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DISCLAIMER Uno cial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an uno cial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The nal edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Gladys K. T. Kokorwe PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Kagiso P. Molatlhegi, MP Gaborone South

Clerk of the National Assembly -- Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly -- Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel -- Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) -- Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP --President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) --Vice President

-Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Hon. O. K. Mokaila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Tourism

- Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. N. E. Molefhi, MP. (Selebi Phikwe East) - Administration

Hon. S. Kgathi, MP. (Bobonong) --Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. D. K. Makgato, MP. (Sefhare - Ramokgonami) --Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. B. Arone, MP. (Okavango) --Minister of Basic Education Hon. N. M. Ngaka, MP (Takatokwane) --Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs

Hon. O. K. Matambo, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation

Hon. T. Olopeng, MP. (Tonota) --Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology

Hon. V. T. Seretse, MP. (Lentsweletau - Mmopane) --Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development -Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. T. Mabeo, MP. (Thamaga - Kumakwane) - Development Hon. Dr A. Madigele, MP. (Mmathethe - -Minister of Health and Wellness Molapowabojang) - -Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Mmadinare) --Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services

Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. (Serowe West) --Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development

Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP (Shashe West) --Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security

Hon. B. J. Kenewendo, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry

Hon. F. S. Van Der Westhuizen, MP. (Kgalagadi South) --Minister of Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. B. M. Tshireletso, MP. (Mahalapye East) --Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP (Moshupa-Manyana) --Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry -Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. D. P. Makgalemele, MP. (Shoshong) - Development -Assistant Minister, Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. M. M. Goya, MP. (Palapye) - Technology

Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP (Serowe North) --Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, (MP Boteti East) --Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. T. Kwerepe, MP. (Ngami) --Assistant Minister, Basic Education

-Assistant Minister, Land Management, Water and Sanitation Hon. I. E. Moipisi, MP. (Kgalagadi North) - Services -Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP (Chobe) - Administration

Hon. K. Markus, MP. (Maun East) --Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

Names Constituency

RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon. Dr P. Venson-Moitoi, MP Serowe South Hon. S. M. Guma, MP Tati East Hon. C. De Graaff, MP Ghanzi South Hon. P. M. Maele, MP Lerala - Maunatlala Hon. L. Kablay, MP Letlhakeng - Lephephe Hon. P. P. Ralotsia, MP. Kanye North Hon. J. Molefe, MP Mahalapye West Hon. P. Majaga, MP Nata-Gweta Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP Francistown West Hon. H. B. Billy, MP Francistown East Hon. E. J. Batshu, MP Nkange Hon. S. Kebonang, MP Lobatse Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP Specially Elected OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. Adv. D. G. Boko, MP (Leader of Opposition) Gaborone Bonnington North Hon. G. S. M. Mangole, MP Mochudi West Hon. A. S. Kesupile, MP Kanye South Hon. N. S. L. M. Salakae, MP Ghanzi North Hon. Dr T. O. M. Mmatli, MP Molepolole South Hon. S. Ntlhaile, MP Jwaneng -Mabutsane Hon. M. I. Khan, MP Molepolole North Hon. Kgosi Lotlamoreng II Goodhope - Mabule Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP Selebi Phikwe West Hon. S. O. S. Rantuana, MP Ramotswa Hon. K. M. Segokgo, MP Tlokweng Hon. B. M. Molebatsi, MP Mochudi East Hon. H. G. Nkaigwa, MP Gaborone North (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. N. N. Gaolathe, MP Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP Francistown South Hon. Maj. Gen. P. Mokgware, MP Gabane-Mmankgodi Hon. S. Kgoroba, MP Mogoditshane Hon. Dr P. Butale, MP Gaborone Central (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. G. B. Butale, MP. Tati West (Independent Member of Parliament) Hon. T. Moremi, MP Maun West TABLE OF CONTENTS THE THIRD MEETING OF THE FIFTH SESSION OF THE ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 03 JULY, 2019

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SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENTS...... 1

