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THE SENATE OF PAKISTAN DEBATES
OFFICIAL REPORT
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 (88 th Session) Volume XII, No.05 (Nos.1- )
CONTENTS
Pages 1. Recitation from the Holy Quran...………....……. 1 2. Question Hour…. ……………………………….. 2 3. Leave of Absence...... 4. Presentation of Reports: • The Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan Act, 2012...... • Third Bimonthly Report of the Senate Defence and Defence Production Committee...... 5. Calling Attention: • Devising a Formula for CNG...... 6. Point of order: • Attack on the Team Administering Anti-Polio Drops...... • Personal Explanation of Mr. Ishaq Dar on Income Tax......
Printed and Published by the Senate Secretariat, Islamabad.
Volume XII SP. XII(05)/2012 No.03 15 SENATE OF PAKISTAN SENATE DEBATES Wednesday, December 19, 2012
The Senate of Pakistan met in the Senate Hall (Parliament House) Islamabad, at fifty
three minutes past four in the evening with Mr. Chairman (Syed Nayyer Hussain Bokhari) in the
Chair.
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1 Questions and Answers
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Senator Haseeb Khan Sahib.
Q. No. 14
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Senator Saleem Mandviwalla (Minister of State for Finance): Mr. Chairman, the question
asked by honourable Senator is very relevant but the problem is that we donãt have exact figures
of how many tax returns have actually been filed. We have been given in the figures of 811000
which have been filed this year
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we have issued notices to the people who have not filed the tax returns and as far as the
amnesty scheme is concerned we have placed a Bill in the Parliament and it is yet to be
approved, if it is approved, then the amnesty scheme will be in place otherwise there will be no
amnesty scheme. If there is any further question, he can put up the question and we will give
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Senator Abdul Haseeb Khan: contdÉ. ? Z ? v Z Z Z š kn kn C ? klj ¾ @ ±w@ DNci `D;W D`Fa`F=V • DD`aIDdg m DN z I; W NTM issue DA=^ DD: •to ensure Ddg m DN”X steps DFgwW DNz DRAY ±T DDADN z z ADdm i g Dt I`D;DN”]@ X LDf g DˆAC D;B I ? Z Z Z Z ? ? Z ¯ •j Z ´Z ´ k economy DDD¨FDD:DNcgVµ•i D:DADRg Vz = • € Y DFDN • z I;D†ILD:W T V Return DbDN”cXi F]T DuI;D†W T ILDt = return ADJID_`ID_DADdW zg nm DNz A m i ? Z Z ¯ ZZ k š ? Ÿ Y Ÿ k j NTN DD¹W o 33 DDbu œID:D;D¹V]@W oAD:z g V D:`aDd V g nm DNci `D; W neglect DDA Warea DK;DR=@ ·=j D_m D¨FgVµ D:• DNci D:DRg V = • € DF• DGIDbtm `DAmi Dd g l documented Z v š Z kv ^ k k bN”X ci F]T DpIA= =^ DF • DGIDDbNc i gap I;=@ D:g V!RF= ^ ¶ DdgS e}wg ] Dbd g nm DNci `DA micases submit DD¹W oAz DD˘dg nm DNz A m i issue
Mr. Chairman: Minister for Finance. Z Z Z ? Z v Z Z W @ kS Z Y  ??? à Z Z ? à š Z |•µ š kw\ Du DNX ” LDpIA= =^ DN z Dd g :( ƒ¨w=@ D:A= VÁX DaDt;D`aIDpF`F@gV <’ D˘`AIDƒLF YÁ ‰ X— ID˘poA ª ˘:I; V ^@<@ DNz I;DR= ± – D; g )`a DoIaDƒa¨V FD_S g De }wg g ? W W y who have not filed their returns.DDNci DFmn `DœI gap DN\ D:=T aDu non-filers DD:• DNci Du DAz Df A W
So, we have issued them notices and they are supposed to file their returns. In case, they do not
file their returns then we can take some other measures after that. But we have to issue notices
to them to decide that they want to file their returns or not.
Mr. Chairman: Minister Sahib, What are the provisions in the Income Tax Act? What are
the provisions if somebody does not file his return? What are the provisions over there and what
punitive action can be taken?
Senator Saleem Mandviwala: To my knowledge, the first thing is to give them a notice that
why they have not filed their returns. So, after that probably there can be further measures taken
on them but many of them can come up and file a nil return that they did not do any business
3 and they had no income this year, you know whatever but for now the first thing that we can do is only to issue a notice.
Mr. Chairman: It is great disparity in the numbers of the NTM issued, 33 lac and returns are 8 lacs something. So, there is lot of disparity.
Mr. Saleem Mandviwala: Sir, still year is not completed and this is uptill now only. I personally feel that this will go upto 1.2 or 1.5 million when the year closes. So, this is just the ongoing returns which have been filed.
Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Senator Col.° Tahir Hussain Mashhadi.
Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Thank you Mr. Chairman. Sir, I would like to ask the honourable Minister who is always very well versed and he comes here fully prepared.
Now, one of the previous Finance Ministers we had, a very dynamic one, he had stated categorically that there is corruption of about 40 billion rupees in the FBR alone annually. Now, I would like to ask the honourable Minister that what steps have been taken when a Federal
Minister for Finance of this great State of ours himself says that this is a type of corruption which is going under one of his departments. What steps have been taken to eradicate that corruption or connivance because mostly the income Tax departments work in connivance of the Income Tax officials.
Secondly, there are ways and means throughout the world to bring people into the tax net and they are well aware of it. There is a lot of hue and cry and lot of good statements are given. I mean you can have foreign travel, you can have people who have purchased cars, who have purchased houses. All these type of things, now a days, everything is on the NADRA cards also. So, what action have they actually taken to bring people into the tax net rather than standing up on the floor of this august House and saying that yes, the situation is bad, yes, the tax ratio is declining. Instead of that when are we going to hear that department is going to
4 function properly and do what they are supposed to do. Improve the tax net and remove the corruption in the tax income. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman: Minister for Finance.
Senator Saleem Mandviwala: Honourable Chairman, We have taken some measures on bringing new people in the tax net. About 7.5 million people have been identified who will be brought into the tax net. This is exactly we have done through the NADRA system. We have identified their credit cards, we have identified their travels and we have identified various things and this is in the process and we are doing that.
So, I am quite hopeful on the new initiative that has been taken by the FBR that we should be able to have some new tax payers in the system.
Mr. Chairman: Mustafa Kamal Sahib on supplementary.
Senator Syed Mustafa Kamal: Sir, I would like to ask the honourable Minister that would he like to comment on the recent statement given by the Chairman, NAB that every day in
Pakistan Rs.13 billion corruption is going on, Rs.13 billion losses is going on. So, we have not heard any statement from the government, any version of the government that there is a lot of hue and cry definitely internationally and nationally both when the Chairman, NAB who is also very responsible person and if he is coming up and saying on a national T.V that there is the corruption. Whether that figure is right or wrong? If wrong whether that corruption is much higher than 13 billion or is lesser than 13 billion? But definitely there is corruption going on. So, what would be the response of the government and honourable Minister. Would he like to say something about it?
Mr. Chairman: Yes, Minister for Finance.
Senator Saleem Mandviwala: Sir, I would like to mention on the corruption issue because honourable Mashhadi Sahib also raised this issue. Now, this is a figure between all of us here in
5 the House. This is a figure that somebody has come up with. I failed to understand how somebody has come up with because there is no reasoning given for this 14 billion rupee figure and we have no way out finding out or if he can pinpoint where this corruption is or particularly in an area or sector or person.
So, until we have some idea what we are talking and to which sector we are talking about this corruption, I mean it is just a figure out of the blue. Honourable Kamal Sahib is saying that government should have a view. Government can only have a view if we have an idea or if they identify that this persons is corrupt or this sector is corrupt or please look into this but just giving figure of 14 billion that there is corruption of 14 billion in the country, I think it is very difficult. Although there is a committee under the Law Minister who is looking into this but I still feel this is very vague statement. We need to have more clarity on where the corruption is or what it is? Thank you.
Mr. Chairman: Thank you.
(At this stage, Call (Azan) for Maghrib prayers was heard)
Mr. Chairman: Proceedings are suspended for 15 minutes for Maghrib prayers.
(The House was adjourned for 15 minutes for Maghrib prayers)
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Mr. Chairman: Probably the members are not interested in the question hour. Question No.
