Fifth Series Vol. XVI No. 54 Monday, May 29, 1972 Jyaistha 8, 1894 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES

(Fifth Series)

Vol. XV

Fotrth Settios, 1972/1893-94 (Saks)

( Vol . XV contains Nos . 51 — 57 )

LOK SABHA SECBKTA1 IAT NEW DELHI CONT ENTS

No. 54 —Monday, M ay 29, 19721 Jyaistha 8, 7W

C o l u m n s Oral Answers to Questions : •Starred Questions Nos. 1022, 1024, 1027 to 1032, 1035, 1036,1039 and 1040 _ 1—38

Written Answers to Questions :

Starred Questions Nos. 1021, 1023, 1025,1026, 1033, 1034.1037 and 1038 38—48 Unstarred Questions Nos. 7661, 7662, 7664 to 7783 and 7785 to 7860 48—236 Correction of Answer to USQ No. 2304 dated April 10, 1972 re. Literacy _ __ 236 —37 Papers Laid on the Table 242—45

Remand of Member— (Shrt A K . Gopalan) _ 245 Election to Committee Committee on the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes 246

Bills Introduced— 1. General Insurance Business (Nationalisation) Rill 246 — 49 2. Aligarh Muslim University (Amendment) Bill .. 250-68, 269-72 3. University Grants Commission (Amendment) Bill 268—69

Constitution (Thirty-First Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider 272—345 Shn Ram Niwas Mirdha 272-75, 303—05 Shri Somnath Chatterjee .. _ 276-83

•The sign** " jerked above the name of a Member indicate* that the question was actually aaketf 4»e floor of the House by that Member. ni)

Co l u m n s

Dr. Govind Das ... 283-- 85 Shri G. Viswanathan ...... 285—87 Shri Atnrii Nahata ...... 287—>90 Dr. Ranen Sen ... 290—92 Shri Shashi Bhushan ...... 292—94 Shri A*al Bihari Vajpayee ...... _ 294—96 Shri P. Venkatasubbaiah ... 297—98 Shri Pttoo Mody ... - 298—99 Shri Samar Guha 299—301 Shri Shivnath Singh . ... 301—03

Clauses 2, 3 and 1

Motion to pass, as amended ... 345 Constitution (Thirt)-Second Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider ...... 346—410 Shri H. R. Gokhale ...... 346—48, 371-76 Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya 348--51 Shri C. M Stephen ... 351—56 Shri C. K. Chandrappan .. 357—60 Shri Vayalar Ravi ... 360—62 Shri N. Sreekantan Nair ...... 362—64 Shri G. Viswanathan... _ ...... 164—65 Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee ...... 365—66 Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait ...... 366—67 Shri R. Balakrishna Pillai ...... 367—70 Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy ...... 370—71 Clauses 2 and 1 ...... 384—402 Motion to Pass, as amended ...... 410 Discussion Re. Ceiling on Agricultural Holdings 410—90 Shri D. K. Panda ... _ 411-18 ShriK N. Tiw&ry ...... 418—25 Shri S P. Bhattacharyya ...... 425—29 C o l u m n s

Shri C. Chittibabu ... 429—34 Sbri Amrit Nahata 434-41 Shn Atal Bihari Vajpayee 441-47 Shrimati V. Jeyalakshmi 447-48 Shri Annasaheb P Shinde 448—57^ Shri Darbara Singh ... 457—63^~ Shri Shyamnandan Mishra 463—64 Shri Bibhuti Mishra ... 464-69 Shri H. M. Patel 469-73 Shri Sat Pal Kapur ... 473-75 Shri Nathu Ram Mirdha 475—82 Shri Samar Guha 482-85 Shri F. A. Ahmed ... 485—90 LOK SASHA DEBATES

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LOK SABHA SHRI DASARATHA DEB: To attract the backward tribafs into this business, do the Government consider to Monday, May 29, 1972/ Jyaistha 8, liberalise the procedure in terms of issuing 1894 (&*a) licences for rice and oil mills in the case of tribais, particularly the educated tribal youths, who desire to start this business? The lo k Sabha met at Eleven o f the Clock SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: We very much welcome this. But as 1 [Mu. Spbakkr tn the Chair] said, all these powers have been delegated to the State Governments. The State Governments are competent, including tbe ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Tripura Government, to issue licences, Licences for Rice rad Ott MHls for Tripura and we would very much welcome it. If the hon. Member wants me to take up *1022. SHRI DASARATHA DEB : any specific case, I am prepared to Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE take it up with tbe State Government. be pleased to state: SHRI DASARATHA DEB: At present (a) whether Government are aware that these tribais are facing difficulties in gett- Tribais of Tripura have been experiencing ing loans from the nationalised banks for difficulties in obtaining licence for starting starting such trades. In view of these a Rice and Oil Mill; difficulties and tbe tribal people being very poor and not being able to afford to (b) if so, the number of licences for start such mills, do the Government Rice and Oil Mills granted in Tripura consider to liberalise the terms and condi- during the last three years; and tions of advancing loans from the national* ised banks to the tribal people? (c) the number of such licences issued in favour of tribal applicants during the MR. SPEAKER: This was only said period in Tripura (Division-wise)? concerning licences and not loans from the banks. THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) to (e). What do you advise me Sir? Tbe power to issue licences for setting up rice mills has been delegated to tbe MR. SPEAKER : The question related State Governments. Information sought to licences and now he has come tv by the Hon’bie Member is being collected loans. from the Tripura Government and will be laid on tbe Table of the Sabha, when SHRI DASARATHA DEB: Loans received. are connected with the issue of licences. 3 Oral Atuwtrs MAY 29,1972 0r«f An***ri 4

Without loam, the tribals cannot »tart H up with the State Government con- the tw dttnii cerned. There should be no difficulty at ail whatsoever: particularly when youag MR. SPEAKER : It can lead to any tribal people are concerned, ft will be oar other thing also. The question must be duty to encourage them. vefcnrant. How can he answer the question on loan? He is not the Minister of As far as oil mills ate concerned, the Finance. You can ask some other con- general licensing policy is, if the project is venient question relevant to this. (Interrup- below Rs. 1 o w e, no licence it required tion) if It does not Involve foreign exchange or the import of equipment. That applies to SHRI D. BASUMATARI: Sir, tbe Tripura also. hon. Minister has said that it is up to tbe State Government to issue licences to SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: the tribie people. That is the policy. But May I know whether the tribals are having It is seen from our experience that this any rice mills or oil mills in that State has not been followed by tbe State or are they exported to other States for Governments where the tribal population milling? is small in number. In such cases, may I know whether any step is being contemp- MR. SPRAKER : This does not arise lated by the Government to see that the out of it; it is not essential to ask a tribal people are allowed to get licences in question which is not relevant. the neglected area like Tripura? •ft MR. SPEAKER: What new question have you put ? fm «nw fasfi ft 9 ( , SrfiR ^ S r a R s f t WT SHRI D. BASUMATARI: The Minis- ter has understood it, Sir. There is a q v *rr sft general rule that the Scheduled Castes and ^ | vta «ftfr for tonfr 1 I Scheduled Tribes should be given assis- v t m m * tance in all such matters. In the case of some States, this has not been done. Wr India does not think it such cases with the Staie Governments proper to encourage collaboration for concerned? buskers; a lot of waste is involved. Handpounding and other things are SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : The protected. question pertains to two things. Rice mills and oil mills. As far as nee mills a n concerned, 1 have already submitted Acceptance by Orissa of Central that powers are delegated to the State Directive on Land Ceiling Governments. It has not been brought to our notice anywhere that the 8tate Govern- *1024. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER ments are not encouraging it. If instances MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of are brought to our notice, we will take AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: OralAMtmra JYAISTHA 8, IW4 &AKA) Oral 4 m m tt «

(t) whether the Oovenittent of Orissa •ho land transfer baa started in full bIW «p9pt«J the Central directive on •wing? landeeiliBe and SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : (b) if so, reaction of Government There are Press reports but the Govern- th«*on1 ment of India's approach In regard to this is that if land reform laws are enacted THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB for lower ceilings they should be given MINISTRY OP AGRICULTURE (SHRI retrospective effect from September, ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 1970. Tbe recommendations of the Central Land Reforms Committee have been forwarded h e w t o p H I • *w t to the State Government by Minister of Agriculture with a request that action b* t fa xmf *t f*r*nr $ should be initiated to bring the existing TT'SHT v x Ceiling Laws in line with the national % ftnr war** (? $t, ift policy. The Revenue Minister attended the Conference of Chief Ministers held on w r n r faw r if 14*4*72 to consider exemptions under the W t r * | ? % m vtf flrftr fan Ceiling Law. He did not express any *n»r | sfiram fasr wro % reservations about the recommendations of the Central Land Reforms Committee. u*?r»fer f w r *mr | ? It is expected that the Government of Orissa will amend the Ceiling law on the SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: lines suggested by the Central Land It is not a question of giving directives. Reforms Committee. All of us know it is a very vitally important economic reform io which tbe SHRI SHYAM SUNDER country is interested; it has also to do MOHAPATRA : The Revenue Minister something with agricultural production did not express any opinion and it is and the availability of foodgrains and very obvious because the Swatantra and other commodities. Apart from doing Utkai Congress coalition Government is justice to millions of landless labour, and not only opposed to the ceilings proposed this has been the Government of India's to be fixed by the Central Government. Is approach from the Ftrst Plan itself; it is the Government of India going to put any not a new thing; this was there in the moral or other pressure that they should First Plan, the Seoond Plan, the Third come on par with other States? Plan when those Plans were formulated. There was always reference to this in the SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : N. D. C. also of which the Chief Actually the Chief Minister met Mr. Ministers are members; they have been Ahmed and I cannot say what was in the made a party to this and, therefore, I do mind of the Government but he expressed not think technically something should in no unoertain terms that they would come in the way of the recommendation. like to co-operate fully in respect of This is done in accordance with the legislation in this regard and would not consensus and my own experience is that tike to lay behind the other State tbe State Governments are prepared to Governments in this. cooperate with the Centre ..«

SHRI SHYAM SUNDER SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: MOHAPATRA: I* the Minister aware My question does not require such a that as hi tbe case of M.P., in Orissa lengthy explanation. 7 Oral A m m ti MAY 29. 1972 OimiJmmtr* ft

MIL SPEAKBR; The reply that yeu SHRI ANNASAHEB p. SHINTO ; want to obtain cannot be obtained in * A number efStstas tow done it* Bihar supplementary question but he is trying has lowered the ceilings. Tamfl N ate to satisfy you. Government has taken m e steps. Kerala Government has enacted a good SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : law. Assam has enacted a law lowering He has left me totally unsatisfied. the ceilings. In West Bengal, during President's rule, a very good (aw has been SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: enacted. Can I complete my reply? SHRI JAGANNATH RAO : I m t MR. SPEAKER: He could have to ask a question about Orissa. contented himself by saying: The hon. Member can interpret the law himself; MR. SPEAKER: We are going to it Is a matter of legal interpretation. have a debate this evening on this subject. You can express your views then. The SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: simple question is whether the Central No question of interpretation. Whether Government has given a directive to Orissa the land reforms were within the State list Government. From that, we went to or not that was my limited question. Kerala and now all the States. I must see that it does not go oat of my control. SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : Next question May I complete my answer? Actually the enactment of the law is within the competence of the State Governments. Requirement of Fertiliser daring That is well-known. 1972-73 State-wise

SHRI R. BALAKR1SHNA PILLAI • *1027. SHRI P. NARASIMHA May I know wheifaer it is a fact that the REDDY: Will the Minister of Prime Minister of India has written to the AGRICULTURE be pleased to ctate : State Governments through a letter to tbe Chief Ministers asking them to adopt (a) the assessed requirements of the 1969 Kerala Land Reforms Act as fertiliser, State-wise, during tbe current the model Act? year; and

(b) tbe arrangements made to meet MR. SPEAKBR: From Orissa you these requirements in full. have gone to Kerala! THE MINISTER OF STATE IN SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE While we do appreciate the Hon. members (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : from Kerala for enacting a progressive (a) and (b). A statement is placed on law, even that law is not such a model tbe Table of the Sabha. law. Even though it is a good piece of legislation, the provision permitting transfers for love and affection is not STAveauiNY progressive enough. (a)and(b). A statement showing the SHRI R. S. PANDEY: The Central estimates of requirement of fertilisers Government has sent a directive to all given by tbe States in Zonal conferences the States. May I know how many States held in April-May, 1972 for the year have enacted the necessary legislation? i m 73 is attached. 9 Ormi Answer* JYAISTHA 8. 1*94 (SAKA) Ora! Ans»trs Id

It h expected th*t by and large Imports of 6.96 lakh tonnes of Nitrogen, requirements of the State* for 1972*73 wilt 2.04 lakh tonnes or P205 and 1.90 lakh be met as a result of the following tonnes of 1C20 against which the Ministry arrangements: of Supply and the Mineral* and Metals (*) The Ministry of Petroleum and Trading Corporation have been consmi* Otettticalft have assured this Ministry of ssfoned to make Import programmes for the availability of 9.40 lakh tonnes of timely arrivals of fertilisers. Nitrogen and 2 lakh tonnes ofP205 from the domestic production for use during (c) Together with the stocks as on 1st the Kharif and Rabi crops of 1972*73 April, 1972, implementation of these (b) The Ministry of Finance have measures should be able to meet, by and allocated foreign exchange for additional large, the requirements of the States.

Statbmbnt

Units. tonnes

S No. State/Union 1972-73 Territory N P “ K ‘

]. Andhra Pradesh 2,50,000 90.000 32,000 2. Kerala 40.000 24,000 22,000 3 Mysore 1,15,000 55,000 35,000 4 Tamil Nadu 2,74,000 91,000 75,000 S. Pondicherry 3,700 2,200 1,550 6. Bihar 1,17,700 23,100 9,900 7. Oriisa 56,000 12,500 7,800 8. Assam 5,500 *.450 1,450 9. West Bengal 90,000 24,500 27,600 10. Nagaland 33 26 20 11. Tripura 626 240 300 12. Maharashtra 1,67,500 85,000 55,000 13. Gujarat 1,32,000 70,000 9,000 14. Goa 2,400 1,300 1,100 1$. Uttar Pradesh 4,30,000 99,000 75,000 16. Madhya Pradesh 1,08,400 50,000 10,500 17. Rajasthan 60,000 12,000 5,000 18. Delhi 2,800 375 210 19. Punjab 2,50,000 80,000 SO,200 20. Haryana 9,830 9,300 3,225 21. Himachal Pradesh 6,000 1,000 1,250 22. Jammu & Kashmir 6,500 1,100 '430 •A ll India 22,49,159 7,35,091 3,92,905

♦This also includes 3,300 tonnes of N likely to be consumed by the Plantation Crops. I) Oral A m w rt MAY 29.1972 O m iA m m m 12

SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : facing an acute shortage of fertilisers. May 1 know from the Minister whether Even today I had a telegram tin t adequate the ftatement about the assessed fertilizer is not being allotted to Mysore. requirements of fertiliser*, State-wise, The distribution of fertilizers to plantation famished by him, contains the expected crops is also defective. annual growth rate in fertiliser application and if not, what special steps are 101. SPEAKBR: Do not make it a contemplated to step up fertiliser debating hour. application? SHRI 1C. LAKKAPPA: I am giving SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDB : certain facts. Recent experience, particularly last year’s, MR. SPEAKER; You may do it later. indicates that the consumption rate is But, for the present, ask the question. increasing quite satisfactorily. But despite that, a number of steps are taken SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : The entire to popularise consumption of fertilisers system of distribution of fertilizer is like demonstration, analysis of soil and outmoded. Is the Central Government a number of other promotional measures, considering the evolving of a new system which are being taken. of distribution of fertilizers whereby the farmers will get the supply in time and SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : also of the the quantity required by May I know whether his attention has them? been drawn to some press reports to the effect that some States like Mysore are SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : As thinking in terms of rationing fertilizer far as the inadequate distribution in in view of the inadequate allocations individual States is concerned, it is entirely from tbe Centre and, if so, what steps left to the discretion of the State Govern- are proposed to meet such a situation? ments. We only make allotments to the State Governments. Of course, some SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : difficulties ate there because of the Broadly we are trying to meet the reason* shortage, but the shortage according to me able demands of the State Governments, is very marginal. For instance, for the but due to some dislocation in imports khariff crop the total requirement is because of the recent conflict with Pakistan 9.4 lakhs tonnes nitrogen whereas the there are some difficulties. We are availability is 8.2S lakhs tonnes; the trying to expedite the import programme shortage is only about 1.15 lakhs tonnes, and to increase the indigenous production which is a very marginal shortage. with the co-operation of the Ministry Naturally, the State Governments have to of Petroleum and Chemicals. We are make a Judicious distribution of the quite"seized of the matter and we are available fertilizer. The production it not trying to see that the State Governments coming up to the expectation from tbe are helped to the extent possible. indigenous factories because of power shortage and a number of other factors. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : The distribu- But we are trying to take up the matter tion of fertilizer by the Central Govern* with the other Ministries concerned* A* ment firom the pool system is not only far as Mysore is concerned, we have been inadequate but also readies the cultivator in touch with the Mysora Government. at a time when he does not require it. It With our present availability whatever is is a common complaint of the South possible we shall try to do. Indian States* particularly of Andhra ta d Mysore, that fertilizer is sot MR. SPSAKB& : Witt* abort dM * distributed in time. In Mysore we a n b atten in tim tf 13 O t l A m w n JYAISTHA 8,1894 (54*4) O n t A tm w 14

81HU K. LAK1CAPPA : The fertiliser irant* *$rft fa r n m m fawfr’ # it supplied to the farmer* when they do 5*4 vwr vwrwft fwrtrc ^ not require them and when they- required them the fertiliser is not available. HTVfs

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : (m) *fir w r w tm x w r Our advice to the State Government* is n m vfw v x t t that they have various points in States where they stockpile the fertilizer well in advance of the season. Some credit (*r) *rf* at *sr art* m w facilities have also been made available. We are also giving some loans to the State Governments during this season. THE MINISTER OP STATE IN But, as I said, these difficulties are coming THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND up because of marginal shortages, which FAMILY PLANNING (PROF. D. P. are due to factors beyond the control of CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) Y «, Sir. my Ministry. (b) and (c). The matter is being SlIRl P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : enquired into. May I know whether the attention of the Minister has been brought to the fact that due to lack of proper agricuitral vw rtg s w pi : 9 arm * education about the application of $ fa art* *pt w? # fertilizers there is imbalance in the faJT-fasr application of fertilizers with the result that there has been a sort of reaction to Sr art* *rr agricultural growth? May I know < * 1 ? whether the Government have taken precautions to see that proper fertilizers Gnrftsr rift wwm wwir are applied in proper time and in adequate quantity? w r trrrwrr w n w ( w 'strwwpc < H w r): IS OtaiAtutmrs MAY 29,1972 Ora! A w m m 16

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Setting «p of National Committee fber tbe Central Government itself is going and «Hmtr step* an Afttt-Soiekiftg to have any anti smoking drive and in that Programmes drive will tbe Government enlist tbe co- operation of orher voluntary organizations •1029. SHRI VFKARIA Will tbe also? Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state th; steps THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND taken or proposed to b» taken tn view of HOUSING A HEALTH AND FAMILY the recommendations of the W.H.O. PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR Director General regarding (i) setting up DIKSHIT) * So far as the general approach a National Committee to supervise anti- is concerned, the Government is completely smoking programmes; (ii) elimination one with the Hon. Member over the desira- of advertising of cigarette and (in) im- bility of taking some effective steps for cur. posing a ban >n smoking n h^pitals bing smoking With tbe experience that and other health institutions ? America and India have had over prohibi- tion, and this is a much more prevalent THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE evil and even among Members of Parlia- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND ment and other very esteemable gentlemen FAMILY PLANNING (PROF. D P and ladies, it is so common that, in our CHATTOPADHYAYA) The said opinion, the first stage should be more of recommendations of the WHO publicity and propaganda to convince Director-General are under examination people and when the general public opinion SHRI VEKARIA I am surprised to is more ready, that would be the time for hear the answer of the Minister that it is bringing up legislation. under consideration after such a long time So far as this report is concerned, it did I would like to know whether the Gov not first come to us When we heard, we ernment in the near future would ask the wrote to the WHO and on the 24th May, cigarette manufacturers to write on each ne have received a copy. We are studying packet of cigarette* that smoking is dange- it Generally, we are aware of this matter, rous to health and when such orders will but, it is clearly a complicated matter and b» issued. requires very careful consideration.

PROF D. P CHATTOPADHYAYA SHRI PILOO MODY : I would like to 1 think the hon Member has referred to know whether tbe Government has any tbe view of Mr George Fernandes who proposal of persuading the Speaker of tbe brought forward a draft Bill on 26th July, Lok Sabha to permit smoking in the 1969 requiring the State Governments to Home. insist on every cigarette advertiser to give in bold letters that smoking is a health crmor • wrc 3ft w hazard. As to this matter, we have drawn & ?rt * t r t i w m f ' i tbe attention of the State Government sand the Bill of Mr. Fernandes was forwarded SHRI PARIPOORNANAND to each State Government asking them to PAINULI: Is not the habit of smoking take proper measures. I t » for tbe State increasing among the juveniles and it to, Governments, as you will appreciate, to may I know from the hon. Minister what take appropriate measures. steps the Government propose to take?

SHRI VEKARIA : It is surprising to PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : know that the matter Is shifted to the Stale Some of tbe State Governments h*ve ap- Governments. I would like to know wba- propriate legislation in tbe matter. 19 O rdAm w trt MAY 39* 1972 O r d A tm m t

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : Mr of milk asked for by the Cktecill* Esta- Speaker, Sir . . . blishments like the Railway Catering Service, Coffee Board and Tea Board which MR. SPEAKBR: Are you oot tired of eater to M.Ps in Parliament House; asking supplementaries oo every question? (b) whether as a result of this, these SHRI M. RAM OOPAL REDDY : Catering Establishments have to buy mBk Only one supplementary. for use in Parliament House from non* Government agencies; and MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry ... We have another Mr. Kachwai oo this side. (c)the steps Government propose to take to set matters right and direct the SHRI S. A. KADER : The hon. Mem- Delhi Milk Scheme to supply the full ber wanted that some warning should be quantity of milk and milk products written on the cigarette box. Witl such a requisitioned from the Parliament House warning also be written on the cigar cases Stall of the D. M. S. to tbe above Esta* also for this is also very important and blishments working in Parliament House ? cigar is also being smoked by many people? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. We are told that cigars are less harmful SHER SINGH) : (a) There is no difficulty than cigarettes. and Delhi Milk Scheme is supplying milk SHRI K. OOPAL: The hon. Minister to the 3 catering establishments at Parlia- just now said that we cannot possibly ban ment House as per their demand. smoking and that this evil will continue. In view of this may I know from the hon. (b) Government is not aware whether Minister whether there is any proposal to these Establishments also make purchases have quality control over cigarette manu- of milk from agencies other than Delhi facture in the country? Milk Scheme.

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. How (c) Does not arise. does this question arise? SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : May SHRI PILOO MODY : It is dealing I know before giving tbe reply whether the with health. Minister of Agriculture took care to check up from the various Catering Establish- MR. SPEAKER : Enough questions ments in Parliament House, viz., Railways, have been asked. Normally Parliaments Coffee Board and Tea Board, whether have separate smoke rooms. Not in the they were being supplied with the full House itself. quantity of milk required by them by the Delhi Milk Scheme because the reply to part (b) is not borne out by the earlier Supply of full Quantity ef milk by replies given to the unstarred questions Delhi MUk Scheme to catering during the session. There is unstarred eKtabtisnttents In Parliament House Question No. 1818 dated 4-4*1972. Thereto, *1030, SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: it was stated by the Foreign Trade Mini- Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be ster that Coffee Board were getting some pleased to state: quantities of milk from Public Milk Supplies, Karol Bagh, New Delhi* Again (a) the difficulties in tbe way of the In reply to my unstarred question No. Delhi Milk Scheme to supply foil quantity 2426 dated the 11th April, 1972, the 21 * to tiA m m t* JYAISTHA 8,ttWC&dW) 0r»lArnmra 22

Railway Minister fitted that milk wed in Dairies In these States to provide cheap the Railway canteen in Parliament House milk; and is partly being procured from D. M. S. (c) if so, the time by which such dai- and pertly from ICaventors. According to ries are likely to function in those States? my Inforraarmation they are not being supplied the fui] quantity they wanted THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB and that is why they thad to 90 outside. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF* SHER SIN G H ): (a) There is general PROF. SHER SIN G H : There is no shortage of milk all over the country, la* difficulty and we are prepared to supply eluding Bihar, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh any amount of milk if they are prepared and West Bengal. to make payment in advance and we are doing it. (b) and (c). Financial assistance is being given by Indian Dairy Corporation under SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : ‘Operation Flood* to establish Dairies la there is contradiction because it is stated the State of Bihar, Rajasthan, Uttar here that Government is not aware . . . Pradesh and West Bengal. In addition, the respective State Governments have PROF. SHER 'SINGH : I don’t say undertaken programme under State They don’t; but we have no information Plans to establish dairy plants at various whether they do or not. places.

SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: I want In Bihar, presently 5 dairy plants, one to know whether he has properly checked each at Bhagalpur, Gaya, Patna, Ranchi up with the Delhi Milk Scheme whether and Barauui are functioning. Besides, they properly supplied what was wanted another large-sized dairy plant is being by these catering establishments in Parlia- established at Barauni. Similarly, there ment House. That is my specific question. is also a proposal to establish another He has not given a straight answer. laige-sized dairy plant at Bokaro for meeting the requirements of milk at Dhan- PROF. SHER SINGH : We are bad and Bokaro industrial complex. making the supply. We are supplying any amount of milk as required on advance In Rajasthan, a dairy plant is func- payment. But we cannot get that for them tioning at Jaipur. In addition, two more if they do not wish to purchase that. dairy plants, one each at Ajmer and Jodh* pur are being established. Shortage of MUk in Bibar. Rajasthan, In U.P., 13 dairy plants, one each at U .P. aad West Bengal and steps Agra, Allahabad, Almora, Aligarh. Bareilly to set up Dairies therefor Dehradun, Gorakhpur, Haldwani, Kanpur, *1031. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : Lucknow, Mathura. Moradabad and Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Varanasi are functioning. In addition to (teased to state: these, then is a proposal to establish a large-sized dairy plant at Faizabad. (a) whether Government are aw*w of the actue shortage of milk especially la In West Bengal, two dairy plants, one Khar, Rajasthan, UJP. and West Bengal; each at Calcutta and Haringbata are func- tioning. Besides, 2 more dairy plants, one

MR- SPEAKER: Such long answers SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA ; The should be placed oo the Table of the second part of my question has not been House in the form of a statement. anwered. What specific steps are Govern- ment going to take for the removal of the SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : The shortage of milk in the country? boo. Minister has graciously accepted that there is shortage of milk in the country. I PROF SHER SINGH: I have already would, therefore, like to know firstly the submitted that under 'Operation Flood* number of Central dairies established we shall be spending Rs, 95 crores in the Statewise in the oountray till now 7 next five years for increasing milk produc- Secondly, what specific steps has tbe hon. tion and for improving the quality of Minister taken to remove the shortage? cattle through cross-breeding etc. There are several programmes in hand and in* PROF. SHBR SINGH: As 1 have the States also there are programmes for already submitted, financial assistance is expanding da'ries and also for improving being given under ‘Operation Flood* for the cattle and t*king up crossbreeding establishment of dairies. About four to programmes in a big way. six dairies will be established in the metro- politan cities of Delhi, Calcutta, Bombay SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : Raj- and Madras. sthan, Bihar, UP and West Bengal are very backward, and as you know, milk is SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA: I am a must for the maintenance of health. talking of Central dairies. The economic condition or these places is PROF. SHBR SIN GH: These would beyond description. So, what is the hon. Minister going to do to supply milk to be financed by the Centre. 17 feeder dai- those States which are experiencing short- ries will also be established under the age of milk for a long time? 'Operation Flood* programme in the various States I can give the names of these States; they are Punjab, Haryana, PROF SHER SINGH . 1 have already Rajasthan, UP, Bihar, Andhra Pradesh, answered this question. We are producing Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, Gujarat, West more milk and I have already given the Bengal, etc. schemes. Unless we produce more milk, how can we supply more milk? We must SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : What produce more. about the Central dairies? / t w : vx srntff if PROF. SHBR SIN G H : There is no fsrfjR, TRWR, sr&T Tfwft Central dairy as such. There is only one dairy managed by the Central Govern- 4 wsr S snft % ?rr*r-m*r art ment and that is in Delhi. All other dai- sir* ejnrwr $ ssr ries are managed by the State Govern* vt % tf *srr ments, and the Centre is financing the vm xx*mmx State Governments to establish new dairies 1 1 w % w

sfnmr *t qror | «fhc r r f a anr «mr % * fo rf H irrf ‘ eft irrr % T %— 3tR sr^^r, ftrfR ^ t r f? ^ R v r ^ ^tirr, JT^ft art eft q-%’ i TTk 3HT5T % ?R^R % ’T^RcfT *rr*fy I cTTf% «R % *PTR *T SHRI D. B\SUM VTARI : May I 5f> % *f«r* sto % ^ ^c=r ? | know if the Government i% aware of the * srir §r sr<7 cr*rr art ^ fact that the nnllv*yield is the lowest in m*n | & % r^r^r «riT sfqr Assam, compared to the icst of Iudii, and thetefore, may I know what steps the Gov- fearer szrsr^aTT wx | ? ernment has taken to incre.is; the yield of nulk in Assam 1 He has not mentioned sito Spc : *TRcT ?R T R *t about Assam; he has mentioned many other States. ifft s i r r ^ ?jjr

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SHRI D. BASUMATARI : Sir, my (d) whether Government will lay on the question was not replied to. My question Table information regarding the imple- was, what steps the Government of India mentation by U.P. Government and its are taking to increase the yield of milk in benefits to the number of teachers and Assam. those deprived of this benefit ?

PROF. SHER SINGH : For the first THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, phase of Operation Flood project, 1 had SOCIAL WtLFARE AND CULTURE mentioned some Slates. In the second (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) to (d) phase, we will take up other States also, A statement is laid on the table of the and then Assam will be considered. House.

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(a) to (c). The following grants were spif qsm stt % *rr ? sanctioned to the Government of Uttar Pradesh under the scheme of improvement *sH*T of Salary Scales (1966—71) of University ctVt ft fa^i* fa?*p srifesr and College teachers:— % 9T* * ( 1 Year Amount sfto §t t % sn^: 1968-69 — Nil 1960-70 - Rs. 37,78,565 I I 1970-71 — Rs. 49,69,740 •ft HTwsft *n£ : *r In addition, grants totalling Rs. 8) ^cf5TT*TT t lakhs was paid during 1966-67 and 1967-68

Aid to U.P. Government for implementing According^ to U.P. Government’s Revised Pay Scales of Teachers practice a post generally becomes eligible for Government grant-in-aid on continuing *1032. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will for three years The State Government the Minister of EDUCATION AND dtd not claim any Central assistance in SOCIAL WLLI'ARE be pleased to state : respect of posts existing on 1.4 66. However (a) whether any amount of aid is being such teachers are also required to be placed given to the Uttar Pradesh Government for in the approved scales by the college implementing the revised pay-scales annou- managements nced in April, 1966 in Universities and Colleges during 1968*69, 19(9-70 and (d) The improved scales have been 1970-71; applied by the State Government to tbe Agra, Allahabad, Gorakhpur, Kanpur, (b) if so, the amount given year-wise; Lucknow, Meerut ond Varanaseya Sans- (c) the aid given to enforce the revised krit Universities, as well as the non- pay scales in Universities and Colleges Government Aided Degree Colleges (Arts, including Government Colleges for all Science, Commerce and Teachers* Training) teachers whether they had been appointed affiliated to tbe Agra, Allahabad, Gorakh- to posts for lens than three years or more; pur, Kanpur, Lucknow and Meerut Univ- and ersities. The pay-scales of G o v ern m en t 29 Oral Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Oral Answers SO

Colleges were not revised as they were in SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Is it a fact line with the salary structure of the State that various teachers* associations of U.P. Government employees as a whole. Sta- have already made representations to the tistics of the total number of teachers hon. Minister and the UGC that ail the covered under the scheme are not readily recommendations of the Kothari Commi- available. ssion have not been implemented and if so, is it due to the fact that the U.P. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : May I know Government wanted some financial aid why in the year 1968-69 nothing was given to implement the scheme and if so may I under the scheme? May I also know know whether that aid had been refused whether the teachers and professors have or given ? made any representation to the UGC or the Central Government t PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : As far as my information goes, whatever the PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : The State Government asked for in accordance scheme, as I have stated here, is that the with the rules of the State Government State Govern men fc could have claimed and the principles accepted by the assistance from the Centre, but the State UGC has been given to the State Govern- Government apparently did not claim this ment. assistance because they were implemented by the Government of U.P. with effect SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: My from April 1966 and on on account basis question was whether the recommendation some grants were made to the State of the Kothari Commission was not Government depending upon the submis- accepted; U.P. wanted to implement it sion of final accounts in respect of these but it did not implement it because of the grants by the State Governments and the financial difficulties. Has the Centre question really is that the order issued by given them any money so that the the Government of U.P. on August 25, Kothari Commission report could be 1967 introducing 1966—71 scheme retros- implemented. pectively from 1*4-1986 covered.the teachers of Agra, Allahabad, Gorakhpur, Kanpur, PROF S. NURUL HASAN : In most Lucknow, Meerut and Varunasi Sanskrit of the universities and colleges the Kothari Univarsities as well as non Government Commission grades have been implemen- aided degree colleges affiliated to Agra, ted. The only problem was with regard Allahabad, Gorakhpur, Kanpur, Lucknow to Government colleges and the Govern- and Meerut Universities. These things ment of U P. said that they had their own have all been explained in the state* scales as recommended by the State pay ment. rationalisation committee and that was in conformity with the salary structure SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : May I know of the State Government employees. How- if the total figures of teachers covered ever the number of Government colleges and not covered under the scheme will is very small in U.P. be made available to us, if yes. by what time? Education in Concurrent List PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I will be glad to collect this information and *1035. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: make U available to the bon. member Will the Minister of EDUCATION as soon as that information is supplied by AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to the State Government. state: 31 Oral Answers MAY 29, 1972 Oral Answers 32

(a) whether steps have been taken SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : May I know to bring education on the Concurrent whether this matter was ever discussed List; in the Chief Ministers* conference or Vice- Chancellors’ conference and whether the (b) whether some of the State Govern- majority of Vice-Chancellors agreed that ments have agreed to the proposals; it should be in the Concurrent List ? If so, and what is the reaction of the Central Government to it? (c) the number of those who did not agree ? PROF. S. NURUL HASAN: I am afraid I do not have the information asked THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, for by the hon. member readily at hand. SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE But I would draw his attention to the (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) to (c). lccommendation of the Education Commi- In pursuance of the recommendation of ssion, 1064- 66, which was divided on the the Committee of the Members of Parlia- issue. But the majority recommendation ment on Higher Education (1963) under was that further steps should not be the Chairmanship of Shri P. N. Sapru that taken to put Education in t

If so, what are the States which have of the U. P. S. C. has been taken out expressed that view ? from the Commission’s purview, with effect from 1-4* 1966. MR. SPEAKER: You are asking a leading question. I have no objection (b) Selections for all such Scientific and if tbe Minister is in a position to answer Technical posts in the I. C. A. R. and all it. its constituents Research Institutes and Stations are now being made on the reco- PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I do not mmendations of the Selection Committees have all the details of what led the State comprising eminent scientists mostly from Governments to express their disagreement outside the organisation, constituted by with the recommendations of the P. N. the Council itself. A separate Selection Sapru Committee. Sincc this is a matter Committee is constituted for each post which was disposed of eight years ago, with the approval of tho competent and the persons concerned are no longer authority. in power in most of the States, I cannot even conduct an inquiry. (c) The number of selections made against such Scientific and Technical posts in the I. C. A. R. and its constituent Change in Recruitment Policy of l.C, A. R. Research Institutes from April, 1969 to-date is 1468. (This however, does not *1036. SHRI DHARAMARAO include information in respect of such AFZALPURKAR : Will the Minister of selections made against Junior Class I and AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : Class II scientific etc. posts made at the Jute Agricultural Research Institute, (a) whether the Ministry has changed Barrakpore for which information has net the practice of rccruiting to the posts in been received so far). By large and almost Indian Council of Agricultural Research all persons sclcctcd on the recommenda- through U. P. S. C. tions of the Selection Committees have been taken in the Service of the Council/ (b) if so, whether any separate Com- Institute concerncd. In respect of tho mittee has been set up for this purpose; recent selections, however, the offer of and appointments have been sent to the select- ed candidates and they arc likely to join in (c) if so, the number of persons selected during the last three years and the number the near future. of persons who were taken m service ? SHRI DHARAMARAO AFZALPUR- KAR : It is seen from the statement that THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the recruitments to all scientific and techni- MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI cal post were mide on the recommenda- ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). tions of the UPSC up to 1-4-1966. May I A statement is laid on the Table of the know why this piocndure was dropped and Sabha. the constitution of Selection Committees was introduced ?

St a t b m e n t SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : An (a) Yes Sir, Recruitment to all expert committee which went into this Scientific and Technical posts in the Indian matter gave this recommendation. Fur- Council of Agricultural Research and its ther, even the scientists were expressing constituent Research Institutes which was dissatisfaction with the selections made previously done on the recommendations through tho UPSC. Therefore, the 35 Oral Answers MAY 29,1972 Orel Aium r 96

Government of India decided to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB accept the recommendations of the experts MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- committee. The main reason is that ING (SHRI I. K. GUJARAL): (a) Un- there are different disciplines of science authorised colonies are increasing in Delhi and^nless the scientists are associated with but this is not a peculiar feature of Delhi the selection committee the right selection and is not due to corruption in the concer- may not be possible. Therefore, this ned Departments. Positive steps are being change was brought about mainly because taken but from humane and other conside- of this reason, on the basis of the recom- rations, there are practical difficulties in mendations of the experts committee. adopting sufficiently severe deterrent action, SHRI DHARAMARAO AFZALPUR- KAR : It is evident from the statement (b) Yes, Sir, legal action is, however, that selection committees were constituted being taken. and many scientists outside the organ isa- tion were taken in those selection com* (c) and (d). The Delhi Municipal Cor- mittees. May I know the number of such poration and the D. D. A. take neces- selection committees and the number of sary action under their respective Acts eminent tbe scientists who were taken against unauthorised builders. With a outside the organisation ? view to pieventing unauthorised sale/ transfer for land which has been acquired SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE s A or is under acquisition, a bill entitled the number of selection committees were cons* Delhi Lands (Restrictions on Transfer) tituted from time to time. Therefore, it Bill, 1972 making such unauthorised tran- will not be possible to furnish all the data sactions a criminal offence has been intro- unless separate notice is given. duced in tlie Lok Sabha on the 26th May, 1972

Coming op of Unauthorised and Unappro- ved Colonies in Delhi «ft fqjr : maw, WW Sr $ H?*ft aft ft 3TT?RT *T$5TT *1039. SIIRI KRISHNA CHANDRA g f a aft PANDEY : Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to state : 3fT 1 w t fsrsreft sfh: 'TTfft ^ §f«reT s t I ? $ Tfft (a) whether unauthorised and unappro- ved colonies are springing up overnight in SfTSRT ^T$3TT £ % *ft Delhi/New Delhi due to rampant corrup- srftcmr 3t?t ^ w t sfta tion in the concerned Departments and no trite positive steps are being taken to check it; aft I w r »rite (b) whether such a colony is coming up trta ift ifta aft ^ w in area neaiby village Patparganj and no positive steps are being taken to check it; TSTT Sft STT^ift cT^TT aft sft»T w r favrwr arr^*rr ? I s* (c) whether Government would take wr?ft *f»T arar* *cT|?rr g i urgent steps whereby the tendency to build unauthorised/unapproved houses is com- pletely stopped; and * «ft *TY« %• g ro w : far?ft w r- 1 *nrer «rpnrte (d)if so, the main features of such steps ? «ww % ^ £j} 37 Oral Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 38

Prevention of F eod Adulteration Some Statei have asked for the Central assistance for the expansion and develop- •1040. PROF. NARAIN CHAND ment of Food Testing Laboratories. The PARASHAR: Will the Minister of Government of India agrees that for HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING checking food adulteration one of the be pleased to state: essential requirements is the availability of adequate number of properly equipped (a) whether the working of the Preven- Food Testing Laboiatories. This matter tion of Food Adulteration Act has been is primarily the concern of the State found to be unsatisfatory; Governments. However, the question of giving Central assistance to States for this (b) if so, the steps contemplated to purpose is receiving the attention of the ensure the prevention of food adulteration Government of India. through legislative and other means; PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- (c) whether the States have demanded SHAR : M«y 1 know whether a Centrally spccial Central assistance for settingup sponsored scheme for the strict enforce* new food testing laboratories and develop- ment of the Act has been rejected by the ing the existing ones; and Planning Commission 7

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : (d) If so, the response of the Central No such plan has been rejected by the Government to such requests ? Planning Commission. On the contrary, a plan in this regard is being studied in the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Planning Commission. We had a meeting MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMI- sometime during the last week. It is LY PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTO- being puisued. PADHYAYA) : (a) to (d). A statement is laid on the Table of the Sabha. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- SHAR : May I know whether the Act would be strictly enforced within a short St a t e m e n t duration of time ?

The implementation of the Prevention of PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : Food Adulteration Act rests with the State It is not a question of Act; it is a question Governments/Local Bodies. It has been of scheme. We are already seized of the ncticcd that percentage of samples found matter and it will be implemented some- adulterated during the last few years has time this year or early next year. been on the decline. At the same time there have been complaints and represen- tations from various quarters regarding WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS the functioning of the Act. Views have been expressed that tbe provisions of the Act have not proved adequate to tackle University Centres in Big Cities the problem. It has thus been felt that with a view to improving the situation, further *1021. SHRI NAWAL KJSHORE strengthening of the various measures in SINHA: Will the Minister of EDUCA- the Act was needed. The question of TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be making suitable amendments in the Act to pleased to state : make it more effective is under considera- tion in consultation with the Central (a) whether it is proposed to set up Committee for Food Standards. University Centres in big cities with a 39 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 40 nucleus of University teachers, Library University Place and Laboratory facilities; and (1) Andhra ... Guntur

(b) Ihe broad features of the scheme (2) Mysore ... Mangalore and the cities in which they have been set (3) Osmania ... Warangal up ? (4) Panjab ... (i) Rohtak (n) Simla (The THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, Centre is now SOCIAL WFLFARE AND CULTURE part of the (PROP. S NURUL HASAN): (a) and (b). Himachal Pra- Suggestions have been made for setting up desh University.) of academic centres in big cities to cater (f>) Shri Venkateswara Anantpur to the needs of Under Graduate College (6) Madras ... (i) Coimbatore Students as well as private private (n) Thiruchirapaili students but no detailed proposals on this die under the consideration of the (7) Karnatak ... Guibarga University Grants Commission. However, (5) Jawaharlal Nehru .. Imphal the Commission, has a scheme to provide financial assistance to the universities for the setting up of university centres for postgraduate studies at suitable places outside the headquarters of a University, * 1 0 2 ^. : on the follow mg basis : —

(a) Land for the Centre should be provided by the State Government; zt% s r ^ ^ fi'TT ^Vt far: (b) One-third of the expenditure on the library building should be met by (*f) s m tit the State Government; ^ ?srrqj tftafass %

(c) Expenditure on the admmibtrati* t staff, if any, for the C'cntie should % Tt ^ ST^T*! 'TlfTcT be mit by the State Government, tit $*nr5T ^ f^sfr ^ ^ qpft (d) Maintenance of the buildings, etc , should be the responsibility of the tit tit v £ ; State Government;

(e) The grant for the individual (*) nfk fr, tit *sr Depattmenls of the Centre will be made on the same basis as for the grit «ror srfafagr | ? Post-graduate Departments of the University. f$T«TT *5*TC? iwaffFer famn it The Commission has so far accepted Ho tfto «ra*) : (* ) ^ V * the proposals for the establishment of the following centres for postgraduate studies ■ (*l) *TT»I% tit tit 3fT T|t $ I 41 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8. 1894 (S/IJM) Written Answers 43

Preservation of Heritage of National Government that no such dispute has Leader* arisen.

•1025. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: (b) and (c). The Indian Hockey Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND Federation have reported that there was SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to no such bad treament. state :

(a) the efforts made by the Govern- ment to presene the heritage of national Production of Law Books ia Hindi leaders and show honour to their contribu- 1033. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will tions to the motherland ; and the Minister of EDUCATION AND (b) the names of those leaders and SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to quantum of expenditure incurred for state: the implementation of such scheme dur- ing the last three years 1 (a) whether any scheme has been evolved for the producMon of standard THE DFPUTY MINISTER IN THE law books in Hindi for use as text books MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND or icference bx>ks for law courses in SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE Universities and for use by practising DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE lawyers in the Hindi speaking areas; (SHRI D. P YADAV): (a) and (b). ano The information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House, (b) if s \ the salient features there- in due course. of and the progress achieved in this regard ?

Selection of Hockey Team for Munich THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Olympics MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE •1026 SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI MUNSI : Will the Minuter of EDU- D. P. YADAV): (a) Yes, Sir. CATION AND SOCIAL WfcLFARE be pleased to state : (b) A statement is laid on the Table of (a) whether any serious dispute has the Sabha. arisen in the selection of H >ckey team for Olympics at Mnnich, this year ; Statement (b) whether after Indiu's defeat in The three main features of the scheme World Hockey Tournament the Indian of writing, translating and publication of players, particularly young players, were severely ill-treated ; and standard law books in the Hindi language for u se as text books or reference books (c) if so, whether any probe was are contained in para 2 of the Government made into it ? of India, Ministry of Law and Justice (Legislative Department) Resolution No. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE F.22/4/69—JL (Admn.), dated 10-2 1972, MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND a copy of which is laid on the Table of SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. the House. [Placed in Library, see No. LT* RAMASWAMY) : (a) Government 3078/72]. The progress achieved so far io have not received any such report. The regard to each of the three main features is Indian Hockey Federation bave informed as follow s■ 43 Written Answers MAY 29,1972 Written Answers 44

(i) Entries for the award of prizes for printed and made freely available to all the best iaw books written in Hindi during concerned at nominal price. This list is tbe calendar year 1971 have been invited revised from time to time and copies of the by the 30th June, 1972. Thereafter, the revised list are circulated to State Drugs concerned books will be examined by the Control Organisations and to Asiociations Evaluation Committee for making re* of dealers in drugs. commendations regarding the award of prizes. (2) The Drugs and Cosmetics Act ha* been amended and the period of imprison- (ii) 33 subjects have been selected for ment for manufacture and sale of adulter- writing original law books in Hindi. ated drugs and manufacture and sale with- Agreements have been entered into with 26 out licence, has been raised from 3 years selected authors for writing original books to 10 years. Provision has also been made in Hindi on 26 of these subjects. Com* for the confiscation of equipment and plete manuscripts of books on six subjects implements employed for manufacture of have been received from the conccmed such drugs as also the means of transport authors and the manuscripts are now of such drugs. under the scrutiny of the Evaluation Committee. (3) The States have been advised to (in) 59 standard law books which have maintain close liaison with the Police acquired the status of classics on the authorities for the campaign against adult- subjects dealt with therein, have been erated drugs to be carried on intensively. selected for translation into Hindi. The selection of suitable Translators for trans- (4) Whenever reports of adulterated lating them into Hindi is at present und *r drugs are received by the Central Drugs the consideration of the Evaluation Control Organisation and whenever a Committee. racket is supposed to be of Inter State character, special precautions are taken to alert the States concerndd and to advise Adulteration in Drugs them to take necessary action with the assistance of the State Police. •1034. SHRI MUIIAMMID SHERIFF: Will the Minister of HEALTH (5) The States have been requested to AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased augment their Drugs Inspectorates and the to state : testing facilities so that the scale of sampl- (a) whether Government have taken ing is increased and quick test reports are any steps to check the evils of adult- obtained. eration in drugs; and

(b; if so, the main featuies thereof ? (6) Zonal Offices of the Central Drugs Control Organisation have been set up at THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND Bombay. Calcutta, Madras and Ghaziabad HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAM- to bring about a close liaison between the 1LY PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHAN- Central and State Organisations. One of KAR D1KSH1T): (a) and (b). The the major functions of the Zonal Officers following steps have been taken to combat is to investigate the movement of adult- manufacture and sale of substandard and erated drugs, particularly in Inter State adulterated drugs : (l) To eliminate unlic- commerce and to ensure that the standards ensed manufacturers of drugs, who usua- of drugs moving in inter-State commerce lly indulge in manufacture and sale of are stringently observed. The Zonal Offi- adulterated drugs, an 'All-India List of cers are assisted in their task by Central Licensed Drug Manufacturers* has been Brugs Inspectors who work in close liaison 45 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 4«

with the State Drugs Inspectors. The ment of India have issued administrative Central Inspectorate staff attached to the sanction for launching 53 Pilot Projects on Zonal Officers is being augmented. Multiple Croppiog in selected blocks of different States and Union Territories in (7) The help and co-operation of Asso- 1971-72. ciations representing the interests of drug manufacturers and dealers are being en- (b) The main feature of these projects listed to ensure maximum compliance with is to promote more intensive cropping so a t the good manufacturing and sale practices to increase farm productivity and farmers* and their co-operation in the campaign profits. It aims at an accelerated develop- against adulterated drugs is also being ment of profitable multiple cropping and sought. farm enterprises through an integrated action programme of adaptive trials, (8) A training programme for Drugs scientific demonstrations, whole villages Inspectors and Government Analysts has development efforts with organised exten- been arranged under the aegis of the Cent- sion efforts, stream-lined input supplies ral Drug Standards Control Organisation. and credit service and organised marketing These training programmes will help in and allied activities. more stringent enforcement of Drug Standards Control. (c) These projects have been sanctioned (9) A constant liaison and dialogue only in 1971-72. The State Govts took with the State Drugs Control Organisations considerable time in finalising the scheme, is maintained by the Central Drug Stand- getting it sanctioned and in posting of ards Control Organisation by holding meet- staff etc. as such, it has been too short a ings of the Drugs Consultative Committee, period to gain any experience. meetings of the Zonal State Drugs Cont- rollers and through discussions of the Zonal Officers with the State Drugs Cont- wrofor srwlftwft sw r, w w j t rol officials any by correspondence. This constant exchange of information helps coordination and intensification of quality control measures. *1038. sft 3THWW Tlf wteft: WT fowl w h IWW v m rr ipft Iff WcTT* Pilot Projects for Multiple Cropping f a r n srrsrtfW tfw ra , % 5TST f t if ffcTT* *1037. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased % wvtrj w r v r ***** *r w t to state: *Fi4srr£t | ? (a) the number of pilot projects for multiple cropping launched so far in tbe country; ftiw, wror wr tfwfii (b) the main features of these projects- (sft° : forosr and TW fWT «WT $ I

(c) the experience gained through the working of these projects? f a r w THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI f q ^ r ir f a n rfo ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) Govern- trrf* ito wnwr «fa fofw % m % 47 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 48

f t f t o sfuft % srnmi tfa* 1, 1972 % | STT^TTT tfr narwr wntwrr^rr *c*rrf5 ti) i ti«r ^rnff t t w m r % $ $ «pw Tfoft (b) if so, the broad outlines thereof? % 5*era7 fom «fk «ro

Allotment of Land to Harijans (a) whether there is a proposal with •Bd Adivasfj in M.P. Government to ooen autonomous Medical Institutions/Universities on the lines of 7662. SHRI MARTAND SINGH : Agricultural University in each State; and Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (b) if so, the salient features thereofT

(a) tbe number of Harijans and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Adivasis who have been benefited with MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY allotment of lands during last two years, PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTO- in the State of Madhya Pradesh; and PADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). The suggestion for the establishment of a (b) the details regarding the land in Medical University in each State was acres distributed and the criteria adopted made by Dr. A. K. N. Sinha in his by Government while distributing the Presidential Address at the National land to the landless people ? Conference on Medical Education at New Delhi organised by the Indian Medical THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Association from September 26 to 28, THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE 1971. (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). The information is being This suggestion was made in order to collected and will be placed on the Table bring about uniformity in the standard of the House, when received. of medical education and examinations. It is envisaged that such a University will be an affiliating body for all the Medical Opening of Institute of Phjrical Colleges in a State and will exercise Education control over these Medical Colleges and their attached Hospitals. 7664. SHRI VEKARIA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND This matter is under examination. SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) Whether Government propose to Bus Service from Secretariat side to open an Institute of Physical Education Trans-Yamuna Area in the Qujarat State on the lines of one opened at Gwalior; and 7666. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND (b) if so, the sahent feature of the TRANSPORT be pleased to state : proposal t (a) whether the D.T.C. buses going THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE towards Trans-Jamuna area from MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND Secretariat side are not at all regular and SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. always miss the trip; and RAMASWAMY): (a) No, Sir. (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND Autonomous Medical Institutions TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): (a) and (fo). Due to congestion at the 7665. SHRI VEKARIA : Will the Jamuna Bridge, buses plying between the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY Trans-Jamuna colonies and the city, PLANNING be pleased to state : . including Secretariat, are quite often held 51 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 52

up for considerable time. This results in distribution, Urea and M.O.P. are sold upsetting of the schedules and consequent of cultivators at the retail price of Rs. missing of trips. Another reason for 959 and Rs. S54 per tonne respectively. missing of trips is the presence of overaged buses in D.T.C. fleet, constituting about (c) Muriate of Potash is not produced thirty per cent of the total fleet. It is not in the country. The cost of domestic a fact that D.T.C. buses plying between urea varies from factory to factory, Secretariat and trans-Jamuna colonies are depending on various efficiency factors not at all regular and always miss trips. and raw material costs. Generally, the During April, 1972, sixty-three per cent of cost of domestic production of Urea the trips on these routes were operated appears to be higher than that according to the schedule. of imported Urea.

The requirements of imported fertilisers Agreement with Soviet Union for of different States are assessed in consulta- the Supply of Fertilisers tion with the State Governments and domestic manufacturers in half-yearly 7667. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- Zonal Conferences. The deficit is met by JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of importing fertilisers which are distributed AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : to the States. Thus, the State whose fertiliser needs can be met by indigenous (a) whether Government have arrived fertiliser manufacturers will receive less at an agreement with the Soviet Union for than those States whose needs are not met the supply of fertilisers; from domestic production. Efforts are being made to cover the deficit of the country’s (b) if so, the quantum of imports, the fertiliser requirements and it is expected price of purchase and the price of sale to that there will not be appreciable short* the consumers in States; and fall in 1972-73.

