Eighth Series, Vol. I, No.4, Friday, January 18, 19851 Pausa Z8, 1906 (Sab)
LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)
First Session (Eighth Lo;k Sabha)
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PREFACE
This is the first volume of the Lok Sabha Debates for the Eighth Lok Sabha. Upto the end of Seventh Lok Sabha, two versions of Lok Sabha Debates were brought out, viz., (i) Original Version containing the proceed ings of the House in the languages in which they took place except that in the case of speeches made in regional languages, their English/'Hindi transla tion was included and the lTrdu speeches were put in Devnagri script and their Persian script was also given within brackets, and (ii) Hindi Version containing the Hindi proceedings, Urdu proceedings in Devnagri script and Hindi translation of English proceedings and also of speeches wade in regi onal languages.
2. With effect fronl the First Session of Eighth Lok Sabha, in pursuance of a decision of the General Purposes Cc mittee of Lok Sabha, two versions of Lok Sabha Debates are being brought out, viz., (i) English Version contain ing Lok Sabha proceedings in English and English translation of the proceed ings which take place in Hindi or any regional language, and (ii) Hindi Version in its present form except that Urdu speeches are being put in Devnagri script and their Persian script is also being given within brackets.
3. In addition, Original Version of the Lok Sabha proceedings is being prepared and kept in Parliament Library suitably bound for purposes of record and reference only.
4. In both the English and the Hindi Versions, an appropriate indication is being given to specify where a particular part of the proceedings is original in English/Hindi or a translation.
5. It is hoped the two independent Hindi and English versions 'will be found useful by M embers and others interested.
NEW DELHI·, SUBHASH C. KASHYAP, January, 1985 Secretary-Genera I. CONtENTS
No.4, Friday, January 18, 1985/Pausa 28, 1906 (Saka)
COLUMNS
Preface (v)
Members Sworn 1 obituary References 1-16
Oral Answers to Questions :
*Starred Questions Nos. I to 3 17-28
Written Answers to Questions:
Starred Questions Nos. 4 to 16 32-59
Unstarred Questions Nos. 1 to 29 59-95
Papers laid on the Table 103-123
Assent to Bills 123-125
Committee on Public Undertakings 125-126
Ninety-eighth Report, Ninety Ninth Report, Hundredth Report and Hu ndred and First Report.
Committee on Petitions 126 Twenty-first Report
Panel of Chairmen 126-127
Supplementary Demands for Grants (General), 1984-85 127
Demands for Excess Grants (General), 1982-83 127
Supplementary Demands for Grants (Punjab), 1984-85 128
Supplementary Demands for Grants (Railways), 1984-85 128
* The Sign+marked aboye the name of a Member indicates that the question was actual1y asked on tbe floor of the House by that Member.
(i) (ii)
Demands for Excess Grants (Railways), 1982-83 128
Statement re : Tragic loss of human and Animal life at Bhopal as a result of leakage of poisonous gas from storage tanks of the Union Carbide factory there 129-134
Shri Vecrendra Patil 129
Statement re : payment of instalment of dearness Allowance to Central Government Employees and Dearness Relief to Pensioners including family pensioners. 134-135
Shri Janardhana Poojary 1:4
Business of the House 135-142
BiIl-Tntroduced-
Representation of the People (Amendment) Bill 142
Calcutta Metro Railway (Operation and Maintenance) TempcrafY Provisions Bill 143
Statement giving reasons for immediate legislation by the Representation of the People (Amendment) Ordinance 1984. 142
Shri Ashok Sen 142
Statement giving reasons for immediate legislation by the Calcutta Metro Railway I Operation and Main- tenance) Temporary Provisions Ordinance 19B4. 143
Shri Bansi Lal 143
Motion of thanks en the President's Address 144-222
Prof. N.G. Ranga 144
Shri B.R. Bhagat 158
Shri Ama\ Datta 169
Resolution re: Measures to Eradicate Poverty 222
Prof. Madhu Danda vale 223
Shri Ram Pyare Panika 238
Shri Vadde Sobhanedreeswa ra Rao 242 (iii) ,
Shri Chintamani Panigrahi ... 248
Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munshi 254
Shri D.B. Patil 261
Shri Mool Chand Daga 266
Shri Gadadhar Saha 270
Shri Harish Rawat 275
Statement re : Arrests in Connection with activities detri mental to national Interests 253
Shri Rajiv Gandhi 253 LOK SABHA DEBATES
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LOK SABHA Shri Saminuddin was elected to this House in the recent General Elections from Godda consti tuency of Bihar. Ear lier he had been a Member of the Seven th Friday, January /8, 1985/Pausa 28, 1906 Lok Sabha during 1980-84 and also a {Sakal member of Bihar Vidhan Sabha during 1957-67. The Lok Sablta met at Elevetz of the Clock He was an agriculturist by profession and actively participated in the freedom [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] movement.
MEMBERS SWORN A well-known educationist and social worker, he took keen interest in the orga Shri Biju Patnaik (Kendra para ) nisation of schools. He was associated with several welfare organisations. Shri A.B.A. Ghani Khan Choudhary (Maida) An able parliamentarian, he actively participated in the proceedings of the Shri Eduardo Faleiro (Mormugao) House and was a member of the Com mittee on Papers Laid on the Table.
Shri Saminuddin passed away on 5 OBITUARY REFERENCES January, 1985, at Bhagalpur in Bihar at the age of 74 years. [ Erg/ish}
Shri Bishwanath Roy was a Member of MR. SPEAKER: I have to inform the First to Fifth lok Sabha during 1952-77 House of the sad demise of Shri Saminud. from Uttar Pradesh. He served as the oin, a sitting Member, twenty-four former Deputy Minister of Labour, Employment Members, two former Ministers and former and Rehabilitation in the Central' Govern Secretary, namely, Shri Lok Sabha. ment during 1970-71. Bishwanath Roy, Dr. B Y. Keskar, Sarva shri Narendra Singh Bisht, Lachaman A veteran freedom fighter, he actively Singh, Bhola P~swan Shastri, Swami Brah participated in the freedom struggle and manand. Sarvashri Gauri Shankar Kak suffered imprisonment in 1932 and again kar, R.Y. Swami nathan, Narendra Kumar during 1940-46. Sanghi. Mritunjay Prasad, Somnath La hiri, Dr. (Mrs.) T.S. Saundaram Ram An agriculturist, he was associated with chandran. Sarvashri Badshah Gupta, the Uttar Pradesh Irrigation Commission M.N. Kaul, U.M. Trivedi, Y.B. Chavan, during 1966.67 and District Board, M.N. Govinda:l Nair, Prabhat Kar, Basanta Kumar Das, Rattan Lal Malviya, Deoria besides several other organisations. Asoka Mehta, Prem Chand Verma, Pratap Singh Negi, Sardar Ranjit An eminent social worker, he rendered Singh, Sarvashri Dharamvir, Piare Lal assistance to those who suffered during Kureel Talib and Madan Lal Shukla. the freedom struggle and their families. 3 Obituary References JANUARY 18, 1985 Obituary References 4
He was also author of several books in An able parliamentarian, he took keen Hindi. interest in the proceedings of the House. He served as Chairman and Member of various important legislative Committees Shri Bishwanath Roy passed away on of the State AssembJy and also on the 27 August, 1984, at Varanasi at the age Panel of Chairmen. of 78 years.
He was deputed to British Parliament Dr. B.V. Keskar was a Member of the by the Uttar Pradesh Legislature to study Constituent Assembly, Provisional Parlia parlIamentary procedure and practice. mtnt and First and Second Lok Sabha during 1947-64 from Uttar Prade~h. An agriculturist and Advocate by A veteran freedom fighter, Dr. Keskar profession, Shri Bhist took special intere~t actively participated in the freedom in the economic and educational develop struggle and suffered imprisonment during ment of backward hmy areas in Uttar the Quit India Movement. Pradesh and was assrciated with several District and Stare level organisations. Dr. Keskar held various imrortant protfolios in the Uni('n Cabinet both A widely travelled person, Shri Bhist before and after Independence. He had attended the Peace Conference at Helsink~ the distinction of having the longest in 1967. innings of 10 years as Minister of Informa tion and Broadcasting. He championed Shri Narendra Singh Bhist passed away the cause of Indian classical music and it at New Delhi on 3 September, 1984, at was due to his untiring efforts that the the age of 69 years. classica1 music was given due recognition in the Radio programmes. Shri Lachm: D Singh was a Member of the Second Lok Sabha during 1957 -- 62 Dr. Keskar was associated with the representing Andaman and Nicobar National Book Trust of India and some I51ands. other organisations.
A weB-known ~ocial and political A widely travelled person, he was a worker, he was associated with several Member of Indian Delegation to the local cooperative and other welfare insti United Nations General Assembiy in tutions besides being Member of the Chi.:f 1 950 and also served as the official Commissioner's Advi&ory Council. observer to the 37th Session of the lnter Parliamentary Union in 1948. Shri Lachman Singh passed away on 5 SeptemheT, ] 984, at Port Blair at the age of 78 _years. Dr. Keskar passed away on 28 August, 1984, at Nagpur at the age of 81 years. Shri Bho]a Paswan Shastri, former Union Minister and farmer Member of Rajya Sabha passed away on 1 0 S~ptem Shri Narendra Singh Bhist was a ber, 1984, at New Delhi at the age of Member of Fifth Lok Sabha during 70 years. 1971-77 representing Almora Consti tuency of Uttar Pradesh. He had been a Shri Shastri was a Member of Rajya Member of the Uttar Pradesh Legislative Sabha during] 972-82 and also served as Assembly during 1 952 - 71 and was a the Leader of the Opposition in that sitting Member thereof a' the time of his House for some time, He was Minister death. He had also been a Minister in of \Yorks, Housing and Urban Develop the State Government and held various menf from February 1973 to October:- portfoliOs. 1974. 5 Obituary References PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Obituary References 6
Before his election to Rajya Sabha, Shri Gauri Shlnker Kakkar was a Shri Shastri was a Member of the Bihar Member of the Third Lok Sabha during Legislative Assembly for several years. 1 962-67 from Fatehpur constituency of He became the Chief Mi,nister of Bihar Uttar Pradesh. thrice between 1968 and 1971. Prior to (hat he served as the Parliamentary A lawyer by profession, he took keen Secretary and Minister in the Government intere5t in social work. development of of Bihar during 1946 to 1963. cooperative societies and banking, Besides being Commissioner of the Fatehpur He distinguished himself as a parlia Municipal Board for m.)re than 7 years, mentarian and an able administrator. He he was a~sociated with several district was soft spoken and his simplicity earned organisations. him affection and esteem from all sections of the House. Shri Gauri Shanker Kakkar passed away on 2 October, 1984 at Fatehpur at A veteran freedom fighter, he actively the age of 69 years. participated in t he national movement and suffered imprisonment several times. Shri R.V, Swaminathan was Member of Seventh Lok Sabha representing Sivaganga constituency of Tamil Nadu. He had A well. known social and political also been a Member of the Fifth and worker, he took keen interest in the Sixth Lok Sabha during 1971-79. Prior upliftment of the weaker sections of to his election to Lok Sabha, he was a society. He was editor of a weekly and Member of the Madras Legislative a daily newspaper. Assembly during 1946-57 and again during 1962-67. He was a Minister in Swami Brahmanand was a Member of the Central Government during 1980 .. 83. the Fourth and Fifth Lok Sabha during 1967-77 representing Hamirpur consti An able parliamentarian, he took keen tuency of Uttar Pradesh, interest in the proc.:edings of the House particularly those relating to the welfare He was a veteran freedom fighter and of the backward classes, As a Member actively participated In move:nents for of the Madras Legislative Assembly he porular governments in various Princely succeeded in his effOrts to get the Cri Slates and suffered imprisonment for minal Tribes Act abolished and thereby sel era! years. relieved the affected community from the clu,ches of that Act. An agriculturist and social worker, he took special interest in the removal of A widely travelled person, Shri Swami. evil customs amongst the weaker sections nathan was a Member of the Indian of society. Also, he worked f0r expansion Pariiamen tary Delegation to the Common of education, Prohibition and cow protec wealth Parliamentary Conferences in New tion. He was associated with several Zealand (1965) and Canada (1966). He social and educational institutions. He was also a Delegate to the International was also a writer, Agricultural Conference held in Sweden in 1950 and in U.S.A in 1975. A firm bdiever in Satyagraha and non Shri R.V. Swaminathan passed away violence, he undertook a fast and secured on 4 October, 1984 a1 Madras at the age relief for the famine-hit peopk of Hissar of 74 years. in 1938.
Shri Narendra Kumar Sangbi was & Swami Brahmanand passed away on 1 3 Member of the Second, Fourth and Fifth September, 1984 at Ralh in Uttar Lok Sabha during 1960-62 and 1967- Pradesh. 77 from Rajasthan. ., Obituary References JANUARY 18, 1985 Obituary References 8
A well·known businessman, industrialist A well-known trade unionist and jour.. and social worker, he was associated nalist, he was the Chief Editor of B(ngali with several commercial, educational daily Swadhlnota during 1946 -48 and and Government organisations in va author of several publications. rious c~pacit ies. Shri Lahiri passed away on 19 Octo· A keen parliamentarian, he took active ber, 1984 at Calcutta at the age of part in the proceedings of the House. 75 years.
Shri Sanghi passed away on 19 Oc Dr. (Mrs.) T.S. Soundaram Rama tober, 1984 at the age of 61 year~. chandran was a Member of the Third Lok Sabha during 1962 --67 representing Dindigu1 con~tituency of the th~n Madras Shri Mrityunjay Prasad was a Member State. Prior to that, she was a Member of the Fourth and Sixth Lok Sabha of the Madras I~egislative Assembly during during 1967-70 and 1977-79 from 1952-62. She bad also been Deputy Bihar. Minister of EducatIon in the Union Government during 1962-67. A veteran freedom fighter, he actively participated in the freedom struggle from A firm believer in Gandhian ideology, an early age resulting in the discontinua she was the founder, Director of Gandhi. tion of studies. He was an inmate of gram Institution. A well known social the Satyagrahashram, Sabarmlti during worker and reformer, she dedicated her .. 1926-29 where he worked as a Hindi §elf to the cause of health. family plan ... teacher and translated Gandhiji's writings ning and edu::ation of the rural masses. into English and Gujarati. She was associated with several welfare Organisations. A well-known academic"an, so;ial and political worker, he was the founder mem Dr. (Mrs.) T.S Soundaram Rarna .. ber of the College of Commerce, Patna chandran passed away on 21 October. besides being associated with several other 1984 at Madurai at the age of 79 social organisations. He was the author years. of several technical articles on Life In surance published in professional journals. Shri Badshah Gupta Was a Member of First and Third Lok Sabha during An able parliamentarian, be took keen 1952-57 and 1962-67 representing. interest in the proceed ings of the House. Mainpuri constituency of Uttar Pradesh. He was also a Member of several Parlia Earlier, he was a Memb;!r of the Uttar mentary Committees. Prade~h State Legi~lative Assembly during 1946-52. Shri Mrityunjay Prasad p:!ssed away on 19 October, 1984 at Patna at the age A veteran freedom fighter, he actively of 78 years. participated in the freedom ~trug~Je and suffered imprisonment for ~veral years.
Shri Somnath Lahiri a Member wa~ or A prominent advocate and soc'a' the Constituent Assembly during 1946-47. worker, Shri Gupta wa~ aS30ciakd with Later he became a Member of the several official and non-official organ i~a Legislative Assembly and a West Bengal tiODS. He worked for the uplifLment of Minister in the State Government. the weaker sectIons of the society.
Prior to his election to the Constituent Shri Badshah Gupta passed away on Assembly, he was a C0uncillor in 12 November, 1984 at Ramnagar in Calcutta Corporation during 1944-47. Uuar Pradesh at the a~e of 84 years. 9 Obituary References PAUSA 28,1906 (SAKA) Obituary References 10
Shri M.N, Kaul, who was Secretary Chittoor and Mandsaur constituencies of to Constituent Assembly (Legislative), Raja~lhan and Madhya Pradesh res Provisional Parliament and Lok Sabha for pectively. seventeen long years during 1947 - 64, passed away on 20 November, 1984 at A prominent advocate, social and poli New Delhi at the age of 83 },ears. Holder tical worker, Shri Trivedi, besides bemg of a Master's degree from Cambridge and Presicent of the Neemuch Bar Associa Bar-at-Law from Middle Temple, before tion, was associated wilh several other joining the Central Legislative Assembly educational, social and legal organisations. as Deputy S~cretary in 1937, he practi'\ed He was Evacuation Officer and Camp for nearly a decade at the Allahabad High Commandant, in the State of Manipur. Court and also edited the prestIgIous 'Allahabad Law Journal' during 1931..-37. An able parliamentarian, he took keen He was also made fellow of the Royal interest in the proceedings of the Economic Society. House.
A well recognised authority on Parlia Shri Trivedi passed away at Neemuch mentary procedure and practice and Con in Madhya Pradesh on 24 November, stitutional Law, Shri Kaul played a 1984.
monumental role in the framing of the /" provisions of the Constitution concerning //' Shri Y.B. Chavan, a Member of Parliament and subsequently in moulding Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Seventh and shaping the rules of procedure and Lok Sabha during 1964-84, passed conventions in Lok Sabha which have away on 25 November, 1984, at New stood the test of time. He laid brick by Delhi at t'le age of 71 years. Prior to brick the foundation of an efficient and his e'ection to Lok Sabha, he was a independent Lok Sabha Secretariat. Member of Rajya Sabha in 1963 and a Member of the Bombay and later Maha .. In recognition to his long a1"d distin rashtra State Legi~Iative Assemblies guished servict to Parliament, Shri Kaul during 1946 - 62. He joined the Govern on his retirement from the office of Sec ment of Bombay as a Parliamentary retary in 1964 was made an Honorary Secretary in 1946 and became the Chief Officer of the House for life. He was Minister of Maharashtra during 1960-62. appointed as Public Trustee in 1964 and He was Minister of Defence in the Union later nominated a Member of Rajya Sabha Council of Ministers during 1962 - 66 in 1966 and again in 1970. He was and later held other important portfolios closely associated with the Institute of indudlng Home Affairs, Finance and Constitutional and Parliamentary Studies. External Affairs dUl ing 1966 -77 He His interest in Parliamentary procedure functioned as the Deputy Prime Minister rever waned. His la.test book "Parlia during July 1979-January, 1980. mntary Institutions and Procedures'" Was published in 1979. A noted rar~iamentarian, Shri Chavan wa') Leader of the Opposition in Lok Sabha during November 1977., April A widely travelled person, he accom 1978 and again in July 1979. The panied a number of parliamentary dele debates of Lok Sabha bear witnes5 to the gations abroad and was a familiar figure valuable contributions made by Shrt in international parliamentary circles. Chavan both during his tenure as a Minister and as a Member of the Oppo The monumental treatise on Practice sition in Jpholding democratic values of and Procedure of Parliament coauthored the Parliamentary system of Government. by him wiJl be a lasting memorial to him. All sections of the House respec[ed and heard him in silence. Shri U M. Trivedi was a member of First and Third Lok Sabha during A veteran freedom fighter, he acevely 1952-57 and 1962-67 representing participated in the freedom struggle J 1 Ob{tllary References JANUARY IS, 1985 Obituary References 12
and sutferetf impri~nment for several A well·knowll trade unionist aDd social years., worker, Shri Prabhat Kar was associated with several organisations pertaining to An eminent polhi ..:a} ~uld scciaJ WOf kef v the welfare of workers and youth. He 5hri Chavan was the Pres-iJ.:nt of tIle was a member of the ElCecutive Com. In"titute of D~ft!nc~ Studies 3:1d Analy,is mittee of All Punjab-Bengal Famine be-iides D!ing a...;socidted with a ou n~er of Committee in 1943. 'Yo:u;ltary SOCidl. edllcati00al and Olher organisation'). He was the C.uirmlo of A keen p1riiamentarian, Shri Prabhat the Eighth Finance Commis ,ion anj Klf m ide valuable c()ntributiorl~ to the also [h~ Cllo::ellor of Tilak Mlharashtra debates relating to the welfare of tile Vidyapeelh. working classes. He also served the Pubiic Accounts Committee during A di§tinguished ad:nirIistrator~ Shri 1957-59. Chavan represented the country abroad ()n several occa~jons, He led the Indian (1ele~atio,l 10 the United Nations and Shri Prabhat Kar pao;sed away sudden attended several other national and inter lyon 27 November, 1984, while on his national conferences. He was author of way to Nizamabad in Aodhra Pradesh, many publications and a number oL arti- at the age of 71 years, des jn EngJj~b and Marathi. " Shri Basanta Kumar Das was a mem. Shri M N Govindan N.'iir was a Mem ber of the Constituent Assembly. Plovi ber of the SIxth Lok Sabha during sional Parliament, First and Third Lok 1977-79 representing Tri\'andrum Con Sabha during 1947-57 and 1962 - 6 7 stituency of Kerala. Also he was a from West Bengal. He was also a mem Member of the Rajya Sabha far over ten ber of the West Bengal Legislative year~ during 1956 to 1967. He was a Council during 1958 -62. Member of the Kerala State Lfgi.,Jative Assembly during 1952-54 Clod 1967 - 77 and served in the Kerala Government as A veteran freedom fighter, Shri Das a Minister holding various important actively participated in the freedom strug portfolios for about 10 years during gle and suffered imprisonment several 1967-77. times.
As a Leader of his party and a keen A prominent social worker, he was r:arliamentarian, Shri Nair made signi associated with several social and educa ficant contributions to the proceedings of tional organisations besides being leader the Lok Sabha. He also served on the of the Indian Agricultural Delegation to Estimates Committee. USSR in 1956.
A prominent political and social Shri Basanta Kumar Das passed away worker, he worked for the upliftment of at Calcutta on 2 December, at the the down trodden and was ass0ciated 1984 with severa] social crganisations. age of 86 years.
Shd M.N. Govindan Nair passed away Shri RattanlaI Malaviya was a Member on 27 November, 1984 at Trivandrum of the Constituent Assembly and Provisio at the age of 74 years. nal Parliament during 1948-52 from the State of Madhya Pradesh. He was later Sbri Prabhat Kar was a member of elected to Rajya Sabha in 1954 and again Second and Third Lok Sabha during in 1960. 1957-67 representing" Hooghly consti tuency of We~t Bengal. A veteran free. He was Deputy Minister of Labour and dom fighter, he joined the Civil Dis Employment in the Union Council of obl:!dience Movement in 1930 and 1932. Ministers from 1962 to 1966. Prior to ! 3 Obituary Re!efences PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Obituary References 14 this, he functioned as the Parliamentary A widely travelled person, Shri Mehta Secretary to the Minister of Labour and represented the country at the Unite4 Employmeftt. N'ations General Assembly in 1963. H~ was author of several pubJicattor;s. A veteran freedom fighter. he j~ined the freedom mOVl!ment when he was stiH a Shri Ascka Mehta passed away on 1 (} :student. A welt-known sucial worker and December, 1984 U the age 0( 73 years at trade unionist, he ch.am~ioned I he cause New DelRi. of the working classes both inside and outside Parliament He was associated Shri Prem Cha.nd Verm3 was it M;!mber wi.th several social and Governmental of Fourth Lok Sabha during 1967·70 organisations and served 01\ the edttoriat representing HamirplIr consititueQcy of :staff of several journals. H·imacha! Pradesn.
A widely travened person, he repre .. A prominent journalist, he was founder sented the Coal Mines Workers of India and Chief Editor of severai weekly and at the Fourth International Coa4 Mining n10nthly magazines. He was also asso Committee of the ILO held at Geneva, in dated with various press fora, notably the I 95 1, and also went abroad to study coal Second Press Commission, Press Council mines -and other labour conditions, and the Paiekar 'Tribunal. At the time of his death he was the President of the Shri Rattanlal Malaviya passed away All 1ndia Small and Medium Newspaper on 8 December, 1984 at Jabalpur at the Editors, Association. age of 77.
A veteran freedom fighter., social and Shri Asoka Mehta was a Member of political worker, he served on several the First, Second and Fourth Lok Sabha social organisations in different capacities. during 1954-62 and 1967-70 represent ing Maharashtra and Bihar. As a Union Minister during 1966-68 he held charge Shri 'Prem Chand Verma passed away in tragic circumst ances on 12th Decem ()f several economic Ministries including Planning. ber, 1984, at New Delhi at the age of 65 years. An eminent economist. he held dis .. tinguished positions before joining the Shri Pratap Singh Negi Was a Member Union Cabinet. He was Deputy Chair of Fifth Lok Sabha dur ing 1971 - 77 from man of the Planning Commission in 1963 Garhwal constituency of Uttar Pradesh. and Chairman of the Foodgrains Enquiry An agricuhurist by profession, he was Committee in 1957 besides being associa deeply interested in the social welfaIe, ted with several other official and non cooperation and unphftment of the down official organisations in various capacities. trodden, He took special interest in the spread of education and eradication of A prominent social and political worker social evils. and a trade urJionist, he founded the ~Hindi Mazdoor Sabha' in 1949 and was Shri Pratap Singh Negi passed away on its first General Secretary 18th December, 1984, at Kotdwara, Garhwal, at the age of 87 years, A veteran freedom fighter, he actively participated in the Freedom struggle and Sardar R&njit Singh was a Member of suffered imprisonment for several years. tbe Constituent Assembly. Provisional Parliament and First and Third Lok An able parliamentarian, he made posi. Sabha during 1949-57 and 1962-61 tive contributions to the Debates both as representing Sangrur constituency of a Member and a Minister. Punjab. 15 Obituary References' JANUARY 18, 1985 Obituary References t 6
A prominent social worker and educa Shri Madan Lal Shukla was a Member tionist, he took keen interest in the deve of the Sixth Lok Sabha during 1977-79 lOpment of education. Besides being the from Janjigir constituency of Madhya Vice Pre~ident of the New Delhi Munici Pradesh. pal Committee for three years, he func tioned as Honorary Magistrate in New Delhi for several years. A well known social worker and trade unio:list, he was associated with several trade unions besides being a member of Sardar Ranjit Singh P~ssed away on Bilaspur Municipal Committee for about 20lh Decemher, 1984, at New Delhi at twenty years. He worked for the uplift .. the age of 87 years. ment of Tribals.
Shri Dharamvir. who was a sitting A prominent journalist, he was the Member of Rajya Sabha and a Minisler Editor of the weekly 'Chhatisgarh of Sta te in the Min istry of Labour and Gaurava.' Rehabilitation, passed away on 22nd December, 1984, at the age of 48 years.
Earlier he was a Member of the Uttar Shri Mad~n Lal Shukla passed away Pradesh Legislative Assembly and also on 29th Decemb.!r, J984, at Bilaspur at Minister in the State Cabinet for se\eral the age of 56 years. years.
/Priends, as all of you are aware, on An advocate by pre fession, he took the Monday morning of 3rd December keen interest in the up1i~tm;!nt of Schedu 1984, the worst environmental d:saster in led Caste; and other welker sections of the history took place due to leakage of sl)cie'y Beside~ being as~ociated with pOIsonous Methul Isocyanate gas at the Zila Parishad, he was also a Member of Union Carbide Pe~ticide Factory in the City Corporation at Allahabad, He Bhopal. The magnitude of the tragedy was a candidate to this Lok Sabha from was such that within a week's time more Chail constituency of Uttar Pradesh but than two thousand lives of innocent in passed away before the date of polling. fdnts, men and women were lost and it left several thousand homeless, Providing Shri Piare Lal Kureel TaJib was a immediate shelter, food, clothing and Member of Central Leg:slative Assembly specialised medical aid, adequate finan and First Lok Sabha during 1942-46 and cial relief, etc., to the bereaved and affec 1952-57. He was a sitting Member of ted families and their rehabilitation were Rajya Sabha since 1974 and earlier tasks of enormous magnitude. A Iso, it during 1960-66. He was elected to the was essential that necessary action was U tta r Pradesh Legislative Council in 1967. taken against persons responsible for the A well known social worker, he worked leakage of toxic gas and to prevent such relentlessly for the I,pliftment of Schedu catastrophes in future. Jed Castes and weaker sections of society and was associated with several social We deeply mourn the loss of these organisations. friends. I am sure the House will join me in conveying our condolences to the bereaved families. A prominent journalist, he was Editor in-Chief of several journals bes!des being Chairman of Uttar Pradesh Films Produc The House may stand in silence for a tion Limited. short while to express its sorrow.
The Members then stocJd in siltn:e for Shri Talib passed away on 27th Q short while December, 1984, at New Delhi at the age of 68 years. 17 Oral Answers PAUSA 28,1906 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS banks with reference to the requirements of individual borrowers it is not possible [ English] to attempt any State-wise estimlte in this regard. Special Steps to Assist Trade and In dustry in States SHRI CHITTA MAH\TA: I have gone throu~h the state:n!nt of the hon. *1. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: Minister but I am not fully convinced. Will the Minister of FINANCE be ple:lsed to state: I think one of the most important f)ctors of the present crisis in trade and (a) whether Government have taken industry is due to the financial stringency special sleps to as'iist trlde and industry and lack of credit facilities. Moreover, in all the States by increasing crejit limits the limit is applicable to a great extent and re-scheduling loan payments; tr) the small scale industries and not to medlUm and large scale industries and (b) if so, the details thereof; and trade. In view, of this, I would like to know from the hone Minister whether ( c) the extent to which We3t B:!ngal Government have made any provision would get assistance in comparison to keeping in view the Tandon Committee other States ? and M lTathe committee recommendations for revising the credit limit and financial THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE assistance for the deve]opm~nt of industry MINISTRY OF FINANCE rSHRI JANAR and trade. lJHANA POOJAR Y): (a) to (C). A Statement is laid on the Table of the SHRI JA "'lARDHANA POOJARY: The House. basic tenet of the credit policy pursued by the Reserve Bank of India is to Statement restrain credit expansion in aggregate terms. It is the duty of the Reserve Reserve Bank has been advising the banks Bank of India and the Government of to ens'lre that the credit as'iistance ex India to contain the inflationary pressures tended by th em to their constituents is in the economy. So we cannot afford to timely and adequate to meet genuine re deploy funds so far as hoarding and quirements of their productive activities, smuggling is concerned. But we are in accordance with national priorities. In meeting the genuine requirements of the October. 1984 in their circular to banks trade and industry. on the Busy Season Credit Policy, Reserve Bank has asked the banks to provide SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: I wanted adequate credit support to sectors where to know whether you are implementing there is a revival of industrial growth. the Marathe Committee's recommendation Such support is expected to be extended or not. by the banks in relation to the production performance of each borrowing unit. This SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: does not imply any general enhance Marathe Committee's report has been ment of the credit limits. accepted by Reserve Bank with certain modifica~ions and we are implementing it. Reschedulement of Joans is undertaken That is why I said that we are meeting by the banks to provide relief when the the genuine requirements of trade and borrowers are affected by natural calami. industry. ties or by other specific factors affecting production. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: The trade industry in West Bengal is affected Since the credit requirement and terms for want of financial assistance and credit of repayments are determined by the facilities from Central Governmeat. In 19 Drat Answers JANUARY 18, 1985 Oral Answers 20
view of this, what is the Government Government propose to give financial decision to provide more financial assis assistance to the Stdte Governments on tance and more credit facilities for the the basis of population? development of the sick industrial un its and the proposed Haldia Petro-Chemical Complex and the Salt Lake industrial [English] units in Calcutta. SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Sir, it is not papulat ion that is being SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: counted while deploying assistance. It' is The flow of credit to any particular State based on econmic act ivity. depends upon 'he infra-structure facilities built in that particular area. It depends SHRI PIYUS TJRAKY Sir, the upon the economic activity part'cularly Finance Commission has aJre~dy recOm bow the industries are coming up in that mended that West Een!!al Government particular area, how the economic acti. was entitled to have Rs. 325 crores for vities are progressing in that particuhr its develarn-,ent w0rk but due to the area. It depends upon the industrial rejection frC'm the Union Government the relationship as well as the management and \\'est Bengal Government was not given entrepreneurship that is avaiJable in the this sum. I would like to know why the particular area. So far as small industries amount which has been recommended by are concerned, in every area whether it the Finance Commission was not given to is West Bengal or any other State, as I West Bengal. Secopdly. is it not a fact stated earlier, it depends upon the promo that since West Bengal g0V(,1 nment tion of tbe small scale industries in a happens to be a non-Congress (I) go\ern particular State. ment this money has not been released to it; tbirdly, wi1J the [ew government im SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: In mediately release Rs, 325 crores to West order to provide financial assistance and Bengal government? credit to the sick industries in West Bengal, the Government of West Bengal SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: sent a proposal for according ap Sir, this question relates to special steps proval for bank setting up a new to assist trade and industry, that is, the in the State of West Benga1. May assistance being given from financial the Minister what I know from hone institutions, It has nothing to do with steps have been taken in this regard, the question that has been raised and the regarding opening of a new Bank or hon, Member may give a separate notice according approval of a bank in the for the same. State of West Bengal, This proposal came from the State 2 years back, What action has been taken in this regard ? Commissioning of National Aluminium Company Limited, Orissa SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: *2 SHRT GIRIDHAR GOMANGO = This is under the consideration of the 1 Reserve Bank. But at this stage there is Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES DO decision. AND COAL be pleased to state:
[Translation] (a) whether the progress m,ad.e ~Y the NALCO. Orissa for commlsslonmg the SHRI RAMSWAROOP RAM: Mr. A lumina- Aluminium project has been Speaker, Sir~ it has been observed that delayed; if so, the reasons thereof; sometimes regional imbalance is caused because of the financial assistance that is given by the Centre to the State Govern (b) the progress made so far since the ments I would~ therefore, like to know starting of the A)umina .. AllJmin:um com from the Hon. Minister whether the plex, component· wise; 21 Oral Answers PAUSA 28,1906 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22
(c) steps taken by his Ministry to The total cumulative expenditure on speed up the work and complete tbem in the Project upto December, 1984 is stipulated period; and Rs. 905 76 crores.
(d) funds provided so far and to be The revised cost estimates of the Pro. provided for the complex '1 ject, giving the requirem.:nt of funds for the completion of the Project, are THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES under consideration. AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) to [d). A statement is laid on the SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: Table of tbe House. I would like to know from the hone Minister what was the initial date of com pletion of this project and also the revised Statement date of commissioning the project. What has the Ministry done to see that further (a) Original Project schedule was delay does not occur on account of the reappraised last year on account of initial four components, namely, money, machi
time lost for translating basic engineering nery t management and monitoring at the data of Aluminium Pechiney of France, project level ? technical consultants. into detailed speci fications to meet indigenous requirements SHRI VASANT SATHE: The origi and for global bidding. No delay is nal date known as the zero date was anticipated as per the revised schedule. January 1981 but as we made change in the whole structure by incorporating indi (b) The progress segment wise as on genous sector a larger portion of work 31.12.1984 is indicated below: that is why the effective zero date has been changed to February, 1982. In terms of this zero date we do not see any need for Project Segment %Construction delaying the revised target date, namely, Progress mines November 1985 ; alumina Septem b~r 1986, aluminium December 1986 1. Mines 79.2 and for captive power plant it will be September 1986. Therefore, we are hope 2, Alumina 40,2 ful that we will start on time and all precautions are being taken to see tbat 3. Aluminium Smelter 41.7 all the four factors which my hone friend men tioned are taken care of. 4. Captive Power Plant 35,8 SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: Sir, I had asked the details about the four (c) The progress of the project is components. It is alright. My second being continuously monitored by the supplementary is that they have given the Ministry. Wherever problem areas are four components but apart from that there thrown up, necessary assistance is ren are other components, namely, port faci. deled. lities, railway line, employment and re habilitation of displaced persons. What (d) The Company contracted a Euro have they done in respect of these four Dollar Joan of US$ 680 million in 1981, aspects '1 and a French Credit of 1750 Million French Francs were made available. The SHRI VASANT SATHE: The port Company has also been granted equity facility at Visakhapatnam Port is also of Rs. 294.34 crores so far. Recently, being created simultaneously. We hope the Company has signed an agreement that the port facility will be available b:f for another Euro-Dollor Loan of US $ December, 1985. As far as rehabilitation 300 Million 00 21,12.1984. is concerned, we have given an assurance 23 Oral Answers JANUARY 18, 1985 Oral Answers 74 that one person per family of those who constructed by September, 1986. The are displaced from land will be given first unit of the captive power plant wiJI employment in this project. Sir, that be ready by September, 1985 That is to assurance stands; and we are going on say, both will be ready hefore we start employing people because the project has producing aluminium. Therefore, there is not yet been completed, it is just in the no fear on that ground. process. Therefore, we are sticking to these guidelines of rehabilitation as well as SHRI BIJAYANANDA PATNAIK : I giving employment to the people both ask~d about the alumina plant. from the area as well as Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. SHRI VASANT SATHE: For alumina also, this will be simultaneous. So, both SHRI BIJAYANANDA PATNAIK for alumina and aluminium, there will be May 1 know from the hon. Minister as to captive power plant ready before that what is the date when the railway line date. connecting the project to the main Howrah. Vizag line will be completed? As far as railway line is concerned, attempts are being made to see that the May I know whether the power plant port facility is ready by De<.ember, 1985. wiJI be completed before the alumina plant The Koraput. Machapalli railway line is or is it the case lhat alumina wi)) be pro likely to be compJeted by June, 1985. duced before the power plant is com This will serve the needs of the plant. pleted ? SHRI BIJAYANANDA PATNAtK Thirdly, what has been the actual over If it is completed, how wiJI you transport run from the original estimate till the alumina to the site? final estimate as of now ? SHRI VASANT SATHE I don't be- SHRI V ASANT SATHE: Regarding lieve in hypothetical considerations. original over-run.
SHRI BIJAYANANDA PATNAIK: SHRI BIJAYANANDA PATNAIK: Please answer the first one. It is not hypothetical. Mr. Minister, I asked you about over,..run of expenditure and not over-run of time. SHRI V ASANT SATHE: I am answer ing it. I will take your last question first if you do not mind. MR. SPEAKER: What he said is on record. You can pursue it. SHRI BIJAYANANDA PATNAIK I am not so clever. SHRI BIJAYANANDA PATNAIK: What was the original estimate and what SHRI VASANT SATHE: I grant your is the final estimate now? cleverness. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Regarding As far as the railway facililY and port over-run of expenditure the position is facility are concerned, there, the earlier this. Revised cost has increased from over-run, as I explained, was of ten 1242.4 crores at first quarter 1980 price .. months. Now we don't expect any further level, just because of price escalation. over-run on the dates which are already T oday's revised cost is of the order of given. Rs. 2218 crore at 1984 prices.
As far as the captive power plant is SHRI BlJAYANANDA PATNAIK: In concerned, the captive power plant wiJl be 4 years it has come to double the amount. 25 Oral Answers PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26
SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: g'vtng proper training to them. This May I know from the hon. Minister facility is being looked into. whether it has come to the notice of the Government that in those areas the {Translation} scheduled castes and schedu1ed tri!)es peo ple h3d to be given due representation in SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS 11\ the services but this has not been done? reply to question No.2, the cost estimates May I know from the Government about were said to be a total of Rupees one rehabilitation programme of those tribal rhousand and odd Cfores. Now you have people who have been displac~d whether said that the revised cost is of the order the little money that was given to the of Rupees two thousand crores. What are 'tribal people to build houses has not been the reasons for this rise;: ill cost esti· properly ulilised? ! whether May know mates? the houses were inspected by the higher authorities as to what cost of houses have been given to them 1 So far as the em· [English] ployment of persons whose lands have SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, the been acquired is concerned, I would like variation of Rs. 975.68 crores between to know whether it is a fact that sufficient the sanctioned cost estimates at 1980 number of persOns has heen employed in prices and the revised cost estimates can all these four projects. J would also like be broadly ana'ysed iike this Escalation the hon. Minister to state whether any of cost on account of inflation factor-a4i monitoring has been dOne to this effect. the original estimates were based on the SHRI V ASANT SATHE: As far as first quarter of 1980 prices-amounts to the question of housing is concerned, Rs. 7 7 0.95 crores including Kg. 6.14 earlier it was thought fhat if we can giv~ price preference given to the public sector cash to enable them construct houses That undertakings. That means, out of 975.68 might hetp. But now, it has been dis crores which is the addition, the amount covered that the cash grant is not sufficient of Rs. 770.95 crores is just because of and sometimes they do not build their the present price. houses Now, ~e ourselves are going to provide houses to those people who win (Interruptions) be employed in these projects.
AN HON. MEMBER: Are those [Tran.rlationj people dis;Jlaced 1 SHRI V ASANT SATHE: There is nO SHRI V ASANT SA THE: Yes, they question of embezzlement. The man are displaced persons. And as we employ knowing economics will understand this. them obviously, you don"t expect us to give them houses before we employ them. [Enxlish] Therefore, this direction has been given and we will, as I said, stick to the guide Sir, this is only not ionai. Let us under lines given in thi-s connection. stap.d this. I think the man knowing economics will understand this. SCOPE SHRI DB. PATIL: Sir. the hon. changes made to meet the process require Minister has stated that the displaced ments and site condition. The total on persons wiB be rehabilitated, That is a account of SCOPE changes ammmts to good thing. I would like to know from Rs. 145 66 crores. As I told you about the hon. Minister whether any training SCOPE change, we (1ecided indigenization programme for the sons and daughters of instead of having turn,key project. When the agriculturists whos~ lands have been you ru't a thing, the indig~nous c('st is acquired has been included to train them higher. But then w~ have to bear the cost so tnat they are given job in these projects. because we want to encourage indlgenc-us SHRI VASANT SATHE: Ye~, that is production That is why we have 10 bear also being taken into considera(ion for it. Quantity variation represen'.ing additio- JANUARY IS', rggS OmT AnlWlm 28
01 qUaDtity over the above original est'i (0) tke steps Governmellt propilse to mate based 00 detailed engiJilee,ing aad take in t.h~ regard 7 process require.ent amounts to Its, 55 Ji erores. Tbese ate the deta ils.. THE MINJSTE& OF FINANCE AND COMMERCE AND SlJPPLY (SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH): Overdrafts drawn by States (a) A statement is laid gil tbe Table of tbe Hoax. ·3. SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN : (b) The prnbJem of vyerdJafts has Will the- Miaistef gf FINANCE ~ pleas }reen discH!sed with the State Govern ed to state :: ments and they have been advised to rc order their budgetary prioritiQs in sucb ~a) the J7fesent positron 01 overaJ'afss a manner as 10 a~oid ];ecOU'se t() Ilrawn by the State!t>; acd QVetdralts...
