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NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

ENGLISH VERSION THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Gladys K. T. Kokorwe MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Kagiso P. Molatlhegi, MP South Clerk of the National Assembly -- Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly -- Dr R.D. Dingalo Ag. Learned Parliamentary Counsel -- Mr S. Chikanda Assistant Clerk (E) -- Mr R. Josiah

CABINET His Excellency Lt. Gen. Dr. S. K. I. Khama PH, FOM, --President DCO, DSM, MP. His Honour M. E. K. Masisi, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) --Vice President -Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Hon. Dr. P. Venson-Moitoi, MP. (Serowe South) - Cooperation -Minister of Local Government and Rural Hon. S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti North) - Development -Minister of Infrastructure, Science and Hon. N. E. Molefhi, MP. (Selebi Phikwe East) - Technology Hon. S. Kgathi, MP. (Bobirwa) --Minister of Defence, Justice and Security -Minister of Minerals, Energy and Water Hon. O. K. Mokaila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Resources

Hon. P. M. Maele, MP. (Lerala - Maunatlala) --Minister of Lands and Housing

Hon. E. J. Batshu, MP. (Nkange) --Minister of Labour and Home Affairs Hon. D. K. Makgato, MP. (Sefhare - Ramokgonami) --Minister of Health Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. (Serowe West) --Minister of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism Hon. V. T. Seretse, MP. ( - ) --Minister of Trade and Industry Hon. O. K. Matambo, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Finance and Development Planning Hon. T. Mabeo, MP. ( - ) --Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. T. Olopeng, MP. (Tonota) --Minister of Youth, Sport and Culture - Minister for Presidential Affairs and Public Hon. E. M. Molale (Specially Elected) - Administration Hon. Dr. U. Dow, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Education and Skills Development Hon. P. P. Ralotsia, MP. (Kanye North) --Minister of Agriculture -Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs and Hon. D. P. Makgalemele, MP (Shoshong) - Public Administration Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP (Serowe North) --Assistant Minister, Agriculture -Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. B. M. Tshireletso, MP. (Mahalapye East) - Development -Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. F. S. Van Der Westerhuizen, MP. (Kgalagadi South) - Development -Assistant Minister, Education and Skills Hon. M. M. Goya, MP. (Palapye) - Development -Assistant Minister, Education and Skills Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP (Shashe West) - Development Hon. Dr. A. Madigele, MP. (Mmathethe - Molapowabojang) --Assistant Minister, Health

Hon. Sadique Kebonang, MP. (Lobatse) --Assistant Minister of Trade and Industry

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Names Constituency RULING PARTY ( Democratic Party) Hon. S. M. Guma, MP Tati East Hon. C. De Graaff, MP Ghanzi South Hon. L. Kablay, MP - Hon. M. N. Ngaka, MP Hon. T. Kwerepe, MP Ngami Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP Boteti East Hon. J. Molefe, MP Mahalapye West Hon. K. Markus, MP Maun East Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP Mmadinare Hon. P. Majaga, MP Nata-Gweta Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP Francistown West Hon. B. H. Billy, MP Francistown East Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP Chobe Hon. B. G.Butale, MP Tati West Hon. I. E. Moipisi, MP Kgalagadi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. G. Boko, MP (Leader of Opposition) Gaborone Bonnington North Hon. G. S. M. Mangole, MP Mochudi West Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP Francistown South Hon. T. Moremi, MP Maun West Hon. A. S. Kesupile, MP Kanye South Hon. N. Salakae, MP Ghanzi North Hon. Maj. Gen. P. Mokgware, MP - Hon. Dr. T. O. M. Mmatli, MP South Hon. S. Ntlhaile, MP Jwaneng -Mabutsane Hon. M. I. Khan, MP Molepolole North Hon. H. G. Nkaigwa, MP Gaborone North Hon. I. J. Davids, MP Mochudi East Hon. S. M. Bathobakae, MP Tlokweng Hon. N. N. Gaolathe, MP Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. S. Kgoroba, MP Hon. Dr P. Butale, MP Gaborone Central Hon Kgosi Lotlamoreng II Goodhope - Mabule (Botswana Congress Party) Hon. B. Arone, MP Okavango Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP Selebi Phikwe West Hon. S. O. Rantuana, MP Ramotswa

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CONTENTS PAGE (S)

Organisation 2000 – Ministry of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism Committee of Supply...... 10 - 34

Organisation 2400 – Ministry of Transport and Communications Committee of Supply...... 35 - 39

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER ...... 5 - 9

Annex A 2015/16 Recurrent Budget Expenditure Analysis...... 47 - 49

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Tuesday 15th March, 2016 (ii) The cyclic hostel maintenance was done during the financial year 2011/12. However, routine and THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. minor maintenance of the hostel is done using the (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) Council crew and handymen system, as and when the need arises. P R A Y E R S (iii) Currently, the kitchen and its equipment are in * * * * good condition except for the wall tiles which need attention and these will be attended to by QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER the Council maintenance crew during the 2016/17 STATUS OF KHWEE VILLAGE RURAL AREA fiscal year. DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME STUDENT The hostel attendants report for duty at 4.30 in the HOSTEL morning. MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the (iv) The hostel and other council facilities are provided Minister of Local Government and Rural Development with electricity powered by a generator, which is to apprise this Honourable House on the status of Khwee set to operate from 5.00 in the morning. Village Rural Area Development Programme student hostels particularly the following:- (v) It has come to my attention that the attendants’ reporting time for work does not correspond with (i) staffing; the set time of switching power on. The anomaly has since been corrected by setting the generator (ii) ablution and toilets; time from 0430 hours with effect from Friday 11th (iii) general hostel maintenance; March 2016, to correspond with the reporting time (iv) kitchen; of the attendants. (vi) The general maintenance of the hostel will be (v) what time the kitchen attendants report for duty in considered, along with other local authorities the morning; maintenance needs, during the 2016/17 financial (vi) whether they are provided with electricity to year as there is no budgetary provision under the prepare breakfast for kids; Economic Stimulus programme. Thank you.

(vii) when this situation will be addressed; and SHORTAGE OF STAFF HOUSES FOR TEACHERS AND SUPPORT STAFF IN SELEBI (viii) if he will consider including this in the Economic PHIKWE WEST CONSTITUENCY PRIMARY Stimulus Programme. SCHOOLS

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT WEST): asked the Minister of Local Government and (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): The Khwee Village Rural Development:- Remote Area Development Programme (RADP) students’ hostels manpower establishment is as follows: (i) if he is aware of the shortage of staff houses for teachers and support staff in Selebi Phikwe West There are 8 posts for hostel cooks and 7 are filled, Constituency primary schools and the extent of leaving 1 vacancy. The other posts for 9 care takers, 1 dilapidation of the available and occupied houses; matron, 1 relief hostel worker and 1 driver are all filled. (ii) to explain and give details of this dilapidation; and Interviews for the vacant post of hostel cook were held on the 19th February, 2016 and the prospective candidate (iii) what is being done currently to make these houses has been identified and the offer letter was written on the habitable. 29th February 2016. The Central District Council is still awaiting response from the candidate. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (i) Currently, the Council is experiencing some (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Madam Speaker, challenges with the entire hostel sewerage I am aware that there is a backlog of forty teachers’ drainage system connecting the ablution facilities. houses at Lapologang, Tebogo, Selebi Phikwe, Reuben The situation will be addressed during the 2016/17 Mpabanga, Joseph Anderson and Boswelakgomo financial year. Primary Schools in Selebi Phikwe West Constituency.

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I am also aware of the state of disrepair of teachers’ and the Parliamentary Committee on Intelligence houses of 3 blocks of flats at Leseding, 3 blocks of flats since the Act was enacted; at Kopano, 1 block at Boswelakgomo and Lapologang respectively. (ii) who are members of these committees and when were they elected; The facilities backlog will be addressed through Economic Stimulus Programme, and during 2016/17 (iii) how many reports have been tabled before financial year twenty (20) teachers’ houses will be built Parliament annually as required by the Act; for Lapologang and Boswelakgomo Primary Schools (iv) if copies of such reports can be availed including with ten (10) houses each. the dates they were tabled;

The dilapidated houses are mainly affected by roof (v) how many people or companies brought their leakages caused by worn out roof structure, which results grievances against the security agents before the in stained ceilings in some houses and underground pipe Tribunal annually since the Act was enacted; and leakages caused by corrosion of galvanised steel pipes. There is notable worn out kitchen units and peeling off (vi) whether there is any effect on the National Security tiles in some houses. if these two Committees are not active.

Due to budget constraints, these could not be maintained Later date during the current financial year (2015/16) and next financial year (2016/17), the Council maintenance SHORTAGES OF FURNITURE IN PRIMARY Recurrent Budget is P2 million which is very low SCHOOLS IN SELEBI PHIKWE WEST compared to number of facilities which the Council CONSTITUENCY owns. Most of these facilities are overdue for cyclic maintenance and priority is given to those that are MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE severely affected compared to others. However, the WEST): asked the Minister of Local Government and flats at Kopano and Leseding have been included Rural Development to state:- in the maintenance plan for re-roofing and general maintenance in the financial year 2016/17. Thank you. (i) the number of primary schools in Selebi Phikwe West Constituency which have shortages of MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Thank you very furniture for both pupils and teachers; much Honourable Minister. My quick question is on whether you will consider, especially the maintenance, (ii) the type of furniture that is in short supply and to do it in such that it is a capital project and not under how this has affected or is affecting teaching and the recurrent budget because that has been the problem. learning; and The recurrent budget for the Council is low and I think (iii) how he is addressing the situation. the proper maintenance can be done if this is a capital project. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: Madam Speaker, it (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Madam Speaker, all is just for me to take note of but as I have already said six primary schools in Selebi Phikwe West Constituency the recurrent budget is only P2 million to try to attend have shortages of furniture for both pupils and teachers. to some of the more serious maintenance cycle for some of the facilities. We are trying our level best to maintain (i) The type of furniture that is in short supply is our facilities but we have budgetary constraints. for infant, middle and upper classes, and there is therefore, shortage of small, medium and large STATUS OF THE INTELLIGENCE AND tables. As for chairs, all schools have enough SECURITY SERVICES TRIBUNAL AND chairs except for reception classes. The inadequate THE PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE ON furniture in schools affects the learning and INTELLIGENCE SINCE THE ACT WAS teaching as pupils share tables and this affects ENACTED their writing and their learning.

MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked (ii) The furniture that is in short supply is currently the Minister for Presidential Affairs and Public being procured by Selebi Phikwe Town Council Administration:- for all classes including tables and chairs for reception classes and it is expected that they will (i) to apprise this Honourable House on the status of start being delivered on 21st March 2016. Thank the Intelligence and Security Services Tribunal you.

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MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Honourable Madam Speaker, all the applications which were Minister, I just wanted to appreciate if the current submitted to the Project office for assessment have procurement will address the shortage or will address it been finalized, and sponsorship letters produced and partly. I just want to understand whether this will be a handed over to the respective training providers for thing of the past after the envisaged procurement. commencement of programmes. Indeed training is on- going in the institutions, and as such, there is no breach MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: I do not have the of any promise on the side of the Ministry. answer to that question now Madam Speaker whether we will be able to supply all the shortage or only partly. Finally Madam Speaker, I am aware that some students and not all might have suffered emotional and/or ADVERTISEMENT OF A BRIDGING COURSE financial inconvenience due to the fact that some MR H. G. NKAIGWA (GABORONE NORTH): asked training institutions went beyond their given quotas and the Minister of Education and Skills Development:- created unnecessary confusion.

(i) why Government through Private Tertiary The Honourable Member might want to know that Institutions recently advertised for students to training institutions were given quotas in advance at a nd apply for bridging courses; duly convened consultative meeting on the 2 November 2015 before the commencement of the Project and they (ii) what happened to such bridging courses; were expected to stick to their given quotas.

(iii) if she is aware that despite students receiving However, the Ministry has written letters to the admission letters from such institutions they are concerned institutions emphasizing on the need to not yet enrolled; comply to set processes and procedures. I thank you, Madam Speaker. (iv) when they should expect Government sponsorship for them to enrol as promised; MR NKAIGWA: Supplementary. Thank you Madam (v) if the delay to sponsor these students does not Speaker and Honourable Minister for the comprehensive constitute a breach of promise; and answer. How did these institutions end up enrolling more than what they can accommodate? What are doing (vi) if she is aware that students have suffered both to assist students who have received admission letters emotionally and financially due to this exercise and yet you cannot sponsor them? as some of them left their jobs on receipt of admission letters. MR MOLAO: I have explained that we have formally written letters to the concerned schools to warn them ASSISTANT MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND never to repeat the same issue. As for those students SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLAO): who have admission letters but fall under the excess Madam Speaker, TVET is an entry point for the youth number of students, unfortunately we will not be able to to participate in diversifying the economy either as assist them because our budget does not allow us to. It is employed or self-employed citizens. a pity that they have those admission letters with them which they were not supposed to be given. However, The Ministry of Education and Skills Development sponsorships are offered annually, they can try their luck therefore advertised bridging courses through both next time, maybe they will be sponsored. I thank you. Private and Public Tertiary Institutions in November 2015. MR LELATISITSWE: Supplementary. I have noted that, however, my question is your target for this upskilling The objective of the project is to prepare the courses, have you reached your target? And when are unemployed youth for industry participation through you going to make a public pronouncement on the effect skills development. The programmes are tailor-made to that maybe you have reached your target because a lot address their skills gaps and consequently enhance their of applicants keep going to the Ministry. Furthermore, employability. is it a problem of budgetary constraints that hinders you Madam Speaker, a total of 14 869 applications were from reaching your target or indeed you have reached it? received by the Target 20 000 Project Office for MR MOLAO: We have reached our target but we have the different bridging programmes. To date 10 522 stated that we shall keep on reaching the same target applications have been processed and sponsorship letters annually. As for now, we have reached the target for this produced. These students are enrolled under different year, the next batch will be next year. This is a program training providers, and training has commenced. that will run for three consecutive years. So, those who

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have not been sponsored this year will be next year. why we have started the rationalisation plan of brigades and our technical colleges. It is about to be finalised. MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary. Do you have I believe that upon its completion we are going to use the excess numbers that were there in the concerned our brigades and technical colleges up to the optimal. schools? I have once asked a question here about the The numbers will increase, the standard or quality of the students who failed from 2010 to 2015 and their number courses offered there will be upgraded. Those objectives was around P160 000. Now with the current vision are already underway. I believe that by this month end, 2016, do you think we will be able to achieve our vision the rationalisation plan will be complete and then we in connection to that looking at the fact that you are only will take it from there. taking 20 000? MAG. GEN. MOKGWARE: Supplementary. Thank you Honourable Minister. I heard you saying we closed MR MOLAO: I do not have the statistics readily that college of education because we now have enough available with me here but I can avail them to you teachers. However, we still experience shortage of later. However we need to be cognisant of the fact that teachers in schools. target 20 000 caters for students across board, some are sponsored by DTEF, those who have more than 36 MADAM SPEAKER: Supplementary. points. Their application forms are ready because they MAG. GEN. MOKGWARE: Just recently, you are soon to apply. It is indeed true that on annual basis, said that we are going to continue having temporary there are those that we cannot sponsor on their retakes teachers. Can you please be straightforward in what you and as a result discontinue with their studies, however are saying; are you saying we have enough teachers? every year we take a certain number of them and readmit them at school. That is not enough though but I believe MR MOLAO: You heard me but I do not believe you we shall be able to achieve our goals one day. If funds understood Honourable Member. What we are saying is that, we have closed the college because the courses do not permit, we can only do what we can afford for offered were already saturated in the market and we still now. have unemployed teachers roaming mo seterateng (in MR MOSWAANE: Further supplementary. It looks the streets). like we have more challenges than what we think HONOURABLE MEMBER: What do you mean by because when I look at the numbers that you have ‘seterata’? provided for young people who are not schooling and compare it to capacity of an institution like Francistown MR MOLAO: Is ‘seterata’ not a Setswana term? College of Education which can accommodate only MADAM SPEAKER: No. 600 students but closed at the moment, it becomes a bit worrisome. On the other hand, we have another MR MOLAO: I am told the right Setswana term to institution like Francistown College of Vocational refer to streets is mekgwatlheng or mebileng. Therefore Training which is underutilised, what could be wrong we are unable to employ those on the streets because Honourable Minister? It seems like we fail to prioritise public employment or placement is done by Directorate when it comes to our expenditure. I thank you. of Public Service Management (DPSM). If there are no available posts where the unemployed can be attached, MR MOLAO: Francistown Teacher Training is no there is no how we can employ them. That is why we are longer absorbing any more students and we have turned going to keep having temporary teachers. If maybe there it into a facility called in-service training for teachers is someone who is retiring that is when that vacancy can who are already employed. The other part of it is be filled. We continue to place teachers as and when the used by College of Distance Learning BOCODOL in DPSM gives us posts. In the financial year that is about Francistown. We have departments like HRDC, who to come to an end, 250 posts were filled for permanent assess the job market and it has been evident enough employment. We agree that it is a slow process but that that with teaching, the market is saturated. Therefore is how the growth of civil service prevents us from there will be no need for us to keep training teachers employing daily or the way we would have wished. The when there is nowhere they will be absorbed. In future, majority however is still on the streets. we are going to decrease the number of the trainees to counter the situation of training people who cannot find UPDATE ON THE PRE-SCHOOL PROGRAMME a job in our market. AT SELEBI PHIKWE

As for Francistown College of Technical and Vocational MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE Education (FCTVE), it is true, our technical colleges WEST): asked the Minister of Local Government and and brigades are not utilised up to the optimal. That is Rural Development:-

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(i) to state the number and names of primary schools month. Are you aware of their terms of employment in Selebi Phikwe West Constituency where the in terms of whether they are employed on temporary pre-school programme is being piloted or has basis? I know this has been a problem. started; he should further state names of schools with; MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: It is something that I am not aware of at this moment, which I will have to go (a) qualified pre-school teachers employed either on and find out Honourable Member. permanent or temporary basis; NUMBER OF DEATHS AND INJURIES CAUSED (b) unqualified pre-school teachers employed either on BY CROCODILES ALONG THAMALAKANE permanent or temporary basis; RIVER FROM 2013 TO DATE

(c) teachers taken from mainstream teaching; and MR K. MARKUS (MAUN EAST): asked the Minister of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism to state:- (ii) which types of learning and other facilities (teaching materials, equipment and furniture) are (i) the number of deaths and injuries of the following needed but currently in short supply and when caused by crocodiles along the Thamalakane these will be procured. River from 2013 to date;

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL (a) people; GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR VAN DER WESTHUIZEN): Madam Speaker, (b) domestic animals; and

(i) There are 4 primary schools in Selebi Phikwe West (ii) remedies to address this situation. Constituency which have started Pre-primary MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND programme. These are Joseph Anderson, Tebogo, TOURISM (MR T. S. KHAMA): Good afternoon Reuben Mpabanga and Lapologang Primary Madam Speaker. Schools. Madam Speaker, the number of deaths and injuries (a) Joseph Anderson has 3 classes with 2 qualified on people and domestic animals caused by crocodiles teachers and 1 temporary qualified teacher, along the Thamalakane River from 2013 to date are as Lapologang has 2 classes with 2 qualified teachers, follows: Tebogo 2 classes with 1 qualified teacher and 1 temporary teacher and Reuben Mpabanga has 3 (a) No person was killed during the period from 2013 classes with 3 qualified teachers. to date. Three (3) people were injured; the first (b) There are no unqualified teachers employed in all person was injured in February 2014, the second 4 schools. person was injured in April 2015 and the third person was injured in November 2015. (c) There are 2 teachers taken from the main stream at Reuben Mpabanga. (b) A total of one hundred and fifty-one (151) Madam Speaker, domestic animals were killed and five (5) were injured, consisting of one hundred and thirty nine (ii) The type of learning and other facilities that are (139) goats, five (5) cows, two horses and one (1) in short supply include both furniture and indoor foal, one (1) donkey, three (3) dogs and one (1) materials. Currently furniture (tables and chairs) calf. in short supply is being procured and expected st to be delivered starting the week of 21 March Madam Speaker, my Ministry has been responsive to the 2016. Furthermore, Jumbo Crayons and floor mats problem of crocodiles since 2011. Amongst others, the will be supplied for reception classes during the following mitigating measures have been implemented st week starting 21 March 2016, including exercise to address the situation: books, teaspoons and rubbers. Thank you. • Radio spot announcements to sensitise the MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Thank you community on the presence and dangers of Honourable Minister. There have been challenges that crocodiles in the river; these teachers who are employed on temporary basis, at the beginning of every term, their contracts have to • Life capture and translocation of problem crocodiles be renewed and sometimes it takes up to more than a to Gomoti River in Moremi Game Reserve;

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• All Maun Primary Schools have been addressed to us to do, we will do so. Is it suitable? No, it is not. Is it educate students to approach the river with caution what we like? No, it is not what we like. The situation as they are most vulnerable. as it is would be indicated in my Committee of Supply Speech. You will understand the exact lack of resources I thank you Madam Speaker. that we have. I thank you Madam Speaker.

MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Thank you MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Further supplementary. Honourable Minister for your answer. I just wanted Thank you Madam Speaker. Honourable Minister, to find out if there are provisions for compensation of thank you for your answer. I was going to ask a similar people who are either injured or killed by wild animals? question like Honourable Keorapetse, but you have If your answer is not in the affirmative, I just want to answered half of it. With regards to the payments that find out if your Ministry is in the process of putting that you are going to bring up, have you considered paying in place? Thank you. for those who have been injured by these animals and taking care of their medical expenses when they are MR T. S. KHAMA: Thank you Madam Speaker. The disabled? answer is affirmative to both. Thank you. MR T. S. KHAMA: Madam Speaker, I thank you. Yes, MR MARKUS: Supplementary. Minister, are you it is disturbing because we would really have liked to do aware that mainly these crocodiles were washed away exactly that. However, the budget as sad as it is, does by floods, especially from the Crocodile Farm? If so, not allow us to do that. As you know, we are behind what are we doing to that farm to make sure that indeed on our payments of compensation, and that is a fact. it is secure and floods would not wash away those So, the payment of the loss of life has been a difficult crocodiles? negotiation, but it is something that we have achieved. So, we look at it as being the beginning of something MR T. S. KHAMA: Thank you Madam Speaker. that will lead to assistance through injury and through Madam Speaker, we are aware of that occurrence, it loss of life. Thank you. did not only happen in that area, it also happened in the Boteti area as well. What we have since done is that APPROPRIATION (2016/2017) BILL, we have put measures in place to make sure that the 2016 (NO. 1 OF 2016) current capacity of those particular farms are within the prescribed number and the facilities are adequately ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE suitable to cater for that type of wildlife. Thank you (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair) Madam Speaker. ORGANISATION 2000 -- MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Honourable ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND Minister, I just wanted to find out how people killed by TOURISM wild animals are compensated in terms of the amount or it differs? MADAM CHAIRPERSON (MS KOKORWE): Order! Order! Honourable Members, you are asked to MR T. S. KHAMA: Thank you Madam Speaker. note that 2 hours 45 minutes have been allocated to this Although that is not the original question but in any organisation. I shall call upon the Honourable Minister case, to offer an explanation, we have recently agreed an to reply to the debates at 16:50 hours today and the amount which is going to be published for those people question would be put at 17:20 hours. who have lost their lives through wildlife. Thank you Madam Speaker. MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM (MR T. S. KHAMA): Thank you MR MARKUS: Supplementary. Minister, how often Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, I have do we do checks and balances on those farms to see that the Honour to present to this Honourable House the indeed they are secured? Do we do them more often or 2016/17 recurrent and development budget requests on yearly basis when they do their licenses? for the Ministry of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism. MR T. S. KHAMA: Thank you Madam Speaker. The Before my presentation, let me share progress on some answer to that question is in my Committee of Supply of my Ministry’s initiatives. Speech. We are not adequately capacitated enough to do Department of Tourism as much as we would want to, or as often as we would like to. So, basically the answer to the Honourable Madam Chairperson, in the past year, the Ministry Member’s question is that as and when the lost allows established a Data Centre in collaboration with Statistics

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Botswana in order to address the problem of backlog on Focus has also been on developing sport and adventure migration statistics. The Data centre has facilitated data events including the Khawa Festival, Kalahari Cycle entry for the years 2010 to 2014. Most of the migration Challenge, Toyota Dessert Race, Tour de Tuli, Race for statistics has been analysed to generate preliminary Rhinos and the Makgadikgadi Epic. tourism statistics. A technical expert has been recruited As regards marketing and promotion of the tourism and has commenced work to put together the Tourism product, we participate in international events and Satellite Account for a new reference year. I am therefore programmes including the partnership with National very optimistic that before the end of the year 2016, the Geographic Society and their World Legacy Awards and Ministry would have determined the contribution of the Partnership with ITB Germany, the largest travel and Botswana’s tourism to the GDP. tourism business to business trade fair. We also hosted I am happy to report that Batswana continue to the 3rd Annual Botswana Travel and Tourism Expo in participate in the tourism industry. For quite some time, December, attracting international tour operators and we have seen a steady increase in tourism facilities travel media from Europe, USA and Australia. Further, owned by citizens. Out of 1247 tourism facilities, 762 BTO is embarking on plans, funding allowing, to are wholly citizen owned, 251 are Joint Ventures and further develop our presence in the international arena only 234 are Foreign owned. by opening offices in our Embassies around the world, including the USA (x2), Australia, Brazil and Dubai. My Ministry is also close to completing the tourism In the international market, BTO attends the following policy which will provide the much needed direction trade shows: FITUR in Spain; BIT in Italy; WTM Latin for tourism industry now and into the future, consistent America; JATA in Japan and WTM London. Two new with the sustainable development goals. international shows include Travel Trade Russia and Adventure Travel and Tourism in Alaska. In the regional Botswana Tourism Organisation market BTO attended WTM Africa in Cape Town; we The Ministry continues to intensify efforts to develop are Africa in Cape Town; Indaba in Durban; Namibian more tourism products across the country in order to Tourism Expo and Pure Life Experiences in Cape Town. increase the tourism footprint and contribute towards National Museum and Monuments Botswana’s economic growth. Among the projects under the Economic Stimulus Programme the Kasane Madam Chairperson, efforts to promote Botswana’s Kazungula Redevelopment Project (KKRP) is without cultural and natural heritage continue. To this end, doubt a key tourism development project and is developments at Domboshaba and Livingstone scheduled to commence in 2016/17 financial year albeit Kolobeng are complete while construction of a currently with a budget to support the project agency gatehouse at Lekhubu National Monument is envisaged team only. Several other tourism projects will be to be completed by September 2016. The South Sowa included in the National Development Plan 11. Heritage Trail is now complete. Construction of gatehouses at Old Palapye, Ntsweng, Baratani Hill, Development of Dams Tourism Master Plans for Maleshe, Matsieng and Manyana Monuments will Letsibogo and Thune are at final stages and identified commence in the 2016/17 financial year through the sites will be advertised soon after completion. The Economic Stimulus Programme (ESP). required infrastructure will be put in place to facilitate development of the sites. Master plans for other dams My Ministry continues to refurbish historic buildings. such as Dikgatlhong are at scoping and scheduled for These include the Legislative House in Lobatse, completion by end of March 2016. Sekgoma’s House in Serowe and the Jailor’s House in Francistown. Access roads and trails have been We continue to engage and work with various completed at Old Shoshong, Dikalate, Old Kachikau, communities, assisting them to develop ecotourism Unikae, Simon Cooper, and Phanga Hill heritage products in their areas, create employment and ensure sites. Seventy (70) temporary field custodians have been that rural economies are indeed stimulated for the employed to manage, conserve and guide visitors at benefit of communities living with natural resources. some of our premier heritage/cultural sites. Tourism development and diversification strategies are being pursued, including culture and heritage As a way of promoting our heritage and showcasing the partnership with communities such as Nata Sanctuary, wildlife resources that Botswana conserves, an Elephant Lake Ngami, Gcwihaba Caves, Phuduhudu Cultural Ivory Sculpture and Columnar Joints were constructed Village and Tsodilo Hills. Budget is currently being at Sir Seretse Khama International Airport. Kazungula sourced to host the Gcwihaba Cultural Festival 2016. Liberation Heritage monument was also launched as

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part of the African Union Initiative of African Liberation this will affect our operational capabilities. Kasane Heritage or Roads to Independence. Due to budget Anti-poaching Camp though scaled down, will be constraints, some critical projects that facilitate tourism implemented in 2016/17. We have asked the Ministry of diversification through cultural heritage could not be Finance to divert funds from the anticipated savings in undertaken, amongst them; procurement of alternative Kasane to buy helicopters and game relocation vehicles power supply to preserve artefacts and CCTV for so as to assist in managing wildlife and wild fires. This I artefacts security. understand will be included in the supplementaries.

Wildlife and National Parks The following could not be completed because of Madam Chairperson, prominent among our challenges insufficient funds: is the increasing number of Human Wildlife Conflict (a) Construction of Staff houses and an office in incidences which has doubled the funding required Seronga. for compensation, and also resulted in a significant amount of compensation backlog. From April 2015 (b) Construction of a bridge across Khumaga River to date we have had a total number of 5, 256 cases into Makgadikgadi National Park. involving problem animals such as elephant, lion and cheetah. Damage caused by these animals resulted in (c) Maintenance of offices and staff houses throughout total compensation of over P10 million. Out of this, the country. only P6 million was paid leaving us with a shortfall of (d) Maintenance of fences. P7.6 million due to insufficient funds. A concerted effort is therefore required to ensure the uptake of strategies The hunting moratorium is continuing to show positive provided to farmers against Human Wildlife Conflict results in terms of reversing some of the wildlife and reduce demand for compensation. I would therefore declines that have been observed in the country. We are like to urge Honourable Members to assist in sensitizing still awaiting the results of the aerial survey completed communities of the importance of herding their livestock in November 2015 to inform the final position on and keeping them in kraals at night to protect them the moratorium. We however note the increase in the from predators. I will appreciate the implementation of elephants population which we now estimate to be initiatives such as the use of chilli, herding dogs, black around 170 000. shades and others as shall be advised by the Ministry On the fisheries sector, to ensure that use of the resource from time to time. is properly regulated, my ministry is reviewing the My Ministry continues to drill boreholes in National Fish Protection Regulations of 2008. Utilization of fish Parks, Game Reserves and Wildlife Management Areas. resources presents an opportunity for communities to To date, we have secured funds for fifty boreholes and develop but I cannot emphasize enough that this must they will be strategically located to mitigate against the be done in impact of drought and reduce the incidences of human- a sustainable manner. In this regard, efforts to monitor wildlife conflict. fish stocks will be stepped up. It will also be noted that The importance of wildlife in our tourism industry the regulations were reviewed to benefit Batswana. cannot be overemphasized. My Ministry therefore Madam Chairperson, the Community Based Natural continues to closely monitor the population of different Resource Management (CBNRM) programme is doing species. 28 white and 25 black rhinos were received in well and continues to grow. During April to December 2015 from South Africa and Zimbabwe respectively. 2015, a total of P13 086 963 was generated through Unfortunately, we lost 2 white and 3 black rhinos CBNRM projects. This is an increase of P4 million through natural mortality in the same year. Other species over the same period in 2014. My ministry continues that were experiencing a decline in numbers are slowly to support communities through transition to non- recovering. consumptive tourism. Further efforts are being made to We are also strengthening human resources within anti- identify potential investors for community concession poaching units around the country through provision areas. of accommodation and additional equipment. As such, Environmental Affairs construction works for Kang Anti-Poaching Unit was to commence by March 2016 but has been delayed Madam Chairperson, we have produced a draft National by a legal challenge before the awarding boards. Due Framework for Sustainable Development to guide and to budget ceilings Maun Camp was cancelled and direct the national developments of our country to be

12 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2000 -- ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM- Committee of Supply sustainable. This framework will also enhance the new of Sustainable Natural Resources Management in Vision 2036 preparation and lay foundation for the partnership with the Japan International Cooperation National Development Plan 11. Through the Gaborone Agency (JICA). At the end of the project in June this Declaration for Sustainability in Africa (GDSA), we year, we envisage Sustainable Forest management, are offering to assist African member states to manage sharing and utilizing information among relevant the natural capital for sustainability. At least 10 stakeholders including government agencies and local African states are members and four have applied to be Communities. In addition, an expert has been engaged to members of GDSA. The GDSA is intended to manage undertake an Economic Valuation (wealth accounting) natural capital through mainstreaming it in the national of forest resources identified through the NFMS project. economic planning. It is also recognized as a vehicle for However Madam Chairperson, we are concerned that implementation of environmental flagship programmes communities, the private sector and some Government by African Ministers of Environment forum. Ministries/departments continue to disregard our efforts on environmental protection in the Chobe Forest In line with the Doing Business initiative and to Reserves by illegally mining sand and gravel. support the ESP implementation, we have reviewed the Environmental Assessment processes to My ministry has started an initiative to address land improve turnaround times without compromising degradation issues in Ngamiland, Central (Boteti) and the environment. Madam Chairperson, we are still Kgalagadi. The initiative will mainstream sustainable concerned by the continuous disregard of caring for land management in these areas in order to improve the environment by some communities, private sector people’s livelihoods. Capacity building on fire and Government institutions despite our commitment management, rangeland assessment and leather works to assist them adhere to best environmental practices. has been undertaken for communities in Ngamiland and An example is the Roads Department which did not Boteti. take cognisance of the landscape profiles when building Madam Chairperson, in an effort to holistically address roads in Kasane resulting in erosion due to soil wash the issues of forest management and following the away. It is high time we appreciate as a nation, that approval of the Forest Policy of 2011, my ministry the environment is our home and hence the need for revised the three pieces of legislation being Herbage collective responsibility in caring for it. Preservation (Prevention of Fires) Act CAP 38:02 Forestry and Range Resources of 1977, Agricultural Resources Conservation CAP 35:06 of 1974 and Forest Act CAP 38:03 into a single The government of Botswana continues to promote tree Instrument. The draft Forest Bill is anticipated to go planting for various conservation projects across the before Parliament in its next sitting. However, I am country in order to augment natural forests. By so doing, concerned that due to budgetary constraints the project we will then increase our carbon sink. As such, the target on the development of the Forest Regulations to go with for NDP 10 was to plant 1 000 000 tree seedlings and the Forest Bill was not undertaken. The implication this effort will continue into NDP 11. To date 794 246 being the Forest Bill will not be fully implemented due tree seedlings have been planted with survival rate of 70 to lack of the Regulations. Furthermore, all processes per cent despite water challenges over the years. relating to the development of the management plans With collaborative efforts from various stakeholders for the forest reserves are now underway. This will open and effective implementation of an integrated fire opportunities for Batswana to explore ecotourism in the management strategy, the ministry has reduced the forest reserves hence diversifying the tourism product. area burnt from 15.4 million hectares in 2011 to 1.1 Meteorological Services million hectares in 2015. Currently, discussions are at an advanced stage to establish Botswana Rural Fire Madam Chairperson, the preparation of Botswana Services, an entity that will primarily deal with effective climate change policy is at the final draft stage and and efficient management of wild fires in the country. nearing completion. The policy will facilitate the To this end, the ministry has procured eleven (11) mainstreaming of climate change in development, specialized fire vehicles and four (4) customized Porta planning and resultant climate change adaptation and Cabins for the Regional Fire Stations in the Central, mitigation response strategies. Ngamiland, Gantsi and Southern districts. Consistent with the outcomes of Climate Change Madam Chairperson, my ministry continues negotiations at the Conference of the Parties (COP implementation of the Project for Enhancing National 21) in December 2015, Botswana like other countries, Forest Monitoring System (NFMS) for the Promotion is obligated to address climate change through her

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Intended Nationally Determined Contributions in the sound management of hazardous chemicals and (INDCs). In our effort to realize this objective, I have thereby fulfilling its international obligations. already met Ministers of key sectors that contribute directly to greenhouse gases and shared my expectation Madam Chairperson, before I present the budget, it is of their input in addressing climate change as well as worth noting that at least 70 per cent of our recurrent how we will facilitate them in accessing sources of budget is for salaries as is the case with Department funding mechanisms such as the Green Climate Fund, of Wildlife and National Parks where the budget Adaptation Fund and other related funding sources to is 4.4 million Pula per month. Further, there is no implement INDCs in mitigating impacts of climate substantial increase in the tourism budget though we change. are undertaking initiatives to market the country and tourism is the second engine of growth. Similarly, Failure to address climate change will impact on despite the economy being driven by the environment, agricultural activities, lead to drying dams and resulting environmental issues are not been given the importance in serious food security. It will also lead to increased they deserve. competition of land use and conflicts between wildlife and livestock. Madam Chair, during the month of 2016/2017 RECURRENT BUDGET – P615, January this year, Botswana recorded her highest ever 444,400.00 maximum temperatures of 43°C as a result of global Madam Chairperson, allow me now to present the warming. This demonstrates the need to urgently budget proposals under my Ministry for the financial address climate change issues including changing our year 2016/2017, starting with the Recurrent Budget. lifestyle patterns.

Waste Management and Pollution Control I propose the 2016/2017 budget for the Ministry of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism in the sum of Six Madam Chairperson, in an effort to address environmental Hundred and Fifteen Million, Four Hundred and Forty pollution, we have embarked on consultations at all Four Thousand, Four Hundred Pula (P615, 444,400.00) levels to seek a participatory approach.We are currently for the recurrent budget. The Departmental Provisions consulting on our intention of banning plastic carrier are as outlined below; bags due to the menace it causes in the environment. We continue to avail ourselves in guiding on best waste Department 2001 – Headquarters – P 177,699,050 management practices as well as provision of Ipelegeng I submit a request of One Hundred and Seventy Seven workers to assist in open environment clean up. As for Million, Six Hundred and Ninety Nine Thousand and inadequate sanitation infrastructure we advocated for Fifty Pula (P177, 699,050.00) for Ministry Headquarters. prioritization of this sector through Thematic Working The largest share of this budget (50 per cent) goes to Group budgeting as well as involvement of private Botswana Tourism Organisation (BTO) in the sum of sector. Eighty Nine Million Pula (P89, 000,000). There is a gradual public health threat and environmental Department 2002 –Wildlife & National Parks – P pollution brought about by certain operations mainly 214,691,200 from some mines, industries and coal fired power stations. The case of air pollution by BCL in Selebi- Madam Chairperson, I request the sum of Two Hundred Phikwe is an old one. We have advised the mine to this and Fourteen Million, Six Hundred and Ninety One dire situation and asked them to comply with standards Thousand, Two Hundred Pula (P214, 691,200) for to reduce the possible risks of human and environmental the department of Wildlife and National Parks and exposure. constitutes 35 per cent of the ministry’s recurrent budget. The bulk of the budget in the sum of One In view of these challenges, in June 2015, my ministry Hundred and Sixty One Million, Four Hundred and commenced the development of the national waste Twenty Three Thousand, Four Hundred and Sixty Pula policy that will guide the entire cycle of waste planning (P161, 423,460) or 75 per cent is allocated to Personnel and management in the country. The policy is expected Emoluments. to be finalised in the 2016/17 financial year. Department 2003 – Tourism – P16, 782,390 Botswana is signatory to a number of environmental conventions. Lately, we have acceded to the Minamata I propose a provision of Sixteen Million, Seven Convention on Mercury. By endorsing these Hundred and Eighty Two Thousand, Three Hundred conventions, Botswana stands a chance of being assisted and Ninety Pula (P16, 782,390) for the Department of

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Tourism. Eleven Million, Six Hundred and Ninety Eight Hundred and Seventy Pula (P15, 589,870) or 69 per cent Thousand and Thirty Pula (P11, 698,030) or 70 per cent of the budget allocation goes to Personnel Emoluments. of the budget allocation goes to Personnel Emoluments. 2016/2017 DEVELOPMENT BUDGET – P213, Department 2004 – Meteorological Services P 517,643 51,933,320 Madam Chairperson, I request Two Hundred and Madam Chairperson, for the Department of Thirteen Million, Five Hundred and Seventeen Meteorological Services, I request Fifty One Million, Thousand, Six hundred and Forty Three Pula (P213, Nine Hundred and Thirty Three Thousand, Three 517, 643) as Development Budget for my Ministry for Hundred and Twenty Pula (P51, 933,320). Personnel the financial year 2016/2017. This budget request is for Emoluments amount to Forty Million, Six Hundred and the following programmes; Fifty Eight Thousand, Three Hundred and Seventy Pula (P40, 658,370) or 78 per cent of the Department’s total Department 2001 – Ministry Headquarters-P71, budget. 146,209

Department 2005 – Waste Management & Pollution Seventy One Million, One Hundred and Forty Six Control – P 20,248,430 Thousand Two Hundred and Nine (71,146,209) for the Ministry Headquarters. The funds are for Twenty Million, Two Hundred and Forty Eight implementation of the following projects; Thousand, Four Hundred and Thirty Pula (P20, 248,430) i. Eight Hundred and Fifty- Five Thousand (P855, is requested for the Department of Waste Management 000) is requested for MEWT Computerisation. and Pollution Control. Personnel Emoluments amount to Thirteen Million, Three Hundred and Forty Thousand, ii. Thirty Seven Million, Two Hundred and Sixty Four Hundred and Ninety Pula (P13, 340,490) or 66 per Thousand (37,260,000) is requested for Fleet cent of the Department’s total budget. Expansion

Department 2006 – Forestry & Range Resources – P ii. Five Million, One hundred and Thirty Thousand 88,961,400 Pula (P5, 130,000) is requested for Natural Resources Management. Madam Chairperson, the Department of Forestry and iii. Four Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pula, (P450, Range Resources recurrent needs stand at Eighty Eight 000) is for Environmental Management Activities. Million, Nine Hundred and Sixty One Thousand, Four Hundred Pula (P88,961,400). Forty Nine Million, Two iv. Twenty Seven Million, Four Hundred and Fifty Hundred and Sixty Six Thousand and Ninety Pula (P49, One Thousand Two Hundred and Nine Pula (P27, 266,090) or 55 per cent of the budget allocation goes to 451, 209) is requested for BTB Finances. Personnel Emoluments. This comes from thirty three million eight hundred and eighty six thousand, two hundred and nine Pula, Department 2007- Environmental Affairs – P the difference of thirty seven million two hundred and 22,379,940 sixteen Pula been fleet expansion from Department of The Department of Environmental Affairs requests Wildlife and National Parks. Twenty Two Million, Three Hundred and Seventy Nine Department 2002 – Wildlife and National Parks – Thousand, Nine Hundred and Forty Pula (P22, 379,940). P128, 340,000 The largest share of this budget amounting to Thirteen Million, Six Hundred and Eighty Nine Thousand, Nine Madam Chairperson, I request One Hundred and Hundred and Thirty Pula (P13, 689,930) or 61 per cent Twenty Eight Million, Three Hundred Forty Thousand goes to Personnel Emoluments. Pula (128,340,000) for the Department of Wildlife and National Parks. The funds are meant for the Department 2008 – National Museum & Monuments Development of DWNP which entails; final payments – P 22,748,670 for construction of Department of Wildlife and National I request an allocation of Twenty Two Million, Seven Parks Staff Houses at Sedudu, Management Plans for Hundred and Forty Eight Thousand, Six Hundred and Protected Areas, Construction of Kang Ant poaching Seventy Pula (P22, 748,670) for the Department of Unit, bulk services for Kasane and Maun Ant poaching National Museum and Monuments. Fifteen Million, Units, DWNP Fence Maintenance & Development and Five Hundred and Eighty Nine Thousand, Eight Wildlife Borehole Drilling and water reticulation.