65, Mr. Talha Mehmood Sahib. He is not present.
[Q. No. 65]
Mr. Chairman: We move to the next question No. 66, Mrs. Nuzhat Sadiq Sahiba. She is also not present.
[Q. No. 66]
6 Mr. Chairman: Question No. 67, Mrs. Nuzhat Sadiq Sahiba. She is not present.
[Q. No. 67]
Mr. Chairman: Next question is Begum Najma Hameed Sahiba.
[Q. No. 70]
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Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Thank you Mr. Chairman, I would like to
request the honourable Minister for Railways. Sir, in his answer, he has said that there are 33
saloons. I hope he knows that Pakistan is a very poor country.
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Mr. Chairman: We move to the next question, Begum Najma Hameed Sahiba.
[Q. No. 71]
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Z k Z ãk kj ´ k • j Z š š Z D…LFµ DbNci D;]@ DJF l ´ Ddata D:Ddg V g nm DNci `D;DWshow DJF‰ïz DAW D69 billion DpœID:] • DJADF`D¹mimn]]^ ADt] zgj DADd z gS D˘Nci Dd g l D¹ ª Dd g S DGIDt= DF • DJ;aLD¨g@ wW oFD˘DN S c i bNci DEIAy DF µ Z v Z bR= ^ F¶ D;g@ `aDt => : dZ gkS e}wg ]^ DpF= w=^ Z v Z v Z W Ÿ kn k T à Z W W Z ãj •j ç j kS j š ? Z DuDGID_Ddmg m DNci `D:l´ DN”qDe {= }< D`‡ ~ Y DbN z FDAD=T mi deferment Du DGID:• DNci Du DG`I;B Dtg Dt= Dtl] DNz Dd g : î] I`aD`¨ôÕ D`FgwkS IDpF= w = ^ Z Z Z <³S Z k n k l j ?kkS l Mr. Chairman: Minister sahib, do you want that this question should be reformulated now? You raised the question that what sort of losses, whether human losses or financial losses. This is the query you made. So, what do you want? Should it be reformulated or this should be deferred? Z à Z Z DbNci DEIAy DF• Dfinancial losses DIeg }ê DpF= w=^ : ¨<• D`Fw@ DpF= w = ^ 13 Mr. Chairman: So, this question is being deferred. Next question Mr. Hamza. (Q. No. 43) Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Yes Hamza sahib. Z ? v Z ? Z Z Z |@ ¶ š š Ÿ •j à ’ Z ? ? Z kS Z š kw\ Dt ID`aIDFgwW D† FDN T \ DG`A;IDÔI`LD:DN‹@Šg V z D_D:m • Dt Dƒ`A= XWi=ª Dt DJAD; ^W œID: • DJADF;DÔF`LDN m VV Š g \ DR= ^ F ¶ D;`aDpFg @ = w =^ Ddg D:…‡‘> De }wg g ? Z ? v Z ??š jZZ??knZ W k l j Z C ’V à W  DR·=j DK`A² DADN= ^ W DJFwVV{W FDFDd]]g g m DNc i `D;DR¨DuDJFW Y T wVww {WW W FD:DFg V g D˘F g Dd g DEF < ~kµ ID; ] @ D`ADÚ˜•Ù DN”X DN W D¨¶ FäwY Dt Fg\ D†F µ aDtADDF — g w W DbuDÜ;D_`] ^ v Z v D˚dgknm DNci `D;DsFW z ¶ DAW DJIDdZ g k n m D†F V µ a Mr. Chairman: Minister for Defence. ? Z ? ç j Z  bbbbbNci D:g V DAz DpF=V Dt l] ! oIaDpF= w=^ : ‡‘ D¨AgVz D¨ g w \ (Followed by T05) T05-19DEC2012 FAHEEM/ ED Altaf Shaikh 5:50 P.M. ER12 ? v Z Z ? ? Z ? W Z > ? à kS ? ç j Z   bJADF;mi VW Dp‡ž DR·=j Du DR= ^ F ¶ D…‡‘ D›e}x Ddg D:• DNci D:DADpFDtg V z =V l] ! oIaDpF= w=^ :( ÎFÞ LDNz I;=@ D;g @ `aDt F Þ a )D‡‘ D¨gV Az D¨ g w \ He has been my colleague in the old days. He knows that this rule is about the Prime Ministerãs authorization and it was made, in fact, in the year 1992 and at that time I presume that Mian Nawaz Sharif was the Prime Minister. The rule itself is pretty clear that the Prime Minister can authorize any Minister or any person to take a flight or requisition it on his behalf and go to a particular area of the country. Now, in this case, the Information Minister was dealing with a situation where he had to not only disseminate this information regarding keeping the entire federation together on the issue of the local bodies but specifically went to that area where an agitation was taking place and the rest of the ministers and the leaders went to support him. Now, I donãt know, if the honourable Senator feels that it is not important to keep the country strong and to keep the entire country in a united fashion, so this is his opinion but in our opinion it is fairly important service to the country. Mr. Chairman: Rafiq Rajwana sahib. 14 Senator Malik Muhammad Rafique Rajwana: Thank you sir. Sir, may I draw the kind attention of the honourable Minister and particularly, the honourable Chairman, being a person of eminence and legal field, my lord, the part (a) of the answer is that, åthe aircraft was used by Ministers as per rules,ç and rules making power is under the statute and the rules are framed and notified in the official gazette. While we come to reply in part (b), this gives reference just to a letter and then again on the next page a reference has been given to the Prime Minister Secretariatãs letter of 1992. My question would be, whether these official letters are the substitutes of the rules legally? If not and definitely not, then where are the rules? Mr. Chairman: Minister for Defence. Syed Naved Qamar: Sir, I am surprised that the honourable Senator who is himself a legal person has raised such an issue because these are the rules under which Pakistan Air Force operates and I have a whole set of them, if you want I can share it with him and this particular directive from the Prime Minister also becomes part of the rules because it gives a further authority rather than the authority already given in the rules themselves. Z Z v Z bR= ^ F¶ D…‡‘> DpF= w =^ Dt => : dZ gkS e}wg ]^ DpF= w=^ ? Z v ? Z v Z Z š Z ¯ ZZ•j à £gz ’ kV ? ? à Z Z š kw\ DpœIDF] gwWD`aIDI;DF;DEF]@WV <~kµ ID`F l= > DuIAD:DADJAADJID:miWBCg V• Dt Dƒ`A= X= ª Dt IDt DJADD; W ^œID: •V DNB Dd g Fw=@ D:D›eg }x D;`aDpFg @ = w =^ DFg w W D:…‡‘> De }wg g Z Z Z ? ‘’ kS Z ? W ¯ ? š Z ?ZZ? Z C ² ´ š kn ²• Ddg D`F•T DpœID:] ™V oF DbNci DpFDu= V DuIeg }ß D:D˚Fg V • j Dcrisis DI;DDF=@ wµ@ IDF DJAD˚FW •j Dƒ`aeDFFØ VTn•= DJFaDFDJIDN”m X DN W DN X `DF • | W IDAD W federation D:• Ddg m DNX q ? Z ? ? ? ? Z ZZv ? Z ? j ± > j j ± >¯ ? Ÿ? kn ± • j DAD›ADADNW — z z DpœIDbN] ²X DNµ DFDN=T B\ œIDN DtI;] WWD‡²] D`aIDN²X~W DNµ DF=T DtI;DN”] z `LDN D`F l=> DuIADpœIDADFmi] z •Vj Dƒ`aeD…LF`DtDRØ g m ·=jD; BW ID`aIDdg m DN X µ D; D‡Ö \ Dt = ZZ Z ? v Z ^ kZZZZ?? k Z B |@ j Ÿ Z D›ADóa‡— æY D`aIDÔ‡= g@ ž DQIDNg V \ D܇ ˜ Df= Ddgnm DNc i\ `DÌ]T DN D`I¨IDGIDAVW DRAY ± T D`aIDd g n m DNc i `D`I;DuB ¨`Dt V ] IDR ª DN WXi D†F Vkµ aDNr@ ID_D: m • DNc DF w g@ LDŽ = µ Z ? bN”cXi FDF]T w •]T DADRAWY ± T Du W Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Minister for Defence. 