THE SECOND MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 10 MARCH 2021

ENGLISH VERSION HANSARD NO: 201 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Mabuse M. Pule, MP. ( East)

Clerk of the National Assembly - Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel - Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) - Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. ( South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (-) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. () - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. () - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. ( Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. () - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. () - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. ( -Maunatlala) - Development Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (-) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. () - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. ( East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

Names Constituency

RULING PARTY ( Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) -Lephephe Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata- Hon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. - Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. North Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of the Opposition) Maun West Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. (Opposition Whip) Ghanzi South Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP. East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. C. K. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North Hon. M. Reatile, MP. -Mabutsane (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 10th MARCH, 2021

CONTENTS PAGE (S) QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 1-8

STATEMENT COVID-19 VACCINE...... 9-11

GOVERNMENT BILL

Value Added Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2021 (No. 3 of 2021) First Reading...... 12

Appropriation (2021/2022) Bill, 2021 (No. 2 of 2021) Committee of Supply Organisation 1800 – Ministry Of Land Management, Water And Sanitation Services Committee of Supply (Resumed Debate) ...... 12-36

Organisation 2300 - Ministry of Infrastructure and Housing Development Committee of Supply...... 37-40

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Wednesday 10th March, 2021 (ii) how many are classified as scarce skill;

THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p. m. (iii) how much the Government pays as Scarce Skill Allowance per month; and (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) (iv) if, in light of the huge Government wage bill and P R A Y E R S the growing number of unemployed graduates, * * * * he has not considered a review of the Scarce Skill Allowance so that only well-deserving QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER scarce skills are incentivised; if so, to provide the timelines. TOBACCO LEVY MR M. REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to update this AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC Honourable House on the number and names of Non- ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Thank Governmental Organisations (NGOs) that have been you Mr Speaker. funded from the Tobacco Levy to carry out intervention programmes to help people deal with tobacco related (i) Mr Speaker, the number of graduates registered addictions; if none, why and if any, to state: in the Directorate of Public Service Management (DPSM) database as at 11th November 2020 (i) amounts disbursed and purpose; when it was transferred to the Labour Market (ii) when the funds were disbursed; and Observatory housed at the Human Resource Development Council (HRDC), stood at 49 372. (iii) whether the Ministry is satisfied with the level of utilisation of the levy funds to achieve the intended (ii) Scarce skills in the public service is determined health outcomes. after analysing several factors associated with a public service position, therefore an academic MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Honourable qualification on its own does not constitute scarcity Minister of Health and Wellness. nor does it determine eligibility to the scarce skill allowance. In that regard, the Unemployed HONOURABLE MEMBER: He likes to dodge. Graduate Database reflects registered graduates and their qualifications which upon recruitment MR SPEAKER: Honourable Lelatisitswe! Answer the into the public service may be a scarce skill or question. not depending on where that particular officer has …Silence… been deployed. (iii) Government pays on average P80 million per ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND month as scarce skills allowance. For example, for WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Mr Speaker, the month of December 2020, Government paid Honourable Reatile’s question 1 is similar to yesterday’s Eighty-one Million, Five Hundred and Ninety- question, we are still preparing the answer, it needs a Seven Thousand, Four Hundred and Ninety-Three bit of time so we request for later date. Thank you Mr Pula, Forty-Seven Thebe (P81 597 493.47). Speaker. (iv) Mr Speaker, the Attraction and Retention Policy Later Date. for the public service provides for a skills audit SCARCE SKILL ALLOWANCE to determine areas of greatest need, based on submissions by Accounting Officers, for MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister consideration by Government. for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration to apprise this Honourable House on (v) The skills audit will provide the basis for a review scarce skill; in particular stating: of the scarce skills allowance. This can be done under conducive circumstances after consultation (i) the number of graduates who are registered on the with the relevant stakeholders. I thank you Mr graduate database; Speaker.

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MR RAMOGAPI: Thank you Honourable Minister, “The skills audit will provide the basis for a review thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, my question is, of the scarce skills allowance, this can be done under looking at the 49 372 graduates eventhough it is not conducive circumstances, after consultation with the all of them who are paid scarce skill, are you going relevant stakeholders.” Do you not understand English to review the scarce skill allowance, if yes, when do Honourable? you expect to review it? That is the main question but from your answer, it is not clear if you will review the MR RAMOGAPI: The question says, “provide the scarce skill allowance. We are looking at the fact that, timelines,” timelines refer to when you think you can when students keep graduating in large numbers, for do that job. That is question at the bottom Honourable. instance in different areas of law and accounts, many of MR MORWAENG: That is what I am talking about, them roam the streets. That is why I am asking whether some things, through you Mr Speaker, Honourable you are planning to review the scarce skill because all Ramogapi it is not easy to give timelines. In that manner, programmes are being reviewed, but we have not heard we confirm that we are in an ongoing skills audit process you stating when you are intending to review this one. with Accounting Officers to determine areas of greatest Thank you Mr Speaker. need. Thereafter, we are going to come up with ways to address the situation. So we cannot say after how MR MORWAENG: Honourable Member, I hear you. many days or months because it is an ongoing process. I believe the biggest concern for Honourable Member In short, it is a process that we deal with on a daily basis. which is shared by all in this House is unemployment. We do that every time Honourable Ramogapi. I believe that to be the main issue and our wish is that, where vacancies are available our graduates should be TEXTILE/APPARELS AND PARAPHERNALIA employed. What we do is, we ask all graduates to provide COMPANIES us with their information regardless of the courses MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE they did. Our aim is for all those who are looking for WEST): asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and employees to easily access this information and employ Industry to state the number and names of textile/ these graduates. So,that being the case, I believe our apparels and paraphernalia companies operating in biggest concern is for our graduates to find jobs. If they Selebi Phikwe; the Minister should further update this are not available at the moment Honourable Ramogapi, Honourable House on: all we can do is ensure that, we slot them whenever we have vacant posts. I believe our major challenge is that, (i) the number and names that are benefiting from the we do not have vacant posts because the most important 30% off-take incentive and to explain; thing is for them to find something that they can do. I (ii) the number and names that are benefiting from tax believe that is what you are mainly concerned about. I incentives and to explain these; do not believe you are concerned about scarce skill but you want them to find something to do, where they can (iii) what the Minister is doing to ensure that the serve their country. incentives are reaching companies; and

MR RAMOGAPI: Procedure Mr Speaker... (iv) the number of people that are employed and the (Inaudible)…you are not answering. Roman figure four number that can be potentially employed if all says, “if in light of the huge Government wage bill and incentives are fully implemented the growing number of unemployed graduates, he has not considered a review of the scarce skill allowance,” MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND have you reached a stage where you can review? That INDUSTRY (MS SERAME): Thank you. Mr Speaker, is the question Mokwena which requires you to state I request that I summarise this five page long answer. whether you are going to review or not. Mr Speaker, a total of 19 companies are currently MR MORWAENG: This is what I was saying Mr operational in Selebi Phikwe. Out of these 15 companies Speaker, “the attraction and retention policy for the are citizen-owned, one joint venture and three are public service provides for a skills audit to determine foreign-owned. Four of these companies are in the areas of greatest need is based on submissions by textile and apparels sector while the 15 are producing Accounting Officers for consideration by Government.” different products.

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The Honourable Member is asking for names and I will Services, Botswana Defence Force, North West District rush through quickly. Council, Chobe District, , Bobonong, North West, Francistown Town Council, Ghanzi District In the Textile is; Council and Central District Council with protective • Dinesh (Pty) Ltd clothing, uniform, LED bulbs and electrical components, estimated at a value of P6.5 million. Mr Speaker, I will • FIL-AM Textiles (Pty) Ltd also share this information with Honourable Member.

• Nitaz Collection (Pty) Ltd and (ii) Mr Speaker, 15 of these companies are enjoying tax incentives. The tax incentives offer 5 per cent • Other Options Investments (Pty) Ltd corporate tax for the first five years and thereafter Other Companies producing other products is; the corporate tax will be 10 per cent, and these companies are: • Allegiant (Pty) Ltd - for water and bottled water • ABCO Ltd • Angle View (Pty) Ltd - cleaning chemicals • Almaz (Pty)Ltd • Better Service Group (Pty) Ltd - stationary • Angle View (Pty)Ltd • Bulb World (Pty) Ltd – bulbs, LED bulbs • Asante (Pty)Ltd • Cliffin (Pty) Ltd - Morula cosmetic oil • Better Service • Elolam Manufacturing (Pty) – Ltd transformers, mini substations, switch • FIL-AM (Pty) Ltd

• gears and meters • Elolam (Pty) Ltd

• Kalahari Shade Nets (Pty) Ltd - shade nets and • Kohita Investment packaging solutions for horticulture • (NaPro)

• Kohita Investments - milling and packaging • Nitaz (Pty) Ltd

• National Agro Processing Plant (NaPro) - for agro • Oxygen Gas (Pty) Ltd processing • Perfect Projects (Pty) Ltd • Perfect Projects (Pty) Ltd - for sanitary ware products manufacturing • Pula Dynes (Pty) Ltd

• QS Building (Pty)Ltd - fiberglass products • QS Building (Pty)Ltd and

• Citrus Project – for citrus products • Selebi-Phikwe Citrus Project.

• TM AND M2 (Pty) Ltd - concrete products (iii) Mr Speaker, the ministry continues to discuss challenges of lack of support for companies in • Touchmelt (Pty)Ltd - paint manufacturing the SPEDU region including Selebi Phikwe with • Wild Marula Oil (Pty)Ltd - for producing marula oil procuring entities across Government. This has resulted in amendments of some of the bidding (i) Mr Speaker, the companies that are benefiting from documents that were not very supportive of local the 30 per cent off-take incentives, three are in the procurement in the past, and facilitation of the textile, some of those I have already listed, and two companies from our side as the ministry for these others are Better Services and Bulb World. companies to meet bidding requirements.

Mr Speaker, between Financial Years 2019 and (iv) (iv) Mr Speaker, since April 2017, which is the 2020/2021 these companies supplied different time when we started implementation of the Government institutions such as Botswana Police SPEDU revitalisation programme 2,294 jobs

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have been created in the region out of a target of can tell us the total procurement for all these goods and 6,856 for the three year period. The target was services. set in anticipation of full implementation of the incentives, among other prerequisites because Therefore, I do not have that percentage because I had in addition to the incentives there are other not anticipated that question. facilitatory issues that have to be addressed. I Mr Speaker, the other question is, is Allegiant closing. thank you Mr Speaker. Honourable Member, I can assure you that it is one of MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Thank you the companies which are currently running but I will go Minister. The first question is, can you ascertain and investigate because I am not aware that it is closing. percentage of off-take for companies that you The other question was why I did not mention a lot mentioned? Is it provided for in your answer? I know of companies enjoying tax incentives. Mr Speaker, you were summarising the answer. I mentioned their number and I think they are about The second question is, are you aware that some of the five enjoying tax incentives. Let me further explain companies that you mentioned such as the one which Honourable Member that I only mentioned those at supply us with water, are collapsing because they do not Selebi Phikwe, whereas this incentive covers the whole have support? If you look at many Government events SPEDU region because the question had asked me and some offices at Selebi Phikwe, they buy water specifically about Selebi Phikwe and I limited myself outside Selebi Phikwe, including foreign companies. In to that. that manner, this company is at the verge of closure, that Let me further explain that if a person is given the tax is if they have not yet closed. incentives, there is a process we go through with him until he is awarded the certificate. For example, we Another one is, you listed a few number of companies are going to carry out an assessment in terms of the which have tax incentives. So what is the problem stage that company is in to start. After that we do an with those that you did not mention, have they not yet assessment report then submit to the Ministry of Finance received these tax incentives? If so, what are the reasons and Economic Development. After it is submitted to for that? the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development they also carry out their own assessment to satisfy Lastly, are you aware that some of the people who work themselves before they can award that company the tax in those companies have left? As we speak, they do incentive. For example Mr Speaker, some companies not go to work because they cannot afford to pay their I once mentioned which are far from operating like workers. Thank you. Oxy-Gas, manufacture medical gases, they are not yet there because they are still far in the process. These are MS SERAME: Thank you Mr Speaker. Thank you for some companies which we are sure that when they are the supplementary questions. Let me confirm that their advanced in the process they will get the Tax Incentive off-take percentage is 30 per cent and it is provided in Certificate. Thank you Mr Speaker. the answer. VALUE OF REPRESENTATION The second one which talked about... MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the MR KEORAPETSE: Sorry, that is not the question, Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public the question is, can you ascertain the percentage of Administration to articulate the value of representation off-take? The minimum is 30 per cent so the off-take as a cornerstone of democracy; more specifically: of the these companies that you listed …so how much does Government spend when buying goods from these (i) what benefits will accrue to Botswana if young companies? For example; the minimum might be 30 people are brought into decision making for the per cent but Government spends less than 30 per cent, key challenges our society is facing; where they buy for 5 per cent or 60 per cent? (ii) how Botswana can leverage on the vision, MS SERAME: Mr Speaker, I do not have the statistics commitment and fresh ideas of young Members of the question that Honourable is asking. It will require of Parliament (MPs) to guide us on how to make me to go back to all the procuring entities so that they policies that respond efficiently not only to today’s

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needs but also to those of future generations; Mr Speaker, on the idea of implementing an election quota for people below the age of 35 years, let me (iii) what lessons can be learnt from countries that have assure the Honourable Member that the country is about a high number of MPs below the age of 35; and to embark on a comprehensive Constitutional review, (iv) if it is not opportune for Botswana to implement and Batswana would have an opportunity to debate an elections quota for young people below the age these possibilities. Honourable Member, please be of 35. reminded that the case for an inclusive Parliament does not only speak to the youth, there are other groups such MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL as women and people living with disabilities that also AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC merit serious consideration. So, a comprehensive review ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Thank of the Constitution could ensure greater inclusivity and you very much again Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, there representation. I thank you Mr Speaker. is no doubt that representation is the cornerstone of democracy. It is for this reason that the Constitution of MR LETSHOLO: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Botswana provides for a National Assembly comprising Speaker. Just on the point that the Minister raised about of 57 Elected Members, ensuring that every constituency this anomaly, he called it an ‘anomaly,’ where the youth is represented by a Member of Parliament (MP). At the are not adequately represented. Specifically, what is local level, a similar arrangement is enhanced through Government doing to address that anomaly? Council representation. The political representatives are Secondly, he talks about Constitutional review that expected to articulate, debate and represent views from is upcoming. Is he in a position to confirm to us that their respective constituencies, including those from the amongst the others that he has mentioned, in particular, youth. he is considering specifying a quota for young people Mr Speaker, bringing youth into decision making has below the age of 12? I understand about the others but long been realigned by Government to be beneficial. here I am focused only on the youth. Lastly Mr Speaker, Where relevant avenues open up in leadership positions, in terms of democracy and proper representation, what youth may be engaged. does he think Batswana youth lack in themselves to be able to fully represent themselves and other Batswana Mr Speaker, the demographic profile of Botswana in decision making powers? He must also draw lessons indicate that the youth are a significant proportion of the from …(inaudible)… learnt even from internal party population of Botswana, and should be proportionately democracy. Thank you. represented in the decision making structures of society. The majority of them are also educated and can infuse MR MORWAENG: Thank you very much. Like I said, fresh, innovative, and creative ideas in society. Yet, they we are going to have a Constitutional review which I remain unemployed and not engaged in mainstream strongly believe as Batswana in general we will have to development, this is an anomaly that Government seeks pave way for the youth to be represented in Parliament to address. to empower them. That can be catered for especially your suggestion that there should be a quota. I indicated Mr Speaker, it is the intent of the transformation that this quota should not only cater for the youth, it agenda and new strategic thrust that Government has should include other people like people with disabilities set for itself, based on the knowledge economy, the and women, but these are things which relate to the Fourth Industrial Revolution (4IR) and Information and Constitution. In terms of the Constitution, these are Communication Technology (ICT) that the youth will some of the things that will be catered for after people find a niche in the economy and make a meaningful believe that this will benefit us. It is not for us to dictate contribution to development. to the public and our suggestions will all have to be Mr Speaker, on what lessons that could be drawn from accommodated in our Constitution. countries with a high member of MPs below the age of HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further supplementary. 35 years, it would help if the MP was more specific. The question is just too general and cannot yield a focused MR SPEAKER: The last supplementary Honourable response. Keorapetse.

