Thursday, November 10, 1966 Kartika 19, 1888(Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES
(THIRD SEIUES)
Vol. LX, 1966/1888 (Saka)
[November 1 to 15, 1966/Kartika 10 to 24,1888 (Saka)]
I<::;'-~i~-. A)·ere· ~LI-IJ.. g' c"
Sixteenth Session, 1966/1888 (Salta)
(Vol. LX contains Nos. 1 to 10)
LOK SABRA SECRETARIAT NI,W DEI.HI CONTENTS
Mf0. 8— Thursdayy November JO, l^SSfKartika 19, 1888 (Saka) Colum ns ‘ral Answers to Questions — •Starred Questions Nos. 211to 216. . 2337—71 Written Answers to Questions:— Starred Questions Nos. 217 to 240...... 2372—90 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1059 to 1149 and 1151 to 1180 and 1182 to 1188 and 1190 to 1208 ...... 2390—2493
. e. Motions for Adjournment and Calling Attention Notices Resignation by Shri Nanda as Minister o f Home Affairs . 2493—2522 ’apcrs Laid on the T a b l e ...... 2523—27 Demands for Supplementary Grants (General) 1966-67 Statement P r e s e n t e d ...... 2527 Business of the House 2527—35 Correction of Answer to S.Q . 249 re. recovery from Messers. Chaman Lai Brothers...... 2535—38 Statement Re. Bokaro Steel Project— Shri P.C. S e t h i ...... 2538-39 Preventive Detention (Continuance) Bill—Introduced . 2539--49 Re. Breach of P r iv ile g e ...... 2549—52 Representation of the People (Amendment) Bill and Constitution (Twenty-first Amendment) Bill ...... 2552—76 Motion to Consider . . . 2552—76 Shri Narendra Singh Mahida . 2554-55 Shri K.C. Sharma . . . . 2555— 58 M. Malaichami . . . . 2558—61 Shri U. M. Trivedi . . 2561—64 Shri D.C. Sharma . . . 2564—68 Shri Radhelal Vyas . . 2569—76
Statement Re. Export Duty on Tea Shri Manubhai S h a h ...... 2576-77 Committee on Private Members Bills and Resolutions Ninety-Seventh R e p o r t ...... 2577-78 Resolution Re. Scheme for Drinking Water for Negatived 2579 Shri Sezhiyan ...... 2579 -86 Shri Narendra Singh M a h i d a ...... 2586—88
♦The sign-f marked above the name of a member indicates that ^ ^ question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that member. lOM (Ai) LSI>—1. («) COLUMKS Shri Nambiar . 2588— 90 Shri V.B. Gandhi , 2590-91 Shri Muthiah . 2 591— 93 Shri Manoh^an . 2593— 95 Shri Mubammed Ismail 2595-96 Dr. Sushila Nayar 2596^-2605
Resolution Rc. Nationalisation o f Books— Negatived. 2605—42
Dr. Rancn Sen . 2605—12, 2640-41 Shri A. N. Vidyalankar . 2613-15 Shri Alvares . . . 2615—17 Shri C.K. Bhattacharyya. 2617—20 Shri Yashpal Singh . 2620—23 Shri P.R. Chakravcrti . 2623— 25 Shri Sheo Narain . . 2625—27 Shri S.M. Bancrjee . 2627—31 Shri P. Venkatasubbaiah. . 2631— 33 Shri Shree Narayan Das . 2633— 35 Shri B.R. Bhagat . . . 2635—40 Resolution Re. Interim Report of Administrative Reforms Commiss n Shri Sinhasan Singh . . 2642 Half-an-hour Discussion Re. Raid on Shri Chaggan Lai Godavat of Rajasthan .... 2643--64
Shri Madhu Limayc . . 2643— 53 Shri Sachindra Chaudhuri , 2656—66 LOK SABHA DEBATES
2337 Oral Answers KARTIKA 19, 1888 (SAKA) Oral Annoers 3338
DOK SABHA the Table of Qie House. [Placed m Thursday, November 10, 1966/Kartika, Library. See No. LT-7288/66]. A cut 19. 1888 (Saka). of 3 per cent in Revenue expenditure and 5 per cent in Capital expendi ture, which was the target, has alM The Lok Sabha met at been made wherever possible. Eco Eleven of the Clock nomies have been located by a realis tic reappraisal of the progress made [M r. Speaker in the Chair] ^ under various projects/schemes an4 ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS the funds likely to be required dur ing the year, and also by dropping Eeonomy in Govemment Ezpendltnre or postponing certain le«r essential + activities. *211. Shri S. M. Banerjee: Shri J. B. S. BIst: Shri S. M. Banerjee: From ihm Shri P. B. Chakraverti: statement it is found that the likely . Shri H. C. Linga Beddj; savings decided by the Economy Shri Daji: Committee in 1966-67 the maximum * Dr. L. M. SinghTl: figure pertains to defence, that la, Shri Yashpal Singh: Rs. 15 crores. I would like to know Shri Kishcn Pattnayak: whether this economy is sought to Shri Madhu Ldmaye: be achieved at the cost of some of the .defence projects which were to WiM the Minister of Finance be come up in the fourth Five Year pleased to state: Plan and which are being reduced (a) whether the Committee of and, if not, what is the actual ex Secretaries set up under the chair penditure which is being reduced? manship of the Cabinet Secretary has submitted any report for reduction of Shri L. N. Mlahra: We are trying expenditure in the various Depart to achieve this economy not at the ments of Government; and cost of any of the essential or import (b) if so, the likely economy to ant projects. be effected as a result of implemen Shri Banerjee: tation of the proposals and the direc S. M. May I know tions in which this economy will whether, apart from this, in the in take place? terests of economy, Govemment have taken a decision despite the growing The Depaty Minister in the Minis discontent among the Central Gov try of Finance (Shri L. N. Mishra): emment employees not to raise their (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The Committee salary for another two years and, if of Secretaries after a review of the so, whether it is true and whether budgets of the Ministries for 1966-87 the Govemmeni is aware that the have recommended a likely economy Central Goveflrnment employees are of Rs. 91 crores. In addition, a sum really groaning under discontent be of Rs. 10 crores which had been cause of the decision of the Govern agreed to as additional assistance to ment? the Railways in 1966-67 w ill not now be required by them. A statement of Shri L. N. Mishra: Yes, it is a fact the figures Ministry-wise is laid on that sometime back the Cabiixet took *339 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Oral Answers 2340
a decision especially after devalua ^>rr Pt: wnft rnsr- tion that the pay-stnicture of the Central Government employees q frffq fr Bhould not be revised or raised for aome period which, I think, is two years or so. -;mT t I
Shri S. M. Banerjee: He has not Shri Priya Gupta: In the context of replied to my other point: whether the economy drive, may I know w n«- he is aware that there is a growing ther the Ministry of Railways are. on discontent among the Central Gov the one hand making Class TV posts ernment employees because of this of Ayahs and other Class III lower heartless and tactless decision of the posts as surplus and in accordajice Government and, if so, the reaction with the statutory book which lays of the Government. down the upgrading percentage by the tribunal the higher grade posts Shri L. N. Mishra: The prices are have not been asked to be filled in, high and naturally the employees in On the other hand, the railway ad tho fixed income-group are hard hit; ministration of the Government of there cannot, be two opinions on this India has set up the ninth railway point. But the overall economy of the zone at this time of economy drive country has also to be taken into ac with a capital expenditure of so many count. The economy of the country crores. May I know how far Govern does not permit any increase in ment is justified in doing this and talaries. cutting down lower posts? Shri P. E. Chakraverti: May 1 know whether this proposed economy Mr. Speaker: During Question Hour in expenditure has been transferred it is not the justification which is to to general revenue or has been allo be asked; only information can be cated to special items of expenditure elicited. under the different Ministries? ,
Shri L. N. Mishra: It has been Shri L. N. Mishra: I am not aware taken item-wise, and as I said, the of the details of ayahs and Class IV economy is about Rs. 24 crores in employees; the hon. member might revenue expenditure and about know better. Regarding the setting up of the additional zone^ it has been Ra 67 crores in capital expenditure done in tho interests of efficiency and with effect from 1966-67. better administration.
Shri A. P. Sharma. From the state ment it is observed that as a result of the decision of the economy com mittee, the railway is likely to save Rs, 5 crores and another His. 10 crores have been promised in 1966-67. The total comes to Rs. 15 crores. May 1 ft ^'r know how this promise of Rs. 10 crores has been made by the Railway • 5PT fem (ft ^ ^ Ministry? Are Government aware that %frr % ? on account of this economy drive in the railways, large-scale retrenchment is being ordered? ^ ^ ^ ’irriTf m m eft Shri L. N. Mishra: I do not think this amount of R s. 10 crores saving is ?TT3K‘ ^ % v f f f v iTRffhT by retrenchment. There might be 2341 Oral Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (SAKA) Oral Atuwert 234a
retrenchment otherwise. But this sav ^ 5,6 7 ing is only on account o f posti>oning of non-essential projects. ^ ^ VTT'fR^fnX ^ ^ %VfTR T C # 'n' ^ ^ ^ ^ Shri Harish Chandra Mathor: If he is not aware, Sir, let the Finance Minister, who is aware of it, answer TT ^9^ ft W I ^ the question. If they are not awarf 2g45 Oral Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) Oral Answers 2346 in a week’s time to let th« House bring the credit policy of the Books know as to what are the concrete re in that region in conformity with the sults of that. I can tell you that we National Industrial Credit Policy? have worked out, and speaking from memory I can say that Rs. 91 crores The Minister in the Ministry of ig supposed to be saved or can be Finance (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) ■aved by observing the cut in dif- Government have not received any re jperent expenditure we are thinking of. presentations that credit facilities are But some items of expenditure be being denied to small scale industries come unavoidable even when we want in Assam. The benefits of the recent to achieve economy. For instance, liberalisation will be available to w e have sudden and unexpected them as well. drought in different parts of the country. So, we have got to send (b ) Does not arise. teams to look after this and recruit other people to help these people. Wo HTO ZTf T O These are items of expenditure which I fV are unavoidable. Therefore, although ^ the general framework is there as to how the expenditure is to be reduced, sometimes circumstances get beyond ITT ^ ^ > r ^ ^ ^ our control. But, in spite of that, I entirely agree with thig House that ITT ^ ^ a^T f ^rr ^TTfT ^ every effort should be made to try to ^ qT^TT I ^ •ontrol government expenditure. Shri Priya Gupta: Including Minis ters’ expenditure. Jfo TTo ^ ^ Shrl Sahindra Chandhnri: Yes, in- oft ^ ^ duding Ministers’ expenditure. I am I I ^ ^ ^ absolutely in agreement with Shri I fsTvTfV ^ t Gupta that Ministers’ expenditure ^ou ld ai50 be controlled. I I % ^THTsrr fsFT TC ^ Reserve Bank Credit Policy ^ ^ g STR ^ •812. Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Slirl P. C. Borooab: Shri Bhagwat Jha A i»d: Shrl S. C. Samanta: Shri Subodh Hansda: rf^ 91 T O ? qrr ^ Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to state: ^ qt^ HFff Jr H W T ^?T ^ ^ ^1 1 (a) Whether Government’s atten ^o HTo t tion has been drawn to the reports that while the Reserve Bank of India has recently liberalised its credit po- qj^r^wT «fh: fTir# ficy with respect to selected small Industries, the banks in the North Eastern region particularly in Assam eprr ^ ■Te pursuing a contrary policy; and (b) if so, whether Government have taken any steps through the Assam Government or otherwise to Oral Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 *343 Oral Ansurers 2344 let the question be postiwned, parti on paper. The net result has always cularly on this particular issue, 1 been that there has been an increase addressed two letters to the Prime in the expenditure of the Government Minister and got an answer that from time to time. Right from the those letters had been circulated to beginning, if you look at the budget all the ministries. records from 1952 onwards up-to- date, it has gone on increasing. The Mr. Speaker: Does the Minister of administrative expenditure, expendi Finance want to answer it? ture on all heads of the Government, 6hri Harlsh Chandra Mathur: Let has been increasing. One day, when somebody answer it. I would request di.scussing thig matter with the ex you, Sir, to postpone this quo.^tion to Finance Minister, Shri Krishnama- be answered at 3.00 or 4.00 in the chari, he agreed with me and said that evening. Thig is a very vital matter he has impressed upon every de affccting the economy of the country. partment that this expenditure must be brought down to the level of 15 The Minister of Finance (Shri per cent. That has been an old story. Sachindra Chandhuri); I certainly re Now, nearly after nine or ten months cognise the vital nature of the question this matter has again cropped up. I that the hon. Member, Shri Mathur, would like to know whether really has put. But this is not quite related efforts are being made or still some 1k> the main question before the thing is on paper only? House. Before I make an answer I w ill go into the matter and I w ill Shri Sachindra Chaudhuri: The write a letter to him on that. answer is this. So far as Shri Tri vedi is concerned, while I do n o t..., Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: I have received a letter from the Prime Bhrl Basappa: Why shou’d it be Minister. I do not raise any question for Shri Trivedi and Shri Mathur only until and unless I am satisfied that the whole House is interested. it ig necessary and until and unloss T Shri Sachindra Chandhuri: Let find that it is in the great interest of m© finish my sentence. What I say La, the country. Therefore, I raised this so far Hg Shri Trivedi is concerned, point. I am not satisfied with any he has made certain statement! letter from anybody on such a vital which I cannot say have been made matter in the interest of the nation. by other Members of this House and that why I said that Shri Trivedi Shri Sachindra Chandhuri: Very has made a statLment. I am not in a well, so far as that is concerned, cer po.sition to challenge or otherwise tain points have been raised in Shn contradict what he has said, and I Mathur’s letter to the Prime Mmister am not doing that. Therefore, grant e f which a copy has come to me. I ing that there hag been an increase to w ill look into each one of those points the tune as suggested by him in gov •nd when making a reply see that ernment expedituTe over the last fif each one of those points is answered. teen years, Government revenues M Shri Mathur wants postponement have also increased. Therefore, a of the question, let it be postponed, I proportion has got to be considered. do not mind. The activities of Government have Shri U. M. Trivedi: The little narr increased and different department* had to be started. So far as the nar ation which has been given of facts rower question is concerned, every bv Shri Mathur hss effort is made to try and contain the ^ o n t issue. We bMn sering expenditure in every ministry of irnd noting for the ' “f .'’ “ '^1 " government. So far as my ministry ^ o r t a f t e r effort is concerned it is making that effort a n d I will be in a posiUon. a s I s a id . 2347 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Oral Answers 2348 « o To ^ ^ (b) il so, how many recommenda tions have been accepted and imple irnr ^ ^ 5*^ I ^ mented and in what manner? 9ft 1964 ^ The Deputy Minister of Finance 22 «ift (Shri L. N. Mlshra); (a) and (b). ^ «fV I 1965 11 The points discussed at the conference convened by the Prime Minister have ?[^3nT 700 % ^tw pf # ?rr§ «flf been examined and the decisions are 42 Ir 5JTKT ^ ^ expected to be taken shortly. ^ ^ t I ^ ^fh: ^rnrvff^ir, ^?r f+'d^fr Shri Surendra Pal Singh: One of * ^ o mo Committee were placed befor* lh « Parliament. They have given som# wft ^ !Tf?T I fUT recommendations. About the fixine ^ 5!T^fqr ^ I f% of responsibility, that is already tber» r^T^T 5T*t»T< ^ ^ ^ and some other recommendation that was made by the Committee presided ?n^ft*T ffTTT I over by the Prime Minister is alM Sr^FT ^ ^ »T5C^'t ^ under consideration. ?fy?: ?T>7T ?r>fT f w ^TTTT ? Shri A. P. Sharma: May 1 know f JTT ^ 5T|t I %rfftJT^RW% how many superannuated officials ar* employfed in these public undertakings ?rfe^ ’R’^T and what is the reason for the sa^me? qf®?f^ ^f 517^ ^ fjT^ If Is it a fact that you do not get younf and new administrative officials and ^ irfiiV R t ^ % ^qfg^nxt that is why these people are employ t eft f ^ ed there? wrr^ % f?HT wrmr wrr T^ ^ ? Shri L. N. Mlshra: It is a fact that ■ome of the retired officers have join Wo «TTo f*T*T‘ ^ ^ ed public undertakings and this point ^ t. ? ' was also raised and the Government 5^® ^ in^ft ^ ^f^nrr Mf®n+ has to make up its mind on that aiao. ^nfhnr % ^ I ?rh: Shri A. P, Sharma: How many ar« there? Can you give the number? % ^ 7 ^ ^ . . . . Shri L. N. Mishra: I cannot g i ^ the number. Mft ^ o FCTo irf^lTTfT ? «ft Ho 5no ft w : ilHivni ^ il’ iw rrm f?T|! : w r v c ^tit ^ *RTT W«t>dT ^ I f»T% ^ ?T^ nO'^T ^ ftf> ? rTqr q=rr SpFT I, vrrsr ^ ^qifY»r ^ ^ ^7^ 5n% ^ eft ^ I ^ 'STPTTT ^ y r V R f^f'.’fdT ^ I ^ftf Shri U, M. Trivedi: He has npt answered my question. He has merely made a remark. The whole question ¥3T^ ^ i I is this. So far as recruitment to Class III and Class IV is concerned, they «ft : fJJT iT^ do not require much of intelligence and sufficiently well educated persons ^ ’Tf®^ it STT^^ are available in all parts of India. ^>eTT| ?rk How is it that for public sector under takings, people from Delhi or Calcutta ^TTir ^ sr>5^51?f ^ I ? flTT or Madras are brought into Madhya ?nr^T ^ I % tfr^^TT^ Pradesh? I want to know this. ?fh: ciT^ ^ ^ Shri L. N. Mishra: I have nothing ??IT^ ^^TTTT ^TTTT ? to say. People go from Madras or Delhi or Calcutta to Madhya Pradesh «(> Ho ?TTo : # iTFpf^ ? r ^ also. Madhya Pradesh is not a prohi bited area. Anybody can go there. ^ i? f^ ^f5?r^ it Sliri U. M. Trivedi: They should not sft^9R ^ ^ ?>arr I I get employment because the head w i wr^ qfwRT offices are situated here? I would « 2iT?T t srr^ts: ?t1 like to have a clear answer to this. ^ ^ 5T1X ^ ^2X ^ ^TcT Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Next Que.stion. ^ITcft ^ ^ *rr 5iT^ ^ ?f if^r Ajnin Chand Pyarelal Group of v n ^ ^r^Tcft ^ I Firms «fV Wo 5To 5prf : ^ T ^ Z ^^RTT ^ 4* *£14. Shri Midhn Limaye: I I Shri Kishen Pattnayak: Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia: Shri U. M. Trivedi: When thi* W ill the Minister' of Finanee b« Question No. 787 was answered on pleased to state: the 1st September, 1966, I put a sup plementary and the question that I (a) whether Government’s atten kad raised was: Have instructions been tion has been drawn to the import given to these public undertakings by the Amin Chand Pyarelal group that where the trmployment of Class of firms of certain steel plates of III and Class IV employees is con sizes other than those mentioned in cerned, the recruitment should be the licence on the basis of the ille ■lade locally? gal issuance by the Steel Controller of Customs Clearance Permit; Now, has that been implemented or has the Government written to them (b) whether the customs autho that such must be the procedure that rities had refused to honour the Cus they should follow? toms Clearance Certificate and had seized the goods; Shri L. N. Mlsra: This is an old (c) whether the Special Polico complaint. But there cannot be ‘must'. Establishment has carried out any Local people can be encouraged be investigation into this violation; and cause their land, etc., is acquired for that project, but there cannot be (d ) if so, the results thereof and Ynust*. The hon. Member is a lawyer the action taken against the partj, and he must know this. It is also the Steel Controller and other ofH- against the Constitution. cerg concerned? 2353 Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) Oral Answers 2354 The Minister of State in the Minis- trj of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhagat): (a) Three importations by Messrs Amin Chand Payare Lai of black plain •heets, hot rolled— commercial quality eft ^ — ol a sizG not mentioned in the licen 5TT ^ ^ I ce were noticed in the year 1963—one each at Calcutta, Bombay and Madras «r> fFHTq : it f'TIT ports. (b) The original customs clearance IT>T r?T| 5ft % fft^ permits issued in all the three cases ^ I were subsequently amended by the Iron & Steel Controller to cover the aheets of the size imported, but the ^ ITHT eft ^ . . . concerned Collectors of Customs held that the<« customs clearance permits f m i : ^ fT^T were not valid and, therefore, confis cated the goods subject to redemption on payment of fines and also imposed penalties in two cases. On appeal, 5TT however, after obtaining advice from 11 zi|5sntiJr^^r^^|f5F srt^Tctt^^ i the Law Ministry, the Board accepted the amended permits issued by the Iron & Steel Controller, remitted the «ft : v . m ^ ^'t^nrr penalties and set aside the orders of 5 ^ % ^TT^iTT JT? confiscation. !T^ J!TT «TT I ^ ^ ^ (c) No, Sir. ^ fsFzrr I VF2rv5T iTRt 5trTcr ^ ^ ^ f m 1 (d ) Does not arise. fsT TO qfm 11 ^ =3r r ^ g fUT % mOTT ^t, ^ ^ I ^ I ^ ^IT ^ ^ STOTT ^ firfTOT ?IT^ ^ HTTiT^ VT I np 5TTT5 I ^lC\ ^ I ^TTfflT ^ ITTT t • w t 1 .3 ga «ft m :f?T5frrTcrT llwWf ^ Ff^m , «r>T f I «TTT ^ ^ ^ 5 * *PT ^ I ^ ^ I fTTT ^ ^ TT % WT fqr ^ if^Rnr ^ q^T ^ I fiPT IT ^ ^ ... . 5rm r i ftr ^ Pr^r % ittjut : Shii B. B. Bbafat: If I may quote f^nnr •* in s w the advice of the law Ministry, it was as follows. The Ministry of Law ad vised that: ?rrf% ^ ^ i “A power to issue order confer red by a statute includes the power to amend or vary the order ?raT5T I I fo issued exercisable in the like manner and subject to the like sanctions and conditions (if any), : # Ilf 5TH^ as the original order. Thus, when 5 cHh ^nr the original order issued by the Iron and Steel Controller as con ^ I, ^ ir tained in the Customs Clearance Permit is amended by' making ^ yxsnr ^ v t f alterations in the CCP, the origi nal order of the Controller must ^ S I 5FT *M*f +\cfl be given effect as if it contained f JTT ?TR> the alterations subsequently made in i t ” . ^ Vxnrnr ^ i This is the quotation. iT^tVT : ^ flrTW fiTf^T^ % Tr%5f ti t ^ 368 ^ I ? Wf smT I : «ft ^ fH»m : ?TRI5T “Papers quoted to be laid on the *rr*T I r«F i I Table 368. If a Minister quotes in ^ ^rnmr i m sn 7:5 1 1 i the House a despatch or other State paper which has not been presented to the House, he shall lay the relevant paper on the ^ ^ ^rsnrr ^rr 1 1 Table. Provided that this rule shall not apply to any documents which are fit ijif fvnrv ^ ^crr stated by the Minister to be of f ♦^ihvTi % ^ such a nature that their production would be inconsistent with public ^ITT sr^^T ^ t I interest.” . ? I ^ HTJT ^ | ^ : TOR 5TR- iPT ^SRT? ^ I I ^ I, ^ m 5T5PT ^ I ? I ^ 5 T ^ I Shri B. R. Bhagat: There is no hann vit ftpTR : «ft in laying it on the Table of the House. ^ ^ ^ +?15TT ^ ^ % fnr^ ^ ^ ^ qr fd I 2357 Ansiocrs K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) Oral Answers 2358 1 ^ ?9rr^ Pi'T'^cii ^1 If JTf 'jIH'iI |«IT I ? ^ ^ ^ ^>nf- r ^ 11 ^ ^ ^ wVt: i|o TTo ?Tim : ^ ^ W^TTcff ^ ^EfF^r-g I, if ^ 7qTT f w , ^ it ^ 5IT^ ^ I ?nrr q r t:?? ^rrq ? fcT«T^ : ?TfTTa «fV Ho TTo7i{^^ : ^ lT?fr^ 2Ft 7?^ ^ ^ t 1 n HH^rnnr ^ ? r ^ % f^ ^r if ^ W ^ W S2T^ yc?T ?t W I? ^ ir 5irf^ % ^ I qt^ ^ 5qr?T Sliri Hem Barua: In view of the fact that often these bureaucrats— and WJ «rr, the conduct of bureaucrats has been disclosed thus morning in the letter written by Shri Nanda to Shrimati ^ (Vh +M ^ dl»l <. Indira Gandhi— go about wangling I WT the policies of Government, may I know what steps Government have taken to see that the bureaucrats are ir^ ^ ^ not allowed to modify or amend the % *T? ^ ^»Trf policies of Government in such a 5rnr ? way? «ft g'FV W.^T37 : ^ Shri Ranga: Without the knowledg« ^ ^ o f the Minister concerned. ’RT ^ fv in fN ^ % JT^TT^ ^ r tt^ Shri B. R. Bharat: There is no modi- mdification of policy by bureau *fh: q w fjpfT % 5T ^ crats .... s T ^ #oft VT it Shri Hem Barua: Let him refer to part (a) of the main question. WT^ ^ ^ t ? Shri B. E. Bhagrat: Hhere is no modification of policy In this case. WITW : ^ tI t, I Therefore, that question does not ar’^e, ?T2rT5f it ^ ? ? Shri Hem Barua: May I submit that «ft 5«P»l ^ ffQJfm : the Iron and Steel Controller had modified the orders? JT? ^ infh^ ^ Mr. Speaker: He says that there is no modification. «JT ^ 2FR# ^ ^ 2359 Anstoers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Oral Answers 2360 is concerned, already there is a com prehensive inquiry being instituted. ♦iofV ^ ‘K*T ^irnrfkvvft As for the practice, may I explaia that it was not that in this case any ^ I I special procedure was adopted? But because these imports related to cer «ft3fo TTo HtTTT : ^ ^ ^r 5p5 tain scarce materials whick may be ^TT^ ^ I I needed, the practice in the Iron an* Steel Controller’s office at that tiao* was to give at the beginning an ex Shrl D. C. Sharma: I am very sorry change control permit later on it k) say tkat the Aminchand PV^relal is covered by CCP after the imporls group of firms will always be under taking place or at the time of im scrutiny in this House. I would, portation with a view to take over therefore, like to ask if it is not a their goods for Government use or fact that this group of firms like the for public use, and not allow it to be Emden submarine of the First World distributed at the desire of the fcn- War has been changing its name every porter. In this case the main consig now and then and getting contracts nee w eie the STC and not these peo under those names after getting round ple. So, this was a practice in tbm some persons. May I know what interests of seeing that these good® Government have done to stop these after importation are not abused and benami transactions on the part of that was being adopted. the Aminchand Pyarelal group of Shri Ranga: What about the enquiry firms? Have they blacklisted them? that I suggested? Mr. Speaker: It is too general a Shri B. R. Bhagat: There is a com question. prehensive enquiry instituted, they Shri Ranga: May I know whether will go into all these things. this rmendment or whatever they Shri Ranga: In regard to all thes* call it— he did not want to accept the things? word *modiflcation’— this amendment Shrl B, R. Bhagat: Of course. or addendum that they had made to the original rule or clause that they Shri S. IfL Banerjee: More and had in the regulations was made at more questions have been asked, and the instance of this firm or any other it seems more and more Ministers are fimi only a few months earlier or not? being involved in these cases. So, I That is one thing. Then, in view of would like to know whether it is • the fact that this Aminchand Pyare fact that, although an enquiry has lal seems to be such a favourite with been instituted under the very abl* so many of these departments on so ex-Judge of the Supreme Court, many occasions in regard to so many Justice Sarkar, this particular firm, affairs, would Government be good because they paid Rs. 20 lakhs during enough to institute a comprehensive the EKirgapur Congrefl^ and they hare inquiry to study the various ways again assured more than Rs. 25 lakhs and means by which this group of to the ruling party for the coming firm.s has been reaching several of elections . . . (InterrupHons). their ministries through their various Mr. Speaker: Has he got any justi- activities, and akto are all these acti flcation for putting in this allegation? vities based on honest dealings or whether there is any need for Gov ernment to change their attitude to wards this very important but dang ■ ^ 1 I erous group of firms? Shri B. R. Bhagat: So far as the question of looking into these things i t m . . . 2361 Oral Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) Ofral Answers 2362 Shii S. M. Banerjee: Kindly hear such a committee with such an ea»- me again. nenl Judge and with such personnel. He says they are wanting the report Shri Dinen Bhattacliarja: Let th« to come after the election, as if the Judge is a tool in the hands of the Minister deny it. Government to satisfy the convenien ce of the Government. So, it is de Mr, Speaker: That is enough that finitely an insinuation against the an allegation should come and that Judge and the Commission. I wish the Minister should deny it. you get this expunged. Shri Tyafi: I have another poiat. Shri S. M. Banerjee; Ch:i a point ot ^ ^RTf^ (W ^) personal explanation. Shri Tyagl: I am on a point of ^ ^ ^ rfr irfRfV- procedure. According to the old recog ^Vjtt I nised procedure which you yourselt always point out, . . , ShrS S. M. Banerjee: I put this question only because my information Shri Vasndevan Nair: Is it a poini is that Seth Jit Pal has paid Rs. 20 of order? lakhs to the Congress coflfers during the Durgapur Congress. I want to Shri Tyagi: A member of the oppo know whether there is pressure from sition has every right to bring forward him to delay submission of the report allegations against Ministers or Trea of the Cc^mmission by assuring Rs. 25 sury Benches or anybody as they lakhs to the Congress for the coming choose, but every allegation must be elections, based on sowie information. If some thing is printed in the paper, with Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: On a reference to that he might put a point of order. question, but he cannot invent him self. If there is something in his Sbri S. M. Banerjee: Kindly allow personal knowledge, he must first me to complete the question. commit himself in writing, then only Mr. Speaker: The question has L>een put a question. Now for my hon. completed. friend to say so many lakhs were given to the Comgress etc., is not cor Shri S. M. Banerjee: Let them rect. I would like hhn to produce answer. the source of his information. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: This is not only an insinuation against the Shri A. P. Sharma rose— Government, this is a great insinua tion against the Judge of the Supreme MSr. Speaker: I have heard two Court who is conducting the inquiry. points of order. Shri S. M. Banerjee: I never said Shri A, P. Sharma: I also want to any such thing. There is no imputa say something in this connection. tion. Mr. Speaker: It is not a debate. Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: I said the other day that no Government Shri A. P. Sharma: But he has said which was wanting to see that justice he has got definite information. That was done could have taken more definite information must come before effective steps than to have appointed us, before he makes an allegation. 2363 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Oral Answers ' 2316 Mr. Speaker: They do not aUow me Shri A. P. Sharma: What about the to speak. The hon. Members may other points? Wndly sit down. Mr. Speaker: He may sit down. We Shrimati Beniika Ray: Is it being cannot proceed in this manner. expunged? Shri Tyagi: Can allegations be Mr. Speaker: No, they have not made without any basis? I seek your been expunged. ruling on that. Shri S. M. Banerjee: My hon. friend Mr. Speaker: I have already said Shri H. C, Mathur has raised a point. that unless a Member has got some I have great regard for him. He plausible reasons to believe that there spoke as if I have said so*mething is some truth in the allegation he which goes against the eminent ex IS making, unless he has made some Judge of the Supreme Court. I have enquiry about that, he should not come the same regard for the juditiary as out with an allegation in such a man my friend has. My question was ner. simple. People take money from the big industrial houses. What is there Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Plausible tboul it? My question was whether leui'ons, yes. sn attempt was being made by Pyare- liil, by Jit Pal, to delay the proceed ^ it ^ ings of this committee by assuring Rs. 25 lakhs to the Congress cofI*ars foi t ' • • • (warT^) 25 the elections. That was my question. TJgiTT ^ f in^ I I (Interruptions.) Tile Minister of Irrigation and Mr. Speaker: Mr. Mathur has point Power (Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed): ed out that the Member put his ques May I also draw your attention to tion in this way which is like asking rule 41(2) (v ) which says; whether pressure is being brought so that the report might be delayed . . . “ 11 shall not ask as to the character or conduct of any per Shri S. M. Banerjee: I have got great son except in his official or public regard for the High Court. capacity." Mr. Speaker: That it is done so that the conclusions of the report might not be available . . . ^ ^ I Shri S. M. Banerjee: It will not see the light of day before the elections, shri Fakhruddin Ahmed: It is a re- I can assure you about that. I will fietlion on me; I object to it. also come back here. I can tell you that now. Mr. Speaker: I want to express the displeasure of the House on this. Mr. Speakxjr: Order, order. I am Words are used wrecklessly. not concorned about all that. No alle- pntionr should be made that our Shri K C. Sharma: Those words Judges are amenable to pressure. should be expunged. Shri S, M. Banerjee: I have not Mr. Speaker: I expunge them. made any such allegation. Shri Tyaffi: I seek your ruling on the point I raised. firr t ^ i •* Expunged as ordered by tlie Chair. 2365 Oral Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) Oral Answers 2366 witwf m^hror: ^ ^ hvctt Pnbllc Sector UnderUkinfS I ?f»‘f^n^*TT I + *215. Shri P. B. Chakraverti: sftWTTT^ : Shri H. C. Linra Reddy: w r t ^ ?rr^ ..., W ill the Minister of Finance bo pleased to state: (a) whether Grovermnent have examined the suggestions made by Shri S. G. Barve, Member of the I Planning Commission, for improving the working of the public sector Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed: My sub- undertakings; mispion was that a question could not (b) whether there is any proposal be psked if it related to the character to introduce longer tenure for Chief Or conduct of any person except in Executives of such Undertakings; his official or public capacity. Any question which refers to the conduct (c) the steps taken to utilise the ijnd character of a person who is not talents of top professionals from the a public official or a Minister cannot private sector to improve the effi be* rnised here. ciency of public sector imdertakingg; and vnrA : ^TE^rspT (d) how far Government *have allowed the units to exercise maxi ^T?ft ^ in the Enterprises carrying pay above ^ certain prescribed levels. They also provide for issue by Government of Tfir, directives to the Enterprises, but this 4 ? power is sparingly used. In all other matters, the public Enterprises Ho 9TTo f»T«T : STTTTir ^ are entirely autonomous. Shrl P. R. Chakravcrti: Has the I, XT Government taken into account the I I TT fact that young men of promise are now feeling themselves tempted, to ’ETRT%, nrirr spT go in for private enterprise rather ^ I I ^ 5Fr^ ^ than public enterprise and, if so, what steps are being taken to see that they take the place of the superannuated TT KT d ^ F>ersons who are now in office? Shri L. N. Mlshra: This is an old question which has already been Shri Vasudevan Nair: The hon. raised in this House. I had a study Minister stated that they are trying made about this matter when I was to absorb the professional people in in the Home Ministry, and it was re the public sector. I would like to ported to us that Government jobs know whether soma conditions are are proving to be less attractive to being laid down when such people bright young men than the private are brought into the public sector; jobs because of the salary scale etc., for example, that they should not and the Government has been trying have any vested interests, financial in to meet this point. terests, in any other private industry which they were serving till that ahri p. R. Chakraverti: May I know time? whether the Government can indicate Shri L. N. Mishra: I think thi« the number of Indians who are today condition is there. I might say that employed in technical jobs outside some of the people who have conoe India and, if so, whether the Govern from the private sector have done ment is trying to persuade them to exceedingly well in the public sector. come over here and join our deve lopment projects? Shri Vasudevan Nair: I want to know whether some specific condi Shri L. N. Mishra: This question tion is there. was also answered hnre sometime Shri L. N. Mishra: That is there. ago. It is a fact that some of the technicians, and engineers and doc Shri A. N. Vidyalankar: May I tors find more attractive jobs out know the number of heads of public side this country. Efforts are being undertakings who are technical men made, as you know, to find jobs for and the number of those who are non them here, in Government, and technical men? there is response also. Shri L. N. Mishra: I want notice. Shrimati Renuka Ray: In reply to ^ ^ frqr part (d) the Minister said that there cPTT is a good deal of autonomy now re garding drawing up of the budget and if f^KPTT allocation of funds. I want to know whether any steps are being taken to 2369 Orol Answers KARITIKA 19, 1888 iS A K A ) Oral AnswevM 2370 »ee that sanctions and actual allot by Mr. Barve also. That is a very ments of money are done quicker and important‘ one and that is being exa there is autonomy in that respect also, mined. As I said in my main reply, so that the heads of public under we are going to have these aF>point- takings do not have to wait for long ments for 4 to 6 years. Frequent periods before sanctions and allot changes have to be stopped in the in ments of money are actually made? terests of efficiency. About IA S and ICS officers being heads of these Shrl L. N. Mishra: The financial undertakings, this is also a policy control in respect of public enter decision. Efforts are being made to prises is very much difTerent from put technocrats as heads of these that for other ministries and depart undertakings as far as possible. ments of government. They have got autonomy and things are done expe Settinf op of Central Rajasthan ditiously. Canal Authority Shii K. D. MaJaviya: Is it not a fact that the two steps contemplated i.e. *216. Dr. Kami Sinfhji: selection of private sector experts and Shri Yashpal Sinfh: prolongation of period from 4 to 6 Dr. Ranen Sen: years, are proving wholly inadequate Shri D. C. Sharma: with regard to improving the func Shri Snrendra Pal Slnfh: tioning of public sector and that it is Shri Hokam Chand necessary now to go deeper into Kachhavalya: these problems with a view to real Shri Onkar Lai Borwa: ly improving the functioning of the Shri Bade: public sector? Shri Klndar Lai: Shri L. N. Mishra: The hon. Mem Shri yiflhram Frasad: ber has been a champion of the W ill the Minister of IrriraUon and public sector. I would only plead Power be pleased to state: with him to have some patience and I believe things will improve. (a) the reasons for the delay In setting up the Central Rajasthan Canal Authority; and Shri Ranga: Have Government given proper consideration to the re (b) when Government propose to commendations and observations start full-scale operations for the made by the Public Undertakings development of the area through Committee? In view of the fact that which the Rajasthan Canal would the committee have found that fre pass? quent changes have been made in the top officers of the Shipping Cor The Minister of SUte in the Minis poration and Steel Corporation, have try of Irrigation and Power (Dr. K- L. Government come to the conclusion Rao): (a) Further detailed studies in that they should avoid making these respect of administration and other frequent transfers and changes and a related issues are under study. definite term of tenure is assured to the top executive and as far as possi (b") Development works in the ble I.A.S. and I.C.S. people should Rajasthan Canal area are already not be foisted on these undertakings, being carried out, and it is proposed as has happened in regard to the oil to step up their progress. and gas concerns, and technical peo Dr. Karrt Singhjl: May I know ple should be preferred whenever it when the work of the lift channel is possible? from Birdwal will be taken up, what 8hn L. N. Mishra; About the first is the amount involved and whether part, that is exactly the point made it has been sanctioned? May I know 2371 Oral Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 2372 whether any proposals have been re- WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUES (Jeived from Rajasthan Government TIONS to extend the scope of this lilt Banking in Raral Areas channel to include Churu district also? *217. Shri B. K. Das: Dr. M. M. Das: Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Dr. K. L. Rao: The lift channel is Shri Bhagwat Jha Aiad: already included in the sanctioned Shri S. C. Samanta: project. But it been under con Shri Sabodh Hansda: sideration to extend the lift channel Shri Shree Narayan Das: more than what was intended origi nally. Originally it was to serve 2-1 j 2 W ill the Minister of Finance be lakh acres; now it is proposed to ex pleased to state: tend it to nearly 5 to 6 lakh acres. Re garding the inclusion of the Churu (a) whether it is a fact that the area, we have asked tbe State Gov banking habits of the people even ernment to investigate and see if in rural areas are increasing very there are any possibilities. We have rapidly; not received any report so far. If (b) whether it is also a fact that any favourable report is received, the Postal Savings Banks and the naturally that also will be included. few branches of the State Bank ot India and some other Commercial Banks have been found to be inade Dr. Kami Sing>hji: May I know quate for the need; why in spite of the assurance given (c) if so, tbe steps taken to by the then Minister of Finance, Mr. augment the banking facilities in T. T. Krishnamachari, that the Rajas rural areas; and than Canal project would be taken over by the centre, the same was not (d) whether the establishment of done? May 1 know why the Finance a separate National Savings Itank Minister now wishes to visit Rajas mainly to mobilise the resources in than Canal Project, and why it has the rural areas is under considera been cancelled? tion of Government? The Deputy Minister in the Minis Dr. K. L. Raio: There have been try of Finance (Shri L. N. Mishra): some change of circumstances since (a) Yes. Sir, as indicated by the the ex-Finance Minister visited the growth in recent years of detposits in area. A t that time it was thought banking oflRces in rural and soni- that this project could be taken over urban areas. by the Government of India, but the legal advice was that unless there are (b) and (c). The State Bank and two States involved, for a single its subsidiaries and the commercial State an authority of the Govern and co-ODerative banks have already ment of India cannot be appointed. about 2250 offices in rural and semi- Therefore, this authority has to be urban areas. The number of branch appointed under the State. That is Post Offices doing savings bank work, being considered. The present which function mostly in rural areas, Finance Minister just wanted to ac is also now nearly 37,800. Further quaint himself with the work that is the State Bank, its subsidiaries and in progress in the Rajasthan Canal. other commercial banks are imple His visit has nothing to do with the menting a branch expansion pro Rajasthan Canal Authority as such. gramme to cover as many unbanked areas as r>ossible. The Co-operative banks and the Post Office Savings 2373 Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1688 (SAKA) Written Ansioer* 2374 Bank are also endeavouring to open more branches in rural areag. * 219. iTo ^ jo : (d) No, Sir, t o t t : Repayment of Foreign Loans m vnrr? : *218. Shri Sezhiyan: W ill the ^0 h t»rt : ter of Planittng and Social Welfare TTo ^o : be pleased to state; vii : (a) whether the attention of Gov ernment has been drawn to comment made by a Member of the Planning Commission at the Export-Import ftnPTH^ ^ frqr Council held in Bombay on the 17th September, 1966 regarding the failure of the planning in respect of repay ment of foreign aid; (b) whether Government have made any assessment of the extent (^ ) of th» failure; and % fm , ^ (c) the remedial steps taken or TTfl?I 5FT JTR I ^f^SRT proposed to be taken in the matter? % 7Tf?T ^ ^ ; (’t ) The Minister of Planning and Social Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): (a) Yes, Sir. At the meetmg refer 7j f 9T JTf ^ % red to. Prof. V. K, R. V, Rao, Mem ber, Planning Commission, said that irk until now it had not been recognised sufficiently that if the country bor rowed from abroad, interest payments (^ ) ^ ^TTlfJTT % and repayments of capital could De t w(ft j=rtt made only through more production ^ ^ ^ srrfiH ^ and more exports. ^ rPTT (b) and (c). The question of fail ure of planning in regard to repay ments of foreign aid does not arise, m vm cm f^wrm since the Grovernment has not default iNfV («ft ^ : (^ ) ed at any time in making the schedul ed repayments. The problem of ttW ^ 75 balance of payments in relation to ftjpFT '^’TPTT %■ ^ planned development and the attam- ment of self-reliance has been 3 ^ ? ^ % TTfTft if studied from time to time particular IRT «IT I W m 5 2 ly since the formulation of the Third Tir^ ^ % ?T«n‘ 10 5 ^ ^^ Plan. The Draft Outline of the Fourth Plan lays particular stress on ^ 4 9 % %rr the attainment of self-reliance as mTTT n^TPT W7T ?T7JT early as possible, and sets out in f I detail, in chapter II, the measures that are proposed to be taken to (^ ) ^ ^ 7 0 attain this goal by the beginning of the Sixth Plan. WTT »nrr «rr 28 2375 'Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2376 Import Licenses for Pharmaceatlcal Raw Materials ^ 15 T O T W i r 9TFT> fsTTT^r % «^wRf^«n?nrwrf?r^ *220. Dr. L. M. Singhvi: W ill the Minister o f Health and Family % ^'t =5T5rT^ % f?HT I Planning: be pleased to state: ( ^ ) 17^ ^ frefr (a) whether it is a fact that the ^ I E^Tnr t ^rt % liberalised import policy implement- ^ f^lTT ^TcTT I I 19 66-67 *r #*d by Government has resulted in f ^TT I I giving import licenses for finished raw materials particularly in the , («r) =3tW jfrir^TT % n pharmaceutical fields for which suffi cient installed capacity exists in this 5 0,000 Try ^?T H ^ T ) country; ?TT% ifr^iTT^ 9nf^i-5r ^ (b) if so, whether Government f^fT 49 have taken up the matter with the ^ ?iTir I licensing authorities concerned; and ^c) whether any action has been taken to rectify the lapse? #Jnft%r?TT U)66-67 TTTrnr ^ - R f The Minister of Healtli and Family Planning (Dr. Snshila Nayar): (a> ?t^5T?T T^V 7 T ^ The Ministry of Commerce had libe I ralised the policy in respect of im port of raw materials by Actual TTf^T Users in the small scale sector for Tt) the period April, 1966 — March 1967. Under the liberalized F>olicy, it had been decided to issue special impon 1. ?rr5T 5T^ 4. 50 licences for import of raw material* to units in Small Scale Sector, the . 2. 50 2 import entitlement for the special 3- f^ T T 5. 00 licence being three timeg the value of the import licence for raw materials 4- JT^iT 4. 50 issued for the licensing period April 1964—March 1965 or if no licences 5- ^ wn?riftT 0. 75 have been issued to the aplicant for 6. %T^ 5. 00 the period April, 1964—March 1965» twelve times the value of the import 7- TTEIT 4. 00 licence for raw materials issued to him for the period April 1965 — ^March 8. 00 8- Ti’iTT^I 1966. It had also been stipulated 9- ^fTTT^ 5. 00 that the special import licences would be issued for the same items of raw 10 . ifg T 6. 00 materials as were covered by the licences issued for the period- April, 3. 00 1 1 . ^ ^TT 1964—March, 1965 or April, 1965- 12 . (^f^mr^f^) 8. 00 March, 1966 as the case may be. It is, therefore, likely that special im 13. Tl'jTf^TR 5. 00 port licences have been i»sued lor certain raw materials included in the 14. ^ 3 ^ 5 1 ^ 8 . 