Program/Concentration Revision Form
(2019) 1.0 Degree Title 2.0 Administering Faculty or GPS Specify the two degrees for concurrent degree programs Science Bachelor of Science
Offering Faculty & Department 1.1 Major (Subject/Discipline) (30-char. max.) Science, offered jointly by Atmospheric and Oceanic Earth System Science Sciences, Earth and Planetary Sciences, and Geography
3.0 Effective Term of revision or retirement 1.2 Concentration (Option) Please give reasons in 5.0 “Rationale” in the case If applicable (30 char. max.) of retirement (Ex. Sept. 2019 or 201909) Retirement
Term: Sept. 2021
4.0 Existing Credits/CEUs Proposed Credits/CEUs 57 57
1.3 Category 5.0 Rationale for revised program – explain why revising These changes are needed to keep the Major Earth System Science up to date with current course offerings. Faculty Program (FP) Honours (HON) x Major Joint Honours Courses recently retired or not offered for several years Joint Major Component (HC) are removed: ATOC 530, EPSC 542, EPSC 580, GEOG Internship/Co-op 306, GEOG 307, GEOG 350, GEOG 382, GEOG 406. Major Concentration (CON) New courses are added: GEOG 314, GEOG 414, EPSC Minor Thesis (T) 525. ATOC and PHYS offerings are expanded: ATOC Minor Concentration (CON) Non-Thesis (N) 312, ATOC 404, PHYS 404. Other To offer timetable flexibility, a choice of MATH 203 or Please specify EPSC 340 is offered, as is a choice of COMP 208 or COMP 202. Required credits and complementary credit are re-balanced as a result. 1.4 Complete Program Title (info from boxes 1.0+1.1+1.2+1.3) B.Sc. Earth System Science Major
6.0 Revised Program Description (Maximum 150 words) – if revising, the existing must be included
Earth System Science (ESYS) views Earth as a single integrated system that provides a unifying context to examine the interrelationships between all components of the Earth system. The approach concentrates on the nature of linkages among the biological, chemical, human, and physical subsystems of the Earth. Earth System Science primarily involves studying the cycling of matter and energy through the atmosphere, biosphere, cryosphere, exosphere, and hydrosphere. It examines the dynamics and interrelationships among these processes at time scales that range from billions of years to days, and seeks to understand how these interrelationships have changed over time
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7.0 List of existing program and proposed program
Existing program (list courses as follows: Subj Code/Crse Num, Proposed program (list courses as follows: Subj Code/Crse Title, Credit Weight, under the headings of: Required Courses, Num, Title, Credit Weight, under the headings of: Required Complementary Courses, Elective Courses) Courses, Complementary Courses, Elective Courses)
Required Courses (24 credits) Required Courses (18 credits) COMP 202 Foundations of Programming (3 cr.) ENVR 201 Society, Environment and Sustainability (3 cr.) ENVR 201 Society, Environment and Sustainability (3 cr.) ESYS 200 Earth System Processes (3 credits) ESYS 200 Earth System Processes (3 cr.) ESYS 300 Investigating the Earth System (3 credits) ESYS 300 Investigating the Earth System (3 cr.) ESYS 301 Earth System Modelling (3 credits) ESYS 301 Earth System Modelling (3 cr.) ESYS 500 Earth System Applications (3 credits) ESYS 500 Earth System Applications (3 cr.) MATH 222 Calculus 3 (3 credits) MATH 203 Principles of Statistics 1 (3 cr.) MATH 222 Calculus 3 (3 cr.) Complementary Courses (39 credits)
