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HISTORY A HISTORICAL INTERVIEW WITH GREEK PRIME MINISTER VENIZELOS* alİ şahİn Dr. Institute of Atatürk’s Principles and Revolution History, İstanbul University Dr. Al Şahn completed hs undergraduate educaton n Anthropology at Istanbul Unversty and receved hs master’s degree from the Insttute of Atatürk’s Prncples and Revoluton Hstory at Istanbul Unversty. Şahn earned hs PhD from the same nsttute, wth a thess enttled “Le -Le- anng Movements’ Percepton of the Turksh Revoluton: From March 12, 1971 to September 12, 1980”. Şahn s currently a lated wth the Insttute of Atatürk’s Prncples and Revoluton Hstory. He has publshed artcles on the recent hstory of Turkey and the hstory of poltcal thought and contemporary ntellectual movements. Hs latest book s enttled “ e Great Dvde of the Turksh Le : Atatürk, Kemalsm, and the Turksh Revoluton”. E-mal: [email protected] https://orcd.org/0000-0002-4701-9695 * Çeviri: Selim Ayan HISTORY 87 HISTORY The Times (London, England), actes entirely justifiably in at once putting a stop Friday, Jul 08, 1921; page.10; Issue 42767. to the plot which was in progress to bring about a revolution in Constantinople. PEACE SIGN IN NEAR EAST OVERTURE FROM ANGORA A MEETING WITH GENERAL WHY GREECE IS FIGHTING HARRINGTON INTERVIEW WITH M. VENIZELOS In reply to a request from Mustapha Kemal, We have received from Mr. Harold Spender the General Sir C. Harrington has been authorized following notes of an interview which he had re- to proceed to a port on the Black Sea to meet cently with M. Venizelos.:— Mustapha Kemal and to hear and report the pro- Spender.—What in your opinion should the posals he has to make. General Harrington is not English friends of Greece do for her cause in the authorized, of course, to make any proposals to present critical position of affairs? Is the attitude make himself, or to negotiate in any form what- of your friends to be at all affected by the fact ever, but merely to record Mustafa Kemal Pasha’s that Constantine is in power? proposals. Venizelos.—Greece is greater than either General Harrington will be accompanied Constantine or myself. by Mr. Rattigan, Acting British High Commis- S.—That being accepted, how in your opin- sioner, who will attend merely in an advisory ion should they best act in England, consistently capacity. with their duties towards their own country? The request from Mustafa, however, seems V.—Tell England the truth. I see it stated to show that the Angora Government are turn- that Greece has been helped all through with ing to a more sensible course and see the impor- Allied money. Greece has had no money from tance of reaching an agreement with the Allied the allies since 1918, when she was given a join Powers. The conversation which General Har- loan of 30,000,000 £ by England, France, and the rington will hold is not by any means a seper- United States. Since then she has only been cred- ate British conversation. The French and Italian ited with the value of some war material left over High Commissioners have expressed their full from the Great War. She has had no financial approval of the course adopted and will be at help since. In May, 1919, the Greeks were asked once informed of the results of the interview. by the Supreme Council of the Peace Conference With regard to the action taken by Genaral to go to Smyrna. But when there, the Greek army Harrington in Constantinople against the agi- was confined within fixed lines and not allowed tators and conpirators in Constantinople, some to pursue the attacking Turks more than three of whom belonged to the Russian Trade Dele- kilometres (under two miles) beyond the fixed gation, while others did not, the Foreign Office line. That created a very difficult situation for the holds that no political significance whatever at- Greeks, because the enemy could organize with- taches to it. It considers that it was a necessary in our gaze and could choose his own point and police measure, and that General Harrington time of attack at pleasure. 88 HISTORY This situation lasted until June, 1920, when a British prisoner. The Bolshevists are behind the Kemalists defied the Allies and attacked them. If Kemal and the Bolshevists got the them both in the Constantinople area and Cili- Constantinople they would defy all the Chris- cia. You will remember that the Kemalist forces tian Powers. The Allies would soon find their had reached the Asiatic side of the Bosporus, and interest were involved. that they actually opened fire on Allied warships S.—What do you think of Constantine go- in the Bosporus. Farther south-east they reached ing to the front? the Dardanelles and they placed in jeopardy the V.