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 1-9

Wednesday 3rd July 2019 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

Wednesday 3th July, 2019 I have also received a letter on Tuesday 2nd July 2019, from Honourable Ganda Biggie Butale informing me THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. that he has resigned from the Botswana Democratic (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) Party (BDP), and joined the Botswana Patriotic Front (BPF). P R A Y E R S HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… * * * * MADAM SPEAKER: Lekwalo le balega jaana; SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCEMENTS “Resignation from the Botswana Democratic Party. MADAM SPEAKER (MS KOKORWE): Order! Order! Please take your seats. Batlotlegi, good afternoon. Be pleased to know that I have resigned from the Ke ntse ke le tlhwaafaletse. Le sale le tsamaile. Take your ruling Botswana Democratic Party and have joined the seat Your Honour. Nte ke le amogeleng mo Palamenteng Botswana Patriotic Front. Please arrange my seating letsatsi leno, ke le amogele thata. Ke a itse gore ga ke ka with the opposition members accordingly. I hope all is ke ka re le itapolositse, gantsi e tle e re le goroga jaana in order. ke re nnyaa, I am sure le ntse le itapolositse. Gompieno Yours, Ganda.” go busy, gakere? Go busy. Ke kopa gore le se ka la tla go itapolosetsa mo Palamenteng. A go tlhwaafalwe fela Announcement e nngwe bagaetsho ke gore, fa go fetswa go berekwe. Re tlaa di bona ka October. Go tlhwaafalwe fa, there is a General Assembly. Ga re ye go tsaya nako, thata. ga go na ijaa! Fa le ka itlhaganelela kwa meeting wa teng, o mokhutshwane, ga o ye go diega. Ka tsweetswee Before le nthaya le re there is a stranger in the House, attend that General Assembly, after this. Ka e bile ke tsenang le tseye ditilo tsa lona. Ga ke itse gore fa le tla bona le le mmogo sentle, nte ke le laele gore kamoso late jaana le tlaa di bona jang gore di fa kae. gone ke tlaabo ke seyo. Ke tlolela ka fale for medical HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… attention. Ga ke itse gore ke tlaa boa leng. Le tlaa utlwa ka nna. Ba ba itseng go rapela ba nthapelele, jaaka MADAM SPEAKER: Honourable Kgoroba, ke rile le Honourable Khan jaana. O a tle a nthapelele thata ke a tsene le tseye ditilo. E re before le mpotsa gore jaanong itse. Alright, let us do questions. go na le stranger in the House, ke le reye ke re, re na le Acting Sergeant-At-Arms. Ke ene Mr Thapelo Sekape. QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… NUMBER OF DROPOUTS IN PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SCHOOLS IN GHANZI NORTH MADAM SPEAKER: Yo le ntseng le na le ene CONSTITUENCY konteraka e fedile. Jaanong tota ka fa tlwaelong… MR N. S. L. M. SALAKAE (GHANZI NORTH): HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… asked the Minister of Basic Education to state the MADAM SPEAKER: Order! O dira eng ka legae la number of dropouts in all the seven primary schools and gagwe? Ke ene yo re nang le ene yoo. Le bone jaaka a two secondary schools in the Ghanzi North Constituency ne a tla a gata a gatoga fa a tsena fa. from 2017 to date, and what the ministry is doing to address the situation. Honourable Members, following Cabinet Reshuffle in May 29, 2019, I have since rearranged the sitting ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION of the House in terms of Standing Order 14.1. The (MR KWEREPE): Good afternoon Madam Speaker. In Members affected by this new sitting arrangement are 2017, in the seven primary schools in the Ghanzi North Honourable Molao, he is now a full Minister. Take your Constituency, there were 174 children who dropped from seat Honourable Keorapetse, and do not come late next school. Of these; 77 were female and 97 were male. 65 time. Honourable Gare and Honourable Lelatisitswe have so far been returned to school. In the same year, have been appointed Assistant Ministers. Honourable for the two secondary schools, 72 learners dropped, with Ralotsia and Honourable Biggie Butale were dropped 32 female and 40 male. 22 have so far been returned to from Cabinet. school.

