Nunavut Canada

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF

3rd Session 3rd Assembly

HANSARD

Official Report

DAY 55

Monday, October 29, 2012

Pages 3008 – 3069

Iqaluit

Speaker: The Honourable Hunter Tootoo, M.L.A.

Legislative Assembly of Nunavut

Speaker Hon. Hunter Tootoo (Iqaluit Centre) Hon. Joe Enook Allan Rumbolt (Iqaluit East) (Tununiq) (Hudson Bay) Premier; Minister of Education; Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole Minister of Executive and Hon. Fred Schell Intergovernmental Affairs; Minister Hon. Lorne Kusugak (South Baffin) responsible for Aboriginal Affairs; (Rankin Inlet South – Whale Cove) Minister responsible for Immigration Government House Leader; Minister of Hon. Daniel Shewchuk (Arviat) Community and Government Services; Minister of Justice; Minister Hon. James Arreak Minister responsible for the Qulliq (Uqqummiut) Energy Corporation; Minister responsible for Nunavut Arctic Minister of Culture and Heritage; responsible for the Workers’ Safety and College Minister of Environment; Minister of Compensation Commission Louis Tapardjuk Languages; Minister responsible for the John Ningark (Amittuq) Utility Rates Review Council Deputy Chair, Committee of the (Akulliq) Whole Moses Aupaluktuq

(Baker Lake) Johnny Ningeongan (Nanulik) Hon. Peter Taptuna (Kugluktuk) Tagak Curley Deputy Speaker and Chair of the Deputy Premier; Minister of (Rankin Inlet North) Committee of the Whole Economic Development and Hon. Monica Ell Hezakiah Oshutapik Transportation; Minister of (Iqaluit West) (Pangnirtung) Energy; Minister responsible for the Minister of Human Resources; Nunavut Housing Corporation Minister responsible for Homelessness; Hon. Keith Peterson Minister responsible for the Status of (Cambridge Bay) Jeannie Ugyuk Women Minister of Finance, Chair of the ()

Financial Management Board; Minister Ron Elliott of Health and Social Services (Quttiktuq)

Officers Clerk John Quirke

Deputy Clerk Clerk Assistant Law Clerk Sergeant-at-Arms Hansard Production Nancy Tupik Stephen Innuksuk Michael Chandler Sammy Josephie Innirvik Support Services

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Table of Contents

Opening Prayer ...... 3008

Ministers’ Statements ...... 3008

Members’ Statements ...... 3011

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery ...... 3021

Oral Questions ...... 3021

Written Questions ...... 3035

Tabling of Documents ...... 3035

Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills ...... 3037

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters ...... 3038

Report of the Committee of the Whole ...... 3068

Orders of the Day ...... 3069

A. Daily References

Monday, October 29, 2012 ...... 3008

B. Ministers’ Statements

195 – 3(3): 25 KV Distribution System Upgrade – Iqaluit (Kusugak)...... 3008

196 – 3(3): Firearms Safety Initiative in Nunavut Launched (Shewchuk) ...... 3009

197 – 3(3): Nunavut Partnership to Deliver BizPaL Service (Taptuna) ...... 3010

198 – 3(3): Training Program Accomplishments (Ell) ...... 3010

C. Members’ Statements

317 – 3(3): The Passing of Mrs. Kanayuk Bruce (Curley) ...... 3011

318 – 3(3): Remembering Mrs. Kanayuk Bruce (Ningeongan) ...... 3013

319 – 3(3): Touring Saputi – Fishing Vessel (Ell) ...... 3014

320 – 3(3): Solid Waste Management (Ningark) ...... 3015

321 – 3(3): Arctic Council Consultations (Elliott) ...... 3016

322 – 3(3): Tribute to Nunavut’s Volunteers (Aupaluktuq) ...... 3017

323 – 3(3): Fair Hiring Practices (Oshutapik) ...... 3017

324 – 3(3): Draft Nunavut Land Use Plan (Tapardjuk) ...... 3018

325 – 3(3): Condolences to Family (Ugyuk) ...... 3019

326 – 3(3): Pond Inlet Weather Commentators (Enook) ...... 3020

D. Oral Questions

435 – 3(3): Review of the Government of Nunavut’s Surplus Disposal Policy (Curley) ...... 3021

436 – 3(3): Nunavut’s Arctic Council Priorities (Elliott) ...... 3022

437 – 3(3): Lack of Daycare Spaces in Nunavut (Ugyuk) ...... 3025

438 – 3(3): Government of Nunavut Hiring Practices (Oshutapik) ...... 3027

439 – 3(3): Allocation of Conservation Officers (Enook) ...... 3029

440 – 3(3): Status of Implementation of Nunavut’s Education Act (Ningeongan) ...... 3031

441 – 3(3): Career Guidance for High School Students (Elliott) ...... 3033

E. Written Questions

019 – 3(3): NAC Courses to Support Early Childhood Education (Ugyuk) ...... 3035

F. Tabling of Documents

244 – 3(3): Draft Plebiscites Act (Speaker)...... 3035

245 – 3(3): Public Consultation Materials on the Draft Plebiscites Act (Speaker) ...... 3035

246 – 3(3): Interim Financial Report (Unaudited) March 31, 2012 (Peterson) ...... 3036

247 – 3(3): Procurement Activity Report, Fiscal Year 2011-2012 (Kusugak) ...... 3036

248 – 3(3): Contract Activity Report, Fiscal Year 2011-2012 (Kusugak) ...... 3036

249 – 3(3): Lease Activity Report, Fiscal Year 2011-2012 (Kusugak) ...... 3036

250 – 3(3): Correspondence Concerning Return to Written Question 18 – 3(3) (Enook) ...... 3036

251 – 3(3): Annual Report 2008-2009, Nunavut Liquor Licensing Board (Shewchuk) ...... 3036

252 – 3(3): Annual Report 2009-2010, Nunavut Liquor Licensing Board (Shewchuk) ...... 3036

253 – 3(3): Annual Report 2010-2011, Nunavut Liquor Licensing Board (Shewchuk) ...... 3036

254 – 3(3): Annual Report 2011-2012, Nunavut Liquor Licensing Board (Shewchuk) ...... 3036

255 – 3(3): Articles Concerning Arctic Search and Rescue (Elliott) ...... 3037

256 – 3(3): Towards a Representative Public Service, Statistics as of March 31, 2012 (Ell) ....3037

257 – 3(3): Towards a Representative Public Service, Statistics as of June 30, 2012 (Ell) ...... 3037

258 – 3(3): Executive Summary of the Draft Nunavut Land Use Plan and the Baffin Island

Community Consultation Schedule (Tapardjuk) ...... 3037

G. Bills

Bill 45 – An Act Respecting Constituency Names and Superannuation of Certain Independent

Officers of the Legislative Assembly – Notice ...... 3037

Bill 41 – Appropriation (Capital) Act, 2013-2014 – Nunavut Housing Corporation –

Consideration in Committee ...... 3038

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Iqaluit, Nunavut As members are aware, direct votes have Monday, October 29, 2012 been undertaken in the north to Members Present: determine the public’s view on Honourable Eva Aariak, Honourable important issues, including the creation James Arreak, Mr. Moses Aupaluktuq, of Nunavut itself. Mr. Tagak Curley, Honourable Monica Ell, Mr. Ron Elliott, Mr. Joe Enook, As members are also aware, legislation Honourable Lorne Kusugak, Mr. John concerning territory-wide elections falls Ningark, Mr. Johnny Ningeongan, Mr. under the jurisdiction of the Legislative Hezakiah Oshutapik, Honourable Keith Assembly itself. Peterson, Mr. Allan Rumbolt, Honourable Fred Schell, Honourable Accordingly, I am announcing today that Daniel Shewchuk, Mr. Louis Tapardjuk, the Management and Services Board is Honourable Peter Taptuna, Honourable inviting formal submissions from Hunter Tootoo, Ms. Jeannie Ugyuk. members of the public and interested organizations on the draft new >>House commenced at 13:30 Plebiscites Act. The deadline for submission will be January 18, 2013. Item 1: Opening Prayer After colleagues and I have had the Speaker (Hon. Hunter Tootoo): opportunity to review submissions, I Qujannamiik, Sergeant-at-Arms. Before anticipate being in a position to formally we proceed, I would like to ask Mr. introduce the bill at the spring sitting of Ningeongan to lead us off with a prayer, the House. please. I thank members and the House for their >>Prayer attention.

Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. We will now move on with our orders of Members, before we proceed with the the day. Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. orders of the day, I wish to make a Minister responsible for the Qulliq statement. Energy Corporation, Minister Kusugak.

Ten years ago, the Legislative Assembly Item 2: Ministers’ Statements passed a new Nunavut Elections Act at its fall sitting. This statute has served us Minister’s Statement 195 – 3(3): 25 well during the past decade. KV Distribution System Upgrade – Iqaluit (Kusugak) Later today, at the appropriate time, I will be tabling a draft new Plebiscites Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): Act. If passed by the House, this Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good day, our proposed legislation will replace the fellow Nunavummiut. (interpretation statute that was inherited on division ends) Mr. Speaker, I would like to take with a modern and responsive legal this time to inform Nunavummiut about framework for the conduct of plebiscites. the completion of the 25 kilovolt upgrade of Iqaluit’s distribution system.

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Finalizing this three-year project will Speaker: Thank you, Minister Kusugak. have many benefits now and into the Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister future for not only Iqaluit, but all of of Justice, Minister Shewchuk. Nunavut. By reducing operating costs in our capital city, there will be an Minister’s Statement 196 – 3(3): anticipated net project benefit of over Firearms Safety Initiative in $20 million over the next 20 years for Nunavut Launched (Shewchuk) the Qulliq Energy Corporation overall. Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, in addition to the financial Mr. Speaker. As Minister of Justice, it benefits of this project, other immediate gives me great satisfaction to report on benefits of this project include reducing the joint initiative of the departments of our greenhouse gas emissions, improved Justice and Environment and the RCMP power quality with greater control, and on an awareness campaign on firearm shorter downtimes during planned and safety in our territory. The campaign is unplanned outages. seeing RCMP and wildlife officers going house to house throughout the territory Mr. Speaker, upgrading from the to discuss the safety protocols in storing original 5 kilovolt to the current 25 kV firearms in an effort to enhance and distribution system will also protect community safety. The recent accommodate the growth of Iqaluit for spike in firearm-related incidents has the foreseeable future and simplify warranted a safety awareness campaign power integration from other sources if within each community throughout prospected renewable energy projects Nunavut. come to fruition. This initiative began in Cape Dorset and Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this was very successful there. Inuit members opportunity to acknowledge the great and local detachment members provided work provided by our engineering and firearm safety information, including operations staff and also work done in trigger locks, door to door. Building on sometimes less than ideal weather that success, the RCMP implemented the conditions by the contracted crew from same initiative in Clyde River during the Valard. week of September 25 and Baker Lake the week of October 15. Mr. Speaker, while our crews worked continuously to work around personal The Clyde River session included home and commercial clients’ needs during visits resulting in approximately 80 these planned outages, I would like to homes being visited and 80 trigger locks recognize and thank all Iqalummiut for being handed out; the delivery of a their patience and understanding during safety presentation to high school the planned outage cycles of this students; and a radio call-in discussion upgrade. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. on firearm safety and security. This call- in discussion experienced a high volume >>Applause of calls, with most callers being very positive and supportive of the initiative.

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Callers all agreed with and supported the say that the partnership will facilitate the importance of firearm safety. delivery of BizPaL service for Nunavummiut. While recognizing and respecting our Inuit hunting traditions, we must ensure Mr. Speaker, BizPaL is an innovative the safe handling and storage of firearms online tool that provides entrepreneurs in order to improve and ensure the safety with simplified access to the permits and of our families and our RCMP members. licences they need to establish and run This approach is critical to our efforts to their business. This federal, provincial, make Nunavut communities safe. and territorial partnership is designed to lower the burden of red tape that small The locks have been generously funded business owners encounter when they’re by Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated and dealing with government. Partnerships the Canadian Firearms Program’s chief such as these assist us in our firearms officer for Manitoba and commitment to supporting community- Nunavut in Winnipeg. based and sustainable economies. We want to ensure that businesses in The initial response has been very Nunavut have easy access to all the positive so far in the communities visited resources available to them for start-up by the RCMP. In the coming weeks, the and expansion. RCMP will continue visiting communities, with the next stops being Mr. Speaker, when the service is Arviat and Igloolik during the month of available in all of our official languages, November. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. it will be accessible online through a customized Nunavut portal and at >>Applause www.bizpal.ca. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: Thank you, Minister >>Applause Shewchuk. Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister responsible for Speaker: Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Economic Development and Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister Transportation, Minister Taptuna. responsible for the Department of Human Resources, Minister Ell. Minister’s Statement 197 – 3(3): Nunavut Partnership to Deliver Minister’s Statement 198 – 3(3): BizPaL Service (Taptuna) Training Program Accomplishments (Ell) Hon. Peter Taptuna: Good afternoon, colleagues. Good afternoon, Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank Nunavummiut. Mr. Speaker, I would you, Mr. Speaker. As Minister of the like to take this opportunity to thank my Department of Human Resources, it is a colleague, the Hon. Monica Ell, for great pleasure for me to rise today to assisting with the announcement of the acknowledge our training programs’ BizPaL partnership between the accomplishments through the years and Government of Canada and the congratulate 291 graduates to date, 178 Government of Nunavut. I am pleased to of whom are beneficiaries.

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(interpretation ends) These numbers your Minister’s Statement to the page as include 207 from various occupational we don’t have a copy of it for the table? training programs for 2009 to 2012 and Thank you. 84 from the Nunavut Advanced Management Program for the years 2003 Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Moving to 2012. Courses have been delivered in on in our orders of the day. Item 3. Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, and Cambridge Members’ Statements. Member for Bay previously and will be offered again Rankin Inlet North, Mr. Curley. in these communities in 2012-13. Item 3: Members’ Statements (interpretation) These training initiatives are essential for us to build the capacity Member’s Statement 317 – 3(3): The of our public service and create the Passing of Mrs. Kanayuk Bruce ability to reach our Inuit employment (Curley) targets in all sectors and levels of the Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you, public service. Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about something we take great pride in and to (interpretation ends) All existing share this with my colleagues so that administrative, human resource, they may also share in our pride. I also supervisory, and communication staff wanted to have my colleague, the have been given the opportunity to Member for Nanulik, support this strengthen their leadership, management, statement. I thank my colleague, the and communication skills. The job- Member for Nanulik, who will also specific knowledge and hands-on speak to this matter later. practise received from these excellent training programs have given them Many Nunavutmiut have been left confidence and the working knowledge behind by their elders. When a dear elder to perform more effectively in their or loved one, especially an elder, passes current positions and advance in their on, the family left behind needs our careers. condolences and our sympathy as they are usually devastated. (interpretation) Mr. Speaker, building on these achievements, we will continue to This summer, on July 28, we offer support and encouragement to all experienced this situation ourselves, of our training participants to continue although I am no longer resident in my their educational pursuits in contribution birthplace of Coral Harbour, as my to excellence in our public service. paternal aunt, my Attakuluk, Kanayuk Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bruce, left behind her family. I am thankful that we have two of the siblings >>Applause present at this time; one of her grandchildren is sitting right behind me. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Minister Ell, could I please ask you to It was very stressful. It is extremely send a copy of your Minister’s Statement difficult to speak as an individual with the page up to the table as we don’t because this person continued to express have a copy of it. Can you give a copy of her love towards her fellow Inuit

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3012 throughout her life. She was especially nays? There being none. Please proceed, moved by youth and young women in Mr. Curley. particular. If they were her grandchildren, she would assist them all Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you. the time. Some days pass by where we need to This individual would pass on her acknowledge and recognize our elders. sewing skills to everyone who wanted Even when they have passed on, we help and, if they were men, then she have to commemorate their lives by would advise them about the need for expressing our pride in their advice, as proper equipment, of the need to we have many young people who require maintain their equipment, clothing, and assistance. That is why I rise today. camping gear. We should never just leave on a trip without the proper As I stated earlier, my endearment term preparations, especially if we are going for her was my Attalluakuluk ever since on the land. She provided this type of I was a young child. As I had difficulty advice to youth and to the person sitting in speaking proper Inuktitut, I apparently behind me. mistakenly called her my Akkalluakuluk, which means my paternal uncle. With that being the case, my Attakuluk, which was my endearment term since Due to this reason and in remembering she was my father’s cousin, I knew her Mikittuq Bruce, who is now 91 years old my whole life as she was very loving of and who lost his wife this summer, as her relatives which included me. I could well as their children were quite never call her by her name, Mr. Speaker, numerous, many of whom are well as I was quite proud of my Attakuluk. I known by members. Leonie Duffy, who would call her my Attalluakuluk, which is the oldest, Louie Bruce, Rosemary was my endearment term. Sandy, Manitok Thompson, and Cathy Towtongie, who is sitting in the Gallery, Whenever I would arrive into the for which I am grateful, as well as Mona, community, she and her family knew who is the youngest daughter of the that as soon as I arrived, the first place I family. She is the wife of the previous would visit would be her home without MLA for Coral Harbour, Patterk. As going to my hotel room. Whenever I well, Tommy Avalaa and Gabriel. would first come in, I would just be dropped off at their doorstep by her Mr. Speaker, I want to state that she family as they knew that was the first loved her children tremendously. I even place I was to visit. recall one time when she was worried about one of her children and this was I would like to ask for unanimous when she was starting to lose her voice, consent to conclude my Member’s that she would ask about one of her sons Statement. and whether he was okay. She would be told that her son was fine, that he now Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. The had a strong foundation, and that she member is seeking unanimous consent to shouldn’t worry about him further. conclude his statement. Are there any

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Shortly after that episode, she passed there weren’t any hunters in the camp to away. go hunting.

