Report on Phase One Public Consultations May to October 2013 Contents
Community Stakeholder Interviews 2 Online Par cipa on 5 Ci zen Workshops 7 Key Observa ons and Conclusions 10 Appendix A 11 Appendix B 12 Appendix C 18
Introduction
Phase One of the Rail Side Lands and Parcel Four Planning Ini a ve public consulta ons process included three components: stakeholders interviews, online par cipa on, and ci zen workshops. When combined, these three methods provide rich and meaningful direc on for the plan. This report will summarize the methods and findings of the three components and will provide key observa ons and recommenda ons emerging from the process to date.
1 Community Stakeholder Interviews
Twenty‐three individuals were interviewed in this component of the Phase One Consulta on. Those interviewed are not meant to represent an exhaus ve list of community stakeholders, and many others will be consulted over the next year through various forums and methods. Rather, these individuals were selected based on the proximity of their organiza on to the rail side and parcel four lands (i.e. neighbours) or their organiza on’s mandate to promote and cri cally analyze the revitaliza on of downtown Winnipeg. Aboriginal Council of Winnipeg The Asper Founda on The purpose of the interviews was to solicit feedback about poten al land uses, Canadian Museum for Human Rights design considera ons, and approaches to the planning for rail side and parcel CentreVenture four lands. An interview guide (Appendix A) was used to provide structure to City TV the discussions. Downtown Winnipeg BIZ Economic Development Winnipeg Land Uses Entreprises Riel Exchange District BIZ This sec on of the interviews To ini ate discussion interviewees were Exchange District Residents Associa on underscored that Winnipeggers hold asked about the previous water park Fergie’s Fish (Market Tenant) strong and some mes diverse views proposal for the Parcel Four lands. Inn at the Forks Foremost, nearly all expressed the about what The Forks is, and should be. Ins tute of Urban Studies opinion that there should have been Further, there is a high expecta on that Manitoba Children’s Museum more public consulta on and careful and though ul planning should Parks Canada opportunity for dialogue before the guide any new developments on the Riverside Management (Shaw Park) project was proposed. However, there site. VIA Rail was no consensus about the Winnipeg Chamber of Commerce appropriateness of the water park use “People have a sense of The Winnipeg Founda on on the site. ownership of The Forks. What goes there should be a showcase Some said that a commercial water for the city. We need to have this park does not “fit” the site, elabora ng [plan] be a model of ‘best practice’ for the city.” that it doesn’t complement the Community Stakeholder intellectual purpose of the Canadian Museum for Human Rights or reflect When asked what other land uses the historical and cultural significance should be encouraged on the rail side of The Forks. and parcel four lands, nearly all interviewees supported the sites being However, some said that The Forks is a revitalized with a mix of commercial modern gathering place with mul ple uses, in addi on to public and cultural/ a rac ons like the skateboard park and community spaces. Variety Heritage Adventure Playground. Those interviewees acknowledged that a high calibre indoor water park “could work” if it was well designed and accessible.
2 Nearly all interviewees suggested bringing a unique educa onal facility Some said they were unsure about the encouraging street‐level retail, with to the site or a centre that recognizes market demand for more housing in unique shopping and bars/cafés/ the Aboriginal history of The Forks. the downtown due to the recent restaurants with outdoor sea ng, to Others suggested a Chicago Waterfront Drive projects and projects create pedestrian ac vity and an Millennium Park style water feature, a in the planning and development a rac on unto itself. Some said this large outdoor ice ska ng complex, or a stages in other parts of the would provide ameni es to retain giant ferris wheel a rac on. downtown. They expressed concerns CMHR and Shaw Park visitors in the that housing at The Forks might downtown a er events and that the compete with other developments. Forks lacks enough ac vity in the Although some also acknowledged evenings. Some expressed cau on that The Forks may be a loca on that that the retail should complement and could draw people who would not not detract from exis ng retail at The otherwise consider living downtown. Forks and the rest of the downtown. Those interviewed were asked how “I think a restaurant and café much of the lands they think should configuration with a piazza and When asked specifically about mul ‐ be developed as public space (i.e. fountain would enable people to unit housing development on the park space, green space, or open come to The Forks and stay lands, more than half of the space) versus commercial space. Only down there and dine and hear interviewees supported the concept. one interviewee favoured the lands live music, etc. Right now The Others either did not support housing being developed en rely as public Forks is completely dead after 6 or said they were unsure about merits space. Most others could not pinpoint p.m. except for one or two of housing at The Forks. a propor on of public space to restaurants.” commercial space, but rather stressed Community Stakeholder The most commonly cited reason for that the lands should have a mix of uses in order to draw a variety of Few interviewees suggested office support of housing was the asser on people there. Many said that without space to revitalize the site. Those who that a year‐round residen al other year‐round uses, ac vi es, or did said that it should be on small popula on would be er support reasons to be there, a park may be scale or that it should have a “unique” exis ng businesses at The Forks and underu lized and may feel unsafe, quality to it. For example, some would improve safety of The Forks site ci ng similar challenges with other suggested crea ve businesses or non‐ in the evening. Those who favoured downtown parks. All agreed that governmental organiza ons (NGO’s) housing however, conveyed no clear quality, well‐designed public spaces that have a “synergy” with the consensus on the preferred tenure of will need to be an integral part the rail mandate of The Canadian Museum for housing, either condo or rental. Many side lands and parcel four Human Rights. placed different provisos on housing development, including that it must revitaliza on plan. Many interviewees advocated that have strong design aesthe cs, must be some kind of a rac on or a cultural/ high‐quality construc on, must be an “Making it all green space would be easy, but wouldn’t solve a community project should be located appropriate height and density, must more complex problem. A park here. However, there was no be unique in some way when would be covered in snow most consensus about the nature or compared to other projects, or must be inclusive with a mix of affordability. of the time. We have to content of that project. Some recognize that we are a winter suggested that the project should city. You won’t be able to draw A few interviewees did not support augment the Canadian Museum for people there with just a park.” the concept of housing at all, ci ng Human Rights, such as a centre for Community Stakeholder peace or a globally branded ins tute. that it does not fit the “public” Others talked about the value of gathering place theme of The Forks.
