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( No. a j, Friday, December 16, 1977/Agrahayana 25, 18w (Saka)

C o l u m n s Oral Answers to Questions:

•Stiirred Questions Nos. 446, 452 to 454 and 456 I—30

Statement e. Seating Arrangements made at the Closing Ceremony of Agri-Evpo 7 7 ...... 9

Written Answers to Questions:

Starred Questions Nos. 447 to 451, 455 and 457 to 466 30—57

Unstarred Questions Nos. 4167 to 4212, 4214 to 4291, 4293 to 4320 and 4322 to 4366 58—254

Re. Hunger strike by General Secretary of Workers’ Union of Bharat Heavy Electricals, Hyderabad 255-56

Papers laid on the Table 256—62

Message from Rajya Sabha 262-63

Callinp Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance—

Increase in the terrorist activities of Anand Marg during the last one year 263—70

Public Accounts Committee—

Twentieth and Fifty-fourth Reports 271

C:>nmittee on the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes—

First and Seventh Reports 271

Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House—

Fourth Report 272

■ Statement re. Government decisions on recommendations of Oil Prices Committee—

Shri H. N. Bahuguna 272—76

•The sign 4-marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. C o l u m n s

Statement re. Take-over of managtmtnt of M«esrs. Bengal Chemical and Pharmaceutical Works Ltd., Calcutta

Shri H.K. Bahuguna 276-77

Business of the House 278—89

Interest Bill— Introduced 289-90

Constitution (Forty-fourth Amendment) Bill—Introduced 290—313

Matters under Rule 377— (i) Boycott of \Vage Boards of working journalists and non- journalist employees by I.E.N.S. and Indian Languages Newspapers Association . . . 313-14 (ii) Non-availability of Streptomycin medicine 314 (iii) Strike at Atomic Power Station in Kota 315 (iv) Indefinite strike by Maharashtra Government employees 315— 17

Supreme Court (Number of Judges) Amendment Bill—

Motion to consider— Shri Shanti Bhushan 317—21 Dr. V. A. Seyid Muhammad . 321—24 Shri Ganga Singh 324—29 Shri Somnath Chatterjee 3*9—33 Sbri O. V. Alagesan 333—39

Natio lal Holiday on Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose’s Birthday Bill—

Motion to consider 339—91 Shri Samar Guha 339—67? 390-91 Shri Durga Chand 3^7—69 Dr. Ramji Singh 3<>9—72 Shri Laxmi Narain Nayak 372—74 Shri Sushil Kumar Dhara 374—7$ Shri C. K. Chandrappan 378—83 Shri Chitta Basu 383—85 Prof. P. G. Mavalankar 385—9°

Half-an-hour Discussion—

Nationalisation of Sugar Industry— Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu J9t—*4b0 Prof. P. G. Mavalankar 401—403 Shri Bhami Prarap Singh 401—410 LOK SA0HA DEBATER

I 2 LOK SABHA (c) The deficit was covered by d^aw down of tbe op&ting cash balance.

Friday, December 16, 1977/Agraha- SHRI R. VENKATARAMAN: The yana 25, 1899 (Saha) hon. Finance Minister has stated that the accounts are not finalized. Nor- mally, after ^he accounts are closed, The Lok Sabha rr\et at Eleven of how many mqnti* it takes for the accounts to be jQ0t^i2ed? Has there been the Clock any delay in -th g year 1976? If so, is [M r. Speaker in the Chair] the separation^? accounts from Audit responsible for the delay?

SHRI H. M. PATEL: Well, I suppose/ ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS in a sense yo!f can say that the separation of accounts from Audit is res- Deficit anticipated in the revised esti- ponsible. The scheme of departmen- mates for 1976-77 talisation of accounts of civil depart- *446. SHRI R. V E N K A TA R A M A N : ments was introduced in stages in Will the Minister of FINANCE be 1976-77. While some Ministries were pleased to state: covered from 1st April itself, ’others., were covered from 1st July and 1st (a) the deficit anticipated in the re- October respectively. Hence, the ac- vised estimates for the year 1976-77 counts for the year continued to be and the actual deficit for the year end- compiled by the Accountant-General ed 1976-77; (Central Revenues) and these have not yet beeh finalized. Complete ac- vb) the reasons for the variations; counts as well ag the correct picture and would, therefore, be available* vffeen (c) the manner in which the deficit the final accounts and the report® was covered? thereon are "■submitted by tjie C eg ip - troller and ^uditor-GeneraL These THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND are usually received only in Febru- REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. ary-March of the following year. M. PATEL): (a) The Revised Esti- SHRI R., VENKATARAMAN: mates for 1076-77 anticipated a bud- The Finance Minister knows, because getary deficit of Rs. 425 crores. The he has presented the budget in that form, accounts for the year have not yet l^een finalised. However according to that in thie pafct the budget was presented in four accounts—accounts for information available with the Reserve the year ended, the budget estimates, B;»nk, the budgetary deficit for that year may be considerably smaller. the revised estimates and the budget estimates fo r the com ing year. Dur«* (b) The variations can be analysed ing the last few years the presenta- ■■ fully only when the accounts for the tion of the budget is somewhat distort- year are finalised. However, the availed. There is no statement of accounts able departmental figures indicate that for the year ended, and no explana*: the variation from the Revised Esti- tion is given for the variation between mates was mainly due to shortfalls in the revised estimates and the actual expenditure under a number of Grants. accounts. Will the hon. Finance Min- 3066— LS— 1 3 Oral Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Oral Answers

ister restore the old practice and pre- aware of the news item referred to sent the accounts for the year ended IB the Question. also in his presentation of the budget for the year 1078-79? The points raised in the press report are not borne out by facts. The Agri- SHRI IL M. PATEL: I can only say Expo. 77 was conceived with the in- at this stage that I shall do my best tention of providing an integrated ex- to revert to whatever is the corrcct position of the developments of the practice. field of agriculture and its allied sectors. Its primary aim was to project MR. SPEAKER: He will examine the progress already attained, the pro- that. grammes in hand and tl»e projections into the future in the vital area of SHRI H. M. PATEL: The reason is agriculture. Tfce Exposition served that there has been this change in the the purpose of educating a large num- system. Therefore, until all these ber of people from the rural areas who things come back to normal, we can- visited the fair and also of acquainting not possibly, I cannot possibly give people of the urban sections of our any firm date. society with the achievements ia the rural areas and in increasing their “Afrierpo^-A massive non-event’ awareness of the vitally important role + of agriculture, to our economic well- •452. SH RI SH IV SA M P A T I R A M : being. As is common in all fairs, the SHRI D. G. GAW AI: number of daily visitors gradually increased after the inauguration of Will the Minister of COMMERCE the fair; from 18,000 per day to almost CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- AND 2 lakh per day towards the close of OPERATION be pleased to state: the fair. The fair’s popularity became (a) whether it is a fact that the evident by the persistent demand for Agriexpo fair in Delhi was inaugurat- its extension. This, however, was not ed on the 13th November, when it was found possible in view of the prior not complete and the construction was commitments of the Trade Fair Au- going on in several pavilions; thority of India and the fair ground. In all more than 16 lakh persons visi- (b) whether the attention of Gov- ted the fair including over 2 lakh fa r- ernment has been invited to a press mers and artisans for whom arrange- report in the Hindustan Times dated ments of free board and lodging were 21st N ovem ber, 1977 under the head- made. They were acquainted with ing “Agriexpo—a massive non-event”; the progress made in the development an d of high yielding variety of seeds, fertilisers, pesticides, plant protection (c) the reaction of Government thereto? equipment and the adoptation of mo- dem science and technology to agri- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE culture. The fair was visited by more MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND than 75,000 students and a large num - CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- ber of foreigners and visiting delega- TION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) to (c). tions. A statement is laid on the Table of th e House. fir * t r : w t Statement v>fV fJTT fiF JBfa’ *ttt £ sftr w t ura Except one or two pavilions which ?ptt% % ^ wwre receiving the final touches, all the pavilions were ready on the day of inauguration. The Government is Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6

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w k q r 1 1 # SHRI MOHAN DHARIA: There is nothSttf like a tragedy. Old habits die 3<*Rf % %TFft ^fe^Tt ^PTTf f*F hard. f r ? i k w r %% *r trnr ?n£f SHRI VASANT SATHE: It may be %■ |[ i an expression of the things to come.

SHRI T. A. PAI: It is the normal SHRI MOHAN DHARIA: It shall be tendency of the Minister to defend a fortunate day for the country when whatever the Department says___ Mr. Sathe comes down from his dreams. MR. SPEAKER: Is it your personal experience? I do appreciate the anxiety and the suggestion of the hon. Member. I do SHRI T. A. PAI: I am speaking from feel that the deficiencies as pointed my personal experience. The only out by the Members of Parliament and w ay these things can be corrected is, by others must be taken serious note when mistakes are pointed out by the of. Some of my friends who had vi- Members of Parliament, they are taken sited this Exhibition have brought to up seriously. We do not expect the my notice certain deficiencies. . . . Minister to be responsible for what happens. I would like to know MR. SPEAKER: Including seating whether the Department has taken arrangements for Members of Parlia- care to find out the deficiencies in this ment. Exhibition so that they may not be repeated again. The Minister said that SHRI MOHAN DHARIA: I shall be the Department has considerable expe- making a separate statement on that. rience in holding these exhibitions. In Certain deficiencies have been brought my speech on the General Budget I to my notice. We have already taken had said that the performance of our up the matter; yesterday itself, I had exhibitions elsewhere outside India is a meeting with the Chairman and the a very poor show. Either we partici- Managing Director of the Trade Fair pate seriously or we do not partici- Authority, and several suggestions pate at all. It is the poor image of have come out. One is—for the bene- the country that is being reflected. I fit o f farmers— instead of having one would very much like that whenever exhibition in Delhi, it should be dis- questions of this type are raised, in- persed all over the country, we should stead of being on the defensive, the have regional centres at State Capi- Minister should carry out whatever tals. It is a very valid suggestion. It suggestions are made. can be done in collaboration with the State Governments. I have already THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE told the Trade Fair Authority to have AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- such exhibitions in the various parts OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- of the country. It is necessary if we RIA): I do appreciate the suggestion really want these to reach the for- made by the hon. Minister----- mers. I entirely agree. There are other suggestions also—I will not go MR. SPEAKER: The ex-Minister. into them in detail—for making this Trade Fair Authority more competent SHRI MOHAN DHARIA: The hon. and more efficient. I do agree with Member. Old habits die hard. the hon. Member that several new innovations shall have to be accepted. SHRI KANWARLAL GUPTA: It is They will be accepted. I would like really a tragedy that the Minister to be absolutely responsive to the sug- does not understand himself that he gestions coming from hon. Members, is a Minister. He still thinks that he and with these suggestions, we shall is a Member. see that this Authority—one of the Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10 important Authorities in the country 11.18 hrs. —is giv(en all possible strength and it ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTION— functions with all possible assistance. Contd.

ME. SPEAKER: What do you want Closure of Bone Mills to say about seating arrangements for *453. DR. V A SA N T K U M A R P A N - Members of Parliament. DIT: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- SHRI MOHAN D H A RIA: There is a OPERATION be pleased to state: separate statement that I shall be making on that. If you want, I can (a) whether there has been large make it n o w .. . . scale closure of bone mills in the country ai:d if so, the reasons therefor; and MR. SPEAKER: Yes; you may make (b) whether producers are demand- it now. It is connected with this. ing ban on export due to manipulation of price slump by foreign buyers and 11.16 hrs. if so, the export policy in this regard and action taken to save the mills?

STATEM ENT RE. SEATING AR- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE RANGEMENTS MADE AT THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CI- CLOSING CEREMONY OF VIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION AGRI-EXPO. 77 (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) and (b). A statement is laid on the Table of the THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE House. AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- Statement OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- RIA): Sir, I rise to make a statement No, Sir. On the basis of present in- in pursuance of the directions issued formation with the Government there by you at the end of a brief discus- has been no large scale closure of sion regarding the arrangements made crushed bone mills in the country. for seating of invitees at the closing 2. The producers of crushed bones function of Agri-Expo. 77. Sir, while are not asking for a ban on exports making arrangements for seating of and are in fact requesting the Gov- the invitees at the closing function, ernment for unrestricted exports. On the Trade Fair Authority of India had the other hand Ossein and Gelatine issued instructions be ensure that the Manufacturers Association who manu- Warrant of Precedence of the Govern- facture ossein and gelatine which are ment of India is followed. However, value added products made from it is apparent that there had been crushed bones have been requesting some lapse in the compliance of these the Government for a long time to res- instructions. As a result, some people trict the exports of crushed bones so lower in the Warrant of Precedence that their raw material is available to than Members of Parliament had them and these value added products taken seats in the front of some can be exported in greater quantities Hon’ble Members of Parliament. I by the country. Based on these consi- would like to express my sincere re- derations the Government have taken grets for this lapse. I have issued a decision to place a ceiling on the clear instructions to ensure that such exports of crushed bones with effect lapses do not recur, that the Warrant from 1st October, 1977. of Precedence is strictly followed in all public functions and that the dig- DR. VASANT KUMAR PANDIT: nity and status of Hon’ble Members of Will the hon. Minister, who has not Parliament is fully respected. given the details will give the House the figures of total production of bones II Oral Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Oral Answers i *

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**ft Wfaf S fW W H lI : $ v*T*H! SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, I now seek your protection. The Minister of WTiRTT g f a fa*JT W |iII State for Finance himself was kl.id VTCTRFT ^TT I enough to say that certain goods will be destroyed which are perishable. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE He said so. I would like to know ___ AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): There is no SHRI H. M. PATEL: He did not say question of any destruction yet. The* question is only this. If they are al- SHRI VASANT SATHE: If the Gov- lowed to be sold or auctioned, these ernment says that certain things which smuggled goods come into circula- are perishable will be destroyed, th»n tion; there is a loophole here for smug- we are immediately entitled to know gled goods which have not been seize 1 how many crores worth of goods are to be put forward as if they are rd?- perishable? How can he say that he ed goods. And to plug this loophole needs notice for that? this question has come up. We are still examining this question and this SHRI H. M. PATEL: He did not s^y will be fully considered. that. He said that the goods whicn are perishable will be distributed fftl? SJVTJT Wnft ’ *TT!F through certain agencies and he mentioned them the military canteens. ^5T *17 f a

SHRI VASANT SATHE: There is a conflict. He now says that he sends SHRI H. M. PATEL: No. We are not them to the military canteen. considering the appointment of a Parliamentary Committee. But we SHRI SATISll AGRAWAL: For the will certainly consider it, if it is found hon. Member’s sake I shall read the to be necessary. As I said, we are English translation of my reply. Ir* still examining it. order to prevent malpractices and misuse Government has taken a deci- SHRI VASANT SATHE: In this R sion that smuggled goods which sre crores of goods, what amount is 43 confiscated should not be sold with’n perishable? You have craft cheese and India but should either be exported or so on which become perishable. If destroyed. It had come to Govern- transistors lie in your godowns they ment’s notice that the sale of ‘*uch deteriorate by rust etc. Please gi/e goods was being used as a cover for a break-up of this. Is the Government furtther smuggling activities. Govern- going to take a decision in association ment is examining how best to ^i/e with State Corporations to export these effect to this policy. goods lying with them which are not perishable? The sale of confiscated goods (other SHRI H. M. PATEL: Nothing is than perishable items) to the National going to be allowed to deteriorate by Cooperative Consumers’ Federation remaining for long with us. and others except Military canteens has been suspended. Some items the This decision will be taken within a list of which is laid on the Table of matter of weeks. the House are being disposed of in accordance with the existing prescri- SHRI VASANT SATHE: Out of Rs. bed procedure. Government is ex- 43 crores, how much are perishable amining ways and means of disposal goods? of other confiscated items other than SHRI H. M. PATEL I have not got by sale within the country. This the details with me. If he wants, I would include possibility of re-export shall collect and give them to him. outside India. (Interruptions) 21 Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers

MR. SPEAKER: Q. No. 455. MR. SPEAKER: This is no point of order. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, 1 would like to know if perishable goods are to be destroyed, what is the value «ft IRtTPT *Tnft : 5T5JT5T *TftoT, of these perishable goods? Jr?T | far 5ft S T O (Interruptions) ’TFpfhT y<;HI 5ft % SHRI KAN WAR LAL GUPTA: Sir, I rise on a point of order. He must T® 5TTJJ *F^t *t^WT ^ I assure the House.... (Interruptions) STFT *TTf5RR | T O T % 5RTW % Let the Minister give an assurance on ^ ^ ^ptT ^ 4, *ft*T this question. TO =Tjft ?HT SHRI H. M. PATEL: Nothing has been destroyed so far. As far os s r o ?>jtt i sm *rt^rf ;*rt %* t- perishable goods are concerned, T ^d «i rrarrt tim i can only say this that whatever deci- | tfrr Tfiir ift sion we\ take, we will inform the House. ^ f , t o t o kz | I ?«T 1 st ! , ^fR^PRT Tfr I SHRI KAN WAR LAL GUPTA: S’> 1 rise on a point of order. *ftr c t m n i rft *toft SHRI MANI RAM BAGRI: 'jTr qt

wAlT WWW : 8FTT ^ MR. SPEAKER: What is your point 5TT* it frtfftR falT ^ I of order? Don’t make a speech on raising a point or order. Developments of sites of tourist inter* SHRI KAN WAR LAL GUPTA: I am est in Madhya Pradesh daring Fifth raising a point of order. Five Year Plan period

Sir Rs. 43 crores of goods are des- •456. SHRI SUKHENDRA SINGH: troyed every year. SHRI SHARAD YADAV:

jrpnm “-fr Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: ^ fei 3ft ^ ^ JIT (a) whether it is a fact that some TT fJTtT JTT f ^ F T f w suggestions were made by the State i fr^nr ^rr ^ of Madhya Pradesh for development of sites of tourist interest during the ^n *r

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«ft yrrar m?w : i r f m , m ^T *R^T 5TFR ^jpt f *t k t srfsr it < r fu f # % T f f I *{&* ST^T STT^TT % STTf^Tf f?S f % t flT^rn 3ft ) I H M STTVT |?TT *TT 3 *p t <3 -H f f f feTTFTR fT f t f '| fw ^r ^'r t ^ t f T T f gf^: it h t +t t fa ^ T R | ^TfT fa ’PT f.TTT 3TT »T% I # •T^f fT^TT cTT ^?ran ft flRR 5TTT ^TfT % **TR t I p4d<£d, TTWT, STTTOT— ?tpt ffr f»r t % ^rm If ?fam 3ft 'TPT *pt H h i i * ^ q^l «TT it ?^T 5R^ f T *ft fti STIffaf ^ f3TRt f t m m Jt t o wra 11 ^f*f>,i HT3T 3H *TT f t ^ TRft 3T4 *TC[ if eft *ft fT% ft strut JT^f ft ^1 ?PJ ^ I TW t tft %^T 3TTT^ 1 5m ^ f^TT I ff funf SF? fT^ #% *ft STTffof %^T I, ”7VR ft Hf^*T fT 3ft MIH^T, 5 Oral A nswers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 ( SAKA ) Oral Answers 2&

| v t ^nrr^r vr jnrr^ *r^r *rt £ I vft W R TPfT-fr^fr vrfiw f*W ^ i 3n% % f^ fAii ^ffjir *pt apR’TT Off ir wwln Wt*T ^TTcT t, arp- irmtrv t i wr ift g*l I fa> ^ff 3ft M4d4 > «fk ^PPfT-f^ft % f^TfTO % f^rtr for | fawro % f^ftr ^ft-^rr^ £ s^tt ? Hf t ^FrTT f I %f 5R ^ % 3FT 5TT «ft ypaft^m : ®5t JTTIRT Miff ®Ft ^r^tt wrrf *r*ft TF»*rt *t f%5RT ^rr, t T’T m*t ^ft it “R" % Mi^ifd*^ 5rm w % Wl % f I ^SffT ^ ?PT iht^t fw*r tfft: fJTT* fwr ^ T^r 'R f^TT ft TfT I, mfim HTCPT t, *rm HTTFT ^ f+d *Tf 3TRT *R f'H'HT m 'TfTT t % ferft TTfw ^7. ^PT f%qT £ f% 7TWTff?pft % fWT f'rnr | i ir m Tmfi it wnrf ferrl ^ ?rmfr ^R^rfr ir irf % ^ srr% *tt% TFJifr % ft*? **trt ^t w ?rr f' I t ^ tftt qr ?rffr trct'tft ^^T^Wr "t>I W W l *TT«T ^TT TpTT | f¥ TUT TTJir ^ISFRVT | ...... w nt *rrtr Trnff % to qfa^ ^rr^r ZW ^TT fa% ff, 41+1 < 1^1 JTjft «ft f?nm ^r : qpft ?rk * I JTWT TT%T?T WT H^^Ptcq H M WpP % fair ^r ^fT I —ftew, 7H ^T ftFT WT £ I *Tld«H, fkuWT, P^'+d ?fR f^Tf ^fN % f^TTT +^l ^ I $ irfitjid w «rr i wfr ^ t 3 5 T5®t ^Rf *T *Tf^T *R 3T «tt liMwi! : 3fft ?RT f.: fNf?^cT ift »t ^ r^+r^ f^Twt tt |—wnrfhr T*t^T fHT IP^'1, I ® 5t JTt^jpTT TT^r ^r^tr % smrf + f. % f^nrwt ^ ^T% f*P^ TOT feTT 3tT ?FRT% SFT JPT*T I f*TRT ^ft ’t%»tt) $ sret f® ^ wtm f i TTJT ^fir f*T ......

«ft TO #T : W H'JT % «ft hvOtr 5Wr> : f;^T TOT

^nrfr* sfr ^ r - £ : % r w srft | i ffr ?nrr % iffejff % T^rfVEWt —? 7RT cTfrT ft *Tfr*- ^rt ^ qT ^r % ^rt ^ —vx ^ ■FT | I ^ 3T3T£ ^T *TTf TIT? STTT ^3Tj; I TI^T ^ ’OnffY fw ^ 3ft *R *ft | ^ft TT ST^m ^t «ft vtfsrv : it CTT % %>T 3: Hq-^rr, ft^r srt JTft Tf^TT ^TfcTTf 5ft 5T^«JT, jft^T 3ir^TT ^TT ?| 5T %l[c)WtpdW f — f^ft 5ftT Oral Answers DBCEMBER 16, 1977 Oral Anrwert 28

*rrft w>t— if tft % t f ht •ft wj*fi sRTTf aw % ^ ^ r r TF*T VTVRf I I ^T^di f f% 'd^l^ ?nft 3ft »rr*T fwTT f3R% wt^ if *rw snrvr 5TI> if WRRT ^ ^TT^R % ^T% m Sierra «3TT |, *T STOT t — TRS t ^nr f^HTT fern few ?ftT % ^t ftr^ro ?T ^rr | tffr ■qr ^ ?rnr ^rnrr ^ ...... 5ft qHi ^ 1 W m t t vnr ^T 3ft M^Nd MR. SPEAKER: You are not t aising n i"+> ^T 9TF fvUT 'STT T^T ^ I JH a point of order. Please do not make iw r 5 snreraT f a speech. There is no point of order. Don’t record. i<|qTCT TPTO>*T ft*TT ^T TT H«r< f^TT *i1U«ll I SHRI Y. P. SHASTRI: * • MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. No- % * n ^ j i? vrt f *TPRhr body can rise on a point of order and then put a supplementary. He rose ^ p f f 4M+T^ ^ *r on a point o f order. ^*T efr^r frrrtifz ^ cttt; % ( Interruptions) '+il^ 4-d r ^TTT% HT * ; MR. SPEAKER: I have not called

SHRI Y. P. SHASTRI: I seek your 3r^f ^ ^r fnnf *nn protection, Sir, I have put a supDle- mentary. % 3ftf% ^T5rwt, P+H^H ^ ?rff t 1 >,w j * ^ ^ ^ T MR. SPEAKER: You rose on a f*n| ?ftr *t wfcr %t point of order.

^ t | i spit *nr^ qmNM ^ SHRI Y. P. SHASTRI: No, no. I sq^TT ft^nrnft, fft w4d+" ^TWT % seek your protection. jpt^t »rr *r^r i f * vr^r MR SPEAKER: Let us look at tbe ^«nf JTnt % jft?% flc«t>W ?n^9- records. This type of things cannot 2T^J?TT ^ s I be allowed. Every day I And the hon. Member rising on a point of order, and MR. SPEAKER: Shri Lakkappa. then putting a supplementary.

••Not recorded. 29 Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 18#9 (SAKA) Written Answers 30

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: India is a ^ 5fTftr f?RTTV^*r’ l ^rfJFT tourist pdradise. While replying, *he Minister stated that proposals sent by the States will be considered. I would I *5 wtct for ^ (d) the rate of interest per cent per annum to be charged by the ARDC TRJT *TT+Rf SPETPST f on refinance for various development srtr qr fsRTT 1 ^ schemes; and

^fw> TTj ^T *tvr>iOf % ^ft (e) the rate of interest per cent per annum to be charged by the land development banks, for various deve- 1 5ft nfr lopment schemes to ib* ultimate bor- row er? 31 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 32,

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ' t i r ’T ’ t h t t fwm** *nft REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. A. PATEL): (a) Yes, Sir. («i> jvfam : (% ) v fk

(b) Government of India is requiitd to pay only a service charge at the irrr^tT snrwfos v r tfa i v t rate of 0,75 per cent per annum on 1 9 7 6 -7 7 Jr 'Tjfjvf vr <^F the principal amount of’ the credit in flr m vnf tffaT «tt fw vr withdrawn and outstanding from time to time. 5crt ^Trff % m v *tt*t,

(c) The present rate of interest % «*r er a rfc r «t t i stew srfim annum in respect of refinancing in frqffj ?nfr jitst 5"ta'r | i excess of 9 years but not exceeding 15 STT=

9RTT*T % 'i I et>^i : Persons desirous of making a dis- closure of concealed income/wealth (wr) TOT *TT*rc H VTT7rT can take advantage of the provisions

' p t s t t t p t % of sub-section ( 1) of Section 273A of the Income-tax Act, 19fil/sub-section cTrhr % grp- ir f+ y i *tt ; (1) of Section 18B of the Wealth Tax Act, 1957 which permit the Commis- sioner of Income-tax/Wealth to re- (^) qf? ?j, ?re»T*5F»r duce or waive the amount of interer»t and/or penalty as provided therein. t o t | arrr *r t t it An assessee against whom any In- come-tax or Wealth-tax proceedings jfrt j f R m are pending, can also apply to the Set- JTTfir * t f ^ n r t ? tlement Commission (Income-tax and Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 34

W eallh-tax) for settlement of his c&si* Profits of nationalised banks if the Commissioner of Income-tax/ Weallh-tax is satisfied that conceal- *451. L-R. HENRY AUSTIN: Will ibe ment of income/wealth or perpetra- Minister of FINANCE be pleased to tion of fraud has not been established state: or is not likely to be established by any Jncome-tax/Wealth-tax authority. (a) whether the profits of the nationalised banks have gone down to a large extent; Sales of gold by Government (b) if so, what are the main causes of the same;

•450. SHRI AN AN T DAVE: (c) to what extent they have gone SHRI SHANKARSINHJ1 down for the last six months; VAGHELA: (d) the details of the loss in each Will the Minister of FINANCE b* bank; pleased to state: (e) what was the total number of (a) whether it is a fact that the strikes by these banks for the last six prices of gold have gone very high in months and the loss suffered due to the market and if so, the present price ' these strikes; and of gold; (f) how' much overtime allowance was given to bank employees during (b) the present quantity of gold the last six months in these nationalis- with the Government; ed banks? (c) whether the Government have THE MINISTER OF FINANCE ANT) been thinking for some time past of REVENUE & BANKING (SHRI H. M. releasing its domestically acquired PATEL): (a) The total published pro- gold to bring down its prices in the fits of the 14 nationalised banks nave market; and been increasing every year for the past three years. (d) if so, when Government propose to sell it, the quantity propsed to be (b) Does not arise. sold and the rate at which it would be sold? (c) In accordance with Sub-section (1) of Section 10 of the Banking Com- panies (Acquisition & Transfer of THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND Undertakings) Act, 1970 nationalised REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI banks close anc! balance their ac- H. M. P A T E L ); (a) Yes, Sir. The price counts annually on 31st December of of gold has been going up steadily since each year and as such, it is not possi- June this year reaching an all time ble ti indicate the profits for a six- high of Rs. 706 per 10 grammes on month period. 28th N ovem ber, 1977. H owever, (d) No nationalised Bank has shown •prices have been declining since then a loss during the last seven years. and the closing price on 8th Decem- ber stood at Rs. 677 per 10 grammes. (e) Indian Banks* Association wh*ch negotiates wages revision with the (b) The quantity of gold with the bank employees on behalf of Indian. Government, as on 1-10-1977 was Banking industry has reported that about 85 million fine grammes. the bank employees in many of the nationalised banks have been carrying (c) No, Sir. on agitation at the industry level which included token strike for 2 hours (d) Does not arise. on 18th, 29th August, 13th September 30ft LS—2 35 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 3 «

and 5th December, 1977 and a full day’s (b) and (c). A copy of the communi- strike on 27th September, 1977. 7t is cation issued by the Central Govern- not possible to assess the loss that «he ment to all State Governments and banks might have suffered due to Union Territories, which gives the de- these strikes. tails of the guidelines and the role envisaged for the Committees, is l%id (f) Information is being collected and on the Table of the House. (Placed In will be laid on the Table of the House. Library. See No. LT-1384/77). Distribution system of essential commodities V* 1977 # gf ftww nfcwwit % •455. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SH A - RIEF: SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY:

Will the Minister of COMMERCE *457.TTH fWflTW W T O * : AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO OPERATION be pleased to state: tot wiin tfVr fwi*n :

(a) whether it is a fact that Gov- ernment have announced its policy • constitute at all district levels Advi- (

(b) if so, the details regarding their composition and functions; and ( » ) v t fV*rnr i ^ m f f %

(c) whether Government will also clarify about the positive role such committee w’ill have to play in effect- (*r) *ft t N' wrf it Ptxi'fl ing practical improvements in the public distribution system specially when Government have announced cJT^FT *TT* ? their decision for single zone system without even consulting the State Governments? q t f z * v \ T SfFTT fVTPR I

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (vY vWlv) : (^) MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES & COOPERATION f^irnr t m -h t o t ?ft% ft (SHRI KRISHNA KUMAR GOYAL): (a) Yes, Sir. ^ :—

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1 9 7 7 15 37 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 38 1

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3 1 2-3-1977 ft>T7' qTT’TTtT^r' *rr^ Vt 3fT T^t | I writ— f t a r f w

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fgmrr % f r f e r *t jfifr * n f f a * # **r ssnt fft vtf vm rft VT 'THTT I Writttn Aiuwers DECKMBJEH 16, 1977 Written A**v>er$ 40

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10 22-7-1977 TPT^RTP? wfai t?T 4 7 jft 5 “ iO sN I^ % fHW>Z t*iTta-rq '*i | I M fa r c r nfrquH tfWt— r f\ t w

11 6 - 8 - 1 9 7 7 ,, 3*PT srnr 3it T^t ^ 1 i»Mr«rrar< % i t i t — f a * ? i.k*l

12 11-9-1977 g m^ a iVd irta 3TT T ft % I TftniT % fa + 5 * ts t— t ’ifh n f

13 14-9-1977 3TCRT WS *>t *T I fip rd V (ffTJIFFT) sftft— 4 i Written Answers AGRAHAYANA Id, lt t » (&AKA) Wftttert Aittiters 42

14 27—10—1977 «RT *st * r $ i m rn fW ^ r %

15 25-11-1977 WTOTt^ft tH 47^ft 5 fasrFjT % ftv r (rfircrypf f t i t —

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1 9 7 6 3 14 17 90 7 98

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16 96 112 149 29 1 80

Scaling down of over-head margin (b) whether the margin charged by charged by 3.T.C. S.T.C. on transactions is very often more than 20 per cent; and *458. SHRI B. K. N AIR: W ill the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL (c) whether as a measure of en- SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be couraging producers of export goods and of giving relief to consumers of pleased to atate: imported materials and articles, the (a) the profits made by the S.T.C. S.T.C. propose to consider scaling during the last five years; down the over-head margin substan- 43 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 4 4

tially down to no-profit no-loss level in deserving cases?

THE MINIS rER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND *459 WW : WT f*W CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- W5TT% W t f^TT % : TION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) Th* profits earned by the STC (after tax) ( * ) TPsfhTfTcT t r f ir, during the last five years are given f a - W , below:— itrivrrftrvx n vk Sti % wfw- rwt flfwr ^ (Rs. lakhO sHfaP' snrffpn % + »H ifW t srt Year Profit (after tax) W & nvftT yfdSlrldr WT | ;

>972-73 593*25 ( ^ ) ^ t¥ f ir q ff t t HrfrFTT ?T*tT 3PT- *973-74 423*58 srrfom % far* ?rr?f$T

>975-76 570*39 (»T) jrf? ^ T , ?TT 5RTT

*97^-77 944*33 o

(b) No, Sir. The margin charged ^^.pqd srrfaft wtr j Pt- on most of the export items varies srrftnff wrr * *fr ^ ^ between 1/4 per cent to per cent 1 tH»nfd' =T 35FTT the Commodities, with a view to keeping the price level as low as possible *?t H51TT srk ^ r , Hfd?Td *Pf and ensuring that the canalising agen- fVq <.ul JT fa^TT fixed only in the case of few sensitive *nrepff W. 3**fa3TTTf qft *TFT, item* which command high premia in *fl«WWlTf «flT tffaTrTMTHltf it the market or to protect indigenous producers. 45W ritten Answert AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 46

« n r * if, vRfitR 'R f v t ^ ^ $TT frteT 1TTT 5T^r I ^ 50 5T^m9' ^ ^ 5^11 •

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

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3 qr^rra* #T 3692 1 0169 40 1 . 08 1067 1 0 .4 9

4 4 z\< 1 4 5 0 2 1 0 5 7 2 39 0. 87 1042 9 . 8 6

5 ^TTO^nrfVr^cT SRT 4 1 1 0 7 2 1 2 39 0. 95 315 4 . 37

6 %^TT 3 6 0 3 1 2 2 8 6 61 1. 69 1 423 11. 58

7 %rvnifei\T 2 81 3 7 0 0 2 53 1 . 88 6 7 6 9 . 65

8 ^Hl 2 6 5 0 5831 9 0. 34 672 11. 52

9 fj=rft%7fv 3 8 4 4 1 0 8 1 5 79 2 . 06 8 9 9 8 .3 1

1 0 *Tfa*FT «f V ’RTS ffoTT 4027 8404 42 1.04 635 7.56 47 Written Annotrs DCCEM&ER 16, 197? Written Answers 4 g

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

11 1540 4400 33 2. 14 243 5. 52

12 I* 2642 5262 74 2. 80 711 13.51

13 tv irre 1660 3945 20 1. 20 402 10. 19

14 tftar 4* 2198 5259 62 2. 82 811 15. 42

aft* 49224 119547 679 1. 38 11384 9. 52

Advancing of loans by nationalised banks, are guided by the directives banks to industrial entrepreneurs ana instructions issued by Govern- ment and the Reserve B*nk of India *460. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: from time to time, in the matter of Will the Minister of FINANCE be granting advances. While formulating pleased to state: their lending policies and implement- ing them, banks by and large ensure (a) whether any guidelines have that the distributive pattern of their been laid down by Government re- advances portfolio is broadly m garding the advancing of huge loans conformity with the national plm by the nationalised banks to industrial priorities. Considerations of secu- entrepreneurs by taking suitable security do weigh with the banks while rity in the form of assets collateral appraising credit proposals, and the and other sureties if so, what and if banks secure themselves by a charge not, the reasons therefor; on the assets as well as guarantees where necessary. However, security (b) whether it has recently trans- is not the only criterian taken into account in the process. Banks lay pired that a well-known nationalised emphasis on the purpose for which bank advanced several lakhs of rupees the financial assistance is required without taking into consideration the as also the income-generating poten- financial position of the borrowing tial of the borrowing unit. Companies/persons and their capacity to repay; Under the Credit Authorisation Scheme, all scheduled commercial (c) the steps which are proposed to banks are required to obtain Reserve be taken to recover the money thus Bank’s prior authorisation before al- lost in such bad transactions and fix lowing to any single party in the responsibility in this behalf; and private sector any credit limit of (d) what measures he proposes to Rs. 1 crores or more or any limit that take to safeguard the depositors’ money would take the total limits enjoy being swindled in such an unscrupu- ed by such a party from the banking system as a whole to Rs. 2 crores or lous manner? more. In the case of public sector THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND undertakings, the limit is however, REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. Rs. 3 crores. Reserve Baraks prior au- M. PATEL): (a) AD commeicial thorisation is also required to be taken banka, including the nationalised by commercial banks for granting 49 Written Answer* AGRAHAYANA t6, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 50

(singly tfr jointly with other inirtlt'i* *St % fam* t | ; case of a private sector party and R 3. Rs. 1 crore or more in the c&se of public sector undertaking, repayable eve.* (*T) *lf* w r a period of more than three years, even where the total credit limits may sf.ROT | ? not aggregate Rs. 2 crores and Rs. 3 crores, respectively. iflr •rnrr ftranR (b) to (d). In the absence of the gwtam vtffr*) : (*r) qjfe?r name of the bank, Reserve Bank of f i n m 5rr). asat i the interests of the depositors. All cBses of irregularities, if any, com- mited by a bank in granting advances Loans given to Fanners by Banks are looked into by the Reserve Bank of India during the course of the ins- *462. SHRI D. D. DESAI: Will the pection of a bank carried out under Section 35 of the Banking Regulation Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Act, 1949. On the basis of the findings of the inspection, appropriate follow (a) the total loans given to farmers up steps are taken by the Reserve upto 3l9t March, 1$77 and upto 31st Bank of India to bring about the de- October, 1977; sired improvement in the working of the bank concerned and also for taking suitable action against officials, if (b) the precise instructions issued any, involved. to banks and financial institutions on the sanctioning of credit and loans to farmers; Fmrrons* (

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Advances granted by commercial banks for agri- ( « ) WT cultural purposes and the amount of TT3TFTR % FTWTmCT oustanding as on 31st Mardh, ldt7 5* Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 5*

(latest available) are given below:— through rural and semi-urban branches are deployed in rural and semi- (Amounts in crorcs of rupees) urban areas.

No of Amount wtm faim % trjf Accounts outstanding

463. Wfflf TUT : WT Direct finance to Agri- culture . . 44,87,510 1005-83 f * f l f T T

Indirect finance to Agri- fa : culture 1 5>3fi9<>5 337*35 (*r) wm f W T if T o t a l . . 5°>26>475 *343 18 trsrjf

The figum afl OU 31st October, 1977 VfSRT T5TTPT fa^T 3TRT | ; are not available as yet. (»J) fJTT WJ gqim O (b) The Reserve Bank of India ?rf5T^Tft W ft has, from time to time, issued guidelines to commercial banks regarding Tfcmi % JTnff if ^ f a u f provision of finance to the agricultu- "if)! tTTd" fJVqn % ral sector. The banks have been y-1 'jfl'H fd'iH *T 5T(H urged to move into agriculturally less developed areas and lay greater em- v*fh?FT irk '9#rr’ et t phasis on the purpose and production if«rTT %'-rt ; aspects of credit and the income generation capacity of a project instead (»r) faferT tfm rr of the security provided for availing

(d) In order to ensure that a larger fiffr *r»n share of the banks’ incremental re- («ft q*o qUo flfTH) : % (?). sources is deployed in the rural areas, ?r?1f i the public sector banks have been advised to ensure that by the end of ( 7 ) sftaT fj^nr Ttsnnr March, 1979, 33.3 per cent of their total advances should be provided for fTTirf^ft *T vfrrp- irjjoi ^ the priority and neglected sectors, including agriculture. The banks have *t*nrrjr % frraT Tft also been advised to ensure that 60 per cent of their deposits mobilised wk | 1 53 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1889 (SAKA) Written Answers

Financial Assistance riven by Public *HW q4dn fiRTO ftPW ITTT 31? Financial Institutions to Monopoly Houses

*464. SHRI V. A. SEYID MUHAM- MAD: Will the Minister of FIN- * 4 6 5 . fiWRt • ^TT ANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the total financial assistance given by public financial institutions frqrT f ¥ : to the monopoly houses covered by the MRTP Act for the period from April to October,' 1977; (^) ?sr it snrcT

(b) the rate of interest at which the 3TTT financial assistance has been given to ^TT t ; these monopoly houses; and

(c) the total financial assistance given to industrial units other than (*f) 1976*, ^ST^TTT, the monopoly houses during the same sqpr T if period? srnr f f ; THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (c). (*r) qfe fftoT fTTfo During the period from April to gs registered under the M.R.T.P. Act, 1969. The normal len- oq^r * *PT ding rate of interest of institutions ^PTT rr^rfw^T XT^ T * for term loans is 11 per cent. How- ever, for projects located in specified TWT | I b ackward areas, institutions charge a concessional rate of interest of 9.5 per cent per annum (10 per cent in (*T) 1 9 7 6 - 7 7 % *V*FT 15 the case of foreign currency loans). % & 7 f f I In respect of loans sanctioned under the Soft Loan Scheme for modernisa- tion in selected industries, the rate (sr) % it of interest is 7.5 per cent. Rates of ^ facR?r ^Ttr | i ^ interest in respect of finance made available by means other than term foans vary depending upon the type f^TcT I of assistance sanctioned, location of ^TRTft (Financial operations) ^ the industry and the interest rate prevalent on the date of sanction. gsnr «trtt | i 55 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1*77 Written An*ut*r»

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Stability in the Export-oriented Proposal to build buffer stock of tea Industries 4167. SHRI AMAR ROY PRA- DHAN: Will the Minister of COM* •466. SHRI VINODBHAI B. SETHI: MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND Will the Minister of COMMERCE COOPERATION be pleased to state AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- whether there is any proposal of OPERATION be pleased to state: Government to buiid a buffer stock of tea before it chooses to relent its (a) whether it is a fact that the grip on the export front? credibility of our export has suffered owing to the changing policy of our THE MINISTER OF STATE IN foreign trade; and THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- (b) if so, what steps Government OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): It propose to take to see Wat there is is Government’s endeavour to ensure stability in the export-oriented in- that enough quantity of tea is avail- dustries? able for domestic consumption at all times at reasonable prices. The ne- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN cessity to meet the external demand THE MINISTRY OP COMMERCE can only come second to internal AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- requirement. In view of this it was OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) decided to keep the exports at about No, Sir. Our exports have been ris- 225 m. kg. during 1977-78 as against ing steadily. Even though it is not the actual exports of 242.2 m. kg. dur- possible to export commodities like ing 1976-77 and even though pro- sugar H.P.S. groundnuts, cement etc., duction this year is expected to be as anticipated and though some Wes- higher by about 40 m. kgs. than last tern Countries have put certain res- year. This excess availability as pipe- trictions on exports of our ready- line stocks is expected fact as cushion made garments, the export during the and will abviate shortage like the period April—September this year are one witnessed during early part of 10.9 per cent higher than what this year with consequent adverse they were during the corresponding effect on prices. six months of the previous year. Tea Trading Corporation of India (bi Does not arise. Ltd., a public undertaking is already 59 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 6o operating in the tea auctions at va- ration was examined in detail and it rious centres. NCCF and NAFED was felt that looking to the need and have also arrangements to purchase advantage of constant inter-action tea at auctions and distribute it with the top executives of the Cir- through their ouuets. The participa- cle. feed back and specialist assistance tion by these agencies is designed pri- of the planning wing available at marily to make more of tea available the local head office and the need for domestic consumers at reasonable for speedier decision making, the prices and they may operate on large overall advantages of locating the offices scale as and when the situation Regional Managers at the local head warrants. office far oatweight the disadvantage Location of officers of Regional of geographical distance from their Managers of State Bank of India area of operation. According to the bank this arrange- 4168. SHRI RAM DH ARI S H A S T R I: ment has not hampered the develop- Will the Minister of FINANCE be ment of the respective regions. pleased to state: (c) On an all India bc»sis, the bank (a) as to why officer of the Region- has not laid down any specific inter- al Managers of the State Bank of regional transfer policy within a Cir India are located at New Delhi instead cle. This matter is within the ambit of locating these in the respective Re- of local head offices. Generally, offi- gions as has been done in respect of cers of the bank, particularly at the ether nationalised banks; junior levels are expected to serve in (b) has this not hampered the any office in any region within the development of the respective regions same Circle to which they belong. and resulting in an extra-expenditure After taking into account the hard- to the Bank: ships caused to officers in the matter of education of their children etc., (c) what is the transfer policy of officers are, as far as feasible accom- officers in respect of these regions modated w.thin the same linguistic (Delhi Circle) and as to why the per- area. However, administrative re- sons promoted in o^e region are not quirements and career growth may absorbed against the vacancies in that demand that an officer hailing from region itself as non-absorption of these one region is asked to serve in dif- persons in these regions create educa- ferent regions and linguistic areas. tion problems for the children of these em ployees as w ell as huge extra-ex- Representation from Empolye^s of pencuure for the bank on their Tourism Development Corporation at transfers from one region to another? Kovalam THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 4169. SHRI V A Y A L A R R A V I: W ill AND REVENUE AND BANKING the Minister of TOURISM AND (SHRI H. M. PA TEL): (a) and (b). CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: State Bank of India has reported that its organisational structure was exa- (a) whether Government have re- mined in depth in 1971 with the as- ceived any representation from the sistance of Indian Institute of Mana- employees of the Tourism Deve- gement, Ahmedabad. In terms of the lopment Corporation at Kovalam; and reorganised structure, the Regional (b) if so. the details thereof, and managers who are the controlling action taken to redress the grievan- authority of branches are located at ces of the employees? the respective local head offices alongwith other controlling authorities of THE MINISTER OF TOURISM the local head office and planning AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PU- wing. The question of locating the RUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) Yes, Regional Manager in his area of ope- Sir. It a fact that representations 6 l Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 I have been received from the ITDC (b) if so, the names of all States Employees at Kovalam. the amounts of credit, the nature of schemes and targets to be achieved Jn (b) The charter of demands sub- each case; and mitted by the Union includes de- (c) whether preliminary work has mands relating to revision of pay- been started in some projects and if flcales and dearness allowance, bonus so, the nature and extent of the pro- at the rate of 20 percent^ grant of gress made upto 31st October, 1977? Interim relief, encashment of meal allowance, house rent allowance, city THE MINISTER OF FINANCE compensatory allowance, washing al- AND REVENUE AND BANKING lowances, night-duty allowance, con- (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Yes, Sir. veyance allowance, restoration of the system of levy of service charges, en- (b) The amount of credits being cashment of accumulated leave, de- extended are: partmental promotion on the basis of (US£ Million) seniority, interest free loan for purchase of conveyance and construction West Bencal 12 of houses, enlargement of canteen fa cilities, grant of family pension, pro Orissa . 20 vision of staff quarters, constitution Assam 8 of a committee on the administration of Staff Welfare Fund, provision of Rajasthan . . 13 medical facilities etc. Madhya Pradesh . 1°

Governm ent have constituted an The credits are to be utilised for re- ITDC Wages Review Committee for organisation and strengthening of goin<; into the question of revision in agricultural services; support for basic the existing emoluments structure of and applied agricultural research and the non-officer employees, including for project monitoring and evalua- common wage structure and dearness tion. allowance, fringe benefits and service amenities. Most of the demands fall The basic objective of all these pro- within the purview of the Commit- jects is to effect a substantial increase tee and as such, they are being consi- in agricultural production, principally dered by the Committee on an all- in foodgrains, through improved agri- India basis. As regards the remain- cultural practices by strengthening ing demands, preliminary discussions extension and research services. It have been held with the representa- is estimated that the economic re- tives of the unions at the Unit Level turns from these projects are likely and the demands are also being exa- to be quite high; though it is not pos- mined at the Headquarters of the sible to give a precise level of bene- ITDC. fits accruing from these services alone as for increasing agricultural produc- I. D. A. Credit for Farm Development tion, additional inputs are also made in West Benr&l, Orissa and other or required. States (c) The concerned State Govern- 4170. SHRI D H A RM A VIR V A S I- ments have already started prelimi- SHT: Will the Minister of FINANCE nary work by earmarking the exist- be pleased to state: ing staff for the project work and organising training sessions. Neces- (a) whether the World Bank sary steps are also being taken by (I. D. A.) has agreed to give credit the State Governments to issue sanc- for farm development, extension ser- tions and provide additional staff, vices and research in West Bangal, transport and other facilities requir- Orissa and some other States; ed under the project. Sanctions under Written Answer* DECEMBER 16, 1177 Written A nsxoert

the Centrally Sponsored Scheme for RMA 4 ft 5 36894 46396 Strengthening of Agricultural Exten- sion Administration^ in the States Pale Latex Crepe 1509 1819 have been issued in respect of Orissa. Eatate Brown Crepe . 21319 23037 Assam and West Bengal and are being processed in respect of other States. Concentrated latex G337 7817 Block rubber 1256 3i3« Bobber Output Others . 848 1253

4171. SHRI KUMARI ANATHAN: "53«>4 132530 Will the Minister of COMMERCE Quantity of i'uIiIh t ex- AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- ported. . NIL 12396 OPERATION be pleased to state

(a) the total output of rubber in Raids conducted during Emergency India State-wise for the financial years 1975-76 and 1976-77; 417£. SHRI S. NANJESHA GOW- DA: Will the Minister of FINANCE (b) the details of the various qua- be pleased to state: lities produced for the years; and (a) ihe number of raids conducted (c) the total quantity exported and during Emergency; utilised in India for these years? (b) total amount of black money THE MINISTER OF STATE IN recovered; and THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (c) the anr.ount of commission paid AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- to the informers? OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (*) Output (tonne AND REVENUE AND BANKING State (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Statistics 1975-76 197-77 regarding search and seizure opera- Kerala 128,769 139,349 tions conducted by the Income-tax authorities are maintained month- Tamil Nadu 7.631 8.535 wise. 5903 searches were conducted Karnataka 1,282 1.667 during the period July, 1975 to March, 1977. Andaman* &. others 68 81 (b) Value of assets seized in the T o t a l i 37<75o 149,632 above searches: over Rs. 35 crores. (c) During the two years 1975-76 and 1976-77, Income-tax authorities (b) and (c). Full details of q u a - paid Rs. 20.40 lakhs as reward to in- lity-wise production of rubber in the formers in respect of information/as- country are not available. However, grade-wise purchases and utilisation sistance given by them during those and earlier years. by rubber goods manufacturers of rubber produced in the country during 1975-76 and 1976-77 are as under: Development of places of Tourist Interest la Orissa (in tonneO 4173. SHRI D. AMAT: Will the I97S-76 J976-77 Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL RMA I and IX 23649 35599 AVIATION be pleased to state:

R M A a & s 2349s 21478 (a) whether Government have u b * 6$ g Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 66

dertaken any project for the develop- Memorandum from Goa Cashew ment of places of tourist interest in Manufacture!* and Exporter* Asso- Arissa; and ciation

4174. SHRI AMRUT K A S A R : Will (b) if so, what are the details thereof? the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL, SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- TION be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PU- (a) whether the Goa Cashew Ma- RUSHOTTAM KAUSHK) (a) Yes, nufacturers and Exporters’ Associa- Sir. tion have submitted a Memorandum demanding allotment of quota of im- (b) The following tourist facilities ported raw cashewnuts, for Goa" ter- have been provided in Orissa in the ritory so that the factories are not Central Sector:— closed; and (b) what action has the Govern- I. Department of Tourism: ment taken on the above memorandum?

