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Clerk of the National Assembly -- Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly -- Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel -- Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) -- Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. --President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) --Vice President -Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. (Molepolole South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (Gabane-Mmankgodi) --Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) --Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) --Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security -Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) --Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) --Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services -Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. (Mogoditshane) - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) --Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) --Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) --Minister of Basic Education -Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology -Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry -Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) --Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

-Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration -Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development -Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Development -Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) --Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (Lentsweletau-Mmopane) --Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) --Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry -Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) --Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

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RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP. Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-Gweta Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West Hon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. Mmadinare Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. Thamaga-Kumakwane Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of Opposition) Maun West Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. (Opposition Whip) Tonota Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP Mahalapye East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. C. K. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. Shoshong Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. Ghanzi South Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE FIRST SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 03 MARCH, 2020

CONTENTS PAGE (S)

SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENTS...... 1

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 1-7

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY

Appropriation (2020/2021) Bill, 2020 (No. 2 of 2020)

Organisation 0400 - Ministry of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Resumed Debate...... 8-17

Organisation 0700 - Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry...... 18-39

Tuesday 3rd March, 2020 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

Tuesday 3rd March, 2020 (ii) if the disparities that exist in the Government pay structure are satisfactory. THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC P R A Y E R S ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): Thank you Mr Speaker. * * * * (i) Mr Speaker, the general public service salaries SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENTS and allowances are set out in Directives issued by the Directorate of Public Service Management MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Order! Order! (DPSM) from time to time. In terms of the current Honourable Members, I understand we have visitors Directives, the lowest civil servant is paid a total from Motswedi Junior Secondary School in Honourable Balopi’s constituency; Gaborone North. They are our of P2 524.40 per month, consisting of P2 072.00 visitors. They have their teachers accompanying them. as basic salary and P452.40 as housing and upkeep allowance. The highest civil servant on HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… the other hand is paid a total salary of P83 941.91 MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, bana ba teng! Honourable per month, comprising of P81 019.00 as a basic Members, in accordance with Standing Order No. 99.1; salary, P1 302.53 as entertainment allowance and I hereby inform you that the Committee of Selection met P1 678.82 as housing allowance. However, it is nd on Monday 2 of March 2020 to consider proposal for possible for the appointing authority where he allocation of Parliamentary Committees to members. I deems it appropriate, to pay a higher salary than am therefore, pleased to announce that the following that which is set out in the Directives. Honourable Members have been appointed to the following Parliamentary Committees; (ii) The current pay structure is being reviewed to • Honourable Motsamai - Committee on National close existing gaps. The intention is to establish Assembly staff, and to the Committee on Subsidiary a reward system that attracts, motivates and retain Legislation; employees of the right talent and competencies. The principle is to come up with an integrated • Honourable Thiite - Committee on Governance and performance-based reward and recognition system Oversight; that motivates employees and provide an objective basis for rewarding public employees for their • The following Honourable Members have been actual performance. Within the just concluded appointed to the Special Select Committee on agreement between Government and recognized Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs); Honourable trade unions, the parties have agreed to finalise Saleshando, Honourable Tshere, Honourable a remuneration policy and develop a new salary Mmolotsi, Honourable Reatile, Honourable Majaga, structure for the public service by June 2020. Honourable Pule, Honourable Kapinga, Honourable The policy will set direction for decision making Ramogapi and Honourable Dr Dow. regarding all aspects of remuneration in the Order! Order! Honourable Members, let us now proceed Botswana Public Service. Thank you Mr Speaker. to questions. MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Thank you QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Honourable Minister, I appreciate the answer. What I wanted to find out from you regarding what you have DISPARITIES IN GOVERNMENT PAY just told Parliament, that when the appointing authority STRUCTURE deems fit, can decide that a payment above the P83 000 plus that you have stated, can be paid. The question MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE is, is there anyone currently employed in the civil WEST): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, service who is getting a salary above the P83 000 plus Governance and Public Administration to state: that you stated? If so, how much is that amount? I ask (i) how much the lowest and highest civil servant this question Right Honourable Speaker, because the gets paid as salary and allowances per month; and question as it is, would have necessitated the Minister

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to provide the two figures because it could fall either of anyone of them, who was above P83 000.00, then you way. What I was actually looking for, was how much the can bring out that information. Thank you Mr Speaker. highest employed civil servant gets per month currently? MR LUCAS: Supplementary. Ke ne ke tsaya gore MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker. The potso e mo legatong la yone la bobedi, e ne e botsa gore, answer to your question is that, there is privity of ka yo o amogelang kwa tlase o amogela P2 500.00, yo o contract between the Government and anyone of its kwa godimo ka kgwedi o amogela P83 000.00, a wena employees. If you had any information regarding any o bona pharologanyo e, e siame, e bile e amogelesega? public employee or civil servant in respect of that salary, Thank you. then you should have come out and asked a direct question to that effect, or provided that figure. As for MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker. That now, because we are bound by that privity of contract is the current Government grading system. As we have between the Government and its employees, or anyone said in our answer, there is a review going on and it has of its employees, then we cannot divulge that for now. been agreed that it should be concluded by June 2020 Thank you Mr Speaker. this year. I believe if there are any worries about the disparity in salaries, they will be addressed through the MR KEORAPETSE: Further supplementary. Can review process and the pros to be adopted thereafter. you refer us to any ordinance, rules or regulation Thank you Mr Speaker. or a clause in a contract which binds Government which uses taxpayer’s money to pay civil servants to MR TSHERE: Supplementary. Thank you very hide how much they are paid? I have never seen that much Honourable Speaker. I wanted to know from the because anybody paid from the public coffers, is public Honourable Minister, the P83 000.00 you are talking knowledge. Minister, can you state the highest paid civil about as the highest paid public officer, does it involve servant currently employed, and is paid above P83 000 the private sector including University of Botswana plus? How much are they paid? I am not looking for (UB)? Thank you. the name or the position of that person, I am looking MR MTHIMKHULU: The question was very narrow for a figure. When you say, ‘the contract,’ who are you and it referred only to public servants. I cannot answer exactly referring to because I have not referred to any for the private sector because they are not part and specific individual? I am asking for a figure; how much? parcel of Government. Thank you Mr Speaker.

MR MTHIMKHULU: Thank you Mr Speaker. There AUDIT QUERY DURING THE BANK OF are many civil servants in the public services who are BOTSWANA AUDIT employed, and who their salaries may be more than the current payment structure of the public service. I do MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister not know which one you are specifically talking about of Finance and Economic Development if there was any because there are quite many of them. audit query during the Bank of Botswana audit from the year 2007 to date; and if so, to state: HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… (i) the type of audit query, if any; and MR MTHIMKHULU: That is why I said, if you had any particular knowledge, about any particular (ii) whether the audit query was addressed or is employee with his salary, the amount that is paid per pending. month, you should have come out and said, “I know this MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC person is paid this amount per month.” Can you confirm DEVELOPMENT (DR MATSHEKA): Mr Speaker, because I am saying that, there are so many employees in the public service, hundreds of them, who may be (i) the bank has consistently obtained clean audit earning more than what is prescribed in the White Paper. reports, issued by independent external auditors throughout its existence, including all the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... annual financial year end audits for the years MR MTHIMKHULU: I am saying, there are many 2007 to 2018. The 2019 audit is currently on- public service …(Interruptions)… the answer is simple, going. Mr Speaker, consistent with the bank’s there are many out there and if you have any knowledge statutory requirements, it will be presented to

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the Audit and Risk Committee and the board at MR RAKGARE: I just wanted to make that clear, I their respective meetings of 26th and 27th March, missed you so much. 2020. Furthermore, through a management letter, the independent external auditors occasionally (i) Mr Speaker, the monthly rental for the ministry raised queries of a house keeping nature, as part headquarters building is P1 240 490.00 (excluding of value additions to the continuous improvement VAT). programme for the bank’s operations, control (ii) Mr Speaker, the leasing of the annexe building environment and risk management processes. is necessary given the staff complement and (ii) I am therefore confirming that none of the issues office space requirements of the ministry and its are pending, nor have we received any major audit departments. The three storey building has a total query to warrant reporting to this House. Thank floor area of 2820 square metres and it houses you Mr Speaker. the Botswana National Library Service, Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture MR RAMOGAPI: Supplementary. Thank you Development (MYSC) Gaborone District offices, Honourable Speaker. A Tona o ka tlhalosetsa Ntlo e e the Public Relations Unit and the ministry’s tlotlegang e gore these auditors are independent, are of Communication Centre. quality and ke batho ba seriti se se rileng, ga go belaetse le fa e le sepe? Re babalesegile ka fa o e buileng bontle (iii) Mr Speaker, the ministry has not paid for ka teng. Ke a leboga Tona. the building whilst still under construction. Procedurally, any building proposed for leasing by DR MATSHEKA: Thank you Mr Speaker. Let me Government must have an Occupation Certificate confirm to the Honourable Member that indeed the bank issued by a competent authority. When the ministry uses accredited external auditors and we are satisfied made a request to the Office Allocation Committee that they do the necessary work. I thank you. to lease the building in December 2016, it was already complete and ready for customisation and RENTALS FOR THE MINISTRY OF YOUTH occupation. The Lease Agreement commenced on EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE the 1st April 2017 and that was the time at which DEVELOPMENT’S HEADQUARTERS rental payments were effected.

MR M. S. MOLEBATSI (MMADINARE): asked the (iv) Mr Speaker, a total of P1 650 247.50 was paid as Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture rent for the period April 2017 to August 2017. This Development to state: translates to P330 049.50 per month for a period (i) how much the ministry pays as rent for its of five months. The ministry occupied the building headquarters on a monthly basis; in September 2017, following customisation or partitioning, and procurement of Information (ii) if the occupation or leasing of an annexe building and Communication Technology (ICT) works is necessary; (networking and trunking). (iii) why Government paid for the building whilst it is (v) Mr Speaker, the ministry has leased several still under construction; buildings across the country, and has complied fully with the Government Office Accommodation (iv) how much has been paid before the building was Process Guidelines as provided by the Department occupied by the ministry; and of Lands. Therefore, there has never been a time (v) how many buildings the ministry has paid for and during which the ministry paid for unoccupied the lease expired before occupancy. buildings until expiry of their leases. I thank you very much. I missed you Mr Speaker. MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR MR MOLEBATSI: Supplementary. Ke a leboga RAKGARE): Thank you Mr Speaker and good rraetsho Tona. Mma ke simolole ke re, Tona, are you afternoon. I missed you Mr Speaker. confident enough that the information e o e neelang Palamente ya gompieno, ke boammaaruri? That is the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… first one. Secondly, go boammaaruri gore you have

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leased a building kwa Kasane for three years, la e Gongwe morago ga moo Honourable Member, though duela and did not occupy it. Se o neng o se bua, ga se o sa ntheetsa, mme o mpoditse potso, ke tloga ke nna fa boammaaruri, gore ga go na se se kileng sa diragala jalo. fatshe…

Ya ntlha ya re, “how much the ministry pays as rent for HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… its headquarters on a monthly basis;” o e buile. “The occupation or leasing annexe building, is it necessary;” MR RAKGARE Nnyaa, he must listen to me. e nna necessary jang Tona? O na le floors di le seven, Honourable Member, se se tlaabong se diragala go mme floor four and five ga di dirisiwe fully. You then tswa foo ke gore, jaanong rona re le ministry, we may leased annexe eo, that is why ke botsa gore, is it partition building, re lebile our needs. Fa e le gore necessary gore o ye to lease e nngwe koo mme o na le gompieno floor e re dumela gore re batla gore re beye floors tse dingwe mo lephateng la gago o sa di dirise? top management, re dira jalo. Jaanong gongwe gore go The question is; is it necessary? Question e nngwe ke; bo go tsere sebaka, ke gore negotiations between ba “why Government paid for the building whilst it is still Department of Lands le beng ba dikago, di tsere sebaka, under construction?” Boammaaruri ke gore o dirile mme rra, e ne e se kgang e e tswang kwa go rona. lease, wa se ka wa e saena ka April… O ne o bua gore re na le floors di le seven kwa MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, put that as a headquarters, mme floor four le five are not occupied. question, instead of a statement. Se o se buang gongwe go na le boammaaruri gore floor four is not occupied but floor five I can tell you gore it MR MOLEBATSI: Thank you Mr Speaker. Why did is fully occupied. Ke ka go tsaya le gompieno ka go isa you pay for a lease kwa ministry wa gago gompieno, kwa gone koo wa ya go bona. What happened was, ka nako o leng teng? You negotiated ka April, but you occupied e nneng annexure building e o buang ka yone e sena ka September and you paid le go saena lease, o sa e go fediwa, ba ga rona ba Library, ba ne ba supa gore saena between April and September, the question is ke kana tota go ntse go na le mathata a space, mme jaaka eng o tshwanetse gore o dire jalo, a go ka fa molaong? ke setse ke tlhalositse before, ra bo re tsaya tshwetso ya Tanki. gore re ba fudusetsa kwa building e ntšha eo morago ga negotiations between those who negotiated for us le MR RAKGARE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Potso ya landlord, ga bo go raya gore ba fudugela gone koo. Fa ntlha e ne e le gore am I confident enough, yes, I am ba fudugela gone koo, ba tlogela floor four e le vacant confident enough gore what I am giving this Honourable kana e le unoccupied. Re bo re tsaya tshwetso ya gore House is true. as a ministry, re tlile to turn floor eo e le cafeteria side e nngwe ya wing, mme the other side e bo e le gore ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... Library ba tlile go tswelela ba ntse ba e dirisa. MR RAKGARE: Number two, yes ke confident, le Ke tshwanetse ke amogele Honourable Member gore Honourable Tshekedi Khama o ka ntshupela as my go diegile, mme e le dikgang tsa madi. Re ntse re predecessor. emetse madi gore a nne teng, go bo go ka felelediwa, ga tsenngwa furniture mo cafeteria eo, le bone ba Library, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... ba reka se ba se tlhokang gore ba kgone gore building MR RAKGARE: Ya Kasane Honourable Member, ga kana floor eo e kgone gore e dirisiwe. se boammaaruri gore building e ntse three years e se Ke dumela gore dipotso tse o neng o di boditse occupied. Gongwe ke go thuse Honourable Member, ka Honourable Member, ke di arabile ka botlalo. Ke a fa dikgang tse di berekang ka teng, se se diragalang ke leboga. gore ba Department of Lands, negotiate with the client kana with the owner or the landlord on our behalf. Fa MR MOLEBATSI: Supplementary Mr Speaker. Ke a re batla dikago tse re ka di dirisang as a ministry, re leboga. Kana fa ke ne ke botsa gore are you confident tshwanetse re ba itsise, ba re thuse, fa re bone gongwe enough ka dikarabo tse o re di neelang Honourable ba re, okay, re tlaa ya go sekaseka, re ikgotsofatse le rona Minister, ke gore dilo tse dingwe tse ke di tsaya mo audit go ya ka requirements tse re di ipeileng pele. Go tswa report ya ministry wa gago ya di 13th of November, 2017. foo ba tsena mo negotiations, we do not negotiate as Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, o ka ntetlelela the Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture. to quote them?

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MR SPEAKER: Yes, you can quote. MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Thank you MR MOLEBATSI: Ya re, “there was no formal lease Mr Speaker. Gongwe le nna ke dirile phoso maabane, agreement,” ke e ke neng ke bua gore o duetse go sena nkabo ke buile gore ke ntse ke go tlhwaafaletse. agreement. Ke audit report, I will share it with you. I quote, “There was no formal agreement entered in HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… between the lessor and the lessee for the building in question,” ke yone ya Kasane. “The proposed premises HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… were not occupied at the time of audit in July, 2017 MR SEGOKGO: Ee, ke tlhwaafaletse Palamente. but rental continued to be paid. The lessor had been Mr Speaker, the Nkange-Changate and Maitengwe paid Nine Hundred and Eighty-Nine Thousand, Five junction-Dagwi access roads were never planned to Hundred and Twenty Pula (P989, 520)… be constructed along with the project of resealing the HONOURABLE MEMBER: Hee banna! Tutume-Maitengwe road.

MR MOLEBATSI: …and One Million, Nine Hundred (i) Mr Speaker, the resealing of Tutume-Maitengwe and Seventy-Nine Thousand and Forty Pula (P1 979 road was part of my ministry’s road maintenance 040) on the 26th of April and 4th July respectively while programme, as such, the upgrading of access the construction was still ongoing.” It is an audit report, roads to bitumen standard could not be included I have a copy of that book. Ke dilo tse pedi gore o duetse in a maintenance project. The Access Road rent o sena lease gape construction e ntse e tsweletse, a Policy applies only to development projects but o bona go siame Honourable Minister? Thank you. construction of these two roads was not included in the Economic Stimulus Programme (ESP). MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Honourable Member. I am not privy to se se leng teng mo audit (ii) Construction of the two access roads will be report… considered for inclusion in future along with other projects. I thank you Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… DR TSHABANG: Supplementary. Honourable MR RAKGARE: What I can promise to do from here Minister, His Excellency the President, when he was ke gore, re ye go rurifatsa se o se buang Honourable addressing a Kgotla meeting in Tutume in August 2019, Member. Ga ke dumele thata gore go ka tswa go na he promised that these roads will be done this coming le boammaaruri, I just gave you the figures tsa gore re financial year or as soon as possible. Are you privy to ntse re duela jang at the ministry. So ke dumela gore that information or it was just an election tool? go botlhokwa gore re tle re boele fa morago ka gore I do not have the audit report, ke ye go e lebelela, ke tle Secondly, I want you to update us on concrete ke lebelele gore mme gone se o se buang se farologana information, whether you are ready or not to upgrade jang le se ke se neetseng Ntlo e. Ke a leboga. these roads to bitumen status because your answer is too broad and too vague, can you narrow it to a concrete REMOVAL OF SOME ACCESS ROADS FROM answer, whether you are going to upgrade them or not TUTUME-MAITENGWE ROAD PROJECT in the near future or National Development Plan (NDP) DR N. TSHABANG (NKANGE): asked the Minister 11? Thank you. of Transport and Communications if he is aware that MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga, thank you Honourable Nkange-Changate and Maitengwe junction -Dagwi Member. I am not privy to the statement you made in roads have been removed as access roads from the regards to His Excellency the President at Tutume in resealing of Tutume-Maitengwe road project, and if so, August 2019, and I am not in a position therefore to to state: start talking about whether it was purely electioneering (i) what caused their removal because initially or not. they were included in the Economic Stimulus Second, I have given you an answer with respect to Programme (ESP); and the construction of these access roads. I have said to (ii) when they will be considered for upgrading to you that, the two access roads will be considered for bitumen. inclusion in the future along with the other projects.

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Now, I am not therefore in a position to tell you that and resuscitation of the structures. The proposal they will be constructed in NDP 11. I thank you. from the committee is to have the treaty signed by the Heads of states in June 2020 on the margins PROGRESS REGARDING CREATION OF of the African Union summit. Beside the signing TRANS-FRONTIER CONSERVATION AREA of the treaty, the Trans Frontier Conservation Area MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister (TFCA) has been making good strives in terms of of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation international cross border events that are held in and Tourism to update this Honourable House on the the area which include the Nedbank Tour de Tuli progress regarding the creation of the Trans frontier which has been an annual event for the past 14 th Conservation Area involving Botswana, Zimbabwe and years, with this year being the 15 year. I hope you South Africa; and to state: know that Honourable Member. The event attracts more than 350 international cyclists. The other (i) if the progress is satisfactory; events are the 4X4 Defender Trophy, the Wild Run, the World Rangers Meet and others. (ii) the expected timeline for the completion of the project; and (ii) It is in this regard Mr Speaker, that I am happy to pronounce that besides the delay in signing (iii) the expected number of jobs to be created on the the treaty, the GMTFCA is progressing well and Botswana side once the project is completed. we are hopeful that progress will further improve MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL after the signing of the treaty in June. RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM Mr Speaker, one of the objectives of the TFCA is to (MS KERENG): Thank you Mr Speaker. I also missed promote alliances in the management of biological you Mr Speaker, and the honourable who likes asking natural resources and cultural heritage in the area by me questions every day. encouraging social, economic and other partnerships HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)... among the parties and stakeholders. This is a mammoth task which we cannot attach a time frame to. Therefore, MS KERENG: Mr Speaker, the Memorandum of the TFCA does not have an expected end date, but we Understanding (MoU) between the three countries of hope that as the treaty will be signed in June, there will Botswana, South Africa and Zimbabwe was signed in be plans that would indicate the life spans of the various 2006, and a draft treaty, ke raya ditumalano. O kwale, programmes that will be implemented. ehe, wa kwala. …was developed with inputs from all countries. The initial name in the MoU was Limpopo- (iii) Mr Speaker, I do not have an exact number of Shashe Trans Frontier Conservation Area (LSTCA), jobs expected to be created. However, it is worth noting that the TFCA presents great opportunities but in 2009 the three countries agreed to rename it to for employment and enterprise. It is also worthy the Greater Mapungubwe Trans Frontier Conservation to state that the Southern Africa Development Area (GMTFCA). The reason cited for naming this Community (SADC)-TFCA network is intending area Mapungubwe was that all three countries had sites to have the TFCA trail map developed which called Mapungubwe following the Iron Age civilisation. will facilitate marketing of our tourism products, therefore creating more employment opportunities. However, on the verge of finalising the draft treaty, Thank you Mr Speaker. Botswana proposed a name change to revert back to the original name of LSTFCA. This scenario stalled the HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. progress in terms of the signing of the treaty until 2019, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o re procedure after negotiations I suppose, when Botswana withdrew kana…(Inaudible).. her wish for name change. This explains the delays in finalising the treaty. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

(i) In terms of progress Mr Speaker, the trilateral MR LUCAS: Supplementary. Ke ne ke re o tlhomamise technical committee of the three nations met on gore wa re the delay in signing of this treaty, e dirilwe ke th the 27 February, 2020 in Johannesburg to map gore re ne re lwela leina, o e tlhomamise yone eo o re ee, a way forward regarding the signing of the treaty mme re ne re lwela leina kgotsa jang.