Her son, whom I would go hunting with, When my Attalluakuluk stated she Louie Bruce, whenever we would return wanted some caribou meat, even though to the community after a hunting trip, his I was a minister in the GNWT mother would have a meal ready, the government at that time, I told John type of meal young men prefer after a Hicks that if there was a Honda long hunting trip. What I want to state is available, I could go caribou hunting. I that she would try to enlighten our spirit. was successful in catching a caribou, so I carefully wrapped up the carcass and hid One time, when we were scheduled to the rifle from view as I came close to the return, she made pudding using the same camp and stealthily moved the meat into ingredients that her mother used without the shed. My aunt was able to take this any type of recipe. She made it using caribou meat home and I was quite only her memory; she boiled it in water proud to provide that. If it had been any and made a kind of pudding. Once we other person, I doubt that she would arrived home, Louie and I enjoyed that have tasked a minister to provide her pudding tremendously and we wondered with caribou meat, but since I held her in whether or not it had a proper name. I deep respect, I was happy to do so. This asked my aunt what it was since I was is one memory that I gladly remember. more curious than Louie. She stated that it didn’t have a name, so my friend Let us welcome her family members and coined it “manna.” That was the first her descendants. Although I know we time I ever had “manna,” although it is are undergoing this difficult time, I quite a popular dish these days. That was know for a fact that my Attalluakuluk the first time I ever had “manna” and would have advised us to keep our some day we will see that dish. spirits up, as she always stated up until her passing, which we regret deeply. Additionally, my Attalluakuluk was born Thank you, Mr. Speaker. in Wager Bay, and my colleague will elaborate with more details shortly. >>Applause When she was at Wager Bay, the Sila Lodge was created. When she returned Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. Item to the old camp where she was born and 3. Members’ Statements. Member for where she recalled her earlier childhood, Nanulik, Mr. Ningeongan. she stated that she wanted to take some meat home as Iluilli’s caribou meat Member’s Statement 318 – 3(3): tastes different from the island caribou. Remembering Mrs. Kanayuk Many Inuit elders prefer the caribou Bruce (Ningeongan) from Iluilli, including those of us from the younger generations. We, too, prefer Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank that taste. When the Sila Lodge opened, you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to pay my many tourists stayed there and it was respects to the late Mrs. Kanayuk Bruce, almost impossible to hunt caribou since who passed away in July of this year. many of them were “special guests” and

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Mr. Speaker, on a very personal note, I Mrs. Bruce was never shy to give her would like to acknowledge the guidance opinion on matters affecting the that Mrs. Bruce gave to me when I most community. She had very strong family needed it, in support of my leadership. values and principles that she was able As an elder, she was always ready to to pass on to the young families. Her advise me and had my utmost respect. counselling helped many youth and young couples understand the Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Bruce grew up in importance of bringing up children, Wager Bay in the Kivalliq region, which marriage, and home life. is now part of a national park. She was educated by visiting priests and worked Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Tuinnaq Kanayuk as a clerk at the Wager Bay trading post Bruce leaves behind her husband, for many years, serving people from Mikittuq Bruce, her children, many , , , and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. the surrounding communities. She lived We dearly miss her in Coral Harbour. I in Wager Bay until she got married. ask my colleagues to send their prayers for the family to support them in their Mrs. Bruce moved with her husband to loss. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. the Coral Harbour area in the late 1950s. There, she was very much involved in >>Applause the church and was a strong and supportive influence. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, for Iqaluit West, Ms. Ell. (interpretation) I would like to ask for unanimous consent to conclude my Member’s Statement 319 – 3(3): statement. Thank you. Touring Saputi – Fishing Vessel (Ell) Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank The member is seeking unanimous you, Mr. Speaker. I share in the sense of consent to conclude his statement. Are loss with the two previous speakers as there any nays? There being none. the lady in question was our sister-in- Please proceed, Mr. Ningeongan. law. Her husband was my mother’s brother whom she has left behind. We Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank have lost many of our relatives this year. you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank my colleagues. Mr. Speaker, on Friday, October 5, Iqalummiut were invited to visit the The lady was a very nice person. That fishing vessel, Saputi, which had arrived. was why she was so dear to me. Ever The Saputi made a crew change and since I was a child, she was welcoming unloaded a very good haul of shrimp and to everyone and she was always willing turbot while in Frobisher Bay. It was a to teach anyone the art of tanning the very sunny day, but the winds were hides, preparing them, and sewing strong, so it was quite challenging to clothing. climb the rope ladder to get on and off the ship. I eventually got on. We also

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3015 had to get off the same way. I am glad Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ell. Item 3. that we all persevered because the tour Members’ Statements. Member for of the newly expanded fishing vessel Akulliq, Mr. Ningark. was very interesting. The processing of the catch was explained and the living Member’s Statement 320 – 3(3): Solid quarters were displayed to us. Waste Management (Ningark)

(interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, it was Mr. Ningark: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. obvious that many Inuit working on the (interpretation) With respect to the boat enjoyed their work and took pride people who lost a loved one, they are in in the Saputi. I thank the crew of the my heart as well as in my prayers. When Saputi and to QC for inviting us to the I was just a child in Repulse Bay, I public event to view the newly elongated started hearing her name mentioned, F/V Saputi. whom our colleagues spoke about.

At this time, Mr. Speaker, I would like (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I rise to ask for an extension. Thank you. today to speak about the important issue of solid waste management in our Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ell. The communities. Mr. Speaker, as guardians member is seeking unanimous consent to of our land, air, and water, we have a conclude her statement. Are there any serious responsibility to ensure that we nays? There being none. Please proceed, address the issue of solid waste Ms. Ell. management in a serious way.

Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank Mr. Speaker, a recent publication by the you, my colleagues, for allowing me to Government of Nunavut indicates, and I continue with my statement. quote, “In most communities, landfill operators are struggling to manage waste The 40-foot extension of the vessel was volume, and often rely on the practice of very impressive, as well as all the open burning to manage municipal machinery. (interpretation ends) Mr. waste. A number of upgrades are Speaker, not so impressive was the needed, including landfill operator returns to Iqaluit since, due to the lack of training, infrastructure improvements infrastructure, elders and mothers, with and other updates…” their Amautiit on, had to scramble over slippery walks at the causeway to return Mr. Speaker, just over a year ago, the home. Minister of Community and Government Services tabled a report on the current Mr. Speaker, I look forward to the day state of solid waste management and when Iqaluit will have proper facilities in Nunavut. infrastructure for sealift, cruise ships, fishing vessels, and hunters here in I support initiatives to address this issue Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. and I encourage the departments of CGS and Environment to continue the >>Applause important work of identifying and

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3016 implementing actions to protect our diverse range of stakeholders, including environment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. many Members of this Assembly, to express their concerns and >>Applause recommendations.

Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Item Mr. Speaker, some of the issues that 3. Members’ Statements. Member for were discussed this weekend included Quttiktuq, Mr. Elliott. the need for enhancements to arctic search and rescue capabilities, oil and Member’s Statement 321 – 3(3): gas development in the North, food Arctic Council Consultations security, and pan-Arctic approaches to (Elliott) suicide prevention. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the very Mr. Speaker, as you know, the President productive meeting that I attended this of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference weekend concerning the Arctic Council. Canada and ICC Vice-Chair for Canada, Duane Smith, participated in our On August 23 of this year, our Member meeting. of Parliament was appointed Minister for the Arctic Council. I want to take this As the Arctic Council considers the opportunity to publicly congratulate process by which it designates official Minister Aglukkaq on this well-deserved status to other bodies, including the appointment. European Union, we must be mindful of the importance of ensuring that the rights Mr. Speaker, as you know, the minister of indigenous peoples in the circumpolar was in Iqaluit this weekend to launch a world are respected. This includes series of consultations to develop continuing to take a firm stand on the Canada’s priorities for its upcoming issue of the EU’s hypocritical ban on the two-year chairmanship of the Arctic importation of seal products. Council, which begins next May. Mr. Speaker, if this weekend’s meeting Mr. Speaker, I have spoken on many in Iqaluit was any indication, Canada is occasions in this House about the issues off to an excellent start as we prepare for of search and rescue, natural resource the important work ahead. Thank you, development, and the human dimension Mr. Speaker. of arctic sovereignty. An Hon. Member: Bravo! As the Member of the Legislative Assembly of Nunavut representing three >>Applause High Arctic communities, the work of the Arctic Council and its partners is Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Item 3. critical to the well-being of my Members’ Statements. Member for constituents. Baker Lake, Mr. Aupaluktuq.

Mr. Speaker, this weekend’s meeting was an excellent opportunity for a

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Member’s Statement 322 – 3(3): Mr. Speaker, I ask all members to join Tribute to Nunavut’s Volunteers me today in a salute to Nunavut’s (Aupaluktuq) volunteers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Aupaluktuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is quite obvious that >>Applause many Nunavummiut are undergoing difficult times at this time, so those Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Aupaluktuq. families who are undergoing difficulties Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member are in our thoughts and prayers. for Pangnirtung, Mr. Oshutapik.

(interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I rise Member’s Statement 323 – 3(3): Fair today to pay tribute to Nunavut’s Hiring Practices (Oshutapik) volunteers. Mr. Speaker, in December of 1985, the United Nations General Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Good Assembly passed a resolution to afternoon, fellow Pangnirtung residents. designate December 5 as International (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, before Volunteers Day for Economic and Social I begin my Member’s Statement, I Development. would like to take this opportunity to thank all of my colleagues for their Mr. Speaker, since the House will not be support to Pangnirtung during our recent sitting on that day, I wish to take this difficult time. We join with the Kilabuk opportunity to express my appreciation family in their time of grief and our for the thousands of Nunavummiut who hearts are with you. work selflessly to make our territory a better place for all. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to address the importance of fair hiring practices in the Mr. Speaker, the tireless work of government. volunteers ensures that many social needs are met. The commitment of Mr. Speaker, as the Member of the volunteers ensures that our youth can Legislative Assembly for Pangnirtung, I take advantage of numerous sport and represent a number of constituents who recreational opportunities. The courage are employed by the Government of of volunteers ensures that life-saving Nunavut. search and rescue operations can take place. Mr. Speaker, I believe that it is very important that the government follows Mr. Speaker, there are a number of fair hiring practices in all of its programs to recognize the work of departments and offices. Mr. Speaker, volunteers, including the our employees need to have confidence Commissioner’s Award for Volunteer that hiring is done in a transparent and Community Service. manner. Our employees need to have confidence that decisions are made in Earlier this year, the Commissioner accordance with the government’s travelled to Baker Lake to present a legislation and policies, including its number of awards, and I congratulate the Priority Hiring Policy. recipients.

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(interpretation) Mr. Speaker, although that the statements of my colleagues our communities are small, we need to really impacted me, as we heard of this make efforts to ensure that hiring summer and earlier we heard on the decisions are made in a fair and unbiased news that there was an elder who just manner. It is very important that passed away this morning. It is quite managers are not placed in situations obvious that the families left behind are where they may need to make hiring in need of our sympathies. I just needed decisions involving their own relatives. to state my feelings on that.

(interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, we all Mr. Speaker, I rise today to announce know that unemployment is high in our that the Nunavut Planning Commission communities. Our constituents should be recently made public the Draft Nunavut provided with every opportunity to Land Use Plan for Nunavummiut to compete openly and fairly for positions. review and provide input.

At this time, I seek unanimous consent Mr. Speaker, the Nunavut Planning to conclude my statement. Thank you, Commission was established under Mr. Speaker. Article 11 of the Nunavut Land Claims Agreement. The Nunavut Planning Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. Commission is responsible for the The member is seeking unanimous development, implementation, and consent to conclude his statement. Are monitoring of land use plans which there any nays? There being none. guide and direct resources use and Please proceed, Mr. Oshutapik. development in the Nunavut Settlement Area. Mr. Oshutapik: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in 2007, the Nunavut Planning Commission’s broad planning Our ability to effectively serve the policies, objectives, and goals were Nunavut public will be strengthened if formally supported by the Government we ensure that our own workforce is of Nunavut and were used to create the strong. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Draft Nunavut Land Use Plan.

>>Applause Mr. Speaker, the Draft Nunavut Land Use Plan, once it is approved, will Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. replace the North Baffin and Keewatin Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member regional land use plans. Currently, all for Amittuq, Mr. Tapardjuk. project proposals in the North Baffin Planning Region that require a licence or Member’s Statement 324 – 3(3): Draft authorization from a land use Nunavut Land Use Plan authorizing agency… . (Tapardjuk) Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Good At this time, I would like to ask for afternoon to the residents of Igloolik and unanimous consent to conclude my Hall Beach. I would also like to thank statement, Mr. Speaker. you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to state

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Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. Mr. Speaker, I ask the Government of The member is seeking unanimous Nunavut and all Members of the consent to conclude his statement. Are Legislative Assembly to formally there any nays? There being none. support and recognize all the hard work Please proceed, Mr. Tapardjuk. the NPC has done concerning the Draft Nunavut Land Use Plan. Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank you, my colleagues, for the unanimous Mr. Speaker, later today, I will table a consent. copy the Baffin Island community consultation schedule and a copy of the Mr. Speaker, currently, all project Executive Summary of the Draft proposals in the North Baffin Planning Nunavut Land Use Plan for those Region that require a licence or interested in this document. Further authorization from a land use information concerning the Draft authorizing agency must be assessed by Nunavut Land Use Plan can be obtained the Nunavut Planning Commission for from the Nunavut Planning conformity with the North Baffin Commission’s website. Mr. Speaker, I Regional Land Use Plan, such as the encourage all Nunavummiut to visit the Baffinland Mary River Project. NPC’s website and learn how they can provide input concerning the Draft Mr. Speaker, the Draft Nunavut Land Nunavut Land Use Plan. Thank you, Mr. Use Plan has received strong support Speaker. from industry, Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, the Nunavut Association >>Applause of Municipalities, and the regional Inuit organizations because this document Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. reflects their interests, needs, and Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member aspirations. for Nattilik, Ms. Ugyuk.