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My ministry works with the community, social services e le defilement, le dira jang le le Puso go thusa ba ba and parents to raise awareness of the issue and assist iphitlhelang mo mathateng a a tshwanang le one ao a learners to re-join the system. The initiatives include; gore ba a bo ba imisitswe ke batho ba ba golwane mme bone, ba le kwa tlase ka dingwaga? (i) Guidance and Counselling teachers in schools run programmes to educate students about the MR KWEREPE: Honourable Member of Parliament, importance of completing their school education. defilement kana ke molato wa gore fa go setse go lemogilwe gore ngwana o imisitswe ke motho wa (ii) Parents and Teachers Association (PTA) meetings dingwaga tse e seng tsa gagwe, batsadi ba ka tsaya and Kgotla meetings are being addressed to inform kgang ba e isa kwa mapodiseng ba ya go e bega. Then parents about the importance of education. batho ba ba dirileng molato, ba bo ba o lebisiwa sentle (iii) My ministry is also working with Local ka fa tshwanelong. Ke a leboga. Government to conduct farm visits and address HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further supplementary. farmers and farm workers on the importance of allowing children to attend school properly. MADAM SPEAKER: Ya bofelo.

(iv) We participate in Circles of Support programmes MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Further supplementary. which track dropouts and return them to school. Thank you Madam Speaker. Thank you Honourable Minister. In your ministry jaaka le setse le lemogile (v) In addition, we work with Non-Governmental (identify) bana ba ba ntseng jalo, se le kileng la se dira Organisations (NGOs) such as Window of Hope in ke eng kana a le kile la report batho bao la ba isa kwa Ghanzi Township, to address the issue of dropout. pele ga molao? Kgato e o kileng wa bona fela le e tsaya (vi) It is also apparent from the data that we need to wena o le ministry ke efe, to make sure that this thing improve hostel care for our learners and to also does not happen again? look into alternative ways of providing education to small remote communities to ensure the proper MR KWEREPE: Kana ngwana re mo kopanetse le implementation of our Inclusive Education Policy. batsadi. Fa batsadi ba lemogile gore ngwana o imile, I thank you. e bile a imisitswe ke motho yo o dingwaga tse e seng tsa gagwe, molao o a ba letla gore ba tsamaye ba ye MR SALAKAE: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Madam to report. What we do as the Ministry of Education ke Speaker. Ke a leboga Honourable Assistant Minister. gore, fa re setse re bona cases tsa pregnancy di le dintsi, Ke na le dipotso tse tharo Honourable Minister. Ya ntlha we provide guidance to dikole, re a ba gakolola gore ba ke gore, a o a itse gore kgang e is an issue of serious tle ba se ka ba ima ka dipalo tse ba imang ka tsone. public importance? Ya bobedi, dikarabo tse o ntseng o re di neela tse, a ke tse o dumelang mo go tsone, o itse PROGRESS MADE REGARDING di diragala, kana mongwe o go di neetse gore o tle go di THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 40 bala? Ke tsone dipotso tse pedi fela. RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE FINANCIAL ACTION TASK FORCE (FATF) MR KWEREPE: Ke a leboga Honourable Member of Parliament. Ke a lemoga e bile ke a tlhaloganya gore MR M. R. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): education is of public importance. Go botlhokwa gore asked the Minister of Finance and Economic bana ba boele mo sekoleng fa re lemoga gore ba dule. Development to state the progress made regarding the That is why re nna le some follow ups. Gore a ke utlwile implementation of the 40 recommendations by the kgotsa ke boleletswe, is neither here nor there because Financial Action Task Force (FATF) as per the Eastern tse dingwe ke a di itse, tse dingwe ke ka tswa ke di and Southern Africa Anti-Money Laundering Group boleletswe, but the most important thing, ke gore bana (ESAAMLG) of which Botswana has been a member bone ba boele kwa sekoleng. Ke a leboga. since 2010.

MR SALAKAE: Further supplementary. Ke a MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC leboga Madam Speaker. Honourable Minister, fa o DEVELOPMENT (MR MATAMBO): Good kopana le dikgang tsa gore bana drop out from school afternoon Madam Speaker, my best wishes to you. because of pregnancy, mme e bile dikgang tse dingwe Madam Speaker, just a small correction to start with,

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namely that Botswana became member of ESAAMLG according to Page 18, Botswana has maintained a in August 1999 and not 2010 as stated in the question. consistently low performance in effectiveness and Now to answer the question; technical compliance ratings; and