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Sa bobedi ke re, go solofelwa ditiro mo thulaganyong project frameworks tse di tlaabong re tsenya Batswana e fa e sena go wediwa ka June 2020 fa ke go utlwile mo ditirong ka tsone. Ke a leboga. sentle, mme o ne o re ga o na kabelelo ya palo ya ditiro tseo. Ke re mehuta ya ditiro tseo tse re di solofelang RENAL KIDNEY RELATED ILLNESSES IN tse di nang le pharologanyo fa tumalano e e sena go BOTSWANA saeniwa, e ka nna dife? MR D. TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): asked MS KERENG: O tlaa senyediwa ke supplementaries the Minister of Health and Wellness to apprise this tse di ka fa thoko tse. Mr Speaker, e ne e se go lwela Honourable House on renal kidney related illnesses in leina. E rile go ntse go tsweletse, Botswana ene a bo a Botswana and to state: eletsa gore re tswe kwa leineng leo re boele kwa go lele (i) how many renal care centers are in the country, lantlha la Limpopo-Shashe ka mabaka a a neng gongwe both in the public and private sector; a ne a ntshiwa ka nako eo. Se se botlhokwa ke gore, go boetswe kwa leineng lone lele, le le gokaganyang (ii) how many patients have been or are under renal mafatshe a mararo ale. Go ne go sa lowe, ga ke ise ke care in Botswana in the past ten (10) years; utlwe gore a go ne go na le ntwa rra, mme fa e ne e le (iii) what is the total cost of treating these patients on a teng go raya gore ke eo e arabesegile ka gore go boetswe yearly basis for the past ten (10) years; kwa ditumalanong. (iv) how many patients have lost their lives while Rraetsho, ditiro, gore re tle re itse gore go ka nna ditiro under renal care at each of the renal centers in the tse gotweng mang, tse go ka nnang jang, tota re tlile go last ten (10) years; kaediwa (guided) ke the project that will be agreed ka the implementation framework ya treaty. Ke dumela gore (v) how many patients were able to have a successful jaaka re bua ka tourism le natural resources projects, kidney replacement surgery and the number of ke ditiro tsa batho ba e leng gore ba tlaabo ba iphira those who were unsuccessful in the last ten (10) bone, ba dira dilo tse di ka rekisiwang jaaka bo the arts years; and crafts jalo. Ba ba tlaabong ba le mo bojanaleng ba (vi) the challenges associated with this special dira tourism activities ba aga lodges, guest houses and treatment; catering activities related to tourism, ke tsone mefuta ya ditiro eo. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. (vii) the Ministry’s future plans in relation to establishment of the Organ Bank, kidney HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Supplementary. replacement facilities or any policy on kidney related illnesses; and MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary. (viii) the impact of kidney related illnesses on the socio MR NKAWANA: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr economic status of patients in view of frequent Speaker. Honourable Minister, ke botsa gore a ga le mo travels to and from the renal centres. seemong sa go ka nna le seabe mo lefatsheng lone le go buiwang ka lone on the Botswana side? Ke botsa se ka Later Date. gore, all of it is owned by private people. Ke a leboga. CONDOM MANUFACTURING PLANT IN MS KERENG: Ke tsaya gore se re se buang se supa BOTSWANA seabe se re tlaabong re na le sone re le Botswana. Se MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the e leng gore is owned by private people, ga o tlhalose Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry to apprise gore a o raya e le Batswana, re tlaabo re ntse re le mo this Honourable House if she is aware that a group of moonong one oo, wa go nonotsha Batswana. Batswana operated a condom manufacturing plant in Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore e tlaa re tsweledisa Botswana; if so, to state: go diragatsa tumalano e, re tlaabo re lebeletse gore (i) the current status of that company; Batswana ba direlwe ditshono tsa go ka tsena mo ditirong tse di ka ba tsenyetsang letseno la madi, le re tlaabong (ii) how many Batswana were employed by that re lebeletse gore there must be a lot of opportunities company and the number the company projected which we will be identified in the implementation and to employ cumulatively over a five (5) year period;

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(iii) the total value of condoms imported into Botswana, ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE and the specific value procured by Government (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) while that company was in operation; APPROPRIATION (2020/2021) BILL, (iv) what support the company required from 2020 (NO. 2 OF 2020) Government; and ORGANISATION 0400 - MINISTRY OF (v) the support and incentives Government provided NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND and failed to, with reasons thereof. GENDER AFFAIRS Later Date. (Resumed Debate)

CAPACITY OF THE NATIONAL VETERINARY MR CHAIRPERSON (MR SKELEMANI): Order! LABORATORY Order! Honourable Members, the debate on this organisation is resuming. When the House adjourned MR M. R. REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): yesterday, Honourable Kekgonegile was on the floor asked the Minister of Agricultural Development and and he was left with 5 minutes 47 seconds. Honourable Food Security to state: Members, please be reminded that the Honourable Minister will be asked to reply to the debate at 15:20. (i) if the National Veterinary Laboratory has capacity and the question will be put at 15:49. to provide a list of the various diseases that can be decreased by this National Veterinary Laboratory MR KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): Thank you Mr (NVL); Chairperson. Mma re dumedise maitseboa a gompieno. Ke ipotsa gore sesupanako (watch) se se berekile jang. (ii) if the NVL has the capacity to test and diagnose Golo fale o kare e ne e le 7 minutes 47 seconds. Go tlaa diseases like; liver, kidney or white blood cells re e baakanngwe. and to release results within a day or two; Mr Chairperson, maabane ke ne ke bua ka gore kana (iii) if he is aware that most veterinary practitioners kgang ya Gender Based Violence (GBV); kgokgontsho end up using human private laboratories like ya bomme, go sekisa babelaelwa kana badiramolato diagnofirm for the above mentioned; and if so, ga se gone; ga go bonale. Gone moo fela ka bogone whether the public should trust such diagnosis fa go ka diragala (prosecution), go ka siamela batho e made by machines calibrated for humans; bile batho ba ka itse gore go molato go dira jalo. Kana (iv) whether the laboratory has serious limitations le fa re itumelela gore Honourable Leuwe ke yo o re on issues of efficiency and why the department thusitse mme fa go ne go diragetse jalo, re ka bo re bua places such time and monetary cost on veterinary the former Minister, gore re kile ra bona gore dikgato di practitioners who are assisting farmers, for a tsewa. Le ene yo o mo Palamenteng gompieno yo o example, a sample is taken to the laboratory tshwenyang, nkabo go ntse go bonala gore go diragala to be checked by a doctor before export to a eng. laboratory in South Africa and the same veterinary practitioners have to come back again to the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Ministry of Agricultural Development and Food Security Headquarters to seek an import permit MR KEKGONEGILE: Computerisation of the for the same sample; ministry (v) if it is ideal to house these two tests in the same Honourable Minister, o buile ka gore o tlaa tsenya compound; and dibalamakgolo le mafoko at the borders. Re tlaa re ipotsa gore kana ke Government system which will be (vi) how many times the NVL runs tests countrywide attached to Government Accounting and Budgeting in a year to detect any disease so that they can System (GABS). What are your precautionary measures send an early warning to the farmers based on the or mitigating factors fa GABS e setse e na le mathata laboratory results. a yone? A ga re ye go iphitlhela e le gore batho kwa Later Date. melelwaneng ga ba kgone go duela lekgetho le eng jalo

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fa ba tsena ka gore dibalamakgolo jaanong ke tseo, ga di ntseng jaana di a fetelela. Motho wa teng fa a tswa go sa tlhole go dirisiwa manual le tse dingwe fela jalo? mo baneng ba bangwe a gola a nyala, go fetela kwa A mme ga re tseye mathata a GABS a a mo Gaborone le mosading kana kwa monneng. Go batla gore fa a le kalo ministries tse dingwe batho ba sa kgone go duelwa re a a bo a sedimosetswa, a itsisiwe ka GVB. isa kwa melelwaneng? Letseno la rona le tlaa nna jang? This budget must answer that. Honourable Minister, maloba re fetisitse Motion fa re le Palamente wa default position. Ga re ise re bone sepe O buile thata ka GVB mme o ganeletse mo workshop ya gompieno go supa gore o dira sengwe ka gone. O na Dikgosi. Ke ipotsa gore Dikgosi batho ba le kanakana, le tshwanelo ya moratorium gore o kwale fela o reye ke eng workshop ya bone e tlaa nankolwa mo workshops regions o re fetisang dilo tse, mme ga o a dira jalo. Se re tse di kanakana? Motho o ipotsa gore naare yone se bonyeng o se dira Tona, e ne e le go kwalela regions workshop e fa e sena go nna e direlwa Dikgosi, what is fela o di raya o re tswelelang le screen dikopo tsa batho the target? What are the intended goals tsa workshop e tsa citizenship. Rona kana kwa North West ga re itse tse e leng gore Dikgosi go tswa fa, di tlaa ya go fokotsa gore gatwe Modimo tota re o dirile eng. Ke eng re seyo GVB ka tsone? Ga re utlwe o re re rutuntsheditse mo lekwalong la teng rona kwa North West mme e le Dikgosi e seng kitso fela, le gore mo tirong ya bone ba rona ba re tsositseng kgang re re re na le mathata a le bo ba kgona to interpret molao o o ntseng jaana le jaana kana? Ke a leboga Mr Chairperson. gore kgokgontsho ya bomme e fokotsege. Ga re utlwe seo. Re utlwa fela e le gore ke workshops; typical of MINISTER OF TERTIARY EDUCATION, Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) workshops tse di RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY tletseng lefatshe le lotlhe tse go yang go jewa fela. Fa go (DR LETSHOLATHEBE): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo. sena go nna go jewa, go nniwa fa fatshe go a kwalwa fa Mma le nna ke eme nokeng Tona wa Nationality, gore, “re ne re ile workshop kwa.” Immigration and Gender Affairs mo kopong ya gagwe ya madi ya ngwaga wa 2020/2021. Ke go lebogele kopo Re ikuela thata Minister gore budget e tsholofelo ya ya gago e e tlhapileng Tona. Le nna ke tseye sebaka se rona mo go yone e ne e le gore re bua ka establishment go akgela. Bontsi bo akgetse mo puong ya gago. Ke ya of safe houses for victims of GVB, mme ga re utlwe sepe se se ntseng jalo gore mo budget e, re ikaelela go ya go go itebaganya thata le kgaolo e ke tswang kwa go yone. bona lefatshe fale, kana kwa, kwa e leng gore re ya go Modulasetilo, kgaolo e ke e emetseng ya Tati East, ke aga safe houses teng for victims tsa GBV. Batho ba a e e bapileng thata le molelwane. Bontsi jwa metse ya ketekwa, ga gona kwa ba yang teng. Ga go na kwa ba rona e bapile le metse ya Zimbabwe. Ka jalo, dikgang tshelelang teng, kwa ba sielang teng. Ba felela ba boela tsa mesepele ke tse di re amang fela thata. Ke go leboge gone kwa ba kitikiwang teng. Go raya gore jaanong Tona gore go lebega o ikaeletse go di tsibogela. lephata la gago is not doing enough mo seemong se se Kgang e o buang ka yone ya one-stop border post, ke ntseng jalo. nngwe ya dikgang tse ke di ratileng fela thata. Tona, fa o O buile ka positive male role models. Ke selo se se ka ya kwa ga rona ka fa kwa molelwaneng wa Zimbabwe, siameng mme potso e nna gore a se siame se buiwa o ka tlhomoga pelo. Gantsi o ka fitlhela mela ya teng e le kana se diragatswa? Budget e ya reng mo go diragatseng meleele fela thata. O fitlhela e le gore o a fola ka kwano, lenaneo le le ntseng jalo? Kana gatwe, e ojwa le sale o bo o boa o ya go fola ka kwa Plumtree. Se ke tsaya metsi. Fa e ne e le gore Honourable Minister o re gore gongwe o ka tswa o se tlhaloganya, o itse gore bolelela gore o ya to influence curriculum jang at bontsi jwa ba garona ka kwa ba reka mo Francistown. secondary level gore bana ba basimane ba kgone go Ka jalo, ke sone se se dirang gore go nne le mela e e tlhaloganya gore GVB e maswe go le kae. Lephata la kalokalo. Ke tsaya gore kgang e fa o ka e diragatsa e gago le dira go le kae to go to the schools and visit bana ka thusa fela thata gore metsamao ya kwa melelwaneng ba ba bannyennyane gore ba itse gore GVB ga se yone? e nne botoka. Se se ka dira gore tshenyetso-setšhaba e tokafale, e ke belaelang gore e ka tswa e diragala. Ke Ya school curriculum e batla gore o e tseye tsia etle ke re fa ke le fale ke bona ba bangwe e le gore rona Honourable Minister ka gore le fa re re le ojwa le fa re fodile, bone ga ba fole. Ke belaela gore gongwe sale metsi, videos tse re di bonang tse, bana ba sekole le tšhotšho e a feta kwa tlase ga ditafole. Fa o ka dira ba di romelela ba bangwe gore ba e tla, ba tlile go ba se Tona, se ka thusa kgang ya tshenyetso-setšhaba e ke tshwenya, ba betsa barutabana ka dimpama, dilo tse belaelang e diragala.

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Modulasetilo, e re ka ke sa tswa go bua gore re bapile bontsi jwa bone ga ba na bo Omang. O ne a solofetsa le lefatshe la Zimbabwe, bontsi jwa masika a rona ba gore o tlaa romela lekoko go tla go lebagana le kgang ka kwa, jaanong ke kopa gore mosepele o tokafadiwe eo, mme ka go tlhoka lesego go bo go raya gore term ya fa gare ga mafatshe a rona. Go ka re thusa fela thata. gagwe e fela a ise a e sale morago. Mme ke tsaya gore o Sengwe se ke ka se kopang Tona ke gore, o lebelele kgang tlaa sala kgang e morago. ya go ka dira motshelakgabo, gongwe go bapa le motse o tshwana Siviya, e ka thusa thata. Metse e e ka kwa O buile mo puong ya gago gore Omang is used for Zimbabwe o fitlhela e le bo around 10 to 15 kilometers social, economic and political benefits. Ka jalo, go from bo Siviya, Senyawe le Jackalas Number 2, mme o tlhoka Omang ga bontsi jwa banni ba rona kwa Tati fitlhela e le gore ka re dirisa molelwane o le mongwefela Siding go ba rontsha ditshwanelo tse. Ke tsaya gore o wa Ramokgwebana, motho o tlhokana le go tsamaya bo tla e tsibogela fela thata mme. Ke kopa gore o sekaseke close to 200 kilometers a ya phitlhong kana lenyalo la kgang ya go bula ofisi ya Omang. Go na le diofisi tsa masika, a dikologa, a ya kwa Ramokgwebana. Ke tsaya Puso mo Tati Siding tse di sa dirisiweng, gongwe fa o gore kgang e ya motshelakgabo e ka thusa fela thata, ka ka thusa ka go bula ofisi ya Omang mo Tati Siding, o ka gore bontsi jwa batho go lebega jaanong ba itseela melao thusa bontsi jwa banni ba Tati Siding le go bapa, ka gore mo matsogong a bone, ba tlhaga terata, ba e senya. Ke ba tsamaya mosepele e meleele go ya go bona thuso mo tsaya gore re le bantsi re tlhaloganya gore terata ele e re diofising tsa gago. Fa o ka thusa ka kgang e e ntseng jalo ama go le kana ka eng fa go tla kwa leruong. Dikgang o tlaabo o thusitse thata. I realised that a lot of people do not have information. Fa o ka romela batho ba gago tsa bo Foot and Mouth Disease (FMD)… ba ya go ruta batho kwa dikgaolong tsa rona sentle, gore MR MOTSAMAI: Elucidation. Thank you Mr they renounce fa go diragetse jang, kana go rileng. O Chairperson. Ke ne ke re tota kgang e Tona Letsholathebe tlaabo o thusitse. a e buang, motshelakgabo o a buang ka one o, ba bangwe Kgang ya Visa ke nngwe ya tse ke di ratileng fela thata ga ba tlhaloganye sentle. Ke tomelele ke re kana o raya mo kopong ya ga Tona. Diphetogo tse o ikaeletseng go sort of molelwanenyana, fa batho ba ka kgonang go di dira ke tse di supang gore e le ruri o tsaya kgang ya nna ba feta teng, go se kgakala le melelwane. Ke gore o transformation ka tlhwaafalo. Introduction ya go neela tsamaelana le kgang e ke letseng ke e bua ke re e dirwe baeng Visas fa ba goroga kwa kgorong ya melelwane, fa kgaolong ele ya Kole, kwa Ghanzi South. Ke tsaya e ka tokafatsa thata tirisanyo ya rona le mafatshe gore o bua ka sengwe se se tshwanang le seo, gore batho a mangwe. E ka tokafatsa thata the way re ka dirang ba se ka ba ya go kgabaganya kgakala. kgwebo le mafatshe a mangwe le tsa bojanala. Ke re ke DR LETSHOLATHEBE: Ke a leboga Honourable go lebogele seo, gore fa se ka dirwa ka bonako se ka re Motsamai, o thusitse thata ka gore motshelakgabo ke solegela molemo. raya yone kgang e o neng o e bua maloba. Ke tsaya gore HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… sometimes you do not need to put the rules on the road, o fitlhela e le gore batho ga ba na option, mme ba felela DR LETSHOLATHEBE: Introduction ya the multiple ba gataka Molao. Modulasetilo, kgang nngwe e ke ka entry Visas and automatically issuing of resident lekang go buisana ka yone le Tona is issue of renouncing, permits for people ba ba nang le work permits, le yone kgang e e re tsentse fa le fa mo kgaolong ya rona. Go na ke kgang e re tshwanetseng go berekela ka bonako. Re le banni ba le bantsi ba ba senang bo Omang. Maloba fa na le bomaitseanape ba bangwe ba e leng gore the way ke enda-enda mo kgaolong ke kopa tlhopho, ke ne ka re dirang dilo ka teng mono ba itsapa go tla go bereka makala e le gore le batho ba ke tsayang gore ke a ba itse, mo lefatsheng la rona, ka gore re ntse re dira dilo ka ba nkgodisitse, ka fitlhela ba sena bo Omang. Bontsi bonya. Gongwe fa o ka di tsibogela Tona di ka re thusa. jwa bone e nna phitlhêla kgomo ya serotswana, ba tsaya gore fa ba tswela kwa ntle ba ka busetswa ka kwa. Ke Ke fetse ka gore ke tlatse Honourable Molale, mo tsaya gore ke kgang e e utlwisang botlhoko. E ne ya kgannyeng ya gagwe ya maabane ya Omang, gore re ka nako eo ka utlwa botlhoko thata, ka ba ka leletsa a tokafadiwe. Fa o ka berekisana le bangwe ba ba Tona wa nako eo Rre Ngaka Ngaka, mme ka bolesego o tshwanang le transport, Omang a tlhabololwa, a ne a tlola a tla go reetsa gore bothata e ka tswa e le eng. tsenngwa chip, re lese go tlhola re rwele dipatšhe di sena O ne a makala le ene a fitlhela e le gore batho thatathata madi, di tletse dikarata tse di kanakana. Omang o ka dira mo kgaolong ya Jakalas Number 2 le Matshelagabedi dilo tse dintsintsi tse di ka re thusang. Ke tsaya gore ke

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kgakololo e ntle fela thata, gongwe fa o ka buisana le ba Agreement (MoA) that this ministry has initiated, that bangwe seo se ka diragala. Ke a leboga Modulasetilo. has just entered in between Botswana and Namibia, to facilitate the crossing of small communities near border MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS posts so that they do not have to come to the capitals AND COOPERATION (DR DOW): Thank you Mr or big cities to get passports. I was appreciating that a Chairperson for giving me this opportunity to contribute passport would rather come as a document. I think they to this debate. I stand to support the budget proposals must certainly be applauded for that. There is another presented by the Minister… thing that I think they should be applauded for, it is the HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… Botswana Blue Card. I know that there are some people who are arguing for dual citizenship for adults, and DR DOW: Thank you very much Honourable Moatlhodi I think everybody in this House who is a Member of for wishing me well. Mr Chairperson, first of all I must Parliament appreciates that you cannot introduce that premise my remarks by saying this is a particularly unless and until we actually amend the Constitution important ministry, because almost all rights flow itself. Simple reason being that; if we had to introduce from what this ministry does, they record your birth. If dual citizenship for adults today, it is quite possible that they fail to do so, it is going to be a very tough time, we can have somebody sitting in this House, who is a because one day you are going to have to prove that citizen of this country and another country. Therefore, you are five years old and you need to start school or usually, we are more of the proponents that we need that you are a citizen. It is important because many of to go to the Constitution to make it impossible to be the citizen’s rights flow from what this ministry does. a President of this country while holding a citizenship It decides when you are of age, whether it is the age of of this country and of another. To limit dual citizenship 16, that is based on the records that they keep of you for adults is to cover certain key leadership positions at your birth. It records your change of status, whether out of that. I think when they step inside, while we are you are married or not married, thus status from which negotiating this dual citizenship for adults’ proposal, other kinds of rights flow, in the custody of this ministry, let us introduce Botswana Blue Card. I think that was and of course it also records your death. So it is a very a very good step because at the end of the day, a former important ministry, and not only that, when you choose Botswana citizen who is a citizen of another country… to associate with others, it is this ministry that has got the records as to whether or not you are a member of this HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... society or not. It also in some way guards our borders, DR DOW: …and I am sure Rre Molale will keep quiet because it is this ministry that decides who can come in, in a minute, so that I do not have to listen to him. All in terms of Visas and the right documentation. For that they want to do is to be able to come here and work. reasons, I think it needs all the resources that it calls for. If there is one ministry that needs to be digitilised There are two issues that I think require a mention, one is this ministry, because flowing from what they say is renunciation process. Mr Chairperson, I think the about you, what records they have about you, only then Minister and his ministry should look into; how to make can you can prove who you really are, in order to get it easier? There are people who are born dual citizens not a driver’s licence, and of course they are the ones that by choice. It is quite possible by operation of the laws issue passports as well. of Israel; if you are Jewish, it does not matter where you are born, you are also a dual citizen. I think it is unfair Therefore, to decide whether or not you are a citizen that if you turn 21, you are told to go to Israel or find depends on the records that this ministry has. It is the Embassy of Israel to denounce that. There should very important and like I said, it should be digitalised. be a process at the ministry itself that makes it possible Therefore, the proposals for reforms that are placed for you to renounce at the ministry, not necessarily before us, I believe they are very important. I am very involving the other country. They can do the process particularly impressed by the plans of One Stop Border of deposing those instruments with the other country. I Post (OSBP) that they have embarked on, particularly in think that is very important because there are so many areas where we have communities on both sides of the people who have this problem. border. I am very impressed by their recent introduction of the use of photo Identities (IDs), to cross borders as The other thing Mr Chairperson, is the errors in the opposed to using passports. There is a Memorandum of birth certificates. That is a very expensive process, it is