15 Z Z Z Z ±wC Ÿ j Z ? à k S Z insist DpID…aD:=™V AgXiW Ddg DJADFm ë]^ DKLDtDNm •l rDpIA = = ^y DF • DEIA DGIDN W DR= ^ F ¶ D…‡‘> D›e }x Dd g D:• DNc i DEFg w ^ DIe g }ê ! oIaDpF= w=^ : ‡‘ D¨AgVz D¨ g w \ Z ? Z ? ? C j ? kS? Z W Z k SC k n D…aD:• DF•j Dƒ`aeDRØ ·=j DN”XW DN DGIDN ²i DNc `DADmidevelop DpoFTnU DA=^ D;DJFaD:]@m • DF DJa; W Dó‡ž Dd g DRY ¨T Du DJIDN\ D…`FaLDd= V g DN” X DGIDd g m DNc i `D;D W Z Z ? v •j •j W k]V ¯ Z kV Daddress Dt= DAW DDpublic D`aIDFgwW Daddress DN\ DMIDN[ z DJA·j IDt= DAD W press Du DJFmn aD˘Nz ;W Dfg DJF m n aDview point Du FA=V ÁC IDdg = DQIg V ? ? j ± •j z £ W Z Z in this day and age, as D˘N²X DNµ D;D‡W Ö\ Dt= DN \æ DN” ‡D`aIDt ˜ D…aD:• DFw·´ D:DFDJIDbFg V •g w W you know, each minute does count and it is very rare that you find people traveling hours and hours on the roads and I think this is also a waste of countryãs expenditure and exchequer. Mr. Chairman: Next question Engr. Malik Rashid Ahmed sahib, its reply is not received. So Question No.44 is deferred. Now, next question, Saeed Ghani sahib. Q.45. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary question? Yes please. Z Z Z Z k Z k Z k v ^ Z |h š k \ åthe D˘:•V‰ DNci DF•³[ D:Ddg gS DGID˘Nc i D:^ DADFD;œIDN =^ •^ W DpIADGID:= = ^ • DFDJAFDF UTwm iz] ²]> AD:D] g V ×eØ Dd g S ! dg S e}wg ] DpF= w=^ D :t D¨gwâ\ De }wg gw Committee is required to meet once in a quarter. As at present Advisory Committee is non ? Z j ¯ W k ˚Nci DJAgXW Dnon functioning D:D‡g V ²] DADN”czXi FDuAD]T m i meeting DQg V IDu DGIDdg S Dquarter Dem n D;B IDfunctioning.ç Z v Z bKA•gV `D;g@ `aDt => : dZ gkS e}wg ]^ DpF= w=^ ? Z v Z v v Z Z ¯ klj ¯ kS > Z DNational Assembly D;D…LF`D`aIDu@ gV Ami Ddg Dmeeting Du AW Ddg DEFµ DQg V IDK`A] z Dt = :( KA•gV `DNz I;D;`a=@g @ )D`A•=V D¨<> ID›Ì Ù DpF= w=^ v ? •]j DuADd¯ W gkS DEFµ DN•• r D meeting DuW D Advisory Committee DGIDbdgkmn Du¯ A mimeetings DuW D standing Committees Du WSenate D`aI v Z ¯ k j b:g V ;±µ Dbu Ami Dd g l Z Z |h > Z k v ]^ Z bRF=^ ¶ Dt D¨g w â\ Dt = : dg S e}wg DpF= w=^ v Z Z Z Z ¯ k j ? |h š k \ buADdmig l DJAg XW D:• DF•j D:DEIAg V y DIeg }ê D:t D¨gwâ\ De }wg gw v Z ¯ k j Z Z > Z k v ]^ Z Dbu Ami Ddg l DJAg X W Dmeeting D:DNgV\ DEFµ DQID:g V • DNc i D:DEIA g V y DF • DJI ! R= ^ F¶ D;g@ `aDt = : dg S e}wg DpF= w=^ 16 Z W W Z ? kS ¶ Z Du D Standing Committee Du Senate D`aIDD National Assembly D:™V AD:]^ • DNci D:DpFDdg V =V g D† I : `A•=V D¨ <>ID›ÌÙ DpF= w=^ Z Z ? ? C ? bƒLDdgklj D:ADN=T zz Dt£W DׇDGIDd˜ Z ±gw Dd g k nm Dt | im `DuAD ¯ m i meetings Mr. Chairman: Is it a statutory committee? Is it given in the statute? Z ? Z Z Z @Z @ k n |@ W •j ’ Z š Z |h š kw\ D…aD˘d;gW D:DFDd;V gV g W D…aD˘d g m D:öT= Dt] IDmeetings Du DStanding Committee D˘t Dt DJF µœIDƒ;=@ DG`I; B Dƒeg }ê D:t D¨gwâ\ De }wg g ? v Z Z Z Wk ¯ k j ¯ k kZ ± C DF`D¹mn]^ AD:]z =T aDu DGIDdgS DADuADd zi^m g l DA = D:DpIDbN”cg V = Xi F] T DuAD mi meeting DQg V IDdg S Dquarter DeD:m n • DNci DF•³[ DLA^ Ddg S DGIDdgw DNc i D issue DM[ IDQg V I ? Z Z ? kn? k l j Z ± wC DbNci DpF=V DM[ I D:DADdg V zgm DNci `DFw=@ Dd g DR= ^ F ¶ D;`aDdg@ g DJA m i Z Z ? j ??W Z Z bƒLDdgkl D:ADN=Tzz Dt£ Dׇ˜ DGIDN \ D: = T aDGIDADd z g k nm DuFDAD¯ =T m i meetings DuW DStanding Committee DR = =^ : `A•=V D¨<> ID›Ì Ù DpF= w=^ ? Z j à ? Z v Z bNz ;W Ddgkl DGA{ ª DpœIDp`ae] Ø DuW DGI : dZ gkS e}wg ]^ DpF= w=^ ZZZ jà à j Z Z DbuDdW gkl DGA{ª DNz DN ‘ ³x D:™–=V Dd g k l Dd g k S : `A•=V D¨<> ID›Ì Ù DpF= w=^ ? Z Z @ Z kS v ]^ Z under what D:g V DAz Dåonce in a quarter,çD:• DNci DFLDpIAgV= =^ DN z DpœIDA]] = ^ D:D:g V•V DdLDF‡D:DpœI g S Š g ! R= ^ F¶ D;`ag@ : dg e}wg DpF= w=^ ? ? k k ? j W DJFl´ D:g V DIs it the rule? Is it in statute?bdg nm DNz ;DWmeeting D:Ddg V g S Dquarter DQg V IDpœIDR] ª DN W provision Df Dprovision, v ¯ ˚Nci Ddirective Du AW DF• DRailway Board DFgwW D˚Nci ? ? Z ? wÁðz k S @ Z bFU DJaLDF w=@ DN\ D† g Ddg DADdLDKLD…`FaLDEIAz g = V y D:D;g V B I : `A•=V D¨<> I D›ÌÙ DpF= w=^ Mr. Chairman: You should have come prepared. v Z Z Z > ¯ klj > k•³gV > standing Dt= D:• Dbut this is no reply uADdmi g DN\ DEFµ DQIDg V meeting :DtD:g V= • DNci DFLDKLDNgV z DJA·j IDpIA= = ^ D˘d g L ! RF= ^ ¶ DtF= T Z ? j If it is prescribed Dbt³µ DADdmi g k l Dmeeting DuW DAdvisory Committee DN\ D:=T aDGID`aIDNc i Du ¯F=T DADmimeeting DuW Dcommittee Z k k j ? š Z bdg™µ DADdmi g l DJAg X W Dmeetings D:g V D: • DNci DR\ `LDI;=@ DEIAy DF• DJIDunder the rules then the rules have to be followed. Z Z Z bFU DJaLDKLDpIA= =^ D‡²]j Dd gkS Dd g @ LD; WDdefer DAW DGIDN”XC DN W DJLDNZ • U I ! oIaDpF= w=^ : `A•=V D¨<> ID›Ì Ù DpF= w=^ š v Z bR= ^ F¶ D`ILD“F x ’ IDt => : dZ gkS e}wg ]^ DpF= w=^ Z Z š à š \ it is required to meet quarterly actually. D˘dgk[ D¹±gV LDpIA= =^ Dd g k S D(c) ! oIaDpF= w=^ D:`ILD“Fx’ ID¨<• De }wg kgw 17 Mr. Chairman: Under what provisions it is to be and if it is not, if it is in the statute then you have violated the statute. If it is under the rules, then you have violated the rules. What is the provision for this. v Z Z ? j Z š à š \ Advisory Committee is Dbdgkmn DNz ADNqmi X @ DtDŸm under DNW D statute DADtz •= D rules ! oIaDpF= w=^ D :`ILD“Fx’ ID¨<• De }wg kgw ? ? ? Z DAz Drules are as good and as bad as the statute itself DADdz gknm DNz Fw=@ Drules DpœIDR] = =^ D`aIDactually part of statute ??Z Z ³µklj k n k T > ? W bbbbbADtz DADdm ig D:• Dd g m DNci `DF‡DN”qDRSŠ {= ^ F ¶ DtFDADNc= T z i Dviolation D`aIDNci Dp`aeØ Du Dquarterly meeting DFgwW Mr. Chairman: This should be taken care of Haji sahib. Yes, Col. Mashhadi sahib. Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Sir, I would like to ask the honourable Minister, first of all Z Z Z Z ? ? Y ?? |h š kw\ D˘Nci DFADRVmi= • € DFD • names D`aIDnames and place of domicile DF•j D…aD˘F •w j DFg W DNz DRF=^ ¶ Dt D¨g w â \ De}wg g Dhonourable DEIAy DA= ^ DDA z Z (Followed by T06) bbbbbbbbbb›F V T06-19Dec2012 Rauf/Sial Ed/ 6-00/UR10 Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Thank you very much Mr. Chairman. Sir, I would like to ask the honourable Minister ZZ ??kS ? ? à ? Z j Z ±wC Bravo, the names and DF••wwj Ddg DGIDF j FgB DF g W DEIANyz DN z D¨gwâ \ DR\ aLD›e}x DK`F <Ÿ m DDAD: = ^• DJADFm i wTV im FDF;D] Wclear D:g V DN•l r DN \ DGIDd g Z kS ??ª’ ZZ Y Nci DFgwVB DFLDd g g DpIA= =^i D`aIDNc i DFADFD÷ V•m DQID›FbNcg V VVV• i DFAD›FDR mi€= • DFDname D`aIDplace of domicile Representatives of Government of Sindh, two representatives, one representative ? k This is not the name of the members. So, the question has not been bDdg nm DDrepresentatives DAz D:g V š Z Z Z Z |k<´ W ç ¥’ w{gkV Wš \ ? Dtg Du Dt=w ID† D`aIDAdvisory Committee DuDRgXkgw DDNz D The honourable Minister D:• DNci D:g V DpF=V DƒeÏ aLD`aIDanswered Z National Assembly of Pakistan and Senate of Pakistan are the part of Federation of D…aDNci DFgwW D;W LDF • š v > |k<´ Z š Z ± C Ÿ W so there is a Nci Dt] I;W Dtg Dƒ; @ Ia¨g V IDKA•gV `DD:g V DDdgw DNc i Dtm `DA m i monitoring Du Dduties, functions Dƒ`F 18 ¤øchanges in passenger time table, changes in freight rates on new product because Karachi is the commercial hub of Pakistan and this is why under this Statute this Committee was formed and it must meet. Why is it not meeting? The member has very rightly asked the question but nobody knows that is it functioning, nobody knows that committee exists and yet no action is being taken. What the honourable Minister is going to do to set things right. Thank you very much Mr. Chairman. Z š v Z b b R= ^ F¶ De}© kS D˘t => : dZ gkS e}wg ]^ DpF= w=^ ? š Z Z Z? ‘’ kZ ±C |k[ | k < ´ k ³[ Z > DNci Dƒ`a‡‘´ D:D:g V • DJADFmiw²=• DdgS Ddgw DNc i Dt g D;DDtW g DD…LA = ^Y ADƒ`F <•µ•µ mŸ DD›FDK`F DD…aDd g nm DN ²z D›F DK`F DN DJA ·^j IDA = : `A•=V D¨<> ID›Ì Ù Dt= F T Z Z ? ZZ Z š i¯ k à Z kkVlj•j ??•Ã k l j • à k S Wi ¯ |k<´ DN”cX FDuAD¨]T mi •=z DN W DN” X l Ddg D:DNc• i DFgwB Dd g Dt= DFF g Vw= @ DNq ²i²i D`aIDNc Dd g DF w] @ DNq D`aIDNc DF •³[ Dd g DK`FDN= V W Dmeeting Du DGID`aIDN”cX F]T DuADtmi g DQIg V vv š ? ? Z Z zk VZ |k<´ k n y Ÿ C Z ± wC i ¯ bNzW FDFÌDŽF=TV€g ]T= Y DN DGID`aIDdg F w=@ Dtg DQID:g V • Dd g m DN z ;DfAD_D¤uFW W m •©z DPID¸F z ID¨•=z DN WX DGIDdg DN”c FDuAD¨] TµV mi • = z DEF DFg Z Z Z > v š Z Z j ? j j š v Z Dd gknm DNr² AD†F]z V©gkS aLD`aID›FDN V z DJA · j IDdgk S Dportion (b)DDNW DEIAy DbDNc i Ddgkl DR\ `LDt•= Dt • = IDpIA= = ^ ˘R= ^ F¶ De }© k S : dZ gkS e}wg ]^ DpF= w=^ Z ³S I defer this question.bNci Ddgklj D† < DpIA= =^ D`aI v Z Z Z Z š Z Z ? ? ç D†V F©gkS aLDD`aID›F V DNz DJA·j ID:• DDKindly ask your officials bN”cXi F]TV DFœIDR\ `LDpIA==^ DFDGIDNc • i DF • ] > ADpIA] z^^ = = DA = DN z DJA · j IDD:= w @ ‡Dtà U ID Z v Z ? k kj ? Z ±kC Z k > bDJAmi DFV ;W Ddefer Ddg S DADGIbDNcWi Ddgl DR\ `LDpIA= = ^y DF• DEIA D:Ddg V gw Dd g nm DN” Xz²@ LDF w=@ DK¨lž D…aDN DpœID;DJ] ]@ F l g j bDd g n m DNr A ] z v v Z ZZš? š Z |||B@k¯ Z ZZ klj<´v ? k S k l j | k < ´ Z > bDNciii Dt DuFw=@ D:D`aIDNcV Dt= D:D`aIDd Vg DNc Dtg D:bJaFg V ww =@W DFg DADpœIDdW] g DAD z d g DNc i Dt g D˘pF= w =^ : `A•=V D¨<> IDD›Ì Ù Dt= F T ? ? Z j Z kS v ]^ Z DNon existence bDNci DpF=V D`aIDF V Ami D non functional D:• D that should be the statement D‡²] DA z : dg e}wg DpF= w=^ ? Z ? ¯ klj Ÿ @ ? Z Non bDu;DdW g DtDm exist D…aD:• DDN”X LD¹±[ DDDpœI] There are two things. If it is not existing bDNci D pF=V D`aIDF V A mi £— ? ? Z D_ DGID:• DD donãt take it so lightly to the Parliament :• D kindly ask the officials DADDNczi DpFD`aIDFA=V V m i D functional Z k j ? k³gV @ bDNci Dd g l DpIA==^ DR\ `LD:g V D˘Dd g• LDbd g LDKLDDpIA = = ^ D…aDN W Certainly, you are not responsible that but in other words you are responsible, the officials are working under your Ministry. So, one should be held responsible for it. 19 ??Z Z ? v kl´ Z ´ ´ klj ¯ k • ³gV simple one DADFDdzgV g DA W DJID_`ID_DAD z The Parliamentarians are sitting over here DbDNci Ddg DADpIAz= = ^ DuAD:D˘d W g V g L ? committee does not exist. That was sufficient. What are the reasons why it does not :• DFADV mi liner ? Z ¯kj k ´ Z ± C it is too much. Reply should come D‡²]j DNci D dysfunctional :`aIDDNcgVi Du;DdW gl D›FD:D:• g V•V Dd g l D:D…aDd g gw D exist? properly to the House. This question is being deferred, so now we cannot have anymore ? Z ´ « Œ ˚dgknm DNcXi FDF]T w ·´ D¹]ª DpœI] ! R= ^ F¶ DŽª ID‡Ö˜ D:=T I`Dt => supplementary on it. We move to the next question. ? Z Z Œ Z £k• kj Ÿ @Z š k S « š k \ ˚Dtg Dmeeting DADNczi Ddgl Dtm DKA •gV `D:• DdLD: g lVV´ D:D:D;DœIDRg W = ^ F¶ De }© : Žª ID‡Ö˜ D:=T I`De }wg gw v v B j š ( ( NX DN z FDQ=x= ©gz L ) Mr. Chairman: Sir, we move to