00 licences for the basic years lor which no adequate production capacity 15. trf^iftsnnw 4. 25 might have existed during the baaic ^377 Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1«88 (S A K A ) WHtten Answers 2378 >r«ars, but guiflcient installed capa Indian Currency had been in circula* city might have been set up subse- tion alongside Nepali Currency; and Chloramphenical. *222. Shri H. C. Linga Reddy: Sodium PAS. Shri P. R. Chakraverti: Calcium PAS. Shrimati Savltri Nigam: Thiacetazone. Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: Isonicotinic Acid Hydrazide. Sliri P. C Borooah: Vitamin C. Shri Bhagwat Jha Asad: Musk Xylol. Sliri S. C. Samanta: Musk Ambrette. Shri Subodh Hansda: Borax. Shri M. L. Dwivedi: ] 0. Boric Acid. Shri K. C. Pant: 3t has also been decided not to W ill the Minister of Irrigation and grant any actual users liifcenced to Power be pleased to state: small scale units for (i) Benzyl Ben (a) the amount set apart and uti zoate and (ii) Calcium Carbide dur lised for the rural electrification in ing the current licensing period. the Third Plan period; Nepali Currency (b) the number of villages electri fied and the irrigation pumps serviced •221. Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: in the country. State-wise; Shri H. C. Linga Reddy: Shri S. C. Samanta: (e) the reasons for the shortfall in Shri Subodh Hansda: expenditure, if any; and Shri M. L. Dwivedi; (d) the programme of rural electri Shri Bhagwat Jba Azad: fication in, the Fourth Plan Period? Shri P. C. Borooah: Dr. M. M. Das: The Minister of Irrigatiop and Shri N. R. Laskar: Power (Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed) t Shri Liladhar Kotoki: (a) The Third Plan provision for Shri Tashpai singh: rural electrification was about Rs. 105 Shri Shinkre: crores. The estimated actual ex Shri Hukam Chand penditure is about Rs. 125 crores. Kachhavaiya: Sbti Kindar Lai: (b) A statement giving the reqisito information is laid on the Table of Will the Minister of Finance be the House. [Placed in Library. See pleased to state: No. LT-7289/66]. (a) whether it is a fact that the (c) Does not arise. Nepal Government have declared Nepali Currency sole legal tender in (d) It is proposed to electrify about tome of its Eastern and Southern 57,700 villages and give power *up- Zones from Bagmati to Mechi border ply to about 7 lakh pump-aats|tiibe ing Sikkim and West Bengal, where wells during the Plan pen 4Mj 2379 "WTitten Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1960 Written Answers 2380 Committee on Transport Policy and The Minister of Irriffation and Coordination P o ^ r (Shri Fakhmddin Ahmed): (a) The proposals for irrigation in *223. Shrimati Vimla Devi: the IV Five Year Plan which have Shri Yashpal Sin^h: been formulated by the State Cxovern- W ill the Minister of Piannini* and ments are now under discussior; with Social Welfare be pleased to refer to the Planning Commission and have the reply given to Starred Question yet to be finalised. Provision for No. 113 on the 28th July, 1966 and minolr irrijgation work.s w ill be in state: the agricultural' sector, whereas medium and major schemes in the (a) whether the Report of the Cona- Irrigation sector. mittee on Transport Policy and Co ordination has since been considered (b). Yes, Sir. by Government; and (c) Does not arise at present as the (b) if so, the decisions taken there Plan has not yet been finalised. on? Cholera Germs in Ground Water of The Minister of Planningr and Delhi Social Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): (a) and (b). The report of the Com *225. Shrimati SavUri Nigam: mittee on Transport Policy and Co Shri H. C. Linga Reddy: ordination is stin under considera- Shri Shree Narayan Das^ ■tion in the Ministries concerned and Shri A. K. Gopalan: thjB Pla|nning Commission. The re Shri Umanath: port is proposed to be placed before Shri Namhiar: the Cabinet Committee on Transport Dr. Saradlsh Roy: shortly. Will the Minister of Health «nd Irriffation Projects Family Planning be pleased to state: *224. Shri S. C. Samanta: (a) whether cholera germs have Shri M. L. Dwivedi: recently been found In tlie water Shri Subodh Hansda: drawn from wells and hand pumps in Shri Bhagrwat Jha Azad: Delhi; and Shri P. C. Borooah: Dr. M. M. Das: (b) if so, the steps taken in this W ill the Minister of Irrigation and regard and also to extend the proper Power be pleased to state; . water supply facilities to placcs serv ed by wells and hand-pumps? (a) whether the allocations in the Fourth Five Year Plan for small and The Minister of Health and Family medium projects for irrigation in Planning (Dr. ^uahtla Nayar): (a) cluding provisions for bandhis are Yes, Sir. Isolation of V. Cholerae has exactly according to the proposals been made at the National Institute submitted by the Ministry or other of Communicable Diseases, Delhi from wise and what are the cuts imposed samples of water drawn from with reasons therefor; a three hand pumps but not from (b) whether the Governments of open wells in Delhi. Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh have submitted their requirements in (b) The steps taken to control the this direction; and spread of cholera and for proper water supply facilities, are enumerat fc) if so, the diffcnance between ed below: the sums of money requested and those allocated in the Central Plan (i) Anti-Cholera inoculation on the basis of estrmates of the camptdgn is being carried Ministry? out rn the effected areas by 2981 Written Answers KARTIKA 19, 1888 (SAKA) Written Answers 2382* inoculating persons with anti (b) if sO, with what result? cholera vaccine containing The Minister of Planninr and El-tor component. Social Welfare (ShH Aaoka Meiito): (ii) The anti-fly measures includ (a) The Central Statistical Organi ing efficient removal and dis sation, in consultation with the vari posal of garbage have been ous State Statistical Bureaus and the intensified. Working Group on State Income is (ill) Strict hygienic control over examining the technical issues and food establishments includ exploring the possibilities of building ing closure of insanitary es up district-wise income estimates for tablishments is being carried a few sectors only on an experimental, out. basis. (iv ) Health education of the peo (b) Does not arise. ple is being carried out by advising them to protect River Water Disputes themselves against the risks of getting cholera or other bowel diseases. *227. Shri Basappa: Shri H. C. Linga Reddy: The following steps to improve Shri P. R. Chakraverti: drinking water supply in the cholera Shrimati Savitri Nigam: aflPected areas are being undertaken: Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: Shri Jashvant Mehta: (i) Extension of piped water supply wherever feasible; Will the Minister of Irrigation and (ii) Supply of clean and potable Power be pleased to refer to the reply water in tankers or in large given to Starred Question No. 527 on drums fitted with taps, the 18th August, 1966 and state the where (i) above is not pos latest position regarding the outstand sible; ing river water disputes among vari ous States and what further steps (iii) Closure of contaminated shal have so far been taken to resolve low tubewells until such them? time they are rendered safe; (iv ) Regular disinfection of open The Minister of Irrigation and wells; and Power (Shri Falchmddin Ahmed): A (v ) Regular disinfection and statement is laid on the Table of the sanitary improvements with House. [Placed in the Library, Sec a view to minimise surface No. LT-7290/66]. pollution of shallow tube wells in cholera affected Electricity Rates In States areas where piped water supply is not available and *228. Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the adequate safe drinking water* Minister of Irrigation and Power be by other means cannot be pleased to state: provided. (a) whether Government are aware Compilation of District-wise National that the electricity rates for Industrial Income data units in U.P. are higher than in other States; *226. Shri Shree Narayan Das: W ill the Minister of Planning and Social (b) whether tlie Indastries are Welfare be pleased to state: suffering because of such higher rates, (a) whether the* .suggestion of comand piling the national inccrme data dis (c) if so. the steps taken to have trict-wise has been considered; and uniform rates in all the States? 2383 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, IBM Written Anstoers 3384 The AUnisUr of Irrigation and World Bank Miasiim Power (Shri Fakhmddln Alimed): (a) In most of the States, the indus *230. Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: trial rates are higher than in U.P. W ill the Minister of Planning and except for 50 K.W. (L.T.) in Eastern Social Welfare be pleased to state: Area under U.P. A statement show (a) whether any World Bank Mis ing the average industrial rates in sion is arriving in India to assess the different States is laid on the India’s foreign exchange needs for the Table of the House. [Placed in Lib Fourth Five Year Plan; rary. See No. LT-7291/66]. (b) what is the programme for the (b ) No, Sir. Mission; and (c) what say and impact World (c) Introduction of uniform rates Bank has in shaping economic poli in all States on an all India basis is cies of Government? not immediately feasible. However, uniformity in the rates charged for The Minister of Planning and Social different classes of consumers within Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): (a) the jurisidiction of aach SUte has and (b). A World Bank team cf ex been brought about in eight States. perts led by Mr. Bernard Beil has The other States are also working been making an appraisement of the towards that end. foreign exchange needs of the Fourth Five Year Plan. The team has not yet Supply of Drinking Water to Rnral completed its assignment. Areas (c) The World Bank is the convenor and the Secretariat of the Aid India •229. Shri Maheswar Naik: Consortium. It is in that capacity that Shri S. C. Samanta: the World Bank has engaged itself Shri M. L. Dwivedi: in the study of Ihe foreign exchange Shri Subodh Hansda: needs of -the Plan, so as to enable it Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: self to interpret them to the Consort Shri P C. Borooah: ium countries. While the World Bank Dr. »r. M. Das: is free to make its own suggestions Shri H. C. Linga Reddy: on the economic aspects of the Plan, Shri P. R- Chakraverti: the question o f its having any say and Shri VIshwa Nath Pandey: impact in the formulation of policies Shri Hem Raj: of Government of India does not Will the Minister of Health and arise. Family Planning be pleased to state: Ceilings on Urban Incomes (a) the progress made in the -231. Shri Kolia Venkniah: scheme of supplying drinking water Shri Vishram Prasad: facilities in the rural areas, State- Shri Nardeo Snatak: wise; and Shri Kashi Ram Gupta: (b ) how long it will take for the Shri Mohan Swarup: rural areas to beccrme fully self Shri C. M. Kedaria: sufficient in this regard? Will the Minister of FInanct be pleased to atate: The Minister of Health and FamUy Planning (Dr. Snshila Nayar): (a) (a) whether Government hav« A statement is laid on the Table of worked out or attempted to work out the Sabha. the preliminary details for the scheme of Ceilings on Urban Incomes; (b ) It is not possible to indicate (b) if so, the details worked otit; any definite period for provision of drinking water in all the rural areas (c) the time required for the prt~ of the country as it depends upon the paration of the scheme; and resource! available. (d) If not, the reasons therefor? 12385 y^ritten Answers KARTIKA 19, 1688 (SAKA) WHtten Answers 2386 The Deputy MinisUr in the Minis (a) whether Government have taken try of Finance (Shri L. N. Mishra): any decision regarding the provision (^) to (d). Government consider that of additional funds for financing the the only effective means of curbing Tawa Multipurpose Project, Hoshanga- high incomes including urban incomes bad, Madhya Pradesh; and is to levy progressive income taxes. (b) if so, the details thereof? The rates of income tax are fixed each year. The Minister of Irrigation and Power (Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed): Overdrawal by SUtes (a) and (b). On account of the very *232. Shri A. K. Gopalan: tight resources position during the Dr. Saradiah Roy: current year, it has not been possible Shri Umanath: to provide any additional financial Shri Nambiar: assistance for the Tawa Project. Shri Basappa: Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha: Jayanti Shipping Co. Shri Maheswar Nalk: *234. Shri Kishen Pattnayak: W ill the MiniMer of Finance be Shri Madhu Limaye: pleased to state: W ill the Minister of Finance be (a) whether the Reserve Bank of pleased to state: India has devised procedure to ensure (a) whether it is a fact that the En that unauthorised overdrafts by State forcement Directorate and/or some Governments from the Reserve Bank other Central Agency/E>epartment had are avoided; made a request to the Gold Control (b) if not, the reasons for the delay; Administrator that he should consider (c) when the procedure is likely to the admissibility of enlisting the help be finalised; and of the Shipping Corporation of India (d) the steps Government propose in establishing and proving the various chargcs of irregularities against to take to avoid drawing of such over Dr. Dharma Teja of the Jayanti Ship drafts by States? ping Company; The Minister ef SUte in the Minis (b) whether any such approach was try of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhagat): made to the Shipping Corporation of (a) to (d). The question of avoidance India; and of overdrawals by State Governments from the Reserve Bank was exan\ined (c) the re.sponse of the Shipping in consultation with the Bank and Corporation thereto? later discussed at a meeting of Chief The Minister of SUte in the Minis Ministers in July last. The measures try of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhagat): which the State Governments were (a) to (c). The Shipping Corpora requested to adopt for this purpose tion of India are at present acting as were indicated in answer to Unstar the Managing Agents of Jayanti Ship red Question No. 499 on the 28th ping Company of which Dr. Dharma July, 1966. Teja was formerly the Chairman. Additional Funds for Tawa Multipur They are, as such, in possession of pose Project the relevant documents of the latter company. As a Government company, •233. Shri Hart Vishnu Kamath: the Shipping Corporation will natu Shri Wadiwa: rally cooperate fuJly with Govot- Shri U. M. Trivedi: ment Agencies who are interested in Dr. Chandrabhan Singli: the investigation of the c h a r ^ Shri Hukam Chand against Dr. Dharma Teja. It would, Kachhavalya: however, not be in the public intetert and to disclose precisely the W ill the Minister of Irrifatloo ^ extent of the assistance which Ihe power be pleased to state: 2387 ’Written Answers NOVEIMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2388 Shipp ing Corporation are rendering the need to avoid inflationary financ to the investigating agencies. ing and to plan for an adequate sup ply of wage goods. It is Government’s Taxes on Petroleum Products endeavour to avoid inflationary fm ancing and to ensure that the supplies •235. Shri Utiya: of essential consumer goods are Shri Madhu Limaye: adequate. W ill the Minister of Finance he pleased to state: Subsidy to Doctors (a) whether it is a fact that several *237. Shri Hem Raj: W ill the Minis public sector transport undertakings— ter of Health and Family Planning Municipal and State— had to increase be pleased to refer to the reply given fares recently; to Starred Question No. 402 on the 11th Augxist, 1966 and state: (b) if so, whether it is a fact that this rise was mainly due to rise in ex (a) the final out-come of the recom cise and other taxes on petroleum pro mendations made by Dr. Lippes; and ducts, tyres and spares; and (b) whether Government have taken (c) if so, the steps proposed to give any decision to give an increased sub relief to consumers and check the sidy to doctors who give extra time price inflation? for this work? The Minister of State in the Minis The Minister of Health and Family try of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhafat): Planning (Dr. Snshlla Nayar): (a) (a) Information is not available with and (b). A statement containing the the Central Government. required information is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Lib (b) There has been no increase in rary. See No. LT-7293/66]. central excise duties leviable r>n any of these articles during the last 12 Food Adulteration months. *238. Shri Nath Pal: (c) Does not arise. Shri Hem Barua: Shri Snrendranath Dwivedy: Stabilisation of Prices Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Shrimati Ramdulari Sinha: •236. Shri Hem Bania: Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: W ill the Minister of Health and Shri Snrendranath Dwlvedy: Family Planning be pleased to state: Shrimati Ramdulari Sinha: (a) whether Government’s attention W ill the Minister of Finance be has been drawn to reports of large- pleased to state: scale food adulteration in the country; (a) whether it is a fact that the (b) whether it if a fact that a large Reserve Bank of India has made cer number of people in Bombay were tain suggestions m their report for i.he recently affected as a result of adul year ending June 30, 1966 towards teration of edible oil; and stabilisation of prices in the country; (b ) if so, the broad outline of these (c) if so, the steps taken to stop this suggestions; and practice? (c) Government’s reaction thereto? The Minister of Health and Family The Minister of State in the Minis Planning (Dr. Surtilla Nayar): (a) try of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhagat); Government has no report of large- (a) to (c). The report has stressed scale adulteration. :1389 Written Answers KARTIKA 19, 1«88 (S A K A ) W ntten Answers 2390 (b) About 300 persons were report (c) the main directives given by ed to have boen affected as a result the Planning Commission for the of adulteration of edible oil. effective implementation of land re forms? (c) The provis’ionj; of Prevention of Food Adulteration Act have been The Minister of Plannlnf and Social made more stringent and States have Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): (a) been asked to ensure proper enforce A ll State Governments including the ment of the Act. Government of Kerala have been re quested to expedite the implementa Equity Capital tion of land reform measures. •239. Shri Sham Lai Saraf: W ill the (b) A scheme for the preparation Minister of Finance be plased to of record of rights as a part of survey state: and settlement operations is being in cluded in the Fourth Plan. (a) whether money has become scare in the Market with the re (c) The suggestions made for ef sult that equity capital is not forth fective implementation of land re coming; forms have been set out in the Draft Outline of the Fourth Five Year Plan. (b) whether causes for this slug gishness in the Money Market have S n rrlin g Case in Calcstta Comrt been gone into; and 1W9. Shri Utiya; (c) if so, the details thereof? Shri Madhu Limaye: Shri Kishen pattnajak: Tbe Minister of State in the Minis Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia: try of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhapit): Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya: (a) to (c). Inventor interest in the WiU the Minister of Finance be equity capital market has suffered a pleased to refer to the reply given to set-back as a result of a number of UnsUrred Question No. 594 on the 28th developments such as the Chiense ag July, 1966 regarding Smuggling case gression Indo-Pakistan conflict last in Calcutta Court and st:te: year and the pause in foreign aid from some sources thereafter, mobi (a) whether investigations have lisation of resources for strengthening since been completed into the failure the defence of the country, the step of a Calcutta Customs Officer to take up in the structure of interest rates proper and effective action, started brought about over the last four years following the seizure of Watches and and the consequential increase in the Clocks and their parts of foreign yields on other forms of investment. make, imported by Calcutta firms; and Land Reform Measures in Kerala (b) if so, the results thereof? The Minister of Finance (Shri *240. Shri Vasudevan Nair: Sachindra Chaadhori): (a) There Shri Warior: was no failure on the part of any Customs Officer to take proper and W ill the Minister of Planning and effective action. In the light of dis Social Welfare be pleased to state; cussions with the Central Bureau of Investigation who are enquiring into (a) whether the Planning Commis the alleged conspiracy to forge the sion have requested the Kerala Gov Import Licences in question, exten ernment to expedite the implementa sion of time for filing complaint was tion of land reform measures; prayed for from the Chief 'Presi (b) whether any steps are proposed dency Magistrate, Calcutta. The io be taken in Kerala for the prepara Court declined to grant the extension, tion of a record of rights; and and discharged the accused persons. 1 391 W ritten Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 239^ After the Central Bureau of Investi over 86,000 and the population per gation finalise their investigations doctor is over 5,000. Similar informa the question of filing a petition of tion in respect of some selected coun complaint as provided under the law tries is as below: w ill be considered. (b) Does not arise. Population Country Year pc r P h y Breaches in Kamla-Balan sic ia n Embankment 1060. Shrimatl Ramdolari Sinha: Afghanistan . 1962 32,coo W ill the Minister of Irrigation and Hurma . . 1963 9,400 Ceylon . . 1962 4 6 Power be pleased to state: , w 'rhailand . 1963 7,600 iTidoncsia . 19(4 31,000 (a) whether it is a fact that experts Unitcil S:atcs 1961 760 of his Ministry have visited the site United Kingdom 1961 91a of the breaches of Kamla-Balan em Sweden . 1961 1,000 bankment some time back, and if so, their conclusions about the causes of the breaches; and (b) Statewise break-up ii not available. (b) th«ir recommendations t« stop the recurrence of such breaohea in According to the information avail future? able the number of hospital beds as at the end of III Plan in India is The Minister of Irrigation and 2,40,100 and the population per bed is Power (Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed): 2,061. Similar information in respect of (a) and (b). A Consultant of this some foreign countries as available is Ministry was deputed to Inspect the given below: sites of the breaches, examine their causes, the adequacy of waterways C o u iu r y Y e a r Populatio^ii under railway and other bridges, sta p e r b e d bility of banks, etc., and to suggest suitable remedial measures. The in vestigations are still in progress and Afghanistjn . . 19^2 8,400 Burma . . . 1963 1,400' his recommendations are expected to Ceylon . . . 1962 2 9 0 be received before the end of Decem Thailand . . 1963 1,260^ ber, 1966. Indonesia . . 1961 Unired Spates . 1961 lid - Population Doctors Ratio United Kingdom . 19 6 1 1 0 0 Sweden . . 1961 70 1061. Slirimati Ramduiari Sinha: W ill the Minister of Health and Average Age in IndLi Family Planning be pleased to state: 1062. Shrimati Ramduiari Sinha: (a) the State-wise population per Will the Minister of Health and doctor in India and in other foreign Family Planning be pleased to state: countries; and (a) the average death age in India (b) the State-wise population per and in other foreign countries; and indoor bed in India and in other (b) the average. State-wise, death foreign countries? rate per population of 1,000 in India . The Minister of Health and Family and in other foreign countries? Planning (Dr. Soshiia Nayar): (a) The Minister of Health and Family Statewise break-up is not available. punning (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) According to the information The expectation of life at birth which available, the number of doctors in could be taken to represent the aver India as at the end of in Plan is age death age in India was 41.80 2^ WHtten Answers KARTIKA 19, i m (S A K A ) Written Answers 2394 yeftrs for males and 40.55 years for The expectation of life at birth for females acording to the 1961 Census. some of the foreign countries in res The average expectation of life in pect of which information is readily India now is estimated to be about available is as given below; 60 years. SI. I-:.\pcctati()n of life N o . C o u n tr y Y e a r ar b ir ih ( Y e a r s ) Male I'cmale f 1. Japan . . . . 19 6 1 6 7 -2 1 72-43 2. M:ilaya . . . . 19 56 -58 55 • 7.^ 5 8 -1 9 3. Philipp’ncs . ... 10 4 6 -4 9 4 S 8 1 53 36 4 . China (l aiwan) . . . 19.) 6 1 -3 3 65 • 60 5. West Germany .... igfi'Z-dz 66-K6 72 19 6. A u s t r a l i a ...... ' . 1953-55 67- 14 72-75 7. U . S . A ...... *963 66 6 73-4 8. U.S.S.R...... 1960-61 6 5 -0 73 0 Source N,N.Dcmoj:raphic Y e a r B > >k, 1964 (b ) Statewise estimates of the death associated by the concerned minis- rates in India for the calander year tries in the formulation and imple 19«3 are indicated in the Statement mentation of individual projects in laid on the Table of the House. the public sector. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-7294/ LJ.C. Housing Loans W]. 1064. Shri V. V. Thevar: W ill the Formulation of Plans Minister of Finance be pleased to 1063. Shri Sham Lai Saraf: W ill the sUte; ifinister of Plaimlnfl: and Social Wel (a) whether it is fact that the loan fare be pleased to state: being given by the Life Insurance (a) whether besides Technical Ex Corporation for constructing houses perts, Ek:onomi 9ts and others, the in urban areas will be extended to Planning Commission have been asso villages also; ciating expert managerial experience (b) if so, when it will be extended; ..vhile formulating industry-wise (c) whether it is also a fact that plans; the Cooperative Societies are exemp (b) whether any such plans, with ted from the payment of stamp fee integrated approach to the problem, and legal fee for the loans drawn have been drawn up and imple from the Life Insurance Corporation mented; and for the construction of houses; (c) if so, the details thereof? (d) if so, the reasons why the The Minister of Planning and same facility is not extended to the Social Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): policy holders also; and (a) to (c). For all major industries, (e) the reasons for not charging the the industrial programmes are drawn same rate of interest for the loan np in consultation with representa being given to the policy holders who tives of the industry and technical are the share holders of the Life experts in the field within the Gov Insurance Corporation for consruc- ernment and outside. Several of the ting houses as is being done for the representatives of the industry asso State Government and Co-operative ciated with these consultations are Societies for the same purchase? senior persons with considerable managerial experience. Management The Minister of Finance (Shri qiedelists are also increasingly being Sachindra Chandhori): (a) to (e). 2395 'Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers *396 The information is being collected (c) the number of persons sentenc and w ill be laid on the Table o f the ed by Courts ftom fhe 1st January, House as soon as available. 1966 to date? (a) whether it is a fact that a large Will the Minister of Finance be quantity of contraband gold was seiz pleased to refer to the reply given to ed on the 25th October, 1966 from the Unstarred Question No. 1340 on the possession of two Delhi jwellers who 4th August, 1966 and state: alighted from the train with gold at Nizamuddin Railway Station; (a) whether framing of an accept able scheme for the repayment of the (b ) if so, the details thereof; and claims of creditors of M/s GJolcha (c) the action taken in the matter? Properties Ltd., Delhi to sell, if neces sary, some of its properties and realise The Minister of Finance (Shri its advances made to associate insti 'Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). tutions so as to enable it to meet the On 25th Octobcr, 1966 the officers of claims on it has since been finalised; the Delhi Central llxcise Collectorate and apprehended two persons who alight- (b) if so, when this scheme will be •ed at Nizamuddin Railway Station implemented? •from the Janata Express coming from Bombay and seized from them The Minister of Finance (Shri 800 tolas of gold bearing foreign Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). markings, valued at Rs. 78,736 at the The company has presented a scheme international rate. of arrangement under section 391 of (c) The two persons were arrested the Companies Act, 1956 to the and subsequently released on bail. Rajasthan High Court, Jodhpur. T^e 'The case is under investigation. case has fteen adjourned to the 22nd November, 1966. Smufgling of Opinm in Punjab Officers Visiting Abroad 1»66. Shri Utiya: Shri Kishen Pattnayak: 1068. Shri Madhu Limaye: Shri Madha Limaye: Shri Kishen Pattnayak: Will the Minister of Finance be Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to refer to the reply given to pleased to refer to the reply given to Un.«?tarred Question No. 2063 on the Starred Question 417 on the 11th 11th August, 1966 and state; August, 1966 and sUte: (a) the number of persons arrested (a) whether information about Offi in Punjab for smuggling opium since cers who went abroad during the 30th June, 1966, up-to-date; period from the 1st January to 31st July, 1966 and from that date to the (b) the quantity of opium recover- middle of September, 1966 has since .ed from them; and been collected; and 2397 Wri tten An«yers KARTIKA 19, 1688 (S A K A ) Written Answers 2398 (b) whether any steps have been per capita State income for the four taken to reduce the ^wx^ber of Lliese year periods (1960-61 to 1964-65) at trips and economise on foreign ex current and constant prices prepared change? by the State Statistical Bureaus on the basis of standard methodology The Minister of Finance (Shri recommended by CJentral Statistical S«chindra Chaudhurl): (a) In Starred Organisation is laid on the Table of Question No. 417, the information was the House. [Placed in Library. See asked only for the period from Janu No. LT-7295/66J. Similar district- ary to July, 1966. It is being collect wise data are not available at present. ed and will be laid soon on the Table of the House. (b) As diverse considerations have Additional information for ^he sub to be taken into account in making sequent period upto middle of Sep allocations of resources for Plan pro tember, 1966, which is now asked jects, it is not possible to relate them for, will also be collected from the directly and in concrete terms to any various Ministries and Departments one particular objective of the Plan. and laid on the Table. However, the objective of promoting of balanced regional development in (b) Yes, Sir. A ll proposals for the country is kept in mind in mak deputation of Government officials ing these allocations. abroad are very strictly scrutinised by a Committee of senior Secretaries Raids on Business Houses and ordinarily only such deputations are permitted as are unavoidable or 1070. Shri Utiya: are likely to lead to substantial sav Shri Kishen Pattnayak: ing in foreign exchange or relate to Shri Madhu Limaye: the defence effort or to training re quirements. Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to refor to the reply jjiven to Per Capita Income Unstarred Question No. 1277 on the 4th August, 1966 and state; 1069. Shri Utiya; Shri Madhu Limaye: (a) whether instructions have been Shri Kishen Pattnayak: issued to complete the investigations Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia: into the cases of business houses raid ed on the 16th and I7th March, 1966 Will the Minister of Planning and in Bombay in very much shorter time Social Welfare be pleased to state; than six months; and (a) whether Government had com (b) if not, the reasons therefor? pleted collection of per capita income figures, State-wise and District-wise, The Minister of Finance (Shri before formulating the draft of ‘ihe Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). Fourth Five Year Plan; The Enforcement Directorate is aware (b ) in what way the allocation that investigation in every case under the Fourth Plan have been con should be completed as quickly as cretely related to the problems of re possible. As such, no need was felt gional/urban-rural disparities; and to issue any special instructions by the Ministry in this particular case. (c) whether Government propose to lay on the Tab'e of the House the . Confiscation of Gold figures of per capita income State-wise and District-wise? 1071. Shri Kishen Pattnayak: Shri Madha Limaye: The Minister of Planninf and Social Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehto): Will the Minister of Finance (a) and (c). A statement indicating pleased to refer to the reply given 1966 (A i) L.S.—3. 2399 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1968 Written Annoert a^dD Unstarred Question No. 2045 on the Dnmpinr « f FiUk 11th August, 1966 and state: 107S. Shri NambUr: (a) the number of cases in which Shri Umanath: the gold seized has been confiscated under the Gold Control Rules; W ill the Minister of Health mai Family Planning be pleased to state: (b ) the number of cases in which personal penalties have been im (a) whether it is a fact that t ^ posed; Masses Uplift Association, Delhi b u strongly objected to the dumpinf of (c) the total amount of penalties filth near residential houses in IzMler- and gold confiscated; and puri Colony in 1966; (b) if so, whether representation te (d ) the names of those against the Delhi Municipal Corporation im. whom prosecution has been launched/ this regard has not been attended H completed? by the authorities; and The Minister of Finance (Shri (c) the action taken by Govern Sachindra Chandhori): (a) to (d). ment to avert the threat of an out The information is being collected break of epidemic in the Capital as a and w ill be laid on the Table of the result thereof? House. The Minister of Health and Family Planning (Dr. Sashila Nayar): ia) Imported Cars for Ministers The Delhi Municipal Corporation hare stated that they had received a com 1072. Shri Kishen Pattnayak; plaint against the accumulation « f Shri Madha Limaye: garbage near the residential houses. W ill the Minister of Finance be (b ) The complaint was immediate pleased to refer to the reply given to ly attended to and the garbage is Starred Question No. 1349 on the 4th regularly being removed from the August, 1966 and state: dust bin site. (a) the details about the makes and (c) There is no danger of an out purchase-price of imported cars for the break of epidemic on this accoimt. use of Ministers; (b) the names of Ministers who have discontinued using imported cars; 1074. «ft WT wrm? : and mVcT : (c) whether Officers attached to ^o HTo f i n t : household establishment of these Mini gwW : sters, are using cars of foreign makes? 170 ^ o : The Minister of Finance (Shri 5To : Sachindra diaudhuri): (a) and (b). The information is being collected cTTH : from the Ministries/Departments con cerned and will be laid on the Table as soon as available. (c) As Government officers are not (^ ) attached to the household establish ment of Ministers, the question does not arise. • 2401 Written Answers KARTIKA 19 , i688 (S A K A ) Written Answers 2402 ( ^ ) zrf? 5TR and responsibilitie* of G.D.Os. Grad* II selected by the U.P.S.C. and those 5t V ^ ?ft- t ; ^fV?: appointed on an ad ho: basis; and (»t) eft w qfwq (c) if 90, the details and difference thereof? I ? The Aflnistcr of Health and Family («ft 5TW>I : Planning (Dr. SnshlU Nayar): (a) (*P) ^ r, I For direct recruitment to GJ>.0& Grade I, besides the M.B.B.S. or (^ l) ^ I equivalent degree, a candidate is re quired to possess 5 years’ experience (»t) 7TT I I after registration as a Medical Gra duate, while for direct recruitmen* Selection Committee for Ceatral to G.D.O. Grade II (Graduate Officers) Medical Officers the candidate is required to posseai 1075. Shri Brij Raj Sinffh: the M.B.B.S. or equivalent degree Shri Tasbpal Sinfh: and is required to have completed the rotating internship, G.D.O., WiU the Minister of Health and Grade I, are Class I Officers and it ia, Family Plamiing be pleased to state: therefore, considered necessary to insist on a minimum experience of 6 (a) whether GovernTrent havt set years after registration as a Medical up a Selection Committee to review Graduate for becoming eligible for and re-assess the records of Central appointment to that category. Medical Officers for allotment to the revised grade of the Central Health (b ) and (c). There is no appreci Service; and able diflference in day to day duties, opportunities of getting experience, (b) if so, when the Committee ifl and in responsibilities of officers ap likely to finalise its deliberations? pointed to G.D.O., Grade II through the U.P.S.C. and tho.se appointed on The Minister of Health and Family ad hoe basis. Planning (Dr. Snshila Nayar): (a) and (b). In accordance with the pro visions of rules 7 and 7A of the Cen tral Health Service Rules, 1963, Selec mnf iv w f tion Committees have been consti tuted to determine the suitability of 1077. gvi? veprm : medical officers for appointment to Wo ?TTo : the revised grades of the Central Health Service. It is hoped that the Commit-tees will finish their work within a month or so. ?RT 2 5 W m , 1966 % 3333 % % Recmltmcnt of GJ>.Os. 1076. Shri Brli Raj Siniph; W ill the Minister of Health and Family Flan- (ap) ^ nln; be please dto state: (a) the qualifications and experi ence required for appointment to the qjjf? ^ pm posts of G.D.Os. Grade II and Grade •1 and reasons for differences, if any; ^FTf^ ijTfT ^TFcifiT^ % 5r>n (b) whether there is any difference In duties, opportunities of experience ^403 W ritten Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers :< o (c) if not, when it is proposed to be done? <5rf^ ^ The Minister of Works, Hoosinf and Urban Development (Shri M e ^ 5^ f*T^ ;I Chand ^ a n n a ): (a) Yes. ( ^ ) 27f^ eft »RT »rr^ ir (b) and (c). A Wage Board for t^e Hotel Industry in Delhi has been set ^r ^ 'Rjff ^ 5RT?: errqvT ^ fe jft up by the Delhi Administration. The ^JTTTftr ^ ?TT3f ^ f^iTT ; service conditions of thg employees of the Ashoka; Hotel will be reviewed (»t ) ^ ?»T ^n^'ei in the light of the recommendations ^ ^)f ^ qf ^?r ^ t ; of the Wage Board and the decision of the Delhi Administration thereon. ( ? ) ^ «T>TT 5T?TT ^ ; ifk I.N.A. Market, New Delhi (V) ^ ?ft ^TT 1079. Shri Yashpal Singh. W ill the Minister of Works, Housing and ^r ^SfT^ 'TS’i^T^T ^T7% ^ ^rtf Urban Development be pleased to State: (a) whether it is a fact that the f ^ irrt («ft 5nft?j ) : new I.N.A. Market near Kidwai {^) ws( ^ ^ ^ ^ Nagar has not so far been given elec q?!T ^ m m I ffT ?Tt^lf ^ ^ tric connection; and ^ T ^nrr ^ i (b) if so, the reasons therefor? ( ^ ) ^T^lr ^5"fT I The Minister of Works, Housing and Urhan Development (Shri Mehr (^) ^ Tft t I Chand Khanna): (a) and (b). A ll the 224 shops in the market have been (^ ) 'tt ^ a^llotted to the Super Bazar. Of these, TT ^+dT 1^ I 120 shops, which were allotted initi ally, have been provided with tepr>- (^ ) 'liJff % ^ m rr. fHHU«T ^ porary electric connections. Parraa- nent electric connections have np^ vnhrr^ ^ ^ m xhff ^ been provided as the Delhi Electrifr tSTR ^ W T arTiRT I Supply Undertaking has changed t ^ basis of payment (J^manded and Gpy- Service conditions In Ashoka Hotel ernment have not been able to agrpe Ltd^ New Delhi to this. The rcvnaining 104 shop3 1078. Shri Kajrolkar; W ill the have been allotted to the Supjcj: Minister of Works, Hoaslni^ and Bazar on the condition that t h ^ Urban Development be pleased to would obtain electric connections state: direct frorm the Undertaking. (a) whether any service conditions Manufacture ^ Briquettes have been introduced in the Ashoka 1080. Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: Hotel Ltd., New Delhi; Will the Mini.ster of Planning and Social Welfare be pleased to state: (b ) whether they have ever been reviewed after their introduction to (a) whether Government propose see whether they are comparable with to instal a factory for manufac^urinf other similar institutions ifi India; briquettes from saw dust and bamboo tod dust in Chemvannur near Calcutta; 2405 'Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 iS A K A ) W ritten Answers 2406 (b) if so, when; and in terms of Pound Sterling was lUt. 29.85 oii I»th October tfOe. The (c) the total expenditure thereof? unofficial rates of exchange in markets inside the country are not available. The Minister otf Social Welfare (^hri Asokji Mehta): (h j Tfie iltitofflfciil firite 6f eiccha'nge (a) t6 The P^irining Commission for th'^ tu^»6e ift term’s of the U.S. is not aware of any place knoWh iii dollar has varied between Rs. 9 75 to Chemvannur near Calcutta located in R5. 10-15 in the t^'rlc f^iarkM, the Rural Industries Projects spon- and the unofficial rate of exchange sdred by the Planning Commission. for tile rupee in ief^ns 6f Pound However, th'^re is a plrice known as Sterling in the London market has Cheruvannur near Calicut (Kozhi- varied beWt^n Rs. 291-28 to Jls. 31-85 k>de) in K^rahr and that is located since devfflufttion. ir the Rural Industries Project of Kozhikode. d rc n U f in Caleotto A model scheme for the manu- 1082. Siurl P. A. ciukraverU: fiicture of fuel briquetting from saw IS h H. 6 . ttng^ Reddy: d»li*t and bamb(k) dust has been pre- ShH D. C. Shamui: pai^d by th^ Rural Indtuttri^s Plan- WUl the. Minister of PUniUiig and nlWlr Committee and supplied to the S o ^ W eM re be itlea^d tii sufe: Prbj^ct Officer, Rural Industries Por- j«ct, Kozhikode. The Project Officer (a) the progress achieved so l i r is W k irig «ffforts to get a suitable startini; with the cpnstruction of the party interested in this industrial circular Railway in Calcutta; air^iVity. It is not possibtfe at this to indicate aS to whra the unit (b) whether Government have would come up there and w h it Would examined the possibility ^ In li ultimately be th« investment. for subways, as in other big citlea ia the world; and £z6fiaiige va*/4e i f (c) the financial involveroenti thereof? I0 8 i ^hri ktmUCr Cltiddhi^tf; Witt I^inister of Fhiauice be The MlnMer ut Flumlnc ud 8 4 ^ pleased to state: Welfare (Shri Aioka (») (a) the present uiifoiA^cial rates of and (b). DeMUi th< l u exchange for the Rupee vis-a-vis minary engln^rin* fea«lbWty , rtu ^ dollar and pound sterling in principal are being finalised in cohaultatioh markets outside the country and in with the Calcutta MetropoUtan Plan side the country; and ning Organisation and the Railways. (b) whether Govern*ment propose (c) Does not arise. to lay a statevnent showing moAth- by-month fluctuations in the unoffi Indian Bmfbaaay in Washington cial rates of exchange for the Rvpee in terms of Dollar and Pound Ster 1083. Sarendra Pal Sin^: Will ling since Ju'ne, ld66 aher tflW deva the Minister of Finance be pleased luation of the rupee; on the Table? to state: The Minister of Finance (Shri (a) whether the contract entered Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) The un into on the 9th August, 1966 by the official rale of exchange for the rupee Indian Embassy in Washington with a in terms of the U.S. dollar in the firm of public relations consultants by New York market was Rs. 10 at the the name of ‘Public Relations Atteches end of September 1966, and the un International’ has been renewed for official rate of exchange for the rupee the current financial year; and S407 Written Aruwers KOVEMBER 10, IMS WHtten Amwers 240* (b ) if so, whether any changes hare % f^Ttr % 7?fhT been made in the old contract or it ^ been renewed on the existng terms « T + T d i f #r fsfcr and conditions? ^T^TT T»TT‘ f«nFT?! I^RT^T The M in i^ r of Finance (Shrl ^ ^ I Sachindra Chaudhnri): (a) No Sir; Ihe matter is still under consideration. (»T) ^T^^ (Ii^ Does not arise. Irrigation and Power Schemes 1085. Shrl H. C. Linga Reddy: 1084. ^ o HTo : Shri P. R. Chakraverti: So fio WW : Shrimati Savitrl Nigam: Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: g iW i m : FT V n fR : W ill the Minister of Irrigation and : Power be pleased to state: I T o ITO ^ 0 : (a) the number and names ot schemes of irrigation and power costing fTT fHHW HTvnr jnrr more than Rupees Fifty Crores which were included in the Third Five Year fWVT^ ^ : Plan and are proposed to be included in the Fourth Five Year Plan; and TSfhft f^=nTW-VPf ^ % (b) how many of them included la ^ JT?nr Haft ^ ; the Third Five Year Plan have been completed? ‘ ( ^ ) ^ ir r if The Minister of Irrigation and f*iT I ; ?fh: Power (Shri Fakhmddin Ahmed): (a) The following schemes, costing ( » r ) Irrigation Projects included, in the Third Plan. («ft ^ ^ ^ t) : ^ ^ I 1: Tungabhadra Project (Left and Right Banks) (^ ) iTtJ ^'T T t - - 2. Nagarjunasagar ( i ) 3. Gandak s F ^ i w T n % T ^ T?: 4. Kosi ^ V ’T<«H«I ?FT?TT 5. Ukai ^ $■ ^ ^FT qr ^r^'f 6. Chambal-Stage I & II. 7. Upper Krishna— Stage I. n !T T ^ % f^TlT 8. Beas-Units I & II % ^T35ff ^ ?T 1^1 I 9. Bhakra ( i i ) JRT ?rfW n: 10. Rajasthan Canal 11. Ramganga 9r r ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ t 12. D.V.C. Projects. 13. Parambikulam Aliyar 2409 Written Anstrers KARTIKA 19, 1688 (S A K A ) WHtten Answers 24x0 Povotr Projects inclxided in the Third of the State Government Secretarial Plan. recently in this regard; ' 1. Pathratu Thermal Project (c) whether Government have cooai. 2. Idikki Hydro-Electric Project dered their demands; and 3. Balimela Hydro-Electric Pro (d) if so, the decision of Goven- ject ment in the matter? 4. Yamuna Hydro-Electric Por- The Minister of Finance (8kri ject, Stage H Sachindra CliamUiari): (a) and ( ^ . 5. Tarapore Atomic Power SU- Yes, Sir. tion (c) and (d). The matter is «ndar 6. Ranapratapsagar Atomic Power consideration of the Government of Station, Stage I Kerala. 7. Bhakra-Nangal (Bhakra Left Bank Power Station and Smuggling of Cigarettes into Nepd Nangal Power Stations). 