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Features of Alpine Scenery Due to Glacial Protection: Discussion Author(S): L Features of Alpine Scenery Due to Glacial Protection: Discussion Author(s): L. W. Lyde, Douglas Freshfield and E. J. Garwood Source: The Geographical Journal, Vol. 36, No. 3 (Sep., 1910), pp. 336-339 Published by: geographicalj Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1777309 Accessed: 14-04-2016 23:51 UTC Your use of the JSTOR archive indicates your acceptance of the Terms & Conditions of Use, available at http://about.jstor.org/terms JSTOR is a not-for-profit service that helps scholars, researchers, and students discover, use, and build upon a wide range of content in a trusted digital archive. We use information technology and tools to increase productivity and facilitate new forms of scholarship. For more information about JSTOR, please contact [email protected]. The Royal Geographical Society (with the Institute of British Geographers), Wiley are collaborating with JSTOR to digitize, preserve and extend access to The Geographical Journal This content downloaded from 194.27.18.18 on Thu, 14 Apr 2016 23:51:32 UTC All use subject to http://about.jstor.org/terms 336 FEAIURES OF ALPINE SCENERY DUE TO GLACIAL PROTECTION. Bernina pass from Pontresina we find the head of this wide open valley suddenly ending in mid-air, recalling the exactly similar phenomenon met with on reaching the Maloja pass from St. Moritz. The analogy is in every way complete, for not only is the drainage at the head reversed in both cases, but lakes have been formed by deltas thrown by tributary streams across the flat floor of the beheaded valleys, which, having lost their headwaters, are no longer able to remove the deposit. Thus the water-parting of Europe, between the basins of the Po and the Danube, now consists, on the east, merely of a small ridge of moraine and delta material separating Lago Nero from Lago Bianco, while at the west end the lakle of Sils, dammed by the delta from the Fex valley, will, if left undisturbed, soon be captured by the Mera, and its waters diverted westward to swell the volume of the Po. Many other instances of the contrast between the northern and southern slopes of the Alps might be given. The most striking case is presented by the two sides of Monte Rosa, the south side, as shown in Plate IX. Fig. 1, plunging precipitously down into the Macugnaga valley, while the northern side, covered by vast snowfields and glaciers, slopes gradually into the Zermatt valley; so that, whereas the ascent of the north side was one of the first to be made among the higher peaks, the ascent from the south side was one of the latest, and was only accomplished after several attempts had ended fatally. 8. CONCLUSION. The foregoing account is an attempt to show how certain features in the Alps may have arisen on the assumption that ice erodes less rapidly than other denuding agents, and may consequently be protective. It is, of course, possible that under certain other conditions ice may erode more vigorously than water; if so, then the results would naturally be reversed. Can it be possible that we meet with both these conditions even in the same district, perhaps even in the same valley ? Can it be that in the higher valleys and slopes, ice has exerted a relatively protective influence, while in the lower portions of the valleys where many large affluents coalesced in a single valley, glacial excavation has been more vigorous. If this should be so, it will explain the different interpretations which different observers have placed on the facts they have observed. Further detailed observations alone will show. The PRESIDENT (before the paper): The subject of to-night's lecture is the erosive action of glaciers, and it is a question on which our lecturer, Prof. Garwood of the University of London, is especially qualified to speak. He has made a most careful study of the Alps, and knows almost all Switzerland, both from the point of view of the Alpine explorer and from the point of view of the geologist. He has also travelled with Sir Martin Conway in Spitsbergen and with Mr. Freshfield on the slopes of Kinchinjunga, where he has had opportunities of watching glaciers under various meteorological conditions. There can be no doubt that glaciers both produce a certain effect in erosion, and also tend to protect the rock under them from the effect This content downloaded from 194.27.18.18 on Thu, 14 Apr 2016 23:51:32 UTC All use subject to http://about.jstor.org/terms FEATURES OF ALPINE SCENERY DUE TO GLACIAL PROTECTION. 