the next question No.46 now. Mr. Abdul Haseeb Khan. Q. No. 46 Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary. ZZZ Z Z W š š kSj ? š k S k S Z kS v ]^ Z Z Z ª« š kw\ Du DGIDNci DFgwW Dp LœIDA=^ DNz DpœIDd] g DEFµV•w DîFD:] ] • DFj DFg W DEIA y DN \ DR= ^ F ¶ De}© DN z Dd g ! RF= ^ ¶ Ddeg }wg DpF= w =^:JFT DR=gk© I¨= w h De}wg g D v Z v v ? v v v Z ¯ kSZ Z YZš ±kkwC VV? Z Z kk nn ¯¯ ¯ kS |\ Du AW D: • Nci DFgwVB DFLDd g g D`I¨IDDD:FAV V SÁ^â DDI;DDpIA=@= = DDdg DDd g FDd= TwV• g F= @ D›FDFDJIDADd zii gmDuAD;IDdm B g m DuAD m irregularities DuAFWgwW DDdg Dt a` Z Z š v Z ? Ÿ Z Z ? ^ ??j j Z j kV k l j DRAY ±T D`aIDNci Dt`D;DJFm W ‰ ï z DF w k• DPIA D`aIDDNci Deù DFgwW FDD • PIA D:• DNci DFwT@ FD:= ]] x= D: x = DFDJF •wV { W FDbDNc] i DQg w² DR= \ D`DaIDdg ADdmi g Dirregularities Z Z v ? Z W k kj j k B k j Ÿ ZZZ ? ? Du DN”X@ LDDN”rDDd {Vg l IDDADpœID‡W ] ²] D`aIDFDNU z FDd= T g S DPIA profits DADDuz DJADdm i g l Dirregularities D;B IbDNci DDtm `D; W Dpayment DADJIDDFW wk• DDJF w { W F] V Z ? v Z Z Z v Z Z ? •‘’ k k Z Z Y š Bk j kV ? WZZ ? ? B k j k V ? 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If you want you can defer the question and it can come on the answer sheet and then all the members can read and ask the supplementaries accordingly. š ? ç j Z k v ]^ Z D:= w@ ‡Dtà U ID:g V D we defer this question and the reply should come in details. DNci DQ g w² : dg S e}wg DpF= w=^ Z v Z j ? bNci DF• DR=^ F ¶ DJFZ T DDR = g k ©^úû e= }< DEIAy DÌIDbFDNU Uz FDœID¹F= T j µ DN W Ddetails Q. No. 47 Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary. Z Z ? Z Z kSv v k S? •‘’ k S š ¥ç]w\ Z Z Z ª« š kw\ DF•] > ADF]z g w W DN zDDdg DbDNc i DFgwVB DF g LDA =^^ DpIA= = DbDJa;W DF g wV W DD˘Ja`DF g DJA { knm D;] @ DGIDd g D:• DJAm iz DF w ²W^= D:g V DA Dd g D˘DF g w Dƒe}w D˘pF= w = : JFT DR=gk© I¨= w h De}wg g D Z Z •j ??Z Ÿ Ÿ š š j kS DAmi Ddiscuss Dt= ID`aIDF•wj DFgW DN\ DJIDEIAy Dtm aD`aIDF •w• j DF g W DF DPIA DEIAy DDtm abDNci DFgwW DpLœIDF • Daccount DD:¶ ‡ž DFDEF•µV DîFD:] ] • DNci DF • ] > ADN]z z Ddg bDNc i Z ? Z Z kS k S Z Z Y Ÿ kS´ ZZZ k n š Z ª j ? 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Next Question No.52 in the name of Engr. Malik Rashid Ahmed. Its answer is not there. Next Question No.53 in the name of Nuzat Sadiq sahib. She is not present, so it is dropped. Next Question No.54, Col. Tahir Hussain Mashhadi sahib. Q.No.54. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, I would like to ask the honourable Minister for Defence that while very lucrative routes of PIA for example Karachi Houston and Karachi Damascus have ceased to function. Why routes like Karachi-Frankfort, Lahore Frankfort and Karachi Copenhagen have not been ceased. How much loss is PIA suffering on each flight of these routes? How much loss is going on in every month? Is it not a fact that these aircrafts are only being flown on the pressure of the Cabin Crew especially the pilots because they get huge TA, DA and they have over stays in these foreign route stations while PIA suffers lots. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman: Minister for Defence. Syed Naveed Qamar: Sir, I am surprised that the honourable member has put such a contradictory question. On the one hand, he says that we should be flying to Houston, I am sure 22 on which the Cabin Crew gets a much higher TA, DA than the flights that he has mentioned to be closed i.e., Copenhagen and Frankfort. Now sir, each one of the flights obviously is of PIA. Yes, it is under tremendous pressure as far as number of aircrafts is concerned and therefore, one has to be very careful in his choice of which route he has to fly and which route not to fly. Yes, PIA was in a position to fly to most of the routes that are given to it but certainly to those which are mentioned here like Copenhagen, entire Scandinavia, Germany have large Pakistani diaspora. So, I fail to understand how we feel that these flights should not be operated. « v Z on supplementary.DR= ^ F¶ D…F µ DîF ¶ : dZ gkS e}wg ]^ DpF= w=^ ¤ø ? ? Z ??Z k k XY Z Z Z k v ^ Z « à Z š k \ DpoIAy DdgV DNW DR=^ F¶ D¨g w \ `Dbd g nm DpoIA y D`FDÜœIDŽ] T = • • DN \ DJI‡gÖkµ D×A ÕY AD;`ag @ ! deg S }wg ] DpF= w=^ D:;g V ±µ : …Fµ DîF ¶ D¨<• DFoADe V Y }wg gw Z Z Z z kSš k l j •=j ??kn Ÿ š à š kw\ k n DN”{ aDdg DK`FDN=V W DFFDbNc VÞ i DFœIDdg V g Dt DpIA= =^ DQIDFg V •T DpoIAy DJa`F] Dbdg m DpoIA y D_m IDK;D:DbNc=@g V i DF •¶V DR=^ F D¨ < • D`FDe= }wg g DEIA y DQg V ID`aIDd g m Z ?? ? š ? Wš kS ¯WC? Z W š \ š k n ? 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WŸ T k l j š ¯W¯¯ kS D˚Nci DFgwVB DFLD;D¨ gW w=@ DJAgXW DN \ ID˚dgm DpFAm nw = ^ aDF g W Du DGIDbt`D†Ddm ] g DÔÌDuADu@ Þ W DKIDu œIDu ] Ddg DFgw\ `DK`A ]z Mr. Chairman: Yes, Minister for Defence. v v ? Z ¯ ¯ ’ ? Z k k Z over a period D`aIDFU DNz Ì]T DKIDu œIDu] DADJAz mi D aircrafts ;B IDflights Dt DR·=j D:• DJADFmi ë]^ D;D;LDdW W g S DN”q{ T ! pF= w=^ : ‡‘ D¨AD¨gVz g w \ v Z Z v Z v •j Ÿ k B W kk±ZC B k •j DN\ Dt= ID routes DNX@ D`FDN]T z D_DN”qD˘uDADm { T mi induction Du D aircrafts DNX@ DJFDK`Fmn Mr. Chairman: Yes, Minister for Defence. Syed Naveed Qamar: Sir, over the last years there were about 7 routes that have stopped operating Z Z Z ? \ Z k•C « •j kS^ k S Z ^ A±µ FDSStansted,D˘A±µ Ì U D˘EA= X kw ID in UAE, dg ID˘A =X¥ A W D˘FgwW D;LDtW = IDNz Ddg DFDf•= DNc i DAFB ë \ Dd g Dd = 24 these are the 7 routes that have been stopped operating. Some of the routes that I have mentioned which will be starting are new routes and some will be restarted. Mr. Chairman: Now we move to next question No.55 in the name of Nisar Muhammad Khan. Q.55 Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? v? v Z ž •Ã ? ¯? X Y ¯ k Z Z Z à Z š k \ D;D`ADtA]@˜ ¥= D:• DNci DFAD:D›FDFDKIDuœIDÝIbFVm i g V ••gz • j DŽ• • DN W DKIDuœIDÝIDEIA g z y Ddg S D† ¶ I ! pF= w=^ : JFT D ¨<• D `F w @ D e }wg gw ? ? Z ~z •Ã kk• š Z Z k Z Z ´ Œ ? D:• DNci DF`DADRmnmi= =ª DN ² q Dbdgnm Dfg D…`F •Tj IDA y D`F] D×eDJI`aLDN Ø W DJAF C µ Dd g V ! pF= w=^ DbK;W D›F • D;DJID`aIDN]]@² `D‡•z D;DJA @{g k • D›F Mr. Chairman: Yes, Minister for Interior. Z v Z ? ªÃ ? Z kS v ]^ Z j š ? 