(c) comparison of the cost of the imported fertiliser with those produced Scheme for Small Farmer and Mediuas in the country and the share of the Farmer Development Ageacy in different States, out of the imported lot Kerala during 1972-73 and whether this will fully meet the internal requirements of the country and 7698. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will if not the shortfall that will still remain the Minister of AGRICULTURE be uncovered ? pleased to state :

THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE (a) a brief outline of the scheme to be MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE undertaken in Kerala in 1972-73 under (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : the Small Farmers Development Agency (a) Yes, Sir. and Medium Farmers Development Agency; and (b) Contracts have so far been entered into with U.S.S.R. for supply during (b) the total estimated expenditure on 1972-73 of 1.0 lakh tonnes of Urea and these schemes ? 40,000 tonnes of Muriate of Potash. The C & F price of Urea and Muriate of Potash THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE per tonne will be Rs. 485/- and Rs. 327.50 MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI respectively. After meeting the 15% JAGANNATH PAHADIA): (a) There is customs duty, handling costs at port, costs one MFAL and one SFDA Project in each of finance, storage, transportation and of the t«to districts viz., Cannanore and S3 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8,1394 (SAKA) Written Answers 54

Quitoil of Kerala State. While 8. F. D. A. the construction of an open berth, improve- coven the entire district, the M. F. A. L. ment of drafts at the berths by aquisition covers only a limited area. According to of additional dredgers, procurement of available information, programmes relat- mechanical cargo handling equipment, ing to soil conservation, land levelling, such as forklift trucks, heavy mobile horticulture, demonstration, installation cranes, etc , introduction of night pilotage of dugwells, tubewells, pumpsets, lift and provision of additional werehousing irrigation, development of dairy, poultiy facilities. The Plan Programme also and piggery, strengthening cooperative includes the construction of a super tanker institutions, provision of custom service berth for catering to deep draft oil tankers facilities, development of rural artisans bringing crude oil for the Cochin Refinery and rural works programmes for agricul- and a fertiliser berth to meet the require- tural labourers are proposed for 1972 73; ments of raw material imports for the and fertilizer project.

(b)Tbe four Agencies have estimated an outlay of Rs. 2.5crores in the form of Rural Water Supply Schemes risk fund to cooperatives, subsidy to 7070. PROF. NARAIN CHAND individuals, and institutions and admini- PARASHAR : Will the Minister of strative expenditure, for all the programmes HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be proposed by them. pleased to state :

(a) whether the shortage of G. I. pipes Freight handled b> Cochin Port has been responsible for the delay in the during 1970 71 and 1971-72 execution of Rural Watei Supply Schemes 7609. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Wjll in the country; and - . the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- (b) if so, the steps taken by Govern- PORT be pleased to state : ment to overcome this shortage ?

(a) the total quantity of cargo handled THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE by the Cochin Port in the years 1970-71 MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY and 1971-72; and PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTOPA- DHYAYA): (a) Some States have repo- (b) the steps tuken to increase the rted that due to the shortage of G. I. capacity of this port ? pipes, difficulty is being experienced in the implementation of the rural water supply THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- programme. TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (b)The question of augmenting the (a) The total quantity of traffic handled by supply of G. I. pipe is being looked into the Cochin Port during the years 1970-71 in consultation with Ministry of Indus- and 1971-72 is as follows;— trial Development. Meanwhile, the State Governments have been advised to (in lakh tonnes) substitute G. I. pipes with P. V. C. pipes 1970-71 48.40 (Actuals) wherever feasible to see that the programme of rural water supply does not suffer. 1971*72 46.56 (Provisional)

(b)A number of schemes have been Sanction of rural water supply schemes included in the Fourth Five Year Pian Programme of Cochin Port for augmenting 7671. PROF. NARAIN CHAND tl* capacity of the Port. These include PARASHAR i Will the Minister of 55 Written Answers MAY 29,1972 Written Answers 56

HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be rural water supply schemes which were pleased to state: technically approved by the Central Public Health Engineering and Environ* (a) the number of Rural Water Supply mental Organisation of the Ministry of Schemes sanctioned for each State and Health and Family Planning during the Union Territory in the year 1971*72; year 1971-72 is given in the attached state- ment. (b) the number of schemes which have been completed; and (b) and (c). Rural water supply is a (c) the reasons for delay in the comple- State Sector programme. The responsibi- tion of the remaining area ? lity of drawing up of various schemes, their execution, issuing of financial sanction for THT MINISTER OF STATE IN THE such schemes, etc. is entirely of the State MINISTRY OF HFALTH AND FAMILY Governments. The required information PLANNING (PROF. D P. CHATTOPA- is, therefore, not available with the DHYAYA): (a) Information about the Government of India.

Statement

S No. State No. of Schemes Name of the Scheme technically approved

l. Assam 1 Water Supply Scheme for Jamuguru Village (Assam).

2. Gujarat (i) Chhapar Water Supply Scheme (Bulsar) Gujarat. (n) Water Supply Scheme Katwara (Panchmahal) Gujarat.

3. Himachal Pradesh Swarghat Village {Bilaspur, Himachal Pradesh) Water Supply Scheme. 4. Haryana (i) Water Supply Scheme of Atela- Barsana (Mohmdergarh District Haryana). (u) Water Supply Scheme of Nagina, Assika, Jhirka villages (Haryana). (iii) Water Supply Scheme of Gordhri, Panihar Chak Qawar (Hissar, Haiyana). (iv) Water Supply Scheme for Sindhwi Khera etc. (7 Nos ) in Block Jind, District Jind Haryana. (v) Water Supply Scheme of Barsi, Sajjan Para villages in Haiyana. 57 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8.1894 (S ^) Written Answer, 58

5. Punjab 3 (i) Loshlmbli & Jamtat Garh group of villages (Patiala District) Punjab. (ii) Water Supply Scheme of Sikhwala villages Punjab. (iii) Water Supply Scheme of Maili Sanangwali Taowal (Punjab).

Reral Water Snpply Schemes PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTOPA- DHYAYA): (a) and (b) On 30th April, 7672. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 1972. 14 rural water supply schemes were PARASHAR Will the Minister of pending for technical approva' in the HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING Central Public Health Engineering and be pleased to state: Environmental Organisation of the Mini- stiy of Health and Family Planning Some (a) whether thirty rural water supply of the schemes have been discussed by the schemes still under examination of the officers of the Organisation with the Ministry are to be approved within a officers concerned of States who have certain period; been requested to furnish (urthcr technical details and clarifications. Although the (b) if so, the period by which they schemes are being urgently processed, it would be finally approved or rejected; ts not possible to indicate any definite time by which final decision will be taken (c) tbe period by which these approved m respect of the schemes. schemes would be executed and completed; (c) It is not possible to indicate the and period by which the approved schemes would be executed and completed because (d) the State*wise break up-of these implementation of schemes is left entirely schemes pending for Central approval ? to the State Governments THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) The required information is given MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY in the attached statement.

Statement

S. No. Name of tbe No of Schemes Name oi the Scheme States pending

1. Assam Simaluguri Revised Water Supply Scheme. 2. Gujarat Central Bara Tract group of villages, District Broach for Rs. 124.76 lakhs. 3. Himachal Pradesh (i) Praur, Kharot, etc., villages Water Supply Scheme, District Kangra for Rs. 6.28 lakhs. (ii) Longwalti and Bomson Water Supply Scheme for Rs. 41.61 lakhs. 59 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 W ritm Answers 60

4 Punjab 3 (1) Mallewal. Pojewal, etc., group of villages Water Supply Scheme for Ra 26.76 lakhs. (n) Raila group Pt. 1 Water Supply Scheme for R. 72 lakhs. (m )Jhunir group Pt. U (76 villages Flourosis affected) Water Supply Scheme for Rs. 42 lakhs. 5 Chandigarh l Kajheri villages Water Supply Scheme forRs 1.57 lakhs. 6 Rajasthan 6 (Schemes of Rajasthan pending technical scrutiny under Drought Prone Areas Programme): ( » Santhu to Akoll villages Water Supply Scheme District Jalore for Rs 13 lakhs (ii)Nokhra to Champasar villages Water Supply Scheme District Jodhpur for Rs. IS SO lakh*. (m)Somesar to Suwalia villages Water Supply Scheme District Jodhpur for Rs. IS lakh*.

(iv) Boyl to Kaparda villages Water Supply Scheme District Jodhpur forR s 14 SO lakhs (v) Panchroli Chandia villages Water Supply Scheme for Rs 20 lakhs. (vi) Bagagaon to Chaned villages Water Supply Scheme for Rs. 19 lakhs

Condition of Type E Quarter* of aeeping through them during the rainy Dev Nagar season; (b) if so, the reason therefor: 7673. DR. JIVRAJ MEHTA j Will (c) whether Government have received the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- any suggestion from the Central Public ING be pleased to state : Works Department Office, Dev Nagar for (a) whether walls of a large number replastering of the roof parapets and of Type-E quarters in Dev Nagar, New Installation of tubewells to drain out subsoil Delhi remain damp and water starts water in that are*; and 61 Writt** A m rnn JYAISTHA 8. 1894ISAKA) Written Answer* 02

(d) if so, when was the suggestion 1967, the Laxmi Nagar Colony at received and the decision taken thereon 7 Patparganj Road does not cover "Laxmi Nagar ‘J* Extension Colony” . THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- ING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) Plastic Silo* Being Sold by P. C. I Yes, Sir. 7675. SHRI DEV1NDER SINGH (b) The main reason for dampness GARCHA : Will the Minister of AGRI- is non-provision of Damp Proof Course CULTURE be pleased to state : in these quarters at the time of con* struct ion and rise of sub soil water (a) whether Plastic silos to protect level. foodgrains manufactured by a private firm are being sold by Food Corpora- (c) No, Sir. tion of India;

(d) Does not arise. But whole matter (b) if so, whether the Food Corpora- is being looked into. tion will be in a position to meet the entire demand of the country and the estimated demand ; and Unauthorised Colonies ia Delhi (c) if not, whether any other firm 7674. SHRI LILADHAR KOTOKI : has applied for the manufacture of plastic Will the Minister of WORKS AND silos, if so, the main features there- HOUSING be pleased to lefer to tbe of? reply given to part (b) of Unstarred Question No. 5412 on the 8th May, 1972 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE regarding unauthorised colonies in Delhi MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHR I and state : ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir. The Food Corporation of India (a) the names of the 59 colonies, out of 101 colonies listed in Statement-11 laid and the Central Food Technological on the Table, which have since been Research Institute, Mvsore, have, how- regularised ; and ever, jointly worked on developing plastic silos in association with one private firm (b) whether Laxmi Nagar, Patparganj (viz, Polyene Industries) having facilities Road ‘J’ Extension Colony is considered for manufacturing these silos. So far as a separate colony or it is covered by the only a few demonstrations have been Laxmi Nagar Patparganj Road Colony arranged about the utility of such silos above ? at the farm level.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) this is only a promotional act!- MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- vity designed to check wastage of food- ING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) A grains during storage and hence the ques- Statement is laid on the Table of the tion as to whether the F. C. I. will be in House. [Placed in library. See No. LT- a position to meet the entire demand of the country does not arise. 3079/72]

(b) According to tbe survey conducted (c) the fabrication of plastic silos by the Delhi Municipal Corporation (in at this stage is only of an exploratory 1967) of the 101 unauthorised colonies nature and in the preliminary stage of which had come into existence between experimentation and no other Arm has 1st September, 1962 and 3lst January. applied so far. 63 Written Answers MAY 29. 1972 Written Answers 64

Scheme lor Coast ruction of H oorn for (c) whether Government have any Scheduled Castes and Scheduled plan to modify the Master Plan accord- Tribes. ingly ; and

7676. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY : (d) if so, the time by which it would Will the Minister of EDUCATION be carried out 7 AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state * THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- (a) whether any such Scheme, as ING (SHRI I K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, staled by Director of Social Welfare Sir. Department, Andhra Pradesh a few days back, comprising an estimated expenditure (b) Yes, Sir. of ten crores of rupees and construction and handing over of 55,000 houses by the (c) No, Sir. end of June 1972 to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes, was sent to the Centre (d) Does not arise. by the Government of Andhra Pradesh for us approval and financial assistance ; Proposal for Shifting tbe Allottees of (b) if so, the Government's reaction D. D. A. Quarters at Jhtll Mill Colony thereto ; and 7678. SHRI MOHANRAJ (c) the main features of the Scheme ? KALINGARAYAR : Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased THfc DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE to state: MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. (a) whether Government propose to KAMASWAMY) . (a) No, Sir shift the allottees of D. D A. quarters I he Government of Andhra Pradesh at Jhill Mil Colony, Delhi-Shahdara; have, however, a scheme to provide 55,546 house* at a cost of Rs. 10 crores (b) if so, the reasons therefor; to Scheduled Castes/Tribes and Backward and Cldcs.es with loan assistance from Life Insurance Corporation of India tc) whether the allottees would be provided alternative accommodation in (b) and (c) Does not arise. lieu and if so, the place and time thereof ?

Change of Green Belt into Residential THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Area MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- ING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : (a) No, 7677. SHRI LILADHAR KOTOKI: Sir. Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to state : (b) and (c) Does not arise. (a) whether ‘Shastri Nagar' near Sarai Rohilla has been marked as Green Bolt In the Master Plan of D elhi; Institutions Imparting Regional Languages

(b) whether several representations 7679. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- made by tbe residents of Colony regard* JHUNWALA : WIU the Minister of Ing the change of Green Belt into Resi- EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE dential area have been received; be pleated to Mate: 65 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8. 1894 (S^JM) Written Answers 66

(a) whether while arrangements for Ai m of Laad Irrigated Through teaching foreign languages in the evening Government Resoarces aad Private exist in the Capital; no such provision Resources has been made to locate institutions run by Government for teaching regional 7680. SHRI BHOGBNDRA JHA : will iauguages of the country at cheaper cost; the Minister of AGRICULTURE be and pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 699 on the 20th (b) what arrangements being made to March, 1972 regarding cultivable land in establish such institutions in the Capital the country and state the land out of the and all over the country to promote a total cultivable land which is irrigated sense of integrity in the country? by Government and private resources separately, State>wise? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The D. P. YADAV): (a) Yes, Sir, However, present system of collection of agricultural facilities for learning regional languages statistics does not provide for separate exist in the Delhi University, many figures of irrigated area by Government schools in the capital including schools and private sources except for canal run by Government, and some private irrigation. The latest available data on Institutions, a few of which receive grants sources of irrigation at all India level from Government. mostly relates to the year 1968-69. Accordingly, a statement showing the State-wise figures of cultivable area, not (b) The three-language formula in irrigated area and its sourcewise break- which a regional language other than the up is laid on the Table of the House. mother-tongue is taught to school students IPIaced in library. See No. LT-3080/72] is in qperation ail over the country, except the State of Tamil Nadu, with a view to promoting a sense of integrity in the country. Many of the schools giving Educational Institations financed by instruction under this formula are Foreign Missionary Organisations Government institutions. With a view 7681. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- to providing better teaching of regional JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of languages in the schools in the States EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARB and Union Territories, Government of be pleased to state: India have set up four Regional Language Centres at Mysore, Bhubaneswar, Patiala (a) the names of the educational and Poona In which training is given institutions in Delhi which are to the teachers of regional languages substantially aided by foreign missionary working in different schools in the organisations; country. Besides, Government of India have a Scheme of Assistance to Voluntary (b) whether as a result of stoppage or Organisations for the Promotion of Indian slowing down of assistance from these Languages under which assistance upto foreign organisations some of these 75% is available for Voluntary Organise* institutions a n likely to be closed down; turns taking up teaching of regional and languages. Similar facilities for teaching Hindi on a voluntary basis In non-Hindi (e) the action proposed to be taken by speaking States are also available. Government in the nutter ? 67 Written Antwert MAY 29, 1972 Written Antwert 68

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) if eo. the contents of the Memo- MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND randum and the action taken by the SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE Government of India thereon? DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D . P. YADAV) : (a) to (c) The requisite information is bring collected and will be THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE placed on the Table of the Sabha as early MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND as possible SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THB DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV): (a) and (b) No such Announcements about Procurement memorandum has been received from Price* of Foodgraln* before sowing any Teachers’ Association. However, two applications have been received, one 7682. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- relating to the upgrading of the Govern- JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of ment Primary School, Khertan. district AORICUTURE be pleased to state : Kangra, forwarded by Shn Shashi Bhushan, Member of this Sabha, and (a) whether Government have taken a tbe other concerning the upgrading and decision to make announcements about the the taking over of the Gram Panchayat procurement prices of foodgrains before High School, Khatiar, (also of district the sowing is done; Kangra) forwarded by SHRI Churn Mam, M.L.A. through Shri Suntf (b) if so, whether m pursuance of the Prasad, Member of Rajya Sabha. Both above decision, any announcement has cases have been referred to the been made for the next crops; and Government of Himachal Pradesh as (c) if so, the particulars thereof, crop* action lies with them wise and if no announcement has been made, the time by which it will be done 7 Old Age Pension THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 7684. SHRI D K. PANDA : Will the ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c) Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL Government have decided to announce WELFARE be pleased to refer to the reptyr the procurement price of the next wheat given to Unstarred Question No. 1791 in crop before the sowing season. the Lok Sabha on the 3rd April, 1972 regarding Old Age Pension and state:

Upgrading and taking over of (a) whether the information in respect Schools in H. P- of cases of old age pension has since been 7683. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA : received for Himachal Pradesh; and Will the MinUter of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to (b) if so, the number of beneficiaries state : from Himachal Pradesh during 1971*72 and current year? (a) whether Government of India has received any memorandum from the THB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB Teachers’ Association and M.LAs of MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND Himachal Pradesh through Members of SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- Parliament regarding upgrading and SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir. t»ving over of schools in Himachal Pradesh; and lb) 1971-72—1828 69 Wntten 4»r*srs JYAlSHA 8. j 1894 {SAKA) Written Answers 70

Current year-1828. Pension has not THBOBPUTY MINISTER IN THB been given t

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Enquiry into sinking of Sweedish Gift MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. Vessel attached to Madras Unit of SHER SINGH): The ex-factory^cost Central Institute of Fisheries of production in each zone has to Operatives be calculated on the basis of average duration and sugar recovery for 7687.. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will the season in each zone. As the current the Minister of AGRICULTURE be plea- season is still on, and some sugar factories are still working, the cost of production sed to state: cannot be worked out precisely at this (a) whether the new Sweedish gift stage vessel “ Red snapper” attached to the Madras Unit of the Central Institute of Fisheries Operatives got almost sunk at the Setting up of Primary School In each harbour by getting sea water in the Engine Block Room; 7686 PROF. NARAIN CHAND (b) whether any enquiry has been PARASHAR : conducted to fix responsibility in this reg- SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: ard; and

Will the Minister of EDUCATION (c) if so, the results thereof ? AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state . THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THB (a) whether it » proposed to start at MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI least one primary School in each Block and ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) While the one Higher Secondary School of the Dist- vessel “ Red Snapper" was undergoing rict level during the current financial year; annual overhaul at the Madras harbour, it was noticed on the morning of Monday, (b) if so, the criteria for selecting such the Sth July 1971, that sea water had ent- sites; ered the engine and forward compartment. The water was baled out by 10 a. u . and (c) whether the sites should be selected the main engine was restarted the next day. by the Central Government in consultation with the local Members of Parliament; (b) and (c) A committee consisting of and two technical officers of the Institute enquired into the incident. Their report (d) if so, the date by which such was submitted to tbe Director of the Insti- schools would be set up ? tute who raised certain queries and asked 71 Wrttum Atuwtrs MAY 29,1972 Wrimn Answers 72 die Deputy Director In charge of the branch (a) whether the Central Council for at Madras to review the report. Tbe final Research in Indian Medicine and Homo- report it awaited. eopathy is carrying research projects in Ayurveda, Unani Tibb and Homoeopathy;

Purchase of Lead Io Goiabl Bagh by the (b) the particulars of the technical staff Gnjranwala House of Building in each of the above systems working in Cooperative Society, Delhi the Head quarters Office of tbe Council;

7688. DR. LAXMINARMN (c) the number of Osntral Research PANDEYA: Will the Minister of WORKS Institutes/Regional Research Centres/ AND HOUSING be pleased to refer to Research Units/Research Enquiries func- the reply given to Unstarred Question No. tioning in the Central Conncil for Research 1799 on the 3rd April, 1972 regarding the in Indian Medicine and Homoeopathy amount paid by the Gujranwala House pertaining to the different systems of Building Cooperative Society, Delhi for medicine systemvms break-up; and purchase of land and state :

(a) whether the negotiation for the (d) the amount spent on each of the purchase of land in Gulabi Bagh was above systems during the year 1970-71, started by the Society, which the Govern- 1971 72 and the budget figure for the ment had initiated acquisition proceed- current financial year ? ings; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) if so, whether this fact was brought MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMI- to the notice of the General Body of the LY PLANNING (SHRI A K KISKU): Society while taking approval for the (a) Yes. purchase of land in Gulabi Bagh; and (b) Tbe information relating to the (c) the reasons for negotiating the pur- technical Maflf working in the Head- chase when the land was notified for acqui- quarters Office of the Council is as sition and the steps taken to safeguard the under — interest of the members of the Society and fix responsibility for the purchase of this Name of posts No. of posts land? Ayurveda Unani Homo- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE eopathy MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- Deputy ING (SHRI I. K. G U JRA L): (a) Nego- Director l Nil Nil tiations were started before the Govern- Assistant ment initiated acquisition proceedings. Directors 2 * 1 Nil 1 (b) and (c) Do not arise. Research Officer Nil Assistant Rese- arch Officers 3 Nil Nil Technical StafT Works In Ayurvedic, Unaal Research Tibb and Homoeopathic Sections of Assistants 3 1 1 Central Conncil for Research in Indian Medicine and Homoeopathy ♦The research work pertaining to the 7689. SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN Unani System is looked after by the ANSAR1: Will the Minister of HEALTH Senior Research Officer (Unani) of the AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased Ministry of Health and Family Planning to state t (Department of Health). 73 Written Answers. JYAISTHA 8. 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

.(c) The requisite information it given in Ayurveda, Unani and Siddha Systems of tbe statement laid on the Table of the Indian Medicine, there is a common Home. [Placed la Library. See No. LT— Adviser who is also assisted by a Senior 3081/721. Research Officer (Unani).

(d) The amount (pent on each of these (b) No, there is no provision in the systems of Ayurveda, Unani Tibb and Fourth Five Year Plan for the setting up Homoeopathy during the year 1970*71, of any such Institute. 1971*72 and the budget figures for the current financial year Is as indicated (c) There is no appreciable demand for below the opening of any Unani dispensary under the Central Government Scheme. 1970-71 1971-72 1972-73 However, the matter is under considera- (B.E.) tion. Rs. Rs. Rs. Ayurveda 25,55.442 65,49,214 67,96,500 Shortage of Doctors in Rural Areas Unani 7691. SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN Tibb 89.494 3,50,286 6,05,000 ANSARI : Will the Minister ot HEALTH Homoeo- AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased pathy 7,33,934 6,36,825 6,96,000 to state :

(a) whether there is acute shortage of Separate Adviser for Homoeopathy doctors in rural areas; and

7690. SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN (b) if so, whether Government are ANSARI: considering to appoint Hakims instead ? SHRI RAJDGO SINGH . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister for HEALTH AND MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to FAMILY PLANNING (PROF. D. P. state : CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) In so far as Primary Health Centres are concerned, (a) whether there is a separate Advisor only about 3.4% of them were without for Homoeopathy but for not Unanr, doctors as on 31st December, 1971. How- (b) whether Government are consider- ever, in (he rural areas as a whole there ing to establish All India Institute for is shortage of doctors. Unanr, if not. the reasons therefor; and (b) Efforts are being made to strengthen (c) whether Government’s attention has the medical and health cure facilities in been drawn to the necessity of opening the rural areas by tho utilisation of the Unani (Dispensary under Central Govern* available manpower under the various sys- ment Health Scheme; if so, the steps tems of medicines including the indigenous Government propose to take in this systems. behalf?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Probe Against Delhi Development MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMI- Authority LY PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTO- PADHYAYA) : (a) There is a separate 7692. SHRI BISHWANATH honorary Adviser for Homoeopathy. For JHUNJHUNWALA: Will the Minister 73 Writttn Answers MAY 29,1972 Mfrmtn Answers 76

of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to Allocation for Small Farmers a ad state: Managerial Farmers Development Agency la A. P. (a) whether Government are consider' 7693. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY; Will ing to institute a probe vide item in tbe the Minister of AGRICULTURE be “ Times of India” dated the 16th May, pleased to state; 1972 against the D. D. A. authorities who often thwarted steps to help the weaker (a) the amount of money allocated sections of society ; and for each Small Farmers Development Agency (S. F. D. A.) and for each project for Marginal Farmers and Agricultural (b) whether the probe has since been Labourers (M. F. A. L.) in Andhra instituted and if so, the time by which it Pradesh, since their inception; and is likely to be completed ? (b) money spent actually and the details of targets achieved under each THE MINISTER OF SI ATE IN THE scheme 7 MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (SHRI I K GUJRAL) • (a) THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB No, Sir. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA): (a) (b) Does not arise. and(b) The amount released and spent by the three SFDAS and to MFALS in Andhra Pradesh State:

(Rs in lakhs)

District of the Amount Amount spent Agency released (Based on Progress reports reed) 1970-71 1971-72 ti. F. D As 1. Cuddapah 5.00 17.50 11.52 2. Naigonda 700 14.00 17.36 3. Srikakulam 5.00 1300 8.93

17.00 44.50 37 81

MFALS: 1. Naigonda 3.00 8,70 6.80 2. Visakhapatnam 5.00 4,00 5.21

&00 12.70 12.01

Under SFDA Schemes is the state, targets achieved are two tubewells, 1,261 96*236 participants have been Identified dugwells, 1,301. Motor and pumpsets and out of which 9,427 were brought under 474 milch cattle unit* and eleven poultry cooperative fold. Other important units, by the and of Mereh, 1972. 77 Writtm Answers JYAISTHA 8.1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 78

Under MFAL Schemes, 18,209 parti- framers held in New Delhi during April. cipants have been identified out* of which 1972 certain difficulties in implementa- 5,662 h«ve boat) brought under the tion of minor irrigation programmes in cooperative fold. Other important the SFDA/MFAL project areas, due to targets achieved are one tube well, 630 criteria adopted by the Ground Water dugwells, 593 pumpsets and 1,745 milch Directorate (GWD) were brought to the cattle units and 47 poultry units by the notice by representatives of Andhra end of March, 1072. Pradesh Government.

(d) The matter is undei examina- Small Farmers and Marginal Farmers tion. Development Agency in Andhra Pradesh Unauthorised Colonies in Delhi 7694. SHRI Y. E8WARA REDDY : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 7695. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR . Will be pleased to state : the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply given to part (a) whether the issuing of loans SFDA (a) of the Starred Question No. 325 on the and under MFAL in Andhra Pradesh for 10th April, 1972 regarding Unauthorised sinking of new wells and installing new pum- Colonies in Delhi and State : psets has been greatly hampered due to the non clearance of schemes by Ground (a) the names of 36 colonies which are Water Directorate (GWD); situated in non-conforming areas or in areas where few structures exist; (b) whether, as a result many vill- ages in Cuddapah. Nalgonda, Srikakulam (b) whether building plans for construc- and Visakhapatnam Districts are either tion are sanctioned in the colonies which completely excluded from the Schemes have since been regularised and if not, the or are very much limited to the grant teasons ilierefoi; and of clearance of such scheme* ;

(c) whether the project authorities (c) whether House Building Loans are and the findings of hydro-geological sanctioned to tbe Government Servants investigations carried out by the Andhra owning plots in these colonies and if not, Pradesh Agro-industries Corporation the reasons therefor ? for SFDA dispute the very basis of Ground Water Directorate’s assumptions, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE while the Rural Electrification Corpora- MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- tion and the financing Nationalised 1NU (SHRI 1. K. GUJRAL) (a) State- banks also come into conflicts with ment attached. the Ground Water Directorate ; and (b) Building plans can be entertained (d) if so, the attempt made for only by the competent authority after the effective coordinated action in solving land is acquired and plots/houses adjusted the problem ? in ihe regularisation plans are leased out. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (c) They would not be eligible for (SHRI JAGANNATH PAHAD1A): (a) loans unless building plans duly appro- to (c) During discussions in the Na- ved by the competent authority are tional Seminar on small and marginal produced. 79 Written Anewers MAY 29. 1972 Written Answers 80

S t a t e m e n t 34 Shankar Pun on Najafgarh Road 35. Adar&h Nagar (Part). S. No. Name of Coloniet 36. Sarai Peepal Thala Extension, U Bhola Nath Nagar, deleted portion 2 Viihnu Garden Extn *T* Block 3 Vishnu Garden txtn* 'K* Block. Provision of Industrial Disputes Act tn Non teaching Staff forVarious 4 Shn Niwas Puri New Delhi. Universitiea 5 Rameshwar Nagar Extn near Model Towo 7696 SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 6 Mohan Park near Model Town the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 7. Major Bhupmder Singh Colony foi- state merly known as Sant Garh 8 Harijan Colony Jatav Basti, Bhola (a) whether the non-teaching staff of Nath Nagar Universities is not covered by Industrial 9. Suraj Bhan Block, G T Road Disputes Act, and 10 Saraswati Garden Extn (b) whether Government propose to 11. Hari Nagar *J’ Block apply the provisions of Industrial Disputes 12 Shastri Nagar near Sarai Rohilla Act to the non-teaching staff of Universi- ties in the country ’ 13 Nehru Parbdt at Upper Ridge Road IHE DLPUTY MINISTER IN THE 14 Vishnu Garden F’ Block MINIS IRY OF EDUCATION AND 15 Rampura Extn. Colonies (Hansa SOCIAL WELFARE AND JN THB DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D Puri Budh Nagar etc.) P. YADAV) (a) According to a Supreme 16 Dharam Pura (hast) Gandhi Nagar Court ruling Universities cannot be 17 Rattan Bagh Colony considered to be engaged m an 'Industry* 18 Shad Nagar defined in the Industrial Disputes Act, 1947 19 Raj Nagar I Near Palam Rai I way Station 20 Palam Enclave (b) The matter is being considered by Goi ernment Uttam Nagar (deleted portion) 22 Fast Guru Angad Nagar 23 Pandav Nagar Allocation for Tube wells for Small 24 1 wo rows of plots near Shakarpur Fanners daring 1971-72 and 1972 73 Khas 25 Vishnu Garden (Part) 7697 SHRI SAT PAL kAPUR Wul the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 26 Vishnu Garden ‘J* & ‘P’ Blocks pleased to state 27 Vishnu Garden ‘S’ Block. 28. Vishnu Garden *N* Block (a) the scheme for providing tube-well facilities to small farmers and marginal 29 Nangal Raya Extn farmers for farming poultry* piggery etc., 30 Han Nagar Block M. S. (b) the loans advanced by Government 31 Golden Park at Rohtak Road these farmers for Tube-wells during the 32. Vishwas Nagar (Part) last three years, year-wise and State-wise; 33 Preet Nagar. and 81 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 82

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Allocation of Funds for Mechanised (b) No specific provision was made by Panning during 1972 73 the Govt, of India during the last year for mechanised farming for Small and 7698. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR. Marginal Farmers. Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: Indo-Norwegiaa Project, Cochin (a) the provision made by Government for 1872-73 for mechanised farming for 7699 SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: •mall and marginal farmers; and Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to stale: (b) the provision made during last year, the amount spent and tbe States and (a) whether the Indo-Norwcgian Fishe- Districts covered ? ries Project established at Cochin where 13 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 84 more than 150 worker* are employed, is (b) the penalty provided for charging denying the workers the primary trade more interest than legally provided and union rights and indulging in victimisa- the number of money, moneylenders tion and harrashment of the workers; penalised for violating the same during last three years; and (b) whether Government h«we received any complaint in this matter; and (c) the steps being taken or proposed to be taken in this regard ? (c) the step Government intend to take redress the gjievances of the workers ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (e) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The subject to money-lenders and money- MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI lending is included as item 30 in the State ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b) List of Vllth Schedule to the Constitution The activities of the Indo-Norwegian Pro- of India. The Central Government is, ject donot constitute an industry within the therefore, not directly concerned. The meaning of Section 2 (j) of the Industrial maximum rate of interest allowed on Disputes Act. Aa such, the question of secured and unsecured Joans under the violation of trade union rights ot the Money Lending legislation Statewise are : workers does not arise. The Government however, given in Appendix X of the have received complaints to the effect that "Report of the Expert Group on State the employees of the Project are not being Enactments having a Bearing on Com- given trade union rights. The e n iloy ees mercial Banks’ Lending to Agriculture” . associations making the complaints have This is a priced publication, issued by the objected to the non-inclusion of the Reserve Bank of India. Project under the provisions of the Industrial Disputes Act. It has also been alleged that the workers are being victimi- sed and harrassed. No cpecific complaints Environmental Pol lotion of victimisation have, however, been 7701. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH: Will made. the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : (c) The grievances of the workers represented through the various associa- (a) whether President of Visakhapat- tions in respect of terms and conditions of nam Branch of the Indian/Meteorological service have been receiving careful atten- Society recently said thai the growth of tion. Discussions have been held with the Public Sector industries was largely res- representatives of the associations, and ponsible for environmental pollution as suitable action is being taken to the extent “ no one was responsible—everyone a possible on their various demands master”; and

(b) if so. Government's reaction there- Rate of Interest to?

7700. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA i THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMI- pleased to state: LY PLANNING (PROF. D. P. C H \TTO - PADHYAYA): (a) and (b) According to (a) the legal rates of interest and the report of the District Medical and Health actual rate of interest prevalent in the Officer. Visakhapstnam, received from the States and Union Territories; Government of Andhra Pradesh, Dr. $5 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8,1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 86

fUmanadham, President of Indian Meteo- y i WWW wwT W iW H j ^ rological Society of Vfsakhspatnam spok e VRWTWf WNWf % ftW[ on tbe subject of Air Pollution during tbe celebrations of the Twelfth World/Meteo- WWW flftffif ftT HW rological Day on 23rd March, 1972 but he did not make any such statement. Tbe 7703. iNtlfwi: *TT fwhjf Government of India, however, propose iffc w m w *iift v t f m to bring forth legilation to control the pro* blem of air pollution in the country.

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(*r) $i, ?r> sfafer % fofcr *TT «rWT % q[* 5T^ffT»r 'RfJTTt wf*RT fft «? ftn»rfTW vt 11 (w) qv fw w ^n*r 11 w k wwro h’www 3 t iw ■nft wifo %o gifTm): (w ) f i r o y «rk (sr) fefa«r (i) fW % fwwm* Dr^rv % arr t # ( ?wrr *nrr to?t (v) w t vwfrm, fwrt, mr«r, wg^w w ««rr vprjr (* ) m «fm f’ *rt % 6 *rftf ^ w r «rr«w % *Nffinr ftnmr i r o ftarw ro r i f fan% TOsff w t « ftmfcsr «frr% % fti^ sntar W fltttn Anjwtrs MAY 29. 1972 fVrtfUA AnJwtn «g

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^ sfcrfacr refwt, *nr?r (4) sft %o aft• * 5«ft, «ptjt 'fff'RTft WT 5nf»*ft>P % w - s h w *, ff*$«rw fr jf w *Mf cr«TT HTfa* wftt sp> ( 5) «ft sfto Hto m g r, W frpp *rm% ft imrft % faft *nj*cr fir^rrv (fiRTf*) ftpprfw «Pt »t$ ft I 7T«^tar w t (fwfar) ws*r, ftrwfw M r nft ?r i t e f t i *iT*te*rt % fw tf^ w r % faft «rnw*w Modification In Crash Programme for srfiwnjr srwrarwr vt Rural Employment sRTT»rr i 7704. SHRI O Y KRISHNAN Will w *rr»r?r *t cpr « n ro fw?

(1) The quantum of employment indigent sections of the com nunity and generated is being measured in terms of such other categories as were not taken “mandays” as difficulties were being up during the year 1971*72. experienced in measuring employment in terms of the number of persons.

(2) Tbe States have been allowed to substitute one scheme for another of 7705. irT%5*T SWT* t l W : the same kind. WT f f a 5KTT^ f q t (3) The State Governments have f a : been advised to draw up and implement programme twice as large as that for (*) wr fair* % the year 1971-72 with a view to ensuring full utilisation of funds and also to see ir t c s -t ssr s srfa* mm % that there is oo interruption in the w m zi jrterr tfix continuity of work during the slack season. The State Governments have (sr) §i, eft w *pt been requested to frame proposals for the next two years too. finrrc: if t o t * sptf sftw r^ ft «FT t vfe 5t, (4) Instead of making a uniform w r | ? allocation of Rs. 12.5 lakhs p^r district, the State Governments have been f f a permitted to distribute funds among the districts in such a manner as may take tvngnnf;* fa’*) ** (*p) into consideration the existence of % 5?r ip wrrtfi spr 25 jt Rkri special teatures and exceptional circumstances in a district. % 30 jfftnrs ?rw for $

(2) flfWJ * r s* lf : ment to convert these temporary dams $fvrr % w&t,

% sfofoRT, ^f«nr fasiT jws?* % sRrfa, fa^fafocr *je?t

(a) whether Government propose to (u ) tfesrnwft, t o qricT *rm*T, utilise the money allotted for the welfare of 5TOT $*T $«TC % fa* 50 SrfcT^cT Adivasi area-, of Chhotanagpur (Bthai) 3W R I under the guidance of the Union Govern- ment ; and (iii) irtfffa %?rt % fa* »wra (b) if so, the main features thereof, %TOt «TT 25 srf^r^Rr T O I THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 1HL (iv) vTiStoxm gfw nft s*r- MINISTRY OF EDUCA1ION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S % «Jj*r % faq 100 w r i RAMASWAMY) (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise. Inadequate Irrigation Facilities in M.P

7706. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE *itw w** vpft % be pleased to state : wroftmnW ta «ftwr ngrftni* (a) whether Government are aware tffafa firm t o t fHwrcrc that there are some areas in Madhya Pradesh where due to inadequate irriga- 7708. fw* lihrtf : WT vfa tion facilities fanners store the seasonal t t f t *r$ wt rri ^ fa : water by prepaimg small dams for using it for irrigation in the future; and (* ) m w (b) whether G >vernment propose to provide assistance to the State Govern- fc $ t( tm uroAv v fo ta nftw 93 W rum Answen JYAISTHA 8,1894 (S ^) Written Answers 94

JTSrfiWW sfafa *rt 19(57 3 * tf (a) whether the Director of Eduction, Delhi Administration has issued instruc- Fsrftar w w r r Ftot *t ; tions to terminate services of Punjabi language teachers appointed on ad hoc («r) *rf* ft, ?rt w f t ifTtm w basis, from 30th April, 1972 ;aad t ; * r t r ) tffc (sr). ’TTTcr a stay order about the promotion of aWHC fffTT ff%5T *THtft* TOstft* teachers transferred from the Municipal jftTsn JTfrfwJT «rF*rFer % sfrowft Corporation of Delhi, the Principals *t 3-2-67 «Ft ?r% to ^t of the Schools were authorised to fill *1% the short term vacancies on purely tem- n* srfar to to % mv $r$r n* porary basis so that the teaching work f*m?g vt qv sifer *r*rr q w T^t in the schools may not suffer. These appointments were made by the ^Tcft I I [TOWWT $ Tt?ft w t I tfe r it Principals concerned on the clear under- ^ Tr LT—3082/72] standing that their (ad-hoc teachers*) service will be terminated as soon as regular (*) *TT?r t o r ^ *rrar t o r * incumbents posted by the Directorate «Pt *p^eft 7ft I f3i?ft^ ntw of Education join or 30-4*1972, which- ever is earlier. In pursuance of these s Ft o ** H*mrr | *rr wt%«F orders, sc vices of all such incunbents of stFto?* toutt $ F* % sFtoft % all categories including Punjabi Language srf%? 48 ^t sfter % Fsft nref, Teachers stand terminated with effect from 30 4*72. No separate specific ■rajst *fa «r t 5«rre *fa orders were issued to terminate the % t o

u r s t o r % <”p jftTsrt afaFer Effect of Sino-Ceylon Agreement for *ft *Rtl I «ft mar t o t ss v t ffaftr % Establishments of Joint Shipping w

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- Historical Mommeais la J»mpor ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND City TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) (a) and (b) As very little of Ceylon’s 7712 SHRI RAJDEO SINGH foreign trade is carried by Indian ships, Will the Minister of EDUCATION the Agreement between Ceylon and AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased China is not likely to have much to state : adverse impact on our shipping, nor is (a) whether Government are aware that it likely to have any effect on our Jaunpur City in U P has a large territorial waters number of historical monuments dating back to 15th and 16th centuries, and i t t WT

(sr) v fe *pt t u r o r c v r flnrrr anrow % t o r v t Implementation o f Food Law* in farffcr *FT$? S fa f« 7714. SHRI NAWAL KI SHORE wfa w m * * t w *Ht («ft SINHA: iro&wtfff «rV« fer*) : (v) SHRI V. MAYAVAN : 1970-71 if, fffR *t 3** fto ?WT Will the Minister of HEALTH AND * • tit t o , fefa*rfcrm? tm FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to %?afhr *forr t sr*n*t TO % 65 sfferaRT s v ^ i fcr % (c) if so, the reaction of Government thereto 7 ^pff t o if v tvf5?nr^%

TR^J, TOT$ if «ffa*?R «P*ft g f I THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY FO HEALTH AND FAMILY (m) fjRft ^ «W if ^ w f f ^ t PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTO* T O *T f*TTO, ^^H ft*T

fop»% srfa * f a w ? *f TTMF (e) Government of India recognises fcnr i* faTO-faref vr* «nc srenf the need for the expansion and develop- ^t sjrt «t>tto fan tit TOt 11 ment of the Food Testing Laboratories in the country. However, this matter is fcsta T O T **ft W *TO TWcft I primarily the concern of the State fatpft t o t ! fafaqfar »r(f *r*at Governments and there is no approved scheme yet forgiving Central assistance tfffore to the State Governments/Local Bodies % « t t t otit t o w ( I for this purpose. 99 Written Answers MAY 29. 1972 Written Answers 100

Loir cost Housing Scheme evolved by (a) whether in the Banaras Hindu a Retired Chief Engineer of University, every Selection Committee for Western Railway teachers consists of more than the desired number of experts against the Statutes and 7715. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE judgement of Supreme Court; and SINHA: (b) if so, the reasons thereof ? SHRI PHOOL CHAND VERMA : THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE Will the Minister of WORKS AND (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (ft) and HOUSING be pleased to state: (b). According to Statute 27 of the Statutes of Banaras Hindu University, (a) whether a iow cost housing scheme as approved by the President of has been evolved by Mr. M. R. Venkata- India in his capacity as the Visitor of r ft ma n , a retired Chief Engineer of the University or October 31, 1970, Western Rail vay as an answer to acute Selection Committee for the post of Profes- housing shortage; sor shall, in ter-alia, consist of not less than three persons not being in the service of (b) whether other such housing schemes the University or member of the Executive are under the contemplation of Govern* Council, who have special knowledge of ment; and the subject with which the person to be appointed will be concerned. Similarly (c) if so, the main features thereof? Selection Committee for the post of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Reader/Lectuier shall consist of not less MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING than two such persons. The provision for (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) to (c). Yes. the number of experts on the Selection Shri Venkataraman has supplied informa- Committee, being flexible, the University tion about a teachnique for low cost con- has the authority to invite more than the struction which mainly consists of pre- minimum number specified m the statute. gunited cement wall and slab panels fixed in pre-cast concrete posts and beams. In* formation received on such low cost con- Payment of Arrear of Over-time Allowance struction techniques is examined in to Staff of AH-Day Milk Stalls of D. M.S. detail by the National buildings Organisa- tion with reference to important criteria 7717. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will like oost, durability and other performance the Minister of AGRICULTURE be qualities and then disseminated by pleased to state : National Buildings Organisation to the various constructions, agencies so that if (a) whether Government propose to pay the technique meets their requirements and the arrears of over-time allowance to suits their conditions,, they could adopt stair of All-Day Milk Stalls of the Delhi the teohnique in their works. Milk Scheme for the period prior to the 11th April, 1972, when the working hours of the Stalls were trom 9.30 a. m. to Banaras Hindu University Selection 6 p. m. ; and C ommlttee for Teachers (b) if not, the reasons therefor ? 7716. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will • the Minister of EDUCATION AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state; MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE 101 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 102

(PROF. SHER SINGH): (&) and (b). The eligible persons squatting on public land matter is under consideration of Govern* other than that under tbe control of the ment. Land and Development Office are being prepared by the Delhi Development Authority. Rehabilitation of Displaced Persons under Gadgil Assurances *w tf 7718. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO: 7719. tf fw t tf*tf: f*rr w p w SHRI K. MALL ANN A : tf* fatf *ftf srwj* tf Will the Minister of WORKS AND ^ rr ^ fa ; HOUSING be pleased to slate : (* ) w ?5T ?nrtf flprnff t f (a) whether assurance given by late Shrt Gadgil regaiding rehabilitation of fa tf sr*V qrr^r ft displaced persons in Delhi have since been fully implemented by Goveinment; (^r) w htsw % frto 5 * * * *r fw rofar t; (b) if not, the number of persons who are still eligible to be rehabilitated under this Assurance; and (tt) *rfs ft, tf ?rvtf wwf «pt snrm 1969 Sr w r (c) whether any steps have been taken by Government to rehabilitate them imme- t f t f t f t f t f?r diately and if not, tbe reasons therefor and xts-r-i «r fa?r% t f tf t f w fT *wr the time by which they will be rehabilita- tf* ted ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE («T) V* W f 3f STSTT % WT MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- t f § ? ING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : (a) No, Sir. t f r v f a r t fawtarc t o w w

(a) 12 persons squatting on land under TTiflr *rtf ( tf • t f * t f » watf «n- the control of the Land and Development w nr) : (*u) t f *?ff i Office have been found eligible to receive benefits under the Gadgil Assurance. The (sr) t f * (*r). *ftf«r

i t iffft tfhrftrat irnft iffc (5)TTWft% «T5?>? falT *m % 3t*rfr 11 "tfrc&r git i^ fiifa m f fa % wtai Mtwfrafonff q f irftrar«rrofV*r <§pft” g ro fl i f iiTTOf *tft «rt* fT * f t t im m*

faiif tfisif w t *ftifi arm foff fkV S ir^T f T f % % fcfa , fFff^TT t f if f t Srsr i t srTcft | » w w ift^ irrfarcrsrTs % % ^ t i ?r*T5?r *r»9r fnrf?R ft«r *1% ( i nf«rf rfrif f t qf fm (*; lAiftr irh to w m m \ wfa- f w r f t tfirtfar f* fciT n r | tfk | f f it foem rct srfW M t f t stt%, *r furoret iiTTOt ni% vftx N * ?r*n «rT»t, fT^rf^: «w q f t r s i Art tmr&r % uTrot lift < r 5rnft arr ^ %t, ft ff irk f t garr * if a l arf % i f i f r 3 Tt% ^fsrft^rer f t f a i&zx-xm *m x *r %x % 11 10 iierf fT it if $ ^rr fif% 115ft srWfaii *n?Tff ^ §t 1 3*% f?r f m ^ ^??ti *ft ^wwr f r f u r t o t | fro% *nrta $tft iftifait % l i f t *r srgw irtu fiftsrf «ft Ti^it wtwr fixtwft iT fW ifa $TO SflTl cT«TT 3*j 5TT% % flfJ TOf ^ fTl fT^ f, ^Ift t o * f T?t 11 *n>^ ufaTrfotf % <3fT*t % fm f ft gtor err m r 11 ?rwn§: ^^sti f*Nrfrif ft # ^ t t if i f e f t 3rr T ft 1 1 (3) Trwff ft ««rrf it if | fa % ire%-«rflr i|t fairest cm pf % (7) s tu f’m f^ «ft^s?rnrrftit ftraif *fffalTl f t N t § ISTFt % % fippf f t srf?rriftRi f t? i ir% q ^ tfe - fsnt jfsre nfwrftif % fifs *r*Tf Shprt f t ^ t w t irft^ s w v $ I ftwr «rr Tfr | m fa f iif n r rtx f i^ t % crft% irfaf % ?rrif a ^ t f f 1 (4) aw fifr tofti iitis fsRTsnjj w5ft iiiTOt % faes wRtiti ^ ^rt * 1 3 1 f t I f tft WTO* f t ^T T wifT fair «rr Tfr 1 1 fa*wt % %i\x f i f>rt ^rr wm arwr t fa to fm % f t f *p$x-xr&t ( 8) %?#ir «fti«r *rrif fii^jjr flftf fT*ff* TfT I, W I SifaRI ^firsi % awiiTi if Mwfl TR*ff f t f ^ 5WT TTWT jftRT

(9) tester jrwfr 3K * qfflT If tfftff* |f, ?T> f^ r *?* fa : f f R , sTTf, ’jsrr 7?% «rrf?r v t (t ) w r %?#ta *t;fa ^ t it ^ q-fTr^rcTTT r f e if far^T *g& jTfwpff % ?n%5r«T sr srTft «F>f sr>fa?q- f t* t t , faf«T?r faqrr srr ?r^Tr «ft3r?TT ^fir $«nr % ^ s r t Sr to *ft t; ?ft? ^raJTTT TTvST fa?TJrt % «F?fJT?f ? r^ f? »sriff ct t f v t fiT5T* srrtft ?rmr=r & gritf («i) zrf? tf, ?fr ^ 7-^grr w r ^T%* I I; *ftr * m fao fa?*) : (*) * (*r). fw Ftijff % ^5^(T qr^i% flfafaq* Wfl jbft ^ff*; fa?3 srfT fast v?i- »??r* ^ fa* wt« 1 107 Written Answers MAY 2?, 1972 Written Answers 108

*Nrr fa*rm % v r q nur fa ir| $z f *r sfo*wr ^ %, ^rfwfcr * f a w f w % anr *t arr TO ft|fv | f a *ro , *Fiqfr, iw w tf er«n Tar? Tv# *rs** % ft srftr*- v n v f t %% % *mT5ft «re *Ker fT*r sta r fsr^tfer m m STVTT % «**far?T WTfPft % , f?fa ^ r - % ht«t farerT-fwr f w srw ^rff?r i fwi^Rt, fPr vg tft ??r *rm% v? faw *w fax* v^r«rT5r wwiwt ^ ^f*r s o ttr * ^ f t sriift *rrfi$, 3

sft?: ■O'njT % M f t «riPrvf ?t h % v *rr ^*iW an»Tr % 5rT^«rT5ft v t srr?) ?:*rr ?rT^fg *r jjf? ^ > r r ffirr ^ h t *tt fa 3TI^, 3THf^ % sns-rfo* ftrrai % g*V *W «|T ^1 BTTsft i 2 . m sfirfa, «ft farsr rn> % wqJTT »if Ti«?ta|r?r * t >, t STpfft JTllccT ^T ^rsTft^W vpr% ^ fcsta m tiwt z v w f t f ^ 2r hi c?> sifatfv si «rr^r cpn f?r«pnft s r t srrcr *ri wAi ^r^fr si^«f fa*r m H i ijftr srrft v i t i srvre tfNftfro m *r%- •«frT3T % y r f r r f t % fsr^^ *t w wm v t ?^«pr^ fa*rr »rqT f a srif^ faw 3t fa«rr 3. qr#|T5T tiQ*rrd %?fr ^nrrart sfT^rr i % P m 9 «rr*r t u t % *mr% H, tffarc fwr «ft fa f a s arfiRT ^ r w lw u r & 109 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 110

t o afar, w tions and alterations are not considered sympathetically; % qftrFwr^ w 2 frzn &FZT

(b) if

THE MINISTTER OF EDUCATION, «Tft5Tr f?R 5FP % V 5TT if SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE fareftorr qftaT w t w m # ^ T f (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) to (c). ?«rf*T?f mx f s s r t ; A complaint that the Head of the Depatt- ment of Humanities and Social Sciences has claimed T. A. from two sources for ( ¥ ) w r 27 1 9 7 2 ^ the same journey has been receivtd The ,n'teTT*ft «P> STTWI $>TT «JT; Institute is investigating the matter.

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fSTWT, IR IV ?WT WFffa 7723.

( * ) I t I (^) imer % 1970 *r fos-fas *m % fsmftr stunr % (*r) m<*> ura;> f a q 3f|[T5r fa * ; ^ s h j t r , 1972 it fasnfaiff % ^?5iT5r ^ «ft

(*r) vr % mvfor ^Tsfr * 51^ ?«Tfn?T SPY 3|T(t ’, «? wrncf vftx fa«rfa r*r*TT ? f^rw 't ^ t t ?rftfer ?f

L I—3083/72] 7725. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state: w m 3 «Khnr m fa m 5RT?n (a) whether Dr. Promode Das Gupta, D. Sc. of Lucknow has done a successful 7724. «rt * 31 ftavferfj 51m : research work on application for Urea Plasma for effective family planning and *ut form lift w n* v w n j Urea Plasma has experimentally proved to ^ rrr ^ f«P : be effective for family planning; 113 WrHttn Answers JYAISTHA 8. WMiSAKA) Written Answers 114

(b) if *o, whether Government ere going traction firms are amassing enormous to make use of this discovery and propose profit by exploiting the workers ? to extend research facilities to him for further research work in this line and for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE utilisation of Urea Plasma for other MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS* medicinal proposes and the steps taken by 1NG (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) No, the Government in this regard; and Sir.

(c) whether any steps have been taken (b) It is not possible to say how far the by the Government to appreciate the private contractors are amassing huge discovery of Dr. P. Das Gupta and encou- profits. However, as a safeguard against rage his initiative in research work ? exploitation of labourers engaged by contractors on Government works, the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE C.P.W.D. have appointed Labour MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Officers to ensure payment of fair wages to PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTO- the labourers. PADHYAYA) : (a) The Contraceptive (Centsquare) which contains Urea as the Survey of Ground Water Resources effective ingredient has been developed in the in Tripura Central Drug Research Institute, Lucknow, Where Dr. P. Das Gupta is working as a 7727. SHRI DASARATHA DEB; Scientist. Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (b)The clinical trials on Centsquare have been completed by the Central Drug (a) whether any survey was made to Research Institute and the Institute is find out ground water resources in submitting its report to the Drugs Control* Tripura; and ler (India) for clearance. (b) if so, the findings of the survey (c) The Institute receives encourage* thereof ? ment and financial support from the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Government. Besides, awards for meri* MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE tonous research are made to individuals (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) on the recommendation of the Indian Yes, Sir. Council of Medical Research, New Delhi. (b) The Geological Survey of India carried out systematic hydrogeological Corporation for bringing Construction investigations in an area of 2,500 sq. kms. Firms under Government Control in the Sadar and Dharamnagar sub-divi- sions. Average water level is 5 to 7 metres 7726. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the below ground level. The granular zones Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be occur at varying depths below 100 metres pleased to sta te : and the discharge varies from 45,000 to (a) whether there is any proposal 68,000 litres per hour at a drawdown of before Government to bring all contracting 6 metres. construction firms under direct Govern* ment control through the setting up of a The Central Ground .Water Board Corporation or a Board; and started groundwater exploration in Tripura during 1971. One borehole at Nawapara (b) whether Government are aware of was drilled down to a depth of 2S2 metres. the (bet that the Private Contracting Cons* The individual zones were tested for 115 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 118 # chemical quality which showed high iron (a) whether many Consumers Cooperative content. While the wo(k was in progress, Stores recently complained of the receipt of the drilling rig had t& be diverted for fake watches from the National Cooperative taking up construction of wells on an Consumers* Federation Limited, emergency basis for Bangla Desh refugees in Tripura itself Three tubewells were (b) whether these watches were constructed with a discharge ranging from lifted by the Bombay Branch of the 11,000 to 18tQOO gallons per hour The Federation from the local customs office, C G W B will continue its operations after scrutiny and inspect ion and if so, the total nmuber of watches which were during 1972-73 also found fake and their book value, and Neglect of Social Welfare Project (c) the amount of the loss suffered by States by the Federation through sale of the 7728 SHRI RANABAHADUR rejected watches at discount and whether SINGH Will the Minister of LDUCA an enquiry has been held to fix TION AND SOCIAL WELhARE be responsibility for this loss and fraud and pleased to state if so, the outcome thereof ?