—Well, it shows that the Greek military freedom of the Straits. At that critical moment staff have a very sanguine view of the success of the Greeks were asked by the Supreme Council, their operations. sitting then et Lympne, to undertake an offensive S.—Critics have say that we are being against the Turks as mandatories of the Allies. In dragged into a “new war”. addition, a Greek division was placed at the dis- V.—New war? Is it not just the old war-the posal of the Bristish General at Constantinople, old war still unfinished? Why, Turkey is trying to which operated at Ismid with a view to keeping tear up the Treaty which ended the old war, and Kemal in check against any further attempts to that Treaty has never been enforced. There has capture Constantinople. been no treaty -only an armistice. The Greeks advanced and carried out mili- S.—The trouble ist that Great Britain is now tary operations along with the English, meeting determined to have no wars at all of any kind. them on the Sea of Marmara. Up to that point, Public opinion is dead against any new wars, and under my Premiership, the Greek arms were as a matter of fact we cannot afford them. uniformly victorious, and we carried out what V.—We do not want Great Britain to fight we promised to do. Since then the Greeks have a new war, or fight any war at all. We simply incurred a serious check at the hands of Kemal, do not want her to desert us after asking us to although not a disastrous defeat. Owing to Con- do her work. We point out that if we go down stantine’s return and my own fall from power the your defenders will go down, and you will be Allies have declared a neutrality and have with- affected in your most vital interests. For if Ke- drawn their financial help. The loan has been suspended, and no further munitions are being mal reaches Constantinople the freedom of supplied to the Greeks by the Allies. Meanwhile the sea is involved, and your supremacy in the the Russian Bolshevist Government are supply- Mediterranean. ing the Kemalists. The Greek Government has S.—Perhaps that is why our Fleet is at Con- been obliged to withdraw the division from Is- stantinople. mid because it was perilously “in the air”. V.—Possibly. You talk of your burdens. But So now, with Kemal’s victory, Constantino- look at the burdens of Greece! We have been un- ple is in actual danger and the freedom of the der arms and our Army has been moblized ever Straits is jeopardized. The Turks have shown since 1912- nine years! The Greeks have kept un- that they care for none of the Allies, whether der arms in order to carry out work of Europe. Greeks, Bristish or French. They have hanged Ought Europe, than, to desert us? 89 HISTORY THE PRESENT REVIEW ARTICLE AIMS TO Although Greece remained neutral in the provide a historical evaluation of an interview First World War, it joined the war in 1917 af- with Greek Prime Minister Venizelos, published ter Britain offered the Greeks possible oppor- in The Times during the years of the Turkish tunities for territorial gains in the Near East. War of Independence.1 This short interview is Britain thought that a Greece under its control highly informative in terms of reflecting the po- would secure colonial roads in the East. As the litical realities of the period. first step in this policy, Greece invaded Izmir on The interview was conducted on July 8, 1921, May 15, 1919. The striking point here was that as part of a report on the authorization of Sir Gen- the Allied Powers declared in the first note that eral Harrington, Commander-in-Chief of British Izmir would be occupied by the Allied Powers Forces in Istanbul, to meet with Ataturk2. In the and in the second by Greece on their behalf (Er- interview, Venizelos explains the financial sup- tan, 2011: 84.). The Greeks first landed soldiers port Greece had received since the beginning at Izmir and then began to advance into Anato- of the war from the United States, Britain, and lia with various excuses. Venizelos, who was in France. It is also clear that the will behind the Paris during the conference period, also asked Greek attack on Turkey came from Britain and for the Allied Powers’ permission to allow Greek other allied forces, described by Venizelos based troops to occupy places as distant as Ayvalik in on concrete events. the North and Aydin in the South. The Allied Looking at the political atmosphere in which the interview was held, the situation was as fol- Peace Council was reluctant to allow Ayvalik’s lows: After the First World War, the Paris Peace invasion by the Greeks, and instead limited the Conference convened on January 18, 1919 to de- Greek expansion to Akincilar (Seljuk).