Madam Speaker, the Eastern and Southern Africa (ii) whether the 2018 Anti-Money Laundering and Anti-Money Laundering Group (ESAAMLG) assessed Counter Terrorism Financing Measures Botswana Botswana for compliance with international standards Mutual Evaluation Report has been compiled and for anti-money laundering and counter financing of availed to the public. terrorism and subsequently published the report in the ESAAMLG website in 2017. The Financial Action Task MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC Force (FATF) developed an action plan in consultation DEVELOPMENT (MR MATAMBO): Madam with Botswana to address the identified deficiencies. Speaker, let me start by indicating that question that I Botswana is currently implementing the action plan have just responded to and the current question 4 are and provides progress reports to the Financial Action very much similar and so will be the answers. Taskforce International Cooperation Review Group (i) Madam Speaker, the Eastern and Southern Africa three times in a year. Madam Speaker, it should be noted Anti- Money Laundering Group (ESAAMLG) that following the passing by this Parliament of 25 Bills assessed Botswana for compliance with related to anti-money laundering and counter financing international standards for anti-money laundering of terrorism in 2018, Botswana requested for technical and counter financing of terrorism and published a compliance re-rating in October 2018. The request for report in the ESAAMLG website in 2017. re-rating was discussed at the 37th ESAAMLG meeting of senior officials held in Arusha, Tanzania in April Following the mutual evaluation review, the country 2019. The outcome of the request was that out of 38 was placed on a one-year observation period in which recommendations that a request for re-rating had been it was to improve its technical competence and effective made, an upgrade was granted for 32 recommendations. implementation based on the deficiencies identified in Out of the 32 recommendations that were upgraded, the report. At the October 2018 meeting of the FATF, a those that met the minimum required standard of largely decision was taken to issue and publish a public statement compliant were 19 and the rest were rated as partially on the FATF website to the effect that Botswana’s anti- compliant. I would like to also indicate Madam Speaker money laundering and counter financing of terrorism that, the drafting of Financial Intelligence Bill, Trust system had strategic deficiencies. In addition, an action Property Control Amendment Bill, Counter Terrorism plan was developed as I indicated in respect of question Regulations and the Financial Intelligence Regulations 2, in consultation with Botswana to address the identified is under way as we speak to address some of the gaps deficiencies. Botswana is currently implementing the that have been identified during the re-rating process. action plan and provides progress report as I have said before to FATF three times a year. Madam Speaker, the In conclusion Madam Speaker, at the just ended June publication of a statement by the FATF to the effect 2019 meeting of the FATF, Botswana was said to that Botswana had anti-money laundering and counter have made reasonable progress in developing and financing of terrorism strategic deficiencies may have implementing the structures and processes required by had unintended consequences. Countries and financial its competent authorities in order to address the action items in the action plan agreed between Botswana and institutions are not expected to act on the published the FATF. I thank you Madam Speaker. information since it was meant for noting. The FATF does not call for application of enhanced due diligence IMPLICATION OF THE RESULTS OF THE for countries in the observation list. However, based MUTUAL EVALUATION REPORT BOTSWANA on the experience from other countries which were in OF 2017 the same position as Botswana, it would appear that some countries and financial institutions are applying MR M. R. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): enhanced due diligence on financial transactions asked the Minister of Finance and Economic emanating from Botswana, purely on the basis of report Development to state: that was published for noting, not for action. I hope this is understood. (i) the implications of the results of the Mutual Evaluation Report Botswana 2017 in which (i) Madam Speaker, moving towards conclusion, I

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wish to indicate that no mutual evaluation review ka nna le lekoko le le lekodisang Batswana go tswa kwa was conducted in 2018. Therefore no report is ministry wa gago gore, se tshwenyegeng ka gore se se available to the public. diragalang ke sa gore sa gore?