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a cumbersome and expensive process to correct errors. re ke etela kwa Zimbabwe. E rile fela jaaka ke tswa ka The law is very clear, you cannot temper with birth Francistown, ke leletswa ke ofisi ya Foreign Affairs, records without a court order. I can tell you; in January mosadi yo mosweu… alone, many babies who were born in January 2020 will have birth record errors of 2019. The person who was HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ene yoo. actually entering will have that date, often it is errors MR MOATLHODI: …a bo a re, “tlisa, kwano passport of dates. Sometimes it is just errors of sex, whether eo rra.” Ke ne ka re ao! ke kopa gore ke e tlise beke e e someone is male or female. The poor parents have to go tlang ka lebaka la gore… to court to change or correct this error. I believe either we amend the law, or make it the obligation on the state HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... itself to initiate the correction of the birth errors instead of the parent. There are many children, that when I was MR MOATLHODI: O iketle Rre Morwaeng, a ko re tlotlaneng bagaetsho. A bo a re, “nnyaa, re e batla practising law for example; at six years old the child gompieno.” Ke bo ke tsamaya fela, go ne go le Laboraro. is supposed to start school and is recorded as female Fa ke re ke tsena kwa molelwaneng… Ke kopa go wela. but is male, or instead of male, he is female or the birth record is incorrect. They had to seek a court order to MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS correct these errors. These are some of the small things AND COOPERATION (DR DOW): On a point of that can be dealt with by introduction of the proper procedure. Mr Chairperson, ke ne ke re moBotswana facilitating processes. I urge the Minister to look at this. Patriotic Front (BPF) yole fa e le gore o batla go re Otherwise I would say Mr Chairperson, that certainly, joina, ga re joiniwe jaana. I support the budget proposals. I urge them to continue HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... to really digitise this ministry especially when it comes to working with the foreign missions abroad because DR DOW: Ke ne ke re a tsenye kopo fela motshegare… with a proper maranyane, it would be easier even for the missions out there to be able to facilitate the ministry MR CHAIRPERSON: T. K. o boetse gae? through the issuance of Visas and other documents. I HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... thank you Mr Chairperson. DR DOW: Ee, boela kwa o tswang teng ntate. MR MOATLHODI (TONOTA): Ke tsaya sebaka se Modulasetilo go lebogela sebaka se o se nkadimileng. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Ke batla go itela mo go wena Tona, mme ke dumalana le chapter ya gago. Ke batla go itela mo go wena Tona ke MR MOATLHODI: Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi bua ka pelo e e kutlobotlhoko thata. Re a bo re gorogile Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Fa ke tsena kwa maloba mo Palamenteng, e rile re tsena fela Motlotlegi molelwaneng, immigration officials ba re, “ga o ka ke Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente le bana ba wa tlola, re laetswe strictly gore o tshotse passport e gagwe, ba buisana le Lephata la Foreign Affairs, ra e sa go tshwanelang, so re a go busa.” Ke bo ke re, go fiwa passports tse dikhibidu. Re di fiwa jaana go sa siame bongwanaka, ke tlaa boa. Jaanong, listen to the neelwe bahumagadi ba rona. Fa Motlotlegi Motsamaisa embarrassment e motho a e fiwang, ene a ithaya a re o Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente nako nngwe a ka nthaya tshwere tshwanelo e e siameng. Mapalamente ke bone a re, “rra, ya kwa Tanzania or wherever,” mme ke batho fela ba ba amogelang madi a Puso in… tshwanetse ke tsamaye le Mmaagwe Nkamo, go a pala. HONOURABLE MEMBER: In 58 months. Kgangkgolo tota e ke batlang go e bua is for Members of Parliament. Fa o sena go jewa ke ditlhopho, passport MR MOATLHODI: …in 58 months. Fa go tswa foo, e a tsewa. Ke kopa gore o supe Tona, e nne fela tlotlo ope ga a sa tlhole a lemoga gore o teng… e e direlwang Mapalamente. A e re Mopalamente a filwe passport jaana, a nnele ruri ka yone. Ke yone HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. fela tlotlo e Palamente e ka e neelang Mapalamente a a MR MOATLHODI: Ao! tlaabong a se mo Palamenteng. Fa re sena go tswa mo ditlhophong tsa 2014, ke ne ke latlhegetswe obviously, MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND circumstances tseo would be some discussion topic for COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): the other day. It was a week morago ga ditlhopho, ke Procedure. Ke ne ke bona e kete jaanong Motlotlegi o

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ipuelela e le ene, e bile o re bolelela dikgang tsa gagwe. tshwanelwang ke disutu, mme fela pelaelo ya me e Ke ne ke re a mme ke ka tsamaiso ya Palamente? O ka tona ke gore Tona, ga o ba neele uniform. O tlaa bona bua kgang ya gagwe… kgarebe, mme o bona gore uniform e, e thuntse ke go tlhatswiwa gantsi, mme motho o kwa, e le leitlho la HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… lefatshe la Botswana. Batho ba ba tsenang mo lefatsheng MR SEGOKGO: …tota a sa bue ka ga ene. la Botswana ba re, “ehe, go raya gore batho ba ba apara kapari e e leswe e.” HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Fa o tsena kwa Ramokgwebana, ao bagaetsho, o itse bo MR MOATLHODI: E bile ga ke ka ke ka fa sekai ka Minister ba gompieno, ke utlwile mongwe a ikgatlha. wena ka gore I have never seen you on that day. Bagaetsho, a re dirisaneng mmogo, re tlotlaneng, re tlotle ba ba kwa ntle le setšhaba sa lefatshe le. Ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… kopa gore o etele the borders Tona, bogolo jang kwa MR MOATLHODI: Ka letsatsi leo, it was a serious Ramokgwebana. Go na le matlo a masweunyana on the embarrassment. So, ke kopa gore passports di neelelwe western side of the building ya Immigration, a gongwe ruri Mapalamente. a sale a agilwe ka bo 1969. Le bone ba ba ratang go ikgatlha bobe ba, ga ke bone gore o ka dumela mongwe Gone ka letsatsi leo, Motlotlegi the Former Speaker wa lesika la gagwe a nna mo ntlong e e ntseng jaana. of the National Assembly, Rraetsho Ray Matlapeng Ke gore dikhuruntlhwane, and re bua ka batho ba ba Molomo; Rraagwe …(Inaudible)… may his soul rest in nang le bana le masika. Ao bagaetsho! ke a kopa, ke peace, re kopana fa our border a tswa Zimbabwe a re, a rapela, a re tlhokomelaneng mo lefatsheng le. Fa o “monna, ke jaaka o mpona, ke sale ke kgarakgatshiwa neetswe maemo, bogolo jang a sepolotiki, tiro ya gago ke go tlhokomela mongwe le mongwe wa lefatshe le, o ke maZimbabwe. Go na le pampitshana e o reng fela fa nne boikobo mo go bone. For lack of a diplomatic word, o fetsa le ba immigration, o a e fiwa go bo gotwe o ye I shun and hate the pomposity that I see on some of our go e tempisa fale, fa o sa dira jalo, ga o boe.” Akanya Ministers, more especially lona ba ba kwa frontbench. fela gore Rraetsho Molomo was the Speaker of the The Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) backbench, National Assembly, motho yo o neng a tlotlega thata mo maabane Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona o ne a re o ikuela Botswana… mo go rona rotlhe ba ba mo Palamenteng e, lona le tlaabo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Former Minister. le re ba ba ka fale bale, o kare le raya maZimbabwe. Most of the time you refer to us as bone ba ba ka fale MR MOATLHODI: A former Minister, yes! Motho bale, o kare le raya maZimbabwe a a tlhagetseng mo yo o neng a tlotlega, a ile go kgarakgatshiwa kwa lefatsheng la Botswana. Re tlhophilwe jaaka lona, re lefatsheng le e seng la ga bone. Fa a ne a tshotse a buiseng ka tlotlo bagaetsho. diplomatic passport, e nnetse ruri mo go ene more so that he was the Speaker of this Assembly, o ka bo a sa HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… sotlakiwa jaaka a sotlakilwe. Le fa yo a nthaya a re ke a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… ipuelela, o ne a batla gore ke buelelwe ke mang ka gore ene ga a nke a mpuelela? MR MOATLHODI: Dikereke Tona; dikereke tsa Botswana tse re di fitlhetseng go itsiwe gore ke main- HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… lines, bo Zion Christian Church (ZCC). Kopo ya me fela HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… ke gore, a dikereke tse di neelwe plots mahala bagaetsho, kana jaanong o kare re rekisa lefoko la Modimo. HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tlaa go bolaya, o se ka Dikereke tse di tlang tse; ke ratile go e bua ka leina, wa tlhola o boelela. tse di tletsetletseng mo Botswana, e bile baeteledipele HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kopa maitshwarelo. ba bangwe ba tsone kamoso o utlwa gotwe o thubeditse (raped), kamoso o dirile sa gore. Dikereke tse di tlang MR MOATLHODI: Motlotlegi Tona, staff sa go gogola madi, beke e e tlang di bo di tsamaile, fa ba Immigration is excellent at the borders, e bile le batla plot, ba e rekisetswe. The main-line churches and mo popegong o kare ba ne ba tlhophiwa ka bomo. all other churches tse di tswang kgakala le lefatshe le, Go tlhophilwe basadi ba bantle, makolwane a a o ka tlhomoga pelo, fa go tsena nako ya ditlhopho, ba

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rapelela ditlhopho tsa lefatshe le mo go supang gore Members’ interest in the mandate and the overall they have an attachment to this country and its people. performance of my ministry. It is through your Ba neele plots mahala Motlotlegi Tona. substantive comments that Government can align policies and laws with the expectations of the people Ke digele ntlha ya bofelo. Maloba ke ne ke etetse kwa that are represented by you Honourable Members. That Mafikeng. Tona, officeele e e kwa Ramatlabama ga e a re said Mr Chairperson, I will then respond to some of the tshwanela. Ke ya bogologolo, ke sone sekhuruntlhwane. issues raised by the Honourable Members. Ke mongwe wa banna ba ba ithatang thata mo lefatsheng le. Le fa ke ne ke le kwa Tonota, ke ne ke nna ke apere Honourable Kapinga, let me just say that the issue of suit everyday, ke itshetse perfume e e turang. I would not renunciations, people losing their citizenship and being even enter that office. stateless is an issue which I address in this Parliament HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… from time to time. I have addressed it in my response to State of the National Address (SONA) and on the other MR MOATLHODI: No! Selo sa ntlha e ka ntlatsa day in relation to Honourable Kekgonegile’s Motion leswe, ke ka tswa mo teng ke sa nkge sentle. That office that on a day-to-day basis, my ministry deals with the is an irregular in this country, e emele ka dinao Tona. issue of renunciation. Lefatshe le le na le serodumo se se itsiweng, let us keep it up. Ke yone kopo ya me eo. Ke lebogile Motlotlegi Under Section 16 of the Immigration Act, when a person Modulasetilo. attains the age of 21 and they have dual citizenship, they are required to renounce one of the citizenships, MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND and some people fail to do that. I come from Kgalagadi COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a District which is a far-flung area; e kwa tennyanateng, leboga Modulasetilo, mme ke go lebogela sebaka se o kwa ke tswang teng is Bokspits. At the time when I setseng o se mphile. Ke ema jaana betsho gore ke eme turned 21, we did not have access to information. We nokeng kopo e e neng e dirwa ke Tona, a kopela ministry did not have television and even a Setswana speaking wa gagwe madi. Ke batla go simolola ka go mo akgolela radio in my district. I took the effort of renouncing my ditiro tse di dirwang ke ministry wa gagwe. Ke supe other citizenship because I am born in Namibia. I just botlhokwa jwa ditiro tse a di dirang… want to say that it is a question of arming people with knowledge and information. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… My ministry on a routine basis, holds Kgotla meetings MR SEGOKGO: Ehe, mme ke nne mokhutshwane in various parts of this country to sensitize and educate Tona, go na le mathata golo gongwe ka nako e. Ke tlaa Batswana on the need to renounce. In addition to that, we go ema nokeng thata mo go reng o tsenye ditlamelo tsa also educate and sensitize those people who have failed boranyane. Rre Molale o ne a bua about data e e resident to renounce, that under Section 17 of the Citizenship mo chip service, mme ke dumela gore se se botlhokwa Act, they are entitled to apply for renunciation of ke gore re kgone go tlisa boranyane jo bo arabang… ke citizenships. I gave you the statistics last time, dipalo di fa sekai, batho ba ba tshwanang le ba private sector ba ka nna 3 700 people who last year have applied, and I insurances, gore mme re na le certificate sa motho yo sa have granted and approved their applications. gore o tlhokafatse, re ka mo duela. Ke feletswe ke nako, mme ke tlaa ema gone foo. Tanki Modulasetilo. Let me just say that, continue le lona as Members of Parliament (MPs), and I plead with you all, to also MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, you may undertake to sensitize members of your communities reply to the debate. and constituents to apply on a daily basis. Every day when I am in my office, I attend to those issues, and I MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION am granting that… AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MOKGETHI): Honourable Mr Chairperson, let me express to the MR KEORAPETSE: Clarification. Honourable Honourable Members of this House that I sincerely Minister, kana the issue is not on failure of our people appreciate all the comments made by them on the to conform or to adhere to the requirements of the law, Recurrent and the Development Budget proposals for but the difficulty of the poverty circumstances that our my ministry. Most comments reflect the Honourable people find themselves in. Do you appreciate the plight

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of the poor people in terms of the inherent encumbrance a sena go e bona, a bo a re o tlolela kwa Zimbabwe, of their circumstances? ba Immigration ba bo ba gana ba re passport e leswe, mme sengwe le sengwe se le teng, go na le bosupi jwa Secondly, the Motion called for a default position to be sepodise, le pampiri e mapodise ba e kwalang. A bosupi that, when you reach 21, you are a citizen of Botswana, jwa mapodise Tona, motho a ya lesong la kwa ga lona, o unless you specifically state that you are a citizen of ya lenyalong kana o ya go dira tiro fela, a ga go a lekana a different country. How far are you in implementing go supa gore passport ga e a tlatswa leswe ka bomo, e that Motion? At the time, you appeared not to be averse ne e latlhegile, e tladitswe leswe ke magodu? to the suggestion proposed by the Right Honourable Kekgonegile. MS MOKGETHI: These are the very issues that I am raising now Honourable Member, that the passports MS MOKGETHI: I was going to address that issue have to conform to the international standards as set by Honourable Member, as I am busy answering the the International Civil Aviation Organisation. This is questions here, or addressing some of the responses. We the very issue that I am addressing; that when you are have taken cognizance of Honourable Kekgonegile’s indicating yourself, what you are saying to me now is Motion, we are in the process, and we are working on that the passport was indeed soiled, which just confirms changing the law, to change the default position. In what I am saying, it means that the security features line with the Motion which has been adopted recently, were then compromised. the matter has been referred to the Attorney General’s Chambers, and it is being worked upon. In addition, let Moving on, the Citizenship Amendment Bill was me just say that the ministry has undertaken a decision presented to Parliament in July 2017 with a view to to review the Citizenship Act as a whole, rather than introduce dual citizenship. We have been informing dealing with it in a piecemeal manner. The consultations this House from time to time that, the introduction of on the proposed reviews are still ongoing. The dual citizenship affects 34 pieces of legislation, and Citizenship Committee has been mandated to review hence, the Bill was deferred to the ministry to undertake the criteria for assessment of application for citizenship, further consultations, not only with the public, but with including the ones for spouses. The review of the criteria the affected ministries, because it cuts across various will be undertaken during the 2020/2021 financial year. ministries. It was not possible for us to rush into introducing dual citizenship because we had to consider Some members have complained about passports and all aspects very carefully. The consultations with other the need to apply for a waiver, to apply for a new stakeholders have commenced, and we are envisaging passport after their passport have been destroyed or that it will be completed by the end of the first quarter lost. Let me just say, some of them are complaining of 2020/2021. As you can see, this was a Bill which was that they are required to apply for a waiver, and pay brought through my ministry, and we support it. It is the sum of P1 260.00. In line, and in conformity with an indication that we do support dual citizenship, and I the international standards as set by International Civil will respectfully plead with Honourable Members to be Aviation Organization (ICAO), passport booklets have patient, because it will be brought back to Parliament in security features, and should not be tampered with, the course of this year. therefore, the use of soiled passports, compromises the security and integrity of Botswana passports. Batswana The Civil Society Pitso and awareness workshops, are therefore, encouraged to ensure that their passports were informed among others by the Botswana National are kept at safe places, and as safe as possible. Even if Risk Assessment on Money Laundering and Terrorism you have droplets of water on your passport, the droplets Financing carried out in 2015/2016, and regular of water are considered even to spoil the passport. So, assessment of Botswana Financial Action Taskforce it is important that you sensitive members of the public (FATF). The Non-Profit Organization Sector Risk that they keep their passports in safe and secure places Assessment has been completed, and a report submitted so that they do not spoil the security features which are to my ministry last week. in the passports. Honourable Kapinga said, I am lawyer, I am supposed MR MOATLHODI: Clarification. Ke a go leboga to know human rights issues and so forth; some of these Motlotlegi Modulasetilo. Tona, maloba mongwe o ne issues are not dealt with hastily. I cannot come with my a utsweditswe passport kwa kgaolong ya me, fela fa bo lawyer and human rights background to come and

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introduce matters hastily. We work according to a plan We are looking at the pros and cons. We are saying, and as I said, this was just submitted to my ministry last we are looking at issues of how Botswana will benefit week. The findings and recommendations of sector risk from the revenue streams, for example; if somebody is assessment will be shared with the civil society and all applying for a Visa in South Africa, how the revenue stakeholders during the months of March and April, will be shared. If you are applying for a Visa in... 2020. MR KEORAPETSE: Clarification. Let me put it Some of our Honourable Members have raised the issue this way, are you considering removing some of the of UniVisa aspect. Through the UniVisa process, member citizens placed on Visa restriction from that list? Are states aim to make entry and travel of visitors within the you considering for instance; lifting Visa restriction for Southern African Development Community (SADC) Julius Sello Malema? region as smooth as possible, by removing impediments related to acquisition of the Visa. Botswana continues MS MOKGETHI: We have not yet considered that to participate as an observer in the UniVisa meetings so Honourable Member. We have not come to a point as to gain first-hand information on the UniVisa project. where we can review our decisions relating to those who It must be noted that the discussions on the project are have been put on Visa restriction. I was still talking in ongoing and implementation has not yet started. relation to Honourable Morwaeng’s submissions, when he raised concerns on the high rate of Gender Based Honourable Morwaeng from Molepolole South Violence (GBV) against women and children in the supported the budget. He said that the ministry is country. He expressed the need to protect vulnerable important, given that my officers are the first contact for visitors into the country, therefore, employee welfare groups by introducing stiffer penalties. I may just say issues including security are of paramount importance. that, Government has established penalties for offences He supported overtime budget for officers working at such as murder and rape. I note with concern that these ports of entry. He also raised a concern on high gender seem not to deter people from committing such heinous based ... offences. This situation challenges us to establish the root causes of serious crime including GBV. It is MR KEORAPETSE: Clarification. Ke a leboga. important to highlight that the strategy towards ending Honourable Minister, the first comment on Visas; I think GBV, is to adopt the multi-sectoral and multipronged your ministry is doing well on Visas now. I wanted to get approach to addressing GBV. We believe that as various clarity from you on Visa restrictions. There are citizens sectors mainstream GBV, we should realise improved of countries who are not required to apply for Visas but gender based management and ultimately to a decline in have been put on Visa restriction list. Those citizens gender based cases. when you look at their profile, they fit the profile of human rights activists, politicians, lawyers, journalists Honourable Buti Billy talked about certain churches and so forth. I wanted to check with you, whether you which he said, we call them “dikereke tsa melelo”. are reviewing these cases, tsone tsa bo Julius Malema? The Constitution of Botswana guarantees freedom He was put on visa restriction and the effect of being of religion and therefore, as a ministry, we will not put on Visa restriction, effectively, it meant that you are discriminate against any faith-based organisation. persona non grata. It does not say so in terms of our When applications come to my ministry, we consider laws, but in the practice is that, when you find yourself them and when they are incompliance and meet all on that Visa restriction list, you are effectively persona the requirements under the law, we will register such non grata. I wanted to find out if you are reviewing this faith-based organisation without discriminating against case, at least on a case by case, bo Gordon Bennett for any one. He indicated that he supported the ministry’s instance, Professor Ian Taylor and may others? budget. May I just indicate that through the Men Sector and in collaboration with civil society, we continue to MS MOKGETHI: We are looking at issues broadly engage with men and boys across the country to address Honourable Member. As I indicated, Botswana specific issues that concern men and the promotion continues to participate in the UniVisa process to gain of gender equality, as well as their role in addressing first-hand information. It is noted that discussions on GBV. The Men Sector in this regard has commenced the project are ongoing and implementation has not yet establishment of District Men Sector Committees to started. We are currently looking into all those factors. address men’s issues at community level.