(i) A Rest House at Konark; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (ii) A Rest House at Bhubanes AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- w ar; OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) and (b). Memorandum have been (ii) Opening of Tourist Bureaux at received from Goa and other cashew Puri, Bhubaneswar, Rourkela and processing States about shortage of Hirakud; raw cashew nuts being experienced by the cashew processing industry and (iv) A Rest House at Rambha; demanding allotment/enhancement of quota of imported raw cashewnuts. (v) A Rest House at Puri; The memorandum was examined (vi) A Youth Hostel at Puri; and and it was found that under the existing distribution policy the concerned (viij Provision of a motor launch units were not eligible for allotment at Chilka Lake. of imported cashewnuts.

II. India Tourism Development Cor- poration: WIN VW % fair WIH

(a) Renovation of the travellers lodge at Bhubaneswar. 4 175. TIo TimfV : WT

(b) A Transport Unit at Bhuba- neswar. (v ) wm fafro faimff,

Besides the above schemes, the De- partment of Tourism has prepared a w&rs vraWrf Jf rrv ?htpt tpt master plan (land-use plan) of Kon- % facT t d«T*rr«f fr tflrsfc ark to ensure the preservation of the fJTT VTTOT environmental characteristics of the area surrounding the Sun Temple, and (**) **TT STVTX % the providing of facilities in a regulated manner. t

i n p rv vrHt ^ tftr w t (c) has the financial condition of the mills improved and if so. to what WT iTfr fny\f

faw iwi rnrc* p H *fa*T *rart THE MINISTER OF STATE IN («ft qwo quo q£m) : (*) THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- flm r t ^*r^Tfrq'T ^t «n*Tt (d) and (e). Preparation of a *!iI f?i *. * f^y Ir^n scheme for repayment to depositors and creditors is under the considera- rTT^ OTfe *ft I tion of the management of the Com- pany. (^ ) * trT^ ?mr R^fj % ?n^sr % jftfir *n Fixing to revised pay scales of Mizo- ram Government Employees ^ T T T « F T % % f% ir

(*r) t r j t #t74.it %*nhnfari (a) whether the Government are % trHHM, TP»JT ^P^TTT jm aware of the fact that there are some gross irregularities with respect to * * * st f-nrrfc-cT i fixing of the latest revised pay scales Moratorium sanction to Ganesh of the Mizoram Government Em- Flour Mills, Delhi ployees as compared to those of other Union Territories Government Em- ployees; and 4176. SHR BHARAT SINGH CHO- WHAN: Will the Minister of COM- (b) if so, whether Government pro- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND pose to look into such matters and COOPERATION be pleased to state: take steps to revise the pay structures of certain departments of Mizoram (a) whether the Moratorium sanc- Government in order to bring in line tioned to the Ganesh Flour Mills. with those of other Union territories; Delhi still continues; THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (b) if so, how long it is likely to AND REVENUE AND BANKING continue; (SHRi H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). 69 yfritten Answers AOEAHAYANA 25, 1889 (SAKA) Written Answers 70

The scale o f pay of the employees of (b) Yes, Sir. the Government of Mizoram have (c) Both (a) and (b) are under been revised keeping in view the re- examination. commendations of the Departmental Pay Committee for Mizoram, constituted for the purpose. While sug- Impression of EEC Officials on EEC’s gesting the revise^ scales of pay, the Help Departmental Pay Committee had kept in view the broad principles of 4179. SHRI YASHW ANT BOROLE: pay determination and general recom- Will the Minister of COMMERCE mendations on pay structure as laid AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- down by the Third Central Pay Com- OPERATION be pleased to state: mission. The Commitee also look (a) whether the Officials of the into consideration all relevant factors iiit?r alia the duties and responsi- EEC have given an impression that India does not seem to be apprecia- bilities attached to and recruitment tive of EEC’s help under the Genera- qualifications prescribed for the posts lised Scheme of Preferences etc; and in Mizoram as well as the scales of pay recommended by the Third Cen- (b) if so, his reactions in the mat- tral Pay Commission for comparable ter? posts in other Union Territories. THE MINISTER OF STATE iN Hotel and Restaurant Industry be THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE placed on Par with Export Industries AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- OPERATION (SHRi ARIF BEG): (a) 4178. SHRI D. B. CHANDRA and (b). No such impression has (iOWDA: Will the Minister of been communicated to the Govern- TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION ment of India by any official of the be pleased to state: Commission of the European Econo- (a) whether it is a fact that the mic Community. While the Govern- 16th All-India Hotel and Restaurant ment of India have appreciated the Convention has recommended that the Generalised System of Preferences of hotel and restaurant industry be the European Economic Community, placed on par with export industries constructive suggestions have been in regard to the incentives in res- put forward from time to time for pect of income tax, wealth tax, elec- improvement of the System so as to trictly rates, excise duties, sales tax make it more responsive to our chan- import duties and cash subsidies; ging requirements. (b) whether it is also a fact that U has asked the G overnm ent for e x - peditious completion of the compre- ifarc wtm stttt hensive survey being arranged bv vrftrfimt f t w n w i the Tourist Department in collaboration with the Hotel Federation so 4 180. wvwm : that a hotel policy in regard to the Vvpe and extent of accommodation re- WT fwilfsft ^ fiTT (!il*red in

fiw w t t w w i l v i the cheque was forged and that since ipr» ^fo ^rn) : ^ 5|^f l the cultprit is not being traceable the police and treating the matter as

(b) whether this case was reported (a) whether Agricultural Refinance to the Delhi Police in June, 1975 and Corporation propose to hold seminars a fraud has been established during in different regions on the role to be the Police Investigation Report dated played by the Industry for rural the 14th February, 1976; development; and

(c) if so, what further action has (b) if so, details thereof? so far been taken by the Ministry and the bank authorities; and THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (d; if not, the reasons therefor? AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). THE MINISTER OF FINANCE There is no proposal by the Agricul- AND REVENUE AND BANKING tural Refinance and Development Cor- (SHRI H. M PATEL): (a) to (d). poration to hold seminars on the role The State Bank of India has reported to be played by industry for rural that one Shri Tara Chand had made development. a complaint to the Bank in June 1075 that a cheque of Rs. 622 debited to his Reduction in Foreign Equity by Union Savings Bank Account at the Chandni Carbide India Limited Chowk branch of the Bank on 28th August 1974 had not actually been 4183. SHRI R A JK E SH A R SINGH: drawn by him. The New Delhi Local Will the Minister of FINANCE be Head Office thereupon obtained the pleased to state: opinion of a Handwriting Expert who pronounced the drawer’s signature cn (a) whether Union Carbide India impugned cheque is genuine. The State Limited has agreed to reduce its Bank of India has further reported foreign equity from 60 to 50.9 per that this position was explained to cent; Shri Tara Chand. (b) if so, whether reduction is in Shri Tara Chand is, however, repor- conformity with the FERA and other ted to have filed a police complaint foreign equity dilution requirements: subsequently and later on forwarded and a cop y o f a letter dated 14th February 1976 from Delhi Police to the effect (c) if so, the particulars of benefits that according to the hand-writing accruing lo the country as a resuH expert of the police, the signature of thereof? 73 Written Answers AQRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE f a ^ f f Jf % T T ^ V f % AND EEVENUE AND BANKING T steps to reduce its non-resident inter- farrrr wrfairsttttfct i ft est to 50.9 per cent. 4 0 ?rf9T je ^ rr*ft qf^l^H FVf % fat* *c) The benefit accruing to the country in such cases are: diversification fa^T irr /, Tr ffa *?rrf-^ of the activities of foreign companies fa^rrf •7 'r7' 'Tfawfjr s^tt, into priority areas, increased Indian ^«r>r w ,f isrfair, v(w ?mt ownership of the companies and lower proportion of remittances on fSTr^PTfrrTT, fa^W S^TMK, fSRSI foreign shareholding. w k s ^ i f a w etelf if farw |'i

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(«) 59. 82 ** I the economically viable ventures of applicants who suffered detention or imprisonment under MISA or DISIR, (n ) fo rfa solely because of their political affi- «TT 5TOT fa»PT fao sft concessional rate of interest under the DRI Scheme, he should be assisted in jp* im f v f % ^rwTrt accordance with the stipulations of irRT-fi«fi, *JTfe fn^Tn the Scheme. WT3J T^T ^ fir^TV % fa^d % f^nr fafarer ^rnrrfwcT Quantum of Sugar Exported to U.S.A. during the last three years ^ T tn T t ^ ^TcT^tcT *< d l TfpTT I I 4187. SHRI A. M URUGESAN: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- Payment of loans on low Interest to TION be pleased to state the quan- those detained under MIS A . during tum of sugar exported to U.S.A. every Emergency year during the last three years?

4186. SHRI BAPU SAH EB PARU - THE MINISTER OF STATE IN LEKAR: Will the Minister of FIN- THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE ANCE be pleased to state: AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): The (a) whether Government propose to quor. • um of sugar exported to U .S .A . grant loans through nationalised banks during the last three financial years to pay loans at low interest and with i.e., 1974-75, 1975-76 and 1976-77 have* a facility to repay by suitable instal- been 0.75. 2.42 and 0.75 lakh MT res ments to those who were detained pectivelv. under MISA during emergency; and

(b) whether such requests have been received by the Government and Export of Jute what action has been taken0 4188. SHRI S. D. SO M A SU N D A - RA\T. Will the Minister of COMMER- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING CE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- OPERATION be pleased to state: (SH RI H. M. P A T E L ): (a) and (b ). Suggestion have been received by (a) the exports of jute products the Government to the effect that the during the last three years; public sector banks may grant loans, at low rates of interest and with longer repayment periods, to the persons (b) the position of exports during this year; detained or imprisoned under MISA or DISIR during the oeriod of emergency. (c) whether there is a favourable trend this year; and Government have advised the pub- banks to extend credit as- lic sector (d) if so, the factors responsible fbr sistance on liberal terms and on a the favourable trend and measures priority basis under any of their ex- taken to capitalise on these factors isting scheme? for small borrowers, to front a long range point of view? ~7 Written Answers AGRAHAYAWA 25, 1880 (SAKAI Written A*m**rs 78

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Works mfertahon 1b North Bihar to THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE attract Tourists AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) 4189. SHRI SURENDRA JHA Export of jute goods from 1974-75 to SUMAN: Will the Minister of 1976-77 has been as under:— TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state:

(a) the names of the places - in Qtv. : 000 Tonnes Value* Rs. lakhs North Bihar and the wOTks undertaken there during the last three years to attract tourists; Y^-ai Qtv. Value (b) whether Government have any 1974-75 ^ 3’ 2 29485 proposal to provide facilities required 1975“ 7^ 516-3 24932 for attracting tourists at Sitamarhi, the birth place of Sita, Gautam Kund, «976-77 452*7 9924 the seat of Gautam, the great teacher, Kantaule-Darbhanga, the place asso- (b) to (d). Export of jute goods ciated with Ahilya and Bispi-Madhu- Muring April— September, 1977 bani, the birth place of the Great poet has been of the order of 241.3 thous- Vidyapati; and and tonnes against 185.0 thousand ton- (c) if so, the details thereof and if nes duiing the corresponding period not, the reasons therefor? of last y?ar. THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND Although an increase is noticeable CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- fjver the corresponding period in the SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) No overall export during the first six tourist facilities have been developed riv al s of the current year, it is to*.) at centres in North Bihar in the ear'v 10 ju d g e if the trend will Central Sector as within the resources sustained The following important available, the Department of Tourism steps tak;»n from time to tirr.e for sti- is concentrating on the development mulating exports, are however, being of the three major Buddhist centres conti n tied:— of Bodhgaya, Rajgir and Nalanda in 1. Export duty on all jute pro- Bihar. ducts has been abolished. (b ) Not at present. 2 . Exports of some items of jute goods have been made more com- (c) Does not arise for the reasons petitive in foreign markets and stated in para (a) above. more remunerative to the manufacturers.

3. Public Sector Organisations have been actively associated with export of jute goods. 4190. HTTK W* : W 4. Liberal assistance is being giv- arm ftwm wt en for Research and Development ^TT% f^TT f¥ : efforts for promoting new end-uses and reducing cost of production. (^ ) WT »T$ 'TrT 5. Cess has been levied on jute ^ sfa** fa MM manufacturers to finance R and D activities through the Development STCdM | ; wfa: Council constituted for the jute industry. (sr) eft ? 79 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1B77 Written Answers 80

I W f fiWHf iflft ( * ) w r ir (« ft l i l f t w ) : VT STV’T

(w) SW »T^t 'soai I f*TO WT THIW #fvn «Rft Places selected for development as (*V i^io tpTo «r?w) : (^) i^rr- tourist spots in Meihalayi ^TT V R , 7 T3F* % yurfnq 4191. SHRI P. A. SANGMA: Will * f^tfr ift *ft 1974 % the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL S iT R f f it ^TT % AVIATION be pleaed to state: *n?fr ^ci^ i *HTT I (a) the number and names of places selected for development as tourist spots in the State of Meghalaya; and (w) % (?). ^ 73% 1 (b) the steps taken and proposed to be taken by the Centre in this regard? Rates for Accommodation and Meals THE MINISTER OF TOURISM in proposed cheap Hotels AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). The Central Department of Tourism 4193. SHRI A. R. BADRI NARA had proposed the construction of a YAN: Will the Minister of TOURISM youth hostel at Shillong during the AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to current Plan period. It has not been state: possible to implement this scheme so far as a suitable site for the construc- (a) the steps taken by the Govern- tion of the youth hostel has not as ment to set up cheap hotels for the yet been made available by the State tourists; Government

(b) if so, (i) number of such hotels (ii) the proposed charges per day for accommodation and meals separately; and

4 1 9 2 . TTO* Wt : WT fira (c) locations of such hotels? s >h i fa? :

( v ) * * 19 74 ir THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) to (c). tt ^ t i^r^rrvR % It is proposed to construct inexpensive hotels at metropolitan cities (Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta and Madras) rnd forc *nn

v fe w v i f w w f % fircr

H tV *n$cq % PRT ^ Exporft to U.S.A.” Seminar held in Agra. w v f % f^rrr j j Ptetttt dM

t ; 4195. SHRI P. V. PE R IA SA M Y : Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- (*) SRTT ^reiT % JFTT^r 5T^rer OPERATION be pleased to state: *t t 4 ^ t % farftrer f t h (a) the salient features of the dis- forfa ir f ; cussions in the “Export to U.S.A.” Seminar held in Agra on the 24th ( n ) m u f t i 3 ^ wn iff'fT September, 1977 under the sponsor- ship of Indo-American Chamber of y ) <. "jf^FT Exn^r sr^r ^ r t tr^ » r Com m erce; ^T4i«mhi 5T5T ^T fsm W TT*T % <(i^ H ^ wt ifnml i (b ) whether 2700 items from India have been declared duty free by U.S.A.; and wk srmr fanrm inft (c) if so, the steps proposed to be (*ft fiW sw ) : (^>) 'jft I taken by Government to augment our qr^ JTfc^JT *fT*Wf !M *TCT exports to U. S. A.? *rt, 3ft % far*

(ill) More buyer-seUer meets non-official bodies to publicise and should be organised and if possible clarify this scheme and to make it in India. widely known to the exporters. Specific targets are being fixed for the (iv) There should be greater GSP items and measures are being awareness of market trends and taken to aid the exporting community changes in fashions, particularly to fulfil them by appropriate policy through participation in exhibitions. steps and by removing any bottle- (v) A dry port should be set up necks. at Delhi to cater to the requirements of the exporters in the Northern Imptemeatatiea of the recommenda- Region. tlons/suggestions of International (vi) The formalities of export Cooperative Alliance should be simplified. A study group should be set up to rationa- 4196. CHAUDH URY BRAHM PE R - lise the procedure in this regard. KASH: Will the Minister of COM- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND (vii) There should be close co- COOPERATION be pleased to state: ordination between organisations like the Engineering Export Promo- (a) whether the International Co- tion Council, The Trade Develop- operative Alliance had examined the ment Authority and the binational cooperative laws vis-'i-vis the coope- Chamber like the Indo-American rative principles; and Chamber of Commerce alongwith Consular Offices in the United States. (b) if so. the steps taken or proposed to be taken to implement the re- (viii) A long term plan for crea- commendations or suggestions of the tion of additional shipping capacity International Cooperative Alliance? should be drawn up. (ix) The Railway freight subsidy THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE should be reintroduced. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- (b) Yes, Sir. The US Government TION (SHRI KRISHNA KUMAR has with effect from January 1, 1976, GOYAL): (a) Yes, Sir. The in- implemented the Generalised System ternational Cooperative Alliance, Re- of Preferences (GSP) for a 10 year gional office for South-East Asia, New period under which a wide range of Delhi, carried out a study of “Indian items, which are about 2700 in number, Cooperative laws vis-a-vis C oopera- from 98 developing countries and 39 tive principles’*. dependent territories receive duty free treatment for imports into USA. All (h) The Consultive Council on 2700 items are not of export interest Cooperation in this Ministry recom- to India. Items of our interest are mended that there should be unifor- about 500. mity in the cooperative law’s of difl'e- rent States and for this purpose (c) The Government of India are suggested the framing of broad prin- constantly taking steps to increase our ciples and guidelines for uniform exports to USA. These include hold- application in the States. Pursuant ing of Buyer-Seller Meets, inviting to these recommendations, a set of buyers and trade journalists, sending guidelines on State cooperative laws tales and study teams, greater com- was prepared, taking into account mercial publicity in U.S.A., participa- inter-alia the observations of the tion in specialised commodity fairs ate. I.C.A. contained in its publication “Indian Cooperative Laws vis-a-vis Special efforts are being made to Cooperative Principles0 and circulated make use of the US, GSP. Seminars to the State Governments for neces- Bsve been held through official and sary action. S$ Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1889 (SAKA) Written Answers 86-

A c tion tplnst Politicians aad~Bmiig- Afghanistan during the years 1974-75, flerv 1975-76 and 1978-77 is laid on the Table* of the House. 4187. SHRi KANWAR LAL GUPTA: (b) This item is grouped under DR. HENRY AUSTIN: “Crude Drugs/Medicinal herbs” for which import licences are issued. Data Will the Minister of FINANCE be about the number of import licences pleased to state: issued for liquorice is not, therefore, (a) whether the Minister of State separately compiled. for Finance had said that some politi- (c) Liquorice (Mulathi) is known cians are mixed up with smugglers to be used in Indian systems or and the Government had some tape- Medicine for treatment of cough, recordings of their talks; bronchitis, laryingitis, pharyngitis, (b) if so, the names of such politi- asthma and constipation. It is also cians and the names of the smugglers; used as a Tonic. and

(c) what are the contents of those Statement tapes and what action has been taken by the Government against those poli- Quantity and value of import of Liquorice (mulathi')* from Afghanistan during ticians and smugglers? the year 1974-75. 1975-76 and 1976-77.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Year Quantity Value in SATISH AGARWAL): (a) t0 (c ). in thou- Rs. lakhs The Minister of State for Finance had sand K ^ . stated that efforts are being made co unearth the political links of the I 2 3 smugglers. However, it would not be in public interest to give any further detai’s at this stage. 1974-75 is 12 26*11

]97 j -?6 4P,7 i o - i o Import of Liquorice from Afghanistan 1976-77 364 9* 85 4198. SHRI R. KOLA N TH A IV E - LU: Will the Minister of COM- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND ♦Classified under Revised Indian Trade COOPERATION be pleased to state: Classification Code No. 292*4015.

(a) the volume of imports of Liquo- N on7.: Figures are provisional and subject rice (Mulathi) from Afghanistan dur- to revision. ing 1974-75, 1975-76 and 1976-77 yearw ise;

(b) the number of licences issued Enquiry into FTDC Management during the period; and

(c) the actual use to which the 4199. SHRI SA M A R GUHA: Will material is put in this country? the Miniser of TOURISM AND CIVIL- AVIATION be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE \ND (a) whether charges of (i) corrup- CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- tion and irregularities in regard to TION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) A various purchases made, (ii) promo- statement showing quantity and value tion given to a few senior officers by of import of liquorice (Mulathi) from adopting irregular means and (iii)‘ Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 197? Written Answers 88

procedure have been made or the (b) if so, the decision of Govern- matters have been brought to the ment thereon? attention of tfie Ministry against ITDC Management; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, facts thereabout; MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI SATISH AGARWAL): (a) No, Sir. (c) whether CBI has been asked to -enquire into complaints of corrupt (b) Does not arise. practice alleged to have indulged in by the ITDC Management; 3 u m iM I (d) if so, facts thereabout; and 5 ttt f a n a m i (e) whether any enquiry has been or will be made to enquire into the «FTT functioning of the ITDC Management, particularly during the period of

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM ( ^ ) 5HJFT ^ 14 AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI 1977 *T3rrnr qffarnr PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). In the absence of specific q'rr c ft wm m fa charges/allegation, it is not possible ^T'T 4 sTTTTfTlff % 5T5 to furnish the information desired. All charges relating to corruption and ^r^FT^rr ; srtr irregularities in purchases, appointments and promotions are carrefully (*1)\ ?r. sr«T«fTo looked into by the ITDC Management ^7 JT--7 T far? JTT’TT" ?IT and where necessary by the Govern- ir? fr n f f. %n~ irfr ment. w rfa w ^ tT irf ?, ^fr (c) and (d). The CBI have investiga- ttt't § ? ted/are investigating into certain cases involving misuse of official position, misconduct, malpractices etc. In the 4if*i I TOFT ftsft

4200. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL ^sfr ft sqTOT fT^TT TT % rTm t f t REDDY: Will the Minister of f% <) TT WZt FINANCE be pleased to state: fft*rnrft, fft w m r Written Answers go

«f?T v r * s r t % srrfa n (b) Government have accepted the snfr <*a«n ; recommendations of the Pillai Com- mittee Report on standardisation of (

g r a s fm ^p t t ??it ^t t r t t t w~,t£r s r fa r

*1 m i *T >W i 'A i 'i t . 1 *i i, ^*1 cjfa * n j sjr 4203- «PT fal? *nf TOT : qrs^fr ^ *rrw*T *r w *\ ^ SRT f*rT *T5fT W aft fTCT 1 fi ~> 0 TT? rrfa M r * ? * ? T VTT? Cf7 fo: c’TTTlf77-T =i: fn-r 7 TJTT. fa^T^T itV o H 7T?)7 ‘yrff 37 f j f ; ^ ' ( t ) fsrssr it % 3vqre

4202. SHRI SURENDRA B K R A M : 1 (^t ) ^ Jr, ^ n r , Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: ?p^tTT ^TT Tr'TT^r g«T ;

(a) whether Government's atten- («r) t o t ^ iHid wr tion has been drawn to the news item ^rcftiT fer snnr f?n; %f\x published in the ‘Indian Express’ of 26th September, 1977 Pillai Panel Re- por( has been changed; and (r-) w t srqpfa- 3RT% 5f^3RT I ?flT ^f, rft ^R T (b) if so, the reaction of the Gov- sqYrr 'Prr ^ 1 ernment thereto?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE f i m *»5n5w # TTsur ( « i V AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL) : (a) Yes, Sir. wfVir w m v m ) : (^) ^ S* t 91 Written Answers DECEMBER 18, 1977 Written Answers 92

(m ) tftr ( * ) . »e * p t shf fT’TT vdfllftfl WRt*T *rm 1974-75, 1975-76 1976-77 ?ft% fc * VHfll'C «ft:— % sfarc SJr^T ttut If info vnmrT

%#hr vmrnr 90° *iwr *t t 5TgT ■J?nfTf W<£lq tft *TT3TT

1 3 4

(frrcirr) (*fH^r & )

1 9 7 4 - 7 5 1 8 .8 0 0 4 76

7T3TWPT 1 2 .6 5 5 337

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1 9 7 5 -7 6 WW ST9T 2 1.274 501 TTjf^TR 15.811 3 7 0

1 4 ,5 0 2 3 0 6

ifr ? 5 1 .5 8 7 1,177

1 5 7 6 - 7 7 *>31 2 4 .4 0 6 434

th t ^ t h 1 6 ,0 3 7 31 6

t t 7 16,57 5 414

^rr 5 7 ,0 1 8 1,164

Sugar exported and Foreign Exchange («r) »pt ^r - arrt % Earned XTBflT % TTfT f?T«T srmffa ?rqT tirrft’f: w w i % frr*7 4204. S H R I ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: Will the Minister of COM- f*3TT TRT «rr, | S w t t MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND i^TVP=rnr?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN sugar exported by India, value there- THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE of and profit/loss on exports for the AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- past three financial years is indicated OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG) : below: (a) and (b). The total quantity of

Year q lantity Value Profit I/^s (in lakh MT) (in Rs. Crores) (-f) (—)

(in Rs. crores)

1974-75 6- 24 3 *2' 78 (+ ) I5 5 9 0

1975-76 n -8 8 464-'3 ( + ) 150-56 *976-77 80 131•68 (-) 27-30

Coconut Oil as Industrial Product Convention for youth involvemqnt in Cooperation Movement 4205. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND 4206. SHRI K. R AM AM U RTH Y: CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- Will the Minister of COMMERCE TION be pleased to state: AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- OPERATION be pleased to state: (a) whether Government are aware (a) what are the recommendations that coconut oil ig being used in large forwarded to the Government by the quantities for industrial purposes; two days National convention on youth involvement in the cooperation (b) whether some Southern States movement which was recently held have urged upon the Central Govern- at Delhi in the month of Septem ber, ment to declare the coconut oil as an 1977; and industrial product; and (b) whether Government have de- (c) if so, the details there of and cided to accept the recommendations Government’s decision thereon? for early implementations?

THE MINISTER OF S T A T S IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- TION (SHRI KRISHNA KUMAR TION (SHRI KRISHNA KUMAR GOYAL) : (a) Coconut oil is being GOYAL) : (a) No, Sir. The Govern- used for industrial purposes as raw ment of India have not so far receiv- material mainly in soap and toiletry ed recommendations referred to. industries. (b) Does not arise. (b) and (c). In June, 1977 a rep- resentatation was made by the Kerala Loans from O. P. E. C. for Bombay Kera Karshaka Sangham in which High inter alia it was pleaded that coconut oil be exempted from the category of 4207. SHRI SAUGATA ROY: Will edible oils. Despite the use of coconut the Minister of FINANCE be pleased oil in the industrial sector, its use for to state: edible purposes is significant. Hence this request of the Sangham was not (a) whether India is getting a loan acceded. from O.P.E.C. for Bombay High; and 95 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers

(b ) under what terms and condi- lishment of a federation of Indian tions these loans are being granted? Consumers’ Organisations to perform the function of education and exten- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE sion; essential commodities should be AND REVENUE AND BANKING selected and named; ‘Civil Supplies* (SHRI H. M. PATEL) (a) and (b). should be included in the concurrent The OPEC Special Fund has decided list; ConsumeT Advisory Council to provide a loan of US S 14 million should be set up at Central, State, towards the foreign exchange expen- District, Block levels; thero is greater diture on goods and services in re- need for vigilance with regard to gard to three parallel pipeline^ of adulteration and quality control on the about 10 Kms, from Gavhan to Trom- part of the Government, and various bay Land Fall through Nhava. The professional bodies in the country loan is for a period of 20 years in- should be associated to research and cluding 4 years moratorium and i* in- investigate problems connected with terest-free. but is subject to a service consumer protection. charge of 0.75 per cent per annum on the loan withdrawn and outstanding. (c) and (d). The recommendations regarding the setting up of a separate One-day workshop on Consumer Ministry of Consumer AiTairs and in Rights and Distribution System eluding ‘Civil Supplies’ in the concurrent list are not at present under 4208. SHRI K A C H A R U L A L H EM - the consideration of the Central Gov- RAJ JAIN : Will the Minister of ernment. The other recommenda- COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES tions of the workshop are being AND COOPERATION be pleased to examined. state:

fa) whether one cf the major re- Encashment of Earned Leave by Cen- commendations of the one-day work- tral Government Employees shop on Consumer Rights :j.nd Dis'ri bution System’ held in New Delhi is 4209. SHRI V A SA N T SATHE: W ill that to ensure availability of goods the Minister of FINANCE be pleased and services across the country parti- to state: cularly essential commodities at a given price and in given quantities, a (a) whether it is a fact that in some separate Ministry of Consumer Affairs State Government encashment of should be set up; leave to the extent of one month is allowed to the Government servants; (b) what are the other recommendations of the workshop: (b) if so, whether the Central Gov- (c) whether Government have since ernment also propose to consider ex- considered these recommendations; tending of such facility to its em- and ployees; and

(d) if so, the decision taken on (o if not, the reasons therefor? them ? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE M. PATEL) : (a) Yes, Sir. AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE- (b) and (c). The Central Govern- RATION (SHRI KRISTINA KUMAR ment also considered the proposal of GOYAL): (a): Yes, Sir. extending such facility to Central (b) The other recommendations of Government employees, but in view of the workshop on ‘Consumer Rights the substantial financial implications, and Distribution System* are: estab- it was decided not to introduce such 97 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 9g a Scheme. However, Government have owing to the reduction of import formulated a Scheme for allowing duty; and Central Government employees to en- cash the leave available to them at (c) whether Government will consi- the time of retirement from service. der to instruct the industrialists to The main features of the Scheme are, fix the utensil price per Kg. to reduce in brief, as follows: the margin of profit?

(i) The Scheme is applicable to Government servants retiring on or THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE after 30-9-1977. AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE- (ii) The payment of cash equiva- RATION (SHRI ARIF BEG) : (a) lent of leave salary shall be limited 6994 tonnes of stainless steel sheets to a m axim um of 180 days earned have been imported between 16th leave. July and 12th December, 1977 out o f which 4182 tonnes are in the grades (iii) The cash equivalent of leave and thicknesses used by utensil in- salary thus admissible will become dustry. payable on retirement and will be paid in one lump-sum as one-time »(b) Although MMTC has already settlement. released about 4000 metric tonnes of the imported material, the desirable (iv) Cash payment under the impact on prices has not yet been felt Scheme will, subject to (v) below, be for the reasons firstly of the time lag equal to leave salary ns admissible for between the lifting of the material and earned leave and dearness allowance the marketing of the end product by admissible on that leave salary at the the manufacturers and secondly be- rates in force on the date of retire- cause of the inadequate supplies by the ment. No city compensatory allow- rollers to the utensil industry. How- ance and/or house rent allowance ever, the prices have started showing shall be payable. declining tre»nd. (v) From the cash amount worked out in accordance with (iv) above (c) The Government is keeping a will be deducted the pension and watch on the situation. pensionary equivalent of other retirement benefits for the period for which Advances to Marginal Small Borrowers cash equivalent is payable. by Nationalised Banks (vi) The authority competent to grant leave shall suo-

marginal small fanners with holdings advanced in the State of Orissa are as upto 5 acres by public sector banks, follows: during the last two years, and those (Rs. in lakhs.)

Upto rnd or Srp- Upto end of Scp- ie:nbrr ip7j trmbrr 197ft

All India Orissa All India Orissa

Shorl-trmi . 1051o* 23 161 • 98 13809-91 302* 53

Tcrm-Loans 5)447’ 24 to a -o o 0086*97 210*49

1 .y)')7’ l 7 .561.98 24896-88 513 - 02

(b) Total amount outstanding cf upto the end of Septem ber 1975 and advances to farmers with holdings September 1976. are as b e low : above 5 years, by public sector banks

Rs. in lakhs.)

Unt » r*id ol ScpirmlKT

197", 1976

Short- term , 1 < 1 ',mi* 79 < r > w -*7 Term-Lonns . ; 8 2086

:;.|” 68-97 44654* 13

Money Supply and Wholesale Price Wholesale Price Index (1970-71 = Index 100) rose by 1.1 per cent this year as 4212. SHRI DRONUM RAJU SAT- against an increase of 8.4 per cent last YAKARAYANA: Will the Minister year. The Consumer Price Index of FINANCE be pleased to state: (1960— 100) shows an increase o f 5.8 per cent between March and October (a) the money supply position and 1977 as against 6.3 per cent in the the wholesale price index with its re- same period o f 1976. flection on the retail prices, from March, 1977 to 31st October, 1977 as (b) and (c). As will be seen from compared with the corresponding the above, there has been slowing period of the previous year; dow’n in the rate of increase of both (b) the reasons for deteriorating money supply and prices in the cur- difference even though the crop posi- rent year. tion has been good and encouraging; and Reconstitution of Mica Advisory Com- (c) the steps envisaged by the Gov- mittee ernment to improve the situation? 4214. SHRI R. L. P. V E RM A : W ill THE MINISTER OF FINANCE the Minister of COMMERCE AND AND REVENUE AND BANKING CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- (SHRI H. M. PATEL) : (a) Between TION be pleased to state: end-March and end-O ctober 1977 money supply expanded b y 6.4 per (a) whether it is a fact that Mica cent as against 9.7 per cent in the Advisory Committee has been recon- corresponding period of 1976; the stituted recently; 101 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (iSAKA) Written Answers 102

(b) what are the reasons for the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE reconstitution of the Committee when MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND the Cofnmittee s e t up as recently as CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- 1976 was functioning satisfactorily; TION (SHRI ARIF BEG) : (a) to and (d). The Indian Institute of Manage<- (c) whether most of the prominent ment, Ahmedabad, has been entrusted exporters and experts who were mem- with the study on the functioning of bers of the Committee have been STC and MMTC and their subsidiaries eliminated in the process of reconsti- and to make recommendations re* tution of the Committee? garding the role of these organisa- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tions in the overall national interest MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND which they are supposed to serve. The CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- Institute has already submitted an TION (SHRI ARIF BEG) : Yes, Sir. interim report. The recommendations of the Institute will be taken into ac- (b) It was felt that this Committee count while considering the reorga- would become more action-oriendted nisation of STC. and its discussions would be more purposeful if it was reduced to a com- pact size and the representation of Examination of Study Report Publish- the weaker section on it increased. ed by Economy and Scientific Research Association of Indian Chambers of (c) No, Sir. Apart from the Mem- Commerce, Calcutta bers of Parliament and representa- tives of workers from the three mica 4216. SHRI K. L A K K P A A : W ill producing States of Bihar, Andhra the Minister of FINANCE be pleased Pradesh and Rajasthan, efforts were to state: made, as far as possible, to give representation to various mica interests such (a) whether Government have ex- as exporters, dealers, mine-owners and amined the study report published by fabricators through the office bearers the Economic and Scientific Research of the respective organisations. In Association of the Indian Chambers this process, a few Members of the of Commerce, Calcutta on foreign earlierh Committee could not final a capital and industrial growth; place in the reconstituted Committee. (b) if so, whether they have favou- Reorganisation of S.T.C. red the foreign investment; 4215. SHRI PR A SA N N B H A I M EH- (c) whether the slow down of in- TA: Will the Minister of COM- vestment activity has been characte- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND rised as the prime factor responsible COOPERATION be pleased to state: for problems of poverty and increas- (a) whether it is a fact that Union ing volumes of unemployment; and Government is considering to reor- (d) to what extent they have ag- ganise the State Trading Corporation reed to their proposals? of India; THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND (b) if so, whether Union Govern- REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI ment is also considering to curb on H. M. PATEL) : (a) and (b). Gov- the role of S.T.C. in view of its poor ernment have seen the Report entitl- perofrmance; ed ‘Foreign Capital and Industrial (c) if so, to what extent the re- Growth* published hy the Economic organisation has helped this Corpora- and Scientific Research Association, tion; and Calcutta. The Report, inter alia, states (d) what are the changes made in that “investment and the way it is the working of the Corporation and generated by domestic and foreign to what extent these changes have savings hold the key to economic improved its efficiency? growth*', and hence the emphasis is 103 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 104 on total investment of which foreign attached to his air ticket. As he was investment is a part. not a suspected passenger, his bag- gage was not examined and the pack- (c) The report holds the slow down ages were loaded on the plane in the of investment activity as the root normal course by Air India staff. Ac- cause of inadequate industrial growth cording to information received by in India. This slow down is attribut- Government, Shri Sitaram Singhania ed to “the insufficiency of capital in- was tried by a Mauritius Court for flow and inadequacy of the measures smuggling jewellery worth over to keep up the level of internal in- Mauritius Rupees 11 lakhs. The case vestm ent” . resulted in his acquittal on 11-2-77. (d) In so far as foreign capital is This suitcase along with the jewel- concerned, Government’s current lery were disclaimed by Shri Singha- policy is that it will be permitted in nia and were confiscated by the high technology areas and in export- Mauritius Customs. oriented ventures. Y lfT VI «FZT % frtT President and Chairman of J. K. mm s l w y m *rin Synthetics Ltd. 4218. *To w it qtiu: 4217. SHRI YADVENDRA DUTT: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to refer to the reply given to u'eft ^ *«tt w t ’t Unstarred Question No. 946 on 18th fa: N ovem ber, 1977 regarding seizure o f ornaments from President and Chair- ( T ) aPTT TTWT man of J. K. Synthetics Ltd., and TTSjfT % state: fair (a) whether those suit-cases con- ir ^ ^ Trin ^ ft; taining smuggled ornaments were entered as their luggage in their air ( i f ) Sfe ?t, rT> gRff WT tickets; (b) how were those boxes loaded *TtiT *rt ft ; sflT in Indian Airport and who were responsible for loading them in the ( n ) m apt t*r plane 3TT 7?7 artET f c s r f ’ tf fa ST *TT ? (c) what action Government have taken against the persons responsible for loading boxes belonging to no passenger in the plane; and Fjwnftm »?TFtr 3 (d) the action taken by Government £t«r j*nr ifltw) :(r) p (r). sfr to establish the ownership of their boxes? i ir ^ J T t v z -t v v DT Tfotr urn crfVr|TT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI srrfTrfTT fp ? n f SATISH AGRAWAL): (a) to (d). ft i jtct n&w %f\* Reports received by the Government ttu?t HffV «T?fr indicate that Shri Sitaram Singhania had travelled from Bombay to Mauri- umrf Jif ft i t o t *rt f*r tius by Air India flight No. 711 on 2600 mfrtfCT 8-10-1976. He had checked in with viafVa fV>-M i WT

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fww iwt ttow «ftr tftrn ifcft 4220. SHRI PARM ANAND GO- q»To qw ) : (*) *flT (*). VlNuJIWALA: Will the Minister of T O R T O R t SRT % 3 *r f ^Tt ^ COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to f WT-WT

(b ) whether the export of silver is still continuing even after emergency; f^Tfftfmr (*tar) nfti: and 3T?#T fftq- «fofaT, tf^FT, 5Srtf,

(c) is it not also a fact that India J^cT, HMH, Td I <, HT3?ft is not a producer of silver? in s , «nr<3«, fipsr *rr*

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN T T ^ T tRRT, ^TT*T, THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE J fftfw , vlWTOT, « 4 < ta 1TT3T AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- srro *nfcr w - OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG) : (a) 2,450 tonnes of silver were ex- TFJ’T cT*TT ^tf7TTT | ported from India during July, 1975 to M arch, 1977. 5** m *rta (sin) : TOff^nrr, (b) Yes, Sir. ^TTST, OTTOF, f^Tf, 4>itl, (c) Yes, Sir. It is a fact that India inhft, ^oiTRo'fto, ^ fr, 'TTFT, is not producing silver except that M/s. Hindustan Zinc produce silver of fiffCT, cTOT S°?T° W fm I about 11 to 12 tonnes a year as their bye-product flR/facT TOT ir ^ TOT

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4222. DR. BALDEV PRAKASH: «nft«K in ) : f^PT rTFT ^ff k 5TTPT WilJ the Minister ot FINANCE be fanr ^ f f t o t fjpritT fwirr w r , pleased to state:

TOT x * m i r t :— (a) the number of ofRcers and other employees demoted and services ter- mwr / wftffftfaa (f^ r) t o t : minated from General Insurance Cor- poration and its subsidiaries in Nor- «TITOT^r, 3 ffr?r JTT t f r W T , thern Zone daring Emergency; 3 * t f, ST1TOT, + a l v, I<*-.<;I v <«i, frrer m w r, tfoTTo (b) whether any charge-sheet or ahow-cause notices were given to STPF, tffaa, SfRT STC* *FT- them before their demotion or ter- TT>*T ?WT 'tflHM I m inations; 109 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers n o

(c) whether an opportunity was THE MINISTER OF STATE IN provided to them to represent their THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI cases before taking action; SATISH AGRAWAL): (a) Efforts made by the Indirect/Direct Taxes (d) whether Government have con- Divisions of the Department of Reve- sidered their cases to undo the wrong nue to check tax evasion and for col- done to them; and lection of outstanding arrears of taxes are detailed below: — (e) whether any cases of misuse of power and harassing junior officers I n d i r e c t T a x e s D i v i s i o n and public during emergency by higher officers have come to the notice Central Excise Wing: The Central of Government; if so, the action taken Excise Department is constantly On by Government? the alert to detect evasion of duty and to take appropriate measures to THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND combat and also to expedite collection REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI of outstanding tax arrears. Preven- H. M. P A T E L ) : tive measures have been tightened on the basis of the recommendations con- (a) The cases of termination tained in the Report of the Central of service of officers and Excise (Self Removal Procedure) Re- em ployees 31 view Committee. Instructions issued in this regard envisage pre-authenti- the cases of demotion Nil cation of statutory records and verifi- cation of receipts under Rule 56A of (b) and (c). Regular charge sheets the Central Excise Rules, involving and opportunity to show cause were duty of Rs. 5,000 or m ore in all cases, given to 14 employees. In other cases, exercising a greater degree of transit according to the G.I.C. the services of checks, intensification of effective the concerned employees were termi- supervisory checks oil production at nated without giving any show cause various stages, and increasing the phy- notice on the ground of poor perfor- sical supervision at all stages in re- mance. gard to certain commodities particu- (d) and (e). The cases of those em- larly prone to evasion. ployees, whose services were termi- In 1976 a special drive was launched nated without any show cause notice to combat tax evasion by forming spe- are under review. cial Collectorate-wise checking squads to carry out checks of important Constitution of new Committee to units to intensify control by super- check Tax Evasion and Collection of visory officers and resort to arrests Arrears Outstanding Tax and prosecution in cases of deliberate evasion. Further intensification of 4223. SHRI M AN ORAN JAN BH A- control on the lines of the Production KTA: Will the Minister of FINANCE Based Control recommended by the be pleased to state: Central Excise (Self Removal Proce- dure) Review Committee is proposed (a) whether Government have to be undertaken at an early date. undertaken exercise to find out ways and means to check tax-evasion and In the case of unmanufactured to- collection of outstanding tax arrears bacco. also measures were undertaken and if so, full details of the measures to plug loopholes and prevent tax eva- contemplated; and sion on the basis of the recommendations of the Tobacco Excise Tariff (b) whether it is proposed to con- Committee. stitute a new Committee to evolve the new measures in this regard and ft Customs Wit?*: The relevant proce- so, progress in this regard? dures and anti-tax evasion measures I l l Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers are constantly reviewed in consulta- (b) There is no proposal at present tion with field formations for ensur- to constitute a new Committee to ing speedy and effective results in the evolve new measures in this regard. fight against tax evasion. Special drive had been launched by the Cus- Money Supply and Rise In Wholesale toms Department to reduce tax arrears Price Index in the past years and there is no let up in these special efforts. 4224. SHRI M U KU N D A M A N D A L: Will the Minister of FINANCE be Direct Taxes Division: An integra- pleased to state: ted approach is now being made to find out ways and means practised for (a) extent of expansion of /rioney indulging in tax evasion through col- supply in 1975-76, resulting in a rise lection of intelligence, investigation, in the wholesale price index numbers scrutiny of accounts and search ope- by 12 per cent in 1976-77 compared to rations. Some of the notable fea- a drop of about 6 per cent in the pre- tures of the Income-tax Department s vious year; drive against tax evasion are; thorough (b) composition and nature of the and systematic survey for discovering expansion of money supply during new assessees; streamlining the ma- 1976-77; chinery for collection, collat?on and dissemination of useful information (c) factors responsible for this ex- amongst the assessing officers, pansion; making the Intelligence Wing a (d) whether inflationary pressure more effective tool in bringing tax has increased in recent period; and evaders to book; training of officers in processing potential prosecution (e) if so what steps, if any long- cases and an intensive programme for term as well as short term, are being educating the tax-payers. contemplated to contain the same? The phenomenon of tax arrears is a continuing one. Even though the THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND tax outstanding at the beginning of REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI financial year is collected/reduced to H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). Money a substantial extent by the year-end, supply with the public recorded an the arrears again go up mainly because increase o f Rs. 1232 crores o f 10.3 per a part of the fresh tax demand raised cent in 1975-76. It is, how ever, diffi- during the course of the year is not cult to relate this rate of growth in fully collected and becomes fresh money supply in 1975-76 to *-he rise arrears of tax at the end of the year. in the wholesale price index of 12 per Depending 011 the facts and circums- cent in 1976-77. A statement showing tances of each case, suitable steps are the composition of money supply in "taken from time to time by the In- 1975-76 and 1976-77 and factors res- come-tax authorities concerned for ponsible for money Supply expansion recovery of tax arrears in accordance is laid on the Table of the House. with the provisions of the Income-tax (d) and (e). Inflationary pressures A c t, 1961. These steps include: — re-emerged in 1976-77 when general (a) levy of interest for delayed index of wholesale prices (1970-71- payment of tax; 100) rose by 12 per cent. During the current financial year, a fair degree of (b) imposition of penalty for non- stability has obtahied, the general in- payment of tax; dex showed an increase of only 0.7 (c) attachment of monies due to per cent between the last Saturday of the defaulters; and M arch 1977 and N ovem ber 19, 1977 as (d* attachment and sale of mov- compared to that of 8.7 per cent dur- able/ immovable properties. ing the corresponding period of last 113 W ritten Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 ( SAKA ) Written Answers 114 yea r. , During the last three months on exports of essential commodities, between August 20, 1977 and Novem- streamlining of distribution and regu- ber 19, 1977, general index of whole- lation of stocks of pulses, edible oils, sale prices, however, declined by 2.8 etc., aud a restrictive monetary and per cetit. credit policy. As part of long term measures, Government have formula- The major steps which led to this ted a comprehensive plan for increas- favourable result include: liberalisa- ing the production of pulses, raw cot- tion of imports of commodities in short ton aud oilseeds and improvement in supply, larger releases from Govern- public distribution system. Recently, ment stocks, removal of restrictions on the prices of agricultural inputs like movement of foodgrains, restrictions fertilisers and pesticides were reduced.

