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OWEN CORRIGAN
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RE-EXAMINED BY MR. DILLON 13 17
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1 OWEN CORRIGAN WAS CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. DURACK AS FOLLOWS:
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3 1 Q. MR. DURACK: Now, Mr. Corrigan, I have just a few questions
4 for you; I just wanted to clarify a few things. I think
5 you said that the, in the course of your evidence, that you
6 were aware sometime after the Killeen bomb where the RUC
7 men were killed, that there was, that the -- sorry, the
8 plainclothes RUC men going South were under threat and
9 under observation by the IRA? Did I understand you to say
10 that at some stage and that you were concerned that they
11 were being watched?
12 A. Yes, I was -- it was -- follows under the general thinking
13 that I had at the time that there was a heightened worry on
14 my part in view of what I had learned, that they were
15 scrutinised, their movements, and there was an emphasis on
16 their coming South.
17 2 Q. Because the Tribunal has heard, and will be aware, that
18 there was, in the RUC intelligence of July 1988, that that
19 is recorded, that there was an increased level of threat
20 against the plainclothes men going South?
21 A. Yes, I wasn't -- I can't recall that. I am not saying it
22 wasn't there.
23 3 Q. You may not be aware of it, but it appears from the
24 Statement of Evidence provided to the Tribunal on behalf of
25 the Provisional IRA that they suggested that they, in fact,
26 had been surveilling both Dundalk Garda Station and the RUC
27 car, Mr. Buchanan's car, from prior to Christmas of 1988?
28 A. Well, I have already given that in my earlier days here,
29 that once I have outlined in full how they commenced in
30 December '88, and their first indication was when Constable
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1 Day appeared at the station.
2 4 Q. That's right. I just wanted to draw your attention to the
3 fact that the RUC intelligence supports that and your view.
4 A. Yes.
5 5 Q. There are a couple of things I just wanted to deal with in
6 relation to your dealings with your authorities. I think
7 you have from time to time expressed unhappiness with the
8 manner of those dealings or how you were dealt with, and if
9 I may deal first with the disciplinary inquiry which took
10 place. I think it related, that the actual Inquiry took
11 place on the 21st of November of 1989, and I think it
12 related to a number of complaints that were made against
13 you in relation to the use of motor vehicles and
14 maintaining logs in relation to those, isn't that right?
15 A. Yeah.
16 6 Q. And I think you have told us, and it doesn't appear to be
17 in controversy, that you weren't really getting on with a
18 Mr. Connolly or Mr. Nolan, at least, at this stage, and
19 that they were in fact your superior officers at the time?
20 A. Absolutely, yes.
21 7 Q. And I think that you were in fact, in relation to those
22 counts, that there were in fact nine counts in all against
23 you, brought against you, relating to the use of official
24 motor cars, maintaining radio contact and making reports in
25 relation to an accident or, should I say, some damage to
26 one of the vehicles, one of the vehicles. Now --
27 A. I don't accept those allegations.
28 8 Q. Oh, sorry, I accept that you don't.
29 A. No.
30 9 Q. They were the allegations that were made.
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1 A. They were totally concocted for to serve a purpose. 2
3 CHAIRMAN: Totally concocted?
4 A. Oh, yes, yeah, the man -- he came in one day and asked me
5 to sign a book for -- the page for the use of the car,
6 which was a regular thing, and he said, "I'm going to" --
7 the Superintendent never came in before. I had served with
8 13, 13 of them, and they all had came in and congratulated
9 me on the work I had done. They came up here;
10 Mr. Courtney, the Head of the Murder Squad, whom I worked
11 with for 12 years, was one of them. No man ever came in
12 and checked the logbook, because we used to leave the
13 logbook for maybe a week at a time and to bring up the
14 mileage. He said he would sign it, and I signed it. And I
15 didn't put the make of the car, I have already stated this
16 in evidence, I don't want to take up the time of the
17 Tribunal.
18 10 Q. I don't want to either.
19 A. But Mr. Connolly came back and inserted -- falsified the
20 make and colour and date and registration of the car.
21 11 Q. Sorry, we needn't actually, if you don't mind, we won't go
22 into the detail. I accept --
23 A. I don't accept it either.
24 12 Q. I accept that you, in fact, are at odds with the counts
25 that were laid against you?
26 A. Yes, absolutely.
27 13 Q. But in any case, all of the nine counts appear to relate to
28 the use of the motor car?
29 A. Yes, alleged.
30 14 Q. And relate to being available on the end of the phone, or
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1 at least on the end of the radio, isn't that right?
2 A. Yes.
3 15 Q. What was the radio situation like around Dundalk at that
4 stage in terms of contactability?
5 A. Well, I wasn't contactable because I was engaged in very,
6 very dangerous work, and I was accused one time of not
7 being available to go to a fire. I was a detective in
8 charge of all security matters; I wasn't a fireman.
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10 CHAIRMAN: Was this the time that somebody's house was
11 petrol bombed?
12 A. Yes, and there were three patrol cars at it. Like, I
13 couldn't go to fires, I was out the same night on very
14 risky business, I might add.
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16 CHAIRMAN: What risky business was that?
17 A. In relation to intelligence, I had to meet people at
18 various locations and times of the day and night, gathering
19 intelligence, and my record of intelligence is there for
20 anyone to see it; it's already submitted. To be accused of
21 not attending a fire...
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23 CHAIRMAN: Well, it was more than a fire, it was a
24 firebomb.
25 A. Well, I don't know, there was -- the fire brigade was at it
26 anyway, and three patrol cars from Dundalk, so I don't know
27 what difference I would have made. It was part of the
28 general attitude towards my activities at the time, so it
29 was thrown into the mix as a further ingredient.
30 16 Q. MR. DURACK: Now, I think there is also -- there were
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1 matters in relation to a road traffic accident that
2 occurred on the 5th of December, isn't that right? And I
3 think that was when the, I think your patrol car was
4 damaged from the rear, I think, and there was some small
5 damage to it?
6 A. I can't recall that now.
7 17 Q. I see. But maybe, perhaps, I just might make it clear.
8 The number 7, Count No. 7 was on the 5th of December you
9 didn't do a sketch where a road accident had occurred?
10 A. And what has this got to do with the Tribunal?
11 18 Q. Sorry, I just want to clarify what in fact the Inquiry was
12 about?
13 A. Like, I am here 18 days in poor health and this is the
14 nonsense that I am listening to.
15 19 Q. No, no, just bear with me, I am not in fact trying to
16 attack you in any way, I just want to be clear.
17 A. Well, I think it's disgraceful that the time of this Court
18 has been over that I didn't prepare a sketch for an
19 accident of 25 years ago. Where are we going?
20 20 Q. We will do this a lot quicker if, in fact, you bear with
21 me.
22 A. I will decide now because my patience -- I am in very poor
23 health and to hear this, that I didn't sign or make out a
24 log, a rough sketch of an accident that somebody ran into
25 the back of me. I don't even recall what you are talking
26 about, Mr. Durack.
27 21 Q. I appreciate that you are unhappy about that.
28 A. Where are we going next?
29 22 Q. I can give you, if you like, just a list of the Charge
30 Sheets which might speed up, or the complaints that were
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1 made, which might speed up matters, and perhaps you have a
2 copy for the Chairman. In any case, there were nine
3 alleged misdeeds, and they went before a tribunal, which
4 was presided over by Chief Superintendent Hickey from
5 Mullingar; Superintendent Mulroy, I think from Kildare; and
6 Superintendent Considine from Bailieborough. And I think
7 they were all men who you didn't know and didn't know you,
8 isn't that right?
9 A. Yes.
10 23 Q. And I think it went to hearing on the 21st of November,
11 1989, and that they, in fact, acquitted you of five of the
12 nine counts?
13 A. Yes.
14 24 Q. And that, in fact, they found you -- they found the counts,
15 4, 7, 8 and 9 proved and in fact, as a result of that, you
16 were fined £50 on each of the first three and the fourth
17 one, which was number 9, was taken into account?
18 A. Yes.
19 25 Q. And that was the outcome of that. Now, you said, in fact,
20 yourself, that you didn't appeal that finding, and I just
21 want to make it clear that you did in fact put in a report
22 on the 1st of December 1989, isn't that right?
23 A. I can't recall those things. These are a long time ago. I
24 am in poor health and I am unable to help you, Mr. Durack.
25 26 Q. I can tell you, in any case, that you did put one in and
26 you made your various complaints to what you said was
27 unfair and improper in relation to --
28 A. Absolutely, absolutely.
29 27 Q. I think you should have that in the document in front of
30 you dated the 1st of December on the top corner. But you
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1 set out your complaints about it.
2 (Document handed to the witness.)
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4 And I think during the course of that Inquiry, I think you
5 were represented by Mr. Noel Hughes, solicitor, who was
6 very experienced in these matters, and I think had
7 represented the GRA for many years. And that that report
8 that you sent, you sent it to the Chief Superintendent
9 Dundalk, and it was sent on from there to the Commissioner.
10 And there was a report from the Chief Superintendent
11 supervising the Inquiry dated the 11th of December 1989,
12 and that went then to the Assistant Commissioner later on
13 that month. And that he, the Assistant Commissioner,
14 submitted a report of the 21st of December to the Deputy
15 Commissioner, Administration, setting out your complaints
16 in relation to it -- setting out what had happened and your
17 various complaints in relation to it. I think subsequent
18 to that, because of your complaints, that the matter was
19 referred on to the Chief State Solicitor for the
20 consideration of the Director of Public Prosecutions, as to
21 what, in fact, should be done in relation of your
22 complaints. And that was sent forward to the Chief State
23 Solicitor. And at the end of the report it requires: "At
24 this stage, before proceeding further, the Commissioner
25 requests your direction as to whether or not any criminal
26 charge will lie on the part of the members involved set out
27 in A, B, C aforesaid". In other words, setting out the
28 various complaints that you had made against the three
29 members and what should be done about them. And that
30 having gone to the Chief State Solicitor was referred on to
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1 the DPP. And the Director reported on the 6th of March of
2 1990 directing that there should be no further action
3 warranted in this case. And while I accept that you may be
4 unhappy with the outcome of what happened, what I merely
5 wanted to draw your attention to was the fact that the
6 hearing was, in fact, by independent people who didn't know
7 you and you didn't know them; and equally that it was
8 reviewed by both the President of the tribunal, not the
9 tribunal, the Assistant Commissioner and by the DPP's
10 Office, and that in fact an independent review was made on
11 it. Now, and to that extent you were treated fairly by the
12 system and by the authorities, even though in the end of
13 day I accept that you were unhappy with the result, isn't
14 that correct?
15 A. Is there any indication in relation to the result of the
16 Review Board there?
17 28 Q. There doesn't appear to have been a Review Board because I
18 think you didn't actually put in a formal appeal?
19 A. Oh, I did, yes.
20 29 Q. You told the Tribunal that you didn't?
21 A. Well, there was an appeal lodged, and the Review Board
22 chaired by Mr. McMahon --
23 30 Q. Well, it doesn't appear from the files, I have to say --
24 A. Well, there was a Review Board held by Commissioner
25 McMahon, whom I worked with for 25 years as a member of the
26 Murder Squad, and he recommended Mr. Nolan had painted all
27 these allegations in respect of me now, despite the fact
28 that I had been working for 30 years at the time, but
29 Mr. McMahon said, "Oh, if this man is such a threat, we
30 will transfer him to Drogheda". And Mr. Nolan
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1 countermanded everything by saying, "I won't allow him to
2 go to Drogheda". And, in fact, he made a statement at one
3 stage that I wasn't allowed into Drogheda, and Mr. Giblin
4 came up here to the Tribunal, I told him there was no
5 question of me not being allowed into Drogheda.
6 31 Q. I think we may be confusing two things, but I certainly
7 have the complete file in relation to that disciplinary
8 inquiry here.
9 A. Well...
10 32 Q. And you didn't make any reference to it?
11 A. You can make your own decision on that.
12 33 Q. It may be that it has to do with something else rather than
13 this --
14 A. No, the Review Board is part and parcel of that Inquiry.
15 34 Q. Because didn't you tell us that at that stage, that -- that
16 was in December, and that you went out sick then shortly
17 afterwards?
18 A. I don't -- I can't recall dates or whatnot, but I am saying
19 the result -- you have been told -- you have outlined to me
20 what you have seen, but it's not complete if you don't give
21 the result of the Review Board. Commissioner McMahon sent
22 up to the Review Board and he decided that, OK, if this man
23 can't work with you in Dundalk, we will send him to
24 Drogheda. But Mr. Nolan disagreed with that decision.
25 35 Q. Are you talking perhaps -- perhaps confusing it with the
26 decision to transfer you to the SDU in late '89?
27 A. I don't know, but -- no, I am saying that it's as a result
28 of that decision that I was to go to Drogheda, and
29 Mr. Nolan stated that he wouldn't agree with the decision
30 of the Review Board. Well, the SDU, it's one and the same
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1 thing, it's resulting from this indifference or inability
2 to work with these -- with this -- these personnel that was
3 suddenly drafted in. I had been there for 20 years and
4 there was no problem. This should be renamed the Corrigan
5 Tribunal, Mr. Chairman.
6 36 Q. Mr. Dillon reminds me that there was a proposal floated
7 that you might go to Drogheda, and that that may have been
8 the situation, that in fact Mr. Nolan disapproved of that.
9 But in any case --
10 A. It wasn't a proposal, it was a decision. There is a big
11 difference between a proposal and a decision.
12 37 Q. We won't fight over the word. The point is, anyway, that
13 after this Tribunal, which was conducted independently and
14 reviewed independently, I think you went sick then on the
15 4th of December, and subsequently you retired some
16 significant time later, isn't that right?
17 A. Yes.
18 38 Q. You retired on the 4th of February, 1992, having given
19 notice in December of 1991 of your intention to do so, is
20 that right?
21 A. Yes.
22 39 Q. And I think the other matter that was out there, the only
23 other matter of a disciplinary nature that was out there
24 was the allegation in relation to not being available on
25 the night of the firebombing of Brendan Duffy's, isn't that
26 right?
27 A. Yes.
28 40 Q. And I think that matter, while it was raised and commenced,
29 and that Inspector Staunton was appointed on the 29th of
30 August 1989, the Inquiry was, in fact, fixed for the 8th of
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1 May of 1990; you in fact were out sick at that stage, and
2 it was adjourned at various dates into January 1992, but in
3 fact, it never proceeded because you had retired at that
4 stage?
5 A. That's correct, yes.
6 41 Q. I think the regulations don't allow, needless to say, that
7 an inquiry is to go on while you are out on sick-leave?
8 A. That's correct, yes.
9 42 Q. And once you were out of the guards, then nothing further
10 could be done about it, isn't that right?
11 A. I don't know, now.
12 43 Q. So, that if -- there was no adjudication as to whether
13 there was any validity or otherwise in that?
14 A. No, there was not.
15 44 Q. So, the sum total of internal, if you like, of internal
16 penalties imposed on you in relation to this, were the
17 three £50 fines, isn't that right?
18 A. Yes, which in my opinion was a concoction totally of
19 fabricated charges.
20 45 Q. I appreciate that. The point I am making is that you on
21 various occasions and in fact --
22 A. It's nothing that any member of the Garda Siochana that
23 preferred them could be proud of. They were done with a
24 pure reason, as ammunition or machinery to exit my
25 departure from the Force.
26 46 Q. Will you accept, at least, that they were in fact assessed
27 and dealt with? I know you don't like the result, but they
28 were, in fact, dealt with by people who were not in fact
29 connected with you ultimately and reviewed by people who
30 were not connected with you, and that that was the result?
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1 A. Yeah.
2 47 Q. Isn't that the end of it; that in fact the procedures
3 involved were fair, which is what I am trying --
4 A. That procedure was not fair.
5 48 Q. But the independence of those people?
6 A. Absolutely, I am not questioning those people at all.
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8 MR. DILLON: Thank you, Chairman. If there is nobody else
9 who wishes to go?
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11 CHAIRMAN: Any other?
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13 MS. O'SULLIVAN: No questions.
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15 MR. COFFEY: No questions.
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17 THE WITNESS WAS RE-EXAMINED BY MR. DILLON AS FOLLOWS:
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19 49 Q. MR. DILLON: Mr. Corrigan, at the outset, I want to make
20 one thing very, very clear, which is this: That I appear
21 on behalf of the Chairman. Now, I am instructed by the
22 Chairman to deal with certain matters. That is the way we
23 have proceeded throughout this Tribunal, and that is the
24 way we are going to proceed today. I have specific
25 instructions to raise a number of matters with you. You
26 may not find them pleasant, but please bear in mind that I
27 have my instructions and that is why these matters are
28 being raised. Do you understand that?
29 A. Yes.
30 50 Q. Thank you. First of all, are you of the opinion that there
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1 was a leak that enabled the IRA to carry out the outrage?
2 A. Pardon?
3 51 Q. Are you of the opinion that there was a leak that enabled
4 the IRA to carry out the murders?
5 A. No.
6 52 Q. Are sure about that?
7 A. Certain.
8 53 Q. Mr. Mills, could you take number 6 of the loose ones and
9 put it up on the screen there. Now, this is in reply to a
10 question put to you by Mr. Rafferty, I think, and you see
11 there it starts off "of their impending arrival", that is
12 the arrival of the two RUC officers. And then it goes on
13 to say: "That is the point, they had to have prior" --
14 could you bring it back, Mr. Mills.
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16 "Question: That's the point. They had to have prior
17 knowledge of their impending arrival?
18 Answer: I agree with you.
19 Question: I am glad we agree on something, sir.
20 Answer: Well, thank you.
21 Question: Do you accept that somebody must have leaked
22 somewhere, somebody must have leaked that they were coming
23 down?
24 Answer: Somebody?
25 Question: Must have leaked that these two officers were
26 coming down to Dundalk?
27 Answer: Yes."
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29 Could you help the Chairman with that, please? I can hand
30 up a copy of that to you if you want to read it.
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1 A. Well, that would be in the context of somebody must have
2 leaked, of course, yeah. I didn't say who could have
3 leaked, it could have been amongst themselves. They had to
4 get advance information, and that advance information could
5 be their surveillance that they were -- I mean, it's very
6 clear, Mr. Dillon, that --
7 54 Q. No, just take your time. You are satisfied or it's your
8 opinion that there was a leak that led to the murders of
9 the two officers, isn't that right?
10 A. Well, the passing of intelligence as a result of
11 surveillance. Yes, there is a leak. That is a leak.
12 55 Q. Well, now, you know --
13 A. The -- I didn't say that somebody from the Garda Siochana
14 from Dundalk leaked it.
15 56 Q. No, I accept that. But could you explain to the Chairman
16 then what you mean by the word "leak"?
17 A. Where are we going?
18 57 Q. Sorry, the Chairman has asked me to raise this with you.
19 Would you care to assist him?
20 A. Leak, passing information, yes. Can I make it any more
21 plain?
22 58 Q. Who is passing information, from whom to whom?
23 A. Some one person to another person.
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25 CHAIRMAN: Who is "one person"?
26 A. Well, I don't know. That is totally and absolutely, it's
27 not for me to say, but what I am saying, Mr. Chairman, I
28 have explained it all before, my knowledge, and the IRA
29 corroborated what I said. Sure, they were following those
30 people for nine months.
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2 CHAIRMAN: I appreciate that. But, nevertheless, you did
3 say in answer to Mr. Rafferty, he said to you "Somebody
4 must have leaked that these two officers were going down to
5 Dundalk?" And you said "Yes".
6 A. Yes, it's obvious. I couldn't say anything else.
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8 CHAIRMAN: That a leak is some person telling, leaking the
9 information to another?
10 A. Yes.
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12 CHAIRMAN: Who leaked it to the IRA?
13 A. I don't know who leaked it to the IRA, sure I am not a
14 member of the IRA.
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16 CHAIRMAN: I appreciate that. You can't say?
17 A. No, I can't. And I said, Mr. Chairman, what I said was;
18 when it was put to me in the context of do you think there
19 was a leak; yes, of course there was a leak. But they were
20 there from the previous September and this was March and
21 they were operating - I thought we have gone through all
22 this thing before - from a house directly across the
23 barracks. The surveillance was so intense that they
24 narrowed it down that they were coming only on a Monday,
25 the rare Tuesday, but they were visiting Dundalk every
26 Monday.
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28 CHAIRMAN: Yes.
29 A. And at that time, at that time, the IRA were watching the
30 house. But I explained all this thing before.
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1 CHAIRMAN: No, but apart from the IRA watching the house,
2 there was a leak from somebody within the Garda Station?
3 A. Absolutely not. Absolutely --
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5 CHAIRMAN: But you said it in answer to Mr. Rafferty.
6 A. I didn't say it in relation to --
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8 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: He did not say that, Chairman. It's a
9 very important thing. He did not say that there was a leak
10 from the Garda Station. I think Mr. Dillon should read out
11 the next question --
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13 MR. DILLON: I've accepted that.
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15 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: -- and the following answer, where
16 Mr. Corrigan says: "Oh, sure, this is more of your
17 deductions, you know". I think, like, there was a
18 recording of this, I think when Mr. Corrigan was being
19 questioned by Mr. Rafferty.
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21 MR. DILLON: That is when it arose. That is my point.
22 59 Q. You see, Mr. Corrigan, the fact is that we have -- I am
23 sure you will appreciate this, we in this Tribunal, when I
24 say "we", not just the Tribunal but all the parties here,
25 have proceeded on the basis that there is a distinction
26 between a leak on the one hand and the IRA working from its
27 own intelligence. So, it seems to be that you are
28 referring to the IRA working from its own intelligence?
29 A. Absolutely, it was a coordinated exercise.
30 60 Q. So, when you refer to "leak", this is the point I asked you
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1 to explain to the Chairman, you are not referring to a leak
2 by the station or by any member of the Force?
3 A. Absolutely not.
4 61 Q. You are referring to intelligence you say they had gathered
5 themselves?
6 A. One unit to the other within the -- sure they were watching
7 for nine months.
8 62 Q. And that's what you call a "leak", is that right?
9 A. Yes.
10 63 Q. Very well.
11 A. A leak, if you want me to explain it, it's imparting one
12 item of intelligence from one individual to another.
13 64 Q. But surely, and I don't mean to labour this point, but that
14 is passing from one person whose entitled to pass it to
15 another person who is entitled to receive it. A leak
16 assumes information going from one person who is not
17 entitled to pass it to a person who is not entitled to
18 receive it?
19 A. No, I don't accept your assessment at all now or your
20 interpretation.
21 65 Q. Very well. I have got that wrong, is that right?
22 A. Well, I am not saying whether you got it right or wrong. I
23 am only saying it doesn't agree with my interpretation.
24 66 Q. And do you think that the -- sorry, even before I go on to
25 this. Are you aware of the account that the IRA gave to
26 members of the Tribunal?
27 A. Yes.
28 67 Q. You have read that transcript?
29 A. Yes.
30 68 Q. Very well.
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1 A. And if you compare that with mine, what I gave the Tribunal
2 here, it bears a lot of items of agreement, if you care to
3 check the two statements. That they had been watching it
4 from September, from when Mr. Day was seen on the forecourt
5 of Dundalk Station.
6 69 Q. So, on this point, and this is an important point which the
7 Chairman will have to deal with and he will appreciate your
8 assistance; were the IRA interested in the car or in the
9 occupants?
10 A. Well, I couldn't say what the IRA -- the situation is, the
11 car, the movement of the car or the arrival of the car at
12 Dundalk Station was first and foremost the centre of their
13 activity.
14 70 Q. Right.
15 A. Remember, those men were coming to Dundalk Station after
16 I -- left their car at security and allowed to walk in the
17 front door, ring the doorbell and wait for somebody to come
18 down, and 10 or 15 people waiting in the reception area
19 where, as beforehand, when I was in charge I brought
20 them -- made sure they were garaged out in the yard and
21 brought up through a side door.
22 71 Q. Right. I am going to come back to the IRA in a moment, but
23 I want to deal with that point in particular that you have
24 just raised because you told the Chairman that you had --
25 that you had looked after security for officers of the RUC
26 for a period of 13 years, is that right?
27 A. Yes.
28 72 Q. So that was part of your detail or part of your job?
29 A. Absolutely.
30 73 Q. And how did you go about carrying out that job?
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1 A. Well, you see, they would ring -- they -- on this
2 particular day, they would ring the Superintendent in
3 Dundalk, Mr. McCabe. He would come out to me and said
4 these men are coming at 2 or 3 o'clock, and I would go
5 downstairs and I would arrange with the Sergeant in charge
6 to get a uniform man out to be standing there. The
7 situation I couldn't understand was, those men were
8 arriving at Dundalk at 2 o'clock. There was no member of
9 the Garda force to stand on the steps at the front door to
10 welcome them, even to -- even to acknowledge their arrival,
11 and they had to turn around and walk up to the reception
12 desk, press the bell and wait in line with the members of
13 the public. You can ask yourself --
14 74 Q. Well, as we understand matters, as it happened they were
15 able to get through that inner door into the inner hallway
16 and go up the stairs. It seems the door was open, they
17 were able to walk through it.
18 A. No, no, that is not correct. It's the same as all the
19 locking devices here.
20 75 Q. We are confusing two things. On the day itself it seems
21 they managed to get up through that door and up the stairs,
22 it was on the stairs that they were intercepted by
23 somebody?
24 A. I don't know, now, but I would have expected that if two
25 very important people were arriving, I would expect someone
26 to be out on the steps then.
27 76 Q. So, in terms of what you did with RUC officers, it was to
28 meet them on their arrival, is that right?
29 A. No, not to meet them at all; to ensure their safety. My
30 main and overriding anxiety was the protection of the
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1 personnel; Judges, RUC, anyone that crossed into our
2 jurisdiction, was foremost on my mind. There was no more
3 important duty than to -- and to be accused of what I was
4 accused there, albeit in slight of hand way, it was never
5 asked of me direct did I ring up the IRA, what the
6 inference was made there, and I am here on my 18th day
7 answering questions from you that were placed up, down,
8 over and around, the same questions, and I think it's
9 absolutely most insulting to me.
10 77 Q. Well, now, I have asked you to bear in mind that I am
11 instructed to ask certain questions.
12 A. Oh, I appreciate your difficulty, but I am entitled to have
13 my say, too.
14 78 Q. Very well. Now, could the Chairman please have an idea of
15 how you carried out your function in terms of looking after
16 the security of RUC officers when they came to the station?
17 A. Oh, no, I had no dealings -- depending on what rank they
18 were.
19 79 Q. I see. So, what rank did you deal with?
20 A. Well, I would be only dealing with the members of the
21 Special Branch from up to and including Inspector.
22 80 Q. And if the visitors --
23 A. And I want to make the distinction, there was a man called
24 McCann there and he was the only non-Special Branch man who
25 we dealt with, because we were doing -- we were totally
26 different from the RUC insofar as we were CID and Special
27 Branch, we investigated crime, murder, and all that, in
28 addition to -- Special Branch never did anything only
29 gathering intelligence and to pass it on to CID.
30 81 Q. You mentioned something interesting there, you dealt with
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1 people up to the rank of Inspector?
2 A. Yes.
3 82 Q. Who dealt with people who were of a higher rank?
4 A. The Border Superintendent.
5 83 Q. Very good.
6 A. And Mr. Nolan.
7 84 Q. Very good. So, it was their job, then, to look after the
8 security of those two?
9 A. Yes, yes. It was my job to get them there, place them and
10 collect them and leave them back to the border.
11 85 Q. Very good.
12 A. And anyone that I had that I was aware of anyone coming, I
13 met them at the border. These men were coming willy-nilly
14 without any protection. They were the authors of their own
15 misfortune, let's be honest, and it's not a nice thing to
16 have to say, but let's deal with the facts.
17 86 Q. We are getting a picture now. So, you went to the border
18 to meet the car coming down?
19 A. Not on this day; I am talking generally.
20 87 Q. No, I appreciate generally, I am with you on that one.
21 A. I'm outlining my modus operandi in looking at the IRA
22 during my tenure --
23 88 Q. That is exactly what I am asking you.
24 A. -- in charge of security.
25 89 Q. So you meet the car at the border, you accompany the car --
26 A. My own men, I would just delegate.
27 90 Q. So, one of your colleagues?
28 A. Yes.
29 91 Q. And then you come down to the station.
30 A. Yes.
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1 92 Q. What happens when the RUC officers arrive at the station?
2 A. They arrive -- I had arranged for a uniform man to be at a
3 gate, there was two large gates either side of Dundalk,
4 that one of those gateways, the gates open, they drive
5 straight in and the gate was locked immediately, as to
6 prevent what actually happened on the fateful day, that
7 nobody -- a surveillance could see, could see if the car
8 was still there. And they were parked in the yard and that
9 man that locked the gate, brought them up -- there was a
10 connecting door to the stairs, they brought them up to the
11 Superintendent's office.
12 93 Q. Yes.
