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The Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project The Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project AMBASSADOR E. GREGORY KRYZA Interviewed by: Charles Stuart Kennedy Initial interview date: June 14, 1988 Copyright 1998 A ST TABLE OF CONTENTS Background Junior Naval Officer aval Attach"#s Office, Tangier Morocco Supreme Allied Command Atlantic Vice Consul, Curacao, Dutch (est Indies (riston Program McCarthy era Bureau of Near East and South Asian Affairs 1,5,.1,60 O1taining reim1ursements from other foreign affairs agencies 2eallocating money to State Department Administrative Officer, Nairo1i, 3enya 1,60.1,67 Independence and power struggle 6SS Manley and the evacuation of 6.S. citi8ens from 9an8i1ar Am1assador Atwood and country team meetings airo1i as the regional center 2ole of 6SAID in 3enya Operation Dragon 2ouge, to rescue American hostages in Belgian Congo Dealing with 3enyan government officials 3enya during transitional period 3inshasa, Congo :9aire) 1,68.1,70 Com1ined Administrative Management Office American staff 6.S. relations with Congo :9aire) Living Conditions Inspector Executive Director of African Affairs 1,74.1,77 Department of State hierarchy Duties of Executive Director 1 2eplacement of Am1assador Jean (ilkowski 6.S. policy in Africa Advantages of an African post Am1assador to Mauritania 1,77.1,80 Mauritania#s fisheries Mauritania#s demography Political situation Ousting Makhtar Ould Daddah, founding father and the em1assy#s reaction Bilingual governmentA French and Ara1ic Other foreign influences in MauritaniaA France, Morocco, Soviet 6nion, China Desertification Support from African Bureau Conclusion Breatest satisfaction Foreign Service as a career INTERVIEW ": Today is June 14, 1988. This is an interview with Ambassador E. Gregory Kryza concerning his career as a Senior Officer. This interview is being done on behalf of the Foreign Affairs Oral History Program of the Association for Diplomatic Studies. My name is Charles Stuart Kennedy. .r. Ambassador, how did you become interested in foreign affairs/ 32C9AA First, I am delighted to be here. How did I 1ecome interested in foreign affairsD Pro1a1ly in a most indirect way. IEm going to focus on my entry into the Foreign Service. ": Absolutely. 32C9AA In 1,47 I was a Junior Naval Officer on board the 6SS Shenandoah, which carried the flag for what is now the Fifth Fleet. And we paid a call on Athens, Breece. The Em1assy which was just re1uilding after the war put on a reception for us. I was very impressed by one, I guess in those days a rather junior officer whose name is Tony 2oss, Am1assador Claude 2oss. IEm sure he doesnEt remem1er this. But I had, I thought, a rather lengthy and interesting conversation with him a1out .. ": 0y the way, we1ve done an interview 22 I didn1t do it, but an interview is going to be done with Claude Ross. 2 32C9AA So much so that later on in that year our ship moved on. The war was over and I had no commitment to remain in the Navy .. I was a reserve officer. I had an opportunity to take a jo1 in the Naval Attach"Es Office in Tangier, Morocco, as a civil servant. (hich I did. The ship happened to be in Bi1raltar when I was, so.called, mustered out. I took the ferry boat across the Straights of Bi1raltar and there I was assigned to the Office of the 6.S. Naval Attach" in Tangier, Morocco. Of course, there I had the opportunity to o1serve some real, real stars in action. People like the late Am1assador Bud Sherer, Curt Strong and various other Officers, most of whom fared very well in their Foreign Service careers. I remained there for two and a half years. It was there that I met my bride, a beautiful French lady who was a professeur an lycee in 2a1at. (e met in a very unusual way as well. I had been a naval aviator and for some reason or other she was involved in some aero clu1 in 2a1at. And a friend of hers introduced her to me, and her first Fuestion was would you like to buy a ticket to a charity, whatever it was, function to support this aero clu1D Later on she was transferred from the girls lycee in 2a1at to the girls lycee in Tangier, which put her a lot closer to me. One thing led to another and two years later we were married. 6nfortunately, she died after 00 years of marriage, a1out six years ago. ": I1m very sorry. 