Statement

Analysis of Variations in money supply with tht public (Rs. crores.)

Variations during

197W6 1976-77 (on last Friday of March basis)

Monf'y supply with the public (a -j- b) + 1232 + 2460 (»o- 3) (.8-7)

(a) Currency with thr public . +35 6 + 1164 (5-6) (1 7 * 4-) (b) Deposit money +876 + 1296 (Jj‘ 7, ( 2 0. I) r Sources of change in money supply

a. Net bank credit to Govt. # . + 57 f +909 (6-1) (9-o)

fa) RBI’s net credit to Govt. , . + 127 +229

(b) Other hank’s credit to Govt. +45 i +680

■2. Bank credit to commercial sector +2745 +3°89 (21*7) (ao-1)

(a) RBI’s credit to commcrcial sector +69 + 166

(b) Other banks’ credit to commercial sector . +2676 +2923

-3. Net foreign exchange assets of the banking sector +755 + >463 (192-6) (127*6)

4. Govt’s currency liabilities to the public . +24 + '3 (4-5) (2-3) Minus 5. Non-monetary liabilities of banking sector, +2870 +3014 (25-6) (21-4) of which: >

Time deposits with banks + 1591 +2524 (21 -I) (27- 6 )

Notr : Figure* in bracket* are percentage variations. H5 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers

w f t jwfaim fa im **rr wferfvnr, 1949 «tct 43^ ( 2) ( * ) «rk 43^ ( 2) ( ^ ) v s r o r f % n ^ n rr riraftift W v n i v f *rt 5^ 4225. gmv wrjrin : vn XTCT^ft TftT fim ireft ^ 5rTT^f fi’tfT +<.<1 f% Vt 30 q% TOT y § ^ yiTcT mwU wrzft $ I (*) WT C'+R *T f*RR 1960 fc^Tfaqi fT yy (5TETPT Tiqfaq «Vh7T, nfRIt?) *7 VTTVcrfin Air Service between Delhi and Manall 'tf'W'l 4ilsff f^tii*t *?>! 4226. SHRI DU RGA CHAN D: W ill ( * ) ■ 5T, ?ft V ? cTT; the Minister ef TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to stats:

(*T) WT I t % ^FTTfT ^ T ?T (a) whether it is a fact that the air- *psrfw ^7 5#t nf *ft; servjce between Delhi and Manali has started; (*) WT TOF k ^TPTffT ^5=T (b) if so, when;

TifVr sr*n % ^ r *r *ft? (c ) ii not, what are the reasons therefor and when these services were stopped; Pm iwr tww «fv*T (d) by when the services will be (* < * • !»*<» TOT) : (*r) *ftr (»l): resumed; and irmfhr far# ^ *tt, f^pr (e) whether it is a fact that a large f^r° (qfr^m rq^ *r) 4 number of tourists and visitors have 1 9 7 6 fa r % * ff?TT *t been affected by non-resumption of m r faftem f^rr «tt, w r i ar the air service? WJIg T^PT % T fsF ^ R STT &TFT 24 THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND ^TRT, 1977 WT> ?1«T 3Tt VTtT CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHO- m?XZ *PTT f% *rih. 1965 TTAM KAUSHIK): (a) to (d). No % ?T¥*fr fa frr?? ( i f t - Sir, Indian Airlines last operated to Kulu during 1975. The an* services to «*iimh *r) * %m w r n m r jtt wfrf Kulu were discontinued due to run- whmm trrnmr ^ifr^r ft; zrrifr, way limitations and other pressing de- fvw i %% *r *r^niJj*TiJ, m r 7Tf?r mands on the Turbo-prop aircraft India*; Airlines have no plans f°r Mrfld ^rfr £ I starting a service to Kulu.

( n ) STF ( ^ ) : f-nrf (e) Manali is one of the important f r * qfarr frm £ f=r **r t *? t r - m tourist places in Himachal Pradesh and ma^y tourists visit this place. ^ r t P. f a p r I t t . im However, as no separate statistics have Jrttw 5f t T t f flprfrr wrr ^fr >rf % i bea; compiled so far, either State- qr^T

Premature Retirement of Gazetted/ imports from India due to low stan- Non^Gazetteti Officers in Indian Audit dard of the produce; and Accounts Department during . Emergency (b) the reasons for exporting such low standard products; and 4227. SHRI G A N A N A TH P R A - (c) steps taken for imposing qua- DHAN: Will the Minister of FIN- lity control? ANCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (a) number of Gazetted and non- THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE Gazetted officers in the Indian Audit AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- and Accounts Department prematurely OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): retired during Emergency; (a) No, Sir.

(b) number of such cases occurred (b) and (c). Do not arise. in Orissa; Objectives of Canalisation of Proces- (c) steps so far taken by Govern- sed Mica through MMTC/MiTCO ment to reinstate such employees who were prematurely retired; and 4229. SHRI CH AN DRAD EO P R A - (d) whether such cases are expec- SAD VIJRMA: Will the Minister of ted to be reviewed impartially? COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to THE MINISTER OF FINANCE state: AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. P A T E L ): (a) 25 Gazet- (a) what were the objectives of ted officers and 77 non-gazetted offi- canalisation of processed mica through cers of the Indian Audit and Accounts MMTC/MITCO; Department were retired prematurely during the emergency. (b) whether these objectives have been fully realised; and (b) Out of the 25 gazetted officers (c) if not why is Government mentioned in reply against (a) above, two belonged to the office of the Ac- hesitating in decanalising the export countant General, Orissa. No non- of processed mica? gazetted officer belonging to the office THE MINISTER OF STATE IN of the Accountant General, Orissa, was THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE retired during emergency. AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) (c) and (d). The Comptroller and The major objectives of canalisation Auditor General of India has been re- were to place mica trade on sound quested to review the cases of Gov- footing and to improve unit value ernment servants prematurely retired realisation. Canalisation also aimed at during the emergency as and when helping weaker sections of trade and representations are received from the industry by facilitating their participa- affected employees. tion in the mica export trade, payment of fair and reasonable prices for mica Engineering Exports from India to produced by them and payment of fair Middle East Countries and reasonable wages to the mica workers. 4228. SHRI JENA BAIRAGI: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND (b) Although these objectives can- CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- not be said to have been fully achieved, the establishment of MITCO has TION be pleased to state: brought about healthy trends in the (a) whether the Middle East Coun- mica export trade. tries have recently substantially dec- reased the quantity of Engineering (c) Does not arise. ^ 119 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers

fim m w fu fa w , 196 2 % band during the period of last six months; anrfini FnwTT (b) what is the amount of property involved in the said contraband; 4 2 3 0 . « f t T T O f a f t : (c) what is the ‘modus-operandi’ of 4 mI ftjTf Hsf) ^ Tt fiTT V77T f a : the possession of the contraband; and

(d) what steps are taken or the Gov- (*) ^ fvhm

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V « ^ « K 1 9 7 7 % ’ETrT ^ TTHT-^R THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI fatT% m w snrrfarT fir ; SATISH AGRAWAL); (a) to (c). Report received by Government indicates that during the last 6 months, ( g ) % rr snrrf^r ?^t- two Preventive Officers of the Bombay TITT *pT^W *t> <*i % Ih <^ TOT jf^RTtT Customs (Preventive) Collectorate were arrested for their involvement spTrf f rmT fa^ft famfN^r ff | in smuggling of gold worth about Rs. srk s*r% fa^r ^ U .r ^mrfNrr ^ 45,334. The contraband was found concealed in a cloth belt tied to the t ; *flr waist of one of the officers.

(d) In order to check recurrence of (*[) vl'ufa^H ^PT such incidents, all Customs Officers at ^r% % ttt^ ^fr tot ?rr*r ?tt f sftr Bombay have been instructed not to enter docks or board the ships unless ^ s r ^«n% % t t ^ *rt a rR ^ rfrv they are on duty. Senior Officers % tot erfa ?fnft ? have also been instructed to keep a close watch over the activities nf staff of doubtful character. fim «i*iMU *f rru r *n*t («ft 3 t o r aatar * n w r t h ) : (*) & (»r). ^•ll 7T 7ft ^ V\T *T^Tj T7n*TT Opti»m *r^t «Hin tf?*TT *3$ fa : Personnel from Customs Department of Bombay arrested for possession of Contraband (*) if w w r fa

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(c) the gaps between the needs and p n foi f 'tw t flwO availability from the co-operative agencies and the steps taken or pro- 4234. ir^ M rm : posed to be taken for narrowing down the gap? WT fWW ^ SRTR fyTT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ft? : MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND (ap) «raT iTfihr % fasrsr Mid«i CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- TION (SHRI KRISHNA KUMAR ^£t, Wr fa iTFprm f * r GOYAL): (a) and (b). The sub- ? r k working group on Agricultural Credit set up for formulating proposals for the Fifth Five Year Plan had estimated ( g ) t o r j m STfHT the short-term production credit re- < ^ r ft ar f?rtr w r t t w I *rr quirement for the country as a whole at Rs. 3,000 crores. The State-w ise t ; details are given at Annexures I to V. Laid °n the Table of the Sabha. fan *T3rmar n r w »rat («ft [Placed in Library. See No. LT-1385/ *whr t o wonrm ) : (*>) w m x *rr 77] No survey h^s been made to determine the credit needs for the rural Pm^ pH lit y!fl ITFhT Ml'dTT % industries sector. ^sr % ’Sfrrt ^t ? t : % 3rr^ t farcft

■Hl^vi TT ’TrTT t I (c) The total estimated credit requirement was Rs. 3,000 crores out of ( g ) m fo ?T ^ fr T7" snRT?t f f h which Rs. 1700 crores were expected to be provided by the cooperatives and % fairer ^tt ?,?n t, w ifr ?F^t- commercial banks leaving an estima- n=ram: =ft fam wr I 1 ted gap between the needs and avail- p t —rnfT i? fsrwPT *frr ability of the order of Rs. 1300 crores during the Fifth Plan period. The =T^T TJ ST71 ^TFTT ?ftT Zj c. • O steps taken for narrowing the gaps ?T^ff £cff T

(a) whether any survey has been Export of Potatoes during 1977-78 made to determine the credit needs in 4236. SHRI M. A. HANNAN the agricultural sector and the rural ALHAJ: Will the Minister of COM- industries sector; MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details of the needs as revealed by the survey, State-wise; (a) whether it is a fact that local and market price of potatoes feU down to 127 Written Answers DECEMBER 16. 1977 Written Answers I2 &

a very low level in 1975 and farm ers Regulations and the provisions of the suffered heavy losses due to glutting Regulations relating to recruitment, of the market and so in 1976 and pota- training and examination of agents toes were exported to stabilise the are designed to prevent creation of local market price; and non-geuuine agencies. The agents are (b) whether Government propose to required by the Regulations to be acti- export the potatoes during the year vely engaged in the procuration and 1977-78 to ensure the support price to servicing of the business. If the LIC the growers, as more areas have been fiuds that an agent is not so engaged, planted this year and heavy produc- it terminates the agency. tion is expected, so that condition like 1975 could not prevail? Deterioration in the Working of THE MINISTER OF STATE TN THE Nationalised Rnwfcf MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- 4238. SHRI R. V. SW A M IN A TH AN ; TION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) It is Will the Minister of FINANCE be a fact that there was fall ki potato pleased to state: prices in 1975 and in J an u ary-F eb- ruary 1976. Exports o f potatoes were (a) whether there has been lot of allowed after taking into account the deterioration in the working of the increase in production of export qua- nationalised banks; lity potatoes. (b) if so. whether the directors ap- (b) The actual estimates of the pro. pointed in these banks have no know- duction of potatoes and the area plan- ledge and have not been given any ted for the year 1977-78 have not yet clear guidelines by the new Govern- become available. However, the ques- ment; tion of allowing exports of potatoes will be considered if production is in (c) the main reasons for the deter- excess of demand within the country. ioration in the working of these There are no price trends at present banks; indicating distress for the growers. ,d) what steps have been taken by Agents Functioning in I,.I.e. the new Government to improve the working of these banks; and 4237. SHRI A. K. R O Y : W ill the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (e) whether Government are consi- state: dering to appoint new Directors in each (a) the actual number of agents such bank? functioning in L.I.C. of India; and

(b) action taken to verify the ge- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND nuineness of the Agents and to discard REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI the fictitious and dummy Agants to H. M. PATEL); (a) to (c). Despite maintain the fairness in the sphere of problems attendant on rapid expan- economy and actual income of the so- sion in new areas and sectors, there called Agents? is no reason to believe that the work- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ing of the nationalised banks has been deteriorating. REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) There were The Boards of Directors of the 14 I,42,048 agents on the rolls of LIC nationalised banks have reconsti- on 31-3-1977. been tuted recently by Government. While (b) Agents of the LIC are govern- providing representation to the cate- ed by the provisions of the Agents gories mentioned in the ‘Nationalisa- 129 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 13d tlon Scheme’, persons with professio- Special Assistance to Government of nal experience and expert knowledge Gujarat in different fields likely to be useful for the working of the public sector 4239. PROF. P. G. M A V A L A N K A R : banks have been inducted into the Will the Minister of FINANCE be Boards. The guidelines issued to the pleased to state: banks by the Reserve Bank and the (a) whether it is a fact that the Government are available with the Government of Gujarat have asked fcr bauks and are placed before the special or extra financial assistance for Boards for their information. plan and non-plan projects and works carried out in that State; (b) if so, full facts thereof; (d) The Reserve Bank have constituted several Committees/Working (c) whether Government have partly Groups to look into various aspects of or fully responded to the said demands; the banks working in ordpr to under- (d) if so, broad details thereof; and take a review of the existing position and initiate measures for their im- (e) if not, why not? provement in the light of the recommendations of these Committees as THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND and when they are received. REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (e). A statement showing the amounts of special (e) Government have reconstituted assistance requested by the Govern- the Boards of the 14 nationalised banks ment of Gujarat for various purposes during the last about two months and and the amounts sanctioned by the appointed new Directors in each of Central Government is laid on the them. table of the House.

Statement

(Rs. crorcs)

SI. No. Purpose for which special Central assistance1" Amount Amount sanctioned was requested requested

i. To meet expenditure necessitated by heavy rains 55* f6 i • 50 as short-term loan for and floods in 1977. agricultural inputs, 1 o *43 as advance Plan assis- { tance.

2. To meet gap in resources for Annual Plan 1977-78 25* 43 12*50 as advance Plan assistance.

3. Additional Central assistance for State Flan for The State Goverrment have special problems under the Gadgil Formula. been informed that the special problems ofthe8utewiJlbe kept in view while considering the question of allotment of Central assistance for special problem* under the Gadeil Fonrula. 4. For accelerating the major and medium irrigation projects...... *3'5o 6 * co

5. For construction of rural link roads. . a 2.00 o- 65

0. For acceleration of programmes for rural water supply in 1977-78. * 7* 80 2-63

3066 LS—5. *3* Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 132

Seizures wade daring first sis months per cent &d valorem and to 10 per of 1377 cetit ad valorem from 15 p er cent ad valoremf respectively. 4240. SHRI S. R. REDDY: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to The reasons for duty reduction are state: (i) to give the cane growers a reasonable price; (ii) to retain the retail (a) whether smuggling on large scale price of levy sugar at the present still continues to operate in India and level of Rs. 2.15 per kg.; and (tii) to through India; and ensure a fair price to the producers. (b) the number of seizures made (c) The loss of revenue to the ex- during flirt six months o f 1977 and chequer as a result of the reduction corresponding period during 1976? of basic excise duty on sugar woula depend largely upon the extent to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI which the off-take of free-sale and levy sugar increases consequent upon SATISH AGRAWAL): (a) and (b). decrease in price of sugar as a result Reports received by the Government of duty reduction. The free-sale do not show continuance of iarge sugar off-take is estimated to increase scale smuggling activities. During from 13 ]akh tonnes to 16 lakh tames the first six months o f 1977, 53,405 and of levy sugar from 28 lakh tonnes seizures were effected as against to 34 lakh ta.nes. The estimated an- 32,949 seizures effected during the cor- nual loss of revenue on that basis responding period of 1976. would be Rs. 13.10 crores.

Excise Duty on Sugar (d) and *e). On the basis of prices as reported in the press and ar as- 4241. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN: certained from official sources, while SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN there have been fluctuations in the Will the Minister of FINANC2 be wholesale market price, no firm trend pleased to state: can be discerned as yet.

(a) whether Government have re- It may be mentioned that there is duced the basic excise duty on Sugar usually a time-lag between a duty recently; reduction and its effect on the market (b) if £Ot the details and reasons price. therefor; Loss to Soper Bazar in Metropolitan (c) the estimated loss of revenue to Cities the Government Exchequer expected as a result of this; and 4242. SHRI G. S. REDDI: W ill the (d) whether the market price of tbs Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL sugar has shown any decreasing trend SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be following this step by the Government; pleased to .-tate: and (a) whether the Super Bazars in the (e) if so, the details thereof? metropolitan cities are working at a loss; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b’> if so, the details thereof; SATISH AGRAWAL); (a) Yes, Sir. (c) whether this loss is due to over* (b) Basic excise duty on free sale staffing; and sugar and levy sugar has been reduced on and from 16th N ovem ber, 1977, (d) If so, what steps are being taken to 20 p er cent ad valorem from 371 to reduce these expenses? 133 Written Answers AGHAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 134

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Indian companies of subsidiaries and THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE branches abroad and is permitted AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- after detailed examination of the OPERATION (SHRI KRISHNA KU- merits of each proposal on the basis MAR GOYAL): (a) to (d). Th 2 in- of carefully established guideUncsj formation has been called for from criteria. The policy in regard to es- the State Governments and w ill be tablishment of joint ventures abroad laid on the Table of the House. is currently under review. Such foreign investment abroad is under- Tax Exemption to Indian Cotton taken as an export promotion measure Mills Federation calculated to increase the foreign exchange earnings of the country. 4243. SHRI S. G. M U R U G IA Y A N : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Tax Concession on Publication (a) whether Indian Cotton Mills of Foreign Books by Indian Federation has been given tax exemp- Publishers tion for the last many years; 4245. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: (b) if so, the details; and Will the Minister of FINANCE be (c) steps being taken to collect the pleased to state: arrears and the current dues? (a) whether Government have allowed some tax concession to the pub- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE lication cf the foreign books by the AND REVENUE AND BANKING Indian publishers; and (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) to it). The information is being collected (b) if so, the details thereof? and will be laid on the Table of the House as early as possible. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. Permission to Indian Private Business- M. P A T E L ): (a) and (b). Copyright men to make Financial Investments royalty received by a foreign company Abroad from an Indian concern in consideration for the transfer of all or any 4244. SH RIM ATI PA R V A T H I K R I- rights (including the granting of a SHNAN: Will the Minister of FIN- licence) in respect of copyright in p.ny ANCE be pleased to state: book is charged to tax at the rate of 40 per cent on the gross amount of such (a) whether Government are consi- royalty in cases where the royalty is dering the proposal to allow Indian paid in pursuance of an agreement private businessmen to make financial made on or after 1-4-1976 and the investments abroad; and agreement is approved by the Central (b) if so, the details and reasons Government. Under the Import Trade therefor? Control Policy of the Government of India for April. 1977 to March, 1&7P. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE import of books scientific, technical AND REVENUE AND BANKING and educational subjects covered by (SHRI H. M. P A T E L ): (a) and fb ). List I in Appendix 21 of the Import Financial investment abroad by Inr’ian Trade Control Policy for 1977-78 (^ol. businessmen is permitted under the I) are allowed to be imports into India relevant provisions of the Foreign Ex- under the Open General Licence. The change Regulations Act, 1973. Such Finance (No. 2) Act, 1977 modified the investment takes the form of partici- existing provisions of section 115A of pation in joint ventures abroad, tech- the Income-tax Act. 1961 so as to dis- nical collaboration with foreign com - pense with the requirement of appro- panies and the establishment by val of the agreement for payment of *35 Written Answert MlCBMBUt 16, 1977 Written Answers

copyright royalty by the Central Gov- rate. It, however, appears necessary ernment in cases where the royalty is to have a more detailed investigation paid in respect of copyright in any of the matter undertaken by the Cen- book on a subject, the books on which tral Bureau of Investigation before are pt 'mitted to be imported under an responsibility could be fixed on indivi- Open General Licence in arrodanc'e dual officers. with the Import Trade Control Policy of the Government for April, 1977 to (b) The Central Excise Collectorate, March. 1978. Delhi had conduted a preliminary investigation in June-July. 1977. How- The above amendments are effect’ve ever. since the Chief Controller of Ac- from 1-4-1978 and will accordingly counts. Central Board of Excise and apply in relation to the assessment Customs was entrusted with a detailed year 1978-79 and subsequent years. investigation of the matter early in August. 1977, the Delhi Collectorate Enquiry into embesxleaaeat o f fo o d s did not pursue its enquiry separately. In treasury of central excise collec- (c) While the names of two Assis- torate, Delhi tant Collectors are mentioned in the list of persons to whom advances are 4246. SHRI MOHAN L A L PIP1L: said to have been made, the report Will the Minister of FINANCE be submitted by the Chief Controller of pleased to refer to Unstarred Ques- Accounts. Central Board of Excise *ad tion No. 6486 on the th August. 1977 5 Customs, does not reveal that money regarding embezzlement of funds in the had been withdrawn by the employees Treasury of Central Excise Collecto- for meeting the personal requirements rate. Delhi and state: of a senior officials. (a) whether the Chief Controller of Accounts. Central Board of Excise and Discontinuation of Deduction of Premia Customs has completed the enquiry into of L.I.C. Policies nnder Salary Service the case regarding the embezzlement Scheme by Management of Slngareni of funds in the treasury of the Central Collieries excise Collectorate. Delhi and if so, the 4247 SHRI PURNA SINHA: Will details thereof: the Minister of FINANCE be plea.-ed to state: (b) whether the Central Excise Col* lectorate, Delhi has also carriod out fa) whether Government are aware investigations into the case by them- of the fact that the management of selves, if so, the details thereof; and Singareni Collieries of Andhra Pradtah which is owned by the Andhra Pradeak (c) whether it has also been reveal- Government, has discontinued to de- ed in the investigations that part «f the money had been withdrawn by the duct the premia of life insurance poli- employees for meeting the personal cies under the salary savings scheme numbering 33,000 exposing the policies requirements of a senior official? to lapse hy demanding service charge* THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE from the Life Insurance Corporation; MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI SAT- (b) whether lapse of these policies ISH AGRAWAL): (a) The Chief Con- will involve the loss of Rs. 1.S croras troller of Accounts, Central Board of annually to the Life Insurance Cor* Excise and Customs has since comple- porntion; ted the enquiry and has submitted the report. According to the report, the (c) if so. what steps Government-are Cashier, himself and in collaboration going to take in order to ensure that w ith a few other officials, is responsi- the premia be collected by deduction ble for temporary misppropriation and from the wages of the Singareni Col- embezzlement of funds in the treasury lieries workers and continue to give of the Central Exdse CoUecto- them the benefit of the scheme; and 137 Written Annoert AGRAHAYANA 2S, 1899 (SZKA) Written An*icers 138

(,d) whether Government propose to Grad# Aaaisfamt in July, 1077 in Luck* ensure that the policies taken under now Division hag been received by him, the above scheme will not be allowed if so the action taken thereon and if to lapse in view of the obstacles creat* not the reasons, for apathetic attitude cd ? to the cause at Harijans9

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. H. M. PATEL): (a) Yes, Sir. M. PATEL): (a) The L.I.C. The Singareni Collieries Co. Promotion Regulations 1976 do Ltd. has recently stopped recovery of not provides powers to the manage- life insurance premiums of its emp- ment for encourgement of bossism, loyees under the Salary Savings Sc- favouritism and nepotism in the Cor- heme of the Life Insurance Corporation poration. when the Corporation did not agree to its demand for increase in the rer- (b) The aforesaid regulations have vice charges which are being paid at prescribed among other things criteria a uniform rale to various employers. for selection as seniority, Qualifications* (b) The preimum involved in ihe Confidential Reports and Interview. Schem e is Rs-54 lakhs per annum. These criteria apply to all candidates eligible for promotions and do not put (O The Government of Andhra Pra- the SC /ST candidates at a disad- desh has been requested to ask the vantage as compared to other candi- Company to review its stand. dates. However, the Corporaion has (d) To protect the interests of the granted the following relaxations in policyholders in question the LIC has the case of SC/ST candidates:— offered special conessions in the matter (i) Even though in terms of promo- of revival of the poliies including wai- tion Regulations, 1976, eligible can- ver of (i) health requirements, Oi) didates equal to not more than 5 interests on overdue premiums and times the number of vacancies can (iii) interest while converting pol'cies be called for interview, all eligible to scheme policies. These ordinary candidates belonging to SC/ST ir- concessions will remain in force till respective of whether they are with- 31.12.1977. in 5 times the number of vacancies Defective Promotion Policy of LJ.C. or not are called for interview. (ii) Even though the standard of 4248 SHRI B A LA K RAM: Will the passing in the written test has been Minister of FINANCE be pleased to fixed at 50 per cent, in the case of state: candidates belonging to SC/ST it (a) whether he is aware about th* has been fixed at 40 per cent. defective promotion policy of the LIC (iii) The minimum marks to be which virtually provides enormous obtained by SC/ST candidates for powers to the management for en- being selected are as follows:— couragement of bossim. favouritism and nepotism in the Corporation; (a) Qualifications and Seniority . 1 1 out o f 30 (b) whether he is also aware that (b) Confidential Report ..24 out Scheduled Castes/Tribes are made to of 40 suffer as out of 100 marks 70 marks are awarded by the Management lot (c) Interview .12 out of 30 confidential reports and Interview (iv) The vacancies are reserved leaving only 30 per cent marks for for them as per the Roster. other qualifications of the candidate, (c) A representation has been re- a n d ceived and is under consideration in (c) whether • representation regard- consultation with L.I.C. ing irregularities in promotion ol h u b 139 Written Answer* DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers

w mj r, Jrreftjr hwt year due to threats of bomb planting are as follows: — *if |iif ifpi

Indian Airline.*—during period January- October 1977 424 9. »fh5T WIH 'TJH : iHU *T5ft Bombay . , W>t |W «FT»T : Bangalore . # x Delhi. . . j (t ) « rtt tfkt % «n7=nT, s^rrf Hyderabad. . . x 5 WT, ^hTFp-, «TR, Jabalpur . . . . x f%rJT?*R, ?rrf? «TTI

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Total . . [g Indian Airlines and Air India Flight ■chrdnles disrupted due to threats of There were no threats of skyjacking. Bomb Planting or Skyjacking ibt The figures available do not indicate any significant increase in acti- 4250. SHRI S. R. DAMANI: Will the vity in this respect relating to Indian Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL Airlines and Air India. AVIATION be pleased to state: (ci Since the bomb threats were re- (a) how many times Indian Airlines ceived through telephone calls, it Lad and Air India flight schedules have not been possible to trace the culprits. been disrupted in the current year In order to assist the Airport Security and their details, due to threats of Police authorities in sucessfully inves bomb planting or skyjacking; tigating such threat cases, the Intelli- gence Bureau have recently supplied (b) the reasons for this increased them some guidelines. which night activity; and help tracing the culprits Applications received by R.B.I. and (c) the steps taken to trace the cul- Section 28 of FERA, 1973 prits? 4251. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTER- THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND JEE: Will the Minister of FINANCE C3VIL AVIATION: (SHRI PURUSHOT- be pleased to state: TAM KAUSH1K): (a) The details of fa) how many applications have Indian Airlines and Air India flight been received by the Reserve Bank of jpcbedulei, disrupted in the current India under Section 28 of the Foreign 141 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 14*

Exchange Regulation Act, 1973 since (c) orders passed on such applies* the conucencement of the said Act; tions? THE MINISTER OP FINANCE AND (b) the nature of such applications REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. and the particulars thereof; and M. PA TE L): (a) to (c). Under Section "ft of the Foreign Exchange Regulation Act. 1973. the Reserve Bark of India received 7GG5 application*. Details relating to the disposal cf ihn»e appliraticrs are given b'iow:

Application* in respect of Agency Arrangement* under Sec. 28(l)(A)/28;'3) . . . 807 Applications in respect of acceptance of appointment as Teachnical/managerr.ent Advisers under .Sec. 28(1)(B)/1*8(3)...... 433 Applieatom for grant of permission to allow the use c f Trade Mark sunder Sectic n 28 ( i ) ( C ) / a 8(3) ...... 4*5

T o t a l .... . 166*1

28(i )(A)/ 28(i )(B)/ 28(1 )(C )/ 28(3) 28(3) 28(5)

Number of applications deposed of 670 336 27$

Number of applications under consideration 137 97 i 4s Number of applications approved. . 429 213* 61

Number of applications rejected. 97 4 7 Number of applications on which no action is necessary because provisions of Section 28 are not attracted arrangements expired/ terminated. 144 119 211

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i f w re | ffta isfaR «nror, 1974 there have been irregularities in the conduct of accounts relating to the % w*vnr tnana % vt4v r following parties In its Raipur Branch: %

•Advance* to Road and Water Transport Operaic rs as at the end of March, 1977.

(Amount in lac* of rupe <*)

No. of Limit Balance unit*, sanctioned outstanding

West Bengal 16200 4069-15 3433' 5 1

Bihar 28814 3219-65 2650-45

•Dara provisional.

Increase in loans sought by companies (c) whether these conditions havt through Public Deposits been responsible for frequent shortage of refined edible oil? 4255. DR. BAPU KALDATY: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to state: MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- (a) whether the Reserve Bank has TION (SHRI KRISHNA KUMAR GO- made any study into the recent spurt YAL): (a> Yes, Sir. Manufacture of by private and public companies seek- refined groundnut oil from expeller ing loans through public deposits; groundnut oil produced in India and (b) if so, the names of the compa- the refining of imported palm oil by nies who have sought public deposits vanaspati units have been banned since April, 1977 till October, 1977; from August, 1977 and October. 1P77 and respectively. (c) the amount collected by these (b) Certain restrictions have been companies through the public deposits placed on the manufacture of refinea lor the same period? oil from indigenous oils by the vanasr- pati factories under the Vegetable Oil THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND Product Producers (Regulation of Re- REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI fined Oil Manufacture Order). They H. M. PATEL): (a) The Res- are: erve Bank of India have reported that they have not carried out (i) No producer shall manufacture any study recently of the deposits re- for sale refined vegetable oils during ceived by private and public companies. any calendar month in excess of the quantity determined in the manner set (b) and (c). Does not arise. out in sub-clause (a) or sub-clause Conditions restrictions in refining (b). whichever is higher, namely:-— •f Edible OU (i) The ratio of the production 4256. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: of refined vegetable oils during the Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND month by any producer to his pro- CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- duction during the same month TION be pleased to state: of vegetable oil product, other than (a) whether Government have plac- product manufactured for non-edible ed conditions and restrictions on re- industrial use, shall not exceed twice fining of edible oil in the country; the ratio of his production or refined

period from the 1st January, 1971 fa r o it t t f^tr a W % to the 31st December, 1972 to his production of such vegetable oil pro- yRFtl TTWT RTT'TR f»MIH % duct during the said period; or in T O rnrr ir f t m f m r % (ii) the production of refined vege- f a r e f w n m srrer § * ^ i table oils during the month by any arfufrrtrq-f IITT producer shall not exceed 25 per cent of his production during the O T 5TT t I same month of vegetable oil product other than product manufactured for Deterioration in the quality of Tea of non-edible industrial use; popular brands No restrictions have, however, been 4233. DR MURU MANOHAR JOSHl: placed under this Order, on the manu- Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND facture of refined imported sunflower CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- oil, imported soyabean oil, imported TION be pleased to state: rapeseed oil. imported palmoleinc or (a) whether Government are aware cotton, seed o.l by any vcnaspati fac- that the quality of tea, particularly of tory. the popular brands marketed in the country has been steadily deteriorating (c) No complaints of shortage of re- while their prices have been steadily fined oil have been reported and the increasing; availability of refined groundnut and (b) whether it is a fact that some rapeseed oil manufactured from impor- tea companies like the Brooke Bond ted oils in addition to indigenous re- have rebranded their packages and fined solvent extracted oil is fairly given them different nomenclatures in good. Some representations have how- order to earn more profit from the ever, been received that the ban on same quality of tea; and refining indigenous groundnut oil of expeller origin imposed in August 1977 (c) the steps being taken by Gov- be removed. This is under the consi- ernment to cheflc sue£ practices by deration of the Government. the tea companies and to ensure a certain quality o f tea at a certain price?*

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE % fsnrfw 3 iftHermr MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERAT- TION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) Q uality 4 2 5 7. : T

(*ar) sj^ t i 4261. SHRI M UKH TIAR SINGH MALIK: WiU the Minister of TOUR- Scheme to Improve working system el ISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased Banks to state: (a) whether stores belonging to 4260. SHRI SIVAJI PA TN A IK : WiU Engineering Department of Air India the Minister of FINANCE be pleased at Palam Airport including Petroleum to state: Oil Lubricants were stolen/pilfered (a) whether the working group on during the year 1974 to 1976; productive efficiency and profitability fb) if so, the exact amount involved in com m ercial TianKs (P E P ) com m ittee and the modus operandi of the thieves; has evolved a scheme to improve the working system in banks; (c ) the action taken to trace the thefts and the officers involved (b) if so. the salient features of the through whose collusion and negligence scheme; and this took place; and ( c ) the reaction of Government (d) the remedial action taken to thereto? prevent such losses in future?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOT- H. I PATEL): uo to »cV The Reserve TAM KAUSHIK): (a) During the years Rank of India had in April, 1976. ap- 1974 to 1976 there were two cases of pointed an intcrn.nl W orking Group theft of thinner and petrol from the consisting of its own officers to <:o into Engineering Department of Air India the question of productivity, efficiency at Palam Airport «vxl profitability in com m ercial banks. This Gvowp has recently submitted its (b) nnd (c). In the firs' ense. a dri- report to the Governor, Reserve Bank ver wac caught removing five litre? of of India. Though it has not evolved thinner while in the second case a •v-y specific scheme* to improve the temporary technician was appre- working system in banks, several sug- hended when he siphoned three litres Written Answer* DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers

o f petrol from one of Air India's functions exercised and categorising vehicles. T h e value o f the them within one of the recommended thtener stolen was Rupees thirty grades. The Committee has also re- three and that of petrol Rupees ten. commended the standardisation in res- Investigations in both the cases re- pect of Dearness Allowance and all vealed that there was no collusion in- other allowances like Travelling Allow- volved. The driver involved in the ance, House Rent allowance, City Com- theft of the thinner was severely war- pensatory Allowances, etc. The Com. ned and the services of the temporary mittee also suggested inter-bank trans- technician were terminanted. ferability of officers at the top level. These recommendations were accepted (d) Since the above incidents, items by the Government as further liberalis- such as thinner, oil. etc., are kept in ed by the Group of Bankers set up by India's stores which is manned Air the Government. round the clock by a store-keeper who is responsible for the issue of items (b) and (c). The Officers Associations under proper authority. In order to of the public sector banks have been prevent stealing of petrol from vehicles, protesting against the implementation locking devices have been provided to of the Pillai Committee’s recommenda- the petrol tanks of all Air India vehi- tions. One of the grounds for their pro- cles and the starf are not permitted to test is that the implementation of ihese bring their private vehicles into the recommendations would involve n sharp Hanger. One Chokidar is also kept reduction in the emoluments of the offi- on duty roun^ the clock in the Engine- cers. Government had considered ering and Transport Hangers. this aspect and have modified the re- fteeonunendatioiis of the Filial commendations of the Pillai Committee Committee as suggested by the Group of Bankers to provide that if the total emoluments 4262. SHRI M. K ALYAN ASU N D A- of an officer on fitment under the new RAM: Will the Minister of FINANCE scale of pay are less than the existing be pleased to state: total emoluments, the difference should be paid as personal allowance to be (a) the main recommendations of absorbed in future increments. The the Pillai Committee; Pillai Committee s Report also provides (b) whether the officers of the tor an option for the officers to elect banks have protested against the for the new scales or continue in the wrongful imposition of these recom- old scales of pay and allowances untill mendations resulting in sharp reduc- the turn of their present grade. The tion in their total emoluments; and implementation of the Pillai Commit- tee’s rcommndations. however, will re-

(sr) w r ^ ^ Sale of Aga Khan's Bungalow

% WlfapTf VRTF VT ‘J^WT adjusted as on 29th Ju ly 1977 w h ich was reported as Rs. 18,321.00 earlier, ^ii

(b) Funds disbursed advances to fim ttxw z %tn # fv n *nrt various officers of the Department tJWo : (<*) * (?t). were not subjected to periodical

»TTT> » r f sj^FTT 5 ^ ? T * 7 H T T ^ t fr w 't T checks because the advance slips were kept by the Cashier himself and fr^% fj »nn-qrrT t ? ^ ?r jttttiti i he did not bring them to the notice of the drawing and disbursing officer Periodical Cheeks refirdinf Funds till he wa ordered to hand over Disbursed in the Treasury of Central charge of the post in A pril, 1977. Excis* Collectorate, Delhi There were four Chief Accounts Offi- cers during the period April 1971 to 4266. SHRI MOHAN LAL PIPIL: October. 1977 who functioned a? draw- Will the Minister of FINANCE be ing and disbursing officers. pleased to refer to the reply given to The -'nvestigations conducted Unstarred Question No. 6486 on the by the Chief Controller of Accounts, 5th August, 1977 rgarding embezzle- reveal that the Cashier himself and ment of funds in the Treasury of Cen* in collaboration with other? was res- tral Excise Collectorate, Delhi and ponsible for misappropriation/em- state; bezzlement nf the funds. It also appears that the drawing and disburs- (a) whether the arr.ount of Rs. ing officers were lax in the matter of 18,321.00 which remained to be ad- carrying out periodical checks re- justed as on the 29th July, 1977 in the quired to be conducted under the case relating to the embezzlement of rules. Whether the responsibility for "funds in the treasury of the Central the lapses lies with any senior officer Excise Collectorate, Delhi, has since in the Collectorate, can be determined been reconciled and if .so, the details only after a full scale investigation thereof; is conducted by the Central Bureau (b) whether the funds disbursed to of Investigtion. various parties are subjected ^ any periodical checks; if so, the rame and ftW R fclT designation of the officers who were responsible for carrying out such 4 2 67. Vhllft H ft I checks and the circumstances under wTf wY? finrppr *r^tV w which the disbursements in question remained unreconciled; and

(c) whether any responsibility for ( v ) ir ftn rR lapse has been placed on any senior i m ^ ggarry officer of the Collectorate. if so. with what results? qrr fr*T7 T7 r f \ % ;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ( * ) £tf tfr

{• ft : ( f ) %frK (m ) 4270. SHRI RAJKESHAR SINGH: t flV T U.JJ<$niH STSfcT, 1 9 7 8 Will thq Minister of FINANCE be' pleased to state:

4268. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SH A - (c) the reasons for which such a RIEF: Will the Minister of COMo low amount was realised on account MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND of excise duty? COOPERATION be pleased t0 state:

(a) whether Government propose THE MINISTER OF STATE IN to se- up & Committee to look into THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI the interests of small producers of SATISH AGRAWAL): (a) During ready-made garments; and the last three crop years 1973-74, (b) if so, the details thereof? 1974-75 and 1975-76. the production of unmanufactured tobacco was about THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 4188, 2999 and 4424 lakh kgs. THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE respectively. AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) No, Sir. (b) and (c). A statement showing the effective rates of excise duty (b) Does not arise. leviable on unmanufactured tobocco EEC Attitude over the current tex- during the period from 1974-75 to® tile talks with third World countries date is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See N o. LT-1386/77]. The amount of excise 4269. SHRI M. RAM G O P A L duty realised during 1974-75, 1975-76 REDDY: Will the Minister of COM- and 1976-77 was Rs. 95.56,92.19 and MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND 104.16 crores respectively. It m ay be COOPERATION be pleased to state: mentioned that in the case of tobacco (a) whether Government’s atten- there is a system of warehousing with- tion has been drawn to EEC attitude out payment of Central Excise duty over the current textile talks with for a period which may extend to third World countries; and three years cr more. Further, Cen- (b) if so, the reaction of Govern- tral Excise duty is not leviable on ment thereon? tobacco w’hich is exported or which is used for agricultural purposes. Ac- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN cordingly. there would not be a direct THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE correlation between the production AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CCo of unmanufactured tobacco in a crop OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): year and the duty realised thereon. (a) Yes, Sir. Taking these factors into considera- (b) Two rounds of Lndo-EEC talks tion it would not be correct to say have taken place. The Agreement that the amount of duty realised was has not been finalised as jet. low . 159 Written Answer* DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers nJo

^ ® wJ(iw vtofa Pinh f?if 6T *ff wt% 1 *rr*r% t t 1 9 7 3 ^ v r N r f t JTTT IV in WTfFH BWT VT*TI v t »rf xftx 19 innwt tt, firrt* «RnT* 227 TW*ft 1975 *T 4271. W*T fajf : * t irf 1 v rfw m ?r«n fftr Jt«fr v ? *rr f r r wr^rr 2 0 *TTW if I 6 < T m t % : ir S3 W f W Sv- I rr^r (>:) ^TT t?Vr € ' *JT*HrfaT * *P=^ it HT* f7TT? TT faRTT fT «W 5 fa*ri«T 374 «TRhr

(m ) * m v * ^ % « fr r a f a T * « r Persons displaced doe to setting up ' fv *r n r v t w rz~ *n z *r wnh ^isA*! of Public Sector Indoatries in North Bihar frffjn 64 Hi*9 t t *T sift 4272. SHRI Y U V R A J: WU1 th e p W h *mnfr i^r t t *.m i *p t w^rnn Minister of FINANCE be pleased to m ; 1tTK state:

(*r) «rf?r * t . * t * p - ir * t t o ) whether large number of peo- * r i i f ft ? ple of North Bihar were displaced as a result of setting up of public sector vrfvFT w i *T*Tfr* jfii rtr industries there; Hdim ^ n w *rwt (it w fw (b) if so, the names of the public sector industries set up there and i n ) : ( t ) *TT^mrrr«rv=r when these were set up as also the ^ t r c t 3 7 4 m v w fr f: w tafa £r*riTr locations thereof and the number of vff % ^ firm *n a r a r » r persons displaced and the number of persons out of them who are still ■ w fw rr j m fo m Trpnr •rfrrf’T «Ft unemployed; q v t jt^w % tftafii fN^hnr s ttt ira t (c) whether an agreement was w f ignTt «r f w *r*iT i 1975 *r concluded with the displaced persons T*rir ^ fa*ft tft tt rrf imrrr by Government that preference would be Riven to these people in the mat- •TTCTW ?T^t ftPTT >TOT I ter of providing employment in these ( 9 ) x ttr (it), z r , f ^ T 7 P T T industries; 3 7 4 «F*r! 5t 197 S * ^ (d) whether stepmotherly treat- * t *Pffa 68.63 H 1^0 ^*0 ment is being meted out to these dis- c- placed people; and 4«iMi(nn *rrr t t ^ h 4 i «i fvvr *rr I (e) if so, the time by which they 7 m ac m ^ m wri f t would be provided with employment * h r f i m ^ * t j p r by Government and if they would not be provided with employment, the 1 « m w*i3fT K f w m 1 ( v'M reasons therefor? m u m % ■n^r * r m r j p t THE MINISTER OF FINANCE «rv wrmr fr* -* h t t ^ r t f r m AND REVENUE AND BANKING I ) • (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) to (e). The information is being obtained TfTWTW^FT, j TTW and will be placed on the Table of 20 fWi the House. l 6l Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers i(a

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4274. SHRI SA M A R GU HA: W ill WTftnu t o t snnfTv «rf?r wh: the Minister of COMMERCE AND wjwfmi «nmnr h rnwr »»wt («ft CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- y n r *i")uh ) : ( * ) i t ?r i TION be pleased to state: (a) fact? about the articles of essen- ( w ) «F3 TTJlfTffm 5>»Tf *[^RT tial commodities, particularly commo- % *

iFmvt wfc* % fT^r tfr (c) far-t.s about the articles of food t jfa v tTrTT ^T *t v * t fr I and other essential commodities, exports of which have been banned and (»r) «T t*«ft?^ T JJFtft % the value in terms of money involved thereabout7 h ti t, gfa?r % f ^ i r % ?P ft *FT 'stsi^'i WT^ iTTT 7*TVT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN STSTKPTT *t «PT^ % fa n sm?5T THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- fa* it ^ f i *r?fi fr «rnrRT w^t OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): % faq ift STO?ST ft * *T T* $ I Z tf (a) and (b). A statement showing exports of selected essential commo- % 1 0 ,0 0 0 *0iCl JJf *HJT ^t 5TH dities of food is laid on the Table of WTOT * £ 3MHW ifr WnNt I the House. 3o65 L .S —6 x63 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 164 (c ) Principal items exports of resings, milk, powder milk (skimmed which have been banned during 1977 or full cream) baby milk and steri- include; fresh vegetables and onions, lized liquid milk waste paper includ- linseed oil, cotton yam, niger seed, ing waste newspaper. The value of karadi seed, salt, softwood in log exports of these items during 1976-77 form, teekwood in log form, P.V.C. were around Rs. 62 crores.

Statemeat

Exhorts o f SelttUd Essential firms o f Food (Rs. LaVhO

SI. Commodities. *974-75 *975*76 I976-77 No.

i. C u rse it reals

(i) Birley uamillrd . 0 4 I • 2 3 7 1 6

(ih M^ize (corn^ unmillnt . 3-7 21 ' 3 *•5

(iii> Cereals unmilled, other than Wheat, rice, harlry Nrgl. 5 3 N cgl. and maize.