13 A. That would be --
14 94 Q. That was the door in on the left, is that right?
15 A. No, it's in the middle.
16 95 Q. The staircase going up to the Superintendent's office?
17 A. I am not clear about where...
18 96 Q. My recollection of the floor plan was when you went into
19 the lobby, you had the public desk, if you like, on the
20 right?
21 A. Yes.
22 97 Q. You had a door to go through and then you had another door
23 --
24 A. No, as you are going into the left -- into the right --
25 first of all you had the reception area. Now, the door of
26 the right is into the Public Office.
27 98 Q. That's right.
28 A. But there is no other doors. The stairs is straight in
29 front of you.
30 99 Q. Because our understanding was that when the two officers
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1 left, however they arrived, when they left they went down a
2 back stairs?
3 A. Yes.
4 100 Q. Which came directly into the lobby?
5 A. The back stairs, that is the point I am saying, the back
6 stairs that they left was, in my humble opinion, the stairs
7 that they should have accessed coming in.
8 101 Q. Coming in as well, yes.
9 A. Because the IRA, when they were following them at the time,
10 a car was seen driving from one gateway to the next, and
11 they were obviously checking to see if the car that they
12 travelled in - and they were aware of it at this point
13 after six months - if it was in position in the forecourt
14 of the Garda Station, and they drove in one gate and out
15 the other.
16 102 Q. Mm-hmm.
17 A. And they could confirm that on the date in question, that
18 they were there in residence and that they could make their
19 alternative arrangements.
20 103 Q. Yes.
21 A. The very same thing happened: We had an incident a number
22 of years ago when we had RUC men who were 'doggie' men, who
23 were on holiday in Tralee, and they were traced the whole
24 way from Tralee to the border at Killeen.
25 104 Q. I recollect you talking about an incident all right.
26 A. Yes.
27 105 Q. Now, it seems to be the case, and just clarify this for the
28 Chairman if you will, that you had no intelligence to
29 suggest that the two officers were being targeted, is that
30 right?
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1 A. No.
2 106 Q. No. We understand from the IRA statement, this was an
3 operation that was carried out over a period of time?
4 A. Yes, I have said that. I have said it in my first --
5 107 Q. So over that period of time you didn't get any
6 intelligence?
7 A. No, no.
8 108 Q. OK.
9 A. And I have outlined what the whole -- the sequence of
10 events from the previous September, from the -- when they
11 first saw Mr. Day in the front station and went on from
12 that to the fateful day in March, whenever it happened,
13 '89.
14 109 Q. Did you ever see Mr. Day at the station?
15 A. No, I don't know him at all.
16 110 Q. So, whatever you know is from what you have learned through
17 the Tribunal, is that right?
18 A. Absolutely.
19 111 Q. Yes. And so far as the IRA account goes, you believe that
20 to be correct, is that right?
21 A. I do, yes.
22 112 Q. What are the grounds, what are your grounds for believing
23 it is correct?
24 A. Well, it was -- my grounds at the time because, as I said
25 earlier to you, it's in accordance with the evidence I have
26 given to the Tribunal in the earlier part of this hearing
27 about them following them for six months. I think more
28 than that.
29 113 Q. But this is something you learned after the event?
30 A. No, we were aware that they were following them, oh, yeah,
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1 after it.
2 114 Q. Yes.
3 A. After it, after the event, yes.
4 115 Q. Yes. So, what intelligence did you get after the event
5 about how the IRA mounted this operation?
6 A. Well, just basically what I have said to you, that what
7 they had been -- the duration of the time they had been
8 following them and the route they had taken, and they had
9 been unsuccessful on two previous Mondays and the only --
10 they only missed them on a Monday two weeks previous to the
11 fateful day at the checkpoint; one man left the checkpoint
12 for a few minutes and during his absence, the car flew by
13 into Jonesboro.
14 116 Q. Now, to be quite clear, is this information you know from
15 what the IRA told the Tribunal?
16 A. Oh, I don't know, I -- it was broadly in terms, but it was
17 generally -- what I am saying to you now, intelligence that
18 I picked up, like it was generally known from around the
19 border area, you know.
20 117 Q. All right. But this is intelligence you picked up after
21 the event?
22 A. Yes.
23 118 Q. I see. Bear with me a second. Mr. Mills, could you put up
24 the loose leaf number 7, please. This is coming back now
25 to what -- this is the agreed note of -- sorry, this is a
26 portion of the agreed note of the meeting the Tribunal had
27 with certain members, former members, I think they are
28 correctly called, of the IRA. So, they were speaking about
29 looking at what turned out to be Bob Buchanan's car, and
30 the question was: "The focus was brought on this car by
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1 the policeman." The policeman being Nigel Day, it's called
2 Nigel Day in this document. Now, you see there:-
3
4 "Answer: Focus was brought on this car by the policeman.
5 Question: Question 16: The car was the target?
6 Answer: Yes.
7 Question: Question 17: Harry Breen was a bonus?
8 Answer: Yeah, Harry Breen was a bonus.
9 Question: Question 18: So it didn't make a difference who
10 was in the car?
11 Answer: No, the occupants of the car were targets."
12
13 So, you see, it's not quite clear, there isn't clarity as
14 to whether it was the car or the occupants who were the
15 targets. What did your intelligence tell you, the
16 intelligence that you gathered after the event, tell you?
17 A. Ah, well, it would have told me, was, like, once they had
18 got the car, they were so far, that was an advance to them.
19 119 Q. Yes.
20 A. And they connected the car with the fact that Mr. Day was
21 an identifiable target that was connected to the car, so
22 they were so far ahead in their investigation and
23 advancement of their surveillance at that point, so it
24 proved to them that the first -- first thing, in order to
25 cut down on the manpower, they had it to such a fine art,
26 they were able to say they are coming on a -- on an
27 afternoon of a Monday. It was so intense during the week
28 and there was nobody -- no visits from the RUC, but from
29 the dossier that they built up, that they came the odd
30 Tuesday, rarely, but they were coming most Mondays, we will
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1 say two Mondays a month.
2 120 Q. Right. Now, I don't have here, I don't have it in terms of
3 photocopying, but I can certainly arrange for it to be
4 photocopied, but the IRA made it clear that after
5 Loughgall, Harry Breen was a target of interest to them?
6 A. Yes.
7 121 Q. I think you were aware there was a photograph of the late
8 Chief Superintendent standing over a cache of weapons that
9 was captured after the Loughgall incident?
10 A. That's right.
11 122 Q. That photograph appeared not only in the papers but also in
12 An Phoblacht, the magazine produced by the Republican
13 movement. So, on the one hand you have got them telling us
14 that Harry Breen was a bonus; on the other hand, they tell
15 us that Harry Breen was somebody who had gone up as a
16 target after Loughgall?
17 A. Yes, but -- certainly his profile was raised considerably,
18 the fact --
19 123 Q. Yes.
20 A. -- it's subsequent to Loughgall.
21 124 Q. So when they say that the occupants of the car were the
22 target, clearly it seems to us, and correct me if I am
23 wrong, that the fact that Harry Breen was there was an
24 important point for them?
25 A. Very much so.
26 125 Q. Yes. And this operation could well have been for the
27 purpose of killing Harry Breen ultimately, although they
28 say that the plan was to capture, question and then to kill
29 Harry Breen?
30 A. That's right, yes.
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1 126 Q. And indeed Bob Buchanan?
2 A. Yes, and they succeeded partially, insofar as the first
3 thing they wanted to know, they say the RUC always carry
4 their private documents in their possession in suitcases,
5 and they knew that, and they wanted to know, and in fact
6 that is what happened. On the date in question after the
7 murders, they took away their private suitcases, notes, and
8 you may have recalled here that one particular man who
9 spoke here in relation to high-ranking officers, that was
10 dealing with me on a very personal basis and spoke
11 glowingly, he said that he got a call that evening at his
12 home and that individual had to leave the North of Ireland
13 after -- had to leave --
14 127 Q. Because personal details about him were in a document --
15 A. Absolutely.
16 128 Q. -- taken by the IRA?
17 A. What they were, the focus of attention was, it was
18 high-grade intelligence that the IRA wanted to know from
19 their inquiries at Loughgall. They wanted to suspect who
20 was the informer, because it was -- it was not at volunteer
21 level that this intelligence was in circulation, and they
22 had reduced to single numbers as to who it could be, and
23 they felt that it was -- that Harry Breen would have the
24 number or code for the number, hence the intelligence.
25 They were perusing through the notes that they had thieved
26 from the dead man and were working immediately that day of
27 their -- he got the call the following evening, I
28 understand. I think he may have said that here.
29 129 Q. Mm-hmm. Now, you said that the IRA had reduced the number
30 of potential candidates, if I can put it that way, to
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1 single figures, is that right?
2 A. Oh, that's what the belief.
3 130 Q. Now, what was your source for that belief?
4 A. I don't know, it was just general tittle-tattle or gossip,
5 you know.
6 131 Q. But, and I am not detracting from what you've just said,
7 but you offer that to the Chairman as your evidence, is
8 that right?
9 A. Well, I just offer it of assistance. And the same thing, I
10 am offering any assistance I can to the Chairman in his
11 endeavours to establish the facts.
12 132 Q. I want to come back to the beginning, if I can put it that
13 way, before we launch onto another topic, and it's this:
14 In your statement to the Tribunal you said that you
15 welcomed the establishment of the Tribunal because it was
16 going to give you an opportunity to vindicate your good
17 name?
18 A. That's right.
19 133 Q. What did you expect the Tribunal to do, as a matter of
20 interest?
21 A. I didn't expect, indeed from my own personal side, I wanted
22 to --
23 134 Q. Well, that is the point, dealing with you, what do you
24 expect the Tribunal to do?
25 A. Once I had the opportunity of telling the truth and the
26 true facts. Like, I came up here and I was accused of --
27 like, not accused directly by you, Mr. Dillon, but every
28 other -- you took every other route. You went down the
29 country, yourself and the other person, to two hotels in
30 Louth, and you asked everybody, young members, what they
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1 knew about Owen Corrigan. I had no dealings with uniformed
2 members in Dundalk.
3 135 Q. How do you know this?
4 A. Because they told me back.
5 136 Q. So you were keeping in touch with people, is that right?
6 A. If somebody makes an allegation against you, it would be in
7 your interests.
8 137 Q. But did you make the phone call or did the person spoken to
9 make the phone call?
10 A. I don't know, it's not clear now, it's over, and I wanted
11 to come clear, and I am only saying that's why I am here 18
12 days. Are we any further --
13 138 Q. So you were in the background, keeping tabs, is that right?
14 A. No.
15 139 Q. What else were you doing, then?
16 A. Oh, sure... I will not comment any further. There is no
17 point in me.
18 140 Q. No, it's an important point which the Chairman needs to
19 know about because he needs to assess whether the evidence
20 given to him by various people is their own independent
21 evidence.
22 A. I am asking you, did you ask -- you went down and your
23 colleague, went down to two hotels in Louth. Did you ask
24 about any other member in Dundalk only Owen Corrigan?
25 Because we can get them up here now if you doubt it.
26 141 Q. Sorry?
27 A. Men who I have no dealings with.
28 142 Q. You are missing the point here. The point is that the
29 Chairman is entitled to expect that witnesses will come
30 here --
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1 A. Absolutely.
2 143 Q. -- untrammeled by any conversation they might have with
3 anybody else and give their own evidence freely.
4 A. At the start of this Tribunal, we were told tittle-tattle
5 gossip wouldn't be listened to, and that's all that is, is
6 tittle-tattle, in my opinion. Those men that you are
7 asking questions didn't even know anything about me. We'd
8 very little contact with any uniform member in Dundalk.
9 144 Q. I am going to have to press you a bit on this. This is an
10 important point of which we were not aware until now. What
11 were you doing talking to potential witnesses for the
12 Tribunal?
13
14 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Sorry, implicit in that question there is
15 a suggestion there is something wrong with the witness to
16 this Tribunal talking to another witness to this Tribunal.
17 If Mr. Dillon is suggesting that, he should open an
18 authority to the Court which shows that. You are perfectly
19 entitled to speak to other witnesses for the Tribunal.
20
21 MR. DILLON: No, I did put it in context, which was you
22 were entitled to expect that witnesses would come to you
23 untrammeled by conversations with anybody else; they give
24 their own evidence from their own knowledge. Now, from
25 what you have heard from Mr. Corrigan, there appears to
26 have been contact going on in the background throughout the
27 conduct of this Tribunal. And I am merely trying to
28 explore the nature of this conduct so that you might be
29 reassured about the evidence that you have heard. That is
30 all. It's an important point though, because this is the
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1 first that this issue has been faced up to so squarely as
2 this, and credit to Mr. Corrigan, he raised it and now we
3 are asking him to deal with it.
4
5 CHAIRMAN: Perhaps you will explain, did anybody contact
6 you and say, "I was spoken to by the Tribunal legal team
7 and they asked me did I know anything about Owen Corrigan"?
8 Did that happen?
9 A. No.
10
11 CHAIRMAN: Or did you contact them and say, "What did they
12 ask you?"?
13 A. No, all the members that were interviewed were meeting from
14 time to time and the general discussion would be about what
15 was going on in --
16
17 CHAIRMAN: Meeting you from time to time or meeting --
18 A. This is at the private hearings, at the very outset. I
19 mean, the situation; I have been singled out here, I have
20 been asked this, that and the other compared to any
21 other -- the focus of the attention was me. We were
22 supposed to hear about the leaks from Dundalk Station and
23 whatnot, and it was the whole background was about me, and
24 these men wouldn't even know, there is a list of them
25 there, they wouldn't even know what I was doing on any one
26 given day, and they were only discussing what -- they
27 couldn't understand how they were even called to a private
28 hearing to be asked what they knew about Owen Corrigan.
29
30 145 Q. MR. DILLON: So your discussions went to that extent, that
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1 they were expressing their concern or their worry or their
2 puzzlement as to why they were being contacted by the
3 Tribunal?
4 A. Well, policemen do talk, in case you mightn't understand
5 that, that's the way they behave, but they do talk, and any
6 expression would be expressed amongst themselves, you know.
7 I don't think there is anything unusual about that. If
8 somebody is contacted by the Tribunal, I think it's the
9 most natural thing in the world that they come out to say,
10 "Well, they were asking about you". I was never accused
11 openly of this thing by either you or the RUC at any stage,
12 so I don't know how -- you went around there and you
13 skirted around the thing in various ways, and if you had
14 asked me straight out, I would have told you. I would have
15 saved you all the time that we have -- that the Inquiry has
16 now evaporated the time -- valuable time available to us
17 all.
18 146 Q. Well, now, we have got, I won't say diverted, but we went
19 on to that topic, but I want to come back to you about what
20 you said about the opportunity to clear your name, and I'd
21 put it to you what do you expect the Tribunal to do, but
22 the next, I suppose the countervailing question is: What
23 can you do to help the Tribunal vindicate your good name?
24 A. By telling the truth and not listening -- and counteracting
25 the rumours and the falsehoods that was made by people with
26 a vested interest in telling such. You had every -- you
27 had high-ranking members of An Garda Siochana up to and
28 including four Commissioners. Did you have anyone -- there
29 was never a complaint against me in Dundalk, against a
30 member of the public, behaviour in the Garda Station,
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1 treatment of prisoners, call it whatever you like. Every
2 one of them came up and spoke about me in the most
3 complimentary terms, and here I am in a Tribunal, after 33
4 years, having to explain allegations of conclusion and the
5 words of a paid agent of the British State and certain
6 selected, and I mean "selected" members of the RUC, who
7 came and choose their own very bigoted version of events to
8 suit the occasion. As I said at the start, this is a total
9 political trial, laced with political elements from --
10 emanating from MI5 for the purpose of hanging this thing
11 around my neck, when the original allegation was made
12 against their forces in the murder of Pat Finucane, and
13 that is what's it all is in a nutshell. And we must be
14 mindful of that at all stages, and I am entitled to be able
15 to come here and say that.
16 147 Q. Two things arise out of what you have just said: First of
17 all, why were you singled out by the British Security
18 Service? Why were you singled out and not another member
19 of the Force?
20 A. Well, they didn't know anyone else, they didn't know --
21 Mr. Fulton, this star witness that they had, openly
22 admitted that he gave my name and he came to IRA, to work
23 with the IRA in Dundalk. They supplied him with a car at
24 £10,000 and paid for the car, the British did. They sent
25 him to meet Jeffrey Donaldson, who gave the BBC --
26 mentioned my name in Parliament. Who was at that meeting?
27 Mr. Fulton was Mr. Donaldson's bed mate. He was present
28 with another man called Willie Frazer, whom we all remember
29 of his activities in O'Connell Street here.
30 148 Q. You used a word there which you might explain to the
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1 Chairman. You referred to a "bigoted" approach or a
2 "bigoted" attitude. What did you mean by that? "Bigoted"
3 is the word --
4 A. No, it shouldn't be -- I shouldn't have said "bigoted".
5 There is a political dimension to it.
6 149 Q. Political dimension?
7 A. Yes.
8 150 Q. OK.
9 A. And your other witness here who refused to testify was
10 Mr. Toby Harnden, who wrote -- who is a former member of
11 the British Services, and was recruited by MI5, and he came
12 and didn't appear here at the Tribunal after making
13 allegations from which all these people derived or
14 attempted to issue statements, including, I might say,
15 politicians in the South, of what they read in a book, and
16 when he was asked to testify about what was in the book, he
17 refused to do so.
18 151 Q. But isn't this a problem, now, Mr. Corrigan, because the
19 book 'Bandit Country' doesn't name you?
20 A. No.
21 152 Q. So --
22 A. It doesn't name me for very good reason: It names me in
23 everything but name, if you know what I mean? If that is a
24 contradiction in terms.
25 153 Q. No, no, I take the point, but I just don't get it, if you
26 know what I mean? Mr. Harnden, in his book, refers to
27 Garda X and Garda Y. Now, which are you, X or Y, according
28 to you?
29 A. Garda X. They know it was deleted and -- it was deleted
30 for purely political -- for libelous purposes, you know
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1 that yourself.
2 154 Q. Be that as it may, the fact is you were not named?
3 A. Well, if you accept that, Mr. -- it was well-known fact.
4 Why had I to take action against all the papers here?
5 155 Q. Because you were named in those articles.
6 A. No, I was named in the article that had come to the fore in
7 the aftermath of Garda X, Garda X, it was then -- they had
8 access to the apparatus available to name me.
9 156 Q. Oh, what do you mean by that, I am sorry, you have to
10 explain?
11 A. Well, in journalistic circles they could go to certain
12 points of view or certain points of interest that they were
13 able to bring my name forward from previously not being
14 known. Sure, look at the members of the RUC who never met
15 me, wouldn't know me if I walked into the room could come
16 up and give evidence. One man said that I was involved in
17 a bombing in Omeath with 'Mooch' Blair. Mr. Blair's
18 solicitors, who were here in court, were able to produce
19 evidence that Mr. Blair was, at that time, in prison in
20 Northern Ireland, and this is the type of thing. We have
21 been led here in the Tribunal by the activities of MI5, and
22 they are the professionals in the pedalling of gossip.
23 Remember how we started off, is the shooting of Pat
24 Finucane by the British Security Forces.
25 157 Q. We have been over this ground, if you don't mind.
26 A. Let's not forget it, whatever about being over it, let's
27 not forget the main point.
28 158 Q. Mr. Corrigan, it's now 12 o'clock, would you care for a
29 short break?
30 A. Yes.
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1 159 Q. 15 minutes? 2
3 CHAIRMAN: I will adjourn until a quarter past 12, is that
4 all right?
5
6 THE TRIBUNAL ADJOURNED BRIEFLY AND THEN RESUMED AS FOLLOWS:
7
8 160 Q. MR. DILLON: Now, Mr. Corrigan, we will carry on. As I
9 said to you at the outset, there are matters that I am
10 instructed to raise with you and there are some matters I
11 am sure you won't enjoy dealing with, but they have to be
12 dealt with, and the first is, you spoke yesterday at some
13 length about your sick-leave in 1989 onwards, do you
14 remember that?
15 A. Yes.
16 161 Q. And again, this is a matter which has to be dealt with,
17 because, I am going to ask you to -- Item No. 3, if you
18 wouldn't mind, Mr. Mills -- now, I have taken the liberty,
19 I am sorry, but in circumstances where we are still doing a
20 move, I don't have clean copies of all the documents. I
21 have marked this, but it may be of assistance. The
22 question that was put to you, this was put to you, just to
23 put it in context, when you were asked by Noel Conroy to
24 assist him in relation to the Biet paintings. Do you
25 remember that incident, that episode?
26 A. Yes.
27 162 Q. And Noel Conroy came to you and asked you to assist him,
28 which effectively meant you had to deal, insofar as it was
29 possible to deal with a rather dangerous man called,
30 nicknamed 'The General', isn't that right?
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1 A. That's right.
2 163 Q. And this was in the context of your illness, and it was put
3 to you at Question 61 page 15 of Day 107:-
4
5 "Question: So, the position then is that you were able to
6 come out from under the cloud of nervous exhaustion, is
7 that right?
8 Answer: That's right, yes.
9 Question: And you performed the duties that Noel Conroy
10 asked you to perform and then you went back under the cloud
11 of nervous exhaustion?
12 Answer: Yes
13 Question: Isn't that right?
14 Answer: That's right."
15
16 You see, it's in that context that the issue was raised
17 about your illness. Now, can you assist the Chairman how
18 you reconcile the evidence that you gave yesterday with the
19 evidence that you gave earlier on to the Chairman, namely
20 that you were able to come out from under the cloud of
21 nervous exhaustion to deal with and assist Mr. Conroy in
22 chasing an extremely dangerous man, and once that was over
23 you then went back under the cloud of nervous exhaustion?
24 A. I have nothing further to say to that.
25 164 Q. Sorry?
26 A. It's what happened, I don't know, I have no answer to that,
27 I can't explain that. I worked for Mr. Conroy and he asked
28 me as a personal favour, and in fact, he asked me to go and
29 work for him full-time.
30 165 Q. You got on well with Mr. Conroy?
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1 A. Oh, very well, yeah.
2 166 Q. And you found it a pleasure to work with him?
3 A. Absolutely, as I did with the 13 Superintendents that were
4 in Dundalk previous to the arrival of Mr. Connolly. I
5 never had any problem working with anyone.
6 167 Q. Yes. And you didn't find it a pleasure working with John
7 Nolan or Tom Connolly, isn't that right?
8 A. No, couldn't work with either of them.
9 168 Q. So, is it possible that the relationship between your being
10 unable to work and the days when you were able to work had
11 to do more with personality than illness?
12 A. Oh, no, I wouldn't say that. The situation is, I was
13 working there and this was at the base of the problem:
14 They resent the fact that I was reporting directly to the
15 Commissioner, and it was out of efficiency on the
16 instructions of Mr. Ainsworth because things were happening
17 so often in Dundalk. Just for argument's sake, say
18 something happened on a Monday and if I reported it to
19 anyone local there, it was Tuesday before it got to
20 Drogheda, and Drogheda it'd be Thursday. There would be an
21 accumulation of intelligence. That is the volume of
22 correspondence that there was. And there was a competition
23 there at all times between the Garda intelligence and RUC
24 intelligence, as to who would be in receipt of the
25 intelligence in the shortest possible period. I seen me
26 on - I don't want to go into the detail now - of all-night
27 meetings that were held with subversives in this country,
28 and I had to bring a man in to type a report, and that man
29 was in the Security Headquarters at 8 a.m. in the morning,
30 and the Government was waiting on that report and were
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1 delighted to get it and made the decision on foot of what
2 they received, and I was complimented by the Commissioner.
3 Now, that is the type of thing we are talking about.
4 169 Q. Yes. Just go back to the question that was put to you,
5 which is that, is it reasonable to say that your illness
6 was related to the personalities you were dealing with?
7 A. Yeah. Well, I mean, illness was a build-up of pressure and
8 being pushed out of sick -- remember one thing, that in
9 that investigation that we are talking about there, I
10 wasn't invited to take part in it.
11 170 Q. I am sorry?
12 A. The investigation into the murder of the RUC men, I wasn't
13 invited to take part in it, yet the men, Mr. Courtney,
14 Mr. Reynolds and all those men from the Technical Bureau
15 who came to Dundalk to investigate, or any other part of
16 the country, came and recruited me to assist them.
17 171 Q. OK.
18 A. But yet I wasn't allowed to participate in Dundalk. It was
19 purely a personal thing, which happens in all
20 organisations.
21 172 Q. Yes. This is the point that I am trying to get at.
22 A. I don't see anything unique about it.
23 173 Q. No, I am not suggesting there is anything unique, but this
24 is the point I am trying to get at, that your illness was
25 more related to personality than to illness?
26 A. My illness is fully covered by qualified people. I am not
27 in a position to -- you have read or listened to the
28 reports.
29 174 Q. But what is the Chairman to make of those medical reports
30 or medical certificates when he also hears from you that
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1 you were able to go out at the request of Noel Conroy and
2 engage in an extremely difficult and hazardous mission?
3 A. Well, I don't know, at the time situations may have
4 changed. I don't know. It'd be speculation if I was to go
5 any further than that, Mr....
6 175 Q. Now, do you remember yesterday Mr. O'Callaghan asked you to
7 go through the list of properties that you had bought?
8 A. Yes.
9 176 Q. I am sure it was an oversight, but there was one that was
10 left out of the list. Do you remember you bought a house
11 from a colleague, I think in the 1970s, a house that was
12 outside Navan?
13 A. Yes.
14 177 Q. And I think you paid £5,000 for it at the time?
15 A. Yes.
16 178 Q. Isn't that right?
17 A. This is 1975. This is another probe into my private
18 affairs.
19 179 Q. I am coming to the point now, I am coming to the point.
20 That is another property to be added to the list, isn't
21 that right?
22 A. Added to what list?
23 180 Q. To the list of properties that you bought and sold?
24 A. And what inference is that? Is there anything against
25 buying a property?
26 181 Q. If you just listen to the question.
27 A. I am listening to it, and it makes it all the more galling.
28 182 Q. As I said, bear in mind that I am instructed to ask this
29 question on behalf of the Chairman.
30 A. Well, I am instructed to give my opinion, and I am appalled
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1 that I am here at this stage of my service in my health to
2 be asked to go back and account for a property that I
3 bought for -- in 1975. I am after enduring a very torrid
4 time, including, if you would care to look at my record, my
5 health record, and I am not in a position to listen to you
6 talking about what property I bought --
7
8 CHAIRMAN: Nevertheless, I think that if you could just
9 calmly answer the question.
10 A. I am calmly answering it.
11
12 CHAIRMAN: No, you haven't answered it yet, you've said you
13 object to being asked it. It is relevant what properties
14 you own.
15 A. In what context, Mr. Chairman?
16
17 CHAIRMAN: In the context of your overall career.
18 Mr. Dillon has asked the question; it is quite a simple
19 one, and I think you should be able to answer it without
20 difficulty.
21 A. Oh, I have no trouble answering.
22
23 CHAIRMAN: Good.
24 A. But just the context in which it is -- the basis of the
25 question. Why is my private life -- why was all the other
26 members that was up here, they weren't asked about what
27 property they bought.
28 183 Q. MR. DILLON: I think you have forgotten some evidence which
29 the Chairman has heard, which indeed was put to you at an
30 earlier stage, and this was advice that he had got from a
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1 former senior RUC officer who appeared under his own name
2 of Blair Wallace.
3 A. Yes.
4 184 Q. Now, did you ever meet or know Blair Wallace?
5 A. Never heard of him.
6 185 Q. But he advised the Chairman on what matters he should look
7 out for, or what matters the police look out for, if it is
8 the case that they believe that an officer has gone off
9 message, whether he is -- and I am not referring to you, I
10 am not referring to collusion, but just general
11 principles -- if the police source have a concern about an
12 officer, what should they look at. And one of the things
13 that he mentioned was the financial status of the officer
14 in question. Now, again, to put it in context, that list
15 of criteria, including financial status, was agreed to by
16 Pat Byrne, former Commissioner, and, to put it in further
17 context, you, too, agreed that was a matter that should be
18 looked into. Now, whether you like it or not,
19 Mr. Corrigan, the reality is, you have been named, and the
20 Tribunal has to get to the bottom of this, one way or the
21 other. It would be of assistance to the Tribunal if you
22 would just help it with this one matter, which could well
23 result in the Tribunal saying, well, that is it, we can put
24 Mr. Corrigan to one side and we will move on and deal with
25 other matters. The reason that these unpleasant matters
26 are raised, is to assist the Chairman, to allay any concern
27 he might have. Do you understand that?
28 A. No, I don't.
29 186 Q. Well, I am sorry, I don't think I am going to make it much
30 plainer. Now, £5,000, in 1975, was a fair sum of money?
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1 A. Yes.
