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CANADA VOLUME 135 S NUMBER 109 S 1st SESSION S 36th PARLIAMENT OFFICIAL REPORT (HANSARD) Tuesday, May 26, 1998 Speaker: The Honourable Gilbert Parent CONTENTS (Table of Contents appears at back of this issue.) All parliamentary publications are available on the ``Parliamentary Internet Parlementaire'' at the following address: http://www.parl.gc.ca 7187 HOUSE OF COMMONS Tuesday, May 26, 1998 The House met at 10 a.m. [English] _______________ CANADA POST CORPORATION ACT Ms. Paddy Torsney (Burlington, Lib.) moved for leave to Prayers introduce Bill C-409, an act to amend the Canada Post Corporation _______________ Act (letter that cannot be transmitted by post). She said: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present this private D (1005) member’s bill, an act to amend the Canada Post Corporation Act. [English] Once it is enacted it will ensure that Canada Post does not deliver contests or prizes which instruct people to pay a fee in order to ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT claim their prize. An extraordinary amount of Canadians are inadvertently subject to these fees and moneys are collected. I think The Speaker: I have the honour to lay upon the table, pursuant it is a consumer rip-off. to section 23(3) of the Auditor General Act, the report of the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development It would also instruct Canada Post not to deliver letters that to the House of Commons for the year 1998. inadvertently display logos which mimic government logos on their envelopes. This is again intended to confuse or rip-off [Translation] Canadian consumers. I think this is an important piece of legisla- This report is deemed permanently referred to the Standing tion. Committee on the Environment and Sustainable Development. (Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed) _____________________________________________ * * * ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS PETITIONS HEPATITIS C [English] Mr. Jim Hart (Okanagan—Coquihalla, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I CANADIAN FORCES rise, pursuant to Standing Order 36, to deliver a petition to the House from 665 petitioners from around British Columbia who are Mr. John Richardson (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister asking parliament to revisit the issue of the hepatitis C compensa- of National Defence, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing tion package. Order 32(2), I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the 1997 annual report of the Provost Marshal of the Canadian D (1010 ) Forces. The petitioners are asking that the House reflect on the concerns * * * of citizens of Canada and offer a fair, compassionate and humane compensation package to all who received tainted blood. [Translation] PUBLIC NUDITY GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO PETITIONS Mr. Dick Harris (Prince George—Bulkley Valley, Ref.): Mr. Mr. Peter Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I am pleased to present a Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, petition from citizens of Prince George—Bulkley Valley and also pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), I have the honour to table, in from Prince George—Peace River who are concerned about the both official languages, the government’s response to five peti- growing trend of explicit public nudity and the effect it is having on tions. children. 7188 COMMONS DEBATES May 26, 1998 Supply There are laws in Canada to protect our children against this Therefore these petitioners call upon parliament to establish a form of nudity in all media, but currently there are no laws fund known as the public safety officers compensation fund for the protecting our children in public places. benefit of families of public safety officers killed in the line of duty. Therefore, the petitioners call on parliament to enact legislation to amend the Criminal Code, specifically subsections 173 and 174, * * * the indecent act and public nudity provisions, to clearly state that a woman exposing nudity in a public place, her breasts in particular, [Translation] is an indecent act. QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER The petition is signed by several hundred petitioners from our ridings. Mr. Peter Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand. YOUNG OFFENDERS ACT The Deputy Speaker: Is it agreed? Mr. John Williams (St. Albert, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I am Some hon. members: Agreed. pleased to present a petition to amend the Young Offenders Act to reflect a change in the character of young offenders by increasing the maximum penalty for violent crimes, such as first and second _____________________________________________ degree murder, attempted murder, manslaughter, aggravated as- sault, aggravated sexual assault and armed robbery, to double the maximum penalty and to allow the publication of the young GOVERNMENT ORDERS offenders’ names after a second indictable offence, to lower