4ere people sort of trying to recruit you into the Foreign Service at that time when you were in Tangier/ Or had you just got the idea you1d do it yourself/ 32C9AA I donEt think there was any active recruiting. But I must say I was terri1ly impressed with what they were doing and how they did it. I felt that that was going to be my way of life if I could manage it. ": ,ow did you then get into the Foreign Service/ 32C9AA As a result of our marriage. Those days the Office of Naval Intelligence was extremely strictG if you married someone who was a foreigner, num1er one, you had to resign on paper at least until your prospective spouse was checked out. And you had to be transferred. I was given the choice of going to Australia ..and I didnEt want to take my new bride that far away from her home and culture. The other alternative was the Dominican 2epu1lic, which we opted for. (hile in the Dominican 2epu1lic I believe I took the Foreign Service exam. I scored what I would consider to be a near miss. I was then called back..this was during the time of the 3orean (ar..I was called back on active duty. They put me through a six month sort of junior war college, the post.graduate school for naval intelligence here at Anacostia, which is now the DIA Intelligence School. DIA standing for Defense Intelligence Agencies. I was not a1le to take the exam that year 1ecause I didnEt have the time. ": As I recall, in fact, I 6now. Because I too6 the e7am during the Korean 4ar in 1983 and it was a three and a half day e7am. 3 32C9AA ThatEs right. It was a three and a half day exam. And also there was an upward limit. I donEt think you could be, I think if you were 00 years of age or older. ": I thin6 there was something li6e that, yes. 32C9AA So my assignment in the Navy after completion of the post.graduate naval intelligence course was to the Supreme Allied Command Atlantic. Now, if you served in the Navy, I was what is called in naval parlance a plank owner which means I was one of the original officers to go on board. In fact, I was the first 6.S. citi8en Naval Intelligence Officer to come on board. In fact, (inston Churchill had not yet given his final nihil o1stat or imprimatur to the location of the Supreme Allied Command Atlantic. I believe he wanted to have it on the other side of the ocean. But in any event we wound up in orfolk, Virginia. And once again I was frustrated. I was una1le to take the exam because I was in the midst of learning a new jo1 and we were doing all sorts of war games during the time of the..turn that offD :1reak in tape) ..of the strangest people. ": O6ay. 32C9AA (here were weD Oh, I couldnEt take the exam. ": :ou couldn1t ta6e the e7am. 32C9AA I was frustrated again. But I did want to get in. And I applied for a staff position, FSS. ": This is Foreign Service Staff Officer/ 32C9AA Foreign Service Staff. This is before the days of..IEm sure the structure has changed many times since then. This was the end of 1,52. I was then 00 years old. The only jo1s that were availa1le, and I did have some 1ackground in it, was in the field of accounting. So I was named Dis1ursing Officer in Curacao in the Dutch (est Indies. But that was a marvelous first tour of duty for someone who was not an FSO. Because it was a very small post, a relatively senior Consul Beneral who had jurisdiction over the small consulate in Aru1a as well as the post in Paramari1o in Suriname, Paramari1o. There were two Vice Consuls in addition to the Consul Beneral and a secretary. And as a conseFuence I literally was a1le to sweep out the bank. I did everything. Every1ody did everything. And since I was fairly am1itious, within a matter of weeks they sprinkled some holy water on me and made me a Vice Consul. I 1ecame immersed in everything except immigrant visa work. I was the Security Officer for the Post and I did some low level economic, very low level political reporting as well. And really enjoyed it. Two years later it was almost a come down, because I had been used to doing so many things .. the accounting work was something I did in my spare time, perhaps one.tenth or 4 less of my total work week .. and it was almost a come down to 1e transferred to Brussels, Belgium as the 6.S. Dis1ursing Officer at the Em1assy. But once again I was extremely lucky. They were shorthanded and instead of being the Dis1ursing Officer I suddenly 1ecame the Budget and Fiscal Officer which is one step higher in the hierarchy. And lo and behold, suddenly..oh, then IEm not sure whether I came in via the (riston or whether it was another form of lateral entry.
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