3 Urban Design Considera ons “draw” of The Forks should be leveraged Other common sugges ons included: to the benefit of other downtown create a be er sense of arrival or entry Talking about design criteria in the a rac ons and ameni es, through be er to The Forks site from the north; abstract was challenging for most physical connec ons and access. consider and maintain key sight lines to interviewees. However, all said the the Canadian Museum for Human Rights; design of the rail side and parcel four “We are seeing the beginning of a add ligh ng to improve evening safety; lands should be of the highest quality, pedestrian network in our incorporate quality and unique public and that design standards should be downtown. We need pedestrian art; and ensure that that buildings are established and strictly adhered to. connectivity between our busy accessible to the public at street level. Many acknowledged that the “wow” downtown anchors like The MTS factor of the Canadian Museum for Centre and The Forks. How do we Interviewees were asked about whether Human Rights has “raised the bar” for get people to walk through this the development of the rail side and site to rest of the downtown - that other projects at The Forks. Some said parcel four lands should be dis nct or is the question.” that the rail side and parcel four lands integrated. Many said that the two Community Stakeholder should reach for that bar, while some parcels of land don’t necessarily need to said they should maintain the character have the same “look and character,” Many suggested a trail, bikeway, and feel that exists with the original however the plan should ensure that promenade, or some kind of linear older buildings at The Forks (i.e. The they both complement and support the element through the site to draw people Forks Market, Johnston Terminal, needs of The Forks and the Canadian into the Forks and provide a pleasant Children’s Museum). Museum for Human Rights. Others way to explore from The Forks to the Exchange District and the rest of the noted that developing one parcel, while Nearly all interviewees talked about the leaving the other vacant, would not downtown. One noted that the development of the rail side and parcel create the “seamless connec on” that is Esplanade Riel has improved the sense of four lands as an opportunity to improve needed to be er integrate The Forks connec on between St. Boniface and “connec ons” between The Forks and with the rest of the downtown. The Forks and that a en on should be the rest of the downtown. Those who paid to connec ng through the lands to raised this concept conveyed, in one way Portage and Main. Several interviewees or another, that these vacant lands on suggested that way‐finding and signage the north, the two rivers on the south on the site could also help improve and east, and the CN main line on the orienta on from The Forks to other west have made The Forks somewhat of a rac ons in the downtown. an island within the downtown. Some described concern that people come to The Forks, but never visit other downtown areas. They said that the
4 Online Participation
The Rail Side Lands and Parcel Four Planning Ini a ve has established a website to provide informa on and solicit ci zen feedback (www.theforks.com/railside). Ci zens were made aware of the website through press release, newspaper adver sing, and radio adver sing. In addi on, The Forks reached out to their 700 person mailing list, their 30,000 Facebook friends, and 9,000 Twi er followers. From May to October of this year, there have been 4,500 hits on the website. Postal code tracking indicates that those who par cipated online reside in all quadrants of Winnipeg.
Public Space Images
A page was specifically designed to solicit ci zen input into the public space component of the rail side lands and parcel four plan. Visitors were asked to select photographic images that best represent the types of ac vi es, feelings, and themes that they think should be part of the public space plan. Visitors were asked to select one image from each of four groups of images. Each group contained photos in five key thema c areas to choose from. It was explained to visitors that the images were not meant to represent specific projects but more to show possibili es, ideas, ac vi es, and feelings.
Interest & Innova on images depicted provoca ve or unique public art.
Nature & Environment images depicted scenes with nature and greenery foremost.
Social & Gathering images depicted scenes of people gathering for pubic events or casual encounters at cafes or restaurants.
Ac ve & Healthy Living images depicted physical or sport pursuits such as yoga, soccer, cycling.
Rest & Contempla on images depicted images of people in solitary pursuits or commemora ve monuments.
5 Just over one hundred people par cipated in this ac vity. Of those who par cipated, nearly all selected images in more than one thema c area, sugges ng that variety in the public spaces is a desired outcome. The most frequently chosen images were those that depicted social and gathering and nature and environment themes. These were followed by interest and innova on. Ac ve and healthy living and rest and contempla on were less o en chosen. “A greenspace in the downtown core where people can go to Rest & Interest & relax, where people from baseball Contempla on 13% Innova on games, the museum, or The 18% Forks can escape the buildings and relax, and potentially learn Physical & about Manitoba landscapes as Healthy Living well. A restored prairie would 14% bring a piece of our history into the core, and potentially expose Nature & hundreds of thousands to this Environment unique feature that has helped 24% make our province great.” Social & Online Citizen Description Gathering 31% Public Space Images ‐ Online Results
Public Space Descrip ons
Website visitors were also given the op on to explain in their own words how they envisioned the rail side and parcel four lands public space. Just over ninety people chose to provide comments and ideas this way. The “A mid-to-high density though ul comments through this forum provide valuable input into the residential neighborhood. Street planning process (Appendix B). retail and sidewalk eateries. Hidden laneways, full of Roughly one third of the comments describe a public space that is more park‐ surprises. Addictively walkable, like, with an stronger emphasis on open spaces or green, natural, or passive a new discovery at every turn - elements. charming, historic yet modern - playing off the railway theme - Slightly more than half the comments describe a mul ‐faceted public space, distinctly "Winnipeg". It's time intertwined with a busy urban‐like environment, including commercial and to forge our own style. public street level ac vi es. Memorable. This land is 'ground zero' for future generations' impressions of Winnipeg.” Public art also figured prominently in the comments, with nearly half the Online Ci zen Descrip on par cipants no ng a desire for this.
6 Citizen Workshops
Two ci zen workshops were held on the evenings of June 19, 2013 and September 26, 2013. The June 19, 2013 was adver sed in the Winnipeg Free Press, The Winnipeg Sun, The Grassroots News, La Liberté, The Metro, and community newspapers. The September 26, 2013 was also adver sed on CJOB radio and The Winnipeg Free Press Online.
Sixty ci zens a ended the two events. The evenings were structured at round tables with facilitators to seek input into the public space component of the plan and to solicit preliminary feedback on various other poten al land uses for the lands.
Public Space Images
Similar to the online process, in the first exercise of the Following their ini al photo selec ons, par cipants were evening ci zens were asked to choose four photographic asked to share with one another the reasons for their choices. images from a packet of ten. They were asked to select Then all tables assembled their photos and their notes on five images that best reflect how they would like to use the space, poster boards represen ng the five thema c areas. how they would like to feel in the space, and what values they would like it to convey. Each packet contained two images in In order to further understand the strength of peoples’ each of the five thema c areas: Interest & Innova on, Nature preferences, par cipants were then asked to begin to narrow & Environment, Social & Gathering, Ac ve & Healthy Living, their choices on the assembled poster boards. Ini ally, three and Rest & Contempla on. yellow dots were placed by each person on their top three thema c areas. Following that, two orange dots were placed Similar to the online results, ci zens chose images in all by each person on their top two thema c areas. Finally, a red thema c categories, but with somewhat stronger preferences dot was placed by each person on their top thema c area. for images depic ng Nature & Environment, and Social & Gathering, although Rest & Contempla on also figured As par cipants were required to narrow and eliminate some prominently. thema c areas, they priorized Nature & Environment over all others. Ac ve & Healthy Living and Rest & Contempla on
7 were abandoned by most par cipants as they had to narrow reac on to a variety of land uses. Par cipants in the second their choices. Social & Gathering and Interest & Innova on workshop were asked to describe the pros and cons of various con nued to figure prominently. land uses such as retail shops, cultural/educa on facili es, mul ‐unit housing, office space, restaurants, hotel, services (eg. daycare, gym, pharmacy) and parking (Appendix C.). Rest & Contempla on 15% Interest & Approximately three quarters of par cipants in both Innova on workshops expressed support for retail development on the Physical & 20% site. The most o en cited benefits included that retail would Healthy Living create a “draw” or “des na on” for people to the site and 5% contribute to the financial sustainability of The Forks. Most o en cited concerns about retail were that it might increase parking conges on on the site, or might nega vely compete with other retail at The Forks. Many par cipants suggested Social & Gathering that any retail development on the site should a empt to a ract unique, des na on, or independent shops, instead of 20% Nature & Environment chain retailers. Between one third to one half of par cipants 39% saw merit in service oriented retail for downtown residents Public Space Images ‐ Workshop Results and workers (e.g. daycare, gym, pharmacy).
Land Uses Nearly all par cipants supported more cultural or community facili es on the site. Many said that arts and cultural As the final exercise in both workshops, par cipants were a rac ons are an integral part of The Forks and are a vehicle asked to comment on other land uses that could revitalize the to showcase the various histories of the site. Financial viability rail side and parcel four lands. Par cipants in the first and ques ons about the popular appeal of such facili es were workshop were asked an open‐ended ques on about their the only concerns raised.