1087. Shri P. Knnhan: New Irrigation Projects proposed Shri Imbicliibava: to be included in the Fourth Plan. Shri M. N. Swamy: Will the Minister of Finaneo be N®t yet flnaliied. pleased to state: New Power Projects proposed to be included in the Fourth Plan. (a) whether the Government Nepal have banned the import o£ 1. Pathratu Thermal Power Sta Indian Cigarettes into the kingdom tion Extn. unless they carry the super icriptioB X Nagpur Thermal Project. “Export for Nepal”; 8. Santaldih Thermal Project. (b) if so, whether this measure was 4. Kalpakkam Atomic Power taken to stop smuggling of cigarettes Station. from India into Nepal; and (b) Out of the irrigation projects (c) the steps taken by the Central costing more than Rs, 50 crores and Government to stop this smuggling? included in the Third Plan, the The Minister of Finance (Shri Bhakra Project has been practically Saehtndra Chandhnri): (a) It is un completed. As regards power pro derstood that His Majesty’s Gbvern- jects, the Bhakra-Nangal (Bhakra ment of Nepal have recently directed Left Bank Power Station and Nangal the Nepalese Customs authorities not Power Stations) has been completed. to allow the import of cigarettes Into Pay Scales for Kerala Panchayat Nepal from India and Pakistan unless Association Employees certain conditions including the mark ing of packets with the superscription i m . Shri P. Knnhan: “Export for Nepal” are complied wKh. Shri fmbichibava: (b) The Government are not so far Shri M, N. Swamy: aware of the reasons for which this measure has been taken by Hij Will the Minister of Finance be Majesty’s Government of Nepal. pleased to state; (c) The Indo-Nepal Treaty, 1960, (a) whether the Kerala Panchayat envisages free movement of goods Employee’s Association has demanded originating in either country to the pay scales on par with those of the other and the Government of India Government employees; have not imposed any restrictions on (b ) whether the Employees Asso- the export of Indian cigarettes to ciAtiCQ lavnched hunger etrike in front NepaL Therefore, the question at 2411 'Written Answers NOVSMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2412 smuggling of cigarettes from In The Depatr Minister in the De (c) The Project is scheduled to be partment of Social Welfare (Shrlmati completed substantially by 1970*71, Chandraaekhar): (a) and (b). The and every effort is being made to Commission was appointed by the stick to this schedule. Madhya Pradesh Government and will subnxit its report to the Qoveth- (d) Foreign exchange required for ment. The Report has not yet been the proj^t is b^ing made available as and when necessary. (c) Does not arise, fipRft Farakka Barrage Project i 6 § 2. itT WHTf : 1091. Shri P. C. Borooah: iiito He ^ : ShH Bharwat Jba Aiad: Shri S. C. Samanta: Wo frippv : Shri fitnboA ilihsda: : Shri M. L. Bfwivedi: Dr. M. M. Das: l f « #0 ^ : WIH the MifiJat^r of IMtatKm ind P6f#er bfr <)16a«ed to state: *RT Ilf (a) the progress made so far in the ^ fT'TT : implementation o^ the Farakka 6ar- TBge Project; ( ^ ) ^ HnfTur (b) the expenditure involved in its execution so far; zrrf<#r?ii V vtw t t 3r%v*(r (c) how fat it is behind the original VT fqp:^ % ; schedule ihd when it ^ill be com pleted; dhd (€ } i)i/hether thfc foreign exchange required is available as and when (»r) f^FTV fanpft necessary, and if not, the reasons ^ •FH’ ifhiPTtlft ^ thrt^or? ^ VTTTT qnTq-5^"^ ? Xin^ Minister of Irrigation and (6hri Fakhmddln A hm td): wVt fiwT iWt («it (k) Work on the Project has befen : ( ^ ) (isr). 15#»IT- taken up from both h^nks o^ the river and is in progress in the river ^ % portion per schedule drawn up from ^ time to time, including the Head Re ^ it ^ 5rr T^'r % gulator and the under sluice and ^h er bay*. Excavatidh work in the ?r ^ T>9Pft ^ im % f?nr Feeder Canal is going on, and the other acillary works which are on ^ Tfr TTf^ 1 ?rV smtnT hand include the ^fuide and Afflux bundh of the Farakka Barrage and fannfV qr ^ ^ the left afflux bundh of Jangipur Bar ?7T ir f5 f> r ^ fgRTT rage, Fabrication of gates for the Head Rcgulatoi for the main Farakka fe iT ^ ^ I Barrage is 'ilso in progress. (»t ) "^V' ^ mq (b) The expenditure incurred to end of September 1966 is Rs. 34>76 crores. ^rcRTT1 W ritten AtiMwert NOVEMBER 10, 1966 W ritten Answers 2416 Dronffht Effect on Major IrrisratlM Projects 1093 . ^ Rr irnsTR ; 1094. Shri B. K. Das: «ft ^o ?TTo : Shri P. R. Chakrarertl: vh : Will the Minister of Irrigation ami Power be pleased to state: vi\ sio m vn : Ho HT*RT : (a) how far the major irrigation projects were affected due to the j^o q to «tTH : wide-spread drought in the counttT' during the last year; fiT*rf'»r, jgnrm ?T*n ftfvra (b) whether the cosequential short « ( ^ ) ^ WT The Minister of IrrigaUon kbA Power (Shri Fakhraddin Ahmed): ?ftr (a) to (c). The information is heiag collected and will be laid on 1m (^t ) ^ ?mr wr ^ Table of the House. «sT^T5fr^ ^T^m r! % Burma's Share of Sterling WPT ^^-ti t ? 1095. Dr. M. M. Das: fr*T?^T, STTVTH ^niT *nT^t*T Shri Bhagwat Jha Axad: iTft (Mt 5^^ TO fW7) : (^) irk Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Shri S. C. Samanta: (^ t). f^W r ir « n r ^ ^ Shri Sabodh Hansda: H fsrJrrfir^ M r ^ ^trtt | : W ill the Minister of Finance be ^ fT IfirT Jr t pleased to state: jr ^'r tr: qsrr, (a) whether it is a fact that Burma’s «nnTT ?nf^ if ? 1 irf? irt share of sterling pensions, which if eft .^jfr % it i t ^ paid from the Sterling Annuities pur chased by India from the U. K. Gor- I I ^cTt ^ ^cr W ^ ernment could not be recovered fr o a I , ?T^ I I Burma during 1965-66; and (b) if so, the amount unrecovered fTOT^fr ^ ^TrfV 1 1 and the reasons why the amount could not be recovered from Burma? ^ ITTT ^ % ipT?nT 1096 . «ft IT0 WTO flTft : fp3T9^ ^7T %^^ 196/-68 W TT^ ^ fTTT % f^'T ^rsr-rr 3 0 f^i^rc^r, V^jTffr : 1966 ^ 5 I ( ^ ) ^ r ^J^( f{i^rj\ !jf^- fq?5f Wic H fcT^^'T'f 'irr 3rr-^ . 1097. «T>»fo h To f j t f t : « r f ^ ^ 'IT 7,z ^ ?iTfTfr sTo ?io T O n : JTf^fT ?TIT q r «ft HI HTUT? : Ht ?rrn k ; m r «?t Ho ^ o ^n^TcT : ('7 ) JTPt ^ ^ ^(VfT^ IfTo ^o qto ^ : wr4'f?Tr?:ff, Hf^'TT H^jpff ^'r «fr ^TRT : fcrirsT cWT HW1«T f^TTf r 19 65 -66 % IT5 ^rr 1:^1 ^nr Hp : cT^r 1966-67 % 5T> Jf^Pflr % ( ^ ) *RTT t TRJT 5T^ f w f 5Ytt?t in^mf r?: ^ iffsr 1 5fftT ^ ® r # if^ir^TT f2T^> Ijffr TTfH WT ^4J9 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10,"1M6 Written Answers 2430 «rt?TT r^ iTTJi frm tion on the recommincfitions made by Mitra Cdzmmttee on Dowlaighwaram ^ Anicut which were accepted by Gov («fr 5T^>I nW t) : ernment And forwarded to them; ( ^ ) ^r, I (b) if so, the details thereof; and ( < ) f ?T I (c) if hot, the reasons therefor? Fourth Plan The Minister of Irrigation and tow. Dr. L. M. SiilfbTl: Will the P6# e f (Shri Fakiu^ddljt A&ined): Minister of Planning and Social Wel- (a) and (b). Plans and estimates for faro be pleased to state; the Godavari Barrage are under pre (a) wl^ther it is a fact that the paration by t e Siat^ Government. Heserve Bank of India has poihte (d) if so, the details thereto? ll^ i. Siiri Via&wa Piiiid^: Will the Minister of Betltli a ^ ihjt M ilkier oi Plannliit and Social Family Planning be ^^eased to j^ e r Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): (a) and to reply givisin to tTristriir^ lb). Yes, Sir. tion No. 2015 on the Ilth August, 1966 regarding Trivandrum Ayurvedic (c) and (d). These observations, Centre and state: like other corinents on the Draft Out line of the Fourth l4ve Ye«r PWn, (a) whether the proposal to upgrade will be taken into account in finalis the Ayurvedic C^ntw itas since been ing the Plan. considered in consuittftion with the State Government; and Mitra Gommittee^s Report on Dowlaishwaram Anicut (b) if so, the decision taken in the 1100. Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: matter? Will the li^nister of Irrigation and Power be pleased to refer to the The Minister of Health and Family reply given to Unstarred Question Planning (Dr. Snshila Nayar): (a) No. 2016 on the 11th August, 1966 Yes. and state; (a) whether the Andhra f*radesh (b) The matter is still under consi Government have since taken any ac deration. 2421 Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1688 (S A K A ) Written Answers 2422 Seiiure of Foreign Exchanffe report along with its recommendations to the National Development CoupcU; 119s. Shri Visb^a Nath Pan4ey: ^ p. G, Reddj: (b) if so, the main recommendatiofii thereof; and W ill the Minister of Ftnance be pleased to state: (c) the action taken to imple?nent those recommendations? (a) whether it is a fact that foreign exchange worth Rs. 12,000 was seized The Minister of Planning and Social on the 19th September, 1966 by offi Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): (a) Yes. cials of the Elnforcemen't Directorate (b) Copies of the report of the from a shop on Mint Road in Bombay, Land Reforms Implementation Com as it was auspeqted to have J>een ille mittee have been placed in the Parlia gally purchased; and ment Library. The report is under (b) if so, the acUon Government print. Its copies will be circulated have taken in the matter? among the Members of Parliament shortly. The Minister of Finance (Shrl Sachindra Chandhuri): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) The recommendations of the On recepit of reliable information Committee have generally been incor that foreign exchange was being il porated in the chapter on land re legally bought, officers of the Enforce forms in the Draft Outline of the ment Directorate searched the pre Fourth Five Year Plan and have mises of a shop on Mint Road in been brought to the notice of the Bombay on the 19th September 1966 State Governments. and seized foreign exchange worth about Rs. 10,000 and Indian currency Indus Commission amounting to Rs. 3,600. (b) I^ecessary proceedings under 1104. Shri D. C. Sharma: the Foreign Exchange Regulation Act Shri V|shwa Nath Pandey: arp being taken against the persons Shri H. C. Linga Eeddy: concerned. Shri Indrajit QupU: Shri Hem Raj: Land Reform Measures Will the Minister of Irrigation and 1103. Stai H. C. Linga Reddy: Power be pleased to state; Shrimati Savitri Nigam: Shri P. R. Chakraverti: (a) whether a mpoting of the Indus Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: Commission waf^ held in New Delhi to Shri S. C. Samanta: discuss the implementation of the Shrl Suhodh Hansda: Indus Water Treaty in September, Shri M. L. Dwivedi: 1966; and Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: (b) if so, the outcome thereof? Shri P. C. Borooah: Dr. M. M. Das: The Minister of Irrigation and Shri A. K. Gopalan: Power (Shri Fakhmddin Ahraed): Shri Imhichibava: (a) and (b). Yes. The 21st meeting Shri Dasaratha Deb: of the Permanent Indus Comission Shri KoUa Venkaiah: was held at New I)elhi from 28th Shri Vasndevan Nair: September to 4th October, 1966. ^ Shri Warior: this meeting the Commission disci|«- Shri Indrajit Gnpta: se Balds to Unearth Unaccoanted Money The Minister of Health and Family Planning (Dr. Snshila Nayar): (a> to 1105. Shrimatl Savltrl Nifam: Will (c). An oral pill has been developed the Minister of Finance be peased to by the Central Drugs Research In refer to the reply given to Starred stitute, and extensive trials are being Questiofn No. 781 on the 1st Septem made on animals for its anti-fertlMty ber 1966 and state: effect. PharmacoloRical and labora (a) whether it is a fact that even tory exx>eriments are still going on. seven or eight years old cases are pend Clinical trial on human beings kas ing for final settlement either in the not yet been started. Courts or in the Income Tax offices after the raids were made by the In New In » for Sick come Tax Investigating Agencies; 1107. Shrimati Savltrl NIgam: Will (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and the Minister of Finance be pleased state: (c) the action taken to expedite them? (a) whether the Life Insurance Cor poration has started a new insiurante The Minister of Finance (Shrl scheme for the sick; and IhiChlndra Chandhuri): (a) and (b). There is only one such case in re (b) if so, the details thereof? gard to a raid which took place in 1956. Investigation of this case was The Minister of Finance (Shii stayed by a Court order until 1964. Sachindra Chandhnri): (a) and (b). Investigations are now proceeding From the very inception the L.I.C. and are expected to be completed has been granting insurance cover on shortly. payment of suitable extra premiums, to sub-standard lives. Under this (c) Instructions have already been scheme, persons who had suffered, hut issued to the effect that officers should have since recovered, from diseases complete the assessments in cases of like tuberculosis, cancers, leprocy tht searches as expeditiously as possible. give insurancie cover after suitable wait ing period. Persons with certain heart Oral Contraceptive for Family impairments and stabilised diabeties Planning are also offered insurance cover, pro 1106. Shrimati Savitri Nrgam: vided other circumstances are satis Shrl H. C. L'ni^a Reddy: factory. Shrl Subodh Hansda: Shrl S. C. Samanta: Photo-Litho Press Shrl P. C. Borooah: Shrl M. L. Dwivedi: 1108. Shri A. V. Raffhavan; Shri Bhafirwat Jha Azad: Shri A. K. Gopalan: Dr. M. M. Das: Will the Minister of Worlcs, Honsinc and Urban Development be pleased to Will the Minister of Hea'th and state: Family Planning be pleased to state: (a) whether it is proposed to set up (a) whether it is a fact that a pill two photo-litho presses; and has been found in the Central Drugs Research Institute. Lucknow which is (b) if so, where the same will be a very effective oral contraceptive for located? Family Planning; The Minister of Works, Honsing (b) whether anytrial tests have and Urban Development (Shri Mehr been made; and Chand Khanna): (a) and (b). It is proposed to set up a few new presses final decision has been taken in the (c) the progress maae to put a matter. complete end to the landlord—tenant nexus and convert the tenants into Arrears of Sales Tax and Affricnl- full owners? tnral Income Tax in Kerala The Minister of Planning and Sodal 1109. Shri A. V. RaihaTan: Welfare (Shrt Asoka Mehta): (a) HhTi A. K. Gopalan: and (b). With a view to preventinf W ili the Minister of Finane* be evictions and surrenders, amendments pteased to refer to the reply given to to the Kerala Land Reforms Act hart Unfitarred Question No. 1239 on the been incorporated in the Kerala P re 4th August, I960 and state: vention of Eviction Bill which is b«- ing enacted as President's Act. Fur (a) the arrears of Sales Tax and ther proposals of the amendments ol Agricultural I-ncome Tax collected in the Kerala Land Reforms Act are un Kerala as a result of the intensiTt der consideration. drive to collect 50 per cent of the eoDectable arrears by August, 19M; (c) The provisions entitling tenants (b) whether the matter ha^ since to purchase ownership rights on pay been reviewed by the Government of ment of compensation have been en Kerala; and forced. 1703 applications from tenants for voluntary purchase of ownership (c) the amounts written off during had been made up to end of August, this period? 1966. Tlie Minister of Finance (Shrt Sachlndra Chandhnrl): (a) Rs. PabUc Control on Urban Lands and 57,20,853.52 under Sales Tax and Properties Rs. 21.13,805.56 under Agricultural Income Tax have been collected to the end of the August 1966. 1111. Shri A. V. Eaghavan: Shri A. K. Gopalan: (b) Yes, Sir. W ill the Minister of Works, (c) Rs. 35,200.48 under Sales Tax ing and Urban Development be pleas only. ed to state: (a) whether there is any proposal Kerala Land Reforms Act to amend the Constitution to prevent private rights of sale in respect of 1110. Shrt A. V. Raghavan: urban lands and properties so as to Shrl A. K. Gopalan: bring them under public control; and W ill the Minister of Planning and (b) if so, the decision taken in th« Social Welfare be pleased to refer to matter? the reply given to Unstarred Ques tion No. 2628 on the 18th August, The Minister of Works, Honsing 1966 and state: and Urban Deveopment (Shri MehF Chand Khanna): (a) and (b). There (a) whether the Government of has been a steep rise in the values of Kerala have since finalised the urban lands in the past ten years. amendments proposed to be carried This problem has been examined in out to the Kerala Land Reforms Act, the draft Fourth Five Year Plan and 1963; certain suggestions made to resolvs (b) if so. the nature of amend it. These suggestions have, however, ments proposed to be made; and not yet been examined. 2 ^ 7 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2428 Scholarships to Physically (b) the extent to which Govern capped Stndento ment have been able so far to g if» grants to the various State Govern 1112. Sbrl A. V. Baf^vaa: ments to ameliorate the condition Shrl A. K. Gopalaa: of such people; Will tl^e Minister of Plaimliif an4 Social Welfare be pieced to state: (c) whether any latest assessment has been made as to the number and (a) whether it is a fact that In condition of these people; ind awarding scholarships to the physi cally-handicapped students those who have secured less than 50 per cent (d) if F'j, the result there of? marks in the previous examination are eliminated; ^ e Deputy Minister in the Depart ment of Social Welfare (Shrhnatl (b) if so, whether Government ar«* Chandrasekhar): (a) Most of the aware of the hardships caused to the nomadic tribes, including Banjaras, poor students who have failed to come within the category of Denoti secure the qualiflng marks; fied Tribes, Scheduled Tribes and (c) whether Government propose Scheduled Castes. Such of the noma to evolve a scheme to provide assis dic tribes therefore, as come within tance to the really poor students; the category of Denotified Tribes, and Scheduled Tribes and Schedule,d Castes enjoy all the benefits as are (d) if so, whether the cases of admissible to Denotified Tribes,. students whose applications were not Scheduled Tribes and Scheduled considered w ill be reviewed? Castes. The nomadic iribe^, however, constitute a distinct cate gory also in the Plan based on the The Deputy Minister in the Depart nature and extent of their nomadisfn. ment of Social Welfare Uniform Standard of IWedical (c) how many houses hare 10 fir Education been allotted under this scheme? 1114. Shri Shree Narayan Das: Will The Minister of Works, Housint the Minister of Health and Family and Urban Development (Shri Mehr Plannini^ be pleased to state: Chand Khanna): (a) to (c). Govern ment have decided that one third of (a) whether any steps have been the staff members of political parties taken so far for having a iiniform in Parliament which have been re standard of medical education cognised by the Speaker will be co-n- throughout the country; sidered for allotment of accommoda (b) whether it is a fact that various tion from the general pool. This has medical colleges and institutions been done on representations to Gov follow different standards of quali ernment on the ground of housing fications for admission and courses: shortage. So far five houses have been allotted under this Scheme. (c) if so, whether efforts to stop such practices have been made; and Rehabilitatiom of Goldsmttha (d) if so, with what result? 1116. Shri Subodh Hansda: The Minister of Health and Family Shri S. C. Samanta: Planning: (Dr. SushUa Nayar): (a) Shri P. C. Borooah: Yes. Under the provisions of Indian Shri Bhaifwat Jha Axad: Medical Council Act, 1956 (as amend Shri M. L. Dwlredi: ed), the Medical Council of India is Dr. M. M. Das: statutorily charged with the prescrib Will the Minister of F^inanee be ing and maintenance of standards of pleased to state: medical education in the country. (a) the total amount advanced as (b) The standard of medical edu loan for the rehabilitation of the cation laid down by the Medical Goldsmiths till the modification of Council of India is required to be the Gold Control Order; followed by all institutions, failing which the Council is empowered to (b) whether the rehabilitated gold recommend to the Central Govern smiths are still continuing their new ment that the qualification granted profession after the modification of to the students of the institution con the Gold Control Order; and cerned shall not be a recognised medical qualification. (c) how many of them have chang ed over to their old profession of (c) and (d). Do not arise. Goldsmithy? The Minister of Finance (Shri Bonsin|[ Facilities for staff of Political Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) A sum of Parties in Parliament Rs. 10.84. crores has been advanced Ills. Shri Yashpal Sin«h: by the Central Government to vari Shri Hnkam Chand ous State/Union Territory Govern Kachhavaiya: ments a.s loans for rehabilitation of goldsmiths till the modification o( Will the Minister of Works, Hous Gold Control Order. ing: Urban Development be pleased to state: (b) and (c). Since the Defence of India (Fourth Amendment) Rules, (a) whether it has been dccided to 19H6 implementing the modification.s provide hou.sing facilities to the staff of the Gold Control Order was noti who have availed of the rehabilita (c) whether it is also a fact that tion assistance are still continuing in the work on the Iddikki project is their new profession or whether any not progressing according to schedule; of them have changed over to the and old profession of goldsmiths. (d) if so. the reasons therefor? SUtus of Chairman, Central Social Welfare Board The Minister of Irrigation and Power (Shri Fakhruddin Alimed): 1117. Shri Subodh Hansda: (a) and (b). The Loan Agreement for Shri S. C. SamanU: the project is being re-drafted by Shri P. C. Borooah: External Aid Office, Canada on the Shri Bhagwat Jha Aiad: basis of fity year maturity, including Shri M. L. Dwlvedi: a ten year grace period, and with no Dr. M. M. Das: interest, service charge or commit ment charge. This re-drafting is one Will the Minister of PlannlJM: an* of the reasons for delay in the sign Social Welfare be pleased to state; ing of the Agreement. The other rea- (a) whether it is a fact that the .sons for delay related to the question Central Social Welfare Board wiH of procurement procedure to be fol have a full time paid Chairman in lowed. This has now been resolved stead of Honorary Chairman and satisfactorily. The draft procurement Directors; procedure has now been referred to the Kerala State Electricity Board (b) if so, the reasons lor this for their views. change; and (c) Arrangement of work are going (c) the status of the Chairman and on according to schedule. reasons for change in the status, if any, as compared to the status of the (d) Does not arise. iormer Chairman? Regional Public Health Laboratories^ The Minister of Planning; and Social Kerala Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): (a) No, Sir. The Central Social Welfare Board has already got a full-time paid ltl9. Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: Chairman. It has. however, no direc Shri Bagri: Shri Yashpal Singh tors. (b) Does not arise. Will the Minister of Health and Family Planning be pleased to refer (c) The question of future status to the reply given to Unstarred Ques ef the Chairman is under considera tion No. 4042 on the 1st September, tion along with the question of the 1966 regarding Regional Public Health future status of the Board itself. Laboratories in Kerala and state: IddlkkI Scheme (a) whether the proposals fer addi 1118. Shri Vasudevan Nair: tional staff, location of site, plans and Shri Warior: estimates have since been considered by Government; and W ill the Minister of Irrlfation and Power be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof? (a) whether iJ is a fact that the The Minister of Health and Family agreement for financial assistance Planning (Dr. Snshlla Nayar): (a) from Canada for the Iddikki scheme and (b). The proposals are still under in Kerala has not yet been finalised; consideration of the Goverjiment of (b) if so, the reasons for the delay; Kerala. 2433 Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1688 (S A K A ) WHtten Answers 2434 Salal Hydro-Electric Project this Project in the Fourth Plan has been recommended. 1120 Shri Ram Sewak Yadar: Shri Yashpal Singh: Legislation on Pubii' Health Shri Bairri: Will the Minister of Irrigation and 1122. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Power be pleased to refer to the Shri Surendranath Dwlvedy; Shri Hem Barua: reply given to Unstarred Question r^o. 3974 On the 1st September, 1966 Will the Minister of Health and and sta-te: Family Planning be pleased to refer (a) whether investigations into to the reply given to Unstarred Ques Salal hydro-electric Project have since tion No. 2682 On the 18th August, 1#G0 been completed; ■:nd state: (b) whether the project report has (a) whether other State Legislatures been finalised; and have also passed resolutions authori sing Parliament to undertake legisla (c) if not, when it is likely to be tion on Public Health; completed? (b) whether a Bill is being drafted; The Minister of Irrigation and r.na Power (Shri Fakhmddin Ahmed): (a) to (c). The investigations of the (c) if so, what stage it has reached? Salal Hydro-Electric Proioct, which are being carried out by the Govern The Minister of Health and Family ment of Jammu and Kashmir, Jiave Planning (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) not so far been completed. A Pro No. ject Report will be finalised after (b) and Cc). The draft bii: is being these investigations are completed. revised. Pochampad Project in Andhra SUtue of Netaji Pradesh H21. Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: 1123. Shri S. M. Banerjee: W ill the Shri Yashpal Singh: Minister of Works, Housing and Shri Bagri: Urban Developmeot be pleased to Shri Kolia Venkaiah: state: Will the Minisster of Irrigation and (a) whether it is a fact that statue Power be pleased to refer to the reply of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose is to given to Unstarred Question No. 3978 be erected in Delhi; •n the 1st September, 1966 and state: rb) if .so, where and when; and (a) whether the proposal for the (c) if not. the loasons tlie:eof? cJlocation of additional funds for the Pochampad Project in Andhra Pra The Minister of ^Vorks, Housing desh has since been considered by and Urban Development (Shri Mehr Government; and Chand Khanna): (a) to (c). The (h) if go, the details thereof? Committee on Installation of Statues in Delhi has recommended a site out The Minister of Irrigation and side the Red Fort for the installation Power (Shrf Fakhmddin Ahmed): of a statue of Netaji Subhas Chandra (a) and (b). On account of the Bose, but no final decision has yet tight resources position, it has not been taken by Government. After been possible to provide any addi the site has been finally chosen, the tional funds this year. However, the question of actual erection of a statue proposal of the State Government to will be one for some organisation or provide an outlay of Rs. 18 crores for individual to sponsor and pay for. ^435 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written An^^wrrr 2436 Vnaccoiuited Money (b) the reason therefor; and 1134. Shri S. M. Banerjee: (c) the names of those persons or Shri D. C. Staarma: firms whose Income-tax arrears have been written off? Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to state: The Minister of Finance (Slirl (a) whether it is a fact that there Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) The have been less raids to unearth un figures of income-tax arrears written accounted money m 1966 as com off are maintained, according to the pared to 1965; and financial year, in the income-lax re cords. The total amount of income- (b) if so, the reasons therefor? tax arrears written oflF during the financial years 1965-66 and 1966-67 The Minister of Finance (Shri (upto 31st July, 1966) was Rs. Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) The raids 36,77,823 and Rs. 9,10,152 respective^ carried out in 1966 upto end of Sep ly. •• tember are less compared to the raids in the corresponding period of last (b) The reasons for write off were year. generally the following: (1) Assessees died leaving behind (b) The decrease in the number of ■no assets. raids is mainly due to the following (2) Assessee had become insol reasons;— vent. ( ! ) As a result of a large num (3) The assessee being a Com ber of tax-payers making pany had gone into liquida voluntary disclosures of un tion. accounted income under the (4) Assessee was not traceable. schemes enacted by Parlia (5) Assessee had left India leav ment, the area of tax evasion ing behind no assets. in which raids could other wise be contemplated was (6) Assessee had no attachable considerably reduced; assets. (7) Where the demand raised (2) Certain organised rackets of was far inexcess of the assets tax evasion, like bogus hundi owned by the assessee, the loans, were tackled in 196fj demand was scaled down by carrying out raids on a to the extent it was recover large scale, and these raids able and the balance was accounted for a larj»e propor written off. tion of the raids carried out in 1965; (c) These are given in the state (3) Reliable information of tax ment laid on the Table o' the House. evasion was received in [Placed in Library. See No. LT-7296/ lesser number of cases in the 661. first nine months of 1966 as D.A. to Pensioners compared to the correspond- Jng period of 1965. 1126. Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the Income-tax arrears written off Minister of Finance be pleased to state; 1125. Shri S. M. Banerjee: W iil the (a) whether Government have Minister of Finance be pleased to taken any final decision to increase state: the quantum o f dearness allowance (a) the total amount of income- of pensioners; and Itex arrears written off durmg IW i (b) if ®o, to what extent? and upto 1st July, 1966; 2437 Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 iS A K A ) Written Answers 2438 The Minister of Finance (Shri folk .songs, dramas, kathputlis 8achhidra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). etc. Pensioners do not get dearness allow ance but ad hoc relief has been given (ii) Publicity is done also by the from time to time to those in receipt District Publicity Officers of of small pensions. At present Gov the State Governments, F iv ; ernment have no proposal under Year Plan Publicity UniLs consideration for increasing the quan and District Organisers of the tum of relief tp pensioners. National Savings Orgaiiisu- tion. Small Savings Scheme (iii) Hoardings showing the Plan 1127. Shri Maheswar Naik: WiU outlays and targets for Small the Minister of Finance be pleased Savings and inviting tho pf,.)- to state: ple to participate in tr,.- Schemes for their individ (a) the degree of popularity the and social good have bom •cheme of Small Savings, with speci erected in important commu fic reference to the rural people of nity development blocks ■mall income group, has so far headquarters. achieved; (iv ) School Teachers are appoin (b) the comparative figures for the ted as Authorised Agents for last three years; and the sale of certificates. (c) the steps being taken to en courage workers and other people of (v ) Cooperation of the Pancha- •mall incomes to take the scheme in yati Raj institutions has been right earnestness? enlisted. The Minister of Finance (Shri (v i) Formation of Bach at Grams Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). where every household has a The collection under Small Savings Post Office Savings Bank is, by and large, an index to the Account or has purchased a ' popularity of the Small Savings savings certificate ind giving Scheme. The net collections under wide publicity to the forma the Scheme during the last three tion of these ‘Grams’ and the years were approximately Rs. 128 non-official effort which r;oes crores, Rs. 130 crores and R?. 147 with it. crores respectively. It is, however, not possible to indicate the propor (v ii) Formation of Bachal Fac tion of these collections which c&me tories in industrial establish from people in rural areas and the ments through Pay Roll Sav extent of contributions made by peo ings Scheme, and ple belonging to small income groups. (viii) Inclusion of Small Savings as In the first place, statistics are not a subject in text boo s m maintained separately for rural areas schools. and secondly the investors are not re quired to and cannot also be expected Iron Sheets Seized in Delhi to disclose their income at the time of investment. n U . Shri Barri: (c) The following steps have Shri Tadipal Singh: been taken:— Shri Ram Sewak Taiar: (i) The State Governments to Will the Minister of Finance b« whom publicity grants are plaased to refer to the reply given given conduct publicity and to Unstarred Question No. 4077 on propaganda through films, the 1st September, 1M6 regarding 2439 W ritten Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2440 the iron sheets seized in Delhi and Recovery of Opium at Jaora Railway s.ate: Station (a) whether the matter has rince 1130 Shri Bagrri: been investigated by Government; Shri Tashpal Singh: and Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: Shri Hukam Chand (b) if so, the action taken by Gov KachhaTaiya: ernment against the persons coa- Shri Bade: eerned? Shri Vlshram Prasad: The Minister of Finan»^‘e (Shri Will the Minister of Finance be Sachindra Chaudhiiri): (a) and (b). pleased to refer to the reply given Investigations were made by the Delhi to Unstarrrd Question No. 4088 on Administration. The investigations re the 1st September, 1966 regarding vealed that the acquisition of the goods recovery of opium at Jaora Railway seized in these cases did not contra Station and state: vene the provisions (>f the Iron and Steel Control Order, 1906. The cases (a) whether the case has since registered against Iho dealers involved been investigated by Government; in these seizures were, therefore, and !j withdrawn. (b) if so, the action taken by Gov- Opium seised in Delhi cM'nment against the persons con 11*9. Shri Bagrl: cerned? Shri Tashpal Sin^h: The Minister of Finance (Shri Shri Ram Sewak Tadav: Sachindra Chaudhuri): fa) Yes, Sir. Shri Hukam Chand Kachhavalya: Shri Bade: (b) The accused is being proceeded Shri Onkar Lai Derwa: with in the Railway Court, Indore. W ill the Minister of Fiaance be Seizure of Watches of Chinese Origin pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that opium llS l Shri Bagri: worth Rs. 30,000 was seized by the Shri Tashpal Singh: police from a passenger at Nizamud- Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: din Railway Station, New Delhi on the 17th September, 1966; W ill the Minister of Finance be pleased to refer to the reply given (b) the number of persons arrest to Unstarnid Question No. 4000 on ed in this connection; and the 1st September, 1966 regarctng (c) the action taken against the seizure of nratches of Chinese Origin persons concerned? and state: (a) whether the matter has since The Minister of Finance (Shri been investigated by Government; Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) On 17th and September, 1966 the Railway Police '•eized 30 kilograms opium valued at (b) if so, the action taken against Rs. 3,000|- at the ex-factory official the persons concerned? price, from a passenger near Nizam- uddin Railway Station. The Minister of Finance (Shri Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) The inves (b) One. tigation is still in progress. (c) The accused was chargp-sheeted and is facing trial in the court. (b) Does not arise. -24dQ Written Ansu?ers KARTTKA iq yaqq rcAxrA^ , 2441 Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (SAKA) Written Answers 244a Raids in Bombay and Rajasthan (g )' ^ ^f^TT 1132. Shri Ram Sewak Yaday; ^ ^ ^ »T!ft t f o f ^ Shri Barri; ipn I ff: ^ xTTrf % Shri Yashpal Singh: Shri Dighe: 5R% 5, 000 ^ ?Rr fTT ^1 Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: ^ 1,000 ^ ^ W ill the Minister of Finance be '^^TFTT (b) if so, the result thereof? 113 4. VQfWm : The Minister of Finance (Shri «ft 7^!TT«T fi[T|r : Sachindra Chaudhnri): (a) The in vestigations have not yet been com ^ 1 fffcn^TT, 1966 % pleted. SRTTTrfW STFT^WU 3981 % % (b) Does not arise. TT 3Ft y ( ^ ) qfi? ^ ^?T ^ (^ j TT ^ TTftr ^ *qtcT fir?rr ^ftr.| ^ *r^fr£TcT t ; ^ ‘'PT?T^"r % ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ’Tf I : (»t ) viT ( ^ ) irf^ jfr 'rrTnrnr sqf^RHT^ i m r 53T*rf|:^ F«T ^ 5frnf- (^ ) rfr 3[t^ gfr ^ if ^ ^ »nf)' ; «rk T(i\ (sft : (^ ) llY, ^ I 23 1966 % if ;qT3T-f?fapT ^ ^ t I . Written Answpnt NOVEMBER 10. 1966 Written Answers 2AAO 2443 W ritten Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2 4 4 4 V^wf if Vr *W1 T ^TRT 53ft, ^ I 1136. «rtjfv^rir^f?gjl^^: « f t ? f l : Twrtff «fV ^ fjn n : % T n f f % ^ *ft fwRFT (T-) ?Tsrm ^ ^ ^ETsm I ^ ?fr% % ^ l^ ^ ^ 3tN ^ ft ^ ?rt ^ p ( ^ ) ^ I ; ^ q V o » ( ^ ) ^ ^ » T R ^ ^ r 1135. WPTT «n ? f^ ir?f^ («ft 5r ^ 5 5 ^ f h R t ) : ( a p ) ^ I ^ ^ ( ^ ) ^5!TR ^ ^■ 7T1TOT? % v^rnfTiyf ^ *rt*f 1F3ft(«ft 5 T ^ ^ l\ ^ ) : ( ^ ) 1137. sft 5ri : 5^7: ( ^ ) . ?3R- ^ q^T w w u ^ «ft g«F^ ^ V^l^iT : t I ^5nT5r : ( ^ ) 5|t^ MsriH ^ +(4- 5RT f^Tlrt^T, fTFn^T ?WT ^T^TTtJI i f T ^ I iftm r^, 1966^«RTTTTf^ :244Q Written Answers KARTTKA iq iprr rvAlrA^ 2445 Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (SAKA) Written Ansiccrs 2446 4011 % ^ Chand Khanna): (a) Government are not aware of the considerations on which retired persons accepted hono rary Advisership or Chairmanship of (^) ^ TRW Wftr % Committees or Commissions. (b ) General Pool Acc(jinmodation IIMH f i i + i < ^ f ; has been provided to 15 such A dvi sers. ( ^ ) ^f^ ^j, ^ ^ f?nik (c) Yes; as a matter of general fv m ^nn ^ policy. ( it) ^ ? r f ^ 5RT Slums STPPT ^ ;3TT^ ^ # «T T ^ I ? 1139. Shri P. R. Chakrawti: Shri B. K. Das: f*1nW, inVTIT »HT^hT f^WTTH Will the Minister of Work.s, Hous iprfV («TtJr^^TOl): (?r) ^ (tt). ing and Urban Development be pleased to state: TTsmrs: ^t^rfsr % ^ 'T r fW f ^ irrpT, ^ (a) whether it is a fact that in cities, with a population of over 5 9 ^ ^rr*r ^ »i =i*•«!<, lakhs, 30 per cent of the population 1966 ^5rr^g?n 5TT, ^«?r ^ q r^ n r lived in alums; f^r^nr i (b) the extent to which the pro blem of slums has been tackled; Government Accommodation Occu (c) whether certain States have pied by Retired Officers diveiHed the funds allotted for the 1138. Shri P. R. ChakravertI: purpose to other u.sos; and Shri H. C. Linga Reddy: (d) if so, the steps taken to stop the States from diverting the funds Will the Minister of Works, Hous- allocated for housing programmes to inf and Urban Development be other uses? pleased to state: The Minister of Works, Housing (a) wiiether it is a fact that retir and Urban Development (Shrf Mehr ed persons accepted honorary ad- Chand Khanna): (a) No authentic visership or Chairmanship of Com information in this regard is avail mittees or Commissions, generally able. with a view to retain the houses al ready occupied by them or securing (b) The attention of the Honour able MemVjcrs is invited to page 51 Government accommodation; of the Annual Report of the Minis (b) whether some of the honorary try of Works, Housing and Urban advisers to the Central Government Development for the year 1965-66. had been occupying general pool ac Cc) The State Governments have commodation, thereby depriving not fully utilised the allocations made Government servants of their legiti to them for Housing Schemes in the mate claims; and Third Plan. (c) whether Government have de fd) The importance of Housing as cided to withhold accommodation in a national problem has been impress Government owned houses to such ed upon the State Governments on persons? several o^’casions and they have been requested to utilise the funds allo The Minister of Works, Housing and cated for Housing Schemes only for Urb«n Development (Shri Mehr that purpose. M n V F.M R F.R 10 1966 Written Answers 2aao .2447 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2448 Raids to Unearth Unacconnted Money (b) the action taken against the British firm which has defaulted to 1140. Shri Madhu Limayc: remit the foreign exchange to India; Shri Kishen Pattnayak: Dr. Ram Manohar Lohla; (c) whether this foreign exchange arising out of exports was against Will the Minister of Finance be import licences granted under the pleased to refer to the reply given to incentive scheme; and Starred Question No. 416 on the 11th August, 1966 and state: (d) the action taken to recover the foreign exchange? (a) the number of cases in which he looked into the results of the The Minister of Finance (Shri raids/searches including the seized Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) The documents carried out by the En- amount of export proceeds still to be forcement|Customs|Income-tax and realised is £ 465,842-2-9. other investigating agencies under his Ministry after he took office; (b) (i) Dena Bank have obtained Orders from the Bombay High Court (b) the number of cases in which for attachment of a total sum of he came to the conclusio-.o that the £ 227,048 payable by certain parties raids/manner of the raids were in Bombay and Calcutta to the U.K. justified and in how many cas®s it fii*m. was unjustified; and (ii) The Reserve Bank of India (c) the number of cases where the have issued directions under Section search was considered by him un 10(2) of the Foreign Exchange Regu justified or where no incriminating lation Act directing M/s. Chaman material was found, and Govern Lai & Brothers and their associate ment expressed regret to the parties firms to take all necessary action, so raided? including legal action against the U.K. firm for the purpose of securing The Minister of Finance (Shri realisation of the outstanding export Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) to (c). proceeds. In reply to the directive, While the Minister is responsible for the firms have intimated that they all decisions arrived at and actions are making arrangements for taking taken in his Ministry and examines legal action against the U.K. firm. documents seized or otherwise when ever necessary, it would not be in the (c) Yes, Sir. public interest to disclose the level at which such decisions have in fact (d) In addi'lion to what is stated been taken and the cases in which he in reply to part (b) above, show has himself examined the documents. cause notices have been issued to M|s. Chaman Lai & Brothers and their M/s. Chaman Lai and Brothers associate firms by the Enforcement Directorate for initiation of adjudica tion proceedings in respect of the 1141. Shri Madhn Limaye: relevant exports. Dr. Ram Manohar Lohla: Shri Kishen Pattnayak: Shri D. C. Sharma: Adjudication Proceedinfs against Shri Chlranjit La! Goenka Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to refer to the reply to Star 1142. Shri Madha Limaye: red Question No. 249 on the 4th Shri Kishen Pattnayak: August. 1960 and state: Dr. Ram Manohar Lohla; Shri Utiya: (a) the total foreign exchange still to be recovered from Messrs. Chaman WiU the Minister of Finance be Lai and Brothers; pleased to refer to the reply given 2449 Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) Written Answers 2450 to Starred Question No. 515 on the filled an appeal to the Supreme Court 18th August, 1966 and stale; against the judgment of the Rajas than High CouiH. The Supreme (a) whether adjudication proceed Court has passed an interim stay ings against Shri Chiranjit Lai Older on the 30th May, 1966 to the Goenka have since been completed; effect that the departmental proceed Cb) whethei- Government have ings under the Gold Control Rules started any legal action against the may be continued, but that the final above person in view of the judge orders should not be passed till the ment of the Kajasthan High Court; Supreme Court decides the appeal. (c) whether the assessment and (e) Does not arise. investigation into his income-tax lia Selsure of Gold bilities has since been completed; 1143. Shri Yashpal Singh: (d) whether any adjudication/im- Sliri Bagri: positio-n of penalty/prosecution has Dr. Ram Manohar Lohla: ■since been completed/started for Sliri Utiya: violation of laws and evasion of In Shri Madhu Limaye: come-tax; and Shri Kishen Pattnayak: (e) if so, the results thereof? W ill the Minister of Finance be pleased to refer to the reply give* The Minister of Finance (Shri to Unstarred Question No. 601 on Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) No, Sir. the 28th July, 1966 and state: (b) No legal action has been start- (a) whether the investigations in rd by Income-tax Department as Shri to the seizure of 560 tolas of con Goenka has filed an appeal in the traband foreign made gold have since Supiomfc Court against the judgment been completed; and of the Rajasthan High Court. The appeal is still pending. (b) if so, the result thereof and action taken by Government in th* (c) The income-tax assessment for matter? the year 1961-62 has been completed. The assessments for the subsequent The Minister of Finance (Shri years are pending as scrutiny of the Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). seized books of account and docu The Central Bureau of Investigation ments has not yet been completed. have completed the investigation in this case. It is propose to adjudicate (d) On the Income-tax side no the case departracntally in the first prosecution proceedings have so far instance. been initiated. Proceedings for penalty under Section 2 7 1(l)(c) of Family Planning Prornunme the Income-tax Act 1961 for conceal ment of income have been initiated 1144. Shri Tashpnl Singh: for the assessment year 1961-62. Shri DIghe: Shri Tishwa Nath Pandej: Shri Goenka was arrested on 8th Shri Bagri: July, 1966 by the Superintendent of Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia: Central Excise, Gold Control. New Will the Minister of Health and Delhi, for violation of Gold Control ramily Planning be pleased to refer Rules and he was released on bail. to the reply given to Unstarred Ques Departmental proceedings for viola tion No. 598 on the 28th July, 1966 tion of Gold Control Rules have been and state; smarted. Shri Goenka filed a writ petition in the Rajasthan High Court (a) whether any decision has since against the Departmental proceed been taken for allotment of more ings. but it was dismissed. He then funds for the Fourth Plan to make 2451 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2452 '!»e Family Planning programme more Ayurvedic Dispensary at Lady Hard- e.iactive; and inge Road; (b) if so, the reaction of Govern (b) if so, whether they are being ment thereto? allowed to do so by the New Delhi Municipal Committee as their tenants; The Minister of Health and Family Planning (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) and (c) if not. the reasons for the conti and (b). Yes. The proposals for an nuance of such unauthorised structures additional allocation of Rs. 144.16 and business premises; crores over and above Rs. 95 crores have been di.scussed with the Planning (d) whether it is also a fact that Commission and the Commis.sion is the temporary wooden shops in w'hich agreeable to provide additional funds. these workshops were functioning were The actual release of Funds w ill de formerly occupied by displaced per pend every year on the progress of sons who have since been allotted the programme and targets achieved. shops in other localities and thus ren dered vacant shops were proposed to Fourth Annual Electric Power Survey be demolished; 1145. Shri Yashpal Singh: W ill the (e) whether it is also a fact that Minister of Irrigation and Power be these workshops have been a constant pleased to l efer to the reply given to nuisance to the residents and the Unstarred Question No. 491 on the children of a school running in the 2®t^ July, 1966 regarding the Fourth premises on the back of these shops; Annual Electric Power Survey and and state: (f) if so. the steps taken in the (a) whether the Survey Committee matter? has since completed their survey work; The Minister of Health and Family (b) if so, whether they have sub Planning (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) mitted any report in this regard; and and (b). There are eight stalls of the (c) if so, the reaction of Govern New Delhi Municipal Committee on ment thereto? Lady Hardinge Road near the Ayur vedic Dispensary. Five of these stalls The Minister of Irrigation and were allotted for motor spare parts. Power (Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed): Two of them are doing motor repair (a) and (b). The work of the Fourth work. Annual Power Survey Committee is expected to be completed in about a (c) Does not arise. months’ time. (d) The stalls stand allotted to (c) Does not arise. refugees. Unauthorised structures near N.D.M.C, (e) Sometimes cars are parked on Ayurvedic Dispensary the road-berm for repairs which is irregular. Action is taken by the Com 1146. Shrimatl Tarkeshwarl Sinha: mittee against unauthorised parking W ill the Minister of Health and Family for repairs. Planning be pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. (f) The N.D.M.C. have approached 804 on the 1st September, 1966 and the Ministry of Works Housing & Ur state: ban Development for the allotment of (a) whether it is a fact that a numa suitable plot of land for constructing ber of motor workshops have been a shopping centre. Government have functioning on Government land near appointed a Committee to look into the New Delhi Municipal Committee this matter. The shifting of these and 2453 Written Answer, K A R T IK A 1». 