2. Pulses and flour thrrrof • 156-6 ^ 9* 5 23'75

3. Sugar 3397' 47475 ' 497*

4. (i) F:\-d vr^. oil

'ii) H .•dro^enatrd m! and fat <*f groundnut 4^* r> 104 • 2 ' 53 ‘ 3

5. (i) M ilk & crearn . 3*3 5 ° 25-6

(ii) Y ^ s . 4* * »• 1 86 5

• iii) Kish A fidi preparation*. f>f>, 7 12718 18025

f>. Groundnuts • * r>:>7 Cay 1 6574

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(W ) qfnrrrq’x ^ t r f%rTn'> ?f?T % wto qm $ ftrc* i m flfJTT wi ? fsRrtrT % farc* mrfwt wt mwmvm 165 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 166 1 | I fa R *TPTSft ft Business in Smuggled Gold in Chandni Chewk and Adjoining Area f^rr f, irft *nrft*ff % * q f * 4277. SHRI Y A SH W A N T BOROLE: Will the Minister of FINANCE be * R t£ tTHf rnNRT£ t" pleased to state: ft frofft^r ft ^fTTf^rr f^frtr irrft (a) whether his attention has been t » drawn to news-item in the Indian Express of 21st October, 1977 that in Prott/Lofls in Foreign Ezckaiife doe Chandni Chowk and the adjoining to Fluctuation In Indian Rupee streches of the area many a dens are running a flourishing business in 4276. SHRI D. A M A T : W ill the smuggled gold on a regular basis; Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (b) if so, his reaction to it; and state: (c) the steps being taken to check (a) the extent of profit made or this anti-national activity under the loss so far suffered by India in terms nose of the seat of authority? of foreign exchange due to the fluctuation in the rate of Indian rupee THE MINISTER OF STATE IN after the delinking of Indian Cur- THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE rency from pound Sterling; (SHRI SATISH AGRAWAL): (a) (b) whether there is any fall in and (b). Yes Sir. There is a press the value of rupee in relation to report to this effect. Chandni Chowk, rouble during the period; and Delhi, is one of the most important bullion market centres in North India (c) if so, what is the extent of fall? and many seizures of foreign gold were affected in that area in the past. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE The press report also indicates that AND REVENUE AND BANKING anti-smuggling measures across the (SHRI H. M. PATEL); (a) Linking Indo-Pakistan border have reduced the exchange rate of the rupee to the arrivals to a trickle. pound sterling was discontinued from (c) In order to curb smuggling, the 25th September, 1975 when India Intelligence and Preventive set-ups changed over to a system of fixing the have been alerted suitably to collect exchange value of the rupee in rela- intelligence regarding activities of tion to a basket of currencies of our persons suspected to be indulging in principal trading partners. While this smuggling of gold and to intensify has resulted in maintaining the ex- vigilance at airports and checks at change rate of the rupee in line with suspected places known for storage the movements in the currencies of and disposal of gold. Besides, anti- our main trading partners, it is inevit- smuggling measures including patrol- jtMe that in a world monetrv regime ling of vulnerable areas have been marked by floating of major curren- reinforced more effectively. cies. the exchange rate of the rupee is likely to be affected by fluctuations abroad. Since such movements are t o w q w f A r t P i w both up and down and since external ffTTT fwaTT TOT WHTTT transactions are carried at various points of time in many currencies, it 4 2 7 8 . * would be difficult to make any precise 5r t t fim ifcrY trf fTT estimate of the profit or loss since the change-over to the new system. far :

- (b) No, Sir. ( * ) *nr % sfrnr wtaT w f t (c) Does not arise. f^nr ^ c\ fn s*rmrfavr; 167 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 168

(W) 'TPTTT >PT fipRT (c) if so, the names of those mills; ' ' CN C\ and ^ 9 ^ ^ (d) the quantity expected to be (*r) % «7t t r : v t im ported?

ircftr ^ft ? t *rf ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE fw w « w r t o r * if* irfcn *r*rt AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- («* ?w«> qifo *rw) : (*) iw r sw OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): vff W whn ^ 3ft v t t a m n r (a) to (d). Jute Corporation of India have been authorised to import raw f*

Export of Hand Knitted Woollen f«W? W T TTWff litT Carpets («ft vpoxpionim): ( * ) f t 1 4281. SH RI M A D H A V R A O SC IN - DIA: Will the Minister of COMMERCE

AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- (%r) O T T Mlfafrlftiff 51TT OPERATION be pleased to state: JT5FIT, 1977 *T*TW TrWh^ST (*T«>)

(a) whether it is a fact that export ?ptt *recr« ' of hand-knitted woollen carpets have 5T^r ’srt %o ndfwi, shown record increase and as a result *sft sfto *rifvn 1 % nrfT^hr our country has secured top place amongst the countries exporting in this *rfWTT rT*TT Mt

I THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- nr vm ift % vtot, 1 .8 TION (SHRI ARIF BEG); (a) w t % * h m i Export of Indian hand-knitted woollen carpets has shown e record in- 3^ *rtr q fr? ^ | i crease and India is one of the HT+Tf ff3IT »RIT ^ I foremost exporters of carpets. (*T) ilxH I (b) It is estimated that the value of export of woollen carpets, rugs and druggets etc. in 1976-77 was Rs. 66.41 ffii from % firq Tnjtarpr crores, as against Rt>. 41.42 crores in wwrt it t t fwwfrw fft »rf spt rrtW 1975-76. S i

4233. ^ g in r : «pjt fira ifrw Hifif fwfim % *TWt fit I'Ml ®9T$T, (MWHT % ffa f^TRT rTOT f^RTO 4 2 82. WreVPT : *fptT % fatr TT^fhrpr «ffnr s m WT f l « S'TPT ^ f^TT snrnftr faafed »rf | tfrr

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( i t ) «rf* vtf *r$r fft *rf « q m r im m n R m t WT VR'T | ? I 171 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers

Bilateral Agreement with Canada THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE regarding Air India Services MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI SATISH AGARWAL): (a) 100 p er- 4284. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: sons have been detained since 1.4.1977 Will the Minister of TOURISM AND to 3.12.1977 pursuant to orders of CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: detention issued under the provisions (a) is it a fact that Air India is of Conservation of Foreign Exchange pressing the Government to initiate and Prevention of Smuggling Activi- talks with the Canadian Government ties Act, 1974 (COFE P O S A ). to draw up a bilateral agreement to provide the air line with frequencies (b) Search and seizure operations from Paris to Toranto for seven addi- were conducted in 271 cases between tional services across Atlantic; 1st April. 1977 and 31st October, 1977. (b) how far this Ministry has taken Assets of the value of Rs. 164.82 ]akhs up the Air India’s representation with were seized. the Canadian Government; and (c) whether the bilateral talks have (c) Government have launched a been initiated or not and when this three-pronged attack to check smug- bilateral agreement is expected? gling by strengthening the preventive and enforcement machinery, re- THE MINISTER OF TOURISM sorting to selective use of the provi- AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI sions of the COFE POSA Act, 1974 PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) to and by taking appropriate economic (c). Air India took up with Govern- measures to increase the availability ment the question of initiating, talks of the sensitive items at reasonable with the Canadian Government for rates. concluding a bilateral air services agreement to enable Air India to ope- An integrated approach is now berate to Toranto. The question was ing made by the Direct Taxes autho- taken up with the Government of rities to counter tax evasion through Canada who have not

(b) whether the proposal is being * r f w R R n f t qr?i«Tcre>^r ^ft*nft considered by the both countries; and T ift r r^ r s ^ f t t £ i (c) if so, the details thereof? *?'TTT

V ttr% < t 62,143.00 THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI 6,661.00 H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). The reference is presumably to the proposal (w) w fw qfafisRTsff k made by M/s. Kelvinator of India Limited to collaborate with MA. wfafVw fa=r^H ^ q^Tft *£*Ht Rybex, a Polish Government Fish- tfffr r 15 *r t ^TTjft qrr *nn ing Company. The proposal is for (T^fJ fsMWl i? tft t t ^; ^T ffTHH % the manufacture of marine products for an annual capacity of 8400 tonnes, fcrcfar tt stptr % 1 with an export obligation of not less than 60 per rent of the value of total catches. In the Indian com- wprfwir ftwR pany, the Polish Company will hold 40 per cent equity. Approval of the Government of India has been granted 4 2 8 S’ • « ft W T W ?TTTO : TOT for this collaboration. sftr ^wr fw m Jt^r ^ 3rn% Tt f^TT arrit fa :

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cord yam) is banned. In the case («) f t , «ft f® V>JPTT I T of certa’n inferior varieties of cotton like farcr wnr^imrtr^^3i5nftpT-f%5T Assan Commillas, Zodas, etc. which f*H f TT f%Trf7WrT inrift ? ^ have no spinnable values export is permitted under Open General Licence.

^WIHT fiW *nft Sale of Iron, Steel, Cement and Coal jftftwt): (t) *rtr (» ). to different Countries *t, ft 1 **r *r fafa* %=7 t t t wifaRT 4291. SHRI P. R A JA G O PAL NAIDU: Will tbe Minister of COMMERCE AND ftrar wi% renfar faifar ^nrr Jr CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- w z r T t T t * *5* »ft gfr-mfi TION be pleased to state: t % «ft% TT TT*t < **PT ?«TlfTrT TT% f T 5 TTTT (b) if so, the prices thereof? | fircir % *rv* Tt h t *f t *t q r e r ft»inr % ifPTTR TT W»l 1 8 0 ;TPJ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN VKJfPTT I THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- TION (SHRI ARIF BEG); (a) Yes, I q K t of Salt, Cotton yarn and Cotton Sir. to Nepal (b> The prices at which exports are <290. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU made differ from destination to desti- Wffl the Minister of COMMERCE AND nation, depending upon the inter- CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA national market situation, competition TION be pleased to state: fared y>y an item in the country of import and the sea freight involved. (a) whether Government have deci- It would not be in the com m ercial ded to export salt, cotton yarn and cer- interests of the country to disclose the tain types of cotton to Nepal; and export prices.

(i> State Government wanted assistance Regarding Salt> Yes. Sir. to construct 3-Star Hotel on the side of Hussain Sagar at Hyderabad; and (ii) Regarding Cotton Yam:—A quantity of 500 MT has been allowed (b) if so, whether the Government to be exported upto 31-12-1977. has given assistance?

(Irj) Regarding certain types of cot- THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND ton:— The export regime mentioned in CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- vepiy to (b) applies. SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) No, Sir. Andhra Pradesh State Government has (b) Export of salt to all countries not asked for any assistance to con- f icept Nepal is banned. As regards struct 3-Star Hotel on the side of cottffi yarn, its export in all varieties Hussain Sagar at Hyderabad. gad in all counts (except folded cotton j w n of 3 ply And higher ply and tyre (b) Does not arise. 177 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1699 (SAKA) Written Answers 178

L ou s and advances granted by advised to improve their credit deploy- Nationalised Banka ment so as to have a credit: Deposit ratio of at least 60 per cent in their 4294. DR. HENRY AUSTIN: rural and semi-urban branches by the SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: same date. Reserve Bank of India have also advised the banks to charge Will the Minister of FINANCE be concessional rates of interest on term pleased to state: loans to small scale industry and to agriculture for minor irrigation and (a) the total loans and advances land development and for Dairy Farm- granted by the nationalised banks ing, Poultry, Fisheries, Horticulture from April, 1977 to end of November, etc. and direct individual loans not 1977; exceeding Rs. 2500 each to ‘small farm- (b) the names of the persons and ers’, granted after January 1, 1978. the business industrialist to whom (e) A statistical reporting system for this loan was granted; collection of data relating to appli- (c) whether any directive was issu- cations for loans pending with the ed to the nationalised banks for modi- branches is yet in a formative stage. fication of laws in granting the loan;

(d) if so, the details of the changes; vt wmm it f * vt w r w t and U W l fiR l VRTRT IRFHf % (e) how many applications are WWW Vt IHHfa pending w.th these nationalised bank* for granting loans for the next year or 4295- : TOT this year? f i w ®r#r ^ f ’TT f a : THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (w ) TT WTqrd (SHRI 11. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). STOTT T O f«pTT STM Id Firm and detailed data regarding deployment of bank credit during the % eqf

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4 2 9 8 * it 5IT% ‘t-i iui *itc 3pF^t (a) whether Government would T7-*RS 3TRt ^ ) like to impose ban on the export of food items and essential raw mate- (* ) qfa ft, ?ft WT *Tf gfNfs’^cT rials like sugar, raw cotton, rice, hides v& % fas *tf «n^n^t *t »if $ fa and skins, iron ore, iron and steel, 3** qf<«ll*H**M *fte 5T *2 ; cement, fruits and vegetables and meat; (n) wt fnrtf t v vt gm* (b) whether exports of such items sr?r t fa *n^f wo; *ftr «rfn*F would be allowed only in case 183 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 184

availability of domestic surpluses; made through their rural and semi- and urban branches and that at least 1/Srd of the total advances under the scheme (c) if so, the policy of Government are given to members of the Scheduled in this' regard? Castes and Scheduled Tribes. In order to enlarge the coverage by banks in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN rural areas, banks will have to open THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND 4 offices in unbanked rural centres to CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be able to open 1 office each in a (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) to (c). There metropolitan/port town and banked is already ban on the exports of vege- centre. Banks have also been advised tables (including onionns), raw cotton, to ensure that each unbanked com- hides & skins raw. The supply posi- munity development block in the tion in regard to iron ore is comfort- country is provided with a bank office able. As regards other items there is by the end of June 1978 48 Regional no proposal to ban the exports. But Rural Banks have been set up by the their exports are regulated keeping in Government, specially to meet the view their availability and domestic credit requirements of the sm;>ll/inar- demand. ginal farmers and other weaker sections of the rural population. Credit Facilities to Small Farmers by Nationalised Banks Guidelines for Opening of Branches by Nationalised Banks 4300. SHRI SUKHENDRA SINGH: Will the Minister of FINANCE be 4301. SHRI B. K. NA1R: Will the pleased to state: Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have issued any directive to the nationa- (a) whether Government have lised banks to see that the people in evolved any guidelines in regard to villages particularly small farmers the opening of branches by nationalis- enjoyed credit facilities with a view ed banks; to changing the socio-economic condition in the country-side; and (b) whether Government are aware (b) if so, the details thereof? that several branches of banks are being opened within short distances of each other even in small towns THE MINISTER OF FINANCE entailing colossal waste of resources AND REVENUE AND BANKING and effort; and (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). Keeping in view the primacy of the (c) whether any restraint is to be development of rural areas. Govern- enforced in such extension activities ment have asked the public sector while at the same time encouraging banks to deploy about 60 per cent of expansion of facilities to the maxi- the deposits mobilized through their mum to remote regions in the country- rural and semi-urban branches in these side? areas itself. The Government has also asked the banks to ensure that by M arch, 1979, 331 per cent o f their THE MINISTER OF FINANCE total advance* should be made to the AND REVENUE AND BANKING priority and neglected sectors includ- (SHHI H. M. P A T E L ): (a) W hile ing agriculture. Under the Differ- selecting places for branch opening, ential Rate of Interest Scheme, banks banks have been advised to give have been asked to ensure that at priority to centres in unbanked com- least 2/3nl of their total advances are munity development blocks/block haad- 185 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers j S6 quarters and districts/tribal areas Removal o f Wide Disparities in the where the population coverage of rural rates of Commodities Supplied to qnd seini-urban branches is relatively U.S.A., U.S.S.R and European poor. Banks have also been advised Countries thai while drawing up their branch 4302. SHRI B. K. NAIR: W ill the expansion programmes, they should Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL give priority to centres identified as SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be growth centres by the State Govern pleased to state: ment. (a) the prices realised in terms of (b) and (c). Instances of branches rupees per unit of export of commo- of banks being opened in close proxi- dities like tea, coffee, cashewnut, Coir mity have occurred in certain localities and Corn products, etc. to countries of urban/metropolitan/port towns, like U .S.A., U.S.S.R. and European mainly due to commercial importance Countries during the past five years; and business potential in these locali- and ties and paucity of suitable accom- (b) what steps are being taken to modation at these centres. To curb remove the wide disparities, where- this tendency, Reserve Bank has sti- ever they exist in the rates? pulated that, in residential localities THE MINISTER OF STATE IN in Metropolitan/Port Towns and THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND urban centres, banks should maintain CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- a minimum distance of 400 metres from TION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) A the nearest existing branch. In other Statement is laid on the Table of the localities also banks have been advised House. not to open branches in a building (b) By and large the average Unit which has another branch functioning value realisation does not differ sub- in or opposite or adjacent to it. stantially from one country to another To ensure that the banks open more because the prices offered by the im- branches at unbanked rural centres. porting countries for particular items Reserve Bank has stipulated that are determined by a combination of beginning with January 1, 1977, a bank factors viz., quality of the product, will have to open 4 branches at un- terms of contract, timing of exports, banked rural centres to be entitled mode of payment, nature of demand to open a branch each at a metro- and supply situation at that particular politan and a banked centre. time.

Statement

"Average I 'nit %ya}ue for FxPorti (F.O.P.' ”

SI. No Commodity Country' Unit *972-73 >973-74 *974-75 *975-76 >976-77

i 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 i . TEA t R*. P. Kg.

U.K. 7-79 6.98 7.68 8.38 10.13

U .S .A . . 7.°9 7.4* 8.39 10,83 *2.59 U.S.S.R. 8.19 8.70 12. 28 12.43 >3.36

W. Germany 10.50 >1.94 14.80 16.51 15. 78 a. COFFEE: Rs. P. Kg.

U. K. . 7.29 >>•94 10.6a i 3.°3 22. CO

U.S.A.. 6.39 8.10 8.30 10.27 23. 70 187 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Antwert 188

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t U. S. S. R. 5.18 16.90 10.68 10.90 ao.90

W. Germany . 8.5a >4.73 IO. 19 10.91 96.70

3.' CASHEW KERNELS: R*. P. Kg.

U. K. . «o.39 •3.67 »5.9<> 17.82 91.91

U.S.A. . 10.78 •3.89 *7. *7 17.03 *1.09

U. S. S. R. . 9.98 *4-7* *8.33 *7.37 18.76

W. Germany 8.03 ••.44 13.00 18.81 18.44

4. COIR 4 COIR PRODUCTS: Rs. P. T.

U. K. . 3641 596' 5*24 6807 6800

U.S. A. . 293a 3‘98 4000 4976 5333

U. S. S. R. 3787 j' 4° 53 &> 6302 VJ*>

W. Germany 309. > 3a65 4524 5955 5500

Non : Avcngr unit value of export! has been derived by dividing value by quantity.

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(a) total paid up capital of M/s. *972 • • • 25; 5 Cadbury India Limited, a foreign multi National firm operating in >973 • • 96*7 India, as in 1948 and 1976; 1974 • • *5-5 (b) profits earned by the company >975 • • 39 9 year-wise from 1960-61 to 1976-77; >976 . (c) total remittances made by the • 4 » * company under each head, year-wise, from 1970-71 to 1976-77; (c) Except in 1973 when the com. pany remitted Rs. 9.6 lakhs as divi- (d) whether the company had been dend, no other remittance was made charged with violation of the provi- during the period. sions of Foreign Exchange Regulation Act, and if so, what are the details; (d) No, Sir.

(e) what action if any has been (e) Does not arise. taken against the company; and (f) No. Sir (f) whether the Government is considering to put a curb on the re- Discouragement to Small Savings by mittances by the company? Grindl&ys Banks THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING 4305. SHRI JYOTIRM OY BOSU: (SHRI II. M. P A T E L ): (a) The paid Will the Minister of FINANCE be up capital of M/s. Cadbury India pleased to state: Limited was Rs. 3.24 iakhs and Rs. 12.96 (a ) whether it is a fact that as a lakhs respectively in 1948 and 1976. result of adoption of practices for The profits earned bv the com- discouraging small savings, Grindlays pany are as follows: rSank have rendered surplus substantial number of their staff; Profit (b) if so, whether the functioning W a r after lax (Rs. in laMiO ul Grind]ays Bank has been according to the projected views of Govern- ment and the Reserve Bank of India; 1960 . fi-7 and vc) what steps Government pro- 1961 . io *6 pose to take to remedy the situation toGa . 8-3 so as to encourage small savings in the country keeping in view the 1063 . aUiiude of Gridiays Banking. 1964. itr 9 THE MINISTER OF FINANCE <965 1V 9 AND REVENUE AND BANKING 1966. 16* 3 (SHRI H. M. P A T E L ): (a) While the number of Savings Bank Accounts in 14- o 1967 • its offices in the Eastern Region are i960 19 a reported to have come down from 1,53,600 from end December, 1976 to 1969 . a6‘« 1.46,000 as at the end o f June, 1977,

3066— L S— 7. 195 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 196

showing a decline o f 7600 account* serve Bank of India have reported the Grindlays Bank has contended that that according to the information fur- the main factors determining the num- nished to them by the Grindlays Bank, ber of their employees are the volume the Grindlays Bank has raised mini- of their business and the number of mum balances for opening Saving transactions. The Reserve Bank have Bank Accounts and has stipulated reported that no retrenchment of staff Rs. 2500 as the minimum balance for has been made by the Bank. opening fixed deposit accounts. How- ever, according to the information (b) and (c). Neither the Government furnished by the Bank to the Reserve nor the Reserve Bank have issued any Bank it does not levy any penalty directions to the Grindlays Bank re- charges for violation of rules regard- garding the operations ol Savings ing operations of Savings Bank Ac- Bank Accounts. However, as the counts or Savings Deposit Accounts rules of the Bank are stricter than nor does it levy any incidental charges those of other banks and could give on Savings Bank Accounts. In respect rise to an impression that it is de of Savings Deposit Accounts, the Bank s liberately trying to serve the affluent rules provided that if the balance in to the exclusion of the common man. an account falls below Rs 250 during the Reserve Bank have recently ad- a half year, it m ay levy Rs 10 or more vised the Bank’s Regional Director of as incidental charges in that account South East Asia to review the position for that half year depending on the work involved in maintaining the ac savings Bank and Fixed Deposit count. As regards postal charges, the Accounts in Grindlays Bank Reserve Bank have reported that they have no information whether such 4306. SHRI JYOTIRM O Y BOSU charges are recovered from the Bank*< Will the Minister of FINANCE be customers but that A is generally the pleased to state: practice of banks to recover actual (a ) w hether it is a fact that the postal charges incurred by them on Grindlays Bank, which functions behalf of their customers. under the overall directions of the (b) and »c). The Reserve Bank has Reserve Bank of India, has driven not issued any directions to Grindlays away small customers by raising the Bank regarding operations of Savings minimum balances maintainable in and Fixed Deposit Accounts. However, Savings Bank and Fixed Deposits Ac- as the rules of the Bank are stricter counts and also by resorting to method than those of other banks and could of charging exorbitant penal charges give rise to an impression that it is from small depositors for slightest deliberately trying to serve the affluent infringement of the rules and by to the exclusion of the common man. increasing incidental postal charges Reserve Bank have recently advised etc. which are realisable from the the Bank s Regional Director of South custom ers; East Asia to review the position. (b) if sot whether it is in violation of the directions given by the Reserve Remittances by various Foreign Cont- Bank of India as a condition prece- rolled Companies dent for their carrying on business in India; and 4307. SHRI JYOTIRM OY BOSU: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased (c) what remedial steps the Gov- to state: ernment propose to take in this (a) original and current paid up regard? capital of the following foreign-controlled companies viz. Union Carbide, THE MINISTER OF FINANCE ITC, Hindustan Lever, Cadbury India, AND REVENUE AND BANKING Colgate-Palmolive and National and

(b) total amount remitted by each administrative expenses, year-wise, these companies under each head; from 1970 to 1976? viz. profit, dividend, interest, royalty THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING technical fee and head office and (SHRI H. M. P A T E L ):

(a) Original and Gurrrnt Paid up Capital of Foreign Controlled Companies.

Date o f Original Current paid- Name of the Company I ncorporation share up share capital Remark* in India capital as on 31-12-76

Rs. Rs.

l. I'ninn Carliirlc India I .id., (lalculta 20,040 18.42.75,000

2. I.jT. C, Ltd., Calcutta, . 24-8-1910 4.16,00.000 jP.( r.c o.( co

3. Hindustan l.» vei Ltd.. lion-hay * 7- > f -*933 28,00,000 16,85.29.550

4. Cadbury India Ltd.. Bombay 10-7-1948 3,24,100 12,96,100

5. Colgate-Palmolive India Pvt. Ltd., Bombay ‘ 3-9- *937 1,50,000 1.50,000 ft National and Cjrindlays Bank . It is a Branch, hence no equity.

b; Remittances m i.l* by F* »rei«jn-(. .u:m<'llrd companies from 1970 to 1976.

In Rupees)

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1. 1 ni

1 *#7* -7 1 99,04,088 2-S4.348

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*972-7:* 1,23,16,670 28.35.022 1,50.836

*97 J“74 1,20,32.676 2,18,639

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3. Hindustan Lever Ltd. 1970-71 • 1,29,22,9^6 • « • • 1971-72 73 >® 7'°37 ..

1972-73 . 1,45.66863 .. 1973-74 • 6,42,136

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ftm *wro*r if th* iWt — Nagpur will be a halt on the daily Bombay/Calcutta service wftw fwr iwtwr) : (*r) % (*r). (IC-175/176). "jTWTC TO frrvm faff , — Calcutta-Patna-Calcutta (IC- fipT wromft wft irota 207/208) thrice a week intro-

4309. SHRI D. D. DESAI; W ill the — Increase in frequency to Jabal- pur and Raipur on IC-469/470 Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL from two times a week to three AVIATION be pleased to state: times a week. (a) whether Air India and Indian — On Calcutta/Hyderabad/Ban- Airlines are working out schemes for gaiore (IC-269/270) from five extending their services as reported days a week to daily. in the Economic Times of 24th Novem- Xx>r 1077; and — On Delhi/Kathmandu (IC 413/ (b) if sot the details thereof? 414) from thrice weekly to six days a week (introduced with THE MINISTER OF TOURISM effect from 15th November AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI 1977). PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a ) Yes, Sir. — IC-137/138 will operate daily on the sector Bombpy/Keshod/ (b) The details are as follows: Porbander.

INDIAN AIRLINES — Daily halt at Kanpur or service IC-411/412. The plan projections of Indian Air- lines are still under finalisatton. In (iri) Replacement . of Turbo-prop by the meanwhile, with the introduction Boeing-737 aircraft of 3 new Boeing 737 aircraft, Indian Airlines services are proposed to be — On Bombay/Hyderabad route augmented as follows: (1C-117/118) the ten frequencies per week with the Cara- <1) New Services velle Will be replaced by twice daily service with Boeing-737. — Calcutta/Jorhat/Dtbrugarti/Cal- cutta (IC-213/214)-thrice a — Calcutta/Agartala (IC-235/236) week. Boeing-737 to replace the F-27. — Delhi/Nagpur/Hyderabad/Nag- — Bombay / Karachi (IC-131/J32) pur/Delhi (1C 516/511) to ope- Boeing-737 to replace the Cara- rate daily. velle. 303 Written Answtrt DECEMBER 16, 19^7 Written Atuw trt J 204

— Bombay/Bhavnagar (IC-135/ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 136) Boeing-737 to replace HS- AND REVENUE AND BANK- 748. ING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): fa) to (c). The information will be plac- — Tnvandrum/Colombo (IC-507/ ed on 508) Boeing-737 to replace HS- the Table of the House as soon as it 748. is collected.

— Bombay / Mangalore / Bombay (IC-159/160) Boeing 737 to re- Payment of Income tax by film stars place HS 748. 4311. DR. V. A. SEYID M U H AM - — Bombay/Goa/Bangalore (IC- MAD: Will the Minister of FIN- 523 / 524) B oeing-737 to be re- ANCE be pleased to state: placed bv Caraveiie. (a) the number and names of the AIR-INDIA film actors and actresses and the film artistes who have not deposited Capacity expansion and additional income tax dues for the assessment aircraft aquisition programme tor year 1976-77; and the Sixth and Seventh Five Year Plans are being drawn up. During the (b) the details of the stepn taken period for which the plans are cur- by Government to realise the income rently being drawn up, Air-India en- tax dues from them? visages the opening of a new route to the United States via a continental THE MINISTER OF FINANCE gateway, commencement of operations AND REVENUE AND BANK to Canada and the commencement of ING (SHRI H. M. P A T E L ): (a . operations to Lusaka (Zambia >. Air- and (b). The requisite informauon India also examining the feasibility \s if not readily available; it is being of opening a new route, across the collected and will be laid on the Table Pacific during the seventh plan period of the House as soon as possible.

Refund Claims of Income Tax by Air strips in Kolhapur Individuals. Firms and Limited Com- panies in Ahmedabad and Calcutta 4312. DR. V A. SEYID MUHAMMAD; 4310 DR. V. A. SEYID MUHAM- SHRI R S MANE: MAD: Will the Minister of FIN- ANCE be pleased to state: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased (a) the names and addresses of the to state. individuals, firms and limited companies in Ahmedabad and Calcutta (a) what is the progress of cons- who have claimed the refund of truction work of airstrips in Kolha- income-tax amounts of over Rs 1 lakh pur; and during the years 1975-78. 1976-77 and so far during the year 1977-78, (b) when is the work likely to be com pleted? (b ) the amount of interest payable in respect of these claims and the rate at which interest is calculated thereon; THE MINISTER OF TOURISM and AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI FURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) (c) the particulars as aforesaid in and (b). The existing airstrip at respect of (a) as per the records of Kolhapur is suitable for operations the Department? with light aireraft. The Civil Aviation 205 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1809 (SAKA) Written Answer? 206

Department have no plans, at present, (d) The informer has so far been for development of the airstrip, for paid Rs. 2,700. The admissibility of operations with bigger aircraft further reward will be considered as soon as the extra tax attributable to the information furnished by the In- Seizures made by Income Tax Autho- form er is realised. rities from the residence of Shri Chiranji Lai of New Delhi Bombay-Jamnagar Flight Curtailed 4313. DR. V. A. SEYID MUHAM- MAD: 4314 . SHRI VINODBHAI B. SHRI ARJUN SINGH SHETH: Will the Minister of BHADORIA: TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (a) w hether it is a fact that one flight from Bombay/Jamnagar has (a) whether raids were conducted been curtailed; at several places in Delhi. Aligarh and other places by Income Tax au- (b) if s°» whether Government are thorities in May, June and August, aware that this has caused discon- 1973 01 the basis of information tent in Jamnagar particularly this given by Shri G. S. Basii of New Delhi; being a city having developed industries and having three defence units, *h) whether an amount of Rupees and Two lakhs Twenty thousand was (c) whether in view of (b) above, roized from the residence of Shri Chiranji Lai of New Delhi; Government propose to restore the flight and if so when?

(Vi whether his assessment hai been reopened and completed; and THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI (d^ whether the informer was paid FURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a' his due reward 0 to (c). The service which had to be curtailed due to reduction in aircraft resources because of industrial unrest THE MINISTER OF FINANCE Is being restored very shortly. AND REVENUE AND BACK- ING (SHRI H. M. P A T E L ): (a> Appeals pending in Income Tax and (b). Following information given Department by Shri G. S. Bassi, search and seizure operations were conducted in 4315. SHRI VINODBHAI B. December, 1973 at the premises of SHETH: Will the Minister of FIN- Shri Chiranji Lai and others of the ANCE be pleased to state: Ansai Group. These resulted in seizure of c.ish of Rs. 2.2 lakhs, including (a) how many appeals were pend- Rs. 4C.000 from the residence of Shri ing in Income Tax Department at Chiranji Lai, along with a large num- the end of June, 1977; and ber of books of account and documents. (b) how many appellate Commis- sioners were appointed as direct re- (c) Assessments for the assessment cruits and what background know- years 1970-71 and 1971-72 w ere re- ledge is expected of them for deliver- opened in the case of Shri Chiranji ing judgments over very intricate Lai. These have been completed. taxation laws? 207 Written A m w r i DBTBMBBB 14, 1977 Written Antxoen 208

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE THE MINISTER O f STATE IN AND REVENUE AND BANKING THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI R M. PATEL): (a) (SHRI SATISH AGRAWAL): (a) and (b). 2,80,102 appeals were pend- The required information as on 1st ing in the Income-tax Department at November, 1977 is as under:— the end of June, 1977. Appeals pendng with Appellate There are at present no Appellate Collector* of Customs. . . 11,70a Commissioners of Income-tax. The appeals are heard by Appellate Assis- Appeals pending with Appellate tant Commissioners of Ihcome-tax. Collectors of the Central Fdtcise 6,440

T o t a l . 18,147 Appointments to posts of Assistant Commissioners of Income-tax are not made by direct recruitment. Out of Appeals pending vsith O ntral 190 Assistant Commissioners present- Board of Excise & Custom* ly posted as Appellate Assistant Com- missioners of Income-tax, 131 were Customs casts . . . 2,701 recruited directly as Income-tax Gr.iftW Excise oases . . . 1,621 Officers (Group ‘A’). Income tax Offi- cers (Group ‘A’ ) with a minimum service cf 8 years in the grade are eligi- T o t a l . . +.322 ble to be considered for promotion as Assistant Commissioners of Income tax. Promotions to these posts are (b) Upto 30-9-1975, one Member of made by selection on merit. This is the Board was solely concerned with considered to be sufficient to ensure disposa’ of appeals, both on the cus- that officers appointed as Assistant toms and Central Excise side, Conse- Commissioners, including those posted quent on the retirement of one of the as Appellate Assistant Commissioners Members on 30-9-1975 the appeal of Income-tax, are adequately equip- work was reallocated. At present each ped to perform the functions assigned of the Members of the Board is en- to them. trusted with the disposal of appeals in addition to his other duties.

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431G. SHRI V1NODBHAI B. 4317. SHRI VINODBHAI B. SHETH: Will the Minister of FIN- SHETH- Will the Minister of FIN- ANCE be pleased to state: ANCE be pleased to state: (a) whether there is regular and (a) how many appeals are pending systematic pilferage from the Cus- before the Collectors of Customs at toms Godowns; various Collectorates and how many appeals are pending before the Board (b) the quantum of pilferage from in regard to "Customs and Central the Cuctsoms godowns in respect of Excise cases; and goods confiscated or detained by the Customs authorities; and (b ) hew many Appellate Authori- ties are entrusted with the disposal (c) what is the total value of such of these appeals at the Central Board pilfered goods *s on 30th September, level? 1977? 209 \Vritten Answer* AORAH A Y AN A 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 210

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i d ) is it a fact that most of these («ft : ( t ) q ^ r stocks of processed mica are not e x - ?TPR % *HPT il portable; a r.d Jr h 21 (e) if so. what Government propose r< n f 1 srrr HseTlvd'T to do with these stocks?

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Better ligbttnf a n m iem n t at In- Seventh Finanee CammiariOD ternational Airport* for Plane Tending 4328. SHRI R. K. MHALGI: Will 4827. SHRI PRASANNBHAI the Minister of FINANCE be pleased MEHTA: to state the progress made in their SHRI NATWARLAL B. assignment so far by the Seventh PARMAR: Finance Commission? Will the Minister of TOURISM AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: AND REVENUE AND BANK- (a) whether it is a fact that Union ING (SHRI H. M. P A T E L ): The Government is considering to have Seventh Finance Commission, accor- better lighting for plane landing at ding to its terms of reference, is not the four international airports in the required to furnish to Government country; any report on the progress made in its assignment, until the Commission (b) if so, the details of the same; submits its Report which is due by the end of October, 1978. It is also not (c) the total expenditure involved; usual for Government to call for any and report of the progress made by such statutory Commissions, whose function (d) what steps are being taken to is of a quasi-judicial natuure. check the air accidents which are also increasing for the last six months? Guidelines to about Gorenr m ent's Policies THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI 4329. SHRI PR A SA N N B H A I MEH- PURUSHOTTAM KAUSH1K): (a) TA: Will the Minister of FINANCE to (c). The International Airports be pleased to state: Authority of India have formulated (a) whether it has been urged that schen??s in two phases, for moderni- new Bank Directors of the nationalis- sation of visual lighting aids at the ed banks should be given clear guide- four international airports. Under lines about the Union Government’s phase I. approach lighting conforming policies on vital issues not only to- to Category I and VASI at both ends make them effective but also to en- hjvo already been provided on the sure uniformity in the banking sys- mcMi mrvvavs as well a" sim p’c ap- tem; proach lighting on the secondary run- ways. Old fittings, cablcs and control (b) if so, whether any directive or equipment are being replaced. Thpre guidelines have been issued by the are plans to provide Category II new Government; 1 il*htii!" at Delhi and Bombay air- (c) if so, the details thereof; ports. (d) whether he has also asked these The estimated cost of phase I which banks to take over the sick units in is likely to be completed by 1979 is Rs. the country; and 157 lakhs. Phase II, which is likely (e) if not, the reasons for not issu- to be completed by 1982-83 is esti- ing any guidelines in this regard? mated to cost Rs. 720 lakhs. THE FINANCE MINISTER AND- (d ) There \s no increase in the air REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI accidents as stated. In fact, there H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). has heen no fatal or major air acci The general superintendence, di- dent involving Indian foreign regis- rection and management of the* tered ah craft at the four international affairs and business of a nationalised* airport* during 1977. bank vest in their Board of Directors;. *19 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 220

The guidelines/directiofts/instmctions Raids conducted by Income Tax issued by the Government or the Authorities Reserve Bank on important policy matters are p aced by the individual 4331. SHRI K. L A K K A P P A : W ill banks before the Board of Directors the Minister of FINANCE be pleased Jo t their information. to state:

(d) and (e). No guidelines have been (a) the total raids conducted by the issued to the banks to take over the Income tax authorities for the last six sick units. However banks have been months and particularly in October advised to set up special cells at their and in N ovem ber, 1977; head offices and other important re- (b) whether in certain raids during gional offices to tackle various prob- the month of November, some docu- lems associated with sick industrial ments were found having foreign units. Besides, Instructions have been accounts; issued to banks to identify sick units and monitor performance of unit? (c) if so, how many firms industrial en joy inf! credit limits of rupees one houses and individual concerns were crore or more. Thev have been em- raided all over the States; powered to take remedial ration in (d) to what extent the articles and case of units showing siens of incipi- cash were unearthed; and ent Sickness. Further, it has been i n- joined upon banks to start quick nur- (e) whether the present Government sing program m e in ca.se of sick units are not very s^riou- of conducting any which arc potentially viable. raids on large scale?

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Exemption of Printing Machinery from Revolving Fund for Indian Joint Ven- Import Duty tures and Turnkey Projects Abroad ' i 4334. SHRI M. RAM G O P A L RED- 4332. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL RED- DY: Will the Minister of COM- DY: Will the Minister of FINANCE MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND be pleased to state: ^ COOPERATION be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Government has (a) whether FICCI has suggested been urged by INES to exempt print- the creation of a ‘Revolving Fund’ for ing machinery for newspapers from financing Indian joint ventures end the levy on import duty; and turnkey projects abroad; and (b) if so, the reaction of the Govern- (b) if so, the reaction of the Gov- ment thereto? ernment thereto? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (SHRI SATISH AGRAWAL) (a) (a) and (b). Though the idea of a Yes, Sir. A representation was re- Revolving Fund for financing Indian ceived in April 77 with a request inter Joint Ventures and Trunkey Projects ali;* for reduction in in'.port duty on Abroad w*as suggested at the time of printing machinery for newspapers a workshop on Indian Joint Ventures industry from the present level of held at New* Delhi on 15th N ovem ber. 40 per cent ad valorem to 10 per cent 1977, no detailed proposal in this read valorem. gard has been received by the Gov- ernment. (b) No decision has been taken as yet. The matter is still under exa- Adoption of resolution by National mination. Development Counri! to Deofficialise Cooperative Movement

Financial Participation in Joint Ven- 4335. CHAUDH URY BRAH M PE R - tures Abroad KASH: Will the Minister of COM- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND 4333 SHRI M. RAM G O P A L RED- COOPERATION be pleased to state: DY: Will the Minister of COM- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND (a) whether it is a fact that the Na- tional Development Council has adopt- COOPERATION be pleased to state: ed a Resolution in 1958 to de-officialise (a) whether there is a proposal with the Cooperative Movement; the Government to revise its policy (b) whether any departure has been with regard to financial participation made from this decision of the N.D.C. in joint ventures abroad; and and if so, the reasons therefor: and

(b) if so. the details thereof? (c) the steps taken or proposed to be taken by Government in this re- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN gard? THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (a) and (h). Yes, Sir. The guide- AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- lines relating to Indian investment in OPERATION (SHRI KRISHNA KU- joint ventures abroad are under re- MAR GOYAL): (a) The National view. A final decision has not yet Developm ent Council at its meeting been taken. held in November, 1958 considered 223 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Aniwe’ * 22^ inter alia the question of simplifica- (b) The salient features of the pac- tion of cooperative law and proce- kage of schemes are to consolidate the dure and observed that “Many of the Cooperative movement and extend existing procedures impede the deve- the *>enelits of Cooperatives to the lopment of cooperation as a popular Weaker Sections of the society; distri- movement in which small groups and bution of essential commodities to the communities can function freely and consumers in rural as well as urban organise their work and activities areas; provision of consumption and along cooperative lines without ex- agricultural loans for the development cessive official interference and red of agriculture; and development of tape. The restrictive features of the industrial Cooperatives and housing existing cooperative legislation should activities. Rural credit cooperatives be removed.” are also being re-organised into viable units. During the first three years of India, almost all the State Govern- the 5th Five Year Plan an expendi- ments appointed special committee? ture of Rs. 38.34 lakhs has already or referred their cooperative laws to been incurred. During the year State Cooperative Councils for consi- 1977-78 an outlay of Rs. 46.00 lakh has deration and have modified their co- been provided and an outlay of Rs. operative legislation either by enact- 59.09 lakh has been proposed by Delhi ing a new act or by amending their Administration for the year 1978-79 existing legislation. under the state sector.

A few State cooperative laws do however contains provisions empower- ing the Registrar or the State Govern- Setting up of a Panel of Ministers to ment to rescind or to annul the reso- promote Exports lutions of the general body or the managing committee of cooperative 4>; :7 SHRi ANNASAHEB P. SHIN- societies. DE: W.Il the Minister of COM- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND Planned Package of Schemas to COOPERATION txr pleased to state: strengthen Cooperative Sector in tks Union Territory (a > whether Government have set up a panel of Ministers to promote ex 4'I* CHAUDHURY BRAHM PER ports; KASH: Will the Minister of COM- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND (b) wh:it would be the functions of COOPERATION be pleased to str.te: the panel; and (a) whether it is a fact that the c whether Government propose to Deihi Administration has drawn up a ( ) review its decision in regard t > e x - planned package of schemes to strengthen and extend the cooperative sec- port of labour intensive commodities, tor in the Union Territory; particularly potatoes, onion and vegetables? (b) if so. the salient features there- o f; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ^c) the assistance being provided by THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE the centre to achieve the goal? AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Yes, Sir. A Cabinet Commitee on THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE Exports has been set up under the AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- Chairmanship of the Minister of Com* OPERATION (SHRI KRISHNA KU- morce and Civil Supplies and C oope- MAR GOYAL): (:a) Yes. S ir ration. 225 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 226

(b ) The functions of the Commit- Voltun* of Trade between India and tee will be to keep under review all Pakistan aspects of export promotion and in 4338. SHRI A N N ASAH EB P. SHIN- particular: — DE: Will the Minister of COM- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND (i) to consider and take decisions COOPERATION be pleased to state: on all matters relating to export (a) what is the present volume of production and export promotion; trade between India and Pakistan; and (b) whether there is a possibility of increasing the present level of trade; (ii) to consider policies and mat- and ters relating to establishment of (c) if so, to what extent? joint ventures abroad. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (c) Export Policy for such agricul- AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- tural commodities is kept under cons OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): tant review. Exports are permitted (a) The volume of trade between as and when supplies are available India and Pakistan in the recent years after meeting domestic requirements. has been as under:—

(Value in Rs. Lakhs.)

»‘»7.V7t> »976-77 ,977-78 (April-Junt)

Kxjx>m * ftom IrMi.i 78 887 400

lni|x>rls 11 <»m PakiMan 2212 1.48 0.47

(b) Yes, Sir. (b) whether there is a possibility of increasing the present level of trade, (c) Efforts arc underway to in- and crease the level of trade between the two countries New items of exports (c) if so, to what extent? and imports are being identified. Faci- litut.on in the obtaining of visas, en- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN couragement through provision of in- THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE formation and assistance in provid- AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- ing contacts and in securing OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): nmtrac’s •’•re !hc* means being emp (a) Trade With China was resumed m p]ov«Vi achirvr this ‘ ive. The* April, 1977 after a lapse of about 15 target for 1977-78 of Indian exports years. Since then. Indian Public Sec- has been set at Rs 1018 lakhs. tor Agencies have concluded contracts with their Chinese counter-parts for Volume of Trdde between India and a total trade turnover of about Rs. 4 China crores.

4339 SHRI ANNASAHEB P SHIN- (b ) Yes^ Sir. DF: Will the Minister of COM- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND (c) While it is not possible to state COOPERATION be pleased to state: precisely the extent to which trade (a) what is the present volume of between India and China is likely to trade between Indi3 and China, expand, the situation is being kept 3066— LS— 8 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1877 Written Answers 228 constantly under review with a view (d) what steps Government have to exploring all avenues of trade ex- taken to settle this dispute and given pansion. the Employees the benefit under the Third Pay Commission basis? Joint Indo-Polish Industrial Ventures 4340. SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHIN- THE MINISTER OF TOURISM DE: Will the Minister of COM- AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PU- MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND RUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) A t COOPERATION be pleased to state: present, the only Labour Dispute pending in Hotel Ashoka. Bangalore per- (a) is there any proposal for joint tains to the demand for the revision Indo-Polish industrial ventures; and of Wages including DA Formula.

