Nunavut Canada

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF

3rd Session 3rd Assembly

HANSARD

Official Report

DAY 93

Tuesday, September 17, 2013

Pages 5037 – 5109

Iqaluit

Speaker: The Honourable Hunter Tootoo, M.L.A.

Legislative Assembly of Nunavut

Speaker Hon. Hunter Tootoo ( Centre) Hon. Joe Enook Allan Rumbolt () (Tununiq) (Hudson Bay) Premier; Minister of Education; Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole Minister of Executive and Fred Schell Intergovernmental Affairs; Minister Hon. Lorne Kusugak (South Baffin) responsible for Aboriginal Affairs; (Rankin Inlet South – Whale Cove) Minister responsible for Immigration Government House Leader; Minister of Hon. Daniel Shewchuk (Arviat) Community and Government Services; Minister of Justice; Minister Hon. James Arreak Minister responsible for the Workers’ (Uqqummiut) Safety and Compensation Commission responsible for Nunavut Arctic Minister of Culture and Heritage; College Minister of Environment; Minister of John Ningark Louis Tapardjuk Languages; Minister responsible for the (Akulliq) (Amittuq) Utility Rates Review Council Johnny Ningeongan Deputy Chair, Committee of the

(Nanulik) Whole Moses Aupaluktuq

(Baker Lake) Deputy Speaker and Chair of the Committee of the Whole Hon. (Kugluktuk) Deputy Premier; Minister of (Rankin Inlet North) Hezakiah Oshutapik (Pangnirtung) Economic Development and Hon. Monica Ell Transportation; Minister of (Iqaluit West) Hon. Keith Peterson Energy; Minister responsible for the Minister of Family Services; Minister (Cambridge Bay) Nunavut Housing Corporation responsible for Homelessness; Minister Minister of Finance, Chair of the responsible for the Qulliq Energy Financial Management Board; Minister Corporation; Minister responsible for of Health ()

the Status of Women

Ron Elliott (Quttiktuq)

Officers Clerk John Quirke

Deputy Clerk Clerk Assistant Law Clerk Sergeant-at-Arms Hansard Production Nancy Tupik Stephen Innuksuk Michael Chandler Simanek Kilabuk Innirvik Support Services

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Table of Contents

Opening Prayer ...... 5037

Ministers’ Statements ...... 5037

Members’ Statements ...... 5040

Returns to Oral Questions ...... 5059

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery ...... 5060

Oral Questions ...... 5060

Written Questions ...... 5070

Tabling of Documents ...... 5071

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters ...... 5073

Point of Order ...... 5085

Report of the Committee of the Whole ...... 5105

Third Reading of Bills ...... 5105

Assent to Bills ...... 5106

A. Daily References

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 ...... 5037

B. Ministers’ Statements

342 – 3(3): Nunavut Roundtable for Poverty Reduction (Ell) ...... 5037

343 – 3(3): Tourism Sector Investments in the Kitikmeot Region (Taptuna) ...... 5038

344 – 3(3): Involving the French Language Community during the Implementation of the New

Official Languages Act (Arreak) ...... 5039

345 – 3(3): Commend Frontline Workers (Ell) ...... 5039

C. Members’ Statements

579 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Hudson Bay (Rumbolt) ...... 5040

580 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Nanulik (Ningeongan) ...... 5041

581 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Amittuq (Tapardjuk) ...... 5042

582 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Akulliq (Ningark) ...... 5043

583 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Pangnirtung (Oshutapik) ...... 5044

584 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Quttiktuq (Elliott) ...... 5045

585 – 3(3): Congratulations to Crew of First Air Flight 822 (Enook)...... 5047

586 – 3(3): The Ineffective Nutrition North Canada Program (Schell) ...... 5048

587 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Nattilik (Ugyuk) ...... 5049

588 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Rankin Inlet South-Whale Cove (Kusugak) ...... 5050

589 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Iqaluit East (Aariak) ...... 5051

590 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Kugluktuk (Taptuna) ...... 5053

591 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Uqqummiut (Arreak) ...... 5055

592 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing Cambridge Bay (Peterson) ...... 5056

593 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing for 40 Years (Curley) ...... 5057

D. Returns to Oral Questions

Return to Oral Question 702 – 3(3): Pangnirtung Airport Relocation (Taptuna) ...... 5059

E. Oral Questions

766 – 3(3): Bulk Fuel Storage Facilities in Sanikiluaq (Rumbolt) ...... 5060

767 – 3(3): Study of Narwhal Stock in Jones Sound Area (Elliott) ...... 5061

768 – 3(3): 2013 Activities of the Nuliajuk Research Vessel (Oshutapik) ...... 5062

769 – 3(3): Activities of Custom Adoption (Curley) ...... 5064

770 – 3(3): ASIST Training (Elliott) ...... 5065

771 – 3(3): Dental Services in the Kivalliq (Curley) ...... 5066

772 – 3(3): Status of Resolute Bay Utilidor Project (Elliott) ...... 5068

773 – 3(3): $100 Million Geo-mapping Project (Elliott) ...... 5069

F. Written Questions

029 – 3(3): Salary Disclosure for Deputy Ministers (Enook)...... 5070

G. Tabling of Documents

427 – 3(3): Department of Health Policy “Contacting Clients Through Local Radio” (Peterson)

...... 5071

428 – 3(3): Factum of the Attorney General of Nunavut in the Supreme Court of Canada

Concerning Reform of the Senate (Shewchuk) ...... 5071

429 – 3(3): Public Health Investigation, Management and Reporting of Communicable Diseases

and Outbreaks in Nunavut (Peterson) ...... 5071

430 – 3(3): 2011-2012 Nunavut Liquor Commission Annual Report (Peterson) ...... 5071

431 – 3(3): Director of Child and Family Services Annual Report 2011-2012 (Ell) ...... 5072

432 – 3(3): 2013-2014 Letters of Expectation to Territorial Public Agencies and their Responses

(Peterson) ...... 5072

433 – 3(3): Government of Nunavut’s Progress Report on Recommendations of the Standing

Committee on Oversight of Government Operations and Public Accounts on the 2011 Report

of the Auditor General of Canada on Children, Youth, and Family Programs and Services

(Peterson) ...... 5072

434 – 3(3): Statistics for “Towards a Representative Public Service” as of December 31, 2012

(Peterson) ...... 5072

H. Committee Motions

013 – 3(3): Deletion of Clause 2 of Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act (Curley) ...... 5081

014 – 3(3): Deletion of Clause 3 of Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act (Tapardjuk) .....5087

015 – 3(3): Deletion of Clause 4 of Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act (Curley) ...... 5091

016 – 3(3): Deletion of Clause 5 of Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act (Curley) ...... 5094

017 – 3(3): Deletion of Clause 6 of Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act (Tapardjuk) .....5097

I. Bills

Bill 64 – An Act to Amend the Liquor Act – Consideration in Committee ...... 5073

Bill 64 – An Act to Amend the Liquor Act – Third Reading ...... 5105

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Iqaluit, Nunavut Minister’s Statement 342 – 3(3): Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Roundtable for Poverty Members Present: Reduction (Ell) Honourable Eva Aariak, Honourable James Arreak, Mr. Moses Aupaluktuq, Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank Mr. Tagak Curley, Honourable Monica you, Mr. Speaker. Following the assent Ell, Mr. Ron Elliott, Mr. Joe Enook, of the Collaboration for Poverty Honourable Lorne Kusugak, Mr. John Reduction Act, the Nunavut Roundtable Ningark, Mr. Johnny Ningeongan, Mr. for Poverty Reduction met here in Iqaluit Hezakiah Oshutapik, Honourable Keith from June 10 to 12, 2013. Peterson, Mr. Allan Rumbolt, Mr. Fred Schell, Honourable Daniel Shewchuk, As the Minister responsible for Poverty Mr. Louis Tapardjuk, Honourable Peter Reduction, I was pleased to take part in Taptuna, Honourable Hunter Tootoo, the gathering and to serve as co-chair. Ms. Jeannie Ugyuk. More than 70 people participated, with >>House commenced at 10:00 representation from all communities, Inuit organizations, non-profit Item 1: Opening Prayer organizations, and the private sector. Our purpose was to begin the process of Speaker (Hon. Hunter Tootoo): preparing the five-year 2014-19 Poverty Qujannamiik, Sergeant-at-Arms. Before Reduction Action Plan. we proceed, I would like to ask Mr. Ningeongan to lead us off in a prayer, (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, like please. The Makimaniq Plan, the five-year plan will be prepared in collaboration with >>Prayer our partners and will be co-sponsored by the Government of Nunavut and Speaker (interpretation): Thank you, Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated. Mr. Ningeongan. (interpretation ends) Before we proceed, I would just like to Round-table participants agreed that our let members know that we only have one current work on the implementation of page here today. So that page will be each of The Makimaniq Plan action doing no deliveries upstairs or to themes must continue. They called for anywhere else and we’re going to keep the new plan to place special emphasis her maintained here in the Chambers. on healing and well-being, child development and parenting skills, and We will move on in our orders of the changes to the Social Assistance day. Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Program. Minister responsible for the Department of Family Services, Minister Ell. Participants also called on the roundtable to improve communications with Item 2: Ministers’ Statements communities and to provide better support for community-based poverty reduction initiatives.

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A summary report on the June round shared and passed on. The Nunavut table has been prepared and will be Tourism Strategy, Tunngasaiji, calls on distributed to participants and made us to share our lifestyle and our land available to the public. with the world in a sustainable and respectful fashion. Work on the five-year poverty reduction action plan is ongoing and a draft plan Mr. Speaker, we continue to support will be completed by year-end. entrepreneurs in building on the foundation of quality tourism products Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my co- and services through our direct chair, Jack Anawak from Nunavut investments. Over the past five years, we Tunngavik Incorporated, and my fellow have invested $2.2 million in support of MLAs Jeannie Ugyuk and Ron Elliott small businesses within the tourism for their participation and support. sector in the Kitikmeot region. These investments have supported the I also want to thank each of the development and strengthening of participants, particularly the members of outfitters, hotels, and lodges. the Elders’ Council and our youth representatives, for their inspiring stories Mr Speaker, we have also partnered with and the clear direction and support they Nunavut Tourism, hamlets, and Inuit provided during the round-table organizations in building essential gathering. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. tourism infrastructure, such as the multi- use centre in and the >>Applause visitor’s centre in Kugluktuk. Once completed, these centres will Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Item complement and strengthen the 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister community’s ability to welcome tourists responsible for the Department of in increasing numbers. Economic Development and Transportation, Minister Taptuna. Mr. Speaker, there are many challenges ahead of us as we develop our tourism Minister’s Statement 343 – 3(3): sector. However, I am confident that Tourism Sector Investments in the through our continuing investments and Kitikmeot Region (Taptuna) our important partnerships, Nunavut will secure its place in the global tourism Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. market as a renowned destination. Thank Speaker. Ullaakkut, colleagues, you, Mr. Speaker. Nunavummiut, and Kuglukturmiut. Mr. Speaker, we are all proud of our culture >>Applause and unique heritage, and through sharing it with visitors, we are able to create a Speaker: Thank you, Minister Taptuna. more resilient identity while Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister strengthening our local economy. responsible for Culture and Heritage, Tourism is a natural fit for Nunavut Minister Arreak. communities, as our traditional values learned from our elders were meant to be

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Minister’s Statement 344 – 3(3): responsible for the Department of Involving the French Language Family Services, Minister Ell. Community during the Implementation of the New Minister’s Statement 345 – 3(3): Official Languages Act (Arreak) Commend Frontline Workers (Ell)

Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): Hon. Monica Ell: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning Speaker. As we are ending the term of to Qikiqtarjuaq, Clyde River, and this government, I would like to take this Nunavut. (interpretation ends) Mr. time to commend the important work of Speaker, Nunavut’s Official Languages the frontline workers. These employees Act came into force on April 1, 2013. are the face of the Department of Family The Act now recognizes three official Services in our communities. They are languages in our territory: the Inuit the career development officers, the language, English, as well as French. income assistance workers, and the community social services workers. Mr. Speaker, the Government of Nunavut truly appreciates the French Through our government’s Tamapta language community as a small but Mandate, we identified priority areas, vibrant and dynamic community, and such as helping those at risk in our acknowledges francophones’ ongoing communities and improving training support to the new Act. outcomes. Although there is still much work to be done in these areas, I want to In accordance with my duties under the express my sincere gratitude to our Act, I am pleased to announce that I will employees who implement these be hosting a public meeting with priorities and make improvements for members of the French language the lives of Nunavummiut. community this coming October. The goal is to identify the priority areas that Mr. Speaker, it is our employees who are important to the community and help deliver, on a daily basis, the programs shape government policies, programs, and services of our department. and services that are effective and Although at times their jobs can be culturally appropriate. thankless, they are dedicated and committed to doing a good job and Mr. Speaker, I invite members of the providing an important service to French language community and Nunavummiut. stakeholders to attend the October 5 consultation and contribute to the In closing, I wish to offer my implementation process of the Official appreciation to the frontline workers Languages Act as it relates specifically who work to make Nunavut a better to French. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

>>Applause >>Applause

Speaker: Merci, Minister Arreak. Item Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister 2. Ministers’ Statements. We will move

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5040 on in our orders of the day. Item 3. Legislative Assembly concerned the Members’ Statements. Member for high cost of living in Sanikiluaq and the Hudson Bay, Mr. Rumbolt. need to help our families make ends meet. After raising this issue, I asked the Item 3: Members’ Statements government to take action and review the food allowance rates for residents of Member’s Statement 579 – 3(3): Sanikiluaq who receive social assistance. Reflections on Representing I was very pleased that the government Hudson Bay (Rumbolt) listened to these concerns and made changes that would benefit the residents Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. of Sanikiluaq. Good morning to the people of Sanikiluaq. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this reflect on five years of representing the opportunity to publicly confirm, with the constituency of Hudson Bay and the blessing of my family, that I will be people of Sanikiluaq in the Legislative again seeking the confidence of my Assembly. constituents in the upcoming general election. Mr. Speaker, I would like to begin by thanking my family for their support and Mr. Speaker, we all know that there are their patience over the past five years. many challenges ahead. However, if the Being away from home for long periods next Assembly approaches these issues of time is never easy. in the spirit of consensus and compromise, we can make a difference, Mr. Speaker, as you know, I have as the example which I just provided focused my efforts in this Legislative clearly shows. Assembly on issues of concern to the community and its residents. These have Mr. Speaker, I would also like to take included the need to address the high this opportunity to say that my work in cost of living, the need for new the Legislative Assembly on behalf of infrastructure and housing, the need for Sanikiluaq has been helped by the strong effective programs and services, the cooperation and friendship that I have need to support our hunters, the need to enjoyed with many Members of this protect the unique environment of House. Hudson Bay, and the need for economic development. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to continue with my Mr. Speaker, when we work together in Member’s Statement. Thank you. this House, we can accomplish many things. Let me provide you with a good Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Rumbolt. The example of how consensus can work for member is seeking unanimous consent to the good of our communities and conclude his statement. Are there any constituents. nays? There are none. Please proceed, Mr. Rumbolt. Mr. Speaker, as you will recall, one of the first issues that I raised in the

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Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. constituents who help to make these I thank my colleagues. communities what they are.

I want to pay special tribute to the Hon. Many of the issues and concerns that I Member for Nanulik, whose friendship, have raised throughout my term are wisdom, and support has meant a great similar across Nunavut’s communities. deal for me over the past five years. There are ongoing concerns about health Mr. Speaker, the community of issues and the services that are available Sanikiluaq is a unique and very special to ensure needs are met and care place. Representing the community and provided. people of Sanikiluaq in the Legislative Assembly has been one of the greatest Issues relating to education, housing, honours of my life, and I thank all of my and those affecting our hunters and constituents for the trust that they have harvesters have been brought forward on placed in me to serve on their behalf. many occasions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank my MLA >>Applause colleagues for their support and confidence in my role as Chair of the Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Rumbolt. Item Standing Committee on Legislation, 3. Members’ Statements. Member for Chair of Committee of the Whole, and as Nanulik, Mr. Ningeongan. the Deputy Speaker.

Member’s Statement 580 – 3(3): I would also like to extend my gratitude Reflections on Representing to my fellow MLAs, especially the Nanulik (Ningeongan) members for Hudson Bay, South Baffin, and Arviat, for their unwavering Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank friendship and camaraderie since we first you, Mr. Speaker. Before I continue with met. I would also like to say “thank you” my Member’s Statement, I would like to to the Member for Tununiq for the first of all thank God for helping me. support and reverence he has given me. I sincerely appreciate that. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, as we approach the end of our term as the I would like to thank my constituency Third Assembly of the Nunavut assistants, both of whom have been there legislature, I wish to say that I have been since day one, for their assistance in honoured and privileged to represent the ensuring that concerns and issues have constituency of Nanulik, which includes been addressed. Thank you, Angela and the communities of Coral Harbour and Kyra. Chesterfield Inlet. At this time, Mr. Speaker, I wish to ask Mr. Speaker, I have been proud to be members to conclude my Member’s able to recognize the achievements, Statement. successes, and contributions of those Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan.

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The member is seeking unanimous on. consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are none. Please First of all, I would like to thank John proceed, Mr. Ningeongan. Illupalik and Jayco Simonie. As MLA, you need assistance of these people, and Mr. Ningeongan: Thank you, members. I think I could say that they definitely have helped me and assisted me. Mr. Speaker, last but not least, I wish to thank my family and especially my I especially would like to thank my wife “better half,” my wife, Elizabeth, who and all my grandchildren and the has provided a great deal of support over children that I left while I was here these past five years. (interpretation) I during the last five years. love you. Mr. Speaker, first of all, let me (interpretation ends) I am grateful that acknowledge that in 2004, I ran to be the people of Coral Harbour and elected and I wasn’t sure or understood Chesterfield Inlet have given me the what an MLA really was. I knew what opportunity to represent them and it is Inuit wanted and they were in my heart my hope that I have met their and I worked hard. expectations. After the 2004 election, even though I Mr. Speaker, (interpretation) I would didn’t understand the operation of the like to note that, as the election is Legislative Assembly, I was assisted by coming up, I will be putting my name the staff of the Legislative Assembly, forward as a candidate for MLA especially by the researchers. During our representing the communities of Coral deliberations, if these researchers didn’t Harbour and Repulse Bay. Thank you, help, a lot of issues would not have been Mr. Speaker. solved.