1688 (SAkA) Written Answer. 2454 other temporary stalls will be consider The Minister of Works, Housinf ed by the New Delhi Municipal Com and Urban Development (Shri Mebr mittee when a suitable site is made Chand Khanna); (a) About 38100 available to them. officers eligible for general pool ac Rules re. Exeniption Limits ad commodation have so far bsen pro Expenditure by Companies vided with Government residences and about 58200 are without ac 1147. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the commodation. Minister of Finance be pleased to stale: (b) and (c). The number of resi dential units completed during the (a) whether the rules relating to Third Plan is as follows:— exemption limits on expenditure in curred by Companies and business 1961-62 448 Quarters houses from the income-tax have 1962-63 4316 Quaitrji.s. been revised and finalised recently: 1963-64 830 Quarters. and 1964-65 674 Quarters. (b) if so ilif' decision taken in the 1965-66 3112 Quarters. mnlliM Construction work on another 1891 The Minister of Finance (Shri Sa- residences is in progress. <-hindra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). Y-3S. Sir. The revised income-tax rule.':, prescribinj; certain limits and conditions for the allowance of ex 1149. w nrm penditure incurred for advertisement, Mp (a) the tolol number of Central (5T) ^ 3PT?T»r Government employees for whom housinj! facilities have so far been provided and the number of those who h;ivo not yet been given the ?WT fiTlfhl«T ipfV benefit, in the capital; (iTo g5fVHT snqr) : (^ ) sft ^ I (b) how far the construction of accommodption pro ;:aij:me has ad ( 9 ( ^). I ^ ^ ^ vanced; and (c) the position rt the end of the cui rent Plan? *i ^ wfC'JTnT 2455 'Written Answers NOVEMRER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2450. if HTVlft VWVlfTVfTK firfifiWT ^f^em if *TT srfk e q f^ iryir 1152. «rt imnr : «prr P J IW «lfWTT ^ fHT ^T^'V RfTVhFTT ^ fk : ( ^ ) f k ^ it ?rfiT^rfTqt 1151. : WT^ TT oT%f %=RT oZTl irtfWVW^RfT? : % ; ^fr?- i m t 1 1 (g-) ^ 1966 % ?icTRtf¥T 3T9^ ^TqITT 2 0 4 7 ^ ^T f+fT ^ ^fTWT ^TT % ^dV ^ ^ IT? ^ fTTT f f l T ? *hVi| FTTPBT RfWTT f»T*TtlR ( t ) q frirm T % (iT o JHUT) : ( ^ ) ?T>T ( ^ ) . fWrr m m m f t JsrfiT %7jftiT jftir^TT % ^r % ^ ir ^ ^ ST ; f^m^-f¥cTR f^T?rft— ^TT w r s i r % tT ^ f^r?^ ^r f^^?r ( ^ ) rft s f m g t o r TT 3lfar o T f^ ^ i 5rfr %T?nr ^ ?rr^i ^ 1 ^«Trfr ^r (» t) ffrr^ ?rr^rfT!n % %75t7T ifriRT % 5ffljt^ 5T% qfr- ^ »rt It ; ?tY?: ^ %trr 5rfr %TiTT^"t ?*r 3 m r ^ ;— ( ^ ) JT^, fft ^ JfTTTOT qfT^T?: I ? ftniTf iftr iPft (n't 9WI- : ( ^ ) JT?ft I 1963-64 114.GO 2 2 . 8 0 ( ^ ) % *T^ ?rm t fwr ^ 1964-65 114.00 2 2 . 80 ^ ^ nf^'rsRT ^ i^nnnT i o ^<3" ^ ^^ttx 1965-66 125.00 25. 00 f t ^ I ^Tf^T ^ *T€3T ^fTTtiT m ^sr^Tir irfWiiff % f?rift v^wnft I, TT - J ^ ift ^PTT^ 115 3. vi\ fiwHT 5mW : ^flTT fiRf i « JT^> q’? 3TTT^ ^'t frqr : (»r) ?tV (^).5T?^ ^iTT. ( ^ ) JTJrJT^t, ’tf^TT, ■?TJT-'R-r^ft jRTtf^ W r t ^ f^r ^TfiT % f?nr ?T^ % f?TifV •rfr^jRT ?rfyftO ^tTTrnfV ^ i T ^ I ;. ^ 2457 Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (SAKA) Written Answers 24^8 ( ^ ) ^-T>T m T f ^ srq-jff % f«TFT q’T ?FlT af?T% ^ ^ (vtO Thrihvft): (^) ^yr ( ? i ) . ^ 5TFTTf f’TRW, irmro ?m f^wrw Wf^y (vif^ ^ W R T ) :(^) SFT q-?- -5^ ft ^smmV i ^?rr JTT^T^TT JTtfr^ *r ^tptt t I ftr w ?TTr % v h r ( 9 ) 5ro?T^> ^<5=TT I ^fTRTFT ^ vmfrflw % aHif^^Pw v n v n ^ t ^ TftH iTTV? tf % ^IT 1154. fiw rw ^ >fHi«TT 15T irn riftw ^tcft ^T?> ^cfPt ^ f^’TT 3(T^*T fV : 1156. sft WkTT HTH^ ( ^ ) ^»T% W W ?TTT f?T*TtH^ ^ ?tY^ ?THt»T?^ f^jpT i t %?5iW ^:i% ¥f fT^T f^: : rT3[^ i7^«rnT?r ^ ^ ? n f ^ ^ ^ ’TWZT f+rf^ f>H•^ tO’ SffdHl^f^T (w>) WT w ^ t>.' ViarT? ^ % ; ^ ^ f ^ ?i1^TtiT5nT f i t » R f (^) ^tf^fTiflf n ^ fw % srf^TWrT ^rfrff^rrf^ 7T t ;"^ftr ( ^ ) ir^ ?T^ ^ r^.' {^ ) T : ( jf f ) (n ) ^•^.i'^ ^ ( ^ ) . ^ ^ ^ ?r>T wrr wm y i4^Tg^ 5f.T^ ^ f^T?- ft ? ^4T »rnT3r 9ft5T ^ inr qr T?f ^'V ^ 3 frW I ? m «rf a rTT (no gsftwi «rniT) * (?‘ ) f (^) ^ ^ t f% ^ ( ^ ) ?fiT ( ’Tj.n-'nT ^TT^>, irf 5TTT f^RTT $ ; ^ t I 2459 Written Answers NOVEM BER 10, 1966 Written Ansivcrr 2460 Hindustan Hausini^ Factorj, Delhi All-India Rural Credit Reriei< Committee’s Report 1157. Shri A. K. Gopalan: Shri Umanatb: Shri Namblar: 1158. Shri A. K. Gopalaa; Dr. Saradlsh Rey: Dr. Saradish Roy: Shri Umanatb: Shri Nambiar: Will the Minister of Works, Hoiisinf and Urban Development be pleased to W ill the Minister of Finance be state: pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that the Hindustan Housing Factory, Delhi (a) the progress made by the A ll- terminated the services of the Vice India Rural Credit Review Committee President and General Secretary of appointed by the Governor, Reserve the Hindustan Housing Factory Bank of India; Workers’ Union, Delhi in 1965 and 1966; (b) whether the Committee has made any interim suggestions; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; (c) if so, the details thereof; and (c) whether an enquiry was con ducted into the charges levelled (d) when the report of the Com against them and, if so, by whom; mittee is likely to be finalised? (d) whether it is also a fact that The Minister of Finance (Shri the Union demanded enquiry to be Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) The Com conducted by an impartial higher mittee has finalised its programme of ofTicial; and work and has commenced collecting material and data on the subject of (e) if so. the .action taken inthe the inquiry. It will also undertake matter? shortly detailed field inquiries and The Minister of Works, Housinfir and studies covering short, medium and Urban Development (Shri Mehr long term credit and problems con Chand Khanna): (a) and (b). The nected with intensive agricultural pro services of Shri F. S. Bali, who was duction. the Vice-President and Shri Desh (b) No. Deepak, who was the General Secre tary of the Hindustan Housing Fac (c) Does not arise. tory Workers’ Union, were terminated as employees of the Factory as they (d) Towards the end of 1967. were found guilty of gross misconduct. Aifairs of Sriram Durga Prasad et (c) Yes. The enquiry against Shri Nagpur F. S. Bali was conducted by an Execu z tive Engineer and against Shri Desh Deepak by the Finance-cum-Chief 1159. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Accounts OflRccr of the Hindustan Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: Housing Factory Limited. Shri Hem Bania; Shri Nath Pai; (d) and (e). No, but a request for an enquiry by outsiders was made by W ill the Minister of Finance be the persons concerned. It was not pleased to refer to the reply given to conceded as this was according to the Starred Question No. 1270 on the normal procedure. 4th Auj^ust, 1966 regarding affairs of 2461 Written Answers KARTIKA 19, 1«88 (S A K A ) Written Answer ,2462 Sriram Durga prasad of Nagpur and issued on 29th October, 1966. Efforts state: are being made to procure addiUonaf vehicles. (a) whether the investigation and examination have since been complet ed; and Institutes of Demography (b) if so, with what result? 1162. Shri Sivamurthi Swamy: W ill the Minister of Health and Famllj The Minister of Finance (Shri Planning be pleased to state: Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) No, Sir. (a) whether Government have any (b) Does not arise. proposal under consideration to start Institutes of Demography; and Child Welfare (b) if so, their number and the 1160. Shri D. C. Sharma; Will the places where these Institutes are pro Minister of Health and Family Plan posed to be started? . ning be pleased to state: The Minister of Health and Family (a) whether the Dutch Foundation Planning (Dr. Shushila Nayar): (a) for Child Welfare will conduct a pilot and (b). No proposal to start Insti project in India; tutes of Demography is under consi (b) if so, the details thereof; and deration. However it is proposed to establish u few more new Demogra (c) the steps taken in the matter? phic Research Centres in addition to the 10 existing ones so that there The Minister of Health and Family would be at least one Demographic Planning (Dr. Shushila Nayar): (a) Centre in each State of the country. No. There is no such proposal with the Health Ministry. Non-AccepUnce of Pay by Central (b) and (c). Do not arise. Government Employees 1163. Shri Kolla VenlEaiah: Mobile I.U.C.D. Clinics * Shri S M. Banerjee: Shri Onlcar Lai Berwa: 1161. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Shri BasumaUri: Minister of Health and Family Plan ning be pleased to state: W i’i the Minister of Finance be (a) the progress made with regard pleased to state: to the proposal to provide a mobi'e I.U.C.D. clinic in every district of the (a) whether it is a fact that nearly country; and six lakhs Central Government emplo yees did not accept their salary on the (b) the stage at which the matter 1st October, 1966 as a protest against stands at present? the terms of reference of the Dearness Allowance Commission; and The Minister of Health and Family (b ) if so, the reaction of Govern Planning (Dr. Shushila Nayar): (a) ment thereto? and (b). According to information available 175 mobile I.U.C.D. clinics The Minister of Finance (Shri are functioning. For achieving the Sachindra Chaudhuri); (a) Some of targets laid down, a larger number of the Central Government employees mobile I.U.C.D. clinics are needed and did not accept salary on 1st October, orders providing one mobile I.U.C.D. 1966 but accepted it on the subse clinic for every 5 to 7.5 lakhs of popu quent working day. The exact num lation in each district have been ber of such employees is not known. 1966 (Ai) LSD—5 2463 W ritten Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 W ritten Answers 2464 Collecting the information at this of the shareholders. Nev<*rtheles«, stage may not be commensurate with the Central Bank of India was re the labour involved and the advan quested by the Reserve Bank to s«tid tage to be achieved. brief statements of annual accounts to the shareholders of the transferor (b) Government does not propose bank. The statement of accounts as to revise the terms of reference of at the end of 1965 is being finalised the Commission. by the Central Bank of India and is likely to be furnished to the share holders shprtly. Fans in Servants Quarters attached IIM. Shrt Kishen PattiiAyak: to M.F. Flatfl Shrl lladhn Limaye: 1165. Shri Onkar Lai Berwa: W ill the Minister of FlnanM be Shri Brlj Raj Slnfh: pleased to state: W ill the Mini.ster of Works, HoiuiiM: (a) how many banks have been and Urban Development be pleased taken over/liquidated/amalgamated to state: under Government orders issued under (a) whether any proposal has been the relevant law in the years 1956— made to instal ceiling fans in senrantB • 6; quarters attached to the flats of Mem (b) whether Government/Reserve bers of Parliament in difTeremt loca Bank/transferee Bank concerned are lities; required to furnish to the share hol (b) if so, the details thereof; and ders of the transferer Company a statement of accounts every year for (c) if not, the reasons therefor? live years; The Minister of Works, Hoofllnf and (c) whether it is also necessary Urban Development (Shrl under the law in force to hold annual Chand Khanna): (a) No. meetings of the share-holders of the (b) Does not arise, trannsferer Bank for some years till the process of transfer/amalgamation/ (c) Previously, ceiling fans were Bquidation has been completed; not provided in type I quarters. Fol lowing a decision that they should be (d ) if so, whether the requirements provided, a programme involving an referred to in parts (b) and (c) above expenditure of Rs. 28 lakhs has been have been complied with in the case drawn up for provided ceiling fans of the Jodhpur Commercial Bank and in type I residences in New Delhi. Central Bank of India Ltd.; and Owing to the magnitude of the ex penditure, the programme will be (e ) if not, the reasons therefor? implemented to the extent that funds are made available for the purpose. The Minister of Finance (Shrl The question of providing at Govern Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) 63. ment expense ceiling fans in the quarters of the private servants ot (b) No. Members of Parliament has not been considered. (c) No. Foreign exchange to students (d ) and (e). The Central Bank of 1166. shri Hem Raj: W ill the Minis India was not required to furnish ter at Finance be pleased to state: statements of annual accounts to the shareholders of the Jodhpur Commer (a) whether it is a fact that the cial Bank or to hold annual m eetinglB foreign exchange is being denied to 2465 W ritten Answen KARTIKA 19, 1888 (SAKA) Written Answers 2466 students who have got admission in on which date water could flow into foreign Universities and who have the Canals. Due to this flelay, ryots got valid India passports; and had already sown dry cfops in June- July and would not prepare the lands (b) if so, the reasons therefor? for irrigation. Further, the flow In The Minister of Finance (Shrl the Canals was intermittent and not gachindra Chandhuri): (a) Yes, Sir, continuous due to low flows in the there have been some cases. Krishna river, as a result of failure of monsoon in the catchment of the (b) Foreign exchange is released river. ’ when the students satisfy certain prescribed conditions. The most im Drinking Water in Knttanad Area portant amongst these is that they Kerala should have attained certain minimum 1168. Shri Manlyangadan: W ill the academic standards in India. Proof Minister of Health and Pamily Plan of admission at a foreign University ning be pleased to state: is only one of the conditions before foreign exchange can be released but (a) whether the scheme for the sup- having secured admission does not by p’y of drinking water in Kuttanad itself entitle the student for the area of Kerala State has been finalis release of foreign exchange. ed; Nagarjunasagar Dam (b) if so, the details thereof; 1167. Sbri Kolia Venltaiah: W ill the (c) if the reply to part (a) above Minister of Irrigation and Power be be in the negative, the reasons for th« pleased to state; delay; and (d ) when the scheme will be imple (a) whether water was supplied for mented? irrigation from Nagarjunasagar canal this year; The Minister of Health and Family Planning (Dr. Shnshila Nayar); (a) (b) if so, the extent of the ayacut to (d). The Government of Kerala to which water was supplied under submitted an abstract of Kuttanad different canals; Water Supply Scheme in June, 1965. (c) the extent of area irrigated this As the information furnished by the year; and State Government was not adequate, they were asked to prepare the de (d) if the estimated area to be irri tailed project for the scheme in a gated this year could not be irrigat comprehensive manner. The State ed, the reasons for the failure? Government have sanctioned th« necessary staff for conducting a de The Minister of Irrigation and" tailed investigation for preparing a Power (Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed): project report which is expected to (a) Yes. be ready in July, 1967. The execu (b) Water was supplied in the Right tion of the scheme will however canal and its distributaries covering depend on the availability of funds in an ayacut of 5.1 lakh acres and in the the Fourth Five Year Plan. Left Canal and its distributaries Knndara Water Supply Scheme c o v e r iijg any ayacut of 0.7 lakh acres. 1169. Shrl Maniyangadan: Will the ( c ) 12,100 acres under Right Canal, Minister of Health and FamUy Plan and 2,600 acres under Left Canal of ning be pleased to state; Nagarjunasagar Project. (d) The flow in the Krishna river (a) whether the Kundara Water was abnormally low this year. The Supply Scheme, Kerala has been fina re servo ir filled up only by 3rd August lised; 2467 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 W ritten Answers 2468 (b) whether the scheme has been struct among other works a 30 feet implemented; and high weir across Kallor river for diverting the waters to the neighbour (c) if not, the reasons thereforT ing Rettayar Valley through a tunnel •The Minister of Health and Family 10,000 feet long anJ~'from there to Planning^ (Dr. Siishila Nayar): (a) Idikki reservoir through another to (c). Kundara Water Supply tunnel 12,000 feet long. Scheme at an estimated cost of (c) Water spread at Kallor diver jIs. 4,34,800 was received from the sion site will be about 50 acres. Government of Kerala in May, I9B6. The State Government, who had re (d) No families will be evicted due quested that the scheme be approved to submersion at Kallor. under the rural phase of the National Water Supply and Sanitation Pro (e ) Final demarcation has not yet gramme, were informed that Kundara been done. had been classified in the 1961 Census report as urban and the water supply scheme of that town could not, there cnrFTR fore, be considered under the rural phase of the Programme. H5Vever, 1171. WlWTT : if the State Government desired to take up this scheme under the urban phase of the National Water Supply vH V I : and Sanitation Programme, they might approve and execute it under the powers delegated to them. The State ^ fin w 4 Govornment have not taken it up for 198 6 € execution so far due to paucity of 1 26 2 % funds. Dam at Kallor in Kerala 1170. Shri Manlyangadan: W ill the Minister of Irrii^ation and Power be pleased to state: (a) whether there is a proposal to construct a dam at Kallor in the (? j) !Tt, Tifyr #; high ranges of Kottayam District in Kerala; (b ) the details thereof; (»T) ?fT (c) the water spread area of the f f ^ T ? project; (d) the number of families to be evicted for the purpose of this dam; : ( ^ ) ^ (»t). and ?T^ ^TTfTiriTT % fn^rW ^ TTo.'fqT^ (e) whether the area required for this dam has been demarcated? ^ ^ The Minister of Irrigation and SCO w f f ^ wrr f ^ T m i Power (Shri Fakhruddln Ahmed): (a) and (b). There is no proposal at ^ I 1966 % 31 1966 present to construct a dam on Kallor ^ ^ if rrnr ^ 241 river. However, a» part of the Idikki Project it has been proposed to con w ff ^ tar »P7T ^ 1 2469 'Written Answers KARTIKA 19, 1888 iSAKA) Written Answers 247O iim «T'»i (b) if.so, the main criteria thereof; ^ wnm r % (c) whether it is a fact that while transferring some employees from Shorannur and Ernakulam Presses the»B principles were not observed by 1172. s it % f H n WT5T i x ^ j : the Superintendents of the presse* concerned; and tflfV w i : (d) if so, the steps taken by Gov- •rnment in the matter? q fT ^ T fw>5r?r The Minister of Worl», Hoasin^: and Urban Development (Shri Mehr »T5ft 2 8 1966 % W Ttf^ Chand Khanna): (a) to (d). The re 3 m T jjm j 4 7 7 % ir quisite information is being collected ^n’r?r ^ fr^TT : from the Government of Kerala and will be laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha. ( ^ ) ?n?T> Trivandrum Dental CoUefe ^ ft ^ ^ ^r ^ grn^M' 1174. Slui Imbichlbava: Shri A. K. Gopalan: Shrl Mohammed Koya: ( ^ ) irr? ?T, fTT cjffrjj ^ W ill the Minister of Health aad Family Planninir be pleased to state; I; (a) whether there is any proposal under consideration of the Kerala ( ^ ) m ^ Government to effect any change in =1^ ^ I ? the present set-up of the Trivandrum Dental College; / WTPcyr ilf^t *?fT«TTT f»m h R (b) if so, the reasons therefor; (¥To g5ftHT?rm) :(^) i (c) the estimated cost involved; and (d) the administrative difflcultlea ( ^ ) ^-5rT^^mrr 174 arising out of the proposed separation % ?TEft?T »rf?fh of the Dental College from the Medical jM d »iT-^ f ^ s^TifV »rf I College? The Minister of Health and Family (»r) 5T^ ^ vT^lr 1 Planning (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) to (d). The Dental Council of India has recommended that the Dental ftaplojeca of Go College, Trivandrum should be made Kerala independent of the Medical College, Trivandrum. The proposal is under 1173. Slirl Imbichlbaya: the consideration of the Govt, at Shrl A. K. Gopalaa: Kerala. Loans advanced to States W ill the Minister of Works, Houalnf and Urban Development be pleased to 1175. Shrl Maheswar Nalk: state: Shri P. C. Borooah: W ill the Minister of Finance b* (a) whether any rules have been pleased to state: framed to effect the transfers of the employees of the Government presaea (a) whether Goverzmient have re in Kerala; cently advanced loans to different 2471 W ritten Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2472 States to help them clear their heavy and how far the same has been clear unauthorised overdrafts with the ed with the grant of these loans? Reserve Bank; The Minister of Finance (Shrl Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). (b ) if so, the amount of loans ad Loan assistance amounting to Rs. 94.25 vanced to each State and the terms of crores was provided b y the Govern the loans; and ment of India to the following States for clearing their overdrafts with the (c) the total amount of overdraft Reserve Bank in June last:— (In crorcs of Rs.) Loans granted State Ways & Means ad Loans recovrrnMc Total vances recoverable during 1967-68 to during 1966-67 to 1970-71 Andhra Pradesh . . 13-35 21-00 34-35 Assnm . . . 2-80 2-00 4 80 Bihar . . . 1-95 I 95 Madhya Pradesh . . 4-25 8 0 0 12-25 Orissa . . . 3 15 — 3-15 Rajasthan . . . 5*10 17-00 22-10 M ysore . . . 10-65 5-00 15-65 T o t a l . . 4 1 -25 53 00 94-25 The advances amounting to Rs. 41.25 (b) if so, the action Government •rores carry interest at 4 per cent per have taken in the mattei^ annum and are recoverable within the current year by adjustment against The Minister of Finance (Shrl States’ shares of Central taxes, duties Sachindra Cliaudhuri): (a) On 7th and grants. The rest of the loans October, ]966 the officers of the Bom amounting to Rs. 53 crores carrying bay Police seized five silver ingots interest at 5 per cent per annum and valued at about Rs. 56,000 from a car w ill be recovered from the States at a place near the Hindu Cemetory, •oncorned during the next four years. Khar-Danda Road, Bombay. (c) In terms of the agreements with (h) The car was also seized. The the State Governments, the Reserve case was handed over by the Police Bank of India act as their bankers authorities to the officers of the and as such details of transactions Bombay Central Excise Collectorate between them cannot be made public. who are conducting further investi gation. Seizure of Silver in Bombay Seiauvc of a Greek Tanker in Bombay 1176. Shrt Tula Ram; Harbour Shrl Vis&wa Nath Pandey : 1177. Shri Tula Ram: WiU the Minister of Hmmco be Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: pleased to state: Will the Minister of Finance be (a) whether it is a fact that fine pleased to state: ailver ingots valued at Rs. 56,000 were seized from a car on the sea shore at (a) whether it is a fact that a Greek Tanker, Capistrano, has been seized Bandra by the customs authorities at Bombay 00 the 7th October, 1966; and by the customs officials in the Bombay 2473 Written Answers KARTIKA 19, 1688 (SAKi4) Written Answers 2474 h a r b our for alleged smuggling o t Congress Committee with the private liquor worth 1.5 lakhs into the city licensee for the power connection. recently; and fn>T.«T (b) if so, the action taken by G o t - ernment in the matter? % i f The Minister of Finance (Shrl 117 9. «flf : Sachlndra Chandhnri): (a) It is a fact that in September, 1968, a Mon- sr> if ^ : rovian Tanker s.s. “Capistrano” was ^ Wi : seized by the Customs Authorities at Bombay, as it was found to have been used in the smuggling of 112 cases of liquor valued at about Rs. 1,07,500 and fT O H ^ 3fft f;»n ftfr; Cigarettes and tobacco valued at about Ra. 54,800. (w :) ^ 5 (b) The Captain, a Greek national, 1 966 ^ % was arrested and has been released on ^ ^ 1^- bail. The vessel was allowed to sail on furnishing a Bank Guarantee of Rs. 5 lakhs. A sum of 3635 produced ’irtT 6,000 ^ ^ by the Captain of the ship, which was not declared by him, was also seized. Further investigations are in progress. ^ ^ ^ t ^ Power Connection at A.I.C.C. Emakulam 117*. Shrl Vasudevan Nair: (it) ^ W if ^ Shri Warior; ^ ^ W ill the Minister of Irrigation an i (tr) ^ ^ Power be pleased to state: (a) the amount deposited by the A.I.C.C. authorities for the extension of Power connection to the site of their Session at Ernakulam; : ( ^ ) (b) whether it is a fact that the A.I.C.C. authorities did not Tnnlfg any I deposit; and (?3-) rr^. ^ 5T«T (c) if so, who made the dep>o8it am their behalf? n W ^ f?rr «rr I ^ a«rr ^ ^ ^ The Minister of Irrigation and Power (Shri Fakhraddin Ahmed): (a) to (c). The site of the AICC Session at Emakulam falls within the ( tt) jtht# ^ tVcrV area of a private licensee. Hence the Strto Electricity Board did not in c u r r-J % I ' aiiy expenditure tov»ards the extension of power conncction to the site. No (tf) ^ ^ it TT^ TT?fT 5ffY information is available whether any amount was deposited by th« Kerala 2475 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2476 r«frT|T Bhakra Dan ^ I 1183. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Will the Minister of Irrigation and Gold seized from a stodent bouad for Power be pleased to state: . AUalubad IIBO. Shri Dlfhe: (a) whether it is a fact that experts liave recently expressed their Shrl Vlihwa Nath Pandey: views that the life of the Bhakra dam W ill the Minister of Finaace be would be only 60 years, and net go pleased to state; long as it wag earlier expected to be; (a) whether it is a fact that contra (b) if so, whether Government band gold worth Rs. 24,000 was seized agree with that view; and from a student bound for Allahabad (c) the reason therefor? and his associate at Victoria Terminus Station on the 9th October, 1966 The Minister of Irrigation and (Bombay) by the Customs authorities; Power (Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed): (a) and ♦- No, the loss of total capacity of the Bhakra reservoir would take place in (b ) if so, the action taken by Gov 350 to 400 years at the present rate ernment in the matter? of siltation. The Minister of Finance (Shrl (b) and (c). Do not arise. Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) On 10th October, 1966 the Customs Officers Stains of Central Social Welfare Board seized 150 tolas of gold bearing fore 1184. Shri Dlghe: ign markings and valued at Rs. 14,763 Shri Vishwa Natih Pandey; at the international rate from a stu dent bound for Allahabad at Victoria W ill the Minister of Planning and Terminus Railway Station, Bombay. Social Welfare be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question (b) The student and his companion No. 1285 on the 4th August, 1966 re were arrested. The case is under garding status of Central Social W el investigation. fare Board and state; (a) whether any final decision ba* Tuiur Koottayl Canal since been taken regarding the status of the Central Social Welfare Board; 1182. Shri Mohammed Koya: W ill and the Minister of Irrigation and Power be pleased to state: (b) if so, the broad details thereof? (a) whether Government have fina The Deputy Minister in the Depart lised the scheme for constructing • ment of Social Welfare (Shrimatl Regulator to prevent saline ingress Chandrasekhar): (a) and (b). The into Tanur Koottayi Canal in Kerala matter is still under consideration. State; and Schemes sponsored hy Centre for (b) if so, the details thereof? States In Foorth Plan 1185 Shri Maheswar Naik: The Minister of Irrigation and Power Shri P. C. Borooah: (Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed): (a) Esti Shri Surendra Pal Singh: mate for lock-cum-Regulator at Tanur and Tanur Kuttayi Canal amounting Will the Minister of Planning and to Rs. 7.36 lakhs is under considera Social Welfare be pleased to state: tion of the State Government. (a) whether there is a proposal to (b) Does not arise. allocate to the States a major share 2^77 Answers KARTIKA 19, 1®88 (SAKi4) WHtten Answers 2478 for schemes sponsored by tke Centre « w d qr rftnf in the Fourth Plan; % T ^ , ^'T Ir ^ (b) if so. the decision taken in this sftf ^ I I behalf; and ^Tirn: ^ (c) the suggestions/recommendatioiis % qr^ iT^ft made by the Committee, appointed in August, 1966 by the National Develop I ir 900 ment Council, to modify the type ol ^ ^ qifTOT^r ^ programmes and the pattern of Cen tral assistance to States? 250 ^ 51% fVvflVTtT ^ I (^ ) *Ft wrairr The Minister of Planninir and Social Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): (a) to <^al ^ f*F ^TTT^ (c). The subject is still under discus ^ ^ c ff It ?T ^ ?ftT Ir sion and a decision has yet to be taken ^TTTcT ^ ?n f ^ by the Committee of the National Development Council. ^ I lucriptions of Mahatma Gandhi'a ^ ^ Him TeachinsB at RaJrhat 5n5TT 1187. Shri Daljit Slnffh: WiU the Minister of Worlcs, Housing 1 18 6 . W : and Urban Development be pleas ed to refer to the reply given to Un itarred Question No. 1232 on the 4th ^ ^ ^ ^ August, 1966 and state the progress §o far made to inscribe teachings of Mahatma Gandhi at the entrance to the Raj ghat? («r.) ^ «rft *tT^T The Minister of WorlLs, Honsinr and Urban Development (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): The matter has been considered by the Raj ghat (tsr.) W ^ ^ Samadhi Committee which has called ?n5tTT ^ ^r<^r 900 for additional information from the ^ ^ ^ 250 architect in order to be able to con sider it further. ^’TiTT srf^ f e r t t ?rt7: Intellifence-com-legal Anthontj to (>T.) ^ ^ ^ Combat Spnrioos Drufs ffTTT W ^ ip ft 1188. Shri Harl Vishnu Kamath: % ? ' Shri Jashvant Mehta: W ill the Minister of Health and ftRT JTJft («rt ) : Family Planninf be pleased to stato: ( ^ ) 5TFcr ^ ’^^rarr (a) whether it is a fact that tho I 'TTf^^^T ^ if Drugs and Equipment Standards Com mittee has recommended the establish tnrt ^rrar ^ ^ | 1 ment of an “Intelligence-cum-legal authority” in each State for cotiibatinf ( ^ ) ^ TRir the menace of spurious drugs; and ?r^ The Minister of Health and Family objectives of the National Consumer Planniir (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) Yes. Service and what it has so far done (b ) A ll the recommendations in in fulfilment of those objectives is laid on the Table the House. cluding the present one contained in the report of the said Committee are under examination by a Committee of Statement six Stalft Health Ministers appointed Tho National Consumer Service, ori- in pursuance of a resolution passed ginaUy entitled “Non-Official Price by tlie Central Council of Health. Intelligence Service”, was started in early 1963 on a pilot basis in Delhi, fswT W.T by a group of voluntary organisations. In February, 1964 a Working Group consisting of the representatives of the Planning Commission, Central 1190. ¥To SRTT9 : ^ Ministries concerned and the partici pating voluntary organi-sations re %>'n ^ : christened it as the National Consumer Service .and drow up a comprehen sive scheme. r?T9TT r^^iTTTT ’TT^VT 2. The Tnain object of the Service is wrr I ; to protect the interest of the consu mer. Its main activities are: (^ .) Fft, grt 3^ (i) to organise Consumers Coun cils at the National, State and V ^ District Levels; (ii) to promote consumer coopera (iT o *ntTT) : ( t ) 3ft irt I tives; if (iii) to undertake research into f w r ffTTT ^ consumer problems and stud ies relating to market intelli snpj^r ^ f q ^ I I gence, consumption patterns, hoarding, artificial scarcities, transport bottlenecks, licenc aCFlTl I ing procediiVes, etc; and (iv ) to assist in the prevention of National Consumer Service adulteration, exercising qua lity control and eradication of 1191. Dr. Mahadeva Prasad: W ill the malpractices in weights and Minister of Planning: and Social Wel measures, etc. fare be pleased to state: > 3. The Service has State branches (a) whether it is a fact that the at Bhopal, Hyderabad, Madras and NatJxmal Consumer oervice was start Pondicherry. ed with an objcct to protect the inte rest of the consumers in early 1963; 4. An intensive survey by the Ser and vice revealed that food adulteration was a growing menace and a very serious hazard to health of the people. (b ) if so, how far it has succeeded In view of the seriousness, extent and in achieving its object? nature of food adulteration, the Na The Minister of Planning and Social tional Consumer Service decided to Welfare (Slid Asoka MehU): (a) and organise exhibitions on the prevention fb). A statement showini; the broad of food adulteration in various parte 2481 Written Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1<888 (SAKA) Written Answers 2482 of the country. The first exhibition 4n Delhi and how consumers was organised from the 2nd to 5th can obtain their requirements October, 1964 in New Delhi. It created of sugar regularly. a good impact on the people and the local Government. The second exhi (iii) High prices of vegetables in Delhi and how they can be bition was held at Durgapur on the occasion of the A ll India Congress reduced, Session from the 5th to 10th January, (iv ) Black-marketing in cycle 1965. To educate the consumers, tyres and tubes in Delhi and display of weights and measures was how prices can be brought included as part of the Exhibition on down to the normal level. Food Adulteration. (v ) Hardships of a consumer. 5. On the recommendation of tlie National Consumer Service, Delhi 10. Seven discussion programmes Administration provided a mobile were arranged by the Delhi Station court to the Department of Weights of A ll India Radio. and Measures. This court assisted by 11. Articles on Consumer protection the price collectors of the National and allied subjects appeared in Consumers Service and the officers of ‘Yojana’, ‘Bharat Sevak’, ‘Industrial the Department organised surprise Times’, ‘Cooperator’, ‘Consumer’ and raids and brought to book over 500 'Encyclopaedia of Social Work in offenders from August, 1964 to March, India’. 1965. 12. The programme is still in its 6. Five programmes were arranged infancy and it had a long way to go. on Television to demonstrate how It is too early to expect any striking consumers were being deceived and achievement. what precautionary measures the consumers could takq to protect their Rural Industries Project own interests. 1192. Dr. Mahadeva Prasad: W ill the 7. The Price Rise Resistance Move Plaimiiig and Social Wel ment in Delhi was vsupported by the Minister of National Consumer Service. The fare be pleased to state: Service has also encouraged the for (a) whether it is a fact that there mation of consumer councils in differ is a scheme called rural industnee ent locn1i!i(-\s of Delhi and helped them project in many parts of the country; to organise resi::tance against the ris ing pricos of essential commodities (b) if so, the name of the States like milk and vegetables. and the Districts thereof covered by the said scheme; and 8. On the occasion of Diwali in 1064, it organised a campaign whereby (c) the achievements of the aaid Consumer Councils manufactured a scheme? variety of sweets and sold them to the residents of their respective loca The Minister of Planning and Social lities at rates which were lower than Welfare (Shri Asoka Mohta): (a) Yes. those prevailing in the market (b) and (c). A list of areas selected 9. The following case studies were foV the Rural Industries Projects is carried by the Service: laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- (i) Working of Fair Price Shops 7297166). A brief review of progress and how they can be inade of the Rural Industries Projects Pro more effective. gram e for the period ending March 31 1965 Is laid on the Table of the (ii) Distribution of Sugar at the House. [Placed in Uhrary. See No. Wholesale and Retail Levels 2483 W ritten Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2484 LT-7297|66). Information regarding (a) whether it hag been decided to progiess achieved during 1965-66 is implement 9 power projects with a being collected. total installed capacity of 1,833 MW RepreseBtaUon to PJM. by M.Ps. from under the Fourth Plan; U.P. (b ) if so, where these new power 1193. Dr. Mahadeva Praaad: W ill plants will be set up; the Minister of Planning and Social (c) how far the per capita avail Welfare be pleased to state: ability of power in each State w ill (a) whether it ig a fact that the increase with the implementation of Members of Parliament from U.P. the projects by the end of the Fourth submitted a memorandum to the Plan, and how it w ill compare with Prime Minister recently, drawing her that in Assam; and attention to the injustice done to U.P. (d ) the envisaged All-India per In respect of allotment of resource# capita availability of power at the end and projects; of the fourth Plan? (b) if so, the details thereof; and The Minister of Irrigation and Power (c) Government’s reaction thereto? (Shri Fakhruddin Ahmed): (a) ind (b). Several power projects were The Minister of Planning and Social sanctioned primarily for the Fourth Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): (a) Yes, plan. Recently nine additional pro Sir. jects with a total capacity of 1,833 MW have been sanctioned for implementa (b) and (c). The main points indi tion. These projects are located in cated in the memorandum were care the States of Bihar, Andhra Pradesh, fully considered in examining the Kerala, West Bengal, Ja*mmu and Draft Fourth Five Year Plan of Uttar Kashmir, Maharashtra, Hariana and in Pradesh. the Union Territories of Delhi and Himachal Pradesh. Aeirare of Gold (c) and (d). As the fourth Plan ia 1194. Shrimati Mainn>ona Sultan: still under discussions with the States, W ill the Minister of Fiitfance be pleased it is not possible to give the per capita to state: figures for the Fourth Plan in differ (a) whether a large quantity of ent States. hoarded gold has been seized by the Central Excise Department thia year; Central Assistance for Calcutta*! Urban Development (b) if so, the extent of such gold ■eized during each of the first thre« 1196. Shri Indrajit Gupte: W ill the quarters of this year; and Minister of Planning and Social Wel (c) if so, the steps taken to fare be pleased to state: the extent of hoarded and unaccount (a) how much Central assistance in ed gold in the country? the Fourth Plan has been requested The Minister of Finance (Shri by the West Bengal Government for Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) to (c). various projects connected with Cal The information is being collected and cutta’s urban development; will be laid on the Table of the (b ) the reaction of Government House. thereto; and Power Projects In Fourth Plaa (c) whether the State Gavemment»s 1195. Shri P. C. Boro(oah: W ill the view that Calcutta’s problems are of Minister of IrrigaUon and Power be national importance are shared by the pleased to state: Centre? 2485 Vfritten Answers KARTIKA 19, 1«88 (5AK>1) Vfritten Answers 2486 The Minister of Planning and whole matter of revising the lists of Social Welfare (Shri Asoka Mehta): Scheduled Castes and Scheduled (a) the Government of West Bengal Tribes is under consideration. have requested a Central assistance of Rs. 62.77 crores for various pro jects connected with Calcutta’s urban Chemists employed b j fflnanoe development. Mlniatry (b) The matter is still under consi deration. (c) Development of metropolitan Min^istcr of Finance be pleasc-d to areas has “ importance” from the Na tional. Regional and State points of view. (a) the number of Chemistg at pre sent employed in the various depart ments under his Ministry; Inclusion of Passi Commanity in list of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled (b) the various cadres provided for Tribes such services; and 1197. Dr. M. S. Aney: Will the Min (c) the number of posts which are ister of Planning and Social Welfare ^ Class I, Class II and Class HI be pleased to state: Cadres? (a) whether Government are aware that the members of the Passi Com The Minister of Finance (Shri munity have been included in the List Sachindra Chaudhurl): (a) The work- of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled mg strength is 168. Tribes published by the Government (b) The various cadres are: of Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa, Punjab, Uttar Pradesh, West Bengal Under the Department of Revenue: and Maharashtra excepting those re siding in the Districts of Marathwada H) Chief Chemist. and Vidarbha; Hi) Deputy Chief Chemist. (b ) whether Government are also Ciii) Chemical Examiner, Grade I. aware that this discrimination made (iv) Chemical Examiner, Grade II. against the Passi in the above two (v ) Assistant Chemical Examiner. divisions of the Mahara.shtra State has (vi) Chemical Assistant, Grade I. caused great discontent in the members of the Passi Community residing in (vii) Chemical Assistant Grade H. these two districts of Maharashtra; and Under the Department of Economic AJE^airs: (c) the steps taken to remove the discrimination? (i) Chief Assayer. (ii) Offlcer-in-Charge, Central The Deputy Minister in the Depart Assay OfHce. K.G.M.U. ment of Social Welfare (Shrimatl (iii) Deputy Chief Assayer. Chandrasekhar): (a) Yes, the Passi community is included as Scheduled (iv) Chief Chemist, C a s te s in these States excepting in (v ) Deputy Works Manager parts of Maharashtra and Madhya (Chemical). Pradesh. (vi) Assay Superindent. (vii) Assistant Chief Chemist. (b) and (c). Some repre.wntations have been received in the matter. The (viii) Assistant Assay Superintendt. 2^87 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1&66 W ritten Answers 2488 (c) The number of posts sanctioned revision effected in the pay scales of in Class I, Class II and Class III are: Assistant Surgeons in the Allopathic Dispensaries after the 1st July, 1965; U nder Department Under Department of Revenue of K.A. (c) if. so, the reasons therefor? The Minister of Health and Family (i) Class I 30 Planning (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) to (ii) Class I I 24 (c). The pay scales of the members (iii) Class I I I 12 7 of Central Health Service were re T ota l cently revised. These scales of pay are not automatically allowed to Diamond dealers going Abroad others. But the case for revising the scale of pay in respect of Ayurvedic 1199. Shri P. H. Bheel: Physicians is under examination. Shri Kapur Singh: Will the Minister of Finance be Ayurvedic Physicians in C.H.S. pleased to state: Dispensaries (a) whether it is a fact that some 1201. Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha: of the top diamond dealers in the Will the Minister of Health and Family country go abroad as frequently as Planning be pleased to state: twice a month; (a) whether there is a proposal to (b) if so, the reasons why Govern have a separate service for Ayurve ment have been permitting such visits dic Physicians on the lines of C.H.S. so frequently; and for Allopathic Medical Officers; (c) whether any reports have been fb) if so, the details thereof; and received as regards the manipulation of foreign exchange going on in ex (c) if not, what is the scope of pro port and rmport of diamonds by these motion for Ayurvedic Physicians in dealers? C.H.S. Dispensaries? The Minister of Finance (Shri The Minister of Health and Family Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). Planning (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) No. The Reserve Bank are ascertaining (b) Does not arise. the position. (c) There are two Ayurvedic dis (c) No such reports have been re pensaries under the Central Govern ceived. ment Health Scheme as an experi mental measure with six posts of Pay Scales of Ayurvedic Physicians Ayurvedic Physicians at present. They 1200. Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha: can apply for batter pK>sts, according Will the Minister of Health and Family to rules, if any are advertised. Planning be pleased to state: Amount spent on Pnblio Sector (a) whether it is a fact *hat before Undertakings in three Plans the 1st July, 1965, the pay-scales of Ayurvedic Physicians in C.H.S. Dis 1202. Shri Man Sinh P. Patel: WiU pensaries were identical to that of the the Minister of Planning and Social Assistant Surgeons Grade-I working Welfare be pleased to state: in the corresponding Allopathic Dis (a) the amount spent in lifferent pensaries of C.H.S.; States on Public Sector Undertakings (b) whether it is also a fact that the in the three Plans period; and pay scales and non-practising allow (b) how the Regional or States im ance of Ayurvedic Physicians have balance will be improved in the not been revised in line with the Fourth Plan period? 2489 Wr itten Answers K A R T IK A 19, 1688 (S A K A ) WHUen Answers 2490 The Minister of Planning and («fV : Social Welfare (Shri Asoka Melita): (a) A statement giving the State-wise investment on Central and State indus % nmrm % if ^ ^ trial progects during the First, Second and Third Plan periods is placed on the Table of the House. [Pfaced in ? % nwnr ^ Library. See No. LT-7298/66]. ^ ’ITRry 5 I • (b) Measures taken to reduce the regional i*mbalance in the industrial development include:— ?rraTcT # «TRT (TT5I^) (i) the location of public sector ^ t I industrial projects in the com paratively industrially back Sayinr Cafialcity of Middle Claai ward areas, within the cons traints imposed by the over 1204. Shri K. C. Pant: W ill the Min all techno-economic consider ister of Finance be pleased to .itate; ations; (a) whether it is a fact that the (ii) the establishment of ‘Indus rising prices of essential commodities trial Areas’ in the industrially have hit the saving capacity of the backward regions to provide middle class; basic overheads like power, transport, water, other faci (b) the relation of savings to in lities and to develop factory come in the lower middle and upper Kites and offer them for sale income brackets; or on long-term lease to pros (c) whether this proportion com pective entrepreneurs, pares favourably with the income- (iii) Preferential consideration to savings ratio in the developed industrially backward areas countries; and licensing industrial projects in the private sector. (d) if not, the reasons therefor? (iv ) Promotion and dcvelop-ment The Minister of Finance (Shri of industries through the ini Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) and (b). tiative and assistance of the Statistical information regarding the State Industrial Development. relation of saving to income in differ Corporations. ent income brackets is not readily These measures are intended to be available. In the absence of that it pursued during the Fourth Plan is also not possible to give a reply to period. part (a) of the que.stion in specific terms, although it is probable that the f w w V rise in the prices of essential commo dities may have impaired the capa city to save of some sections of the 1203. fV5RS75TTW : middle class. (c) Although precise data are not ^ fim ’Tcfy^ ^ frqr available flDr the inoome-savings ratio for different income brackets, the ^ fsrfVrar average rate of saving in India does % vnnrRr ^ ^ % not compare favourably with that in ^ it ’RTCT f¥cT^ the developed countries. fjnr ^ ^ ^ 5^ fwjfV (d) The main reason is the very f f ? low income per capita in India. 