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COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA Official Committee Hansard SENATE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS LEGISLATION COMMITTEE ESTIMATES (Budget Estimates) TUESDAY, 31 MAY 2005 CANBERRA BY AUTHORITY OF THE SENATE INTERNET The Proof and Official Hansard transcripts of Senate committee hear- ings, some House of Representatives committee hearings and some joint committee hearings are available on the Internet. Some House of Representatives committees and some joint committees make avail- able only Official Hansard transcripts. The Internet address is: http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard To search the parliamentary database, go to: http://parlinfoweb.aph.gov.au Tuesday, 31 May 2005 Senate—Legislation CA 1 SENATE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS LEGISLATION COMMITTEE Tuesday, 31 May 2005 Members: Senator Knowles (Chair), Senator Greig (Deputy Chair), Senators Barnett, Den- man, Humphries and Moore Senators in attendance: Senator Knowles (Chair), Senator Greig (Deputy Chair), Senators Allison, Barnett, Crossin, Eggleston, Evans, Forshaw, Humphries, McLucas, Ludwig, Moore and Webber Committee met at 9.04 am FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES PORTFOLIO Consideration resumed from 30 May 2005. In Attendance Senator Patterson, Minister for Family and Community Services Department of Family and Community Services Executive Dr Jeff Harmer, Secretary Mr Wayne Jackson, Deputy Secretary Mr Stephen Hunter, Deputy Secretary Mr David Kalisch, Acting Deputy Secretary Executive (Secretary & Deputy Secretaries) Group Managers Ms Glenys Beauchamp, Group Manager, Families and Children Ms Kerry Flanagan, Group Manager, Women and Youth Mr Robert Knapp, Group Manager, Housing and Disability Mr Alex Dolan, Acting Group Manager, Social Policy Ms Cate McKenzie, Group Manager, Communities Mr Tim Youngberry, Group Manager, Business, Financial Services and Information Tech- nology Women and Youth Ms Kerry Flanagan, Group Manager, Women and Youth Ms Jenny Bourne, Branch Manager, Safety, Leadership and Consultation Ms Lee Emerson, Branch Manager, Policy, Research and International Ms Kim Loveday, Branch Manager, Youth Bureau 1.1 Support for Today Mr Alex Dolan, Acting Group Manager, Social Policy Ms Pamela Kinnear, Senior Advisor Family Payments Mr Andrew Whitecross, Branch Manager, Research and Data Management Mr Steve Jennaway, Branch Manager, Budget Development Ms Michalina Stawyskyj, Branch Manager, People COMMUNITY AFFAIRS CA 2 Senate—Legislation Tuesday, 31 May 2005 Ms Fiona Dempster, Branch Manager, Ministerial, Media and Executive Support 1.2 Preparing for the Future Mr Alex Dolan, Acting Group Manager, Social Policy Ms Pamela Kinnear, Senior Advisor Family Payments Mr Andrew Whitecross, Branch Manager, Research and Data Management Mr Steve Jennaway, Branch Manager, Budget Development Ms Michalina Stawyskyj, Branch Manager, People Ms Fiona Dempster, Branch Manager, Ministerial, Media and Executive Support 2.1 Practical Support and Sharing Responsibility Mr Robert Knapp, Group Manager Housing and Disability Ms Cate McKenzie, Group Manager, Communities Ms Liza Carroll, Branch Manager, Housing Support Mr Peter Taylor, Branch Manager, Branch Manager Indigenous Housing & Infrastructure Ms Dawn Casey, Branch Manager Indigenous Housing & Infrastructure 3.1 Support for the Aged Mr Alex Dolan, Acting Group Manager, Social Policy Mr Nick Hartland, Branch Manager, Social Security Relationships and Compliance Mr Peter Hutchinson, Acting Branch Manager International Mr Ben Wallace, Acting Branch Manager, Seniors & Means Test 3.2 Support for People with Disabilities Mr Robert Knapp, Group Manager Housing and Disability Ms Peta Winzar, National Disability Operations State Manager Queensland State Office Mr Roger Barson, Branch Manager Disability and Carers 3.3 Support for Carers Mr Robert Knapp, Group Manager Housing and Disability Mr Roger Barson, Branch Manager Disability and Carers 3.4 Support for Youth Ms Kerry Flanagan, Group Manager, Women and Youth Ms Kim Loveday, Branch Manager, Youth Bureau Ms Kasy Chambers, Branch Manager, Communications and Library 3.5 Support for Women Ms Kerry Flanagan, Group Manager, Women and Youth Mr Alex Dolan, Acting Group Manager, Social Policy Ms Jenny Bourne, Branch Manager Safety, Leadership and Consultation Ms Lee Emerson, Branch Manager Policy, Research and International Mr Ben Wallace, Acting Branch Manager Seniors and Means Test 4.1 Support for Families Ms Glenys Beauchamp, Group Manager, Families and Children Mr Alex Dolan, Acting Group Manager, Social Policy Ms Kerry Flanagan, Group Manager, Women and Youth Mr Jeff Popple, Branch Manager Families and Children’s Policy Dr Loucas Nicolaou, Branch Manager, Indigenous Family and Child Wellbeing Mr Evan Lewis, Branch Manager, Early