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DNW DGID`aIDNc i D offences relating to foreign exchange D˘dgknm D foreigner acts Nci D illegal immigration D…aDNci DF;V W D deal Cyber and Currency Counter-DdgkS DGID˘Nci Doffences falling under Electronic Transmission Ordinance D…aÌ Ù D˘Nci D Violation of Copyright Ordinance D ˘Nci D offences falling under Custom Act Nci D terrorism D ˘Nci D foiling š v v Dsg kµ aDI;=@ D`F• D…; @ ILDF • Du¯ œIDÝg z ID܇˜ DGIDDbdgknm D investigation under specialized crimes D˘Nci D Interpol D˘dgknm D Banking crimes ? ? wÁðz š k SZ k Sn k ’ ? kS ^ •j kS ^ š \ DFFgV w=@ DN\ D† g Dƒ;Dd=@ g DK`FDN= V W DJIDd g Dbd g m Dfields t DR·=j Ddg Df = D`aIDNci Dt= D Anticorruption Ddg Df= DNci De}™ gw DQIDFDGID:DbNcg V • g V i Z v v Z kS ? ªÃ kn¯•j W Z kk Snš^ Z k • š kk Sn š \ ? Ddg Ddepartments DÝ•w Dbdgm DuADtmi±= DJF`AgVg V `Du DJIDd g DGIDbd g m= DNz ADe mi}© `De ùg D…`F •j IDA y D`FDd] T g DGIDbd g mj D`e }™ gw DR · = DN W DGID:• DNc i 25 ? Z ? v kSZZ w Áðz W ? ? W Z kn D;DNW C DN \ D¸ þ Ddg DJIDbNci DLA =^ A Y D†g Du DJIDÔ aD GIDGF]V DKeg }ê DbNci D…LFg V `DR·=j DLI¨•z Du DJID˘dg m DN z Ami D cases register DA =^ v Z v ? Z Z ? ¯ Wk[ ? Z Z j k Z ^ k ¯ W kwkgw]@?j Z ? DÔ aDGID`aIDNci Du Ami D disposal DuDfg Fwkgw] @ DAy DaLD`IeDîFDNm n ] ] V \ DdgS Dd= Dd g nm DuœIDinquiries Du DJA{gk• Dfg DA y DîFD`IeDpF] ]Vm n µ DQD¸V þ k Z š \ ? B k •j W DNW DGIDA=^ Dd g S D`e}™ gw D›F Mr. Chairman: There is no other supplementary, we move to next Question No.56. ( ( ƒ`F =T) T08-19Dec12 ZAFAR/Ed.Mohsin UR6 620 PM Z ? ? v ? v Z ª=j ç z B W Z kn k S Z kS v ]^ Z j š ? bNci Df Dt© DuL;`FDW •overall Du DJIDdgm DNz œIDd g D`F• D…;@ ILDN W DGIDA =^ Dsectors D›F Mr. Chairman: There is no supplementary. Next question, Nisar Muhammad sahib. Q.No 56. Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Z v Z Z Z Z ? j ? 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W DADdz g m DNz ;DpFDuW =V Dmaintenance Du DJaeg }]ß Du DD_ DGID`aIDairframe, seating DR= =^ D_Dbd m g m DNci `D;DpFDuW =V Dlarger equipment ? ? ? B @ @Z ¯? W PIA will be DR= =^ Du DJA mi DÔDde= g g } ]ß D› F 28 financially sound enough to move forward on these things. There is a business plan under which all these things are to take place but of course there are certain things that have higher priority like acquiring new plans etc before we come to this. Z Z àw=@ |k[ Z k v ]^ Z bR=^ F¶ Df Dt= I¨ = w h : dg S e}wg DpF= w=^ Z Z Z •j ZZZ kZ k v ]^ àw=@ |k[ š k \ DMinister for Defence Dt= ID:g V Dno doubt DFDJAFDFUTwmi] ²]> ADN] z\ D×A ÕY AD;`aDdg@gS Dbd g S e}wg DpF= w = ^ D˘:;g V ± µ : f Dt= I¨=wh De }wg gw Z v Z Z Y ·´ kn Ÿ¯ Ÿ ? W kSj •]j k n @ Emirates D:• DNci D:DRg V = •€ DFDN• X DKeg }ê D˘dg m DNc i `D;DWopenD…`F=V aLDroutes DtaD:D˘Ncmg V i DuADtFmi m =w@ DA= ^ Du DPIA Ddg DEFµ DîFD˘`FDN] ] V] T •• r Dbd g m DNq X Z Z Z Z Z ±wC ´ @ ^ you can say Emirates Airline is number one DÜœIDd= g DN”z LD`Fl=> DN z I;D¹ ]@]ª DNr X ID;D ] @ lease DAW DGID˘FgV Ì]T DNz DPIA DAW Df= DAirline Z Z Z C Z kn? Z k ™ µ ? DPIA ˘DD˚Nci DF`DFDFmn= TwgW DF g w W DN” XWCW DN DN I`IDN DJID`aIDdgm DNci `DADNmi \ DJFlV‰´ DpFF ï z D:D:g V • DN B Dd g DF w=@ D×A Õ AD;`aDF Y g@ g w W Dairline in the world. ? Z v kS š C > kn ? kn¯ •j ? j ’ k S Ddg D`AoDADK`IDN”mi z X DN W DtI;DN] W \ DLFœID›Ì=V µ ID flight D;B IDbdg m D…LF`DRgV ·= j DˆADC unprofessional D:• DRDd= =^ gm DuADt mi= DJFgw@ ‡²= D;D`ADt]@ ˜ F g w \ Dd g Z ? ? ? kn kSZ ? @š C> k n @ D;g@ `aDFgwW DDaewoo bus is much reliable than PIA.DDdg m DNz F=T D;W Dland Ddg DJFw•S DADd`IDN”z gXW DN DtI;DDN] W \ D`AoD`aIDdm i g m DN” X LD;D W land ? ? ? j W kn ± ? ˚Nci DFwTwx±µ DFDF= g W DEF= D܇DfDDADLF˜ W < |h IDN W DJAAD;D B C ]@PIA D`aIDAW Duncertainty DGID:• Ddg m DNX µ DFw=@ DR= ^ F ¶ Mr. Chairman: Minister for Defence. Syed Naveed Qamar: PIA unfortunately has the worst image than the reality which is not that good either. Z ? Z which has huge oil rich countries pouring in funds D˘FV ; W compare N\ Dairlines like Emirates DAW DGIDA z Deg } ]ß Dt çl]j ? ? Z k ´ k W k k Ÿ DNB œIDdg l DN \ DDPIA Emirates D¨FgV µ DADNzz ADdDm i g Ssituation DuDNz ;DWpour in DN”rDd{ Vg S DPIA DN\ D܇˜ DGID_m D;B IDis not a fair thing. ? Z Z Z ? kV k^k@SZ nZ ? ªÃ k S ?? W Z ¯ Ddg F=V DJAz aLD:g V Drise in the price of oil and exchange rates DdDdDdg= gm Dde g g }]ß DDÝ•w Dd g DpFAaDuDpFFmn = ^ V ‰ ïz DNW DPIA Dbu A mi ? ? k•³gV WZ ±wC k•j we DADdz g LDper seat cost Du DGIDpœID;] B IDdg DYes PIA has got a loaded work force Dbdg DeFDNm n=V \ Dcontrol DNW DPIA are somewhere in the middle, we are not amongst the worst in the world. contdÉ..T09 29 T09-19DEC2012 FURQAN[ED.ALTAF] 6:30P.M. ER8 ? Z k ³gV WZZ ± C we are somewhere in the middle, we are not DADdz g • L per seat cost Du DJIDpœID;] B IDdgw Db (ƒ`F =T)‡‘ D¨A¨gVz g w \ Z ? v Z Z Z klj ? ? k n i Z? W @ à Ÿ yes Ddg DR\ `LDpFD:D˘d=Vg V g m DNcX `DÝFz T DÔaDeD;D m n ]@employment Du DJAB A C DNX r ID…IAª IA ^ D_m Damongst the worst in the