(b) if so, which are the specific (b) Yes, Sir, It is a fact that a Me- areas where such ventures are pro- morandum of Settlement under Sec- posed to be organised? tion 12(3) of the Industrial Disputes Act. 1947 was signed between the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Management and ihe two Unions THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE Bangalore Industrial Estate and Gene- AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- ral Workers Union (AITUC) and OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): Hotel Ashoka Employees Union (a) and (b). An Indian firm M/s. (INTUC). Kelvinator India Limited submitted a proposal for manufacture of marine ic) Yes, Sir. The employees of products in collaboration with a Hotel Ashoka. Bangalore went on polish firm M/s. Rybex. The proposal strike with effect frorr. 18 September, has since been approved by the Pro- I'.'TT afternoon to ■f*1 September, l!>77 ject Approval Board. afternoon. The employees went on strike only on the issue of Interim Labour Dispate in Hotel Ashoka, Relief and not for the non-fulfilment Bangalore of the settlement referred to above. (d) All the Disputes have been 4341. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN- amicably resolved between the Ma- DIT: Will the Minister of TOURISM nagement and the Employees of Hotel AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased Ashoka, Bangalore and on 9 Novem- to state: ber, ‘77 the Understanding has been (a) is it a fact that Labour Dispute reached with the employees on the in Hotel Ashoka at Bangalore is pend- various demands of the workers ex- ing since a long time creating discon- cept the question of further Wage Re- tent amongst the staff; view and enhancement of DA etc., which have been referred to the Wage (b) is it also a fact that a Memo- Review Committee set up by Govern- randum of Settlement was signed in ment on 5 August, 1977. April, 1977 under Section 12(3) of the Industrial Disputes A ct, 1947 b y the Appointment and service Conditions Management with the Employees o / Indian and Foreign Air Hostesses through Bangalore Industrial Estates in Air India and General Workers Union, Hotel Ashoka and Employees Union, Eng- 4342. DR. V A S A N T K U M A R P A N - ineering and General Workers As*/'' DIT: Will the Minister of TOURISM ciation unit Hotel Ashoka on their AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to various pending demands; state:

(c) is it a fact that the employees (a ) whether it is a fact that there went on 14 days Strike in September is discrimination in appointing air 1977 for non-fulfilment of this settle- hostesses in Air India between Indian ment by the Management; and and Foreign candidates; 239 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 230

(b) is it a fact that the Air India 1977 are lower than that of corres- Cabin Crew Association has complain- ponding months of the year 1976; ed against this discrimination between and Indian and Foreign Air Hostesses and (b) if so, the reasons thereof and different terms of agreements applied for the appoinment of Air Hostesses; the plans improve the position in the balance part of the year 1977-78? (c) is it a fact that the Indian Crew has been on 24 hours strike in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN November protesting against the wea* THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE pons in the passenger cabins; and AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- OPERATION (SHRI ARIF BEG): (d) what is in general the policy of (a) and (b). The monthly figures of Air India regarding appointment and exports fo r June and August, 1977 service conditions of Indian and have been higher whereas for the Foreign Air Hostesses and the demand month of July, 1977 were lower as of their association? compared to the corresponding months o f 1976. It m ay h ow ever b e THE MINISTER OF TOURISM stated that due to successive adjust- AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PU- ments reported by customs, the month- RUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and ly figures undergo revision. The cu- (b). There is no discrimination in mulative exports (including re-ex- appointing Air Hostesses of Indian ports) for the period April— August and Foreign nationality in Air India. 1977 provisionally amounted to The service conditions of foreign air Rs. 2.118 crore as against Rs. 1,880 hostesses and Indian air hostesses are crore in the comparable period last the same except where local laws re- year, a rise of about 13 per cent. quire ;hem to be diflerent. For example Flight/Flight Duty Time, rest Central Assistance to States intervals, lay over allowances and other working conditions are identical 4344. DR. V A S A N T K U M A R P A N - in the case of Foreign and Indian DIT: Will the Minister of FINANCE air hostesses. The difference is only he pleased to refer to the Col (2) of in respect of retirement age and con- the annexure of the reply given on tinuing in service after marriage. the 5th August, 1977 to Starred Ques- tion No. 794 regarding assistance to (b) Air India Cabin Crew Associa- States and state what portion of the tion have recently approached the Ma- figures mentioned therein is attribut- nagement to consider the possibilities able to each of the five principles re- of 1 aising the retirement age of ferred to in Para 1(b) of the answer Indian air hostesses to 58 years as in to the question. the case of Flight Pursers and also allow them to continue to work even after marriage. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (c) The Cabin Crew Association (SHRI H. M. PATEL): Allocations of went on a flash strike on 26th Octo- Central Assistance for State Plans ber, 1977 and not in N ovem ber, 1977. to the various States under the Gad- gil Formula were made for the period Decline in Export Figures for June- of five years from 1974-75 to 1978-79. August 1977 Out of these overall five-year allocations. suitable amounts were provided 4343. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN- for 1977-78. It will, therefore, not be DIT: Will the Minister of COM- practicable to attmept a precise MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND break-up of the allocations for 1977- COOPERATION be pleased to state: 78 on the basis of each of the five (a) whether exports figures for principles embodied in the Gadgil months o f June, July and August, Formula. *131 Written Answers DECEMBER It, 1977 Written A u u ert 232

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vre^Ht *rt ifiw % sfo- (i) Small scale units covered JTPT ir *qT5HT*T V aT^WTT under credit guarantee scheme/ and units promoted by technical entre- ^ I • preneurs. Lowering of Interest of Bank Loans (ii) Small scale units in specified Advanced to Small Scale Industry backward districts / areas. (iii) Small road transport opera- 4351. DR. B A LD E V PR A K A SH : tors. Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: This measure is likely to go a long (a) whether it is under considera- way in providing relief to small scale tion of the Government to lower the units and educated employed. interest of the Bank loans advanced Flight Schedule of Indian Air Lines to small scale industry and on small lonns advanced to unemployed educa- 4352. SHRI V A S A T SATHE: W ill ted young men to start business or the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL industry; and AVIATION be pleased to state:

(b) ig it in the notice of Govern- (a) whether Government are con- ment that with the present heavy rate sidering some changes in the flight of interest any new industry is un- schedule of Indian Airlines immedi- able to function? ately in near future;

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (b) if so, the details thereof; AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H M. PATEL): (a) and (b). (jc) whether the Indian Airlines Loans to small scale industries and authorities are considering means of the educated unemployed form a improving their air services to Nagpur part of the priority sector. Advances and planning a possible realigning of to small scale industries not exceed- some air routes for better operational ing Rs. 2 lakhs and covered by Credit and passenger convenience; and Guarantees Scheme for small scale (d) if so, details of the proposals industries are exempted from the mi- under consideration of the Air Lines nimum lending rate directive of Re- and the decision taken in the matter? serve Bank of India. THE MINISTER OF~ TOURISM In case of term loans to small scale AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PU- industries in respect of which refinan- RUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) Yes. ce is availed of from Industrial Deve- Sir. lopment Bank of India, banks charge ll per cent rate of interest and 9.5 (b) The following are the salient per cent in specified backward dis- featuers of the schedule changes plan- tricts. ned with effect from 20th December, 1977:— In terms of credit policy announced by Reserve Bank of India on 12th De- New Services: cember, 1977, banks, in order to sti- mulate capital investment in the small —Halt at Nagpur on the daily scale sector, have been advised to Bombay /Calcutta service (IC charge a rate of interest not exceed- — 175/176). 239 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers 2 4 0

— Calcutta/Pat nay Calcutta (IC— — Calcutta/Agartal* (IC—235/ 207/208) thrice a week (intro- SiS6) Boeing—737 to replace duced with effect from 15th the F-27. November, 1977) — Bombay/Karachi (IC—131/ — Calcutta /Jorhat /Dibrugarh/ 132) Boeing— 737 to replace Calcutta (1C—213/214) thrice the Caravelle (introduced with a week. effect from 7th December, 1977). — Delhi/ Nagpur/ Hyderabad / Nagpur/Delhi (1C—516|515) to — Trivandrum/Colombo (IC— operate daily. 507/508). Boeing—737 to replace the HS—748 (introduced lantaat in frequencies: with effect from 2nd Novem- — Additional daily frequency on ber, 1977). the Bombay/Trivandrum rowtc — Bombay/Goa/Bangalore (IC— (IC-532/531) (introduced with 523/524) Boeing—737 to be re- effect from 7th December, placed by Caravelle. 1977). — Bombay Bhavnagar/ Bombay — Frequency increased on Cal- flC—135/136) Boeing—737 to cutta/Gauhati/Iir.phal (IC— replace HS—748 (introduced 217/218) from four days a with eflect from 7th Decem- week to five days a week. On ber 1977). remaining two days the service will operate as Calcutta /Gau- — Bombay/ Mangalore/ Bombay hati/Dibrugarh. (IC—159/160) Boein?—737 to replace HS—748 (introduced — IC—137/138 will operate daily with effect from 7th December on the sector Bombay/Keshod/ 1977). Porbander. — On Delhi/Kathmandu (IC-413/ MisceUaftieo«s: 414) from thrice weekly to — IC— 461/462 (Delhi/Ahmeda- six days a week (introduced bad/Delhi) to operate daily on with effect from 15th Novem- ber, 1977). the Delhi / Ahmedabad/Boirbay sector (introduced with effect — Frequency increased on Cal- from 7th December, 1977). cutta /Hyderabad /Bangalore — IC—211/212 to operate daily on (IC— 269/270) from five days a the sector Calcutta/Gauhati/ week to daily. Tezpur/Dimapur / Jorha t/Lila / — Daily halt at Kanpur on ser- bari//Dibrugarh sector. vice IC—411/412. — IC—439/440 to operate direct — Increase in frequency to Ja- daily on the sector Delhi/Mad- balpur and Raipur on IC—469 / ras/Delhi. 470 from two times a week to three times a week. — IC—403/404 to operate direct daily on the sector Delhi/Ban- of Tvrto-prop by Booing galore /Delhi. —1ST aircraft: (c) and (d). Indian Airlines are — On Bombay /Hyderabad route withdrawing the present HS—748 ser- (IC—117/118) the ten frequen- vice between Bombay and Nagpur and cies per week with the Cara- introducing a daily halt at Nagpur vdle has been changed to on the direct Boeing—737 service bet- twice daily with the Boeing— ween Bombay and Calcutta. This will m . not only meet the Bombay/Nagpur 241 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 242

dejiands, but will also restore the (c) Total number of Gold dealers Nagpur/Calcutta airiink. Further, a licences in Maharashtra as on 31st new daily Boeing-737 service linking March 1977 was 1811. Thereafter, 131 Nagpur with Delhi and Hyderabad is fresh applications were received and being introduced and Nagpur is being 90 have been disposed of leaving a, taken off as a halt on the Delhi/Mad- pendency of 41. ras service, restoring direct daily operation. (d) The existing procedure has been designed to fulfil the require- Gold Dealers' Licences in Maharashtra ments of the provisions of the Gold 4353. SHRI V A SA N T SATH E: W ill (Control) Act and the Rules made the Minister of FINANCE be pleased thereunder relating to the issue of gold dealers licences, no further simplifi- to slate: cation at the moment appears neces- (a) whether th^ Government have sary. The matter is, however, kept revised/relaxed rules relating to issue under review. of Gold licences;

(b) if so, the details of the changes/ Revision in the Rates of . Pension revision effected; Permissible to Central Government Servants (c) the total number of Gold dealers with licences in Maharashtra as 4354. SHRI M A N O R A N JAN B H A K - on 31st March, 1977 and the number TA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be of fresh applications received for pleased to state: Gold dealers licences thereafter and (a) whether the present rates of cleared so far and the number pend- pensions permissible to Central Go- ing; and vernment servants is very meagre (d) what steps are taken to simp- keeping in view the price index; and lify the procedure and expedite grant of Gold dealers licences? (b) whether Government are taking THE MINISTER OF STATE IN any steps to revise the rates of pen- THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE sion payable to the retired Govern- (SHRI SATISH AGARWAL): (a) ment servants particularly those who and (b). The Gold Control (Licens- retire from lower jobs and if not, ing of Dealers) Rulesi 1969 were reasons therefor? amended by issue of notification S.O. No. 751(E) dated 4th November 1977 THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND by which the qualifying limit of turn- REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI over for certified goldsmiths to obtain H. M. PA T E L ): (a) and (b ). The rates a gold dealer’s licence has been of pension admissible, to Central Gov- brought down from 5 kgs to 2 kgs; ernment servants are fixed from time similarly the quantity and value sti- to time after their examination by pulated for grant of dealers licence expert bodies like the Pay Commis- for export of ornaments have been sions. The present rates were fixed lowered frorr. one thousand grammes with effect from 1-1-1973 on the recom- and rupees one lakh to hundred gra- mendation of the Third Pay Commis- mmes and rupees ten thousand res- sion, and a review of these rates is, pectively. Provision has also been therefore, not considered necessary so made for separating partners of a par- soon. As regards rise in the price tnership firm holding a dealer’s li- index, retired Government servants* cence to obtain gold dealer’s licences including those retiring from lower on certain conditions. Employees in a jobs, are given relief on pension from licensed gold dealer’s firm having time to time. The present rate of such prescribed experience will also be eli- relief is 30 per cent of pension sub- gible for gold dealer’s licences on cer- ject to a minimum o f Rs. 30 per month tain conditions. and a maximum o f Rs. 150 per month. 243 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers

Amount spent tor the v e of Staff statement indicating the particulars of Cars during Three Months these cases is laid on the Table of'the House. [Placed in Library. See No. 4355. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will LT-1390/77]. Out of these 677 firms, the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 169 cases have also been handed over to state: to C.B.I. for investigation, with a view to prosecuting the offenders in a court (a) the amount spent for the use of law. 174 other cases have been of Staff cars belonging to the Gov- ciosed as investigation revealed noth- ernment of India during the three ing incriminating against the firms. months, April—June, 1977; and Enquiries in respect of the remaining (b) how does this expenditure 2081 cases are still in progress. compare with that incurred during the same period in 1976? Loan advanced to individual firms and Companies for more than Five THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND Crores by Nationalised Banks, S.BJ. REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI and RBJ. H. M. P A T E L ): (a) and (b ). The information is not readily available 4:*57. SHRI KANWAR LAI, GUPTA: and is being collected from the various Will the Minister of FINANCE be Ministries/Departments. The same pleased to state: will be laid on the Table of the (a) the names and addresses of the House as soon as possible. individuals, firms and corr.panies, and monopoly houses who have been ad- Misase of Import Licences vanced loans for more thar. ft crores by the nationalised Banks, State 4356. SHRI MUKUNDA M ANDAL: Bank of India or Reserve Bank of Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND India in the last three years, along CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- with the amount of loan; TION be pleased to state; (b) whether Government have re- (a) how many cases of misuse of ceived any complaint regarding the import licences during the period irregularities committed by these June 26, 1975 to M arch 20, 1977, have banks in advancing such loans. been reported to Government; (c) if so. the details of each case (b) nature of misuse in each case; and the action taken by Government; (c) names and particulars of par- and ties involved; and (d) the names of each firm, company or individual, whose loan has (d) what action, if any, has been not been paid regularly along with or is being taken in each? the i/Utstanding loans in each case? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF FINANtE AND MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA H. M. PATEL): (a) and (d). Reserve TION (SHRI ARIF B E G ): (a) 2932 Bank of India does not grant any cases of misuse of impojt licence* advance to individuals, firms and com- came to the notice of Government dur- panies. As regards advances of above ing the period between 25-6-1975 and Rs. 5 crores granted by the State Bank 20-3-1977. of India and nationalised banks, in (b ) to (d ). O f the 2932 cases refer- accordance with the practices and red to above, 677 firms have been usages customary among bankers and debarred from receiving import facili- also in conformity with the provisions ties for specified periods under the of the State Bank of India Act, 1955 Import# (Control) Order, 1955. A and the Banking Companies (Acquisi- 245 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 25, 1890 (SAKA) Written Answers 246

fioh and Transfer of Undertakings) able data, the outstanding credit of aL Act, 1970, inform ation relating to the scheduled commercial banks m respect affairs of individual constituents is not of advances of above Rs. 5 crores is as to be divulged. However, as per avail- follows:

(Rs. in crore*)

As on the last Friday of

Credit limit range December 1974 December, 1975

No. of Credit Amount No. of Credit Amoutot A/Cs. limit outstanding A/Gs. omit outstanding

Above Rs. 5 ci ore* . 133 1664-02 706.25 169 2652.44 *587.93

(b) arid (c). Complaints received THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND by Government regarding irregularities REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI committed by public sector banks in H. M. P A T E L ): (a) and (b). Govern- advancing such large loans are either ment have received complaints against forwarded to the Reserve Bank of two directors of Allahabad Bank out India or to the bank concerned for ol whom one, a non-official director enquiry and appropriate further action. has since ceased to be director. In In respect of one such case. Govern- his case the complaint was about avail- ment had appointed a One-man In- ment of certain credit facilities by a quiry Committee to look into the credit small-scale unit at Kanpur in which facilities granted by the Bank and the his relations had partnership interest. report submitted by the One-man in- In the case of the other director who quiry Committee is under examination still continues, the allegations relate of the Government. to his activities as a bank employee and office bearer of the employees All cases of irregularities committed union. These allegations were examin- by banks in granting advances are ed in consultation with Allahabad generally looked into By the Reserve Bank. The bank has taken necessary Bank of India during the course of remedial action. the inspections of banks carried out under section 35 of the Banking Regu- (c) and (d). Government have relation Act, 1949. ceived several allegations against the functioning of Allahabad Bank. They Complaints against Directors of fall into the following broad cate- Allahabad Bank gories: 4358. SHRI K A N W A R L A L GUPTA: (a) payment of brokerage and ac- Will the Minister of FINANCE be ceptance of inter bank deposits at pleased to state: high rate of interest, (b) making certain irregular ad- (aj whether Government have re- vances, ceived any complaint against the Directors of Allahabad Bank; (c) favouritism shown to certain officers in the matter of promotion (b) if so, the details thereof and the action taken on it; and posting; and (d) allegations of other improper (c) what are the details of the action by the previous and present complaints received by the Govern- chief executives. ment against the functioning of Allahabad Bank; and All allegations have been/are being looked into and appropriate action (d) what action has been taken taken, where necessary. on that? Written Answers DECEMBER II, 1977 Written Answers 248

Oiamtee |l?eB by QIC to Banks for Bharat Tim es o f 30th N ovem ber, 1977 Jeeps suppUed to CoBfrm Party stated that Government are contem- plating to launch facilities to be pro- 4359. SHRI KAN WAR L A L GU PTA: vided to low and middle income Will the Minister of FINANCE be domestic tourists in the country; pieased to state: (b) if so, what are the details of the proposal which are under Gov- (a) whether it is a fact that the ernment’s consideration at present General Insurance Company gave and what is the amount earmarked guarantee to the Banks for the jeeps for the purpose during the current supplied to the Congress Party at the year; instance of the Chairman of the insurance company; (c) the names of the places where such a facilities would be provided (b) if so, what was the amount of and in what way; and guarantee given to the Bank against (d ) w hether it is a fact that the the jeeps; and facilities which are likely to be provided to such tourists will be within (c) wjll Government make inquiry the reach of such tourists on finan- into the incident and take action cial side and if so, what are the de- against the concerned persons? tails thereof?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND THE MINISTER OF TOURISM REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) H. M. P A T E L ): (a) No. Sir. General Yes. Sir. Insurance Companies did not issue any indemnity policies for the supply (b) to (d ). It is proposed to construct of jeeps to the Congress Party. The inexpensive hotels within the reach Companies had. in the normal course of middle income group tourists at the of their business, issued hire-purchase metropolitan cities of Delhi. Bombay. indemnity policies to hire-purchase Calcutta and Madras, and other selec- finance companies, the extent of in- ted tourist centres. The number and demnity granted in each* case being de- location of such hotels to be construc- cided in the light of the requirements ted in the Central sector wii! depend of the hire-purchase finance company, upon the resources made available for its past record and the nature of this purpose during the Sixth Five securities and counter-guarantees offer Year Plan, which is under discussion ed by it. It was for the hire purchase with the Planning Commission. finance companies, and not the insur- For low income group domestic ance companies, to take a decision regarding the individuals or bodies of tourists it is proposed to work out a scheme in consultation with the State individuals to whom they provide Governments, religious trusts, etc. to motor vehicles (including jeeps) on improve dharamshalas etc. so that hire-purchase basis. clean and comfortable accommodation (b) and (c). Do not arise. can be provided to such tourists. Tourism on Regional Basts In Neigh- Vfcdlttlai to Low and Middle Income bouring Countries Domestic Ton lists 4361. SHRI DURGA CH AN D: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CI- 4360. SHRI DURGA CHAND: Will VIL AVIATION be pleased to state: the Minister of TOURISM AND CI- VIL AVIATION be pleased to state: (a) whether there is a proposal in Government's consideration to en- (a) whether it is a fact that he in courage tourism on regional basis in on interview reported in the Nav neighbouring countries; 249 Written Annoert AGRAHAYANA 28, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 250

(b) if so, what are the details develop places associated with per- thereof; and sons of literature and other leading (c> whether any approach has personalities of the country for de- been made to the neighbouring coun- veloping places of tourist interest; tries in this direction, and if *°. with what results? (b) if so, what are the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) (c) whether it is a fact that the Yes, Sir. Minister in his interview reported in the Nav Bharat Times of 20th Nov- ) and (cm. For promoting tourism ember 1977 has made a reference to on regional basis. Government of In- the above proposal; and dia works within the frame work of World Tourism Organisation (WTO). (d) if so what are the names of WTO has six Commissions—one of the places which have been selected which is Commission on South Asia an t includes among its Members In- or proposed to be selected for this dia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangla- purpose? desh, Iran. Nepal and Sri Lanka.

The objectives of this Commission THE MINISTER OF TOURISM are to create regional cooperation and AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI initiate measures for joint promotions PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a, to highlight the tourist attractions of and (b). There are no specific propo- thf' Region. Al>o effort is made for sals under the consideration of the the development of intra-regional Department of Tourism for developing tourism between member-countries. tourist facilities at places associated The Corr.mission meets twice a year with persons of literature and other in one of ihe member countries to leading personalities of the country. discuss ways and means for achieving However depending upon the import- these objectives. ance of the place, tourist facilities are provided at places associated with To highlight the Region, the future well-known personalities. For ex- programmes of the Regional Com- ample, the Department constructed a mission include production of joint rest house at Shantiniketan and con* brochure(s>. joint advertising and sales tributed 50 per cent of the cost to- seminars in the primary tourist gene- wards the construction of tourist bun- rating markets Information bulle- galows at Porbander and Sabarmati tins and informative material are in the Thiid Plan; it mounted a son- regularly exchanged with member- et^umiere show at Sabarmati Ashram c-ountries. in the Fourth Plan; and in the current Plan period it constructed a tourist India is closely working with othei bungalow at Porbander; has sanction- countries of this Region to develop ed expenditure for a Yatri Niwas at South Asia as a popular tourist desti Sewagram and has provided a motor nation. launch to be used for ferrying visitors Development of places Associated to the Vivekananda Rock Memorial at with Persons of Literature and Kanyakumari. Leading Personalities

43(32. SHRI DURGA CHAND: Will (c) Yes, Sir. the Minister of TOURISM AND CI- VIL AVIATION be pleased to state: fd) For the present only the cons- (a) whether there is any proposal truction of Yatri Niwas at Sewagram under Government consideration to has been sanctioned. 251 Written Answers DECEMBER 16, 1977 Written Answers

Inclusion of Kullu/Manali Route for cedure o f calling tenders in this also, Small Air Buses and (iv ) purchased, as well paper worth Rs. 16.5 lakh in irregular man- 4363. SHRI DURGA CH AN D: Will ner from Jaydayal Kapoor Distribut- the Minister of TOURISM AND CI- ing Company in July, 1974 and had VIL AVIATION be pleased to state: similar irregular deals with the same company from 1972— 77; (a) whether there is any proposal under Government consideration to (b) if so, facts thereabout; and start small air buses with a capacity of 15 to 20 passengers connecting (c) whether any investigations were small towns in the near future; made into these matters by ITDC Management and if not, the reasons (b) if so, what are the details therefor? thereof;

(c) by when these air buses on THE MINISTER OF TOURISM these routes are likely to start func- AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI tioning; and PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) to (c). Certain complaints have been (d) whether Kullu-Manali and received which are under examina- Kangra valley are likely to be in- tion. cluded in th*s proposal?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM Investment made/Loans given to AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI various Industries by Financial PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): la; Institutions to id). The feasibility of operating Third Level—local air services is un- 4;. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will der consideration. and Government the Minister of FINANCE be pleased have not so far taken a decision to to .state: link smail citieswnvns by air services. The qlies*ion of connecting KuIIu- (a) facts about the Investment made Manali by such Third-Level operations or loan given to— (i) large-scale in- will also be considered. dustries (ii) whole-sale traders (iii) small-scale industries, (iv) cottage in- Irregular purchase made by ITDC dustries, (v) agriculturist during the Management year 1974— 77 by the various financial institutions under the Central Gov- ernment; 4364. SHRI SA M A R GU H A: W ill the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL (\)) interest asked f >r su* h loans, AVIATION be pleased to state: invt^ment or advances from the various categories of the iccij ients of (a) whether the I.T.D.C. Manage- the financial benefits as stated above; ment (i) procurer! Rs. lakh w orfh art paper by a specific brand name (c) facts about tho loans/advances/ “cristal Quoted Art Paper” from Bal- investments repaid in time and re- arpur Industries Limited in an irre- mained unpaid; gular way in 1D76 (ii) procured another instalment of art paper worth (d) whether the Government have Rs. 30 lakhs from the same company re-examined the policy of giving without calling of tenders and avoid- loans/ advances etc.; and ing the directive of the Minister concerned, (iii) placed order of Rs. 18 (e ) if so, facts thereabout and the lakhs worth of furniture and other fit- break-up of the figures state-wise, re- ting for Akbar Hotel on an unknown garding distribution of loans/advances private ccmpany ignoring general pro- etc; during the same period? 253 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 26, 189® (SAKA) Written Answers 254

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND land development and 11.0 per cent REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI for diversified purposes. Banks have H. M. P A T E L ): (a) It is presumed also been advised that direct indivi- that the data asked tor are in respect dual loans to small farmers not ex- of the scheduled commercial banks. ceeding Rs. 2500 granted after Jan- Available data on sectoral distribution uary 1, 1978 should not be charged of outstanding advances of scheduled interest of more than 11.0 per cent. commercial banks as at the end of June 1973 to 1976 are set cut in An- Statewise data on the advances (ac- nexe laid on the Table of the cording to sanction) of scheduled House. [Placed in Library. See No. commercial banks as at the end of LT-1391 / 71 ]. June 1973 and June 1976 are set out in Annexe III. (b) Data relating to distribution of loans and advances of scheduled com- Projects to be takqn up in Maharashtra mercial banks according to interest during Current Fiscal Year of World range and occupation available as af Bank and I.D.A. the end of Decem ber, 1975 in respect of accounts with credit limits in excess SHRI YASHWANT BOROLE: of Rs. lO.OOfi, are set out in Annexe II Will the Minister of FINANCE be laic! on the Table of the House. [P lac- pleased to state: et/ in Library. See No. LT-1391/77]. (a) whether during the current fiscal i,i ) The Reserve Bank of India are Tear of World Bank and I. D.A. some 30 million rural poor may benefit from (■'■llei-t’ng data Hoarding recovery of advances only in respect of direct fin- agricultural and rural development ance to farmers. The latest available projects in the country; dal a show that the total demand of (b) if S3, the nature of such projects, ’h- scheduled commercial banks in and this sector as at the end of June, 1976 (c) how many of such projects are amounted to Rs. 415.59 crores of to be taken up in Maharashtra? which Rs. 1M5.87 crores was recovered leaving overdues to the ex- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE ten: of Rs. 199.72 crores or 48.1 per AND REVENUE AND BANKING ecru of the demand. (SHRi H. M. PATEL): (a) No, Sir. However, according to the World (d) and (e). Public sector banks Bank annual report, 1977. figures ha vo been ad vised to enlarge the flow available for 84 World Bank/LD.A. of credit to neglected sectors in such assisted agricultural projects approv- a manner as to raise their share in ed in fiscal year 1977 spread over a the aggregate credit to 33.3 per cent number of member countries indicate bv March. 1979. They hav0 also been that the direct beneficiaries may num- advised to improve their credit dep- ber some 5 million farm families or 1'v. men! so .r;S to have a Credit D epo- about 30 million people. sit ratio of at least 60 per cent in (b) I.D.A. supported agricultural their rural and semi-urban branches and rural development projects cover by the same date. Reserve Bank of such fields as irrigation, agricultural India have also advised the banks to credit, research and extension, area charge a rate of interest not exceed- development, livestock, forestry and ing 11.0 per cent on term loans of not fisheries, crop processing storage and less than three years maturity to marketing. small scale units covered under the Credit Guarantee Scheme and units (c) In the World Bank fiscal year promoted by technical entrepreneurs 1977 78, an l.D.A. assisted irrigation, and small units located in backward cum-command area development pro- districts, not exceeding 10.5 per cent ject in the State of Maharashtra is on term loans of similar maturity to likely to be taken up. Agriculture for minor irrigation and DECEMBER 16, 1977 Paper* Laid 256

U hrs. licy is immediately implemented, and RE: HUNGER STRIKE BY GENE- Shri Yelliah, the General Secretary of RAL SECRETARY OF WORKERS’ the Union, who is on hunger strike, is requested to give up his hunger UNION OF BHARAT HEAVY strike. ELECTRICALS, HYDERABAD

SHRI M ALLIKARJUN (Medak): Sir, the workers of Bharat Elcctricals, 12.03 hrs. Hyderabad, are agitating for the implementation of the promotion policy, which has been accepted by the mana- PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE. gement with the previous Union. MR. SPEAKER: Now, Papers to be Therefore, Shri Yelliah, the General Secretary of the Union, is on inde- laid on the Table Shri Satish Agra- wal. finite hunger strike demanding the Implementation of the promotion po- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia* licy. The management is harassing mond Harbour): Sir, I rise on a point the workers with the help of the police, of order, under Direction 2. sub-eec- which is deplorable. Kindly direct the tion (6), involving a breach of privi- Minister of Industries to intervene in lege. You have chosen to call Shii the matter, settle the dispute and Satish Agrawal to lay some documents make a statement here. Now it is on the Table, as laid down in the List continuing for the last nine days. of Business of today. But you have Life is precious as also the economy totally overlooked the fact that I havt: of the country. The workers have given notice of two privilege motions adopted the Gandhian method of one against Shri H. M. Patel. My alle a peaceful hunger strike. Yet, the gations are that he has mislead th<* management is very adamant and it House in the issue of Kapadia’s Kohi- is utilising the police force to harass noor Mills and the Central Bark. He the workers. This is a situation which is trying to shield Kapadias. is unacceptable in the socialist pattern of society. Therefore, kinly instruct MR SPEAKER: 1 receive half a do- the Industries Minister to take steps zen motions every day. to see that the promotion policy, which has been agreed upon by the manage- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU. Not half ment with the previous Union, be im- a dozen, but one dozen. So what*' plem ented. MR, SPEAKER; They all come at Shri Yelliah, the General Secre- 10.30 a.m. tary of the Union is on hunger strike lor the iast nine days. Another office SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Under bearer of the Union, Shri Pedhi rule 222, I can give as m in y m otion Reddy, who was on a hunger strike as I like. was arrested and charge-sheeted for attempted suicide MR. SPEAKER: But I must read MR. SPEAKER: You have mention- them. ed the same thing half a dozen times. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: It Is SHRI MALLIKARJUN: I mention- given before 10.30. Y ou should com e ed it to the Industries Minister, but here ready to listen to me by 12 O’clock, he has ignored it. The management are backing out of their earlier agree- MR. SPEAKER: Your motion came ment. That is why I have adopted to ine after 10.30 a.m. the democratic procedure of raising it in this august House to imcress upon SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: No, Sir you, Sir, and upon the Industries Min- My motion was sent, to the best of ister to ensure that the promotion po- my knowledge, before 10 O’Clock. 257 *>per» Laid AGRAHAYANA M, lHft OSAKA) Aifwi Laid 25 g

MR. SPEAKER: May be, to the J'JosrincATWK ipwer Qjstoms Aqe, Office. It came to me after 10.80. Incomk -tajc A ct and c^der Central Excise R ules

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND have failed to regulate the House REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI during the Question Hour. I have H. M. PATEL): I beg to lay on the seen that. I do not want to make any Table: — further Observation on that. (1) A copy of Notification No. MR. SPEAKER: How can I regu- G.S.R. 1653 (Hindi and English ver- late the Members like you? For regu- sions) published in Gazette of India lation of the House, the senior dated the 3rd December, 1977, under Members like you must cooperate. section 159 of the Customs Act, 1962 together with an explanatory flae- morandum. [Placed in Library. See SHRI C. N. VISVANATHAN: We No. LT-1365/77]. should not make such observations. In whatever we do, we must cooperate (2) A copy of the Income-Tax with the Chair and give respect to (Ninth Amendment) Rules, 1977 the Chair. (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. S.OL 827 (F) in Gazette of India dated the 9th MR. SPEAKER: Does the regula- December, 1977, under section 29® tion mean only allowing you to speak? of the Income-tax Act, 1961. [Pla- ced in Library. See No. LT-1366/ SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I have 77]. given a privilege motion ----- (3) A copy each of the following MR. SPEAKER: I have yet to con- Notifications (Hindi and English versions) issued under the Central Ex- sider it. cise Rules, 1944: —

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: That has (i) G.S.R. 730(E) published in not been conveyed to me. Gazette of India dated the 3rd December, 1977, together with an explanatory memorandum. MR. SPEAKER: I have to consider it first. You give a notice and you (ii) G.S.R. 731(E) published in want an opportunity to make a speech Gazette of India dated the $d on that even before I consider that. December, 1977 together with an explanatory naemoptfyAum- [Plo- c«d in Library. See Ho. LT-1367/ Please do^’t record; it is not going to 771. the preu ako. Annual Report or and Review on SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: •• Export Credit and Gcarahtee Corporation Ltd., an© M.M.T.C. or India Ltd. and ST.C. of Indu. Ltd. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I have given an adjournment motion... THE. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE AND MR. SPEAKER: I have not disallow, CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- ed it. I am getting some facts. TION (SHRI ARIF BEG): I beg to lay Qn the Table a copy eaph of th$ Papers to be laid. following papers (Hindi and English

♦•Not recorded. 3066 US.—9. ' *59 Papert Laid DECEMBER lfl, 1977 Paper* Laid 360

■ versions) under sub-section (1) of English versions) published in Noti- section 619A of the Companies Act, fication No. G.S.R. 1657 in Gazette 1956: — of India dated the 10th December, 1977 under sub-section (2) of section (a) (i) Review by the Govern- 3 of the All-India Services Act, 1951. ment on the working of the Export [Placed in Library. See No. LT-1371/ Credit and Guarantee Corporation 77]. Limited, Bombay, for the year ended 31st December, 1976. An n u al Re po r t s o f Or ie n t al Fire and Ge n e r al In s u r an c e Co . Lt d .. (ii) Annual Report of the Export Un it e d In d ia Ft r e and Ge n e r al Credit and Guarantee Corporation In s u r a n c e Co. Lt d . Na t io n a l Limited, Bombay for the year end- In s u r an c e Co . Lt d ., and Ge n e r al ed 31st December, 1976 along with In s u r an c e Co r po r a t io n or In d ia Lt d the Audited Accounts and the com- and St a t e me n t s ments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon. [Placed SHRI H. M. PATEL: I beg to lay In Library. See No. LT-1368/77]. on the Table: —

(b) (i) Review by the Govern- (1)A copy each of the following ment on the working of the Minerals papers (Hindi and English versions) and Mi^i* Trading Corporation of under sub-section (1) of section India Limited, New Delhi, for the 619A of the Companies Act, 1956: — year 1976-77. (a) (i) Annual Report of the (ii) Annual Report of the Minerals Oriental Fire and General Insu- and Metals Trading Corporation of rance Company Limited, New I n d ia Limited, New Delhi, for the Delhi, for the year ended 31st year 1976-77 along with the Audited Decem ber, 1975 along with the Accounts and the comments of the Audited Accounts and the com- Comptroller and Auditor General ments of the Comptroller and thereon. [Placed in Library. Sec Auditor General thereon. No. LT-1369/77]. (ii) A statement explaining that (e) (1) Review by the Govern- Government are in agreement with ment on the working of the State the above Report and therefore Trading Corporation cf India Limi- no separate Review on the work- ted, New Delhi, for the year 1976- ing of the Company is being laid 77. [Placed in Library. See No. L T - 1372/77]. (ii) Annual Report of the State Trading Corporation of India Limi- (b) (i) Annual Report of the ted, New Delhi, for the year 1976- United India Fire and General 77 along with the Audited Accounts Insurance Company Limited, and the comments of the Comptrol- Madras, for the year ended 31st ler and Auditor General thereon. December, 1975 along with tho :[Placed in Library. S<‘c No. LT- Audited Accounts and the com- 1370/77], ments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon. N otification u n d e r A l l -India Se r v ic e s A c t (ii) A statement explaining that Government are in agreement with THE MINISTER OF HOME AF- the above Report and therefore no FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): I separate Review on the working beg to lay on the Table a copy of the of the Company is being laid. SAIl-lndla Services (Provident Fund) [Placed in Library. See No. LT- flim n i i rnt Rules, 1977 (Hindi and 1373/77] 261 Papers Laid AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Message from RS. 262

(c ) (i) Annual Report of the dations contained in Part I of the National Insurance Company Limi- Final Report [Placed in Library. ted, Calcutta, for the year ended See No. LT-1376/77]. 31st D ecem ber, 1975 along with the Audited Accounts and the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor Genera) thereon. 12.08 hrs.

(Ii) A statement explaining that MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA Government are in agreement with the above Report and there- SECRETARY: Sir, I have to report fore: no separate Review on the the following message received from working of the Company is being the Secretary-General of Rajya laid. [Placed in Library. See No. Sabha: — LT-1374/77]. “In accordance with the provisions (d) (i) Annual Report of the of rule 127 of the Rules of Proce- General Insurance Corporation of dure and Conduct of Business in the India, Bombay, for the year end- Rajya Sabha, I am directed to in- ed 31st December, 1976 along with form the Lok Sabha that the Rajya the Audited Accounts and the Sabha, at its sitting held on the comments of the Comptroller and 15th Decem ber, 1977 agreed w ith- Auditor General thereon. out any amendment to the Com- panies (Amendment) Bill, 1977, (ii) A statement explaining that Government are in agreement with which was passed by the Lok Sabha at its sitting held on the 13th Dec- the above Report and therefore no separate Review on the working em ber, 1977.” of the Corporation is beinp laid.

(2) Three statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons 12.09 hrs. for delay in laying the documents mentioned at (a), (b) and (c) of vft f w i ( l : item (1) above. [Placed in Library, See No. LT-1375/77]. q^T tflT FT M M I# JTRrnr I n t e h i m a n d F i n a l R e p o r t s o f for m u m I n d i r e c t T a x a t i o n E n q u i r y C o m - m i t t e e a n d a n E x p l a n a t o r y N o t e fj 1 f f f t w SH RI H. M. PA TE L: I beg to lay | f t t t c on the Table— Srpff ^srr «pt *r ! 1 (1) A copy of the Interim Report m is n w r it f o n of the Indirect Taxation Enquiry Committee (April, 1977). % srw q w r | f t (2) A copy of the Final Report m (Part I) of the Indirect Taxation Sr f w r |1 snft sfr f t Enquiry Commitlee (October, 1977). Jr vft f r ^nr^fr ^r (3) An explanatory note (Hindi 5i1h=(mi «n 1 *nrt *ft i r o and English versions) giving -rea- jpt j t r t r «tt srara sons for not laying simultaneously the Hindi versions of the above re- srinft *r htct | 1 ports and also explaining that no * T R rPP ^ T T ft decision has yet been taken regard- fftK f*T »rrf?PTi ^ I ing implementation of the recommen- 263 Terrorist activities of DECEMBER 16, 1977 Anand Marg (CA) a$-

[«ft t h t f w fenrrft] say that.a full discussion is very necessary on the terrorist activities of f*TTTT Anand Margin These are going on on **r ir | 1 WTS «ft a large scale....

«rr^t *m r qft ^ st t * r MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. t< Let the Home Minister read out the statement. MR. SPEAKER: Why was the Hindi version not made available? THE MINISTER OF HOME AF- FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, with your permis- «?$ («ft wr«r fsjj) sion. 1 would first read out mv state- nrver M^IW, %TT ifr ment in English. In fact, I have got JTPkTT f i ff t only the English version. Then I will translate it into Hindi. Sir, threaten- % 5^TT I $ *TRrTT | fa f^ft ing letters are being received from *i fftar n wijnn ^T^rrf % ^ r< w our personnel and the damage to our ** w r w k x # property abroad. While the Anand Marg Pracharak Sangh has disclaim- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- ed connections with the Universal mond Harbour) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I l*routist Revolutionary Federation, it rise on a point of order. The hon. has not condemned the violence perpe- Member is mentioning about the in- trated. Since only the followers ^f ability of the Bihar Government to Shri Sarkar are indulging in threats shift P. R. Sarkar, the so-called to secure his release1, the public dis- Anand Murti from Patna jail to claimer of the Anand Marg that it has Hazaribagh jail. Is it a forum where nothing to do with the Universal the State Government can be criticis- Proutist Revolutionary Federation ed? We cannot sit on judgement over cannot be given too much importance State Governments’ activities.

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SHRI ASOKE KRISHNA DUTT SHRI NATWARLAL B. PARMAR (D»m Dun): I beg to present the (Dhanduka): I beg to present the following Reports of the Public Ac- Fourth Report of the Committee on counts Committee: — Absence of Members from the sittings of the House. (1) Twentieth Report on Para- graphs 38, S9, 41 and 42 o f the Report of the Comptroller and 12.30 hrs. Auditor General of India for the year 1974-75, Union Government STATEMENT RE. GOVERNMENT (Civil) relating to Purchase of DECISIONS ON RECOMMENDA- Tents, Assembly Springs, Angola TIONS OF OIL PRICES COMMITTEE Shirting and Gun Metal Ingots. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM (2) Fifty-fourth Report on Para- AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI- graph 15 of the Report of the SERS (SH R I H. N. B A H U G U N A ) : Comptroller and Auditor General Mr. Speaker, Sir. Hon’ble Members at India for the year 1974-75, are aware that the Government of Union Government (Civil), Reve- India had set up in March 1974, an nue Receipts, Volume I, Indirect Oil Prices Committee under the Ttaes (Customs Receipts). Chairmanship of Dr. K. S. Krishna- swamy, Deputy Governor, Reserve Bank of India to recommend pricing COMMITTEE ON THE WELFARE OF policies to be followed in the context SCHEDULED CASTES AND SCHE- of the new world crude situation and DULED TRIBES on other connected matters. This Committee submitted an Interim Re- F i r s t a n d S e v e n t h R e p o r t s port in February 1975 and Govern- ment decisions thereon were contain- SHRI SURAJ BHAN (Ambala): I ed in the Resolution of 14th July, beg to present the following Reports 1975. The main features of the new (English and Hindi versions) of the pricing arrangement were the deter- Committee on the Welfare of Sche- mination of the price of indigenous duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes: — crude oil on the principle of the long (1) First Report on the Ministry run social marginal cost of crude of Agriculture and Irrigation (De- (discounted at 10 per cent over 15 partment of Agriculture)—Allot - years as life of the project), the re- men of land to Scheduled Castes placement of the system of ‘import and Scheduled Tribes in the Union parity* in the determination of prices Territory of Delhi. of crude oil and petroleum products, by a system of costs in accordance (2) Seventh Report on Action with certain norms and parameters Taken by Government on the re- plus an appropriate return on invest- commendations contained in their ment and the introduction of reten- Fortieth Report (Fifth Lok Sabha) tion prices for each product for each on the Ministry of Railways (Rail- refinery. way Board)—Reservation for, and employment of, Scheduled Castes The Oil Prices Committee submit- and Scheduled Tribes in the Work- ted its final Report in November, shops of Western Railway. 1976. I have the honour to inform the House of the decisions of the Gov- TBfcGwt. petition* AGRAHAYANA 25, Wt# iSAKA) ^Recommendations (Sty 274 on GjPjC. eminent on the important recommen- cost data and after providing a return dations of the OKI Prides Committee. of 15 per cent (gross) on the total capital employed. Due consideration has been given to the dlfferihg tech* 1 The country still depends on sub- nology, the vintage of th^ plants and stantial imports of crude oil and defi- different types of the crude oil allot- cit petroleum products. The cost of ted to each refinery and norms and imported crude oil has increased about parameters have been determined for ten times during the last seven to the individual units related to a high €lght yefcrs. Crude is the main ele- standard of efficiency. I have issued m ent in. the oost o f production df instructions that a strict watch should finished petroleum products. It has be kept on the fulfilment of these been possible to cushion the impact of norms and parameters. such steep increases by determining the prices of indigenous crude oil on the basis of a return on the estimated The concept of retentions/margins/ level of expenditure and revenue of prices has been extended to market- the ONGC and not on the basis of ing operations so as to place all the import parity. Thus it has been marketing companies in the public decided that the price of indigenous sector in a position cf equal advantage. onshore crude oil would continue to I have issued instructions that a strict b e Rs. 41.44 per bbl. ($ 4.58 per bbl— watch should be kept on the pro- Rs. 305.41 per m etric tonne of 340 duct losses and the levels of invento- API gravity) and that of offshore ries by the marketing companies. crude oil at Rs. 58.84 per bbl. (S 6.54 per bbl.—Rs. 433.65 pet metric tonne While inefficiency will be penalis- of 34° API gravity). ed, provision has also been made for rewarding efficiencies. The oil companies will be allowed to retain the Nine countries belonging to the savings which arise from the achieve- Ministerial Conference of the Orga- ment of norms and parameters better nisation of Petroleum Exporting than what is provided in the pricing Countries (OPEC), with the excep- mechanism. The new system is thus tion of Saudi Arabia and UAE, decid- designed to ensure that the public sec- ed to increase the prices of crude oil tor refining and marketing companies by 10 per cent w.e.f. 1-1-77. Saudi perform with optimum efficiency and Arabia and UAE limited the increase minimum cost. to 5 per cent from 1-1-77. Effective 1-7-77, Saudi Arabia and UAE in- The efficiency of the petroleum creased their prices of crude oil by marketing operators has also to be a further 5 per cent. In effect, the improved. To this end, the market increase in crude oil prices by the share of the oil marketing companies OPEC was nearly 8 per cent on the in the public sector will hereafter be average from 1-1-77. I am happy to regulated with a view to promote their be able to inform this House that orderly growth and a more rational thanks to the efforts of oil companies utilisation of the total facilities. The and the policy of pricing petroleum adoption of the retention price for products, we have been able to absorb marketing margins would facilitate a this price rise and it is not proposed freer exchange of petroleum products to increase the prices of petroleum among the oil companies. The system products. also facilitates the exchange of products between the refineries at different stages of production with a view The retention prices of each petro- to achieve maximum economy. The leum product for each refinery have distribution of petroleum products hpf.« revised on the basis of the latest *75 G ot*. Decisions on OJ>.C. DECEMBER 18, t»7T Tdke-over of Bengal Recommendation* (St) Chemical & PharmaemMcal Works Ltd. (St.)

[Shri H. N. Bahuguna] Summary of Recommendations and will as a result become more effi- Conclusions of the final report of the cient, more responsive to the public Oil Prices Committee. [Placed in needs and at diminished costs. Library. See No LT-1377/77].

So far, there has been no price formulation for lubricants and greas- 12 40 hrs. es, which were subjected to a kind of ‘block cpntror. The reason for STATEMENT RE. TAKE-OVER OF this was the existence of a large MANAGEMENT OF MESSRS. BEN- number of brands of the different GAL CHEMICAL AND PHARMA- companies, which were until recently CEUTICAL WORKS LTD., CAL- in the private sector. Additive pack- CUTTA. ages are also now indigenously avail- THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM able In this changed situation, basic AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI- ceiiing selling prices have been de- SERS (SH RI H. N. B A H U G U N A ) : termined for automotive lubes and M/s. Bengal Chemical and Pharma- non-additive secondary grade lubes ceutical Works Limited was founded comprising about 70 per cent of the by Acharya Prafulla Chandra Ray total sale of lubes. As a result, the in 1901, a pioneer in the m anufacture prices of some of the commonly used grades would be reduced. For the of Drugs and Chemicals in West Bengal with the twin objectives of rest which are mostly industrial grades, making India self-sufficient in drugs the prices are frozen at current levels. and chemicals and opening fresh avenues of employment.

Changes in rates of excise/custcms The company has four manufactur- duties necessitated by the aforesaid ing units as follows and employes decisions are being notified. about 2200 people: 1. Maniktala—Drugs and Phar- A number of special products such maceuticals; as Refinery gas. Wax, Petroleum coke, 2. Panihat— Chemicals; Spirits and Solvents hitherto outside the pricing mechanism have row been 3. Bombay—Drugs and home brought under the pricing umbrella, products; thus achieving a more equitable pric- 4. Kanpur—Drugs and home ing arrangement. products.

Government have introduced a sys- The company had been earning tem of meeting with the Chief Execu- profits till 1968-69. However, there tives of all the oil companies every have been consistent losses thereafter month at the Minister’s level and and the losses during 1969-70 to 1976- reviewing the problems of the indus- 77 were of the order of Rs. 269 lakhs. try. It is proposed to use this forum Government had been receiving re- to ensure that ‘he declared ob/ec- ports for some time about the ineffl tives of the new* policy of pricing cient operation and acts of mis-mana- of petroleum products are actually gement. An investigation into the realised. affairs of the company in terms of Section 15 of the Industries (De- With your permission, Sir. I place velopment and Regulation) Act (IDR) on the Table of the House copies of was consequently ordered by the the Government Resolution dated the G overnm ent on August 22, 1977. The 16th D ecem ber, 1977, containing the report of the Committee was received decisions of Government as well as on October 24, 1977. 277 Tak+over of Bengal AGRAHAYANA 86, 1899 (SAKA) 2 7 8 : Chemical ScPharmaceutical Works Ltd. (St.) The Committee went into all the 12.44 hrs. major aspects of the working of this company. While recording its assess- BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE ment thqt, with a suitable infusion of capital, selective implementation ol a THE MINISTER OF* PARLIAM EN - few expansion programmes, rationali- TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR sation of product-mix, improvement of (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): With marketing and induction of efficient your permission, Sir, I rise to announ- management could restore the com- ce that Government Business in this pany’s heaith. the Committee recom- House during the week commencing menced that the management of the 19th December, 1977, will consist of>— company should be immediately taken (1) Consideration and Passing of over under Section 18-A of the IDR the Constitution (Forty-Fourth Act. Amendment) Bill, 1977.

