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.-Mr- .. -PERKINS. I ask the Senator from Missouri if it is not no doubt truly, by a responsible party, the consul-general of now advisable to strike out pa~agraph 213a? · · . Greece, shows that we ought not to make this discrimination -Mr; VEST. I am obliged to the Senator from California. I against that important product of Greece, the only thing we im- had intended to make the motion to strike out the present par- port from that country. - agraph 213a and make the next paragraph 213a. · - · As the vote has already been taken, I do not care tO move to Mr. ALLISON. The effect of that will be- simply to put cur- reconsider, because I hope Senators on -the other side having · rants under the general clause of 20 per cent. · the matter in charge will correct it. . Mr. WHITE. No; it will not. There is no similitude in the use or cost of Zante currants and Mr. PERKINS. No; it will make currants H cents a pound. raisins. Raisins are worth 2, 3, 4, or 5 cents a pound; and the Mr. ALLISON. The Senator refers to the words" including raisins of California are very beautiful, probably the best raisins Zante currants" in paragraph 217. I understand that currants in the world. I have seen specimens of those raisins which are al'e 20 per cent ad valorem in paragraph 213a, and Zante cur equal to any produced in the world. To make such achan~e in rants in paragraph 217 are a cent and a half a poun,d . th~ ~uty on this article, which does not really compete with the . Mr. PERKINS. By striking out paragraph 213a, Zan~ cur ralSms of _ou!' own country,·seems to me at least extortionate, rants will be left at a cent and a half a pound. Zante currant is and I thmk 1t ought to be corrected. I should have no objec the commercial name for almost all the currants-which come tion, however, to putting a reasonable rate, an ordinary ad va from the L evant, from Turkey, and from Greece. 1 think the lorem rate, on raisins; but to·apply a specific rate to these- two word. " Zante" should be stricken out, and the word "dried" articles, which differ so widely in value, raisins being worth at substituted therefor. That would embrace all varieties of cur le~t four or five times as much as Zante currants, is not just to rants. a friendly country, especially to a small country which has an Mr. ALLISON. I am not sure whether that would p\lt them increasing commerce with our own. on the free list or in the basket clause at 20 per cent ad valorem, I hope Senators will take the matte1· under consideration so because the designation" Zantecurrants" only includes one kind that it may be called up again when the bill is reported to the of currants. I care nothing about it. I am willing to put them Senate. I call attention to it now, but shall not put the Senate on the free list, or to make them all half a cent a pound. to the trouble of taking a vote upon it. Mr. PERKINS. Does the Senator 'desire to ·make them all .Mr. WHITE. Mr. President, if the Senator from Ohio.[Mr. - half a cent a pound? SHERMAN] had been here when the subject wasbeingdiscussed, Mr: ALLISON. Whether green or dried. he would have known that some of the stg,tements he has made Mr. SHERMAN. If the Senator from Missouri proposes to are not correct. The statement that there are no Zante cur strike out clause 213a, I shall have something to say about it. rants raised in California and that this a,rticle does not come in If he leaves it as it is, after the vote just taken, I shall S!l.Y no direct competition is not true, whether it ia made by a man more about it. What is the question now pending~ from Greece or a man from anywhere else. This is acontest be The VICE-PRESIDENT. 'r-he Senator from Missouri wilr tween California and Greece, upon which the great protectionist please state his proposition. of the .United States, the Senator from Ohio, is on the side of Mr. VEST. I move to strike out paragraph 213a, lines 8 and Greece. I have voted for a duty upon iron ora; I expect to vote 9, on page 48, and to make the next paragraph 213a instead of for a small duty upon coal. I am sorry that I shall do so-- 213b. Several SENATORS. How about lumber? Mr. SHERMAN. On that motion I desire to submit some re Mr. WHITE. We shall see about that hereafter. marks. The Senator from Ohio is very glad to avail himself of the aid Mr. FRYE. Does the Senator from Missouri intend to place of such votes as may tend to givelprotection to the industries of currants anywhere else in the bill? · his State; but when California,·away over across the mountains, Mr. VEST. Of coursetheywillcomeunderthe basket clause. is interested and asks for a duty, which is less than at any time It does not change the duty. ~ heretofore has been imposed upon this iruit, and which also, Mr. SHERMAN. Mr. President, the vote taken when I was by the way, yielded a large revenue, we find ·the Senator here absent temporarily fixing a duty of H cents a pound on Zante talking about the poor man. The Senator from Ohio, and those currants seems to me a gross injustice to a country with which who are to-day talking as he is talking, have been, I suppose, we have considerable commerce, and with which we have an in- solicitous for the interests of the poor man when they formulated creasing commerce. - · a bill prescribing prohibitory tariff rates. I have some facts, which I have received· from the represent A cent and a half a pound upon all dried currants will be. no atives of that Government in respect to Zante currants. If the prohibition, as the experience of the country has shown. The statements are true-and I have no doubt theyare, because they duty upon raisins, no matter at what you put it, affords but com are verified from the market quotations in the city oi NewYork paratively asmallamountof revenue, and absolutely none of that it is a grossly outrageous duty on what is commonly called the protection, about which the Senator has so often talked, to the raisin of the poor. The statement I have shows conclusively raisin industry of California. · thatZante currants are now quoted in the market of New York I desire to say to my friend, the SenatorfromNewHampshire at about H cents a pound. This, therefore, would be a duty of [Mr. CHANDLER]-who spoke sometime ago, and whose remarks 125 per cent upon Zante currants, which are imported in large are so facetious, I understand, that he is unable to publish them in quantities, and which are used mainly by the poor people in his own paper-when he states thati n my canvass in California their puddings, etc., as a substitute for raisins. Large quanti I ever said anything on this subject different from that which I ties of currants of that kind are imported. I shall read what is state hera, is also making a declaration which would not lo said here in a communicg,tion which I have before me: well published in his newspaper, which I suppose, without a CONSULATE-GENERAL OF GREECE, lent stretcli of the imagination, may be called truthful. 33 SOUTH WIL"LLA.M STREET Mr. FEYE. · What is the question before the Senate? Ne·IJ!. York, May 12, 18Y4. Mr. WHITE. To strike out paragraph 213a . Sm: ·rn the tariff amendments just presented in the United States Senate (article 217), I notice that a duty of li cents per pound is put on Zante cur Mr. SHERMAN. I had the pleasure of hearing most of what .rants, which are produced exclusively in Greece. the Senator from California said in his previous speech, al This enormous duty 1s equivalent to 125 per cent ad valorem, the average though I was called out during a portion of the time. I say price or currants in Greece being about 1i cents per pound. They are sell1Iig now in New York from lito lt cents per pound. there is no such duty in the .McKinley law-- zante currants, now on the free list, are taxed 10 per cent ad valorem by Mr. WHITE. Will the Senator allow me? the Iiouse blll. In the Senate blll the duty was increased to 20 per cent; then Mr. SHERMAN. Let me get through. the Finance Commlttee increased it to 30 per cent, and nowin the amended bill a speclfic duty of It cents per pound is put thereon, equal to 125per cent Mr. WHITE. Very well. ad valorem, . · . Mr. SHERMAN. This rate of 125 per cent on an article wl:rich And yet it is a fact that Zante currants do not come into competition with does not directly compete with the raisins of California does not a.ny product of this country. A stnall raisin produced in California has nothing whatever to do with the Zante currants of Greece. seem necessary. We only demand justice. We do not compete with your products. We Mr. WHITE. That is an extraordinary statement. buy in the United States every gallon of petroleum that is consumed in Greece, as well as all our agricultural implements, and yet it is proposed to Mr. SHERMAN. Under the McKinley act these currants tax at the enormous rate of 125 per cent the only article that Greece sends were admitted free. Why? Because they did not come in com to this country. · petition with the raisins of this country. The raisin is quite a The whole tarilf does not offer a second example like this, viz: Take an arlicle trom the free list and tax it 125 percent. Is thisnotagreatinjustice different article, an article .consumed mainly by the rich. The ~one to a frlendly country, and wlll it not a.frect the promising trade which Zante currant is consumed by the poor. Here is a discrimina WAs just being developed between the two countries? tion, which is not made in any other article on this list. It id Very respectfully, D. N. BOTASSI, an outrageous tax upon a popular article of food; and I think Con3ul- General of Greece. there is nothing like it in any tariff act. That we should pro ilon. JOHN SHERMAN, tect California raisins, which are cheerfully purchased at 3!" to United Stat's Senate. 6 cents a pound, and put the ss.me tax upon articles which are It seems to me that this statement which is made, and I4~ve sold here in the market at H cents a -po~nd, is unjust and wrong, XXVI-379
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I do not care who it is for, whether for the rich or the- poor, or Mr. 'CHANDLER. The Seno.tor's.colleaO'ueis now arrangin" wb.ethe:rt it is from Greece or my own country. - the matter with the Senator from Missouri. o I feel bound, in representing the people of the United States, Mr. ALDRICH .. I shall be glad to know if the Senator from to do justice to every country and to deal with all foreigncoun Missouri is going to accept the amendment. tries alike. The making of a discriminating duti of this kind Mr. TELLER. Mr. President, it seems to me we have been against a comparatively poor nation like Greece, will not, I wasting a good deal.of time over the currant businesa. There think, be approved by the American people, anywhere, whether are at least 200,000 square miles of the United States adapted to rich or poor. the growth of these currants, which can be raised in Western I think, therefore, a reasonable rate should be put UJ)On this Colorado, and in most parts of New Mexico, Arizona and Cali article, at least flufficient to furnish some revenue. Ten or for~ except in the high regions. If we protect 'anything, twenty per cent would hea high rate-. Ihadratherhave a speci there 1a no rea.son why we should not protect this class of prod fic duty, andasmall rate orduty, I think, one-fourth of a.cent a uct. It seems to me, after we have passed upon and decided it, pound would be ample; that'would be 25 per cent on this article, it is a considerable waste of time to have this discussion. but-. to carry the· doctrine of protection tothe extentthe Senator Mr. CHANDLER. The Senator from California on the other from California does, 1 think, is an exaggeration. It is placing side of the Chamber.[Mr. WHITE], with that kindness and cour 125 per cent on a cheap article of food. tesy and thoughtfulness which characterize him, informed me a The people of Califot•nia do not ne-ed such a protection. If ShOTt time ago that if I remained in the Chamber he should ac they can raise Zante currants in competition with Greece, they cuse me of being a prevaricator. r·have been in a good deal of will have to sell them in the market at one cent and a quarter. trepidation since that time. I have been called a T.he.rsites and You can not compete with the Zante currant. It is only raised a theorist; and I do not know of those two accusations which is in Greece, and there is a difference, I am told, between the-Zante the. more grave. To be c.alled a prevaricator by the Senator currant and the small raisin produced in California. These gen from California set me thinking of what time I had, at this tlemen speak of that difference, and say the two articles do not period of my life, sullied my soul by.an untruth. compete with each other in any respect whatever. I could not think in advance of the Senator's remarks to what Mr. WHITE, Weraisethe Zantecurrantitselfi.n.California; he referred, but it seems now that he says, ifT.desire to convey Mr. SHERMAN. These gentleman deny that. the impression to the Senate that he spoke differently in Cali Mr. WHITE. Then they do not tell the-truth, for I have some fornia on the stump from what he speaks now, I am incorrect. of them here, and have seen them growing. I understand that this charge, which frightened me-so much, Mr. SHEHMAN. Perhaps the consul-general o~ Greece should of being a prevaricator, ia reduced to this, that if-and there is know as much about that matter qf fact as the Senator from Cal- much virtue in " if," as we all know-i( I charged the Senator ifornja. - with having spoken differently in California oa th.e stump from Mr. WHITE. I would ask the. Senator how that can be, when what he speaks in this Chamber, then I am mistaken, then I am
th.e consul-general is in Greece and I have been in Cali:for:nia, untruthful1 then Lam a.. prevaricator. and aonsequently know that he does not tell the truth. I understood long ago that the Senator from Ca:lifornia, when .Mr. SHERMAN. The Senator has not compared the Zante he stumped the· State in behalioi the Democratic party in the currant of Greece with the Zante currant of California. The recent canva.ss, and bafore lie was elected to the Senate, advo consul-genaTal of _Greece, who is here and has been living in cated free traae; that ne made what wero called free-trade this country, I think would probably know more about that than speeches. all over the State. That is all I said~ except that I the Senator, notwithstanding his knowledge extends to a great have said that he is now here advocating a duty on Zante cur multitude of things. rants.raised. in O.aliforni.a. Lam informed, Mr. President, that Mr. PERKINS. The Senator from Ohio is cer.tainly mis that was precisely the exception that he .made on the stump. taken when he says.thatthese_edless.raisinoi Calilorniadoesnot He pr_eachedfree_trade all over Califoxn.ia, but when he struck compete with the Zante currant, so called in commercial terms. a fruit country he sara, "Of cours-e these are m.y sentiments; We from California know whereof we speak, and the Muscatel, bu.t. still a little duty once in a whlle on fruit will not be ob the .Zinfadel, and the Thompson seedless raisin, and several jectionable (laughter)· and you understand that I shall put no other varieties, are the same variety which is grown in Greece obstacle in the way ofan exc.ep_tion to this doctrine which I am under the name of the Zante currant. As I have endeavored to preaching which-"\cill help your frnit a little in California; for show, without quoting from the different lexicons, what may be of course California is destined to be the great fruit-growing calletiin the island o! Zante, or in Greece, Zante currants, in State of the United States, if not of the world." California are called seedless ra"43ins. The.y are used for the So I understand tnat the Senator talked there exactly as he same purposes, for the purposes of cookery. talks now. He was in favor of free tra.de there upon everything I think the Senator from Missouri will perhaps consent to except the fruit of Califoxn.ia, and he is here now in favor of free change in par&oCI'l'aph 217 the word "Zante" to" dried," for the trade upon everything except the fruit of California, except reason that the currants now come from the island of Cepha and it i.aa very important exception, Mr. President-he votes lonia and Santa Maria and the island of Zante, also from the as the Democratic caucus and the Democratic committee decide coast oi Turkey and from the southern portions of Spain. that he shall vote uponevery question which comes-up in the bill, "Zante currant u is a commercial term; but thei'e is an ambi for the Senator has boasted here that, contrary to his convic guity, perhaps, in the name, and if it is permitted to remainhere tions, he voted for a. duty on aoal and ir.on. Why did the 8.Ema as" Zante, it may confuse some of our appraisers. I hope the tor do that? Does he wish us to understand that he di.d it be from Missouri will change the word "Zante " to cause he is convinced that there ought to be a duty on ao:al and "dried." T.hen there can be no charge that we are discriminat iron? By no means. ing against the island of Zante. . The Senator willadmit that he voted for a duty on coal and One word more in answer to the Senator from Ohio. We are iron because that is the policy of his party, just exactly as he has producing seedless raisins, which grow in great clusters upon told me frequently that the reason he did not let his melliflu our vines, some of the vines producing over 100 pounds of the ous voice resound through this Chamber in this debate was be seedless raisins. In California we get them dried, but they are cause it was the policy of his party not to have any debate on the pure fruit. There is no dir·t amongst them, as there iB in this bill. The Senator simply carried out the decision of his" those which are brought from Italy and Greece in their com own party on coal and iron, and he stands ha.Ea to-day-and I mel~ial product, and yet we sell them in the market here as low aongratulate him on standing here to-day-as consistent-here as as a cent and a half and 2 cents a pound-an article far superior he was in California for being in favor of free trade on every to the Zante currant as known in commerce. Therefore I say thirrg- exceptiaa to the products of his own State. [Laughter.] to my friend from Ohio that California has an area sufficiently Mr. WHITE. I desire to say to the Senator from New Hamp large, and we are setting out more vineyards now from week to shire that I can assure him positively that nevex, even in pri week, and month and year to year, to furnish all the Zante cur vate, shall I accuse him of being a prevaricator., tor it woul.d rants and all the raisins that can be consumed in this country, merely result in a repetition of the- offense, lmd my conscience giving the poor man fine raisins for his puddings, his pies, and will forbid anything of the kind in the future. his cakes. · Mr~ VEST. I simply wanti to correct a statement which I Mr. HOAR. Before the Senator sits down I should like to made to the Senator from Maine n-earest me [MI·. P.RYE], as I do ask him-the reason he stated is a good one-whether it woula not want t make any false impression. I did not do it know ~ot he well to ask the Senate to change the rate instead of ask ingly.. He asked me what woulcL be the effect oi striking out mg the Senator from Missour1 to do it? paragra-ph 2I3a-" Cru~ra:nts', 20 per cent. ad valorem," and I Mr. PERKINS. I stand corrected; but I think a recommen~ told him it would have the effect to aontinue the duty under dation from my friend from Missouri will have more influence, the baake.t.clause. I overlooked the fact that there is a separate perhaps, than one would have coming from me. Thera is more basket clause for the fruit schedule, paragraph 489, -page 101, reason-- which s9.ys: M.r. HOAR. Influence is a. good reason. Fruits, ~e.en,_ ripe,..oc~tied, not.apecia.lly provided tor in. this act. . 1