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Department 2004 – Meteorological Services-P2, my constituency more specially in Xaixai. They are 700,000 improving the Xaixai cave and they want to source water there and I suspect that their efforts might fail and Madam Chairperson, for the Department of we would go back to where we started. If the Xaixai Meteorological Services I request Two Million, Seven cave was in use, the residents were going to benefit. I am Hundred Thousand Pula (P2, 700,000). The funds are however worried Minister that even though I appreciate for procurement of equipment and vehicles for the your efforts, there are other areas that we feel if you Ncojane Synoptic Station. were putting more effort on them, we were going to Department 2005-Waste Management and Pollution benefit even more. Control – P6, 831,434 In Sehithwa constituency, there is a Lake called Ngami. I request Six Million, Eight Hundred and Thirty One It is a tourist attraction and at the same time it has Thousand, Four Hundred and Thirty Four Pula (P6, fish that the residents benefit from. Ever since fishing 831,434) for the Department of Waste Management and was suspended, you promised that you will do an Pollution Control for implementation of the following environmental impact assessment, a year has passed programmes; and there is no sign of impact assessment. We were told that in March this year fishing would be opened for the • National Rural Sanitation Programme requires a people, but that is not the case. People were used to the provision of Nine Hundred Thousand Pula (P900, idea that they benefit from Lake Ngami. Therefore they 000) for final payments for KasaneKazungula have never stopped going to the lake for fishing and this Sewerage Scheme project. is dangerous as they end up losing lives at the lake. If fishing was open for these people, they were not going • Pollution Prevention and Control requires a to suffer. There is no how one can ignore something that provision of Five Million, Nine Hundred and can be helpful in his life, more specially if he had tried Thirty One Thousand, Four Hundred and Thirty that thing before. Four Pula (P5, 931,434) for the Development of Waste Policy and an integrated Pollution Control I am standing here asking you to do the impact assessment Act and Development of Air Quality Management report so that Lake Ngami can be opened. Fish is dying Framework. in the lake while people are dying of hunger out there. I do not think that assessment is that important to us Department 2008 - National Museum and because as a government our main mandate is to take Monuments – P4, 500,000 care of our people.

A provision of Four Million, Five Hundred Thousand The Second challenge is problematic animals; the lions Pula (P4, 500,000) is required for the Monument are killing livestock and the owners are not compensated Development project. even though there is a policy that says such people must be compensated. The residents in my constituency are Madam Chairperson, this concludes my presentation owed close to 2 million, since 5 years back they have not of the 2015/2016 recurrent and development budget been compensated. Minister I urge you to talk to your requests for my Ministry. I therefore move that the sum office so that they could compensate our people on time. of Six Hundred and Fifteen Million, Four Hundred and These backlogs of payments are the reasons some people Forty Four Thousand and Four Pula (P615,444,400) might decide to kill some wild animals as a payback for under the Recurrent Budget for Head 2000 be approved having killed their livestock. What we want is a prompt and stand part of the Schedule of Appropriation compensation to the people. I do not understand why it (2016/2017) Bill, 2016 (No. 1 of 2016); and that has to take such a long time for the compensations to be the sum of Two Hundred and Thirteen Million, Five paid; it shows a serious inefficiency. People are failing Hundred and Seventeen Thousand, Six hundred and to co-exist with wild animals due to this. Forty Three Pula (P213, 517, 643) for Head 2000 in the Development Fund Estimates be approved and stand The Government idea of Community Based Natural part of those estimates. Resources Management (CBNRM) was a very great concept but it does not seem to be effective because there I thank you. I move accordingly. are no communities who seem to be benefiting from MR KWEREPE (NGAMI): I thank you Madam the services of CBNRMs. We are trying to build some Chairperson. I support the Minister and also thank trusts but your Ministry is not giving us the necessary him for his efforts in improving the tourism sector in support. One of the Government strategies is to make

16 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2000 -- ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM- Committee of Supply sure that the animals benefits us a nation so you need to means to meet with the Honourable minister but were look into this matter urgently. The conflict between the unsuccessful. This is one of the resolutions that were people and animals is an issue of concern to them and discussed at the CBNRM Forum. myself as their Minister. We receive complaints about As I earlier said, I do not see the benefit of this process animals daily. There was an arrangement that was made because even when we discussed the main budget, by the tourism sector to try and help those who have I explained that it is not in the constitution of the been affected but I have forgotten the English name ….. country. The way the Ministry of Wildlife and Tourism HONOURABLE MEMBER: Levy. accumulates money is also not constitutional. When John Steinberg was a Member of Parliament in 1968 in MR KWEREPE: I beg your pardon. the first Parliament that created the Tribal Land Act, he said that the Bechuanaland Democratic Party manifesto HONOURABLE MEMBER: Levy. states that communal and individual rights to land are MR KWEREPE: It is not levy. It is the one that is going to be respected by Bechuanaland Democratic available to assist people. Party. It was even used in Parliament as one of the pillars of amending the Tribal Land Act. Even when it HONOURABLE MEMBER: The social responsibility. was amended in 1992, the Attorney General who was then Honourable Skelemani explained that communal MR KWEREPE: The social corporate responsibility. I and individual rights to land are going to be respected. do not know if it is voluntary or if is authorised because it is not functional. If it was authorised, it will be binding When the Moremi Game Reserve was located on to them to help out without being followed up. Lastly, tribal land which is communally owned by identifiable the tourism offices are no longer called land boards but people, the reasoning behind that was to the effect that are rather called by the societies that oversee the tourism we can feed even the outlying areas with wild animals; sector. I do not know how you view this Honourable so that they can have refuge and those that lives on them Minister. The land board needs to take responsibility of can do so. That was the Community Based Natural allocating plots for tourism. Resource Management (CBNRM), so that people could understand that this is a financial economic asset. White Tourism investors in my constituency are complaining people assisted and the reports that were produced that they have long applied for their leases but they indicated that to increase the value of the outlying never got a reply therefore they are not developing or adjacent wilderness plains is one of the aims of due to this. We are now worried that people who have establishing a game reserve. What happens now is that been employed in these camps might lose their jobs those outlying areas where there are community based due to their employer’s lease issues which have been organisations there are people who now earn a living pending for years. These people are not developing but through game farming. There was once a man called at the same time we are promoting tourism as a form of Mr Khama and that was what he was called by that employment. These investors are held up by the leases time before he came to be called Sir Seretse Khama, that they long applied for. Honourable Minister lets us who said in Parliament that one has to make a decision resolve these matters as urgently as possible. Thank you. on whether they rear cattle or wild animals. He even MR MOREMI (MAUN WEST): Thank you Madam said that as Bangwato they had no interest in rearing Chairperson. I was not planning to say anything because wild animals. This therefore means that those who want from way back I have never seen the benefit of coming to rear wild animals if they think they have a choice, to Parliament to talk. I do not see how I can bring myself they must make that decision. He said that in 1961 in to come to Parliament and grovel for funds that I am October, in this Parliament. The decision has therefore entitled to. There was a Community Based Natural been made by those who took it that they will raise the Resource Management Forum recently in Maun; it was value of our country through taking care of the wildlife, a meeting for all the Non-Governmental Organisations creating tourism assets, and in declaring tourism as an (NGOs) that deals with use of natural resources. industry into our area’. And that is done. They have come up with resolutions and the reason I In 2013, 2014 and 2015 the government then stated that am standing is because I would like the Honourable it will be taking away our areas and placing them at Minister to understand one of their resolutions and the land bank and it will be the one to distribute them. engage it because according to CBNRMs it is of great Really! Can someone take something that belongs to concern. The main one is that they are concerned about someone else! The Bechuanaland Democratic Party the fact that the Honourable Minister does not want to manifesto clearly stated that, ‘individual and communal meet up with them. They said that they have tried by all ownership of land will be respected.’ The Constitution

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of Botswana even says that however currently the Moswaane. CBOs complain about the resolutions that have been written. Honourable Kwerepe has just been explaining MR MOIPISI: Thank you Mr Chairman. I should start that. There is now something called the land bank that off by talking about climate change that the Minister gives out licenses to foreign operators. We are seeing mentioned in his speech that Botswana is on the way to communism tendencies that were practices in history drafting a climate change policy. Honourable Minister by Russia where government had all the powers. This Botswana is already behind and we should have long then results in a vacuum because there is no owner, now started work on this issue. We realised when we were the state becomes the owner. The government states in France last time that countries have made progress to that, ‘this national interest belongs to all of us, so I take try and address this issue. We can see that things have from you.’ You then wonder why the many boreholes changed in our country, there is drought, there are less that have been drilled in Serowe are not taken and yet rains, disease and dams are drying up. All these things we find it right to take concessions and game reserves are a result of global warming and I would like to say form communities in the pretext that they belong to that the time has come for us to have a policy that will everyone and people will work in the industry if they show people how we intend to protect ourselves from want employment’. It is even there in the Bible that it is the effects of climate change; adaptation and mitigation not good to take that which belongs to somebody else. of impacts of climate change. That is basically what I Then somebody wants us to come to Parliament and beg am saying, that we are behind and we should strive to for developments! Well, I find it very difficult to beg have that policy in place. you to give me what belongs to me. We have been talking about climate change, or global HONOURABLE MEMBERS:...laughter... warming and countries normally hold what is called ‘Global Earth Hour every 19th of March.’ They suspend MR MOREMI: No, I am saying that one is illegal and their jobs for a period to remember and reduce all that I would not be doing it. The CBOs complain that the contributes to global warming. Others turn off the lights, powers have been taken away from them. There was one they car pool as a way to reduce energy consumption. man called Brook Hayes at the department of Wildlife So, as Botswana we will hold the Global Earth Hour and National Parks, he is the one who came and did on March 19th too. I would like to encourage the what was done at the time when Africa was divided. He Honourable Members that we should do something on did the same with at the Wildlife and National Parks in March 19th from 20:30 to 21:30 to try and commemorate 1992 when the CBN was done. Whether there are people this day that tries to reduce global warming. there is irrelevant to a Dutch man or a Belgian called Brook Hayes. We are however there, we live there, we Let me finish with climate change and now move on rear our livestock there and we survive on those things to waste. As Botswana, we do not have a hazardous but we are told that all that will be taken away because waste landfill site. This means we do not know where we are going against what the policy says. There is a the hazardous waste which is generated by companies contradiction though because, when you go back to the ends up. Maybe it ends up in the veld, others at our Ministry of Lands and Housing, we are told to register landfills which are not designed for hazardous waste. our plots including the old places we used to reside at. I Honourable Minister maybe the time has come for us do not think that I can stand up to support a request for to request funds to build hazardous waste sites. These such an illegal budget. Thank you Mr Chairman. days we have these gadgets, computers. Just imagine, MR MOIPISI (KGALAGADI NORTH): Thank you these computers have been here for a very long time; Mr Chairman. I will start off by… where are they going to be disposed of? These are some of the things which we need to pay close attention to, MR MOSWAANE: Point of order. I just wanted to and request government to build hazardous waste sites. correct something because we record these proceedings. An example of a hazardous waste site Honourable The Member stated that some words were said in this Minister; you can go to South Africa at a place called Parliament in 1961 but I would like to say that it is Holfontein in Johannesburg. When I was still working at information that can mislead. I hope that Kgosi will not Debswana, I visited that place. That is where companies misunderstand me but it was not referred to as Parliament like Debswana dispose of hazardous waste, but it is very back then in 1961, it was called the Legislative Council, costly for Botswana because it is monitored to ensure please correct that. Thank you so much. that the environment does not get polluted in any way.

MR MOREMI: Yes Sir, I should correct that. It was Moving on from that one on hazardous waste Minister, called the Legislative Council. Sorry Honourable let me now talk about community trusts, or talk about

18 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2000 -- ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM- Committee of Supply people who make a living out of natural resources, those hyena finds your goats, as we are giving people goats for who are far from developments or resources. People in the poverty eradication programme; this hyena would my constituency, particularly talking about it; they used slay them all and that would mean the end of the project, to depend on hunting wild animals; now since hunting and an individual would suffer. If there is compensation has been stopped, they are facing challenges. There is which someone could get, maybe they would buy some nothing which is generating income in the community more goats. I heard the Minister very well when he trusts. In January when I was consulting with them, said we should encourage people to take care of their they were lamenting saying since there is no hunting, belongings. Even when they take care of them, during no funds are not coming in. They really need assistance the night the spotted hyena attacks goats; it comes and from your ministry Honourable Minister. kills them right inside the kraals. These are some of the points which we could review. Let me also talk about the Anti-poaching Unit. You said in your presentation that you are going to build The tourism office ni Kgalagadi North; at the moment a wildlife camp at Kang. I am grateful for that one we are getting assistance from the Tsabong office. Honourable Minister. Although there are many pending Honourable Minister you know Tsabong is very far appeal cases, I do not know what the matter is; this will from Hukuntsi. Let us also look into some of these now cause a delay. The people in the constituency will things and consider having a satellite Tourism office find jobs when this facility is being constructed. This is in Hukuntsi so that it services Kgalagadi North, rather than us depending on Tsabong, which is more than 500 something we are very grateful for. kilometres from Hukuntsi. The officer does not serve You also spoke about veld fires; the Kgalagadi the constituency well because they are far. constituency at large is prone to veld fires, annually the Let me conclude with this one of reuse of waste water. veld burns. I heard you saying in your speech that you Honourable Minister collaborate more with Honourable have secured vehicles which will be used in fighting Mokaila because since we are country which does not these fires as well as the porta cabins where they will be have enough water, we could re-use this waste water. stationed. I did not hear you mentioning my Kgalagadi Thank you. constituency, yet it is an area susceptible to fires every ASSISTANT MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND year. SKILLS DEVELOPMENT (MR GOYA): Thank you You have also talked about the cultural celebrations Mr Chairperson for giving me this opportunity. Even venue at Diphuduhudu. This place has long been though there are no elephants in Palapye, they attacked talked about, and it is still being talked about; there is us last year. nothing happening there. Check what the problem could I want to say the Ministry of Environment, Wildlife be because I remember when we were doing budget and Tourism is one of the Ministries which could allocations last year, we still talked about it. be generating a lot of income for this country. This Conflict between grazing areas and wildlife; my Ministry is really trying, there is a lot that it is doing. constituency of Kgalagadi, even my predecessors have It is generating income because tourists come here to been told that there is conflict between grazing land see our wildlife. I was thinking we should ensure that and wildlife areas. Farmers have realised that it seems for those who cannot afford to go and see our wildlife national parks have occupied more space; 57 per cent of at our game reserves, can you not ensure that in places the land is for wildlife and only 37 per cent is for grazing like Gaborone, Francistown and Palapye included, you and residential, and 7 per cent for freehold. They asked find a place where you can put an elephant, lions and me to request you Minister to visit the constituency, and cheetahs; build a huge place where you can house them. listen to their grievances as the people of Kgalagadi, We see in other countries they do not have places where so that when they talk about lack of grazing land and they go to see wildlife naturally, but they have captured wildlife, you would know what they exactly mean. them and put them zoos. School children go there to see them nearby; they do not have to ride in vehicles The predators which are not compensated for; I once with big wheels going far in the bush. They see them talked about this issue in the last session of Parliament, right under their noses, and there is income which is that there are some predators which are not compensated generated which in the end assists in the economy of for. Animals like the spotted hyena. The suggestion a country. I was thinking we could do the same thing. from the constituency is that rather than increasing the existing compensation amount, maybe the number of We heard you saying in your speech Honourable predators covered could be increased. When the spotted Minister that, “Batswana continue to participate in the

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tourism industry.” Where we are currently, let it not sensitize Batswana about it. We were once showed a just be participation for Batswana only, let it be that video about this and the assumption was that after that Batswana should compete with these foreigners in the it will be shown to the rest of the nation just to sensitize tourism industry. I hope if we could do a bit of research them on the danger of this. That never happened. That right now and look at the 762 Batswana you are talking is why when we were attacked by elnino just a while about who own the tourism businesses, comparing them ago, a lot of Batswana lost their lives due to lack of with the 234 foreign owned businesses, when you look knowledge when it comes to climate change. at the benefits accrued by Batswana, they are far below those gained by foreigners. The 234 foreigners make Climate change has its own aftermath and we did not very high profit; hence this shows that as Batswana we think out of the box when our dams ran dry because are not yet at the desired stage in the tourism sector. we could have dug out the soil that has been there. Therefore Batswana should be capacitated such that Now we are in a rainy season, the water is filling up they will be able to compete in our tourism industry. the dams while they are filled up with that soil. We did not take advantage of the climate change and I believe I would like to commend the Honourable Minister for these are the things that we ought to learn so that we having been able to conclude on the policy that governs take advantage. tourism. It was long overdue because we should have adopted it long time ago and it will be governing the One more thing, may I urge you to talk to your colleague tourism sector. Minister of Energy and Water Resources and ask him what he intends to do with the quantity of waste that we Honourable Minister, what do we intend to do with the see around the country which some now look like a hill escalating number of elephants which has reached a when it is just a hip of garbage. It can benefit us if we number of 170 000 and yet we are complaining of lack use it to produce electricity because it is worrisome that of insufficient funds when we have assets like these. we do not have enough electricity as a country and yet These elephants continue to destroy people’s property we are surrounded by too much waste. Villages that are and in Palapye they destroyed their fences. Sometimes around these areas should have been connected to the when we raise complaints about them we are told that national grid from the waste area but that is not the case. we should just learn to live with them. This does not sit well with my constituents. Now since we are not This is something that we need to seriously consider used to living with them, it will be ideal for the tourism because waste can play an important role and we officers to teach us how to live with them instead of just therefore have to come up with strategies that we can being told that we will learn to live with them, that is explore to make use of it. However let me commend the way to address people like us who have never seen you for having been able to conclude on the issue of the an elephant until this age. May I urge you to encourage Climate Change Policy. Maybe the reason why you did your officers to go around the country in areas where not do anything on educating Batswana about climate there are not elephants on how to behave should they change was because there was no policy to guide you. have an encounter with elephants? Therefore I believe this policy will assist and keep us I would also like to comment you for the advice you from losing our lives because we have already lost lives rendered to us when we wanted to construct a junior due to lack of knowledge. school in Francistown Gerald Estates because we forgot I support your submission so that you can be able to conduct the EIA (Environmental Impact Assessment). to serve Batswana all that they need but with more I can assure you that the construction is still in process focus on what I have said earlier on. Some Members and it is targeted to be in operational next year 2017. of Parliament are of the view that spending time on However I am still wondering how others like BHC debates is not profitable. Maybe this is because they managed to construct houses without your input because have realised that of the proposals they make are we had the desire to buy their houses for our teachers disregarded but accordingly, these suggestions that are only to find them cracked. How were they given the coming from this House should highly be considered. permission to construct in that area without conducting So in the next Committee of Supply report you should the EIA first, is it possible for that to happen without the come with an enhanced report from the comments made assessment first? by Members of Parliament. This is what I request you to do Honourable Member in future, but not only you, The other issue that I wanted to touch on is that of even other Ministers who bring Committee of Supply climate change. This is an issue that has been talked reports in Parliament. They must make it a point that about for a very long but we are not doing enough to the comments coming from members going forward

20 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2000 -- ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM- Committee of Supply are taken into consideration because they can make a why we will lose many of these animals is actually not difference. This will avoid comments from Honourable because of poaching. It is because of the plant species Members across the aisle disregarding our procedures. that we are losing as a country, as a result of this elephant I thank you. over population.