I ;::n happy to inform the House (2 ) Consideration of any item of that after a careful considertion of Government Business carried over ihe Committee's recommendations, the from today's Order Paper. Government have taken a decision (3) Consideration of a motion to take-over the management of the for reference of the Multi State Co- company forthwith. The Government operative Societies Bill, 1977 to a has also appointed a Board of Mana- Joint Committee of both Houses. gement to take-over the management of the company. (4) Consideration and passing of the following Bills, as passed by I have every hope that the Work- Rajya Sabha:— ing Class of this pioneer institution will assist in restoring this glorious (a) The Betwa River Board monument lo the memory of one of ('Amendment) Bill, 1977. India’s illustrious sons—Acharya P. C. (b) The Port Laws (Amend- Ray. to its leading role in the chemi- ment) Bill, 1977. cal and pharmaceutical activity of our country. (c) The Children (Amendment) BiU, 1977. SHRIMA T1 PARVATHI KRISHNAN (Coimbatore): Mr. Speaker, I want (5) Further discussion on the Mo- to make a submission. I am very tion regarding statement on two happy to near the statement that the serious train accidents. Minister has made but, Sir, for the last one month or so the workers ( 6 ) Further discussion on the Mo- have not received their remuneration tion regarding price rise. because ihe erstwhile management nad put a .slop to it. Sir, it is because PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Gan- of the cooperation of the workers that dhinagar): Sir, as you know and as the whole thing has taken place and the House is aware we have only four if the Minister could give an assu- days left next week of the current rance to the eflect that the dues of Session. I want to invite the atten- the workers will be cleared as soon tion of the government to some of as possible, that would give them fur- the very major pieces of legislation ther encouragement. which have not yet come before the House. I refer in particular to three MR SPEAKER: Please take that measures—in order of priority—that into consideration. is there is no mention whatsoever in the Minister of Parliamentary Af- fairs’ statement or previously about , B.OJi. ttfcCE#B& H, a S o

[Prof. P. G. Mavalankar] have waited sufficiently for tl|iity Government's intention to bring for- years. ttriitfly, l &oiiid 8ay that only ward a Bill for repeal of pension to lafrt week I mentioned about the former Mfctabers of Parliament. I atiti-defection Bill. The Home Minis* have been urging this matter again ter Cftkran Singh said on November abd again and again and again the t o that the Jandta Government Had Minister is replying that the matter is already got a draft ready for introduc- under consideration. He says that tion even in the last session. This some people like me are asking for Session is almost over. 1 know the in- total repeal whereas some people want tensions of the government are honest. ftore and, as such, the Government But the practice is otherwise. The are considering. Let them consider Minister’s answer says clearly that the either way but let them come to a de- fjroposals were sent to the Leaders of cision. I feel pension to a former Mem. the Opposition and I am surprised to ber of Parliament is wrong in prin- find a sentence here: "The reaction of ciple and also wrong in ethics. If the leaders of the opposition parties is awaited.” I want to know why the Members of Parliament are to be pro- leaders of the opposition parties or vided for, there are various legitimate independents whoever they are, are and honourable means of providing not responding to the concrete propo- for such things as is obtaining in sals whatever they are various parliaments of the world, but not in the manner in which the Emer- gency was used by the then Govern- SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tumkur): He ment to almost bribe those Members cannot cast aspersions like that. of Parliament. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: They SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN (Arkonam): must respond to this proposal so that I take exception to the expression the government can come forward 4bribe’ you should ask him to with- with a Bill to ban defections which draw that word. are corroding and eroding the very life of parliamentary democracy in MR. SPEAKER: Probably as an this country. inducement, not as bribery. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Sir. a PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: I do number of important resolutions are not fight for words. If you so desire there but the Business Advisory Com- I will withdraw it and use the word mittee had not fixed up any time for ‘inducement’ instead. I am on the discussing them. Important, progres- principle. Pension must go. Second- sive measures with regard to unemp- ly, I want the Minister of Pariia loyment problem, fixation of wages, mentary Affairs and Labour to bring unrest in universities, etc.. have been forward early in the Budget session a fixed as no day yet named motion. 1 comprehensive Bill for industrial re want some time to be fixed for dis- lations. This has been coming up cussing them as well as matters like again and again; even in the previous the Ganga-Cauvery link. Lok Sabha the government could not say when they would bring forward DR. VASANT KUMAR PANDIT: that Bill. I also want the govern- (Ra)garh): The Business Advisory ment to come out with some clue as Committee has decided that on Mon- to when they would bring in legisla- day there shall be no call attention or tion for providing free legal aid to the short notice question. poor. Reports on this matter have been under government's scrutiny and MR. SPEAKER: Nobody objected. I suppose the hon. Law Minister knows it; he had been replying to the DR. VASANT KUMAR PANDIT: points previously. The poor people Howsoever urgent and important the 281 B.3 .3 . AGRA^YA^A ^ (SAKAI B.Q.H. l i z ' government business might be, it is MR. SPEAKER: Is there any mo- one of the fundamental rights of Mem- tion pending? You are also in the bers to ask short notice questions Business Advisory Committee. and table call attention notices. This is the only forum in which we can SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We want only a small amending Bill to raise urgent matter. Next week is the be passed. You know, Sir, in Karna- last week. We are stifling this right. taka in Hansur area tobacco harvest- We would abide by the decision but ing will take place very soon. If the in future short notice and call atten- Tobacco Cess Act—i am not sure tion motions should never be barred which one; the two ministers give on any day howsoever urgent govern- two different versions— if the Act is ment business might be. not amended, auction platforms can- SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE (How- not be set up in those areas. It re- rah): We have been assured for long quires a small amendment of the Act. that the Industrial Relations Bill I have written and spoken to the will be brought in this session. Through- three ministers concerned but it has out the country, the workers are not been listed as Government Busi- awaiting it. I wamt a categorical assu- ness. rance from the Labour Minister as I have been trying almost all possi* to when it is being brought. A com- bie means to bring before the House mittee was constituted. They have the issue of Kapadia. Central Bank already gone into the recommenda- and Reserve Bank, which involves tions and was given the impression 1 misappropriation of Rs. 26 crores. from personal talks that everything is all right. I request the minister to MR. SPEAKER: Is there any mo- make it clear. tion pending? About privilege motion, I have not allowed him. SIpU VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- kil): We have given notice of a SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: A na- discussion on a very important report, tional weekly has come out with a widely publicised by the Health Mi- front page feature where the Finance nister, Shri Raj Narain, viz., the en- Minister has been charged that he is quiry report on the death of Dr. shielding the Chairman, namely Mr. Lohia. The matter was debated in Gupta and also one or two erstwhile the earlier Lok Sabha. There are Reserve Bank Officials and officials of certain very important matters to be the Banking Ministry. The D. N. pinpointed and we demand a discus Ghose Committee has given a report sion on it because it is a vey serious which, I am told, is not very compli- matter. mentary. It has revealed certain things. He was a hand-packed person SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- of Mr. Narasimham. The man was mond Harbour): I have spoken and Reserve Bank Governor the other day written to the concerned ministers and he has gone now to World Bank. time and again—the Minister of Law, I have tried to bring it here, but the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs some powerful lobby, is working in and the Minister of Commerce. In Delhi I have not been able to raise Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka, there this matter, which is a vital matter. are lakhs of tobacco growers who The Central Bank’s capital base of have been fleeced for decades and the Rs. 17 crores has been completely tobacco growers who are represented wiped out because Kapadia, Central in the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha, Bank Chairman, Reserve Bank Gov- have taken a decision to set up auction ernor and Banking Ministry officials platforms. This year because of the conspired to defraud it. devastation in Andhra, may not be able to do it for giving benefit to the MR. SPEAKER: Is there any mo- growers in Andhra. tion given by you pending? * 8 ) B.OJi. DECEMBER 16, lflt7 B.OJB. 284

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I have bill—about which their is no news given so many motions; you know it subsequently. Something should be v e r y welL told about what will happen to it also.

M R SPEAKER: If it is privilege, it On the first point, Mr. Speaker, Sir, ^does not com e in. you may kindly do something.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA please don't force me to cast asper- (Delhi Sadar): I want to make a sub- sions on the Chair. (Interruptions). mission. I think, Sir, you will recol- lect that the Business Advisory Com- MR. SPEAKER: This is not the mittee decided to have some sort of a occasion to speak on it. You have discussion on the rolling Plan. That raised the objection to the non-inclu- was & decision of the BAC in the last sion of another item. Which is the item session; in this session also you were you are referring to? kind enough to tell me that there will be a discussion. Even the Minister SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Time has of Parliamentary Affairs informed me to be found to discuss Central Bank’s many times that there would be a dis- business, because it is a serious charge, cussion on it: but I am sorry to say rir. thai the Finance Minister has been that this item has not been included influenced by Mr. Bhabha. his one-time in spite of my repeated requests. I boss and that the Finance Minister is wrote a letter to the Minister concern- shielding those who have misappro- ed and I had a talk also, with you Sir. priated Rs. 26 crores. I want an as- What is the idea of taking any deci- surance from you and the Minister of sion in the BAC unless it is imple- Parliamentary Affairs. mented? It is for you to tell us and to guide us as to what is to be done. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN (Can- This is a very important issue; and 1 nanore): Next week is the last week think every Member of the House will mi this session, and the last session of agree with me that this should be dis- ttiis year. If you remember it, the cussed in one form or the other, I do President in his Address to the House not insist on that very form, but it is said that this government would bring a matter concerning the destiny of the forward a legislation for repealing nation; and it should be discussed. MISA. I think there is no possibility of the legislation being brought forward next week. It means that we SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- will say good-bye to the promise given DER (Durgapur): I would like to by the President. I am surprised that draw the attention of the House to the -everybody is sitting quiet on it. In the urgent and important matter under Government going to bring the legisla- rule 377. tion during next week? if not, what is the remedy? It is something of which MR. SPEAKER: No. We have not the Chair should also be concerned, com e to rule 377 at ail. because that was an assurance given to the entire country through the House. SHRI KRISHAN KANT (Chandi- If the Government is not going to garh): I would like to add my voice bring forward a bill, then I propose and say that it was the commitment that my No day-Yet named Motion on of the Janata Government and of the that subject should find a place for Home Minister that a Bill for the re- discussion next week. peal of MISA must be introduced before the session was out. Even if Secondly, regarding the Coconut we cannot discuss it, I hope, Sir, you Board Bill, an assurance has been will kindly persuade the Government :given to various delegation that the and tell them that they must intro- ^Government is coming forward with a duce a bill for the repeal of MISA, B.OJf. AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) B.OJI. 286

It may not be passible for us to go affect the interests of the Members of to the States for elections. Other- Parliament, or former Members of wise, we will say we have not fulfll- Parliament. Therefore, I am suj*e, f lad the premise. the House would appreciate the need for consultation and the evolution of a consensus In this regard. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- Then he referred to the question TARY AFFAIRS AND LABOUR of a comprehensive Bill for industrial (SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA): A relations. I am very glad that the hon. number of hon. Members have voiced Member has raised it. I may per- their concern about the absence in haps be permitted to claim that the List of Government BuSsness for this matter is upper-most in m y the next week of many items of impor- mind, because I am the Labour tance. 1 have no doubt that many of Minister also. I think it is the matters they have raised are very very necessary to have a legislation important matters, and time must be of this kind as early as possible on found some time or the other to deal the statute book and I ran assure the with the items that they have refer- House that I have been trying very red to. It may not be possible for hard ali these days, on the basis of me to deal with every one of ihe the report that has come from the suggestions that were made, but I tripartite committee, to see that a shall deal wilh some of the main Bill is drafted, to be placed before points that were raised. the* House this ession. But, on a m a’ ter of this kind, it is necessary to be very careful about the drafting My hon. friend, Shri Mavalankar, of piece of legislation, which is a referred to the Repeal of the Act pro- comprehensive legislation dealing with viding pension to formed Members industrial relations. It has, therefore, of Parliament. It is right that this taken a little more time than we had matter has been engaging the atten- expected. I am sure that it would tion of the Government, and if a Bill be possible to introduce it in the very has not been brought in this regard beginning of the next session. before the House, it is because the Government realises that this is a On the other question of legal aid matter affecting many former Mem- which he has referred to, this is a bers of Parliament, and the pre- matter on which we hope there will sent Members of Parliament who some be no delay, and it will be possible time or the other may become former for us to come forward with a Bill in the next session. Members of Parliament. Therefore, it was felt that on an issue like this, Then he made a reference to the it is necessary to consult all parties, anti-Defeetions Bill. Here again, as so that the Bill affecting the Members he very rightly pointed out, we have of Parliament has the support of all sent a note to the leaders of the oppo- parties and all Members of Parlia- sition groups, and this too Is a matter ment. This process has taken some which is being discussed with the lea- time. This ha? been listed on the ders of the opposition. Perhaps the items for discussion with the leaders hon. Member is aware that two such of the opposition parties and groups, mor'ings have been held, particularly and we hope that in the course of the to deal with the amendments that we next few days a consensus would be propose to the Constitution, the anti- identified, on the basis of which it Defections Bill as well as the Bill re- would he possible for us to bring a garding pensions for Members of Bill on this subject. Nobody wants Parliament, and as soon as the discus- that in haste we should bring for- sions ar over, we would introduce ward a Bill which would adversely a Bill in this regard. 187 aOLH. DICKMBER 1* 1097 b x u l

PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: WiU SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: He to he assure the House that the Govern- almost a permanent invitee. Unfor- ment would not have more defectors tunately, he was not present at the in their party? For instance, Shri meeting of the BAC when a decision Chimanbhai Patel, the former Guj- was taken that we will not be able to arat Chief Minister and many more find time during the next week. But are coming. Would he give an assur- there will be a disussion on the Plan ance that tili the Bill comes at in the next session undoubtedly. least you will implement the intention? of the Bill, which will mean you Coming to my good friend, Shri Jyo- will prevent people from other par- tirmov Bosu. about the tobacco Bill, ties coming to your party. Now the we will take into consideration what defectors are coming to you in batal- he has said. About the other matter lions. that he raised, I think, he was not keen that the Government should find SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: The time next week to discuss it. He was opinion of the Janata Party about de- more keen that the House should know fections is well known. what he has in his mind.

Another point was the report on SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: What about Dr. Lohla’s death. The report was a discussion on the unemployment pro- placed on the Table last week, and blem? a motion has been given notice of. But it would not be possible to in- MR. SPEAKER: You did not raise clude that item for discussion next it today. weeko. That does not mean that the Government are against discussion. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: I raised it, It would be discussed some time. with your permission.

MR. SPEAKER: Please keep him 13 hrs. em ployed! My hon. friend, Shri Chandrappan, SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: We are supported by Shri Krishan Kant, rais- keen to keep him employed! ed the question of the repeal of MISA. This is a very important question. The SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: What is the Janata Party and the Government are reply of the Minister? committed to the repeal of MISA. We do hope, even if it is not possible for MR. SPEAKER: There are only four us to get through all the stages of days more. What can be done? the BiU, a Bill for this Bill be introdu ced in this session. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Abpu* Mr. Kapadia and the Central Bank Shri Kanwar Lai Gupta referred to will you kindly give us a little time discussion on the Plan. It is true that to discuss it? ie BAC had decided that there would a discussion on Plan in this session. MR. SPEAKER: You have made a But the BAC is also competent to re- sufficient disussion. $ vise its decision. Unfortunately, perhaps, my hon. friend who is more re- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I am con- gular than otherwise in attending the cerned that the Kapadia Lobby doee meetings of the BAC, was not not enter the Lok Sabha. Kindly givo present.... us a little time to discuss it.

1 | R , SPEAKER: He is not a member SHU K. LAKKAPPA: The Chlrf o f the B A C Minister o f U.P. is oootMtlnf an a fe Int«r«ft flfil AGRAHAYANA 28, 1899 (SAKA) Constitution 29c 7 (44th Arndt.) Bill Ho d. Thj election is on the 18th. To- lid&te sod amend thA law rdstiof'to morrow the House is not sitting. I want the allowance of interest in certain to draw the attention of the Govern- cases. m ent U> an important matter. There is a huge organisation of the Janata Party MR. SPEAKER: The question is: rfhich is preventing the Harijans from voting. Proper prote-^n should be ‘That leave be granted to intro- given to the Harijans. I request you duce a Bill to consolidate and to direct the Government to provide amend the law relating to the some protection to the Harijans there allowance of interest in certain so that there is a free and fair elec- c^ses” . tion. The motion was adopted.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The Bu- SHRI H. M. PATEL: I introduce siness Advisory Committee must find the BilL some time for a discussion on the Ka- padia and the Central Bank affair.

MR. SPEAKER: You are one of CONSTITUTION (FORTY-FOURTH the members of the Business Advisory AMENDMENT) BILL* Committee. THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I most AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI humbly request you to find some time SHANTI BHUSHAN): I beg to move for it. for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of India. MR. SPE A K E R : I cannot find time. MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved: SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: After “That leave be granted to intro- reading the front page article in the duce a Bill further to amend the Blitz if the House does not sit in Constitution of India.” judgment, if the House does not deliberate on it, we will be failing in our SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA duty. (Delhi Sadar): On a point of order. I do not want to oppose introduction MR. SPEAKER: You have already of this Bill. Rather I welcome it. But mentioned it. Don’t monopolise the there is a certain point on which I time of the House. would request the Chair and also the Law Minister to guide me. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Let him make a statement. The Forty-Second Amendment in the Constitution was made during the pe- MR. SPEAKER: It is for him to riod of Emergency. There were certain make a statement or not. vital changes made in the Constitution. In some cases even the basic features of Fundamental Rights were changed, though Parliament was not competent 13.4 hi*. to change them. This was the opinion of leading jurists in the country. But INTEREST BILL* the then Government was of the view that Parliament was competent THE MINISTER OF FINANCE to change anything in the Constitu- AND REVENUE AND BANKING tion and that Parliament was supreme. (SHRI H. M. PATEL): I beg to move All of us on this side of the House for leave to introduce a Bill to conso- now did not agree with the view •Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary Part II, Section 2 dated 16-12-1977. 291 Constitution DECEMBER 16, 191? (44th Arndt.) Bill 39*

[Shri Kanwar Lai Gupta] am not opposing U. That is why, I taken by the then Government, and did not write to you earlier. My hon. friends who are opposing it must have we are still of this opinion that the written to you. basic features cannot be changed by Parliament. 1 think you also agree SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: No. We with me. Now, we want to repeal, are not opposed to the introduction of through this Bill some of the amend- this Bill. ments made in the Constitution. It is a very welcome move and, as I said, I SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: I welcome It and I congratulate the did not say anything about Mr. Government and the Minister on this. Jvotirmoy Bosu. I do not know why But now the question this. How can is he is very angery with me. Parliament, which could not change the basic features of Fundamental SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA rights, make any changes now? That (Begusarai): May I rise on a point of is the question. For instance if you order relating to the point of order go through the Bill. . . . raised by the hon. Member? It is for SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- the consideration of the Chair that mond Harbour): Is he opposing the though in the past, points of order had introduction, Sir? If he is raising a been raised, in fact, with regard to the question of legislative competence, introduction of a Bill, it was done only then he can oppose. . . after the Bill had been introduced. As it is. there is nothing before the SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: I House. Unless there is something be- do not want to oppose. He may op- fore the House, there cannot be any pose. point of order. I would advise the hon. Member to come up with his MR. SPEAKER: What is the point point of order after the Bill has been of order that you are raising? introduced. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: My SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: The point of order is this. It is really a Minister introduced the Bill in the very funny situation... House, and I sought your permission MR. SPEAKER: Are you raising the to raise a point of order, and you per- question of legislative competence? mitted me.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Is he MR. SPEAKER: I have not permit- opposing the introduction0 ted you. I only wanted to know what was the point of order you were rais- MR. SPEAKER: Under the rules, ing. Both on rules as well as on law. you can do only two things: either you I cannot decide the matter because if can oppose the introduction on grounds it is a question of competence of the of legislative competence or oppose it Legislature that you are raising, then on other grounds. Are you on either it must be debated. And if the ques- of these two? tion that you are raising is. there is SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: I no such law, the Forty Second Consti- am not opposing it at all. tution Amendment is not a law at all, then that is a matter to be decided by MR. SPEAKER; Then there is no courts, not by me: there are definite point of order. You cannot rise on a rulings of this House on this. If any- point of order. body raises a questtOn that a particular law is invalid or valid then SHI KANWAR LAL GUPTA. I am the matter iK not to be decided by the absolutely a different thing. If I on Speaker, it is to be decided by courts. wanted to oppose introduction, then I I cease to be a part of the court, T am to you earlier. I would have written only a part of the Legislature. Constitution AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) (44th Arodt.) Bill 294

SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA; You came the Constitution (Forty-second are very much Speaker of this House, Amendment) Act. My friends sitting not only a Member. I do not want to on the Government benches, when take much of your time. It is really they were on this side with me, were a very funny situation. totally opposed to this Bill, tooth and nail, lock, stock and barrel. Let them MR. SPEAKER: Let us not make it not believe that I am opposed to the more funny by raising it here. contents of this Bill, but I am on the modality and manner of bringing this SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: My Bill in parts. They should have point is how can Parliament which brought a Bill for the total repeal of could not make any amendment in the the Constitution (Forty-second Amend- basic features of the Constitution, ment) Bill. That is my point. change anything which is basic in the Constitution now? You will see. Sir, that the unfortu- nate thing is that I was opposing the MR SPEAKER: This is a matter for Constitution (Forty-fourth Amend- the courts to decide. ment) Bill, as it was then called* October-November last year and it has SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: I become my duty now to oppose at the want to know’ the reaction of the introductory stage the Bill with the Minister. same number and nomenclature, the Constitution (Forty-fourth Amend- MR SPEAKER: I must give the deci- ment) Bill. Why? This is because sion on a point of order, not the the introduction. consideration and Minister. There is no point of order. passing of last year’s Constitution (Forty-fourth Amendment) Bill which l ’ROF. P. G. M A V A LXN K AR became Constitution (Forty-second (Gandhinagar): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I Amendment) Act was an obnoxious rise to oppose this Bill even though it measure, a notorious measure, a may sound strange and perhaps some- classic and shameless example of the what paradoxical too. I consider it cavalier and curt manner in which the my duty to oppose this Constitution then Government had got that Bill < Forth-fourth Amendment) Bill, which passed. There was no free debate, my friend, the Law Minister, has you will recall. Sir. I do not know brought before the House today. I where you w?ere there at that time: I am not, at this stage, on the contents was very much in this House. of the Bill: that I will take up next Monday when it comes for discussion MR. SPEAKER: Fortunately, I was hopefully sometime in the afternoon. not here. At this stage. I am opposed because as I said, I consider it my duty to do so. PROF. P. G. M A V ALAN K AR: Sir, there was no free debate in the coun- Normally, introduction of a Bill is try on the then Bill which later one a formality and 1 concede that unless became the Act. There was no free one has very grave points of opposi- comment in the Press and there was tion. one should not speak but because no free discussion in the Parliament. I have grave points in my mind, I want to sa\* now with all sinc^ity which agitate me greatly, I am taking and seriousness that a good number of this liberty and your permission to Congress Members themselves at that speak. I want to register my voice time told me in the Lobbies and later of dissent with friends of the Janata on in the Central Hall, that they agre- Party. I believe that the way this Bill ed almost entirely to what I said but has come is not correct. They should because of the Party whip, etc. they have really brought a Bill to repeal could not say so in the open House. the entire Constitution (forty-fourth That was the situation. Amendment) Bill, which later on be- 29$ Constitution DECEMBER 18, 1977 (44th Amdt.) Bill 296

[Prof. P. G. Mavalankar] opposes the motion and the member' Sir, not only the Parliament was who moved the motion, may, without misled but even the majority Party further debate, put the question*./’ then, the Congress Party could not That is the first part. speak out under the false idea of Party discipline and Party whip and they The second part is a greater debate decided to ignore their voices of dissent and that is when he opposes it on the and voices of conscience. Therefore, I ground that it is outside the legislative want to oppose this B ill... competence of the House.

SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: This So, the only objection you can take is a very serious matter. .. is that it is not a brief statement but it is a long statement. MR SPEAKER: It is not serious. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Th«U SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Kind- is all right. Therefore, I was saying fy listen to me. that last year in this Parliament when I was silghtly to the right of where I MR. SPEAKER: How many times am now sitting as an Independent then have I to do it? also .. .

SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: I SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Politi want to draw your attention to Rule callv° 72. ...

MR SPEAKER: Every minute you PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: . rise on a point of order. then also I oppose it and the Opposition were boycotting and many of :r>y esteemed colleagues were in jail and, SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Rule therefore, it was given to only ... 72 says:

“If a motion for leave to introduce MR. SPEAKER: These are matters of a Bill is opposed, the Speaker, aftar history. ... permitting, if he thinks fit, brief PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: It was statements from the member who given to some of us only to come to opposes the motion and the member the House and oppose it and we did it who moved the motion, may, without and the Division was 346 vs. 2 and further debate, put the question: vs. 4 and I happen to be one of the *' Provided that where a motion is and one of the 4. Therefore, I opposed opposed on the ground that the Bill it then and therefore, now, I am oppos- initates legislation outside the legis- ing this business of the Janata Party lative competence of the House, the not bringing in a total repeal Speaker may permit a full discussion thereon: ... ” I want you to kindly bear with me for a few minutes and see what the So, Sir, the only thing that he could Janata Party said about this 42nd oppose is regarding the legislative com- Amendment in their manifesto. 1 will petence of the House. not read the whole thing. I will only read out the relevant portion and very HR. SPEAKER: That is the second briefly. On page 3 of the mainfesto part There are two parts. Please this is what the Janata Party said: read R ule 72. It says: "The Constitution was amended to “If a motion for leave to introduce sanctify ... a BUI is opposed, the Speaker, after permitting, if he thinks fit, beriaf SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Is It statements from the member who a brief statement, Sir? 297 Constitution AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) (4£h Arndt) Bill 298

PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: "... is a betrayal, of the testament of fait]* and institutionalise a total concentra- that the founding fathers lbequathed tion of power in the hands of one to the people- and it subverts the individual ... basic structure o f the 1950 Consti- tution. It vitiates the federal MR. SPEAKER: You have made a principle and upsets the nice balance longer statement. Under the guise of between the people and Parliment, point of order, you have made a speech. Parliament and the Judirfary, the There is no point of order. judiciary and the executive, the States and the Centre, the citizen, SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Are and the Government. It is the cul- you allowing him to discuss the Janata mination of a conspiracy to devalue Party on the floor of the House? democracy that started with the ero- sion of the Cabinet system, the deli- PROF. P. G. M AVALAN K AR: I am berate and consummate scuttling of very much within my rights. ... democratic processes in the ruling party, ... SHRI JYOTIRM OY BOSU: He is speaking with your permission. MR. SPEAKER: If senior Members do not co-operate . .. MR. SPEAKER: But you are not. PROF. P. G. M AVALAN K AR: " . . . SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Wh^t is and the concentration of all power w rong in that? in the hands of leader who has been sought to be identified with the PROF. P. G. M AVALAN K AR: The nation or even to be placed above Janata Party manifesto says: it.”

4‘The Constitution was amended to In the same manifesto, if you see— sanctify and institutionalise a total only one line—on page 9, the Janata concentration of power in the hands Party whose manifesto I broadly en- of one individual — the Prime dorsed then and I endorse now, says: Minister.... Under the item ‘Political Charter*— point No. 5, they said: MR. SPEAKER: Everybody knows Seek to rescind the 42nd Amend, these things. ment.’

SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: 1 If the Janata Government is so serious want to ir ,)w, Sir ... about this rescinding’, how can they give legitimacy to the wrong Acts in- PROF. P. G. M A V A LA N K AR : It is very relevant. corporated in the Constitution, which I have described a little earlier? I MR SPEAKER: You cannot make a don't want to elaborate on this point. My point is that we should not give long speech. legitimacy to this kind of a thing and PROF. P. G. M AVALAN K AR: I am my opposition is to the manner in finishing in a few minutes, if nobody which this Bill has been brought for- intervenes including you, very kindly. ward. Why cannot the Government bring in a Bill saying, ‘The Forty The Manifesto says further: Second Amendment Act is totally re- “The authoritarian trends that had pealed’. Are they not doing it unfolded themselves over the past because of the fact of the congress few years were embodied in the party strength in the Rajya Sabha? 42nd Amendment which was bul- If that is so, let the country know ldozed through Parliament. To all that the Congress Opposition in the it an amendment is a misnomer. It Rajya Sabha is in opposition to this Constitution DECEMBBlt tt, 1977 (44th Amdt.) Bill 30c

[Shri P. G. Mavalankar] I would be failing in my duty if I do not point this out. We are now wit- measure which the people are want- nessing peculiar phase. Mrs. Gandfs ing, namely, total repeal of the 42nd party would be agreeing with some- Amendment Act. Therefore, Sir, 1 thing and then alone that can be pre- emphatically wish to point out that to sented to the House. In the end, they bring in this kind of a piecemeal will 6ay ‘Nothing doing we are not go- measure is a kind of betrayal oi faith ing to agree with you on other amend- with the people and the electorate. ments which we consider important That is my point. Government must then the Government would throw rescind the entire Forty-Second Amend- up its hands and say ‘We ment Act and come forward with a are not going to bring up those new Bill My friend Prof. Madhu amendments’. Are we going to Dandavate is sitting here. Two Minis- be silent spectators to this kind of ters of the Cabinet. Prof. Madhu Dan- thing? Is the hon'blc i-aw Minister davate and Mr. George Fernandes, going to assure the House that he will when they took the oath, said, they are stand by the pledges and promises to the Constitution except the loyal given to the people? Of course there 42nd Amendment Act. Therefore, can be marginal adjustments, nobody are they not bringing in this Bill? why can rule out marginal adjustments here and there. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): It There could be no difficulty about has been pointed out in the Court of this. Law that the allegation was wrong. Now. we are being told that if there PROF. P. G. M A V A LA N K A R : This were a comprehensive Bill, it might be kind of piecemeal approach is not at opposed in the other House and ulti- all wha* is needed. They must bring mately, it would fall through. If forward a new Bill and they must there is a comprehensive Bill, it would throw out the 42nd Amendment Act be open to my hon. friends Opposite Jock, stock and barrel. Thank you. to oppose parts of it. Who says that the Bill has to be opposed as a w’hole? I cannot understand this kind of logic. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: Let us state clearly and categorically I find myself in a great predicament that we stand for this kind of consti- because I cannot find myself in agree- tutional amendments and, let our ment with the spirit in which this friends, too in all fairness tell us clear- Bill is brought in or more properly ly that they would not be a party to the perspective or the strategy wfith the amendments of this kind. Thus which this Bill is pressnted to the we can present a full and complete House. picture to the people from whom we have derived the mandate to come to Although there can be no objection this House. to tbe corpus of the Bill—the Corpus the Bill is all right but if it goes of It is also a clear violation of the against the spirit of the pledge, we assurances given by the Government given to our people, wre have have that a emperhensive Bill will be thing to say to express our some brought before the House. It is for grave apprehensions in the matter. you and for the House to consider my serious doubts about the I have whether the Government is fulfilling wisdom of pressenting this Bill where- the clear and categorical assurance by Constitutional Amendments are given to the House in this matter. presented to the Hbuse in a piecemeal manner. I have grave apprehension I will take you to the record of the that Gtiremment is slowly falling in- proceedings of the House. Our estee- to tbe tiap laid by Mrs. Gandhi’s party. med President, in his gracious Address 301 CdiistituUm AORAfiAYAXA 25, 1899 (&AKA) (44th Amdt.) Bill $02

to the joint session of both Houses had So it is a violation of the assurance said: already given to the House and I want i the House to seriously consider this. “During the course of the year, a comprehensive measure will be placed before you to amend the Con- Then, Mr. Speaker, as it has been stitution.” pointed out by my hon. friend, Shri Mavalankar, we had given a pledge to Now, Sir. the hon’ble Law Minister the people. The people might now con take a technical view of the matter. conclude that we are sliding back or But it would be not in consonance backtracking on the pledge given to with the political view of the matter— them. I am also apprehensive that I am speaking of the political view, the people might think that we were in the purest sense. He may say that not as true as our words and that in we are still to end the financial year. fact we want to enjoy some of the But, then, 1 will take him to his own powers conferred by thaY amendment. words. This is what he had said; In other words it may be their fear here, the hon’ble Law Miniser told the that the emergency provisions in the House in answer to a question put by Constitution Amendment will give u s.. Prof. Samar Guha. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We are “Shri Shanti Bhushan: The Gov- surrendering to the black mailers. ernment proposes to bring a comprehensive measure for constitutional SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: amendment which will also cover Therefore, Sir, my submission is this. Forty-Second (Amendment) Bill and The point to be considered by you as the provisions would have to be also by this House is whether by adopted in order to finalise this omission, the Government is not en- decision of the Government.*’ dorsing the subversion of the Constitu- tion. The facts that have come Then again he said: to light before the Shah Commission clearly establish that the proclamation “The Government would be tak- of Emergency itself was ab initio void ing a decision thereon very shortly ’. So, a view can be taken that whatever amendments had been undertaken It was on the 5th of April that the during the period of Emergency are hon. Law Minister had said this. And invalid. It may be construed, there- then recently he told the Reporters in fore that the Government by ommis- September—this is also very impor- sion is becoming a party to the sub- tant—that the Janata Government will version of the Constitution if the Gov- bring forward in the November session ernment does not bring forth those of Parliament a comprehensive Con- amendments which will seek to undo stitutional Amendment Bill to undo the subversion of the Constitution. It Some of the changes effected by the is a matter of great constitutional im- previous regime. So. a promise had portance that the House should not been made in the House and even out- agree to the continuance of the sub- side the House that there would be a version of the Constitution as is im- comprehensive Constitutional Amend- plied in this Bill because this Bill doef ment Bill. not seek to undo many of the mischiefs done to the important provisions of He is now coming only with three the Constitution. or four clauses Bill. This does not fulfill the assurance given to the House. Further. Sir, would you kindly also Fortysecond Constitution Amendment not sympathise with the difficulty of Act relates to 59 clauses of the Con- the Members of the House in the matter stitution. This Bill seeks to amend of partial amendment of Article 226. only a few clauses of the Constitution. We are cleat that Article 226 has to be Constitution DECEMBER 18, 1977 (44th Arndt.) Bill

[Shri Shyamnatidan Mishra] T5$iw**mrr«rrar*TTtf, restored to its pristine glory and my ZW tf * WT T? t I party—I am speaking on behalf of my party—will not agree to any kind of amendment to Article 226 which does not seek to restore Article 226 in its SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: original form with for any other Sir. if any mandate was clearly given purpose? It is cardinal for us and we during the last elections it was that would like to see these things restor- 42nd Amendment must go log, stock ed again. My difficulty is that if that and barrel This was the commitment amendment also has to como— and I of the Janata Government. I would may assert with all emphasis that it like to know is it the policy of the will have to comt^— then should the present Government ihat because of the House be made to undergo the dredgerv composition of the Rajya Sabha de- of addressing itself to the same clause cicions have to be taken as to what two or three times. Why not have would be the Constitution of this coun- a comprehensive amendment? I am try. Therefore, unless we have the only iillustrating my point so far as good wishes of a party which had be- the difficulty the House would experi- lieved in evil and which tried to im- ence with regard to these constitu- pose dictatorship . .. tional amendments. With these words as I made it clear earlier I am not ( Interruptions) opposing the corpus of the Bill; it is too innocuous to be opposed. I object MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Chatterjee that to the perspective in which it is being not fair. placed before the House. Unless the SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayen- hon’ble Law Minister assures us that kiii: The hon. Law Minister has made we will stick to the pledge given to it clear in the House on an earlier the people and that in this very occasion that the Constitution (Amend- Session he would be coming with a ment ) Bill would come after discus- comprehensive Bill, I am afraid, he sion with the opposition Leaders ... would not be fulfilling the commit- (Interruptions) There are of course ments made to the people and to the his own party members. This is part House. of the discussion and I hope that a further Bill may come later. May 1 SHRI SOMNATH CHAITERJEE know from the hon. Minister whether, (Jadavpur): Sir, I want to seek a clari- when he was having discussions with fication. Members, of the Marxist Communist THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE Party which is functioning rnti- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI constitutional .... (Interruptions) They SHANTI BHUSHAN): Sir, the hon’ble are issuing notices, they are issuing Member cannot seek a clarification at summons. this stage. Either one has to oppose the Bill or support the grant of leave. MR. SPEAKER: It is not a point of There is no question of clarification at order ...... (Interruptions). this stage. Shri Chatterjee is not rising on a point o f order. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I have a point of order. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Sir, I rise on a point of order. MR. SPEAKER: On this?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: No. On what Shri Shymanandan Mishra sub- «r ro %rrtx f t v t s yx Stt mitted. I treat this with the contempt it deserves. 305 Constitution AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) (44th Arndt.) Bill 396*

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I also treat tain principles and that it vitiated.' lyhat you say with the utmost con. checks and balances and so on. When tempt you deserve ... a statement like this is made, it is a. statement which reflects on certain MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Please amending Act generally. There are resume your seats ... if you persist, various provisions. You have been it will not be recorded. Shri Bosu. an eminent Judge of the Supreme- Court and you are aware that there SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The are so many provisions in the 42nd House has to consider what Shri amendment and each provision stands Shyamnandan Mishra has said, he is by itself. It is an independent pro- the Deputy Leader and he has dis- vision. When a statement like this approved in clear language the intro- is made in regard to a comprehensive duction of the Bill although he has amending Act containing 59 clauses said that he did not oppose it. it is not that the statement applies ta cach invididual clause; the statement MR. SPEAKER: What is the point applies to most of the clauses which of order in that? arc there.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: In the SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: changed circumstances, in the light of May I draw the attention of the hon. the attitude of the Janata Party’s LawT Minister that— the political char- Deputy Leader, we know that he is ter in the manifesto clearly pledged opposing the very spirit of the Bill. to rescind the 42nd amendment. You have to give it all the consideration. SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: I have MR. SPEAKER: There is no point heard the hon. Members patiently of order. and I am equally entitled to that; if the hon. Members would hold their THE MINISTER OF LAW JUSTICE patience and give me the same cour- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI tesy which I give to them when they SHANTI BHUSHAN): I am grateful were speaking, I shall explain the to the hon. Members for the brief position. There might have been diffe- statements which they have made on rence of opinion whether it was brief this Bill and I also propose to be or not. I regard they spoke briefly. brief in my statement. With regard I also propose to be brief. The first to the objections that they have rais- point raised by Prof. Mavalankar was ed to the introduction of this Bill, I that a Bill should have been brought fully respect those feelings and senti- for the total repeal of the 42nd ments behind those objections. I take amendment Act lock, stock and" it that those objections arise from a barrel—a single line Bill stating that little misconception of the whole the 42nd amendment Act is repealed situation and I should like to allay should be brought and thereafter those misconceptions and give an another Bill should have been brought assurance to the House that there is for incorporating the amendments no question of the Janata Party or the which we want to have. For instance, Government going back on its com- article 39A is one of the directive mitment. There was the 42nd amend- princiules which casts a duty on the ment by which the Constitution was State to give legal aid to the poor. amended. Shri Mavalankar whom I It cannot be described as an amend- greatly respect read out from the ment which either sanctifies total manifesto to point out that the Con- concentration of power in the hands stitution had been amended to of an individual or vitiates the balance sanctify total concentration of power of power. So, his suggestion was that in the hands of an individual and that one Bill should be brought to repeal it constituted a departure from cer- the 42nd amendment and then another Constitution DECEMBER 16, 1977 (44th Amdt.) Bill 308

[Shri Shanti Bhushan] from the Constitution, and again, as Bill should be brought, w hich is a soon as it was deleted, if it tequired comprehensive one dealing with each ratification, could we bring another bill? .... (Interruptions) amendment made by the 42nd amendment Act. I will deal with both the SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: positions. It is w ell known that the Some amendment can come in. purpose of the 42nd amendment Act was to amend the Constitution. Its SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: Apart provisions provided that the from it, if a G overnm ent brings a Constitution shall stand amend- measure saying that clause 39-A shall ed in a particular way. The be deleted; suppose an amendment provisions had to bo brought into i.s moved by another hon. Member force on specific dates which had to that thai particular clause of the bill be laid down by the government. should be deleted, and the question Most of the provisions of the 42nd engages the consideration of the Act have already been brought into H ou se namely to accept it or not; and force. May be one or two provisions the scope of the amendment is that were yet to be brought into force. there is a duty imposed on the State Sir, I appeal to your great experience. by Article 39-A viz. to give legal aid If just a repealing Bill had been to the poor—and the speech made in brought, would it serve the purpose of support of the bill is that there is no amending the Constitution? After reason to delete this particular clause, these provisions have adready come simply because it was said that the into force and achieved the purposes bill had been passed without a proper for which they had been brought, a discussion and debate. That kind of repealing Bill would not serve the thing has always been said. But purpose of restoring the Constitution there is now no impediment to any to its original shape and form. It discussion and coming to a conclusion. would have been completely futile. So, before any measure is brought T>f course, those provisions which were before the House, obviously, there yet to be brought into force would should be an application of mind on have been prevented from being the point: do we want this particular given effect to and to that extent a clause 39-A or any other matter which potential threat of further amendment might have been brought from the in respect of two or three articles State List to the concurrent List etc. would have been averted. Take for instance Education. Educa- tion was in the State List. It was As I said, some people have said brought to the Concurrent List by the that a single line Bill to repeal the 42nd Amendment Act. Obviously, 42nd amendment Act should have been before such a formal measure as a brought. That would not serve the bill is brought before the House, the purpose. The other proposal is, there people who want to bring that bill could have been another Bill with 59 have to make up their minds and clauses saying, “This clause shall stand decide whether they want to keep a deleted from the Constitution” and particular subject in the State List or so on. Of course, some saving pro- the Central List. If it is in the Con- vision would have had to be made. current List and they want to keep it You cannot bring two. If you to-day in the Concurrent List, then—with bring a measure for the repeal of a the limited understanding that I have particular clause, can you, thereafter, —it would not be proper at all to turn round—after this has been bring a bill, to take it from the Con- adopted—and bring in another current List in which it might be to measure, viz. to restore it, and put it the State List first, and after it has back, viz. clause 39-A in the same been taken to the State List, then seestan? Could one measure be again to bring it back from the State bSM^M in order to delete clause 39-A List to the Concurrent List, and so en. 309 Constitution AGRAHAYANA 25, 10» (SAKA) (44th Arndt.) Bill 310

Constitution is an important matter. SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: The ,The matter of amending the Consti- hon. deputy leader has served an im- tution camiot be treated very lightly. portant public purpose tiz. calling In fact there has been criticism attention to this matter, so that there against the measures which had been may be no confusion in the matter. brought in the past, that such a sacred and solemn matter like the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: In an amending of the Constitution, was open forum? being treated lightly. ( Interruptions) If that is so, there must be a proper SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN. His in- debate, proper consideration and por- tention was to give me an opportunity per application of mind to each and to clarify these very important matters, every clause first. so that there may be no confusion in the public mind at any place. I am PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Has very grateful to him lor that. Other- there been a debate on this; has there wise, people who are interested in been a debate on what you are doing carrying on propaganda, they might now? Where is the debate? Nobody have carried on some propaganda, knows it. (Interruptions) and some coc/^sion would have arisen. So, I am grateful to the Deputy Leader SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: Yes. A for having made that statement for the debate has been going on throughout purpose of enabling me to take this the country. After March, the atmos- opportunity to put the record straight phere of stifling debate has not been as to what the intention of the Gov- there. Even during Emergency—even ernm ent is, what the Governm ent pre- you, sir, are a witness to the fact— pose to do about it. in spite of the then prevailing stifling atmosphere, many of us had gone round the country and successfully Something was said in regard to carried on a debate. Prof. Mavalan- piecemeal measures in regard to such kar will not forget it. We carried on a document like the Constitution a debate,, even during the oppressive (Forty-second Amendment; Ac;. May period of the Emergency; and that I remind the hon. Members of this debate has been continued ever since. House that this piecemeal approach has The Press has also been expressing ^ts been adopted and has bccome necess- views; various Bar associations have ary for certain reason? This is not been appointing committees; many the first time today that this piecemeal seminars have taken place; and approach has been adopted. In fact, committees have considered the may I remind the hon. Members of this matter and submitted reports. Many House that in the very first session, individuals have been sending their after this Government took over, this views. The matter has been discussed piecemeal approach in regard to the in many forums, even in party Forty-second Amenment Act has been forums and so on. That is why it adopted in this House itself, with the was decided.... permission of the House. In the very first session the Fourty-third Amend- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; Your ment Bill has been introduced with the deputy leader is opposing it on the permission of the House, with the un- floor of the House. animous permission of the House, and one of the matters w’hich is contained SHRI SH ANTI BHU SH AN ; He is in this Bill was also in that Bill, not opposing. namely, article 31B. So far as that Bill is concerned, it is still there before SH RI JYO TIR M O Y BOSU: He is. the House, and it deals with various ( Interruptions) other articles of the Constitution, like PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: What the> term of the Lok Sabha as well as about a free national debate? the State Legislative Assemblies, which 311 Comtttvtkm DECEMBER 18, 1977 (44th Arndt.) Bill

[Shri Shanti Bhushan] an assurance that the Government had been sought to be increased from propose to do it this year. five years to seven years. That Bill is already before the House. So far as MR. SPEAKER: He has answered this Bill is concerned, it also deals your question. What he said was that with the clause of the Constitution. he w'ill try to persuade the other side The reason why this Bill had to be to agree with you and then do it. brought___ But if you think they are not agree- able on important matters where you MR. SPEAKER: The reason every- consider an amendment is necessary, body knows. even then he shall bring the amendments. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Would he give an assurance that all the other undesirable things would SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: be removed later on? My humble submission then is that the Government should say that it SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: Yes. does not find it possible to honour the We want a dialogue with the opposi- commitment given to the House. Se- tion. Not that we are afraid and, condly, the Government might not therefore, we will not bring a measure succeed in getting what they want from only because it is not supported by the Opposition while the Opposition the opposition parties. After the dia- would succeed in retaining the soul logue and discussion, if something of Emergency that they have built which we feci should be amended is into the Constitution intact. So, I say not acceptable to them, we will still that it must be a comprehensive Bill. bring that measure before the House. Whatever amendments the Govern- It is another matter. The dialogue ment propose to bring they should has been carried on. it is going on, come forward with them. They and I am very hopeful that there should not come in a piece-meal would be no difficulty at all. But if manner. there are some articles in regard to which we feel that there should be SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I fully amendment and there is no coopera- support what my hon. friend, Mr. tion forthcoming from the other side, Shyamnandan MLshra has said. that will not prevent us from bringing those matters also before this House PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Let and the other House. us have an assurance as to how soon the Minister will bring it. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: The simple question is whether the MR. SPEAKER: I am not allow- hon. Minister stands by the commit- ing others who have not given prior ment to the House namely, to bring notice. I put it to the vote of the up a comprehensive Bill. House. MR. SPEAKER: He has said that. The question is: SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: The commitment was to bring it dur- “That leave be granted to intro- ing this session. duce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of India.” MR. SPEAKER: He did not say in this session. The motion was adopted.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: I in- In the President’s Address there was troduce the Bill. 3 i3 Matters under AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) Rule 377 -314

SHRI KRISHAN KANT (Chandi- lists and non-journalist employees'in' gfarh): Sir, before you go to the the newspaper industry. This has next item, because I had not given my been conveyed to the Prime Minister, name earlier, I would like to know as it is reported. The decision to from the hon. Minister one thing. boycott was on the issue of giving This is the President’s Address dated adequate interim relief to working 28th March, 1977. They have stated journalists and non-journalist em- here that during the course of the ployees and the tycoons have opposed year, a comprehensive measure will the inclusion of a veteran politician be brought before the House. I want and an eminent trade union leader, an assurance from the hon. Minister Shri B. C. Bhagwati and another mem- that this Bill must be brought before ber. This situation by the newspaper 28th March, 1978. tycoons was created on the pretext that Shri Bhagwati and other non- SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: It may official member was trying to protect be difficult to bring forward a com- the interests of the working journa- prehensive Bill in this session. It will lists and other non-journalist enm be brought forward in the early stages ployees Shri Dutt, the other member of the next session. was also a member of the fact-finding cDmmittee on daily newspapers SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRISH- and, therefore, his stand was also bas- NAN (Coimbatore): There has been ed on first-hand knowledge of news- a reference to the President’s Address. paper working. Everybody is very seriously concerned about one other matter. I would The Government should now inter- also like to know, what about the vene in the matter and ensure that other commitment for the repeal of the working journalists and non- MISA which we have been asking for. journalist employees get adequate interim relief which is justified by the MR. SPEAKER: That had already rise in the present cost of living index. been raised. (ii) N o n -A vail abil ity o f S t r e p t o - m y c i n m e d i c i n e

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- 13.57 hrs. DER (Durgapur): Mr. Deputy- [Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair] Speaker, Sir, I would like to draw the attention of the House to an urgent matter of public importance under M ATTERS UNDER RULE 377 rule 377.