2 187 Q. Right. This brings us back to a commitment you gave to the
3 Chairman when you were last in the box, before your
4 operation --
5 A. Yes.
6 188 Q. -- that you would try to find details of a bank account
7 which it seems you had round about the time that the
8 Bloombridge property account was set up?
9 A. Yes.
10 189 Q. Well, it does appear to be the case that you had a personal
11 account running parallel with the Bloombridge property
12 account, and may well have merged, later on, into the two,
13 but not at the beginning. Now, you were to instruct your
14 solicitor to conduct inquiries. Now, I am not asking you
15 what your instructions are, but could you confirm to the
16 Chairman that you have given those instructions to your
17 solicitors?
18 A. No, I decided that I wouldn't. I have thought about it,
19 and nobody else was asked here to disclose a thing, and I
20 am telling you, here and now, that I don't intend to
21 divulge my private bank business.
22 190 Q. So you have decided --
23 A. That I am not --
24 191 Q. -- not to assist the Tribunal?
25 A. Yes, that's right. I have suffered enough. I have thought
26 about it in hospital. I don't want to go into very private
27 details to the extent of my injuries, but to come here and
28 to state -- come here in the state that I am in, and I
29 don't intend to come any further and will be leaving today
30 and may not be back because I think it's grossly unfair to
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1 be going over this in view of my health, that I have gone
2 through, and assisted -- I am obliging the Tribunal by
3 coming here, under very serious circumstances. And as a
4 matter of fact, my memory doesn't recall -- my recollection
5 of affairs is such that I couldn't honestly think back an
6 awful lot of those things that happened me and all the
7 things that have happened to me in the meantime, and my
8 family, and all, have suffered over this horrific set of
9 circumstances.
10 192 Q. All you are being asked to do is clarify the existence of a
11 bank account, that is all.
12 A. Well, I don't know, I thought about it and I thought -- and
13 I had a lot of time to think about it when I was lying on
14 my death bed at the hospital, and I realised if I ever,
15 ever recovered, which I was that close, ever recovered, I
16 wouldn't have anything got to do more with --
17 193 Q. I am going to ask you again, and think carefully about your
18 answer, are you refusing to assist the Tribunal in this
19 respect?
20 A. Yes.
21 194 Q. And the reasons that you have set out, they are the reasons
22 why you feel you are entitled to refuse to assist, is that
23 right?
24 A. No, I don't -- I have thought -- I can't -- I am not
25 handing over my bank accounts, and that is it.
26 195 Q. That is my point, you feel that you are entitled to refuse
27 it, is that right?
28 A. Yes.
29 196 Q. And for the reasons that you have mentioned, is that right?
30 A. Yes. For a start-off, that is my decision. I have thought
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1 hard and long in my hospital bed, and I have been treated
2 totally unfair. There is not another witness, which you
3 like to call me, which I don't believe, has been asked to
4 account for their private business, not one of them, and
5 you'd have every one of them up here, which you issued a
6 personal, a personal campaign against me from the very
7 first day that you started this Tribunal.
8 197 Q. Mr. Corrigan, what puts you in a slightly different
9 category is the fact that you have, rightly or wrongly, and
10 I stress the mind is completely open, stress you have been
11 nominated as having been involved in the murders of the two
12 RUC officers?
13 A. By whom?
14 198 Q. Jeffrey Donaldson, for example?
15 A. Jeffrey Donaldson?
16 199 Q. Yes.
17 A. Are you thinking Jeffrey Donaldson is a credible witness?
18 200 Q. That is matter for the Chairman, now.
19 A. Jeffrey Donaldson and MI5 sent -- did you hear my evidence
20 when I told you who was with Jeffrey Donaldson when he made
21 a statement?
22 201 Q. Yes.
23 A. Did you listen to my evidence?
24 202 Q. Yes.
25 A. What did I say?
26 203 Q. You mentioned that he was accompanied by Kevin Fulton and
27 Willie Frazer?
28 A. That's right. Doesn't that give you an honest appraisal of
29 Jeffrey Donaldson? Do you think that Jeffrey Donaldson is
30 being any way -- what is your effort or opinion of Jeffrey
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1 Donaldson? Do you expect him to say anything else?
2 Jeffrey Donaldson was used by MI5, to broadcast my name on
3 the instructions of MI5. He was another arm of the
4 campaign by the British security forces to drag the Garda
5 Siochana into this whole thing.
6 204 Q. You see, Mr. Corrigan --
7 A. And it's sad to see a servant of the State, which you are,
8 being used to propagate this.
9 205 Q. You see, Mr. Corrigan, what is unfortunate, and I have to
10 put it to you, this is a tactic that you use, is that
11 rather than deal with a message, you try to shoot the
12 messenger?
13 A. No, no.
14 206 Q. Why don't you deal with the message?
15 A. No, I am entitled to my rights, you know. I am coming here
16 to assist the Tribunal. What you come along and tell me,
17 when I ask you, what evidence have you to connect me, and
18 you turn around and tell me, with all seriousness, that
19 Jeffrey Donaldson is your star witness. What a state of
20 affairs. I would expect any man with any sense of fairness
21 to be ashamed to mention Jeffrey Donaldson as a credible
22 witness.
23
24 CHAIRMAN: So that is your reason for refusing to assist by
25 answering the question about your bank account?
26 A. Yeah -- no, no, I have made a decision, Mr. Chairman, I
27 have been very ill and I have made a decision, and I find
28 it very trying, and I may have to go now if I am being
29 tortured any more. This thing went back about -- it's a
30 trial on the life and times of Owen Corrigan. That is all
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1 it is. We are bending to the British, we are doing their
2 work for them. Our leaders went over to London to
3 investigate poor Pat Finucane being shot in front of his
4 wife and three children. And here are we, a man telling me
5 what Jeffrey Donaldson said about me is credible. Where
6 are we going, like? And this other man, no later than
7 yesterday, your other star witness, Mr. Fulton, was in
8 court in the North of Ireland on another alleged exercise
9 that is close to his heart. I have a copy of it there if
10 you would like to be informed of the situation. And these
11 are the two star witnesses you have, Mr. Dillon? Come and
12 tell me now what witness you have? What went on here
13 wouldn't be tolerated in a criminal court.
14 207 Q. First of all, you keep on forgetting that I am here on
15 behalf of the Chairman, with my instructions.
16 A. Yes.
17 208 Q. All right? Just bear that in mind.
18 A. Yes.
19 209 Q. Now, I want to move on to another topic. You know the
20 Chairman received evidence from Tom Curran?
21 A. Yes.
22 210 Q. Did you ever know Tom Curran?
23 A. Yes.
24 211 Q. I think a Superintendent in Monaghan, is that right?
25 A. Yes.
26 212 Q. Right. What did you make of him?
27 A. I don't know. I am not going to say. What do you mean,
28 what do I make of him?
29 213 Q. Did you regard him as a good officer?
30 A. I don't know. It wouldn't be for me to judge any officer.
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1 214 Q. OK. You know that he gave evidence to the Chairman that
2 he, at the request of Bob Buchanan, went to Dublin, went to
3 Garda Headquarters and spoke to Eugene Crowley about a
4 concern the RUC had about you?
5 A. He said he spoke to Eugene Crowley.
6 215 Q. Yes. You don't accept that, is that right?
7 A. No -- well, how could I accept or not accept? Noel Conroy,
8 who was in the same room as Mr. Crowley, didn't see him.
9 216 Q. Now --
10 A. Did you read --
11 217 Q. I am sorry, you were saying --
12 A. Did you read Mr. Conroy's account of Mr. Curran's --
13 218 Q. Mr. Conroy?
14 A. Yes, who was present in Garda Headquarters when Mr. Curran
15 was allowed -- I won't go into that because I don't know
16 and I can't comment on it.
17 219 Q. All right. Now, Mr. Mills, would you go to the bound
18 volume, tab 5. Now, the first page there, it's page 43 of
19 Day 14. Do you have it there? It was my mistake, it's
20 page 49 on Day 14. And this was your counsel
21 cross-examining Tom Curran. And down at the bottom,
22 question 300 -- we will begin with question 299. We don't
23 have to worry about the first couple of sentences, but down
24 there at the bottom:
25
26 "Question: But there is an inconsistency, if we can put it
27 at its politest, between what you say and what Mr. Crowley
28 has told this Tribunal?
29 Answer: Yes, there is, but I cannot comment on that."
30 And then it was put to Mr. Curran: "Well, one way that
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1 that inconsistency can be explained, Mr. Curran, is, in
2 fact, you didn't go down to Eugene Crowley and tell him
3 what Bob Buchanan allegedly said to you?
4 Answer: That is completely incorrect."
5
6 But I think you agree that that is the position, that Tom
7 Curran didn't go down?
8 A. Hmm?
9 220 Q. That is a point put to you by your own counsel, so you
10 accept that?
11 A. Accept what?
12 221 Q. That Tom Curran was mistaken in his evidence when he said
13 that he went down to see Eugene Crowley?
14 A. How can I comment --
15 222 Q. That is a question put on your behalf.
16 A. I can't comment on what Mr. Curran did or didn't do. My
17 counsel will answer for that.
18 223 Q. Now -- yes. I think this is to confirm the evidence you
19 have just given. The next page, Mr. Mills, is Day 104,
20 page 24. And if you look at question 102:
21
22 "And I think that you were aware that Superintendent Curran
23 from Monaghan had a conversation with him" -- that is the
24 Assistant Commissioner Eugene Crowley -- "do you know about
25 that?
26 Answer: Well" -- concerning yourself -- "yes, that's
27 correct" -- well, you corrected yourself -- "there is a
28 doubt about that because he seems to have gone to Garda
29 Headquarters and nobody else has seen him up there, so I
30 don't know."
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1 Does that accord with your view?
2 A. Yes, that's right.
3 224 Q. Now, I think you and Eugene Crowley got on very well
4 together, is that right?
5 A. Very well. He served in Dundalk with me, he did a number
6 of years.
7 225 Q. Now, the next page, Mr. Mills, is Day 119, page 10. If you
8 go down to line 22:
9
10 "Answer: Mr. Crowley worked with me for many, many years
11 when I was a trainee detective and Mr. Crowley knew me
12 better than anyone, and he certainly was not going to
13 tolerate anyone coming up and doubting my integrity, nor
14 was any one of the six or eight members of Commissioner
15 rank who knew me the same and knew me for nothing but a
16 workaholic and a devotion to duty to the exclusion of my
17 own personal safety -- "
18 Do you remember that evidence which you gave?
19 A. I can't recall it now. I accept it --
20 226 Q. You are happy enough with that, is that right?
21 A. Yes.
22 227 Q. Now, I'd like to take you back up a few lines on this page,
23 but, to put it in context, this is when you were telling
24 the Chairman about the conspiracy you speak about by the
25 British security staff officers to fit you up or set you up
26 for the murders of Harry Breen and Bob Buchanan?
27 A. Yeah, which it clearly is.
28 228 Q. I beg your pardon?
29 A. Which it clearly was, and this is -- and this here, our
30 operations here --
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1 229 Q. Maybe you didn't hear me. This was in the context of your
2 explaining to the Chairman how you were being set up by the
3 British security services?
4 A. Yes.
5 230 Q. Do you remember you explained to the Chairman at some
6 length and some eloquence how that situation arose?
7 A. In some -- what was your description there?
8 231 Q. In the context of inquiries into collusion --
9 A. No, repeat to me what you said.
10 232 Q. In the context of inquiries into alleged collusion, that
11 you were singled out by the British security services,
12 isn't that right?
13 A. Yes.
14 233 Q. And that was your evidence to the Chairman?
15 A. That's right, and clearly is, and that is the situation,
16 and everyone else knows that, too, as a matter of fact.
17 234 Q. All right. And then you were putting it in quite eloquent
18 terms. We begin at line 12:
19
20 "But there, you see, as I said before in my evidence, they
21 were trying to impose a military solution on a political
22 problem, and we had our hand on the political problem and
23 were doing extraordinarily well, and suddenly, the RUC, and
24 I don't want to prejudge whether Mr. -- in addition to the
25 addition, where they got the 40 extra men" -- now this is
26 the next passage I want you to focus on: " -- it is my
27 contention that they went the next way, the next step along
28 the way and they instructed Mr. Curran to go and voice his
29 concern to me -- about me, rather, to Mr. Crowley."
30 A. Yeah, well the situation is there is machinery for the
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1 operation of An Garda Siochana and the RUC, and if the RUC
2 had any legitimate concern about me, they were meeting
3 their Garda counterparts once a month at Superintendent
4 level, every three months at Chief Superintendent level.
5 So, why should the -- why should they go to Mr. Curran from
6 an outside Garda division to lodge any complaints or
7 concerns about any member of an adjoining Garda division?
8 It's nonsensical and it doesn't bear scrutiny in any facet
9 whatsoever.
10 235 Q. Mr. Corrigan, this is your evidence, this is your
11 evidence --
12 A. I'm saying --
13 236 Q. -- up on the screen.
14 A. I am entitled to a reply or is there any point in me being
15 here if you won't listen to the reply?
16 237 Q. I would be grateful if would you deal with the point. The
17 point is, on the one hand you doubt whether Mr. Corrigan
18 [sic] went to see Eugene Crowley, or it just never
19 happened. On the other hand, you then tell the Chairman it
20 is your contention that he was sent there by the RUC; in
21 other words, he did go and have this meeting. How do you
22 reconcile the two?
23 A. I don't know, I'm not going to split hairs because I'm not
24 in a position, but all I can is, Noel Conroy didn't accept
25 that he went, and he went further to say, I'm not calling
26 him a liar, but he said -- read Mr. Conroy's statement if
27 you want clarification on that point. As I said --
28 238 Q. Now, Mr. Corrigan, your evidence, please deal with your
29 evidence.
30 A. Yes.
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1 239 Q. Now, deal with it now, please. Please assist the Chairman.
2 A. In what context?
3 240 Q. How can you -- you clearly accept that Tom Curran went at
4 the behest of the RUC to talk to Eugene Crowley?
5 A. Well, that's all, it was only an assumption on my part. I
6 have nothing --
7 241 Q. No, it was not. It is my contention that this happened?
8 A. OK, if you wish to switch "contention" for "assumption".
9 He hardly went without some instructions from them.
10 242 Q. How can the Chairman rely on your evidence if you keep on
11 altering it as you go along when you are confronted with a
12 difficulty --
13 A. I'm not altering it. It's two interpretations of varying
14 degrees of emphasis. That is all it is. Like, it's you
15 that is splitting hairs, Mr. Dillon. And I find this very,
16 very trying now in the state of health I am in, if you
17 don't mind.
18 243 Q. So, a "leak" is information and a "contention" is now an
19 assumption, is that right?
20 A. Whatever you are having yourself. I don't know.
21 244 Q. That is your evidence, isn't it?
22 A. I explained what I have to the best of my ability. If I am
23 not able to get it across to you, I am sorry for any
24 inadequacies in the English language if you don't
25 understand what I am trying to say to you.
26 245 Q. I am sorry but this -- you are very clear, you made a
27 contention, you made -- you made the point, you accepted
28 that Tom Curran had a conversation with Eugene Crowley?
29 A. No, I didn't.
30 246 Q. Yes, you did?
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1 A. Go back. I am sorry, I did not accept. How would I
2 accept.
3 247 Q. "It is my contention they instructed Tom Curran to go and
4 voice his concern to meet with Mr. Crowley"?
5 A. But that doesn't say a discussion. There is a grave doubt
6 that Mr. Crowley met him at all.
7
8 CHAIRMAN: Superintendent Curran in his evidence described
9 going to see Assistant Commissioner Crowley.
10 A. Yes.
11
12 CHAIRMAN: He described the conversation he had with him,
13 and it's very clear that he talked to him.
14 A. Well, Noel Conroy doesn't accept that he did. Noel Conroy
15 was present that day.
16
17 CHAIRMAN: He wasn't present. How can he say that --
18 A. Well, Mr. Curran turned around and he told -- what did he
19 tell? He told the RUC, he was asked by the RUC, "What did
20 the Commissioner say?" He gave two varying accounts of
21 what happened.
22
23 CHAIRMAN: And so, you don't believe Mr. Curran's account?
24 A. I am not in -- how could I -- I couldn't say what
25 Mr. Curran -- what I find baffling is that any anxieties
26 that the RUC would have, they have all the strands in the
27 world by way of transferring them. They are meeting the
28 gardaí. It's the -- there is a Border Superintendent
29 specifically selected for that task, to meet the RUC.
30
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1 CHAIRMAN: Superintendent Curran was a Border
2 Superintendent.
3 A. Yes, yes.
4
5 CHAIRMAN: And his opposite number in the North was RUC
6 Superintendent Buchanan.
7 A. I don't know. What I'm saying to you is, that was assuming
8 that's an operation, and any concern they would have, they
9 would meet them and say we have concerns about this man and
10 whatnot.
11
12 CHAIRMAN: Which is what happened. I mean --
13 A. No, no, he didn't go to the Border Superintendent or Chief
14 Superintendent in Louth/Meath, which was the --
15
16 CHAIRMAN: No, he didn't, he spoke to the, as it happened,
17 to the Border Superintendent in County Monaghan, who was
18 Superintendent Curran.
19 A. Yeah, but, sure, he didn't work within the franchise of his
20 own force. It was the Chief Superintendent in Louth/Meath
21 was the man he should be going to. It's not for me to -- I
22 am only pointing out the machinery of the working
23 relationship within the Garda function.
24
25 CHAIRMAN: Yes. Well, anyway, for whatever reason he did
26 say to Superintendent Curran that the RUC were unhappy
27 about you and asked Superintendent Curran to convey that to
28 the Head of Crime and Security.
29 A. Oh, yes, but sure the RUC were unhappy about me, sure you
30 have only heard what they came up and said here or said
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1 behind different covers that they had, anonymous names and
2 whatnot. Sure, of course the RUC were unhappy with me.
3 That's no strange facet test to be made acquainted of at
4 this stage of proceedings.
5
6 CHAIRMAN: Yes.
7 A. What I am saying to you is, the machinery or the procedures
8 were very strange. I am not in a position on my level.
9
10 CHAIRMAN: Of course not, but you are -- you are throwing
11 doubt on whether Superintendent Curran did, in fact, go to
12 Dublin and speak to Assistant Commissioner Crowley about --
13 A. Well, if the relevant information is checked back, from my
14 recollection of what he said to the RUC and what he said
15 otherwise, were two different variations. I just can't
16 recall at the moment because my memory is not...
17
18 CHAIRMAN: Sorry for interrupting.
19
20 MR. DILLON: That is fine, Chairman.
21
22 Now, Chairman, I am conscious of the time. There are two
23 small matters I can deal with now and then there are two
24 more substantial matters, it may take a bit of time.
25 248 Q. Mr. Corrigan, how do you feel about continuing now or do
26 you want to stop now?
27 A. I would be finishing at 1 o'clock.
28
29 CHAIRMAN: Would it suit you to get it dealt with today?
30 A. No, no, I'm finishing now and that's it. I'm just...
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2 MR. DILLON: Well, we can finish at one o'clock, but there
3 are two other matters, then, which will have to be dealt
4 with tomorrow.
5
6 CHAIRMAN: Very well.
7
8 A. I am under strict instructions from medical advisors. This
9 is very stressful, as I have said.
10 249 Q. MR. DILLON: We don't want to cause any difficulty in that
11 regard, but it does mean that we will have to resume
12 tomorrow at 11:00. It shouldn't take more than an hour
13 tomorrow to conclude Mr. Corrigan's evidence.
14
15 CHAIRMAN: Very good. We can do that. So, if you continue
16 with your...
17
18 250 Q. MR. DILLON: I can deal now with two very short matters
19 that will take us up to one o'clock. Something you dealt
20 with with Mr. O'Callaghan, and that is the ordeal you
21 suffered when you were kidnapped and beaten up by the IRA?
22 A. Yes.
23 251 Q. And undoubtedly you received an appalling beating from the
24 IRA?
25 A. That's right.
26 252 Q. I think you ended up in hospital with serious injuries,
27 isn't that right?
28 A. Yes, yes.
29 253 Q. And you were visited by -- I think two colleagues visited
30 you, isn't that right?
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1 A. That's right.
2 254 Q. And you spoke to them and they made notes of the
3 conversation?
4 A. That's right.
5 255 Q. And I think that is the height of what the authorities know
6 about the incident?
7 A. Yeah, we've had all this before, Mr. Dillon, you know.
8 256 Q. I am coming back to a point that needs to be put to you,
9 and it is your - again the Chairman simply wants
10 clarification on this - it is your account that you were
11 kidnapped because the IRA believed that you might have
12 information that you could give them relating to officers
13 in Dundalk Station, isn't that right?
14 A. Yes.
15 257 Q. Now, you know that Superintendent -- sorry, this is number
16 5, the loose leaf -- again, if you just assist the Chairman
17 on this -- that Superintendent Finnegan's assessment was,
18 from what he had heard, that the real reason that you were
19 kidnapped was due to a commercial dealing that failed, do
20 you remember that?
21 A. Yeah.
22 258 Q. Now --
23 A. What he had heard now?
24 259 Q. I beg your pardon?
25 A. What he had heard. In other words, gossip.
26 260 Q. Exactly, yes.
27 A. Once we are agreed on that.
28 261 Q. Yes. And he said that he was standing over it?
29 A. Yeah.
30 262 Q. OK. Now, if I am not mistaken, you described what you
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1 learned about certain events after the murders of the two
2 RUC officers, you described it this morning as gossip that
3 you had heard?
4 A. Yes.
5 263 Q. So, you are entitled to rely on gossip but the
6 Superintendent is not entitled to rely on gossip, isn't
7 that right?
8 A. No, I am not relying on gossip, I only mentioned it by way
9 of assistance to the Tribunal.
10 264 Q. So, if Superintendent Finnegan comes along with what he has
11 picked up, and he accepts that it's gossip, there is no
12 doubt about that, but you say the Chairman shouldn't rely
13 on that, is that right.
14 A. I wouldn't dare to be in a position to advise what the
15 Chairman should or should not do.
16
17 CHAIRMAN: But you are one person who can, was able to tell
18 the guards exactly what happened to you, and so you would
19 be in a position to supplant gossip with hard information.
20 A. Yeah.
21
22 CHAIRMAN: Because the kidnapping occurred when you were
23 kidnapped.
24 A. Yes.
25
26 CHAIRMAN: Were you sit up for that kidnap?
27 A. Yes.
28
29 CHAIRMAN: By whom?
30 A. By a man called Tiernan.
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2 CHAIRMAN: Yes. He was the man you were meeting in the
3 hotel?
4 A. Yes.
5
6 CHAIRMAN: And he asked you to meet him there so his
7 friends in the IRA could kidnap you both?
8 A. Yes.
9
10 CHAIRMAN: And that was how it came about?
11 A. That's right.
12
13 CHAIRMAN: And did he ever excuse himself to you afterwards
14 or explain why he did it?
15 A. No, I never heard a word from him since.
16
17 265 Q. MR. DILLON: I think the last matter we will deal with
18 today is this: Again, it's a matter we have gone over, but
19 there is an aspect which has arisen, and it's this: You
20 described dealing with an RUC officer who has the code name
21 X. Now, Mr. X was the man who processed information
22 received by two RUC handlers from McAnulty. Do you
23 remember him?
24 A. Who?
25 266 Q. He was a man who received the information from the two
26 handlers who got information from McAnulty alleging that
27 you were assisting the IRA. This is 1985.
28 A. No, who was the --
29 267 Q. Do you remember this now?
30 A. No, I don't understand you.
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1 268 Q. I will put it back in context. In 1985 it was alleged that
2 you were providing assistance to the "boys". It's an
3 allegation. This was received by two handlers of John
4 McAnulty, and they passed this up the line to Officer X,
5 who then processed it for transmission to Headquarters in
6 Belfast?
7 A. Yes.
8 269 Q. Now, Officer X was somebody who was known to you, he
9 visited you in Dundalk Station?
10 A. I don't know --
11 270 Q. Please listen to me. This may now come back to you. You
12 were bringing him down the stairs when you spotted a
13 prominent member of the IRA or a member of the IRA in the
14 hallway, and you bundled him back up the stairs for his
15 protection. Do you remember that now?
16 A. I remember -- I don't remember the identity of that man
17 now.
18 271 Q. I'm sorry, but we are rather stuck here. We need to use
19 the -- I will have the identity for you tomorrow. I think
20 we will just leave it at that. If Mr. Corrigan can't
21 remember the identity, it's not fair of me to pursue the
22 point. I think it's better if we leave that to tomorrow,
23 if that is all right with you, Chairman? And it's just
24 because of the move again, I don't think we have the cipher
25 list for the RUC officers, which causes a difficulty.
26
27 CHAIRMAN: Yes. And are you proposing the name be written
28 down and given to the witness?
29
30 MR. DILLON: Unless has Mr. Mills got the cipher list?
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2 MR. MILLS: Yes.
3
4 MR. DILLON: We may be able to finish this point today. My
5 apologies. Sorry, we don't have it.
6 272 Q. So, I am sorry about this, Mr. Corrigan. As you know, we
7 are moving premises and we don't have instant access to all
8 our documents, but we will deal with this tomorrow. It's a
9 short point, but it won't detain you very long. So, in
10 those circumstances, Chairman, may I suggest we suspend the
11 re-examination of Mr. Corrigan until 11 o'clock tomorrow.
12 Now, I think Mr. Valentine may have one or two matters for
13 you at 2 o'clock this afternoon, I will leave that to him.
14
15 MR. VALENTINE: We might just say 2:15, Chairman.
16
17 CHAIRMAN: 2:15, Mr. Valentine. Does that suit everybody?
18 So, 2:15.
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1 THE TRIBUNAL CONTINUED AFTER LUNCH AS FOLLOWS:
2
3 MR. VALENTINE: Now, Chairman.
4
5 CHAIRMAN: Is Mr. O'Callaghan here? Has anyone seen him?
6
7 MR. LAWLOR: Sorry, Mr. O'Callaghan is not here at the
8 moment. I will give him a call and see if he is --
9
10 CHAIRMAN: Well, no, there is something I wanted to mention
11 to him and I can do it whenever he arrives in court, at his
12 convenience or later this afternoon, if he wishes.
13
14 MR. VALENTINE: Very good. There is just a few, Chairman,
15 as I said yesterday, miscellaneous matters that we want to
16 attend to today. I will be able to attend to three matters
17 today. The first of those is a report or a statement
18 which -- there has been reference to a report that Bob
19 Buchanan prepared in relation to the murders of Lord
20 Justice and Lady Gibson, and the PSNI have furnished us
21 with what is actually more in the form of a statement from
22 Bob Buchanan, but I intend to read that, together with the
23 enclosure, into the record.
24
25 And then the Tribunal legal team viewed certain contextual
26 documents at Garda Headquarters. They are the documents
27 which emanate both from Garda Headquarters and from Dundalk
28 Garda Station, and they were linked to the -- it is just a
29 matter to clarify certain things about the dates upon which
30 the travel arrangements of the Gibsons were communicated to
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1 the international liaison office in Dublin. So, I think,
2 for the record, I am just going to read all of that --
3
4 CHAIRMAN: If they are being read into the record, I am
5 sure you wish to remain seated when doing that.
6
7 MR. VALENTINE: Thank you very much, Chairman. I have a
8 copy for yourself, Chairman, and a copy for the overhead.
9 They were already provided to Mr. Mills.
10
11 CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much.
12
13 MR. VALENTINE: The first document, Chairman, is the
14 statement of R.J. Buchanan, that is Superintendent Bob
15 Buchanan.
16
17 CHAIRMAN: Yes.
18
19 MR. VALENTINE: And it is dated the 25th of April, 1987. I
20 am not going to read the averment; I am just going to read
21 the body of the statement, which begins, below that,
22 Mr. Mills, with the words "I am Border Superintendent".
23 And so it reads:
24
25 "I am Border Superintendent, 'H' Division. Following the
26 explosion which caused the death of Justice and Mrs. Gibson
27 at Killeen on the 25th of April, 1987, I accompanied
28 Witness 47" -- and that is redacted by the Tribunal and the
29 witness number put in -- "to Dundalk Garda Station where we
30 met Chief Superintendent Bohan, Divisional Officer,
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1 Louth/Meath Garda, and Superintendent Brian McCabe,
2 District Officer, Dundalk. The Garda officers related the
3 sequence of events relative to the supply and dissemination
4 of the information regarding the movements of Justice
5 Gibson. The information would have been received at Garda
6 Headquarters on the 13th of April, 1987, and then passed by
7 secure telephone to Drogheda divisional headquarters and
8 then by the same means to Dundalk. At Dundalk, the message
9 was typed out (see photocopy of paragraph 2 of the message)
10 and signed by Superintendent McCabe, addressed to Sergeant
11 Dundalk and Dromad and marked 'confidential'. This message
12 was dated the 15th of April, 1987. It was further learned
13 that the Garda escort of the Justice and his wife was
14 carried out by" -- and, in fact, we are going to see a
15 Garda report which names these two officers, and the guards
16 have indicated they have no problem with that; it is Mostyn
17 and Shovlin -- "Special Detective Unit, Harcourt Square,
18 Dublin. They used a blue Toyota Carina [reg number
19 redacted]. Please see written statements from both
20 officers attached. It is noted that there are
21 discrepancies in the registration numbers circulated by the
22 Garda of Dundalk, IXI 2541. The telex message to the
23 Metropolitan Police on the 10th of April, 1987, give IXI
24 254, and it was noted by the Garda escort as XIJ 254. It
25 would appear that the latter number is correct."