>>Applause Also, I would like to thank the pages and especially the interpreters. When the Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. Official Languages Act has been Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member implemented, the interpreters have for Amittuq, Mr. Tapardjuk. helped in this way. Thank you very much. Member’s Statement 581 – 3(3): Reflections on Representing An Hon. Member: Hear, hear! Amittuq (Tapardjuk) >>Applause Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I say “good morning” Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): I would to the residents of Amittuq in Igloolik like to ask for unanimous consent to and Hall Beach. Mr. Speaker, I rise in conclude my statement, Mr. Speaker. the Third Assembly to say that for the last five years I was here at the Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. Assembly, we had lots of things to work The member is seeking unanimous

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5043 consent to conclude his statement. Are Aggu and Amittuq have been there any nays? There are none. Please established. proceed, Mr. Tapardjuk. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to thank Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank the people who have elected me. I you, Mr. Speaker. encourage them to be involved and be part of the election process. I have been here along with the government and along with the regular Mr. Speaker, I would also like to say that MLAs. I know that this is hard work as during the election, I will not put my MLAs for our constituents and also for name in. Thank you. the betterment of Nunavut. >>Applause During the time I was in cabinet, the MLAs really made me work hard when Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. they were asking questions. Maybe it Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member was better when I moved to this side so I for Akulliq, Mr. Ningark. could pose questions to the government. This is a learning process, and I would Member’s Statement 582 – 3(3): like to thank all of you and the people in Reflections on Representing cabinet. Akulliq (Ningark)

Mr. Speaker, the Official Languages Act Mr. Ningark: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. was produced to protect and the heritage As we wind down in this particular centre was established, as well as the chapter, I wanted to thank my wife, Education Act. Also, recently, Bill 51, Celine, for her support through thick and An Act to Amend the Child and Family thin. She is always there for me. In the Services Act, was established and NWT days back in 1989 when I first approved. There were challenges in campaigned for public office, today, she dealing with them because of Inuit still has that same support, but I decided culture that I thought that they would not to run. So I repeat myself for that. help. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to recognize a Mr. Speaker, I have been feeling that couple of local organizations back home Inuit strength is not within the in and over in Repulse Bay. government. Inuit strength is not in the The law enforcement agency is only as church. Inuit strength is from within, good as we support it. We call them from their desire and if they work hard. detachments. There is an election coming up. They will use their strength to put people in Mr. Speaker, we all have a role to play this government. when it comes to crime prevention. To the people back home, be a part of the Mr. Speaker, with the increase in the crime stoppers. number of MLAs, I worked really hard to have Amittuq with two constituencies. I also want to recognize the local health I am thankful that the constituencies of care profession, both Kugaaruk and

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Repulse Bay. When I’m sick, I always Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningark. I get encouragement from my wife to go think for John, you might need two to a health centre. I am thankful for that chapters. when I go to a health care centre and I get the attention that I expect, but it is >>Laughter not always so for some other people. Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member I also would like to recognize the school for Pangnirtung, Mr. Oshutapik. and staff. I also encourage people of Kugaaruk and Repulse Bay to make sure Member’s Statement 583 – 3(3): that they send their kids to school. I want Reflections on Representing to recognize the breakfast program that Pangnirtung (Oshutapik) they provide for those who do not have the luxury of having breakfast at home. Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank We should always keep that in mind. We you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to the have to do more for our homes across people of Pangnirtung. Mr. Speaker, I Nunavut. rise today to thank the residents of Pangnirtung for their support. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask my colleagues, through you, for unanimous Mr. Speaker, serving as the Member for consent to conclude my statement. Pangnirtung over the past two years has Thank you. been an honour and I am very appreciative. As one of three members Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningark. who were elected in by-elections, I have Through me, for you, the member is been very grateful for the support that I seeking unanimous consent to conclude have received from you and all of my his statement. Are there any nays? There colleagues. are none. Please proceed, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Speaker, when I made my first Mr. Ningark: Thank you. statement in the Legislative Assembly, I spoke about my commitment to To conclude my statement, I wanted to addressing Pangnirtung’s priorities and thank every one of you in this House, issues. Over the past two years, I have and the interpreters and the media and raised such issues as the need to support everyone else, especially the Legislative our fishing industry, improve our Assembly staff that we have here, all infrastructure, and strengthen programs three of the people here. and services for our people.

>>Applause Mr. Speaker, earlier in this sitting, I was very pleased to have voted for new If I have to write a book, each and every funding to provide renovations… . one of you would have to take a full chapter to do that. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Speaker, I would like unanimous Speaker. consent to conclude my statement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Laughter

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Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. Mr. Speaker, during this final sitting of The member is seeking unanimous the House, a number of my colleagues consent to conclude his statement. Are have offered their thoughts and feelings there any nays? There are none. Please about the extraordinary experience that proceed, Mr. Oshutapik. we have shared together over the past five years. Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, my Mr. Speaker, I have listened to their colleagues, for allowing me to complete words with care, and I would like to take my statement. this opportunity to thank them for their commitment and passion to representing Earlier in this sitting, I was very pleased their constituencies and communities. to have voted for new funding to provide renovations to the community’s arena Mr. Speaker, I recently took the and also towards the relocation of the opportunity to review the first statement community’s airport. that I made in this House on November 19, 2008. At that time, I committed to (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, we vigorously raising the issues of my have a lot of work ahead of us, but I am constituents in , Grise Fiord, confident that we can make progress. and Resolute Bay and I pledged to seek action and solutions. I want to take this opportunity to inform the people of Pangnirtung that I will be Mr. Speaker, although much work seeking re-election in next month’s remains ahead of us, we have election. This decision was made after accomplished a great deal together. Over close consultation with my family, and I the past five years, a number of am grateful for the strength that they important projects for new infrastructure gave me while I served as a Member for in the High Arctic have moved forward the Legislative Assembly. on our capital plan. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very proud to have pushed hard for >>Applause the government to recognize community needs in Grise Fiord, Resolute Bay, and Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. Arctic Bay. These include a new Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member community learning centre for Grise for Quttiktuq, Mr. Elliott. Fiord, a new utilidor for Resolute Bay, a new health centre for Arctic Bay, a new Member’s Statement 584 – 3(3): arena for Resolute Bay, and a new Reflections on Representing government office facility in Grise Quttiktuq (Elliott) Fiord.

Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I Mr. Speaker, as you know, addressing rise today to offer my reflections on the high cost of living in the High Arctic representing Quttiktuq in the Legislative has been one of my priorities as the Assembly. Member for Quttiktuq.

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Although the government has not moved conclude his statement. Are there any as quickly as I would have liked in nays? There are none. Please proceed, implementing its High Arctic Mr. Elliott. Transportation Strategy, we now have a foundation of work on which to build in Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. the next Assembly. Thank you, my colleagues.

Mr. Speaker, the work that we have Mr. Speaker, the need for government accomplished together as a Legislative accountability, economic development, a Assembly on the issues of food security, progressive education system, strong poverty reduction, and the federal environmental protection, and a caring Nutrition North Canada Program has social safety net for our society’s most been extremely important. vulnerable are extremely important issues. I have been proud to work with Our public hearings on the Nutrition Members of this House, stakeholders, North Canada Program and the recent and my constituents to achieve progress motion that we unanimously passed in all of these areas. calling on the Auditor General to review it have raised awareness across the Mr. Speaker, the accomplishments of country about the issue of food security such groups as the Arctic Fishery in the north. Alliance demonstrate what can be achieved when communities work I would also like to take this opportunity together for a common goal. The to again thank my colleagues in this hearings over which I have presided as a House for their support for the Private standing committee chair on such Member’s Bill that I introduced matters as the annual reports of the concerning the donation of food. Auditor General to the Legislative Assembly have been important Mr. Speaker, during my term of office, I occasions for ensuring government have appreciated opportunities to spend transparency and accountability. time in all three communities that I have the honour of representing in this House. Our passage of Bill 40 and other important pieces of legislation during the I would like to pay public tribute to the life of this Assembly shows that our mayors, councillors, and other elected commitment to the well-being of our leaders in Resolute Bay, Grise Fiord, and children and our society is strong. Arctic Bay for their support and advice to me. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank my constituency assistants, Irene Willie and Mr. Speaker, at this time, I would like to Lysa Watsko, for their dedication and request consent to continue with my support. As we are all aware, MLAs Member’s Statement. Thank you, Mr. cannot always be in the community, and Speaker. these two individuals were always there when I could not. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. The member is seeking unanimous consent to

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Mr. Speaker, I would like to conclude Jimmy for many years and am proud to today by expressing my deepest call him a friend. appreciation to all of my constituents in Grise Fiord, Resolute Bay, and Arctic Mr. Speaker, Flight Attendant Jane Bay for the trust and confidence that Flaherty-Lambe is originally from Grise they have placed in me. It has truly been Fiord. She recently joined First Air. an honour to serve. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, this is a success story of which we must all be >>Applause proud.

Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Item 3. Becoming a trained and certified Members’ Statements. Member for aviation professional is a significant Tununiq, Mr. Enook. accomplishment.

Member’s Statement 585 – 3(3): The hard work, dedication, and Congratulations to Crew of First perseverance demonstrated by Mike, Air Flight 822 (Enook) Jimmy, and Jane in earning their credentials should be and must be an Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, inspiration to our youth. It shows that if Mr. Speaker. Good morning to my you put in enough hard work, your fellow community members and dreams can literally take flight. Nunavummiut. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to offer my warmest congratulations to Mr. Speaker, I want to take this the crew of First Air Flight 822. opportunity to pay tribute to First Air’s commitment to training and employment Mr. Speaker, earlier this week, First Air opportunities for our people. This is Flight 822 made its usual round trip exactly the kind of commitment that will from Iqaluit to Igloolik and Hall Beach. build our territory. What distinguished this flight from the many others that are made on a daily (interpretation) Mr. Speaker, I ask all basis was that the entire crew was Inuit. members to join me in congratulating the entire crew of First Air Flight 822. Mr. Speaker, Captain Mike Innuksuk Thank you, Mr. Speaker. was in command of the aircraft. Captain Innuksuk lives in Pond Inlet and I know >>Applause that his young family is very proud of him. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member for An Hon. Member: Hear, hear! South Baffin, Mr. Schell.

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Member’s Statement 586 – 3(3): The the Kitikmeot to the Baffin and the cost Ineffective Nutrition North varied from $8.50 to $10.95. Canada Program (Schell) There is a small supplier in Montreal Mr. Schell: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In who supplies produce to small retailers May, this House approved a motion in Nunavut and receives a 30 percent calling upon the Auditor General of discount from the airlines for its freight. Canada to conduct a performance audit Therefore, it’s reasonable to assume that of the Nutrition North Canada Program. our two major northern retailers are The motion passed unanimously. In receiving freight discounts of up to 50 addition, our territorial counterparts in percent. When you factor in those the NWT and Yukon also passed similar discounts and apply the subsidy that the motions with unanimous consent. retailers are getting from Nutrition North, it’s easy to conclude that they’re Mr. Speaker, I’m sure all members making a profit on the freight. welcome the news that the Auditor General has heard our collective voices They actually make a profit of $2.20 on and agreed to take on this important every kilo of freight flown into Arctic work. The only bad news is Bay. Three lbs. of apples costs $2.50 Nunavummiut will have to struggle for down south and in Arctic Bay, they another year under this ineffective actually make a profit of $3.80 on those program. I’m sure the Auditor General apples. They could give away these will discover that federal tax dollars are apples and still make a profit of 58 cents being spent. However, I doubt that he for three lbs. of apple. will believe that they are being spent to help consumers. An Hon. Member: No!

Without knowing the freight rates that Mr. Schell: The actual percentage of these major retailers are paying to the profit in these four communities on three airlines, it will be impossible to lbs. of apples varied from 300 to 1,000 determine whether or not the total percent. Unless the Auditor General subsidy is being passed on. I’m not a obtains the actual freight rate the mathematician, but I do know that you retailers pay to the airlines, we will can’t calculate any equation if you’re never be able to determine if the total missing too many variables. If we don’t subsidy is passed on. Thank you, Mr. know the freight rates or the cost of Speaker. goods, we will never be able to accurately determine whether or not >>Applause we’re receiving any of that subsidy. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Schell. Item 3. Mr. Speaker, under the old food Members’ Statements. Member for program, everybody knew what the Nattilik, Ms. Ugyuk. freight rate was and it was applied equally to all communities. Here’s an example. I have compared the price of 3 lbs. of apples in four communities from

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Member’s Statement 587 – 3(3): . Molly Tootalik, thank you for Reflections on Representing providing me all the concerns of the Nattilik (Ugyuk) elders. I also thank Tucktoo. I would like to especially thank these elders, as they Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, are always sending their thoughts on Mr. Speaker. Since I believe that this is issues. our last day, I want to express my gratitude and I am quite pleased today. I thank my family, my mother, my As the Member for Nattilik, I wish to siblings, and all of my relatives in extend my thanks to Nunavummiut for Taloyoak and Gjoa Haven for their their support no matter where they come support. I love them all, my relatives from. Many people have expressed their such as my nieces and nephews. support and for that, I thank all Nunavummiut who have sent me their I am also quite happy to state that in the thoughts. next election, Taloyoak and Kugaaruk will now be in the same riding. The Also, I have the good people of Gjoa people have wanted this ever since the Haven and Taloyoak to thank for having electoral boundaries were established had the confidence to elect me as their prior to Nunavut. I am very appreciative representative. of that fact.

Further, even small children comment Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent that they saw me on the television. I to conclude my statement. Thank you, respond by saying that some day, they Mr. Speaker. too may reach that platform in the future. The children are the most endearing, as Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. The they are so proud of recognizing the member is seeking unanimous consent to people they see on television and they conclude her statement. Are there any express pride in all of the Members of nays? There are none. Please proceed, the Legislative Assembly. Let us Ms. Ugyuk. continue to encourage all of our youth to work towards a brighter future. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): I thank my colleagues for their consent. Also, a big thank you to the many residents of Nunavut who extend their Last but not least, I would like to thank support through their prayers for the both First Air and Canadian North, as we leaders of Nunavut and the MLAs here use these airlines to fly to Iqaluit and to provide guidance in governing with no direct flights. Kitikmeot is quite Nunavut that is beneficial to all of the far, with overnight stoppages required. I residents. would like to thank those airlines for providing transportation and safe flights This is especially the case amongst our back and forth from our home to our elders, and I thank those in my riding, sessions here. particularly the elders of Gjoa Haven, Aaquaq and the family, my mother-in- I want to especially thank the residents law Mary Takkiruq, and the elders of of Iqaluit for their warm hospitality.

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I also wish to thank all of my colleagues During the time when I was elected, I here in the House, whether they are had three daughters, whom I still have, members of the cabinet or regular and my wife who has been very members. I thank each and every one of supportive of me. Today is our last day you. of our session and I now have a grandchild who is four years old. I have I also wanted to state that the youth and seen great change in life, especially children are, indeed, our future of within Nunavut. I have lost relatives Nunavut and it is theirs to hold. We will who are close to me, but I have also have a great voice in the future of gained many more relatives. Nunavut and I am grateful to have that opportunity to see that in our future. I Let me talk about my four-year-old wish all youth a great future and to grandson. A few days ago, his mother embrace life and not to contemplate asked him what kind of cake he wanted suicide. for his birthday. (interpretation ends) “What kind of cake do you want?” “I I also wish that each and every resident don’t want to turn four,” he said. of Nunavut has a good future and to wish that upon their fellow >>Laughter Nunavummiut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. “Well, you’re going to turn four. What >>Applause kind of cake do you want?” “I don’t want turn four!” “So what kind of cake Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Item do you want?” He says, “I want a ‘yuck’ 3. Members’ Statements. Member for cake then!” Rankin Inlet South-Whale Cove, Mr. Kusugak. >>Laughter

Member’s Statement 588 – 3(3): If he has to turn four, he’s going to have Reflections on Representing a “yuck” cake because it’s a “yuck” Rankin Inlet South-Whale Cove birthday. We found out that a “yuck” (Kusugak) cake meant a cake designed with the Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): Toronto Maple Leaf colours… Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. I also say “good morning” to the people >>Laughter of Whale Cove and Rankin Inlet. Mr. Speaker, I also wish to say a few words. …from no influence from me, Mr. Speaker. He has since changed his mind Now and then, I remember when I was and decided he’s going to celebrate his elected to this House and I greatly fourth birthday properly and is now appreciate the residents of Whale Cove going to celebrate it today with a cake and Rankin Inlet for choosing me to designed with the Montreal Canadiens represent them. I also thank the other colours. candidate who ran during that election. Over the five years, I have seen a lot of changes. I’ve had a few bets with my

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5051 colleague from Cambridge Bay. We It is unfortunate that I was unable to have won some and lost some. I have spend a lot more time with residents of never seen anyone go through so many Rankin Inlet and Whale Cove and their markers in my life. He’s got every shade understanding why that was the case is under the sun of highlighters. He’s something I appreciate very much. borrowed a few of mine over the years. Thank you to my relatives, to my wife especially and children. They have been I’m sure I have the record… . very important support for me, even though I spent a lot of time without them Mr. Speaker, if I may ask for unanimous over these past years. Thank you. consent to continue and finish my statement. We still have considerable work to do. My old riding of Rankin Inlet South will Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Kusugak. The now just be all Rankin Inlet. I’m giving member is seeking unanimous consent to notice that I will seek re-election. The conclude his statement. Are there any work that I have to do is still nays? There are none. Please proceed, considerable. We need an elders’ Mr. Kusugak. facility. We need a boarding home for Kivalliq patients and for mental health. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. We need a mental health home in Speaker. Thank you for allowing me to Kivalliq, especially perhaps in Nunavut. finish my statement. Yes, we have so much work to do. I, too, would like to work again with those I’m sure I have the record for seconding issues. I would like to announce to the the most motions of any assembly people of Rankin Inlet that I will be anywhere. It was my privilege. running again.