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So the effect w..ould be to put these ou~ran.ts' on_the free- list. from.Qalifornia I was only endeavoring to prevent dried cur I do not want any misapprehension· about it. _ rants, other than· Zante currants,, being_placed on the free list· Mr. FRYE. Does the Senator mean that they sha.ll be put by giving·them a small ad va.lo:rem.duty of 20 per cent. That· upon. the free list? wasmy proposition. Mr. VEST. Yes. Mr. PERKINS. Tlien· we have the- same object in view. Mr. WHITE. All except dried. _ Mr. DOLPH.. We have the same object in. view, except the Mr. VEST~ 01 course. That does·not affect the provision·as Senator·would like to give a cent and a o.half a pound duty, by to Zante currants or dried currants, but simply the currants· placing·it inparagraph217, and I underst.:'1.lld the Senator from which-come in under the other paragraph. · Missouri has given notice that he does not propose to make that Mr. ALLiSON. I suggest to tha Senator from Missouri that charrge; as coming from the other side of the Chamber at least. it places all dried cur:rants, except Zarrte-- currants, on the free The VICR-PEESIDENT. The question is on the amendment list as well. - proposed by the Senator fr'om Oreg-on [Mr. DOLPH). Mr. VEST: Not if we change-" Zante;" in line 23, of pa.ra- The amendment was rejected. graph 217, to read "including dried currants." Mr. ALDRICH. What is_the'pending proposition, Mr. Presi Me. FRYE. But that has not been changed. dent? Mr. VEST. I propose to do that.. The VICEhPRESIDENT. T.b.e amendment proposed by the Mr; FRYE. That is all right. Senator fromMissouri [Mr. VEST],_which will be stated. Mr.DOLPH. If Zantecurrants are noteucrants, as contended· The-SECRETARY. It is proposed to strike out the following by the Senator from California, they will not be.on the- dutiable paragraph: list at all. 213a. Currants, 20 per cent ad va;lorem.. l\ir. VEST. That is a q~estion between the Grecian.:. consul The VICE-PRESIDENT. The questionis.ontheamendment. general and the Senator from Ca1ifornia [Mr. WHITE], and I am The amendment was agreed to. bound to take the view of the Senator from California, because Mr. LODGE. I no;vdesire to offer the amendment which I he must know. · before attempted to offer. Mr. TELLER. . I shoul
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upon it a high duty of mora than 100percent. I ask for this ar ' Mr. GORDON (when his name was called). I am paired with ticle but 10 per cent duty. It is not an article of general, pop the Senator from Iowa (Mr. WILSON]. ular consumption, but is supplied by these men to manufactur Mr. LODGE (when his name was called). I am paired with ers. Certainly there can be no better case for a direct protec the senior Senator from New York [Mr. HILL]. If he were tion to American wages than is presented here, and involving present I should vote ''yea." no outside question of capital or the profits of manufacturers. Mr. MORRILL (when his name was called). I am paired with The only distinction that I can see is that these men who are the Senator from Florida [Mr. CALL], and therefore withhold enO'aged in this industry along our coast have no Democratic my vote. Se~ator to represent them. Ol course, if that is the decidin.g Mr. QUAY (when his name was called). I inquire if the Sen principle on which this bill is made up, I am aware that thts ator from Alabama [Mr. MORGAN] is recorded as voting? amendment is foredoomed to defeat; but if the principle which The VICE-PRESIDENT. The Senator fpom Alabama is not has just been applied in the case of Zante currants has any eco recorded. nomic Roundness whatever, then it should apply tenfold to the Mr. QUAY. Being paired with that Senator, I withhold my labor of these poor fishermen upon our Northern coast. vote. -..... I will add, Mr. President, that this is the precise duty which The roll call was concluded. is pla.ced upon Florida sponges, gathered in the same way by the Mr. BRICE. I transfer my pair with the junior Senatorfrom same class of men. These simply are Northern fishermen, liv Colorado [Mr. WoLCOTT] to the junior Senator from South Caro- ing along the Northern coast, engaged in the same industry, lina [Mr. IRBY] and vote "nay." _ with no capital but their labor and their boats. Mr. CHANDLER. My pair with the junior Senator from New I ask for a vote on the amendment. York [Mr. MURPHY] is transferred to the Senator from Wash The'VICE-PRESIDENT. The question is on the amendment ington [Mr. SQUIRE], so that the Senator from Virginia [Mr. proposed by the Senator from Massachusetts. DANIEL] and I can vote. I vote "yea." Mr. VEST. Did I understand the Senator to say that $70,000 Mr. DANIEL. I vote "nay." worth of this article was imported? Mr. McMILLAN (after having voted in the affirmative). I Mr. LODGE. I say the value of the product of these men is inquire if the Senator from Louisiana [Mr. BLANCHARD] has $70,000 annually. I did not say anything about what was im voted? ported. I simply stated the value of their product. · The VICE-PRESIDENT. He has not voted. Mr. VEST. The question comes up suddenly, and without any Mr. McMILLAN. Then I withdraw my vote, as I am paired presentation of facts; but I find by the Treasury reports that with that Senator. · only $100 worth came in in 1893. I du not think anybody is suf Mr. GORDON. I transfermypn.irwith the Senator from Iowa fering from that sort of competition. [Mr. WILSONl to the Senator from Kentucky [Mr. LINDSAY) and Mr. LODGE. I will say to the Senator that I take the state vote ''nay." ment of the men engaged in the industry, that they are being The result was announced-yeas 21, nays 29; as follows: pushed and pressed by outside European competition. Mr. DOLPH. What is the present duty? YEAS-21. Mr. LODGE. There is none. It is on the free list as Zante Aldrich. Dubois, Patton, Shoup, currants are on the free list. Allison, Frye, Perkins, Teller, --- .. -, Carey, Gallinger, Pettigrew, Wa:~hburn. Mr. VEST. It has always been on the free list. Chandler, Hale, Platt, Of course, I do not propose to answer what the Senator says Dixon, Hoar, Power, about no Democratic Senator being here to represent these peo Dolph, Manderson, Sherman, ple. Considering what we have done in regard to fish, I do not think that is a very just intimation, because the fish industry is NAYS-29. represented by Republican Senators. I will let that go. Allen. Gibson, Mllls, Turpie, Berry, Gordon, Mitchell, Wis. Vest. This question comes to us suddenly and without any facts, as Blackburn, Harris, Pasco, Voorhees. I st:lted, except the Senator has stated what he believes; but, Brice, Hunton, Peffer, Walsh, as a matter of course, under the circumstances, we can not agree Cockrell, Jarvis, Pu~h, White. Coke, Jones. Ark. Ransom, • to put this article upon the dutiable list. It has not been ex Daniel, Kyle Roach, amined, and the Treasury statistics do not show any such values George. Martin, Smith, as the Senator states, and the article has always been on the free list. . NOT VOTING-35. Mr. LODGE. I stated no value, I will say to the Senator Bate, Faulkner, Lindsay, PalIller, Blanchard, Gorman. Lodge, Proctor, from Missouri, in regard to the importations. I simply stated Butler, Gray, McLaurin, Quay, the c:lse of the men engaged in the industry. Caffery, Hansbrough, McMillan, Squire., Mr. VEST. The point is in regard to his argument as to Call, Hawley, McPherson, Stewart, Camden, Mitchell, Oregon Vilas, the effect of the importation upon the labor of these people. If Cameron, ~fi~ins, Morgan, Wilson, there was only $100 worth came into this country, as a matter of Cullom, lrby, Morrill, Wolcott. course, their labor could not have baen depreciated or their Davis. Jones, Nev. Murphy, product injured in value. There was not enough competition for that. So the amendment was rejected. • Mr.-LODGE. During what y~ar was the hundred dollars' Mr. LODGE. I had not looked up the importations, and I wor imported? should be very glad if the Senator from Missouri would point . VEST. Ei()"hteen hundred and ninety-three. out to me where he finds that the importation of moss, sea moss, r. LODGE. The fiscal year ending July 1? and Iceland moss is only $100. I supposed it had come in under Mr. VEST. The Treasury reports are, of course, for the fis this general head "Mosses: seaweed, and other vegetable sub stances, " by which it appears that they were of the value of cal yer~ ending June 30, 1893, and we have nothing later than that. $22,725 in 1890,$41,461 in 1891, $4:5,557 in 1892, and $49,372 in 1893. Mr. LODGE. I understand that; but I understand from the I did not know that sea or Iceland moss had been separated letter I read that there is an increasing competition, from which and separate amounts given. I should be glad if the Senator these people are suffering. from Missouri would point it out, as I do not wish to be inaccu Mr. VEST. I only spoke from the official statistics. rate. The VICE-PRESIDENT. The questionison the amendment Mr. VEST. I have the statement here, Mr. President, and propoEed by the Senator from Massachusetts [Mr. LODGE]. shall turn to it. - Mr. LODGE. !ask for the yeas and nays. Mr. JONES of Arkansas. Regular order, Mr. President. The yeas and nays were ordered. The VICE-PRESIDENT. The reading of the bill will be re Mr. MILLS. Let the amendment be again stated. sumed. The VICE-PRESIDENT. The amendment will be stated. The Secretary read as follows: The SECRETARY. In pla.ce of paragraph 212, it is proposed to 218. Comfits, sweetmeats, and fruits preserved in sugar, sirup, molasses, or spirits, not specially provided for iu this act, and jellies ot all kiJ:!.ds, 80 insert: per cent ad valorem. Sea moss, or Iceland moss, whether cured or uncured, 10 per cent ad va lorem. Mr. ALLEN. I was necessarily absent from the Chamber at , The VICE-PRESIDENT. The Secretary will call the roll on the time that action was had on paragraph 199, attending to my the amendment. duties as a member of the special investigating committee. I The Secretary proceeded to call the roll. now ask the Senate to return to that part of the bill long enough Mr. CULLOM (when his name was called). I am paired with to enable me. to offer an amendment. - the senior SenatorfromDelaware [Mr.' GRAY]. If hewerepres The VICE-PRESIDENT. Is there objection? ent I should vote "yea." Mr. ALLISON. Let the amendment be-reported. .. 1894. -- CONGRESSIONAL RECORD~SENATE.
The VICE-PRESIDENT. The amendment will be stated. The yeas and nays were ordered, and the Secretary proceeded The SECRETARY. It is proposed to insert as paragr~ph 199!- to call the roll. · Hides and skins, raw or uncured, whether dry, salted, or pickled, except Mr. BRICE (when his name was called). I again transfer my goat skins, 20 per cent ad valorem. pair with the junior Senator from Colorado [Mr. WOLCOTT] to The VICE-PRESIDENT. Is there objection to the request to the junior Senator from South Carolina [Mr. IRBY], and vote of the Senator from Nebraska that the amendment proposed by ''nay." him may be now considered? The Chair hears none, and the Mr. CULLOM (when his name was called). I am paired with question is on the amendment. the Senator from Delaware [Mr. GRAY], who has been called Mr. PLATT. Are not hides now on the free list? away from the Senate for the afternoon. If he were present I 1 Mr. ALLEN. They are on the free list. I desire to say, if should vote '' yea." the Senator will permit me, that we imported last year, exclu Mr. GALLINGER (when his name was called). I am paired sive of goat hides, $14,605,787 worth of hides. The ad valorem with the junior Senator from Texas [Mr. MILLS], who is absent, duty on hides has given us in fact $3,000,000 of revenue, and it and withhold my vote. If he were present I should vote" nay." occurs to me that we ought not to suffer this item of legitimate Mr. GORDON (when his name was called). I transfer my taxation to pass to the free list. It oug-ht to bear a fair propor pair with the Senator from Iowa [Mr. WILSON] to the Senator tion of the taxes imposed by this bill. from Kentucky [Mr. LINDSAY], and -yote "nay.". . I call for a yea-and-nay vote upon the amendment. Mr. McMILLAN (when his name was called). I am pa1red The veas and nays were ordered. with the Senator from Louisiana [Mr. BLANCHARD]; otherwise Mr. CAREY. I only desire to say a word concerning this I should vote '' yea." · amendment. _ Mr. MORRILL (when his name was called). I am paired with In the Rocky Mountain States and Territories, where hides the Senator from Florida [Mr. CALL], and therefore }vithhold are a very valuable product and where a great deal of money my vote. . has been received from them, they are no longer worth the rail Mr. QUAY(when his name was called). I haveageneralpair road tariffs it costs to transport them to the seabm~rd. In the with the Senator from Alabama [Mr. MORGAN], and therefore Argentine Republic thousands of heads of cattle are killed each withhold my vote. If he were present! should vote" yea." year for the hides alone, and the carcasses of the animals go to The roll call was concluded. waste. In the Western country a very large amount of money Mr. LODGE. I desire to announce my pair with the senior that would be received each year for hides is lost because freight Senator from New York [Mr. HILL]. I therefore withhold my charges can not be paid on them. Hides are _an agricultural vote. product, and I can not see why a duty should not be imposed The result was announced-yeas17, nays 27; as follows: upon them so as to enable our people to continue that industry. Mr. DOLPH. I should like to say a word on this amendment. YEA8-17. I understand the eft'ect of it is to put a duty on hides. The only Allen, Dubois, Perkins, Teller, doubt I have in my mind as to how I shall vote is whether it Allison, Kyle, Pettigrew, Washburn. Carey, Manderson, Power, will affect our reciprocity treaties; but as the Senate has already Chandler, Patton, 'Sherman, determined to put a duty on sugar and abrogate those treaties, Dolph, Petrer, Shoup, unon principle I think I shall vote for the amendment. NAYS-27. ·Mr. PLATT. I should'vote for this amendment if I had any Aldrich, Daniel, Jarvis, Roach, assurance that the tariff upon the articles whic4 are manufac Berry, Frye, Jones, Ark. Smith, tured from hides would be correspondingly increased. Boots Blackburn, George, McLaurin, Vest, and shoes, I understand, are now placed at 20 per cent ad va- Brice, Gioson, Mitchell, Wis. Voorhees, Camden, Gordon, Pasco, Walsh, lorem by this bill. · Cockrell, Harris, Pugh, White. It is not fair to put the same duty upon hides which is put Coke, Hoar. Ransom, upon the article which is made from hides. I have no objec NOT VO'l.'ING-41. tion to a duty on hides, except that I should want to know if Proctor, the duty on the manuf~ctured article was going to be somewhat ~f~chard, 8~i~an, ~~~ian, Quay, increased. - Butler, Hale, McPherson, Squire, Mr. MANDERSON. My colleague [Mr. ALLEN] has stated Caffery, Hansbrough, Martin, Stewart, Call, Hawley, Mills, Turpie, the enormous importation of bides and skins to this c,ountry Cameron, Higg.ins, Mitchell, Oregon Vilas, under the present provision. I do not think that anyone can Cullom, Hill Morgan, Wilson, estimate the enormous product of hides in the country west of Davis, Hunton, Morrill, Wolcotu. Dixon, Irby, Murphy, Chicacro, and why it should not be protected I can not imagine. Faulkner, Jones,..N"eV'. Palmer, I shalf certainly vote fol' the amendment proposed by my col Gallinger, Lindsay, Platt, league, and I am glad to have him present it, because I see in his mind, I think, a rising light, which will grow and spread So the amendment was rejected. until he is fully illumined with the protection idea. Mr. HOAR. 1 desire, in regard to the matter which has just been dealt with, to say that we are now having a considerable Mr. ALL~N. I am induced to offer this amendment for the purpose of raising revenue. I had no thought of anything like export trade of boots and shoes. Hides are upon the free list protection in it. I believe hides to be a proper subject of taxa now. Now, if there were a duty upon hides, I suppose the man tion. agers and contrivers of the present tariff expect to retain the I think the Government ought not to let this item of revenue policy of haying a drawbac!r of 99 per cent of the du~ies paid on imported material, so that 1f there were a duty on h1des_the ex· escape. I am induced, in addition to that, to offer the amend \ ment because I know that it is a bait to our protective friends, port trade would not be affected, except to the extent of 1 per and I expect to see every one of them swallow the hook. cent because the manufacturers would get their drawback so far Mr. HOAR. Let the amendment be stated. as they use imnorted hides. --. The VICE-PRESIDENT. The amendment will be stated. So, if the representatives of the cattle-raising portion of the 'f'he Secretary read the amendment proposed by Mr. ALLEN. Union believe a duty on hides is necessary for their interest and Mr. HOAR. I move to amend that amendment by adding: for that product, I shall be prepared to agree to a graduated duty which would give a similar advance in duty on the products of And upon boots, shoes, and oth~r manufactures of leather, 35 per cent ad valorem. leather. My vote' '' nay" just cast was compelled by the refusal So that there will be an advanced duty upon the manufactured of the Senator who made this proposition to permit any corre· articles. sponding advance of duty on the products, so that it would Mr. TELLER. I hope the-senator will do that later. really amount to a blow to an important American industry. I Mr. HOAR. I make the motion now, Mr. President. do not understand that the Senators on this side of the Cham· The VICE-PRESIDENT. The amendmen~ proposed by the ber would refuse to do so. Senator from Massachusetts to the amendment of the Senator Mr. JONES of Arkansas. Regular order. from Nebraska will be stated. The VICE-PRESIDENT. The readingof the bill will be pro The SECRETARY. It is proposed to add to the amendment ceeded with. ,. And upon boot8, shoes, and other manuractures of leather, 35 per cent ad The Secretary read as follows: valorem. 219. Fruits preserved in their own juices, 20 per cent ad valorem. The VICE-PRESIDENT. The question is