Just under two thirds of par cipants expressed some degree of support for mul ‐unit housing on the site, ranging from enthusias c to condi onal. Commonly cited condi ons included, that it should be mixed‐use with ground floor commercial/public access, it should be affordable, or it should have a social or community building objec ve (e.g. co‐op housing, green housing). The most o en cited benefits of housing included bringing a 24‐hour popula on to improve safety on the site and that residents would support businesses in the area. The most o en cited nega ve impacts included that housing would take up space and would be a private, instead of public use.
8 Less than one third of par cipants supported office development on the site. Those who did, expressed support for it on a small scale if it were local small businesses, human rights organiza ons, or ar sans.
Over three quarters of par cipants supported the idea of restaurants on the lands. Many described this type of development as “public” in nature, crea ng posi ve and vibrant interac on among people. Some suggested that local, independent, or ethnic restaurants should be the target and that large branded chains should be avoided. Similar to retail shops, some par cipants expressed concerns about parking conges on from restaurant development. They also ques oned whether there is enough market in the area for more restaurants.
Between one third to one half of par cipants supported the concept of hotel development on the site. The most o en cited reason included support for tourism and financial benefits to The Forks (i.e. patrons for Forks Market tenants). Some ques oned whether there is enough market to support another hotel at The Forks. Some suggested that it should have a niche focus such as hostel or bou que hotel.
Nearly half of all par cipants expressed support for parking development on the site. Most of those noted that parking can be una rac ve and can displace other higher and be er uses. Therefore many suggested that it be done in an innova ve way, hidden, or out of sight. Many of those who did not express support for parking described it as an “unfortunate” or “regre ul” necessity in Winnipeg. Many suggested that the development of the rail side and parcel four lands should try to encourage more ac ve‐ transporta on or transit ridership, with unique bus shelters, a rapid transit hub, pedestrian malls, or bike paths.
The graphic to the right depicts the frequency of words used by workshop par cipants to describe the a ributes of the photos in the top three thema c areas of: Interest & Innova on, Nature & Environment, and Social & Gathering.
9 Key Observations and Recommendations
Imperative Character Multi-Unit Housing
Few par cipants said that the lands The rail side and parcel four lands should Mul ‐unit housing should be considered should be le alone. Most said that the strive to replicate/enhance the as a poten al land use for the two two surface parking lots, par cularly pedestrian‐level ac vity and bustle that parcels. Many par cipants said that a parcel four, have a nega ve impact on currently characterizes The Forks site. residen al popula on would improve the overall Forks experience and are While some suggested that the lands safety and the viability of The Forks. undesirable land uses. The development should “mirror” or be an “extension” of However, there is a high expecta on that of The Canadian Museum for Human the Canadian Museum for Human housing at The Forks should strive to be Rights has further increased the Rights’ “contempla ve” experience, this innova ve or a “showcase” in some way. impera ve for revitalizing the rail side is not a widely held posi on. Most Ideas included unique architectural and parcel four lands in the minds of par cipants characterized their vision for design, unique mix of tenure and many. the lands as one with mul ple ac vi es incomes, or unique building technologies and experiences, more celebratory in (e.g. green). Mixed-Use nature, similar to what currently happens at The Forks. Culture and Community The majority of par cipants in the phase one public consulta ons support the Natural Elements There was a strong desire expressed by lands being developed as mixed‐use par cipants that The Forks con nue to environments, with public and The public space component of the plan grow as a place that interprets history, community spaces and commercial uses. should establish green and natural showcases contemporary culture, and While some par cipants advocated for elements as the central organizing provides a focal point for the broader the en re lands being developed as a feature. While an “urban experience” community. Many said that the rail side park space, this is a minority held was preferred and advocated by most and parcel four lands should house a posi on of those consulted. par cipants (e.g. plazas, public art, new cultural or community project of cafes), many do not want green or some nature, although no consistent Connections natural elements to be sacrificed in sugges on emerged, and it will take me order to achieve an urban experience. to narrow and implement the best ideas. Par cipants advocated that the two Ideally, the plan should strive to achieve Therefore it is recommended that a parcels should be developed in both urban and natural elements in por on of the lands be “banked” for partnership to ensure that they both harmony. such a future project. enhance and strengthen the physical connec on between The Forks and the Street Level Retail and Design Guidelines rest of the downtown. For example, this Restaurants could be accomplished by designing the Specific design guidelines for the rail side main public space in such a way as to Nearly all par cipants in the phase‐one lands and parcel four ini a ve should be provide a north‐south linear connec on consulta ons supported retail and created and strictly adhered to. Most (eg. pedestrian promenade or green restaurant development on the lands at par cipants acknowledged that The corridor) from northern end of The Fork street level. Many said that if Forks is trustworthy and has to its heart (i.e. The Port and Forks incorporated, they should be unique or accomplished a high design standard for Market). have a “des na on” quality to provide public spaces, however concerns exist more reasons to visit The Forks. that commercial development on the site may not live up to those standards without a clear framework.
10 Appendix A. Community Stakeholder Interview Guide
• In 2011, the City of Winnipeg announced that it would sell its rail side lands to develop a hotel and waterpark. Some people reacted quite nega vely to this. What do you think the main reasons were for that?
• At the me, what was your reac on to the development of a water park on that site?
• What types of uses do you think should be encouraged to locate on the rail side lands? Are there types of uses that you think should be discouraged?
• What do you think about housing being incorporated in the project?
• The Forks and the City of Winnipeg have agreed that they would like to see the rail side lands developed to a high standard of urban design. What would that include in your view?
• What are some the design criteria that should be used for the development?
• When looking at the space, how much of the site do you think should be developed as park/open space?
• Do you think the development of these two parcels should be dis nct or integrated, in terms of look and character?
• What do you think are going to be some of the key challenges facing the development of this site as it goes along?
• Are there things that you think the City of Winnipeg and the Forks can do to be er ensure success?
• What do you think is the best way to engage the public in the dialogue on the project?
• Are there any other concerns or thoughts you have about the development of the rail side lands or a unique perspec ve from your organiza on?