Mr. Speaker, the Nunavut Planning Member’s Statement 325 – 3(3): Commission will be travelling to every Condolences to Family (Ugyuk) Nunavut community to present the Draft Nunavut Land Use Plan and accept input Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, and recommendations which will be Mr. Speaker. I send my regards to the included into the Final Nunavut Land people of Nattilik. As a family, such as Use Plan. my older and younger sisters and brothers, we have lost a family member. Mr. Speaker, I encourage all It’s unfortunate, but we believe that we Nunavummiut and interested can get some assistance through a stakeholders to participate, engage, and prayer. I would like everyone to pray for work with the representatives of the my brother’s adopted son and his family. Nunavut Planning Commission. I You have to be able to stay together and applaud the NPC’s approach to ensuring love each other at this time of hardship. all communities will have input into this Thank you, Mr. Speaker. important document. >>Applause

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Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Item because many people want to assist their 3. Members’ Statements. Member for fellow citizens. Tununiq, Mr. Enook. Mr. Speaker, these three people I wish to Member’s Statement 326 – 3(3): Pond name are individuals whom I really wish Inlet Weather Commentators to thank and to share in my gratitude for (Enook) their selflessness, as they provide this Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, service without anybody tasking them to Mr. Speaker. I rise today to offer some do so. They do so simply to provide this celebratory news for our community and type of public service and they provide to express my thanks. this at all times of the day; in the morning, in the afternoon, or even Mr. Speaker, we all know that in the nighttime. summer, many residents go out camping via boat, sometimes to very long These individuals go on the VHF radio distances and sometimes to closer to broadcast their views on the places. Furthermore, we are aware and developing weather during the summer it’s become obvious that the weather months to those of us who are on the now changes very quickly without any land. They broadcast the weather signs. In particular, our elders have conditions and their opinions about how really noted that the weather signs are no it may develop. These individuals longer spot-on and the weather changes broadcast this information, even if no very dramatically. Mr. Speaker, with that one acknowledges their broadcast, as being the case, when you are a long sometimes the reception is not that great, distance away from the community, it which we all have experienced in using becomes very important to hear weather this technology. forecasts, especially if you have to travel many miles to reach your community. I would like name these individuals because, as a community, Pond Inlet Additionally, at least in our community, residents appreciate their service we use the VHF radios. I believe they provision. These three people are Elijah used to be called XBX-11s; I don’t know Nashook, Panuile Okango, and Joanasie what they are called now. In any event, Mucpa. Thank you for your invaluable these VHF radios are used for long service. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. distance communication, which is very useful, especially when trying to find out >>Applause about the weather on the route home, and these people provide their insight as Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. Item 3. to the weather and what may develop. Members’ Statements. Moving on in our orders of the day. Item 4. Returns to Oral Mr. Speaker, today, I would like to Questions. Item 5. Recognition of express my thanks to three of my fellow Visitors in the Gallery. Member for community residents in Pond Inlet. As a Nanulik, Mr. Ningeongan. community, we need to work together even without being asked to do so

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Item 5: Recognition of Visitors in the Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you, Gallery Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Community and Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank Government Services. Mr. Speaker, my you, Mr. Speaker. I am starting to stand questions should be very understandable regularly as of late, for which I am because they’re on behalf of grateful for, as another fellow resident of Nunavutmiut. Coral Harbour, Mr. Dino Bruce, is sitting right behind Mr. Curley. As the minister is aware, he has responsibility for the Government of I want to recognize this Coral Harbour Nunavut’s Surplus Disposal Policy. Mr. resident. Although he spends some time Speaker, this policy has two parts. Part in Nova Scotia, he is one of our local A deals with the disposal of fixed assets businesspeople and he has assisted his and Part B deals with the disposal of father in running their business. I also non-fixed assets, including office call him my Piqatialuk, even though he equipment, furnishings, and mobile is fairly young. When he was younger, I equipment. have often discussed life’s challenges with him, especially the fact that one has Part B of the Policy states in part, and I to be strong. He has provided me with quote, “This policy is based on the assistance, although he is quite young. I following principles…that everyone has try to reciprocate whenever I can. I ask an equal chance to acquire items that my colleagues to join me in recognizing have been declared surplus…” However, and welcoming my friend to the Gallery. Mr. Speaker, the policy also creates an Thank you, Mr. Speaker. order of preference for the disposal of assets. GN departments and agencies are >>Applause at the top of this priority list and ordinary members of the general public Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. are at the bottom of the list. Can the Welcome to the Gallery. I feel not as minister explain this contradiction? nervous facing you here as I used to be Thank you, Mr. Speaker. in the baseball diamond in Rankin Inlet. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. >>Laughter Minister responsible for Community and Government Services; Minister Item 5. Recognition of Visitors in the Kusugak. Gallery. Moving on in our orders of the day. Item 6. Oral Questions. Member for Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): Rankin Inlet North, Mr. Curley. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, Dino. I am very happy to see Item 6: Oral Questions you in the Gallery.

Question 435 – 3(3): Review of the Mr. Speaker, the policy was drafted Government of Nunavut’s Surplus specifically to ensure that prior to any Disposal Policy (Curley) government infrastructure being disposed of, such as old office buildings,

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3022 facilities, or even old vehicles… . For for surplus assets, yes or no? If not, why example, I know that some hamlets not? Thank you. express interest, especially if it is an office building. The hamlets are among Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. the first bodies that are consulted. The Minister responsible for Community and government tends to have internal Government Services, Minister notifications to its departments to see if Kusugak. there is any interest. If no department expresses interest, the hamlets are Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. usually the next in line for an expression Speaker. I’ll look into it further. Thank of interest. Sometimes other you, Mr. Speaker. organizations are consulted, such as the search and rescue societies, and asked Speaker: Thank you. Minister Kusugak. for an expression of interest. When none Your second supplementary, Mr. Curley. of these parties express an interest, it is put out for public tender for anyone to Mr. Curley: Thank you. The minister bid upon. That is generally how this indicated he will look into it. The process is laid out step by step for minister may want to indicate that he disposal of government assets. will actually review and change the policy. Number two, the Nunavut Hopefully that is understandable to my Housing Corporation and the territorial colleague. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. power corporation are exempted from the provisions of the government’s Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Kusugak. Surplus Disposal Policy. Can the Your first supplementary, Mr. Curley. minister clearly explain why these Crown corporations are not subject to Mr. Curley (interpretation): Thank you. this policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I understood the response provided by the minister. Part of what I talked Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. about was the last place status of the Minister responsible for Community and public. There are several layers listed Government Services Minister Kusugak. here and my reasoning was based on my reading of the policy. It states that Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. (interpretation ends) “everyone has an Speaker. I’ll take that question as notice equal chance to acquire items that have been declared surplus,” but there is a Speaker: Thank you, Minister Kusugak. contradiction, as I indicated, because The question has been taken as notice. there are at least five institutions and Moving on. Oral Questions. Member for organizations that have preference. Quttiktuq, Mr. Elliott.

So my next question is this: will the Question 436 – 3(3): Nunavut’s Arctic minister commit to changing his Council Priorities (Elliott) department’s Surplus Disposal Policy so that ordinary members of the general Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. public have an equal opportunity to bid My questions today are for the Premier.

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On August 23 of this year, our Member personally to speak about the issues I of Parliament was appointed Minister for spoke to. Although it wasn’t the Arctic Council. I want to take this comprehensive, we spoke about other opportunity to congratulate Minister matters, such as oil spills and the need to Aglukkaq on this well-deserved have the proper (interpretation ends) oil appointment. This weekend, I had the spill prevention, (interpretation) if I were opportunity to attend her consultations to say it in English. This continues to be as she begins to develop priorities for a source of concern for Nunavut, Canada’s upcoming two-year especially as our waters are being used chairmanship of the Arctic Council, by more ships as well as being explored which begins next May. by oil drilling companies. More ships are starting to use our waters as well. One of the four pillars of Canada’s Northern Strategy is to “promote social Another issue we spoke about was with and economic development.” Can the respect to the climate change that is Premier advise the House what causing challenges as the Arctic warms recommendations the Government of up and the ice is melting faster, which is Nunavut has made to the federal resulting in our waters being opened up. government in this area? Thank you, Mr. Ship traffic will increase as more of our Speaker. arctic waters open up. The people of Nunavut, including the wildlife, as well Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. as our marine mammals, require Minister responsible for Executive and protection, which I stressed was one of Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam the most important issues we face. Premier Another matter which has continued to Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): be a priority for this government not just Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the here in Nunavut but in other territories member for the question. First of all, I as well is the challenges associated with would also like to congratulate Leona suicide prevention. Again, I stressed that Aglukkaq. She’s now the Chair of the this is one of our foremost challenges. I Arctic Council. also asked whether or not any best practices are readily available or We recently had a meeting with Ms. alternatively, pooling our resources that Aglukkaq and I am happy to announce we can share. that she invited us to this meeting to gather our thoughts on the issue as There were various matters we discussed residents of Nunavut and our priorities related to health and social services, and issues of importance. I am also quite which the Minister of H&SS also happy that she invited all of the elected voiced, as these were topics of Members of this House and everyone importance to this government. was provided an opportunity to voice their thoughts on the matter. These were the topics we discussed ever since she started her position in the During this time, I also had the federal government and that she opportunity to meet Ms. Aglukkaq consulted us about. (interpretation ends)

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I would say that these are preliminary incidents in the north involve ground areas that we have voiced our opinion searches. I guess the specific question and I’m sure that there will be other about Nunavut’s search and rescue explorations as to what the other capabilities are best directed to the priorities are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister of Community and Government Services, of which his department is Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. working very hard in continuing on that Your first supplementary, Mr. Elliott. issue.

Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That being said, Nunavut has long been On October 18, 2011, I asked questions concerned about a lack of resources for in the House concerning the issue of air and sea search and rescue in the search and rescue in the north and the north. These efforts are assisted by the role of the Arctic Council. Canadian Forces and Canadian Coast Guard. I think the coordination centre, of On June 27, 2012, the three territorial course, for this is in Trenton, which is Premiers issued a communiqué many miles away from our arctic following a meeting of the Northern location. I continue to raise this concern Premiers’ Forum. In their communiqué, with the federal government and with the Premiers stated that, and I quote, representatives of the Canadian Armed “improvements to Canada’s Arctic Forces when they come up here to brief search and rescue capabilities North of us on their activities in the Arctic. In my 60 are necessary to prepare for the meetings with the federal officials, I increased pressures of resource have raised this issue and I will continue development activity and growing air to raise that as well. Thank you, Mr. and marine traffic, and to demonstrate Speaker. Arctic sovereignty.” Can the Premier advise the House what actions the Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. Government of Nunavut has undertaken Your second supplementary, Mr. Elliott. to address this priority with the federal government? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In its response to the questions that I asked Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. last October, the government indicated Minister responsible for Executive and that one of the specific priorities that it Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam wants to see addressed in the next Premier. Agreement on Cooperation on Aeronautical and Maritime Search and Hon. Eva Aariak: Thank you, Mr. Rescue in the Arctic is “consideration of Speaker. The search and rescue issue is the addition of a small, dedicated very important and a priority in our northern search and rescue contingent territory. The land-based search and stationed in Nunavut.” Can the Premier rescue efforts in Nunavut are led by the advise the House if she has raised this RCMP, in cooperation with the specific issue directly with the federal communities, as well as our municipal government and, if so, what has been the and territorial government departments federal response? Thank you, Mr. collectively. Most search and rescue Speaker.

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Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Minister responsible for Executive and Minister responsible for Executive and Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam Premier. Premier.

Hon. Eva Aariak: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Speaker. This area, once again, was also Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Improvement a topic of discussion with the northern of communications is very important, premiers, and I have also brought up the especially for emergency responses. issue with a number of federal ministers When we had a glitch in that satellite over the last year, such as Minister communications system, we had to look Aglukkaq, Minister of Foreign Affairs through it. From what I understand, CGS and International Trade, the Hon. John and the community government are Baird, and Minister of Infrastructure, working together to look at how they can Hon. Minister Lebel, during his improve the communications system, consultation this past July. Although including for emergency responses. there have been no specific They would be an excellent department commitments yet from the Government to ask if you want to get an update of Canada, we continue to press the because the minister responsible places federal officials on this issue. Thank this as a high priority. Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker.

Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. Your final supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Oral Questions. Member for Nattilik, Ms. Ugyuk. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for that response. It’s good to Question 437 – 3(3): Lack of Daycare see the Government of Nunavut working Spaces in Nunavut (Ugyuk) towards that. I know, in terms of Resolute Bay, we have pushed Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, continually with the whole government Mr. Speaker. I would like to say “good approach that the federal government day” to my mother, who is in takes in terms of DND there and the Yellowknife, and I love her. Polar Continental Shelf Program. I think search and rescue assets in Resolute Bay (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I would be an excellent addition and would like to direct my questions to the welcomed by the community. Minister of Education.

My final question, Mr. Speaker, is the Mr. Speaker, there continues to be lack Government of Nunavut has also stated of daycare spaces available across that one of its other priorities in this area Nunavut. This service is an important is “improved communications, including one, not only to provide early childhood allocation of bandwidth for emergency education to our children, but to support response.” Can the Premier update the parents and families who wish to House on recent developments in this participate in a working economy or area? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3026 improve their level of education and DEAs must meet the Education Act training. requirements to provide early childhood education programs which promote the Last week, I asked the minister a Inuit language and Inuit culture. The question about the number of daycares Education Act is not intended to meet operating in Nunavut. While we are the daycare and learning needs of waiting for the information to be children aged zero to five, but it was not provided, as committed by the Minister designated to include junior of Education, I would like to ask the kindergarten. (interpretation) Thank you, Minister of Education to describe what Mr. Speaker. criteria must be met in order to open a daycare facility. Thank you, Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Minister of Speaker. Education. Your first supplementary, Ms. Ugyuk. Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Minister responsible for the Department Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, of Environment, Minister Aariak. Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the minister for her response. (interpretation Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): ends) Mr. Speaker, can the minister Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to update this House on the status of her thank the member for posing that department’s review of the Child Day question. In regard to the education Care Act and whether the results of this committees, part of their responsibility is review will change the criteria for to take care of the preschool programs opening community daycares? Thank and daycare services. Those are you, Mr. Speaker. available under the Education Act. Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. When it comes to early childhood Minister responsible for the Department education programs, they need a licence of Environment, Minister Aariak. under the Child Day Care Act to make sure that the children are in a safe Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): environment. (interpretation ends) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time, Licensing requirements, as an example, these are the early childhood programs are staff ratios, space requirements, currently being reviewed. Once the etcetera, that apply to early childhood review has been completed, we will have education programs. They do not apply a better idea as to whether we need to to the supervision or instruction of revise the Child Day Care Act. It is only school aged children offered by a school after this review that this will be delivering the education program in identified. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. accordance with the Education Act. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. The early childhood education program Your second supplementary, Ms. Ugyuk. runs out of the school, is not part of the school program, and as such, still Ms. Ugyuk: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I requires licensing under the Education would like to thank the minister for Act. answering my question. As I mentioned

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3027 in my preamble, there are not enough written response later on this week. daycare spaces available across Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Nunavut. Can the minister update this House on how many daycare spaces are Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. currently available across Nunavut? Oral Questions. Member for Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Pangnirtung, Mr. Oshutapik.

Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Question 438 – 3(3): Government of Minister responsible for the Department Nunavut Hiring Practices of Education, Minister Aariak. (Oshutapik) Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just last week, My questions today are for the Minister our colleague asked a question related to of Human Resources. daycare services, and in order to provide a full response, I wanted to provide my In my Member’s Statement today, I response in writing. That is still my spoke about the need for the government intention at this time, so I will be to have fair hiring practices and the need providing a written response later on this for the government to follow the Priority week. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hiring Policy. Can the minister explain how the Department of Human Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. Resources enforces the Priority Hiring Your final supplementary, Ms. Ugyuk. Policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) There Minister responsible for the Department are specific requirements under of Human Resources, Minister Ell. Nunavut’s new Education Act to provide early childhood education programs in Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank Nunavut communities. Can the minister you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank the update this House on the challenges her member for asking that question and I department has faced in implementing will try to provide a response. This issue this aspect of the legislation? Thank you, you spoke to regarding the Priority Mr. Speaker. Hiring Policy, the objective is to prioritize certain categories for positions Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. within the government. This Minister responsible for the Department prioritization is specifically for Inuit of Education, Minister Aariak. who are Nunavut land claims beneficiaries. The beneficiaries, whom Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): are Inuit, are part of the Nunavut Land Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Currently, Claims Agreement and, if any daycare facilities are one of our most beneficiary has applied for a government urgent needs in all of Nunavut. At this position, then they are supposed to be a time, we don’t have enough daycare priority. At least that is what is supposed facilities. This issue is still being to happen when positions are being researched and it will be included in my filled.