Statement
State Govenament Overdrafts of States as on 11-1-1985 (Rs. in crores)
AnQ1m1, Pradesh 213.3&
Assam 25.91
6ujarat 14.90
Haryana. 47.07 Earnatakal .... 223.30
~rara 211.76
Madhya Ptadesb 10.49
Mahacashtr81 14.26
Jlagalandl 8.88
44.98
Punjafr 92.31
RajasthaD' 9.15
1amil' NadU 22.04
Vttar Pradeso 297.36
'II. BengaJ. 219.45 -~~-~~-~------Total 1515.24 PA 'tfSA '2~, 1~t>6 r SAKA)
SHRI AMAR ROYPRAOHAN: any Central Govemment sup port any such Mr Speaker, Sit', in the J:a9t Lok Sabha 'financial management by a Stat-e oelection, overdraft issue was the mam GoverameRt 7 issue Alrsed .against the West Bengal Government by the Congress Party ~lere. SHRI NARAYAN" CHOUBEY: Will They said the overdraft reftectecJ the fiscal you give a statemeat is respect of an mismanagement of the Left Front States '1 Government there. Now, that we have got this an~wet", I W1)uid ~i1
MR. SPEAKER: I am allowing you a supplementary, but not before the other WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS supplementaries. It takes time. Why do you shout like that? Are you SO [English] much hurt? It is not the proper manner to interrupt him. This is his point of Equipping of Pak Air Force with U.S. view. You make out yours. It does manufactured E-2C Howkeye Early not matter. '\\'arning and Control Planes *4. SHR[ VIJAY KUMAR YADAV: SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP Will the Minister of DEFENCE be SINGH: I very much agree with the pleased to state: essence of what the hone member has behind his que~tion. There is certainly (a) whether Pakistan has equipped need for discipline in States and parti its airforce with U.S. manufactured E-2C cularly those States which are in huge Howkeye early warning and control overdraf\. planes; 33 Written Answers PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Written Answers 34
(b) if so, the details thereof; and in the amount of pension actually drawn by persons retiring at different points of time although they retire from the ,{c) the steps taken by Government in Military service with the same rank. This this regard and also in view of the fact is because of the fact that pension amount that Pakistan has already equipped itself is related to the reckonable emoluments with F-16s which can hit any part of the number of years of q ualifying servic~ India '1 put in by the Government servant and the prevailing conditions of service at the THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE time of retirement. (SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) and (b). Government has seen reports Government are aware of the hardship appearing in a section of the press in tpis experienced by the pensioners and have regard. taken various steps from time to time to provide relief within the avaiJable (c) Government carefully monitors all resources. The important steps taken with developments having a bearing on the respect to the pension of ex-servicemen security of the country and takes effective are listed in the attached statement. steps to ensure full defence preparedness at all times. Regarding other facilities available to various categories of ex-servicemen, tbere [Translation] are no wide ranging disparties. Disparities in Pension and other Facilities Available to Various (b) Yes, Sir. Categories of Ex-Sen iceman fc) & (d). The main recommendations • 5. SHRI HARISH RA WAT : Will of the High Level Committee are the the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to following :- state: (i) The legislation of enactments by . (a) the steps being taken by Govern both the Centre and the States to ment to remove the wide ranging dispari give statutory backing to some of' ties in pension and other facilities the welfare measures. available to various categories of ex- servicemen ; (ii) The constitution of a Parliamen .. tary Committee consisting of (b) whether his Ministry has since members from both Houses to received the recommendations of the oversee the implementation of Committee constituted in this regard; various schemes and facilities for ex.servicemen. (c) if so, the main recommendations of the Commi ttee ; and (iii) The incorporation of ex-service men's welfare and proglammes (d) not, the time by which these if connected therewith, in the are likely to be received '1 Seventh Five Year Plan witb a recommended outlay of Rs. 350 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE crores to be shared by the Centre (SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) and the States. The pensionary entitlement of all Govern ment servants, both civilian and Defence, is determined as per rules appl\cable at the (iv) The establishment of State Finan time of retirement. There is no disparity cial Corporations and the Central in the application of pension formula to Industrial Development Corpora the various categories of ex.servicemen. tion for ex-servicemen from within However,· there is bound to be disparity the recommended outlay t 35 Written Answers JANUARY 18, 1985 Written Answers 36
(v) A census of ex-servicemen be revised rates of pension arising conducted with the 1991 Census. out of the merger of a portion of DA (upto the average price index Statement of 272) with pay for retirement benefits are at present entitled to the graded relief at 90% of the Steps taken by Government to reduce •• 0 pensIOn subject to a minimum of hardship to Defence Pensioners: Rs. 90/- and maximum of Rs. 450/- per month. 1. Temporary lad-hOC increase: Tem porary increase ranging from Rs. 10/- to (c) Those who retired on or after 12.50 per month is admissible on pension 31.1.1982 and are in receipt of sanctioned prior to 1.6.1953 as per old revised rates of pension arising Pension Code. This increase is effective out of the merger of a portion of from 1 .4. 1 95 3. additional dearness allowance (upto the average price index of 5 Ad-hoc increase ranging from Rs. 1 / 320) with pay for retirement to Rs. 351- per month is admissible on benefits are at present entitled to pension sanctioned upto 33.11 .1 968. the . graded relief at 75% of This increase is effective from 1 .6.1969. pensIOn subject to a minimum of Rs. 75/- and a maximum of 2. Stepping up of pension : Where Rs. 3751- per month. minimum pension tincluding ad-hocl temporary increase) fell short of Rs. 40/ 5. Minimum pension : With effect per month, it was stepped up to Rs. 40/ from 1.4.83 the minimum service/family per month (including ad-hoc, temporary pen~ion (including reliefs) has been fixed increase) w.eJ. 1st March 1970. at Rs. 160/- and Rs. 150/- per month respectively. 3. Ad-hoc ReHef: With effect from 6. Ad-hoc ex-gratia payment : Ad 1.1.1973, ad· hoc relief ranging from hoc ex-gratia payment s ranging from Rs. 15/- to Rs. 35/- per month is admis Rs. 10/- to Rs. 75/- have been granted sible to tbose pensioners who retired prior with effect from 1,9.84 to certain cate to 1.1.1 973 . gories of pre 1.1.1973 pensioners to mitigate their financial hardship, 4. Periodic Relief: Periodic relief at the rate of 21% of pension subject to a [English] minimum of Rs. 2,50 and maximum of Rs, 12,50 per month for every 8 point RecoDltitution of Planning Commission increase in the 12 monthly average of and Revision of 7th Plan price index, is granted to all the pen ·6. SHRI B.V. DESAI : Will the sionets irrespective of their dates of Minister of PLANNING be pleased to retirement. state : The periodic relief admissible from (a) whether Government has taken a 1.8.84 is as under: decision to reconstitute the Planning Commission ; (a) Those who retired prior to 30.9.77 are entitled to periodic (b) if so, the main changes that are relief at the rate of 110% of likely to be made ; pension subject to a minimum of Ri. 1101- per month and a maxi (c) whether in view of the reconsti mum of Rs, 550/- per month. tution of the Planning Commission Government are considering to revise t~ (b) Those who retired on or after proposed Seventh Five Year Plan which 30.9.77 and arc in receipt of was to ~ started durinS the current )'oar • 31 Written Answers PAtJSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Written Answers 38
(d) if so, the latest changes made in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB the Seventh Five Year Plan to make it MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI job-orien ted -; -and JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (d). As per inform:ltion readily'available, the :a percentage of women: to the total (e)· the -other 'steps-likely' to' be taken number of employees in the·28 public to implement the proposals during the sector banks was, as' at the end of current financial year or in the beginning December, 1981, 9.1%: '. ,~ of tbe~ Seventh Fiv(Yea(Plan _? 2, Recruitment to clerical/officer THB~MtNISTER OF STATE-IN THE cadres of the public sector banks is made MINISTRY OF PLANNING; (SHRI through :~ open competitive~-examinations. K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. There is no provision in the scheme of recruitment"; for preferential treatment for women. However, according to the (b) A copy of the - relevant', Notifica information furnished by the Banking tion -reconstituting the Planning Commis Service Recruitment Boards (BSRBs). the sion is laid Con;,the Table of the House, intake of women is progressively increas [placed in. Library. See No. LT 20/85.] ing. In fact, at centres namely Bombay and Pune, the number of women clerks (c) to (e). As the:,Hon'ble 'Member selected during the last 2-3 years on tbe may be aware,' the Approach to the basis of competitive examinations has Seventh Plan was approved on 13th and been more than the number of men. In 14th July, 1984, by the National Deve the States of Karnataka. KeraJa ,and lopment Council and tabled in the Lok Maharashtra, and in the Union Territory Sabha on'30th July, 1984. The Planning of Goa, the number of women selected to Commissi~n is now engaged in the the clerical cadres of tho natioaaJiaed preparatory ~f'" exercise for framing~ the banks, ranges from 41 to 59 per cent. Seventh' Plan. Steps for the Welfare and Rehabftltatfon It is, therefore, too early to speak of of ex-servicemen revision of the Seventh Plan, or of any chaDges -in it, or' of its implementation. *8. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR: Will the Minister of Recruitment of Women Clerks DEFENCE be pleased to state : in Public. Sector Banks (a) the specific steps taken by Govera ·7. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: ment for the welfare and rehabilitation ef WiH the Minister of FINANCE be ex-Servicemen during the current financial pleased to state : year 1984-85;
(a) the percentage of women among (b) whether State Governments/Public bulk employees in the public sector ; Undertakings have also cooperated in the ittlplementation of these. steJ's;
(b) whether Government consider _this (c) if so, the names of the States/Public percentage as. adequate ; Undertakings which have impl«'mented these measures; and (c) if not, the ~ steps ~ proposed to' be taken to improve this percentage; and (d) the names of States,'Public Under takings which have not yet implemented (d) whether women will get preferen these measures, the reasons therefor and tial treatment ill regard to recruitment of the steps taken hy Government to per clerks in the public sector banks ? suade them for their implementation? · 39 ~ritten Answers' JANUARY 18, 1985 Written Answers 40
THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI keeping forces in which large number of P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) to (d). ex-servicemen could be appojnted. A Statement is placed on the Table of the House. 7. The implementation of this scheme has been reviewed and in two of the six Statement districts in which it is being implemented an evaluation of the scheme by indepen dent agencies is in progress. An effort Efforts for the rehabilitation of ex Servicemen is a continuing endeavour, As is also being made to ensure that the part of its effort Government seeks to financial requirements of the beneficiaries ensure proper implementation of the are integrated into the district credit plans. existing policy; and also to restructure policy from time to time in the light of · felt requirements. Resettlement of ex-servicemen in Rajas than Canal 2. Some of the recent activities in this regard are indicated in the follow 8. The Rajasthan Government have ing paragraphs. agreed to resettle ex-servicemen on 50,000 Bighas of land under the Rajas than Canal Project Stage II. The Central Implementation or reservation policy Government have taken up the question of increasing the total area of land 3. Three meetings were held during earmarked for this purpose as we)) as the the current year to review the performance land allotted to individual families of ex of Central Ministries/Departments/Public servicemen. Sector Undertakings regarding implemen- · tation of reservation policy, and Depart High Level Committee ments such as Railways and Post and Telegraph, which recruit emyloyees 9. The High Level Committee was in large numbers, were advised to pay appointed on the 10th March, 1984 with special attention to the recruitment of a tenure of one year and commenced its ex-servicemen. meetings on the 15th March, 1984. The Committee concluded its work within a Identification of posts l\' ith in the Defence matter of about71 months and submitted Miaistry its report on the 27th October, 1984.
4. An exercise was also undertaken Placements in Jobs to Specifically identify posts within or under the Defence Ministry which could be specified for recruitment from the 1 O. These concerted efforts have ranks of ex-servicemen. resuJted in the placement of as many as 18,898 ex.servicemen in employment during the half year January-June 1984. New avenues for employment of ex-ser (As reports from some areas had not vicemen been received the actual figure is likely to be higher). When compared with the 5. Ecological task forces as an avenue full year achievements of the previous for the productive employment of ex years (1981 : 16,639;~1982: 17,439 and servicemen gained _ further moment um 1983 : 29,629), ~ the ~ year!J1984 would with the augmentation of the force in appear to show considerable improve- Rajasthan by 204 personnel. ment.
Cooperation of State Governments/PSU. 6. The Governments of Orissa and Assam have also reacted favourably to 11. The implementation of welfare tho proposal for raising special peace measures is Jarae1y dependent on the Stato :.41 . Written Answe;.s . Written Answtrs :42
Governments. The State Government's 12. Annexure 'At which relates to approach to this subject is determ ined the policy of reservations in vogue in inter-alia by local conditions, rules, State Governments and Annexure 'B' regulations and the proportion of the which relates to the payment of ex-gratia financial assistance to widows of pre population of ex-servicemen. The State 1 .. 1 1964 pensioners are illustrative of PSUs normally follow the State Govern the response of the State Governments in ment policies. respect of two major issues of policy.
ANNEXRE 'At
Reservation Percen/ages as Prevailing in State Governmentsl UT Administratioru in Favour of Ex-Servicemen in Appointments to GOVI. Vacancies
State/Union Percentage of Vacancies Remarks Territories ------Class Class Class Class ;.- I II III IV
1 2 3 4 5 6
1. Andbra Pradesh 2 2
2. Assam 2 2
3. Bihar
4. Oujarat 10 20
5. Haryana 5 5 17 T7
6. Himachal Pradesh 15 15 15 15 7. Jammu & Kashmir S 10
8. Karnataka 10 10 10 10
9. Kerala
10. ~adbya Pradesh. 50 .50* 9 14
11. Maharasbtra 15 15
12. ~anipur 3 .5 2% of poets of ~~~8t~t. Commandants
13. Megbalaya
.14. Nagaland
IS. Punjab 15 15 15 15
16. Orissa 7
. - ___ - ~-.-.--. ~~ -.i ;r"",." 1"•• $ - jANUA ..V 11, i .,.5 -w",,_ A"".,.,s '4,4 ------1 2 3 4 5 6
17. Rajasthan 121 15 60% posts in Armed cons- tabulary a Iso reserved. 18. Sikkim 15 15
19. Tamil Nadu 10 10% Forest Guard and 5% Forest Watcher.
20. Tripura 2 2 21. Uttar Pradesh 8 @8 3 3 22. West Bengal 5 10 23. Arunac:aal Pradesh 10 20 24. Andaman & Nicobar 10 20 25. Chandigarh 10 20 26. Goa, Daman & Diu 10 20 27. Delhi 10 20 28. Mizoram 10 20 29. Pondicberry 10 20 30. Laksbadweep 10 20 3 t. Dadar. Nagar Haveli 10 20
@For ECOs and disabled officen only. *In Medical &. Engineering services for qualified ECOs/SSCOs (Authority State Govenment sanction letters)
Stalewis~ POSition Regardltlk Gran' tJ/ F'llIIlItc;a/ A~li$tQn~~ to pre 1.1.64 PensionerJ' Widows
;8t. No. States/UTs Implemented by Stat.
1 2 3
1. Andhra Pradesb Yes 2. Assam Under Consideration
3. Bihar Yel
4. Oujarat Yes 45 Wrllt~n AlUwrs PAUSA 23, 1906 (SAICA) Written A1f.fK'ers 46
1 2 3
S. Haryana Yes
6. Himachal Pradesh Ye.
7. Jammu & Kashmir Yes
8. Kerala YOI
9. Karnataka Yes
10. Madhya Pradesh Yes
11. Mahacathtra Yes
12. Manipur Under Considoration
13_ Megbalaya No
14. NagaJand No
15_ OrilN Yel
16_ Punjab YOI
17_ Rajasthan Y.$
18_ Sikkim No
19. Tamil Nadu Yes
20. Tripura Ye.
21. Uttar Pradesh ¥ei
22. West Benpl Under Consideralion
23. Andaman &. Nicobar Yes
24. Arunachal Pradcih Yes
25. Chandigarb No
26. D~lhi Yes
27. Ooa Yes
28. Mizoram Yes 29. POAdicberFy No -- (COQlpile" as OJ) IS rIl Jan. as} 47 Written A.nswers JANUARY 18, 1985 Written Answers 48,
[Translation] been given. -However, the external- debt India's Foreign Indebtedness ~n this account _will be spread over a number of years in the future as and when the loans are actually drawn/utilised. *9. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: In addition, India has outstanding repurchase obligations of Rs. 4,626 (a) whether India's foreign indebted crores on drawings made under the facili ness stands at 17,800 crores of Rupees ties of the I.M.F. at present;
(b) if not, the exact amount thereof (ii) The budgetted amount of interest and the annual amount of interest paid payment during 1984-8 5 are of the by Government of India thereon; and order of Rs. 4-18.08 crores in respect of Government loans. In addition the estimated charges on I.'M.F.· loans (CFF (c) whether it is a fact that there has & EFF) would be Rs. 433.41 crores. been an in~rease I at~er than decrease in the poverty of the population of the country in spite of such a staggering (English] indebtedness to foreign countries? Losses in Public SeCtor Steel Plants
THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI -10. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI . VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH): (a) Will the Min'ster of STEEL. MINES AND and (b). A statement is laid on the Table COAL be pleased to state: of the House.
(c) No, Sir. External loans have been (a) whether the __ p~blic . sector steel plan ts have been incurring huge losses if undertaken for investment and productive so, tbe details thereof; purposes and have contributed to our development ~fforts according to pj an priorities. (b) the steps taken or proposed to be taken to wipe out the losses incurred; Statement
(i) Outstanding External Debt Liability (c) the steps envisaged to replace the of Indfa -: - obsolete technology and ageing equipment at the two major plants in Bhilai and (Rs. Crores) Rourkela and totany rebuilding the ones at Durgapur and Burnpur; and Category Amount (as on 31.10.84)
(a) Government loans 22,490 (d) the steps proposed to be taken to revamp the administrative structure of (b) Non-Government loans 778 these plants So as to fix responsibility for their failure to make profit, especially Total (a) and (b): 23,268 when the demand for steel is very higb ?
Approvals of External commercial THE MINISTE~ OF 'STEEL, MINES borrowings ~n SAIL IlSCO 1980-81 (+) 1.01 (-) 28.79 1981-82 <+) 39.17 (-) 37.11 1982 -83 (-) 105.76 (-) 71.05 1983-84 (-) 214.53 (-) 24.06 (+) Profit (-) Loss (b) Though there have been price increases (b) if so, the main recommendations of in the P3.st, these have not fullycompensa that Committee; and ted SAIL for increaeses in the cost of pro duction. SAIL has introduced a produc (c) those which have been accepted? tion-cum-Profit Improvement Management System to achieve higher production and improved profitability. The strategy THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI includes diversification of its product-mix P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) to (C). A to better match the demand, accelerate Statement is laid on the Table of the sales by adoption of an aggres House. [Placed in Library. See No. sive marketing strategy and reduction of LT 21;'85]. inventories of raw materials, stores and spares. SpeciaJ measures to achieve cost Development of Coal Reserves in Orissa reduction by improving technological processes, better maintenance to rna ximise *12, SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT the availability of equipment by timely N AIK: Will the Minister of STEEL, repairs, minim isation of purchases of MINES AND COAL be pleased 10 &tate : stores and spares and restriction of expenditure in all possible ways have been (a) whether Government of Oiifta also adopted. have requested his Ministry for the deve lopment of coal resources in that State; (C) and (d). Scheme5 for modernisation and technologic-al upgradation of Durga (b) if so, the steps taken therefor; pur, Rourkela and lISCO are under con~i deration of the Government. Schemes are (c) thl! steps proposed to be taIren also under formulation for de-bottlenec therefor ; and king schemes of Bhilai and Bokaro stee] plants so as to enable these plants to achieve their ra ted capacit ies. (d) the details thereof? Strengthening of Territorial Army THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : (a) to (d). No such request has been recei *11. SHRI UTfAM RA. THOD : Will ved from State Government of Orissa. the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to However, based on regional exploration to state: done by the Geological Survey of India and the detailed exploration by the (a) whether Government have appoin Central Mine Planning and Design Insti ted a Committee to strengthen the Terri tute of Coal India Limited, the develop. torial Army under the Chairmanship of ment of coal resources of an area is taken General Sparrow ; and up irrespective of any request by the State 5 1 Written Answers JANUARY 18, 1985 Written Answers 52 Government etc., depending upon the Capacity utilisation of Steel Plants requirement of coal by various consuming industries in different parts of the country. *13. SHRJ NARAYAN CHOUBEY : In accordance with this policy. 4.7 Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES Ililillion of coal will be produced in Orissa AND COAL be p]eased to state: daring 1984- R5. (a) the capacity utilisation rate of 2. The Central Government have re different p1ants of Steel Authority of India cently sanctioned 5 coal projects in Orissa Limited for the last 5 years; namel~· Bharatpur Opcncast. Bharatpur washery and Jagannath expansiun in (b) the main reasons for the plants Talcher coalfields and Belpahar and Laj not working to full capacity; and kura Openczst in lb. Valley coalfields. New projects viz Ananta Opencast and Kalinga Opencast with atta\. hed washeries are also (c) measures being taken to improve being planned. A :Master Plan of the the position? Talcher coalfield in Orissa is also being taken up for identifying new projects and THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES infrastructural needs. Coal production in AND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : Orissa is expec!ed to go up from 4,7 m t (a) The capacity utilisation with respect in 1984-85 to abGut 13m t. by the end to D.P.R capacity for saleable steel at all of the Sev(nth Five Year Plan i.e. th~ SAIL Steel Plants during the last five 1989-90. years is given below :- /~ Capacity Utilisation Product.' 1979-80 1980-81 1981-82 ] 982-83 19R~-84 1984-85 Plant Target ~aleable Steel BS P 87 93 93 94 80 93 DSP 49 48 63 6·6 49 52 RSP 85 80 89 81 70 77 BSL 43 43 75 78 65 7(> SAIL 66 66 81 81 68 76 lISCO 54 65 61 63 55 48 ASP 7() 70 87 78 42 93 SiP 10 21 22 53 (b) and (c), The main factors affecting steel plants are making efforts to maximise production were Testr;ctions in the supp]y their own limited captive pOwer generation. of power and poor quality and inadequate As a long term measure, additional captive availability of indigenous coking coal as power generatir'!g units are being estab well as some technological deficiencies in lished at Bokaro, Rourkela, Durgapur the Plants. Efforts are being made to and Bhilai Steel PJant. The technological improve the supply of power and coking deficiencies are being met tt.rough moder coal of right quality in close cooperation 1.1 nisation Jide ·bottlenecking schemes lreadv• with the supplying organisations. The und~r consideration, 53 Written Answers PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Written Answers S4 •Loan Melas' organised by Commercial (e) Does not arise. Banks (f) No such steps are contemplated. "14. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased PJan Targets and acbievements of Rural to state: Banks (a) whether the Reserve Bank of India in its report on the "Trend and progress ·15. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER of banking in India" for the year endin~ JEE: Will the Minister of FINANCE June, 1984 expressed concern at the be pleased to state the State-wise annual dwindling profitability of commercial Plan targets and achievements of the rural Banks during the Sixth Plan iO far as also banks in the country; the position of the loan recovery ? (b) whether this has been due to the 'loan melas' organised by the public sector THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE banks in various parts of the country ; MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRJ JANARDHANA POOJAR Y): It was envisaged to set up 105 regional whethcr the Hanking Companies lC) rural banks during the Sixth Plan period. Regulation Act requires al1 bankjng opera As against this, 108 regioaal ru.l banks tions to take place within specified hours have been set up between April, 80 to at premises licensed by the Reservc ll.wk December '~-+ tak ing tbe total number of of India; regional rural banks to 1 73 t covering 304 districts. There were no statewise targets (d) whether Government are aware for setting up of the regional rural banks. that these and other rules of open disclo sure of loan amounts violate banking rules; In regard to ]endings by regional ruriil banks, no plan targets are ~ed at the (e) if ~o, the details thereof; and State Level. The regional rural banks are allocated shares in various credit-based (f) the steps taken to stop these 'loan plan schemes at the district level. By the melas' ? end of June, 84, 162 regional rural banks had opened 8727 branches with THE MINISTER Of STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI deposits amounting to Rs. 774.3 crores JANARDHANA POOJAR Y) : (a) Reserve and advances of Rs. 859.97 crores giving Bank of India in its report on trend and a Credi t Deposit ratio of 111 per cent. Progress of Banking in India for the year ended June, 1984 bas indicated improving The statewise information is set out in profitability as one of the medium term statement-I. tasks before the banks. A vailable information on loan recovery tb) No. Sir. for end June, 83 shows that 142 regional rural banks had made a recovery of Rs. (c) and (d). Reserve Bank of India have advised that no provisions of the 191.42 crores against the demand cf Banking Regulation A~t are violated by Rs. 367 05 crores. Thus, the recovery holding of public functions for distribution amounted to 52% of the demand. State of loans to small borrowers, io which tbey voluntarily participate. wise data is given in statement-lIe H Writt., Amwers jANUAl\tV' 1 &, t98$ Writtqn AnSWNS' ~6- Statement-l Statewise operat;OIu of RRBs (As at the end of June, 1984) (Rs, in Lakhs) State/V.T. No. af No. of Deposits Advances C.D. Ratio RRBs. branches (Outstanding) (%) (1 ) (2) (3) (4) (5 ) (6) 1. Andhra Pradesh 12 656 7087.72 9318.32 131 2. Assam 5 184 1935.14 1104.3~ 51 3. Bihar 18 1344 12354.85 10883.14 88 4. Gujarat 7 133 840.78 535.86 64 5. Haryana 2 174 2366.73 2131.47 90 6. Himachal Pradesh 1 84 1296.00 708.39 55 7. Jammu & Kashmir 3 220 1491.94 887.55 59 8. ~fD~taka 9 686 4572.47 8700,33 190 9. Kerala 2 238 2916.56 4013.87 168 10. ' Madbya Pradesh 21 965 5748.50 5721.08 99 11. Mabarashtra 7 213 1064.48 1502.79 141 12. Manipur 1 12 25.84 31.67 122 13. M.gbalaya 1 19 63.49 30.35 48 14. Nagaland 1 3 1.27 1.26 99 15. Orissa 9 649 3950.41 8782.53 222 16. Punjab 3 21 72.67 52.37 72 17. Rajasthan 13 557 4041.26 6184.94 153 18. Tamil Nadu 1 121 1258.22 2174.60 173 19. Trjpura 1 61 901.11 1499.19 153 2 O. Uttar Pradesh 35 1899 20930.61 16007.34 76 21. West Bengal 8 482 4415.19 4822.37 109 22. Arunachal Pradesh 1 2 6.30 0.09 1 23. Mizoram 1 4 12.62 3.60 29 ALL INDIA 162 8727 77434.16 85997.39 111 S1 Writt. Altrwers PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Wr.itten Answers !8 Statement-II ~tale"ise data 011 recovery of dues (as at the end of June 1983) State/V.T. No. of RRBs Demand Recovery Percentage of (4) to (3) (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (amount in Rs. lakhs) 1. Andhra Pradesh 12 5341.29 2707.33 51 2. Assam 5 346.15 199.52 58 3. Bihar 17 316~.62 1583.02 50 04. Gujarat 4 155,07 95.31 61 5. Haryana 2 1113.08 611.94 55 6. Himachal Pradesh 413.00 162.00 39 7. Jammu & Kashmir 3 285.51 135.25 47 8. Kamataka 8 4964.69 3111.08 63 73 9. Kerala 2 3114.00 2269.00 10. Madhya Fradesh 18 1676.77 753.03 65 11. Maharashtra 3 879.29 396.33 45 12. Manipur 1 2.20 2.11 96 13, Megbalaya 1 14. Nagaland 1 15. Orissa 9 3280.11 1439.S4 44 0.09 100 1~. Punjab 3 0.09 1 7, Rajasthan 9 2588.16 1291.85 50 59 1 8. Taoril Nadu 1 713.00 418.00 19. Tripura 1 943.91 502.98 S3 20. Uttar Pradesh 33 5769.44 2713.21 +7 39 21. Weat BeIlaal 8 1949.80 750.79 ALL INDIA 142 36705.18 19142.38 52 59 Writteft Answers JANUARY 18,. 1985 Written Answ~r'S 60 Army Exercises by Pakistan THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Near Indian Borders MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY): (a) The major reasons for the losses of public • 16. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAIN sector undertakingi can be summarised as SINHA: Will the Minbter of DEFENCE follows: be pleased to state: ( 1) Power shortage in various parts (a) whether Pakistan was carrying of the country ; out large scale army exercises near the Indian border between September and (2) Recessionary conditions prevailing December, 1984 ; and in industries like steal, textile, shipping, etc. (b) if so, the reaction of Government to these moves ? (3) Technical and Production pro. blems. THE 'vii NISTER OF DEl-'ENCE ( ... ) Labour unrt.!st arising from time (SHRI P.Y. NARASIMHA RAO) to time. (a) and (b). Pakistan Army formations are reported to have carried out their (b) The Government is continuously winter training exercises near our borders reviewing the performance of public during the period October to Dece:mbcr, enterprises and among, the steps taken to 1984. Such training exercises are con· improve the performance, mention may be ducted every year. made of the following: Government keep under watch all (1) Constitution of special study developments having a bearing on our teams to go into specific causes security and take appropriate measures to of continued low capacity utilisa ensure the security of the country at all tion wherever noticed and times. recommend short. term and 1011g term remedicaI measures ; Losses Suffered by Public Sector Projects during Sixth Plan (2) Additional investments are pro vided for baJancing faciJities and 1. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: captive power plants wherever Will the Minister of FINANCE be justified; pleased to state: (3) Technology upgradation, moderni (a) the reasons for the Josses in sation and rehabilitation of plant pubHc sector projects ; and equipment and diversification of products, wherever considered (b) the steps taken by his Ministry appropriate ; and the concerned Ministries to rectify the defects j (4) Regular monitoring by the con cerned Administrative Ministries (c) the names of the public sector and Departments through quar. projects which increased production terly performance review meetings during the Sixth Plan Period ; and in respect of individual enter prises. (d) the total loss by public sector (S) Improving the selection and projects during Sixth Plan and the invest appraisal of top managerial per ment made by Government on these sonnel as well as timeJy filling up project. ? of top vacancies. 61 Written Answers PAUSA 28,1906 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 (6) Government is monitoring execu in the criteria of distance and population, tion and expeditious completion which are not reliable indicators for such of major project on a continuous areas as compared to tbe norma] plain basis. areas; ( c) Measured in terms of val ue of (b) if so, the nature of relaxation production, all the enterprises in the allowed in respect of hill areas; and manufacturing! production sector except (c) if not, tbe reasons therefore and Bharat Dynamics Ltd. have increased whether such relaxation i~ proposed to be their production during the Sixth Plan incorporated in the branch licencing pOlicy period so far, compared to the ye ar pre of the Reserve Bank of India during the ceding the Sixth Plan, namely, 1979. gO. Seventh Five Year Plan? (d) In the four years 1980-81, THE MINISTER OF STATE I~ THE 1981-82,1982-83 and 1993-84 of the MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Sixth Plan, the Central public enterprises JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (3) to taken as a whole made a loss only in (c) : Under the current branch Ii::ensing 1980-81, amountinJ to R.;;. 202.97 policy for tbe period ArriL 1982 to crores. The years 1981-t:2, 1982-83 and March, 1 9 f, 5, hilly regions, regions which 1983-84 ended with overall net profits of are sparsely populated and tribal areas Rs. 445.92 crores, Rs. () I 7.X5 crores are given special consideration and bl anch and Rs. 245.67 crores (Provisional) ex pansion in such areas is all')wed on a respectively. The Central Government comparatively liberal basis, taking into investment in these enterprises are as account the existing gaps in the availabi follows: ]ity of banking facilities, the need for meeting the banking requirements of (Amount Rs. identified target groups, growth in in crores) economic activities etc The State Governments have been advised of this As on 31.3.1980 (before approach: The branch expansion policy the commencement of for the period 1985.90, which v.ould he Sixth Plan) ]J055 coterminu5 with the period of Seventh Five Year Plan, is yet to be finalised. Ason31.31981 15954 Survey for Opening of Bank· As on 3 1 .3. I 982 19393 Brancbe~ in Himachal Pradesh As on 3 I . J. 1 983 3. PROF. NARAIN CHAND P"\ RASHAR \Vill the Minister of As 0 n 3 I . 3 • 1 9 R.f 2(i754 r I : Opening of Branches of Nationalised (~) the names of the places in Himachal Pradesh district-wise for which Banks in Himachal Prade~h (i) the State Bank of India (ii) the Punjab National Bank, (iii) the United .., PROF. NA.RAI~~ CHAND Commercial Bank, and (iv) the Centlal PARASHAR Will the Minister of Bank of India have made any survey for FINA NeE be pleased to state: opening new branches of their banks in 1983-84 and 19R4-85 : (a) whether Government and Reserve Bank of Ind ia have accepted any liberal (b; the names of such T'lace~ among approach for the opening of branches of them where the Reserve Bank of India nationalised banks in hilly States'regions has given the required licences and where of the country, as defined by the Planning branches (i) ha\e been opened (ii) are yet Comtnission~ ensuring adequate relaxation to be opened; 63 Written Answers JANUARY 18, 1985 Written Answers 64 (c) the likely dates by vibich the (b) The "names of places for which teibining 'branches woald be opened in the R-eserve fJank of J!tdia 'lI1Ils issued eaCh ca~ ; "and auth8mitidhs /Iiceftties m set out in Statement II. The places wtrere baok office, have already been opened are al$o (d) the reasons for not granting mentioned in this statement. licences in respect of tbe places surveyed by the banks and the likely date by which (c) The banks have been advised by the licences would be granted? the Reserve Bank of India, from time to time, to utilise pending licences ex THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pedit iousJy. MINIsTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) The (d) During branch expansion pro MOles of the places for which State Bank gramme for the period April '82-March' of India, Punjab National Bank, United 85 the Reserve Bank of India has afJotted Commercial Bank and Central Bank of as many as 100 centres to different bar ks India have applied to the Reserve Bank in the State of Himachal Pradesh. The of "India during 1.1.83 to 31.12.84 for need for allotment of more centres to opening new brancbes are set out in banks will be reviewed during the next Statement.. I. branches expansion pol icy. Statemem-;I Statement showing the names 0/ places in Himachal Pradesh for K"hich Reserve Bonk of India has received applications from the Stare Bank of lndia, Punjab Nalional Bank, Unilcd Commercial Bank and C"ntral Bank of India during the period 1.1.1983 to 31.12 19154 for opening offices District Centres for which applications received from State Bank of Punjab National United Commer- Central Bank India Bank cial Bank of India ------1 2 3 4 5 Bilaspur Dooth Bilaspur Auhar Chbakch Behal Chamba Hatli (ADB) Rakh, Garola Dalhausie. Barga I, Pukhri Pukbri, !-ah-cor • Dalhausie Sundla Garola, Saro J HirMirpur Sojanpur- Mair, Salaun Sujanpur· Tira 11m Nadaum J UDgle Beri, Cha Deodsidh botraa Dhaned Sera, Karur/ Oouna, Kuthera Tal, Lambloo Ghorab Kanjra OUT;t Ganga, Sanghal, GuIer. Sapri, Gharana. Jawa)amukhi Sapri, lawaIa Chamukha, Nurpur, Bain, mutbi Nandpur-Bha - DantaJ, Rey. tocli, Bankhandi Thakurd wara. Milwan, Ghugar" Dmdla, Mcilflran, PaproIa, Bhawa rana, Panchrukhi, Sansai Mananda, kinnaur Karchhaya Pawar Kothi 65 Written Answer's PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Wri'lten Amwers 65 District Centres for which applications received from State Bank of Punjab National Ueited Commer. Central Bank India Bank ciat Bank -of India Kulu Haripul" Manali Dobni Jagat-Sukh. Lahau2. & Goodil(a Tandi, Gonclhla Spiti Mand' Chatroklla·ri Ma~dev Sllnder Sarakagbat Nagar I, Sand bole, Alundi, T'Ulla'b. Simla Bahli, Poria Thanedar. Simla Bhutt., Bahli Jutog, Cantt, Lower Bazar Taklech, Khalni H.P. Medical Jutog Cant~ Taradevi. Kobi College-Upgra DhaUL Khalint· Bbarari (Pahogt dation of Ex Simla, Bharar Kufri, Bhatha tension Counter Kuffar, Dham Dhalti, Long wari Village wood-Simla. Power (Gawahi)., Jangia Sirmut' Raj pur Rajga(' h Paonta Sabib Mangarh Raj (ADD) pur Solan Nalagarh Baddi Kasauli K uniltar., Sukh Kunihar Jobari Una Mahatput", JRa Thana-Kalan, Nangal-KaSan, Thana-KalaB, kera, Una Pottan-Prohitan., Tha.na-Kalan, Dhundla Cantt. Pandoga, Good Bahdala, Ghsnaci, (Satallite pur-Banheera Salon Office) Marwari Dungoli, Jha]era Kurjala, Saloh StatemcBt-n Statement showing the Kames ofplaces referred to in statement.. ! in respect of which the Reserve Bank of Illdia has issued autlwrisations/licences lIl1d where Branches have already been opened District State Bank of Punjab National United Gommer Central Bank Bank cial Bank India ------of India Hamirpur Mair t opened) Kangra Ghorab Labaul & Gondhla Spiti Simla Bahli (opened) Taklecb (opened) Poria Kufri (opened) Sirmur Raj pur Mangarb (opened) Una DbundJa (Satellite Office) '7 Written Answers JANUARY IS, 1985 Writfen A"~J'l7S 68 Relaxation of Ban Im)OSed on Rettuitmeot (b) if so, the details of the iPlstances to' New P05B in Hill States ref~rred to the Ministry of Finan" by each of the MUlisaies 1. 4 PROF NARAIN CHAND PARA SHAR· Wi"II the Minister of FIN A NeE THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND be pleased to state :: COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH): (a} and(~). Earlier to January, 1984, nOD-PIan (a) whether any representation was posts C'ould not be created by the M inii.. J'eceived by Go't't. for the relaxation of tries/Departments of the Central Govern ban imposed on fhe ree-ruitment to new ment except with the appTo~al of the J)osts in respect of hill States{regions Cabinet, In January, 1984,Ministries flurina the year 1983-84; etc, were atiyised not to' create new posts, e;ther Plan or nOD, Plan except ill (b) if so, the actioD taie. by Gon. most excepiomal circumstances or fill UPJ Dn this request; and e",isting Tancancies. Proposals for crea tion ef posts it') mo~ exceptionaJ (c) if not, the likely date by which circumstances were, however., considered the decision would be taken? on merits, Proposals received in rbe Ministry of THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND Financ;e for creation of posts in most COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI exceptional circomstances are considered VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH): (a) at appropriate levels in the Finance Minis Yes, Sir. try but no records (i)f such proposals are maintained. 1t is, therefore~ DO't possible (b) and (c). Imtrnctiom iss-ued to to furnish the details of instances in whicb Ministries not to fiIJ up the existing the Ministries referred to in the Question vacancies presently till 3 1.3.85 form part ~ought exemption from application of the of measures taken in the O'YeraR public ban orders (or creation of po~ts in mosl interest to connter inftationary trends. It exceptional circumstancn duri»g tbe year would not, therefore, be appropriate to in question. relax it only in case of Govt. offices in some specific areas. Proposafs for filling Assistance fo States for Roral up of posts are considered on merits and Indusfrialisa tion relaxations are gives in mos1 exceptional eircumstances. 6. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to sta te : Exemption of Bao 00 FillingfCreation of Nell' Posts (a) whether the Union Government gave assistanc:e in all the Five Yea,. S. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA Plans to each State fOT ulral industriali SHAR.: WiD the Minister of FINANCE sation be pleased to state : (b) if so, the extent of the assistance (a) whether the Ministries of Com giveR and the results achieved ; munications, Information & Broadcasting, (c) whether Government have made Railways and Works & Housing forward a ny provision to assist States in the ed any- cases for exemplion from tbe Seventh Five Year Plan also for rural application of the ban on the filling of industrialisaticn; and vacancies and the creation of new posts for undertaking any new development (d) if so, to what extent each State projects/administrative expansion or upgra would be assisted and jf no provision has datioD during the year 1983-84; and been made the reasons therefor ? 6' Written Answerr PAU'SA 2'8., 1'906 (SAKA) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Centre also plays an important supple MINISTRY OP PLANNING (SHRI m.ental role, inchlding assistance for pro K.R. NARAYANAN): (a) Yes, Sir. vision of infrastructllral facilities, techni cal guidance and financial assistance. (b) Prom"tiol'l of Village and SmaU The total outlays provided for the Village Industries is generaily treated as synony. and Small Ind llstries sector both by the motts with mral industrialisation. While Centr~ and States over the sllcce§sive Plans the primary responsibility for their I'ro are givell below : motion rests with the State Goveraments, ------..._-- -~.------Plan period Rs./crores First Plan i i 951/56) 31.20 Second Plan (1956/6q 200.00 Third Plan (1961/66) 264.00 Annual Plans (1966/69) t 32.55 Fourth Plan (1969/74) 293.13 Fifth Plan (1974/79) S 3 5.03 Annual P~an (1979/80, 239.48 Sixth Plan (1 98~/85) 1780.45 The progress made by this sector is (d) if no action bas taken so far, the already contained in the Sixth Pl.an reasons therefor? Document. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND (c) and (d). The Approach document COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI for the 7th P1an (1985/90) has indicated VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH): (<1\ whether North Bengal is facing. THE' MINISTER OF FINANCE AND Cl'isis of com, if so,· the' details- thereof? COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI VlSHWANAfH PRATAP SINGH,: (a) and (b'). As on 18th January. 1985,. THE MlNISTE'R OF STEEL, MI NES two instalrnents of Dearness Allowance" AND COAL (SHRI VAS-ANT SATHE) : to Central Government emp)loyees have: fa) to (c). At present there is nO'thermal become due for consideration with effect "ower station operating in North Bengal (rom 1-8-1 (),,84 and r-11 .. 1984 respec tequiring coal. However, the c'oal com tively. Payment or each instalment of panies are maling adequate ofter of coat Dearness Allo\VatlCe to Central Govern for supply to the thermal power statioIl'S ment employees and relief to peosioner90 in the State of West Bengal. The Power costs· the exchequer apprO'Ximately Rs. 70' stations could not make full use of" th~ Cl'ores and R 5. 8 crOTes per ann um res .... offer due to pO'or release of wagons by pectively. Tlrerefore, the question or them. The' power station'S have alsO' P"dyrnent of' each in!Ytalment 0{ Dearness> failed to move linked coal by road ade... Allowance has- to be considered care- quately due to their own transport pT(».. fully witb regard to theiT impact on the blems. In regard to tea gardens in North economic shuation and the budget. The' Bengal, coal supplies during the perioU question of' sanction for payment of January" 84 to December" 84 were these instalrneIJts is receiv~ng the attention. 1,90,600 (onnes as against their sponsored of the Government. quota of 1,.86,300 tonnes per anDum recommended by the Tea Board.. [TranslationJ Drinking "~at(!f In Oarrapur Canton .. (d) No crisis- of coal bas bee 11 repurted ment Board Area "y tea gardens in North Bengal. Move ment is being effected to these tea garden~ 10 SflRl VIJAY KUMAR YADAV ~ regularly for buikiing up theM' stocks even Will t·he Minister of DEFENCE be pleas... though most of them are normaI1y not is ed to state : production au ring the off-seas£>}!}. (a) whether the civiiian pop':.Jlation in Danapur Cantonment Board area in Bihar' Payment of Dearness Allowance t.?' has to face drfnking water cris.is every Central Go'ternment Employees year; 9. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: (b) if so, whether a new water tank in the said C~ntonment Board area had SHRI VlJAYKUMAR YADAV : already been construr:tcd f Will the Minimer of FINANCE be (c) if so, the reasons for not making J)1eased to state : supply of water therefrom; and (d) the Lmc by which GO"Vcrnment (a) whether it is a fact that insta1- prop05e to m'ake supply of water from ments of additional Dearness Allowance the said water tank ? to Central Government employees are DOt given when they become due and are THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE delayed for months; an d (SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA ~AO): (a) No, Sir. The ~ater supp]y IS how- ever disrupted sometImes due to mecha (b) jf so, the d~taiIs· in this regard nicai breakdown or p0wer fa Hure. and the number of instalments of addi tional Dearness Allowance which are due to Central Government employees till date (b) to (d). To augment the. water SUp''' and the steps Government propose t9 pI further a new water tank WIth a capa.., clear (hem quiclily '1 Ci~ of 4 .. 5 lak.h litres bas been construct- 73 Written Answers PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Written Answers 74 ed in the Danapur Cantonrr.ent Board (iii) the technology and equipment in area. Some ancillary wOrks relat:ng to use is many times not upto date, installation of pump, ele~tric installation due to constraint reSOurces. and fittings of transformer which were entrusted to the Public Health Engineer.. The indigenously produced ing Department~ Bihar for execution still non-ferrous metals are primal ily remain to be compleled. The Canton .. meant for the domestic market. ment BOard authorities are in cnnstant However, when these metals are touch with the authorities of that Depart .. used for producing items which are ment to get the work completed and com .. exported~ certain fiscal reliefs are mission the water tan Ie • provided in the form of duty drawback. cash, compensatory [English] support etc. Increase in Domestic {)rices of (c) The Chairman, Bharat Heavy Non-Ferrous Metals Electricals Limited does not recollect having made any such statement in the 11. SHRI VIJAY KUMAR YADAV : recent past. Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES AND [ Translation] COAL be pleased to state: Construction of Bharat Refractories Unit at Pithoragarh, U.p. (a) whether the domestic prices of all non-ferrous metals excert aluminium in 12. SHRI HARISH RA WAT : Will the country are about double the world the Minister of STEEL, M!NES AND prices; COAL be pleased to state: (b) if so, the main reasons thereof, (a) the time by which the construc and how Government propose to com tion work of Bharat Refractories Unit pete in the international market with the proposed to be set up in Dewalthal present high prices ; and (Pithoragarh), Uttar Pradesh~ is likely to start; (c) whether because of this heavy price of steel and non-ferrous metals in (b) whether the site therefor has 'he country, the Bharat Heuvy Ele...:tri since been selected ; and caIs Limited is unable to compete in the (c) if so, the details of the steps pro 'World markets as stated by the Chairman posed to be taken ty Government to fulfil of the Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited the assurance given to rehabilitate the in a Delhi Seminar 1 dispiaced persons elsewhere ? THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE A.ND COAL (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : DEPARTMENT OF STEEL ~SHRI (a) The domestic prices of non~ferrous K. NAT\VAR SINGH) : (a) and (b). The metals in the country are considerably Pithoragarh PrC'ject of Bharat Refractories higher than the ruling wDrld prices. Limited envisages the mining of raw magnesite and the estabt ishment of a «b) The main reasons Ieadiclg to this plant for dead burning of rna t;nesite in situation as are [oHows :- a rotary kiln. The constructi on work for the establishment the plant is likely to start in June, 1985. The site for the of plant (i J indigenous production often being has been selected. undertaken with l-ower grade ores. (c) The Project authorities will give due concessions to displaced persons in (ii) the input costs such as power the matter of employment as per Govecn Tariff are higher, and meat polIcy. 75 Written Answers JANUARY 18,1985 Written Answers 76 Opening of Regional Rural Bank in early as in t 971 to set up State Planning Pithoragarh (U.P.) Boards, all State Governments excepting Jammu & Kashmir and Sikkim, have set up 13. SHRI HARISH RAW AT : Will planning bodies known varioussly as State the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to Planning Commission, State PJanning state : Board or State Development Board. Sikkim Government has indicated its inability to set up such a Planning Board (a) whether there is a proposal to at present. The Jammu & Kashmir open a regionaJ rural bank in Pithoragarh Government has, however, agreed to set (Uttar Pradesh) ; and up an apex planning body called the State Policy and Planning Council. (b) if so, the time by which it would start functioning and the p1aces where its branches would be opened under its Targets Fixed for I.R.D.P. and Self jurisdiction '1 Employment Guarantee Scheme of Nationalised Banks THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 15. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: WiIl JANARDHANA POOJARY): (a) the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to Yes, Sir state: (b) Detailed proposals from the State (a) whether, under the programmes Bank of India, which has been asked to such as Integrated Rural Development sponsor tbe regional rural bank are await Programme and Self Employment Guaran ed. The Bank has been asked to expe tree Scheme for educated persons launched dite them. The branch expansion pro by Government for poor people and un gramme for the regional rural bank can employed educated persons, separate be drawn up only after it is established. targets have been fixed for various nation alised banks; Setting up of Planning Commissions in States (b) if so, the targets fixed for and the targets achieved by each of them during 14. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: WiIJ the last two years; and the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state: (c) the action being taken against the (a) whether Planning Commissions managements of the banks which failed to have been set up in all the States on the achieve the targets ? pattern of the Planning Commission at the Centre; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MLNISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ( b) if so, tbe names of those States; and JANARDHANA POOJARY): (a) to (c). Annual action plans prepared for each district indicate bankwise and sectorwise (c) if not, whether Government pro credit programme in respect of major pose to advise the States to set up such schemes including schemes like I R D P Planning Commissions and to prepare! and self-employment scheme. At· determine and make appraisals of their ih~ national level the targets are given for the respective annual plans '1 banking industry as a whole and in some cases there is statewise distribution of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE physical and financial targets. MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K. R NARAYANAN): (a) to (c. In res ponse to the suggestion made by the The overall target of lending under Planning Commission to the States as I.R.D.P. during Sixth Plan was Rs. 3,000 77 Written Answers PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Written Answers 78 crores which is likely to be exceeded by The continuously losing enterprises have the banks. The targets and achieve been a matter 0 f grave concern to the ments of lending by banks under I.R.D.P. Government and the Government have for the last two years are as fOllows: already taken a number of steps to improve their performance. Among the (R s. croTeS) steps inHiated. mention can be made of the following: Year Term crt!dit disbursed (i) Constitution of special study Target Achievement teams to go into specific causes of continued low capacity utilisation 1982-83 600 713.98 wherever noticed and to recom mend short term and long term 1983-84 600 773.51 renaedial measures. So far as the scheme for providing self (ii) Additional investments are pro employment to the un-employed educated vided for balancing facilities and youth is concerned, a target of assisting captive power plants wherever 2.5 lakh beneficiaries was fixed for 1983- justified. 84. A gainst this, the banks sanctioned loans to 2.42 lakh beneficiaries involving an amount of Rs 401.54 crores. A fresh (iii) Technology upgradation, mOdern target of 2.5 Iakh beneficiaries has been isation and rehabilitation of plant fixed for the current financial year 1984.. and equipment and diversification 85 also. of products, wherever considered appropriate. [English] (iv) Regular performance reviews by the concerned Administrative Major Sbake-up of Public Sector Ministries and Departments through quarterly performance 16. SHRI B V. DESAI: WiJI the review meetings in respect of indi Minister of FINANCE be pleased to vidul enterprises. state : (v) Improving the selection and (a) whether the Union Government appraisal of top managerial per have undertaken a major shake-up of the sonnel as we 11 as timely filling up public sector units which have been conti. of top vacancies. nuom:Jy on the losing Jist and if so, the extent of changes being made; (vi) Government is monitoring execu· tion and expeditious completion of (b) if so, whether their structural projects on a continuous basis. changes involve a series of changes in senior personnel to remove a major hurdle in the way of their efficient running; and Government is constantly reviewing various aspects of the manaJ?ement of (c) whether the need to tone up the public enterprises including changes in working of the public sector arises out of personnel, structure of the organisation the reliance to be put On their profi ts for etc., wherever necessary with a view to funds for the Seventh Plan? improve their performanc.e. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Recoyery of Developmental Loans MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) to (c), 17. SHRI B.V. DESAI: Will the 79 Written Answers JANUARY 18, 1985 Written Answers 80 Minister of FINANCE be pleased to agricuit ural advances by the commercial 'State : banks is nearJy fifty two per cent of the d~mand and it is not regarded satis (1.) whether the former Uni on Finance factory. Minister have shown concern over the poor recovery of developmental loans; (e) and (f). It was suggested that special recovery drive may be organised (b) if so, wh~ther he had warned that for improving the recovery position of a stage had CO'll.! where corrective action cooperative as well as commercial banks. could not be dl!layed any longer; Many State Governments have replied positively and as~ured that they would (c) if so, whether he had expressed extend all necessary help to the banks for these views before the Conference of State the recovery of their dues. M nisters incharge of Rural Development held in September, 1984; (g) It is too early to assess the results (d. whether a low level of co-operathe of suggestions made in October, 1984. banks, performance in rural development Programme has been attl ibuted directly to 1\lodernisation of Navy by China and p::>or re:0veries an d the public sector Pakistan bank had a:so not faired we!) regarding recovery of their direct agricultural 1 8. SHRI B.V. DESAI: Wi1l the advances; Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : (e) if so, the suggestions made by him in regard to the steps to be taken for recovery of loan s; (a) whether China is equipping its Navy with guided missiles and electronic (f, The extent to which the suggestions nuclear and antomatic weapons as part have been accepted and jmplemented by of its military modernisation drive; Slate Governments; and (b) if so, whether modernisation of (g) The extent to which the recovery Navy will have a greater impJication in percentage has been increased? the Indian Ocean; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MfNISTRY OF FINANCE (SHR[ (C) if ~o, whether China has also JANARDHANA POOJARY): (a) to (C). agreed to help Pakistan in modernising The former Union Finance Minister while its Naval Force; addressing the Conference of State Minis ters in-charge of Rural Development had ( d) if so, whether both China and emphasised the need for improving the Pakistan's modernising Navy will have recovery of bank dues. It was mentioned great implication on the security of India; that banks would be able to sustain a and bigger lending programme only when they are able to recycle the funds. Thereafter in October, 1984 the former Union (e) if so, the extent to which India Finance Minister also wrote letters to has also modernised its Naval force to State Chief Ministers for extending requi meet any threat from China and site support to the banks in the recovery Pakistan ? of their dues. (d) It is t rue that a number of THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE cooperative banks have been forced to (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): curtail their lending programme on account (9) Government have seen reports to of poor recovery. The recovery of direct this effect. 81 Written Answers PAUSA 28,1906 (SAKA) Written Answers 82 (b) The ambitious plan of China to remove certain imbalances and stagnation modernise its Navy, with guided missiles in the various ranks of the Armed Forces and electronic nuclear and automatic and to improve their career prospects. A weapons, is likely to have an impact on number of posts were upgraded to ensure the maritime security environment in the better promotion avenues for tbe men as Indian Ocean. well as the officers. For certain officer ranks, Selection grades were introduced; besides, time frames for promotion have (c) China has been one of the sup also been reduced. The quota of honorary pliers of Naval weapons to Pakistan. commissions for Junior Commissioned officers have also been increased. (d) and (e). Yes, Sir, the modernisation programmes of these two countries are Government are committed to the COn likely to have security implications for cept of improv ing the lot of all its em India. The Government of India reviews ployees including those in the armed constantly the growing threat to India's forces. The Fourth Pay Commission set security from the induction of Naval up by the Government are al so examining hardware in our areas of interests. The certain proposals regarding pay structure Indian Navy's acquisition and construction _ of the Military personnel. plans are suitably updated to meet emerging or possible situations. Achievement of Target of Saleable Steel by Public Sector Steel Plants Benefits to Military Personnel under the Military l\1anpower Planning Programme 20. SHRIMATI KISHORI siNHA: Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES AND 19. SHRI B.Y. DESAI: Will the COAL be pleased to state: Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (a) whether public sector steel plants (a) whether a more scientific approach are anywhere near achieving the 1984-85 to military manpower planning is being target of saleable steel ; formulated by his Ministry in the light of the experience of the two recent cadre reviews and the rising expectations of the (b) if not, the reasons therefor ; three services with regard to career pros pects and emoluments; (c) if so, whether this achievement would also help the plants to record higher (b) if so, the proposals that are being profits ; and considered under the programme ; (d) whether cost of steel production had (c) the extent to which the benefits will also gone up in public sector steel plants be made available to the military person and if so, reasons thereof? nel ; and THE MINISTER OF ST~TE IN THE (d) the time by which fioal decision is DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SH~I likely to be taken ? K. NATWAR SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. During the year 1984-85, tbe public sector integrated steel plants are set to THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE achieve their annual targets of saleable (SHRI P Y. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) steel production. The targets and actual to (d). Two Cadre Reviews have been achievement during the 9 months period \lQ4ertaken durini the last few years to April-December? 1984 are ,ivcn b.lQW ; 83 Written Answers lA.NUARY 18, 1985 Written Answers 84 ('000 tonnes) Plant Target April-December 1984 Actuals during 1984-85 Target Actual %Fulfillment April-Dec. 1983 SAIL plants 5410 3743 3602 96.2% 3241 including lISCO The production in SAIL plants including (c) The achievement of target of sale lISCO during April-December 1984 is able steel will help SAIL in improving its 11 % higher than that during April financial performance. December 1983. (d) The cost of production of ~aleable steel has been going up over the years as (b) Does not arise. will be seen from the following table: Year Cost of production of saleable Increase in cost of production of steel in four integrated steel saleable steel over previous year plants of SAIL (Rs.jT) (Rs./T) 1980.81 2553 386 1981 .. 82 2859 306 1982-83 3432 573 i 983-84 3970 538 The main reasons for increase in the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cost of production is the increase in the MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI cost of various inputs like coal, power, JANARDHANA POOJARY): (a) No petro-fuels, labour cost over the period. ~~ , [Translation] (b) and (C). Does not arise. Decline in Tax Collec~ion [English] 21. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Bringing the Weaker Sections above Poverty Line (8) whether there has been a 10 per cent decline in tax collection this year ; 22. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: Will the Minister of PLANN ING be (b) if so, the amount of taxes which pleased to state : should have been collected and the amount by which the collections fell short this year ; and (a) the steps taken to bring the weaker sections of the society above (c) the re~sQns tb~refof ? povert)' line durms the l~st five ),ears , 85 Written Answers 1»AtiSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 (b) the results achieved so far THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Statewise ; and DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI K. NATWAR SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. (C) further steps taken in this regard and the target fixed for the purpose? (b) and (c'. The production capacity in Orissa is very large compared to the present production. Enhanced production THE MINISTER OF STATJi IN THE of iron ore on account of increased MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI domestic steel production or higher K.R. NARAYANAN: (a) A number of exports of iron ore is likely to be met programmes like the Integrated Rural from the existing capacities itself. Development Programme (IRDP). Natio. nal Rural Employment Programme Setting up of Nickel Project (NREP) and Rural Landless Labour in Sukinda, Orissa Employment Guarantee Programme (RLEGP) have been under implementation to bring the weaker sections of society 24. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT. above poverty line. These programmes NAIK : Will the Minister of STEEL, are aimed at increasing the income of MINES AND COAL be pleased to the weaker sections by creation of assets state : leading to a steady flow of income Of of employment. (a) whether Government have a pro posal to set up a Nickel Project near Sukinda in Orissa ; (b) In the first four years of the Sixth Plan (1980-84), 12.58 million (b) if so, the steps taken to imple families have been assisted through the ment the above proposal; and IRDP and 1,428 million mandays of employment have been generated through (c) the details thereof? the NREP and the RLEGP. THE MINISTER OF STEEL, MINES (c) As envisaged in the Approach to AND COAL (SHRI VASA NT SATHE) : the Seventh Five Year Plan, the package (a) to (c). Sanction was issued earlier of poverty alleviation programmes will based on preliminary feasibility report continue at an accelerated pace in the envisaging the use of the indigenous Seventh Plan period. technology for setting up of Sukinda Nickel Project. However, the project Development of Iron Ore Mines could not progress as the indiaenous technology chosen failed when tried on pilot plant scale. The indigenous techno 23. SHRIMATI JAY ANTI PAT logy having failed, foreign consultancy NAIK : Will the Minister of STEEL, had to be chosen judiciously. An expert MINES AND COAL be pleased to state : deputed by Candlan International Deve .. lopment Agency carried out a preliminary evaluation of the available data and (a) whether steps have been taken for according to his report, it would be the development of iron ore mines in the necessary to undertake additional explora country; tion, laboratory and pilot plant test work, before feasibi lity report can be prepared. (b) if so, the specific steps taken in A scheme for additional exploration has last three years for the development of been prepared. Offers were invited from iron ore mine s in Orissa i and foreign consultants for review of explora tion data and laboratory and pilot plant tcst work. Based on the offers received (~) the details thereof '1 1C1ection of a suitable ~oDsultant i. under 81 'Written ~nswers JANUARY 18, 1985 Written Answers 8 g fioalisation by Hindustan Copper Limited. current branch licensing polic y covers the Once this exercise is completed the whole period from April 1982 to March 1985 question of taking up of additional and aims at achieving a coverage of one exploration and test WOJ k 00 the Sukinda bank office for every 1 7,000 popUlation Nickel ores will be considered. on the basis of 1981 census in the rural and semi urban areas. For the stipulated norms of populati on coverage, 7540 Opening of new Branches of branches were required to be opened Commercial Banks during the policy period in rural/semi urban areas of deficit districts. In addition, 25. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT 823 branches were proposed to be opened NAIK: Will the Minister of FINANCE in non-deficit districts. be pleased to state: (b) State-wise details of the increase (a) the target set for the opening of in the number of branches between new branches of various commercial 31.3.82 to 30.6.84 and also authorisa banks in different States and Union tioDs/licences pending with the banks as on Territories during the Sixth Plan ; 30.6.84 are set out in the statement._ (b) tbe State-wise achievement made (c) The State Governments were to in this regard so far ; and identify centres for opening new bank branches on the basis of the recOmmen (c) the details of the programme dations of District Consultative Com _prepared to achieve the Sixth Plan bank mittee. During the current policy period. 'eXpansion programme? so far about ten thousand centres have been allowed to banks for opening offices in rural and semi-urban areas on the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE basis of such reccommendatioDs and also MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI on the basis of proposals received from JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) The individual banks. Statement Stare-wlse/ Union Territory-wise increa~e in the number of branches of commercial banks in the country between 31.3-82 and 30.6.84 as also the number of authonsations/IL'ences pending with them as on 30.6.84 State/Union Rurul Semi Urban Metro- Total Au lorisations I Territories urban politan/ Licences pen Port ding as on Towns 30.6.84 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1. Andhra Pradesh 451 23 29 30 533 425 2. Assam 134 27 4 165 221 3. Bihar 426 25 26 477 712 4. Gujarat 252 24 22 24 322 205 s. Haryana 109 16 19 144 27 89 Written Answets PAUSA 28, i98' (SAKA) Written ~lISWers 90 2 3 4 5 6 7 -. 6. Himachal Pradesh 91 92 35 7. Jammu & Kashmir 78 2 10 90 86 8. Karnataka 426 33 36 24 519 258 9. Kerala 55 80 18 6 159 57 10. Madhya Pradesh 642 60 38 740 490 11, Maharashtra 415 25 54 48 542 490 12. Manipur 11 12 37 13. Meghalaya 26 4 31 32 14. Nagaiand 9 2 11 6 15. Orissa 228 24 11 264 166 16, Punjab 141 16 23 180 119 17. Rajasthan 312 38 34 384 216 18. Sikkim 10 2 12 19. Tamil Nlldu 283 44 40 44 411 196 20. Tripura 2 3 38 21. Uttar Pradesh 1078 57 64 14 121-3 1,360 22. West Bengal 213 33 11 34 291 690 23. Andaman & Nicobar 1 1 2 Islands 24. Arunachal Pradesh 10 1 11 25 25. Chandigarh 5 6 .11 7 26. Delhi 7 1 70 78 72 27. Dadra & Nagar Haveli 28. Goa, Daman & Diu 10 1 11 5 29. Lakshadweep 30. Mizoram 5 2 7 28 31. Pondicherry 2 2 4 4 Total 5432 541 447 298 6718 6009 9i Written Answers, lANUARl' 18,,1 ~8S WrItten AnsWers 9~ Import of Fire Arms by Private PerSOD5 had not been declared by him. The revolvers and cartridges were detained. 26. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: A Show Cause Notice has been issued WJll the Minister of FINANCE be pleased and the case is under adjudication. Shri to state: Jagir Singh was arrested and is being prosecuted. (a) whether unusually large number of fire· arms are being imported daily by Under the existing Import Policy, private persons; import of fire arms into India except as a gift from close relations covered by a (b) whether any passenger can bring valid Customs Clt:arance Permit, or as into the country fire-arms as general baggage by persons returning from abroad, baggage after paying 340 per cent duty is a!ready banned. Moreover; any person plus penalty upto 500 per cent ; intending to import a fire arm either as a gift or baggage has also to produce an Arms Licence. (c) whether these fire-arms are brought/imported by passengers coming from Singapore and Hongkong ; Profitability of Banks (d) whether in July last year a retired 27. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAIN Bragadier was arrested for possessing 3 SINHA: Will the Minister of FINANCE revolvers and 450 cartridges at the air be pleased to state : port; and (e) if so, the details thereof and the (a) whether the Reserve Bank of steps being taken to stop import of fire India report on banking for the year arms by private persons? ending June, 1 984 has expressed concern at the declining profitability of banks : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) whether this decline is also due to JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) No, high incidence of sickness in industry; Sir. (c) whether operating costs for Indian (b) Persons of Indian origin returning, banking industry are high as compared to from abroad can bring fire-arms of non other countries ; and prohibitted bores as baggage subject to payment of 340% duty and production (d) the steps proposed to be taken to of a valid licence under the Arms Act. achieve better profitability for banks? Such persons cannot, however, bring more than one revolver/pistol or one rifle/shot gun, and such fire-arms cannot THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be sold with in a period of 10 years. MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : (a) The Reserve Bank of India in its Report on (c) These fire arms are imported by Trend and Progress of Banking in India persons coming from different countries for the year ending June 1984~ has including Singapore and Hongkong. indicated improving profitability as one of the medium term tasks before the (d) Yes, Sir. Banks. (e) On 19/20.7.84 one Shri Jagir (b) Advances to sick industrial units Singh, a retired Brigadier was arrested at have!increased over the years. Banks are Palam Airport as he was found~to possess nursing many of these units to become three revolvers and 450 cartridges which viable and in the process the package of 93 Written Answers PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Written Answers 94 concessions extended envisages sacrifices available with the Reserve Bank of India in the forms of reduction in interest as on 30th November, 1984, the propo rates, funding of overdue interest, grant sals approved since 1st April 1982, for of additional limits on soft terms etc. investments in shares/debentures amounted This to, some extent affects the earnings to Rs. 215.21 crores. Th is is encouraging. of banks. Data maintained by the Reserve Bank of India under the Portfolio Investment (c) No comparative study of the Scheme relate to actual investments made, operating expenses of Indian Banks with and as on 30th September# 1984, shares/ that of the Banks in other countries has dehentures worth Rs. 43.69 crOres were been carried out. purchased by non -resident Indians through Stock Exchanges under this scheme. ( d) Measures to improve the profit ability of banks and to sustain their Shortage of Coking Coal to Steel Plants viability are under continuous review, 29. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : Will the Minister of STEEL, MINES AND NRI Investments in New Equities COAL be pleased to state: 28 SHRI SATYENDRA NARAIN (a) whether there is a perennial shor SINHA: Will the Minister of FINANCE tage of supply of coking coal to the Steel be pleased to state: Plants; and (a) whether Government intend to res (b) the steps taken or proposed to be trict Nonresident Indians' investments in taken to ensure quality, adequate and equity only to new issues and expansion speedy supply of coal to the Steel Plants? projects; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the total amount so far invested by DEPARTMENT OF STEEL (SHRI K. Non-resijen t Indians in new issues and NATWAR SINGH): (a) and (b). It is a expansion projects and the amount inves fact that the Steel Authority of India havo ted in the existing equities; been importing some quantity of washed coking coal for a number of years. (c) whether Government consider this During 1983-84, 0.463 mi!lion tonnes of flow into new investments as against washed coking coal was imported, which investments in existing equities as reason amounted to 3% of the total quantity of ab1e ; and washed coking coal consumed by the steel sector in that year. (d) if not, the steps being taken to encourage flow of Non-resident Jndlans' The question of supply of coking coal investments in new equities? to tbe steel plants has recently been exa mined in details by an Expert Group, which submitted its report in December, THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND 1984. This Expert Group has suggested COMMERCE AND SUPPLY (SHRI a number of steps both short-term and VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH): (a) ]ong-term, to be taken to increase the No such proposal is under consideration. supplies of coking coal to meet the requirements of the steel plants as well as (b) to (d). Perhaps, the Honourable to improve the quality of these supplies. Member's intention is regarding invest Accordingly, new coking coal mines are ments made by non-resident Indians being taken up and existing mines are under the direct and the portfolio invest being' modernised and expanded in the ment schemes. So far as direct investment Jharia and other coalfields and new wash s~hem~s are con~erned~ aC~OfdiD$ to (fat" rie$ are beiDB set uP. For this purpose, 9~ JVritten Answers JANUARY t 8, 198' Written Answers 96 an outlay of about Rs. ) 000 crores (at MR. SPEAKER: You have seen that 1984-85 price level) has been proposed the Minister is coming with a statement. for the Seventh Five Year Plan period. It will be done later on. A number of measures have been adop. (lnter"uptions) ted by the Coal India Limited to improve the quality of coking coal supplies to steel MR. SPEAKER: We have already plants,- including the following: done it. You know it. Why should you do this? (i) Supply of raw coal with high ash (lnterruptio s) percentage and poor caking chara cteristics to the washries has been MR. SPEAKER: We must understand minimised. each other now. This is the first time. (ii) Maximum possible attention is (Interruptions) being given to ensure better main tenance and operation of the washeries. MR. SPEAKER: This will not cut any ice. I assured you that if there was any thing, you could ccme to me, I would (iii) Major modifications have been listen to you and I would give time for carried out in some of the washe the expression of your ideas and your ries by the installation of balan thoughts on any given subject, but not cing facilities to optimise their like this. I am not going to budge. I performance. want your cooperation. I have requested you to cooperate, and I am open to As Our coals are very difficult to wash suggestions. Already there is one thing ; and need a specialised treatment, as a and according to the rules. I have already long term measure, a separate institute for admitted that. I will give you every designing and constructing new coal wash chance, whatever be the subject. Again, eries is being set up, which will ensure my assurance on the floor of the House the adoption of the latest washing techno is that on any subject under the' sun, logy to suit Indian coals. according to the rules, I will allow it. Why should you unnecessarily take time ? 11.00 bri. ( InterruptionJ) (Interruptions) SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Midna MR. SPEAKER: What is it now? pore): Is this in the rules? Why do you do like this? Why do you shout like this? I am Open to suggestions. MR. SPEAKER : If you have read the Why are you shouting like that? What rules. you \\ ill realize it. I know the rules; are you doing ? but if you do like this, I am not going to listen, (lnurruptions) PROF. MADHU DANBAVATE (InfefT uptionl)·· (Rajapur): I want to draw your atten tion to the fact that what has happened MR. SPEAKER: Nothing gees on in the Union Carbide at Bhopal is a vey record without my permission. I am open serious matter, and there is total failure to suggestions, and I have already said of the administration I have given an that Bhopal is going to be discussed, The adjournment motion. Minister is loins to make a statement • • *Not recorded, 97 Written Answers PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Written Answers 98 PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: given notice of an adjournment motion There is a way out. ,. on the Governor of Andhra Pradesh re fusing to sign the ordinance forwarded to him by the Chief Minister, MR. SPEAKER: No question of way out. PROF. MADHU DANDVATE: There is a way out on the basis of what you have said. If the Minister is going to MR. SPEAKER: Under the rules, make a statement, I would submit that you cannot raise it. under rule 193, there can be a discussi on on that. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: That is what I said MR. SPEAKER: The Business Advi earlier. The Minister's statement means sory Committee will decide it. So simple you can have your submission, and we it is. It is the BAC which does it. New -;;ill allow the discussion. There is no Papers Laid: problem at all on that. That is what I said: never be agitated. You can come to me. I will explain things to yOll, We wiJ] Shri Narasimha Rao. meet at 12.15, and then devise ways and means, and give the priority. (lnterruptions) SHRI AMAL DUTTA (Diamond Harbour)-rose (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Under the rules you cannot. MR. SPEAKER: You are an old hand. Are you a new one? You know what to do. You give your notice under SHRI CHANDUPATLA JANGA rule 193 and then we will discuss. But REDDY: I have given an adjournment dentt waste my time. motion ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: You come to me, and I wiH explain to you. No submission now. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura) -rose. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : You are also a very old hand. Why do you try to do this SHRI S.M. BHATTAM (Visakha- unnecessarily? No. I am going to be very strict from now on. patnam) : On a point of order. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: No pOint of order now. You can come to me. I will tell r 1 rans/ufton) you. You can discuss with me. Now Mr, Narasimha Rao. SHRI CHANDUPATLA JANGA l\f;OPY (Hanamkonda): Sir, l have 99 JANUARY 18, 1985 Papers Laid 100 12.04 hrs. Annual Report and Review on the working of Indian Investment Centre, New Deihl for 1983-84 PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [English] MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY) : On behalf Annual Report and Review on the working of Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh, I beg of Institute of Defence Studies and Analy to lay on the Table ses, New Delhi for 1983-84 (1) A copy of the Annual R~port THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (Hindi and English versions) of (SHRI p.V. NARASIMHARAO) : I beg the Indian Investment Centre, to Jay on the Table. New Delhi, for the year 1983-84 along with Audited Accounts. (1) A copy of the Annual Report {Hindi and English versions) of (2) A statement (Hindi and English the Institute for Defence Studies versions) regarding Review by the and Analyses, New Delhi, for the Government on the working of year 1983-84 along with Audited the Indian Investment Centre, Accounts. New Delhi, for the year 1983-84. [Placed in Library, See No. LT 4/85] (2) A statement (Hindi and English versions) regarding Review by the Gangtok Municipal Corpora1 ion (Amend Government On the working of ment) Ordinance 1984 the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, New Delhi, for the THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND year 1983-84. HOUSING (SHRI ABDUL GHAFOOR): I beg to lay on tbe Table a copy of the [Placed in Library. See No. LT-2/85] Gangtok Municipal Corporation (Amend ment) Ordinance. 1984, (No.1 of 1984) (Hindi and English versions) promulgated by the Governor of Sikkim on the Notification under Government of Union 17th December, 1984, under article TerrJtories Act, 1963 213 (2) (a) of the Constitution read with clause (C) (iv) of tbe Proclamation dated the 25th May, 1984, issued by the Presi THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dent in relation to the State of Sikkim. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS [Placed in Library. See No. L T -5 (85] (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : On behalf o~ Shri S.B. Chavan, I beg to lay on the Table a copy of Notification No. S.O. 955(E) (Hindi and English versions) published in Gazette of India SHRI SUDINI JAIPAL REDDY dated the 22nd December, 1984 contain (Mahbubnagar): A point of order ... ing President's Order dated the 22nd December, 1984 regarding extension of President's Rule in the Union f\1R. SPEAKER: What is your point Territory of Pondicherry for a further of order? period of six months with effect from 24th December, 1984, issued under SHRI SUDINI JAIPAL REDD,{: I section 51 of the Government of Union am just reading it out. I invite your kind Territories Act, 1963, [Placed in Library. attention to Article 75 (4). I Just quoto it See NQ. l.-1'-3/ 851 -it says: ( ~ -, - \ . ' i Oi Papers Laid PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Papers Laid 1-02 "Before a Minister enters upon SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond Har his office, the President shall ad bour) : Can the Ministers take oath minister to him the oaths of office cOllectively 1 and of secrecy according to the forms set out for the purpose in ( Interruptions) the Third Schedule.u MR. SPEAKER: Last time you did MR. SPEAKER: It is not connected not do it. Why are you doing it now? with me here. You were a member of Lok Sabha last time also. What happened then? SHRI SUDINI JAIPAL REDDY: This is a point of order. (Interruptions) SHRI AMAL DATTA We did Dot MR. SPEAKER: No; there is no do it. point of order. ( Interrupti:Jns) SHRI SUDINI JAIPAL REDDY: The Ministers have to take the oath indivi MR, SPEAKER: Why did you not dually and Separately, as required in the do it at that time? I am not going to Constitution. This is a constitutional point. listen to all this. Please sit down and take your seat. I have already over- MR. SPEAKER: This is not t he first ruled you and my ruling cannot be ques time. tioned by anybody. (lnterrupt,ons) SHRI AMAL DATTA What is your ruHng 1 MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of ord er. It is my order. MR. SPEAKER I have already done that. Mr. Ready, you are a young ( IllIerruptions) man; you try to understand some thing good. MR. SPEAKER You cannot dis- cuss the conduct of the P resident. Please SHRI SUDINI JAIPAL REDDY: I sit down. am an old hand. I may be· new to Parlia ment but not to Legislature. (Inierruptions) MR. SPEAKER: You don't want to MR. SPEAKER: I have already be a young man 1 ...... given my reply to your point of order. My ruling cannot be challenged. It is out ( Interruptions) of order. You are a very sensible person. Why do you behave like this? Please SHRI AMAL DATTA: We want sit down. to do it now. ( Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I have already MR. SPEAKER: Then provide allowed a submis~ion on it. Why do you something constructive and positive. I unnecessarily tak e the time of the House? have already allowed a submission on You are a new member; you should try this subject. If it comes under the pur to learn something good. I am not going view, the Minister will reply. PJease sit to allow it. down now. (In,erruptions) 103 Papers taid JANUARY i 8, i 985 Papers taid i 04 11.07 brs. ( 6) The Representation of the People (Amendment) Ordinance,. 1984 PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE-Conld. (No. 15 of 1984) promulgated by the President on the 20th [English] November, 1984. General Insurance Business (Nationalisa tion) Amendment Ordinance 1984, [Placed in Library. See No. LT-6/85] National Capital Region Planning Board Ordinance 1984, Foreign Con Notifications under Income Tax Act 1961, tributions (Regulation) Amendment Wealth Tax Act 1957, Estate Duty Ordinance 1984, Calcutta Metro Act 1953, Customs Tariff Act 1975, Railway (operation and Maintenance) Central Excise and Salt Act Temporary Provisions Ordinance, 1544 etc. etc. 1984 etc. etc. THE T\1 INISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI TARY AFFAIRS \SHRI H K.L. BHAGAT): I beg to lay on the Table JANARDHANA POOJARY): I beg to lay on the Table- a copy each of the fol1o~ing Ordinances (Hindi and English versions) under arti cle 123 (2) of the Constitution:- (1) A copy each of the following Noti fications (Hindi and English ver (1) The General Insurance Business sions) under section 296 of the (Nationalisation) Amendment Income-tax Act, 1961 :- Ordinance, 1984 (No. 10 of 1984) promulgated by the Presi 0) The Income-tax (Third dent on the 17th September, Amendment) Rules, 1984 1984. published in Notification No S.O. 757 (E) in GaZC'tte (2) The National Capital Region Plan of India dated the 1 st Octo ning Board Ordinance, 1984 (No. ber, 1984. 11 of 1984) promulgated by the President on the 19th October, 1984. (ii) The "Income-tax (Fourth Amendment) Rules, 1984 (3) The Foreign Contribution (Regu published in Notification No. lation) Amendment Ordinance, S.O. 824 (E) in Gazette of 1984 (No. 12 of 1984) promul India dated the 7th Novem gated by the President on the ber, 1984. 20th October, 1984. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-7/85] (4) The Calcutta Metro Railway Ope ration and Maintenance) Tem (2). A copy each of the following Noti porary provIsIons Ordinance, fications (Hindi and English ver 1984 (No. 13 of 1984) promul sions) under sub-section (4) of gated by the President on the section 46 of the Wealth Tax 22nd October, 1984. Act, 1957 :- (5) The Sugar Undertakings (Taking (i) The Wealth-tax (Second Over of Management) Amend Amendment) Rules, 1984, ment Ordinance, 1984 (No. 14 published in Notification No. of 1984) promulgated by the S.O. 758 (E) in Gazette of President on the 20th November, India dated the 18t October, 1984. 1984. 105 Pap~rs Laid JltAti~A i8, i 90~ (SAKA) ~' (ii) The Wealth-tax (Fourth published in Notification No. AmeDdment) Rules, 1984 G.S.R. 1028 in Gazette of published in Notification india dated the 29th Sep No. S.O. 958 (E) in Gaz:ette tember, 1984. of India dated the 26th December, 1984. (ii) The Central Excise (Eleventh Amendment) Rules, 1984 published in Notification [Placed in Library. See No. LT-8/85] No. G.S,R. 791 (E) in Gazette of India dated the 23rd November, 1984. (3) A copy of Notification No. G.S.R. 6(E) (Hindi and Engl ish versions) publ ished in Gazette of India (iii) The Central Excise (Twelfth dated the 2nd January, 1985, re Amendment) Rules, 1984 garding exemption to the moneys published in Notification No. payable under the Cen tral G.S R. 81 1 (E) in Gazette Governmen t Employees Group of India dated the 7th De Insurance Scheme, 1980 or under cember, 1984. any other Group Insurance Scheme taken up by an employer with the (iv) The Central Excise (Thir Life Insurance Corporation of teenth Amendment) Rules, India for the benefit of his em 1984, published in Notifica .. ployees from levy of estate duty tion No. G.S.R. 1253 in under sub-section (2) of section Gazette of India dated the 33 of the Estate Duty Act. 1 9 5 ~ 15th December, 1984. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 9/85]. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-ll/8S] (6) A copy each of the following (4) A copy of Notification No G S.R. Notifications (Hindi and English 695 (E) (Hindi and English ver versions) under section 1 59 of sions) published in Gazette of the Customs Act, 1962 :- India dated the 29th September, 1984 together with an explanatory memorandum notifying 'Indo (i) G.S.R. 622 (E) and 623 tEl UAE Submarine cable Project' as a published in Gazette of India proje(;t under Heading 84.66 of dated the 23rd August, 1984 the Customs Tariff Act, 1975 together with an explanatory for concessional rate of 40 percent memorandum regarding ex ad valorem (basic customs duty) emption to Heat Reclaim on all goods imported for the Cent rifugal Machine when project, under section 10 of said imported into India from Act. [Placed in Library. See No. basic customs duty in excess LT-IO/85] of 40 per cent ad vaJortm and auxiliary duty of cus- toms in excess of 25 (5) A copy each of the following per cent ad valJfem. Notifica ti ons (Hindi and English versions) under sub.section (2) of section 3 8 of the Central Ex (ii) G.S.R. 632 (E) and 633(E) cises and Salt Act, 1944 :- published in Gazette of India dated the 30th August, 1 984 together with an ex - ( i) The Central Excise (Tenth planatory memorandum Ie Amendment) Rules, 1984 aardin8 exemption to tho JANuARY i8, 1~8S Papers Laid i 68 di-iso-butylene, Heptene and plion to glass shells of sizes Nonene imported for the 45 mm, 60 mm and 80 mm manufacture of oxoalchohols diameter imported for the from the whole of the basic, manufacture of electric lamps auxiliary and additional du from basic customs duty in ties of customs Jeviab1e excess of 1 0 per cen t thereon. ad velorem up to 30th August, 1985. (iii) G.S.R. 637 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the (vii) G.S.R. 661 (E) published in 31st August, 1 984 together Gazette of India dated the with an explanatory memo 15th September, 1984 to randu m making certain gether with an explanatory amendment to Notification memorandum regarding exem No. 77 -Customs dated the ption to glass sheJJs imported 17th April, 1980 so as to for the manufacture of fluo exempt Chindies, paper cut rescent tubes from basic tings and the waste packing customs duty in exr:ess of material anslOg in the 10 per cent ad valorem course of production within upto 30th September, 1984. the zone subject to certain conditions from the payment of customs duty. ( viii) G.S.R. 662 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the 15th September, 1984 (iv) G.S.R. 642 (E) published in together with an explanatory Gazette of India dated the memorandum regarding exem .. 31 st August, 1984 together ption to lead glass tubings with an explanatory memo imported for the manufac randum making certain ture of components of amendment to Notification electric lamps and fluores No. 236 f7 6 -Customs dat cent tubes from the basic ed the 2nd August, 1976 customs duty in excess of 25 sO as to exempt diaries im per cent ad valorem up to ported into India by the 30th September 1984. United Nations International Children Emergency Fund from the payment of CUI (ix) G.S.R. 663 (E) published in toms duty. Gazette of India dated the ] 5th September, 1984 to gether with an explanatory (v) O.S.R. 656 (E) pubJished memorandum regarding ex in Gazette of India dated the emption to goods covered 12th September, 1984 to by Notification Nos. 234/84 getber with an explanatory -Customs to 236j84 Cus memorandum resinding Noti toms dated 15th September, fication No. 18/84-Cus. 1984 from the auxiliary toms dated the 14th Feb duty of customs in excess ruary» 1 9 8 4 • of 5 per cent ad valorem. (vi) O.S.R. 660 (E) published in (x) G.S.R. 664 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the Gazette of India dated the 15th September, 1984 to· 15 th September, 1984 to. gether with an explanatory gether with an explanatory memorandum regarding exem- memorandum makina certain 109 Papers Laid PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Papers Laid 11 0 amendment to Notification memorandum regarding exem No. 157 /82-Customs dated ption to components and the 26th May, 1982 so as equipments when imported to insert a proviso in the into Ind ia for the manufac notification to make clear ture of tra w Jers from the the intention of exemption whole of the basic, auxiliary granted under other noti. and additional duties of fications. customs leviable thereon. (xi) G.S.R. 674 (E) published in (xv) G.S.R. 696 (E) and 697 (E) Gazette of India dated the published in Gazette of 20th Sept~mber, 1984 to India dated the 29th Septem gether with an explanatory ber, 1984 together with an memorandum regarding rates explanatory memorandum of exchange for conversion of making certain amendment Canadian Dollars and USA to Notification No. 228/83- Dollars into Indian currency Customs dated the 16th or vice versa. August, ] 983 regarding in crease in the effective rate of basic customs duty on (xii) G.S.R. 679 (E) and 680 (E) certain specified chemicals published in Gazette of india from 70 per cent to 85 per dated the 24th September, cent ad valorem. 1984 together with an ex planatory memorandum re garding exemption to Ethy (xvi) G.S R. 709 (E) published lene Dichloride imported for in \Gazette of India dated the manufacture of PVC re the 1 st October, 1984 to sins from the basic customs gether with an explanatory duty in excess of 20 per cent memorandum rega rding ratei ad valorem and from the of exchange for conversion whole of additional and auxi. of certain foreign currencies liary duties of customs levi into Indian currency or able thereon. vice }'erSQ. (xiii) G.S.R. 682 (E) and 683(E) (xvii) G.S.R. 715 (E) published in published in Gazette of India Gazette of I nd ia dated the dated the 25th September, 9th October, 1984 together 1984 together with an ex with an explanatory mlmo plana lory memorandum re rand urn regarding increase garding exemption to palm in the rate of export duty on kernal oil when imported conffee from Rs. 640 per into IDdia for the manu quintal to Rs. 720 per facture of fatt\! alcohols quintal. from the basic customs dUly in excess of 25 per cent (xviii) G.S.R. 719 (E) published in ad valorem and from the Gazette of India dated the whole of the auxiliary duty 12th October, 1984 together of customs leviable thereon. with an explanatory memOft randum making certain (xiv) G.S.R. 688 (E) and 689 (E) amendment to Notification published in Gazette of No. 329 ; 76-Customs dated India dated the 27th tbe 2nd August, 1976 so as September, 1984 to- to exempt Calcined Mica ,ether witll an explanator~ t>19C~ and Calcin~d Mici 111 Papers Laid JANUARY 18, 1985 Papers Laid 112 scrap from the whole of the plana tory memorandum seek export duty leviable tbereon. ing to continue exemptions from customs duty to com ponents of commercial (xix) G .S.R. 741 (E) published motor vehicles imported for in Gazette of India dated the the manufacture of heavy, 25th October, 1984 together medium or light commercial with an explanatory memo motor vehicles from customs randum extend ing the vali duty in excess of 45 per dity of Notification No. cent ad vu/._'rem allowed 230j82-Custom3 dated the under Notification Nos. 1 9th October, 1982 upto 260j84-Customs dated the 31st October, 1 985. 22nd October, 1984 and 135/84-Customs dated the (xx) G.S.R. 745 (E) published in 11 th May, 1984. Gazette of India dated the 27th October, 1984 together with an explanatory memo (xxiv) G.S.R, 762 (E) and 763 (E) randum extending the val i publ ished in Gazette of dity of Notification No. India dated the] 4th Novem- 295/83-Customs dated the ber, 1984 together with 1st November. 1983 upto an explanator~ memo- the 30th April. 1985. randum regarding exemption to aircraft equipments, engines and spare parts im. (xxi) G.S.R. 745 (E) published ported into India by Messrs in Gazette of India dated Air India International and the 29th October, 1984 to Indian Airlines on a tempo gether with an explanatory rary basis for fitment to tbeir memorandum regarding ex aircrafts from the whole of emptio:J. to Butadiene im the basic auxiliary and addi ported for the manuf:tcture tional duties of customs levi of Styrene Butadiene Rubber able thereon. (SBR) from basic customs duty in excess of 35 per cent ad valorem and from (XXV) G.S.R .. 777 (E) published the whole of additional duty in Gazette of India dated of customs leviable thereon. the 19th November, 1984 together with an explanatory (xxii) G S.R. 747 (E) published memorandum regarding con in Gazette of India dated cessional rate of import the 29th October, 1984 to duty of 5 per cent ad v./lorem gether with an explanatory in respects of parts of speci memorandum regarding re fied computer peripheral vi~ed rate of exchange for devices. conversion of Russian Rouble into Ind ian currenc} or (xxvi) G.S.R. 778 (E) published in vice-verS3 in supersession of Gazette of India dated Notification No. 213-Cus the 19th November, 1984 toms dated the 1 st August, together with an ex- 1984. planatory memorandum re garding cODcessionaJ rate of (xxiii) G.S.R. 750 (E) and 751 (E) import duty of 60 per cent published in Gazette of India ad valorem in respect of com dated the 30th October, puter software in object 19 84 tosetb~r with ~n e~- code Ind soflwlre In source 113 Papers Laid PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Papers Laid 114 code in any media other memorandum seeking to than printed matter On make consequential changes paper. in Notification Nos. 136(84- Customs and 142!84-Cus (xxvii) G.S.R. 779 (E) published I, toms both dated 11 th May. in Gazette of India dated 1 984 . relating to auxiliary the 19th November, 1984 du ties of customs. together with an explanatory memorand urn regard ing con (xxxii) G.S.R. I(E) published in cessional rate of import Gazette of India dated the duty of 60 per cent and 25 1 st January. 1985 together per cent ad valorem in res with an explanatQry note pect of two categories of regarding exemption to computer peripheral devices. certain specified machinery and equipment for gem and (xx viii) G.S.R. 780 (E) publ ished jewellery industry from basic in Gazette of India dated customs duty in excess of 1 5 the 19th November, 1984 per cent ad valorem and together with an explanatory complete exemptio:l from memorandum regarding con countervailing duty. cessional rate of import duty of 60 per cent ad valorem in respect of cOm (xxxiii) G,S.R. 5(E) published in puters. Gazette of India dated the 1st January, 1985 together (xxix) G.S.R. 781 (E) published with an expJantory memo in Gazette of India dated randum regarding rates of the 19th November, ] 984 exchange for ·conversion of together wit h an explanatory certain foreign currencies memorandum see king to into Indian currency or vice-versa. make some minor changes in Notification No. 232/83- Customs dated the 18th (xxxiv) G.S.R. 631(E) published in August, 1983 and Notifica Gazette of India dated the tion No 233J83-Customs 30th August. 1984 together dated the 18th August, 1983. with an explanatory memo randum containing Corri (xxx) G.S.R 782 (E) published in gendum to Notification No. Gazette of India dated the 219 j84-Customs dated the' 19th November, 19X4 to 10th August, 1984. gether with an explanatory memorandum seeking to grant complete exemption (xxxv) G.S.R. 22(E) and 23(E) to the goods specified in published in Gazette of India Notification Nos. 279/84- dated the 16th January. Customs to :'.R2/84 Cus 1985 together with an expl toms dated the 19th anatory memorandum regar November, 1984 from the ding exemption to compo.. auxiliary duty of customs nents of electrically operated leviable thereon. trolley buses, eJectricalJy operated tow tractors (other (xxxi) G.S.R. 783(£) published in than platform trucks and Gazette of India dated the fork-lift trucks) and battery 19th November, 1984 toge powered road vehicles when ther with an explanatory imported into India for tbe 11 S Papers Laid JANUARY 18,1985 manufacture of such electri for running the gas turbine cally operated vehicles from at the Talcher Unit of the basic customs duty in excess Fertilizer Corporation of of 25 per cent ad valorem India from excise duty in and auxiliary duty of customs excess of Rupees five hundred in excess of 15 per cent and twenty five per kilo litre. ad va/orr?m. (iv) G.S.R. 657(E) published in [Placed in Library. See No. LT~12/85] Gazette of India dated the 13th September, 1984 toge (7) A copy each of the following th~r with an explanatory Notifications (Hindi and English memorandum regarding ex versions) issued under the Central emption to ferro~aJJoys (other Excise Rules, 1944- than ferro molybdenum) when used in the manu facture of dutiable iron and G.S.R. 640(E) published in (i) steel products from the whoJe Gazette of India dated the of the duty of excise leviable 31st Augustn 1 984 together thereon. with an explanatory memo randum making certain amendment to Notification ,v) G.S.R. G65(E) published in No. 49/83-CE dated the 1 st Gazette of India dated the March, 1983 so as to fix an t 7 th September, 1984 toge effective basic excise duty of ther with an explanatory Rupees 41.00 per Kg. on memorandum regarding effec nylon filament yarn above tive rate of basic excise duty 2S0 de.Qien but not above on pipes and tubes of 7 S 0 denient. copper. (ii) G.S.R. 641 (E) published in (vi) O.S.R. 666(E) published in Gazette of India dated the Gazette of India dated the 315t August, 1984 together 17th September, 1984 toge with an explanatory memo ther with an explanatory randum making certain memorandum making amend amendment to Notification ment to Notification No. No. 51/83-CE dated the 1st 175/84-CE dated the 1st Mareh .. 