was W* t) : ( * ) some rise earlier—I think we have to be very watchful and careful about (m). m $ the consumer.prices. Sfcri Harish Chandra Mathor: This 1 question regarding the holding of the price line is not settled unless and un­ I shall also read the answer in Eng­ til the Government tell us as to what lish. 4 3 3 Oral A n tw r a AFSSL 24, 1M* Oiwfr A iw m nm eKsM

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•ft wTF*#N$t : wt vtf wfwrft Will the Minister of Commerce »n<* Or^frf fa t »rt | w vpt vt Industry be pleased to state: % f*rt ? (a) whether a new trade agreement had been concluded with the Soviet •ft v f n«fT : ift *nrm Union for purchasing more Indian % fw r$k % fasft tobacco this year; and %$Rrft f aft fa t • (b) it so, the quality agreed upon 5TRt «rrcr | i and the price? The Minister of Iatex&atfoMl Tra4e •ft f i r f a f : $ afFPTT ’^TUpiT in tbe Ministry at Caanmorce and In - f fa W sfaqff vt it fan * daatry (Sbri ManaUuU Sbalv): («) Tobacco is included in the existing ftifrf ? Trade Agreement with Soviet Union in pursuance of which the •ft ifjnt f w n r : *»$Nf v Trade Representatives and Techno ex­ ^ft | ) *PTT *ft, ^TT *T^% perts make purchases from the trade 3 3 9 O ral VAISAKHA 4, IBM (SAKA) Oral Answers 6 3 6

*t *«JI pis fn*jm the State Tradir.g Cor­ Mr. Speaker: Ha might ask the poration. Ruaaian purchase* are ex­ question straight. pected to be much larger this year. Shri Harl Vishnu Kamath: That

Mr, Speaker: Previously also when Shri Mannbbai Shah: Tobacco is not I requested him to confine himself to classed as such. It has a variety of the question the hon. Member said grades and a certain amount of nico­ that unless these things were said tine percentage. They are showing it was not possible for the hon. interest in all the grades. Minister to understand the question. Now these are not necessary adjectives Shri Bhagwat Jha Abad: What is "that he is using. These are not necea- the expaoted percentage of increase to fttkrtt the required information. in the bulk purchase?

Shri Harl VJ*hnu Kamath: If you Shri Manubhai Shah: If I may be think it fa not necessary, I may not permitted, just now I would not like refer to i t But I thought it is neces­ to disclose the quantity. But it is con­ sary to help him understand the ques­ siderably higher than the original tion. quantity. 6j 7 Oral Atinptr* APRIL 34, lttti Orta AhMIMTB

Shri Abdal Wahid: Will the hon. Hardwar for the Kuxnhha M ek t d r ; Minister of International Trade Me to and it that Indian tobacco bought in rupees is not resold to the Western (b) If to, what is the amount to b* bloc at cheaper prices thus prejudic­ spent on this? ing our direct sales to the Western bloc and earning foreign exchange The Minister o t Information tad ourselves? Broadcasting. (Dr. B. Gopala B tM ); (a) A Plan Publicity Exhibition was Shri Manubhai Shah: This is one of set up by the Director of Advertising the apprehensions in the trade quar­ and Visual Publicity under the Minis­ ters, but I can assure the House that try of Information and Broadcasting, as far as the Russians are concerned at the Kumbha Mela, Hardwar. but they have never done it. They gene­ the venue of this Exhibition was not rally consume most of it in their own Flying Fox Island but the Rori Is­ country. We are very anxious to see land. At the Flying Fox Island, the that diversion to other areas from Director of Field Publicity under this rupee area trade is curtailed as much Ministry, set up a Pavilion at which as possible. film shows, dramatic performances and other programmes connected with plan publicity were presented. Shri Daji: What approximately shall be the total value of this trade agree­ ment? Is price fixation done through (b) The total expenditure incurred the Government or directly through on the two items is not yet known but the private trade? the estimated expenditure was Rs. 38,200]-for the Plan Publicity Exhibi­ tion and Rs. 16,0001-for the Pavilion Shri Manubhai Shah: That would and the performances. be asking the same question in a diffe­ rent manner. I would not like to dis­ close either the price or the quantity. Shri Basappa: May I know how But the price is very reasonable and many people have taken advantage of is somewhat better than in the past. this Exhibition and whether it is pro­ posed to have this kind of exhibition Shri Daji: Sir, I seek your protec­ in important melas and yatra areas? tion. My question specifically was whether the price is fixed directly with Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: About 1,10,000 the traders or through the Govern­ people have taken advantage of the ment. Exhibition.

Shri Manubhai Shah: It is done Shri Basappa: And about having it directly with the traders as far as the at other places? private trade is concerned. As far as the State Trading Corporation is con­ Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: Wherever there cerned, it is done through the STC. is an important festival, certainly we wilL Plan Publicity Exhibition Shri Ansar Harvani: May I know *141. Shri Basappa: Will the Minis­ whether the Ministry of Information ter of Information and Broadcasting and Broadcasting gave any help to the be pleased to state: Bharat Sadhu Samaj also who wet# U> Hardwar during the Kumbh Mela? (a) Whether Government organised a Plan Publicity Exhibition in Flying Dr. B . Gopala M f i : W e hsvfc Fox bland for the pilgrims visiting information. ( O w l 4 tt*tMv* VAISAKHA 4, 1884 {S A X A ) Oral Answert 640

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Shri Hath): So far as the opening «rcr «rtr Thrmr »»*t w * «m and closing hours are concerned some *nft ( «ft ) : (^) fa^fr have suggested nine to seven, nine to eight, ten to eight, ten to seven. fFR *rk f{>^r*r *Fpr, U *-* % Various timings have been suggested. *W*T f^ff WRR Tt - Shri P. C. Borooah: May I know t» y=r ^ ^ y oarwf srer ff | 1 whether similar timings will be en­ forced on the small restaurants and (*ar) ststtcr 3r soft w ^ caterers also? 4>wn ^ f w t 1 Shri Hathi: This applies to those ' I shall also read the answer in shops and establishments to which the English. Act applies.

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The Minister of International Trade Shri P. Kunhan: May I know whe-· In the Ministry of Commerce and ther the attention of the Government. Industry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) has been drawn to the statement by and (b): A statement is laid on the Mr. M. S. A. Majide, Member, All T~ble of the House. India Handloom Board that the indus- try is in a crisis due to the prevailing. STATEMENT high price of cotton yarn? .

No reports of any serious crasis in Shr Manubhai-Shah: I have not seen the Handloom industry have been re- the statement 'Of the gentleman re- ceived by Government. -When a ferred to. But, I have been com- voluntary system of price control on plaints about some rise in prices of cloth was announced by the Indian certain kinds of yarn. We have gone Cotton Milds Federation effective from into the matter. Most of the prices 1st January, 1961,the Southern India charged by the Southern Millowners' Mill-owners' Association also worked association conform to the prices- out a schedule of yarn prices at which agreed to. In a few cases where the yarn was to be delivered to consu- prices have risen, it is engaging our mers including handloom weavers. By attention. and large the voluntary· control has Shri P. Kunhan: May'I know whe-- been working fairly satisfactorily. ther the Government have made any The various problems affecting investigation into the reason for the' cotton textiles (including cotton yarn) higher prices of yarn? and prdces have already been referred Shri Manubhai' Shah: That is ex- to the Tariff Commissison for a ful1 actly what I have said. The same- enquiry. The report of the· Tariff type Of complaint has been received Commission is awaited. Pending the from other quarters and we are exa-· report of the CommissionGovernment mining it. are keeping under constant review the current system of voluntary price Shri Umanath: May I know if" control. 11 prices higher than those fixed by the· Millowners association are daily ·pub-· Handloom Cooperative Societies licised in the newspapers by mem- bers of the very same association? U' ·144. Shri Kunhan: so, how does the Minister say that. voluntary ,price controt is working Will the Minister of Commerce and satisfactorily? Industry be pleased to state the alloca- tion made by the Handloom Board ill Mr. Speaker: This is an argument.. order to encourage handloom co-ope- rative societies during Third Five Shri Manubhai Shah: The prices- Year Plan period? published are for some quantities of packets and not .for bulk supply.. The Minister Of International Trade What we are verifying is actually the- in the Ministry of Commerce and price paid by most of the co-opera- Industry (Shri Manubhai Shah): A tive ¥ocieties which are already on: sum of Rs. 34 crores, exclusive of our register. A large amount of as- working capital loans financed by sistance flows to them. By checking institutional agencies like the Reserve them up we feel that on the whole Bank of India, has been tentatively price control of a voluntary nature is allocated for the development of the working satisfactorily. Handloom Industry during the 3rd Five Year Plan. Major portion of this Shri. Nambiar: May I know whether allocation will be spent in the eo-ope- the Government took an interest to' rative sector of the handloom industry study the situation in the handlcom- as central assistance is confined to fue industry vis a vis production of tex~- co-operative fold only. tile yarn and see that weight is given, <645 O ral Answers APRIL 24, 1982 Oral imwM 649

o>n the side of the handloom so that steps Government are going to take they are saved from this crisis? to make yam available at reasonable prices? Shri Manubhai Shah: This has been a subject of study by the Government. Shri Manubhai Shah: As far as the As the House knows, in the Third genera] position of yarn is concerned, Five Year Plan, major expansions of we make no distinction between the the requirements of cloth in the coun­ handlooms outside the co-operative try have been allocated to the hand­ field, and those which are covered by loom. Three million more spindles the co-operative fold. But, as the are being licensed. Already, most of Houss is aware, the national policy is the licences have been issued for in­ to encourage the co-operative sector. creasing yarn production. The House will be glad to know that about 60 per cent of the working >5ft S f : handloom weavers have been covered by the co-operative*.

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trwr SRft iff v? I *Jf% WTt Sf Shri 8. ML Banerjee: May I know whether the whereabouts of this par­ iff £*r *rt* t$ | : ticular boy, namely Mr. Das, axe known to the Government of India, Kidnapping of 1 Nenber of the Na­ and whether he is safe in the Pakis­ tional volutccr force in West Bengal tani pustoday? b j Pakistanis Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: He is in + Pakistani custody. We have tried our *1*8. f 8hrl p- c - Borooeh: best, by all possible means, to find out \ Shri S. M. Banerjee: the conditions under which he lives, but we have not received a reply from Will the Prime Minister be pleased the Pakistan Government. to state: An Hon. Member: Is he alive? , (a) whether a reply has since been received from the East Pakistan Gov­ Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: He is ernment to the West Bengal Govern­ alive. ment’s protest on the kidnapping of a We were told that we would g et the member of the National Volunteer information yesterday, but we have Force of West Bengal from the Indian failed to get that information. territory on the 35th March, 1962; Shri Vidya Charan Shnkla: May I (b) if so, what is their reply; and know what those ‘all possible means’ art-, which Government have tried in (c) whether the release of the per­ order to secure the release of our na­ son kidnapped has been secured? tional from Pakistani custody? The Minister of State in the Minis­ Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: We took try of External Affairs (Shrimati up the matter immediately after he Lakshmi Menon): (a) No, Sir. was taken away, with the local authorities, that is, our counter­ (b) Does not arise. parts in the Pakistan police. The (c) No, Sir. West Bengal Government has also lodged a protest, and our Deputy High Shri P. C. Borooah: May I know Commissioner in Dacca has himself whether the Central Government took approached the East Pakistan Govern­ up the matter with the Pakistan Gov­ ment to give us information about the ernment, and if so, with what result? condition o f the young man. Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: No. The Shri Nath Pai: It seems that our West Bengal Government has taken it Pakistani neighbours are making quite up with the Pakistan Government. a habit of kidnapping Indian person­ nel on legitimate duty. Some time Shri P. C, Borooah: Since the kid­ back, Col. Bhattacharya was kidnap­ napping of Indian personnel bv the ped. Had we taken any vigorous steps Pakistanis is on the increase, may I at that time perhaps to secure his know what steps have been taken by release, then this kind of kidnapping Government or are proposed to be would have been stopped. May I taken to put a stop to this, and since know where we stand with regard to our protests have failed, whether Col. Bhattacharya’s release? Government propose to take the ad­ vice or the good offices of some in­ Mr. Speakr: That is a different thing ternational body in this matter? altogether. Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: The usual Shri Nath Pai: It is a kidnapping procedure is followed, and I do not see case by Pakistan. any reason why we should take the Shri Hari Vlyhnu Kamath: Even good offices °f somebody, whom the after the Col. Bhattacharya incident, hon. Mamber does not mention. huve not Government been able to 196( A i )L S D — 2. & 49 Oral A n tw tft APRIL U, 1 M O w l- <£59;

ti^iien up the security arrangements country that this liberal approach is and patrolling activity on the border, interpreted in this manner----- bo as to prevent the recurrence of V Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member such incidents at all? might hold that view. I was oo3y The Prime Minister u d Minister of saying that we could not ask whether External Affairs and Minister ofA to- that is the opinion or impression of mic Energy (Shri Jawaharlal Nehru): the Pakistan authorities. What am I to reply to? These are general questions about security mea­ Shri s . M. Banerjee: I want to know sures in the border. whether any financial aid has been given to the family members of Shri Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member Das or whether any legal assistance wants to know whether any special will b% given in case he is tried under measures have been adopted so thait military law. this kind of incident may not recur. Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: He join­ Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: The secu­ ed the volunteer force the day before rity measures should be good, but I he was taken away. do not suppose that it is possible to Shri S. M. Banerjee: If he is not a have every yard of this frontier guard, ed so that nobody can cross. The senior member of the force, will be usual charge made is that the border not be given this assistance? Then nobody will join the force. hay been crossed; it may be right or it may be false. There are two sides Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: We do to this. We say the man had been not know whether any financial assis­ captured in our territory; they say he tance has been given. crossed over. Shri Hari Vishnu Kainath: Mas the As for Col. Bhattacharya, it is en­ border not been formally and Anally tirely a different question. But I demarcated so far, because there is a might say that he was tried and sen­ dispute every time? tenced, as the House knows, to a long term. He is putting in an appeal of Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Most of it some kind. I do not know what kind has been demarcated; small parts of appeal is taking place under a have not been. But even when it is martial regime. I understand he has demarcated, the question arises as to just signed it and it is going to be where a person is when he is abduc­ forwarded to the authorities there. ted or caught. Opinions differ, evi­ dence is taken—ten yards on this side or a few yards on the other. Shri Hem Barua: May I know whe­ ther it is a fact that our liberal ap­ Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: May proach to this recurring problem is I know how far within our territory interpreted as a sign of weakness on this particular National Volunteer our part in Pakistan and that is why Force member was caught, and whe­ these incidents, instead of registering ther when they are doing patrol duties, a decline, have always registered an they do them alone or in batches? increase? Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: He was Mr. Speaker: Even the opinion of taken away when he was 50 yards Government should not be asked now, inside our territory, according to our but now the opinion of the Pakistan information. Government is being asked for as to Shri Tyagi: Was he all alone or in whether they consider it as a sign of a band? weakness on our part. Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: We do Shri Hem Barua: May I submit that not know whether he was moving there is an impression even in this alone. .0 g i' &vei Artttomr* VAI&AKHA 4, 1864 < SAKA) Oral Anvwera 652

Raid by rikWndi 1 The prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Ato­ *146. Shri Uladhar Kotoki: Will mic Enimy (Shri Jawaharial the W m * Minister be pleased to Nehru): Normally in the border, the state: Army is kept in the background. It (a) whether some Pakistani na­ is called when necessary. It does tionals from Tetulia in East Pakistan not do normal patrol duties, to pre­ trespassed into the Indian territory vent cattle-lifting and such like under Rajoungle Police Station on things. the 3rd April, 1962 and seriously as­ saulted two Indian citizens; • It is not supposed to be the duty of the army. The army is available if (b) whether during the last lew any serious incident takes place. months the Indian territory in the Indo-Pak border of Jalpaiguri district mwt has been subjected to frequent tres­ ; ^ * P passes by Pakistani miscreants steal­ ing cattle and other properties; and Shri Daji: Will the Government (c) what steps Government propose consider giving compensation in all to take to prevent such incidents? such cases where cattle is lifted or The Minister of State in the Min­ a man is kidnapped to the family of istry of External Affairs (Shrimati the man concerned or the person Lakshmi Menon): (a) Yes Sir. An whose cattle has been lifted as a incident occurred under Rajganj moral duty? Police Station on the 3rd April, 1962, Shri Jawaharial Nehru: Would that involving assault on Indian nationals apply to any theft or dacoity or any­ by Pakistani intruders. thing in India? (b) Some incidents of cattle lifting and other cases of theft have been Shri Friya Gupta: It cannot be com­ reported in recent months from the pared to dacoity. eastern border, including the West Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Kvery- BengaljEast Pakistan border of Jal­ body should not try to speak. Shri­ paiguri district. mati Benu Chakravartty.. (c) Such incidents are dealt with Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: In by the border police and district offi­ view of the fact that some very ser­ cials in terms of the Ground Rules. ious events have taken place on the Shri Liladhar Kotoki: May I know eastern border between East Pakistan whether any' of the cattle or property and West Bengal and in view of the stolen by the Pakistani nationals fact that even in demarcation our during this incident have since been nationals, their materials and maps recovered? etc., are being taken away, I would like to know whether there has been Shrimati I^akshmi Menon: In this an enquiry by the Central Govern­ particular incident, no cattle was ment as to the exact nature of these taken away, although they tried to. incidents and as to the way in which 8hri Hem Barua: I know that it is vve can further help in stopping these difficult to defend the entire long intrusions which have led to very border. But then there are certain serious results in certain other cases. vulnerable points in the border. Do Shri Jawaharial Nehru: If the hon. Government propose to hand over Member refers to a general enquiry these vulnerable points in the Indo- into the nature, I do not think any Pakistan border to the Army instead such enquiry has been made, but oach of leaving them to the local police— incident is enquired into. I do not security forces—so as to avoid inci­ know if there is a common factor in dents of this sort. all these incidents to join them toge- 653 Oral Antxaerg APRIL 24, 2963 Oral A nsw er* 654

ther. One must distinguish between that perhaps might be given by his two types of incidents: one, which statement and not by what the Prime might be considered to be very objec­ Minister has said. Next question. tionable, are incidents of a political kind, or in which some kind of assis­ vynrv fag : tance or encouragement is given poli­ tically; the other type is just pure t o fm n : * v fimr theft, dacoity, cattle-lifting etc., which *frr?^r fo rt | 1 # f^rr srnr 1 takes place within the country, too, but only does not draw our atten­ Mr. Speaker: I have already said tion because it is an internal matter. that I will go by the list, in the order But it is always much easier to do it in which they are printed. I would on an international border where not take any question out of its place. people can come and go away. They are not serious in a political sense, Shri S. M. Banerjee: I want to sub­ but naturally where they occur, they mit this about the question regard­ do harm and injury to the people ing the death of the D.I.G. Police. It concerned. is a very important question and some Shri Hem Barua: On a point of Members have given calling attention notices. order, Sir.