2491 Written Answers NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Written Answers 2492 Housin f PUn for Harijans in Mysore Promotion of Scheduled Castes a>d Scheduled Tribes in Central Board 1205. Shri H. C. Llnpa Reddy: Will of Revenue the Minister of Planning: and Social Welfare be pleased to state: 1207. Shri Balkrishna Wasnik: Will the Minister of Finance be plased to (a) the Harijan Housing Program state: me carried out during the Third Five (a) whether reservation is given to Year Plan period in Mysore State; the members of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in the promo (b) whether a Corporation hus been tion from Class III to Class II and constituted for carrying out tJie Hari jan Housing Programmes in the Class II to Class I services and also Fourth Five Year Plan period; in Class III grades from time to time under Article 16(4) of the Constitu (c) whether any amount has been tion which has been upheld by the set apart for the purpose and if so, Supreme Court of India; how much by way of loan and '>ub- (b) whether the Departmental Pro sidy; and motion Committees and the screening (d) the progress made so far in the co-mmittec, constituted by the Central work? Board of Revenue have been :»dvised by Government to take into consider The Deputy Minister in the Depart ation the aforesaid judgement and ment of Social Welfare (Shriniati make their recommendntions accord Chandrasekhar); (a) to (d). The in ingly; and formation has been called for from (c) if so, the number of promotions ♦he Gk)vernment of Mysore and shall made in various grades of services to be laid on the Table of the House as complete the required quota of reser soon as it is received. vations to the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes in the Central Board ScJieduled Castes and Scheduled of Revenue? Tribes In Central Excise and Customs Departments The Minister of Finance (Shri Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) and rb). 1206. Shri Balkrishna Wasnik: Will In accordance with the general orders the Minister of Finance be pleased to on the subject which have been issued state; after taking into account the judge (&) the number of the employees ment of the Supreme Court, there is belonging to the Scheduled Castes and no reservation for Scheduled Castes Scheduled Tribes employed in the and Scheduled Tribes in regard to various grades, grade-wise, execu pro*motions to Class I and Class II tive, ministerial and Class IV in the posts. In respect of Class III and Department of Central Excise and Class IV, reservation at 12 per cent Customs; and 5 per cent respectively for Sche duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (b) whether the percentage roserv- have been prescribed for grades to ed for Scheduled Castes and Sche which there i.«! no direct recruitment.. duled Tribes has been achieved; and These reservations apply to promo tions made by selection as well as (c) if not, the steps taken to fulfil those made on the results of compe the quota? titive examinations limited to depart mental candidates. The Minister of Finance (Shri Sachindra Chaudhuri): (a) to (c). (c) The requisite information is be The information is being collected ing collected and will be placed on and will be laid on the Table of the the Table of the Sabha as early as House as soon as possible. possible. 2493^^^^0nation K A R T IK A 19, 1888 iS A K A ) by Shri Nanda (A .M .& C .A .) 2494 Shamshan B hoom iin Rajoari Gardes Shri S. M. Baaerjee: If she is mak Extendon ing a statement at 1.00, Sir, kindly hear me for half a minute, 1208. Shri M. B. Krishna: Shri Rameshekhar Prasad Mr. Speaker: What else does he Sinrb: want? She is making a statement at Shri J. P. Jyotishi: 1.00. W ill the Minister of Health and Famiij Planniuf be pleased to state: Shri S. M. Banerjee: Sir, you have rejected my privilege motion Kindly (a) whether it is a fact that Gov hear me . . . ernment have taken a decision to re move the “ Shamshan Bhoomi" from Mr. Speaker: Order, order. This the Rajouri Garden Extension area; cannot be raised in this manner. No and reference to Lok Sabha was needed. (b) if so, when the orders are likely There is no question of any breach of to be implemented? privilege. I have disallowed it and he cannot raise it now in this manner. The Minister of Health and Family Planning (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) No. Shri S. M. Banerjee: You have (b) Does not arise. ruled many times that when the Par liament is in session such statements should be made flrBt in the House. 13 hrs. RE: MOTIONS FOR ADJOURNMENT Mr. Speaker: That does not apply AND CALLING ATTENTION here, that ig a different thing alto NOTICES gether. (Interruptions). R e s i g n a t i o n b y Shri N a n d a a s M i n i s Shri Hari Viflhnn Kamath (Hoshan- t e r OF H o m e A tfairs gabad): When is the Prime Minister Mr. Speaker: I have received three making the statement? adjournment motions and six Calling Attention Notices in respect of the Mr. Speaker: A t one o’clock. Home Minister’s resignation. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Is the Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): I Home Minister also making a state have tabled a Privilege Motion. ment; under the rules he can. Mr. Speaker: When I have rejected Mr. Speaker: That I do not know. that, why should be raise it now? (Interruption). When that statement Shri S. M. Banerjee: Why was inti is coming, how can I have a prelimi mation not given to the House here? nary discussion now and then take a decision? It is not possible. Mr. Speaker: Is the Prime Minister making any statement on that? Shri Hem Bama (Gauhati): The The Minister of Parliamentary Prime Minister is coming. She can Affairs and ConmMinications (Shri make the statement now. (Interrup Satya Narayan Sinha): Yes, Sir. tions). Mr. Speaker: When? Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: I think The Prime Minister and Minister of Atomic Energy (Shrimati Indira at about one o’clock. Gandhi): Sir, I received Shri Nanda’s An hon. Member: Why not now? letter only late last evening as well as the copy of his Press statement, Mr. Speaker: Then I will hold this both of which have appeared m the oyer and just wait for the statement Press today. I have no desire to ]oin at one o’clock. 1966 (A i) LSD - 6 2495 Resignation NOVEMBER 10, 1&66 by Shri Nanda (A.M. & C.A.) 2496 [Shrimati Indira Gandhi] the adjournment motion ought to be issue with or comment upon the admitted. After you have heard us, observations made by Nandaji either and after consulting them if they in his letter or in his statement to have something to say as to why the. the Press. I do not think that it adjournment motion should not be would serve any public purpose to go allowed, then you can take a decision. into them (Interruption). I would You may ask for clarification from only like to say, it was after deep and other members of the opposition or most anxious thought and with much any other member and then take your regret that I decided to recommend decision. You cannot straightway say to the President acceptance of Shri that the adjournment motion is not Nanda’s resignation (Interruption). going to be admitted. Speaking personally, it has been a matter of painful parting of an old Mr. Speaker: Now Shri Ranga may and trusted colleague whose hard say whatever he wants to say about work and integrity were appreciated the failure of the Government. by us all. As I haVe said to Shri Nanda in my letter, I hope that his Shri Rang:a: I have given notice of cooperation and wise counsel w ill my adjournment motion for diflferent continue to be available to us, the (purposes. One is this. The Home Government and this country. Minister himself has stated in his letter of resignation that he had «fV mnft (f^):'"TOnST written to the Prime Minister that he wag not getting personal support from the Prime Minister, to which he was Mr. Speaker: When a statement is entitled, and political support to being made, no point of order arises which also he was certainly entitled. in the middle. Let the statement be He wag also not getting complete made. \ 1 co-operation and support from his Secretary, he brought this fact to the notice of the Prime Minister, not once ^ t 1 but several times, but, in spite of it, the Prime Minister did not strengthe*n Mr. Speaker: No point of order . . . him. Thirdly, there was an instruc (Interruptions). Order, order. Let tion ^ ven through the Ministry to Shri D. C. Sharma resume hig seat. the Delhi Administration that there Now, has the Prime Minister conclud should be no demonstrations within ed her statement? a distance of two miles from Parlia ment. In regard to this, the Home Shrimati Indira Gandhi: Yes, that is Minister wanted information and con all that I have to say. firmation of the steps that were being taken in regard to this matter. The Mr. Speaker: The statement to the Secretary took more than one month press by the Home Minister has rais before he gave that Information to ed many controversial issues. The the Home Minister. This was the Prime Minister in her statement has kind of non-co-operation he was simply stated that she would not like gettiner, rather obstruction. Then, on to say anything on that. In that case, too of it, he made it clear that he since some clarifications are being wantpH a chantro in the Secretary of demanded by others, I w ill have to his Ministry and he needed the akimit at least a calling attention support from’ the Prime Minister, but notice. he did not get it. What 1*^ more, the Home Ministry is supposed to be in Shri Ranga (Chittoor): We have to charge of the personnel question, be askecj to explain why wc think that appointment of various Secretaries. KARTIK A 19, 1868 (S A K A ) by Shri Nanda (A.M. &C.A.) 2498 Mr. Speaker: So far as the admissi the Prime Minister a i^ it is for that bility of the adjournment motion is Reason that the Cabinet Secretariat concerned, he cannot go into all these has come to be established in this details. country. The Cabinet Secretariat had failed in its duty in supporting the Shri Ranga: The admissibility of the Home Minister because it would not motion comes in this way. We are help the Home Minister to change assured that there is joint responsi even his own Secretary, not to speak bility of the Cabinet and the Prime of changing other Secretaries if and Minister is the head of the Cabinet. when the other Ministers want a When the Home Minister, who is next change. Therefore, the result has only to the Prime Minister, accord been . . . (Interruption). ing to their own order of priority, complains that he did not get that As a result of the failure repeatedly co-operation from the Prime Minister of the Prime Minister to sustain the and he asks for change of Secretary authority of the Home Minister, the and he did not get support from the Home Minister was not able to dis Prime Minister, when the Home Min charge his functions at the head of the ister, who is really in change of this Ministry, at the head also, as one who procedure that should be followed as is responsible for th© deployment of to which person should be the Sec Secretaries from one Ministry to an retary in which Ministry— if any one other and for proper behaviour. It of the Ministers were to be dissatisfied is for these reasons that i say, since with his Secretary and wants to have the Prime Minister holds her office a change of Secretary the proper only on the authority of the President person for him to go to is the Home and the Constitution which charges Minister to get his Secretary changed. the Prime Minister to maintain unity of the Ministry, joint responsibility— Mr. Speaker: Mr. Ranga should they expect cooperation and give to- realise . . . . operation—that this House has the right to discuss this serious failure on Shri Ranga: Bear with me. Sir. the part of the Prime Minister to sustain the authority of the Home Mr. Speaker: Mr. Ranga should Minister which has resulted in serious realise that these are the details as dislocation of the ministerial responsi to what are the procedures that are bility the activity of this Ministry and to be followed. also the unfortunate and regrettable events and incidents that had taken Shri Ranga: It is not that point. place the other day and in the sudden resignation of the Home Minister Mr. Speaker: This is not relevant about whom the Prime Minister her at this stage. self was prepared to say that he was a man of integrity, a man of hard Sliri Ranga: Should I not go into work, and that he was a loyal col the functions of the Home Minister league. Therefore, I request 3rou to as to what are the functions of the allow my adjournment motion to be Home Minister? Every one of these discussed in the House Ministers, each one of them, cannot ask for his Secretary to be changed to Shri Tyagi (Dehra Dun): On a point some other Ministry. No. He can of order, Sir. do it only through the Home Minister and the Home Minister is supposed Mr. Speaker: I have heard Mr. to be in-charge of all the Secretaries Ranga . . . as to how they should be deployed and so on. He can do it only with Shri A. K. Gopalan (Kesergod): I the support and the concurrence of have given a Call Attention notice.,., 2499 Resignation NOVEMBER 10, 1966 by Shri Nanda (A.M. & C.A.) 2$ 0q Shrl Tyatrl: Sir, with your i>€rmis- Mr. Speaker: I am not to advise how sion, I want to raise a point of order. it should be discussed. The Member should look into the rules and find Shrl A. K. Gopalan: I have given a out. Call Attention notice. An hon. Member: This is one of the Mr. Speaker: That is not being methods. taken up now . . . (Interruptions) Order, order. I am not going to Mr. Speaker: I am just dealing with hear all Members here and have a this. This is one of the methods. What regular debate on its admissibility. is being discussed is whether I can allow it or not. Shri S. M. Banerjee: A few Members may be allowed. Mr. Madhu Limaye (Interruptions). Mr. Speaker: I have heard one Several hon. Members—rose. leading Member and I w ill hear Mr. Mr. Speaker: I have got notices from Madhu Limaye ___ (Interruptions) Mr. Madhu Limaye, Dr. Ram Manohar Order, order. Lohia, Prof. Ranga, Mr. Kishen Patt- nayak, and Mr. Mani Ram Bagri. I Shrl R an ^: The leaders of the have called Prof. Ranga. That was a groups have the right . . . different notice. Now I am calling one from the other Group. Mr. Speaker: No. Shri A. K. Oopalan: I have given Shri Kaaga,: That is the usual pro notice . . . cedure. You may follow any pro cedure. The usual procedure is that. Mr. Speaker: Mr. Gk>palan, that is a different one altogether. That Sbri Dinen Bhattacharya (Seram- would be taken up afterwards, after pore): At every dak khana and at I have decided this. (Interruptions). every bus stop this is being discussed. And you cannot discuss the matter Shri Tyagi: Are they reqxiired to here in Parliament? Everywhere it put questions to the Prime Minister is being discussed. (Interruptions). or deliver speeches? That must be clarified. Mr. Speaker: Order. Shri Hariah Chandra Mathnr Shri Dinen Bhattacharya: ‘Order' (Jalore): This Chapter IX governs means what? giving of the notice of adjournment Mr. Speaker: ‘Order’ means that motion and all that. I do not see you should not speak. anywhere in this Chapter any pro vision for having this sort of dis Shri Hem Bama (Gauhati): May I cussion. It is for you certainly to de seek an information from you, Sir. cide whether you want to admit the motion or not; maybe, it is a very Mr. Speaker: No. good case for an adjournment motion to be admitted; it may be a question Shri Hem Barua: I want to seek an of public importance; so many im information from you only. The portant questions have been raised. sadhus demonstrating in front of the But I cannot visualise any discussion Plarliament Hou3e have steared out of the type which is going on, under Mr. Nanda and in his letter of resig this Chapter. It does not permit any nation, Mr. Nanda has raised a such discussion. (Interruptions) number of controversial points. Would you advise us, in your wisdom, to Mr. Speaker: Mr. Mathur would discuss the matter which has become realise that when the Speaker de a topic of discussion everywhere? sires som^ information on how^ It is ±S<>1 Resignation K A R T IK A 19, 1S88 iS A K A ) by Shri Nanda (A .M .S iC A .) 2$02 the failure of the Government, he can ask one or two members to explain that. That is all. The rules provide % ^ ^ »1+ri ^ 5ft f% sruR' and this has always been happening. Mr. Madhu Limaye. ^ ir^t Tc Shri U. M. Tfivedi (Mandsaur): rose— Mr. Speaker: Mr. Limaye is already on his legs. How can I allow an 'STRTT ^ I other member, if another member ^ ' n : w r I 1 stands up and interrupts him? Shri U. IVL Trivedi: M y point is ITT 2 I ^ if different. When I stand up, every body stands up. O f course, I am not disobejring you. 5R 7TT !TSrR ^ '?Jif «TT I Mr, Speaker: Let me hear Mr. Madhu Limaye first. *Ff wjx ^ ^ ^ % t iTTwr6 ?TPT ^ 9 k t ^ ^ 1" 7 4 ^ VhC I ^ I ^ 3RTR I : ^ I ‘There shall be a Council of Ministers with the Prime Minis m T ^ snm r^ if ter at the head to aid and advise iRT I ? I the President in the exercise of his functions.” fiT^t ^ ^ 75( 1) TpfT 5TTT?: I : t ^ ^ ^ vtR WfJ ^ ‘Th e Prime Minister shall be appointed by the President and the other Ministers shall be ap ^ I I pointed by the President on the ^ flTVTX ^ 'MH'fHdi ^ W«1WT JPTT !TTq ^ I asked my Secretary to let me. ^ I m ^ q^jnr i 3ft ^ t ^ f^ SR^ I : ‘The Council of Ministers shall be collectively responsible to the House of the Pec^le.” 2503 Resignation NOVEMBER 10, 1&66 by Shn Nanda (A.M . & C.A.) 250^ [«ft «lt t ^ I W t ‘ % H'Im ^ I ^ % I m f ; r ^ 1 t ^ ?IT ^PTF | I f^T^TRT ^ I vf\ im : t ^ W^TT : ?rrT 3fT ?R i I ^ f?TTr t t| I, ^ f^^TT t I ?n‘ “I had asked my Secretary to let me have the papers regarding wnr ^ n r i the instructions about processions not being permitted within a : 9mr ^ ? two-mile radius immediately after t»TT ^ I I the informal meeting of the t ?TCT c^rr^J T % ^ if ^HF^TT 5 I t| t ‘ fk^ I I f% t I «ft : ^TWTT ^ I :— ^ I t TO g I ‘Is it going to be suggested that the omissions of a Secretary, whom I had desired to change, should be foisted upon my head?” , sfV 'R^f?T*nf : ^ ^ ^ 'T? t ' iTTT I % 5fft O' ^ ^ ^ “He has taken one full month 5T S T R ^ I I ^ to discover that no instructions as stated by Patil do in fact exist.” ^ I I It *fTf ^ s p t ♦ ♦ ♦ ^ it V ?iniA : ♦♦♦ \ ^ inTTO % # «rtlT o 5TTof?T4TTt (»T>7T?nf^) : 3TPRT ^3TT^ f I : VI Not recorded. ^0^ Resignation KARTIKA 19, 1&88 iS A K A ) by Shri Nanda (A.M.&C.A.) 25O6 Mr. Speaker: These w ill not be re ¥ToT t«T H t f ^ r : carded. t q-f'T I ...... ( 5ffTt5fir) Shri Tyagi: W e oppose the adjourn Shri G. S. Pathak: Mr. Speaker, the ment motion. question of the appointment of a ^ I Minister cannot be discussed in this House . . . (Interruptions). There The Minister of Law (Shri G. S. fore, the President alone . . . (In Pathak): The question of the appoint terruptions) . ment of a Minister . . . (Interrup tions) ^ «nTnr«T : w tt t i o x m ( '^ m - I ^ ^ t^tt « ft ^ <<+)TT ^ ^rTffT 1 1 'TFT f w ^ I ^ W I I «rt »T*T ^ IT o ^ ^ t | I I m m t i I I ?r«a79T Tw^ ^ % qr I I ^ I I iT«*WT ^ 1 ^ f*P9rr ) : Shri G. C. Pathak: The question of %nix | i the appointment of a Minister cannot be discussed in this House .... wiaroT ; ’flTT # 5 I (Interruptions). The President alone has got the power to appoint . . . hO W cqrfH: (Interruptions ). m iT I I fV 5 H ’TSfTTHV : (fSTC^ro) ^TT tTcp ?rnj m ix | i ?T«!IW : t ^ ^fd ^ 1 t I U**Wf ^ ^ I ftn w : ^ ^irtT m ^ ^ t I fTTPT- ijw m ^f^hni : zTir ^ Shri G. S. Pathak: The question of I I t ^ ^ the appointment of a Minister or of his ?rrtT ^ ^ I resignation cannot be discussed in this House for the reason . . . (Inter : 356 % ruptions) . ira ?rrTJ m i T | i nmror ^ itt ? w s m s (m ^ : ^ tSf I WcifhTR ^ I 'TT f«W 9r^T ^>fTT ift ^ ^ I I (Interruptions ). ^507 Resignation NOVEMBER 10, 1966 by Shri Nanda (A.M. & C.A,) 2508 Shri G. 8. Pathak: The power of ap pointment . . . (Interruptions). who has resigned the office of Mr. Speaker: I f the House does not Minister may with the consent of the allow me to function, I w ill have to Speaker, make a personal statement adjourn it, I have no option. (Inetr- . . . (Interruptions). ruptions). Mr. Speaker: I know that. T IW IH WTW ^ Shri G. N. Dixit: I refer you to sub rule (4) of rule 199 which says; i I “there shall be no debate on such sta tement ...... (Interruptions). Mr. Speaker: That is different thing Mr. Speaker: I am not allowed to altogther. function. I adjourn the House for half an hour. Shri G. N. Dixit: The relevance of 12.33 hrs. this rule is this. That something which is said outside cannot partake The Lok Sahha then adjourned till of a character of force, or authority, two minutes past Thirteen of the of what is permissible under the rules Clock. . here. That is one thing. Therefore, a debate is not permissible, under the The Lok Sahha re-assembled at two rules, on the statement which has been minutes past thirteen of the Clock. made 'by the resigning Minister. [M r . S p e a k e r in the Chair] Therefore, the Adjournment Motion, if it is consented to, wiQ amount to RE-MOTIONS FOR ADJOURNMENT a debate in this House. AND CALLING ATTENTION NOTICES-Contd. Then, my second point for your con R e s i g n a t i o n b y S h r i N a n d a a s M i n i s sideration is that under the Consti t e r OF H o m e A f f a ir s — c o n td . tution, a Minister remains under the pleasure of the President. The Minis Shri G. N. Dixit (Etawah): Sir, I ter functions at the pleasure of the want to say about the admissibility of President. These are the words of the motion for . . . the Constitution. Pleasure is some Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The thing which is the personal opinion of tempers must have cooled down. I the President which is not to be de must repeat what I have been saying bated or considered anywhere else. again and again though I have been (Interruption) And then, President’s unable to enforce it. Unless I iden pleasure is always on the advice of tify a Member, he shall not begin to the Prime Minister and therefore it is speak, whether he is on this B ide or the Prime Minister’s right to have one on that side. I w ill have to take ac Minister or the other Minister. So, tion whether he belongs to the Cong this Adjournment Motion is absolu ress or to other side; that would not tely irrelevant. matter. A Member can stand in his place and attract my attention by say Mr. Speaker: I have followed him. ing “Mr. Speaker” or something, but That is not the question, and that rule not beyond that. Mr. Dixit. is not so relevant here. If he had Shri G. N. Dixit: I want to wraw made a statement here inside the your attention to rule 199 which is House, then this rule would have relevant to the present situation. You applied and there ought not to be a could see that under rule 199, a re debate. Now, the Minister has taken signing Minister has got an opper- another course and issued a state tunity to make a statement in this ment; therefore, that is different from House, and it is said that a Member this. Resignation KARTIKA 19, 1&88 iS A K A ) hy Shri Nanda (A .M .& C .A .) 251O The only two points that have been Shri Bagrri rose— raised are these: one is that the Minis ter did not get the co-operation from Mr. Speaker: Order, order. I can the Prime Minister or his colleagues. not allow him. I will have to ask That was one thing. The argument him to go out. was that he was not getting assistance from his secretariat. He wanted his Shrimati Indira Gandhi; Sir, I am Secretary to be removed and that wa'!? very sorry that Nandaji has the im not done; therefore he is not respon pression that I was not givmg my sible for what has happened. The.^c fullest co-operation to him. I can are the two main points. assure the House that I tried to give the utmost co-operation and to the best of my ability. It can be that 1 An hon. Member: Joint responsi- did not agree with some of the things bility. which he wanted and which I had to look at from a larger perspective. Mr. Speaker: Yes; he did not get co-operation of his colleagues; that is Shri Aanga: Eveji regaiding the joint responsibility. Secretary? Shrimati Indira Gandhi: One of the fnifir : ?fVTO things which I wanted to say is this. It has been taken for granted here in the House and perhaps also by Nanda TO W ^TTif?T- ji that X accepted hig resignation be cause of the happenings on that par ticular day in Delhi. This is not so. It is not at all my intention to lay the blame for what has happened on Nandaji’s shoulders, ilnterruptions). 3ft ^ ^ t Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Let the Prime Minister be heard. Shrimati Indira Gandhi: The res I ^ftr ^qrr ^ ? ponsibility, as I said in my speech the other day, Sir, is one which is iro xm shared by all of us here; not only the TT »T^TT Government but the Opposition and ^ ^9T t frr many people outside who have been creating an atmosphere which has led q tr T m I upto the events which have taken frjT 3TtjR ^ ^ place here and in other parts of the country. We cannot run away from tt| ^ fsRif ^?rrt that fact; no matter how much shout t 5Tft I ing there is, that fact remains. (In terruptions). As far as the appoint Some hon. Members rose— ment of the Secretary is concerned, that is a departmental affair. There Mr. Speaker: Order, order. If they is a special Appointments Committee speak while I am on my legs, I can of the Cabinet which goes into this not understand that. Now, I would matter. (Interruptions ). like to have answer to these questions Mr. Speaker: No more debate on that have been raised here. I would that. There is collective responsi like to know what the Prime Minister bility of the Government, no doubt. has to say about them, the specific (Interruptions). Order, order. I am points hat have been raised. 2^11 Resignation K A R T IK A 19, 1868 iS A K A ) hy Shri Nanda (A.M.&C.A.) 2512 [Mr. Speaker] not concerned with anything which Shri A. K. Gopalan: I have given a is not in the motion that is before Calling Attention Notice. me. Therefore, i am not concerned with the question whether all should Mr. Speaker: I have admitted them. have resigned or not and so on. (.In Why should he raise it now? terruption). There are two other things besides collective responsibility. Shri Nambiar (Tiruchirapalli): It One is, the Secretary was not giving will not be possible to have a discus the assistance that the Minister desir sion. The Calling Attention Notice ed Or the Minister was entitled to. If will be answered and each Member that was the case, and if it had been whi'o has sent the notice w ill be happening for a long time, then it entitled to put a question, but the was for the Minister to take action, matter cannot be discussed. So, be either to go out himself or— cause it is a serious subject— Mr. Speaker: I am not responsible. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Why Now, Shri Gopalan might put a ques should he? tion,. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. It is for Sliri A. K. Gopalan: I want answers the iiMinister to see how he could to all the points I have raised in my continue for a day when the Secre calling attention notice. In his state tary was not co-operating with him. ment, the Home Minister has said; That cannot be a subject for the “There is serious discontentment Adjournment Motion, the attitude or in the country as a result of lack the conduct of the Secretary. So far of integrity at various levels of ag the Prime Minister ig concerned, administration” . it is alleged in the statement appear ing in the press that the Prime Then he has referred to rising prices, Minister did not give that co-opera food scarcity, inequitable distribution, tion that be was entitled to. The etc. This is a very important matter. Prime Minister has made a categorical statement now that she has been Mr. Speaker: The hon. member must giving— realise that this is not a debate at this moment. For a debate, there are Shri Hari Vkshnu Kamath; Who is other means and he might take re to be believed? Who is right and course to them. who is wrong? (Interruption). Shri A. K. Gopalan: I want an answer from the Prime Minister on Mr. Speaker: When the facts are these points. Mr. Nanda says that as not admitted or established, then the far as policies are concerned, it is Adjournment Motions cannot find a not the Minister who makes the place. policy, but it is the Secretary who makes it. Shri S. M. Banerjee; Appoint a Committee. Mr. Speaker: The Secretary’s con duct cannot be discussed here. Here Mr. Speaker: I have some discre the Minister would be held responsi ble, not the Secretary. tion. I w ill admit the Calling Atten tion Notices that have been given, including the names of those who Shri A. K. Gopalan: Mr. Nanda has have given notice of Adjournment been aspiring for Prime Ministership in this country. He says there is lack Motions. 2513 Resignation NOVEMBER 10, 1966 by Shri Nanda (A.M. & C.A.) 2514 a£ integrity at various levels of was responsible for setting up Vigi administration. This is not a simple lance Officers. We are not changing matter. that. (Interruptions ). Mr. Speaker: He wants to know Shri Nambiar: It is to the country’s whether it is a fact? ad{vantage that Mr. Nanda has left and I welcome it. It was he who Shri A. K. Gopalan: Yes, Sir. I also locked up thousands of communists in want to know whether as Mr. Nanda jail. It is very good he is gone. said, it is the Secretaries who decide After his quitting, may we know the policies or it is the Ministers who whether this Secretary who is res decide it. ponsible for the happenings and shoot ings on that particular day, w ill be Mr. Speaker; Policy may be decided sent out of the Home Ministry and by anybody. The Government is res the country w ill be saved from such ponsible here for the policy. people? Shrimati Indira Gandhi: You are Mr. Speaker: That cannot be quite right, Sir. It is the Minister’s answered. It is not the removal or responsibility as to what policy is followed. Who decides the policy in keeping in service of any servant that a particular ministry, it is the Minis is to be decided here. ter’s responsibility surely. Shri Warior (Trichur): In view of Shri A. K. Gopalan: That means the points of dispute raised by what Nandaji said is a lie. Nandaji in his statement, may I know whether the Prime Minister is institut Shrimati Indira Gandhi: It is not a ing any enquiry into the serious question of lie. It is for the Minister charges he has levelled against the to support whatever suggestions are Secretary and Secretariat and others, made by Secretaries or not to support and if not, why not? them and tell them that he wishes to follow another direction. Shrimati Indira Gandhi: I do not think there is a case for enquiry. But Dr. Ranen Sen (Calcutta East): Mr. I shall certainly look into the points Nanda wanted Mr. L. P. Singh’s he has raised. removal. You did not give him any support. Shri Vasadevan Nair (Ambala- puzha): The Secretary is under a Shri A. K. Gopalan: Did the Prime shadow following the statement by Minister support him in his policy? the Home Minister. There are many reports circulating about this officer Shrimati Indira Gandhi: I am sorry that he is connected with foreign I do not know what matters of policy agencies and so on. The Home Min are referred to here. The matter ister wanted to remove him. I which was referred to in the letter should like to know whether this was with regard to the change of issue was brought to her attention Secretary. (Interruptions). Mr. Gopa or to the attention of the Cabinet or lan has asked a specific question the sub-committee she referred to, regarding integrity at different at any time, if so at what time it levels of Government’s working. It was brought and whether that sub is not possible to give a categorical committee considered this problem answer. There are cases when there and refused to accede to the request is not, and the House knows that we of the Home Minister; and if so, go into those cases. Nandaji himself why? 25lk5 Resignation NOVEMBER 10, 1S|66 by Shri Nanda (A.M. & C.A.) 2516 Mr. Speaker: Can I ask her to : m m disclose what happened inside the Cabinet? >ift ^ f f ; Shri Vasndevan Nalr: This is a “The Secretary has taken one very serious matter. full month to discover that no instructions as stated by Patil do Shrlmatl Indira Gandhi: The Home in fact exist. Is it •. going to Minister did ask for the removal of be suggested that the omissions his Secretary. But as I said earlier, of a Secretary, whom I had many Ministers are asking for either desired to change, should be the appointment or the removal of foisted upon my head?” a particular Secretary. ^ sfJR W ^ wm ^ fop q fr q -^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^rr hiHi 'ji tfto TT MdT ^ I ^ 5FTT ?rnr ^ I «TT T^V I qrf^ irr^ ^ ^ I T?: 'T?% ^5TT I I TJJi *sft % : ¥T 0 nrr Jpft?TT ^ ^5iTT STrfV^ | I ^ 'TfTtT^ ^ 3T^rn: % % fs T R fV s t s t t t TTo TW : ^ff^FT % % ^ I ^ ^ ^ % y^*TT7 JTtJH ?n% ^ ^I5H STETR ^ ^ ^ TT ?rr T^iTT, ’5PT% far#^ ?fhc ^ ^ ^ \ t I ^ 3H% *1T ^ f^fTRT %9T ^ W i ^ 5T^R T t^ %Tf^ ift f ® 5T^T ?T t p w r : t m ^ ^ TTf^TT i\ ^ ^ srerrr ^ 5ft, ^ ^ ^ 5fTP^> f I ^ f^oT «TT f% ?rrqr ?fh: ^ jRengnation KARTIKA 19, l»a8 (S A K A ) by Shri Nanda (A.M. &C.A.) 251 ^ HTlY spT, +lafl»il ^ ^ ^ I 5TSTR ^ f ^ 'f % % f e l R f ^ ^• qfT I ?t Vt 3»T% *Tl ITo TT»r IRtl^THtffWT : f ^ f ?r 5rrqr?r t ^Pt ?TT^%r fsn^TRV I ^ ^FIT ^fj*T % qr ^T-jR Jt^'Y m WWTW »rptlTT : ir^TT^ ? 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(f ^ q r 1^ ^iT % Tt^ 3ft ?ft7T >sft 7T=^ % dr«l ^ f^jpT^ ^ vijT^i I ^TWtqr % ?TT^ qr ^f q?T t *Tr>T ^ ^X \ ^ft ;jjm sTT irlr^rHv^ ^ T ^ ir ^ i t T t srf?T ^ »jt ?rr^ 2r 5?^ 5T5r9f?r ^r 9TTfiT?r i r f t t f 'T ^ 'V I ^ ^ \ ^^TFTfTT^ =5ftT? ^ ^ 1 qrt I ?rtT ^ fqiT *sft -t J % ^Tmr P, If rJrqT 3ft 3ft 'T'T<.« «nWHt %Tt^TJ TTftrV : ^ [’^ T R ^ f t t I ^ . . . ^ ^ ^ ^ •T f% ^ ‘mmTI ^ q«p m^rfhi ^ ^rm 1 ?T>T ^ ^ I f*TT ^ ^ 3F> «fV»rft ? fr^ T »TtvV : 5TT^?T flTRT f I qr q-^ ^ T t f % ^r«r ^ ^ ^f ?T^ t 5ifK ^ ^'V % ^TSiT ^ 1 1 Wnift : WTT ^ > T )T ?rr^ ^ «(§^ 'TZTTTT ^ If I, ^ ^ ^ 1 T?[^ ^ ^ T I ^ f^wV ^RT q'Jijvid ^ ^TTT^ ^ ^9T ¥ t ^iFRTT % *T?T ^ 'TT ^ I 'd’^*f>l *1*- It consists of the Prime Minister, the says that the Speaker can, if he ^ is Home Minister and the concerned satisfied about the urgency of the Minister. matter, allow a question of privilege to be raised at any time during the course of a sitting after the disposal of question. That is why I want to raise this point of order. The consi deration for not making this state % fern?) t 1 1 ?RT?r ment in the House might have been f I it ^'Tf^RT not to face the House. I f he wanted ^ I, W ?T5|e?rT fTI^T ^T?TTto make a statement, he should have had the guts to come before the I ;»rrfV House and make this very statement, t I ^ I ^?T ^ T T t the written statement which was % 5ft ^Ttn- # ^ f{ published in the press. He ought to have made it here in the House so «r, ^3fRT> f ^ T that we could have heard it from his TTJTT q ^1^ ^ ? ? mouth. sf^ sflf ^ ^ I I Shri u. M. Trivedi: I rise on a point of order. I Mr. Speaker: Under what rule? There is no point of order. It is a special privilege given to the Minis Shri U. M. Trivedi: Under the ter that he can make a statement provisions of rule 199 of the Rules of here, inside the House. By that his Procedure. The statement of Shri other rights are not restricted. Whe Nanda has been published in the ther it is proper for him to make a press. A member who resigns from statement outside or not, it is for him the Ministry is entitled to make a to decide. Therefore, there Is no statement only inside the House. He breach of privilege. I have received might make a written statement and notice of a breach of privilege from if he makes such a statement then, Shri K . D. Malaviya. T will take it of course, the Prime Minister can up at the end. Now, Papers to be laid make a reply. Here the privilege on the Table. Shri Sachindra Chau- arises in this way. Can a member of dhuri. this House give to the press a state ment which he is entitled to make Shrimatl Vimla Devi CElura): Sir, only in the House? W ill it not amount I want to submit.... to a breach o f privilege? Mr. speaker: She can write to me. Here I want to say this. Ordina I will look into it. She cannot inter rily I would be entitled to raise this rupt the proceedings in this manner. question after having given notice to the Speaker of my desire to raise Shrimati Vimla Devi: I only want such a question of privilege. But now ed to submit.... discussion has taken place here and questions have been asked. i will draw your attention to th© provi Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Shri sions of the proviso to rule 225 which Sachindra Chaudhuri. 2523 Papers laid NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Papers laid 2524 13.40 brs. in Library. See No. LT-7278/ 66]. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE (4) A copy of the Emergency A n n u a l R e p o r t o p t h e I n d u s t r i a l Risks (Factories) Insurance F i n a n c e C o r p o r a t i o n (Third Amendment) Scheme, 1966, published in Notifica The Minister of Finance (Shri Sa- tion No. S.O. 2841 in Ga ohindra Chandhuri): I beg to lay on zette of India dated the 22nd the Table a copy of the Anual Report September, 1966, under sub of the Industrial Finance Corporation section (7) of section 3 of the of India for the year ended the 30th Emergency Risks (Factories) June, 1966, eilong with the statemeni Act, 1962. [Placed in Library. showing the Assets and Liabilities and See No. LT-7279/66]. Profit and Loss account of the Corpo ration, under sub-section (3) of sec (5) A copy each of the following tion 35 of the Industrial Finance Notifications under section 159 Corporation Act, 1948. of the Customs Act, 1962: — P u B u c D e b t ( A n n u i t y D e p o s it (i) S.O. 3262 published in CERTIFICATfcS) RULES, ETC. Gazette of India dated the 26th October, 1966. The Minister of State in th« Minis try of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhaffat>: (ii) G..S.R. 1656 publlslied in I beg to lay on the Table; — Gazette of India dated the 29th October, 1966. (1) A copy of the Public Debt (Annuity Deposit Certificates) (iii) G .S .R . 1657 published in Rules, 1966, published in Gazette of India dated the Notification No. G .S .R . 1563 29th October, 1966. in Gazette of India dated the 8th Octt)ber, 1966, under sub (iv ) G.S.R. 1658 published section (3) of section 28 of in Gazette of India dated the Public Debt Act, 1944. the 29th October, 1966. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-7276/66]. (v ) G .S .R . 1659 published in Gazette of India dated the (2) A copy of Notification 29th October, 1966. No. S.O. 2721 published in Gazette of India dated the (v i) G .S .R . 1660 published in 17th September, 1966 making Gazette of India dated the certain amendment to Notifi 29th October, 1966. cation No. S.O. 2072 dated the 22nd July, 1963, under (v ii) G .S .R . 1691 published in section 20 of the Emergency Gazette of India dated the Risks (Factories) Insurance 5th November, 1966. Act, 1962. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-7277/66]. (v iii) G .S .R . 1692 published in Gazette of India dated the (3) A copy of the Emergency 5th November, 1966. [Plac Risks (Goods) Insurance ed in Library. See No. LT- (Third Amendment) Scheme, 7280/66]. 1966, published in Notifica- cation No. S.O. 2840 in Ga (6) A copy each of the follow zette of India dated the 22nd ing Notifications under sec September. 1966, under sub tion 159 of the Customs Act, section ( 6) of section 5 of the 1962 and section 38 of the Emergency Risks ((3oods) Central Excises and Salt Act, (Insurance Act, 1962. [Placed 1944:— 2525 Papers laid K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) Papers laid 2526 (i) The Customs and Central Planning (Dr Sushlla Nayar): I beg Excise Duties Export Draw to lay On the Table a copy of the back (General) Ninety- Kerala Muncipal Corporation (Excep fifth Amendment Rules, tions to Dsiqualification of Council 1966, published in Notifica lors) Rules, 1966, published in Notifi tion No. G .S .R . 1661 in cation S.R.O . No. 377/66 in Kerala Gazette of India dated the Gazette dated the 4th October, 1966, 29th October, 1966. *nder sub-section (5) of section 367 (ii) The Customs and Central of the Kerala Municipal Corporations Excise Duties Export Draw Act, 1961, read with clause (c) (iv ) back (General) Ninety-sixth of the Proclamation dated the 24th Amendment Rules, 1966 March, 1965, issued by the Vice-Pre published in Notification sident, discharging the functions of No. G.S.R. 1662 in Gazette the President, in relation to the State of India dated the 29th of Kerala. [Placed in Library, See No. October, 1966. LT-7283/66] (ii) The Customs and Central N a v a l O rn c E R s R e t ir e d L i s t ( L i a b i Excise Duties Export Draw l i t y TO R e c a l l roR S e r v ic e ) back (General) Ninety- R e g u l a t io n s seventh Amendment Rules, 1966, published in Notifica 4Tie Minister o f State in the Minis tion No. G .S .R . 1663 in try Of Defence (Shrl A. M. Thomas): Gazette of India dated the I beg to lay on the Table a copy of 29th October, 1966. the Naval Officers on the Retired (iv ) The Customs and Central List (LiabiMty to Recall for Service) Excise Duties Export Regulations, 1966, published in Noti Drawback (General) Nine fication No. S.R.O . 229 in Gazette of ty-eighth Amendment Rule.s India dated the 8th October, 1966, 1966, published in Notifica under section 185 of the Navy Act, tion’ No. G.S.R. 1664 in 1957. fPlfl’-Pd in Library. See No. Gazette of India dated the LT-7284/661 29th October. 1966. [Placed A n n u a l R e p o r t o f t h e L i f e I n s u r a n c e in Library. See No. LT- C o r p o r a t io n o r I n d i a 7281/661 The Deputy Minister in the Minis (7) A copy of Notification S.R.O. try o f Finance (Shrl L. N. Mishra>: No. 390/66 published in I beg to lay on the Table a copy of Kerala Gazette dated the the Annual Report of the Life Insur 11th October, 1966, making ance Corporation of India for the certain amendment to the year ended 31st March. 1966, along Kerala General Sales Tax with the Audited Accounts, under Rules, 1963, under .sub-section section 29 of the Life Insurance Cor (3) of section 57 of the poration Act. 1956. [Placed in Libr Kerala General Sales Tax ary. See No. LT-7285/661. Act, 1963, read with clause (c) (iv ) of the Proclama N otification u n d e r E s s e n t ia l tion dated the 24th March, C o m m o d i t i e s A c t 1965, i.ssued by the Vice the Deputy Minister in the Minis President, discharging the try of Commerce (Shrl Shafl Qnre- functions of the President, in shi): I beg to lay on the Table:— relation to the State of (1) A copy each of the following Kerala. [Placed in Library Notifications under sub-sec See No. I.T-7282/661. tion 6 of section 3 of the Kerala Municipal Corporations (Ex Essential Commodities Act, c e p tio n s TO D lSQ U A U m C A T IO N OP 1955: C 0lTNCrLT,0RS) R uLF S (i) The Textile Machinery The Minister of Health and Family (Production and Distribu- 1966 (A i) LSD—7. 2527 B. O. H. NOVEMBER 10, 1966 B. O. H. 2528 [Shri Shafl Qureshi] tion) Control (Amendment) during the week commencing 14th Order, 1966, published in November, 1966 w ill consist of; Notification No. S.O . 2637 ( 1 ) Consideration of any item in Gazette of India dated of Government Business car the 3rd September, 1966. ried over from today’s Order (ii) The Textiles (Production Paper. by Knitting, Embroidery, (2) Consideration and pMsing of Lace Making and printing the Jawaharlal Nehru Uni machines) Control (Amend versity Bill, 1965, as passed ment) Order, 1966, pub by Rajya Sabha. lished in Notification No. 5 .0 . 2638 in Gazette of (3) Discusion and voting on; India dated the 3rd Sep (a) Supplementary Demands tember, 1966. for Grants (Railways) for (iii) The Cotton Textiles (Ex 1966-67. port Control) (Amend ment) Order, 1966, publi (b) Demands for Excess Grants shed in Notification No. (Railways) for 1963-64. 5 .0 . 2640 in Gazette of (c) Supplementary Demands India dated the 3rd Sep for Grants (Kerala) for tember, 1966. [Placed in 1966-67. Library. See No. LT-7286/ 66] (d) Demands for Excess Grants (Kerala) for 1962 (2) A copy of the Cardamom 63 and 1963-64. (Amendment) Rules, 1966, Published in Notification No. (e ) Supplementary Demands G .S .R . 1510 in Gazette of for Grants (General) for India dated the 1st October, 1966-67. 1966, under sub-section (3) of section 33 of the Carda (f ) Demands for Excess mom Act, 1965. [Placed in Grants (General) for 1963 Library, See No. LT-7287/ 64. 66]. (4) Consideration and passing of: The Preventive Detention (Continuance) Bill, 1966. 13.42 hrs. The Produce Cess (Amend DEMANDS FOR SUPPLEMENTARY ment) Bill, 1966. GRANTS (GENERAL), 1966-67 The PoMce Forces (Restric The Minister of Finance (Shri Sa- tion of Rights) Bill, 1966, as chlndra Chaudhuri): I beg to pre passed by Rajya Sabha. sent a statement showing Supple (5) Further consideration of the mentary Demands for Grants in res First Report of the Central pect of the Budget (General) for Vigilance Commission on 1966-67. Thursday, the 17th Novem ber, 1966, at 4 P .M . 13.42-1|4 hrs. Shri Rangra (Chittoor): As you BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE know, a part of the country, Andhra The Minister of Parliamentary Pradesh, is very much exercised Affairs ana Communications (Shri over the statement made by the Satya Narayan Sinha): With your per Government in regard to the Vizag mission, Sir, I rise to announce that steel plant. A number of no-day- Government Business in this House yet-named motions have been given 2529 B. O. H. K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) B. O. H. 2530 notice of and the Business Advisory Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): Committee has already included it in Among the no-day-yet-named mo the list. May I suggest that it tions, there were three or four very should be given precedence and taken important ones. I do not find any up next week so that we can have of them for discussion during next a regular discussion of two and a week. I would request you, and half hours? In Andhra, as you know, through you the Minister, to allow even after the statement was made by discussion at the earliest opportunity the Government.... On student unrest, to be initiated on the statement given by the Minister. Mr. Speaker: He has explained it. Then, there is another motion on the food situation in the country. Third Shri Ranga: I would like it to be ly, I have tabled a motion today.. taken up. Mr. Speaker: I f he has tabled it ' Shrimati Vimla Devi (Eluru): I only today, how can he ask for dis want this subject to be given priority cussion now? It has first to be ad and taken up immediately. mitted. Then, it should go to the Committee. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath (Hosh- Shri S. M. Banerjee: angabad): By your leave, I would I do not want like to raise one point and one only, my motion to be taken up. I want and that arises out of what you said Government to initiate a discussion on this occasion last week. When I on the serious situation arising out of raised the issue, the vital issue, the Nanda’s resignation. constitutional issue of the desirabili Shri Warior (Trichur): I have ty and necessity of the Demands for only to repeat my request that the Grant.s on account of Rajya Sabha Patents Bill should be taken up. being discussed by the three-man committee of this House, you made a request, and it is on record. . Mr. Speaker: That has been mentioned many times. Repetition is Mr. Speaker: I have said that it not necessary. is being pursued. Shri Warier: I am repeating so Shri Hart Vlshmi Kamath: I am that it may come, if not next week, not asking him to make a statement at least the week after, in this ses here and now. But he owes it to sion itself. the House to tell us whether he heeded your advice or instruction, Mr. Speaker: That guarantee he whether he is acting on it, or has has given, that he will not allow it thrown it to be winds, as Ministers to lapse. sometimes do. Mr. Speaker: I will ask him, ?T-:TTeff ITffRV, ^^ fft ^ f ITITcT ^ ?TT T 1[T I I t ^ ^ ^ % f?rn ^ ! «rr ^ ^ ^ \ ^ ^ it % I ^ ^ ^ ^ w ’TT I I »5 3 i B. O. H. NOVEMBER 10, 1966 B. O. H. 2532 finished on th« Report of the L.I.C. In this discussion, the Minister of ^ % I State in-charge in the Ministry of Finance was on his legs and then he vQpvm ( ^ ? t) : had to proceed to Manila and could if, ift ^rn^TTv not conclude his speech. 