UA* m . strike since the last three days. The Maharashtra Government is paying ( i ii ) S v k i a t A t o m i c P o w x b about Rs. 500 crores, out of their S ttT O M IN JC/BTA total revenue of Rs. 1,300 crores, to the employees. Moreover, the State •ft w rfN r mm i (*rta<.) • Government extended the financial $ WT flft IfT w w ijitfw ’TTOT assistance beyond the recommends* tion of the Bhole Commission. It wine, * t n if *r t cfN m ay not have satisfied the em- ^ itft *ftT fatVIHI IT^TT ployees and their leaders. f I *T< ^TITT It may be worthwhile to mention W*f ft WT | I $«dlH % that all the State Governments are VRW nr «nwr ^IPT it in financial difficulties and their total claim amounts to Rs. 1,000 ITT JTWM ft TfT ^ I crores—for assistance from the « * inft *ft % IfT % t{* F %rTWf Central Government. It is the primary duty of the Central Govern- *ftT UfOTTfvff *Ft ®HT TT flVliVlT o ment to regulate and control the ^ . r t «n i ^ w i f id i «r*fr I $ >*HHI 'fifldl ment. Surprisingly enough, an Union Minister is instigating the £ ft itf % vfawfon * employees to go on with the strike Wllrtft VT WT *THT | ? rfR with an ulterior political motive to topple the Congress Government % «Tf f?? rm * n t «TT T^t $ I there. It is reported that this Cen- sin*fta «nr ^jft sft f, I tral Minister has given an assur- TO% W B it fwtfa •fT ance to the strike leaders that the Centre will help them to carry on with their agitation against the State Government. A representa- ( i v ) INDEFINITE STRIKE BY M AH A- r a j b b t r a g o v e r n m e n t e m p l o y e e s tive of the Confederation met the Minister and got this assurance. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- In this background it is worthwhile kil): Sir, I may be permitted to raise to remember that the Chief Minis- the following urgent matter under ter, Mr. Vasant Dada Patil, said rule 377:— yesterday that “the strike has been The employees of the Maharash- timed to begin from 14th Deceit* tra Government are on an indefinite ber because the strike leaders feel 317 Supreme Court AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) (Number of j i g Judges) Arndt. Bill SVW that, by 39th December, the Sir, the Bill is a very simple one. < Centre would dismiss his Ministry As the hon. Members are aware, the and oorae to terms with the strik- Constitution contains a provision ers”. The action oi this Central which limits the number of judflet Minister is against the Constitu- which can be appointed to the tional propriety and is a naked in- Supreme Court, but it contains an tervention into the affairs 0I the enabling provision that until the State. The instigation by the Cen- Parliament by law otherwise provides, tral Minister is politically moti- with the result that the Parliament vated and it can only help to wor- has the power to authorise the sen the Centre-State relations.... appointment of judges even in excess of the number which has been laid MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; It is down in the Constitution. It is be- only an alleged interference. cause of this that earlieri also the Parliament has authorised the appoint- AN HON. MEMBER: It is a wild ment of judges to the extent of 13 allegation. judges in addition to the Chief Justice. That was the existing pro- SHRI V AY ALAR RAVI: It may be vision. worthwhile to recall the unwanted utterances of the Union Minister Shri George Fernandes, against the State A s the hon. Members are aware, Government while he was visiting the arrears and delay of administra- certain States like Assam and Andhra tion of justice have assumed alarm- Pradesh. It is necessary that the ing proportions all over the country Union Ministers must function within including in the Supreme Court also. the framework of the Constitution As I had occasions to say earlier, and they should not indulge into such while the pendency of cases in the activities which will harm the in- Supreme Court in 1962 was 1700 and terest of the nation. I would request odd cases, this figure has gone up to the Prime Minister to take note of the 14,700 and odd cases pending in the activities of his Ministers and control Supreme Court on 30th April, 1977. them so that they function within the framework of the Constitution.

It was said that it was a w ild alle- While other measures are being gation. It may be a wild allegation, considered and discussions are going but it is a fact. on in various forums, various seminars and symposiums are taking place in the country, the members of the Bar Associations and Bar Council of 14.05 hr*. India are applying their mind to thia problem of delayed justice. As the entire House is aware, the backdrop SUPREME COURT (NUMBER OF of democracy is the rule of law and JUDGES) AMENDMENT BILL the ri»ie of law requires not merely that a person should have a right to THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS- go to \ court of law for enforcement TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS of his legal rights, but it is also neces- (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): I beg sary *.hat not only he has an op- to m ove: • portunity to go to a court of law, but “That the Bill further to amend he mi'it get the result from the court the Supreme Court (Number of of law also with in a reasonable time. Judges) Act, 1956, be taken into Unless the court is able to enforce his consideration”. legal rights within the reasonable

•Moved with the recommendation of the President. 319 Supreme Court DECEMBER 16, 1877 (Number of Judges) Amdt. Bill [Shri Shanti Bhushan] as and when, it becomes necessary to lime, there would really be no rule have more judges. It would also *of law; there would be theoretical not be right for the Government to Tale of law and not practical rule of keep on coming to the Parliament law. Mere increase in the number of every time. That is why, we are Judges alone cannot be a solution; seeking by this Bill to get the autho- therefore, this discussion is going on rity and sanction of the Parliament to .in various forms. The judges are have the strength of the judges in also applying their mind; the Sup- the Supreme Court increased by reme Court is also applying its mind four. That is the authority to in- so that this problem can be effective- crease them by 4. It may be that ly solved and we can be proud of our straightaway the entire increase may administration of justice m this coun- not be filed because as there are other try and the common man can feel questions, other facilities like Court 4hat he does not remain oppressed rooms and so on and so forth, so tc and deprived of his legitimate and the extent that it is found necessary legal rights on account of the delays and feasible and without having to which take place in the adjudication come before the Parliament again, this of those controversies and in the en- limited authority to increase the forcemert of his legal rights. strength by 4 is being sought by this Bill.

So far as this Bill is concerned, it I hope that so far as this Bill is has been brought for seeking autho- concerned, unljke any other Bill, rity to increase the number of jud- there would not be a single voice of ges in the Supreme Court to the ex- dissent on this Bill and the spirit be- tent of 17 in addition to the Chief hind this Bill would be appreciated Justice of India. 1 would like to because this is so far as justice is con- assure the hon. House that while this cerned. Of course, it has become power is being taken, this power axiomatic and people say that justice would be exercised to appoint more delayed is justice denied. At the judges in the Supreme Court only so same time, I would also like to cau- long as it is necessary to decide cases tion that whenever it is said that jus- quickly. If a situation arises when tice delayed is justice denied, some it is not necessary to have all thuse people come forward with the next judges, naturally as and when judges namely, that justice hurried is justice retire, more appointment would not buried. Therefore, while the pro- be made. This is merely an enabling cess of justice has to be speeded up, measures. Of course, if it becomes it has to be speeded up in a manner necessary also after other measures that so far as the quality of justice have been tried for a further increase, is concerned, it does not deteriorate the Government will have to come in the slightest. I have no doubt that ior further increase in the number of when all the minds in the country judges In fact. Some amendments and all sections of the society are have been given in which the hon. now engaged on a proper solution of Members want that the authority this problem, it would be possible to should be given by Parliament to the find out and evolve waya and methods Government to make appointments by which it would be possible for even to the extent of thirty judges this country even to show a lead to and 50 on- * some amend- the rest of the world and to find out ments are there to this effect. While ways how the process of justice could I appreciate their kindness in this re- really be speeded up without allow- gard, obviously it should be the duty ing the quality of justice to deterio- o, I consider it necessary and reason for much of the delay is the my duly to make some comments for clumsiness and complicated procedu- the consideration of this hon. House ral provision existing now. I am and auo the hon. Minister. glad the hon. Law Minister has said on more than one occasion that he I an glad that the Law Minister has found out a formula or is in the himself has agreed that a mere in- process of finding out a formula by crease in the number of Judges is not which within one year from the time a solution to cut down the arrears and the suit is filed upto the appellate to sreed up the rate of disposals. stage the entire process w’ill be over. If you go into the Statement of Ob- My best wishes are always with him jects and Hensons, certain figures are and if he can do so he will really be given which speak for themselves. doing a great service to this country. In I960 the number of Judges was My genuine well-wishes are with him increased from 10 to 13. That is 3 in finding out such an effective for- judges more were to be appointed mula. thereafter. But you will find the increase in the institution of suits was While amending the Civil Proce- 5000 between I960 and 1976. It was dure Code last year, we made a pro- 3241 in 1960 and in 1976 it wras 8254. vision for a time limit within which So. roughly there was an increase of judgments should be delivered. What 5000. But the arrears is an astonish- I say, though not strictly relating to ing figure. It increased by about 12000 the present Bill, is relevant in the In 1960 the figure was 2319 and in sense that certain procedural im- 1^76 it was 14109. So the institution provements have to be made. The was in the range o f 5000 but the ar- other day I read this in connection 3066 L. S..— II. 3*3 Supreme Court DECEMBER 16, 1977 (Number of Judges) CArndt. Bill [Dr. V. A. Seyid Muhammad] of judges to the Supreme Court, tne with the evolving of a code of con- criteria should be only competence duct for the judges, that some of the and seniority should not be the cri- judges resent prescribing a certain pe- terion at all. I entirely agree with riod within which judgement it. But, at the same time, there has should be delivered. I don't know been a sort of dichotomy and contra- why anybody should resent it. As far diction in the attitude taken In cer- as courts other than Supreme Court tain quarters. In the matter of ap- is concerned we have made the am- pointing puisne judge, seniority is no endment in the Civil Procedure Code consideration but only merit. But,, fixing a time limit within which for the purpose of appointing the judgment should be delivered. That Chief Justice, seniority is the consi- sort of limitation,—I would even say deration. I cannot understand this reform—in the legal procedure is logic. If the puisne judges should be something which has got to be done appointed only on merits and not on and it should not be taken as inter- the basis of the seniority, how does ference in anybody’s conduct or ques- it become a criterion in the matter of tioning his prestige or his ability appointment of Chief Justice if merit These are some of the necessary re- is subsidiary but seniority alone is the forms you have to bring about. criterion. I think that we are entitled to get an explanation in this re- Coming to the difficulties arising gard. Because this deals with the out of clumsiness, I would point out appointment of judges, w*e are entit- that Justice Krishna Ayyar, a great led to know what are the criteria for authority on the subject, has deli- the appointment of puisne Judges and vered a series of lectures in the Nag- why the criteria which are valid in pur university. To some extent righ- the case of appointment of a puisne tly and to some evtent not so rightly judge of the Supreme Court cease to he has criticised what he called cluir- be valid in the case of appointment of sy and complicated drafting. One may the Chief Justice of the same Court7 not fully agree with his pharaseology, Sir. with these apprehensions and but one should certainly support his doubts. I fully support the Bill. I view that by making the drafting am sure that knowing well the pres- more simplified and understandable sure of work in the Supreme Court, and clearer we are doing a great ser- there is a necessity for increasing the vice. The Law Minister, with his number of judges. Subject to these great experience, knows this, because observations andn submission that I he has got considerable experience in have made. I support the BiL actual litigation work. On the interpretation of certain phrases, litigation has gone upto the stage of the Supreme Court. I do not say that even in the simplest form of drafting, the problem of interpretation will fVrr giRT % W T VT not arise. Certainly it will arise. ^ | u fe I9 60 But, we can certainly avoid much of the unnecessary litigation if the ex- t ic,60 ^ pression, the drafting, the phraseolo- t ' z v w t 1 9 7 6 gy etc., are much simpler. cfT c;7 I would like to mention one thing and then I will finish with my sub- t - missions. The Law Minister in connection with the recent appointment I960 5R 32*'1 of judges to the Supreme Court made flflT 1976# 825- * a point with which I fully agree. The point wug that in the appointment ] 9 6 0 * 2 3 1 8 325 Supreme Court AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) (Number of 326 Judges) Arndt. 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if f t t $ ther increasing the number of judges is the only solution. The minister * •3!TtT 1 surely appreciates the difficulties that are being faced like laws delays. De- t ms mmrTT g fjp an *rt srnnMr mocracy cannot function properly if W Tinr?r wwz it qn>?n t't the judicial system does not work properly and if the people do not get ?r JiTrfr | *?, zrw> ^ 1 1 ^r^ft d m only speedy justice, but justice with- fTirir «n f a * z z =n r>*r *rr^ r m out much expense. Therefore, this is probably only an ad hoc measure. Let fmw ^tt ft «rr 1 srnr ?tt g|?r us have some idea from the minister m* *kz r. i\ to f ssfrro jttttt as to what is to be done. We have «PT 1TTT it T*T 5TpT wrtT STPflfrfz fr oTT been fed up with generalisations and assurances for years about legal aid, Tffr £ I *r *T*T5T'TT i. fa f e ^ f a i r STT'T; minimising laws delays and provid- *?t t m ?j t ? ?pfr ^ rrf^ i ing inexpensive justice to the people.

'imrTrfwr tt w xz f a n tsrpn SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: Let 1 him gave some suggestions. I will implement them. ttw: ?r fa*? wm w* t t $ ^nrrw SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: If 7. I V 7. i T * T T vt fa 3ifm o r you cannot make up your mind for *fr t t '*fr jttxht w r ^mr 1 want of suggestions, certainly I shall cooperate with you and give sugges- TXf. *nfr ?t •tttt I -* ^ wfR 5r ^nfr tions. In a vast country like this, srtr ^fiTT T'Tz ir ^rr fjrafar % people in different economic strata in society are forced to come to Delhi. ^TT it fT*T *Ftf *3T*T 7>fhTT ZWlrW WT I Either they are dragged by the rich rr^r j h t ? it 5*nfr * ^rsfi people or for their own protection jfTr sr zfr it fonr ^httt. fit they have to come to the Supreme Court. Can they afford it? In this jpt£*t »p fm *fri % w tft f^rfspr country, even while talking of leeal ir grt it m fa*n vm? % fa rn r znm 1 aid, it has never been even contemplated that you will pay for their journey to Delhi and for staying in Delhi. *rs?T ar *rro it r*r for *t t So, has; not the time come to have tPT'TIT*a wtptt » s r r m some sort of Circuit Benches of the ir fan; 7TT jj I Supreme Court? This is a matter of great importance. If I am not mistaken, some proposal had been moot- SHRI SOM NATH CHATTERJEE ed. but probably there was some op- (Jadavpur): Sir, this should be a position by the then Chief Justice of non-controversial Bill. In view of India. I want to know from the the number of cases pending natural- government whether they have any ly one of the measures is to increase such proposal. Kindly think of peo- the number of judicial officers. Sup- ple in Kerala, Tamilnadu, Karnataka, remo Court being the last Court, na- etc. In spite of Mr. Lakkappa’s pre- turally people want to take their last sence here, they have great difficul- chance before it. Especially during ty in reaching Delhi. Think of the the last emergency, so many oppres- people in West Bengal and other sive laws, decisions and executive areas of the eastern region. You orders were passed and people have should atleast make justice available to come to the Supreme Court in to the people as near as possible. the ultimate analysis. Therefore, I support the increase in the number of The question of legal aid must be Judges. But I would like to ask whe- tackled and tackled soon. Then there Supreme Court DECEMBER 16, 1977 (Number of Judges) 332 Amdt. Bill [Shri Somnath Chatterjee] 359 of the Constitution of India. is the question of overall law reform Therefore, let us have a proper ap- and alteration of procedural laws. 1 proach, and see whether the intention hope all these matters will be taken is to give real relief to the people of upt Let us not judge the me- this country, or not, with public mo- rit of a court on the basis of dispo- ney. During the last regime the peo- sals of cases. According to me, the ple of this country had no right to true test of justice is not the number live or to any privileges. Such argu- of disposals but the number of real ments we hear from the Attorney decisions. One of the Chief Justices General. You have to see that the of Calcutta High Court said, there real beneficiaries of a judicial admi- seems to be a tendency in some quar- nistration are the people. Not the ters to somehow dispose of eases, not lawyers—I agree. You have lawyers like this. You have constitutional decide cases. That should not be the approach. Through figures you can- provisions like this. You have to not find out whether a judge is good think of changing those portions of or bad; or whether the court is doing the 42nd Amendment, with the bless- its duty to the people or not. For ings of those who have been respon- that, two things are necessary. Firit, sible for completely subverting the we want a better Bench; and second Constitution. I would request the a better Bar. Both are complemen- Law Minister ‘Don't go by ad hocism, tary here. We in the Bar contribute a n d don’t get inspiration from the substantially in delaying cases. I do people on that side of the House. If not know whether Mr. Shanti Bhu- you do it, you will finish yourself. shan successfully did it. But in some You have not been able to solve many cases, once we get injunctions, law- of the problems. People are still to- yers do help the clients. We must lerating you. To-day, the economic have better judges* Mr. Shanti Bhu- conditions are bad. You have not shan has not been persuaded to go to controlled the rise in prices. Even to- the Bench. The reason may be either day, MISA is on the Statute Book of money, or he knew that he would be this country. Even the working class here as Law Minister. He dissuaded is not to-day getting its legitimate himself from going to the Bench. The dues. People are going to tolerate previous Law Minister did go to the vou for some time, provided you show Bench and when he came down that you are involved in the pro- "here, he did it to suport all the mea- cess of undoing the mischief and sub- sures that were directed towards versions of democracy. Don’t go by crushing the Judiciary. These f re bureaucratic advice alone; and don’t matters to be looked into. get into the groove into which others had fallen.** My appeal to the Law M inister :s this: "It seems that the hang-over of This bill is a non-controversial one; the Emergency is still continuing. You but we always take the opportunity have not been able to get out of it. to say many things; and, I am being Emesgeocy has percolated so much instigated all the time by Mr. Lak- into the corridors of North Block, kappa. It seems he has got some grie- South Block, Shastri Bhavan etc., that vance. One thing is obvious. Pro- you have got yourself immersed in bably what he wants to say is, al- it," I would not mention that matter though he did not practise what he which is going on; but 1 was hearing now wants to preach, that judges with greatest agony and anguish to- should be good judges, you should day that the present Attorney Gene- select good people for the posts of ra] is argukig, to deprive some people judges. But his idea of goodness is of ttoeir legitimate dues and saying different from mine, fcven then, let that Emergency laws cannot be chal- me trust the bona fides of Shri Lak- lenged, because o f A rticles 358 and kappa. 333 Supreme Court AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) (Number of 334 Judges) Arndt. Bill Therefor*. please select Judges, not MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: In any on other considerations but on merit, case, this Bill will not be over today. With these words, 1 support the Bill. At 3 O’ Clock we will take up non- I hope the hon. Minister will keep in official business. I can give him more view the crying needs of the people. time, but then he will be the only This is not just our election speeches speaker from the Congress side. and stunts, this is what is being felt by the people. Rightly or wrongly, SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN : Sir, as fortunately or unfortunately, I have the opening speaker said, we are not come to this profession—I arr. not re- objecting in that sense. We are in ferring to the political profession but agreement with the Bill. But, as I said, leual profession. We see many things I propose to be critical, and I hope from inside which my hon. friends the comments that come from us would not be knowing to that extent. would be duly considered by the Tn view of our profession, we are pro- hon. Minister. bably in a better position to realise how things are being done, how laws This is not the first exercise. In are being implemented, how the judi- fact, this is the third exercise. The cial process is working. first one was in the year, 1956, that is, six years after the Constitution I know this Government is not came into force, when his predecessor directly concerned with the State rose in his seat and said “we want judiciary. Kindly go to any of the three more judges to be added”. distric* courts in any district in India. So, 7 plus 3, it became 10. At that You will find that judges have no time, it looked as though these pro- place to sit, there is not adequate staff, cedures about which the present Law no place to keep documents and there Minister was speaking would be sim- are leaking roofs. Some of the mun- plified and there would be no need siffs have got even good tin roof for addition of further judges. It or that made of corrugated iron looked like that. Naturally, the House sheets. This is the position. The ex- agreed and the number of judges be- perience of my esteemed friend, Shri came 10, exclusive of the Chief Jus- Nathwani, is there. What is being tice. done in this direction? Therefore, we -should not think only of extending Again, within four years, in 1960, a the fl°°r area of the Supreme Court proposal came up before the House people, without giving greater justice and they wanted to increase the num- to the people, or eisler justice to the ber of judges by another 3 judges. people at the lower level. This is a Now, it stands at 13 judges, exclud- point which I would request the hon. ing the Chief Justice. The reason Law Minister to look into and so given is the time-honoured one, that whatever he can. the arrears are mounting up and it is not possible to dispose of the cases expeditiously and, therefore, there SHRI O. V. AL AGES AN (Arko- should be more judges. The same nam) : Sir, I want a little more time reason which the present Law Minis- tecause I want to be critical. ter has given was given earlier also. I will come to that later on. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Some are partially critical and some are We were treated to copious passage -wholly critical. I cannot give time on from the manifesto of the Janata Party that basis. this morning by the obliging members. One of the chief things that the SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola): Janata P arty said ii* its manifesto I suggest that we should extend the was the independence of judiciary as time for this. if only the Janata Party is solicitous 335 Supreme Court DECEMBER 16, 1977 (Number of Judges) 336 (Amdt. Bill [Shri O. V. Alagesan] “In Ahmedabad today, the Guja- about the independence of judiciary rat High Court Advocates* Associ- and other people are doing something ation disapproved of the appoint- against the independence of judiciary. ment of Mr. Justice D. A. Desai of They were trumpeting that they are the High Court to the Supreme the only custodians of the indepen- Court superseding three senior dence of judiciary. The profession of judges of the High Court.” theirs has to be tested against their actual practice. Any profession has to SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: All be tested against the actual practice. this has been said in this House earlier and I have replied to it in Now, the very first instance was great detail and in a convincing that they had occasion to appoint two manner. judges to the Supreme Court. Whnt did they do? Have they stuck to the SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN: His original profession and been very reply has not satisfied us. I am bring- strict? I should like to know that. It ing out further points. is the Law Commission which has said lik e this: SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN : I have satisfied everyone. I will satisfy “The constitution of the court everyone again. must command the confidence not only of the people but also the judi- SHRI O. V. A L A G E S A N : This is ciary and the Bar as a w h ole.” what they have said:

This is the thing that has been laid “In a resolution passed at an down by the Law Commission. Can emergency meeting, the Association the hon. Law Minister place his hand also urged the Centre to reconsider on his heart and say that the two its decision.” appointments that he has made have elicited the support of the judiciary, “It said, the appointment of Mr. the people and the Bar as a whole? Justice D. A. Desai, disregarding the seniority of the Chief Justice of SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN : I do. the High Court, Mr. B. J. Dewan and two other senior judges, Mr. SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN: I am J. B. Mehta and Mr. A. D. Desai, glad he is very dramatic also. He was a blow at the root of indepen- put his hand on his heart. dence of the judiciary.”

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Yes; he And these people were swearing by did it. the independence of the judiciary. SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN: Sir, you SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: A will realise that he has had some Member of your Party publicly con- association with our DMK in Tamil gratulated me in the other House on Nadu. He should have learnt some- one of the most brilliant judges hav- thing of their acting and, I think, he ing been appointed to the Supreme is doing his rehearsal now. Court, namely, Mr. Justice D. A. About the two appointments, I Desai. That was Mr. D. P. Singh. immediately concede that there was no controversy about one appoint- SHRI O. V. A L A G E S A N : D on’t be ment and, about the second appoint- in a hurry. This is what has been ment, there has been very controver- said by the Gujarat High Court Advo- sy. I should like to quote What the cates* Association. Then the legal Gujarat High Court Advocates Asso- luminary, who was also a Minister here ciation has said. This is dated 20th who was a Chief Justice of the Bombay September. It says: High Court, Mr. M. C. Chagla—he 337 Supreme Court AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) (Number of 338 Judges) Arndt. Bill Was not a bit less in pleading for the discussion is based on a substantive independence of the judiciary; he was motion drawn in proper terms.” perhaps in the forefront; he was a (man who championed the Janata Rule 353 says: cause and led a struggle against what he considered to be something “No allegation of a defamatory or that is being done against the incriminatory nature shall be made independence of the judiciary, such a by a member against any person man—has said...... unless the member has given previous intimation to the Speaker and SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: I made also to the Minister concerned sc a statement and he did not say any- that the Minister may be able to thing thereafter...... (Interrup- make an investigation into the mat- tions) ter for the purpose of a reply.” SHRI O. V. ALAGESA-1: This is what Mr. Chagla .^aid: I submit that, if somebody outside the House, has said something casting “Every principle has been violat- serious aspersions on a person in high ed and the appointment is either authority, that should not be allow- political or a glaring instance of ed to be repeated in this House unless jobbery and, therefore, most deplor- the rules are complied with. If he is.a able and completely contrary to tne judge of a High Court or Supreme Janata parfy professed solicitude Court—he was a judge of a High Court for the independence of the judi- and now of Supreme Court—a sub- ciary. ” stantive motion can be brought; otherwise, no aspersion can be cast on a SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: On a person like him ...... point of order___ SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tumkur) : SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN : He used May I submit one thing? very strong words. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nobody SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: On a else need submit anything. Mr. Alage- point of order. I invite your atten- san is on his legs. He will make his tion to rules 352 and 353: first, 353, submissions. * f because the hon. Member is casting SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Do you aspersions, very serious aspertions, agree. Sir, that it is a correct point of on an hon. judge of the Supreme order? C ou rt. . . . MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. AN. HON. M E M B E R : He is not Alagesan. casting aspersions. (Interruptio ns) SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN: If I SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN: I would read somebody’s statement casting as- go further to quote what he has said: persions, does it not mean casting “No one in the Gujarat Bar will aspersions? May I have my say so far say that Justice Desai is superior in as the point of order is concerned? talent or ability to the other two The Chair will decide on** way or the senior judges who have been super- other. (Interruptions) I invite the seded ...... ” attention of the House to rules 352 and 353. Rule 352 says: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. A la g e s a n ...... “A member while speaking shall not— SHRI K. L A K K A P P A : What is de- (v) reflect upon the conduct of famatory in that? It is not casting persons in high authority unless the aspersions. 39 National Holiday DECEMBER 16, 1977 on Netaji Subhas 340 Chandra Bose’s Birthday Bill SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN : Mr. hero worship nor do I intend to preach *Chagla goes on further to say: the cult of political idolatory by pro- posing that the birthday of Netaji •‘Does it mean that the aspirant to Subhas Chandra Bose should be ob- the Supreme Court has to pull served as a national holiday. strings in some quarter or the oth er?” I am conscious of the fact that during the freedom struggle of our This is what Shri M. C. Chagla has country, innumerable sreatmen were said. produced in our country and if a holiday in the case of birthday of each SHRI NARENDRA P. NATHWANI and every greatman of our country (Junagadh) : Sir, May I ask iny is to be observed, perhaps there friend, Shri Alagesan whether he has would be no working day for the tried to know the reaction of the mem- Governm ent at all. bers of the Bar of the Supreme Court about this matter7 15.03 hrs.

SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN : Mr. [Shhi N. K. Shejwalkar in the Chair] Deputy Speaker, S ir.. .. Chair]

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You may The question naturally arises that continue your speech when we next there are many greatmen who play- take up this Bill. ed their great role in the history of the freedom struggle, and it would The House will now take up Pri- not be possible to observe a national vate Members’ Business. holiday on the birthday of each and every greatman. I know, this is the question that will be in the minds of each and every Member of this House. 15.00 hrs. But I want to make a submission that if philosophically, historically and NATIONAL HOLIDAY ON NETAJI politically, it is justified that the SUBHAS CHANDRA BOSE'S BIRTH- birthday of Netaji should be taken on DAY BILL BY SHRI SAMAR GUHA a different level, I would ask for the support of this House in asking the Government to declare the birthday of MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The N etaji as a national holiday. House will now take up further consideration of the following motion As I have said, during the freedom moved by Shri Samar Guha on the struggle of our country India produc- 2nd Decem ber, 1977: ed many great men of great eminence who have made great contribution to “That the Bill to provide for the freedom struggle of our country observing the birthday of Netaji and raised the country to a great Subhas Chandra Bose as national height of glory ----- (Interruptions) holiday, be taken into consideration” Guptaji, this is not the way.

Shri Samar Guha to continue his SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: 1 speech. ’ f W j am very sorry.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : SHRI SAMAR GUHA : As I have Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, while initi- said, Sir, India produced many great ating the discussion on the Bill, I say men, but it produced only two men *hfrt I have not brought this Bill with of destiny of our nation during the a view to introduce some kind of a freedom struggle. Only two men of 341 National Holiday AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) on Netaji Subhas 342 Chandra Bose’s Birthday Bill destiny,—One is Mahatma Gandhi tributions, and for the fundamen- wham Netaji was the first to address tal nature of that contribution. That as the Father of the Nation and the is why I said that the Mahatma of ether is Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose. the Indian people and Netaji of the Mahatma Gandhi as an apostle of Indian people, only these two men, in nonrviolent mass struggle of Satya- the freedom struggle of India made graha has created a fundamental fundamental and distinctive contribu- value, a fundamental concept of tions which are unique in its own way peoples movement and has made a in each case and completely, and I fundamental contribution not only to would say, essentially different—one the history of India but to the his- from the other. tory of the world as a whole. In a similar way, however, other great men While all the great men of our of our country have made many con- freedom struggle in latter phase were tributions but the fundamental con- only followers of Mahatma Gandhi, it tribution in our freedom struggle in was Subhas Chandra Bose who re- a way different from Mahatma Gandhi belled, and rebelled time and again has been made by Netaji Subhas against Gandhian leadership. It will Chandra Bose alone. If Mahatma be seen in the history of our freedom Gandhi is the apostle of non-violence struggle that after the rise of the and Satyagraha, Netaji Subhas Chan- leadership of Mahatma Gandhi in the dra Bose is the glowing emblem of freedom struggle, anybody who oppos- Indian revolution. It is for this reason ed him had either to yield to him that the Indian people paid a tribute or get wiped out of the political scene to Gandhiji calling him the Mahatma of India. That was the case with Jaya- of the Indian Nation and for a similar kar, Sapru, Srinivasa Iyengar and reason the Indian people have hailec those of the Stalwarts of the Congress Subhas Chandra Bose as Netaji of the like Surendra Nath Banerjee, Bipin Indian people. These two glorifica- Chandra Pal, Lokmanya Tilak and tions—you may call it adoration by Narainan. None of them agreed to the Indian people—are not mere ex- Gandhiji’s means and methods and for pressions of their acknowledgement that they had to quit and they had of the greatness of these two men. to go into oblivion. Here was a great Mahatmaji of the Indian nation and man, who, from the very day he had the Netaji of the Indian people are his first meeting with Mahatma the two unique manifestations of the Gandhi, differed from the usual Gan- magnificence of the two great perso- dhian concept of Indian freedom, and nalities. That is the reason why I want the Gandhian method of attaining it to make a humble distinction bet- and the strategy of attaining it. He ween great men and men of destiny. had the greatest respect than any It is not the question that quantita- othei* person for Mahatma Gandhi tively you can distinguish between a and yet, it is known to everybody great man and a man of destiny. that it was Mahatma Gandhi who Nor is it merely a qualitative distinc- drafted the Resolution in the tion even. Many great men in our Congress Working Committee to freedom struggle might have made expel Subhas Chandra Bose, contribution, massive contribution, twice elected President of the unique contribution, magnificent con- Congress. Nevertheless it was tribution but qualitatively they might Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose who first not have made any fundamental con- addressed Mahatma Gandhi The tribution. The distinction lies not in Father of the Nation'. Mahatma their quantitative contributions but Gandhi had his own way of attaining in the qualitative characteristics of Indian freedom and Netaji had his their contributions. For that reason own way of leading the revolutionary I said the distinction between a great struggle for freedom and his own DMA and a man of destiny lies in the means of attaining it. So, I said, both qualitative characteristic of their cen- of them have made fundamental con- 343 National Holiday DECEMBER 16, 1977 on Netaji Subhas 3 Chandra Bose’s Birthday Bill [Shri Samar Guha] history of this country but for fulfill- tributions to our freedom struggle and ing his dream, his mission of life. both of them—Mahatma Gandhi and At whatever cost, at whatever sacri- Netaji are great sons of India. fice or at whatever dedication, facing all hazards or danger of life, his only Philosophically speaking, what is mission, his cxily goal is to attain that the difference between a man cf des- mission of life. And he becomes a tiny and a great man? Great men missionary and he goes to any extent might have contributed to freedom to fulfil that mission. Gandhiji was struggle, might have attained glory, one such missionary and Netaji is the might have been remembered in his- only other exception. Though if is a tory as activists, but they might not fact of history—yet it is not that he have m ade any fundamental contri- becomes a historical man but he be- bution. A man of destiny is either comes a man of fundamental value. born or he acquires it through Sadha- A mail of destiny becom e? man who na, a concept of a mission in life. has made certain fundamental contri- Netaji was bom with that sense of bution -and his contribution turns into mission in his life. Mahatma Gandhi value which goes beyond time acquired it through Sadhana. When and space. This is the kind he was very young, Netaji had w rit- of value which has been ten this down in his diary: created by Mahatma Gandhi ard also ‘I haYe been realising day by day by Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose That that I have got a definite mission in was the reason why I said that no my life and for that I am bearing other preat man should be equated the body and I am not to drift in with Mahatma Gandhi or Netaji the current of popular opinion. Peo- Subhas Chandra Bose although in ple will speak well or ill. That is quantitative sense of their contribu- the way of the world. But my sub- tion I have great respect for each and lime conciousness consists in this every great man of our country. that I am not to be moved by it. Sir, keeping these, I should say, the There is nothing that gives more philosophical distinction between a pleasure than a life of adventure, man of destiny and a great man, in away from the beaten-track, and in our view, let us consider what are search of unknown/ the fundamental contributions that had been made by Netaji Subhas He further said ‘I am a dreamer’. He Chandra Bose. Let us first take cur said: “Without dream, my life would Indian freedom struggle. Attempts have been meaningless/ and I will have been made as if Mahatma Gandhi continue to be a dreamer.” There alone has achieved the Indian free- are the words, v,ot of a great man dom. I have said that I have the because a great man does not feel like greatest respect for Mahatma Gandhi that,—but of the man of destiny who It is known to this House that in fif- has a certain mission in his life to ties a Committee for writing a history fulfil. of Indian freedom struggle was constituted with Dr. Ramesh Chandra A man of destiny that characteristic Majumdar, the greatest living Histo- becomes a consummate manifestation rian of the country, as it.s Chairman of his mission in life and in that, he In his prelim inary remarks Dr. has to work as an activist and in- Majumdar said that along with the separable from his mission. He lives contributions of Mahatma Garulhi, the not for himself; not for his personal contributions made before Mahatma gains, not for his individual acquire- Gandhi by the revolutionaries and the ment, not for his personal glory and contributions of Netaji Subhas Chan- not for his personal ambition, not to dra Bose should also be taken into peek any place as a great man in the consideration. If only the contribu- 345 National Holiday AGRAHAYANA 25, 1809 (SAKA) on Netaji Subhas 346 Chandra Bose's Birthday Bill tions of different currents, different tionary leader, Netaji Subhas Chander goals from Gandhian Satya*>rana and Bose. i also the contributions of the fevolu- ticnaries are taken together, then Sir, the hc&i’ble Members will re- cnly can we come to the correct ana- member when on the 8th August Quit lysis why the British were compelled India Resolution was passed there was to withdraw from India? It was not no programme as before the pro- accepted conclusion regarding the gramme could he chalked out all the history of our freedom struggle. But leaders were arrested. From the next Pandit Nehru and Maulana A*a:l—at day Netaji from Berlin was giving that time he was Education Minister— a call everyday over the Azad Hind disagreed with perspective of Dr. Radio for seizure of power aud for Majumdar. The result was that His- starting guerilla vrarfare. Gandhiji’s tory Committee was dissolved and concept was that of transferance of alter a 'ew years, a new History power whereas Netaji gave the call Committee was constituted with a for seizure of power. On this call of friend of Pandit Nehru, Dr. Tara Netaji, people went to bun.i the police Chand ru its Chairman. If you can stations and capture the railway sta- go through the history written by tions. It was a struggle of seizure of them, you will find that it power which is the strategy of a not a real history; it is revolutionary. Gandhiji never used a make-believt? history, almost the word “1942 Revolution”. He only a command performance history as if called it “1942 Movement”. Whereas e\ cry attempt has been made to show spontaneously 1942 movement was that Gandhiji alone has achieved transferred into August revolution. India’s freedom. Sir, I will From thereon you know the role of noi take much time in trac- Netaji. ing the history of freedom struggle of India. Tne revolutionaries Netaji organised tht: liberation army. were in the vanguard of the Indian He organised IN A. I do not want to freedom struggle till first World War. cc into the details. I cniy want to I think it will not be forgotten by us say a few words about his contribution. that even during the first World War You may say that INA failed. ‘Chalo when Gandhiji was trying to recruit Delhi' was their slogan but the INA Indians for the British Army and could not reach Delhi. An attempt lending his cooperation to the British was made to reach Delhi via Imphal government the two revolutionaries but it failed. Netaji could not reach from Bengal wanted to have a revo- his destination, namely the Red Fort. lutionary upsurge for seizure of Historically, you may say that Netaji pcwei. As a result of that many people failed. No, Netaji did not fail. Those w^re hanged and killed. It started who do not understand the implications from Peshawar to Singapore. Rash- of a revolutionary war to them it will, bohari Bose organised the revolution appear mechanically that as if INA in Northern India and Jatindra Nath faiieci. But it is absolutely wrong. Mukherjee in Eastern India. Gandhiji Those who have an idea of revolutio- came on the political scene after 1919. nary struggle, know that a revolutio- Gandhiji made a ^reat contribution nary struggle never fails. The Azad in the form of Non-Cooperation Hind Revolution created a tremendous Movement, Civil Dis-obedie*ice Move- impact on the freedom struggle of our ment, Quit India Movement, etc. Till country. The legacy and the heritage the banning of 1942 is the period of of martyrdom inherited from the Azad Gandhian leadership. It was Gandhiji Hind way had historic impact on ths and Gandhiji alone who was the sup- freedom struggle of India. When reme leader of the freedom struggle Netaji was going back there was criti- of our country. But after 1942 till cism and the British were making pro- mid-1946 it was an era of the revolu- paganda day in day out about JIF, a 347 National Holiday DECEMBER 16, 1977 on Netaji Subhas 34$, Chandra Bose's Birthday Bill [Shri Samar Guha] Though Netaji did not appear in per- term which the Britishers U9ed at son, he appeared in the concept of that time so that people might not the historic liberation of India and know that Netaji was organising the as an epic hero of the freedom strug- INA and the Azad Hind Revolution at gle. The national scene of India was that time. When JIF went back and filled with Netaji and Netaji alone; many people had a feeling of frustra- it was INA and INA alone every- tion when INA retreated from Imphal, where in India. Mahatma Gandhi had Netaji said: “We may not travel to to say that INA and Netaji had cast Delhi via Imphal but we shall get there a spell on all of us and Netaji’s name atfl right.” Then he said again: ‘This is one to conjure with. This is what is not rhetoric nor is it propaganda. It Mahatma Gandhi said at that time is plain, unvarnished truth and those about the impact of INA and the who doubt the truth of this statement revolutionary image of Netaji. have only to wait and see. The ways of history, like the ways of Providence Netaji had given a time table. You are often mysterious. For the fulfil- remember what happened at the time ment of our objective, it was perhaps of the Red Fort trial of INA prisoners. necessary that the British Army should He said: wait till February. What go into Burma and see the INA. What happened in February? On the 19th of was the result0 There is no longer February there was an uprising of any talk of a puppet army or Japanese- the naval ratings at Karachi and Indian Force; the enemy propaganda Bombay and it spread all over India, nc%v talked at least of INA.” A few all ports,—Madras, Calcutta, Singa- days before, Netaji in his broadcast to pore, Rangoon, Port Blair, Travan- Congress leaders, said: 4,Do not lose core, everywhere. They were British heart”. When the Congress leaders Indian naval ratings and they rebell- thought that the British were goine to ed. It was called mutiny by the win. when they entered into negotia- Britishers. But the RIN rebelled tions with Wavell for the transfer of with the slogans ‘Netaji Zindabad *nd power 2nd were making compromises, Jai Hind’. Then they fought; they Netaii was making frantic broadcasts rose; they exchanged bullet for bullet, from Singapore: asking the Indian ctnnon for cannon with the British leaders: Do not compromise; if you Army. You will remember at that think that INTA is defeated, you are time what happened. In Delhi, Cal- mistaken. Freedom will be in our cutta, Rawalpindi, Karachi, Bombay hands like a ripe fruit.” He used pro- and other places, there were street phetic words: ‘‘There will be postwar fights barricade fightings; there was revolution inside India after the war ’ bloodshed; there blockade. Peo- Not only that he went to the extent ct ple were fighting here and there. saying on July 12, 1944. “ Let them The revolution had spread all over wait until February 1946 and then they the country. Not only the naval can start criticising us if our tirne ratines, but the Indian Royal Air table goes wrong’ ” Forc^ in Calcutta, Jabalpur and Delhi undertook a general strike in support It is known to everybody what of dermnd of release of the Red Fort happened after the surrender of prisoners of the INA. What is a Japan and what happened when INA general strike in the army or air prisoners were brought to India. Peo- fore?? It is nothing but rebellion. If ple of India came to know about the you use the word of the British, it achievements, the glory and martyr- is mutiny. It is on record that at dom of INA and of the historic role various places the land army also that wag played by Netaji. Those who undertook a general strike. Maha- are elderly in the House know the3e tma Gandhi himself said that hund- things. The legendary ima?e of reds of INA people and even officers Netaji captivated the Indian peopie. of the Indian Army every day were 349 National Holiday AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) on Netaji Subhas 350* Chandra Bose's Birthday Bill appealing to him, Pandit Nehru and revolution, they asked them to lay other leaders, “Give us leadership, down their arms. So, the revolution we will bring you freedom.” Neiaji was completely frustrated. The mili- said, “Give me blood, I will give you tant mood and revolutionary mood of freedom”. With those words the the Indian people had de- whole of India was enchanted, the generated into reaction—communal people and the Army joined hands, reaction thereafter. It always hap- people and the Army joined hands, pens. To quote the words of Trotsky berating in the country. At that one of the greatest architects of revo- time, the Indian army was in a mood lution, “The revolutionary mood of to rebel. Thc whole country was in the people does not continue for a militant mood. A new type of lo n g /’ It is up to tho leadership to militant nationalism had developed understand the point when they have all over the country. to seize the revolutionary mood of the people. At that time there was I can understand that Mahatma a possibility—freedom of a united Gandhi did not accept it. But what India was within the grip of Congress about the other leaders? What did leadership, but they failed, masque- they do? That was a golden oppor- rading as if they were real followers tunity at that time when they could of non-violence. But that was not seize the power and they could dic- the case. They were completely flab- tate terms to the British Government. bergasted; they were off their their' The situation was such that if the I would not say sense, but off their Congress leaders wanted, they could courage. They were adapted to one dictate any term. You remember kind of leadership; they were not ac- wfcat happened to the Muslim Ler.gue. customed to revolutionary leadership. Jinnah was washed out—Muslim So, the Indian revolution failed. League was washed out. The Muslim However, the British Government did League wanted that all the Muslim not fail to understand the implications officers of the INA should be defend- of it. On the 19th morning, there' ed by Muslim lawyers, but all the was the rising by the naval ratings INA prisoners at that time refused. in Karachi and Bombay and on the Jir/;ah was nowhere. Violating the evening of 19th February !946. in the dictates of Jinnah everywhere Hindus, House of Commons, the British Gov- Muslims and Christians, Sikhs had ernment announced their decision to joined hands. I have no time to quit India. And they announced quote. The New York Times, the that a Cabinet Mission was Times of London and all the British being sent to India for nego- papers wrote, what is happening in tiating with Indian leaders for India? It is the magic wand of the transfer of power. They did not fail to nam» of Subash Chandra Bose that grasp the seriousness of what actually had fused Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and happened at that time? If they delayed Christians to fight for national free- they had to face a situation more dom. Everywhere in India there was dangerous than that of 1857. a kind of revolutionary fraternity not witnessed hitherto before. In Cal- cutta, Bombay, Rawalpindi, Karachi Why do I say that the period bet- and everywhere hundreds of young- ween 1921 and the beginning of Y042 men—Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs was an era of Gandhian leadership; were marching shouting, “Netaji and that, thereafter upto -nid 1946 it Zindabad! Jai Hind!” If our leaders was an era of Netaji? During the post had the courage, they could have war days the revolutionary ideals of seized power. But instead, they said, Netaji dominated the political scene it is violence, it is anarchy; it is and the minds of the people of India. chaos. Instead of leading the revo- I would urge the Home Minister to lution and allowing the young men understand one aspect of it, viz. that Of the armed forces to go with the in 1921, 1930 and the beginning of 351 National Holiday DECEMBER 16, 1977 on Netaji Subhas 352 Chandra Bose’« Birthday Bill [Shri Samar Guha] mutiny and dissension in the Army, 1942, under the leadership o f Gandhiji, culminating in its dissolution.’* there had been an unprecedented mass Then again. Gen. Thacker of the struggle. Nowhere in the world, at no Eastern Command, in his secret cir- time had there been such a unique cular to Lord Wavell and to the struggle by unarmed people. Millions British Government, said: of people participated in that struggle. “The INA affair was threatening Lakhs of people courted arrest. But to tumble down the whole edifice what happened after such a massive of the Indian Army/’ and unprecedented historic struggle? Did we achieve freedom as a result? Just after the Naval rebellion, a Could we move the British to go out British parliamentary team—composed of India? No. It has been admitted by of all the political parties, viz. Con- the British historians also. The servatives, Labour and Liberal, was reason was this: Gandhiji made Indian sent to India. I do not want to go into details; I want only to quote a people defy a foreign rule; but he little from the report given by that could not touch the Indian Army or the Indian Police. Army and the team when they went back to their country. They gave this report to Mr. Police are the ultimate pivots of the administration, particularly of an im- Attlee; and I quote. perialist administration. Upto this •‘India is in a state of suspended level Gandhiji made Indian people ferment. If the British fail to find defy British rule. He roused the soon a way of handing over power, patriotism of the Indian people, gave there may be a mutiny. .The circum- them the concept of nationalism, of stances this time have been far less suffering and of sacrifice; but upto a favourable to the British than it was limit. But the last and final blow to in 1857." the British Empire was given by Netaji. and Netaji alone. Apparently It was from the secret report that was sent to the British Government. Tnen Netaji was defeated. But his main they decided to quit India. object was to see that the traditional loyalty of the Indian Army to the Why did they decide to quit India? British Crown which remained un- I would say that was the outcome of touched and inailected by the this confluence between Gandhijfs Gandhian leadership, was completely strategy of non-violent satyagraha and knocked down; and this was achieved the revolutionary strategy of Netaji, by the historic contribution of Netaji, the strategy of satyagraha of Mahatma and by the martyrdom of Azad Hind Gandhi and the revolutionary strategy Fouz: and that is the reason why of the epic hero of Indian freedom, British Government finally decided to that was a confluence of the mass

SHRI SAM AR GUHA: It is not just Only one major Congress leader, a Bill, it is not a legal technicality, it Subhas Chandra Bose, was a Ksha- is not a nicety of an argument. I nave triya. Subhas took a typically to prove it historically, philosophically Kshatriya course by attempting to and politically, the justification of my overthrow' the British power by vio- Bill. lence.”