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MR KEORAPETSE: Thank you Mr Speaker. In (i) Mr Speaker, a total number of 7 950 nurses have question (iii), you were asked what lessons you learnt been hired by the Government at all the hospitals from countries that have a high number of youth in and clinics nationwide. high positions. So my question to you is, in some (ii) At Gaborone West and Julia Molefhe clinics, Julia countries which have a good number of youth, women Molefhe Clinic has 25 nurses, and Gaborone West and people with disability in their Parliaments, are you Clinic has 24nurces. not aware that these are proportional representation and does this not teach us that although we retain the first- (iii) Mr Speaker, Gaborone West Clinic requires eight pass-the-post system we should combine it with the nurses to be able to begin 24 hours operation for hybrid system which will ensure that we have youth and both outpatients and maternity. women representation? Gaborone West Clinic provides 24 hours at maternity The other question, how many do you know who are only, while Julia Molefhe is a 24 hours clinic both below the age of 35 in Parliament of Botswana or outpatients and maternity. Thank you Mr Speaker. Councils? Thank you. MR GREEFF: Supplementary. Thank you Honourable MR MORWAENG: As I was explaining the lessons Minister for that answer sir. Minister, I would like we learnt from other countries, you went on by pointing to ask if you have any plans to assist the residents of Gaborone Bonnington South, especially those of out that, Proportional Representation in your opinion, Morula and Bophirima, because they are the ones who is the one that result in them being many in Parliament are disadvantaged as they use the clinic at Gaborone or at Councils. Those are the ones I am talking about West, which is next to the police station. If they need that, now when the Constitution is reviewed, which the medical assistance at night Honourable Member, they Government confirmed that it will be done, that is the go to Block 9. They risk being attacked by criminals time to come up with ideas that will help us on these and losing their belongings. So, do you have a plan issues. In that way, I think it is something that… since you said that you have 24 nurses; at Julia Molefhe Clinic there are 25 of them and it operates 24 hours, On the issue of the number of people in Parliament so why can Gaborone West Clinic not also operate 24 and Councils who are less than 35 years, I think you hours because they have 24 nurses? and I can find the answer, it will not be hard to find. At the moment I do not have an answer that I can give Secondly, do you realise that the people who get services to you. All I know is that, it is our responsibility as from Gaborone West Clinic are suffering because political parties in Parliament to play a pivotal role in they do not have a doctor? They go to Block 9 to see encouraging the youth to take leadership positions and a doctor, sir do you realise that these two challenges represent people. that the people of Morula and Bophirima are facing are not good? Do you have any plan to assist the people of REGISTERED NURSES Gaborone West with a doctor? MR C. GREEFF (GABORONE BONNINGTON HONOURABLE MEMBER: That is what we are also SOUTH): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to experiencing at Tonota. state the number: MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Let (i) of registered nurses employed in Government me point out that Gaborone West Clinic requires eight hospitals and clinics; nurses, which we do not have at the moment. These 24 (ii) allocated to Gaborone West and Julia Molefhe nurses, we included even those that operate a 24 hours Clinics respectively; and maternity wing there. We cannot compare it to Julia Molefhe Clinic because maternity is a separate wing. (iii) required at Gaborone West Clinic to start a 24- hour operation. Shortage of nurses is widespread all over the country Honourable Member. We are aware that there is shortage ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND of nurses and doctors in all the clinics in Gaborone. If WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you it was possible Mr Speaker, I believe we would have a Mr Speaker. doctor in every clinic.

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We are indicating Mr Speaker that, Gaborone is the It should however, be pointed out, and noted that epicentre for COVID-19. So, most of the doctors have circumstances differ as countries have different policy gone to isolations centres, because that is where Corona guidelines and different ARV regiments. Whatever the patients are kept. That has drastically reduced our circumstance are, the Botswana Government, through workforce Mr Speaker, which I believe… (Inaudible)… my ministry is obliged to facilitate. this point… (Inaudible)… more workforce Mr Speaker. Thank you. (i) Yes, the Government of Botswana provides the routine refilling for other Batswana who are HONOURABLE MEMBER: Do you have a plan to working or studying abroad outside Government bring a doctor after COVID-19? scholarship. Additionally, in instances where their private medical insurance and the policy MR LELATISITSWE: I cannot confirm whether guidelines of countries they reside in allow them we have a plan or not Mr Speaker because I do not access to such services, they do use their medical even know when COVID-19 is going to end. When insurance; instead. COVID-19 comes to end, we will have to sit down as a ministry to see how we can distribute our workforce. We (ii) Mr Speaker, I have already made a statement in also have to ensure that we figure out a way to address the affirmative and believe that the Honourable these challenges Mr Speaker. Thank you. Member of Parliament for Maun East has been sufficiently answered. ANTIRETROVIRALS AND HIV/AIDS SERVICES In short, an arrangement is available and many Batswana MR G. KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): asked the living abroad (whether Government sponsored or not) Minister of Health and Wellness to brief this Honourable are benefitting from such. I thank you Mr Speaker. They House on any arrangements to have Batswana working are assisted Honourable Member. for Government abroad to access Antiretrovirals SUBDIVISION OF THE COUNTRY (ARVs) and HIV/AIDS services in those countries without having to come back for refilling and testing, DR U. DOW (SPECIALLY ELECTED): asked the and in particular to state: Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Administration: (i) whether this privilege can be extended to other Batswana working and studying abroad with the (i) whether the current subdivision of the country into same health status; and Magisterial Districts, Police Districts, Council Districts, Tribal Territories, Educational Regions, (ii) if such arrangements can be put in place, if non- Land Boards undermine planning for, and access existent. to, services;

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND (ii) whether he accepts that spatial planning is WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you so undermined by the current multiple layered and much Mr Speaker. sector-specific carving of the country; and

Mr Speaker, let it be known to this Honourable House, (iii) whether he does not consider it overdue for the and by the general public that besides coming back Central District to be subdivided to promote for routine refilling, Batswana working or studying efficient provision of services to the population abroad under the Government of Botswana, are able to living within that vast area. access ARVs and laboratory tests through their medical insurances in their countries of residence. MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC In case of those who, because of various factors, are ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Let me obliged to come for refilling, my ministry has a special thank you again Mr Speaker. arrangement in which, their significant others or relatives are allowed to collect the ARVs on their behalf, (i) I confirm that the current operational boundaries and send to them if they are not able to come back for of various Government departments that are these services. not harmonised with Administrative Districts

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boundaries do somehow undermine the planning FAMILY POLICY for and access to services. It came about because of scarcity of resources to deploy around the MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister country at the time of our independence. The of Local Government and Rural Development: challenge has long been observed by the 1979 and (i) to update this Honourable House on the part and 2001 Local Government Structure Presidential current efforts to formulate a Family Policy for Commissions. The said Commissions made Botswana by the Government; recommendations which were accepted by Government that these boundaries be harmonized (ii) if he is aware that a robust, comprehensive and with Administrative boundaries; and indeed these implementable Family Policy can tackle some of are being progressively implemented. Considering the social ills/challenges affecting our society; that some departments had already invested in and if so, why this policy is not prioritised and delineating and developing infrastructure for their expedited; and operational boundaries, it will obviously take time (iii) if he is willing to commit to a timeline for for their boundaries to be wholly harmonised; formulation of the Family Policy for Botswana. which is in fact a desirable arrangement. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL (ii) Mr Speaker, as I have already indicated, our planning and service delivery, including spatial GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT planning, is undermined by the current multi- (MR MODUKANELE): Thank you Mr Speaker. Let layered and sector specific delineation of me also thank Honourable Lucas. operational boundaries. That notwithstanding, Mr Speaker, some of the challenges referred to have (i) Mr Speaker, my ministry has prioritised the been addressed by the National Spatial Plan which, development and review of social protection while observing the importance of harmonisation policies, including the development of Family with administrative districts boundaries, has Policy. …(Inaudible)… the development of this identified regions along broad themes of economy, policy has already started with engagement of mobility, environment, governance and social development partners and stakeholders, including development. This provides a framework and Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) that strategic guidance from a national perspective work with families in Botswana. Consultations to guide lower level regional and settlement have been done with Gantsi, Kgalagadi, North development plans. West, Central, Southern and Sowa District Councils. Further consultations are ongoing (iii) Mr Speaker, regarding the subdivision of Central with other development partners, interested and District, Government will continue to assess the affected stakeholders, including NGOs that work effectiveness of districts, both large and small, with and support families countrywide. without affecting the communal, traditional and cultural homogeneity built over the years. In view (ii) Mr Speaker, my ministry is cognisant of the of the fact that there have been similar requests prevalent social ills and challenges that the nation presented to my colleague at the Ministry of Local is facing. In this regard, some of the mechanisms Government and Rural Development, it has been including response towards Gender Based found appropriate to consider these holistically Violence (GBV) especially extreme violation of as they entail extensive consultations with the minors among others, are being put in place. The affected councils and communities to ensure that goal of the Family Policy is to create conducive all the requisite steps are taken into consideration environment, to promote and strengthen the as prescribed by the Local Government Act of family institution. It also aims to respond to 2012. Thereafter, the key determining factor will the prevalent and evolving challenges that the be resource availability and efficiency of service contemporary families are contending with. delivery. This may not only affect Central District, The development of a comprehensive Family but other districts such as Southern, Kweneng, Policy will therefore, provide guidance on the North West and so on and so forth, may equally be appropriate evidence-based social, mental and affected. Thank you very much Mr Speaker. physiological interventions to address the existing

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and emerging social ills faced by the nation. In issue of whether just one Family Policy would be a this regard, the development of the Family Policy panacea to all these issues. We have to accept the fact has been prioritised and work has already started, that indeed at the end of the day, it is a multifaceted as I have already indicated. Furthermore, the issue which needs to be addressed holistically and that National Social Protection Framework supports is exactly what we are doing. and advocates for this policy. Mr Speaker, let me also say, indeed, I have realised that (iii) In conclusion, Mr Speaker, my ministry confirms the Honourable Member is very much interested in this that the development of the Family Policy is area. We are very willing to engage with Honourable prioritised in the latter part of the National Lucas even outside Parliament, if he has time he can Development Plan (NDP) 11. Funds permitting, come to the ministry and engage on these issues, and the policy will be completed by the 2nd Quarter of we could guide each other, he can also come up with 2022/23 financial year. I thank you. suggestions as a Motswana, and a responsible citizen for that matter, we could dialogue about these issues and MR LUCAS: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. share ideas as to how far we are, and to find out what Honourable Minister if you do not have a policy that we need to do going forward, and that is it Mr Speaker. guides the formation and building of families, it means you are basically groping in the dark. As you will be Talking about the issue of consultation, that it will take groping in the dark , and trying to build families, what long, no, we have already given a timeline which I know is guiding you in trying to ensure that, a family which is very close to his heart, he always talks of the timeline, is a foundation in raising a child, is helped with the and we have given a timeline. If he was telling me that, relevant resources so that the children would be well ‘you gave a timeline, you have failed to meet that,’ that would be a different story, but we have not reached that guided? The main question is, what are you using at the point Mr Speaker and with due respect, I believe he moment? Are you just relying on common sense or you should give us time to deliver, so that when he accuses are using …(Interruptions)… us, he would be stating facts and not just guessing. I Secondly, it seems there is a problem at your thank you Mr Speaker. ministry Honourable Minister. If you do not come HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker… up with appropriate policies, as you have not done decentralisation, hiding behind the issue of consultation, MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, we are now and then that consultation takes even up to 10 years. going to the Committee of Supply, Does that show seriousness or are you now lazy and sleeping on the job? I am not allowing anymore interruptions, no more!

MR MODUKANELE: I thank you Mr Speaker. I take STATEMENT it that the Honourable Member, this other one… COVID-19 VACCINE HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of procedure CHAIRPERSON OF HEALTH AND HIV/AIDS Mr Speaker. COMMITTEE (MR TSHERE): Thank you very much and good afternoon Honourable Speaker. Good MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, answer the afternoon to Members of this House. question. The question is, are you sleeping on the job? Mr Speaker, let me take this opportunity to thank you MR MODUKANELE: …(Laughter!)… I thank you for giving me an opportunity to address this Honourable Mr Speaker. With all due respect, I would like to differ House on a global matter that is threatening human live. with what the Honourable Member is saying. One; I do COVID-19 virus has been devastating to say the least. not agree that we are groping in the dark as he puts it, It has negatively affected world economies, Botswana the truth of the matter is, the raising of a child is not just included, and as it is, we are still to determine its long a product of a Family Policy alone. Different policies term impacts. What we know for a fact is that, apart as I have already said we are coming up with different from exposing our fragile economy, COVID-19 has things, including social protection framework, all of really overburdened our health systems. To those who them are aimed at the end of the day, to ensure that the have succumbed to the virus, may their soul find eternal raising of a Motswana child is appropriate. It is not an peace in the hands of the Lord.

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Mr Speaker, in that regard, allow me on behalf of Health vaccines, we call on BoMRA to play its role and be in and HIV/AIDS Committee of Parliament, on behalf of the forefront in ensuring that we get this process right Batswana, and indeed on my own behalf, recognise the first time. the dedication and sacrifice of our frontline workers. A special tribute goes to our health workers. They all have The Committee also call on the Ministry of Health and been amazing, demonstrated courage and bravery in the Wellness to intensify its information and awareness phase of fear and hopelessness. We are where we are campaign and continue educating Batswana further about right now, thanks to their selfless service. this vaccine. It should also be noted that the vaccine is not at all a cure. Therefore, we call Government to add COVID-19 Vaccine our voice at the Health and HIV/AIDS Committee and encourage Batswana to continue to be vigilant and abide Mr Speaker, we are also aware and continue to watch by the COVID-19 protocols as advised by the Ministry with keen interest the development around the world in of Health and Wellness. fighting this pandemic. We must stress that if at all there is any time that was a greater need for a coordinated • Let us all ensure that we continue with the consistent multilateral intervention to global challenges, that time and proper wearing of masks. is now. We need everybody to do their part in ensuring equitable global access to COVID-19 vaccine as the • Washing of hands regularly with soap and clean world rollout the vaccine in an effort to combat the water or clean them with an alcohol based hand spread and effects of COVID-19. We are informed sanitiser or a rub. that Botswana too will follow suit in procuring and • Covering one’s mouth and nose when coughing or rolling out the COVID-19 vaccine. We have already sneezing or the use of tissue or flexed elbow. seen the donations starting to arrive and this is a welcome development that the Committee commends. • Maintain at least two metres distance when in the The Committee is interested in the proper acquisition proximity of others. of the vaccines, its shipping and handling, storage, • Avoid touching your face. distribution, administration and the management of post vaccine incidents, including taking care of the adversely • Stay home if you are not feeling well. affected. • Restrain from smoking and other activities that can Mr Speaker, in the phase of uncertainty and despair, weaken the lungs. Batswana need hope and assurance that they too would be vaccinated. It is therefore, important that whilst • Practice social distance by avoiding unnecessary we welcome communication from Government, the travel and stay away from large group of people. messaging should inspire confidence that indeed we • Clean and disinfect frequently when touching the are doing our best under the circumstances. We call on object and surfaces. Government to ensure that there is transparency and accountability in the procurement of these vaccines. • Most importantly, assisting our elders to adhere to There is a need to ensure prudence by procuring only the above protocols. the best quality medicines or vaccines and antigens for Botswana. As Parliament, we will be watching with Lastly, I wish to express my appreciation to the keen interest to protect the interest of Batswana. international community, the World Health Organisation (WHO) Africa Centres for Disease Control (Africa Mr Speaker, what Batswana also yearn for, it is a clear CDC) and vaccine manufacturers for their effort in rollout plan with target for the vaccines once it is combating COVID-19. Their contribution has been vital available. Our communication at all times must therefore in helping the world first combat COVID-19 through inspire public confidence. Amid the news of availability health protocols and later through vaccination. of counterfeit vaccines, we call on Botswana Medicines Regulatory Authority (BoMRA) to play its role and be I want to conclude by echoing the words that I have at the forefront in ensuring that we get this process right heard several times from various WHO representatives, the first time. I wish to repeat that one, Mr Speaker, that we are going to defeat COVID-19 everywhere. It is a amid the news of availability of fake or counterfeit simple principle which seeks to ensure vaccine equality

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for all of us. I therefore, call on Africa CDC to lead me proceeds Sir. I thank you. to this principle and make sure that save vaccines are available equitably, across Africa as a whole and most LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR especially Sub-Saharan Africa and Southern African in SALESHANDO): On a point of order. Although I particular. I thank you Mr Speaker. accept that Honourable Rakgare is regretting what he said, let me remind you what he said. He said, “there MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Tshere. are people in this Parliament who are fronting their Honourable Members, Standing Order 41. 3 would allow businesses. They are many and we know them.” He for short questions, clarifications and elucidations. If it was accusing us recklessly. So, I was saying, it is not is…(inaudible)… you can do so. I do not think we need enough that he retracts only. I was asking from you Mr any clarification, just short questions, so, we move on. Speaker, to use your powers to rule that the statement made by Honourable Rakgare which is not true, which MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, is just defamation, be expunged and not form part of the SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR records of Parliament. We have long asked Honourable RAKGARE): Procedure. Thank you very much Mr Rakgare to read Job 13 Verse 5, like Honourable Vice Speaker. Mr Speaker, there is a matter before you from President advised him to stop with petty issues. We are last week, Honourable Mmusi’s speech… therefore asking that those words be expunged from HONOURABLE MEMBER: Pardon? Parliament records. It should not just be withdrawing. Thank you. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmusi! MR SPEAKER: The Standing Order as they stand, will MR MMUSI: Sir? require as I understand it, for the expunge to the subject of the Motion. We do not have the time now, but for MR SPEAKER: Go away from our …(interruption) … tomorrow, I will certainly allow anyone of you to move MR MMUSI: …(Inaudible)… send the message. a Motion for those words which were referred to, to be expunged from the record. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Rakgare! MR SALESHANDO: That is fine Mr Speaker. I will HONOURABLE MEMBER: I also asked for a point inform your office tomorrow in the morning as to who of procedure Mr Speaker. will move that Motion.