(interpretation) To wrap up my Lastly, it has been an enjoyable time and statement, Mr. Speaker, I wish to I hope we see each other again in the express my gratitude to my colleagues future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. for being able to work closely together, especially my Executive Council >>Applause colleagues and my questioners on the other side over there. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Kusugak. Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member for It has been exciting, despite being Iqaluit East, Ms. Aariak. challenging at all times and not always in agreement, but that is how the process Member’s Statement 589 – 3(3): works. What matters is that we worked Reflections on Representing together and that has been gratifying. Iqaluit East (Aariak)

In particular, having to spent a great deal Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): of time living here, I give a huge “thank Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning you” to Iqalummiut for always being to my constituents. Mr. Speaker, I rise receptive to me and my wife and my today to extend my gratitude to my children whenever they come here. constituents from Iqaluit East

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5052 constituency for putting their confidence Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Aariak. The in me and providing their support. member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any Since I became a Member of the nays? There are none. Please proceed, Legislative Assembly, time has passed Ms. Aariak. very quickly. It has been a short four years, and I am very pleased and proud Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): to have been able to serve my Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, my constituency and Nunavummiut. colleagues. (interpretation ends) What a privilege and an honour it has been to serve the Piliriqatigiittiarniq, having a good people of Nunavut and my constituency. working relationship, is very important and our goal and objective is to ensure (interpretation) I especially would like to that we work for the best interests of our thank Adamie Itorcheak, my people. Thank you for pushing us to do constituency assistant, for working very that to make sure that we can succeed. hard. Sometimes he had too much work to do. Thank you very much, Adamie, We still have a lot of work to do, but we even though you have a different job have many success stories too. We have now. I also thank Eva Akpalialuk, who worked very hard to improve social has been my CM, and Amanda Ford for issues so that we are working to support providing their support to me. I thank economic development in the each and every one of you. communities and self-sufficiency at the local level. That is what we work I also thank my colleagues at the cabinet towards. Thank you very much. level. Thank you very much. As we are working towards the best interests of the (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I people, we work very hard under the would also like to thank the Legislative consensus style of government. We may Assembly staff. John Quirke, thank you not agree at times, but majority rules. for your guidance. In the beginning, when we were all new members, I’m Also, I would like to thank the regular sure it was like herding cats. I think we members from across the room. We have come a long way since then. Thank gained many friends. During the you for guiding us with sometimes what question period, we don’t seem to be is a very foreign concept for us here in friends, but when we get out of this conducting Legislative Assembly Chamber, we seem to be friends. I am business. You guided us well. Thank you very pleased to see that. Some members to all your staff. are announcing that they want to run again. Thank you to the interpreters, who have probably one of the toughest jobs here. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent (interpretation) Thank you very much to to conclude my statement. Thank you, the interpreter/translators in English and Mr. Speaker. in . They have the most difficult job, especially when we start speaking very fast. They have to try to keep up in

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5053 a different language. Tasiluk. It is part of my old constituency and it has been added. Also, Mr. Speaker, I would also like to thank my staff, Paul Crowley, my I feel it is very important that the principal secretary, Emily Woods, election of the Members of the Madeleine Allakariallak, my EA, and Legislative Assembly is important and Dorcas Nattaq. for everyone to be able to have the opportunity to go and vote. You can vote Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the for whoever you feel will be capable. deputy ministers that I have been Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I working with in EIA, Daniel thank you all. Vandermeulen, and the Deputy Minister of Education, Kathy Okpik, for their >>Applause very hard work. Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Aariak. Item Also, I would also like to extend my 3. Members’ Statements. Member for gratitude from inside to my family, to Kugluktuk, Mr. Taptuna. my children, especially Karliin and Jamal, for their great support. When my Member’s Statement 590 – 3(3): son goes to school, my daughter and her Reflections on Representing husband were literally parents when I Kugluktuk (Taptuna) would be travelling away from home. My son is now attending another school Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. outside of Iqaluit. Thank you very much Speaker. Good morning to for helping me to raise and help with my Kuglukturmiut. I know it’s early there. children. I was able to do my work better First of all, Mr. Speaker, I recognize that with the support of my family members. it’s the last session that we will be holding this year. I am sure you have heard two weeks ago through the news media that if I was I want to congratulate the crew from elected again, I would not be running for First Air, the first and only Inuit crew, the Premier’s position. There are many Flight 822. I recall when the past capable people who are out there. I give president approached me to strengthen them an opportunity to take this. their training programs within First Air and I gladly obliged him. With the help Mr. Speaker, I heard from my family of my colleagues here, we can see the that I will be giving my name out for the results after several years. next election next month. Also, our constituency has changed, and now there Mr. Speaker, I want to start off this are four constituencies now in Iqaluit. I morning in gratitude. I’ve had the great wasn’t really sure which constituency I pleasure of having the opportunity to would be putting my name in for, but at represent my constituents of Kugluktuk this time, I would like to say that I have as their MLA and as the representative made up my mind which constituency I for Nunavummiut in the number of will be running in. I will be running in portfolios that I held. The last five years have been a humbling experience. I have

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5054 gone through ups and downs, just like a strive to get the best possible results on lot of my fellow Members of the common issues. Assembly, and through that, I have learned a lot. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this time to thank the various departments. Mr. Speaker, I have learned that you can’t do everything for everybody even Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek if you want to and that there’s never unanimous consent to conclude my enough money to do things that you Member’s Statement. Thank you. know needs addressing. It’s real hard work trying to get more money out of Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Taptuna. The the federal government for projects member is seeking unanimous consent to when you think you need more money to conclude his statement. Are there any get the work done. nays? There are none. Please proceed, Mr. Taptuna. Also, Mr. Speaker, I have learned that regular MLAs are good people too… Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, colleagues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Laughter Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this …even though they can’t seem to time to thank the various departments understand my answers because it isn’t that have worked under my the answer that they want or expect. ministerialship. I want to stress how grateful I am to your work and All things aside, I want to thank the dedication in getting the right message regular MLAs on that side of the House out to the people we all serve. Thank for their patience and trust provided to you for your patience and loyalty. I don’t me over the last five years. That means a say it often enough, but I thank you all lot and for that, I am grateful. for what you have done on behalf of the people of Nunavut and on my behalf. It has been a great pleasure to serve with my fellow cabinet members. Thank you My family is my foundation. I would for your guidance and support. I believe like to take this time to especially thank all of us have worked very hard in trying my wife, Joanne, for being at my side to do what we think was the best for throughout my time here in the House. Nunavummiut. Joanne, I thank you very much for your support and guidance. Mr. Speaker, partnerships are an important aspect of the work we do as a Of course, a lot of my gratitude goes out government and so our partnerships with to my children, grandchildren, and sons- Inuit organizations, the federal in-law. Without our family’s support and government, and other organizations guidance, the job would be a lot harder have been truly appreciated and than what it is already. important. It has not always been easy to come to agreement, but I believe that we Mr. Speaker, I would also like to give all have the best at heart when we all special thanks to my Constituency

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Assistant, Helen Himiak, and my Member’s Statement 591 – 3(3): executive staff, Pat Angnakak and Annie Reflections on Representing Joannie, who were there on a daily basis Uqqummiut (Arreak) to provide me with support to do my job here. Their loyalty and dedication to Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): help me get the job done is critical and I Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also would would like to say “thank you” for a job like to make a statement of thanks. In well done. I appreciate your support and 2004, when I first got elected on help that all of you have provide me over February 14, we sat down in this House the years. and I appreciate my constituents in Clyde River. There is one person in Mr. Speaker, one thing I have never Qikiqtarjuaq who believed in me and to done enough of is to thank the many put me here as an elected member and I people of Iqaluit who have been very appreciate that because of his belief that kind and welcoming to my family and I. he would be represented by me. Thank you, Iqalummiut, for helping Joanne and I feel welcome in your I will be seeking another term. I community. appreciated them in 2008 and I also appreciate the people who wanted me to I want to continue to see progress made represent them in Clyde River and on many initiatives started and carried Qikiqtarjuaq. I have sat here in this forth by this government. Also, it’s House since 2004, first as a regular important that we have new ideas and member and later as a cabinet member. initiatives to be brought forward by the Those other types of things that we next government. In light of this, I have would like to acknowledge because we decided that I will be declaring by have worked together. candidacy for the upcoming general election. I would like to also thank Mr. John Quirke and his staff for their assistance. I Mr. Speaker, I want to thank also wish to thank Mr. Simon Awa and Nunavummiut, especially my home his entire staff for giving me full community of Kugluktuk, for their support, as well as Mr. David Akeeagok ongoing support, and I hope that once and his staff. If it weren’t for these again, I can stand in the House to dedicated people, I would not have been represent them the next time around. able to provide the kind of answers you Thank you, Mr. Speaker. asked of me.

>>Applause I also wish to express my gratitude to the staff of URRC and the Inuit Language Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Taptuna. Item Authority for continuing to do great 3. Members’ Statements. Member for work that is still ongoing. I also want to Uqqummiut, Mr. Arreak. mention Martha Nowdlak, my constituency assistant, for all the help she has given me and my office assistant who is enjoying her birthday, Elisapee

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Nowdlak. I wish her a good and happy me to cabinet membership. I thank the birthday. departments of Environment and Culture and Heritage. As a member, you have a The people of Iqaluit are ceaselessly lot of work to do. At times, you lose receptive and welcoming and I thank sleep because of what you have to do. them very much, as well as the congregation of the Anglican Church, I thank everyone for being able to put for always showing their open arms. I me as a Member of the Legislative also sincerely wish to thank those who Assembly and for the people among my take the time to approach me for constituents who encouraged me to run assistance. again. When I hang my tie today, I will not be running again. Mr. Speaker, I will Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask for not be running in the next election. unanimous consent to conclude my Thank you, Mr. Speaker. statement. Thank you. >>Applause Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Arreak. The member is seeking unanimous consent to Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Arreak. Item conclude his statement. Are there any 3. Members’ Statements. Member for nays? There are none. Please proceed, Cambridge Bay, Mr. Peterson. Mr. Arreak. Member’s Statement 592 – 3(3): Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): Reflections on Representing Thank you for allowing me to continue. Cambridge Bay (Peterson)

I, too, wish to thank my children, my Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. daughters and their spouses, who have Speaker. I rise today to thank my family given me tireless support and having us and all of my constituents for granting over for meals. Thank you very much. me the privilege and their confidence to represent the Cambridge Bay Riding in I also wish to thank my supporters in my the Nunavut Legislative Assembly for community. They have been my the last five years. connection to my constituents. Mr. Speaker, my constituents have given Lastly but not least, I wish to thank my me tremendous support, encouragement, wife for supporting me, for always and advice over all the years in our approving of what I want to do, telling challenging work to improve their lives me that I need to represent our people, and the lives of all Nunavummiut. trying to guide me in whatever I need to do, and encouraging me to help others. Mr. Speaker, when they see me leaving Cambridge Bay at the airport, a lot of I would also like to thank all the them ask me if I’m going home to members of the legislature who helped Iqaluit. My response to them is, “I’m out the members. I thank everyone, not commuting to Iqaluit to work.” Iqaluit’s just for myself. When I became a a nice city. I like living here. I thank minister, there were those who elected everybody, but Cambridge Bay is home.

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Mr. Speaker, I thank all of my Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous colleagues in this House for their support consent to continue my statement. Thank and friendship to accomplish many you. wonderful things for Nunavut. There’s a lot more to do, but I believe we’re Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Peterson. The headed in the right direction. member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any Mr. Speaker, I’m always proud to nays? There are none. Please proceed, explain to people and visitors to Nunavut Mr. Peterson. and when I’m travelling elsewhere in Canada how our consensus government Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. works. They really like our way of doing Speaker. I thank my colleagues for government. allowing me the extra time.

Mr. Speaker, I express my gratitude to As I was saying, I would like to thank all my many dedicated staff in the my staff upstairs, Mr. Nick Pashkoski departments of Finance, Justice, and and Annie Akoak, for all they do for me. Health twice, if you can recall the They keep me well organized and history, who supported me in the hard briefed. They give me lots of good work to deliver Government of Nunavut advice on stuff I have to do in the House programs and services to Nunavummiut. and in my meetings with my colleagues.

Mr. Speaker, the heavy briefing binders Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to that they prepared me with over the thank you and all of your officials in the years, some as heavy as 10 to 12 lbs., I Legislative Assembly for your support usually carry three or four, have helped over the years as well. It’s much keep me in shape. I am proud to say I am appreciated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 8 lbs. less today than when I started. I can do 30 to 40 pushups with ease. You >>Applause have to stay in shape to be an MLA, I think. Sometimes the briefing binders Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Peterson. Item are heavy, but we have iPads these days 3. Members’ Statements. Member for to help us. Rankin Inlet North, Mr. Curley.

Mr. Speaker, I thank my Constituency Member’s Statement 593 – 3(3): Assistant, Irene Amagonalok in Reflections on Representing Inuit Cambridge Bay, who keeps me for 40 Years (Curley) grounded back home. When Irene yells, everyone listens, even me. Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I say “good morning” to Finally, I would like to thank my loyal, the people of Rankin Inlet. I would like trusty sidekick upstairs, Nick Pashkoski, Sally to watch the proceedings of the and my Executive Assistant, Annie House. This a perfect morning and an Akoak. It’s much appreciated for all you appropriate moment for me to stand here guys do for me over the years. Thank once again with my wife, Sally, whom I you. hope is watching at home on this last

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5058 sitting day of the Third Legislative About 40 years ago, most would be more Assembly. It’s an appropriate time today understanding about our challenges for everyone. locally. I can also recall maybe if we were to be put in a position that we Mr. Speaker, I stood up as a young man would be able to help our people. I and I can’t return to being a young man, remember being a lone advocate seeking but as a young man, I stood up 40 years support for dividing the NWT and ago after many hours of speaking with working towards this goal for years. our Inuit elders and friends to begin the long journey of hope, restoring Inuit No one lined up to take the honour of culture, self-determination, pride in our being on the front lines to receive and own language and identity. reflect the first negative, discouraging shots of many experts. For instance, in Mr. Speaker, it has been a remarkable, English, they would say that challenging, and rewarding journey (interpretation ends) that’s a noble idea. working with Inuit leaders. Many have That means it’s not likely going to passed away as we defined our destiny, happen. (interpretation) However, I creating and building our institutions wasn’t going to let this slip from my needed to protect our unique culture, mind and hands. The snowball, once social, and not just political and rolled, never stays the same size. The economic goals. rest is history.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask for The moment has arrived for me. Even unanimous consent to conclude my though we had hard times, I could say statement. that the moment has arrived for me to speak to my constituents, elders, and Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. The youth of Rankin Inlet North that my member is seeking unanimous consent to wife, Sally, and I have been honoured to conclude his statement. Are there any represent and serve you for many years. nays? There are none. Please proceed, You have been most supportive and Mr. Curley. understanding, not only to me as well as my wife. When I didn’t want to come Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you, back to politics in 2004, I was Mr. Speaker and (interpretation ends) encouraged by the elders. For two years, my colleagues. I didn’t agree, but my wife and I can say “thank you” and I’m very grateful. (interpretation) This historic journey was not just about strengthening our culture; While I have some energy, strength to it was also about a public government, a think, work, and stand, I ask my public government which would be constituents of Rankin Inlet to allow me closer to home, which would involve to stay closer to my family, our more Inuit in the decision-making grandchildren, our daughters, and our process, and elect leaders directly from sons. We want to be able to have some Nunavut communities, hopefully. time for ourselves. For that reason, I would like to say that I have discussed this with my wife, Sally, and close

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5059 personal friends. We prayed together to all of us happy, and I thank Bernadette get some guidance on that. I could say for always being welcoming with open today that they will be electing a arms. candidate for Rankin Inlet North. I will not be running. The day has arrived, Mr. Speaker, when being elected in Nunavut is not the only I would like to also say “thank you” to job that has to be done, so I’ll take the all the people that I have worked with opportunity to be more relaxed. I want to when there were a lot of challenges. I say to the people of Rankin Inlet that would like to say “thank you” to the they will be voting for a slate with more ministers. Privately, we make sure that than one candidate and that Sally and I things we want are done. will also vote there. We both wish to say “thank you” to all of you. This I would like to say “thank you” to Lorne legislature in Nunavut is unique in Kusugak, as well as James Arreak, not Canada and very young. It is still a work just here, but also from the NWT days. in progress and I thank all of you.

I thank our Premier for assisting us and >>Applause to want to assist the people of Nunavut. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. Item Mr. Speaker, I would also like to say that 3. Members’ Statements. Moving on in Sally and I were here for about five our orders of the day. Item 4. Returns to years and before that, in 1999, and we Oral Questions. Minister Taptuna. were welcomed by the people. The elders from Iqaluit looked after us. We Item 4: Returns to Oral Questions have made friends. I was told in a store by an elder, “I missed you very much.” Return to Oral Question 702 – 3(3): We appreciate their support, including Pangnirtung Airport Relocation Sammie and Oolootie. (Taptuna) Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank your Speaker. This question was asked by the staff and Mr. Quirke, as well as research hon. member from Pangnirtung, No. 702 staff and all the staff of the Legislative – 3(3), on September [9], 2013, on the Assembly, as well as the administration Pangnirtung Airport relocation. people on the third floor. In particular, I would like to thank the interpreters. The question asks me, “Can the minister They do a very hard job and have made indicate how the department will be our work easier. spending the approved carryover funding during the current fiscal year?” Lastly, I would like to thank my constituency assistant in Rankin Inlet. I Response: would instruct her to welcome anyone The carryover funding will be spent to who walks into the office. Bernadette explore further options for the possible Dean is always receptive whenever we relocation or expansion of the meet there, whenever I’m in town, and Pangnirtung Airport runway. whenever anyone walks in. That makes

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A comprehensive study was previously Item 5: Recognition of Visitors in the undertaken which assessed all the Gallery available sites for a community airport, including expansion of the current site. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Only one site was found to meet all Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to criteria and to achieve significant recognize a constituency of mine. improvements over the current airport site. Since then, the site known as Site >>Laughter #5 on the plateau has undergone an extensive weather data collection and Mr. Speaker, my wife, Joanne, and I will analysis exercise. Based on the wind be having our 36th wedding anniversary data obtained, the proposed Site #5 did in January. Throughout those times, we not present a suitable runway orientation have gone through a lot of great happy to achieve acceptable levels of runway times, a lot of sad times, and a lot of availability. tough times. Mr. Speaker, we have also gone through a lot of pots and pans. She We will investigate an alternate airport loves my cooking. Thank you, Mr. site location that the consultant has Speaker. recommended to determine the feasibility of developing an airport at >>Applause that location. This site is also located on the plateau and is known as Site #8. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Taptuna. Item 5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. Before proceeding with another study, We will move on in our orders of the we propose to meet with hamlet officials day. and the community to discuss any other options that they may have for the I’ll let you know that prior going into airport’s relocation or expansion. Item 6, Oral Questions, we will continue until 12:00 and wherever we’re at in It is unlikely that the entire carryover question period, I’ll stop the clock and amount will be expended during this we will break for lunch at 12:00. fiscal year. Any unspent funds will be carried over to fiscal year 2014-15. Item 6 in our Orders of the Day. Oral Questions. Member for Hudson Bay, Mr. In the meantime, Nunavut Airports has Rumbolt. proceeded with a plan to replace the fencing around the airport, designing a Item 6: Oral Questions new airport security system, and has procured gravel to do a partial Question 766 – 3(3): Bulk Fuel resurfacing of the existing runway. Storage Facilities in Sanikiluaq Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Rumbolt) Mr. Rumbolt: Not many hands flying Speaker: Thank you, Minister Taptuna. today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would Item 4. Returns to Oral Questions. Item like to direct my question to the Minister 5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. of Community and Government Mr. Taptuna. Services.

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As the minister is aware, three ready documents by June 30 of 2013. temporary fuel storage tanks were Can the minister update me today on the installed in Sanikiluaq last year in order status of this project? Thank you, Mr. to ensure that the community would not Speaker. run out of heating fuel. However, it is my understanding that when the initial Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Rumbolt. fuel resupply arrived in the community Minister responsible for Community and this summer, the tanks were not filled to Government Services, Minister capacity. Can the minister explain why Kusugak. this occurred and can he confirm that the fuel resupply ship will return to Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Sanikiluaq this fall to top off the tanks? Speaker. I’ll gladly update my colleague. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The planning and design stage is expected to be completed now in Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Rumbolt. November of this year. Once that is Minister responsible for the Department complete, we anticipate the construction of Community and Government after the sealift of 2014. Thank you, Mr. Services, Minister Kusugak. Speaker.

Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Kusugak. Speaker. I thank my colleague for the Oral Questions. Member for Quttiktuq, first question of the last day. Mr. Mr. Elliott. Speaker, I don’t have the details as to why they were not filled to the top. As Question 767 – 3(3): Study of Narwhal for going back and topping them up at Stock in Jones Sound Area the end, I’ll have to find out if the fuel (Elliott) that is delivered there is actually Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. sufficient for the rest of the year. If not, My questions are for the Minister of I’ll get the specifics on the matter. Thank Environment. you, Mr. Speaker. On June 5, 2012, a CBC news story Speaker: Thank you, Minister Kusugak. titled “Federal narwhal tusk ban lifted in Your first supplementary, Mr. Rumbolt. most of Nunavut” indicated that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans had Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. lifted the international trade ban on Last fall, the Legislative Assembly narwhal tusks in all Nunavut approved $300,000 in capital funding for communities except one, Grise Fiord. It an increase in the capacity of also indicated that Grise Fiord was not Sanikiluaq’s bulk fuel storage facility. In included because DFO stated that there January of this year, the Department of is no scientific evidence of narwhals in Community and Government Services the area surrounding the community. issued a request for proposals for the design of upgrades to Sanikiluaq’s bulk My question for the minister is: how is fuel storage. The RFP indicated that the the minister’s department working with successful proponent was required to the community of Grise Fiord and the complete the design and construction- Department of Fisheries and Oceans on

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5062 gathering scientific and traditional when a decision will be made? Thank knowledge concerning narwhal stocks in you, Mr. Speaker. the Jones Sound area? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Minister responsible for the Department Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. of Environment, Minister Arreak. Minister responsible for the Department of Environment, Minister Arreak. Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This summer, Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to did a population count on whales, but I thank the Member for Quttiktuq. This is don’t know when that study will be under the responsibility of the completed. I can say that during the Department of Fisheries and Oceans. We time, there’s going to be a close working have been working with the federal relationship between DFO and the department in regard to the Grise Fiord Nunavut government. Thank you, Mr. issue and we’re doing all we can. We’re Speaker. going to keep working with them until we conclude this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. Speaker. Oral Questions. Member for Pangnirtung, Mr. Oshutapik. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. Your first supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Question 768 – 3(3): 2013 Activities of the Nuliajuk Research Vessel Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Oshutapik) Since 2012, has anything changed in Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank regard to the international trade ban for you, Mr. Speaker. I had forgotten to Grise Fiord? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. thank CG&S for putting money aside for improvements to our arena. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Minister responsible for the Department Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to of Environment, Minister Arreak. direct my questions to the Minister of Environment. Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Only after we Mr. Speaker, the Government of have concluded the scientific facts will Nunavut acquired the Nuliajuk Research we open the ban on narwhal tusks. Vessel to support science-based That’s where we’re at right now. Thank conservation and sustainable you, Mr. Speaker. development of Nunavut fisheries. Can the minister update us today on the Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. activities of the Nuliajuk Research Your final supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Vessel during its 2013 season? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has a timeline been established on when this information will be collected or on

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Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): Minister responsible for the Department Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The research of Environment, Minister Arreak. team is still working on the Baffin region activities. We still haven’t Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): decided which communities would have Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank research carried out. I still am unable to Mr. Oshutapik. The research activities of provide that information regarding the the fishery over the past three years have plans for the Nuliajuk Research Vessel. been carried out for halibut, turbot, and Once those are completed and where sharks and how they can be harvested. research will be done is identified, an update will be provided. Thank you, Mr. They have also researched on the Speaker. topography of the seafloor, focusing primarily on the Baffin offshore near the Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. three communities of Pangnirtung, Your final supplementary, Mr. Qikiqtarjuaq, and Clyde River, all the Oshutapik. way close to Pond Inlet. The research project is currently working on future Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank research activities for Nuliajuk. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope we will still be you, Mr. Speaker. here when the minister is ready to give an update. Mr. Speaker, can the minister Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. provide information on what specific Your first supplementary, Mr. activities or plans will be undertaken? Oshutapik. Research activities are conducted at any given time. Will the mapping of the Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank seafloor topography be included? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, minister, you, Mr. Speaker. for that response. On June 7, 2012, a colleague of mine asked the minister if Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. the department had a long-term plan for Minister responsible for the Department the research vessel. The minister of Environment, Minister Arreak. indicated that “At this time, we don’t have any particular details, but once we Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): do have a plan available, I will table it in Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Research of the the House.” Can the minister update us fisheries is an ongoing effort and I on either his department has completed a mentioned that mapping of the seafloor long-term plan for the research vessel? If topography will be carried out which so, will the minister commit to tabling will determine the safest and deepest the plan in the House? Thank you, Mr. areas as well as to identify shallow areas. Speaker. Those kinds of research are ongoing and continue to be carried out by the Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. Nuliajuk Research Vessel. Thank you, Minister responsible for the Department Mr. Speaker. of Environment, Minister Arreak.

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Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. supplementary because this will Oral Questions. Member for Rankin probably explain it clearer. Inlet North, Mr. Curley. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, at present, Question 769 – 3(3): Activities of custom adoption commissioners are paid Custom Adoption Commissioners on a per case basis. That means the Act, (Curley) in a way, stipulates that they either have Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you, to succeed in registering an adoption Mr. Speaker. I have a different line of through the Supreme Court or the questioning today for the Minister of Nunavut Court or the Family Services. rejects an application. There are two cases on per case basis. In my view, this Section 4 of the government’s causes problems. Will the minister Aboriginal Custom Adoption commit to reviewing the system of Recognition Regulations provides that a compensation for custom adoption custom adoption commissioner may commissioners with a view to providing receive an honorarium for his or her them with an annual stipend? Thank work in administering the provisions of you. the Act. I think there are two main ones. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. I have heard concerns from custom Minister responsible for the Department adoption commissioners that they are not of Family Services, Minister Ell. receiving the payments to which they are entitled. Will the minister commit to Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank reviewing this matter? Thank you. you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will have my officials review this issue on how it can Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. be remedied. Custom adoption Minister responsible for the Department commissioners are paid a small amount of Family Services, Minister Ell. for paperwork. My officials are listening as we speak and where the matter can be Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank resolved, it will be investigated and I you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not sure if I fully shall instruct my staff to do so. Thank understood the member’s question on you, Mr. Speaker. who is entitled for payment on custom adoption. The documents I have with me Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Your are not clear on the issue. Can he clarify next question, Mr. Curley. his question? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Curley: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I Speaker: Thank you, Madam Minister. think it’s really quite important. I have Madam Minister, are you asking the received correspondence and letters from member to clarify his question? Thank commissioners who have not been paid, you. Mr. Curley, can you please clarify even though they have submitted their your question for the minister. statements to the government, which involved quite a bit of time for a number Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I of adoptions that they have dealt with. think I’ll proceed with my

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Can the minister clearly indicate what Question 770 – 3(3): ASIST Training types of support training are provided by (Elliott) her department to custom adoption Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. commissioners? Thank you. My questions are for the Minister responsible for . Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. Minister responsible for the Department Recently, Nunavut Arctic College has of Family Services, Minister Ell. taken on the responsibility of providing the ASIST training, the Applied Suicide Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank Intervention Skills Training, or I believe you, Mr. Speaker. Training is provided in Inuktitut, it’s called the on the individual needs of the custom Uqaqatigiigluk! training, from the adoption commissioners. I am not aware Department of Health. Can the minister of the specific training that is made outline what training will occur this available. I don’t have that in writing training year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. either with me. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. I can say that my department provides Minister responsible for Nunavut Arctic full support to these commissioners, College, Minister Shewchuk. whether it is on the required documentation for custom adoption in Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, Nunavut. The needs of the child to be Mr. Speaker. I thank the member for that adopted determine how that will very important question in regard to the proceed. The legal aspects of the ASIST training. He is right in that Arctic legislation are also reviewed regularly. College is now the lead in providing this training across the territory in I can investigate to determine how partnership with the Department of training is provided to pass on to the Health and Department of Education and member once I have that information. their support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we speak, there is a tentative Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. schedule. A coordinator has been hired. (interpretation) Is that all? (interpretation There is a tentative schedule that has ends) Before I go to the next name on been made for the Kivalliq region, and my list, I recognize the clock. We will the Kitikmeot and the Baffin regions are break for lunch and return at 1:30. very close to being finalized. Once this is all done, it will be placed on the Sergeant-at-Arms. Nunavut Arctic College website. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>House recessed at 11:56 and resumed at 13:31 Speaker: Thank you, Minister Shewchuk. Your first supplementary, Speaker: Qujannamiik, Sergeant-at- Mr. Elliott. Arms. Continuing on where we left off. Oral Questions. Member for Quttiktuq, Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Elliott. How do individuals or communities

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5066 access this training? Thank you, Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Speaker. Shewchuk. Item 6. Oral Questions. Member for Rankin Inlet North, Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Curley. Minister responsible for Nunavut Arctic College, Mr. Shewchuk. Question 771 – 3(3): Dental Services in the Kivalliq (Curley) Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The plan is to deliver this Mr. Curley: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, training through all the community my questions are for the Minister of learning centres in the communities, Health. I’ll try and be precise and to the where the adult educator will be the point. Getting straight answers on the contact person. These courses will be issue of dental services in the Kivalliq well advertised and open to the general region is like pulling teeth, but I will try public. again, Mr. Speaker.

I should add that through Arctic College, >>Laughter this ASIST training is part of the curriculum of all the NTEP programs Mr. Speaker, current dental services in that we have ongoing now and it is also the region are clearly inadequate. I am part of the nursing programs that we aware of at least one recent situation have in Arctic College. Thank you, Mr. where residents had to pay for a trip to Speaker. Iqaluit out of their own pocket to seek dental care. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Shewchuk. Your final supplementary, Given the concerns that have been raised Mr. Elliott. about the new dental contractor, why does the minister believe that it should Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. be “business as usual” with respect to Are there a targeted number of this critical contract? Thank you. individuals to be trained this year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. Minister responsible for the Department Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. of Health, Minister Peterson. Minister responsible for Nunavut Arctic College, minister Shewchuk. Hon. Keith Peterson: Mr. Speaker, as the member is well aware, if we go to Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, the dentist’s office and they’re pulling Mr. Speaker. There are no targets, but teeth, they do give you painkiller and if through Arctic College and the learning you don’t have enough, you might feel centers, we encourage all people who are the pain when they’re pulling your teeth, interested in taking this training in a as Mr. Curley is well aware. community to attend and take the training. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is business as usual because this issue is before the courts and I have not heard any concerns about

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5067 the particular contractor. Thank you, Mr. delivery of contracted services, that we Speaker. have people who monitor those clauses and provide the oversight that Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. Curley is concerned about. Thank you, Your first supplementary, Mr. Curley. Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Curley: Thank you. I appreciate the Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. minister’s advice, but I do recall not long Your final supplementary, Mr. Curley. ago where an individual, because there were no painkillers, had to use his own Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I knife to take one of the molar teeth out appreciate the minister’s responses. Mr. on his own, and that was my father. Speaker, yesterday or a couple of days Thank you, Mr. Speaker. ago at least, my colleague from Akulliq asked the minister to account for his When it comes to ensuring that department’s new Office of Patient contractors fulfill their obligations, I Relations, which is intended to provide believe that it is important to be clearly Nunavutmiut with a way of raising aware of the difference between concerns. Can the minister indicate “interference” and “oversight.” Can the whether Kivalliq residents will be able to minister explain to the House today how use this office to raise concerns about he is exercising appropriate oversight dental services? Thank you. with respect to the fulfillment of the terms and conditions of the Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. government’s current dental services Minister responsible for the Department contract in the Kivalliq region? Thank of Health, Minister Peterson. you. Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. Speaker. I believe that Mr. Curley’s Minister responsible for the Department constituents can. I’m just looking at the of Health, Minister Peterson. brochure and it says here on No. 3, what is the concern, if you raise a concern Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. about having not received the service Speaker. As Mr. Curley is a former you wanted or needed and you were not Minister of Health, he must be well listened to or not respected. I encourage aware that the Department of Health has your constituents and all Nunavummiut over 900 contracts with individuals, who have a concern with the Department organizations, and companies providing of Health to contact and of course, we services in Nunavut. So it would be would like them to contact the frontline virtually impossible for the minister of provider and then work from there, but this department to monitor the terms, ultimately if you don’t get your clauses, and conditions of every satisfaction, then you should contact the contract. patient relations office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Curley is well aware that in every contract, there are provisions and clauses that govern the

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Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. Mr. Speaker, the sealift for Resolute Bay Oral Questions. Member for Quttiktuq, has come and gone and there were no Mr. Elliott. pipes delivered to the community. Can the minister explain why not? Thank Question 772 – 3(3): Status of Resolute you, Mr. Speaker. Bay Utilidor Project (Elliott) Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister responsible for the Department My questions are for the Minister of of Community and Government Community and Government Services. Services, Minister Kusugak.

Last week, I had asked questions to the Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. minister regarding the Resolute Bay Speaker. As the scope of the work in utilidor system. The minister indicated Resolute Bay has grown from the initial that there would be a phased-in approach plans, the costs have pretty much to this project. The first phase was the doubled, if not more, since the original re-tendering of the project. plans. At this time, the work that the department was doing did not require the Can the minister update the House today utilidor pipes to be in on the shipment, on the status of the Resolute Bay utilidor from my understanding, Mr. Speaker. project? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Kusugak. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Your final supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Minister for the Department of Community and Government Services, Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister Kusugak. Since this is the final day of the Third Legislative Assembly of Nunavut, will Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): the minister commit to having officials Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the contact the Hamlet Council of Resolute member for that question. (interpretation Bay and explain what is happening with ends) There’s not much change to the the utilidor project? Thank you, Mr. events that happened since the last time Speaker. we spoke about this, which was two weeks ago. We’re still at the first phase, Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Minister responsible for the Department of Community and Government Speaker: Thank you, Minister Kusugak. Services, Minister Kusugak. Your first supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our officials The community was told that in an effort are responsible for a variety of projects to keep the project completion on track, in the communities. In fact, quite a the Department of Community and number are in progress. When our Government Services would be officials work with the hamlets, they pay purchasing pipes for arrival on the 2013 attention to our proceedings. I will speak sealift. with them again to ensure they fully

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5069 update the hamlets that they work with Mr. Speaker, there have been some on the status of the various projects that discrepancies on the amount. The $100 are undertaken by Community and million is for the northern regions. 75 Government Services, Mr. Speaker. percent of the $100 million is for the Thank you. three territories: Yukon, , and Nunavut. From that 75 Speaker: Thank you, Minister Kusugak. percent, we’re hoping that 75 percent of Item 6. Oral Questions. Member for the 75 percent would be directed towards Quttiktuq, Mr. Elliott. Nunavut.

Question 773 – 3(3): $100 Million Geo- The member is well aware that Nunavut mapping Project (Elliott) is the least mapped jurisdiction in all of Canada. Mr. Speaker, through our Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. geoscience office and the Geological My questions are for the Minister of Survey of Canada, which is an Economic Development and institution that’s older than Canada Transportation and it’s in regard to the itself, they design programs to map $100 million geo-mapping project that I Nunavut with our office here in what we had asked questions to the Minister of call GEM to try and locate what we call Environment the other day. potential for minerals, oil, and gas, and geological holdings. As the minister has mentioned many times, we rely on the federal government Mr. Speaker, at times, it is scientific- to provide investments to allow based work. It’s mostly scientific-based economic development and growth work. Once the permitting is acquired by within our territory. In regard to this the proponents, they do consult with the project with the federal government communities to try and see if there is any providing $100 million for geo-mapping beneficial way to involve community in the territory of Nunavut, can the members throughout their projects. minister explain what economic Thank you, Mr. Speaker. development opportunities will be coming to Nunavut companies? Thank Speaker: Thank you, Minister Taptuna. you, Mr. Speaker Your first supplementary, Mr. Elliott.

Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister responsible for the Department Does any of the geo-mapping require of Economic Development and seismic testing? Thank you, Mr. Transportation, Minister Taptuna. Speaker.

Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Speaker. I thank the member for that Minister responsible for the Department question. He may not be getting the of Economic Development and answer that he’s hoping for, but I’ll try Transportation, Minister Taptuna. to respond. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not aware of any proposed

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5070 seismic testing. Whether it’s offshore or exploration and mining is one of the key on land, I’m not aware of that. Thank ways of creating more economic activity you, Mr. Speaker. for Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Your final supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Item 6. Oral Questions. I have no more names on my list. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How will communities be consulted on Before we move on to Item 7, I would this project to help constituents just like to take this opportunity, I understand the scope of the work that believe, to welcome… . If everyone’s will be done in and around their wondering why our Gallery is full this communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. afternoon, my understanding is that they’re all federal civil servants, mostly Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. from Ottawa. Welcome to the Gallery. Minister responsible for the Department of Economic Development and I would also like to recognize two well- Transportation, Minister Taptuna. known and distinguished elders from here in Iqaluit, Simon and Annie Nattaq. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Welcome to the Gallery. Speaker. I thank the member for that question. The member is well aware >>Applause there was some geo-mapping activity in one of his constituencies two and a half We will move on in our orders of the years ago and that’s at Grise Fiord. They day. Item 7. Written Questions. Mr. did consult with the community to see Enook. how they can be involved in the scientific research. Item 7: Written Questions

Mr. Speaker, throughout the research Written Question 029 – 3(3): Salary and mapping, I guess you can call it one Disclosure for Deputy Ministers of these things where it has been said (Enook) before that the Geological Survey of Mr. Enook (interpretation): Good Canada, with our geoscience office here, afternoon, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation in cooperation with our geosciences here ends) I have a written question directed in Nunavut, try and map the geology to to the Premier and the title of it is attract investors, especially for minerals. “Salary Disclosure for Deputy Ministers.” I guess it has been likened to what they do: find the haystack. We have heard Mr. Speaker, for the record, I’m going to that once before. They find the haystack read my questions. and the companies come in to invest and try and find a needle in the haystack. 1. Listed by individual, what is the total That’s one of the things that, in Nunavut, annual remuneration paid to all we desperately need more economic current deputy ministers and heads activity at this juncture and time. Mining of Crown agencies, including but not

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limited to salaries, Nunavut Northern Hon. Keith Peterson: Mr. Speaker, I am Allowance, travel allowance, and pleased to table the Department of entertainment allowance? Health’s Local Radio Policy. This is in response to the Standing Committee on 2. From November [15], 2008 to Oversight of Government Operations September 17, 2013, listed by and Public Accounts Report on the individual, how much money has Review of the 2011-12 Annual Report of been paid to all current deputy the Information and Privacy ministers and heads of Crown Commissioner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. agencies in bonus payments? Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. 3. From November 15, 2008 to Item 13. Tabling of Documents. Minister September 17, 2013, what were the of Justice, Minister Shewchuk. contents of each annual letter of expectation provided by the Premier Tabled Document 428 – 3(3): Factum to deputy ministers and heads of of the Attorney General of Crown agencies? Nunavut in the Supreme Court of Canada Concerning Reform of the 4. What mechanisms and processes are Senate (Shewchuk) in place to monitor deputy ministers’ and heads of Crown agencies’ Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, compliance with conflict of interest Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to table the guidelines in relation to their Factum, Supreme Court of Canada personal financial activities, business reference amending the Constitution holdings, and interests in enterprises regarding the Senate. Thank you, Mr. that conduct business in Nunavut? Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Shewchuk. Item 13. Tabling of Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. Item 7. Documents. Minister of Health, Minister Written Questions. Item 8. Returns to Peterson. Written Questions. Item 9. Petitions. Item 10. Responses to Petitions. Item 11. Tabled Document 429 – 3(3): Public Reports of Standing and Special Health Investigation, Management Committees on Bills and Other Matters. and Reporting of Communicable Item 12. Tabling of Documents. Minister Diseases and Outbreaks in of Health, Minister Peterson. Nunavut (Peterson)

Item 12: Tabling of Documents Tabled Document 430 – 3(3): 2011- 2012 Nunavut Liquor Commission Tabled Document 427 – 3(3): Annual Report (Peterson) Department of Health Policy “Contacting Clients Through Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Local Radio” (Peterson) Speaker. I have two documents.

