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Episode 43: If They'd Just Listen National Suicide Prevention Lifeline Episode 43: If They’d Just Listen National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-8255. Music provided by: David “Drumcrazie” Curby Special thanks to Hogan Lovells, for their long standing legal support ℗&©2019 Red, Blue, and Brady ***Brady legal music*** Kelly Hey, everybody, this is the legal disclaimer where we tell you the views, thoughts and opinions share on this podcast belong solely to the person talking to you right now and not necessarily Brady or Brady's affiliates. Please know this podcast contains discussions of violence that some people may find disturbing. It's okay. We find it disturbing too. ***Brady musical introduction*** ​ JJ Hey everybody welcome back to “Red, Blue, and Brady”, and I am so excited for this minisode today for so many reasons. But let's do the first one, which is that I am joined by a brand new cohost. You've met her once before when she was on to talk about toy guns, but she's back again. It's...Kelly! Kelly Woo! Hi, everyone. JJ Kelly, do you want to let everybody know what you do at Brady, besides being awesome? Kelly I am counsel here where I focus on constitutional litigation, legal alliance and racial justice. JJ So, Kelly, besides your fantastic taste in podcasts and your phenomenal legal prowess...what, What are we doing today? Why are we having this minisode today? Kelly So we're having this minisode today because we're kicking off a series that will only be the start of a conversation that won't end as long as Brady's around. Which is considering, amplifying and thinking about the intersectional nature of gun violence. And today is a particularly poignant day because it's Trayvon Martin's birthday and he would have been 25 years old. And so this is just a sliver of a conversation that is so complex and multi-dimensional, but you have to start somewhere. So that's what we're doing. JJ Yeah. Kelly So oftentimes we talk about gun violence as though it's a blanket issue. But in reality, gun violence encompasses different phenomena that all involve guns but have different root causes. Gun violence oftentimes is used as an umbrella term, but we know that it encompasses different things. You have mass shootings, urban violence, suicide, domestic violence and all of these different phenomena impact different populations with different concerns. And so hard part of what we're trying to do here is drill down on what gun violence looks like. JJ And we want to be really clear from the outset because I think people hear the phrase like racial justice and get really nervous because right, I think that they're afraid am I gonna get yelled at for not knowing things. Am I gonna get yelled at for, you know, not having solved the problem of racism in America yet? And the answer to that is no, because it's and I've learned this just even preparing for this podcast. I feel like I've learned a ton already. So this isn't to shame people. This is to educate people. This is to give people a chance to say, hey, awkward conversations are really hard. Talking about race in America is a difficult thing and like you can't see us but like I'm a white lady, Kelly is a black lady like I think we do not speak for all white and black women. Kelly No, we don't. JJ You can tweet us like lots of angry things, but not about that. But that doesn't mean just because it's hard that you don't have that conversation and you don't try, and we owe it to the 100 Americans that die every day literally, that we have to have this conversation Kelly Right and I think in our country, especially there is this sense of shame. Or, you know, if I say something wrong, everyone's gonna attack and stone me. But that's not that sort of conversation that we're trying to have because let's be real America is so diverse, so complex, so multicultural. And each of us is just an individual with one experience, which means inevitably, there are things that we don't know. There are conversations that we don't understand. We're going to make mistakes. And so we're not going for 100% perfection because that's not realistic. We're going for an attitude that's willing to learn, willing to be corrected with the understanding that that's natural and, um, ethical moral thing is to keep learning and to be open to that. JJ And so to that end, you know, because the whole point of this podcast right is that every week we give you a tiny little snippet of gun violence, cause gun violence is difficult. We give you a tiny little snippet of gun violence prevention so that you the listeners could go out there better and informed, ready to work on this, you know, ready to face the reality of gun violence and gun violence prevention head on. The little snippet we're going to give you today is we're joined by these two phenomenal Team Enough members, some great ladies that I get to work with at Brady every day who, as I've talked about our Team Enough kids before in the past, like people who are not yet legal to drink but have resumes that, like, put my adult resume to absolute shame. And we're gonna talk to them about sort of the reality of being young women of color in this space. And you know whether they feel welcome in this space or--not the space as our tiny little Harry Potter podcast studio--but space as the GVP movement. JJ and Kelly *laughter* ***music plays*** Kelly So let's just kick this off, can you ladies introduce yourselves? Tatiana Hi, I'm Tatiana Washington, I'm on the executive council members on Team Enough. Aalayah Hi, my name is Aalayah Eastmond. I'm a survivor of the Parkland shooting and executive council member of Team Enough. JJ And I wanna give, I think actually, Tatiana, it was a tweet that you had retweeted that made me wanna have this conversation, because you retweeted something I believe about young activists of color, getting pushed out of spaces and then white activists, sort of taking that space up. And we've seen that a lot with sort of like indigenous black and brown bodies, young activists getting pushed out of the climate change conversation, but I think we certainly see it in gun violence as well. And so I was like, we have these two fabulous Team Enough members, and I think maybe you actually even retweeted it too, Aalayah...well now you know I stalk your twitter. And so I was like, we've gotta talk to you all about that. Aalayah For me personally, that's been my entire journey in this movement. Coming from Parkland and Douglas, it did spark the national conversation to happen again. But we did clearly see a disconnect between black and brown students that survived the shooting at my school and then the white students. And I think it's important that we hold people accountable, including the media, because the media made it an effort to give just those students alone a platform. And then some of those students, you know, didn't make an effort to include other students of color from our school into their organization or their platforms. So that's been my entire journey here in this movement is just trying to push my voice and not only my voice but those that look like me and sharing my platform that I gained on my own with those that don't have the opportunity. Tatiana Yeah, I would add on that I got involved in activism before, like pre March for Our Lives and like pre that national youth gun violence prevention movement after I lost my aunt to gun violence. And so there wasn't really ever a space for like, my peers in Milwaukee. We didn't have that space. No one was like, really listening. And then when, like the walkouts happening like March 2018 for the Parkland shooting it was like, “oh, oh my gosh all this stuff is happening!” But we had to kind of, like, capitalize off of another shooting that happened in like another community. And I figure they'll listen to us and like that doesn't that doesn't feel good like that. Like, these things are both very tragic. And they shouldn't have to, like, use this other very tragic thing so people will listen to, like, what happened in, like, Milwaukee and like happened to the students at my high school. So it was, it was like, a little frustrating that, like, this whole like, okay, now this happened and then we have to kind of like use this for our benefit and it doesn't feel good because no one wants to listen...no one will just wanna listen to us. JJ I would imagine that that's incredibly frustrating and a way that is really hard to articulate, because no one wants to be in this movement to begin with, right? And then you feel like you have to be in this movement, but then to feel like you have to fight just to get heard at the same level of other people who have the exact same, or as close to it experience that you've had, the same background, the same skill set.
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