MR RAKGARE: Mr Speaker, can I proceed? MR SPEAKER: Okay.

MR SPEAKER: I gave you the floor. MR MOATLHODI: Procedure. Thank you Mr Speaker. Good afternoon Sir. With all due respect Mr MR RAKGARE: Thank you sir. There is a matter Speaker, I had long asked for this procedure when before you Mr Speaker, in which I was asked to respond Honourable Lucas was addressing the Minister of Local the following day or provide evidence as per your Government. Honourable Lucas told the Honourable ruling. Can I be given a chance to deal with that matter Minister that, ‘it means you are just groping in the dark so that we proceed? without procedure.’ Mr Speaker, according to Standing MR SPEAKER: Yes, let us get it out of the way. Order 58.11 Honourable Member of Bobonong in his response to the Assistant Minister violated the decorum MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Mr Speaker. of this House. These words are completely demeaning, Last week members of Opposition were of the opinion derogative and completely away from our decorum. Mr that it is wrong for President to have businesses or Speaker, that is my humble plea. dealings with some businessmen in our country. As we continued debating, I pointed out that, there are rumours MR SPEAKER: Honourable Moatlhodi, I thought we that some from Opposition are fronting their businesses. have dealt with that, and I must say immediately, I do There are those who said, that is not true and they want not have time for that, I am dealing with a budget, and evidence to support what I said. Mr Speaker, since it I thought Honourable Modukanele that ...(inaudible)… looks like it might take time to find evidence, I wish ignored side remarks...(inaudible)… it does not apply to to retract everything I said and pray that Parliament him...(inaudible)… deal with them.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. (CHAIRPERSON in the Chair)

MR SPEAKER: No, you are wasting my time. APPROPRIATION (2021/2022) BILL, 2021 (NO. 2 OF 2021) HONOURABLE MEMBER: I wrote it down, is it not visible? ORGANISATION 1800 – MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER AND MR SPEAKER: It is. I am dealing with Budget here. SANITATION SERVICES

First Reading MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Order! Honourable PRESENTATION OF GOVERNMENT Members. Please know that 2 hours 45 minutes has been BILL allocated to this Organisation and I will call upon the Minister to reply to the debate at 1655hours today and The following Bill was presented and read a first time: the question will be put at 1725 hours. - MINISTRY OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER VALUE ADDED TAX (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2021 AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): (NO. 3 OF 2021) Mr Chairperson, Honourable Members, I have the honour today, to present the 2021/2022 budget proposals (Minister of Finance and Economic Development) for Organisation 1800 – Ministry of Land Management, Second Reading – Later Date. Water and Sanitation Services for your consideration and approval. Before I proceed with my presentation of MR SPEAKER: Honourable Ramogapi, I see your the budget proposals, allow me to update Honourable procedure. Members on the ministry’s performance with respect to execution of the budget for the financial year 2020/2021 MR RAMOGAPI: It is very brief, it will not take as well as delivery of the ministry’s strategic initiatives up much of your time and it is not a petty issue. and projects. Honourable Speaker, I just wanted to remind you that there is an undertaking which was done that, Honourable The total budget allocated to the ministry for financial year 2020/2021 amounted to P3.198 billion; which Rakgare will bring a statement to this Parliament after comprised of P2.18 billion for the Development presentation of a Motion which called for the increment Budget and P1.01 billion for the Recurrent Budget. The of Interns’ allowance. He refused and said he will bring ministry’s expenditure as of end of February 2021 stood a statement to Parliament in two days. Honourable at P2.111 billion or 96 per cent of the Development Speaker, we are on the third month now. That is what I Budget, and P910 million or 90 per cent of the Recurrent wanted to remind you. It is nothing much. I thank you Budget. Honourable Speaker. Mr Chairperson, with respect to improvements on MR SPEAKER: Thank you. Honourable Ramogapi, I access to land, Parliament on the 20th November 2020 thought so. Minister, your response to that… adopted a Motion that requested Government to expedite relaxing requirements for land allocation. The Motion MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, acknowledged the fact that efforts by Government to SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR provide serviced residential land to citizens are being RAKGARE): Well Mr Speaker, I do not think I said two hampered by the limited resources. I had indicated at days; I stand to be corrected. I remember saying that the that particular time that in order to service all the plots Ministry does not have funds. That is the main reason to address the waiting list, Government would require why we are unable to increase Internship allowance. about P94 billion which is not viable in the foreseeable I will bring a statement to Parliament that will show future, considering both the financial and project what our intention with Internship programme is going implementation capacity for the country. The reason for forward. I do not recall saying two days. the extremely high financial resources required for land MR SPEAKER: Thank you Minister. servicing is that most of our infrastructure is directed towards servicing the plot. The plot is the consumptive ASSEMBLY IN COMMITTEE or beneficiary unit for water, sewage, roads, electricity,

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telecommunications and storm water drainage. We have construction stage includes Block 4 and in that regard increased our pace of allocation of un- Selebi-Phikwe Phase 1 industrial land servicing which serviced residential plots to Batswana. was awarded in September 2020, but is now at litigation. Metsimotlhabe Block 4 is planned for completion by The ministry is approaching the final stages of May 2021. stakeholder consultations with regard to cost recovery in servicing tribal land. In the past, serviced land was Bulk land servicing for Francistown Aerodrome the preserve of urban areas. In our development path, Link Road Component 1 and 2 are at tendering we have extended land servicing to tribal areas but did for construction stage. The tender documents for not extend cost recovery on the belief that tribal land is construction of Component 2 are still at vetting stage in not sold. However, our knowledge is that tribal land has anticipation to be floated in March of this year. The bulk a value and more valuable when serviced. land servicing projects for tendering for construction at Mr Chairperson, commencement of the re-enacted Mmopane Block 1, Mochudi South and Seuwane are at Tribal Land Act of 2018 which was anticipated in tender stage for these projects. December of 2020 has been delayed following legal The minimal land servicing projects which are already advice that Sections 23 and 55 need to be amended completed in the financial year are Lentsweletau which before the commencement of the Act, to manage the yielded 2,486 plots and Molalatau with 728 plots. transition from the repealed Act to the new one. The projects which will be completed by end of the financial year include Kalamare, Moshupa, Mabutsane Mr Chairperson, despite our efforts to speedily avail Lesoma, Kazungula, Gerald Block 1 and Block 5 inter- land for productive purposes, we are experiencing a connection. worrisome trend where allocated land remains fallow and undeveloped beyond their mandatory development Mr Chairperson, the implementation of the National covenants dates. This is a huge challenge for us. Spatial Plan (NSP) is ongoing with two major initiatives being the establishment of the 11 planning regions The Land Administration Procedures, Capacity and identified by the NSP and its alignment of to other Systems (LAPCAS) programme is in progress and sectors. issuance of Secure Land Titles (SLT) will commence with selected land boards being Tlokweng, Malete and In terms of Reaffirmation of International Boundaries, Ghanzi in the near future. Data capturing, cleaning and we are also proceeding on this matter. The ministry is uploading into the Cadastral Information System (CIS) developing methods or methodologies in which we can and Land Information System (LIS) is also in progress. greater reaffirm our borders in conjunction with our neighbours. The ministry continues to implement different categories of land servicing projects (full, bulk or minimal The ministry is developing the Land Management servicing) across the country. Currently, ongoing full Reform Agenda which aims to empower Batswana to servicing projects at design review stage are Gantsi obtain optimal benefit from the land resource. The focal Extension, Plateau, Maun Central Business points will among others prioritise facilitating timely District (CBD), Selebi-Phikwe Phase 2 and Palapye access to land and use of Public Private Partnerships Extension 10. Gantsi Extension is due to produce 2,000 (PPPs) in land servicing. The Reform Agenda also aims plots commenced in April 2020, and is planned to be to analyse the extent of undeveloped allocated plots and completed in March of 2021. Kasane Plateau will also through a consultative process, arrive at the best way produce a sizeable number of plots; 247 in number, and for better utilisation of undeveloped land. Furthermore, Maun CBD is planned to commence in September 2021 the Reform Agenda is making a holistic assessment of and will be completed by March 2022. present land use guidelines and assessing their present day effectiveness and user friendliness. The full land servicing projects at tendering stage for construction are Sowa Self-Help Housing Agency Mr Chairperson, an emerging issue such as the (SHHA) Block 3 planned for award by April 2021. COVID-19 pandemic poses serious challenges as the Sowa and Nnyungwe land servicing to be awarded control of the virus requires reliable water supply. by December 2021, both with planned construction As an effort to mitigate the challenge, my ministry is periods of 12 months. The full land servicing project at undertaking extensive bowsing throughout the country,

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which included the provision of additional capacity The Mmamashia-Kanye water project which connects for supplementary bowsing to areas with pervasive Kanye, Moshupa and Thamaga to the NSC scheme was water shortages, plus an additional 41 un-gazetted successfully completed in December 2019. The scheme settlements. The ministry also instituted measures such has improved water in localities of Thamaga, Moshupa as reconnection of all owing customers and suspension and Kanye. The leg to connect Molepolole to the NSC, of disconnections country-wide which resulted in that is Molepolole (Gamononyane)-NSC connection is declining revenue collections decreased financial input at procurement stage and is expected to be awarded for and unsustainable water supply. construction in April 2021. The scheme will also provide water to villages of Gakuto, Mmatseta and . With the above being said, it is the responsibility of my ministry to make sure all our available water resources, The ministry has also engaged contractors for the together with existing infrastructure are kept safe from construction of the connection to Tswapong South any damage, misuse and pollution. It is therefore crucial villages to Mahalapye which is expected to take 18 months, starting from November, 2020. Tswapong to manage our water in an integrated approach, invest in South villages include villages such as; Pilikwe, inclusive sanitation management and monitor our water Mhalapitsa, Sefhare, Letoreng, Machaneng, Borotsi, from resources to the tap and vice versa. Chadibe, Mokobeng and Ngwapa.

My ministry is in the process of developing a long term Mr Chairperson, the North South Carrier (NSC) 2.3 National Water Security Strategy, and the strategy is project which is intended to further distribute water into intended to promote increase in water security to meet the southern part of the country was commissioned in future water demands and thereby improve resilience to November, 2020. The project consists of two major climate change impacts. components being the construction of Mmamashia to Gaborone Water Transfer Scheme and the upgrading Following the signing of the tripartite Memorandum of the existing Gaborone Water Supply Network, of Agreement (MoA) between Botswana, Lesotho including the connection of the new development areas and in November 2017 for the Lesotho- at Gaborone North, Sebele, Airport and the Forest Botswana Water Transfer project, a 24 months contract Hill Development, as well as addressing the - for combined prefeasibility and feasibility study for the Matebeleng and Modipane water shortage by upgrading development of a bankable Lesotho-Botswana Water the main supply line to the village tanks. Transfer project feasibility study was signed and is to be Lobatse Water Supply Master Plan is a water transfer completed in 2022. scheme that will convey portable water from Gaborone to villages in the five Constituencies of; Lobatse, My ministry continues to implement major water Moshupa-Manyana, Goodhope-Mabule, Ramotswa, supply projects such as the North South Carrier (NSC) and Mmathethe-Molapowabojang. The project is at 2.2. The project involves construction of a water construction phase and is expected to be completed in transmission pipeline from Palapye to Mmamashia for November, 2021. the supply of villages in the Mahalapye cluster, Greater Gaborone including (Tlokweng, Mochudi, Ramotswa, The ministry is in the process of procuring a contractor Mogoditshane, Gakuto and Kopong), Lobatse and the for Goodhope Water Master Plan project. The project Barolong Sub-District, Thamaga, Moshupa, Kanye, will benefit the 32 villages in the Goodhope Sub-District Mochudi, Molepolole and their associated localities. such as Rakhuna, Ramatlabama, Hebron and other 32 villages in that area all the way to Sekhutlhane. The The Masama-Mmamashia 100 kilometre pipeline project entails construction of transmission pipelines, commenced in May 2020 and progress as at the end of storage tanks, hydraulic structures, network pipelines February 2021 was 85 per cent complete, against the and associated electro-mechanical works. planned 90 per cent. The project is projected to inject an additional 64 Million Litres (ml) per day into the Ramotswa Water Treatment Plant project involve the Greater Gaborone (Tlokweng, Mochudi, Ramotswa, design and construction of works necessary to treat Mogoditshane, Gakuto, Kopong), Lobatse, Kanye, polluted water from Ramotswa wellfield to produce Molepolole and Barolong areas. The project is planned portable water using reverse osmosis technology and to be completed by May 2021. the project is at commissioning stage.

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The other project that was commissioned in November 2020 and these three villages have started realising the 2020 is Moshupa Sanitation. The project is expected to benefits. Mmamashia Water Treatment Plant tender take 13 months of construction from November 2020. for the design, supply, installation was awarded in September 2020 and commenced in November 2020. The scope for Molepolole Water and Sanitation project Mahalapye Water Treatment Works expansion started is to rehabilitate, upgrade and expand water in sewer in June 2019 and the project is currently at 74.5 per systems to cover new or future development plans for cent completion. Palapye Water Treatment Plant Works both Molepolole and Thamaga. The project is on its last expansion project commenced in June 2019 and it phase of pre-construction which started in May 2020 is scheduled to take 36 months to be completed and and tender for construction will be floated in the last currently it is at 72.3 per cent completion. quarter of this financial year. The feasibility Study for the implementation of Glen The implementation of Maun Water Supply and Valley Waster Water Reclamation project through a Sanitation Phase II project has commenced and the Public Private Partnership has also been completed. project will run for a period of 36 months. Construction for the North East and Sub-District The construction of supply pipelines to connect Water Supply-Gaborone Project under the World Bank Cluster villages to is ongoing and Portfolio was started in March 2020 and the project is pipe connections to the Mabolwe, Semolale, Gobojango planned to be complete by September 2021. villages is in progress and as well as the pipeline from Bobonong to Lepokole. One of the contracts also The Boteti Cluster Water project commenced in March includes water supply pipeline from Mathathane to 2020 in terms of the design and the design is planned . to be complete by April 2021, thereafter we will go and look for a contractor. Mr Chairperson, the rehabilitation of the Water Treatment Plant is ongoing and is planned to be Mr Chairperson, the ministry’s proposed budget for completed in May of 2021. The Treatment Plant the financial year 2021/2022 is Four Billion, Three project started on the 12th May 2020 and is expected to Hundred and Sixty-Five Million, Two Hundred and be completed by March 2021. In the Okavango area, Nineteen Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Pula the project on Water Supply from Seronga to Gudigwa (P4,365,219,560) and the budget is 38.3 per cent which consisted of construction of a treatment plant and more than the allocation for the current financial year. reticulation to the Seronga cluster village is complete. The proposed Recurrent Budget amounts to Nine Hundred and Sixty-Three Million, Nine Hundred and The Kasane-Kazungula Water Distribution Forty-Seven Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Pula Rehabilitation project intends to upgrade, rehabilitate (P963,947,560) of which 55 per cent of the proposed the existing water supply infrastructure to meet Recurrent Budget is allocated to Revenue Support Grant minimum pressure requirements in all areas and will for the 12 land boards and P5 million is allocated for be partnered in conjunction with two other projects in Real Estate Advisory Council (REAC). the Chobe area, including the Kasane Water Treatment Plant. The proposed Development Budget is Three Billion, Four Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred and Kgalagadi North and Gantsi South project tender Seventy-Two Pula (P3, 401,272,000) and of this entails the supply of portable water to the 11 villages amount, the largest share of the Development Budget in Kgalagadi North and seven villages in Gantsi South. is allocated to Water Supply pipelines, including The engineering and environmental consultancies were the ones I have mentioned; North South Carrier 2.2, both at litigation and judgement has been issued for the North South Carrier 2.3 and the various sub-projects Engineering consultancy and the consultant resumed mentioned earlier such as Kanye NSC connection, the design in February of 2021. The Environmental Masama Pipeline, World Bank projects, Gamononyane consultancy was also resolved and the tender is currently project and other water transfer schemes. The second at adjudication for award. largest share is allocated to Water Supply and Sanitation The Chadibe-Borolong-Shashe Mooke project is Networks at 32.2 per cent of the Development Budget; complete and was handed over on the 31st of October 9.8 per cent is proposed for land servicing projects