1 983 so as to fix an August, 1984. effective basic excise duty of R~pees 41.00 per Kg. on textured nylon filament yarn (vii) G .S.R. 690(E) published in above 275 deniers but not Gazette of India dated the above 825 deniers. 28th September, 1984 toge ther with an explanatory memorandum making certain (iii) G.S.R 645{E) pubHshecf in amendment to Notification Oazette of India dated the No. 38/73.CE dated the 1st 5th September, 1984 toge March. 1973 so as to exclude ther with an explanatory 'Acrylic plastic bangle tubes· memorandum regarding exem from the purview of the ption to raw naphtha falling sa id notification. under item No. 6 of the First Schedule to the Central (viii) G.S.R. 691(E) published in Excises and Salt Act, 1 944 Gazette of India dated the ~nd in~nded fOr use as futtl ~8th September, 1984 toge- 1i 7 -Pap~rs Laid PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) /Itlpers Laid 1 i 8 ther with an explanatory (xiii) G.S.R. 729(E) published in memorand urn seeking to Gazette of India dated the reduce the basic excise duty 20th October, 1984 together on Cellophane film of re with an explanatory memo generated cellulose of thick randum regarding exemption ness not exceeding 0 .25 mm to glass shells and glass from 20 per cent to 10 per bulbs used in the manu cent ad valorem. facture of television picture tubes from the whole of the G.S.R. 692(E) published in duty of excise leviable Gazette of India dated the thereon. 28th September, 1984 toge ther with an explanatory (xiv) G.S.R. 730(E) published in memOl and urn regarding Gazette of India dated the exemption to Heavy Petro 20th October, 1984 toge ... leum Stock intended for use ther with an explanatory as fuel for the generation of memorandum regarding electrical energy by specified exemption to metallised electrical undertakings from polyester and metallised poly the whole of the excise propylene film upto a thick duty. ness of 12 microns and used in electronic capacitors from (x) G.S.R. 704(E) published in the whole of the duty of Gazette of India dated the exc ise leviable thereon. 1st October, 1984 together with an explanatory memo (xv) G.S.R. 731(E) published in randum regarding exemption Ga~tte of India dated tbe to electricity from the whole 20th October, 1984 toge of the duty of excise leviable ther with an explanatory thereon. memorandum regarding revi sed rate of basic excise duty of 30 paise on aerated waters (xi) G .S.R. 705(E) published in other than soda, sold in Gazette of India dated the glass bottles containing morc I st October, 1 9 84 together than 200 millilitres but not with an expanatory memo exceeding 250 millili tres. randum making certa in amendment to Notification No. J lO/84-CE dated the (xvi) G.S.R. 753(E) published in lIth May, 1984 so as to Gazette of India dated the make certain consequential 31st October, 1984 tosether change following the exemp with an explanatory memo tion granted to electricity. randum making certain amendment to Notification (~ii) G.S.R. 706(£) published in No. 147 i84 ·CE dated the Gazette of India datcd the 18th June, 1984 so as to 1st October, 1984 together exempt six mOre drug-inter with an explanatory memo mediates from the payment randum rescinding Notifica of central excise duty and to tio,n No. 51/78-CE, 52/78- withdraw the exemption ce, 53/78-CE dated the 1st granted to Acrylonitrile. March,1978, 105j78·CE and l06/78-CE dated the 27th (xvii) G.S.R. 757(E) published in April, 1978. Gazette of In~ia dated the t19 Papers taui JANUARY 18, 1985 Papers Laid 12.0 9th November, 1984 toge with an explanatory memo .. ther with an explanatOJ y randum regarding exemption memorandum regarding to solid fueJ briquettes exemption to specified excis manufactured from the agri able goods when cleared for cultural wastes from the display in Fair or Exhibition whole of the duty of excise in India from the whole of leviable thereon. duty of excise leviable thereon. (xxii) G.S.R. 810(E) published in Gazette of India dated the (xviii) G.S.R. 758(E) published in 5 th December, 1984 toge Gazette of India dated the ther with an explanatory 9th November, 1984 toge memorandum regarding ther with an expJantory exemption to polyvinyl chlo memorandum making certain ride films and sheets of thick amendment to Notification ness not exceeding 0.25 No. 10l)/~H-CE dated the millimetres and produced 24th April, J Y 81 so as tG , other than by extrusion pro make available the exemption cess from the duty of excise contained therein for a leviable thereon as is in period of five years from the excess of the amount caku date of first clearance of lated at the rate of twenty paper or paper board from per cent ad valorem. an eligible unit or from the date of publication of the said notification. (xxiii) G.S.R. 832(E) published in Gazette of Ind ia dated the 29th December, 1984 toge (xix) G.S.R. 768(E) published in ther with an explanatory Gazette of India dated the memorandum extending the 16th November, 1984 toge validity of Notification No. ther with an explanatory 234:'79-CE dated the 20th memorandum making certain July: 1979 upto 29th amendment to Notification February, 1985. No 74i78-CE dated the 1st Ma~ch , '1978 so as to exclude Zinc Oxide used as a pigmentl (xxiv~ G.S.R. 834(E) published in paint from the purview of Gazette of India dated the the said notification. 29th December, 1984 toge .. ther with an explanatory memorandum making certain G.S.R. 795(E) published in {xx) amendment to Notification Gazette of India dated the No. 36/84.. CE dated the 1st 29th November, 1984 toge March, 1984 so as to with ther with an explanatory draw the excise duty concess memorandum regarding ion which was available on exemption to raw naptha glass rods and glass tubes from the whole of the duty designed for use in the of excise leviable thereon manufacture of electric light subject to the condi ing bul bs by small scale units tions specified in the noti whose capital investment in fication. plant and machinery does not exceed Rupees 3 lakhs. (xxi) G.S R. 800(E) published in Gazette of India dated the (xxv) G.S.R. 835(E) published in 1st December, 1984 tOlether Gazette of India dated the i ~ 1 Papers taid PAtJ~A 28,1906 (SAKA) Papers, Laid 122 29th December, 1984 toge amendment to No tification ther with an expla natory No. 201 j79-CE dated the Memorandum seeking to 4th June, 1979 so as to invoke the provisions of sec delegate to Assi stant Collec tion 11 C of the Central ter, the Collector's power to Excises and Salt Act, 1 944 permit removal and return of in regard to payment of goods for purposes of tests, duties of excise on Zinc repairs refining, re-condition ingots used in the manufac ing or varying out any other ture of zinc dust which was operation necessary for the further used in the manufac manufacture of the goods ture of zinc u nwroght within sp.!cified in A ppendix to the the factory of production, said notification. during the period commen cing on the 1st August, 1976 [Placed in Library, See. No. LT-13/85] and ending with the 12th March, 1982. u~ \ A copy of the General lnsulance (Rationalisation and Revision of (xxvi) G.S.R. 836(E) published in Pay Scales and other Conditions) Gazette of India dated the of Service of Supervisory. Clerical :2 9th December, 1984 toge and Subordinate Staff) Amend ther with an explanatory ment Scheme, ] 984 (Hindi and memorandum seeking to English versions) published in invoke the prOVls]ons of Notification No. S.O. 729(E) in section 11 C of the Central Gazette of India dated the 21 st Excises and Salt Act, 1944 September, 1984 issued under in regard to payment of section 17 A of the General Insu dut ies of excise on shells and rance BU!'iness (Nationalisation) blanks of pipes and tubes of Act, ] 972. copper used in the factory of production in the manufac ture of cOpper pipes and (Placed in Library. See. NO.LT-14/85] tubes, exempted for certain purposes under Notification No. 169/83-CE dated the (9) ( i) A copy of the Annual 21st June, 1983 and 292/ Report (Hind i and English 83-CE dated the 17th versions) of the Life Insu December, 1983. rance Corporation of Ind~a for the year ended the 31st March, 1984 along with (xxvii) G.S.R. 837(E) published in A udited Accounts, under Gazette of India dated the section 29 of the Life Insu 31st December, 1984 toge rance Corporation Act, ther with an explanatory 1956. memorandum extending the validity of Notification No. 34j83-CE dated tbe 1st (ii) A statement (Hindi and March, 1983 up to 31st English varsi ODS) regarding December, 1985. Review by the Government on the working of the Life Insurance Corporal ion of (xxviii) G.S.R. 125 I pubbshed in India for the year ended the Gazette of India dated the 31st March, 1 984. 15th December, 1984 toge ther with an explanatory memorandum makins certain [Placed in Library, See. No. LT. 15 /8SJ 123 A ssent to hills JANUARY 18, 1985 (10) A statement (Hindi and English (3) The Copyright (Amendment) Bill, versions) on the results of the 1984. market loans floated in October and December, 1984. (4) The Family Courts Bill, 1984. [Placed in Library. See. No. LT-I6 85] J (5) The Taxation Laws (Amendment) Bill, 1984. Annual Report and Review on the \Yorking 2. I also lay on the Table copies, duly of Institute of Applied Man Power authenticated by the Secretary-General of Research, New Delhi for 1983-84 Rajya Sabha, of the following nineteen Bills passed by the Houses of Parliament THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE during the Fifteenth Session of Seventh MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K.R. Lok Sabha and assented to :- NARAYANAN) : I beg to lay on the Table: (l) The Electricity (Supply) Amend ment Bill, 1984. ( 1 ) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of P) The Industrial Disputes (Amend the Institute of Applied f\.1anpower ment) Bill, 1984. Research, New Delhi, for the year 1983-84 along with Audited (3) 1 he Multi-State Co-operative Accounts. Societies Bill, 1984. (2) A copy of the Review (H indi and (4) The Estate Duty (Amendment) English verions) by the Govern Bill, 1984. ment on the working of the Insti tute of Applied Manpower Rese (5) The Levy Sugar Price Equalisa arch, New Delhi, for the year tion Fund (Amendment) Bill, 1983-84. 1984. [Placed in Library. See. No. LT-l 7; 85] (6) The Hooghly Docking and Engi neering Company Limited (Acqui shioD and Transfer of Under takings) Bill, ] 984. 1~,09 brs. ( 7) The Constitution (Forty-seventh ASSENT TO BILLS Amendment) Bill, 1 984. [English] (8) The Constitution (Forty-eighth Amendment) Bill, 1984. SECRETAR Y -GENERAL: Sir, I Jay on the Table following five Bills passed by (9) The Bengal Immunity Company the Houses of Parliament during the Limited (Acquisition and Transfer Fift.oenth Session of Seventh Lok Sabha of Undertakings) Bill, 1984. and assented to :- (10) The Conservati on of Foreign Exchange and Prevention of (1) The Cinematograph (Amendment) Smuggling Activities (Amendment) Bill, 1984. Bill, 1984. (2, The University Grants Commis (11) The National Security (Second sion (Amendment) Bill, 1984. Amendment) Bill, 1984. 1 25 Committee 011 Public PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Panllel of Chairmell 126 Undjrtakiitgs (12) The Terrorist Affected Area..~ (ii) Ninety-ninth Report on Action (Special Courts) Bill, 1984. Taken by Government on the recommendations contained in (13) The Constitution (Forty-ninth their Eighty-eighth Report on Amendment) Bill, 1984. National Small Industries Corpo ration Ltd. (14) The Constitution (Fiftieth Amend ment) Bill, 1984. (iii) Hundredth Report on Action Taken by Government on the recommendations contained in (1 5) The Industrial Reconstruction their Ninety-fourth Report on Bank of India Bill, 1984. HMT Ltd. (Excluding Tractors Division). (16) The Dowry Prohibition (Amend ment) Bill, 1984. (iv) Hundred and First Report on Action Taken by Government on (1 7) The Banking Laws) (Amendment) the recommendations contained in BiIl.1984. their Ninety-fifth Report on Central Warehousing Corporation. (18) The Land Acquisition (Amend ment) Bi11, 1984. (] 9) The Wakf (Amendment) Bill, COMMITTEE ON PETITIONS 1984. Twenty-First Report 12.10 hrs. SECRETARY-GENERAL : I beg to lay on the Table Twenty-First Report (Hindi and English versions) of the COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC Committee on Petitjons (1984-85) UNDERT AKINGS (Seventh Lok Sabha) on the representa tion regarding working and development [English} of Kandla Free Trade Zone which was presented by the Chairman of Committee Ninety Eighth Report, Ninety-ninth to the Speaker of the Seventh lok :sabha Report, Hundredth Report and on the ~3rd November, 1984, before its Hundred and First Report d:"i,olution. SECRETARY-GENERAL: I beg to lay on the Table the following Reports 12.11 hrs. (Hindi and English versions) of the Committee on Public Undertakings (1984- PANEL OF CHAIRMEN 85) which were presented by the Chair man of the Committee to the Speaker of the Seventh Lok Sabha on the 19th [English] November; 1984 before its dissolution:- MR. SPEAKER: I have to inform the House that under Rule 9 of the Rules of (i) Ninety-eighth Report on Action Procedure, I have nominated the roHow Taken by Government on the ing Members as members of the Panel of recommendations contained in their Chairmen :- Ninety-seventh Report on Produ ctivity in Public Undertakings. 1, Shrimati Basavarajeswari l.l7 Demands for Excess JANUARY 18, 1985 Demands for Excess 128 Grants (General), 1982-83 Grants (Railways), 1982-83 2. Shri Zainul Basher 12.12 hrs. 3. Shri Sharad Shankar Digbe SUPPLEMENTARY DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (PUNJAB), 1984-85 4. Shri Vakkom Pllrushothaman [ Engli.slz} 5. Shri Somnath Rath THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 6. Shri Nissankara Rao Venkataratnam. MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANARDHANA POOJAR Y) : On behalf This is a panel of Chairmen who will of Shri Vishwanath Prarap Singh, I beg to be presiding over the proceedings of the present a statement (Hindi and English House and talking to you. versions) showing the Supplementury Demands for Grants in respect of the State of Punjab for 1984-85. SUPPLEMENTARY DEMANDS POR GRANTS (GENERAL), 1984-85 [English] SUPPLEMENTARY DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (RAILWAYS), 1984-85 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI [English} JANARDHANA POOJARY) : On behalf of SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS SINGH I beg to present a statement (Hindi anj English versions) showing the (SHRI BANSI LAL) : I beg to present a Supplementary Demands for Grants in statement (Hindi and Englisb versions) respect of the Budget (Gene ral) for showing the Supplementary Demands for 1984-85. Grants in respect of the Budget (Rai1ways) for 1984-85. DEMANDS FOR EXCESS GRANTS (GENERAL) 1982-83 DEMANDS FOR EXCESS GRANTS (RAILWAYS), 1982-83 [English] {EngibJh 7 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS JANARDHANA POOJARY): On (SHRI BANSI LAL) : I beg to pre~ent a behalf of Shri Vishwanath Pratap statement (Hindi and English versio .. s) Singh I beg to present a statement (Hindi and English versions) showing showing Demands for Excess Grants in Demands for Excess. Grants in respect of respect of Budget (Railwa~ s) for the Budget (General) for 1 982 - 8 3. 1982-83. --- 129 PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Statement Re : Tragic 130 Loss of Human and Animal life at Bhopal as a Result of leakage 0/ Poisonous Gas 12.13 IIrs. rushed to Bhopal. Dr. Varadarajan, Director General, Council of Scientific srATE~NT RE: TRAGIC LOSS OF and Industrial Research, and St.cretary HUMAN' AND ANIMAL LIFE AT to the Government of India, was assigned BHOPAL AS A RESULT OF LEAKAGE by the Government of India to coordinate OF POISONOUS GAS FROM all scientific efforts. A Coordination STORAGE TANKS OF THE UNION Committee was set up in the Government CARBIDE FACTORY THERE of India to deal with aU matters arising out of the ac.;ident. [English] 3. It was, decided, after examining various alternatives, that the safest COurse for neutralising the balance MIC was to THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS convert it into the end product, i.e. AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY Carbaryl pesticide. Elaborate precau AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI tionary measures were taken for performing VEERENDRA PATIL): It is with a this task and detailed plans were drawn deef) sense of anguish that I rise to make up by the concerneq State & Central this statement on the tragic accident that authorities, at a very high level. All occured in Bhopal on the night inter plants and equipments were got tested vening 2nd and 3rd December, 1984 due fOr reliability and necessary modifications to leakage of Methyl Isocyanate (MIC) made. Three specially equipped heli .. . gas from the factory of Mis. Union copters and two spray planes were kept Carbide. Because of the wind direction, ready for spraying water in the atmos the gas drifted towards thickly populated phere above the factory, should the need areas of the city. Persons affected by arise. A meteorological control rOom was the gas suffered eye irritation, cough, established for checking atmospheric breathlessness, nausea and choking conditions. The entire factory area was sensation. There was substantial loss of sealed off. Control rooms were set up human and animal life. The State and a hot-line tele-communication Government authorities took immediate between Delhi and Bhopal and wireless action to mobilise transport and medical system were also established. A list of personnel. Medical teams were des dos and don'ts was also prepared for patched for house to house visits to advising the public. render, on the spot, medical first-aid and to take the affected to hospitals. 4. The 'Operation Faith' for neutra Arrangements were made for free distri lising MIC commenced on tbe morning bution of food packets and milk. On of 16th December, 1984 when the Chief the very same day, the city water was Minister, Madhya Pradesh was also analysed for toxicity and was declared present in the plant and was completed to be safe. Scavenging teams were by 22nd December, 1984. The transfer organised to remove the carcasses of of MIC from the tank to the Carbaryl dead animals and affected areas disin plant was conducted only during the day fected to prevent outbreak of epidemics. time. There was a potential danger The Railway authorities took immediate throughout. However, on account of action t-o control all incoming trains to the untiring efforts of our scientists and Bhopal. the guidance given by them, the operation proved a complete success. 2. The Prime Minister and Minister 5. On 3 rd December itself, all medi for Chemicals and FertiJizers, visited cal personnel from Bhopal and neigh Bhopal on the 4 th and 5th December bouring districts were mobilised and 700 rC$pectively. Experts from various doctors were actively engaged in medical disciplines, including Medical, TechD.ieal operations; of them 200 were brought & / Environmental, were immediately from outside Bhopal. Eminent specia- 13l Statement Re : Tragic JANUARY 18, 19 8 ~ ~tatement Re : Tragic 132 Loss of Human and Animal life at Loss of Human and Animal life at Bm:pal as a Result of leakage of BhoR_al as a Result of leakage POIsonous Gas Poisonous Gas [Sbri Veerendra PatH] determined the long term effects, three lists, including anaesthetists and teams bad been sent from Indian Council ophtbaJamo)ogists as also medical stores of Medical Research and a team of and equipments such as oxygen cylinders toxicologists from Ministry of Agriculture were also sent from Delhi. Another bas also been deputed to determine the 1,200 paramedical staff was engaged for long term effects on human beings. treating patients in 21 hospitals and dispensaries and 12 additional temporary 9. The number of dead persons as ascertained so far by State Government dispensaries, round the clock. About is about 1408. The final figures are 1,70,000 persons, including 10,700 with being further verified by publishing lists serious ailments were treated in and out of these persons; the State Government side Bhopal. have also engaged the Tata Institute of 6. Immediately after the accident, Social Sciences, along with a few other the State Government announced ex institutions of social work, to do a house gr!ltia relief, the scale of which was to house survey for assessing casualities ' Rs. 10,000 per deceased person and other details. Rs. 2,000 for seriously affected indivi: 10. Immediately after the accident, duals and upto Rs. 1,000 for those the District Magistrate, Bhopal passed sustaining minor injuries. The distrihution orders under Section 144 of Criminal started from 4th December. A total f'rocedure Code to restrain the Union sum of Rs. 100.58 lakh has so far been Carbide from carrying out further disbursed. The State Government are production operations. The State distributing foodgrains at tbe rate of authorities registered a criminal case 12 kg. per family unit per month in under the Indian Panel Code against the affected areas. This facility has also plant authorities. The investigation of been extended to families living in Jhuggi this case, which was subsequently trans Jhonpar-pattis. An amount of Rs. 42 ferred to the CBI, is headed by an officer lakhs has been made available in cash of the rank of IG and assisted by techni and another approximately Rs. 55 lakhs cal personnel from Government of India throuah supply of edible oils and sugar The State Government have also set u~ to the State Government from Prime a Commission ' of 'Enquiry headed by Minister's Relief Fund. The Govern a Judge of the High Court and its terms ment of India has released a ways and of reference, inter-alia, cover investiga means advance of Rs. 5.00 crores to tion into the events and circumstances the State Government. of the accident, the adequacy of steps taken by the factory authorities, the 7. Air and plant foliage, including adequacy of safety measures and their vegatables and fruits, were also got implementation and recommendations in analysed and found to be free of any regard to measures for prevention of toxic contents. A multi-disciplinary s imiJar accidents in industries of this team of the Department of Environment, nature. The Inspectorate of Factories comprising of Botanists, Zoologists of the State has not renewed the factory Entomologists, Soil Microbioligists and licence of the factory beyond 31st Lbnnologists, in coordination with state December, 1984 and the factory is at authorities, is continuing to closely present dosed. The State authorities monitor any possible further change in have also issued a notice under the In the lIora and fauna, in pbase. secti"ides Act, 1968, to the Company for cancelling the manufacturing licence 12.17 lin. under the said Act. [SBltl SHARAD DIGBE in the chair] t 1. The Government of India in 8. To study tbe symptoms apd to consultation witb the State Govemment is 133 Statemmt Re : Tragic PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Statement reo payment 0/ 134 Loss of Human and Animal life at D.A. to Central Employees Bhopal as a Result 0/ leakage of and Dearness Relief to Paisonous Gas pensioners considering various options available for be necessary to avoid the recurrence of obtaining adequate compensation for such accidents, and to ensure fair com the victitns of the gas tragedy and reco pensation for those who have been affect very of expenses incurred by Government. ed by the tragedy. In this immense task, For this purpose, a legal cell has been I am sure that effective participation by established in the Ministry of Law, A the Members of this House, will be final decision in this regard is expected readily forthcoming. to be taken after the return of the Attor ney General who has gone to USA to SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE eonsult American lawyers. (panskura) : This is a tongue-in-the cheek statement. That is why we had 12. The Ministry of Labour have tabled an Adjournment Motion. I had advised all State administrations to been to Bhopal only day before yesterday undertake a thorough review of the exist and I saw what had happened., What ing rules and regulations under the be has said in the statement is wide of Factories Act and its implementation, the mark ...... (Interruption). particularly with reference -to industries using hazardous operations and processes MR. CHAIRMAN: YilU cannot put including highly toxic substances. any question after the statement. I am 13. Government have already decided not going to allow any question now. to set up a special cell to make a detailed study of the practices in vogue in deve loped countries for dealing with hazardous substances aud the institutional controls 12.22 hrs. in force, to ensure safety for man and environment. Based on these studies, STATEMENT re: PAYMENT OF it will be possible to make a detailed INSTALMENT OF DEARNESS ALLO review of the existing systems and practi WANCE TO CENTRAL. GOVERN ces to identify gaps in the prevailing MENT EMPLOYEES AND DEARNESS legislative and institutional arrangements RELIEF TO PENSIONERS INCLUDING in our country and take suitable steps FAMILY PENSIONERS for streamlining or strengthening such arrangements. [Eng/i&h] 14. Government is also considering THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the setting up of a National Scientific MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI and Medical Committee for a coordinated JANARDHANA POOJARY): Accor study on the effects of toxic gas leakage ding to the existing scheme payment of on live systems and to give authoritative an instalment of Dearness Allowance to opinion about appropriate steps that need Central Government employees is to be taken on the medical and scientific taken up for consideration after every level. eight point increase in the 12-monthly average of the All India Average Consu 15. I am sure all the members will mer Price Index for Industrial Workers join me in expressing sympathy of this (base 1960-100). The last instalment House to those who have suffered from of Dearness Allowance was sanctioned on this tragedy. Immodiately on assumiog 15.9.1984 with effect from 1.6.1984 charge as Minister for Cbemicals & . with reference to the average index of FertilizeJ'B, I visited Bhopal aad had 552 points. SinCe then, payment of two detailed discussions with tho State more instalments of Dearnesss AUowance Government officials. I would like to with effect from 1.8.1984 and 1.11.1984 assure the House that Government is respectively have become due for consi firmly resolved to take such steps as may deration. 135 BJl6iness 01 the House JANUARY 1 8, 1985 Busine$S oj tlte Hmue 136 [Shri Janardhan Poojari] (b) The Foreign Contribution 2. Government have now decided to (Regulation) Amendment pay these two instalments of Dearness Bill, 1985. Allowance to the Central Government employees in cash along with the salary (c) The Calcutta Metro Railway of January, 1985. Orders in this _behalf (Operation and Maintenance) will be issued by the Ministry of Finance Temporary Provisions Bill. soon. 1985. 3. Along with ihe payment of Dear 3. Discussion and voting on : ness Allowance to the serving Central Government employees, Dearness Relief (a) Supplementary Demads for to pensioners including family pensioners Grants (Genera)) for is also sanctioned. Government have 1984-85. also decided io sanction two instalments of Dearness ReJief to the pensioners wit h (b) Demands for Excess Grants effect from 1.8.1984 and 1.11.1984. (Greneral for 1982.. 83. Orders in this regard will also be issued by the Ministry of Finance soon. (C) Supplementary Demands for Grants (Railways) for 4. The financial burden on the Exche 1984-85. qure during the current year as a result of payment of two instalments of Dear (d) Demands for Excess Grants ness Allowance would approximately be (Railyways) for 1982-83. Rs. 64.1 7 crOres and on account of Dearness Relief to the pensioners would (e) Supplementary Demands for approximately be Rs. 7. 33 crores, Grants for the State of Punjab for 1984-85. 4. Consideration and passing of the 12.23 hrs. fo1Jowing Bills, as passed by Rajya Sabha: BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE (a) The General Insurance Busi- [English] ness (Nationalisation) Amendment Bill, 1985. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN TARY AFFAIRS (SHRI H.K.L. BHA (b) The National Capital Region GA T) : With your permission, Sir, I Planning Board Bill; 1985. rise to announce that Government Busi ness in this House during the week com (c) The Sugar Undertakings meacing 21 st January, 1985, wiJ) consist of: (Taking Over of Manage ment) Amendment Bill, 1985. 1. Discussion on tbe Motion of Thanks on tbe President's Ad dress. (d) The Gangtok Municipal Cor poration (Amendment) Bill, 2. Consideration and passing of : 1985. (a> The Representation of tbe s. Consideration and passing of the Pe~ple (Amendment) Bill, Adlllinistrative Tribunal Bill. 1985. 198~' J37 Business of the House PAUSA 28,1906 (SAKA) Bus_,iness of the House 138 PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE am allowing the bon" Members to make (Raja pur) : Sir, I would like to them. . suggest the following items to be included for next week's business. SHRI 0.0. SWELL: I would like ( 1 J Discussion on the statement by this pOint to made clear as to how sub the Minister for Chemicals and missions can be made •.. ()nterruptionsj Fertilizers on the tragic accident in the Union Carbide Plant at PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: I am Bhopal. not yielding. If he repeats like this ... rInterruptions) (2) Discussion on the intrusion of Lankan Naval boat into Indian SHRI 0.0. SWELL: I want this territory, killing Indian fisher pOint to be made clear. men. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baramutla): MR. CHAIRMAN: There is no point Sir, I wouJd ]ike the fonowing subject to of order. The business is in order. The be discussed next week. hon Member is on his legs. Please resume your seat. EJection Jaw is deficient in many ways and it is the need of the hour that Parlia SHRI G G,. SWELL: I would like ment pays attention to it. While election simple answer. procedure bas been eKplained in the Manual and other rules there are loopholes which can jeopardise the very purpose for MR. CHAIRMAN Kindly resume which the elections are held. The Elec your seat. tion Law does not requie marginal changes. but a drastic revision. The law needs to be simplified and nothing should SHRI G.O. SWELL: I want a simple be left to the vagaries of a returning aBswer; nothing else. When the List of officer or a Presiding Officer. I t is very Business for the Next Week is announced, strange that no qualifications stand pres can we make submissions? cribed for appointment of a Returning Officer or a Presiding Officer. Th~ Presi MR. CHAIRMAN: He is reading \ ding Officer carrries a great responsibility, the draft which bas been approved by the but there is no check on the appointment of people of doubtful character and Speaker. incompetence as Presiding Officers. PROF. SA1FUDDIN SOZ: He might SHRI G.G. SWELL (ShiJlong) have been in the Lok Sabha some years Sir. on a point of order. I ",:ould like back. but this is the procedure now. to know what is going on in t he House. We are discussing the List of Business for SHRI G.G. SWELL: What kind of the next week, alternative proposals or order is it ..• (Interruptions) additions to be made, and here the hon. Member makes a speech on the election PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Sir, why law. I would like to know what is going should he interrupt me? You must in the House. What is the order in the admonish him. He must be admonished House? Mr. Chairman, will you kindly by the Speaker. 1 do not know ~hy ... give a rl;lling 2 (Interruptions) (Intert'lfptlons ) MR. CHAIRMAN: These submissions MR. CHAIRMAN: I have allowed have beeD apprp¥ed by the Speaker. I you to speak. 139. BusineaG of the House JANUARY 18, 1985 Business 01 the Bo~ 140 PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: You be challenged in Courts only and Election admonish bim for making this interrup Commission itself can do nothing but tion. He must learn to .. .r Interrt.ptions} watch the situation helplessly. This The next time he does it ... (Interruptions) kind of defective law has to be scrappped. SHRI O.G. SWELL: I do not care. AN HON. MEMBER: Sir, I want to make a submission. MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Member MR. CHAIRMAN: No submission has a point of order, w bicb he raised. I except those which have been accepted by bave ruled it out. the Speaker. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: This is [Translation] a draft, which bas been approved by the Speaker. He does not know it. SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, tbe entire populace of MR. CHAIRMAN: Why do you India has already recognised late Prime discuss it '1 Please go 00. Minister, Shrimati Indira Gandhi, as the 'Mother of the Nation', from the core of PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Since he their hearts. The Parliament has to has. interrupted me, 1 will read it afresh. accept this verdict of the people. A This is very important. motion to this effect may be listed for dis cussion in the business for the next week. Sir, I would like the following subject [English] to be discussed next week : SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI Election law is deficient in many ways (Bhubaneswar, : I beg to make the and it is need of the hour that the Parlia following submission for inclusion in the ment pays attention to it. While election next week's business of the House: procedure bas been explained in the manual and other rules, there are loop Very serious drought conditions in boles which can jeopardise the very pur.. Orissa since September. 1984 had caused pose for which the elections are held. The large-scale crop loss in 7.83 1akh hectares Election Law does not require marginal in 138 blocks of the State, including changes but a drastic revision. The law Bhubaneswar, Khurda and Nayagarb needs to be simplified and nothing should sub-divisions affecting and causing wides be left to the vagaries of a returning pread misery to a population of over Officer or a Presiding Officer. It is very fiflyfive lakhs. Earlier, standing crops strange that no qualifications stand in 4.1 9 lakh hectares were also damaged prescribed for appointment of a Return by floods The Central Government ing Officer or a Presiding Officer. The should come in a big way to the assistance Presiding Officer carries a great responsi of millions of drought-affected people of bility, but there is no check on the the State immediately. I urge upon the appointment of people of doubtful Government to include this urgent matter character and incompetence as Presiding in t)1e agenda for the nex week's business The law does not even specifi Officers. in the House. cally provide that the contesting candi dates can heve the list of Presiding Officers before the date of polling yet the SURI S.M. BHAITAM (Visakba.. candidates have'bceo given the risht to patnam): Sir, I would like the following cballeDIC the appointment of nearest rela to be discussed next week : tives of a rival candidate as Presiding ()fticcrs. The Returnina Officers possess Article 7 S( 4 ) of the Constitution vast powet'I to tako decisions which caa requires a Minister to take oath-of office 141 Business of the Holl'Sl! PBUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Statment giving reasons 142 for Immediate Legislation by the respresentation of the People (Amdt.) Ordinance, 1984 and of secrecv according to the terms 'Set Mr. CHAIRMAN : Reg8rding the out for the purpose in the 3rd Schedule. suggestions of everyl)ody, the han. Minister says that they will be discussed (lnterraption)** in the Business Advisory Committee Is MR. CHAIRMAN! Do not make state that so 1 • ments. Read only tbe approved draft. That part which has not been approved SHRI H.K. L. BHAGAT: Yes, Sir. wiIJ not go on record. SHRI S. M. BHATTAM : This was not done in respect of the members 12.35 brs. of the Cabinet. All the Ministers jointly and collectively seem to have taken REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE an oath, which is not in conformity with (AMENDMENT) BILL- the Constitutional requirements. This would ultimately mean that the Ministers [Engtish} constituting the present Cabinet have not taken oath in terms of the Article 75 (4 )~ THE MINISTER OF LAW AND which would mean that they have nO JUSTICE (SHRI A.K. SEN) : Sir, I constitutional and legal authority and beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill right to assume and perform the functions further to amend the Representation of of a Minister. This House, therefore, is the People Act, 1951. constra ined to take the strictly legal and constitutional view of what is reported as MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is : a eollective and mass scale oath taking which is neither visualised under the "That leave be granted to introduce a Constitution, nor sanctioned and approved Bill further to amend the Repre by it. sentation of the People Act, 19 51.~~ I raise this important, grave and urgent matter of pubHc importance inas much The motion was adopted. as the technically legally valid Govern· SHRI A.K. SEN: Sir, I introduce ment constituted as per the spirit and the Bill. requirements of the Constitution is not obtaining in this country to tran5'act the business of the Government, much more STATEMENT GIVING REASONS FOR so the business of the August House. IMMEDIATE LEGISLATION BY THE THB MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOpLE TARY AFFAIRS (SHRI H K. L. (AMENDMENT) ORDINANCE, 1984 BHAGAT): Sir, I have listened to all the submissions made to the Chair regar [English] ding the business for the next week THE MINISTER OF LAWAND Commencing from 21 st These are for JUSTICE (SHRI A.It. SEN): Sir, I consideration of the Business Advisory beg to lay on the Table an explanatory Committee When it meets, these statement (Hindi and English versions) matters will be placed before it and they giving reasons for immediate legislation by will go into that question. I will inform the Representation of the People (Amend the Ministers concerned also. ment) Ordinance, 1984. SHRI S.M BHATTAM: I did not get him. Sir• ••Not recorded . • Pub\isbed in Gazette of India Extraordinary Part-II Section 2 dated 18.1.1985. 141 Statment givi",. reasons for JANUAR.Y '18, 1985 144 Immediate legislation by the Calcutta Metro Railway 12.36 hrs. 12.37 brs. CALCUTTA METRO RAILWAY MOTION OF THANKS ON THE (OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE) PRESIDENrS ADDRESS TEMPORARY PROVISIONS BILL. [Engli,h] THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS MR. CHAIRMAN; Now, Prof. Ranga (SHRI BANSI LAL) : Sir~ I beg to move will move the motion. for leave to introduce a BiB to make temporary provisions for the operation and maintenance of the Calcutta metro PROF. N.G. RANOA (Guntur) : railway and for matters connected there. May I make a suggestion that we might with, pending the making of regular adjourn now and meet at 20 minutes to arrangements for such operation and two O"cJock ? After Lunch hour we may maintenance • take up this debate in the House. We can now adjourn for one hour for Lunch MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is : and after one hour when we re-assemble, we can take up this motion. 'C'Tbat leave be granted to introduce a Bill to make temporary provi sions for the operation and SHR I S. M. BHATT AM (Visakha maintenance of the Calcutta patnam) : It is unusual and unheard of. metro railway and for matters connected therewith, pending the ( Interruptions) making the regular arrangements for such operation and mainte MR. CHAIRMAN: Better go OD. nance." The motion was adopted. (Interruptions) SHRI BANSI LAL: S iri, I introduce MR. CHAIRMAN; You may go on. the Bill. There are still 20 ~Jnutes to go, PROF. N.G. RANGA : Let us have a STATEMENT GIVING REASONS FOR fuller House for this debate. IMMEDIATE LEGISLATION BY THE CALCUTTA METRO RAILWAY SHRI SUDINI JAIPAL REDDY (OPERATION AND MAINTE~ NANCE) TEMPORARY PROVISIONS ORDI- (Mahbubnagar) : You. may start now and NANCE, 1984 resume after the House re.assembles. [English] ( Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS PROF. N.G. RANOA: Mr. Chairman SHlU BANSI LAL : Sir, I beg to lay on Sir, I have great pleasure in moving this the Table an explanatory statement motion which stands in my name. (Hindi and English versions) giving reasons fOT immediate legislation by the Calcutta Metro Railway (Operation and Sir, I beg to move : Maintenance) Temporary Provisions Ordinance. 1984. "That an Address be presented to tbe President in the following terms: * Published in Gautte of India Extraordinary Part-II section 2 dated 18.1.15. 145 Motion of Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) President~ s Address 146 "'That the Membecs of Lok Sabh~ Hfe, he has been able to report progress assembled in this Session are on the international front as well as 00 deeply grateful to the President the home front. Then, progress does not for the Address which he has mean the achievement of all t he objectives ~en pleased to deliver to both that we have placed before ourselves. Houses of Parliament assembled There are bound to be shortfalls there together on tile 17th January, and there have been some shortfalls. But 1985. n nevertheless we wish to go ahead and the nation has given its approval to the Sir, I would like to extend my welcome manner in which the Governmen t bas to the serried ranks of the new Members been carried on at tbe Centre after the who have c orne into this House and I period of three years under the Janata rule wish to express my regret that quite a and during the pa st five years also during large number of those old friends of whkb Indiraj i was the Prime Minister ours who have made their great contri tbat is after she was returned by the bution to the debates of this House have people to be the Prime Minister after her not found it possible to come back and three years of life outside Parliament it is not my intention to make any I mean, outside as wei! as inside Parlia inviduous distinction, but I do miss ment. You all know, how Indiraji was specially myoId friend, Indrajit Gupta, treated by Parliament itself. But she was who has been in this House for a very such good parJIamentarian, tbat she iong time and who has been making very accepted the decision, the dictates of constructive contribution to the debates Parliament here and then vacated her of the House. seat. And thereafter she made her appeal to the people and was for tunate enough SHRI SUDINI JAIPAL REDDY: to come back again into power with a Mr. Indrajit Gupta is back again. He is huge majority behind her and provided not in the House but he is returned to national leadership for those five years. the House. Let Peof. Ranga know this. And now we have a new regime under PROF. N,G. RANGA : He is absent the present Prime Minister and in this now. And I had missed him for the last regime ,ve are now exhorted not only to three days I do not know what has go along the path that has been chosen happened I hope he would surely be and the policy that has been adopted by able to come back to us. Parliament during the past but also to look to the future and think of future Old or new, we all make one House. programmes. And with regard to that, As it is used to be said in England where this Government has a plan and a pro we have a mother of Pa rliaments, Parlia gramme placed before our ParJiament ment is something like a club without which is progressive according to me and drinks without the other paraphrenalia which would lead us towards prosperity which they have in the West. But that means also. To think of future in a bold way that to whichever political Party we may for a Government which is charged witb belong we should settle down to become the responsib:lity of the administration is friends and develop bonhomie so that no indeed an essential duty. bitterness should be caused by any temporary frayed tempers that may come to But what is that future to be ? Are we be displayed in the House and they would to be a poor country? No, Sir. Are we be able to serve the cause of the country to be loaded and burdened with poverty to the best of their ability and their likes. all the time 1 No. Are we not to try our best to relieve our country from poverty I am very glad indeed that the as much as possible? Yes And that is President has been able to make a very why this Government is wedded to the good report to the nation through his 20-point programme. That is why this spXC'l. On every Croot at our national Govemment is Dot only wedded to the 147 Motion of Thanks' on JANUARY 18, 1985 President's Address 148 [Prof. N.G. Ranga] have got to keep these two things'to 20-point programme as it was given to us gether, one the population control and by Indiraji, but also it wishes to expand the other the control over slums and the it and develop it further into new fields clearance of slums. In addition to these so that we would be able to have a more two things, we should also have a housing comprehensive attack on poverty. po) icy. If these three things are taken up together, it would be a very useful tbing indeed and a very constructive attack on Would poverty go within one year or the problem of poverty. within five years or within a short time ? The answer has been, no. That answer We also find quite a number of amend has been given not only by Indiraji but ments in regard to farmers and agriculture. also by all of us. No one would be able The President has also told us how we to get rid of poverty in such a short time have made tremendous progress in agricu through Government efforts alone. The tural production. 