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Honourable Molale; I wish to inform the Honourable with your permission Honourable Chairperson may I Member that the proposed integrated system that is quote? being developed by my ministry will among other things, produce an electronic identity card with a chip to MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes, Please. facilitate uploading of other services such as the one he MS MOKGETHI: From here, it says, “according to mentioned. It is indeed wrong for us to require people this study, only 11 per cent of political pronouncements to produce birth certificates of their parents when they measured over one year leading up to the study refer renew their identity cards. The requirement is that they to GBV. Politicians refer to different forms of GBV should provide identity numbers of their parents. This is necessary to provide a unique linking sector to parents in the speeches with the link between GBV and HIV, and children in the national identity system, taking into emotional abuse and sexual abuse featuring in most consideration that Batswana have identical names. speeches. Of the 96 speeches analysed, only 18.8 per cent refer to the link between GBV and HIV. Equal On the issue of fences; Honourable Member, my ministry proportions, which is 60 per cent of the GBV speeches works in conjunction with other security organs in the refer to emotional abuse and sexual abuse. Only 3 per country in relation to such factors. We will consult with cent speeches refer to child abuse,” and this very same the other security organs and see how we can address study shows a link between childhood abuse and GBV. the issue of the fences that you mentioned, even though they are not specifically directed to my ministry. With your permission Mr Chairperson, may I quote where this report says, “association between child abuse Honourable Motsamai; Non-Governmental and violence, either perpetrators or victimisation was Organisations (NGOs) are our development partners highly significant of those who experience GBV, 92 per and owing to this partnership, my ministry through the cent had experienced some form of abuse in childhood, NGO Council, is working towards the establishment of and of those who experience intimate partner violence the Civil Society Fund. This fund once established, will and 94 per cent were abused in childhood.” I want you serve as a basket of funds earmarked for NGOs support to take note, to take responsibility for this as political from various strategic partners. leaders, when you make your speeches under various platforms, address these issues. Honourable Balopi, talked about extending the operating hours at some borders, this is noted and Government has Now I will consider the remaining issues which were established bilateral relations with all its neighbouring addressed by Honourable Kekgonegile, when he countries where issues relating to border management talked about compensation at borders. The passport including operating hours are discussed. and border control system has been designed in such a way that when Government Accounting and Budgeting Honourable Kekgonegile complained that the ministry’s System (GABS) is down, revenue collection continues programmes which are aimed at Gender-Based uninterrupted, and when GABS is back and running, all Violence (GBV), GBV statistics do not have targets the payment batches are uploaded into the GABS for and timelines. Mr Chairperson, the NGO Council is reconciliation of transactions. Therefore, the revenue under my ministry, it is expected to facilitate effective that he was talking about will not be lost. Government support to NGO programmes through line ministries by allocating financial resources at the time Honourable Chairperson, in conclusion, I move that the of the national budget planning. The NGO Council Recurrent and Development Budget proposals from my has commenced work towards the development of its ministry for the sum of Four Hundred and Seventy-Seven resource mobilisation strategy in consultation with Million, Three Hundred and Sixty-Nine Thousand, NGOs. Once in operation, it will guide the disbursement One Hundred and Fifty Pula (P477,369,150) under the of funds to NGOs to provide services that complement Recurrent Budget for Organisation 0400 be approved Government efforts. and stand part of the Schedule of the Appropriation Bill, 2020 and that the sum of One Hundred and One May I just say that, I challenge each and every Member Million, Seven Hundred Thousand Pula (P101,700,000) of this Honourable House, when you address the public, for the Development Budget for the Organisation 0400 deal and talk about issues of GBV. In my hand, I am be approved and stand part of these estimates for the holding the Botswana National Relationship Study, and financial year 2020/2021. I move accordingly.

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HIS EXCELLENCY THE PRESIDENT (DR in 2020/2021, which will also require accelerating work MASISI): On a point of order. I think Mr Chairperson, on rationalisation of our parastatals. We will continue I am sorry, she did not read the citation of the Schedule to implement initiatives such as Mabogo Dinku Product in total and could she move properly? and implementation of Braille Application Forms for the visually impaired at Citizen Entrepreneurial HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Development Agency (CEDA), SheTrade Charter and MS MOKGETHI: Ke bale yotlhe? This concludes enterprise development programmes targeting the youth my presentation of the 2020/2021 Recurrent and such as the Tony Elumelu Foundation Initiative. Development Budget proposal for my ministry. Mr Chairperson, the key levers that we seek to move I therefore request that the sum of Four Hundred and forward in our transformational journey are creating an Seventy-Seven Million, Three Hundred and Sixty-Nine enabling environment for Small and Medium Enterprises Thousand, One Hundred and Fifty Pula (P477,369,150) (SMEs), attracting Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) under the Recurrent Budget for Organisation 0400 and increasing domestic production including the be approved and stand part of the Schedule of the leveraging of indigenous products and international Appropriation 2020/2021 Bill, 2020, and that the sum trade. Mr Chairperson, the main challenge that is facing of One Hundred and One Million, Seven Hundred this economy is unemployment especially for the youth. Thousand Pula (P101,700,000) for the Development My ministry will continue to pursue initiatives that Budget for Organisation 0400 be approved and stand will propel the growth of the Manufacturing Sector part of those estimates for the financial year 2020/2021. and upscale support to Small and Micro Enterprises to I move accordingly. I thank you Mr Chairperson. grow this economy, hence our commitment to increase the share of the mining Sector to 7 per cent in the next Question put and agreed to. 24 months. My ministry has also committed towards facilitation of job creation by up scaling investor ORGANISATION 0700 - MINISTRY OF facilitation, both local and foreign; as well as improving INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY the doing business environment, hence our target to MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Members, improve the rankings by 10 to 20 places in the next two please note that two hours 25 minutes have been years. allocated to this Organisation, and I shall call upon Mr Chairperson, the Economic Diversification Drive the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 1745 Strategy is currently being reviewed, and is expected hours today and the question will be put at 1500 hours to be completed by August 2020. My ministry is tomorrow. working with local retailers to procure and promote locally manufactured products, while also developing MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND local suppliers productive capacity. As part of our INDUSTRY (MS SERAME): Mr Chairperson, I stand continued efforts to support Small, Medium and Micro here before this august House to present my Committee Enterprises (SMMEs), the Local Enterprise Authority of Supply Statement. (LEA) in partnership with First National Bank of Mr Chairperson, I would like to give a summary of the Botswana (FNBB) are developing a digital technology statement because it is a bit lengthy. and innovation incubator in Gaborone. The facility is anticipated to be operational by June 2020. Furthermore, My statement is guided by Vision 2036, the national Stanbic Bank Botswana has established a Stanbic Bank priorities as set out in the National Development Plan Incubator #Acceler8 in November 2019. 11 as well as regional and global trends. The vision document and the plan have set for us ambitious targets Mr Chairperson, 60 Tony Elumelu Foundation (TEF) which challenge us to think differently and innovatively Botswana entrepreneurs were selected in the fifth whilst we act with bravery and decisiveness, in order to cycle of the TEF and commenced the first three pillars transform this economy. of the Programme. Further, to assist SMEs to meet pre-project requirements including Environmental The pillars that will guide my ministry as we embark Impact Assessment (EIA) and soil testing, my ministry on this journey are inclusivity and sustainability. On launched a Pre-project Facility amounting to P5 Million sustainability, we will ensure effectiveness of expenditure in July 2019.

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INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT to bolster productivity in both the Agricultural and Manufacturing Sectors. My ministry through CEDA Mr Chairperson, my ministry is in the process of is also undertaking a Manufacturing Sector Study, developing an Electronic Commerce Strategy and will which is at completion stage. The study recommends concurrently embark on a project aimed at strengthening technology financing as a key ingredient to export- the overall national e-commerce ecosystem. The oriented SMMEs. There have been public outcries Strategy is expected to be completed by June 2020. regarding the delays in settlement of SMME invoices Furthermore, the Government of Botswana endorsed the as this causes problems for SMMEs affecting their cash World Trade Organisation (WTO) collective declaration flow and working capital. As a result, some businesses meant to increase participation of women in trade in shut down. 2018. The SheTrades Initiative seeks to integrate Three Million women into international markets by 2021. The Mr Chairperson, Ministry of Investment, Trade and SheTrades Botswana Chapter will be launched this year. Industry (MITI) parastatals; Gambling Authority and Botswana Investment Trade Center (BITC) have taken Mr Chairperson, there is already national recognition up the challenge of paying SMMEs within 24 hours that there are high potential investment opportunities in spearheaded by CEDA. I hope that the whole of Local the creative and culture industries which include among and Central Government and all parastatals will follow others media, television, film, fashion and textile, suit. music, artifacts and culture sub sectors. In this regard, special focus will be on these sub-sectors that have Mr Chairperson, Government has taken a decision high propensity for value chain and export capacity to consolidate economic empowerment schemes development. currently in the various ministries, in order to improve their efficiency. The programmes will be consolidated Mr Chairperson, the pre-construction activities for the and implemented under one entity for effective Leather Industry Park in Lobatse were completed in implementation and monitoring, effective April 2020. 2019. Construction of the Park is expected to start in June 2020. DOING BUSINESS AND COMPETITIVENESS

Implementation of the Competition and Consumer Mr Chairperson, the Online Business Registration Protection Act commenced in December 2019. Matters System went live on the 3rd June 2019. Efforts to relating to price fixing or the carving up of markets that modify the System further to allow future integration negatively affect the consumers and encourage abuse of the dominant market position will be addressed at the with other Government systems are ongoing. Following early stage, by developing investigation rules to ensure the passing of Trade (Amendment) Act and Industrial a vibrant market place while continuing to educate Development (Amendment) Act by Parliament, the consumers about their rights and responsibilities. ministry is working on the development of the enabling regulations. The regulations are anticipated to be in place Citizen Economic Empowerment by the end of March 2020, to enable implementation of Mr Chairperson, my ministry has started the process to the revised Acts in April 2020. develop the Citizen Economic Empowerment (CEE) Mr Chairperson, in order to contribute to the Law, with consultations already ongoing and expected transformation of Botswana from a resource-based to to be concluded by April 2020. My ministry through a knowledge-based economy, my ministry through the CEDA, is reviewing the CEDA Guidelines. The Companies and Intellectual Property Authority (CIPA), review is planned for completion in March 2020, and is in the process of implementing the Industrial Property implementation will follow in April 2020. The Review Model Office (IPMO) Project. The IPMO is expected to will amongst others propose changes to the loan tenure, commence operation this April 2020. interest rates, grace periods and suggest penalties where beneficiaries are deemed to have abused the favourable Mr Chairperson, in partnership with the Botswana lending terms provided by CEDA. This includes Innovation Hub (BIH), the Gambling Authority (GA) is strengthening CEDA’s contribution to the emergence supporting the development of the Gaming Industry in of a knowledge-based economy and engendering the Botswana through an Innovation Lab that will be set up institution of climate smart products and services at BIH for talented young people.

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EXPORT PROMOTION Mr Chairperson, implementation of the SPEDU investment incentives has seen 16 companies being Mr Chairperson, the key Trade Agreements that are issued with the tax incentive certificates, while five currently in the final stages of negotiations include companies are occupying factory shells at a subsidised the African Continental Free Trade Area (ACFTA), rate. Tripartite Free Trade Agreement (TFTA), Southern African Customs Union (SACU) - Mozambique VI. BUDGET UTILISATION DURING 2019/2020 Economic Partnership Agreement with the United Kingdom. In addition, the SACU-European Free Trade Mr Chairperson, the 2019/2020 overall budget allocation Association (EFTA), European Union (EU-SADC) for my ministry for both the Recurrent and Development Economic Partnership Agreement (EPA), SADC Expenditures was One Billion, One Hundred and Fifty- Protocol on Trade and African Growth and Opportunity Four Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty-Six Thousand, Act (TAGOA) are being implemented. It is worth noting Eight Hundred and Eighty Pula (P1,154,836,880.00). that the SACU-EFTA Agreement is currently being Out of this budget, One Billion and Forty-Six Million, reviewed to improve its terms for additional market Three Hundred and Sixty-Six Thousand, Eight Hundred access. and Eighty Pula (P1, 046,366,880.00) was Recurrent Budget whilst the Development Budget share was One Mr Chairperson, in order to enhance export Hundred and Eight Million, Four Hundred and Seventy competitiveness of local companies, my ministry Thousand Pula (P108, 470,000.00). is reviewing the Botswana Exporter Development Programme. This is complimented by another initiative Out of the One Billion and Forty-Six Million, Three that my ministry is undertaking that of simplifying the Hundred and Thirty-Six Thousand, Eight Hundred various Trade Agreements. The two initiatives will be and Eighty Pula (P1,046,336,880.00) allocated to the completed during the 2020/2021 financial year. Recurrent Budget, an amount of One Billion and Five INVESTMENT PROMOTION Million, Two Hundred and Twenty Thousand, Five Mr Chairperson, I wish to inform this House that Hundred and Thirty-Four Pula (P1,005,220,534.00) or from April to December 2019, cumulative investment 96 per cent of the budget provision had been spent as at th facilitated through MITI agencies amounting to 27 February, 2020. P3.74 Billion was realised. In April 2016, Botswana The Development Budget had a provision of One Development Corporation (BDC) formed a partnership Hundred and Eight Million, Four Hundred and Seventy with Milk Afric. BDC has set aside P92 Million for Thousand Pula (P108, 470,000.00) out of which an this 2000 head dairy milk farm in Lobatse. The plant amount of Sixty-Nine Million, Seventeen Thousand, is complete and awaiting stocking of the animals. For Seven Hundred and Forty-Six Pula (P69,017,746.00) or the next strategic period, BDC has solidified a bold 64 per cent of the budget provision was spent as at 27th new direction bed rocked upon key focus areas which February, 2020. entail; maximising long-term value for the shareholder, investing in large-scale export oriented businesses BUDGET PROPOSALS FOR 2020/2021 in line with Vision 2036, investing globally in high- return projects, deeply integrating Botswana into the Mr Chairperson, I now present the budget proposals global economy through strategic investments and of my ministry for the financial year 2020/2021. partnerships, to continue to pioneer Botswana industries The proposed budget for the financial year 2020/21 and unlock value in untapped sectors, and do so with amounts to One Billion, One Hundred and Thirty- a deliberate intent to build Botswana’s next chapter Five Million, Nine Hundred and Sixty-Six Thousand, of industrialisation through intense collaboration with Nine Hundred and Ten Pula (P1, 135,966,910.00). This Botswana businesses driven by homegrown ideas. figure represents a decrease of Eighteen Million, Eight Hundred and Sixty- Nine Thousand, Nine Hundred and Mr Chairperson, the detailed design and land servicing Seventy Pula (P18, 869,970.00) or 1.6 per cent from of the first phase of the Sir Seretse Khama International the current year’s budget of One Billion, One Hundred Airport (SSKA) Special Economic Zone (SEZ) was and Fifty-Four Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty- awarded in November 2019, and is anticipated to be Six Thousand, Eight Hundred and Eighty Pula (P1, completed in October 2020. 154,836,880.00).

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Mr Chairperson, the P1,135,966,910.00, I am or 35 per cent from the current year’s budget of Hundred requesting is made up of One Billion, Sixty-Five and Eight Million, Four Hundred and Seventy Thousand Million, Sixteen Thousand, Nine Hundred and Ten Pula (P108, 470,000.00). Pula (P1,065,016,910.00) for the Recurrent Budget and Seventy Million, Nine Hundred and Fifty Thousand Mr Chairperson, the proposed budget is to cater for the Pula (P70,950,000.00) for the Development Budget. following projects: MIT Systems Development; Leather Park Project; Doing Business Reforms Roadmap, RECURRENT BUDGET PROPOSALS FOR Enterprise Competitiveness, Botswana Economic 2020/2021 Diversification and Competitiveness Programme, Development of MITI Trade and Industry Statistics Mr Chairperson, as stated above, the proposed 2020/21 Survey and Special Economic Zones common facilities. Recurrent Budget estimates for my ministry is One Billion, Sixty-Five Million, Sixteen Thousand, Nine CONCLUSION Hundred and Ten Pula (P1,065,016,910.00), representing an increase of Eighteen Million, Six Hundred and Fifty Mr Chairperson, this concludes my presentation on Thousand and Thirty Pula (P18,650,030.00) or 1.8 per the 2020/2021 Recurrent and Development Budget cent from this year’s allocation. A significant increase proposals for my ministry. I therefore move that the sum in the Recurrent Budget occurred under personnel of One Billion, Sixty-Five Million, Sixteen Thousand, emoluments amounting to Sixteen Million, Four Nine Hundred and Ten Pula (P1,065,016,910.00) under Hundred and Sixty-Eight Thousand, Three Hundred the Recurrent Budget and the sum of Seventy Million, Pula (P16, 468,300.00). Nine Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pula (P70,950,000.00) in the Schedule of the Appropriation (2020/2021) for Mr Chairperson, 78 per cent of the Recurrent Budget Organisation 0700 be approved and stand part of the amounting to Eight Hundred and Thirty-Two Million, estimates for the financial year 2020/2021. I move Six Hundred and Seventy Thousand, One Hundred and accordingly. I thank you Mr Chairperson. Seventy Pula (P832,670,170.00), has been allocated to MR CHAIRPERSON (MR PULE): The floor is now my ministry’s 12 parastatal organisations, leaving the open for debate. ministry’s five departments with a total allocation of Two Hundred and Thirty-Two Million, Three Hundred MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR and Forty-Six Thousand, Seven Hundred and Forty PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT Pula (P232,346,740.00) or 22 per cent of the proposed (MR BALOPI): Ke a leboga Modulasetilo gore o bo budget. o mphile sebaka sa gore ke akgele mo pegong e re sa tswang go e bewa pele ke Tona Mmaetsho Peggy O. Mr Chairperson, the proposed total allocation for Serame. Ke simolole fela Modulasetilo ka go bua gore the ministry’s five departments shows an increase of ke eme nokeng pego e e beilweng pele Palamente e ke Twenty Million, Two Hundred and One Thousand, Tona le kabo e a e kopang. Ke e eme nokeng ka gore fa a Eight Hundred and Seventy Pula (P20, 201,870.00) or simolola pego ya gagwe, o itebagantse le Tebelopele ya 10 per cent compared to the current year’s budget of Setšhaba ya Dikete Pedi, Masome a Mararo le Borataro Two Hundred and Twelve Million, One Hundred and (Vision 2036), e a e nankotseng gore ke yone e e mo Forty-Four Thousand, Eight Hundred and Seventy Pula gwetlhileng ka fa a neng a akanya ka teng ka gore e (P212, 144,870.00). ne e bua ka go fitlhelela katlego go botlhe; achieving Mr Chairperson, that concludes my Recurrent Budget prosperity for all. proposal for the financial year 2020/2021. O buile gape gore pego e a neng a re e baya pele e, DEVELOPMENT BUDGET PROPOSALS FOR o ne a e amanya le tse di diragalang mo mafatsheng 2020/2021 tse di tsamaisang itsholelo kana go e tlhokomela jaaka ka fa lephata la gagwe le ntseng ka teng. A bo a bua Mr Chairperson, the 2020/2021 Development Budget gore o e lebagantse, le fa a ne a se ka a bua ka leina, le proposal for my ministry is Seventy Million, Nine maitlamo a Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) a a neng Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pula (P70, 950,000.00). a bua ka go akaretsa botlhe go fitlhelela itsholelo e e tlaa This represents a decrease of Thirty-Seven Million, Five ungwelang mongwe le mongwe. Ka jalo, ke sone se o Hundred and Twenty Thousand Pula (P37, 520,000.00) bonang ke e eme nokeng thata ka gore Batswana ba ne

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ba utlwa thata ka se re neng re se bua mo maitlamong a MR BALOPI: Nako e ga e yo. Ga ke na go ema. Batho rona, se tsamaelana le pegopele e re neng re ba e beile ba ba tshwanetseng gore ba nne… Ke letse ke bone ka pele e le setšhaba ya Tebelopele ya Setšhaba. Jaanong rangwane maabane a re nako e khutshwane. Ka gore o konokono yone e, e dira gore e le ruri ke lemoge fa pego ntse a le mo Palamenteng ka sebaka, le nna ke tlaa leka ya gagwe e le e e akaretsang botlhe, ka mabaka a a a gore ke e riane riane. buileng, a e leng gore ga go ka ke ga tlhola go tshwana le jaaka go ne go ntse mo tsamaisong ya gore re fetole Batswana ba sekei, ke raya wena le nna, le ba re tletseng Puso ya rona e go tswa mo letsenong le le fa gare go ya fa, le ba ba seyong gone fa, ba e leng batlhophi ba rona ba kwa go le le kwa godimo. ba tsamaisang lefatshe le. Batswana tota ba e leng gore fa ba ungwelwa ba tsaya madi le dipoelo tsa bone ba di Gape o buile ka gore e a akaretsa ka gore go na le batho dirisa mo go di tsenyeng in different investments, gore ba bangwe ba ba tlhokileng lesego la pono. A bua ka lefatshe la rona le tle le ungwelwe le gole. Batswana ba mananeo a tshwana le bo Mabogo Dinku a a eteletsweng sekei ba re buang ka bone Mma Serame, re bua ka ba e pele ke makgotla a Puso a a tshwanang le bo Citizen leng gore Puso fa e le gore e batla gore e thape kana e hire Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA) jalojalo. dikago, ba rotloediwe gore ba di tseye, ba di dire gore Ke sone se se mo gwetlhileng gore e re a re baya pego e tle e kgone gore e di hire mo go bone. Re batla gore pele jaana, nankolo e ya madi e bo e lebane le go thusa Batswana ba sekei ba re buang ka bone, e nne Batswana e bile e akaretsa botlhe. ba e leng gore fa e le gore go na le lefatshe le motho a ka Gape ke e ema nokeng jaana thata ka gore o buile gore ungwelwang mo go lone segolobogolo, e nne bone ba ba kgwetlho e tona e e re lebaneng mo lefatsheng le, ke le bonang. Ke sone se o bonang Puso e ya ga Domkrag e rile ditshimo tsa lona jaanong e nne commercial places, kgwetlho e tshwana le botlhoka tiro, segologolo jang tse le ka le dirisang gore le ungwelwe mo go tsone, ka jo bo ganeletseng mo bananeng. Ga a a bua fela gore gore re a itse lefatshe la teng le mo go lona Batswana ke kgwetlho e tona, o buile gore ba batla go gwetlha ba sekei. Ke sone se ke se itumelelang ka pego e re e tsamaiso ya itsholelo le go aroganya madi a go lebane beilweng pele ke Mmaetsho Mma Serame. Batswana le gore ba dire ditiro tsa sennelaruri, tse di tlaabong ba sekei e tshwanetse gore e nne ba e leng gore fa ba di tlhokometswe ke gore mohiri le mohiriwa le ba ba tsere mananeo a tshwana le bo CEDA, e le bateledipele, tlhokometseng bahiriwa, ba dira mmogo, ba dira ka bagolo kana banana ba tšhaba e, ba ipele ka yone, ba se mo gotweng a tripartite. Re le Puso ya gompieno ya ka ba e tsaya ba le nosi ba bo ba lobela ba bangwe. E Domkrag, re bua gore go tshwanetse go nna le mo nne Batswana ba ba batlang gore Motswana mongwe le gotweng Industrial Relations Council gore ditiro tse mongwe, a o monana, mme kana o mang a ungwelwe, e nne tsa sennelaruri Mma Serame, tse e leng gore e bile a nne le nonofo e a ka e bonang a rotloediwa ke le mohiriwa o tlaabo a sa gobelelwe, a lebilwe, a mananeo a Puso, e seng ba ba a tsayang ba bo ba nna tlhokometswe ke baemedi ba gagwe, ba dirisanya, Puso bomaja ba itshutlha. Ke sone se ke dumelang gore e yone e le ba ba bonang gore molao o salwa morago. Ke tshwanetse e nne sone se se kgarametsang itsholelo ya sone se ke bonang ke se itumelela thata. rona gore e gole. Re batla gore Batswana ba e nne ba ba lebanyeng, e bile ba tshwanelwa ke gore ba hume. Ba O buile ka go dira itsholelo ya lefatshe le gore e sa kgalwe, e bile ba sa kgobotlediwe. Go itsiwe gore sokamele e bile re gogele kobo ntlheng ya Batswana ke Batswana, ba na le tshwanelo mo lefatsheng la bone ba sekei jaaka a ne a bua ka mananeo a tshwana le bo gore ba hume, e nne billionaires and millionaires, e bile Economic Diversification Drive (EDD). Ke re mananeo e nne ba kamoso re tlaabong re itse gore re tshegeditse a Batswana ba sekei; e se ka ya nna Batswana ba sekei ka bone. Ba lese go tshosiwa ke dipuo tsa gore ke bo ba ga Keorapetse le Honourable Dumelang Saleshando makgorwane kana tenderpreneurs fa ba huma. Ee, fa e ba ba reng ba ba bone ba rwele, e nne Batswana ba le gore they are tenderpreneurs let them be legitimate sekei ba re itseng gore ba ungwela gone fa. Ke leka go tenderpreneurs, who operate within this country for us le bolelela gore Batswana ba sekei re bua ka bafe; ke to benefit re le lefatshe le. Kgolo ya rona e nne e re e Batswana ba ba tshwanetsweng ke go ungwelwa. Puso batlang. fa e batla go thapa bangwe gore ba ba neele ditlhogo jalojalo… Kgang e nngwe e re batlang gore re bone e tsweletse ke gore, Batswana jaaka ke bua Mma Serame, fa o HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. dirile jaaka o arogantse madi jaana, e bile o bua gore