(a) whether due to big increase m THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE non-PIan expenditure the Planning MINISTRY Ol AGRICUITURE (SHRI Commission in its first two years of JAGANNATH P\HADIA) (a) Yes, the Fouith Five Year Plan have found Sir Complaints were leceived from out the neglect of social welfare projects some consumer cooperatives m this regard by States , and in 1970 tind 1971 Some of the watches, lifted between Dttember, i960 and (b) if so, the measures taken by Govern- February 1970 were lound to contain ment in this regard ? machinery winch, though imported, was ot a brand different from that indicated THE DLPUTY MINISTER IN THE on the watch cases, and ol inferior MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND quality SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMASWAMY) (a) and (b) No. (b) The witches were lifted by the Sir Bombay Brinch of the Federation from the local customs office, after checking Ih e Planning Commission has nofc up that they were in working order taken into consideration the non Plan expenditure while assessing the progress The total number of watches, of which of social welfare schemes in the State the machinery inside was different from Sector of the Plan, although they have the brand name on the watch cases, was noted the slowness in the progress of 286, and their book value was Rs expenditure on social welfare 26 500/—

(c) On the sale of 106 such watches, Loss to National Cooperative Con- the Federation incurred a loss of Rs. sumers Federation Ltd , Bombay 1912, winch was allowed as extra rebate due to Fake Watches to the purchasing institutions The remaining 180 watches have been with- 7729 SHRI PRAVINSINH held from sale, and the question of SOLANKI Will the Minister of AGRI- returning them to customs has been CULTURE be pleased to state • taken up with the authorities concerned. 117 # Written Answers JYAISTHA I, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 118

Confiscated goods have to be lifted by u r o f ta m v ftm r trw tftawfar the Federation from customs, without f t m m r pick and choose, except those which arc damaged and, therefore, unsaleable. In the circumstances, the question of fixing 773 1. frn r 9TTO : responsibility for the loss does not arise. w r $qr Arrangements have since been made by f t : the Federation to get the machinery of the watches checked up by the mechanics in (m ) w r «rr«r fa*r*r % doubtful cases. *r qu mwfcr f t w J ; w h Transport Difficulties for Salt Move- ment in Calcutta Port (<*) s f e ft, eft m i % x m ^xw.rxt % ^ 7730. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND fw-fw wi*fr vr fan | v\x TRANSPORT be pleused to statu: z x a sfor h h k 8 f*r ffwrwr k ar«f?rr q^r stt^ct §*tt | ? (a) whether despatches of salt from the West Coast Ports to Calcutta have been thrown out of gear because of increasing f f a *T*T^q if («ft transport difficulties; wtymifjp fir^) : (m) *ft ft i

(b) if so, the nature oftranspoit (sr) x i z w t * % $n>nr fsrarr difficulties; and % ^xs%x, imwt vftx m iiOTtyc (c) tbe steps taken to tackle them ? faJ* jwww wft ft THE MINISTER OF PARLIA- ft i f w f«r*ra f?r»T»T ^ MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING feqrr f t sfr *Tfm«5 % far^nf Jr AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHA- ^TTfacT pRT 3TT | I ffolT<[nr DUR) : (a) and (b). Despatches of salt from the West Coast Ports to Calcutta « tr si^st *pV wiw(xi igm* have witnessed some strain because of the *tt f t *rf ^?r% w f t ?r

( * ) v n J* representations to the effect that the Lambadi (Sxigali) community of the ^re sfor sfonqr fam^T Telangana area of Andhra Pradesh may be fatf* w tt * t t o «t t $t $; included in the list of Scheduled Tribes * fa have been received. (b) The reaction of the Government (s) ufa $r, at wwl % will be indicated when the Bill for the 5fT«r v n | qh vrnrn wr revision of the lists of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes is introduced < f t ? afresh.

f a q f a w h WWW «?*TO* if TTWT («ft «nf® %o g«Tm) : (*) Supply of Drinking Water to Morwa «frt (sr). TT*^IT THPVrfV OT *pt market of N.C.D C. Colliery fiwnr tfarcr fore ?t«tt 7734. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH: ■Fnrff^STcT %

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE iTtr vet *p r i« j r if t f a w n MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND *rqr § w m * 5fcR m «nff SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY): (a) No, Sir. However, ftSHRPTT 121 Written Answers JYAISTHA $. 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

in m r s«rr w ft education. The technical education pro- jects which are being supported by Rouble- firtr srtfotr? % vrftoncf % Credit a re : ^Tfsq; iftT (a) establishment of centres for advan- (a) *jft $f} m *wf«r if wr ced studies and research in Aeronautics, Metallurgy. Geophysics and Electronics & w s w **mrr »nrr | ? Automation and

m m n r aw -inft («ft «m«fT«r (b) development of special technician courses, in cooperation with industry, in : («p ) rift ( s ) Rfifr?r *r*V Metallurgy, Heavy Engineering, Electrical % 24 TOST, 1972 vtqfW T aJTT^TT Machiuc Building, Oil and Gas Industry, *fa fanrR-nt^ if to s * if Mechanical Mechnical Machine Building and Radio Electionics & Power. The «rmT sgrta foirr «rr fr Rouble-Credit is being utilised for import- s ? | a*ri3r * g f o «r*ff *> % ing specialised soiemilu. equipment, train- *rg?R faSw swr?r ^ *nf$SI< and for iivt obtaining the services of Sovici specialists. srtfafrt % *rfa*ntf % fafT These projects will help in training JTT^rr *T%rr | jt T^T7 * fctfT if specialist personnel for teaching, research w'\f fa$r«r £cnt ?t^> F w £, and industrial production woik. ^'f¥ spftsr srrw^fasrrfe’Tt *t | | i awr *ntrr fersm

7 7 j 7. fira : WT Soviet Aid for Expansion of Technical Education fswT « fk {ptt 3t ^ =Ffr fqT to : 7736. SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND ( ^ ) w r 3m?r *nur- SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to Mate : *154 (sfio s'lo s t k o ) *Fr finrre (a) whether the Soviet Government *t (Tip %8TT H?«TT!T «Pr has recently given aid for expanding Technical education; faffir sjifr *rTtTT faerT ?ff ^rrq^fV;

(b) if so, the nature of technical aid; jv&r (c) the sphere of its utilisation; and (*r) *rfc $t, m «rcr si^Tjp ir

(d) tbe extent of benefit to be derived T ST^f* g ip W iy fo 3R5f THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, *rr

% *nr*-fanrm THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND w i w *fx$ % sr*crr* «rc fanrrr * r SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE r t $ i m fiwrn *ft sryr vnf anr*r DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI *rr«rr % v n t f m *r«rrqtf «Ft srfawjr D. P YADAV) (a) No. Sir. srcw rvrr i (b) and (c) Does not arise

(*r) ifcrr * \ i sfcTTor $ i (d) and (e) Under the scheme for ?r*rrfa, snift *ih fa&r Building grants to Voluntary Cultural Organisations applications for financial a w * % srwrfw?T w r fiw m $ % tm assistance have been invited from the % aft 3TT?ft fa fafa** qwrrort cultural fields of dance, drama, music, fine % jffsrenyr % srftq srnnNcr Ttnr srta; arts, indology, literature, othrr than religious institutions public libraries, w s r n r i s *?rer % fa q museums, municipalities, schools, univer- f«iwTf«rjfr t i gwm $faeriq sw* sities during the current year The last date for receipt of such applicatins duly V^TT I recommended by the Male Governments concerned i* 10th June 1972

institutions receiving Building Grants from Ministry of Education

7HK SHRI BISHWANARAYAN 8HASJR1 ill the Minister of I DU CATION AM ) SOCIAL WfcLFART be 7 7 ^ 9 . «ft ftfW WT pleased to state fawn « rh m m t o **0 *err%

( v whethei only thost voluntary cul •ft f'TT *R»t fa tun! uistitutK us which have branches ull over India have received grants from his ( * ) *TlR tTTf^r«PT % Ministry srwf*nr % 300 srftr *t pt % (b) it so the name oi such institutions, sf 'T iftm which received building gtants during the «rlT arreft last three years, year wise,

(«t ) ffT, *RT¥ (C) the location of Headquarters of the Institutions, number of branches and WT*n*ft faffT fW ( ^ i f 1972) & name of the State where such branches $re ifcfV iW V fa lout i eu, ^ fro n ? xftr fa*r td) whether applications have been ejnrt m m *pt %?nr invited from such institutions this vear ^00 nf?r i\m % « f a r | t for consideration, and WIT 300 ^ % **T %5T9T WT% (e) if so, the number of application* frosrvt % v t w nr Tftwfnr s r o received and considered and the amount of grant given ? ywr fiwr arrsr |, sf* a

ftranr ita *wrm iw w j trarcw (ii)Cash grant for Cal- a*r fiwn S *rr-*nft («ft • cutta Bustee Improve- ment Scheme outside «fto m vw ) : (**) afv, 3T I State Plan J 50

(w ) a t, «!$ i w«nrf«T ?rf 4.37 w x . «rrfowr $ vr% 1971-72 % ?nft gnrt & 6 *r?ft % i f *t

^ «mT% % fr^Tta

gerTT Fi'ft $ i (n)Cash grant for Cal- cutta Bustee Improve- ment I'rogminnie Financial Assistance for Calcutta Metropo- outMde the Plan 3 00 litan Development Agency 7.00 7740. DR. RANEN SEN Will tbe Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state In addition to the above direct Central assistance given by the Government of (a) the total financial assistance given India, further sum ot Rs 7.96 crores and by the Central Government sc far to the Rs. 9 54 crore were given to the Calcutta Calcutta Metropolitan Development Metropolitan Development Authority Agency, and from the State Plan outlay during 1970 71 and 197] 72 rtsp tu m ly There it an b) the progress made in implementing element of Central assistance in these the various development programmes allocations out of the State Pian. undertaken by the Agency ? (b) A siatemedt laid on the Table or THE MINISTER OF Si AIE IN THh the House. [Placed tn Library. See No MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMI- LT—3084/72] LY PLANNING (PROF. D P CHAT- TOPADHYAYA)! (a) The total financial assistance given by the Central Govern- Legislation for Protection of Wild Life ment so far to tbe Calcutta Metropolitan Development Authority is as follows *— 7741. SHRI M. M. JOSBPH : Will tbe Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 1970 71 (Rs. in to state : crores)

(t) Cash loan towards ex- (a) whether Government have constde* penditure on Calcutta red enacting a legislation for the protec- Metropolitan Deve- tion of wild life in the country; and 12? Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Antwers 128

(b) if so, the main features thereof and w w n w i wtw wTtravnu the steps taken by Government in ibis regard 7

TIIE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 7743. *t *tt : *rr MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE WRSfal •fft f trr (PROF SHER SINGH) (a) Yes, Sir. VTJt % :

(b) The Draft Bill is being prepared by (*>) «wrr firfa fir«rnr ^ the Law Department in ihe Union Government. Since the Draft has not under the Constitution, the States have w r tffafa % awpff % «rr fc; been requested to adopt a resolution under Article 252(1) t>f the Constitution to enable Parliament to consider the Bill (*i) w r w ^rfarfcr 3 1 ^ t | , 197! tfJTTCT 5T *WT «TT «frr ?rfgr fit, m wfirfcT % vrafcpr Proposal for a separate road to forTfft smftftrer ?r«rr Seaside resort of Chandipore, 5RT f o r ?r?r «rnrf fw7*$r w | ; Orissa

7742. SHRF SHYAM SUNDAR MOHAPATRA • Will the Minister of (**) ¥*» w n * n »f f*r faenft SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be TtfsfT 5ITZT ifft ’ pleaded to stare

(a) whether Government are a*arc «pui a m l i k (hut tourists ta Chandipore on Sea at («ft «r^t|T) : (*) Btilasore Onssa are having difficulties to # f t I so to sea side report because of checking by stem by Defence Depot there, and (*r) fur foranr '* f?rq (b) whether there is any proposal to have s fa fa v t ^fswir to a separate road to the aea side resort and if so, the progress made in this regard, so 1 ^ { 1 , 1972 ^ f w *I'Tf *CT i far *> *pt*t fan ro % fsn* m i %m<

THE MINISTER OF PAR.L1AMBN* T ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and (b). No complaint in this regard (*r) xft* (w). m % *rm («) has so far been received by the Govern* * g* snw f t ment of India or have they any proposal to construct a separate road. i 129 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Wrkten Answers 130

( * ) w m fiwarfw rn tr t o f t *ttwt rfaaft irtwfVT % *mr w | grog'w jfervt jrer fam sri irft finwrt 1. «ft <£Te tfto 3H& qft * r w fasnft 2. «ft t o ^m rsfar

3. «ft ffc$ TTfe*TT (*r) «r*rr s* jfewt v* ?nft fcreiT *r w rt am fcfon* ** ft **ftarc 4. «ft 55rmw fo*TT 3TT T^T I; rftT 5. *ft w fa*r 6. «fr 3Rf^T«r f*r«r («r) fsrcrr *re*rntff «r« er* 7. «ft %o TT*TTO *rr® m w ) : (*) («r). ij o t ^ srr | cr^r ronrrsr fnrrresr TTW t st arnpft i * J 2 . «ft srft*T 13. «ft wto q>« f%8 f ^ m «r TTyryt % 14. fo g*ft?rr iPTgwrer fcrrf 7745. aft SWT«T : w 1 5. «ft Tarsf ?rcsr &r ftrwr vftT H«n^ *5*r*sr *nft arcrr^ «fto tjaFTIW , ^STT # sr

«rarf*Tt % smrft «r^r ?w p t («p) wr stttt nftfar f^t ZW TTfEtJ %

*rf w«fwwt arm*

(*r) w * * z m % w ta r- star if gfopft d ft wifw iftwlf far «rf?r *r zn & fain *r ^?tt $ tfvfir atar w \ fwwrrsr $t, ?rt ***** $ vrr *nhrc£ ^ 3TT 7747. m q m - w r tfrr% m fa ; I?

(v) 3?qrrc?r if *t w j h S % wt iftr a m * wfwmjr «?*wwr J

Vftf «f TTvRT Wft («ft (n) 2T?q nfa ^rfer: qv F i W i f ^

3TPT 3fT T$V ^ I mftwmi 3 vftr ^f*r vr $fr«R f wh: if feRTW

Welfare of noo-Student Youth 7748, «ft JVT VBjarm : «r t vftr Tr^fV s a r t «pt p r r «p t ^ f a : 7746. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SINHa : Will the Minister of EDUCA- TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be (v ) s w r r v m ir pleased to state the amount allotted and T W HTVR fTTT ®FTT% ^ WWJT % spent during the Fourth Plan on the welfare of the non-student Youth i «T5?TR m f a w i f if fa?r?ft # T *I>«r ^f*r | fa?r 'n : iffir sifV ^rr w

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE % «tt?5 s w *Tft ftwr MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND *w t I ; SOCIAL WELFARB (SHRI K.S. RAMA* SWAM Y>: The total outlay envisaged in the Fourth Plan for national programtn e (m) w*nr yfa *^»*r ^fir-sWf iftt of non-students Youth is Rs, 5 crores. if faerft?r ^ v t f

(«t ) f t , ?rt grwr urtrr w rt («f>) %?fflr*r W im ti w a rr t?vwt t i r t a t t r t W t*R SRT •BTT^’ irftfWJ % WfETR

v n $ ? ra ?nw ^ft?n if ftwft ^P t *far ^ ^ $ forcr

v f r w m r Jf ^ r w uraft («r> (*) s*r fw«r fcs w v m *tt t r * fronm iffw it* :’ ( « )

qftvr «nm n vfir oNr v f a m ( « ) VTT ^f*T ifhc *faffcTf ^ farer^ *rh irfTaRt * fw fT c i tit t i t i

tftzRT wxmx *? f W R r e f r | farctfr 7 75). «ft {f«iT w W Bpmr: **rr snr if ijfe 3rr q%; «rfr v ftr *r«ft *TF srtt^ r^t w n ^ ft? :

(*T; *rfsr f r , i ? r ^ g s ? arrar w r (*p ) %?yt«r ffW T w r Tr»qr £ rr«rr a * * ? * 2r %?? * t ^ r tf? u

7 7 5 0 . Mbps**** wq*m: w r (»r) arf^r f t, ?r> ztrtit % &r*Tffm v f * v?rr% «p i t f t ? : I «rk w v w ^ %**tor w tt 135 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Writftn Answers 136 x m s n m f wfwfcr^ («) m fcr % fiR > fw m rr V t

Housing Facility la Rural and Urban WfOTRR f**TT %, Areas of Tripura (*r) WT ^T*PTT Sift Tnwrf % *ET 7752. SHRI DASARATHA DEB. s ppt t vTfiMt % farafajr ^ Will tho Minister of EDUCATION AND SOC1AL WELFARE be pleased to state v m s S t t ,

(a) whether Government have provided (* ) rrfbf gT, ?ft «FT any lacility to the tribais ot Tripura lor w m it wt spmrft *rr fiwnc construction of houses bath in the rural and uiban areas,

(b) if so, the amount allocated for that fa fts tfh HWm S'SfTHS * TW purpose during the last three yjir> arU * lft («ft m%o %o iptm) (*) the amouut actually utilised so lar, and ^raim*r % i wres gqvritr 11 (c) the maximum and the luiuunum amount given to each tarnily both in the (*st) w t o s p t % qi*r w?r fitm «rr form of grants and loans ? «nsV 11 THJb DEPUTY MINISTER IN IHL MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND (*r) iftr («r) *mnarr xns* r a n f t SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA- ft £ I SWAMY) (&) Yei», Sir

(b) Rs 0 30 Jakhs was provided and actually utilised during each of the last ffm faaft ifftsir *FT% three years qr stfara (e) Grant at the rate ot Rs 300 per family was given, No amount was given 7754. «ft TWWerre 5TT**t . WT as loan trfrwTT ftritvrc arwr% frqr ^ fa :

W P W II % ftdfr TTWt ^ ( v ) f?n % ftrPfFT s n f t & fw N t •ft w iw ¥t<*sT> sttt qx srfiwr^ ?t»n% nfir « 8 ^ 7753. TTUWmr KTUFsft : Wl fcrofoj ifrc «miw v* wm* ( w ^ t o t t ftn v ft fa j w t vM m m t ; iftr 137 Written Answers JYAISTHA, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 138

(it) firr *3% fa* *lftf 3t?ff?w W€«rrsff v> factor 3$ra*T ^T^*r 3RT% *PT fq*HT % ? 7755. «ft TWWmT I WT *qr*«T sft* qfT3TT f33fol3 33W 3 fiw r iftt 33m fa?**? 3*3* 3§ J f w n 3 3 ft (sfto ifotffc * g > n w rw ): icrrq vV ^qr *Tq fa :

(*p) tf t,3 ^ , (*) 3r*|rfb* 3?amf sift w r % fa ) 3f 3*3 35?TT I 33^ ST3R % fa* 35R3T ^ *FT 3Tq?^ qqr fr. (q) sft 3gV i gr^T «rr- w *rq[ 3r fqg^cr sqfqcrq> *n 3*3*3 | (^r) 33 1971-72 % q\TT3 faq fatfswrc fq^ft sfre3 *r>x% faq Hf?trp=T=¥T 3*quft 3T^TT ^ ?r jt, q$?r & «pt facT-fl 3^rqcIT fq^fr ? Tfa CT*TT T # I I * Sffa?3 3 & fSTSTT ?I>T 3 3 W V5tm»r 3^WT3 qqsr it fqsqfafagr 'TT 3trr qT% 3 ^t 3tffrfcr fq^iq (*ft % 5*qrc | :— q*to qiqq) : ($) 3^ffr fqqrq «f ^ % wfefJpTO * fqrftq 3?Tq3T « f^ JI % *rfa^rft : 3crq q^iq % fatr irqqr* 5tt% qi% 33> qfamq qrqq^f w\ q ^ q-^ q* fqq^»T 3 qsra 150 f ^ 3 3 t q s3 qfa 53 ^ *pr fas'* *q *r 3 ^ 3 3 q^ qir fqq^qj * ^ qqt fa 3 3 itm qrqr qqr, €\ s w r # fcrr wrqrc: 197 1-72 % ^hrq STc*^ qqT3 ^ fqqqrqsft % *rftq 33 qtqt eqfar % q | fq^fVq 35TqcTr 3?%^r $ I fas; *TqqT$V tfV w 11 m i [q?«n?rq ^ tw t nqr1 * fa * 3?qr ^3 srrt $ wtf fcsfta *r^q qqrq m LT—3085 /72], fa^nc «r^V | fsRmT 3* fa ^ q tq fav 33 f*rc>WS t^qfq ’?3TS*q’ *T3q «FT fqqq I I q*T; TR3 3T«PR*t % ffqq irfoFTfofi % 3T^ a 7756. 33? : qqr ?3 srfoarc *pt qreq *pt# % faq ?arr?«3 wVt qfanrc fqqt«R 3«ft qf fa«TT 33T I I 33T% fa ftq? ^T3 fa .* 139 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 140

(*) «wt *itaT5r % q$ LY PLANNING (PROP. D. P. CHAT- TOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c) The informa- t o s t ^ g t a t f fa ? qjrgf Sr % wrnr* tion is being collected from the State

( ^ ) $ t , ?ft * w « r ^ Damage of Crop in Balasore, Orissa srw *r t | ? 7758. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER w w tftr qftwre fartarc totsw MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : 3 T?wr *Nit (»>o *to

Family Planning Work in Orissa 7759. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of 7757. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be (a) the acreage of land under lift irrt pleased to state : gation in the District of Balasore, Orissa, helping the usricultuial output; and (a) whether aged men of 60 years and above have been brought to family plan* (b) the Central aid provided therefor ? ning centre in Orissa for purposes of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Vasectomy; MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (b) whether minor boys in rural areas (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b) have also been subjected to such operation; Information is being collected aod will be and laid on the table of the House as and when received. (c) whether any agency other than Government is doing family planning work in Orissa ? Smoking Habits among Young Generation

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 7760. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMI- Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 141 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1994(SAKA) Written Answers 142

FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to institutional framework favourable for state: agricultural development, proposals for land reforms have been given a special (a) whether smoking habits are devel- place in the successive Five Year Plans oping rapidly in the country, particularly and the basic approach was set out as a in the young generation and college youth; part of national plan leaving some flexi* billty to suit local conditions and in res- fb) if so, whether Central Government ponse to local needs. have conducted any survey in this regard; and Considerable progress has been made in the implementation of land reform (c) if so, the names of the States where programme: it is increasing day by day and the steps Government have taken to guide them Abolition o f Intermediary Tenures — through literature regarding the conre- Intermediary tenures such as Zamindari, quences of this bad habit ? Jagirdari and Inams which prevailed in about 40 per ccnt of the area, have been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE almost completely abolished. Only a few MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMI* minor mtei mediary tenures still remain LY PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHAT- and efforts are afoot to abolish them also. TOPADHYAYA): (a) to(c). No survey in As a result of abolition of intermediary this regard has been conducted by the tenures about 20 million tenants have Government of India. The State Govern- been brought in direct contact with the ments have, however, been addressed and State. necessary information will be laid on Table of the Sabha on receipt. Security of tenure — Provisions have been made in a number of States confer- ring substantia] rights on tenants and Effect oo delay in Land Reform on enabling them to come in direct, contact Agricultural Growth with the State and acquire ownership. As a result some 3 million tenants and 7761. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS share croppers have acquired ownership in M UNSI: Will the Minister of AGRICUL- respect of about 3 million hectares. TURE be pleased to state : Regulation of Rent — Provisions for (a) whether the delay in Land Reform regulation o t rent have been adopted in policy would effect the agricultural growth; most of the States. However, the statutory and rents payable to the landlord is still on the high side in the Andhra area of Andhra (b) if so, the remedy sought for the Pradesh, Haryana, Punjab and Jammu same ? & Kashmir (in respect of tenants of small- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE holders) and Tamil Nadu. State Govern- MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE ments have been requested to bring them (SHRI AN NAS AHEB P. SHINDE): (a) to the level recommended in the Plan. and (b). Land reform is a state subject under the Constitution and the responsi- Ceiling on land-holdings ~ Law im- bility both for tbe enactment of legislation posing ceiling on agricultural holdings and its implementation rests with the have also been enacted in almost all the State Governments. However, in view of States. According to available reports, the importance of land reform in paving about one million hectares have been the way for a social, economic and declared surplus and about half of this 149 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 144

area has been distributed among landless noticed that there were large variations agriculturists and small holders between different States, with regard to the level of ceiling for different classes of Distribution o f culturable w aste lands — land, unit for application, exemptions etc Besides the distribution of surplus land The Conference decided to refer to the which becomes available on imposition Central Land Reforms Committee the of ceiling, the State Governments have whole range of problems connected with been distributing culturable waste land ceiling on land holdings in the normal course through their Revenue Departments or Gaon Sabhas In pursuance to the decision of the So far 5 7 million hectares of waste land Chief Ministers* conference in August, 1971 have been distributed by various States. the Central Land Reforms Committee State Governments have been requested made certain recommendations with a to expedite distribution of all available view to bringing a broad measure of lands uniformity in the ceiling laws of the different States. Consolidation of holdings — Provision has been made for consolidation of The recommendations of the Central holdings in a large number of States By Lind Reforms Committee were accepted 1969 about 34 million hectares of land had by the Government of India and on been consolidated The work has been September 18, 1971 Minister of Agriculture completed in Punjab and Haryana Uttar wrote to all the Chief Ministers requesting Pradesh and Maharashtra have made good that necessasy action may be initiated to progress However, necessary legislation bring the State ceiling laws in line with has yet to be enacted m the Andhra area the recommendations of the Central Land ot Andhra Pradesh, Kerala Orissa and Reforms Committee The Minister of Tamil Nadu Agriculture agam addressed a letter to all the Chief Ministers on April 7, 1972 Restrictions on alienation o f lands held suggesting that every effort should be made by Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Iribei — to introduce during the present session of the Provisions have also been made lor legislatuie itself necessary draft bills amen- preventing alienatious oi land from mem- ding the ceilmglaws on the lines indicated bers ol Scheduled Castes and Scheduled by the Central Land Reforms Committee Tribes m a number of Mates. Every effort is being made to implement the entire programme of land reform as Steps taken to expedite the land reformi— expeditiously as possible. The problem and progress ol land reforms were discussed at length at the Chiet Ministers* Conference held in November, 1969 and Scptemper, 1970 In 1969 confe- Seeds Supplied to Bihar during lence, the emphasis was on the need for 1>7Q 71 and 1971 72 orientation of land policy m the context 7762 KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI • of the new strategy in agriculture. Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to State. At the Conference of Chief Ministers held in September, 1970 an attempt was (a) whether the Seeds Corporation of made to spell out the changes required India had not been supplied seeds to m the land policy especially with regard Bihar in time during 1971 72. to rationalisation and reduction in the ceiling limit and marking ceiling provisions (b; the quantum of supply of seeds more effective and purposeful It was to Bihar during the last year, and 145 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8,1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 146

(c) the quantity of seeds in tonnes Wheat—Kalyansona & Sonalika 1575 tonnes with the varieties supplid to the Govern- Maize—Gang a-S-2 422 ,, ment of Bihar ? Paddy— IR-8 and Ratna 32 „ Jute — Olitorious & Capsularis 90 „ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE Almost all the supplies were effected (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): in time. Further distribution of seeds for (a) During 1971*72, the National Seeds this year is still in progress; the year in Corporation has so for supplied following the case of the Corpoiation extends up to quantities of seeds to Bihar 31st May, 1972.

(b) During 1970-71, the following quantities and varieties of certified seeds were distri- buted by the National Seeds Corporation in Bihar States Maize — Ganga S-2 762 tonnes Paddy — IR-8 and Jaya 226 „ Wheat — Kalyansona and Sonalika 446 „ Jute — Oiltorious & Capsularies 145 „ (c) In addition to the certified seeds supplied by the National Seeds Corporation in 1971-72 as shown in part (a) above, the following quantities of seeds were supplied by other agencies to Bihar during the same year

(0 Food Corporation of India 1) Wheat 54,748 tonnes M) Barley 2 000 „ no Gram 1,600 (ii) Tarai Development Corporation i) Wheat 1,376 ., (iii) Tonnage Club i) Wheat 2,446 ., (iv) State Forms Corporation 0 Wheat 1,278 „ ii) Barley 95 „ i.i) Gram 185 „

srto rr % afcT 3 vf* «r*m* 3 x m w** qamf * w y iR fwjwTffw ft?*): («f). jfopTr % irer ?wr, srfcsr ^ qswff % 7763. »iw tffwr : WT « r h t m ft v f a *Tf 8f?Tl% ’pqr fa : 1 1 fa x , v w ST^tT apt ^ ifa-grcffa i^srfriifsnsf 1973-74 % ( * ) % sr?r a * *r«r srfo $ m z i % *pt f ^ r gsq- qsrstf % q^fT*Ff^T?r ?rw f ^ r | : ~

TOTW ^ 5 ^ *ftWKT %

(*r) *rf«r ft, sft o t t o ar?n*Fr v o t * (5?) 2*00 *nir z * fm , w r ? 5.90 srrarntS 147 Written Answers MAY 29. 1972 Written Answers 148

(rn) are 1968-69 ^ ?T*5t 1970-71 a* sffist qSH^ff VT 'rasrt % ir f*rf«r?r jpt% T§t m m f w | — | i W6H sr&r *r are 1968-69 %

(’000 iftffft £*T srarcr ^ N t SPFTT wrar 1968 69* 1969-70f 1970-7i f *PWft 230 4 285.9 304.0 fcfST 71 5 5<> 2 50.5 atflwT ?f«rr w w t 52.7 60 9 52.3 irercft 103.9 135 7 123.6 f*T g*W frT^fT 460 2 543.6 532.1 *n* 191.9 164.9 177.4 *rffft (g») 141 7 169.1 163 I Tqrra* 340.0 327. T 214.2 «t^T 19 2 30 7 26.5

* 1 8 0 fo o m*T ^3TR *TT3 t«TftW € ^T9frf«TfT J«Tf?5PT STffTT*

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«3^R imrtn am *njsr?r fan *t *t t | , BJTHWTO fa q f a w f w * * wg*ror wurtn ***** srfcr % nrrfasit * t v*pu* ( ^ ) *r*r sr^sr % s * vrfircft % *fi»r v n | far*i% w m*w % *tt^t 7764. «ft «fm *tfam : **TT «T5f finqfarofflr ir$*rsr vm ito *t w ft ftiw r f t x w a r venN ? *r*fr *?tt% *rt f ir m n f o i | ? f t ^rr «F^t f«P. finrr, fwrcr v^vngr a«n wwfir (ap) »r«r sr^^r % ^rfwsft % mft (sfto

% f ir o r f u r a n r % srf? H privileges and facilities to those parents who exceed a fixed limit of issues; STTCJ f*F*TT I 1 (b) if so, the broad feature thereof; (1) rm 'ta' M sftSr-, and \ (c) tho manner in which it is decided (2) 3r^T5T5fT?r W T* spi^T, to implement the same ? i THE MtKlSTLR OP STATE IN THE (3) *rre* ^r^rsr, i MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING (PROF. D P. (4) *T3H?ta w^rar, m*i)* i CHATIOPADHYAYA): (a) No such action is contemplated by the Govern* (5) H U f f r n v * n ftift t t Hw , ment of India. I (b) and (c) Do not arise (6 ) T R ^ ?T«r>r h f t VT%3T, v f a I Committee on Notional Centre for (7) qf fwirrsr ^T^3r, BtaRW* I Ortliopnedicall> Handicapped

fa) fwferforT «FT%3r> % s in m 7766 SHRI S. N. MISRA : Will the v n * % sn;tTr

v t ^ st , *mf*wfcfr i (b) if so, whether Government would (3) **nr ar«rr *T%?q[ vr^nr, lay a copy of the Report on the Table of the House; i

(4) nsppta «f t ^t3t , err* t (c) the cost that has been incuired on the Committee since its inception of the (5) TW^hr qrrtar, *F|?rr | time of final report; and ( 6 ) TTanfhr *Pr^3r, anrcers* i (d) the time it has taken, and the steps taken to implement the recommenda- Legislation for Fixing the IJmif of ion of the said Committee ? Issues THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 7765. SHRI S. N. M1SRA : Will the MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. PLANNING be pleased to stale * RAMASWAMY) : (a) The Committee completed its deliberations on the 22nd (a) whether Government are contem- March, 1972, and the draft Teport has plating any compulsory legislation or been circulated to members before final making any rules to deprive of ccrtain adoption. 151 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 158

'b) The report will be laid on the (b): The outlays provided have almost Table of the House as soon as it is for- been fully utilised. mally submitted to Government. (c) The funds are provided for the (c) A sum of approximately Rs. State as a whole The district-wise figures 19,817/ was spent by the Government of are not available. India by way of T. A. and D. A.

(d ): The Committee was appointed on 9th July, 19f9 and has completed its Implementation of Revised Pay Scales work on the 22nd March, 1972. of Delhi School Teachers

7768 SHRI P. NARASIMHA Non utilised Amount Allocated to West REDDY : Will the Minister of EDUCA- Bengal and Assam for uplift of TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be plea- Scheduled Castes and Scheduled sed to state : Tribes and Backward Classes (a) whether a deputation of Delhi 7767. KUMARI KAMALA Teachers met the Deputy Minister of Edu- KUMARI : Will the Minister of cation (Shri D P. Yadav) in April, 1972 EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WFLFARL for the immediate imp’cnentation of the be pleased to state : revised pay-scales, as approved and sanc- (a) the total amount allocated to the tioned by the Government of India w.e.f West Bengal and Assam for the uplift of the 27ih May, 1970 and announced on the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and ^th September, 1971; Backward classes during the last thiee years; (b) if so, whether the said deputation of the Delhi Teachers was given an under- (b) whether tbe whole amount has not standing that the said rev ised pay scales been spent and if so, reasons therefor; and will be implemented in a month or two; and (c) the total amount spent, Distr.ct- wise, in these two States ? (c) if so, by which date Government propose to effect payment of the said THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE revised scales to Delhi Teachers to avoid MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND further hardship to them7 SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) (a) : THE DLPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND Year West Bengal Assam SOCIAI WELFARE AND IN THE Outlay Expendi- Outlay Expend i- DCPARTMLN1 OF CULTURE (SHRI ture ture D P YADAV) : (a) Yes, Sir.

Rs. in lakhs) (Rs. in lakhs) (b) The deputation was told that efforts 1969-70 93.00 100.52 170.50 167 55 will be made to make payment by July. 1972. 1970-71 98.79 120.54 133.92 140.52 1971-72 109.95 110.66 151.09 154 55 (c) The question of releasing payment (estima- (estima- of revised pay scales is under active consi- ted) ted) deration of the'Government. 153 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 154

Opening of Central University tn Gujarat DHYAYA): (a) The yard stick prescribed for the work of Architects in the C.P.W.D. 7769. SHRI VEKARIA : Will the is being followed in the Architectural Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL Wing of the Ministry of Health. The WELFARE be pleased to state : prescribed norm is always kept in view while assigning jobs to the Architects. (a) whether Government propose to open a Central University in the State of (a) and (c) No register indicating the Gujarat; movement of officers is being maintained. Officers arc required to maintain diaries (b) whether one 6f the existing Uni- about their daily activities and visits to versities will be converted to Central Uni- sites and for attending meetings in and versity or a new University will be set up; outside office and

(c) time by which the proposal is likely to be implemented? Representation from head of Teachcrs Training Centre to Ctuirmin, Board THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, of Governor# of I.LT. New Delhi SOCIAL WLLFARF AND CULTURE (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) No, 7771. SlIRl R R. SIIXRMA: Will Sir. the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to (b* and (c) Do not arise. state :

(a) whether a representation to the Yard Stick for Work Load of Architect Chairman o fth c B u rd of Governors of (Health—Wing) Indian Institute of Technology, New Delhi had been mtda by the Head of the 7770. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : Teachers Training Centre of the said Will the Minister of HEALTH AND Institute; TAMILY PLANNING be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question (b) if so, whether any action has been No. 3665 on the 24th April, 1972 and taken on this muter by the Board during state the last seven months; and

(a) whether any yard-slick lor work- (c) whether the Institute has provided load assigned to an Architect in his Minis- no lunds for three registered Ph. D. try (Health*Wing) has been prescribed, if students of this centre and is contemplat- so, the manner in which its fulfilment is ing to close this centre ? watched; THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, (b) whether any Staff Movement Regis- SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE ter is maintained m the Aichitect Section (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) and (b) of his Ministry to check that the Architects An assistant professor incharge of the perform their full day’s quota of allotted Teachers’ Training Centre at the Institute woik aod do not visit private sites; and represented about the future development (c) if not, the reasons therefor? of the Centre. The Board of Governors of the Institute examined the matter in detail THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and decided that since no fresh graduates MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY were being sponsored for teacher-training, PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTOPA- the remaining activities of the Centre 135 Written Answers MAY 29,1972 Written Answers 136 should be integrated with the Curriculum Water Supply in Government Colonies, Development work undertaken at the Delhi Institute. 7773. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will (c) There are three research scholars, the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING two full-time and one part-time, working be pleased to state : at the Centre The full-time scholars are receiving scholarships regularly. (a) whether Government built colonies in the capital like DIZ Area and R. JC. Puram are facing serious difficulty of Amount Allotted to Punjab under regular water supply; and Metropolitan Housing Scheme (b) if so, the steps taken by Govern* 7772. SHRI RAOHUNANDAN LAL ment in regularising the supply of water BHATIA: Will the Minister of WORKS to these colonies ? AND HOUSING be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether any amount has been MINISTRY OF WORKS AND allotted to Punjab under the Metro- HOUSING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) ; politan Housing Scheme; and (a) Yes, Sir.

(d) the names of towns id Punjab (b) To improve water supply in the which have been selected under the DIZ area, additional storage capacity both Housing and Urban Development Corpo- on the ground and overhead is being ration Scheme for this purpose ? provided

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE As regards R K. Puram, the position MINISTRY OF WORKS AND has slightly improved with the release of HOUSING (SHRI I. K GUJRAL): (a) additional water by the Delhi Municipal and (b) The Housing and Urban Develop- Corporation. The supply is likely to ment Corporation Limited have sanctioned further improve in the near future when on the 31st January, 1972, Mohali Urban an additional storage tank would be Estate Project near Chandigarh of the commissioned by the C P W.D. Punjab Government involving a loan of Rs. 1 crore which carries an interest at the rate of 7J%. The Scheme envisages Backsliding on Land Ceiling Issue the construction of houses/flats and development of plots to be sold as shown 7774. SHRI M. M JOSEPH : Will the below Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state . Category Houses/ Plots (a) whether Government has been Flats for sale warned that no backsliding on the issue Economically weaker of land ceilings would be tolerated by sections. 500 the people; and Low Income Group 100 3000 (b) if so, the reaction of Government Middle Income Group 4800 thereto ? Higher Income Group 200 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Commercial 750 MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Total 600 8750 ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). The Government have been extremely 157 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1«94 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

anxious to hasten the pace of land reforms THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, and improve implementation and is SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE persuing the matter vigorously with the (PROF. S NURUL HASAN): (a) No, State Governments. There is, therefore, no Sir. question of backsliding on the issue of land ceilings. (b) Only the University of Bombay and the six Universities in Uttar Pradesh, namely Agra, Allahabad, Gorakhpur, Hospitalisation of Retarded Children Kanpur, Lucknow and Meerut have not introduced the three year degree course. 7775. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (c) The University of Bombay decided FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to on academic grounds to continue with the state : Intermediate examination followed by Pass and Honours courses at the degree (a) whether retarded children are not level. given proper hospitalisation in the country; As for the Universities in Uttar Pradesh, the University Education Committee (b) if so, reason for tbe same; and appointed by the State Government recommended the introduction of the (c) steps taken by Government in this three*year degree course after a twelve- regard ? year duration of high school and intermediate courses. Although the State THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Government has accepted this recommen- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND dation, it has not been possible for them FAMILY PLANNING (PROF. D. P. to implement the scheme due to paucity CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) to (c). The of funds. mentally retarded children are oidinarily not hospitalised unless there is super* Some State Government Universities imposed mental disorder, for which they have since decided to revert to 10 + 2 + 2 are treated like any other mental disease pattern. They have, however, been case. The care of mentally retarded advised to defer implementation of the children is, however, a State subject. decision till the views of the Central Advisory Board of Education are known.

Three* Year Degree Course Non-Utilization of Amount earmarked 7776. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will for Training of Adult Blind and Deaf the Minister of EDUCATION AND 7777. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : PURKAR : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE (a) whether the three-year degree be pleased to state: course has not been adopted by many Universities in the country; (a) the amount earmarked by Govern- ment in 1971*72 for the training purpose (b) if so, the names of those of the adult blind and deaf as well as Universities; and schools for mentally deficient children;

(c) the reason advanced for not (b) whether this amount Jhas been implementing the same ? utilised by these institutions; and 159 Written Answers MAY 29* 1972 Written Answers 160

(o) if not, the reasons therefor and the to agricultural labourers and marginal provisions Government have made during farmers in Bihar, Assam and U» P. what the current financial year to help these steps are being taken to rectify the same? institutions ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND JAGANNATH PAHADIA) : (a) The SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. recommendations contained in the Interim RAMASWAMY). (a) A sum of Rs, 20.69 Report of the National Commission on lakbs was available in the revised estimates Agriculture and those of the Banking for 1971-72 for the National Centre for the Commission are still under examination. Blind, Dehra Dun, two existing units of ihe National Centre for the Deaf, (b) It is not correct to say that there is Hyderabad and the Model School for total denial of institutional credit to agri- Mentally Deficient Children, New Delhi. cultural labourers and marginal farmers in Bihar, Assam and Uttar Pradesh. (b) They utilised a sum of approximately Rs. 19.00 lakhs.

(c) The shortfall of Rs. 1.69 lakhs was due to the Sheltered Workshop of the 7779. tin t : National Centre for the Blind, Dehra Dan «ft firsitr sw?: not being expanded to the extent envisaged. WT fsWT w k *T*TT3r A sum of Rs. 24.23 lakhs has been 5TcTI?r ^ f% : provided for the three institutions in the budget for 1972 73. (*) faatar vw rc 1969 Sf sfri w riw

Setting up of Separate Cooperative v t ^i, eft z & t Societies and Rural Banks for Small iftt fW ff % fair and Marginal Farmers a * ^T*ff t * foaift

7778. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will SPT ; s f a the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased kto refer to the reply given to (tf) WT T O T * * ST unstarred Question No. 3630 on the 24th 1972 TT April, 1972 regarding the amount given to f«Rft ^*t *Ts?r ftor t *rf* small and marginal farmers and stale : *ft w f c m m ? (a) whether examination of the proposals for having Rural Banks and ftrwi smro * m v g separate Cooperative Societies for small and marginal farmers, as recommended by ?WTT f c m % TO-tilft («ft the Banking Commission and Agricultural qVo : (?f») % ffr»?% Commission respectively has since been completed, and if so, the result thereof; and wrcr% % fw r ^ 5TSW3T $ 1969 3 (b) in view of the total denial of institutional including cooperative credit aft* W R T *ti 161 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 162

\ spr «rTTer % x*\x IfflfWWt «3«Rf W f H W tn tffol* STf$<*r, fa ffR 55cT^f, T O sfe i^ w ffiiaf faw vWf 7780. «rt tmr: wr %ttx srrentfa W Hfird«r^ 5J5T %^ST irk ST^Tsft fcq 620 ^ wfa* irr«n * t *r fa*r * fer«rr 11 fif^rriTi «T*rr 1 1 f^cflir ar

^rr«r % fw«? *rfiw» HT??fer«P (n ) % sr%f«rer jnmrPrv «n*raf *r t o t PiPFrtN1 ^ ^r *r vW f *Ft qrafcar gfireiij firai% % w r % sriftn sf*r S w ffif % fasrre % 3f *rr^wf 7^sr«Trq‘ ^ ^ 11 qft * * f t % |3 ^ *rf*rfa ■new* ^ % faq v rrf ni ft1 sr^t er* wim m | *rtf frfafavt w w r tfvfaa f^Tmr % f^f«F«^ir ?nrm % sfa> ?nrr irsfcr ?TTpwr gsrrf^F «rwft*r m fiwr *mr *r i «rr«nTf ix Kftirgirftr 163 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 164

| » ir^sfTT *prF*rftsr ftrerfar f t *rf i *r*W «hff *r « sfafr m fwr »r*f $ » *T3T^I WW-? (iff f t w w t t % f%rr trsp iftjrer ^ ^rrcr v v g n, 1971 «r « r « t «pV »r$ w wrift^nplr * t aw terc «ft w«rr Jf 5 ?r«rr 6 ST****, 7781. «ft *(W * *T»TT : WT I97i f \ x m sr*m vfaft f«mf*!r v U *nr«rw w # *r% sm*r «pY % ssSrsFr *r w^rf f t n f «ft i frqr *T?t fa : fltsr^r *r vrift^ % ^ f^ ? r (?) Wr W*T, 1971 f t fafawr f i fsr^Tf ^ tr f t t t s s t % wx troitanif «pr srim* 3 * * ^ I 5 ?:r«r «r*Kf s?> f «rr «rr *rfe $r, eft 100 srfa^RT %'Stq- s t ^ r s r r vx% fsRrra' fsft ; iftr n) w t^ t t i ^rwr^rcT arffcnft ^TTTT 3* pwflf «TT *IT eft VW (*?r) ffwr?rc *r ji? fHqfir ? rw xt*h f t ^ f a n *t9t m f a m jlv j *r ijfar- qvrftlvfafcqt % 5TT^ $1* «rf*Tfi> «Ft f^JTT nmr»r ^ sriurr 11 f t sq-ai^rr f fa* tt^et flo ret ^rer srfasrcr farro s^nrm W ^'sr^r % % fsfir st srrir *rft: *rte ft, fcsrr *r f^rN 5T^ *r 5 qFTtf w er? wr smfa §f | ? 3 w r r *t »Tf 11 ^rft Trstfr f?TRf?T%?T ?TfR^ STf?H 1972- fa*rfl3 wk wram % 5g^T W «T*ftipf>T TT ^Tv^r OpJr spt^V^5«P4 1971 f l gf Ti «ft i ?it % sr

Appointments in Jawabarial Nehru ststt* f f l 1 1 University jtV^JTT VT v ro fa w * t o m 1972-73

if «rr«r fawr n*n t , z n * *rata § f 7783. SHRI JAGANNATHRAO wHF?rtiw sw fa k m ww % $ f t JOSHI: Will the Minister of EDUCA- TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be m^*r jfrft i pleased to state:

(a) whether appointments in the aftTT, f a * wit %cft Jawaharlal Nehru University are being made on the recommendation? of a duly «\T wm fa*T*I % constituted selection committee; ITTT (b) if so, whether any exception has 7 7 8 2 . «ft 3 ** 5* *Tm : **rr vfa been made in tliisregaid; and *T*t ^ SRTT^ |P7I * n t fo : (c) if so, the reasons therefor ?

(«p) 5FOT ?TT* fcr % afar, fa*r tr* a t w fo r THE MINISTER OP EDUCATION, TOT TO W I stffa SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) to (c) g?«rT^T qx ^ 5T^5T % Faculty appointments are being made by srrtff?rai =pt s*ir? qserr |; the Executive Council on the recommen- dation of duly constituted Selection Committees in relation to the posts un("er (*i) w srr^r fw»r % Statutes* 26(9) and 27. Statute 28, s* 5r^5«r)r ? ( v t trajnrm fjw «fto f$r?*) : ( * ) *rrrsf? Under the powers conferred on it by this Statute, ihe Executive Council has (hW>, t o sfk r, f a * srft g?*t) ^ t appointed a few scholars after consulta* fotf gwsr:

(®) zftx (*r). *r**f«KT arHsppft 7785. «rt anramiw stort : w t qst 3ri t # | %ftx *wr-re?r «rc fcran am* vwnji x& i t srrfcft i «pt trcr f t : 167 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 168

(?) m (b) if so, names of District! and the broad outlines thereof? f a w r r r r r z m st^kt % srarm s farSr *r »rf %zti % 'Tf^PTfSTFT «r THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE JTRRafViT »T$W % *r%? *t^ MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P SHINDE): (a) Yen, Sir. f i ^ (b) A statement giving the names of (m) afc 51, ?ft 1972 ir

*lft (sft* I^fo 3*r) : (?) gft, 7787. SHRI BIRENDFR SINGH ft i srarri errn sfor % fam»T STTT f^TT »TST m cT«IT ^ (b) if so, whether Government give an assurtnce that filtered water will be ^nfTfT? fwfirtrraiT % tft provided to this colony by December, f o n t 1 1971 ,

(c) whether filtered water has not so far (*sr) ?re ?t? gsrf ?ro ?t been provided to that colony and *£\$, hr* *jnmrc |, aft f? (d) the reasons therefor and the time 5r^rr srr 11 CHAI 10PAD11YAYA) (a) to (d; The required information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha Centrally Sponsored Scheme for Fertiliser Promotion in Selected ? t wfa? 3?qra*r Districts 7788. faangun: 5TTF*ft : m 7786 SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will tho Minister of AGRICULTURE be fffa «ktt% ?^ ?qr ?T«t f? : pleased to state : ( ? ) to t n 9 h i * (a) whether Centre propose to sponsor z * % «rfa? wnwr m a scheme for fertiliser promotion in 70 selected Districts in the country; and it 169 Written Anrwers JYAISTHA 8, 1994 (SAiC.4 ) Written Answers 170

(m ) w w i r t l % w firorf ifti !w w v w r w 3f t ; ** »nft (tft *o n$0 TIHIWTlft) : iw n j f^rnr (%??fta) m (*r) w r f* * R ? «Pt ^ «rrfe % sr&* TTW WV 1970-71 % ^ t ist *rrt if cftr ufarwr if <&r scthpt #*rf $v vmftr fm ^

(*) *f* st, «ft wftrr v n | ? fw rojr »twnw * tiw *nft (rfto 3rr fir*) : (v) aft $t t tw r w m ftr m «rr far ^ 3 w ih w W 9fW*T 40 «TW «fto zn wjt mwr I l. wt t o srfcr 103,82,463 2. «nsnr 109,10,391 (nr) ^nrev f «> fq ^ r ** vt «rt«T n?% *rr 3w r ^ % qrfr^rr*T- 3. faffR 130,61,120 *w «t , wf«wrer ?t 7*r > ^ 4. fSRRT 123,97,697 ?jftKr f w $ fa *r^ % ip?r*r?r jhr if ffe § f | I wtfV SSffiT f^TTfcTrT 5. sfwrcgr 1 1,86,560 5T*r?rr *ft if *pt^ 6. a r^ ?ror *wf>T 8,88,520 vt wir*m 1.5 Sr 2.0 msrtfVoCT 7. 30,39,000 «rf*w f> «rrq*ft i 8. *rwr srfcr 289,99,056

(*r) fftr (* ). frfsr^r ft wftn* 9. *nTTTKf 121,22,572 *r s e r a * vft *V 5ffrw?*nf)cTT % if WS 1972-73 % fw? »r% vr 10. ir^HT 28,90,000 S tW ta 5^T?TW ^ r fattffTff f5T% 11. % 34,79,720 *T STVT f*WRT«ft*T 11 12. Hrmfo 37,05,000

13. 3ftaT 141,24,421 «r*m vw n? fawnt jt t t fafaw* TT«ff ^ firm «wt v i 14.

a*T»rf % faaftsr % fai? fa a m a * fnrr a«rr aft saft faaft f l WJfHf 8*r% armfarsr §q ?