26
27 And then the first enclosure with that, Chairman, is the
28 paragraph from the message typed out by Superintendent
29 McCabe. And that just, that is paragraph 2 of that
30 message. It says:
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1
2 "On Saturday the 25th instant, Judge Maurice Gibson will
3 arrive in Dublin at 7 a.m. off the Liverpool ferry. He
4 will travel direct to Northern Ireland and is expected to
5 cross the border at Killeen between," I think it is,
6 "8 a.m. and 9 a.m., travelling in his Ford Escort." And
7 there is a reg number there. "SDU" -- that is the Special
8 Detective Unit -- "are providing the escort. They will
9 travel in a green Granada. Passing attention to be paid on
10 each occasion."
11
12 And, in fact, we will see the full message, which wasn't
13 attached to Superintendent Buchanan's statement but which
14 is from the Garda papers, and that's the full message that
15 was typed out by Superintendent Brian McCabe in Dundalk.
16 As you will see in the top right-hand corner, it is dated
17 the 15th of April, 1987. And the first paragraph deals
18 with another Northern Ireland judge and then the second
19 paragraph is the paragraph that was extracted and annexed
20 to Superintendent Buchanan's statement. And it is signed
21 in hand by B. McCabe, Superintendent B. McCabe. And you
22 will note, Chairman, in the top left-hand corner, that it
23 is addressed to the Sergeant in IC, which we take to mean
24 in charge, Dundalk, Dromad, and to the detective -- or to
25 the D/Sergeant, which we take to mean Detective Sergeant,
26 but no -- it doesn't identify the names of those people.
27
28 The next document, then, Chairman, is a report from An
29 Garda Síochána to the Secretary of the Department of
30 Justice, dated the 26th of April of 1987. It is entitled
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1 "Murder of Lord Chief Justice Maurice Gibson and his wife,
2 Mrs. Cecily Gibson, on Saturday, the 25th of April, 1987,
3 at Killeen, County Armagh:
4
5 "At 2:55 p.m. on Thursday the 9th of April, 1987, a
6 scrambler telephone call was received at the International
7 Liaison Office, 'D' Branch, Garda Headquarters, from the
8 Protection Division of the Royal Ulster Constabulary
9 Headquarters, Belfast. The caller stated that Judge
10 Maurice Gibson would be travelling by car ferry from
11 Liverpool to Dublin on the morning of Saturday April the
12 25th, 1987; that Judge Gibson would have on board his own
13 car and that he would be driving home to Northern Ireland
14 after arrival in Dublin. Following receipt of this
15 information, it was decided that an armed Garda escort
16 should be provided for the Judge. The RUC Protection
17 Division was so informed. Accordingly, on direction from
18 this branch, a two-man armed escort was assigned from the
19 Special Detective Unit, Harcourt Square, to meet Judge
20 Gibson at 7 a.m. on the 25/4/'87 at the B&I terminal, North
21 Wall, and thereafter escort him to the border. Detective
22 Gardai Mostyn and Shovlin of the Special Task Force
23 attended at the B&I terminal on the arrival of the
24 Liverpool ferry on the 25/4/1987. Detective Garda Mostyn
25 went on board the ferry and spoke to Judge Gibson. The
26 Judge, who was accompanied by his wife, confirmed that he
27 intended travelling direct to the border. By arrangement,
28 the Garda escort proceeded to Judge Gibson's car, which was
29 being driven by his wife through the city as far as the
30 dual-carriageway at Santry. At this point, the escort car
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1 allowed the Judge's car to overtake and assume the lead
2 position."
3
4 And it continues on the second page:
5
6 "The journey proceeded without incident to the Irish
7 Customs Post at Carrickarnon, County Louth. The
8 Louth/Meath Garda Division had already been appraised of
9 the Judge's itinerary, and the escorting members observed
10 radio silence as there was no departure from the
11 prearranged schedule. At Carrickarnon, the Judge stopped,
12 spoke to the escorting members and thanked them for their
13 attention. The escorting members told him they would
14 continue the escort to the border. On reaching the actual
15 border, the Judge waved farewell to the escorting members,
16 who then turned back towards the Customs Post and Dromad.
17 As they approached the Customs Post, they heard an
18 explosion from a direction north of the border. The
19 members immediately returned to the border, from which
20 point they could see a cloud of smoke arising from a point
21 estimated to be half a mile inside Northern Ireland. The
22 members drove to Dromad Garda Station, where they reported
23 the incident, and remained in the area to assist in the
24 subsequent Garda/RUC operations. Information from the RUC
25 indicates that there had been a bomb attack on the Judge's
26 vehicle at Killeen, County Armagh, in which he and
27 Mrs. Gibson suffered fatal injuries. The bomb attack was
28 in the form of a vehicle parked on the roadway which was
29 detonated, believed by remote-control, as the Judge's car
30 drove alongside. Other vehicles in the immediate vicinity
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1 were involved and a total of 11 persons were injured. The
2 origin of the detonated vehicle is unknown at this time.
3 The Provisional IRA have claimed responsibility. The
4 timing and precision of the bomb attack would suggest that
5 the attackers had accurate foreknowledge of the Judge's
6 itinerary. It may be of interest to note that the gardaí
7 were told only of the Judge's time of arrival in Dublin and
8 no information was received as to the Judge's outward
9 journey or destination. It is now known that Judge Gibson
10 and his wife travelled from Larne to Liverpool on the 14th
11 of April, 1987, to commence a holiday in the south of
12 England. RUC sources confirm that this holiday was booked
13 through a Belfast travel agency as far back as the 29th of
14 September, 1986. The booking was confirmed on the
15 21/1/'87. Records show that the booking was made in the
16 name of Sir M and Lady Gibson, with registration details of
17 his car. Since the outward and return journeys were by two
18 different services, the identity of the travellers and
19 their vehicle would have become known to a number of
20 employees of each service."
21
22 It continues on the third page:
23
24 "Travelling as VIPs in their true identities did allow the
25 Judge and his wife certain privileges in that they were
26 assigned car space number 1 on the outward ferry and
27 allowed to drive off in the first 20 vehicles on arriving
28 in Dublin. The indiscretion of a high-risk public figure
29 advertising his movements and whereabouts in the manner
30 aforementioned is difficult to understand and may well
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1 emerge as a significant factor in this case. It contrasts
2 greatly with the anonymity and secrecy with which An Garda
3 Siochana have sought to provide for Judge Gibson on his
4 past visits and holidays within this jurisdiction. Given
5 the number of people who must have been aware of his
6 intended movements over such a lengthy period, some public
7 speculation as to the source of intelligence leaks would
8 appear to be unduly selective. All possible assistance is
9 being afforded to the RUC in the investigation of this
10 outrage."
11
12 And it is signed Chief Superintendent Shelley, I think --
13 Kelly, J. Kelly, and for the Assistant Commissioner, and
14 dated the 26th of April, 1987.
15
16 And the next page is a handwritten note which is with that
17 report, which appears to be the note taken in the
18 International Liaison Office when information about Judge
19 Gibson's movements and arrival in Dublin was first
20 received.
21
22 It says:
23
24 "D/I W service RUC, 25/4/'87, Judge Maurice Gibson coming
25 from Liverpool to Dublin ferry. ETA: 7 a.m.
26 Blue Escort, reg number IXI 254, driving home afterwards.
27 To SDU" -- that is Special Detective Unit -- "and Drogheda.
28 SDU escort car SSI-991 - green Granada."
29
30 Just, it is worth pointing out, Chairman, just if I pause
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1 there for a second, that the report indicates that the
2 information was first received in the ILO in Dublin
3 Headquarters at 2:55 p.m. on Thursday the 9th of April,
4 which is, in fact, earlier than was stated by
5 Superintendent Buchanan in his statement, when he stated
6 that the information would have been received at Garda
7 Headquarters on the 13th of April, 1987. The Garda report
8 centre of Department of Justice doesn't specify the date in
9 which Superintendent McCabe in Dundalk became aware of the
10 movements of Lord Justice and Lady Gibson, but obviously
11 his message is dated the 15th of April, as is stated by
12 Superintendent Buchanan in his statement.
13
14 The remaining documents, then, are the statements of four
15 Garda officers: the two officers who performed the escort
16 and two officers in the Louth/Meath Division.
17
18 The first is the statement of Garda Shovlin, and again I am
19 going to just move directly to the operative part of the
20 statement. It is dated the 25th of April, 1987. It states
21 as follows:
22
23 "I am a member of the Garda Síochána attached to the
24 Special Detective Unit, Harcourt Square, Co. Dublin. On
25 the 25/4/'87 at 6:30 a.m., I took up duty at Harcourt
26 Square, Dublin. I was accompanied by Detective Garda" --
27 and that is Mostyn. "I was driving a motor car, an
28 unmarked blue Toyota Carina 2. I drove to the North Wall
29 car ferry terminal, where we were to meet Judge Gibson and
30 his wife, who were due to debark at 7 a.m.. As I drove
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1 down the North Wall, I saw a maroon and black English-type
2 taxi [reg number redacted] which is registered to
3 [redacted]. I did not know the driver of the taxi, but it
4 was not [redacted] and there was a passenger in the taxi
5 who I did not recognise. The passenger was dropped at the
6 passenger terminal and I did not see him again. Detective
7 Garda Mostyn boarded the ferry to meet Mrs. Gibson and
8 Judge Gibson. I waited in the patrol car. At about
9 7:10 a.m., Detective Garda Mostyn returned to the patrol
10 car and pointed out Judge Gibson and his wife to me. They
11 were travelling in a blue Ford Escort, reg number XIJ 254,
12 which was being driven by Mrs. Gibson. Mrs. Gibson was not
13 familiar with the route, so I led the way. I drove along
14 the North Wall and across the street to Poplar Row. I then
15 drove along Clonliffe Road and turned right to Drumcondra
16 Road. I drove straight out the main Dublin-Belfast Road,
17 and, when I got to the dual carriageway, I pulled over and
18 let Mrs. Gibson drive on in front. While driving along
19 behind Mrs. Gibson, I noticed a Mini Metro behind us.
20 There were three ladies in it and it passed us out into
21 Drogheda. We later passed it out coming into Dundalk and I
22 noticed it turning off on the by-pass road. We drove
23 through the town of Dundalk and when we emerged onto the
24 main road, I noticed the Mini about four cars back from us
25 again. We then drove to the Customs Post in Dromad where
26 Mrs. Gibson stopped behind a red coach. Judge Gibson got
27 out of the car and came back to us. Detective Garda Mostyn
28 got out of his patrol car and Judge Gibson thanked us for
29 our cooperation. Detective Garda Mostyn thanked him and
30 told Judge Gibson that we would follow him to the
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1 crossing-point. Judge Gibson returned to his car and
2 Detective Garda Mostyn then got back into the patrol car.
3 Mrs. Gibson then drove on and we followed her up to the
4 crossing-point when I turned the car. The Mini with the
5 three ladies in it then crossed the border and they were
6 directly behind Judge Gibson's car. I drove back towards
7 Dundalk, but just as we reached the Customs Post, I heard
8 an explosion. I turned the patrol car around and went back
9 to the crossing-point, where I could only see a cloud of
10 smoke a short distance into Northern Ireland. I drove
11 straight back to Dromad Garda Station, where Detective
12 Garda Mostyn reported what had happened."
13
14 And it is signed by the garda.
15
16 The next statement is the statement of Detective Garda
17 Mostyn. It is also dated the 25th of April, 1987. And I
18 will just move directly to the operative paragraph:
19
20 "I am a member of the Security Task Force attached to
21 Harcourt Square, Dublin. At 6:30 a.m. on the 25th of
22 April, 1987, I took up duty, accompanied by Detective Garda
23 Shovlin. We drove to the car ferry at the North Wall. At
24 the security check at the North Wall, I observed a maroon
25 and black taxi cab. The vehicle is registered to
26 [redacted]. The car was driven by a male unknown to me and
27 there was a passenger in the rear seat. The passenger was
28 dropped at the arrivals area and the taxi was driven away.
29 On board the car ferry, I introduced myself to Judge Gibson
30 and his wife. Judge Gibson told me that they were driving
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1 straight to the border and we were expected to be there
2 between 8:30 a.m. and 9 a.m.. He also asked me to lead the
3 way through Dublin City because his wife, who would be
4 driving, did not know the way. We led the way across the
5 North Wall, Amiens Street, and onto the Poplar Row. At the
6 top of Clonliffe Road, we turned right onto Drumcondra
7 Road. On the main Dublin-Belfast Road we allowed
8 Mrs. Gibson to pass us. When we were outside Drogheda, a
9 Mini Metro with three female occupants passed us out. We
10 later passed this same car outside Dundalk. We then drove
11 to the Customs Post at Dromad. Mrs. Gibson stopped her car
12 and Judge Gibson got out and came back to us. I got out
13 and spoke to him. He shook my hand and thanked us for our
14 help. I told him that we would accompany him all the way
15 to the border and I observed Judge Gibson and his wife
16 drive across in their blue Escort, reg number XIJ 254. We
17 turned our car and, as we did, I observed the same Mini
18 Metro with the three lady occupants that I had seen earlier
19 and they crossed the border. We drove back to Dromad
20 Customs Post and I heard a loud bang. I looked behind and
21 saw a lot of smoke. We immediately turned our car and
22 drove back to the border. We could see smoke coming from a
23 point about half a mile inside the border. We again turned
24 our car and drove to Dromad Garda Station, where I met
25 Sergeant" -- that is redacted -- "and reported what
26 happened. This statement has been read over to me and is
27 correct."
28
29 And that is signed.
30
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1 And then there are two statements from members of the local
2 gardaí. The first is a Statement of Evidence of Detective
3 Guard E. Sheridan, made at Dundalk Garda Station on the
4 27th of April, 1987:
5
6 "I am a member of An Garda Síochána stationed at Dundalk,
7 County Louth. On Saturday, the 25th of April, 1987, I was
8 detailed to work from 6 a.m. until 2 p.m. and I reported
9 for duty at 6 a.m. and signed on in the book provided.
10 Detective Garda Martin Flanagan also reported at the same
11 time. Detective Garda Flanagan went to Blackrock to
12 collect two members who were on duty there. I dealt with
13 some correspondence until 7 a.m.. At approximately 7 a.m.,
14 accompanied by Detective Garda Flanagan, I left on duty to
15 patrol the town and the Newry Road. I was aware that a VIP
16 would be crossing the border at Killeen sometime between
17 8 a.m. and 9 a.m.. I was driving an official car, Toyota
18 Carina car, reg number 87D2586. Our brief was to give
19 passing attention to this escort. I drove out the Newry
20 Road about 7:30 a.m.. We went by Dromad Garda Station and
21 continued on to the Customs Post at Carrickarnon. We
22 turned about there and went left up into Edentubber. We
23 travelled up this road to near King's Shed. I stopped the
24 car and we both got out to observe the border crossing. I
25 could see clearly the main Dundalk-Newry Road from the
26 Customs Post in the South down to the border and some
27 distance into the North. Traffic was light. There was a
28 number of large lorries parked at the Customs Post at
29 Carrickarnon awaiting clearance. This is normal on a
30 Saturday morning. I did not see any parked vehicle or
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1 persons on this stretch of roadway. We returned to Dundalk
2 again via the main road. It was approximately 8:10 a.m.
3 when we arrived back in Dundalk. All this time, we kept a
4 lookout for a blue Ford Escort, reg number IXI 2541, and a
5 green Granada, SSI 911. I drove up Earl Street into Park
6 Street and back to the square via the Demesne. At
7 Clanbrassil Street, I spoke to a member of the public" --
8 whose name has been redacted -- "who was opening his shop,
9 regarding a break-in during the night. Detective Garda
10 Flanagan brought to my attention a blue Carina car with a
11 Dublin registration travelling north down Clanbrassil
12 Street. This vehicle was following a blue Escort with a
13 northern registration. I did not get time to make a note
14 of the registration number. As we were on the lookout for
15 a green Granada registered number, SSI 911, we presumed
16 that this was the escort and a different vehicle was being
17 used. We were satisfied that this was the SDU vehicle. We
18 drove out the main Dundalk-Newry Road, staying some
19 distance behind as not to attract attention. I drove out
20 as far as the Waterworks and turned right into Ravensdale.
21 I travelled on to Greenore Port, where a large number of
22 containers of meat were being stored awaiting shipment. At
23 the port, I spoke to" -- again, a member of the public
24 whose name has been redacted.
25 "We were satisfied that all was in order at the port. I
26 later became aware of an explosion at Killeen, north of the
27 border. We returned to Dundalk via Carlingford village.
28 We were on the lookout for suspicious activities, with
29 negative results. After breakfast, I travelled to Dromad
30 Garda Station, accompanied by Detective Garda Flanagan,
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1 where we joined Detective Sergeant Gethins."
2
3 And then it is: "I, E. Sheridan, hereby declare that this
4 statement is true to the best of my knowledge and belief,
5 and that I have made this statement knowing that if it is
6 tendered in evidence, I will be liable to prosecution if I
7 have stated anything in it which I know to be false or did
8 not believe to be true.
9 Signed: E. Sheridan."
10 And dated the 27th of April.
11
12 The final statement, then, Chairman, is the statement of
13 Detective Garda Martin Flanagan, and that is also made at
14 Dundalk on the 27th of April, 1987:
15
16 "I am a member of An Garda Síochána stationed at Dundalk.
17 On Saturday last, the 25th of April, 1987, I reported for
18 work at 6 a.m. as detailed. I signed on at 6 a.m., as did
19 Detective Garda Edmund Sheridan. I went out to the
20 Protection Post in Blackrock to convey Detective Garda
21 McArdle and Garda William Kinlough back to Dundalk Garda
22 Station. I arrived back at 6:30 a.m.. I dealt with some
23 correspondence until 7 a.m.. At 7 a.m., accompanied by
24 Detective Garda Sheridan, I left the station to patrol the
25 town and Newry Road. I was aware that a VIP would be
26 passing through Dundalk and going north sometime between
27 8 a.m. and 9 a.m.. Our brief was to give passing attention
28 to this escort. We were travelling in a silver-coloured
29 Toyota Carina, registration number 87D2586. Garda Sheridan
30 was driving, I was observer. We patrolled out the Newry
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1 Road. At approximately 7:30 a.m., we went out by Dromad
2 Garda Station and continued on towards the Customs Post at
3 Carrickarnon. We turned about there and we went back to
4 the Edentubber junction. We turned left there and
5 continued on towards King's Shed. We stopped there and got
6 out of the car. We could see the main Newry-Dundalk road
7 from the Custom Post up to the new filling station, which
8 is about 300 yards into the North. Traffic was light. I
9 did not see any parked vehicles in this stretch of the
10 roadway. There were a number of lorries parked in the
11 Customs compound, as is normal. Everything appeared
12 normal. We got back into the patrol car and we went
13 towards the main Newry Road. We turned back towards
14 Dundalk. We patrolled the main road back into Dundalk.
15 Again, everything appeared normal. We arrived back in town
16 at approximately 8:10 a.m.. We were on the alert for a
17 blue" -- there seems to be a missing line -- "blue car that
18 the VIP was travelling in and the escort car and VIP the
19 travelling in/.... and escort car SSI 911 a green Granada.
20 We drove up Earl Street, into Park Street, around by the
21 Demesne, back into Clanbrassil Street. Detective Garda
22 Sheridan spoke with" -- a redacted member of the public --
23 "who was opening his shop. I saw a blue Carina, Dublin
24 registration, pass by. It was travelling northwards. I
25 alerted Detective Garda Sheridan. I recognised one of the
26 occupants as Detective Garda Mostyn, who is attached to the
27 SDU. This vehicle was following a blue Escort. We were
28 satisfied that this blue Carina was an SDU car. We then
29 patrolled out the main Dundalk-Newry Road. We kept out of
30 sight of the Escort so as not to attract any unnecessary
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1 attention. We continued on towards the Waterworks. There,
2 we turned right and headed for Greenore Port, where we
3 spoke to" -- a member of the public whose name has been
4 redacted. "Our brief was to patrol the port and vicinity
5 as there was a large consignment of meat there waiting to
6 be shipped out. All was in order. While at Greenore, we
7 became aware of an explosion at Killeen just north of the
8 border. We returned towards Dundalk via Carlingford. We
9 were on the look-out for suspicious activity, with negative
10 results. We arrived back in Dundalk at 9:30 a.m.. We then
11 availed of our meal break. After the meal break, we went
12 to Dromad Garda Station where we met Detective Sergeant
13 Gethins."
14 And then the averment as to the truth of the statement.
15
16 It is signed "Marty Flanagan," and dated the 27th of April,
17 1987.
18
19 And that concludes that bundle of documents, which, as I
20 said, emanated originally from the fact that Superintendent
21 Buchanan had done a statement in relation to the
22 communication of the travel arrangements of Lord Justice
23 Gibson and his wife.
24
25 The next document, Chairman, is, it is the transcript of
26 evidence given by David McConville of the PSNI on Day 108,
27 which is the 3rd of July (sic), 2012.
28
29 MR. DILLON: Chairman, this is being read into the record
30 at the request of Mr. O'Callaghan, who is now here.
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1
2 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Sorry, sir, I hope this isn't of huge
3 inconvenience to the Tribunal or Mr. Valentine. I suppose
4 the only reason I wanted it out -- or Mr. Dillon as well --
5 is because, I suppose, it does provide a context as to the
6 C6 designation.
7
8 CHAIRMAN: Oh, that is perfectly reasonable, of course.
9 Thank you very much.
10
11 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Thank you, Chairman. I am sorry I wasn't
12 here earlier.
13
14 CHAIRMAN: That's fine.
15
16 MR. VALENTINE: Just to clarify, Chairman, this is the
17 evidence that was given on the 3rd -- sorry, on Tuesday the
18 7th of June (sic). That is Day 108, in private session.
19 And subsequently -- you initially made a preliminary -- you
20 re-read it and made some, I suppose, proposed redactions,
21 which you invited me to read onto the record on Day 116,
22 which is the 24th of July, 2012. Thereafter, there was an
23 exchange of submissions in relation to those redactions.
24 Effectively, that issue became moot when Assistant
25 Commissioner Drew Harris indicated in his evidence that he
26 was prepared to waive the objection to the disclosure of
27 the grading itself, which is, as we all know, C6. That's
28 the only grading that has been received. There are still a
29 very small number of redactions here, but the principal
30 issue, which was the grading C6, has been removed. As I
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1 say, I think it is correct that we put it in its proper
2 context by reading the exchange again in full. It is not a
3 terribly long piece of evidence.
4
5 CHAIRMAN: Of course.
6
7 MR. VALENTINE: I will read my own, my part, and Mr. Dillon
8 will read the part of David McConville.
9
10 "Question: Now, Mr. McConville, I believe that you have
11 with you a copy of the SB50 with that box part 1 and
12 comment by originator unredacted. I think that the only
13 copy that is in the building is the one that you have in
14 your hand, is that correct?
15 Answer: That is correct.
16 Question: And you are happy to hand that to Mr. Mills and
17 for it to go on the overhead?
18 Answer: Yes.
19 Question: If we can focus in on that unredacted box.
20 Mr. McConville, I think that says 'Part 1 Assessment', and
21 then it's ringed as appropriate, and 'C' is ringed amongst
22 the letters and '6' is ringed amongst the numbers?
23 Answer: Yes.
24 Question: And then it states" -- and there is a portion
25 that is still redacted -- "and then across from that is
26 typed 'Associated PIRA/INLA members'?
27 Answer: Yes.
28 Question: 'Degree of consciousness of source', and I am
29 not sure, does that relate, is there a space for comment
30 there which hasn't been put in, or does that relate to
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1 high, medium and low, ring as appropriate?
2 Answer: I am not certain, sure on that.
3 Question: Okay.
4 Answer: I am not certain, sure on that.
5 Question: Just in relation to the comment 'Associated
6 PIRA/INLA members', having inspected the original
7 unredacted SB50 this morning, can you confirm that that is
8 the only substantive comment that appears on the document,
9 leaving aside the text in relation to the intelligence?
10 Answer: Yes, it is, yes.
11 Question: I wonder could I just take you through C6. Your
12 understanding of the letters, to what do they relate?
13 Answer: That relates to the source and the quality of the
14 source.
15 Question: The quality of source. And what does 'C'
16 indicate to you in that regard?
17 Answer: 'C' indicates that the source is known to the
18 person, to the detective or the person receiving the
19 intelligence.
20 Question: That he is known to the detective?
21 Answer: Yes.
22 Question: Is there any other weight? I mean, for example,
23 what would a letter higher in the alphabet mean? If 'C'
24 means that he is known to the detective, what does a letter
25 earlier in the alphabet mean?
26 Answer: It is really -- you know, again, these are a long
27 time ago, it is really in terms of the quality of the
28 source, and then the originator would have indicated by the
29 letter and the number the quality of the information that
30 they received from that source, so I wouldn't like it to go
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1 too wide.
2 Question: The letter then relates to the source and the
3 number relates to what?
4 Answer: To the information that has been received.
5 Question: And what does '6' indicate to you in that
6 regard?
7 Answer: It would indicate to me that it is a secondhand
8 source, that it can't be tested because it is not known
9 personally to the source but the source has received it
10 secondhand.
11 Question: So its reliability can't be tested?
12 Answer: It can't be tested, yes.
13 Question: So it doesn't necessarily mean -- because it is
14 the highest number, it doesn't necessarily mean that they
15 think it is rubbish information or it is totally unreliable
16 information?
17 Answer: No.
18 Question: It is just that it can't be tested?
19 Answer: It is just that it can't be tested.
20 Question: And then medium is the bottom. What is your
21 understanding of that? Again, I think you are not sure
22 whether it relates to the degree of --
23 Answer: Again, I am not fully sure, but I think, in
24 general terms, that is how much weight they put on what
25 they have received.
26 Question: So are you saying that is an overall assessment?
27 Answer: Yes.
28 Question: Of this SB50, of the weight to be attached to
29 this SB50?
30 Answer: Yeah.
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1 Question: Very good. Thank you very much. If you answer
2 any questions My Friends have."
3
4 And Mr. Durack then cross-examined the witness, and
5 Mr. Durack commenced:
6
7 "Question: And I take it that if we look at the letters,
8 that the highest letter means somebody who is well-known to
9 the supplier of the information -- sorry, well-known to the
10 police officer, and who has been previously a top quality
11 source, would that be correct?
12 Answer: I mean, I am not very au fait with how things
13 would have been graded at that time, so I wouldn't like --
14 but yes, it would indicate that the strength of the
15 knowledge of -- and the contact, all those things would
16 come into that grading.
17 Question: Because I think we have already been told by the
18 officers who wrote it that, in fact, it was a casual
19 contact?
20 Answer: I can't comment on that. I don't know.
21 Question: I see. Well, anyway, being a 'C', it puts it in
22 the middle somewhere?
23 Answer: Yes.
24 Question: And then in relation to the information itself,
25 as you say, that it is, being a 6, it is the lowest grade,
26 it is uncheckable?
27 Answer: Yes?
28 Question: Unconfirmable?
29 Answer: It's not able to be tested.
30 Question: Then if we go down to the next line."
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1 And there is a redacted portion.
2 "Question: And that relates to 'Associated PIRA/INLA
3 members', isn't that right?
4 Answer: Okay.
5 Question: And then 'Degree of consciousness of source'.
6 Do I not suggest the high, medium and low that are there
7 are given as options; that the medium is the one that is
8 bracketed?
9 Answer: Yes.
10 Question: And what does the 'Consciousness of source'
11 mean?
12 Answer: Not having been in the intelligence family, it's
13 not something I would really be really au fait with in
14 terms of how the officer would have been recording that;
15 what they would have understood from that, so I wouldn't be
16 able to comment on that.
17 Question: Certainly using the word 'source', that clearly
18 relates to the person providing the information, isn't that
19 right?
20 Answer: Yes.
21 Question: Because if you read it in the context of the
22 previous reference where the word is used, so it's degree
23 of consciousness of the person providing the information?
24 Answer: Yes.
25 Question: And that is designated as medium, and you can't
26 tell us whether that relates to, the consciousness relates
27 to whether the source believes what he is told or does it
28 relate to the circumstances in which he heard it?