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Motswana o tshwanetse gore a ungwelwe, e bile go Ke itumetse thata ka go utlwa pego e ya gago, mme lebelelwe le global trends. Motswana a se ka a remelela ke lemoga gore go gontsi mo go tlaa tswang mo teng. fela fa gare ga Botswana. E se ka ya re jaaka go na le O itebaganya le yone transformation. O itebaganya mananeo a gotweng re a neele Batswana fela, mme re le gone go tswa mo go ikaegeng ka tse re ntseng re nne re iketse tlhoko gore le mafatshe a re bapileng le ikaegile ka tsone, go ya kwa pele re ikaega ka tsa kitso one, le fela ka bophara re a ba tlhoka, ka re le lefatshe le tlhaloganyo. Ke a leboga Modulasetilo. le le botlana le le senang batho ba ba kalokalo ba thotloetso ya kgwebo ya bone e ka ba godisang go tsena HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… mo letsenong le le rileng. Re batla gore Batswana e nne MR RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): Number 1, Trade Act global players. Jaanong fa re ka simolola ra dira melao 2019… e e kganelang gore re nne le mo gotweng intra trade, kana go nna re dirisanya le ba bangwe, re tlaa felela re ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY beilwe mo mosing ke tlhoko kgolo ya letseno la rona re EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND le bagwebi le lefatshe la Botswana. Ke rata kgang ya TECHNOLOGY (MR SHAMUKUNI): Procedure. gago ya global trends, gore re itse gore mafatshe a dira Re a ikuela ka kwano Modulasetilo, e sale re simolotse eng, ga a dire eng. go ema maabane re re re a bua. Rra Nkamo o buile gararo, le nna ke re ke a iteka mme ga ke supiwe. Se re se itumelelang ke gore o buile gore bagwebi ba ba dirisanyang le Puso ba tshwanetse gore ba duelwe MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Members, ka bofefo. O ntshitse sekai sa gore ba CEDA ba setse tla ke le kope sengwe ke se, ke kopa gore le name le ba simolotse 24 hours, fa e le gore sengwe le sengwe se ntlogetse ke tsamaise Ntlo e tsweetswee. Ke a le kopa. maleba, gore ba felele ba duetse batho ba ba ba thusitseng ka ditlamelo kana ba ba diretse tse ba di tlhokang. Ka MR RAMOGAPI: Number one; Chairperson, Trade jalo re tshwanetse gore re itse gore go tlhoka go duela Act 2019 maikaelelo a yone e ne e le gore re fefose batho ka nako, go tsaya lebaka ka dituelo tsa batho go go dira kgwebo mo Botswana, mme go a gakgamatsa diya kgolo ya itsholelo. Ka gore fa motho a duelwa e le e bile go tlhomola pelo gore le gompieno jaana ga e mogwebi ka bofefo, madi a teng o a dirisa go rotloetsa le go godisa kgwebo ya gagwe kana go dira gore ba o ba ise e diragadiwe. Selo se ke se se sa siamelang go dira thapileng ba nne ba tswelele ba le gone foo, ba itumetse kgwebo mo lefatsheng la Botswana. ba bo ba kgona gore ba nne productive. Ke batla go Number two; kgang e gape e neng e bua ka yone e ne e akgola lephata la gago la CEDA, jaaka o ne o bua gore le gore, e re fa motho a dira kgwebo jaana, dikompone ke lone le simolotseng thulaganyo e ya go duela batho tse di tshwanang le saloons and restaurants di tswelele ba bofefo. Ke re maphata otlhe a e leng gore ke a Puso, fela ka to be inspected. Golo mo ke bona o ka re go baya le a e seng a Puso tota, go simololwe go rotloediwa kgwebo ya saloon le restaurant ka fa mosing, mme e batho gore fa batho ba go file ditlamelo e nne selo se o le bagwebi ba ba potlana. Let it benefit too. Motho e re se lefang ka bofefo, gore itsholelo le yone e gole, e tsene fa a batla to operate a bo a simolola gone foo. Kgang mo seemong se se siameng. ya glass project ya kwa Palapye, a e re fa Tona a ntse a O buile ka leather park. Ke itumelela leather park e sekaseka, a bone gore ka ditsela tsotlhe glass project e ka gore khumo ya Motswana ke kgomo. Kgomo fela a tsolosiwa kwa Palapye, gore e kgone go direla batho jaaka e ntse re tshwanetse go itse gore kgomo khumo ditiro. ya Motswana, jaaka ke ne ke bua. Go na le tse dintsi Number three; Forbes 2020 under 30, golo fa ke tse di ka dirwang kwa ntle ga go ja nama fela, mme bo makgorwanenyana fela ba Gaborone, ba ba gape yone leather park e, re tsaya gore e tla a re ngokela tlhophilweng to benefit from this, mme golo mo ga go a bangwe bagwebi ba ba tla itseng gore go na le letlalo la siama. A kgang e ya Forbes 2020 e ye kwa dikgaolong, tlhwatlhwa, ba tle go dira dikoloi gone kwano, tse ba batho ba kgone go e itse, le go e akola ka tsela e e leng bangwe ba ganetsang gore di ka dirwa. Ba itse gore ba gore ke banana botlhe. E seng bathonyana fela ba ba tlaa dirisa letlalo le go dira tse di tsamaelanang le koloi, tsenang mo seatleng. e le seats. Go tlaa nna le ba ditlhako le dibeke. Le rona re bone Batswana ba dira dilo tsa tlhwatlhwa e e kwa Number four; Medium-long term, export credit godimo, tse di jang madi a a kwa godimo, le madi a ka insurance, le yone e akolwa ke batho fela ba se kae kgonang gore a tsene mo itsholelong ya rona. Modulasetilo. E rile fa ke dira research ka fitlhela e le

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gore nako eo batho ba ne ba le 12. Akanya lefatshe la briefcase. Kgang ya gagwe fela e tona, e a e tletseng mo Botswana e le gore batho ba le 12 ke bone ba ba kgonang lefatsheng la Botswana, e le go tla go lwela a tender le gore ba akole insurance e, golo mo ga go a siama. E Motswana. Golo mo ga go a siama gotlhelele, re bo re tshwana le kgang ya Textile and Clothing Industries bitsa motho yo re re an investor. Ga se investor, ke fly- Development Programme (TCIDP) le yone e akolwa ke by-night, o itletse ka briefcase. Ke ene yo re mmitsang re batho ba le 12 fela mo lefatsheng la Botswana, ga se re ke Foreign Direct Investment (FDI). Ke tsone tenders kgang e e siameng. tse re buang ka tsone re re these tenderpreneurs, are not investors. A re nneng le investors ba re itseng gore o tla Number six; Doing business in Botswana. Modulasetilo, ka bokae, o tsenya bokae mo lefatsheng la Botswana. go tlhomola pelo gore mo bo gompienong jaana lefatshe Gompieno dikgang tsotlhe di kwa court, fa gotwe go la Botswana e bo e le number 87 mo mafatsheng a le 190. dirwa project ya sepatela, a ke kwa Moshupa, a ke kwa Mme lefatshe la Botswana le kile la bo le le kwa pele, kae, o utlwa gotwe e lwelwa ke monna wa kompone e le le bo number 75 le tswa kwa go 20. Gompieno le ile nngwe wa moChina le wa moChina, di emisitse tiro ya kwa tlasetlase, mo tota go sa siamelang lefatshe la rona. lefatshe la Botswana. Dilo tse ga di a siama, ra re a re Mafatshe a mangwe a feta a tsaya gore Botswana ga a nneng le investors tse re di sekasekang, re bona gore di batle investors. Golo mo ga go a siama Modulasetilo. siame. Number seven; Go na le kgang ya Special Economic Zones Authority (SEZA). Kgang ya coal beneficiation MR MOTSAMAI: Elucidation. Tanki Mr Chairperson. ke kgang e e leng gore fa re ka e tsaya ka manontlhotlho Ke ne ke re mokaulengwe fa a bua ka kgang ya investors, kwa Palapye… ke batla a tlhatswe nngwe; a mme investors tse o buang ka tsone, o tsentse le ba ba tlang mo Botswana gongwe MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND ba sa tle go rekisa dilo dipe fela tse di ka palelang INDUSTRY (MS SERAME): Procedure. Ke ikobile Motswana? Motho a tla go bula kgwebonyana, a rekisa Mr Chairperson. Ke ne ke re Honourable Member ka kwa a bue ka tsela e ke ka mo utlwang ka gore ke ya go toothpicks, lipsticks le botshasanyana. A bao o a ba palelwa ke go mo araba. Ke eme ka procedure ya gore, akaretsa? Ba bangwe ke batla go itse; a o raya le ba ba a mme Honourable Member o tshwanetse go ema mo tlang go bula gongwe shops tse ditona, ba kgona gore Ntlong e a ba a bua dilo tse e seng boammaaruri? A re ba rekise menoto, dintshu, dilo tse di lebaganyeng go tlhophilwe batho bangwe ba Gaborone kwa Forbes, Batswana totatota? A kgang e ke yone a leng mo go mme ga se boammaaruri. yone ka botlalo? Tanki sir.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Ramogapi, MR RAMOGAPI: Ke a leboga Honourable Member. leka go baakanya puo ya gago rraetsho. Akgela mo go Ke yone rraetsho, e re buang ka yone gore ba ga se se Honourable Member Serame a buileng ka sone, o se investors, ba ba tlang go rekisa airtime fela, motho ka wa tsenya dilo tsa gago tse re sa di itseng. a tla ka sefofane, re bo re tla re re ke Foreign Direct Investment, nnyaa, ga se bone. A re itseng gore ditiro tse MR RAMOGAPI: Ga ke itse gore o bua ka eng, o a dingwe tse re di neela Batswana. ntiya Honourable Chairperson. Ke tlhamaletse fela, ke tsepame sentle, ga ke itse gore when I number dikgang Kgang ya bo 10 e ke batlang go e bua, ke ya Citizen tsa me, a ga a di utlwe sentle kana a reng. Economic Empowerment Law. Kana kgang ya Citizen Empowerment Law, re tshwanetse gore fa re tsena mo Number 7 ka re, Special Economic Zone Authority go yone, re tsene re tlhoafetse, re e hehose, re itse gore (SEZA); kgang ya coal beneficiation ke e e leng gore Batswana ba a kokonelwa. Ba kokonelwa ke tsone fa re ka e tsaya ka manontlhotlho a a tlhoafetseng, e ka dikgang tse re di buang tse gore a o tsena mo airtime, kgona go direla batho ditiro kwa Palapye. E seng moo motswakwa o mo teng, a ke kgwebo ya ditena, o tlaa fela rraetsho, kgang e e leng gore e a tshwenya fa go fitlhela e le gore gompieno batho ba direla ditena mo tla go tsena tsone ditiro tse di ntseng jaana tsa lefatshe, dijarateng Minister. E le gore batho ba ke batswakwa, batho ba tseelwa lefatshe fela botlhe go sena le fa e le ga se Batswana, mme ba dira ditena tsa foromo ya se kwa morago gotweng at least 10 per cent, wena dira Setswana, go sena le fa e le machinery mo teng. Go bo investment ka ene. Golo mo ga go a siama. Number 8, go raya gore ba tseela Batswana ditiro tsotlhe. Ra re kgang ya briefcase investors e a tshwenya. Go na le golo mo ga go a siamela lefatshe la Botswana, a ko re investors fela tse ba bitswang investors mme ba tla ka tleng…

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of clarification. Modulasetilo. Le nna ke eme jaana ke eme Tona nokeng mo kopong ya gagwe ya madi. Ke go leboge Tona gore MR RAMOGAPI: …ka melao e e siameng, e e ka re o bo o re beile kopo ya madi pele. E rile mo puong ya isang golo gongwe. O a bona gore ke two minutesnyana gago wa supa gore le le Ministry wa lona wa Investment, fela tsala ya me… Trade and Industry, le ne le lebeletse yone tsamaiso ya HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mo neele. lefatshe la rona ya Vision 2036. Re go leboge, segolo jang ka this online company registration, e re neng ra e MR RAMOGAPI: E tseye rra ba… fetisa re le Palamente, gore le ne la e tseela kwa godimo. Golo moo go gontle thata e bile go fokoletsa batho MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Clarification. mosepele wa go ya go kwadisa. Go ne ga nna motlhofo, Honourable Ramogapi, I am a little bit confused fa o e bile ga diragala ka nako e khutshwanyane. Ke golo mo bua ka Citizen Economic Empowerment Law. Go tswa gontle thata, re lebogisa ministry wa gago gore le ne la foo, o bo o re it will benefit batho ba e seng Batswana, go tsibogela. Selo seo se sentle. how would that work? Gakere citizens go tewa batho ba e leng Batswana? Mmaetsho, ke supe jalo gape gore le batla go ema ka dinao, le lemogile, le batla gore go nne motlhofo go dira MR RAMOGAPI: Tanki, ga o reetse, o tshwanetse kgwebo mo lefatsheng la Botswana. E bile le lemoga wa bo o ne o feila kwa sekoleng. Ka re, citizen gore mathata a a leng teng mo lefatsheng la rona, ke empowerment ke e e leng gore tota gompieno Batswana one a letlhoko la ditiro. Ministry wa lona ke mongwe ba a sokola. Re tshwanetse go e dira ka bonako gore e wa maphata a a dumelang gore a ka nna le seabe se sologele Batswana molemo ka gore mo bogompienong setona mo go direng ditiro mo lefatsheng la Botswana, jaana, batho ba ba tswang go sele, ke bone ba ba jang ka gone go dira gore go nne motlhofo go dira kgwebo meamuso ya lefatshe la Botswana. Golo mo ga go a mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Ke supe jalo gore ke tswa siamela lefatshe la rona la Botswana. Bagaetsho, a mo kgaolong e e bidiwang Boteti Botlhaba. Ke kgaolo re emeng ka dinao, re dire melao e e leng gore e tlaa e e dikaganyeditsweng ke meepo. Meepo e mentsi kwa thusa Motswana yo re farologanang. Re itse gore re a kgaolong ya rona, e bile le bojanala bo teng ka koo. Bo farologana, go na le Motswana wa sekei, le yo o tlang, tlhokana le lona to facilitate, gore jaanong lefatshe le a dira Botswana maabane. Ra re a re kgethololeng la rona la Botswana le bo le itse gore ga re sa tlhole re sentle, re sa iphitlhe fela jaaka re itse gore le kwa South ya fela kwa Kasane, le mo Boteti, bojanala bo teng. Go Africa go na le mo gotweng black empowerment. Le mo batla rona re ema ka dinao. Botswana mo fa re re citizen law, re e farologanyeng, re se ka ra re fa o na le Omang fela o siame. Golo mo ga go Ke supe jalo Modulasetilo, gore kgaolo e ke tswang a siamela lefatshe la rona. mo go yone e ya Boteti, fa ke e lebelela ka leitlho, e tsamaelana le ya Selebi Phikwe. Re a itse gore go epiwa Kgang e nngwe e ke batlang go tsena mo go yone ka ga diteemane go na le botshelo, jo ka nako le nako ba bofefo ke ya Competition Authority (CA). Mmaetsho, a nnang ba gakolola Puso. A e re re ntse re lebile kwa ko o ele tlhoko ka bonako, o tlaa fitlhela e le gore company Selebi Phikwe ka SPEDU, re itse gore mo dingwageng e nngwe e fale; it packages, gatwe ke Choppies ke e fa tse di kwa tlase ga lesome kana masome a mararo, re sekai, e fale ke retail. Ke gore it packages, distributes tlaabo re lebile kwa Boteti, jaanong a re simololeng go and ke retail. Batswana ba sale ka eng tota? Dilo tse kana akanyetsa go nna le SPEDU ka koo. ga di a siamela lefatshe la Botswana, a re direng dilo tse re di kgaoganye. Yo mongwe o fale o dira dikoko ke go HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… fe sekai, o dira dijo tsa dikoko, o dira dikokwana, o dira dikoko tsa nama, o dira dikoko tsa mae, o dira dilo tse MR LELATISITSWE: Se le kwa Boteti, o a nkutlwa. tsotlhe. Dilo tse ga di a siamela lefatshe la Botswana HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… le fa gotwe go na le Competition Authority, ga e dire le fa e le sepe. Ra re dilo tse mmaetsho, di tlhodumele, MR LELATISITSWE: Ga ke itse gore o tlaa se bitsa re kgone go thusa Batswana ka fa go tshwanetseng ka o reng. teng. Ke a leboga Honourable Chairperson. MR MAJAGA: Point of clarification. Ke a leboga ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND Mr Chairperson, ke a leboga Honourable Member. WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Ke a leboga O e tshwere sentle, mme ke ne ke bona o kare o tlaa

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tlogela mafelo mangwe a a nang le bothata thata; go na gore le mo bogompienong ra re re leka go rotloetsa le Letlhakane, Boteti, Orapa le Sua e e nang le letswai Batswana, mme go thata gore ba kgone to supply mine le le kalo, mme e sa bone a special dispensation e e wa Debswana, while existing mo go rona. Dikgang tse tshwanang le ya SPEDU. di ntseng jaana mmaetsho, o ba bitse o ba botse gore mathata ke eng gore ba bo ba sokodisa Batswana ka MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a go leboga Honourable bokete jo bo kana. Selo se ke sengwe se se sokodisang Member. Ke itse gore kgaolo ya Sua e na le Mopalamente Batswana mo go tseneletseng mmaetsho. yo o nonofileng, wa lentswe le le kwa godimo. Re a tshwaragana mo letswaing le a buang ka lone gore tota E nngwe ke yone fela ya late payments; go duela bagaetsho, nako e gorogile ya gore low-hanging fruits, badirelapuso go bonya fela thata mmaetsho. A ko re gone mo go tshwanang ga bo matswai jaaka a bua, e lebelela dikgang tse, re tshwaragane le maphata a otlhe nne dingwe tsa dilo tse re ka di lebelelang, ra leka go re leke go nna sekai jaaka CEDA, jaaka re ne re utlwa dira ditiro mo lefatsheng le, mme dilo tse tsotlhe can be maloba e bua gore e kgona go duela mo sebakeng se facilitated by your ministry. sekhutshwane sa malatsinyana fela a a kwa tlase ga a supa. Golo mo go raya gore ba kgona to empower Mmaetsho, ke supe gape gore kana fa re le Puso, segolo Batswana, motho o kgona to circulate madi, a a dirisa jang ministry wa gago, ke one o o lebeletseng dilo tse go na le go tlhola a salwasalwa morago ke batho. A re dintsi tse di tsamaelanang le kgwebo. Tota go setse go lebeleleng ntlha e fela thata. tlhabisa ditlhong gore mo lefatsheng la rona go dira a tender kana theko le thekiso, for example; ke gore fa Fa ke boela gape kwa Boteti, jaaka ke buile, ke kgaolo tender e ka tswa gotwe go agiwa sepatela, fa tendering e e nang le bojanala jo bontsi. Ga ke itse gore a SEZA, people ba sena go itshupa, go tsaya lebaka la ngwaga ga le a e lebelela jalo. A le ne le sa akanye gore e nne (12 months) go fitlhelela motho a fiwa (awarded), gotwe nngwe that is considered mo dingwageng tsa gompieno, jaanong ke wena yo o fentseng (won) tender. Golo moo re lebeletse gore commodity e e epiwang koo, e dirisiwa ke go sotla Batswana, o a bo o tshwere madi a le ka fa o na le madi a mantsi. Jaanong, fa re ka lebelela tsa bong le hirile Batswana ka one. Badirelapuso ba nna ba Bojanala, re ka direla batho ba le bantsi ditiro kwa dikologa fela, eight to 12 months from the closing of a kgaolong ya Boteti, ra thusa lefatshe la Botswana. tender to award. Ke na le interest e ntsi ka gore go na le project e e tshwanetseng go dirwa kwa kgaolong ya Ke a utlwa mmaetsho gore la re le sekaseka molao wa CEDA. E re le fa le o sekaseka jalo, a re lekeng go ba rona. E sale e tswalwa a year ago, le gompieno go nna okeletsa madi go leka go thusa to drive mandate wa go go ntse gotwe Ministerial Tender Committee (MTC), go leka go neela Batswana madi gore ba itlhabolole ba hire nna go tsamaiwa fela jaana in between, ngwaga e bile ba bangwe. Ke tsaya gore dikgang di dintsi, ba bangwe o a wela. Fa o sekaseka, o fithela projects tsa mofuta ba tlaa di tsweledisa. Ke tseye sebaka se ke go reye ke o di le dintsi. Jaanong, ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse di re, ke go gololela madi gore o ye go a dirisa, le wena fa tshwenyang mmaetsho. motho a go lebile, o bona gore nnyaa, o tla o le mašhetla. Fa re tsena mo Molaong wa Citizen Economic; o o reng MR REGOENG (MOLEPOLOLE NORTH): Tanki o tla mo Ntlong e ka April, re a go lebogisa mo go one, Modulasetilo. Ke leboge fela thata gore morago ga ke molao o re o emetseng. Re tsaya gore o tlaa nonotsha lebaka rra, ke eletsa go ema ke bua, mme go pala. Ke Batswana gore e re gongwe fa Palamente e o fetisa, tsaya gore o a itse. Batswana ba nne le lentswe le le rileng mo itsholelong ya lefatshe la bone ka gore re ntse re bona tenders di HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… tsewa ke batho fela, ba tla ka briefcases jaaka go buiwa. MR REGOENG: Ke leboga Tona. Ke emela go mo Ke rialo gape ke re mma, fa o le Ministry of Investment, ema nokeng ka kopo ya gagwe e a e beileng Palamente Trade and Industry, o se ka wa lebelela tsa ga Goromente pele. Mmaetsho, re go eme nokeng fela thata. Ke fela. Lebelela le gone kwa mines, for example; kwa simolole ka go leboga thata go bo o re tlela ka Molao wa Orapa; ke tlaa tsaya mine o ka gore Goromente is a Economic Empowerment. Nako yotlhe re ntse re bua ka main shareholder. Go setse go tlhabisa ditlhong gore policy, mme kana fa re bua ka Economic Empowerment gompieno fa o leka to register o le a small company, Policy, e ne e sena meno. Go ne go sena se o neng o ka o kgona go tsaya bo two years, just for you to be a se dira, Goromente go sena se a ka se dirang, le bone supplier ya Debswana. Golo mo go re tlhabisa ditlhong bagwebi; Batswana, go sena se ba ka se dirang. Fa o tla