11 Appendix B. Online Public Space Descriptions
“Ac ve space that connects the market to “Residen al/commercial along the railside because I would like to see dense areas of the museum and the baseball park (Those lot. Requires ac ve transporta on/transit pa o eateries giving the feel of a bustling can be 'des na ons.' I think this space oriented. Incorpora ng green space in the area. I chose the third picture, again to should be more about keeping people design for parcel 4 as The Forks as lost so emphasize the importance for the need for ac ve and interested while moving from much green space to commercializa on.” outdoor space to allow for pa os and a one des na on to another).” dense urban feeling. I chose the fourth “A Mid‐to‐high density residen al picture in hopes for innova ve, modern “I would like to see a combina on of neighborhood. Street retail and sidewalk ligh ng and public art to showcase our city outdoor space and restaurant/pa o type eateries. Hidden laneways full of surprises to the millions of visitors that will be space.” (see Melbourne). Addic vely walkable, a flocking to the area. We want all our new discovery at every turn ‐ charming, visitors leaving wan ng to return with “Unique, exci ng, different, cu ng edge, historic yet modern ‐ playing off the other friends and family to share their peaceful, open to everyone, sit, relax, railway theme ‐ dis nctly "Winnipeg". It's memorable mes in our city. Developed reflect, future, forward thinking, art me to forge our own style. Memorable. buildings should include ground level installa on, pa o, coffee, snack, open, This land is 'ground zero' for future eateries, shops, and commercial. Upper free, green, colourful.” genera ons' impressions of Winnipeg.” stories should include parking, office and residen al. A height restric on of 25 “I envision green space, with landscaping “As this is the last undeveloped site at the stories, but maximize the amount of and architecture that reflects the fact that forks, it is impera ve that this area is towers to include as many residen al units there is a human rights museum across maximized to its fullest poten al. I agree as possible. (1000+ units for both parcels) the way. This space would provide guests, mixed use is the way to go. I believe the City taxes are collected for people living up residents and others a space to reflect space needs to be both green and above in the air without the costs of annual a er their visit. However, there should s ll ground development. First: Parking is infrastructure/ service costs to the city be enough green space to accommodate important. We need to replace, and likely budget.” for ac ve living ac vi es like those shown add, parking to this area considering the in the picture, with a bike trail, enough opening of the museum. Parking should be “A strong place for public interac on with open green space for yoga in the park or in a structure similar to the garage that public art suitable for a rac on of tourists those having lunch breaks from work. No currently exists as it blends into the green from the nearby forks which would act as ma er which op on, bringing back more space next to it. As this would be build a place of transi on into the nearby green space to the forks is important and a running north‐south next to the rail line, it exchange east and west districts.” key component of the development in my could be slightly larger than what is mind. If there is private development near currently there. I think a parking lot would “The Forks has a great many spaces that the site, that could house any commercial make more sense on the city owned serve a variety of purposes – mostly or retail space needed. If so, that should parcel. Second: I think the no on of catering to tourists, both foreign and be kept to the edges, maybe along the rail condos/apartments would fit with the domes c. As a resident living a five‐ side.” mul ‐use vision that the forks has. Again, minute walk away from Parcel 4 – passing this would occur on the rail side, and it as I bike to work every day – I would love “Do a google images search for pentagon wouldn’t be built more than 4‐5 stories to see installa ons and ac vi es that row. I know it's not really my own and should be built as such to blend into create a larger sense of community . A words...sorry for that.” the green space. Third: Along the river flexible place where like‐minded locals can side of these parcels of land we need to consistently gather to be inspired and “Well integrated with properly designed ensure green space is available. This will fit energized by one another. The skate park urban neighborhood.” with the vision of the forks intended.” is one such example, however it's applicability is somewhat limited. Create “Lots of public art (fountains, sculptures, “Green space ‐ a beau ful spot for walking space for a real grass 18‐hole pu ng interac ve pieces) where people can and relaxing and playing sports. course like the City of Edina's Centennial gather. Outdoor ea ng areas (pa os) and Restaurants & Cafes that are open late! Lakes Park that can be converted to a markets. Possibility to extend ska ng trail More nightlife as well as great places to winter course as well. Integrate rapid through the area.” take guests for a sunday a ernoon lunch.” transit to facilitate access to the new Museum. Allow outdoor kiosks for local “I would like people to be able to DO “I envision green space for ac ve use with business (Mountain Equipment Co‐op, the things at the public space. I want people ar s c and natural designed space. I'd also Zoo) to interact with the community, and to be able to gather, and par cipate, and like to see cafes or some such stopping create space for food trucks. Have a occupy the space. Public art is another space but am uncertain how well that natural amphitheatre to facilitate Sport interes ng choice, but I think it can be too would work out in reality given the Manitoba demonstra ons. Art installa ons divisive. I don't think we need it as green squealing brakes of passing trains.” with interac ve elements. Equally capable space, per se.” “I chose the first picture because I would of hos ng a lumberjack compe on as a like some park space incorporated in the group yoga event. It must encourage overall design. I chose the second picture alterna ve transporta on. It must be an 12 interac ve space – not a monument or art be pre y useful too. Ideally it would “Mixed use development with installa on. It should always be in flux. It include at least some smaller (local flair opportuni es for public use, cycling, should be a place neighbourhood people rather than big chain) restaurant/food and walking path linking the different sites at regularly visit to see what's going on that beverage take‐out places, for convenience. the forks. vibrant public spaces with prairie par cular day. As the bridge between the Or a "food court" area where a few food landscaping and public art...celebrate Forks and downtown, it should bring in the trucks (like those that operate on manitoba plants, ar sts, student art local community.” Broadway in summer) could set up compe ons to "furnish" the space. Mixed seasonally. With the redevelopment of income housing for students, seniors‐low “I would like to see a mixed use building. this space, what will be done to provide rise and integrated with the public use Parking structure on the lower floors, then adequate, affordable parking for events at aspects‐commerical on lower level office topped with a slim hotel/condo the ball park, and visitors to the Forks? featuring independent businesses and tower. A tall and slim tower is important ‐ While promo on of ac ve transporta on restaurants.” the Vancouverism model, even green or transit is important, the reality is that coloured glass. The rail line can be loud, some areas of Winnipeg are very difficult “Winnipeg needs more space to gather, so condo/hotel should be on floors 8 or to get to and from by transit or ac ve share ideas, join together for healthy higher. The public space I would like to transporta on, and I see this as a site that community ac vi es, and relax in an ar ul see a wide elevated walk‐way like the should con nue to be very accessible and place. It can only be good for the area! The High‐Line in NYC connec ng Portage/ family‐oriented.” space should represent more of 'what's Main/Winnipeg Square to the Forks. Parts “A series of urban plazas and spaces that happening' at the Forks, in a place that has of the walkway should be enclosed or pass introduce both hardscapes and so scapes more of the same vibe as the park behind through buildings so you can warmup in that compliment the commercial at grade the Millennium library. The Forks has been winter.” development along with being public my favourite place in the city ever since I space to be used by residents on loca on. was a child. I hope it will con nue to grow “A er seeing these pictures, the idea of a Forming an urban pedestrian street that in the same direc on that it has been. green space that encourages and links the ballpark, waterfront area, CMHR Your programming is great, educa onal, incorporates physical ac vity while and forks development as nodes around and promotes healthy living. The ac ve connec ng with nature would be a great the periphery.” transporta on paths and link‐ups are use of this space. I liked the outdoor gym always used on my way to or from work (it in the Group 3 pictures, and would find “Invi ng, a place that draws you in, a place seems no ma er what area of the city I'm that a really great place to go in Winnipeg where you want to spend me. Nature, going to, I always pass through the Forks to get some fresh air as well as physical lots of trees and plants, integrated into its on the way there!). Public Art is a growing ac vity. If nature and ac vity could be surroundings, pa os, invi ng and beau ful trend in the city, and it would be fantas c connected in an ac ve green space, that all year round. Sustainable and efficient. to see more of it, especially in the would be great! It would also promote Medium density buildings, not too huge, downtown core. It would also be great if visitors to increase their physical ac vity not too small. More than one story high, there were more public fitness classes and they would connect with nature as four stories or more even. Residences as hosted in partnership with the Forks. And, well. A calm, outdoor, judgement‐free well as businesses. Connec vity to the rest as per usual, your outdoor concerts, Salsa zone to engage in physical ac vity... it of the Forks, to downtown, and to the rest Sundays, and hos ng of Pride, and many would be awesome.” of the city. Connected to pedestrian First Na ons events make the Forks a very paths, bike paths, and transit.” special cultural grounds. Staying true to “Prior to the CMHR's construc on, I saw that nature is incredibly important. Good the Forks as a truly mul ‐purpose site, “Mixed use, ac ve all year round, public luck with your decisions! As a total side where people can enjoy nature educa on, art, collabora ve crea ve space, plaza, note, I also heard about this great dog free concerts or presenta ons, or just pa os, people living gathering engaging. If park in the states with a restaurant (for relax, soak in the sun, and read a book on designated a green space, needs to be humans and pets), water slides for the their lunch break. Ideally, this area would animated in winter months. Not a dogs and a large fenced‐in play area, and be an expansion on that theme ‐ a place memorial, but respec ul of the lot of rec space for their owners. That where people can go to sit, relax, and juxtaposi on next to a museum. A would also be great.” experience a bit of nature in the otherwise persistent connec on between Main mainly concrete downtown area. To Street and the Forks.” “Green space, green space, green space. promote a res ul environment, a sound When I was a kid and visited the Forks, it and visual buffer between this area, the “Maybe a public space with a large scale was an island of green space in the railway and major thoroughfares would be art installa on, similar to CloudGate in downtown area. Huge wide‐open lawns, important. Perhaps this could be a berm, Chicago, or Spoonbridge and Cherry at the enormous trees, gardens here and there. or a wall with vines and plants to cover the Minneapolis Sculpture Garden. Would Coming back ten years later the whole base wall structure. If the area included have to work well with the Museum, with area seemed to have been sucked up by low‐maintenance gym equipment like in the skyline in the background as well.” one development project or another. Group 3, Op on 1, or a small exercise area Some have been good for the downtown, for (quieter)outdoor exercise, that would but others seem like a waste of space.
