Fifth Series Vol. XVI No. 54 Monday, May 29, 1972 Jyaistha 8, 1894 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES (Fifth Series) Vol. XV Fotrth Settios, 1972/1893-94 (Saks) ( Vol . XV contains Nos . 51 — 57 ) LOK SABHA SECBKTA1 IAT NEW DELHI CONT ENTS No. 54 —Monday, M ay 29, 19721 Jyaistha 8, 7W C o l u m n s Oral Answers to Questions : •Starred Questions Nos. 1022, 1024, 1027 to 1032, 1035, 1036,1039 and 1040 _ 1—38 Written Answers to Questions : Starred Questions Nos. 1021, 1023, 1025,1026, 1033, 1034.1037 and 1038 38—48 Unstarred Questions Nos. 7661, 7662, 7664 to 7783 and 7785 to 7860 48—236 Correction of Answer to USQ No. 2304 dated April 10, 1972 re. Literacy _ __ 236 —37 Papers Laid on the Table 242—45 Remand of Member— (Shrt A K . Gopalan) _ 245 Election to Committee Committee on the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes 246 Bills Introduced— 1. General Insurance Business (Nationalisation) Rill 246 — 49 2. Aligarh Muslim University (Amendment) Bill .. 250-68, 269-72 3. University Grants Commission (Amendment) Bill 268—69 Constitution (Thirty-First Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider 272—345 Shn Ram Niwas Mirdha 272-75, 303—05 Shri Somnath Chatterjee .. _ 276-83 •The sign** " jerked above the name of a Member indicate* that the question was actually aaketf 4»e floor of the House by that Member. ni) Co l u m n s Dr. Govind Das ... 283-- 85 Shri G. Viswanathan .... .... ... 285—87 Shri Atnrii Nahata ... ... 287—>90 Dr. Ranen Sen ... 290—92 Shri Shashi Bhushan ................... 292—94 Shri A*al Bihari Vajpayee ... ... _ 294—96 Shri P. Venkatasubbaiah ... 297—98 Shri Pttoo Mody ... - 298—99 Shri Samar Guha 299—301 Shri Shivnath Singh . ... 301—03 Clauses 2, 3 and 1 Motion to pass, as amended ... 345 Constitution (Thirt)-Second Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider ... ... 346—410 Shri H. R. Gokhale .... ... 346—48, 371-76 Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya 348--51 Shri C. M Stephen ... 351—56 Shri C. K. Chandrappan .. 357—60 Shri Vayalar Ravi ... 360—62 Shri N. Sreekantan Nair ... ... 362—64 Shri G. Viswanathan... _ ... ... 164—65 Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee ... ... ... 365—66 Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait ... ... ... 366—67 Shri R. Balakrishna Pillai ... ... ... 367—70 Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy ... ... 370—71 Clauses 2 and 1 ... ... ... 384—402 Motion to Pass, as amended ... ... ... 410 Discussion Re. Ceiling on Agricultural Holdings 410—90 Shri D. K. Panda ... _ 411-18 ShriK N. Tiw&ry ................................................... 418—25 Shri S P. Bhattacharyya ... ... 425—29 C o l u m n s Shri C. Chittibabu ... 429—34 Sbri Amrit Nahata 434-41 Shn Atal Bihari Vajpayee 441-47 Shrimati V. Jeyalakshmi 447-48 Shri Annasaheb P Shinde 448—57^ Shri Darbara Singh ... 457—63^~ Shri Shyamnandan Mishra 463—64 Shri Bibhuti Mishra ... 464-69 Shri H. M. Patel 469-73 Shri Sat Pal Kapur ... 473-75 Shri Nathu Ram Mirdha 475—82 Shri Samar Guha 482-85 Shri F. A. Ahmed ... 485—90 LOK SASHA DEBATES 1 2 LOK SABHA SHRI DASARATHA DEB: To attract the backward tribafs into this business, do the Government consider to Monday, May 29, 1972/ Jyaistha 8, liberalise the procedure in terms of issuing 1894 (&*a) licences for rice and oil mills in the case of tribais, particularly the educated tribal youths, who desire to start this business? The lo k Sabha met at Eleven o f the Clock SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: We very much welcome this. But as 1 [Mu. Spbakkr tn the Chair] said, all these powers have been delegated to the State Governments. The State Governments are competent, including tbe ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Tripura Government, to issue licences, Licences for Rice rad Ott MHls for Tripura and we would very much welcome it. If the hon. Member wants me to take up *1022. SHRI DASARATHA DEB : any specific case, I am prepared to Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE take it up with tbe State Government. be pleased to state: SHRI DASARATHA DEB: At present (a) whether Government are aware that these tribais are facing difficulties in gett- Tribais of Tripura have been experiencing ing loans from the nationalised banks for difficulties in obtaining licence for starting starting such trades. In view of these a Rice and Oil Mill; difficulties and tbe tribal people being very poor and not being able to afford to (b) if so, the number of licences for start such mills, do the Government Rice and Oil Mills granted in Tripura consider to liberalise the terms and condi- during the last three years; and tions of advancing loans from the national* ised banks to the tribal people? (c) the number of such licences issued in favour of tribal applicants during the MR. SPEAKER: This was only said period in Tripura (Division-wise)? concerning licences and not loans from the banks. THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) to (e). What do you advise me Sir? Tbe power to issue licences for setting up rice mills has been delegated to tbe MR. SPEAKER : The question related State Governments. Information sought to licences and now he has come tv by the Hon’bie Member is being collected loans. from the Tripura Government and will be laid on tbe Table of the Sabha, when SHRI DASARATHA DEB: Loans received. are connected with the issue of licences. 