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With respect to the Priority Hiring is the process for the employee to Policy, it isn’t the sole responsibility of a request that a formal investigation be single department. The cabinet follows undertaken? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. this hiring policy and it has to be approved by cabinet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. Speaker. Minister responsible for the Department of Human Resources, Minister Ell. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Your first supplementary, Mr. Oshutapik. Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the member Mr. Oshutapik: Thank you, Mr. clarify his question? There are a lot of Speaker. (interpretation) I would like to jobs that are available within the thank the minister for responding to my government, so I would like to ask the question. (interpretation ends) Mr. member to clarify his question. Thank Speaker, can the minister clarify how the you, Mr. Speaker. Department of Human Resources ensures that managers are not involved Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Mr. in hiring decisions involving their own Oshutapik, can you clarify your question relatives? (interpretation) Thank you, for the minister, please. Mr. Speaker. Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. you, Mr. Speaker. My question was: if Minister responsible for the Department the government’s hiring procedures had of Human Resources, Minister Ell. not been followed, what is the process for the employee to request a formal Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank investigation to be undertaken by your you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not exactly sure department? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. about your question, but I believe you were talking about managers not being Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. involved in hiring decisions involving Minister responsible for the Department their own relatives. It is usually referred of Human Resources, Minister Ell. to cabinet and goes through the approval process. Again, we have to look at each Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank individual, directly look at the education you, Mr. Speaker. A copy of the Priority level and experience, and so on. Thank Hiring Policy is available on the Internet you, Mr. Speaker. for anyone and all the government employees have a copy about the Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Your government hiring procedures. If those second supplementary, Mr. Oshutapik. procedures have not been followed, our department would like to be informed. Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank Thank you, Mr. Speaker. you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for your response. In circumstances where an Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ell. Your first employee of the Government of Nunavut supplementary, Mr. Oshutapik. believes that the government’s hiring procedures have not been followed, what

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Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank Mr. Speaker, as the minister will recall, I you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for asked questions during the Committee of understanding my question. I was going the Whole’s review of his department’s to try and speak in French if you didn’t 2012-13 main estimates and business understand me. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. plan concerning how his department allocates conservation officers (interpretation ends) According to throughout the territory. The minister information on the government’s indicated to me that his department website, which you talked about, the “works closely with local hunters and Department of Human Resources is trappers organizations. Once they have currently developing a new directive for made a request, we review those its Human Resources Manual concerning requests to determine if they need “Offences and Integrity Management.” additional renewable resource officers.” Can the minister clarify what this directive will address and can she Can the minister indicate if the indicate when it will be finalized? Thank Mittimatalik Hunters and Trappers you, Mr. Speaker. Organization in Pond Inlet made a request for an additional conservation Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. officer for our community? Thank you, Minister responsible for the Department Mr. Speaker. of Human Resources, Minister Ell. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank Minister responsible for the Department you, Mr. Speaker. To elaborate further of Environment, Minister Arreak. on that policy, as I mentioned earlier in regard to having cabinet make a Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): decision, in regard to direct Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the appointments, priority hiring is to urge member for asking the question on beneficiaries to get into the workforce. conservation officers. At this time, we In regard to your question, I will look did not receive a request for additional into that and pass on the information to conservation officers for Pond Inlet. We you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. work with the community conservation officers and keep monitoring them to Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Item make sure that they don’t get 6. Oral Questions. Member for Tununiq, overloaded. I’m replying with the same Mr. Enook. response as the spring session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question 439 – 3(3): Allocation of Conservation Officers (Enook) Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. Your first supplementary, Mr. Enook. Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon to the Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, people of Pond Inlet and to my fellow Mr. Speaker. As the minister will also Nunavummiut. Mr. Speaker, I would recall, I sent him correspondence on this like to direct my questions to the issue in May of this year. The response Minister of Environment, Hon. Arreak. to me indicated that the minister had

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“instructed his officials to review the Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. allocation of staff in association with the Your second supplementary, Mr. Enook. budget planning process.” Can the minister indicate if this review has been Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, completed and can he describe what Mr. Speaker. The minister knows this for changes, if any, have been made to the a fact and his response to me also allocation of conservation officers for indicated that “the department, like all my community of Pond Inlet? Thank others, has a limited number of positions you, Mr. Speaker. and resources. These are allocated among the department’s program areas Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. in consideration of Government of Minister responsible for the Department Nunavut priorities, regional needs, of Environment, Minister Arreak. community needs, legal obligations and many other factors.” Can the minister Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): explain the exact formula for how his Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As per my department determines the allocation of previous response, the situation still conservation officers and, if not, will he remains much like it was this spring; the commit to tabling it in the House before set number of conservation officers in the end of the fall sitting? Thank you, the communities hasn’t changed. At this Mr. Speaker. time, nothing is in the works to increase the number of conservation officers in Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. the communities or even if we can get Minister responsible for the Department additional conservation officers. of Environment, Minister Arreak.

Our staff monitors the community as to Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): whether the conservation officer’s Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Likewise, our workload is sufficient for one officer or department keeps monitoring the whether two conservation officers are conservation officers in the communities required. If the workload is sufficient for to make sure that their workload is not one conservation officer, the community going over and we monitor the retains the one officer. If the workload communities to see if they need requires two conservation officers, the additional conservation officers or not. community would have two conservation officers. Alternatively, In regard to his community of Pond communities can request additional Inlet, they currently have just one conservation officers through a training conservation officer. However, the North program. This has occurred in other Baffin manager position is currently communities. vacant and this position is being dealt with. When was the end date? Indeed, Currently, the number of conservation the position is being readied for filling. officers hasn’t changed to date and we haven’t identified any further positions However, at this time, with respect to the to be transferred to the community. member’s request for the formula used, I Thank you, Mr. Speaker. don’t have the information handy. Once I am able or need to provide that

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3031 information, I may provide that community’s needs when we make a information directly to the member via decision, whether we need to hire written correspondence. Thank you, Mr. additional conservation officers or not. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. Your final supplementary, Mr. Enook. Oral Questions. Member for Nanulik, Mr. Ningeongan. Mr. Enook: (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps I should preface Question 440 – 3(3): Status of my question to make it understandable. Implementation of Nunavut’s With respect to the consultant, the Education Act (Ningeongan) minister knows for a fact that this position he alluded to isn’t just for the Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank community of Pond Inlet. It is a position you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct for the entire Baffin region, with no ties my question to the Minister of to the community of Pond Inlet. It is set Education. I want my colleagues to as a regional position and he can’t know that I do not ask questions just include it as a position working for the because these questions are popping out. community of Pond Inlet. I have been asked to ask these questions on education and other topics. I want to raise this question: does the department have any written guidelines (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, in my that are used to determine whether or not Member’s Statement last week, I spoke a community requires another of our government’s opportunity to conservation officer? Thank you, Mr. reform our education system in such a Speaker. way as to offer our high school graduates the best chance of success in Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. their future academic careers. Minister responsible for the Department of Environment, Minister Arreak. At this time, can the minister provide an update on what progress has been Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): [made] in implementing the made-in- Mr. Speaker, for various reasons, we Nunavut Education Act which came into monitor the conservation officers’ force in 2009? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. workload. I can only respond the way I did. If the workload is sufficient enough Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. for one conservation officer, then we Minister responsible for the Department have one conservation officer, but it of Education, Minister Aariak. depends on the workload and various other factors. Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I In the community of Pond Inlet, we have would like to say that as Nunavummiut, noticed and we know that one we are very pleased about hearing from conservation officer is sufficient enough Nunavummiut. We consulted with for the community. We look at the Nunavummiut first before we made

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Nunavut’s Education Act. This entering into post-secondary education. Education Act came into force in July. We have to work together to make sure To date, we are now working very hard that the students do their homework and to implement the provisions of this Act make sure our students attend school on and we have not completely a daily basis, and provide some kind of implemented all the provisions. I will support to the parents when they seek find out what the status is and I will more support. explain further to my colleague. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When the students go to school, they do tests. For example, the last year’s Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. achievements, the teachers work on what Your first supplementary, Mr. the students need to learn more and what Ningeongan. the subjects they need to be assisted on. With the assistance from the principal, Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank they do a checkup on the student for the you, Mr. Speaker. As you and my upcoming school year, what the student colleagues will be aware, I have serious needs to be taught and what the student concerns that our education system is not requires. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. adequately preparing our high school graduates for continuing in post- Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. secondary education. Can the minister Your second supplementary, Mr. clearly identify what changes or reforms Ningeongan. are being considered to ensure that our graduates have the necessary knowledge Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank and skills to enter and succeed in post- you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank secondary education after graduation? the minister for her response. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) Can the minister explain why Nunavut’s curriculum has Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. moved away from a system that focused Minister responsible for the Department on the three Rs, which I spoke about last of Education, Minister Aariak. week, which ensured that the students had the essential skills in reading, Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): writing, and arithmetic, and how, under Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s very Nunavut’s new education system, important to have grade 12 graduates students are expected to achieve these and it’s also very important to continue basic skill levels? (interpretation) Thank post-secondary education because we you, Mr. Speaker. would like to hire Nunavummiut, we would like to hire post-secondary Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. graduates, and there are more Minister responsible for the Department employment opportunities for those of Education, Minister Aariak. graduates. Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): We have to work together on education Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to and we have to work together so that thank the member for remembering the there are more graduated students three Rs. It has been a few weeks since I

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3033 spoke to the deputy minister in regard to Yes, they benefit. When the students this issue and we discussed the topic of leave, they know and feel comfortable what else needs to be looked at. We also about themselves. It helps the students discussed reading, writing, and more and lets us remember that other arithmetic. We spoke about the three Rs subjects have to be learned, such as other and we’re now in the reviewing stages. curriculum. If the student wants to Thank you, Mr. Speaker. graduate and go to further education, they can only graduate if they gain the Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. required credits. It benefits the students. Your final supplementary, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ningeongan. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank Oral Questions. Member for Quttiktuq, you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the minister Mr. Elliott. for the response. Thank you for telling me that your department will be looking Question 441 – 3(3): Career Guidance at the three Rs. for High School Students (Elliott)

I recognize that great efforts have been Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. made to include a Nunavut-specific My questions are directed to the Minister cultural component into the curriculum of Education. and that this component for grades 10, 11, and 12 is a requirement to graduate. Mr. Speaker, as you will recall from Can the minister explain how this your days in the Education portfolio, the curriculum requirement for Nunavut implementation of Nunavut’s new graduates will benefit them in their Education Act resulted in the creation of pursuit of higher education in Winnipeg, several new positions, including student Ottawa, Edmonton, or elsewhere in the support assistants and language south? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. specialists, as well as 43 community school counsellors, one for every school Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. in Nunavut. Minister responsible for the Department of Education, Minister Aariak. One critical role that school counsellors can play is to assist students in career Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): planning guidance and to ensure that Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we are they are taking the appropriate courses aware, anyone who knows and is proud so that when they graduate, they will of where they come from, it really helps have the basic skills necessary to enter the individual with furthering their the post-secondary field of their choice. education. With that good foundation, they’re apt to learn. We had to look at Can the minister update this House on that during the development of the how many of those school counsellor legislation and it was the request by Inuit positions are currently filled in Nunavut to include the Inuktitut language. schools? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. counsellors.” Can the minister confirm Minister responsible for the Department that one of those functions is to provide of Education, Minister Aariak. career planning and guidance to students? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These school Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. counsellors in the schools were all here Minister responsible for the Department in Iqaluit to take some training so they of Education, Minister Aariak. can take upgrading in order to help the students. I will check to see exactly how Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): many counsellors there are and I’ll Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The guidance answer your question later on once I get counsellors have different the information. I will get a number as responsibilities within the school. If a soon as I find out. Thank you, Mr. student needs further help, then they go Speaker. and help them. They also work, looking at what they would like to do in the Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. future when they have grades 10, 11, and Your first supplementary, Mr. Elliott. 12. It also includes guidance counselling. That’s what they deal with Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. as the guidance counsellors. Thank you, Can the minister clarify which entity has Mr. Speaker. the responsibility for hiring school counsellors for each school? Is it the Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. district education authority, the Your final supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Department of Education, or the Department of Human Resources? Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In Thank you, Mr. Speaker. February, during our Committee of the Whole debate on the main estimates for Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. the Department of Education, there was Minister responsible for the Department some discussion of the Career and of Education, Minister Aariak. Program Planning Program. Can the minister provide an update on how this Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): program will support students in Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With respect to planning for their careers and what role prospective staff members within the student guidance counsellors have in school system, the DEA is involved in delivering it? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. the hiring process for school positions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Minister responsible for the Department Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. of Education, Minister Aariak. Your second supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When they’re Section 89(1)(d) of the Education Act at the higher grades, it gets important includes the “individuals who perform that the students are prepared for the functions of school community graduation. When they’re finishing

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3035 grade 12, they are assisted. Whether they community-based courses in early want to go to school or take counselling, childhood education? they don’t have different guidance. Teachers also help out. They usually 3. Broken down by community, what know their students and what they like to courses are do, so they can guide them to where they being planned to provide education want to go in further education. They are and training to daycare operators and not dealt with by one counsellor; the early childhood educators for the preparation for their graduation is remainder of the 2012-13 fiscal year supported by different groups. Thank and the 2013-14 fiscal year? you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Madam Minister. Members will note that the allotted time Speaker: Do members agree that the for question period has expired. We will questions be entered into the record as move on in our orders of the day. Item 7. read? Written Questions. Member for Nattilik, Ms. Ugyuk. Some Members: Agreed.

Item 7: Written Questions Speaker: And so they shall be. Item 7. Written Questions. Item 8. Returns to Written Question 019 – 3(3): NAC Written Questions. Item 9. Replies to Courses to Support Early Opening Address. Item 10. Petitions. Childhood Education (Ugyuk) Item 11. Responses to Petitions. Item 12. Reports of Standing and Special Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Committees on Bills and Other Matters. Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) Many Item 13. Tabling of Documents. of our communities need more support to provide adequate daycare services. Item 13: Tabling of Documents My written question is related to early childhood education courses delivered Tabled Document 244 – 3(3): Draft by Nunavut Arctic College. I ask that the Plebiscites Act (Speaker) questions be entered into the record as read. Tabled Document 245 – 3(3): Public Consultation Materials on the 1. Broken down by community, what Draft Plebiscites Act (Speaker) Nunavut Arctic College courses have been delivered to provide education Members, I have two documents to table and training to daycare operators and today, the first one being the Proposed early childhood educators from the New Plebiscites Act and the second is 2004-05 fiscal year through to 2012- the Election Nunavut’s Public 13 (to date) fiscal year? Consultation Materials on the Draft Plebiscites Act. Thank you. 2. What considerations need to be met in order for NAC to decide to deliver Item 13. Tabling of Documents. Minister of Finance, Minister Peterson.

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Tabled Document 246 – 3(3): Interim for the Fiscal Year 2011-12. Thank you, Financial Report (Unaudited) Mr. Speaker. March 31, 2012 (Peterson) Speaker: Thank you, Minister Kusugak. Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Tabling of Documents. Member for Speaker. I am pleased to table the Tununiq, Mr. Enook. Interim Financial Report (Unaudited) for March 31, 2012. Thank you, Mr. Tabled Document 250 – 3(3): Speaker. Correspondence Concerning Return to Written Question 18 – Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. 3(3) (Enook) Tabling of Documents. Minister responsible for Community and Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Government Services, Minister Mr. Speaker. I wish to table a copy of Kusugak. my July 10, 2012 correspondence to the Minister responsible for the Nunavut Tabled Document 247 – 3(3): Housing Corporation concerning the Procurement Activity Report, minister’s incomplete responses to my Fiscal Year 2011-2012 (Kusugak) recent written questions. I still have not had the courtesy of a reply to my letter, Tabled Document 248 – 3(3): Contract and I will continue to pursue this issue Activity Report, Fiscal Year 2011- with the minister. Thank you, Mr. 2012 (Kusugak) Speaker.