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"not"' after the word " shelled" to strike out " 3 cents per Mr. VEST. The Treasury reports show that in regard to vound;' clear almonds, shelled, 5 cents per pound," and insert, these extracts, fluid meat extracts, under the McKinley act the ''or unshelled, 25 per cent ad valorem." rate of duty is 15 cents per pound or 18 per cent ad valorem. We Mr. VEST. The amendment is withdrawn.. · have reported a duty of 20 per cent ad valorem which it is pro Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I withdraw the committee amend- posed to reduce to·15 per cent. There was imported, in 1893, ment. . $30,922worth. All other extracts of beefJ meaning the solid ex The VICE-PRESIDENT. The amendment is w1thdrawn. tracts, under the McKinley act, were 35centsperpoundor17.93 The reading will proceed. per cent ad valorem. We made that duty 20 per cent, which The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: would also be reduced to 15 per cent. The imports for 1893 were $292,270. After we had fixed it one of our Republicttn col 2-22. Filberts and walnuts of all kinas, not shelled, 2 cents per pound; shelled, 4 cents per pound. leagues came to us with facts and representations that induced· us to decrease the duty. The Committee on Finance reported an amendmentoin line His statement was that we had made such advance in these 15 after the. word "kinds," to strike out" not shelled, 2 cents meat extracts that we are able with reduced duty to compete p~pound· shelled, 4 cents per pound," and insert ''35 per cent successfully with all the balance of the world and 'sell the article ad valore~; cream or Brazil nuts, 20 per cent ad valorem." cheaper to our own t>eople. One of the largest packers in the Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I withdraw the amendment~ United States-told me not long since, while discussing the cattle The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows~ question, that he was able now to send his meat extracts to Paris 223. Peanuts or ground bean<>, unsh~lled, 1 cent per pound; shelled, 11 and sell them to the French manufacturers, and that they were cents per pound. then put under their brand. He said that he had obtained after The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para six months' endeavor in Paris an analysis of the Liebig extract, graph 223·" in line 21, after the word "beans," to strike out "un and that he had submitted it to his chemist, to whom he paid a shelled, 1 'cent per pound; shelled, 1t cents per pound," and in- very large salary, I think he said $25,000 a year, and told him sert "20 per cent ad valorem;" so as to read: , . , thathemustmake a better article than the Liebig. He said that after three months' work the man came to him with an extract 223. Peanuts or ground beans, 20 per cent ad valorem. which was now taking the market away even in Europ3 from The amendment was agreed to. ' the French manufacturers. I give the statement for what it is .- The Seoretary read the next paragraph, as follows: worth. If I were to mention the name it would be recognized 22!. Nuts of all kinds, shelled or unshelled, not specially provided for in as thatr of a man of national celebrity. this a.ct, 1 cent per pound. Mr. MANDERSON. The Senator from Missouri understands, I think, from my conversation had with him within a day or two, The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para that this 111llguage would mean both the solid and the fluid ex graph 224 page 50, line 1, after the word "act," to strike out tract of meat~ "one cent' per t>Ound" and insert" 20 per cent ad valorem." ~ Mr. VEST. I think so. The way we have it here it includes The amendment was agreed to. all. The Secretary read as follows: Mr. MANDERSON. I call his attention to the fact that the Meat products: solid extract of meat has heretofore had an ad valorem rate of The Committee on Finance reported as an additional para 20 per cent. There was imported in 1893 $14:0,773 worth of the graph: .fluid extract, which, as he savs, has an ad valorem or l7 .95 per 224!. Fresh beef, mutton, and pork, 25 per cent ad valorem. cent, which is nearly 18 per cent. There was imported $294,174 worth, making close on to a. half million dollars of these ex Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I move to amend the amendment tracts. by striking out" twenty-five" and inserting "twenty." Mr. VEST. The Senator has reversed the duties. On the Mr. HOAR. I wish to ask the committee if they understand .fluid extract the ad valorem is 18 per cent. that they have made any special provision in the bill for lamb Mr. MANDERSON. I say the .fluid extract was 18 per cent. as distinguished from mutton? Mr. VEST. And on the other it is 17.93. Mr. VEST. No, sir; not that I know of. Mr. MANDERSON. Seventeen and ninety-five one-hun- Mr. HOAR. Does the Senator understand that the word dreths. "mutton "includes lamb? Mr. VEST. Seventeen and ninety-three one-hundredths. Mr. VEST. I think so. Mr. MANDERSON. On the solid extract it was 20 per cent. Mr. HOAR. Would it not be well to make that clear? Mr. VEST. No; 17.93 per cent Mr. VEST. All meat of the sheep, I understand, is mutton. Mr. MANDERSON. I turn to this autbority-- Mr. ALLISON. It is the same as in the McKinley act. Mr. ALLISON. To what year does the Senator refer? Mr. FRYE. The word" lamb" never has been inserted. Mr. MANDERSON. Eighteen hundred and ninety-three, The VICE-PRESIDENT. The question is on agreeing to the page 613 of Imports and Exports. amendment of the Senator from Arkansas to the amendment of the committee. Mr. VEST. What was the amount of imports for that year? The amendment to the amendment was agreed to. Mr. MANDERSON. The imports of solid extracts of meat The amendment as amended was agreed to. for the year 1893 were $140,773, the duty being ad valorem 20 per The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: cent. The importations of .fluid extract of meat in 1893 were 150,872 pounds, worth $294,127, with an ad valorem rate of 17 .95, 225. Extract of meat, 20 per cent ad valorem. or about 18 per cent. Now, with this immense importation, even Mr JONES of Arkansas. I move to strike out" twenty" and at the rate of 18 and 20 per cent ad valorem, it certainly seems 1 insert" fifteen. ' to me that the rate proposed by the other House and agreed to Mr. MANDERSON. I hope that will not be done. It is true by the Committee on Finance should not be changed in this very that we have been importing a large amount of meat extract sudden and unexpected fashion. It looks to me like an effort to into this country which is known as the Liebig beef extract, and protect Liebig and Liebig's agents in this country rather than for a number of years, because of the excellence of that article, those who produce these extracts in this country. it seemed to have a monopoly of .the American market, but we Mr. VEST. If the Senator will look at the Treasury reports h a-ve very lately outstripped Europe in the production of meat of Imports and Exports, page 613, he will see he is mistaken extracts, particularly extract of beef. The great packing houses about the ad valorem duty on fluid extract. of Chicago, Kansas City, and Omaha are producing to-day a far Mr. MANDERSON. I take it from that report. better article of meat extract, beef extract, than can be produced Mr. ALLISON. If the Senator from Missouri will look at anywhere in the world. There was at one time the production page 614 he will see t]le ad valorem under the duty of 35 cents, of a beef extract in Richmond, Va., I think. It was most excel which was fixed in the McKinley act, is 17.95, as stated by the lent, and rivaled somewhat Liebig's meat extract. Senator from Nebraska. This industry is one worthy of maintenance. I hope the com Mr. MANDERSON. There is no doubt about it. mittee will not lower the ad valorem rate that was fixed by the Mr. VEST. There is no doubt about it. But on the next other House. I took occasion within a few days to see one of page he will find fluid extracts 18.01. the members of the committee in charge of the bill with refer Mr. ALLISON. I submit that this difference between 17.95 ence to this. it~m, and to know whether it certainly included and 18.01 per cent is so small that we had better leave it at 20 both the sohd and the fluid extract of meat, and was told there per cent, and if our people can compete with. the others there could be no doubt about that proposition. I am somewhat sur will be no harm dohe. · prised at this proposition, coming from the committee without Mr. PLATT. I do not know about the statistics, but in the notice, to lower the ad valorem duty upon this extract. It is reportwhichtheCommittee on Finance has given us the impor ·r pne that the West is particularly concerned in, and I hope that tations are divided into three parts. the blow will not be given it in this very unexpected fashion. Mr. ALLISON. That is under the old law.
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Mr. PLATT. Extra.cts of meat, fluid, and extracts of m-eat all enterprise was a new one. and was for a time modera.tely successfuL We gave employmen1i to some 250 men. At that time we were protected by a others, and the importatious of_ fluid extract is as was stated by duty o! 15 cents per pound on the imported article. We continued to con the Senator from .Missouri, only $30,000 for 1893 in this state duct our business successfully until this duty was taken off, when we found ment. that we were utterJy unable to do so longer at a profit, and about a year ago we were compelled to abandon the business altogether, since which time Mr. ALLISON. If the Senator will turn to the next page he our plant and the capital invested has been idle, and will be worthless unless willsee-- · we are enabled to resume. Mr. PLATT. Those, I suppose, are solid extracts. The im The albumen of commerce iS manufactured in France, Germany, and Eng ports under 11 all others" were $294,127.88, but the imports oi::fluid Ian~, a~d is an art~cle the chief cost of which is comprised in the labor en· te~rng mto it. Owmg to the higher rates at which labor is compensated in extracts I think were only $30,000., according to this statement. this country we are entirely unable, unaided by a protective duty, to com The VICE-PRESIDENT. The question is on agreeing to the pete with the chllau iabor of the foreign manufacturer. A moderate duty, say lii cents per paund, the rate at which the imported article was taxed amendment proposed by the Senator from Arkansas. when we began our business, would give us this protection, enable us to re Mr. MANDEHSON. I ask for a division on the question. S?me, reemptoy our labor, and look forward to a competition '''ith the for Mr. JONES of Arkansas. Let us have the yeas and nays. eign manufacturer, under not altogether unfavorable conditions. We respectfully request your attention to this matter, and that you prop The yeas and nays were ordered, and the Secretary proceeded erly bring it before Congress. to call the roll. Very respectfully, yours, Mr. CULLOM (when his name was called). I am paired with CRAVEN & CO. Hon. JOHN H. KETCHAM, M. 0.1 the senior Senator from Delaware [Mr. GRAY], who is called out Washin,i1ton. D. 0. of the Chamber. If he were present I should vote" nay·." Mr. GALLINGER (when his name was called),. I again an This article being on the free list continued an article of ex nounce my pairwith thejuniorSen:atorfromTexas [Mr. MILLS]. tensive importation. In 1875 $650,000 worth was imported. It .., If he were present I should vote '' nay." ranged differently in different years, and last year nearly $200,- Mr. GORDON (when his name was caJled). I transfer my 000 worth of this article was imported from France, Germany, pair with the Senator from Iowa (Mr. WILSON] to the Senator and England. . In the great stock yards of the West this is be from Kentucky [Mr. LINDS.AYJ, and vote'-' yea." gi:iming to be one of their items of industry. No part of the steer Mr. McMILLAN (when his name was called). I ag.ain an which is conducted into these great slaughtering houses, it is nounce my pair with the Senator from Louisiana [Mr. BLAN said~ is allowell to escape~ except. perhaps his bellow before his CHARDl. death. Among other items that they have gone into is the man Mr. MORRILL (when his name was called)~ lam paired with ufactureof blood albumen. IhaveherealetterfromtheUudahy Packing Company, at South Omaha, Nebr., a very extensive in the Senator from Florida [Mr. CALL] 1 and withhold my vote. Mr. QUAY (when his name was called). ram paired with the stitution, having works also, I think, at both Chicago and Kansas Sen~tor from Alabama [Mr. MORGAN]. City. Tlley say as to blood albumen- The roll call was concluded. Both the McKinley and the Wilson tariffs put albumen on the 1'1·ee list. Mr. HIGGINS. I again announce my pair with the senior The reason it was put on the free list under the McKinley tariff was un Senator from New Jersey [Mr. McPHERSON], and I .shall not an doubtedly from the fact that there-was no Am.erican producer- nounce it for the rest of the day. The only American producer, this one in Jersey City, having Mr. LODGE. I am paired with the Senator from New York been squeezed out by placing blood albumen upon the free list [Mr. HILL], and shall not announce it again during the day. 'It we being the first to manufacture blood albumen successfully 1h this coun will stand for the afternoon. try. We are to-day turning out the finest albumen that is offered in the I I market, but are unable to get a. price for it that will enable us to success Mr. McMILLAN. shall vote to make a quorum. vote fully continue its manufacture, as the writer told you a few days ago-in "nay." • Wa-shington- Mr. QUAY. For the purpose of making a quorum Iwill take the liberty oi voting. I vote "nay." This letter being addressed to me- The result w:as announced-yeas 24, nays 19; as follows~ he had just sold 2 tons that would not yield the cost of production. Under these circumstances we believe even your Democratic friends will YEAS-24. see the justice of giving us an ad valorem duty ot at least 25 per cent so that the industry can be continued and our factory kept running. We have a Berry, Gibson, McLaurin, Smith, large capacity even now, and are contemplating an increase to produce Blackburn, Gordon, Martin, Turpie, about one· half or the present importations, and can do this if we have a Camden, Harris, Pasco, Vest, moderate protection. Cockrell, Hunton, Pugh, Voorhees, Coke, Jarvis, Ransom, Walsh, It seems to me that under this showing there certainly should George, Jones, Ark. Roach, White. be an ad valorem rate that is fair upon this industry, once de NAYS-19. stroyed, ready to be resurrected if fair protection is afforded. Aldrich, Dolph, Manderson, QuaY. Mr. VEST. I havesimply to say that this article has been on Allison, Dubois, Patwn, Shoup, the free list since 1871. Carey, Frye, Peffer, Teller, It Chandler, Hoar, Perkins, Washburn. Mr. MANDERSON. Yes. was not manufactured in this Dixon, McMillan, Pettigrew, country. NOT VOTING-42. Mr. VEST. Prior to that time it had upon it a duty of 35per cent ad valorem. It was put upon the free list in the McKinley Allen, Faulkner, ~yle, Platt, Bate, Gallinger, Lindsay, Power, act, and we do not feel inclined to put a duty upon it now. Blanchard, Gorman, Lodge, Proctor, _ The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. BLACKBURN in the chair). Brice, Gray, McPherson, Sherman. The question is on agreeing to the amendment proposed by the Butler, Hale, Mills, Squire, Cafrery, Hansbrough, Mitchell, Oregon Stewart, Senator from Nebraska. Call, Hawley,. Mitchell, Wis. Vilas, Mr. MANDERSON. I ask for the yeas and nays. Cameron, Higgins, Mor"an, Wilson, The yeas and nays were ordered, and the Secretary proceeded Cullom, Hill, Morrill, Wolcott. Daniel, Irby, Murphy, to call the roll. Da>is, Jones, Nev. Palmer, Mr. GALLINGER (when his name was called). I aga.in an nounce my pairwiththejuniorSenat.orfrom Texas [Mr. MILLS]. So the amendment was agreed to. If he were present I should vote "yea." Mr. MANDERSON. I wish to give notice that the last amend Mr. McMILLAN (when his namewas called). I announce my ment is one of the numerous amendments adopted in Committee pair with the Senator from Louisiana [Mr. BLANCHARD]. of the Whole, upon which a separate vote will be demanded in Mr. QUAY (when his name was called). I am paired with the the Senate. I offer the following to come in as paragraph 225t: Senator from Alabama [Mr. MORGAN]-. 225!. Blood albumen, 25 per cent ad valorem. The roll call was concluded. .· Mr. President, albumen was at one timt} not made in this Mr. CAFFERY. · I am paired with the Senator from Mon." cou~try at all. Upon it for a number of years .there was a duty tana [Mr. POWER]. I transfer my pair to the Senator from of 2o per cent ad valorem. In 1871 there was Imported, it hav South Carolina [Mr. lRBY], and vote" nay." ing been placed upon the free list that year, $122,773 worth. Mr. CULLOM. I have a general pair with the Senator from The next year, or that year perhaps, by a change in the law Delaware fMr. GRAYj. I transfer my pair to the Senator from 25 per cent ad valorem was placed upon it, and the importation Maine [Mr. H.ALE], and vote" yea." fell from $122,000 worth to $329 worth. So it was practically ex Mr. PLATT. I am paired with the Senator from Virginia cluded from this country. The reason for it appears in a letter [Mr. HUNTON], who has been called from the Chamber, or I which I find, dated J"anuary 19, 1889, signed by Craven & Co. should vote 11 yea." -. who did business at Jersey City, N • .J. This was to Mr. Ketch~ 1\fr. McMILLAN. Iamauthorized tovote to makeaquorum~ am, a member of Congress: - I vote ''yea." - JERSEY CITY, N. J., Janua1'1J 19, 1889. Mr. GORDON. I transfer my pair with the Senator from DEAR Sm: In 1871 we began the manufacture of albumen -at the stock Iowa{Mr. WILSON] to the Senator from Kentucky [Mr. LIND yards m Jer;;ey City from the blood of th.e.an1m.als slaughtered there. The SAY], and vote" nay." 6056 CONGRESSION~ ·REOORD-SENATE. JuNE 9,