150 million tonnes a people will ·have to make their owo year is not a small quantity. It has not efforts also. Government will have to been achieved till now. It has never been aid them. They will have to cooperate achieved during the whole period of with one another not only at thc Central planned development. We hope to im level but also at the State level so that pove it further. it will be possible for us to make rapid progress. The President has been good enough to pay a very high tribute to the spirit of Now, if you look to the various enterprise, to the spirit of cooperation, amendments that are tabled here, you will and the hard work that has been contri find that the peopJe are asking for various buted by our farmers. This could not have things which ha ve already been taken up been possible if earHer proposals that by the Government in regard to agricul came from the Planning Commission had ture, in regard to removal of poverty, in been adopted. If the Parliament had not regard to the improvement of rural in its wisdom brought about a compro conditions, the rural people, the urban mise between the Planning Commission's ~ople, the semi-urban people and plans and the farmers' demands, this various other sections of our people a1so. could Dot have been achieved. There was What we have been doing, as I hav~ a time when an effort was being made to already said. is not enough. Therefore, cooperativise agriculture, to collectivise I suggest that there should be a national agricu1ture, in an indirect manner. But housing policy, a national policy for the the Parliament saw to it that it was not removal of slums and a national policy adopted, As a result of that compromise, for the control of population which we more than 100 million farmers in this already have but it has got to be further country are today self.emp]oyed, indepen developed so that it would not be necessary dent, free, owing their own small holdings, for our cities to go on having more and cultivating their own ho1dings, finding more slums, ever fresh slums, as and their employment there and free also to when the people go on growing in their produce their food grains and various numbers even though earlier slums are other crops, market them and to live their being removed. own self.employed independent lives. That is the power of Parliament and it A herculean effort was made in Madras is to that Parliament that Indiraji had by the DMK Party and later on by the paid her homage and it is that Parliament AIADMK Party to remove slums from to which all the members, new members as the sea-~ide, from the Madras city. What well as old members, have returned. is the result? Fresh and new slums have grown and are growing. That is the case Then there are agricultural workers. jo every other city also. Therefore, we We wanted minimum wages for .them. 149 Motion 0/ Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 150 Government has adopted the policy. The got to be taken up by both the Govern legislation for minimum wages has to be ments, Provincial and Central. implemented. The Government of India has agreed to reduce the period of enquiry from three years to one year as is Many of our friends have tabled here the case with industrial workers also. I amendments in regard to more and more am happy about it. But it has got to powers for the States. The States have be implemented. I t can be implemented got to use the powers that they have been only by the State Governments. given now. in order to provide protection All that the Government of India can in the direction that I have suggested. do is to land its good offices. I hope that the Government of India will be able There is no fire insurance for the to do that in the following years so that agricultural workers. Every summer, agricultural workers would also be pro thousands and thousands of agricultural tected. workers' huts and hovels come' to be con sumed by outbreaks of fire. No protection Crop insurances are needed. Minimum is given. Only nominal grants are being of insurances are needed. Some efforts given by the Collectors in the States in are being made by some states. The their local ateas. But that does not go policy is being accepted already by the anywhere at all. Therefore, we want these Government of India. It has got to be three insurances to be taken up. For that, implemented. The initiative in this regard a national policy has got to be worked has to be taken by the State Govern out, not by the Union Government alone ments. but by the Union Government and by the State Governments together. They Some of the State Governments like will have to work it up so that there the Maharashtra Government and Bihar would be proper cooperation in regard to Government also have taken up the ques sanction of adequate funds and coordi tion of insurance for unemployment, for nation of work and only then these peopJe at least one adult member in every family. would be protected properly. That policy has got to be universalised for the whole of India through the good offices of the Government of India But Then there are industrial workers as well as agricultural workers. I am very then Government of India can only offer its good offices. The initiative has got to glad indeed the President has paid a tri be taken by the State Governments and bute to the industrial workers for having funds also will have to be found by the maintained industrial peace. The Presi dent has paid a tribute to the industrial State Governments. Government of India enterpreneufs also in this regard. This has can certainly help them and aid them. been made possible because of the accep tance of the policy of tripartite settlements Similarly. cattle insurance has got to and I hope it would become more and be organised for certain sections of cattle more effective and mOre and more univer breeders. Cattle insurance is being provi salised also. But that will not be enough. ded partially. But it is not universalised The agricultural workers also have to be as yet. protected in a similar manner through tripartite agreements. The Payment of Wages Act is not being enforced at Cattle insurance, crop insurance and present in regard to payment of wages so also fire insurance has got to be imple far as the agricul tural workers are concer.. mented. So far as the cities are con ned. There are many areas in Our country cerned, there is fire fighting machinery where the agricultural workers do not and equipment. It is true that it is not find any kind of protection from the local .enough. Yet, it is there. But, so far as landlords. Even some companies are the villages are concerned, not much of a entering into the field of agriculture now beginning bas been made. This also has and they also fail to pay the wages of the 151 Motion 0/ Thanks '011 JANUARY IS , f98S Presldentfs Adtlress 152 [Prof. N. G. Ranga J and heJp them in chalking out a concerted ~gricu1tmal workers- in time. Take, for policy or belping these people and assist mstance, the sugar-cane growers them ing them. selves. They have not been paid their wage& and cane prices (or two to three Then tbere is the cooperative move years in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. Crores ment; it has got to be democratised .. and crores of rupees are in arrears. So is !here is the panchayat movement also; the case in Andbra Pradesh also. All such It has also got to be democratised. They sectors in social life have got to be pro have to be radicalJy reorganized also. At tected from all malpractices through the present the State Governments in their proper enfo.rcement of Payment of Wages sphere and the Union Government also in Act .. its own re1evant sphere take powe into theiri OWn hands to nominate peorplea& Then there are workers in cottage Chairman, as Sarpanch. This power has industry. We have adopted the policy of to be removed. Elections are also being according protection to the workers in the rigged and mismanaged Now thought has cottage industry. Government of India got to be given to the plan that was bas been paying huge sums for giving suggested by me as weJl as Shri Jaya.. protection to the workers in cott age and prakash Naratyan to keep these organiza khadi industries tl:Jrough the opening of tions out of he control, out of the ken p emporia all over India for the pr.ydllcts of of these pOlitical parties and their mutual cottage and khadi industries. It is good. rivalry If you leave it to one-vote majo But, at the same time, there are so many rity. there would be trouble, and there has been trouble in many States. Therefore other workers a)so, not less than 60 " million people, if not more, those who some thought has got to be given to the are self-employed; they sell vegetables, ancient practice of choosing the leader by they carry all kinds of things They render drawing lots from out of a panel of ebc all kinds of services to the so::iety as a ted members. Then there would be a whole, all by themselves either as indivi marriage between democratic method as duals or as families. They have to be weI1 as the ancient Indian method of protected and they can be protected by drawing lots. If some effort is made in the offering of easy credit to them and in that way, we can free our villages, and various other ways also Thought has OlIr cooperatives and cooperators from the got to be given as to hJw, in what menace of factionalism, groupism, caste manner and to what extent these people ism and various other kinds of malignant can be protected. That too has got to be social ills that we are suffering from. taken up by the Planning Commission in a very serious manner. Tl ue the Plan.. ning Commission has accepted the sugges I must pay a tribute to one good old tion made by some of us in regard to the friend of mine who also happens to be in need for protecting the self-employed this House, that is, Mr. Anjiah For people. But, till now, they have paid twelve long years we ne\o-er had any elec attention only to those self-employed tions either for panchayats or for coopera people who are highly educated, who have tives; during his regime elections were taken their degrees, B.A.s. M A.s., engi held for them peacefully. neers and so OD. They are only a fringe, a tiny minority among the huge mass of self.. employed people, Among the self MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Member employed peOple, women are more in will continue after lunch. The House number and they have to 1M protected. stands adjourned for lunch. We shall meet No State Government has, so far, taken again at 2 O~ clock. up this particular aspect of planning and removal of poverty. It is high time DOW The Lok Sabha then adjourned for (or tbe Government of India to give lunch till Fourteen of the Clock. Ie adersbip to all the State Governments 153 Motion of Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 1 S4 The Lok Sabha re-assembled after have made some experiments in tbis lunch at Three minutes past Four direction. teen of the Clock. It is high time that the PJanning Com [SHRI ZAINUL BASHER in the Chair] mi5sion be reorganised and charged with preparing new plans for further develOp. ment. MOTION OF THANKS ON THE PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS-Conld. Sir, I congratulate the Government on the contribution that they have made in [English] regard to scientific development in our country in various directions. The latest MR. CHAIRMAN: Prof. Ranga to is goil,lg to be 'Anuradha'. Earlier we had continue his speech. 'Rohini', Here, I think, we are first almost in the whole of Asia-possibly amongst all the non· aligned countries. PROF. N.G. RANOA: I would like to add to what I have said in the morning my tribute to the Agricultural Scientists Sir, then there is a question of infra who have done their best to help our structure Our roads are in a bad condi farmers to produce as much as 150 ti('n They are mainly under the control million tonnes of foodgrains during last of Sta tes. The States are not playing their year. They have done excellent work and role a" well as they should. The States I would like them further strengthened. have their own legislatures to control them and er.ergise them. In addition Centre has to play its own role by en I have a word of warning to be given couraging them and aiding them also to Parliament in regard to the Planning financially. Until and unless these roads Commission. My experience of the Plan and rai1ways are developed especially in ning Commission has not been uniformly the North-East frontier and als() in west happy. Not many new schemes or sugges and other backward areas it would not be tions have ever emanated from them, possihle for the fruits of our agricultural There is, for instance, the questiOn of the feliearch and industrial development to natural disasters that overtake this country reach the masses in our country. from time to time. Almost every year, some part of the country or the other suffers either from frost or from landsli Then there is the question of adminis des or drought or cyclones or floods and tration also The success of all these so on Yet, till now they h lve not taken plans d~pend on the efficiency, loyalty, proper notice of the sugges7·0.1 that I have honesty and the integrity with which ad made to them as well as to the FAO and ministratbn cooperates with the Govern other international organisations, that ment. As you all know Cabinet ministers there should be an international insurance are there everywhere-good, bad and fund. At the national level also there indifferent and excellent also-but they should be a national insurance fund as depend on the cooperation of these peo also at the State level Unless there is an ple mostly rf)r the implementation of insurance fund against these natural their plans If today Indiraji's wonderful disasters, neither crop insurance nor a plans for rural development, for social cattle insurance can succeed fully. We development have not achieved the targets have to jnsUf! farmers against these pests that were set by her, it is mostly because which affect our crops from time to time. of the failure of the administration to No effort bas so far been made bv them cooperate with the Cabinet at the Centre to prepare any such scheme It goes to as weH as at tbe State level. At tbe same the credit of a few States like Kerala, time, I would like to sound a note of West Bengal, Maharashtra and Bihar who warning It is never good for any Cabinet 1 S S Motion of Thanks on JANUARY 18, 1985 President's A.ddress 1 56 [Prof. N. G. Ranga] any trouble at an against the Harijans to quarrel with the administration. If you or backward classes, wherever atroci. quarrel with your instruments then you ties were perpetrated against any of these will not run the show. There should be sections of the people, Indiraji was there cooperation and coordination between the first to rush to their aid, to give tbem administration on the one side and the succour and to give them encouragement. Government on the other and that is why It is in that direction that a verittll)le I welcome the new move that is being revolution bas been engineered in our made on the inspiration of our Prime country and it is still going on. If today Minister to re-vamp the administration 400 people have come to be returned and help the administration to develop here to tbis House, it is because Congress that sense of cooperation with the has been transformed from those days of Government and the Cabinet. the intellectuals ; later on there were the days of the upper middle classes and tben the middle classes. Now it is the prole Sir, at tbe same time their service con tarians of the country, rural as well as ditions have got to be improved. They urban proletarians who were socially have to be given every possible encou submerged and pulverised. These people ragement. They should not be treated as have been awakened. Today they bail the if they are mere servants. They should Congress as their revolutionary cham"ion not be suspected all the time. You have and it is because of the revolutionary to take them at their word and if there championship of the Congress that all are insufficient officers, then certainly take these Members here have been able to action but let us not start with suspicion come. and a derogatory attitude towards ad ministration. Several States have burnt I am glad that the Prime Minister and their fingers on this in the North as well the President have paid special attention as in tbe South. Therefore, I hope that to their needs by these various schemes better counsel will prevail between the that they have already inaugurated and Cabinet and the administration. other schemes that they propose to take up. You have got them here. NREP, Sir, I wish to congratulate-although RLEGP and various other things also. it is too late to congratulate-and I wish But then should not the people also be to pay my tribute to Indiraji for having expected to cooperate in making these engineered a varitable social revolution schemes a success ? At one time when in this country. Agriculture has made lawaharlal ji was tber'e at the head of the progress. The workers are also being paid Government, we organised what was higher wages but it is not these things known as Bharat Sewak Samaj in order which would matter much. Our history to get 5 O~, contribution from the people has pushed down tens of millions of Our for the construction of local roads and people in our country as backward classes, other communications, bridges, social as Harijans, as Tribals and other helpless development and so on. Unfortunately, 'people. not much has been dOne in that direction in recent years. There were the Students~ Social Organisations-ACe, NeC and These people have to be given a hope, various other organisations also. AU a spur. That was done by Indiraji. these have got to be encourged and Earlier it was done by many social brought into the mainstream and helped reformers right down to Anna ji and E.V. to bring these depressed people into the Ramaswamy Naicker there in the soulh. mainstream. It is only then that we can Here in the north also there were the make real progress, as much progress as Arya Samaj people and various, people we want, as much progress as is envisaged among the Muslims. But they did not have by the President. control over administration. Indiraji came ~ to have control over the administration I now come to the international ques.. for the whole of India, Wherever there was tion. I am sorry that the Indian ocean is 157 Motion of Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 158 not free and peaceful. I am also sorry during the last five years, and the testi that there is no safety at all from the mony of this is that this Government has nuclear powers. Where is the guarantee been able to get massive mandate from of any kind of a peace for anybody '1 the people. My only regret is that Indiraji The only guarantee has been forged by is not here to see bow our people have the ndnaligned movement. This was acclaimed the administration, the best conceived and developed by so many of possible administration we have achieved us as non-officials ; it was later on during the last 35 years of independence developed into an international instru of this country. ment, an instrument of peace by Jowaharlal ji. It has been accepted nOw (Translationj over the whole of the world. Americans SHRI B.R. BHAGAT (Arrah) : Mr. who decried it once have now accepted Chairman. Sir, the hon'ble President has it, Russians who were suspicious in the stated in his Address that 1984 was a beginning have now come to accept it and year of crisis and of test. What else could acelaim it. Today it is the only guarantee be a greater national misfortune than the and its handle is placed in the hands of toss of our most beloved national leader, lnd!a. There was Indira ji's consistent Shrimati Indira Gandhi during that year. leadership. Now it comes into the hands of our own present Prime Minister. They stand by this non-aligned movement. I The Session of Eighth Lok Sabha has congratulate them and I congratulate commenced. During the Seventh Lok myself also and the other members of Sabha, the atmosphere was that of con this House for having been responsible frontation. In a Parliamentary democracy, for developin& the greatest instrument and the Oppoc;ition and the Government have a weapon .of peace, to assure the people of certain role to play but that roJe is played the world, for some time at least of peace in an atmosphere of cooperation. The on this earth and safety from that terrible Opposition has to criticise in a construc weapon of nuclear power. tive manner, only then Parliament is able to accomplish its objectives and dis charge its fundamental duties. If we Finally, I wish to pay my tribute to recall the atmosphere in which Indiraji the present Government as well as the was assossinated \\ [Shri B. R. Bhagat] so that no one dare to weaken our coun. I had the good fortune of carrying try. Thus, the people of our country her last letter to the Seminar organised by have voted for upholding the unity and the United Natio:ls on the occasion of integrity of India. We should bear this the Hundredth Anniversary of the in mind that actually this was the victory Freedom Struggle of Namibia. It was her of the principles of secularism of the innermost desire to see each country free Congress and the democratic set up it has from bondage Thlt S~minar was held on giVen to the country, This has strengthe the 31st October, the very day when she ned those principles of secularism on the was assassinated. I was sent there 'SHRI C. JANGA 'REDDY (Hanam has been striving before and after inde 'l:ond'!\) : Mention his name. pendence- and the House bas, to complete this task. , SHRI B~R. BH'AGAT: I do not want to mention his name here. Such things We have to fight against communaJjsm~ are still being said. casteism and regionalism. Unfortunateiy. a regional.party has emerged. We' have • to change it into a national Party. First Our Prime Minister has right)y said the heart wiU change, then the spirit will that although we have massive majority, follow suit. yet we would use it in a proper way.. The task before the Eighth Lok Sabha IS to I am happy that the Prime Minister maintain unity of the country and to has laid stress on good Centre-State bring about its development and we would relations and mentioned abOlit the endeavour for it. He has spelt out an federal constitution. Indiraji also used outline of it. He has also solicited the to say this. It is incontrovertible that cooperation of the Opposition to achieve there should be a strong Centre and these objectives. there should also be strong States. If the Centre is weak, country will disinte grate, the feeling- of regionalism will When we review the priorities, we will increase, the spirit of nationalism will find tbat the solution of the problems of get weakened, and the achievements of Punjab and Assam teps the list. The the Congress during the last one-hundred Government have made up their mind on years for which lakhs of people sacrificed these issues. The Government have not their lives will go in vain. I am happy delayed it even for a day. A cabinet that the members of the regional party c.ommittee has been constituted in this have expressed the feeling of cooperation. ~rd and the matter is under considera The problems of Punjab and Assam tiOD. Tbe suggestions of the Opposi tion cannot be solved without a sense of are being solicited as we have to rem~m cooperation. If there is a sense of bel one thing that in a parliamentary cooperation, then these problems will be system if confrontation takes place then solved. This will result in the meeting tbe same situation will arise which we of hearts of all brethr~n and friends. In .witnessed during the previous Lok Sabha. this w IY the country will become strong' have to create an atmosphere of We and march forward.,_ ~OoPefatj,on. If we work with a spirit of cooperation then each "Bnd every probll!rn (;C the country can be solved. Our Prime Minister has assured a clean political system and public life. I' recall that President Kennedy had said Today, the parameter, the oUll ine on becoming President for the first time which has been put forth by us is that in 1960 that he tOOk Inspiration from the unity and the integrity of the country the idealism of Pandit Jawahar Lal ·must be maintained and strengthened and Nehru_ As Prof Madhu Dandavate said accordingly we 'will solve the questions of yesterday, the Prime Minister would have Punjab 'and Assam. We wi1l take the to create in him supreme self-confidence country forward by making it strong. This like his mother. I may add that his ii, our decision. programmes reflects the idealism of Pandit lawahar Lal Nehru We should ",' Our ~'ountry bas a pluralistic society imbibe the idealism of Panditji which ;,here people of different communities, inspired President Kennedy and our Castes and religions live. In India. ~he generation. Qmaress .has completed hundred years ". is the centenary year of the Congress. In the President's Address, mention ha,s • ~bave to 'remember those commitmen ts been made a bout the clean politiCal to, die tultllrDent of wbi~ t~ Convess sys~~,~ refonns in ,,4ministl'Jtlve 81~in.; 1~S Motion 0/ tJimJcs on reforms ill ,education system, priority that we do not require any more credit. to the social~ economic and cultural The peop1e were astonisbed when we' development of women, encouragement said this. You see the report of the to science and technology and about World Bank as well as the report on other, tbings. I welcome these ideas, International Affairs. Those who are 1:OOay t~ enthusiasms generated in the not our friends are also astonished at the·', people after the election should be charisma shown by tb, people of India '. converted into cooperative and disci Under su:h conditions, we can make plined endeavour so that the pace of much progress if we cooperate with our development is speeded up and the new Prime Minister. He bas encouraged country prepared to enter into the twenty new technology and changed the method first century. The Ei gh th Lok Sabba of working because he is concerned should also have the same objective and about the country. He wants to take the strive to achieve that. In the next fiv~ year country ahead. Indiraji also wanted to we should make the foundations ~trong do so. Our Plannjjng Minister Shri so that wo may be able to take this Narayanan is present here. He is our country into the twenty-first century under old friend and he knows weB that we the leadership of our Prime Minister. In have three tasks in the seventh Plan- ' tbe Eighth Lok Sabha the people have food, work and production, Ploductiori ' given us massive majority and we will does not mean growth. it means ' try our best to fulfil the commitments productivity Our retUJ n is not propor~ tbat we have made to the people. t ionate to our investment. This is a'. lacuna in our economic system Today, , the price of everything is' going up. 111" The Previou5 Government under the comparison with the capital we invest, the ; I :adership of Smt. Indira Gandhi had ratio of input and output is declining. made a commitment to give a strong I am giving you one example of Steel Government to the people. We fulfilled Plant at Vizag The Minister for Steel is" it" You have seen tha t under the leader not present in the House. This Plant was \ ~ ship of Smt. Indira Gandhi, the poore~t inaugurated by Smt. Indira Gandhi in' people of th,e villages had benefil~d 1970, when I was Minister for Steel. ' under the 20 point programme and every My name is also inscribed there along' State had made progress. The most with Ind iraji's name Fifteen years have ' important thing is that today our farmer passed but the Vizag plant has not yet! has attained self-confidence and become been set up. Consequently, the Plant self-reliants. Whatever progress we are will not prove economical on its comple seeina in tbe villages is not confined to tion. This is just ODe example besides some parts of Punjab, Haryana and maoy others. The Prime Minister bas Maharashtra but it IS there in Uttar emphasised that every work should be Pradelh and Bihar also, The day. tho completed as per scbedulo. Tbere art Gtecn 'Revolution' spreads fully in Uttar many administrative problems. Our Pradesh and Bihar, the farmers of India infrastructural prosrammes have also will be in the forefront among all the increaser. Whatever programmes .. farmers of the world. Today America draw up, whether they are related tet is the . biggest exporter of agricultural electricity or oil, we should provide U. prOduce. You imagine the day when requisite funds for them. If the ft'iquisit. India will also start exporting in thd funds are not made available, it results ~ainnins of the twenty-first century. in the failure of prograMmes. As is ~ case of V izag Steel Phint, it would nevet~ Today, we bave foreign exchange prove economical, it would never 'earn worth RI. 6,000 crores. It was profits becauSe 'fifteen years hJlv~",' Re. 4,000 in the previous years. During elapsed . . . . . \ . , the paa t years our foreign exchange poaitioD became 10 sound tbat we repaid AN HON'8LE MEMBER:, It d{: 1 .3 biliioD doJJars out of a loan of 5.1 never be set up ; that is why you 11'0 4.- billiOD dollars which we bad taken sayins layin. it. " ~. a ~. ~GAT: No. it will Sabba is meetins after (be ~esidedt" be. UP. Address.. The OOllDtry bas given it a new strength. As the Prime Miniiter' ~ President alSQ mentioned bas said, we would use tbis m8llive about foodgraiDI. Duriaa the laIt five majority to .. strengthen the COUfttry, to Do. have·..... that we, bave become _-:1 develop the country and to impJement the IeJr-tuiicicDt i. tbi. respect. You have elear-out programmes whkh the PrcsideaC, seeD t~t during the last five year~ em has mentioned in his Address. There i. plo1~Dt has been provided to about one a feeling that our administratiGn should· crQI'C 4S lakh families under N.R.B.P. be c lean and our public life shout. be &net Olbel' programmes. Two years ago. healthy and whatever work we do; it Inciir~ said two things on August 15 must be done speedily and systematically frOm -Red Fort : drink ing water would wi th all the devotion, as we find in Japan be made avilable in every village and or other countries. There is a need of at .leut one member from each family national cooperation, national COMeDSUS would be provided with job. Every on this issue. ThiS Eighth Lok Sabba fa.ily would have an employed member would become unique and historic if .• anod the employment would be productive. get a new leadership from this Lot ·Sabba ()u( has new Prime Minister adopted such and a new atmosphere is created be~ and wodana methods as have brougbt about if it gives its consent to tbe policiet of tho -aDd speed efficiency in ou r work. He has Government and the programmes set O\1t fixed .8ccountability for everyone. There by the President. As the Prime Minister bas be ODe w~ no t big or sman, without said, we are about to enter into the 21st ac:eountability, so that he may not sit century and by that time our country eompl~t. He will be accountable for would be strong and there would be no his work. Especially the public sector poor, there would be no discri~titm uadcrtakings should be made successful. on the basis of caste and there would be A- ... amount of capital is invested in no clash between regionalism and nationa. ~ __rtakings and if we arc not able }ism. India would remain one and be tqJncrease tbeir productively and if no able to eradicate poverty not only from ~- ia tbe input and Olltput ratio this country, but from other countries as is. aaade then tbe already higb prices well. In this way, we would be able to woa1d go on increasing because we can .. take our country into the 21 st century and Dot produce cheaper goods. for creatmg a clean life, we are making a beginning by bringing anti-detection Mr. Chairman, Sir~ in the end, would I Bill. We should all coope~ate in this Jib ,to say... (Interruptions). regard and the country .should progress. [ErwUsh] We should try to remove poverty, there should be no unemploYD.1ent. We all PROF. K. K. TEWARY Speak shOUld live unitedly and ,make our country .boat Sri Lanka. strong. All should live in coo~r~OD rr,.slationj with one another. We should al~ make use of science and technology so that the SIIRI B.R. BHAGAT: You may developmental work is speeded up and .... about Sri Lanka, I do Dot hav~ the differences between the rich a~d the ... time. However, ill reprd to Sri poor are removed. For ensurin, a socia llah it bas been made clear that there Ii stic set up in the country, we want co caaaOi be a military solution to this operat iOn from all sides. _Wean. TJ:aere should be a political solu tioa ~ and the refupes from Sri Lanka Witb tbese words, I support tile Mo· .... ,;0 baqc and liYe there peacefWly. tjoa of Thanks on tbe Pt.ideBtt-s We'do Dot want to interfere in the inter Address. _1 attairs of any country including Sri La¥a. [Engii.h] AI 1 have already said, the Eiahth Lok MR. CHAD.MAN ..._ III tile HOQIe J whOle .meadmeDh Mows ,1Ite- 0WI'W'1IeItDiD& COaatm to the Motion of Thanks have beea cirog· of our people for the \NlttyaG4'l lated. may, if they desire to move their iDte&rity or tbe nation aDd tbck ...,ft".ta. se_', sUps to the Table desire for a strong aGd ,\Bbf• ,..in fifteeD 1IliD!IMS ia4icatin&.tbo serial Government at tbe Centre." n_.... of the aaendmonts th~y wOlll14 lao..to '*""- Tbcu aoaeA41l1eJ1ti only Sir I take strong exct-ption to tbis .... be: troated as moved. A list sh.ow particular expi ession coming from the irIII the aerial Dl.IBIbers or aQ)OlldmeAti PNaidelu. Of 'course, \\e know that the treated as moved will b~ put up on the Preaidonl dOCS not \\rite his speech, bu' 1 notice board shortly. In case any MeID would say that the spee~h $bould ba ber fiods any discrepancy III the 1iit, he W{inCA in a manner wbK:h would be ~ kindly bring it to the Dotic~ of bcfiuiag the President fur hil) Addre•• t~ officers at th~ Tabl~ without delay. That bas not been dgne ill th_lj case. SHI.I AMAL DATTA (Diamond Har· It bas b~ stated before in this House, boon : Sir, T rise to oppose tbis Motion and I repeat it, that the ruling party today It is • ritual for the President to addrtS6· bas got only a mandate of 50 per c\.nt of tllle Jotnt Session of the two Houses. and the electorate. It S~ happens that it bas t .... ·mual 'we have been fonowir18~ b~ got only 7 per cent more votes than it .. ba-ve bee A folloowins the colonial has got last time in 1 4} 8 O. It has, got a 5f$tetn iA this coull-try. We shaU follow it. ma~sive majority in this Hou Sf; but that &t long as this parl!am4fRtary system is massive majority does not mean a mMsiVe tIMre. There is DO alternative. mandate. A c{'nfusion is songht to be created among the people tbal the COb. The President in his speeclJ has spoken ress bas got a massive mandate. It is of a massive mandate ... (Interruptions) nothing like tbat. Only 7 per cent mote If I am interrupted like this .•. peopJe have voted for it. It shoUld 10 down into their Consciousness, because they seem. to think they have got a Ma. CHAIRMAN: It is better not massive mandate. What is more painful to yield. is the fact that the President is made to ... (Interrutions) Because they do not have SHRI AMAL DATTA ; I am sayiDI or know anything better, they are interrup whatever I have to say. If any member ti~g me. The President has bien ma. to bas _.. , poiat. let him raise it as a point say: of· Meier. Otberw~ lot him keep quiet. "(this) shows, the overwbe1min& COD SOl BHsaAVADAN K.. OADJ1AVI cern or our peOple for the unitJ (bm 1aaDtba) : Wllat is ...0&, by 'do and iAtegrity of the Dation" nial system' ? Does it mean that 50 per cent of the AN BON. MEMBER: You refer te people, who have not voted tor tile dictionary. Conaresa mandate, they are not for tbe uniAY at the nation and the i.tc;ari~y of tbe nation? (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN Please do not interrupt. SHill BHSI\A VADAN K. GADllANit: Sir, eo a point a( ordet'. The: .... SHIU AMAL DAITA ; Till "'idoD' """r ,..j•• l DOW said that die, PItsi ia bis speech bas said : dIat.. made Ie say. Is it Ja _." 7 ( l".rrlq1titHU) '·Tao uap~ !JlNldate rogoive4: bJ, the tWiaa par" Wl~, the MR. CHAIRMAN: Is tIleIe. _. leadership of Sbri Rajiv OaAlllU iQfrin..-at of tbc -ru1. ? 1. 71. Motlo;" 0/ Tlrttnks on .' JANJrARt ,It,.198·S .. SHRI BHERAVADAN K. GADHAVI: when 400 people have been elected 'to the: He said that the President was made to Congress (I). say. He cannot make a statement on the President. You have a strong Government?~ Is that what the President means to say MR. CHAIRMAN: There is no point here. He has been made to say so. of order. You take your seat But this is wrong this is unfair and this is not befitting of Parliamentary democracy SHRI AMAL DATTA: It is most to make the President say this kind of a regr:ttable that the President has been thing. made to say by implication that 50 per cent of the electorate has voted for people PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Sir: I am on wbo are anti-national and, therefore, a point of order. You know and m~ these SOper cent are people who are learned fJ iend also knows that no asper against national integrity and national sion can be cast on the President of unity. What is this kind of speech? h India. Only under a substantive Motion it befitting for a President to say this ? It any criticism of the President of India. may be a vote for a stable Government. can be done. So" while making his It is all right and I accept the latter part submIssion in his speech, the Member tbat out of the desire for a strong and should be advised to refrain from casting stable Government the people have given an aspersion. He is a lawyer and he 400 MPs of the Lok Sabha to the should know that this message has come Congress (I). The Prime Minister is from the Government of India It is sitting here and in an interview to the well known to the House and to him as TIME Magazine he lamented the lack of a well, because he is a lawyer and 1 suppose strong Opposition. Does not this mean he knows the law, that has got to come that w hat the Prime Minister has said from the President of India and the thereby is that what the people haye done President of India works through a by electing 400 Congress (I) people is constitutionally elected Government which wrong? Yes, that is what by implication a representative Governmeo. Therefore, he has said. any reference to President of India" or any insinuation or an aspersion cast to ( [nterrl1ptions) him should be expunged from the proceedings. All rigbt, you are at liberty to say what you want to say when }' ou get a chance SHRl AMAL DATTA: Sir, this is to speak. I am here to say what my what the Presiden t has been made to .say interpretation of Prime Minister's saying by the Gl)vernment which is in power. I is. Sir, tbat is one point on which I have made it· very clear and tbere is no agree witb Shri Rajiv Gandhi that aspersion 00 the President personally. people's will bas not been reflected in tbis Parliament. This calls for reform PROF. K.K. TEWAR Y: It is for the of the electoral process for ~ hich we have Chair to decide. been cryinS' for a long time. We have been shouting for it, fighting for it, but SHRI AMAL DATTA: You listen because the Congress (I) had a majority carefully. we could never get it through. They had beeR able to get power previously. Now MR. CHAIRMAN Tewary Ji, they are saying like this as if it was Dot a please take your seat. stable Government, as it was not a strong government. although Mrs. Gandhi had given that slogan in 1 980 and got two SHRI AMAL DATIA: If there is thirds majority. Was that not a strong anything personal or individual against the Government? Was that not a stable President that bas been said by me, please lovcmmeot so tbat you say only now delete that. 173 Motio" ·of Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Presidelft's Addr~ss 174 .PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Sir,· there MR. CHAIRMAN: Please sit down • is a', distinction. President of India is You also sit down. I am t~.:dog care of President of India and he is not an that, P,lease take your seat. individual. MR. CHAIRMAN: He has not [Translation] said anything casting aspersion on ... (Interruptions) ... 1 am 00 my legs. the President of Indi t. Please take Please sit down. Al)ow him to speak. your seat. When you speak, you may reply to his points. Let him make his pOints. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Sit down and make peace. [English] Please continue. PROF. K K TEWAR Y : Sir, this elementary thing he ~hould know. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Sir, it only shows where the shoe pinches, Sir, it has been made to appear as if the CPI(M) SHRI AMAL DATTA: Unfortunateiy also have supported this Anandpur Saheb these diversionary tacticts just not only Resolution and I say, it is totally false. I derogates from the decorum of the House, say this because in June 1983 there was but distracts the Member, who is on his a concla\'e of Opposition Parties meeting legs. Tha! is Prof. Tewary's usual tactic. in Delhi which laid down the ways in which Unfortunately. I am not getting protection the whole Punjab problt!ffi could be from the Chair. solved. Sir, it is those things which the Congress went on rejecting and ultimately MR. CHAIRMAN ~ No, you are it is in the June 2. 1984 broadcast ,of getting full protection, Mr. Datta. Don't Mrs. Gandhi that the same things were be afraid of that. repeated. If this one y~ar of procrastina tion had been avoided, it could have ·SH~I AMAL DATTA: Sir, I have avoided the entire Punjab tragedy, it bee~ making a point on the electoral could have avoided the entire alienation of PJ~~ss. We have ~sked for its lotal a significant community of India. fogasting, and restructuring because in this election it has been seen how th~ (Interruptions) electoral process can be abused. This election has seen it that totaHy incorrect and misleading allegations against the It is not a question of interruption. Opposition parties have been' made. If you are on a point of order, say so. fs~oo 'brs: (Interruptions) To quote one instance or I shall Quote two instances--one is, it has been made to MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Tewary, he appear-I will not inention any names is not yielding. hy people in high authority of the Ruling Party t.fiat the OPPQsition Members have been' supporting the AnaBdpur' Saheb PROF. K.K. TEWARY: He is Resolution, which is totally incorrect and yielding. false. (Interruptions) Sir, so far as wes (lie CPI {M:, are concerned, I can say" on behalf of my Party that in J'!Jlle 1983, MR. CHAIRMAN: No, he is Dot there was _. yielding. Are you yielding, Mr Datta '1 {lnt~rrltptions) , SIiRI AMAL DATTA: No, 1~ S MoJiOJt 0/ ThiMks tm JANUARY IB, 1985 MR.. CIiAIRMAN: No, be is Dot SHR) AMAL DATTA Is it PDlSi ,iekliaa. ble to carryon when everybod, • sftoutiag ? PROF. K.K. TEWARY: At the time of conflict, the AkaHs were invited .• MR. CHAIRMAN; They think tbat you are yielding. Tbis is tbe trouble. (Interruptions) SHRI AMAL DATIA : This un precedented money power which bas been MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Tewary, you brought to play in this' election points pJease take your seat. to tbe MOd for an oarly electoral rof'onn because money power is not only aieee, (Interruptions) but also mixed with muscle power in breaking up election meetin,s, in b.-k. MR. CHAIRMAN: No, Tewaryji, ing up hundreds and thousands of ••. this is not the way of deb3tin~. Please tako you r sea t. (Interl'llptions) SHRI AMAL DA rTA: This is very PROF. K.K. TEWARY In West wrong on the part of the Member to Bengal, the CPI (M) people have boeD repeatedly disturb me. Once or twice rigging the ejections. ODe can understand. But every time every sentence I utter he is going to disturb me. (Interruptions) [Tratls/ation] MR. CHAIRMAN: Tewaryjj, pjeuo (llfterruptioR3 ) take your seat. When your time comes you will reply. Please take your seat. MR. CHAIRMAN: Let him speak. This is not the way of conductiag tbe You may reply to his point~ when your business. Wheo your time comes, )'OIl turn comes. will reply. You arc a good parliamell tariao, you can roply to tbem. Why aN [E"61ish] you -interrupting ? SHRI AMAL DATTA Sir, this has been a h!inous tactic, but it has succeed PROF. K.K.. TEWARY : I am mot.. ed because of the money power wbich bas ly ·trying to point out ... been brougbt to play in an unprecedented manner in tbis elect ion. That is why ... MR. CHAIRMAN: You are a too4 parliamentarian. This is Dot tbe way. (Interruptions) Please take your seat. SURI RAJESH PILOT (Dausa) (Inter ruptions) - Why should you use that her•• SHRr RAJESH PILOT: Sir, boD. (Interruptions) Member is lakina out his coat. What it the intention ? SHRI AMAL DATTA: Why can't they listen ? MR. CHAIRMAN No, be 'is not- MR. CHAIRMAN You continue, takiag out. thoy will Jistea. SHRI AMAL DAIT A : Sir. all this riasins, booth..captwiq. money power 177 Motion of Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 1 78 and muscle power should be done away It is the desire of every person to have with. There should be an electoral re a strong Government. It is as lIluea form and I regret to say that the Presi our desire, the desire of Members in dent's Address has made no mention of the Opposition, as is the desire of tla~ the electoral reforms. For five years, Party in the Government. And the this Government is going to be here. Prime Minister has said again and BgaiR There will be many more Presidential that they will see that the Opposition is Addresses. If this is not in the plan able to function properly. Unfortunately, for this year, 1 985 at least let it be in this President's Address, there is no known whether they want to go through mention of it at all. The President's an electoral reform in the ensuing years Address has been prepared long after before people's will is ask to be reflected the election results were out. There un through the elections. Let there be an elec precedented mandate of the people has tion which will be responsive people's been mentioned but nothing has been will and opt an election where 50% of the said as to how the Opposition, weakened people will vote 80% of the represen as it is, is going to function. This is tatives. also an unprecedented thing. The Oppo. sition never had so few Members as it SHRI RAJESH PILOT: What about has today. This should have found a Telugu Desam? Money has played mention that the Government is serioUSly there. considering some institutional changes in the functioning of our Parliament so tRat the Opposition can be effective. The AN HON. MEMBER : No. Opposition is voicing the concern or the grievances of the people which the rnling SHRI SUDINI JAIPAL REDDY: Party Members are unfortunately Dot in That is in spite of your money power. a position to do. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Sir, the 15.09 hrs. P resident says : [SHRIMATI BASAV ARAJESW AIU "The fair and peaceful manner in in the Chair. 1 which they were held is a tribute to the democratic genius of Our SHRI AMAL DATTA: Madam, tbere people" . are many economic issues mentioned iD the President's Address, though they arc very brief. It has been mentioned Unfortunately, it was not fair and peace· that the foodgrains production has ful. For record's sake I am saying this. gone uP. Yes, it has gone up. Bu.t We come to that later. has it gone up against the trend of foodgrains rroduction which we were Sir, in my humble opinion, for formu experiencing for the past 10 years or latiun of such a law, a commission should 20 years? There has been a jump be be set UP. A number of suggestions cause there has been a stagnation pre or electoral reforms have come from viously. It does not show anything. the Chief Election Commissioners-pre Half-truth is sometimes worse than an sent and past- which were made from unh uth. their own experience of conducting the elections. But these suggestions have AN HON. MEMBER Wbat is the not been giv(!n the serious consideration truth ? that they deserve. Nor have any pro cesses been mooted to bring into effect such reforms so that the will of the people SHRI AMAL DAIT A: the truta will be really reflected in the composition is that we have not exceeded the tteod of the House. of 2.2 per cent annual inCt~ iQ 179 Motion of Thanks ,on JANUARY 18, 1985 President' s Addr~ss 180 [Shri AmaJ Datta] two bonanzas. One is that good mon soon has given us increased foodgrains foodgrains prod uctiOD. That is production and the other is that we have . the truth. And that truth should got a trem~ndous increase in the produc .. . have I een revealed in the President's lion of rertroleum. What have we done to .' Addre~s With a population of 700 get an incre:lse in Pi!1 roleum production? million people-750 million by this time Have we sunk new weJls so that petro -we have reached the foodgrains produc leLlm pr oduction has gone up or ii it tion of 151.5 million tonnes in 1983-84 that the old wells are giving us more and, possibly, we are going to have a petroleum production what is much more little more this year. This is a bonanza than what we had expected? What we that we have got because of good succes ha: expected at the end of the Sixth sive monsoons. I do not say that the Plan was 26 million tonnes of petroleum Government has no cred it for that. whereas we have already got in the last But what is really the credit for that? year which is not Over 30 million tonnes We can only be properly assessed whe~ of petroleum. We h:lVe got it because we compare our figures with the compar the nature has been very kind to us, able figures of other countries. Which Fro'n the bowels of the earth more country is comparable to India? Th~ liquid gold h:IS flo .ved. So, you do not only country whkh we can think of as take credit for that. The prices have not comparable to India is China. For the gO:1e up or. Iy because of that. education of hone Members, I may tell you that the foodgrains production of Then, you have got .1 trade gap. It is China with 1000 million population is a deflationary process to have a trade gap. 400 million tonnes. They have 1 tonne It is bad for the rupee &s an ex~hange oC foodgrains for every persons 2! but it is good for a deflationary process. whereas we have 1 tonne of foodgrains We are able to afford it not because of for every 5 persons. These are the co:n what we have done in Ind=a but b~cause parable figures given by the World B.mk, other Indians with great risk to them unimpeachable so far as our learned selves are working abroad and remitting friends opposite are oncerned. This is an money to our country. Rs. 3000 crores achievement we have made afler morl! are being remitted every year and we get than 3 5 y~ars of Independence and the the benefit of it. We import much more Chinese have made an ach ievement after than what we export. Last year, we years of their Revol ution. 33 e){poned goods worth Rs. 6000 crores less thJn what we imported. That is why AN HON. MEMBER: Thers is no there is an inbuilt deflationaT y pro: e~s . independence there. in tht! trade gap that we have. It does not go to t he credit of the Government. Th~ Government has not done anything THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE t or consumer price index stabilisation as AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (SHRI \ve have been demanding time and BUT.'\. SINGH): At least there are no a~:.lin we must have a pubiic distribution system Opposition parties there. f,)f 14 essent ial commodities. What have they dcne about it ? Nothing. SHRI' C. MADHAV REDDY In Vlh3t would it have cost the Govern China, 'one family has not ruled for so ment : It would bave cost not more than many years. Rs. 1,000 crores today. When we mooted this propcsaf in 1981, it would have cost SHRI AMAL DATTA: The credit is the Gcvernment R s. 600 crores. That 'sought to be taken because the pi ices they did not pay. They were not willing have Dot increa~ed so much. Th~ to pa~ that subsidy for public distribution increased in whole sale price index is on Iy system in re~pect of 14 essentiaJ ~ocds. 6 per cent as compared to 12 per cent But they have paid subsidy to those wto last year. It is welcome. Why ha" it so can enrich themselves at the cost of the Ilappencd? U.$ be~u~ w~ have ¥ot public e~chequer~ at tbe CO$t of the 1g 1 Motion of Thanks on PAUSA 28. 19()6 (SAKA) money which has been take(1, 90% of it hectares of land, as calculated by National has been taken by indirect taxation from Sample Survey, remains to be taken the poor people! R,. 3,000 crores are away from the landlords and to be given as subsidy to traders, to exporters, redistributed. It is 6 million hectares of who are necessarily the wealthy people land in the whole country! Only two and necessarily the supporters of the States have implemented the land reform's, ruling party. This is the state of the West Bengal and Tripura, the two Left Indian economy and that is not reflected front Government States. It is for in the Presidential address. everybody to see this. It is mentioned' even in the report of the Planning Credit has been sought to be taken. Commission. It is admitted. There is no Foreign exchange SDR drawings from quarrel about that What is the Govern IMF have been given up. I do not ment to do in future to see that the new understand why they were given UP. agricultural techniques introduced are not What is the purpose of taking credits in Introduced in such a way that they give rise this respect ? First, we surrender to to more inequity in the country as it is humiliating terms to IMF in order to Jone in Punjab ? Nothing has been said get 500 million SDR credit which is about that. There i3 no commitment in around Rs 5,000 crores, I understand. this whole Document. It will be more now, because the dollar rate has gone up. What we have done My learned friend Mr. Bhagat has said if this that because we have got the oil. about the comm itment to socialism and about which we did not know, in 1981 [hat our cOunrry will progress towards when we entered into this humiliating socialism. But w~ oat is there about ;1greement, surrendering the very ingre ~ocialisrn in this President's speech ? dients of sovereignty, the powers of our What is the commitment to mar>! e.quality. Government to determine what shoulj not to talk of socialism ? This society be the policy of the Government, how must move towards more equality. And they will deal with the labour, what what has been stated in this Document l.oncessions they will make or not rnak:. to S..iy that there is a resolve, there is a Everything was surrendered to get in1'-) commitment in the Government to move that agreement, to get 5 billion SO Rs towards more eq'lllity, b'lth m the from the IMF. But now that we got the indu,.;trial sbperc as well ~IS in the agri oil and we got a good monsoon, we are cultural sphere? There is nothing. in a position to surrender and the Members who have just spoken have This document only records certain taken great credit for that. Well, events which hav~ hap'Jcned and gives PreSident, has made a remote on that! certain subjective interprotations ••• Very good ! We were in a position to do so. But why ? That has not been explained here. I have just explained MR. CHAIR MAN: The hone Membor that the reason is nature's bonanza and has been allotted 30 mir:utes. He rna, not because what our Government can try to conclu tie as early a~ pC'ssibJe. take credi t for. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Only 13 tblnu. tes are 1eft for the govefflment business to What happens to Our agricult ure ? be over for the day. YOll give me tbosl Where is the mention of agriculture here? ten minutes. How much has been done for agriculture in this country on which 70% of our people depend? What has been done to MR. CHAtRMAN Please tey t" bring the additional irrigation potential com:lude. into being? What has be~n done to see that it is utilised ? What has been done S lRI -'MAL DATTA: Certain rura) to see that the land is equitably dev!" 1()pment measures have been men. distributed ? Even today, () mil1!on tiotl"d here. What is mentioned is tb" t.