7790. sftwm m iTvrm «wt ftwT a f t a m * wwwj a a w a ft firan a f t awwr v m r r a t f tm ft a*wnft (*t %«> i?a® T rarw at): *

(*T) tftTT W ^W H ?T ^ f iw r »WT (a) whether Union Government have *rt sra% wr vmyr f ? received complaints regarding the mis management in the University at fcrarT aft amu aam* * Bangalore and aw-aa* («ft *® *?a° TTm*wnft) (b) if so, the reaction of Government (* ) % (»T). 3TT»T8hT'0 TF*T ffT ?R ft thereto? «st 3TT Tift ft aft *W TOT

q r tar fo n *ror»n i THF MINISTER O r EDUCATION SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE (PROF S NURUL HASAN) (a) and (b) srfa *rfw 500 has since submitted his report to the w ft % f^FTTt ft a$nrar i t t it , a f t University Since the Bangalore University is under the control of the Government of Mysore, it is for the State ( a ) wfa ?T, ?ft *w erta *«rf ft *ft Government to oonstder the report and ifmmr?, *1* a f t ataTftr f**ft ft lake nece&aary action in tbe matter. 173 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8* 1894 (SAKAt Written Answers 174

n n m n r fW r THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THfc MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND tffcnflf tffcr «r *mwr FAMILY PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (al and tb). 779V «ft WWTTWTW wtptW : «WT Ayurvedic drugs to the extent of Rs. 3.56 ffil wtf w * ^ frtrr fa : lakhs and Rs. 6.50 lakhs were purchased during 1970-71 and 1971-72, respectively («f) *ft »r*Tm? fafcr & ^f*r^r from the private concerns by the Central Government Health Scheme A statement sfbrc? «rk w fasH* showing total amount paid concern-wise T O T m t f3T«rvt m i ITTSTTT qr is laid on the Table of the 1 louse. [Placed ntfk mr m*&r %*r »wr f «rte fa tft in Library. See No. LT—3088/72] «n%**- WTtnr; necessary to set up its own manufacturing research/production centre as the present level of expenditure in this connection (sr) *r t t rrfr^snft i^sf cannot be considered as huge *> *r<**T % fair ijfir % WrafjfT *pf 1972-73 % *>th grr *? finrr artfm r i k *rf? ift g s n Utilisation of Foods Sanctioned to District Basti, U. P. under ( rash tiT^nj ^trr | ? Programme for Rural Employment

tffa ITW5W Sf TTW 7795 SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA wtrmT%r

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Utilisation of Ore-Handling Capacity MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND at Paradip Port SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K S RAMASWAMY) • (a) No amount has 7798 SHRI D K. PANDA Will the been released to the Madhya Pradesh Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- State Tribal Co-operative Development PORT be pleased to state Corporation by the Centre during the last three years. The amount provided (a) the extent to which ore handling to the State Government under the Co* capacity at Paradeep Port has been lying operative Schemes during the last three idle during the past two years and the years a re '— extent of loss estimated to have been caused to the nation as a result thereof, (Rs in lakhs) and 1969-70 12 00 1970-71 700* (b) the steps proposed to be taken to 1971-72 700* utilise this capacity fully and the time by which full utilisation of this capacity is "Includes Rs 3 SO lakhs given as loan likely to be achieved ? 117 fr r itm J m m m JYAISTHA 8. 1894 (SAKA) WrUtmAmmm 17»

TUB MINISTER OP PARLIAMEN- (e). Tbe Government of Kerala have TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND handed over a land of about >5.89 acre* TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): including constructed buildings with the f«) Ore-handling plant capacity at plinth area of about 6550 sq. meters at Paradeep Port is two million tonne* per Cheruthuruthy, Trichur District in June, annum and tbic target was achieved in 1971, to theCfentral Council for Research 1990-71. However during the year 1971-72 in Indian Medicine and Homoeopathy. the port bandied tbe export of 1.8 million The Council have established a Central tonnes of iron ore. Tbe abort fall is mainly Research Institute there to undertake due to the following r e a s o n s • research on various clinical problems. Certain herbs of medicinal value will also (i) poor arrival of iron ore doe to be cultivated. inadequacy of railway wagons for movement of iron ore; (ii) the cyclone and its aftermath in Centre for German Studies at Jawabarlal Nov. 1971. Nehra University, New Delhi

(iii) Defence efforts in December 1971. 7800. SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI ; Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND If another 200,000 M. T. of ore had SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to been exported during the last year, state: additional foreign exchange to the extent of Rs 60 per M. T. would have been (a) whether the Indian delegation went earned in that year. to the West Germany and whether the per- (b) Steps are being taken to achieve the manent Indo-German Cultural Committee target during 1972-73 has decided at us second bcssion to support the Centre for Gernnu studies at Jawabarlal Nehru University. New Delhi, Land Acquired for Herbs Plantation In Kerala (b) it so, the main points on which agreement has been reached, and 7799. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (c) when the Centre for German FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to studies is likely to start? state; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB (a) whether Government have acquir- MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND ed some lands in Trichur Districts SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE (Kerala) to plant herbs of high medicinal DEPARTMENT OF CULTURB (SHRI value; D. P. YADAV) s (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the total acreage ofland acquired and the number of years since (b) It was decided that there will be the acquisition; and collaboration and cooperation in the development of the Centre of German (c) the progress in planting so far ? Studies at the Jawabarlal Nehru Univetsiiy. It was agreed that in tbe THE MINISTER OF STATB IN fir it phase the German side would provide THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH tbe following in 1972-73: AND FAMILY PLANKING (PROF. IX P« CHA1T0PA0HYAYA) ; (a) to

(ii) Two teachers of German m i x * t F fT O j m language; jf^rrt fcifoc (iii) Textbooks;

(iv) Language laboratory with an % m wnhrr# # | ? initial capacity of 25 booths. ffa wwwr S x m In the second phase, the Centre would be developed as a Centre of German «r>isrr fcr»t) : ( * ) «foc ( « ) . Studies inclusive of disciplines other than irwrFcrcr fvcO t m F*aw ffir language teaching. For this purpose, a «reft*T y irr w F w r *nn fc *r special project would be formulated and an additional arrangement concluded. F*«rr arr x% | * far* fcfta .fifPrtfr cfT«rf 8KT $ m fTWRT SfataR % (c) The Centre of German Studies Fwq %• ip w i % «r??nT5r has been functioning at the Jawaharlal Nehru University from the academic fa m $, ot* fNawf gmr year 1971-72 when courses in (i) Pre- 5 aRT f«rftrsT yfa F*nr«ff, t o degree diploma in German and (ii) Certificate of proficiency in German were 5*t: s«im % ^rFfr^nu wf* introduced. From the academic year j r o suffer wrFfcwf 3r% m b 11 1972-73 the following additional courses F«rfsmfemff v r it F*rcw are likely to be introduced ; w F ro % Fsrq 1. M. A. in German. f w v f * W ® 2. fi.A. (Hons.) in German «n|*rf?T f t | i language and literature. * x* t x % F*rers*T, 1971 vt 3. Higher Diploma of specialised $wzx swt fkm) F*w*nsr in German. «rr^r, 19 7 1 sftFtrcr Fw t $» F^ardt 4. Higher diploma in German Ut^fT % | J RTf *FT faaW, vJ*T Language and Literature. *rr*»?fr % «rftrfT«fcT, FarcS fcrcrw 5. Dipiome of advance proficiency trrftr % freria F^pj Fw** % v t i in German. %f't( flT, ®TT

TO 1971*72 S WF«W f t * «?& f ftr ftstf I? faro ? % fT* * *T# Jftfa tr w w fH W f 7802. f^«W W :W T 7801. S im : f f tr «iwft «r| *m% fqrr WT f f t Iftft V* FTT *T*r ff? : fin i

( v ) w % cntr 1971-72 % f t m n ^ irp w m r i h N t 3tr Wuri*1 % f f W f *WflWW WW( V? f i 181 Writtmt Anwtr JYAISTHA 8.1894 {SAKA) Writttn Answers 182

( * ) Hfr awtf | «rta Payment of Sagarcane Price by Mills in Tamil Nadu faa* wfir | ? 7804. SHRJ M. R. LAKSHMI- f f e *HIHW 3 t i r o **** (*f* NARAYANAN : fir*): (*) #, DR. LAXMINARAIN PANDEYA: n ff i Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (sr) srtRr «TffV $ tar t (a) whether the suggestion of the Central Government to the Sugar Mills in Tamil Nadu to pay the minimum price for f f«r, 3«tor afiwwn t?*r m sN %*tf sugarcane (Rs 8.50 per quintal) for the season 1971-72 and as agreed to by the President of the South India Sugar Mills Association has been implemented by All 7803. «ft *$nrhmr fa$ 5 t m : the sugar mills; Sfcrr f f a *m# tit v n (b) if not, the reasons thereof; f a : (c) whether the Government of Tamil (v) *rt l5[?T s*pt srfararcy Nadu has been consulted in the matter and if so, tbe reaction of the State Government; $fat>rrof «rfaer sr*r* v*# w t and jRirtr rrsnr $ W* VF f f a w t a (d) the action the Central Government srfasrcjr qw sresfa *mfacT propose lo take in the matter ? vr srwra |; «fo: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. («r) sfa ?>t , ?r> 3W 3RT t t ^ t- SHER SINGH) (a) Out of tbe 16 facto- *rc 79 faarrfetcT snWt «fk ries in the State, one factory is making fasr f«Ffr ?«n?i> t t 5ri$ 3rr^ft ? payment at the rate of Rs. 8 50 per quintal and another factory is making payment at the rate of Rs. 9 5© per quintal with an f f e irontra 3 t t w w f t («ft additional varietal allowance of Rs iw gw ffri «fto fin l) : (*) irf«r 51-per tonne for better quality cane. The others were making payment at less than «fartf*n» srftrw w r srw ft fcsr Rs. 8.50 per quintal. w ifta «rc* tit « tf «torcrr ?r$f 1 1 (b) The Government of India have fixed aqrPr, m^T^r^rnrft. *mror

sr^TT mx ? | | ' (c) and (d). The Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu has been requested to inter- ( * ) wpt ft

IntrttctlMs regarding Quality Restrictions (a) whether certain private shipping for Procurement of Wheat companies have entered into ao agreement with Japan to ship Indian iron ore to that 7805. SHRI N. K. SANGHI: WiU the country; and Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleated to state: (b) if so, the main features thereof ?

(a) whether instructions have been THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- issued that wheat procured by the Food TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND Corporation of India should conform to TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : rigid quality restrictions prescribed in (a) Yes, Sir. this regard; (b) The Great Eastern Shipping Company (b) if so, the date of issue of instruc- Ltd, and Dempo Steamships Ltd., along tions and whether the quantum of procure- with the Shipping Corporation of India ment has gone down since that date; and have entered into an agreement with Nippon Steel Corporation, which represent (c) whether strict adherence to the nine steel mills in Japan, for shipment of instructions has created difficulties to 15 per cent of total quantity of Bailadilla small farmers in disposing of their and Kiriburu ores sold by Minerals and stocks ? Metals Trading Corporation Ltd., to Japanese Steel Mills during the year 1972- THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE 73. The agreement for 1972-73 provides MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI that the freight rate will remain fixed ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, throughout the year at U. S. Dollars 3.85 Sir. per tonne as against U. S. Dollars 4.75 during the year 1971-72. (b)The instructions were issued on 24-3*72 t e. before the commencement of Memorandum from All India Primary 'he procurement operations for 1972*73 marketing season. The quantum of pro- Teachers Federation, Pataa curement so far this season has been 7807. SHRI C. K CHANDRAPPAN substantially larger than that of the corrsponding period of last season. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION (c) Even though some reports about AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to the farmers bringing inferior quality wheat state ’ for disposal were received by Government, v no general difficulty is being experienced (a) whether Government have received by small farmcts in selling gram to the any memorandum from the All India procuring agencies Cleaning facilities Primary Teachers Federation; Patna; have been provided

D.P. YADAV) : (a) Yes. Sir. A copy (Quantity in lakh of a printed, unsigned, Memorandum dated Tonnes) 3rd April, 1972 addressed to the Prime For consumption Free e Fair Total Minister by the All XodidC Primary Teachers during sale price Federation, Patna has been received in sugar sugar the Ministry of Education and Social October, 1971 5.00 — Welfare. 3.00 November, 1971 3.50 — 3.90 (b) The demands put forward by them December, 1971 3.38 — 8J5 are as follows j— January, 1972 1.30 2X8 3.38 February, 1972 1.31 1.91 3.22 (i)To amend the Constitution and March, 197S 1.19 2.06 3.25 make “Primary Education” a Central subject. April, 1972 1.19 1.91 3.10 May, 1972 1.19 1.96 3.15 (ii)To amend the Constitution and June, 1972 1.18 1.95 3.13 extend the right of voting and contesting to the State Legislative (b) Wholesale prices of free sale sugar Councils from the Teachers' Consti- in some of the important cities ranged as tuency, to the primary teachers of under in each month from October, 1971 the country. to May. 1972

(c) These matters have already been Range of prices raised by others separately and are under (Rs. per qt|.) examination. October, 1971 190.00 to 109.00 November, 1971 197.00 to 225.00 December, 1971 229.00 to 260.00 Sugar released daring 1971*72 and January, 1972 243.00 to 278.00 Its price February, 1972 267 00 to 300 00 March, 1972 295.00 to 318.00 7808. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be April, 1972 268.00 to 300.00 pleased to state: May, 1972 (22nd) 269.00 to 308 00

(a) how much sugar was released Maas Copying in Examinations la monthly for domestic consumption dunng Delhi University the year 1971*72; and 7809. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAP&AJN : (b) the tendency of sugar price during WiU the Minister of EDUCATION AND this period ? SOCIAL WBLFARE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the attention of Govern- THE MINISTER O F STATE IN THE ment has been invited to the report MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. appeared in Patriot on the 5th May, 1972 SHER SINGH). (a) Sugar year is from on the problem of mass copying in exami* October to September next. Following nations in Delhi University; and quantities of sugar have been released dnrtag the period October. 1971 to June,

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, (a) whether tbe National Archtaef of SOCIAL WELFAR8 AND CULTURE India have acquired tome microfilmed (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) and

7810. 8HRI NAWAL KISHORE (d) The microfilms or records acquired SHARMA : Will tbe Minister of EDU- from abroad throw further light oa almost CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be every faced of the modem period of Indian pleased to state : history. They mould enable the historian 191 Wtitfm Angwgrs JYAISTHA *. IW4 (SAKA) Wrltun Answers 190

to have a falter and dearer picture of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB event* and trend* in India. The changes MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- in Interpretation or emphasis concerning ING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) and events of Indian History, resulting from a (b). Housing is in the State Sector of the study o f these microfilm*, cannot be Fourth Five Year Plan. The physical predicted with any certainty, as these targets are determined by the State would depend on the future work of Governments themselves'aooording to thehr Indian historians. own requirements, priorities and availa- bility of resources. It is, however, correct that the pace of construction of houses Committee for Child Welfare for low income groups in the country has been slow. The main reason for this is 7811. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE the paucity of overall resources, and the SHARMA : WiU the Minister of EDU- low priority that has had to be given to CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be Housing (both at the National as well as pleased to state: State level) against competing requirements of other priority programmes such as (a) whether there is a scheme under agriculture, industry, irrigation and the consideration of Government to set up a Committee for Child Welfare in the power etc. country; and (c) The Housing and Urban Develop- (b) if so, the salient feartures thereof ? ment Corporation Ltd. set up as a Government Company is expected to build up a corpus of about Rs. 200 crones over THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB a period of years for use as Revolving MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND Fund for financing Housing and Urban SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. Development programmes. There is at RAMASWAMY): (a) and (b). There i* a present no proposal to iucrease this proposal to set up a National Children's Fund. Board. Details of the Board have not yet been finalised. Appoaitmeot of a Committee to Study Growing of Coconut in Delhi Construction of Homes for Low Income and Northern India Groups in the Country 7gl3 SHRI NAWAL KISHORE 7812. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA : Will the Minister of AGRI- SHARMA : Will the Minister of WORKS CULTURE be pleased to state: AND HOUSING be pleased to state : (a) whether Government are oonsidec- (a) whether various State Government to appoint a Committee of Arieultural are not keeping pace with* the targets Expert* to study the possibility of growing of construction offhouaes for Low Income coconut tree in Delhi and Northern Group*in the country; India;

(b) if so, the names of the States (b) if so, the particular of the Comm- which are behind the schedule and the ittee ; and reason* therefor; and (c) whether some experiments haws (c) whether Government is consider- been started in this direction and if so, ing to increase the revolving fond ? the date of commencing planting work ? m W H xm A m m m MAY 29,1972 W m m A n m * t n

TUB MINISTER OP STATE IK THE sion of service, wastefttf expenditorwand MINISTRY OP AGRICULTURE (SHRI violation of the luovMdHs of the A « ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (ft) No, end Statutes, by various authorities or Sir. the Indian institute of Technology, Delhi the complaints are examined (b) Does not arise. with reference to the provisions of the Institutes of Technology Act, 1961 and the (e) No experiments have been started Statutes framed thereunder. On examina- la this direction as it is felt that coconut tion, some of tbe complaints have been cultivation will not be a successful venture found unjustified and the examination of in Delhi and North India doe to unsuita- the rest is in progress. ble climatic conditions In view of this the question of commencing the planting work does not arise. Construction of Additional Hall la 1.1. T , Delhi

Misappropriation of Animal Financial 7815. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will Allotment to I I. T., Delhi the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 7814. SHRI SAMAR GUHA Will state: the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to (a) whether the l.IT, Delhi had state: three big halls viz. (i) Air-conditioned Seminar Hail, (u) Open Air-Theatre and (a) whether Members of Parliament (in) a closed Gallaned Gymnasium Hall, have made complaints to him against with accommodation for 800, 2000 and the administration of 1. L T. Delhi» IS00 respectively; (b) whether in these complaints, (b) if so, the expenditure involved in charges have been made against the construction of these Halls and whether administration with regard to misappro- these halls have been fully utilised , priation of the annual financial allotment made to the Institute, wasteful and (c) the reasons for the construction irregular expenditure of the money of the of an additional h»llatthe expenditure Central Government given to the Institute of more than Rs 8.4 lakhs only for the and violation ol tbe prescribed rules of purpose of holding Annual Convocation; budget accounting of the Government , and and

(c) if so, whether Government propose (d) whether the Annual Convocations to institute a Judicial Inquiry into the were being held m the air-conditioned whole affairs of management accounts and and electronically fitted Seminar Hall ? running of tbe administration of I I. T., Delhi? THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, (PROF S NURUL HASAN): (a) SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE The Institute has a Gymnftium hail with (PROF. S NURUL HASAN): (a) to seating capacity of 520 and an Open Air (c). The Government has received from Theatre with seating capacity of 1727 some Members of Parliament complaints attached to the students1 Recreational of irregularity in the matter of appoint- Centre It has only one Seminar Hail ments, promotion, fixation of pay, exten- with a seating capacity of 438 in tbe main |93 Written Anawm JYAISTHA g, 1894 {SAKA) Written Answers 194 academic building. The Seminar HaU is (an, estimates, air-conditioned. accounts and maintenance cost for this residential building have been approved (b) The cost of the gymnasium and by the Board of Governors, Indian insti- open air theatre is about Rs 3.34 lakhs tute of Technology, New Delhi and also and that of the seminar halt is Rs 7 04 by the Central Government and if not, lakhs. They are being fully utilised. whether the Government will institute an enquiry into the whole matter and (c) A new auditorium has been built if not, the reasons therefor ? to provide facilities for exhibition of educational and recreational films, in- THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, auguration of international conference and SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE seminars, large meetings, lectures by digni- (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) A tories cultural functions bv staff and students sum of Rs 65,600 was spent on the and for annual convocation. The seating construction of Director’s Bunglow in capacity of the auditorium is 1100 1963. and its cost including fittings and furni- ture about Rs. 7.50 lakhs. The cost of maintenance of each build* (d) Annual conaocations were ing on the campus is not kept separately previously held under shamianas and by the Institute For ihe maintenaiicee later in the seminar hall. The seminar of all buildings, however estimates are made hall was, however, found inadequate on the basis of C. P. W. D norms. The and unsatisfactory to accommodate actual expenditure is less than the norms students, and their parents, s'aff and During 1971-72, ihe total expenditure on invitees to the convocation. the maintenance of all buildings was Rs. 5.66 lakhs against the permissible limit of Rs. 9 89 lakhs. Residential Quarter of Director, I I.T. New Delhi (b) All Directors of the Indian Institutes of Technology have been provided with 7818 SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will similar residential buildings on the the Minister of EDUCATION AND campus SOCIAL WEI FARE be pleased to state * (c) Does not arise.

(a) the amount spent for the con- (d) The plan and estimates were struction of the residential quarter of approved by the Board of Governors the Director, Indian Institute of Techno- of the Institute on the recommendation logy. New Delhi and its annual main- of the Building and Works Committee. tenance cost;

(b) whether similar residential Misuse of Funds by Head of Depart- buildings have been allowed to be built ment of Humanities and Social' by the Directors of Indian Institutes of Sciences of I. I T. New Delhi. Technology of Kharagpur, Kanpur, Bombay and Madras; 7817- SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND (c) if not, the reason for permitting SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : the Director, Indian Institute of Tech* oology, New Delhi, to build such a (a) whether the Head of the Depart- residential quarter for him in Delhi ; ment of Humanities and Social Sciences and of 1.1. T. Delhi misused the funds of the 195 W ritten Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 196

9th Sociological Conference held in 1 .1. T. (a) whether furniture worth rupees Delhi in 1969 and whether he played several lakhs has been manufactured in fraud on the issue of accounting Rs. 6,000 the furniture workshop of Indian Institute given by Oandhi Centenary Fund for the of Technology, Delhi; same Conference; (b) if so, the total cost of the raw (b) whether the same Head of the materials used in the finished products Department tempered with the minutes of during the last three years; and Selection Committee with regard to the Research Scholars selection ; and (c) whether inventory (account) has been kept for the materials received, (c) if so, whether Government will labour expended and the finished products enquire into the conduct of the said Head manufactured in the workshop? of the Department of 1.1. T. Delhi? THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) The (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) The cost of furniture fabricated in the work- Ninth All India Sociological Conference was shop of the Institute since its inception held by the all India Sociological Society is about Rs. 24 lakhs. at the Institute in November 1969. The Institute made available its Seminar Hall (b) The total cost of furniture and extended facilities for the boarding and fabricated in last three years (from lodging of delegates. The Institute also 1-4.69 to 31-3-72) is Rs. 4.38 lakhs. contributed Rs. 19,000 towards the The cost of materials is about Rs. 3.00 expenses of the Conference. In addition, lakhs and that of labour about Rs. 1.38 the Head of the Department of Humanities lakhs. deposited with the Institute a sum of (c) Yes, Sir. Rs. 6*000 received as contribution from the Oandhi Peace Foundation and Rs. 5,000 out of the money collected under 'he Mess Accounts of 1 .1. T. Hostels, arrangements of the Society. The Delhi Institute is only aware of this amount of Rs. 30,000. The accounts for the expen- 7819. SHRI KARTIK ORAON : diture of Rs. 30,000 have been audited. SHRI SAMAR.OUHA : The Institute has already given an utilisation certificate for an amount of Will the Minister of EDUCATION Rs. 11,000/- (Rs. 6,000/+Rs. 5,000) to the Organisers of the Conference. AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : (b) The Institute has denied the allegation. (a) whether the Mess Accounts of the seven hostels of I. I. T., Delhi involving (c) Does not arise. lakhs of rupees were given to A. O. C. R. for inspection by the authority; Inventory Regarding Fnrnltwre Manu- factured In Workshops of 1 .1. T. (b) whether a directive was issued by Delhi the Government of India in consultation with the Comptroller and Auditor General 7818. SHRI KARTIK ORAON: Will regarding the checking of the Mess the Minister of EDUCATION, AND Accounts as far back as four years ago; SOCIAL WBLFARB be pleased to state : and 197 W rkm A»sw en JYAISTHA 8. 1894 {SAKA) Wruittt Answers 198

(c) it so, whether Ihe I. 1. TM Delhi of the Institute. For furniture and has compiled with Ihe directive; and if equipment, a register is kept by each not, the reasons therefor? Department/Section as a part of the Central Register. All movable and THB MINISTER OF EDUCATION, immovable assets have been entered in SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE those Registers. (PRQF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) to (c). In 1966, A. O West Bengal pointed out that (d) Does not arise the Hall Caution Money collected by the Indian Institute of Technology, Khargpur should also be reflected In tbe consolidated Demand for Hand Tractors and Steps accounts of the Institute. Since this to Increase supply implied that all non-statutory collections and deposits should be subjected to 7821 SHRI RANABAHADU& statutory audit, the Ministry suggested to SINGH Will the Minister of all the Institutes of Technology in 1968 AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : that all such collections and deposits should be reflected in the consolidated (a) the present quantum of demand for accounts of the Institutes. hand tractors in the country.

The Institutes represented that the (b) the present manufacturing capacity messes were run entirely by students, that available in the country of such tractors, mess collections were not a part of tbe and funds of the Institutes and that therefore tbe mess accounts should not be subject (c) the steps being taken to lessen the to statutory audit The matter is under gap between the demand and supply ? examination in consultation with the Comptroller and Auditor General. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P SHINDE) (a) The Noa-eatry of Assets and Equipment demand of hand-tractors (Power tillers) in Central Stork Register of 1.1. T as assessed by the working group of New Delhi Agricultural Machinery and implements, Ministry of Agriculture is 80,000 Nos. per 7820. SHRI KART1K. ORAON W ill annum at the end of 1972-73. the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to itate (b) At present the following S(five) units are licenced to manufacture Power (a) whether equipment of movable and tiller for a capacity of 36,000 Nos. per immovable assets of semi permanent and annum permanent nature amounting to several crores of rupees have not been entered (i) M/s Krishi Engines Pvt. Ltd., into the Central stock register of Indian Hyderabad for a capacity of 3,000 Nos Institute of Technology, New Delhi, and per annum.

(b) if so, the reason thereof ? (ii) M/s VST Tillers Tractors Ltd., Bangalore (Mitsubishi for a capacity of THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 5,000 Nos. per annum). SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE (PROF. S NURUL HASAN) :

(iv> M/s Indoqirip Bngmeering Ltd. When a design a finalised its Ahmedabad (Iseki-for a capacity of 10,000 manufacturing drawings ant made and Mm per annum) distributed to the interested manufacturers in the concerned States. They are also (v) The Kerala Agro-Industries provided the technical assistance by the Corporation, Trivandrum (Kubato—for a research centres concerned to manufactor* capacity of 12,000 Nos per annum). the machines

(c) As Power Tillers Industry is With regard to machinery and included in ‘Core* Sector, all possible operations concerned tn post-harvest a assistance is being given to the manufactu- coordinated project has been prepared by ring units for tbe import of raw material the I.C . A R and approved by the and components to step up the Planning Commission. This scheme will production. In addition three more deal with research and development aspects schemes for a total capacity of 29,000 Nos of machines like harvesters, processing per annum are still under consideration equipment, drying, storage and handling etc

Ratkmalisatioa of Research Develop- !n order to develop the inventive ment and Manufacture of Farm talerts of research workers both m the Machinery private and public sectors and also ot individuals, the I C A R has implemen 7822 SHRI RANABAHADUR ted a scheme for award of prizes for SINGH: Will the Minister of AGRI- outstanding contribution in the develop CULTURk be pleased to state ment of selected machines Awards of the amount of Rs 6,000/ , Rs 3,000/- and (a) whether Government have any Rs. 1,000/- to first, second and third proposal to set up a mechanism to winners for each machine recommended rationalize the research, development and by t he Committee are awarded. Research manufacture of farm machinery, and awards sui h as Rafi Ahmed Kidwai Prize and the awards by the Invention Promot on (b) if so, the main feature thereof? Board are also available

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THfc Three Researih Testing Centres at MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Ludhiana, Poona and Hyderabad are being ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) (a) and (b) provided with financial assistance by the The Government of India has I. C. A R. for research on selected established a Research Testing Centre implements for farm machinery in each State during the Third Plan During the Fourth Plan, these centres are being continued by the Visit of Scientists of Indian Council of respective States and the I C A. R has Agricultural Research to study Problem implemented a scheme for strengthening of Farmers of Sargnja two centres—one at I A R. I. and the or Sidhi other at Coimbatore for dealing with research, design and development of farm 782^ SHRI RANABAHADUR implements pertaining to crops which are SINGH Will the Minister or AGRI- predominantly grown in the North and CULTURE be pleased to state South of the country After designing the implement its prototypes are manu- (a) whether any team of Scientists from factured for evaluation under different the I. C. A. R. visited the Adivasi areas agroclirnattc and soil conditions of Sargu>a or Sidhi to gain on tbe spot 201 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 202 knowledge of such problems of farmers (d) and (e). The report of the enquiry that can be subject matter of research; officer is awaited. In the meantime, the and security deposit of the labour contractor has been withheld and suitable recoveries (b) if so, the main features thereof ? are also being made from his current b'lls.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) Not yet, New Agricultural Technology Sir. 7825. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL t Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE (b) Does not arise. be pleased to state:

(a) whethei Director General of Indian Foodgrains Damaged during 1971 In Council of Agriculture Research has PCI Chanderi Depot, Kanpur suggested for co-operative action to enable farmers with small holdings to adopt 7824. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD modern agriculture technology; MANDAL: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : (b) if so, whether he has also pointed] out that new technology of farming could (a) whether foodgrains worth be adopted with tase by all farmers Rs. 150,000 were damaged in the Food irrespective of the size of their Farm; Corporation of India Chanderi Depot, Kanpur during tho year 1971; (c) if so, theex'ent to which suggestions of DGICAR are being given a practical (b) if so, the reasons of damage; shape; and

(c) whether any inquiry into the causes (d) the steps being taken m the matter? of the damage of that foodgtains has been made ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (d) if so, the names of person/ (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) contractors responsible for this loss; and Yes lie has suggested that coordinated and concerted action by the entire village (e) whether the loss has since been or water-shed community can alone bring recovered from the concerned contractor about the full benefits of the new and if not, the reasons thereof? technology with particular reference to pest control, water management, drain- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE age and soil conservation, Besides, the MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI small farms also necessitate the availability ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) The cost on a community basi& of efficient but of foodgrains damaged in the Food often expensive equipment for sowing, Corporation of India Chanderi, Kanpur harvesting and processing. Cooperative works out to Rs. 1,35,507. endeavour in crop planning and efficient marketing arrangements are also essential (b) The stocks were damaged by rains to ensure better economic returns to the as the receipts were heavy and they couid farmers who take to scientific agriculture. not be transported to the godowns on acooupt of inadequacy of labour; (b) Yes. An important factor in determining the usefulness of new techno- (c) Yes, Sir. logy is the ease with which it can be 203 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 204 adopted on tbe basis of decision and wf«t if x m «Hft («ft action on the part of the individual farmer.

(d) The Minister of Agriculture, (a) whether the slum clearance policy Government of India, as well as the State pursued so far has not proved vey success- Governments have launched a number of ful as large areas in the capital have developmental schemes through which the developed mto stums new technology is being populauzed for countrywide adoption. Examples are the (b) whether Government have formu- High-Yielding Varieties Programme, lated any measures for speedy removal of Intensive Cotton District Programme, the slums from the capital and if so, main pilot projects in Dryland Farming and features theieof, and Multiple Cropping and Small and Marginal Farmers Scheme (c) whether any measures have also been worked to provide proper rehabilitation to people when removed from the slum • to u r v* sn sstaR areas 7 •ft H W fflf Wfaft faUT 3IRT THE MINISTER OJh STATE IN THL MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- 7826. . WTVfa ING (SHRI I K. GUJRAL). (a) The ^ f a : problems of slums m the capital is gigantic. However, within the funds ( * ) w t xrsrcqrrJT *r w fo provided for Slum Clearance/Improvement Scheme in Delhi, some measure of success rs rv t sft n * has been achieved, $fW % tffaff fTT^nr *pr srftwRr m srfcRrer d t t 46.04 sfcrera ment of slum areas an allocation of Rs. Iffas z r t 37.02 2 S crores has been earmarked during the current year for carrying out improve* srftwmr *rn$tar*T tit *rprr

ranee, ate rehabilitated in the same areas (a) whether beds in private hospitals after redevelopment, or in nearby locali- are often found vacant, whereas Govern* ties. raent Hospitals in Delhi are always over- crowded with patients who havo to wait for months for wants of beds ; Setting up of more Government Hospitals (b) if so whether Government have in the Capital analysed reasons therefor; and 7828. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the (c) whether Government are proposing Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state: any steps to ensure full utilisation of medical facilities in private hospitals for (a) whether medical facilities m the general benefit of people in Delhi and Government Hospitals are not adequate to avoid rush in Government Hospitals ? to meet the growing needs of people of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Delhi and surrounding cities; MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMI- (b) whether any assessment has been LY PLANNING (SHRI A. K. KISKU): made of the medical facilities available (a) and (b) Almost all the private and those needed for the people; and Hospitals with general beds have more than 90% of their beds fully occu- (c) whether it is proposed to open one pied throughout the year. Specialised or two more Government Hospitals to cope Hospitals like Eye Hospitals are fully with the needs of people of the Capital ? occupied during the operation season (October-March). During the off season THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE they are not so fully occupied. The great MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY rush in Government Hospitals is mainly PLANNING (SHRI A. K. K ISK U ): (a) due to the services being free while in the There are 9740 beds in Union Territory of private Hospitals the patients have to pay Delhi for a population of 42 26 lakhs and for the same. this give bed population ratio of 2.3 as against the All India bed population ratio (c) Does not arise. of 0.49 per one thousand population, which is also the highest as compared to other States of India. Break-through in Rice Production

(b) The Study Group in Hospitals 7830. SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU : conducted a Study in 1968 about the Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be medical facilities available and those pleased to state I in the Union Territory of Delhi. (a) whether a major break-through in (c) Yes, Delhi Administration has rice production in the country is expected already commissioned 54 beds for the with the introduction of two new high 500-bed hospital to be opened in Hari yielding varieties-IET 1991 and JET I0J9 Nagar and a 500* bed hospital is also being with superior grain quality : established in Shahdara. (b) if so, the main feature thereof; and

Utilisation of Medical Facilities in (c) production and cropped area. Private Hospitals In Delhi State-wise, expected to be covered by these two new high-yielding varieties ? 7829. SHRI R. S. PANDEY: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PLANNING be pleased to state J MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 207 Written Answers MAY 29,1972 Written Atuw m 208

ANNASAHEB P SHINDE): (a) These THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE rew high yielding varieties of rice are MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY being tried daring the current year * If PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHATTO* proved successful in the trials, there are PADHYAYA) (a) The Director General of likely to become popular with the farmers Health Services while welcoming the and thereby help m substantial increase in members and invitees to the 17th Meeting production of the Central Committee for Food Standards on 1st May, 1972, expressed the (b) Both the varieties have long slender Government's concern on the prevalence grain and their yield potential is close to of food adulteration m the country. that of the existing high yielding coarse varieties tike jaya and IR—8 They are (b) Government are conscious of the medium early in duration and are suitable need to check the menace of food adulte- for areas where the fields do not suffer ration and necessary steps are taken from from water logging or poor drainage. time to time in this direction.

(c) Both the verities have been included (c) According to the information fur* for district trial cum-demonstratton under nished by the State Governments the per* the Minikit Programme During the centage of samples found adulterated is on ensuing khanf season evaluation of the the decline possibilities of these varieties and the degree of acceptance by farmers will be judged (d) The following steps have been taken and commercial production planned ac- to check the menace of food adultera- cordingly during next year. tion —■ (i) The provision ot the Prevention of Food Adulter anon Act have already been tood Adulteration made more stringent and the States asked 7831 SHRI JYOTIRMOY liOSU. to ensure proper enforcement of the Act. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (it) A Central Unit has been set up to TAM1LY PLANNING be pleaded to check the menace of food adulteration state: along with the State Health Authorities (a) whether while inaugurating a two* concerned. The Unit is mainly concerned day conference ot the Central and State with the functions prescribed m Rule 9 of Health experts, the Director-General of the Prevention of Food Adulteration Health Services said in New Delhi on the Rules in respect of Inter-State offences and 1st May, 19/2 that the evil of food helps in giving technical guidance to State adulteration has assumed such large pro* Governments. portions that 'We are on the top of a (in) A new Food Research and Stand* volcano and it will burst one day', ardisation Laboratory is being established (b) if so, Government’s reaction there in Ghaziabad. to, (iv) The training of Food Analysts has (c) the nature of increase in the evil of been started at the Central Food Labora* food adulteration in India during the last tory, Calcutta The Food Inspectors are 3 years; being trained at the Directorate of Health Services in the respective States. (d) the steps taken by Government to eliminate this evil, and (e)The percentage of samples found adulterated during the last 5 years has (e)the outcome of the steps taken so shown a decline from 31.1% (1965) to far *> 20.7% (1970) 209 W r p m Answers JYAISTHA 8,1884 (SAKA) Written Answers 210

Outlay Earmarked for Rural Water Non-availability of Persons with Master Supply Mariners' Certificate for Hooghly Pilot Service and Revision 7832. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- of Scale of Pay for Pilots THAM: SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 7833. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: VERMA: Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING bo pleased to (a) whether the Calcutta Port is facing great difficulties in obtaining persons with state : Master Mariners’ Certificate for its Hooghly Pilot Service; (a) the total outlay earmarked for rural water supply in the Fourth Five Year (b) whether 30 vacancies in the Pilots* Plan; cadre are lying unfilled for want of res- ponse to advertisements; (b) the amount of the total outlay for rural water supply scheme for Fourth (c) whether the main reason for shor- Plan spent in the f irs t three years of the tage of personnel is the much higher plan; salaries paid by Indian and foreign Ship- ing companies; and (c) the number of villages provided with safe, drinkable water in the first (d) if so and in view of the inescapable three years of the Plan, State*wise ; and need for skilled pilots to navigate vessels in the Hooghly river, whether Govern- (d) the number of more villages to be ment have considered revising the pay provided with drinking water in the scales for pilots holding Master Mariners’ remaining two years of the Plan State- Certificates in order to attract qualified wise? persons ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND PLANNING (PROF. D. P. CHA1TO- TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : PADHYAYA) : (a) Rs. 123.52 crores. (a) It is true that Calcutta Port Commis- (b) Information about the expenditure sioners have been experiencing difficulties as reported by the States/Union Territo- in obtaining persons with Master Mariners* ries is given below (Foreign Going) Certificate for their Pilot Service. Year Expenditure (Ra. in crores) (b) Out of the total cadre strength of 113, including administrative posts, the 1969-70 18.27 present actual strength is 71. However, 1970-71 18.20 on the basis of the present traffic, the Port Commissioners’ actual requirement 1971-72 16.48 is 80 Pilots, and the real deficiency is only Total: 52.95 9 and four of these are likely to be filled up shortly.

(c)and (d) Information is being col- (c) It is true that because of higher lected and will bo laid on the Table of the salaries and better terms of service offered Sabha. to Master Mariners by the Shipping com- 211 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers pames both Indian and foreign, they are mcludmg four by tire Shippi ig Corpora- reluctant to join the Calcutta Pilot Service tion of India,

(d) Theie is no proposal under const (b) and (c) Out of seven large sized deration at present to revise the pay tankers one tanker is employed tn India's scaiea of Pilots in the Port of Calcutta overseas trade and the remaining six are Howe\er, suitable administrative measures employed in international cross trade It are taken to meet the deficiency whenever is true that two large sired tinkers of over necessary It has also been decided to 80,000 dwt. each were acquired specifi- consider persons with First Mate and cally to meet the requirement* of Madras Second Mate (Foreign Goins') Certificates Oil Refinery, these could not be uffed at for lecruitment to the Calcutta Pilot Indian Ports because ot dJay m construc- Servicc ard to give them adequate training tion in oil dock at Madras. as was the practice prior to reorganisation of the Marine Services of Calcutta in 1964— (d) The following projects for provid- 65 In fact, out of the present strength of ing berthing facilities for large sized oil 71 officers in the Pilot Seivicc, only about tankers are in hand . — 20 are Master Mariners (1) Madras An Oil Dock forming part of the Madras Outer Harbour Project with 42 feet draft is expec- Acquisition of Large Si/ed Tankers by ted to be commissioned m mid- Indian Shipping Corporation aud January, 1973 Utilization ot these tankers (2) Codun An Oil Dock capable of 7*34 SHRJ INORAJIT G U P H handling\essels of 40 feet draft is Will the Minister ot SHIPPING AND proposed to be constructed TRANSPORT be pleased to state . (3) Haidia As part of the Haldia project, an oil jetty has already (a) the number of large size 1 tankets been commissioned since August, acquncd so far by the Indian Shipping 1968 1 he draft now available is Companies including the Shipping Corpo- 30 fe«t The draft is expected to ration of India, inut*se progressively to 15 feet in (b) whether these tankers cannot be 1975 and 40 iect in 1980 piofitably utilised because of shortage and madequancy of berthing facilities at Indian Ports, tffa * fa n * * h * i f s w snftTTT iro w r e w s pt t * (c) if so, whether this situation was adequately visualised at the time of pui- cha&ing big tankers, and 7835 n o qfoflr: w r JTf «rerr% f t t ^ (d) the projects in hand at various ports 1 or providing berthing accommoda- tion of the neqeisay dimensions ? («p) vtt vt M in * frftr THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 3c«rr?T % *r irrft Ptttc «tt$ TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) (cr) afar faarsft (a) Seven Large sized tankers (of 33,000 5* ft sw am sirrer | a«rr «T*fV^y to 87,700 dwt each) have so far been acquired by Indian Shipping Companies, 5W4 r st mrwrr $; ite 213 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (S AKi ) Written Answers 214

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5n«rfu? ^rf«q- %?sr % 7837. DR. LAXMINARAIN fsrsqrtwqr f«nr ?stottr- PANDEYA: sn«rF*re « r w t %f*rt % SHRI DINBSH JOARDER : «ftr r t c ycr Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE *re?TT-*m> s s r i rite be pleased to state : % S'PFW 't aft (a) the genera] service conditions of awwr i vvn Village Level Workers and Gramsevikas id different States of the country * 3. * t srrc?r MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. sF^srr i SHER SINGH) • (a) (b). A statement is laid on the Table of the Ho us? indicating the service conditions ot Village Level Workers in srfa p r ?r*i35ft jft jftw r i U States about which information is available. [Placed m Library See No. 7. firfrr forf*c i LT—3089/1972 The Village Level Workers and Gramsevikas are State Government 8. ?rro sw f I employees Their service conditions naturally vary from State to Stats, as ** ifapVTtft ^TT VI s f r in the case of other Slate Government employees and cannot be uniform. fafast *r«nwmf ir $ m t* t * f*rfa- «rr irk «T*wr

This is followed by refresher training (a) the estimated loss to the standinft course# of 2 months to improve their crop due to untimely recent hailstorm professional competence. While specialised and rains State-wise; training of one year for implemetation of high yielding varieties programme is (b) the percentage of crop yield given to the Village Level Workers; expected more than in the previous selected and mesitorious among them are also given opportunity for higher training year; and leading to B. Sc. (Agriculture) degree. (c) the prices being fixed for Govern- (d) Yes, Sir. ment purchases of foodgrains and the steps being taken to reduce the middle- Amendment to Delhi Education Code man’s profits ? 7838. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE state : (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) In the current rabi season of (a) whether Article 318 of Delhi 1971-72, available weather reports indicate Education Code, 1965 has since been that there was some slight damage to amended; crops on account of untimely hailstotm or (b) if so, the objective of the amend- rains, but it was of a localised nature and ment; and as such, there is, for the present, no cause for anxiety. (c) whether a copy of the amended article together with the code (if possible) (b) Firm estimates of crop yields for the will be laid on the Table of the House ? current year 1971-72 are likely to become THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE available after the close of agricultural MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND year, i e., some time in July*August SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE 1972. Howevet, on the basis of the DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI qualitative information on weather and D. P. YADAV) : (a) Yes. Sir. crop situation, production of wheat and othci rabi crops in the country as a (b) To regulate and rationalise admissions in schools. whole is likely to be higher during the current year than in the previous (c) A copy of the original Article year. 318 of the Delhi Education Code, 1965, along with the Amendment, issued by (c) A statement showing the procure- the Delhi Administration (Education ment prices of foodgrains at which Deptt.) to this Article is laid on the Table purchases are made is given below. of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT*3090/72). Procurement is done mainly through the agency of the F. C. I , State Government and the cooperatives. While appointing Damage to Crop due to agents preference is given to the Hailstorm and Rains cooperatives. Besides the Food Corpora* 7839, SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : tion is also purchasing foodgrains from the Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE farmers at their direct purchase be pleased to state: points. 219 Written Answers MAY 29,1972 Written Answers 220

St a t e m e n t («) sw writ $ ufefwr The procurement prices offoodgraius *rar* tirti & fa?nr *rfcr* t f * w sirccf | h t ; i f a S. No. Commodity Procurement price (Rs. per quintal) (*r) tri^nrFiV T srf?r tfnft P5T *tft ifaHFT fiwpft WW?f %', 1. Wheat (i) Indigenous 76 00 common trcntta *JTq ?ran f f tt white and Mexican qfrsrjPTinrt (#ft x v k i^ t): (v) 3 varieties. fr«r«n:, 1971 % f*nra

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6. Maize -do- 55 00* Opposition to Freight increase by Foreign Shippers 7. Ragi -do- 55 00* 7841. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- PORT be pleased to state: fiWR «TT7T ^?TTf *rf w fafo ra q w s f s sm ?n?r (a) whether East India shippers Asso- ciation (E, I. S. A ) has objected to the s w r TTO** freight increase suggested by certain foreign shippers unilaterally thus affecting our 7840. «ftsn*ta*T m i * « n w : shipping industry; w t *r*t s a f t (b) whether the Shipping Corporation ^ f a : of India is supporting the foreign Shippers in their demand of freight increase; (v) %*ir srm fassft qfw$?r *> and fWHJF ^ ftftQC 9TT% % 3*RTrfl (c) if so, whether Government have % 30 1972 &*F f*RT*ft n ftfftw gone into the matter and the conclusion i?w$fr i* s rrf »rf; reached ? •For Central pool purchases. 221 Written Answers JYAISTHA 8,1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 222

THE MINtSrBR OF PARLIAMEN- Cochin, as Fishing Sccondhands & Engine TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND Drivers. Candidates are sponsored by TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): the Central and State Governments as (a) Yes, Sir. well as by the private industry. Io Addi- tion there are private unsponsored candi- (b) Shipping Conferences of which the dates. Facilities for qualifying sea time, the Shipping Corporation of India is a after comeletion of institutional training, member, have sought to justify their have generally been limited to the require- demand for freight increase on the ground ments of candidates sponsored by the that they are incurring additional costs of Central Government. Other candidates operation. The Shipping Corporation of have had difficulty in securing berths on India has, however, been urging reduction vessels of adequate tonnage/horse power in the quantum of increase. for putting in the required qualifying sea- service. (c) Protests are lodged with the Confe- rences intending increase in freight rates (b) The situation was reviewed in 1971. and they are asked to furnish detailed The number of vessels of adequate tonnage/ data justifying the propsed freight increa- horse power introduced by State Govern- ses and discuss the matter with the Ship- ments and the private industry falls pers and Government before the freight considerably short of anticipations. The increases are finally enforced. situation is proposed to be met by short* terms as well as long.term measures. So far as the short-term measures are conce- Facilities for Apprenticeship to trainees rned, it is proposed to earmark some of of Central Institute of Fisheries the deckhands posts in newly introduced Operatives, Cochin vessels and vessels expected to be intro- duced shortly by the Central Government 7842. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI ; Will for providing qualiffying sea-time to the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Fishing Secondhand candidates. In regard pleased to state: io the requirements of berths for Engine Drivers, a scheme for creation of 20 posts (a) whether adequate facilities do not of Engineroom Assistants on various exist for providing Apprenticeship to the Government of India vessels is under trainees passing out of the Central Institute consideration. Concerning long-term of Fisheries Operatives, Cochin; measures, Govt, have appointed a Com- (b) if so. the steps Government propose mittee to evaluate the working of the to take to give adequate facilities for them; institute with reference to facilities available and percentage of candidates who, after and completing the institutional training, actu- (c) whether Government propose to ally obtained Mercantile Marine Depart* consider the question of making a statu- raent’s tickets, and to suggest measures tory provision to require private vessel for improving the working of the Insti- owners to provide berths for these tute. The report of the Committee is trainees ? awaited. The long-term measures to be taken will be considered with reference to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the recommendations of the Committee, MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) (c) There are very few off-shore and Apprenticeship (qualifying sea-time) faci- deep sea fishing vessels being introduced lities ars required in the case of candidates in the private sector at present. In the completing institutional „ training in the ordinary course operators of such vessels Central Institute of Fishsries Operative, would prefer trained hands. The situation 223 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 224 will be reviewed for suitable action as and ( ^ ) . w m r , when more vessels ate introduced. v x t & m , cfto , « R m r, tftqrm, nVosgr, gsrrer, Financial Assistance for Welfare of afar**, *w?T3gfcrj*, %xs, Non-Student Youth in Tamil Nadu ^T^*TT5T#Tfw t f w r j ip rrijr, 33r

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(a) whether hts attention has been drawn fa*ft W* 3 >jfaw a% fo fosr (b) A fuller report on the discussions qft ^f*r ir w fs w ir fa * gqsr held has been called for and the matter will fa?»T qft q»*ra qft if tr % be looked into. TOTH fl'Tr TOfltf SgraOT «ftl*TT *l>PT?f?8Rr «PT% f*ij?TT ^ a « m f fair *i?r ?nrcft tim *rfa»P?ra stto « s w r anJr, %i\x

(m) *f* |t, m ^r forr ir wr 7852. «ft %mk* sran w*if: w r jswwt# w r *ftt?3J (^ ) w r % ^«r «pt *r? I? srit?r f$ ^ % fir^R t r w if

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Study on ill cffects of Hexachlorophene (»r) w t f?i awrwr ir fei «rfa?rcf «T^?r *ft t o t | ? 7854 SHRI SUfCHDEO PRASAD VERMA: Will the Minister of HEALTH f tf f U?«WW S TTW («ft AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : «rnjiwTf^ ftf TI^T HT^TT % studied the ill-efTccts on hum in body of the use nf hexachlorophone; ?f|Tt«T f ^ T TOT | f^T % fasfrT % v v $ i (b) if so, their findings;

(c) the articles of human use in which (m ) (*r). m ? ?R^IT ^ hexachlorophcne is used; and *R TOTT

(a) whetl er Government have collected (c) Hexaclorophene is being used in the information about surplus land available talcum powders tooth pasts, hair shampoos, after the proposed legislation on land soaps and deodorants and as an antiseptic ceiling is enected by State Legislatures; in lotions and ointments.

(b) whether Government have down (d) This Ministry has not received any up a scheme for the allotment of surplus information regarding the imposition of a land; and total ban on the use of hexachlorophcne in any country. It is understood, however (c) if so, the salient features thereof ? that the authorities concerned in the U.S.A. and the U. K. have for the present, taken TUB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE certain actions to regulate the use of MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI hexachlorophene in medicinal and cosme- ANNASAHEB P- SHINDE): (a) to (c). tic preparations. 231 Written Answers MAY 29, 1972 Written Answers 232

(swf srtsr) fora (a) when the rural programme for the favm ** torf ofon chronically drought-affected area* in the country was initialed and the amount of % t o fire* fa & wfwrcn money granted for the scheme State-wise; 7855. *ft Jfcw rw f : *r° Hwtannnrr r ** ton: 8RT Tfr chironically drought affected areas was I ; r t x started in 1970-71 outside the five year plan. The S latc-wise outlays sanctioned (*r) «rfr $r, fa*r-fa*T far^rt and the expenditure incurred under the v t k «t t *rar*sr?«ft g rr wftxr w r § ? programme during 1970 71 and 1971-72 area shown ia the statement laid on the f f a *3TCfpt $ x m «rwft (sft Table of the House. [ Placed m Library. irojroTff* tfto f a t) : (*) ir (n). See No LT -3092/72] It will be seen sr&r % to tr^r Tfaftor, that some States have stepped up the utilisation during the second year. to*r?rgtoTf*i firaroir**»r% w * sfaito fc, fin^ #* % (c) Rural Works Programme has been a&wrr* srcg?r vt »rf | sfa fw # * redesignated as Drought Prone Areas t v % ssr ^ snpeiT^ spy srnBr Programme and included in the Central ^ t o TT^r «pr t o r i srr^r sr*rfcr Plan from 1972-73. *pt srertar 1 i Tmr qrorrc s w forc *rf * *r?9^T fwrsrr (d) The programme aims at mitigating s f a r t o 1 1 the severity of scarcity conditions in 54 chronically drought affected districts of Central Grant for Rural Programme the country by organising productive and for Chronically Drought Areas labour intensive works like medium/minor irrigation, soil conservation, afforestation, 7856. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD pasture development and roads. These VERMA : works will also generate employment to SHRI RANABAIIADUR the local labour. Each selected district is SINGH : expected to get an outlay of nearly Rs. 2 Will tbe Minister of AGRICULTURE crores over the 4-year programme period be pleased to state : from 1970-71 to 1972.74. 233 W ritten Answers JYA1SATHA 8,1894 (SAKA) Written Answer t 234

ftMfrnflU I. | *rrlCUCI----*«-- kkl0/ AFyRKfCul * - —* Investigation Divisions, one Division with (Health Win*) 3 Sub-Divisions has been functioning in Kerala since July, 1963. Under this 7857. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA . Will Scheme, 100 per cent Central assistance the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY is given to the states to help them in PLANNING he pleased to state : indentifying and investigating the problem of water supply in difficult and scarcity (a) whether some architects in the areas, including collection ol relevant, Health Wiog of his Ministry are doing data, etc private practice under benami names; and (c) tbe expenditure incut red on this (b) if so, the machinery devised to Division from its inception upto March, check this ? 1972 is Rs. 19.01 lakhs. The Division has so far surveyed 519 villages out of a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TH1 total of 1574 villages in the State. MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING (PROF. D. P (d) The Special Investigation Divisions CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No such are intended to make preliminary surveys complaint has been received and assessment of the problem of water (b) Does not arise supply in difficult and scarcity areas and are not meant either for the preparation of detailed plans and estimates or for the Centrally Sponsored Schemc in Kerala execution of water supply schemes. However, to supplement the scheme of 7858. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI Special Investigation Divisions, another THANKAPPAN Will the Minister of scheme has been recently started under HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING which Special Planning and Design Cells be picked to itatc ■ have been sanctioned to tbe States with (a) whether any scheme has been 100 per cent Central assistance. These initiated in the State of Kerala under Cells will prepare detailed plans and the scheme of special Investigations estimates for rural water supply scheme. DiviMons, where 100 per cent Central Under this scheme, one Division with assistance is given to the States , two Sub-Divisions was sanctioned to the State of Kerala m December, 1971. The (b) if so, the number of such schemes progress so far made by this new Division and the places in Kerala where these is not known have been initiated by now,

(c) the amout spent and result achieved % fa srh j STURT ITO so far in the Central and the Centrally % *T% Sf sponsored schemes tn Kerala; and w w u (d) whether the Kerala Government has. detailed plans and estimates for 7859. «fQT ft?* ftff *TW- difficult and scarcity area< by now and w r w erm ** l i f t if so, the main features thereof? m ^ fa THE MINISTER OF ST A I t IN THL MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (v) *m | ? (b) whether the work will be completed in the Fourth Five Year Plan, and f&PTfajr W*T WT3TTfT IfWrRW ^ (c) whether the State Government have TTW («ft w f o * o fprTTW) lull know how to do the work1* ( * ) # , &T I TI«^JT W R THE MINISTBR OF PARLIA- *r*re*i % sftes M ct s r t w*FT*rt MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING < m *t fSrsft w & 5T»rrf n t % v t AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ eroT «t aft % irw?nwr BAHADUR): (a) to (c) I here is a scheme lor dredging the sand bars near the «T$g*ft % * «rr¥% % mouths of the Narmada and theTapti. H TT«ftn ST^flT For this purpose, the Central Government has approved the purchase ot the dredging % UT««W * tr* % **9*^ equipment by the Government oi Gujarat •ft sroforc fain $, ** swota %

¥1 # v^irr I THEDfaPUTY MINISTBR IN THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND («i) «rf, 1972 % *nft SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THB Trwft it f?P fWT WTTWT $ «PTT | I DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D P YADAV): In the statement of «rf*t q*fa?r * t % % «wp«r ^ ^Ntor literacy percentage attached to reply of vnf *f?t 'jtt ?ft% 5f innw i f part (b) of the Unstarred Question No ¥f^*rr i *fffd % «rc Ttft 2304 asked by Shn Jyotirmoy Botu in Lok Sabha on 10-4-1972. the existing figures »rf Jr W t f i [w * w w * T ift under cols. 11, 12 and 13 may be read as «nft tfol* ITWT LT— 3093/72] under against Assam and Meghalaya 237 JYAISTHA 8,1894 (SAKA) 238

Name of (he State For existing figures Reid the following figures under cols. under cols. 11 12 13 11 12 13

Assam 39.71 17.11 29.19 37.75 15.67 27.47 Meghalaya 21.44 15.36 18.47 30.71 20.45 25.71

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« ( W w f t * %, «FqiT * $ I SHRI P1UK) MODY (Oodhra): Str, 1 * 3 *nrTTf*fm % fm v * have a submission to make I wrote to w w r j t $ fa w fr 5«rr€V w r * you this morning saying that a matter of very great public importance, namely, the w« t t o t ^Stnr i signing of the historic Accord between President Nixon and the Communist WWW q$r*«r: Tf% gift Party First Secretary Mr. Brezhnev has ' nTqpr w xn $5t i been taking place and the Indian Parliament is taking no cognizance of the Accord at *11. Therefore, 1 had urged upon you in my «ft w«w *T*rWt: m m? iettcr that a debate should be permitted on 5T r w * r m t i t $ « *f«R the subject. 1 cannot understand why you 239 WAV 29, 1972 240 arc sot m favour of having a discussion on matter exercising tbe mind of the peopje of something which it having such earth- West Bengal. . . shattering repercussion*. MR SPEAKER: I have no notice of it. MR. SPEAKER : You give a chance to Mr. Nixon to m u m to hk country. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I had written to you alao on the reported state- SHRI PllO O MODY : I will give a ment made by the Minister of Foreign chance to Mr. Nixon to return to his Trade, Shri L. N. Mishra, in Patna. When country and I wtil also give you an oppor- the House is in session, he declared a tunity of going back to the Punjab when floor price of jute in Patna before a press the House will not be insession and we will conference. not have the opportunity of discussing this matter for another two months by which MR. SPEAKER : Please don’t get up time Mr. Nixon may have again gone to abruptly like this. Moscow and you will stop me again. I would request you, Sir. to consider this SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have matter from that point of view also. On a written to you. matter like this, the Indian Parliament should take note of it. MR. SPEAKER 1 have not conveyed to you anything about it. MR. SPEAKER : I am not in a picture. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOBU ; With 1 have no objection. Let Government and your permission, Sir, rule 377 gives that yourself discuss anything. much freedom.