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ka molao, ke tsaya gore o tlaa nna le meno, dilo tsa rona tlise madi mo gae. Re se ka ra ikganelela fela mo gae di tlaa simolola go tsamaya sentle ka fa go tshwanetseng segolobogolo re lebile gore market wa Botswana o ka teng. Ke eletsa go kopa gore fa o tla ka molao o, monnyennyane fela thata. Fa gongwe le fa re re re a o itebaganye thata le bagwebi ba ba botlana ba re ba dira mo Botswana, o fitlhela e le go gotlhagotlhana re bitsang micro and small businesses ka gore gantsi fa lwela market o monnyennyane. Jaanong a ko e re fa di re dira melao, o kare re lebile thata go simolola kwa baakanngwa mmaetsho, o letle, mme o kgothatse gore go ba medium scales go ya kwa godimo; o fitlhela o di letlelele Batswana ba ba kgonang gore ba ye go dira kare ke bone ba ba amegang fela thata. Kwa tlase kwa dikgwebo ka kwa ntle. re nang le bagwebi ba ba botlana, borre le bomme ba ba mo seterateng, o kare molao o ga o tsenelele thata Mmaetsho, fa ke tswelela, re bue ka Leather Industry go bona gore o ka ba thusa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Park kwa Lobatse. Go na le sengwe o ne o sa se bua, Keletso le kopo ya me ke gore jaaka o baakanya molao kana wa tlhalosa gore le ya go se dira jang. Maabane o, o itebaganye thatathata le bone ba bantsintsi ba ba Tona wa Temothuo fa a bua, o tlhalositse gore o leka to tletseng mo seterateng ka gore ke bone ba ba tshwereng prioritize Botswana Meat Commission (BMC). Kana se lefatshe la Botswana, mme o kare re ba kgaphetse kwa ke se itseng, leather park e ne e beile thata gore source thoko. Ke leboga fela thata gore mma, re emetse molao of raw material di ya go tswa kwa BMC, supplemented o ka matlho a mahibidu. Re ntse re lebile o o dirisa e ke barui. Jaanong kana fa re ya go neela bosemangmang le policy, mme e sena sepe se re ka ikemelang ka sone. BMC, gongwe ba ka re, tshwetso ya rona ke gore re ya go rekisa kwa re batlang teng, ba bo ba tlola leather Ke itumela thata fa o bega gore lekalana la rona la CEDA park, e re kwa morago e bo e nna white elephant, go le setse le thusitse banalebogole ba le bantsinyana ka sena kwa e tsayang raw materials teng. Golo foo a madi a a kanang ka P7.4 million, ditiro di bo di ya go ko o go sekaseke, gore a mme ka re simolotse project nna 74. Ke maiteko fela a matona ka gore ba ntse ba ya leather park, maabane go ne go begiwa gore P290 kgaphetswe kwa thoko. Ke dumela gore le bone mo million is allocated project eo, a e ya go nna sustainable bogompienong, ba ikutlwa Botswana jwa bone sentle, fa BMC e sena go nna e neelwa ba ba tlaa e neelwang ke gore jaanong le bone ke Batswana, ba na le seabe mo go Rre Dikoloti le lephata la gagwe. tswelediseng itsholelo ya lefatshe la Botswana. Ke ntse HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… ke le mo go yone ya CEDA, ditsamaiso (guidelines) tse o reng ba CEDA ba a di baakanya, a ko ba di baakanye, MR REGOENG: Ga ke bone a tlaa lekana rraetsho, fa mme ke kopa gore fa ba dira jalo… Batswana ba lela ka re bua ka a mega project. gore di thata, ba ka ya go bona madi ka tsela e e ntseng jang, ba di baakanye ka maikaelelo a go di tlhofofatsa Se sengwe se ke neng ke batla go bua ka sone ke gore Batswana ba le bantsi ba tle ba kgone go adima gore, kgang e ya dikonteraka, go nna ba bangwe ba kgotlhakgotlhana ba ipelaetsa gore ga ba a bona tender madi. Maikemisetso le maikaelelo ke gore, di bo di ga go a reng, mo go yone e ya leather park, ka re it is a le sectorial focused jaaka fa o ne o bega. Gantsintsi highly specialized project, go ka nna jang Tona fa e ka re Batswana fa ba tsena mo dikgwebong, botlhe ba ya ka May wa simolola go aga leather park, ga bo go nna le ntlha e le nngwefela. Fa go ka nna le specific sectorstse a direct appointment ya dikonteraka; ba ba yang go aga re tlaabong re remeletse mo go tsone re le Puso, re bona golo moo. So that re tswe mo dikgannnyeng tse e tlaa gore tse di ka re isa fa pele ka go tsosolosa itsholelo reng yo mongwe a sena go fiwa konteraka, yo mongwe ya rona, ka go e godisa, le go dira ditiro, go tlaabo go a bo a ipelaetsa a re e ne e mo lebanye, e tshwanetse le botoka fela thata. Go fa priority mo sectors tse re ene, a bo a emisa project e e ntseng jaana, dingwaga tse tlaabong re bona di na le matshwanedi a go dira ka tsela pedi tse tharo di bo di feta e ntse e eme. Ke kopa gore e e ntseng jalo. o lebelele, o bone gore a go ka se ke go nne botlhokwa Ke kopa gape gore, guidelines tse fa re di baakanya gore go nne le a direct appointment ya rakonteraka yo o mmaetsho, a re lebeng gore a ga di ka ke tsa letlelela yang go aga this Leather Park Industry. Batswana go adima madi gone kwa CEDA go ya go HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… dira dikgwebo ka kwa ntle ga Botswana. Golo moo le gone go ka re thusa gore Batswana ba tswe to explore MR REGOENG: Ee rra; direct appointment. Se ke dikgaolo tse di ka kwa ntle, kana mafatshe a a kwa ntle se buang rraetsho fa o sa e tlhaloganye, ka re, this is a gore ba ka se ke ba dire businesses gone foo, mme ba specialized project, re senke batho ba re tlhomamisang

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gore ba ka aga project e to our specification, e nne bone mo dikgaolong ka go farologana jaana, ba ba eletsang ba re ba rayang re re, tlaya le ageng, e seng mo re dirang go dira mashi, ba ya go a dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang, open tender gore mongwe le mongwe can submit, e re a bo a ya go tsena kwa MilkAfric. Keletso ke gore, mo kamoso a bo a re, “nnyaa, e ne e tshwanetse nna,” a bo a metseng ya rona ka go farologana, go na le batho ba ba e isa kwa court. Ke sone se ke se buang seo. eletsang go dira projects tsa mashi, mme a tshwanetse a felele a le koo ka gore ke bone ba re tsayang gore they HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… are going to be major producers or processors tsa one MR REGOENG: Ee le bone bao! mashi a a ntseng jaana. O ele tlhoko, mme o thapolole letsogo la gago mo dikgaolwaneng, balemi-barui ba ba MR MOATLHODI: Procedure. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi leng teng, ba ba eletsang gore le bone ba ka dira jalo, ba Modulasetilo. Ke a go leboga Honourable Rre Regoeng. nne le seabe sa gore ba tle ba kgone go thusa gore re nne A wa lebala gore lefatshe le ke la tsamaiso e e duleng le mashi a a lekanetseng go nowa mo lefatsheng la rona matsogo, mo re direlang dilo mo pontsheng? A jaanong la Botswana. wa re re simolole re ye kwa tshokamong? A wa rialo? Modulasetilo, ka one mafoko ao, mma ke se ka ka ya MR REGOENG: Nnyaa rra, ga ke rialo. lololo ka gore nako le yone e ntshiile. Ke eme gone foo. Ke a leboga. MR CHAIRPERSON: Iketle pele Honourable Regoeng! MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Thank you Mr Chairperson. First, let me just state that I do not support MR REGOENG: Direct appointment … this budget allocation request. It is not on account of MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Moatlhodi, a mme lack of appreciation of the importance the ministry e ne e le procedure; in all fairness? Kana o ne o batla plays. I will demonstrate to you why I cannot lend my clarification? support to the current request. MR MOATLHODI: In all fairness Modulasetilo, e ne e This is the ministry responsible as stated in your le procedure. Gakere all matters are done procedurally; submission, for the Economy and Employment including tendering. Thematic Working Group (TWG). In other words, if we HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… were to focus on any ministry for jobs, it is ought to be the ministry that I am considering this afternoon. What MR REGOENG: Ee rra, ga ke re re tswe mo tsamaisong. has happened is that, we have reduced the Development Ke gore go na le mefuta e mentsi e o ka appoint ka yone, Budget for this ministry, or it is being proposed that we ga se gore o tlaabo o dule mo tsamaisong, nngwe ya reduce the Development Budget for this ministry by 35 tsone ke e ke buang ka yone eo. per cent. We are starving organs under the ministry that have generated jobs or funds. We want to commit less Mmaetsho, ke tswelela mo puong ya me, go na le madi money to job creation and commit more funds to air a a neng ba CEDA ba a beetse fa thoko a P5 million, assets. a go leka go thusa bagwebi ba ba batlang go tsena mo dikgwebong, go dira ditiro dingwe tse e tlaa reng ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… ise ba simolole business, ba kgone go thusiwa ka one. P5 million o ke tsaya gore o monnyennyane. Ke kopa MR SALESHANDO: Yes, that is what we are doing. gore o kope lephatana le le oketse madi ao, ka gore mo We want to commit more funds to air assets, and give dipalong tse le di re fileng fa, fa ke dira dipalo tsa teng, less to CEDA which creates jobs. That is what we are ka P5 million yo, tota batho ba ba ka thusiwang are less being asked to do. Give less to Botswana Development than 40. Jaanong kana re lebile Batswana ka kakaretso Corporation (BDC) that creates jobs. For me, I cannot ba ba batlang go dira dikgwebo. Madi ao ka re a kwa associate myself with that move. I would not be tlase. Fa o aba madi mma, o ba tsenyetse lentswana, a supporting this submission for today, but I need to make bo a oketsega gona le gore a bo a ema fa. the point. I however, appreciate some of things that the ministry does. I think they are the only ministry that I Modulasetilo, e nngwe kgang e ke ka eletsang go e know of, that has job targets. The Ministry of Investment, tshwara, ke ya MilkAfric mmaetsho. Ke ne ke tsere Trade and Industry, for the year 2019/2020 had a job gore, le yone e tla re fa o bua, o bo o ka nankola gore target of 7 121 jobs. They have created 8 357. They have

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a different thinking from the Ministry of Finance and to look for investors, they get a simple question; “is it Economic Development who overall, is superintendent. true that I could wake up and be told to leave the country Those of you who look down on job targets, better know the following day and I am not told why? I am not given that one of the biggest phrases in Business Studies, an opportunity to answer to any allegations against me.” “if you cannot measure it, you cannot manage it.” By Of course, no, but the days are not gone because the law refusing to have job targets, you are essentially behaving is there. You see, the problem with the BDP, is that you like an individual who wants to say that they plan to lose always want to approach issues on personalities. weight, but they do not know how much they weigh. They are not interested in saying how much they plan HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… to lose in six months or 12 months and they do not even MR SALESHANDO: Do not approach issues on see the need to buy a scale, go ikala fela. Sa bone ke personalities because even before President Khama, catch phrases fela tsa bo transformation, knowledge- President Mogae deported people. Before President based economy and high income. You are not taking this Mogae came into office, President Masire deported country anywhere with this sort of thinking that we are people. The African Union (AU) has ruled against this seeing in a number of ministries. You see, the tragedy practice in the case of a Kenneth Good matter. So... as I said at the beginning, is that our reward to them for creating jobs, they are proposing that we give you less; HONOURABLE MEMBER: Owaii! meaning that we are interested in fewer jobs than what could have otherwise been possible. MR SALESHANDO: Utlwa fela! This is the transformation you are hoping for. If this is the There is the issue that you bring up of textile and transformation you are looking for, God have mercy. clothing sector, as the new sector that has high potential Recently, we have been talking about the Directorate for creating jobs. I hope in your response, you will find of Intelligence and Security (DIS) on tenders and time to explain how this was determined, because not you see, Honourable Peggy Serame, as the Minister long ago, that was the plan for Selebi Phikwe. That is the responsible for business, you are quite, e kare ga o bone reason we have all those empty shells in Selebi Phikwe. se se diragalang. Which business man will invest in this It was mainly meant to drive the textile sector, but it economy? If they are told that after being awarded a never worked out. What has fundamentally changed tender, as was the case in Maun for the water project, for us to now say, this is the sector that ought to create the DIS can direct that, “e seng yoo, give the tender to jobs. I would have thought that if we are really looking someone else,” and the new DIS appointed beneficiary at industrialisation, we ought to be looking at adding does not have to go to court. The ones who were value to the products we export in their raw form at the legitimately allocated originally, are the ones in court moment. day in, day out, whereas the other beneficiary who was not allocated, their interests are represented by the Doing business environment; you know, I am not Attorney General. So, wena fela o le Minister, o ka ya surprised that it has been a downward roll, from the kwa go mang a mo raya wa re, this environment is good days of, I think it was the Former Minister, Neo Daniel for investment. Moroka. When he got to the ministry, all talk was about business environment and he got all the accolades Delayed payments; I want to add my word on the issue because he had the credentials as a corporate man. It has of delayed payments, yes, it is worth celebrating that one been a one-way traffic and we know some of the reasons or two departments are promising quicker payments. why we are unable to have any meaningful turnaround. Why can you not boldly make a commitment today, that your entire ministry and all the parastatals under your One former Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of what ministry will within the coming financial year, make was then called Botswana Export Development and sure that payments can be done within 30 days? At the Investment Authority (BEDIA), who later became a most 30 days, why can you not make that commitment Minister of Trade, you know, our conversations before so that the other ministries may follow suit? The desire she was a Minister, a le kwa BEDIA, she used to plead is to have a shorter period than 30 days, but fa o bereka with me, to say, “Dumelang, can you do something about le ba ba tshwanang le ba ba ntseng ba re, owaii! fa, you this thing of people being deported without being told can expect gore bone fa re re 30 days, he will be more why they are deported.” This is because as they go out content with 30 months.

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HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… kwa Francistown ba ya go kopa dithuso koo, jaanong ka gore office ya CEDA e mo kgaolong ya Chobe, ba MR SALESHANDO: The leather park; now, simolotse go ba thusa thata mo go itumedisang. Honourable Peggy, I am sure this one must have been there before you became the Permanent Secretary at the Minister, ke eletsa re promote a culture of ministry. I am not sure when you became the Permanent entrepreneurship mo Batswaneng. Batswana ba itse, e Secretary, but you know, you are sounding like a broken bile ba tlhaloganye gore go godisa itsholelo ya rona le record. Tenth Parliament, re ne re le fa re bolelelwa go atlega mo go godiseng itsholelo ya rona, ke gore le ka leather park. The then Member of Parliament, Rre rona our mindset has to change. Ga re re itse, re ithute Modubule, o dule fa go ntse go lebogelwa leather park. gore go gweba ke gone fela mo go ka re thusang. Ke Ga tla yo mongwe gotwe Sadique Kebonang, a tla fa eletsa gore go nne le tomagano e e tseneletseng, e e a ntse a lebogela leather park, o tsamaya e ntse e ise tsepameng, e tlhabologile gareng ga ministry wa gago e simolole. Go tlile yo mongwe o bidiwa Matsheka, le ba re ba fileng boikarabelo jwa go tsamaisa Puso ya o lebogela leather park. 13th Parliament, there will selegae, Local Government. Le fa re ka fefosa mesepele be a new Member of Parliament a bua gore jaanong ya peeletso ka kwano, ministry wa gago le makalana ke solofela gore sengwe se ya go diragala. Now, the a gago a a farologaneng, bonya re bo bona kwa ministry and its business cannot behave in this manner dikgaolong. Re bo bona kwa dikgaolong jaana Minister go bo gotwe re tseye fela gore this is transformation e le ka gore, allocation ya lefatshe e dirwa gone koo, bo e buang yone e. building control ba gone koo, licensing tse dingwe di dirwa gone ka koo, ke gone kwa go nyafala go leng I would have thought Honourable Peggy Serame, that teng. Jaanong we need to change mind-sets gore ba itse you will also talk about this huge project, which in the gore boikarabelo jwa bone, bo tshwanetse jwa tshwana run up to elections, the President said the is going to le jwa gago jwa go leka go tlhabolola peeletso le go create thousands and thousands of jobs. When can we ngokela babeeletsi mo dikgaolwaneng ka go farologana. expect the jobs from the electric car to start coming through? How many are you expecting this financial Go kile ga bo go na le thulaganyo bogologolo Motlotlegi year? If it was a joke, emela April 1, o dire statement. Mme Serame, rona re godile re itse ka re ne re golela kwa Ke a leboga. Chobe, kgaolwana nngwe le nngwe e na le mo gotweng show. Re ne re e bitsa show bogologolo, mme malatsing ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY a re di bitsa trade fairs. I think we need to rekindle that EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND appetite gore dikgaolwana ka go farologana ga tsone, di TECHNOLOGY (MR SHAMUKUNI): Ke a leboga simolole go dira these shows just to showcase products Modulasetilo. Modimo a go segofatse. Mma ke supe tse di dirwang le dikgwebo tse di potlana tse di dirwang gore ke bakile Modulasetilo, I will not question sepe. mo mafelong a a farologaneng. Ke ne ke re re ba thuse Le nna ke emela to support proposal ya ga Honourable ka megopolo ya gore shows ba di dire ba tlhoafetse. Minister, Peggy Serame. Re mo rebolele madi a ye Maloba kwa meeting wa Botswana Stock Exchange go tsweledisa ditiro tsa lephata la gagwe. Ministry wa (BSE), e ne e le la ntlha ke nna exposed to Pusha BW. gagwe o botlhokwa ka it coordinates this Thematic Ke ne ka itumedisiwa ke all the products tse Batswana Working Group (TWG) ya Economy and Employment. ba di dirang, ke ne ke sa di itse, tsa quality fela e e E e leng gore mo go yone, go na le lekalana la tourism rileng, well branded but ga re di bone in the shelves tsa le agriculture and those are the main phase tsa economy wholesalers and supermarkets. It is through shows mo ya kgaolo e ke e emetseng ya Chobe. Ke supe gore ke go ka re thusang gore re simolole go bona dilo tse, re di mo ema nokeng thata, gore a ye go atolosa mananeo a a epolole, re di bone, re itse gore ba gweba ba le kwa kae, yang go tlhabolola makalana a. re simolole go di reka, re tsosolose dikgwebo tsa bone. Gongwe fela ke simolole ka go mo akgolela office ya Small, Medium and Micro Enterprises (SMME), CEDA e e mo kgaolong ya me. Fa e sale go nna ga Mr Chairperson, ke rata ke supe gore ke dumalana yone Modulasetilo, re bone e tlhabolola makalana a, le Minister fa a re these are the engines of economic ka lebelo le le itumedisang. Batswana ba ba neng ba growth and job creation. Mo mafelong a mangwe, ke palelwa ke go tsweledisa dikgwebo tsa bone, re bone one makalana a a tsamaisang itsholelo, ba SMME, re ba nna le opportunity ya go bona madi kwa CEDA, ba tshwanetse ra ba tlhokomela tota ra ba fa support e ba tsweledisa dikgwebo tsa bone. Bogologolo ba ne ba ya e tlhokang.

