(I. SHARP) ISAAC SHARP, Under Former Oath, EXAMINATION by MR
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10156. (I. SHARP) ISAAC SHARP, under former oath, EXAMINATION BY MR. TRJINGOVJI CONTINUED s The next meeting is a meetingof the 11th March, 1956. I hand to you a document marked G-. 528. Is that in your handwriting? Yes. Mv Lord. Does it refer to a meeting that you attended? Yes. On what date? On the 11-th March, 1956. What kind of meeting was that? Federation of South African Women. Where was it held? At the Trades Hall* Johannesburg? Yes. Were you present there? I was present there Did you make a note of the people you saw attending this meeting? I did. Is that the note you have "before you? Yes. That was made at the meeting? Yes. Now the second name on your list, what is that? Lilian Ngoyi. No. 4? • Helen Joseph. No. 6? • Ida Mtwana. No. 13? Mary Rantha. No. 16? Bertha Mashaba. No. 24? Ronald Edwin Press No. 27? T. Minusi. No. 29? B. Seitchiro. No. 30? A. E. Patel. No. 33? Simon Tyiki. No. 36? Phineas Nene. No. 50? Fish Keitsing. No. 52? Joe Matlou. No. 53? R. Resha. 10157. (I. SHARP) No. 54? Sbrahim Moolla. No. 60? Peter Nthithe. No, 63? 31ias Moretsele. No. 64? Lionel Morrison. No. 66? Patrick Molaoa. No. 67? Henry Gordon Makgothi. No. 69? Stanley Lollan. No. 70? Dr. H.M. Moosa. C c M No. - Yetta Barenblatt. No. 73? John Nkadimeng. Thisi parson that you referred to as Joe Matlou, do you know if he is known by any other name? Itis the only nans by which I know him, Jonas Matlou. The next meeting is a mooting on the 22nd of April, 1956. Sharp, I hand - My Lords, Detective Sergeant Schoeman gave evidence of this meeting, G. 488 and 489 f were the documents that he referred to. Sharp, I hand you a document marked G. 493. Is that a document in your hand- writing? It is in my handwriting. Does it refer to a meeting that you attended? Yes. On what date? On the 22nd.4.1956. Where was this meeting held? At the Trades Hall, Johannesburg. The notes which you have there, were they made at the meeting? Yes, My Lord. BY MR. JUSTICE BARKER : V7here were you sitting in the hall? It was outside, My Lord. BY MR. TR5NG0VE : And these people that you refer to, where were they? They were in the hall attending the meeting. 10158. (I. SHAKE) BY MR. JUSTICE E3KK3R : I am not quite clear, did you take the names as they went in, or where did you take the names? I took the names, My Lord, asthey entered the hall, and to later I went up/the door of the hall, BY MR. TRaNGOVa : •Refreshing your memory from your notes, can you say whether or not these people attended the meeting in the hall? They attended the meeting in the hall. On that date? On that date. And you have a note there that this meeting lasted from 9 a.m* to 6 p.m.? That is correct, My Lord. What is the second name on your list there? Leon Levy. No. 3? J 'hrv Nkaclimeng. No. 11? Obed Motsabi. No. 15? net Beyleveld, No. 17? Sydney Shall. Ih. 18? Cleophas Sibando. No. 19? Patrick Molaoa. No. 20? Joe M&tlou. Nc. 21? Aaron Mahlangu. BY MR. JUSTICE KENNEDY ; Do you know what sort of meeting it was? It was the meeting of the South African Congress of Trade Unions, My Lord. BY MR. TRSNGOVIC : This Aaron Mahlangu that you have mentioned, do you know him? I do, My Lord. Do you know from your own knowledge whether he was active in any organisation at that time? He was active in the A.N.C. and the South African Congress of 10159. (I- 3HART) Trade Unions. Do you know of anybody else "by that name who was active in the same organisations at that date? No, My Lord, This name that you have referred to, Beyleveld, 5 who was he? He is the ex-Iresident of the South African Congress of Trade Unions, Do you know him? I know him, My Lord. Do ynu know if there was any other persrn by that hame active in the South African Congress of Trade 10 Unions at that time? No, My Lord. That concludes the evidence of this witness on this meeting, My Lords. Lid you know a person attending this meeting, Leon Levy? I do. 15 Is he the one you have identified? Yes. Do you know whether or not he was actively engaged in the activities of any organisation at that stage? Yes, My Lord. In what? The South African Congress of 20 Trade Unions. Do you know of anybody else by that name, Leon Levy? No, My Lcrd. The next meeting, My Lords, is a meeting of the 24th June, 1956. Detective Sergeant