SHRI PI LOO MODY ■ Are you sug- MR. SPEAKER : Poor rule 377; I pity gesting that we move the Government it * There is so much exploitation of it 1 privately in a matter like this ? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Very MR. SPEAKER . You have moved me little, in fact. by submission but not by any motion Sir, in the past, you have been good SHRI PILOO MODY : Everything enough to tell the Government that when does not require a motion. We have to tbe Parliament is in session, the Minister discuss certain things. What is this should not make a policy statement motion, motion, I do not understand. I outside. They must make a policy state* just wanted a particular topic to be discus- ment on the floor of the House first. This sed. 1 am just asking you to use your good is a very serious matter. This is about the offices to inform tbe Government that this floor price of jute that the Minister of is an important matter and that they Foreign Trade declared In Patna. The should allot some time for discussing it. Minister should be asked to make a proper statement on the floor of the Howe MR. SPEAKER : No time just on a before he makes a statement outside. submission. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore): SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSTJ (Dia- Sir, since the session is about to conclude mond Harbour): Sir, 1 had written to in a couple of days, I would request you— you on two things, one about the because the answers which have been given Farakka Barrage will be able to give to by the Minister of Irrigation and Bower river HooghJy. This is a very serious in this House sometime back regarding tbe 241 JYAISTHA 8,1894 (SAKA) 242

Farakka Barrage are completely at 12.88 b n . variance to what he is reported to have >aid outside, and this hat led to a contro- PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE versy— tp ask the Minister to make a statement on his owft as to whether the supply of water, upto 40,000 cusecs of PAPBR.S un d er Co m pa n ie s AoT, 1956 water, to Calcutta port is going to be ensured or not. THE MINI8TBR OF PARLIAMEN- TARY AFFAIRS. AND SHIPPING AND SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : This is TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR); causing serious anxiety in the minds of the I beg to lay on the Table— people of West Bengal. (1) A copy each of the following MR. SPEAKER : It will be conveyed papers (Hindi and English versions) to him. He is not here today. Otherwise, under sub-section (1) of section I could ask him. 619A of the Companies Act, 1956 :— SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): The issue is agitating the minds of the people (i) (a) Review by the Govern- of West Bengal. It is going to seriously ment on tbe working of affect the Calcutta port. Sir, what is your the Mogul Line Limited, suggestion ? What do you propose to do? Bombay, for the year We are going away after two days. ended 31st December. 1970.

MR. SPEAKLR :«I will inform him to (b) Annual Report of the come out with some statement. Mogul Line Limited, Bombay, for the year SHRI S. M BANERJEE (Kanpur) : ended the 31st December, Sir, the Minister of Home Affairs should 1970 along with the Audi- make a statement about a news item ted Accounts and the which appeared in Patriot that a Harijan comments of the Comp- woman was raped . , . troller and Auditor Gene- ral thereon. [Placed in MR. SPEAKER : 1 have no notice of Library. See No. LT-307I/ it. 721. _ SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I wrote to (ii) (a) Review by the Government you about it. on the working of the MR. SPEAKER : 1 have not got it. Central Inland Water Let me see it first. Then, I will look into Transport Corporation it Limited, Calcutta for the year 1970-71. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : On Friday last, 1 read the news and I sent you a letter (b) Annual Report of the on Friday itself. Central Inland Water Transport Corporation MR. SPEAKER : Let me see it first. 1 Limited, Calcutta for the did not ask you to get up today. No year 1970*71 along with fdewto. Papers to be laid. the Audited Aocounts and the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor 243 Papers L out MAY 29, 1972 Papers Laid 244

[Shri Raj Bahadur) St a t e m b h i c o r r e c t in g An »w b r to General thereon [Placid Un s t a r r e d Qvmtx on IU Library Set No L I— THfc MINISTER OF STATE IN T*fi 3072/721 MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (SHRI I K GUJRAL). I beg to lay on the Table a statement (2) A copy of the Annual Accounts correcting the reply given on the 1st May, (Hindi and English versions) of the 1972 to Unstarred Question No 4447 by Commissioners for the Port of Cal- Shn Shashi Bhushan regarding ex Mem cutta, for the year 1969-70 and the bers of Parliament in possession of Gover- Audit Report thereon [Placed in nment accommodation and giving reason* Library See No LT—3073/72] for the delay in correcting the reply

STATLMENT In reply to ‘Unstarred Question’ No 4447 answered on il e 1st May, 1972 in the Appendix *A\ the following was stated against SI No 10

Name Particulars <>f Amount due up to accommodation 31.3 72 10 Dr Salig Ram 120 North Avenue Rs 19107 Servant Quarter No 123, North Avenue Garage 101, — do - The correct position in respect of SI No. 10, will be as under Name Particulars of Amount due up to accommodation 31 3 72 10 Dr Salig Ram Servant Qr. 123. Rs 191 07 North Avenue Garage No 101 North Avenue The mistake could not be corrected within seven days as it was detected late The inconvenience caused to the House is regretted

N ot ifioaiiojhs u n d b r E s s b n i i a l (2) The Fertilizer (Control) Second CoMKODrrxas Act, 1955 Amendment Order, 1972, published in Notification No G S R 240 THfc MINISTER O r STATfc IN THE (B) in Gazette of India dated the MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE 6th April, 1972 (SHRI ANNASAHEB P SHI NBC) 1 beg to lay on the Table a copy each of the [Placed in Library See No LT—3075/ following Notifications (Hindi and English 72] versions) under sub section (6) of section 3 of the Essential Commodities Act, 1955 — Db lh i, Mb bru t a n d Bv l a n d s sa h r MltX a n d Mil k Products Co nt rol (I) The Fertilizer (Control) First Or d e r , 1972 Amendment Order, 1972, published in Notification No G S R 215 THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE (E) in Gazette of India dated tbe MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF 30th March, 1972 SHER SINGH) I beg to lay on the 243 Remand o f Member JYAlSTHA 8 1194 (S/4X.4) 246

Table a copy o« the Delhi, Meerut and 12.10 bn. ftutandshahr Milk and Mttk Products Control Order, 1972 (Hindi and English ELECTION TO COMMITTEE versions) published in Notification No. S. O. 342 (E) in Gazette of India dated the O m m it t k b o x t h e W e l f a r e o f 6th May. 1972, under sub-section (6) of S o h f d v l e d C a s t e s a n d Sc h e d - met ion 3 of the Essential Commodities u l e d T r i b e s Act, I'55. [Placedin Library. See No. LT-3076/721 SHRI S. M. SIDDAYYA (Chamara- tanagar) : I beg to move :

“That this House do recommend to An n d a l Rm »o &t o r In d ia n In st it u tb Rajya Sahha that Rajya Sabha do or Te ch nol ogy , Madras »o r 1970-71 elect one Member of'Rajya Sabha in accordance with the system of propor- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE tional representation by means of the MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND single transferable vote to the Commi- SOCIAL WELFARE AND THE DE- ttee on the Welfare of Scheduled PA RTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. Castes and Scheduled Tribes in the P YADAV). I beg to lay on the Table : vacancy caused by the resignation of Shri Golap Barbora from the Commi- (1) A copy of the Annual Report of ttee and do communicate to this house the Indian Institute of Technology, the name of the Member so elected by Madras, for the year 1970-71. Rajya Sabha to the Committee." MR. SPEAKER : Ihe question is : (2) A statement (Hindi and English versions) explaining the reasons for “That this House do recommend not laving the Hindi version of the to Rajya Sabha that Rajya Sabba do above Report simultaneously. elect one Member of Rajya Sabha in accordance with the system of propor- I Placed w Library See No LT-3077/ tional representation by means of the 72J. single transferable vote to the Commi- ttee on the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in the vacancy caused by the resignation of Shri Golap' Barbora from the REMAND Of* MLMBER Committee and do communicate to this House the name of the Member MR SPEAKER : I have to inform the so elected by Rajya Sabba to the House that I have received the following Committee *’ telegram dated the 26th May, 1972, from the Sub-Magistrate, Trivandrum: The motion wat adopted.

•‘Shri A, K Gopalan, Member, Lok Sabha arrested in Trivandrum 12 U hrs. under Sections 47, S8(2) and 52 of Act 5 of 1961 and produced in court. GENERAL INSURANCE BUSINESS Remanded to Central Jail, Trivan- (NATIONALISATION) BILL* drum till 5th June." THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): •Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary. Part II, section 2, dated 29*5-72. 347 mu* Introduc'd MAY 29, 1972 BiUi Introduced 24B

[Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan] SHRI S M BANBRJEE If you h*w I beg to move for leave to introduce a four cor potations, it wiU suit only the Bill to provide for the acquisition aod Chairmen and the Managing Directors transfer of shares of Indian insurance and it is not going to suit either the emplo- companies and undertakings of other yees or the policy-holders In the existing insurers in order to serve better larger interests of the policy-holders and the needs of the economy by securing the the employees, it is necessary that we development oi genera) insurance business should have only one Corporation One in the best interests of the community Corporation has succeeded in U C and to ensure that the operation of the When it has succeeded in LIC, why not economic system does not result in tbe we have the same pattern here also ? concentration of wealth to the common detriment, for the regulation and control SHRI DTNEN BHATTACHARYYA of such business and for matters connected (Serampcre) Already thousands of therewith or incidental thereto employees stake their demand on this pou t Mr Banerjee has raised I fully SHRI S M BANFRJEE (Kanpur) support Mr Banerjee that if we have Sir, I wish to oppose this Bill at the intro- four Corporations, the interests of the duction stage employees will be hampered An agitation is going on Already there has MR SPEAKER I don t think you been one threat to strike This will only did not get a copy of the Bill It was aggravate the situation If the duly circulated Government insists then the Government should come forward with the amend- SHRI S M BANERJEF Yes, it ments desired by the employees I humbly was circulated But it was not in the request the Minister not to introduce order paper the Bill in the present form MR SPEAKER It is not very essential that it should be in the Order SHRI YLSHWANTRAO CHAVAN Papei The hon Members are trying to discuss the Bill on merits I am just SHRI S M BANERJEE Not be introducing the Bill My proposal is to take cause of that 1 am opposing but because the Bill to the Select Committee and all of other things Sir, a Bill taking over these matters can be considered and dis the General Insurance is being introduced cussed there I welcome the Bill My objection is that there should not be four Corporations as According to my own personal view and envisaged in the Bill. Our objection is the Government's view also as it is reflected that in this Bill there are four corpora in the Bill, it will have four Corporations tions instead of one I would request the becausc we would like to have four corpo- hon Minister that if he wants to send it to rations m different parts of the country so tbe Select Committee, let him send it but that there may be an element of competition before sending it, he should reconsider by doing good work also this mattei and allay the fears in the minds of the exoplcyecs Hat having (our Cor SHRI PILOO MODY Good idea porations will do much harm Our demand is that there should be only one SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN Corporation I hope this point wul be If it is only one Corporation and concen- kept in mind trated in one area, it wiii have operations in one area alone Our idea is to have the SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) Corporation in four corners of the Monopolist country a n B ttto StfttwW JYAISTHA *» tt*4 <$AKA) 250

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE j Von tew AUOARH MUSLIM UNIVERSITY Regional Offices, Zonal Offices and District (AMENDMENT) BILL* Offices. THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WBLFARB AND CUL- w a r * * $ * 7 : * 9 f o r TURE (PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) < I V* #f^lT I HHW fB| beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill sfor wmtoft (nrrfim) : M R. SPEAKER The question is : «r«rer irtftar, sft fa&re sft* “That leave be granted to intro- % tar tour $ $ ^spft frtttr duce a Bill to provide for the acquisi- ‘‘[i % fa * s ? t p r r % i ^ ftfNr tion and transfer of shares of Indian — J m ar 5* insurance companies and under- takings of other existing insurers S3TT3RT % I 8TTT 3fT^ f a * in order to berve better the needs of 19 (it) % sij^ rR , ff 33T?r mvn the economy by securing the deve- lopment of general insurance m^err (: business in the best interests of tbe community and to ensure that the A Minister desiring to move for leave to introduce a Bill sjhal) «ive notice in operation of the economic system does not result in the concentration writing of his tntention to do so. The period of notice of a motion for leave to of wealth to the common detriment, introduce a Bill under this Direction shall for the regulation and control of be seven days. such business and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto.” | fv w fro* * t

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: w m w «rf«^ * t Sir, I introduce! the Bill. n ew ^ ftwrrfc :

t Introduced with the recommendation of the President. •Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II, Section 2, dated 20-5-72. 251 B ttli Introduced MAY 29, 1972 Bills Inttadaetd M2

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SHIU SAMAR GUHA (CQottl) : 1 the vaUaat fighters who had givan their ogtpQtt the Bill on grounds of principle lives for the liberation of Bangla Desh to became it it opposed to the concept of defend and to protect nationalism and to nationalism, the concept of secularism and ffeht the eostraime? concept of twttondfsm aJsetftthaeom ept of democratic ideate of or tbe two nation theory. After Bangla education. I am opposed to the concept Desh had started a new process and a new of communal tear continuing by the use concept and a new nationalism, I should of word tn the case of Banaras have thought that this Government would Hindu Uoivnyity and the word ‘Muslim’ have had the courage to take drastic in the case of Aligarh Muslim University measures We have suffeied for the last If the Aligarh Musitm University and the 25 years from this communal theory or Banaras Hindu University were converted the two-nation theory and therefore, even iato theological institutes to study Islam if a thousand students stage a demonstra- or Hindu theology, I would have no tion, yet in the interests of the future, objectijo, but they have the same courses the Government should have had the of education like humanities, sciences, courage to take drastic steps to erase engineering and medic&i sciences completely this communal stigma or scar «s are taught in other universities from all the educational Institutions I cannot understand how my hon fnendtwho call themselves progressives I oppose not only the introduction allow continuance of this communal of the Bill, but I would oppose it stage by concept. I want to ask the progressives stage, clause by clause and 1 shall exhaust to keep their hands on their chest and to the last all possible avenu »s that i have say what is it that it behind this It for opposing this Bill This Bill should should be a broader concept and not the not be passed It is not only a stigma concept that we are hearing of communal but u is a communal scar, the wwrd bias in education But they have brought Muslim should not be used tn Aligarh K forward with an eye on votes, sacrificing Muslim University and the word 'Hindu’ the ideals, human values and democratic should not be used in Banaras Hindu values but having only the parochial University, and these communal names outlook of having vote* from t*it» «9„tor should not be allowed to continue any or that sector, they have brought this more forward SHRI O. VISWANATHAN (Wandi- 1 would say that if we allow the Hindu wash) My opposition to the Aligarh character of the Banaras Hindu University Muslim University (Amendment) Bill to continue and the Muslim character of relates more to the procedure than to the the Aligarh Muslim University to continue, contents U will mean that we are allowing the continuation of two bed* for the culture This Bill was circulated this morning, of the virus Of communihsm For the and Government want to rush through last 25 years and oven before that, we this Bill and pass it in one or two da$s know what had happened in this country This is a very important BUI with far- and what kind of movements had reaching implications, and it is going to emanated from Aligarh and also from affect the whole structure of the university Batons. If we do not draw the lesson of According to the memorandum submitted not only the pre-Partition days but also by the hon. Minister under Direction 108 the last 25 years,! do not know what will of the Directions by the Speaker, happen to the country "The legislative proposals were I would say that this Bill is a repudia- accordingly framed and discussed at tion of the martyrdom of the billions of length with the authorities and the 257 MHU M n A m d JYAISTHA«. 1*M (SAM) BUI. iS $

Individ wis concerned. The discussion is a voluminous Bill that has come to look * considerable time, as the us. We hope the aspirations She mlaori- entire Act and statutes of the ties must have been embodied In the BUI, university had to be revised and with keeping Intact the minority character o f greet efforts it hat been possible to the Aligarh Muslim University. For this finalise the Aligarh Muslim University purpose, the method adopted seems to be (Amendment) Bill.* some what intriguing. W hatl want is, provided the Minister agrees, that the The hon. Minister and the BIB be referred to the Select Committee, Government took a long time to or let it be introduced today and let the discuss it with the authorities and the discussion be had in the next session. We individuals concerned, but they do not will have no objection. We have no time want to give the same length of time to to study it' now. We want to have time. Parliament, but they want to pass it m After ail, it concerns the aspirations and two or three days. If the hon. Minister also the future of the educational develop- agrees to introduce the Bill now but refer nient of the entir Muslim community, it to a Select Committee, we shall be the Aligarh Muslim Unversity being the willing to accept it. Or, if hr is prepared centre of culture and learning. Therefore, to introduce it now but take it up during I hope he will accept the demand that the next session, then also, we shall be this Bill may be introduced today but the prepared to accept it. But if he wants to introduce it now and have it passed in discussion may be held in the next session, or let the Bill be referred to the Select two days, we are totally opposed to it. Committee. Government took seven long years to introduce this Bill. Even the SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhr*): Gajendragadkar report was submitted in Our objection to this Bill is the manner or July, 1971. Government were in deep procedure that is employed. I have Hot slumber for the last nine months but now read the Bill. I cannot argue oa its they want to introduce it and have it merits. Moreover, 1 have not studied it passed within two days, violating direction and have not consulted those who are 19B of your Directions, as if it is a secret vitally interested in it. 1 caunot under* Bill or a Finance Bill. Hence, 1 want to stand why this Governmet has (o go on oppose the Bill at the introduction stage. doing this in this fashion, which creates doubts, suspicions, particularly >n a SHRI EBRAHIM SULAlMAN SA tt matter which is as detfCate as this particular (Kozhikode): My opposition to the intro- Bill. And if anything was d jne to steam- duction of the Aligarh Muslim University roller it through, I would say that 1 think (Amendment) Bill is on different grounds. great harm will be caused not only to the We have been demanding persistently for nation but also to t le party, Parliament the last seven years that the Aligarh and everybody else. Therefore, comi taring Muslim University (Amendment) Bill the tibove procedure which is adopted, let should be introduced as early as possible. us use the time that has been allotted for The last three Education Ministers had this Bill to discuss the historic accord that promised the introduction of the Bill in has been reached in Moscow between Parliament. But I am just opposing to the President Nixon and Mr. Brezhnev, instead way it has been brought forward. I am of rushing through this Bill. opposed to the introduction of this Bill at the fag-end or this session. There are PROF. S. NURUL HASAN: Sir, only two days left. The Bid has been although the preparation pf this Bill took brought forward today. We have to study a very long time and it required a great the Bill. There is no time to study it. It deal of academic consideration, the taped B ills Introduced MAY 29, 1972 BUU Introduced 2*0

[Prof. 5. Nurul HasanJ PROF. S. NURUL HASAN: 1 cannot principles on which this Bril has been force the House, quite obviously. But I brought forward have been stated by me am making a submission to the House oo several occasions in this House and in through you. My submission is that In the other House. This Bill does not deal view of the fact that this particular measure with anything other than what has been is based on the recommendations of an recommended by the Gajendragadkar expert committee which has considered Committee report except a few minor this and all the connected matters for points here and there. The Gajendra- quite some time, and that this report has gadkar Committee report has been placed been before the House also for quite some on the Table of this House and my time, therefore, I do not think any worth- predecessor, Shri Siddhartha Shankar Ray, while purpose would be served by dither bad made a statement in this House that referring it to the Select Committee or the Government has accepted the postponing consideration of tbe Bill until recommendations of the Gajendragadkar the next session. Committee. Therefore, this is a matter which has been before this House and in SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: the knowledge of the Members of this Then it will be only your Party that will House, and tbe Government policy has pass it; other parties would not cooperate been declared in respect of the Central with it. universities. MR. SPEAKER: The question is : I realise that the hon. Members are faced with a certain difficulty, but I would beg of ‘That leave be granted to introduce you to take into consideration the fact that a Bill further to amend the Aligarh an uncertainty is not in the best interests Muslim Unversity Act, 1920.” of tbe university, and therefore, it would be desirable that now that the Bill is before The Lok Sabha divided. this House, leave may kindly be given to introduce it. [Division No. 8 12J9 hrs>J

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS No, no. AYES

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA Achal Singh, Sbri (Begusarai): What about the doubt ✓ Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao that it is being hustled through the House during the current session? We want time Agrawal, Shri Shrikrishna to make a study of it. No time has been Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram allowed for this. Ahmed, Shri F. A. SHRI G. V1SWANATHAN : May 1 Alygesan, Shri O. V. know whether be agrees to refer it to the Ambesh, Shri Select Committee? (Interruptions) Ankhwodu. Shri Maganti SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS rose— Appalanaidu, Shri Awdbesh Chandra Singh, Shri MR. SPEAKER : 1 do not stop him. Amd, Shri Bhagwat Jha He may say anything. Babunath Singh, Shri SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: Babuguna. Shri H. N. You cannot force the House to proooed with tbe discussion of this BUI. Bajpal, Shri Vidya Ohar 261 B lits hiredutxd JYA1STHA *. 1*94 {SAKA) Btlh Introduced

Banerji, shrimati Mukul Gohaiu, Shri C. C. Barua, Sbri Bedabrata Gokhaie, Shri H. R. Basumatari. Shri D. Gopal, Sbri It. Bhagat, Shri B. R. Gotkhindc, Shri Annasaheb Bhagat, Shri H. K. L. Goviad Das, Dr. Bhandare, Shri R. D. Gowda, Shri Pampan Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai Hansda, Shri Subodh Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapaiendu Hari Kishore Singh, Shri Bisht, Shri Narendra Singh Hari Singh, 8hrt Brahmanandji, Shri Swami Hashim, Shri M. M. Chakleshwar Singh, Shri Ishaque. Shri A. K. M. Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsna Jagjiwan Ram. Shn Chandra Gowda. Shri D. B. Jamilurrahman, Shri Md Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V. Chaudhari, Shri Amarsinh Jha, Shri Chiranjib Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra Chavan, Shri D. R. Kadam, Shri J. (>. Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao Kader, Shri S. A. ChelJachemi, Shri A. M. KahandoJc, Shn Z. M. Chhotey Lai, Shri Kailas, Dr. Choudhury, Shri Motnui Haque Kakodkar, Shri Purushottam Daga, Shri M. C. Kakoti, Shri Robin Darhara Singh, Shn Kamak&haiah, Shn D. Das, Shri Dharnidhar Kamala Kumari, Kumari Daschowdhury, Shn B. K Kamala Prasad, Shi i Deo, Shri S. N Singh Kamble. Shn T. D Dhamankar, Shn Kapur, Shn Sat Pal Dhana, Shri Mohan Karan Singh, Dr. JDhuiia, Shn Aoant Prasad Kauf, Shrimati Sheila Dinesh Singh, Shri Kavde, Shn B. R. Dixit, ShriG .C. Kedar Nath Smgh, Shn Doda, Shri Hira Lai Kinder Lai, Shri Dwivedi, Shri Nagnhwar Kisktt, Shri A. K. Engti, Shri Biren Kotoki, Shri Liiadhar Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Krishoan, Shn G. Y. Ganeah, Shri K. R Kumaramangalam, Shri S Mohan Gangadeb, Shri P. Kureel, Shri B. N. Gautam, ShriC, D. Lakkappa, Shri K. Godara, Shn Maoi Ram Lakshmikamhamra*. Shrimati T Go«x>i, Shri Tamn Lakahmfaarayanan. Shri M. R, 263 B}Us Introduced MAY 29, 1*72 Bills l*tr*tucsd

Lambodar Baliyar, Shri Raghu Ratnaiah, Shri K. Laskar, Shri Nihar Raj Bahadur, Shri Lotfai Haque, Shri Rajdeo Singh, Shri Mahajan, Shri Y. S. Ram Dban, Shri Maharaj Smgh, Shri Ram Prakaah, Shri Mahisbi, Dr. Sarojini Ram Sewak, Ch. Majhi. Shri Gajadfaar Ram Surat Prasad, Sbri Majhi. Shri Kumar Ram Swarup, Shri Malavtya, Shn K. D. Rana, Shri M. B. Mallanna, Shri K. Rao, Shrimati B. Radhabai A. MaUikarjun, Shri Rao, Shri Jagannath Mandal, Shri Jagdish Narain Rao, Dr. K. L. Mandal, Shri Yamuna Prasad Rao, Shri Nageswara Marandi, Shri Iswar Rao, Shri P. Ankineedu Parasada Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray Rao, Shri Pattabhi Rama Mishra, Shri Bibhuti Rao, Dr. V. K. R. Varadaraja Mishra, Shri Jagannath Rathia, Shri Umed Singh Mishra, Shri L. N. Raut, Shri Bhola Misra, Shri S. N. Ravi, Shri Vayalar Modi, Sbri Shrikishan Reddi, Shri P. Antony Mohammad Tahir, Shri Reddy, Shri K. Kodanda Rami Muhammad Khuda Buksh, Shri Reddy, Shri M. Ram Copal Murthy, Shri B. S. Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa Negi, Sbri Pratap Singh Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha Oraon, Shri Tuna Reddy, Shri P. V. Pahadia, Shri Jagannath Richhariya, Dr. Govind Das Paiauli, Shri Paripoornanand Roy, Shri Bishwanatb Pandey, Shri Narsignh Narain Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri Pandey, Shri R. S. Sadhu Ram, Shri Pandey, Shri Tarkeshwar Samanta, Shri S. C. Pandit, Shri S. T. bant Bux Singh, Shri Panigrahi, Shri Chintamam Savitrl Shyam, Shrimati Paokai Haokip, Shri Sayeed, Sbri P. M. Parasbar, Prof. Narain Chaod Shafquat Jons, Shri Partap Singh, Shri Shahnawaz Khan. Shri Patil, Shri Anantrao Shambhu Nath, Sbri Patil, Shri E. V. Vikbe Shankar Dayal Singh, Shri PatH, Shri S. B. ShaakmmiidL Shri ft QmoshJ, Shri Mohd. Staft t&arma, Shri A. t Raddakrisbnan, Sbri t . ^haixQa# Dr* BL 2«5 BilU Imrodmed JYAISTHA S. 1894 (5 ^ 4 ) BUUImfduc*d Mt

SJwma, Slui Madhoram Yadav, Shri Karan Singh Sharma, Shri Nawal KJshore Yadav, Shri R. P. Sharma, Shri % N. Yadava, Shri D. P. Sharma, Dr. Shankar Dayal Zulfiquar All Khan, Shri Shaahi Bhushan, Shri NOBS Shor Singh, Shri Shetty, Shri K. K. Agarwal, Shri Virendra Shindc. Shri Annasahob P. •Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman Shiva Chandika, Shri Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shri Shivappa, ShHU ' Bhattacharyya, Sbri Dinen SMvnath Singh, Shri Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan Bhattacharyya, Shri S. P. Siddayya, Shri S. M. Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy Siddheshwar Prasad, Shri Chatterjee, Shri Somnath Singh, Shn V. N. P, Chaudhary, Shri Ishwar Sinha. Shri R. K. Chavda. Shri K. S. Sohan Lai, Shri T. Chowhan, Shri Bharat Singh Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh Deo. Shri P. K. Sonar. Dr. A, G. Gowder, Shri J. M. Stephen, Shri C. M. Guha, Shri Samar Subramaniam, Shri C Haidar, Shri Madhutyya Sudarsanam. Shri ML Joseph, Shri M. M. Sunder Lai, Shri Joshi, Shri Jagamiathno Suryanarayana. Shn K. Kalingarayar, Shri Mohanraj Swaminathan, Shri R. V. Krishnan, Shri E. R. Swamy, Shri Sidrameshwar llaiik. Shri Mukhtiar Singh Swaran Singh, Shri Mehta. Shri P. M. Tiwari, Shri R. G. Mishra, Shri Shy m n aadan Tlwary, Shri K. N. Mody. Shri Piioo Tula Ram, Shri Nayar, Shrimati Shakuntaia Tuittram, Shri V. Pandcya, Dr. Laxminaraia U ikey. Shri M. G . Patel. Shri H. M. Unnlkriihtum, Shri K. P. Piilai, Sbri R. Balakritina Vekaria, Shri Pradhan, Shri Dhan Shah Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. Rao. Shri M. Satyasarayto Vetfkatswaoky, Shri G. Saha. Shri Gadadhar Yenaa, Shri Sakhdeo Praiad Shawri. Shri Shiv Kumar Vikal, Shri Ram Chandra Sinha. Shri Satyendra Mamta Yadav, Shri ChandraJit Subravdu. Shri •Wrongly voted lor HOB S. 2fi7 EMU introduced Bills Introduced \ p *

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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : srwwr This is highly objectionable. I rise on a m%x v m t «fft # $ Tfr $ *ft point of order. *TT*5TTffi *W t I MR. SPEAKER : I have been in this Parliament for so many yean. This is the PROF. S. NURUL HASAN: I intro- first time that this undesirable outburst is duce the Bill. heard. aft v tm ftnnft w frft *. arwrw SOME HON. MEMBERS : It must be expunfed. q ft e r, * r r % gft f*n»r*r fo rr $ s s * ftwrph *rr% if ¥V Hasan. «rt |

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•The following Members also recorded their votes for AYES ; Sarvahri Raja Ktilkarni. Rama CbaodnKadaoappaHi and Ziaur Rahman Ansari. f Published In Oantte of India Extraordinary, Part II, Sectk» 2, datedM0,5.72. ! 2&9 B ills introduced JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (&4&4) Bilh Introduced 270 forth* to amend the University Grant* make it dear that the ruling party alone Coramiwtoa Act, 1996. would do it. Otherwise, we are not going to allow any time for the discussion on the MR. SPEAKER : The question is ; Aligarh Muslim University Bill during the current session. We want more "That leave be granted to intro- time for studying this measure. duce a Bill further to amend the This is a very delicate measure. We Univeniiy Grants Commission Aot, would like to know if any time will be 1956.” allotted during the coming session for its The motion was adopted. consideration, so far w* are concerned, we cannot allow it to be hustled through this PROF. S. NTJRUL HASAN: 1 intro- session. Is it being taken up during this duce the Bill. session ? Why do you not suggest the reference of the Bill to the Select Commit- tee and avoid all this controversy ?

ALIGARH MUSLIM UNIVERSITY PROF. S. NtJRUL HASAN : I have (AMENDMENT) BILL—Cotttd. already submitted that in my opinion it is neither desirable to refer it to the Select MR. SPEAKER : We will now take Committee nor postpone its consideration up item No. '■>. No time is allotted for until the next session. this Bill, but 1 think there is no contro- versy about this Bill. We have bad a MR. SPEAKER : Government feel that discussion in this House and the House it is very essential that it should be passed has expressed some views about it. It is a during this session. simple Bill. I do not think much time SHRI SAMAR GUHA : How can you should be taken. Moreover, the business say that ? is quite heavy today. We will continue to sit till we finish the business today. The SHRI .SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : motion about land ceilings will be delayed Sir. you must help us to some extent. a bit till these two Constitution Amend- SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN : Instead ments Bills are passed. of helping the Minister, you must help the House also. You must protect the mem- SIIR11NDRAJIT GUPrA (Alipore): bers. That motion is supposed to come up at 2 O’clock. We should have some idea of MR. SPEAKER : There are only two the time. more days left and government want it to be passed during the session. MR. SPEAKER : It can start at 3 O ’clock. These two Constitution Bills SHRI JYOHRMOY BOSU (Diamond may take one hour each. I do not think Harbour): Sir, you should not allow there is much controversy about it. this.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: MR. SPEAKER : U is government How do we stand io relation to the Aligarh business: it is not Speaker’s business* Muslim University Bill 7 It has been Why should I not assist the government in introduced but the hon. Minister seems to transacting government business ? suggest that it is going to be rushed through during the currant session. We do THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- not know whether the Business Advisory TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND Committee has allotted any time for it or TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADU R) ; has it any intention of doing so . Let me This Bill may be taken up on the Slat, 371 B lUslntnimtd MAY »» 1*72 Constitution (3Jh BW W I

ISfari 1UU Bahadur] SHRI S, M. BANERJEE: Whenever instead of 30th, to enable tbe members a Bill has to be (Ntaaed immediately nod to give notice of amendments. the Minister is unable to refer it ta a Select Committee, there should a convention MR. SPEAKER: That will give that the Minister will convene a meeting members two days. of all leaders of the opposition, discuss the problem with them mnd convince them of the necessity for urgent passage of tbmt SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We do legislation. So, why not consult the not have either a department or a opposition leaders today evening or secretariat at our disposal to move at that tomorrow morning? supersonic speed to consider this Bin. Sir, yon must appreciate our difficulties. We have very limited resources. MR. SPEAKER: That is for tbe Minister to decide; not for tbe Speaker. SHRI DINfcN BHATTACHARYYA You cannot expect me to bring about a (Semmpore): Sir, you are here to protect meeting between the opposition and the democracy. Is it not a fact that democracy Government. Is peing curbed here? And everything is being done through you. PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I will be quite happv to have the opportunity SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: of discussing this Bill with the leaders of Sir, it is left to your ruling. The ruling the opposition either late this evening or party cannot hustle through the Bill with- tomorrow morning. out consulting the opposition, without consulting the BAC. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: But we have no time to go through the MR. SPEAKER : There are only two Bill. Sir, you will have to appreciate days left. our physical limitation in this matter. Every minute of our time is booked. This SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: is the most unseemly way in which this The BAC, which is responsible for the measure has been brought forward. allotment of time, 'should meet and allot time. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : It is not physical limitation but mental limitation. MR. SPEAKER : Government say that they are bringing up this Bill during this 12 50 brs. session, and only two days are left. If Government want to bring it, only time can be allotted by the BAC BAC cannot CONSTITUTION (THIRTY-FIRST prevent the passage of the Bill; it can only AMENDMENT) BILL allot time. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir. you MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND have allowed the suspension of the rule IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON* to enable the Government to introduce NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS M lRDHA): the Bill. Why don’t you suspend the Sir, I beg to move : BAC also? “That the Bill further to amend MR.SPBAKBR j BAC Is not there the Constitution of India, be taken to prevent legislation. into consideration.” 273 CoitMiiution JYAISTHA 8, 1«W (SAKA) C om titm b« 274 (31st Amndi,) B ill (i/4m»dr.) Bill SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : On followed this practice in the past. After « point of order. I am not opposed to they are passed, they are numbered. If tbit Bill, Sir, but! want to drew your this is passed earlier, this will be num- attention to certain technical matter*. . bered again as the first one, and If the other one is passed later, that will be MR. SPEAKER: Kindly sit down. given another number. Let him conclude. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : There will be SHRI SAMAR GUHA: This is the a gap remaining.. (Interruption) Constitution (Thirty-first Amendment) Bill. Perhaps, you will remember. Sir, MR. SPEAKER : We have been doing that in this House the Twenty eighth. that in the past also. I have given my Twenty-ninth and Thirtieth Constitution ruling. Please sit down. Amendment Bills are pending. Unless The Minister. they are withdrawn, how can this Bill be taken into consideration ? This is a SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: wrong procedure. (Interruption) Before the Transfer of Power in 1947, MR SPEAKER : Please sit down. recruitment to certain services was being made by the Secretary of State and the SHRI SAMAR GUHA M am indica- more important conditions of service of ting to you the technicalities . . such persons were prescribed by rules made by the Secretary of State. The MR. SPEAKER : I understand it. Transfer of Power meant, in the case of Please sit down. These are for the sake of these persons, a premature termination of numbering. A number of Bills come here. a career under the ultimate authority of It does not mean that the Bills must the British Government. With a view to follow the samo order—earlier number ensuring that the Administration was not first and the latter number later, and so weakened by the loss of experienced on. 1 do not accept the point of order. officers, the Government of India under- They are not interconnected. (Interruption) took that those members of the Secretary Will he please sit down ? He goes on of State's services who continued to serve speaking. under the Goverment of India after the Transfer of Power should do so on their SHRI SAMAR GUHA : 1 object to then existing terms as to scales of pay, this remark, ‘he goes on speaking’. Every leave, pensionary rights and safeguards member has the right to raise a point of in matters of discipline and that provi- order .. I cannot understand this . sions to this effect should be made in the Treaty to deal with matters arising out of MR. SPEAKER: You will never the Transfer of Power. The Government understand during the term of this of India expressed the hope that sentiments Parliament. of patriotism would impel Indian officers SHRI SAMAR GUHA : There appears to continue to serve their country. to be some contradiction, something wiong Individual letters were accordingly in the procedure. . sent to the officers concerned in which MR. SPEAKER : There is something a specific reference was made to the wrong. 1 have already explained to you. guarantees being given by the Government Please sit down. of India for the protection of certain special conditions of service then exis- There is no need that these Bills should ting. Subsequently, the Indian Indepen- foikm ia the same serial order. We have dence Act, 1947. provided for the 275 Constitution MAY 29, 1972 Conttitutian 276 (31st Amndt.) Bill (3h r Amndt.) BUI I Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha] This is a Constitution Amendment continuance of the special condition! of BUI. So, we have to follow the fntoeedbre service of these officers. In addition to the prescribed for it. I may inform the House statutory guarantees, an endorsement that the voting on this will commence at was made in tbe covenant or agreement 2 p. m. If the discussion on this Bill of officers of the Secretary of State’s concludes earlier, then we will take up Services, guaranteeing the continuance of the next Bill, and the voting on this Bill the special conditions of service. Subse- will commence at 2 p. m. T am giving this quently, when the Constitution of India advance notice. The voting on this Bill was enacted, Article 314 assured the con- will be at 2 p. u. If the debate on this tinuance of these guarantees. Bill finishes a bit earlier, then voting will be postponed to 2 p. m. and, meanwhile, Even at the time of the consideration discussion on the next Bill will be taken by the Constituent Assembly of the up. draft provision containing this guarantee, some members objected to the inclusion Mr. Somnath Chatterjee. of such a provision. A strong plea was made by the then Home Minister Sardar SHRI SAMAR GUHA:’ Sir, as Patel, that, having regard to the histori- amended, this will be the Twenty-ninth cal circumstances, such a guarantee should Constitutional Amendment. But, exactly be incorporated in the Constitution and the Twenty-ninth Constitution Amend- that at a subsequent stage, after matters ment Bill—another Bill with tbe same stabilised, there should be no difficulty in number—is already pending in the House. effecting any changes that might be I fail to understand this. Would you considered necessary by Parliament. kindly clarify this 7

Because of the provisions of Article MR. SPEAKER: This has been the 314, the changes being made from time to practice. It is not very much material— time in the conditions of service of Govern- whether the number is this or that ? ment servants generally could not all be effected in the case of the officers of the SHRI SAMAR GU HA: With the same former Secretary of State's Services. The number, how can there be two Bills ? Is it concept of a class of officers with immu- possible ? I would like to know from yon, table conditions of service is incompatible Sir. There is another Bill—Constitution with the changed social order. It is, there- (Twenty-ninth Amendment) Bill—pending fore, considered necessary to amend the in the House. Constitution to provide for the deletion of Article 314 and for the inclusion of a MR. SPEAKER : If you were a lawyer, new Article 3I2A which confers on Parlia- it would have been easier for me to make ment the power to vary or revoke by law you understand. It is the number of tbe the conditions of service of tbe officers Act that matters. aforesaid and contains appropriate consequential and incidental provisions. 13 hrs.

I commend the Bill for the considera- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTBRJBB tion of the House. (Burdwan) : We, on this tide of tbe House tupport thit measure in so far at it seek* MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved : to remove the rettrictions Imposed on the powert of the Parliament by Art, 314 with “That the BUI further to amend the regard to dealing with the servioe Constitution of India be taken into conditions of the ICS and in so far as It consideration.’* is a itep toward the removal of a particular 277 ConMimUm JYAISTHA 8, 1194 iSAKA) Constitution 21$ {31st Anmdt.) BUI (Hat Amndt.) Bid vested imereti which was enshrined in the into the Constitution and into the organic Constitution when it was adopted in the law of this country and has remained there year 1950, undisturbed for the last 25 years although the Constitution has been amended for at The inclusion of Ait 314 in the Consti* least 27 occasions by this time. The tution of India was itself an anachronism. Congress Party which has been having a Like the partition of the country, we had dominant position in the Parliament to ppy this pi ice to attain Independence found time u> bring tneasuits like the for the country in the manner that we did. preventive detention laws as the Mainte» It was in the nature of a surrender to the nance of Internal Security Act taking wishes of the British rulers of that time away the personal liberties of the people when the leaders of this country were but did not find time to bring forward a unable to free themselves from the menta- measure like this to do away with the lity of a subjugated nation. special privileges and the vested interests enjoyed by the Indian Civil Service for so We know that when this clause was many years. No explanation has been being discussed in the Constituent Assem- given why all those 25 years no step was bly, there was considerable objection but, taken when it was thought th ,t these vested Sardar Vailabhbhai Patel who was the interests were against our national Home Minister at that time gave a glow- interests. It was only due to the efforts of ing tribute to the role played by the Indian Shri Madhu Limaye that the Constitution Civil Service for the country during the Amendment Bill was introduced in this British days and being a man with towring House in the last Parliament and it was personality, be persuaded other members discussed in Parliament in 1070 and we of the Constituent Assembly to adopt this iind from the debate that many of the clause. During the British days and there- members of the ruling Party had not fully after there has heen a considerable body of supported this measure and it was defeated public opinion against the continuance of in the House. this Indian Civil Service. They have been described as forming the adm inistrate Let us have some statistics about the arm of the British power iu the country. strength of the Indian Civil Service. Just Some have criticised the Indian Civil before the Independence—the hon.Minister Servants as adopting tbe most un-Indian will correct me if my figures are wrong— attitude to the Indian problems and also there were 1084 ICS officers. After for their subservience to their British mas- partition this number came down to 451. ters. After Independence, the Indian In April 1970 this number dwind- Civil Servant!, have been criticised as a led to 106 in active service; of this 106, U hang-over of the British imperialism. were in the Indian Foreign Service and 25 Some have described them as a relic of the were in the State Service and 95 are past and others have criticised their atti- working in the Centre. In March 1972. tude as opposed to democratic ideals and the number of ICS in active service came social justice. Some have abused or down to 56. Out of 14 who ought to retire accused them of having a vicious strangle- this year. 2 have been granted extension. hold on the administration of the country But the important point to note is that in and, Sir, even some have gone to the 5 years* time there will be no Indian Civil length of accusing them of suobbery in the Servico at all. So far as this Service is discharge of their duties and functions. concerned what is most interesting to note Sir, it is not necessary now to go into is that it is a dying species and is going to the»e questions and to consider whether be extinguished in 5 or 6 years* time. Government has now suddenly risen from •U these criticisms are really justified or its slumber and wants to pass this legisla- not. But what is more important is to tion . We will of course support it beoause consider that this Art 314 found its way 279 Constitution MAY 29, 1972 Connitut ion 280 {31st Amndt.) BUI 01 si Amndlt.) Sill [Shri Somnath Chatterjae] removing this Article, that is Article or the principle behind it. But we are 3i4, those agreements do not go trying to find out from Government the away. It will be necessary to have a reasons for waiting for all these 25 years, law of Parliament to revise them if they thought that this privilege should and at that time Government will not be allowed to continue. It is important consider those conditions on merits. to bear in mind that by passing this When we accept this Bill (that is, the Constitution (Amendment) Bill we are not amending Bill of Shri Madbu doing aw«y with privileges and special Limaye), it does not mean that we benefits that ICS are enjoying. We must are going to do away with all the pass a separate legislation which has got to conditions of service that we agreed. be brought by the Government to do away There are certaialy some differences with the privileges. Otherwise they will about pension, leave, pay scale and continue. This will be only an enabling so many other things. So each con- power so far as this amending Bill is con- dition will have to be considered on cerned. On the basis of the money value merits and Government will take a the special privileges that are now being decision of merits. As I said it is enjoyed by the ICS people are not of such not our intention to denigrate any magnitude that this country cannot bear. particular service. We want to reco- But as 1 said we are supporting this gnise and recognise positively the because we do not want that there should good work done by the I. C. S. who be any category of the people having any have served tbe country for tbe last vested interests and we want that the 12 years and there are certainly a coneept of equality should be restored in large number of ICS officers who are the Central Services, in the State Services, serving the country even today. etc. and there should not be any discri- What we are urging is not out of mination. The question therefore arises: ungratefulness to the service. But it When is the Government going to bring is a question of accepting a principle about the legislation for the purpose of that no class of people in India doing away with whatever special privile- should have a special privilege to the ges which are being enjoyed by the Indian extent of excluding tbe power of Civil Service? Parliament.

Sir, on this side of the House we have I was quoting from the speech of the then very grave doubts as to whether any Bill Home Minister Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan. will be introduced following this amending He had made it clear then that the passing Bill. We don't know whether after the of the amending Bill did not mean that Government takes the power to bring Government were going to do away with about the Bill whether it will at all aU the special conditions of service. Even be introduced. Sir, if I may quote, with in the year 1970 he gave a glowing certifi- your permission from a speech that was cate to the role played by the Indian Civil delivered on the floor of this House, on Service in this country. If I may quote the 28th April, 1970, while discussions from one more passage in the speech of the were going on on the Constitution then Home Minister, be said ; (Amendment) Bill moved by Shri Madbu Limaye? “1 have been in administration for the last twenty years. I have I know that there are agreements come in contact with more than two with them,—that is, the ICS dozen ICS officers in different capa- officers,—and these agreements cer- cities, and 1 era say that without tainly ate very important. By merely excepting!, all the officers with whom 28! Constitution JYAISTHA t , 1894 [SAKA) Constitution 282 (31at Amndt.) BUI (31 si Amndt.) Bill I had an opportunity to work had in various aspects of life. This is the done excellent work. It will be un- position after 25 years. On the other gratefulness not to recognise tbe good hand, we find that there has been rapid work that they have done/’. growth of monopoly bouses. There has been increase in their strength, and we This is tbe attitude of Government. find concentration of the country’s wealth Therefore, merely passing the Constitution in the hands of 75 families. amendment Bill does not automatically do away with the special rights and privileges While trying to take up the attitude unless another Bill is brought forward for that they are doing away with the special that purpose alone. This Bill gives only privileges and vested interests of a micro- an enabling power. That is why we have scopic minority in this country which is grave doubts whether this Bill will be almost extinct today and which will cer- followed up by any other enactment which tainly become extinct in five years' time, will actually do away with the special this Government lias been creating mono- rights and privileges of the Indian Civil polies vested interests in favour of the Servant. To that extent, we are of the monopol’sts and the zamindars and the view that this amending BUI is intended to rich farmers. This ii the attitude that we be used more as a show-piece for the so- find. called progressive character of the Govern- ment and of the ruling parly than for the So. while supporting this measure, I purpose of affecting the vested rights and would like to say that the real object is not vested interests of the Indian Civil Servant. to use it for the purpose for which the ruling party or the Government professes to use it, but it will be really another vote- 13.11 brs. catching slogan just like the slogan of |M r. DEPurv Speaker in the Chair] (iaribi Hatao or self-reliance which has been given out the country more to divert From the Statement of Objects and the people’s attention from the realities of Reasons appended to this Bill we find : the situation, than for effecting or bringing about any real change in the situation. "The concept of a class of officers with immutable conditions of service Therefore, while we support this is mcompitable with the changed measure, we wish to point this out that social order.” . Government owe an explanation to the country for having kept quiet for all This was also stated by the hon. Minister these 25 years. in bis introductory speech. It has taken the ruling party almost 25 years to dis- We find these days that there is consi- cover this incompatibility, and now the derable criticism on the part of the ruling circumstance which is being taken recoune party that many of their supposed activities to after 25 years to justify this measure is are being throttled or being frustrated or that their service conditions must not be many of their ideas cannot be put into incompitabki with tbe changed social order. action because of the alleged failure on the But what is the changed social order that part of the bureaucracy to take up a com- we find after 25 years ? There are hungry mitted attitude. But commitment to wbat ? millions in this country; there a n millions We find that in various places Government of unemployed, inclnding the educated wants that the bureaucracy should unemployed; there are people who have no be committed to its own ends, that is, roof over their beads; the rate of illiteracy should be committed the ruling party itself. Is increasing; there is entrenched poverty in This kind of demand for commitment •bis country; there is complete stagnation from the bureaucracy It nothing b u t. . . 183 C onstitution MAY 29. 1972 C o a u iM h n 284 (31st Amndt.) Bill (i/st JKr// MR DEPUTY-SPBAKBR What has m r?r f m r t o i t «pt all that got to do with the Bill 7 *cpkt *rfV ira w Orfir^ ?rff # *m?r, SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE ?T> ft a* liw ft % fsrft f , The whole object is that they are trying to ^rfa*r q f a t h r % fair f , «rfa- see that the special rights and privileges of the bureaucracy are taken away In our irf m i tt fair firnteTT submission, this demand for a commit- 1 1 ?nr ft s?r srarrc *r *rwrrff ment from the bureaucracy is nothing but $ *r^ «ft, «tVt *t s n r f a urreem i an attempt to explain away the incompe- tence and the inefficiency on the part of «ft fa s srarre «Fr *?TMr srrffcft i this Government in translating into action tftx far swt |, ^ sw what they profess to achieve With these **TfT w a r aft words 1 support this Bill WTf O *fto rr*T o «TtR»TT JT^ ( , MR DEPUTV -SPEAKER I think the 35