By way of background, I should indicate that the first MR MATAMBO: Thank you Madam Speaker. Thank round of Mutual Evaluation Review for Botswana you very much Honourable Member. Ke dumalana le was conducted in 2007. The 2017 Report, which is wena gore re tshwanetse re dire what you are suggesting. a subject of the question before us now, is a result of In that regard, I must be grateful for your questions today the second round of Mutual Evaluation exercise which because it has given me, not the first opportunity but yet is currently ongoing for other Eastern and Southern another opportunity for me to be in a position to explain Africa Anti-Money Laundering Group (ESAAMLG) to the public precisely what the situation is. As I say, member countries. The 2017 Mutual Evaluation Report this is not the only opportunity. You are aware that we for Botswana, I want to indicate, is available in my do have under our ministry, the Financial Intelligence ministry’s website under the Financial Intelligence Agency. Maybe its effort is not being broadcasted and Agency (FIA). I thank you very much Madam Speaker. publicised enough. I am aware that on a regular basis, they do meet with the relevant stakeholders such as MR NTLHAILE: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Madam the banks, lawyers, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Speaker, ke a leboga Tona. Tona, ba ESAAMLG ba embassies to explain precisely what was intended to be ntshitse report e e sa batleng go tsewa kgato epe, “for the purpose of that report. As it happens, notwithstanding noting”, a ga o bone go le matshwanedi gore Botswana e the official purpose of the report as we have seenin nne proactive mo dilong dingwe tse di supilweng in the practice, there are some countries that I do not want to report? Botswana e neetswe kgakololo kana tlhagiso ya mention here, big countries, which just decide to start gore ba tokafatse dilo. undertaking enhanced due diligence on any transactions that are labelled ‘Botswana’. That is not right… MR MATAMBO: Thank you very much Madam Speaker. Thank you very much Honourable Member. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)… I agree with you entirely that Botswana ought to take MR MATAMBO: …but it is happening but otherwise… action in light of the deficiencies identified in the report. That is precisely what I say we are doing now. MADAM SPEAKER: Order! Fa o tshega jaaka o kare We have already agreed on an Action Plan between the o kwa ntle jaana, go rileng? Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and the Botswana MR MATAMBO: …we are indeed doing some Government. I can tell you that we are spending sleepless publicity as you have requested. I thank you. nights trying to achieve all the action items in the action plan so that sooner than later, we may be removed from YOUNG PEOPLE ASSISTED THROUGH THE this observation list. We are doing that. Thank you very YOUTH DEVELOPMENT FUND (YDF) IN much. SELEBI PHIKWE

MR REATILE: Supplementary. MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): asked the Minister of Youth Empowerment, MADAM SPEAKER: Ke mang yo o kopang Sport and Culture Development to state the number of supplementary? young people assisted through the Youth Development Fund (YDF) and the amount disbursed since its inception MR REATILE: Ke nna kwano Madam Speaker. Thank in Selebi Phikwe and to further state: you Madam Speaker. Mma ke go leboge Tona. Potso ya me e khutshwanyane fela Tona, seemo se ka fa o bonang (i) how many were in Selebi Phikwe East and West se ntse ka teng, a ga o bone go le maleba gore ministry respectively; wa gago o ka bo o lekodisa Batswana? Gompieno jaana kgang e ya gore we are being blacklisted, o fitlhela (ii) how many were female and male respectively; dikgang tsa teng di le dintsintsi and Batswana ba se na (iii) the types of businesses funded; le fa e le kitso. A ga o bone go le maleba gore bao ba ba senang kitso, ba ka nna ba tlhodumela website ya ba ba (iv) how many businesses are still operating and dupang tsa madi kwa ministry wa gago? A ga o bone go making profit, breaking even and how many have

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collapsed; Government for the financial year ended 31st March, 2018, the Auditor General expressed concern about the (v) the amount young people of Selebi Phikwe are reconciliation; not about missing anything. She talked indebted to YDF, about the reconciliation of Government bank accounts (vi) how much has been collected and how much is making up the year and totals. In this regard, the Auditor due; and General reported that the reconciliation statement or the remittance accounts included unreconciled payments (vii) what needs to be done for the YDF to work or of P2.27 billion and unreconciled receipts of P19.66 become effective. billion, which should have been cleared and it was not at the time when the report was written. It should be noted Later Date. that no funds were reported to be missing. The Auditor MISSING GOVERNMENT FUNDS AT BANK OF General has not reported that any funds were missing. BOTSWANA That should be noted.