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Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table the Tabled Document 433 – 3(3): Protocol for Public Health Government of Nunavut’s Investigations. This is in response to the Progress Report on Standing Committee on Oversight of Recommendations of the Standing Government Operations and Public Committee on Oversight of Accounts Report on the Review of the Government Operations and 2011-12 Annual Report of the Public Accounts on the 2011 Information and Privacy Commissioner. Report of the Auditor General of Canada on Children, Youth, and Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table the Family Programs and Services Nunavut Liquor Commission’s annual (Peterson) report for 2011-12. Thank you, Mr. Tabled Document 434 – 3(3): Statistics Speaker. for “Towards a Representative Public Service” as of December 31, Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. 2012 (Peterson) Item 12. Tabling of Documents. Minister responsible for the Department of Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Family Services, Minister Ell. Speaker. I have three documents that I would like to table. Tabled Document 431 – 3(3): Director of Child and Family Services Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table the Annual Report 2011-2012 (Ell) 2013-14 letters of expectation to territorial public agencies and their Hon. Monica Ell: Thank you, Mr. responses. Speaker. I am pleased to table the Annual Report of the Director of Child Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table the and Family Services for 2011-12. Thank Government of Nunavut’s progress you, Mr. Speaker. report on recommendations of the Standing Committee on Oversight of Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Item Government Operations and Public 12. Tabling of Documents. Minister of Accounts on the Report of the Review of Finance, Minister Peterson. the 2011 Report of the Auditor General of Canada to the Legislative Assembly of Tabled Document 432 – 3(3): 2013- Nunavut on Children, Youth, and Family 2014 Letters of Expectation to Programs and Services. Territorial Public Agencies and their Responses (Peterson) Finally, Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table the statistics for “Towards a Representative Public Service” as of December 31, 2012. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. Item 12. Tabling of Documents. Moving on in our orders of the day. Item 13. Notices of Motions. Item 14. Notices of

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Motions for First Reading of Bills. Item Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. 15. Motions. Item 16. First Reading of We will now start deliberations on Bill Bills. Item 17. Second Reading of Bills. 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act, Item 18. Consideration in Committee of with Minister Peterson as the sponsoring the Whole of Bills and Other Matters. minister. Does the committee agree to Bill 64 with Mr. Enook in the Chair. bring in Minister Peterson and his witnesses? I would like to ask that prior to proceeding with Committee of the Some Members: Agreed. Whole, we will take a 10-minute break. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Sergeant-at-Arms. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort Minister Peterson’s witnesses in. >>House recessed at 13:56 and Committee resumed at 14:13 Thank you, Sergeant-at-Arms. Minister Peterson, for the record, please introduce Item 18: Consideration in Committee your witnesses. Minister Peterson. of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my right is Chris D’Arcy, Chairman (Mr. Enook)(interpretation): Deputy Minister of the Department of Good afternoon to my colleagues. Good Finance, and to my left is Andrea afternoon to Nunavummiut who are Witzaney-Chown, Director of Corporate listening on radio and watching on Policy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. television. Please be welcome to our Chambers. I wish to start our Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, proceedings as the Committee of the Minister Peterson. Welcome to the Whole. In Committee of the Whole, we witness table. As we proceed, I would have the following item to deal with: first like to ask you, Minister Peterson, if Bill 64. What is the wish of the you have any opening comments, you committee? Mr. Rumbolt. may proceed. Minister Peterson.

Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We wish to proceed with Bill Chairman. I am pleased to have this 64. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. opportunity to meet with the committee to discuss Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Liquor Act, and to hear directly from Mr. Rumbolt. Do members agree that we members. deal with Bill 64? In 2010, we invited 10 members from Some Members: Agreed. across the territory to be members of the task force to review the Liquor Act, Bill 64 – An Act to Amend the Liquor which included two of our colleagues. Act – Consideration in Committee We committed to consulting with stakeholders and every community in Nunavut. I’m still grateful that the task

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5074 force was able to meet that goal and operation, product availability, limits to reach every single community despite quantities, and policies to reduce challenges faced with scheduling and potential harm. The government would weather. maintain the necessary flexibility to facilitate a quick reaction to any In the fall of 2012, we received the final situation that might arise, including the report. In the report, the task force ability to close the store and end the pilot recommended liberalizing access to project. Existing restrictions on alcohol, particularly beer and wine, in an purchases and possession that have been effort to move away from current control established by alcohol education systems to deter binge drinking and committees would continue to stand. move towards a more responsible use of This ability to change how we sell liquor alcohol. in Nunavut will be the foundation for reducing harm and for removing the In its response to the task force, the bootlegging market. government focused on the need to take a measured approach to changing the A measured approach means working liquor control regime in our territory. with communities before opening a Bill 64, as introduced, reflects that store. A measured approach means intention. working with the departments of Health, Justice, and Family Services to develop Bill 64 aims to make the necessary indicators to determine the impact of a legislative amendments to allow the retail store on any potential community. Nunavut Liquor Commission to: A measured approach means adjusting our regulations to address any  Change the way it sells liquor in deficiencies with the model before Nunavut; rolling it out to other open communities.  Increase social responsibility;  Increase bootlegging fines; and At the same time, these amendments will  Increase personal importation limits allow us to use proceeds from the so that they are more in line with revolving fund to develop educational those in other Canadian jurisdictions. materials and campaigns to promote responsible use of alcohol. One of the changes would allow an individual to carry their alcohol purchase Mr. Chairman, Bill 64 will increase the out of a liquor store. This would allow allowed volume of liquor that us to move forward with a more individuals can bring into the territory traditional retail operation. However, without a liquor import permit. This will this change to the legislation does not not change the requirement for require us to open a storefront operation. individuals returning to restricted communities to seek the permission of Also, a retail outlet would not be opened the alcohol education committees to in any community without further import liquor and it will not change the consultation and community support. status of prohibited communities. The community would be involved in key decisions around location, hours of

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The proposed amendments to the Assembly on November 2, 2012. The Nunavut Liquor Act are an important government’s formal response to the first step toward meaningful changes to final report and recommendations of the the current liquor regulatory regime and task force was tabled in the Legislative responsible use of alcohol in Nunavut. Assembly on March 19, 2013. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The first recommendation of the task Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, force was that the government should Minister Peterson. I will now ask the repeal the current Liquor Act and standing committee chairman to make introduce a new statute. In its final his comments. Mr. Ningeongan. report, the task force stated that, and I quote, “…the simplest way to redress the Mr. Ningeongan: Thank you, Mr. problems with the current Act and to Chairman. As Chair of the Standing develop clear and coherent legislation is Committee on Legislation, I wish to to draft new legislation, not to make a provide opening comments on behalf of series of further amendments. The Task my colleagues as we begin consideration Force was cautioned that making of Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor amendments on amendments would only Act. exacerbate the current problems, making the Act more obscure than before by Mr. Chairman, as you will recall, Bill 64 potentially increasing the number of received second reading on May 16, inconsistencies and contradictions.” 2013 and was subsequently referred to the standing committee for A number of members were consideration. disappointed that the government has not acted on the task force’s For the benefit of the permanent public recommendation by introducing a new record and Nunavummiut who are Liquor Act, choosing instead to following our proceedings today, I wish introduce a series of piecemeal to take this opportunity to provide an amendments to the existing statute. overview of the standing committee’s deliberations concerning Bill 64. A number of members expressed concern regarding the government’s Mr. Chairman, as you will recall, a plans to “initiate a beer and wine store number of members raised concerns pilot project.” Members expressed about Bill 64 on the occasion of the concern regarding the lack of detail Legislative Assembly’s consideration of concerning the process by which the the motion for second reading of the bill. government will identify the subject These concerns were reiterated during community and obtain public consent for the standing committee’s consideration the project. of the bill. A number of members also expressed As members will recall, the final report concern regarding the lack of clarity and recommendations of the Minister’s regarding such issues as the extent to Task Force to Review the Nunavut which neighbouring communities would Liquor Act were tabled in the Legislative be impacted by the opening of a retail

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5076 operation. These concerns were well- A number of members expressed articulated in the written submission concerns regarding the provisions in Bill concerning Bill 64 that the standing 64 to increase the amount of liquor that a committee received from the Mayor of person may personally import into Hall Beach. Nunavut without a permit. Although members recognize that other The standing committee took careful jurisdictions may have higher note of the recommendations of the task importation limits, this does not in and force concerning enforcement of the of itself justify an increase for our Liquor Act. In its final report, the task territory. A number of members viewed force stated that the government should, this provision as simply facilitating the and I quote, “Strengthen search and purchase and consumption of higher seizure provisions under the Act and volumes of alcohol from retail outlets introduce strong civil forfeiture located outside of the territory. legislation to deter illegal sales of alcohol…[the government should] A related issue that arose during the significantly increase fines and penalties standing committee’s deliberations on for bootlegging and redirect revenues to Bill 64 concerned the operations of harm reduction programs.” The standing alcohol education committees. As committee was pleased to note that Bill members will recall, the task force 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act, recommended that, and I quote, contains provisions to increase fines for “Alcohol Education Committees be violations of the legislation. given adequate resources and support through a secretariat.” Earlier this year, Mr. Chairman, the idea of introducing news reports indicated that the civil forfeiture legislation has been Department of Finance had formally raised in the House by a number of directed all alcohol education members on a number of occasions in committees operating in restricted recent years. A number of members communities to discontinue the practice expressed disappointment at the lack of of charging fees for liquor orders. The progress on this issue. This lack of standing committee has requested that it progress is illustrated by the be provided with a copy of any formal government’s formal response to the directives and/or communications that task force’s recommendation, which have been provided to alcohol education simply indicates that the government committees regarding this matter. I will, and I quote, “continue exploring the would also encourage the minister to possibility of introducing civil forfeiture table these items in the House for the legislation that will further deter benefit of all members. bootleggers.” During the minister’s recent appearance A number of members were also before the standing committee on the disappointed to note that the proposed occasion of its clause-by-clause provisions in Bill 64 concerning the consideration of Bill 64, a total of five allocation of revenues for social motions were moved by members of the responsibility campaigns are not standing committee to delete clauses 2, mandatory in nature. 3, 4, 5, and 6. A majority of committee

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5077 members present at the meeting voted in Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you, favour of the motions. Mr. Chairman. I believe that all Nunavutmiut need to understand the Rule 68(3) of the Rules of the minister’s opening comments and what Legislative Assembly provides that all he said during our standing committee’s amendments proposed at the standing meeting a couple of days ago, even committee stage of the legislative though there are opening comments process require the concurrence of the coming from the government. sponsor of the bill under consideration. Mr. Chairman, first of all, I would like to As the minister did not concur with the welcome the minister and his officials to proposed amendments, I anticipate that the Legislative Assembly. some members may wish to propose the same motions during the proceedings of I know that Inuit have been very the Committee of the Whole. As all supportive in dealing with access to members are aware, votes on proposed alcohol and for controlled or restricted motions to amend bills during the communities. They have to have a proceedings of the Committee of the plebiscite in order to have access. The Whole are decided on the basis of a people who would like to order have to majority of members voting. go through alcohol education committees and I’m sure that not all of Mr. Chairman, that concludes my the applicants are approved. opening comments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With that situation in Nunavut, at times, in the homes, children who are Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, committing crimes go through the justice Mr. Ningeongan. Before we proceed and system because of alcohol. There are since this is our last Committee of the also social workers who take away Whole, I would like to remind the children because of alcohol abuse in the members for the last time that according homes. to Rule 77(1), you have 10 minutes to speak, and according to Rule 77(2), Right now, with Bill 64, we would like subject to the discretion of the Chair, a to expect that people will not commit as member may speak more than once to a many crimes as before, but that’s not matter under discussion but not until going to be the case. I have a feeling that every member wishing to speak has there are going to be more crimes spoken. committed with respect to liquor because there is going to be a liquor store I suggest to members that wherever opened. possible you ask your detailed questions during the clause-by-clause review. I Probably in the larger communities, not would like to ask if there are any general all communities are going to be like that, comments. Mr. Curley, I think you but if you sell wine and beer, whoever raised your hand. wants to buy it doesn’t have to go through the alcohol education committee anymore. I have a feeling that this is not

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5078 going to keep up with the education of The government policy with respect to social drinking in the communities. alcohol education states that there should be an action plan in place to make sure I’m not exactly sure when it’s going to that they would put so much money per come into effect, but I have a concern year from the revolving fund for the with the bill. I would like the minister to alcohol program. It would be very good respond why he didn’t agree to the if the minister could do that, but if we committee for the deletion of some of say that they’re going to take some sections or clauses of the Act because money out of the revolving fund, you there will be more money to pay. The can’t just estimate how much you can only thing that we agreed on was for the take in order to do these sorts of things. bootleggers to pay more fines. There are going to be a lot more people The alcohol education committee stated who go through the corrections system that they wanted those sections of the when the liquor outlets open. With Act deleted. If the government is going respect to bootlegging, there are going to to let the amendment to the Liquor Act be more people bootlegging because go ahead, the minister should have they don’t have to order liquor from listened to the committee because a Winnipeg, let’s say, or Ottawa. They majority of the standing committee could buy wine and beer right from their voted, but the task force report is just community. The person who buys the recommendations. liquor, according to the legislation, could say that they can bootleg. Whether it be People who commit crime and the imported from the south or bought in the people who want to quit consuming community, it’s still bootlegging and alcohol have stated that there should be a they could still go to court. place for them to take the alcohol program. For that reason, I hear the It’s going to be more dangerous in my minister say that some of the community if there was to be an outlet consolidated revenue funds receive the opened because they could buy wine and funding for fines paid by the people who beer. The communities are very close commit crime when they have alcohol. together and they don’t need to have a We want to be able to try to learn to be licence to purchase those. They can take self-sufficient and to be able to run our it from my community to other own government. communities and sell it to make money. It becomes bootlegged wine or beer. I According to the revolving fund, there is am a little bit concerned about that part, nothing that states that the minister can so I cannot support it. say how much money is in the revolving fund. The revolving fund consists of At the very last day of our session, they money that comes from various will have more liquor outlets in the departments. The minister does not have communities, saying that the people of the discretion to take the money from the Nunavut can learn to become socially revolving fund to do this and that. responsible drinkers, but I think it’s going to be a long time for them to become socially responsible drinkers.

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I would like to ask the members for their receiving the money from the liquor support. A majority of committee sales once they get their beer and wine members voted in favour of the motions outlet. They’re already planning this, but to delete certain clauses of the bill the question that I have has not been during our standing committee meeting. answered. Who will be running it if they If the minister will not delete them, he start selling beer and wine? The should explain why it’s so urgent that government or private individuals? the bill is passed. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in the minister’s opening comments, there are alcohol education Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, committees in the communities and Mr. Curley. General comments. Mr. those are the people who give out Tapardjuk. permits and licences to bring liquor to the communities. Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to Just to make it clear, during the NWT welcome the minister and his officials. days, there was a legislation that any During second reading, I did not agree to community can have liquor in their the amendments of the Liquor Act. community or it could be a dry Majority rules when you vote on community. Those were the two things something. It would have been better if that we had in the community, we didn’t deal with this during our prohibited or restricted. membership because of all the changes that have to be done. The alcohol education committees and communities can say no or yes to liquor With the respect to Bill 64, a lot of or not. There are people who are there to people listened to the second reading of decide if people need some help with Bill 64 and we know that we talked respect to alcohol and these are starting about this numerous times. We figured to change now. What they do now have we didn’t have any choice but to deal are no committees. They are to say yes with this. When the minister was before or no. Does the alcohol education our committee, we didn’t approve of it. committee in the community say, “I will We know our constituents and we get give you alcohol and you have to follow their thoughts. Those are the people the rules.”? You could be prohibited or whom we are representing and what they restricted in a community. want is more important to us. Mr. Chairman, I would like to say that I will Those are the amendments that we not be supporting the amendments to the wanted, but the department has not Liquor Act. agreed with us. An alcohol education committee is asked to come when there Although I asked questions, I am not is disturbance in a home due to alcohol. really clear about who is going to look There are going to be people who are after it if they’re going to be selling wine going to be like that if this is no longer and beer. Will the government have their in effect, but it has been given to the own outlet or will it be contracted out? I RCMP to deal with. The RCMP has a lot know that they are already planning on of things to do and they’re going to have

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5080 more things to do in the community. I would like to get some support from These kinds of things have not been the people who have never consumed looked at, even though the task force alcohol or who haven’t been touched by stated that. alcohol. I was elected by the people of Kugaaruk. Some people in my We have people who are concerned constituency of Kugaaruk and Repulse about beer and wine being more Bay consume alcohol. Although available in communities. Why do everyone did not elect me to this House, people who want to order alcohol have I was asked to represent them. There are to order from Rankin Inlet, even though a lot of people who have been touched there’s a liquor warehouse in Iqaluit? by alcohol and their families are no Why can’t they order from Iqaluit? They longer around. I’m just an individual and have to pay for freight because they have they knew that, so they elected me. to order from Rankin Inlet. That was part of the task force discussion, but that Mr. Schell and I travelled to the wasn’t considered by the government. communities during the liquor task force to listen to the people or the community Mr. Chairman, I would like my alcohol education committees. Due to colleagues or the regular members the weather, we could not go into all the especially, who are with us during the communities. Sometimes, as Members committee meetings, I want to say that I of the Legislative Assembly, we have will not be supporting the amendment to other things to do besides travelling with the Liquor Act because of all the the liquor task force. problems that have to be dealt with, that we talked about, and we still have to do There were a lot of people who expected that in the coming years. For that reason, us during the community visits and I was I will not be supporting it. happy that we were able to help them out. We were told during the community Nunavut people have stated during the visits that when the alcohol is in the task force consultation tour of the bottle or if the bottle is larger and if I communities that the government should don’t touch it, it’s alright. It could be respect what they have done and follow visible and as long as I don’t touch it, through with what they had said. Thank it’s okay. Even if I did touch it, as long you, Mr. Chairman. as I don’t drink too much of it, it is okay.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Like the minister said, he said in Mr. Tapardjuk. We’re on general English, (interpretation ends) comments. Mr. Ningark. “responsible use of alcohol.” Mr. Chairman, what is responsible use of Mr. Ningark (interpretation): Thank alcohol? All of us have different you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, I would definitions, different meanings, and so like to thank Minister Peterson. I was on. I think it’s about safe and legal use one of the members of the task force that of alcohol. That’s what it is. Across went to the communities, not because I Nunavut, we have restricted was able to do the job and I’m not an communities, we have prohibited expert on alcohol.