MR GAOLATHE (GABORONE BONNINGTON I think we also need to have a specific strategy around SOUTH): Thank you, Madam Chairperson for this how we want to manage other resources such as the fish opportunity. Thank you Honourable Minister for your sector. I think it is possible to have a comprehensive presentation. It has to be said that no one can impugn on strategy where as a ministry, you want to be able to say, your love and passion for the wildlife. In my submission we want to build this type of skills, this type of quantum, I wish to both acknowledge some of the work that we want to be very strong in these parts of the value your Ministry has done but at the same time, I hope to chain. This is possible and it can be done and there are provide or advance alternatives or suggestions on how many benchmarks around the world. to do some of your work better. Indeed I have indicated that your ministry is doing Botswana has always seen itself as a country whose some good work, some of which has caught my eye. approach to tourism is one that focuses on high and An example is the refurbishment of some of these prestige ecotourism. This approach is probably not historic buildings and the construction of gate houses at optimal for Botswana. It is probably an approach that a number of these very scenic and historic places. That certainly has to be taken in certain parts of the country is something that is very good and must be encouraged. particularly in the Okavango; that is where that type However, I think you need to revise the strategy and the of approach is most relevant. But in other parts of way in which you do that. the country, I think it is high time that Botswana In other countries what they would do is to actually considers other types of approach to tourism that takes establish a trust, a big trust which would have the into account a higher volume and a larger amount of advantage of an autonomous entity which focuses on a Batswana participating in this sector. That is strategy at specific mandate to identify these sites to go into smart a higher level. partnerships with the potential specialists in these areas. Find ways for these facilities to generate revenues not I am aware as you have indicated in your report that your necessarily to make a lot of money or to make money ministry is working on a policy. I would hope that one but in a way that they are sustainable, in a way that they of the things that your policy or some of the things that are able to reinvest and to refurbish and do what I think your policy would want to look at is specifically how your ministry is trying to do but does not have resources big you want your tourism to be. How many tourists you to do it. In fact, you will never have enough resources to hope to attract into this country. How many jobs you do what I believe you want to do. think are feasible and specifically what type of tourists you are looking at. You have to be in a position to say we When you look at communities around Botswana, I are only interested in tourists coming out of Europe and acknowledge the work that your ministry is doing in Japan, we do not want tourists from these other parts of terms of initiatives to plant trees. This responsibility the world. I hope your policy would be very specific. also has to be given to communities. Communities have This is very important and this is what other countries to be able to decide themselves that they want to make that have been successful in tourism, have been doing. their spaces greener, they want to plant trees but they will also have to be given the responsibility themselves Looking at your strategy for the management of wildlife to establish trusts, trusts which they as communities, and general management of forestry and other forest contribute to in different ways in kind and financially resources, yes, one of the things you want to look at is and those that are able to demonstrate that they are sustainability. My feeling is that the current strategy is pursuing this mandate in an efficient way, in a way not sustainable. It may not be intentional but it is not that is good for the country, then you meet them half sustainable. It is not sustainable because the number of way. I think that type of involvement of communities is elephants that we are allowing in this country whatever probably the route that you want to take. the population is whether it is 170 000, whatever it is, we have so many elephants which are putting our I no longer know who is really responsible whether whole habitat in danger. In fact, we have already lost your ministry or the Ministry Of Water Affairs for tens of thousands of certain plant species without which sewage. This is a time bomb and I think I am saying animals like the antelopes will not be able to survive this for the second time and for the second time you are in this country. So you will find that one of the reasons shaking your head in agreement. Whatever the role of

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your ministry in this is, I think the point here is that the but I think we have to spread that which is available country is under investing in this area. And whatever in Botswana. You will be one of the ministries that can the role is, I believe that you have to use whatever your actually assist and facilitate the diversification of our role is to ensure that this country invests adequately in economy. sewerage, particularly in low income areas. What is also appealing to me on this subject matter, I have always said that we have a fragmented way is the fact that some of your product offering would of Governments’ involvement in the financing of be in the rural areas, such as mine which is Sefhare- businesses. Financing I mean institutions such as Ramokgonami. What you would do will largely affect the Botswana Development Corporation (BDC) and the women that are doing little businesses. That is why I Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA). find it very enticing to say we at Sefhare-Ramokgonami I believe that we should have a system of business funds we are ready and willing. We would like you to consider that invest in feasible business ideas and a sub-sector of some product of some form that you can bring to our those business ideas that are eco-friendly, businesses in constituency. I am sure if you know that area very well, solar, businesses that add to our sustainable or our idea we are known for the water springs and hills that are of establishing businesses that encourage sustainability. there. I invite you to investigate within my constituency, I believe your ministry has to inspire a fund that would to look at Borotsi, Chadibe, Sefhare, Ramokgonami, help in investing in business projects that are eco- and Tumasera-Seleka. Around there I am sure that friendly. there is something that you can get and utilise to further diversify the product offering that you have. Finally, I think that there has to be a very systematic and organised way of training Community Based National You have a challenge Minister, one of your greatest Resources Management (CBNRM) participates. challenges is human and animal conflict. I do not know what you are going to do in the future, but it is an area MINISTER OF HEALTH (MS MAKGATO): Thank that needs some creative ways of confronting it head on. you very much Madam Chairperson, for giving me this I know that you have got a number of initiatives that we opportunity to stand first of all to support my honourable are trying. Here I am talking with particular reference to colleague. He is Kgosi in my constituency. I support his the elephants. We were so shocked in my constituency budget request. I have a number of areas that I want to to discover elephants at Maape and also Ngwapa. My congratulate him on. Some which perhaps when I was constituents set dogs on them because they did not even Minister of Trade and Industry we were forever fighting know how you deal with them. At least there were better about. I think the strategic approach that he is taking than an alleged man somewhere around Radisele area, to EIAs where he is pushing the agenda of using this who was taking his children to school and on his way he instrument to facilitate but not frustrate, we see that sees these elephants. He ran away for his dear life, got there is a number of developments, as a result of his home and the wife says, “Where are the kids”, and he fast tracking of this EIAs and looking at further ways of said. “I do not know, my wife”. The wife had to run and insuring that they do facilitate in the quickest possible look for these children from where elephants were and manner. I think you deserve to be congratulated. I am only to find out that kids had managed to make their way sure you will continue to review them as time goes on, to school. So investigate us, I think we have potential in but so far what you have achieved one has to appreciate my constituency. that. I also want you to be strict, I know my constituents I also want to appreciate and congratulate you on would probably shout at me when I get back. We have a your efforts to try and sell Botswana in terms of what beautiful village called Mathako. It is well renowned for it is worth. The strategic partnerships such as the the marula trees that are there, to an extent that… International Tourism Bourse (ITB), I think it is a good one. More often than not, we take these things for HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible)… granted, but I know how difficult it is to negotiate, be in a position to be rated, to be worthy of being a partner. MS MAKGATO: Morula trees, yes, I am now used to The relationship that we have with national geographic Amarula. and so forth, I think it is commendable, there is quite a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: … (Murmurs)... number that you have articulated in your submission. I see that there is a lot of diversification in terms of MS MAKGATO: I would like to withdraw that your product offering. I wish we could speed it up. I statement. You know if you go to that place during spring do appreciate that sometimes it is budgetary constraints, time and you see you can actually get a feeling that,

22 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2000 -- ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM- Committee of Supply you know when you do Cape Town to Port Elizabeth We have engaged intensely with the Minister of route, where the trees cover the road, it is absolutely Infrastructure, Science and Technology, I just want to awesome and it is just green. What is concerning me bring your on board as well. I think it would be something is that they just cut them for no apparent reason, we that will be amicably resolved. Would it not be nice to do are just chopping them left, right and centre. I think that and then bring another product offering to balance our ability to relate that this relates to global warming it with that? I am sure my constituents would be very and to the aesthetics and all those other things, we happy. Thank you very much Madam Chairperson. have absolutely no relation. Most importantly, we have been one of those constituencies together with that of MR MOLATLHEGI (GABORONE SOUTH): Thank Honourable Maele who had been able to make money you Madam Chairperson. I want to say that the Ministry out of morula trees. Where women go to gather this of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism can do better morula tree, then we are able to squeeze oil out of it than what it is doing already. I am aware of the fact that and do little and there are little companies that are there. the personnel in that ministry have been trained to do This is where I want to help, because the people that are the work and they know it. I therefore believe that if in the cities have realised that we have got this resource. they could put in some efforts in their work, they can be They come there with a bucket and they will pay our profitable in their work. They are not the only ministry people very insignificants amounts. I know that I do not which can do better, the other problem is that Cabinet like informal businesses to be formalised, but on this does not work well as well. This is one of the ministries one just like mophane worm, some people may come which we could be using to curb poverty and it could from cities and come to collect from these people with partner with the Ministry of Local Government and a minimal pay. Buckets of these will be sold for a little Rural Development in poverty eradication measures. as P8 or something like that, some ridiculous offerings. We have poverty eradication measures but then we look I would just want you to look at that. at the way poverty goes, it is rooted in areas which are rich in game, areas such as Okavango, Ngamiland and HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible)… Central Kalahari Game Reserve (CKGR). We have a community- based Natural Resources Management MS MAKGATO: Yes I am talking about morula and (CBNRM) programme which we could be using to the talk about morula nuts for these nuts we use to make maximum to eradicate poverty. these beautiful oils which have a potential. I asked your protection with mophane worm, I know that this year we I wonder how we came about to ban fishing instead of have not had much, but it is a significant resource in my using Honourable Tsogwane`s ministry to teach people constituency. Please protect us, try and facilitate ease to keep fish. There is an option of fish farming, and of export between us and the South African. Sometimes monitoring this sector than banning fishing altogether. we do it right and then the others are not doing the same After this ban, most of them were stolen, more than P30 as we do. Please encourage your staff to go on intensive million has been exported through illegal fishing. Why education and awareness of how to export mophane can we not instead encourage game farming than to ban worm out of our area across the border. Sometimes we fishing? end up having little hiccups here and there, which we The income that the government has been getting from cannot deal with. hunting licenses is a lot of money. Actually what we I think the only other issue that I had with your ministry have done is that we have taken this money and put into was to try and facilitate where you can. I know that the coffers of farm owners who have animals in their recently you have got a new programme where you farms. Why can we not ask Honourable Tsogwane`s are looking at creative ways of doing Agro Tourism. ministry to help these Community Based Natural I think we have potential to be considered for Agro Resource Management Committees to have farms and Tourism. The youth from my constituency are very keep game? I fail to understand why. That is why I am saying this ministry can still do more than it is doing at much interested in that, I think it is an area again if I the moment. invite you to my constituency, I would like your team to be able to educate upon. I get a lot of enquiries and I Madam Chairperson, in countries that I usually visit, I do no not have the relevant answers of how to promote found an elephant orphanage in Kenya. Young elephants it. I would like to promote it because I see potential of whose mothers have been killed by poachers are kept that in my own constituency. We had an issue with your there. They are given milk and food. When they are ministry last year, but I just want to mention it because grown up, they are sent back to the wilderness to live on it is with reference to the area that we have designated their own. Taking care of them attracts a lot of tourism. around Pilikwe area, for us to be able to put all the People pay to go and see them being fed and when they hazardous waste. are treated. Why can we not do the same in our country?

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Madam Chairperson, I am worried that we have wealth Honourable Tshekedi day and night than to vote for the in our country and we cannot put them to good use. UDC. What does the UDC know? What do you think However, I know that there are people are trained for you can do? You cannot do or know anything. I would this job which I believe they should do with their all. rather pester the person I know of their capability than I therefore implore you to do everything you can to do you. With you it is like running away and throwing these things to redeem people from poverty. myself into a pit.

At the moment, we have the Human wildlife conflict HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Inaudible. in these areas and we have been encouraging people to plough through Honourable Ralotsia`s ministry. MR MOLATLHEGI: No, you are provoking me. We have given him funds to plough yet we know that Lastly, I want to encourage the Cabinet that they can elephants are going to destroy their crops. How have accomplish these initiatives only when they work you helped him to ensure that elephants do not destroy together. Poverty eradication, we could be at 95 per cent his crops? We can do better as government. Let us be accomplishment. serious and do our job. I doubt we are working seriously. DR MMATLI: On a point of order. Thank you Madam Chairperson. I think Honourable Molatlhegi is out of The other thing that I think is not done according to the order, someone sought clarification and he denied it laws of Botswana is the land allocations of tourism. saying he does not have time. Thereafter, the attacks the I do not think they should be done by the Ministry of UDC and not focus on what he is talking about. He is Environment, Wildlife and Tourism. If I recall well, the out of order. law dictates that land should be allocated by the land board. But if the Minister has taken a decision in his MADAM CHAIRPERSON: You are out of order ministry to deal with allocations of tourism, is he not Honourable Mmatli. supposed to do that through a subsidiary legislation? MR MOLATLHEGI: Thank you Madam Chairperson. He should bring a Statutory Instrument to Parliament I did not intend to attack the UDC, but they provoked so that we can ask him how he reached the conclusion. me despite knowing that when someone does that to me, What I do not understand right now is why this is the I am very strong when I hit back. case and if indeed the law command thus, why is it not followed? This should be done properly. Lastly Madam Chairperson, you talked about the Intended National Determined Contributions (INDCSs) HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. for mitigation and impact of climate change. I do not MR MOLATLHEGI: No. know if you have ever come across those so that we can look at them and see if they correspond with what we HONOURABLE MEMBER: Just a small one. should do. I believe these things should be articulated and taught Batswana so that we own them as Batswana. MR MOLATLHEGI: No, I said no clarification. I want They should not just be written on paper while we never the Statutory Instrument to be brought to Parliament so see them. I conclude thus Madam Chairperson. that we can come and ask the Minister of Lands and Housing why this is the case and for us to understand MR MZWINILA (MMADINARE): Thank you and be able to explain to other people who may ask us Honourable Chairperson. Let me first of all start by because there is going to be chaos regarding this land. showing my full support for the Honourable Minister. Honourable Moremi recently talked about this and I I think he is doing a really splendid job in his Ministry. know that there are issues arising in his constituency. The people of Mmadinare appreciate his effort in terms Honourable Kwerepe has the same problems. Let us of assisting us. solve these issues and let everything be done accordingly. The first issue I would like to talk about is BCL Mine Lastly Madam Speaker is the National Climate Change and Sulphur dioxide. I think we need your assistance Policy. During the 10th Parliament, I promised that before Honourable Minister in terms of this issue. It has I go and thrash the Umbrella for Democratic Change been around for three decades and BCL continues (UDC) in the past elections, the Climate Change Policy unashamedly to pollute Mmadinare. I do not know would be in this House but until now, it is not here. It is going forward what should be done because we as being postponed. a community have talked about it and I as a Member of Parliament and even in your report Honourable HONOURABLE MEMBER: Inaudible. Minister you have also mentioned that you have advised MR MOLATLHEGI: If anything, I would follow BCL in terms of ensuring that they stop polluting the

24 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2000 -- ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM- Committee of Supply environment. I think going forward maybe the position those whose ancestors or the remains of their ancestors needs to be changed a bit, that now BCL should be had to be moved to pave way for this dam that is now instructed to do something in terms of making sure that supplying the Southern part of Botswana, I think they they stop polluting the environment. To stop polluting should be affirmatively assisted with tourism plots for the environment is around P10 million, that is all the reason that they had to sacrifice by the movement required to fix that smelter and the smoke stack and of their settlements, the movement of the graveyards or they are asking Government to guarantee P1 billion. gravesites in order to make way for the dams. And I think So, I think that going forth Honourable Minister, may that is where affirmative action is required because the be a condition for any Government assistance or any people had to sacrifice their land, they had to sacrifice money from Government or any Government guarantee even their graveyards and their gravesites and move to Bamangwato Concessions Limited (BCL), there their ancestors; and it is quite sensitive in our culture to should be a condition that they must commit, that they move the remains of ancestors. And for this, we feel that are going to stop polluting the environment. I think this we should not be competing with people who did not do would help a long way in terms of ensuring that BCL that sacrifice of having to move an entire settlement, and stops polluting the environment. having to move even the remains of ancestors who were supposed to be in eternal peace. I think that you should also ask BCL to make sure that they have a corporate social investment in Mmadinare The other issue Honourable Minister is that we have a Constituency, because it is not a luxury for them problem; my constituency is one of the areas affected by to corporate or socially invest in the Constituency elephant in the country. I think going forward, in terms simply because they are polluting the environment. of elephant population increasing, Honourable Minister, And basically you should invest where you pollute. I you may have to look at this issue about the human- think a simple principle is that where they pollute, they elephant confrontation or co-existence because we are must invest. And I think that may be going forward, if having serious problems in terms of how we deal and Government is to assist or bail out BCL in any manner how we live with elephants. or form, there should be an element of asking them or It has now started to rain; we know that the elephants are directing them that they must invest especially in the coming, because when the streams fill up, the rivers fill up health of Mmadinare constituency. I always hear the in my constituency, the elephants come. They cross the argument that we need to safeguard the jobs of the border and we know that we are going to be submitting 6000 or 5000 employees of BCL, but nobody ever a lot of claims to your Ministry about damage which thinks about the 40 000 constituents of Mmadinare these elephants are going to cause. I once asked that constituency who are affected by the pollution that is may be instead of saying you are going to remove the caused by the mine. Nobody ever talks about the 15 000 hunting material, maybe you should allow community people in Mmadinare village who for 30 years have had based organisations, community based natural resource to endure the smoking pollution from BCL mine. And I organisations to make some sort of living from the think that going forward, this is the opportune time when elephants, to have controlled hunting, not just for they need money from Government, when they need everybody but for community based organisations in some sort of guarantee from Government, this is the order for them to make some sort of a living or some opportune time to now direct them Honourable Minister sort of a living allowance for the community from their that they must do something about their pollution, and sale of elephants or rights to hunt elephants. because I they must invest where they have polluted over the past think that going forward, it is an issue that we may have 3 decades. to look at in a bit more detail. The other issue Honourable Minister is in terms of In terms of fishing also Honourable Minister, fishing in the dam’s tourism master plans that you mentioned. the dams; Letsibogo Dam and also Dikgatlhong Dam, I understand that these tourism development plots we have a fish hatchery in Letsibogo dam, and that fish will be advertised. My thinking is that they should be hatchery is only one of the skills in the country, but advertised, but some of them should be reserved for going forward, I would appreciate if efforts could be the people of Mmadinare constituency for a simple made to turn that in to a community based organisation reason; let us take Dikgatlhong Dam, the establishment or cooperative in order to create employment. I think of Dikgatlhong Dam required the movement of the there is a golden opportunity in that particular project of whole settlement, not just a house or a yard or some the fish hatchery. houses; an entire settlement in my constituency had to be moved in order to pave way for the dam including You can expand the fish hatchery in to a fish farm, and graves and the grave sites. Those who had to move, by so doing it would create employment creation in that

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particular project. I think that going forward, we would On the onset, let me say I see your Ministry being appreciate such efforts. amongst the top five performing Ministries, the first one… In terms of fishing, at Letsibogo dam, what we admire about the officers is that they promote the issue of HONOURABLE MEMBERS: … (Laughing) … catch and release; instead of catching fish and then eating them or whatever the case may be, I think this MR GUMA: I am not taking away any other; please let type of ecotourism, of catching and releasing especially me be understood, because sometimes you have to say the bass fish because at Letsibogo dam you find the these things for the public knowledge. I see the Ministry specific species of bass fish, that is one of the biggest of Minerals at the top, and then I see Health, yourself, in the African continent. I think if these issues can be Lands and Housing; you are trying your best. The others promoted internationally or nationally, we can make a are doing their best but these are the top five where I lot of money out of the fact that Letsibogo dam has one see a lot of effort. You know, you can see something is of the biggest species of bass fish found in the world. happening. Keep that up. We must tell you here and now People come from Germany just to catch and release so that the public then appreciates the good work. such type of fish and that is indigenous to the dam. On that note again, where do we get this? We get this Another issue I would like to talk about in terms of from the Public Accounts Committee. The manner in how we can promote tourism in the constituency or which your officers make presentations, they answer nationally, is the issue you mentioned about tourism questions, they relate to issues, you can then say oh! At officers in the embassies or tourism attachés. I think that least here you can see some elements of collectiveness one of the issues about tourism is the marketing. Would and leadership. That is where we get it from. It is not support you Honourable Minister if you could expand that we see issues from the streets and then come and your Ministry to have an international reach, and be make comments here. We can just see it factually, the present in all of our embassies across the globe. manner in which they present the issues.

The other issue I would like to talk about is the anti- Then having said that, there are many challenges that poaching units. I think your Anti-poaching units are you face. They will always be there. Where I come doing a sterling job, and I agree with policy of zero from Honourable Minister, the biggest challenge we tolerance for poachers and for poaching. But I think that are facing is how to co-exist with animals, then fight they are in danger if we do not adequately equip them. I Foot and Mouth and assist people again to complement think that it is very important that they have the proper government efforts by ploughing, on the agricultural type of equipment, proper type of resources because side. Like the Honourable Member just said, at the they are going against dangerous poachers. And in this Dikgatlhong area, when we built that dam, there is regard, I would support the issue that you mentioned something that we overlooked, and that is the movements that they should be properly equipped and even have of elephants. The elephants have always existed with helicopters to assist them in terms of the anti-poaching people in that area but it was always a seasonal issue. duties that they perform. I think that even more They will come in and go and they will not really disturb resources are required because those ones are directly people that much. But now we are faced with this Foot in the line of fire. And on a daily basis, they are the ones and Mouth issue and they move especially from the who ensure that our wild animals and our wildlife are Zimbabwean side. I think they are in search of water. As protected. And I think that going forward to enhance the the people around that area, we are ploughing, but we security; it would also be to enhance the efficiency and cannot plough anymore because they just come in and their numbers also. destroy all the crops.