13 Gone are the green areas, pushed far away to be fit, perhaps play games and join in “Beau fully designed post‐modern landscape from the main buildings. I'd like to see more community building.” that complements the drama c architecture public green space rather than a concrete of the human rights museum.” jungle‐gym. When I see how the new library “I would like the space to be open to a variety park, Memorial Park, Vimy Ridge etc. are used of uses that aren't "programming “An open area but not simply another empty for public fes vals, exercise classes, picnics, dependent," meaning I don't think it should field with a bike path, I would like to see large bike rides and walks, it makes me wish the be a stage or classroom, more a space that scale art installa ons and space for outdoor Forks had more spaces that were welcoming invites people to use it on an individual or dining etc.” like that.” group basis. It should be able to be used by people having lunch during the work day but “A rec centre. Hockey rink with stadium style “It should be an all season indoor/outdoor also have u lity during the evening. I think it sea ng comparable to the Max Bell arena. park Similar to the conservatory at should have some kind of "hub" component People can watch as they walk by like at west Assiniboine park. People need a place to go like a bus stop or a bike rack, which enables edmonton mall. Indoor pool, soccer field. during the 8 months of winter where they can people to congregate en route to other things Restaurants and shops. Underground free be exposed to nature again, tress flowers in the area but also some kind of a rac on parking.” ect....Maybe even some ar ficial sun light to like a piece of art or a fountain that might fight off the winter blues. Let's face it we get encourage people to stay awhile.” “I'd like to see something that, as a more winter than summer and all our parks Winnipegger, I would be proud to bring an and public spaces are mostly accommoda ng “A cool green space where relaxa on, out‐of‐town guest too. That would mean summer condi ons, because we love learning and exercise are possible.” something iconic, or close to it (there are summer. Why not have a summer garden we already iconic items in the area, so we don't can enjoy during the winter.” “I would use part of the space to build a need to spend a tonne to compete with that). second parkade for the forks/museum/ball Something that complements the world‐class “This area should be used as a public square, park that operates on the same principles as facili es and ameni es that are there, similar to the types we see in Europe or Asia. the exis ng parkade. This would help to including the CMHR. I would like to see an A large open plaza in the center surrounded provide enough parking for days when there commercial component to help the economic by various shops, cafes and restaurants. An are large events taking place in the area, but sustainability of the area. I would like to see area where pa os and outdoor dining is a also help to keep other areas of land free for something that we can afford to maintain in feature. The plaza should have a very invi ng other, more enjoyable uses. This parkade the future as a world‐class area.” centre piece such as a large fountain. This would be best placed at the end of the land would create a link between the business closest to the museum and ball park. I believe “A greenspace in the downtown core where centric area of downtown with the relaxing the rest of the land should be used to create people can go to relax, where people from se ng of the Forks. It could become a useable greenspace area that helps to e games, the museum, or the forks can escape Winnipeg's version of Singapore's Carke Quay the designs of the museum and forks the buildings and relax ‐ and poten ally learn which is extremely popular among locals and together. A space that es in the ar s c and about Manitoba landscapes as well. A tourists alike. Along the rail line behind some useable ideas from the picture above would restored prairie would bring a piece of our of the future buildings a space should be make the most sense, while also keeping the history into the core, and poten ally expose reserved for future rapid transit line to be area from looking too commercialized. I do hundreds of thousands to this unique feature built. In aggregate this parcel of land could not think there is any need for more that has helped make our province great.” become a huge draw to the downtown restaurants or businesses to be built in the masses and make the whole city centre more forks area.” “Open space and or green space with a fancy appealing for the people , by adding a very type of high tech art that draws people in invi ng place for people to go a er work or “The parcels are pre y noisy (rail and vehicle from all over.” for lunch, or to go and enjoy a relaxing day off traffic so I'm not sure contempla ve si ng on the pa os.” greenspace would work. Anything that “Community space to bring people together. breaks up the industrial and integrates with NEED restaurants and bars waterside in this “I would like to see the space used as a place The Forks/Museum is ideal and doesn't act as city.” for rest and contempla on. I would also like it an extension to the ball park even be er.” to contain public artwork that could be iconic, “Ul mately, you can't focus on people si ng “The art and fitness aspect appeal. We have such as the Bean in Chicago.” on grass as we are winter bound too many no area in Winnipeg where iconic art is a months‐‐ so it must include buildings, hard all large part of the a rac on and with some of “I'd like to see a green space to con nue on weather surfaces, and yes, some public the features already at the Forks, this could with the theme at the forks. plant grass and gathering spaces. It needs to include be built upon. Allowing for outdoor theatre is trees, add some flowers, a fountain, maybe commercial, residen al and whatever else is similar. Exercise space is in short supply some picnic tables and chairs...a place for required to pay the freight!!!! Parks and birds downtown, so the ability to do yoga, senior people to sit and eat. My 2nd choice would don't contribute cash.” exercise circuits, and other more passive be some sort of botanical gardens. it should exercise (as opposed to play fields with on be something to make you feel like you’re not “It should be a combina on of green and lookers) seems a good fit too.” in the city.” commercial areas integrated with a fine‐ grained urban development. That is to say, “The public space needs to encompass “Health and wellness are my visions priority. not a block of parkland, but a suppor ve, parking, entertainment, restaurants, and giving back to the people with a public green conduit that threads through the shopping to add to the theme of the area garden. giving back to nature by plan ng neighbourhood.” already. Connec ng to the transit corridor trees for the future. a place people can gather
14 would also be beneficial to reduce the “A place with very low development be ideal. I believe a combina on of art, demand for parking.” integrated with a peaceful ar ul place for fitness, natural organic terrain and a place reflec on and solitude in keeping with the to celebrate music and culture would help “A combina on of green space, invi ng CMHR experience.” people rejoice and feel a sense of walkways and quiet spaces for reading or togetherness.” reflec on. An interpre ve element or “A loca on that becomes a des na on for some display (be it sculpture or other art people with things to do, places to visit ‐ a “It has to be go with the original landscape forms, or informa ve displays) regarding people place not a passive park (there are but offer things to do or spaces to use. the significance of the area.” lots of those in the City).” MUST HAVE PARKING FOR FORKS AND MUSEUM.” “A green space with ameni es such as “I would like to see large, eye catching garden plots, public art, bike sta on and public art and a number of pa os and “An inexpensive place to go for all age adult workout/'playground' set up.” cafe's to infuse street life into the area. Of groups to enjoy a variety of experiences ‐ course all of this in front of mul ‐level project involvement (as seen in the street “A mix‐use space with restaurants, shops residen al and commercial. I would love to art ‐ group 1, ac on 5 photo); public and public green