~ Motioll 0/ 'l'hmtks on' .J~UARY 18, 198~ lSllt:i Amal Datta] texti Ie iDdustry. It is very good tbat the so .l8Uy families have been brought Government is concerned with the textile' within the scope of NREP, RLEOP, etc. industry, But here again I am told by bu. what benefit has accrued to these government circJes that jute is not families ? Has any benefit accrued to to be given any encouragement. There tbeIe families at all or has the benefit are jute industries closed and sick which lODe only to the bankers, contractors are waiting for nationalisation for years anel thosa middlemen between the people two or three Or four years. But the and the Government ? There is no Government ha s refused to nationalise assessment of the projects which the them. Even if the Sta te Government Government have undertaken. There is wants to nationalise, they are not Bothins about the amount of money approving of nationalisation. Crocodile which has gone for the benefit of these tears are being shed only for a section of 14.5 million people who are said to be the textile industry, namely, the cotton covered by these Programmes. textiles, but all the textile industry is Dot being included which should have There is no mention, I am afraid, about been. the great sickness which is prevailing in tbe industrial world. We, who come Coming to the foreign policy of the from West Bengal, know that there is Government, this Government has stated sicfmess in the industry. Rather than through the President's A ddress that opening new industries and giving new "our friendly relations and coope opportunities of employm~mt, the existing ration with the Soviet Union and other jndustries are being closed down every social is t countries continue to develop. day. This is a by_product or the direct That is all right because we know that product of the Government's own policies the Soviet Union bas helped us in tbe ef DOt updating the technology in time9 past, the Soviet Union has seen us of not investing. Government has taken through very bad times. But in paragraph ,&ver tbe management of th! industry, 31 they say: bat they hlve not invested a single pie to see that the required repairs to machinery "We welcome the increasing coopera are carried out. This is someth ing which tion in economic, scientific, culture concerns the entire nation because 500 and educational fields with the big factories and 60,000 small and United States of America." medium·sized factories are closed today in the whole of India. This may not concern many of the Members opposite, Why is there the need for increasing but this does concern us. Something cooperation? Is it because we did not should have been said about what is have any cooperation before ? Or, why goins to be the government policy about this sudden spurt in your desire for in4ustrial sickness because so far it has increased cooperation? Do we not know been declared that the Government is not what game the United States of America loing to support sick industries any more. is playing in the whole of the world and They were going to close dowa even by vis-a- vis India ? Prof. Ranga, the Mover '31 at January. I hope they are going to of this Motion of Thanks to the President e~~cnd the time to see whether nationali for his Address, has stated that the satioD is possible. You must nationalise Indian Ocean is no longer a zone of them for the protection of the employ peace and he is disturbed by that, Who ment of those workers who are already is the cause for the Indian Ocean not employed. You must see that those areas remaining a zone of peace ? Is it not which are already industrialised do not the United States ? Wby does the SU,tTer (rom any lack of funds from which Govern men t of India not have the they have been made to suffer for the last courage to name the United States as the 10 or 20 years. country responsible for militarisatioD of the Indian Ocean ? We have heard of Some toars have been shed for the foreign bands trying to destabilise tbis 18, Motion of ~ on Pr.sitlent t s AdJraa t a~ country. Many times not only in this world peace, for ban of nuclear arms, for House but also outside mention has been nuclear freeze and so on. But have the made of foreign hands in relatiOn to Indian peopJe been made conscious of (he Assam and Punjab. What ha" happened apprehension of nuclear war, of what is to those foreign hands? happening in the IndIan Ocean? The Indian people have not been made a party to th is particular desjr~, they have They are not mentioned here. The not been brought into any movement Government of India has not mentioned They are not conscious even today from to whom these hands belong, This was where the threat is coming. This is a fitting occassion to mention-when the something which should have been done. destabilisation process initiated by these But st ill there is time. That is why I am foreign hands culminated in a national administering this warning to th()~c friends tragedy. Th~ con~equence of the national sit ting on the ruJ ing Benches that they tragedy has been an unprt!ceden ted must not let the wh ole thing slip a way majority for the ruling Party and, there from their grip, from the grip of their fore, "a strong and stable Government". Party and the Government. That "strong and stable Government" should have had the courage to mention who were the owners of these foreign They must make the entire people of hands, who tried to destabilise the India a party to these movements to country, who are makihg the Indian contain the imperialists, to make the Ocean not a zone of peace but are Indian Ocean a zone of peace and to get militarising it. This courage is lacking in nuclear peace declared among the nations this strong and stable Government". who desired peace in the world. This is The relations with the Soviet Union will not something to be played upon in the continue to grow. But which will develop theatre by inviting some world leaders. faster? Indications are there already for I think9 this is something which has to those who can see that our coun try is be done in the streets of the country. in going to veer a new course, a new course the villages, in the fields and a)) the of allying itself with the imperialists. That people of India must be a party to this is the course which has been charted movement, out by my friends in the ruling Party. With this I conclude my speech. A period of 35 years after indepen dence is not a very long period in a [Translation] nation's history. But the country has not developed to t be extent it was desired. SHRI C, J ANGA REDDY (Hanam I am not saying that it has not developed konda) : Sir, I beg to move :- at all. I am only saying that tbe desired development has not taken place, tbe desired harmonious relationship and That at the end of the motion, the integration in the nation has not taken following be added, namely:- place. So, the country bas to be alert that those who want to destabilise other • 'but rogret that there is no mention in countries taking advantage of their the Address of any plan sUlles· poverty, their diversity, their lack of ting that the State Governments integration, are not given a handle to be given by the union government disintegrate the country. That alertness, share of the revenues keeping in 1 am afraid, is not there. It is necessary view their development needs" (1) that all of us should be alert. We on this side are aJert, but we want you also to be That at the end of the motion, the alert, and the people must be made alert. That bas nover been done in this country. following be added, namely :- Wo have seen in Mrs. Indira Gandhi a great champion in tbe world theatre for "but regret that there is neither aD), 181 Motion 0/ thanks on JANUARV 18, 1985 [ShrJ C. Janga Reddy] mention about the need for mention in the Address that the appointment of a tribunal headed right to work wiJI be made a by a Judge of Supreme Court for fundamental right nor any indica impartial inquiry into the violent tion that the unemployed will get riots, which took place in Delhi unemployment allowance within a and other parts of the country prescribed period till they get following the assassination of proper employment." (2) Smt. Indira Gandhi as a result of which there is a sense of insecurity among the riot victims." (7) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely:- That at the end of the motion, the "but regret that there is no mention foHowing be added, namely :- in the Addre'lls of .the Government's failure to remove enormous diffi "but regret there is no motion in the culties being faced by the general Address about the incidents of public, as a result of the rapid attack on opposition leadet s by increase in prices of essential anti-social elements and their commodities," (3) release On bai] during the recent Lok Sabha elections and also the That at the motion, the folJowing be effective steps to check such type added, namely :- of growing terrorism in poli tics." (8) "but regret that there is no men tion in the Address of any relief That at the end of the motion, the to the pensioners in view of the foHowing be added, namely:- } decreasing value of the rupee, (4)" "but regret that there is no mention in That at the end of the motion, the the Address of the need to check following be added, namely :- the misuse of A.I.R. and Door. darshan particularly during elec "but regret that there is :10 mention in tions:' (9) the Address of the failure of the Government in checking the increasing unemployment." (5) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely :- That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely :- •'but regret that in the Address there is neither an y mention of the diffi. culties caused to the general "but regret that there is no mention in public on account of saJestax nor t~e Address of any schemes to any assurance to abol ish the sales. guarantee proportional return for tax within a fixed period." (10) agricult ural produce against the cost of production and residential That at the end of the motion, the accomodation~ medical facilities fol1owing be added, namely:- and living wage to the WOf kers" (6) "but regret that there is no mention in the Address of the fact that the That at the end of the motion, the number of persons living below following be added, namely :- the poverty line has been increa sing every ye:u' durin" the last "but regret that the Address does not Five Year Plan period." (11) 1 89 Motion 01 Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 190 That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely : - fol1owing be added, namely :- '-but regret that in the Address there is "but regret that the Address makes no no mendon about the need to check mention about the non-increase the erosion of top soil in different in the earnings of Railways in hilly areas of the country inclu. t~rms of goods and passenger ding Darjeeling hill." (16) traffic in proportion to the invest m~nt made in the Railways by That at the end of the motion, the the Government during the last following be added, namely:- 25 yea TS ." {1 2) "but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion, the no mention about the need to following be added, nam:I)':- include Nepali language in the Eighth Schedule to the Constitu "but regret that the Address makes no tion." (1 7 ) mention about the illeffects of i :1creasing money power in the That at the end of the motion, the elections and need to check the following be added, namely :- ul)e of unlimited IT'oney by parties in the name of election cam is pa jgn." (1 3 ) "but regret that in the Address there no mention about the need to grant regional autonomy for the That at th:! end of the motion, the Nepali speaking people in three following be added, namely :- hill sub-divisions of the district of Darjeeling within the State of "'but regret that in the Address there is West Bengal." ( 1 8) neither any mention of th~ defect in our present el;;ction process That at the end of the motion, the nor any indication of any action following be added, namely :- -tJ re.n~h·(! th:!r.: be:ng no dire::t nexus between th:! per';':iltag.! of "but regret that in the Address votes p .)ll.:d and the number of there is no mention about the se'l~~ w.::>n by p )litical parties in need for providing more central P.J.rliame:1t or' State Le~islatures assistance for overall develop. an j h~n,;e lack of proper repre ment of hill areas in the district sentat,ioa of public opinion in the of Darjeel ing." (19) Houses" (141 That at the end of the motion, tbe That at the end of the motion, the fol!owing ba added, namely :- following be added, namely :- "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the need to "but regret that the Address shows no develop tourism in the district of concern ov..;r the disappointing DarjeeJing which is One of the results of the sports policy of the most beautiful tourist areas in the Government." (1 S) world," (20) [Englis/!] That at the end of the motion, tbe SHRI ANANDA PATHAK (Darjee following be added, namely :- ling).: I. beg to move: "but regret that in the Address there That at th~ ~nd of the motion, the is po mention about the failure of 191 Motion of Thanks on JANUARY 18, 1985 President's Address 192 the Government to takc over foHowing be added, D8JLdy :- t he closed and sick tea plantations in all the tea-growing States."(21) "but ret,ret that in the Address there is no mention about the failure of That at the end of the motion, the the Gover nment to solve the pro following be added, namely :- blem of r('sevation of seats in the Sik kim Legislative Assembly." "but regret that in the Address there is (27) no mention about the need to provide excise rebate to the small That at the end of the motion, tbe tea producers in West Bengal." foJJowing be added, namely :- (22) "but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion. the no mention about the need to set following be added, namely:- up a television centre it Si'i guri." (28) ubut regret that in the Address there is no mention about the failure of That at the end of the motion, the the Government to relax the following be added, namely: restrictions On foreign tourists the lo' istrict of Da rjeeling " (23 ) "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the failure of That at the end of the motion, the the Government to expand the foltowing be added, namely:- All India Radio Station at Kur seong ."(29) "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the need to set That at the end of the motion, the up a Sainik Schoal in Darjee following be added, namely : ling." (24) "but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion, the no mention about the failure of following be added, namely :- the Government to introduce a direct train from New Jalpaiguri to New DelhL" (30) "but regret that in the Address tbc1'c i_s 110 mention about the failur. !f That fat the end of the motion. tbe the Government 10 enforce labe\1r legislation awards and tripartite following be added, namely : agreements in the interest of the working class."(2S) "but rearet that in the Address there is DO mention about the need to introduce a super fast train from That at the end of the motion. the New Jalpaiguri to Calcutta." (31) following be added, namely :- ''but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion, the no metltion about the failure of following be add.:d, namely : the Government to ensure strict enforcement of provisions of the "but regret tha t in the Address therc is ProvideDt Fund Act and schemes no menti on about tbe failure of framed tbereuadet in the iaterest tbe Government to seal the border of the workers." (26, with Ban Iia" aad save the people of borler areas Jike Islam- !J1Hlt at· the end of the motion, the pur, Cb opta aod _.ber '*" of 193 ~ Motion 0/ Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 194 West Dinajpur district in W~t following be added, namely: Bengal from the atrocitieS" and plqndering by the anti-social ele "but regret that in the Address there ments coming from across' the is no mention about the failure border." (32) , of Government to provide for a long term famine eradication pro That at the end of the motion, the gramme in the chronic drought following be added, namely : affected areas in the country." (40) "but regret that in the Address there is SHRI DEVlNENI NARAYANA. no mention about the need to set SWAMY (Anantapur) : I beg to move: up a number of small scale indus tries in the backward district oC That at the end of the motion, the Darjeeling." (33) following be added, namely: That at the end of the motion. the "but regret that in the Address there following be added, namely : is no mention of the need for any relief measures for rural workers "but regret that in the Address there is on account of unprecedented no mention about the need to set drought in 190 TaJukas of up tammery, jute and sugar Andbra Pradesh particularly in industries in the backward areas Rayalseema district." (42) of lslampur and Chopra in the district of West Dinajpur in West DR. SARADISH ROY (Bolapur): I Bengal." (34) beg to move: SHRI C. MADHAV REDDY (AdiJa That at the end of the motion, the bad): I beg to move: folJowing be added, namely : That at the end of the motion, the "but regret that there is no mention foIIowing be added, namely: in the Address about the failure of the Government in taking effec "but regret that in the Address there is tive steps to minimise accidents in no mention of the severe drought coal mines." (50) conditions in several parts of Andhra Pradesh and the need to extend massive financial aid to tbe That at the end of the motion, the State to meet the relief operation following be added, namely: in progress." (36) "but regret that there is no mention in That at the end of the motion, the the Address about the failure of following be added, namely: the Government to consult all Central Trade Unions and stand '·but regret that in the Address there is ing Labour Committees before no mention of tbe failure to clear bringing any labour legisJatiou Telugu Ganga canals in Andhra for enactment." (s 1) Pradesh to pass through the Reserve Foresta." (37) That at the end of tbe motion. the folJowina be added namely: SBRI K. RAMACHANDRA I:mDDY (BiAdupur): I bel to move : "but rearet that there is no lDO.ltion in the Address about the ~ at ~~ ODd of die motiem, tho failure of the Government in 19S Motitm of Thanks Oil JANUARY 18. 1985 Pruldent's .4ddress 1.96 followiog be added, namely : formulating uniform policy for giving loans to the people of rural ,Cbot regret that there is no ~ntion in areas by nationalised banks." (52) the Address about the failure to implement the land ceiling That at the end of the motion, the laws." (58) following be added, namely: That at the end of the motion, the "but regret tbat there is no mention fonawing be added, namely: in tbe Address about the failure of the Government to reduce the "but regret that there is no mention in interest rates on loans given to the Address about the failure to marginal farmers and share end the vast disparity in the prices croppers. " (53) of agricultural commodities and industrial products." (59) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely: That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely : ·'hot regret that there is no mention in the Address about the failure of "but regret that there is no mention the Government to bring down in the Address about the need to the prices of steel and cement." (54) enact a central legislation for agri cultural workers." (60) That at the end of the motion, the fol Jowing be added namely : That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely : ·'but regret that there is no mention in the Address about the failure of the Government to protect the "but regret that there is no mention in haodlOOm weavers of the country. " the Address about the need to (55) provide house-sites to the land less poor and necessary financial assistance to construct bouses." That at the end of the motion, the (61 ) following be added namely: "but regret that there is no mention in That at the end of tho motion, the the Addrecs about the equitable following be added, namely : distribution of river waters for irrigation purposes among various "but re gret that there is nO mention in States. " ( 5 6 ) the Address about the clear and firm policy of the Government That at tbe end of the motion, tbe regarding nationalisation of in following be added. namely : dustries." (62) "but regret tba t there is no mention in That at the end of the motion, the tbe Address regarding the threat following be added, namely : to tho integrity of tbe country from increasing communal and caste feelings and the steps taken "but regret that there is no mention in to tackle the menace." (57) the Address about tbe widespread pollution of drinking water sources That at the end of the motion, tbe endangerins public health." (63) 197 Motion of Thtinks Oft PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 198 That at the end of the motion, the Nepali speaking people in three following be added, namely : hill sub-divisions of tbe district of DarjeeJing within tbo State of West Bengal/' (68) "but regret t hat there is no mention in tbe Address about the dec lara ration of Sundarban as a backward That at the end of the motion the area.u (64) following be added, namely : ' "but regret that in tbe Address there is That the end of the motion, the no mention about tbe need for following be added, namely : providing more central assistance for the development of bill areas .. 'but regret tbat there is no mention in the district of Darjeeling." (69) about the tendency continuing since long to argue tbat candi That at the end of the motion the dates belonging to Scbe foUowing be added, namely : ' duled Castes/Scheduled Tribes and other backward classes are "but regret that in the Address there is not having minimum efficiency no mention about the need to or competency to fill the quota develop tourism in the district of as prescribed in the different Darjeeling which is one of the Government departments and most beautiful tourist areas in the Undertakings excepting a few in World." (70) the lower grade services." (65) That at the end of the motion, the That at . the end of the motion, the following be added, namely: following be added, namely : "but regret tbat in the Address there is ubut regret that there is no mention no mention ab out the failure of in the Address about the need to the Government to undertake issue a circular to the Govern concrete measures to revamp and ment Departments and undertak rejuvenate tbe tea industry in the ings to fill up the backlog in tea district of Darjeeling." (71) recruitment of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes," (66) That at the end of the motion the following be added, namely : ' That at the end of the motion, Jhe following be added, namely : "but regret tbat in the Address there is DO mention about the failure of "but regret that there is no mention in the Address regarding the the Government to takeover the closed and sick tea plantations in punitive steps for deliberate viola all the tea growing States:' (72) tion of reservation order for Sche duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. " ( 6 7) That at the end of the motion the followins be added, namely : ' That at tho end of the motioD, the followin. be added, namely: "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the need to . "but reSfCt that in the Address thore provide excise rebate to tbe small is no montion about the need to tea producers in West Bengal" srant resioaal autonom, to tho ' (73) 199 Motion of Thanks on JANUARY 18, 1985 President's Adtlre.ls 200 np mention about tbe failure to That at the end of the motion, the devote adequate attention to the following be added, namely: conditions of the rural poor and the hardships of small farmers "but regret that in the Address there and of agricultural labourers." is no mention about the need for (79) providing minimum wage to the agricultural labourers throughout That at the end of the motion the the country." (74) following be added, namely : That at the end of the motion, the "but regret that in the Address there is following be added, namely : no mention about the programme for provision of drinking water, as well as rural health and educa "but regret that in the Address there u is no mention about the failure of tion for all at a faster rate. (80) the Government to provide pen sion to agricultural labourers, That at the end of the motion, the widows and disabled persons." following be added, namely : (75) "but regret that the Address fails to That at the end of the motion,. the mention about systematic killings following be added, namely : of Harijans by the rich upper castes in U. p. and Bihar·" (81) "but regret that there is no mention in the Address about the need for That at the end of the motion, the exempting the poor and marginal foHowing be added, namely: farmers, bargadars and agricultu ral workers from the payment of "but regret that in the Address there agricultural and other government is no mention about the inability loans and interest on co-opera of the Government to remove the tive loans throughout the coun- lacunae in the enactments relating try." (76) to rape, dowry death, atrocities on Harijans and other weaker That at the end of the motion, the sections of the population, labour foUowing be added, namely : laws and laws relating to hoarders and profiteers." (82) 'cbut regret 1hat there is no men tion in the Address about the That at the end of the motion, the failure to check the falling moral following be· added. namely : standards in public life." (77) "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the stench That at the end of the motion, the of corruption which perVades the following be added, namely: adminis tration and the wheels of industry stop moVing because of "but regret that in the Address there is inefficient ' lIla:Dagement, bureau no IDention about the failure ~o cratic attitude 'and corrup. put 'cutbs on consumption by tion." (83) rich." (78) That at the end or the motion, tho That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely; f ~Ilowinl be added, namely : "but reiret that in 'iq~ Addi-eSs' there "bot regret that in the Address there is is DO ~tion about the curtail- 201' Mlltioll of Thank, 011 PAUS~ 28, 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 202 ment of the State Governmen\S' following be added, namely :- powers." (84) '·but regret that in the Address there That at the end of the motion, the is no mention about the fact that following be added, namely ~- the fruits of tbe development are beyond the reach of a large sec I, tion of population." (90) "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the discrimina tory attitude in regard to the That at tbe end of the motion, the allocation of funds to the non following be added, namely : Congress (I) States." (85) cCbut regret that in the Address there is no mention of the failure That a t the end of tbe motion, the of the Government to evolve a following be added, namely :- policy to eradicate mass illiteracy from the Country." (91) ·'but regret that the Address fails to condemn survailance of innocent That at the end of the motion, the citizens by the intelligence agencies following be added, namely:- through tappi ng of telephones, censoring of their latters." (86) "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the undemo That at the end of the motion, the cratic management of the educa folJowing be added, namely :- tional institutions in the country and the steps the Government "but regret that the Address fails to propose to take to do away with condemn the discriminatory the undemocratic private mana attitute of the Government gement of the educational towards the people of West institutions." (92) Bengal and Tripura so far as Central Services are coneer ned. u (87) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely:- That at the end of the motion, the "but regret that in the Address there following be added, namely : is no mention about the need for the democratisation of tbe "but regret that the Address fails to University Acts." (93) mentien about the blatant misuse of the offi:ial media like All India That at the end of the motion, the Radio and Doordarshan in the following be added. namely :- General Election in December, 1984." (88) c'but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the need to That at the end of the motion, the fight all abscurantist, c,omrnunal ·followiag ,be Ildd«l, namely :- and undemocratic ideas in the field of education." (94) "but regret that the Address fails to mention about the increasing That at the end of the motion, tbe indebtedness of the coun follo,,";n& be added, namely : . try." (89) "~ut. regret that in, the Address there is That at the .end ,of the .~tiont the , DO ~.tioD . of. ,the need for 203 Motion of Thanks Oil JANUARY 18, 1985 President's ~dth. 204 inclusion of Nepali Maithili, That at the end of the motion, the Manipuri and Dogri languages in folJowin. be added, namely ; the Eighth Schedule to tbe Con. stitution. t9 (95) "but regret tbat tbe Address fails to mention the increasing rail acci That at the end of tbe motion, the den ts and derailments." (1 01) following be added, namely : That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely : "but regret tbat in the Address there is DO mention about meagre rural "but regret that in the Address there health and educational facilities is no mention about the fact that available in the rural areas." 196) the countryside is still outside the purview of the public distribution That at the end of the motion, the system." (102) following be added, namely : That at the end of the mention, the &'but regret that the Address fails to following be added, namely ; note the Central Government's discrimination against West Bengal and Tripura with regard to release Ubut regret that in the Address there is of foodgrains and other essential no mention about the prevailing articles." (97) bonded labour system in the cou ntry." (103) That at the end of the motion, the That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely : following be added, namely: "but regret that in the Address there is "but regret that in the Address there no mention about the child is no mention about the failure labour system prevailing in the of the Government in checking country." (104) the recurrence of flood havoc in the country." (98) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely: That at the end of the motion the following be added, namely : "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the failure of the Government to give land/property "but regret that in the Address there rights to refugees from earsthwhile is no mention of the need for East Pakistan now ~ttled in adequate financial help to the various parts of the coun States which are affected by the try." (lOS) drought, flood and other natural calamities." (99) That at the eod of the motion, the following be added, namely : That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely: "but regret that there is no mention in the Address about the failure of the Government to locate one of c'but repel that the Address fails to the proposed units of the Bharat .mention the increasin& insecurity Electronics Limited in West in rail travel." (100) Bengal." (106) 205 Motlo" 0/ Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Prelidellt's Address 206 That at the end of the motion, the is no mention about th~ rapidly following be added, namely: deteriorating international situa tion and the danger of war due "but regret that there is no mention to imperiaJists pursuing of tbeir in the Address about the failure policy of arms build-up, station of the Government to have a ing new and powerful nuclear policy of national minimum missiles in Europe, policing of wage." (107) Gu)f area and the Indian Ocean with the expansion of existing bases like the nuclearised Diego That at the end of the motion, tho Garcia and setting up of new following be added, namely: bases." (112) &'but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion, the no mention about the threat being following be added, namel y : posed to the peace and securi ty of the world by the U.S.A. due to its policy of heavy militarisa "but regret that in the Address there tion." (108) is no mention about the arming of Pakistan with lethal weapons by the United States of America That at the end of the motion, the and the resultant threat to the following be added, namely : country's security." (113) CCbut regret that in the Address there is no mention about the growing That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely: pressure from the multinationals for a free run of the underdeve loped countries so that neo-colo .. ~'but regret that in the Address there niaJism gets back what old col ani.. is no mention about the conti alism Jost." (109) nuance of U,S and Pakistan hostility and interference in the That at the end of the motion, the internal affairs of Afghanis following be added, namely: tan." (1 J 4) That at the end of the motion the "but regret that in the Address there is following be added, namely : • no mention about the genuine help rendered to India by the "but regret that in the Address there Socialist countries" (110) is no mention about the US war cries and resultant danger to That at the end of the motion, the world peace and security." (115) following be added, namely : That at the end of the motion, the "but regret that in the Address there fo))owing be added, namely : is no mention about the US naval blSe in Diego Garcia in the "but regret that in the Address there is Indian Ocean which is a constant no mention about the failure of threat to the security of the the Government to nationalise literal States." (111) all the foreign assets in the country." (116) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely: That at the end of the motion the following be added, namely: ' "but "Iret tbat in the Address tbcr~ ·'but rearet that in the A4dress there is 207 Motion o/Thanks 011 JANUARY 18, 1985 is no mention about the deterio no mention about the failure of rating economic situation in the the Government to nationalise country where the rate of inflation the monopoly holdings of our is increuing day by day resulting country." (11 7) in steep rise in the prices of essential commodities.·' (123) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, nameJy : That at tbe end of the motion, the followins be added, namely : "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the increas "but regret that in tbo Address there ing improverisation of the rural is no mention about the all round masses." (118) attack on tbe living standards of the people through increased That at the end of the motion, the taxation and attacks on the following be added, namely : wages of the workers That at the end of the motion, the "but regret that in the Address there following be added, namely : is no mention about need for the abolition of contract labour system in the country." (125) ubut regret that in the Address there is no mention about need for radical land reforms in the interest That at the end of the motion, the of the peasents and agricultural following be added, namely: labou rers." l120) 6'but regret that In the Address there That -at the end of the motion, the is no mention of the Governments following be added, namely : failure to ensure equal pay and facilities for working "but regret that in the Address there is women:~, (126) no mention about tbe failure of the Government to curb the mono That at the end of the motion, the polists and foreign multinationals following be added, namely: in the country." (121) "but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion, the DO mention about the failure to foUowing be added, namley : reach the goals of per capita minimum inceme and per capita "but regret that in the Address there mlDlmum availability of many is no mention about the fact that essential commodities to majority the Government is giving further of the population in the COUD concessions to the monopolists try," (127) and multinationals:' (122) That at the end of the motion, tho That at the end of the motion, the followiq be added, namely : folJowiDg be added, namely : "but Iell'Ct tbat in the Address tbere <. ·iI DO montioo. about tho Govern- 209 Motion of Thanks Oil PAUSA 28. 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 210 ment's failure to stand up to the iog atrocities on the Harijans expectations af(~used in tbe early minorities and other weaker years of planQing," (128) sections of the population in States like Gujarat, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and That at the end of t~ motion, the following be added, namely : Maharashtra." (134) ~'but regret that in tbe Address there is That at the end of the motion, the no mention about the conspicuous following be added, namely : qonsumption by the amuent and miserable living conditions of the "but regret that in the Address there vast majority of the common is no mention of the oppression people," (129) of tribals by non-tribals in the tribal belts." (135) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely : That at the end of the motion," the following be added, namely : ~ ~ 'but regret tha t in tbe Address there is no mention about the mounting "but regret that in the Address there unempolyment in tbe coun is no mention about the increas try," (130) ing menance of dowry and dowry deaths in the country.'· (136) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely: That at the end of the motion, the ~'but regret that in the Add ress there following be added, namely : is no mention about the increasing trend of under-emp}oyment in the "but regret that the Address failed to country," (131) condemn the incidents of increas ing rape by policemen and other That at the end of the motion, the law enforcing forces.'· (137) following be added, namely: That at the end of the motion, the "but regret that in tbe Address there following be added, namely :- is no mention about the inability of the Government to amend the '''but regret tbat in the Address there is Constitution to make right to no mention about the failure work a fundamental right." (132) of the Government to release money to the different States for That at the end of tbe motion, the the year 1984-85 as recommen .. following be added, namely: ded by the Eigbth Finance Com mission:' (138) ubut regret that in t\le Address there is DO mention about the in=reasing That at the end of the motion, the atrocities on women in the following be added namely :- coqntry," (1 33) "but regret that in the Address there is That at the cod -of tbe Ill:otion, the no mention about the need for foJlQwing be added, namely : setting up a Petro-chemical com plex at -Baldia in West Bengal 4fbut regret that in ,tbe -Address' there which tbe people of West Bengal is DO mention about the j~ .. are demanding since long." (1 39) 211 Motion 0/ Thanks Off JANUARY 18. 1985 President" s Address 2 t 2 letting up of a IDPL's unit in That at the end of the mo'ien, the West Bengal.'" (14~) following be added namely :- That at tbe end or the motion, the "but regret that in the Address there is following be added, namely :- no mention about the need for setting up of a ship repairing yard Hbut regret tbat in the Address there is in West Bengal." (140) no mention about the need for reopening of closed industrial That at tbe end of tbe motion, the units in West Bengal by nationa following be added, namely :- lising these units." ( 14 6) "but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion, the no mention about the need for following be added, namely :- setting up of a ship building com plex at Haldia in West Bengal. n 6'but regret that in the Address there is (141 ) no mention that unemployment allowance would be given to th~ That at the end of the motion, the unemployed persons till they get following be added, namely :- job." (147) "but regret tbat in the Address there is That at the end of tbe motion, tbe no mention about the need for following be added, namely :- setting up of an electronic unit in t\'est Bengal." (142) "hut regret that in the Address there is no mention that the post of Governor will be abolished and That at the end of the motion, the alternative institutional arrange following be added, namely :- ments made for maintaining chan nels of communication between "but regret tbat in the Address there is the Union and the States.'" (148) no mention a but the need for expansion and modernisation of That at the end. of the motion, the the Durgapur Steel Plant, Alloy foHowing be added, namely :- Steel Plant, Durgapur and lISCO" Burnpur and Kulti Works." (143) "but regret that in the Address there is no mention that tbe subject of That at the end of the motion, the education would be reverted into follOWing be added, namely :_ the State List." (149) . "but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion , the no mention about the delay in the following be added, namely:- part of the Central Government to clear the West Bengal Govern "but regret that the Address fails to ment's proposal to set up new mention that there is need for Power unit in the State." (144) special grants for universities which the States cannot need." 1bat at the end of the motion, the (1 SO) following be added, namely : That at the end of the motion,. the following be added, namely :- "but regret that in the Address there is 00 mention about the need for "but relret that in the Address there is 213 Motion of'11zanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) President's Address 214 no mention about the need for mention that the objectives as deletion of the Concurrent List adumbrated in the Industries and the transfer of each of the (Development and Regulation) items covered by it to the State Act 1951 would be re-defined, List; (b) need for deletion of and the responsibility for overall article 248 and introduction of an planning and licensing of indus explicit provision so that the resi tries would be transferred to the duary powers vest with the States States.u (155) and not with the Union; (c) need for deletion of, or amend.. That at the end of the motion, the ments to. articles 249, 252 and following be added, namely :- 254 so tbat no State could be deprived of any legislative powers "but regret that in the Address there is which belong to it without its no mention about the need for prior concurrence, (d) need for setting up of a nuclear plant in deletion of articles 200 and 201 West Bengal." (156) in their present form, and making it obligatory on the part of the Governor to give assent to all That at the end of the motion, the bills passed by the State Legisla following be added, namely :- ture on items belonging to the State List," (151) "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the need for That at the end of the motion, the introduction of a super fast train following be added, namely : between New Delhi and Hawrah," ( 157) ~'but regret tbat the Address fails to mention that the articles 247 to That at the end of the motion, the 254 would be so amended that following be added, namely ;- the Union GovernmenCs power to legislate on items belonging to the "but regret that in tbe Address there is State List do not exceed beyond a no mention doubt the need for period of six months," (152) extension of suburban facilities upto Asansol, West Bengal." That at the end of the motion, the (158) following be added, namely :- "but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion, the no mention that the State Govern followi ng be added, namely :- ments would be allowed parallel jurisdiction over radio and tele "but regret that in the Address there vision." (15; ) is no mention about the nee d for introduction of EMU coaches bet That at the end of the motion, the ween AsansoI and Burdwan." . following be added, namely :- (159) "but regret that in the Address there is no mention that the planning That at the end of the motion. the would be decentralised right up to following be added, namely :- tbe village level." ( 1 5 4 ) "but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of tho motion, the no mention about the need for following be added, namely:- construction of a new railway line between Raniganj to Bankura via "but regret that the Address fails to Mejia." (160) 21S Motion of Thank! on JANUARY 18, 1985 President's Address 216 DO mention about the mining That at the end of the motion, the ·accidents resulti~g In death of following be added, namely :- several hundred .mine workers." (166) "but regret tbat in the Address there is no mention about the need for That at the end of the motion, the electrification of Bandel-Katwa following be added, na me)y :- line and the construction of double line between Bandel and "but regret that in the Address there is Katwa." (161) no mention about the failure of the Government to acquire sur That at the end of the motion, the plus land in the country and following be added, namely :- distribute the Ian d to the landless labourers." (167) "but regret that in tbe Address there is DO mention about the need for That at the end of the motion, tbe setting up of a HMT unit in following be added, namely :- West Bengal." (162) "but regret tbat in tbe Address there is That at the end of the motion, the no mention about the increasing follOWing be added, namely :- number of rail accidents in the country." l168) "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the per capita That at the end of the motion, the availabiJity of many essential arti following be added, namely : cles which far short of the goals set for the Government in the "but regret that in the Address there is early years of planning." ( 1 6 3 ) no mention about minimum wage to be introduced for work That at tbe end of the motion the ing people." (169) following be added, namely :- "but regret that in the Address there is That at the end of the motion, the no mention about the large num following be added, namely :- ber of bills passed by the West .Bengal Assembly which are pen "but regret that in the Address there is ding with the Central Govern no mention about the failure of ment for Presidential assent since tbe Government to carry out the long." (164) directive principles in the Consti tution as embodied in articles 38, 39 and 40 to 50 in Part IV of That at the end of the motion, the the Constitution." (170) . following be added, namely :- "but target that in the Address there is That at tbe end of the motion, the no mention about tbe failure of following be added, namely;- the Government to curb the acti vities of notorious bootleggers in "but regret that in the Address there is the capital." (165) no mention about tbe failure of tbe Government to guarantee the That at the end of the motion, the trade unions their right of collec foJlowins be added, namely :- t ive bargaining and trade onion rights without any dicerimination.'· ·'but re,ret that in the Address there is (171) 217 Motion of Thanks on JANUARY 18, 1985 President's Address 218 That at the end of the motion, the That at the end of the motion, tbe following be added, namely :- fonowing be added, namely :- "but regret that in the Address there is "but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the failure of no mention about the need to the Government to set up a Com nationalise foreign capital in the mittee consisting of sitting judges country in order to bUild a strong of High Courts to rectify the self reliant economy." (177) existing erroneous working class consumer price index." (172) That at the end of the motion the following be added, namely :- That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely :- Hbut regret that in the Address there is no mention about the root causes "but regret that in the Address there is which harm the unity and integrity no mention about the mismanage of the country and failure to de ment and mal-administration in fine the ways to root them out " jndustria1 units taken over by the (178) Government." (1 73) That at the end of the motion, the That at the end of the motion, the foJIowing be added, namely :- following be added, namely :- Hbut regret that in the Address there is no mention about the need to "but regret that in the Address there is immediately implement compul no mention a bout the unpreceden sory and universa 1 school educa ted use of money power during tion in the country." (179) the Lok Sabba General elections in 1984.H (174) That at the end of the motion, the That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely :- fol1owing be added, namely :- ·'but regret that in the Address there is no mention about the unequivocal "but regret that in the Address there is condemnation of multinational no mention about the U.S. im companies which produce harmful periaHsm which is trying to materials and their utter neglect distabilise India though its nefari of all safety laws that led to the ous activities of aiding aad encou disaster as recently happened in raging secessionist forces within Bhopal gas tragedy.H (180) the country." (175) That at the end of the motion the That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely :- ) fol1owing be lidded, namely :- "but regret that in the Address there is "but regret that in· the Address there is . no mention of U.S. imperialism no mention about the sinister role 'which is trying to encircle India played by the multinationals in "by establishing military bases tbe third world by passing on ,around our 'country and by sup their discarded technologies." plying sophisticated arms to the . (181) '~naimea hostile to democracy." (176) That at tbe end of the motion, the 219 Motion o/Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 {SAKA) President's Address 220 following be added, namely : Bhopal tragedy with a view to alleviating the obnoxious effects." (186) hbut regret that in the Address there is no mention about tbe need for SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA abandonment of the Government's RAO (Vijaywada) : I beg to move: present policy of wooing tbe multinationals," (182) That at the end of the motion, the That at the end of the motion the following be added, namely : following be added, namely : "but regret that the Address does not "but regret that in the Address there mention the need for giving is nO mention about the failure remunerative prices to the agri of the Government to take culturists and tbe need to ma n immediate review of the safety tain parity between the prices of systems in all the potentially agricultural produce and industrial hazardous plants in the country products and inputs." (187) after the Bhopal tragedy." (183) That at the end of the motion, the That at the end of the motion the following be added, namely: following be added, namely : ubut regret that the Address does not "but regret that in the Address there is mention any measures to construct no mention about the Govern a nuclear power plant near ment's deep concern Over tbe Nagarjuna Sagar Project which reported visit of a number of will be highly useful to all the chemical war experts from USA, Southern States." (188) West Germany, U.K. to Bhopal in view of the spiralling chemical That at the end of the motion, the arms race by these countries following be added, namely : providing them an opportunity to evaluate the potential of MIC in such warfare." (184) ~'but regret that the Address does not mention the necessity of a radical change in the porcies adopted by That at the end of the motion the the Government hitherto and give following be added, namely : agricultural top-most priority, small and cottage industries, '~but regret that in tbe Address there is second priority and big industries no mention about tbe fail ure of third priority to reduce economic the Government to hold proceed disparties and to provide more ings of the Enquiry Commission employment opportunities." (189) on Bhopal tragedy in public and need for tbe report being made public without delay." (185) That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely : That at the end of the motion the following be added, namely : Ubut regret that the Address does not take Dote tbat even now Ubut regret that in tbe Address there more than thirty crores of people is no mention about the failure are below tbe poverty-line." (190) of the Government to take long term investigation measures OD That at the end of tbe motion, the 221 Motion of Thanks on PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) Resolution re : Measures 222 Presidents Addres$ to Eradicate Poverty following be added, namely: That at the end of the motion, the following be added, namely : "but regret that the Address does not take note that even now more than sixty per cent of the people ·'but regret that there is no mention are iI1iterate." (191) in the Address that in spite of implementation of six develop ment plans and spending huge That at the end of the motion, the amounts for alleviation of poverty following be added, namely : there is marginal al1eviation of poverty and fifty per cent popula "but regret that the Address does not tion is stil1 living below poverty contain any assurance that the line." (248) poor people will !et rice at rupees two per kg. to enable the family to have meal at least once SHRI S.M. BHAITAM (Visakhapat in a day.