MR S. M. NTLHAILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Madam Speaker, the Botswana Gazette Newspaper th th asked the Minister of Finance and Economic edition of Wednesday 8 - 14 May, 2019 reported Development if it is true that Government funds that P22 billion was missing at the Bank of Botswana. th are missing from the remittance account at Bank of On the 8 May 2019, the very day that the paper came Botswana, and if so, whether he will issue a statement out, hot from the breadth, both the Governor of Bank in that regard of Botswana and the Auditor General herself, refuted the story through separate press releases, which were MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC published in the local newspapers. The P22 billion DEVELOPMENT (MR MATAMBO): Madam reported by the newspaper seems to have been arrived Speaker, as you may be aware, a similar question at by adding together receipts and payments, which regarding missing funds was previously answered by me in accounting you do not do. I wish to clarify that the in this Honourable House on the 27th November, 2018. receipts represent all Government revenues and other At that time, the question was asked by Honourable public monies from both local and foreign sources Tawana Moremi, Member of Parliament (MP) for Maun deposited into the bank account while payments relate West. I would like to reiterate my ministry’s position to all local and foreign disbursements for goods and that there were and there are no Government funds services supplied to Government. missing from the remittance account held at the Bank of Botswana. Madam Speaker, moving towards conclusion, I wish to indicate that reconciliation is a process. It is not an Madam Speaker, I wish to once more state that the event and therefore, the ministry strives for continuous audited financial statements of the Bank of Botswana improvement in making these accounts current and are submitted to this Honourable House by April 30th they are required to be current by the Auditor General. of each year, as required by the Bank of Botswana Act, To date, if I may indicate, the remittance account’s (Cap 55.01). Honourable Members of Parliament can unreconciled items have been substantially reduced and the amounts now stand at P870 million for payments see for themselves that the bank’s successive financial and P10.75 billion for receipts. statements have generated clean audit reports that confirm appropriate maintenance of accounts, existence This is against the P2.27 billion and the P19.66 billion of sound risk management, and internal control for payments and receipts respectively that had appeared environment and in general, effective structures at the in the Auditor General’s report. Bank of Botswana. The source of the story on missing funds seems to have come out of the Auditor General’s In conclusion, the ministry is continuously working Report for the financial year ended 31st March, 2017, around the clock to close this matter. I thank you very which I believe was quoted out of context. much.

Madam Speaker, in her report on the accounts of MR NTLHAILE: Ke a utlwa Mr Minister. Mr Minister, Botswana Government, not on the accounts of a ko o tlhalosetse Batswana kgang ya gago, ba itse gore Bank of Botswana; on the accounts of Botswana fa o bua ka reconciliation e e saleng e supilwe ke report

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ya Auditor General mme le go tla go tsena gompieno... understand these issues of reconciliation, they do not o tlhalosetse Batswana gore a mme gore dipalo di bo di mean money is lost. Your question is why is it taking sa nyalane, madi one a teng, go tlhatswege gore madi so long to reconcile the balances that needed to be a go supegang gore go lebega a sa kgone go nyalana reconciled? I should simply accept, I do not know, I a, a teng? Le gore fa o re the differences have been cannot tell you the period of how long this has been significantly reduced, madi ao a ne a le fa kae gore a tle going on, but certainly at the point the audit was done, go tsena mo go reng jaanong a fokotsege, go lebege o the balances were those that were indicated. kare dipalo di a atumalana, a ne a ntse a beilwe kae, a a iseng a nne reconciled a kwa kae? What makes the difference between the balances then and the balances that I am indicating now, is the fact MR MATAMBO: Thank you Madam Speaker, thank that with the Auditor General having made a query, the you very much Honourable Ntlhaile. As you say wa re Accountant General’s department had to work hard on ke rurifaletse Batswana gore a madi a teng, and that is this to ensure that this query does not repeat itself year precisely what I am saying. Madi a teng, e bile ga go na after year. In that regard, it is a question of capacity ope yo o kileng a re ga a yo, certainly not the Auditor within the Accountant General’s department. I want to General. That is the first point. Madi a teng, a ntse a le indicate through you Madam Speaker, to the Honourable teng ka nako e yotlhe, le gompieno a teng. Member, that the Accountant General has now set up a unit whose purpose and function is dedicated towards Now when you are talking gore ka re the figures have the reconciliation of this remittance account at Bank of now reduced, yes it is correct, that is what I am saying, Botswana, such that as I say, the reconciliation can be the figures have been reduced because of reconciliation, concluded and the query does not recur. I thank you. that is precisely the purpose of reconciliation. When the Auditor General queries that some balances ought HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary! not to be there, the accounts ought to be balancing, then you work hard on that exercise to ensure that they MADAM SPEAKER: Honourable Nkaigwa, you are are balancing; this is not to say madi ga a yo, this is the last one. accounting. Honourable Member, Madam Speaker... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa to elucidate MADAM SPEAKER: Order! Heelang! Order! Madam Speaker.