I read that some of the camps are not going to be opened, I think what we need to do there Honourable Minister and I think that it is important that we realise that with is that we have to consult the community. I do not think security coming at costs, we cannot expect our children the answer is getting in there and getting rid of all the and our brothers and our sisters to go in to harm’s way elephants. I think we need to find ways in which we can but not adequately equip the. I thank you. co-exist with them, more especially that they are close to an area which we have designated as a tourist area, MR GUMA (TATI EAST): Madam Chairperson, let the Dikgatlhong dam. The dam stretches into a big area, me thank you very much, I have waited patiently to three quarters of it is in our area in the North East, in my be given this opportunity. Honourable Minister, let me constituency. You know, Mmadinare likes to claim this stand to support your proposals and your requests. dam and you must stop it.

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HONOURABLE MEMBERS: … (Laughter)… MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOLATLHEGI): no, he was just saying, “If it was the UDC Government.” He MR GUMA: Sorry sir. was just pointing out his desires hence ‘if it was’, so, he MR MZWINILA: On a point of correction Madam is not out of order. Chairperson. Thank you Honourable Chairperson. MR NKAIGWA: I do not know why the Honourable Dikgatlhong dam is in the Mmadinare Constituency. Member is wasting my time. I think you will rather go MR GUMA: Correction again. The Dikgatlhong and help people in Tlokweng with the flooding that is dam, three quarters of it is in the North East, in my currently challenging them. I know maybe he does not constituency. There is nothing you can do about that have a place to sleep because they have been affected Honourable Member. by floods.

MADAM CHAIRPERSON: You will fight outside Mr Chairperson, I believe that as a country, we should Parliament about that. Continue. focus on investing into waste industries, reuse and the recycling of waste that we produce. We should be having MR GUMA: Anyway, having said that, the potential our households or our communities also benefitting out for tourism in that area is huge. I just want to invite you of the waste that they produce from their households. again Minister to visit that area. Just take an aircraft, fly I believe that there are companies and investors out over it and see the beauty of it right now. For the record, there who are willing to come into our country and also I think the dam is getting 100 per cent full now with here in our own country who are willing to utilise the the current rains. I do not know about Letsibogo. But current waste that we produce, more especially in the we are pleading with you to at least just visit that area. City of Gaborone. Waste is a form of energy, waste like Let us interact with the members of the community and the Honourable Members have already mentioned, can see what we can do in terms of- I do not believe that we produce energy in the form of electricity and I believe should kill those animals. I think we should find the way that this has not been expanded by the BDP Government. in which we can manage that. I just wanted to commend That is why I was saying if it was my government, we you for a job that you are doing well. But also to request could have made utilisation of the current waste that you to go there, let us talk to people and come up with we are producing as a nation. To us it is not all about an answer. Thank you very much. waste but it is all about the value and the revenue that can be created out of this waste, in terms of creating EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP jobs for our own young Batswana who continue to be MR NKAIGWA (GABORONE NORTH): Thank you unemployed, Honourable Moswaane. Mr Chairman for affording me this opportunity to also deliberate on this important Ministry which I believe Government introduced the plastic levy, but we are yet one day such a Ministry if it was under the Umbrella to benefit as a nation from the plastic levy. Honourable for Democratic Change (UDC) Government, it will Minister, it is high time that we fast-track a process or be a very, very important Ministry for the economic a system that we can use as government to collect this diversification of our country. I want to believe that for levy. We are losing a lot as households, as communities, the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) Government, by continuing to pay for plastics in various retailers their priority is more into tourism as opposed to other whilst government does not benefit out of the levy that aspects of this Ministry. I also want to believe that for we continue to be levied by the various retailers. For the UDC Government, we shall take matters of the me, I believe something needs to be done Honourable environment with a lot of seriousness because one of the Minister. challenges that we have in this country of unemployment can be addressed through the environment. There is Also our waste Honourable Minister; we are losing a lot a lot that we still need to do as a country in terms of of waste to South Africa which I believe that if indeed addressing our environmental issues. there was more focus given to...

I will mention just a few. If you look at the challenges that MR MOSWAANE: Point of order. I feel that I need to we have in regard to waste in our cities and villages… explain that my Uncle who stays in Tlokweng has lost his wife and I think this is the suspect. MR MOSWAANE: Point of order Mr Chairperson. I want to clarify that we do not have the UDC Government. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... So, this needs to stop for now. They must accept that we are ruling. Thank you. MR CHAIRPERSON: Order!

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MR MOSWAANE: My uncle lost because of a I am saying this to you. This is not a freedom square Councillor who stays in Tlokweng... where you say things like that to one another. You are both Pastors and so desist from such behaviour. I no MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Moswaane! longer want to hear anything about that Tlokweng issue HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... being mentioned here. Order!

MR MOSWAANE: My uncle lost his wife because MR SALAKAE: Point of order. Thank you Mr of a Councillor who stays in Tlokweng; she left him in Chairperson. You just made a ruling that the Honourable December... Member of Parliament must apologise, but he has not done that. I am still to hear you ordering him to MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Moswaane! apologise.

MR MOSWAANE: I think Honourable Nkaigwa must MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! I concluded that issue. be answerable. He becomes very angry when I go to check on my uncle... MR NKAIGWA: Thank you Mr Chairperson. I will ignore everything from the enemy. Honourable HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... Minister, I am trying to contribute positively towards your Ministry, unfortunately there is an element of MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Order! Honourable darkness behind you. But anyway, I will repel it with Moswaane, stand up and withdraw your words! the light that will be coming from this side. I believe MR MOSWAANE: No, when it comes to Honourable Honourable Minister... Nkaigwa I would rather go to jail. This man is ruining MINISTER OF HEALTH (MS MAKGATO): Point my uncle’s marriage. of order. Thank you very much Mr Chairperson. Hey! I HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... am concerned Mr Chairperson because this Parliament is attended by Honourable people. The nation is listening to MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Moswaane! us and they know that we discuss important issues. This ridiculing of one another which is continuous regarding MR MOSWAANE: He really becomes offended when this topic of Tlokweng and continuously irritating each I go to check on my uncle who lost the wife to his other is a daily thing. At which point Mr Chairperson Councillor. is it going to stop? I do not necessarily believe that MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Moswaane, because you admonished them about it today and the I said you should withdraw all those words! other apologised then it is going to stop. Is it provided for? I suggest that you call these MR MOSWAANE: I should withdraw them and direct them to whom? It is alright then I will leave them with gentlemen and sort it out. Students are here to witness Honourable Nkaigwa, I withdraw them. what is happening in Parliament and they hear such talk. It concerns me, it is worrisome, and it is affecting the MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Moswaane, I said integrity of this House. that you should stand and withdraw those words. I do not want it to come with conditions. You should also MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Makgato, I apologise to Honourable Nkaigwa. have closed that issue. I have even told them that I no MR MOSWAANE: He heard me. I said that I withdraw. longer want to hear those words in this House. Let it go He understood me today and he should never repeat so that we continue. what he usually does! MR NKAIGWA: Thank you Mr Chairperson. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... Honourable Minister, your government and your Ministry invested over P1, 4 billion into the Gaborone MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Honourable Integrated Sewer Network which is currently being Moswaane... underutilised. I want to plead to you that let us see to it that we come up with a special fund that can actually MR MOSWAANE: Yes Sir. assist residents of Gaborone to connect to the sewer MR CHAIRPERSON: Please desist from doing that network. and it is not the first time you and Honourable Nkaigwa If you look at the population of Gaborone, almost 20 have done this. You have a tendency of saying things per cent of the total population of Gaborone Self Help that are out of line in this House and this is the last time Housing Agency (SHHA) population have managed to

28 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2000 -- ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM- Committee of Supply connect to it. About 80 per cent of our residents are yet even some Members of Parliament here have never seen to connect. I think the reason government invested so a diamond by our own eyes. We would love to have a massively into the Gaborone Integrated Sewer Project, diamond museum in the city of Gaborone. to address the underground pollution from the pit latrines that we continue to use as residents of Gaborone. I trust One of things that I am also proposing Honourable Honourable Minister that a solution shall be found to Minister is that I want to believe that the fines that are the challenge that we are currently finding ourselves in given to people who are mining sand illegally are very, as residents of Gaborone. As for my own residents in very low. Let us review those fines. I think we need more my constituency, there is a cry Honourable Minister, we punitive fines than the current fines that we have. People are not living well. My residents in Marang, Tsholofelo are mining sand illegally in places like Mahalapye East, Ledumang and Phakalane are challenged by the and Thamaga. People continue to mine sand illegally smell that comes from the Gaborone Treatment Plant. I knowing that the fines are very, very small Honourable do not believe that the smell is good for any resident or Minister. So I want to believe and I trust that indeed you to any Motswana. will be able to address this holistically.

I believe that this is an environmental challenge With regard to urban tourism, let us look at the that needs to be addressed and we need to address it Segoditshane River. I believe that there are good things immediately so that our residents will live in a decent about the Segoditshane river; the river can be developed environment. You cannot even invite a person to your into a tourism attraction place. There can be hotels that house because by inviting a person your house, you can be developed along the Segoditshane River. It can will be challenged by the smell that comes from the be filled with water, it can also be developed so that Gaborone Treatment Plant. Imagine Phakalane, our the fauna that is within it, can actually also attract local own suburbs of Gaborone being challenged by this bad tourism into the city of Gaborone. smell that comes from the treatment plant. I also want to Having said that Honourable Minister, try and talk to challenge you Honourable Minister, let us do something the Minister of Minerals, Energy and Water Resources to try and address the bad odour or smell that comes that we make utilisation of water from the Gaborone from the treatment plant. sewer plant coming back into the city so that we can Again Honourable Minister, I want to believe that develop Gaborone into a greener city. Cities are tourism should not only happen in the Maun or Chobe currently developing agendas of trying to develop green areas, even in Gaborone I believe we ca have urban site cities. I believe that we can also have water from tourism here. I believe that one of the precious items the integrated sewer plant coming back into the city for that we have as a nation or one commodity that we pride communities to plant trees and for those trees to always of as a nation is diamond. During my time as the Mayor be green or to have a city that is evergreen. I thank you of Gaborone, I had a vision or an agenda of trying to Mr Chairperson. turn Gaborone into a diamond city. I believe that there is a need for us to develop a diamond museum in the city MR SALAKAE: On a point of Order! Hey, it is very of Gaborone. cold. I am not sure if that side is also cold. I previously requested that the temperature should be increased a bit, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… I am freezing this side. MR NKAIGWA: It is not wrong, it is not wrong. Many MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes, those who can reduce Batswana do not even know a diamond, but they are the cold have heard you; they will make it comfortable living in a diamond country and it is not wrong for us enough. as a nation to construct and build a diamond museum in Gaborone and it is not wrong for developments in this MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND country to take the shape of a diamond form because COMMUNICATIONS (MR MABEO): Thank you we are a diamond nation. I believe that in order for us Mr Chairperson. Let me start by saying I rise to support to attract urban tourism into the city of Gaborone, yes the budget proposals of the Ministry of Environment, indeed we need to develop a diamond museum in the Wildlife and Tourism. Let me maybe point out that this city of Gaborone. That will also create the many jobs Ministry Honourable Members, when we allocate the that we are longing for, that will also create more and budget, we have to look at it closely because right we more revenue for Government in terms of the urban have a challenge because our diamonds are not being tourism that will be attracted to the city of Gaborone. bought. Now for us to have revenue, the tourism sector Not only foreign tourism but even local tourism, I know is where we can turn to.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. The other thing that I wanted to talk about Honourable Minister is this huge project that I have to thank you MR MABEO: What clarification do you want to make for as well, the one in Kazungula; Kasane-Kazungula because I am just starting my debate. Whilst on that Development Project. It is one of the projects which I point Honourable Members, I was still reiterating that believe will bring a lot of tourists to our country, and when we look at that Ministry, let us remember that also ensure that Batswana get jobs. there is an infrastructure which they need for them to do their job effectively. I am particularly looking at the The other thing that I wanted to talk about is that I can airports which are mostly used by tourists when they see you are paying close attention to most of the dams. come into this country. I am talking in cognisance of the Although we know that most of the time when we build roads and communications because when a tourist is in a dam we do so for water purposes, holding water to Botswana, even when they are in the wild out there, they drink; it would also be very good if you could also still need to communicate with their relatives wherever ensure that you are involved in dams, ensuring that they they are. That is why I was saying when it comes to play a role in tourism. budget allocations, maybe we should closely look at this Ministry; I am particularly stressing this point that are The other thing that I have to thank you for is the tourism you really aware of the fact that tourism alone brings attraction activity like the (Toyota a significant amount of revenue to the economy of Kalahari 1000 kilometres Desert Race) which for a Botswana. while was based at Kumakwane. I am saying this as a testimony because it was happening at a constituency I Let me hasten to thank the Minister for the fact that I can am representing. Although you have taken it to different see Batswana now taking part in large numbers in the constituencies, but what we harvested or reaped from it tourism business. Honourable Members, as Batswana Honourable Minister is there and we can show it. When we should be found leading in the tourism sector it came to our area we would have many visitors there. business because at the end of the day the revenue which We would have tuck-shops, sell goods and be happy. we would have created would be used in our country. In the end we managed to make a living. Therefore let I am encouraging that because in the end we will see me say keep it up Honourable Minister, and see how our youth being employed in these businesses of ours, you can extend these activities which assist in terms of especially the tourism sector; working in hotels and spreading tourism across our whole country. so forth, as young people. Let me also say you would find them looking ever so beautiful and presentable so Earlier on I said we should ensure that we are relentless that we would be stimulated and inspired to visit these in ensuring that ICT and transport assist this Ministry. I places. I am not supposed to omit that one. will give you an example Honourable Members, in the aviation industry; we have to see to it that Air Botswana I would like to stress this point that this Ministry is becomes more advanced, that they get an appropriate making progress Honourable Members, ensuring that budget because for tourists to come to Botswana, they are there everywhere in our country. I remember they use aeroplanes. One other thing that I would like very well when I was speaking in my constituency, commend you for is the partnerships that you continue there is a place somewhere at Livingstone Kolobeng to have with other ministries to assist you to develop there; they are making developments that side. Let me commend you for that Honourable Minister. What I tourism. For instance, your Ministry made an elephant can also say is that keep sending your officers to this sculpture at Sir Seretse Khama. You found it fit to gather constituency of Thamaga-Kumakwane. There are many all the elephant tusks from dying elephants to come up places we could benefit from with regard to tourism. with that. This is an intent that enhances the outlook of our airport, therefore we ought to thank you for that. Some of those places are on the side. There is Maybe I could encourage you to extend the same effort a dam which we have long requested that it should be to all other airports because they are the first place of used as a tourist attraction. Be swift to consider that dam contact once the tourists land in our country. Even those Honourable Minister. who do adverts should probably focus on tourism so that we can be able to sell our tourism in places like airports. It is not the only one, we also have places where water is disposed of at the bottom of the hills as you are going Lastly, there is one aspect that you mentioned in your to Kanye; these ponds can be part of tourism and the speech that some of us do not how conserve our lands residents of the nearby villages can benefit from the and gave an example using my department under Roads. dividends yielded from this tourism hence developments I would like to however assure you that we have our can come to them. experts who ensure that after construction of roads, we

30 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2000 -- ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM- Committee of Supply do not compromise the environment. There might have Your wildlife officers who are stationed at the gates been some overlaps there and there but we continue to work for long hours which are not good at all, they work seek the intervention of our experts to ensure that we from 6 in the morning to six in the evening but they do not in anyhow hamper with tourism industry. I thank do not claim any overtime or off days that they can be you. given to cover up those long hours. This needs serious attention because these poor people stay in the bush and MR MARKUS (MAUN EAST): Thank you Mr working conditions are not conducive. Chairperson. I have been trying countless times to get your attention and I am tired now, but at least you The wild animals continue to destroy the buffalo fence recognised me now. I support the submission made which falls under the Ministry of Agriculture such that by the Ministry so that developments could be made they leave it in a deteriorated state. May I implore you regarding the tourism industry. Let me point out to come up with strategies that will deter these animals that Maun Constituency is a tourist destination but from destroying the fence and also to keep them away it has been eveident enough that trusts do not serve from people. I do not know how you will do that but any purpose …(interruptions)… I do not know if find ways to keep them away so that they do not cause Honourable Makgatho and Minister are paying attention because I am addressing his Ministry. I was saying that any harm because they cause so much destruction and trusts do not serve any purpose in my constituency but we end up pointing the finger at him as we think that he they were supposed to help improve the livelihoods of has failed to do the job when in actual fact you are the the residents of that area. The functioning of these trusts one who is failing. These animals are just all over and were incapacitated by the stoppage of hunting. We need causing destruction. I would like to hear an update from your intervention so that we come up with strategies that you in the next session informing us on what strategies will help these people. you have explored to keep them away. Maybe this will also reduce the spread of foot and mouth. The residents of Khwae were supposed to be allocated lodges and we fail to understand the purpose of lodges We request that you allow us to have hunting licences like Tsaro serve because it is in a dilapidated state. There for elephants because they are just too many. is another one that was called Khwae River lodge… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Relocate them to Kanye. MINISTER OF HEALTH (MS MAKGATO): MR MARKUS: If they want them in Kanye, then Procedure. Thank you Mr Chairperson, it seems like we shall gladly relocate them to there because we just your timing is not the same as ours. We were expecting fed up of the destruction they cause. They destroy our to conclude by five past if we have calculated correctly, ploughing fields and even go into the houses and the can you kindly verify with your staff. fences. If you can give us their hunting licence you would have helped us a lot. MR CHAIRPERSON: No trust me, all is in order. The other issue is that of compensation money when MR MARKUS: I was saying that when lease for Khwae animals have destroyed our property. We deserve to be River Lodge expired, it was supposed to be handed given more money as compared to other areas because back to the ownership of the residents but nothing has there are more wild animals in our area. Again we have happened to date. We do not know what could be the long talked about the closure of Maun National Park. problem of failure to do such, maybe we will need your intervention on that one as well. There is another MR CHAIRPERSON: Time up, I now call upon the issue that the residents do not have any other business Minister to reply to the debate. Honourable Members adventures except for tourism, therefore, I would advise take note of something that the wall watch has lost time you to allocate them plots so that they venture into that. and it shall be updated soon. Honourable Minister, you have 30 minutes. The other issue is that of Sankoyo. They have requested to construct a 46 beds in Kaziikini, but nothing has been MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE done to that effect. Even the residents of Shorobe have AND TOURISM (MR T. S. KHAMA): Thank you requested to start a trust which they have been given the very much Mr Chairperson. I would like to first of all green light to start it but there is no progress to date. The thank the Honourable Members for the comments on residents of Phuduhudu also have nothing on ground, the presentation. I will respond to them as it is normal their trust is dead as well, and therefore they need to be practice but some of those answers would be covered by helped. comments from other Honourable Members.

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I would like to start with Honourable Member Kwerepe that they can play a meaningful role in the most pristine about the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) and area of Botswana which is the 1000th world heritage site. Lake Ngami Trust. Mr Chairperson, we actually had Why would we not want to do that? If we do not do that assisted Lake Ngami Trust through Botswana Tourism it means that the concessionaires sitting on that land will Organisation (BTO) to do a management plan for the sit on it for thirty years and who will be visitors on that use of Lake Ngami. What is important about Lake concession? So I am afraid I do not understand the logic Ngami is that for all intents and purposes, until we put of why we would not be able to give land to Batswana the banning, the lake was being raped off its fish. Now for them to also participate in tourism. This will happen the issue we had here was that the fish was leaving the under my watch Mr Chairperson. country and it was only a selective number of people that were benefiting from that and not necessarily the I will now go onto Honourable Moremi’s comments. community around the lake. The management plan is Community Based National Resource Management complete. EIA has been considered at this moment in (CBNRM) resolution; Honourable Moremi, I would time. We have also engaged the lake community to begin welcome the opportunity to meet that group that had participation within the management of Lake Ngami. So said they had wanted to meet me and they have not to say that we deny or deprive people a livelihood off the got any response. The truth of the matter is that I have fish is not exactly true because what happened without not received that request. But I would not wait for the the regulation was that we were actually exporting fish request, I will go back to them through you and I will and denying Batswana the opportunity to buy those ask you to facilitate that meeting. Consider that I am fish. Our new regulations are now speaking to that very available to do so at a moment’s notice. regulation that we would have to seek permits to export As I have said, we are not about taking land from fish so that the community around the lake hasthe communities. I have explained the position of the land benefit of using the lake and I think that is paramount. bank.