Mr. Speaker: Point of order? Mr. Speaker: I have allowed so many questions. Shri Hem Barua: Yes. The hon. Shri S, M. Banerjee: Sir, I am re­ Prime Minister has said that cases of ferring to question No. 158, to which cattle-lifting and such incidents occur Shri Raghunath Singh referred. It is in our country also. My own humble very important and there are some submission is this, that when he says Members who have given calling like that, that might be an en­ attention notices. couragement to the Pakitanis living on the border to commit more such Mr. Speaker: It may be very im­ things. portant; but others also are impor­ tant. Once we have decided that we Shri Tyagi: What is the point of will go by the order in which they order? are printed, no question of out of turn Shri Hem Barua: I will come to arises. Next question. that. Survey Igy Tea Board Mr. Speaker: That should be left to me when I have to answer it, when + he is putting it to me. f Shri Bishan Chandra Setb: *147-\ S h ri P. C. Borooah: Shri Hem Barua: That might be an Indirect encouragement to Pakistanis Will the Minister of Commerce and living near our border. In matters Industry be pleased to state: of this kind I find always that the Prime Minister behaves lika an um­ (a) whether it is a fact that the pire in a cricket match rather than Tea Board has conducted a survey of as one whose interests are involved. tea consumed by the people; Mr. Speaker: 1 am really sorry. (b) if so, whether the statistical There is no point of order involved. data has been forwarded to Govern­ Shri Hem Barua: I have not finish­ ment; ed. (c) whether the survey has been Mb’. Speaker: Order, order. If any conducted throughout the country; encouragement is to be apprehended, and 655 <>mi Anauxrrt VAISAKHA 4, 1884 (SAKA) Oral A-toiOert 656

(d) if so, the names of the States Sh o r t N o t i c e Q u e s t i o n a n d A m s w z b where survey has so far been com­ pleted? 12 hrs. Shortage of Cotton The Minister of International Trade + in the Ministry of Commerce and In­ Shri ft. G. Dubey: dustry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) to Shri Harish Chandra (d). To enable a correct assessment ol Mathur: the pattern of tea consumption in the S.N.Q. shri Shree Narayan Das: country, the Tea Board have as a 2. J Shri P. C. Borooah: regular feature conducted Random Shri D. C. Sharma: Sample Surveys in selected towns in Shri Rameshwar Tantia: different parts of the country except Shri Daji: Jammu and Kashmir and the Central­ Shri S. M. Banerjee: ly administered areas of Tripura, Himachal Pradesh, Manipur and Will the Minister of Commerce and Andamans & Nicobar Islands. A simi­ Industry be pleased to state: lar survey has been launched in D.'lhi very recently. Government is inform­ (a) whether India is facing shortage ed about the data collected during of cotton as reported in the Press; each survey. The annual compilation (b) if so, what are our annual re­ of the Board “Tea Surveys” contains quirements so far as the textile mills this data and the conclusions in res­ are concerned and how big is the pect of the different town surveyed shortage; and during each year. (c) what steps Government propose to take to meet the crisis? : ?T>R *pf ft The Minister at International Trade 3Tpt % 3T? *Tf TTT snST f a ^T in the Ministry ot Commerce and n s m f t } % ?rx facnft Industry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) to (c). Requirements of cotton for con* €X Tfart | sumption in the mills during the cur­ f a f *T

o f the shortfall in the production of Shri Hariafa Chandra Matter: in cotton. 1959-60 also w e were faced w itjra shortage of cotton and we were faced Start Manubhai Shah: In answer to with increased prices of cloth. Again the first part of the question I may now we are faced with the same say that they met me and discussed at situation. May I know whether the length. We assured them that every Ministry of Commerce and Industry sympathetic consideration would be have discussed this matter with the given to the suggestions. But, re­ Ministry of Agriculture and come to garding the second part, it is not any conclusion in this question? correct. This country has experienced the largest crop when the ceiling Shri Manubhai Shah: As the House prices were the same. is aware, in the Third Plan the tar­ gets for internal production of cotton Shri R. G. Dubey: May I know had been stepped up to 72 lakhs of what are the exact arrangements for bales and if necessary it will be the lime being? stepped up further. But the demand Shri Manubhai Shah: We expected jn the country both for internal con­ at that time considerable quantities sumption and also export promotion under the P. L. 480 arrangements. is rising faster. For sometime perhaps And, I can assure the House and t’hr we will have to import some varieties country in general and the industry of cotton and also manufacture syn­ that Government is fully aware of the thetic fibres and yarn. necessity of meeting the entire re­ Shri Shree Narayan Das; May I quirements of cotton, not only of keep­ know whether besides taking these ing up production but also of stepping short-term measures, any long term up exports. measures are proposed to meet these shortages? Shri P. R. Patel: May I know whe­ ther the prevailing prices of cotton Shri Manubhai Shah: That is pre­ do not give an incentive to the culti­ cisely what I mentioned: stock piling vators and so they are switching over and buffer stock system, so that this to other crops such as groundnuts very important industry as also the which pay them more? jute industry are put on even keel on a long term basis. Shri Manubhai Shah: I would not anticipate the government decision. We Shri P. C. Borooah: May I kaow have assured them that before the whether it is a fact that the textile new crop comes we shall announce industry of India is mainly dependent the government policy in that respect on the imported cotton for the produc­ very soon. The inference of the hon. tion of quality clothes and If so what Member is wholly unwarranted. steps have the Government taken to improve the quality of cotton itself? Shri Ramanathan Chettiar: Are we going to import more cotton this year Shri Manubhai Shah: The import­ from foreign countries? If so, what ed variety includes staple of more will be the quantity? than 1.25 inches but lower staples are also imported. It is our attempt in Stiri Manubhai Shah: We are going both directions. Our soil being' more to import more cotton this year from suited to the lower staple, the con­ all the available sources, including centration is on varieties less than the P.L. 460. The shortfall has to be one inch but some quantities of met. Not only that. We are working higher varieties over one inch staple on the theory of stock-piling and are also being promoted. creating buffer stocks so that this very important industry has a steady Shri D. C. Sharma: We are going and uniform development both for to import cotton from different coun­ internal consumption and for export tries on different basis; from some oa for a period of a decade barter basis and from tome on foreign. 659 Written Anno«r< VAJSAKHA 4, 1884 (SAKA) Written Anrtvere 660

exch ange basis. How is the price (b) what was the cost involved on lira for the cotton going to be main­ the scheme during the year; tained in this country? (c) what provision is proposed to Shri Mannblul Shah: Hon. Mem­ be made for these schemes during the bers are aware that there is a link ensuing year; and between the scheme of export pro­ (d) what are the more important motion and the ' import of certain inventions in respect of which studies varieties which do not directly con­ are at present going on? tribute to export promotion. There­ fore, the prices are interlinked at The Minister of International Trade that leveL in the Ministry of Commerce and In­ Shri Iqbal Singh: At what price dustry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) to are we purchasing from foreign mar­ (d). A statement is laid on the Table of the House. kets and how do those prices com­ pare with the Indian prices? S t a t e m e n t Shri Manubhai Shah: 1 will not be (a) and (d). A brochure giving able to take up contractwise; neither details of the Inventions that were is it desirable to do so. But generally awarded prizes in the year 1961-62 the internal prices today are slightly by the Inventions Promotion Board, higher than the imported prices. has been placed in the Library of Par­ liament. Besides the award of prizes, Shri Daji: Is it a fact that this year’s production is below last year’s the Board gave financial assistance during the same period to persons and the year before and if so has the Government ascertained the cause of working on 72 inventions. At present, low production of Indian cotton and the Board have under consideration what steps are taken to improve the 40 proposals for grant of financial production? assistance in respect of possible in­ ventions. Shri Manubhai Shah: Most of the (b) Rs. 1,45,271. reasons are monsoonic. There were some floods in certain parts of the (c) Rs. 2,00,000. country and in some other parts, there were drought conditions. But Indian Labourers for Bhutan we are not going to rely on nature alone in the long run. We are taking *149. Shri Nath Pai: Will the Prime every step of the economic type such Minister be pleased to state: as stock piling and buffer stocks. Agricultural programmes and mea­ (a) whether it is a fact that the sures are also there to increase in­ Government of Bhutan have request­ ternal production. We are also en­ ed to the India Government for the couraging larger production of syn­ loan of the services of 26,000 un­ thetic fibres and yarn. skilled Indian labourers;

(b) if so, whether Government have WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUES­ considered the demand of the Bhutan TIONS Government; and Inventions Promotion Scheme (c) what would be the terms of contract in this connection? *148. Shrimati Maimoona Sultan: Will the Minister of Commerce and The Minister of State in the Ministry of External Affairs (Shrimati Lakshmi Industry be pleased to state: M enon): (a) No Sir. The Govern­ (a) what important inventions were ment of Bhutan have not requested mads under the Inventions Promo­ the Government of India for the loan tion Scheme, in the year 1961; of any unskilled labourers. 6 6 i Written A n sw ers VAISAKHA 4, 1884 (SAKA) Wrttttn Answert 6tfa

' (b ) and (c). These questions do accepted by the Ministries o f Defenete not arise. and Railways. While Railways have not yet adopted the Code, the Defence Refugees in West Bengal Ctmpc undertakings are considering the *150. Shri Muhammed EHas: Will question in consultation with the con­ the Minister of Works, Housing: and cerned workers’ organisations. Supply be pleased to state: Use of Atomic Energy in Agriculture (a) the total number of refugees Industry and Medicine who are still in different camps of Vest Bengal after the dole has been f Shri Harl Vishnu Kamath: itopped; *152..' Shri S. C. Samanta: { Shri M. L. Dwivedi: (b) whether Government have re­ ceived any suggestion from the Gov­ Will the Prime Minister be pleased ernment of West Bengal for these to state: refugees; and (a) what results, in so far as they (c) if so, the action being taken by are capable of practical application, Government? have flowed from fundamental rese­ arch relating to the use of atomic The Minister of Works, Housing and energy in agriculture, industry and Supply (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): medicine; and (a ) The last five relief camps in West Bengal were closed during Feb­ (b) the names of countries with ruary, 1962 and there are now no whom India is collaborating in the displaced persons in relief camps any­ matter of such research as well as where. that on other uses of atomic energy? (b) and (c). Do not arise. The Minister of State in the Minis­ try of External Affairs (Shrimatl Trade Unions Lakshmi M enon): (a) Research in •151. Shri Nambiar: Will the Min­ the applications of atomic energy to ister of Labour and Employment be agriculture, industry and medicine is pleased to state: undertaken in various countries and considerable progress has been made. (a) whether the procedure followed It would not be possible to recapitu­ in verifying the membership of trade late the results of such research with­ unions to determine the pre-condition in the limits of an answer to a ques­ necessary for recognising them is uni­ tion. Briefly, radioisotopes and radia­ form in factories or establishments tion are used in agriculture for creat­ owned and managed by the various ing desirable new plant mutation Ministries of Government; and strains and effecting crop improve­ (b) if not, what steps have been ment by producing more yield per taken to adopt a uniform procedure in plant, for the control of some insect all Ministries? pests which destroy crops and stored food and for the presei-vation of food The Minister of Labour in the stuff through sterilisation and past­ Ministry of Labour and Employment eurisation. In , medicine, radioistopes (Shri Hathl): (a) The procedure for are used for dfa gnostic purposes and verification of membership of unions also for therapy. Radiation sources is uniform in all Government depart­ find beneficial application in radio­ mental undertakings except those therapy. In industry, radioisotopes under the Ministries of Defence and Railways. and sources of radiation are used as tools of scientific investigation, detec­ (b) The procedure would become tion, measurement and control. Their 'lniform after the Code of Disciplin Is application is virtually limitless. They 66 q W ritten Anav*r» VAISAKKA 4, 1884 (SAKA) Written Anainert 6^4

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*155 / Shri S. M. Banerjee: *iK9 S sbri A- K* OopaUn: ' \ Shri Shree Narayan Das: _ \ Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the Minister of Labour and Will the Minister of Labour and Employment be pleased to state: Employment be pleased to state: (a) whether A.I.T.U.C., H.M.S. and U.T.U.C. have opposed introduction (a) from what date it is proposed of code of efficiency; to enhance the rate of contribution to the Coal Mines Provident Fund (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ Scheme from 6^. to 8-1(3 per cent; and ment; and (b) for which of the industries (c) whether Government have covered by the Employees’ Provident dropped this scheme? Fund Scheme this enhanced rate of contribution will apply? The Minister of Labour in tbe Ministry of Labour an£ Employment The Minister of Labour In the (Shri Hath!): (a) Yes, at the Indian Ministry of Labour and Employment Labour Conference in October, 1961 (Shri Hath!): (a) No date has yet the representative of the AI.T.U.C. been fixed. The proposal under opposed the idea, while the represen­ consideration is to enhance the rate tative of the H.M.S. and U.T.U.C. ap­ from per cent to 8 per cent of the preciated the idea underlying ithe total emoluments Code but felt that the time was not (b) ynder the Employees’ Provi­ yet ripe for introducing the same. dent Fund Act, 1952 the proposal is to enhance the rate of contribution (b) and (c). According to the deci­ from per cent to 8 per cent of sion reached at the Indian Labour basic wages, dearness allowance and Conference the Code is proposed to retaining allowance, if any, and to be discussed in a Tripartite apply this to the following four indus­ Committee. tries. in the first instance:—

V WWTTT (i) Cigarettes; : «FTT (ii) Electrical, mechanical or general engineering products; JRTR qfr f^TT far : (iii) Iron & Steel; and (iv) Paper. 0*0 *nmrq- % snfpr, fjRfor £ fe r # Death of D.I.G. Police in Nagaland *rr **TFff TSC f w f Shri Muhamraed Ellas: I Shri Raghunath Singh: I Shri Birendra Bahadu Singh: (m ) *brr*R & f%?rc- *158. ^ Shri Anjanappa: Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: ««N iP w f «rr w H t *rc•Tift Shri D aji: »o t «tt ? Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the Prime Minister be pleased mwroiftnbrw *nft («rt to state: w w t) : (*) (tr). (a) whether Government have trajrpTcT 5TT X # *ftX ^T5*T enquired into the cause of the fire by which the Deputy Inspector General W iitten Annoers V A IS A X H A 4, 1884 OSAKA) Written Answers 66* ot Police of Madhya Pradesh, Mr. (Shri Hathl): (a) This recommenda­ J$i&£V lud died on. the 6th April, tion was made by the Chief Adviser, 1962; and Factories after a study was carried out by his organisation. (b) if so, the result of the enquiry? (b) It has not been found neces­ The Minister of State In the Minis­ sary so far to reduce the hours of try of External Affairs (Shrimati work. Lakshmi Menon): (a) and (b). A pre­ liminary enquiry conducted by the Nagaland Administration shows that Wage Boards the outbreak of fire in the Madhya *1K1 J Sbri Muhammed Elias: Pradesh Police camp near Wokha in ’ Shri A. S. Salgal: Nagaland which resulted in the death oi Shri I. J. Johar, Deputy Inspector Wiil the Minister of Labour and General of Police, Madhya Pradesh, Employment be pleased to state; was accidental. A detailed judicial (a) how far the work of the Wage enquiry has been ordered. Boards of iron, steel, tea and jute in­ dustries has progressed; and Buildinf for All India Radio in Tiruchchir&palli (b) how long it will take for the "Wage Boards” to complete their *159. Shri Nambiar: Will the Minis­ work? ter of Information and Broadcasting' be pleased to state: The Minister of Labour in the Minis­ (a) whether it is a fact that the try of Labour and Employment (Shri Hathi); (a) The Wage Board for Iron completion of the new building for the All India Radio in Tiruchchira- and Steel Industry has started it palli in Tamilnad is being delayed; work only recently. The Wage Board' for tea and jute industries have al­ (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and ready made recommendations foi grant of interim wage increase and (c) when it will be possible to are now hearing the parties on the open the new building? general question of wages. The Minister of Information and (b) It is not possible to indicate the Broadcasting (Dr. B. Gopala Reddl): time which the Wage Boards may ta) and (b). No, Sir. Construction of take to complete their work. the main building has beon complet­ ed; installation of equipment is in Lockers from West Pakistan progress. 127. Shri D. C. Sharma; Will the (c) By about June 1962. Minister of Works, Housing and Sup­ ply be pleased to state: Working Hoars in Rayon Factories (a) how many lockers were brought *160. Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the from West Pakistan till March, 1962; Minister of Labour and Employment and be pleased to state: (b) how many of them have so far (a) whether the committee appoint­ been given to the lawful owners? ed to go through the working of the The Minister of Works, Housing and rayon factories has recommended Supply (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): five-hour working day; and (a) and (b). 778 lockers and safe deposit articles have so far been trans­ (b) if so, whether this has been ac­ ferred to India. So far delivery ot cepted by Government? 285 articles has been effected against The Minister of Labour in the 404 articles for which applications tor MlatsMry of Labour and Employment restoration have been received* 4 6 9 Written Antuwn A F ft t t 2 4 , IM S Written Anttgers 679

Rural Industrial Ettates in Punjab lage Industries Board was establish­ ed during 1959-60 and a gradt '*1 of 188. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Rs. 29-fiO lakhs was paid .to it by the Minister of Commerce and Industry Khadi and Village Industries Com­ be pleased to state: mission during the Second Five Year Plan period. (a) the number of rural Industrial Estates which were sanctioned to be set up in Punjab during the Third (b) Funds are allocated to the Five Year Plan period; State Boards from year to year on the basis o f past performance and the (b) whether this provision is being proposed programmes during the utilised for setting up small rural in­ year. During the first year of the dustrial estates at Panchayat Samiti First Five Year Plan, a grant of Headquarters; Rs. 20 44 lakhs was given to the Board. (c) whether 'the number o f rural in­ dustrial estates already provided for Khadi in the Third Five Year Plan for Punjab has been increased; and 139. Shri E. M&dhusudan Rao: Will the Minister of Commerce and Indus­ try be pleased to state: (d) if so, to what extent? (a) the total cost of Khadi purchas­ The Minister of International Trade ed during the year 1961-62; and in the Ministry of Commerce and In­ dustry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) 72 (b) the total cost of Khadi that was Rural Industrial Estates were sanc­ sold during the same period? tioned to be set up in Punjab during the Third Five Year Plan period. The Minister of International Trade in the Ministry of Commerce and In­ (b) No preference is given to Pan- dustry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) chayat Samiti Headquarters. and (t>). 1 presume that information is required in respect of the Khadi (c) No, Sir. Gramodyog Bhavan, New Delhi. Khadi worth Rs. 62 lakhs approxi­ (d) Does not arise. mately was purchased by the Bhavan during 1961-62, while Khadi worth Khadi and Village Industries Board Rs. 63 lakhs approximately was sold in Andhra Pradesh during that year.

129. Shri E. Madhusudan Rao: Will Indians killed by Pakistanis the Minister of Commerce and Indus­ try be pleased to state: l$l. Shri Raghunath Singh: Will (a) the total amount of grant given the Prime Minister be pleased to state to .the Khadi and Village Industries how many Indians were killed or in­ Board in Andhra Pradesh during the jured by Pakistani armed gangs, Second Five Year Plan period; and raiders or individuals during the last five years near Western and Eastern (b) the amount of grant to be given border areas of India? during the Third Five Year Plan peariod? The Prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs and Minister of The Minister of International Trade Atomic Energy (Shri Jairaharlal in the Ministry of Commerce and In­ Nehru); The information is being col­ dustry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) lected and will be laid on the Table The Andhra Pradesh Khadi and Vil­ of the House as soon as it is t**tfcr. 671 W ritten Annotrw VAISAKHA 4, 1384 <8AKA) Written Answers 672

Woman killed by Pakistanis to pertaining to those officers directly Jammu and Kashmir recruited by the organisations them­ selves whose basic salary is Rs. 500 ]|e / Shri Baghunath Singh: or over are also being collected; the Shri Ramesbwar Tantia: Ministry have not recruited any ‘offi­ Will the Prime Minister be pleased cers’ for Government Undertakings. to state whether it is a fact that a woman was killed by a gang of armed (b) and (c). No such assessment Pakistanis in a village on the Chamba has so far been made by Government; border, 40 miles from Jammu in the but the individual enterprises will last week of March, 1962? have this matter under consideration*

The Prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs and Minister of Atomic Energy (Shri Jawaharlal Nehru): Yes, Sir. On March 30 at 0300 hours, a woman, 25 years old, is reported to have been w-ounded with - r fawfn fa* : an axe in village Barsala, six miles TtpTTO : south of Akhnur. After First Aid rendered to her she was evacuated to w r smw jt? snrrt ftt Civil Hospital, Chhamb, where she succumbed to the injuries. (^r) jfirr strfr | iV %

133. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: Will the Minister of Commerce and % ; Industry be pleased to state: (a) the number of the officers en­ (*r) frt, ?fr ^ t o ^ gaged at present in the Public Sector HW W rfT *1 i + i l "Ft * f t ; enterprises drawn from (i) Business s fk Management Pool, (ii) Central Gov­ ernment, (iii) State Governments and (iv) directly recruited by the Minis­ (n) szfhr try and the organisation itself; (b) the assessed requirement for m m m r the next 4 years and how it is pro­ awr x y («ft amfTHm posed to be met; and (*)%(?). fkrrz- (c) whether a detailed statement will be laid on the Table? 3ft ftrr «tt, % The Minister of International Trade f?rrr r w x it « r f r c £ in the Ministry of Commerce and In­ srTrt'r tk r w stcft dustry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) 130 officers of the Industrial Management gF^Eft % it fsr^TT i *ft% fcreft Pool have so far been seconded to the various public sector enterprises under the control of the Ministries/ i m I : Departments participating in the pooL Information regarding Central Gov­ ( ? ) *nrr (ipff, f&rtt ernment and State Government offi­ %ftr s t ^ t % ftp?)— cer* engaged in Government under­ takings is being collected. The data JTfiro ^ 0,000 673 W ritten Antwtn APRIL 24, 1962 Written Atuntt m

( r ) «rs#nx «*fr w x X - Atamtntam Hants In Madhya Vnribik ^ o a JT»T 136. Shrimati Malmoona Saltan: Will the Minister of Commerce and ( ? ) — ? o o 1st Industry be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have of late granted licences for the establish­ am fasfr VRnffTT (jU^ooo s© ment of aluminium plants in Madhya Pradesh since the question of utilisa­ T O T «ntrjft, *tt »r?r tion of bauxite deposits in that State snftror ^ i «iii{1 ^£.,000 was raised in Lok Sabha in the August session last year; vF^sff sir^n ^ sr# Pfit ftrnfTi ^vi?r ^ r m r «pt gr? ir (b) if so, to which firm/corporation; *n*r«JW

(d) the amount that still remains The proposal received from a pri- to be paid; and vato firm for establishment of an alu­ minium smelter in Madhya Pradesh (e) steps .taken by Government? has been rejected as there is no scope for more than one smelter in the The Minister of Labour in the Minis­ State. try of Labour and Employment (Shri H athi): (a) The majority of the em ­ Financial Assistance to Institutions ployers have paid the arrears of pro­ Etc. for Displaced Persons vident fund.

(b) Rs. 16,55,838-04 nP. 137. Shri Basappa: Will the Minis­ ter of Works, Housing and Supply be pleased to state the amount of finan­ (c) Rs. 9,82,369 04 nP. (up to 28-2- cial assistance given by Government 1962). to Educational, Medical and Cultural Institutions catering to the needs of (d) Rs. 6,73,469-00 nP. the displaced persons during 1981-62?

