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NATIONAL LIFE STORIES AN ORAL HISTORY OF BRITISH SCIENCE Sir Martin and Lady Audrey Wood Interviewed by Dr Thomas Lean C1379/58 © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk This interview and transcript is accessible via http://sounds.bl.uk . © The British Library Board. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB United Kingdom +44 (0)20 7412 7404 [email protected] Every effort is made to ensure the accuracy of this transcript, however no transcript is an exact translation of the spoken word, and this document is intended to be a guide to the original recording, not replace it. Should you find any errors please inform the Oral History curators. © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk The British Library National Life Stories Interview Summary Sheet Title Page Ref no: C1379/58 Collection title. An Oral History of British Science Interviewee 1. Lady Audrey Wood Interviewee 2. Sir Martin Wood Interviewee 1 Entrepreneur Interviewee 2 Entrepreneur, Engineer. occupation. occupation. Parents’ occupations Mother: Missionary, Parents’ occupations Father: civil servant (interviewee 1). teacher; Father: (interviewee 2). missionary Date and place of 2 November 1927, Date and place of birth Great Milton, birth (interviewee 1). Hankow, China (interviewee 2). Oxfordshire, 19 April 1927 Dates of recording, Compact flash cards used, tracks (from – to): 21/11/2011 (tracks 1 and 2), 16/01/2012 (tracks 3-5), 14/02/2012 (tracks 6-8), 21/03/2012 (tracks 9 and 10), 16/04/2012 (tracks 11 and 12). Location of interview. Interviewee’s home, Abingdon. Name of interviewer. Thomas Lean Type of recorder. Marantz PMD661 on secure digital Recording format . WAV 24 bit 48 kHz Total no. of tracks 12 Mono or stereo Stereo Total Duration. 10:59:24 (HH:MM:SS) Additional material: Copyright/Clearance. © The British Library The following sections are closed for 30 years until April 2043: Track 7 [57:42 – End] and Track 6 [38:15] and [38:24] Interviewer’s First interview lost due to card failure. First session recorded is actually the comments. second interview in series. The last session recorded covered the topics covered in the first (lost) interview i.e. tracks 11 and 12 replace the missing tracks that begin the interview. 3 4 Martin & Audrey Wood Page 5 C1379/58 Track 1 Track 1 Martin, I was wondering if you could tell me a little bit about what you did after you left school, how did you decide on what you wanted to do next? MW: I had a long talk, there was a – I had a biology master who was rather interested in his pupils particularly, I remember talking to him about careers. And my own view was I wanted either to be a physicist or an engineer. And he – I remember he described his views of what a physicist and an engineer did, and that made me come down heavily on the side of being an engineer. In that school I hadn’t got the – none of my family are interested in this thing at all. My father was a civil servant, and my brothers were all, and sisters, were all doctors, and nurses. I knew I didn’t want to be any of those. And I didn’t really see the difference, much difference between being an engineer and a physicist, but I chose engineering, partly because I was never any good at mathematics, and you’ve got to have mathematics if you’re going to be a physicist, and there are branches of engineering, such as I took up, where you can get by get by without. So with that idea of wanting to an engineer, where did you go next? MW: I – we’re the sort of family where everybody’s been to university, and that was the done thing to go to university after school. AW: But actually the war came just as you finished school, didn’t it? MW: Yes, yes, it did. But I chose to go to Cambridge University, because it just was then much better than Oxford at engineering, I think Oxford’s come up a long way since actually, but Cambridge engineering had a particular – it was very comprehensive, and it was a big department, and lots going on. So I chose that, but as Audrey says, I was interrupted for three years I think it was, or was it four years? I’ll have to work that one out, by National Service. Because I became eighteen in April, it was the month the war started – Martin & Audrey Wood Page 6 C1379/58 Track 1 AW: Stopped. MW: Finished, the month the war finished. April 1945 I should think. I’ve forgotten your question now. I was wondering what you did after deciding you wanted to be an engineer? MW: Yes. Well I got called up pretty soon. Called up to do what? MW: I lived in Great Milton, and the nearest call up station was in a town called Thame, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of it. I got my papers, would I report to the signing off – signing up office in Thame. It was a funny old room in a very old house, and a very old man sitting at a very old table. It wasn’t at all what I expected, I expected a rather slick signing up approach, it wasn’t that at all. Nice old man. I walked in, he sat me down, and he said, well – he said, ‘You know, you’re coming up now, getting called up now, you’ll be given a number, from the time you’ve done it, and nobody knows how long it’s going to last for, but it’s always announced in the papers when your time has come to be released.’ And then went straight on and said, ‘Are you navy, army, air force?’ And I said, ‘As long as – none of those appeal to me very much, isn’t there anything else?’ He said, ‘Well, there’s the merchant navy,’ and I said that didn’t appeal very much. And he finally said, ‘Well you could go down the mines.’ And I said, ‘That’s for me.’ [Laughs] I can remember, I don’t think I thumped the table, but saying that, and he was amazed this man, he said, ‘We’ve never had anybody who wanted to go down the mines [laughs].’ I’m not in no way, what’s somebody who doesn’t want to go into the armed forces, didn’t want to fight, what are they called? Conscientious, I’m not a conscientious bloke at all, but it was after the war and I could just imagine, and I’ve always been rather against the sort of funny activities we had at school, putting on uniforms, and doing a bit of a square bashing, it bored me stiff. And the idea of – I had visions of people dotted all around the world sitting outside barracks waiting to go home, and it felt rather boring. So I thought the mines sounded – I didn’t know anything about them, but it – actually my Martin & Audrey Wood Page 7 C1379/58 Track 1 brother had, he was a medical student, and during his medical training he had to spend a few weeks in industry, and he had gone into the coal mines and come back saying what fun it had been. And I had no hesitation about saying, I rang him saying, ‘Well that’s the first time anybody’s said that to me.’ [laughs] [05:20] Anyway I got put into the – the only choice I had was where I went, which coalfield in the end, which actual mine you could choose, like you could choose if you went into the army, which regiment, or whatever it is you’re going to. You can’t change once you made that choice. So I chose to go down to the South Wales coalfield, and I chose a particular mine. Not at that time, I had to choose that later, which I did, I found out a little bit about the different mines and I was told for goodness sake – when I went down and talked to somebody about them, they said, ‘Chose a mine with a pithead bath otherwise you’ll find it difficult to get digs, get good digs, you’ll come home black and have to sort of wash in front of the fire,’ you know. It’s not so easy, if you can come home clean, you can imagine that was a very useful tip that. So mines it was, and I went home and I was – a few weeks later I got a letter saying I should report at the – I don’t think they were called Bevin boys at the time. You report to a certain mine where they had a training session set up on a mine with all the people going down the mines, at that time there were about thirty of us together. I think we went and lived down in a little hostel, and we were taught what mining is, and what we – looking at safety of sites and things, and so on. What else did you actually learn? And what do they actually teach you when you become a miner? MW: They taught very little, very little. They should have taught more because I soon found that in all sorts of ways you can operate more efficiently.