space.” see some type of ered buildings 5 to 15 entertainment; strolling and people‐ stories in height along the rail line above watching, a place to stop for an alcoholic “When the Forks came into being the some type of parking structure. We have and non‐alcoholic drink and snack.” public were told it would be for family enough green space at the Forks and the recrea on, but me has shown it is li le Museum.” "Mul use" is probably over used these more than a commercial venue. This could days but that's what this ought to be. be the opportunity to create the kind of “We are losing too much of our green Heavy weight on residen al component as space many people thought we were spaces downtown. No where to sit and it keeps people there 24/7. I envision ge ng. It should be non‐commercial for think surrounded by green. These spaces something like the Harmony Village in relaxa on and family me!” can be enjoyed by all ages.” Barrie ON. It seems to bring a bit of every thing together to create an ac ve, living, “My choices above are all based upon my “Natural vegeta on walking and cycling urban type village. h p:// view of The Forks as a 'mee ng place' paths on the periphery, a central harmonyvillage.ca/lakesimcoe/” where people of all backgrounds can get pedestrian and cycle promenade, leading together and celebrate simply sharing the to a green common, and housing an art “It should be throughly excavated for any same space. I see The Forks as a mee ng space such as small concert facility/ archeological value before it is considered place of cultures, community, diversity, gallery.” for further development.” ar s c talents, events and so much more. I recall being in Montréal during some sort “A mixture of residen al and non‐ “I would like to see a mixed use with green of event where streets were closed to cars residen al uses, with public open spaces space, trees, cycle paths and a water and street performers lined the roadways. in the form of public plazas which could be feature... also some small unique shops It was an upbeat happy fes ve spirit that I used for entertainment or events. Includes and food venues with licensed think would be great in one of Winnipeg's housing and small scale commercial uses pa os....over top of an underground most well known landmarks and tourist to serve the daily needs of residents plus parking lot connected by tunnels to the des na ons. Restaurants with giant invites non‐residents to use the public ball park, the human rights museum and outdoor pa os. I think it must be kept in spaces shared with the residen al uses. A the Johnston terminal. Down the road I mind that ours is a city of some colder pedestrian‐oriented right‐of‐way where no would like to see a tunnel connect to months as well, so care should be taken in cars would be allowed like the Nicole portage and main... similar to the allowing the space to func on in the Mall in Minneapolis, but on a much Montreal underground system.... Parking middle of our some mes endless feeling narrower scale and with shorter buildings fees and commercial stall rental inside the winters. Nonetheless I think whatever gets framing the space. Innova ve, inven ve, underground tunnel system could pay for people out to enjoy themselves, while public art would be showcased to a ract it all...” bringing in as many tourists as possible is visitors and ac vity. Water features would what would be best for our Great City.” be appropriate with many places to sit “My vision for the public space component informally to eat an ice cream cone or of the rail side and parcel four lands is one “I would like there to be people in/on it. people watch. Try to limit the amount of of community par cipa on. While I So programmed with a diverse range of private space that only paying customers believe green space is needed in our city, if ac vi es or purposes. Art. Residen al or patrons are allowed in; it should be le too empty, it risks provoking only mixed use. Interes ng landscaping like the open to public use.” individual ac vi es. Winnipeg needs Hi‐Line in NY or the Promenade Plantee in density, and this excitement must be Paris. It would be great if there was a “The public space will need to be safe for generated by a collabora on of the park design that somehow bridged the rail line all people. The core area has received a atmosphere with more specific suggested to connect the loca on to downtown.” bad rap and so any opportunity to change "group" ac vity ie. providing outdoor that percep on and stand against it would pa os, en cing equipment for group
15 workouts (group 3, op on 4), having the the area, not have to bus or drive to a can shop, play, embrace history and opportunity to walk through ar sts as they different part of downtown or Osborne/ culture, go to museums, and enjoy the work in the public realm, and having Corydon. Feel free to respond by email :)” river at the Forks...but what has been design installa ons that they can directly missing and s ll missing is can we Live at interact with. These ac vi es embody the “Outdoor ac ve living transi on between the Forks! I'm not talking about hotels. no on of progress and encourage a the concrete jungle of Downtown and the Can we actually live and eat at the forks, a "oneness" for dwellers in the city. People more natural areas closer to the rivers.” mixed‐use centre of residen al and want to feel like they can both belong and commercial component is missing. be lost in a sea of other people. Once a “A dining, entertainment and leisure area.” Imagine the Forks of the Future...Shop, space is intriguing enough to draw in many Eat, Play, History, Culture, and NOW LIVE people, society will iden fy it as a fun “Landscaped: Trees, Gardens, Grass; Non‐ AT THE FORKS.” space to experience on their own as well. I vehicular Transporta on and access; Public don't just want the site filled with an Art/Performance; Safe: Well‐lit, well “My priori es for this space are 1) object, I want the rail side and parcel four marked; Non‐permanent Retail/Restaurant interac ve public art (Like the splash lands to provide an interac on; one of Kiosks/Huts; Parking with Green roof/ fountains in Chicago or Dallas) but nature, community and play.” space (see NYC's Highline).” something that offers winter interac on as well 2) open gathering space that can be “It needs to have some sort of unique art “In my opinion the space adjacent to the used in a variety of ways and naturally installa on that Winnipeg will be Museum should take on a park like quiet compliments the CMHR and Stage areas renowned for. But also a space where se ng with site lines that will help people for large events 3) GREEN ‐ as in grass, people will actually congregate to. reflect on their experiences at the trees, paths, bike friendly, supports Outdoor plazas are all well and good but museum. Perhaps sculptures could be walking. Services like parking and food when they are deserted all the me which commissioned and an enclosed path could should not be in this space ‐ but close by. is generally the case in Winnipeg it be created to augment the experiences We also need safe public washroom becomes useless. Many cafes/restaurants offered across the street. A beau ful, access ‐ like the small single‐ pay units with outdoor sea ng along a plaza would green space with tall trees a feeling of they have in Europe. There will be many be ideal” safety. Maybe even a dynamic space with people and we need to support access to new sculptures exhibited annually.” rest rooms easily.” “It would be nice to create a visual and sound barrier to obscure the unsightly “Pedestrian Friendly green space with “The space has to be vibrant, ac ve and tracks. I would prefer a space that is busy sidewalks, bike paths, flowers sea ng and con nually a rac ve to encourage use and offers something of a life‐affirming picnic areas.” through all seasons and all mes of day counterpoint to the themes explored in and night. And also so it discourages the CMHR. It would be nice to have some “A space that promotes the physical fitness vandals. It should be a mix or art, eateries public art in this space.” of downtown residents and visitors. So we and open changable space. It should s ll don't require a car trip to a city sports field be a place that the public can enjoy and “I truly believe that the proposal from a located on the peripheral edges of the city, not be excluded. If a por on is for condos few years back for this area was