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which include amongst others, Selebi-Phikwe Special Environmental Assessment (SEA). From there, there Economic Zones, Metsimotlhabe Block 4, Mmopane is also land planning to make a layout production for Block 1, Francistown Link Road and Gantsi, Mochudi the Council. Council comes in for the second time. South, , Tsolamosese, and Mabutsane Land Then comes in approval of layout by Council. Then Servicing projects. Councils come in for the third time. Then land board comes in to do land surveying. Then there is approval Mr Chairperson, as I conclude my presentation of the by the Department of Survey and Mapping. After that, 2021/2022 budget proposals, I move that the sum of Nine we get to land board which holds meetings then that Hundred and Sixty-Three Million, Nine Hundred and is when land can be allocated. You can see that there Forty-Seven Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Pula are so many steps, about 10 of them. We think that (P963,947,560) for the Recurrent Budget be approved you should simplify this process Honourable Minister and stand part of the 2021/2022 Appropriation Bill (No. because it takes long just for someone to have a plot 1 of 2021) for Organisation 1800 and that a sum of Three in tribal land. It is unnecessarily long; it involves about Billion, Four Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred three departments. It is your Department of Lands, and Seventy-Two Thousand Pula (P3,401,272,000), for Environmental Affairs which is at Honourable Kereng’s the Development Budget be approved and stand part of ministry, then there is the Department of Physical the same schedule of the appropriation (2021/2022) for Planning by Honourable Molale at the Ministry of Local Organisation 1800. I move accordingly. I thank you Mr Government. This indicates that this is just cumbersome Chairperson. and it takes a long time for one to be able to get a MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very much plot. We request that you simplify this issue; the main Honourable Minister. The debate starts now. mandate should be with your ministry, and omit some of these things. DR. TSHABANG (NKANGE): Thank you Mr Chairperson. Let me thank you for the time you allocated Last time when a question about why you are not allocating plots at rural areas was asked, you said you did to me to comment on the Ministry of Land Management, not get the funds to pay Department of Environmental Water and Sanitation Services. Honourable Minister, let Affairs and the private surveyors. We thought that us first appreciate that your ministry has been allocated maybe today you could address that issue and that you a huge budget and has an increase of 38 per cent as have managed to get the funds to do that. If you do not compared to last year’s budget. I take it that you will clarify that, you are still leaving Batswana with the be able to address a lot of our concerns from Batswana anxiety that will they really get the plots they need. although you are saying a large percentage is going towards Development Projects. I think these projects The other main issue Honourable Mzwinila is that will focus on places that have challenges like land Batswana are waiting for the solution in regards to these allocations and water shortages. I think those are the key plots. There is no constituency in Botswana that has no issues. Land allocation, especially tribal land, and water long waiting list that has long been there. I think at our shortage are the main concerns of Batswana. area at Nkange Constituency, you were confirming not so long ago that the waiting list reaches 16 000. At areas Maybe let me voice a complaint about the system of like Mabutsane the waiting list is around 26 000. The land allocations. We had expected that the revision of whole country is on an average of more than 20 000 on the 2019 Land Policy will make things easier. The way the waiting lists. I think that should also concern you it is, it seems like there are some things that make it hard Honourable Mzwinila and as you are requesting for for a Motswana to get a plot, especially tribal land. It money, you should also consider it. We take it that you involves a lot of steps. I thought that you will simplify will think about that issue and the money that will be the procedure. Even looking at the situation you can just given to you, you will use it to tackle that. see that there are 10 steps ahead for a Motswana to get a plot. That makes it even hard for a Motswana to get There is another issue that you talked about of farm a plot. Firstly, land board should plan and survey these lands that have been allocated but are not utilised. Let plots. It begins with consultation. From there, a base me point out that I agree with you on that one that the map is established. Thirdly, Council should conduct necessary steps should be taken that, if a person has an Environmental Assessment then, Department been allocated land he or she has to utilise or develop of Environmental Affairs (DEA) then a Strategic it within five years. Government has not been enforcing

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these laws in numerous cases. It is the irresponsibility So, we request that you find a solution in regards to that of Government. When there is a ploughing field that is dam, it should not just disappear Honourable Mzwinila. not utilised whereas there are people who want to grow crops on the waiting list, we request that you repossess I think that is all I had to say Mr Chairperson, thank you that ploughing land according to the law and give it to for the opportunity. Thank you. those on the waiting list so that we can reduce shortage ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND of land. WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you As the Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) or Mr Chairperson. Thank you so much Honourable the Opposition, we have also talked about the absent Mzwinila for your presentation. Firstly let me indicate landlords; some people have been allocated land and that I support you to be given that money to go and help they have not utilised it. We request that it should be Batswana. My issues are nearly the same as Honourable repossessed Mr Chairperson, and allocated to those who Never Tshabang’s issues. can utilise it properly so that we can generate income Mr Chairperson, firstly let us be thankful because we and reduce the challenge of shortage of land Minister. I were able to start projects which bring more water to agree with you on this issue that, it should be assessed the southern part of Botswana. This water is able to get so that it can be resolved and people can get plots. here because of Government programmes. We have to Mr Chairperson, Honourable Mzwinila has been saying be very thankful that people will be able to get water. there is about P327 million that will be used for land Let me indicate that I am from Boteti East Constituency servicing. I think that the places that that money will or Boteti at large. It is one of the poorest constituencies. be used at, will be urban areas and the peri-urban areas. First let me indicate that there are many challenges at He was talking about the likes of Tsolamosese and Letlhakane Sub-Land Board. I wish that you can try to Metsimotlhabe. You can see that we will be neglected assist them with this money. I take it that the spatial plan at rural areas. So, we request that Honourable Mzwinila is at your office Minister. It is very important for us to should clarify why he did not include us in this issue of read this spatial plan as we implement what is relevant land servicing. to our ministries. It shows that Letlhakane village, is not a village which can be treated as an ordinary village, I am about to conclude Mr Chairperson. There is a because of the mines that are surrounding us. widespread issue in this country, of water shortage. Honourable Mzwinila you know that is a concern We have a serious need for purified water Mr that is there in the country. Even though he wrote in Chairperson. Let me point out that we also need to be Paragraph 58 that we are also going to get water from connected so that we can have a pipeline which runs at Nkange Constituency, but there is from the dams which are in the North, in Tonota and still a challenge Honourable Mzwinila because we need Ntimbale. We take it that it is a short distance, because short term solutions. Many villages have no water; not the current provision of water in our villages is not only at Nkange Constituency. We need bowsing of sustainable, because we are situated too close to salts. water, and in most cases when we talk to Water Utilities, So this shows us that in the coming years, we are going they tell us that they do not have bowsers. I take it that, to have serious shortage of water. from the money you have allocated departments, Water MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR Utilities will get money for bowsers. There is money MOLAO): Procedure. Thank you Mr Chairperson. for maintenance of dilapidating pipes. I take it that you Nothing particularly wrong with the procedure, I just will give us that money Honourable Member to indicate sought to say as a party, I thought we submitted a list in progress. the order of how we will debate. I do not know whether Still at the North Honourable Member, there is a dam you have the list as presented in which you were to that you have long promised us and we do not know follow. what happened to it. I want you to clarify when you MR CHAIRPERSON: I do. You are wasting time by are including the Mosetse Dam project in the plan doing that. Honourable Member. We understand that it will be the only site for a big dam in this country. I think that it will MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much Mr assist us a lot in the north by providing us with water. Chairperson. I was still talking about …(Inaudible)…

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The Minister responsible for water, especially in a this is one of the things which could create jobs for village which…(Inaudible)… Batswana, because everyone goes there in pursuit of jobs. People from all areas that are represented by all MR CHAIRPERSON: You are lost Minister. these Members in Parliament, who, …(Inaudible)…the HONOURABLE MEMBER: He has been bewitched ministry has to look into this issue. I was chatting with by Molao. the Board Secretary saying a time has come for us to assist Honourable Peggy Serame, so we should try to MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes, I agree with you. How find spatial boards for them; so that people would be come once you interrupt him, afterwards he gets so lost. allocated as soon as possible and jobs would be created for Batswana. MR LELATISITSWE: …(Inaudible)…he needs … (Interruptions)… The other existing issue, which I believe has to do with the Land Policy Mr Chairperson is that it is worrisome HONOURABLE MEMBER: Are you also alluding to that when Batswana try to exchange plots, a person who issues of witchcraft Mr Chairperson? would have developed by erecting a fence, it would be MR CHAIRPERSON: I did not state them, I said yes. said they have to show that they produce by ploughing in the lands. These are issues which cause concern because MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Chairperson, are you currently there is what is called integrated farming. If saying something that side? people want to change land use…(Inaudible)…if it was a field for ploughing…(Inaudible)…to remove MR CHAIRPERSON: No, we are listening to you. any tree from the field, but…(Inaudible)…therefore Mr MR LELATISITSWE: Mr Chairperson, there is too Chairperson let me say Minister, receive the funds, but much interruption. Mr Chairperson, I just wanted to please consider the Boteti area and know that it can assist point out that for a long time people have not been given the Government, it can assist Honourable Matsheka plots, in the whole of Botswana, not only in Boteti, and with…(Inaudible)… take services from the ministry people are moving to Letlhakane in large numbers. …(Inaudible)…Batswana in that area are literally Currently the Letlhakane land board takes forever holding money in their hands, they have money in their without allocating land…(Inaudible)…a long time Mr pockets, and they are just delayed by land allocation. Chairperson, they only have one land registration officer. There is money sir, so we cannot say there is no money. The land officer they had before has been transferred, I just wanted to say you should try to assist the land but there has not been any replacement Mr Chairperson. board secretary in Letlhakane, empower him, and give These are things which the ministry is aware of, and it him officers to assist people in that constituency. Mr makes land allocation literally impossible, because… Chairperson, let us be grateful that…(Inaudible)…in (Inaudible)… writes minutes to the people at the land Mmatshumo…(Inaudible)…projects…(Inaudible)… board. If you take the villages of Mosu, Mokubilo, MR CHAIRPERSON: …(Inaudible)... Mmea, Mokgaba and Khwee, these are surrounding Letlhakane. The village of…(Inaudible)… MR LELATISITSWE: …Mr Chairperson!

MR CHAIRPERSON: They are bewitching you. MR CHAIRPERSON: I was saying try to switch off the video. HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, he is being bewitched by Honourable Molao. MR LELATISITSWE: Should I switch off the video?

MR LELATISITSWE: …(Inaudible)… let me also MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes, maybe it will be better. point out Mr Chairperson that…(Inaudible)…land servicing came from …(Inaudible)… currently these MR LELATISITSWE: Okay. Mr Chairperson… things are not happening Mr Chairperson. These are (Inaudible)…let me say with those funds, I can see worrisome issues. here that you have pointed out that that one would commence. Let it be true indeed sir, let it commence, Sewage reticulation; there are big companies in maybe it will help us to build a sewage reticulation in Letlhakane which could be assisting Batswana. This this village, as you have pointed out that in the month of village does not have a sewage reticulation, and May, dam projects would commence. We would be very

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grateful as the people of Boteti. Water purification and that I will continue being its representative even in the land allocation, those are the main issues in our village. coming years. There is no problem because land is there; the problem is your office, which the secretary is lamenting that he has I would like to point out that from way back, no officers. I believe you can help him on these points developments have not been reaching our constituency and we can reduce…(Inaudible)…for Letlhakane, in according to how we wish they can be executed. We places like Mmatshumo, Mosu, Mokubilo, Makgaba, have been patient for the longest time, trusting that the people have long waited. Makgaba village is new and Government will take developments to our constituency. the youth there always ask me, “Honourable Member, Let me start by appreciating water that we received when are we going to be allocated land?” When I get at Chadibe, Borolong and Shashe Mooke from the there at the land board and I try to enquire, they tell pipeline that comes from Francistown and passes me, “Honourable Member of Parliament, we have long through Mathangwane, people of Chadibe, Borolong submitted these issues to the ministry, showing them the and Shashe Mooke do not queue for water all night as shortage we have here, and it seems it is not easy to get it was before. We have to appreciate this and the fact help.” that the company which connected this water for us did an exceptional job and within the stipulated time. As I have said, I request that today in Parliament, let Residents of these villages now have drinking water the spatial plan which is in your office be followed. and they are also able to bath just like people in other This report was done by independent people who were constituencies. We know that we were expecting that considering the fact that in this country developments are the other Mathangwane, Makobo, Natale and Jamataka not spread properly, hence recommending what could pipeline will be constructed after the construction of be done. All the time I wish someone who comes to that Chadibe and Borolong pipeline. We know that there are office should adhere to the spatial plan. It shows where shortages of funds Honourable Minister but we plead developments could be taken and when, considering the that while we are still waiting to secure enough funds to population and the activities that are there. construct the second pipeline or Phase 2 of this project, we should increase pipes which are connected to the It is such a shame that a village of the magnitude of tanks in Mathangwane or connect booster pumps which Letlhakane, which is surrounded by mines still sources will… salty water from dams Mr Chairperson. That is why you should provide us with a treatment plant that is going MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Dr Gobotswang is to treat water from dams while we are still waiting for asking for clarification. the pipeline from Tonota or from the North. Let me highlight that I did not have many words, I support MR MOLAO: Denied. So if booster pumps can be you Minister. There is shortage of land, so let us start connected to the tanks in Mathangwane, water which to cut down the size of farms to four by four between has been passing to Chadibe, Borolong and Shashe boreholes. Let us reduce six kilometres; we were once Mooke will be pumped at an increased pressure to at 10 and we reduced to eight and then six, so this is Makobo, Natale and Jamataka. This is the temporary the time to reduce to four or three kilometres between solution that we are proposing Minister, so that villages, boreholes. So that Batswana can get pieces of land. We more especially Natale and Jamataka can be able to get should also reduce the size of ploughing fields from 16 adequate water because they are currently experiencing hectares to 10 hectares so that many Batswana can be shortages. We hope that this idea will be implemented. able to get land. This is another issue which raises a Even to stretch water maps in Jamataka so that people concern Mr Chairperson but I believe that the Minister can access it nearby. This is something that we are heard me. That is all that I wanted to comment on this expecting from your ministry Honourable Minister. budget allocation. Thank you. I appreciate that the Ntimbale Dam World Bank funded MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR project which we long promised constituents is ongoing MOLAO): Thank you Mr Chairperson. Let me point out and it is expected that people of Nshakazhogwe, Sebina, that I support the Minister on his proposal. I would also Marobela, Mafhungo/Hubona, Marapong and Semitwe like to highlight that I am representing my constituency will have access to clean and adequate water in August. Shashe West for the third time consecutively and I hope I encourage you to keep an eye on this project to see

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that the company that provides us with water in these can create employment opportunities for people of these villages which has not been able to supply people with villages because currently the land is not serviced. water even up to date while waiting for the construction of the pipeline to be completed… we know that there Two Sub-land boards; Tonota and Marapong, this is a is bowsing but bowsers are not enough for people in grievance that is there across the whole country, that Mafhungo/Hubona, Semitwe, Marapong and Marobela. we are not able to allocate plots as we promised people due to the issue that we have to draw plans and service Even though water is pumped from the dams in land first. Let us hurry to implement the Motion that , it is also not enough. There are frequent we have been discussing, saying that maybe we should power cuts, the pipeline is often destroyed by people do minimal land servicing and allocate plots so that and sometimes it is destroyed by elephants. This issue people can be able to build houses for themselves even raises a concern. I believe that we are crying with hope if some major developments are not yet implemented. because we can see that Ntimbale pipeline project is This system will reduce the long lists of people who are ongoing so that villages in my constituency can have waiting for plot allocation. water. It is something that we promised people and we are now fulfilling our promise. We are grateful that My constituency is the most affected constituency, towards the end of the year, people of those villages will starting from Nshakazhogwe all the way to Matsitama, be able to drink water, to bath and carry out some of Borolong, Chadibe, Jamataka, Mathangwane and their developments, their suffering will come to an end. Mafhungo/Hubona villages, people are not allocated Minister, I applaud you for this and we should indeed plots because it is said that we are waiting for maps. keep it up. This delays developments in which these people can build their residential area. Minister, let us hurry to The other main concern that I would like to address is implement this, you have our support. that the Minister should pay attention to the situation As I move towards my conclusion, I would like to in which people are complaining about high water emphasise the issue that land is not expanding, but bills even though sometimes they stay for a long time the population is increasing. This issue was raised by without water. I think that maybe if you can copy the Honourable Lelatisitswe and I want to emphasise it, let system that Botswana Power Corporation is using, and us reduce the six by six kilometres between dams and have prepaid water metres so that people can be able move down to maybe four or three kilometres so that to know how much water they use in a month and be people can have boreholes in which they will sustain able to buy water for themselves. So that when there is a lives at cattle posts without holding on to six by six water shutoff, people would know that it means that they because land is not expanding. did not pay for water or that they did not buy enough water. This system will eliminate grievances from Water The other main issue is demarcation of farms. Nowadays Utilities Corporation about high outstanding water bills. management of livestock, when one has just one by one This will also help parents back at home because they kilometre he or she can be able to keep enough livestock would stop complaining that they have high bills even such as goats. It would depend on the management he though they do not get enough water. I think that Water or she has adopted. It would help in such a way that Utilities Corporation and your ministry should hurry to the youth would own farms measuring one by one, two implement this because it can reduce a lot of complaints by two, three by three and four by four, depending on out there. the type of management adopted. That old mentality that a farm measuring six by six can be profitable no I want to emphasise the issue of land servicing. Our longer holds water. There are examples of people who Constituency, when you take villages like Mathangwane, have small lands but the number of their livestock Chadibe, Borolong and Shashe Mooke, there is a even if it is small stock, it is more than the one at the plan called Greater Francistown. The expectation is normal ranch which people favour. Some people plant that since these villages have been included in the and feed their livestock from their ploughing fields. We Greater Francistown plan, they will be serviced so should therefore consider this. We should demarcate that companies which need land in Francistown would and allocate land so that youth especially may practice be able to acquire plots at Mathangwane, Chadibe, farming. We should make things easy for them because Borolong and Shashe Mooke and start businesses which if there are no jobs, the Ministry of Agriculture comes