29 Answer: It can be any number of things, as you say;
30 whether the source believed it, whether the officer
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1 believed it in terms of whether -- so I am not really able
2 to comment on that.
3 Question: I have said it to a number of other people in
4 relation to this, that there is a big difference in terms
5 of where you get information. Clearly, if you are getting
6 information from somebody who is a senior person in a
7 terrorist organisation, that has one value?
8 Answer: Yes.
9 Question: If, however, you are overhearing something in a
10 pub, that, clearly, has a very different value?
11 Answer: Yes, I accept that.
12 Question: And I think you have said then, that in relation
13 to the use of the number '6', that even if the source had
14 been an A1 source, that it still couldn't be tested?
15 Answer: Exactly.
16 Question: Thank you very much."
17
18 Then the witness was cross-examined by Mr. O'Callaghan.
19 Mr. O'Callaghan began as follows:-
20
21 "Mr. McConville, if it got into the public domain that this
22 SB50 was categorised or was graded as C6, what potential
23 security issue would that give rise to?
24 Answer: I don't think this is really for me to comment on,
25 Mr. Chairman.
26 Question: Well, just from your experience as being in the
27 PSNI, would you agree with me that if it was known that
28 this was C6, no source has been exposed or potentially
29 undermined by that, are they?
30 Answer: Again, that is not really for me, within my remit
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1 to comment on that.
2 Question: I know it's not. I know you are here for a
3 different reason, but from my client's point of view, it is
4 obviously very important, because this is an SB50 that has
5 been relied upon by a number of individuals as suggesting
6 that my client was colluding with the IRA. So, I have to
7 suggest to you that there is no security basis upon which
8 it coming into the public domain, that this was C6, that it
9 would pose a threat to anyone. Would you not agree with
10 that, even?
11 Answer: Again, that is not within my remit to give comment
12 on that, Mr. Chairman.
13 Question: Can you identify any source that would be
14 exposed if it was publicly disclosed that this was graded
15 as C6?
16 Answer: That is not for me to comment on.
17 Question: '6' is obviously the lowest grade, isn't that
18 so?
19 Answer: '6' is a grade which indicates that it couldn't be
20 tested.
21 Question: Yes. There were three people involved in the
22 generation of this SB50. First of all, Witness X, who was
23 the submitting officer. Are you aware that he has stated
24 that he regarded the information as tittle-tattle and
25 gossip?
26 Answer: I am not aware
27 Question: You are aware, sir?
28 Answer: No, I am not aware.
29 Question: Then the other two officers that compiled the
30 SB50 gave evidence to the Chairman, and on Day 98 Witness Z
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1 said that if it was graded, and he couldn't recall, he said
2 it would be fairly unreliable. That was his answer to
3 Question 251 on Day 98. Would you agree with Witness Z,
4 that a grading of 6 makes the information fairly
5 unreliable?
6 Answer: No, I wouldn't. All that I can say is that the
7 grading of '6' would mean that it can't be tested. It
8 doesn't say whether it is good or bad, it's just it can't
9 be tested.
10 Question: What does a grading of a lower number mean,
11 Mr. McConville?
12 Answer: I'm not sure because I made -- I was sure to
13 inquire about '6', what '6' meant. It's long time ago and
14 that system, I'm not au fait with that.
15 Question: Let's look at 'C', then. By grading it as 'C',
16 what effect is being communicated by the grader?
17 Answer: That the source is known to them.
18 Question: And if it was graded as" - another hypothetical
19 grading given by Mr. O'Callaghan - "it would mean that the
20 source was known to them, what would it say about the
21 information?
22 Answer: It could be tested. You know, it's a testing
23 grading, you know, and the quality is around the testing of
24 it.
25 Question: And you are talking about, you don't know what"
26 - and another hypothetical grading is referred to - "is?
27 Answer: No, I couldn't be definite about it.
28 Question: But certainly in terms of the quality of the
29 information that is furnished, it received the lowest
30 possible grading in respect of that information, isn't that
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1 so?
2 Answer: The grading, I just said, it can't be tested, so
3 really that is as far as I can go with it.
4 Question: Well, are you not prepared to agree it got the
5 lowest possible grading in terms of the quality of the
6 information?
7 Answer: It just can't be tested.
8 Question: It's fairly obvious it got the lowest grading,
9 isn't that so?
10 Answer: It got graded 6, which means that it can't be
11 tested which doesn't necessarily mean it is true or not
12 true, it just means it can't be tested.
13 Question: Are you not prepared to accept or admit that
14 grading it as 6 gives it the lowest grading in terms of
15 what is capable on that sheet?
16 Answer: Well, you would certainly look for more.
17 Question: What is that?
18 Answer: You would certainly look for more.
19 Question: There is no 7, there is no 8, it got the lowest
20 grading on the sheet, isn't that so?
21 Answer: Yes, okay.
22 Question: In terms of the circumstances in which the
23 source of the information was obtained, the information was
24 obtained from associates of PIRA/INLA members, is that
25 correct?
26 Answer: Yes, from an associate.
27 Question: From an associate.
28 Answer: Yes.
29 Question: And are you suggesting that if that information
30 was revealed, that it would potentially expose the source?
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1 Answer: That's not for me to comment on, Mr. Chairman.
2 Mr. O'CALLAGHAN: Thank you very much, Mr. McConville."
3
4 Ms. O'Sullivan indicated that she had no questions.
5 Mr. Coffey indicated he had no questions. And then,
6 Mr. Smith, for Mr. Fulton, cross-examined Mr. McConville as
7 follows:-
8
9 "Question: I wonder, Mr. McConville, I appreciate you had
10 indicated that you were not from, to use your own term, the
11 'intelligence family', isn't that correct?
12 Answer: Yes.
13 Question: I wonder if you can perhaps comment on this, but
14 if I can just read you, it's a Witness Statement from a
15 Special Branch officer at the Rosemary Nelson Inquiry who
16 spoke about grading matters, and perhaps if I just read
17 this into the record and you can indicate whether it
18 accords with your evidence today, whether you are able to
19 comment, or if you wish to add to it, then please do so, is
20 that okay?"
21
22 And then he begins the quotation as follows: "'We did not
23 initially have a grading system, but a level of threat that
24 might be posed to an individual. At some point, however, a
25 grading system for the quality of the intelligence was
26 introduced. This was used to indicate how good the source
27 was considered to be. The grades here were 'A', 'B', 'C'
28 and 'D', with 'A' being an excellence source and something
29 graded 'D' being more suspect. By way of an example, a
30 telephone intercept would be classed as A1 as there could
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1 be no ambiguity there, but most other human intelligence
2 would be graded as being 2.'"
3
4 And Mr. Smith asks: "Does that accord with effectively
5 what your knowledge of the system is today?
6 Answer: Yes.
7 Question: And just in relation to the lettering, obviously
8 it ranges from 'A' to 'F' and it describes the source of
9 the information. But wouldn't it be right that those
10 letterings also cover not just human sources but also,
11 perhaps, technical sources; for example, photographs, a
12 bugged phone, things of that nature?
13 Answer: It covers a whole range of options.
14 Question: And so, it would cover technical information, a
15 technical source, is that right?
16 Answer: Yes.
17 Question: And as I say, that witness has indicated the
18 vast majority of human sources, effectively because they
19 are not capable of immediate identifiability, they are not
20 capable of immediately identified as true, for example, in
21 the way a photograph or a recording would be, that most
22 human contacts would not be considered 'A', but would be
23 more likely be 'B' or 'C'. Would that be a fair
24 recollection of what you consider things to be?
25 Answer: I couldn't be definite on that question.
26 Question: And in relation to this particular source, if he
27 was a casual contact, insofar as the meetings with the
28 handlers were casual, then that would have a bearing as
29 well, would that be right?
30 Answer: Yes.
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1 Question: So, for example, if a source was in constant or
2 regular contact on a daily or weekly basis, then that might
3 put you further up closer to 'A', whereas if you didn't
4 have as much contact, then you might be more towards 'C'?
5 Answer: Yes.
6 Question: And simply, really, the only way that
7 information coming from a human source could be classed as
8 'A' would be, for example, if the handler heard the content
9 of the intelligence himself firsthand, would that be right?
10 Answer: Again, I couldn't be definite on that matter.
11 Question: Yes. And just the other part of the evidence
12 which this witness gave at that Tribunal was to say:
13 'These grades were applied initially by the handler at the
14 time of receiving the intelligence and then subsequently by
15 the source unit at local level when the intelligence was
16 put on the system.' Is that, was that what would happen
17 with this SB50?
18 Answer: I expect so.
19 Question: And '6' would mean, just in relation to, because
20 one of the things we have heard about intelligence is that
21 one of the most important features of it, and what everyone
22 seeks to do in assessing information in giving a grading,
23 is to look immediately for corroboration?
24 Answer: Yes, okay.
25 Question: You accept that?
26 Answer: Yes.
27 Question: And wouldn't it be right that if a piece of
28 information is heard for the first time and there is no
29 time to effectively look for corroboration at the time when
30 the SB50 is being recorded, then that would necessarily
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1 mean that it wouldn't be possible to give it the highest
2 numbers; it's untested effectively?
3 Answer: Yes.
4 Question: But it doesn't exactly mean that it is untrue
5 lacking credibility or not correct?
6 Answer: No.
7 Question: It just means at the time of the doing the SB50,
8 because it was uncorroborated at that point, that the
9 handler who was generating the SB50 was unable at that
10 point to test it?
11 Answer: Yes.
12 Question: Thank you."
13
14 And then Mr. O'Callaghan states: "Chairman, there was one
15 question I omitted to ask, and with your leave, could I
16 just ask Mr. McConville?" And you, Chairman, say: "Of
17 course, yes".
18
19 And Mr. O'Callaghan asked, examines Mr. McConville as
20 follows:-
21
22 "Question: Mr. McConville, you may recall that Mr. Smith
23 asked you when we were in public sitting if there are any,
24 if there are comments on the SB50 doubting its accuracy.
25 Aside from the grading of it, is there a comment,
26 particularly in the Text of Report section doubting it's
27 accuracy?
28 Answer: No.
29 Question: And just on the Text of Report section, is there
30 anything qualitative there? If Mr. Mills could move it up
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1 the page there, you see those bolds underneath 'PIRA
2 activity', is there anything in that section referring to
3 the information that has been provided or Mr. Corrigan?
4 Answer: Certainly from memory, there is nothing of any
5 substance in it. The redacted matters are administrative.
6 Question: They are what?
7 Answer: Administrative.
8 Question: So they are administrative as well, are they?
9 Answer: Yes, from memory now I'm not sure of that.
10 Question: You're not sure?
11 Answer: No, I just don't remember just exactly what it
12 says in there.
13 Question: Would it be possible to find out?
14 Answer: No, the document is redacted.
15 Question: Okay. The only reason I ask you, because when
16 Mr. Valentine was taking you through your
17 evidence-in-chief, you indicated that it was all
18 administrative from the bottom down beneath where 'There
19 was a Sergeant Owen Corrigan'?
20 Answer: Yes, it is.
21 Question: That is all administrative. And above 'Comment
22 by originator" is all administrative?
23 Answer: Yes.
24 Question: And obviously we have dealt with the quote
25 'Comment by originator'?
26 Answer: No, sorry, from memory I believe that it is
27 redacted for national security reasons in the text of the
28 narrative.
29 Question: Well, in terms of national security, and
30 obviously you know what I am interested in is Mr. Corrigan
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1 and any statements in it that would be exculpatory of him
2 or would reflect upon his good character. Do you recall is
3 there anything in that concerning that?
4 Answer: I don't recall.
5 Question: Okay."
6
7 And then, Chairman, on re-examination I put two questions
8 to Mr. McConville:-
9
10 "Question: First, Mr. McConville, just in relation to
11 Mr. O'Callaghan's question as to whether this is the lowest
12 grading, would I be correct in presuming that
13 three.....would overall be a lower grading?
14 Answer: Yes, definitely.
15 Question: And secondly, I wonder could Mr. Mills just
16 slide over to the 'Comment by submitting officer'. You
17 have already indicated that that purely is the initials
18 that have been redacted?
19 Answer: Yes.
20 Question: I know you indicated in response to
21 Mr. O'Callaghan's question that you weren't aware of the
22 evidence given by Witness X who was the submitting officer,
23 Mr. O'Callaghan has informed you that he said when he
24 received the information he considered it to be
25 tittle-tattle and gossip. Having heard that, would you
26 expect to see his comment to that effect in that box?
27 Answer: Possibly.
28 Question: Very good."
29
30 I indicated, "I have no further questions".
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1
2 And then Mr. Durack indicates as follows: "Sorry, there
3 was one matter which I should clarify, as I led people up
4 the garden path in relation to it". And then Mr. Durack
5 asks Mr. McConville:-
6
7 "Question: Just in relation to the faxes that were sent to
8 Monaghan and Dundalk, as we now know I think that what the
9 actual items that were being sent were telexes that had
10 been prepared within the RUC on the 16th of March, and that
11 they were in fact being forwarded on to the guards for
12 their information?
13 Answer: Yes, that is correct.
14 Question: Thank you."
15
16 And that ended Mr. McConville's evidence. So, that ended
17 that.
18
19 MR. DILLON: May I say and God bless Mr. McConville. A man
20 of few words. I didn't have much to say. But I think
21 there is a matter that you wish to mention to
22 Mr. O'Callaghan.
23
24 CHAIRMAN: Yes, is there any other matter that we are
25 dealing with this afternoon?
26
27 MR. DILLON: There is a video to be shown.
28
29 CHAIRMAN: A video, very good. Mr. O'Callaghan, arising
30 out of this morning's evidence, your client in the
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1 witness-box made a number of observations objecting to
2 answering Mr. Dillon's questions, and he indicated that he
3 was not going to do so and he is not going to furnish any
4 further information about his bank account. Well, that's
5 his decision about that. But I do have certain steps I can
6 take. I, first of all, have the right to require him to do
7 so, and if necessary, to report him to the High Court with
8 a view to an attachment order issuing. That is point
9 number one.
10
11 Secondly, well there are other, of course, consequential
12 effects of that, but secondly, he does leave himself
13 vulnerable to this, in this way: That I am entitled to
14 make assumptions arising out of his refusal to do so. It
15 may well be that he would like to re-visit his response to
16 those matters. I would be grateful if you could talk to
17 him about that matter and advise him and -- well, we can
18 deal with it tomorrow morning. Anyway, I think it is right
19 that I should mention that to you.
20
21 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Thank you.
22
23 CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much, Mr. O'Callaghan.
24
25 MR. VALENTINE: Chairman, the final matter for today is,
26 Sir, there are two short videos of press coverage dating
27 from the days immediately after the deaths of Chief
28 Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan. The
29 first is from -- it is a news report. It was on a DVD
30 supplied to the Tribunal by the gardaí, which actually
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1 emanates from the BBC. And the second is a BBC DVD
2 supplied directly to the Tribunal. And in fact, on the
3 second DVD, the report that is on the first DVD is at the
4 end of it, so we won't have to play the full extent of the
5 second one.
6
7 CHAIRMAN: Have I not seen this DVD before? Maybe I
8 haven't, but I certainly have seen something similar to it.
9
10 MR. VALENTINE: We certainly haven't seen the first one.
11 We may have seen a portion of the second one.
12
13 CHAIRMAN: Well, anyway, it is well that I should see it in
14 full now.
15
16 MR. VALENTINE: In total this will only take -- I think the
17 first is six-and-a-half minutes and the second is six
18 minutes, so twelve minutes in total, Chairman. So, this is
19 the first, this is the first of the two reports. I will
20 just let it play. Thank you.
21
22 (DVD played to the Tribunal.)
23
24 MR. VALENTINE: That's the first tape. And just, there is
25 a further BBC report on the second video, Chairman. I
26 think some of it appears familiar and I think elements of
27 it may have been incorporated in the video we previously
28 viewed. I don't think we may have seen it in its entirety
29 before. It is about six-and-a-half minutes long.
30
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3 MR. VALENTINE: I think the next report is just the report
4 we have already seen, Chairman. So, that concludes the
5 business for today, Chairman.
6
7 CHAIRMAN: Good. Then we have nothing until tomorrow
8 morning at eleven o'clock. Very well. Tomorrow at 11:00.
9 Thank you very much.
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34:5 66:22, 66:25 96:14, 96:20, 96:23, arrival [12] - 1:6, 14:11, 78:19, 79:27, 81:1 behaviour [1] - 34:30 border [24] - 22:10, 96:26, 97:4, 97:14, 14:12, 14:17, 19:11, attitude [2] - 5:28, 36:2 behest [1] - 55:4 22:13, 22:17, 22:25, 97:19, 97:27, 98:13 20:10, 20:28, 40:4, attract [2] - 78:19, 80:30 behind [7] - 58:1, 74:19, 24:24, 26:19, 68:5, answer [13] - 14:20, 69:14, 69:23, 71:7, au [3] - 86:12, 87:13, 74:26, 75:6, 76:20, 69:21, 69:27, 70:14, 14:27, 16:3, 17:5, 72:19 90:14 78:19 70:15, 70:18, 70:19, 17:15, 27:4, 39:26, arrivals [1] - 75:28 August [1] - 11:30 Belfast [5] - 63:6, 69:9, 75:5, 76:1, 76:15, 43:9, 43:19, 46:18, arrive [3] - 23:1, 23:2, authorities [3] - 3:6, 9:12, 71:13, 74:16, 76:7 76:19, 76:22, 76:23, 51:17, 86:1, 90:2 68:3 60:5 belief [3] - 30:2, 30:3, 77:16, 77:24, 77:26, answered [1] - 43:12 arrived [5] - 24:1, 78:3, authority [1] - 32:18 79:4 78:27, 81:8 answering [5] - 21:7, 79:22, 80:15, 81:10 authors [1] - 22:14 believes [1] - 87:27 bottom [5] - 44:20, 50:21, 43:10, 43:21, 48:25, arrives [1] - 65:11 available [5] - 4:30, 5:7, bell [1] - 20:12 50:24, 85:20, 96:18 99:2 arriving [4] - 1:7, 20:8, 11:24, 34:16, 37:8 below [1] - 66:21 bought [6] - 42:7, 42:10, anticipated [1] - 1:7 20:25, 71:27 availed [1] - 81:11 bending [1] - 49:1 42:23, 43:3, 43:6, 43:27 anxieties [1] - 56:25 bound [1] - 50:17 art [1] - 27:25 averment [2] - 66:20, beneath [1] - 96:18 anxiety [1] - 20:30 box [5] - 45:3, 83:11, article [1] - 37:6 81:14 best [2] - 55:22, 79:4 anyway [6] - 5:26, 11:12, 83:19, 97:26, 99:1 articles [1] - 37:5 awaiting [2] - 77:29, better [2] - 52:12, 63:22 57:25, 86:21, 99:18, AS [5] - 1:2, 2:1, 13:17, 78:22 boys" [1] - 63:2 100:13 between [9] - 11:11, 38:6, 65:1 aware [21] - 2:6, 2:17, 17:26, 40:9, 40:23, bracketed [1] - 87:8 apart [1] - 17:1 ashamed [1] - 48:21 2:23, 18:25, 22:12, 50:27, 68:5, 76:2, Branch [6] - 21:21, 21:24, apologies [1] - 64:5 aside [2] - 84:9, 95:25 24:12, 25:30, 28:7, 77:16, 79:26 21:27, 21:28, 69:7, appalled [1] - 42:30 92:15 aspect [1] - 62:19 32:10, 51:22, 72:5, Biet [1] - 38:24 appalling [1] - 59:23 branch [1] - 69:18 assess [1] - 31:19 73:9, 77:15, 78:26, big [2] - 11:10, 88:4 apparatus [1] - 37:8 break [4] - 37:29, 78:9, assessed [1] - 12:26 79:25, 81:7, 89:23, bigoted [4] - 35:7, 36:1, appeal [3] - 7:20, 9:18, assessing [1] - 94:22 89:26, 89:27, 89:28, 36:2 81:11 9:21 break-in [1] - 78:9 assessment [3] - 18:19, 97:21 bigoted" [1] - 36:4 appear [9] - 3:16, 4:27, breakfast [1] - 78:29 60:17, 85:26 awful [1] - 46:6 bit [2] - 32:9, 58:24 9:17, 9:23, 13:20, Breen [11] - 27:7, 27:8, Assessment' [1] - 83:20 black [2] - 74:1, 75:25 36:12, 45:10, 67:25, assigned [2] - 69:18, 28:5, 28:14, 28:15, 72:8 B Blackrock [2] - 77:11, 71:26 79:20 28:23, 28:27, 28:29, appeared [5] - 3:1, 28:11, B&I [2] - 69:20, 69:23 29:23, 52:26, 99:28 assist [15] - 15:19, 38:24, Blair [4] - 37:17, 37:19, 44:1, 80:11, 80:15 background [3] - 31:13, 38:27, 39:17, 39:21, 44:2, 44:4 Brendan [1] - 11:25 applied [1] - 94:13 32:26, 33:23 Brian [2] - 67:1, 68:15 41:16, 44:26, 45:24, Blair's [1] - 37:17 appointed [1] - 11:29 bad [1] - 90:8 brief [3] - 77:18, 79:27, 46:18, 46:22, 48:16, bless [1] - 98:19 appraisal [1] - 47:28 baffling [1] - 56:25 81:4 48:24, 55:1, 60:16, Bloombridge [2] - 45:8, appraised [1] - 70:8 Bailieborough [1] - 7:6 70:23 45:11 BRIEFLY [1] - 38:6 appreciate [9] - 6:27, assistance [8] - 19:8, bang [1] - 76:20 brigade [1] - 5:25
