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Parliamentary Debates (Hansard) Monday Volume 545 21 May 2012 No. 7 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Monday 21 May 2012 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2012 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through The National Archives website at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/information-management/our-services/parliamentary-licence-information.htm Enquiries to The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU; e-mail: [email protected] 823 21 MAY 2012 824 that forces up and down the country are now looking—as House of Commons they have done for several years, including under the last Labour Government—at bringing in the private Monday 21 May 2012 sector to their forces where they feel that functions can be done more cost-effectively by the private sector. But I have also made it clear—as I did at the Police Federation The House met at half-past Two o’clock conference last week—that we will not move the powers of warranted officers from officers to the private sector. PRAYERS Philip Davies (Shipley) (Con): One of the most pointless, expensive and time-wasting aspects of the bureaucracy [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] that the police have to deal with is the equality and diversity industry that mushroomed under the last Labour Government, which I saw for myself when I visited West Yorkshire police on Friday. Could I meet the Oral Answers to Questions Home Secretary or the Minister for Policing and Criminal Justice to discuss how we can streamline this process so that we can get more resources on to the front line? HOME DEPARTMENT Mrs May: It is entirely right that we encourage the police to see more diversity in their ranks. There are The Secretary of State was asked— many ways in which we do want to see more women and people from black and minority ethnic communities Police (Administrative Burden) joining the police force and being able to press through the ranks, but my hon. Friend makes the important 1. Eric Ollerenshaw (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Con): point that in looking at these issues we do not want What steps she is taking to reduce the burden of bureaucratic processes to take over. Either I or my right administration on police. [108027] hon. Friend the Minister for Policing and Criminal Justice will meet him to discuss this. The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mrs Theresa May): I have made it clear that police Mr David Hanson (Delyn) (Lab): Even if I accepted should focus on cutting crime and not on doing paperwork. what the Home Secretary said about the changes in That is why I have already announced a package of administrative burdens, the reality is that 16,000 police policies that will cut police bureaucracy, saving up to officers are being lost. Last week at the Police Federation 4.5 million police hours per year, the equivalent of putting conference, they told me that 20% cuts would lead to more than 2,100 officers back on the beat. administrative workloads increasing, not decreasing. Only today, the chief constable of Dyfed-Powys warned Eric Ollerenshaw: Does my right hon. Friend agree of “an austerity crime wave”as a result of the Government’s that the election of police commissioners in six months’ approach to policing. Will the Home Secretary now time should allow a much more localised focus on recognise that despite any package of policies she takes lifting these burdens and enabling more police time to forward on administration, there will be fewer police on be spent on the front line? the beat and more administrative work to do? Mrs May: I do agree. My hon. Friend makes an Mrs May: No, the whole point of the approach the important point about role of police and crime Government are taking is that we are cutting the commissioners. They will indeed be the voice of local bureaucracy for police to enable them to spend more policing, and I am sure that as such they will want to time on the beat. The challenge is this: I was willing to ensure that police officers are spending as much of their go to the Police Federation conference and be absolutely time fighting crime—and not doing paperwork—as they honest with the police about what we are doing. I trust can, and that they will be a powerful force in removing that the message that the shadow Home Secretary and bureaucracy from the police. the shadow policing Minister gave to the police was that Labour Front Benchers support the same level of cuts Keith Vaz (Leicester East) (Lab): In evidence to the Select in funding as the Government are putting through, and Committee, the chief constables of the West Midlands the impact that that would have. I wonder if the shadow and Surrey informed the Committee that £5 million had policing Minister told the police about his view that been allocated to work with the private sector in order £600 million should be taken out of police overtime. to cut costs and reduce administrative burdens. Given what happened at the Police Federation conference Tom Brake (Carshalton and Wallington) (LD): last week, would it not be a good idea for the Home Exempting the National Crime Agency from the Freedom Secretary to sit down with all the stakeholders to discuss of Information Act will reduce the administrative burden exactly what the role of the police should be in the on the police, but will the Home Secretary set out how 21st century, rather than there being a public dispute the principles of transparency and accountability will between the Government and the police? be upheld in the way that the NCA operates? Mrs May: I have made it absolutely clear that the Mrs May: I am happy to give my right hon. Friend focus of the police is on fighting crime. I have set them what I hope will be reassurance on this issue. We are only one target, which is to cut crime. Indeed, it is right clear that the NCA, when it is set up, should be transparent 825 Oral Answers21 MAY 2012 Oral Answers 826 about how it operates and we will set out clearly those Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab): No, it’s not. aspects that we expect it to be transparent about and publish information on. However, given the nature of Karen Bradley: I apologise; I meant migration. Will many of the cases that it will deal with and some of the the Minister tell the House what the Government are information behind those cases, it is right that we exempt doing to break the link between coming here temporarily it from the FOI. It is our intention that, on those and settling here permanently? matters that it can tell the public about, it is as transparent as possible. Damian Green: One of the many failures of the previous Government was that they made settlement an Non-EU Migrant Cap automatic consequence of five years’ residence in the UK. Settlement in the UK is a privilege, not a right, and 2. Harriett Baldwin (West Worcestershire) (Con): unrestricted settlement rights are not in the UK’s best What assessment she has made of the effectiveness of interests. The changes we implemented in April will the permanent cap on non-EU work migrants after its mean that, from April 2016, those wishing to settle here first year of operation. [108028] will have to earn a minimum salary of £35,000 or the appropriate rate for the job, whichever is higher. That is 4. Iain Stewart (Milton Keynes South) (Con): What better for the long-term health of our immigration system. assessment she has made of the effectiveness of the permanent cap on non-EU work migrants after its first Mr Frank Field (Birkenhead) (Lab): Given that the year of operation. [108030] Government have just released data showing that one in five unemployed households contain a member who has 10. Karen Bradley (Staffordshire Moorlands) (Con): never had a job, is there not a case, while this recession What assessment she has made of the effectiveness of lasts, for temporarily restricting movement generally the permanent cap on non-EU work migrants after its from Europe, so that the Government’s welfare reforms first year of operation. [108036] can have a fair wind? The Minister for Immigration (Damian Green): The Damian Green: I have great admiration for the right annual limit, together with other measures such as hon. Gentleman’s work on immigration and welfare, raising the minimum skills level, has ensured that we but I do not think that closing off the European labour have kept the numbers of non-EU workers at sustainable market would be appropriate in a recession, because it levels while allowing employers to access the brightest would presumably apply both ways, meaning that British and best migrants. workers looking for jobs in the rest of the EU would also be badly affected. He is quite right to suggest, Harriett Baldwin: The seasonal agricultural workers however, that the problems of the British economy need scheme, which expires in December 2013, allows farmers to be solved at the same time as the severe problems in and growers to bring in workers from as far away as the eurozone. Ukraine and Moldova. Does the Minister agree that welfare reform should make it more attractive for British Fiona Mactaggart (Slough) (Lab): My impression is crops to be picked by British workers? that the fact that companies have never reached the cap in the number of available work permits suggests that it Damian Green: My hon.
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