perfect. in order to be ac ve outdoors.” that is fine, but the majority needs to Taller residen al units at the back (along remain as open public accessible usable tracks) would bring in the necessary “My vision is to mimic Central Park in New space.” cri cal mass of people to be er connect York and reserve the area to be as park‐ downtown and the forks, while also block like as possible w/ a variety of green‐space “Transitory, shaded, with winding paths out some of the train noise. In front of the ac vi es. The neighboring area around and space for collabora on, fes vals and residen al have commercial space with the Forks is already being developed w/ works of art as you move from one por on plenty of shops, cafes and restaurants with urban residen al housing, office towers, of the forks to another. A space to be used pa o space in the summer. The reason I etc. The Forks could be our Central Park, by the people for spontaneous gatherings, chose the pictures I did was because we and it stays inline w/ the serenity & with a mix of ameni es including food, need to have a mix of uses for day to day peacefulness break from the hec c city housing and pa os. The site should remain and special events, and you need a reason life.” low profile (one story with the excep on for tourists to come. This space should not of trees) to allow sweeping views of the become greenspace, the Forks already has It should be le alone. You have already museum and downtown from anywhere in tons of it. Tourists do not come to a city to torn up too many ancestral graves and the forks. From the museum, the site sit in its parks, they come to spend money ancient mee ng and ceremonial places. should appear as a canopy of trees. The and see cool areas. Group 1 op on 2 is When will this stop?” site should model central park or amazing. Families out, pa os and shops Brooklyn's Prospect park. The space lining the streets and lots of people! Its “None of the above op ons quite depict should be pedestrian and bike oriented, almost like St. Catherines in Montreal, and my vision for parcel 4 and rail side with mul ‐level parking developed in an would be perfect for the forks! When the lands...there needs to be a residen al architecturally appealing way. Parking CMHR opens, people will want to explore component to the forks...currently, you should be out of the way and virtually
16 unno ceable (par ally underground). The site should include a dis nguishing feature “I believe that a freshwater aquarium at the north end to welcome people from would be a good fit for the site across from downtown and move them towards the the Canadian Museum for Human Rights. I museum, St. Boniface and the forks (also envision the facility to be located below leading to the river trail and winter river grade, with a park above. The serenity of trail which is a transitory route towards an aquarium and a park would be Corydon and Osborne.” welcome foils to the some mes disturbing content of the Museum. An aquarium “I picked Group 1 op on 1 for its organic would also be an excellent teaching and living art. Giant sculptures tend to research vehicle, providing informa on on become dated and I believe many don't the many species of aqua c life in appreciate modern monuments because Manitoba, including the Beluga whale, their meanings are lost. Group 2 op on 5 ‐ (though I appreciate a Beluga display may not that I like this op on but feel the well be problema c).” others are out of place ‐ concrete monolith sculptures age quickly, bars/restaurants “There should be archaeological museum are already present at the forks and more and learning centre that focuses on the development like that should be directed pieces found at the site. You could have to the core of the downtown west of main cut out of the buildings in the ground st. The big bear sculpture (or the rooster covered in glass showing pieces in London UK) s ck out like a sore thumb undisturbed. There could also be a public and clash with the "natural feel of the farm and huge public water piece or forks." Group 3 I picked op on 2 I wish the pond.” forks site had the grand trees of other areas of the city ‐ too much concrete feel ‐ We are the city of Elms ‐ showcase that. Group 4, no to 1 (already have Sco abank stage) 2 again with modern art that reflects one ar sts vision and usually just causes controversy 4 and 5 repeat other areas already at the forks ‐ 3 gives the idea of open access whether pedestrian or cyclist (non motorized). Of the above group 1 op on 1, Group 2 op on 5, group 3 op on 2 and group 4 op on 3 could all work in harmony or be ever changing keeping it fresh and lively.”
“Large scale public space that is also busy and engaging on a human level, but then also goes on to create even smaller unique inhabitable environments that are awai ng discovery through engagement.”
“People are always looking for things to "do" ‐ things that go beyond passively watching or listening (those are good too). Crea ng spaces that invite ac vity, (a place to create art, to garden, or to exercise) makes the space physically engaging and dynamic. There are many inner city NFP and other organiza ons that c/would take advantage. The community garden (as I interpret the one photo) is a rac ve because it can be very func onal and educa onal. My last choice is a nod to also incorpora ng space that simply "is" and where one can simply "be."
17 Appendix C. Citizen Workshop Results Land Uses
RETAIL SHOPS
PROS CONS
already have shops at the Forks, takes away from higher and ‐ be er uses
takes up space where there could be ac vi es others would draws people with a purpose, good for winter traffic like to enjoy, usually involves parking
permanent revenue support not flexible, will require servicing and infrastructure
would help out with the economy and provide jobs ‐
‐ already enough [at the Forks]
‐ disposable, momentary, shallow, short term
downtown sector [outside Forks] is also in need of small indigenous retail opportuni es, local wares business, The Forks should retain history
brings developers/sparks interest, brings a certain lots of retail at The Forks, ecologically insensi ve demographic, brings $$, local [retailers] would be good
there already is enough commercial in different areas of the brings people to the area for a specific purpose Forks
‐ already have retail, takes up public space and green space
des na on already plenty at the Forks
greater social gathering and revenue conges on due to overcrowding
$ income some may feel it’s too commercial and excluded financially
fun, ac ve, economically sustainable for The Forks, urban, ugly, empty storefronts if they are unsuccessful and don’t supports neighborhood sell‐out
shopping = [people] traffic needs to be original kinds of retail to draw traffic
bigger chain chain store may not be beneficial as it might take more social interac ons, generates local economy over local stores
convenient, essen al services are be er not a place to stay for long periods
brings people to the area if it is something unique Forks has a lot of shopping already
18 CULTURE/EDUCATION FACILITIES
always a good, brings tourists, what can we do to bring may only appeal to a small percentage of people people there in the winter me
would provide depth to the project ‐
historical/agricultural, pre‐colonial ar facts, tourism/self‐ ‐ sustaining
enduring, enriching, people, social
flexible expression, always needed, history/environment
rich with history, archeological, cultural, inclusive of pre‐ ‐ colonial, poten al interpre ve centre
educates youth/public, shows history of the site, lack of human rights museum already next door, lots of other public schools in the area ins tutes already in the area
educa onal ‐ all ages can use the site ‐ importance of pre‐Winnipeg heritage, thousands of years the ‐ site was used as gathering space, not recognized today
rich experience, more variety of ac vi es, all ages benefit less profit, require government funding
can be a very rich project could be underu lized
portrayal of the diverse culture of the city duplica on with other cultural projects/ac vi es
inclusive, honouring past+present less economically viable
honours historic site, brings in people, appropriate for this the museum takes of this need, we need suppor ve uses, not historic place duplicate
central, accessible overkill given recent capital campaigns
informa ve, historical, expose cultural shi s (what do we ‐ value now vs. many years ago?)