MR MATAMBO: You asked a question Honourable MADAM SPEAKER: Nnyaa! Ntlhaile, let me answer your question. There is HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke raya gore Madam no question here of any money or funds missing. Speaker ke tle ke... Reconciliation is something that is done not only in respect of Government accounts, it is done in all MADAM SPEAKER: Nnyaa, ke a go koba fela fa o ka companies; a reconciliation has to be done. As I say, it bo wa bua. is a continuous process, it does not end, but it does not MR NKAIGWA: Thank you Madam Speaker. mean to say that there is any money missing. I confirm, Honourable Minister, I want to believe that this issue madi a teng, a ntse a le teng, ga a ise a ko a ye gope, a should be an issue that worries you as a Minister of teng. I thank you. Finance and Economic Development, but it seems MR MAELE: In reconciliation, what is important is like you are not worried, and it is an issue that you are something called age analysis. Ke kopa Minister gore making a laughing stock out of... a re tlhalosetse gore the age analysis ya reconciliation ke how many years, because re ka kgona go bona gore MADAM SPEAKER: Supplementary question! a mme go ne go na le botlhaswa kgotsa jang. Why did it MR NKAIGWA: I want to appreciate from you take so long to reconcile, but from May up to now e bo Honourable Minister, that indeed are you acknowledging e le gore jaanong it has reduced to about P877, you said that the accounts of Government are currently not I think? What happened? Why did it take so long? Ke a qualified, because we have been sitting with accounts leboga Madam Speaker. that are not balancing? Can that not mean that indeed MR MATAMBO: I thank you very much Honourable we have lost money as a country, and what makes you Maele for that question which shows clearly that you to believe that we have not lost money as a country; it

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is just an issue of reconciling accounts, because reconciling accounts might also mean that money has been lost?

MR MATAMBO: Thank you Madam Speaker, thank you Honourable Member. Let us first correct the facts about me. The things that you have been saying about me are not correct, you say that I am not worried, I am worried, and that is why my ministry through the Accountant General have now even established a new unit within the Accountant General in order to deal with the problem. This is a problem, we do not want these queries by the Auditor General, so I am worried in that context. I am not worried in the context of money missing anywhere, not at Bank of Botswana certainly, I am not worried by that, but I am worried by the lack of reconciliation, yeah.

Laughing stock; I do not know, sometimes the way I speak, you will think I am laughing, but I am not laughing, I am very serious.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)…

MR MATAMBO: In short Honourable Member, I am not aware at least in the context of the question before me, I am not aware of any money missing. I want to tell you that I am worried and I want to make this thing disappear from our records as time goes on.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary, ke batla go tlhalosa!

MADAM SPEAKER: Nnyaa, ke ne ke rile ke ya bofelo e.

BOTSWANA’S ACHIEVEMENTS ON POVERTY ERADICATION

MR A. S. KESUPILE (KANYE SOUTH): asked the Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration to state:

(i) Botswana’s achievements on poverty eradication through the Southern African Development Community (SADC) regional plan intended to eradicate poverty in member states;

(ii) specific activities Botswana had to undertake or is undertaking under the SADC regional plan;

(iii) the level of financial and technical contribution Botswana received under the plan; and

(iv) when the plan envisages to have eradicated poverty in all its forms in Botswana and other member states.

Later Date.

NUMBER OF GENERAL PRACTIONERS AND SPECIALIST DOCTORS IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE HOSPITALS

MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE WEST): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to state: (i) the number of General Practitioners (GPs) in public and private hospitals;

(ii) the number of specialist doctors and their areas of specialty;

(iii) the number of Batswana GPs and specialist doctors; and (iv) the World Health Organisation (WHO) and other international standards on doctor-population ratio and how the country is faring. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE):

Thank you Madam Speaker.