the age limit which defines a young person to include only those youth between the ages of 10 and 17 and, with violent crimes, youth aged [English] 15 or older should be transferred to adult court. SUPPLY I submit this petition signed by over 200 petitioners in and around my constituency. ALLOTTED DAY—CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM Mr. David Chatters (Athabasca, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I, too, Mr. Jim Pankiw (Saskatoon—Humboldt, Ref.) moved: would like to present a petition on behalf of the family of Barb Danelesko and some 300 other constituents of mine. They ask that That this House condemn the government for the deplorable state of Canada’s criminal justice system, and the government’s lack of concern for public safety, as the Young Offenders Act be changed to reflect the character of demonstrated by their refusal to: (a) strengthen the Young Offenders Act; (b) abolish young offenders by increasing the maximum penalties for violent conditional sentencing for violent offenders; and (c) introduce a Victims’ Bill of crimes, such as first and second degree murder, attempted murder, Rights. manslaughter, aggravated assault, aggravated sexual assault and armed robbery, to double the current maximum penalties and to He said: Mr. Speaker, I will be splitting my time with the hon. allow the publication of young offenders’ names after a second member for Langley—Abbotsford. indictable offence, to also lower the age limit which defines a young person to include only those between the ages of 10 to 17 Today’s supply day motion is aimed at strengthening Canada’s and, with violent crimes, youth aged 15 or older should be criminal justice system. Canadians have lost faith in our justice transferred to adult court. system because it caters to criminals and it ignores victims. The Liberal government has mismanaged our justice system so PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS badly that the protection of society is not its primary purpose. The Liberal purpose for the justice system is the quick release of offenders and the protection of their rights. The justice system has Mr. Peter Adams (Peterborough, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I am become a revolving door for criminals. They go into prison pleased to present a petition signed by people of Peterborough and knowing they will only serve a fraction of their sentences before the surrounding area who note that police and firefighters are being released, free to pursue their criminal activities. required to place their lives at risk in the execution of their duties. They point out that the employment benefits of police and fire- D (1015 ) fighters are often insufficient for the families of those who are killed while on duty. They suggest that the public mourns the loss The solicitor general, the minister in charge of prisons, said in of police officers and firefighters killed in the line of duty. January that he wants more low risk, non-violent offenders on the May 26, 1998 COMMONS DEBATES 7189 Supply streets. Let us examine exactly what the Liberals consider to be will act? How much longer must Canadians live in fear of walking non-violent, low risk offenders. Rapists and pedophiles have been down the streets in their own communities and in their own released into many communities thanks to this Liberal govern- neighbourhoods? The minister’s colourful PR package does ment’s conditional sentencing program. Conditional sentencing nothing to make our streets safer or to address the concerns means offenders serve their time in the community subject to Canadians have about youth crime. certain parole style conditions. The Liberals treat these despicable members of our society as upstanding citizens whom they consider The minister’s proposals leave too much discretion in the hands to be low risk and not deserving of jail time. of judges. We have seen where that has led with conditional sentencing. In typical Liberal fashion it is left up to a judge to On May 19 the Globe and Mail featured a story in which a decide whether names should be published and whether a violent Windsor woman was in a grocery store and ran into the man who young offender should face an adult sentence. So-called special was convicted of raping her. The man had been sentenced only a sentencing options will also be left to the discretion of judges. few weeks earlier and was given 18 months of house arrest. A 63-year old Kelowna man sexually assaulted his niece and received Rather than ensuring young offenders face stiff sentences and a conditional sentence. Two Montreal rapists received conditional penalties by entrenching them in legislation, the minister wants to sentences. The list goes on and on. leave everything to the whims of judges. Clearly leaving too much power in the hands of judges is not the way to proceed. On December 8, 1997 the justice minister stated in this House: ‘‘We agree in principle that conditional sentencing is working D well’’. Working well for whom? It works great for the criminals, (1020) that is for sure.