(e) Recovery proceedings have The Minister of Works, Houstogand been initiated against each of the de­ Supply (Shri Mehr Chand Khanaal: faulting employers. Rs. 66'12 lakhs. 675 W ritten Amuien VAISAKHA 4, 1484 (.8AKA) Statements re: 676 (i) Proposed Resumption of Nuclear Testa by U.SA..; and (ii) Airmen Captured by Naga Hostiles Programme in Urdu ber of licences issued for new indus­ 1X8. Shri Mohain: Will the Minister trial projects under the Industries of Information and Broadcasting be (Development and Regulation) Act pleased to state: was 1474. (a) the time allotted for Urdu pro­ (b) and (c). Out of the aforesaid grammes in All India Radio stations 1474 licences, 80 licenses were revok­ at Dharwar and Bangalore; ed, as the parties failed to take “effective steps” or implement the (b) whether it is a fact that a vast licenses. portion of Mysore State population is Urdu-knowing; and Firms blacklisted (c) if so, the reasons for not arrang­ 140. Shri Morarka: Will the Minis­ ing adequate programmes in Urdu? ter of Commerce and Industry be pleased to stete: The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Dr. B. GropaJa Reddl): (a) the number of firms which have (a) Urdu programmes are broadcast been blacklisted during the last 10 ■three times a week for a duration of years; 35 minutes from the Bangalore Sta­ (b) the reasons for the same; tion. Urdu programmes are not (c) whether any representation is broadcast from Dharwar Station. made by any one of them against (b) So far as Government is aware, Government’s decision; and only a small portion of Mysore State’s (d) if so, action taken thereon? population is Urdu-knowing. The Minister of International Trade fc) The Urdu programme? at pre­ sent broadcast from Bangalore Station in the Ministry of Commerce and In­ dustry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) are consiHered to be sufficient. 358 (from 1-1-1952 to 31-12-1961). Licences for New Industrial Projects (b) For contravention of the provi­ 139. Shri Anjanappa: Will the Minis­ sions of the Imports and Exports ter of Commerce and Industry be (Control) Act, 1947 and the orders pleased to state: framed thereunder. (a) whether it is a fact that Gov­ (c) Yes, Sir. ernment have issued many licences (d) Such representations are con­ for new Industrial Projects during sidered carefully and the original recent years; decision to black-list the firm is (b) if so, whether it is a fact that modified, where necessary. such licencees have failed to take “effective steps” for execution of such 12.09 hrs. > new projects; and STATEMENTS RE: (c) the action so far taken or pro­ (i) PROPOSED RESUMPTION OF posed to bp taken by Government on NUCLEAR TESTS BY U.S.A.; such licences? and The Minister of International Trade ( 11) AIRMEN CAPTURED BY in the Ministry of Commerce and In­ NAGA HOSTILES dustry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) The Prime Minister and Minister of The hon. Member has not indicated External Affairs and Minister of Ato­ the period in respect of which he mic Energy (Shri Jawaharlal Nchrn): would like to have the information Sir, I have received notice from the However, it may be mentioned that Lok Sabha Secretariat—calling atten­ during the last three years the num- tion notice— to make a statement 677 Statement* re: APRIL 24, IMS (i) Proposed Resumption 678 of Nuclear Teste b y U.S-A., and (it ) Airmen Captured by Naga HostiZes /S h ri Jawaharlal Nehru] about the situation arising out of re­ said that every test has some harm sumption of nuclear tests by the Unit­ following it. Hon. Members put ques­ ed States of America and India com­ tions as to the amount of fall-out and ing under the fall-out pattern of these the radio-activity increasing. But pos­ nuclear tests. I was asked to make a sibly the radio-activity does not in­ statement on this tomorrow. As I crease as much as the X-ray photo­ may not be here tomorrow I seek graphs taken show. But the point your permission to say something is, it is increasing gradually by all briefly in regard to these matters. these tests and the time may co’r<« when it reaches a rather dangerous First of all, if these unfortunate level, but a much more important tests take place, there is likelihood point is this: that these tests m »y lead always of the fall-out going in any to a progressive deterioration in the direction. It depends on the prevail­ atmosphere and a possibility of actual ing winds; if there are large scale conflict, actual war. That is why the te9ts the likelihood is all the greater. disarmament conference is meeting in But apart from that it is a matter of Geneva and these tests lessen the great concern to us that any such chances of agreement and increase The tests should take place. Unfortunate­ chances of failure of the disarmament ly, last year, the prevailing—not a ban, conference. Therefore, it is a matter but—agreement that tests should not of great importance and I am sure take place was ended by the Soviet every Member of this House, and Union starting a series of tests and Parliament, will desire that these since then there have been same other tests should not be conducted at least tests by other countries. This almost when this conference in Geneva is mutual rivalry in having tests is, I meeting. That is the very least that submit, most unfortunate, more espe­ can be said. Personally I would say cially when in Geneva a conference is that they should not be conducted. taking place to consider this whole Why are they conducted? Presumab­ question of disarmament, and parti­ ly for military reasons; presumably cularly and separately the question because each party thinks that by of tests. While the conference is be­ thes? tests it will discover some more ing carried on, when these matters powerful weapons and some more are being discussed, if any tests are powerful way of using the weapons held, surely it will have a very bad that they have. It may be a military effect on the conference and make justification. But I would submit with any agreement exceedingly unlikely all humility that there are other fac­ at least in the near future. tors which are even more important In fact, some of the unaligned coun­ than these military justifications. I tries represented in the Geneva Con­ am no military expert; I cannot say ference have put forward-some pro­ anything, more especially about the posals for the consideration of the nu­ nuclear tests, but it seems to me com­ clear powers and the nuclear powers mon sense that if this rivalry conti­ have agreed to consider them. There nues, both parties may get more and is some gain. At least they have not more adequate weapons to destroy not rejected them outright. I would have only the other party but themselves imagined that as they are considering in the process and the world in that these matters any test taken before process. It does not lead to any satis­ chis consideration is completed would factory result. surely come in the way of that consi­ deration. I am not referring to the far-reach­ I think I may say on behalf of tbl* ing consequences of these tests. It is House that we are greatly concerned <$79 Statements re: VAiSAKHA 4, 1884 (SAKA) (i) Proposed Resump- 68o tion Nuclear Tests by U.S.A., and (ii) Airmen Captured by Naga Hostiles about the prospect of the resumption not go—will succeed in their endea­ o f these tests, because there can be vour. They have, evidently, tried, to no doubt that if the United States help us by dealing with me Nagas resumes them, undoubtedly the Soviet who go there from our territory, and Union will do the same. It is not a we hope they will succeed in their question of one party being more to endeavour. blame than the other. I am not here Shri Nath Pai (Hajapur)- Sir, may to blame, but to beg and to appeal to 1 ask a question on the statement? the nuclear powers to refrain from Earlier you were pleased to rule that having these tests, giving full chance you would all; iv . ie or two questions to the Geneva conference to come to arising out of n an agreement. Mr. Speaker: Any one of >ou may Mr. Spe&ker: In connection with put one or two questions. the subject matter of the other state­ Shri Nath Pai: My questions are on ment, would the hon. Prime Minister the statement about tests. Sir, one Ukv to refer to Shri Hem Barua’s would readily agree with the state­ letter? f j ment made that he expressed concern Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Shri Hem for the whole House and not only the Barua has sent a letter. party of the Government which he heads today. May I ask whether that Shri Hem Barua (Gauhati): May I concern was conveyed to the United ■explain before the Prime Minister States Government, because their replies to it? determination to resume tests was Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Surely, he made clear by President Kennedy ha> written a letter in explanation of who said that “ unless an agreement is it. Docs he want to explain his letter reached with the Soviet Union by the now’ Well, Shri Hem Barua has Said end of this month we would” . May that there are some discrepancies in I also know whether he has received 1he statements made by my collea­ a communication from Earl Russell gue, the Defence Minister, in regard expressing perhaps the anxiety of the 1o our airmen who have been in cap­ large part of mankind suggesting that tivity there. Well, the slight discre­ some ships be sent: if so, what is his pancy is due to additional information reaction? having come. Even today I cannot Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: We have give any definite information except expressed our views in regard to tests to say that the Burmese Government so many times and on various occa­ or the Burmese forces have come to sions in the United Nations, in the Dis­ some conflict with the Naga hostiles armament Conference and elsewhere. in Burmese territory and have, we But it is true that we have not sent are told, partly surrounded a group. a formal communication to the State It is possible—I do not know definite­ Department on the subject because we ly—that our airmen who have been thought our views were well-known kept by the Nagas are in that group and are b?ing repeated. If I say ly—that our airmen who have been something here in this House, that is surrounded by Burmese forces. It is official enough and I have no doubt very difficult for me to give any more it will reach President Kennedy and accurate information except that we the State Department. I cannot say hope that the Burmese forces— we what they will decide, but they will cannot go into Burma, we have to pay heed to what our Parliament stop on our border, we can only go says. with the permission of the Burmese As for the second part of the ques­ authorities and the Burmese authori­ tion. about my receiving some mes­ ties do not naturally like very much sage from Earl Russell, I have receiv­ other forces coming in and so we do ed a message from him suggesting '198 (Ai) LSD—8. 6 8 l Statements re: (i) Proposed APRIL 24, 1962 Calling Attention to 682 Resumption of Nuclear Matter of Uurgent Public Tests by U S.A., and Importance

Shri Hem Barua: The Defence Min­ D isturbances i n B o r d e r A r e a s o f ister told us yesterday: M a i .d a h D i s t r i c t . .we received a signal from Shrimati Renu Chakravartty (Bar- the Military Attache in Rangoon rackpore): Under Rule 197, I beg to- which informed us that our Em­ call the attention of the Minister of bassy had received an unconfirm­ Home Affairs to th-e following matter of ed report that these Naga hostile? urgent public importance and I request have released our IAF officers in that he may make a statement there­ Burmese territory . . on:— During the question hour in the Rajya “The continuing disturbances in Sabha the Minister of External Affairs, the border areas of Maldah dis­ Shrimati Lakshmi Menon, stated: trict in West Bengal”.

“The airmen are, however, still The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri in the custody of the Naga Lai Bahadur Shastri): This matter hostiles.” concerns the West Bengal Govern­ ment. We have asked for a full Mr. Speaker: The first objection is report from them which we expect to that he cannot refer to anything that receive in a day or two. The infor­ happened in the Rajya Sabha during mation that I have in my possession the current session. is that the incidents took place in 683 Calling Attention VAISAKHA 4, 1884 (SAKA) Re: Simultaneous 684 to matter 0} Translation of Urgent Public Proceedings Importance Maldah district in West Bengal for to Santhal Tribe and in this particular the first time during the Holi festival ease the question of national integ­ and on the Holiday becaus • of the ration is involved. sprinkling of coloured water The Shri Sarkar Murrain (Balurghat) situation was brought under control and nothing happened for about two then asked a questum in Bengali 01 three weeks. Afterwards, then- Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: The was some further trouble on the 16th English translation of my non. friend's of April and there were attacks on both question is. the communities, by both sides. The West Bengal Government took ne­ “ The continuance of communal cessary action and a large number of disturbances and lack of police arrests were made (about 76 or so) vigilance has led to a feeling of in­ and the situation is, as far as we security among all sections of the know, now under control. TKe Police people in the area. Will the Gov­ Minister of West Bengal visited Mal­ ernment of India pay attention to dah and has issued a statement saying this and send help to the provin­ that the situation there is now nor­ cial Government to end this feel­ mal. The one allegation made was ing of fear and insecurity which that there was some migration of now permeates all sections of the Mus lims from Maldah district into community—the Hindus, Muslims East Pakistan I might say that these and the Adivasis? •negations are reported to be entirely without any foundation. As you Mr. Speaker: Unless the State know, Sir, this matter relates to the Government asks for help, would the State Government. I know that :hey Central Government be justified in are doing the needful and taking offering it? necessary action in this regard. Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): New Shri Tridib Kumar Chaudhuri their attention has been drawn to it. (Berhampur): May I ask a question? Open allegations have been made Mr. Speaker: Does the hon. Min­ in the press that after the incidents ister want to say anything on that? took Pi ace...... Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri: I think Mr. Speaker: There is only one the West Bengal Government has thing that I would like to say. I could taken firm action. They are quite allow only one of those who have vigilant. They have not asked for given notice to put a question or two. any help from us. This cannot bo made into a regular discussion. So, if Shrimati Renu Chakravartty or one or two others 12.26 hrs. want to put a question, I would allow them to do that now. RE: SIMULTANEOUS TRANSLA­ TION OF PROCEEDINGS Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: I would not ask a direct question Shri Shri H. N. Mukerjee (Calcutta Cen­ Murmu will ask a question in Bengali tral ): Sir, there is one matter which which I will translate. arises out of the procedural difficulty which we just now experienced. Here Mr. Speaker: Then why should ;-he was an hon. Member who spoke in not ask the question herself? a language other than Eng.ish and Shri Tridib Kumar Chaudhnri: This Hindi. I remember the former question relates to the tribal ;irea. Speaker having remarked in this House that with the expansion of ShH H. N. Mukerjee (Calcutta democratic opportunities there would Central): The hon. Member belongs be coming to this House hon. Mem- 685 Re: Simultaneous APRIL 24, 1662 Papers laid on the Table 686 Translation of Proceedings (Shri H. N. Mukerjee] bers who do not understand or speak Mr. Speaker: 1 only said that even either English or Hindi and it might if we were to provide for simultane­ be necessary for us to have some ous translation in this House, that kind of an arrangement for simul­ could be done only for a few langu­ taneous translation of at least some of ages and not for all the languages the major languages, like Tamil and that are spoken in this wide country. Bengali. This is a matter which agi­ That was the difficulty that I *ras ex­ tates our mind. .. . (Interruption). pressing and not that no translator could be found. We have just now Mr. Speaker: Order, order. found a translator here.

Shri H. N. Mukerjee: I am only Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Perhaps we making a very humble submission. I can make a beginning and then ex­ do not want any decision in this tend the list. matter straightaway. But today the phenomenon of a Santhal hon. Mem­ Mr. Speaker: That we will con­ ber from West Bengal, who speaks sider separately. Bengali and his own language San- thali, speaking in Bengali brings to the forefront a problem which agi­ tates us. This problem has also been discussed at election time on a natio­ 12.28 hrs. nal scale, namely, the right of hon. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE Members to speak in this House in their own languages particularly if they belong to the Scheduled Tribes. Order under Companies Act, 1956 and Khadi and Village Industries Com­ mission (Third Amendment) Rules, Mr. Speaker: That is too broad a 1962. question to be taken up just at pre­ sent. It had been engaging the atten­ tion of our previous Speaker also. The Minister of Industry in the But even if this particular case was to Ministry of Commerce and Industry be taken up just at this moment, pro­ (Shri Kanungo): Sir, I beg to lay on bably we shall not be able to provide the Table a copy each of the following any translator for Santhali. papers:—

Shrimati Renu Chakravartty (1) Order No. 18(1 )-CL.!V/60, (Barrackpore): Bengali is one of the dated the 24th March, 1962, languages in the Schedule. He spoke under sub-section (4) of sec­ Bengali with very great .... tion 89 of the Companies Act, 1956. [Placed in Library, Mr. Speaker: That question has been See No. LT-25/62J. considered many a time. There are very many practical difficulties. It is (2) The Khadi and Village difficult even to find translators who Industries Commission (Third onuld do that. But anyhow that is a Amendment) Rules, 1962 question that could be considered published in Notification No. separately. G.S.R. M5, dated the 7th Shri Jaipai Singh (Ranchi West): April, 1962, under sub-section May I submit that there is no diffi­ (3) of section 26 of the Khadi culty in getting hold of a translator and Village Industries Com­ o f Santhali? You said that it will mission, Act, 1956. f Placed be difficult to find a translator of San- in Library, See No. L T -26/62.] thalL I submit that there are plenty mf people. 678 VAISAK H A 4, 1884 (SAKA) 688

Congress Part. If they nave any 18.2 8$ b n . complaint, that is their internal affairs. MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA

Secretary: Sir, I have to report the following message received from the Secretary of Rajya Sabha:— 12:28;J hrs.

“ In accordance with the provi­ STATEMENT RE: RAILWAY ACCI­ sions of rule 97 of the Rules of DENT NEAR DHANBAD Procedure and Conduct of Busi­ ness in the Rajya Sabha, I am The Deputy Minister in the Minis­ directed to enclose a copy of the try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama- Drugs (Amendment) Bill, 1962, swamy): Sir, with your permission I which has been passed by the would like to make a statement on a Rajya Sabha at its sitting hold on serious accident the 19th April, 1962 ” Shri Shyam Lai Saraf (Jammu and Kashmir): Sir. we have heard the hon Railway Minister . . . 12.28J hrs. DRUGS (AMENDMENT) BILL Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The hon. Minister of Railways wants to make a statement on a serious acci­ As p a s s e d b y R a j y a S a b h a —L a id dent that has occurred o n t h e T a b l e Secretary: Sir, I lay on the Table Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Sir, with of the House the Drugs (Amendment") piofound regret 1 have to inform the Bill, 1962, as passed by Rajya Sabha. House about a level crossing accident which occurred last evening in which a number of lives were lost. 12.29 hrs. At about 18.45 hours on 23-4-62, RE: ALLOTMENT OF SEATS when the shunting engine at Dhanbad Mr. Speaker: Now the House shall goods yard was drawing a goods train take up the General Discussion on the in order to marshall it, the coupling Railway Budget Shri Saraf. of the seventh wagon from the rear end broke and the seven wagons Shri Thimmaiah (Kolar): Sir, I to roll down from Dhanbad yard in want to make a submission. The the direction of Kusunda by the Up allotment of seats does not seem to line towards the Level Crossing Gate have been done on a rational basis. at Naya Bazar Level Crossing which Some of us who used to sit here . . . at that time was open for road traffic. Just at that time, a bus loaded with Mr. Speaker: This cannot be decid­ passengers and a truck happened to ed here. He can come to my Cham­ be crossing the railway track. The ber. first wagon at the Kusunda end dashed into the road vehicls and Shri Thimmaiah: Sir, you should dragged them to a distance of about kindly do something in the matter. 20 yards from the Gate.

Mr. Speaker: He can see me in my As a result of the accident, 7 per­ Chamber if he has to put anything to sons died on the spot. Another39 me, but for his guidance I might say were injured and were sent to the that so far as our Secretariat is con­ various hospitals in Dhanbad. Out cerned, we have reserved a block of these 9 expired in the hospitals for hon. Members who belong to the later. One person was discharged 689 S tatem en t re: APRIL 24, 1962 Railway A ccid en t Near 6QO Dhanbad (Shri S. V. RamaswamyJ after first aid and the remaining 29 statement of only nine deaths an are still in the hospitals. under-estimation and an under-state­ ment, or is the press report wrong? A 75-ton crane and an Accident Relief Train along with medical per­ Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The sonnel were rushed to the site imme­ hon. Minister has given the latest diately after the accident. The Divi­ information that he has got. sional Superintendent, Dhanbad and other senior local railway officers Shri S. V. Hamaswamy: I said that reached the site immediately and seven died on the spot and nine died supervised the relief arrangements. later in the hospital. The Chief Medical Officer of Eastern Railway also proceeded from Calcutta Shri Daji: The papers put it at and has since visited the injured in thirty. the hospitals. The General Manager, Eastern Railway, is on his way. Mr. Speaker: The information that ho has with him, the hon. Minister Both Up and Down tracks were has given cleared at 5.35 hrs. this morning. Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): -I The railway track from Dhanbad want to know whether there was a to Kusunda is on a down gradient Gateman there, and when the wagons and to prevent loose vehicles from rolled down I do not know whether rolling into the section, a slip siding he got information immediately, has been provided at the Kusunda because the bus just passed and the end of the Dhanbad yard. The points papers say that the gates wore open. on the slip siding are normally set That is one thing. for the slip siding. On 23-4-62 some The second thing is whether com­ time before the wagons started roll­ pensation will be given to those who ing towards the Level Crossing an have died, that is to their families, up coal pilot had started from Dhan­ by the Railways. bad towards Kusunda, necessitating setting of the points for the Main Mr, Speaker: It will be too early Line. The Cabin staff, on realising to say whether compensation would that the wagons had rolled down bo given. Lot the enquiry be made. made an effort to alert the gateman on duty at the Level Crossing Gate so Shri S. M. Banerjee: Sir, you will that it could be closed against road kindly protect me. Ad hoc compensa­ traffic, but before the gateman could tion is always given in such cases. do so the wagons had collided with the road vehicles. Mr. Speaker: Is there any proposal to give ad interim compensation? A senior officers’ enquiry has been instituted to enquire into the cause of the accident. Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Sir, as you were pleased to observe, it is too Shri Daji (Indore): Sir, only one early to say that. point of information. Shri Priya Gupta (Katihar): May I Some Hon. Members rose— know what type of level crossing gate this was, whether it was Class • Mr. Speaker: There are so many. A, Class B or Class C Gate? It has to be decided by the District Magis­ Shri Daji: Is the hon. Minister trate according to the traffic that aware that the newspaper reports put passes over the level crossing. Second­ tfae deaths at thirty? Is the reported ly, what were the roster duty hour* 691 Statement re: VAISAKHA 4, 1884 (SAKA) Railway Accident 692 Near Dhanbad of the Gate-man posted there, whe­ 12-35 hrs. ther it was eight hours’ continuous, twelve hours intermittent or twenty- RAILWAY BUDGET—GENERAL four hours or excluded? Thirdly, of DISCUSSION— contd. what type was the locomotive, whe­ ther it was steam locomotive or diesel Shri Sham Lai Saraf (Jammu and locomotive? I also want to know if Kashm ir): Sir, after the Minister of the gradient is, according to the I.R.S. Railways delivered his Budget speech, standard, allowed to continue under a number of speeches have been the conditions of the engines being made in this House—and I have hooked to this, and because it is a heard most of them—by Members gradient whether all the safety mea­ coming from different parts of the sures were adopted, and whether the country. As far as I am concerned, steam vacuum was correctly tested I will try to place a dispassionate and hooked. And lastly, we want a view with regard to the matters that judicial enquiry, not a senior officers’ have been brought before the House enquiry. in the speeches that have been deli­ vered. As far as my State is con­ Mr. Speaker: These things will be cerned, Jammu and Kashmir, we known during the enquiry. have no railway, at the moment, there and naturally, therefore, my Shri Namblar (Tiruchirapalli): May attempt will be to place an unbiassed I know whether that gate had a phone view of the matters which, I think, or a calling bell to inform the Gate- are very important for us to know. man that a wagon was rolling down? What our feelings are about them, If there had been a phone, this acci­ and secondly what improvements are dent could have been avoided. In really necessary as far as the running such gradients such bells are provid­ of railways in the country are con­ ed. I want to know whether it was cerned. there at this particular gate.