4»1^dRi|i ^JTft ^ ?rr^ ^ ^frfjiFT I ? Mr. Spealcer: That is for the Minis ter to reply. ^Ff VSpTW ’ ^ Dr. L, M. Singrhvl: There is ano Tm \ f% q r ^ I ther submission which I would Hke to make and that is to make as forci ble a plea as I can make to allot M ® T O ■ ^TTT ^>T I sometime for the discussion of the Interim Report of the Administrative srVTSrftr 5TR^ (f^ ^ 'V r ) : Reforms Commission for the estab ?T5^T^ ^ ^ lishment of Lok Pal and Lok Ayukt. ^ ?rWrT Shri Harish Chandra Mathur ^ Ift-TWT #: ’T^^ET it rr^ wrfjm (Jalore): As regards the No-Date- ^ s r ? ^ ^T ?:^>frTT ^ f^^TT% 1 Yet-Named motions which have been admitted, I wish that their priority is t % '^rrr ^ «rft indicated now as to which of the H^^/lciT ^ ■'^l^'il Q f^ motions are being discussed say, one, sr^r^ ^T Tt ^ I two, three and so on. and if they are not evenly distributed from now on, 7 ^'t ^rf^riT ^ '4t, ^^T% I think, so^me of them will have to ^FTTur iT^^nx 5T7^ ^T 27T n f I be pushed out. So. two hours or whatever the legitimate time is, as 20 ^ ^ ^ mr ?rra you decide that it should be on every ST7^ ^ SFTT f'?JT ^TRTOT ir^9H Wednesday, that should be restored ^ t I ITTT % TTTfc-znT and that should be put down. ^ fjT#^ I ?rq^ ?T'^f Another point which I want to !T?tfTor TT f^ ^ T2 TTf% ^F^T, fsRT^ make is about the discussion on the . External Affairs Minister’s motion re ^ f?JT 'T nrrrtv(\i: %rj fm ^ ^ garding the international situation. I You will recollect, Sir, that even in the last session, we wanted this to Dr. L. M. sinfhyl (Jodhpur); It be discussed. I had given a notice is salutary that the principle of con and then the Minister himself gave cluding a part of the discussion has notice and my notice was not admit been accepted and it is on this prin ted. A ll the time we hoped that that ciple that I assume that the Central would be discussed. It was discussed Vigilance Commission’s Report is go in the Rajya Sabha. It has never hap ing to be discussed. There ;is a simi pened in the history of this Parlia lar discussion which remains un ment that a debate on international B. O. H. K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A ltA ) B. 0. H. ^533 2 5 ^ affairs has taken place in that House and this House has been denied an opportunity. At the( present moment, ^'t ^ car «fir i there are very crucial things which About the Interim Report of the have happened in the international Administrative Reforms Commission, field. Here is President Johnson as I said last time, it has been sent to who had a meeting at Manila; the State Governments and we arts here is a meeting of the Asian awaiting their comments. countries in Moscow and here is a Tripartite meeting in India Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: That is and here is a policy of non-prolifera different. There should be a discus tion and there is China’s explosion of sion here. the guided missiles. These are im Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: We are portant issues which are very much awaiting that. exercising the minds of us all and which are being discussed all over Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: That will the world. We must get an opportu not come till the next year. nity to discuss these matters. Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: I do not Shri Saiya Narayan Slnha: About know that. About Vizag steel plant the debate on international situation, whatever I have said about No-Date- as pointed out by Mr. Mathur, we Yet-Named motions, that applies to must discuss it. But the Minister this also because that is also in the will be away from India perhaps form of No-Date-Yet-Named motion. between 18th and 24th. So, I pro We will consider it and try to accom pose to have this discussion towards modate it. I cannot promise more than the end of the session in the last one. (Interruption). week when he will be available. We have put it on the agenda and we will discuss it. There is no doubt ^ ^JTT I about it. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: I had About the students unrest and all referred to the request rather the that, there are several No-Date-Yet- directive you gave last week, on Named motions. I have not got the Friday, with respect to the demands list of all these motions here. A ll that for grants of Rajya Sabha to be scru I can promise is that we w ill take up tinised by the three-man committee one No-Date-Yet-Named motion every here. The hon. Speaker said last week week. Now, about the priority, there that it is upto the leader, and that the are so many motions on students un leader should take the initiative and rest, food and other things, we will consult the members of his party in certainly include one in every week the other House. May I read out that from the record? He wia not atten Shrl Vasudevan Nalr (Ambala- tive perhaps. puzha): So, next week there will be one. Mr. Speaker: He is the leader here Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: Certain, and also he is the leader of the party ly, there w ill be one every week in and, therefore, I had requested him to spite of the fact that we are pressed take it up. for time. As to next week or after next week, I cannot promise that. I Shri Satya Narayan Slnha: There Is say, every week we shall take up one always contusion. There are two such motion. leaders in both the Houses. I thought, because the matter related to the Rajya Sabha ---- ? Mr. Speaker: You may just conault. 2535 Correction NOVEMBER 10, 1966 of Answer 2536 Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: I would four times, many times, during tix? just consult. Honestly, I thought that last session but nothing has happened. it related to him, that is, Mr. Chagla. Mr. Speaker: I will ask the Minis Shri Hari Vishna Kamath: Now you ters if there is delay. take It up. » ^ , Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Unless Shri Satya Narayan Sinha: I shall you are satisfied. take it up. Sliri B. B. Bhagat: The statement itself will explain it. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: The statement cannot explain. You must give reasons. I have got a copy of the Rirr f, statement. ^ r r ^ if I Shri B. R. Bhagat: Regarding the ^ ;5vr^frr ^ ?rV reply given to part (a) of the Starred ?ft t I Question No. 249 answered in the Lok Sabha on 4th August 1966,1 would «rt WT to any of them and whether it is a Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Very correct statement or any mistake has often it happens. He should be ash crept in and if they find that there amed of it. is a mistake, it should be corrected immediately because under our Direc tions, it is required that the correc tion should be made as early as possi 13.57 hrs. ble, rather within 24 hours. STATEMENTRE. BOKARO STEEL PROJECT Shri B. R. jBhagrat: In this case, the Reserve Bank gave a figure of 30,000; Mr. Speaker: Mr. T. N. Singh to they had given a figure which they make a statement regarding proposals themselves had arrived at; in the for cost reduction of Bokaro Steel accounting, there was unfortunately Project. a mistake; £15,000 was doubled up; they rea ised their mistake later on The Deputy Minister in the Minis that they had given a wrong informa try of Iron and Steel (Shri P. C. Sethi): tion and they informed us that the While accepting the Detailed Project information was wrong and it should Report for the Bokaro Steel P ’ant be corrected. prepared by the Soviet Design and Consultancy Organizations, the Gov Shri Hari Vislinu Kamath: Is the ernment of India decided that the House to understand that the Minis Soviet agencies should be requested ter is not responsible for banks and to consider any concrete technical other matters connected therewith? suggestions aimed at reducing the The Manager of the Reserve Bank cost of the project which may be made cannot be calledi here and asked to to them by the Indian side within explain; it is the Minister who ought three months of the date of the for to explain it. Instead of expressing mal signing of the Memorandum of regret for the delay, why is he in Acceptance. A suitable provision was dulging in this rigmarole? accordingly included in the Memo randum of Acceptance which was Shri B. R. Bhaffat: It is not a signed by Bokaro Steel Limited on rigmarole; it is a fact. 29-3-1966. Mr. Speaker: He says that the mis Messrs M. N. Dastur & Co., General take was discovered by the Bank very Consultants to the Ministry of Iron late and as soon as they conveyed that and Steel, were requested to draw mistake after the discovery to the up technical suggestions which could Minister, he has come forward with be presented to the Soviet agencies. the correction. Certain other suggestions were also forwarded by Bokaro Steel direct at Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Is the Government’s instance. In order to Reserve Bank which is the apex of expedite agreement within the stipu all banks, which controls al’ the banks lated period, i.e. by the end of June in the country, not supposed to set an 1966, a delegation headed by the th’en example of efficiency to other banks? Secretary, Iron & Steel, and includ Mr. Speaker: That is a different ing representatives of Messrs M. N. Dastur & Co. and Bokaro Steel Limit thing. ed went to Moscow, where the oppor Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Here it tunity was utilised for explaining the has taken three months to discover proposals fully in detailed discussions the mistake. We should teach them with the Soviet agencies. a lesson. The Soviet agencies in their final Shri B. R. Bhaffat: Sometimes reply have accepted some of the pro posals put to them, resulting in a net some mistake creeps in. 15^9 B ill Introduced NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Bill Introduced 2546 fShri P. C. Sethi] reduction in the cost of plant and Mr. Speaker: That has been cor equipment of Rs. 95 million, apart rected in my copy. from further consequential reductions in engineering, service facilities, cus Shri S. M. Banerjee: That has not tom duty, etc. They have given been circulated, sound techno-economic reasons for not accepting some of the other im Mr. Speaker: That may not have portant proposals. In addition they been circulated. But any Minister can have pointed out that acceptance of come and move. . . other proposals would involve not Shri S. M. Banerjee: He can move only the redesigning of those parti on his behalf. Here in the order pa cular units but also the redesigning per it is written. . . of the entire general layout and utilities. This they anticipate, would Mr. Speaker: That will not make result in delay of about one year in any material difference. I have re the establishment of the first stage. ceived notices from a few members Bokaro Steel will also be liable to that they oppose the introduction of pay substantial redesigning charges the Bill. Mr. Yashpal Singh’s notice for any modifications desired, which is the first; it was received yesterday. the Soviet agencies have not agreed One member can say a few words. to in terms of the Memorandum of Acceptance. Mr. Yashpal Singh. The Soviet reply has assured us that Shri S. M. Banerjee: You ghould they w ill continue to examine the allow every one. possibilities of further reducing the capital cost of the plant during the Mr. Speaker: Not every one. course of the detailed engineering of Shri S. M. Banerjee; It is a very im the project. portant Bill, Sir. In view of these considerations. Mr. Speaker: Mr. Yashpal Singh. Government have decided to accept the final recommendations of the Soviet Designers and Consultants. STTT ^ ^ ^ ^ i fsw T O 13.58 hrs. 1950 ^ PREVENTIVE DETENTION (CONTI NUANCE) BILL* ^ T?: ^ w f « - Mr. Speaker: Mr. Hathi. fsRT ^ ^ ^ The Deputy Minister in the Minis ^ ^ ^ TfT ^ try of Home Affairs (Shri Vidya ^m nr ^ ^ ^ Charan Shukla): I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill to continue irm i ^ ^ the Preventive Detention Act, 1950, t n W V I, ^ ^ for a further period. ^ % TSfPT Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): On TTTfe T O ^ a point of order. In the order paper ^ I I ^ it is indicated that Mr. Gulzarilal Nanda w ill move. •Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary, P a r t , I I , section 2, dated 10-11-66. ‘ 2541 Bill Introduced K A R T IK A 19, 1888 iSAKA) Bill Introduced 2542 criminately used, how it was used ?TT^ft ^R>r ^ f r r n ^ ^ against the political workers, whether in Uttar Pradesh or any other Pradesh. ir ^9T if ^ ^ I oppose the introduction of the Bill ^f]' f% and I would request you to ask the hon. Minister, the Mover of this Bill, ^ it ^ i , to withdraw it. There are enough sec •1^ I I ^*T tions in the other Acts in this coun <^1% oFT^ ^ ’fflXTT f%m I try, by which undesirable people and anti-social people can be detained in jail. So, I oppose this and I would 14hrs. ) request this House to reject it at the Shri A. K. Gopalan (Kasergod): For introduction stage. the Icist 16 years this Preventive De Shri Ranga (Chittoor): We also op tention Act has been there. Every pose this Bill. Till now it has been a time it was introduced it was said temporary one. I do not see any that it would be only for one year reason why it should be extended or three years; like that, it has been now on the eve of the elections. Are going on for the last 16 years. Why Government prepared to give us an as not make it a permanent statute? surance that this Act is not going to be Here we are passing this Bill and arc enforced until after the elections are giving the authority to the Executive. over? I do not think that such an They are the people who have to assurance would be forthcoming from decide this, and we know what kind them. Therefore, lest it should be of people are there. We have even used for political purposes during the understood that it w ill be given to the elections and during the period pend Home Secretary. They cook up cer ing the elections, we are not in favour tain charges. Under the Preventive of extending this measure. Detention Act and also under the D.I.R., we are the persons who have been suffering because so many things Mr. Speaker: Now, Shri Nambiar. have been cooked up and anybody can An hon. Member: He is also an be detained. . . . aggrieved party. Mr, Speaker: That will be an argu Mr. Speaker: I should have allowed ment when the Bill is considered. only one Member from each party. I had allowed Shri A. K. Gopalan be Shri A. K. Gopalan: I say that it is cause he has said that the members not necessary that this Bill should be of his party were victims of this there. There is the D.I.R. and there measure. are other measures by which any Shri Nambiar (Tiruohirapalli): I op undesirable action can be prevented. pose the introduction of this BUI not Efven when all these things are there, only because I aan a victim but be as it has happened, Government la cause hundreds and even thousands of not able to prevent anything. This people in this country have been the Bill is not necessary. I oppose it. poor victims of this lawless law. This law was brought in, in 1950 as an Mr. Speaker: Mr. Banerjee might appendage to the other laws that were also take two minutes. there; it has in its operation done so Shri S. M. Banerjee; I oppose this much havoc that people have had to suiler. Added to this, the Defence of Bill There are so many penal sec tions under the I.P.C. and the Cr. P. C. India Rules also come in. Government have not yet withdrawn the applica We know that all those sections are tion of DIR totally. They have only used to crush the people’s movement stated that they are not going to im in the country. I know how the Preventive Detention A ct was indis plement them or use them in certain 2543 Bill Introduced NOVEMBER 10, 1966 Bill Introduced 2544 fShri Nambiar] States, but they would enforce them only in certain border States. That vh ^ o : 1 950 11 draconian law is already hanging. «rr I ^ ^ Over and above this, they are now ^ rTifT ^ seeking to continue this law which has been on the statute-book for six t I 1950 teen years, for another three years. ^ ^ »RT «rr, I submit that this is too much. ^ Sift, q ft I would submit that there is no justi fication for the continuation of this, 1 9 5 2 lit, ^ ^ and the sooner it is repealed, the W , STTrT SfT^ better it is for the country and for ^ 5BftT ^ T - ^ T all of us. ^ ^ t| f I 16 JTRT ^ ^ t, ?ftT WmX ^ ? I ^ «TCJT<{T ^ ^ ^r^STFT ^ ^ ^ 't 2 2 % ^ fsfT ^ ^nft ^ f t t ^ ^ ^ I, ^ ^ ^r'ir i ^ i t ^?rr t ^ m m | ^ % ^ 3ft xrJT?T^T #5 f(i ^ 7T ? ^ ? m t fW^TT % Jr ^ ?ft^ % f , t ^ % %(\x ^ ’s w f^ir zriJ ^ f 5 ft 11 1 6 ^ ^ sn>r? 'ft# ^ t i ^ 2PT% 5Tt^ ^<<^r cTT^ H I fk: ^ ^ ^7^ Shri Va^devan Nair (Ambala- ??%iTTc-T ^ ^ t ^srrfr i puzha): We have always considered this Act to be a black Act, and we are totally opposed to the extension of this Act. I am really concerned is a fundamental right of an Indian For these rea Shri Vidya Charan Shukla: I refuse also w ill be completely free, fair and to yield the floor. Impartial and this Act is not going to be used in any xinrealistic or unrea Mr. Speakier: Shri S. M. Banerjee sonable manner against any political should resu'me his seat, if the Deputy parties or political opponents. Minister is not yielding. Mr. Speaker: The question is: Shri Vidya Charan Shukla: There has been no such complaint from any Shri S. M. Banerjee: Kindly hear political quarters about this. me. He has made a statement which is very wrong. On 12th July, 4 lead Shri S. M. Banerjee: It is a wrong ing members of political parties, the statement. Left Communist Party, the Republican Party and the Commimist Party of Shri Vidya Charan Shakla: Again, I India were all detained in U.P. So want to give this assurance to the his statement is factually incorrect. House that this measure has never Mr. Speaker: The question is: been used against political parties on the eve of elections. Three general “That leave be granted to intro elections have been held when this duce a Bill to continue the Pre. Act has been on the statute-book, and ventive Detention Act, 1950, foi these elections have been free, fair a further period’. and impartial. There is no reason to doubt that again the coming elections The Lok Sabha divided: DtTision No. I ] ayes [14.22hrs. Achal Singh. Shri Oajraj Singh. Rao. Shri Melkote. Dr. Gandhi. Shri V. B. Mcngi. Shri Gopal Datt AlvB, Shri A.S. M inim ata, Shrimati Alva. Shri Joachim Ghosh, Shri Atulya Babunath Singh. Shri Ghosh, Shri N .R . Mishra.ShriBibhuti Baiai, Shri Kamalnayan Heda. Shri Miara, Shri Sh^am Dhar Bakliwal. Shri Hem Raj, Shri More, Shri K. L. Bal Krlshn a Singh. Shri Jadhav. Shri M .L. Mukerjee, Shrimati Sharda Balakrishnan. Shri Jagivan Ram. Shri Marti, Shri M . S. Muthiah, Shri Balmiki. Shri Jamunadevi. Shrimati Barkataki. Shrimati Renuka Jedhe, Shri N a ik ,S h r iD . J. Naskar, Shri P.S. Bampal, Shri P.L. Jha. Shri Yogendra Niranjan Lai. Shri Baiwant. Shri Joshi. Shri A .C . Paliwal. Shri Besra, Shri JyoUshi, Shri J.P. Pande, Shri K. N. Bhanja Deo, Shri L.N . Kedaria, Shri C. M . Bhanu Prakash Singh, Shri Kindar Lai, Shri Pandey. Shri R. S. Bhattacharyya, Shri C.K. Kotoki, Shri Liladhar Panna L a i. Shri Pant, Shri K . C. Bist, S h riJ.B .S .- Krishna, ShriM.R. Brajeshwar Prasad. Shri Kureel. Shri B.N. Parashar. Shri Chanda, Shrimati Jyotana Lalit Sen, Shri Patil, Shri D. S. Patil, Shri M . B. Chaudhuri, Shri D. S. Laskar, Shri N . R. Patil. Shri S.B. Charan, Shri D. R. Mahida, Shri Narendra S in ^ Daljit Singh, Shri Malaichami. Shri M . Patil, Shri S. K . Malaviya, Shri K . D. Pattabhi Raman. Shri C. 1 . Das, Dr. M . M . MoUick, Shri Rama Chandra Prabhakar, Shri Naval Das Shri N .T. Manaen, Shri Praup Singh, Shri D .8S, Shri C . Deahmukh, Shri B. D. MandaUShriJ. Rajaram, Shri Dcshmokh,Shri Shivaji Rao S. Mantri, Shri D.D. Rajdeo Singh, Shri Dcshm ukhj Shrimati Vimala Marandi. Shri Raju, Shri D. B. Ram, Shri T. Dey, Shri S.K. Masuriyo Din, Shri Ram Sewak. Shri Dighe, Shri Mathur, Shri Harish Chandra Mehdi, Shri S.A. Ramdhani Das, Shri Mehrotra, Shri BraJ Blhari Rane. Shri M e h u , Shri Jashvant Ranga Rao, Shri 2549 Re. Breach KARTIKA 19, 1 8 8 8 (SAKA) of Privilege 2550 ; Rttijlt Singh, Shri Sharma, Shri D. C. Suryt Pruad. Shri Rao, Shri Ja*tnatht Sharma, Shri K . C. Swamy, Shri M . P. Rao, Dr. K. L. Shastri, Shri Ramanand Sbac Narain, Shri Thomat, Shri A.M . Rao. Shri Ramapathi Shinde, Shri Tlwary, Shri D. N. Rao, Shri Thirumala Shree Nm yan Das, Shri Tlwary, Shri K. N- Raut, Shri DhoU Shukla. Shri Vidya Charan Tlw ary. Shri R . S. Ray, Shrimati Renuka Shyamkumari Devi Shrimati Trlpithi, Shri Kriihna Deo R oy , Shri Bishwanath Tula Ram, Shri Sadhu Ram, Shri Siddiah, Shri Tyagi, Shri Saha, Dr, S, K. Sidheahwar Prasad, Shri Ulkey, Shri S4h'i, Shri Ramcshwar Singh, Shri D. N. UpKlhayaya, Shri Shiva Dutt Saraf. Shri Sham L a i SIngh, Shri K. K . Valahya, Shri M . B. Sarma, Shri A.T. Singh, Shri S. T . Varmi. Shri Ravindra Satyabhama Devi, Shrimati Slngha. Shri G .K . Veerabaaappa, Shri Scindia, Shrimati Vijaya Rate Sinha, Shrlmaa Tarkeahwaii Venkataaubhalah, Shri P. Sen, Shri P. G. Slnhasan Singh, Shri Vidyaluikar, Shri A. N. Sivappraghaiaan, Shri K u. Vya», Shri Radhelal Shah, Shrimati Jayabcn Sonavane, Shri Wadlwa, Shri Shakuntala D evi, Shrimati Subramanyam, Shri T. Yadab. Shri N.P. Sham Nath, Shri Sumat Praaad, Shri Yadava, Shri B.P. Shankaraiya, Shri Sunder Lai, Shri NOES Alvares, Shri Gopaian, Shri A. K. Patel, Shri Rajeshwar Aney, Dr. M . S. Gounder, Shri Muthu Pattntyak, Shri Kiahan Uaiiericc, Shri S .M . Kamath, Shri Hari Viahnua RangB, Shri nhattacharya, Shri IJiiien KUya, Shri Mohammed Sexhiyan, Shri Uiren Dutta, Shri Nair, Shri Vaiudevan Trivedi, Shri U.M. Dasaratha D eb, Shri Nambiar, Shri Yashpal Singh, Shri Shri Rajaram (Krishnagiri): Mine K. D. Milaviya. I had said I would is ‘No.’ It has come out wrongly. take it up at 3.30 p .m . and then we would take up non-official business. Shii Muhammad Ismail (M anjiri): But now Shri Malaviya may very My vote is also for ‘Noes’. briefly say what he has to. Mr. Speaker: Both would be noted. Shri K. D. Malaviya (Basti): Sir, yesterday I gave notice of my inten The result of the division is: Ayes tion to raise a question of breach of 165; Noes 18. privilege against The Hindustan Times, The Ayes have it; the Ayes have it. its editor and publisher for having Leave is granted. committed the contempt of this House and its Speaker and infringed my pri The motion was adopted. vilege by publishing in its edition of 9th November (that is, yesterday) on Shri Vidya Charan Shukla: I intro front page in col. 4 dafamatory re duce the Bill. marks against me which were ordered to be expimged by you, Sir. 14.18 hrs. I seek your consent under rule 222 to raise this question. Shall I read RE. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE the extract? Mr. Speaker: I had received notice Mr. Speaker: No, not necessary. I of a breach of privilege from Shri agree the presumption is that when 2551 Breach of NOVEMBER 10, 19Q|6 Representation of People (Arndt.) Bill and Privilege Constitution (2Ut Arndt.) BUI [Mr. Speaker] some observations here have been front page they display a remark ordered to be expunged, the press against me which has been expunged should take note of it and should not under your orders it does not consti publish it. If they publish it, certain tute a breach of privilege. ly there is a breach of privilege. Mr. speaker: Let that apology al.so Shrl S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): We come. Then we w ill consider it. never know what is expunged. We have been asking you about it. Shri Shri K. D. Malaviya: I would like Kishen Pattnayak and Shri Madhu to reserve my right to comment on Lim-aye have been asking pointed the apology when it comes. questions about that. When we our selves do not know what has happen ed, how can the press know? Mr. Speaker: I am not against that. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. This Shri A. N. Vldyalankar (Hoshiar- pur): They should also publish on the much I have to inform the House that front page the apology they tender. the editor of The Hindustan Times came to me this morning at 9.30 or Mr. Speaker: Let that come. That thereabout would be seen afterward. Shri Harl Vishnu Kamath (Hosh- angabad): Editor himself? 14.24 hrs. Mr. Speaker: Editor himself—Mr. REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE Bhatia is the editor. He himself came (AMENDMENT) BILL to me and expressed his regret. I told him that that was not enough; he and should write to the House so that I CONSTITUTION (TWENTY-FIRST can read it out here. He has pro AMENDMENT) BILI^onfd. mised that he would be sending that. But he has said that he was absent Mr. Speaker: Further consideration and he had asked the man in charge of the following motions moved by also who has given the explanation Shri G. S. Pathak on the 8th Novem that there was such a confusion that ber, namely: he could not honestly follow what was happening. “That the Bill further to amend the Representation of the People Shrl K. D. Malaviya: I have a sub Act, 1950, and the Representation mission to make that a defamatory of the People Act, 1951, as statement has been made against me reported by the Joint Committee, the expunction of which you were be taken into consideration” . kind enough to order in the House day before yesterday. Unfortunately, I and have to say this about this newspaper, “That the Bill further to amend which I consider notoriously opposed the Constitution of India be taken to me because of certain views, that I into consideration” hold concerning public matters, that this is not the first time that they Shri Mahida was on his legs last have done it. They are habitual time. offenders so far as I am concerned. Therefore, I would beg of you to con The Minister of State in the Depart sider very seriously whether if on the ment of Parliamentary Affairs and 2553 Representation KARTIKA 19, 1688 iS A K A ) of the People 2554 (Amdf.) Bill Communications (Shrl Jagranatha Rao): Many Members of the Congress Party want to take part in the debate. q^r I I { i May I request you to extend the time till 3.30 when we take up non-official business. no ffo mwn : ^ ?tY^ ?rnt I ^ ift Mr. Speaker: We will see that. ^ I Stiri Harlsh Chandra Maihur Mr. Speaker: TJow it would be on (Jelore): May we know when voting Tuesday. is to take place so that we can be 14.26 hrs. present? [M r . D e p u t y -S p e a k e r in the Choir] Mr. Speaker: If this is accepted, Shri Narendra Singh Mahida voting can take place on Monday (Anand): Yesterday, I was refering 'morning. to financial contributions, by compan ies to political parties. Shri Jaganatha Rao: There arc In present days, our cynosnire is three holidays intervening with wealth and power. Diwali. Many Members may not be back here on Monday. So I would By all means, fair or foul, acquire request you to postpone the voting to money, and seats in legislatures, Tuesday. that seems to be the goal of us all. The desire of power in excess, has Mr. Speaker: If that is the desire of caused many angels to fall. We the House, I have no objection have witnessed many such events. Then we can take up some other busi The capitalist system flourished ness on Monday and have it on Tues and was tolerated as there was ig day. norance. But, inspite of increased education our worship of wealth and Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath (Hoshan- its owners has not decreased. gabad): This is a bad precedent. The Wealth is necessary. It has a Pro Government should have its business per place, in our society too. But, properly arranged. through money, we should not lure and spoil our simple villagers in Mr. Speaker: The Members may be e’ections, and thus flout our much going on three days holidays for Divali. talked of high ideals. People lose So, we will have it on Tuesday, and character, and the nation is demora some other business on Monday. lized. Let us be defeated in one thou sand, elections, but let us not adopt unfair means for petty, temporary gains in elections. 7^ f^ T ^ t 1 ^ ^ Shri N. C. Chatterjee rightly sta t I ^ ^ ^ tes in his note of dissent that peo ple have faith in the High Court and ^ t I ^ ^ ^ it is expected that the Judges of the nn ? I ^ ^rr^JTT ? High Court will be in a position to ^ render satisfactory decisions in the election cases. But, we know that the ^ ^ m ?ftT High Courts are over-worked, and s ftf^ Jr »inT ^ ^ I there is large accumulation of ar rears in different High Courts. Dr. Singhvi has rightly suggested increasing the number of High I 2555 Representation NOVEMBER 10, 19W of the People 2556 (Amdt) Bill [Shri Narendra Singh Mahida] Court Judges. That point should also is a question of the Government be looked into. being run on behalf of the people, on behalf of the electorate, and the Shri Daji and others have stated Government must have a majority that elections in India are becozning behind it. It is said that when de very aostly and unless some thing mocracy came in it was pleaded that is done to reverse this position, our there was a case for an agrarian law democracy may very soon degenerate for proportionate possession of land, into an oligarchy of the nominees of that the interests should be common the rich. I agree with this. that land should be so divided. In Shri Mariswamy has said in his dustries had not come into existence note of dissent that a majority of then, and social prestige attached to our voters are illiterate and many proprietary rights in land carried ot the candidates cash on that. This social influence and authority. There is also true. I have spoken about it fore, the suggestion was made that earlier. land should be proportionately dis tributed. ■ I do not claim that niy party is perfect and is above suspicions. But Now, after the industrial revolution we have amongst us members who society is divided between the pro still loftily hold the banner of high ducer, entrepreneur, capitalist and morals, and principles and work foi so many classes, bringing in the them. As long as this is being done question of the division between the Congress will always live and the rich and the poor, or between survive all turmoils. the labourer and the employer and so many other people. So, in the My emphasis is on survival from course of history in most of the suc the debacle of our present day cessful democratic countries the society. political parties are divided bet I humbly draw the attention of all ween two which roughly speaking to the fact that our total material means progressives and conserva out-look, lack of attention, towards tives, or those dealing with the morals, principles, character, and ab present and the future and those sence of spritual motives w ill lead dealing with the past and holding to Us to ruin. old order. W e are drifting and we are in peril So, this suggestion of proportion We shall have to Pay a heavy price al representation may be good in theory, but it is not a practical pro for all our mis-doings today. position. It was discussed in the But let Deewali and its light of Constituent Assembly a n d was re wisdom remove all ignorance from jected as not being a practical pro the country and let us be optimistic position. and hope for a bright fresh new yea" Dealing with the Bill, I beg to I, thierefore, recommend to th e submit that in modem times there House to accept the Report o f the are two grave offences emerging out Joint Committee and approve the as the most dangerous crimes against Bill and along with it the Constitu the social order which is based on tion (Amendment) Bill. respect and protection of the com mon interests, based again on ration Shri K. C. Sharma (Sardhana): al thinking or enlightened reason. Yesterday a suggestion was made by One of the grave offences is tax an hon. Member that the method of evasion, and the other is purchasing election should be changed to what the vote or in any other way inter is called proportional representation fering with the free and fair elec by a single trans^’erable vote. This tions. They do injury to the social 3557 Representation K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (SAKA) of the People 2558 (A rn d t) B ill _ order; the one deprives the citizer. revolutionary change and some of the benefits of the social order in bright star has to appear then relation to his right to health, genius must be welcomed. But growth and education, and the other genius would not be welcomed by stands in the way of the bringing fools. What is the alternative then. into existence of a good government My respectful submission is that a that would be responsible to the condition must be laid down that a citizenry for the benefit of his candidate for election to the legis growth, liberty and life. Therefore, lature must need be a graduate from I beg to submit that it should be re a recognised university. Many people garded as a very serious offence that will ask: are graduates not fools? It ajnybody ^ o u ld interfere in free is true; there may be some among and fair elections by purchasing them also. But take any police re votes or by doing any other thing gister. What is the percentage of by which election would not be graduates who have committed possible in a free and fair way. So, crimes? There will be lesaer per I would respectfully submit that it centage. What iB the number of gra is a very serious crime against so duates that have done thmgs which ciety and the offender should be an intelligent man should not have sentenced to seven years rigorous done? It w ill be a very meagre imprisonment. He should in no way number. So, from this experience be qualified to be a candidate for it is accepted that a graduate is a the legislature because it cuts at the better and more rational animal than very root of democracy. It i« not a non-graduate. Democracy being a question of purchasing vote or an order based on reason, it is nece prefventinfi the poor Harijan from ssary that the legislator must need coming to the polling booth. It is not be a graduate. A legislator has been that he be not be allowed to con defined by one political philosopher test the elections for one or two as a superior being which looks not to years. Such a man should be de his own interest as a common man barred and should never be allowed looks but looks into the interest of to stand as candidate. It is impossi the common man. He has the capacity ble to accept the proposition that to the interest of the people. He must such a criminal should be allowed have superior capacity to feel and to legislate as he breakg the law of understand. Thereore, at least the the land. Such a lawbreaker should qualification must be that the candi not be allowed at any time to make date should be a graduate from a re the law. cognised unversity. The third point is that there is ShH M. Malalchaml (Periyakulam); this very serious proposition before Allegations were made by Opposition all the democratic countries. The Members regarding the use of ad calibre and the performance of the ministrative pressure and the influen democratic institutions are going ce of money by the ruling p a rty to down. People who deal with social get into power and these had been re problems, teachers in sociology and futed by the fact that it is found on an social philosophers aTe all concerned analysis of the election Commission re at the fact that democracy is grow port that more than fifty per cent of ing into a rule by fools and genius the votes went to the Opposition. So, is disenfranchised because people inspite of pressures and other things who vote are ignorant and ignorant alleged by the Oposition, the electo people do not like brilliant people. rate are inteUigent enough and they That is why Socrates was have got the courage to exercise their poisoned to death and Gandhiji was independent judgement regarding the shot dead. Ignorant people do not selection of candidates. So, the alle like genius. The world is passing gations made by the Opposition that through a crisis and if you want a the Ruling Party has come into 1966 (Ai) LSD-8. 2559 Represenation NOVEMBER 10, 1966 of the people 2560 (Arndt.) Bill [Shri M. Malaichami] power mainly on account of these whereas an ordinary voter thinks practices does not hold water and there will be people who are not law they are to be blamed for their own abiding, who wouH generally create weaknesses. Even though the electo confusion and disorder. So, he decline rate gave 54 per cent of their votes to go to the polling booths to exercise to the Opposition, they failed to get his franchise. These things could be power on account of the existence of avoided if mobile polling booths divisions among themselves, their lack could be provided and, at the same of policy and programme and their time, it will go a long way to reduce non-interest in the welfare of the election expenditure. country and society. So, they are themSlelves to be blamed for their There is one other thing which I failure to get into p>ower. However, would like to suggest regarding this according to the present social struu- point. Providing voter’s indentity ture in the country, it cannot be said cards also with the electoral number that there is a situation wherein the in the cards will also help to reduce candidates can flght the electiones on the election expenditure to the candi an equal footing. Our Consti dates. If identity cards are provided tution enshrines justice, social, generaMy, the work left to the candi economic and political to every citizen dates will be to propagate and publi and the present circumstances do not cise the policy and programme of his help the creation of such a situation. party and the object of his contes This must be taken note of. It would ting the election, that is, he could pro help all candidates contesting the pagate the policies and programmes of election if facilities are provided to his party, how he is qualified to be a the voters to cast their votes without candidate in that constituency, how travelling long distances or at least he has served the country and sPent there must be a contrivance by which his days previously before he entered the voters can exercise their votes the election contest and how tne in their villages themselves. This people could la y ^aith on him, so that will also help reduce the expendi if they select him a^ a candidate, it ture on elections. Our Congress Pre would be a beneficial thing for that sident. Mr. Kamaraj, suggested the const’tuencv and that he could be provision of a mobile polling booth to worthy candidate, having the confi reduce election expenses 1 am confi dence of the constituency. These dent that this suggestion if carried things will enable the candidate not out in full faith and fairness will cer o n lv to educate the people in the tainly go a long way to deduce the costitupncy but to serve the consti election expenses. Voters need not tuency better and to give h’m en go away from their villages. They can couragement and appreciation for his be in their homes and look service At the same time, it will go a long way to reduce the expenditure after their own work. Candi also. dates need not hunt for the voters and need not spend money on transport Another thing I would like to men or feeding. In towns we find that tion here is that anti-social elemonts many people from the intelligentsia like blackmarketecrs and hoarders do not take interest in the elections should not be given scope to contest and do not exercise their votes be the elections. As I alreaday said, in cause of the rush and contusion that the peresent circumstances in the exists in and around the polling country it cannot be said that equal booths. In cities like Madras and opportunities are provided for citizens other places many from the intelli to contest the elections on an equil gentsia do not go to the polling booths footing. When money is given, when because they think it is below their a particular person earns money and dignity to go to the polling booth when he thinks he is a rich man, he 2561 RepreaentaUon KARTIKA 19, 1888 (S A K A ) of the People 2562 (Amdt) Bill wants to come to power. Just like a that is why I think that if the Gov man who likes to make the maximum ernment agrees w^th what Shri use of the opportunity to hoard and Kamath has meant in para 5 of his blackmarket, he will not fail to misuse Note of Dissent, the Government also his position if he gets into power. So, should take steps to see that the ad there should be stringent measures ministration of the laws with referen enshrined which will prevent oppor ce to blackmarketing, hoarding pro tunists and anti-social elements from fiteering and adulteration is such that entering into responsible positions in there is no lacuna. I have absolutely the country. no sympathy with anyone of them, but I have sympathy with the poor people So, I request the Law Ministry to who get it in their necks, because of take into consideration these sugges dishonest officers demanding money, tions and see that some suaitable situ and if those people do not pay their ation is created wherein our elections dasturi, these officers catch hold of are conducted in a fair and reason them. able way, thus improving the politi cal situation in the country and stabi Shri Hart Vishnn Kamath: I a^ee lising our democracy and socialism. wholeheartedly and completely with Shrl U. M. Trivedl (Mandsaur): Mr. what he has said. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, it is rather for Shri U. M. Trivedi: Today, we had tunate that we have got a Minister several newspapers which contained who knows and understands law. He the statement of our ex-Home Minis does not show much prejudice, and ter. I hope he will remain on the same pedestal in which we found him Shri Hart Vishnn Kamath: I am when he came here. sure you will agree that when such important points are being made, there Sir, it is high time that this Act must be quorum in the House. was amended, and it is good that amendments have been made. It is Mr. Depnty-Speaker: The bell is also unfortunate that I was not able ringing—yes; now there is quorum. to return to Delhi in time to be able The hon. Member may continue his to formulate my Note of Dissent, and speech. that is one reason why I have risen to speak today. Shri U. M. Trivedi: In continuation, One thing that has worried me and what I was going to say is this. This to which I wish to draw your attention morning, when the press statement in this report, is this. Shri Kamath of Shri Nanda was being read, a re is always very, very enthusiastic; he markable passage was there which goes to extremes about this food adul referred to corruption at very high teration, blackmarketing, hoarding level. and profiteering. I agree with him in how he feels about them. But I Mr. Depnty-Speaker: There is noise do not agree with him when he does in the back benches. Order, order. not realise this particular aspect, namely, as far as the administration Shri U. M. Trivedi: If that is a fact of law in respect of food adulteration then one must realise that the powers is concerned, there is such a big lac that are to be given to officers who una that some innocent people also get are going to exercise discretionary it in their neck. The law provides powers must not be such as to be ex that there should always be two res ercised whimsically and wilfully and pectable witnesses. But times with in a manner indicative of a discretion out number, this very reasonable not exercised on reason. The power provision of law is set at naught and to remove the disqualification has been 2563 Represenation NOVEMBER 10, 1966 of the people 2564 (Arndt.) Bill LShri U. M. Trivedi] given to the Election Commission. Government and the contracting We had a very bad case about two party, in my humble opinion, the yean ago. contract remains. That is the verdict of various High Courts from time to Mr. Depnty.Speaker: It h as been time. This conception of law must not mentioned already. be changed by this sort of amend ment. A contract shall be deemed to Shrl U. M. Trlvedl: I do not think be in existence until it has been dis this has been amended. That power charged, i.e. when nothing further is still there. I say this power may be remains to be satisfied either way. given subject to appeal to some high so, this amendment suggested by the er authority, say, the Supreme Court. Minister should be withdrawn. Some rider must be placed upon it that a disqualification shall not be 15 hrs. removed at least for one year. Otherwise, there is discrimination. This discrimination which results Shri Tyagi (Dehra Dun): If the patently from the exercise of this contract is completed, but payment ii power in an arbitrary manner must not made? go. Let the Election Commission ex Shrl U. M. Trivedi: Payment is not ercise this power, if it is to be ^rusted made because there is a dispute. If to that extent. But let it not be vested there is a dispute, the contract is not with the power that in one case it will said to be discharged. I know Mr. not remove the disqualification for Tyagi, with his great common sense, one year and in another case it re puts things properly, but the difficulty moves in two days or in a single day. in law still remains. This is a mockery of the decisions of various tribunals. High Courts and Notwithstanding some small lacu Supreme Court if it is removed in a nae here and there, I think this Bill day. It should not be vested with deserves the support of the House. At such powers that if a member of the the same time, proper attention must Opposition Party—Jan Sangh, Com be paid to the notes of dissent given munist or PSP, etc— incurs a disqua by various members, particularly Mr. lification, it is not removed fro 6 years Kamath and Mr. Chatterjee, because Some criteria and rules must be laid these are of a particular nature down according to which the Elec which draw the attention of anybody tion Commission may be guided. I who wants to apply his intelligence to submit that there should be a further the provisions of this law. As I have provision for getting a proper hearing remarked often in the past, it is un before an appellate authority. fortunate that in this House we take too much interest in only running I am happy about the provision in down the Government or finding clause 9 regarding disqualification fault with this or that. But the pri being incurred on account of Gov mary function for which we have ernment contract. But I read this been elected to this House— ^I mean morning an amendment by the Minis our legislative duties—is neglected ter seeking to water it down which, to a very great extent. I hope the I am afraid, will make the whole pro House will now rise to the occasion vision nugatory. He wants to provide even at the fag end of this Parlia that if he has executed his part of the ment a n d devote more and more time contract and if the contract remains to the making of laws than creating to be executed on the part of Gov obstructions only. ernment, he will not be disqualified. Shri D. C. Sharma (Gurdaspur): Sir, a contract is never said to have been executed if a dispute still re Sir, I welcome this Bill. It does mains. I f a dispute exists between make some improvements on the 2565 Representation KARTIKA 19. 