Complementary Courses (33 credits) One of the following two courses: EPSC 340 Earth and Planetary Inference (3 credits) One of the following two courses: MATH 203 Principles of Statistics 1 (3 cr.) ATOC 214 Introduction: Physics of the Atmosphere (3 cr.) ATOC 219 Introduction to Atmospheric Chemistry (3 cr.) One of the following two courses: COMP 202 Foundations of Programming (3 cr.) One of the following two courses: COMP 208 Computer Programming for Physical Sciences EPSC 210 Introductory Mineralogy (3 cr.) and Engineering (3 cr.) EPSC 220 Principles of Geochemistry (3 cr.) One of the following two courses: One of the following two courses: ATOC 214 Introduction: Physics of the Atmosphere (3 cr.) GEOG 306 Raster Geo-Information Science (3 cr.) ATOC 219 Introduction to Atmospheric Chemistry (3 cr.) GEOG 308 Principles of Remote Sensing (3 cr.) One of the following two courses: One of the following two courses: EPSC 210 Introductory Mineralogy (3 credits) ENVR 200 The Global Environment (3 credits) EPSC 220 Principles of Geochemistry (3 credits) GEOG 203 Environmental Systems (3 credits) One of the following two courses: One of the following two courses: GEOG 308 Principles of Remote Sensing (3 credits) BIOL 215 Introduction to Ecology and Evolution (3 credits) GEOG 314 Geospatial Analysis (3 credits) ENVR 202 The Evolving Earth (3 credits) One of the following two courses: One of the following courses: ENVR 200 The Global Environment (3 credits) ANTH 339 Ecological Anthropology (3 credits) GEOG 203 Environmental Systems (3 credits) GEOG 217 Cities in the Modern World (3 credits) GEOG 221 Environment and Health (3 credits) One of the following two courses: GEOG 300 Human Ecology in Geography (3 credits) BIOL 215 Introduction to Ecology and Evolution (3 credits) GEOG 310 Development and Livelihoods (3 credits) ENVR 202 The Evolving Earth (3 credits) GEOG 382 Principles Earth Citizenship (3 credits) One of the following courses: GEOG 406 Human Dimensions of Climate Change (3 ANTH 339 Ecological Anthropology (3 credits) credits) GEOG 217 Cities in the Modern World (3 credits) 15 credits from the following course list, with at least 3 GEOG 221 Environment and Health (3 credits) credits from each of subject codes ATOC, EPSC, and GEOG 300 Human Ecology in Geography (3 credits) GEOG. At least 9 of the 15 credits must be at the 400 level GEOG 310 Development and Livelihoods (3 credits) or higher. 15 credits from the following course list, with at least 3 credits from each of subject codes ATOC, EPSC, and Note: Courses at the 300 level or higher in other GEOG. At least 9 of the 15 credits must be at the 400 level departments in the Faculties of Science and Engineering or higher. may also be used as complementary credits, with the permission of an academic adviser. Please see the list posted Note: Courses at the 300 level or higher in other on the Departmental web page. departments in the Faculties of Science and Engineering may also be used as complementary credits, with the ATOC 215 Oceans, Weather and Climate (3 credits) permission of an academic adviser. ATOC 309 Weather Radars and Satellites (3 credits) ATOC 315 Thermodynamics and Convection (3 credits) ATOC 215 Oceans, Weather and Climate (3 credits) ATOC 309 Weather Radars and Satellites (3 credits) ATOC 312 Rotating Fluid Dynamics (3 credits) ATOC 315 Thermodynamics and Convection (3 credits) ATOC 404 Climate Physics (3 credits)
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7.0 List of existing program and proposed program
Existing program (list courses as follows: Subj Code/Crse Num, Proposed program (list courses as follows: Subj Code/Crse Title, Credit Weight, under the headings of: Required Courses, Num, Title, Credit Weight, under the headings of: Required Complementary Courses, Elective Courses) Courses, Complementary Courses, Elective Courses)
