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National Museum of the Pacific War Nimitz Education and Research National Museum of the Pacific War Nimitz Education and Research Center Fredericksburg, Texas Interview with Mr. Arvon Ewing “Gunner” Caruthers Date of Interview: April 21, 2009 National Museum of the Pacific War Fredericksburg, Texas Interview with Mr. Arvon Ewing “Gunner” Caruthers Interview in progress. Ed Metzler: This is Ed Metzler; today is the 21st of April, 2009. I am interviewing Mr. Arvon Caruthers in Fredericksburg, Texas at the Nimitz Museum. This interview is in support of the Center of Pacific War Studies, archives for the National Museum of the Pacific War, Texas Historical Commission, for the preservation of historical information related to this site. Let me start out first by explaining that your nickname is “Gunner,” correct? Mr. Caruthers: Right. Ed Metzler: So I’m not going to call you Arvon anymore. So, Gunner, thank you first for spending the time to share your experiences with us today. Let me just get you started by having you introduce yourself and tell us something about your family and then we’ll take it from there. Mr. Caruthers: Okay, I’m Arvon Ewing Caruthers, W-4 Warrant Officer, Gunner, United States Navy, retired. Ed Metzler: When were you born? Mr. Caruthers: Born in 1919, December the 22nd. Ed Metzler: And where were you born? Mr. Caruthers: Uh, Shorebergs (sp?) or general area of Yorktown, Texas, DeWitt County. Ed Metzler: So was this out in the country; was your dad a farmer? Tell me a little more. Page 1 of 64 Mr. Caruthers: Well, it’s about four miles out of Yorktown, and Yorktown’s a little hick town. (Laughter) Ed Metzler: (Laughter) We won’t tell them you said that. Mr. Caruthers: Yeah. Ed Metzler: So was he a farmer? Mr. Caruthers: No, my dad was a carpenter and a mechanic and he built houses and worked on automobiles and so forth, and at one time, they run a little general store... Ed Metzler: Uh hum. Mr. Caruthers: ...but it went bankrupt, and...but we still lived there. Ed Metzler: Uh hum. What about brothers and sisters? Mr. Caruthers: Well, the first born was the...deceased, and then I had three brothers and three sisters. My oldest sister was born first and then came my oldest brother, Kenneth, who served in the Air Force [s/b Army Air Corps ?] during World War II. And by the way, there was four brothers all in World War II; I’ll get to that... Ed Metzler: Okay. Mr. Caruthers: ...later...later. So there were three brothers and three sisters and we walked about three miles to school; little two-room school; barefooted; rain or shine; cold or hot (laughter), and that was about the extent of it. I... Ed Metzler: Uh hum. Mr. Caruthers: ...I didn’t complete high school, but I was GED later. Ed Metzler: Uh hum, uh hum. Mr. Caruthers: And... Page 2 of 64 Ed Metzler: How old were you when you quit high school? Mr. Caruthers: Uh, I was about seventeen, I guess, sixteen, seventeen... Ed Metzler: Uh hum. Mr. Caruthers: ...and we were out on the farm at that time, and I was plowing behind the mules and...as they would say in the Navy, “Bore sighting a mule!” Ed Metzler: (Laughter) Mr. Caruthers: (Chuckles) And... Ed Metzler: And so that doesn’t leave a lot to the imagination. Mr. Caruthers: Yeah (laughter). After I got a little bit older, I went down to Corpus Christi, Texas with a friend of mine and I met his brother and his brother had been in the Navy. Ed Metzler: Uh hum. Mr. Caruthers: He advised me, “A young fellow like you needs to be in the Navy,” and so I went down to the Post Office and took my exam and they said, “Everything is fine.” Ed Metzler: Now this was the Post Office in Yorktown? Mr. Caruthers: No, in Corpus Christi. Ed Metzler: Oh, this is down in Corpus, sorry. Mr. Caruthers: And they said, “Everything is fine, but you have to go back to your home district, and my home district was in San Antonio. So I hitchhiked to San Antonio and they says, “Everything is fine,” but I would have to get my birth certificate, and my mother would have to sign it ‘cause I wasn’t nineteen. Page 3 of 64 Well, I was eighteen at the time, but it...I had to wait on a waiting list for nine months. Ed Metzler: Man! Mr. Caruthers: They...they didn’t call me until May of ’39, and I signed up in ’38. I made several trips to San Antonio checking on “When am I going to go?” And I was hitchhiking up with one of the neighbors who drove...bought and sold calves and we rode this...cattle truck up. Ed Metzler: (Chuckle) Mr. Caruthers: And he’d let me sleep in the cab while he went to a motel. The next