more events that let others (tourists) experience the place ‐
variety, niche lots of educa onal/cultural facili es have spaces already
‐ The Forks already has some of these things
19 MULTI‐UNIT HOUSING
PROS CONS
could facilitate sustainability of The Forks, residents would reduces green space shop at The Market would help commercial shops, increase safety (more people too near railway yards, ball park, etc, promotes heavy traffic, around) too much traffic now
would take a lot of space, The Forks should be a place for small scale maybe culture, fun, relaxa on
‐ not appropriate for the loca on
adds sorely needed housing for the city less shared space, sense of intrusion hence resentment
‐ downtown yes, but Forks no, not on a historic site
“eyes of the street” Jane Jacobs, apartments are needed in could lack environmental and historical in design the city not condos, increase density of the downtown
‐ doesn’t fit the idea of The Forks more eyes on the street, accessibility for residents, fills need, densifica on of the downtown, more culture compared to not public gentrified exchange lo s
city needs it (increase density), eyes on the street increases controversial safety, more people on the site 24/7
reduces homelessness possible fric on between diverse backgrounds in housing
keeps people there not a public use
24 hour ac vity, more people downtown is good, great if it need a balance of private versus public, percep on of can be reasonably/appropriately priced unfairness, design challenge with the railway
more traffic downtown keeps it safer families seem to prefer suburbs [for housing]
brings in a new demographic, makes for a safer area, more takes away for the public space because it private welcoming
generates more density and mores social par cipa on less desirable place to live (noise, train tracks, safety)
mul ‐family could create variety not affordable, families with kids would not live here
more people living in the area would begin to actually form families may not want to live in the area the area into a neighbourhood
requires infrastructure, requires services, bias to certain revenues and taxes people, security
20 OFFIC SPACE
PROS CONS
‐ not public
good source of revenue, could be a very rich architectural project, high quality space could bring more business to the controversial, people could be disappointed city
depending on the nature of the offices it may create a sense good source of income of insecurity
$income not public use good as part of a mixed‐use site, probably would be a greater ugly, empty buildings if it is unsuccessful revenue generator
more traffic downtown keeps it safer a lot of downtown office space is underu lized currently
if for small businesses, smaller spaces for rent, could create would make this area into another Main Street, no one wants unique interac ons between business owners and regular to hang out on Main Street public
generates more businesses unnecessary for a space that is used for social gatherings
good if mixed‐use the [office] people go home at 5:00
already a lot of office space north of the site, people go home small offices would support small businesses a er work
wrong spot for this type of use, can be on any piece of provides revenue pavement
‐ ‐
good for revenue, it would mean workers in the area all year The Forks should remain a park first and foremost, a sacred round place, don’t over commercialize
should be on a limited scale ‐
‐ not appropriate for the loca on, invasive
‐ exclusionary,
opportunity for innova ve green technology that protects the downtown has an abundance of alterna ve opportuni es and does not disturb the precious sit beneath for space
more jobs in the city and downtown the area has a lot
not aesthe cally pleasing for area, already have office space ‐ downtown
21 RESTAURANTS
PROS CONS
more ac vity at night = more safety only one func on, consumes greenspace
people love food, more services means more people living in are plenty of restaurants around the area
conges on due to overcrowding and possible crime rate greater social gathering and revenue increase
$ income, public use, but should be affordable to low income o en over priced, this excludes many
public, fun, cultural, des na on, beau ful space, interes ng, need to control alcohol consump on huge poten al success
people need to eat, food=[people] traffic lots of downtown restaurants already
brings in more people, more variety, fun environment, night big chain restaurants [nega ve] life, local restaurants
big chain restaurants may kill the local restaurants, no big gives vibrancy to the environment chain restaurants
people gathering, stay longer, profit for maintenance [of The less characteris c, no chains Forks]
healthy op ons no chains
unique food op ons, small The Forks has a lot of these op ons
support [revenue] for the area, needs to be flexible requires parking, bias to certain people
if unique small and speciality coffee and food shops, mul ‐ chain or large format restaurants not compa ble in the area ethnic restaurants
always needed where people gather, will bring people in all not a lot more needed in the winter me year round
would a ract more people to visit the places, mul ‐cultural ‐
‐ not enough parking in the area
poten al for cultural sharing redundant, socially limited
restaurants are only u lized by certain class of people/ ‐ tourism
good lunch des na on for downtown workers do we need more, area has a lot
a mee ng place for people ‐
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PROS CONS
only one use, wasted opportunity, ecologically barren, empty, ‐ less safe
Winnipeg has way too much parking already, should be Winnipeggers love their parking encouraging alterna ve modes of transporta on
good quiet use of the area unfair advantage to elite who possess vehicles parking is necessary, must be affordable or free to the general can be disrespec ul of the Aborignal history of the site public (should have a monument to it)
convenient, parking is needed for ballpark/museum bad if it overwhelms the site
needed for development, provides access for people, takes away greenspace poten al, aesthe cally unappealing encourages visita on
makes more people willing to come and visit from other parts ‐ of the city
it become a dead space when it is not being used, it has ‐ already used up a lot of greenspace
use of surface parking here would be a li le bit of a waste of good for driving accessibility this great place
accessible, buffer for the industrial dead space
‐ already a lot of surface parking in the downtown
unfortunately needed, could be permeable, most likely pavement/gravel/space requirement stacked
need parking for Forks and baseball stadium, acts as a buffer detracts from the area along the railway
having more parking would be convenient for visitors ‐
leaves land less disturbed underneath [archeology], full bus barrenness terminal would make the Forks more accessible
meaningless, wasteland, promotes use of vehicular transport, perhaps necessary less green
drivers have to make a choice, make it more difficult, public ‐ transport must prevail
Winnipeg has an insane amount of parking downtown, no $$ for the developer more needed
‐ the space is already parking, not mul ‐func onal
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PROS CONS
gives tourists easy access to The Forks and downtown, already have one, redundant increased business and economy
increased density, great mixed use opportunity controversial
boast tourism and revenue for Forks businesses conges on due to overcrowding
archeology needs to be properly and fully explored before ‐ development
signature loca on design is cri cal, can’t be ugly
encourages tourism is another needed in the downtown?
Inn at The Forks is already there (no need for another one), tourism, ideal loca on unnecessary use of space
a ract tourists to the area more than enough? convenient for visitors, a rac ve environment for guests, tourism vs. local culture, may effect usage for local people unique hotel
‐ lots of hotels around
‐ already two hotels in the area
revenue/taxes wrong space for this type of facility
‐ uses the poten al for greenspace
would increase tourism ‐
‐ already enough in the area
‐ exacerbates sense of over development in the area
new hotel already exists on site and in mul ple loca ons leave hotels to the SHED district downtown
if there is demand ‐
would bring tourists to the area already has enough hotels in The Forks vicinity
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PROS CONS
increases the variety of ameni es consume green space
this requires people in the area to support the services, not a ‐ whole lot of people live in the area
wrong spot for this, should be more in the distance for the provide permanent revenue site
displaces higher and be er uses, should use exis ng built up ‐ areas
needed only if mul ‐family housing is implemented housing not a good idea great opportunity for this, services are greatly needed, would can be difficult to sustain be a popular idea
can be used by workers that work there services are usually associated with urbaniza on
important for building a neighbourhood this site is too important to be just an ordinary site
encourages downtown living capacity ‐ is this the best use of the space? can work well in rela on to things like hotel and mul ‐family, ‐ needed because everything else is so far
provides convenience it is not a facility to be provided
would take space instead having areas for culture, fun, and should be a limited scale enjoyment
‐ enough in area
perhaps a daycare space not necessary
‐ can be located on Main Street
more daycares always good, might increase families in the lots of gyms at Portage and Main area
not accessible to commute to services if not already would be useful for people in the area downtown
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