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Honourable Morwaeng o na le Programme ya Poverty Pandamatenga e re fa opportunity e e seng kana ka sepe. Eradication e e leng gore they exit some of the If you look at production ya grain mo Botswana, 60 per beneficiaries from that programme. I think we need a cent that we produce e tswa kwa Pandamatenga and that specialised programme e e ka re thusang gore re tseye is one area which in terms of agro processing and value batho ba as they exit, re ba tlhabolole e nne bagwebi ba addition, ga re re e fe priority, re tlhabolole that SEZ ba potlana ka programmes tse di ka ba thusang go bona gore e kgontshe gore re dire jalo. finance, to school them in entrepreneurship gore ba itse gore go gweba go tewa eng. Le gone fela go supa gore Diteraka tse re di bonang di feta Honourable Serame, we link our programmes adding from beneficiaries tsa tse di yang kwa Zambia le Zimbabwe, kwa Democratic poverty eradication. Ba dira all the products ka dithuso Republic of Congo (DRC) ba re they transport dijo tse di tseo, ba kgone to graduate, re supe gore jaanong e ka tswang kwa South Africa, tse dingwe tse re ka di itirela nna bagwebi ba ba potlana, ba ba ka thusang go tsamaisa fela mo gae especially around area ya Pandamatenga. lefatshe le. Re akanyetse such a programme. Ke sone se ke reng gongwe, let us reprioritise our SEZs gore ya Pandamatenga le yone re e dire ka bofefo jo re Doing business and competitiveness, Honourable ka bo kgonang. Ke ne ke re ke bakile Modulasetilo. Ke Minister, ke tseela gore we have achieved a lot and a leboga. we are doing our best as a Government ka some of the reforms tse re di dirang go leka go tokafatsa seemo sa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… peeletso mo lefatsheng la rona. My concern fela gongwe ke the way we communicate ka teng. I think we just need ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL gore re oketse lebelo ka the way we communicate some GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT of these reforms. Gongwe re tlaabo re di dira, re bo re (MR MODUKANELE) Thank you Mr Chairperson. nna mo Botswana re tseela gore mafatshe ba tlaa itse Ke ne ke re ke emela to support Minister mo kopong ya gagwe. Sa bobedi ke batla go akgola Minister gore gore go diragala eng, but I think we need to go out there, e kare o emesitse pina e e ntseng e opelwa ka kwa ka re bontshe lefatshe gore re tokafatsa seemo sa rona ka lebaka ya targets. Ke solofela gore fa e le gore go na le tsela e e ntseng jang. Re lapisiwa ke go bala ka tsa bo e nngwe e e tlaa opelwang, e tlaa nna e ntšha. Minister, Rwanda fa o ya kwa mafatsheng. Le mo areas tse tota ke batla go go akgola motho wetsho gore… tse o sa solofeleng gore o ka bona leina Rwanda, le kgabola in some of these magazines; in flight magazines. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ... (Murmurs)... O fitlhela mafatshe a ithekisa tota go supa gore ba dira sengwe kwa ba tswang teng, go leka go tlhabolola MR MODUKANELE: Didimalang! I have seven peeletso. Jaanong le rona re tseye sekai seo gongwe re points here to raise. Ke batla go go akgolela gore wa tlhoafale le mosepele wa go leka go tlhalosa le go supa re you are going to rationalise parastatals under your reforms tse re di dirang. ministry. I think this one is long overdue and it is most welcome gore re tle re kgone go bona gore re ya kae. Export promotion, you said gore re kgone to transform itsholelo ya rona, re kabakanye itsholelo ya rona, ke fela Selo sa bobedi ke batla go bua ka Mabogo Dinku. gore re rotloetse dikgwebo tse di ka re thusang gore re Mabogo Dinku is a good programme, especially for ba rekisetse mafatshe a mangwe. ba kwa tlase. Gongwe se o ka se tokafatsang fa, you need an aggressive communication strategy to penetrate Honourable Dikoloti le Honourable Matsheka maloba dikgaolo tse di tshwanang le Lerala-Maunatlala. ba ne ba bua thata ka agro processing gore gongwe Maabane ke ne ke lebile mo television go buiwa ka that is one area e ka bofefo jo re ka bo kgonang, re Mabogo Dinku, ka ba ka leletsa bangwe kwa gae ke ba ka dirang gore re tlise babeeletsi ba ba ka kgonang go botsa gore is this the programme e ke kileng ka utlwa tla go re thusa go tlhabolola dijo tsa rona, our value le bua ka yone? Ba re, “ee,” la ema fa kae, ba ema addition so that we produce enough to feed ourselves mo phefong. Go supa gore they did not have enough as a country and even surplus for us to export. Jaanong information le go rotloediwa gore ba tswelele le nnetane ke tshwenngwa ke gore gongwe re prioritise Special e. Le rona re tlaa tswelela re ba rotloetsa Minister. Ga Economic Zones (SEZs) tsa Pandamatenga. Ke tseela ke itse gore gongwe e kare nako nngwe fa re dikologa, gore we just need to look at our priority list, gongwe re buisa mo diphuthegong tsa Dikgotla, motho a tsaya re se ise kwa godimo, ka gore fa e le gore maikaelelo one or two people from your office go bolelela batho ka a rona ke gore re dire dijo which we can export, I think programmes tse mo go tseneletseng, kana ra dira letsatsi

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lengwe ba tla ba bolelelwa ka programmes tse di ntseng HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... jaana, ka gore di ka ba thusa thata. It is a very good programme, I like it. MR MODUKANELE: Rra?

SPEDU; ke a leboga Tona, go na le ofisi kwa Maunatlala HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Inaudible)... ya SPEDU, but I am still to see and engage the office ka MR MODUKANELE: Nnyaa ke Motswana, Gaborone dikgannyana tse dintsi. Ke re Rre Hikuama, kana pina yo o mo Botswana. I have the right to talk about… ele e o ntseng o e opela o kare jaanong e dule molodi... MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Point of elucidation. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... Ke a leboga Modulasetilo. Thank you very much for MR MODUKANELE: ...o tlaa batla e nngwe motho yielding Honourable Duks. Honourable Modukanele, wetsho, nte ke tswelele ke bue. Tona, kwa kgaolong ya ke dumalana le mafoko a gago a Gaborone, o fitlhela me re na le batho ba ipitsa Kgetsi ya Tsie, Kgetsi ya Tsie a le bodutu. Fa re lebile gore kana this is the centre of e ke bomme ba ikgobokantse, ke kopa Tona gore fa o everything Botswana basically, gongwe kwa pele o ka kgona a ko lephata la gago one way or another le ba ema nokeng gore re akanyetse jaaka o ntse o bua ka atumele, and get to appreciate what they are doing le Gaborone Main Mall, o ka e akanyetsa gore gongwe re gore ba ka thusiwa jang, ba godisiwa jang. Bomme ba e dire Special Economic Zone (SEZ) ya entertainment, are doing a good and splendid job. Ke dumela gore fa would you support such a move? Tšheru o raya eng? ba ka atumelwa, ba ka godisiwa ba bo ba tlhama ditiro Kana mo Gaborone tšheru re raya banyana. mo kgaolong ele, ka gore Kgaolo ya Lerala-Maunatlala kana Tswapong ka bophara, o kae yo wa Sefhare- HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Ramokgonami a tlhola a tlhodia ka fa? MR MODUKANELE: Thank you Mr Chairperson. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... Rre Healy, I should say that I agree with everything you MR MODUKANELE: ...ke re kgaolo ya rona e na said, except the last word which I do not... le meamuso e mentsi thata. Go marula, kana marula a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... ntsha ditšheru, ditšheru tse go tswa some oils mo go tsone. Go na le magapu…(Laughter!)…Re tshwanetse MR MODUKANELE: Ditšheru ke moko o o tswang gore re lebelele value chain ya dilo tse, ka gore ga se mo dadeng ya morula monna. setopoti fela le go nwela mo mpeng tse di tshwanetseng go ka tswa mo legapung, a lot more things can come out HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... of legapu. Jaanong, the Leader of the Opposition ene o MR MODUKANELE: O a e itse dada? Ke bua bua ka setopoti, ga ke bue ka stopoti. Nnyaa… Setswapong jaanong, but at the end of the day Mr HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... Chairperson, I want to on a very serious note ke akgole Tona for a job well done. Tiro e ntle ga e nke tlhoka go MR MODUKANELE: Anyway, nte ke bue ke batla bonala. Ke re Tona, keep this good job. Kwa bofelong go wela motho wetsho. Ke batla go wela jaana Tona ke jwa letsatsi, ke kopa gore all the Members of this House re, Gaborone yo, kana gompieno re bua ka the coming ba eme nokeng Tona mo kopong ya gagwe. Ga ke Forbes 30. Ke na le tsholofelo e bile ke eletsa Tona dumele gore there is any serious thinking person, yo gore, gongwe we should seek how we can make old mall o ka emang in this House a bo a re ga a eme nokeng busy, bagolo bone ba ba buang ka stopoti gomopieno ba, ministry o, o e leng one fa re bua ka engine of growth, gongwe e re mo maitseboeng re bo re itisitse gone fale mme kana fa re bua ka engine of growth, re bua ka one rona ba re tswang kwa Tswapong, re tla re ba paketse ministry o the leader of the Opposition. setopoti ba tle ba nwe, ba ba tswang kwa Bokalaka ba ba tlele delele re ba rekisetse kana e apeilwe ba je dilo tse, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. e le maungo a a tswang mo lefatsheng lone le. We just MR MODUKANELE: No, o mo eme nokeng ke tiro e have to find a way of making Gaborone lively, e se ka ya e ntle a ba e dirang, not to reduce the money, nobody re ka dikeresemose e bo Gaborone e le letlotla. We have has talked of reducing money. Mr Hikuama… to get people back into Gaborone, re bone gore re dira jang gore Gaborone a nne lively. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Yield.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure. A simolola ka go lemoga gore, kana tota matlho otlhe a kwa go ene, kwa lephateng le, jaaka gompieno LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR bothata jwa lefatshe le e le letlhoko la ditiro le bana ba SALESHANDO): Point of procedure. Ke re ke gakolole ba gobeyang mo mebileng go sena ditiro. O tshwere the Member holding the floor gore, you are contradicting yone namane e tona ya gore a tsosolose itsholelo ya what the Minister has said. The Minister has said they lefatshe e bile a tlhame ditiro jaaka a bua ka Economy are reducing the Development Budget by 35 per cent, and Employment Thematic Group (EETG). Ke lebogela you are standing there and saying no one has said that gore se o ne a se bua e bile a gakologewa gore fa a dira funds will be reduced, mme o tswa mo Khuduthamageng jaana a se dire ka go akaretsa botlhe, inclusivity and (Cabinet) o a itse gore le dumalane gore le fokotsa madi. sustainability le gore a e nne sennela ruri, fa re re ditiro, Jaanong, boela mo boammaaruring o papamale o re re bo re raya ditiro tsa sennelaruri, se ke se lebogela fela thata. wena o ema nokeng gore madi a bo a fokoditswe jaana. Ke dumele gore ke ne ke sa lemoge gore madi a MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Leader of the fokoditswe, fa e le gore a fokoditswe, gone a ka bo Opposition, a mme was he out of procedure? a okeditswe tota. Kana matlho a rona otlhe a kwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ganetsa Minister. lephateng leo. Bagaetsho re tshwanetse re lebogele golo mo ga targets. MR CHAIRPERSON: Nnyaa. Boaamaaruri ke gore o beile targets, e bile targets MR MODUKANELE: Fa e ne e le gore Leader of the dingwe tse a neng a di beile, o ne a di beile targets ka Opposition is acquired by qualification, re ne re tlaare April 2018 to March 2019. A beile targets tsa gore o o feitse the Leader of the Opposition. Ka go fiwa fela, tlaabo a kgobokantse P2,3 billion, mme a dira P3,168 ga gona molato. Ke wele jaana ke re Tona, re go ema billion, ke selo se re tshwanetseng gore re se leboga. Between April and December ka 2019, le gone a ne a nokeng, tlhokomologa ba ba reng ga ba eme nokeng feta targets tsa gagwe, seo bagaetsho re se leboga, ke kopo ya gago, re tlaa ba bona 2024, ba tlaabo ba seyo tiro e ntle thata. gakere.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wena o tlaabo o le kae? Se ke se lebogelang le go feta foo, ke gore a re mo dingwageng tse pedi tse di tlang, o ipeetse seelo sa gore MR MODUKANELE: I would have retired, but lona Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) le ditiro tsa kgwebo we will make sure you are all not here there. Ke ne ke e e tswang kwa ntle le mo gae o ya go dira 50 billion. re ka mafoko fela a a kalo, ke tsaya gore my points are O ntse a feta targets tsa bo 2 billion, jaanong o tloletse clear; Kgetsi e ya Tsie, economic empowerment re e kwa go 50 billion. Ke sone se ke reng kana tota ga gona buile… sepe se o ka se dirang o sa ipeele seelo; seelo se a thusa bagaetsho. Golo mo ke tiro e ntle thata. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... Bagaetsho, tumelo ya me ke gore go tlhama ditiro ke MR MODUKANELE: Kana ke gore.... kgwetlho e tona mme kana kwa mafatsheng a mangwe a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... a tlhabologileng, ke selo se se dirwang ke private sector. Se Goromente a se dirang ke go tlisa melao e e dirang MR MODUKANELE: …(Laughter!)… Lona le batla gore go nne motlhofo gore private sector kana bagwebi gore re ye kwa ditlhareng, but I will invite you to ditlhare ba dire ditiro. Tota go tlhama ditiro ga se kgwetlho e kwa Lerala-Maunatlala if you want us to do that. Here tona ya ga Goromente. Goromente ene o tlisa a playing we are talking serious points. …(Laughter!)… Tanki field e e dirang gore re kgone go tlhama ditiro. Modulasetilo. Bagaetsho, selo se setona mo go tlhameng ditiro se ke MR MOLEBATSI (MMADINARE): Ke a leboga dumelang gore re tshwanetse go se dira re le Goromente Modulasetilo, ke go rata ke go ratile tota mogolole. kana lephata la ga Mma Serame ke gore a re nneng Bagaetsho mma ke simolole ka go leboga Tona Mme le melao e e tsepameng, e e rotloetsang bagwebi mo Serame, jaaka a ne a bua ka boripana a re baya pego ya Botswana le ba ba tswang kwa ntle go tlhama ditiro. gagwe e ntlentle. Bagwebi le babeeletsi ba batla melao e e tsepameng,

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e e boikanyego. Ka Sekgoa ke mo gotweng policy food import bill ya rona ya 7.745 billion. Re ka dira jalo. certainty. Fa mogwebi a belaela gore ke tlaabo ke tsena Go na le metsi a a tswang kwa matamong. Ke lebogele mo lefatsheng le mme e re kamoso melao e bo e fetogile Tona Rre Mzwinila gore ba bo ba dumalane gore go kana melao e ke neng ke e bala gotwe ke tle kwano, fa dirwe pipe e e isang metsi kwa polaseng e nngwe ya ke tsena kwa ke ya go fitlhela e sa nne yone, bagwebi rona ya Mmadinare gore go lengwe dinamune tsa Selebi ba a bolelelana. Fa gongwe ga go tlhokafale gore Phikwe citrus fruits. Ke a go leboga rra. A go se ka ga Goromente a tsamae le mafatshe a bolelela bagwebi; felela gone foo; a go dirwe jalo ka temo e nngwe e. investors ba bua ka bobone. Fa yo mongwe a ka relela dilo di sa tsamaya sentle kana re ne re mmiditse mme re Mmaetsho, ke kopa lephata la gago gore re na le lephata sa dire jaaka re ne re kwadile kana re dirile, go tlile go le gotweng National Agro Processing (NAPRO) kwa nna thata. Phikwe. Se NAPRO e se dirang ke gore e reka produce tsa horticulture mo masimong a a mo dikgaolong tsa Ke batla go rotloetsa gore fa re kwadile jaaka re rona. Ke kopa gore a e nne kgwebo e e tsepameng, e kwadile gore SPEDU e tlaa fa se le se, a re direng tona, e godisiwe. E bile ke kopa gore gongwe e ntshiwe jaaka re solofetsa. Re ne re le kwa Phikwe maloba re kwa Lephateng la Temothuo, e nne nngwe ya maphata le Mapalamente re tswa mo thutong e e tsepameng ya a gago ka gore ke yone e e dirang gore re nne le temo SPEDU mme fa re ya go bona on the ground kana kwa e e nang le boleng. Kana batho ba a lema gompieno, madirelong, e ne e le se sele. E ne e se se re se bonang mme ba tlhoke gore ba isa kae dijwalo, ditamati di bola mo pampiring. Ke phoso golo moo. Ga go ise go nne fela. Fa nne NAPRO e di tsaya e ya to process them, e gontsi, a re se ka ra go papamatsa kwa mafatsheng fa re dira atchar le chakalaka, re nna le tsholofelo. E dira jalo ise re ipaakanye, ba ka tloga ba re tlhobogela ruri. Sone mme go kwa tlase; ga go go tona mo go kalo. Fa go ka seo bagaetsho, ke sone se se ntshwenyang. Dilo tsa teng nna go tona, ra go atolosa, e ka nna selo se se siameng re ne re di bona di saletse kwa morago mme o bona gore thata. ke tse re ka di dirang gone fa ka fa molaong. Fa re ne re solofeditse batho gore Goromente o tlaa reka 30 per Le yone NAPRO e go fa go dirwa, e se ka yare fa e sena cent ya dithoto le ditirelo tsa bone mme fa re tsena kwa go nna e dira atchar tse, e bo e le gore e siana e batla Phikwe, maphata a ga Goromente a itatola batho. Rre yo go bua le bo Choppies e re e a market, a go dirwe jaaka o dirang bulbs fa a tla, ga gona yo o rekang mo go ene kwa Botswana Institute for Technology Research and ka gore ga re gatelele melao e re e buang fa gore ra re re Innovation (BITRI). Sengwe le sengwe se se dirwang tlisa melao, go tswa fa ga re e sale morago. kwa BITRI, a ke dipone kana eng, e dira e le sure gore sengwe le sengwe is absorbed ke Goromente. Bagaetsho, gape ke kopa gore a re fokotseng ditiro tse di mo maphateng a ga Goromente le parastatals. Central MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, Transport Organisation (CTO) e santse e na le fleet e e SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR kanakana ya dikoloi, ke eng re sa dire gore bagwebi, RAKGARE): On a point of procedure Mr Chairperson. banana ba rona, ba ikopanye le dibanka ba ba rekele Thank you very much Mr Chairperson. I think dikoloi, re lease dikoloi mo go bone go na le gore e Honourable Keorapetse ga a dire sentle. O santse a le nne tsa CTO mme e palelwa ke to insure them. Gatwe monnye and he must assist bagolo with some sweets they have been insured ka bakgweetsi. Gore re godise because go na le mathata. Ke raya gore he is a younger kgwebo, a re lekeng gone moo. A re iseng ditiro tse person and I am a younger person and when you see dingwe kwa the private sector. CTO gompieno e santse that your neighbour has a problem, you must assist with e tshela leokwane kwa fuel points tsa yone. Batho ba some sweets. I do not think what he is doing is right. bantsi ba ba batlang go dira filling stations. Ga re kgone Thank you. go dira filling stations. Go tilwe Batswana ba dire filling stations. They are 100 per cent reserved for Batswana MR MOLEBATSI: Tsala ya me, o njetse nako. but ga gona market. Market ke gore bagwebi ba gaisana MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Molebatsi, mma le Goromente. A dilo tse jaaka go kile gatwe di tlaa ke kgalemele Honourable Rakgare. dirwa, a di yeng kwa bagwebing. MR MOLEBATSI: Ao! Le ntse le njela nako fela. Kwa kgaolong ya rona kwa Mmadinare ka ke ke tlhola ke bua gore go na le metsi, le eng, a re rotloetseng MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Rakgare, you were horticulture; re leme maungo le ditamati gore re fokotse not raising any procedure. Ke raya gore ke eng bogolo o

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ne o sa mo romelele molaetsa across the aisle gore thusa Batswana le banana a leka go re tlhofofaletsa tiro, ka foo? There is nothing unprocedural about Honourable go dira gore forms, ditsamaiso le one molao tota gore Keorapetse. o leke go akaretsa, segolo jang banana ba e leng gore ga ba na nako ya go letela thata. Re a leta kgantele ka MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga. Kwa phelelong ka Sekgoa gatwe, overtaken by events. O fitlhela e le gore ke jetswe nako ke re a re lebeng segolobogolo kwa mogopolo wa gago jaanong o setse o tserwe ke phefo, o kgaolong ya rona ya SPEDU mo dintlheng tse tharo. akanya tse dingwe ole o tlogetse, mme you have spent Horticulture e ke neng ke e bua gore a fiweng metsi re nako, madi le energy mo go tsone. Ke kopo ya me mo lemeng. Re ka dira ditiro di ka nna bo 2000. Tourism le go Minister. yone ka matamo ao; re sale re eme ka Tourism Master Plans, di pala go tswa. A ko di tsweng ngwaga o, Se sengwe Honourable Minister, ke gore go na le batho ba age lodges. Information and Communication bothata jwa CEDA, gore megopolo e teng. Banana Technology (ICT); re na le bandwidth e ntsi, re ka dira ba Botswana ba na le megopolo e mentle. Fa o tla ka call centres. A re direng Phikwe gore e nne hub ya call mogopolo and submit a plan e a ganwa. E bo kamoso o centres. Bo police le bo Water Utilities ba tle kwa, bana kopana le raterekere mongwe a o tsamaisa, o bo o ipotsa ba hirwe, go nniwe kwa Phikwe. Ke gore SPEDU mo gore o o tsere kae. Kamoso o tsamaya le mogwebi yo dingwageng tse pedi tse di tlang, e ka hira batho ba le 10 mongwe a tshotse mogopolo o go neng gotwe it is not 000 motlhofo. Ke a leboga. viable. Golo mo Honourable Minister, a ko o go tsenye leitlho gore batho ba se ka ba utswa megopolo ya bana, MR NKAWANA (SELEBI PHIKWE EAST): Ke a ka e bile ke bone ba ba nang le megopolo e mentle, ba leboga Modulasetilo. Modulasetilo, letsatsi leno, ke le le tswa dikoleng, ba tswa go ithutela dilo tse. Maloba re kgethegileng le le bidiwang World Wildlife Day. I wish bone go nna le e nngwe kgang e le ya re-registration to, through you, invite members to join me in wishing all of companies. Golo mo go ne ga tshwenya, bana ba the animals in Botswana and the world a pleasant day. bangwe ba setse ba itlhobogile gotwe companies tsa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… bone are non-entities, ka gore they did not submit on time. Gone mo fela ka bogone Honourable Minister, fa MR NKAWANA: Mr Chairperson, ke ema fa go akgela o ne o ka dira gore go nne le nako ya go ruta batho ka bo mo mafokong a re a beilweng pele ke Minister Serame. mosola ja to register, le gore Batswana ba itse ka their O buile dintlha di le dintsi tse ke batlang go feta ka tsone. companies, gore if they do not re-register go raya gore Dingwe tsa dilo tse di re tshwenyang mo Botswana ke di jewa ke nako. fa o dira kgwebo, go na le selo gatwe ke Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) and Environmental Impact Go builwe ka empowerment of indigenous Batswana, Management Plan. Dilo tse tsotlhe ke tse di kgoreletsang gore jaaka re bona mo mafatsheng a mangwe a a kgwebo, ka gore bagwebi, segolo bogolo ba banana ba tlhabologang kana ba itsholelo ya bone ba santseng ba e ba sa tsholang madi a a kalokalo, fa ba re ba tsena mo godisa jaaka bo South Africa, ba lebelela Batswana, ba kgwebong, ke tsone tse di ba kgoreletsang. Fa Minister bo ba ba neela go feta batho ba bangwe. wa Investment, Trade and Industry a ne a ka leka go MR REGOENG: Clarification. Tanki Modulasetilo. tlhofofatsa tsamaiso ya applications le gotlhe mo go Ke ne ke re Honourable Nkawana a tlhalose kgang e ya ka dirang gore fa o tla o tshwere mogopolo wa kgwebo gore plans di a utswiwa. A o a itse gore bontsi jwa nako ga go go tseye dikgwedikgwedi o letetse management mo nakong ya gompieno ya maranyane, some projects plan to be approved by Department of Environmental di bonwa mo maranyaneng. Fa gongwe e a bo e se kgang Affairs (DEA) kana yone Impact Assessment reports ya go utswa, e a bo e le kgang ya gore yo mongwe o e tse di isiwang kwa dikgaolong, go kwalwa mo Daily bone ka fale, yo mongwe o e bone ka fale and presented News ka madi a mantsintsi. Kwa bofelong e a re fa it botoka go na le yo o tlileng lantlha. Thank you. o ise o ise application o bo o diilwe ke gore ba DEA have not approved your application. Ngwaga o a wela MR NKAWANA: Ke a go leboga monna wa opposition. o ntse o leka gore dilo tse tsotlhe o di digele, ke gore Mogopolo o ke buang ka one o a tshela, go na le tse ba o a ne o romelwa kwa, kamoso gatwe o ne o sa laletsa di selang, go bo go nna le mogopolo o o original o o bommaboipelego, ga ba akgela mo pampiring ya gago. tswang mo go wena, e seng wa batho ba bangwe. Fa Ga o a laletsa ba diphologolo, ba Bogosi, jalojalo. o bona some projects bontsi jwa tsone di sa tswelele, Dilo tse fa Minister e ne e ka re a bua ka go gweba ga ke dumela gore ke ka gore megopolo ya teng ke e e