ATOC 512 Atmospheric and Oceanic Dynamics (3 credits) ATOC 512 Atmospheric and Oceanic Dynamics (3 credits) ATOC 513 Waves and Stability (3 credits) ATOC 513 Waves and Stability (3 credits) ATOC 515 Turbulence in Atmosphere and Oceans (3 ATOC 515 Turbulence in Atmosphere and Oceans (3 credits) credits) ATOC 519 Advances in Chemistry of Atmosphere (3 ATOC 519 Advances in Chemistry of Atmosphere (3 credits) credits) ATOC 521 Cloud Physics (3 credits) ATOC 521 Cloud Physics (3 credits) ATOC 525 Atmospheric Radiation (3 credits) ATOC 525 Atmospheric Radiation (3 credits) ATOC 530 Paleoclimate Dynamics (3 credits) ATOC 531 Dynamics of Current Climates (3 credits) ATOC 531 Dynamics of Current Climates (3 credits) ATOC 540 Synoptic Meteorology 1 (3 credits) ATOC 540 Synoptic Meteorology 1 (3 credits) ATOC 541 Synoptic Meteorology 2 (3 credits) ATOC 541 Synoptic Meteorology 2 (3 credits) BIOL 308 Ecological Dynamics (3 credits) BIOL 308 Ecological Dynamics (3 credits) BIOL 309 Mathematical Models in Biology (3 credits) BIOL 309 Mathematical Models in Biology (3 credits) BIOL 310 Biodiversity and Ecosystems (3 credits) BIOL 310 Biodiversity and Ecosystems (3 credits) BIOL 432 Limnology (3 credits) BIOL 432 Limnology (3 credits) BIOL 434 Theoretical Ecology (3 credits) BIOL 434 Theoretical Ecology (3 credits) BIOL 441 Biological Oceanography (3 credits) BIOL 441 Biological Oceanography (3 credits) BIOL 465 Conservation Biology (3 credits) BIOL 465 Conservation Biology (3 credits) BIOL 540 Ecology of Species Invasions (3 credits) BIOL 540 Ecology of Species Invasions (3 credits) BIOL 573 Vertebrate Palaeontology Field Course (3 credits) BIOL 573 Vertebrate Palaeontology Field Course (3 credits) BREE 217 Hydrology and Water Resources (3 credits) BREE 217 Hydrology and Water Resources (3 credits) BREE 319 Engineering Mathematics (3 credits) BREE 319 Engineering Mathematics (3 credits) BREE 509 Hydrologic Systems and Modelling (3 credits) BREE 509 Hydrologic Systems and Modelling (3 credits) BREE 510 Watershed Systems Management (3 credits) BREE 510 Watershed Systems Management (3 credits) BREE 515 Soil Hydrologic Modelling (3 credits) BREE 515 Soil Hydrologic Modelling (3 credits) BREE 533 Water Quality Management (3 credits) BREE 533 Water Quality Management (3 credits) ECON 347 Economics of Climate Change (3 credits) ECON 347 Economics of Climate Change (3 credits) ECON 405 Natural Resource Economics (3 credits) ECON 405 Natural Resource Economics (3 credits) EPSC 212 Introductory Petrology (3 credits) EPSC 212 Introductory Petrology (3 credits) EPSC 320 Elementary Earth Physics (3 credits) EPSC 320 Elementary Earth Physics (3 credits) EPSC 331 Field School 2 (3 credits) EPSC 331 Field School 2 (3 credits) EPSC 334 Invertebrate Paleontology (3 credits) EPSC 334 Invertebrate Paleontology (3 credits) EPSC 340 Earth and Planetary Inference (3 credits) EPSC 340 Earth and Planetary Inference (3 credits) EPSC 341 Field School 3 (3 credits) EPSC 341 Field School 3 (3 credits) EPSC 350 Tectonics (3 credits) PRE REQ EPSC 303 EPSC 350 Tectonics (3 credits) EPSC 355 Sedimentary Geology (3 credits) EPSC 355 Sedimentary Geology (3 credits) EPSC 423 Igneous Petrology (3 credits) EPSC 423 Igneous Petrology (3 credits) EPSC 425 Sediments to Sequences (3 credits) EPSC 425 Sediments to Sequences (3 credits) EPSC 445 Metamorphic Petrology (3 credits) EPSC 445 Metamorphic Petrology (3 credits) EPSC 452 Mineral Deposits (3 cr) EPSC 452 Mineral Deposits (3 cr) EPSC 519 Isotopes in Earth & Environmental Science (3 cr) EPSC 519 Isotopes in Earth & Environmental Science (3 cr) EPSC 525 Microbiology of the Earth System (3 cr.) EPSC 530 Volcanology (3 credits) EPSC 530 Volcanology (3 credits) EPSC 542 Chemical Oceanography (3 credits) EPSC 549 Hydrogeology (3 credits) EPSC 549 Hydrogeology (3 credits) EPSC 561 Ore-forming Processes (3 credits) EPSC 561 Ore-forming Processes (3 credits) EPSC 567 Advanced Volcanology (3 credits) EPSC 567 Advanced Volcanology (3 credits) EPSC 590 Applied Geochemistry Seminar (3 credits) EPSC 580 Aqueous Geochemistry (3 credits) GEOG 272 Earth's Changing Surface (3 credits) EPSC 590 Applied Geochemistry Seminar (3 credits) GEOG 305 Soils and Environment (3 credits) GEOG 272 Earth's Changing Surface (3 credits) GEOG 321 Climatic Environments (3 credits) GEOG 305 Soils and Environment (3 credits) GEOG 322 Environmental Hydrology (3 credits) GEOG 307 Socioeconomic Applications of GIS (3 credits) GEOG 321 Climatic Environments (3 credits) GEOG 322 Environmental Hydrology (3 credits) GEOG 350 Ecological Biogeography (3 credits)