Tabled Document 249 – 3(3): Lease Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. Item Activity Report, Fiscal Year 2011- 13. Tabling of Documents. Minister 2012 (Kusugak) responsible for the Liquor Licensing Board, Minister Shewchuk. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to table the three Tabled Document 251 – 3(3): Annual following documents: Report 2008-2009, Nunavut Liquor Licensing Board The Procurement Activity Report for the (Shewchuk) Fiscal Year 2011-12. I would like to Tabled Document 252 – 3(3): Annual point out to the Assembly that this report Report 2009-2010, Nunavut has a correction page on the inside of the Liquor Licensing Board cover page. The error is only in the (Shewchuk) English version; they only made a Tabled Document 253 – 3(3): Annual mistake in English. Report 2010-2011, Nunavut Liquor Licensing Board Mr. Speaker, I also want to table the (Shewchuk) Contract Activity Report for the Fiscal Tabled Document 254 – 3(3): Annual Year 2011-12. Report 2011-2012, Nunavut Liquor Licensing Board While I’m at it, Mr. Speaker, I would (Shewchuk) like to table the Lease Activity Report

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Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, Towards a Representative Public Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to table four Service, Statistics as of March 31, 2012; documents today, that is, the Nunavut and the other one, as of June 30, 2012. Liquor Licensing Board’s 2008-09, Thank you. 2009-2010, 2010-11, and 2011-12 annual reports. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Ell. Item 13. Tabling of Documents. Member for >>Applause Amittuq, Mr. Tapardjuk.

Speaker: Thank you, Minister Tabled Document 258 – 3(3): Shewchuk, for tabling those four Executive Summary of the Draft documents. Item 13. Tabling of Nunavut Land Use Plan and the Documents. Member for Quttiktuq, Mr. Baffin Island Community Elliott. Consultation Schedule (Tapardjuk) Tabled Document 255 – 3(3): Articles Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank Concerning Arctic Search and you, Mr. Speaker. Further to my Rescue (Elliott) Member’s Statement earlier today, I wish to table today a copy of the Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I Executive Summary of the Nunavut wish to table a collection of three recent Planning Commission’s Draft Nunavut articles concerning the issue of arctic Land Use Plan and the Baffin Island search and rescue, one of which was community consultation schedule. I written by our colleague, the Hon. encourage all Nunavummiut to learn Member for Akulliq. I urge all members more about this important document and to review these with care. Thank you, participate in the consultations when the Mr. Speaker. Nunavut Planning Commission visits their community. Thank you, Mr. >>Laughter Speaker.

Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Item Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. 13. Tabling of Documents. Minister Item 13. Tabling of Documents. A heavy responsible for the Department of table today. Item 14. Notices of Motions. Human Resources, Minister Ell. Item 15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills. Mr. Elliott. Tabled Document 256 – 3(3): Towards a Representative Public Service, Item 15: Notices of Motions for First Statistics as of March 31, 2012 Reading of Bills (Ell) Tabled Document 257 – 3(3): Towards Bill 45 – An Act Respecting a Representative Public Service, Constituency Names and Statistics as of June 30, 2012 (Ell) Superannuation of Certain Independent Officers of the Hon. Monica Ell (interpretation): Thank Legislative Assembly – Notice you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) I am pleased to table two documents:

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Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I by the departments of Health and Social give notice that on Wednesday, October Services and Economic Development 31, 2012, I will move that Bill 45, An and Transportation. Thank you, Mr. Act Respecting Constituency Names and Chairman. Superannuation of Certain Independent Officers of the Legislative Assembly, be Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Rumbolt. Does the committee agree Speaker. to continue with our review of the Nunavut Housing Corporation? Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Some Members: Agreed. Bills. Item 16. Motions. Item 17. First Reading of Bills. Item 18. Second Bill 41 – Appropriation (Capital) Act, Reading of Bills. Item 19. Consideration 2013-2014 – Nunavut Housing in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Corporation – Consideration in Other Matters. Bills 41, 42, and 43 with Committee Mr. Tapardjuk in the Chair. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Before we proceed to the Committee of Do you agree to bring in Minister the Whole, we will take a 20-minute Taptuna and his witnesses? break. Some Members: Agreed. Sergeant-at-Arms. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you >>House adjourned at 15:31 and very much. Sergeant-at-Arms, please Committee resumed at 15:57 escort the witnesses in.

Item 19: Consideration in Committee Thank you. We will now continue with of the Whole of Bills and Other our review. Minister Taptuna, for the Matters record, please introduce your witnesses. Minister Taptuna. Chairman (Mr. Tapardjuk) (interpretation): Thank you. I would now Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. like to call the committee meeting to Chairman. On my right is Mr. Alain order. I would like to thank you again Barriault, President of the Nunavut for being here. In Committee of the Housing Corporation, and on my Whole, we have the following items to immediate left is Lori Kimball, Chief deal with: Bills 41, 42, and 43. What is Financial Officer. Thank you, Mr. the wish of the committee this Chairman. afternoon? Mr. Rumbolt. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Minister Taptuna. Welcome, Mr. Chairman. We wish to continue with the Barriault and Ms. Kimball. We’re on review of Bill 41, Appropriation page J-3. (interpretation ends) Nunavut (Capital) Act, 2013-2014, and the Housing Corporation. Branch Summary. Nunavut Housing Corporation, followed Nunavut Housing Corporation. Total

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Capital Expenditures. $28,841,000. knowing where they’re going to be (interpretation) Those people who constructed? How can you figure out wanted to ask questions included Mr. you need $5 million for staff housing Enook and he didn’t get his response on even if you don’t know where they’re Friday. If you have any questions, Mr. going to be constructed? Thank you. Enook. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon, Mr. Minister and your officials. I would like Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. to start out with staff housing Chairman. Although $5 million is a fair construction in the amount of $5 million. amount, we do need a bigger budget than The question I had on Friday, Mr. that. The housing demands, the housing Chairman, was that $5 million is going needs are rampant in Nunavut, including to be used for staff housing units. I think staff housing. At this time, we’re using I was going to ask where it’s going to be. our best estimates, as we have always Where are those staff houses going to be used. It’s approximately three duplexes located or constructed? Thank you, Mr. for that amount. At this time, we’re Chairman. doing that to work with Human Resources to get the best value for that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, small amount of money to provide staff Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. housing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman. I thank the committee Minister Taptuna. Do you have any member for that question. Mr. Chairman, more questions? Mr. Enook. the staff housing units aren’t allocated yet. At this time, we’re discussing and Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, meeting with Human Resources. We are Mr. Chairman. Maybe I just don’t partners in determining where these understand it. When I first became a units are going to be going and we’re member, I said that money has to be meeting with them tomorrow. Thank spent properly and they have to spend you, Mr. Chairman. the money wisely because it’s public funds. The only thing that I cannot Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, understand, Mr. Chairman, is the Minister Taptuna. Do you have any housing corporation does not know more questions? Mr. Enook. where those staff houses will be built. How do you know which departments Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, might be built public housing for which Mr. Chairman. The $5 million is a huge departments? amount of money. The question that I had or whether I was thinking about it or For instance, let’s just guess $5 million. not. If I hadn’t asked the question, I will Somebody has to make me believe that ask the question again. You need $5 the $5 million is an accurate number. To million for constructing staff housing. date, I have not had any understanding How do you figure it out without of where that $5 million came from

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3040 because they don’t know yet. There is budget. We have been working with nothing written of where the staff houses Human Resources and looking at other will be built, although they are going to options, as recommended, to either buy meet tomorrow. It doesn’t say what staff or renovate some older units out there, to housing are going to be built and which maximize the amount that we’re departments they will be built for. There allocated. At this time, we’re taking a is nothing in there. There is nothing good look with Human Resources to try written. and come up with the best value for that small budget. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The concern that I have, Mr. Chairman, is this and I will use Pond Inlet as an Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, example. In Pond Inlet, there is a lot of Minister Taptuna. Mr. Enook. staff housing that has never been used. Are we just going to build staff housing Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, for the sake of building them in other Mr. Chairman. Maybe if I ask this communities? Since we got Nunavut, question, I will get a good response. those houses in Pond Inlet have not been Wouldn’t it be better if the Department occupied. Is that how the department of Human Resources first states whether estimates that amount of money and we need staff housing here and here? which department it is going to be used Wouldn’t it be better like that? Thank for? you, Mr. Chairman.

I still don’t understand exactly where Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, that $5 million is going to be used to Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. build staff housing. I just don’t want to agree to something where I don’t know Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. where the location is going to be. Could Chairman. As I have indicated the need somebody give me a little bit of for 907 units, it’s very difficult to come information on that? Thank you, Mr. up with an immediate allocation for that Chairman. budget, but as recommended, we’re looking at other various ways of Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, maximizing that $5 million. As I Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. indicated, we do have a needs assessment done and we’re looking at Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. the GN employment positions with Chairman. I thank the committee Human Resources to maximize that member for that question. Mr. Chairman, again. There are 25 communities and the to meet the needs of staff housing in need is just so huge. To get the 907 units Nunavut, we need 907 units. With this needed, we will need a huge budget, small amount, we’re talking about three which we don’t have. We’re trying to, duplexes or two five-plexes. That’s a again, maximize the budget that we’re very small impact on the total needs. allotted. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

We’re taking recommendations from Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, committee members on how to Minister Taptuna. Do you have any maximize the value for that small more questions? Mr. Enook.

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Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Yes. Mr. Chairman. I thank the minister for his response. I just don’t want the Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, minister to make a mistake. I know that Mr. Chairman. On the same page, J-5, there needs to be staff housing. We under Homeownership Programs, I think could all agree as members, but the there’s $2 million in Qikiqtaaluk – problem that some of us members have various. What’s the difference between is when you walk around in my that amount and the $500,000 above it community, there are lots of staff for the Homeownership Program - housing that have never been used HOTRP? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. before, and they tell us that this is staff housing. They have to be utilized. I Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, know there’s $5 million for staff Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. housing, but how do I know that this amount of money is going to end up the Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. same as in Pond Inlet? Are we going to Chairman. I’ll have my president be building staff housing and not have respond to that question. Thank you, Mr. them occupied like in Pond Inlet? Thank Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault. Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The HOTRP program is the Chairman. That’s why we’re working Heating Oil Tank Replacement Program. closely with the human resources That’s a targeted program with a specific department to determine the best number of years of life in the program. allocation of resources to actually locate As well, we have miscellaneous where we’re going to be building these homeownership programs and those staff units. The member is absolutely encompass the other entire portfolio of right. There are six units that are vacant homeownership programs, from the at this time, but these vacant units do tie Nunavut Down Payment Assistance in with a position, and there is a Program, the Home Repair Program, requirement to keep the staff units etcetera. We have a number of smaller available for some of these positions that programs that fall within that category are going into some of these and those are allocated based on need, so communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. they’re not broken down by individual programs. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Mr. Enook. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault. Mr. Enook. Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will probably have Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, more questions on the staff housing Mr. Chairman. I thank the minister and units. Can I ask another question on J-5? his officials for that information. I thought that $2 million was for

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3042 homeownership programs that you can review with no ceiling. So I don’t have apply to. Do they usually use up all that any more questions, okay? amount of money, the $2 million? For instance, they just replaced the >>Laughter foundations in July for people with homeownership, and the $2 million will Thank you. be used for other things rather than foundations. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Ms. Ugyuk. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also thank the minister Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. as, ever since I started in 2010, he is the Chairman. I thank the committee fourth minister holding the NHC member for that question. At this time, portfolio and I tend to ask the same the application process is ongoing. Mr. questions about the construction of Chairman, I would like my financial housing units. I appreciate his responses. officer to respond to that question in I hope that you will remain as the detail. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister responsible for the Nunavut Housing Corporation, Mr. Taptuna. I Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, also am grateful for his work as he Minister Taptuna. Ms. Kimball. provides good support for the members.

Ms. Kimball: Thank you, Mr. (interpretation ends) As the minister is Chairman. Year to date, we have spent aware, I am concerned about the issue of $1.4 million. We have allocated the adequate staff housing in our majority of the homeownership monies communities for frontline workers, such that we received this year towards as nurses and teachers. Can the minister projects, but they haven’t necessarily or his officials indicate how many new been spent yet in terms of the actual cash staff housing units will be constructed in out the door. We do have commitments. Taloyoak and Gjoa Haven during the One of the challenges, though, is finding next fiscal year? Thank you, Mr. contractors available in the communities Chairman. to administer all of these programs. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Minister Taptuna. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Mr. Ningark. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the committee Mr. Ningark: Thank you. I had wanted member for that question. Mr. Chairman, to speak on Friday, right? So my name is right at this time, there’s a five-plex still on that list. Yes, I was so focused being constructed in Taloyoak and so is when my friend, Mr. Curley, spoke that in Gjoa Haven for staff units. Thank about the importance of rental review, you, Mr. Chairman. but I had a nightmare about the rental

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Anything else? Ms. Ms. Ugyuk. Minister Taptuna. Ugyuk. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman. We’re not aware of Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) How overcrowding in some of these staff does the Nunavut Housing Corporation units, but as I indicated earlier, we’re work with the departments of Human trying to find ways to either buy some of Resources, Education, and Health and these homes or renovate some of the Social Services to determine the number existing homes to, again, maximize the of new staff housing units that are best use for our budget. We have never required in each community? Thank you, heard of any overcrowding in staff units. Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Minister Taptuna. Minister Taptuna. Ms. Ugyuk.

Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman. As I indicated earlier, the Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank the need for 907 units is a huge task for the minister for his responses. (interpretation departments to work with. With this ends) Can the minister or his officials small budget, we’re trying to figure out indicate how many new staff housing ways, including consultations with units have been constructed in Gjoa Education, the human resources Haven and Taloyoak over the last three department, including Finance, to find years? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ways to maximize and allocate those staff housing to the most… . Everything Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, is based on the availability of lots in Ms. Ugyuk. Minister Taptuna. certain communities and the positions that are required for these communities. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I’ll have the president, Mr. Barriault, respond to that question. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister Taptuna. Anything else? Ms. Ugyuk. Chairman: Mr. Barriault.

Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I Chairman. I’m just looking through one have raised issues concerning of our spreadsheets for summary in the overcrowding in existing staff housing Kitikmeot. Actually, I guess, these are units. Can the minister or his officials more current year. For Gjoa Haven, five explain the process by which it works units and Taloyoak was the other. with other departments to resolve these Pardon me. In Taloyoak, there’s a five- situations? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. plex that has currently been awarded and the materials are on site, but I believe the work will be starting this spring. Thank

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3044 you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Minister Taptuna. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Mr. Barriault. Anything else? Ms. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Ugyuk. Chairman. Mr. Barriault will respond to that question. Thank you. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): I don’t think he understood my question. Chairman: Mr. Barriault. (interpretation ends) Can the minister or his officials indicate how many new staff Mr. Barriault: Nakurmiik, Mr. housing units have been constructed in Chairman. My apologies; I didn’t give a Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak over the last full answer on the previous question. In three years? (interpretation) I believe he Taloyoak, the only construction that has understands the question now. Thank taken place for staff housing is the you. current five-plex being built. So that’s for the past three years. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Minister Taptuna. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault. Ms. Ugyuk. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for the Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): I am so clarification. I’ll have Mr. Barriault grateful whenever my name is respond to that question. mentioned. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Can the minister or Chairman: Mr. Barriault. his officials indicate if there have been any concerns raised with the Nunavut Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Housing Corporation regarding such Chairman. In the past five years, five matters as land lot availability in Gjoa units of staff housing have been Haven and Taloyoak? Thank you, Mr. constructed, completed, and allocated in Speaker...Mr. Chairman. Gjoa Haven. There is currently another five-plex under construction in Gjoa Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Haven and that would be it for the three- Ms. Ugyuk. (interpretation ends) You year period. Thank you. are forgiven.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, >>Laughter Mr. Barriault. Ms. Ugyuk. Minister Taptuna. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have combined both Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak in my line of Chairman. Mr. Barriault will respond to questioning. As the minister didn’t that question in detail. Thank you, Mr. mention Taloyoak, I would like to know Chairman. what the situation is for Taloyoak. Thank you. Chairman: Mr. Barriault.