Mr. Speaker: These arc facts that A suggestion has been made here will be known when the enquiry is that a Commission of enquiry be set made, not at this moment. up in order to go into the working of the Railways. Though the sugges­ Shri Surendranath Dwlvedy (K^nd - tion has come from speakers from rapara): About the gates and other different parties, I personally feel things the hon. Member can reply. that that the way this suggestion has come is more of a negative nature Mr. Speaker: If the hon. Minister rather than of a positive one. I per­ can give some information as to whe­ sonally feel that an enquiry is neces­ ther the gates were open, whether sary. I will explain how that enquiry the gateman was there, as to when is to be made. As far as transport he received the information—because in general is concerned, in our Members are anxious to know about country, we have the railways, we these—if he has more information have shipping, we have roads, we than what he has given, he might give have navigable rivers, as they also it. carry some of the goods and passenger traffic, and also we have air trans­ Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: I shall col­ port as well. Keeping that in view lect some more information. and looking into the working of the Mr. Speaker: That is exactly what Railways for the last at least 10 years, I said. (Interruption). The hon. as I find from the statements, Member cannot go on indefinitely. from the figures and from the literature that has been distributed We shall go to the next item now. here the other day and also from what one could know from. . 693 Railw&V APRIL 24. 1981 Budget—Genera! 694 Discussion [Shri Sham Lai Sara/] experience, I would say this. As for forth, they paid their best attention to myself, I have been travelling all that part of the railways. And When over the country for the last 30 or 35 we look to the general interests of the years and I know what difference in country, we find that where business, improvement it has been making year and commerce and industry shovlld after year. As far as promoting pas­ have developed, and where we should senger traffic, making things available have easy transport available, there, by way of amenities to labour as well comparatively, so much interest was as to the travelling public plus the not taken. But, today, I see from the workshops and all the other necessi­ literature that has been supplied to us, ties that our Railways need are con­ that the railways are spreading in all cerned, I find, we are going ahead directions, and amenities are being steadily. One very important matter made available at various places. that has come before this House by From the railway lines, both metre the speeches that have been made is gauge and broad gauge, are spreading. that, with the planned development So, also the railway workshop are of the country, with the development being strengthened. -As regards the that has taken place and the work that requirements of the railways, such as it has now generated, we have to see tools and other things^ the railways whether the present capacity or the have reached near-self-sufficiency in capacity of the Railways made avail­ a number of items, and in most of the able from year to year is enough in items, there is complete self-suffici­ order to meet the demands of our ency. passenger traffic and also our goods traffic. Keeping that in view, I feel From the manner in which some of that unless and until a high power my hon. friends have spoken here, one committee would go into the entire feels as if nothing has been done, and matter of transport and allocate por­ if at all anything has been done, it is tions of the responsibility to the not worth mentioning. 1 would say different systems of transport, it may *hat that will not be the correct posi­ be difficult to say exactly whether the tion at ali. Of course, there are Railways have kept pate in showing certain things towards which the rail­ their progress year after year accord­ ways have to give their attention, and ing to the ever increasing needs of the I shall enumerate them a httle later. country. I am reminded of m y early In the meanwhile, I would say that days, say, the twenties, when as high the railways are perhaps one of the, school students, we were asked to write or rather the biggest employers in our assays on ‘ ki barkaten’ and country. We must not forget that the Railways were supposed to be a also. barkat. I see the progress made during the last 20 or 30 years. With In a big organisation like this, some­ a set purpose, the British then orga­ times, certain things happen. For nised the Railways. This we must not instance, this morning, just before T forget. If we compare the railways started my speech, the Deputy Minis­ of those days, which we had in the ter in the Ministry of Railways made- country, we shall find that the then a statement about a very unhappy North-Western Railway in undivided accident that has taken place this India was the longest railway, and momning. Surely, these are things to. that w»s so with a definite purpose which one has to pay one’s special on the part of the British. What was attention. I can very safely say that that purpose? Firstly, most of the it may not be the fault of the high-ups, cantonments in the country were on but it may be the fault of some people that side, in the Punjab and also in lower down, some underlings. I have the then N. W. frontier. Secondly, in seen these kinds o f things happening, ocder to maintain their supply line, and therefore, I can say that it may W ammunition supply and so on and so due to callousness on their part, o r 695 Raihotiy VAISAKHA 4, 1884 (SAKA) Budget—General 696 Ducusrion due to dereliction of duty on the part timber that is available in Karwar. of the underlings. When they do not Firstly, I would thank the Railway pay proper attention to certain things, Ministery for having given preference and when they do not pay sufficient to the deodar timber that is available attention to discipline in the services, in Kashmir, which is perhaps the best such things may happen, and some­ timber ( deodar) for railway sleepers times, even worse things may happen. available m the country as a whole. Today, we are felling a record number Therefore, what is needed is that in of trees in order to convert those trees an important service like the railways, into sleepers to be supplied to the first-class discipline should be main­ railways. I would assure the Min­ tained among the ranks, officers and istry that m case it is possible to others and also among the workers, bring in the railway to within my whether they be daily paid workers State and nearer to the Kashmir or piece-rate workers. Unless that Valley, wc will be able to exploit discipline is there, a railway service our forest wealth to a much greater like the one we have in our country extent. may not function in a manner that all of us want. Today the pos.tion is like this. We have to fell deodar forests at a height Yesterday, my hon. friend Shri of 7,000 ft. and above. Then there is a Joachim Alva made a few references long lead through which you have to with regard to backward areas in the carry the timber through slides, then country. I am a' one with him; that floated down the river on to the cat­ while attention is being paid to such ching ghat from where it has to be parts of the country as arc advanced, carried in trucks right up to the and where we have railway lines, and nearest Rail Head. All this means a where other amenities are available, lot of botheration, a lot of expense there are still some pockets and some 111 handling, loading, unloading and so areas where we have got only primi­ on Then alone we are in a position tive systems of transport. It is highly to supply our deodar sleepers to the imperative that such areas also should railways. It is in the nearest of the be developed. My hon. friend men­ railways themselves to look into this tioned the case of Kavwar yesterday. matter and extend the railway line in. It may be that there are such areas in to my State. Then we would be able other parts of the country as well, to double, treble or even quadruple which are backward and where the the present supplies of deodar sleep­ railways have not yet reached. ers (quality sleepers) of which we Therefore, the first preference or are in great need now. Augmenting rather the top preference should be the supply of these sleepers will be­ given to the development of such areas sides save an appreciable amount of in future, as are backward, and where foreign exchange. transport is needed immediately and badly. I would certainly include the State where I come from, namely Then there is another thing. I Jammu and Kashmir State, about would like to pay my sincere compli­ which one of my hon. friends has al­ ments to the hon. Minister of Rail­ ready spoken, in this category. In ways, who is not here at the moment. fact, I would like to say something Before taking over charge of Rail­ more which would certainly attract ways, he was in charge of the Minis­ the attention of the railway authori­ try of Steel, Mines and Fuel. On ties and which make them take up the behalf of the Government of my State, question of extending the railway line of which I was a Minister till the to that part of the country. other day, on behalf of the people of my State and on my own behalf, I Yesterday, my hon. friend Shri thank him heartily for helping guid­ Joachim Alva made a mention of the ing and assisting us in connection with- 4) 97 R ailw ay APRIL 24^ IN I B u d get— General 69# D iscussion I Shri Sham Lai Saraf] the setting up of the department of Therefore, I would certainly pay a .geology and mining. The Survey of compliment to the entire railway staff, India has helped us in surveying most from the smallest worker to the top -areas of the State. Today w e find that heads who have been working, giving we can immediately exploit some min­ their very best. I know some of the xes which would mean a lot of relief officers personally, and some of the to the north, even up to Delhi. The high-ups who have retired and are •other day, as you must have read in working elsewhere. I know how they the papers we inagurated one of have contributed at different confer­ oar flrst-rate coal mines which are ences and on different matters which estimated to have deposits of hund­ have certainly been in the interests of reds of mill ons of tons of good steam the cguntry. I happened to know the ■coal. In this very House, hon. Mem- gentleman who is the Chairman of 1>ers have voiced their feelings with the Railway Board from a distance regard to the paucity of coal in the when he was an officer during British Punjab and Delhi areas. Once we are days. I know how he has been work­ able to exploit the coal that is now ing, how he has gone up on posts of ■available—we have started at the rate responsibility, with the result that of 1,00,000 tons per year and we finally today he holds the position o f' ■might even increase it to 500,000 tons the Chairman, and I can very well a year—it could be carried down into imagine his contribution. Rather, I the Punjab and other adjoining areas know personally also the contribution at a cheaper rate of transport, I am he and his colleagues have made. One •sure this will tremendously help In­ of his predecessors whom I happened dustry and relieve the pressure that to meet the year before last in Mos­ We have at the moment in Assansol cow and leading a delegation which in the Bengal—Bihar coal supplying was going to purchase some heavy •centres. Not only that. It would cer­ machinery etc. there from that coun­ tainly afford relief to the railways try. In spite of the fact that there themselves in the way of removing were top engineers in that delegation, congest;on because of the pressing r know what contribution he made demand, day in and day out, for coal there and how he helped in really 'from all parts of the country. selecting the machinery they wanted. Therefore, to say that the railways If we are able to take the railway have done nothing etc., I think will line right up to the ‘Chenab’, say near not be justified. No hasty remarks ■‘Akhnoor’, it would not only help in should be passed as some of us do. relieving congestion on the railways, but we would be able to help the In conclusion, I suggest certain mea­ whole of the Himachal, Punjab and sures which I feel are absolutely "Delhi areas with supplies of Indus­ necessary. First of all, as I said, dis­ trial and raw materials plus sleepers cipline on the past of the employees for railways which We ne?d so badly. and vigilance with respect to protec­ All these years I have been seeing the tion of railway property should be third, second and first class passenger there among all right from small coaches. Passenger amenities are underlines up to the high-ups. "being provided and improved upon. VJe must not felt that, after all. India Secondly, we should have security is a vast country. I have had occasion while travelling. People who travel, to travel in Europe and see other whether men, women or children, countries also. In those countries the should feel absolutely secure while populations are small. Those coun­ travelling on the railways. What has tries are not as vast as India. Natu­ been happening for the last so many rally. therefore, for one management years or even today should not happen. to control so many railways Is not an All of us are very much purturbed •eaty task, cannot be an easy Job. about this. Today I or m y friend* 9t 4»9 ? R ailw ay V AISAK H A 4 , 1884 (SA KA ) Budget—General 700 Discussion anyb ody for the matter of that do not hours day and night, and what hap­ feel easy when we send our women, pens is that the taxiwalas, tongawalas folk of children alone to travel on and other charge exorbitant rates. I railways. think that something should be done with regard to that also. Even if an Thirdly, too much of pilferage is enactment has to be passed, I think taking place in goods that are being the Ministry should not hesitate in booked through the railways. I have doing that. had personally experience for a num­ ber of years, being a businessman Shri Alva made a sporting offer myself. At several occasions it hap­ yesterday and I thank him heartily for pened that what we order is not re­ that. He said that in case Kashmir ceived in full and what we despatch got its railway he would not press his does not reach the destination. This claim as No. 1 but would wait as No. is very important, and is shaking the 2. In case Government is prepared to confidence of the people in general, take up some new line, let them de­ and more particularly the business­ cide it fifty-fifty—fifty to Karwar and men of the country. Some attention fifty to Kashmir. has to be paid to this immediately. Shri U. M. Trivedi (Mandsaur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have a new Rail­ With regard to security, I would way Minister, a mild-mannered, sweet submit that there should be up-to-date -tongued gentleman who finds it con­ intelligence in order to locate anti­ venient to be absent from the House social elements that are at large. I today. The Railway Budget is being suggest that not only the railway discussed, and it would have been very police, but the police as such, should proper and fit for him to remain here act in conjunction with each other and and listen to what the Members have see that they are able to bring to book to say. It is very unfortunate that he all the anti-social elements that are is absent today. We know that we at large near ra:lway stations or round can write letters, and letters are writ­ about places where there is railway ten. traffic. Once that is done, I think to a great extent we may be able to Mr. Speaker: Discussion is going surmount the difficulties facing us on simultaneously in both the Houses today. today, and probably the Minister had to go there for a while. One thing more I would suggest to the hon. Minister of Railways. At Shri U. M. Trivedi: He is a Mem­ the bigger railway stations we find ber of the Lok Sabha. that there are enquiry offices. I may tell you by personal experience that Mr. Speaker: But he is entitled to whenever I felt a difficulty at any sit there, and is answerable to both railway station, your enquiry offices the Houses. Therefore, one of the have not been able to satisfy me. May Deputies is here, but he will be here I suggest that you have public rela­ most of the time, we should not be tions officers at the more important impatient. junctions and railway stations. Once you do that, and fairly responsible Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): The men are there, I think most of the Deputy Minister is there. What is grievances of the people will be re­ the difference? dressed. That is my humble submis­ sion. Shri U. M. Trivedi: I think my hon. friend may keep his advice to himself. As was pointed out by Shri Alva yesterday, near about these railway However, in his absence, my old stations people have to detrain at odd friend, Shri S. V. Ramaswamy is here, 701 R ailw ay A P B & ^ Budget— Q^mtral 70 as Discussion fShri U. M. Trivedi] and he will certainly pay attention to sources had to be augmented by what I may have to say. borrowing from the General Reve­ nues. And, it is from the General Our Railway covers a huge area in Revenues that we are now running India, but its mileage is very small the railways. It is a pity that no. compared to the vastness of the coun­ attention has been concentrated on try. Thirty-five thousand miles in this factor. India is a very small mileage com­ pared to what it is in the United We have been increasing day in States. We have been tom-tomming and day out our fares. The Hare* about our progress, but have we were first increased on the basis at noticed what the progress is? Had our passenger tax. That gave us an in­ Minister enough time to study the crease of nearly 10 per cent. Ttien, Budget which he has presented? Has again, there was this new coinage the White Paper been prepared by which gave us a good yield of another him, or is it merely a bureaucratic 10 per cent. And, now, we hwe an­ publication drawn up at a bureaucra­ other 10 per cenit. So, within a tic level without paying any attention period cf 5 years, we have an increase to facts. At places it appears to of 30 per cent. If the hon. Minister m e___ cares to look into the fares that were obtaining in the years 1908 to 1931, Mr. Speaker: When he is respon­ for third class travel, he will find that sible to the House, why should the for travelling a distance of 150 miles Member worry about it? which came to Rs. 1:16 then the fare now stands at Rs. SjlO1-. He will Shri U. M. Trlvedi: 1 have to worry realise that this increase in fares is- about it because I am an Indian. nearly 5 times move than what it ought to be. It is the same fare which Mr. Speaker: If the Minister does we used to pay for special second not take the responsibility, he should class or second class or first class. worry, but when he takes the respon­ Have we got the same amenities? Is sibility for the whole of it, why the increase in fares justified? It should be worry? shows that the Railway Budget is merely a ruse for exlra taxation in Shri II. M. Trivedi: Assuming he our country. It is not a commercial is responsible, I am trying to bring undertaking; it is merely taxing ma­ to his notice that he should be care­ chinery which is being showered upon ful. us. It is true that the monopoly that exists in our country so far as rail­ One thing which strikes me is that ways are concerned gives a strong our railway, whioh is a commercial hand to the Railway Ministry to have undertaking, is jus>t struggling to its cwn way in this matter. make both ends meet. It is not making any profit whatsoever, and But, we have to look back not only the writing is clear on the wall that to the financial position of oar rail­ our railway is a losing concern. ways; but we have also to look, into what we have done to the country. 12 bra. Have you calculated the number . of persons whom you kill every day? If we examine the figures we will In India we are killing about find that the Depreciation Fund 1* IS men per day through the railway*. trying to disappear; k has disappear­ Their own figures indicate that 8901 ed. The EteveJopnvesit Fund stood men are killed by you in one year. a* a very high figure during 1M 8-48 Divide it by S80 and you will' ’ted and it is n o w coengtfotely wiped out. that 15 men are being killed n ttttf It had to be admitted that our re­ d*r. •jq $ Railway VA1 S A K H A 4 , 1884 (SAK i4) Budget— General 704 DUcuttion M r. Speaker: The hon. Member is injured every day. What steps have an old and experienced Member. He we taken? should not be charging me with all that. We remember one of our Ministers going out of office suddenly because Shri V. M. Trlvedi: I am sorry. I a serious accident took place in the was looking at the Minister. south. Accidents have been n galore during the last Minister’s regime in- Mr. Speaker: He should look at me as much as 1888 accidents took place because I am looking at him always. during 6 months and no statement of regret even was forthcoming. Ar$ we Shri Tyagl (Dehra Dun): Even in going to add to the number of acci­ the case of the Minister, he has not dents like this? killed them. It is wrong; it is not •deliberate killing of anybody. This morning a statement was read out. Whether it was 16 persons who Shri U. M. Trivedi: It is the rail­ were killed or 30 persons who were ways which have killed. killed, it is immaterial. But the patent fact remains that in the shunt­ Shri A . C. Gaha (Barasat): Is the ing operations that are going on, figure correct, that 15 persons die which we watch standing as laymen, -every day due to railway accidents? at juction stations, we find the great­ est carelessness on the part of the Shri U. M. TrtveSi: These are the railway employees. And, it is due to figures that have been taken from the this carelessness that such accidents book; and the hon. Member also can take place. have a look at it. I have just cal­ culated the number per day. Sir, I was saying that the adminis­ tration of our railways. . . . Mr. Speaker: He is a very experi­ enced Member. Even if he has to Shri Bade (Khargone): On a point »ay something he may use the other of order, Sir There is no Minister expression that so many have been here. killed and not that the Minister has killed or ‘You have killed’; ‘this man Mr. Speaker: It may be a point o f has killed’ or ‘that man has killed’ ___ order raised by somebody else.