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7.0 List of existing program and proposed program
Existing program (list courses as follows: Subj Code/Crse Num, Proposed program (list courses as follows: Subj Code/Crse Title, Credit Weight, under the headings of: Required Courses, Num, Title, Credit Weight, under the headings of: Required Complementary Courses, Elective Courses) Courses, Complementary Courses, Elective Courses)
GEOG 351 Quantitative Methods (3 credits) GEOG 351 Quantitative Methods (3 credits) GEOG 372 Running Water Environments (3 credits) GEOG 372 Running Water Environments (3 credits) GEOG 401 Socio-Environmental Systems: Theory and GEOG 401 Socio-Environmental Systems: Theory and Simulation (3 credits) Simulation (3 credits) GEOG 470 Wetlands (3 credits) GEOG 414 Advanced Geospatial Analysis (3 credits) GEOG 495 Field Studies - Physical Geography (3 credits) GEOG 470 Wetlands (3 credits) GEOG 499 Subarctic Field Studies (3 credits) GEOG 495 Field Studies - Physical Geography (3 credits) GEOG 505 Global Biogeochemistry (3 credits) GEOG 499 Subarctic Field Studies (3 credits) GEOG 506 Advanced Geographic Information Science (3 GEOG 505 Global Biogeochemistry (3 credits) credits) GEOG 506 Advanced Geographic Information Science (3 GEOG 523 Global Ecosystems and Climate (3 credits) credits) GEOG 530 Global Land and Water Resources (3 credits) GEOG 523 Global Ecosystems and Climate (3 credits) GEOG 535 Remote Sensing and Interpretation (3 credits) GEOG 530 Global Land and Water Resources (3 credits) GEOG 536 Geocryology (3 credits) GEOG 535 Remote Sensing and Interpretation (3 credits) GEOG 537 Advanced Fluvial Geomorphology (3 credits) GEOG 536 Geocryology (3 credits) GEOG 550 Historical Ecology Techniques (3 credits) GEOG 537 Advanced Fluvial Geomorphology (3 credits) MATH 314 Advanced Calculus (3 credits) GEOG 550 Historical Ecology Techniques (3 credits) MATH 315 Ordinary Differential Equations (3 credits) * MATH 314 Advanced Calculus (3 credits) MATH 317 Numerical Analysis (3 credits) MATH 315 Ordinary Differential Equations (3 credits) * MATH 319 Introduction to Partial Differential Equations (3 MATH 317 Numerical Analysis (3 credits) credits) MATH 319 Introduction to Partial Differential Equations (3 MATH 323 Probability (3 credits) credits) MATH 326 Nonlinear Dynamics and Chaos (3 credits) MATH 323 Probability (3 credits) MATH 423 Applied Regression (3 credits) MATH 326 Nonlinear Dynamics and Chaos (3 credits) MATH 437 Mathematical Methods in Biology (3 credits) MATH 423 Applied Regression (3 credits) MATH 447 Introduction to Stochastic Processes (3 credits) MATH 437 Mathematical Methods in Biology (3 credits) MATH 525 Sampling Theory and Applications (4 credits) MATH 447 Introduction to Stochastic Processes (3 credits) NRSC 540 Socio-Cultural Issues in Water (3 credits) MATH 525 Sampling Theory and Applications (4 credits) PHYS 331 Topics in Classical Mechanics (3 credits) NRSC 540 Socio-Cultural Issues in Water (3 credits) PHYS 340 Majors Electricity and Magnetism (3 credits) PHYS 331 Topics in Classical Mechanics (3 credits) PHYS 342 Majors Electromagnetic Waves (3 credits) PHYS 340 Majors Electricity and Magnetism (3 credits) PHYS 432 Physics of Fluids (3 credits) PHYS 342 Majors Electromagnetic Waves (3 credits) PHYS 404 Climate Physics (3 credits) * MATH 315 is a required course for the B.Sc. Honours PHYS 432 Physics of Fluids (3 credits) Earth System Science. * MATH 315 is a required course for the B.Sc. Honours Earth System Science.