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30th May 2013 - Day 131 3 bring [4] - 4:13, 14:14, 75:29, 76:10, 76:11, 67:27, 68:22, 68:28, clarity [1] - 27:13 communication [1] - 37:13, 40:28 76:17, 76:21, 76:24, 72:30, 79:12, 81:25, classed [2] - 92:30, 94:7 81:22 bringing [1] - 63:12 77:17, 77:18, 77:24, 81:29, 82:11, 82:16, clean [1] - 38:20 compare [1] - 19:1 brings [1] - 45:2 78:10, 80:6, 80:12, 88:25, 89:12, 89:30, clear [14] - 6:7, 6:16, compared [1] - 33:20 British [10] - 35:5, 35:17, 80:17, 80:18, 80:19, 92:1, 95:14, 95:16, 7:21, 13:20, 15:6, competition [1] - 40:22 35:24, 36:11, 37:24, 80:28 97:7, 99:25, 100:18, 23:17, 26:14, 27:13, compiled [1] - 89:29 48:4, 49:1, 52:25, 53:3, care [4] - 15:19, 19:2, 100:25, 101:4, 101:5 28:4, 31:10, 31:11, complaint [1] - 34:29 53:11 37:28, 43:4 CHAIRMAN [63] - 1:4, 34:20, 55:26, 56:13 complaints [10] - 3:12, broadcast [1] - 48:2 career [1] - 43:17 1:10, 4:3, 5:10, 5:16, clearance [1] - 77:29 6:30, 7:26, 8:1, 8:15, broadly [1] - 26:16 carefully [1] - 46:17 5:23, 13:11, 15:25, clearly [9] - 28:22, 52:27, 8:17, 8:18, 8:22, 8:28, brought [8] - 3:23, 19:19, Carina [7] - 67:18, 73:28, 16:2, 16:8, 16:12, 52:29, 53:15, 55:3, 54:6 19:21, 23:9, 23:10, 77:18, 78:10, 79:29, 16:16, 16:28, 17:1, 77:25, 87:17, 88:5, complete [2] - 10:7, 26:30, 27:4, 78:10 80:23, 80:28 17:5, 33:5, 33:11, 88:10 10:20 Buchanan [13] - 29:1, Carlingford [2] - 78:27, 33:17, 38:3, 43:8, client [2] - 89:6, 98:30 completely [2] - 47:10, 50:2, 51:3, 52:26, 57:6, 81:8 43:12, 43:17, 43:23, client's [1] - 89:3 51:4 65:19, 65:22, 66:14, carriageway [2] - 69:30, 48:24, 56:8, 56:12, Clonliffe [2] - 74:15, 76:6 complimentary [1] - 35:3 66:15, 73:5, 73:12, 74:17 56:17, 56:23, 57:1, close [2] - 46:15, 49:9 complimented [1] - 41:2 81:21, 99:28 Carrickarnon [5] - 70:7, 57:5, 57:12, 57:16, closer [1] - 94:3 compound [1] - 80:11 57:25, 58:6, 58:10, Buchanan's [4] - 2:27, 70:11, 77:21, 77:29, cloud [6] - 39:6, 39:10, concern [8] - 34:1, 44:11, 26:29, 68:13, 68:20 80:3 58:18, 58:29, 59:6, 39:20, 39:23, 70:20, 44:26, 50:4, 53:29, bugged [1] - 93:12 carried [3] - 21:15, 25:3, 59:15, 61:17, 61:22, 75:9 54:2, 56:4, 57:8 61:26, 61:29, 62:2, build [1] - 41:7 67:14 Co [1] - 73:24 concerned [1] - 2:10 62:6, 62:10, 62:13, build-up [1] - 41:7 carry [4] - 14:1, 14:4, coach [1] - 74:26 concerning [2] - 51:26, 63:27, 64:17, 65:5, building [1] - 83:13 29:3, 38:8 code [2] - 29:24, 62:20 97:3 65:10, 66:4, 66:11, built [1] - 27:29 carrying [1] - 19:30 Coffey [1] - 92:5 concerns [2] - 54:7, 57:9 66:17, 82:8, 82:14, bundle [1] - 81:19 cars [4] - 3:24, 5:12, 5:26, COFFEY [1] - 13:15 conclude [1] - 59:13 83:5, 98:24, 98:29, bundled [1] - 63:14 74:24 colleague [2] - 31:23, concludes [2] - 81:19, 99:23, 100:7, 100:13, Bureau [1] - 41:14 case [10] - 4:27, 7:2, 7:25, 42:11 101:4 101:7 business [5] - 5:14, 5:16, 9:3, 11:9, 24:27, 34:4, colleagues [2] - 22:27, conclusion [1] - 35:4 changed [1] - 42:4 45:21, 47:4, 101:5 44:8, 45:10, 72:1 59:29 concocted [2] - 4:1, 4:3 character [1] - 97:2 buying [1] - 42:25 casual [3] - 86:18, 93:27, collect [2] - 22:10, 77:12 concoction [1] - 12:18 charge [6] - 5:8, 8:26, BY [2] - 2:1, 13:17 93:28 colluding [1] - 89:6 conduct [3] - 32:27, 19:19, 20:5, 22:24, by-pass [1] - 74:22 categorised [1] - 88:22 collusion [3] - 44:10, 32:28, 45:14 68:24 Byrne [1] - 44:16 category [1] - 47:9 53:8, 53:10 conducted [1] - 11:13 Charge [1] - 6:29 caused [1] - 66:26 colour [1] - 4:20 confidential' [1] - 67:11 charges [1] - 12:19 causes [1] - 63:25 coloured [1] - 79:28 confirm [5] - 24:17, C chasing [1] - 39:22 Cecily [1] - 69:2 coming [25] - 2:16, 14:22, 45:15, 51:18, 71:12, check [2] - 19:3, 75:24 C' [1] - 93:23 centre [2] - 19:12, 73:8 14:26, 16:24, 19:15, 84:7 C6 [8] - 82:6, 82:27, checked [2] - 4:12, 58:13 certain [14] - 13:22, 14:7, 20:4, 22:12, 22:13, confirmed [2] - 69:26, checking [1] - 24:11 82:30, 84:11, 88:22, 21:11, 26:27, 35:5, 22:18, 24:7, 24:8, 71:14 88:28, 89:8, 89:15 checkpoint [2] - 26:11 37:11, 37:12, 61:1, 26:24, 27:26, 27:30, confronted [1] - 55:11 cab [1] - 75:25 chief [1] - 96:17 65:25, 65:29, 71:25, 42:19, 46:3, 48:15, confusing [3] - 10:6, Chief [14] - 7:4, 8:8, 8:10, cache [1] - 28:8 84:2, 84:4, 99:5 52:13, 60:8, 72:24, 10:25, 20:20 caller [1] - 69:9 8:19, 8:22, 8:30, 28:8, certainly [11] - 10:6, 28:3, 74:21, 76:22, 89:8, 94:7 congratulated [1] - 4:8 calmly [2] - 43:9, 43:10 54:4, 57:13, 57:20, 28:17, 52:12, 87:17, commence [1] - 71:11 connect [1] - 48:17 campaign [2] - 47:6, 48:4 66:30, 69:1, 72:12, 90:28, 91:16, 91:18, commenced [3] - 2:29, connected [4] - 12:29, 99:27 candidates [1] - 29:30 96:4, 100:8, 100:10 11:28, 86:5 12:30, 27:20, 27:21 cannot [1] - 50:29 [1] children [1] - 49:4 certificates - 41:30 comment [21] - 31:16, connecting [1] - 23:10 capable [3] - 91:15, [1] choose [1] - 35:7 chaired - 9:22 50:16, 50:29, 51:14, Connolly [4] - 3:18, 4:19, Christmas [1] - 2:27 93:19, 93:20 Chairman [78] - 7:2, 11:5, 51:16, 83:12, 83:29, 40:4, 40:7 capture [1] - 28:28 CID [2] - 21:26, 21:29 13:8, 13:21, 13:22, 84:5, 84:8, 86:20, Conroy [12] - 38:23, cipher [2] - 63:24, 63:30 captured [1] - 28:9 14:29, 15:15, 15:18, 87:16, 88:2, 88:24, 38:27, 39:9, 39:21, circles [1] - 37:11 car [70] - 2:27, 4:5, 4:15, 15:27, 16:17, 17:8, 89:1, 89:11, 89:16, 39:27, 39:30, 42:1, circulated [1] - 67:21 4:20, 4:28, 6:3, 19:8, 18:1, 19:7, 19:24, 92:1, 92:13, 92:19, 50:7, 50:13, 54:24, circulation [1] - 29:21 19:11, 19:16, 22:18, 21:14, 24:28, 30:7, 95:25, 97:26 56:14 30:10, 31:18, 31:29, circumstances [6] - 22:25, 23:7, 24:10, comments [1] - 95:24 Conroy's [2] - 50:12, 24:11, 26:12, 26:29, 36:1, 39:17, 39:19, 38:19, 46:3, 46:9, commercial [1] - 60:19 54:26 26:30, 27:4, 27:5, 41:29, 42:29, 43:15, 64:10, 87:28, 91:22 Commissioner [18] - 8:9, conscious [1] - 58:22 27:10, 27:11, 27:14, 43:29, 44:6, 44:26, City [1] - 76:3 8:12, 8:13, 8:15, 8:24, consciousness [4] - city [1] - 69:29 27:18, 27:20, 27:21, 45:3, 45:16, 47:18, 9:9, 9:24, 10:21, 40:15, 83:28, 87:5, 87:23, 28:21, 35:23, 35:24, 48:26, 49:15, 49:20, claimed [1] - 71:3 41:2, 44:16, 51:24, 87:26 69:10, 69:13, 69:28, 50:1, 52:24, 53:2, 53:5, Clanbrassil [3] - 78:7, 52:14, 56:9, 56:20, consequential [1] - 99:11 69:30, 70:1, 70:29, 53:14, 54:19, 55:1, 78:11, 80:21 58:12, 72:13, 82:25 consider [1] - 93:24 71:17, 71:26, 72:28, 55:10, 58:20, 58:22, clarification [2] - 54:27, Commissioners [1] - considerably [1] - 28:17 73:27, 73:29, 74:8, 60:9, 60:16, 61:12, 60:10 34:28 consideration [1] - 8:20 74:10, 74:27, 74:28, 61:15, 63:23, 64:10, clarify [7] - 2:4, 6:11, commitment [1] - 45:2 considered [3] - 92:27, 75:1, 75:2, 75:4, 75:6, 64:15, 65:3, 65:14, 24:27, 46:10, 65:29, communicated [2] - 93:22, 97:24 75:8, 75:23, 75:26, 66:7, 66:8, 66:13, 82:16, 98:3 65:30, 90:16 Considine [1] - 7:6
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30th May 2013 - Day 131 4 consignment [1] - 81:5 33:28, 36:18, 37:28, 56:4, 56:6, 56:9, 58:12 6:2, 6:8, 7:22, 7:30, different [8] - 21:26, 47:8, conspiracy [1] - 52:24 38:8, 44:19, 44:24, Curran [23] - 49:20, 8:11, 8:14, 10:16, 58:1, 58:15, 71:18, Constable [1] - 2:30 48:6, 48:9, 48:30, 49:22, 50:14, 50:21, 11:15, 11:19 78:16, 88:10, 89:3 Constabulary [1] - 69:8 54:10, 54:17, 54:28, 50:30, 51:1, 51:7, decide [1] - 6:22 difficult [2] - 42:2, 71:30 constant [1] - 94:1 58:25, 63:20, 64:6, 51:12, 51:16, 51:22, decided [4] - 10:22, difficulty [5] - 21:12, contact [10] - 3:24, 32:8, 64:11, 96:3, 96:30 53:28, 54:5, 55:3, 45:18, 45:22, 69:15 43:20, 55:12, 59:10, 32:26, 33:5, 33:11, Corrigan' [1] - 96:19 55:28, 56:3, 56:8, decision [12] - 10:11, 63:25 86:15, 86:19, 93:27, Corrigan's [1] - 59:13 56:18, 56:25, 57:1, 10:24, 10:26, 10:28, Dillon [10] - 11:6, 17:10, 94:2, 94:4 corroborated [1] - 15:29 57:18, 57:26, 57:27, 10:29, 11:10, 11:11, 30:27, 32:17, 43:18, contactability [1] - 5:4 corroboration [2] - 94:23, 58:11 41:1, 46:30, 48:26, 49:11, 55:15, 60:7, contactable [1] - 5:5 94:29 Curran's [2] - 50:12, 48:27, 99:5 82:4, 83:7 contacted [2] - 34:2, 34:8 counsel [3] - 50:20, 51:9, 56:23 declare [1] - 79:3 DILLON [19] - 13:8, contacts [1] - 93:22 51:17 Custom [1] - 80:7 deductions [1] - 17:17 13:17, 13:19, 17:13, containers [1] - 78:22 Count [1] - 6:8 Customs [12] - 70:7, definite [3] - 90:27, 17:21, 32:21, 33:30, content [1] - 94:8 counteracting [1] - 34:24 70:16, 70:17, 74:25, 93:25, 94:10 38:8, 43:28, 58:20, contention [7] - 53:27, countermanded [1] - 75:7, 76:11, 76:20, definitely [1] - 97:14 59:2, 59:10, 59:18, 54:20, 55:7, 55:8, 10:1 77:21, 77:26, 77:28, degree [2] - 85:22, 87:22 62:17, 63:30, 64:4, 55:18, 55:27, 56:3 counterparts [1] - 54:3 80:2, 80:11 degrees [1] - 55:14 81:29, 98:19, 98:27 context [20] - 15:1, 16:18, countervailing [1] - 34:22 cut [1] - 27:25 delegate [1] - 22:26 dillon [1] - 15:6 32:21, 38:23, 39:2, country [3] - 30:29, deleted [2] - 36:29 Dillon's [1] - 99:2 39:16, 43:15, 43:17, 40:27, 41:16 D delighted [1] - 41:1 dimension [2] - 36:5, 43:24, 44:14, 44:17, Country' [1] - 36:19 Demesne [2] - 78:6, 36:6 D/I [1] - 72:24 52:23, 53:1, 53:8, counts [6] - 3:22, 4:24, 80:21 direct [3] - 21:5, 68:4, D/Sergeant [1] - 68:25 53:10, 55:2, 63:1, 82:5, 4:27, 7:12, 7:14 Department [2] - 68:29, 69:27 daily [1] - 94:2 83:2, 87:21 County [5] - 57:17, 69:3, 73:8 directing [1] - 9:2 damage [2] - 3:25, 6:5 contextual [1] - 65:25 70:7, 70:26, 77:7 departure [2] - 12:25, direction [3] - 8:25, damaged [1] - 6:4 continue [2] - 59:15, couple [2] - 3:5, 50:23 70:10 69:17, 70:18 dangerous [3] - 5:6, 70:14 course [10] - 2:5, 8:4, deprive [1] - 1:10 directly [8] - 16:22, 24:4, 38:29, 39:22 continued [4] - 77:21, 15:2, 16:19, 58:2, Deputy [1] - 8:14 30:27, 40:14, 73:19, dare [1] - 61:14 80:2, 80:5, 81:1 58:10, 82:8, 83:5, derived [1] - 36:13 75:6, 75:18, 100:2 date [4] - 4:20, 24:17, CONTINUED [1] - 65:1 95:17, 99:11 described [5] - 56:8, Director [2] - 8:20, 9:1 29:6, 73:8 continues [2] - 70:4, Court [3] - 6:17, 32:18, 56:12, 60:30, 61:2, disagreed [1] - 10:24 dated [12] - 7:30, 8:11, 71:22 99:7 62:20 disapproved [1] - 11:8 66:19, 67:12, 68:16, continuing [1] - 58:25 court [4] - 37:18, 49:8, describes [1] - 93:8 disciplinary [3] - 3:9, 68:30, 72:14, 73:11, contradiction [1] - 36:24 49:13, 65:11 description [1] - 53:7 10:7, 11:23 73:20, 75:17, 79:10, contrasts [1] - 72:1 Courtney [2] - 4:10, 41:13 designated [1] - 87:25 disclose [1] - 45:19 81:16 control [1] - 70:29 cover [2] - 93:10, 93:14 designation [1] - 82:6 disclosed [1] - 89:14 dates [3] - 10:18, 12:2, controversy [1] - 3:17 coverage [1] - 99:26 desk [2] - 20:12, 23:19 disclosure [1] - 82:26 65:29 convenience [1] - 65:12 covered [1] - 41:26 despite [1] - 9:27 discrepancies [1] - 67:21 dating [1] - 99:26 conversation [5] - 32:2, covers [2] - 58:1, 93:13 destination [1] - 71:9 discussing [1] - 33:26 David [2] - 81:26, 83:8 51:23, 55:28, 56:12, credibility [1] - 95:5 detail [3] - 4:22, 19:28, discussion [2] - 33:14, DAY [1] - 101:11 60:3 credible [3] - 47:17, 40:26 56:5 days [5] - 2:28, 6:13, conversations [1] - 32:23 48:21, 49:5 detailed [2] - 77:8, 79:18 discussions [1] - 33:30 31:12, 40:10, 99:27 convey [2] - 57:27, 79:20 credit [1] - 33:2 details [4] - 29:14, 45:6, disgraceful [1] - 6:17 dead [1] - 29:26 cooperation [1] - 74:29 crime [1] - 21:27 45:27, 71:16 dissemination [1] - 67:3 deal [22] - 3:5, 3:9, 13:22, coordinated [1] - 17:29 Crime [1] - 57:28 detain [1] - 64:9 distance [3] - 75:10, 19:7, 19:23, 21:19, copies [1] - 38:20 criminal [2] - 8:25, 49:13 detective [6] - 5:7, 52:11, 77:27, 78:19 22:16, 33:3, 38:28, copy [7] - 7:2, 14:30, criteria [1] - 44:15 68:24, 84:18, 84:20, distinction [2] - 17:25, 38:29, 39:21, 44:24, 49:9, 66:8, 83:11, 83:13 CROSS [1] - 2:1 84:24 21:23 48:11, 48:14, 54:16, corner [3] - 7:30, 68:16, cross [5] - 50:21, 68:5, Detective [32] - 67:17, District [1] - 67:2 54:28, 55:1, 58:23, 86:4, 88:18, 92:6 68:8, 68:25, 69:19, diverted [1] - 34:18 68:22 59:18, 62:17, 64:8, [19] CROSS-EXAMINED [1] - 69:21, 69:24, 72:27, division [2] - 54:6, 54:7 correct - 9:14, 12:5, 99:18 12:8, 20:18, 25:20, 2:1 73:24, 73:26, 74:6, Division [5] - 66:25, 69:8, dealing [8] - 21:20, 29:10, 25:23, 28:22, 51:27, cross-examined [3] - 74:9, 74:27, 74:29, 69:17, 70:8, 73:16 30:23, 38:11, 41:6, 75:2, 75:11, 75:16, divisional [1] - 67:7 67:25, 76:27, 83:1, 86:4, 88:18, 92:6 60:19, 62:20, 98:25 83:14, 83:15, 86:11, cross-examining [1] - 75:22, 77:2, 77:10, Divisional [1] - 66:30 dealings [5] - 3:6, 3:8, 91:25, 92:11, 95:5, 77:11, 77:14, 78:9, divulge [1] - 45:21 50:21 21:17, 31:1, 31:27 97:12, 98:13 crossed [3] - 21:1, 75:5, 78:30, 79:1, 79:13, document [8] - 7:29, deals [1] - 68:17 corrected [1] - 51:27 76:19 79:19, 79:20, 79:24, 27:2, 29:14, 66:13, dealt [14] - 3:8, 12:27, correctly [1] - 26:28 crossing [5] - 75:1, 75:4, 80:21, 80:25, 80:26, 68:28, 81:25, 84:8, 12:28, 21:25, 21:30, correspondence [3] - 81:12 96:14 75:9, 77:16, 77:24 22:3, 38:12, 38:16, 40:22, 77:13, 79:23 [3] detonated [2] - 70:29, Document [1] - 8:2 crossing-point - 75:1, 58:29, 59:3, 59:19, [1] 71:2 documents [7] - 29:4, CORRIGAN - 2:1 75:4, 75:9 77:12, 79:22, 96:24 corrigan [1] - 47:8 Crowley [18] - 50:3, 50:5, detracting [1] - 30:6 38:20, 64:8, 65:26, death [2] - 46:14, 66:26 Corrigan [29] - 2:3, 11:4, 50:8, 50:27, 51:2, devices [1] - 20:19 73:14, 81:19 deaths [1] - 99:27 13:19, 17:16, 17:18, 51:13, 51:24, 52:3, devotion [1] - 52:16 domain [2] - 88:21, 89:8 debark [1] - 73:30 17:22, 31:1, 31:24, 52:10, 52:11, 53:29, difference [4] - 5:27, Donaldson [13] - 35:25, December [10] - 2:30, 32:25, 33:2, 33:7, 54:18, 55:4, 55:28, 11:11, 27:9, 88:4 47:14, 47:15, 47:17,
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30th May 2013 - Day 131 5
47:19, 47:20, 47:29, Dublin [20] - 50:2, 58:12, eloquent [1] - 53:17 54:28, 54:29, 55:10, F 48:1, 48:2, 48:19, 66:1, 67:18, 68:3, emanate [1] - 65:27 55:21, 56:8, 59:13, 48:21, 49:5 69:11, 69:14, 71:7, emanated [1] - 81:20 79:6, 81:26, 82:17, fabricated [1] - 12:19 Donaldson's [1] - 35:27 71:28, 72:19, 72:25, emanates [1] - 100:1 82:25, 83:3, 89:30, faced [1] - 33:1 done [6] - 4:9, 8:21, 8:29, 73:2, 73:24, 73:26, emanating [1] - 35:10 92:18, 94:11, 96:17, facet [2] - 54:8, 58:3 12:10, 12:23, 81:21 74:16, 75:21, 76:3, emerge [1] - 72:1 97:22, 98:16, 98:30 fact [50] - 2:25, 3:3, 3:19, door [11] - 19:17, 19:21, 76:7, 78:11, 80:23 emerged [1] - 74:23 evidence-in-chief [1] - 3:21, 3:22, 4:24, 6:11, 20:9, 20:15, 20:16, Dublin-Belfast [2] - emphasis [2] - 2:15, 96:17 6:15, 6:20, 7:11, 7:14, 20:21, 23:10, 23:14, 74:16, 76:7 55:14 exactly [6] - 22:23, 60:26, 7:15, 7:19, 7:21, 8:21, 23:22, 23:25 due [2] - 60:19, 73:30 employees [1] - 71:20 61:18, 88:15, 95:4, 9:5, 9:6, 9:10, 9:27, doorbell [1] - 19:17 Duffy's [1] - 11:25 enabled [2] - 14:1, 14:3 96:11 10:2, 11:8, 11:30, 12:1, 12:3, 12:21, 12:26, doors [1] - 23:28 Dundalk [60] - 2:26, 5:3, enclosure [2] - 65:23, examination [2] - 64:11, dossier [1] - 27:29 5:26, 8:9, 10:23, 14:26, 67:27 97:7 12:28, 13:2, 17:22, 27:20, 28:18, 28:23, doubt [6] - 31:25, 51:28, 15:14, 16:5, 16:25, end [6] - 4:30, 5:1, 8:23, EXAMINED [2] - 2:1, 54:17, 56:5, 58:11, 19:5, 19:12, 19:15, 9:12, 13:2, 100:4 13:17 29:5, 37:2, 37:3, 39:28, 40:14, 46:4, 47:9, 51:2, 61:12 20:3, 20:8, 23:3, 31:2, endeavours [1] - 30:11 examined [3] - 86:4, 53:16, 58:11, 67:14, doubting [3] - 52:13, 31:24, 32:8, 33:22, ended [3] - 59:26, 98:16 88:18, 92:6 68:12, 73:4, 81:20, 95:24, 95:26 34:29, 35:23, 40:4, enduring [1] - 43:3 examines [1] - 95:19 40:17, 41:15, 41:18, 86:18, 98:11, 100:2 down [26] - 14:23, 14:26, engage [1] - 42:2 examining [1] - 50:21 52:5, 60:13, 63:9, factor [1] - 72:1 16:4, 16:24, 19:18, engaged [1] - 5:5 example [7] - 47:14, 65:27, 66:29, 67:2, facts [3] - 22:16, 30:11, 21:7, 22:18, 22:29, England [1] - 71:12 84:22, 92:29, 93:11, 67:8, 67:11, 67:22, 30:26 24:1, 27:25, 30:28, English [2] - 55:24, 74:1 93:20, 94:1, 94:8 31:22, 31:23, 50:21, 68:15, 68:24, 73:9, excellence [1] - 92:28 failed [1] - 60:19 English-type [1] - 74:1 50:23, 51:2, 51:7, 74:21, 74:23, 75:7, exchange [2] - 82:23, fair [5] - 13:3, 13:4, 44:30, enjoy [1] - 38:11 51:13, 52:8, 63:12, 76:10, 77:3, 77:6, 83:2 63:21, 93:23 ensure [1] - 20:29 63:28, 74:1, 77:26, 77:25, 78:1, 78:3, exclusion [1] - 52:16 fairly [4] - 9:11, 90:2, entirety [1] - 100:28 78:11, 86:30, 96:18 78:18, 78:27, 79:14, exculpatory [1] - 97:1 90:4, 91:8 entitled [17] - 18:14, downstairs [1] - 20:5 79:16, 79:21, 79:26, fairness [1] - 48:20 18:15, 18:17, 21:12, excuse [1] - 62:13 80:6, 80:14, 80:29, fait [3] - 86:12, 87:13, DPP [1] - 9:1 31:29, 32:19, 32:22, exercise [2] - 17:29, 49:8 81:8, 81:10, 98:8 90:14 DPP's [1] - 9:9 35:14, 46:22, 46:26, exhaustion [4] - 39:6, Dundalk-Newry [3] - false [1] - 79:7 drafted [1] - 11:3 48:15, 54:14, 61:5, 39:11, 39:21, 39:23 77:25, 78:18, 80:29 falsehoods [1] - 34:25 drag [1] - 48:4 61:6, 68:30, 99:13 existence [1] - 46:10 Durack [7] - 1:4, 6:26, falsified [1] - 4:19 draw [2] - 3:2, 9:5 episode [1] - 38:25 exit [1] - 12:24 7:24, 86:4, 86:5, 98:2, familiar [2] - 74:13, Drew [1] - 82:25 equally [1] - 9:7 expect [11] - 20:25, 98:4 100:26 drive [4] - 23:4, 71:27, escort [16] - 67:13, 67:24, 30:19, 30:21, 30:24, DURACK [4] - 1:6, 2:1, family [2] - 46:8, 87:12 74:18, 76:16 68:8, 69:15, 69:18, 31:29, 32:22, 34:21, 2:3, 5:30 family' [1] - 92:11 driven [4] - 69:29, 74:12, 69:21, 69:28, 69:30, 48:1, 48:20, 94:18, duration [1] - 26:7 75:26, 75:28 70:14, 72:28, 73:15, 97:26 far [7] - 25:19, 27:18, during [5] - 8:4, 22:22, driver [1] - 74:3 77:19, 78:16, 79:28, expected [3] - 20:24, 27:22, 69:29, 71:13, 26:12, 27:27, 78:9 driving [9] - 24:10, 69:13, 80:18, 80:19 68:4, 76:1 78:20, 91:3 duties [1] - 39:9 farewell [1] - 70:15 72:26, 73:27, 74:18, Escort [8] - 68:6, 72:26, experience [1] - 88:26 duty [7] - 21:3, 52:16, 75:30, 76:4, 77:17, 74:11, 76:16, 78:4, experienced [1] - 8:6 fatal [1] - 70:27 73:25, 75:22, 77:9, 79:30 78:12, 80:27, 80:30 explain [9] - 15:15, 18:1, fateful [3] - 23:6, 25:12, 77:12, 77:14 26:11 Drogheda [11] - 10:3, escorting [4] - 70:9, 18:11, 33:5, 35:4, DVD [7] - 99:29, 100:1, 10:5, 10:24, 10:28, 70:12, 70:13, 70:15 35:30, 37:10, 39:27, favour [1] - 39:28 100:3, 100:7, 100:22, faxes [1] - 98:7 11:7, 40:20, 67:7, establish [1] - 30:11 62:14 101:1 features [1] - 94:21 72:27, 74:21, 76:8 establishment [1] - 30:15 explained [5] - 15:28, [2] February [1] - 11:18 Drogheda" - 9:30, estimated [1] - 70:21 16:30, 51:1, 53:5, 55:22 felt [1] - 29:23 10:2 E ETA [1] - 72:25 explaining [1] - 53:2 Dromad [13] - 67:11, explore [1] - 32:28 female [1] - 76:9 Earl [2] - 78:5, 80:20 Eugene [9] - 50:3, 50:5, 68:24, 70:16, 70:22, explosion [5] - 66:26, ferry [10] - 68:3, 69:10, Edentubber [2] - 77:22, 51:2, 51:13, 51:24, 74:25, 75:11, 76:11, 70:18, 75:8, 78:26, 81:7 69:24, 69:25, 71:26, 80:4 52:3, 54:18, 55:4, 55:28 76:19, 76:24, 77:20, expose [1] - 91:30 72:25, 73:29, 74:7, Edmund [1] - 79:19 evaporated [1] - 34:16 78:29, 80:1, 81:12 exposed [2] - 88:28, 75:23, 75:29 effect [2] - 90:16, 97:26 evening [2] - 29:11, 29:27 dropped [2] - 74:5, 75:28 89:14 few [6] - 2:3, 2:4, 26:12, effectively [6] - 38:28, event [5] - 25:29, 26:3, drove [23] - 24:14, 70:22, expressed [2] - 3:7, 34:6 52:22, 65:14, 98:20 82:24, 93:4, 93:18, 26:4, 26:21, 27:16 70:30, 73:28, 73:30, expressing [1] - 34:1 fight [1] - 11:12 94:29, 95:2 events [4] - 25:10, 35:7, 74:13, 74:15, 74:16, expression [1] - 34:6 figure [1] - 71:28 effects [1] - 99:12 61:1, 67:3 74:22, 74:25, 75:3, extent [4] - 9:11, 33:30, figures [1] - 30:1 efficiency [1] - 40:15 Evidence [2] - 2:24, 77:2 75:6, 75:10, 75:23, 45:27, 100:4 file [1] - 10:7 effort [1] - 47:30 evidence [44] - 2:5, 4:16, 76:10, 76:19, 76:22, extra [1] - 53:25 files [1] - 9:23 eight [1] - 52:14 25:25, 30:7, 31:19, 76:24, 77:19, 78:5, extracted [1] - 68:19 filling [1] - 80:7 either [5] - 4:18, 4:23, 31:21, 32:3, 32:24, 78:18, 78:19, 80:20 extraordinarily [1] - final [2] - 79:12, 99:25 23:3, 34:11, 40:8 32:29, 37:16, 37:19, Drumcondra [2] - 74:15, 53:23 financial [2] - 44:13, elements [2] - 35:9, 39:18, 39:19, 43:28, 76:6 extremely [2] - 39:22, 44:15 100:26 47:19, 47:23, 48:17, dual [2] - 69:30, 74:17 42:2 fine [3] - 27:25, 58:20, eleven [1] - 101:8 49:20, 50:1, 51:12, dual-carriageway [1] - 51:18, 52:18, 53:14, 82:14 eloquence [1] - 53:6 69:30 53:20, 54:10, 54:11, fined [1] - 7:16