Shri II. M. Trivedi: I do not think j t w (smew*?!-) : the hon. Ministers are so touchy. inarer «rfT tow Mr. Speaker: I am; they may not be. f, I tP T T I am just asking the hon. Member fotfr *fcr ^rr T'rffcr sftt f?*TT because he will have to address me •and all these implications are there. 3rT9\ SffTK qff ^f5TFt TIT jrt'fr 7 •■* q-fr a r m 1 Shri U. M. Trivedi: I will take your •advice. Sir. We will go a little wwrw further. S T Trsr 51'ffT £ 1 *rr$*Tsr You will be pleased to And that k % v t o fa U tzt ?r?r tst ft the number of persons injured every year is as large as 32,600. That gives ?ff w i r a *t 1 us the ilgure of 90 persons being in­ jured every day. Fifteen are killed— Shri U. M. Trivedi: While drawing «r.in eet their death; let me use that the attention of the hon. Minister to ■«X#®ession, if die Minister does not this state of affairs about accidents, relish the other—and 90 persons are let me also inform him that on read- 705 R ailw ay APRIL 24, 1962 Budget—General ydS- D iscussion [Shri U. M. Trivedy] ing the While Paper it struck me that you a clear picture of what, thi*- proper attention has not been paid ticketless travel is. personally by him to the real facts. Fulogy has been paid to departmental It is a stigma on our nation to say- catering. Perhaps, the hon. Minister that so many peapls are travelling, Or none of them have ever tasted that without tickets. People are not tra­ departmental catering. I would like velling without tickets. This thing, the Minister to go over to Ratlam must be properly investigated whe­ station, where there is departmental ther the impression that I have got catering, and try to eat the food that is correct or not. The figures that ia being offei'ed there. No one worth I am giving will give you an idea of his salt, much less a man with some what ticketless travel is; and it will taste in life would like to eat the food show that ticketless travel is on the that is being supplied there. It is decrease and not on the increase as- useless. To tom-tom this type of food this report says. This has resulted in which is being supplied is no good. certain loss to the country. Where It has not become popular; it is no use there used to be one T.T.E., now, putting it in the White Paper that it you find a whole bunch of them. is growing in popularity. It has not One is known as the CCS gang; some grown in popularity. You can take it are known as the Railway Board’s from me cr from all those who have gang. There is then the divisional the misfortune of travelling by the gang and another is the ordinary Western Railway and eating that type CTT gang. Gang after gang of these- of dirty food. people are employed to go on travel­ ling and disturbing the passengers. It is no use increasing the staff of In the report that has been pre­ T.T.E’s. Actually th< st-ff -nust be sented to this House we find that increased only for the purpose of ticketless travel has been on the in­ ticket collecting and they will be able1 crease. May I point out that the hon. to serve the country and the Rail­ Minister should try t> find ouit whe­ ways better. ther it is ticketless travelling that has actually increased or it is merely the The railway staff is not very happy figures that have been obtained Irom about the amenities that are tom- E.F.Ts. There is a paper form known tommed about. Under the new rules as the E.F.T. which is given at way­ the Railway Ministry has started side stations. Passengers are not charging rent from the station issued purposely tickets to their des­ masters. So many wayside station tinations because the travelling ticket masters feel it. They are made to checking staff request the station live in the quarters built there. masters and the booking clerks not Formerly they were living free in- to book tickets to the final destina­ these auarters. even in the company tions but to give tickets to stations days. If they so want they may get short of the destination. These ticket a quarter for one rupee or eight checking staff approach the passen­ annas per month or even for the gers and say, *we have to show our mere asking; the villagers are prepared quo'a; so please give the tickets to us to give them houses free. But they and we will make out the tickets to are now being charged rent at Rs. 12' the destinations’. It is in this way or Rs. 15 or Rs. 20 on the percentage that the E.F.Ts. are issued; and these basis. Why should it be charged' E.F.Ts. inflate the figures of ticke-tlesB from these people who are made to- travel. I would submit that you live there in the interest of the rail­ would have to cut not 10 per cent ways and not in their own interest? cr 20 per cent nor even 50 per cent It is for the convenience of the rail­ but art least 80 per cent from the ways. If that is so, they cannot cer­ figures that are given. That wide give tainly be charged rent at thc same 707 B a ilw a y VA1SAXHA 4, 1884 (SAKA) Budget—General 70& D iscussion rates at which rent can be charged sleepers. I have noticed to my from tho*« who live in Ahmedabad utmost regret that whatever sleepers or Bombay or Ludhiana or such we gathered in Kashmir are, through, places. the machinery of some of our I shall refer to another matter friends, allowed to be flooded to. amendment of Establishment Code, Pakistan and we do not claim a rule 2044. It iB entirely ultra viras. farthing from Pakistan. We had a It is trying to hit the railway em­ huge bonfire of all our sleepers in the- ployees. Formerly when a railway depot at Dhilwan. The net result is employee was suspended on account that the sleepers are not there. of some criminal offences, the only We are talking of planning. W e question that was to be found out must not merely talk. We must have was whether he was guilty or not. If presumed that so many sleepers were he was acquitted he would be entit­ required and we ought to have made led to his salary for the period for provision for these sleepers. The net which he was suspended. Now, there result of all this is that the trains is a roundabout method. The healthy which used to run from Bombay to- provision of articles 310 and 311 of Delhi in 21 hours in 1931—32 our Constitution has been given a go- are now taking 23-24 hours. bye. Now it is left to a railway Trains which used to run 400 officer to decide whether an employee miles in about 20 hours are now made- should be given his salary or not, to run in 28 hours. 1 do not think that after his acquittal. Without finding it will indicate to any man, any sen­ one way or the other, without giving sible man that any progress has been- any opportunity to the railway em­ made in our country about the run­ ployee, the rule contemplates that it ning of the railways. is the sweet choice of the railway official to give him his pay or not to Now, we are going to do re-laying, give him and punish him doubly. This work. Wc have said that it is advan­ is causing very great hardships. Some tageous to put heavy rails. Every unions have taken up this matter and country has tried to do it. But what I do not know whether their voice have we done? When we changed will be heard at all. the rails from 50 lbs. we jumped to» 75 lbs. and then to 90 lbs. All along We say that we are progressing in the British railways which are of our country and I will talk about this smaller gauge, that is 4 feet 6 inches, progress at some other stage. But if they are having 105 lbs. rails, but with the hon. Minister cares to look into our heavier engines and bigger gauge, the time-tables—a complimentary 5 feet 6 inches, we are still having 90* copy O f the All India time-table has lbs. When re-laying work is done, been supplied to me— he will find that why not do it to the same extent as is the speed of trains has gone down. obtaining in other countries. Our The Malwa section, the Ajmer— report says that we want to do it. Our Khandwa section—393 miles—is an report further says: We want to try instance. In 1908 the speed in that having longer rails, welded rails o f area was 25 miles; in 1931 it was 30 210 feet. But are we carrying out the miles per hour and it increased to 40 experiments? Or are w e putting it tniles. Now in the year of Grace down only on paper? Actually when­ 11HJ2, from 5th January 1962, the ever work is undertaken by us we do* speed of the trains has been reduced not have a complete picture °f what to 23 mlies per hour, with YP engines, we have. Capable of a speed of eighty miles per hour. The reasons which have There are areas in Madhya Pradesh reached my ears are that we are where no man has seen a rail in- lacking in sleepers. Where are the 15.000 square miles at one place and’ s1a, and the The Minister of Railways (Shri railways must have a major share in Swaran Singh): I would say that that having that crisis in the transport is not correct, because I have been in system of the country. Even the charge of steel. Prime Minister had the frankness to admit in a public meeting that there Sfirl A. C. Guha: That means it had been a crisis in transport, coal was not deliberately kept l;ke that. and power. But, while going through the papers supplied along with the Shri Swaran Singh: That was never budget papers, you will not And any a consideration there. indication that the railways have any appreciation of the position, that the Shri A . C. Guha: I have not said it railways have failed to discharge their was a consideration. I said it was functions properly and that to a very only a suspicion, and even some great extent the railways have been financial journals mentioned this responsible for contributing to this thing. crisis in our transport system. Shri Swaran Singh: He should ac­ Not only the crisis in transport, but cept my word as of greater authority the crisis in coal and power also, to a than what appears in the journals. great extent, is due to the failure of the railways. It is regrettable that in Shri A . C. Guha: Surely, I accept aU these papers, we find only the his word. In administrative matters, achievements of the railways and there should have been some scope hardly any mention about the failures for greater improvement. I find that of the railways. I admit that the there has been a general increase in 198 (A i) LSD— A. 713 Railway APRIL 24, 1962 Budget-General 714 Discussion [Shri A . C. Guha] the empty journey time of wagons While speaking of corruption, I and engines. I think there is suffi­ think there was an enquiry committee cient scope for improvement in that set up some four or five years ago to respect. In addition to the empty enquire into the question of corrup­ journey time, the wagon turn-round tion in the railways, but I do not time has also increased. It is now a know if the position has improved in little over 11 days, during which a any way after the report of that wagon remains stationary either in enquiry committee. I would ask the the terminal station or in some inter­ hon. Minister to look into the contract mediate yard for nine days. Of these and purchase systems. I think much 11 days, only for two days is the economy can be effected if corrupt wagon on the move. I am sure the practices in these departments could Railway Minister will agree that there be stopped. is much scope for improvement in this idle stay of the wagons in some ter­ minals or intermediate yard for nine Coming to smaller things, not so days out of 11 days, of which only for much from the point of money but two days are the wagons on the move. from the point of view of harassment to the general public, it would be difficult for any person to book even a small railway parcel without paying The Railway Minister has mention­ some tips to the official concerned. If ed in his speech that according to the he does not give the tip he will have recommendation of the Railway to wait for not one day only but even Freight Structure Enquiry Committee, two days for getting his small parcel booked. These are things which are the railways have now accepted the responsibility of a common carrier really irritating for the public and and due to that, the compensation should receive the stern attention of claims are expected to increase by the department. over Rs. 2 crores. Several crores of rupees are given every Turning to the broader view, I find year by way of compensation that there has not been a proper plan for goods either pilfered or lost in nor a proper policy for the railways. transit. Only recently I saw a cartoon During the Second Plan the capacity in some paper where two people were of the railways was planned on a basis, discussing and one was shown to Have which proved inadequate. At least said that it is better that they booked one member of the Planning Commis­ a certain articles by the railways and sion put his note of dissent and that somehow got it lost so that they could was put at the end of the report of the get something more than the real value Planning Commission. But the Plan­ of the article. In this, Sir, I think ning Commission expected that that, much is due to the corrupt practice position might not arise. But 1 think amongst the officials, and everybody the present Railway Minister as Minis­ will admit that so much loss and pil­ ter in charge of coal should have had ferage of goods sent by railways could his bitter experience of how the rail­ not have occurred except with the ways failed to carry the goods offered connivance of the staff engaged in the to it. But in the Third Plan also they transport of goods. Not only from the have planned on an inadequate basis. point of view of preventing corrup­ The target for general goods in the tion but also from the point of view Third Plan has been fixed at 85 million of effecting economy, this matter tons in 1960*61 and 109 million tons should be seriously tackled; of course, in 1965-66. It is generally apprehen- , the Minister in his speech has men­ ded that this will prove a very inade­ tioned that they will try to tighten up quate figure and the goods offered to the machinery to prevent pilferage the railways will be very much more and loss of goods. than that. Railway VA1SAKHA 4, 1884 (.SAKA) Budget—General 716 Discussion Sir, we are working under a plan that the Railway Board practically is and whatever railway transport capa­ not co-operating with the Committee. city we may envisage lor the Third Whether that allegation is correct or Plan must be commensurate with the not, at least the Railway Board should production target for the Third Plan. have an early report about the imme­ The Railway Minister, 1 hope, will diate future. The Committee was to realise that this 109 million tons of submit a report for 5 to 10 years from general goods in the last year of the 1959. We cannot wait for another Third Plan would fall very much be­ three or four years for the Committee low the production target. The in­ to submit its report. I hope they will crease envisaged is only 5 per cent try to have an early report about the annually during the Third Plan. But transport policy, about co-ordination I think the annual increase in produc­ between the various forms of trans­ tion would be near about 10 to 12 per port—railway, road, sea and other cent. The exper encc of the Railway things Board during the Second Plan will it­ self show that the annual increase in traffic carried by the railways was to Sir, I now come to the quest'on of the tune of 8 per cent. Therefore, I coal. It has been debated in this do not know 011 what basis they have House on many occasions. The pre­ planned for an annual increase of 5 vious Speaker—he sometimes got per cent only during the Third Plan irritated over this question—suggested for general goods—of course, ccal and several measures of joint discussion other things are kept separate. and conferences between the two min:sters in charge of the railways and If the production increases by 10 or coa] production. He also suggested 12 per cent annually and the railways that the Estimates Committee might have planned to carry only 5 per look jnto all these things. But the cent increased traffic I do not know fact remains that even in 1962, as yet how they can arrange for the trans­ the position has not improved at all. port of the remaining goods. Tht- Coal Controller, in 1961 asked for 6150 wagons daily for Bengal-Bihar Sir, about two or three years ago area which produces 80 per cent of the a report was submitted to this House coal of India. But the average supply and it was seriously debated also. The was only 4768 wagons, which means report was about road transport. It about 20 per cent less than what the was been apprehended that road trans­ Coal Controller thought necessary for port had come as a rival to railway the proper transport of coal from the transport, and there was almost open Bengal-B har area. This year the canvassing and lobbying on both sides allocation is 5,496 wagons daily but in the Parliament. But now it is not so far they have been able to supply a question of any rivalry between the only 4,732 wagons during the first two railways and road transport, it is only months of the year. Perhaps there a question of co-ordination between may not be much improvement in the the railways and road transport. third month either. The Railway Minister, who has rich experience os From that, I would refer to the lack Minister in charge of coal production, of any transport policy. The Neogy should put in greater energy into the Committee was appointed in July 1959. Railway Board and see that same.hing One of the terms of that Committee is done for the transport of coal was to determine the various means Coal is a very important item in the of transport in the country during the deve'opment of a country as it affects next 5 to 10 years. Of these 5 years, the production of everything else. 3 years have almost gone and we do not know when the Neogy Committee will be able to submit its report. Coming to the financial position, in There has been a serious allegation this budget there is an increase in the y j 7 Railway APRIL 24, 1802 Budget—General 718 Discussion [Shri A. C. Guha] freight and fare. And when we con­ It is a good thing that the railways sider the needs of the railways we feel have wiped out all the loans that they there is good justification for that. took during the Second Plan period But that should not be the only crite­ and started with a clean slate without rion for increasing the freight and any loan from the general revenue. fare. The Railway Board should also This year also the loan that was shown take into account how the increase in in the interim budget has now been freights and fares will affect the cost converted into a contribution from its of production and the cost of living. own revenue. So, there would not be We should not move in a vicious circle. any loan from the general revenue. Due to rise in cost of living, there has With these words, I conclude my been an increase in the dearness allow, remarks. ance and salaries. To meet that increased expenditure they have in­ creased the fares and freights. This will again lead to some increase in the Shri Birendra Bahadur Singh (R aj- cost of production and cost of living, nandgaon); Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, and that may again lead to demand of after hearing the speech of the Railway an increase in dearness allowance. Minister 1 feel that there is ISbk of This morning also there was a ques­ planning and co-ordination and the tion about the price policy. I suggest first thing is not attended to first i*1 that all these things should be consi­ the Railway Ministry. Even if dered from the broader point of view priorities are fixed, 1 feel that they of the economic condition of the are not being observed properly. I country as a whole. can quote several instances where the work that has been started is stopped The hon. Member who preceded me suddenly and the whole material is stated that the railways have practi­ carried to another place for starting cally become bankrupt, the reserve another work. There are so many fund, depreciation fund and develop­ reports which recommend that once ment have practically been wiped out a work is started, it should be com ­ and the railways have been borrowing pleted before taking up another work. from the general revenues. Two days Here 1 want to refer to the doubling ago, some hon. Members from the of lines in Madhya Pradesh. A work opposition suggested that the railways was started in full swing some three should not contribute to these funds years ago and suddenly last year, for and should go on borrowing from the reasons best known to the railway general revenues. That is not good authorities they stopped the work and budgeting for borrowing from the took away the materials to some other general revenues would mean greater place. Now what has happened is taxation by the Finance Ministry. So, that the work that should have been I think it is quite proper that the rail­ completed in proper time remains in­ ways should contribute to the develop­ complete, some money has already ment fund, depreciation fund and the been wasted in the venture, some reserve fund. An industrial venture with an investment of about Rs. 2,000 more money has been spent elsewhere crores should have these reserve and now when things are more costly funds and should be in a position to the work has to be started again. So, contribute to these funds. once priorities are decided upon, I would rather suggest that they should Mr. Deputy-^Speaker: This is the stick to them. They should not third time that 1 am asking the hon. change the priorities merely because Member to conclude his remarks. certain areas have been told to be taken up. I do agree that there are Shri A. C. Guha: I will conclude certain urgent things •which have to just now. be attended to without loss of time > 719 Railway VAISAKHA 4, 1864 (SAKA) Budget-General 720 Discussion and they should be attended to. But near the outer signal of the station then, it should not be at the expense and the only thing which we require of the existing works. They should to avoid that is a gate which would be over and above the existing works. not cost the railways more than Rs. 500 to 600. Many persons have In this budget the railways have died there because of the railway increased the freight .rate and fares shunting and nothing has been done by about 10 to 15 per cent. At the in that direction though the request same time. what are the facilities that has been made several times. are provided to the passengers, parti- cularly in the backward areas? Here Then I come to the wastage in the I have again to refer to Madhya Pra- desh, the State I hail from. Time railways and the work done by the Railway Protection Force. Murders after time, it has been repeated in this and looting have increased in the House for the last five years that there must be adequate trains from trains. Have the Railway Protection Force done anything to improve the the capital of Madhya Pradesh, Bhopal, to the other places. but no- situation? If they have done some- thing has been done in that direction. thing, how many thefts have they detected and how many were con- When hundreds of trains are run to victed? What is the amount of goods the capitals of various States, I do recovered? The whole thing looks as not know the reasons why in the case if it is a force meant only for the of Madhya Pradesh alone the capital benefit of the employees of the rail- has not been linked with any of the ways. When the railway officers go areas in that State. Now if a person from one place to another, they parade has to travel from Bhopal, he has to in the stations with nice uniforms. come all the way down to Itarsi, go When the General Manager goes on up to Jubbalpore, then again t") Katni tour, he is given a guard of honour by up to Bilaspur before reaching the eastern portion of the province taking this force. It looks as if this force more than 48 hours, the time within is meant only for them. Previously, which you can travel from the east the Watch and Ward used to do better work than the present Railway to the west of India. If you at least Protection Force. If only you could attach special bogies to the various -trains, it will partly solve the hurdle make some saving in that direction, or problem. I do not know why it all this increase in fare and freight has not been done so far. could have been very well avoided.