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through. We can reduce the food import bill through MR LUCAS: Mr Chairperson, I believe you stopped this ministry. With those words Honourable Minister, I the clock. support you. Thank you Mr Chairperson. MR LELATISITSWE: It means…(inaudible)…those MR LUCAS (BOBONONG): Thank you Mr things. Priorities of the ministry were passed in this Chairperson. Let me start by thanking the Honourable House. Minister for mentioning that Lepokole, Gobojango, Semolale, Mabolwe and Motlhabaneng would be MR LUCAS: Mr Chairperson, have you stopped the connected to Thune Dam. I am under immense pressure clock? from those villages. I believe as you say this, the residents of those villages heard you. I believe Kgosi MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes, Honourable Member. That at Lepokole is listening that the Honourable Minister is in order. When we address a point of order, we stop made a promise. I also believe Sir Wonder at Semolale the clock. Honourable Lelatisitswe! has heard the Minister’s promise, maybe we might be fortunate soon. This project should be sped up because MR LELATISITSWE: Chairperson. people have no water Honourable Minister. It took a MR CHAIRPERSON: I do not think it is a point of long time for the villages I have listed to be connected order to be honest. I think you wanted to correct him. to Thune Dam. I must thank you because you proved to Since that is his view, then you should have stood on a be different from the Ministry of Health which deleted point of correction and told him that it is not true. This every health project related to Bobirwa. You left us is the truth about the situation in Bobonong. Honourable those crumbs. Lucas, go ahead. As you are aware, we are faced with a huge challenge of lack of residential land allocation. Time and again MR LUCAS: Mr Chairperson, he is intending to you remind us that there are about 600 000 people who intimidate and disturb me. Honourable Minister, I hope are on land allocation waiting list in Botswana. There you heard that I said you must hasten to ensure that the is need for you to address this issue. It is important 600 000 you said do not own land should be allocated that you also provide us with a timeframe of when you land. would have dealt with this matter. Land on its own gives In Bobirwa it is a tough challenge. In all Bobirwa the owner dignity. If you have land, even if it is just an villages save for Molalatau, land allocation had undeveloped plot, you feel dignified. In conversations stopped for the past seven years and 10 years in some with other people, you can even indicate that you have other villages. In Bobonong the waiting list is at 10 a plot. 000 and 200 were allocated just recently. This means “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” that we have an immense land allocation backlog. In villages such as Lepokole, Semolale, Gobojango, MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Lucas! Mabolwe, Motlhabaneng, Mathathane, Tsetsebjwe and Moletemane, we have a challenge that there is no MR LUCAS: Sir? land allocation. It has now been a while. Our children MR CHAIRPERSON: Good afternoon Honourable stay cramped up with their parents in their homes. This Members. Honourable Sethomo Lelatisitswe, Member causes conflicts in homes. You have to quickly respond of Parliament (MP) for Boteti East, is standing on a to that situation. We know that the reason why there is point of order. this huge shortage is because when you were appointing land board members last time, you favoured members of ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND Botswana Democratic Party more. We do not know their WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Point of order. strengths. We will be watching them to see if they will Thank you so much Mr Chairperson. I think the House be able to solve these complex matters. will be out of order for the Honourable Member to say, Ministry of Health and Wellness deleted everything Honourable Minister, there is this issue that I normally health related at Bobonong. I think he was part of the raise with you on Section 39 of Tribal Land Act, which Mid-Term Review. He was there when we passed Mid- you need to be careful of. This is a law which talks about Term Review. It was passed by Parliament. You had different land uses and it says you cannot grow crops issues which… (inaudible)… as it was. at the cattle post. It is surprising and it is not wise to

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say you cannot grow livestock feed for your cattle and well as water from Limpopo. In that case, they will be small stock. We believe that you can grow feed for your able to supply their livestock with water from this river, livestock at the cattle post. However, this is not permitted go fishing as well as use that water in any way possible. by Section 39 of Tribal Land Act. This is worrying and So currently, only one country and its people benefit must be followed up to ensure that we amend this law to from Limpopo river. Moreover, ... allow people to grow feed for their livestock. It should be permissible for one to plough one or two hectares of MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Lucas, there is a crops for consumption. People are abused in areas such request from Honourable Motsamai for clarification. as Lekgolwe, Seokeng and Makadibeng and are told MR LUCAS: Yes sir. Honourable Motsamai, be brief to put down the fence they had erected for their crops sir. to consume at cattle posts. People are tired of having several homes; village, cattle post and lands. Sometimes MR MOTSAMAI: Clarification. Thank you Mr the one who looks after his or her cattle at the cattle post Speaker. May you also briefly clarify the issue of Land needs to have a patch he or she can grow crops. We are Administration Procedures, Capacity and Systems against one who gets to the cattle post and accumulate (LAPCAS) where people were given plot certificates a huge chunk of land and grow crops. We are however with the intention to make title deeds such that they can saying, those who grow crops for consumption should use them for whatever they want, be it loan application, not be hindered. how far with that? Clarify this issue Minister. Thank you. We have a challenge at Bobirwa I have engaged the Minister on freehold land. The majority of Freehold MR LUCAS: Sir, it is indeed an issue of concern land is not utilised at all and the owners do not stay because you cannot understand the whereabouts of here. Therefore, Government needs to assess and find LAPCAS. The truth is, it was offering great assistance out if we cannot buy those farms to expand grazing land since people could use those freehold land certificates and lands. Villages such as Moletemane, Tsetsebjwe, when applying for loans at the bank. I am saying this Mathathane and Motlhabaneng, no longer have grazing because if you can take the current certificates to ABSA land. There is no land that can be allocated for people or First National Bank (FNB), they regard them as mere who want lands. That needs to be followed up. useless pieces of papers. So it is indeed important for us to pursue that issue, we have to pay attention to it. MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Lucas, there is a request for clarification from Honourable Healy. In conclusion, you will realise that with freehold land areas such as Tati East, Tati West and areas surrounding MR LUCAS: Denied Mr Chairperson. Moving on, Francistown, these people usually sell that land in their there must be…(inaudible)… that is special, that land own terms, they sell it to white people. On that note, it which is not utilised like farms surrounding Bobirwa, is quite difficult for a person like Honourable Speaker the Government must find a way of buying it and have to buy freehold land because they usually sell it to those it used by people for arable farming or as grazing land. who are related to those who own those farms. So we We cannot accept a situation whereby people who own have to investigate this thing and find out where they this land do not stay here, those who also fail to pay tax advertised to sell this land because on many occasions, for it. they end up selling it to their relatives. We really have to Mr Chairperson, we also have a challenge where within investigate it because we have a great challenge, we are our constituencies, we have water which we should be disturbed by farms owned by white people. They deny sharing with other countries especially South Africa; us a peaceful life and on top of that, we cannot use that water from Limpopo river but it is used by freehold land while they also fail to pay tax for it. So it is indeed farmers. People from Bobirwa, Tswapong North and important for us to pay attention to freehold land at South and areas like Mahalapye East cannot access Bobirwa so that Babirwa can also benefit from that land. this water because it is blocked by these farms. In that Having said that Mr Speaker, thank you. manner, water from Limpopo river is only accessed by those who own these farms and people from South ASSISTANT MINISTER OF TERTIARY Africa and access is denied to Botswana. So we have to EDUCATION, RESEARCH, SCIENCE AND create corridors which grant Batswana access to land as TECHNOLOGY (MR SHAMUKUNI): Thank you

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Mr Speaker. Let me also support Minister Mzwinila’s which is at Francistown. An office from Francistown is budget proposal. Let us approve it so that he can managing state land at Kasane. Residents of Kasane; implement his projects. Chobe, in most cases will have to travel 500km in order to go to Francistown to access certain services that are I would like to start with the issue of access to land. I managed by your ministry Honourable Mzwinila. encourage him to increase the efforts that he has already started making, efforts which are going to enable him to My plea is let us decentralise. Let us find out if we ensure that every Motswana gets a plot or residential plot cannot set up Department of Lands in areas like Kasane. as soon as possible. We know this issue, we debated it at A department which may provide all services required length Mr Chairperson even when we were debating the by Batswana because Kasane is a state land. It does not land policy; revising the 2015 Land Policy. We debated make sense right now for land issues of such a rapidly it at length that, let us try to improve the situation that growing town, to be managed from Francistown. we have in relation to access to land. A Motswana must not wait for a residential plot for close to 18 years. I appreciate how you interpreted the new policy Honourable Mzwinila; you gave clarity, the Ideally Mr Speaker, it is better to allocate serviced land interpretation of some section of the policy which you where there is provision of services like good roads, indicated, I also agree with you on the basis that every water, resources and electricity. We know that it is quite Motswana must have the right to own a piece of land; difficult as the Minister has already highlighted that we tribal land and state land, either married or through need a lot of money to provide services so that every inheritance or through buying. That as long as you are Motswana can get serviced land. We or the Minister has a Motswana, you deserve to have a right to own a plot decided to proceed with allocating people even in areas that are not serviced. I believe it is necessary because it which is allocated by Government regardless of whether is going to improve the situation that we find ourselves you once bought a plot, got it through inheritance and in, a situation where Batswana, especially young people so on and so forth. It is really important, especially do not have residential plots at this particular time Mr divorced women, those who did not get the opportunity Speaker. We are aware that it requires a lot of money but to own a plot when they were married. So with the new Honourable Minister, try your level best. policy, they will get that opportunity.

Honourable Minister, try to improve coordination of There is another scenario Honourable Minister which I all the organisations that are affected by establishment would like you to consider. Perhaps as we are discussing of identifying a puzzle of land, those who are going to the Land Policy, we should consider that if you are create a base map to the final stage where a Motswana allocated tribal land, say in an area which is adjacent to is going to get that land after officials who deal with an urban area, then it is said that you cannot be allocated physical planning and officials from council have tribal land. For example, we know that it is difficult to surveyed. We have had reports Mr Speaker from land get land in urban areas Mr Chairperson but it is easy for boards, they say they are only responsible for deducing a Motswana to get it in tribal areas which are adjacent to the base map, which means they have nothing to do these urban areas. For example; Kazungula is adjacent with the process of survey. They say surveying is the to Kasane, it is easy to get tribal land in Kazungula responsibility of other organisations like council, where whereas you are from Parakarungu, which is your native the delay usually arises to a point where for this reason, area. If you are allocated land at Kazungula then you they end up taking long to allocate a Motswana. In that go and apply at Parakarungu which is your native area, manner, discuss the coordination of these departments the response is we cannot allocate you land because with your colleagues from various departments so that you have already been allocated land at Kazungula, I they may have a plan which is going to help them to think we need to look into such issues. Others are from speed up the process of access to land. If that happens, Pandamatenga and they got plots from Lesoma simply Batswana are surely going to get plots. because it is adjacent to Kasane. When one now needs to apply back to his native area of Pandamatenga, the I would also like the Honourable Minister to pay applicant is informed that he/she cannot be allocated attention to the issue of decentralisation of services of the tribal land because he/she has already been allocated Ministry of Lands. If you pay attention to Department of one adjacent to the urban area. You should look into this Lands in the northern region, it is serviced by an office because it seems to be disadvantaging Batswana.

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Let me talk about land servicing projects as you that earlier on I heard Honourable Tshabang raising a mentioned them in your presentation. Mr Chairperson, concern about the current land allocation focusing more let me express my gratitude for those in my constituency on the Nkange constituency and alluded that the waiting and perhaps thank the Honourable Minister. I take it list is at 16, 000. Mr Chairperson in my observation that people at my constituency have heard, we are very there is no constituency which can be worse like grateful particularly projects regarding water treatment. Mogoditshane looking at the fact that the waiting list Water treatment above everything else Mr Chairperson is close to 140, 000. I do not believe it is good. Despite because recently we have been seeing water from taps that, let me indicate that Honourable Mzwinila is aware at Kasane and Kazungula in shocking colours, we do of these issues and he is always willing to help. I strongly not know the cause. It has raised issues of water quality. believe that he will make efforts to address these issues Voters of Chobe constituency are confused, they call to see how he can assist the population at Mogoditshane. me everyday regarding this. I think this new water This is an extremely disheartening situation. When treatment plant will improve the situation and people I first ran for elections in 2014, we were at 140, 000 can get water which is clear not the cloudy and muddy Mr Chairperson and five, six years down the line, we one that they are using now. are still at 140, 000. The waiting list is not moving at all. It becomes very difficult to stand before people and Sewerage system at Kasane; I think it needs to also be convince them that as their Member of Parliament you rehabilitated. Nowadays, spillages are all over even are advocating for them, of which you are and poor in areas which are a concern, you will find warthogs Honourable Mzwinila is also making efforts but there wallowing in spillages of sewerage, there will be are some other circumstances beyond his control. As I a foul smell and unhealthy conditions. I think this indicated Mr Chairperson, I strongly believe because I system requires rehabilitation to address the situation. know his capabilities and how my concern, the concerns Sometimes the spillage is in residential places and it is of the Mogoditshane community are also Honourable giving us a problem. Mzwinila’s concerns therefore he will address them. Let me quickly rush to reaffirmation of international The other suggestion raised by some Members Mr boundaries. Let me thank you Minister that we want Chairperson is that we should allocate plots and stop to bring to conclusion the issue of Kasane border, complaining that there is no money, our priority is Kazungula Ferry and Zimbabwe, we know that it almost blocked development of our bridge. So please bring to demarcate plots and connect water. I believe this closure on that issue so that we know our borderline suggestion is good and as Honourable Mzwinila usually with Zimbabwe. You should look into the reaffirmation talks about it, he should seriously consider it in order to of a boundary between Chobe West and Namibia Mr assist our nation. In terms of lack of electricity and water Chairperson. There are issues arising, which were never Mr Chairperson, I can assure you that I am one of the addressed during consultations. Some areas which children who grew up in this country at Mogoditshane are at the north like Satau and Parakarungu, there is a and we used candle and sometimes paraffin. I used to strong belief that those at the Namibian side like Lake draw water from Tlapalanoga as we had no water in our Zambezi and so on should be at the Namibian side. Let home, we only got such amenities as years progressed. us go back and talk with people in our constituency Mr To date, there are children whose parents are still renting Chairperson, maybe there can be a solution. Thank you at Mogoditshane, others are not even renting, they have Mr Chairperson. no place to stay, they are accommodated by relatives. The solution is if Honourable Mzwinila can allocate MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable. I have land to Mogoditshane residents although it might not be been informed that Honourable Thiite has been changed, serviced, services can be brought at a later stage. so the floor is yours Honourable Rakgare. I am happy that at Paragraph 34, you mentioned that MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, Mogoditshane constituency will be assisted through SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR the North-South Carrier (NSC) project which will be RAKGARE): Thank you very much Mr Chairperson. implemented. I support this initiative. Honourable Thank you very much. Let me also comment on Mzwinila, we are hopeful that since our people residing Honourable Mzwinila’s presentation. Like others have at Ledumadumane experience water shortage yet they been showing concern Mr Chairperson, let me indicate built houses, they will be assisted. Some who had no