The result was announced-yeas 18, nays 27; as follows: The amendment was agreed to. _ . The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: . YEA8-18. 230. Cocoa butter or cocoa. butterine, 3} cents per pound. Allison, Dubois, Morrill, Shoup, Carey, Fry~. Patton, Teller, The Committee on Finance reported an amendment in para Cullom, Hoar, PeJ'fer, Washburn. Dixon, McMillan, Perkins. graph 230, line 9, after the word "butterine," to strike out ''three Dolph, Manderson, Pettigrew, and one-half cents per pound," and insert "fifteen per cent ad valorem." NAYS-27. Mr. JONES of Arkansas. The amendment is withdrawn. Berry, Daniel, Kyle, Smith, The_Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: Blackburn, George, McLaurirt. Turpie, CaJ'fery, Gibson, Martin, · Vest, 231. Dandelion root and acorns prepared, and other...articles used as cof Call, Gordon, Pasco, Voorhees, fee, or as substitutes tor coJ'fee, not especially provided for in this act li Camden, Harris, Pugb, Walsh, cents per pound. ' Cockrell, Jarvis, Ransom, White. Coke, Jones, Ark. Roach. The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to pat·a graph 231, line 13, after the word" at," to strike out" It cents NOT VOTING-40. per pound" and insert "30 per cent ad valorem." Aldricll;' Gallinger, , Jones, Nev. Platt, Mr. JONES of Arkansas. The amendment is withdrawn. Allen, Gorman, Lindsay, Power, Bate, Gray, Lodge, Proctor, The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: Blanchard, Hale. McPherson, Quay, 232. Starch, including all preparations, from whatever substance pro Brice, Hansbrough, Mills, Sherman, duced, commonly u&ed as starch, 1 cent per pound. Butler, Hawley, Mitchell, Oregon Squire, Cameron, Higgins, Mitchell, Wis. Stewart, Chandler, Hill, Morgan, Vilas, The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para Davis. Hunton, Murphy, Wilson, graph 232, after the word '' starch," in line 17, to strike out '' 1 Faulkner, Irby, Palmer. Wolcott. cent per pound" and insert" 30 per cent ad valorem." So the amendment was rejected. Mr. JONES of Arkansas. The amendment is withdrawn. Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I move to insert as a new para- Mr. FRYE. The amendment as it appears in the bill is" 2 graph: cents a pound," and before the Senator from Arkansas with draws it and leaves the rate 1 cent per pound, I desire to be 225!. Lard, 1 cent per potmd. h eard. The amendment was agreed to. Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I have no doubt that the print as Mr. JONES of Arkansa.s. I move to insert as a new para_. it appears here is a mistake of mine. I do not think the com graph: mittee ever- intended to change the rate as it is fixed in the bill 225l. Meats of all kinds, prepared or preserved, not specially provided for as it came from the other House. I have no doubt that I gave in this act, 20 per cent ad valorem. it to the clerk, who prepared the amendment and had it printed and I wish to take the responsibility of that mistake. I do not The amendment was agreed to. propose to offer the amendment. Of course the Senator from The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: Maine can make his remarks. 2'2-6. Poultry, 2 cents per pound; dressed, 3 cents per pound. Mr. FRYE. Mr. President, I desire to say a few words to the The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para Senate in relation to this matter. It is a very important one. graph 226, line 11, after the word" poultry," to strike out" 2 The northeastern county of the United States is a fine agricul cents per pound; dressed,3 cents per pound,"and insert," dressed tural county, singularly enough, considering the cold climate. or undressed, 20 per cent ad valorem." Not long ago it was .a forest, but energetic, determined men Mr. JONES of Arkansas. The committee amendment is with we!lt there, felled the trees, and converted the forest into farms. drawn. It IS to-day as prosperous a county a.s there is in the State of The PRESIDING OFFICER. The amendment is withdrawn. Maine, and growing in population more rapidlv than any other. The reading will proceed. Of course it cannot raise wheat, because it cannot compete with The Secretary read as follows: the West, though it has as good wheat lands as there are in the West. Miscellaneous products: It can not raise corn, because the climate is too cold. It. can 227. Chicory root, burnt or roasted, ground or granulated, or in rolls, or otherwise prevared, and not specially provided for in this act, 2 cents per raise oats. The Senate has put oats on the free list. That pound. • county is hugged right in by Canada. It can raise buckwheat. The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para The Senate has put buckwheat on the free list. It has immense graph 7, after the word ''act," to strikeout '' 2 cents per pound " s~ores of lumb~r .. 'rhe Senate has placed lumber on the free and insert': 30 per cent ad valorem." llst. Its hay crop 1s abundant, but the dutv on that is reduced Mr. JONES of Arkansas. The amendment is withdr·awn. one-half. The pending bill threatens ruin to that county as Tlle Secretary read the next paragra.ph, as follows: prosperous as it is. It raises enormous crops of potatoes. Judge Peters, formerly one oi the members of the House of Represen 228. Chocolate, andsweet.ened chocolate, worth not exceeding 35 cents per tatives, declared that the potatoes of Aroostook County were pound, 2 cents per pound; chocolate confectionery, 25 per cent ad valorem. the peach crop of Maine, and to the potato Aroostook County The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para owes much of its prosperity. graph 228, before the word'' not," in line 21, to strike out" worth" Aroostook County up to a year ago could not reach the New and insert" valued at;" and in line 22, after word "pound," to York market by railroad without goin&' through a foreign co. un strike out" 2 cents per pound" and insert "10 per cent ad va try. As a matter of course, only the selected potatoes 'could be lOl·em;" so as to read: sent to Boston or New York. The freight charges would abso lutely prevent marketing the _average product. In 1873 a bright Chocolate, and sweetened chocolate, valued at not exceeding 35 cents per pound, 10 per cent ad valore~; chocolate confectionery, 25 per cent ad va· Yankee started a starch mill in Aroostook, and to-day there are lorem. forty-five starch mills there, brought near to these farmers within h a.uli~g distance. They consumed last year 2,500,000 Mr. JONES of Ark!l.nsas. This and the following paragraph I bushels, ywldmg to the farmers 20 cents a bushel, giving to the propose to have considered together, and I ask the Secretarv to county much of the prosperity it enjoys to-day. read the next paragraph before action is taken upon paragraph The same is true of Northern Minnesota and Morthern New 228. . York, though not to an equal extent. It is true in one or two The PRESIDING OFFICER. If there be no objection the other portions of the North bordering on Canada, that they. are Secretary will read the succeeding paragraph. using their potatoes for starch. These potatoes anless so used The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: - are. utterly worthless. With a duty of 2 cents a pound those fac 229. Cocoa, prepared or manufactured, not specially provided for in this tories can pay 20 cents a bushel for potatoes and continue this act, 2 cents per pound. prosperity in that section of the country. Now, no man has asked that the duty on starch shall be reduced. Under the act The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para of 1883 the duty was 1 cent a pound and 20 per cent ad valerem; gr~ph 229, aUer the word "at," to strike out "2 cents per in the Mills bill2 cents a pound. In 1890 it was made 2 cents a pound," and insert" 5 per cent ad valorem.' pound, and yet here it is proposed to reduce it 50 per cent, and Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I move to strike out both of these drive the industry from the country. paragraphs and insert ln lieu of them: : Mr. Presi
1894·. CONGRESSIONAL ·RECORD-_ SENAT·E. 6057 from Providence, R. I., has been here demanding that this re Mr. FRYE. I mean to say exactly this, that as we are leftto duction be made. I will also give the actual cost a -hundred day, withbuckwheatonthefreelist, oats on thefreelist,wi.than pounds. utter impossibility to raise wheat in competition with the great STARCH. · West, and a climate that will not permit them to raise one sin Cost of a ton delivered in Providence, R.I.: . ·' · . gle hill of corn, potatoes are their main crop, and if they_can Man·ufacturing and casks ____ ------:-_.. ------$11. oo · not convert these potatoes into starch a serious blow has fallen upon Aroostook County so far as its agricultural industry is 223 bushels potatoes, at 20 cents------=------· 45.00 concerned. - The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chair states to the Sena ~ci:~!sio;; ~ ~ ======: ==:: =:::::::::: : =:: :: ::: :· . ~: ~g tor from Maine that his ten minutes have expired. 64.60 Mr. VEST. Our friend from Maine fo-rgets, possibly in his At 3i cents a pound ___ ---: ______: ______- ___ ------67.50 enthusiasm he overlooks, the fact that we increased the duty, upon potatoes 5 cents on the bushel. · Mr. ALLISON. From the bill as it came from the· ot~er Profit, less insurance, taxes, and interest------_ 2. 90 House. It takes 12 bushels of potatoes to make 100 pounds of Mr. VEST. From the bill as it caine from the other House. starch--20 cents------2.40 The House of Representatives sent the bill here with a duty of Cost of manufacturing ___ - --_- _- _------_- _------30 10 cents, and we made it 15 cents. The statistics show that in Commission and freight _. _____ . _____ . ___ - ______40 1891 there was exported 12,883,821 pounds of starch, worth $4(5,- 817. In 1892 the exports increased 8,000,000pounds to 20,081,027, ·. Package------; ------15 worth $612,531. In 1893 the increase continued to 21,938,456 Total. ______·_..______. __ _,___ • _ _ 3. 25 pounds, worth $707,093. The imports were $89,249. So, speak 7 ing of the starch industry of the whole United States, it seems The PRESIDING OFFICER. The time of the Senator from not only to have held its own, but to have gone out and taken Maine has expired. . possession of some of the foreign makets. I think, or rather I Mr. GEORGE. I ask that the Senator's time be extended. hope, because I have no local acquaintance that would justify Mr. ALLISON. I ask unanimous consent that the Senator in speaking as to that particularcemnty, that the decrease of the from Maine be allowed to proceed. duty will not cause the distress and ruin which my friend from Mr. VEST. Certainly. Maine seems to imagine. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without·objection, the Senator Mr. FRYE. I do not make any guess about it. I know just from Maine will proceed. what it is, and I have given what the starch costs the people up , Mr. FRYE. Last year the price of starch was 4t to 4i cents. there. Let me say right there that the increased duty on po This year, from 3i to3t. Starchcan beimportedfromGermany tatoes does not have any effect up in the northeastern pa~t of for $1.85 per hundred pounds. Add the duty as proposed by.the the country. Nobody exports potatoes to Aroostook County, House of Representatives to the cost of starch from Germany, and the difficulty with Aroostook County farmers coming into and it makes $2.40 as thecostof 100 pounds of starch. Youmay Bo:;ton and New York with potatoes is that freights are so :figure it as you please, at that cost you can not pay but 8 cents a enormous that they can not do it at much of a profit. The only bushel for potatoes. . thing to do is to make the ordinary potatoes into starch. Suppose you adopt the duty of 1 cent which the Senator from Mr. VEST. But to show our Northern friends that we are Arkansas proposes. Then you can not pay but 10 cents a bushel not quite so black in this sectional matter as we are painted, I for potatoe3, and it is simply a question whether this industry will move to make it H cents per pound. shall be destroyed. That is all it is. It involves its utter de Mr. FRYE. I am greatly obliged to the Senator from Mis struction. Now, why should this be done to these farmers up souri. I think that will preserve to these people up there this, there? Do they deserve this treatmentatourhands? They are to them, valuable industry. splendid men, hard-working, intelligent, and patriotic, deserv The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on agreeing to ing from us good and not ill. · the amendment of the Senator from Missouri, which will be . A few years ago all the glucose in the world was made from stated. potato starch in Germany, and we imported it. To-day we make The SECRETARY. In paragrapli 232, line 18, after the words 1t from corn, and beat the world. That is what makes German "one cent," insert" and one-half cents;" so as to read" H cents starch so low. That is why they can send it here for. $1.85. per pound." · There are 135 potato-starch factories in this country; 45 in The amendment was agreed to. Maine, 20 in New Hampshire, 50 in New York, 10 in Minnesota, The Secretary read as follows: 4 or 5 in Wisconsin, 2 or 3 in North Dakota. · , 233. Dextrine, burnt starch, gum sabstitute, or British 'gum, l cent per ·Mr. President, we have protected industries in other sections pound. of this country. We have permitted them to live. I do not wish· to make a sectional speech, nor to 'indulge. in sectional The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para talk, but if this commends itself to the Senators on the other graph 233, to strike out "1 cent per pound" in -line 21 and in- side of the Chamber; if they believe that this industry in this sert "30 per cent ad valorem." ...... --- country ought to be preserved, ought surely to vote their judg Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I withdraw the amendment. ' I ments in the matter, and not submit to caucus control. I. sup move to strike o~t "1 cent " and insert "H cents," so as to read: posed the matter was adjusted with the committee. I called Drextine, burnt starch, gum substitute, or British gum, 1l cents per pound. their attention to it a long while ago. Filed a brief with them, and saw this result on the bill, of 2 cents a pound, and of course The amendment was agreed to. had a·right to think it settled. · Now, if they can not permit us The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: to have 2 cents a pound, why can they .not allow us H cents a 234. Mustard, ground or :preserved, in bot tles or otherwise, 10 cents per pound, the lowest duty ever had on starch? We can live, pound. squeeze through, on one cent and ahalf. · · · The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para Why can not the committee consent to a duty of H cents, and gr-aph 234; in line 24, after the word "otherwise," to strike out let us live, instead of by this move of theirs made to-day ut "10 cents per pound " and insert" 25 per cent ad valorem." terly destroy us? . I feel very much in earnest in this matter. Mr. JONES of Arkansas. The amendment is withdrawn. We in Maine are being.hurt tremendously by the bill, and espe- The next amendment of the Committee on Finance was to in cially in the northeastern part of th~ State. - sert as an additional paragraph: Mr. GEORGE. I desire to ask the Senator from Maine aques tion. 234}. Orchids, lily of the val ley, azaleas. palms, and other plants used tor forcing under glass for cut flowers or decorative vurposes, 10 per cent ad . The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator from Maine valorem. yield to the Senator from Mississippi? , Mr. FRYE. With pleasure. . The amendment was agreed to. ' Mr. GEORGE. What other agricultural products have the The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: people of that country· on which to make a profit if the potato 235. Spices, ground or powdered, not specially provided for iri this act, 3 industry is destroyed?· cents per pound; capsicum or red pepper, 2! cents per pound, unground; ·Mr. FRYE. They have hay, oats, buckwheat, barley; butyou sage, 1 cent per pound. have placed these on the free list, all but barley. . ':the Committee on Finance reported an amendment to. para,., Mr. GEORGE. .Does the Senator mean to say that ii they are graph 235; in line 5, after the word ; ' powdered," to strike out not allowed to have this tax upon potatoes and starch ·the whole " not specially provided for in this act, 3 cents per pound;" in agricultural industry of that country will be destroyed? line 8, after the word "pepper," to strike out 11 2t cents per