We speak about SO many things in Then I would come to the person- House and everything is being noted nel of the Railway Protection Force. down. I would rather like that after Who are they? Dismissed constables, we have spoken there must be some dismissed persons who are not wanted kind of reply given to every point by the army, persons who are not that has been raised in the speeches wanted by the police. Only such by the hon. Members, stating the people are employed by the Railway points on which the suggestions have Protection Force. Why should they been accepted and the points on which take retired officers? If they want the suggestions have not been accept- good people, let them take fresh peo- ed with reasons therefor. ple and train them. There is -no harm. What is the point in appointing un- The hon. Railway Minister paid a wanted people of the police or army? visit to my area some two months ago and he came to the station Dongar- Coming to the question of ameni- garh. There we had asked for a ties, I will first take catering. It is very small thing. Many accidents certainly better in places beyond have taken place in the shunting area Hyderaba j or beyond Nagpur. But, 721 Railway APRIL 24, 1902 Budget—General <722 Discussion [Shri Birendra Bahadur Singh] so far as northern India is concerned, fault of his had to be superseded catering is very bad. only due to a railway accident when the fault was that of transportation. Take, for example, the food that is But that is a different thing. I am supplied in the Grand Trunk Express more concerned about the lower staff. — especially the rice is bad. If selections are there, there is no harm in them, but senior officers who Some hon. Members had suggested have worked for 10 or 15 years should a couple of days ago that there must not be superseded because a man be a high-poiwqrr commission to go happens to come and know someone. into it. I do admit that it is high time to see to these things. I must Similarly, in Kanpur in the month say that the Railway officials who of May there is a mass transfer of have been there for years together TTIs who have been posted there. could see that as long as catering was No one knows where they would go done by contractors there was some and where accommodation for them check, but now you may travel Irom is arranged. Once the transfer takes Howrah to Delhi and see that at place they do not know where .they times the food served is not good. are to be posted, so much so that new ones come immediately and the Passengers experience a lot of diffi­ old ones do not know where they culty. are transferred to. Inconvenience Last time I had suggested that is caused to them- I do hope that from the point of view of the foreign the Railway Ministry will look into that. tourists it would be better if there was a special train from Delhi to If you go to the New Delhi Station, Agra and back. It was very kindly you will find that there is no ar­ noted down by the hon. Deputy Minis­ rangement as to how the passengers ter of Railways. Even though the will have to go and how the luggage proposals was good, it has not been is to be delivered. There is so much implemented. It would not only give of commotion that either the passen­ incomc, but it would facilitate the ger has to fight with the coolies car­ tourists because then they could go rying luggage or vice-versa. There in the morning and return by the is no proper arrangement made same train in the evening. there. If there is a proper place where the luggage would be shifted I feel very sad about the staff. away from the passenger exit, lot of There have been so many superses­ trouble of fear of being lost will be sions among the staff, specially of the saved. TTIs, etc. Senior officers who have Coming to the question of freight, been there for years together have manganese and a few other articles been superseded by their juniors for have been exempted. I personally no rhyme or reason. There is no harm make a plea for tea and other ex­ if a selection is made, but there must portable articles. If there is also be certain criteria. But officers to be a charge on tea, coffee and who have worked for a number of other things which are being export­ years being* superseded by junior ed, it would only cause harm and officers is not good. There is of late ruin our own income. Export pro­ this thing going on in the Railways. motion will suffer. I do hope that An Hon. Member: This is so in all the Railway Ministry will see to it ministries. that these exportable articles which would fetch more money and which Shri Birendra Bahadur Singh: A are dollar earners are at least ex­ rery senior General Manager for no empted from these freight rates. 723 Railway V AISAK H A 4, 1884 ( SAKA) Budget—General 724 D iscussion Regarding the running of railway the engine was bad. Because of that trains, I an: very sorry to say that two hours were lost and the Fron­ no improvement has been made in tier Mail never reached Bombay m that regard. I also feel very sorry time because again the engine from to say that in one case only on the Baroda failed. It was 24 hours late 7th of this month an important train when it arrived ait Bombay because was pulled up for nearly 1 hours of engine trouble. This happened because a certain Governor had to only three or four days ago. •catch that train. That I consider is not correct and should not be done. NoT only that, during the period I can name the train but 1 do not when the new Ministry was being want to reveal the personality. The formed and the old hon. Minister had train arrived in time at Itarsi and given up the charge not one railway -everyone was looking for its depar­ train in the whole of India was run­ ture but suddenly it was pulled up ning on time. I can take .that as a at the platform for nearly two hours challenge. During those particular because the Governor was to catch six or seven days not one train was the tr.Vn to go somewhere else. on time; every train was running What (' ippened was that several pas- late. I happened to go to Allahabad senge: s missed their other connec­ and other places and I was really tions. surprised to find this. I went to the station master and told him about Shri Warior (Trichur): Without this. his giving some data, how can the hon. Minister fchJeck up on that? These are the things that are hap­ Without giving some clue how can pening. Certainly, charge the pas­ the hon. Minister check up? sengers Re. 1J-, Rs. 2|- or Rs. 10|- but give them minimum facilities at Shri Swaran Singh: He has given least. But, instead o f that, trains clue. He has said ‘Itarsi’. are not running on time, rolling stock is not good—these are the Shri Birendra Bahadur Singh: I things that are happening. I hope the have given the date and if the hon. hon. Minister would see to it that Minister wishes to know more, I can the passengers at least get the mini­ give him the details afterwards. mum amenities. You can take the Grand Trunk Ex­ About Madhya Pradesh, the re­ press or any other train. Either the organisation scheme when it was engine is not working properly or formed he suggesited that there must something is wrong with the rolling be a through train between Bilaspur stock. I am saying all this because and Gfondia joining Mandla, Jabal­ the question of passengers’ comforts pur and Bhopal. It has been there and other things come. You can for over six years. I have heard certainly charge 100 per cent. You that the survey had been done or is can double it or treble it, but let being carried out. It is high time there be .proper facilities given to that the railway authorities take up them. the matter because it is very neces­ Take the Frontier Mail. Three days sary. ago the Frontier Mail left here in time and arrived at Gangapur City Similarly, there was the proposal on perfect time. New engine was of linking Hingoli and Khandwa by attached. That engine was a WP. a through train from Delhi. Today By the time it reached Ratlam the we have got a lot of difficulties in train was 1J hours late. I went and travelling between north and south asked the stationmaster as to what because actually there is only one wag the cause for this. He said that train that is running, that is, the 725 Kailway APRIL. 24, 1M2 Budget—General 726 Ditcutaion [Shri Birendra Bahadur Singh] Grand Trunk Express. But if on this they will have to pay more in the line which has already been made a form of railway fare and for food­ train starts from Delhi through stuffs, because -the prices of food­ Khandwa-Hingoli to Hyderabad and stuffs will go up. There ia not suffi­ down south, we will be having two cient housing in the industrial areas, trains, one meter gauge and one and the result is that many people broad gauge. That will help very come from long distances in the in­ much from .the point of view of goods dustrial areas. So they are really as well as passenger traffic. I do perturbed over this increase. hope that this proposal will be con­ sidered. A meter gauge through I know that in spite of our pro­ train must start from Delhi to South tests the fares will be increased. But India as early as possible. I would like to request the hon. the Railway Minister at least to leave the Previously the procedure was that third-class passenger unhurt- That the Railway Ministry used to give much he can do and adjust his bud­ an opportunity to all the hon. Mem­ get in some other way. bers to meet the different Railway officers. I hope that the procedure As regards the amenities provid­ will continue because it is very help­ ed, they are really not felt and there ful and at least those hon. Members is overcrowding. There are, no who do not get time to speak here doubt, a few third-class express will be able to suggest ideas and trains; there are, no doubt, a few speak there whenever an opportunity air-conditioned third-class express is given. trains; and there are, no doubt, a 14 hrs. few big stations that have been built. But what is all this compared And, lastly, I wish to make this to the overcrowding in the third- point. It is not by way of complaint. class trains? Where the doubling work is going on the Railways make use of the The problem of the third-class village tanks. It happens in-between passengers has been there for a long Gondia and Raipur at Baratalao. time, even before Independence, and They make use of the village tanks st; many stories have been narrated for water and other purposes. But about it in this House also. But the when the villagers go and ask for amenities that are provided are so the co-operation of the Railways in small that they cannot even be felt. maintaining the tanks, the railway In the industrial areas like Ranchi authorities refuse to help them cither and Tatanagar the number of trains by money or in kind. When such has not increased. From Patna to things are there, like community Tatanagar there is only one train, development work which the Rail­ and that also is not a full train. ways also make use of, I do hope From Ranchi also there is not a full that the Railways will help villagers train— from Patna to Ranchi or Patna either by money or in kind and help to Tatanagar and vice versa. such projects. Then, take the station at Tata* Dr. U. Misra (Jamshedpur): Sir, nagar. It is a fine station built only the industrial workers and the mid­ a few months back. But how is it dle classes aw perturbed over this kept? 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f*TR w w rffc rfr Shri Jafanatha Rio (Nowrangpur): tft3rc( fa ^ ft t, t t o t tft»rr r ^rrf^r w $ in railway freight and passenger tares. I, for one, do not share that view. I ?t fJTT* ^ «firt*ft k: SR3 V 3tTT $ fee) that the railways have done their ^ w m m n fk m «rr % J fg m w jr t part during the year under review. t w 51X53 *T 5TT% 3?t %BCT 3>t -3T^*ff I %fa>3 ^ | fa? W5T 53^ 3^ fit «TT The performance of the railways generally reflects the economic activi­ T4?: 3rt ^Ti3 3^t Rtjtt *raT i A s m ties in the country. The railways, a 3>T3T ft far ??r ? m sft 333T3 the biggest carriers of the nation’s goods, have continued to play an im­ t?r# j^sfr i| 3F '3^r 9T « tft 33- portant role in the planned economic ^ftr 3pTcfT *J33 3T*3 I development of the country, by under­ taking the movement o f the bulk re­ ^ r d 3T3 fsra-^t sfrt $ s m r quirements of many of the industries, -csnw x n ^ a «rh t ^nrm £ 3? n z fc fa? such as steel, cement, coal etc. The ^mfr 3 ^ «ft n t r ^ r % 3ita33T ^it industrial production of our country rose by over 12 l per cent over that -*ftTSPJT ^ 3TTT V f<=pr cjqr <3T?3 | m of the previous year, and agricultural *r< 5ft mfrcrr «ra\. 3TT 3^ the increase in the industrial and % iw r Tra v # w iftx ^ x agricultural production under differ­ ent commodities. The Second Plan ^TPT'TTtOTTfHTTirnr^ I ^ m fixed a railway freight target of 192 t* m r 5>3r i xftx fr?pfr million orginating tons. The railways ^ in ^t fRfr | i :fr?K3T ^r% moved about 154 million originating tons. There was a backlog or a m^ft |3t «pt ^ i 4 gwft^ ^nr % shortfall of 8 million originating tons. V’ft m ^ r o r ?fW ^ What was it due to? Was it due to 737 R ailw ay A P R IL 24, IMS Budget—General 73S.. Discussion [Shri Jaganatha Rao] the failure of the railways, or ware Steel Plant and the construction there any inherent difficulties attend­ of a port at Haldia in West Ben­ ant on the railway freight system? gal. The target of freight move­ ment, placed at 245 million origi­ There is a definite pattern in rail­ nating tons in the Third Plan, will way freight traffic. Firstly, the coal­ be materially exceeded on account fields are located in the eastern region of movement of coal from collie­ of the country. Secondly, all the ries to washeries preceding their steel plants are also located in that movement from the washeries to part of the country. So neces­ their final consumers. The ques­ sarily there is bound to be long hau­ tion of increasing the Railways' lage of empty wagons from all parts Capital programme in the Plan— of the country, which results in less which at present is Rs. 1,325 movement of loaded wagons. And crores—is now under considera­ above all industries are also growing tion. This amount includes Rail­ in that region because of the avail­ way’s own contribution towards ability of coal. As it is there is a expenditure on Capital works steady increase in traffic demand as chargeable to Revenue, and to a reuJt of planned development and Depreciation Reserve Fund and % this increasing capacity has to be Development Fund.” achieved in difficult circumstances. Therefore, this aspect has to be con­ The capital at charge of the railways sidered by the Planning Commission. from the year 1952-53 to 1960-81 rose Unless the capital investment is in­ by only 3 per cent, whereas with this creased, I am afraid the railways may increase the railways have been able not be able to play their role in the to lift more than 17 per cent, of ton­ Third Plan because of the rising In­ nage. dustrialisation in the country. Other­ Similarly, in resect of passenger wise there will be transport bottle­ traffic the Second Plan estimated an necks which will impede necessarily increase of about 15 per cent, of pass­ the growth of industrialisation in the country. enger traffic, but the railways have been able to move more than 25 per cent, of increase in passenger traffic. Several hon. Member have ques­ It is not a small achievement. We tioned the propriety of increasing the have to look at the performance of railway freight. As I said at the out­ the railways from the point of view set, I do not share that view. There of capital invested and the available is a definite pattern of railway freight resources. If we take them together, traffic: there are high-rated commodi­ it cannot be said that the railways ties and low-rated commodities. What have failed in the discharge of their the merchants generally do is that duties. they send low-rated traffic to the rail­ ways and the high-rated traffic goes by road. I can give an instance. Oil The Third Plan estimates that in from Kumool goes by road to Madras the final year of the Third Plan the and the empty barrels are sent back railway freight traffic would go up to to Kumool by rail. The merchant* 245 million originating tons. This feel that by road transport they can appears to be a gross under-estimate. transport their goods more quickly This was pointed out by the previous and also at cheaper, rates whereas it Railway Minister, Shri Jagjivan Ram is not profitable for them to send in his speed). He said: these empty barrels by road; so they take to railways. Railways being a “The Third Plan as finalised common carrier cannot refuse any provides for an upward revision goods that is offered, whether it U in the quantities of coal move­ high rated traffic or low-rated traffic. ment, the setting up of Bokaro The railways have been carrying this 739 Railway VAISAKHA 4, 1884 (.SAKA) Budget—General 740 Discussion low-rated traffic lige good-grains and most of the second class passengers other necessities at very low rates. would be railway pass holders. I feel How long can this happen? that a further scrutiny should be made into this, with a view to seeing Secondly, there is the road-rail whether the second class should not competition. That is why an embargo be removed altogether. There should is put on low-rated traffic and for be only first class and third class, so short distances also. It may be that that we can have additional third class as a result of this increase merchants bogies attached and better amenities may take to road transport for short provided for passengers. distances and for low-rated traffic Year after year I find that railway which would remove congestion to a pay a huge amount towards compen­ certain extent. As explained by the sation for loss of goods consigned to hon. Minister in his speech, this is the railways. In the year 1960-61 the also one of the recommendations of railways paid Rs 3‘61 crores. What the Committee on Transport Policy is it due to? Cannot the railways do and Coordination. This will also re­ something to see that there is no pil­ move the disparity in freight rates ferage? This pilferage occurs at between low-rated traffic and high­ station-yards and also in running rated traffic. trains. Now the Railways Act has been amended and railways have Similarly, Sir, the increase in pass­ enger fares: it is said third class taken up the additional responsibility passenger fares have been increased. as common carrier. They have to Well, there is an increase. But what shoulder the burden and see that about amenities? Amenities are also there is no pilferage of goods con­ being given. All the amenities can­ signed to the railways. Because of not be given in a day. To meet the this pilferage which commonly occurs people generally take to road trans­ growing passenger traffic a number of third class coaches are bein attached port, because there is no risk of loss to trains. In some trains even the of goods in transit; there is quick dining cars are being removed. But delivery; there is also delivery at the there is a limit for the haulage. No place where the consignor or con­ engine can haul more than fourteen signee resides. I know of an instance. coaches. So, we have to look to the A motor transport company from practical difficulties which stand in Bizwada carries goods up to Cuttack, the way of the railways to offer all a distance of more than five hundred’ the amenities that have to be given miles. It is true that the railways at to passengers. present have about 36,000 running miles. But they have to improve the I have a suggestion to make. There conditions and see that they enjoy is a consistent decrease in earnings better confidence among the public. from passengers who travel by second Also, I find that ticketless travel is class. In 1958-59 passengers who increasing year after year. So also is travelled by second class were 119 the incidence of alarm chain pulling. million; in 1959-60 passengers who We find that steps are taken to do travelled by second class were 11 *5 away with this evil. But as yet we million in 1960-61 it came down to find no abatement of it. One reason 11*1 million. Likewise earnings also for this—in spite of the measures have 9 teadily come down. In 1958-59 taken by the railways on their side— earnings from second class fares were is the lack of public co-operation. In Rs. 598 lakhs; in 1959-60 the earnings this matter, public co-operation is came down to Rs. 587 lakhs; in 1960- highly necessary. Recently there 61 they came further down to Rs. 574 was a committee on public co-opera­ lakhs. So, second calss travel does tion appointed by the Ministry. I was not appear to be very popular with a member of that committee. I feel the public; passengers travel by third it is the duty of every member of the class or first class. I also think that public to assist the railways, their 741 Railway APRIL 2 \ U»82 B u d get—G en eral 74* JXscvtoton [Shri Jagan&tha Rao] officers, whenever such instances As regards new lines, I have got to occur. But we find thkt even edu­ make a suggestion. In Orissa, there are cated people and students travel rich coal fields at a place called Tal- without tickets. The co-passengers do cher. Recently the deposits were es­ not take notice of cases of ticketless timated at 15-20 million tons. The travel, much less take any action. distance from Talcher to Rourkela There is a sort of indifference on the where a steel plant is located is about part of the public who feel that they 65 miles. If this distance is covered have nothing to do with this evil. by railway, it will connect also Nor­ They do not feel any sense of natio­ thern India through the Eastern nal loss when there is loss of railway Railway. Thus it would not only property. These are regrettable facts servev the movement of coal from and these are mainly due to lack of Taloher, but it will also help the patriotism among people in the coun­ movement of coal from Bihar Coal­ try today. fields to South India without talcing the longer route via Howrah. Via As regards operational efficiency, Talcher coal can be mould to Visak- I find there is a slight improvement, hapatnam port and reduce conges­ with respect to speed of goods tion on the main line. trains, wagon miles per day etc. But still much more Talcher has also a special impor­ has to be done. There is no limit 10 tance in that we are now going to the attainment of efficiency. Every have a thermal plant there with US attempt should be made to improve collaboration. It will be one of the the operational efficiency year after biggest such plants in South-East year. By past experience the rail­ Asia. So I would request the Railway ways come to know what their Ministry and the Minister in parti­ defects are. They should try to cular to consider this matter and take rectify them. up survey.

Then there is the question of reha­ There is one subject which has bilitation of overage rolling stock. become a hardy annual for me every- The percentages of overage rolling time I speak on railways. This is stock are given. The total stock in about the Light railway. Shri S. V. service as on 31-3-61 is as follows: Ramaswamy knows very well about the Light Railway line which runs Loc >m Hives: Br >a> whether it would reach its destina­ Narrow gauge50-23 ,, tion at all. This railway was opened by the then Maharajra of Parlikemedi Because of this overage rolling stock, in 1900. The engines are as old as accidents also occur. Also passengers the Puranas. The names of the complain of lack of amenities. It is engines are Rama, Sita, Hanuman true that several coaches are very old. and Parasuram . They really belong we do not find even lights or fans in to the puranic age. They are not them. Even the berths in flrst-class replaced. We cannot call It a railway; compartments are not wirth travell­ it is worse than a tramway. At least ing in. So the railways should accele­ the tramcar moves quicker and rate replacements of overage rolling faster. The coaches have no lights, rtock as early as possible. what to apeak of fans. There L* rid 743 ftatiwop VAE8AKHA 4, IBM (SAKA) Budget—General 744 Discussion water provided in the latrine. As the who is not conversant with the intri­ train move*, paweqgers g e t -down jud cacies o f the statistics supplied by than into the train*. Government, I beg to be excused and to be corrected wherever there is a 'What i, this due to? In the South­ flaw in my observations and conclu­ eastern Railway we have got broad sions. g a u g e all over. X have been repeat­ edly requesting the Ministry through In the reports submitted to us, we letters and by speeches in Parliament have been flooded with figures and in these six years that if they cannot tables dealing with kilometres, miles replace these Light railways by etc. These are impressive figures to Broad Gauge, they should at least look at. I find there is a upward replace the old engines by diesel trend in the gross earnings, in tfoe engines. Something has to be done. number of passengers travelling and These Light Railways are also part of in the freight tons carried over the the railway system. As they are, railways. But the question is whe­ even the old Delhi tramways are, I ther these figures, impressive as they feel, much better than these Light are, impress the common man, the Railways. I wish my hon. friend, actual user, whether he is satisfied Shri S. V. Ramaswamy, will once with the performance of the railways. travel by this light Railway. That is the question we have to look into. He is not concerned with the As regards wagon bui ding, there figures; he is not concerned with the is a back-log. It is said that for tables, the long array of figures given want of matching steel, wagon build­ therein. We have to see how far he ing is not going on according to has been satisfied, how far amenities schedule. This may be true. Bat have been provided to him, how far 1 find that tenders are called for and the grievances expressed and short­ they are not accepted. Tenders for comings pointed out in this House the same materials, steel and certain and outside have been redressed, other components, are called for four how far railway journey has been or five times. What is it due to? made more comfortable and morf Does it mean that the parties who attractive and more popular to th«~ tender have not the c a p a c i t y to fulfil common man, the actual user of th- the contract? Or is it that the Rail­ railway. With the growth of th way Board finds that their specifica­ population, there is bound to be an tions are not adhered to? I do not increase in the number of passengers know what is wrong when tenders and the gross earnings of the rail­ are called for the same materials time ways, but the real test will be how after time. The Railway Board could much and how far the passengers are be more vigilant. They should not t#kvelling nowadays. •imply g o on complaining that there is a back-log because of want of If you look at the figures, the matching steel. statistics of the average distance travelled by the passengers, that will Of course, defects are there and are give you a revealing position, but bound to be there in ft developing actually, Table I of the Report sup­ economy like ours where we have • plied to us by the Ministry is silent railway system which has a length of on this particular point. We can cal­ 85,000 running miles or even more. culate the average distance travelled By and large, they are doing their by the passengers easily because it is best. But they should do better. a simple division of the passenger kilometres by the number of 8 )ui Sexbiyan (Perambalnr): I am passengers. We find that in 1966-57 thankful to you for the opportunity the average distance was 40:1 KM; me to speak on the Bailway in 1957-58 it fell to 48-8 KM; in the Budget. As a new Member and one next three years, 1958-59, 1959-60 and IB6 (Ai)XJSD—S. Railway APRIL 24, 1!}62 Budge~General 746 745 Discussion [Shri SezhiyanJ. 1960-61 it was 47' 4, 48: 5 and 48: 4 I do not know how we can charge an respectively. That is, there has been extra fare from the passenger. From a downward trend in the average the passenger's point of view, what distance travelled by the passengers. right or justification have' we got to With the increase in the economic demand an extra fare from him, for and industrial development of the whom we have not done anything country, people are bound to travel at all these years? Together with more, and tl;1ey are actually travel- the taxation proposals in the General ling more, but they are using the Budget, we. are adding an extra railways less. That means the burden on the common 'man by the passengers are not satisfied with the enhancement of the fares. state Of affairs obtaining on the rail- ways. • Now, let us take a general view of the increase in the fares and If we go back to 1939-40 we find freights now proposed in the Railway the average distance travelled by Budget. These increases in fares and passengers on the Indian railways freights are bound to touch off a was 56 KM. The corresponding series ·0£ increases, increases in the figure in 1950-51 was 52 KM. From cost of commodities, in the cost of 56 in 19'39-40 and 52 in 1950'-51 we living, entailing also scarcity of arti- have come to 48' 4 now. That shows cles in certain areas. If some com- how unpopular the Indian railway is modity is sent by rail, the freight with the passengers. That also means charges will not be borne by the that passengers are resorting to other seller. The burden will be passed on modes of transport which are more to the cust-omer, the actual user of comfortable. That means We have the commodity. Therefore, it is the failed the common man in provid- common man who will have to bear' ing him the amenities required these freight charges. and in making the railway system more comfortable, more attractive Actually, in practice, what happens and more popular with the masses. is this. If on a certain commodity, We have not redressed their grie- the freight charges come to 3! or vances, looked into. the shortcom- 42 naye paise, what the seller actually ings of the railway system. That is goes is that he simply rounds it off why passengers are not travelling to five or ten naya paise and passes, more by Railways .as they should it on to the customer or buyer, who- have done. has thus to pay two or three times When we look into the question of the actual increase. the average distance travelled by the passengers, it is not only a question Also, we have to look into one of five or eight kilometres, because other question, that is the food arti- that is only the average. The actual cles that are sent through the rail-: users' of the railways, it is known, ways, especially rice and paddy,' are more than 150 crores, So, if you gram and gram flour, pulses, wheat multiply by that, you can imagine and wheat flour, fruits and fresh. vege- how colossal, how huge the loss that tables, sugar, salt, vegetable and' is incurred by the Government in edible oils, milk and milk products.' passenger earnings, Had there been, The railway is the chief means of" more amenities, had the system been transport available. Especially In more comfortable and attractive for times of- floods and droughts, in times' the common user, the railways could of scarcity and famine; we have to have amassed more earnlngs, but that rush foodgrains and food articles from is not the oase. When the grievances one place to another. There are also of the passengers have not been re- certain areas which, are perpetually dressed, when the shortcomings have deficit in food, to which we have to not been Ieoked into and overcome, constantly move foodgrains and fOQ~; Railway VAISAKHA 4, ~884 (SAKA) Budget-General ,747 '. ~~, Discussion articles. So, when you increase the the scheme is set aside. If we appeal freight charges, in effect it will mean to the Ministry of Railways, they say that you are actually increasing the that' a railway line is not feasible, price of the foodgrains, and the com- will not be profitable in the area, as mon man has to bear the brunt of there is no industrial activity in that this taxation or increase in freights. place. Therefore, we in the South, are Therefore, I request the hen. Minis- caught in a vicious circle. There is 'ter of Railways, through you, Sir, to no transport, therefore no industry take a merciful view and exempt is possible; there is no industry, there- .foodgrains and food ardicles from fore it is not feasible to have a rail- the severity of the increase now con- way line in that area. The net result templated in the Railway Budget. is that a backward area is left back- ward by both the Ministries . . At this point, I would also like to invite attention to the general demand In a socialist pattern of society in the country to exempt foodgrains with a planned economy, the prime and food articles from sales tax. When motive should not be the quantity of there is a demand like that, it is not profit, but it should be the usefulness proper to put an additional burden to tne people. We should not go into like increased freight charges which the question how much profit can be will be transferred to the common amassed by an industry or a scheme. man, The poor man will have to pay We should see how much benefit it for all this. would bring to the people of the area. Therefore, the pr'ime tactor should This increase in fares and freights be usefulness, not profit motive. I dei will have repercussions on the road not say that when an industry is transport industry also. In conson- established or a scheme is drawn up, ancs with the increase in rail fares you should! simply squander the and freights, the bus and lorry opera- money or incur a permanent loss. In tors will also begin to demand more the beginning the scheme may not give fares and freights. Already they are you a profit, but in course of time, in minting money like anything. A btis five or ten years, it may work out or a lorry owner, especially in the fully and satisfactorily. Whenever a South, is becoming more and more backward area is asking for some powerful with the easy money that railway line it should be considered he is making. The present proposal sympathetically and necessary aid comes as a boon to the bus and Iorry and encouragement should be given. 'operators. Unless the Government keeps a check on their rates, it is 15 hrs. bound to have an inflationary effect on I may be allowed to quote a very the fares and freight charges on the 'roads also. high and responsible person who once statad that-