~' (192) nam) : I beg to move: That at t!1e end of the motion, the That at the end of the motion, the foHowing be added, namely: following be added, namely : Ubut regret that the Address does not "but regret that in the Address, there suggest any measures to help the is no mention of the failure of poor people to get cloth at a the Government to take adequa te cheap price within his precautionary measure to protect reach." (193) the life of the late Prime Minister. Smt. Indira Gandhi even though That at the end of the motion, the she herself declared on more following be added. ,namely : than one occassion and more specially in her last address in "but regret that the Address does not Orissa that there was a threat and mention the necessity to decen danger to her life." (255) tralise some powers of Union Government so that the State Governments can play bigger That at the end of motion, the follow role in the development of ing be added, namely : States." (194) '-but regret that in the Address there DR. DATTA SAMANT (Bombay is no mention of 330 million per South eentr al) : I beg to move: sons living below the poverty line and the ever increasing problem of unemployment and steep rise That at the end of the motion, the in prices." (256) following be added, namely : "but regret that there is no mention in the Address of the failure of tbe Government to take appro 15.31 hrs, priate measures at proper time to avoid sickness in textiles RESOLUTION RE : MEASURES TO industry in the country and taking ERADICATE POVERTY appropriate stem measures against mill- owners who have misappro {English] priated crores of rupees rendering MR. CHAIRMAN: Now, we proceed 'Iakhs of workers jobless." (247) with the Private Members' Business. 223 Resolation re : Measures JANUARY 18, 1985 to Eradicate Poverty 224 [Mr. Chairman] How do we define poverty? There are Before we take up the Resolution of Pro various ways in whicb 'poverty' has beeo. fessor Madhu Dandavate, we have to fix defined in different countries but as far as time for this Resolution. Let us fix two our country is concerned even the existing hours to start with. Planning Commission has accepted a cer tain connota tion of poverty line and during this discussion I would like to pro.. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ceed on that basis. (Rajapur): Madam Chairman, I beg to move: According to the Planning aU the per sons who are not able to have in rural "That this House expresses its concern areas consumption of calories of the order over tbe failure of the Government of 2400 or those inhabitants of the urban to lift vast sections of tbe masses areas who are not able to have consump .. above the poverty line and de tion of 2100 calories, they are supposed mands concrete measures to to be tbe people living below the poverty eradicate poverty from the line. That is the old concept and the country.)" present Planning Commission has already accepted this concept. This is in terms Madam Chairman, for a country like of calories. India-a developing country-the pro blem of priorites is of extreme importance. If we try to have it in terms of income In a country like ours huge expenditure equivalent on the basis of 1979-80 prices on expensive Asiad or five star hotels or it will come to Rs. 76 per capita per huge tourist centres or colour TV or for month in the rural areas, Remember, 76 that matter on metro railway cannot be per capi ta per mC'nth in the rural areas a priority in this land of Gandbiji. Eradi and Rs. 88 per capita per month in the cation of poverty and the necessary Urban areas. These are supposed to be developmental projects which will assist income equivalents of poverty line. this process are really speaking the priori ties. Our COncern for eradication of THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE poverty from five lakh villages in the DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH (SHRI country and also the poverty of the urban YOGENORA MAKWANA): It is poor-that bas to be the priority and look 65 and 75. ing from that point nf view all the poli cies need to be re.oriented. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I am quoting the figures from the Econo Madam Chairman, permit me to say mic and Political weekly ia which the that in a country like India in the deve Advisor to the Perspective Planning Divi lopmental projects what we find is that sion of tbe Planniog Commission under more and more people are going belOW the his own signature has given this figure. poverty line. I think tbose who live below the povery line can be described as or SHRI YOGENDRA MAKWANA phans of our development and we have There is the Sixth Plan Document. In too many orphans of development in our rural areas il is 65 and in Urban areas it country and tbat is the tragedy of our is 75. Price 'base is 1970.71. ~. PROP. MADHU DANDAVATB "bile analysing the entire problem of Anyway, I am proceeding on tbe 'basis of poverty and taking cognizance as to bow my own con¢lusions drawn from the the problem of poverty is being tackled documents which are on the basis of cer and what type of new projects and new tain articles written and signed by certain development schemes are required let us individuals. If you come to the equiva &rat atUt with the \'elY Rs.I08 per capita per month in rural areas below the poverty line is 3.7 miJIion per and Rs. 1 30 per capita per month in sons per year. Roughly we can say that urban areas. These have been calculated each year that passes adds to the persons on the basis of a packet which contains below tbe poverty line an addition of 307 bare requirements of food and (""Crtain millions persons. If that is the proposi Doo"food requirements. They are taken tion what is the poverty ratio,? An together and on the basis of that the important indicator of poverty is the ratio entire packet has been worked out. If of number of people living below poverty you accept this as 3 concept and as defini line divided by the country's total popula tion of poverty line it is interesting to tion. Here we find that poverty ratio note what are the dimensions of poverty turns out to be 46.45 per cent on the in this country. The dimensions of poverty basis of earlier estimates. If the subse also can be explained on the basis of quent estimate of 370 million is taken as available data. correct, then what bappen is this. In that case the higher estimate on I will not speak without reference. I poverty ratio appears to be 56.6%. A would like to place before the House as simple meaning of these facts is t'tat either far as possible authentic information. 46.45% of India's population Jives below Here I have the Economic and Political the poverty line or 56.6% of India's Weekly of April, 1984. There is an arti population lives below the poverty line. cle by Shri S.P. Guha, Adviser, Perspec tive Planning Division of the Planning Commission. I quote those figures. What THE MINISTER OF STA TE IN THE is the exact estimate of people living below DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH (SHRI poverty line? Of course there are varying YOGENDRA MAKWANA): But accord estimates. But I would like to stick to ing to the mid-term appraisal, it is only those estimates which are acceptable to 42%. It is according to the Planning Mr Guha who is Adviser to the Perspec Commission's Sixth Plan document. Ear tive Planning Division of the Planning lier it was 50%. Commission. In 1961 it is estimated that 240 million persons lived below the pov THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE erty line. In 1978 the estimate which AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (SHRI was prepared mentions tbat 309 mill ions BUT A SINGH); Perhaps it suits him to lived below poverty line. Of course there quote, like this. is one more estimate Eoough docu ments are not available. But some research scientists have worked on that. Their PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Yes estimate is this. In 1978 not 309 millions but while replying you can lift some peo lived below poverty line but 370 millions. ple above the poverty line. The figures So the two probable figures available are that has been given by the hon, Minister, 309 Or 3 ~ 0 millions. The same author that is, 42% is also bad enough as far as gives this figure. The annual increase in the poverty is concerned. Then again, in the number helow poverty line is 3.6 2000A.D. if you porejct these figures, million persons per year. Of course it it is estimated that 394 milliens wiJI be takes cognisance of the fact tbat some per living below the poverty line, a disastrous sons \\ ho were below poverty line were picture. Of course, it is not always pro Hfted due to various anti· poverty mea per to mechanically project the same sures taken by Government. At the same figures into the future. But after all, in time because of renewed unemployment or economics the method of extrapolation is because certain productive assets have not always utilised and, therefore, I have been made available in rural and urban utilised that methodology of working out areas certain new sections are driven be the figures for the future. We can ima low poverty line. If you take the aggre gine that jf the same pace continues and gate number it is estimated that on an at the same rate at which every year 3. 7 average the annual increase in the number million people are added to the number 227 Resolution re. : Measur~s JANUARY 18, 198$ to Eradicate Poverty 228 [Prof. Madbu Dandavote] public, even to this date the National Sample Survey findings are not made of people living below poverty line, a available to the public. I hope the ,new dangerous proposal will emerge and in the young Prime Minister will direct all the year 2000 A.D. we might have 394 department concerned to collect the miUion people living below the poverty findings of the National Sample Survey of line. What will it mean? It will mean that consumption expenditure made in 1983. in the year. 2000 A. D. those who live so that we can discuss the proposition in below the poverty line in India will be the light of the latest figures that are more than the population of India made available. The Government is when India become free in 1947. sitting tight over the findings including the persons below the poverty line. Latest figures is not available. We are Whether we sit on the side of only going back to some of the earlier Opposition or the Treasury benches, the findings that are available. Even if we fact would be that in 2000 A.D. the take recourse to what has been said in number of persons living below the the Five-Year Plan, we will be taking poverty -Jine are going to be 394 millions, recourse to the old statistics. My friend that is, more than the population of wi 11 agree with me that the latest figures India when India was liberated in 1947 of 1983 have not been made avaiJable to It is a staggering proposition and a this House, ParJiament will know the dangerous proposition and therefore that latest picture of poverty only in the is to be met, When my friend, Mr. Biju eventuality of making those figures Patnaik. the former Chief Minister of available to us. Orissa was sitting by my side in the morning, I tried to find out certain figures relating to Orissa which is considered to The per capita income growth from be an extremely under developed territory 1961 to 1978 is only 1.4 per cent per of our country_ I was told that in 1961 year and the poverty ratio have remained when Mr. B;ju Patoaik happened to be almost unchanged in this particular the Chief Minister, he had quoted 00 the period and that is how the problem of floor of the House as the Chief Minister poverty in this country has become of Orissa I was told of the figure of extremely stupendous Let us try to go 35 %-tbat 60 lakhs of persons were into the causes of this poverty in the below the poverty line in Orissa and in country before we"' go to measures and 1984, it was 85%. That means 2.70 streamlining of these m~asures which are crores live below the poverty line in anti-poverty measures in the country. Orissa. I am deliberatly choosing an inustratjon~ an extremly backward area in the country where the per capita The first and for,most aspect is the income is ext, em ley low~ where priorities unequal distribution of land and other for developmental activities are very productivity assets and skills. We can low and where we find operations of very well estimate roughly that 25 per economic activities are extremely low. cent of the population is landless and 8 Then, what about the find ings of the per cent of the population is unemployed National Sam! ,Ie Survey of I 983 ? I in rural and urban areas. At any point would refer to the latest Naticnll of time in Ind a about 21.5 million Sample Survey Report. The latest persons are supposed to be unemployed National Sample Survey was con Some who have got employment might ducted in I 983 and let me record my Jose it in the course of time, some may strongest protest that though a number of become unemployed and some may get economists have demanded repeatedly, employment, If we take into account the though a number of research fellows and aggregate picture it is estimated that at scientists have demaoced consistently that any point of time ID India 21.5 million the National Sample Survey Findings of persons are 41nemp]oyed. This bas alSO J 9 8 ~ should be made available to tbe contributed to the d:mensions of poverty. 22? Resolution re : Measures PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) to Eradicate Poverty 230 Then, we have low per capita income borne djseases like cholera and guinea growth and, therefore, there is hardly any worms were commen. A recent study trickling down. Tbere are low land made by the Programme EvaluatiOD holdings without availability of inputs like Organisation of the Planning Commission seeds, water and fertilizers. And, here, has shown that even where such facilities Madam, I do not want to take much of were available, the scheduled castes and your time, because tbe aggregate time that other weaker sections did not benefit you are going to give to this discussion is much from them. This is the conclusion nearly two hOUfS, and obviously the time that they have drawn. that I should take has to be commensurate with the aggregate time. I du not, there fore, want to waste time of the House, but The report further says that from this only make a mention of a very interesting discussion, it is clear that poverty and document. abSOlute deprivation are wide speead in Indian villages. According to the Sixth Five Year Plan documents, in 1979-80, I have with me 'An Economic Assess one out of every two persons was ment of Poverty Eradication and Rural suffering from absolute poverty in rural Unemployment Alleviation Programmes India~ and their Prospects' prepared by the Institute of Financial Mana gement and As my friend, the hone Minister is very Researeh, Madras. It is a reputed organi much enamoured about the Plan Docu sation of social and economic scientists. ment, I am quoting this document now. They have a number of teams of According to the Sixth Five Year Plan workers, and they have been able to get document. in 1979-80, one out of every the cooperation of R.f\.I. Hanavar, V.M. two persons was suffering from absol ute Gumaste, K. Seetharam and Kala poverty in rural India. That means in Rangachari. Wi th the help of these rural indIa, 50 per cent of the popula eminent men. they have been able to tion is living below the poverty line. This compile the report. They have given is the position. There are so many various charts and figures in which we are documents and so many programmes and able to find out how actually the various their consequent results have been men assets in this country are extremely tioned in this particular report. meagre. I do not want to take much of youe time, but would only indicate these figures. As far as these charts are con I do not want to take the time of celned, they try to indicate how uneven the House by going into them. is the distribution of assets. The distri But, what is the remedy? To eradicate bution of income and distribution of poverty in the country, what is being assets is extremely bad. For instance, the done? Wha t is the inadequacy of the cnart that is given on page 3 of this existing sources and various measures that report indicates that as far as durable are adopted by the Government? The household assets are concerned, they are growth rate must go up by 6 to 7 per onJy S per cent, live stock 6 per cent, . cent. I am referring to the aggregate implements and machioery 3 per cent, growth, i.e agricultural and industrial land 66 per cent and dwellings 20 growth. Unless we are able to ensure in per cent. This is the distribution of this country an aggregate growth of 6 to various assets. As I told you earlier, 25· 7 per cent, it will not be possible for us per cent are landless. to meet the requirements of the task of erad icating poverty in the country. Then only we can be sure that Now, other features of Indian villages. unemployment will decrease. Incidentally In 1981, out of 5.S lakh villages in the I may mention that in China the growth country, nearly 2 laths villages did not rate for tbe last twenty years is about S have a satisfactory or assured source of per cent. Even then, the problem is not driDkina water. Consequently. water. completely solved. But they are able to 231 Resolution re : Measures JANUARY 18. t 985 to Eradicate Poverty 232 [Prof. Madhu Dandavate] ten you that people, whe ther they belong eradicate poverty to a great extent. Popu to the Ruling Party or the Opposition, lation growth rate in this country i,s 2.2 aimost all of them from their own experi· per cent for the last twenty years. It has ence at the present moment, have come to to be at least half of that. or course, if the conclusion that any rural worker, not we are able to achieve a zero growth rate necessarily the landless, should be included of population, that will be an ideal solu in the RLEGP Scheme. And the reason is tion. But knowing the potentialities of the the small peasant, who has just half a people of this country, I am afraid, pro hectare or one hectare, works on his own bably zero growth rate will not be achi land and he and even t he other members eved. But at least we should be able to who work on the land have to be included halve this rate. and for that a change is necessary. Then~ the merger of NREP and RLEGP Schemes is absolutely necessary. At pre Land reforms are almost out of the sent in the implementation of these agenda of various State Governments. No schemes, there is a restriction on the doubt, there are certain radical postures number of days that a Worker has to in certain Governments, but by and large, work, Unfortunately, the position in the the problem of ceiling and effective rural areas is such that this particular impJementation is just absent and as a restriction regarding the number of days result of that, you will find that the prob for which the workers are forced to work lem of eradication of poverty has become cannot be satisfied and as a result of extremely difficult. In urban areas~ as far that they are unable to become the bene .. as the organised sector is concerned, it is ficiaries of these particular schemes. And, able to organise itself effecti ve)y and as a therefore, I further propose that this result of that the organised sector is the particular condition regarding the number beneficiary of certain economic proposi of days of work need not be imposed. tions. But as far as the unorganised sector is concerned, whether it is in the urban or tbe rural areas, it r~mained totany neg1ec Let us come to the Food for Work ted aod as a result of that the problem of programme. This is one of the imoor poverty bas become extremely difficult. tant schemes. I welcome it. When Janata Party was in power, we tried our best to implement this scheme. I am What is the way out? Measures are very happy to rec.apitulate that during required to be streamlined. Various anti the Janata regime when we implemented poverty measures should be streamlined. it during 1977 ~ 79, 5 miJ1ion tonnes of We have the Integrated Rural Develop foodgrains were made available to it. to ment Programme (IRDP). We have the be given to the workers who were work National Rural Employment Programme ing under this scheme It succeeded to (NRBP). We have the Rural Landless a very great extent. Employment Guarantee Programme (RLBGP). All these programmes nepd to be streamlined. Look at \'o;lr own experi SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA ence. What are the ways in which thes:! (Robertsganj) : Not succeeded. are being implemented ? Unless every rural worker and not nece~sarily landless PROP. MADHU DANDAVATE one, is included in this scheme of Yes, it succeeded. Again, the Minister National Rural Employment Programme, will agree with me. I wiJI quote the we cannot tackle the problem effectively. PJanning Commission. (Interruption) Why I represent a constituency which is 90 to do you want to exercise your right of 9S per cent a rural parliamentary consti ignorance '1 For the edification of the tuency and I can tell you this from my hon. Member and for confirmation from own experience in a rural parliamentary the hon Minister. I shall quote from the C-ODstituency and also in many other parts Evaluation Committee. The Planning of t:t.! Srale wbkb are rural areas I can [Translation) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Madam. I have very carefully said that SHRI BAPULAL MALVIYA (Shaja the Food for Work scheme has not been pur) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, during the discarded. I made it very clear. 1 said Janata Party regime. there the leaders that it should be extended to further areas. had s\\:allowed everything. More foodgrains should be made available. [English] SHRI BUTA SINGH: It has been PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : done on a much larger scale. One of the members of the ruling party is confirming what I have said So, I am PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I not taking any parti~an attitude. It is the wilt give the hon. Minister figures also, experience of aU those people who come Formerly, 5 minion tonnes were made from rural constituencies-even the available for the Food for Work pro village authorities, various officers and sramme. Now according to available bureaucrats are invelved in a large information, half a million tonnes were number of corrupt practices Therefore. made available. Therefore, my construc this particular scheme has to be tightened tive' proposal is: go on stepping up the UP. I do not want to throw the baby 235 Resolution re : Measures JANUAR.Y 18, 198' to Eradicate Poverty 236 [Prof. Madhu Daftdavate] areas. Here a veteran Gandbian like Prof. with tbe bathwater, because some people Ruga is there. I am sure he will join are indulling in corruption. The good m. in making a demand that the Antyo schemes that the government has launched, daya Scheme and Programme is the soul 1 do not want those schemes to be of Oandbiao approach to economic thrown away and, therefore, I repeat, I problems. Gandbiji once said : "Who do not want to throw the baby with the should get priorilY in the economic uplift bathwater. I only want corruption to in the country ? Uoto the lase 'Y, the last be eradicated, because if these sch.!mes man in tbe society lifts on his shoulders the burden of the entire society and when become successfu1 9 that will be a great instrument in eradicating poverty on the that lowest man is lifted up, the entire rural side. In Economic journals they society will get lifted and the entire have made a rough estimate. Some of the society will get liberated. Therefore, I economic, scientists have worked out and would like the present Government to see quantified this corruption impact; and that more allocclti ons are made for this tbey have said that as a result of thi.., particuJar scheme. corruption which exists in these schemes. 60 per cent of tbe benefits whicb ought to I would in the end make one appeal go to the poorer people are not able to to the new gov.!rnment and the new reach the poorer people; that is the end Prime Minister. There is a certain impact of the corruption practices in this developmental prospective, I have beell field and, therefore, they should be reading tbe various statements issued on removed. There are technical defects in behalf of the government; I bave been lRDP schemes, They should be removed trying to study the economic policy and by providing a proper infrastructure. the perspective of the new Government, 1 You go to the officers who are involved only want to war n the new and young in running the schemes, you go to the Prime Minister that in this land of Gandhi planners who support these schemes, you ji, don't be merely after sophisticated com go to tbe members of the Tuling party ill puterised administration in tbe country. the rural areas, tbey say, the scb!:nes are No doubt computer will give you quick good but the neccessary infra~tru:;ture is results, but if you only try to have the absent; and therefore, if a proper computerised sophisticated administration infrastructure is built up, these schemes which will cater to the development of the em give you better benefits, top echelons in the society and hope that whatever is developed --at the top echelons will percolate down according to the Not more than 25 per cent of tbe theory of percolation and whatever per beneficiaries of the schemes are lifted colates down to the grass-root level above the poverty line for years. If you will be the development of the grass-root take tbe statistics you will find as a result of these schemes and other schemes level" reject that theory, because that theory is not Gandhiji's idea. how maoy people are lifted above tbe poverty Hne; and you will also find that that figure is not more than 25 per I would like to draw the attention of cent. the old men in this House to a monu mental book hGandhiji-The Last Phase~~ written by an eminent Gandhian, pyare. Then there is a scheme of Antyodaya. lal. He has written an introduction to This scheme tries to identify S poorest that book. At the close of that intro families in every village and tries to make duction-Plof. Ranga Pyarelal says, tbem stand on tbeir own Jegs by giving when the foreign dignitaries come to tbis them tbe productive assets and various country, we take them to the Gandhi types of implements. I think this scheme Samadhi ; we show them Five Star SO far bas been made effective only in a Hotels ; we show tbem huge steel mills; limited Dumber of resions. I am sure this and when they leave the country, they IChomo can be extended to almost all the say, we have seen India, but where is 237 Resolution re ~ Measures PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) fo Eradicate Poverty 238 "'Gandhiji"s Indian? And pyarelal also C 'according to the scheduled programmo questions, this is not the question to be because of increase in popula asked from the government alone; this is rionn. (1) the question that each man owing loyalty to i, Gandhiji's ideals in this country has MIt. CHAIRMAN Resolutioa to ask himself because we ourselves want moved: to reorient our luxury.oriented life and therefore this aspect is also important. I "'That Hou~e expresses its concern over would like the new Prime Minister tG the fail ure of the Government to reject this percolation theory of develop lift vast sectiom of the masses ment th(\t is, have sophisticated com above the poverty line and puterised administration, which w ill be demands concrete measurers to an elitist approach catering to the ne~ds eradicate poverty from tke COUD of the affiuent and the semi-amuent try'" • classes; allow the developmental activities to cater to the needs of affluent and semi amuents. allow this kind of development Now Shri Ram Pyare Panika. to percolate down, and if at all that toucher your life at the grass, rC'ot level, that will be the development at the grass [Translation] root level ! Reject this perspective. This SHRI RAM PYARE PANIK A ~annot be the prspective of Mahatma (Robertsganj) : Madam Chairman, I have Gandhi and I am sure if that is done..... great regards for Prof. Madhu Dandavate. He is the seniof-[J)()st Member of tbe MR CHATRMAN: You have taken House and today I agree with him OD tmlf·anwhouT. Let me explain the position. many points raised by him. There are eleven persons to speak On this Motion. Therefore, please conclude~ Filst of aU. regarding the figures sub mitted by him about percentage. Honour PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE abl~ Minister of Agriculture has himself Madam Chairman, you will find that I corrected f hem and said that in tbe mid am a disciplined Parliamentarian. I will term appraisal of Sixth Fhe Year Plan, say, bJwirl down to your wishes, I will the Governrr.eot had themselves accepted conclude. it to be 42 percent. There is no difference of opinion about it. Secondly. he bas mentioned the causes of poverty. I do MR. CHAIRMAN : You can take not disagree with him in th;s matter too. some mOre time and concl ude. Abruptly, Hut I disagree with the views expressed you are concluding. by him about the achievements of the Janata Party lie ~aid dunng the course of his speech that poverty could be PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: eradicated from this country only jf the have anticipated your remarks. agricul tural production would be 6.7 per cent per year. I agree to it. MR.. CHAIR MAN ~ There is one amendm~nt. Shri Mool Chand Daga, you PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : If have to move your amendment. you permit. I withdraw what I bad said about the achievements of Janata Party. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali) : I beg to move: SHRI RAM PYARE PANlKA : I want to remind him about the Janata That in the resolution~- regime. when he was tbe Minister of Railways. During tbe Janata rule, tbey had badly sbat teted the economy and 239 Resolution re: ,Measures JANUARY 18, 1985 to Eradicate Poverty 240 [Shri Ram Pyare Panika] mmes. Tbe pace at which we have today they expect that agricultural pro advancCd these programmes is before tbe duction should be 6.7 percent. I would nation. This is the reason why only those like to remind him that during 1979-80" people are sitting here today on whom they had shattered the economy to such the proverb "Punarmushkobhav" applies. an extent that agricultural production The slogan of "Ham do-Hamare do" declined by 1 7 percent and the ind Llstrial (we are two-we should have two) was production which was 10 percent during given by B.J. p. I would like to con emergency period declined to 1.4 percent. gratulate the B.J .P. for having translated These were their achievements Tne this slogan into reality for themselves economy which was progressing day by today. The people of India have become day was shattered by them by introducing enlightened. The people of the country have tbe new element of rolling plan. The welcomed all these steps whether it was a industrial infrastructure bewg the question of lifting the people above the economic base of the country was dt!s poverty line or it related to agricultural troyed by them. Production in every production. I congratulate our new Prime sphere had declined, whetber it was steel Minister for following aU those pOlicies cement electricity or coal. Due to which were adopted by our late Prime shortage of coal not only power statiuns Minister I do nOt want to go into its details. were closed but also passenger and goods It has been stated here that land has not trains had to be cancened. been distributed properly. Is it not a fact that we have taken progressive steps for making improvements in this regard? It In 1980, our late Prime Minister is correct that there are some elements in assumed the leadership of the country_ the society .... (interruptions). Congress She promised that her 'Governm~n t WOL) U hos worked in this direction from the bring prosperity in the country and soci<:ll very beg;nning. Zamindari system and disparities WOuld be removed and she princely states were abolished and we carried on country's administration on enact'!d land ceiling Act. If necessary, these lines and the results had com~ some more stringent steps shall be taken. before us during this period of four years. The D.l.P. has been against the steps for Only yesterday, our PresIdent made a hringing about socialism from the mention about coal, cement and electricity beginning, whether it was the question of production JOin his Address. OUI target of nationallsation of banks, abolition of electricity generation was 19 thousand princely states or imposition of land Megawatts during the SIxth PJan period. ceiling I agree that family planning is the Despite all odJs, we cou'd produce 14 need of the hour and this is a major tbousand Megawatts of electricity. Per problem confronting tbe entire country. capita utilisation of electricity i'i the The nut-shell of this problem is that criterion for determiniag whether a owing to growing population we are not country ii developed or not. Achievement achieving the progress to the desired in this respect has been ~atisfactory. extent. Is it not a fact that in 1977 (Interruptions) I want to lell you that for people sittmg on the other side misguided the people who are living below the the entire nation by raising the slogan of poverty line. we introduced variOll§ bringing about total revo!ution under the programmes such as N.R.E.P. and Jeadership of Shri Jai Prakash Narayan R L.E.G.P. Only yesterday, our President and by opposing the family planning told us as to how more than 1 4 programme they came here in majority million people were hifted above the Later OD, the people were disillusioned poverty line during these few years. I and that was why they could not complete want to remind Prof. Madhu Dandavate even two and a half years whereas they what the condition of banks was at that were supposed to run the Government for time. I agree that difficulties arise when a full term of five years. The basic reason some new f\cbemes are formulated and for their failure was their j internal implemented The nationali'ed banks were differences. At tbat time tbey~ bad no asked to cooperate in an these progra- programme. 241 Resolution re : Measures PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) to Eradica t e Poverty 242 Prof. Dandavate spoke about Antyoday ment in the economy, we had not taken Programme. But I would like to say that loan of 1.4 bi1Iion S.D.R. from 1M.F. ? it was not a programme as such. That Does it not reflect that there was improve programme was intended to give benefit ment in our economy and that we are to their own workers only. If you look working for the removal of poverty? It at the 'programmes of their time, such as is also true that unless we make available Food for Work Programme for which they infrastructure for industries in the claim to have paid ru pees five lakhs, you country, neither industries can be increased will find that the people were not benefited nor any progress can be made in the field much by it. In this connection, the of agriculture. Can anybody deny that in figures can be seen to ascertain as to how all these matters we are progressing con many persons were benefited by those pro tinuously and achieving success? We are grammes. how much development work fully confident that under the leadership wa~ done at that time, to what extent of our new young Prime Minister, we will drinking water was provided and other progressively increase our programmes. achievements were made and what was We expect that Prof. Dandavate should the number of roads constructed in the make some constructive suggestions before villages. Here the expenditure of rupees five the House as he is a senior member of lakhs is not of much importance. The the House. Therefore, while expressing main question is that after spending rupees my thanks to Prof. Dandavate for bring five lakhs, to what extent construction work ing this Resolution, J am thankful to you was taken up and how much assets were Sir, for giving me this opportunity to take created for the country. Nothing was part in the debate. With this discussion, achieved in this respect. On the other one thing has become clear to the general hand, please have a look at OUf program public as to who is right and who is mes. Under our programmes we have been wrong and with whose policies the country working for the removal of poverty from could make agricultural and Industrial pro. the villages and taking steps for other gress and increase production. developmental works also. As I have said, in spite of all the natural calamities and other set-backs, we Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would Therefore, have crossed the target of national pro like to remind that nOw there is awaken duction fixed by us during the Sixth Five ing in the country. Now. the people of Year Plan and by the end of the year we the country. cannot be misguided. We have will be able to achieve more. Besides all respect for Prof. Madhu Dandavate, that, Our foreign exchange reserves have but all those things should be mentioned also gone up to Rs. 6.5 thousand crores. here which they had done during a period This shows that our policies have proved of 2t or 3 years when they were in power effective. We are progressing continuously and he should also see the achievements as a resul t of wh ich the people of the we have made in comparison with their country will be benefited. time. In 1980, we gave a Government that worked and you had seen the results of the work done by our Government. I [English] would like to draw your attention to the year 1982-83 when 21 crore people of SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- our country had to< face natural calamities WARA RAO (Vjjayawada): Madam owing to droughts, fioods, cyclones, etc. Chairman, while supporting the of which there is no example in the entire Resolution moved by my distinguished history. But at that time we saw to it tbat colleague, I would like to say a few words. no person die of hunger. In spite of all these difficulties, there was a considerable It is an irony that, after 37 years of improvement in our economy which Independence and self-rule, more than 3 ~ became stronger day by day. Is it not a crores of people i.e. 44 per cent of the fact tbat due to this remarkable improve- population, are stiil living below the 243 Resolution re : ,Measures JANUARY 18, 1985 .10 EradicaJe Poverty 244 [Shri Vadde Sobhanadreeswara Rao] much as a quarter of the world's cattle, pOverty line in our country, out of whom in spite of the functioning of several 26 crores of people are from the rural Dairy Development Corporations, we are areas and about 6 crores of people from producing only 5 per cent of the world's the urban areas, who do not havt! two milk supply, According to official figures, meals a day, It is really shameful to the per-capita availability of milk has find poor people fighting with the dogs come down from 1 32 grammes in 1 951 for the left-over in the leaves thrown out to 110 grammes in 1974, as against the at dinner parties in the cities and planning Commission's target of 210 towns. grammes. MR. CHAIRMAN: Are you reading it? The per capita availability of protein in the country has gone down from 2.15 ounces per day in 1951 to 1.4 ounce in SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA 1974. Lakhs of pregnant women and RAO: I am speaking for the first time. chiJdren below the age of five die every year in our country for lac k of sufficient PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He nutrition. I am told that the previous is anew-comer, who is making his maiden Health Minister told the House on 27th speech. February, 1975 that about 15,000 ~hildren go blind every year for want of vitamin A MR. CHAIRMAN: I would request him not to read the speech. He can refer to his Dotes. It is a paradox that while the national per capita availability of food per day is only 450 grammes, the jail ration fOr A SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- and B Class prisoners stands at 505 WARA RAO : I am only taking the help grammes and for C class labour prisoners of the notes. My mother tongue is 587 grammes A prisoner who commit Telugu. For the first time I am speak ted a great crime and is being punished is ing in English. getting better staple food in jail than a free citizen in this country While a MR. CHAIRMAN: It wiJI ereate a prisoner is getting 50 grammes of edible new precedent in this House. oil and 50 grammes of sugar per day, his counterpart outside the jail is not PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: So sure of getting even 9 grammes of oil and far as going by precedents is concerned, 1 8 grammes of sugar ref day. the Chair has given ruling a number of times that in the maiden speech more Madam, I need not remind you that 70 latitude will be given to the Member. per cent of our population a"e residing in But it should not be followed every the 5,75.000 villages and they consist of time. cultivators, tenants, agricultural labourers and village artisans, who indirectly depend MR. CHAIRMAN: So far as possible, upon the cultivators, for their livelihood. we should try to avoid it. Even after 3 7 years of governance by great leaders, who spoke so much abou t SHRI V_ SOBHANADREES- the socIalistic pattern of society and WARA RAO : It is really shameful to garibi hatao, nearly 60 per cent of the end poor people fighting with the dogs people are still illiterate and nearly for the left-over in the leaves thrown out 2,50,000 villages are still to be connected at dinner parties in the cities and with any type of road. Nearly 55 per towns. cent of the villages are stH to be provi ded electricity. Lakbs of villages are Though this country accounts for as yet to be provided with safe drinking 245 Resolution re : Measllres PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) to Eradicate Poverty 246 water. Tense of la k hs of poor people are implement it throughout the country and sleeping on the pavments of metropolitan help the poorest of the poor. cities like Bombay and Calcutta. It will be sickening to find thousands of families Madam, if Food Corporation of India resi4ing in the RCC ring pipes in the losses can be minimised and the subsidy citIes. hitherto borne in supply of rice to the urban or rural middle and upper middle Madam, while the poor have become class people is removed, this programme poorer, the rich have become richer, the can definitely be taken up to help the very fact that a few families are now having poor. assets worth nearly 1,800 crores of rupees each, makes clear whom the policies of Madam, I request the Government the Government have helped. No doubt through you to remember that the Falher while the economic disparities reached of th~ Nation has told that "agriculture astronomkal heights, Madam, it is provides the on Iy unfailing and perennial unthinkable how with the present un support to the people of this country." employment position with more than One It is agriculture, which provides food, crore, 80 lakh unemployed on the live several raw materials for industries and register, this Government is going to also it is that sector which provides provide them employment. maximum employment opportunities for a fixed capital. UntoI tunately, because the Government is giving only step. "" adam, ar\! not the wrong polices and motherly treatment to this sector and its priorities of the Congress (I) responsible failure to give remunerative prices to the for this sorry state of affairs? Should agricultural produce, OUT productivity not the ruling party critically analyse, remained much lower ",hen compared to takt· stock of the situation and make several countries. Added to this because changes in the pol icies and restructure the Government of India allowed the the priorities? Madam, let us hope, at prices of industrial goods like tractors, least the young Prime Minister boldly steeL cement etc. etc, to increase day-by will accept the reality and lead the new day, the farmer is robbed of his meagre path for eradication of poverty, reduction income and his economic position is in clonomic dispariti.,s and social justice remaining the same. But perm it me to to aU. site one example, Madam. You know how the farmer puts his hard labour day Madam, you will agree that it is poor in and day out braving the vagaries of people who are paying more revenues to Monsoon and national calamities. the exchequer in the form of indirect Madam, let the Government tell what is taxes than the crorepatis. Then is it not the justification in permitting the price of the bounden duty of the Government of cement per bag to be increased by about India to see that every family at least get Rs 35/- in the past five years and giving a square meal a day 1 Madam, in thii only Rs. 10/- increase per tonne of sugar connection I want to bring to the notice cane in the past fi ve years. of this House through you that our Andhra Pradesh Government headed by Madam, the second priority should be Shri N. T. R:.:tma Rao is making available given to cottage and small industry. For to poor people rice at the rate of Rs. 2 f a country with seventy crore population, per kilogram. Our Government feels it comparatively less land, and scarce is our first and foremost duty to help the capita), cottage and small industry can poorest of the poor and there should not provide maximum employment opportu. be any single starvation death. Madam, nities for needy persons. In this connec our Government is spending 160 crores tion, Madam, I may be permitted to on this scheme and helping 1.4 crore Quote Mahatama Gandhi who said . poor families. I request the Government of India to take up this scheme and UI am not against machinery. But I 247 Resolution re" : Measures JANUARY 18, 1985 to Eradicate Poverty 248 [Shri V. Sobhanadreeswara Rao] Nehru and the historic message he gave am against its indiS'Criminate at the midnight of August 14, 1947. multiplication. What I object is craze of machinery, not machinery Madam, I thank you for the opportu as such. Men go on 'saving nity provided to me to speak. labour' till thousands are without work and thrown on the open SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI streets to die of starvation. This (Bhubaneswer): Madam Chairman, I fight with all my might. The I am happy that in the Eight Lok Sabha supreme consideration is Man. when we have started well, this Resolu The machine should not tend to tion has been moved by Prof. Dandavate make atrophied limbs of Man." anti it is one of the important programmes which we have hig hlighted in the Sixtt. He also said : Plan; and also in the President's Address this programme has been highlighted. "\Vith crores of human-beings going idle, India cannot afford to have Madam, this eradication of poverty large machinery which w ill dis has become one of the maj or and impor place the labour. It would spell tant programmes in the 20-point pro their unemployment and their gramme of our late Prime Minister and ~tuin. Our problem is how to find also the Government has taken it serio employment for all the crores of usly, to implement this programme. the people, not how to save their labour. Continuous unemploy ment bas already induced in them In the Sixth Plan it was assumed that a kind of laziness which is most in the Plan period there would be reduc .. depressing. " tion in the percentage of people below the poverty line from 47 per cent to 30 per cent. And the figures of population below I request the hone Prime Minister to the poverty line in 1979-80 were revised keep in mind the words of Gandhi and and worked out to nearly 339 million take concrete steps to encourage cot tage, people, and it was estimated that the per small and medium industries to reduce centage of poverty came down to 41.5 the unemployment and provide gainful per cent and the total number of persons employment to millions of youth in this below the poverty line to 282 million in year of 1985. I also request him to 1981-82, Thu5 it is estimated that bet protect this sector from the competition ween 1980 and 1982,34 per ceot of the of heavy industry or big industry, if total plan target of people to be taken necessary by legislation also. above the poverty line were so taken But here it has been further estimated by the mid-term appraisal of the Planning Com_ Madam, I also request our young mission that roughly about S 7 million Prime Minister to take nec~ssary steps for people can be assumed to have crossed the making available handloom Dhotis and poverty line in the first two years of the Sarees at cheap prices to the poorest of Sixth Plan and the total target in the the poor people as per capita availability Sixth Five Year Plan envisaged raising of cloth has come down. nearly 102 million people above poverty line and I hope during the two years from Madam, still many people in Harijans 1982 to 1984 we must have made a little and many more people in backward more progress so that we must have n"a communities are yet to get house-sites. I rl y achieved the target that was set in the request, on behalf of myself and my Sixth Plan. But here because we go to party, that the Government of India the villages and we see how these progra. should allocate more funds in this regard mmes are being implemented. I was goIng and fulfil the dream of Sbri lawabarlal through a document by some economists. 249 Resolution re : Measures PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) to Eradicate Poverty 250 They have calculated that during all this these, 31 .countries including India come Plan period about Rs. 20,000 crores have under the first category where the per been invested in these programmes for centage of the poor, according to the eradication of poverty. I was also look U.N. study, is above 50%. ing to the investment which has been made in the IRDP. In 1980-84 the Now, an attempt is being made in some investment in the IRDP was Rs. 1352.97 quarters that we have a plan to eradIcate crores and in the National Rural Employ poverty, say by 2,000 A.D. And we ment Programme it was Rs. 1453.22 have invested so much amount in these crores and in the RLEGP it was Rs, 1 ()O programmes, There are two points of crores And there was again another pro view which are betng highly debated. One gramme, Training of Rural Youth for is whatever figures the Planning Commis self· employment under the 20-point pro sion in it~ mid-term appraisal is putting gramme, and various other programmes before the country. namely that 57 which were included in the Sixth Plan million people have been lifted above the between 1980 and 1984 A. wast amount poverty line. Another point of view of money has be~n invested to see that is that the number is less this 57 the people living below the poverty line million. So, it seems there is a contro are raised and t heir living standards are versy about this figure, I hope Prof. improved. Again the minimum needs Madhu Dandavate had referred to figures programme was there and the special given in Raiya Sabha last year. I think component pJan for Scheduled Castes and this question came up there and perhaps tribal sub-plan are there, There is also the then Planning Minister, Shri Chavan a plan for the rehabilitation of bonded had to ad mi t that there was perhaps a labourers, Again various State Govern liltle discrepancy with what the Planning ments have their own plan for eradica Commission has submitted and the actual tion of poverty. In Orissl, we have the fact that prevails in the country. But I plan for the rehabilitation of the rural am not going into that problem poor and improving the living standard of presently. the weaker sections. But madam, if we go through all these programmes, what Madam, there are various points of do we find today? The latest figure that view expressed by various economists. we have indicates the percentage of people What haprens is, sometimes it goes to the living belGw the poverty line: head of some economists that if they devise some method or work in such a Andhra Pradesh 42.18% manner. after 1 0 or 1 5 years, poverty Assam 51.10% will be eradicated. 