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30th May 2013 - Day 131 6 fines [1] - 12:17 forgotten [1] - 43:28 gate [4] - 23:3, 23:5, 23:9, green [5] - 68:9, 72:28, hears [1] - 41:30 finish [2] - 59:2, 64:4 form [2] - 65:21, 70:28 24:14 78:5, 78:15, 80:19 heart [1] - 49:9 finishing [2] - 58:27, formal [1] - 9:18 gates [2] - 23:3, 23:4 Greenore [3] - 78:21, height [1] - 60:5 58:30 former [4] - 26:27, 36:10, gateway [1] - 24:10 81:2, 81:6 heightened [1] - 2:13 Finnegan [1] - 61:10 44:1, 44:16 gateways [1] - 23:4 grossly [1] - 45:30 held [2] - 9:24, 40:27 Finnegan's [1] - 60:17 forward [2] - 8:22, 37:13 gathered [2] - 18:4, 27:16 ground [1] - 37:25 help [5] - 7:24, 14:29, Finucane [3] - 35:12, forwarded [1] - 98:11 gathering [2] - 5:18, grounds [3] - 25:22, 34:23, 44:22, 76:14 37:24, 49:3 four [3] - 34:28, 73:14, 21:29 25:24 hence [1] - 29:24 fire [3] - 5:7, 5:23, 5:25 74:24 general [6] - 2:12, 5:28, Guard [1] - 77:3 hereby [1] - 79:3 fire.. [1] - 5:21 fourth [1] - 7:16 30:4, 33:14, 44:10, guards [4] - 12:9, 61:18, Hickey [1] - 7:4 firebomb [1] - 5:24 franchise [1] - 57:19 85:24 67:15, 98:11 high [6] - 29:9, 29:18, firebombing [1] - 11:25 Frazer [2] - 35:28, 47:27 General' [1] - 38:30 34:27, 71:28, 84:1, 87:6 fireman [1] - 5:8 freely [1] - 32:3 generally [4] - 22:19, H High [1] - 99:7 fires [1] - 5:13 FRIDAY [1] - 101:12 22:20, 26:17, 26:18 high-grade [1] - 29:18 hairs [2] - 54:23, 55:15 first [38] - 2:30, 3:9, 7:16, friends [1] - 62:7 generating [1] - 95:9 high-ranking [2] - 29:9, half [4] - 70:21, 76:23, 13:30, 19:12, 23:25, Friends [1] - 86:2 generation [1] - 89:22 34:27 100:17, 100:29 25:4, 25:11, 27:24, front [7] - 7:29, 19:17, Gethins [2] - 79:1, 81:13 high-risk [1] - 71:28 hallway [2] - 20:15, 63:14 29:2, 33:1, 35:16, 20:9, 23:29, 25:11, Giblin [1] - 10:3 higher [2] - 22:3, 84:23 hand [14] - 14:29, 17:26, 38:12, 47:7, 49:14, 49:3, 74:18 Gibson [37] - 65:20, highest [3] - 85:14, 86:8, 21:4, 28:13, 28:14, 50:18, 50:23, 65:17, full [7] - 2:29, 39:29, 66:26, 67:5, 68:2, 69:1, 95:1 53:22, 54:17, 54:19, 66:13, 67:27, 68:17, 68:12, 68:14, 83:2, 69:2, 69:10, 69:12, himself [3] - 62:13, 94:9, 68:16, 68:21, 68:22, 71:27, 72:19, 73:2, 100:4, 100:14 69:20, 69:25, 70:27, 99:12 76:13, 83:14, 83:16 73:18, 77:2, 89:22, full-time [1] - 39:29 71:9, 71:16, 72:3, hmm [3] - 24:16, 29:29, handed [1] - 8:2 94:28, 97:10, 99:6, fully [2] - 41:26, 85:23 72:24, 73:10, 73:29, 51:8 handing [1] - 46:25 99:29, 100:3, 100:10, Fulton [5] - 35:21, 35:27, 74:7, 74:8, 74:10, holiday [3] - 24:23, 71:11, handler [3] - 94:8, 94:13, 100:17, 100:19, 100:24 47:26, 49:7, 92:6 74:12, 74:18, 74:19, 71:12 95:9 firsthand [1] - 94:9 function [2] - 21:15, 74:26, 74:28, 74:30, holidays [1] - 72:4 handlers [4] - 62:22, fit [1] - 52:25 57:23 75:1, 75:3, 75:29, home [3] - 29:12, 69:13, 62:26, 63:3, 93:28 five [1] - 7:11 furnish [1] - 99:3 75:30, 76:8, 76:11, 72:26 handwritten [1] - 72:16 fixed [1] - 11:30 furnished [2] - 65:20, 76:12, 76:15, 81:23 honest [2] - 22:15, 47:28 hanging [1] - 35:10 Flanagan [7] - 77:10, 90:29 Gibson's [3] - 69:28, honestly [1] - 46:5 happy [2] - 52:20, 83:16 77:11, 77:14, 78:10, 72:19, 75:6 hope [1] - 82:2 Harcourt [5] - 67:17, 78:30, 79:13, 81:16 Gibsons [1] - 65:30 horrific [1] - 46:8 G 69:19, 73:24, 73:25, flew [1] - 26:12 given [14] - 2:28, 11:18, hospital [4] - 45:26, 75:21 floated [1] - 11:6 galling [1] - 42:27 25:26, 31:20, 33:26, 46:14, 47:1, 59:26 garaged [1] - 19:20 hard [2] - 47:1, 61:19 floor [1] - 23:18 45:16, 51:19, 63:28, hotel [1] - 62:3 garda [2] - 75:14, 79:29 72:4, 81:26, 82:17, hardly [1] - 55:9 focus [6] - 26:30, 27:4, hotels [2] - 30:29, 31:23 Garda [81] - 2:26, 12:22, 87:7, 90:19, 97:22 Harnden [2] - 36:10, 29:17, 33:21, 53:26, hour [1] - 59:12 15:13, 17:2, 17:10, glad [1] - 14:19 36:26 83:19 house [6] - 5:10, 16:22, 20:9, 24:14, 34:27, Harris [1] - 82:25 follow [1] - 74:30 glowingly [1] - 29:11 16:30, 17:1, 42:10, 34:30, 36:27, 36:29, Harry [10] - 27:7, 27:8, followed [1] - 75:3 God [1] - 98:19 42:11 37:7, 40:23, 48:4, 50:3, 28:5, 28:14, 28:15, FOLLOWING [1] - 101:11 gossip [12] - 30:4, 32:5, huge [1] - 82:2 50:14, 51:28, 54:1, 37:22, 60:25, 61:2, 28:23, 28:27, 28:29, following [11] - 15:29, Hughes [1] - 8:5 54:3, 54:6, 54:7, 57:23, 61:5, 61:6, 61:8, 61:11, 29:23, 52:26 17:15, 24:9, 25:27, human [5] - 93:1, 93:10, 65:26, 65:27, 65:28, hazardous [1] - 42:2 25:30, 26:8, 29:27, 61:19, 89:25, 97:25 93:18, 93:22, 94:7 66:29, 67:1, 67:2, 67:5, Government [1] - 40:30 Head [2] - 4:10, 57:28 66:25, 69:14, 78:12, humble [1] - 24:6 67:13, 67:15, 67:22, GRA [1] - 8:7 headed [1] - 81:2 80:27 hypothetical [2] - 90:18, 67:24, 68:14, 68:29, headquarters [1] - 67:7 FOLLOWS [5] - 1:2, 2:1, grade [4] - 29:18, 86:25, 90:26 13:17, 38:6, 65:1 69:7, 69:15, 69:24, 89:17, 89:19 Headquarters [12] - 69:28, 70:8, 70:22, 40:29, 50:3, 50:14, follows [7] - 2:12, 73:21, graded [8] - 86:13, 88:22, I 88:19, 92:7, 92:22, 72:2, 73:6, 73:7, 73:15, 89:14, 90:1, 90:18, 51:29, 63:5, 65:26, 73:18, 73:23, 73:26, 95:20, 98:2 91:10, 92:29, 93:2 65:27, 67:6, 69:7, 69:9, IC [1] - 68:23 74:7, 74:9, 74:27, foot [1] - 41:1 grader [1] - 90:16 73:3, 73:7 idea [1] - 21:14 74:29, 75:2, 75:11, FOR [1] - 64:20 grades [2] - 92:27, 94:13 health [7] - 6:13, 6:23, identifiability [1] - 93:19 75:12, 75:16, 75:22, force [2] - 20:9, 57:20 grading [25] - 82:27, 7:24, 43:1, 43:5, 46:1, identifiable [1] - 27:21 76:24, 77:3, 77:6, 55:16 Force [5] - 12:25, 18:2, 82:28, 82:30, 86:16, identified [1] - 93:20 77:10, 77:11, 77:14, 35:19, 69:22, 75:20 90:4, 90:7, 90:10, hear [4] - 6:23, 33:22, identify [2] - 68:26, 89:13 77:20, 78:9, 78:30, 47:19, 53:1 Forces [1] - 37:24 90:15, 90:19, 90:23, identities [1] - 71:24 79:13, 79:16, 79:19, heard [19] - 2:17, 32:25, forces [2] - 35:12, 48:4 90:26, 90:30, 91:2, identity [4] - 63:16, 79:20, 79:21, 79:24, 32:29, 43:29, 44:5, Ford [3] - 68:6, 74:11, 91:5, 91:8, 91:14, 63:19, 63:21, 71:18 80:2, 80:21, 80:25, 57:30, 60:18, 60:23, 78:4 91:20, 92:16, 92:23, ill [1] - 48:27 80:26, 81:12 60:25, 61:3, 62:15, fore [1] - 37:6 92:25, 94:22, 95:25, illness [8] - 39:2, 39:17, Garda/RUC [1] - 70:24 70:17, 75:7, 76:20, forecourt [2] - 19:4, 97:12, 97:13 40:11, 41:5, 41:7, Gardai [1] - 69:22 87:28, 94:8, 94:20, 24:13 Granada [5] - 68:9, 72:28, 41:24, 41:25, 41:26 gardaí [4] - 56:28, 71:6, 94:28, 97:25 foreknowledge [1] - 71:5 78:5, 78:15, 80:19 ILO [1] - 73:2 77:2, 99:30 hearing [4] - 7:10, 9:6, foremost [2] - 19:12, 21:2 grateful [2] - 54:16, 99:16 immediate [2] - 70:30, garden [1] - 98:4 25:26, 33:28 forget [2] - 37:26, 37:27 grave [1] - 56:5 93:19 Garden [1] - 1:8 hearings [1] - 33:18 forgetting [1] - 49:14 greatly [1] - 72:2 immediately [7] - 23:5,
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30th May 2013 - Day 131 7
29:26, 70:19, 76:21, 97:24, 98:12, 99:4 55:13 72:24, 73:29, 74:8, last [3] - 45:3, 62:17, 93:20, 94:23, 99:27 informed [3] - 49:10, interrupting [1] - 58:18 74:10, 74:26, 74:28, 79:17 imparting [1] - 18:11 69:17, 97:23 interviewed [1] - 33:13 74:30, 75:1, 75:6, late [3] - 1:6, 10:26, 28:7 impending [2] - 14:11, informer [1] - 29:20 introduced [2] - 75:29, 75:29, 75:30, 76:12, latter [1] - 67:25 14:17 ingredient [1] - 5:29 92:26 76:15 launch [1] - 30:13 implicit [1] - 32:14 initials [1] - 97:17 investigate [2] - 41:15, judge [2] - 49:30, 68:18 LAWLOR [1] - 65:7 important [10] - 17:9, injured [1] - 71:1 49:3 Judge's [7] - 70:1, 70:9, lead [2] - 70:1, 76:2 19:6, 20:25, 21:3, injuries [3] - 45:27, investigated [1] - 21:27 70:25, 70:29, 71:5, leaders [1] - 49:2 28:24, 31:18, 32:10, 59:26, 70:27 investigation [4] - 27:22, 71:7, 71:8 leaf [2] - 26:24, 60:16 32:30, 89:4, 94:21 inner [2] - 20:15 41:9, 41:12, 72:9 Judges [1] - 21:1 leak [19] - 14:1, 14:3, impose [1] - 53:21 inquire [1] - 90:13 invited [3] - 41:10, 41:13, July [3] - 2:18, 81:27, 15:8, 15:11, 15:16, imposed [1] - 12:16 inquiries [4] - 29:19, 82:21 82:22 15:20, 16:8, 16:19, improper [1] - 7:27 45:14, 53:8, 53:10 involved [6] - 8:26, 13:3, junction [1] - 80:4 17:2, 17:9, 17:26, in/... [1] - 80:19 inquiry [3] - 3:9, 10:8, 37:16, 47:11, 71:1, June [1] - 82:18 17:30, 18:1, 18:8, inability [1] - 11:1 12:7 89:21 jurisdiction [2] - 21:2, 18:11, 18:15, 55:18 inadequacies [1] - 55:24 Inquiry [8] - 3:10, 6:11, IRA [39] - 2:9, 2:25, 14:1, 72:4 leaked [9] - 14:21, 14:22, incident [7] - 24:21, 8:4, 8:11, 10:14, 11:30, 14:4, 15:28, 16:12, just.. [1] - 58:30 14:25, 15:2, 15:3, 24:25, 28:9, 38:25, 34:15, 92:15 16:13, 16:14, 16:29, Justice [9] - 65:20, 66:26, 15:14, 16:4, 16:12, 60:6, 70:6, 70:23 inserted [1] - 4:19 17:1, 17:26, 17:28, 67:4, 67:13, 68:30, 16:13 including [5] - 21:21, inside [2] - 70:21, 76:23 18:25, 19:8, 19:10, 69:1, 73:8, 73:10, 81:22 leaking [1] - 16:8 34:28, 36:14, 43:4, insofar [4] - 21:26, 29:2, 19:22, 21:5, 22:21, leaks [2] - 33:22, 72:7 44:15 38:28, 93:27 24:9, 25:2, 25:19, 26:5, K learned [5] - 2:14, 25:16, inconsistency [2] - inspected [1] - 84:6 26:15, 26:28, 28:4, 25:29, 61:1, 67:12 keep [2] - 49:14, 55:10 50:26, 51:1 Inspector [3] - 11:29, 29:16, 29:18, 29:29, least [3] - 3:18, 5:1, 12:26 keeping [2] - 31:5, 31:13 inconvenience [1] - 82:3 21:21, 22:1 35:22, 35:23, 59:21, leave [11] - 4:12, 12:7, Kelly [2] - 72:13 incorporated [1] - 100:27 instant [2] - 64:7, 68:2 59:24, 60:11, 62:7, 22:10, 29:12, 29:13, kept [2] - 78:3, 80:29 incorrect [1] - 51:4 instruct [1] - 45:13 62:27, 63:13, 71:3, 89:6 38:13, 63:20, 63:22, Kevin [1] - 47:26 increased [1] - 2:19 instructed [7] - 13:21, Ireland [8] - 29:12, 37:20, 64:13, 95:15, 99:12 kidnap [2] - 61:26, 62:7 indeed [3] - 29:1, 30:21, 21:11, 38:10, 42:28, 49:8, 68:4, 68:18, leaving [2] - 45:29, 84:9 kidnapped [4] - 59:21, 43:29 42:30, 53:28, 56:3 69:13, 70:21, 75:10 led [5] - 15:8, 37:21, 60:11, 60:19, 61:23 independence [1] - 13:5 instructions [9] - 13:25, Irish [1] - 70:6 74:13, 76:4, 98:3 kidnapping [1] - 61:22 independent [3] - 9:6, 13:27, 40:16, 45:15, issue [6] - 33:1, 36:14, left [13] - 19:16, 23:14, 9:10, 31:20 45:16, 48:3, 49:15, 39:16, 82:24, 82:30, Kildare [1] - 7:5 23:24, 24:1, 24:6, kill [1] - 28:28 independently [2] - 55:9, 59:8 88:23 26:11, 42:10, 68:22, killed [1] - 2:7 11:13, 11:14 insulting [1] - 21:9 issued [1] - 47:5 77:14, 77:22, 79:24, Killeen [9] - 2:6, 24:24, indicate [6] - 84:16, 85:5, integrity [1] - 52:13 issuing [1] - 99:8 80:4 66:27, 68:5, 69:3, 85:7, 86:14, 92:17, intelligence [35] - 2:18, it" [1] - 98:4 left-hand [1] - 68:22 92:26 3:3, 5:17, 5:19, 15:10, it'd [2] - 40:20, 42:4 70:26, 77:16, 78:26, legal [2] - 33:6, 65:25 81:7 indicated [12] - 67:16, 17:27, 17:28, 18:4, item [1] - 18:12 legitimate [1] - 54:2 82:25, 84:28, 92:4, 18:12, 21:29, 24:28, Item [1] - 38:17 killing [1] - 28:27 length [2] - 38:13, 53:6 92:5, 92:10, 93:17, 25:6, 26:4, 26:17, items [2] - 19:2, 98:9 King's [2] - 77:23, 80:5 lengthy [1] - 72:6 96:17, 97:17, 97:20, 26:20, 27:15, 27:16, itinerary [2] - 70:9, 71:6 Kinlough [1] - 79:21 letter [5] - 84:23, 84:24, 97:30, 99:2 29:18, 29:21, 29:24, itself [3] - 20:20, 82:27, know" [1] - 17:17 84:29, 85:2, 86:8 indicates [5] - 70:25, 40:21, 40:23, 40:24, 86:24 knowing [1] - 79:5 lettering [1] - 93:7 73:1, 84:17, 89:19, 98:2 40:25, 72:7, 84:9, IXI [4] - 67:22, 67:23, knowledge [6] - 14:17, letterings [1] - 93:10 indication [2] - 2:30, 9:15 84:19, 87:12, 92:25, 72:26, 78:4 15:28, 32:24, 79:4, letters [3] - 83:22, 84:12, indifference [1] - 11:1 93:1, 94:9, 94:14, 86:15, 93:5 86:7 known [15] - 26:18, 37:3, indiscretion [1] - 71:28 94:15, 94:20 J level [7] - 2:19, 29:21, individual [3] - 18:12, intend [3] - 45:20, 45:29, 37:14, 63:8, 71:9, 54:4, 58:8, 92:23, 94:15 January [1] - 12:2 71:19, 84:17, 84:20, 29:12, 92:24 65:22 liable [1] - 79:6 Jeffrey [13] - 35:25, 84:24, 85:8, 86:8, 86:9, individuals [1] - 89:5 intended [2] - 69:27, 72:6 liaison [1] - 66:1 47:14, 47:15, 47:17, 88:27, 90:17, 90:20 inference [2] - 21:6, intense [2] - 16:23, 27:27 Liaison [2] - 69:7, 72:18 47:19, 47:20, 47:29, knows [1] - 53:16 42:24 intention [1] - 11:19 liar [1] - 54:26 47:30, 48:2, 48:19, information [50] - 15:4, intercept [1] - 92:30 libelous [1] - 36:30 48:21, 49:5 15:20, 15:22, 16:9, intercepted [1] - 20:22 L liberty [1] - 38:18 job [4] - 19:28, 19:30, 18:16, 26:14, 55:18, interest [5] - 28:5, 30:20, lie [1] - 8:26 22:7, 22:9 labour [1] - 18:13 58:13, 60:12, 61:19, 34:26, 37:12, 71:6 life [2] - 43:25, 48:30 John [2] - 40:6, 63:3 laced [1] - 35:9 62:21, 62:25, 62:26, interested [2] - 19:8, light [2] - 77:27, 80:8 joined [1] - 79:1 lacking [1] - 95:5 67:4, 67:5, 69:15, 96:30 likely [1] - 93:23 Jonesboro [1] - 26:13 ladies [2] - 74:20, 75:5 70:24, 71:8, 72:18, interesting [1] - 21:30 line [6] - 20:12, 52:8, journalistic [1] - 37:11 lady [1] - 76:18 73:2, 73:6, 84:29, 85:4, interests [1] - 31:7 53:18, 63:4, 80:17, journey [2] - 70:6, 71:9 Lady [3] - 65:20, 71:16, 85:15, 85:16, 86:9, internal [2] - 12:15 86:30 journeys [1] - 71:17 73:10 86:24, 87:18, 87:23, international [1] - 66:1 lines [1] - 52:22 Judge [27] - 68:2, 69:9, laid [1] - 4:25 88:5, 88:6, 89:24, 90:4, International [2] - 69:6, linked [1] - 65:28 language [1] - 55:24 90:21, 90:29, 90:30, 69:12, 69:16, 69:19, 72:18 list [10] - 6:29, 33:24, 69:25, 69:26, 69:28, large [4] - 23:3, 77:28, 91:6, 91:23, 91:29, interpretation [2] - 18:20, 42:7, 42:10, 42:20, 70:11, 70:15, 71:9, 78:21, 81:5 93:9, 93:14, 94:7, 18:23 42:22, 42:23, 44:14, 71:25, 72:3, 72:18, Larne [1] - 71:10 94:22, 94:28, 96:3, interpretations [1] - 63:25, 63:30
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30th May 2013 - Day 131 8 listen [5] - 42:26, 43:5, 10:22, 20:6, 21:23, meat [2] - 78:22, 81:5 92:24, 94:2, 94:4 movements [6] - 2:15, 47:23, 54:15, 63:11 21:24, 23:2, 23:9, medical [3] - 41:29, mightn't [1] - 34:4 67:4, 71:29, 72:6, listened [2] - 32:5, 41:27 26:11, 29:8, 29:26, 41:30, 59:8 mile [2] - 70:21, 76:23 72:19, 73:10 listening [3] - 6:14, 35:28, 37:16, 38:29, medium [5] - 84:1, 85:20, mileage [1] - 4:14 moving [1] - 64:7 34:24, 42:27 39:22, 40:28, 48:20, 87:6, 87:7, 87:25 military [1] - 53:21 MR [45] - 1:6, 2:1, 2:3, Liverpool [5] - 68:3, 49:4, 49:6, 57:9, 57:21, meet [14] - 5:17, 20:28, MILLS [1] - 64:2 5:30, 13:8, 13:15, 69:11, 69:24, 71:10, 61:30, 62:2, 62:21, 20:29, 22:18, 22:25, Mills [13] - 14:8, 14:14, 13:17, 13:19, 17:8, 72:25 62:25, 63:16, 69:18, 35:25, 44:4, 56:4, 26:23, 38:18, 50:17, 17:13, 17:15, 17:21, lobby [2] - 23:19, 24:4 98:19 56:29, 57:9, 62:6, 51:19, 52:7, 63:30, 32:14, 32:21, 33:30, local [3] - 40:19, 77:1, managed [1] - 20:21 69:19, 73:29, 74:7 66:9, 66:22, 83:16, 38:8, 43:28, 58:20, 94:15 manner [2] - 3:8, 71:29 meeting [9] - 26:26, 95:30, 97:15 59:2, 59:10, 59:18, locations [1] - 5:18 manpower [1] - 27:25 33:13, 33:17, 35:26, mind [10] - 4:21, 13:26, 62:17, 63:30, 64:2, locked [2] - 23:5, 23:9 March [4] - 9:1, 16:20, 54:2, 54:21, 56:27, 62:2 21:2, 21:10, 37:25, 64:4, 64:15, 65:3, 65:7, locking [1] - 20:19 25:12, 98:10 meetings [2] - 40:27, 38:18, 42:28, 47:10, 65:14, 66:7, 66:13, lodge [1] - 54:6 marked [2] - 38:21, 67:11 93:27 49:17, 55:17 66:19, 81:29, 82:2, lodged [1] - 9:21 maroon [2] - 74:1, 75:24 member [21] - 9:25, mindful [1] - 35:14 82:11, 82:16, 83:7, log [1] - 6:24 Martin [2] - 77:10, 79:13 12:22, 16:14, 18:2, mine [1] - 19:1 98:19, 98:27, 99:21, logbook [2] - 4:12, 4:13 Marty [1] - 81:16 20:8, 31:24, 32:8, Mini [5] - 74:19, 74:24, 99:25, 100:10, 100:16, 100:24, 101:3 logs [1] - 3:14 mate [1] - 35:27 34:30, 35:18, 36:10, 75:4, 76:9, 76:17 Mr... [1] - 42:5 London [1] - 49:2 matter [20] - 8:18, 11:22, 54:7, 63:13, 73:23, minutes [6] - 26:12, 38:1, MS [1] - 13:13 look [14] - 22:7, 37:14, 11:23, 11:28, 30:19, 75:20, 77:6, 78:7, 100:17, 100:18, 100:29 43:4, 44:6, 44:7, 44:12, 38:16, 44:17, 44:22, 78:23, 79:16, 80:22, miscellaneous [1] - Mullingar [1] - 7:5 51:20, 81:9, 86:7, 46:4, 47:18, 53:16, 81:3 65:15 Mulroy [1] - 7:5 90:15, 91:16, 91:18, 62:17, 62:18, 65:29, members [24] - 8:26, misdeeds [1] - 7:3 Murder [3] - 4:10, 9:26, 94:23, 94:29 94:10, 98:3, 98:21, 8:29, 18:26, 20:12, misfortune [1] - 22:15 69:1 look-out [1] - 81:9 98:24, 99:17, 99:25 21:20, 26:27, 30:30, missed [1] - 26:10 murder [3] - 21:27, 35:12, looked [3] - 19:25, 44:18, matters [24] - 5:8, 6:1, 31:2, 33:13, 34:27, missing [2] - 31:28, 80:17 41:12 76:20 7:1, 8:6, 13:22, 13:25, 35:6, 37:14, 43:26, mission [1] - 42:2 murders [7] - 14:4, 15:8, 52:14, 70:9, 70:12, looking [3] - 21:15, 13:27, 20:14, 38:9, mistake [1] - 50:19 29:7, 47:11, 52:26, 70:13, 70:15, 70:19, 22:21, 26:29 38:10, 44:6, 44:7, mistaken [2] - 51:12, 61:1, 65:19 70:22, 77:1, 77:12, lookout [3] - 78:4, 78:14, 44:25, 58:23, 58:24, 60:30 must [6] - 14:21, 14:22, 91:24 78:28 59:3, 59:18, 64:12, mix [1] - 5:29 15:1, 16:4, 35:13, 72:5 members' [3] - 83:26, loose [3] - 14:8, 26:24, 65:15, 65:16, 92:16, modus [1] - 22:21 Must [1] - 14:25 96:5, 99:16 84:6, 87:3 60:16 moment [3] - 19:22, memory [5] - 46:4, 58:16, Lord [4] - 65:19, 69:1, Maurice [4] - 68:2, 69:1, 58:16, 65:8 N 69:10, 72:24 96:4, 96:9, 96:26 73:10, 81:22 Monaghan [4] - 49:24, men [18] - 2:7, 2:8, 2:20, name [18] - 30:17, 34:20, lorries [2] - 77:28, 80:10 MAY [2] - 1:1, 101:12 51:23, 57:17, 98:8 7:7, 19:15, 20:4, 20:7, 34:23, 35:22, 35:26, loud [1] - 76:20 McAnulty [3] - 62:22, Monday [5] - 16:24, 62:26, 63:4 22:13, 22:26, 24:22, 36:19, 36:22, 36:23, Loughgall [5] - 28:5, 16:26, 26:10, 27:27, 31:27, 32:6, 33:24, 37:8, 37:13, 44:1, 48:2, 28:9, 28:16, 28:20, McArdle [1] - 79:21 40:18 41:12, 41:13, 41:14, 62:20, 63:27, 71:16, 29:19 McCabe [8] - 20:3, 67:1, Mondays [3] - 26:9, 53:25 78:8, 78:24, 81:3 Louth [4] - 30:30, 31:23, 67:10, 67:29, 68:15, 27:30, 28:1 mention [4] - 48:21, named [4] - 37:2, 37:5, 70:7, 77:7 68:21, 73:9 money [1] - 44:30 65:10, 98:21, 99:19 37:6, 44:19 Louth/Meath [5] - 57:14, McCann [1] - 21:24 month [3] - 8:13, 28:1, mentioned [6] - 21:30, namely [1] - 39:19 57:20, 67:1, 70:8, 73:16 McConville [16] - 81:26, 54:3 35:26, 44:13, 46:29, names [4] - 36:22, 58:1, low [2] - 84:1, 87:6 83:8, 83:10, 83:20, months [5] - 15:30, 18:7, 88:21, 90:11, 92:2, 47:26, 61:8 67:15, 68:26 lower [2] - 90:10, 97:13 24:13, 25:27, 54:4 92:6, 92:9, 95:16, merely [2] - 9:4, 32:27 narrative [1] - 96:28 lowest [8] - 86:25, 89:17, moot [1] - 82:24 95:19, 95:22, 97:8, merged [1] - 45:12 narrowed [1] - 16:24 90:29, 91:5, 91:8, morning [7] - 40:29, 61:2, message [12] - 44:9, national [2] - 96:27, 91:14, 91:19, 97:11 97:10, 98:5, 98:19 69:11, 77:30, 84:7, McConville's [1] - 98:16 48:11, 48:14, 67:8, 96:29 LUNCH [2] - 64:20, 65:1 99:18, 101:8 McMahon [4] - 9:22, 9:25, 67:9, 67:11, 67:22, natural [1] - 34:9 lying [1] - 46:13 morning's [1] - 98:30 9:29, 10:21 67:28, 67:30, 68:12, nature [3] - 11:23, 32:28, most [7] - 21:9, 27:30, 68:14, 73:11 93:12 meal [2] - 81:11 34:9, 35:2, 93:1, 93:21, M messenger [1] - 48:12 Navan [1] - 42:12 mean [29] - 15:5, 15:16, 94:21 [4] 18:13, 33:19, 35:6, met [6] - 22:13, 37:14, near [1] - 77:23 machinery - 12:24, Mostyn [12] - 67:16, 56:6, 66:30, 76:24, necessarily [4] - 85:13, 53:30, 57:22, 58:7 36:2, 36:23, 36:26, 69:22, 69:24, 73:27, 81:12 85:14, 91:11, 94:30 magazine [1] - 28:12 37:9, 41:7, 49:27, 74:7, 74:9, 74:27, Metro [3] - 74:19, 76:9, necessary [1] - 99:7 main [12] - 20:30, 37:27, 57:12, 59:11, 68:23, 74:29, 75:2, 75:12, 76:18 neck [1] - 35:11 74:16, 74:24, 76:7, 68:25, 84:22, 84:23, 75:17, 80:26 84:25, 85:13, 85:14, Metropolitan [1] - 67:23 need [1] - 63:18 77:25, 78:2, 78:18, motor [4] - 3:13, 3:24, needless [1] - 12:6 80:6, 80:13, 80:14, 86:12, 87:11, 90:7, MI5 [6] - 35:10, 36:11, 4:28, 73:27 90:10, 90:19, 91:11, 37:21, 47:19, 48:2, 48:3 needn't [1] - 4:21 80:29 mounted [1] - 26:5 94:19, 95:1, 95:4 middle [2] - 23:15, 86:22 needs [3] - 31:18, 31:19, maintaining [2] - 3:14, move [7] - 38:20, 44:24, 60:8 3:24 means [6] - 67:8, 84:24, might [15] - 5:14, 6:7, 49:19, 63:24, 73:19, negative [2] - 78:29, 81:9 majority [1] - 93:18 86:8, 91:10, 91:12, 95:7 6:30, 7:1, 11:7, 32:2, 75:18, 95:30 meant [2] - 38:28, 90:13 32:28, 35:30, 36:14, Nelson [1] - 92:15 male [1] - 75:26 movement [2] - 19:11, 44:27, 60:11, 64:15, nervous [4] - 39:6, 39:11, man [30] - 4:4, 4:11, 9:29, meantime [1] - 46:7 28:13