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5081 communities, and we have open We have attended many public meetings communities, and so on. and you see the desperate families, children, parents, grandparents, and (interpretation) We wanted to help the leaders. They’re looking for ways to people, but it was really hard to want to curtail the abuse of alcohol. Yes, we help the parents and the grandparents. want to remove the bootleggers, but We saw that when we went to the that’s a tall order. If we can curtail that, communities. Also, we saw the young that’s the recommendation that we came people. Looking at their parents, the up with as a task force. young people looking at their parents consuming alcohol and not wanting their I will support Bill 64. Like I said before, parents to drink too much alcohol, we at least that’s something that we can do saw both and we heard them talking for the time being. Other leadership, about those kinds of stuff. perhaps, will have better remedies to deal with the relentless abuse of alcohol, We were able to have a meeting with the not only in Nunavut, but any territory in young people. We went to the schools the country and in the world. What can and we went to the elders, as well as we do? We can at least try to deal with women’s groups and also the religious the problem of alcohol. Thank you, Mr. people, such as the churches in the Chairman. community. They all know what alcohol can do, such as the women’s groups, Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Ningark. teachers, the priest, and the Anglican (interpretation) We are on general ministers. They all know the alcohol will comments and I have no more names on not stop because alcohol will stay here in my list. We shall proceed. Bill 64 is in Nunavut. What they were looking for your legislation binders. If you can find was not to stop alcohol, but to drink less. it, we shall proceed. We will continue. Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act. It’s very hard and what we wanted to do Clause 1. Do you agree? was make it better for the people of Nunavut and the communities. Some Members: Agreed. (interpretation ends) Mr. Chairman, whether Bill 64 is only a band-aid Chairman (interpretation): Clause 2. solution for the time being, we know that Mr. Curley. the flow of alcohol will never stop flowing. There is no way to plug it. Committee Motion 013 – 3(3): Why? It’s all about human nature. Deletion of Clause 2 of Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act Bill 64 can be amended in the future. (Curley) Bill 64 can be replaced with a new Act. Mr. Curley: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, Bill 64 is not an absolute statute. I hate I have a motion for the committee. Mr. to say that, but that’s the reality. Bill 64, Chairman, I move that clause 2 of the An Act to Amend the Liquor Act, is bill be deleted. subject to the interpretation of the law at every level: territorial or the Supreme Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Court. Mr. Curley. There is a motion on the

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5082 floor. The motion is in order. Just before to Ms. Ugyuk, Mr. Tapardjuk, did you we continue on with the motion, I have have your hand up? Mr. Tapardjuk. some comments to make as to the procedures. Every member has the right Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): I really to speak once to the motion for a total of wanted to move a motion, so I put my 20 minutes. The mover of the motion hand up, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. speaks first. The mover of the motion has the right to the last reply. Please Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. remember that. To the motion. Mr. Ms. Ugyuk, to the motion. Curley. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will not support the Mr. Chairman. Like I said earlier when I proposed amendment. We’re talking was speaking to the minister’s opening about responsible drinking or comments, this was defeated and the responsible use of alcohol. There are a minister has to respect the Standing lot of people who are non-drinkers. I’ve Committee on Legislation, but their had discussions with both sides. What wishes were not done. We have to say the government is proposing is the here in this House that we have to be responsible use of alcohol and I will be visible when we are in the House supporting this. Thank you, Mr. because we did not get our wish at the Chairman. committee stage. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, It states that the money from the liquor Ms. Ningark. My mistake. revolving fund may be used for expenses related to education campaigns and >>Laughter promoting socially responsible use of liquor up to a prescribed amount. It (interpretation ends) The last day of the doesn’t say that they will be or it doesn’t sitting. Excuse me. (interpretation) say that it shall be used. It says that it Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. I apologize. Mr. may be used. They shouldn’t say “may.” Ningark. Maybe it would be better that if there is no policy in place, it doesn’t say “may.” Mr. Ningark (interpretation): I’m not Ms. Ningark. The people of Nunavut have to know that they will have… . Why do they >>Laughter want us to pass this amendment? There are a lot of people who would like to Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank my take a program with respect to liquor. fellow Kitikmeot Members of the That’s the first thing that should be done Legislative Assembly. by the government. When you’re voting, I would like to urge you to support the When you’re dealing with such a big motion to delete clause 2, Mr. Chairman. issue, it is a heavy responsibility. Of course, my colleagues each have their Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, own beliefs and they will work hard to Mr. Curley. To the motion. Before I go work on behalf of Nunavummiut. Of

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5083 course, we all have different points of With that, if there is no support for my view. community, then there’s not much we can do with it. Because it is not going to For myself, I used to be told and I have help all of Nunavut, I will be supporting heard that we should not go behind this motion. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. everybody’s back and you have to be open about what you do. That’s good for Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, both your body and your mind. When Mr. Oshutapik. Are there any more you are disciplined too much and you comments to the motion? (interpretation are told you can’t do this or you can’t do ends) Minister Peterson, did you want to that, it makes you want to do the speak to the motion? Minister Peterson. opposite with a rebellious note. Again, as an adult, we have to be given choices Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. and not be overly restricted about Chairman. Yes, I just wanted to offer a anything. If you are more open about few comments. your actions, it helps you both physically and mentally. Mr. Chairman, it has been very informative and I appreciate the Mr. Curley is my friend who moved the Committee of the Whole’s comments, motion. I would like everyone to know your opening comments to my that I will not be supporting the motion comments, and I appreciate the that is on the floor. Thank you, Mr. comments on Mr. Curley’s motion to Chairman. delete clause 2.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, I just wanted to say that this is a key Mr. Ningark. Mr. Oshutapik. component of our proposal to go forward. The money would be used in Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank our ongoing program, the non-legislation you, Mr. Chairman. I would also like to related items in the task force make a comment about the motion that recommendations to address social is being proposed. responsibility and encourage people not to drink because it could have some This is An Act to Amend the Liquor Act serious repercussions in terms of FASD, and this amendment has nothing to do drinking and driving, and violence. with my community because my community and other communities are This component would allow us to use prohibited from the use of alcohol and funds from the revolving fund up to the they don’t even have an alcohol prescribed amount, not an unlimited education committee with that. I will be amount, because we do have to operate supporting all of the motions because it the Nunavut Liquor Commission, but it has no effect on my community and I would allow us to put educational have not been told by my constituents programs and other programs in place to either to support or to oppose any bill help folks to understand the dangers of that will not have any effect on my drinking. It would benefit every community. community in Nunavut, whether it’s a wet community or a restricted

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5084 community or a prohibited community, Mr. Curley. because we do know that bootleggers operate in virtually every community in Mr. Oshutapik. Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Tapardjuk. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Peterson. Are there any more Mr. Rumbolt. comments to the motion? I have no names on my list. I now give the mover Mr. Ningeongan. an opportunity to make a last reply, if so wished. Mr. Curley. All those opposed to the motion, please rise and stay standing until your name is Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you, called. Mr. Chairman. As I indicated earlier, at one of our committee meetings, the Mr. Ningark. minister appeared in front of the committee and there were more people Mr. Aupaluktuq. who were opposed to clause 2. Even if it’s taken out of this proposed Ms. Ugyuk. amendment, Nunavut will still go ahead. There will be some people who will not Mr. Elliott. be able to get help for the misuse of alcohol. Is there going to be education Mr. Schell. available? I don’t know. There’s no mention of how much funding will be (interpretation ends) The rules and provided annually. It’s bait that was put regulations of the House, apparently, in front of the people over here. Minister Peterson, if you want to take a vote, you have to be properly in your The committee has indicated that they place in the House, in your normal place. did not support this and because of that, I will seek and continue. I would like to have a recorded vote so that we will see who supports or who Mr. Arreak. doesn’t support the motion. Thank you. Mr. Shewchuk. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley. The member indicated that Mr. Taptuna. he would like a recorded vote. Are you asking for a recorded vote, Mr. Curley? Ms. Aariak.

Mr. Curley (interpretation): Yes, please. Ms. Ell.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Kusugak. A recorded vote has been requested. All those in favour of the motion, please rise Mr. Peterson. and sit down when your name has been called.

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(interpretation) Thank you. Any Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. abstentions? There were 5 in favour of Chairman. I thank Mr. Elliott for the the motion and 12 opposed to the question. Mr. Chairman, the expenses motion. Therefore, the motion is will be related to the purchase and defeated. selling of alcohol in Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We were on clause 2. Do you agree to clause 2 as amended? I apologize. Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Elliott. Minister Peterson. Mr. Elliott.

Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. do have questions now that we have In terms of educational campaigns or determined whether the clause will stay promoting socially responsible use of or not. Specifically to the idea of a liquor liquor, will these be funds that alcohol revolving fund, I think I have the same education committees can access to concern as Mr. Curley in terms of the work towards that goal? Thank you, Mr. word “may” being used. Could the Chairman. minister just confirm that a liquor revolving fund will be set up? Thank Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Elliott. Minister Peterson.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Elliott. Minister Peterson. Chairman. I thank Mr. Elliott for the question. Mr. Chairman, I believe that Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. those funds could be used for supporting Chairman. I thank Mr. Elliott for the alcohol education committees. Thank question. Mr. Chairman, the Liquor you, Mr. Chairman. Revolving Fund already exists and this will allow us to incur additional Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, expenses that were not allowed before. Minister Peterson. Mr. Elliott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Peterson. Mr. Elliott. An Hon. Member: A point of order.

Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Excuse me, Mr. Elliott. We Again, I think sometimes there are have a point of order. Mr. Tapardjuk, different interpretations of the law and your point of order. it’s always the intention that we’re trying to get at. What are these other expenses Point of Order that he is talking about? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe clause 2 Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, has already been voted on. Are we going Mr. Elliott. Minister Peterson. to be going back to it after the fact? Are we going to be given the right to ask

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5086 questions to the minister? Now we’re Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. asking questions about it after the In regard to this clause, when you’re motion has been put on the floor and talking about education, campaigns, and voted on. promotion, I believe the minister had talked about and said that alcohol Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. education committees would be able to If I may, as your Chairman, apply for the funding. My other question (interpretation) I know that there are is: who else will be able to apply for this going to be other motions afterwards. funding? Is it non-profit organizations? We’re going to go through the same Will it be hamlets? If there is a treatment procedure. We would like to hear those facility somewhere within the territory, types of questions at the beginning will they be used for purchasing beds? If because they’re all similar, just different you could give us some indication of numbers. I would like to deliberate on it what the plan is for this. Thank you, Mr. without any grey areas. I think there are Chairman. going to be about five motions that are going to be proposed. With that, we will Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, take a 10-minute break so that I can Mr. Elliott. Minister Peterson. make a decision and we can proceed smoothly afterwards. Thank you. We Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. will now take a 10-minute break. Chairman. I thank Mr. Elliott for seeking clarification. Mr. Chairman, at this point, >>Committee recessed at 15:22 and the funds would be for used for social resumed at 15:36 responsibility programs, not for building facilities and such. Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman. for coming back. We can proceed with the Committee of the Whole. There was Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, a point of order. After doing a review, as Minister Peterson. Mr. Ningark. the Chairman, the point of order is out of order because we’re still on clause 2 and Mr. Ningark: Thank you, Mr. everyone has an opportunity to ask Chairman. I live and work in one dry questions. community, technically dry, if you will, Mr. Chairman. When we talk about With that, we will proceed. I apologize money, money seems like it knows no for making a mistake earlier. Following boundary. Even in a dry community, we our rules, Mr. Peterson can participate in can access this fund, can we, Mr. the vote, even at the witness table, if he Chairman? Thank you. so wishes. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, We will proceed then. We are on Bill 64, Mr. Ningark. Minister Peterson. An Act to Amend the Liquor Act. Clause 2. Do you agree? Mr. Elliott. Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank Mr. Ningark for the question. Under the social responsibility programs, it will be territorial-wide, so

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5087 all communities would participate and lot of my constituents have stated that if benefit. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. there should be a liquor store.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Also, the Mayor of Hall Beach wrote a Minister Peterson. Mr. Ningark. letter and indicated that he was concerned about the possibility of a Mr. Ningark: Thank you, Mr. liquor store being opened in Igloolik. Of Chairman. I thank the hon. minister. I course, Hall Beach is very close to will certainly support this clause. Thank Igloolik that there would be a flow of you. alcohol to Hall Beach. With Bill 64, the Mayor of Hall Beach was the only one Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Ningark. who responded and I’m very concerned (interpretation) Clause 2. Do you agree? with that.

Some Members: Agreed. I believe that we should delete clause 3. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Clause 3. Do you agree? Mr. Tapardjuk. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. To the motion. Mr. Committee Motion 014 – 3(3): Ningeongan. Deletion of Clause 3 of Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank (Tapardjuk) you, Mr. Chairman. With the motion and Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank when we’re voting, I will be supporting you, Mr. Chairman. I have a motion. I the deletion of clause 3. One thing that I would like to move that clause 3 of the can’t understand is that my constituents, bill be deleted. especially in Coral Harbour, have to know or understand the Act. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. The motion is in order. I I have been confused since we have been believe you remember the rules that I doing this about the task force. They outlined to you. The mover of the were the ones who were going to the motion speaks first. You may proceed, communities on this issue. They went Mr. Tapardjuk. out to the communities to find out what the people of Nunavut wanted. Now, Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank after all that, after the recommendations you, Mr. Chairman. Again, clause 3 were made and that, it seems like we’re indicates that the purchaser, and I’m sure now lying to the people of Nunavut. we’re talking about alcohol, carrying We’re doing the exact opposite. with him or her, if the purchaser has purchased liquor from a liquor store The task force indicated that the designated under the regulations. On government create a totally new Liquor repeated occasions, I have stated that Act. The task force went out to the Bill 64 is only an amendment. Without communities and that’s what the people doing a total review of the Liquor Act, a of Nunavut wanted. I’m sure that you heard that. The government is doing the

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5088 exact opposite. We’re going to go Coral Harbour, it is prohibited and I against what the people of Nunavut said. have seen a big change in the lifestyle of Is that what the government is saying to our community. I’m sure it would have the people of Nunavut? been a totally different case if it was a restricted community. Again, our Mr. Chairman, my community has voted community being prohibited has been a against being a restricted community for benefit. I will be supporting this motion, many years by way of a plebiscite. With Mr. Chairman. Thank you. that, they have been able to get material things instead of using it on alcohol and Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, they’re more responsible. They’re Mr. Ningeongan. Mr. Curley. managing it better. Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you, I heard one of my colleagues say that not Mr. Chairman. I have two questions in everybody drinks alcohol, but then there regard to the motion. First of all, I is also alcohol abuse, which is being support this motion. It seems to be a given less restriction under this clause. different bill from the minister’s opening You can buy more alcohol. We’re saying comments. The minister stated that it’s a to the people out there that our pilot project, but looking at this bill, it government was given a mandate to get doesn’t say anything about a pilot more alcohol to Nunavut. You’re going project; whether it’s beer or wine, it says to be able to carry more alcohol from all liquor. It doesn’t say just beer and Winnipeg or other southern gateways wine. It seems like this bill is giving and bring it to your community. more power to the minister.

Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to state my Maybe these outlets would be opened opinion. The people were visited by the within a year. This will have to be task force. They identified what they clearly identified. My question is: wanted and now this government is sometimes there are two sides in the saying the exact opposite. If the community; there are dry communities government is going to do that to their who choose not to have alcohol in the people, it’s not going to be very good in community and some communities are the future. controlled with limited amounts. If government wants an outlet open, are Lastly, Mr. Chairman, since we have a these people who were looking after lot to deal with, during our standing these alcohol committee limits going to committee meeting, there were more disappear? Thank you. people who voted to have those clauses deleted and now we see fewer people in Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, the House. Mr. Curley. At this time, we’re making comments to the motion and we could Under clause 3, we will be able to bring only speak to the motion. Once we start in more alcohol from the southern going through clause by clause, then you gateways. We’re talking about ask questions. At this time, we’re just management. It seems to be making the going to discuss the motion only and if problem bigger. I’m not mad, but in you have any questions later, you will

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5089 have an opportunity. Are any further Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, comments to the motion? Mr. Ningark. Ms. Ugyuk. I don’t have any more names on my list for comments to the Mr. Ningark (interpretation): Thank motion. I would like to give Mr. you, Mr. Chairman. As I said, whatever I Tapardjuk an opportunity to make his said in different places, it could be last reply to the motion. Mr. Tapardjuk. changed. I could change my mind according to my wishes and wishes of Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank my constituency and democracy within you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to say a our government. small comment. While we’re dealing with Bill 64, I would like to ask some As we heard from our communities and more questions later on. we know that in our communities, there are bootleggers who are selling 24/7 and Mr. Chairman, when you’re reviewing we don’t want to produce their names. all of Bill 64, there are some pilot Why is that? Are we supporting the ones projects that are proposed. It seems who are destroying the lives of the youth obvious that maybe one or two and elders? They’re changing the future. communities will have a pilot project. With this amendment, people can Therefore, this clause 3(a)(1) states, purchase alcohol, have possession, and (interpretation ends) “store designated take it home. Under Bill 65 3(a)(1), under the regulations.” (interpretation) that’s what it seems to be saying. This is This does not change the Act. I don’t a concern because it was supposed to be want to support those people who reviewed again on whether they’re going change lives. Therefore, I support this to sell only beer and wine. clause 3. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are concerns that are being Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, brought up on whether dry communities Mr. Ningark. To the motion. Ms. Ugyuk. can have access to the beer and wine. There is nothing in this bill. What’s Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, going to happen with those Mr. Chairman. In regard to clause 3, I communities? I think this wouldn’t be a will not support the motion for the concern if the whole Act was amended. reason being that some communities are These amendments for the Act are the open or dry or controlled communities. ones we inherited from the NWT, which Taloyoak is open and Gjoa Haven is a hasn’t been changed since then. They dry community. There are people who have stated that they would do the drink responsibly and they have review of the whole Act. Therefore, I am authority to do so. lost because of the agreement that we made as a committee. They said these are coming from the task force. We have to listen to those who are Mr. Chairman, at this time, I don’t feel doing well also. So therefore, I will be that we should deal with this bill. So supporting this motion. Thank you, Mr. when you put this to a vote, I would like Chairman. to have it recorded. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Thank you. There were 5 who supported Mr. Tapardjuk. You were the last one to the motion and there are 12 against. make comments. The way I understand, Therefore, the motion is defeated. you want to have a vote recorded. For that reason, all those who support the We will go back. Clause 3. Do you motion, please rise and remain standing agree? Mr. Curley. until I call your name. Mr. Curley (interpretation): Mr. Mr. Tapardjuk. Chairman, I had a question on this and it was understandable in my preamble, Mr. Oshutapik. according to the policy, the communities have plebiscites and they have to use this Mr. Curley. again. If this opens and if it’s designated community A or B or C, they will be Mr. Ningeongan. able to purchase liquor. We are not going to use the old legislation. Will Mr. Rumbolt. they have an opportunity to hold another plebiscite where the store is going to be? All those who are against the motion, (interpretation ends) Thank you. please stand and remain standing until your name is called. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley. Minister Peterson. Mr. Ningark. Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Aupaluktuq. Chairman. I thank Mr. Curley for the question. Mr. Chairman, there would be Ms. Ugyuk. no change to the local option. If a community is prohibited, it is prohibited. Mr. Elliott. If it is restricted, it is restricted. If it is open, it is open. I said in my opening Mr. Schell. comments that we would consult with any community extensively before we Mr. Peterson. move in that direction and there would very likely be consultations with the Mr. Arreak. hamlet councils and community groups. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Shewchuk. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Taptuna. Minister Peterson. Mr. Curley.