1888 (SAKA) of the People 2566 (Arndt.) BiU existing law relating to the represen God’s sake, save us from this kind of tation oi the people. But 1 must legislation which leaves things in the submit that this Bill has tried to do air, which leaves things to the sweet two grave acts of injustice. Firstly, will of a Commission or something it has tried to make a powerful thing like that more powerful. The Election Com mission is already an autonomous body like the Supreme Court. It is My second point is about the Deli beyond our purview. We cannot mitation Commission. No one has question what it does. Instead of greater admiration for the Delimita trying to take away some of its tion Commission than I have. It is powers, the Minister has given it because this Delimitation Commission more powers than necessary. is the most wonderful body on the surface of this earth. Its conclusions For instance take clause 9. Electo are illogical and arbitrary, they do ral rolls need not be published by the not follow any geographical laws, Election Commission and if it does they do not follow any ethnic laws, not publish it, it can state the reasons. they do not follow any economic What is it meant for if it cannot pub laws, they do not follow any kind of lish electoral rolls before the general human laws. They follow laws which elections or bye-elections? You may are made in heaven and which are say next time that the Election Com broken somewhere else. Districts mission may not have polling stations are cut. I think if I were a free everywhere. Sdr, nobody can have man I would lead a bandh against the greater respect for the Election Com Delimitation Commission for the mission than I have. But I would simple reason that it cuts districts not like that the Election Commis into fragments which are economically sion, which is a democratic device for unviable. Why does it do so? It keeping our elections fair and impar wants to help one district and in tial, should become something like a order to help one district it cuts ano despotic, arbitrary Moghul emperor. ther district and like that the vicious It should be the duty of the Election circle starts. I want that this Deli Commission to publish the electoral mitation Commission should not have rolls before the general elections and been given so much right by our also before the by-elections and it Constitution. Even if it has been should not come forward and say that given so much right, I think the Mem it could not do so. Anybody can bers of this House or the members give any reasons for doing anything. of State Assemblies should not have If tomorrow I want to organise a been there as associate members, bandh I can give fifty good reasons they should have been there as full- for organising that bandh, but you fledged members and the Delimita will not agree with me. So the first tion Commission should have been point that I want to make is that the more democratic than it is. What I Election Commission should not have find is, it is deaf to all that is said. been given this kind of option which It favours t^ose persons who are in I think goes against the interests of power—of course, I am not in power, democracy. Electoral rolls are the I am just a private member, belonging Bible of democracy, if I can put it to the Congress Party— and it tries to like that. We swear by them, we snatch away the legal, the ethical, read them, we cannot go beyond them. the natural rights of those persons They are our be-all and end-all. And, who do not sit in the seats of might. here the Law Minister, a wise man I think the Law Minister should have from Prayag, has given the Election come forward to say something about Commission the right to publish them this Delimitation Commission. What or not to publish them. Now, if it has it done to my district of Gurdas- does not want to publish them, it can pur? It has done similar things to give its reasons for not doing so. For other districts also. There should have 2567 Rejyresenation NOVEMBER 10, 1966 of the people 2568 (Arndt.) Bill [Shri D. C. Sharma] been some curb on the power of the The Minister of Law (Shri G. 8. Delimitation Commission. Pathak); Say: “the so-cal.ed Azad Kashmir.” Many suggestions have been made so far as the polling of votes is con Shri D. C. Sharma: I call it my cerned. I want to bring one thing Kashmir, Hindustan Kashmir. Indian to your notice, and I think it is a Kashmir. I only described it in a very important thing. Sometimes the way which is usually followed. Harijan voter, who is the main stay of our democracy, is not allowed to I find there is a tendency now that come out of the village in order that our democracy may degenerate after he may cast his vote. I think some five or ten years into plutocracy, it of the Harijan members of this august may become a paradise for people House will bear me out, and if they who have money and then people like do not do so I do not care for that. myself and Shri Mahavir Tyagi will But the fact of the matter is this, not have a look into this great Cham that some vested powers, interests, ber which is the symbol of our hopes put pressure on these Harijan mem and aspirations. Why? It is because bers and do not let them exercise our good friend the Law Minister their right, which is a constitutional wants to give some kind of latitude right, an inalienable right, a right to contractors. They have permitted which can not be denied by anybody. directors of companies where Gov The Law Minister has never fought ernment have only 25 per cent shares an election and I hope he will never to compete the elections. A contractor fight one. I pray to God he should is always a contractor and a director not iflght an election. Therefore, he is always a director, whether Gov does not understand it. But he ernment have 25 per cent shares or should have brought forward a clause more shares. These, persons should not here to penalise those persons who sully the liure and serene and free prevent Harijans, those poor person?, atmosphere of this august House by from coming to the polling booths opening their bags of money and by in order to exercise their votes. doing all kinds of things during the elections. I want to submit very respectfully that one thing should have been Mr. Depaty-Speaker: He should done. I do not agree with all that conclude now. Shri Kamath has said. No one can agree with him fully; even he does Shri D. C. Sharma: I will finish not agree with himself fully after with another sentence. My hon. two or three days. What I am sub friend was referring to the Min mitting is, here is this Azad Kashmir isters going about and making Our Foreign Minister—not the future promises. I may tell you very Foreign Minister but the present honestly that nobody believes Foreign Minister— gave a statement in the promises which the Ministers in the other House that they are not make. I went to my constituency and going to accept the cease-fire line as found that it was being visited by so the international line; that is to say, many Ministers. They go on making promises without fulfilling them. This they look upon Azad Kashmir as an is the law of nature— Ministers will integral part of India. If it is an make promises but not fulfil them- integral part of India, why not re At the time of the elections, I have serve seats for Azad Kashmir in this seen all Ministers, whether Central House in proportion to population? or State, making no promises at all. Shri Radhelal Vyas (Ujjain): Call Shri Radhe- it Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and not Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Azad K«shmir. lal Vyai. 2569 Representation KARTIKA 19, 1888 (SAKA) of the People 2570 (Arndt.) Bill ift TT l^m arm. ^ # TT7# Tf^f I «IT«T% Vt 3ft iT^ ?if«nrR f^^T t 5; ^ »iTr 11 ^ IT?: I 5TT 3nr^ v»fi%»< ^ fr^TT *fr ir r r w ^ ^ «ff ^JT% Vr^T^eT ^ vrfo^FTT ^ ^ % ? T?T^fV*TT ^RTW^ ^sr^ I T?: ffV^ t o r TOfr «ff I ^tttt jn f fsRT eff^ I t ^^hn:»T ^ ^ ^ 11 T7% Tf® JTfr I ^ v»ri*t>< ®TT% JTT ^JT *F*T ^ -jmr^ f^rq^ q H ^ ^^«TI f r ^ T *FT%, ^1^1 <;a %% ^ ^t, ^ 7 fTTTTT^ «nTT^ ^r ’'Ef^TT ^SHoT | ^# ^ cfi ?f «ff ^ ^ ^ c T I ^TfiT ^ ^TFT ^ I 5r^>? T ^r??n ^tnr 1 ^ ^h5T^ f ^o w r ’Sfl’ ^rnrfqiff % f?rq ^ 1 1 ^*frT- ? f T f 15 ^TT ^ ®PT^T?r % f?rcr ?ftr t‘^ ^i?n % f?rcr, T f^ f^ f- 5f *nr if5rfT?tJFPT ^n^rft ^rrf^rrr ifT % f^TlT ^'r ^TcT t, ^ ^ 't eft ^'V'q^r^'Vi ^ VT'T ? f cTriT^TT »rd4 ?lKf^TJff i f f ^ ^n«r ®PT^ ^ it JT| 5ET^ f 3 ^ 5^ J T j t I , g I ^ f^ci% 2571 Represenation NOVEMBER 10, 1900 of the people 2572 (Arndt.) 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It has acteddeliberately ^ iffT Tm against the provisions of the Consti tution and against the provisions of ^ iT^ ^ ^ T zf^ the Delimitation Commission Act. w»T ^rjfWnr ^ oi^d' ^ ^ I ^ ^ H^cfl ^ JTTT ^:i^d^y|?T ^ I T^^, «ft zfft t I WT TT fe r ^*r t;, 3^ ^ t r t ’jt JT^rPr fFrsTnrf Tt ^t ^ptt ^ f ^ T TiTiT I, f[TT% ^npfh?R arrnTT ^ 3TrW, % r ^ f^FTT w 11 ?rr5r qrf%TTTJR: Tif Tprr f , 3ft ^ ^rm t, w.\i ^ ^?T 5T^9f)TT5’ I ^T ?riT7: ’fTOt^TtT?^ ^ | f 11 |, ^ crf^T ^ ^ x r ^ 11 m x ftf^^TCTPT wft fviT A f w JT^n t, - ^ 5f ^ ^ ftT, gjftfT 5fZ^ ^FTOt?2Ttr?;?ft ^'t ?t ^ ^ cl^ HT^cil %r [«fr ^ ^rrroT ^ f , ^ ?tt3 fif^rfe ^ ^ *1^ t, ^ wrer I ?flT JTT^TTjTHT ^ I ?niT ^TSTO ^ ^^rrfy ^ ^ ^rrm 11 i^^Ter?ft + itclc4k»^^ TTT ^ i ? ^ fsTcrrt »rf f ^ 5>ft 5rf?^ ^?r% ^ 3TfTR % IT^ ?T^, ^^<+1 ^'V 3ft ^ 7 t ^ T ( 7 ? f R f ^ f t q?p ^ 'TT^TZ^%.^ JT^ I f t srni Jfft ?ft ^ 'R f a r ^ ^tt^TT STATEMENT RE. EXPORT DUTY TT^rTT fTTVrFFTT I ON TEA The Minister of Commerce (Shri Manubhai Shah): As the hon. Mem ^ c rtt^ ^ ^ ^ bers are aware, an export duty at tha t I ^o %o ^ ?RT ?rf rate of Rs. 2.00 per kilogram was im posed on tea on the eve of devalua 3n^, ^ ^ tmx *t> i*PT tion. The purpose of the levy was ?r^!>r iftf^fTfCTR ^ ^FTT eft >JMt>l partially to mop up consequential W T t I ^(fT®rT ^ profits and to help protect the unit value of this important export iteoL ^ ^R^fTT I , q r f w ^ f j f^Rft It waj hoped that the balance amount 2577 P M.B. Ccytnm. KARTIKA 19, 1888 (SAKA) Report 2578 of extra rupee realisations would on tea. In this connection, 1 place leave a sufficient margin as a mea on the table of the House a sure of incentive, both for exports of statement giving the details of the tea and for the development of the revised rates of duty which will take industry as a whole. effect from tomorrow. A number of representations have It will be observed that the duty been received urging Government has been fixed on a value-slab basis that the specific rate of duty of Rs. according to which teas of the value 2.00 per kilogram weighs heavily on of upto Rs. 4.00 per kilogram will the exports of low and medium price bear a specific duty of 80 paise per teas. After a careful examination of kilogram as against the present rate the position in all its aspects, it has of Rs. 2.00 per kilogram. That is a been found that while lower-priced substantial reduction. The duty will, teas stand in need of some relief, however, progressively rise to the higher price teas can bear a higher maximum rate of Rs. 3.00 per kilo incidence of duty. gram depending on the value of the tea exported. The amount of duty Although the imposition of an ad payable above the existing rate of valorem duty would be the ideal Rs, 2.00 per kilogram but upto the course to adopt, such a course would, maximum of Rs. 3.00 per kilogram as I have already stated earlier on the will include only such teas as are floor of this House, be baset with ad valued at above Rs. 9.06 per kilogram. ministrative and other difficulties. It has, therefore, been decided to com It is hoped that the slab system bine the advantages of both an cd will help in improving both the valorem and a specific rate of duty value and volume of tea exports. STATEMENT 1. Tea, value of which does not 80 paise per kilogram exceed Rs. 4.00 per kg. 2. Tea, value of which exceeds 80 paise per kilogram plus 10 paise Rs. 4-00 per kilogram but does not per klogram for every increase of 60 exceed Rs. 8.00 per kg. paise or part thereof in value in excess of Rs. 4-00 per kg. 3. Tea, value of which exceeds Rs. 1:60 per kilogram plus 15 paise Rs. 8.00 per kilogram but does not per k i’ogram for every increase ot 50 exceed Rs. 12.00 per kg. paise or part thereof per ki ogram in (value in excess of Rs. 8*00 per kg. 4. Where value exceeds Rs. 12.00 Rs. 3*00 per kilogram. per k ilo gra m . ______to the House on the 8th Novem ber, 1966. 15^2 hn. Mr. Depaty-Speaker: The question COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEM is; BERS’ BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS “That this House agrees with N i n e t y -S e v e n t h R e p o r t the Ninety-seventh Report of the Shri Shree Narayan Das (Dar> Committee on Private Members’ bhanga): I move: Bills and Resolutions presented to the House on the 8th Novem "That this House agrees with ber, 1966.” the Ninety-seventh Report of the Committee on Private Members’ The motion was adopted. Billf and Reiolutions presentsd 2 5 7 9 Drinking Water 2580 NOVEMBER 10, 1966 /or Madras (Res.) 15.31 hra. ing water, no P. L. 480 scheme could RESOLUTION RE: SCHEME FOR be devised by which drinking water DRINKING WATER FOR MADRAS- can be imported. (Interruption) If it is contd. available, they would also like to im port drinking water. Our country has Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The House come to this stage. w ill not take up further discussion of the following Resolution moved by Why I have specified the City of Shri Era Sezhiyan on the 2nd Sep Madras is because instead of being tember, 1966:— vague, I want to pinpoint how acute the shortage of drinking water sup “This House is of opinion that ply is in the City of Madras. The the Government should provide sufficient financial assistance to same state of affairs prevails in all the State Government of Madras parts of the country. Probably in the rural parts, it may be more acute. for early implementation of a As I said earlier ,instead of being scheme to provide adequate sup vague, I want to be specific about the ply of drinking water to the city of Madras/' City of Madras. Shri Sezhiyan to continue his If we take the water supply and speech. 59 minutes are left. sanitation schemes for the past three Plans, we w ill know how much gap Shri Sezhiyan (Perambalur): Mr. .has been left. I can say that this is Deputy Speaker, Sir, last time, I a subject which has been talked moved the Resolution formally and it about much but on which little has is before the House. The Resolution been done. Drinking water, as I said, is regarding the scheme to provide next to air, is a very important thing adequate drinking water to the city for the humanbeings to survive, but of Madras. Though my Resolution is it has been one of the things that specific about the city of Madras, I have been neglected throughout. want to impress the House that I am not unaware of the acute distress of Even after the first three Five- drinking water in so many cities and Year Plans, after 15 years of plan the rural parts of the country. ning, as far as rural water supply schemes are concerned, I find that For the last 19 years, there has only about 17,000 villages have been been the uninterrupted rule of Cong provided with any scheme of water ress and for the last 17 years there supply. In the whole of India there has been planning. But it is a mat are 5,65,000 villages, out of which, ter of great sorrow, if not of shame, throughout the three Five-Year iPlans to say that we have to come before in 15 years of planning, they have the House to plead for drinking been able to provide water supply to water after all these Plans and so only about 17,000 villages. That means many schemes being drawn up. only for 3 per cent of the total num ber of villages we have been able to As everybody knows, next to air, provide some sort of protected water supply schemes. water is the basic necessity for life and, after that, food, clothing, shelter and so many other things come. Regarding the schemes in urban When there is a shortage of food, areas where there are inore insistent at least our Government has got a demands, where there is a hue anJ scheme of P. L, 480 by which they cry and where people have to be pro can import food and make the gap vided with water supply in a more that has been left by the deficiency urgent way, T find that even after the in the food supplies. But for drink completion of the three Five-Year 2581 DHnking water KARTIKA 19, 1888 (^SAKA) for Madras (Res.) 258a Plans, only about 48 per cent of the is 104 i{iillion gallons for a popula uiban people have been provided tion of 2.93 millions, i.e., about 35 A^ilh water supply, i.e., 52 per cent of gallons per head per day. In Delhi the urban people are left without and New Delhi, it is 130 million ga any water supply. Herein I may add llons a day for a population of 2.66 that about 76 per cent have been left millions; that works out approxi without any sewage schemes. This is mately to 50 gallons per head per the state of affairs after three Five- day. In Bombay, it is 220 million Year Plans, after 19 years of un gallons a day for a population of interrupted rule by our own masters. 4.15 millions, which works out app I do not think that the deficiency will roximately to 53 gallons per head be wiped out in any sizeable measure per day. Therefore, whereas for even in the Fourth Five-Year Plan. Bombay it is 53 gallons per head per For the three Five-Year Plans, for day, for Delhi 50 gallons, for Calcutta rural parts, they have spent only 35 gallons and for Bangalore 25 Rs. 44 crores. I think now for rural gallons per head, for Madras it is water schemes they are going to only 17i gallons per head per day. provide Rs. 183 crores— it has been This is apart form the industrial stated so. How far the (fljiancial uses; the other uses are to be inclu target is going to be achieved and ded in this. Therrfore, in Madras, how far the target laid down will be the shortage is felt more; the shor completed is yet to be seen. Even tage is keenly felt in the City of Mad by spending Rs. 44 crores throughout ras; it is felt more in the City of Mad the first three Plan periods, one can ras than anywhere else. Therefore, see that we have been able to touch there is a more urgent need, only 3 of the rural villages and an immediate urgency, to augment about half of the urban population water supply in the City of Madras. is still left without water. Suppose Industries now existing in the City of we increase it to four times, I do Madras are not able to get adequate not know how far the gap is going to water supply for their functioning. be filled. Therefore, it becomes a bar, an obs tacle, for new industries to come up. If any new industry has to be start 15.38 hrs. ed, they want adequate water supply for its functioning and when that is [Shri Sham Lal Sapaf in the Chair] denied, industrialisation, t© a very large extent, is being hampered and As I said, I have taken the specific ob.structed. Also, the sanitation of the case of the City of Madras so far as City is also in great peril. If adequate drinking-water supply is concerned. protected water is not given, so n*any The population of Madras is about 2 diseases, especially water-borne millions, i.e., 20 lakhs. The Corpo diseases like cholera and filariasis are ration of Madras City is able to let loose in those parts of the coun supply only about 35 million gallons try...... a day; it works out to about 17i gallons per head per day in the City of Madras. Why I pinpoint the City of Madras while all the other Cities w ^ i I are also having acute shortage of drinking water is because in Madras Mr. Chalnnan: The bell Is being it is more acute than any other part rung. of the country. Take, fo r example, Bangalore; there, the dailv supply Now there is quorum. The hon. of drinking water is 30 million gal Member may continue. lons for a population of 1.2 million; Shrl Sezhlyan: Drinking water approximately it comes to 25 gallons supply to Madras is very limited be per head per day., In Calcutta, it cause drinking water to Madras City 2583 Drinking Water NOVEMBER 10, 1966 for Madras (Res.) 2584 [Shri Sezhiyan] now depends on Poondi reservoir There is also another scheme which and Cholavaram and Red Hills lakes, is under examination by Government for about 35 million gallons a day, but with UN assistance, and that is seek there is no perennial river to feed ing water from under-ground sources these lakes. Th ey depend mostly on in the near vicinity of Madras city. the North-East monsoon for water. In spite of all these schemes, whether Whenever there is a failure of mon it is from underground or from open soons, the City is put to task and ground or from the U.S.A. under often crisis occurs whenever there is PL-480 or any other law, the fact a drought or failure of monscon. remains that there is no adequate Therefore, as a long-term arrange drinking water for Madras. If we ment, three or four schemes have open the taps there, they only weep, been suggested for the past thirty and that too only for about two hours. years; one scheme or the other is Afterwards, nothing is left, and the mooted on paper and it is investi tap is as dry as anything else. As I gated, but still there is no water from said earlier, we depend on the north the taps to the city of Madras. east monsoon. If the monsoon fails, then the entire city has to go without Dr. Ranen Sen (Calcutta East): drinking water. If food is scarce, I The same is the position in Calcutta could understand it , but even water also. is scarce after these fifteen years of planning, and we are left with only Shri Sezhiyan: That is why I have weeping taps and dry tanks. prefaced my observations on this resolution by saying that this reso There are three schemes which are lution is a specific one relating to feasible and which can provide water Madras, but the same situation pro to the city and which have been fully bably prevails in most of the cities investigated. If only Government and in the rural parts also. pay some attention to these schemes they can provide drinking water to the Mr. Chairman: Madras has every city. Even though Madras is about sympathy from the hon. Member. 1300 miles away from here, and the capital is not located there, Govern Shri Sezhiyan: I am speaking ment should feel the distress of the specifically about Madras, because it people in those distant parts. is more acute in Madras than in other cities. There arc about two or three im portant schemes which have been When I had tabled a question during investigated and which are feasible the last session about water supply and which can be taken up immedia to the city of Madras, I was told that tely to give water to the city of Mad some interim measures were being ras. The first one is the Krishna- suggested. One was the construction Pennar scheme. Even the Gulati of an open-lined channel from Satya- Commission had made a specific re murthisagar to Poondi reservoir and commendation on this matter, and the two other channels leading to the Government of India also have agreed Red Hills Lake; the second was the to the allotment of 15,000 million acquisition of about 7500 acres of c. ft. of water per day for the city of ayacut lands so that that water can Madras by the three States of Maha be conserved for provision of drink rashtra, Mysore and Andhra Pradesh, ing water supply to Madras; the third that is, 5 TMC by each from the rivers scheme was to raise the full tank Krishna and Godavari. We do not levels at Red Hills and Sholavaram know how far that report is going to Lakes. These are only interim mea be implemented. There is a conten sures which have been suggested. tion which has not yet been settled 2585 Drinking water KARTTKA 19, 1888 (S A K A ) for Madras (Res.) 258^ In regard to this mater. Next to but specific schemes which can give boundary disputes, water dispute is drinking water to the people. We the greatest dispute between the Sta do not want anything else; at least tes. I do not know when that dispute we want some drinking water to the will be settled amicably and when Madras city, and that should be pro Madras city will be able to get water. vided at the earliest earmarked date. What often happens is that when one It is also understood that Minister comes, he starts a plan and the availability of this quan it is there on paper, and then he goes tity of water for the city of away; then, another Minister comes, Madras will be dependent on the and he revises the scheme, and then interlinking of the rivers Godavari, there is a tribunal and then a com Krishna and Pennar. Though the mission and so on. The net result allotment of 15 TMC of water purely of all this is that there is no water for drinking water purposes has been for the common man living in the approved, the site of supply, the small shanties and the small parts method of conveyance and so many of the city. other details have not yet been de cided. At this rate, it may take Therefore, I plead with the fair two or three decades for them to lady who is now holding this port settle these things, and afterwards, folio to see that water supply is they have to link up the rivers and given at the earliest in a concrete then the water has to come to Mad way to the city of Madras. ras after passing through these dis Shrl Narendra Singh Mahida putes and other things. (Anan d): The resolution seeks to say that the Government of India Therefore, the immediate and most should provide financial assistance to useful scheme will be to bring water the State Government of Madras for from the Cauvery itself. There are a scheme to provide adequate supply two schemes in this regard. One of drinking water to the city of is to bring water the Coleroon to Madras. the Viranam lake and' from there to My hon. friend the Mover of the bring water to the Madras city. That Resolution is thinking of Madras only. is one scheme which is feasible. But what about Bombay? What There is also another scheme, namely about Delhi? What about the claims the gravity scheme to be taken from of the other large cities? Jaderpalavam; I understand that that needs investigation further. But Mr. Chairman: The resolution is a the Cauvery scheme has been fully specific one. investigated, and the Madras Corpo Shrl Narendra Singli MahU: I am ration has made very specific and only discussing the question whether very useful recommendations in this he needs more or we need more. But. regard, the investigations have been above all, the claims of the rural completed, and the matter is also be papulation should be first considered. fore Government. That will cost Is the Mover of the resolu about 17J crores. That is the capital tion aware that in the desert areas of expenditure. The annual recurring Rajasthan, rain is a rare visitor, and expenditure will come to about Rs. drinking water is as precious as life 35 lakhs only. But that expenditure blood. Water jars are kept under of Rs. 35 lakhs can help to augment lock and key. In the villages of the supply with 40 million gallons Bikaner, Barmar and Jaisalmer, the more for the city of Madras. women spend about seven to eight As I said earlier, the water supply hours a day to bring water from situation in Madras is very acute and wherever it is available. The well- in a very awkward posture. Gove to-do people build reservoirs in their rnment should come forward with houses to store rain-water, and to specific schemes, not paper schemes, people who ask for water, they would 2587 Drinking Water NOVEMBEIR 10, 1066 for Madras (R ««.) 2588 [Shri Nar^ndra Singh Mahida ] say ‘we shall give you milk or ghee, ple are living in these villages; two but please do not ask for water’. thirds of our villagers live in areas Water is brought to many places in which are far away from the rivers special carts and carriages and some or from canals or from well-main times it is sent by train. So, Madras tained tanks. During the last nine can wait for some years: the need of teen years more than seven lakh the rural population is much greater. water wells have been dug to pro vide drinking water to the villages; yet about one-third of the people are Shri Nambiar: (Tirucherapalli); awaiting the facility of drinking What is this? ' He is opposing the water. This includes my village of resolution. We thought that he would Mandwa in Gujarat. Something like support the resolution. Rs. 70 crores were spent in the 1st and 2nd Five Year Plans to provide Shri Narendra Singh Mahida: Dur piped-water supply in towns and ing these nineteen years of Indepen simple w e’ls and hand pumps in dence, all the lakhs villages in our rural areas. Under the 3rd Plan, a country have not been assured of pure sum of Rs. 67 crores was provided water to drink in enough quantity. for this purpose. The 4th P ’an pro The problem of drinking water is poses to allocate a sum of Rs. 125 somewhat difTerent in the villages crores for the work of supplying from what it i.s in towns. drinking water to the villages. A sum of Rs. 247 crores has been earmark Almost every town today has piped ed for urban water suply schemes supply of drinking water. The num which covers Madras. At the end ber of people living in towns includ of the Fourth Plan, we shall have ing the big cities is now 10 crores; given drinking water to rough'y 80 that is about 20 per cent of our popu per cent of our population. We have, lation. When India became free, not fortunately, enough water in India even one-fifth of these towns had a in the rivers, in the springs and reasonably safe supply of drinking beneath the earth and in the seas. water. The nimiber of people living But we shall have to wait for some in towns and also the number of towns time. The task is enormous because themselves have increased remark it was neglected for 200 years and ably since Independence. This has more til^ we began to attack it after put a severe strain on the water sup independence. The current obstacles ply system in the town including are mostly of money as our economy Madras. This is the reason why the grows, prosperity w ill come and in supply of drinking water in the urban another 15 years the supply of pure areas is not always adequate. The drinking water will have ceased to tap even in Delhi works only for a be a problem. Therefore, there is few hours of the day, and often in no need for this Resolution and it the dry season cuts are imposed. shouM be rejected. Sometimes the water is found to be less pure than it should be. Mr. Chairman: How much time will the Minister take to reply? Nearly 80 per cent of our people live in the villages. The 1901 census The Minister of Health and Family counted 5,59,000 villages ---- Planing (Dr. Snshlla Nayar): About Mr. Chairman: Why should the 15—20 minutes. hon. Member not come to the subject Shri Nambiar: I am very thankful straightway? to the hon. Mover, Shri Sezhiyan, for Shri Narendra Singh Mahida: I bringing forward such a forthright am pointing out hat his need is not Resolution to focus attention on the greater than ours. 36 crores of peo appalling condition that Is prevallllng 2589 Drinking water K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) for Madras (Res.) 2590 in the City o f Madras and also in the in Trichinopoly. I had discussed that State of ^dras. matter in the District Development Perhaps you may remember that Council only the day before I arrived we had the worst cyclone ever here. The scheme for the supply of known in history for the last 200 water to Trichinopoly requires a lot years. It affected the City of Madras of money. The Development Coun and the ^districts near aboAt going cil has requested the Madras Govern up to South Arcot and the Chingle- ment to give us money whereas we put districts. In view of that, the know that the Madras Government little water supply that we had is itself has asked the Centre for finan also threatened to be ruined. Most of cial help. Therefore, when reaching our tanks are already breached and water to the citizens of Trichinopoly communications as well as popula is such a problem, I do not know to tions are all effected. what extent it is possible for Cauve ry water to be lifted another 200 The condition of Madras City and miles north to Madras City. The suburbs is such that immediate help whole thing looks fantastic, as it should come from the Centre. Even stands today. But the Centre must the Chief Minister, Shri Bhaktavat- come to our rescue and see that the salam, in his statement on the floor people of Madras City as well as the of the State Assembly has admitted people of Trichinopoly and Sriran- that the situation is such that the gam get drinking water. State could not manage by iself and help should come from the Centre. Shri Mahida referred to conditions in the villages.. . In this background, the question of water supply to the City of Madras Mr. Chairman: That is not covered is very important and has become an by the Resolution. urgent issue. The Centre must think 5n terms of rendering aid, particularly Shri Nambiar: He spoke of condi on the question of supply of water. tions in villages in Rajasthan and I can state without fear of contradic elsetwiiefe. I can understand the tion that the question of water supply people of Rajasthan not having water to Madras City and likewise in the In villages. But we in our villages, State as a whole has attracted the near the Cauvery, the great mother attention of the Madras Govern Cauvery, are not getting water, for ment. But what to do? The Madras drinking purposes. We have a scheme Government has not got the resour that no village should be without ces. It asks for resources from the drinking water. That has been intro Centre. The scheme which costs duced by the Madras Government. Rs. 17i crores cannot be financed by This applies particularly to villages the Madras Government alone. For where Harijans live, Unfortimately, instance, I know that a scheme to we do not have drinking water in al bring water to Madras City from most all the villages on the side of Cauvery is under consideration. I the r?ver Cauvery. am on the bank of the Cauvery, in Trichinopoly. But Trichinopoly does 16 hn. not get water. So I would request the hon. Mr. Chairman: So he has no water Minister to do her best to give sanc problem. tion of the requisite amount to the State of Madras so that drinking Shri NambUr: That is the paradox water is made available. of it. Both Trichinopoly and Sriran- gam are on either side of the Cauve- Shri V. B. Gandhi (Bombay Cen rv. But unfortunately for us, in the tral South): The people of Madras Cauvtery area we are not getting deserve our sympathy and we are drinking water. We have a scheme bound to support the very eloquent :259 I Drinking Water NOVEMBER 10, 1966 for Madras (Res.) 259z [Shri V. B. Gkuidhi] plea made by Shri Sezhiyan. I did saline because it is so near the sea not want to participate in this de and is unfit for drinking. There is bate, but as I was listening to Shri no river or canal near the city to Sezhiyan, I found that in the list of supply drinking water. To the m il various proposals and projects he lions of people in Madras City, drink mentioned as being under considera ing water is at present supplied from tion, discussion or execution, he for the Red Hills Reservoir. But this re got to mention one source about servoir often fails when rains fail, which I know something. That is de and rains frequently fail in Madras salination of sea water for Madras city and around. There have been City. That is a scheme which w ill meagre rains during the last two make Madras independent of rainfall. years and this has caused terrible That is being very seriously consi hardship to millions of people in dered by the Government of India. I Madras city, and people are suffer happen to know something about the ing very much in Madras because of progress of that scheme because I scarcity of water. It is a very pain am on the consultative committee on ful sight to see a large number of atomic energy. Madras City is going people, men and women, standing to be the first city in India which in queues in the morning and even have a power reactor which will ing hours near a tap to get a few serve a dual purpose ---- drops of water. There is terrible hardship and suffering in Madras Mr. Chairman: Your problem is city because of this shortage of being solved. drinking water. Both the Central and State Governments should join Shri Nambiar; That is a paper together and consult together and do scheme. something to relieve the terrible dis Shri V. B. GandU: It will be a tress, experienced by the people of Madras. dual-purpose reactor, that is to say, it w ill produce power of about 200 mgw and also produce desalinated The way-out to get drinking water sea water. for the people of Madras is taking water from the Cauvery or the Shii Nambiar: We want it to Krishna. Mr. Sezhiyan referred to materialise. Then we w ill be thank two schemes for taking water from ful. the Cauvery and the Krishna. Those two schemes have been talked about. Shri V. B. Gandhi: I suppose that The Madras and Central Govern ought to give a certain amount of ments have talked about these; but satisfaction to Shri Sezhiyan and the they have not been seriously investi people of Madras. gated. The Central Government Shri Mnthiah (Tirunelveli): Mr. should immediately come to the help Chairman, I wholeheartedly support of the Madras Government to inves the Resolution moved by my hon. tigate and implement this scheme of friend, Shri Sezhiyan. Madras City taking water either from the Cau was recently upgraded to ‘A ’ cate very or the Krishna. gory. The population of the city today is about 20 lakhs and it is al I think, water can be more easily ways increasing from year to year. supplied from the Krishna from near More and more houses and institu Vijayawada, which is about 200 miles tions, more and more factories and away. A canal can be constructed plants are springing up in Madras from the right bank of the Krishna and around Madras. So there is an to take water to the city of Madras. increasing demand for drinking I have -been informed that high level water. Water in the city wells is ta’ ks have gone on for some years 2593 linking water K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) for Madras (Res.) 2594 betwe en the Madras and Andhra Eight months or one year back the Governments over tjhis ma^tter, and Mayor of Madras came to Delhi and that the Andhra Government is w ill wanted to meet our Health Minister ing to give some percentage of the as also our Irrigation Minister, Dr. Krishna water to Madras city for K. L. Rao. Unfortunately it did not drinking purposes, and the cost has materialise so far as our Health to be borne by the Madras Govern Minister was concerned, but we met ment. Under the circumstances, I Dr. K. L. Rao, and we discussed appeal to the Central Government to about the Cauvery plan, and if my give very liberal aid to the Madras memory is correct— that will never Government to implement the scheme fail according to me— Dr. K. L. Rao to take water from the Krishna or assured us that the scheme would d“- the Cauvery to Madras city in order finite’y be taken up in the fourth plan, to relieve the distress of the millions and would materialise. Not only that. in Madras city. He wrote a specific letter to the Mayor of the Madras Corporation stat Shri Manoharan (Madras South); ing that this scheme will definitely I support the resolution moved by be taken up and implemented. But my hon. friend Mr. Sezhiyan re now the situation is different, and it questing the Central Government to poses a different picture altogether. give the necessary financial assist ance and aid to the Government of The total availability of water to Madras for the implementation of the day to the people of Madras city is scheme which requires Rs, 17.35 32 to 35 million gallons, but this is crores for supply of drinking water. not adequate. This is for the people of Madras, but you should understand I cannot understand the request that the existing industries there re made by my hon. friend Mr. Mahida quire more water. The Madras Gov that Madras can wait. My request to ernment cannot supply the required Mr. Mahida, a responsible Member of water for the existing industries. That Parliament, is that no citizen of this poses another problem. There is not country should be asked to wait for only inadequate water supply to the drinking water. existing industries; by means of post poning the scheme I am afraid it des The city of Madras is considered to troys all possibility of new industries be one of the beautiful cities in coming up. I want to draw the atten India, and time and again Ministers tion of the Health Minister to this from the Central Government go particular issue, because the people there and appreciate the city, its of Madras may feel that the Centre beauty and its cleanliness. has got a stepmotherly attitude to wards them, and that the Centre does Mr. Chalmuui: The beach mainly. not like the people of Madras having new industries. Therefore. I request Shrl Nambiar: There are tourists the hon. Health Minister to consider from all over the world. that aspect of the issue. Shri Manobaran: The Health I have already told you that the Minister has herself said so many Corporation has drafted a scheme. The times that Madras is beautiful, not advantage of the scheme is the possi only the city proper, but places bility of suoplying water to about 50 around it, its culture etc. She was to 60 small towns from Veeranam lured and fascinated. I am afraid lake to Madras and villages en route the beauty spot of India may be for a distance of 140 mi’es from the sipoiled through not assisting lihe Cauvery to the city. The cost of Government of Madras in implement maintenance of the scheme for bring ing the scheme which has been draft ing 40 million gallons of water by ed by the Corporation of Madras. pumping from the Cauvery river i? 2595 Drinking Water NOVEM BER 10, 1966 for Madras (Res.) 25^ [Shri Manoharan] estimated at Rs. 35 lakhs includ iflft qo Hfo (»T»rPpn:) : ing filtration at the source and maintenance of the pumps. It is expected that a share of this I exiHjnse can be met by the reve nue receipts of the Corporation. I request the hon. Minister who is very t I sympathetic to the people of Madras, in fact to the people of India as a Shri Muhammad Ismail: Mr. Ma- whole, to see how best she can exert hida pointed out the acute shortage of her influence on the thinking of the drinking water in his part of the Central Government to see that the country as well. It is not a fact that scheme is implemented as early as we do not sympathise with the suf possible. ferings of the people anywhere even for the elementary need for water. The onfy objection which the Gov That is no reason why he should ob ernment is going to put forward is ject to the people of Madras city and lack of funds. This becomes the order other places having good supply of of the day, almost the menace of the water. There is a difference between day. I envisage she is going to plead Rajasthan and Madras and that dif lack of funds. To meet that an alter ference is in the availability of water native suggestion is given by the Cor nearby. In Madras with an expen poration. The Corporation of Madras diture of about Rs. 17.5 crores you car. can be permitted to raise a loan from get suflficient water. You have got the public or from the life Insurance water nearby. You should also con Corporation as was done by the V ija sider the fact that water is not made yawada Municipality. available to the people of Madras be cause of the lack of such a small fund I want to stress this simply because when compared to the huge expen as my hon. friend Mr. Sezhiyan sug diture that is being incurred on the gested and Mr. Nambiar endorsed— Five Year Plans. With only Rs. 17.5 everybody is in agreement with it— crores you can make Madras come up drinking water is most important, it to the level of Calcutta— not exceed is really shameful that alter 19 years Calcutta— in the matter of water sup of independence and uninterrupted ply. Our friend Shri Mahida said that rule of the Congress Party, a member Maras was well off when compared to from one of the leading cities in other cities like Delhi and Bombay. India, Madras, has to come forward Perhaps he had not heard the figures yrith the plea: please give us drinkinj^ given by the Mover. The ratio bet water, otherwise the people of Madras ween Madras and Calcutta is 1:2; the w ill col’ apse. It is shameful, it is ratio between Madras and Bombay is really excruciating, and I hope the 1:3. in the matter of water supply, hon. Minister w ill consider the senti Madras city is the most suffering ments expressed by the House on the city. Therefore, I plead with the resolution moved by my friend Mr. Government, this is one of the sche Seahiyan. mes which must be taken up so as to relieve the long suffering city of Shri Mnhammad Ismail (Manjeri): Madras by providing adequate water I would like to say a few words. supply. Mr. Chairman: I am sorry, there is no time left. Dr. Sushila Nayar: Mr. Chaiiroan, I am glad that the subject of water Shri Muhammad Ismail: One or supply has come up for discussion two sentences. even though the Resolution specifi Mr. Chairman: Two minutes. cally relates to the needs of Madras. 