t Coming to the formation of new .lines, in South India we have got "There can be no difference of vast areas and important towns opinion on the view that South where there is industrial potential, and In~d:iais far backward in industrial :which are not in the reach of the rail- development. It is not a political y/ay lines now. Industrialisation has slogan raised for propaganda pur- .been retarded, if not stunted, by the poses; it is a solid fact." paucity .of railway lines. Wheneve~ So said a person of high eminence, new inrtustry is to be located in a 11. who has been a Minister in the Madras particular area, if vre . approach the State and who now 'occupies a very Planning Commission or some other important position in the Cabinet here ~igh authority, we are told there is a150-I mean Shri C. Subramaniam. nocommu.nicatLOn, no proper trans- Now, L'hope the-Minister of Railways port facilities in that place, and so will do something in view of this 749 Railway APRIL M, IMZ Budget— Getters! f j 9 Discussion [Shri Sezhiyan] remark about the backwardness of Bhongir—Macherla (via) Nalgondtafc, South India. Tirupatbur—Krlshnagiri— Dfrvarma- puri. In the first two Five Year Plan*, the hon. Members who have been here from the South joined together, I am giving only a few of the lines irrespective o f their party affiliations that we have been asking for for ao in demanding more railway lines and many years without any effect. more industrial schemes for the South. In the First and Second Five Year We have also to see some of the Plans, they were disappointed not to industrial set-ups that are ooming up in South India, especially, the Nei- get much, nor even the quantity veli Lignite project, the Trichy Boi­ which we would expect for the pro­ ler plant, the Salem Iron and Steel per development o f South India. Even Mills, and also the Tuticorin port, in 1961-62, when 6 or 7 new lines which make advance claims for con­ were opened, not a single line has structing and doubling the broad been given to South India. In the gauge line connecting these 4 impor­ Budget for 1982-63, for new construc­ tant centres of South India. tions, Rs. 56.07 crores have been allot­ ted: but, out of this the Southern Railway has been allotted only Coming to accidents, only this morning we have been given the tra­ Rs. 3:35 crores. I submit how meagre gic news of a very sarious accident. and how paltry the sum allotted to It is a very sad and tragic event. I the Southern Railway is. Especially, would submit that many of the acci­ the Manamadurai-Virudunagar metre dents could have been avoided if pro­ gauge line, the whole scheme is esti­ per maintenance and check-up of the mated to be Rs. 250 lakhs, out of lines and bridges had been under­ which, up .to 1961-62, Rs. 5 lakhs only taken as also the renewal of the old have been spent. In 1962-63, about lines and replacement of the old en­ Rs. 10 lakhs have been allotted for gines had been done in time. It seems the purpose; and the probable date of that the Railway Ministry and the completion is given as 1963-64. I do Railway Board have not been look­ not know how the hon. Minister of ing into the question because in the Railways is going to complete the latest Audit Report, it is given that acheane leaving a balance of Rs. 235 as against a surplus of Rs. 18.43 crores lakhs to be spent in 1963-64. He anticipated in the Budget Estimates would have to provide for this Rs. for the year 1960-61, the actual sur­ 235 lakhs in the 1963-64 Budget and plus amounted to Rs. 32.01 crores. finish the project also in 1963-64 That means that as again&t a certain anticipated surplus they have made a In the South, we require also so larger surplus; the most important; many other lines for the develop­ reasons for these variations are given ment of the country. It has also as “shortfall in working expenses, been voiced by our predecessors here. less expenditure on repairs and main­ To mention only a few, they are— tenance, postponement of periodical Tirunelveli-Kanyaku mari-N agercoil- overhaul o f wagons” etc. That is, the Trivandrum, Trichur-Kollengode, Railway Board and the Railway Min­ istry are having a false sense of eco­ Tellichery—Mysore, nomy. They are penny wise and Karwar—Hospet, pound foolish. They save some money Rayadrug—Chitaldrug, by postponing periodical overturn!, Kottur—Harihar, repairs arid maintenance. Therefore, more chances for accidents are fivtti Satyam&n galam— C hamaraj anagar, by the old-age engines and the non­ Kazipet— Gudur, repair o f railway line*. VAISAKHA * 18M (.SAKA) Budget-General 75a Inclusion I have to bring one more point to of Assam, NET A, the Naga Hills and the attention of the House. I hare Teunsang area, Manipur and Tripura. been given to understand that there Is indiscriminate dismissal of railway It is known to the House that as a employees on charges of political party result of the Partition the railway activities. But the tragedy of it is that communication between this region theee charges are not being sub­ ■and the rest of India was totally cut stantiated; and there is no right of off. A new rail link had to be cons­ appeal for the aggrieved parties. In tructed. At the beginning for several a democratic set-up anybody who is years the rail link was subject to dis­ dismissed from service should be given ruption by monsoons as it had to a reasonable chance of appeal and a traverse through the foothills of (the reasonable chance to exonerate him­ Himalayas. The bulk of the supplies self from the charges made against have to move from Calcutta, North him. But the present policy and pro­ and Western India and this supply cedure of the Railway Ministry seems includes food grains, salt, etc. and to be to take whatever action they want various consumer goods and building against the person without giving him materials like cement, iron etc. As any right of appeal. regards building materials which are so vitally necessary for the plan pro­ With these words I conclude. jects all these things have to be brought by railways from Calcutta and Shri Liladhar Kotoki (Nowgong): other parts. The enhancement of Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, 1 appreciate freight will very adversely affect the tile difficulty which the new Railway economy of this region, particularly Minister had to face, while presenting the implementation of the plan pro­ the Budget enhancing the rates of jects. fares and freights in order to save the railway finance from sure disaster. Sardar Swaran Singh: For the infor­ Sir, the net surplus in 1960-61 was mation of the hon. Member, I may Rs. 32-01 crores which came down to point out that so far as steel and Rs. 16-48 crores in 1961-62. In the cement are concerned they are suppli­ interim Budget presented by his pre­ ed at all rail heads at equalised prices. decessor, Shri Jagjivan Ram, the net surplus was calculated as Rs. 13-10 Shri Liladhar Kotoki: Even so the crores only. Then, it was pointed out increase of freight on other consumer that an amount of Rs. 12'20 crores goods also will affect the implementa­ would be necessary during the current tion of the plan projects to a very year to meet the dearness allowance to large extent and I will request the the railwaymen; and, therefore, the Minister to examine this aspect and net surplus that would have been left, see what relief could be given on unless the resources were augmented, account of the impact of the enhanced would have come to only Rs. 96 lakhs. freight. Therefore, it was a predicament in which the Railway Minister was I shall now confine myself to certain placed. I admire his boldness in at­ peculiar problems of the North-east tempting to save the situation. Frontier Railway. Ever since the zone was created in January 1958, consi­ A t the same time, I am constrained derable progress has been made in to raise my voice of protest against the improving operational efficiency, raising of the fares of third class pas­ stabilising the rail link and construct­ sengers and also against raising the ing the much needed road-cum-rail freight rates in the case o f essential bridge over the Brahmaputra which Is civil supplies, particularly in such nearing completion and several other areas where there is no other mode of improvements for the modernisation transport than the railways. I refer of the stations and construction of to the north eastern region comprising modem mar dialling yards at Gauhati i5) ~aiiway APRIL 24,'1962 Budget-General 754 Discussion tShri Liladhar Kotoki] and other places. Another important the traffic is being gradually diverted thing that this railway has done is the from the inland water transport to' construction of the new line from railways. The reasons are firstly that Rongopara North to North Lakhimpur. tile railway freight is cheaper It is .a very backward area. "Thisline than the steamer, secondly, the steam"', is,proposed to be extended further by er is run by foreign companies and: WO 'miles to Murkongselek touching there is no certainty how long they' the- foothills of 'the NEFA region. WIllcarry on or 'when'they would stop' yYhen.eompjeted, this line will open d'f wh~n they would increase their" out. new vistas' for the economic rates and lastly, it has to pass through: development of this region. I con- Pakistan and we do not know what gratulate the North East Frontier attitude they would take 'at any time Railway fo-rhaving done all this with and they may even prevent any trans-: great speed alnd efficiency port in. their portion of the river;; Brahmaputra 'and that happened But I would like to point out some several times 'during this period and' it- very urgent things that this Railway may happen any time again FOr all' has to examinstand implement. The these reasons the traffic that was being first thing is the urgency for extending carried by the inland water transport the broad gauge line from Siliguri' to is gradually being diverted towards the Gauhati, I amglad that'the construc-: railways. In 1956 the traffic that was tion 'of the broad gauge line froin: carried by the steamer was 8,28,085 Khl]uriagh-at.to' Siliguri isnearilIlg tons In 1957 the increase was & per completion. This will enable direct cent.; in 1958, 18per cent. and in 1959, ' consignment of goods from Calcutta to J3 per cent. On the other hand, in Siliguri, although there is a ferry cros- 1956', railways provided 87,354: sing between Khijuriaghat and wagons; next year: it increased by 12- Fatakka. As soon as the Farakka per cent., in 195.8, by 50 per cent. and' 15arrageis completed we will have a in 1959, by 33 per cent. So, the rail- direct movement from Calcutta to way will have to be prepared to carry Siligurt, But the total traffic between additional traffic which may not in Calcutta and Siliguri is one third of future be carried by the inland water the total traffic that generates at Cal- transport system. cutta; -the other two-thirds move fur- ther into Assam 'and the neighbouring , There is yet another thing=-over- areas. To serve the main area which crowding. We have heard so much ha-sbeen cut off from the rest of India from all sides inside and outside this as a result ,of Partition, this broad- House that the railway has not been gauge line should be extended fur- able to combat this. 'We have only ther as far as Gauhati and thence to two outlets from Assam: one via Tinsukia. Maeriharighatto Calcutta and the other I have certain figures for suggesting via Barauni and Lucknow to Delhi: this course. The inward requirement The number of trains is so small and of wagons towards this region is 830 the capacity of the line is so weak' wagons a day. As against this the that the number of trains cannot be capacity, even after the CTC and other increased. Therefore, there is a heavy improvements are effected, will be overcrowding on each and every only 720 wagons a day. That means train, that even after the centralised traffic control is introduced, which is not yet Therefore, if these matters are look- done, it may not be able to meet the ed into 'and given proper weight, the needs of the wagons during the Third only solution that can be thought of Plan. Again, of the total inward tra- is the extension of the broad gauge ffic of goods about one third is line from Siliguri onwards to Gauhati, borne by the inland water transport and beyond. In this connection, I system. But during the last few years would also suggest that the broad * • & ¥*» VAJSASBA.tt* lifel CSAKA) Budget—(.Jeftetal 7 5 6 D iscussion gauge line between njttibar and m issing link with the Chsparmukh- afa«uoi should be connected which Mairabari line fend thence eonnoetfag •vfftn then give a direct broad gauge Jagi Road and Gaubati. This alter­ connection between the eastern region native line will serve various purposes. add the rest ot India. It will not only raise the economy of the area but open out the Kazinmga Having said this, I would submit for game sanctuary where the rare rhino­ •tflfe consideration of the Railway ceros is found and which attract the Ministry several suggestions, some of foreign tourists. That will help ufe to Which were raised by me during the earn more foreign exchange. T h ere­ general discussion of the railway fore, I would urge on the Railway budget last lear. The hill section Ministry to examine this question also. ■vtfhidh is connected only by rail via Lutnding serves the district of Cachar, With these words, I conclude. thfc State of Tripura and the Mizo Hills district. There is no road con­ Shrimati Lakshmikanthanuna nection even between these regions (Khammam): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, and the rest of Assam. The railway Sir, I support the railway budget pre­ line on this hill section is in such a sented by the Railway Minister. We had condition, that it is better imagin­ were listening to the discussion on *fie ed than described. The trains do not budget since the past few days, and run regularly; the line is blocked from the Opposition benches we heard during the monsoon by landslides. hon. Members asking for more ameni­ The connections from Lumding and ties for passengers, more staff and a other aspects connectd therewith re better administration. They have been quire a lot of careful consideration asking for all these things. A t the and improvement. same time, they have been criticising the increase in freight. Hon, friends The other suggestions that I want in the Opposition benches want the ■to renew are these: the construction music all right, but they do not want of a new line from Pandu to Garo to pay for it! They want free music. Hills, connecting Goalpara. I under­ But I want to ask this question: how stand the traffic survey for this line is it possible? has been completed, and the construc­ tion should, therefore, be taken up as Anyhow, let me not enter into a ■expeditiously as possible. general discussion, having in view the time-factor before me. Let me first of Then, there is the construction of the all place before the Minister my own line from Kalkalighat to Dharma- grievances. The Andhra Government 11 agar in Tripura. It is a distance of has been agitating, and the Andhra 20 miles but the progress does not people have also been perturbed, seem to be very encouraging. This because there has been a cut in coal line should be extended right up to up to 45 per cent. Andhra Pradesh Agartala. The State of Tripura was is supposed to be the granary of India. totally cut off from any rail connec­ The kisan of Andhra is a very hard tion or communication after the Parti­ worker and he produces untiringly tion. This is the only line which can from his land and supplies to the entire serve this State which is very back­ country. There is, of course, the ward. Therefore, I would urge upon wagon shortage in the country, but I the Railway Minister to take up this think special attention should be paid line also with a sense of urgency. to Andhra State especially, the State which is supposed to be the granary I shall conclude after making one and which supplies the needs of the move point. It Is with regard to the country, in the matter of supply o£ construciion e t an alternative line more wagons. f>f late, we have hot from Upper Assam cfet fUlghat. Them been able to get even the fertilisers it «Kta*d«4 OUSftMtihft required for die use of bur kis&nS. In 7 S7 R a ilw a y AFS2L 24, 1962 Budget—General 758: Discussion [Shrimati Lakshmikanthamma] Sindri there were stocks, but due to whole country. Pilgrims from all lack of wagons the fertilisers could not parts of India flock there. That is. be taken to the people. So, that way, yielding a lot of revenue to the rail­ it is going to affect the production of ways because the average number at feodgrains in our country. pilgrims going to the temple at Tiru- pathi is about 6000 and the railway* Apart from this, there are huge coal are getting a good revenue. Up to- fields in Andhra. The Singareni col­ Renigunta, a place six miles from lieries are there, producing about 25 Tirupathi, there is broad gauge. From. lakh tons of coal every year. Then, Renigunta it is only six miles to Tiru­ in the third Plan also, the Government pathi. They can as well connect it is going to invest another Rs. 20 crores with broad gauge. Now there are no to increase the production to 30 lakh direct trains from any part of the tons. What is the use of investing so country to that particular place. Pil­ much and increasing the production grims have to stay at Gudur, a place unless you have the wagons to carry 70 miles from Tirupathi, for very long the commodity to the places neces­ hours. They can only catch a train in*, sary, especially when the industry in the evening to go to that place. If it Andhra is backward? is connected by broad gauge, special bogies can be attached for the con­ There was a cut in power supply venience of the pilgrims. also. If we have to correct the im­ balance between the different States— I have also a personal request to> it has been our aim to do so—we have make. At Khammam, the district to see that more facilities are given to headquarters, the constituency from, Andhra Pradesh, especially in the form where I have been elected, the Grand of supplying coal which can supple­ Trunk Express does not stop. Though ment the needs. When there is a cut it is the district headquarters and there in power, at least it can be substituted are two Members of Parliament, one by the supply of ooal which could be in Rajya Sabha and one here—that 11, used. So, I request the Ministry to myself— keep this point in view.