Ms. Aariak. Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand that. I think it begs the Ms. Ell. question, though, what the consultation means. Would it involve another task Mr. Kusugak. force to ask these particular communities A or B or C involving some MLAs so

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5091 that they are bound by the Mr. Chairman. recommendations of a task force? So my question is: if it’s a legal mechanism to Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, consult, would the consultation be in a Minister Peterson. We are on clause 3. form of a plebiscite or just by way of Clause 3. Do you agree? official-to-official consultation? Thank you. Some Members: Agreed.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Curley. Minister Peterson. Clause 4. Do you agree? Mr. Curley.

Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Committee Motion 015 – 3(3): Chairman. I thank Mr. Curley for the Deletion of Clause 4 of Bill 64, An question. First of all, there will not be Act to Amend the Liquor Act another task force to consult with a (Curley) community. The consultations or Mr. Curley: Thank you. (interpretation) discussions that I’m talking about would Mr. Chairman, I have a motion for be one on one with all of the affected clause 4, (interpretation ends) that clause members of a community. Thank you, 4 of the bill be deleted. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley. The motion is in order. I Minister Peterson. Clause 3. Mr. Elliott. think you remember our rules. I give Mr. Curley an opportunity to speak to his Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. motion. Mr. Curley. The answer that the minister just gave for some of the other concerns that other Mr. Curley: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, members had, you had mentioned that it however, the minister or those who would be the individual community and support the bill indicate that social stakeholders within the community. responsibility should override any What about some of the issues addressed possible increase in crimes committed. by other members and also by the Mayor Alcohol-related increases in law and of Hall Beach in the sense that if one order enforcement, as well as social community that is close decides, will the problems definitely will increase by closer surrounding communities be having certain purchases of liquor in the consulted as well, as they might have a prescribed vendors where the part in this? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. government controls alcohol warehouses. It’s not an answer for Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Nunavutmiut. Mr. Elliott. Minister Peterson. The bill speaks some ideas that there Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. would be some increased funding for all Chairman. I thank Mr. Elliott for the that stuff, but the government has not at question. Yes, we would consult with all put forward an action plan on exactly neighbouring communities. Thank you, how that’s going to work. Without that, you cannot have funded programs,

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5092 despite legislation being in front of this regard, yes, I may have stated differently Committee of the Whole. in committee meetings and stuff, so I think I had a chance to make my own In that regard, I think my colleagues independent review and vote in the way have indicated and a majority of the that I was elected. People keep saying legislation committee, at least six of us, that these people are selling liquor 24/7. voted against all these four or five It has a very unforgiving damage, clauses of the bill. I think we should be especially in our youth and about their held accountable for Nunavutmiut that future. this bill, this clause, regardless of however it is defended, is not a good Again, I will support this section of Bill priority for Nunavutmiut. 64. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Therefore, I urge all of you again to Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, exercise your conscience, not just trying Mr. Ningark. Are there any more to find a quick solution, and vote in comments to the motion? Ms. Ugyuk. favour of supporting my motion. Thank you. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know that Bill 64 is Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, only an amendment to the bill and Mr. Curley. Are there any comments to people are having trouble, but we are the motion? Mr. Ningark. elected to deal with any issue. If we’re going to be worried about the people Mr. Ningark: Thank you, Mr. who drink alcohol and do bad things, we Chairman. When I took part in have to give them something to start consultations in some of the with in solving this problem. If we’re communities in Nunavut, there were all concerned about them as MLAs, we kinds of people, all walks of life here in could promote and say that spouses Nunavut. We were looking for a way to should not abuse each other. We are find solutions to the relentless abuse of given some solutions and we’re able to alcohol. discuss it and we appreciate that. Therefore, I will support this motion. One particular thing kept coming up. It Thank you, Mr. Chairman. is either put the bootleggers out of business or curtail it or do something Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, about it. People say that we know who Ms. Ugyuk. Are there any more they are, people know who they are, but comments to the motion? Minister people are not coming forward with Peterson. these. They don’t want to kill the source at the community level. Many people Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. know exactly who they are. Chairman. I thank the members for their comments. Mr. Chairman, I would like I believe Bill 64, in its entirety, if you to provide some clarity here. will, is trying to find ways and remedies to make it legal and try and get these The task force, as I said in my opening bootleggers out of business. In that comments, did a lot of great work and I

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5093 appreciate the work they did. They made There is a market out there for hard many recommendations, but the overall alcohol. We’re saying that we can break theme in their recommendations was to that market if we liberalize access to liberalize alcohol in Nunavut, beer and wine. That’s simply all we’re particularly the beer and wine, as I said proposing to do it. We wouldn’t open up in my opening comments. They a retail store in a community where the recognize that prohibition has not been community was against it, absolutely working. not. I want to allay the concerns of any members who think that the government We all know of communities in is going to come along and open up a Nunavut, and I have been in several of beer and wine store without local them, where they are prohibited, yet they community input and the communities in have a huge problem with alcohol in a the surrounding area. Thank you, Mr. restricted or prohibited community. In Chairman. fact, we know of one community where it’s prohibited, yet the local hamlet Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, council will be trying to pass a nuisance Minister Peterson. Are there any further by-law to address the alcohol. comments to the motion? I have no more Regardless of what we think, the alcohol names on my list. Does the mover have a is out there. It’s causing a lot of harm to last reply? Mr. Curley. our communities. So this is an effort, as I said, to liberalize access to alcohol and Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. put focus on beer and wine. I just want to have this vote be recorded, please. Thank you. We have learned from the Greenland experience where they had similar huge Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, issues with alcohol in their country. If Mr. Curley. There is a request to have a they open up beer and wine stores and recorded vote. All those in favour of the liberalize access to beer and wine stores, motion, please rise and remain standing the drinking issues are reduced. They are until your name is called. not eliminated, but they are giving their citizens the responsibility to learn to be Mr. Ningeongan. more responsible. Mr. Rumbolt. We’re very restrictive and when people want to find alcohol or get alcohol, they Mr. Tapardjuk. will find a way. It’s unfortunate there are bootleggers in every community. When I Mr. Oshutapik. was Minister of Justice, I was at, they call it a scrum, I guess, a media scrum Mr. Curley. where there was literally a mountain of Smirnoff against a wall that they seized All those against the motion, please rise from bootleggers in this community. It and remain standing until your name is was astounding to see the amount of called. alcohol that the RCMP seized, and then there are all of the smaller bootleggers. Mr. Ningark.

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Mr. Aupaluktuq. are still using the same rules for this motion, so I will not repeat them. Mr. Ms. Ugyuk. Curley, I will allow you to make your comments to the motion. Mr. Curley. Mr. Elliott. Mr. Curley: Thank you, Iksivautaaq. Mr. Schell. (interpretation) The motion that I have is the same. It will liberalize how the Mr. Peterson. alcohol is going to be purchased. Although I understand what the minister Mr. Arreak. is stating, we can’t control the people who commit crimes. It seems like we Mr. Shewchuk. open more opportunities for more negativity for Nunavutmiut, even though Mr. Taptuna. we’re saying that we need to eradicate violence against women and children Ms. Aariak. due to alcohol consumption. For that reason, we used to have prohibited or Ms. Ell. restricted communities.

Mr. Kusugak. Under clause 5, it seems like it opens more opportunities and it’s not going to Thank you. There were five in support of be supporting the people at the the motion. There were 12 who opposed community level. Six members of the the motion. The motion is defeated. standing committee were in support of deleting this clause and they voted Going back. We are on the review of according to the wishes of their Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act. constituents. For that reason, it would be Clause 4. Do you agree? better for Nunavutmiut if we delete this clause under this bill. Thank you, Mr. Some Members: Agreed. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Clause 5. Do Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, you agree? Mr. Curley. Mr. Curley. Before I ask if there are any more comments to the motion, I would Committee Motion 016 – 3(3): like to remind you that if you will be Deletion of Clause 5 of Bill 64, An speaking to the motion, you should stick Act to Amend the Liquor Act to the motion and not go off topic. At (Curley) this time, are there any more comments Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. to the motion? Mr. Ningark. (interpretation) I move that clause 5 of the bill be deleted. (interpretation ends) Mr. Ningark (interpretation): Thank Thank you, Iksivautaaq. you, Mr. Chairman. I also thank the mover of the motion, my good friend. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Sometimes we speak in the House in Mr. Curley. The motion is in order. We front of the people who are watching.

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Do I have a point of order? Perhaps I can come along and open up a beer and wine hear too clearly now. I apologize. It was store. If the community does not wish to too quiet. have that, then, again, we will not do that. I know that we have authority and power at the local level, whether it be a small This area, this whole section here, community or a larger community. The section 5, is necessary for the people at the community level can take government so that we can regulate what care of themselves. I also have stated we sell. It is an important clause in this that myself. I believe that the whole Liquor Act. Thank you, Mr. communities can manage themselves. I Chairman. am in support of clause 5, in view of the communities’ ability, such as Repulse Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Bay and Kugaaruk. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Peterson. Are there any further Chairman. comments to the motion? Mr. Tapardjuk.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank Mr. Ningark. Are there any comments to you, Mr. Chairman. I was against just to the motion? Mr. Peterson. amend the Liquor Act. There were too many clauses that could have been Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. improved. The government could have Chairman. I thank you for the come up with new legislation. The task opportunity. Since we’re in the spirit of force consulted with the communities of transparency and openness here, when I Nunavut. I am sure the members of the appeared in front of the standing task force are not too pleased about this committee, I was not just representing because this legislation is not following myself; I represented myself and six the recommendations of the task force. colleagues. So there were seven of us there when I was at the table and it is Mr. Chairman, under clause 5, it government legislation. designates liquor stores from purchasers. I believe that we need to deal with this I respect the comments and the votes of and discuss this further. We do have the five members who voted to delete in problems. There is home-made alcohol this standing committee, but the fact of available and it’s not even mentioned the matter is that I didn’t concur and I here. Under clause 5, it designates liquor felt it was in the best interest of all of us stores, not homebrew. There are a lot of that we come to the Chamber to have social problems arising from this. this discussion and debate. I appreciate Therefore, I urge the members to support that we are here today having that the motion to delete clause 5. Thank conversation. you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Speaker, again I want to assure Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, members that we’re hoping that the local Mr. Tapardjuk. Are there any comments option that the community is restricted to the motion? Ms. Ugyuk. or prohibited will be respected. It is not a case where the government is going to

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Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, motion, Mr. Curley, have a last reply? Mr. Chairman. I’m not going to be in Mr. Curley. support of this motion because people just don’t consume alcohol from the Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you. stores, but they also consume homebrew This motion is self-explanatory and it’s too, which I know is not healthy. not that complex. I move that clause 5 of Homebrew is not healthy and sometimes the bill be deleted. I know that there is a they drink methyl alcohol and also hand majority who would like to see the sale sanitizers because they crave alcohol so of alcohol liberalized, but being more badly. They’re not only young people liberal does not necessarily mean that it who abuse alcohol; even adults do that gets better and improves. We get scared in Nunavut. I would like to see less of of people who commit crimes and when that occurring. I’ll be in support of they do something wrong to the children, clause 5. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. it becomes very scary. Social workers are overloaded with work. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Are there any more Even though the minister states that with comments to the motion? Mr. the bootlegging fines going to the Ningeongan. revolving fund and if the bootlegging fines would go to the revolving funds, Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank then they could use the funding for you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to be in alcohol education, coming from the fines support of this motion because in of the people who commit crimes. It Nunavut, the Department of Justice, and becomes evident. Is it going to increase also at the RCMP, we hear that alcohol the number of people who have been is the major cause of crimes. In fined or are we going to increase the communities that are not prohibited or number of people who are fined so that controlled, there are murders that occur. they will be getting more money from Alcohol is usually the cause of the the fines? I cannot expect to see the murders. It seems like we’re providing funds being used for education. Also, a more opportunities for such crimes to member from the task force had stated occur. that 50 percent of the people who have been fined for their crimes are unable to We see and hear that alcohol is the major pay for their fines. How can we go cause of crimes. We usually hear that it through with it? causes more social problems. We have to think very carefully. If we think very This clause 5 is not in support of carefully about that, we wouldn’t be able Nunavutmiut. I urge all members to to agree with that. Thank you, Mr. support my motion and with a recorded Chairman. vote, it will be clearly on the record. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. Are there any more Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, comments to the motion? I have no more Mr. Curley. For clarity, are you asking names on my list. Does the mover of the for a recorded vote? Mr. Curley.

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Mr. Curley: Yes. Thank you. Thank you. There are 4 in support of the motion and 12 opposed. The motion is Chairman (interpretation): There’s a defeated. request for a recorded vote. All those in favour of the motion, please rise and I am sorry, my colleagues. The numbers remain standing until your name is we had were incorrect. Just to report called. further, those who were in support of the motion were 5 and 12 opposed. The Mr. Curley. motion is defeated.

Mr. Oshutapik. Moving on. We are on Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act. Clause 5. Do you Mr. Tapardjuk. agree?

Mr. Rumbolt. Some Members: Agreed.

Mr. Ningeongan. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Clause 6. Do you agree? Mr. Tapardjuk. Thank you. All those who oppose the motion, please rise and remain standing Committee Motion 017 – 3(3): until your name has been called. Deletion of Clause 6 of Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act Mr. Ningark. (Tapardjuk) Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank Mr. Aupaluktuq. you, Mr. Chairman. I move that clause 6 of the bill be deleted. Ms. Ugyuk. Chairman (interpretation): There’s a Mr. Elliott. motion on the floor and the motion is in order. I will allow Mr. Tapardjuk to Mr. Peterson, I’m sorry. Mr. Schell. speak first to the motion.

Mr. Peterson. Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I cannot really state Mr. Arreak. what I kept saying. Clause 6 increases the amount of alcohol that can be Mr. Shewchuk. brought home. It increases the allowance of amount of liquor that they can take. Mr. Taptuna. Clause 6 increases the number of alcohol that can be brought home with a Ms. Aariak. contravening legislation. I am against this clause and I believe it should not Ms. Ell. even be here, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

Mr. Kusugak. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. Are there any comments

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5098 to the motion? Mr. Elliott. I have a lot of faith in my constituents that I represent and I believe in them to Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. make the best decisions for their lives. I Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I do find it funny sometimes that a lot of know I haven’t said anything yet. I’ll try members who do talk about being to make sure that I don’t bring up any repressed by others and not treated like points of order, but this is definitely one adults or equals want to try to do the of the hardest bills to date and it is same to other people. interesting that it is our last one. I think one of the things makes this If you listen to all of the comments that decision or makes this bill so hard in have been made so far today, a lot of terms of deciding what to make as a vote them do represent what the task force is that a lot of people say, “The elephant have said in its report in terms how this in the room,” which is, “What do we bill has been one of the bills that have do?” We have a choice to do nothing, kind of polarized all of the regular erase all the clauses in the bill, and then members in terms of how do you make a nothing happens. There are no changes decision on a situation that affects and it is status quo. So at that point, we everyone and all of the communities and have no way of gauging whether things could potentially cause harm. At the will get better or whether they will get same time, I know that one of the worse. I have seen it a lot. Tamapta Mandate words or catchphrases seems to be “self-reliance.” I have mentioned many times about the splitting of the Department of Health and I am proud that I have three Social Services. To people not involved communities. In Grise Fiord, it is an in the departments, people in the open community. I wouldn’t say that communities, it’s easy to say, “We will there are no problems, but I wouldn’t say just split the Department of Health and that there are more problems than any Social Services,” but it’s a huge task to other community where they are do that. The point I’m making is that restricted or whether they are dry. In sometimes governments, MLAs, regular terms of Resolute Bay and Arctic Bay, members, and caucus members have to both are restricted. This amendment will make bold choices and hard choices. I not change it and I think that is one the guess this is probably one of the hardest things that really needs to be made clear. decisions I know I’ve had to make. I find it interesting and again, maybe this is Regardless of how your community is part of the reason we, as a standing set up, with Resolute Bay and Arctic committee, are polarized in our decisions Bay being restricted, they would still of the ways people are going to vote. require permission to bring alcohol into those communities, so it’s not an At the same time, in seeking input from increase. I figured clause 6, for me, was the communities, we did not get a lot of one of the ones. What do we do? Do we input back. Letters were written out to increase the amount that can be brought every hamlet office and one hamlet in or not? I think that was one of most replied. You could say, “Well, maybe contentious one. people didn’t see it. Maybe people didn’t