3 Oral Atuwtrs MAY 29,1972 0r«f An***ri 4 Without loam, the tribals cannot »tart H up with the State Government con- the tw dttnii cerned. There should be no difficulty at ail whatsoever: particularly when youag MR. SPEAKER : It can lead to any tribal people are concerned, ft will be oar other thing also. The question must be duty to encourage them. vefcnrant. How can he answer the question on loan? He is not the Minister of As far as oil mills ate concerned, the Finance. You can ask some other con- general licensing policy is, if the project is venient question relevant to this. (Interrup- below Rs. 1 o w e, no licence it required tion) if It does not Involve foreign exchange or the import of equipment. That applies to SHRI D. BASUMATARI: Sir, tbe Tripura also. hon. Minister has said that it is up to tbe State Government to issue licences to SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: the tribie people. That is the policy. But May I know whether the tribals are having It is seen from our experience that this any rice mills or oil mills in that State has not been followed by tbe State or are they exported to other States for Governments where the tribal population milling? is small in number. In such cases, may I know whether any step is being contemp- MR. SPRAKER : This does not arise lated by the Government to see that the out of it; it is not essential to ask a tribal people are allowed to get licences in question which is not relevant. the neglected area like Tripura? •ft MR. SPEAKER: What new question have you put ? fm «nw fasfi ft 9 ( , SrfiR ^ S r a R s f t WT SHRI D. BASUMATARI: The Minis- ter has understood it, Sir. There is a q v *rr sft general rule that the Scheduled Castes and ^ | vta «ftfr for tonfr 1 I Scheduled Tribes should be given assis- v t m m * tance in all such matters. In the case of some States, this has not been done. Wr <r?& 11 # armr ^err g fa Wheie the number of tribal people is tfr% *r vrrftrwrx v* greater, it is sometimes done, but where the tribal people are small in number, they *I? are not being heard. In such cases, what do tbe Government propose to do? May SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : 1 know whether the Government will we have the rice milling industry and the take the responsibility and take up Government of India does not think it such cases with the Staie Governments proper to encourage collaboration for concerned? buskers; a lot of waste is involved. Handpounding and other things are SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : The protected. question pertains to two things. Rice mills and oil mills. As far as nee mills a n concerned, 1 have already submitted Acceptance by Orissa of Central that powers are delegated to the State Directive on Land Ceiling Governments. It has not been brought to our notice anywhere that the 8tate Govern- *1024. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER ments are not encouraging it. If instances MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of are brought to our notice, we will take AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: OralAMtmra JYAISTHA 8, IW4 &AKA) Oral 4 m m tt « (t) whether the Oovenittent of Orissa •ho land transfer baa started in full bIW «p9pt«J the Central directive on •wing? landeeiliBe and SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : (b) if so, reaction of Government There are Press reports but the Govern- th«*on1 ment of India's approach In regard to this is that if land reform laws are enacted THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB for lower ceilings they should be given MINISTRY OP AGRICULTURE (SHRI retrospective effect from September, ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 1970. Tbe recommendations of the Central Land Reforms Committee have been forwarded h e w t o p H I • *w t to the State Government by Minister of Agriculture with a request that action b* t fa xmf *t f*r*nr $ should be initiated to bring the existing TT'SHT v x Ceiling Laws in line with the national % ftnr war** (? $t, ift policy.