Schoeman gave 25 evidence on this meeting, My Lords. His relative docu- ments are marked G. 901 and G. 902, My Lords. Detective Sergeant Hatting}? also gave evidence on this meeting, and the relative document in his case is G. 924 and G. 925. Sergeant Sharp, I hand to you a document which does not 30 bear a number - we can make it G. 920a - is this a docu- ment in your handwriting? Yes, My Lord. 10160. SHARP> Does it refer to a gathering that you attended? Yes, My Lord. On what date? On the 24th.6.1956. What gathering was that? Where was it held? It was the Congress of the People, Kliptown, on the 5 24th June, 1956. What is the heading of your note? "Commemo- ration of the Congress of the People, First Anniversary", Were you present there? I was present, My Lord. 10 Was this note made on that occasion? It was. You made a note of the people that you saw there? Correct. And you also made a note of certain other observations at this Conference? Yes, My Lord. 15 Nov/ the second name on your list, what is that? Faried Adams. That is the list of people who were there? Yes. No. 4? Lionel Morrison. 20 After the name of Lionel Morrison you have got a comment? Yes. What is the comment? "He and Paried Adams and another fix slogans on the platform". No. 6 on your list? Dr. R. E. Press. 25 No. 11? Sidney Shall. No. 12? Helen Joseph. No. 16? Norman Levy, I am sorry, Leon Levy. Let us get No. 15 first? — — Norman Levy. No. 16? Leon Levy. 30 No. 17? — Sam Masimola. No. 21? Ida Mtwana. 10161 (I. SHARP) No. 25? Stanley Lollan. No. 31? Marks William Shop No. 32? Jbrahim Moolla. No. 35? Dr. H.M. Moosa. No. 44? Andries Chamile. No. 48? Elias Moretsele. No. 49? Pish Keitsing. No. 51? Philemon Mathole. No. 52? Bennet Seitchiro. No. 55? Sampie Malupe. No. 56? Leslie Masiha. What have you got behind his name? Chairman. After No. 59, then you have a note there? Correct. What does that note say? "Leslie Masina 15 made opening remarks". "Sampie Malupe interpreted"* Then you continue with people? Yes. No. 60? Simon Tyiki. No. 64? Theophilus Mmusi. After No. 64 you have got a further note? 20 tea. What note is that? -• - "Philemon Mathole read the Presidential - the President-General's message". Then you continue with names of people who were there? Yes. 25 No. 68? Lilian Ngoyi. No. 71? Obed Motsabi. Then after Obed Motsabi you have got a note? Yes, My Lord. "Philemon read certain messages". Then after that you have got a note,what is 30 that? P have a note here about Leon Levy. Have you got the name of Leon Levy? Yes. 10162. SHABP) Have you got a note after his name? Yes. What does that refer to? "Thanked for the invisation to speak". The next name is No. 75? Hymie Barsel. No. 76? Aaron Mahlangu. 5 No. 77? H.G. Makgothi. And then immediately after H. G. Makgothi, have you got a note that somebody said anything? "Chairman comments". And then after that, have you got the name of 10 the person following upon that? Isaac Bokala. Aft .r Isaac Bokala, have you a further..? "Chairman's comments". What was his comment there? "The last speaker to address you about Congress Trade Unions is 15 the President of the S.A.C.T.U." And then did he announce the next speaker? The next speaker is Mrs. Ngoyi. Have you got a further note there in connec- tion with Mrs. Ngoyi? "Who is going to speak on the 20 women's pass laws". "Leslie Masina interpreted form Mrs. Ngoyi in Snglish and she spke in Xosa". Then you have - you took down names 78 and 79? Yes. Now turn to No. 83. What hame is that? 25 David Khumalo. Look after 86, have you got a note, what happened after 86? "E.P. Moretsele addressed the gathering". And did anylbhdy act as interpreted? 30 James Hadebe. And then after Moretsele spoke, have you got / 10163. (I. SHARP) a comment of anybody - of somebody else there? Who was the next person who did something according to your note? "Chairman comments". After that? "Lilian Ngoyi led certain singing". And then 87? Jonas Matlou. No. 88? Phineas Nene. No. 91? Lawrence Nkosi. No. 93? John Nkadimeng. 10 No. 97? Robert Resha. No. 98? Mary Rantha. No. 100? Reverend D. C. Thompson. No. 104? Bertha Mashaba. And then after Bertha Mashaba, have you got a note there? The chairman made an announcement. 15 Then have you got a note there - your next note after the chairman made a comment? "I want a representative from the Peace Council, Reverend Thompson".