(i) Currently, there is a total of 1,773 registered General Practitioners, out of which 1,487 are in the public sector, 26 in private hospitals and 260 in private practice.

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(ii) The total number of specialist doctors registered in the country is 575 from more than 40 specialists. The break-down of some of specialists is as follows:

Foreign Speciality area Total Professionals Citizen professionals Professionals Paediatrician 68 20 48 Public Health Specialist 48 18 30 Anaesthesiologist 46 5 41 Family Physician 45 24 21 General Surgeon 42 7 35 Specialist Physician 33 11 22 Orthopaedic Surgeon 21 7 14 General Physician 20 7 13 Internal Medicine Physician 19 9 10 Ophthalmologist 19 3 16 Radiologist 15 1 14 Pathologists 13 0 13 Psychiatrist 12 4 8 Neurosurgeon 11 1 10 Obstetrician and Gynaecologist 11 7 4 ENT Surgeon 10 2 8 Oncologist 10 2 8 Urologist 7 1 6 Nephrologist 5 3 2

Madam Speaker, I would like to state that some of the practitioners, though registered with the Council, are not operating in the country.

(iii) The total number of Batswana General Practitioners is 744 and the total number of Batswana specialists is 155.

(iv) The World Health Organisation standard of doctor-population ratio is 1:10,000. The doctor-patient ratio for Botswana is 3.8 doctors per 10,000 population.

However, it should be noted that these numbers are not a true reflection of the availability of doctors as most of the professionals practice are skewed towards the Eastern corridor along the A1 and it leaves the communities out there without doctors. I thank you Madam Speaker.

MR NKAIGWA: Supplementary. Thank you Madam Speaker. Thank you Honourable Minister, congratulations on your appointment.

Honourable Minister, there is a crisis in our health institutions; in Marina it takes two days for a patient who is in emergency to be seen by a doctor. What is your Government doing to address the situation? Also, why do we have clinics that are operating for 24 hours whilst there are no doctors in those particular clinics? Are there no plans by your Government to maybe appoint resident doctors in these clinics?

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you Madam Speaker. I guess I cannot answer the questions from the Honourable Member now because they are just fresh questions. So I can go and research more on your questions and answer them.

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MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Question put and agreed to. Honourable Speaker. Ke a leboga Honourable Minister and congratulations on your appointment. The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 2:48 p.m. until th You mentioned that there are almost four doctors to 10 Thursday 4 July, 2019 at 2:00 p.m. 000 patients and I do not know if you have the ratio of specialists in terms of the World Health Organisation (WHO) standards and what obtains in the country.

The second question relates to specialists; if you are aware that other hospitals around the country do not have specialists, for instance; the Selebi Phikwe Hospital, it has no single specialist. I am just wondering whether the 155 specialists we have are enough for our hospitals.

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you Honourable Member. I want to agree with you that some hospitals do not have specialists. Also, the ratio of specialists to population, I do not have the answer with me of how much is the ratio of specialists to population but I do agree with you that some hospitals like Selebi Phikwe do not have specialists on the ground.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary.

MADAM SPEAKER: The last one, nako ya dipotso e fedile.

MR SALAKAE: Supplementary. Thank you Madam Speaker. Congratulations Mr Minister in your new appointment. Now that you talked about specialists Mr Minister, are you aware that since 1965, we have not had any Motswana as a specialist in the area of pathology? What are you doing in that regard to address that?

MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Honourable Member. It is true that even today, there is no citizen pathologist.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MADAM SPEAKER: Order! Order! Ke ne ke rile ke ya bofelo, gape nako ya dipotso e sale e tšhaya.

MOTION

ADJOURNMENT

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Madam Speaker. Let me take this opportunity to welcome you back to Parliament and also congratulate you for having done a sterling job in the last sitting.

Madam Speaker, now that we have completed today’s Order Paper, I move that this House do now adjourn.

Hansard No 194 9 HANSARD RECORDERS Mr. T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi, Ms N. Mokoka

HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa, Ms M. Madubeko

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi, Mr K. Rebaisakae

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