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« w c f «ft ftmfarr $ t aft * rrarc* sayanam Ayyangar opposed these privileges; I quote him: fira *r |* arern f ww »*TT% $ *t*T * TO, ?T fa W SRTTt % "Possibly they (British) wanted the interests of the Indian bureaucrats to vrf® v t f a srifcr be safeguarded because they were loyal *TT*FTC % «TH% «r I to them and they did not want to let them down when our own SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandi- Government came in. I am wash) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the not in favour of any provision Constitution (Thirty-first) Amendment Bill in the Constitution. We could as well is brought before this House as a radical incorporate it in an Act of Parliament measure. The last ICS officer retires in!979, later on But we must have the power and when we count the exemptions given to regulate. These are becoming in this Bill, I think the whole objective of 'super sovereigns' of this country.” the Bill is itself defeated. Even if it is true that nil tbe privileges are going to be Unfortunately, another stalwart of the abolished, taking for granted that the Congress Party, the late Sardar Vallabhbhai follow-up action is going to be taken, the Patel was the strong defender of these entire credit should go to Shri Madhu privileges. Once he asked : do you want Limaye who moved a similar Bill in the to run this Government by the Congress last Lok Sabha. This is only an enabling workers ? He goes on to say : provision and as the previous speaker pointed out, this will “1 feel very sad that the very become useless unless again instruments from whom we have to follow-up action is taken and another Bill take work, we have been continuously is brought before this House. We know quarrelling with. If that is so, we are that this is not an easy thing, to abolish not doing a service to the country; we all the privileges of the ICS officers, are doing a great disservice.*’ because we know the power and the autho- rity of these officers and their hold on The previous speaker quoted Mr. this Government. Half a dozen ICS officers Chavan, the then Home Minister. I do not can join together and hold the entire find any difference between the speech of cabinet to ransom. We know that there Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel then in 1947 and was a conflict once between the Home the speech of Mr. Chtfan in 1970. I do Minister and tbe Home Secretary; in the not know whether the same speech is end the Secretary remained and the going to be repeated by Mr. Mirdha in Minister was sent out. There were two 1972. senior ICS officers from Bihar; four or five sons of these officers are serving as TAS It is all right that the Government is officers; all of them would be sent to a going to abolish the ICS privilege. What particular division in Bihar and will serve about the exemptions t In the Statement there for one or two years and they will be of Objects and Reasons, it is stated: brought to Delhi and they will remain in Delhi for ever. This it what is happening “The concept of a class of officers and the Government is closing its eyes to with immutable conditions of service it all these. incompatible with the changed social order.” Thse privileges of the ICS officers were opposed even in the days of tbe Constituent I agree. Then why have you granted Assembly and stalwarts like Shri Anantba- so many exemptions ? The Bill says t *87 C an/ll tut ion MAY 29, 1972 Constitution288 (31st Amndt) BlU (31st Amndu) m il [Shri G Viswanathan] law and order With tbe advent of free* “Provided that in the case of any dom, the character of our State has such person who is holding or has held changed, the functions of the Government the office of the Chief Justice or other have changed. Today, the Government Judge of tbe Supreme Court or a High functions with the prime purpose of Court, the Comptroller and Auditor- implementing either welfare measures, or General of India, the Chairman or developmental measures, or certain radical other members of the Union or a measures or even socialistic measures State Public Service Commission or the The set up which the Britishers built up for Chief Election Commissioner, this country’s administration is wholly nothing in sub clause (a) or sub-clause un suitable, is totally out of tune with the (b) shall be construed as empowering very purpose and the very character, of the Parliament to vary or revoke, after his State that we are building up in appointment to such post, the condi thiscountiy tions of service to his disadvantage except in so far as such conditions ol Sir, these Civil Services, now even the service are applicable to him by reason Administrative Services which have re- of his being a person appointed by the placed the Civil Services, are not qualitati- Secretary of State or the Secretary of vely different from each other Maybe, State in Council to a civil service of the civil servants were given some training the Crown in India ’ in England and they had developed certain outlook But, essentially the character This is a long list they are going to of the Indian Administrative Service is exempt all these ICS officers The hon ret very much different lroin the Indian Mmistei should clarify this, if they are Civil Seivite going to exempt all these people there is no purpose in bringing forward this Bill SHRIG VISW\NArHAN There is Wc can allow events to run their course, difkremc the last of them will retire in 197V. SHRI AMRU NAHATA No Action must be taken immediately and essential difference That is what I said these exemptions should uot be given, it There is no essential fundamental differ you really mean to abolish the privileges encc The outlook is the same, the class of ICS officers from which they come is the same Most SHRI AM Ril NAHATA (Barmer) of these ICS Officers, when they retire, I congratulate the Government It has find very cosy jobs in big business houses redeemed a pledge which has been given to Even, while they are serving the this House and the people I welcome Government their relations are serving the tbe Bill because it abolishes an anachro big private business houses and they enjoy nism The privileges enjoyed by the Indian all the privileges Civil Service are out of tune with the present times This is probably the first So the essential question is that, today, legislative measure that the Government if certain radical measures or socialistic is undertaking to disturb the establishment measures or developmental measures or of services This could be the first in a welfare measures are to be implemented, series of measures that should be directed who will implement them? The question at changing and restructuring the whole of commitment is related to this We do administrative set.up not want the administrative machinery to be committed to the policies and prog- Ouimg the British regime, the Services rammes of a particular party That it bad to perform a particular role, mainly not the meaning of commitment Bvta collection of revenue and maintenance of when -we say that tbe services should be 289 Constitution JYAISTHA 8.1894 (SAKA) Constitution 290 {31st Amndt.) B 0 (3ht Amndt.) Bill committed to the Directive Principles and their social position, their accoutrement, Preamble of the Constitution, that also their training is not something which is does not carry ut anywhere. It is a vague absolutely out of tune with the require- thing. Any man who enters the services ments of the State. They should be may take an oath of allegiance to the recruited from people who are the benefi- Constitution. That is not enough. The ciaries of the Government policies. They essential question is are these generalists, should be recruited from the class who as they are calted, in a position to imple- are the beneficiaries of the Government ment the developmental, welfare and policies. Their social position and their radical measures. Implementation is a social outlook must be looked job of experts, of specialists, of techni- into. {Interruptions) In the institute cians, of engineers, of doctors and of which trains these administrative technocrats. They are to execute the officers, even today a formal dress is policies of the head of the Government, necessary and compulsory for dinner. who are the Ministers, who ate generalists, who are politicians, and who are there to MR. DEPUTY 'SPEAKER: This is a give the backing of the State and the much larger issue. sanctions of the people. Between these generalists, the Ministers and tbe speciali- SHRI AMRIT NAHATA : This should sts, who execute, is there at all a necessity be the first measure in the direction of a for another rung of generalists ? Commit- series of measures. At least let Govern- ment means—if a doctor is committed to ment implement the recommendations of his profession, that is commitment. Let the Administrative Reforms Commission him implement his job. If an engineer on personnel policy. We hope this wel- is committed to his job, that is commit* come measure will be followed by many ment. But these generalists to—what are more measures in the direction of re- they committed ? Their job is supposed to constructing the whole administrative inform the Ministers and to advice the set-up. Ministers. Let us not be complacent. These civil servants and administrative DR. RANEN SEN (Barasat) : Sir, servants have performed political functions while supporting this Bill, I am reminded and they have also taken policy decisions. of a saying “ Better late than never". Mr. Implementation of a policy itself is a Chatterjee had referred to the non-official policy, and therefore, this duplication of Bill moved by Shri Limaye/ which was generalism must go and we do not want defeated in April, 1970. What was the any intermediary between the political Government doing for the last two years ? generalists, the Ministers at the top, and Is it due to the fact that in a section of the actual executives who are at the the Government there is a soft corner for bottom to execute tbe policy. these ICS men who are enjoying special privileges even now, which is considered to MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What you be anachronism in a free India striving for want to be done now ? social justice? 1 am reminded of the statement made by Loid Curzon about SHRI AMRIT NAHATA : The impli- cation is very obvious and I do not want ICS m en: to be explicit in things which are Implicit. "No spark of imagination strikes In a developing economy, there Is no upon their minds. No spark of place for any thing like the Indian Civil initiative springs from the breast. If Service or the Indian Administrative left to themselves, they will instinc- Service. So long as they are not abolish- tively oppose and throttle every ed, the Government must see to it that reform.” 291 Constitution MAY 29, 1972 Constitution 292 {31st Arndt) BUI {31st Am du) BiU [Or Ranen Sen] draw their salaries and allowances in This was the general character of the ICS sterling 7 Of course, their right to who were considered to be the steel frame draw their pension in sterling has been of the British empire. curtailed by some governmental measures. This must be explained by the government. The old tradition remains even now The ICS officers who rule the roost are Then, there is always rivalry between still opposing every democratic reform ICS and IAS In West Bengal this rivalry While saying this, I acknowledge that has reached the extent of open hostility there have bctn some illustrious ICS between these two categories. The sooner Indians—the famous trio consisting of these super class organisations are aboli- Shn Surendranath Banerjee, Shn R C shed m this country the better it will be Dutt and Shri Bihari Lai Gupta, the for the country So, in addition to this grandfather of Mr Indrajit Gupta—who measure relating to ICS officers, govern- really created a record m the history of ment should bring forward other measures India and they were never liked by the to reduce the privileges cf other super- Britishers From that height, we find there class officers is the ICS gentleman involved m the Takru Commission enquiring into the Finallv, this being only an enabling shady business So, there have been ICS measure, g vernxnent should immediately and ICS There are very few people like come forwud with the necessary measure Shn R C. Dutt or Shri Bihari Lai Gupta to reduce their privileges Secondly, or Netaji Subash Chandra Bose who went govomment should make it clear as to into the ICS but did not join it or even vihat are the present privileges enjoyed by .Aurobindo, who also went into the ICS the ICS officers which they will not enjoy but did not join it. These are real exceptions any longer Thirdly, are government m our Indian history But generally the prepared to curtail the special privileges ICS officers—both Britishers and Indians— ol all the special cadre® or aristocracy, in have been the steel frame of tbe British out administration ’ With these words, I empire Not only Sardar Patel but even support this Bill, though it is belated Mr Chavan paid wholesome praise for the ICS officers just two years ago This *ft srfifr (tfw ir feesft) is the reason why Government acts halt* *PT ff«T- ing/y in bringing such measures 1 would rrmind Mr Mirdha that this is only an *R TOT g I w f t srgfl «T^r ’SfT'TT enabling Bill and after it is passed, differ «rr Srfor p i % srrsr i further measures will have to be taken. *rs fa q-g 5TRr $ eft SWfcT *t 3TT 1 understand that during the days of transfer of power, due to the Inde err^r to *§t 3Wt *tft pendence of India Act and various St tft* % I I other covenants, treaties and agreements, it was not possible to do away with the it aft *rf?r*?ret «rfonf*r ^ Services of the ICS officers immediately. It is quite apparent that even after inde- ifa JT«rr SRTfar «ft |* tt pendence, these ICS officers have been w sft % ftomfavnc i t, O T ftr really halting tbe march of India towards democracy and socialism Even today I «K faSttlfWT $ «nf» €to X&o do not quite understand what are the % faSmfarrc ft, w * i t % ^ w r exact privileges enjoyed by tbe ICS offi- fra*jrfvrefa & jpi 1 1 f*rr% cers Is it a fact that when they go over- seas on leave for their holidays they can srfaft fa W r fort vft m Com um ion JYAISTHA 8, 1894 ( 5 ^ ^ ) Constitution 294 {31st Amndt.) Bill) {31st Amndt.) Bill vs fW ro *rr*rr *wrr i % *tt% *rt fc?T*R: v r f?r^r trlx fkzr- fa*T wrar frww *jf * r » *% *TT fjt^ % 3T? farSrqfrnwrTT fa*j% t ^err f ^ fm 9 fctft ^ 5 *m r Tratflfar* forferifk ^ r^ > tfr hVjtt if 5tt*tt am? 1 arsr *rrar*Bt fcr * t Tratftfer* forfer ft far^rrfsrwrrTf ^ ^nrrf«^r ?> Tft | eft ircftor qaf * m i h t 1 1 v tf arsr ??r >nrr | *rr f % tfx *wr | wt ^?r^t «ft i*r fa«tafr % 5TT% mf« tfto qffo srroref 3»T Trrar aft»^*TT ^ rf^ ' 1 ft%trf«rwt farw wft TO*t w*rr *r fare? four ^rferJTT ffRi«er ^rf^iT 1 51^ ^ r % *wr t, ^rvr 3$ wfsw sth ®rff |1 ^f«rfes ^ r ^ f t vrt ^r?fr s t t % «ft^ 1 9 4 2 srn*5i ft *w ^ r % >ft ftsft ^rrf^ wtftf JT^rrir firfer m % fsrterft l*i ^?r if x w z w k f«rrPr mx ff?tr^ fsRt ari ^ r 1 1 ft fffsr«rR Iffft 5fiW W I wrf e ffto tT^o v> «ptf ar? 5??rr%3r ^ jTr^rerr f 1 s^tsFs't irrct vt ffrrt aft | iftft- %fo?r fff^qrrJT ft ?nfhw «*n?rr m^r vt cM tf fteft t , §tft *Ter ti«5 vt srnfff q»x fir$r«TrfWT tlr i «tt? ft 1970 ft ar^ ft ^t# sr*r- sm s ft *st «rr*r t i qrftnrrite spry^ m«T «TT5ft STjt I I f ir m gsrta *t£ *n wte % *wt €t ft*r sft *rfl ft mx fHTT ^TSpTT % % g^ftsrfT w t aft fn vt titoi-qttft ?rr% faSmfswrct *t mrcor *Tft ^ S5ft«W ftfft «ft ot> t srft m i 5*TCT *T$* mft*TT, eft 3*R7T WHT ^t, ^rivrft qrff * x ^veft | faaft iftnt

last 25 years on the statute book Ihe [M r S p e a k l r m the Chair ] credit goes to M r Madhu Limaye who highlighted this imperialist and, I should After 1957 it was changed The amount say, invidious distinction between the was bctweci f 350 and £ 900 depend- loyalist class of ICS officers and the ing upon the period of service they put IA S . officers up Still they were enjoying these things. They could get this annuity pound if they If our Independence was not born out wanted. There are twelve distinctions of a British Act m the House of Commons between the ICS and IAS officers and if India's independence was seized as visualised by the great revolutionary, The ICS junior scale is Rs 450—1350 Netaji Subhas Bose, I should say, perhaps whereas for IAS it is Rs 400 to 1,000, nobody would have dared at the time of Senior ICS scale is Rs 1000 to Rs. the Constitution-making that they should 2250 and for a senior IAS it is Rs. 900 to support this heaven-born service of the 1800 Superior Service ICS officers get Rs. royalist concept, & privileged class and a 4000 whereas in the case of Superior Service specially privileged class whose whole IAS the amount is Rs. 3500 Tbe Joint 301 C otm tm tw n JYAISTHA 8. 1894 (SAKA) Constitution 302 {31st 4mdt.) B ill (31st Arndt,) Bill Secretary from the ICS gets Rs. 3000 tpp *rrfo t^ro «nfa?R & fro whereas if it is from IAS he gets Rs. 2500 m srnltaT ft, »*WTf if only. Not only so. For leave benefits also, the ICS are getting more than the IAS qrf ft i 3rfa*r srot nf3w vt officers. An ICS man cannot be retired % for* vtf wrcr % m *r$f x m r by the State Government. This position i ^ m io tfto trg-o i t i f a n is still continuing. No penalty measure can be taken against any ICS officer. fa* *f fam?r | fa *f cR^rrf For an IAS officer you can do it. If you gsri Jr % sw r fa* afro % compel them and they resign they have sis *r 75Tfr fa&ft garr $ % ?rwr | to be given an annuity of over Rs. 13, 333 whereas if the IAS officer does so, srfc % fa5t his amount will be Rs. 8,000 per annum. *rfaFr if ^?ft «f)r sft As I said in the beginning, this vested f*rr

14 hrs. As soon as this Bill is passed, I hope, some provision will be made to sec that no longer any ICS officer is entitled to ^?tf ?nft «ft srraftft aft v f use any of these privileges and the f a «if »r2r sittfsft *pt v i t i ICS certificate. A separate service as t , f t ff«P5rr % H *r v t w m % ^ ICS was a concept brought about by the British imperialists to maintain and in- ilTcr !T q r f fT I m srWt^t if fifT »wr increase their domination over the people I f a s h «f t «rt w ifar gsfta of India This imperialist stigma must iTT ? t| apr *rr a r f ^ r go and go finally. Thank you. tm fa$Wfaf>TT T f 5ET^

f a f I , # tt*rr ^pt j r it f fa ?a % tr*prn: 5ft 31#' tffasiPT 3TT fq$WTf«rVTT ft ^ t, % Wt Tf g i %fa* trfa^T Hto % tft sr*r 3 $ *nfcTT farSwrfawr f, wr r g fa f*f imefta 3r«r a* arfcr ft ^ 5 r, *Tf STT5T %ft ^T«R # f a # «Pt f«i^ » 303 Constitution MAY 29,1972 Constitution 304 (31st Amndt.) BUI (31st Amndt.) BUI [«ft fw m r faf] who have retired and covered by this. All ICS officers who hold these constitutional «ft w fw rc offices are also covered by this. AH ICS f?rfa£ % uwrc fsft w .r t *r*pfa officers who have retired and who have ? W f ! held these positions are also covered by this A special mention had to be made m ir % m *J r r t t because if one holds these constitutional positions, one's conditions of service *RcfT 11 cannot be varied to one’s disadvantage But here, power is being taken to vary THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE those conditions, in case these pensions or MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND salaries or other conditions of service arise IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PCR out of the person being an ICS officer. It SONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS means that we are going much beyond in MIRDHA) I have heard the speeches regard to these officers We are going to made by hon Members on various aspect exempt them from something to which of this Bill, and some of the observations, they would normally have been entitled to, it seems were not well founded, and a if this Bdl were not there, that is from the proper reading of the Bill would probably protection to the constitutional positions have dispelled their misconceptions which have been mentioned here, namely This Bill has been brought forward to the Auditor-General of India, the judges, remove a constitutional impediment that the Chief Election Commissioner etc lay before Parliament in changing the ser- whose conditions cannot be varied to vice conditions of persons belonging to the their disadvantage under the Consti- Secretary of State service as we can tution as it stands But if these conditions broadly call them of service are there by virtue of his being an ICS person whether serving or retired, It is true that the removal of article his conditions can be varied in spite of the 314 by ttseljf would not remove the special fact that he has holding a constitutional service conditions that govern this class of position So, this fear is nob at all well officers, but a follow up legislation will founded, and we have not left out any have to come so that the special conditions person who belongs to these services that govern their services at present could be modified and brought more m conso- Another special feature is that we have nance with the service conditions as gene- prowdcd an express provision in the rally obtain in our country Constitution, by virtue of article 312A which we now want to be incorporated m It is not correct to say that the Constitution, to exclude from the this is merely a show-piece legislation, purview and jurisdiction of the Supreme because Government do intend to bring Court and other courts disputes arising out forward another legislation as a foliow-up of any provision of a covenant of these to this which would spell out clearly m officers We do not want that a court what way we want to change the condi- should sit in judgment when we make tions of service and bring them in line changes in their service conditions or with those of other officers changes in the covenant. That care has also been taken that the courts' jurisdic- There has been one misunderstanding tion should not interfere in our efforts to regarding the so called exemption change these service conditions These Actually, there is no exemption, and what are some of the main features and I have has been quoted in the proviso has not tried to dispel some of the doubts that been well taken. Actually, all ICS officers hon Members held. m S CaimUm um JYAISTHA %, W * 18AKA) C o n stlm tm 366 (31st Amdt.) Bltl , (31st Am*.) Btlt At regards the number of officer* who The question i t : are affected various figures bave been given, and 1 might tee the record straight. "That the Bili further to amend Oo 27th May, 1972. there are in service 81 tbe Constitution of India, be taken members of tbe Indian Administrative into consideration.** Service who, before becoming such mem- bers, were membert of the Indian Civil The Lok Sabha dlvldtd. Service, (including seven officers permanen- tly seconded to the Indian Foreign Ser- Division No. 9] {14.12 hrs. vice); 26 members of the Indian Police Service who, before becoming such mem- AYES bers, were membert of the Indian Police; and four judges of the high courts who Achal Singh, Shri were formerly members of the ICS. Thus, Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao on 27*5-1972, there are in service a total of 111 officers to whom article 314 applies. Agarwal, Shri Shrikrishn* The last officer would retire in 1979. Ahirwar, Shri Natbu Ram Ahmad, Shri F. A. Reference was made by some Members to Shri Madhu Limaye’s Bill. It is true Ambesh, Shn this matter has come before this House on Ankineedu, Shri Maganti a number of occasions. A Private Ansar i, Shri Ziaur Rahman Member’s Bill was introduced in 196S by Austin, Or. Henry Shri Viswanath Pande and Shri Sinhat8n Singh, but was withdrawn. Shri Madhu Awdhesh Chandra Singh, Shri Limaye introduced bis Bill in 1967, which Babunath Singh, Shn fell through for want to adequate majority. Bahuguna, Shn H. N. He introduced another Bill in 1970 which Bajpai, Shn Vidya Dhar lapsed with the dissolution of the fourth Lok Sabha ip 1970. There is even now a Balakrishniah, Shri T. Bill by Shri Chin(amani Panigrahi on the Banerji, Shrimati Miukui subject, which is pending as a non official Barua, Shri Bedabrata Bill. So, many hon. Members of rhis House have taken an interest in this Basappa, Shri K. matter, and it is in diference to the wishes Basumatan, Shff D. of the House and the opinion expressed Bhagat, Shri B. R. here and outside that the Government has Bhagat, Sbri H. K. L. brought forward this constitutional amend- ment nhith, as 1 said, will be followed up Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shn by another legislation spelling out m Bhandare, Shri R. D. concrete terms changes that are to be Bhargavi Thankappan, Shrimati made in regard to these officers. Bhatia, Shri Raghunandaa Lai I request the House to adopt this Bill. Bhattacharyya, Shri Dines Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish MR. SPEAKER: Before 1 put the motion to the vote of the House, this Bhattacharyya, Shri S. P. being a Constitution (Amendment) BfU, Bhattacharyya, Shri Chapalanedu voting has to be done by division. Let the Bharua, Shri B. 8. lobbies be cleared. Bhuvarahan, Shri G. The Lobbies have been cleared. Bisht, Shri Narendra Smgh 307 Constitution MAY 29.1972 Constitution (31st Am dt) m (3ht Amdt.) Bill Bow, Shrt Jyourmoy Gautam, Shri C. D Brahman, Shri Rattanla! Gogoi, Shri Tanm Brahmanandji, Shn Swatni Gokhale, Shri H R Brij Raj Singh-Kotah, Shn Gamango, Shn Giridhar Chakleshwar Singh, Shri Gopai, Shri K Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsna Goswami, Shrimati Bibha Ghosh Chandra Gowda, Shn D B Govind Das, Dr Chandrappan, Shn C K Gowda, Shri Parapan Chatterjee, Shn Somnath Gowder, Shri J M Chaturvedi, Shn Roshan Lai Guha, Shri Samar Chaudhari, Shn Amarsinh Gupta, Shri Indrajit Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh Haidar, Shri Madhuryya Chavan, Shri D. R Haidar, Shrt Krmhna Chandra Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao Hansda, Shri Subodh Chawla, Shri Atnar Nath Hari Kishore Singh, Shri Chellachemi, Shri A M Ishaque, Shn A R M Chhotey Lai, Shri Jagjlwan Ram, Shri Chittibabu, Shn C Jamilurrahman Shri Md Choudhury, Shn Momul Haque, Janardhanan, Shn C Daga, Shri M. C Jevalakshmi, Shrimati V Da lip Singh, Shn Jha, Shri Chiranjib Darbara Singh, Shri Joseph, Shn M M Das, Shn Dharnidhar Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Kadam, Shn J G Daschowdhury, Shri B K KadannappaMi, Shri Ramachandran Deb, Shri Dasaratha Kader, Shn S A Deo, Shn S N Singh Kahandole, Shri Z. M. Dhamankar, Shri Kakodkar, Shn Purshottam Dhana, Shri Mohan Kakoti, Shri Robin Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad Kamakshatah, Shri D. Dinesh Singh, Sbri Kamala Prasad, Shri Doda, Shri Hlralal Kamble, Shri T D Dube, Shn J P Kapur, Shri Sat Pal Dutta, Shri Biren Karan Singh, Dr Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar Kaul, 8hrunati Sheila Engti, Shn Biren Kavde, Shrt B R Gandhi, Shrimati ladhra Kedar Nath Singh, Shri Ganesh, Shn K R Khadilkar, Shn R. K. Ganga Devi, Shrimati Kinder Lai, Shri Gangadeb, Shn P Kotokl, Shri Liiadhar 309 Constitution JYAISTHA 8. 1894 (SAKA) Constitution (3/st Amdt.) Btii (31st Am dt) Bill Kulkarni, Shn Raja Panda, Shri D K. Kureel, Shn R. N. Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra Lakkappa, Shn K Pandey, Shri Narsingh Naratn Lakshmmarayanan, Shri M R Pandey, Shri R S. Lambodar Baliyar, Shri Pandey, Shn Tarkeshwar Lutfal Haque, Shn Pandit, Shn S T Mahajan, Shri Vtkram Panigrahi, Shn Chintamam Mahajan, Shri Y S. Pant, Shn K C Maharaj Singh, Shri Paokai Haokip, Shri Mahishi, Dr Sarojtni Parashar, Prof Naram Chand Majhi Shn Oajadhar Pankh, Shn Rasiklai Majhi, Shn Kumar Partap Singh, Shn Malaviya, Shri K L> Pahwan, Shn Ram Bhagat Malhotra, Shn inder J Patel, Shn Ramubhai Mallanna, Shn K Patii, Shn Anantrao Mandal, Shn Jagdish Narain, PatiJ, ShriE V Vikhe Marandi, Shri Is war Pdiil, Shn S B Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray PiJiai, Shri R Balaknshna Mehta. Shn P M Purty, Shri M S Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram Quresht, Shn Mohd Shat) Mishra, Shn Bibhuti Radhakrishnan, Shn S Mishra, Shri G. S Raghu Ramaiah Shn K Mishra, Shn Jagannath Raj Bahadur, Shn Mishra, Shri L N Raju, Shn M T Misra, Shri S N Ram Dhan, Shn Modak, Shn Bijoy Ram Prakash, Shri Modi, Shn Shrikishan Ram Sewak, Ch Mohammad Tahir, Shn Rani Surat PraAd, Shn Mohammad Yusuf, Shn Ram Swarup, Shn Mohapatra, Shn Shyam Sunder Rana, Shri M B Mohsm, Shri F. H Rao, Shrimati B Radhabai A Muhammad Khuda Buksh, Shn Rao, Shri Jagannath Mukherjee, Shri Saroj Rao, Dr K. i. Murthy, Shri B S Rao, Shn M S Sanjeev* Nahata, Shn Aimt Rao, Shri Nageswara Nair, Shri N Sreekantan Rao, Shri P Ankincedu Parasada Nimbalkar, Shn Rao, Shri Pattabhi Rama Oraon, Shri Tuna Rao, Dr. V K R. Vardaraja Pahadja, Shri Jagannath Rathia, Shn Umed Smgh, Pamuli, Shri Paripooraanand Raut, Shn Bhoia 3II Constitution MAY 19*72 Constltmicm (31 st Amdt.) BM (31st Amdt.) Biti Ravi, Shri Vayalar Shinde, Shri AntMsaheb P. Reddy. Shri & N Shiva Cbandtka, Shn Reddy, Shri P Narasifoha Sbivappa, Shri N Reddy, Shri P. V Shivanath Singh, Shri Keddy, ShnY Eswara Shukla, Shri Vidya Charaa Richhariya, Or Govmd Das. Siddayya, Shri S. M. Rohatgt, Shrimati SuskUa Shlddheshwar Prasad, Shn Roy, Shri Bishwanath Smgh, Shri V N P Rudra Pratap Smgti, Shrt Sinha, Shn Dharam Btr Sadhu Ram, Shri Sinha, Shn R. K. Saha, Shri Aj»t Kumar Sohao Lai, Shri T. Saha, Shri Gadadhar Sokhi, Shn Swaran Smgh bait, Shn Ebrahtm Sulaunaa Sonar. Dr. A O Samaata, Shn S. C. Stephen, Shri C M Sambhalt, Shn Ishaq Subramaniam, Shn C Sankata Prasad, Dr Subravelu, Shn Sant Bux Singh, Shn Sudarsanam, Shri M. Sarkar, Shn Shakti Kumar Sunder Lai, Shri Sathe, Shn Vasant Surendra Pal Smgh, Shri Savttn Shyam, Shrimau Suryanarayana, Shri K. Sayeed, Shn P. M. Swaminathan, Shn R. V Sen, Dr Ranen Swamy, Shn Sidrameshwar Sethi, Shri Ariun Swaran Singh, Shn Sezhiyan, Shri Swatantra, Shri Teja Smgh Shafquat Jung, Shn Swell. Shri G G. Shahnawaz Khan, Shn Tiwart, Shn R G, Shdtiam, Shn Chandra Tiwary, Shn K N Shambhu Nath, Shrt Tula Ram, Shn Shankar Dayal Singh, Shr» Tuisiram, Shn V. Shankaranand, Shri B Uikey, Shri M. G. Sharma, Dr H P. Ulaganambi, Shri R P. Sharma, Shri Madhoram Unnikrishnan Shn K P. Sharma, Shn Nawal Kishore Vekaria, Shri Sharma, Shn R N„ Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. Sharma, Dr Shankar Dayal Verma, Shri Balgovind Shashi Bhushafi, Sbri Verma, Shn Sukhdco Prasad Shastri, Shn Ramamtar Vijay Pal Singh, Shri Shastri, Sari Shcopujan Vikal, Shri Ram Chandsa Sher Singh, Shn Vishwanathan, SM G» Shetty, Shri K K Yadav, Shri CJumdmjit 31S Q m sttm #** JYAISTHA 8. 1W4{SAKA) Constitution 314 (31st Amdt.) Bill

Yadav, Sbri Kaxao Singh SHRI RAM NIWAS M1RJ>HA : Yadav, Sbri R. P. 1 beg to move Zolfiqar All Khan, Shri Page 2, line 7— for “ (Thirty-first Amendment)” NOES substitute— “ (Twenty eighth Amendment)” (3). Mody, Shri Piloo MR. SPEAKER : The question is Page 2, line 7.— Shakya, Shn Maha Deepak Singh for "(Thirty-first Amendment)” MR SPEAKER : The result* of the substitute— division is Ayes 274, Noes 2 ( Twenty-eighth Amendment)'’ (3) The monon wot adopted The motion wcanrced by a majority of MR. SPEAKbR . The question is: ihe total membership of the House and by a majority ol not less then two-thirds of '’That clause 2, as amended, the members present and voting. stand part of the Bill ” The Lok Sabha divided The motion was adopted Clause 2—(Insertion o f new Artwi* Division No 10J L14 20 hr* 312 A.) AYfcl» MR SPEAKER We take up Clause Achal Singh, Shri 2 now Atzalpurkar, Shn Dharmerao

SHRI RAM NiWAS MtRDHA There Agrawal, Shn Shnkrishna is an amendment, No 2. I beg to move Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram Page l, line 10,— Ahmed, Shri K A Alageaan. Shri O. V for “ ( I hirty-farst Amendment)*’ substitute— Ambesh, Shri Ankineedu Shri M4gft&ti "(Twenty-eighth Amendment)” ^ ) Ansari, &tut Ziaur Rahman MR SPEAKER Ihe amendment is Appalanaidu, Shri to be carried by simple majority. Later Austio, Dr. Henry on 1 shall-put 4h» clause Pratap Singh Rao. Shri Pattabhi Rama Nimbalkar, Shri Rao, Dr. V. K. R. Varadaraja Oraon, Shri Tuna Rathia, Shri Umed Singh 315 Constitution MAY 29. 1972 Constitute* (31 at Anmdt.) BUI (31st Am dt.) Blit Raut. Shri Bhola Shastri, Shri Ramavatar Ravi, Shri Vayalar Shastn, Shri Sheopujan Reddi, Shri P. Antony Sher Singh, Shri Reddy, Shri B. N. Shetty, Shri K. K. Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopal Shinde, Shri Annasaheb P. Reddy. Shri P. Narasimha Shiva Chandrika, Shri Reddy, Shri P. V. Shivappa, Shri N. Reddy, Shri Y. Eswara Shivanath Singh, Shri Richhariya, Dr. Govind Dm Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila Siddayya. Shri S M. Roy, Shri Bishwanath Siddheshwar Prasad, Shn Rudra. Pratap Singh, Shri Smgh, Shn V. N. P. Sadhu Ram. Shri Sinha. Shri Dharam Btr Saha, Shri Ajit Kumar Smha, Shri R. K. Saha, Shri Gadadhar Sohan Lai, Shn T Saini, Shn Mulki Raj Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh Samanta, Shri S. C. Sonar, Dr A. G Sambhali, Shri Ishaq Stephen, Shn C. M. Sankata Prasad, Dr. Subramaniam, Shri C. Sant Bux Siagh, Shri Subravelu, Shri Sarkar, Shri Sakti Kumar Sudarsaoam, Shn M. Sathe, Shri Vasant Sunder LaJ, Shri Savitri Shyam, Shrimati Surendia Pal Singh, Shri Sayeed, Shn P. M. Sur>anarayana, Shri J£. Sea, Dr. Ranen Swaminathan, Shri R. V. Sethi, Shn Arjun Swamy, Shn Sidrameshwar Sezhiyan, Shri Swaran Siagh, Shn Shafquat Jung. Sbri Swatantra, Shn Teja Singh Shahnawaz Khan, Shn Swell. Shn Q. G. Sbailani, Shn Chandra Tayyab Hussain Khan, Shn Shambhu Nath, Shn Tiwari, Shn R. G. Shankar Dayal Singh, Shn Tiwary, Shri K. N. Shankar Dev, Shri Tula Ram, Shn Shankaranand, Shri B. Tulsiram, Shri V. Sharma, Dr. H. P. Utlcey, Shri M. G. Sharma, Shri Madhoram Ulaganambi, Shri R. P. Shymt, Shri Nawal Kishore Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. Sharma, Shri R. N. Vtkaria, Shri Sharma, Dr. Shankar Dayal Venkatasubbaiab, Sbri P, Shashi Bhushan. Shri Verma* Shri Balgovind 337 Constitution JYAISTHA 8, li*4 (SAKA) Constitution $31 (31st Amndt) Silt (31st Amendt.) Bill Verma, Shn Sukhdeo Prasad “ lhat the Bill, as amended, b* Vijay Pal Smgh, Shri passed".

Vikal, Shn Ram Chandra MR. SPEAKER . The question is Viswanathan, Shn G. Yadav, Shri Chandrajit "That the Bill, as amended be passed". Yadav, Shri Karan Singh Yadav, Shn R P The Lok Sabha divided. Zulfiquar All Khan, Shri Dimion No J3J [14 27 hrs. NOES AYES Lalji Bhat. Shri Achal Stngh, shri Mody, Shri Pi loo Afzalpurkai, Shn Dharamrao Nayak, Shn Baksi Agrawal, Shri Shrikrishna Patel, Shn H. M. Ahirwar, Shn Naihu Ram Ahmed, Shn h A. MR SPEAKER. The result* of the division is Ayes 284, Noes 4 Aiagesan, Shn O V Ambesh, Shn The motion is carried by a majority of Ansari, Shn Ziaur Rahman the total membership of the House and by a majority of aot less than two-thirds of Appalanaidu, Shn the members present and voting. Austin, Dr Henry Awdhesh Chandra Singh, Shri The motion was adopted Azad, Shn Bhagwat Jha Clause I, as amended, w'oj added Babunath Singh, Shn to the Bilt Bdhuguna, Shn H N Bajpai, Shn Vidya Dhar MR SPEAKER Now the Enacting Formula and the Title will just be earned Balaknshmah, Shn f by simple majority Banorji, Shrimati

*The following Members also recorded the votes for AYES Sarvshri Hari Kishore Singh, Narsingh Narain Pandey and M. S. Purty. 339 C onstitution MAY 29.1*72 Constitution {31si Amndt.) BUI (31* Amndt,) BUI Bhattacharyya, Sbri S. P. Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar Bhattachayyta, Shri Chapalendu Engti.Sbri Biren Bhaura, Shri B. S. Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Bhuvarahan, Shri O. Ganesh, Sbri K. R. Bisht, Shn Narendra Singh Ganga Devi, Shrimati Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy Gangadeb, Shri P. Brahman, Shri Raitanlal Gautam, Shri C. D. Brahmanandji, Shri Swami Gogoi, Shri Tarun Brij Raj Singh-Kotah, Shri Gohatn, Shri C. C. Chakleshwar Singh, Shri Gokhale, Shri H. R. Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsna Gomango, Shri Giridhar Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B. Gopai, Shri K. Chandrappan, Shn C. K. Goswami, Shrimati Btbha Ghosh Chatterjee, Shri Somnath Govind Das, Dr. Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai Gowda, Shri Pampan Chaudhari, Shri Amarsinh Gowder, Shri J. M. Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh Guha, Shri Samar Chavan, Shri D. R. Gupta, Shri Indrajit Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao Haidar, Sbri Madhuryya Chawla, Shri Amar Nath Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra Cheilachemi, Shri A. M. Hansda, Shri Subodh Chhotey Lai, Shri Hari Kishore Singh, Shri Chittibabu. Shri C. Ishaque, Shri A. K. M. Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque Jagjiwan Ram, Shri Daga, Shri M. C. Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. Dalip Singh, Shri Janardhanan, Shri C. Darbara Singh, Shri Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V. Das, Shri Dharnidhar Jha, Shri Chiranjib Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Joseph, Shri M. M. Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. Kadam, Shri J. G. Deb, Shri Dasaratha Kadaonappalii, Shri Ramachandrao Deo, Shri S. N. Singh Kader, Shri S. A. Dhamankar, Shri Kahandole. Shri Z. M. Dharia, Shri Mohan Kakodkar, Sbri Purushottam Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad Kakoti, Shri Robin Dinesh Singh. Shri Kamakshaiah, Shri D. Dixit, Shri O. C. Kamala Kumari, Kumari Doda, Shri Hiralai Kamala Prasad, Shri Dube, Shri J. P. KattMe, Shri T. D. Dutta, Shri Biren Kapur, Shri Sat Pal *41 C m m th n JYAISTHA t. IS * (SAKA) Constitution (SI* Am dt.) BUI (31st Amndt.) am Kama Singh. Dr. Mohsin, Shri P. H. K tul, Shrimati Shell* Muhammad Khuda Bukth, Shri Kavde, Shri B. R. Mukherjee, Shri Saroj Kedar Nath Singh, Sbri Murthy, Shri B. S. Khadiikar. Shri R. K. Nahata, Shri Amrit Kinder Lai. Shri Negi, Shri Pratap Singh Kotoki. Shri Liiadhar Nimbalkar, Shri Krishoan, Shri O. Y. Oraon, Shri Tuna Kulkarni, Sbri Raja Pahadia, Shri Jagannath Kumaramangalam, Shri S. Mohan Painuli, Shri Paripoornaoand Kureel, Shri B. N. Panda. Sbri D. K. Lakkappa, Shri K. Paadey, Shri Krishna Chandra Lakshmikanthamma, Shrimati T. Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain Lakshminarayanan, Shri M. R. Pandey, Shri R. S. Lambodar Baliyar, Shri Pandey, Sbri Tarkeshwar Lutfal Haque, Shri Pandit. Shri S. T. Mahajan, Shri Vikram Panigrahi, Shri Chintamani Maharaj Singh, Shri Pant, Shn K. C. Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini Paokai Haokip, Shri Majhi. Shri Oajadhar Parashar, Prof. Narain Chand Majhi. Shri Kumar Parikh, Shri Rasiklal Malaviya, Shri K. D. Partap Singh, Shri Malhotra, Shri Inder J. Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat Mallanna, Sbri K. Patel, Shri Ramubhai Manda], Shri Jagdish Narain Patil, Shri Anantrao Mandal, Sbri Yamuna Prasad Patil. Shri E. V. Vikhe Marandi. Shri Iswar Patil, Shri S. B. Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray Pillai, Shri R. Balakrishna Mehta, Shri P. M. Pradhan, Shri Dhan Shah Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram Puny, Shri M. S. Mishra. Shri Bibhuti Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Shaft Mishra, Shri G. S. Radhakrishnan, Shri S. Mishra, Shri Jagannath Raghu Ramaiah, Shri K. Mishra. Shri L. N. Raj Bahadur, Shri Miara, Shri S. N Raju, Shri M. T. Modak, Shri Bijoy Ram Dhan, Sbri Modi, Shri Shrikishan Ram Prakash, Shri Mohammad Tahir, Shri Ram Sewak, Ch. Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Ram Surat Prasad, Shri Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder Ram Swarup, Shri 343 Constitution MAY 29, 197? C o n s u m e (31st A m dt) Bttl (3ht Amk ) Bill Ran#, Shri M B Shambhu Nath, Shrt Rao, Shrimati B. Radhabai A. Shankar Dayal Singh, Sbri Rao. Shn Jagannath Shankar Dev, Shn Rao. Or K L Shankaranand, Shii B Rao, Shri M S Sanjeevi Sharma, Dr H. P Rao, Shn Nageswara Sharma, Shn Madhoram Rao, Shn P Ankinecdu Parasada Sharma, Shi i Nawal Ktshore Rao, Shri Pattabhi Rama Sharma Sbri R N Rao, Dr. V K R Varadaraia Sharma, Dr Shankar Dayal Rathia, Shn Umed Singh Shashi Bhushan. Shn Raut, Shn Bhota Shastri, Shri Ramavatar Ravi, Shn Vayalar Shastri, Shri Sheopujan Reddi, Shri P Antony Sher Singh, Shn Reddy. Shn B. N Sheity, Shn K K Reddy, Shn M Ram Gopal Siunde. Shn Annasaheb P. Reddy, Shri P Narwimha Shiva Chandika, Shri Reddy, Shn P V Shivappa, Shri N Reddy, Shi i Y Eswara Shivanath Smgh, Shn Richhama, Dr Govind Das Shukla, Shn Vidya Charan Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila Siddayya Shn S M Roy, Shri UisJiwanath Siddheslmar Prasad, Shn Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri Singh Shn V N P Sadiiu Ram, Shn Smha, Shri Dharam Bir Saha, Shn A|it Kumar Sinha, Shn R. K Saha, Shn Gadadhar Sohan I a) Shri 1 Saini, Shn Mulki Raj Sokhi, Shn Swaran Singh Sait, Shn Ebrahim Sulaiman Soianki, Shri Somthand Samanta, Shri S C Sonar, Dr A G Sambhali, Shri Ishaq Stephen Shri C M Sankata Prasad, Dr Subramaniam, Shn C Sant Bux Smgh, Shn Sudarsanam, Shn M Sarkar, Shn Sakti Kumar Sunder Lai, Shn Sathe, Shri \ asant Surendra Pal Singh, Shn Savitri Shvam, Shrimati Suryanarayana, Shri K Sayeed, Shn P M Swaminathan, Shn R V Sen, Dr Ranen Swamy, Shn Sidrame&hwar Sethi, Shri Arjun Swaran Singh, Shri Serhlyan, Shn Swatantra, Shri Teja Singh Sbafquat Jung, Shn Swell. Shn O G. Sbahnawaz Khan. Shri Tayyab Hussain Khan, Shri Shaiiani, Shn Chandra Tiwari. Shri R G 34$ Cotvtfhiaion JYAISTHA t. 1194 (SAKA) 346 (Vtt. Amdt.) Bill Tiwary, Shri K. N. 11.28 hr*.

Tula Ram, Shri CONSTITUTION (THIRTY-SECOND Tulsiram, Shri V. AMENDMENT) BILL Utkey, Sbri M. C. MR. SPEAKER : Legislative Business Uiaganambi, Shri R. P. No. 10. Unnikriahnan, Shri K. P. Vekaria, Shri THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND Venkatasubbaiah, Shn P CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE): Verma, Shri Balgovind I beg to move : Vrema, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad "That the Bill further to amend Vijay Pal Singh, Shri the Constitution of India, be taken Vikal, Shri Ram Chandra into consideration.'1 Viswanathan Shri G. The Kerala Land Reforms Act, 1963 Yadav, Shri Chandrajtt is the principal land reform law in tbe Yadav, Shri Karan Smgh State of Kerala and was included in tbe Yadav, Shri R P Ninth Schedule to the Constitution by Zuffiquar Ali Khan, Shn the Constitution (Seventeenth Amendment) Act, 1964. In the Course of implementa- tion, the State Government faced aerioua NOES practical difficulties and to overcome them, that Act was extensively amended by tbe lalji tihai, Shri Kerala Land Reforms (Amendment) Act, Mody, Shn Piloo 1969 and the Kerala Land Reforms (Amendment) Act, 1971. Nayak, Shri Baksi Patel, Shn H M Certain crucial provisions of the prin- cipal Act as amended were challenged in the High Court of Kerala creating a cli- MR. SPEAKER : The result* of the mate of uncertainty in the effective division n : Ayes- 286; Noes- 4. implementation of land reforma in tbe State. Although the High Court of The motion is carried by a majority of Kerala has generally up'ield the scheme of the total membership of the House and land reforms envisaged in the principal by a majority of not less than two-thirds Act as amended, a few vital provision* of the members present and voting. thereof, like section* 29A (bar of proceed- ings under Chapter XII of the Code of 7he motion was adoped. Criminal Procedure in certain cases), 32 (bar of suits for eviction, etc., pending application for determination of fair rent), MR. SPEAKER : The Constitution 45A (adjustment of rent appropriated), Amendment Bill, as amended, is passed. SOA (2) (conferment of fishing right* on a tenant being a Varamdar), 73 (scaling down of arrears of rent) and Explanation ♦The following Member* also recorded their vote* for AYES : Sarvsbrj M. Ankineedu, Y. S. Mahajan, Diaen Bhattacharyya and Shrimati Surbhadra Joshi. 347 C onstitution MAY 39,1*7* Constitution 348 (32nd Anm dt.) BUI (52nd Anmdt.) Bill [Shri H, R. Gokhale] With these words, 1 coram«od the R{)1 to 8ection 86 (1) (commutation of ceiling for the consideration of the House, area in certain cases), have been struck down by the High Court. MR. SPEAKER: Motion m oved:

The judgement of the Kerala High "That the Bill further to amend Court has substantially been upheld by the Constitution of India, be taken the Supreme Court also with the result into consideration.” that most of those provisions which were struck down by the Kerala High Court also SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA remain struck down by the Supreme Court. (Serampore): Mr. Speaker, Sir, while Now, the striking down of these provisions supporting the Bill, 1 want to make a few has, as f have already mentioned, created comments on it. serious difficulties in the implementation of the Act and, that is why, to validate The Bill has been brought when the these provisions, it was found necessary Members from Kerala transcending party to propose this amendment to the Consti- differences warned the Centre against the tution so as to include these two Acts in possible militant form of mass struggle if the Ninth Schedule of the Constitution. the Kerala Land Reforms Act was not accorded a constitutional protection In view of the judgments pronounced against the inroads of judiciary. Even by the Kerala High Court and the our leader, Shri A. K Gopalan, had to Supreme Court, it is feared that there will come here and to take your permission, be far reaching adverse effects on the Sir to make a dhama here on the demand implementation of the programme of land for the inclusion of the Kerala Land reforms in the State of Kerala and thousands Reforms Act in the Ninth Schedule. of tenants and Kudikidappukars will be adversely effected by the provisions of the After all, the Government has come Act which have been either struck down forward with the Constitution Amend- or rendered ineffective. ment Bill for the inclusion or the Kerala Land Reforms Act in the Ninth Schedule. It is also apprehended that certain obser- In this respect, I would like to say that vations of the Supreme Court made in its the Government had to bow down to the judgment may open the flood-gates of liti- will of the Kerala people for which a gation much to the detriment of thousands movement is continuously being carried Kudikidappukars who will not be able to on since the very passing of the Kerala defend themselves in protracted legal Land Reforms Act. proceedings. In order that the implemen- tation of land reforms in the State of Kerala may not be jeopardised, it is In this connection, I may refer to the considered necessary to give protection letter written by Shri A. K. Gopalan to under article 31B of the Constitution to you, Sir. On 12th of this month, before the Kerala Land Reforms (Amendment) making a dhama on this demand, Mr. A. Act, 1969 and the Kerala Land Reforms K. Gopalan wrote to you that almost all (Amendment) Act, 1971. For this purpose the political parties in the Kerala, includ- It Is proposed to include these Acts in the ing the coalition, had been demanding Ninth Schedule to the Constitution, so with one v ice the inclusion of the Kerala that they may have the protection under Land Reform* Act in the Ninth Schedule. article 31B and any uncertainly or doubt That is why the Kerala Assembly pasted a that may arise In regard to the validity of unanimous Resolution asking the Central those Acts is removed. Government to include the Kerala Land 349 Constitution JYAISTHA t, 1894 (SAKA) Cotutlmkm 350 (32nd Amndt.) BlU (32nd Amndu) Bill Reforms Act, 1969 in the Ninth Schedule affairs that Is prevailing there now. It of the Constitution. was estimated by the Government that there would be at least 2i lakh acres of In the same letter, he also referred surplus land for distribution. Now the that on 9th May a memorandum signed by Government itself says that the surplus almost all the M.Ps. from Kerala present may be to the naximum of 8,000 acre*. in Delhi was submitted to the Prime Bat the landlords have declared only 281 Minister by a delegation of M.Ps. acres as surplus, So, even now a strong demanding immediate action to restore movement is going on for which Shri A. the validity of sections of the Act struck: K. Gopalan is in jail. All the parties who down by the Supreme Court, that is, to are tor the early implementation of these indude the Act in the Ninth Schedule of land reforms are united and are the Constitution Why was there so carrying on a struggle for the declaration much of hesitation on the part of the of the rights of the landless peasants Government ? At least to me, the only on the surplus land. explanation as I can see or any reasona- bly thinking person can see is that the The police from Trivandrum informed Congress Party today is torn between two you that Shri A. K. Gopalan was taken conflicting aims and two groups of people. into custody because of trespass What is One group thinks that in their own trespass, Sir ? It was surplus land, and interest and in the interest of consolida- Shri Gopalan and the other volunteers tion of power, radical reforms must be entered that land only to help the Gover- implemented But the old dead weight of nment so that the landlords may be forced landlords and rich peasants represented in to declare it as surplus. That is why the the ruling Party would not like that. The movement is going on. Even the Coalition Prime Minivter is a shrewd politician and Government, our Right friends,—the understands the power structure. There- Chief Minister, Shri Achutha Menon-— fore, she does not want to upset the power have termed it as land grabbing movement. structure In Kerala, a very serious situ- What is land grabbing, Sir ? The landlords ation has arisen because the High Court has were grabbing the land for times imme- struck down a number of important provisi- morisl . . . (Interruption) My bon. friend, ons of the Land Reforms Amendment Act Mr. Stephen, thinks that by this move- of 1969, and the Supreme Court recently ment all the landless peasants are combin- upheld the High Court’s decision. As a ing together and that is why be is worried. result of this, the whole situation in The poorer sections have understood by Kerala was facing a serious crisis. The this time that inclusion of this in the development of the situation in Kerala is Ninth Schedule is a step forward, but also a lesson in respect of land reforms. merely including it will not do. But only inclusion of the Land Reforms Act in the Many people have the idea that only by Ninth Schedule will not do. Implementa- bringing,lqgislation and by the bureaucratic tion is the main thing and during the 2| machinery land reforms can be implemen- years what is your experience ? Your ted. But here is an example in Kerala Government was there and still it j| there. which you have to take. Simply by bring- ing legal provisions and through the It Is not a fact that all the clauses were existing bureacratic machinery, you cannot struck down by the High Court or the implement unless organised and united Supreme Court. £ven the little scope movement of peasants and landless that was there was not implemented. labourers is behind the implementation. That is why the Achutha Menon Ministry That Is why. in spite of the Kerala jUmd came forward stating that it is a land* Reforms Act, we find she state of grabbing movement. We say that it la JM* 351 C onttim iom MAY 29,1972 Com liiuuon 352 {32nd Anmdt.) Bill (32nd Amndt.) BtU (Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya] sought to be included in the Ninth Sche- a land-grabbing movement. It is only to dule. It has so Happened in the meanwhile establish the right* of tbe landless peasants that two sections, in the old Act which are oo the surplus lands of the big land* not coveted by the amendments have been bolder* that the movement is going on struck down by the Supreme Court. In and also against the high prices of certain spite of the fact that the old Act is part of commodities. Mr. Stephen made a the Ninth Schedule,two sections, viz.. Sec. strong plea only tbe other day in regard 32 and Sec. 85 have been struck down by to the eocoanut prices which are going the Supreme Court. 1 would like to know down, but the prices or other things which what exactly the legal position would be. are used by the common poor peasants Now the present amendment will not cure and the poor people have gone up. So, the position the Supreme Court judgment against this situation there is a movement makes in spite ol tbe amendment to the and lakhs of people have gathered before Constitution that we have accepted. The launching this movement. There was a con* Golak Nath case decision seems to have vention in Cochin just after Shrimati Indira prevailed. I am only mentioning it so that Gandhi visited there. It was a convention 1 may get a clarification from him. The of the peasantry to force, to pressurise the two sections which have been struck down Government and to force the landlords are preventing the civil court from inter- to declare their surplus. This convention fering and preventing the Magistrate from was held wherein lakhs of people assem- interfering during the pendency of any land bled and after that, from the 25tb of this reform case before the Land Tribunal. month the movement has started and for Whether it can be restored, that is all I that Shri A. K. Gopalan is in jail. wanted to ask.

