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See Transcript Here Lauren: Welcome to 52 Weeks of Hope, this is where you get to hear how to feel happy, balanced, and worthwhile, how to make that lonely ache vanish and feel empowered, confident, and secure. I'm Lauren Abrams and today we're talking to writer, producer, and a funny man himself Jack Herrguth. Jack's a writer producer, an entertainment executive. He wrote several episodes of the hit television series "Sister, Sister." he produces and has produced hit shows and works behind the scenes, plenty. He's here today though because he started a podcast with actor, comedian Stephen Kramer Glickman called Never Surrender. And it's similar to 52 Weeks of Hope where people, actually famous people, talk about, that's the part that might be a little bit different, talk about what they've overcome and how they just keep going, they never surrender. It's funny, it's witty. They talk about how they just don't give up no matter what. And [inaudible 00:00:51] been out for about 6-8 weeks now. And it's fabulous, it's just really great. And, so, Jack's going to tell us his message is a hope that he's received and what his personal one is too. Welcome to 52 Weeks of Hope, Jack. Jack: Hey, Lauren. How are you? Thanks for having me on today, it's a real pleasure to be here and I'm excited to talk to you. Lauren: Yeah, it's great to see you too. It's been good to hear you talk about your podcast. And I actually am not positive what brought it about but it's a great show. I've enjoyed listening to a few of your episodes. So, first, what did bring about your Never Surrender? Because I know what brought my podcast about, it was from my own dark time and me going out and asking people, "Okay, why are we here? What's the point?" It was a soul searching. So, what brought Never Surrender about? Jack: Well, I'd say it's a very similar thing that happened to me. I...gosh. So, let me think. It was a couple years ago, I think like it was around 2015. And I was working at a company that I thought really was my dream job. Like I was working at this company that I had wanted to work at, I had grand designs of being there and accomplishing great things. And, throughout the course of my year there, it was absolutely miserable. It was like the worst like professional working experience I've ever had in my entire life. I was being sabotaged by co- workers left and right, just the worst horrible things. And, at the end of that year, I found out that I was being let go from the company just purely by accident. Like somebody in the HR department sent an email to someone else in the HR department and accidentally CCed me on the email saying that my last day was that day. And they accidentally sent it to me, CCed me on it, I saw it. So, I got let go from there, it was just a horrible ending to a horrible tenure. Then, about 6 months after that, my mom passed away. And then 3...2 months...no, 3 months later after that, my dad passed away. Then another job I was working at, I got let go from that job. So, it was two jobs in a year I got let go from. My parents both died within that year. And then, a few months after all of that, I got cancer. For the second time. And when all these things happen to you, that are bad or negative or horrible or tragic, however you wanna define it, you start thinking, you know, "Who have I made angry?" like, "who have I pissed off?" Like, you know, if you believe in god, "Did I piss off god? Did I make him angry?" like, "what have I done? Why is the world just," you know, "coming down upon my shoulders like all the time without any sort of break?" And like nothing good was happening. I was just in a really bad place. One day, I was on my laptop and I was just messing around on YouTube, and I come across a video from Will Smith. And I think the heading was something about failure, so, I was like, "Well, that's how I'm feeling right now." You know, through personal and professional struggles, I had just felt like a massive failure. So, I click on this video and he's talking all about failure. And he says, "It's important to fail often. It's important to fail big. Failure is a big part of being successful." I thought, first of all, "What has Will Smith know about failure? What has he ever failed at?" But, the more I thought about it, it just stuck with me. And I started to think about, "I wonder, if you sat down with Will Smith, what his story was about failure?" Like, "What does he have to say about failure?" And the more I thought about it was, not just Will Smith, but, "What if you sat down with the most successful people in entertainment and heard about their stories of struggle, their stories of overcoming adversity, their failures," you know, "why they never gave up and why they never surrendered?" I thought that could be a really great idea for a show. That is something I would listen to, based on all my failures, just learning from the failures of very successful people. And, so, I pitched it to my friend Stephen, who's an actor, comedian, like you said at the top of the show, and he's very successful, but he's also had his share of struggles, like anybody else has. And he loved the idea. And then, we pitched it to this company called Western Sound, and they've made a lot of very popular podcasts, and they loved it. Then we started lining up, you know, celebrities to interview. And, so, we sat down with comedians, actors, writers, directors. And the main thing that I learned from all of it was never give up. I mean it seems like a very simple piece of advice but it's true. Like they all have the very same story. They've all struggled, they've all overcome adversity. But the main thing was they kept with it, they never gave up, and they never surrendered. Lauren: Did you interview Will Smith? Jack: No, we have not interviewed Will Smith yet. He is certainly one of the pie-in-the-sky guests that we wanna have. So, hopefully, someday. Lauren: Yeah, you definitely will. No doubt you will. Jack: Yeah, fingers crossed. Lauren: Yeah, it's interesting because the never give up is...yeah, that's kind of keep putting one foot in front of the other is certainly...and do you get messages of how to never give up from your guests? How to get through a day? Because it's, like you say, it's easy to say, "Yeah, don't give up." Okay, so, here it is, you hear this from Will Smith. Then what would you do? I mean because things resonate when they resonate. We hear them when we hear them. I'm sure you had heard that before, "Don't give up, keep going," but, for some reason, on this day, this resonated and you came up with the idea. How did you get through your dark period? I mean that's a lot. Jack: You know, I would say...you know, and it sounds trite but it's true, like you just have to keep going. You just have to put one foot in front of the other and take things, you know, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day, week by week, and month by month. You know, because you will get through it. And when you're sitting there in that dark time thinking, "I'm never gonna get through this," and I've just had one horrible thing happen to me after another, whether it's losing a job, having a loved one passing away from you, getting an illness, you know, and all that stuff happening, you just think, "well, this is how my life is." Like, "My life is never going to get better. I'm never going to see the light of day," you know, "the sun's never gonna rise again." You know, it's that sort of thing and it's very hard to get out of that mindset once bad things start happening. You start feeling like you are attracting kind of bad things, you know. And that's one thing, you know, me sort of having anxiety and being a little anxious, you start thinking like, "Am I attracting bad things? Am I bringing negative energy into myself?" You know, you just have to wake up every day and try to have a positive outlook, no matter how hard it is. And some days it is very very very difficult to get out of bed and put a smile on your face and be like, "The world's great, even though I just lost my job and my parents are dead and I had a horrible illness," you just have to project a positive attitude and then, hopefully, that positive energy will start, you know, coming your way.
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