2 5 ^ Drinking water K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) for Madras {Res.) 2598 There are no two opinions that most powe r and industry and certain other of our big cities are in need of aug things which are also, I have no mentation of their water supplies and doubt, important but at the same liie schemes that can bring water time water is a basic necessity of life. from long distances to meet the needs Therefore this need should be met as of these big cities are expensive sche quickly as possible. mes. There are no two opinions that our villages are also equally in need Shri Manoharan: Are you sug of water supply. But may I say that gesting that State Ministers are not this argument of Mr. Sezhiyan that accepteing the directive from the only 17,000 villages had been given Centre? water supply in the Three Plans is not quite correct. The supply of Dr. Sushila Nayar: It is not a water to the villages is primarily question of anybody not accepting given in the form of wells and only the directions. Probably, the hon. in certain areas where for specific Members themselves may be asking reasons pipe water supply is consi the Ministers in the States to bring dered necessary, pipe water supply to their area this industry or this is given. The seven lakhs of wells project or that project and therefore that had been dug in the villages the Ministers in the States are also have taken care of a very large torn between different requirements. number of villages. There are some W e are doing our level best to have villages where, for reasons of geolo our allocation which we consider to gical fromation of the land or for be far too inadequate, spent on water other reasons, w els had not proved supply schemes; we have Rs. 373 crOres successful or feasible, and these against the requirement of Rs. 1500 piped water supply schemes are ne crores according to the experts. But cessary. Government is aware of the Wc want at least these Rs. 373 crores importance of water supply and that to be spent for water supply pro is why in the Fourth Plan we have jects to meet the basic and urgent provided for Rs. 373 crores for water, need of the people. Schemes and which is more than the moneys pro priorities within each State will na vided in all the three previous Plans turally be decided by the States them put together. Having made this pro selves. The hon. Member Mr. Mano vision, the further action is not with haran stated that if we do not have the Government of India; it is with funds we should allow the Corpora the State Govemiments themselves. tion to raise loans. I do not think They have to provide all that they that is in any way really relevant, require within their plans. The Gov because whether it is the corporation ernment of India advances loans. or It is the State Government or the Whatever loans are necessary and Grovernment of India that raises the are included in the State plan, can loans, the kitty out of which the be made available. I am, T might say, money has to come is the some. The having a strange experience. On the Plan has taken into consideration one hand there is a strong feeling the total re. Dr. Soshila Nayar: Even the India, it makes no difference. (In moneys available from the UC are terruption). If there is interrupUon calculated while calculating the total at every stage, Sir, it wiU be difficult resources for the Plan; it is not that for me to finish my reply in 15 to 20 something is left out. If the Govern minutes. ment of Madras and the Corporation of Madras decide that Madras scheme Mr. Chairman: There are two or should be given a higher priority, three more minutes. there w ill be no difficulty from our side. W e are trying to do our best. Dr. SushUa Nayar: I request you As was mentioned by Shri Gandhi, to give me 10 more minutes. the desalination project too is being Mr. Chairman: There is no time. started in Madras. In the current financial year, the State Government Dr. Sushila Nayar: Otherwise, I of Madras had asked for Hs. 175 lakhs cannot reply to all the points. Now, for water supply schemes of the the necessity for the augmentation of Corporation of Madras and a sum of water-supp y to the city of Madras Rs. 150.54 lakhs for other water sup is admitted. The present supply is ply and drainage schemes. As against inadequate, and therefore, the matter this, the Government of India have has been under the consideration of allocated Rs. 340 lakhs and we had the State Government for sometime. suggested to them to use Rs. 170 lakhs The schemes for bringing water from for the water suply scheme of the the river Cauvery, and the Pennar- corporation and a similar amount for Krishna scheme, etc., are all under other urban water supply schemes active examination. Pending the which they feel must be taken up. finalisation of these long-term and Shri Manoharan: Please excuse me costly schemes, there are certain for the interruption. To the question other measures that have been taken as to what prevents the Government to give immediate relief. There are of India from agreeing to the pro some 7,500 acres of wet lands under posal put forward by the Corporation the Red Hills and Cholavaram tanks. for getting loans from the LIC, you The Government is acquiring those said something about the total availa lands and money has been provided to bility of resources, this and that. them for paying compensation. A How was it possible for the munici high-powered committee was appoin pality of Vijayawada to do the same? ted and this high-powered committee decided that these lands shou’d be Mr. Chairman: I will put it like acquired, and Rs. 210 lakhs were this. What he wishes to convey is, provided for payin? comoensation for whether there is any ban on the part these lands. Out of the 7.500 acres of of the Government, which is put on land, 6,000 odd acres of land have the Corporation, on raising loans. already been acquired by the 15th July, 1966. The proposal of the State Dr. SushUa Nayar: I understand Government now is to convert them that there are certain restrictions on into drylands and then return them raising 'oans by the municipalities, to the owners of those lands. This because the resources are limited and will give seven to eight million gal the State Governments have to un lons of extra water-supp’y to Mad derwrite the loans raised by the muni ras. cipalities. You, Sir, have been Finance Minister yourself and so you know The second thing that has been the diflficulties. I am not in a posi done is this: the water channel which tion to give deUils but I do Imow is coming from Poondi reservoir to this that if a Ioanns to be raised, Red Hills Lake resulting in a lot of whether the loan comes from the loss of water in transit—it is esti LIC or from the Government of mated that 500 million eft of water 26gi Drinking water KARTIKA,19, 18S8 (S A K A ) for Madras (Res.) 2602 are lost at present. The scheme is to that the villages also w ill have to construct a lined channel to prevent be looked after. In the beginning of wastage of this water, at a cost of Rs. my speech itself I have said it. When 85 lakhs. The first stage of this I say that water-supply to the city scheme, which consists of pucca chan should be improved, it does not mean nel from Poondi to Tamarapakkam, I am excluding other areas. The covering a distance of 9-112 miles at shortage is more acutely felt in the an estimated cost of Rs. 64 lakhs was Madras city area. Regarding the sug taken up in September, 1964, and is at gestion made by Mr. Gandhi, I also present under execution by the Cor had those particulars, but I did not poration of Madras. The question want to saddle the House with so whether the execution of this scheme many details. Nuclear power also ia can be taken over by the State Gov- thought of. The Madras Corporation rrnment themselves is under exami has made a preliminary examination nation. of the possibility of desalination of sea water, but has not proceeded fur In the second stage, the work of ther with this proposal owing to the constructing the channel will be con present shortage and high cost of tinued from Tamarapakkam to Cho- available fuels. It was, however seen lavaram tank. that the cost couM be considerably reduced if power production through The third project to increase the Thermal Stations is also linked with •water-supply immediately is that of this scheme. The cost will of course raising the full tank level, the Red be further reduced to a considerable Hills and Cholavaram tanks, so that extent when nuclear power, becomes if they are raised by two feet, can available near Madras at Kalpakkam. collect more water and an additional* So, it is dependent on another 4J0 million eft in Red Hills and 270 scheme. million eft in Cholavaram can be stored when available. This scheme Regarding the short-term schemes estimated to cost Rs. 15.72 lakhs was mentioned by the Minister, I also re sanctioned in August 1965, and has ferred in my speech to 7500 acres of been included in the Fourth Plan. ayaput lands at Sholavaram lake, raising the full tank levels of the Red Hills and so on. But these are all Thus, it will be seen that the Gov short-term measures and they would ernment of India has not been slack in providing funds or doing anything not give a permanent cure for the that they should have done. Under malady of Madras city. the circumstances, I would request Regarding the 17,000 villages, I do my hon. friend not to press his re not know why the Minister should be solution and to withdraw it. I assure averse to it. I have taken those him that we on our side are as an figures from the Fourth Five Year xious as my hon. friends from Madras Plan, page 349, para 46. It says: for pursuing these schemes and im proving the water-supply to Madras. “Altogether 644 schemes of I have no hesitation in once again re rural water supply were approv iterating that Madras beach is one of ed, during the first three Plans at the most beautiful beaches in the an estimated cost of Rs. 44.21 world. Madras is a very nice city crores. Most of the schemes sanc and most of the people of Madras are tioned during the first two plans very nice and we would like to help have already been completed. them and are already doing our best. The projlects sanctioned during the third plan have also been Shrl Se*hiyan: Sir, I am thankful mostly completed within that to the hon. members who have given period. About 17000 villages have their unanimous support to my re already been provided with piped solution, except Mr. Mahida. He said water supply.” 2603 Drinking Water NOVEMBER 10, 1966 for Madras (Res,) 2604 [Shri Sezhiyan] That is what I quoted. It is lor the Mr. duUrman: He is not complain Minister to consult the Planning ing against the Central Government Commission about the correctness of alone. He is complaining against the the figures. I am not at war with her; local government, the State Govern I am only concerned with water-sup ment and, naturally, the Central ply to Madras city. Government will have to take some She said it is for the Madras Gov- responsibility. ernrtient to ask for the schemes. The Shri Sezhiyan: The State Govern State Governments are always very liberal in submitting schemes. It is ment cannot function by itself. It is the Centre and the Planning Commis a sum of Rs. 17.5 crores. Definitely it has to come from the Centre. The sion who scrutinise those schemes and give sanction. She said that for Centre knows it fully. Therefore, it the urban water supply schemes of is the responsibility of the Centre la Madras, Rs. 170 lakhs have been pro look into the state of this Corpora vided. In terms of lakhs it is very tion. The Corporation cannot afford, the city of Madras cannot afford. If large, but in terms of crores, it is only Rs. 1.7 crores. To bring water a scheme is submitted to the Corpo ration, the Corporation sends it to the from Veeranam lake in Cauvery to Madras, it w il cast Rs. 17J .crores, Madras Government and the Madras Government sends it up over here. which is 10 times Rs. 1.7 crores. So, Probably, from here it is sent to at this rate, unless we wait for 10 five Washington or Moscow, and in the year plans, we cannot finish this end we do not get water. scheme. Dr. Susliila Nayar: That is one Mr. Chairman: In the light of what year’s allocation I have indicated. the Minister has said, what are you The big scheme is not yet finalised. going to do with your resolution? Why should he distort my words? Shri Sezhiyan: Sir. this is an in Shri Sezhiyan: I want to know nocuous resolution. It has got support how long it will take for finalising from all sides. I press my resolu the scheme. For 20 years, you have tion. I hope the House will accept not been able to finalise it. After 3 it. It is only a request to the Govern five year plans you have not been ment. It is for the Government to able to give drinking water to a city. look into the matter and decide I want to know for how many more early. I am not putting any stringent decades we have to wait, for how conditions. It is a formal request for many plans we have to wait and how .•supplying drinking water. It is a re many more crores have to be spent. quest to a lady for drinking water in Rs. 20,000 crores have already been a city and I hope it will be acceptcd sunk in the three Plans. Another R.s. with grace and fairness. 22.000 crores is going to be sunk in the Fourth Plan. Out of this Rs. Shri Nambiar: It can be accepted. 22.000 crores we w ill get Rs. 1.7 It is not making any commitment on crores. A t this rate, for how many the part of the Government. centuries will we have to wait? By that time the beautiful city, the nice Dr. Sushila Nayar: I have already city of Madras may become an arid explained that they asked for less desert without a drop o:^ water. It amount whereas we have provided wil] be reduced to that state. more than what was asked. We have provided Rs. 340 lakhs against their Dr. Snshila Nayar: They have to demand which was less than that. do it at the State level. They have What is the point in their asking us to take it up in the State legislature. that we should give more? What they 2605 Nationalisation K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (SAKA) of Banka (Res.) 26c6 have to do is that they should take it Second Five Year Plan, the Econo up in their own place, because mists’ Panel recommended to the against Rs. 314. lakhs asked for, we Planning Commission the acceptance have made an allocation of Rs. 340 of the demand of nationalisation of lakhs for the current year. I do not banks. But since then, the Govern know what more the Government ©f ment of India has persistently re India can do. I am not able to accept fused to accept this demand which the resolution for that reason; other has been accepted by the nation as a wise, we have every sympathy and whole. What is the position of the we assure the friends from Madras Government of India nowadays? The that we will give all support to the Congress Party has come to realise Madras water supply schemes. that the slogan of nationalisation of banks has become a national slogan. Sliri Namblar: If the sprit of the Having realised this, the Congress resolution is accepted, the form also Party wanted to humbug the people. can be accepted. Though water may Therefore, they distorted the slogan not go there the spirit and sympathy by ca’ling it social control of banks, may go there. thereby trying to utilize the senti ments behinds the demand of the Shri Manoharan: She herself has people. The latest slogan even in the accepted that it will be looked into. Congress election manifesto bears Now it is for the House to resolve. out the truth that the demand for nationalisation of banks has become Mr. Chairman The question is: a national demand. All fore-sighted people make this demand. But, at the "This House is of opinion that s.qme time, because the Congress the Government should provide Party serves the interests of big sufficient financial assistance to bankers and industrialists, it tries to the State Government of Madras circumvent this demand by distort for early implementation of a ing it, by using beautifully vague scheme to provide adequate sup phrases like social control over ply of drinking water to the city banks; God alone knows of Madras.” what social control over banks means. I do not mean to say that if The motion was negatived. the banks are nationalised the next day socialism will come in India; it does not take place just like that. 16.39 hrs But, in the interests of the national economy, which is in a distressing RESOLUTION RE: NATIONALI condition, the banks should be nation SATION OF BANKS alised, and my Resolution is for that. Dr. Ranen Sen (Calcutta East): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I beg to move: What is the position of the national “This House is of opinion that, economy today? In the matter of pro in the interest of holding the duction, whether agricultural or in price line, mobilising internal re dustrial, we are in a very critical sources and checking speculation, condition. Our balance of payments immediate measures be taken for position is very bad. The price rise nationalisation of the private has become so high, so steep that banks.” even in the draft outline of the Fourth Plan it has been stated that Sir, it is well known that in its eco the index rose by 86 per cent, a much nomic programme, in the year 1948, larger increase than had occurred in the Indian National Congress had ad the preceding ten years. The Econo vocated the nationalisation of private mic Adviser states that during the banks. Later on, on the eve of the last one year there has been a rise of ^607 Nationalisation NOVEMBER 10, 1966 of Banks (R^s.) 2608 [Dr. Ranen Saa] 23 per cent. The UNI survey made group of families behind it— all big some time ago of retail prices in business that rules today, steel, cot India shows that there is an increase ton, textiles, jute, shipping, every of 30 per cent in three months after thing. Now, these big monopolies devaluation. The price rise is going control the banks though their share on, and Government have no machi is very little and they manipulate nery to check it. The measure which the money of others. How? I am I am suggesting, namely, the nation going to give you a few quotations alisation of banks, is one of the mea from the Reserve Bank bulletin. sures which can control this price There are 68 scheduled banks exclu rise to a very large extent. ding 14 exchange banks. Out of those 68 scheduled banks and those 14 ex One of the objectives of our Con change banks there are, only 12 banks stitution is that concentration of which are considered to be really big wea’th must be prevented and the banks. They have a total capital of Rs. disparities should be reduced to the 17.67 crores. But these 12 banks have minimum between the rich and the deposits of Rs. 1000 crores. Only poor. Due to the powerful strength twelve big families of India, more or of the banking business, which has less, attract 80 per cent of the deposit.s amalgamated itself with industry— today every year in India. These the industrial capital and financial banks are inter-locked with the in capital are merged today— the banks dustries. are more or less ruling the country. The bankers have their fingers on e\*ery industry today in India. I will Let me give you one example. As come to that later. I have said earlier, there has been centralisation and concentration of W e find from the recent report of finance capital. The Bank of Baroda the Monopolies Commission that there took over business of Tamilnad Cen are monopolies which have concen tral Bank and then that Bank gave tration of wealth in their hands. The loan to the Synthetics and Chemicals nationalisation of banks will do away Co. The Chairman was Mr. Tulsidas ■with this. What is the crisis that is Kilachand and the Chairman of this shaking the country? We are a testi particular industry was also the same mony to the existence of the deep gentleman. Then, there was a little crisis in our national economy. The scandal and so he was forced to re mere resignation of a Minister here sign. Then, one gentleman, Mr. R. D. or the sacking of a few Ministers Birla, of the Birla family was made there will not solve the problem. Not the Chairman and thereby this Birla tinkering with the problem can solve group and Kilachand group got in the crisis today. One of the measures ter-linked. That is inter-locking of that I have suggested today is the the interests in this way. Such is the nationalisation of banks. That will capital controlled by the banks to give us a whip hand over all the day. maladies that we find today in India. With the nationalisation of one of the big sectors of our economy which has Now, about deposits, there is ano given us a weapon to attack this ther interesting thing. Out of those problem, together with other measu 68 scheduled banks plus 14 exchange res. our national economy w ill be banks, the total deposit of 30 banks— helped to get out of the rut. I am reading from the Reserve Bank bulletin— at the end of 1964 was Rs. Who are these bankers? There are 2523 crores; in 1965, it was Rs. 2600 .only twelve bankers in India. There and odd crores and in August, 1966, are only twelve big banks in India the total deposit is to the tune of Rs. and each bank has a family or a 2871 crores. About four years back, 26og Nationalisation K A R T IK A 19, 1888 (S A K A ) of Banks (Res.) a6iO they had less than Rs. 2000 crores as 1964, 59.2 per cent; and in 1965, 61.5 deposits and now that banking busi per cent; they are investing in big ness has flourished as Hhe Reserve industries and not small industries. Bank bulletin shows. It is flourish Let us see how much they are inves ing like anything. This 'is the posi ting in agriculture. In 1963, it was tion of deposits. That means, with 0.3 per cent and in 1965, it was 0.2 very little capital of their own, they per cent. If you want to augment the can manipulate nearly Rs. 3000 crores agricultural production in the coun every year. That is more than the try, one of the ‘measures would be total amount spent during the First nationalisation of banks. But do not Five Year Plan. This is the position think that banks are not interested today. Therein lies the importance of in foodgrains and other things. How this Resolution. do they invest? That also is given in the Reserve Bank Bulletin. I am Now, about profits.... going to ^^uote. The scheduled banks advanced against food articles in Mr. Chairman: He may try to con 1959, Rs. »7.3 crores in 1962, 157.68 clude now. crores; and in 1965, 164.15 crores; every year it is mounting. Black- Dr. Ranen Sen: Why so early? marketing, hoarding and speculation are the activities of the banks. One Mr, Chairman: You may take 3 or of the reasons for India starving to 4 rrjinutes more. day is that the banks pre being manipulated by the big business and Dr. Rancn Sen; Not 3 or 4 minutes. the Government of India refuses to 1 am the mover of the Resolution. I nationalise banks. Therefore, with aU should at least get 20 to 25 minutes. the emphasis that I h^.vr, that I can About profits, the Reserve Bank re command, I say that this is a demand ports in “Trends and Progress of which should be accepted by the Banking in India in 1964” that the Government of India. Merely saying Bank has recorded “marked growth” social control of banks will not help and “higher profits’’. The total earn- in the matter. ing.s of 30 scheduled banks again show an increase of Rs. 13 crores over In this House and also utsi le, we 19()3. Each year it is jumping ’ ike hear about over-invoicing and under this, Tlierefore, these profits can be invoicing. It is known to everybody garnered for the interest of the na that bank is the channel through tion if the banks are taken over, il which the big business does this the banks are nationalised. Then, the over-invoicing and under-invoicing. whole of Rs. 3,000 crores can be uti A ll these v^ces that have grown in lised for proper planning for the de our country, thanks to this rule of velopment of national economy. the Congress Party for the last 19 years, have to be controUed; all these maladies should be effectively tackl Now let us see how these banks are investing. That is very interesting. ed and attacked and one of the wea Our Government sheds Crocodile pons to attack these maladies is na tionalisation of banks like nationali Tears for the plight of the agricul turists, for food deficits, in the coun sation of oil industry and so many other demands of the Indian people. try and gave an assurance to the Therefore, I submit that it is high people that we would grow more time that banks are nationalised. food and all that. Let us see how these banks invest. This is again from the Reserve Bank Bulletin, Now the question arises about com January, 1966, the latest one. In In pensation. Personally we are oppos dustry, in 1963 they have invested ed to paying any compensation. As I 17.2 per cent of their deposits; in have said, with a little investment of 26ii Nationalisation NOVEMBER 10, 1966 of Banks (Res.) 26x2: [Dr. Ranen Sen] With these words, 1 commend my money, the total would be somewhere resolution for the acceptance of the near Rs. 30 crores. The total of the House. paid-up capital in the big banks is somewhere near Rs. 30 crores today Mr. Chairman: Resolution moved: in 1966, in this month of November. "This House is of opinion that, Though we are opposed to paying in ■ the interest of holding the compensation, if the Congress Party price line, mobilising internal thinks that they should pay compen resources and checking specula sation to the big business that have tion, immediate measures be invested in banks and to all other taken for nationalisation of the people who have invested in banks, private banks.” . let them pay, but this should be a long-term compensation as was done There are some substitue resolu under the Estate Acquisition Act tions, and hon. Members who wish to when landlordism was abolished. move them may do so. Issue non-negotiable bonds for a Shri P. R. Chakraverti (Dhanbad): pretty long period; that will not I beg to move: affect our national economy at all. Gradually Government would be able That for the original resolu to pay off the loans. In the mean tion the following be substituted, time, the amount of profit that the namely: — banks get can be used to pay the “This House is of opinion that compensation. As I have pointed out with a view to enlarging public already, only 12 of these big banks and private savings and chan have been able to garner a profit of nelising these into priority in Rs. 13 crores in one year only. vestment and keeping down Therefore, whatever compensation inflationary pressure, effective may have to be paid can be paid off measures of social control over easily within a period of four or five private banks be taken.” . (1) years, and we can get enough money for strengthening the national econo Shri Shree Narayan Das (Darban- my and to put India on a different ga): I beg to move: footing. That for the original resolu tion, the following be substitut ed, namely: — As I have said already, - this has ‘This House calls upon the nothing to do with socialism, dicta Government to appoint a com torship or anything of the kind. mittee consisting of members of Even in Italy where there is not a Parliament and eminent econo socialist society and where there is mists to investigate as to what only a capitalist government, banks extent the operations of private have been nationalised. Therefore, banks have led to rise in prices the Government of India should and speculation and to consider take courage in both hands and the desirability and necessity of arrive at a real and bold decision to adopting immediate measures nationalise the big banks and private for nationalisation of the pri banks so that the main demand of the vate banks for mobilising in people can be satisfied. I hope, there ternal resources in national in fore, that these vague slogans will be terest. (2) given up by the Congress Party and Shri Ta.4ipal Singh (Kairana): I they w ill show some boldness in the beg face of the opposition from the big to morve: canker of industrialists because they That in the resolution, for *in are sure to oppose such ' a demand. the interest of holding the price 2613 Nationalisation KARTEKA 19, 1888 (S A K A ) of Banks (Res.) 2614 line, mobilising internal resour an unplanned economy. II we want to ces and checking speculation, im have a planned economy then it be mediate,’ substitute ‘suitable’ . (8) comes absolutely essential and it be comes inescapable that we should Shri Mutthiah: I beg to move; have full control over these credit in stitutions, because the whole economy is controlled by currency by the cir That in the resolution, after culation of money and by the credit •private insert scheduled’. (5) system. As my predecessor has said, we wanted to control prices, but so Mr. Chairman: Shri S. M. Baner- far we have failed to stabilise price.s. jee is not here to move his amend In the same way, we have failed to ment. The Resolution and these four evolve a system through which infla amendments are now before the tion could be curbed and controlled. House. So long as private banks have a free hand and continue to operate inde pendently, it will be impossible to Shri A. N. Vidyalankar (Hoshiar- con-trol inflation and stabilise prices. pur); So far as the purpose is con The circulation of money is directly cerned and the spirit of the resolu connected with the problem of infla tion is concerned, I think the whole tion, House is in favour of that. So far as my party, namely the Congress Party 17 hrs. is concerned, the Congress has never In a way these credit institutions rejected the principle of nationalisa function as the pumping station does tion. It has already nationalised the in a city. The pumping station circu State Bank of India; it has a^so nation lates water <0 the whole city. Or take alised life insurance. So, it has never another example. The heart functions felt shy of the principle of nationali as the pumping station and circulates sation where it was absolutely blood to the whole body. In the same necessary and it was practicable. way, these credit institutions, financial institutions and banking institutions perform the function of circulating Recently, the Congress Party has money. If the circulation of blood i^ decided or resolved, although in dif not proper, it means that the heart is ferent terms, th?t Government should not functioning properly. If the cir imipose social control on all banking culation of water in a city is defec and credit institutions. It depends on tive, it means that the pumping sta l>ow we define and look at the terms tion is not functioning properly. With '■social control’. Wllether social control out proper blood circulation, life be is a wide term or nationalisation is a comes perilous to the human body. In 'W id e r term depends on how we define the same way, these credit institu it, I think that social control is a tions play such a vital role, if any wider term, and when we say ‘social external body controls the heart, if control’ it includes nationalisation the heart is controlled by some other a n d something more than that. body, circulation suffers and life be comes impossible. Similarly, if the So far as the spirit is concerned, water pumping station in Delhi is con the Congress Party and I hope all the trolled by a private industrialist, sup [Shri A. N. Vidyalankar] who has read the Report of the and Shri Krishna Menon, defined ‘so Monopolies Inquiry Commission of cial control’ as going beyond nationali the Report of the Mahalanobis sation and expressed satisfaction at Committee would know how these the phrase adopted in the Congress banking institutions are function manifesto. I do not know what they ing and how monopoly is crea mean th e y say that social control is ted by these banks and credit institu more than nationalisation. I only know tions. Monopolistic tendencies in ' the that it is not nationalisation. Both Mr. economy can not be carved unless we Nijalingappa, Chief Minister of Mysore, have full control over these banking and Mr. S. K . Patil, have given it an institutions. opposite interpretation. When they were presiding over the sixtieth anni I have no quarrel with the word versary celebrations of the Canara ‘nationalisation’, nor am I against the Bank, both assured the banking indus words ‘social control’. In my opinion, try that social control did not mean both these expressions connote the nationalisation; they told them that same thing. I think that effective con they cou’d go ahead with expansion trol of these banking and other credit as much as they liked for nationalisa institutions is absolutely essential if tion was ruled out by social control. we want that our economy should be a progressive economy and the pur pose that we have set before us in our Here is confusion in the Congress Five Year Plans is to be achieved. Party, this confusion is deliberate, and has been created by two opposite Therefore, I support the spirit of the groups. What we are interested is not resolution. I am in favour of the something bigger, wider, more social; amendment of Shri Chakraverti. I We are interested in a small thing that think that would serve the purpose will take the country forward, we and would be consistent with the want a specific decision on nationali ideas that we have. The expression sation. and nationalisation of banks is ‘social control’ gives, in my opinion, a a very urgent necessity. wider connotation to the idea and it includes nationalisation. Hence I sup port it. The Monopolies Commission has re ferred to nationalisation, particularly Shri Alvares (Panjim); The issue to the fact that there are corrupt prac of bank nationalisation assumes im tices in banks indulged in by directors portance from two decisions. One is who are interested in certain indus the intoduction of the Fourth Plan tries whereby they get credit at a and the need to mobilise resources; the greater discount. But the most import other is the resolution adopting the ant thing with regard to the banks is Congress Manifesto which talks of the issue of created credit. social control of banks. But it is not enough for Congress members to say that they support the principle of the The number of bank deposits in the Resolution because in their own dis banking system is more or less half of cussions the phrase ‘social control’ has the total currency in this country, and been used to dilute the specific con with this amount they are able to sup cept. port or bring down a particular in dustry, to manoeuvre interlocking and Dr. Ranen Sen’s Resolution would re to, shall I say, spiral up prices of com quire a snecific issue to be decided, modities as they desire. It is, there whether banks are going to be nation fore, necessary in this context to deter alised or not. The Congress is very mine what must be the future of « prevaricative pbout it. Tw o important credit institution which has such wide leaders of the Congress, Shri Malaviya ramifications in our economic life. 26l7 Nationalisation K A R T IK A 19. 1888 (S A K A ) of Banks (Rek.) 2618 I refer merely not to the banking of this Government and therefore system, but the indigenous banking we suggest that Government should system also which is current in this nationalise banks and take their ad country. Therefore, I would urge that ministration unUer their control;; if we want to control the price line, to or you should say if you have prevent the blackmarketeers and un any objection and you are going social elements from getting hold of to repeat the same thing as you are the sinews of finance in order to hoard doing about rationing today. If so, foodgrains and other materials, if we be clear and say: we do not like it want to proceed ahead with the re to be done. Because, I have seen in commendations of the Monopolies Calcutta what is happening. My hon. Commission in the sense that they friends insist on the system of ra are not able to manoeuvre to interlock tioning to be introduced in the city or to capture other industries by smal and other places in Bengal. But even ler investments, the resolution of Dr. from the day on which t,he-proposal Ranen Sen should be adopted with was put into effect, complaints came out hesitation, and no such thing as that the rice is of bad quality, the the interpretation of social control etc. quantity is less and the price taken is enough. is more and so on. Even before the Shri C. K. Bhattacharjya (Rai- whole system had come into curren ganj): I was very glad to find Dr. cy, this is the sort of complaints that Ranen Sen quoting from Congress come. That is why I become rather scriptures. I was happier still to find sceptic when niy friends there sug that he is requesting the Government gest that Government should take to take the bank^ under their control. over something under its control. I But before-' I extend my support to just doubt within myself whether him, I would like him to state one they are saying so in the interest of thing categorically. Has he complete the parties which they support or in faith in the Government’s adminis the interest of making political capi tration of the business that it takes up, tal out of it when it is passed over or will it again become another to Jthe control of the Government, plank— another stick for beating the To utilise the resources of the banks Government? in the interest of the nation, in the interest of the people, to advance My hon. friends on the other side the interest of all sections of the adopt two curious but inconsistent community— these are certainly very attitudes. On th* one hand they ask laudable obectives but before we the Government to take up the ma broach that matter the present situ nagement of private concerns on the ation should be considered from all ground that that is very necessary aspects and then only the next in the interests of the nation and course is to be decided. Dr. Sen has when the Governmen takes up those spoken of one side only and the concerns, they complain that the other side also ought to be seen. Government has brought in corrup EJven under the present rules, if the tion, it is all corruption from top to Reserve Bank exercises its control bottom and the nation is going to proi>erly, I 'believe much of the diffi ruin because of the Government culties that he has complained of m an ag^en t may be checked and defects removed. Forty per cent of the deposits and Shri Vasudevan Nair (Ambala- the assets of there banks are now puzha): Both are correct. kept with the State Bank or its sub Shn C. K. Bhattacharyja: One of sidiaries. In that way these depo the two attitudes has got to be given sits are safeguarded. Dr. Sen was up. Either you have complete teith quoting the Reserve Bank Bulletin in the Government and say; We have a number of times. He should have complete faith in the management referred to some of the powers of 2619 Nationalisation NOVEMBER 10, 1966 of Banks (Res.) 2620 (C . K. Bhattacharyya] but for that, I believe, legislation the Reserve Bank. The Reserve has got to be enacted and the Bank has the right to dictate to them powers given to the Reserve Bwik, to whom advances are to be given, whatever they are, are to be extended to whom they should not be given or the exercise of those powers by the and when to advance and when not Reserve Bank has to be reoriented to do so and also on what commodi in a diflPerent way. ties to advance and what not to ad vance. Over and above these, they These are my subimissions. have the right to impose restrictions, issue directions about loans and fix margin of security. The managers of these banks cannot be appointed without the sanction of the Reserve Bank. Dr. Sen was referring to a t ^ wm I group olf industrialists controling the entire banking interests. That is spT ?rqt5fr9PT certainly very bad and that should I(h* 4 I not be allowed to continue. But 5ft ^ ^ «rr what about the powers of the Reser v e Bank that even the appointment ?rrar ^ 18 ^ ^ of the managers is subject to their ?TT3r approval. The Reserve Bank has a right to appoint additional direc q r ft ?r>T ^ rt ^ tors. It should be investigated as to what has been made of these powers. 9Frfsr^^, cITT) A large part of the assets of the private banks are invested in Gov- ?fTT^, ^ ^ernment securities or other securities which are practically under Govern ment control. No branches may be opened by these banks without the permission of the Reserve Bank, I Shrl NamWar (Tiruchirapalli): Why don’t they exercise those ^ irrrcftv powers? % 3rT^ ^ Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya: That ai> «Tf?rT I, is my question. Dr.. Sen was refer- ing to the Reserve Bank Bullletin so t ■ many times. Why did he not then refer to these powers and put these ^ T T T TTT T>7r I I I f f in : ??sr ^ «ft:r Tnrr ^ ?rTjrr ^ : I ^ *rnrr t ^?TT ^rrrr ^ttt^it i ^ I f r J in ?TT?f JTft M r 1 5ftT f (^frrnrrrr) v t 5r^TT% % q rm ^frr^TT 1 iirrir ^ ^T^rnrTTT ^ %Pfr?T^^77 ^nsT ^ ^r-T ttttt ^7 ^ ^ f% ?*T ^TTTT IT T T ^T^TjarT? ffT.TTt ^ ift Tt> TF:5T WT^ IT^rn ITITVTS ^T> Tr ^ 0 ^ TTTTTT Tt-t ?tt2T jf T ^ I , ^ STTTT ^ I fto if 3 mT ^ T ^ I V ^ r r ift q[T $> t fiT=nft 7T51T7 8 ^T> m ^rrc 11 Tft ift ?rTTK ^rr:?¥ «iT5 iT > ?t ^F> ^ ^ fr ?rf ^ fp ^^^rrrriTTR 1 ^ T T ?TT^ g's^'r ^ f r f ? f % itV ^ STTTT r^TT 'TT 1 O3 O ^ ? t ^ T ^ r T f »nrTr ? f ¥ q-? ^TiT gf? ^ in w I f 7 %r^T ^rimrnx ^rfr ?nn aft frr? ^ *T-rT ?Tff -j^fV I ?n*T ^ VfJJJ fF ^ ITTT ^ - i f5rT ^‘,fjr>, ^ ^mnrcfT^ ^ ^ r r m ?r*TnRT^ m srrrr ^'■f^'r, ^ ^ 2: ^ % ^JFTT ^ fjT^, fnr^^tTFT ^ t ^ T T I ?rT3r f^?T ^TT^TT ^ [®ft 1%|[J ment of the agricultural sector is an ^ ^nrr ^ inescapable must. That is the sector which covers a large portion of our national income. So, we are trying to utilise that sector also in develop I ing our economy and ultimately draw upon the surplus for further deve ^ ^sftx ^ lopment. Agriculturists want credit ^ i(\ ^ ^ ^ ^ «TT facilities and marketing facilities. The agency for that will be the credit ^HkTT,W\T ^J?T% tt ?ht^ fw cooperative societies or rural banks ^TPPTT, ?HTT H^IchT % ^RRt ^ which w ill have their branches all over. They w ill take into account the ^ ^ ^r 4fl^--^i<{t ^ ^ immediate requirements of the agri culturists like marketing facilities, seeds, agricultural implements, man ^ ^ t «To ^ % sT^mr ure, warehousing, etc. A ll these mat ^ +<.dT g I ters can be looked after in an organi sed and rural controlled banking system subject to the overall control Shri P. B. Chaknverti: Sir, my of the Reserve Bank. So, we have amendment reads as follows: brought in the concept of social con trol. ‘This House is of opinion that with a view to enlarging public and private savings and channe Shri Namblar: In what way is it lising these into priority invest different from the control of the Re ment and keeping down infla serve Bank today? tionary pressure, effective mea sures of social control over pri Shri P. B. Chakravertl; I have used vate banks be taken.” the term “ effective methods of social control over private banks.” There is Dr. Sen, while commenting on the some lacuna in the process today, be Congress election manifesto, forgot cause needy agriculturists do not ge4 to refer to main things which I have the credit. Rural credit is being ex sought to pinpoint in my amendment. ploited by a certain section of the In a socialistic form of society, people. So, we said, let us examine where we are working for a dev^ this aspect. This has been examined loping economy, there are certain by the Reserve Bank and other agri factors which have to be brou^t into cultural credit cooperative society account and emphasised. When socia study groups. I was a member of one lism was attempted in other parts of study group. W e found some lacunae. the world, they have had to grapple So, w e say that effective methods of with these problems. There was a sur control should be introduced so that plus from which they have had to organised coop>erative apparatus w ill draw upon. When you go through the be brought into force. W e talk of pric* processes of development, you have to support, holding the price line and draw upon the surplus. Where from all that. How is it to be done? It is do we get the surplus? Either we a very complicated thing. You can wait for decades for capital-intensive not superimpose your will in a dicta industries to develop or we try to uti torial manner. W e are having a mix lise the presources which we have got ed economy. W e started with the immediately as they are. concept of “socialistic pattern of society” ; i.c. we wanted to give to the Dr. Sen was saying that w e « s l i country a pattern where acquisitiv^ ding crocodile tears cominon efforts and sharing in the apr 2T?r | ^ national growth of the country. We say, let us have social control. As Mr. VT % I 3 rfT Vidyalankar said, social control in cludes within its compass the question of nationalisation and something more also. q r t I Dr. Ranen said that when the people were demanding it it dawned on the qVo urjo qVo rr^To r ^ o qlo f;, Congress to accept the idea. It is not ^ ^ t:rT so. It is a Congress Member, on my i f t IT ^ \ T , ^ side, Shrimati Subhadra Joshi, who brought this resolution before this House, and we lent support to it be I I ’T^’Tql^ r»'qr cause we wanted to discuss this pro blem in all its phases. A ll facets of ^<»lT -qT??dl p, cT3F ?r growth have to be emphasised. '3rnF?t, ?TT^o ?fVo Therefore, I have suggested that more q'Vo IT To ^ q r q r^ , effective measures of social control should be utilised so that the people ^ ^ *fr?rfeq- ^'r ^ ^ may get assured on the score that we ^ f(+M I ^nr, ^i«r ^ are not leaving everything to the q ? :srrq ^tptt sweet w ill of the so-called big indus trialists or bankers. So there is an qqr Hip Jr effective force behind this amendment q?TT ^ I fife !TJR ^ W (f which I have moved before this House. ^ #?: 5 ^ ^ Mr. Chairman: What time w ill the :3^^ 1=^AJ ^ hon. Minister take? ^^T^'r qr?r The Minister of State In the Minis ^ 5r.qT ^-cT % qqr try of Finance (Shri B. R. Bhagat): — m ^ fr t About 20 minutes. ^qr st t 1 Mr. Chairman: Can he make it 15 minutes? Shri B. R. Bhagat: If the House t ^ q ^ w rm qrT^T ^ % wants I will take only 15 minutes. 3fr f ^ f^ q r f w ^ \ W ill I have to reply today or will ?TT:ir I ffr % ^ ^ this be carried over? Mr. Chairman: We will see. qf^T ^ 5rTTrjfir^?qr qft % w r r T ¥ ^ ^ qn: qr^ I ( w 'Y ) ^ qir??r ^ ?rf\^ qr?;^ qrnr ir q w f%qr . . q r ^ I (q^^qT) : ?nq tr trr ^ ^ ^ I I ^ ^ ^ I %(\ : «nn ^fy ^ irt ^ ^ I I 9827 Nationalisation NOVEMBER 10. 1066 of Banks (Res.) 262B fm ^rrT iTTr] 4^T?nTrfTTT ^ ^ > im ^ T T qrr ?rr>, ^ ^ t i i ^ I, ^ ^ 5FHT f ^ T T f r t I «TT3r ^ ^ 3T^ JTff STfTPT rTTTT ^ITT ^ f?T ^ 3TTT %f?Tir, # F f ^ ^ t ^ H T T f ^r.Tnr q ^ r T€^*ir q r ^9TT^?f?R I I ^ t ^ ^ f T STF.TT^ < ft^ 9 TTW— 2TST, f«( I , f^*R% I ITT JTS^r I fe m fi ?rr^7 5r TTf^ «TT m I I ?TR ^ 5 m t f % ^nrf V ^T?:^ ?T>ff % «n?T i q-p 55 ^HTTT ^ ^ T^fr TT ^ *R tT T f^ ^T^T t, ^ srtE: ^ f^r ?IT^ f^q- T T T T ^ ^T f> f\ 9T ^ WHT ^TtT^ I >T^ ^ ^ftTT ^ ^ ^ r ^ T ^ I IVT ‘^t I V ^ 'T 5FT^ 5ft ^ « %f\T sra f ^ fqr I, T>ffT^T^ I t ^ T3T? s r ? ^ ^ ^^TTT ?rr^ ^ h w t T^? f^qT^imw ^ ^ j( f ^ ^ t iff ^ TTt^'W- k I <7Vo ^r ^TTTTT 5fY t ^ ?r*ft ^ ?T^ I w i\ ^?fV mV ff T ^ f I ? • ^ ^ f% 55nff ^ « T % ^ ^ "f ^ 5 H^'V =^c # I f% ^ ^ "ttfjl- •—'^?f% ??r»T ^ cftJT qifsnrt g f wT ^ ?,ff,Tr iT^ 5F^ f if f ^ ?tVt ^ d > 'f ^ t I T if t ^ ^FTTWT^i'TrT I ^ T>qrq^? ^ *PT TTC^hrVT®T ^ T^?TT T-T I Iff t I I f7 ? I ?rnT ^ ^ *TT^ ^ HHlT»iT ^Tf% ^ I 3T ^ ^rrrsTHT ^ ^ ^ ^JTcfT It Wrr «tJ« ai«iT 9T*TT ^ ^T^fRT ft, 3TTOT ??5rr% ^ «rT?«TT ^ cTTFT ?T> ^ ^ % I fiTT^ Wt ^«l>»PTfcT f ^ ^r, ^ ^TWT f^^ 3 Tfrf ^ t, 14, 1 5 JIT 20 t 5rr f I f,rT ^ «nr T r*r t t ?t rr 30 fdTFiRn: ^ JTT^T fcTiTT ITT^ I 3TT T?r I I 1964 T fr ji I t ^ - i f ?nR *T? ?T^ T T ?TT^ T? ^‘.fir> fF f f ^ ^r 5'r ^rr.TT fp ?•> Tpf? ? fTT ^^TT^ T ^ I m ' art f T ir f o t7 ^r? ^TfHf^TTT ^srrn 5t»fV *t? ^T^"t irr^ ^ 1 %PfT I T >: TT% T »TKT 2 2 I'F ^^i7T ?rnT Tt^ ?nTTn^r 5 T fiTr T.if i.‘ ^rT1 ?Tnr ?rrf fT*T^u\: ^ ^ f|TT ^nfcTTcTT ^ mi ^ ^ ^ ^'i ?T> Pt ^^ifTT T.- T.f^TfT T^ ?jjl ^ T t t ^ ^ « i a t Ft ^htt [«ft ^0 Tfro to revitalise or rationalise or re ^ ffr 4^fr q r ^ i^ r orient these institutions, you are not I ^ TTiq- «(%qT ^ able to achieve the end. Do you want came out saying that no society, % ^ ^'f ?BftT ^ TT T t ?nTl?rT’^r7 either the apex societies or the land nxxrtgage banks, has taken advantage % f?T7r«Tjr t, ^ 5^ fsprWr^ of the Refinance Corporation. But f, # ^ f'f ?rtT how can they take advantage of it? ^ ^ ^ 5ZTr^rf7vnT^ It is impossible to get any benefit from this institution. Thig is by way of an illustration. I would only want to 'Trnr? ^ tr^ ^ point out to Dr. Ranen Sen and other friends that this bureaucratic system of administration will not help us and ?f[T qfs?=rfr ^^2-7; n, ’Trnr^ ^ it is only possible when a complete ^ m TT fBRTT ^^ democratisation of these institutions is made and there is effective control; there should be socialisation of these TT ^ W'X institutions, so that they may give ^ fsrsrrT 1 maximum liberal credit to such of those institutions which are engaged ?f?rttnT f^rrr ^ fr- v j ’irar t" in doing common good and also those ^ fiTTO which are engaged in giving maxi mum help to increase agricultural production. fV #?Flf Titftwror trr % ffn ^r fln r \ ^ gftr t?: ^ flTVtrfVsTTTtirir ^ T T ^ - OTflrarr ^ fv 7T6fhrvx”r w V % r ^ SRISTT ^ ^Tffir I frrr^ ^ ^ ifr ^ I f 'T5T ^ t ^ ^ f^^ ^ rfn» ^ I I ^ ^ «rrf wr ^ ^ I r ^ Wi I t n ^ ^ «rr #% -T T f I r r « i t ' ^ T V m iTfTT I1 ?^rfktr t f v wfr^rt 3ft ^ J rTTwfi ^ f T T ^ ^TTctT ^ ?fTT>PiT I¥t Tif^.ir*} “tn ^ fT qpT 5|f■^ ^ q r sif?% I ^fr"t ire >r^ t f^^TT ^ % ?mr ^ f F ^ f t ?n«nT r f^^Tr, fCT>^ T t m f^ T T ^ ?f\T ?rWTT fJT H M Rm 3IZT^ ^ fjRqr irr fgr^TT ^ ^ ^.T^ V IhT* *^ T if ^ f^rtr f?fJTT ^ I if f ffT ^r^t t I « ft H o TTO VfJT& : f 1?f % T T tf.? - m a t f^ ' # r w m % ^ ^ sn?nc «run ^ I ?f.T t ®l’«» 1 : tr f ^ r ifiT 3ft ^ VTnT u.*^cr I I VI?,^.ir w r I, ^6% fr® ^'fT^T ^ I’^r f m snncvr ^ ^ Trr^'f t t I IT? i[Ta ?rfT I ^ fwr^?f ' wrr f.*3f i% r f^tr, V fkt^ ^1 TTi^ ?:^~Trr ?n ^if^qr I ^ mT ir^ sr?^ ?rr T O t *frrq5t «n: ^ j ) ^ T 1 1 «rT5r ;?ir r s t ^ ^TT *fnT5T 55ai^ I I I ^ ^ ^5:4 irf «fV ^ q r ^ %tiX O T ifiT^lWiT ^ ^ 3TTO ift ^ tcTTir^rf^ »fr > f e r «,*T T O I I sptf n i t ir «rrj nT j 1 t t Ccf ?n ^ cT^ *^.1 I I ? n f ^ ‘ f ^ r«f.vi »F.T I r •sft «5ftmTiiroT ?tt^ gfr % 3fi ^ TTf ^ TT wrfv?Fff;?OTT ^r^vf, a ^^‘w n f ' ^ «rr% % if r ^ f ftp t I »rf I I 3:^ rm: ^n*aff % ^.t ^ I fV ^ ^'t t ^ ?f Tif, qI'Tir ^ m % ^ ^ m i t, t ^ t I I ^ ? r^ v ^ T «rr c^t ? f^- ^ft»*9FT % SHTT Jffif n f ^ T r ' p f ^ 5t 11 f'fr ^ r T ^ ^ fTO?fr ^^rift, I I ^ q r ^ 1 1 ?H ^ T . r i «iTiT t TT^.f~x;T- ^ ? r I ?.T'vT |R:<% CIV i ? f i ? ,tt ^ ?€ fiT^^.'«t tt : t r p I’fTTT fqfr r*^T.^n^’ ^ ^.l^jf, rf. «Ti'T ?r;?n l> ff TTt^.tr?j,Tor fifn «^ifrt^ l ^ i I M ?fi7: m 5T|t ^i%T I ^ if «^f* Trf 11 fi^ -TIT^ % f%ifr ^ ri|T 11 Trr fr*q- ’ *^: fc*cT Tj rc^iC' ^T.Tf iTV ^ ?? ^?nC I ?f.T ^on^ *Ft ? ? '; gf. r 4 ^ '^'j «. TUT ^ ^ ^-Jf q.T^n f I n 5>¥ ^5ff ^ r?^TT ^ ; f I ssf.TC s;l^i % ilf V fv ^ % vivnx tt: *T IT? ’P i p i | f«P ^Rcft I I if^T ^ ir^ ^ I I frn: 4^ xm ^ M ^.-t? m- 3f^ cT^ srrai^ m ?nsrg cr«t.'RT >Fr |, ir^ #r ^ »if I ?f.T cftn ^.T ^ ^ w t t 5».5T? 2637 Nationalisation KARTTKA 19, 1888 (S A K A ) of Banks (Res.) 2658