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Program/Concent ration Revision Form P2-5 Re: Cleanup of ESYS -ATOC courses William Minarik, Dr.
Thanks for the news -and congratulations, Tim (not sure if I'd heard this and forgot...)
I'll send you and Carolina the revised ESYS major description, incorporating your suggestions.
Cheers, Bill -- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik
From: Daniel Kirshbaum, Prof.
Hi Bill,
Unfortunately, the term keeps going strong, but things should start to wind down slightly this week.
Just FYI, I probably should let you know that AOS is under the (relatively) new management structure below:
Chair: me GPD: Andi Zuend UPD: Carolina Dufour
So, you might want to include them in future inquiries (and drop Tim, who is currently on sabbatical).
About the ESYS course list, I recommend adding
ATOC 312 ATOC 404 ATOC 548 ATOC 558 ATOC 568
I have no suggestion for deletion. Although AOS hasn’t offered ATOC 530 since I arrived in 2011, and I don’t know if/when we’ll ever offer it again, I’m not sure we want to formally retire it just yet.
Best regards, Dan
> On Dec 17, 2020, at 10:19 AM, William Minarik, Dr.
RE: Consultation request: retirement of GEOG 306 and GEOG 307 Nigel Roulet, Prof. Tue 2020-12-22 4:28 PM Forward Yes Nigel did misunderstand this. So as soon as the AC approves the Geography changes I assume you would drop 306/307 and add in the new integrated GIS course – GEOG 342 (I think).
From: Jeanne Paquette, Dr.
Hello Bill
Our goal is to update the ESS program once the change of GEOG 306/GEOG 307 is approved by the Academic Committee. Did Nigel misunderstand this? In any case, this is not the formal consultation, just collecting suggestions for updates.
I propose that I show Eric how to fill the program revision form in early January, and that we include the omissions and most of the updates suggested so far. Generally, we should avoid making the list longer.
Once the changes to GEOG 306/GEOG 307 are formally submitted to AC, we do one round of consultation for the ESS programs (an official consultation form is added to the program revision forms - - Honours and Major).
It's good practice to do this type of housekeeping periodically. Maybe the benefits will be clearer to Nigel once he sees the list of outdated courses (or rarely offered courses) that are struck out from the current program description on the program revision form...
Regards,
Jeanne Paquette Associate Professor Director of Undergraduate Studies in Earth & Planetary Sciences
Department of Earth & Planetary Sciences McGill University 3450 University Street Montreal, QC H3A 2A7
Fax:514-398-4680 Phone:514-398-4402 e-mail: [email protected] Office: Frank Dawson Adams, FDA214
From: William Minarik, Dr.
Hi Jeanne:
Nigel wants us to wait on GEOG 306/307. This might cause trouble if the ESYS descriptions in the new Course Calendar isn't updated to reflect the new GEOG numbering...
Is it worth it just for the COMP 208 addition?
Cheers,
Bill
-- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik
From: Nigel Roulet, Prof.
No it is just one of timing
From: William Minarik, Dr.
Hi Nigel:
Thanks for the update; it was Ben Forest's request for ESYS consultation that prompted the ESYS revision; do you think that the approval is in question?
Any new physical Geography courses that should be added to the ESYS complementary course list, in your opinion?
Cgeers,
Bill
-- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik
From: Nigel Roulet, Prof.
I have included Bernhard on this reply.
See below.
From: William Minarik, Dr.
Hi All (I've added Nigel to the cc: list):
In addition to the GEOG 306/307 replacement in the Earth System Science major requirements, I'll be adding COMP 208 as an alternative to COMP 202.
This is fine – we are redesigning the GIS program so 306 and 307 will be replaced with a new course, but until it is approved best keep the current numbering.
I was also wondering about:
GEOG 350 Ecological Biogeography and GEOG 536 Geocryology
It is unlikely 350 will be offered anytime in the near futre. GEOG 536 could depending on the new geomorph hire.
They don't seem to have been offered for the last several years -will they be again?