world. DGID they should be trained and put into better areas and should not be totally just sitting around. v kZ Z j @ j k ? W @ Z bdgV œID;]@ DJaeg }]ß DJID‡²] Dd g ; W focusD;DGIDN]@ •l rDdgnm DpFAmn =^ a main DA=^ Du losses DNW DPIA D˘dg ;W D:V Dover simplify DA Waspect DK`F µ Mr. Chairman: Thank you. The Question Hour is over. The remaining questions and their printed replies placed on the table of the House shall be taken as read. Leave applications. Leave of Absence ? Z Z Z ? Z kS < ³S @ ? Z Z W? Y ¯ ´ Z Z ç š kw\ Z kS v ]^ Z DF V12 D:T `AY Ddg DGÌ=T ID…LA = ^ A Y D`aIDDGÌ =T ID† Dd g a 27 D:w\ ;D;DFB] @ ww=@ Du DpFg ‹ ae DuILD: µ A² DJFDt TäÙ D`F ðCIaLD`ILeÏ De }wg g : dg e}wg DpF= w=^ ZZZ Z Z Z ? Z ???WZZZZ W W C j ? j klj ? k S ’ DRÁ^ `Du DJIDJIAID:DFgzg V gwW DbNci Du DR \ IA ^ `LDu DR Á ^ `DN \XW DJIAIDN” g zª· DN DJAg `F V DJIDN z²± DJAj IDbN DNµ D;DdW g DÔeDdW Ï g DGÌIDe=T = }< L 14 ? Œ Z ˚Nci DFV F‡ S Š D`A • X Y v Œ Z ? Z ( ( t|BDuW D`A•XY DRÁ^ ` ) Z ? Z Z Z j klj ? k S ’ Z Z W? 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I hereby present report of the Committee suggested certain amendments to the Act to provide for the establishment of Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan [The Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan Act, 2012]. Mr. Chairman: The report stands presented. We move to Item No. 4. Senator Mushahid Hussain Syed, Chairman Standing Committee on Defence and Defence Production may move Item No. 4. Senator Mushahid Hussain Syed: Thank you Mr. Chairman. I am very pleased to present a third regular bi-monthly report of the Senate Defence and Defence Production Committee. As you know we have developed a new culture of holding regular meetings and also policies seminars which you were kind enough to inaugurate at the Pakistan Institute for Parliamentary Studies and now we have started a new tradition. ? š ? v Z Ÿ ¯ |k<´ knŸ k S W ? |@ experts DN\ DeFD_m n=V m plus D`aINci DuADLAmi= ^ ADt Y g Dƒ`F< mŸ D:• Dd gm DN z ;D:D_DdW g V m g DGIDçPublic Hearingsç ˘Nci Du DÎaeÏ DÔIa`Dtg@ DQIg V ? Z ?? Z ? Z ? 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Z Z The honourable member from the Opposition bFgwW DILI role DF•] > IDR·=j DNz DJA·|=^ D members of my Committee Raja Zafar-ul-Haq is a member and Col.(Reted.)Tahir Hussasin Mashhadi, Ch. Shujaat Hussain, Z à D`e= }< DDNW DGIDˆAC DKe Ï aLD`aID Sehar Kamran, Haji Adeel, , Sardar Ali Khan, Secretary Iftikharullah Babar Z Z ? kn and I am very grateful to the Secretariat led by Ifikharullah Babar Nci DFgwW DILI active role DR·=j DNz DJA ·jID˘d g m j D˘Nci active Dt•= D website Dƒ`F we are the only Committee with the website, members both the National Assembly and the Senate and this is how we want to establish the role of intellectual and political leadership by the Parliament and the Parliamentary Committee through issues, ideas and initiatives. Thank you Mr. Chairman for you personal support and blessings. Mr. Chairman: The report stands presented. Now Item No. 5, we move on to that Calling Attention Notice, namely Senator Mrs. Nuzhat Sadiq, Senator Col.(R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi and Senator Shahi Syed. Where is Leader of the House? Honourable members of the cabinet are here. Defence Minister and Information Minister sahib you both are here, there is a collective responsibility of the Cabinet members. 33 Z v ? Z Please wait, we can have a response ! R=^ F¶ D†;DbdVWgk nm D;DJF] @ l ´ D…aDd g k V Ia;DF W w•¶]@ FDR = ^ F Leader of the House DI`L from the Leader of the House. Z Z š Z ³]T klj j ? Z kS v ]^ Z š kw\ DNz DpœID`aIDNc] i Dt DA miCalling Attention Notice table D˘Nci Ddg DQg w² DpFD:=V g V ! dg e}wg DpF= w=^ : `A•=V D¨<> IDGFgwC IDe }wg g ? bF•j DF l´ DF • Tuesday š j Z k v ]^ Z direction was for Tuesday and probably we could DNci DQg w² DI recall that ! 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Z Z kn k kn k l j š k S bdg m DN”X [ D; Wnext time D˘FgwB DAD;I;˘dmi =@ = @ gm Dd g DRF= ^ ¶ De}© DÜœID = Senator was not here v v Z Z k Z k v ^ Z Z k ^ š š š k \ bdg nm DNXB DA mi52 days DAW DN•S F•Y DGI ! dg S e}wg ] DpF= w=^ : ƒ¨l£Y Ddg © Dem n FÛ D¨ g w \(L;F@ wg@ ` )D†V ;W De }wg w g Mr. Chairman: Mashhadi sahib, I certainly understand this is an important issue, let it be deferred, let the Minister come. ? Z k ˚dg nm DNXi c F]T DÔ= W DpœIDpI] = ! R=^ F¶ D`¨D;= V àV F l => ??Z v Z Z kSSŸ k{Z gkµ k S k n B • j Z kS v ]^ Z à š kw\ DdbFDADtDdDdgUmim g DN•U IDpIDADdDEF= z gg w^ DKe g }ê D˘d g m DN X DeFD…aDADtm n = V z = I ! dg e}wg D pF= w=^ : `¨De=Vg }öV Fl=> D¨ < • De }wg g v ? bNB DdgkV œIDÔ= W D…aD:• FU DJaL Fw=@definitely †• ? Z Ÿ š Z kS v ]^ Z š kw\ bNci Dtm `Dp;] @ D›IA h ! dg e}wg DpF= w=^ : `A•=V D¨<> IDGFgwC IDe }wg g ( ( T10 DNB œI ) 34 T10-19DEC2012ÉÉÉÉÉÉ.FANI\ED(Mohsin Zaidi)ÉÉÉÉÉÉ..6.40PMÉÉÉÉÉ..UR12 ? Ÿ ¯ k Z k v ^ Z Ddeal _m D`aIDNci Du ;W D OGRA deal D:• DpIA= =^ D:g V `aIDDthere are two issues probably Ddg S DGIDbƒ`F =T : dg S e}wg ] DpF= w=^ Z ? ? Z Z @ Ÿ | C š ? klj D;W DœID…aDJLDGID; B IDotherwise DNB DdLDpIAg= =^ D_m D:• DKLD: l ´ DF½ ¨gw\ D_g ae}V] Dp`I`aDADFD z g V this should not be the response.DNz ;W Dd g k @ bdg [ D¹±gV LDAW DGIDOGRA would be replying to this, this will not be fair then.D:• Ddg LD: l´ D:g V ? š Z Z k j à š k \ bdg mn DNXk ”[ D¹ ±gVLDN\ IDNc i DQg w² D:`¨=V Deg }öV Fl=> D¨ < • De }wg gw j kZ k ³gV Z Z k v ]^ Z confusion DQg V ID‡²] DdgS DGID˘JFV Dd g • LDOGRA is under the Cabinet. ˚FU DKLDpIA= =^ DJA W DF • DGI : dg S e}wg DpF= w=^ v k B who would respond to this, we defer D:• Ddg [ D¹±gV LD:DpœIDg V ] so lets be very clear about it now.DuDNz FDAD=T mi create Z Z Z |h bNci D›FDÌVl]j DFDRF •=^ ¶ Dt D¨g w â \ Dit till Friday. 