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plots before but managed to acquire some and build MR CHAIRPERSON: No! no! You are accusing him. houses at Ledumadumane but now the only challenge He never said he is a vulgar person. He said, “he might had been water shortage Honourable Mzwinila. We insult me,” he never said he is a vulgar person. That is believe the initiative mentioned at Paragraph 34 will different. “I am not yielding for him because he might help our nation. insult me”, so he never said he is vulgar. I really do not like to be involved in their matters too much, I do Honourable Mzwinila, I do not expect that we would be not know how they speak to each other. Honourable talking about places like Tlapalanoga, Ledumadumane… Segokgo.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Rakgare, there is a MR SEGOKGO: Mr Chairperson, I hope that you have request for clarification. protected Honourable Member’s time, that means that I will have to be brief and say, the point he raised is that MR RAKGARE: From who? one of the things that he is concerned about is that, they may even end up contaminating the ground water. We MR CHAIRPERSON: From Honourable Motsamai. will end up affecting…

MR RAKGARE: I do not have that time Mr MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Segokgo, there is Chairperson. Can I continue, please! In areas like a request for procedure from Honourable Kekgonegile. Ledumadumane, Nkoyaphiri, Maolane, Bobididi, Goo- Selaledi, there are still people who use pit latrines. At the MR KEKGONEGILE: Mr Chairperson, I do not moment, when you look at an area like Mogoditshane, think what you made is a ruling. What you have made we are often called part of Greater Gaborone, I do not is a guess of what you heard him say, and you did not think it is okay for us to be in this kind of situation. I hear him the way we did. You did not hear him the request that Honourable Mzwinila should see what to way Batswana did. Honourable Rakgare was clear and do about this issue. I can see that Honourable Segokgo said, Honourable Motsamai is someone who came to is requesting for a clarification, I can give it to him Mr Parliament to insult people. I do not think it will be okay Chairperson, that other one only wants to insult me. for …

MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Member, no! COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Let me no! Sometimes I wonder why you make it seem like thank the Chairperson and thank Honourable Rakgare. someone is not listening. I also listen when I am in I also want to address this issue of drainage systems he Parliament. He never said he is someone who is vulgar. is addressing because he is talking about Mogoditshane, He has not used those words. If you are disagreeing with and Mogoditshane is not very different from Tlokweng, me we can go and get the Hansard. He said, “he might where there are plots that have been allocated. I know insult me.” that people have been allocated with minimal servicing, but we have a situation, because we are talking about HONOURABLE MEMBER: Does he even know areas whose ground water can end up being contaminated insults? like he was also indicating about Ramotswa. I am also MR CHAIRPERSON: No! I do not know. That is requesting that he… why I am saying I do not want to get involved in those MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Segokgo, there is matters. I am not getting involved. a request for procedure from Honourable Gobotswang. MR SEGOKGO: Mr Chairperson, let me conclude. I DR GOBOTSWANG: Thank you Mr Chairperson. conclude by also requesting that you should consider Mr Chairperson, I do not think it will be according areas of Tlokweng like Maratanang, Letlapeng and to procedure for Honourable Rakgare to say that Khaekholo, which do not have a drainage system. Honourable Motsamai just wants to insult him. I do not Thank you. think that it will be according to procedure to allow this MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Rakgare, go ahead. situation whereby some Honourable Member who is also a Minister, to say Honourable Motsamai is someone MR RAKGARE: Thank you very much Mr who is vulgar in Parliament. Thank you. Chairperson. I was saying that, but the issue by…

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MR CHAIRPERSON: There is a request for procedure Power Corporation (BPC) is doing, which every time from Honourable Boko. there a power cut, they indicate that electricity will be restored at these specific times. MR BOKO: It was earlier Mr Chairperson, it was clarified and there is no problem. Lastly Mr Chairperson because my time is running out, Khudiring Road Honourable Minister Mzwinila. I once MR RAKGARE: Stop them, others their issues are the requested the Honourable Minister, and we went to ones… see that road with Honourable Mmusi, I was having a MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Rakgare, can you Kgotla meeting there this last month, and the company go ahead? made a commitment that they will complete that road quickly, and end of February it will be complete. The MR RAKGARE: Yes Honourable Member, I am going people of Nkoyaphiri and Khudiring are still suffering. ahead Mr Chairperson… They are facing the challenge that after it has rained, getting around is a problem as the company is unable MR CHAIRPERSON: You are now including things to complete the road. Let us take action against these that… (Inaudible)…You are wasting your time. people. People who are awarded projects like this MR RAKGARE: Yes Honourable Member. I was company which is not serious about their job, we saying, like I indicated that areas of Mogoditshane terminate their contract and give it someone who will be Constituency Mr Chairperson, where there is suffering, serious about their job Mr Chairperson. So that people I do not think that it puts us in a good position as a can be provided with services. Because time is up, thank country to have a village like Mogoditshane… you.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Rakgare, there is MR LESEDI (SEROWE SOUTH): Let me thank a request from Honourable Nkawana. He is requesting you Mr Chairperson. Let me take this opportunity Mr for clarification. Chairperson to comment on the request that has been put before us, and I would like to show that I support MR RAKGARE: There is no time Honourable this request… Nkawana. If there was any, I would yield Honourable Member, I like you very much. Mr Chairperson, this issue MR CHAIRPERSON: There is a request for point of is heart breaking. If there is an issue that concerning, order from Honourable Motsamai. it is the one of water bills that was mentioned by MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Chairperson, things are not going Honourable Molao. When you look at Mogoditshane and the amount of population it has, a population that well. I know that you made a ruling Mr Chairperson, according to the 2011 population census, statistics but rebuke this child that when I am requesting for a indicated the only village that has more population clarification he should not say that, this one is not than us at Mogoditshane is Molepolole only. When you going to say anything, he is standing to insult me. He look at Water Utilities there are long queues there, our is dehumanising me, he is taking me to a different state, fellow people go there to request that their water bills and I am not someone who utters insults. So if you say should be rectified because they are too high. There is that you do not want to get involved Mr Chairperson, nothing they can even do because these bills, you will who will get involved? There is no Chairperson who find that someone did not use the amount of water that will be involved. is reflected in their bill. MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Motsamai!

The other brief issue Mr Chairperson since time is MR MOTSAMAI: Sir. running out is the one that, every time there is a problem whereby water is disconnected, Water Utilities just does MR CHAIRPERSON: I am repeating myself, I am not communicate with us. You will never know when not getting involved in your issues with Honourable it will be disconnected and when it will be connected? Rakgare. When water is disconnected our people are affected by HONOURABLE MEMBER: Do you mean that we thirst and darkness, and they never know when water will should insult each other in Parliament and it is just okay? be available again. Communication is something that is important. They should copy what the likes of Botswana MR CHAIRPERSON: I never said that. I do not want

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to review my ruling. I have ruled that I am not getting they address each other like that, so they want to involve involved in that issue. I am not getting involved because us in their issues. Honourable Lesedi, go ahead. I do not know what he means when he says, “I am not yielding for him because he might insult me.” I do not MR LESEDI: Let me thank you Mr Chairperson. Let know what he means. I mean the word that you said he point out that I support this request sir. I support it, but was uttering to say you are insulting him. If he said that, I would like to say to the Minister that I do not support yes, I would have rebuked him. him to be given the money so that he then neglects our constituencies. Mr Chairperson, there is no water in HONOURABLE MEMBER: I do not agree with a Radisele Mogome, Mokgware and even Tewane, but the ruling whereby Mr Chairperson says he is not getting North-South water Carrier pipeline passes through these involved. villages. Honourable Minister, I do not know what you will say to your own defense as to why these people are HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Inaudible)…there is not given water because the pipeline passes right under no difference between “he is insulting me” and “he is their noses. When you respond Minister, touch on this uttering insults”. point because it is worrisome; and by the way, there are MR CHAIRPERSON: I really know you people. certain statements that accompany it. Please respond to Honourable Lesedi, go ahead. this issue. When you respond to it, know that there is a way in which Batswana in these areas would understand MR MOTSAMAI: I was saying I heard you Mr it. Chairperson. Let me point out that land boards are not allocating land MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Motsamai! you as someone has already mentioned. Last time we could are out of order. I have made a ruling on that issue. make excuses saying there are no board members, but Honourable Lesedi, go ahead. now they are here. We are begging for land boards to allocate land, especially when it comes to plots which HONOURABLE MEMBER: … (Interruptions!)… do not require much; those at the lands. Let it be ensured HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr that Batswana are allocated land. Right now Batswana Chairperson. are suffering they are asking for space in peoples’ land, yet they have long applied, and one never really knows MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Reatile and what the explanation for not allocating them is. What Honourable Rakgare. have they done wrong?

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Honourable Members, Let me also point out that in the issue of land boards, we want to debate, please. there is also an issue of Land Administration Procedures, Capacity and Systems (LAPCAS) which was also MR REATILE: Point of procedure. Thank you Mr mentioned by one of the Honourable Members. Oh! Oh! Chairperson. Mr Chairperson, this issue of the budget People of God, since 2014 Minister up until today, see is dicey because we are timed. When there are many how long it has been, people are at a standstill, there points of order and procedure, they eat up the time we are no certificates which you promised them. When you could be using for debating. The Honourable Members look at this issue, what should it mean to the people? here know that they have come here to clown around, Please, pull up your socks and ensure that when you ask yet some of us have challenges in our constituencies. for a budget, when we give it to you, it should address Please next time after six give them an opportunity to issues which are really affecting Batswana. continue with their clowning Mr Chairperson. That is what I am asking for, please! As I have talked about the issue of Mokgware village, just see that right now, we are in the Fourth Industrial HONOURABLE MEMBER: Well said. Revolution, and there is no water in this COVID HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order! pandemic. There is no bowsing which is being done. What have the people of Mokgware done Honourable MR CHAIRPERSON: Thank you Honourable Reatile, Mzwinila? They are also Batswana; they have every what you have just said is very good. Some issues do not right that every Motswana has. Remember during need to be dwelt on, because their owners know why elections they also vote sir. Please, ensure that you give

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them water, especially because the water passes right MR LESEDI: I thank you Honourable Member. That under their noses. is it; it is just like that; very clear and straightforward.

Let me go to the issue of Physical Planners. Please Let me point out that we have a challenge with people collaborate with the Minister responsible for councils who have paid Honourable Minister. As there are no Honourable Molale, and see whether the time has not funds as is the case, maybe there should be a timeframe yet come for them to shift. Right now physical planning that if we are not able to source funds completely here, let is at the councils. It is the one which does the bulk of me say there should be other means which the Minister the work at the land boards. Is it not proper for those could consider so that the Government of Botswana can officers to be moved from from councils to land boards take responsibility to borrow money and assist people. because the bulk of their work is at the land boards? As one of the Honourable Members was saying, you are So if the land boards are suffering like this from asking failing to connect people. The Government is failing to for assistance from the councils, and you seem not to connect them, yet they have paid like those who have be realising that these people should be on one side so managed to pay elsewhere. Look into this situation sir, that they would be effective, I would not know what maybe in the end, these people will be able to benefit, to make out of this. Sir, as I touch on this one about especially because they have paid. Just think of it; one physical planning, let me rush to the one about sewage person pays and they are able to get help, another does drainage systems in the households. If you may recall the same and they are not assisted. Honourable Minister, sir, I once indicated that I am bothered by the fact that let us look into this matter. the people of Serowe or surrounding areas managed to pay for this connection; they paid some monies and it I wanted to go back a bit, regarding the land allocation at the land board. Compensation, particularly when it is in the Government records. We once came up with comes to allocations in the middle of towns or developing a suggestion that, is it not better for people to have villages like Mogoditshane, compensation in general, is their P1000s paid back to them. It somewhat appeared too menial. The people who owned lands do not agree impossible. In your responses you always say the with the Government because it seems they are getting Government does not have money. Maybe a time has menial compensation, and I also believe it is low. If come to see to it that despite the fact that there is no you take a village like Mogoditshane, where I stayed money, people would be assisted with… for many years, and even raised Honourable Rakgare, he is actually correct, the list is alarming. Consider the MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Lesedi, there is a fact that the last allocation at the Mogoditshane Sub- request for elucidation from Honourable Mathoothe. Land Board was at the beginning of the year 93/94. Just MR LESEDI: Yes, let me yield, please make it quick look at the fact that from 94 to date it has been 27 years Mathoothe. now, and nothing has been moving there. And now you can imagine, a person who applied for land in 94, they MR MATHOOTHE: Thank you Honourable Member. are still in the queue; by the time the allocation takes The other issue you can reiterate is about taking care place, what financial state will they be in because even of the water which is already there, because it seems the money they were supposed to use for developing, it Water Utilities is losing a lot of water. The other issue will be difficult to use it to develop the land. Some of that could be looked into is that the Honourable Minister us will be old and not able to do anything for ourselves. should explain how far they are with the meters he once Let that compensation be looked into Honourable talked about, the leakage sensor meters so that they Minister, and check whether there is no way it could be would assist in saving the water we are losing. It seems increased so that at the end of the day, the land boards we are losing water equivalent to that in Thune and would be able to get the lands from their owners and Letsibogo. Those meters would really help. in turn they would be compensated in a better way and The last one on closed boreholes which have people would also be given land. Without doing that, it contaminated water; they should come up with a would be a futile effort. Honourable Minister, I believe programme to make use of them in the industries like these are issues you would look into as we release your for brick molding and mortuaries so that we would save budget, it should be some of the things you are going to water which people consume. I thank you Honourable include in the plan and ensuring that the condition under Member. which Batswana will be living, is improved.

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With those remarks, I thank you Mr Chairperson; I I would like to hurry and remind him that there are 33 support the Honourable Minister in his request that his villages in our constituency which means that he missed ministry should be given funds to continue projects for Molete settlement, and it would be very painful if it can Batswana. I thank you. be left out. We plead that you should include them on that list because it is closer to Mokatako. I am happy that MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Lelatisitswe! in his request, Honourable Moagi is going to request for HONOURABLE MEMBER: No Mr Chairperson, you electricity connection for Molete, I already support him are giving him the floor for the second time, it is my even before he presents. turn. I plead that within the 18 to 20 months that he will be HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)... doing this project, Honourable Mzwinila should try and improve the emergency water supply. The first thing that ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND he should look into, is to try and improve the process of WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Mr pumping water from the existing boreholes. I believe Chairperson, let me proceed.... that although there is a shortage of water, if this whole process can be improved and water is pumped properly, MR CHAIRPERSON: No, wait, Honourable that water is going to take us somewhere despite the Lelatisitswe… shortages. Secondly, I believe that as Honourable Molao HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)... and other Honourable Members have been saying that they have already received water at their constituencies, MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, the they have been using bowsers and maybe if those list that I have here indicates that it is Honourable bowsers can be increased at our constituency, that would Lelatisitswe’s turn. If he debated, then it is Honourable be very helpful. Molale’s turn to debate. The third point is that boreholes should be secured. We HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions!)... already have the knowledge that there are boreholes which are said to be owned by Water Affairs in the MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND constituency, boreholes which have water. If only they RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Thank could be included in the system so that within these 20 you Mr Chairperson. I would also like to take this time months we would source water from them while still and comment on the speech by... waiting for the project to be completed, that would be HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr better. Fourthly, we are part of the riparian agreement Chairperson. of the Molopo Orange River Commission. There are three rivers near us which are in South Africa, two are MR MOLALE: What? Time is moving Honourable in Mafikeng and the third one is in Disaneng. We plead Members. Should I proceed Mr Chairperson? that maybe you should sign an agreement with them, an agreement in which they would supply us with water so MR CHAIRPERSON: Procced sir, do not listen to that coupling can be made for settlements which are near people. Disaneng in order for them to cross and access water MR MOLALE: I would also like to comment on the just like it is done at Honourable Brooks’s constituency budget proposal which is presented by Honourable The other thing Mr Chairperson, as I have been troubling Mzwinila, that I support. Honourable Mzwinila with this water issue, I am grateful MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Molale, you only that he highlighted that although there is shortage of have five minutes. water, he is going to carry out investigations as to why the available water is not being distributed accordingly. MR MOLALE: I will try Mr Chairperson. Barolong I am grateful for that because he heard me, and he heard are experiencing a disheartening water shortage and the grievances of Barolong regarding the fact that there they now get water from the rivers. I heard Honourable is a problem pertaining to the management of water. Mzwinila saying that the project is about to commence, we appreciate that. He pointed out that it will take 18 Moving on to the issue of land Mr Chairperson, we have months and it will cover 32 villages of our constituency. about four farms in our constituency and I would like to