337 of water and of weather; and there appears to be two schools of thinkers on these subjects-those who lay most stress on the erosive action of glaciers, and those who lay most stress on their protective effects. The lecture to-night will be specially interesting as touching on this vexed question. Prof. L. W. LYDE (after the paper): I am very glad to have an oppor- tunity of expressing my very strong admiration of the way in which my colleague, Prof. Garwood, works. He could not have taken a better subject to show how really scientific his mind and work are; he goes step by step observing, verifying, testing on the spot, year after year, so that no fact is used until it is absolutely proven, and I only wish I had his knowledge, so that I could say whether certain things are on the edge or under the edge of a certain piece of ice. On the other hand, there are one or two general principles of which perhaps I might remind you in case they help in any way. In the first place, the total amount of work done by the precipitation over any given area, from source to sea, in the long run seems to be approximately the same, whatever form the particular precipitation takes subsequently; and in this case neither water nor ice in itself is very destructive. Indeed, it is almost true to say they are most destructive when least active, ice at the moment of its formation, and water when gently percolating. If the ice and the water in themselves do very little destructive work, the enormous amount of destructive work done must depend upon what they carry with them; and therefore which- ever medium carries its material the more violently, should prove to be the more destructive-in other words, ice is relatively a protection. Again, the superficial geology of an area is most stable when its surface is compact and kept at a uniform temperature. Can anything be kept more compact or more uniform in tempera- ture than land which is hermetically sealed by ice ? Further, the general principle of protection is accepted by all about other sorts of material; nobody doubts that a cap of sand or a sheet of lava protects what is underneath it from weathering, Why doubt a sheet of ice, and who does doubt it ? Who first started the hesita- tions about it ? Not anybody like my friend Prof. Garwood and Mr. Freshfield, but gentlemen who actually boast that they are students rather than climbers of mountains. I should have thought here was a point where the climbing makes all the difference. You may be an admirable student and yet not know whether those stones are under the edge or on the edge of the glacier. Is it not much better that you should be, as Prof. Garwood, both a climber and a student ? Mr. DOUGLAS FRESHFIELD: I am glad to be able to be present here to-night and to take part in the discussion on the interesting problems raised in my friend Prof. Garwood's paper. I am the more glad, because as far as our Society is concerned, I believe, their discussion was begun by me twenty-two years ago in an article published in our Proceedings for June, 1888, under the title of " The Conservative Action of Ice." Its aim was to adduce arguments, based largely on my own experience of mountain facts, for the conclusion that (I quote textually) " glaciation is relatively a check to valley formation." It was a humble endeavour to support the position of the geologists who at that date were fighting against Tyndall's and Ramsay's assertions that ice was " the paramount influence in the sculpture of the Alps " and of lake basins. This controversy is no new one. Want of time has prevented Prof. Garwood, and will prevent me, from referring in any detail to its earlier phases. Against Tyndall and Ramsay were ranged Sir Roderick Murchison, our President, and the fathers of the Alpine Club, John Ball, Wm. Mathews, Nichols, E. Whymper (in whose ' Scrambles in the Alps ' glacial problems are very carefully discussed) and one whom we regret is not here to-night, Prof. Bonney, the President this year This content downloaded from 194.27.18.18 on Thu, 14 Apr 2016 23:51:32 UTC All use subject to http://about.jstor.org/terms 338 FEATURES OF ALPINE SCENERY DUE TO GLACIAL PROTECTION. of the British Association. We may hope, I think, that at Sheffield he will not miss the opportunity to express ex cathedrd views on our subject, which will come with peculiar force from one equally eminent as a mountaineer and a man of science. Twenty years ago the contest seemed nearly won for those who asserted that the erosive powers of running water and air combined were greater than those of moving ice. But latterly there has been a recrudescence, principally in Germany and America, led by Prof.
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