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pound;" in line 9, after the word "sage," to str-ike out "1 cent ing interests of this country, as our millers are absolutely de· per pound 'r and insert " 30 per cent ad valorem;" so as to make prived of th_ese markets for the purchase of their flour. For in· the paragraph read; stance, Germany imposes a duty of 3 marks (72 cents) per hundred kilos (220 pounds) of wheat, while the duty on :flour is 235. Spices·, ground or powdered; capsicum or red pepper, unground; sage, 7 marks ($1.68) to 100 kilos. This is, as intended, a discrimi 30 per cent ad valorem. nating and in fact a prohibitory duty against the importation Mr. JONES of Arkansas. The amendment ia withdrawzr. of flour. A duty of 4markswould afford German millers rela The Secretary read the next paragraph, as follows: tively ample protection. Seven marks becomes absolutely pro 236. Vinegar, 7} cents per gallon. The standard for vinegar shall be taken hibitory. Other continental countries either have, or their to be that strength which requires 35 grains of bicarbonate of potash to legislative bodies are now engaged in the adoption of, tariffs neutralize 1 ounce troy of vinegar. more hostile to American milling and American grain than even The Committee on Finance reported an amendment to para Germany. graph 236; in line 12, to strike out " 7t cents per gallon. The It is only during the last winter that measures have been pre standard for vinegar ehall be tak~n to be that stren~th which sented in the French Chamber of Deputies looking to a further .... requires 35 grains of bicarbonate of potash to neutralize 1 ounce increase in duties on all our grain and grain products, notwith troy oi vinegar.," and insert " 20 per cen.t ad valorem;, so as to standing the liberal legislation proposed in the Wilson bill, so re~: - far as its effects on French importations to this country are con cerned. There seems to me no good reason why the people of Vinegar, 20 per cent ad valorem. this country who are importing so enormously of the products Mr~ JONES of Arkansas. Thecommitteeamendmentiswith- of Continental Europe, especially in the way of luxuries and d~~ - goods that we could well dispense with, why we should be ab Mr. CAREY. I propose two amendments to the pending bill, solutely shut out from sending to them some portion of our sur which I ask to have printed. plus breadstuffs. The PRESIDING OFFICER: The amendments will be Why, should we not be permitted to pa.yfor our champagne printed, and lie on the table. and wines and brandies and silks and other luxuries or non Mr. WASHBURN. I offered an amendment some days ago essentials, with our wheat and :flour rather than in gold. This to come in at the end of this schedule. I should like to have it while it may not be free trade, it would certainly be fair trade. read.. - So far as our own people are concerned, by the adoption of this The SECRETARY. At the end of ScheduleGadd the following amendment: they would be deprived of none of the necessat:ies proviso: of liJe. It would at the most only increase the prices and cur Pro11ided, That if it shall at any time appear to th&President ot the United tail the consumption of articles of voluntary use and luxuries; States that the government. of any conntry productng and exporting the ar but to the exporting country the loss would be irreparable. ticles and products hereinafter enumerated imposes discriminating or pro hibitory duties or other exactions UJlOn grain or the products of grain, or upon I desire to suggest that this proposition involves nothing new other agricultural products of the United States, be shall have the power, in our legislative policy, whether from one party standpoint or the and-it is hereby made his duty, to certify to the Secretary of the Treasury other. Legislation of the same character was enacted in the the fact of the imposition by sucli government of discriminating or prohib Fifty-first Congress on the bill introduced and championed by itory duties or other exactions upon grain or the products of gx:ain, or upon other- agricnltural products of the United Stiates, and thereupon, and so Senator VEST, in the act of Congress providing for an "Inspec long as such discriminating or prohibitory duties or exactions are main tion of meats for exportation and prohibiting the importation of tained, the Secretary o!. the Treasury shall levy and collect additional and discriminating
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Germany supplies us with most of our toys· and goods of that de hihito.ry duties in the interests of their manufacturing indus aaription, as well as the greater portion oi bone and ivory named tries: in this amendment, and the other schedule would apply espec Forei(Jn import dutiea on corn and flour. ially to France and Germany. GEIUUNY. to-day is 8. a. eta The milling industry on-a oi the most important as Wheat ...... •.••.. ______.••• ------___ ···-----•••••••••• cwt .• 1 wcll as mostexteD.Bi.veof the Amedcanindustries. If an amend Rye ..•••••.••...... ____ ...••. ______.....• ______••••. ____ •...do ...• 1 9t= 43i ment of this characte:r is not adopted the American miller will Oats .•••• ·------do __ 1 ~~gt have to stand by and see his raw material (wheat) taken from Buckwheat------·------·------.••. do_ ___ 1 Pulse •••..•.•.•.. ____ .. --·------••.•••.•.• ____ ---- ~ ----- .•.. do ..•• 0 him for manufacture into flour and sale in a.market forwhich he Barley ..••.•.....•.••••• : ••••••••••• ____ .••..• ------.• ____ ..••••do .•.• 1 ~m is excluded by discriminating and prohibitory legislation, while M.a.ize ------••••••••do •••• 0 gt~ 19l we are taking from the same country millions of their l)roduets Other descriptions. of grain not separately mentioned. ___ _do ...• 0 6= 12 Millers' products o! grain and pulse, i.e., hulled or pearled without which we could well get along. grain., pearled barley groats, meal, and flour :f BF92 I have obtained and would call attention to the Senate to some ------·------CWt ... statistical data furnished by the Northwestern Miller.. a paper FRANCE. published in my own State, which show at a glance the mttent Ingrain: . and importance of the milling industries of the United States. The exportations of wheat flour from the United States in the la.st four years are as follows: . ~~~i~~~~~~~~~~ff~E~~/¥~~~H:~~JE: Wheat, spelt and mesltn., crushed or as grist contain.lng more J.'i i than lOper cent of flour ______cwt... 4 5i=1n. Value o1 !Flour .in Value o! Year ending June 30- Wheat in bushels. wheat. ba.rrels. fi
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pair with the Senator from Iowa [Mr. WILSON] to·tJie- 8ena~r an excuse· for the ·reduction of.tliese duties upon French bran from Kentucky [Mr. LINDSAY], and vote "nay." dies, Scotch whiskies, cordials, and articles of that kind. I do · Mr. HIGGINS {when his name was called). I am paired with notintendto take up the time of the Senate atanygreatlength, the Senator from New Jersey [Mr. MCPHERSON]. I sl_lould be but the party responsible ~or these reductions will certainly have glad to transfer my pair if I can make an arrangement with to answer to the people for their action to-day. someone on the other side of the Chamber. · · - Mr. VEST. We will take that responsibility. We did this Mr. PLATT (when his name was called). I am paired with deliberately, and I think we had the best reasons in the world. the Senator from Virginia [Mr. HUNTON]. · for it. While these articles are articles of luxury and made Mr. QUAY (when his na~e was call~d). I have a general everywhere among civilized nations the great source of revenue, pair with the Senator from Alabama [Mr. MORGAN], who, I am yet it is very bad policy to put them so high as to make the du informed, will be nece~sarily. absent during t~e remainder of ties prohibitory and to decrease revenue. to-day's session on official busmess. I make this announcement We came to the conclusion that there was no reason from any and decline to vote. standpoint for making these duties higher than we have fixed The roll call was concluded. them here. In the first place, we believe we will get more rev Mr. CULLOM. I am paired generally with the Sen~tor from enue by an import duty upon these spirits, considering the na Delaware [Mr. GRAY]. He was called away from the Senate ture of the n.rticle; and, in the second place, it is no such inter this afternoon. I should vote'' yea" if allowed to vote. est in the United States as. appeals to us to entirely exclude Mr. BRICE. I suggest to the Senator from Pennsylvania foreign competition and make money for the domestic manufac [Mr. QuAY] that ;he transfer his pair to the junior Senator from turer. Colorado [Mr. WOLCOT'l'], and both he and I can vote. I would not use the t:.triff power of the Government in order Mr. QUAY. That arrangement is entirely satisfactory. to strike down this or any othet· industry while we are collect Mr. BRICE. I vote ''nay." ing taxes from it and recognizing it as legitimate. At the same Mr. QUAY. I vote ''yea." time I make no concealment of the fact that there is nothing in Mr. CALL. I announce my pair with the Senator from Ver the nature of the manufacture of alcoholic stimulants that ap- mont [Mr. MORRILL]. 'peals to me to protect it or encourage it. I would make it pay Mr. HIGGINS. I suggest to the Senator from Florida [Mr. all the revenue possible to the Government. I would not foster CALL] that he can transfer his pair tO the Senator from New it in any way. I beiieve that these duties from either stand Jersey [Mr. McPHERSON], and we can both vote. point, either that of ,revenue or, as our friends on the other side Mr. CALL. I will do so. I vote " nay." - call it, of protection, are about right, and that is the reason they Mr. HIGGINS. I vote" yea." are so placed. Mr. CAREY. I am paired with the junior Senator from Wis Mr. ALDRICH. I do not defend the existing law or seek to consin [Mr. MITCHELLj. I will transfer that pair to the senior make this amendment on the ground that the duties are protec Senator from Ohio [Mr. SHERMAN] and vote. I vote" yea." tive duties. It is simply and purely a question of revenue. All The result was announced-yeas 18, nays 26; as follows: political economists have agreed that the articles included in -, YEAS-l8. this schedule are proper articles for revenue duties. There can be no question about that. The tariff of 1846, which every Sen Aldrich, Dubois, Patton, Shoup, ator on the ·other side of ·the Chamber always alludes to as an Allison, Frye, Peffer, Teller, Carey, Hale, Perkins, Washburn. ideal tariff in these matters, imposed a duty of 100 per cent on Chandler, Higgins, Pettigrew, the very articles included in this paragraph. Dixon, Hoar, Quay, Now, it is proposed by a Democratic Congress, in the latter NAYS-26. part of the nineteenth century, when we need revenue,·accord Berry, Daniel, McLaurin, Turpie, ing to their own statements! and when we are in;Iposing high Blackburn, George, Martin, Vest, duties upon necessaries of life, to reduce the duty from 100 per Brice, Gibson, Pasco, Voorhees, Caffery, Gordon, Pugh, Walsh, cent to 65.98 upon these articles. Call, Harris, Ransom, White. I think the common· people of the country, whom the Senator Camden, Jarvis, Roach, from Missouri always speak for, are not greatly interested as to Coke, Jones, Ark. Smith, whether the duty upon French brandies is 65 per cent or 100 per NOT VOTING-41. cent. They do not use them, and they are willing that the Allen, Gorman, McMillan, Power, Bate, Gray, · McPherson, Proctor, people who do use them shall pay a high rate of duty. Blanchard, Haru!brough, Manderson, Sherman. Mr. HARRIS. Question. Butler, Hawley, Mills, Squire, Mr. ALLISON. Mr. President, this is an important schedule cameron, Hill, Mitchell, Oregon Stewart, Cockrell, Hunton, Mitchell, Wis. Vilas, certainly as relating to revenue. It is not a very lengthy sche Cullom, Irby, Morgan, Wilson, dule, and yet it is not probable that we can finish it this even Davis, Jones, Nev. Morrill, Wolcott. ing. I suggest to the Senator in charge of the bill that we ad Dolph, Kyle, Murphy, journ now and take up this schedule Monday morning. I would Faulkner, Lindsay, Palmer, Gallinger, Lodge, Platt, be willing on Monday morning, certainly ·after 11 o'clock, to ap· ply the five-minutes rule to the debate on this schedule. · So the amendment was rejected. Mr. HARRIS. I will say to the Senator from Iowa that the The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Secretary will proceed with Senator from Rhode Island and myself thought some time ago the reading of the bill. , we could probably get through with this schedule this evening. The Secretary read as follows: I should be exceedingly glad to do so. Of course I wish to SCHEDULE H.-SPIRITS, W;rNES, AND OTHER BEVERAGES. oblige as far aJJ possible the convenience and comfort of Sena Spirits: 237. Brandy and other spirits manufactured or distilled from grain or tors on both sides of the Chamber. What reason is there why other materials, and not specially provided for in this act, ~1.80 per proof we can not go on and get through with this schedule? ~---..1 gallon. · Mr. ALLISON. I will say frankly to the Senator that the..... The Committee on Finance reported to amend the paragraph discussion of the amendment offered by the Senator from Min by adding the following: · nesota has made some impression upon me as respects our rela But when imported in bottles or jugs no separate or additional duty shall tions with the French people concerning these duties. I think lie assessed on the bottles or jugs. if we a-re to reduce duties as is proposed here we ought to make Mr. JONES of Arkansas. The amendment of the Committee a distinction as between distilled spirits produced from grapes is withdrawn. and dis~illed spirits distilled from grain. I suppose the object Mr. ALDRICH. I move to strike out $1.80 where it occura in of those who are in charge of this bill is to make it easier-- this paragraph and insert $2.50. Mr. HARRIS. Will the Senator allow me to suggest to him The aggregate reductions in this schedule upon brandy and that the Senate has disposed of the amendment of the Senator other similar articles is $1,800,000 in round numbers. If any from Minnesota? Senator sitting upon the other side of this aisle can tell me Mr. ALLISON. I do not propose to renew the amendinentof any reason why the rates upon these articles should be reduced the Senator from Minnesota; but I notice in looking at the com I should be glad to hear it. I should be glad if the commit parison of these paragraphs that there is a very large importa tee who have this matter in charge, or some other Senator tion of spirits distilled from grain. The importation of spirits familiar with the construction of this bill, would give a single distilled from grain for the-year 1893 was $1,639,224, a large in reason why the rates upon these articles of luxury should be re crease over the importations of any prior year, at least so far as - duced. this schedule is concerned; I have not looked beyond. So the We have brandies, gins, Scotch whiskies, beers, still wines, proposition to r(;lduce the duty upon distilled spirits from grain and other articles of that kind. We have been called upon to I believe 65 cents and 70 cents a gallon is a great reduction when day and on other days to increase very largely the duties upon at the same time we are increasing the tax upon our own "dis- necessaries of life, I suppose partly for the purpose of furnishing tilled spirits from 90 cents a gallon to $1.10. ~ ----
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It seems to me that in dealing with this subject, having so many from Massachusetts. But I do not intend to open that question relations and difficulties in its pa.th way, we should not now at the or to debate it. If I can not get a five-minutes agreement for hour of 5 o'clock on Saturday night undertake to finish asched the cotton schedule as well, I will take it upon this schedule if I ule of this importance. It certainly will not take a great while cap get it. on Monday to go through with this schedule. For myself, I should Mr. ALLISON and others. All rig-ht. like to make some observations on the sehedule at a later day; Mr. HARRIS. In other words, I am going to do the best I and I do not wish to do it to-day. I am perfectly willing as far can. as I am concerned that the five-minute rule may be applied to Mr. ALLISON. I hope the Senator from Tennessee will ask this schedule from the opening of the session on Monday morn unanimous consent that the five-minute rule may be applied to ing. Schedule H, and that then he will consent that on this Saturday Mr. HARRIS. If I can get a unanimous-consent agreement, night at least we may adjourn. upon this schedule and the cotton schedule, down to the sehed Mr. HARRIS. I ask unanimous consent that the five-minute ule on wool and woolens, to limit the debate to five miUJ.ltes to a rule be applied to Schedule H until it is concluded as in Com Senator on any single amendment or on the paragraph-and mittee of tbe Whole. when I say five minutes I mean five minutes: and no extension The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there objection to the i'e by striking out the last or any other word-if I can get such an quest of the Senator from Tennessee? agreement I shall concede to the request of the Senator from Mr. HOAR. I make no objection; but I suppose the Senator Iowa. from Tennessee understands my interpretation of that rule by Mr. ALLISON. I do not like for myself to make at this time this time. any suggestions respecting so important a schedule as the cot The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chair hears no objection. ton schedule. It seems to me it would be' wiser to take one of Mr. HARRIS. The time may come when the Senator and I these schedules at a time; whilst this schedule is not a lengthy will debate the question as to the proper interpretation. one, I think it ought to be debated a little more atlargethan we I move that the Senate proceed to the consideration of execu can debate it to-night. If the Senator from Tennessee will ask tive business. unanimous consent that on Monday this schedule shall be con The motion was agreed to; and the Senate proceeded to the sidered under Rule VIII, which is the five-minute rule, I for one consideration of executive business·. After five minutes spent will not object, and I do not believe that there will be any ob in executive session the doors were reopened, and (at 5 o'clock jection on this side of the Chamber. and 10 minutes p.m.) the Senate adjourned until Monday: June Mr. HARRIS. What objection has the Senator to extending 11, 1894, at 10 o'clock a. m. it to the cotton schedule as well? Mr. ALLISON. I stated to the Senator that that is too im portant a schedule for me to make any suggestion about. NOMINATIONS. Mr. HARRIS. I ask that the five-minute rule as defined a moment since by myself be applied to this and the cotton sched Executive n01ninations ?'eceived by the Senate June 9, 1894. ule POSTMASTERS. Mr. HOAR. Mr. President- The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is thet·e objection to the re- Henry Vanscoy, to be postmaster at Kingston,·in the county quest of the Senator from Tennessee? . of Luzerne and State of Pennsylvania: in the place of David S. ; Mr. HOAR. I desire to notify the Senate, as I did three days Clark, whose commission expired April16, 1894. ago, that that agreement will not be acceded to while I am a Ralph F. Krieger, to be postmaster at Weehawken, in the member of the Sena.te in regard to any schedule whatever, I be county of Hudson and State of New Jersey, in the place of ing present. Theodore Buttenbaum, whose con;tmission expired May 2, 1894. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Objection is made to there Albert H. Jones, to be postmaster at Granville, in the county quest of the Senator from Tennessee. of Licking and State of Ohio, in the place of John C. Malone, Mr. HARRIS. If I understand the suggestion of the Senator whose commission will expire June 14, 1894. from Massachu.setts, it applies as well to this as to the cotton W. M. Dunklee, to be postmaster at Christiansburg,· in th~ schedule? county of Montgomery and State of Virginia, in the place of Mr. CULLOM (to Mr. HOAR). State what you mean. George W. Wilson, whose commission will expire June 18,1894. Mr. HOAR. I mean to say that I shall not beforehand agree ASSISTANT SURGEON IN NAVY. to a rule which confines every Senator to five minutes' debate on A F h lt t f M h tt t b any schedule. . mmen arel?- o , a res1·a en o assac use s, o e an as-_ Mr. HARRIS. Not on the schedule, but on the specific para- , s1stant s~rgeon m the Navy, from the 29th of May, 1894, to fill a graph. I vacancy m that grade. Mr. HOAR. On any specific amendment, on any specific topic. PROMOTIONS IN ARMY · · Under the rules of the Senate a whole appropriation bill might ' be introduced as an amendment; thelargestandmost important Infantry a1·m. subject might come up; it might be discussed without being First Lieut. William P. Evans, Nineteenth Infantry, to be cap- moved in terms, and it is an innovation; it is a thing never as- tain, June 7, 1894, vice Taylor, Nineteenth Infantry, retired from sented to. The five-minute rule, as defined on this side of the active service. Chamber yesterday, is a well-known rule, which has its inter- First Lieut. Robert J. C. Irvine, Eleventh Infantry, to be cap pretatidn in the customs of the Senate. I do not object to any tain, June 8, 1894, vice Hoffman, Eleventh Infantry, retired from arrangement which the Republican members of the Finance active service. Committea make in regard to adopting that rule. I propose to SecO'nd Lieut. Thomas G. Hanson, Nineteenth Infantry, to be commit the conduct of the proceedingin general to them; but first lieutenant, June 7, 1894, vice Evans, Nineteenth Infantry, what the Senator from Tennessee asks for never will be agreed promoted. to in t.he Senate on any subject whatever while I ampresentand Second Lieut. Herman Hall, Fourth Infantry, to be first lieu- a membet·. tenant, June 8, 1894, vice Irvine, Eleventh Infantry,-promoted. Mr. ALDRICH. I suggest to the Senator from Tennessee that we now agree to apply the ordinary five-minute rule to this schedule, and when we reach the cotton schedule I h 'tve no doubt we can secure a similar agreement in regard to it. WITHDRAWAL. Mr. HARRIS. I understand from the decla1·ation of the Sen The nomination of John J. McDonald, to· be postmaster at ator from Massachusetts just made that the five-minute rule can Kingston, Luzerne County, Pa.., which was sent to the Senate not be applied to this