My point is this that by this time the Now, my friend, Mr. Bhattacharyya, people have learnt this thing that without was speaking about somebody compelling united pressure and a movement, a mili- the Government of India to bring forward tant form of movement, the Und reforms these amendments. I have absolutely no Act, whatever it may be, in spite of all quarrel with him in entertaining the illu- pious wishes of the Government and the sion that it is by the compulsion he or some ruling Party, will only remain a dead letter body exercised on the Government that this and unless and until tbe peasantry unite amendment has been brought. and start a movement to seize the surplus land, no real land reforms can be effected. But the facts are really clear; the con- gress policy has all along been clear. It is With these words, I fully support this a very inspiring thing to remember that the Bill. very first amendment to the Constitution, the first Constitution Amendment, was SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattu- specifically for the purpose of incorporating puzha) : Before I proceed to deal with tbe the ninth schedule in the Constitution and merits, I would like to bring to the notice for incorporating land laws in that ninth of the Minister an Important fact which, I schedule. That took place as far back as am afraid, might not have been noted by in June, 1951 and there was no pressurise* him. tion from anybody. Subsequently two Now, Entry 39 of tbe Ninth Schedule more amendments have come for that pur- is the Land Reforms Act 1964. The pre- pose and the fourth amendment was there sent Act which we are trying to include in oo 2KHALB : Ndt ^ it- of the matter is that the sectkxuwfaich ' pone; a longer dlKiisslon is not n e c e s s a r y . : 3S7 O r m ltu tto n JYAISTHA 6,1894 (SAKA) Const Hutbn 398 Q 2hd Am ndt.) B ffl (32nd Amndt.) BlU Mil. SPEAKER; What I meant was nation which came to power in Kerala that after four speeches—I think it will tried to implement the land reforms. The take another half an hour—I will put the first support we got was from the Marxist motion to the vote at 3.80, so that all party, but I do not know whether it can be the Members will know that the described as support, because, just now voting will be at 3.30. After that we Mr. Bhattacharyya said that merely by will take up this item on land ceiling enacting a certain legislation no serious which is already there and which was land reform measures can be brought fixed for 2 p. m. Now, we will take it up about. It may be so, because of the at 3.30 or nearabout till the list Is exhaus- influence of that theory. When the Kerala ted. After that, if time permits, we will Government decided to implement the take the half-hour discussion. Instead of land reforms and decided to implement the adjourning at 6.30, we might continue for reform qaickly, my friends from the another hour or so if need be. Shri Marxist Party decided to launch a massive Chandrappan. movement, as we was described by them, to grab the 10 cents of land which were SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN (Tellj. given legally, which were offered to the cherry): Mr Speaker, Sir, I am very happy poor hatment dwellers. Of course, even to support this Constitution (Amendment) the Marxists sympathisers were not Bill moved by the Government. While responding that call. It was very poorly supporting this But, I would like to say a responded, and that movement, as they few words- not a very long speech—about described, fizzled out. Now, it fc the certain things mentioned by my friend, Kerala Government who are distributing Shri Bhattacharyya from the Marxist party to tens of thoushnds of people in the and also by my friend, Shri|Stephen, from hutment areas. Ten cents of land each the ruling Congress party. It was not a to more then four lakhs of people were story of a long past. In this Parliament, given by the Keiala Government. While a few weeks ago, a private Member’s Bill that step was taken, the Marxist party was discussed, and just on the eve of the again gave a call, “ Do not accept this 10 discussion, we have seen very clearly cents of land which is given by the Kerala what a hesitancy was there on the other Government.” ' ‘it is rather revisionist to side in taking a decision. The hon. Home accept land offered by a bourgeoisie Minister was trying to find excuses. While government; so, grab the land and exer- Mr. Stephen was arguing that the Bill cise your right." But nobody responded to amend the Constitution should be to that, and the implementation of the brought before this House, the hon. Mini* land reforms measures was going on quite ster from that side said it is not necessary smoothly. Then came the high court judg- and that there is already some ordinance 15 hrs ment. Before the judgement of there which can protect the interests of the Kerala High Court came almost the Kerala kisans or the poor peasants three years ago. there was also history. But there. It is something which happened Mr. Stephen traces history only from 1963 only two weeks before. Now, Mr. A. K. when Congress Ministers in Kerala enact- Gopalan is in jail. He is trying to get the ed Kerala land reforms. What happened land reform measures implemented quick, in 1959 ? in 1859, the first comprehensive ly. But what I say is, as Mr Stephen just land reform measures were intro- now mentioned, the Marxists were respon- duced in the Kerala legislature by the sible lor bringing this legislation and then communsit Ministry and it was the getting it passed in the Kerala legislature old Congress which opposed it clause by in 1969. Soon after that, they resigned clause. When it was sent for Presidential and went away. The new political combi- assent, it was taken to the Supreme Court. 359 Const ftutto* MAY *9,1972 Constitution 366 (32nd Amndt,) Bill (32nd Amndt,) Bill [Shri C. K. Chandrappan] Kerala is a State where of feudalism has That was the Congress in those days. been abolished. Government is serious Maybe one should not find fault with Mr. in implementing land reform, in faot more Stephen for that but then he should not serious than Mr Gopalan’s party in sajr that history began only from 1963. implementing land refcrm as quickly That past had its effect on the Congress as possible Measures are taken This party whose position was reduced to near step by the Marxist party will help only zero in 1967 elections, with nine seats the reactionaries and landlords and those Today the Congress has changed, the ruling who are against the implementation of Congress is a partner in the coalition and the land reforms. Merely by courting they are »uppoiting the land reform arrest and merely by going and occupying measures. Here in the Congress heirarchy, a certain portion of a land, you cannot I say there is a lobby of kulaks sitting pretend yourself and you cannot arrogate with them which Mr. Stephen is opposing > ourself to that position. You are not the Radical land refit ms in ihe State* are not angel to implement the land reforms and opposed by all of the Members sating on you have not descended from heaven that side. 1 am saving that there are some You cannot take that position Members who do so (Interruptions.) I am not accusing all of them of that I The reality in Kerala today is something have all admiration for Mr. Stephen and different 1 he Government and the large people like him who are todaj supporting majouty of the population there, irres- radical land reform measures But there pective of their party affiliations, are was some hesitation (or the ruling paiiy supporting the implementation of land to bring forward a constnuticnal amend reforms It is already being implemented ment three years ago. It was not the fault in a big way. I do not say every thing of tic ippcsiiun panics that measures is perfect Something may be lagging weierot taken lam happy that they this way or that way. But, to a great extent, ha\e overcome that hesitation and decided land reform has been implemented The to amtnd tl e Counstiiution Constitution is being amended to give constitutional protection to the land Shri A K. Gopalan is not here He legislation tn Kerala which was challenged says he wants to get the land reforms in Supreirc Court as well as m Kerala implemented quickly, he has gone to jail. High Court It was an attempt to stage But 1 should moke it t'ear that this a counter revolution with the help of the movement was described by my friend judiciary I am very happy that the Shri Bhattacharyya as being accused Government is moving a Constitutional as the land grab movement 1 do not Amendment Bill by which that attempt of accuse so A few years before there was counter revolution will be forestalled. a mo\ement led by the kisan sabha and khet mazdoor union and the CPI all 1 support this Bill over the country asking for radical land reform. Peasants and landless people MR SPEAKER Shn Vayalar Ravi. came foreward tn tens of thousands and occupied the lards of the landlords It SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chiravinkil). was at that ume in this House that Mr. 1 am veiy happy to support this Bill Umanath, a member of the Marxist Party accused that it *as revisionist action and MR SPEAKER : Mr. Ravi, is it all by along with him these the tight 1st forces surprise ? said it was a land grab movement Today Mr A K. Gopalan is doing the same SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Sir, I am Kind of thing There is a difference talking about Kerala land reforms only. 361 Constitution JYAISTHA 8, 1494 {SAKA) Constitution 262 (32nd Amndt) Bill (32nd Amndt,) Sill MR. SPEAKER: You cab come forward bility for laod reforms. Now it has become add make your speech. an issue throughout the country as to how far we can go. We could not get more of SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I have great surplus land because of the many except* pteasirre in extending ray support to the ions that are made. It is true that in the Bilt. Kerala land legislation there were some loopholes. The Kerala Government Came It is trUe, during the last few weeks, forward to plug the loopholes. That the House witnessed uprorious scenes was the provocation for the Government regarding the inclusion of the Kerala Land of India to suggest some changes. Now Reforms Act into the Ninth Schedule. the Kerala Government has agreed to the I do not want to take more time in suggestions made from here. So, I agrumentwith my friends—either with welcome the stand taken by the Central Mr. Chandrappan or with Mr. Bhatta- Government to include this in the Nifath charyya, as to whom the credit must go. Schedule. It is true, all the progressive movements in the country, including the Congress, were SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR always in the fore*front to introduce or (Quilon): Sir, I want to congratulate the implement land reforms in the country. Minister for Law without any reservations. It is true I hope my friends on the other The saying goes “ Better late than never.” side may not disagree with me—that the I do not want to go back on what prompt* Congress has always taken a radical ed the minister or induced him to demur or approach to land reforms. But I have to hesitate in bringing the Bill earlier. Now concede that many States, or majority of that it has come, I do not want to mono- States, could not implement land reforms. polise the credit for it, as has been attemp- Even in the Five Year Plans, they have ted by Mr. Bhattacharyya on the one side, not given any importance to this. I can by Mr. Stephen on the other side and by also assert that in most States lands Mr. Chandrappan the third side. remained with rich people. But, only after the Third Plan onwards, the SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : Government has given serious thought There must be a movement first. over the matter of land reforms. SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAlR : It Also, when we look into the figures for is an open fact that in the old Congress implementation of land legislation—I am of the earlier days all of us - whether it is afraid I cannot say it is land implement- Mr. A. K. Gopalan or Mr. E. M. S. ation because only a few States have Namboodiripad or myself all of us were implemented land reforms—in many States, there. We built it up. We built up the the surplus land made available was not kisan and labour movements. So, it is not much. For example in Madhya Pradesh, for me to be touchy when they say that the where land legislation was brought forward Congress imitated the peasant revolt in a few years ago, the surplus land came those days because I was in the Congress Only to 50.000 hectares. One of the and most of the leftist leaders present io " biggest States in the country could pro- the House and outside in the country were vide only 50,000 hectares of surplus land. in the Congress. So* it is not a question This Show bow the land legislation is of claiming credit. What about the Mopla defective and how the States have faded to rebellion ? That was the first Concerted Ittipterbtai land informs. The Chief Mini- attempt to fight the land hierarchy brought sters’ conference was held in 1969, 1970. in by the British rai on the lines of the 197* and eVen in 1972. In 1969, 1970 and feudal laws in Britain and other European 195% Ministers could not come countries. From that time onwards, bur to a conclusion and Sake up the responsi- people have been agitating. So, he need 363 CotntiMioti MAY 39* IW2 (32nd <4mndt.) 0iU {32*d <****«) m i [Shri N.Sn&kaatsm Nair] Asi-said, better

I am referring to the Ordinance. It is When theJCamlaAct was amended in not brought in this Ninth Schedule. So, *970*71, a number of landlords and while the Bill may get protection the Jtylafcs.weot to the High Court and the Ordinance would not get any protection. Supreme*Court. The High Court struck Therefore, I am humbly stating where the dpw»>£Crtain provisions. They went in government tfand* where the people m od appeal to the the Supreme Court. There and what we havp trying to do. If the were aho certain orfetotlpetsttas before courts challenge this ordinance, then nature- 4 * s«*wme Coprt» Tbatooort a ls p s im k ily there should be another amendment downsome other ^provisions. Mow we to bring this also into the Ninth Schedule. have*© save the and It 3ft? Omm tm tm * JYAISTHA t, C o m im u m 366 02*djMuk,hm (32nd Anrndf.) Bin k tU fijrtttfc' «ave tfcetth Bverthougfc wr srafr i xwr % v m m we ***l*io*tn g‘thcBieraJe JL#nd Reform s Actuator dto Htath Schedule, the’Gwtse I fa vrftf *> tf«njjr sr^r ftw have «kMl tho Stttw O owM wat to make w r* i j?i sN» certain amendtnenwnow. They mw going ssr H ifo $ ^rsrr sno| % to be amendment* to the preeent Bitt. Supposeafter w ihm pM thieenaot- m f a « R « T f I m efitinthe Ntoth Schedule, thte Ieg«la- tlodi*' amtttdod, will It also get the MR. SPEAKER : Shri Ebrahim proteetfonof thw N inth Schedule ? 1 am Sulaitnan Sait. afraid, it will have to come to Parliament again to be brought under the Ninth SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT Schedule. The Minister will ha«e to clarify (Kozhikode): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am very thUpeHtH1. happy to support the Constitution (Thirty- second Amendment) Bill for which the two My bon. friend, Shci Balakrishna Acts of Kerala Legislature—the Keraln Flltal baa given notice of an amendment, Land Reforms Act 1969 and 1971—I have which I think it a very important one. been brought under Ninth Schedule. 1 am Hefeu asked Parliament to include the happy that actually my State of Kerala Kerala. Private* Forests (Vesting and Asaig* has set a very good example for the other ning) A ct, 1971 in tbe Ninth Schedule. States to fellow as far as enactment of I understand that the Kerala Government this progressive agrarian reform is conccr- t have also asked 4he Centre to include this ned. It goes a long way to help the in the Ninth Sebedutau Sir, without waiting poor. By enactment of those laws by the for another amendment and then to brim Kerala Assembly and also by inclusion in forward Constitution Amendment Bill, Ninth Schedule by this Parliament to>day I think theGovernment-should accept thie thousands and thousands of poor tenents amendment and include Kecala Private have become land.owners to-day and also Forests Act in this measure. lakhs and lakhs hut dwellers have become the owners of their huts in Kerala. There- vftvsvr ftffflflr ittfoft (wrrftr* fore, I consider to be a very progressive measure and this Act was passed in the «nc): aft, t ws firfcra? m Kerala Assembly with the support of my fa * w fi gin g i f« party. When all the parties here adopted this progressive measure, Muslim League fM to# % Ir also deserve equal credit together with our H fW R *WJ[ colleague* and the Kerala Indian National swwr f t m «rr v q t fc i Congress, C. P. 1., R. S. P. and the test. Therefore, I say, actually not oaly Muslim firftr*r sfaff % 64 vr^ff League now but in the past days, it was vt sr*w v r 3% 11 vtf * ft the Muslims who fought the rebellions ( fir against British domination and also tor agrarian reforms in thie country. t f w y n

Srr, before concluding 1 would request # t r w % ^ * w p w r f the Central Government to give financial % w* ^fNpnr **!«& vt a 16 to the Government of Kerala for the imptamentfttion of land reforms to that tbe proper compensation may be paid to ( W ■rW lffllW W iw fffW $» tlw poor land-ownet*. it is the poo* i*ad> *1^ .J. -j. » » t* . mm * tU HWWf »cp owners bavjrg small piece of lend who 367 Constitution MAY 29* f f l Constitution 368 (32nd Amndt.) Bill (32nd Amndt.) Bili [Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait] Reforms Act of 1969 as a modteAck But are suffering the most, Therefore, they that was not done. The Tamil Nadu need all the support of the Government Government have taken this Act a as far as the financial aid is concerned. model Act and have began with the imple- mentation of land reforms. But many of I am happy, although this provision had the Chief Ministers haveaot dqne it. In been objected to by the Supreme C o u rt- spite of the repeated acceptance and recog* progressive in the agrarian field, in the field mtion of the Government of India, the of land reform, the Government ol India Government of India weie reluctant to has come forward to remedy this defect by include this in the Ninth Schedule of the including this Act in the Ninth Schedule. Constitution. I welcome this and 1 hope other States will follow suit and then there will be some I am not going to make a political kind of land reform in other States. That speech here for giving the credit as to who wilt go a long way to help the masses of is responsible lor bringing forward this the country* Bill. By representing the Kerala Congress Party 1 am cure of one thing and that is M&. SPEAKER : Mr. Balakrishna that without Congress party and without PiHai, wiH you tike to speak now or at a the Central administration, nobody can later stage ? implement it. So, the credit at least goes to the Central Government which is con* SHRI BALAKRISHNA PILLA1 trolled by the Indian National Congress (MaveHfc&ra) t i shall speak now and then to include this Act in the Ninth Schedule I shall formally mjve an amendment. of the Constitution. That is to be accep- Sir, 1 am supporting this amendment ted by ail. to the Constitution to include two Acts related to land reforms passed by the Again, 1 may point out that this was Kerala Legislature —in 1969 and 1971 included in the Ninth Schedule in 1964. respectively. In this connection, I would like to remind the House that the then revenue Minister, i congratulate the Government for Mr. P. T. Checko, was responsible for showing such a goodwill even though it is br inging forward this legislation and belated, i do not know why the Govern- getting it passed and he presurised the ment wet reluctant to include this Act in Central Government to include it then in the Ninth Schedule of the Constitution even the Ninth Schedule i.e. in 1964. 1 want after repeated requests from all political to remind you about Mr. Chacko’s adven- parties who were in ttie Opposition and ture for having brought this legislation. also who were controlling the Government He was responsible for including this in from 1969 upto this time. 1 do not know the Ninth Schedule of the Constitution ia why that attitude was taken by the Govern- 1964. meat, rhe Kerala Assembly has already unanimously passed a Resolution to Now, coming to certain Sections (a include these two Acts in the Ninth the Act—I am not going imp defile—for Schedule of the Constitution, fiut it had example, the High Court and the Supreme not been done. Court have struck down, certain provisions in relation to Kudikidappukarp, 1. e. the I would like to mention one tiling hut-dwellers.' AH the municipality aureas more, la 1969, our Prime Minister, have been exempted by Ilia Supreme Court* Shrimati Indira Gandhi, asked ail the That meant thousands and iakh* of Chief Ministers to begin with lat»d reform Kudjkidappukars may not get the ityht measures by adopting the Kerala U nd of ownership of theft fanta and alio the 369 C om tiM lon JYAISTHA 8.1894 (SAXA) C onstitution 370 (32nd Amndt.) BUI (32nd Amndt,) Bill land on which they a t * residing and which land, as it was intended in the original worn given to them by the Government Act. (Interruption) Some other backwards through the Act of 1969. So* this sections may also come in and the priority Kudikidappukarj is one of the biggest will not be (here. That is the difficulty. problem. These municipalities and pancha- If it has a wide range, then the poor yats are very much interconnected. There landless agricultural labourers may not is oot much of difference between the get the iand. That is the problem. two in our State. Kerala is a village alto* gether. But certain portions are declared Then I want to say a few words about as municipalities. That is all. So, these my amendment. Some vested interests are Kudikidappukars, the hut dwellers, may against the natioalisation of private forest not get their right of ownership. So, that in our State and the question is before the particular Section will cause damage to High Court and the Supreme Court. thousands and lakhs of Kudikidappukars Sooner and later, we will have to amend if that is not included in the Ninth the Constitution to include the Kerala Schedule. Private Forests Nationalisation Act also. I Then, there is another amendment would, therefore, request the hon. Minister motivated by the Central Government to not to give any impetus to the vested promulgate an Ordinance* I think, that interests; he may kindly accept my amend- might have been promulgated at this ment and include this Act also in the time by the Kerala State Government. Ninth Schedule now so that there may What is that Orduuuce ? Section 16, sub- not be any difficulty after the verdict of section (i> is about the distribution of the Supreme Court. surplus land to Harijans. They were given With these words, I support the Bill. the right to get So per cent of the surplus land. They were included in the category of persons to whom the surplus land ifwrcr r was to be distributed. They are ail agricultural labourers. But, here, the «nr %fa* tfU % * * Central Government is insisting to take irjrarriT % 'TT fa away that right given to tne courts to the Christian Community. They are also socia- qrrsf % ate* % lly and economiclly backward people. The qifarife srrcr *wr * only thing is that they owe their allegiance *rr$?rr g f a to a particular religion. They have con* *T5i?r 1 1 n fa $ j a n # % » verted themselves to Christianity. That is a fact. But their economic and social srfor % tftew * backwardness is there. The only thing is *rr srret s i t that on Sundays, they go to a Church and sw ot n t s r f tn not to a temple. But they are there. Their right was unanimously accepted by the m w ar eft % *rfmx *r s fs re State Legislature. That is now being taken % arm ssft * i 3r* «rrft*r away by the Central Government. Our Government also, due to the pressure of 3fT?fV ?ft % srcrc it fa the Central Government, is promulgating f t | an Ordioance to this effect. W fa q far? wr% i %* I would request the hon. Minister. Shr! $qrgi'rc f'fa Gokhale, not to interfere with this and crws % faim rr t v % t w that these Christian converts also may be given the fight of taking 50 per cent of the 371 Constitution MAY 29,1972 Constitution 372 (32nd Amndt.) Bill) (32nd Amndt.) Bill hon, friend that he has missed the main [~T~lf 0 ~rlfll')qT~ ~~')] point in raising the argurnen t. Section 85 SI''fiH ~ qTo wr ~ro ~r~o 'fiT (I) was amended by the 1969 Amendment o~ ~ lif;\?:f;;fT ~r ~ f1f; 'firna it Act; only the exp'anation was not amended ~~crr~ ~'h:fCf1:~qcn~T~ I ~

a~T 'd'a'fiTo)~T "frar~, Iifi";~ ~flf 'fiT The other thing that was raised was «)~r were forced to do this and that Court which we suggested ought to be otherwise >we are unwilling to do this is amended, was the provision which was i without inundation. really the cause of all mischief and that provision expressly permitted transfers by way of partition on account of love Some reference was made by some and affection. If there was a partition on members to the amendments which the the ground that we are brothers or on the Central Government has .suggested to ground that we are relatives, that transfer the Kerala Government. I may say was expressly protected under their Act. that there has been an absolute misappre- We pointed out that in the implementa- hension with regard to what we have tion of the land reforms measure these proposed to the Kerala Government for partitions are really the souroe of mischief. their consideration and on which, after Why do the hon. Members while criticising a lot of discussion, they were also per* the Government not point out this? suaded to accept our point of view While making concrete suggestions, be and they have accepted it and are on also pointed out to them where the the point of issuing an ordinance if an source of mischief lay. ordinance was not already issued to* day. SHRI N. SREBKANTAN MAIR: I have pointed it out. A reference was made to special protection being given to converts to SHRI H. R. GOKHALB: This was Christianity from Scheduled Castes. not pointed out that this was really the What I felt was that, apart from the source of mischief and it was at our fact that it is discriminatory between instance that the Kerala Government converts to Chrictisnity and converts to has accepted the position that there was other religions, there is no reason for really a defect in their Act. making a special protection only to converts to Christianity when there have been converts to other religions also. Now according to them, they did not What was pointed out was that this was bring it to us for including it to the not in consonance with the usual under* Ninth Schedule and we pointed out that standing of the Scheduled Castes’ posi- if you really want to give effect to this tion. That has been the position taken measure as a genuine land reform measure, so far and that has been the policy of the you should also amend this. Therefore, Government and, in any case, the attitude taken by the Central Govern- this has been the position and we act - ment has all along been constructive, not ually pointed out to them a way out, to come in the way of the implementa- {Interruptions) We said that if you wanted tion of the Land Reforms Act. There to acheve the purpose which you want to has been no delay in the sente that achieve, then we will allow yon to make these wan any hesitation on the part of an amendment by saying that you will the Government to inclued this Act. be able to treat socially and economic As I said, the judgment itself striking ally backward classes and that amend- down the Act came on the 28 th or 20th ment, we suggested and on our sugges- April. Now it is hardly possible to jay .that tion, they have accepted that amend- there was delay on our part in bringing ment. this measure before this House. 373 CmaHMnton MAY 29.1972 Constitution m (32nd Amndt.) Bill (32nd Amndt.) Bill IShri H. R. Gokhale] Once again. I thank the hon. Mem* Most of the points have been dealt ber for supporting this Bill. with. Now that the hon, Member has MR. SPEAKER ; Before I put the also referred to an amendment which be motion to the vote of the House, I wish has proposed. I must point out that I to say, this being a Constitution Amend- am not in a position to accept this ment Bill, the voting by the House has amendment. First of all, the Act which to be by Division. he wants to bring in, the Act dealing with the forests, has not been struck down by Let the lobbies be cleared— the court. It is true that it is an Act, litigation with regard to which is pend- The lobbies have been cleared. ing in the High Court and Supreme Court. But I think it will be appro- The question i s : priate if I give an analogy to show as to what happens if we act only on “ That the Bill further to amend apprehensions. When the two Acts which the Constitution of India, be taken we are now bringing in the Ninth into consideration**. Schedule were proposed to be brought in the Ninth Schedule, the Kerala The Lok Subha divided: Government were pressing that a Third Act, the Kannan Deven (Resumption of Land) Act, 1871 also should be included. Division No. 14] [15.46 hrs. The position which we took was this. We said, let us wait for the Supreme Court judgment; as far as we can see AYES it, the Supreme Court may not strike down that Act. When the judgment came Achal Singh, Shri we said, that Act was not struck down. Afzalpurkar, Shn Dharamrao Our position became clear that we Agarwal, Shri Shrikrishna should not rush into bringing an Act in the ninth schedule and we were proved Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram to be justified in saying that we will Ahmed, Shri F. A. not bring that Act unless there is Alagesan, Shri Q- V reasonable ground for bringing it in the Ambesh, Shri Ninth Schedule. Now, 'reasonable ground* did not exist because the Supreme Ankineedu, Shri Maganti Court has cow upheld that Act even though Ansan, Shn Ziaur Rahman that Act provided for no compensation. Appalanaidu, Shri The same might be the position with regard to the Act which my friends wish Austin, Dr. Henry to bring in by way of an amendment. Awdhesh Chandra Singh, Shri After all the Government’s policy is that Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha if there is a genuine land reform Babunath Singh, Shn measure, it will be protected. Therefore, what is the obstacle in dealing with the Bahuguna. Shri H. N. situation as and when it arises ? As we Balakrishniah, Shri T. deal with it now, we can deal with it at Bancrji, Shrimati Mukul that tim e; it is premature not to accept Barua, Shri Bcdabrata this amendment and I am afraid I am oot in a position to accept It. Basappa, Shri K. $77 C o n m tm im JYAISTHA 8,1194 (SAJCA) Cm ttM m iM {32*d Aumdt.) BM {32nd Amndt.) BUI Basuroatari, Shri 0 . Dhamankar, Shri Besra, Shri S. C Dharia, Shri Mohan Bhagat, Shri fi. R. Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad Bhagat, Shri H. K. L. Dinesh Singh, Shri Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shn Dixit, Shri G. C. Bliandare, Shri R. D Doda, Shn Htralal Bhargavi Thankappan, Shrimati Dutta, Shri Bircn Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar Bhaltacharyya, Shri Dinen Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Bhaltacharyya, Shri S. P Ganesh, Shri K, R. Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu Ganga Devi, Shrimati Bharua, Shn B. S. Gangadeb, Shri P Bhuvarahan, Shn C Gautam, Shri C. D B«ht, Shri Narendra Singh Godara, Shn Mam Ram Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy Gogoi, Shn Tarun Brahmanandji, Shn Swami Goham, Shri C. C Buta Singh, Shri Gokhale, Shn H. R Chakleshwar Singh, Shri Gamango, Shri Giridhar Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsna Gopal. Shri K. Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B. Govind Das, Dr Chandrappan, Shri C. K. Gowda, Shn Pampan Chatterjce, Shn Somnath Gowder, Shri J. M Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai Guha, Shn Samar Chaudhan, Shri Amarsinh Gupta, Shn Indrajit Chaudhary, Shn Nitiraj Singh Haidar, Shri Madhuiyya Chaudhary, Shn Ishwar I laider, Shri Krishna Chandra Chavan, Shri D R Hansda, Shri Subodh Chavan, Shn Yeshwantrao Hari Kishore Singh, Shri Chawla, Shri Amar Nath Han Singh, Shri Cheilachemt, Shri A. M Hashim, Shri M. M. Chhotey Lai, Shri Ishaque, Shn A K. M Choudhury, Shri Moinui Haque Jagjiwan Ram, Shri Daga, Shri M. C. Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. Dalbir Singh, Shn Janardhanan, Shri C. Dalip Singh, Shri Jeyaiakshtni, Shrnnati V. Darbara Singh, Shri Jha, Shri Bhogaadra Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Jha, Shri Chiranjib Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. Joseph, Shri M. M. Deb, Shri Dasaratha ioshi, Shri JTaganoathrao Deo, Shri S. N. Singh Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra 379 Constitution MAY 39,1972 Constitution (32nd A*mab Hussain Khan, Shri MR. SPEAKER : The question is : liwary. Shn K. N. Tula Ram, Shri "That clause 2 sUnd part of the Tuisiram, Shri V. Bill.” Uikey, Shri M. O. The Lok Sabha divided. Ulaganambi, Shri R. P. Division Ne. 15} [15.48 hr*. Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. Vajpayee, Shri Atal Bihari AYES Vekaria, Shri Acbal Singh, Shri Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharmerao Venkatswamy, Shri O. Agrawal, Shri Shrikrishna ♦Wrongly voted for NOBS. •The following Members also recorded their votes for AYES: Sarvashri Sheopqfao Shastri, Rasiklal Parikh, N. Shivappa «nd Sbysmnsndsn Mishra. "3*5 C+ M inition JYAISTHA 8. 1894 (SAKA) ComtUut ton 386 (32nd Amndt.) Bit! (32nd Anmdt.) Bill Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh Ahmed, Shri F. A. Chaudhary, Shri Ishwar Alageean, Shri O. V. Chavan, Shri D. R. Ambeah, Sbri Chavan, Sbri Yeshwaatrao Ankineedu, Shri Maganti Chawla, Shri Amar Nath Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman Chellachemi, Shri A. M. Appalanaidu, Shri Chhotey Lai, Shri Austin, Dr. Henry Choudbury, Shri Moinul Haque Awdhesh Chandra Singh, Shri Daga, Shri M. C. Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha Dalbir Singh, Shri Babunath Singh, Shri Dalip Singh, Shri Bahuguna, Shri H. N. Darbara Singh, Shri Balakrishniah, Shri T. Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas •Banerjce, Shri S. M. Deb, Shri Dasaratha Banerji, Shrimati Mukul Deo, Shri S. N. Singh Barua, Shir Bedabrata Dhamankar, Shri Basappa, Shri K. Dharia, Shri Mohan Basumatari, Sbri D. Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad Besra. Shri S. C. Dinesh Singh, Shri Bhagat, Shri B. R. Dixit, Shri G. C. Bhagat, Shri H. K. h. Doda, Shri Hiralal Bhandarc, Shri R. D. Dutta, Shri Biien Bhargavi Thankappan, Shrimati Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar Bhatiu, Shri Raghunandan Lai Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Bhaltacharyya. Shri Dinen Ganesh, Shri K. R. Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish Ganga Devi, Shrimati Bhattacharyya, Shri S. P. Gangadeb, Sbri P. Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu Gautam, Shri C. D. Bhaura, Shri B. S. Godara, Shri Mani Ram Bhuvarahan, Shri G. Gogoi, Shri Tarun Bisht, Shri Narendra Singh Gohain, Shri C. C. Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy Gokhale, Shri H. R. Brahmanaadji, Shri Swami Go mango, Shri Giridhar But* Singh, Shri Gopal, Shri K. Ohakleshwar Singh, Shri Govind Das. Dr. Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsoa Qowda, Shri Pampan Chandra Gowda, Sbri D. B. Cbandrappan, Sbri C. K. Gowder, Sbri J. M. Cbatterjce, Shri Somnath Guba, Shri Samar C&aturvedi, Sbri Rohan Lai Gupta, Sbri Indrajit Chaudhari, Shri Amarsinh Haidar, Shri Madhuryyt

•He voted by mistake from a wroogeeet, and lalar informed the Speaker aocordingiy. 3*7 C om titutlm MAY 1 9 .1972 C e m tim iff {32nd Ammk.) Biti {32nd Amndt,) BUI Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra Kureet, Shri B. N. Haoada, Shri Subodh Lak kappa, Shri K. H ad Kishore Singh, Shri Lakshmanan, Shri T. S. Hari Siofh, Shri Lakshmikantbamma, Shrimati T Hashim, Shri M. M. Lakshminarayanan, Shri M. R. Ishaque, Shri A. K. M. Lambodar Baliyar, Shri Jagjtwan Ram, Shri Laskar, Shri Nihar Jamilurrahraan, Shri Md. Lutfai Haque, Shn Janardhaaan, ShriC. Mahajan, Shri Vtkram Jeyaiakshmj, Shrimati V. Mahajan, Shri Y. S. Jha, Shri Bbogeodra Maharaj Singh, Shri Jha, Shri Cbiranjib Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini Joseph, Shri M. M. Majhi, Shri Gajadhar Joshi. Shri Jagaonathrao Majhi, Shri Kumai Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra Maiaviya, Shri K. D. Kadam, Shri J. G. Malhotra, Shri Inder J Kadannappalli, Shri Ramachandran Malik, Shri Muklmar Singh Kadcr, Shri S. A Mailanna, Shn K. Kahandole, Shri Z. M. Mallikarjun, Shri Kailas, Dr. Mantlal, Shn Jdgdish Njrain Kakodkar, Shri Purushottam Mandal, Shn Yamuna Prasad Kakoti, Shri Robin Marar.di, Shri iswar Kamakshaiah, Shri D. Mehu, Dr. jiu a j Kamala Kumari, Kumari Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray Kamala Prasad, Shri Mehta, *Shn P. M. Kambie, Shri T. D. Mmimata, Agamdas. Shrimati Kapur, Shn Sat Pat Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram Karan Singh, Dr. Mishra, Shri Bibhuti Katbamuthu, Shri M. Misbra, Shri G. S. Kaul, Shrimati Sheila Mishra, Shn Jagannath Kavde, Shri B. R. Misbra, Shn L. N. Kedar Nath Singh, Shn Mishra, Shn Shyaranandan Khadilkar, Shri R. K. Misra, Shri S. N. Kinder Lai, Shri Modak, Shri Bijoy Kiskti, Shri A. K. Modi, Shri Shrikishau Kotofci, Shn LUadbar Mohammad lahir, Sbri Kotnksbetti. Shri A. K. Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Krisbnan, Shri O. Y. Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder Kulkarni, Shri Raja Mohsin, Shri F. H. 1C ^nu fadMByilgffl Shri S. Mohan Muhammad Khuda Buksh, Shri 389 C o n sn m b n JYAISTHA 8. 1894 (SAKA) Constitmion {32nd Anmdt.) BUI {32nd Amndt.) BUt Mukheijee, Sbri Saroj Ram Swarup, Shri Murthy, Shri B. S. Rana, Shri M. B. Nahata, Shn Amnt Rao, Shrimati B. Radhabai A. Nair, Shri N. Sreekantan Rao, Shri Jagaonath Nayar, Shrimati Sbakuntla Rao. Di. K. L. Negi, Shn Pratap Singh Rao, Shn M. S Sanjeevi NimbalLar, Shn Rao, Shri M. Satyanarayan Oraon, Shri Tuna Rao, Shri Nageswara Famuli, Shn Paripoornarund Rao, Shri P. Ankineedu Parasada Panda, Shn D. K. Rao, Shri Pattabhi Rama Pandey. Shn Krishna Chandra Rao, Dr. V. K. R. Varadaraja Pandey, Shn Narsingh Naram Rathia, Shri Umed Smgh Pandey, Shri R. S Raut, Shn Bhola Pandey, Shri Tarkeshwar Ravi, Shri Vayalar Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarain Reddy, Shri P. Antony Pandit, Shri S. T. Reddy, Shri B. N. Pamgrahi, Shri Chintamam Reddy, Shn K. Kodanda Rami Paokai Haokip, Shri Reddy, Shri M. Ram Oopal Parashar, Prof Naratn Chand Repdy, Shri P. Bayapa P

•The following Members also recorded their voles for AYES : Sarvthri B. K. Dascbowdhury and S. M. Banerjee. m Q m trn itm JYAISTHA % 1S94 (SAXA) Constitution 394 (S3nd Amrnh.) BUi (32nd Amndt.) BtU a majority of not lets than iwo»thirds of Dtrtstoa No 1(0 [15 JO bn. tho members present and voting. AYES Clause 2 stands part of the Bill Achal Singh, Sbri Afzalpurkar, Shn Dharamrao The motion was adopted. Agrawal, Shri ShrikTishna Clam* 2 was added to tho B\U Ahtrwar, Shri Nathu Ram Ahmed, Shn F A Clause — {(Short Title) Alagesan, Shn O V SHRI H R GOKHALE: 1 beg to Ambesh, Shn move . Ankineedu, Sbri Magantt Page 1, lines 3 and 4, Ansari, Shn Ziaur Rahman Appalanatdu, Shn for “(Thirty second Amend* ment)” wbitituie— Austin, Dr. Henry Awdhesh Chandra Singh, Shri “(Twenty-ninth Amendment)'' (1) Azad, Shn Bhagwat Jha Babunath Singh, Shri MR SPEAKER The question is Bahuguna, Shn H. N Page 1, lines 3 and 4, Balaknshniah, Shri T for “ (Thirty-second Amend- Banerjee, Shri S M ment)* substitute— Banerji, Shrimati Mukul Barua, Shn Bedabrata “(Twenty nmih Amendment)” (1) Basappa, Shn K. The motion was adopted. Basumatan, Shn D. Besra, Shn S. C MR SPEAKER I shall now put Bbagat, Shn B. R. clause 1, as amended, to the vote of the House. 1 am told that we can have this Bhagat, Shn H K L passed by voice vote and by simple Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shn majority Bhandare, Shn R D Bhatia, Shn Raghunandan Lai SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN Bhattacharyya, Shri Dmen (Kangra): As a measure of abundant cau- tion, we may bave ft by division Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish Bhattacbaryya, Shri S. P. AN HON. MEMBER . Since the Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapaieodu Supreme Court is there, let us bave tt by division. Bhaura, Shn B. S. Bhuvarahan, Shri O MR SPEAKER : The question is Bisht, Shri Narendra Singh Bosu, Shri Jyottrmoy ‘That clause t, as amended, stand part of the Bill " Brahmanandji, Sbri Swatni Buta Singh, Shri The Lak Sabha divided: Chakleshwar Smgh, Shn 395 C onstitution MAY 29, J972 {32nd Amndt.) Bill (32nd Amrdt.y B*t Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsna QoptA, Sbri K. Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B. Govind Da s, Dr. Chandrappan, Shri C. K. Gowda, Shri Parapan Chatterjee, Sbri Somnath Gowder, Shri J. M. Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai Guha, Shri Samar Chaudhari, Shri Araarsinh Gupta, Shri Indrajit Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh Haider, Shri Madhuryya Chaudhary, Shri Ishwar Haider, Shri Kishna Chandra Chavan, Shri D. R. Hansda. Shri Subodh Chavan, Shri Yesbwantrao Hari Kishore Singh, Shn Chawla, Shri A mar Nath Hari Singh, Shn Chellachemi, Shri A. M. Hashun, Shri M M. Chhotey Lai, Shri lshaque, Shn A. K. M. Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque Jagjtwan Rem, Shri Daga, Shri M. C. Jamilurrahman, Shn Md. Dalbir Singh, Shri Janardhanan, Shn G. Daiip Singh, Shri Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V. Darbara Singh, Shri Jha, Shn Bhogendra Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Jha, Shn Chiranjib Daschowdhury, Shri B, K. Joseph, Shn M M. Deb, Shri Dasaratha Joshi, Shn Jagannathrao Deo, Shri S. N. Singh Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra Dhamankar, Shn Kadam, Shn J. G. Dharia, Shri Mohan Kadannappallt, Shri Ramachandran Dhusia, Shn Anant Prasad Kader, Shri S. A. Dinesh Singh, Shri Kahandole, Shri Z. M, Dixit, Shri G. C. Kakodkar, Shri Puru&hottam Doda, Shr Hiralal Kakoti, Shri Robin Dutta, ShriBiren Kalingarayar, Shri Mohanraj Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar Kamakshatah, Shn D. Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Kamala Kutnari, Kuman Ganesh, Shri K. R. Kamala Prasad, Shn Ganga Devi, Shrimati Ramble. Shri T. D. Gangadeb, Shri P. Kapur, Shri Sat Pal Gautam, Shri C. D. Karan Singh, Dr. Godara, Sbri Maui Ram Kachamuthtt, Shri M. Gogoi, Shri Tarun Kaul, Shrimati Sheila Gohain, Shri C. C. Xavde, Shri B. R. Gokhaie, Shri H. R. Kedar Nath Singh, Shri Gomango, Shri GkkHiar KhadilkarSfari R.1L W ! CmmHwrim JYAISTHA t, 1*94 (SAKA) Cotmitmbn {32nd Amndt.) BtM {32nd A m td t.) B ltt Kinder Lai, Shri Modi, Shri Shrikishan KUiku, Shri A. K. Mohammad Tahir, Shri Kotoki, Shri Liiadhar Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Kotrashetti, Shri A. K. Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder Krishnan, Shn G. Y. Mohsin, Shri F. H. Kuikami, Shri Raja Muhammad Khuda Buksh, Shri Kamaramangalam, Shn S. Mohan Mukherjee, Shri Saroj Kurecl, Shri B. N. Murthy, Shri B. S. Lakkappa, Shri K. Nahata, Shri Amrit Lakfthmikanthamma, Shrimati T. Nair, Shri N. Sreekantan Lakshminarayanan, Shri M. R. Nayar, Shrimati Shaktuatala Lambodar fialiyar, Shri Negi, Shri Pratap Singh Laskar, Shri Nihar Nimbalkar, Shri Lutfai Haque, Shri Oraon, Shri Tuna Mahajan, Shn Vikram Painuli, Shri Paripooraanaad Mahajan, Shri Y. S. Par da Shri D. K. Maharaj Singh, Shri Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini Pandey, Shri Natsingh Narain Majhi, Shri Gajadhar Pandey, Shn R. S. Majhi, Shri Kumar Pandey, Shri Tarkeshwar Malaviya, Shn K. D. Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarain Malhotra. Shri Inder J. Pandit, Shri S. T. Maiik, Shn Mukhtiar Singh Panigrahi, Shn Chintamam Mallanna, Shri K. Paokai Haokip, Shri Matlikarjun, Shri Parashar, Prof. Narain Chand Mandal, Shu Jagdish Narain Pankh, Shn Rasikiai Maodal, Shri Yamuna Prasad Partap Singh, Shn Marandi, Shri is war Patel, Shri Prabhudas Mehta, Dr. Jivraj Patel, Shri Ramubhai Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray Patil, Shri Ananfrao Mehta, Shri P. M. Patil, Shri E V. Vikhe Mirtimata Agamdas, Shrimati Patil, Shri S. B. Mirdba, Shri Nathu Ram Pillai, Shri R. Baiakrishna Mishra, Shri Bibhuti Pradhan, Shri Dhan Shall Mishra, Shri G. S. Purty, Shri M. S. Mishra, Shri Ug&aa&th Quwsbi, Bbri Mobd. Shad Mishra, Shri L. N. Raddakrisbnan, Shri S. Mishra, Shri Shyaranandan Raghu Ramaiah, Shri K. Misra, Shn S. N. Raj Bahadur, Shri Modak, Shri Bijoy Rajdeo Singh, Shri W G vtm ttm io* MAY » , 1#TS C m u tm b * {32*4 A rndt.) m Amtkti.f BtU Raju, Shri M. T, Sathe, Shri Vasant Raju, Shri P. V« G. Savitri Shyatn, Shrimati R un Dhan, Shri Sayeed, Shri P. M. Ram Prakash, Shri Sen, Dr. Ranen Ram Sewak, Ch. Sethi, Shri Arjun Ram Surat Prasad, Shri Shafquat Jung, Shri Ram Swarup, Shri Shahoawaz Khan, Shri Rana, Shri M. B. Shaiiani, Shri Chandra Rao, Shrimati B. Radhabai A. Sbambhu Nath, Shri Rao, Shri Jagannath Sbankar Dayal Singh, Shri Rao, Dr. K. L. Shankar Dev, Shri Rao. Shri M. S. Saojeevi Shankaranand, Shri B. Rao, Shri M. Satyanaryan Sharma, Shri A. P. Rao, Shri Nageswara Sharma, Dr. H. P. Rao, Shri P. Ankineedu Parasada Sharma, Shri Madhoram Rao, Shri Pattabhi Rama Sharma, Shri Nawal Kithore Rao, Dr. V. K. R. Varadarsja Sharma, Shri R. N. Ratfaia, Shn Unwd Singh Sharma, Dr. Shankar Dayal Raut, Shri Bhola Shashi Bhushan, Shri Ravi, Shri Vayalar Shastri, Shri Ramanand Reddi, Shri P. Antony Shastri, Shri Ramavatar Roddy, Shri B. N. Shastri, Shri Sheopujan Reddy, Shri K. Kodanda Rami Sher Smgh, Shri Reddy, Sbri M. Ram Gopal Shelly, Shri K. K. Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa Shinde, Shri Annasaheb P. Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha Shiva Chandika, Shri Reddy. Shri P. V. Shivappa, Shri N. Reddy, Shri Y. Eswara Shivnath Singh, Shn Riehhariya, Dr. Oovind Da» Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan Rohatgj, Shrimati Suehiia Siddayya, Shri S. M. Roy, Shri Bishwanath Siddheehwar Prasad, Sbri Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri Singh, Shri V. N. P, Sadhu Ram, Shri Sinha, Shri Dharam Bir Saha, Shri Ajit Kumar Sinha, ShriR.K. Saioi, Shri Molki Raj Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narain Sait* Shri Ebrabim Sulaiman Sohan Lai, Shri T. Samanta, Shri S. C. Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh Sambhali, Shri Ishaq Somasoadaram, Shri S. D. C L Sankata Prasad. Dr. Stephen, Shri M. Sant Box Singh, Shri Subramaniam, Shri CL Saikar.ShriSaktlKumai Subravelu, Shri 401 C om titm to* JYAISTHA «< 1*94 (SAKA) Const itutbn 462 (32nd Amndt.) BiU (32nd Amndt) Bill Sunder Lai, Sbri The mottan was adopted* Surendra Pal Siagh, Shri Clem0 J, as amended, was added to tfut Sturyanarayana, Shri K. Bill. Swaminathan, Shri R. V. Swamy, Shri Sidrameshwar MR. SPEAKER: The question is : Swaran Siagh, Shri “ That the Enacting Formula and Swatantra, Shri Teja Singh the Title stand part of the Bill." Tayyab Hussain Khan, Shri The motion was adopted Tiwary, Shri K. N. Tula Ram, Shri The Enacting Formula and the Title were added to the Bill. Tulsiram, Shn V. Uikey, Shri M. G. SHRI H R. GOKHALB: I beg to Ulaganambi, Shri R. P. move: Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. “That the Bill, as amended, be Vajpayee, Shri Atal Bihari passed.” Vekaria, Shri MR. SPEAKER : The question is: Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. Venkatswamy, Shri G. “That the Bill, as amended, be passed.” Verma, Shri Balgovmd Verma, Shri Phool Chand The LokSabhadivided: Verma. Shri Sukhdeo Prasad Division No. 17j ll5.S2hr«. Vidyalankar, Shn Amarnath Vijay Pal Siagh, Shri AYES Vikal, Shn Ram Chandra Achal Singh, Shri Viswanathan, Shri G. Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao Yadav, Sbri Chandrajit Agrawal. Shri Shrikrishna Yadav, Shri G. P. Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram Yadav, Shri Karan Singh Ahmed, Shri F. A. Yadav, Shri R. P. Alagesan, Shri O. V. Zuifiquar Ali Khan, Shri Ambesh, Shri Ankineedu, Shri Maganti NOES Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman Nil Appalanaidu, Shri Austin, Dr. Henry MR. SPBAKER : The mult* of tbe Awdhesh Chandra Singh* Shri division ia : Ayes ; 310; Noes Nil. Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha The motion li carried by a majority of Babunath Singh, Shti tbe total membership of tbe House and by a majority of not lest than two*thirdt of Bahuguna, Shri H. N. the Members present and voting. Banerjee, Shri S M.

•Shrimati Bhatgari tfcankappan alio recorded her vote Cor AYES. 40? C onstitution MAY If72 C om Jitw ia* (32nd Amndt.) Bill (32ad Amndt.) £iU Banerji, Shnmati Mukttf Darhara Singh, Shri Barua, Shri Bedabrata Oasappa, Shri TaJaMat Basappa, Shri K. Daschowdhury, Shri B, K. Basumatari, Shri D. Deb, Shn Dasaratha Besra, Shri S. C. Deo, Shri S. N. Siagh Bhagai, Shri B. R. Dhrmankar, Shri Bhagat,SfariH. K. L. Dharia, Shrt Mohan Bhagiratb Bhanwar, Shn Dhusta, Shri Anant Prasad Bhandare, Shri R. D Dinesh Singh, Shri fihargavi Thaakappan, Shrimati Dixit, Shn G. C. Bhatia, Shti Raghunandan Lai Doda, Shri Hiralal Bhattacharyya, Shri Dinen Dutta, Shri Biren Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadi«b Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar Bhattacharyya, Shn S. P. Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Bbattacharyyia, Shn Chapaiendu Ganesh, Shn K. R. Bhaura, Shri B. S. Ganga Devi, Shrimati Bhuvarahan, Shri G. Gangadeb, Shn P. Biiht. Shri Narendra Singh Gautam, Shn C. D. Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy (iodara, Shn Mani Ram Brahmanandji, Shri Swami Gogoi, Shri Tarun Buta Singh, Shri Gohatn, Shrt C. C. Chakleshwar Singh, Shri Gokhaie, Shn H. R. Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsna Gomango, Shn Giridhar Chandra Gowda, Shri O. B. Gopai, Shn K. Chandrappan, Shri C. K. Govind Das, Dr. Chattcrjee, Shri Somnath Gowda, Shri Pampan Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai Gowder, S hnJ. M. Chaudhari, Shri Amarsinh Guha, Shri Samar Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh Gupta, Shn lndrajit Cbaudhary, Shri Ishwar Haidar, Shri Madhuryya Chavan, Shri D. R. Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao Hansda, Shri Subodh Chawla, Shri Amar Nath Hari Kishore Singh, Shri Cbellachemi, Shri A. M. Hari Singh, Shri Chhotey Lai, Shri Hashim. Shri M. M. Choudhury, Shri Moinnl Haqne Ishaque, Shri A. K. M. Chowhan, Shri Bhamt Singh JaaJiwan Ram, Shri Daga, Shri M. C. Jamilurrahman, Shri M

MR SPEAKER * The time is fixed, 1 and Reforms CoramUtee has categorically fhii morning 1 bad mad* it very clear that mentioned the ceiling limit to be 10 to I# we w ill continue up to 7 p. m acres of perennial irrigated land or irrigated land capable of growing two crops Bat the SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : It Agriculture Minister has diluted the it for tour hours We can continue with recommendations of the Central Land it the next day Reforms Committee by bringing into it other words guch as “perennially irrigated MR. SPFAKfcR Iheie is no tim e left land from Government sources ** He has now At 6.30 we can take up the half added ‘from Government sources” hour discussion and till 6 30 this debate will go on Aftct 0 At, every thing will be Now, what are its i uplications 7 Tbe finished controversy raging throughout the country, specially in Punjab and which is confined SHRI BHOGfcNDRA J H t (Jamagar) to the kulak and landlord lobby, is • * assuming serious proportions. That has to be fought out and put an end to In MR SPfcAKIR Order, please It will tins background if we analyse the not form part of the record Offhand implication of this, one thing is clear I you cannot get up and make alle- \m II speak only on one asprct, as to how in gationb against a Minister You get up Punjab the kulaks want to get out of this and without giving me an opportunity of ceiling and want a higher ceiling level to knowing what you want to sav, you go on be fixed I hey want that this ceiling of saying something This is completely 10 to 18 acros should not be applicable to flouting the procedure. When there is an their holdings That is very clear from allegation agaimt a Minister, there is a tue fact that in Punjab 51 percent of the procedure When an allegation is made toui irrigated lands are by tube-wells. i e against a Minister, it has to be on a private So, for 55 1 per cent of the land substantive motion You cannot bring m whic i is controlled by these landlords anv matter offhand like this, nothing will and kulaks they want exemotion and they go on record want (hit a higher ceiling should be fixed lor those lands I hat is the crux of the SHRI S M BANERJfcE (Kanpur) A problem and the subject of controversy particular point has been raised bv the bon Member There are serious charges In this connection, Shri Ahmed’s rider against a particular Minister that the ceiling laws would be applicable only to such agricultural lands “as were MR SPEAKER I do not know under assured irrigation from government anything. Abruptly, offhand nothing can sources oi of two crops” is quite under* be brought up here Only on a substantive standable What is the plea in that motion can it be done statement ' Hie plea is that all tbe earlier ceiling laws have been based on this very 16 b n consideration and that Parliament itself adapted tbe West Bengal ceiling law on SHRI D. K PANDA (Bhanjanagar) this very basis These are the two mam Sir, today we are discussing the statement contentions on which Shri Ahmed is baaing made by the Agriculture Minister. Mr his statement and reasoning F. A. Ahmed, on certain clarifications relating to the irrigated land from private We know what were the ceilings fixed sources and irrigated land from Govern- in the earlier legislations It varied from ment source*. Before that, the Central 40 acres to 324 acres. In Andhra Pradesh * • Not recorded. 413 Ceiling on JYAISTHA 8, 1894 (SAKA) Agricultural Holdings (Dis.) 414

it was 324 acres and in Rajasthan 336 the contry, at such a time does it not look acres. So, a higher level of ceiling was ridiculous and ironical to bring a Bill on fixed in the earlier legislation. This higher land ceiling in the Punjab Assembly, level cannot be argued as a point in favour specially with the help of the Chief of the hon. Minister's statement. Minister, Giani Zail Singh? Now what is the very fact ? What are the provisions At a time when the Central Land under the fresh legislation that is brought Reforms mmitt Co ee has already taken a thertt in Panjab. It is really sickening to decision and when the National Agricul­ know that the first thing the Bill says, tural Commission is going to give its "That higher compenstation should be a opinion and take final decision, at that given." There in certain areas one acre a iime statement creating confusion among of land costs Rs. 20,000 and 25% or that the ranks of the ruling party and the land should be given as comp!nsation. progressive elements in the country should That means for per acre, it comes to Rs. not have been made. It is going against 4,000. It is juct equal to the price. That the very current of the country , going becomes very clear. rh�refore, k!ej)in; against the very interests of the poor in view the rec0mmend:itions or the agricultural landless labourers, going Central Land Reforms Com nission, they against tbe very promise that was given by have made certain provisions in a couched a a the ruling party, going g inst the very langu3ge so that they can make an mandate which the people give in favour eye wash and extract more and mo re in of the Congress. Therefore, at a time favour of the land-lord. Not only that when there is hunger for land, at a time there are certain provisions, fro:n w 1ich when we in the r r l areas, - find tension u a d ate this comes into forc1-S!pt. 197J. this approach and attitude only goes to After that and this Bil l co:nss into f,yc;:. encourage and embolden the kulaks and every land-lord has got the ri�ht u•1d :r the the lo by landlord b . Bill to effect the transfer.

SHRI K. N. TIWARI (Bettiah) : Sir, MR. SPEARER: r nnv infir:n you strongly bject to the word 'kulak', o that half·an-hour deb.\te m1y b; c trri;J which was in the past a a n st used g i over to-morrow becau;c I hav� received reactionaries. the information aiready f rn 11 our friend Mr. Guba. Till 6.30 p. m. we will continue. SHRI D. K. PANDA : There is nothing I think that will be enough. unparliamentary in this term. The stio is why he should be such a que n t re SOME HON. MEMBERS : No. controversy. A controversy is raised and confusion is created by smuggling in words SHRI SEIYAMNANDAN Vll3H'.l-\ like "irrigated by government sources". Some of us will get two minutes only. This is part of the struggle, part of tbe resistance movement started by tbc same MR. SPEAKER: All right upto 7 p.m. landlords and kulaks, the land capit;alists would have e.l>ily

interim recommendations, at a time when You are entertaining fresh obligations. the working group have submit ted a report under the leadership of the National MR. SPEAKER : The same schedule

Agricultural Commission, when a final is being followed. Till 7 O'clock this decision is. pet to be taken. when such debate will continue. Half-an-hour will controversies have been, raised tbr·:mghout be postpo ned for t.o-morrow. 415 Ceiling on MAY 29,1972 Agricultural Holdings {Dis.) 416

SHRI D. K. PANDA: So, the very should be a drastic reduction to get more Pas jab BUI which it now oo the anvil surplus land for distribution amongst the gives not only higher compensation but landless people, amongst the agricultural there is also provision for additional piece labourers. That is also with a view to of land for additional members of family mitigate the tension in rural parts of our beyond 5. That has been made to grab country, between the employer and the more and more land. Not, only that, agricultural labourer and between tbe that makes scopes for benami transfers landlord and the landless. Even the Home aiul in the past, we know, several loop- Ministry has recommended that the hole have been left in this ceiling legisla- tension can be brought down by proper, tion. Therefore, the gap between the suitable and effective land reforms legisla- legislation and its implementation can be tion. From that point of view also, the well understood from the fact that though opinion is in favour of a drastic reduction 20 million acres of surplus land was in the ceiling When such is the back- available, according to the Fourth Five ground, when such is the time in the Year Plan 2 million acres Government country, when such is the tension in the could get as surplus land. From that we rural areas, there is absolutely no point to can know the gap that is created between create a confusion by the Agriculture legislation and implementation and the Ministry to say that there is a difference loophole by which the landlord could keep between the two. for himself those lands in tact and no surplus could be taken from him with It is also reported that with regard to such measures. The landlords were play- a family as a unit, there is some trouble. ing mischief in the past. The fresh legis- The Minister of Agriculture, Shri Ahmed, lation for ceiling should not have any such sent a note to the All-India Congress loopholes and no scope should be given Committee when it wanted to meet some- for that time in the past. So, till now, the effort is going on to create confusion by raising 16.15 hrs certain distinctions between certain words and between different concepts, that is, if (Shkc R. D B hand ARB in the Chair, j we take a family as a unit, whether it goes against the Hindu law, whether it goes Now, with regard ro tbe justification of against the Inheritance law and so many making any distinction between the land other things are being raised. irrigated by Government source and the land irrigated l»y the private tube wells, Between the Government irrigated land there should not be any distinction made. and the private irrigated land, there is The entire enlightened opinion in the another confusion. Similarly, about exe- country is towards the fixation of ceiling at mptions as to which exemptions need a low level, that is, drastic reduction in to be cancelled, there is a mischievous the level of a ceil mg . , . attempt to create confusion.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Your party has In view of the situation prevailing in tbe got 20 minutes. Too have already taken country, in view of tbe massive mandate 15 minutes. There is another speaker also and the promise given by tbe Government, from yout party. So, you bear that also I would appeal to the Members on the tn mind. Treasury Benches and, specially, tbeea who have already taken a progressive SHRI O.K. PANDA: As far as the stand in combating the reeistanoe pot Patent thing Is concerned, we know, th en forth by those big landlords asd Kulaks, i» an enlightened opinion that there not oaly at tbe State level but also at the 417 Ceiling on JYAISTHA 8,1894 {SAKA) Agricultural Holdings {Ois.) 418

O ntral level, to stand by it. Let ui be who have been tested during this entire very cautious about these tilings. Here period- must be formed ; an administra- and now, 1 want that the Government tive corps mu>t be set up for effective should come forward to say categorically implementation, in addition to th at.. . that there is absolutely no difference in regard to fixation of ceiling between IS to SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY; 18 acres, and that is accepted. At (Niftamabad) : Every member should the same time, the Government should conclude his speech within the time all- tell us that there is no distinction bet* otted to him ; otherwise, some members ween lands irrigated by Government will be deprived of the opportunity to speak. source and the lands irrigated by private source. That has also been discussed at MR. CHAIRMAN: I am thankful length in the Land Reforms Seminar for your proposal. The hon. member where Mr. R. D. Bh andare was also there may please conclude. and he presided over it and many persons •participated in it. The intentions have SHRI D K. PANDA : I am just con- to be very clear. cluding, Sir.