The issue of the land bank and the land board was The other issue that we have is that we want to make covered by various Honourable Members. I would just sure that the communities get their levy from the like to explain the issue of the land bank and land boards concession holders. We negotiate that levy, when once and for all. We had various initiatives of why we the concessionaires start talking about four per cent decided to approach the land bank principle rather than levy on the turnover, it is unacceptable. We have now staying with the lands boards. There were various issues escalated that to six per cent and it will go up again in which were starting to reflect themselves and one was the due course but similarly the communities must be seen case when just after I became a Minister, one concession to be benefiting from that levy in a sustainable way. was sold to a concessionaire who sold it to an American We have even as the Ministry requested the assistance who was not even resident in this country. The trust from the students who have passed through Botswana sanctioned that sale and then there was an issue between Accountancy College (BAC) to go and help those the trust and the land board. To this day, that concession communities so that they can manage the programmes is not in the hands of the American. It is not. It is still and these will make that sustainable and they will then be in the name of the person who had it first. We cannot able to develop programmes within those communities allow that to happen. Even though Honourable Moremi and concessions. was talking about grovelling, whatever the word used, I think when it comes to protecting the interest of I want to go back to the rezoning. Do you see that Batswana in this country if I come and look for funding, the benefit of the rezoning means that we are able to Member, I will grovel if I have to, if it is in the interest give to more communities? The model that we will of Batswana. Maybe one day when you have learned use will be geared deliberately to assist communities how that works you will appreciate what goes behind it. and those communities that have been marginalised in areas that we want to refer to as WMAs would be I offer no apology for protecting the land that we have. considered. It will also give us the opportunity to give I also offer no apology for making sure that Batswana to two communities from one concession compared to will as Honourable Goya said, not only participate in what is said at the moment which is one community, tourism but will be competitive too. One of the things one concession. So this is a progressive move in a way that we have done with the Land Bank is, we have now that we want to empower the communities as a result of insisted that those concessions can be rezoned, because tourism. there are concessions sitting on big land which they are not using. This gives us the opportunity to now rezone Mr Chairperson, the land board was consulted. The land those concessions and give them out to Batswana so board is representative of the tribal leadership, people

32 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2000 -- ENVIRONMENT, WILDLIFE AND TOURISM- Committee of Supply and the communities. If at that stage the land board are in a country which is in desperate need of water, decided that they did not like the land bank certainly but we are not using the resource as adequately as we they did not make it known at that time. Even when we could. Fortunately, we have this Committee which consider concessions now, the TEC generally involves will now talk to those Ministries and stakeholders to the land board… say, funding is available in the form of climate fund, adaptation fund, global environmental fund which will MR MOREMI: On a point of correction. Just to give us opportunity to enter into those opportunities and comment and correct that because I have a matter on my start these processes within the country. We would be iPad, it just takes long to find it, where the land board submitting our first submission for these funds by the writes to the Ministry and informs the Ministry that it 22nd of April this year. would be illegal and to request for advice of the Attorney Generals on such. They were reluctant that they made it The hunting ban; Mr Chairperson it is straight forward. in writing and nonetheless it was carried through. We are aware that when we move from consumptive to non-consumptive, there will be a deficiency in certain MR T. S. KHAMA: Thank you Honourable Member. communities pertaining to the resource of financing. The information I have from my representation there Mr With the tourism development fund, we had mechanism Chairperson, was that, it is totally illegal and Minister to assist those communities if they could develop a plan Maele explained that, the last time this question was or a strategy that they wanted to go with, and we are brought up in Parliament. If it was not, I am sure that by prepared to assist with that. Unfortunately two or three now we would have heard something different from that. communities did take it up and a few of the others did However, it is not for us and it is not our position to keep not. Unfortunately right now as we speak, Botswana them out. That is not the intention at all. The intention Tourism Organisation (BTO) is in the process of is so that we can manage the concessions and the leases instilling a new programme in those concessions so that but we are not taking the land away from in this case they can catch up and have a livelihood which they had Tawana Land Board, Ngwaketse Land Board, Kgatleng before. However, I must say one thing; tourism is a lot Land Board or whatever land board for that matter. It is more sustainable than hunting. When I say tourism, I am to make sure that that lease is something that benefits referring to non-consumptive tourism because this goes the communities and the country and that we should through the twelve months of the year, whereas hunting never lose control of the way that land was intended to is April to September. We can therefore produce more be used. It also gives us the right if Government should for more people, and keep more people employed and decide to use that land for the benefit of the communities sustained for a longer period of time with less impact on it is able to do so, if it was in the past that was going to the environment. be a challenge. These things can always be our areas in the future where we can discuss and improve. It is the Anti-Poaching Unit; the Kang issue, I appreciate that first time and it has nothing to say that it is the last time unfortunately that sits with Ministry of Infrastructure, that these amendments will happen. I believe that I will Science and Technology (MIST) at the moment gladly accept any suggestions that you have which you because we were not handed the camp and we were not feel it could further improve what we have done or what adjudicating the tender. So MIST has advised that there we have started on already, taking it on account that it was a challenge and they are busy looking at it. serves the whole country and the communities, which is what we are looking for. Wild fire versus fences; I think this is an interesting point. We were given P7 million through the Drought to Honourable Moipisi, climate change; yes you are right. repair fences. It is impossible. There is no way I could We are slow and behind. For the initiatives of our climate do fences for P7 million. We made the decision to make change, we have been hamstrung as a Ministry. We did these fire fighting vehicles so that we could manage not have the authority over renewable energies, recycling of water and recycling of plastics. We had the voice fires. And hopefully try to repair fences. That is why but not the authority. Since COP 21 Mr Chairperson, when I say the budget is tight, it is tight. We made that I am pleased to say that we have formed a Committee decision that it would be better to manage the biomass on Climate Change, renewables and recycling at the than to do the fences. We would be hopefully be able to Ministry of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism which come back for supplementaries on the fences. is chaired by the Deputy Permanent Secretary. We can also bring our standards up to what the rest of the world The visit to your constituency as I offered to you as I is doing. We have been behind in renewable energies. did to Honourable Moremi, please let me know so that In fact we are so far behind, you cannot see us and that we can move that forward as quickly as possible. The is so sad. And the same goes for recycling water. We tourism office at Hukuntsi is a similar challenge.

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Honourable Goya, animal relocation supplementaries; I thank you for your comment because those are the very yes you are on it and we have placed our request with things as we have been looking at, how we can enable the Economies Committee. We have requested to move tourism in those marginal areas? There are various ways game to a place where they will not come into contact that we have come up with, one of which is adventure with people and I hope that the request will be acceded tourism, educational tourism, and the other one is to. cultural tourism. So those are issues and areas we have been looking at which are included in this. Elephant HONOURABLE MEMBER: It has been passed population is higher as I have spoken about and I also already explained why it is high at the moment.

MR T. KHAMA: It has passed? The fish sector regulation; we have changed for 2008 HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Yes Sir. and we are currently changing those to date, and to manage them so that Batswana can selfishly be the MR T. KHAMA: Good news Honourable Member. beneficiaries of fish. There is no reason why we cannot Thank you. Elephants education is something that we have fish industry that is so vibrant in this country to are starting Mr Chairperson to go out and be able to rival any of the countries including South Africa. educate people on how to mitigate with the management I also want to acknowledge your comment on the of elephants. We are challenged. Currently as we speak, Museum and the rehabilitations of all buildings. This taking the eastern part of Botswana and area around is something that we seriously need to look at, and Sepako which borders on one game national park, the we have been trying. The funding has never been as boreholes on one game have collapsed. We had been adequate as it could be and that is why you see the little advised that it was a deliberate decision not to repair efforts that are being made. I acknowledge that you those boreholes so that elephants would come across have observed that and those for Museums would be to Botswana. At some stage we were watching 1 500 typically grateful for that acknowledgement. I also take elephants a day in that Sepako area at a place called on board what you are saying about trusts, I think that Zibanani. It is a challenge. This also proves the failure of is an imaginative way of looking at things and that is something we should look at. CAZA and that is why I am saying that without partners which are the poorest countries, Cascada has a future. I Tree planting communities; we have a project in have been saying this for some time and time, because Shaikarawe which is also a tree planting initiative. It is maybe it suits those countries because those elephants one of those that we could do better, I concur with you. are in Botswana are not in their countries. But to get the communities to buy in, it has been a little bit of a challenge in the sense that they preferred exotic Landfill; we are pleased to announce to you Honourable trees rather than indigenous trees, but we are currently Minister that the Ministry is taking over the provision working on that one at the moment. of electricity at the landfills. That is something that we are looking on and there is an Expression of Interest All the issues about sewage are noted; it is the (EOI) at the moment. We are also looking at centralized responsibility of Water Utilities Corporation. Our collection points and we have also asked the various Department of Waste Management and Pollution Councils to have transfer stations within the cities so Control frequently advises them on the quality of the that we can manage waste and also segregate waste sewage water or the waste water. They know that, but at source and not at the end. Honourable Gaolathe, I they told us from time to time that they have issues with thank you very much for giving me solutions as well the budget. as your observance, thank you Sir. High end tourism Fishing ban; I think I have covered the fishing ban and in Okavango, I totally agree, we need to look after why it was introduced, but soon it will be adjusted that area. Other areas which do not have high end accordingly. tourism, I totally agree that we should exploit those. In fact, currently in the policy which I saw when I came Game farming; we have currently engaged an area for in the Ministry, I did not like what was written. That game farming for communities. The issue that we had is why that policy had not come out. It will come out with the game farmers is that they would not adopt the when it is more improved and more comprehensive community and that was one of the reasons why I denied than what it was in the beginning. It basically spoke them the opportunity to sell wildlife. Why would I allow about Government enabling the private sector to invest. somebody to hunt and sell wildlife in my country when That was the extent to that policy; today it is a lot more I cannot do that in my own country? It does not make comprehensive. sense. So we have asked them to adopt communities,

34 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2400 - TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS - Committee of Supply we are still battling with them to adopt communities. not issuing Environmental Impact Assessments (EIAs) However, not all of them have adopted that attitude, on sand mining. Sand mining is a terrible problem at the and we are now starting to make a breakthrough to have moment, but we hope that within the next two or three communities involved in game farming. weeks, or maybe a month, we will be able to address the situation and bring it to a reasonable conclusion. Elephant Orphanage; we have Public Private Partnership (PPP) underway in the Kasane area for an elephant Honourable Mabeo, I took note of your request, about orphanage. It is something that we are considering to your area, Thamaga-Kumakwane. We acknowledge develop. your appreciation of the elephant structure and we will certainly look into your constituency to see how we I have one issue here by Honourable Mzwinila. We can develop tourism in the southern part. It would be have engaged the BCL, and they missed two deadlines of interest to note that we have developed the Southern we had given them. So I believe the next deadline will Heritage Trail which will cover Kanye, Ramotswa and be a deadline, if you understand what I am saying. Mr Molepolole and we have no problem at all including Chairperson, I am not able to complete the rest because other areas such as Moshupa, Kumakwane etcetera. So of time. I also want to acknowledge the issue of fishing that would be a wonderful opportunity to pursue. at Letsibogo Dam and the other dams of interest. I think it is a wonderful opportunity where we can manage Honourable Markus, you talked about the trusts that are fishing, have tours and promote it there, like having a not functioning. I have explained why some of the trusts fishing competition which we have in the Shakawe area. are not functioning, but we had a solution available, it There is no reason at all why we would not be able to is only that it has not been used. Khwai River Lodge; start a programme like that. I thank you very much for even though the leases may have expired, there are no lodges that have been closed, until the lease issues are your suggestion and we would look at that as well. resolved. So I want to give you my assurance on that. Honourable Nkaigwa, thank you very much for your The Sankoyo request for 46 beds; the management plan comment, we have spoken several times on waste did not cater for 46 beds, we suggested they should do another lodge because of the impact of the EIA area. energy. I think I have covered the waste energy. The You also talked about allowances; the Department of plastic levy is straightforward, when government Wildlife and National Parks (DWNP) has commuted introduced the regulation, they did not come up with a overtime. way in which it can be collected, and that is why we have now opted for plastic bag ban. The reason why Mr Chairperson, I therefore move that the sum of we have opted for the plastic bag ban is because we are Six Hundred and Fifteen Million, Four Hundred and spending a lot of money, particularly through Ipelegeng Forty Four Thousand and Four Hundred Pula (P615, to have people picking up plastic bags and to be honest, 444, 400) under the Recurrent Budget for Head we are not winning. So we think it is better to treat this 2000 be approved and stand part of the Schedule of thing as a cost and remove the plastic bag. This plastic Appropriation (2016/2017) Bill, 2016 (No. 1 of 2016); bag ban will be for any plastic bag which is 60 microns and that the sum of Two Hundred and Thirteen Million, or less, and that is the plastic bag that we would have Five Hundred and Seventeen Thousand, Six Hundred at Spar, Woolworths or wherever. So that is the reason and Forty Three Pula (P213, 517, 643) for Head 2000 in why we are pursuing the plastic bag ban. Also 90 per the Development Fund Estimates be approved and stand cent of the plastic bags manufactured in this country are part of those estimates. I thank you. exported, and they are not used locally, only 10 per cent are used locally. Question put and agreed to.

Gaborone Treatment Plant; I concur with you, we have ORGANISATION 2400 - TRANSPORT spoken to Water Utilities, they have told us there is lack AND COMMUNICATIONS of water which is used for cleaning and that is why there MR CHAIRPERSON (MR MOLATLHEGI): Order! is a smell. Quite honestly, other than what we have said Order! You are asked to note that 2 hours 45 minutes to Water Utilities, I do not know what more we can has been allocated to this Organisation. I shall call upon do about that plant at Phakalane. It is a spare plant, an the Honourable Minister to reply to the debate at 1640 overflow plant. It just stands there empty, until ithas hours tomorrow and the question will be put at 1710 excess going through it, then that is when it would be hours tomorrow. used. So that is also the reason why you will find that it is just there and empty. MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR MABEO): Mr Sand mining comments; I agree, at the moment we are Chairperson, as is a norm at this time of the year, I am

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here today to present to this Honourable House, the in harnessing the power of the digital technology. Ministry of Transport and Communication’s budget The digital dividends which are in simple terms the bids for the 2016/2017 financial year as well as give broader development benefits mainly of enhanced an account of the P 3 695 187 380 (three billion, six service delivery, growth and expanded opportunities are hundred and ninety five million, one hundred and eighty- beginning to be increasingly felt. The communications seven thousand, three hundred and eighty Pula) that was sector continues to contribute significantly to the allocated to my Ministry to use for both the recurrent economic growth of Botswana. Opportunities are now and development budgets in the current financial year beginning to increasingly become available and we 2015/16. This year I request for funds amounting to P are seeing more and more services positively being 3 337 757 190 (three billion, three hundred and thirty impacted by digital technologies. I am well aware that seven million, seven hundred and fifty-seven thousand, more remains to be done. one hundred and ninety Pula) which comprises of P 2 022 398 190 (two billion, twenty-two million, three POLICY FRAMEWORK: CYBERSECURITY & hundred and ninety eight thousand, one hundred and BROADBAND STRATEGIES ninety eight pula) for the recurrent budget, and P 1 315 Government in collaboration with the Commonwealth 359 000 (one billion, three hundred and fifteen million, Telecommunications Organisation, and key three hundred and fifty nine thousand pula) for the stakeholders, has undertaken a project to develop the development budget. first National Cyber Security strategy for the country. Mr Chairperson, as aforementioned, allow me to now This is a major step in ensuring the nation is safeguarded account of the funds I was given by this Honourable against cyber incidents and threats that could potentially House for the provision of transport and communication interrupt our way of life. Still in collaboration with services to the nation of Botswana by implementing Commonwealth Telecommunications Organisation, some development projects in the 2015/16 financial we are also finalising the review of the Draft National year. I will also give a general performance of the two Broadband Strategy. We envisage to complete these sectors under my custody for my colleagues in this two projects in April 2016. These are essential policy Honourable House to know how we fared during the documents which will ensure diffusion of services in a year under review to enable them to make an informed protected and assured environment. consideration as well as decision on my request for funds for the coming financial year. REVIEW OF THE COMMUNICATIONS LICENSING FRAMEWORK Mr Chairperson, to date, out of the P2 079 505 380 allocated for the Recurrent Expenditure, P1 809 055 384 In a bid to create a vibrant business market climate or 87 per cent has been spent and for the Development and allow small and big organisations to harness Budget, out of the P1 615 682 000 allocated for various the power of digital technologies, my Ministry has projects in my Ministry, P1 384 405 247 or 86 per cent established successfully a new licensing framework has been spent. This is as at 11th March 2016. This in 2015. The licensing framework will usher in more expenditure level is expected to have increased by the competition and introduce diverse digital services that 31st of March 2016. Detailed analysis of expenditure will give rise to immense opportunities in the digital for the year under review is reflected at Annex A. world for government, businesses and individuals. As I had previously reported another initiative Botswana RECURRENT REVENUE Communications Regulatory Authority is also Mr Chairperson, the Ministry projected total revenue developing a licensing framework for the licensing of for 2015/16 amounts to P 702 044 530. To date we have postal sector in the country. This initiative is ongoing managed to collect P 481 493 568 which is 69 per cent with the draft licensing framework and the draft postal of what was estimated. The bulk of the under collection market assessment report having been reviewed in is as a result of non-payment of fuel and maintenance February this year and the draft final framework is now charges by the Sister Ministries. In this regard my being finalized. ministry will with effect from 1st April 2016 not fuel DEVELOPMENT OF ICT INFRASTRUCTURE any vehicle from a ministry which has an outstanding DEVELOPMENT AND SERVICES payment. See Annex C for details. INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION Mr Chairperson, ICT services have on occasion TECHNOLOGY SECTOR experienced interruption challenges, emanating from the fact that such systems have numerous linkages and inter Mr Chairperson, I am glad to report that in today’s dependencies of technologies and components owned digital world, Botswana has made significant strides and operated by diverse organisations, the Ministry

36 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2400 - TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS - Committee of Supply has undertaken a holistic approach to addressing the resulted in two separate entities with Botswana root causes. This is addressed from the governance, Telecommunications Corporation Limited (BTCL) operations, System level, the transmission level, offering telecommunications services to the public while linkages, power, and human resources level. BoFiNeT is providing telecommunications services at wholesale level to a number of retail operators including Mr Chairperson, I had previously reported that operators BTCL. are embarking on plans to expand their networks to address coverage limitation and improved service The hallmark privatisation project in Botswana is on the performance. I am happy to report to you that, telecoms verge of completion. As part of the privatisation process providers continue to upgrade their systems, and this has of BTCL, BTCL’s Prospectus was successfully launched resulted in a noticeable improvement in the quality of on the 21st of December 2015 and it is available online service. To ensure good quality of services, the regulator for download. Hard copies are available at BTCL shops has procured mobile, and fixed line quality of service and offices, Botswana Post, Choppies and Barclays Bank monitoring tools. This tool was necessary to address the branches. The opening of the Share Offer took place on public concerns about poor quality of services that we the 11th of January 2016 and has been closed on the 4th have been grappling with. March 2016 with listing on the BSE earmarked at the end of week 1 of April 2016. Batswana have taken up to Investment in the communications infrastructure has procuring the shares for themselves as evidenced by the significantly grown over the past few years. This is vital applications made. The next step of allocation has been for improved quality of services, expansion of coverage commenced. and diffusion of broadband services. We have seen significant developments in the expansion of the ICT IMPROVEMENT OF BOTSWANA network connecting cities, towns and villages. In 2015 TELECOMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION the national fibre backbone was expanded with Sehitwa- LIMITED SERVICES Mohembo, Sekoma-Tsabong and Maun-Ngoma Bridge optical fibre network having been complete and in the BTCL entered into a strategic partnership with Vodafone process a total of 34 new villages have been connected in March 2015 in order to strengthen its operations and to the network. More projects are being implemented improve its competitive position with the other 2 PTOs to roll out fibre backbone network from Mohembo to who both have international partners. The scope of Gudigwa, this Non-Equity agreement includes, but is not limited Selebi-Phikwe to Mathathane, Tsabong to Two Rivers to, Procurement, Talent Development, Products and and Kachikau to Parakarungu to connect 27 new villages Services, Terminals and Wholesale Network Services. to the network and they are expected to be complete by A number of contracts have now been signed with September 2016. Vodafone which include International Voice Hubbing We have made considerable progress on the last and Roaming thereby improving the BTCL customer mile, connecting users to communications points of experience both at home and overseas. A number of presence. Last mile connectivity using Fibre-To-The- other initiatives are at various stages of negotiation and premises (FTTx) has been rolled out in Gaborone (first deployment. Phase), Francistown (first Phase), Maun, Kasane and BTCL has reached an agreement with the Ministry of Kazungula and a total of 370 businesses, government Transport and Communications and The Ministry of and commercial premises has been connected. Currently Youth, Sport and Culture to transfer the management of these services are being deployed in other places such as Kitsong Centres associated with the Nteletsa 2 Project to Gaborone (second Phase), Francistown (second Phase), The Ministry of Youth, Sport and Culture management, Selebi-Phikwe, Lobatse, Tsabong, Mogoditshane, through the Botswana National Youth Council. The Serowe and Palapye with a target completion of June Ministry of Youth, Sport and Culture plans to engage 2016. These projects are vital if we are to realise the young entrepreneurs to manage these centres replacing positive impact of broadband services of which research the previous model where management was carried out shows that it translates in to significant economic growth by Village Development Committees. The delivery of and improved livelihood. the project is in 3 phases, Phase 1 being 33 Kitsong SEPARATION AND PRIVITISATION OF centres, 60 Centres for Phase 2 which should start in BOTSWANA TELECOMMUNICATIONS March 2016 and 59 for Phase 3 which will start at the CORPORATION (BTC) end of Phase 2. 29 of the planned 33 Kitsong Centres have been transferred and created approximately 60 BTC asset separation to Botswana Fibre Networks youth entrepreneur jobs. The remaining four centres Ltd (BoFiNet) is now complete. This has will carry over into Phase 2 of the Project. The Ministry