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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.. . ·Mr . .BOATNER. lask that the reporta.cc~panying the bill be read-the::resolution. · S..A.TJIR.DA:Y, J 'une 9.,.18!1L Mr~ COOMBs-. Ish:all.have to object to this bill, M1·. Speaker I did not understand·that it proposed .an appropriation. The House met at 12 o'clock m. Prayer by the Chaplain, Rev. Mr.. .B0ATNER. Thop"e .the gentleman will withhold his ob-. E. B. BA.GBY. jeetion -for a momen-t. The Journal.of the pl~oceea:ings of·yesterday-was read•and ap Mr. CQOMBS. Certainly. proved. Mr. BOATNER. This is merely·a propo.sitiou to refer the A. J. DRUMWRIGHT. claim to the·Cour..trof Claims, not to pay it. 1 ask that the reso The SPEAKER laid before the House a copy of the finding lution be read. of the Court of Claims in the case of A. J'. Drumwright vs. The The resolution was.r.e.a.d, as - follows~ -United States; which was referred to the.- Committee on War Resolved, That the bill (H~R. 2S8G) entitled "A. bill for the relief.of Hypolite Claims, and ordered to be -printed~ Filhiol and others, "-now pendin-g in the House of Representatives, together with all the' accompanying papers be, and the same is hereby, referred to LEAVE OF ABSENOE. the-Court·of Clailns, in pursuance of the provisions of an act of March 3, 1883, and an·a.c.t entitled "An act·to-provide for the bringing of suits against Mr. ALDERSON, by unanimous consent, obtained indefinite the Unit-ed. States," approvedMarch 3, 1881, .to.ftnd...a.nd report to the House leave. of absence on a.ccoun.t-of sickne.ss.. o:f'Rep:resen.tattves·the facts bearing upon the merits of-the claim, including :~nl~K~~g~~~e claimant, and all other-facts contemplated by-the provi- HOITMES & LE'ATHERS. Mr. DAVEY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous conse.nt1or the Mr. COOMBS. Reserving the right to object, I shall be glad present consideration oi the bill (H. R. 6698) for the relief of to h·ear-the- gentleman.explain. Holmes & Leathers. Mr. BOATNER. A bill of this character -iniavor of Hypol - The bill was-read. ite Filhiol was :introduced a number of years ago, and passed by The SPEAKER. Is there objection t 1894. CONGRESSIONAL· REOORD--H01JSE. Mr. TITRNER of Georgia. On what point would the gen.'tle an or.dsr of tb.e circuit can~ or th.e distl'iet judge sitting in the man from Maine-like to have an explanation? cir-cuit o 6064 OONGRESSIONA·L RE€0RD-HOUSE. JUN}). 9, mg· for preliminary surveys _of a route for a ship canal from J:ake Committee on Indian Affairs and one-half by some.gentleman to Erie to the Ohio River; wh1ch ~vas read a first and second t1me, be designated by the Chairman of the Committee oi the Whole. referred to the Committee of the W}lole House on the state of The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman asks unanimous con:2ent the Union, and, with the accompanying· report, ordered to be that thirty minutes be allowed for the discussion of this amend printed. ment, one-half to be controlled by the chairman of the commit The SPEAKER. In the absence of objection, the bills orig tee [Mr. HOLJS.IAN], and the other half to be controlled by the inally referred to the committee on the same subject will lie gentleman from Washington [Mr. WILSON]. Is there objection? on the table. There was no objectiOn. There being no objection, the bills (H. R.1922, 6768,7068, and Mr. HOLMAN. If ,my friend wishes to be heard, I will re 7170) were orderad to lie on the table. serve the point of order until ht3 has completed his remarks. ENROLLED BILL SIGNED. Mr. WILSON of Washington. Mr. Chairman, I have offered this amendment, not for any reason personal to myself, but in Mr. PEARSON, from the Committee on Enrolled Bills, re behalf of the Democratic party in my State and in other West- · ported that they had examined and found truly enrolled the bill ern States and Territories of this country. It is a well-known (S.l950) to authorize the Pennsylvania and New J~rsey Rail~·oad fact that the Democratic party in their national convention at Companies or either of them to construct and mamtam a bndge Chicago declared, in one of the paragraphs of their platform, over the Delaware River between the States of New Jersey and for home rule, as follows: Pennsylvania; when the Speaker signed the same. We hold that the o:ll!cials appointed to administer the government of any INDIAN APPROPRIATION DILL. Territory, together with the District of Columbia. and Alaska., should be bona fide residents of the 'l'erritory or diBtrict in which their duties a re to Mr. HOLMAN. Mr. Spaaker, I move that the House resolv~ be performed. The Democratic party believes in home rule and the control itself into Committee of the Whole House on the state of the of their own atrairs by the people of the vicinage. Union for the further consideration of general appropriation Itisanotoriousfactthat upon every occasion afforded them the bills. Democratic party have violated that plank of their platform. The motion was agreed to. In my own State a few days ago-and I am not criticising the The House accordingly resolved itself into Coi?-mittee of the gentleman who was appointed-they sent a distinguished gen Whole, Mr. O'NEIL of Massachusetts in the chair. tleman from the State of Arkansas to be the agent at the Puyal The CHAIRMAN. The House is now in Committee of the lup Indian Agency. Whole for the further consideration of the Indian appropria They sent another gentleman from the State of Georgia, who tion bill, and the Clerk will proceed with the reading of the bill. had come into our State temporarily, to be Indian agent at the Mr. WILSON of Washington. Mr. Chairman, I rise to a par- Yakima Indian Agency. He came across the continent, and liamentary inquiry. - went clear back to Georgia in order to obtain a bond. They have The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will state it. appointed a United States attorney in my State who has not been Mr. WILSON of Washington. Yesterday afternoon, just aresidentlongenough to vote. They appointed a United States before the committee rose, we had proceeded, as I understand marshal who had been a resident only a short time, and no man it, to 'the consideration of this bill by paragraphs. in my localitywho belongs to the Democratic party knew who The CHAIRMAN. ' That is correct. he was. They have appointed farmers from the State of Wis Mr. WILSON of Washington. I am informed that it was the consin to the State of Washington. Two of the three Indian purpose of some gentlemen, who were on the Chairman's list, agents appointed for the State of Idaho are residents of States to m 3.ke cerbin observations or remar~s upon the bill; and they east of the Missouri River. believed that they had been promised, or at least it was tacitly And so it has been all over the Western country, violated step under3tood, that they were to have the floor for the purpose of by step, in order to satisfy the Southern contingent with pat addressing the committee before the general debate was closed. ronage and send them out to our country in violation of your And I believe it ia not the wish of the committee-speaking own declaration in your own platform. Ah, Mr. Speaker, they especiallY. for myself-to deprive these gentlemen of that pleas have gone further than that. They have come to the city of ure, and n they will indicate the time they desire-- Washingt()n, and this morning I find in that great Democratic The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will state to the gentleman paper, the New York Sun, the following: that the only name on the list is that of a gentleman who does ANGERED BY Mr. CLEVELAND-A. VIOLATION OF T1tE HOME-RULE PRINCI.PLE not appear to be present. STIRS WASHINGTON-HE PROCURES THE A.PPOINT.M.ENT:OF A. BRITISH SUB JECT A.S SUPERINTENDENT OF THE GIRI~s' REFORM SCHOOL AGAINST THE Mr. WILSON of '"\Vashington. I see the gentleman is not at PROTESTS OF THE WOMEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ':\'RUSTEES AND this moment present, and I will not make any further request at THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS-MR. THURBER TELLS THE COMMISSIONERS this time. THE APPOINTMENT MUST BE MADE A.T ONCE-FOUR TRUSTEES OF THE Mr. HOLMAN. I ask the Clerk to proceed with the reading SCHOOL RESIGN. W A.SHINGTON, June 8. of the bill. ' The citizens of Wa-shington have hardly had time to recover from their ' The Clerk, proceeding with the reading of the bill, read as surprise and disappointment caused by President Cleveland's violation of follows: the home-rule plank of the Democratic platform in the appointment of Charles H. J . Ta ylor, the colored man from Kansas, to be recorder of deeds At the Cheyenne River Agen cy, South Dakota, $1,70J, for t he District of Columbia, when they are brought face to face with another The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will call the attention of the similar act, the appointment of a British subject to the must lucrative and responsible office held by a woman in the Dis trict. The indignant citizens, chairman of the ·committee on Indian Affairs (Mr. HOLMAN] to without regard to party, have begun to make protest., and last night the fol the fact that the name of the agency which has just been read ap lowing preamble and resolutions were adopted by a larg ely attended meet- pears in the estimate as t_he Forest City Ag:ency. I~ the bi;l ~t ~~~~ ~:aTI~:~~;~~rg ~IJ ~\~bN~wo¥o~~:zation which is to Washington is called the Cheyenne River Agency, but m the estimates 1t IS 1 1 stated that it is now called the Forest City Agency. in~:~:~~~f \~~~i~fs~~!?o~~ s~~'6t~~gt~!hE~sl~fcl"~~eg~\b.:i~r~~~ iu~~~ Mr. PICKLER. The Indian Bureau desire that it be changed ject of ~foreign country, and that five years must elapse before she can be come an American citizen: and back to the old name, which appears in the bill. " Whereas said position is the most lucrative one within the gift of the The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read. Government in the District of Columbia, to which women are eligible; and The Clerk, continuing the reading of the bill, read as follows: " Whereas there were a. number of applicants tor this position equally as competent in every way, of American birth and in full sympathy with .Amer At the Yanlrt on Agency, South Dakota, $1,600. ican instutions; Therefore, Mr. WILSON of Washington. I offer the amendment which "ll eJ:~ olved, Tha~ we hereby express our hearty disapprovalofsa.idappoint ment, and call upon all loyal American women to urge upon theil· Repre I send to the Clerk's desk. sentatives in Congress a. thorough investigation of this 'foreign labor' ques The Clerk read as follow'S: tion." On page 6, line 18, aft-er the word "dollars," insert the following: These resolutions were adopted after it had been made known that the !ol " P1·ovidea, That no Indian agent or other employli shall be appointed to owing communication had been sent to Mr. Cleveland: any Indian agency from any State or Territory other t·han the State or Ter "TO t he PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES : ritory in which said agency is located." " MR. PRESIDENT: The undersigned ~embers of the board of trustees of Mr. HOLMAN. Mr. Chairman, I reserve the point of order the Girls' Reform School desire respectfully to tender their resignations, on that. being convinced that their usefulness is at an end. The recent appoint ment, ·in defiance of the protests of the minority-which includes every Mr. :BOWERS of Caliiornia,. I desire to reserve a point of woman on the board-of a superintendent who is a foreigner, without knowl order on that. edge of our c~stom_!? and people, without experience in reformatory work, Mr. WlLSONofWasbington. Ifthepointoforderisreserved, and without the special and most necessary qualifications for such work, seems to ma.ke the step imperative. inasmuch as we can probably discuss this amendment in twenty "Very respectfully, or thirty minutes, I wish to ask unanimous cop.sent that thirty ' ' LAURA COMSTOCK BATES. minutes be allowed for the discussion. According to the l..lnder "LOIDSE REED S'l' 1894. OONGRESSION·AL RECORD-HOUSE~ 6065 selves to the cause of American citizenship and civil-service reform. Sev have served the Department honorably and faithfully, and do not wish to be eral weeks ago a vacancy occurred in the ofllce of Superintendent of the Re dishonorably removed. form School for Girls by the removal of the incumbent as the result of a Mr. Erwin, when notifying me of the change, said that he had no fault to scandaL There were several candidates for the place, and the president of find with me, and that I had been very kind to him, and had done my duty. the board of trustees, Mr. W. C. Endicott, jr., pardon clerk of the Department He also made the same remark to other employes in regard to my5elf. I of Justice, and at the time of his appointment to the board private secretary wrote to the Department denying any charges that might be presented, and to the Attorney-General, warmly indorsed the application of Mrs. Aldrich. asked an investigation in such case. I will send you correct copies of let She had come to Washington with the family of Postmaster-General Bissell, ters in m~ possession, which will give you a correct idea of why I have been who, when they were no longer in need of her services, secured a place for removed, no doubt. I realize that your time is limited, and I do not wish to her as teacher in the institution. Four other members of the board also take up niore than is possible, but 1 would like to see· justice done in all recommended Mrs. Aldrich's appointment, but a minority, consisting of things. t.!lre'3 women and ex-Commissioner o! the District Morgan, opposed it on Thanking you again for your kindness in this matter, and hoping I may the ground that Mrs. Aldrich was a subject of Great Britain, whose husband be able to render you service in the future, I am, and six children reside in Canada, and because, moreover, they believed her Very truly, yours, to be totaliy disqualified to act as guardian and friend or young g :rls. WM. H. EMBREE, Mrs. Aldrich was selected by the rule of the majority, however, and the WaUawalla, Wash. Commissioners of the District were called upon,·as provided by law, to ap-. ~on. J. L. WILSON, Washington, JJ. C. prove the selection. This for a longtime they refused to do, contending that they could not consent to the appointment of a citizen of a foreign country to such an important place. Tnerenpon they were told that White House HEADQUARTERS A. LINCOLN POST, No. 4, influence would be brought to bear which they would be unable to resist. GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC, This statement was made good, for shortly afterwards Private Secretary WallawaUa, Wash., April 3, 1894. Thurber appeared before the District Commissioners with the information that Mrs. Aldrich's appointment was desired by those in authority. and must DEAR Sm: I inclose some papers just received from W. H. Embree, to be made at once. The Commissioners are creatures of the President, and which I desire to call your attention. Mr. Embree was agency blacksmith they took the hint, not without a show of protest, however. at the Yakima Agency, and, from his letter, has been ousted to give place to Mr. Thurber had declared the point about Mrs. Aldrich not being an Amer an ex-Confedera~soldier. • ican citizen to be all nonsense, and said this could be avoided by having her Mr. Embree is a member in good standing of this G. A. R. Post, is a good make out an application for naturalization papers at once. When told that Republican, a worthy man, and has a large family to support. Anything it would require five years to make her eligible for a certificate, Mr. Thur you may be able to do for him in this matter will be appreciated by him ber, it is understood, replied: "Oh, pshaw l in my State it takes only two and also by the comrades of this post. - years." But without any naturalization papers at all, Mrs. Aldrich was ap Yours, very truly, pointed at Mr. '.rhurber's dictation, and the resolutions of the Twentieth E. W. ELIOT, Post Commander. Century Club and the resignation of four members of the board of trustees Hon. J. L. WILSON, M. C., Washington, D. C. immediately followed. , Congresswill now be asked to investigate the matter, and it may be ven tilated when the bill that is now pending. appropriating $30,00::1 for a new FORT SIMCOE, WASH., Mat•ch 27, 1894. building !or the school, is taken up for consideration. DEAR SIR AND CoMRADE: I have been notified by the agent at this place This is the only appointment in the city of Washington to that my place here is to be filled by a man from North Yakima. I think he which ladies are eligible, and the President of the United States is an old Confederate. It has come about by and through the influence of some ot the Democrats there. and I want to beat them if I can. There is no has gone forward and secured a citizen of Canada, a citizen of <"ause for my removal, only that I am a Republican. Now, comrade, I want the British Government, to come here and be put in charge of to ask you, in behalf of the post and Grand-Army of the Republic, to assist the Reform School in the city of Washington. me, and see if they will remove an old Union soldier without cause and give his place to one undeserving. Ah, they go further than that. In the St::~.te of Washington, I want to ask you to telegraph to Representative WILSON in behalf of the at the Yakima Reservation, there was an old soldier working as Grand Army of the Republic to see the Commissioner of Indian Aff.airs im blacksmith at $840 a year. They turned him out, and in his mediat-ely, and ask him if it is the policy of their party to do so, especially a Uilion soldier, who is a poor man. who has a large family to support, and place they appointed a soldier of the Confederacy; and when it a man th at is fully competent to fill his position. I will tslegraph to the was brought to theattentionof the IndianCommissioner, he was Commissioner also. There is only a living in this position for one, and that frank enough and honestenough to rescind the order for there is a great deal to me the&e hard times. Again, these people here are a lot of Southerners and do not like the old soldier. What is done will have to be moval of the appointment of the Indian agent. But the Indian done with as little delay as possible. I will pay all expenses. a - 6066 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE.- JUNE 9, W .A.LLA W .A.LLA, WASH., .May 5, 1894. cocoanut. And I want to say to the committee that had the DEAR Sm: Your favor of April 22 regarding the reinstatement of Mr. Em· bree, at Yaktm.a Indian Reservation, was received yesterday. •The agent at amendment remained as the House adopted it before it was Yakama. h as not complied with the orders of the Commissioner of Indian AI· ame:r;tded by the ?enate, requiring that army offlcet~s should be fa.il"S as yet, but as I learn from a reliable source, has sent to Washington deta1led for Ind1.a11 agents, the gentleman from Washinaton charges against Mr. Embree, such as disobedience of orders and other could have had no such complaint to have laid before this charges, which Mr. Embree is prepared to prove are unfounded and not in H~use. accordance with facts. That is the milk in thecocoanut. Thisamendmentifadopted Mr. Embree is a fine millwright and blacksmith, an1l was retained by the is to prevent the appointment by_the President of any more agent until he had completed work upon a mill, which the man who took his military officers as Indian ag:.ents. Had the amendment been place could not do, then he kicked him out to make a place for an incapable ex-Confederate soldier. worded so as to apply to the appointment oi civilian agents as Mr. Embree's home is here; he is a member in good standing of this post now allowed by law, I would make no objection to it whatever and is in ever y respect a good and worthy citizen, against whom that carpet but I desire in the Rhort time that I h ave, to read a part of a bag, ex-Confederate agent has trumped up.false charges, and which if prop pri~ erly looked into, can but brinf' shame and dishonor upon their author. Mr. vate letter received from an allotting agent, a gentleman whom Embree informs me that he h as written to the Commissioner concerning I have known for twenty-five years and a good Democrat. He them. , says: vVe know that your time is fully occupied, still if you can give this matter a little more attention you will not only confer a favor upon a worthy UNITED STATES INDIAN SERVICE, soldier, but will also receive the thanks of comrades of this post, and the Covelo, Round Valley .Agency, April 29, 1894. Grand Army of the Republic at large. I thank you for favors already re We have here an illustration of the gre!l-t good resulting from appointment ceived, and beg to assure you of our highest consideration. of army offl.cers as agents. \Ye can easily see what has been and what im Very truly yours, provements have been , and are being made by"Lieut. Connelly. This valley E. W. ELIOT, Post Commander. in winter is a. bog, utterly impassable f01·wagons, but he has andis building Hon. J. L. WILSON, M. C., good r~ads , ~o by fall tha.t trouble will be in a great measure overcome. He TVaSII.ington. IJ. C. gives hL<~ entire time to h1s work, trying to put the Indians in a self-susta.in in.g po~tion, and if all~wed to rem!l-in here three or four years longer, all SIMCOE, WASH., March 2~ 1894. Will be mas good condition as possible. He has induced the Indians to put in good fences and build better houses: they seem to be impressed with his Mr. H. A. GRIFFIN, Nortk Yakima: good precepts and example. · Will you please do me a favor to fir.d out about this man, Mr. Watson, of It wi.p. take. at least four years lon~er to get them fairly s tarted, so that Yakima, whom they have appointed in my place; whether he is from the the whites Will not be able to undo all the good that has been done. When he South, also whether he is a Confederate soldier or not. Please find out cru.ne he founJ. t.he cattle of the whites running all over the reservation ancl what you can and let me know by mail or stage Wednesday. By so doing ~nding that he could not prevent it, he induced the Indians to fence. ThtS has you will confer a great favor on me. m a great measure put?- stop to that trouble, but the whites do not like it Yours truly, very well, so that if he IS removed before they fully appreciate the bene.IHs WM. H. EMBREE. . of the work they will easily be induced to stop work and let the fences go Strange to s~y, most of the whites speak in the highest terms of h1m; only NORTH Y .AKIMA, March 27, 1894. those whose mterests have been interfered with are unfriendly. Mr. W. H. EMBREE: Mr. Chairman, there are now over 200 officers of the United Mr. Watson was a Confederate soldier, and is from the South, same State as Judge Erwin, so I am teliably informed. · States Army located at or contiguous to the Indian aaencies Very truly, scattered throughout the United States. That is ab~ut the H. A. GRIFFIN. only business, in time of peace, that the Army has to attend to Mr. Chairman, I have introduced all the correspondence in to look after the Indians. I do not care whether these officers this case that has come to my hand. It seems to me a great in desire to serve as agents or not. They are paid their salaries ustice has been done this old soldier, and especially is this true and let them do the work. They are not hunting for the job' in the demand made on him for money by the chairman of the b1;1t they-are supposed to obey orders. We have now 23 of thes~ Democratic county central committee of Yakima County. officers acting as Indian agents, saving to the Government over Why, Mr. Speaker, Alaric and his Goths would have blushed $45,000 in salaries and expenses, and we ought to have at every with shame at demanding money from any old man, a Union agency an army officer. At some of the agencies there are five or soldier,outof his $S40perannum. [Appl~useon the Republican six officers to take care of the Indians. side.] fHere the hammer fell.] This is civil-service reform with a vengeance. And this agent, Mr. HOLMAN. I yield the remainderof the time to the gen sent to our country to preside over the Indians, permitting the tleman from Georgia [Mr. MADDOX]. Democr~tic county committee to assess an old Union soldier, Mr. MADDOX. Mr. Chairman, it is quite refreshing to see and when he fails to pay that assessment, they turn him out of my colleague on the committee, Mr. WILsON of Washington his_office and put in a Confederate. These are the facts. Do get upon the Democratic platform and insist that at least on~ you wonder that I insist upon this plank of the platform? plank of that platform shall be carried out; but it occurs to me Why, sir, prior to 1884 no national convention had adopted after the lectures wh~ch the Republ~can party, and especially this plank. In 1884, when the Republican conventiou assembled the leader on that s1de, has seen fit to give this side of the at Chicago, by some good fortune the p eople of the Territory House, that this reformation ought to have begun some time of Washington did honor me with a seat in that body. I drafted ago. As they claim to be the pioneers in everything that tends to and submitted to the committee on resolutions the first plank the prosperity and preservation of the Government, I think they for home r ule. It was adopted by the Republican party in con ought to have begun this reformation themselves, but as a mat vention assembled; and so far as my knowledge goes, in the ter of fact they did no such thing. Take the State ofWashing West it has never been violated. It was adopted by the Demo ton; the record shows that there is one nonresident agent in cratic convention that afterwards followed. It was adopted in that State now, and there was one nonresident Indian aCTent 1892 and it is now being violated in the West, and in the city there under the Harrison Administration. "' of Washington, ana every place where it is possible to do so. On yesterday this House was treated to a speech by the gen I think the amendment I have offered is in the interest of the tleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. BRosms], in advocacy of what service; I think it is in the interest of the Indians; I think it is is known as the Indian Board of Commissioners. He told us in the interest of good government, and if we are not to have it how much good they had done for the Indians and for the coun adopted, why,let us send the last poor feeble plank of the Demo try generally. Now,_let us see what they say on this subject, so cratic party out to sea with the others that have gone before. that we may ascertam whethe the gentleman from Washina fLoud a-pplause on the Republican side.] tonis on the right lines or not. Here is what the Indian Co~- Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time. I have some missioners say: - We highly approve the announcement of the Commissioner or Indian Af data cov~ring this entire question, both from the Secretary's fairs that in selecting civil agents it is his policy" to recommend persons as Office and from the Indian Office, which I will print in the REc a rule who do not reside in the vicinity of the r eservations upon which their ORD if I am permitted to do so. services are rendered." We have seen, in many instances, the evils result ing j'ro~ the so-called "home-rule" policy, and as the Commissioner says, Mr. HOLMAN. I yield the balance of my time to the gentle "Expenence proves what theory would mdicate, that; agents who come to man from Georgia [Mr. MADDOX]. Indian agencit!S from a. distance are more ready than those living near by Mr. McRAE. Mr. Chairman, I understood the pointof order to give their best efforts to promote the welfare or those whom they are em- was made against this amendment. ployed to aid." · Mr. BOWERS of California. I supposed that the gentleman That is the view of this Board of Indian Commissioners on was going to allow me some time. this subject of home rule in connection with Indian agencies. Mr. WILSON of Washington. The point of order has been Now, if the amendment offered by the gentlemanfrom Washing reserved, and we have thirty minutes, I will state to the gentle ton should be adopted, it would prohibit the President from ap man from Arkansas. pointing army officers, and, from what I have learned since I Mr. HOLMAN. I yield five minutes to the gentleman from have been a member of the ·committee, some of those officers California [Mr. BOWERS]. have proved to be very acceptable agents, and as a matter of Mr. BOWERS of California. Mr.Chairman, the object of this fact hav~ performed services for the Indians that could hardly amendment has not been given to the House. It is this. It have been accomplished by civilians. I have no personal knowl changes existing law, and upon its adoption there can be no more edg-e of the matter. I know only what I have heard in the com army officers appointed Indian agents. That is the milk in the 'mittee• .· . , -:.. 1894. ' OONGRESSIONAL RECORD-.HOUSE. 6067 I But, recurring to the question of the appointment of nonresi INDIAN AGENTS-continued, dents, I have here a full and complete _list of the Indian agents under the Harrison Administration, and also of those under the State Dr Territory, name, Whence ap· Date of Date of pres- Com and agency. pointed. original ap. ent appoint- }>ensa.- ... present Administration., and, so far as the State of Washington pointment. ment. tion, is concerned, the record shows exactly the same condition of af- · fairs und~r each Administration, that is, one nonresident agent. It is true, as the gentleman from Washington says, that an In IDAHo-continued. dittn agent has b.een appointed in his State from Georgia. !be Lemhi. lieve the gentleman charges him with having been there but six months before he was appointed, but in that I think he is mista .Seorge.H. Monk______Idaho------Feb.l1,1892 Feb.ll,1892 1,200 ken. That gentleman had been in Washington about eighteen INDI.A.N TERRITORY . . months when he was appointed. He went there before the change of Administration, before the country went Democratic, propos Quapaw. ing to become a citizen of the gentleman's State. He was after Thomas .T. Moore______Missouri. ______Aug. 3, 1889 Jan. 20, 1890 1, 400 wa:rds appointed an Indian agent. The gentleman from Wash Geo. s. Doane.~------Dfu:gfa~r eo- .Jan. 20,1894 J.a.n. 20,1894 ______ington seems to reflect upon him because he had to go back to Union. Georgia to make a bond. Well, sir, I think that shows that he had a good standing at his former home, when he cou,ld go tllere Leo E. Bennett.------Indian Terri- Apr. 9,1889 Jan. 22,1890 1,500 tory. · and make a bond. I thirik that is rather complimentary to him. · D. M. Wisdom ___·---~-- •••• do·----~- June30, 1893 Sept. 9,1893 Mr. WILSON of Washington. Oh, no; I did not reflect on him on thataccount. IOWA. Mr. MADDOX. I will ask the Clerk to read this list. BacandFox. Mr. WILSON of Washington. What is the date? . 'Mr. MADDOX. Thi~ is the list for 1893, with the changes Wallace R . Lesser------· Iowa------·---· May 16,1890 May 16,1890 1,000 that have been made. Mr. WILSON of Washington. That statement is a yea.r old. KANSAS. You will find that an Indian agent at the Lemhi Agency in Pottawatomie and Great · - Idaho has just been appointed from the South. Nemaha. Mr. COX. That is a great crime, that he should have come Joseph A. Scott ______Kansas------July 1,1891 Jan. 18,1892 1,200 from the South. Mr. WILSON of Washington. Oh, no; no crime at all. ~ESOTA. Mr. MADDOX. I ask the Clerk to read this list. The names White Earth. are in couples; the upper names are those of the men who served under the Harrison Administration, and the lower names are Charles A. Rufiee •••.••••.· Minnesota .••.. Feb. 18,1878 Oct. 18, 1R92 1,800 those of the agents appointed under the present Administration. Robert M. Allen------Illinois ------Oct. 18,1893 Oct. 18,1893 The Clerk read as follows: MONTANA. INDIAN AGENTS. Blackfeet. [NOTE.-Term of office expires four years from' "date of ·present 'appoint George SteelL ______Montana ______Aug.13, 1&90 Aug.13J 1890 1,800 ment."l Capt. L. W. Cook, U.S. A. ------·------State or Territory, name, Whenceap Date of Date of pres- Com Crow. and agency. p::>inted. original ap- ent appoint- pensa- pointment. ment. tion. MosesP. Wyman ______Montana. ______Apr.13,1889 Feb. 4,1890 2,000 L~.u1. J. VV. Watson, U. ------.ARIZONA. Flathead. Colorado River. PeterRonan ______Montana ...•••. Apr.12,1877 May 5,1890 1,500 George A. Allen ______Arizona ______Feb. 4, 1990 Feb. - 4, 1890 $1,500 Jas. T. Carter------...... do-- ~ ------Oct. 6,1893 Oct. 6,1893 Chas. E. Davis ______Illinois ______Nov. 9, 1893 June16, 1894 ------Fo1•t Bdknap. Pima. Lieut.Wm._D. McAnaney, ------____ : ______------1,500 Cornelius W. Crouse----- Indiana------Aug. 3, 1889 Jan. 20,1890 1,800 U.S. A., m charge. · J. R. Young ______" ____ Kentucky ______Junel9,1893 Sept.29,1893 ------Maj. J.l\1. Kelley, U.S . .A. ------<------______-______------· ____ ---- San Carlos. Fort Peck. C.harlesR. A. Scobey _____ MQntana.... ______Apr. · 1,1889 :A..pr. 1,1889 2,000 Capt. Lewis Johnson, U. ------·------· ------ S. A., in charge. Capt . H. W. &proll, U.S. A. ------______------_____ ------______Capt. A. L . Myer, U.S.A.------·------2,000 Tongue River. CALIFORNIA. JohnTully ______Montana ______Aug.13,1890 Aug.13,1890 1,500 Mission Tule River (con c~t.A~· w. H. Stouch, ·u. ------solidated). NEDRASKA. Horatio~- Rust------California----- .Tune17,1889 .Tan. 22,1890 1,600 F. Estudillo___ __ -·-- --- __ .••. do----- ____ Apr. 17,1893 ____ ------Omaha and Winnebago. Round Valley. Robert H. Ashley ______Nebraska-______Aug. 3,1889. Jan. 22,1890 1,600 Capt. W. H. Beck, U.S. A. ------·------Theodore F. Willsey---- Ca lifornia _____ Mar. .S, 1890 Mar. 8, 1890 1,500 Lieut. Thos. Connolly, U. ------Santee. · S. A. Jam'esE.Helms ______Nebraska ______May18,1890 I\ J 6068 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JUNE 9, INDIAN AGENTS-continued. INDIAN AGENTS-continued. Date of Date of pres- Com- State or Territory, name,l Whence ap- Date ot Date of pres· Com- State or Territory, name, Whence ap- original ap- ent appoint- pensa- and agency. pointed. original ap- ent appoint- pensa- and agency. I pointed.. pointment. · ment. tion. pointmen~. ment. tion. ------:------I ------! ------~1---- NEW MEXICC-.:!Ontinued. WASHINGTON-COn t'd. N avajo. Yankton. David L. Shipley~ ____ .... Iowa ..••..•.... Oct. 4,,1890 Oct. 4,1890 112,000 Everett W. F oster ------Sout.h Dakota. Apr. 1, 1890 Apr. 1, 1890 $1,600 Lieut. E. H. Plnmmer, U ....•...... •... ---- ...... ------J. A. Smith .. -.. -- .... ---- ...... do __ ...... Oct. 11, 1893 Oct. 11, 1893 · ______S.A. NEW YORK. Sisseton. New York. c~\~~ -. ~ -c::a~~~ch, ______.. _.:;::. ______1, 500 Augustine w. Ferrin..... New York _.... Mar. :r,1891 Mar. 3,1891 1,000 A.M. Keller------South Dakota. Mar. 7, 181l4 Mar. 7,1894 ------ NORTH DAKOTA. Grow Creek and Lowet· Br ule. Fort Berthold. Andrew P. Dixon ...... South Dakota_ Aug. 4, 1890 Aug. ~. 