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30th May 2013 - Day 131 9
39:21, 39:23 7:17, 13:25, 14:8, 66:1 ordeal [1] - 59:20 Parliament [1] - 35:26 never [11] - 4:7, 12:3, 24:21, 26:24, 29:24, officer [13] - 44:1, 44:8, order [4] - 27:24, 78:25, part [16] - 2:14, 5:27, 21:4, 21:28, 34:10, 29:29, 52:5, 57:5, 44:12, 44:13, 49:29, 81:6, 99:8 8:26, 10:14, 19:28, 34:29, 37:14, 40:5, 60:15, 66:29, 67:18, 49:30, 62:20, 86:10, organisation [1] - 88:7 25:26, 41:10, 41:13, 44:5, 54:18, 62:15 67:25, 68:7, 71:19, 87:14, 87:30, 89:23, organisations [1] - 41:20 41:15, 55:5, 73:19, nevertheless [2] - 16:2, 71:26, 72:5, 72:26, 92:15, 97:22 origin [1] - 71:2 83:7, 83:8, 83:11, 94:11 43:8 74:2, 74:11, 76:16, Officer [4] - 63:4, 63:8, original [2] - 35:11, 84:6 partially [1] - 29:2 new [1] - 80:7 77:18, 77:28, 78:4, 66:30, 67:2 originally [1] - 81:20 participate [1] - 41:18 Newry [9] - 77:15, 77:19, 78:14, 78:15, 78:21, officer' [1] - 97:16 originator [3] - 83:12, particular [4] - 19:23, 77:25, 78:18, 79:25, 79:29, 80:10, 82:29, officers [25] - 3:19, 14:12, 84:28, 96:22 20:2, 29:8, 93:26 79:30, 80:6, 80:13, 84:29, 85:3, 85:14, 14:25, 15:9, 16:4, originator' [1] - 96:25 particularly [1] - 95:26 80:29 87:29, 88:3, 88:13, 19:25, 20:27, 21:16, otherwise [2] - 12:13, parties [1] - 17:24 Newry-Dundalk [1] - 80:6 89:5, 90:10, 99:1, 99:9 23:1, 23:30, 24:29, 58:15 pass [6] - 18:14, 18:17, news [1] - 99:29 numbers [4] - 29:22, 29:9, 47:12, 52:25, outcome [2] - 7:19, 9:4 21:29, 74:22, 76:8, next [15] - 6:28, 17:11, 67:21, 83:22, 95:2 60:12, 61:2, 63:25, outlined [3] - 2:29, 10:19, 80:24 24:10, 34:22, 51:19, nutshell [1] - 35:13 67:2, 67:15, 67:20, 25:9 passage [1] - 53:26 52:7, 53:26, 53:27, 73:15, 73:16, 86:18, outlining [1] - 22:21 passed [6] - 63:4, 67:6, 68:28, 72:16, 75:16, O 89:29 outrage [2] - 14:1, 72:10 74:20, 74:21, 76:9, 81:25, 86:30, 101:3 official [2] - 3:23, 77:17 outset [3] - 13:19, 33:18, 76:10 O'Callaghan [14] - 42:6, nice [1] - 22:15 often [1] - 40:17 38:9 passenger [5] - 74:4, 59:20, 65:5, 65:7, nicknamed [1] - 38:30 OK [7] - 10:22, 25:8, 36:8, 74:5, 74:6, 75:27 81:30, 88:18, 88:19, outside [4] - 42:12, 54:6, Nigel [2] - 27:1, 27:2 41:17, 50:1, 55:8, 60:30 passing [8] - 15:10, 90:19, 95:14, 95:19, 76:8, 76:10 night [5] - 5:13, 5:18, Omeath [1] - 37:17 15:20, 15:22, 18:14, 97:23, 98:22, 98:29, outward [3] - 71:8, 71:17, 11:25, 40:26, 78:9 omitted [1] - 95:15 68:9, 77:19, 79:26, 99:23 71:26 nilly [1] - 22:13 ON [1] - 1:1 overall [3] - 43:17, 85:26, 79:27 O'CALLAGHAN [7] - nine [6] - 3:22, 4:27, 7:2, once [7] - 2:29, 12:9, past [2] - 38:3, 72:4 17:8, 17:15, 32:14, 97:13 7:12, 15:30, 18:7 27:17, 30:25, 39:22, Pat [4] - 35:12, 37:23, 82:2, 82:11, 92:2, 99:21 overhead [2] - 66:8, nobody [5] - 13:8, 23:7, 54:3, 60:27 83:17 44:16, 49:3 O'Callaghan's [2] - 27:28, 45:19, 51:29 one [57] - 3:26, 4:4, 4:11, path [1] - 98:4 97:11, 97:21 overhearing [1] - 88:9 Noel [9] - 8:5, 38:23, 5:6, 7:17, 7:25, 10:2, [1] patience [1] - 6:22 o'clock [9] - 20:4, 20:8, overriding - 20:30 38:27, 39:9, 42:1, 50:7, 10:30, 13:20, 15:23, patrol [12] - 5:12, 5:26, 37:28, 58:27, 59:2, oversight [1] - 42:9 54:24, 56:14 15:25, 17:26, 18:6, 6:3, 74:8, 74:9, 74:28, 59:19, 64:11, 64:13, overtake [1] - 70:1 Nolan [8] - 3:18, 9:26, 18:11, 18:12, 18:14, 75:2, 75:8, 77:15, 101:8 Owen [6] - 31:1, 31:24, 9:30, 10:24, 10:29, 18:16, 22:20, 22:27, 79:24, 80:12, 81:4 O'Connell [1] - 35:29 33:7, 33:28, 48:30, 11:8, 22:6, 40:7 23:4, 24:10, 24:14, patrolled [3] - 79:30, O'Sullivan [1] - 92:4 96:19 nominated [1] - 47:11 26:11, 28:13, 29:8, 80:14, 80:29 O'SULLIVAN [1] - 13:13 OWEN [1] - 2:1 33:25, 35:2, 37:16, non [1] - 21:24 own [19] - 10:11, 17:27, pause [1] - 72:30 object [1] - 43:13 41:8, 42:9, 43:19, non-Special [1] - 21:24 17:28, 22:14, 22:26, pedalling [1] - 37:22 objecting [1] - 99:1 44:12, 44:20, 44:22, nonsense [1] - 6:14 30:21, 31:20, 32:3, penalties [1] - 12:16 objection [1] - 82:26 44:24, 47:4, 47:5, nonsensical [1] - 54:8 32:24, 35:7, 43:14, people [22] - 1:7, 5:17, obliging [1] - 46:2 50:30, 52:14, 54:17, normal [4] - 77:29, 80:11, 44:1, 51:9, 52:17, 9:6, 12:28, 12:29, 13:5, observation [1] - 2:9 59:2, 59:19, 61:17, 80:12, 80:15 57:20, 69:12, 83:7, 13:6, 15:30, 19:18, observations [1] - 99:1 64:12, 80:25, 83:13, north [5] - 70:18, 78:11, 92:10 20:25, 22:1, 22:3, 31:5, observe [1] - 77:24 78:26, 79:26, 81:7 87:7, 88:7, 94:20, 31:20, 34:25, 36:13, observed [4] - 70:9, 94:21, 95:14, 98:3, North [12] - 29:12, 49:8, 41:26, 68:26, 72:5, 75:24, 76:15, 76:17 P 57:5, 69:20, 73:28, 99:9, 100:5, 100:10, 88:3, 89:21, 98:3 observer [1] - 79:30 100:11 74:1, 74:14, 75:23, p.m [3] - 69:5, 73:3, 77:8 perfectly [2] - 32:18, 82:8 obtained [2] - 91:23, ones [1] - 14:8 75:24, 76:5, 77:27, 80:8 page [14] - 4:5, 39:3, perform [1] - 39:10 91:24 onwards [1] - 38:13 Northern [6] - 37:20, 50:18, 50:20, 51:19, performed [2] - 39:9, obvious [2] - 16:6, 91:8 68:4, 68:18, 69:13, open [4] - 20:16, 23:4, 51:20, 52:7, 52:22, 73:15 obviously [7] - 24:11, 70:21, 75:10 32:17, 47:10 70:4, 71:22, 72:16, 96:1 perhaps [8] - 6:7, 7:1, 73:10, 89:4, 89:17, northern [1] - 78:13 opening [2] - 78:8, 80:23 paid [4] - 35:5, 35:24, 10:25, 33:5, 92:13, 93:7, 96:24, 96:30 northwards [1] - 80:24 openly [2] - 34:11, 35:21 42:14, 68:9 92:16, 93:11 occasion [2] - 35:8, 68:10 not.. [1] - 58:16 operandi [1] - 22:21 painted [1] - 9:26 period [5] - 19:26, 25:3, occasions [1] - 12:21 note [7] - 26:25, 26:26, operating [1] - 16:21 paintings [1] - 38:24 25:5, 40:25, 72:6 occupants [7] - 19:9, 68:22, 71:6, 72:16, operation [6] - 25:3, 26:5, papers [3] - 28:11, 37:4, person [16] - 15:23, 27:11, 27:14, 28:21, 72:17, 78:13 28:26, 45:4, 54:1, 57:8 68:14 15:25, 16:8, 18:14, 76:9, 76:18, 80:26 noted [2] - 67:20, 67:24 operations [2] - 52:30, paragraph [7] - 67:9, 18:15, 18:16, 18:17, occurred [3] - 6:2, 6:9, notes [3] - 29:7, 29:25, 70:24 67:28, 67:29, 68:17, 30:29, 31:8, 61:17, 61:22 60:2 operative [2] - 73:19, 68:19, 75:18 84:18, 87:18, 87:23, odd [1] - 27:29 nothing [7] - 12:9, 12:22, 75:18 parallel [1] - 45:11 88:6 odds [1] - 4:24 39:24, 52:15, 55:6, opinion [8] - 12:18, parcel [1] - 10:14 personal [9] - 29:10, OF [2] - 1:1, 101:12 96:4, 101:7 13:30, 14:3, 15:8, 24:6, pardon [3] - 14:2, 52:28, 29:14, 30:21, 39:28, offer [2] - 30:7, 30:9 notice [1] - 11:19 32:6, 42:30, 47:30 60:24 41:19, 45:10, 47:6, offering [1] - 30:10 noticed [3] - 74:19, opportunity [3] - 30:16, Park [3] - 1:8, 78:5, 80:20 52:17 Office [4] - 9:10, 23:26, 74:22, 74:24 30:25, 34:20 parked [6] - 23:8, 70:28, personalities [1] - 41:6 69:7, 72:18 November [2] - 3:11, 7:10 opposite [1] - 57:5 77:28, 77:30, 80:9, personality [2] - 40:11, office [3] - 23:11, 23:16, number [43] - 3:12, 6:8, options [2] - 87:7, 93:13 80:10 41:25
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30th May 2013 - Day 131 10 personally [1] - 85:9 Port [2] - 78:21, 81:2 proceeding [1] - 8:24 Q realised [1] - 46:14 personnel [2] - 11:2, 21:1 portion [4] - 26:26, 83:24, proceedings [1] - 58:4 reality [1] - 44:19 persons [2] - 71:1, 78:1 87:1, 100:11 processed [2] - 62:21, qualified [1] - 41:26 really [10] - 3:17, 84:26, perusing [1] - 29:25 pose [1] - 89:9 63:5 qualitative [1] - 95:30 84:27, 87:13, 88:1, petrol [1] - 5:11 posed [1] - 92:24 produce [1] - 37:18 quality [9] - 84:13, 84:15, 88:24, 88:30, 91:3, 94:6 Phoblacht [1] - 28:12 position [10] - 24:13, produced [1] - 28:12 84:27, 84:29, 86:10, rear [2] - 6:4, 75:27 Phoenix [1] - 1:7 39:5, 41:27, 43:5, 51:6, professionals [1] - 37:22 90:23, 90:28, 91:5, reason [9] - 12:24, 36:22, phone [4] - 4:30, 31:8, 54:24, 58:8, 61:14, profile [1] - 28:17 92:25 44:25, 48:24, 57:25, 31:9, 93:12 61:19, 70:2 prominent [1] - 63:13 quarter [1] - 38:3 60:18, 82:4, 89:3, 96:15 photocopied [1] - 28:4 possession [1] - 29:4 propagate [1] - 48:8 questioned [1] - 17:19 reasonable [2] - 41:5, photocopy [1] - 67:9 possible [8] - 38:29, 40:9, proper [1] - 83:1 questioning [1] - 13:6 82:8 photocopying [1] - 28:3 40:25, 72:8, 90:30, properties [3] - 42:7, questions [12] - 2:3, reasons [4] - 46:21, photograph [3] - 28:7, 91:5, 95:1, 96:13 42:23, 43:13 13:13, 13:15, 21:7, 46:29, 96:27 28:11, 93:21 possibly [1] - 97:27 property [7] - 42:20, 21:8, 21:11, 32:7, 86:2, reassured [1] - 32:29 photographs [1] - 93:11 Post [13] - 70:7, 70:16, 42:25, 43:2, 43:6, 92:4, 92:5, 97:7, 99:2 recalled [1] - 29:8 picked [3] - 26:18, 26:20, 70:17, 74:25, 75:7, 43:27, 45:8, 45:11 questions" [1] - 97:30 receipt [2] - 40:24, 69:14 61:11 76:11, 76:20, 77:21, proposal [3] - 11:6, quicker [1] - 6:20 receive [2] - 18:15, 18:18 picture [1] - 22:17 77:26, 77:28, 79:20, 11:10, 11:11 quite [4] - 26:14, 27:13, received [19] - 41:2, piece [2] - 83:3, 94:27 80:2, 80:7 proposed [1] - 82:20 43:18, 53:17 49:20, 59:23, 62:22, PIRA/INLA [4] - 83:26, potential [3] - 29:30, proposing [1] - 63:27 quotation [1] - 92:22 62:25, 63:3, 67:5, 69:6, 84:6, 87:2, 91:24 32:11, 88:22 prosecution [1] - 79:6 quote [1] - 96:24 71:8, 72:20, 73:2, 73:6, place [3] - 3:10, 3:11, potentially [2] - 88:28, Prosecutions [1] - 8:20 82:28, 84:30, 85:4, 22:9 91:30 protection [3] - 20:30, R 85:9, 85:25, 90:29, placed [1] - 21:7 prearranged [1] - 70:11 22:14, 63:15 97:24 R.J [1] - 66:14 plain [1] - 15:21 precision [1] - 71:4 Protection [3] - 69:8, receiving [2] - 84:18, radio [4] - 3:24, 5:1, 5:3, plainclothes [2] - 2:8, preferred [1] - 12:23 69:16, 79:20 94:14 70:10 2:20 prejudge [1] - 53:24 proud [1] - 12:23 reception [3] - 19:18, Rafferty [4] - 14:10, 16:3, plainer [1] - 44:30 preliminary [1] - 82:19 proved [2] - 7:15, 27:24 20:11, 23:25 17:5, 17:19 plan [2] - 23:18, 28:28 premises [1] - 64:7 provide [2] - 72:3, 82:5 recognise [1] - 74:5 raise [3] - 13:25, 15:18, play [2] - 100:4, 100:20 prepare [1] - 6:18 provided [5] - 2:24, 66:9, recognised [1] - 80:25 38:10 played [2] - 100:22, 101:1 prepared [5] - 65:19, 69:16, 77:9, 96:3 recollect [1] - 24:25 raised [7] - 11:28, 13:28, 82:26, 91:4, 91:13, providing [4] - 63:2, 68:8, recollection [4] - 23:18, pleasant [1] - 13:26 19:24, 28:17, 33:2, 98:10 87:18, 87:23 46:4, 58:14, 93:24 pleasure [2] - 40:2, 40:6 39:16, 44:26 point [50] - 11:12, 12:20, present [4] - 35:27, Provisional [2] - 2:25, recommended [1] - 9:26 ran [1] - 6:24 14:13, 14:16, 17:21, 50:14, 56:15, 56:17 71:3 reconcile [2] - 39:18, range [1] - 93:13 17:30, 18:13, 19:6, presided [1] - 7:4 PSNI [3] - 65:20, 81:26, 54:22 ranges [1] - 93:8 19:23, 24:5, 24:12, President [1] - 9:8 88:27 record [9] - 5:19, 43:4, rank [5] - 21:17, 21:19, 27:23, 28:24, 30:23, press [3] - 20:12, 32:9, pub [1] - 88:10 43:5, 65:23, 66:2, 66:4, 22:1, 22:3, 52:15 31:17, 31:18, 31:28, 99:26 Public [2] - 8:20, 23:26 81:29, 82:21, 92:17 ranking [2] - 29:9, 34:27 32:10, 32:30, 36:25, pressure [1] - 41:7 public [12] - 20:13, 23:19, recorded [2] - 2:19, 94:30 rare [1] - 16:25 37:27, 41:21, 41:24, presumed [1] - 78:15 34:30, 71:28, 72:6, recording [3] - 17:18, rarely [1] - 27:30 42:19, 46:26, 51:9, presuming [1] - 97:12 78:7, 78:23, 80:22, 87:14, 93:21 rather [5] - 10:12, 38:29, 54:14, 54:16, 54:17, prevent [1] - 23:6 81:3, 88:21, 89:8, 95:23 records [1] - 71:15 48:11, 53:29, 63:18 54:27, 55:27, 60:8, previous [6] - 16:20, publicly [1] - 89:14 recovered [2] - 46:15 Ravensdale [1] - 78:20 63:22, 64:4, 64:9, 25:10, 26:9, 26:10, pulled [1] - 74:17 recruited [2] - 36:11, re [4] - 64:11, 82:20, 97:7, 69:30, 70:20, 75:1, 40:4, 87:22 pure [1] - 12:24 41:16 99:15 75:4, 75:9, 76:23, 89:3, previously [3] - 37:13, purely [3] - 36:30, 41:19, red [1] - 74:26 RE [1] - 13:17 92:24, 95:8, 95:10, 99:8 86:10, 100:27 97:17 redacted [14] - 66:28, re-examination [2] - pointed [1] - 74:10 principal [1] - 82:29 purpose [3] - 4:1, 28:27, 74:2, 74:4, 76:25, 78:8, 64:11, 97:7 pointing [2] - 57:22, principles [1] - 44:11 35:10 78:24, 80:22, 81:4, RE-EXAMINED [1] - 72:30 prison [1] - 37:19 purposes [1] - 36:30 83:25, 87:1, 96:5, 13:17 points [2] - 37:12 prisoners [1] - 35:1 pursue [1] - 63:21 96:14, 96:27, 97:18 re-read [1] - 82:20 Police [1] - 67:23 private [10] - 29:4, 29:7, pushed [1] - 41:8 redacted] [3] - 67:19, re-visit [1] - 99:15 police [3] - 44:7, 44:11, 33:18, 33:27, 42:17, put [36] - 4:15, 7:21, 7:25, 74:3, 75:26 reached [1] - 75:7 86:10 43:25, 45:21, 45:26, 9:18, 14:9, 14:10, redactions [3] - 82:20, reaching [1] - 70:14 policeman [3] - 27:1, 47:4, 82:18 16:18, 26:23, 29:30, 82:23, 82:29 read [22] - 14:30, 17:10, 27:4 privileges [1] - 71:25 30:12, 32:21, 34:21, reduced [2] - 29:22, 18:28, 36:15, 41:27, policemen [1] - 34:4 probe [1] - 42:17 38:22, 38:23, 39:2, 29:29 50:10, 50:12, 54:26, politest [1] - 50:27 problem [7] - 11:4, 36:18, 41:4, 43:29, 44:14, refer [1] - 17:30 65:22, 66:2, 66:4, political [7] - 35:9, 36:5, 40:5, 40:13, 53:22, 44:16, 44:23, 48:10, reference [3] - 10:10, 66:20, 76:26, 81:29, 36:6, 36:30, 53:21, 67:16 50:26, 50:30, 51:9, 65:18, 87:22 82:20, 82:21, 83:7, 53:22 procedure [1] - 13:4 51:15, 52:23, 60:8, referred [4] - 8:19, 8:30, 83:8, 87:21, 92:14, politicians [1] - 36:15 procedures [2] - 13:2, 63:1, 66:29, 83:1, 36:1, 90:26 92:16 poor [4] - 6:13, 6:22, 58:7 83:30, 85:24, 94:3, referring [6] - 17:28, reading [1] - 83:2 7:24, 49:3 proceed [1] - 13:24 94:16, 97:7 18:1, 18:4, 44:9, 44:10, reads [1] - 66:23 Poplar [2] - 74:14, 76:5 proceeded [5] - 12:3, puts [2] - 47:8, 86:21 96:2 ready [1] - 1:4 port [3] - 78:23, 78:25, 13:23, 17:25, 69:28, putting [1] - 53:17 refers [1] - 36:26 real [1] - 60:18 81:4 70:6 puzzlement [1] - 34:2 reflect [1] - 97:2
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Smithwick Tribunal - 30th May 2013 - Day 131 11 refusal [1] - 99:14 Report [2] - 95:26, 95:29 Rosemary [1] - 92:15 security [15] - 5:8, 19:16, short [5] - 37:29, 59:18, refuse [2] - 46:22, 46:26 report [20] - 7:21, 8:7, rough [1] - 6:24 19:25, 21:16, 22:8, 64:9, 75:10, 99:26 refused [2] - 36:9, 36:17 8:10, 8:14, 8:23, 40:28, round [1] - 45:7 22:24, 48:4, 52:25, shortest [1] - 40:25 refusing [2] - 46:18, 40:30, 65:17, 65:18, route [3] - 26:8, 30:28, 53:3, 53:11, 75:24, shortly [1] - 10:16 48:24 67:15, 68:28, 72:17, 74:13 88:23, 89:7, 96:27, shot [1] - 49:3 reg [8] - 67:18, 68:7, 73:1, 73:7, 99:7, 99:29, Row [2] - 74:14, 76:5 96:29 Shovlin [4] - 67:17, 72:26, 74:2, 74:11, 100:3, 100:25, 101:3 Royal [1] - 69:8 Security [5] - 35:17, 69:22, 73:18, 75:23 76:16, 77:18, 78:4 reported [8] - 9:1, 40:18, rubbish [1] - 85:15 37:24, 40:29, 57:28, Show [1] - 1:8 regard [4] - 49:29, 59:11, 70:22, 75:12, 76:25, RUC [47] - 2:6, 2:8, 2:18, 75:20 show [1] - 71:15 84:16, 85:6 77:8, 77:10, 79:17 2:26, 3:3, 14:12, 19:25, see [41] - 5:20, 6:7, 14:10, shown [1] - 98:27 regarded [1] - 89:24 reporting [1] - 40:14 20:27, 21:1, 21:16, 17:22, 20:1, 21:19, shows [1] - 32:18 regarding [2] - 67:4, 78:9 reports [4] - 3:24, 41:28, 21:26, 23:1, 24:22, 23:7, 24:11, 25:14, sic [2] - 54:18, 81:27 registered [3] - 74:2, 41:29, 100:19 27:28, 29:3, 34:11, 26:23, 27:2, 27:13, sic) [1] - 82:18 75:25, 78:15 represented [2] - 8:5, 8:7 35:6, 37:14, 40:23, 39:16, 41:22, 48:6, sick [6] - 10:16, 11:14, registration [8] - 4:20, Republican [1] - 28:12 41:12, 44:1, 47:12, 48:7, 48:9, 50:8, 51:13, 12:1, 12:7, 38:13, 41:8 67:21, 71:16, 78:11, request [3] - 42:1, 50:2, 50:4, 53:23, 54:1, 53:20, 54:18, 56:9, sick-leave [2] - 12:7, 78:13, 78:14, 79:29, 81:30 54:20, 55:4, 56:19, 65:8, 67:9, 67:14, 38:13 80:24 requests [1] - 8:25 56:26, 56:29, 57:5, 67:19, 68:12, 68:16, side [4] - 19:21, 23:3, regular [2] - 4:6, 94:2 require [1] - 99:6 57:26, 57:29, 58:2, 70:20, 74:6, 75:9, 30:21, 44:24 76:22, 77:25, 77:30, regulations [1] - 12:6 requires [1] - 8:23 58:14, 61:2, 62:20, sight [1] - 80:30 80:6, 80:9, 86:21, 96:1, relate [6] - 4:27, 4:30, resent [1] - 40:14 62:22, 63:25, 69:16, sign [3] - 4:5, 4:14, 6:23 97:26, 100:13 83:29, 83:30, 84:12, residence [1] - 24:18 70:24, 71:12, 72:9, signed [10] - 4:14, 67:10, seeks [1] - 94:22 87:28 respect [3] - 9:27, 46:19, 72:24, 98:10 68:20, 72:12, 75:14, related [5] - 3:10, 3:12, 90:30 rumours [1] - 34:25 selected [3] - 35:6, 56:29 76:29, 77:9, 79:9, 41:6, 41:25, 67:2 response [2] - 97:20, running [1] - 45:11 selective [1] - 72:8 79:18, 81:16 send [1] - 10:23 relates [8] - 84:13, 85:2, 99:15 significant [2] - 11:16, 85:3, 85:22, 87:2, responsibility [1] - 71:3 S senior [2] - 44:1, 88:6 72:1 87:18, 87:26 result [10] - 7:15, 9:13, sense [1] - 48:20 silence [1] - 70:10 sad [1] - 48:7 relating [2] - 3:23, 60:12 9:15, 10:19, 10:21, sent [10] - 8:8, 8:9, 8:22, silver [1] - 79:28 safety [2] - 20:29, 52:17 10:21, 35:24, 47:19, relation [32] - 3:6, 3:13, 10:27, 12:27, 12:30, silver-coloured [1] - sake [1] - 40:17 3:14, 3:21, 3:25, 5:17, 15:10, 44:23 54:20, 98:7, 98:9 79:28 Santry [1] - 69:30 sentences [1] - 50:23 6:1, 7:27, 8:16, 8:17, resulting [1] - 11:1 similar [1] - 100:8 satisfied [4] - 15:7, 78:17, September [4] - 16:20, 8:21, 9:15, 10:7, 11:24, results [2] - 78:29, 81:10 simple [1] - 43:18 78:25, 80:28 19:4, 25:10, 71:14 12:16, 17:6, 29:9, resume [1] - 59:11 simply [2] - 60:9, 94:6 Saturday [6] - 68:2, 69:2, sequence [2] - 25:9, 67:3 38:24, 65:19, 81:21, RESUMED [2] - 1:1, 38:6 single [2] - 29:22, 30:1 69:11, 77:7, 77:30, Sergeant [8] - 20:5, 82:23, 84:5, 84:9, retired [3] - 11:15, 11:18, singled [4] - 33:19, 35:17, 79:17 86:24, 88:4, 88:12, 12:3 67:10, 68:23, 68:25, 35:18, 53:11 saved [1] - 34:15 76:25, 79:1, 81:12, 93:7, 93:26, 94:19, return [1] - 71:17 Siochana [6] - 12:22, saw [4] - 25:11, 74:1, 96:19 97:10, 98:4, 98:7 returned [6] - 70:19, 74:9, 15:13, 34:27, 48:5, 76:21, 80:23 relationship [2] - 40:9, 75:1, 78:1, 78:27, 81:8 serious [2] - 46:3, 59:26 54:1, 72:3 SB50 [13] - 83:11, 84:7, seriousness [1] - 48:18 57:23 revealed [1] - 91:30 sit [1] - 61:26 85:28, 85:29, 88:22, servant [1] - 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19:15, ring [5] - 19:17, 20:1, set [7] - 8:1, 8:26, 45:8, sketch [3] - 6:9, 6:18, 78:17, 80:27, 80:28 35:28, 37:23, 38:14, 20:2, 21:5, 84:1 46:8, 46:21, 52:25, 53:2 6:24 seat [1] - 75:27 38:25, 41:8, 42:6, ringed [3] - 83:21, 83:22 setting [3] - 8:15, 8:16, skirted [1] - 34:13 seated [1] - 66:5 42:10, 52:18, 53:5, rise [1] - 88:23 8:27 slide [1] - 97:16 second [10] - 26:23, 60:20, 62:23, 62:29, risk [1] - 71:28 Shed [2] - 77:23, 80:5 slight [1] - 21:4 68:18, 70:4, 73:1, 63:15, 63:16, 63:21, risky [2] - 5:14, 5:16 sheet [2] - 91:15, 91:20 slightly [1] - 47:8 100:1, 100:3, 100:5, 96:11 Road [14] - 74:15, 74:16, Sheets [1] - 6:30 small [3] - 6:4, 58:23, 100:11, 100:17, 100:25 reminds [1] - 11:6 76:6, 76:7, 77:15, Shelley [1] - 72:12 82:29 secondhand [2] - 85:7, remit [2] - 88:30, 89:11 77:20, 77:25, 78:18, Sheridan [8] - 77:3, 79:3, Smith [3] - 92:6, 93:4, 85:10 remote [1] - 70:29 79:25, 80:1, 80:13, 79:9, 79:19, 79:24, 95:22 secondly [3] - 97:15, remote-control [1] - 80:29 79:29, 80:22, 80:25 smoke [4] - 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45:17 20:22, 23:10, 23:28, strength [1] - 86:14 15:11, 16:23, 23:7, THEN [3] - 38:6, 64:20, solution [1] - 53:21 24:2, 24:5, 24:6, 63:12, stress [2] - 47:10 27:23 101:11 someone [1] - 20:25 63:14 stressful [1] - 59:9 surveilling [1] - 2:26 thereafter [2] - 69:21, sometime [3] - 2:6, stand [1] - 20:9 stretch [2] - 78:1, 80:9 suspect [2] - 29:19, 92:29 82:22 77:16, 79:26 standing [3] - 20:6, 28:8, strict [1] - 59:8 suspend [1] - 64:10 thieved [1] - 29:25 somewhere [2] - 14:22, 60:28 stuck [1] - 63:18 suspicious [2] - 78:28, thinking [2] - 2:12, 47:17 86:22 star [4] - 35:21, 48:19, submissions [1] - 82:23 81:9 third [1] - 71:22 sorry [32] - 1:6, 1:10, 2:7, 49:7, 49:11 submitted [2] - 5:20, 8:14 switch [1] - 55:8 threat [5] - 2:8, 2:19, 3:28, 4:21, 6:11, 15:18, start [3] - 32:4, 35:8, submitting [3] - 89:23, system [6] - 9:12, 90:14, 9:29, 89:9, 92:23 18:24, 26:25, 31:26, 46:30 97:16, 97:22 92:23, 92:25, 93:5, three [13] - 5:12, 5:26, 32:14, 37:9, 38:19, start-off [1] - 46:30 subsequent [3] - 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