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DAW DGID:• Dthen somebody would respond to it, but I have asked the honourable Leader of the House DA z bdgk[ D¹±gV L v Z Z à š k \ bNz F=T DAmi Ddiscussion D;]@ DGID:`¨=V Deg }öV Fl=> D¨ < • De }wg gw Mr. Chairman: But let somebody come and move a proper motion for that. Z Z bNci DIAmi DFgwW Dmotion move DNz DpœI] ! RF= ^ ¶ D…‡‘> D v > Z Z š Z bNci Du¯ Ami DƒLDIa D;W Ds¥= Dmotion DNz DdgkS D:…‡‘> De }wg kgw\ Mr. Chairman: Then that will be taken up Z ? jZ ´ bRF= ^ ¶ DA=ª ;D†=@ ¶ FDtD T =>if there is a motion, we can have discussion on it. `aIDdgk• `DÝg z eùz DpœID] š ? š Z Z Z Z |k=V Ÿ •j • = j Z W ? ?? ’ •j W ? kS jZ Z Z ¶ š kw\ DN² ” D_m DJ FaDbtmn Dt DMwkgwY DQIDƒ`F g V < mŸ Du DPILDAT DÜœIbDJA= mi DFV ;W DRY ¨DRS ª Dt= Du DpF= V DGIDd g : A=ª ;DJFD†=@T F T Deg }ê De }wg g Z ? ? v ? kSv Y ? •‘’ k S k S j D`aIDNci DFV F= T Ami Deradicate Ddg DFgw@ LDƒ`AD;IDA]]zXzB g C AD:•–V• DNci DÌD:]Tw{ DAD:D: = ^ig DJADF m w ² = Dd g bNc i DIAD: mi •— IaD`aIDQIDdg V g D…¨µ `FD:] T • DIAD›A mi•zi •Y DADN ²z DN A m Z Z ? ? ? Z |@ ? kS DpFDOF‡=V V •^ Dt ID…aD then your country will be dangerous for the whole world.DANcz i DFwim `Ddg DQ–S DK`F < Ÿ m D×eD…aD;Ø B I ? Z ? Z •j W Ÿ k j Z Z Ÿ ^ D:• Dt Du Drequest DQIDNg V \ DpœIDN] z D_DJAm y ;D:]@ • Dmy request to you DNci Dpoint of order DA=^ DIeg }ê D;bNàS X±µ ;Dd W g l D…`I¨ID_DFDfV m • = DNc i Z v ? Z klj •jš Z j • j k 36 ? Z Z Z jZ ¶ ë C > Z kS v ]^ Z I asked the Secretariat DADFz gwW D issue raise D:g V DJLDGIDNz DpœIDR] = =^ ! RF= ^ ¶ DA=ª ;D†=@ FDb†FDt T= V = : dg e}wg DpF= w=^ during my absence, the matter was placed before the Acting Chairman. The Acting Chairman is not here, the file is with his office. As soon he comes back, obviously he has to give some ? Z kn z |Õ as soon as the file comes to me, I will dg m DNci `DoDÝeg z ù Dî= D…aDmost probably Nci DEFgw^ DIeg }ê Dremarks on that Z bR= ^ F¶ DFœIDt ÙçÙ D†FDtDS • = > proceed accordingly. Z Z Z Z Z kS š|h ? ? 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Z ? v vZ v Z kW j Z Z š ? k k j j Bãà W DNW DGIbFAD:FU¶miÞ IDdgS DLI¨•z Du DJA] ªi= D`a¨ • Y D`aIDFADJF U‰ mïz DI;DR= @·=j DADN zBz Dd g V FDN= TÌDd] V g l DK‡• — DN W DAg XzWªC ADADJA]]] = D`aIDu DN z FDO`D_ =T D:Dug V DA g Xz C A Z Z ? Z W |i Z Z k^ š k \ k ?? public hearing Du DDefence Committee DÜœIDN= z DJA·j ID:• DJADtm i m FDF;D]T V Wcommend DAW DR= ^ F ¶D¨gw\ Ddg© D¨Fm n ©Y De}wg gw DdD¹FD¹F g S j µµ j ? ‘’ Z Z ?? |²• kZ \ Ÿ k k |\W |• i Z j W k V D:D:DJADtgV •mi = DdDbN”gSXW D¨äâXY D`Fwgk T11 bbbbbbbbbbbbƒ`F=T DNB œI T11-19Dec2012 ER5/Rafaqat Waheed/Ed: Altaf Sh. 6:50 pm v ? Z Z ¯ ¥=> ? j ? k Z š k \ bu Ia;W Ds DIAXC IDQg V ; ª DÔ a;= @ DJFlgj DNz Dd g S ( ƒ`F =T) :…‡‘> De }wg gw Z k[ • ? ‹ •Ã Z kS v ]^ Z bNB Ddg DAW DGID† Dwe will take it up tomorrow.D˘Nci DFgV F w =@ DN z Df œIDN ² q : dg e}wg DpF= w=^ v Z ? ? kS Z š kw\ bNz FDF=Tg w W Dtake up DDÜœID= ADGID:W • DF•j DF wim FDd] T g D:…‡‘> De }wg g Mr. Chairman: That is being processed, we will take it up. 38 Z š v Z Z ? ? •‘’ k±S? ZwC Wy W C Z k ™lS•| gk =V |W kkj ? Z ? Z Z > š kw\ D:DF• •wj DF²= DdDÔaDGIDdg g DNciX DuDfADuDNW F ëVz Dd g D`FDt= D˘JADdm i g D`A X — FDF Ûw @ IDd g D˘Nc i\ DG`I;B DN DpœIDƒe] g }ê D:…‡‘ De }wg g ŒZ Z ? v ? 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Z Dbdg m DƒLDt D;g@ aF=x DaLDQg V ID`aI DNci DFgwW D`F g w k T IDÝADQID˘Nc— Y g V i DFL g V v Z ? ¯ ? •j j kS k T Z kS v ]^ Z counter terrorism DuADƒ`FW bNci D: –<> ? ? Z v kn @ Ÿ i Z Z Ÿ Z Z kV kn ? D˘dg m DN”X LDADW soldiers D¨gw·’ D_DADN”cm =^X FDFFDFLD:]TVTV= g ¶ aF • Y DtaDADJID˘dm W g IAD ^ particularly Ddgm DNz AD¨migw·’ DˆADAD˘pFDƒeaL C = ^ =V Ï Œ ? Z ? çÛ ¯ š Z kn @ k[ DbNci DF`AD_mnmi D`aIDuLF`Dƒ;D:D:g V =@ g V ™ V Ag XWzW Ddg m DN” X LDA Dfg AD`aID] paramilitary Z ? ? Z C Z{±wC • k wh ’ W Z?? Z k S ? k V Z kS v ]^ Z D`A{kS DFw]@ IDN”X DN W Ddg ID†DÜœIDd= g F i Z kn Ÿ ? our vision is that of a polio-free Pakistan and we will D:• DN”cX FDFADÝADJF]T Vmi— Y © ±gV DQID;Dg V ]@ issue DGIDbdg m Dtm `;W D`Fgw@ ? Z v kV W j Z š kS W Z ? Z j Z k Z k v ^ Z bdg S e}wg ] DpF= w=^ D:g V ; ±µ Z ¯ Z Z kS v ]^ Z bR= ^ F¶ DuF`DF= V ¶ ` : dg e}wg DpF= w=^ 39 Senator Mian Raza Rabbani: Sir, my point of order is not on polio. 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I was not in the country when these tax things happened. First I want to clarify about the wrong impression about me. I have been a tax payer of this country since 1982 when I become editor of the Muslim since last thirty years. My ä tax returns, the said Senator Mushahid Hussain filed in 2011.ã I was not a Senator then. I had no salaried income. I paid five hundred and twenty six rupees then and that was transparent. This year, 2012 I have become an elected Senator. MY tax returns filed on 28 th September, 2012 were Rupees sixty five thousand seven ninety three. So, I want to make it clear that I have been paying taxes and in the 2008 Presidential elections, I was the first and only 49 one among the three Presidential candidates to voluntarily declared and make public my assets. So, this is for the record. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. The House stands adjourned to meet again on Thursday, the 20 th December, 2012 at 10.00 a.m. [The House was adjourned to meet again on Thursday, the 20 th December, 2012 at 10.00 a.m.] 50