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selwang, ka gore o a ba a sa itse gore motho yo o neng ntseng jaana… a o akantse o ne a raya gore o ya to implement it jang. Megopolo ya go selasela kwa le kwa e se wa gago, ga MR CHAIRPERSON: Your time is up Honourable se gantsi o nna successful. Mr Chairperson, re bona Member! lekalana la Botswana Development Corporation (BDC), MR TSHERE (MAHALAPYE WEST): Tanki an investment arm of Government e mo sebakeng se re Modulasetilo. Ke ne ke re ke akgele fela ka bona…I will call them BDCs from other countries ba bokhutshwane. Ke tlaa nna mokhutshwane gore go tsene tla go gweba mo Botswana re le teng, rona re palelwa yo mongwe mo kgannyeng ya Ministry wa Investment, ke gore re kabe diphatlha tse di leng teng. Re palelwa Trade and Industry. Pele ke tlhalose gore Lephata le le ke go tswela kwa ntle re ya Zimbabwe le Namibia, la Investment, Trade and Industry kwa Mahalapye le re ya go gweba teng ka lekalana le la rona. Ga ke itse re beile ka fa mosing. Ditlamelo tsa lone re di bonela gore go tshwere eng, fa e le gore re batla go godisa kgakaleng, ga re re ye Serowe kana Palapye fa re di itsholelo ya lefatshe la rona. A le rona re leke gore re e batla. Ke selo se se re utlwisang botlhoko thata, ka kwa mafatsheng a a tlhokanang le thuso le kitso ya rona gore re akanya gore jaaka batho ba setse ba gatetse pele ka yone re e tshotse. Re na le kitso ya bojanala, meepo jaana, rona re ya go simolola leng? Ke a leboga thata le dikitsokitso fela tse dintsi, tse e leng gore fa re eme gore mo bogautshwaneng Lephata la gago le bo le tla bana ba rona nokeng, re ba thusa financially ba ka kgona ka online registration ya dikompone, ka gore batho ba gore ba ye kwa mafatsheng a mangwe go gweba koo, ba Mahalapye ba ne ba tsamaya ba ya kwa Serowe about rotloediwa ke yone BDC. Kwa Selebi Phikwe Minister, 110 kilometers (km), P25 o palama, o ya go tlhola kwa, re na le factory shells, yes di sale di tswetswe, mme ke o eme mo meleng, o bo o boa maitseboa o sa fetsa. tsaya gore in your budget le fa ke sa utlwa sentle, o na Kamoso o dira fela jalo. Jaanong ke leboga thata gore le le sengwe. Fa e le gore ga seyo o se kope re go thuse kgonne go tsenya online registration. gore o ye go bula dilo tse. A ko o laletse bagwebi ba textile jaaka ba ne ba le teng, ka gore gompieno these Se sengwe gape ke utlwa mo pegong e o re le tlaabo le factory shells re tsenyetsa dikereke mo go tsone, jaaka dira dithulaganyo tsa workshops, tse le tlaabong le tla go ke ne ke bua maloba, tse dingwe ke storage rooms thusa batho ba Mahalapye, ka e nankotswe. Ke leboga tsa dikgwebo tse di leng teng, tse ke sa batleng go di thata ka seo. Se sengwe se ke se bonang ke gore, a pattern bitsa ka maina. Fa o ne o ka dira gore o simolole go was developing in all your speeches tse di tlileng mo Palamenteng, fa ke le fa. Go supagala gore le tlaabo le tlhotlhoma le lefatshe, o bitse boramadimadi ba tle go re dirisa madi in excess of billions, and normally numbers thusa, ka gore we have got qualified labour, ka bana ba tsa teng le ditiro tse le di dirang, ka gore tota lone le a Selebi Phikwe ba ithutile, ba berekile foo, ba ka tsena tlhalosa gore madi a ke dirisitse bokana, re dirile ditiro mo dikgwebong tseo ka bofefo. Re dira jalo re lebile tse di kana. I do not think your jobs vis-à-vis the amount gore gongwe re ka nna lesego ra bona market, mme ra of money you spent, are matching Honourable Minister. kgona to export dithoto tsa rona jaaka re ne re dira ka A ko o lebelela kgang e, tla ke go fe sekai mo pegong textile ya rona to the United States. yone e; in fact, go lebega go tshwana mo e kareng ga se Kgang e nngwe e e tshwenyang Minister ke gore, go boammaaruri. Mo pegong yone e ba re you have spent na le selo gatwe “Halaal,” ke a itse gore Honourable P7.4 million to create 74 jobs. O a bona gore ke 7.4, 74 Dikoloti o tlaa tla a re araba. Ke gore bagwebi ba ba jobs. E kare ke bo 7.4 gotlhe, ga go fe tlhaloganyo go se botlana ba dikoko, dikolobe le eng, fa e sa tlhabiwa ka kae. Ke bone selo se se ntse se tsweletse mo mabakeng “Halaal,” mo Botswana ga o mo kgwebong. A selo se otlhe a o tlisitseng dipalo tse e leng gore o a dira. Fa re se tswenngwe leitlho. Ke itse motho a le mongwe feka bua ka SPEDU, gone jaana go ne go buiwa mo pegong yo o kileng a bua sa boife, a ntshitse sehuba, ke former e gore you spent P5.9 billion, le dirile ditiro di le little Vice President Rre Kedikilwe a bua gore Batswana over 3 000. Does this make sense mathematically? That tsentswe ke batho mo mathateng ka “Halaal,” mme ga is what I am worried about. Ke kgang e e leng gore ke a go na ope yo o e e jang mo go rona, ga ke mmone. Fa e bona. Le fa o ka lebelela records tsa gago tsotlhe tse di o re o a leba kwa ntle kwa gatwe dikgomo, dikoko le kileng tsa tla mo Palamenteng, go lebega e le gore you dikatse tsa rona, le sengwe le sengwe, e bo e le gore di spend madi a mantsi, mme throughput in terms of job tlhabilwe ke barapedi ba “Halaal.” Minister, a ko tlhe creation, e kwa tlase. Ga ke itse gore golo moo ke eng, kgang e o e tsenye leitlho, gongwe o ka nna wa dira a ko o go ntlhalosetse ka gore ke motho wa dipalo, ke gore o di kgaoganye ka gore mogwebi wa seemo se se bona e kare ga go fe tlhogo.

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Se sengwe CEDA, ke ne ke bua gore le yone kwa kgang e ka Setswana re reng gatwe di thata, kana di thata Mahalapye ke bothata ka gore e kgakala, e kwa Palapye yoo o raya dilo tse dintsi. Ke sone se re reng re lebeletse gompieno jaana. E ne e ntse e le teng, re ne re na le ofisi guidelines, re setse re tsamaela kwa motsubong wa go ya CEDA kwa Mahalapye, jaanong gompieno jaana e feleletsa tiro ya teng. Re lebelela gone gore kana e sale fudugetse… di dirilwe labofelo ka 2008, dilo di le dintsi di fetogile.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Members. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Your time is up Honourable Member. I now call upon the Honourable Minister of Investment, Trade and MS SERAME: Nako e motho a e tsayang go duela madi a a tlaabong a a adimile, a e santse e tsamaelana le Industry to reply to the debates. seemo sa gompieno? Merokotso le yone ga e tsamaelane MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE le seemo sa gompieno. E bile fa motho a tla mo gongwe AND INDUSTRY (MS SERAME): Ke a leboga e le monana, a na le kitso, re ka tsaya jang dikitso tsa gagwe, re se ka ra batla mongwe le mongwe fela Modulasetilo. Ke simolole fela ka go leboga batlotlegi collateral, go nne le tse re ka di lebelelang gore mme di botlhe ba ba neng ba eme, ba bua, bontsi jwa bone e le ntse jang? Le gone gore re ka rotloetsa jang ba ba tlang ka ba ba emeng nokeng kopo e ya me ya madi a Lephata tse di faphegileng, tse kgotsa di ntseng di sa tlwaelesega la Peeletso, Papadi le Madirelo. Gape ke lemoga gore fela? Ke dumela gore batlotlegi, e re tlaa e lebelela, le go ne go na le ba bangwe ba ba neng ba eletsa go bua, tse dingwe tse le ntseng le di bua. Go na le e e neng e le bone ke a itse gore ba ntse ba re eme nokeng. Gape builwe gore ke eng CEDA e sa adime Batswana gore ba ke lebogele le tsone dikakgelo tsa lona batlotlegi. Ke bo kgone go gweba kwa ntle? Guidelines tsa CEDA ka fa ke lebogele mo gongwe mo le neng le re, ‘Tona, e re fa di ntseng ka teng gompieno, ga di itse gore o ka adima le ntse le tshwere ka koo, le tsamaye le tsenya leitlho le madi kwa CEDA, wa ya go dira kgwebo kwa ntle. Fa ke mo go tse dingwe tsa go nna jaana ka gore mo tirong santse ke le sebete se molangwana le nna, ke gore ba re e le e dirang e, fa e le gore le tshwanetse go tlhabolola pele ga re go adima madi gore o dire kwa ntle, re batla lefatshe, le re ise golo gongwe, go na le dilo dingwe o ka bo o simolotse pele mo gae. Ke sengwe se e leng tse le tshwanetseng go tsamaya le tsone, le ntse le di gore jaaka re lebelela guidelines, re tlaabo re se lebelela. lebelela.’ Ke tlaa leka go tsaya tse di tsamaelanang ke di kopanya gore ke se ka ka boelela gantsi. Go na le e nngwe e e neng e buiwa ya coal beneficiation ke Honourable Ramogapi. Honourable Ramogapi, ba Leader of Opposition ka gore ke Leader of Opposition, tsa meepo ba dira a study se se lebelelang gone gore re ke tlaa mo araba kwa bofelong. Go na le ba le bantsi ba ka tsaya jang yone coal ya rona e ntsintsi, go e fetolela ba buileng ka CEDA, ba lemoga seabe sa yone le gore e into liquids and beneficiate it gore re dire dikgwebo. Ke bile ba mo seemong sa go ka thusa go tlhama ditiro, le dumela gore Tona o tlaa bua ka yone, mme le nna ke tse dingwe tse ba ntseng ba di dira. E bile ba le mmalwa dumalana le wena gore tota go na le se se ka dirwang ba buile gore e kare ba ne ba ka fiwa madi a a fetang a ka yone, go tswa fa go ya kwa re setseng re le teng. E ba a fiwang. Ke a ba tlhaloganya, le nna ke a dumalana, bile gape Honourable Ramogapi, ka February jaana, a jaanong kana seemo se sa madi, go a re re kgaoganye, few weeks ago, ba Botswana Export Credit Insurance re bone gore re ka dira jang. Ke le fa example; ke le (BECI) were launching a new insurance product. Ka tlhomamisetsa gore kana madi otlhe a ba CEDA ba a gore ke gone e neng e simolodisiwa, gone ga go ise neelwang, from April 2019 to December, subvention e go nne le bape ba ba setseng ba sologetswe molemo ba setseng ba e neetswe ke P212 million, ba bo ba boa ba (benefited) mo go yone. Ke dumela gore e tlaa re mo tlatsa. Madi otlhe a ba a neelwang ke Goromente, ga se nakong e e tlang fa ke bua ke bala budget gape fa e le a ba a dirisang go tsamaisa (operations), ke a a fetelang gore ke tlaabo ke le kwa trade, ke tla bua gone gore re kwa go tsone projects. Ka jalo he, ke a tlhaloganya tsamaya fa kae, re dirile jang. batlotlegi gore ke eng le re tota CEDA e ka se ka ya neelwa madi a a fetang a e a neelwang, le maphata a HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… mangwe a bo Botswana Development Corporation (BDC). Ke sone seemo se se thata se sa madi, se re leng MS SERAME: A mongwe a re clarification? mo go sone. MR KEORAPETSE: On a point of clarification. Ke Ya guidelines tsa CEDA, tla ke e tlhalose gape, ke sone ne ke re mo kakgelong ya gago, ke eletsa gore o tle o se ke neng ke batla go bua ka Setswana. Batlotlegi, yone bue ka dikgwebo tse di tswang kwa ntle tse di mono,

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mme ba gana go rekisa local products. Fa o ka tlhola fetsa ka April, e bo e le gone re simololang gore molao o mo dipotsong tse ke kileng ka di botsa, ke nngwe ya dirwe, re isa instruction kwa Attorney General. Re batla dikgang tse ke kileng ka di ntsha. gore re tseye megopolo kwa Batswaneng pele fa re o dira, e se ka ya nna molao fela o e tlaa reng fa re setse MS SERAME: Fa e le Keorapetse, ke gore ga o a kgona re o tlisa mo Palamenteng, megopolo e mentsi e bo e go bua jaanong o tshwanetse gore o batle tselanyana. Ke tlogetswe kwa ntle. a leboga Modulasetilo, ke tlaa araba honourable, ke ne ke santse ke le mo tseleng. Go na le ya go ema nokeng Ya Competition Authority, ke dumela gore kgang e Small Micro Enterprises (SMEs) to graduate. Ke re ke honourable a buang ka yone ke ya vertical integration, sengwe se e leng gore ba Lephata la Local Enterprise a re e a tshwenya ka gore nako e nngwe e kgaphela Authority (LEA), ba a se dira. Se ke tla se tsayang mo bangwe kwa ntle. Re tshwanetse go dira go feta fa re molaetseng wa ga Honourable Shamukuni ke gore; dirang teng go bona gore a go na le mo re ka kgonang kgotsa ga go a lekana, re ka dira go feta fa re leng teng. go go dira gore go se ka ga lebega o kare batho ba le bangwefela ke bone ba tsenang ba dira sengwe le Go bo go nna le e nngwe ya Pandamatenga; kwa sengwe, ba bo ba tswalelela ba bangwe kwa ntle. Pandamatenga ka Special Economic Zone (SEZ), re Honourable Motsamai o ne a mo tlatsa a bo a bua le simolotse tiro ya go aga tsone silos. Tiro ya teng e setse ka investors ba ba dirang sengwe le sengwe fela le se e filwe madi mme go aga tsone silos tseo go tlaa tsaya se neng se ka dirwa ke Batswana. A re ba bangwe ba about 16 months. A total of 100 hectares has been set rekisa toothpicks le menoto, mme yone e batlotlegi, aside for agro-processing, ka jalo he, re na le tsholofelo le nna o fitlhela e nkutlwisa botlhoko ka gore go na ya gore se o neng o se bua motlotlegi, re tlaa thusa gore le dikgwebo tse di reserved for citizens. O tlaabo o ya se tswelele go ya kwa pele. kwa kgwebong, o bo o fitlhela setlankana sa kgwebo se Honourable Ramogapi a bo a bua ka Forbes, ke yone kwadilwe Saleshando and Sons (Pty) Ltd, mme fa o leba e ke neng ke re ga ke a mo utlwa. Jaanong ke tlhalose ka fa morago, ga gona Saleshando and Sons, ke motho o gore mo go ya Forbes, fa re leng teng, ga ke itse gore sele. Se se botlhoko ke gore, molao o le fa o le teng, mo ke mang yo o yang to participate mo Botswana ka gore gongwe e bile ka gore re dira business monitoring every go na le tsamaiso ya gore ba ba tlaabong ba tsaya karolo month, re a tle re belaele gore o kare ba a bo ba itse gore mo summit ya Forbes, go dirwa jang. Go na le criteria re tlaa tla go tlhola kgwebo, e bo e le gore letsatsi leo, that is set by Forbes; e seng rona, ya gore motho a bo a o ya go fitlhela Saleshando a le teng. Kamoso fa o ka le under 30 by March e bile a bo a le mo kgwebong e e tsamaya, ga o fitlhele Saleshando, ke mo fa e le sekai, ga berekang. Go na le tse dingwe tse motho a tshwanetseng ke reye gore o dira jalo. Tse dingwe tse… go bo a di dira, e tlaa re mo nakong e e sa fediseng pelo, ba bo ba re bolelela gore ba bone eng. Tsholofelo le HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tumelo ya me ke gore maina ao fa a setse a tswa, ga e ka MS SERAME: Nnyaa, ga ke ise ke rialo. Tse dingwe ke ya nna batho ba Gaborone fela ka gore dikgwebo ga tse, re kope batlotlegi gore ba re thuse re buisaneng le di mo Gaborone fela. Motlotlegi, ke sone se ke neng ke Batswana gore, tota nako e nngwe kgwebo fa e le ya re ga ke go tlhaloganye gore, e ya gore ke ya batho ba gago, o bo o tsaya setlankana o se neela motho; a go Gaborone, o ne o e tsaya kae. neela P500 ka kgwedi, ke go ipiletsa lehuma. Fa e le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke a belaela. gore o kgona go go neela P500 ka kgwebo eo, le wena leka, o dire madinyana a a botoka. Re tlaa tswelela re MS SERAME: O buile ka investors tsa bo fly-by-night ntse re tsamaya le sebaka re di lebelela, le tsone tse re di le tenderpreneurs, ke tlaa e tsaya le tse dingwe kgantele. faphelang Batswana gore e nne bone fela, re bone gore re ka di oketsa jang gore fa re ya kwa pele, tota re re tse, Go na le ya Citizen Economic Empowerment (CEE), ke tswa Batswana. Ke kope Batswana gore le bone ba ke di tseye gangwefela ka gore batlotlegi ba e buile ba iteke, e se ka ya re le fa Goromente a ne a rile o a thusa, le mmalwa. Ya Citizen Empowerment Law, Honourable e bo e le rona re ipayang ka fa mosing, re rekisa se se Lelatisitswe o ne a re ka re e tla ka April. Honourable neng se re tshwanetse. Lelatisitswe, ke ne ke tlhalosa gore re simolotse go buisana le Batswana go tsaya megopolo ka gore tota Ya private sector ke e kopanya le ya gore a re reka mo go molao o, ke wa bone, o tshwanetse go nna se ba ka se tse di dirwang mo gae. Re simolotse dipuisanyo, bogolo tlhaloganyang. Re simolotse dipuisanyo, mme re tlaa di jang le ba retail ka gore bontsi jwa se batlotlegi ba se

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buang ke gore, ke eng e re fa re tsena mo marekisetsong Ke buile ka Creative Sector, mme ke dumela gore le a bone, re bo re sa fitlhele tsa Botswana. Go na le ba Honourable Rakgare fa, o tla bua ka yone go bona gore ba itekang, ke gore e a tle e re ke buile ba bangwe ka re ka dira jang gore mafelo a rona le one… maina, ba bangwe ba bo ba utlwa botlhoko ba re ga ke a ba bitsa. Re tsweletse ka go buisana le bone gore tota re MR SPEAKER (MR PULE): Order! Honourable batla go bona products tsa Batswana mo marekisetsong a Members. bone. Le tlhaloganye gore fa re leng teng, ke go buisana MOTION mo e leng gore le bone kana e le bagwebi, ba tshwanetse go bona go na le mosola mo go bone. Ke ka sone maybe ADJOURNMENT mo gongwe, Honourable Leader of the Opposition le fa LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Mr ke ise ke go arabe, o bonang go na le textile. Speaker, as we have concluded the business of today’s E rile fa re buisana le ba large retail stores, re bo re ba Order Paper, I move that we do now adjourn. raya re re, ga le a bolo go nna mo Botswana, mme fa o Question put and agreed to. tsena mo marekisetsong a lona, ga gona le fa e le sepe se se dirwang mo Botswana. Bontsi jwa bone e bo e le gore The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:00 p.m. until se ba ka kgonang go se tsaya mo bathong ba ba dirang Wednesday 4th March, 2020 at 2:00 p.m. mo gae, ke textile mme already go setse go na le ba ba rekang kwa Nortex, …(Inaudible)… le kwa kae. Kana textile gape ga e re o e lebelele broadly, you can have a niche within the textile e e ka go tlisetsang maduo. Go na le ba bangwe ba go setseng go na le dikompone di ka nna 10, ba re buisanang le bone, ba tlaabo ba ba rutuntsha gore bone ba batla eng, sa mofuta mang, sa quality e e ntseng jang, go tsweng foo, ba tlaabo ba ba direla tse di tlhokiwang ke dikompone tsa mofuta oo.

Madi a pre-project financing a mannyenyane. Ke dumalana gore P5 million o monnyenyane, mme re kope gore, e tota e ne e le tshimologo ya sengwe se re neng re se dira le kwa Lephateng la Peeletso, Papadi le Madirelo. Ga ke itse gore ba private sector kana maphata a mangwe le bone ba ka re thusa ka go tlatsa sengwe gore madi a e nne a a bonalang.

MilkAfric; go ne gotwe a mme jaaka e bo e tla jaana, e ya go dirisana jang le ba ba setseng ba le teng. Project e go ne go na le sengwe se e tlaa reng fa e setse e simologile, ra se sala morago gore se a diragala, mo go bidiwang gotwe Outgrower Programme, mo ba tlaabong ba dirisana le ba ba nang le dikgomo; le fa ba le bannyenyane, go bona gore ba ba thusa jang go godisa dikgomo tsa bone le go thusa ba bangwe go bona gore mashi a bone a ka felela a isiwa kwa MilkAfric, e re fa ba tlhotlha, le a bone a bo a le mo teng.

Honourable Modukanele, ke go utlwile, mme ke dumela gore ke a go ema ka yone e. Re setse re dira le ba Kgetsi ya Tsie, re ikopantse le ba Botswana Investment and Trade Centre (BITC); re ba thusa go bona gore dilo tsa bone di ka dirwa jang, ba ka di tsenya jang mo mmarakeng. O buile le ka ya making Gaborone lively.

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HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa, Ms M. Madubeko

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi, Mr K. Rebaisakae

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