When Atlee was asked by Churchill, what created the conditions for the Here was the final and the ultimate British to quit India, on the day when cause for the withdrawal of British the Indian Independence Bill was power and the traditional loyalty to the being debated in the House of Com- British Crown was knocked out. Gan- mons,—what was the reply of Atlee? dhiji made Indian people to rebel, Neta- Atlee told Churchill. “We were sitting ji made Indian army to rebel. When the at the top of a volcano.’’ Who created people and the army, combined, it was that volcano? It was Netaji. It was a revolution born out of the militant Netaji who created a situation born out nationalism, that compelled the British of the legacy of the martyrdom of the power to quit India. I know, many INA. out of the War of Indian libera- people in those days used to call Netaji tion under him that created a volcano a fascist and a puppet of the Japanese. situation in India. When Atlee, as a Netaji is the greatest anti-imperialist civilian, visited India in 1963 he had a leader; not only that, he is the greatest discussion with the then Governor of leader of anti-colonial struggle. It is West Bengal. The Governor asked, for Netaji's revolutionary contribu- “What happened to you? You won the tion that the whole of South-East Asia War, the Congress was almost in the attained freedom, and the effect of it doldrums at that time. They did not rolled over India and from India it know what will follow. There was no went to Africa. I have had the fortune compulsion for the British quiting of going across the South-East Asian India. Why did you quit India? Why countries and meeting almost all the did you withdraw from India?” All top leaders there. 3 5 / National Holiday AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) on Netaji Subhat 358 Chandra Bose’s Birthday Bill I do not know whether you remem- gle; many people do not know this. ber this. When, after freedom, Mr. Therefore, as I have said, the freedom Tunku Abdul Rahman, became the first of Burma, Malaya, Indonesia and many Prime Minister of Malaysia he came to other South-East Asian, countries had India and at Dum Dum said: their inspiration from the Azad-Hind Revolution of Netaji. “Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose raised us from the dust.” Many people called Netaji fascist. I had the opportunity of meeting Or. But he is the greatest anti-imperialist Shaharyar, Dr. Soekamo ana Dr. leader, who inspired anti-colonial strug- Hatto in Indonesia. They Spoke in gle in Asia. He is a leader who pio- highest turns about Netaji. In 1943, neered freedom struggle in the whole of To jo convened the South East Asia East Asian countries. Co-Prosperity Conference. His whole objective was to Tmpose some kind of When the whole of colonial Asian an imperialist domination over South countries attained freedom, as a cata- East Asia. The Japanese historian lytic action, the wave of this freedom wrote that Tojo wanted it to make this struggle went to Africa. The African Assembly a Tojo Conference. “But countries also attained freedom finally it turned out to be a Chandra Therefore, in a sense, if you see the Bose Conference’’. The Japanese used genesis, the genesis is the epic Indian to call Netaji as ‘Chandra Bose'. And revolution; N 2taji Subhas Chandra this is what Netaji said in that Con- Bose inspired the Asiatic revolution ierence: and as a result of that as a catalytic action, the African revolution was also “We have come in this Conference inspired by him. It can be said, there- not to side with any imperialist fore, his contrbution is not only power, but to rouse Asiatic‘cons- for India but for the whole of Asia and cience for an Asiatic revolution and to a certain extent, as an extending for achievement of nn Asiatic ob- legacy, for Africa also. je c tiv e /’

I have met many of those people, and We are now today talking a lot about they said that, after the Conference, Indian nationalism, and about the con- our whole outlook had changed and we cept of Indian nationalism. Could started realising Netaji as the great Congress achieve the concept of Indian Asian leader who inspired us to our nationalism, I ask, with all my respect freedom struggle. and honour for Mahatma Gandhi. Only once, in 1921, Gandhiji successfully I can give another example, how one achieve Hindu-Muslim unity. But that incident of Netaji had aroused the was also on a wrong basis—conceding to spirit of patriotism in Indonesia. But the communal and religious claim of that will take time. the Khilafat. Khilafat and Congress Recently, some of the Indian dignita- combined. Only on that occasion there ries visited Burma. Gen. Ne Win said: was Hindu-Muslim unity, but what ‘In Burma, we will not allow any communal disaster resulted thereafter statue of any foreigner to l e built. But we all know. Gandhiji could not make the case of Netaji Subhas Chandra the Indian Muslims feel that he was Bose is an exception; we shall allow a really a lover of the Indian Muslims statue of Netaji to be built in Ran and thus genuine friend, and that he g oon ! ’ really wanted the Indian nationalism to grow out of Hindu-Muslim unity. It Many people do not know that Ho- was only after his death, his immoral Chi-Minh had the greatest respect for martyrdom, the Indian Muslims realis- Netaji and that Netaji had contacted ed that Gandhiji was their real friend; Ho-Chi-Minh. The Vietnam revolution their real lover not even Jinnah; much drew inspiration from Azad-Hind strug- greater than Mr. Jinnah was Mahatma 35) National Holiday DECEMBER 16, 1977 on Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose's Birthday Bill [Shri Samar Guha] Sikhs, Muslims, Christians and Hindus. Gandhi for the Muslims. But what Thereafter, all the mosques, churches about Neiaji? You are talking a lot temples and Gurdwaras were about ‘secularism’. The word ‘secula- thrown open to all the communi- rism is nothing but a confession or a ties. There was, thus, some kind of a guilty conciencj. What is the diction- socio-cultural revolution that was ary meaning of secularism? The real brought about by Netaji. It was one nationalism means that there cannot be Muslim, Shaukat Malik, who is now in any communalism, there cannot be any Pakistan, who raised the first banner sectionalism, and there cannnot be any of freedom on our soil of Manipur. regionalism. It is only Netaji Subhas Netaji wTent away from India under the Chandra Bose who can be considered name of Zia-ud-din. It was one Abbas the hisioric emblem of the true Indian Khan of the Frontier Province, who nationalism. Eighty percent of the offi- helped him to cross over. It was Abid cers and Chiefs of the Staff and others Hussain, who is still at Hyderabad, who of the Azad Hind Fauj were Muslims for about three and a half months ac- and most of those Muslims now belong companies him during his hastorir to Pakistan. It was Netaji who intro- submarine journey from Germany to duced that there would be no commu- Singapore. It was one Habib-ul-Hah- nal, religious or linguistic distinction man, who can say what happened *.o or difference in the army. Hindus, Netaji. It w'as one Mohammad Hus- Muslims. Sikhs and others lived in the sain. who the last word about composed same barracks and shared the same the National anthem of INA. This is food and had the same dress. Net only what nationalism and secularism means that, but in the fields if the Comman- and what Netaji realised during Azad der was a Muslim, the ranks were Hind Revolution. Hindus. Sikhs, Christians and others. If a Sikh was the Commander, the It would, thus, be seen that the real ranks consisted of Muslims, Hindus image of nationalism, the real idea of and others. They fought shoulder to nationalism and the real concept of shoulder, hand in hand and shed their nationalism was achieved only by Neta- blood and sacrificed their life together. ji and nobody else. Therefore, as I Was such a heritage of Indian natio- said, he is the glowing emblem of nalism achieved before? It was Indian Revolution, he is the glowing achieved only by the Azad Hindu emblem of anti-colonialism, he is the Fauj under the leadership of Netaji. glowing emblem of the revolution of the colonial people and the glowing emblem of the Indian nationalism too. Even, a unique socio-cultural revolution was achieved by Netaji. I cannot Many people have forgotten that desist from giving one example. Netaji Netaji is the first President of the free was invited by the Chettiars of South India and many people have also for- India in Singapore to enter into temple gotten that he is the father of the and have prasad from the temple a*.id Indian National Planning. For thirty have donations for the Azad Hind years, no paper on planning ever pub- Fund. Netaji said: “Yes, I can come, lished this fact. When he was the Pre- but all my Ministers, the Chiefs of the sident of the Haripura Congress, he Army would be with me.” What did defied Gandhiji and introduced the he mean? The Ministers and the Chief concept of planning. He set up the of the Army composed of Hindus, Mus- Planning Commission. It was he who lims and Christfans. It was a terrible made Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru its thing for the conservative Chettiars of President. Everybody wanted that South India to agree, but ultimately, Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose should be they had to yield. Netaii entered into the President of the First Planning the tomr-most area of the temple with Commission. Read the biography of his Miiiteters and others, who were Dr. Giri. He was also a Member of the 361 National Holiday AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) on Netaji Subhas 362 Chandra Bose's Birthday Bill Planning Commission. Dr. Giri told at tnat time, tne Congress was banned. me that tie and Dr. Meghnath Saha All the meetings and assemblies were requested him to become the President banned. It was decided to defy the of the Planning Commission to which ban in the Congress and as Mayor of he replied jocularly: ‘Fool, you do not Calcutta. Bose was to hoist national understand. If I become President, fly at Calcutta. When the Policemen Gandhiji will scuttle it. If Nehru is went to arrest him at his residenc6 made President, he will not.’ For set- they found that Subhas Bose was mis- ting up Planning Commission, Netaji sing. But the British Government had to pay the price for that. It was knew that this missing main would re* one of the reasons why Gandhiji op- appear again on the morning of 26th. posed Netaji during contest for Tripura And exactly that happened. Early in Presidential contest. Therefore, Netaji the morning, near Calcutta maidan all Subhas Bose is the father of Indian movement was stopped and the cavalry national planning. You cannont forget and armed forces surrounded the area that. near Monument but Netaji Subhas Bose, with the dawn of the sun, like 16‘ hrs. another sun, ran and shot towards the Again, I want to mention about Monument and pushed aside the armed Netaji s concept of revolutionary idea- forces and with a national flag in his lism. When we recount the history of hand went straight to the Monument revolution in modern century, is there He was mercilessly beaten and blood any revolutionary either in India or was flowing out of his body. He fell anywhere in the wrorld whose life and unconscious but he raised the flag, fhe activity can be compared with the re- fla^ of Indian freedom on 26th Janu- volutionary activities of Netaji Subhas ary. Is there any other example in Chandra Bose? From the very begin- India’s history like this? ning he was a revolutionary of unique character. In 1930 there was firing in the deten- In 1926, he undertook a fast unto tion camp in Hijli. Subhas Chandra death in the Mandalay jaiL Again you Bose just rushed to the camp. He remember that when he went to the wanted to see what was happening. As jail, he knew his movement would fail soon as he reached the gate, he pushed as against Gandhiji’s reluctance to aside the sentry, and ran inside the start Satyagraha at that time. He c;imp to see the detenus. Is there any knew it. Then what did he do? He Congress leader, is there any man of undertook a fast unto death in the such a daring in those day? Immedi- jail. He knew it was impossible ately the whole camp was surrounded for him to get released. I would hy the army but they did not dare to read that letter, the political testa- touch him because they could touch ment and the letter of a revo- Netaji only over the dead bodies of the lutionary, nay, it is a letter of a mis- thousand detenus who were there. sionary, nay, it is a letter of a man of destiny which he work to the British In 1930 there was lathi charge in Ali- Government before starting fast. What pore jail. Subhas Bose was placed in is that letter? Just I will read a little the European cell. He rushed from of that letter. He knew it was impossi- there and jumped into it. Simpson ble to come out of the jail. But he was the IG, Police. Subhas Bose was was patriotically so impatient to full mercilessly assaulted. He fell uncon- that his mission was going to fail. That cious. But that Simpson had to pay is why he gambled with his life. Either the price. Binay Bose, and Dinesh Das he wanted freedom to go out of India Gupta and others finished him after- in search of freedom or die. He was wards. not for himself as I said that he was During 1031, on the 26thT January, a man of destiny is a manifesta- when Netaji w$s ttje Mayor of Calcutta! tion, a consummate manifestation of 363 National Holiday DECEMBER 16, 1977 on Netaji Subhas 364 Chandra Bose’s Birthday Bill [Shri Samar Guha] and the Indian Ocean. He took 110 days his own mission where his life and mis- to come from Germany to Singapore. sion remained completely identified. His submarine was exchanged near His life had no meaning unless his Madagaskar. It was an impossible but mission was fulfilled. Hhat is the let- he achieved that impossibility. I can ter that he wrote? Just a few lines 1 give you many more examples of his will read. He knew that he would die. during activities. He was taking part at He had to go the way of Mac. Swiney a Ceremonial Salute of the INA at and Jatin Das: He wrote: Raiyom. The enemy bombers were zooming over them, there was carpet- “Though there may be no imme- bombing. When others ran away, diate tangible gain, no sacrifice is Netaji stood like a rock as if nothin? either ever futile. It is through happened, and took the salute. Such suffering and sacrifice alone that a incidents had happened many times. cause can flourish and prosper and We know of the Long March of Mao- in every age and clime, the eternal Tse-Tung. Here was a long march law prevails—the blood of the mar- from Germany to Singapore and had tyr is the seed of the change. In this another long March from Rangoon to world, everything perishes. We will Bangkok when Netaji and his men, perish ----- and the Jhansi Regiment was selected to carpet bombing. Is there any other But ideas, ideals and dreams do not example of such a revolutionary ad- perish. One individual may die for an venture of a man of destiny, who, for idea, but that idea will, after his death, achieving the freedom of his country, incarnate itself in a thousand lives. travelled through two continents, 25 This is how the wheels of evolution countries, thousands and thousands of move on and the ideas and dreams of miles of the air, sea and the ocean? one generation are bequeathed to the He was the greatest revolutionary, not next. No idea has ever fulfilled itself of India alone, but of the whole world. In this world except through an ordeal He has a distinct heritage which is re- of suffering and sacrifice. ’ corded in history. Sir, I am almost And then he said: conluding. Here is a man—Netaji— who made tremendous impression on ‘ This is the technique of souL The Tojo. Tojo told his wife: after his individual must die so that the first meeting with Netaji: nation may live. Today I must die “To-day I have met not only the so that India may live and may win greatest revolutionary of India tut freedom and glory.” the greatest revolutionary of Asia.” Netaji was not a revolutionary’ only The foreign Minister of Japan, has but a man of destiny. Is there any written a book in which he had des- other case of such a revolution idea- cribed Netaji as ‘the greatest hero of lism? From Germany to Singapore he our age’. I can quote many authors, travelled in a submarine. At that time innumerable quotations from the views Germany declared war on Russia. He of German and Japanese Generals and wanted to come to South-East Asia. others but I do not want to burden you There was no way out from Germany. with such quotations. I had the oppor- There was no possibility proceeding of tunity to meet Dr. Laurel, who was by air. He said ‘I will go by subma- known as the father of the Philippines. rine’. The chief of German Navy, Ad- I went to his house and I had a long miral Decritz said: ‘ There is only discussion with him. When I came 5 per cent chance for survival!’ He out of the bungalow you know what he said: Well, ‘one per cent chance is said. He said: enough for me’. The British and Ameri- can aircrafts were there hovering over “Tell your countrymen when you the Atlantic Ocean, English Channel go back that of all the great men I 365 National Holiday AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) on Netaji Subhas 366 1 Chandra Bose's Birthday Bill have ever met, Chandra Bose was Now, Sir, how tribute was paid to this the greatest.” man of destiny. I will just conclude by quoting what Dr. Pattabhi Sita- I have already told you what Gandhi- ramaiah had said. He was the man, ji had told about Netaji. 1 have to who was defeated by Netaji at the quote here what Dr. Radha Krishnon time of contest for Tripura Congress. said about Netaji: He forgot his part and while ap- “His fearless courage, his reckless preciating the greatness of Netaji. Dr. abandon, his suffering and sacrifice Sitaramaiah wrote: have become a part of the legendary story of India’s struggle for freedom. “Subhas Bose has proved to the Future generations will read the world that Hindustan is still a land amazing story of his life with pride •f valour and prowess, that the and reverance, and salute him as one Indian has in him that sense of of the great heroes who heralded national honour for the preserva- India’s dawn”. tion and perpetuation of which his fore-fathers had shed their red Gobind Ballabh Pant in Tripura n.oved blood. Subhas may be alive or a resolution against Netaji. But. he dead in body but his spirit and too paid highest tribute to Netaji. I name w ill endure long, Le., for ever will quote what Lai Bahadur Shastri in history in common with the said about Netaji: names of Alexander, Darius, of Cesar and Hannibal of Czenkhis “What tremendous organisations, Khan and Timur Lane of Harold v:h;;t organising ability or w'hat the last of the Barons and William, competence or excellence Netaji the Conqueror of Cromwell and had. It will be difficult to find Guy Faw'ker, of Kaiser and Hitler.” another leader who could single- handed and solely on his and on his Is it a tribute paid not merely to a own strength, build up such a gig- great man but to a man of destiny antic organization. I do not know whose contributions transcend not only of any parallel to the sacrifice and his time and country but to far far self-abnegation that Netnji made, wider space and time beyond his gen- the great risk he was taking in eration. That is why I was saying going out 0f the country. There Netaji is the majesty of manifesta- was no thought of his own self in tion of what a man of destiny can be his being. He did not care about his Netaji is the majesty of expression own life. National revolution, his #f what revolutionary idealism can lie. country's freedom were his goal and from whenever he went, his I want to ask this House do you message continued to reach us. His want to preserve this heritage; do broadcasts came through to us. you want our4 younger generations His dedicated Ufe brought forth a today and tomorrow get inspiration new light and a new power to this from such a heritage—a heritage not country. When the INA trials were of a great man but of a man of des- going on here, such a revolutionary tiny who transcends the boundaries situation was created in the country of the country and time of his age that it is impossible to stem its You have given me a patient hear- over-whelming tide. The entire ing. I appeal to the House that we country accepted Netaji as the lea- should preserve this heritage to ins- der, the greatest revolutionary lea- pire our generation and future gen- der of our country. To this day. erations to come with the idealism we accept Netaji as our greatest of this man of destiny. 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He concluded his speech by enunciat- i i t | f f a «rr *r*rr wt ing: . 3ft f , SlT’f a 44___ We have a grim fight ahead I of us—for the enemy is powerful, SHRI C. K. C H AN D RAPPAN unscrupulous and ruthless. In the (Cannanore): I support the Bill final march to freedom—you will moved by Mr. Samar Guha and I have to face hunger, thirst, pri- think I need not make a very long vation, forced marches and death. speech because he has explained very Only when you pass this test, will effectively his case. But I think a freedom be yours. I am confident certain other aspect also should be that you will do so and thereby taken into account, whether the bring freedom and prosperity to question is of giving a holiday or your enslaved and impoverished whether it is a question ;d January is the birthday of by iheir social ideas and ideals. If Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose. I we want to make India really great, thought that this Bill would be over we must build up a political demo- today and we would have the Govern- cracy on the pedestal oi a demo- ment's reply. Of course. I took a long cratic society. Privileges based on time-—I plead guilty; it was unavoid- birth, caste or creed should go, and able— and I was pleading a case and equal opportunities should be thrown answering a question that if the birth- open to ail irrespective of caste, day of Netaji is observed as a national creed or religion. The status of holiday and if it is observed in the women should also be raised and case of every great man, then there will be no day ieft for working. I women should be trained to take a larger and a more intelligent interest had to explain that. I wanted that in public affairs.” the debate could have been concluded today so that we could observe a national holiday on the birthday of Lastly, at page 55 of the same book, Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose. this is what Netaji said, while talking about “Students and Politics”: Reply inn to Dr. Ramji Singh’s point, I say, Netaji is the emblem of the “ There is no royal road to freedom. Indian youth. That day. the birthday The path to freedom ts no douEl a of Netaji. is to create an impression thorny one, but it i9 a path which on the minds of the Indian people, specially the younger generation, also leads to glory and immortality. Let us break with the past, destroy about the immortality of the revo- all the shackles which have bound lutionary idealism that he preached Us for ages, and like true pilgrims and to fulfil his ideals and his mission. let us march shoulder to shoulder Let the Government do something positive to observe Netaji’s birthday towards our destined goal of freedom. Freedom means life, and death which has not been done in the last 30 years by the earlier Government in the pursuit of freedom means glory imperishable. Let us therefore re for parochial political reasons. I make an appeal to the Government. It is solve to be free, at least die in the not a Janata member appealing to the pursuit of freedom. Let us show Janata Government. When I am speak- by our conduct and character that ing, it is a patriotic soul of India we are worthy of being the country- speaking. The millions of people of men of the great martyr JatirtSVa- India want that the Government of nath Das.” **91 Nationalisation DECEMBER 16, 1977 of Sugar Industry (HAH Dis.) [Shri Samar Guha.] I want to ask a question. If he cannot India should do something in honour govern and run sugar mills, how does of Netaji. The earlier Government he want us to believe and accept that proved ungrateful; they did not even he will be able to govern the country. acknowledge the greatness of Netaji; He says that the State management they did not acknowledge even the has rendered the condition of sugar contribution of Netaji. I would request mihs in a miserable condition. I can- the present Government that they not understand this. should do at least something on the 23rd January, the birthday of tfetaji, In this country, sugar really tastes to acknowledge Netaji’s contribution bitter because in the sugar industry, and honour our debt which is the na- there have been most generous finan- tional debt to Netaji. cial patrons, politicians and champfons of free and private enterprise. They MR. CHAIRMAN: This Bill will have been champions of free enter- continue on the next day. prise, they have been champions of private sector and they have been working for only profit. They have found most willing patrons in the HALF AN HOUR DISCUSSION sugar industry, the sugar magnates, the sugar tycoons, to work in that Nationa lisa tion o f S ug ar In d u s t r y direction. They purchased partial decontrol sugar in 1968. I still remember MR. CHAIRMAN: We now take up that the transaction had taken place the Half-An-Hour Discussion. Shri in Kanpur. He must be knowing it Jyotirmoy Bosu. because he comes from Uitar Pradesh. They had paid Rs. 40 lakhs for pur- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- mond Harbour): Mr. Chairman, Sir, in chasing the partial de-control sugar reply to my Starred Question No. 164 from the then Government headed by Mrs. Indira Gandhi. That brought them dated 28th November, 1977, the Prime very rich dividends. The whole trouble Minister had said: is that Government control and sugar ‘‘This particular problem is a com- cannot live together because the pro- plicated one so far as UP. and ducers of sugar move and act solely Bihar are concerned and more com- from profit motive. If sugar was pro- plicated because of low production perly handled, if there was a properly of sugarcane. They have taken no formulated sugar policy, it could have steps to increase the production. been used as a vehicle for rural uplift- They go on asking for more and ment. But instead in traditional areas more prices. That goes on bedevil- like U P. and Bihar, it had become a ling the whole issue. So, it has to vehicle of impoverishment. Cane be gone into more deeply. We are growers, mill workers and the weaker trying to do that.” sections of the consumers, all, have been equally exploited, and the indus- But this is what Shri Bhanu Pratap trial adventurers have fTourished. The Singh said. It is a good thing that sugar tycoons have minted money. Of he does not really hide his political course, they have parted with a big philosophy and his political thoughts. share—the hon. Minister is in tKe know He should be outspoken. Here, Shri of things—but they got enormous re- Bhanu Pratap Singh, in his wisdom turn for the same. haft spelt out: “ Seven public sector factories are I will give an example, how they under the control of the UP State exploit. Mr. M. A. Chidambaram, Sugar Corporation over the last four Chairman of Maruti Limited, controls ye art and their performance is the South India Steel and Sugar Mills. miserable/’ He is not even willing to pay the mini- 393 Nationalisation AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) of Sugar Industry 394 (HAH Dis.) mum piiice fixed by the State Govern- “Closely linked with the concept ment. Hfs neighbouring sugar mills of modernization is the ‘economic had been paying Rs. 105 per tonne of size’ of the sugar factories. Accord- sugarcane last year; but he would not ing to the Tariff Commission, 1973. pay more than Rs. 93. a little more than half the total existing sugar factories, in 1971-72. Today there are 103 sugar mills, the were of ‘uneconomic size’ with the largest number concentrated in the daily cane crushing capacity of less worst power-stricken area. And it than 1,250 tonnes. The Committee means what? Prosperity for a very are, therefore, of the view that since few, and blood and sweat for many. no efforts have apparently been That is what the sugar mills are in this made by the sugar industry to country today. modernise its equipment, adopt improved methods of production and expand their existing cane crushing Maharashtra, of course, is in co- capacity to make it economic, the operative sector—a new form. There grant of excise rebate and similar are 47 mills, if I am right, and these incentives has only put a premium cooperatives, to benefit slightly more on inefficiency and increased black in number exploit a huge number of money circulation” consumers, in spite of the fact that Maharashtra produces the best quality Then, further it says: of sugarcane which you can get in this country, in spite of the fact that “If there is a substantial gap bet- Maharashtra sugar mills have modern ween the tarrif value and the actual machinery, yet, an average poor con- realization of the factories, the gap sumer in Bombay and its suburban between the tariff value and the pays the highest price for sugar. You ruling market price is still wider. can buy a kilo of sugar in Calcutta The Committee are amazed to learn for Rs. 4 and a few paise; at the same during evidence that while the rul- price in Delhi also, but in Bom bay— ing market price of free sale sugar I verified it yesterday—one has to was Rs. 585 per quintal in Septem- pay Rs. 4.50 or thereabout. Maha- ber. 1974 in the Hapur market and rashtra produces sugar in the cooper- Rs. 570 per quintal in the Calcutta tive sector. Cooperation in what? In market, the tarrif value for the fleecing the consumers more effectively month of October, 1974 had been That is what is happening in Maha- fixed as ridiculously low a figure as rashtra now. Rs. 320 per quintal. This gives rise to serious suspicion. After deduct- ing the duty element of Rs. 120 per I remember, one sugar tycoon and quintal from this price, the whole- a Minister, Mr. Mohite, had fed on sale price, exclusive of excise duty the occasion of his daughter’s marriage works out to Rs. 465 per quintal in one lakh people—sugar tycoons. He the case of Hapur and Rs. 450-per is a cooperator. What sort of co quintal in Calcutta” . operator is he! Of course, we have other cooperators in this House—the Absolute cheating! According to the Leader of the Opposition and his elirlas existing laws and regulations, the Like Mr. Annasaheb Shinde. They all excise duty has to be levied on the sing song for the sugar barons. How prevalent price in the wholesale mar- they have fleeced the exchequer, I ket. At that time, unfortunately, I will give some account. In 1972-73 was the Chairman of the Public Ac- alone, sugar rebate— under the sugar counts Committee and went a little rebate scheme—was given to the ex- deep into the matter. We found that tent of Rs. 1,231.41 lakhs. The Public while the prevalent market price at Accounts Committee, in its 155th R e- the Hapur market was Rs. 585 per quin- port, says this: tal. for the puryose of calcuiating.excise 395 Nationalisation DECEMBER 16, 1977 oj Sugar Industry 396 (HAH Dis.) [Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ] Congress Party once upon a time and duty it was taken as Rs. 320. What a then he came to Swatantra Party. wonderful arrangement; The sugar tycoons investment in the politicians THE MINISTER OF STATE IN can bring wonderful return. There- THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE fore, they cannot be touched. If you AND IRRIGATION (SHRI BHANU come out with that sort of utterances, PRATAP SINGH): I was never in how shall I differentiate between you the Congress Party, I was in the Swa- and Mrs. Indira Gandhi? They have tantra Party.... been describing you as right reaction- aries, but I have been defending you SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I know outside and saying that there cannot you have been a big Swatantra lea- be anybody more right reactionary der. Congressmen promised better than Mrs. Indira Gandhi? Do not let life and higher standards to common us down. man in the country. I know, you do not make a promise which you do not want, but they made promises, An amount of eight thousand lakhs though they did not want. That is was given as subsidy for exports. the difference. P rior to 1967 elections, Rs. 3750 lakhs were given as export subsidy in two There wras a slogan for increased years. Prior to 1971 elections, the production, but for whom? Every amount was not far below. The Mi- American citizen’s child has a per nister can tell us what would be the capita incom e which is the highest in subsidy for 1978. I have not got the the w orld, may be Rs. 15000 a year figures; I would be grateful if you and here we are have the second low- could kindly enlighten us. I am not est per capita income in the world. saying that they are subscribing to What is the consumption pattern? your funds also, i want to know how Production: 1975-76—42.64 lakhs ton- much subsidy you want to give to nes, 1976-77—37.46 lakhs icnnes and them in 1978. 1977-78— 54 lakhs tonnes. Internal consumption: 1975-76—'M lakhs ton- These sugar tycoons, the exploiters nes, 1976-77 —37.46 lakhs tonnes and and cheats, are getting rebates, even 1977-78— 34 lakhs tonnes (estim ated). when the mills were not started. In Mr. Minister, will you kindly tell us. the same report of Public Accounts who do you stand for? Committee, it has be^n mentioned / The Economic Survey shows a “Yet another distressing feature steady decline in the per capita con- of the rebate scheme for 1972-73 is sumption in the last ten years of the liberal grant of rebate even to sugar by the poor native India. You factories which had not produced should know that sugar is an essen- any sugar during the base period/ tial commodity for survival which generates heat in your body. And Shri Bhanu Pratap Singh has said they are talking about the welfare m this House that they cannot na- State. Marxist Communists believe tionalise these mills for nationalisa- in violence but you are all Jain Munis. tion sake. If anybody can challenge But this is the slow poisoning method these facts, he can share his views, where you starve that man, give hjm but if I have understood Shri Bhanu malnutrition, plenty of it and you Pratap Singh correctly, he would not give him that much which makes hinr. at least support these mal-practicej work the next day for you. What is by these sugar tycoons. These are the result? A stockpile of 15 lakhs the facts, that I have given him. tonnes.

I f I remember correctly, Shri So, this government now—I point Bhanu Pratap Singh also belonged to my finger to Mr. Bhanu Pratap Singh. 397 Nationalisation AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) oi Sugar Industry 398 i (HAH Dis.) Y ou come with a rescue operation. cise duty is very high. It is a small- You reduce the excise duty by Rs. scale and cottage industry. I am not 47. Have not you done so very re- a spokesman of the Khandsari indus- cently? And has the reduction in the try. I am saying that this has been excise duty been passed on in to to to brought to my notice and it is my the consumer? No. It is a sacrifice duty to place it before this House. It of a revenue of Rs. 183 crores, rough- has been put forward that Khandsari ly, if my quick estimate is right. has more or less worked as a sort of price-checker or price-reducer for SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: sugar. If that is so, why are you not You are wrong. examining their case and see whether the present rate of excise duty is good SHRI JYO TIR M O Y BOSU: If it is for them? I do not say that I know everything about the Khandsari in- wrong, I would like to be corrected. I may be wrong. I never say that I dustry. In the new sugar policy, am always correct. there is a price rise, but what about the cane price? This has remained the same. For how many years? We THE MINISTER OF STATE IN would like to know that. Cane price THE MINISTRY OF HOME AF- in 1974-75 was 8.5 rupees a quintal. FAIRS (SHRI S. D. P A T IL ): The What is the price today? It is the consumer is protected. same. Between 1974-75, 1975-76, 1976- 77 and 1977-78 what is the rise in the SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Now cost of living index? Who voted you they are passing on the benefit to the to power? We come to big cities and extent of Rs. 25, but Rs. 22 they are we forget the poor village agricultu- retaining themselves which I have rists. Today, after the price rise of come to know after talking to a num- 200 per cent, the cane price has re- ber of dealers, wholesalers and sugar mained the same. Why? Because, producers. Rs. 25 they are passing on sugar-producers can’t be disturbed. I to the consumer but Rs. 22 they are know how your recovery figures are retaining. Is it not the duty of your manipulated. Through manipulation government to ensure that the whole of figures the sugar tycoons get 25 amount is passed on to the consumer per cent black money, which is gene- because you want an average Indian rated in this process. They result in to have more per capita consumption inflation of cost of production, evasion of sugar? That is not taking place. of excise duty, evasion of income-tax, deprive the labour of its due, deprive Then, of course, payment to cane- the grower of his due, and freeze the growers is in perpetual arrears and consumer. I tried io complje a chart this small Khandsari producer—I know of sugar prices but I could not do it it has com e down in the last three as I was taken a State Guest during years. It has substantially come the emergency in 1975 and confined in down. I know that. That is why I a cell. Although we have the lowest do not want to quote the figure. But per capita income we pay one of the what was it some years ago? Every highest prices for sugar in the world. month in this House voices rang. There are countries where you can What about the cane-growers? These buy sugar at Rs. 1/50 per k.g. In one sugar tycoons have take finance—un- year in 1974-75 alone, the sugar ty- secured interest-free loans from dif- coons here have earned Rs. 200 crores. ferent sources, from the grower, one They are hand in gloves with those from the wholesaler and from this who have ruled this country for the source and that source. But it is last 30 years. You can’t remove them: these Khandsari people who are very they have a powerful lobby. I know ir.uch aggrieved. I would like the how they work when agricultural Minister to kindly look into their commodity prices are fixed and when grievances. They say that their ex- dalda prices are fixed. We know the 399 Nationalisation DECEMBER 16, 1977 o/ Sugar Industry (HAHDis.) [Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu] the following statutory bodies and organisations should be set result of the Economic Survey of 48 up; etc...... etc.” sugar companies out of the total of 235 in 1975-76. There were the bor- They have given the fullest details. rowings frorr. nationalised banks o f But the Government was purchased. Rs. 79.44 crores. The Financial Ins They are completely in the hands of tituticms accounted for Rs. 11.93 cro- the sugar tycoons. We have seen how res and the other public institutions this Government behaves. Other- Rs. 16.25 crores. W ho owns the sugar wise, after this highpowered Com- industry. Is it not the people of mission’s Report, this sort of record- India? Mrs. Indira Gandhi nominated ing, still they have not lifted their a set of handpicked friends, sugar little finger. Therefore, if you want barons. I know all of them. I ap- really the welfare of agriculture—it peared before that Commission and seems to be your political will— even there substantial number oi growth of rural economy and the poor Members have said this. I quote: people, the consumers, then you have no other alternative but to nationalise “Nationalisation of the sugar fac- the sugar industry. Already money tories other than the cooperative is there. All that you need to-day factories, operating in the private is to take it over. They are fiddling sector, is the only alternative for with your money and getting honey securing to the sugar industry an out of it. On the contrary, if you efficient and rational organisation. are a believer of only making profit or It will improve the working and allowing somebody to make profit, performance of the sugar industry that your economc activity should in general and solve the problem of be aimed at one thing only, that is sick sugar mills in particular. Keep- making profit, then, of course, you ing in view the socio-econon ic ob- will leave the men untouched. jectives which the industry must work towards and achieve, and re- That is the capitalist path of deve- cognising the urgency of fulfilling lopment. Whatever you may say on these aims and objectives, we re- the floor of the House? you will not com m end as follow s: be able to solve any of your problems “( i) The entire private sector leave aside the problem of unemploy- of the sugar industry other than ment. You won’t be able to solve any problem. You will go on having the cooperative sugar factories, more and more deterioration in the should be nationalised; economic conditions of the country. I (ii) The marketing of sugar up do not want to say anything more to the level of wholesale trade than this. I demand that in view of should be completely nationalized; what I have stated, the sugar industry must be totally nationalised. (iii) Provision should be made for adequate representation of MR. CHAIRMAN: Let the ques- labour and canegrowers in the tions be put. That will be better and nationalised sector and in the co- helpful for the Minister. Mr. Bosu. operative sugar factories at all Don’t take much time. levels;

(iv) For formulating and edu- SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): I cating policies in regard to the shall just put questions. In the course entire sugar industry (public of the reply on 28th November last sector and cooperative sector) and it has been said by the hon. Minister for the administration of the pub- that he is not in favour of nationali- lic sector of the sugar industry, sation for the nationalisation sake. 01 Nationalisation AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) of Sugar Industry 402 (HAH Dis.) This m what he said. But the ques- context I would like to know whether tion was specific as to whether any the question of nationalisation is be- proposal was made by Government ing dealt with on the basis of ideology of Uttar Pradesh and what was the or on the basis of reality of the situa- reaction of the Government thereto. tion and the needs of the industry and May I know in this context what was the social needs. the actual proposal of the U P. Gov- ernment in the matter of sugar indus- Further, Sir, will the hon’ble Mini- try in U.P. and what his decision is as ster not agree that there is exploita- the position obtains to-day? My se- tion by sugar magnates and they are tioned about the Bhagwati Commit- pressuring in all kinds of ways. tee’s Report. Has it put a blanket Whether the present Government ban on the nationalisation of industry? with all its tall talk of Gandhian If not, whether it is also not a fact ideology will go the same way as the that the majority of the Members of previous Government and will only the Bhargava Committee have recom- talk about the poor but go by the mended the nationalisation also. richman’s lobby.

May I know io this context if he 18 hrs. has not proposed to give a green Then, Sir, the Minister talked about signal to the nationalisation proposal? sick mills and said, “We will take What measures does he propose to care of the sick mills”. But, how? He take in the matter of ensuring re- did not elaborate on that point. Will munerative price to the growers of he take care of them by verbal sym- sugarcane, to modernise the sugar pathy or he will take some concrete mills and revitalise the mills which steps. If he proposes to take some had already fallen sick? concrete steps then what are those PROF. P. G. M AVALAN K AR (Gan- concrete steps. The Minister also dhinagar): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I said, “If the mills are too sick, I will think the discussion has been very allow them to die.” But my plea is ably done by Mr. Bosu. He has taken why do you allow them to become a lion’s share and so we need not take too sick? I do not think that is a more time. solution to the problem. Government can not be insensitive to the whole The discussion is welcome because thing by saying that they are sick. clarity and decisiveness from Govern- Who made them sick? What is the ment are needed on this issue. I am responsibility of the Government? sorry to say that my friend’s answer on that day both on the original ques- I do not want to refer to khanda- tion and also the subsequent answers sari but I am very sorry to say that to the supplementaries brought more on the one hand the industry of complexity and confusion rather than khandsari—which is a rural based in- clarity and decisiveness of the Gov- dustry—is being burdened by excise ernment on this basic, fundamen- duty whereas concession is being tal and controversial issue. So, given to sugar magnates. I hope this Half-an-Hour discussion will give him an opportunity to Lastly, Sir, the Minister referred give a clearcut view of the Govern- to the divergent views of the mem- ment on this point. Will you not bers of the Sugar Industry Enquiry take up the responsibility of a wel- Commission. The members are fare State and socialise those sectors holding divergent views on nationali- of the economy where socialisation sation. I want to know whether and nationalisation is called for. I these views held by the members of want you to approach this problem this Commission are held on the basis not as a matter o f dogm a but as a of their study of the actual realities matter of practical reality. In this or on the basis of their pre-conceived 3006 LS—14 403 Nationalisation DECEMBER 16, 1977 of Sugar Industry 404 (HAH Dis.) [P rof. P. G. Mavalankar] total sugar prouction in the country is in the cooperative sector and we notions about nationalisation. I do propose to encourage it further. Of not believe a person aware of the course there is some mismanagement hard realities of the case—inspite of even in cooperative factories but on his known ideologies—will say 4no the whole this kind of ownership is nationalisation.’ Because, I believe more desirable than otherwise. in no nationalisation. Let him tell us clearly whether the views which are dievergent are based cm facts and SH Ri JYO TIR M O Y BOSU: That is realities and studies or they are mere- the political outlook. ly based on likes and dislikes and prejudices against nationalisation or SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: As socialisation as such. I said, your political outlook cannot change. We do not have any fixed SHRi JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I miss- ideas; we keep on changing our opi- ed one point. I wanted to point ou/ nion with experience. All over the one statement showing the per capita world it has already been proved that consumption of sugar in selected nationalisation does not always lead countries; it was compiled recently to social good. Still my friends in some months ago. Whereas it is 50.8 India will not change their view. kg. in A m erica, 41.2 in M exico, 24.8 in Ceylon and 16.6 in Fhilippim-s, Many questions have been asked in India it is only 6.9 kg per annum. about the U.P. Government. The U.P. government wrote to the Union gov- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ernment several times, not once. Only THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE once they wrote to the Janata Gov- AND IRRIGATION (SHRI BHANU ernment after it was established here. PRATAP SINGH): My difficulty is Earlier they were writing to their that my friend Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu own government; they had passed a has very fixed and rigid idea and is resolution. They had ample time to not open to conviction. The ideas implement that resolution. Perhaps which he imbibed in his younger days they never intended to implement it. are still lingering with him. I will not But ^hey wanted to take advantage make even an attempt to convince of it and hold out a threat to the su- him because he is determined not to gar magnates, perhaps. We cannot be convinced. say what passed between the U.P. government and the Union "overn- As regards nationalisation, we made ment. As far as this government is our stand very clear. In fact the concerned, we received only one com- Prime Minister also intervened and munication and that was in April 1977 he said that we do not believe in na- perhaps. But before we could reply tionalisation for the sake of national- the Government in U.P. also was re- isation. We have also stated that moved from office. The next govern- whenever and wherever required we ment did not write to us; they did will not hesitate to take over any not press for it and they are not insist- industry but we will not take any in- ing that they be nationalised. We dustry for the sake of ideology as Mr. will not say ‘no’ to any proposal com- Bosu would like us to do. That point ing from any State Government was made very clear on that day. Shri which wants to nationalise it. We Mavalankar is asking about the ques- will not stand in the way. If the tion of socialisation. He should be State Government want to nationalise aware that we are progressively en- it, let them do it. T here is no diffi- couraging the establishment of co- culty. The State Governments are operative sugar factories, so much so as well empowered to take over sugar that more than fifty per cent of the factories as Union Government. 495 Nationalisation AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) of Sugar Industry 406 (HAH Dis.) SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: But the 35 per cent remaining sugar. It you control all the resources. has failed to do so. It has realised only Rs. 280 per quintal. It is to SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: make up this gap that the excise duty So far as excise duty is concerned, I relief has been given. In fact the ex- have rightly explained it but perhaps cise reduction was only partly made people do not want to be convinced. to bring down the prices; it was made About sugar industry, taking past mostly to cover this kind of loss. If figures into consideration is not going that had not been done, sugar facto- to help us today. The situation is en- ries would not start. You must have tirely different now. Only three years received complaints that this year, ago, sugar was selling in the inter- the sugar factories started functioning national market at £ 700 a tonne. late. This was one of the reasons. Now it is slightly higher than £ 100 a They were adamant that at the price ton. Perhaps there is no commodity the that they wrere getting, they could not price of which has gone down so start production. steeply. Sugar industry did make profit in those days* Even the G ov- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: That ernment of India earned a lot of for- was the black-mailing tactic that they eign exchange, but that situation has always adopt. entirely changed. In fact, during 1976- 77f the sugar industry has suffered a SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: It loss. This is not my view. The Gov- is very easy to say this; but the fac- ernment has established the Bureau tories will not work. It is the inter- of Industrial Costs and Prices. It ests of the cane-growers which will is according to their figures that I suffer. We had 4 options before us, say that the sugar industry has lost raising the price of the levy money during 1976-77. They were viz.* losing and it was only to prevent fur- sugar; allowing the price in the open ther losses that the excise rebate was market to rise; lowering the price of allowed. According to BICP, the cost sugar can?; and lastly, to reduce ex- of production of sugar per quintal cise duty. We did not touch the con- was is Rs. 215. sumers and cane-growers, but only reduced excise duty. (Interi'uptions) Mr. Chitta Basu, I have already re- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: So far plied to the first part of your ques- as BICP is concerned, many of them tion, viz.. whether any proposal has are on the pay roll of the sugar mag- been received from U.P. Regarding nates and other industrial magnates. the second part, viz., remunerative price, the mere fact that the area SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: I under sugar-cane is increasing is evi- can assure you even the managers of dence enough that farmers are satis- your nationalised industries will also fied. ( Interruptions) Otherwise there be on their pay roll. There is no would be a lesser area. less corruption in nationalised industries. If there is corruption, it is all- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Why is pervading, in all walks of life. I am the per capita consumption one of the not here to defend or give explanation lowest in the world? ( Interruptions) for the past sins. I am going to explain the present situation. The per quintal cost of production has been SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: estimated at Rs. 215. 65 per cent of The increase in the area only shows the sugar produced was taken at an that it is more profitable than produc- average price of Rs. 168 per quintal. ing other alternative crops. Some In order that the industry could make Members want us to take over these up its cost of production, it should mills. I wjll give you a description have realised Rs. 303 per quintal on of some of these mills. Out of the 30 407 Nationalisation DECEMBER 16, 1977 of Sugar Industry 408 (HAH DU.) [Shri Bhanu Pratap Singh] of them will die and some of them mills in Bihar, 29 are more than 30 will be rehabilitated. I cannot under- years old. If they know this fact, stand why every single mill must be why do some Members advise us to kept alive. If some mills die, some take over this junk and invest money other mills will come in their place. in them? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: But a SHRI CHITTA BASU: I know that modern mill is not labour-intensive. they are old, and that they were established 30 years back. But how do you propose to modernize them? SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: So long as the capacity of sugar pro- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You take duction in this country is increasing, them over at book value. so long as co-operativisation is proceeding in a satisfactory way, I do not see any wisdom in the investment SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: In of scarce resources by the Govern- 1977, 66 mills are m ore than 25 years ment in this kind of industry... (In- of age; and it is estimated that a good terruptions) Fortunately, there are working life of a factory is only 25 public sector factories and also co- years. operative factories. We can compare the performance. There is no differ- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Don’t ence between one or the other. Their believe that. performance is about the same. In fact, if anything, the performance of SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: the public sector industries is worse. What about rehabilitation? We have a programme of rehabilitation. Fin- A point has been raised about con- ances are being provided to those who sumption of sugar. Perhaps, Shri want to modernise their factories. Jyotirmoy Bosu is not aware that They are provided with money. only 35 per cent of our sugarcane goes into production of vacuum pan sugar; SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You 65 per cent goes into the manufac- give money at a lower rate of inter- ture of gur and khandsari. If account est, repayable in 35 years. is taken of all the s w o o n in g agents, it would be found that the per capita SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: consumption of sweetening agents in If you are interested, and can show our country is not less than that of results, I can recommend 1 or 2 fac- the average of the world. I am not tories. Some factories were taken over talking of rich countries like America, t>y the UP. Government. Now they France or Germany, but the average have suffered so much losses, they of the w orld, which is 20 point som e- do not know what to do. I throw a thing kilogram per capita per annum, challenge to him. Let him take over and ours is a little higher, not less some mills and run them. than that. So, there is the satisfac- tion that in spite of our poverty, our consumption of sweetening agents is SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: if you not less than the world average. cannot govern some sugar mills, how can you govern the country? A bout the khandsari I will again SHRI BHANU PRATAP SINGH: say these large factories were unable We do not want to invest our money to recover their cost of production. in these mills. New mills are com- That is why some kind of transfusion ing up. There is no dearth of mills. has been given to them in the form We can increase their capacity. Some of excise relief. But khandsari units 4q9 Nationalisation AGRAHAYANA 25, 1899 (SAKA) of Sugar Industry ajo (HAH Dis.) are able to recovi/ their cost of pro- I may also state that we have reduction. Asking lor a reduction in tained the dual pricing system simply excise duty by khandsari only be- because we thought that perhaps cause there has been a reduction in under the ’ decontrol there would not the other industry is like a situation be a kind of protection that is requir- where in a family, if a member falls ed for the khandsari and the khand- sick and he is provided some tonic, sari industry would die a natural the rest of the members of the family death. It was to save that industry claiming that they should also be pro- that w e have retained the dual pric- vided with tonic. So long as the ing system. Otherwise, there is no khandsaris are getting a price higher merit in that system at all. than the cost of production of khandsari, they do not need any tonic. But the day the prices fall in the open 18.27 h n . market and they are unable to realise their cost of production, i have assured them and I assure the House The Lok Sabha then adjourned till now that we will certainly take care Eleven of the Colck on Monday, De- of them and we will not allow them cember 19, 1977/Agrahayava 28, 1899 to die. (Saha).

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