Cheers,
Bill
-- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik
From: William Minarik, Dr.
Hello Ben:
I've not heard any objections, and I wanted to get this to you as soon as possible, so here it is, signed.
This change has prompted a 'clean up' of the complementary course list in the ESYS major. Would you (or Michelle) be able to send to me the courses offered by GEOG in the 2021-2022 academic year? Are you aware of any course retirements, perhaps prompted by instructor retirements, that are already in the works, even if the full course list isn't complete?
Thanks, Bill
-- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik
From: Benjamin Forest, Prof.
Hi Jeff and William,
I just wanted to touch base with you to see if you had any questions about this change.
Best,
Ben ——
Hi Jeff and William,
I am writing you because GEOG 306 and/or GEOG 307 are a required or complementary course in one or more of your programs, and we are proposing to retire both classes.
Bachelor of Science (B.Sc.) - Honours Earth System Science Bachelor of Science (B.Sc.) - Major Earth System Science
The changes are part of the restructuring of our department’s BSc and BA minor programs in Geographic Information Science/Remote Sensing. (See attachment for the full details.) The proposed revision replaces the parallel structure of GEOG 306 and GEOG 307 with a sequential structure of GEOG 314 and GEOG 414.
Consequently, we would suggest replacing GEOG 306 and/or GEOG 307 with GEOG 314.
New Courses:
GEOG 314: Geospatial Analysis GEOG 414: Advanced Geospatial Analysis
Course Retirements:
GEOG 306: Raster Geo-Information Science GEOG 307: Socioeconomic Applications of GIS
Please let me know if you have any questions. Otherwise, I would appreciate if you could complete the attached consultation form and return it to me by December 17, 2020.
Best wishes,
Ben
——
Benjamin Forest Associate Professor | Professeur agrégé Undergraduate Affairs Chair | Chaire affaires de premier cycle
Department of Geography | Département de géographie Member, Centre for the Study | Chercheur, Centre pour l'étude de la of Democratic Citizenship (CSDC) | citoyenneté démocratique (CÉCD) Associate Member, Department of | Membre associé, département de Political Science | science politique
McGill University | Université McGill Department of Geography | Département de géographie 805 Sherbrooke Street West | 805, rue Sherbrooke Ouest Montreal, Quebec H3A 0B9 | Montréal (Quebec) H3A 0B9 Canada | Canada
Tel/Tél: 514-398-4953 Fax/Téléc: 514-398-7437
Email/Courriel: [email protected] Web: www.benjaminforest.info
RE: Consultation request: retirement of GEOG 306 and GEOG 307 Nigel Roulet, Prof.
From: Jeanne Paquette, Dr.
Hello Bill
Our goal is to update the ESS program once the change of GEOG 306/GEOG 307 is approved by the Academic Committee. Did Nigel misunderstand this? In any case, this is not the formal consultation, just collecting suggestions for updates.
I propose that I show Eric how to fill the program revision form in early January, and that we include the omissions and most of the updates suggested so far. Generally, we should avoid making the list longer.
Once the changes to GEOG 306/GEOG 307 are formally submitted to AC, we do one round of consultation for the ESS programs (an official consultation form is added to the program revision forms - - Honours and Major).
It's good practice to do this type of housekeeping periodically. Maybe the benefits will be clearer to Nigel once he sees the list of outdated courses (or rarely offered courses) that are struck out from the current program description on the program revision form...
Regards,
Jeanne Paquette Associate Professor Director of Undergraduate Studies in Earth & Planetary Sciences
Department of Earth & Planetary Sciences McGill University 3450 University Street Montreal, QC H3A 2A7
Fax:514-398-4680 Phone:514-398-4402 e-mail: [email protected] Office: Frank Dawson Adams, FDA214
From: William Minarik, Dr.
Hi Jeanne:
Nigel wants us to wait on GEOG 306/307. This might cause trouble if the ESYS descriptions in the new Course Calendar isn't updated to reflect the new GEOG numbering...
Is it worth it just for the COMP 208 addition?
Cheers,
Bill
-- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik
From: Nigel Roulet, Prof.
No it is just one of timing
From: William Minarik, Dr.
Hi Nigel:
Thanks for the update; it was Ben Forest's request for ESYS consultation that prompted the ESYS revision; do you think that the approval is in question?