Now, my only appeal will be to all the In addition, there must be a watch dog Members here that we have to draw committee to direct the political measures, lessons from all the loopholes left, in the to see that the purpose of the land past, in the land legislation law. One of reforms is achieved and specially that the them is that we fixed a land ceiling at a surplus land is brought out and distributed very high late. So, that should be dras- by a strong and effective machinery.. . tically reduced. Secondly, here and now MR. CHAIRMAN : He should con- the Minister should make a statement clude now. with regard to the exemptions in the name of orchards, in the name of gardens, in SHRI D. K. PANDA : This is the last the name of the some religious endow- sentence. Sir. ments, in the name of separate property of the son, in the name of the separate It is really most unfortunate that one property of the wife, in the name of of the Ministers at the Centre who is hav- the separate property of the daughter, ing his own farm, etc., also supported this etc., that under no circumstances, landlord lobby. That was the most unfor- the exemptions should be allowed. tunate and shocking news. Is it only to We know very we/1 that, in the last protect his own interests or to protect the 25 years, especially from 1955 when we interests ol crores of agricultural labourers first enacted the land legislation on and poor landless people ? Therefore, this ceilings, the poor people in the rural areas should also be put an end to. That very have not yet got even one per cent of the Minister demanded disciplinary action surplus land. Now 63 million hectare* against Mr. Krishna Kant who want all will be available according to the present over Punjab and made a move that no such recommendations—if they are accepted mischievous attept should be made to and if they are going to be implemented scuttle the land legislation. very effectively. Therefore, keeping this in view, the different kinds of exemptions •R %• ipi* ftwnft (IRwr) : should be cancelled. . I f 72 Agricukural Holdings (Dis.) 42G

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sfcfan $ « nr j f% «rrw?t Now, afterwards, what remains T Indian statistics say that 30 per cent of our cut* w ftzt v t art fasrar t ,®r$ ■w* tivated land is irrigated, but that only 10 3 w rr wrf^qr i # *nr g, Srfa?r per cent it Government-irrigated. • This fs tr^r artur | f% «m vtf ^r«r fatf the alMndia figure. But in Punjab,—I am telling you from the Abstract of Punjab’s «rrar fc, «r*rt v tf M t v s i t * statistics-^there are only 865 Governmeht fftefV | ?r> sraft g'srrcrer tube-wells. The private tube-wells are | eft sSforfe m x » m v t 97.704. The area cultivated by 97,704 tube-wel Is must be exempted ! That it «r^7 $, vffgy^nr vrwr in- according to the latest declaration. There ert u rc w t n i f i f e «PT?rr =*t ^ f ? are only 35 Government wells in Punjab. (Interruption) w tftr 3*ra?t 3r^T5T gt hut i ssif sure SHRI S. P. BHATTACHARYYA : It *rtf gsrrrar I, 3*r$ w rc^ircr is the number. But the private irrigated wells number about 1,67,164, If the private m * t *ujft sreft | sftr «ronr *TcT | irrigated lands are exempted, only a few eft *rw ?t

[Shri S. P. Bhattacharyya] wnat the Planning Minister has said. In becoming friends with the big landlords and Japan MacArthur could carry out land their interests and defeating the declaration reforms completely and successfully. He you have given to the people, whose ex* was a military general of a foreign country. pectations weie real when they put you Here there the Congress Government is into power, expecting that you are going not able to do that. to solve poverty and solve unemployment T That is the real thing which cannot be denied. But when you are going to taka The day before yesterday, there was a action, you are forgetting their cause and report in the Statesman that eighty per cent the big landowners’ interest are dominating of our people in the villages are living your decision and diluting everything. below the poverty level. There is mass unemployyment. Radical land reform is In West Bengal, during the United the only way of solving it; that will Front regime, we distributed seven lakh increase the buying capacity of the people acres of land and the Minister was saying and create sufficient market for our that “ you are illegally occupying the industrial development. Then the lands.** We had distributed khas land unemployment problem can also be solved. and benami lands. When the poor This is our demand. There is a saying peasants and the landless peasants occup- in Bengali: ying tbe Government land ask the Government to distribute them properly, q>«r fair arrcr then it is illegal. When big landlords occupy those lands, It is never illegal. That is your attitude. Are you for the irre ^ grjtaT amrer i" poor people of our country ? You should have roused the people. You have got enough support and power. Why did you If you throw burnt muster seeds, the not rouse them to know their cause, to ghosts will be driven away; but if the know their demand? Big landlords are ghost remains within the muster seeds and there and you are being influenced by not outside, the ghost cannot be driven them; you ate not influenced by the poor out. That is the situation. Big land people. That is creating the situation m owning interests are within the policy which we are in. making committee; how can you bring about land reform ? If you do not Radical land reform is required. The bring land reforms, people will not Minister of Planning has said that to keep you in power. increase the buying capacity of rural people we should have this ceiling so that maximum land can be got But will any repressive measure atop the distributed. You have developed new millions of people taking their own cause, seeds, new ways of cultivation. You if you do not give them the proper should not think in the old ways. The solution? Big land owners have also land reform enquiry committee or some their boys who should be employed in other committee has already stated that the industries. I am a peasant worker. big landlords cannot go to modem When there is industrial development, the methods of cultivation and give enough big land'owners cannot remain safe in attention to agriculture and therefore their position. If th en Is proper land land holdings must be limited. Big distribution, scone families will go to holders cannot do it. If you think In tha industries. What does it m atter? What old way, you are not taking into account is the harm? 429 C tilln g o n JYA1STHA *. 1994 (A4«4> Agricultural HoUmgt (Dls.) 430

TfcOtt who remain in cultivation, will independent nation, so much has been said m o tto there itself. You are speaking of about land reforms in this 1 louse, but so socialism. Bat after * sufficient land distri* little benefit has accraed to (he people of button, if industrial development take* tbe country. The landless agricultural plaoe, then the population in agriculture labour in our country number many crores now 80 per cent in our country will go whose cry for land has all along been in down to 30 per cent and more people will wilderness. The credibrlity gap created be in industries. With that perespeciive, by the gulf between Congress promises and I think you should come out of this weak- performances all these years has been necs and out of this narrowness, and as seriously widened by inept handling of land suggested by the Working Group of the ceiling legislation. National Agriculture Committee which is headed by Mr. Ahmed, you should carry I would like to substantiate what I out the suggestions and help the country to have said. In the year 1960 land ceiling develop in the proper way. It is not that legislation was with so much of advance you are running the big families. It is propaganda and great fanfare, enacted in Tamil Nadu. In this law there were’many leading tbe country to a better future. built*in loopholes and lacunae which You must have that stamina; if you do not have that, people will not excuse you. enabled big land-lords in Tamil Nadu to As Tagore has said— circumvent the provisions of the Act. I would tell you how this Act was made a “m m z t t mockery by people placed in high position. VJW This law was passed on 6*4-1960. But on 4-4 60, the daughter of the former Chief Do not forget it. Go along with the Minister of Tamil Nadu managed to sell people and their demand or get yourself away 27 acres of land. Is this not a clear destroyed. evasion of the impending provisions of land ceiling Act ? It did not stop here. •SHRI C. CHITTIBABU (Chingleput) : In the year 1962, two years after the pass- Hon. Mr. Chairman, Sir, 1 am greatful to ing of this law, the son-in-law of the same you for giving me an opportunity to parti- Chief Minister—I mentioned his daughter cipate on behalf of my party, the Dravida and now I am referring to his son-in-law- Munnetra Kazhagam, in the discussion on sold 240 acres of land and brought himself the statement laid on the Table of the to the ceiling limit of 30 acres under this House by the Minister of Agriculture on Act. These are not just solitary instances. In 87th April, 1972 regarding Ceiling on Agri- Coimbatore, Kangeyam, Kunniyur, Tanjore cultural holdings. and Tiruchirappalli—also in many parts of Tamil Nadu—more than 4000 acres of Sir, in the whole universe no poet could lands were transferred binami. This Act equal the revolutionary zeal of the one and enumerated many exemptions like grazing only poet of Tamil Nadu, Subramania land for religious trusts, sugarcane land Bharatbi. who sang sonorously that every etc., which were exploited fully by land- human being in the world should for his lord and other vested interests. There very existence have one acre of land. He was one instance in which 93 acres of gave so much significance of possessing one land was transferred to a religious trust acre of land by everyone in the world. which was formed with just a picture of Coming from the land of this poet, I take Krishna. In Tanjore, exemption was pride in talking about ceiling on agricultu- sought for 7000 acres of land by a big ral holdings. sugarcane factory. I can go on narrating During 2$ years of our existence as an any number of such shady transactions,

•The original speech was delivered in Tamil. 4*1 CtttofO* May 2*. *972 AtrkttlmralMmyto.) 4*1

(Shri C. Chittibabu] Japan and in Japan 90% «f the bat on account of paucity of time, I con- agriculturists own 5 acres and to*. T bw fine myself to these few un parallel led have achieved remarkable production instances, which occurred in Tamil Nadu. targets with these small holdings. Even ifi our country it has been proved beyond Now it is reported that the land ceiling doubt that tbe small land-owaer* with act will have retrospective effect from 1970. five acres could get greater yield than big 1 demand in the name of fairplay and land-lords who have got multifarious justice that the Act should be given interests other than cultivation. The retrospective effect from I960. The former small land-ownets treat the land as their Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, whose kith offspring and bestow so much personal and kin resorted to flagrant violation of attention that their yield is comparatively the land ceiling Act, is now in Indira higher than those who possess vast acreage. Congress. If the ruling party has got There should not be any hesitation on tbe the courage of conviction, I would strongly part of the Government to effectively urge upon the Government to give retro- implement the land ceiling act on this spective effect to the land ceiling act from score. I960, 1 suggest this because those millions of agriculture labour, who with their Before 1970 Elections, the Tamil Nadu sweat and blood feed the entire country, Government brought down the land ceiling will be able to get one acre of land as to 15 standard acres from 30 acres wttich dreamt by Subramama Bharati. The prevailed during Congress regime. The Central Government should translate their Congress Government had fixed 60 acres diction into action. per tamily, which was brought down by O. M. K. Government to 40 standard I am surprised at the discrimination ttcies per family. The D. M, K. between the land irrigated from Government mercilessly revoked all Government sources and the land irrigated exemptions Irom the land ceiling Act, from private sources. II this invidious like grazing land, sugarcane area, religious distinction is not done with, the land trust etc. Lakhs and lakhs of landless ceiling Act will be useless. If any benefit agricultural labour were given full owner- is to accrue to the poor landless ship of 5 acres of land and three acres of agricultural labour, then this distinction land. In fact, paitas were given to them. between the land irrigated from the The Tamil Nadu Government under Government sources and the land irrigated D. M. K. passed and amended Tenancy from private sources should go. Sir, in laws benefiting millions of landless our country 81% of the land is uoirrigated. labour. Out of 19% irrigated land, only 6% of land is irrigated from Government sources. Here, I would like to know the The land ceiling Act with this distinction programme of Indira Congress Government will be self-defeating and it will also at the Centre for establishing some sort of enable the big laod-lords to take full a reasonable party in the standard of advantage of this loophole. I would once living between the rural areas and urban again stress that there should not be this areas in our country. During the course distinction in the proposed land ceiling of two decades of Congress rule, the Act. imbalance between rural and urban areas has increased. The D. M. K. Government It is said that the land ceiling Act will has given pottos to lakhs of landless lead to further fragmentation and in agricultural labour in the rurai area of consequence the agricultural production Tamil Nadu. The Government ha* also will receive a set-back. I have gone to dcctared a moratorium on agricultural 413 CMtar*» JtiUSfHA 8, m i{S A £ A ) Agricultural Molding* (D/i.) 434

Igmuu. Security of tenure hat bw a Nadu Government under the dynamic ensured through legislation. Steps have leadership of our Chief Minister, Or. teen taken by the Government to raise Kalaignar Karunanidhi has been vigorously tfr* agricultural wages in rural areas. implementing the Land Ceiling Aet and Power, water, fertilisers, improved variety has been endeavouring earnestly to remove of seeds are being supplied to til the the imbalance between the rich and poor. agriculturists throughout Tamil Nadu. Instead of saying thal the Tamil Nadu The Tamil Nadu Government has Land Ceiling Act is deficient in some ways, constituted the Slum Clearance Board for 1 feel that the Agriculture Minister sitting the specific purpose of rehabilitating slum opposite would be well advised to appreciate dwellers not only in urban centres but the lead given by our Chief Minister also ia rural areas. As a matter of fact, Dr. Kalaignar Karunanidhi, in this matter the Tamil Nadu Government alone has and learn a few things from him, which worked unceasingly for the uplift of the will benefit the countless millions of poor rural poor. people in rural areas of our country. It may not be out of place here to mention that our Chief Minister has been insisting * 17 hrs. that no compensation should be given to Still, Shri Shindc mentioned the other lands belonging to temples and religious day in this House that the Land Ceiling trusts. But I understand that the Central Act of Tamil Nadu Government suffers Government are keen to compensate from certain deficiencies. I would like to them. Likewise, the Tamil Nadu Chief know from him as to what are the Minister has been demanding more powers drawbacks in the Tamil Nadu Land Ceiling for the State Governments solely guided Act. 1 would also like to tell him what by the motive of doing good to the people has happened m the Congress-administered in rural areas. I request that the Central States like Punjab, Rajasthan, Haryana, Government should come forward to share U. P., Madhya Pradesh, etc. The their powers with the States in the discussion ou the Land Ceiling Act in common interest of the people of our Punjab has been postponed indefinitely. country. It is the same story in Rajasthan, Haryana With these words, I conclude. and U. P. The Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh has himself stated about large- SHRI AMR1T NAHATA (Barmer): scale bxnaml transfers of land there. Yet, Mr. Chairman, the other day when we this Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh were debating the Finance Bill and again had the temerity to remark that the today the House heard with rapt D. M. K. Government in Tamil Nadu has attention and, personally speaking, I lost the support of the people. In heard with respectful attention, the Rajasthan, I understand that thousands most beautiful exposition of a certain of divorce petitions have been filed in the view point by my leader, Shri K. N. courts with a view to circumventing the Tiwari. I entirely agree with him that land ceiling legislation. In the Land in this debate acrimony should not be Ceiling Act of Madhya Pradesh, exemption injected. 1 entirely disagree with some of has been given in the name of public the members here who use all sorts of interest. names. To me this practice of using names like “kulak” is reprehensible. Sir, the Chief Ministers of all these States belong to Indira Congress. I would SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandi- be happy if they could frame land ceiling wash): It is you who have started using legislations which would benefit crores of this term “ kulaks”. Others have borrowed dumb tillers of one country. The Tamil It from you. 41) C 4 ti* g o n MAY 29, t§T2 Agricultural Holdings (0t*,) 411

SHRI AMRIT NAHATA : Tbe boa. villages. A large, overwhelming majority Shri Nathu Ram Mirdha U tbe of our people live hi villages. Sir, there- unchallenged leader of Rajasthan and thus fore, to ensure social justiee to over- my leader also. We have the greatest whelming majority of our people in this respect for the views expressed by these country, the first and faremott priority people. Therefore, I would beg of the hon. must go to an equitable and the just 'distri- House not to inject ill* will or ill-feeling bution of a fixed gift of nature to men* in this debate but to exercise cold reason Therefore, if we want to establish and warm persuasion which are our egalitarian social order in our country; the ways. highest priority must go to the ceiling on land. Xn our country we want to bring about change with consent. Of course,, there The latest national sample survey is the example of Japan where the Ameri- (which was the 17th round) was done in cans brought about land reforms at the point of the bayonet. Land: reforms 1961*62. It revealed that persons having no land or having land less than 2.5 acree were introduced in China by expropriating together constituted 60% of the total in land; so also in Russia. We do not want number, but among these 60% people hold it* China had cultural revolution; We in all hardly 7.6% of the total land. At want to have an agricultural revolution. the other end persons having more than The alternatives before us are very clear. 30 acres, each constitute 2% of the total Whether we would have a red revolution population in number but had among them or a green revolution. Whether we would altogether 25% of the total land. This is have a cultural revolution or on agri- the position. 60% of our population in cultural revolution. Sir, it is in the inter- the country side owns the land-holding of est of out nation that we bring about a less than 2.5 acres and a very small sec- change with consent, with persuasion tion our population owns a holding larger through the mechanism of law and not than 30 acres. through confiscation or expropriation. Therefore when the basic question is posed as to what is the over-ail priority before When people talk of farmers, when our country, it is said that we talk of land they say that we are the voice of the farmers in the country, we must know ceiliog. We tell why not bring about which farmer ? There is a marginal far- representailon ceiling. There is so much of m e r, landless farmer. There is the farm disparity. Let us view this problem from an labourer. There is a poor farmer. They over*ali priority. constitute 60% of our population in the Slrt we are not talking about ceiling on countryside owning less than 2.5 acres. incomes. This must be made dear. Jan There is hardly any 10% of the population Sangh is the party which has demanded which owns more than 30 acres. Sir, just* that while fixing the land ceiling, income ice demands when we talk of re-distribu- must be the test. From the same plot, tion of land, when we talk of imposition with the same conditions, same facilities of ceiling and distribution of surplus land same input, same irrigation, one farmer to this 60% of the people, we speak the will take greater yield, another farmer voice of the multitudinous population of will take the lesser yield. This is not our country the—most oppressed, the most the question. Here we are not considering neglected, the poorest section of our the question of ceiling on income but country. It is said that this is only the the ceiling on land. You cannot increase first step towards collectivisation. it. You can increase its productivity. Land as the flee gift of nature Is fixed in This ceiling has a scientific background, our country. Moreover, India lives in her I want to make It very dear. 437 Cetltng on JYAISTHA 8,1*94 (SAKA) Afrtcuhural HoUlngs (Dis.) 438

India It a small country in the sense serviced through cooperatives or through that the lend: man ratio shows that there pancbayats or through other Government is greater pressure on land, that there is agencies. greater population as compared to land. India should be equated with Japan, with Taiwan, with Mexico, and not with tbe Sir, a patent argument that is paraded Soviet Union or with the United States against the ceiling is that It would lead of America, tbe two countries which are to a reduction in agricultural production. most backward in agriculture. We have At the outset, I have no hesitation in brought this new farm technology, this recognising the great contribution that green revolution, from these small the progressive farmers of India had countries, from Japan from Taiwan, from made towarda self-sufficiency. The whole Mexico. In such countries, it is the nation is grateful to them. But for thelv small farmer, the small farm land-owner, hard work, but for their imagination, but who would contribute to the national for their entrepreneurship, India would wealth of our country. Therefore, even not have attained self-sufficiency. The mechanisation is not suited to our condi- entire nation grateful to them. There tions ; even large-scale farming is not is no doubt about it. But the benefits suited to our conditions. This green of the green revolution must percolate down revolution, this new farm technology, below. They must go to the lowest of the is ideally suited to small-scale farming lowly in our countryside. where the farm-owner takes personal interest, where he applies all the inputs, where he puts his best, his heart and body, Recently, the Government of Haryana into cultvation and brings out gold from asked the Punjab University to conduct tbe womb of the motherland. a study on tbe impact of green revolution on the agricultural structure of Haryana* We are not talking of collectivisation Here is the study done by the Punjab even. Even mechanisation or large-scale University. I would like to quote one of extensive farming is not suited to our the most interesting findings of this country. It should be made clear once study: and for all that this ceiling is not a first step towards collectivisation. I would even go to the extent of saying that it “Two of our findings are relevant cannot be a first step towards coopera* in support of this policy. We have tivisation. Cooperative servicing? Yes, established that a small holder is able when you have small farms of 5 or 7 or 8 to produce a much higher output per- acres of land. There are people who ask : acre as compared to a large cultivator. why did you allow big tractors to be Redistribution of land from the large imported ? Why did you allow big tractors to the small holders will most likely to be manufactured in this country ? If we lead to higher agricultural output. In were earnest about ceiling, if our per- addition, we find that the adoption of spective was dear, the emphasis on trac- the new technology has lowered the torisation would not have been there. minimum size for economic farm opera* We can have cooperative servicing tractor lion. The progressive cultivators operat- stations. In Japan, tractor is an unknown ing about 8 acres of land can now earn entity; in Taiwan, tractor is an unknown enough to cover their consumption entity. If we have small-scale farming, expenditure and cultivators farming Sgbt traction will be needed and small about 15 acres of land can earn sub- idols will be needed. At far as big stantial surpluses for tre*invest- machine* ate concerned, they could be m ent.. . 439 C elling on MAY 29,1972 Agricultural HakUngs (tMs.) 4 #

[Shri Amrit Nahata) SHRI AMRIT NAHATA : Wo did “ These two considerations under- not distribute our election manffirsto to the tine both the possibility and the candidates of Swatantra Party. desirability of imposing a lower ceiling than has been envisaged so SHRI PILOO MODY : Or to the far." people. It is the rarest document found anywhere in India This is one of the major conclusions SHRI AMRIT NAHATA : It is said of the study conducted by the Punjab that people who draw water from private University. tubewells are handicapped as compared to the people who get water from canals MR. CHAIRMAN ; He may please constructed by the Government. If you conclude. ask the people who draw water from canals, they will say, ‘No; it is not correct; SHRI AMRIT NAHATA : I will need sometimes we do not get water; some* three more minutes, Sir. times there Is no water in the dam; the uncertainty is there; therefore, I now come to the recent controversy we are not better placed than those who about the source of irrigation. In our irrigate land from private tubewells*. But election manifesto, which is very sacred if you ask the private tubewelf owners, to me at least, it is said in para 31 : they will say, *It is wrong; we have invested so much; we have sunk these wells; we have “ Land reforms hold the key to to pay charges for electricity, this and greater effi ciency in agricultural that’. My simple suggestion is this If production and the evolution of a it is established that canal irrigation is more egalitarian social order in cheaper than tubewell irrigation, then the rural areas. ." disparity must go; it can very easily go; let the irrigation rates from canals be Then it says: increased. (Interruptton) Here lies the crux of the problem They are not "Ceiling should be applicable interested in removing this discrepancy, for the family as a whole, the term they just argue for the sake of argument. ‘family* being defined so as to This is only a ruse, this is only an excuse include husband, wife and minor to get more land in the ceilitsg If there children. Where the number of is a real disparity, it must go. After all, members in the family exceeds this controversy on ceiling, I am afraid, is five, additional land may be not a real controversy. The real contro- allowed for each member in excess versy will arise tomorrow when the Go- of five in such a manner that the vernment will think seriously of mopping total area admissible to the family up resources from the countryside. A part does not exceed twice the ceiling of the surplus resources that have been limit for a family. The ceiling for generated in the countryside must come to a family of five members may be the public exchequer. For example, fixed within the range of 10 to IS Government has set up a committee to acres of perennially irrigated land study the question of agricultural income or irrigated land capable of growing tax. That committee will make it* report two* crops,” and tomorrow or the day after, Government will have «* sccimuly apply SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): its mind to the qoeetkm of mobHMtg Where did you get this from ? resources ftom the countryside. T stopped from doing it. f«r%apr t f a $ r N N r

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[sft lTSST *T3lfcft] let Government allow the women to have some gift or streedhan land. 11 i wtfarr $ f a € t f m 3 a*r* g*Rrr g %fa?r ANNAiAHEB P. SHlNDEj : Mr. Chair- man, Sir. . . . 3ft sre^r | ( *r$ «s*5fa?£ qrcff * r * s ? r $«r i t x$r 11 arer *nf & fa * SHRI PILOO MODY Now, he is arguing for men. srarare i SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : SHRIMATI V. JfcYALAKSHMl (Siva- Including Shn Piloo Mody. kasi) : Mr. Chairman. Sir, 1 welcome this discussion. 70 per cent of the I am thankful to you for giving me an population of India are involved id opportunity to intervene m this debate. agriculture. 8o per cent among them are Shri Atal Bihari vajpayee made a statenent landless agricultural labourers. That being that our party gave slogans but perhaps so one would agree that no body can they were not meant to be implemented. possess a large quantity of land. 1 repudiate the statement. In tact, our party stands 1 irmly lor implementation of At the same time, we must think land reforms m this country. about women also. On behalf of the women from the agricultural family from If we look up back upon history, we shall the rural areas, I take this opportunity to find that in this country great progress has express the real agony of thik new limita* been made during the last 25 years. I am non. Most of the girls trora the agricultural not saying that there are not weaknesses. families in the rural areas are uneducated. The educated employed women will 17.34 hours somehow manage in Joint family with LShm K. N. TiWARY in the Chair) their own income. But as a result of this new mode of ceiling, women would In fact, my Ministry has been the first have no right to possess no gift or streedhan to point out that there are lacunae in land. So most women are clubbed the legislation and in implementation. in such a way that the women in India are There are many people who try to bound to their husbands in everything, and circumvent the land reform laws, and a now we shall be losing our freedom number of difficulties have been pointed altogether. out. But ultimately we must look to land reforms in the broader perspective. For Further, we have no equal rights in the instance, take the case of Pakistan. Even ancestral property. My humble submission today there they talk of having irrigated is that we must modify the Hindu code and land to the extent of 200 or 290 acres per tbe girls also like boys must have equal family or per holding. While yon look to rights in the ancestral property, or at least India, the way wc have progressed over 449 CeiUng vn JYMSTHK 8, 1894 (SA£A) Agricultural Holding! (0/j.) 430 the past £5 years-there are certain diffi- SHRI PILOO MOOY : You make culties in (he democratic system, 1 know, yourself non-corrupt, We will all join you. because one has to understand the whole (Interruption) phenomenon of tbe system in which we are functioning here—landlordism is no MR. CHAIRMAN: Order, please. longer there. In 1947, 40 per cent of land tenure in this country was hold by zamin* SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: dars, inamdars, jagirdart and others. Some people are worried about our party's They are no longer there. Then, the pledge. May 1 say that as far as our ceiling laws came. Of course, it is true party’s pledge is concerned, we will see that the surplus land which was available that our party's plegc is honoured, because for disposal was not substantial as was as far as we are concerned, there are no contemplated in the beginning, because of two thoughts in this matter. But we are a tbe various lacunae, but to say that noth- democratic party. We have discussions, ing has bean done in this country would, democratic dialogues. Sometimes difference 1 think, not be appropriate. Particularly are brought out openly, and perhaps some in the field of tenaucy laws, except for a of the friends opposite draw their own few cases in the north-eastern part of the conclusions, but 1 have no doubt in my country, in the rest of the country almost mind about this. I will repeat what hap* two million tenant families have been pened in the morning on the floor of settled. This is not a small achievement. this House. My party will succeed in 1 know that still—I know it personally evolving a general consensus in favour of land reform in this country. there are States where the tenancy laws are not rigorously implemented, but these We are now committed. Shri Vajpayee things should not lead us to the conclu> in the morning raised the issue by taking sion that nothing has happened in this that this is a State subject and he asked country. why the Centre should dabble with it and how we can give the States the directives. In fact, I may claim some credit for This is the accepted national policy. I my party. This morning, on the inclusion suppose even the Opposition parties have of the KLerala Land Reforms Act in the now accepted this as a national policy. Ninth Schedule to the Constitution, a unanimous vote was recorded in this House. Take, for instance, the Orissa Govern* This is a unique thing. 1 humbly submit ment. They may have certain reservations that my party has a legitimate pride in in their minds, but when they come to this, because we were the party in this the common platform, they say, “No; we country, even in the per-Independence would not like to lag behind any other days, to rouse the feeling about land party or any other State Government." reforms and to create a general conscious* Therefore, this land reform is now part ness in the country about the importance of the accepted concept, and at least as that land reforms have in our country. far as my party is concerned, there is no (Interruption) going back on this as far as tbe imple- mentation is concerned. SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : It would not be fair to equate your party at We have accepted the position that we present with your party in the pre-Indepen- have to lower the ceilings. I need not go dence period. We were also in the National into the merits, because the arguments Congress then. are well known. Technology hat advanced; disparities are there. The green revolution SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE :I hat itself created tome problem* for us am sorry you are not then sow. and we have to take note of these factors. 451 C etfH igm MAY 29.1972 Agricultural Holdings (DU.) 452

[Shri Annasaheb P. Shinde] Secondly, there is some misunderstand- So, just as land reform is the accepted ing about the whole thing. Am I supposed, policy, similarly, lowering of land ceilings or my senior colleague is supposed to is also an accepted part of oar policy. report to Parliament on a subject-matter which was not discussed and decided upon Unfortunately, some points have been by the central land reforms committee ? made about transfers in the wake of vari- I think to do so would be misleading ous States taking up legislation. Reports Parliament and the country. There may be appear in the papers that in order to honest difference of opinion whether circumvent the provisions of the law, which privately irrigated land and the government would be enacted, people are transferring sources—irrigated land should be equated land. We are very clear on this. In fact or not; there are people who say it should we have suggested to the State Govern- be equated and there may be honest difils* ments our view-point. When they enact rence of opinion and I have no quarrel. their laws, I have no doubt in our my It is not fair to say that my Ministry has mind that within the next four or five or made some change* while reporting to six months, we anticipate a number of Parliament, changes which were not States would enact laws for lowering of decided upon or discussed by the central the ceiling and when they enact laws, land reforms committee. . . (Interruptions.) necessarily our advice to them would be to It was on 4th August that a statement was have a retrospective provision. In fact, we made here. The central land reform have arrived at some sort of consensus on committee met on the 3rd and they this, that September, 1970 should be the discussed and dispersed; they did not last date, and all transfers thereafter prepare any report. Naturally the should be nullified. Therefore, those people Ministry recorded the consensus and who want to defeat the land reform laws we thought we should inform Parliament by transfers . . . (AN HON. MEMBER : about it. The same day 1 made a state- Genuine transfers ?) I am not prepared to go ment on the floor of the Rajya Sabha. into technicalities; if transfers are taking Normally we do not refer to what happe- place now, we should presume that nes in the other House but this being a they are for circumventing the law and we controversial subject, I have to do that. should proceed on that presumption. On the 4th August I was not prepared These transfers are not permissible, pnma for any supplementary; I never thought I facie. would be asked questions. Mr. R q Narain, Unfortunately a number of things were then a Member of the Rajya Sabha, asked : said particularly about the statement which what is the definition of irrigated land ? is under discussion today. Some papers, On the 4th of August, I said in the other some people say that the recommendations House; in regard to irrigated land the of the central land reforms committee have understanding of the land reforms commit* been distorted and not only my name and tee—-not my understanding or my Ministry's my ministry’s name but also the name of understanding—has been that perennially my senior colleague were brought in. As irrigated lands were lands "which got a humble colleague, I would appeal to the water for two seasons from Government good sense of Members because I have a sources or State tubewells.” As far as facts humble claim to make that my ministry is are concerned, this is the position, which one of the ministries which is making was explamd on that very day. The Mini- some contribution to the economy of the ster's statement should be read in the country and I request them not to try to context. Where is the question of any condemn institutions which are making distortion ? useful contributions to the economy of the I am not saying that the land reforms country. committee cannot make a mistake or that 453 C*iHng on JYAISTHA 8,1*94 (SAJCA) Agricultural Holding/ (Dts.) 454

I cannot commit an error. Nobody it some objection later and he said, "Please infallible. Suppose you feel that this examine our legislation*'. So main the recommendation is out correct, you can Planning Commission, my ministry change it. So. to say that the Ministry and the Home Ministry examined it. has distorted or misled the public is a There also the definition of irrigated very unfair charge. So, I appeal to the land is land irrigated from government hon. Members not to have any misunder- source. So, is there any basis to standing as far as that matter is concerned. sustain the charge that my ministry is trying to do something deliberately ? If As I said it is open to Parliament to there is some misunderstanding, at least make whatever changes it wants, it is a after this debate, let this controversy be sovereign body and even if the central land buried and let us concentrate on how land reforms committee makes some recom- reforms can be properly implemented. Let mendation, if this House recommends some us understand the problem in depth and changes in those recommendations, it is act on that basis. binding on us. When this controversy started appearing Mr. Panda is not here; he says that some in the press, we convened a meeting of phrase has been smuggled. On 15th the Central Land Reforms Committee* November In this House we replied to the whtch went into the verbatim record of same question and it was explained. the conference and tbit it the conclusion Nobody noticed it. All of a sudden, when which they drew : the Ministry's report was placed on the Table of the House, I do not know what "In the discussion that ensued, happened; people thought the Ministry had the first point to be discussed at distorted something and brought about length was whether or not the Mini* some modifications. stry of Agriculture had distorted the recommendations of the Committee. A number of laws were enacted and my At the request of some members ministry has examined all of them. Whor- relevant portions from the verbatim ever irrigated land has been defined in report of the meeting held on 16-4-1971 ceiling laws, it has been with reference to were read out. The view exptesse d land irrigated from Government source. at that meeting was that irrigation You can say that this is a wrong position, from private sources should not be but this has been the legal position. A law equated with irrigation from public was enacted in West Bengal during Presi- sources because such a policy might dent's rule. This was put to the Consulta­ inhibit future investment in irrigation. tive Committee where many of the members No opposition to that point of view from CPI, CPM, etc. were there. There was expressed by any member of the also the definition given is land irrigated Committee. In the meeting held oo from government source and nobody August 3, 1971, the question of dif- objected to it. Now they are trying to ferentiating between private and level some charges. The laws are proce- public discussion were held in two ssed and examined by the Planning Com- stages on the dates, first on 16th mission, Home Ministry and my Ministry April, 1971 and then on third August, before President’s assent is given. All the 1971. These discussion should be ministries said unanimously that they are considered together. The question of all right. The Bihar law also defines it as source of irrigation was discussed land irrigated from government source. in the first meeting and no opposition Recently In Madhya Pradesh, Sethiji thou- was expressed to the view that private ght the Government of India may take irrigation should not be equated 455 C elling on MAY 1% 1*72 Agricultural Holdings (£<*.) 456

[Shri Annasaheb P. Shinde] collective farming. I am sorry, Shri Piloo with public irrigation. The question Mody could not follow the difference was not re-opened on 3*8 71. Clarifi- between the two. As far as this statement cation to this effect was given in of Shri Vajpayee is concerned, of course, Rajya Sabha on 4*8-1971 immediately we want to reduce the disparity in the after the statement was made. The present holdings ofland. We consider it same stand was taken in answering a as one of the most important and basic Lok Sabha Question later on. After problems of our policy. So, I want to considering all aspects of the matter assure the farmers that the Congress the Committee came to the conclu- Party and our government stand in favour sion that there was absolutely no of protecting the property of small holders basis for the charge that the Ministry of this country. Therefore, there should of Agriculture had distorted the be no fear of collectivisation as such. recommendations of the Committee. The Committee desired it to be «ft fco Tito n w f t * : recorded that there was no attempt w **rr?r ft | aft *r*ft to mislead the public." *?rt sft ft fa*ri # sn^crr g fa ft^ r Mr. Chittibabu said that I have said *ft£ t sft | *5 s*r»?t that there are some defects in the Tamil | ft *ft Nadu law. So far as land reforms are concerned, I have no quarrel with any ffarr 5rT?n $ *t ^ *ft State Government. Of course, it is my f% 11 ft?** ft duty to bring to their notice if there is any *TG 3TPT*T f , WT V* *Wt aft lacuna. Their -law is better than the laws in many other States. Still, there are some fVrtT «rcTRT | aft srr*3tetft lacunae. For instance, many exemptions w s r tf t , PlRft tft are still there. The upper limit was allmost s f a m areanr snr s*?tt 60 acres. Recently they have reduced that. There are still some points in regard to t , i t, 50 to what t* *t nf fa 3*3 % fa*m ft sst would be the proportion of private invest* s * * fts * F T i f s s s t apftsfas**# meet and public inveatnent in privately* «rt s g s s % m s f # 1 ig v owned irrigated land ? arits | st stsf *fsft sfl 1 s s r s SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDB : fcses s> ss s* w s % fS-*S|| There are two aspects of this problem. There is some difference of opinion, and sis $r ssw* **fts «i^)f «rt istf honestly I would say, on this point. s*t# arfm tt^t fsur *wr / Firstly, a substantial portion of the invest* 3 *s its vt tjs ss S# *ST STfcrt ment is naturally from the public eector. j 1 Srfas fq *&s * fiis^st sir w SHRI H. M. PATEL (Dhanduka): f a s t $ f a aft $ s -s r ® s f , aft %?#V * r There is very little time left. If questions and Answers go 00 like this, we cannot get s«Rt f, st %*t vxsi ansfr ssnft anfts much time. *tarn*,sssrsT%% sw iss^ s* TT*% 3S*t *Sg I1 Sg sv S» SHRI PILOO MODY: Let them ask xftx each other in their party meeting and not *t *ft sIt st sgt st s% 11 to ts % waste the time of the House. st* 3 war *?st vfsr f f a s t s q * ? SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : This is a iftfs*r 5fT 1 s s very relevant question. It should be answer- sts irgf ^ #s-s'ts farR % ft srfav ed now. (Interruptiont) f sf fswr sfr 1 pr ss far Nft f MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Darbara Singh. fa s? far ss* It fs»s^ w \ f m • ft t | | 1 sir 5t* | fa f«% fs^ st «ft STSTTT fa? (gtfsSRqpt) : %stss st, s$ sfs sgij sarm sst* ys s» ^ if^sm fail t ss% fs^ sqrro f a s i arr ?p r t , >nrt vwr s s r mrt % 1 srs srt f^j«iR % gwfsq* fa f7?t^ft?ES ftsri 1970 % sin st«ftt ar*r s» stfinr vt T $ | 1 $ * 5 f s f s * f f% (ftsr 1 sf *bt qr?it, sf sisqst f s f ^ s s * * WT^i! I «TS s> ^ t w rft zr^ s*%rc s e t m stf tflT?r«rw % arfrfr fft f, wr ftrftUss «r z t s jfefr t$ $ fa *fc*s s i s f a *s slfen ^ *tst 1 1 arfrJiT ^ f5r 1 isfas fsJr s^rT^t sift, «ns*s wfawT* sssr *tsr, Irfas ss fasrft ?fsqfT f iftr ISfs* #VT fa Sl8we WWT m iftr vTtsf w sr fiPfwrs s t * m 4 | s r | ss^t TfaSTS VTrftSlfW »ss# *q% *s aftfasrs* fs*js srwrswfts«r st » *f> * * a fk s r Tfasrs is STf mfv srfss st fa WTfiRS «TTt WT% STft §fS«F?f SffPWf «hrr*TT s $ t 1 xfr* w rm i ss *rtff w t sr^ ift sw fiwnaft «r* 1 ffcfefrws fcm w s t i t | f a 3? st*ft sarfr m* fttrr ss? 1 ^SfTOT sW ST*TT % WST^r S f Wt st fcsst % srf*s vrfr*rss«ift gt*f sut^«n!f ?fsq^ «wst «mt f a v r s f a o r » * * MM* f a r * s * **3r 1 1 fa# ^ II % sts st, 439 C4iUng m M AY2»»W tt Ajrttoiim t BoUHm*ifiM 4*»’

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[*h m u m !% f] hag b eet retoeraied so gamy tim et 4* oar important resolutions and even in our « « * * «vmnr i w | fa *hPir election manifesto. We are prepared to go aft4M«t| w*t * to the farthest limit of the optimum size of a holding because we think that there g w w r j I is need to introduce equity in the SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA ownership pattern in the rural areas But (Begusarai)* Mr. Chairman, by tin time this mwst be cot sistent with a progressive, 1 have addressed you, lam not quite sure dynamic ard burgeoning agriculture. that my time it finot already over. That is in fact a categorical MUST in the However, if there are landless in this given Indian situation oonatry, I find that there are timehas to A Aill statement on this subject would this House, if I can use ’timeless" with a be made available by the Working different connotation altogether. Or, at Committee of my Party this evening and best, you can say that there are those to even that would not be a final statement whose lot has fallen Uneconomic time* because the final st tten ent must wait till and since It seems to be completely beyond theie is a final decision of the Government your capacity to make ‘uneconomic’ time oo the Central Land Reforms Committee’s ‘economic*. That also seems to be the recommendations The Government has position of this Government also that it not obliged us, even after ten months it cannot make uneconomic holding has not obliged us, with its decision on economic or give land to the landless the recommendations of the Central Land The position of the Chair and the position Reforms Com mttee It has not given us of the Government are absolutely on all even adequate statistics on the basis of fours the same which we can give our opinion in a sensible manner on the subject However I would Sir. it is quite clear that there can be only say that we want that all care tliould no meaningful contribution to this highly be taken in coming to a decision on thi» complex subject during the time that is subject so that stagnation does not made available to me Indeed (he come to grip our agriculture also so that controversy over this subject is so charged this agricultural stagnation joining hands with irrational emotion that he would be with industrial stagnation to make the the moddest of all persons who will try to crisis complete in the country introduce a measure of rationality during the meagre time available in this debate sft f«v«r (sWtipft) • s*nf?r I don’t want, Mr Chairman, to give ngtor, argT av ^f*r expression to simplistic formulations or m ( , it ufa* wifft* bold statements on this subject We can utilise a future occasion to give expression fa aft sr*tor # tftar fw?f«r to our views Otherwise, I am afraid, urn ** % I may be making myself an utterly w r fatft

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f * «nff $>rr « t % , ismt grot *> no reason for revising ceiling here. In fact, there is indirectly as ceiling, of S * Sfcrr wrffS, course, on all other professions, that is to wh wt ? fjrwq ^frr star say, that which is put by direct taxes wwk *»t ?fVRT*r wrr^ 1 snftar «pr «T£*nTr such as income-tax and so on, limiting the person's income, but there the income $ t %ft* f r w T qrg *% % snft* % that is fixed is in terms of lakhs of rupees. wtct ter*re *ft snfrr ui* But here what is the ceiling ? Even if you * 1 | «frr sft T«5t *ft | i ther it be irrigated land or otherwise, and you ashame that the farmer is really going SHRI H. M. PATEL (Dhanduka) : 1 to earn 8 thousand rupees or so not per think the question of ceiling is, as the acre, yet he is going to be still well below hon. Minister has said rightly, full of whatever cciling there exists today directly misapprehensions. We ought to start, and indirectly on the other professions. of course, from the fact that ceilings were But I am not really here concerned with introduced earlier on, and the question that. What I would lies is an answer now is one only of revision, that is, to my question : What is the basis on revision downwards. which you have fixed the ceiling ? The question that 1 would like to put is this. What is the basis on which you Then, I would put this question. The are fixing the ceiling ’ Is it on the basis surplus land that you may acquire in this of the income that may he derived from a way is going to be in many different particular holding ? Or is it on the basis pockets. It will be a very difficult problem of an efficient unit, a unit which is efficient to allot it in any sensible way. Those economically from the point of view who have had experience of consoiida* of modern agriculture ? What is the tion of holdings should be well aware of basis ? the fact that it is a virtually impossible task. In most States, the task of consolidating holdings has had to be given up. This There must be some basis and clearly, task is not going to be easy. But, to if income is the basis, this is a point which whom are you going to give this surplus also should be remembered, namely that land r Are you going to give it to those farming n something where when you fix whose holdings are non-viable so as to a ceiling, you are actually fixing a ceiling make them viable ? fn fact, before this, on the man’s income. When a comparision I may put this question: How much with urban ceiling is made, this distinction are you proposing to give out of this is impoiUnt to bear in mind The urban surplus land to each individual ? What ceiling is a ceiling put on property in a is this particular unit ? particular form. You leave the man whose property you put a ceiling on, still free to earn whatever be likes with his MR. CHAIRMAN Now, the hon. Member should try to conclude. normal profession. But here this is the sole means of livelihood; this is ihe source of income, and, therefore, (hist distinction SHRI H. M. PATEL : If you do not should be clearly borne in mind. let me finish even two points, 1 might as well sit down. The two are not comparable. Because you fix a ceiling on urban land or MR. CHAIRMAN: He m»y finish urban property, therefore, is his point*. 471 CWftqrm MAY 3», am Agrtoitmd HobUnga (0fc) 472

SHRI H. M. PATEL. I am trying money in compensation. At it is today, to make only points and I am not even regularly, the ate of the (and holdings is elaborating them going down

MIL CHAIRMAN : Thera » no time. There was one point that was made and Thai to why I am asking the hon Member that was important also We talk in terms to be brief and conclude. of the country as a whole. But I must urge that in agriculture conditions that prevail SHRI H. M. PATEL What is this vary from area to area in the country I unit ? How many acres will you give out of would refer to one thing. Take the posi- the surplus land to each person and as and tion in Surat and Bulsar — formerly they when you proceed to distribute ? If that were one district, now they are two districts be so, as somebody pointed out, latge 74 per cent of the farms have an average numbers of holdings, in fact, the over- size of less than three hectares and the exis- whelming majority of holdings are below ting ceiling in this district are* 6 5 hectares two acres or below two hectares, certainly of ummgated land, or 3 2 hectares of sea- they will form the overwhelming majority. sonally irrigated rice land, and 1.6 hectares Do you regard two hectares as a viable hold- of perennially irrigated land. This Is the ing T If not, would it not be more in the celling as it is in operation today in this interest of the country to make those district of Gujarat But ceilings vary from non-viable holdings into viable ones and district to district then to proceed to think of those who are landless labour or landless agricultural MR. CHAIRMAN Please try to con- workers ? elude

Finally, I think thisi s a point which you SHRI H M PATEL 1 can claim that may well consider Is it everybody and the ceiling laws have been enforced fairly anybody who can take to farming? Farm- satisfactorily in Gujarat, though not of ing is not only a hard business and hard course as satisfactorily as one might wish work is called for but it is also an art. Are these ceilings so high that they should There is something which makes a farmer be lowered further? Why should they be and not everybody can be a farnwr and if lowered? These ceilings were worked out you want farming to be prosperous and so in the old days on the criterion that they on, then I think you must take that factor should produce an income of Rs 3,600 a also into account year The ceilings vary in Gujarat from as low as 15 20 acres rising to 200 and odd There is another point which 1 think is acres m some places, depending on the qua- not usually borne in mind and that is the lity of the land, avatlablity of water and so operation ot landholdings on the lot of on Harijans in our country You mav fix a ceiling today My holdings may be AN HON. MEMBER Is it for family today at the ceiling If I have four or individual? sons, the holding is going to be devided into four The ceiling on land holding, SHRI H M. PATEL These ceilings are which was a good one, which was for individuals, family conoept has come presumably fixed to bring in a fairly satis- now If you look at the report of the inten- factory income for the family, would imme- sive agricultural district programme which diately become almost non-viable If you was published in which full statistics are would think in terms of bringing in a law, given—I have no time, otherwise I would that would be good* something in the nature give you full facts and figures you will see of primogeniture or ensuing that only one that in practice it is not just a question of person gets the land and the rest get some crfling being for individuals, but for Family 473 Ceiling m JYAlSTHA 9, 1894 (S4KA) Agricultural Holdings (Dis.)» 474 holdings. It is no! as if large amounts of OTTSfSt #«€ ^ surplus land are available. Whatever ceil- ings you fix, when you compare the surplus fiRHft STtWTf* =PT^ f, 3*% land likely to be available with the number fin? w v r w ^ *»f of the landless people or persons whose ^sr% m Hww | ^ftftnr wt holdings are non-viable you will find that those whom you are likely to benefit would t m*t 10 «ftT 18 % * * r Twt, be a negligible number of people. «TT5f TT fliq- frr I, ^rwpt ft&w % t sr^t 3rr?rT %f%JT xpp *r?r «ft WWTH («Tfon5fl) : mm | fv 10 ?rk 18 % frirefo r *rr$«r, s t t t f^nsnifV s f w r ^f>t%nr =srt| ^ anspr 5 fk ^ f «r*rr Ht#sr?ft tn ssrct srm fam * t3t a t ^ ^ srr^atJ ^ft#«r i ihtt *rt «r r *r 90 w t *f$ wftfr §t, jtt fprrc* § *r? f m f w * t o ***$ iirafWf % ?T«r ir w wn «pt% % wawr «rtx !Tgt 11 «n%, % JTT*r t t , < 6 fa ? n w % «n{ fwrnr crrsr *p i ( i *rm t *, ircfrnft % *rw

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g ^ »rfora*r imn 1i *t$r it vwf t 9*rerar*fcEf% vt ?«rrvt it mt*t 1 «rfar % 3?rc Ere «ft ire $*T2t $fc- stft %nr^r 3 6 ?ft q>m affa ?r ^ faw*a *rem mwft qfwx *pt ? ^r 1 1 ^ m& »r*ro3te sttf *t *rer*r «tt i *n*r «u^ t ^ 2r fa «wj^ gt% | 1 fa srr*%? rifer tfcSlra $t amprr I ^ vm-vm **rrtft *r frr^rrfr sm&s tfta *Pt it*3rar *t*t?t *£t % 1 n qrrsft wmrr |, vf ( i f?wr *t «rero fc1 wdr *t f?rr^> »r ?*r ^fr «it wtqfr i»r-aNr ^ ^ stvtt # ijftr |, irf*m*w *rre% ^rr frret f 1 vr f^|^T?r *r ?m?r 54 qw tftffcPT ft 8®Ffft | ^fatr, fa^JTT ^r F$*|fcrR t art ^ si*ftt vr anfft ft i to *rrc sw «P7t#z ?r«P5r 11 far^np iwt 56 qvY *t arTar lure ate arrn, ar 3 «m-«T5T*T ^ I | t7«f-qr* ^ % w#?pc Wrw «p*‘w fa gmt xiar^nJT * 22 «m*T-«f?rn gmm *w*n % 332 HTf «* *ftfa«r $1 332 ^nr aft «TT ^ ^ » v * fa fa# ?rcg it fare *Ft wrt? irk fa# 479 Ceiling on MAY 29. 1972 Agricultural Holding! (£Hs.) 486

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f*T ift V # «WT if |, %fa* f f«t%W «rr% w if snrraT w r wnjen f fa $f ^rrrw ^ ( i ^nnflfiruT totst if w* fasrm, fa*i% fa# ^ ^ v& v $ ift T w ft% % i w f m % i r h ttf> 5^i h s% gq fercr fMnrsr ^F'nT fa vfaiw ^ ^ gtw m*r *PTfT t w h | , ^r TO % fcn i mfin? 3 *r*ft collectivisation of land, alt those who ip w i r l t o t *rr*«rr f • * (wrww) opposed the land reforms to Russia, f i f f «?f«!% IP T » vw% opposed the collectivJsatlon-HK»t thousands but millions of them—were liquidated and %«nfPvTwi%i m rc t $ f ’* r crt n milions more wore sent to concentration ^ tp^ *nff %qt, (frwfnw gt camps. This is oa record. Mr. Khrushchev •st

(Shri Samar Guha] a little calculatikw After 25 years, there 61 India and the land in Russia is more have been so many land reforms Out of than five times that of India 20 States and Union Territories, in ten, fe[piT|, ^ 'R ^ r tell us that

t | f ? w »ftard «pt SHRI SAMAR GUHA That was the «n ^ | (g'rai*) Problem Problem is the benumt trans- fers of land Problem is the problem of SHRI SAMAR GUHA As 1 was share-croppeis interests Problem is the pointing out, even after 50 years of problem of preserving the interests of revolution, Russia, though it proved to tenants In West Bengal there are many be successful in other spheres ha* good laws— the Tenancy Act the bhare miserably failed m the sphere of agricul- Croppers Act and all kinds of legislation ture and land r dor ms The result is that, From the available Government records still, Russia » in debcit in food and has it appeare that 16,000 civil rule* and to procure food from Canada and other 65,000 civil suits are pending involving places . (Interruptions) My whole point land vested in the State by tbe operation was this While we approach the land ol the West Bengal bstate Acquisition reforms question 1 would say this that Act and about I 68 lakhs acres of vested we may have many things to copy from agricultural land could not be distributed Russia, we may have many things to get on account of injunction issued by the from Russia, but in the field of agricul- courts Out of these injunctions, civil ture and land reforms, we should not copy rules account to 1 01 lakh acres and civil Russia, we should not take any particular suits account for 67 000 of the cases lesson from Russia (Interruptions) What will happen regarding such litigations if you bring Share Croppers Act and Tena It appears lo me that the whole ncy Act, Land Reforms Act and if you discussion on lowering of ceiling is almost want to lower tbe oeilings ? What about futile implementation ? According to the Articles 226 and 227 of the Constitution, there MR CHAIRMAN Please conclude will be lakhs of litigation cases and what will these poor peasants do ? SHRI SAMAR GUHA I could not talk even two minutes There were so Therefore, the basic problem is not many interruptions only lowering the ceiling for distribution of the laud to the landless and for We had already some land reforms ensuring the interests of tbe share croppers - from 12 acres to 338 acres io Rajasthan and for ensuring the interests of the It is fantastic t In 1971—-these are statis- tenants but you see, this picture of 25 years tics provided by the Government—what even if you make tbe law, yon cannot was the total cultivable land in our implement u, because of the litigation country ? It was 18,12,30.000 hectares process and also the bureaucracy which is This is Governments figure I have made wholly opposed to this kind of ref bm . 485 Ceding

Lastly, 1 will finish by saying that it wtftar m : t % appears to me that to make a differen- tiation between the Government-irrigated fa* ** m?r 'jsft t wr&rr f i land and the private-irrigated land is like making a difference between Tweedledum w rw fir tra and Tweedledee. One point which is logical is that tf tbe privately*iirigated i w n m T tfa* i land is brought under the ceiling law, w r v ta * i then what will happen regarding private fund for irrigation ? It is argued that it will take away the incentive to agricul- v tftn « t : frnr src* tural production. It is a logic which it * i f i t i % f a n , *rrq- not a foolproof. I want to ask one question. What was the object of bank nationalisation ? To give them, t» give if * • • (iwro) • • * the cultivators easy loans so that they can manage irrigation of their lands. There- fore, it appears to me that there must H unftr : ip t t *tt # ( m r privately-irrigated land and the Govern- $£ ^T35*rr I I will not ask the ment-irrigated land . (Interruptions) hon. Minister to give his reply if you do not hear him 1 will adjourn the House. As I started, I will conclude by saying No interruptions are allowed. Kindly hear that the whole exercise on the ceiling the Minister. controversy is futile. Unless you can control ben ami transfers of land, unless SHRI P. A. AHMED: In my statement you can control the litigation, unless you on the 27th AprU, 1972, I had placed can control the interests of the share* before the House all the relevant facta croppers and unless you can control other regarding the recommendations of tbe interests of the tenants, this will be only Central Land Reforms Committee. Even an exercise, 1 should say, in ideological after that statement, some misunderstand- thinking and jugglery of progressive words. ing seems to have continued. I am, there- Nothing else. fore, glad that this House has been able to devote a few hours today to have a MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Minis- thorough discussion about oailing on ter. agricultural lands. The main point which is under consideration is whether the land SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) : irrigated through private source should be I had given notice under Rule 193... equated with the land irrigated through the Government source. And, about tbit MR. CHAIRMAN : No, please. In Tact matter, clarification has been given by my there are 20 more names. colleague, Shri Shinde wherefrom it will be apparent that at no stage had we given SHRI VASANT SATHB : If we a n not either before this Houee or before tbe allowed, then what It the use of giving Rajya Sabha any other statement than notice. . -(Interruptions) the statement of the decision taken by the Central Land Reforms Committee. TUB MINISTER OP AGRICULTURE As he has given those instances I would (SHRI P.A. AHMED): Mr. Chairman, not like to repeet or go through tbs same points. 487 e a tin g on MAY 29, 1972 Agricultural Holdings (D u.) 488

[Shri F. A, Ahmed] answering a Lok Sabha question later But, I would only like to say one on. After considering all aspect* of tbing that this matter was recently taken the matter at length, the Committee up and considered by the Central Land came to the unanimous conclusion Reforms Committee. Thp Laud Reforms that there is absolutely no basis to r Committee, after considering all the the charge that the Ministry of Agri- aspects, and various view-points which culture had distorted the recommen- have been expressed in the newspapers, dations of the Committee. The Com- and various statements which have been mittee desired it to be recorded that made by various people and the discussions there was no attempt to mislead the whieh were held pa two occasions by the public.'* Central Land Reforms Committee,—after considering alt those decisions,—they 1 would like to point out that the decision came to the following conclusion. I of the Committee was reported to the House, both to the Lok Sabha and the quote. Rajya Sabha, And, the interpretation given to that decision has been supported by the "In the discussion that ensued Land Reforms Committee in their subse- the first point to be discussed at quent meetings. When they have passed length was whether or not the Mim- such a clear Resolution and taken a certain stry of Agriculture had distorted the decision in this matter, there can be no recommendations of the Committee. question of questioning their decision At the request of some members, relevant portions from (he verbatim Now, may I point out that however, report of the meeting held on 16-4-1971 since the question whether private iruga- were read out. The view expressed tion should be equated with public irriga- at that meeting was that irugation tion has been raised, the Committee from private sources should not be proceeded to recori'uhr the matter ? equated with irrigation from public Considerable discussion took place on sources because such a policy might this issue In the meeting held on the 9th inhibit future investment in irriga- May, it was decided that a decision should tion. No opposition to that point be taken after consulting the Chief of view was expressed by any member Ministers. While taking a decision, Govern- of the Committee In the meeting ment will bear m mind the points made held on August 3,1971. the question by the hon Members in today’s debate. of differentiating between private and public irrigation was not raised. The 19 hrs. Committee noted that the discussions were held in two stages on two dates, May I just point out that so far as this first, on 16th April, 1971 and then on decision is concerned, that has to be taken 3rd August, 1971. These discussions after consulting all the Chief Ministers* as should be considered together. The early as possible ? Then Government will question of source of irrigation was be able to take a decision regarding this discussed in the first meeting and no matter and see how this controversy should opposition was expressed to the view be settled. that private irrigation should not be equated with public irrigation. The SHRI D. K. PANDA : May I know question was not re-opened on 3-8- whether the Cabinet was opposed to any 1971. Clarification to this effect was such distinction ? given in the Rajya Sabha on 4-8*1971 iW lw m t : # immediately after the statement was made. The same stand was taken in i h 419 Cetltug on JYAISTHA *, 1 9 9 4 (SAKA) Agrlcultutai Holdings {DU,) 490

irw H w n^hm : # irrr# w n rs SHRI F. A. AHMED : 1 may juat point out that what the Land Reforms v r t??t g i Committee has decided it that so far as the previous decision is concerned that *ft wtifar m : ^ 5 «ft f , 3 was a correct one and the correct inter* 3 S

fvsrtdr % «nft *ft b t & z «ft? MR. CHAIRMAN : No questions. H m trfk^r^ star % m*r% *r House stands adjourned to meet again tomorrow at 11 a.m. fswT i 3 * «IT 19 03 hrs q?F *?

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