Childhood and Communities COMMUNITY AFFAIRS Tuesday, 31 May 2005 Senate—Legislation CA 3 Mr Tony Carmichael, Branch Manager, Family Relationship Services and Child Support Policy Mr David Hazlehurst, Manager Family Payments Ms Kim Loveday, Branch Manager Youth Bureau 4.2 Child Support Mr Wayne Jackson, Deputy Secretary Ms Glenys Beauchamp, Group Manager, Families and Children Mr Tony Carmichael, Branch Manager, Family Relationship Services and Child Support Policy 4.3 Child Care Support Ms Glenys Beauchamp, Group Manager, Families and Children Ms Linda Powell, Branch Manager, Child Care Policy and Planning Ms Donna Griffin, Acting Branch Manager, Child Care Policy and Planning 5.1 Supporting Communities and Delivering Local Solutions Ms Cate McKenzie, Group Manager, Communities Mr Barry Smith, Assistance Secretary, Community Branch Aboriginal Hostels Ltd Mr Keith Clarke, General Manager Dr Kamlesh Sharma, Assistant General Manager and Company Secretary Mr Russell Lane, Assistant General Manager Operations Department of Family and Community Services CHAIR—I declare open this public hearing of the Senate Community Affairs Legislation Committee considering the budget estimates. The committee will now continue its examination of the Family and Community Services portfolio. I welcome back the Minister for Family and Community Services, Senator Kay Patterson; Dr Harmer; and officers of the Department of Family and Community Services. The committee has completed outcomes 1 and 2 and output groups 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3. We will now commence with output group 3.4 and then go to output group 3.5, followed by outcomes 4 and 5. Senator McLUCAS—Dr Harmer, last night we were discussing page 123 of the PBS. You offered to take on notice the disaggregation of a number of those outputs. Would it be possible for you to provide the committee with each of the outputs disaggregated by program? This is not just for outcome 3, but let us talk about outcome 3 first. Could you provide us with each of the outputs, disaggregated by program, for the whole of outcome 3, with the funds that are attributed to each. Dr Harmer—For 2004 and 2005? Senator McLUCAS—I understand that it is tricky for 2004-05 because of the changed arrangements. I am particularly looking for 2005-06 and then the out years from there. I recognise the difficulty of doing it for 2004-05 and comparing apples and oranges, but if it were possible to do it for 2004-05 then that would be helpful. Dr Harmer—Senator, I think I answered at the last hearings a question in relation to this from Senator Collins, who was after a more detailed breakdown of forward estimates by program type—which is, I suspect, what you are also asking for. Is that correct? COMMUNITY AFFAIRS CA 4 Senate—Legislation Tuesday, 31 May 2005 Senator McLUCAS—Yes, it is. Dr Harmer—The answer I gave at the time has not changed. It is consistent with the position that the Department of Finance and Administration has taken in relation to all the estimates for all the departments, and DEWR and others have been asked similar questions. The answer is: ... FaCS will not provide financial estimates for each forward estimates year on Special Appropriations by payment type. This is consistent with the position taken by Finance and DEWR and other departments. It continues: What FaCS will do— and this is intended to be helpful— to assist the Senate Committee is to answer questions by payment type on future financial trends/expectations over the forward estimates period, for example on expectations of increases or decreases ... It is unable to provide, however, the detailed numbers—which are not published in the budget. I provided that answer— Senator McLUCAS—What question number is that, Dr Harmer? Dr Harmer—T21. It was in answer to Senator Collins’s question at the 16 February hearing. Senator McLUCAS—I will have a look at that and see whether that is what I am looking for. If there is something further, we will come back to it. [9.08 am] Senator CROSSIN—I have questions for people involved in 3.4, Support for Youth. I will start by asking you to give me a description of the Mentor Marketplace program. Ms Loveday—The Mentor Marketplace program provides mentoring opportunities for a wide range of young people. A decision was made in the budget to continue it and to create it as a lapsing program. Under that measure, funding was provided for up to 12 existing Mentor Marketplace projects from 1 July 2005, and funding was also provided for up to 15 new projects from 1 January 2006. The program seeks to provide a wide range of mentoring opportunities for young people, especially those at risk, those in contact with the juvenile justice system and those who need assistance to stay connected to family and the community. Senator CROSSIN—There were 12 existing programs. Has that now been extended to 15 or will there