In 1961, actually, the allotment of An Ron. Member: Therefore the wagons was 2,040, but the actual deli­ train must stop there. very was only 1,7&2. It was now proposed—I do not know how far it Shrimati Lakshmikanthanraaa: is true and I think the Minister will Apart from that—I am not saying that; assure me that there will not be such the train should stop there just a reduction in the supply of wagons— for the sake of two Members to reduce it to 1,100. It will seriously of Parliament—it is also a busi­ handicap the industrial advancement ness centre. At the same time, we of that State. Even the present 2040 can also save time. I say that the Wagons that are supplied is very in­ time of Members of Parliament is also- adequate to maintain the present level precious. of production and development of the State. I would therefore request that, An Ron. Member: Yes. keeping in view all these things, they should be liberal in giving more Shrimati LatahmlkanChamma: We wagons to Andhra Pradesh. have to save our time. We have now to go to the next station, Domakal, to I have got a small suggestion to catch the Grand Tunk Express to go make as regards extension of broad to Delhi or to go back to our consti­ gauge to a particular -place which is tuency headquarters. I hope the hon. one of the biggest pilgrim centres not Minister will keep this in View anff only of Andhra Pradesh but of the we that orders are issued immediately RaiLway VAISAKHA 4, 1884 (SAKA) Budget-GeneraL 759 Discussion to see that the Grand Trunk Express In 1960-61, I think, whereas the capi- stops at Khammam. tal-at-charge was Rs, 1,520 crores, the profit was only about 6 per cent. Comingto more general matters, our Therefore, you can also keep in view hon. friend Shri Jaganatha Rao has the rupee value. There was a fall ill- enlightened us much about the justifi- the rupee value by 1960-61, but still cation for the increase in fares and the percentage of profit that the Gov- freights. I think it also implies an ernment is getting is only 6 per cent. increase in the trade. I can under- Therefore, if you actually calculate it, stand the arguments of the non, Mem- it will be less than what the Govern- bers from the other side, because it ment were getting in 1950-51. has become a habit with them when- ever (}overnment comes forward with Shri Jaganath Rao has also said fresh proposals of taxation. We have about replacement of old engines and also, in a democracy, to educate the bogies by new ones. Where are we to people of their responsibilrties. We get the money for replacement of all should not only talk of providing these things. There is also the ques- more amenities for the passengers, tion of wagon shortage about which providing more facilities, providing we have been talking. We want more more staff, providing them more pay steel, more wagons, more Chittaran-· and allowances and all these things, jans. How can we get all these things. but we should also, at the same time, unless the tax-raper pays the taxes. consider as to who is to bear the v • burden of all these things. Somebody has to pay for it. Many of them have Then, there are two kinds of goods. said that perhaps we need not for five for transport: one is the high-rated more years go to our constituencies for goods and the other is the low-rated getting the votes of our people. But goods. The income from goods traffic' r do not believe in getting mere votes is dependent on the total goods traffic from my people. I want to educate and the proportion of high-rated goods' them as well of their responsibilities traffic in the total traffic. If one ana- which they have to shoulder in a lyses the flow of goods traffic in 1951- democracy, When 90 per cent of the 61 there is no change in the flow of revenue of the railways comes from low-rated goods traffic compared to' the thirdclass passengers, how can the total production of thOse goods. the Minister help taxing the third- In 1950-51 the railways carried 94 per class passengers? Only 10 per cent of cent of coal production. In 1960-6( the revenue is from the upper-class they carried 95 per cent of the coal passengers. Even there, I think, production. There is an appreciable some sort of a socialistic approach has increase in the volume of goods like been introduced, because there is an ir:on and steel, cement etc., But the- high-rated goods such as sugar cotton increase of 15 per cent in the case or upper-class passengers whereas there textileg, oilseeds etc., have sh~wn a~ is only 10 per cent increase in the appreciable decrease in the volume of case of third-class passengers. freight carried on Indian Railways. For cotton, in 1950-51 it was 80 per' Shri Nambiar (Tiruchirapalli) : cent of the total production whereas- There was a 50 per cent cut previous- it was only 38 per cent of the- total ly. At second-class rates we are now production in 1960-61. For sugar it was sending them by first-class. 89 per cent in 1950-51 whereas it was- 50 per cent in 1960-61. For oilseeds it was 72 per cent in 1950-51 and it was Shrimati Lakshmikanthamma: Sir, only 45 per cent in 1960-61 So the in 1950-51 the capital-at-charge was freight is bound to increase, keeping Rs. 827:04 crores as far as the rail- in view the fact that there is a ways were concerned, whereas the decrease in the high-rated goods. actual profit was only about 5 per cent. being carried by the Indian Railways, A P * fL m, :*m . Budo*P-rQ**m* T& DiaevMsian (3 b iixttti LakshmikamharnaoaJ Sir, i have a suggestion to offer staff and, finally, some eaiafsellaaeeua to p ie Government. Xn a planned, matters. .economy the scarce resources should It has been suggested by hoh. Mepn- .be invested in those avenues where the return in the highest. In a deve­ bars who participated earlier in debate that there should be a s>p 6ci&l loping country like India where the committee to g o into the Question o f rate oi realisable return ranges any­ the performance of the railways. As where between 10 per cent to 1# per cent, to remain satisfied with a return you are well aware, Sir, there is a o f 6 per cent as the Railways are Committee of Parliament called the deriving now, appears as a state of Railway Convention Committee whose aSairs where the management is hav­ work synchronises with the proposals ing lefts than necessary wisdom. Under for the Five Year Plan, as this is the these circumstances, it will be ridicu­ time when the whole situation is re­ lous not to allow the railways, the viewed. Apart from this regular and biggest. public enterprise in India, to detailed review of railway finances increase their net revenues. When the which is made at the time of the Operating expenses are displaying an framing of each Plan as well as for increasing tendency and when the the purpose of the successive Railway volume of services are scarce, it is Convention Committee, the question only a matter of wisdom which com­ of effciency of railway working was pels us to increase the price of service also examined in the last Convention without which it may not be possible which met in 1960, as you are all to raise the necessary net revenue, aware, and amongst others by the and sufficient return on the capital Railway Frieght Structure Enquiry invested. In short, we really want Committee of 1056-57 under the the railways should charge a sort of chairmanship of Dr.Ramaswami Muda- shadow price for their services. In liar, consisting of three Members of order to charge a shadow price and Parliament, in addition to experts and to establish a rational relationship one representative each from Com­ "between the cost of the service and merce and Industry and Railway the price of the service, we suggest Ministries. This Committee came to that the railway authorities should the conclusion that the most impor­ undertake detailed cost studies of tant of the physical assets of the rail­ transporting different commodities ways are being used much more effi­ over different distances. ciently in 1957 than they were even as compared to 1952-53. The position is also brought out clearly on pages Shri 8 . V . Ramaarwamy : Mr. Deputy- 52-03 of the review which was circula­ Sipeaker, 2» speakers have participat­ ted along with the budget patters ed in the debate so far, many of These reviews which are now being whom were hew. Many hon. Mem­ published as a regular feature BhaU bers have referred to many matters in ter alia mention the important as­ of local importance, some of general pects of the working of the railways importance; some of them criticised in detail. Probes into the performan­ its and a good many of them passed ces of the railways and their finances remarks favourale to the railway ad­ have also been made from time to ministration. So, it would not be time by teams a t experts deputed by possible for me to deal with the the International Bank for Recons­ criticisms made by each hon. Mem­ truction ad Development (the W orld ber anil to' reply to . each one of those Bank). The Mission of the Canadian points. Broadly, I wisfti to reply sub- Railway experts (toured th»ottibout J act-wise. I wenjld like to deal, first India in SCarohfApril 1961 aad mad*: ■of all with certain economic and fin­ exhaustive investigation into Hum ancial matter*, then matters relating working qt th< railways Iheir •to operation, then matters relating to finances. It was evidently on the Mfe fiattawtr - VAI&AftttA '4, i§t*(SAKA) Budoet—aemml 764 Discussion strength of the satisfactory report of is required to obviate the loan to t&J* Jfiauion that a UirtjMr loan «r General Revanwes of about Ra. M tike World Bonk was given to the Rs, 10 tnwes for the Railway Deve­ Indiatt Railicay* i» 1961- The Com- lopment Fund. raittee an Transport Policy and Co­ As regards the distribution of the ordination under the chairmanship gross profit, my hon. friend Shri of Shri K. C. Neogy is also currently Harish Chandra Mathur drew atten­ •«onducirtg an examination in ter alia tion to the report of the Railway of the performance of the railways. Convention Committee. In para An interim report of this Committee 10 of the report in 1960 it has laid incorporates the results of the exami­ down as to what should be done. nation in regard to railway finances Here I may submit that this Rail­ and railway working generally. The way Convention Committee is a Com­ Estimates Committee have also made mittee of Parliament and the report a detailed enquiry into all aspects of of that Committee was debated upon railway working. With all these and accepted by a Resolution by both channels of enquiry into the working Houses' of Parliament. In para 10 o f the railways, the results of which at page 6 it has stated how the gross come to the notice of Parliament in surplus has to be divided. Dividend the ordinary course, there is no occa­ to general revenues should be at 4 25 sion yet for any special committee. per cent on the capital at charge, The position was quite different when Which would be Rs. 387 crores: se­ the Railway Enquiry Committees condly, a nexpenditure o f Rs. 60 crores were set up in the past in 1947, in on open line works revenue and, 1937 and earlier, as there was then thirdly, Rs. 350 crores as appropria­ no close and continuous examination tion to the Depreciation Reserve Fund of the Railways’ performance such as to cope up with the anticipated level is done in the present context of co­ of withdrawals from this Fund in the ordinated and planned development. Third Plan period. In addition, an expenditure of Rs. 115 crores is con­ templated as works chargeable to the Development Fund which will have TSien I would like to deal with cer­ to be found from the net surplus. To tain financial matters dealt with by the extent that net surplus available my hon. friend, Shri Nambiar. I do is found to be inadequate, it will be not know on what authority my hon. necessary to resort to the expedient friend savs the railways are likely to of taking temporary loans from gene­ collect more than Rs. 21 26 crores ral revenues. This is what is con­ this year on account of increase in tained in para 10 of the Convention friephts and fares. These arc* the Committee Report of 1960. estimates that we have and our Sta­ tistical Department is so efficient that Shri Nambiar: My argument was I feel the figures are almost correct, that you can draw loans but you can­ though there may be a slight margin not increase the freight and fares. this way or that way. Also, Shri Shri Jaganatha Kao: He never pays Nambiar suggested that the gross sur- back his loans. 1 jrftj* o f Rs. 178‘50 crores should conti­ nue. That is not the desire. The pre­ Sluri C. K. Bhattacharym: They teach sent estimated gross traffic receipts of people not to repay. Rss 540-38 crores and ordinary working expense* of Rs. 396*8 crores would Shri g. V. TTninaawini It is .true leave a g ross profit o f Rs. 18S-5« cro­ that the report of the Convention res and not Rs. 178-8 crores. There is Committee of 19S4 provided for loans thii afifttJenal surplus of Rs. 10 beta g taken from the General Jteve- crowa. If this additional sur- rutcs far financing the railways’ Deve­ pktt

Then the question was raised with Another point was made, about the regard to the conversion of metre Inspectorate of Accidents on the Rail- gauge into broad gauge. It is a very ways. Prior to 1940 the Government big question. In 19·57a special officer Inspectorate was functioning directly '-'')<; appointed to go into tills question. under the control of the Railway His terms of reference were "to ill- Board. It was then thought that It vestigate into the question of conver- was not a satisfactory state of aflaira sion of the existing Metre gauge into that a government employee belong- Broad gauge with the object of reduc- ing to the Railway Board itself should' ing the number of transhipment go and examine railway accidents. H points". There were two other points was thought that an independent body of reference which I need not read should function, and that was the rea- here. But in that report the expert S0n why the Inspectorate was placed ruled out the possibi lity of wholesale under the Ministry of Communications, conversion of, the entire metre gauge And ~o far, the Inspectorate under the into broad gauge. But he suggested control of the Ministry of Transport other remedies which We are pursuir.g ano Communications has acted very for instance, raising the track stand~ independently. They ask for inforrna., ards from 60 lb. rail to 70 lb. or 75 lb. tion .. We furnish them with all the' rail on tHe metre guage. Then, the details, and their examination and metre-gauge wagons should hereafter their reports have been thorough. be of the bogie type so that they may carry more quantity, That is why the Then I come to certain staff mat ters.. Railway Board have decided that in Shri Nambiar, again, was saying that: <773 R ailw ay A P R IL M .U M 2 B vdO 0t-~Q***rBl qcj4 DiteuMg^m [Shri S. V. Ramarwamy] people were working for long hours, S h r i s. M. Banerjee: What are feme much m ore than twelve hours, and reasons? •that the time of duty in the case of running staff i8 not counted from the Shrt S. V . Ramaswsunyt For secu­ time of ‘signing on’ to the ‘signing off. rity reasons aiao. It may be mentioned in this connec­ tion that no change in the rules has Shrt S. M Banerjee; There shodld recently been made in this matter. The be no union in that case. rules in fo r c e are based of Justice Shri Nambiar: Security demands no Rajadhyaksha’s recommendations made union. ten years ago. It has been recom­ mended by the Adjudicator, that is Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: The hon. Justice Rajadhyaksha, that runnnig Member can kindly write to me and I duty at a stretch should not exceed will reply. 10 hours and the staff should be en­ titled to claim relief after 12 hours, Shri Frank Anthon / and Shri Harisli provided they have given 2 hours Chandra Mathur said that there would^ notice for relief to the Controller. For ■the purpose of computing duty at a be personal attention to the grievances represented by the staff. We have in stretch, time should be calculated from the Railway Board and in the several the actual departure of the train. Railway Administrations and lower down at the Division level, an estab­ The correct position is that while lishment which deals with these grie­ the time from ‘signing on’ to ‘signing vances, enquires into them and deals off* is taken into account for the pur­ with them at various levels. Shri pose of statutory limit of the hours Frank Anthony suggested that the of work in a week, that is 54 hours per hon. Minister himself should hear in­ week on the average in a month in dividual grievances. It would be im­ the case of continuous worker, for the possible and it would be a super­ -purposes of counting duty at a stretch human task for any Minister where he time is calculated from the actual d e­ has to deal with 11 lakh employees to parture of the train. We are strictly deal with these questions personally. following the rules laid down by that At various levels these are dealt with. Adjudicator, and there is nothing new. Appeals come to the Railway Board. Sometimes, they cr>n;e to the Minister ■Rven there was the other question and they are thoroughly examined and :«bout the recognition o f labour unions. disposed of. And it was stated that the Ministry was partial to somo. There is no par­ One other hon. Member, I think it is tiality at all. Certain norms have Shri Priya Gupta, was not quite happy "been laid down, certain criteria have about the working of the Permanent been laid down for the recognition; Negotiating machinery. I am afraid, I and provided any group or any union must differ from him, because the -satisfies those norms and conditions Permanent Negotiating machinery hi>* ■we have no hesitation in recognising done very good work. I think the it. figures that I give now will satisfy the hon. Member. Shri S. M. Banerjee: May I know •why in the Chittar/tnj&n Locomotives An Hon. Member: The Member 1* that union has not yet been recognii- not here. -ed? That is the only union there, Shri S. V. Hauaiiwamy: That doe* not matter. Shri S. V. Bamaswamy: There are •certain other reasons why it is not Shri Priya Gapti: I am hern. X orecognlaed. wanted an answer on two point*. i t e ' fb&u&v VAl&AU&A i8fc4 (SA K A ) B u d get—General 7 7 6 D iscussion First, there are three tiers of Negoti­ matter ccane^ within tlie ambit of these ating machinery, first tt<-r in the Rail­ restrictions. It cannot be discussed. way Zones*, second in the Railway For example, disciplinary matters and Board level and the third, the Tribu­ subjets like promotions and transfers nal. The Tribunal nevei functions. cannot be discussed here. That is my complaint number one. My second complaint is • . . Shri Priya Gupta: What matters can come? White washing of office Mr. Speaker: Let us have an answer. building and painting of trains and nothing else. A ll the others are indi­ Shri Priya Gupta: One minute, Sir. vidual cases according to them.

Mr. Speaker: Le; Uo have an ans­ Mr. Speaker: Order, order; he wer now. should have the patience .to listen also. Shri Priya Gupta: He has said that it is functioning nicely. 1 wanted another thing. I wanted to tak; Shri Priya Gupta: I have asked for stock of the total P.N.M meetings the replies. held and see how many items have been agreed to and implemented. I Mr. Speaker: He is giving so far wanted figures for five years. It is as he can. not very difficult. Four meetings in a year in the Railway Board level Shri Priya Gupta: It is a vague and four meetings in a year with the reply. General Managers, with eight Rail­ ways: five years’ figures may be taken. Mr. Speaker: He should wait for You will fini that in ihe P.N.M meet­ some time till he has finished it. ing either the answer is “being look­ ed into” or “being looked after”. Shri Priya Gupta: I do follow your Things are not implemented even if Orders. decided over here. Mr. Speaker: He never does it. Mr. Speaker: Order, order; he may kindly resume his seat. An Hon. Member: He never follows Shri Priya Gupta: The hon. Minis­ in practice. ter may kindly reply to these two Shri S. T. Ramaswamy: Then, questions. there was the question of victimisa­ tion of people who participated in the Mr. Speaker: Order, order. strike. As you know, more than 2 lakh people were involved in this. Shri Priya Gupta: Thank you. Pinal figures of action taken are as follows: number of staff dismissed Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: I find from 12...... the data before me that as many as 11,857 subjects were discussed during Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member is the year 1960-61 at various levels at feeling restless about one or two the P.N.M.s on the Railways and 88 questions that he has put. If the hon. per cent of these matters have been Minister can give that answer direct­ settled. Possibly what Shri Priya ly and pointedly and specifically to Gupta is referring to fall under those things he may do it. the other 15 per cent and he is not satisfied I think it has been work­ Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Not now. ing satisfactorily. Also there are cer­ Sir. tain criteria laid down as to what subjects can be discussed. Unless a Mr. Speaker: All right. 196 (A i) LSD—8 . 777 RaiU&du AWUL ,t4 , 3M1 • Bud0rt~&«fcnttt' D iscussion A n B oil Meaaber; That means bo tta» narrow gauge, thare are tfiflesnttt answet. gauges: 2*9 and 2 feet. To .ccwrtn*# .diesel loco* as he su g gests for theee Mr. Speaker: He has said that be narrow gauge lines will be rather cannot give it now. He will have ano­ difficult Because, we are hard put ther opportunity. That finishes the to it to get diesel locos even for noetce matter. Why should there be any gauge and broad .gauge. Anyhow, other question? the matter will be considered and Shri S- V. Ramaswamy: We re­ •vhatever improvements can be nude moved 51 and discharged S. There are will be duly done. six cases pending. That is all the I am thankful to hon. Members. action that has been taken against the strikers in iJhe 1960 strike. Much baa Sbri Bade: Sir, on a point of order, been made of it. As you know, the *317 v ftrefafr if ^ Government took a very very liberal view and took the stand that there %cTT# *1$ I fW f eft 33TTJ should be no bitterness thereafter. 5T3T2- t Then, I come to certain miscellan- fartrnr z q g f t i fe ous points, such as new line's. Almost z ^ s ffa f r every hon. Member has urged new lines for his constituency or his dis­ i 'Tsrsft fa m * v trict or State. As you are well aware, ^sr *oo qrr f i £ z & z the report o f the Third Plan has i,: mentioned certain lines and allocated certain funds for these lines. It is sffcrtT if c also stated there in that the funds are * t fcsrroT w | i err? limited to that extent. Unless more p f r ftFfrw v trre> funds are provided, with all our sympathy, genunie sympathy for % ?rrf? ^ the several requests made from vs EV. ?TM tftT U fJITT all over the country, we would not be able to fulfil them. We ^ fesrnrr | i ?*fr wrr shall examine when necessary these % serfs' ifcrc %• \ o ^ qr: fZT&e tfta? claims. But, as at present, the fa ster funds provided under the Third Five Year Plan being limited, it may be a i f \ £ o <=rro difficult proposition to consider any fosrrar line apart from what the Planning pRTR trqrf^g- Z Z Comission have been good enough to tell us. There was the question of Alnawar-Dandeli line. Two or three %: t z z % z tfb; ftsftar t** ^wr- hon. Members spoke about it. It is a forest railway line which is the pro­ % 5TPRT \ «fr ^ gfr gf rarenq fa has yet been arrived at. When this passes into our hands, we shall see O m n?wr | ^ | .i what improvement can be done. Shri Jaganatha Rao also was men­ tioning about a line in his area. These are all narrow gauge lines. Even In 779 flaffitfttjr VAISA3CHA 4, 188* < SAKA) Budyet—General 780 Discussion $ ? 1 all right. Does it mean that there is no scope for improvement at any level, including set-up of the tribunal Wf : ftrarrlf» w r «r»nr at the top level? *rf £ %ftr ap> II? ortt Mr. Speaker: Nobody would say t ' f r i m t ^ *nfr ft- . . that. There is always room for im­ provement, so far as human agency w®wr w ^ n tt : ^rr eft f% is conccmed. firfaw c *rnrar %' fa? «rft Shri Bateshwar Singh (Giridih): I | tfa »raft % ?RT$3n$ f W f VT IHRft cretitlon would be, since I have also rung the bell, to stop here. | m f¥ ^ff \T 53TT I

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C o u a m WRITTEN ANSWERS TO MEMBERS SWORN 615 QUESTIONS—confd. ORAL ANSWERS TO S .Q . Subject COUTMKS QUESTIONS 615— 59 N o. S.Q. Subject 157. Coal Mines Provident Fund S o - Scheme 666 00 'O M H 132. Non-ferrous metal* 1 158. Death of D .I.G . Police in 133. Export of pharmaceuticals 618-19 Nagaland 6 6 6 -6 7 134. Industrial Estates 619---21 159. Building for A.I.R. in 135. Exports of Indian Coffee . 621---23 Tiruchchirapaili 667 136. Television Station in 160. Working houne in Rayon Bombay 623—25 factories 667-68 137. Code of Discipline 625—29 161. Wage Boards 668 138. Price line 629---32 139. Retrenched Scheduled S.Q. Caste employees 632— 34 N o. 140. Indian tobccco for Russia . 634—37 141. Plan publicity exhibition 637-38 127. Lockers from West Pakistan 668 142. Working hours o f shops in 128. Rural Industrial Estates in Delhi 638---42 Punjab 669 143. Yam prices 642-43 129. Khadi and Village Industries X44. Handloom Cooperative Board in Andhra Pradesh 669-70 Societies 643— 47 130. Khadi 670 145. Kidnapping of a Member of the National Volunteer 131. Indians killed by Pakistanis 670 Force in West Bengal by Pakistanis 647— 50 132. Woman killed by Pakistanis in Jammu and Kashmir 671 146. Raid by Pakistanis 651—54 147. Survey by Tea Board 654-55 133. Public Sector Enterprises . 671-72 134. Aid to Nepal Government S J i.Q . for fire victims 672-73 No. 135. Arrears of Provident Fund 2. Shortage of cotton 656—59 to workers at Kanpur 673 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO 136. Aluminium plants in Madhya QUESTIONS 659— 76 Pradesh 674 137. Financial assistance to Edu­ N o. cational Institutions etc. 148. Inventions Promotion for D.Ps. 674 Scheme 659-60 138. Programme in Urdu 675 149. Indian labourers for Bhutan 660-61 139. Licences for new Industrial 150. Refugees in Wast Bengal projects j 675-76 Camps 66l 140. Firms blacklisted 151. Trade Unions 661-62 STATEMENT BY PRIME 152. Use of atomic energy in MINISTER 676— 82 agriculture, industry and medicine 662-63 The Prime Minister and Minis- 153. Tea processing machineries 663-64 ter o f External Afibixa and 154. Organisation of Asian Eco­ Minister of Atomic Energy nomic Cooperation .j (Shri Jawaharlal Nehru) made statements re : proposed re- 155. Code of Efficiency 665 sumption of nuclear tests by Ijtf. Employees of the former the U.S.A. and »: Airmen Ministry of Rehabilitation . 665 caputred by Naga hoaitles. [Daily Diobr] W 8eo

Columns Coldm ni CALLING ATTENTION TO MESSAGE FROM RAJVA MATTER OF URGENT SABHA PUBLIC IMPORTANT 682-84 Secretary reported a message from Rajya Sabha that at its Shrimati Renu Chakravartty sitting held on the 19th April, 2,'Ra}ya Sa'b'na 'nad passed nister of Home Affairs to the the Drugs (Amendment) BUI, continuing disturbances ir1 the Bill, 1962. border areas of Maldah dis­ trict in West Bengal. BILLS PASSED BY RAJYA SABHA—LAID ON THE The Minister of Home A/®*1™ T A B L E .... 687 - 8 * (Shri Lai Bahadur Sashjtri ) Secretary laid on the Table made a statement in regard the Drugs (Amend* thereto. ment) Bill, 1962, as passed by Rajya Sabha. STATEMENT BY MINISTER 6*8 -91 PAPERS LAID ON T«* The Deputy Minister in the TABLE . Ministry of Railways (Shri S. V. Ra mas wain y) made a (1) A copy o f Order No. 18(1)* statement re : Railway acci­ CLIV/60, dated the 24th dent at level crossing near March, 1962, under sub-sec­ Dhanbad c n the 23rd April, tion (4) o f section 89 o f the 1962. Companies Act, 1956. RAILWAY BUDGET- (2) A copy of the Khadi and GENERAL DICUSSION 6*1- 7# Village Industries Contmis- sion (Third A m e n d m e n t) General Discussion on the Bud­ Rules, 1962 published in get (Railways), 1962-63 was resumed and not concluded. Notification No. G .S.R. 445< dated the 7th April, 196a, AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY, under sub-section (3) o f se<> tion 26 o f the Khadi and Vil­ x m , 25, 5, i 884(SAKA) lage Industries Commission Act, I9 j 6. General Discussion on Railway Budget to continue.

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