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plead with Honourable Mzwinila, Honourable Gare and HONOURABLE MEMBER: Maybe you should just all other relevant stakeholders that these farms should skip him. be put to use, they should be allocated to people, more especially the youth. They should start to utilise them to MR CHAIRPERSON: Proceed Honourable Minister. sustain themselves and to meet the requirements of food MR MZWINILA: Thank you. Land is the main focus security of this country of all developments and that is why we need a lot of Since there is no time, Honourable Members, when funds and resources to allocated serviced land. I believe it comes to commercial farming, we are looking at that through the current system that we are using, we efficiencies. We know that our commercial farmers look continue to allocate un-serviced land but when we get to for water for themselves, but sometimes when there is National Development Plan (NDP) 12 and 13, we will shortage water, let us not forget that the noble intent ensure that we direct funds there so that that land can of commercial farming is to feed the nation. There are be serviced. so many things that require water so that commercial There is an issue of repossessing fallow land and this farming can be more efficient, more especially things procedure is in the Land Management Reforms Agenda, like pesticides, spraying for insecticides, herbicides, and that we should consult Batswana in order to take this spraying using foliar fertilizer and so forth... decision. according to the law, we can take this decision MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Order! Honourable but because we are an inclusive government, we want Minister. Honourable Members, I now call upon the to consult Batswana about the challenge that is there, Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation that there are so many applicants who need land and Services to reply to the debates. Honourable Minister, there are also so many people who are holding on to the you have up to 5:24 p.m. to do that. land that they are not utilising. We will talk to Batswana that according to the law, we are going to take land that MINISTER OF LAND MANAGEMENT, WATER is not developed and give it to people who applied for AND SANITATION SERVICES (MR MZWINILA): those plots. Thank You Mr Chairperson. I would like to start by thanking the Honourable Members who debated and all There was a proposal about whether we cannot consider increasing bowsers as a temporary solution since the those who showed interest, I appreciate your comments, World Bank North East funded project is expected to be remarks and advices Honourable Members. completed in August. There was a comment on why it seems difficult for us to I believe we can do that. What we are doing now is to allocate plots. I believe that I have in so many times tried answer other Honourable Members’s questions. On to answer this question here in Parliament by saying that the issue of bowsers, we are in the process of securing there are so many reasons which are making it difficult assistance from private bowsers. Currently, we have for us to allocate land, more especially serviced land. been using our bowsers only and sometimes we use I take it that since Parliament gave us a green light to Government’s. We have not been using private bowsers go ahead and allocate un-serviced land, we are in the but we are in talks with them to start using their bowsers. process of speeding land allocation. There was a question on when Mosetse Dam will be The first challenge that was there in relation to land built. Mosetse Dam is not included in the National allocation was that there was a long waiting list of people Development Plan (NDP) 11. Our agenda at the moment who applied for land. They were more than 1 million. is developments which are in NDP 11. Moreover, like We came up with the process to assess applications and I said about Mosetse Dam on a question which was applicants and they are currently around 500, 000. There posed, I said it will cost more than P1 billion to build were many people who according to the land policy… it. What we are doing as an interim measure to assist the people in that surrounding area especially at Nata- MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Mzwinila, there is Gweta is the Sowa Master Plan where we are going to something I missed. Honourable Thulagano Segokgo drill new boreholes with which we are going to assist had earlier on requested for a procedure and I am only Batswana. seeing it now. Honourable Segokgo. It was also mentioned that we should have a pipeline …Silence… leading to Boteti. That is a good idea but right now that

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project is not available in NDP 11. We might consider MR MZWINILA: Alright, I yield Mr Chairperson but it for NDP 12. Our challenge right now with water at I request that they be quick. Boteti is that, since we have been pumping water from a borehole, after some time you hit saline water. You MR NKAWANA: On a point of clarification. Thank may start with sweet or potable water but as you keep you Mr Chairperson. Thank you Honourable Minister pumping from that borehole daily, you reach saline for that brief opportunity. Please explain if you are water. We are in plans to... paying attention to state land plots in towns. Have you realised that the prices are too steep for Batswana more MR GREEFF: On a point of clarification. Thank especially the youth? They cannot afford to pay the you Honourable Minister. Before you go any further, money required when they are allocated those. Again, my question is on repossession of land allocated to we have not noticed most of the youth applying for Batswana who did not manage to develop their plots. them, we are noticing only elders who have applied a long time ago. Can you not have a parallel list of the Since there are large pieces of land which have been youth, to allocate them state land plots? Thank you. there for a long time without being developed like in Francistown, Tati and other plots that are owned by MR HIKUAMA: On a point of clarification. Thank churches in Botswana which I cannot mention, are you you Honourable Chairperson. Thank you Honourable not intending to also repossess them and allocate them Minister. Honourable Minister, I had wanted to ask you to Batswana? I thank you. a question earlier when you were talking about land, anyway but let me ask. I want to understand because in HONOURABLE MEMBER: You denied me an its campaign the ruling party said it intends to improve opportunity to speak Neo’s father. integrated farming. Do you not think the policy where you say people cannot be allocated lands at cattle post MR MZWINILA: Thank you Honourable Member. should be set aside as it defeats the purpose of integrated The plan to… farming? Moreover, in our constituencies such as North MR CHAIRPERSON: Can you please indicate West, where people were not used to three styles of whatever you want to say, like Hikuama, I just see his settlements, they just knew that where cattle posts are hand, he has not actually put anything to show me on is where lands are, you are now making their lives more what point does he want to rise on. I can see Honourable difficult than you can ever imagine. Thank you. Nkawana, on a point of clarification Minister. MR MATHOOTHE: On a point of clarification. Thank MR MZWINILA: Alright let me conclude, I will you Mr Chairperson. Just a brief question Honourable yield for them Mr Chairperson. On the issue raised Minister. I do not see Serule, Gojwane, Moreomabele, by Honourable Greeff, I believe as we are on Land Topisi project appearing, but I thought it had already Management Reform Agenda, we are looking at all land commenced or have you halted it Honourable Minister? and its uses, be it agricultural, residential and churches. MR LESASO: On a point of clarification. Mr We are looking at all land uses. Chairperson, the Honourable Minister was talking As for the pipeline leading to Boteti, I believe it is a about treating sewage water. I want him to clarify that, project that can be considered for NDP 12. The solution sewage water can be treated to a level where it can be that is available for Boteti, is Boteti Cluster Project consumed. We are aware that there is shortage of water which is under World Bank projects. Like I said in my in this country but…(Interruptions)… they should take presentation, we are in plans of finding a contractor that project seriously so that, that water can be fit for to carry out that project. We are hoping that maybe drinking to reduce the burden of pumping water as far as by April 2021 we would start the tendering process to Chobe. Take this project seriously before the years pass secure a contractor for this project. We will be increasing by. I thank you Mr Chairperson. boreholes which will be used. MR MZWINILA: Thank you Mr Chairperson. MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, I Honourable Nkawana talked about the high prices have three people lining up for point of clarification; attracted by state land but I also think developing state Honourable Nkawana, Honourable Hikuama and land is also expensive. It is very expensive to develop Honourable Mathoothe. and service state land and their costs are subsidised

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when compared to funds used to develop and service Utilities sufficient funds. This plan is currently at Water state land. Like I said, we are in plans of consulting Utilities. This is to say, it is included in the plans of Batswana to say, has the time not come that part of the Water Utilities. I believe if they can get sufficient funds costs used to develop tribal land should be incurred by as time goes on, they are going to implement it because land owners. it is indeed an important development. So, we are going to try by all means to ensure that it becomes a reality. Honourable Hikuama talked about integrated farming; Honourable also talked about World Bank project for integrated farming is faring very well in our view. North East for 52 villages. I believe it is successfully Integrated farming is carried out at the lands not cattle ongoing and it is going to be a permanent solution posts. In integrated farming, you do everything in towards water scarcity in North East villages. your ploughing field. This means that there will be no Honourable Members also asked about high water conflicts between what you are doing with other people. bills. So it may happen that we read meters amiss in The problem with integrating lands to cattle posts is, we some instances. This is what happen most of the time, have cases and complaints of people who have indicated a consumer may fail to identify water leakage in their that it causes conflict of land use. I think since there is house or yard or it may be our fault. If it is our fault, we that conflict at the moment, we do not encourage that accept and correct that mistake. If that bill matches water lands can integrate with cattle posts. usage by the owner of that place, the procedure is for them to pay that bill. We have realised that sometimes Honourable Mathoothe asked about the Serule-Phikwe we make mistakes because of our meters, so we are in Project. The Serule-Phikwe Project is still there, we the process of introducing smart meters which are going had awarded a certain contractor who later showed no to help us to identify leakages. This is called leakage interest in it. So we are having discussions with the detection like a certain member said. So we are in the second runner up to find if they can take up that project. process of experimenting smart meters. We did that in a Therefore, we are going to commence this project as certain area in the city and as time goes on, we are going soon as they accept it. to expand that experiment. So smart meters are going to help us in terms of leakage detection, to estimate bills, Honourable Lesaso talked about treatment of wastewater. to solve issues of unexplainable bills. I believe after We are working on that process. It is not possible for us expanding that experiment, if they function well, we are to solve the issue of water scarcity in Botswana without going to change our current meters to smart meters. implementing that process. Many countries, including South Africa and Namibia are using it. There is a certain MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, there are technology which we may use to treat wastewater, we three more clarifications from Honourable Ramogapi, shall have it in a short period of time. Currently, we Honourable Tshere and Honourable Thomas Kagiso are working on finding someone who can manage this Mmusi. process for us. Our intention is to start with Glen Valley MR MZWINILA: Where possible, I encourage network, provided we find someone who can manage it Honourable Members to be as brief as possible. for us. In that manner, we are working on that process. I will probably give you an update about this programme MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, let us within a short period of time. briefly state our clarifications.

Moving on to comments made by other Honourable HONOURABLE MEMBER: Thank you Mr Members, someone mentioned that our developments Chairperson. should match our National Spatial Plan (NSP). Let me highlight that we are indeed trying by all means more HONOURABLE MEMBER: I thought Honourable especially that NSP is our development. It is our plan Ramogapi is the first one. which entails how we intend to develop our country. MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Ramogapi, Another question enquired about Phase 2 of the clarification. development of Chadibe, Borolong and Shashe Mooke …Silence… which is going to cover Mathangwane, Natale and Jamataka. Honourable, our intention is to proceed with HONOURABLE MEMBER: He is not in, so I will Phase 2 and it can only be possible if we give Water start.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: It is advocate. MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Member, the procedure is to debate through chat. You do not just MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Tshere. shout.

MR TSHERE: Clarification. Thank you Chairperson. HONOURABLE MEMBER: It is not working. Just quickly Honourable Minister, I am enquiring about an update on provision of water to villages like HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, we wrote on chat Tewane, Bikwe, Radisele, Mogome and Mokgware? I Mr Chairperson. am enquiring about Tewane residents and they get water from the same source which means, it is impossible HONOURABLE MEMBER: I am only trying to help to discriminate them. How far with the process of you. providing them with water Minister? Thank you. MR MOATLHODI: Procedure. Thank you Honourable MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND Chairperson. Good afternoon sir. I am only trying to help SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Clarification. Minister, you, the question by Honourable Member for Selebi you did not mention the process of providing some of the Phikwe West, Standing Order 57.2 states that reference villages in my constituency with water; Mmankgodi and shall not be made to a case pending in a court of law. In Gabane. You only mentioned the surrounding villages. that manner, he cannot enquire about things which are at My concern therefore is, it is clear that pipes are old the court of law in Parliament. It is unprocedural. Thank in those villages. For this reason, when Masama and you Honourable. North-South projects commence, are they not going to overpower the pipes which sometimes burst and cause HONOURABLE MEMBER: Just to clarify Mr damage even when there is no water, because Gabane Chairperson. and Mmankgodi need water? We have a problem; we do not have water because these pipes usually burst. We MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us hear the Minister’s are afraid that …(Interruption)… maybe we will get it. response. We are still going to experience shortage because they MR MZWINILA: Honourable Mmusi mentioned that are going to keep bursting. Thank you Mr Chairperson. the challenge that we have there is …

MR KEORAPETSE: Clarification. Thank you Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. Chairperson. Mr Chairperson, we have been working on land servicing project at Selebi Phikwe which is MR CHAIRPERSON: Let us hear the Minister’s not going well. We never had an official version from response first. We are wasting his time. you as a Minister. I had attempted to ask a question in Parliament, I believe it was in December, you mentioned MR MZWINILA: We are in the process of supplying in your statement that it has been suspended because of them with a certain volume of water. Thereafter, we litigation. So tell us, is it a registered litigation? What are going to replace the old pipes, that is the ongoing is the case number? Who is suspicious? Why are they process. suspicious? Honourable Keorapetse asked about Land Servicing MR MZWINILA: Thank you Honourable Chairperson. Project at Selebi Phikwe; it has two sections; litigation Regarding the question by Honourable Tshere; I was and investigation. In that manner, I cannot respond to it going to respond to it by saying the villages that you Honourable. mentioned are included in North-South Carrier (NSC) I will move on to questions by other members who 2. We are building a new pipeline for those villages suggested that we reduce the size of the farms; one through NSC2. of the things that we are going to do through Land Regarding the one by Honourable Mmusi; we are Management Reform Agenda is to assess if it is possible working in the process of Ramotswa Water Treatment to reduce these farms from 8 kilometres (km) by 8 km Plant which is going to supply you with water to 3 km by 3 km. Honourable. Some members asked about my plans regarding HONOURABLE MEMBER: You have to clarify it, undeveloped freehold land; I have explained that are Ramotswa residents also going to get… through Land Management Reform Agenda, we are

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going to find how we can deal with undeveloped land or that has been previously allocated to people who should use the land even though failure to do so can result in the land being given to other people who will put the land to use.

Other Honourable Members talked about the secure land title and the progress of Land Administration Procedures, Capacity and Systems (LAPCAS). In the LAPCAS programme, we are currently in the process of kick-starting the LAPCAS programme that involves issuing of certificates but we were advised by those in the law fraternity that for us to continue with this programme, we have to amend a few clauses in the Tribal Land Act. This therefore means we will have to go through the normal procedures of amending the law; those amending the law are Honourable Members of Parliament, it means it will be tabled in Parliament. The question was what our progress is; the answer is, we are in the process of kick-starting secure land title but there are two clauses which need to be amended in the Tribal Land Act.

There was a suggestion raised to decentralise Lands Department. This is sound advice we highly acknowledge but what we will do is, since we are in the process for Chobe Land Board at Kasane to assist Batswana concerning issues which need the Francistown office to address issues regarding state land, it is an arrangement we are seeking legal advice on and we will map a way forward.

There was an issue raised that there should be coordination among all stakeholders involved in land allocation. This was said in conclusion to the point that it seems some stakeholders do not coordinate well with others. Let us take for example Physical Planning, the bulk of their work is at land boards yet they are based at the Council. We are engaging with the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development to see how we can solve this issue. We cannot confidently say we have a solution to this issue but what I can say is this issue is on the table for discussions where the majority of Town Planners or Special Planners are at Council whereas the bulk of their work is at land boards.

There was also the mention of stagnant; where people stay forever in the waiting list. I tried to explain this, pointing out that our main challenge is with land allocation, as this correlate with the fact that sometimes Batswana do not agree with compensation when their land is being taken from them with the purpose of growing the town to where they are located.

I take it that we said in the Tribal Land Act which is supposed to be implemented and we are planning to amend at Parliament, we want compensation to correlate with market prices. I think it is a system which after we officially launch, our rates will correlate with the market rates.

The Honourable Member asked our plans regarding Ledumadumane. I think if we can increase our water supply to Gaborone, there is a high possibility that we will have water supplied to that area but we will start by increasing standpipes. Our priority for now, is to increase water supply to Gaborone. I think…

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, you have two minutes left.

MR MZWINILA: …after the completion of Masama, it will enable us to do so.

I think I attempted to respond to some Honourable Members. I answered to issues regarding leakage sensing meters. The village you mentioned Honourable Molale will be included in the plan; Goodhope Master Plan requires all villages to have water supply and I hope we will achieve that Honourable Member.

Mr Chairperson, as I conclude my presentation of the 2021/2022 Budget proposals, I move that the sum of Nine Hundred and Sixty-Three Million, Nine Hundred and Forty-Seven Thousand, Five Hundred and Sixty Pula (P963 947 560. 00) for the Recurrent Budget be approved and stand part of the 2021/2022 Appropriation Bill (No. 1 of 2021) for Organisation 1800, and that the sum of Three Billion, Four Hundred and One Million, Two Hundred and Seventy-Two Thousand (P3 401 272 000. 00) for the Development Budget be approved and stand part of the same Schedule of the Appropriation 2021/2022 for Organisation 1800. I move accordingly. I thank you Mr Chairman.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, we are now going to vote.