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of Youth, Sports and Culture will be funding Phase 2 Limited, a lot of progress has been made. The group and 3 with an amount of P5, 150,000. governance structure has been created and two new companies have since been introduced under my E-GOVERNMENT INITIATIVES Ministry. These are Botswana Postal Services Pty Ltd Mr Chairperson, implementation of e-Government (currently trading as BotswanaPost) and Botswana programme is ongoing and it is still to continue in Savings Bank. the coming financial year, specifically to facilitate the The merger will offer sister companies a lot of leverage implementation of appropriate government services in mobilising resources within the group such as taking online. The project is currently facing implementation advantage of economies of scale in areas such as challenges ranging from inadequate ICT infrastructure advertising, procurement and utilizing a pool of assets to lack of skilled personnel. In order to address the at their disposal within the group. In this regard, the challenges, consultancy services have been engaged greatest leverage for each subsidiary company will be including expansion of the ICT infrastructure, access to a wide postal network across the country that establishment of Programme Management Office, provides the best outreach to customers. development of Service Oriented Enterprise Architecture and skills transformation in support of e-Government BOTSWANA COURIERS & LOGISTICS (BC&L) programme. Botswana Couriers & Logistics (BC&L) is a company The establishment of Programme Management Office limited by shares incorporated under the Companies (PMO) is well under way and setting up the office will Act. The company was formed in 2001 mainly to be completed by the end of March 2016. The project compete with privately owned and international courier to develop Service Oriented Enterprise Architecture companies in the market space where the Botswana Post (SOEA) commenced in February 2016. Expansion of was constrained. As a private company wholly owned the ICT infrastructure has already commenced and the by the Government, the drive has been to grow the supplier is on site. Transformation of skills in support of e-Government is ongoing, ninety per cent of officers at company revenues through relentless pursuit of revenue e-Government have been trained in Project Management diversification through a wide suite of products offering and more will be trained in Programme Management to both the private and public sector. this year. A project to ensure that e-Government BOTSWANA POSTAL SERVICES services are provided in a secure manner is in progress (BOTSWANAPOST) and compliance will be checked against ISO 27001 Information Security Management System (ISMS). Government continues to make strides to take services to the people. A total of 6 post offices re being developed GOVERNMENT DATA NETWORK (GDN) with two new post offices being constructed at Mr Chairperson, when the GDN was designed over Shoshong and Tshesebe. The other four (4) existing post fifteen years ago, it was primarily designed to carry offices of Bokspits, Mahalapye, Mookane and Serowe data. Over the years, it has seen a rise in volumes of are being upgraded. The construction and upgrading voice and video traffic. This is negatively affecting the will amongst others, address concerns of small office performance of some Government systems. In order spaces, congestion and provision of limited services. to mitigate against this, my Ministry has embarked on In addition, Botswana Savings Bank requirements will a project to revamp the GDN to make it a converged also be catered for at the above post offices. The projects network that will optimally and efficiently carry high are already underway and works are scheduled to be quality video, voice and data services to better serve the completed by mid-2016. nation. Botswana Post has been awarded a certificate for S42 Mr Chairperson, the project for the construction of Addressing Standard by the Universal Postal Union. the primary Data Centre is ongoing. We are currently The S42 is an international postcode and addressing at the design stage of the project. My ministry has standard that provides precise information about country also identified another site for the construction of the address elements and formats. Following the success of secondary Data Centre that will be located outside the location address (home delivery) projects in Tshane, Gaborone. which is a rural setting, the pilot project has now been MERGER BSB AND BOTSWANA POST extended to an urban setting where home mail delivery was launched in Gaborone Block 7 and 8. This project Mr Chairperson, following the successful formation is being implemented under the LAPCAS project which holding company, Botswana Post and Savings Bank is led by Ministry of Lands and Housing.

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SCHOOL CONNECTIVITY Tonota-Francistown (30 km) dual road, and Road Sector Investment (Output and Performance Based Mr Chairperson, with regard to the Economic Stimulation Contracts) projects. The Tonota-Francistown upgrading Programme (ESP), my ministry is making strides, and to dual carriageway is currently at 97 per cent progress has issued a tender on the Schools Connectivity Project compared to 100 per cent planned as at 22nd February which is now at evaluation stage. This tender is for 2016. The project is scheduled for completion by April procurement of ICT devices for a number of schools, 2016. The construction of Thapama which will ensure that our future generation can compete with the best in the world in this area of ICT, and further Interchange is currently 31 per cent complete against ensure Botswana is the destination of choice. This 52 per cent planned as at 22nd February 2016. This devices will be used for used for e-Learning, a new way project fell behind time due to delayed relocation that facilitates learning easily. of telecommunication services. The interchange is expected to be completed by end of August 2016. TRANSPORT SECTOR Completion of the interchange will enhance traffic flow POLICY AND LEGISLATIVE ENVIRONMENT in and out of Francistown City.

Mr Chairperson, my ministry continues to improve our Mr Chairperson, a 135 km section of the Nata - legislative instruments being Road Traffic Act (RTA) and Kazungula road is complete. The remaining 65 km has Road Transport Permits Act (RTPA). Some Regulations been awarded for Design with the assistance of funding of the Road Traffic Act have been reviewed and enacted from AfDB through COMESA. during the 2015/16 financial year. These regulations The long awaited Design and Construction of the 109 include conversion of foreign driving license, lowering km road between Charleshill and Ncojane road has of age restrictions of PrDP applicants, increase of finally been awarded to Zac Construction (Pty) Ltd validity period of theory, yard and road test results from for a period of 36 months. Currently design works are 12 months to 24 months. Furthermore, SADC member ongoing and on schedule. The first construction works states are allowed to use their driving licenses whilst are expected to commence during the first quarter of staying in Botswana without the need to convert as per 2016/17 and the project is expected to be completed by SADC Protocol on Transport and Meteorology. 8th September 2018. My ministry has decided to enhance road safety by the The Design Review of Mohembo Bridge across the use of technology through the following initiatives; Okavango River has been completed and pre contract for construction has commenced. Collection of tender a. The computerisation of the Driver Theory Testing documents commenced on the 4th January 2016 with System (DTTS). This was first implemented in closing date for bidders scheduled for 30th March 2016. Gaborone Vehicle Testing Station (VTS), Lobatse, Palapye and Francistown VTS. This financial year the Mr Chairperson, my ministry had identified a total of system was rolled out to additional three (3) stations fourteen (14) projects to implement under ESP. The namely, Jwaneng, Maun, and Fairgrounds in Gaborone. Fourteen projects comprise of 8 major projects and 6 access roads below 30 km comprising: Thalamabele b. Construction of the computerised driver testing - Mosu road (28 km); Moshupa - Manyana Road (17 ground (Intelligent Driver Testing System (IDTS)) in km); Thamaga - Kubung (22 km) and Goodhope - Maru-a-pula is expected to be completed in the financial Kgoro - Gathwane Road (12 km), Radisele - Pilikwe year 2016/17. This system will reform driving attitudes, (23 km) and Modipane - Mabalane (24 km). Some of improve traffic culture and promote fair driving test the 8 major projects have been designed and are ready evaluations by minimising human involvement. for construction while other designs are being reviewed. TRANSPORT INFRASTRUCTURE Mr Chairperson, maintenance and upkeep of our road DEVELOPMENT AND MAINTANANCE network continues to pose a challenge to my ministry. ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE However, we are doing all that we can to arrest the situation. We continue to engage local contractors to Mr Chairperson, there has been significant progress as do bush clearing along public road network on output- regards the commencement and completion of mega based basis. This initiative is proving to be more projects in my ministry. The bulk of development efficient as more roads are being cleared. Roads in the budget for my ministry was used for continuation following regions have been successfully cleared using of the following roads infrastructure projects which this approach: North West, South East, Gantsi, Central, are carried over from 2015/16 financial year namely: Southern and South West. In North East some projects

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are still on going and all roads will be cleared before end to mobility problems, and the need to undertake well- of this financial year. The initiative has been extended to thought-out initiatives for fiscal reasons; are driving the pothole patching in some of the roads as a pilot project. development of innovative ideas in the field of transport in general, and passenger transport in particular. We continue to reseal our roads that are reaching their end of design lives. The following are examples of works Mr Chairperson, last year I alluded to the Study on the that we successfully completed through our reseal/ implementation of an Improved Metropolitan Public asphalt overlay maintenance programme: the Serule - Transport System for the Greater Gaborone Area, which Tonota, Sebina-Tutume, Molepolole - Mapharangwane, is coming to an end in March 2016. In terms of traffic Khumaga - Motopi, Sebina - Masunga and Selibe generation, peri-urban areas contribute significantly, Phikwe - Sefhophe roads. because the inward and outward trajectory of the ensuing trips results in road gridlock on the city’s road network. Shoulder repair and resealing of Junction 44 – This increase influences auto mobility, and excess Tsotshaa Sect II (40km), Bobonong – Lekkerport (55 demand for road space, is exacerbated when reliable km), Francistown – Matsiloje (55 km), Draaihoek – public transport services are inadequate or inefficient. Omaweneno (30 km) roads are on-going and will be completed in the next financial year while Sefophe – It is for this reason, therefore, that, many countries of Martins Drift Sect A - C (40 km) each, Maun – Sehithwa both the developed and developing world, are now (60 km) are due for completion in the current financial focusing their attention on the development of more year. efficient modes of public transportation, with the capacity and capability to respond to the mobility needs Mr Chairperson, my ministry is engaging the of growing populations, as a plausible response to road community on short term contracts to collect litter along traffic congestion and other externalities. the public highways. The initiative is proving to be effective especially in areas where we are collaborating Mr Chairperson, my ministry has taken a step to develop with Local Authorities. My ministry will nonetheless, the National Multi Modal Transport Master Plan and continue to engage, monitor and perfect the initiative as implementation progresses. As for Labour Based the Greater Gaborone Transport Master Plan to improve Technology (LBT) projects along A1, my ministry is sector management and facilitate transport integration currently working on modalities of unbundling these with land use and other productive sectors. This will be projects to create more opportunities for employment the blue print in guiding us to have an efficient, cost and improve efficiency as more youth contractors will effective and safer integrated transport system. The be engaged to undertake various activities such as cattle projects and programmes to be identified by this study chasing, vegetation control, fence repairs and pothole will lead to economic diversification. The studies for patching. Initially one contractor would be engaged to the National Multi Modal Transport Master Plan and undertake all these various activities. the Greater Gaborone Transport Master Plan are both BITP PROJECTS concluding in 2016.

The Botswana Integrated Transport Project (BITP), Output and Performance-based Road Contracts is co-financed with the World Bank, aims to improve (OPRC) the overall state of transport in the country, including in particular; the public transport system of the Greater Mr Chairperson, as part of the BITP my ministry has also Gaborone Area to reduce road automotive congestion, embarked upon a pilot project introducing Output and road traffic accidents, average commute times, improve Performance-based Road Contracts (OPRCs) covering the average level of road safety, as well as enhance 335 km of main road and 52.5 km of access road mainly opportunities for non-motorized, and other ‘active’ in Southern District. This type of contracts increase transport modes. the efficiency and effectiveness of road operations and significantly expand the role of the private sector, from This Mr Chairperson, is a step in the right direction the simple execution of works to the management and because the promotion of road passenger transport operational responsibilities of road assets together with is now widely accepted as a fundamental component improvement, rehabilitation, maintenance (periodic & of strategies to contain road traffic congestion; routine) and emergency works. OPRCs are meant to including other road transport externalities. It is also ensure that the physical condition of the roads under in pursuit of effective and long-lasting solutions, that, contract is adequate for the need of road users, over the in contemporary times, road traffic jams, the demand entire period of the contract which is normally several for environmentally friendly and sustainable solutions years.

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Mr Chairperson, the OPRC pilot started in May 2014 (d) Buffet car, which offers refreshment at a fee. and will run for a period of 10 years. The pilot runs in 2 packages with Package 1 covering parts of the A10 and (e) Luggage van, offers conveyance of excess luggage A2 road from Mmankgodi to Jwaneng through Kanye as well as parcels at a fee. and Package 2 covering the entire B101 road from The above mentioned train consist will have capacity of Rakhuna-Tlhareseleele-Pitsane-Phitshane/Molopo- at least 450 passengers per train. Mabule road. Access roads within 10 km of these stretches of roads will be rehabilitated or upgraded as AVIATION SECTOR necessary. OPRC maintenance works commenced in May 2014 on both Packages and will run throughout Mr Chairperson, Aviation is one critical sector in the mobility of goods and people. The development of 10-year period i.e. until April 2024. Construction works facilities and improvement of business for this industry (rehabilitation and improvement works) started in July is expected to contribute immensely towards the growth 2015 and will run for a period of 2 years. So far, about of a number of sectors, namely; Tourism, mining and 20 km of rehabilitation works have been completed various business opportunities, thereby contributing up to surfacing on Package 1, while 15 km have been towards the growth of the country’s GDP. completed on Package 2. In order to ensure that contribution of aviation to the RAIL SECTOR NETWORK AND SERVICES economy as a whole is realised, a number of development and maintenance projects are currently undertaken Mr Chairperson, in the spirit of improving as well as in our main airports, and these projects are at various addressing efficiently the transportation situation to stages. I am pleased to report that, the Francistown Batswana, Botswana Railways is procuring eight (8) Airport and Sir Seretse Khama International Airport Locomotives as part of its recapitalization plan. These (SSKIA) expansions were completed in 2011 and 2015, locomotives are expected to be delivered by March respectively. These airports are currently utilised and 2017. efforts are underway to attract more airlines into the Mr Chairperson, I’m pleased to announce that after country to utilize them as per the open sky policy that persistent public demand, my ministry through the has been adopted by the Government. The construction rd Botswana Railways is reintroducing Passenger Services of Kasane Terminal Building commenced on the 3 Train to run between Lobatse and Francistown. There November 2014 and is scheduled to be completed in will be daily scheduled night service from each end and February 2017, and work on the New Air Traffic Control will commence service on the 23rd March 2016. Day Tower and Technical block in Maun that commenced schedules will be considered to augment road passenger in January 2015 is expected to be completed in March transport during peak periods. The train will stop at the 2016. six (6) stations being; Lobatse, Gaborone, Mahalapye, My ministry is also currently implementing a project Palapye, Serule and Francistown. In addition, Botswana called “Improvement of Radar Coverage in the Eastern Railways is refurbishing its station buildings in line Sector Airspace” to enhance air traffic surveillance in the with the passenger train service. eastern airspace of Botswana. This project is scheduled for completion and commissioning at the end of March Mr Chairperson, the passenger train services comes 2016. Furthermore, the installation of the equipment for with other employment opportunities, not which only the Air Traffic Control Radar Simulator was completed benefit Botswana Railways, but other sectors e.g. and commissioned in April 2015. catering, security, cleaning and sanitation, which have been contracted to citizen based companies. My ministry is further implementing a project for Improvement of Navigation aids at Maun, Kasane and Mr Chairperson, I would also like to highlight that the Kang. The project entails installation of navigation aids passenger service offers different classes as follows; at these sites in order to enhance flight operation safety in the Botswana Airspace and at airports. A contract for (a) Standard class, which is more improved than a installation of navigation aids at Kang was signed in July normal economy class. 2015 and manufacturing of equipment is in progress. (b) Business class, targeted for the business Delivery and installation is scheduled for June 2016. On community. the other hand, a tender for navigation aids at Maun and Kasane is scheduled for advertisement in March 2016. (c) Sleeper (first class) which is only available on the night trains which is targeted for sleeping on- Mr Chairperson, our efforts to attract more airlines to fly board. into the country are slowly bearing fruits. To date, a total

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of five (5) airlines are currently flying into Botswana. ferries CTO has identified extra service providers in These are Ethiopian Airlines, South African Express Botswana who will assist with maintenance and repair Airways, South African Air link, Kenya Airways, and of major components of the Ferries rather than relying Air Namibia. Another airline from Zimbabwe; namely, on foreign suppliers. Fast Jet, has been given traffic rights to operate from Harare to Francistown, then Gaborone and back, with In an effort to reduce travelling distances by departments effect from June 2016. This will increase the number to acquire fuel, my Ministry has increased access to of airlines doing business in Botswana to six (6) and fuel by adding eight extra fuel points in strategic areas. it is expected that this number should increase in the Government vehicles are now able to access fuel at near future as discussions are underway with 2 long haul Ncojane, Sehithwa, Mabutsane, Phitshane/Molopo, carriers. Goodhope, Letlhakeng, Takatokwane and . Other BOTSWANA’S ADHERENCE TO initiatives in this regard include engagement of private INTERNATIONAL AVIATION SAFETY filling stations in areas where government is not able STANDARDS to provide services. Negotiations with the private fuel suppliers have started in this regard. Mr Chairperson, the Civil Aviation Authority of Botswana (CAAB) underwent an aviation safety Mr Chairperson, on the issue of Fleet Management, a oversight validation in April 2013. Two significant computerized system called Fleet Tracking Maintenance safety concerns (SSCs) in Aircraft Operations and and Management System (FTMMS) has been completed Airworthiness of Aircraft were identified. Today I am and rolled out to all regions and other ministries. The happy to announce that the two SSCs were successfully system will be used to monitor maintenance costs resolved in December 2015. In addition, ICAO of each vehicle as well as addressing issues of abuse determined that Botswana’s Effective Implementation and misuse of vehicles. Ministries and Departments (EI) of ICAO Standard and Recommended Practices have been trained and further training will be done in has increased from 53.78 per cent to an EI of 71.32 February and March 2016 in order to ensure that each per cent which puts Botswana above the African and Ministry is able to utilize the system. Global averages of 46.39 per cent and 62.68 per cent, Mr Chairperson let me now present to this Honourable respectively. House my budget proposal for the financial year Mr Chairperson, this now means that Botswana has 2016/17, starting with the Recurrent budget proposal now resumed accepting applications for new Air and then conclude with the Development budget bid. Operators Certificates (AOCs), Approved Maintenance Organization (AMOs) and Approved Training 2016/17 RECCURENT BUDGET ESTIMATES Organizations (ATOs). Mr Chairperson, my ministry requests for a provision GOVERNMENT TRANSPORT SERVICES of P 2, 022, 398, 190. 00 (Two billion, twenty two million, three hundred and ninety eight thousand, one Mr Chairperson, in implementing the CTO policy hundred and ninety pula only) for the financial year objectives during the 2015/16 financial year, CTO faced 2016/2017 compared to the P 2, 079, 505, 380. 00 (Two a number of challenges. billion, seventy nine million, five hundred and five thousand, three hundred and eighty pula only) which In an effort to reduce delays in delivery of maintenance was warranted for the financial year 2015/2016. This services, CTO accredited a number of garages to represents about 3 per cent decrease. assist Government. Government also decentralised the management of vehicle maintenance to ministries to The largest share goes to the Central Transport ensure increased accountability and speedy services. Organisation with an amount of P 570, 200, 800. 00 or 28 per cent followed by the Department of Information Madam Chairperson, my Ministry is operating one Technology P 460, 516, 470. 00 or 23 per cent and ferry in Kazungula and three in Mohembo. During this Department of Roads P 431, 717, 610.00 or 21 per cent financial year we experienced frequent break down whilst 28 per cent is shared by the other three departments of Kazungula ferry due to failure by some of the hull namely, Corporate Services, Road Transport and Safety, modules which led to water coming into the modules. Telecommunications and Postal Services. Efforts to outsource the 2401- Department of Corporate Services Kazungula ferry are ongoing. The identified contractor will be doing a trial run from April 2016 to July 2016. Headquarters has been warranted P 420, 972, 940. In an effort to ensure smooth running of the Mohembo 00. Out of which P 34, 244, 070. 00 is for Personal

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Emoluments, Other Charges amounts to P 96, 133, provision. The bulk of this budget goes to the upgrading 460. 00 whereas Grants and Subventions amounts to of existing roads under the Bitumen and Trunk Roads, P 242, 850, 050. 00. The breakdown of the grants and Telecommunications Development and Air Transport subvention is as follows: CAAB P 159, 486, 530.00; Infrastructure Programs, respectively. This budget shall BOFINET P 34, 700, 000. 00; Botswana Post and be distributed as follows; Savings Group Limited P 25, 000, 000. 00; whereas Botswana Post (Universal Service Obligation) P 23, 09541 - MTC Computerization P 1, 500, 000.00 663, 520.00. In addition vehicles will be replaced to the Mr Chairperson, the funds requested under this tune of P 47, 745, 360. 00. programme are to undertake Computerisation of Driver 2402- Department of Roads Transport and Safety Test project in the 2016/17 financial year.

