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Exclusives Autos Alt. Transport Autonomy Energy Tesla Shop JANUARY 25 Tesla partners with Samsung on new 5nm chip for full self-driving, report says Fred Lambert - Jan. 25th 2021 8:45 am ET @FredericLambert 125 Comments Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn Reddit Tesla has reportedly partnered with Samsung on a new 5nm chip for full self-driving, according to a new report coming from Korea. Tesla moves to design its own chips Back in 2016, Tesla started building a team of chip architects led by legendary chip designer Jim Keller to develop its own silicon. The goal was to design a super powerful and eEcient chip for self- driving. In 2019, Tesla nally unveiled the chip as part of its Hardware 3.0 (HW 3.0) self-driving computer. They claim a factor of 21 improvement in frame per second processing versus the previous generation Tesla Autopilot hardware, which was powered by Nvidia hardware, while only barely increasing the power consumption. When launching the new chip, CEO Elon Musk announced that Tesla is already working on the next generation of the chip, and they expect it to be three times better than the new chip and roughly two years from production. Tesla’s next-generation self-driving chip A few months ago, there was a report that Tesla planned for its next-generation self-driving chip to use a 7-nanometer process by TSMC, a Taiwan semiconductor company. Now a new report from Korea states that Tesla is partnering with Samsung on a 5-nanometer chip for self-driving (via Asia-E and translated from Korean): According to related industries on the 25th, the Samsung Electronics Foundry Division is currently conducting research and development (R&D) on 5nm-class system semiconductors to be mounted on Tesla autonomous vehicles. The 5nm semiconductor applied with the extreme ultraviolet (EUV) process is a high-tech product that only a small number of companies such as Samsung Electronics and TSMC can produce worldwide. Samsung is already Tesla’s partner for the production of its current self-driving chips in its hardware 3.0 computer. However, that chip is based on a 14-nm technology. 5-nm chips are a more recent technology that only started to make it into commercial products last year. They are found in some of the latest smartphones, like Apple’s iPhone 12. The latest report on Tesla’s new chips stated that mass production was planned for Q4 2021 – meaning that we aren’t likely to see those chips inside Tesla production vehicles until 2022. FTC: We use income earning auto aMliate links. More. Subscribe to Electrek on YouTube for exclusive videos and subscribe to the podcast. Tesla Model S Palladium refresh spotted testing at on Fremont factory's track Watch later Share 1/9 Guides Tesla Tesla is a transportation and energy company. It sells vehicles under its 'Tesla Motors' division and stationary battery pack for home, commercial and utility-scale projects under its 'Tesla Energy' division. 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Name welsh_boy • 2 days ago Some thoughts what the shift from 14nm to 5nm and revised architecture may enable: less power consumption less cost (per chip) merging of the two redundant processors to a single die (see PCBA picture in the article) bring the media display CPU and GPU on die bring the cellular modem on die bring high speed ram on die more processing for less frequent hand offs to driver support for new algorithms / compute efficiency (see less power consumption) support for the rumored hi-res front radar? support for additional cameras / sensors on yet to be released models (roadster, cybertruck / semi / ???) 34 * + • Reply • Share › watchingfromabove % welsh_boy • 2 days ago Good comments, welsh boy. I agree with those except the one about putting the redundant processors on a chip. It might make sense to put two core equivalents on the same chip and have quad redundancy by adding another package since the point is to make the system fault tolerant and if one of the processors fail and dies bringing the chip down, the system still works. That said, to do fault tolerance right, There would actually be three boards with different power supplies, I/O paths, in different physical locations in the car, all working fully independent and voting (possibly overkill). This is a similar architecture to what the space shuttle used for the primary GPCs which the shuttle was dependent upon. 17 * + • Reply • Share › Joseph Brown % watchingfromabove • a day ago It is also similar to what the Dragon does, as well. 6 * + • Reply • Share › Commenter4376 % watchingfromabove • 9 hours ago They're not going to merge the MCU with the self driving chip though. They are already in talks with AMD for the next- gen MCU which will likely approach PS5 / Xbox gaming console levels of power. 1 * + • Reply • Share › Anthony % welsh_boy • a day ago There is no way you can put all that stuff on one single die. Its a terrible idea. 1. Put the RAM on package like the new Apple M1 chip maybe. It would seem to be a good approach. 2. Leave MCU CPU/GPU alone. It brings no value to the FSD system to have this here. Just connect over a high speed bus and let the MCU do its thing. 3. Leave cell modem and RF front end alone. Again, those chips don't bring any value for Tesla to integrate into FSD. 2 * + • Reply • Share › alan % welsh_boy • a day ago and if you bring the world on on die your fault rate will go up to the moon , some of the things your mention should be some should not I would not bring modem or ram on die as one is going to change and the other can be cached . 3 * + 2 • Reply • Share › phubbing % welsh_boy • 19 hours ago sounds like #apple #m1 :)) unified memory pool ;)) well very nice :) 1 * + • Reply • Share › Stephan % welsh_boy • 20 hours ago Having two chips could very well be a necessy redundancy by design. Don't forget that the hardwade is highly functional saftey relevant. At least I would be more than happy that if I use FSD and one chip fails there is another one that can stopp the car in a controlled way. Atm everything is speculation. Half a year ago more pointed to TSMC producing processors for Dojo than for FSD. At this point w/o further spec (especially chip size) there is an almost equal chance that it is about the next controller for the infotainment device. * + • Reply • Share › AS3 % welsh_boy • a day ago I agree with all the potential additions you mentioned, except "support for the rumored hi-res front radar" and "support for additional cameras" (for the Roadster or Cybertruck). Tesla will make sure to keep the same 8 cameras, 1 radar, and 12 ultrasonic sensor inputs into the SoC. Nothing special needs to be made, for the new radar. Tesla is about efficiency, so it is not likely that extra equipment will be added, for the Roadster or Cybertruck. In fact, the Semi- truck has a huge camera reduction, from the original concept (so far). * + • Reply • Share › RoadRunner48 % AS3 • a day ago The article here the other day about a high-res radar was for an internal radar, something to scan the interior of the passenger cabin. Sadly, it was not anything about a new sensor to scan the environment, which is what Tesla needs to make any meaningful advance in Autopilot toward Level 4 autonomy. * + • Reply • Share › Paul Vining % RoadRunner48 • a day ago Musk in an interview earlier this year in Germany said he already has reached Level 5 autonomy... 1 * + 1 • Reply • Share › Dan Frederiksen % Paul Vining • 19 hours ago Musk doesn't necessarily always tell the complete truth. Level 5 they most certainly don't have. 1 * + • Reply • Share › kbm3 % Paul Vining • 14 hours ago Nope. * + • Reply • Share › Alaa • 2 days ago 5nm means faster and consumes less energy 9 * + • Reply • Share › AS3 % Alaa • a day ago Well, it means less energy consumed, at least (if everything else stays the same). The only main way to get faster, without a clock increase, is to bring the memory a lot closer to the CPUs (decrease latency). I do expect clock increases and/or more parallel processing. They will likely work within the current power draw limits (maybe even a little bit more power draw). 1 * + • Reply • Share › Old_ISP % AS3 • an hour ago Actually, the slew rate is dependent on the saturation. So the smaller, the faster it saturates. * + • Reply • Share › Belland _Dog % Alaa • 2 days ago Yes, that's what a generational leap usually does (or at least what they strive to do, otherwise there is no reason for the new process). Though ofc it can range wildly with different architectures.