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CLERK:

MEMBER’S NAME AYE NO ABSTAIN ABSENT His Excellency Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi √ Honourable Kgotla Kenneth Autlwetse √ Honourable Mpho Balopi √ Honourable Yandani Boko √ Honourable Sam Justice Brooks √ Honourable Honest Buti Billy √ Honourable Dr Edwin Gorataone Dikoloti √ Honourable Dr Unity Dow √ Honourable Karabo Socraat Gare √ Honourable Dr Kesitegile Gobotswang √ Honourable Christian Greeff √ Honourable Kainangura Caterpillar Hikuama √ Honourable Liakat Kablay √ Honourable Kenny Kiniotiro Kapinga √ Honourable Goretetse Kekgonegile √ Honourable Dithapelo Lefoko Keorapetse √ Honourable Philda Kereng √ Honourable Mmusi Kgafela √ Honourable Tshekedi Stanford Khama √ Honourable Dr Lemogang Kwape √

Name Aye No Abstain Absent Honourable Leepetswe Lesedi √ Honourable Sethomo Lelatisitswe √ Honourable Aubrey Lesaso √ Honourable Dr Douglas Letsholathebe √ Honourable Thapelo Letsholo √ Honourable Friction Tshoganetso Leuwe √ Honourable Taolo Boipuso Lucas √ Honourable Polson Majaga √

Honourable Nnaniki Wilhemina Tebogo Makwinja √ Honourable Beauty Manake √ Honourable Tumisang Mangwegape-Healy √ Honourable Baratiwa Mathoothe √ Honourable Dr Thapelo Matsheka √ Honourable Wynter Boipuso Mmolotsi √

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Honourable Kagiso Thomas Mmusi √ Honourable Simon Nkosana Moabi √ Honourable Lefoko Maxwell Moagi √ Honourable Pono Pearson Patson Moatlhodi √ Honourable Setlhabelo Naser Modukanele √ Honourable Anna Maria Mokgethi √ Honourable Eric Mothibi Molale √ Honourable Fidelis Macdonald Molao √ Honourable Molebatsi Shimane Molebatsi √ Honourable Talita Monnakgotla √ Honourable Kabo Neale Sechele Morwaeng √ Honourable Mokwaledi Ignatius Moswaane √ Honourable Palelo Keitseope Motaosane √ Honourable Motsamai Gabantema Jelson Motsamai √ Honourable Dumezweni Meshack Mthimkhulu √ Honourable Kefentse Mzwinila √ Honourable Kgoberego Nkawana √ Honourable Tumiso Macdonald Rakgare √ Honourable Onneetse Ramogapi √ Honourable Mephato Reatile √ Honourable Oabile Regoeng √ Honourable Dumelang Saleshando √ Honourable Thulagano Merafe Segokgo √ Honourable Peggy Serame √ Honourable Machana Ronald Shamukuni √ Honourable Johane Luther-Tine Thiite √ Honourable Dr Never Tshabang √ Honourable David Tshere √ Honourable Slumber Tsogwane √

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MR CHAIRPERSON: Order! Order! Honourable Members, here are your results; Aye- 44, No- 0, Abstain- 0, Absent-19. The Ayes have it.

Question put and agreed to.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Now we move on to the next item.

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ORGANISATION 2300 - MINISTRY OF of projects targeted for unbundling and the reservation INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING of all maintenance works for citizens. My ministry DEVELOPMENT will also put measures in place to increase reservation of works at Category E for citizen contractors. I must MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Members, please hasten to point out that these efforts are sometimes note that two hours 25 minutes have been allocated to undermined by some of our citizen contractors who are this organisation, and I will call upon the Honourable involved in fronting deals and misuse of mobilisation Minister to reply to the debate tomorrow. fees. I therefore, call upon the private sector to work hand in hand with Government to ensure that these MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND initiatives achieve their intended objectives. HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR KGAFELA): Mr Chairperson, good afternoon! I hope I am audible to you My ministry is engaging stakeholders to promote and to Members of the House. business models such as Consortia; Joint Ventures between citizen-owned construction companies and MR CHAIRPERSON: Yes you are. also between non-citizens and citizen owned businesses. MR KGAFELA: Before I proceed Mr Chairperson, This will enable a larger number of citizens to directly perhaps I should draw yours and Members of the benefit from the jobs created in projects financed by House’s attention to a clerical error in my written speech public funds. on paragraph 24 which I would like to correct upfront. Let me commend the private sector in augmenting Mr Chairperson, when you look at the figure on Government’s efforts of empowering the youth within paragraph 24, which I have recorded there both in words the construction industry. Since April 2020, the private and in numbers, there is a discrepancy between the sector has engaged 12 youth owned companies at the words and the number; the number is P129, 144,770 but tune of Thirty-Eight Million, Two Hundred and Thirty- when you look at the words recorded you will see One Three Thousand, Three Two Hundred and Seventy- Hundred and Thirty-One Million. The correct version Five Pula (P38, 233,375.00) in addition to the 52 youth Mr Chairperson is the one in numbers – P129, 144, 770. companies already engaged by Government. These 00. That is the only correction which I was proposing. efforts led to the creation of two thousand one hundred and forty-two (2,142) jobs for the youth. Mr Chairperson, please allow me to present to this Honourable House my ministry’s budget proposals Mr Chairperson, registration of professionals is for 2021/2022 Financial Year. My presentation will be progressing well. To this end, Quantity Surveyors preceded by a brief progress of some initiatives relating Registration Council, Architects Registration Council to the core mandate of my ministry that were undertaken and Engineers Registration Boards have registered during the Financial Year 2020/2021. one hundred and sixty-two (162), two hundred and ninety-nine (299), seven thousand four hundred and Mr Chairperson, as we go through the challenging sixty-one (7,461) professionals respectively. In an times of COVID-19 pandemic, we remain steadfast attempt to ensure compliance of professions within in achieving one of the NDP 11 priority areas of the infrastructure sector, the three regulatory bodies infrastructure development and maintenance. As continue to collectively engage other key stakeholders a ministry, our focus is towards development and such as the Directorate of Public Service Management maintenance of public building infrastructure, as well as (DPSM), Botswana Qualifications Authority (BQA) and facilitation of the provision of affordable housing for all the Ministry of Tertiary Education, Research, Science Batswana. My ministry is doing all it can to drive our & Technology (MoTE). My ministry is also engaging mandate in spite of the challenges posed by COVID-19. with stakeholders to ensure an all-inclusive registration PUBLIC BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE regime.

Mr Chairperson, efforts to enhance Government’s I wish to also highlight that the Construction Industry commitment of Citizen Empowerment are continuing. Authority Bill, through which an authority for the Award of maintenance contracts to citizen contractors registration and regulation of Contractors shall be will now be augmented through increase in the number established is now at an advanced stage. Given the progress made so far, we envision that the draft bill shall

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be finalised and presented before the February 2022 Mr Chairperson, it is worth noting that implementation session of Parliament. has not gone without challenges, especially delays in completion of projects. This is mainly attributed My ministry is implementing a number of major projects to, amongst others, inability by some contractors to for various Government ministries and departments. manage their cash flows, limited project management These include, but not limited to health and education skills and unavailability of some materials locally. We facilities as follows; will therefore continue to work with all the relevant · the refurbishment of Colleges of Education, stakeholders to ensure that projects are implemented on namely; Tlokweng, Molepolole and Tonota Colleges time and within budget. of Education. I am happy to report that most of the HOUSING DEVELOPMENT packages under these projects are complete whilst the remaining are at tender stage. Mr Chairperson, in recognition of housing as a basic human need and foundation of quality of life, · the construction of Moshupa Primary Hospital Government continues to intensify efforts to improve and Staff Houses which is expected to be complete by access to adequate housing by all. It is now evident that May 2022. the demand for housing in this country increases on a · Shakawe Primary Hospital which project is daily basis. My ministry has therefore focused not only substantially complete with some of the components on implementation of housing programmes, but also on such as tuberculosis ward, laundry and kitchen having improving housing delivery strategies so that they are been handed over to the client in December 2020. The responsive and effective. testing and commissioning of other facilities is expected To this end, a high-density low-income housing to be complete before the end of the financial year. programme that is expected to explore ways of utilising · the Refurbishment of Ghanzi and Letlhakane the limited land resources mainly in urban areas has Senior Secondary Schools are progressing quite well, been intensified. however, they have gone past their contract end dates, My ministry is continuing to engage stakeholders to because some site portions such as classrooms were not promote access to housing through review of pertinent handed over for implementation on time. policies and legislation such as Sectional Titles Act and · the Refurbishment of Francistown Senior sale of pool houses to sitting tenants among others. To Secondary School which we are undertaking has been this end, the review of the National Policy on Housing delayed, my ministry has put some interventions in is underway. The draft revised policy is expected to be place for its successful completion. presented before the July 2021 session of Parliament for Honourable Members to debate on it. The review · As regards Moeng College, a decision was aims to address the socio-economic challenges that have taken to cancel and retender the project as there were occurred since the year 2000. some discrepancies in the tender documents. The tender is now expected to be awarded by May 2021. Mr Chairperson, implementation of the housing programmes is one of the areas which was negatively It is imperative that we put in place adequate maintenance affected by budget constraints as most of the 2020/2021 protocol to protect public infrastructure and prolong its Financial Year budget had to be diverted towards useful life. My ministry continues to facilitate ministries, fighting the COVID-19 pandemic. However, significant including those with properly structured facilities progress was made towards achieving the approved one management units such that all Government buildings thousand nine hundred and seventy-two (1,972) units are maintained through the standardised service level since the beginning of National Development Plan agreements. Mr Chairperson, the ministries that adopt (NDP) 11 under the Self Help Housing Agency (SHHA) properly structured facilities management units, will not Turnkey programme. only ensure that their facilities are properly managed, but will also create opportunities for greater private A total of 1,707 units have been successfully completed participation in this sector. and the remaining 265 are still ongoing. As regards the SHHA-Home Improvement Scheme, a total of

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1,262 beneficiaries were successfully supported to Recurrent and Development Budget respectively. improve their housing units, out of the approved 1,648 beneficiaries since the beginning of NDP 11. Projects 2021/2022 RECURRENT BUDGET for the remaining 386 beneficiaries are at various stages This budget allocation covers six departments under this of construction. ministry and as follows:

Mr Chairperson, last year I indicated to this Honourable MINISTRY HEADQUARTERS House that we have completed 636 high-rise units against the planned 750 at Tsholofelo. Out of the first For the Ministry Headquarters, I request a budget batch of 372 units, 343 were sold with 242; 70.5 per allocation of Fifty-Five Million, Two Hundred and cent taken by youth as at by February 23rd, 2021. The Ninety-Four Thousand, Eight Hundred and Seventy remaining units are currently at different stages of the Pula (P55, 294,870) or 11 per cent of the ministry’s sales process. The second batch of 264 units that has total Recurrent Budget. Out of the above provision, also been recently put out on offer for sale in the local Engineers Registration Board has been allocated Six media. Of these, seven units have been sold while others Million, Nine Hundred and Thirty-Three Thousand, are at different stages of the sale process. The remaining Nine Hundred and Eighty Pula (P6,933,980) or 1.4 per 114 units are to be built at Block 7 in Gaborone, along cent; allocation for the Quantity Surveyors Registration with an additional 198 units that will be available for Council is Two Million, Ninety-Two Thousand, Four purchase to Batswana. A deliberate decision has been Hundred and Ninety Pula (P2,092,490) or 0.42 per cent; taken to unbundle the projects to promote citizen the Architects’ Registration Council has an allocation participation in the construction industry. These are of Three Million, Sixty-Eight Thousand, Six Hundred expected to be awarded by May 2021 Mr Chairperson. and Seventy Pula (P3,068,670) or 0.6 per cent. The other budget allocations in the sum of Thirty Million, As a Government, we remain resolute in improving Three Hundred and Three Thousand, Nine Hundred the standard of living of public servants by ensuring and Thirty Pula (P30,303,930) or 54.8 per cent is for that they have habitable shelter. Since the beginning of personnel emoluments and Twelve Million, Eight the Public Officers Housing Scheme for D4 Scale and Hundred and Ninety-Five Thousand, Eight Hundred below in 2016, we have been able to improve 471 units Pula (P12,895,800) or 23.2 per cent for other charges. out of 553 planned houses and the rest are ongoing Mr Chairperson. In addition, 569 out of 688 planned turnkey DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING units have been delivered and 119 units are ongoing. Mr Chairperson, I propose a budget of One Hundred Mr Chairperson, Government departments and ministries and Forty-Nine Million, Six Hundred and Thirty- continue to purchase housing units for occupancy by Three Thousand, Nine Hundred and Eighty Pula (P149, public officers. My ministry, though Botswana Housing 633,980) or 30 per cent of my ministry’s total Recurrent Corporation (BHC), delivered 465 units under the Budget for Department of Housing. Out of the proposed Public Officers Housing Initiative (POHI), all of which budget, Twenty Million, Four Hundred and Eighty-Nine were sold to Government departments and State owned Thousand, Two Hundred and Ten Pula (P20,489,210) or entities to add to their institutional housing stock. 13 per cent will be allocated for personnel emoluments, and One Hundred and Thirty-One Million, One Hundred 2021/2022 OVERALL BUDGET and Forty-Four Thousand, Seven Hundred and Seventy Mr Chairperson, the total proposed budget for the Pula (P129,144,770) or 86.3 per cent for other charges. financial year 2021/2022 for my ministry under the DEPARTMENT OF PROJECT Recurrent and Development are allocations is Seven INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING Hundred and Five Million, Eleven Thousand, Three Hundred and Ninety Pula (P705,011,390). This Mr Chairperson, I propose a budget of Twenty-One comprises of Four Hundred and Ninety-Seven Million, Million, Six Hundred and Fourteen Thousand, Three Fifteen Thousand, Seven Hundred Pula (P497, 015,700) Hundred and Ten Pula (P21, 614,310) or 4 per cent or 70.5 per cent and Two Hundred and Seven Million, of the ministry’s total Recurrent Budget. Of the total Nine Hundred and Ninety-Five Thousand, Six Hundred departmental budget, Seventeen Million, Six Hundred and Ninety Pula (P207, 995,690) or 29.5 per cent for and Fifty-Four Thousand, Two Hundred and Forty

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Pula (P17,654,240) or 82 per cent will be allocated Hundred Pula (P497,015,700) and the sum of Two for personnel emoluments, and Three Million, Nine Hundred and Seven Million, Nine Hundred and Hundred and Sixty Thousand and Seventy Pula Ninety-Five Thousand, Six Hundred and Ninety Pula (P3,960,070) or 18 per cent will be for other charges. (P 207,995,690) be allocated for the Recurrent and Development Budget respectively, and be approved DEPARTMENT OF FACILITIES MANAGEMENT and stand part of the Schedule of the Appropriation Mr Chairperson, I propose a budget of Two Hundred (2021/2022) Bill, 2021 (No. 2 of 2021) for Organisation and Thirty-Seven Million, Seven Hundred and Fifty 2300 and Total Estimated Costs (TEC) for Sub-heads in Thousand, Six Hundred and Seventy Pula (P237, Organisation 2300 in the Development Fund Estimates 750,670) or 48 per cent of my ministry’s total Recurrent be approved and stand part of those Estimates. I move Budget for the Department of Facilities Management. accordingly Mr Chairperson and I thank you. Of the total department’s budget, Two Hundred MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): As it is now 6 and Seventeen Million, Three Hundred and Twelve o’clock, we will stop there and continue with the debate Thousand, One Hundred and Sixty Pula (P217,312,160) tomorrow. I shall now call upon the Leader of the House or 91 per cent to be allocated for personnel emoluments, to move a Motion of adjournment. and Twenty Million, Four Hundred and Thirty-Eight Thousand, Five Hundred and Ten Pula (P20,438,510) or MOTION 9 per cent for other charges. ADJOURNMENT DEPARTMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Thank you Mr Speaker. As we have come to the end The Department of Infrastructure Development, I of today’s business, I move that this House do now propose for it Twenty-Five Million, Two Hundred adjourn. and Ninety-Seven Thousand, Four Hundred and Seventy Pula (P25, 297,470) which is 5 per cent of the Question put and agreed to. recurrent budget for the Department of Infrastructure The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:05 p.m. until Development. Of this amount, I propose Twenty-One Thursday 11th March, 2021 at 11:00 a.m. Million, One Hundred and Eighty-Three Thousand, Two Hundred and Thirty Pula (P21,183,230) or 84 per cent is allocated for personnel emoluments, and I propose Four Million, One Hundred and Fourteen Thousand, Two Hundred and Forty Pula (P4,114,240) or 16 per cent for other charges.

DEPARTMENT OF POLICY RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, MONITORING AND EVALUATION

Mr Chairperson, for it I propose a budget of Seven Million, Four Hundred and Twenty-Four Thousand, Four Hundred Pula (P7, 424,400) or 1.5 per cent of the total Recurrent Budget.

MR CHAIRPERSON: Honourable Minister, you have a few seconds to come to a conclusion.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Move Minister!

MR KGAFELA: In the light of that Mr Chairperson, I accordingly move that the sum of Four Hundred and Ninety-Seven Million, Fifteen Thousand, Seven

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HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa HANSARD TRANSLATORS Ms B. Ntisetsang, Ms M. Sekao, Ms B. Mosinyi, Ms V. Nkwane, Ms N. Kerobale, Ms K. Motswakhumo, Ms T. Motsau, Ms O. Phesodi, Mr K. Setswe

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