Any new physical Geography courses that should be added to the ESYS complementary course list, in your opinion?
Cgeers,
Bil -- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik
From: Nigel Roulet, Prof.
I have included Bernhard on this reply.
See below.
From: William Minarik, Dr.
Hi All (I've added Nigel to the cc: list):
In addition to the GEOG 306/307 replacement in the Earth System Science major requirements, I'll be adding COMP 208 as an alternative to COMP 202. This is fine – we are redesigning the GIS program so 306 and 307 will be replaced with a new course, but until it is approved best keep the current numbering.
I was also wondering about:
GEOG 350 Ecological Biogeography and GEOG 536 Geocryology
It is unlikely 350 will be offered anytime in the near futre. GEOG 536 could depending on the new geomorph hire.
They don't seem to have been offered for the last several years -will they be again?
Cheers,
Bill -- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik
From: William Minarik, Dr.
Hello Ben:
I've not heard any objections, and I wanted to get this to you as soon as possible, so here it is, signed.
This change has prompted a 'clean up' of the complementary course list in the ESYS major. Would you (or Michelle) be able to send to me the courses offered by GEOG in the 2021-2022 academic year? Are you aware of any course retirements, perhaps prompted by instructor retirements, that are already in the works, even if the full course list isn't complete?
Thanks, Bill -- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik
From: Benjamin Forest, Prof.
Hi Jeff and William, I just wanted to touch base with you to see if you had any questions about this change.
Best,
Ben ——
Hi Jeff and William,
I am writing you because GEOG 306 and/or GEOG 307 are a required or complementary course in one or more of your programs, and we are proposing to retire both classes.
Bachelor of Science (B.Sc.) - Honours Earth System Science Bachelor of Science (B.Sc.) - Major Earth System Science
The changes are part of the restructuring of our department’s BSc and BA minor programs in Geographic Information Science/Remote Sensing. (See attachment for the full details.) The proposed revision replaces the parallel structure of GEOG 306 and GEOG 307 with a sequential structure of GEOG 314 and GEOG 414.
Consequently, we would suggest replacing GEOG 306 and/or GEOG 307 with GEOG 314. New Courses: GEOG 314: Geospatial Analysis GEOG 414: Advanced Geospatial Analysis
Course Retirements:
GEOG 306: Raster Geo-Information Science GEOG 307: Socioeconomic Applications of GIS
Please let me know if you have any questions. Otherwise, I would appreciate if you could complete the attached consultation form and return it to me by December 17, 2020.
Best wishes,
Ben
——
Benjamin Forest Associate Professor | Professeur agrégé Undergraduate Affairs Chair | Chaire affaires de premier cycle
Department of Geography | Département de géographie Member, Centre for the Study | Chercheur, Centre pour l'étude de la of Democratic Citizenship (CSDC) | citoyenneté démocratique (CÉCD) Associate Member, Department of | Membre associé, département de Political Science | science politique
McGill University | Université McGill Department of Geography | Département de géographie 805 Sherbrooke Street West | 805, rue Sherbrooke Ouest Montreal, Quebec H3A 0B9 | Montréal (Quebec) H3A 0B9 Canada | Canada
Tel/Tél: 514-398-4953 Fax/Téléc: 514-398-7437
Email/Courriel: [email protected] Web: www.benjaminforest.info ======Fw: ESYS complementary courses William Minarik, Dr.
No they will not be taught and we should get them off the books
From: William Minarik, Dr.
Hi Nigel:
As we're going through the ESYS complementary course list (pruning Al Mucci's courses, since he's now retired), and: what about GEOG 406 and GEOG 382? Will they be taught again in the near future?
The reason to prune them if they are not, is to make advising and student planning easier -they know what courses are likely offered within the next year or so. These courses can always be added back into the list once they are taught again. I also approve additions informally if the courses are offered with shorter notice.
Curious, Bill -- William Minarik The Earth System Science program Geochemistry and Laser Ablation Mass Spectrometry Earth & Planetary Sciences, McGill University 3450 University Street, Montreal, CANADA H3A 0E8 Phone: (514) 398-2596; FAX (514) 398-4680 Office: Frank Dawson Adams building, FDA 215 e-mail: [email protected], web: www.eps.mcgill.ca/~minarik