1 think there are lot of economisfs who are thinking on this Bihar 57,49% line. I hope they are not very pragmatic Madhya Pradesh 57.73% because poverty in India has a history thousand years old. But we ar.! finding And so far as my State, Orissa. is out this s'rategy. In the whole of Jndia, concerned, it is the highest, The people more than 90% of the people. we see, living below the poverty line in Orissa are suffering from poverty. which is visi come to 66.40%, I think, this is 1983 ble to us. Another attempt is being figure. made in the Seventh Plan for the eradica tion of poverty Again, some economists Sir, I was going through the report of are thinking on this line that if poverty is the FAO Study Team which also \lent into not eradicated in this process, then what the question of the condition of rural we should do is, we should evolve some people in all these deveJoping countries. kind of method by which we reduce the A stu dy made by the Food and agricul calorie intake of the people so tbat 70% tural Organisation of the U.N. indicates are lifted above the poverty line. that in 1980 almost 700 million people in the rural areas of developing countries PROF. MADHU DANJ;>AVATE: liv~d in absolute poverty. Am:>Dgst That is re-defining the poverty line. 251 Resolution re : Measures JANUARY 18, 1985 to Eradicate Poverty 252 SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: personaI1y. The subsidy that we are The Massive mend ate that we got from giving, the subsidy part, is taken away, is the people is one of the biggest historic shared by the officers involved in this transitions in this country. It was 1.he process I am not voicing any kind of bitterest moment, the saddest moment, a view which would not be tolerated when that our country was facing. The people I say that the subsidy part in these various have taken a decision that they must have programmes is being shared by officers a united and strong India, to see that involved in the implementation of the India prospers, the people living below programmes. What happens is that the the poverty Hne get more and more bene subsidy part is not available to the bene fits and that their 'living standard goes ficiaries. The subsidy itself is taken uP. away by the officers involved in the process and only the JOan part is received by the beneficiaries and they pay interest The poverty i lself has not been defined on that. Supposing we have invested yet in many countries. Once I had the about Rs. 3000 crores during 1980-84, rriviJege of attending one Seminar where what I was calculating was, if 30 per cent about 200 Economists of the third world of it goes to the middleman, really, it countries used to discuss and define what does not reach the beneficiary and all our ~ is poverty. The more the poverty \\ as programmes with all the efforts of the defined, they found that it was very diffi Planning Commission, the Ministries cult to define poverty beca use there are concerned and the Government do not people in those countries Vvho think that really reach tbe peopJe who want to take such kind of living standards are consi benefit from them. All OUf programmes dered to be more affluent in those are very good. But these programmes countries. But in our country as minimum have to be implemented properly. living standards, \\·e think that we should have food, we have a shelter, a home, and our children get education In that I would like to read out a portion of way, we are trying to define it. Let us the statement which the Planning find out and evolve a kind of scientific Commission had made. The Planning formula and method by which we can Commission bas said that land reform~ proceed to eradicate poverty programme is one of the very important programmes to alleviate the poverty I am Quite sure that with whatever What we have done is that only 21.96 amount of industrialisation we are baving, lakh landless households which consti we cannot eradicate poverty wi r hin 10 tute hardly 10 per cent of such house year. Supposi ng we make it 20 years, h~ds have been allotted land totalling let us plan it in such a manner that 14 70 lakh hectares. We have taken so gradually we achieve that target. So much of land. The surplus land is still much of money we are investing in all there. But yet we have not been able to these programmes We have to see that distribute the entire surplus land that we all these programmes percolate to the have taken over under the various ceiling people, reach the masses, and that these laws What I would suggest here is, let are implemented properly. us have a political will to implement the land reforms. Besides, the poverty of the Other day, I was reading an article on allottees does not j:)ermit them to have poverty, planning and bureaucracy. It access to supplementary input. According was a very interesting article. I find that to the Sixth Plan : some people have made some research and they have gone into this field. There; is subsidy part in these programmes, "If the progress of land reforms has namely. IRDP, NREP ~n.d RIEG ~. I been Ie~s than satisfa~tory, it has can tell you what happens tbere, I h.ave not been due to flaw, in policy but Bone and met maoy of the beneficiaries to indifferent implementation.'" 2Sl St. re ~ Arrests in PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) 254 connection with Activities Detri- mental to National interests J.6.45 brs. RESOLUTION RE: MEASURES TO ERADICATE POVERTY -Contd. [MR SPEAKER in the Chai r]. {English) That is main point. Let us implement SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUN. whatever programme is there, whether it SHI (Howrah) : Mr Speaker, Sir, I do is the 20.Point programme, whether it is not support the text of the resolution of land reforms, prograrrlrnes of IRDP or the hon. Member from the Opposition alJ our programmes which are meant for Prof. Madhu Dandavate but, I share its eradication of poverty. The basic point spirit. Prof Madhu Dandavate is one of is that we shaH see that all our pro the Jearned Members present in the House grammes are implemented faithfully cent and he is one of tbe knowledgeable per per cent and if that is done~ I am quite sons in economic science and the economy sure, that with in a period of one decade, of our country. While he speaks on such we will be able to see that poverty is issues and subjects inside or outside the eradicated from this country. House, as students of politics and econo mics, we Jearn and try to learn more. But, unfortunately today in the House, I would say with great regret that while I share the views and I am impressed by the knowledge and wisdom of Prof. 16.46 hrs .. Madhu Dandavate, I do not share his conVictIOn. He intelligently avoided cer STATEMENT RE' ARRESTS IN tain ba ... ic issues which are responsible CONNECTION WITH ACTIVITIES for poverty and made it very acute. DETRIMENTAL TO NATIONAL [NTERESTS 16.47 hrs. [EngTi5h] MR. SPEAKER : Hon. Prime Minister [SHRI SHARAD DIGHE in the Chair.] to make a statement. PrOf. Madhu Dandavate, in the THE PRIME \1INISTER (SHRI last part of his speech. dealing with RAllV GANDHI): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I the resolution, tried to bring back again wish to take the House into confidence on Mahatma Gandhi in a modest manner. an important developm~nt. As you know. highlighting and apprehending certain every Government has to exercise the things about our Prime Ministers and the highest vigilance in regard to the protec. present Prime Minister who is function tion of confidential inf0rmation and jng and has stated that the sophisticaied intelligence. I reviewed and strengthened computerised technology should not be a security procedures It came to Govern regular fash :on in elitist view to curb the ment's notice that certain employees in poverty line in the villages. Thus he sensitive positions were suspected to be questioned the motive of Prim~ Minister. indulging in activities detrimental to With great humility and respect, I try to national interests. Some arrests have remind Prof Madhu Dandavate that been made in the course of these investi. Mahatma Gandhi was not opposed to gations which are sti1l proceeding. I am science and technology and, possibly Prof. confi<1ent that hon. Members would not Madhu Dandavate shares the view that even press me to say anything more at this Gurudev TAgore had serious differences stage as it might hamper these investiga with Mahatma Gandhi during the time tions. of Rashtriya Charka Though many Congressmen did not like the vie~ ex pressed by Tagore, ultimately it was found 355 Resolution re : Measures JANUARY 18, 1985 to Eradicate Fovrty 256 [Shri priya Ranjan Das M unshi] which I want to highlight and bring to the notice of the hone Minister dealing that Tagore was also not untrue in his con with this Resolution for his consideration. victions and it does not mean there was a Which are the agencies today for deve confrontation between Tagore and Maha lopment ? The Planning Commission is tma Gandhi. We tried to accept both the authority to guide the nation and in the real perspective, in their appro decide the al1oca~ion. The ultimate priate places. When we think of the pre executing authority is the State Govern. sent Prime Minister Shri Rajiv Gandhi's ment through its various agencies. Now views on more sophisticated technology in let us look at the~e agencies. Though we science and other matters, I feel it is have separated the judiciary from the < really a great fortune of the country that executive, yet, the executive cannot devote he holds such views because poverty reaUy his entire time for the development and cannot be eliminated by mere figures of growth of the country. We have an the Planning Commission or by the spe institution calJed Parliament and we have eches and wordy battles here and there a text called the Constitution which gives by pol iticaI parties. power to State Legislatures and various other bodies. Now, in the whole country The essential ingredient in the economy y'Ju engage officers from the Planni ng of the whole world today is the use of Commission to the district level for the the more advanced science and techno develJpment of the country. You try to logy to fight poverty from grass-roots. find out from his calender how much Therefore, if Prof. Madhu Dandavate time a particular officer get to employ comes down a little from his unfounded his entire knowledge which he obtained elitist viewpoint, I hope he would agree in his student career and in his equipment with tbe viewpoint of Shri Rajiv Gandhi, for the lAS examination, for the deve lopment programme'? He has to conduct our Prime Minister, that today's e~ono mic growth in the villages also, whether the Parliamentary elections and by it was in the Janata regime or Congress elections. He hds to conduct the Assembly regime.. cannot just be accelerated with eJections and by-elections. He has to out the use of modern science and look after the day-to-day administrative technology. And, therefore. we do not work. He has to look after the Panchayat come to oppose Mahatma Gandh i. elections and the Zila Parishad elections. I have seen that an officer at the grass root level devotes for the development Well, Prof. Madhu Dandavate was programmes hardly seven days in a year. quot.jng some phrase from a tourist who I sat with the officers in my district and visited five-star hotel and big mi lIs and I fl·mnd that he actually get only seven said that he had not seen Mahatma days in a year for the development pro Gandhi. I do not know who accom gramme at other times he is busy passing panied him. He should have told him at and disposing of papers. Since our young that time tbat Mahatma Gandhi did not Prime Minister in his wisdom has intro live in hotels and mills. He lived duced a new Ministry for personnel and still lives in Indian eiv lisation which administration and administrative reforms, is now the richest and the strongest in I request tbe hone Minister dealing with the whole world. And Mahatma Gandhi this Resolution to look into it and see wid continue to live in the civilisation of that the development authority in the this great country of ours. And Mahatma district is not burdened with any other Gandhi will continue to live in that responsibility for years and years to civilization. come so that growth and development take place in every district and block with out interruption I will cite one example. The problem of poverty is not a matter This happened in the last elections. There which can be explained in the House was drinking water problem in a parti- , within an bour or two. But the Mover cular area of my constituency. The people of the R.esolution avoided certain points were Dot getting drinking water for the 257 Resolution re : Measures PAUSA28, 1906 (SARA) to Eradicate Poverty 258 last two and a half years in spite of the issued On 5th January, I have seen. the fact that there is Ztla Par ishad, there is Lok Sabha Secretariat has cautioned all Panchayat Samiti. It so happened that the Members of the House not to put any three months before the elections the question on NREP or IRDP seeking office; s were asked by the Elecdon Com district. level information. mjssi~n "to engage themselves fully for the election work and, therefore, they This, I feel, is fantastic. How can an could not look into the file with the MP function in his contltuency without result that the people of that area could knowing what is happen ing in regard to not get drinking water till today. This is NREP and IRDP programmes? The tne basic pr oblem which neither the IRDP programme is cent per cent Planning Commission appreciates nor do financed programme of the Government we try to investigate. The basic problem of India and NREP is financed fifty-fifty. lies in the overall administrative set· up of We cannot know any information about the development proglammes. the development? This is the instruction of the Lok Sabha Secretariate. I bope the Secondly, I thank from my own heart entire House will share this matter for and on b!half of my Party Prof Madhu our information in future •.• Dandavate. He has brought out a very important point. It is a fact that during SHRI RAM PY ARE PANIKA It the Janata regime Food·for.Work Pro should be withdrawn. gramme was introduced which ultimately became NREP. He has said in his speech SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS that corruption vitiated the entire deve MUNSHI : About poverty, some per lopmenl programme. During their own centage and figures were quoted. Accord. regime., to less a leader than Shri P .C. ing to the mid-term appraisal it is 42/~ Sen rf West Bengal drew the attention and according to Mr. Reddy of tbe of the then Prime Minister, Shri Morarji Telugu Desam it is more and according Desai, that crores of rupees were looted to some journals it is 50% I am not in West Bengal in the name of Food-for going into that, about the controversy of Work Programme. The Food·for-Work figures Bu t the fact remains that poverty Programme became literally food for a is there and it is acute. In regard to the particular Party and work for them and other point whicb Prof. Madbu Danda not for the people as such. Not only vate raised, can he cite any example in that, proceedings were instituted in court any part of the world wheIe without of law and people have been punished concentrating on checking the population I am not mentioning the name of any growth, real development can take Party. Shri PC. Sen himself brought it place '/ .•• to the notice of Shri Morarji Desai, not once but five times, but he failed to get any relief. Prof. Madhu Dandavate will PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I apprecia'e that from time to time for have said that. political convenience we try to absorb everything and when time comes we SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS choose to pick up the appropriate line, MU NSHI : He cited the example of incorporate it in the next and bring China. The method that China adopted, forward in a Resolution. We sbould once if our Prime Minister adopts and tries to again take an oath that in future we implement it here, tben, I think the should not do these things. Opposition will every day walk out of the House. And Congress Members also will About NREP. I want to draw your react and reject it. Sir, I do not like to attention to one thlDg. 1 was trying to bring Soviet Union and China into the raise a point of order today, but I picture. I would like to forget the Soviet restrained myself. I thought of writing a Siberian camp history and also the letter to the Speaker. In the Bulletin history in China. I have travelled recently ~S9 Resolution 1'e : Measures JANUARY 18. 1985 to E,.adicate Poverty 260 [Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munshi] casting any aspersion on any individual in China I have seen what that they are I am inviting a11 members of the' Opposi turning over their national units into tion to visit any district they like and 'private hands. China out of its own if I am not proved right, I will withdraw wisdom is now coming to the reality and from Parliament. Sir, in the name of President Mao's philosophy is no more poverty, relief is being distributed arid in vogue same is Marx. Whether I share grant is being distributed not in terms of it or not that is not important. Had poverty but in terms of political motiva Mahatma Gandhi been ali ve on that day tion programme of C.P.!. (M) (lntrrup when computers were introduced, we tions) . could have easily got his reactions. Had Lenin been alive on that day when DR. SARA DISH ROY : This is not atomic energy and solar energy was intro true. We challenge it •... duced, we would have got his reaction • . On the supposed reactions of persons (Interruptions) who are not alive, if you want to stop the pace of growth of science and tech~ ho]ogy under the pretext that Mahatma SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS Gandhi said this and Lenin has said this MUNSHI : I have invited the Opposition and I can tell you that I will withdraw we are nO more modern and we will no more be civilised. But while preserving from Lok Sabha if 1. am proved in our heritage we will keep pace with the correct ..•. progress of modern science and technology (Interruptions) so that we are modern and civilised. SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN The development programme in the (Cooch Behar) I am taking up the rural areas actually aims at fight ing chal1enge .• poverty and that is the aim of NREP-it is said. But I do not share this view. (Interruptions) What is NREP programme? I have seen in the village. What do they do ? They bring a thousand people to the village MR. CHAIRMAN: Order please. ... and tell them 'construct this road' and Let him speak, they give them food for three months After 3 months, whether the road is SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUN. pucca or kachha is not important. Mostly SHT : Sir, their own Minister-the it is kachha and at tbe next rain it 1~ Minister for Jails and Prisons was Minister washed away and it is absolutely devas for Panchayatraj and Development in tated and the people remain unemployed. the last Government has said. We want regular schemes and programmes (Interruptions) He publicly stated by which people feel that they can get and I have got the press reports that thee'r bread. That is the moo;;t important due to corruption justice is not being programme and the Planning Commission done at the grassroots of this programme . . out of its wisdom thought that we have The name of this Minister is Shri bumper production. we will have bumper Debarata Bannerjee. He belonge to RSP. crops and a good buffer stock and will (Interruption) Sir, proceedings are in the distribute gra;ns to poor people. But we court. I am not joking. I am not telling do not like to treat our people as begg:us. lies. Because of these reasons they are We do not like to treat them as mer losing the grip. (Inlerruptions). cenaries. We want them to become partner of our civilisation in terms of bread and food May be, the pace is Sir, Mr. Choubey ic; trying to say that slow but we want them to be speeded up. a Leftist State can indulge in corruption if To-day I can cite an example of my his opponents also do so. I share his State. You will be surprised-:-I am not, prof,)und Leftist wisdom. 261 Resolution re : Measures PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) to Eradicate Poverty 262 MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude. here but at the outset I challenge the very definition of 'poverty line' because it has SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS been assumed that in the villages ODe MUNSHI: I am concluding. About this has to work bard. 2400 calories are Resolution, as I said, I share the spirit not sufficient for a hard.working person. and >'not the text. I oppose the text. I The minimum calories tbat are required would humbly submit through you to the for. a hard-working person are 3500. So, mover of the Resolution and the Minister I say, the very definition is defective. that now that we have come to the House-whether from this side or that side-with the mandate of the people and Now, so far as urban areas are con that our young Prime Minister not only cerned it has been put at 2100 calories on account of the mandate of the people per pers on per day. In the urban areas but out of his own vision has given the also there are hard-working persons and highest emphasis against poverty and so far as hard.working persons are con that the Planning Commission is on way cerned the calories requirement is 3500. for the next Plan appraisal 'programme, Therefore, I say, the very definition of the development aspect should not be 'poverty line' is not correct. It has to be linked up with the day-to-day administra revised. tive activities of the executive heads. People in the zila parisbads and panch. ayat samities whether belonging to my Another aspect is that so far as poverty party or other party who are indulging in line is ccncerned only food requirements corruption should be dealt with under the is taken into consideration to define severest laws enacted by Parliament, be· poverty. If we take into consideration cause they are trying to earn their bread olher problems such as housing, clothing, out of the blood of the poor people. education facilities and medical facilities This is my submission. Then only we can then the persons living below the poverty fight the poverty eff~ctively line in our country will be more than 80 per cent. All these factors should be SHRI D.B. PATIL (Kolaba)· Mr. taken into consideration if povery is to be Chairman, Sir, I rise to support the Res· eradicated. olution moved by Prof. Dandavate which is very important in so far as the poor Not only should the poor man be sections of people of our country are enabled to get two square meals a day, concerned. At the ouset I would like to but we have to cater to his needs regard challenge the very definition of 'poverty ing housing, clothing, education, medical line'. - In the Sixth Plan document it hase facilities etc. These requirements should been defined as follows: also be taken into account. "The concept of poverty adopted in the Si'l:th Plan is related prima Sir, it has been argued that the rily to a level of per capita expen measures taken by the Government to diture needed to satisfy a calorie eradieate poverty have lifted them above requirement per day calculated the poverty line, such as IRDP, NREP. for a given year (1973-74). For RLEG P and other programmes. There the rural sector it has been pJaced are so many such programmes where at Rs. 49.9 per capita, per month thousands of crores of rupees are spent corresponding to a requirement of tiJI now in the name of the poor. But 2400 calories per person per how have these programmes helped the day and Rs. 56.64 per month poor people really ? I wi II give you on ly for the urban sector correspond one glaring example. So far as IRDP is ing to a requirement of 2100 concerned. Much has been said about calories per day." corrouption under various schemes. I will give you one example. This is from I do Dot want to go into the details my own constituency aDd this happened 263 Resolution re : Measures JANUARY t 8, 19$5 to Eradicate Poverty 264 [Shri D.B. Patil] was only 0.36%. 'This is tbe position when I was campaigning for the election. about the rural area. Now I will teU you Nine advasi families were given ooe she the position about the urban area. In buffalo each. When actually they milked 1960-61, the household per capita the animal there, it was three litres at a expenditure was Rs. 29 61 and in time. When they brought the animal 198I.82 it w,as Rs. 31.81. It hardly home, the milk was hardly half a litre works out to 0.32% increase per annum. or one litre at a time. When I asked If this is the position, it is very difficult them what subsidy they are getting~ they to expect that the poor and the downtro told me that they did not know anything dden living under the poverty-line will be about it. They only said that the animal lifted above the poverty-line. Unless and was given to them and the milk that they untH drastic steps are taken to eradicate are supposed to get would be six Iitres poverty, we cannot solve this problem, per day. But in actual fact, they were Necessary immediate steps should be getting hardly two liltes milk per day. taken to see that there is increase in The problem before them wa s how to their income. maintain these animals and to feed them and how to maintain their families This In regard to the guarantee of employ was their problem This sort of deception ment to these poor people-so far as was practised upon them. It was a real the illiterates and other downtrodden burden for them to maintain these are concerned -the Government should animals. This was the case. It is'very take urgent steps to provide employment glaring example of corruption. - to everyone of them. In Maharashtra, as you know, there is a seheme called Sir, it has been argued that along with employment guarantee scheme. It has these scb~mes, Food for Work scheme is been accepted in principle by the Govern also being implemented, So far as ment of India. But it has not been Maharashtra is concerned, our eKperience actually implemented in India. It is the is that this Food-for ... work scheme is not legal obligation on the part of the being implemented in Maharasbtra Mr. Government of Maha rash tra to provide Chairman, you might remember that, work to every illiterate and those who because you come from Maharashtra. seek employment in the villages, As a We, in the opposition, all the while matter of right, they can demand job for were demanding the implementation of them~elves. Until and unless these the Food-for-work programme but the schemes are implemented throughout the Government of Maharashtra was country, the problem will remain and adamant about it an~ rejected OUf ;>ro the poverty among the people cannot be posal that this Food-for-work pro removed. gramme should be started in Maha rashtra, for lifting up of persons living below poverty line in Maharastra. This Then, Sir, there is the question of Food-for-work programme was not taken redistribution of the benefits arising out up at all in Mabarashtra. This is the of the growth in the country in various po·sition. fields So far as this is concerned, the experience is that the rich are becoming In the name of various schemes, crores richer and the poor becoming poorer, It of rupees h lve be en spent. But what is is because of that the distribution of tlle tbe actual achievement ? I will quote benefits arising out of growth has not only one example. I am quotin g from been properly done. the Ec..)nomic and Political Weekly dated April 14. '984. This is from page 635 Sir, in this connection, I would like there. Table II shows 'Monthly Per to suggest that so far as upliftment of Capful Household Expenditure~. This is poor and downtrodden are 'concerned, at the ] 960.61 price level. In 1960... 61 there should be proper public distribu the figure was 21.53 ;n rural area, In tion system of essential commodities 1981 .. 82 it was 23.22 The annual rise It bas been much. advertised by the 265 Resolution re : Measures PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) to Eradicate Poverty 266 gowrnment that througb the pub1ic dis SHRI K 0 SULTANPURI (Sim1a) : tribution system, all essential commodities In fact, it should be four from this side would he supplied to the poor, But and one from their side. according to my knowledge, even the small quota of 10 kg. of rice fixed by the Oovernmen t per person per month is DR. SARADISH ROY: It is not pro. not given to the poor in the villages. per. Kindly call a Member from this side .. They can hardly get 1 kg. of rice or bajra per month through the pub lie MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Daga. distribution s~'stem. I would, therefore, suggest that one of the means for [Translation] upHftment of the poor and bring them above the poverty line is that the public distribu·ion system should be strengthened SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali) : in the sense that many more items of Mr. Chairman, Sir, this Resolution has essential commodities should be distri been brought here at a verry opportune buted through this system in a large time and there should be a thorough dis scale and in sufficient quantity at subsi cussion on it. dised rate. If the Government implements all these schemes and puts them into The question is whether the figures in practice, a great deal of corruption will respect of removal of poverty from the be removed so that the benefits can be country given by the Government are reaped by the poor who are real1y in genuine or those given by the econo need or such help. mists. How to verify this fact"1 I want to know whether the figures about po Lastly, I would suggest that until and verty given by the experts in planning are lInless employment is guarante~d to the correct or those mentioned by the stal. poor., down-trodden and all these seeking warts in the economic field. employment, we cannot wipe out poverty comp1etely. The only solution for this is I want to know from the hone that necessary amendment to the existing Minister the number of people who are law to this effect should be brought living below the poverty line in India forward before this House so that tocay and what is the basis of the figures employment is guaranteed to the poor given by him? What is the criteria for and down-trodden and we are able to judging a man to be poor ? find a permanent solution to this great problem. It appears from the figures given by the Planning Commission. pertatning to MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri M .C. Daga. the 1 2 year period from 1960-61 to 1972-73. that the number of people DR SARADISH ROY: You have to living below the poverty line had re. call from this side. mained the same. It means that the figures given by the Government indi MR. CHAIRMAN : I am following cate that the poverty line remained un... the order in which the names are given changed during 12 years period from here. 1961·62 to 1972-73. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Mid He had ordered a survey in eight dis ... napore) : Tt-at is not the procedure. You tricts of Tamil Nadu and stated that 40 have to call a Member from this side. per cent of the people living below the poverty linl! had come above it. Accord. MR. CHAIRMAN : Let Shri Daga ing to the Survey conducted by National speak ; I will call a Member from side Sample Survey, only one per cent of the tbereaftef • people living =0 all the 194 Blocks in 267 Resolution re : Measures JANUARY 18, 1985 to Eradicate Poverty 268 [Shri Mool Chand Daga] you had to pay Rs. 41 8.4 crores as in Gujarat were above t he poverty line. terest on a loan of Rs. 23,268 crores. We want to know the scientific formula I want to know what has been tbe return on the basis of which you consider from the items for which you have taken people above the poverty ]ine. loan. If you take an these things into accouI)t, you will find the extent of Joss you have incurred. I would request you (Interruptions) to judge this loss from your own figures We have made enough investmen-t and We want poverty to be removed. borrowed continuously but our return bas Poverty is a curse for the country and· not been in conformity with our bor so is the lack of thinking in this regard. rowings. We must give thought to the problem of poverty. Poverty is a curse which we [English] must fight against. What is the return on eac h item whe The survey conducted in Tamil Nadu ther it be c031, electricity, aJuminiuIn indicates that 40 per cent of the people or steel? living below the poverty line have come above it, but in Gujuat only one per cent could come above it. [Translation] Sir, I would like to know the number Block Development officers, Bank Offi of people who have come above the cers and Police Officers eat up all this poverty line during the years 1982-83 and money. The poor do not get the benefits 1983-84. You said that you were of the efforts made to remove poverty. able to lift 5 to 10 crores of people It is the middlemen who derive benefits above the poverry line during 1981-82. from these efforts and swallow all the whereas your economists say that onl y money. Th~ amOunt intended to be 7.7 million people crossed the poverty spent for the betterment of the poor is line. / not spent on them. The Government should conduct a na tional sample survey or ascertain by some other scientific me [English] thod as to whether: the poor have ac tuaJJy crossed the poverty line. There is an article entitled 'Reduction in Poverty' by Prof. Raj Krishna, and he Recently, there was an article in the said that for tbe first two years. 7.7 mil lion and not S 7 million crossed the anniversary issue of "The wheels" about the officials working in the Planning Com poverty line. mIssIon. In tbat ArticJe~ they have given an appraisal, which I would like to pJace {Translat~on J b~fore you as to how they work and how they function. I wan_' to draw your The asistance that you give to the attention to that Article and tell you poor people living in villages does not about their thinking and how they cover teach them. The Bank officers and block up their mistakes. It says: officers say that such and such assistance was but actually it does reach given, Dot [English] them. ~'The pJanniRg process itself has be Today, my question No.9 was on this come more or less routine,. . subject that your loan liability is increas stale and a prisoner of its OWD ,ing. The amount of this loan is now premises and wishful thinking, un very high. When I wanted to know the able to cope with the changing amount of that loan, ~ou- infonued that realities. There is no specific 269 Resolutio11 re : Measllres PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) to Eradicate Poverty 270 unit. in the Planning Commission SARI GJRDHART LAL VYAS or elsewhere in the Government (Bhilwara) It should be extended by having the responsibil ity for the three hours. objective of price stability, though this festtures qui~e prominently in every five-year pIan.'" MR, CHAIRMAN : We shall extend it by one hour. Today, we shall sit upto 6 O'clock, We shaH give the rest of the [Translation] time on the next occasion. I would request you to kindly Dote as to what the Planning Commilision is SHRI GADADHAR SAHA (Birbhum): dOing. T want to'know from you whe .. Mr. Chairman, I rise to support the re SOlution moved by Prof. Madhu Danda... ther the Planning Commission hq~ ever achieved its target in any plan they vate. In this connection. I hope that have formulated so far. Fourth Plan all hon, members agree that we have ac Take any plan First Plan. Second cepted rather a low level of living to de fine the· poverty line and the poor. The Plant Third Plan. Fifth Plan ~nd Sixth Plan, the Pl3nning Commission Dorm used to define the poverty line could not achieve its targets. Today, in does not indicate that it is not a minimum villages. there is no drinking water even standClrd of Jiving; it is rather a means after 37 years of iQdepen -ience and even of bale living. today the number of people living below the poverty line is increasing. So, on what basis you say that you are lifting TheTe are instances and evidence to the peop'e above the poyerty line? show that there is an uneven distrib~tion of income. uneven distribution of land, industrial assets and there exists inequality The decision of the Government re in our society. I would like to quote garding prices. hoarding etc. is appre from the f!overnment reports and the re ... ciable in that the Government have decid port of the Reserve Bank, In this con.. ed to provide clean administration, The nection _ I would like to mention that Government have deciderl to encourage the in 1977-78, the bottom 50 per cent honest and the dedicated and to punish consumed 29 per cent of all goods and the dishonest and the corrupt. This deci services in the country while the top 30 sion is also welcome. People will get per cent consumed 52 per cent. The benefits of the plans only when such an bottom '0 per cent consumed 3.5 per action is taken. Otherwi-e, you have cent while the top 10 per cent consum not been able to achieve even 30 per cent ed 26 per cent of goods and services in target in the scheduled areas programmes the country. According to the report which you have chalked out under of the Reserve Bank, the bottom 10 per NREP, NRDP. and other such pro cent rural society owned 0.1 per cent grammes. If you want. I can give figures. of rural asset a-: in 1961 and the same The Government should. therefore. ensure in 1 971 • The top 30 per cent increas that the implementation of the pro ed their already large share from 79 per grammes is according to the schedule, cent of rural assets in 1961 to 82 per cent in 1 971 . I t is also reported that [English] small and marginal farmers who consti tute 73 per cent of the farmers cultivate MR. CHAIRMAN HeCore I call only 23 per cent of land while large far.. the next speaker, 1 want to point out that mers who constiute 3 per cent of farmers the time allotted to the Resolution is over. cultivate 26 per cent of all land. This Is it the pleasure of the House that it inequality in property and land owner should be extended '1 ship leads to some being richer and others having nothing else to depend on for SOME HON. MEMBBRS Yes, their income except the sale of their la.. 371 Resolution re : ,Measures JANUARY 18, 1985 to Eradicate Povrty 272 [Sbri Gadadhar SahaJ inadequate food, under-nourishment, bour which is at low level regardless of mal.nutrition, Jack of housing. un"rotect enacted laws. This inequality feeds and ed drinking water, inadequate c1othing~ enlarges tbe area of poverty. ill health, illiteracy, lack of educational facilities and economic imbalances. This relief programme includes the Minimum ~ow I would 1ike to quote from report with regard to the share of national in Needs Programme and IRDP, NREP and and NRLEGP, etc. . come. The share of national income that comes to workers who belong to lower 40-60 per cent of society has stagnated For the Sixih Five Year Pian during over three decades and has recently dec ) 980-85 Rs. 5,000 crores have been lined. It is demonstrated in consump provided for implementation of some im tion expenditure. The facts behind it portant schemes for relieving the poor are serious social, personal inequality from the consequences of these things and inequality in income, inequality in 1 think it is too inadequate to achieve ownership of land, industrial assets the targets that are fixed for the relief and hausing which leads to some being rich and others poor _ The cases programme. In this connection, I would like to pOint out the weaknesses that are of poverty are, uneven distribution of land, uneven distribution of income, uneven there in the programme and its im distribution of consumption goods and plementation. services, of ownersh:p of land, industrial assets and the accumulation of growing A review at 1he official level in Novem ~lack money, illegal sector of eco ber, 1981 established that the programme nomyetc. of dispersal of institutional credit in sup port of this programme was not satis According to a British esonomist, in factory and the operational agencies 1953-54 black money was estimated at at all levels ought to sthngthen the ma Rs. 600 crores. According to the chinery for the achievement of the Direct Taxes Enquiry Committee, the targets Wanchoo Committee, it rose to Rs. 1,400 crores in 1968-69. In 1978-79 it was Rs. 46,867 ccores. It means that the A study by a Bangalore team of in illcgaL:eeon&my bas risen from 6 per cent vestigators shows that in terms of total in 19-'53.5' 'to SO per cent of our national credit, advances by banks to rural areas income today Illegal economy is generating declined from 8 per cent in 1970 to new income, new wealth at a higher and hig 4,88 per cent in 1980. Out of this her rate for the priviliged few and increasing reduced level, a big portion of the credit poverty for the majority of the people. bas gone to the rich farmer to purchase The few who have it conceal weal th by tractors. pump sets, motors and other investing it in illegal, semi-illegal ways, capital equipment. It is the denial of . in shares. properties, gold, silver, spend- institutional credit that perpetuates the ing it on travel, high fees for schooling, level of rural poverty. And this is the five-star culture, charity, donations, and weakness in eradicating this problem. election financing. All this involves transferring money from the poor to the The root cause of rural poverty is that rich and tbus widening-the circle of there is no proper distribution of land poor.. people in our country. and there is concentration of wealth and land assets in a few hands. This is the The fight agaillJt poverty bas two di problem tbat we are facing in our mensions. The first dimension is relief countryside. In areas of land distribution programme for the poor, and tbe second there are political and administrative dimension is elimination of the root impediments and legal hurdles. Because causes of poverty. The first task is to of these impediments and hurdles, the relieve the poor from the consequences of State Governments which are responsible 273 Resolution re : Measures PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) to Eradicate Poverty 27-1 for the implementation of these schemes, We all know that this concentration of are facing difficulties in their proper more wealth and more assets is in viola· implementation. On behalf of the West tion of this Principle of State Policy Bengal Government we would like to men and the policy announced by the late tion that the lacunae that there are in Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru. the' existing ceiling laws, have been re moved in the Second Land Amendment Bil1, 1981. This has been sent to the The nation today is in the grip of Central Government for Presidential as crisis. The cherished democratic values sent. There is legitimate ground and of our freedom struggle are under assault new scope for finding and vesting more and the assertive trend of concentration surplus Jand. We request that presiden of wealth and power jn a few hands and tial assent be given immediately to this the assertive trend of centralisation of amending Bill. power have resulted in the disturbing signs of al ienation in some parts of the country. This trend has to be haJted. I would like to mention that to be We are aU aware of the external threats effective any anti-poverty programme with and dangers to national security. So, land reforms as the major component has what we want nOw is a strong Centre to be multi.dimensional in its design and and, at the same time, strong States, for, impact, for increase in GNP was accom without strong States, no programme, panied in our country with increase in whatever the target may be, for lifting both relative and absolute levels of the poor above the poverty line can rna .. poverty and destitution for growing num terialise at all, for there are some poor ber of people. Benefits of economic backward states, some zero growth Slates, growth did not trickle down as predicted. problem States in India. In this con They were siphoned off somewhere up in nection, I want to give some suggestions. the line leaving more people hungry, shelterless, illiterate, ill-fed, diseased and destitute than 30 years ago. So, Seventy per cent of the total resources the main features of the land reform pro raised in the publ ic domain are retained gramme as formulated and implement by the Union Government and only ed in West Bengal, include quick record thirty per cent is available to the twenty ing of names of Ba rgadars or share two States. This kind of distribution of croppers through 'Operation Barga', dis financial resources is without parallel for tribution of already available ceiling sur a federal polity. This should be basi plus and vest land among land less la cally changed. bourers, drive to detect more ceiling surplus Iand~ giving substantial institu The more ehistic sources of tax revenue tional credit to the poor peasants and are reserved for the Centre. The States artisans, assigning permanent title for are not allowed any share of the proceeds homestead purpose to all landless workers, of the corporation tax wh ich these days artisans, fishermen, etc., providing source exceeds those from the income-tax. The of irrigation, financial assistance in the Centrf: refuses to share with the States form of subsidy and abrogation of old the yield from the surcharge on income revenue system. in this connection, I tax. These are the sources of erosion of want to draw the attention of this hone the resources of the State Governments House to the Directive Principles of This should be changed and more power State Policy: should be given to the States for imple mentation of the developmental schemes "The State sball direct its policy to and for reconst ruction of so,-=iety. wards securina that the operation of the economic system does not One mOre suggestion I want to make. result in the concentration of wealth and means of production One suggestion for lifting t~e poor to the common detriment." above the pOl'erty line is to give more 215 Resolution re : Measures JANUARY 18, t 985 to Eradicate Pevert)' 276 [Shri Gadadhar Saba] lopment through Plans to the full extent. money to the States for implementation of But it does not mean that there has been the anti-poverty programme. Now while no development through the Plans. If it raising resources to finance the scheme, were so, tbe situation in India would Dot the Central Government raises resources have been such as is prevalent today and mainly from the poor by way of indirect the changes taken place in India since taxation. Both this policy and the price 1947 would not have been there policy, which is the source of crealion Previously, we were not able to produc~ of income and distribution of income, even a single industrial item of our daily should be changed. Our suggestion is necessity in our country, but now our that, till as the price policy js basically cOuntry occupies seventh place among the changed the Union Government should advanced industrial countries. Today we assume the responsibility of supplying 15 have got enormous technical personnel. to 20 of the major foodgrains, industrial We are increasing our national income raw materials and essential commodities and we can change the living standards of all over the country at reasonabie prices. the people all over the country. The concepJ of national unity loses much of its lustre if the essential articles are In his message to the nation also, our not equally accessible in all the States or Prime Minister has referred to our if some of t hem are a vailahle at ~ni national resolve. I thank if we get form prices in some places but not in cooperation from all sides, \\Ie can achieve others. The Centre should see to it that this gigantic task. Besides implement all these deficiencies and imbalances are ing big programmes, I am happy to say corrected. that on the one side we are planning to undertake manned space flight, on the [Translation] other side we are making efforts to uplift the standard of living of the people SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): living in Jhuggi jhompries. It is being Sir t there is no doubt that a large number ascertained from them as to' what type of our people are still living below the of help they want from the Government poverty line. A major part of our rural for their upliftment. and urban areas is devoid of basic ameni ties of life, which must be provided there. IRDP is a very good programme. During the Sixth Five Year Plan period But the way in which a crisis has been a substan\tial amount has been spent on projected and it has been tried to show this Programme and I think efforts are that the steps taken by the Government being made to benefit about three to remove poverty have failed, that, I thousand families in each Block through think, is not proper. this Progr.lmme. But here 1 would like to point out that our machinery lacks enthmilsm and commitment requried The removal of poverty is OUf nat!o!1al for the imp:enentation of the Programme. r"solve and without its fulfilmt!nt. we Du! to lack of this enthusiasm in tho would not be able to streamline our impl~menting machihery, the required administration and meet our national res'JIts are not a:hieved. Thllse Wl10 are requirements. I think the Government in a p lsition to take advantage and me:!t is determined to take action in this regard. their p.!nonl1 ends have certainly taken Keeping all these things is vit!w, tbe advantag~ of this Progrlmme, but the Government have adopted various mea coml1')n mall who 15 n ')t in a position sures in this dire.;tion since the First Five to take advanta~e of (he situation and Year Plan. wh') i~ not being helped properly by anyone has not be::n benefited The It can be said that we have not been bankc; hIve given loan'} to the p~o ,Ie able to achieve tbe targets fixed for deve- whether they are hllrijans living in the 277 Resolution re : Measures PAUSA 28, 1906 (SAKA) to Eradicate Poverty 278 villages, rarmers, artisans, but a large undertaken in the villages through RLEGP amount of this loan has gone in the hands programme, giving employment to many of other people also. Mr. Daga has rightly people, bu t the amount given as wages is complained and we, all the elected so meagre and insufficient that they representatives, also feel that a large find it difficult to make their both ends portion of the money spent under IRDP meet. So, the State Governments may be is going in the hands of officers and we asked to revise the Minimum Wages Act. have no agency to ensure its proper moni A worker must be given at least toring. There is no machinery to ascertain Rs. lIto 12 per day and if he does not whether the intended beneficiaries of the get this much then, I think, he is not scheme are really getting the benefits earning sufficiently to make his both ends therefrom or not. To ensure this, we meet. A large number of youths are have associated the Gram Predhans also working under this scheme. If we cannot with this scheme and established agencies provide jobs to them and if even here at the district level, but the Gram we do not give them adequate wages, Pradhan and the agency at the district they would not work earnestly and we level entrusted with monitoring work have would also not be able to harness our not been vested with enough powers so manpower for rural development. as to contribute in the successful imple mentation of the schemes. It is request ed that if Government want the desired [English] results to be achieved during the Seventh Plan, they should set up such m.:>nitoring MR. CHAIRMAN : Mr. Rawat, you committees at district and block levels can continue on the next occasion. as could take decisions about defaulters and make those officials work efficiently The House stands adjourned to re· who are not performing their duties pro assemble on 21 st instant at 11 a.m. perly, so that the intended beneficiaries may get the benefi t s 18.00 hrs. Our NREP Progranl"l1e in itself is a very practical one. It hJ.s helped a lot The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven in providing employm::nt in rural areas of the Clock on Monday, January 21, and a number of new works have been 1985jMagha, 1, 1906 (Saka). 'Printed at: A\casbdeep Printed, 20 Ansari Road, Darya Ganj, New Delhi-II 0002