This Department has been warranted P 128, 264, 630. 09543 - MTC Consultancies P 34 000 000 00. Out of which P 83, 422, 170.00 is for Personal Mr Chairperson, under this programme P 34, 000, 000. Emoluments whereas Other Charges is P 44, 842, 460. 00 is requested for implementation of the Upgrading 00. of Botswana Roads Management System, Revision 2403-Central Transport Organisation of Botswana Road Design Manual and Standard Specifications, Training Long term and short term This Department has been warranted P 570, 200, 820.00. (BITP), General Cooperation Activities, National Multi- Out of P 129 952 340 is for Personal Emoluments, P Modal Transport Master Plan (BITP), Public Transport 345, 000, 000. 00 is for Petrol, Oil and Lubricants, P Modernization project (BITP), Improvement of Public 29, 235, 720. 00 is for Sub contract repairs, vehicle and Transport and Route Signage (BITP), OPRC Monitoring plant maintenance whereas Other Charges is P66, 012, Consultancy as well as the Technical Support Group 760. 00. (BITP).

2404- Telecommunications and Postal Services 09547 - Bitumen and Trunk Roads P 398 659 000 The department has a warranted provision of P 10, 725, Mr Chairperson, the largest amount is required under this 720. 00, out of which P 6, 257, 060. 00 is for Personal programme for implementation of some currently on- emoluments whereas P 4, 468, 660. 00 is for other going projects as well as some of the ESP projects. These charges. projects are the MTC Technology and Logistics (BITP), 2405- Department of Roads construction and supervision costs for the Charles Hill Ncojane Road project, Package 1 (OPRC) Mankgodi- The department has a warranted provision of P 431, Jwaneng (BITP), Package 2 (OPRC) Rakhuna-Mabule 717, 610. 00. out of which P 124, 954, 290. 00 is for (BITP), Tonota - F/Town - Design and Construction, Personal emoluments, P 233, 945, 000. 00 is for Road Traffic Signal Modernisation + Centralised Traffic maintenance whereas P 72, 818, 320.00 is for other Control for Greater Gaborone- BITP, Upgrading of 3 charges. Grades Intersections of KT Motsete Drive (Western 2406- Department of Information Technology bypass), Access Road to CBD, Mogoditshane - Gabane - Mmankgodi Junction project and Gaborone - Lobatse The department has warranted provision of P 460 Dualling Phase 1 which includes 1 interchange at Boatle. 516 470. Out of which P 133 932 590 is for Personal Emoluments, P 191 514 820 for Computer Systems 09548 - Secondary Roads Construction P 170, 000, consumables and maintenance whereas P 135 069 060 000.00 is for other charges. Most ESP projects will be implemented under this 2016/17 DEVELOPMENT BUDGET ESTIMATES programme. Hundred and seventy million pula is requested here Mr Chairperson for the implementation Mr Chairperson, I now present the ministry’s of the Mabeleapudi – Serule, Dibete-Mookane- Development Budget. For the implementation of Machaneng, Design Review and Construction the Ministry’s development projects planned for the of Molepolole Internal Road, Mmandunyane - 2016/17 financial year, I request for the sum of P Shashemooke - Borolong - Chadibe - Mathangwane 1, 315, 359, 000.00 (one billion, three hundred and road, Mulambakwena-Tshesebe via Mosojane with fifteen million, three hundred and fifty nine thousand a junct to Masunga road, Thamaga-Kubung Road, pula). The proposed amount represents a net decrease Goodhope – Kgoro-Gathwane road, Manyana Moshupa of about 19 per cent below the current year’s financial road, Mmathethe-Tsoaneng Road, Gatshwane (Butale-

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Tshesebe & Butale-Senyawe), Thalamabele-Mosu, where there is no commercial incentive continues to Radisele - Pilikwe Road as well as the Modipane – strain the financial position of the Post thus this request. Sikwane Road. 09555 - Development of ICT Facilities P 84, 000, 000. 09549 - Bridges Construction P 145, 000, 000. 00 00

Construction of the Kazungula Bridge as well as Finally, Mr Chairperson, I request for eighty four design of the Mohembo Bridge will continue under this million for the development of ICT facilities. Activities programme. Only hundred and forty five million pula to be carried out include Computer Refurbishment will be required in the coming financial year for these Centre, GDN Phase III, IT Governance Framework projects. Standards, DPSM System - HR Payroll System (e-Gov Component).The e-Government Programme will also 09552- Air Transport Infrastructure P 197, 200, 000. be covered. 00 Mr Chairperson, my presentation of the 2016/17 Mr Chairperson, the third largest share of my ministry’s recurrent and development budgets concludes here. I development budget the Air Transport Infrastructure now request to move that the sum of P 2, 022, 398, 190. programme. Major projects under this programme 00 (two billion, twenty-two million, three hundred include Maun Airport Improvements Supervision and ninety-eight thousand, one hundred and ninety Consultancy Services, Improvement of Radar coverage pula) in the Consolidated Fund be approved and stand in the Eastern (Sua Pan), SSKA Procurement and as part of the Schedule of the Appropriation (2016/17) Installation of ATC Radar Simulator, SSKA Terminal Bill 2016; and that the sum of, P 1, 315, 359, 000. 00 Building Construction, Kasane Airport - Construction (one billion, three hundred and fifteen million, three of Airside Works, Terminal building and Control Tower, hundred and fifty-nine thousand)in the Development Aeronautical Mobile Services (Improvement of VHF Fund Estimates be approved and stand part of those Communication in the Lower Airspace), Maun Airport - Estimates in accordance with the amendments made to Air Traffic Control Tower, Kasane Airport - Consultancy the Estimate Book. I thank you Mr Chairman. Services, Maun Airport Relocation of People & MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, whilst property, Improvement of Aviation Security Systems, you are still standing, is there an amendment which you Navigational Aids (Installation of VOR/DME) at Kang, made in the speech you distributed to the Members of Maun and Kasane, Upgrading of AFTN to AMHS, Parliament yesterday? Francistown Airport Improvement Construction- Terminal Buildings and the Maun Terminal Building MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND Construction project. COMMUNICATIONS (MR MABEO): Thank you Mr Chairperson, maybe I should apologise that I 09553 - Telecommunications Development P 270, should have started by highlighting that there we some 000, 000. 00 minor changes in the speech that we made copies of International connectivity, Backbone networks to and submitted to Parliament yesterday. Thank you Mr upgrade some links to fibre optic technology for Chairperson. increased capacity, Local Access networks and the MR CHAIRPERSON: Can we give them the corrected Schools Connectivity Project targeting 353 Primary, one? 142 CJSS and 28 Senior MR MABEO: Yes. Secondary Schools will be implemented through the funds requested under this programme. The programme MR CHAIRPERSON: Where did you amend? takes up the second largest share of the ministry’s budget proposal. MR MABEO: I have made some minor changes. I would say on a number of Pages, but I must say Mr 09554 - Botswana Postal Services P 15, 000, 000. 00 Chairperson that we have not actually produced the hard copy of the corrected one. Under this programme only fifteen million is required. The funds will be disbursed as annual subsidy for MR CHAIRPERSON :…(inaudible)… provision of Universal service Obligation activities by BOTSPOST for delivering the Universal Service MR MABEO: Oh! You do have, I was not aware. Thank Obligation (USO) on behalf of the Government. It you Mr Chairperson, but the corrected version is the one is worth noting that ensuring that communities have that I would like it to be distributed to the Honourable access to quality basic Postal Services even in areas Members. Thank you Mr Chairperson.

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MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Order! Honourable I know we will not get a chance to have tarred roads; we Members the floor is open. have just been relegated to have dusty roads. If you take the - and -Ngware roads, MR KABLAY (LETLHAKENG-LEPHEPHE): they are unusable after it has rained. After the recent Thank you Mr Chairperson. Mr Speaker, first of all rains, people were suffering, the clinic at Diphuduhu; let me thank the Minister for his presentation. Like people were sick in Ngware, some wanted to deliver the Honourable Minister was saying, his Ministry has babies but the roads were not user friendly. We are several departments. These many departments, are they thankful for the fact that they are being graded here not the ones which somehow make the Minister not and there Honourable Minister, but the problem is that perform effectively; because we are expecting a lot of when it rains they cannot be used. We are requesting things from him; post offices, roads and other things? that something should be done Sir. We are asking that Now is it not high time that some of the things be diverted they should put better gravel on them, so that as we and given to a Ministry like the one Honourable Molefhi lament in the meantime people would be able to at least is responsible for so that things can start moving in the use these roads. People should not lament about not Ministry? That is a question I am putting across to you having tarred roads, and also lament about the fact that Sir. Allow me to say, as a government, as the BDP when it rains there will just be chalky alkaline all over. (Domkrag) we said people should vote for us and we Therefore Mr Speaker, we were requesting that places will take services to them. Your Ministry Honourable like - should have roads, so that Minister is trailing behind here and there. When you take people would be assisted. the renewal of licenses for instance, the constituency I am representing, the Letlhakeng Constituency that thing Honourable Minister, your planners should not be in one does not exist there. For someone to renew their license place, I have a constituency I am representing and I have they have to commute and pay around P100, someone been lamenting about tarred roads, even if it can only be travelling all the way from Malwelwe, and 4 kilometres or 5 kilometres, maybe from Matlagatso up passing Letlhakeng being the centre of the to Mantshwabisi only; maybe it will show that even if constituency; passing all the way going to Molepolole. the government does not have money, it will show there This is making people suffer Mr Chairperson. The time is a bit of effort. has come for licenses to be renewed in Letlhakeng so Since I came to Parliament in 2009 I have been lamenting that people who come from far would be able to get about tarred roads that please help us by building tarred assisted. The current system is making people suffer. roads for us. When the tarred roads are there that is how People are asking us, they are saying, ‘you said you people can grow; right now in my constituency we think will bring services to us, now where are they?’ Things we are poor. Why are we poor? The reason is because we like testing centres, where people get licenses from do not have roads, even if we wished to do something, are in Molepolole. Mr Chairperson as we always say, a business for example; businesses are the ones which Letlhakeng has now grown; everything should not be help in the development of a village. Now how are stationed or done in Molepolole when Letlhakeng is people in my constituency going to develop? How such a big constituency; people can be tested there and are they going to live better lives because there are no issued with licenses so that they do not keep going to tarred roads there? You cannot even see a single combi Molepolole. When they get to Molepolole they find a because the roads are discouraging them. Oh! Are you lot of congestion, by the time they go to the revenue to not feeling pity enough so that we help those people? pay, they would be told that the computers are down; What is it that they have done such that they cannot be the poor people would then go back to where they came assisted when other people are being helped Honourable from, having incurred costs. Now this thing Mr Speaker, Minister? Mr Speaker, planners can help, we can end we want to tell the Minister that it is time he reviewed this thing of asking ourselves whether the Minister does these things. In Letlhakeng we now have a population not build roads in his constituency, whether he does not of about 14 000 people. If we take the population of the only look at his constituency alone and ignoring ours. surrounding areas as well we can reach about 50 000. Right now people are asking themselves why a tarred Now Minister let us review these things, and provide road is being built in Kubung, why Kubung? services to people; this is what we had promised them, lest they say, ‘You promised us things, now you are HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(laughter)... failing to deliver.’ MR KABLAY: We know that Kubung is part of the The third thing Honourable Minister is that the roads Thamaga farming lands, now since you are saying you this side, we know in our constituency tarred roads are are only going to put tarmac on roads with heavy traffic, luxury. Bakwena say something is a ‘luxury’ (moshomo). now what could be the matter? Where there is a lot of

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traffic you are not putting the tarmac and where there are I would also like to commend the Botswana Fibre not many vehicles that is where you are making tarred Networks (BOFINET) for the continual connection of roads; where is the sense there? Honourable Minister let telephones around the country because they will link us the tarred roads … as a country and even the outside world. This will help the economy of the country to link with other foreign MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE, SCIENCE economies across the world. AND TECHNOLOGY (MR MOLEFHI): Can the Honourable Member state the areas where there is no Moreover, I would like to commend the Botswana traffic and yet with tarred road and those with traffic but Telecommunications Corporation (BTC) for the no tarred road. initiative of Initial Public Offering (IPO) which is doing well as they continue to update us. We believe MR KABLAY: I do not want to state them because everything will fall into place when all has been someone might think I am out of order. We were concluded. You have undergone a tough transition when informed that tarred road is constructed where there is BTC was privatised and it took longer than anticipated. too much traffic… Now that we are hoping that you will soon conclude on that, there will be no hindrances. MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR MABEO): On a point Now on to the issue of post offices, they still play of correction. Before construction of tarred roads, a pivotal role in our villages. In my constituency in there are quite a number of factors that are taken into Mmathethe-Molapowabojang, it is still a village and consideration and that means the involvement of the the services offered there include pensions for the Ministry of Transport and Communications. Let me elderly and delivery of mails. All these services are further state that we do not construct a tarred road just delivered because there is a post office. Now we would because there are too many vehicles using that road. I like the same services to be extended to villages like thank you Mr Chairperson. Lorolwane, Metlobo, Gasita, Maokane, Segwagwa and Magoriapitse because they are always complaining of MR KESUPILE: On a point of procedure. Mr lack of such. Some of the residents have constructed Chairperson, I think it is unfair for the Minister to take one roomed houses to use as offices but you have so much time of the Honourable Member of Parliament discouraged them saying that they are not fit to operate who wants to speak. He will have his ample time to as offices. The Village Development Committee (VDC) make whatever explanation he wants to make. now are wondering if they have misused their funds by constructing these houses. So if there is a way you could MR CHAIRPERSON: No if he stands up on a point of do it so that we have post offices, kindly facilitate us or correction I do not have control over what he corrects. refurbish those houses to be offices. Were you finished Honourable Minister? Honourable I will quickly get into the issue of construction of Kablay you may proceed. tarred roads which a lot of us are not happy about MR KABLAY: Thank you Mr Chairperson. As I have because our villages do not have them. A village like already explained, something needs to be done about Molapowabojang, they do not have roads, they even that. Back in the days in our constituency, in Letlhakeng sent me the photos of our bridge which we have been we used to start with one lane of tarred road and as traffic using; it has been destroyed by floods. The students continues to increase, the lanes are increased to two. I have not gone to school, the same to workers because therefore propose to your ministry that you should adopt what we have been relying on has been destroyed. We the same strategy because we are faced with financial need to be considered for a road that will go through constraints because people need to have tarred roads Molapowabojang because this is a big village with a in their areas. The problem is the explanations that we population of more than 10 000 people. We need at least keep having. I thank you. a loop of 10 kilometres which we will be our access road into the village and it will also easy the delivery ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH (DR of services in the village. We also request that you ease MADIGELE): Thank you Mr Chairperson and the the congestion of traffic along the A1 road which starts Honourable Minister for presenting this submission from Honourable Molale’s constituency. However I before this Honourable House. I support it and I even am grateful that I have received a letter informing me think they need more funds because it plays a pivotal that you have planned a 12 kilometre road from Kgoro role in the economy of this country. It is important to Gathwane. We request that you increase it with five because it is an enabler of many sectors or every sector more kilometres to cover the road from Lorwana to of the economy of Botswana. Molapowabojang to connect these villages because now

46 Hansard No 182 Tuesday 15thMarch, 2016 ORGANISATION 2400 - TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS - Committee of Supply people want to use a shorter road to Kanye rather than having to travel through Mmathethe and Magoriapitse. The road that passes through Gathwane and Molapowabojang is nearer to Kanye and it will make delivery of services more efficient. That road could even extend to Kgomokasitwa which is just about 10 kilometres from Molapowabojang. This road could be quite useful as it will connect all the villages in the South and connect the Southern District so that the projects may be run efficiently. As I continue Minister, let me talk about a road which I am grateful for and which is planned for 2016/2017. Thank you, I believe that the residents of Metlobo, Tswaaneng, Mmathethe are happy to hear that Metlobo-Tswaaneng- Mmathethe –Kanngwe road is planned for 2016/2017. We have complained about this road for a long time. This road is important because it leads to production areas. Minister, that is a farming area, most of the foods that we consume on a daily basis come from Kanngwe, Metlobo, Mosi. This road is going to prove very useful and our economy will improve more especially in the agriculture sector. We have a road from Motlhalawakgomo, passing through Selokolela, Gasita up to Lorolwane. I have realised that you have included part of it in the Output and Performance-Based Road Contracts (OPRC). This OPRC programme is worrying because it seems slow and therefore we cannot see its track record. MOTION

ADJOURNMENT

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR MASISI): Thank you Mr Chairperson. I humbly request that this House do now adjourn.

Question put and agreed to.

The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:00 p.m. until Wednesday 16th March 2016 at 2:00 p.m.

Annex A

2015/16 Recurrent Budget Expenditure Analysis

2015/16 Warranted Expenditure as at % of Budget Spent Provision 8th March 2016

2401 – Corporate Services 425 745 620 385 530 989 91 2402 – Road Transport Safety 134 740 870 116 159 519 86 2403 – Central Transport Organization 580 521 320 458 213 804 79 2404 – Telecommunications and Postal 8 989 909 81 Services 11 133 170 2405 – Roads Department 538 838 340 513 475 991 95 2406 – Information Technology 388 556 530 326 462 529 80 Totals 2 079 505 380 1 809 055 384 87

2015/16 Development Budget Expenditure Analysis

2015/16 Approved Expenditure as at % of Budget Budget 8th March 2016 Spent

09541 - MTC Computerization 2,000,000 1,017,472 51 09542 – MTC Fleet Expansion 0 0 0 09543 - MTC Consultancies 55,000,000 25,225,121 46 09544 - MTC Facilities 10,000,000 2,452,468 25 09545 - Air Botswana Finances 0 0 0 09546 - Botswana Railways Finances 0 0 0 09547 - Bitumen and Trunk Roads Improvements 466,000,000 324,200,147 70

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09548 - Secondary Roads 0 0 0 09549 - Bridges Construction 286,000,000 37,878,522 13 09550 - Weighbridges 0 0 0 09551 - Transport Control & Road Safety 5,000,000 134,501 3 09552 - Air Transport Infrastructure 352,000,000 398,898,942 113 09553 - Telecommunications Development 370,000,000 417,418,776 113 09552 - Botswana Postal Services 40,000,000 40,000,000 100 09555 - Development of ICT Facilities 29,682,000 137,179,298 462 Totals 1,615,682,000 1,384,405,247 86

Annex B

2015/16 and 2016/17 Recurrent Budget Estimates Analysis

2015/16 Approved 2016/17 Approved Increase/Decrease Budget Budget as % of Approved Budget 2401 – Corporate Services 400,818,020 420,972,940 5 2402 – Road Transport Safety 123,962,970 128,264,630 3 2403 – Central Transport Organization 584,996,220 570,200,820 (3) 2404 – Telecommunications and 5 Postal Services 10,200,770 10,725,720 2405 – Roads Department 550,821,340 431,717,610 (22) 2406 – Information Technology 408,706,060 460,516,470 13 Totals 2,079,505,380 2,022,398,190 (1)

2015/16 and 2016/17 Development Budget Estimates Analysis

2015/16 Approved 2016/17 Approved Increase/ Budget Budget Decrease as % of Approved Budget 09541 - MTC Computerization 2,000,000 1,500,000 (25) 09542 – MTC Fleet Expansion 0 0 09543 - MTC Consultancies 55,000,000 34,000,000 (62) 09544 - MTC Facilities 10,000,000 0 (100) 09545 - Air Botswana Finances 0 0 09546 - Botswana Railways Finances 0 0 09547 - Bitumen and Trunk Roads Improvements 466,000,000 398,659,000 (14) 09548 - Secondary Roads 0 170,000,000 (100) 09549 - Bridges Construction 286,000,000 145,000,000 (49) 09550 - Weighbridges 0 0 09551 - Transport Control & Road Safety 5,000,000 0 (100) 09552 - Air Transport Infrastructure 352,000,000 197,200,000 (44) 09553 - Telecommunications Development 370,000,000 270,000,000 (27)

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09552 - Botswana Postal Services 40,000,000 15,000,000 (63) 09555 - Development of ICT Facilities 29,682,000 84,000,000 182 Totals 1,615,682,000 1,315,359,000 (19) ANNEX C

2015/16 and 2016/17 Recurrent Budget Estimates Analysis

2015/16 Actual Revenue % Collection Estimated Collection Revenue 2401 – Corporate Services 95 200 165 272 174 2402 – Road Transport Safety 290 705 350 276 022 722 95 2403 – Central Transport 49 Organization 405 130 130 198 830 287 2404 – Telecommunications and 104 Postal Services 7 850 8 187 2405 – Roads Department 3 485 590 4 222 699 121 2406 – Information Technology 2 620 410 2 244 401 86 Totals 702 044 530 481 493 568 69

Hansard No 182 49 HANSARD RECORDERS Mr. T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Ms T. Rantsebele, Mr M. Buti, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms D. Pheko, Ms G. Baotsi, Ms N. Mokoka, Ms B. Pinaemang

HANSARD EDITORS Ms W. Mbeha,Ms K. Alepeng Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe HANSARD TRANSLATORS Ms B. Ntisetsang, Mr T. Rajane, Ms M. Sekao, Ms M. Rabotsima, Ms B. Mosinyi, Ms V. Nkwane, Ms K. Nyanga, Ms N Kerobale, Ms K. Ben, Ms M. Kagiso, Ms B. Dintwa, Ms T. Bocock

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi

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