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Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman. I do not have any specific Ms Ugyuk. Let me remind you that we information in terms of land are reviewing the capital expenditures, development shortages specific to Gjoa specifically the $28,841,000 which is Haven or Taloyoak. I do know that in listed on pages J-4 and J-5, broken down many communities, a lot of the old into various line items. If you have any existing lots within communities have questions to the pages under review, been used up, but with all of the (interpretation ends) please construction we have done in the past (interpretation) confine it to the items four or five years, so many communities listed within the pages so we can have a now are struggling to develop more land. more effective committee meeting.

I have been speaking with the Nunavut Minister Taptuna, if you wish to Association of Municipalities senior respond, I will allow you to respond to admin officers to engage in some the question. discussion on better ways to do lot development and lower the cost for Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. homeowners as well as for the Nunavut Chairman. I’ll try and respond to that Housing Corporation and other users. So question. Of course, we work with the it is an issue that’s becoming more and municipalities to try and expedite the more predominant in many of our lots needed for building public units and communities and we wish to work staff housing. At this time, we haven’t closely with the municipalities to help contacted the birthright corporation of resolve that. Thank you. Kitikmeot Corporation. We do, in fact, work with the municipalities to best Chairman (interpretation): Thank you determine how to deal with lot shortages Mr. Barriault. Ms. Ugyuk. within the communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We all know that in Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Taloyoak, they have built a five-plex and Minister Taptuna. (interpretation ends) there are some road problems. When Ms. Ugyuk, capital expenditures, please. we’re looking at building the five-plex for staff housing, I hope that there’s easy Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, access for the water and sewage trucks. Mr. Chairman. I have concluded my If it’s not accessible, then they won’t be questions on housing construction. I able to occupy those units. would also like to ask this question. (interpretation ends) Can the minister or My next question is: (interpretation his officials indicate if capital funding is ends) how does the Nunavut Housing available to local housing organizations Corporation work with municipalities to construct modern warehouses? and such bodies as the Kitikmeot (interpretation) That will be my last Corporation to address issues concerning question. Thank you. land use and land lot availability? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Minister Taptuna.

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Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll have Mr. Barriault Chairman. I would like to welcome the respond to that question. Thank you, Mr. hon. minister, as well as Mr. Barriault Chairman. and Ms. Kimball. Along the lines of staffing, as raised by my colleagues here, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I believe this would also Mr. Barriault. apply to modernization and improvement in regard to staff. Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The warehousing needs of The Baker Lake LHO was inspected by local housing organizations are usually Nunavut Housing Corporation addressed through the capital planning administration a couple of years ago. It process. We are currently in the process was noted that the workshop and office of identifying what those needs would be administration needed expansion and on a longer term basis, and then to create renovations to meet the needs of staff as a warehouse replacement and renovation well as safety concerns. Will the 2013- plan. 14 capital include the Baker Lake housing workshop and administrative There were many new 40-by-80-foot office for renovations and expansions? warehouses built over a number of years. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Many of our warehousing is aging and in some cases, the housing stock that we Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, are maintaining has doubled since the Mr. Aupaluktuq. Minister Taptuna. warehouses were built. So part of the exercise we’re going through is to try to Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. remove material that has been stored Chairman. We haven’t gotten that far yet over the years that is no longer useful to the future determination of Baker and to provide some cold storage as well Lake’s warehousing and administrative for the local housing organizations to needs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. free up space in their heated warehouses. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Once we have done that work and Minister Taptuna. Mr. Aupaluktuq. finished our assessments of the buildings, we will be able to put together Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you. I will a multi-year plan and try to access some pursue the matter in other avenues in the of the limited capital dollars to do House, Mr. Chairman. something about that, but we’re also looking at the most cost-effective I wanted to ask as a formality: can the options that are available to us to meet minister update the staff and residents of those needs. Thank you. Baker Lake of future plans for the renovations and expansions of the Baker Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Lake office? Thank you. Mr. Barriault. I have Mr. Aupaluktuq, Mr. Oshutapik, Mr. Elliott, Mr. Curley, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, and I believe Mr. Ningark’s name is Mr. Aupaluktuq. Minister Taptuna. there. Mr. Aupaluktuq.

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Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. budget for homeownership is never Chairman. We will consider it at that enough. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. time, but so far, we have no determination on the needs of Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, warehousing and office space for Baker Minister Taptuna. Mr. Aupaluktuq. Lake. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman. Very understandable the Minister Taptuna. Mr. Aupaluktuq. budget is never satisfactory to meet the demands, but earlier, there was a Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you. Under statement by the Nunavut Housing homeownership, as we all know in Corporation in support of Nunavut, there are a lot more graduates homeownership. I believe that would pursuing post-secondary as well as other include the Nunavut Down Payment employment opportunities. With our Assistance Program. growing population, these young adults and young people are enhancing their Mr. Chairman, I want to ask: the lives by contributing to Baker Lake by corporation’s previous down payment furthering their education, gaining assistance program included an income employment, as noted. threshold level in order to qualify for funding. Your corporation’s new Also, with the shortage of units and information pamphlet does not refer to private sector rentals, my question is an income threshold level. Does the new directed, as I have indicated, to down payment assistance program have homeownership. Mr. Chairman, my an income threshold level? If so, what is question is the proposed budget for it? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 2013-14 is estimated at $4 million, same as last year, 2012-13. Does the Nunavut Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Housing Corporation anticipate that its Mr. Aupaluktuq. Minister Taptuna. 2013-14 proposed budget for homeownership programs will be Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. sufficient to meet public demand for the Chairman. I’ll have Mr. Barriault programs? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. respond to that question. Thank you.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman: Mr. Barriault. Mr. Aupaluktuq. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is still an income Chairman. Our budgets are never threshold level to qualify for the enough. We want to encourage Nunavut Down Payment Assistance homeownership within Nunavut. Program and that level has remained the Through that, we want more economic same as before the revisions to the activity to be happening in Nunavut. program. Homelessness and housing shortages; we do have to get people employed and the I do have a copy of the pamphlet with me and I will review it. If we are missing

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3048 that income threshold information, we Maintenance Program is listed at will make sure to add that and revise the $116,000. Since this line item doesn’t pamphlet accordingly. The income specify which units, is this for NHC threshold level is $125,000 and that is units? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. adjusted based on family size and a number of other factors. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. Minister Taptuna. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault. Mr. Aupaluktuq. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The allotted amount is for Mr. Aupaluktuq (interpretation): Thank private homeowners. Thank you, Mr. you. I wanted to ask a question on J-4 Chairman. with respect to capital projects specific to Baker Lake. In the 2013-14 capital Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, estimates, $514,000 is listed, which is Minister Taptuna. Do you have any for modernization and improvement/ further questions? Mr. Oshutapik. retrofit. That is the stated purpose, so I wonder if the minister can provide a Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank brief overview of what exactly this you, Mr. Chairman. I also thank Mr. entails and how it will impact the Minister for providing that response. community of Baker Lake. Thank you, Additionally, regarding the public Mr. Chairman. housing units that require modernization and improvement in all communities, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, they are listed from A-Z. If we had Mr. Aupaluktuq. Minister Taptuna. communities starting with zed, that is how it is written for all of these Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. renovations. Chairman. The member is absolutely right. That is what is budgeted for, So my question is: if a unit requires $514,000, and this is related to public renovation and modernization, what units only. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. criteria are used to determine that a unit is in need of modernization and Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, improvement? Do you simply follow the Minister Taptuna. Mr. Oshutapik. age of the unit or do you base this work on the assessment of the unit? I would Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank like that clarified, so if you can please you, Mr. Chairman. I also thank Mr. respond to the question. Thank you, Mr. Minister and his officials for being Chairman. available to respond to quite a few of our questions. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Taptuna. I want to ask about this matter, which is listed on J-5, with respect to elders’ Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. increased dependence on housing Chairman. The criteria are set through maintenance workers. The Seniors and the local housing organization with Disabled Persons Preventative consultations with the Nunavut Housing

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Corporation on necessary projects and business licensing and qualified improvements that’s needed on public technicians, as you have indicated. units. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Barriault to respond to that question in Minister Taptuna. Do you have any more detail. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. further questions? Mr. Oshutapik. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank Minister Taptuna. Mr. Barriault. you for that response. Yes, we will now know that is how it is determined. Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As Minister Taptuna has With respect to the same line item for noted, there are some basic M&I, at this current time, we are requirements, such as business licensing, provided updates on the projects and we general contractor’s liability coverage now know that contractors are required with the Workers’ Compensation and to have the proper training and Safety [Commission]. accreditation. This is also in line with the government position, and not just the As well, there is also some trade Nunavut Housing Corporation specialty requirements based on the requirements. How does the department legislation in Nunavut. To perform determine that a contractor is qualified electrical work, you must be a licensed for the work? electrician. To perform work on oil-fired appliances, such as furnaces and boilers, I know for a fact that carpenters need you have to be a licensed oil burner certification in order to work on the mechanic. So within those provisions of building. There are also specialists for the codes and the Building Code of insulation installation, plumbing, and Nunavut, we make sure that those are electrical work which require properly included in the contract requirements. certified workers with up-to-date Likewise, local housing organizations licences. These individuals need to be have skills and training to be able to certified because that’s their job. How perform this type of work. So there are do you know or get the qualifications of limitations that they can do with the the individuals who work at training and certification they have. modernization and improvement? Thank When work is contracted out, we ensure you, Mr. Chairman. that these qualifications are met.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Other work does not require the same Mr. Oshutapik. Minister Taptuna. stringent requirements. Some of the carpentry repairs, if they’re more Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. cosmetic, do not need to have structural Chairman. Through the Nunavut expertise you would get from a Housing Corporation and the local journeyman carpenter, for example. housing organizations, there is a Thank you. requirement for some of these contractors who are local to have

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, happening, we would like to be notified Mr. Barriault. Do you have any about that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. additional questions? Mr. Oshutapik. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank Minister Taptuna. Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Chairman. This will be my last Oshutapik. Mr. Elliott. question because my colleagues would like to have the opportunity to ask Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. questions. When you’re limited for time, My questions are in regard to the it’s not too much fun to ask questions. minister’s opening comments on page 2 Thank you. regarding the Nunavut Housing Trust and CMHC Affordable Housing As we are all aware, the communities Initiative. outside of Iqaluit are smaller. When a community has a small population, the It’s nice to know that we have almost all criteria that you just mentioned are not of the houses complete to date, but I being followed. I am not usually one to think there are a few unanswered speak hearsay, but I would like to speak questions I was hoping to get today since about what I have seen in regard to we are going to continue on with… . It’s plumbing, electrical, and boilers. This nice to see one of the priorities I know occurred, but not recently, in a smaller that the Premier had in her letter to our community. Member of Parliament when she was re- elected was the need for more public When it comes to oil burner workers, housing. We’re now looking at, on J-5, there are some individuals who have $8 million towards public housing. never gone to oil burner training courses. This individual was asked to work on a Through the whole Nunavut Housing furnace. That’s what the public notices. Trust, in terms of what we were told and That’s why I have asked those questions. from our questions that we had asked, Who ensures that the contractors have we were informed that the Government the qualifications? That’s why I had of Nunavut, through the Nunavut asked that question. I will leave it at that. Housing Corporation, was going to Thank you, Mr. Chairman. move from stick-built construction to SIP houses. That’s why there was a huge Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, investment for telehandlers and we were Mr. Oshutapik. I didn’t hear a question, led to believe that this was going to be a but I will give you an opportunity to cost-saving measure. speak to it, Minister Taptuna, if you so wish. In terms of the $8 million that we will approving for new housing units across Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. the territory, will that be for stick build Chairman. The Nunavut Housing or would that be used for the new SIP Corporation will make the best efforts to houses that we were supposed to be get qualified companies and individuals following? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. who do this type of work. If we’re given notice that these things may be

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, sizes, and so on, and then from there, the Mr. Elliott. Minister Taptuna. contractor will be responsible for all stages of the construction and the Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. material supply. They will be Chairman. I’ll have Mr. Barriault responsible for material, for labour, and respond to that question. Thank you. will assume all the risk related to that.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. We have had good success in doing that Mr. Barriault. with the 24-plex that was built here in Iqaluit across from the Arctic Ventures Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. store, and as well with the 33-unit Chairman. The SIP, or structural apartment building that has recently insulated panel, construction that was been constructed and turned over in initiated in, I believe, early 2009 was Rankin Inlet. Thank you. intended to provide housing which is much more energy efficient, and it was Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, designed to be built using telehandlers. Mr. Barriault. Do you have any additional questions? Mr. Elliott. From our experience, when you’re shipping Styrofoam panels, you’re Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. paying a lot to ship volume, and that is It’s too bad in terms of the experience an expense that may have not been that the Nunavut Housing Corporation foreseen when that project was devised has that no one actually thought that prior to my start with the housing Styrofoam would have been more corporation. We know, ourselves, if we expensive right from the start in terms of were building again, importing shipping it up with the experience that Styrofoam panels is not a cost-effective the Nunavut Housing Corporation way to business; it’s very expensive for actually has, but I guess it’s good that freight. we have learned from our mistakes.

The telehandlers, meanwhile, are a very In terms of one of the things that we useful tool. If you go to any construction were told as well through the whole worksite anywhere in North America or process, and Mr. Barriault did mention anywhere in the world, you will see the fact that it was rated higher for and them in use. Whether there would be hopefully saving money on higher future SIP panel construction or not, insulation ratings. At one point, I they’re a very valuable tool for local remember one of our discussions that housing organizations or any there was going to be… . You said 2009 construction-based organization. is when we started, so I thought it was a two-year study period that was going to Our intention for the spending of the $8 be done on whether there was a cost million within this budget is to go savings in terms of fuel with the SIP through a design-build process, whereby houses. So I was wondering if we could a contractor will provide the design get an update on that, whether there has based on our performance specifications. been empirical data collected to actually We will specify insulation levels, room

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3052 show that they are saving money on they an asset of the Nunavut housing heating fuel. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. associations? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Elliott. Minister Taptuna.

Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll have Mr. Barriault Chairman. The telehandlers are owned respond to that question in detail. Thank by the Nunavut Housing Corporation you, Mr. Chairman. and the local housing organizations do make good use of them. Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Chairman. Mr. Barriault. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Minister Taptuna. Do you have anything Chairman. Although the material was else? Mr. Elliott. ordered in 2009, a lot of the construction only started at that point. Many of the Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. units were not turned over until 2011. As well, one of the things that came up The very last ones are actually being was there was, I think, over 1,000 sea constructed right now in Taloyoak and cans across the territory at a price tag or hopefully will be ready within the next resale value of $3,000, which would be few days. So it is a little early to have $3 million that could be added to much data to be able to compare and possibly new construction. At one point, actually see what the results are. We are we were told that constituents could tracking that information and we will be actually purchase them. Is that still an able to report back at some point, option or what’s actually happening? If hopefully in the near future. Thank you. we could get an update with the sea cans that are across the territory at this time. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Barriault. Mr. Elliott. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Elliott. Minister Taptuna, if you Mr. Barriault mentioned the telehandlers would like to respond. and how useful they are in the different communities. I’m just wondering: do all Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. of the housing associations still own Chairman. Although it’s not within the those telehandlers and they’re actually capital discussions here, I’ll have Mr. the property of the housing associations Barriault respond to that in detail. Thank to use how they see fit? At one point, you, Mr. Chairman. there was talk of them being sold, I think, at a price tag of $100,000. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, $110,000 is what we purchased them for. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Barriault. I’m wondering: are they owned by the Nunavut Housing Corporation or are Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As we have noted earlier, we

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3053 have finished most of the construction Again, it may not seem like a viable under the Nunavut Housing Trust and question, but at the same time, at one Canada’s Economic Action Plan. Since time, when talking to one of the then, we have been taking stock of managers who was doing a rough surplus materials as well as sea cans, and estimate, he felt that with the excess making sure that we get the best possible materials in the community from the use and return on our investment on this projects that we were doing in Arctic product. Bay specifically, there was enough to build another five-plex, which is quite a So our first use for these sea cans is considerable amount of money, which identifying what use the local housing could be used, again, to help. Every organizations may have for them. We dollar counts. So if there was an don’t want them to be derelict in the estimated dollar figure of what’s out communities. At the same time, we do there in terms of stock, it would be nice want to make use, first and foremost, for to know, Mr. Chairman. Thanks. cold storage for our own operations. From there, we’re identifying what we Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, have as surplus for sea cans and we will Mr. Elliott. Minister Taptuna. be making them available for sale to government departments and as well, Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. from there, to the general public. Chairman. At this time, the Nunavut Housing Corporation is working on We do not intend them to be causing a logging the stock that’s out there and at clutter within the communities, so we this time, we do not have clear have to be organized, I guess, in the information on the entire necessary fashion that we do disclose of them. inventory that’s out there to make any Many are very close to being available kind of determination on what the cost for sale now to the public, so you should of the inventory is actually out there. be seeing notices locally in some of your Once we have that, we will surely make communities in the very near future. it available to the committee member. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault. Mr. Elliott. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Elliott.

Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thanks to the minister for the update Again I’m a little surprised that we don’t because I know he had mentioned it in have that dollar figure yet since the his opening comments, opening the door project is actually almost finished, but it for questions on this. At one point, when should be finished. we received an update there, the housing corporation was working on a detailed I guess my last question is around an list or itemized list of what was in the issue that’s come up. With representing communities, which I think would be three communities, it has been coming nice to know, possibly, a dollar figure as up in all three of the communities and it to how much excess stock is in there. is based around some of the new public

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3054 housing units. I know that Mr. Barriault Mr. Curley: Thank you, Iksivautaaq. In was talking about the idea of a 24-unit order to try and move along, I’m going complex. One of the issues we’re finding to speak in English to make my point in the High Arctic is the number of clear and understandable to the minister single individuals who are applying for and his staff. housing. First of all, I just want to make a I think, at the last housing association statement. I would respect your advice. I meeting I went to, there were 50 think it is very helpful to us that we stick individuals who would need one- to the capital. bedroom apartments of sorts, not necessarily two bedrooms, and then the Having said that, the information other side of the coin was the concern provided by the Nunavut Housing that small families were having where Corporation in terms of the estimates, single individuals were being put into a they do provide a departmental mission two-bedroom unit where maybe that’s statement which is really quite clear and not the best allocation of assets. a very short Nunavut Housing Corporation Branch Summary that So is there any thought by the Nunavut supports funding through contributions Housing Corporation to look into single- provided through Canada Mortgage unit… ? I’m not talking about single-unit Housing Corporation and Infrastructure homes, but I’m talking about single- Canada for tenant rentals and other bedroom, maybe apartment is a better income. So having said that, we word for it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. normally had to try and figure out exactly what the policies or whatnot are Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, with respect to rental policy. Mr. Elliott. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Chairman, I have a number of Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. questions and I want to clarify Chairman. The committee member is information from the minister. Last absolutely right. There is a big demand week, he indicated to the committee that for one-bedroom units, what we would the threshold for assessing income is call bachelor apartments. In Nunavut, from 10 percent up to 28 percent. Can there are 663 requests for one-bedroom the minister also provide information on units. For two-bedroom units, there is a exactly what the max rental can be request and demand for 593 units. In assessed to an individual household total, there are 1,417 units requested by member? Thank you. the communities. This, of course, involves family units. At this time, the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, demand for bachelor apartments is still Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. the highest on the request list from each community. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll have Mr. Barriault Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, respond to that question. Thank you. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault. Mr. Barriault. Do you have any more questions? Mr. Curley. Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The maximum rental Mr. Curley: Thank you. I appreciate currently within the public housing rent that. I think we need clear information. scale is somewhere in the order of If there has been a policy change with $1,500 per month, but this does vary by respect to those, then it would be helpful community and by the number of if the members could have that. One bedrooms in the unit. There’s actually a thing that I’m fully not clear is I don’t fairly large table that we refer to that believe a change… . We’re talking about gives a list of these and they’re household income. Am I correct in that? determined based in part to the cost of Thank you. living in the communities. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. Barriault. Mr. Curley. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. The committee member is The reason I asked that question is right; it is based on household income. because it did look attractive when the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. minister stated that it was only up to 28 percent, but what is not clear is: is that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, based on the net income or gross Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley. income? Thank you. Mr. Curley: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, the reason I’m asking the question is we Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. need the rent scale amended so that the household income is done away with and Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. we deal with the leasehold tenant. How Chairman. I’ll have Mr. Barriault is the household income arrived at and respond to that question in detail. Thank who makes that determination? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault. Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna.

Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The percent of income is Chairman. I’ll have Mr. Barriault actually based on an adjusted net income respond to that question in detail. Thank at this point. If I recall correctly, it’s you. based on Line 150 of the tax return. I may not be accurate in that response, but Chairman: Mr. Barriault. it does take into consideration some of the deductions that are allowed through Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. taxation. Thank you. Chairman. Those determinations are

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3056 made through our local housing My next question is there are two items organizations. Usually the tenant there on the list of details of the capital, relations officer who has familiarity with one for the staff housing, which is not the community will get each of our allocated to a community, and the other tenants to fill out annually an update as is the $8 million public housing to who the members of the household allocation on the same page, page J-5, are and anyone over the age of 19 would that is also not clear exactly where be included either as a primary they’re supposed to be. Am I correct in leaseholder or non-primary leaseholder. saying that the details have not been All of those incomes are then totalled provided in terms of where the staff and included in the assessment for rent. housing and public housing in the Thank you. amount of $8 million will be allocated? Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Barriault. Mr. Curley. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley: Thank you. As an example, if an elder is a leaseholder in the Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. community, they could have three or Chairman. The committee member is four young people who are staying with right. We have no determination on the her. Her lease could be maxed up to 28 details of that yet, but as I indicated percent. Is it the responsibility of the earlier, we are working on that with leaseholder or tenant, in that case, an other departments of the government to, elder, for collecting that rent from again, maximize the best value for the members of the household? Thank you. small amount. Even for staff housing, there’s a need for 907 units. Of course, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. for public units, it’s 3,580. So it does Minister Taptuna. make a small impact on these numbers, but we’re trying to find the best value for Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. these amounts. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the question, Chairman. even though it’s not on the capital list here, but yes to that question. Thank Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, you, Mr. Chairman. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley. I am curious. I think many of us are because the government has made it a Mr. Curley: Thank you. I think, in my policy that transparency is most preamble, I did indicate that the branch important within the life of this summary statement does include tenant Assembly, but it doesn’t appear to be a rentals and other income. So based on priority that we provide details. When that, I felt it was my privilege to ask that you’re asking the committee members to question. vote and approve amounts in the amount of $13 million that don’t have any details as to where they’re supposed to

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3057 be, it really suggests to, I think, many of documents. One question that I have us that it will be the discretion of the further is: exactly what is the square- minister to allocate them wherever he footage cost of building a single unit for may want them in the 2013 election staff housing? Thank you. year. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, So, Mr. Chairman, I believe the minister Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. has an obligation to provide that detail to the committee. One would be to say, at Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. least in part if he could, exactly how Chairman. Again, some of these things many units of the staff housing will be depend on the number of bedrooms. For accomplished or perhaps tendered for a five-plex, I believe it’s 350,000. That’s the construction for these units for $5 the estimate that we have been using for million for staff housing. Thank you. the construction of a five-plex. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In some cases, we have Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. difficulty in the amount of staff we have Is that kind of cost ratio also the same within the corporation, and we do have for the public housing units? Thank you. to work with other governmental departments, including the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. municipalities. In some certain cases, the Minister Taptuna. timing just doesn’t fit right, although I’m asking for this budget to be passed so it Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. would carry on with construction and it Chairman. Yes. Thank you. would start the process of putting out public tenders, and whatnot. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Curley. Mr. Chairman, again, we have taken some recommendations of the committee Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. and that’s exactly what we have been If you do your math basically for the $5 doing. We are looking at other options, million, you’re talking about 14 units for alternative options of either purchasing staff housing for $5 million and probably or renovating existing units that are out slightly more for public housing units, there to maximize the use of these public and I would say about 16 or 18 units for funds. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. public housing, but there are no details. Where are they going to be allocated? Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Thank you. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley: Thank you. I appreciate the Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. minister’s attempt to explain the details that are missing in the budget

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Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. possible purchase of existing buildings Chairman. Committee members, write or renovations of existing buildings, down the staff housing units, it’s about again, to maximize the small budget. 14 units, and for public units, it’s about Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 22. As I indicated, we have made no determination of the location or the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, communities that they’re going into and Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley. this is partly due to a number of different things; the availability of lots. One of the Mr. Curley: Thank you. Mr. Chairman, housing corporation’s immediate I understand what the minister wants, priorities is to identify lots within the but we also have an obligation to make communities. Of course, we work with sure the public funds, the taxpayers’ the Department of Human Resources to funds that are spent are allocated prior to make certain that we’re allocating the having the budget and details approved. units with the best possible needs according to the data that we have in We have examples last week where the front of us. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. public was made to believe that for the local project here, which is really quite Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, important in many respects here, the Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley. Department of Justice proposed to the public that we need to build a temporary Mr. Curley: Thank you, Iksivautaaq. facility here in Iqaluit to house the Mr. Chairman, it is a concern to… . Can people who are being incarcerated. That the minister at least explain to the was misleading; the newspaper indicated committee what role will the MLAs have that the temporary facility would cost in having some input into where these $8.5 million. It is not a temporary units should be built, particularly the facility. Even budget documents that public housing as well as staff housing? were submitted indicated for a Will you be asking the members or is the temporary facility. The fact is this is not vote to approve it enough to proceed a temporary facility, as it should be, and with building these units? Thank you. we need proper information.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, When will the proper detailed budget be Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. submitted, if not submitted already to the board of directors or to the minister? Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Who makes the determination exactly Chairman. We do go through a process where the details of the at least $15 and we have taken the recommendations million public funds will be spent? of the committee to, again, maximize the Thank you. best value. I’m asking you for this amount in the budget to be passed Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, because it’s going to be very difficult to Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. satisfy everybody. There are going to be only two or three communities that do Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. get these five-plexes that we’re hoping Chairman. Again, we had made no to get out there, including some other determination on where the units were

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3059 going to be constructed. As the We need the minister, I think, at least a committee member requested, I will be couple days, it shouldn’t be too long, if consulting with the committee members he’s going to have an information on our final decision on where the units meeting tomorrow, to provide more are going to be constructed. As a details on the first part of the item. I government, we do have an obligation to believe you indicated you will be dealing maximize the best possible value for with the staff housing allocation and public funds and we intend to do that. consideration for staff housing units to Thank you, Mr. Chairman. be built. Assuming that they won’t be in Pond Inlet, it shouldn’t be too difficult. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, There are houses that are not being used Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley. up there and have not been for years. So can the minister indicate to us whether Mr. Curley: Mr. Chairman, I don’t or not to defer this item would be helpful disagree with him at all on that. until you provide the details? Thank you. Everybody will applaud him for that. In order prove that you are serious, you Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, need to provide details. Without details, Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. you’re leaving a bit of a question mark whether or not you are being sincere Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. with all the MLAs when the details are Chairman. As I have indicated earlier, I not presented. am hoping that this budget can be passed so we could get down to work on The public expects us to be transparent determining, with the consultation of the and the government has made it a policy committee members, to start the public that this government will be the most tendering process. We do use the needs transparent government for the assessment and there’s a process that we Nunavutmiut. To ask the committee are going to continue to use. members to approve $15 million worth of public money without details, that’s In some communities, as the committee the first time I have ever heard of a member indicated, there are some staff department or agency presenting units that haven’t been used. So some of something without details. We need these communities are automatically in a those units, but we need them in a place position where they won’t be considered where they’re needed. because there is staff housing in some of these communities. Throughout During the last spring session, I believe Nunavut, there is still a need for 907 we were told that there was at least a units, and for public housing, there’s a five-plex that had been misplaced in the need for 3,600 units. It’s very difficult to Kitikmeot and details have not been get to a point where these are going to be provided yet exactly what has been done addressed. with it. There was some indication from the member from the local community Mr. Chairman, I’m hoping that this that materials were being damaged and budget can be passed because it’s all that kind of stuff. probably going to be transparent. That is a set budget. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, how many more staff housing we need Minister Taptuna. You have run out of in Nunavut. time, Mr. Curley. I still have two other names on my list. Once they’re done, So when we talk about, “Well, there’s no you may ask more questions. Mr. overcrowding,” maybe, but there are Ningark. teaching staff that share the same home. It could also mean two families sharing Mr. Ningark: Thank you, Mr. the same home. So that indicates to me Chairman. Earlier, my friend and that yes, we need more staff housing. colleague from Taloyoak spoke about overcrowding in staff housing, and other Earlier, I think my colleague from hon. members talked about houses being Rankin Inlet, Mr. Curley, and Mr. not utilized, they’re heated, the lights are Taptuna shared an idea about what is $5 on. In my community of Kugaaruk, million. Maybe we can build 13 staff every house that is built, inspected, and houses or 18 public units. Where does released according to standards is this real value come in this amount of $5 utilized. million? Well, I think, from my own perspective, that if you’re going to build When Jeannie Ugyuk talks about homeownership with the amount of $5 overcrowding, it doesn’t necessarily million, you can build 35. So that’s just mean that every bedroom is full. I’m an idea I put in there. Thank you, Mr. talking about a single house. It could Chairman. also mean that that house is shared by two teaching staff equivalent to two Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, families. That’s how the shortage of Mr. Ningark. I didn’t hear a question. housing is interpreted in our community Thank you. Mr. Enook. in the Kitikmeot region. Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, When I was coming here, I passed Mr. Chairman. I thank you for through Repulse Bay and I talked to the recognizing me again, Mr. Chairman. I school principal. He indicated to me on a just want to ask another question about one-on-one meeting that we had, a very the same thing that I asked because I short, brief meeting, that Repulse Bay want to find out where I’m going to be does need two apartments. I think the at. I’ll ask the question again and I will apartments are very popular because our get clearer. teaching staff, in some cases, has to resort to sharing one single home, two Like I stated earlier, we want you guys families. to build houses in Nunavut. It states that we all have to in the news and whatever. That, Mr. Chairman, brings to mind, It states that we need housing in makes you wonder, and I think it’s Nunavut. I think about a year and half noteworthy: what is the student-teacher ago, I hadn’t had a home. I didn’t have a ratio in Nunavut? We should get to the real house because we have lack of bottom and find out how many more housing in Pond Inlet. It’s sort of a teaching staff we need in Nunavut and different community we want the housing corporation to build houses.

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However, I believe what Mr. Curley Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, said. The government has to be Minister Taptuna. Mr. Enook. transparent. We can vote to approve the money if we are clear in where it’s Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, going, but if we approve funding without Mr. Chairman. I want to vote on this knowing where the houses are going to budget being happy and being satisfied, be, then I can’t approve it. I’ll be in and not wondering if I made a mistake or support if I know what’s happening. not because it might change. So I’m not sure exactly how I’m going to vote My question is, Mr. Chairman, if you because I don’t know where those will allow me, I think the minister stated houses are going to be built. earlier… . First of all, when will you find out or when will the minister know My reason is that the community’s where the staff houses are going to be services are already expensive. If you located in which communities? Thank bring a ship to Rankin Inlet, it would you, Mr. Chairman. cost differently than to ship to Pond Inlet or Sanikiluaq. I’m just using that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, example. That $5 million does not state. Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. I think we are talking about 13 units to be built with the $5 million. How can Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. they be 13 if you put them to the High Chairman. We don’t have the Arctic? Will there still be 13 units built determination yet of where the units are with $5 million or if they are going to going to be going, but we’re hoping that Sanikiluaq, will it be cheaper to ship for public units, it will be within two them there and will there still be 13 weeks and possibly even earlier for staff units? Those are the types of questions housing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. that I have. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Mr. Enook. Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna.

Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. I kind of understood that Chairman. That’s a determination we you are going to have a meeting still have yet to make. The requirement concerning the staff housing units is 907 units and we’re not even getting tomorrow. Was that my understanding? close to impacting that. For public units, Thank you. of course, they’re 3,580 units that are required for Nunavut. Again, I’ve got to Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, state that the budget is set at these Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. amounts. At this time, we’re trying to maximize the best possible use out of Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. that and as I indicated, I have taken the Chairman. There is going to be a deputy recommendation of the committee to try ministers’ meeting on this and hopefully and do that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. it will be conducted tomorrow or the next day. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Enook.

Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the minister for Mr. Chairman. Perhaps this will be my that response. I’m totally confused with last question and, if I get a good the dollar figures because I’m not really response, I will not ask again. What good with numbers. I don’t want to be would happen… ? Is it a problem that stuck in that $5 million, but I just want we have another week before the end of to get more information. That $5 million the session? Just to make me happy and would be used for building 13 units. to make the ordinary members happy, That’s my understanding. Do I can I ask the minister and his officials to understand now that the $5 million will defer and then give us another detailed be able to build 13 units? It doesn’t set of capital? Thank you, Mr. matter where or which community, the Chairman. price won’t change. There will always be 13 units for $5 million. It doesn’t Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, matter whether it’s in the High Arctic or Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. some other community. You will be building 13 units. You’re not worried Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. about where you are going to build the Chairman. As the minister responsible units and it’s not going to cost more for the housing corporation, we do have based on how far the community is. Is to make some of these hard decisions that my understanding? Thank you, Mr. and we have tried our best to maximize Chairman. the funding that we’re allotted for public units and staff housing. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Enook. Minister Taptuna. Mr. Chairman, I’m hoping that we can get this budget approved so that we can Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. carry on in determining and discussing Chairman. The committee member is with our departmental partners on where absolutely right. There are different costs the best value is going to be at. As I to every community when you compare indicated, there are possibly only two the freight costs, but we’re hoping to five-plexes for staff housing and build 14 staff units and approximately 22 possibly plus a three-plex for public units for public housing. Depending on housing. One of these things that made the outcome of the things we’re trying to this come about is that we’re taking the do, as I indicated earlier, we’re looking recommendations of the committee from at alternative ways to do some of the the past, where we’re hoping and again things. We’re looking at buying existing I’ve got to state that we’re absolutely units that are available out there or doing hoping that it would maximize the renovations to some of the existing units amounts that were allotted to us. It that may become available. No, there is clearly indicates that it’s $5 million for no determination yet of where the units staff housing and $8 million for public are going to be going. Thank you, Mr. units. Chairman.

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Mr. Chairman, there are units out there However, I know that we will have to that have been foreclosed and we’re vote on this page. If we had the looking into that. Again, that’s a way to opportunity to deliberate this further and maximize the public money that we’re since we don’t have to go through this hoping to benefit much needed housing exercise again, maybe we will just use for our people in Nunavut. We will this as an exercise model. Some of us never get to that point where we will regular members want to know the supply all the units. It has become one of backup information. We’re not just those things where there have been the going to approve just because there are CEAP and Nunavut Housing Trust that figures in a book. We have been told that have completed some of these units, we have to be well-informed in order to 1,011, I believe, or 1,111, approximately properly represent our constituents, and that number. It cost the government over that’s my bottom line. Thank you, Mr. $23 million just for the O&M part and to Chairman. keep the units warm. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, So it does impact our government units Mr. Enook. I don’t hear a question, but I and we’re trying to find ways where the will give you the opportunity to respond, government budgets and we’re trying to Minister Taptuna. find ways to minimize the cost of getting much needed units for Nunavummiut, Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. including government employees. Thank Chairman. I thank you for that you, Mr. Chairman. opportunity. Mr. Chairman, I understand where the committee member is coming Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, from. Absolutely, it’s one of those Minister Taptuna. Mr. Enook. determinations that the housing corporation has been trying to come up Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, with because it has been difficult at Mr. Chairman. The minister keeps times to make these determinations at a referring to prudently use the moment’s notice. It takes a lot of time to government monies and to obtain some look at all the issues that are in front of funds. When you’re from a smaller us, that being land, locations, positions community, it’s very obvious that there of the government, employees, and are houses very much needed. I seem to whatnot. be hearing that if we don’t get this money approved, then there’s going to One of the things that have become a be no housing built. I am very much for problem for the housing corporation too building houses, but we do have to know is the cost of lots that are out there. So how those monies are going to be used. we have to make that determination on We would like the information and the what’s available within the documentation because I’m going to municipalities for lots. As every have to vote for or against this amount. I committee member knows, lots vary, have to be an informed voter, and I’m all costs vary from community to for building houses of any kind. There’s community, and that’s one of the things nobody here who doesn’t want to see that we’re taking into consideration any more houses built. when we try and figure out ways to

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3064 allocate the small amount of units that detailing the cost estimates. Like my are allotted to us. Thank you, Mr. colleague indicated, it costs more to ship Chairman. to the High Arctic in some places. No doubt about it, the minister is well aware Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, of that. We don’t question him on those Minister Taptuna. I have no more names abilities to do that. on my list. Mr. Curley. For the minister to challenge his own Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. policy that says that we’re going to be We fully support the minister’s objective transparent, it means we’re going to be to build staff housing, but even during honest with the public and we’re going the standing committee meetings, we to be open with the public, now he wants urged the minister, where possible, in us to vote for the $15 million for two terms of the staff housing, to use a mode items, but he cannot tell us where they’re of private housing. There are companies going to be allocated and how much that can practically build all the staff they’re actually going to cost. We’re housing for Nunavut’s public service going back; we’re not moving forward. staff housing needs. It can be done. If they are tendered, if they are budgeted, I can understand the minister saying to and if they’re allocated, they should be. the committee, “Trust me. We will get it done.” The minister has at least ten Mr. Chairman, it’s unfortunate that months to begin the construction of these we’re going through this kind of units. He’s not running out of time. So exchange. I think the minister should at how can the minister assure us and help least acknowledge that we’re trying to be us that the details of the budget will be helpful. We have gone through a very presented to the committee so that we difficult, questionable Nunavut Housing understand fully where they are being Corporation budgeting process. All the allocated and when can he present those ministers have indicated that there was a requirements so that the public is fiasco, there was a terrible… . Public transparently aware of the details the housing funds were not properly minister had said he would do when this budgeted and they caused a lot of grief term of the office began? Thank you. for Nunavutmiut and, to say the least, embarrassment for the public, including Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, the Auditor General, including the Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. assessments in terms of the audits that were conducted all indicated that there Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. were seriously fraud budget estimates Chairman. Of course, one of the things that were applied and used by the that come to light is that it has been very managers. difficult to identify the locations that we are hoping to build, construct in, both for Now, you’re telling us to “Just trust me. staff housing and public units. Again, We will get it done properly.” And we’re I’m not questioning committee’s asking that the government do its part in recommendations that were made to me, accounting and be properly accountable to find the best possible value for the with the public funds by at least amount of budgeting we’re getting for

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3065 building staff housing and public units. I have that information tabled in the had intended to do that, to find House? Thank you. alternative ways, and this is the first time this is being done, to maximize the best Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, use of public funds. Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna.

We’re looking at other ways. I indicated Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. that we’re looking at foreclosures that Chairman. I’ll have Mr. Barriault are out there, which nobody had respond to that question in detail. Thank purchased and there’s no intention from you, Mr. Chairman. anybody to purchase these units. We want to take a good, hard look at them Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. and also other existing units that are out Mr. Barriault. there that have been built and not used. We are looking at these. In fact, there Mr. Barriault: Thank you, Mr. may be something out there where we Chairman. That information is on the can actually purchase units for a small 907 units that are short and that would amount of money. I’m not going to say be units required to meet vacant GN exactly how much, but that’s our staff housing positions. So the Nunavut intention to maximize the budget that we Housing Corporation works very closely are allotted for the housing corporation. with the GN Department of Human Resources to identify what all the staff One of the comments made earlier housing needs are within all of before about a missing five-plex, there’s Nunavut’s communities. GNHR tracks no such thing as a missing five-plex. vacancies and competitions that are active and works closely with the Working with our regional districts of Nunavut Housing Corporation to the three other regions, it has been a identify which ones are getting close to challenge to coordinate and do so many completion so that we can properly things, especially when it comes to allocate and make use of the vacant staff supply and construction, and we intend housing that we do have. to do that. I know that this may be one of the first times it has been happening with As well, we work with GN Human the housing corporation, to find Resources to identify where the main alternative ways to maximize the value pressures and priorities are of all the of the taxpayers’ money. Thank you, Mr. government departments. Staff housing Chairman. is primarily a recruitment and retention tool of the Government of Nunavut. As Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, such, although we are the primary Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley. property managing agent for the Government of Nunavut, we want to Mr. Curley: Thank you. The minister ensure that the needs are confirmed indicated earlier that there are roughly through Human Resources, which is the 900 units needed for staff housing. primary recruiting agent of Nunavut. All Where did that information come from? government departments provide How was it conducted? Is it possible to information to them, to HR, that is, in

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3066 terms of what their needs are and in are within the public service vacancy terms of their vacancies. That is tracked positions, are we assuming that all of through GNHR. We prepare these these 900 staff positions are going to be reports in terms of shortages and imported? Thank you. pressures on staff housing in consultation with Human Resources. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. There are four allocation committees, one within each region and one for Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Iqaluit as well, that are represented by a Chairman. We don’t expect that, and no, number of government departments, not all positions are going to be including HR, and that is where we imported. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. derive our information. So the 907 units that would be required to fill all vacant Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. GN positions are a combination of the Mr. Curley. data that the housing corporation maintains for staff housing and the data Mr. Curley: Thank you. Further to that, that’s maintained by Human Resources. Mr. Chairman, how will we determine that the staff housing is needed? Not Part of our intention within these having that information begs the budgets, as Minister Taptuna stated, is to question for me. If the individuals that maximize our use of funding and we are will be considered are locally based and aware that there are opportunities to they do have a staff housing unit, how acquire units at a much lower cost than if do we know that they’re actually going we were constructing them ourselves. to require staff housing units? Thank We have an expression of interest that you. should actually be in the newspapers as early as Wednesday of this week to try Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, to identify properties available for Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. purchase and for lease in all Nunavut communities. Based on that information, Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. it gives us an opportunity to try to Chairman. Again, these determinations maximize the limited dollars that are are in conjunction and working with the available within the GN budget. Thank HR department to determine which you. positions come with staff housing. As the president has indicated, the need for Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, 907 units is based on the current Mr. Barriault. Do you have any more information that we have with HR and questions? Mr. Curley. the positions that are out there.

Mr. Curley: Thank you. Fascinating, Mr. Chairman, even with some of these interesting information. Assuming that I positions, it doesn’t necessarily mean understand it correctly, these 900 extra that locals who are getting these units that the minister and his team have positions will have to stay in public units gathered from the various departments, if staff housing is available for some of and so on, and probably some of them

Monday, October 29, 2012 Nunavut Hansard 3067 these positions that are advertised out purchasing some existing buildings that there. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. are quite a bit under the cost of construction. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. We’re on page J-3. Capital. Mr. Curley. When I say, “quite a bit,” I’m not set at this point to start giving out some of Mr. Curley: Yes, Mr. Chairman, my these costs associated with the existing next question has to do with… . I buildings that we’re looking at, but once understand the housing corporation and that determination is made, there will be the minister have already indicated that a clear picture of what the Nunavut they will use the mode of supply, ship, Housing Corporation is trying to do and build. That means the cost factor because this is the first time we’re trying that will be established, depending on to go this route. I have taken the where they are tendered, if they are recommendation from the committee to allocated by then, will differ from find an alternative way and that’s one of southern parts of the Nunavut territory the things that we’re doing at this time and those in the High Arctic portion or with the housing corporation. Thank the Kitikmeot region will cost you, Mr. Chairman. significantly higher than some. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, How do we know the exact amount of Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley. housing requirement? We don’t know how many you’re going to be asking for Mr. Curley: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. in the final figure, even for the public I think the best advice this committee staff housing. How will it be determined has been asking the minister to do is to that the amount that you’re proposing to come up with the details of exactly us is sufficient in view of the fact that where, number one, you need these staff the cost ratio will be significantly housing units and public housing units. different from region to region and north Once you have made that determination, to south? Thank you. it’s a lot easier to determine and work out the details as to costs. Right now, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, you’re asking us to just give you a Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. certain amount and not having the details. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Very good question and I The costs, obviously, are not going to go thank the committee member for that. down. Compared to a ratio that we have The costs are always different, but the been used, they may be completely out budget we’re talking about is a set of details. So which is going to come amount of $5 million for staff housing first? The costs, once they’re figured out, and $8 million for public units. The will determine how many units are going number will be determined. Again, we to be built. You’re not going to have indicated that we’re looking at determine how many units you’re alternatives, ways of maximizing that proposing in each location where you’re amount, and we do have information and going to chose and, if so, who’s going to the process started on actually make that determination? Thank you.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, involves a lot of communities to consult Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. and have some of these discussions on especially lots. We could make that Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. determination by December. Thank you, Chairman. Again, as I indicated, the Mr. Chairman. Nunavut Housing Corporation hasn’t made that determination, but we’re Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, looking for alternative ways to maximize Minister Taptuna. Using my discretion the allotted budget. We do need 3,580 as the Chair, pursuant to Rule 6(1), I will public units and this amount is not now recognize the clock and report anywhere impacting the needs of progress. Nunavummiut, including the needs for our GN employees for staff housing. Minister Taptuna, I thank you for appearing before us, as well as your One of those things that, again, are being officials. You’re probably aware that tried for the first time through the we’re not done and that we will ask you Nunavut Housing Corporation is to look to come back to the next committee at other alternative ways. As I indicated, meeting. Minister Taptuna, President we have identified some cost savings Barriault, and Ms. Kimball, I thank you and this, in a sense, is to maximize, for being here. Sergeant-at-Arms, please again, the much needed public units and escort the witnesses out. staff housing. Mr. Chairman, at this time, we don’t have the determination of Speaker: Qujannamiik, Sergeant-at- where the locations are going to be at. Arms. Moving on in our orders of the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. day. Item 20. Report of the Committee of the Whole. Mr. Tapardjuk. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Mr. Curley, you have Item 20: Report of the Committee of less than two minutes. the Whole

Mr. Curley: Thank you, Iksivautaaq. I Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank understand that. I believe what you’re you, Mr. Speaker. Your committee has looking for is a mix of housing modes, been considering Bill 41 and the capital whether it be private, public, or estimates, and would like to report modernizing some of the units that are progress. Also, Mr. Speaker, I move that maybe befit to rebuild, but it would be the Report of the Committee of the useful to have that information. How and Whole be concurred with. Thank you, when is that going to be made? Thank Mr. Speaker. you. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. (interpretation ends) Mr. Curley. Minister Taptuna. There is a motion on the floor. Is there a seconder? Thank you very much, Mr. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Ningark. The motion is in order. All Chairman. It does involve a lot of work, those in favour. Any opposed? The it does involve a lot of research, and it motion is carried.

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Item 21. Third Reading of Bills. Item 22. 19. Consideration in Committee of Orders of the Day. Mr. Clerk. the Whole of Bills and Other

Item 22: Orders of the Day Matters

Clerk (Mr. Quirke): Thank you, Mr.  Bill 41 Speaker. A reminder of the meeting  Bill 42 tomorrow morning at nine o’clock in the Tuktu Boardroom with the Standing  Bill 43 Committee on Legislation. 20. Report of the Committee of the

Orders of the Day for October 30: Whole 21. Third Reading of Bills 1. Prayer 22. Orders of the Day 2. Ministers’ Statements Thank you. 3. Members’ Statements 4. Returns to Oral Questions Speaker: Thank you very much, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until 5. Recognition of Visitors in the Tuesday, October 30, at 1:30 p.m. Gallery Sergeant-at-Arms. 6. Oral Questions 7. Written Questions >>House adjourned at 18:04 8. Returns to Written Questions 9. Replies to Opening Address 10. Petitions 11. Responses to Petitions 12. Reports of Standing and Special Committees on Bills and Other Matters 13. Tabling of Documents 14. Notices of Motions 15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills 16. Motions 17. First Reading of Bills 18. Second Reading of Bills