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5099 apply.” But I think maybe that speaks to Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. the reason. We’re forced to make this Definitely, I think, at the same time, we decision. It’s before us. We can’t not cannot get away from the total intent of reply and I think, for a lot of people, a the bill as it is presented by the minister. lot of people have not replied because One thing for sure is that the size, large what do you do? What are the decisions? or small, is really not so much of an Do you increase things? Do you issue whether or not how much can be decrease things? Are we going to cause taken by the purchaser from the vendor harm? and so on. That’s really just manipulating, not necessarily decreasing I’m speaking to the motion in the sense the amount of consumption or whatever. that do we increase the amount of spirits Eventually, it will lead to one thing. and wines going to the community or do we decrease them. At the end of the day, I know that the government is well like other members have said, I think aware that the leading cause of the everyone has to vote with their crimes committed or the court cases that conscience and has to vote with their increase the whole cases of the law and community. order system are alcohol-related. I was amazed this summer that even a As I mentioned earlier, with representing territorial judge indicated that Nunavut three communities, it is hard sometimes is really not geared towards having coming up with one way of going, but at various programs or whatnot to address the same time, I can’t see in terms of social problems that affect people with Grise Fiord has the responsibility of how crimes that cause them to go to the court they do handle alcohol already. They’re case, and so on. doing fine. As for Resolute Bay and Arctic Bay, this particular motion No. 6 What we’re doing on the last day of the doesn’t change anything in the way of Third Assembly now is trying to alcohol being brought into the increase the amount of supply of alcohol community. So I will be voting against and liberalizing so that there appears to this motion. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. be seen the freedom of choice accorded to individuals, but freedom of choice is Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, allowing them to have more increase in Mr. Elliott. Before I ask for further violence, family problems, and law and comments to the motion, I would like to order infractions related to alcohol. It is remind members for the last time that not one that we should be dealing with when you speak to the motion, please try on the last day of this Assembly. and stick to the motion. Mr. Ningark. Nunavutmiut deserve better Mr. Ningark (interpretation): I wanted representation by MLAs. Increasing the to state that I will not be supporting the amount of liquor available to them that motion. Thank you. they have been restricted to purchase, increasing them to particular sizes, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, increasing the supplies, and liberalizing Mr. Ningark. Mr. Curley. are not going to solve our social

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5100 problems. It increases court caseloads in alcohol consumption. For that reason, Nunavut. It’s not going to limit them. what I’m trying to say is to defeat Bill 64 so that the people that we represent It is shameful that we have to vote as can have a better life. I’m not really sure such, but I again urge the members to exactly what we’re doing with them. comply with the directions from the Standing Committee on Legislation that I would like to also have a recorded vote defeated all of these five motions. It is a on the motion concerning clause 6. shame that the minister does not respect Thank you. the wishes of the standing committee when they voted to defeat the minister’s Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, bill. Mr. Tapardjuk. As the Chair, do I understand that you are asking for a Mr. Chairman, again I will be in support vote? Mr. Tapardjuk. of the motion and thereby, I urge all of my colleagues to do the same. Thank Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Yes, you. Mr. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley. Are there any more Mr. Tapardjuk. There is a request for a comments to the motion? I have no more recorded vote. All those in favour of the names on my list. The mover of the motion, please rise and remain standing motion, Mr. Tapardjuk, if you have a last until your name is called. reply, you can proceed. Mr. Tapardjuk. Mr. Tapardjuk. Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that there are Mr. Oshutapik. going to be more spirits, beer, and wine available. There are going to be more Mr. Curley. problems with that. We all know that there are a lot of spousal assaults and Mr. Ningeongan. children not being looked after because of alcohol consumption in a family. Mr. Rumbolt. People escape to shelters because of people who consume alcohol that Thank you. All those opposed to the usually become violent. What we’re motion, please rise and remain standing trying to do is protect the families to stay until your name is called. together, but with more alcohol consumption, that is not going to Mr. Ningark. happen. Mr. Aupaluktuq. It just seems like Bill 64 is giving more freedom to the people to buy those Ms. Ugyuk. spirits, beer, and wine. What we should be doing is making the lives of families Mr. Elliott. better and to love each other without

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Mr. Schell. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Peterson. Mr. Elliott. Mr. Peterson. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Arreak. Again, for clause 6, in terms of the increase, how will the government Mr. Shewchuk. regulate this? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Taptuna. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Minister Peterson. Ms. Aariak. Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Ell. Chairman. I thank Mr. Elliott for the question. Mr. Chairman, these amounts Mr. Kusugak. are what is allowed with or without a permit. Now, if people are going to live Thank you. There were 5 in favour of in a restricted community or prohibited the motion and 12 opposed. The motion community, then they will have to deal is defeated. with their alcohol education committees and respect the local controls. Thank Continuing on. We are on Bill 64, An you, Mr. Chairman. Act to Amend the Liquor Act. Clause 6. Do you agree? Mr. Rumbolt. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Peterson. Mr. Elliott. Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have one quick Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. question. Clause 6 deals with the Thanks for that clarification. In terms of increase in the amounts of alcohol whether it’s a community that’s permitted to be imported. I’m just restricted or not, but say, for example, if wondering what rationale was used to you’re living in Iqaluit, which there are come up with the amount of increase of no restrictions, and someone goes off on alcohol for the imports. Thank you, Mr. a holiday, they can now go down to Chairman. Ottawa or pick up something from LCBO and bring it back as long as it Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Rumbolt. doesn’t go over the amounts specified Minister Peterson. and they’re not required to get a permit. Is that correct? Thank you, Mr. Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I thank Mr. Rumbolt for the question. Mr. Chairman, the reason for Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, these amounts is Nunavut is aligning Mr. Elliott. Minister Peterson. itself with amounts that are in other jurisdictions, other provinces and Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. territories. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I thank Mr. Elliott for the question. Mr. Chairman, that is correct. Thank you.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Finance, not as the Minister of Health. Minister Peterson. Mr. Elliott. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, And that’s including individuals who are Minister Peterson. Mr. Curley. going on medical travel as well? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Curley: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I have a question. Obviously, in some Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, parts, I could see where it’s possible to Mr. Elliott. Minister Peterson. transport liquor wherever it has been, whether it be legally bought with the >>Laughter amounts prescribed in this legislation. In some parts of the region, individuals will Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. be able to legally buy the amount that’s Chairman. I’m not sure what Mr. accorded to them, but they will also be Elliott’s driving at, but these are the able to transport it themselves to the amounts that you can bring into Nunavut community, not by way of aircraft or without a permit. Thank you, Mr. whatever. So in that case, they bought it Chairman. legally, but once they arrive at a particular destination which is a dry Chairman: Thank you, Minister community, it then becomes illegal. Peterson. Mr. Elliott. The minister knows very well that he’s Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I going to have to address the issue of think what I’m trying to get at, if the bootlegging. There will be individuals minister has not picked up on it, is one because any buyer will not have to be of the things that we’re trying to do with from a particular community. Any the bill is liberalize. I think one of the citizen in Nunavut is going to be able to things that seems to be known, at least buy caseloads of beer and wine within other members have brought it out, is the prescribed amounts that they are that sometimes it is medical travel legally able to, but once they transport it, patients who bring back and sell whether it be through the boat or through bootlegged beer. I was just concerned snowmobile, it becomes illegal. about it. If we’re increasing it, are there mechanisms that his department is going Is the minister prepared to address or to put into place to sort of ensure that even try and provide educational that does not happen or will not continue services rather than just leaving it to the to happen? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. groups or alcohol committees, to that effect? They’re going to be responsible Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, for increasing not only alcohol, but it’s Mr. Elliott. Minister Peterson. going to increase the amount of legal transactions, including bootlegging. Are Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. you prepared to do some educational Chairman. I appreciate Mr. Elliott’s programs over and above what you call concerns, but I’m here as the Minister of education to liberalize liquor sales and consumption in Nunavut? Thank you.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Some Members: Agreed. Mr. Curley. Minister Peterson. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Clause 7. Do you agree? Chairman. As I have indicated in previous answers, the individuals are Some Members: Agreed. limited by the restrictions in their communities. They have to deal with the Chairman (interpretation): Does the alcohol education committees if they’re committee agree to Bill 64 as a whole? prohibited or restricted communities. Mr. Schell.

If they’re hauling a qamutik full of beer, Mr. Schell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I 40 flats, or cases of wine across the would just like to make a brief comment tundra into the community to sell or on being on the liquor task force and bootleg in the community, then they also being an MLA. would be committing a crime if they’re going into a prohibited community or a I appreciated it when Mr. Peterson asked restricted community without a permit me to be on the task force. I did enjoy and they will have to deal with the the consultations that we did with the RCMP, who, I’m sure, would be more communities that I made it to. Being an than happy to apprehend them. MLA and being on the cabinet for a brief period of time has actually put me in a With respect to education, that is what rather awkward position with Bill 64. we will be doing through the social responsibility campaign. We would be Hindsight being worth a lot of money, if using funds from the revolving fund to I had my time back, I probably wouldn’t educate people about the dangers of have joined the task force. Thank you, alcohol and the responsible use of Mr. Chairman. alcohol wherever they live in Nunavut, whether it’s a restricted community or a >>Laughter prohibited community or a wet community. We know that even people Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Schell. I in prohibited communities or restricted will, though, on behalf of all members, communities have access to bootleg thank you for your time spent with the alcohol, but they often travel to other committee. It’s noted. communities or down south. (interpretation) Do you agree to Bill 64 It’s good to know what the dangers of as a whole? alcohol are if you consume too much or if you’re binge drinking or if you’re an Some Members: Agreed. expectant mother. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Does the committee agree that pursuant Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, to Rule 62(2) that Bill 64 is ready for Minister Peterson. We will go back. third reading? Clause 6. Do you agree?

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Some Members: Agreed. there. I would like to thank my finance policy folks, particularly Andrea Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Witzaney-Chown. They did tremendous Minister Peterson, if you have any work on this. I would like to thank my closing remarks, you may proceed. Deputy Minister of Finance, Chris D’Arcy, for his leadership and guidance Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. in getting us to this process today. Chairman. I would like to thank you and your committee for your excellent With that, Mr. Chairman, thank you. scrutiny and questions on Bill 64. It has been a very challenging bill, as Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Minister Schell has told us. I appreciate the task Peterson. (interpretation) As we proceed, force, who did go to every community. I Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the made that commitment years ago that the witnesses out. task force would visit every community. I appreciate Mr. Ningark and Mr. Schell What is the wish of the committee? Mr. for their time. I know it was very Ningeongan. stressful. In some communities, it took them five or six attempts to get in, but Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank they were able to do it. you, Mr. Chairman. Just before we came here to the committee this morning, Mr. I appreciate the recommendations in the Quirke told me that I’ll be able to say the task force report, the overall theme being final prayer. I don’t want it to be the last liberalization of alcohol. We’re going to prayer that I will be making because I take a cautious, moderate approach to want to live again tomorrow. that and implement their recommendations over time. It is an >>Laughter important first step that we are doing this: liberalizing alcohol, particularly Mr. Chairman, at the last sitting of the beer and wine. Assembly, (interpretation ends) at this time, I move a motion to report progress. As we have seen over the years, we all (interpretation) Thank you. know that prohibition and restrictions haven’t worked all that well. We hear all >>Laughter kinds of horror stories in the media and in our communities. Some of these Chairman (interpretation): There is a prohibitions and restrictions are forcing motion on the floor and the motion is not people into the hands of bootleggers. debatable. All those in favour of the That’s just unacceptable. The next motion, raise your hand. Opposed. government will consult with all Thank you. The motion is carried. I will communities as we move forward on this now rise to report progress to the bill. We have to do something about Speaker. eliminating binge drinking. Speaker: Qujannamiik, Sergeant-at- I would like to thank our justice drafter, Arms. Moving on in our orders of the Thomas Ahlfors, in the Gallery over

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5105 day. Item 19. Report of the Committee Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. The of the Whole. Mr. Enook. motion is in order and a recorded vote has been requested. I will ask all Item 19: Report of the Committee of members in favour of the motion to the Whole please rise and then stay standing until your name is called. All those in favour Mr. Enook (interpretation): Mr. of the motion, please rise. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 64 and would like to Mr. Ningark. report that Bill 64 is now ready for third reading. Also, Mr. Speaker, I move that Mr. Aupaluktuq. the Report of the Committee of the Whole be concurred with. Thank you. Ms. Ugyuk.

Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. There Mr. Elliott. is a motion on the floor. Is there a seconder? Thank you, Minister Arreak. Mr. Enook. The motion is in order. All those in favour. Any opposed? The motion is Mr. Schell. carried. Minister Arreak. Moving on in our orders of the day. Item 20. Third Reading of Bills. Minister of Minister Shewchuk. Finance, Minister Peterson. Minister Taptuna. Item 20: Third Reading of Bills Madam Premier. Bill 64 – An Act to Amend the Liquor Act – Third Reading Minister Ell.

Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Minister Kusugak. Speaker. I move, seconded by the Hon. Member for Rankin Inlet South-Whale Minister Peterson. Cove, that Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act, be read for the third time. All those opposed to the motion, please Thank you, Mr. Speaker. rise and stay standing until your name is called. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Peterson. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Mr. Ningeongan. Curley. Mr. Rumbolt. Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I ask for a recorded vote, please, on this Mr. Tapardjuk. bill. Thank you. Mr. Oshutapik.

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Mr. Curley. As you can see, I am here and I have many things to say, even though I’m The results of the motion are 13 in probably behind. favour and 5 opposed. The motion is carried. Bill 64, as such, has been read As the seasons change and it’s getting for the third time and is now ready for colder, I am honoured to be with you assent. today on the occasion of the final sitting of the Third Legislative Assembly of Item 21 in the Orders of the Day. Before Nunavut. we proceed any further, Mr. Clerk, will you ascertain if the Commissioner of I wish to take this opportunity to thank Nunavut is prepared to enter the each and every one of you for your Chambers to give assent to bills. service to Nunavummiut.

Assent to Bills This Assembly and government worked towards the implementation of Tamapta Commissioner and the many Acts created here in the (interpretation): Members of the House, building a sustainable Nunavut Legislative Assembly, please be seated. and keeping up with the rapid population growth and demands. As , I am honoured to give assent to the following Some will be ongoing challenges for the bills: incoming Assembly, not to mention the impacts of resource development on  Bill 32, An Act to Amend the Legal communities and for the mining and oil Services Act; and gas exploration.

 Bill 40, Representative for Children Every time I watch TV, I notice that and Youth Act; every one of you has worked hard towards the betterment of Nunavut. For  Bill 58, Public Service Act; the next Assembly, I’m sure it will be the same again.  Bill 64, An Act to Amend the Liquor Act; For those members who will not be seeking re-election, please accept my  Bill 66, Plebiscites Act; best wishes as you move on to a new chapter in your lives, as you go hunting,  Bill 68, Supplementary and when you have your lives out there. Appropriation (Capital) Act, No. 3, 2013-2014; and As members are aware, a Proclamation of Election was issued on November 1 of last year.  Bill 69, Supplementary Appropriation (Operations and Maintenance) Act, No. 2, 2013-2014. The Third Legislative Assembly will dissolve on September 22, 2013.

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The issuing of writs of election will take take this opportunity to make a brief place on September 23, 2013. statement.

The Fourth General Election will be held It has been my honour to serve as your on October 28, 2013. Speaker for the last two years. The trust and confidence that the House has The date for the return of the writ shall placed in me has been deeply gratifying. be November 4, 2013. I would like to thank all members for their cooperation in ensuring the The first sitting of the Fourth Legislative smoothness of our proceedings. Assembly will be held on a date to be announced. I look forward to delivering As members are aware, I’ve had the the Opening Address at that time. honour and privilege of serving the residents of Iqaluit Centre in this House As Commissioner of Nunavut, I hereby since April 1, 1999. Having sat on both prorogue the Third Session of the Third the left and the right of this chair, I can Legislative Assembly of Nunavut. say with confidence that I have experienced the satisfactions and Even though I’m being left waiting frustrations of asking and answering watching TV and even though we get questions. behind sometimes, today, for those who did closing remarks and for those who Although it can sometimes seems like are not running again to talk about all of progress in government is slow, it is those things that you have said, I know important for us to keep things in you will be sitting against each other perspective. As this House will recall, there. we took our oath of office and allegiance in the fall of 2008. Since that time, the (interpretation ends) That was my Third Legislative Assembly has held closing joke to you because I don’t get over 160 formal sitting days. A total of the pleasure of throwing the documents 127 bills have been introduced, in the air, but I thought I would put a considered, and passed by this whole bunch of blank papers in there so Assembly, including the first two private that you would think, “Oh no. We’ve got members’ bills to have been introduced to sit through all those pages.” since the establishment of our legislature. Anyway, it has been my pleasure to open your third sitting and again it has been Over the past five years, members on my pleasure to prorogue this session. I both sides of the House have been wish each and every one of you a very extremely active. Over 600 formal safe journey home. Thank you. Ministers’ Statements have been delivered. Over 1,000 formal Members’ >>Applause Statements have been made. Approximately 1,500 oral questions Speaker: Thank you, Members. Before have been asked and over 50 written we conclude our final sitting of the Third questions have been posed. Now, some Legislative Assembly, I am pleased to

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5108 of those questions have received and I appreciate that, and also our pages answers… for their hard work throughout the life of this Legislative Assembly. >>Laughter I would also like to say a special thank …while others have received what may you to Simanek Kilabuk, our Sergeant- best be described as responses. at-Arms.

>>Laughter Without their efforts, we could not do our jobs. More than 110 formal motions have been introduced and considered, and As I mentioned earlier, it has truly been over 700 documents have been tabled for an honour and a privilege to have had the benefit of the permanent public the confidence and trust of the record. constituents of Iqaluit Centre for the last 14 years. I am proud that I have been the As we prepare for the dissolution of the only representative who has and will be current Legislative Assembly, it is time the only representative that my riding of for reflection. Iqaluit Centre has had. I would like to note that today is the last day that I will Some of you have announced that you sit in this House as the representative for will again be seeking the confidence of Iqaluit Centre. your constituents. Over the last 14 years, I cannot begin to Some of you have announced that you mention all of the names of individuals will be retiring from office and pursuing who have helped and supported me. I new directions. would like to take this opportunity to sincerely thank every single one of you. Others of you are leaving us in suspense. I remember you all, and you know who you are. Again, thank you very much Regardless of what your immediate and I truly value your support. futures may hold, you and your families have my best wishes. As members and the residents of Iqaluit are aware, my riding of Iqaluit Centre Before I conclude today, I would like to will be no more. In the upcoming take this opportunity to publicly and election, your capital city of Iqaluit will sincerely thank our staff at the have four new ridings replacing the old Legislative Assembly, not only the table three. Given this fact, I will have a tough officers in here, but research staff and all decision to make in the upcoming the technical people who keep this place election. At the appropriate time, which operational, a lot of hard work and will be September 27, upon the close of dedication that they have put in for the nominations, my decision will be made smooth operation of this Assembly, and public. we thank them very much. Also, our interpreters, I thank you guys very much. With that, colleagues, I’ll say that I’m You have been my ears and my voice, relieved that we’re complete. You have

Tuesday, September 17, 2013 Nunavut Hansard 5109 seen me over the last session. I’m now going to be requiring less Tylenol, which is going to be good.

Colleagues, this House stands adjourned.

Sergeant-at-Arms.

>>Applause

>>House adjourned at 17:29