morning they were unload their...their livestock, and I would get over to the...the recruiting station. Ed Metzler: Uh hum. Mr. Caruthers: And...finally the called me about...around the first three or four days of May of ’39 and had me to report in San Antonio and that was a sub-station recruiting. I had to go to Houston to actually join and they sent me on a train, a passenger train; first time I had rode a passenger... Ed Metzler: That was a big deal! Mr. Caruthers: Yeah, and so we...signed in the 10th of May in 1939. Ed Metzler: Well, you can tell it wasn’t wartime; they made it hard for you get in, didn’t they? Mr. Caruthers: Well, there were only accepting...around one out of every eleven that was trying to get in. And some of them would give up, you know; they’d been waiting a long time. Page 4 of 64 Ed Metzler: Uh hum. Mr. Caruthers: Anyway we rode the...the train to...San Diego and went through boot and it was... Ed Metzler: And it was probably your first time out of...outside of Texas, wasn’t it? Mr. Caruthers: Yeah, first time out of Texas. And I went through the boot training in San Diego; I completed that in three months, and they sent us on leave. So we took ten days leave and rode the...Greyhound buses...not air conditioned (laughter) all the way back to Texas, and I spent a few days at...at home with... Ed Metzler: This is right in the middle of summer, too, isn’t it? Mr. Caruthers: Yeah, and then we rode the bus back to California and just waited around a week or so and they sent us...they told us where we were going to go...and I was assigned to the Command Non-battle Force, Pearl Harbor, well that was the USS Oglala. So I rode a tanker from San Diego up to...Long Beach; waited there a few days; a couple days later, they unloaded and then went back to San Diego; got another load of fuel and went back to Long Beach and transferred over to a repair ship, and I stayed there for a week or two and I caught another tanker to...to Hawaii, and that was my start. I went aboard the Oglala and I was in the deck force scrubbing decks... Ed Metzler: And tell me again what the Oglala was? Mr. Caruthers: Flag ship with a mine force. Ed Metzler: Okay. So you’re swabbing decks, huh? Mr. Caruthers: Yeah, among other things – painting and chipping paint and so forth. And after about four...four to six months... Page 5 of 64 Ed Metzler: Now is she staying in port or is she going out or what? Mr. Caruthers: Both; she was going in and out, and I decided I wanted to get in the Engineering Force, so I put in a chit to be transferred to the black gang, and the Boatswain Mate in charge...he was going to lose me and they had a request for two men to go the minesweeper, [USS] Tanager, so he transferred me because he was going to lose me anyway... Ed Metzler: Rascal! Mr. Caruthers: (Laughter) and myself and another sailor was transferred over to the Tanager. Ed Metzler: She was a minesweeper? Mr. Caruthers: Minelayer. Ed Metzler: Minelayer. Mr. Caruthers: Well, both; it was a minesweeper with an auxiliary rails that we was supposed to load which would (unintelligible words). Ed Metzler: (Unintelligible sentence.) Mr. Caruthers: ...on both sides. Ed Metzler: Tanager...T-a-n-a-g-e-r? Mr. Caruthers: Yeah. Ed Metzler: Okay. Mr. Caruthers: Yeah, it was named after a bird. Ed Metzler: Yeah. Mr. Caruthers: And it was a World War I minesweeper that served over in the Atlantic...England; almost got sunk in the English Channel. Ed Metzler: Really?! Page 6 of 64 Mr. Caruthers: And anyway, we...we worked out of...Pearl Harbor towing targets. We towed barges loaded with everything from bulldozers, dynamite, you name it! Everything that we went to...Wake and Midway...and...and oh, my memory is not all that good...uh, Palmyra Island, and they...they were completely (unintelligible) and the Navy was going to give them up but they did, and...and they built runways and so forth... Ed Metzler: Uh hum. Mr. Caruthers: ...so we made several trips to...towing supplies and men and equipment. And then the Executive Officer caught me one day and he says, “What do you want to do? You want to be a Seaman the rest of your life?” And I says, “Well, I wanted to be Electrician, but they didn’t have...rate but one on that ship,” so he says, “How would you like to be a Mine man; go to Mine school?” Well in those days, they didn’t have Mine men with a rating; it was (unintelligible) Mates, so I says, “Okay,” so they transferred me over to Seamanship and I went to school in Pearl Harbor...Mine school, and it was the old Mark Six Mines.
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