1890 1,800 JohnS. Murphy ____ ------North Dakota. Oc 7,1889 Jan. 22,1890 1, 500 Fred Treon __ _------______....do ..... ___ _ June 19,1893 j Sept.ll,t893 Capt·. W. H. Clapp, U.S. . ... ---- .... ------...... ------... . A. UTAH. St anding Rock. Dintah and Ouray (con James McLaughlin ...... North Dakota. June27,1881 Apr. 20, 1890 1, 800 solidated) . JJevils Lake. Robert Wau.gh ------Iowa ...... Apr. 2, 1890 Ap1·. 2, 1890 1,800 M~~ · l.· F. Randlett, U. ------John H. Waugh. __ ----____ North Dakota. May 24, 1890 May 24, 1890 1,200 Ralph HalL ... ____ .••• ____ .... do------June 19,1893 Sept. 9, 1893 WASHINGTON. OKLAHOMA TERRITORY. Colville. Cheyenne and Arapaho. Hal J. Cole .... ------Washington ... May 27, 1889 Jan. 20,1890 1, 500 Charles F. Ashley------New York..... !Apr. 1,1889 Apr. 1,1889 2,200 8 Capt. A. E. Woodson, U...... ------.... ------______S.A. Kiowa. : : ••:: ::::-::: ::::W. L. :: Powell ~£~~=: __ __ -__~______: _ o~Washington ... -June19;~,; ' "·,1893' =- ~ ~=-~.:=Sept.20,1893- 1______-- - ~ .-= _ George D. Day------Maryland ...... Nov. 3,1891 Jan. 18,1892 2, 000 Lieut. Maury Nichols, U. ------···------ S.A. Puyallup (consolidated). \ Osage. EdwinElls ______Washington ___ April17, 1871 Dec. 19, 189:3 1, 600 Laban I. Miles ...... Iowa------··- Apr. 18,1889 Jan. 22,1890 1, 6)() Maj. H. B. Freeman, U. ------\------Yakima. S.A. JayLynch ______Washington __ _ Mar. 6, 1891 Mar. 6,1891 1,800 Sac and J!'ox. L. T. Erwin ______1 do ______June19,1893 Sept 6,1893 Samuel L. Patrick------Kansas ------Junel7, 1889 Jan. 22,1890 1, 200 Tu!alip. E . L. Thomas ...... Indian Terri- Sept.29,1893 Sept.29,1893 ------Chester C. Thornton . ____ Washington. __ O ct~,. 21, 1890 Dec. 12, 1890 1,200 tory. D. C. Go\·an ______Arkansas ...... May 5,1894 ' May 5,1894 Ponca, Pawnee, Otoe, and Oakland. WI S CONSIN. David J . M. Wood------Indian Terri- July 18,1889 Feb. 4,1890 1,500 G-reen Bay. tory. J.P. Woolsey ...... Arkansas ...... June19, 1893 Nov. 4,1893 ------CharlesS.Kelsey ------Wisconsin _____ Apr.15,1890 Apr.15,I890 2,000 Tho' - H:.::,"::;_--__ --- _------•0- ______Juue19, 1893 Sep 1894. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE.- -6069 other side have vociferated on this floor in season and out of sea:- have the honor to represent here the effects of the repudiation ~on-the principle of" home. rule." Yet, here you are to-day en- of t~e home-rule plank in the Democratic platform under the deavoring to give us a differentc lass of .,' home rule" from that present Administration. Fifty-seven appointments of nonresi- which you desire for yourselves. dents of my Territory have baen made in defiance of that plank· Mr. MAD'QOX rose. and against the earnest_protest of the honest Democrats of-that Mr. WILSON of Washington. 1 have only a few minutes, and Territory. _ _ _ _ I can not yield to the gen~leman; I am trying to get in what I But I have not risen specially to find fault with that now. I want to say. If afterwards I have any time, I will yield to the desire to address myself to another point. ·What I do contend gentlems.n with. gres.t pleasure. for is this: that when a man is sent there-appointed by the , Now let me refer to the appointments in my immediate local- Government to an official position in that 'rerritory-from In- - ity under. Mr. Harriwn. The United States attorney was ap- diana, West Virginia, Texas, Tennessee or any other State, the pointed from my State, as were also the collector of the port Blue Book, the official record of this Government, which we are and all his subordinates, the United States district judge, and presumed to be informed by as authentic, shouldspecifithatfact, United Sta te~ m arshal. The Indian. agents at the Colville and no effort be made to cover up, hide, or falsify the record so Agency, the Yakima Agency, the Puyallup Agency, the?-'ulalip as to attempttoshowthatsuch appointments were made of actual agency were all appointed from the State of Washrngton. residents of the Territory. I hold in my hand the first copy of What do we find now? At the Puyallup Indian Agency Mr. the Blue Book issued under the present Administration. I :find Cleveland has appointed a gentleman from Arkansas; at the the name of Edward G. Spillman appointed register of the land Lemhi Agency the appointment was made from Texa-S. office at Kingfisher, Okla., and under the caption of" whenceap- As has been stated here, two farmers were sent to the Colville pointed," I :find that he is charged to Oklahoma. - Indian Agency from Wisconsin. One applicant for that place Now, Mr. Chairman, it is a well-known fact that for three was a friend of mine, a Democrat it is true, but nevertheless a weeks the appointment of this man was hung up in the Senate friend of mine. He had been struggling for fifty ye:trs, and the mainly on the· ground that he was a carpet-bagger and a resi tide had run hard against him. He was poor, and he wanted dent of West Virginia, and not of that Territory at all. In ad this little place. Yet the D~mocratic party sent a farmer from dition to that, and I appeal now to the ~entleman from Tennes the State of Wisconsin to taK:ethat.place, which this man might see [Mr. McMILLIN] who has succeeded. in having Mr. Wilson otherwisa have had. M. Hammack from his State appointed as register in charge of Our people, whether Democrats, orHepublicans, or Populists, the land office at Woodward in Oklahoma; and yet I find on an need these places.- They belong to the State. You might as _ appeal to this same Blue Book that he is credited.as being a well take your collectors of your ports, or your registers and resident of th!tt Territory. receivers of land offices from remote localities as take Indian Mr. COX. Will the gentleman allow me to ask him what agents. This system of appointment has prevailed all through statement he makes in connection with my colleague? the Western Territories. I rose here for the purpose of Mr. FLYNN. I c ::~.n not yield to the gentleman now. standing by this plank in the platform of the Democratic party. I next ask your attention to the name of a gentleman who sat We have as good men there as you have in your States; there hera as a member of this body in the Fifty-second Congress, Mr. are as good Demourats in the State of Washington as elsewhere. David H. Patton, who represented a certain district in Indiana They fought your fight; they helped elect your Preside}lt, and in that Congress, and who was appointed to a receivership at they are entitled to some consideration at the hands of the Woodward, in my Territory, and was charged to Oklahoma. Democratic party. , Are you going to continue this system? Neither of these three men, I desire to say now, ever set foot The gentleman says that these agents ought not to be ap- in that Territory, or perhaps knew where it was located, until pointed froiiL- the vicinity. Why, sir, in the :b..,ifty-second Con- appointed to these po~itions and had their commissions in their gress I got an amendment through this House appropriating pockets. $20,000 fOl' the appointment of an Indian Commission at the Pu- Now, Mr. Chairman, I repeat that our public records should yallup Indian Agency to take charge of that property and see specify the truth in such matters. If we have carpet-baggers whether something could not be done to dispose of it. I thought amongst us, appointed by the Government to fill official stations then that the honorable Secretary of the Interior might see in the Territory, let us know at least where theycome from, and proper to give to some citizen of mv State one of those appoint:- do not try to throw dust in the eyes of the public by pretending ments. If he did not want to make an appointment from the that they are appointed as residents of the Territory when they vicinity, he could have gone over to the neighborhood of the never set foot in there until they were appointed. Idaho line, 500 miles away. What did he do? He appointed one Mr. COX. My colleague, Mr. McMILLIN, is not present, and gentleman from Georgia, one from Illinois, and one from Uhio. inasmuch as the gentleman has -referred to him, I ask him to They have been there since; and it requires a guide to enable repeat what he said. - them to get to the Indian Reservation; and they know nothing Mr. FLYNN. What I said was that Mr. Wilson M. Ham- about it when they get there. ' mack was appointed by the aid of the gentleman from Tennes- [Here the hammer fell.] see to be register of the land office at Woodward, ~n Oklahoma. Mr. MADDOX. [ would like to ask the gentleman from Mr. COX. Well, what of that? What objection is there? Washington a questiou. Mr. FLYNN. The gentleman doesnotunderstandme. What Mr. WILSON of Washington. Certainly; I will answer if I I am objecting to is nqt to the appointment of any competent per- -have the time. · son to an office; but what I do complain of is that the record should · Mr. MADDOX. Doe3 the gentleman really believe in the show___:_this Blue Book, which is supposed to be official-that this principle he is advocating here? man was appointed from the Territory of Oklahoma, when, as 8. Mr. WILSON of Washington. Certainly, I believe in it. The matter of fact, he comes from Tennessee. gentleman could not ltave heard my :first remarks. I believed Mr. COX. Do you know where he resided and from where he in this principle away back in 1884. was appointed? . Now, I am going to state to the gentleman someth~ng which Mr. FLYNN. I do. I h ave not already stated. I went into Washington Territory Mr. COX. Do you know him? . as a so-called "carpetbagger" myself. I ough~ to acknowledge Mr. FLYNN. I have not met him. Several of our people that. I see what the gentleman has in his mind, and I antici- there know him now, I can tell the gentleman. pate his remark. I went there as a" carpetbagger;" and I say Mr. COX. How did you get there? ' frankly that I never could have had money sufficient to get Mr. FLYNN. I went in on the railroad train just like any across the Rocky Mountains if I had not had in my carpet sack other honest citizen. a commission of the Government. So much for that. Mr. COX. Well, is it not likely that he went there in the Subsequently I c1me to the Republican national convention same way? from that Territory. I trust I may be pardoned this personal Mr. FLYNN. Mr. Chairman, I am not finding fault with him reference to myself. I wrote the first resolution in favor of for being a carpet-bagger at this time; but I am complaining of home rule for insertion in that platform. I introduced it in the the official record, I repeat, for attempting to blind the publiQ convention and had it considered by the committee upon reso- by stating that this man was appointed as a resident of that lutions. It was engrafted in the platform. You Democratsfol- Territory, when, as a matter of fact, he was a resident of Ten lowed in the same line. You reasserted your belief in thatprin- nessee when appointed. ciple in your convention in 1892. But you have violated it at Mr. COX. Is the gentleman able to say that he was not ares· every opportunity. That is the history of the matter. ident of the Territory when he was appointed? I repeat: I W'ent .to Washington Territory as a ''carpetbag- Mr. FLYNN. No, sir; he was not. ger," because I nevel' would have had money enough to get that Mr. COX. What is the name? far -West if I had not gone in that way. Mr. FLYNN. Wilson M. Hammack. Mr. FLYNN. Mr. Chairman, there is probably_no section of Mr. COX. And where did-he reside before he was appointed? the United States which illustrates better than the Territory I Mr. FLYNN. He was appointed from Tennessee; I believe -I 6070 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD---HOUSE. Jmm 9, from the district of Mr . .M.c:MILLIN, because he made a very trine of home rule and of giving every locality the right to strono· effort to secure his appointment. select its officers, and in the Territories and the District of Co Mr~COX. · Well, we have a good many very excellent men in lumbia I think all appointive officers connected with the ter· Mr. McMILLIN'S district. ritorial or city governments should be selected from the citizen!! Mr. FLYNN. I am not complaining of that, but of what this residing there; but that does not apply to Indian reservations. Blue Book attempts to show. I know that when I have applied to this Administration for the The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. appointment of friends from my State the reply has been al· Mr. l\fcRAE. Mr. Chairman, I desire to say but a word only in most invariably made to me that the intention of the Adminis explanation of what our party promised upon the Territorial tration was to live up to the home-rule plank, and I believe there home-rule question in 1892. So far as I am concerned, I admit has been but little if any carpet-bagging iu the Territories. that some Democrats, with the help of the opposition in this Mr. WILSON of Washington. Is Gen. Govan from your dis Congress, have violated some of the pledges made at Chicago. trict? [Laughter]. Mr. McRAE. He is not; but I know him, and I can say that Mr. REED. Oh, you do not mean it Oh, no! [Laughter]. he is as gallant, chivalric, and able a gentleman as ever went to .Mr. McRAE. But I do not admit that this is one of them. your State as an Indian agent, and if we will give him proper The Democratic platform made the following statement in assistance and support, he will give the Government a capable, reference to the Territories, andl ask your attention to it, be honest, and impartial administration. cause it does .n~ appear to be under3tood by those who referred fHere the hammer fell.] to it here: ' The CHAIRMAN. The time for debate on this amendment is exhausted, and the Chair will treat the formal amendment as We approve the action of the present House of Representatives in -passing withdrawn. bills for admittin""0 into the Union as States, the Territories o! New Mexico and Arizona, ,and We favor the early admission of all the Territories having Mr. SPRINGER. Mr. Chairman-- the necessary population and resources, r.o entitle them to statehood. a;nd Mr. WILSON of Washington. I move to strike out the last while they remain Territories we hold that the officers appointed to admm ister the government of any Territory, together with the District of Colum two words. If the gentleman from Illinois desires to address bia. and Alaska, should be bona. ftllil residents of the Territory or District in the committee, I will yield to him. which their duties are to be performed. The Democratic party believes in Mr. SPRINGER. I move to strike out the last word. ll.ome rule and the control of their own aftairs by the people of the vicinage. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Illinois [Mr. SPRING Now, .sofar as th~Territories are conce-rned, this:plank of the ER] is recognized. Democm.tic platform has not been violated in the appointments Mr. SPRINGER. Mr. Chairman, the gentleman from Okla of the officers appointed to administer the governments of the homa has referred to the appointment of registers and receivers Territories so far as my information goes. of the Land Office in that Territory, and has stated that the Mr. WILSON of Washington. Will the gentleman pardon home-rule principle was violated in their appointment. I desire an interruption? to call the attention of the Chair to t-he fact that those appoiny Mr. McRAE. Certainly. ments to which he refers were in what is known as the Cherd Mr. WILSON of ·Washington. Do you think the collector in kee Outlet. Alaska should be appointed from the State of New York? Mr. FLYNN. Is Kingfisher in the Cherokee Outlet? Mr. SPRINGER. There is no reason why he should not. Mr. SPRINGER. Kingfisher is not. Mr. McRAE. I do not know that we have any great number Mr. FLYNN. Mr. Spillman is appointed there. of white residents of .Alaska to elect from. .I do not know any Mr. SPRINGER. The reg-ister to which the gentleman -re- th.ing about that. ferred-- · The coilector is not an officer appointed to -administer the Mr. FLYNN. There are three whom I mentioned in the government of the people of the Territo1·y. The language of charges that I made. The gentlemanmusthave misunderstood tbis platform clearly meant executive officers and these con me. The charge that I made was tlrat the public record was cerned in the immediate government of the Territories, like falsified to show that these men were appointed from O'klahoma, the governor and secretary, and others directly connected with when in fact they were not. 'rerritorinl matters. Those officers appointed by the United Mr. SPRINGER. Those in the Cherokee Outlet were ap States to discharge the business of the General Government, pointed in a region of country where, before the time of their such as registers andcollectors, might well be appointed from service, there were no persons living, either Indians or white the outside so far as this platform is concerned, but it has not men. been done in but few cases. This was a new country purchased from the Cherokee lndian!J Mr. '\iV'ILSON of Washington. The governor of Alaska is ap and opened to settlement; and it was opened under an act of pointed from outside the Territory. The secretary, the judges, Congress by which outsiders went in from all parts of the coun· the marshal, and the collector of the port in Alaska are all ap try and secured homes. There were no persons residing in that pointed from outside the Territory. region at all, either Indians or white men, as I said before, an 189~ _CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 6071 Mr. SPRINGER. I know of no one more capable of arraign cised in his mind to-day because the President of the United ing-" carpet-baggers" than the gentleman, who confesses him States, exercising his constitutio-p.al right and privilege, has ap self the chief of them in the Indian Territory. pointed a gentleman to an Indian agency in his State· without Mr. FLYNN. We all went in there to~ether. I do not know consulting the distinguished gentleman from Washington. whether the gentleman heard what I stated. I said_! was as old The gentleman undertakes to quote from the Democratic plat a resident as anybody, except some of the friends of the gentle- form. My friend, I do not think you could understand the Dem man from Il.Mnois, who were ''sooners." - ocratic platform if you w~re to study it for twenty years. Mr. WILSON of Washington. Mr. Chairman, I do not desire Mr. WILSON of Washmgton. No.human being could. The to prolong this debate, bu~ I hope my venerable friend, the chair gentleman does not understand it himself. man of the Committee on Indian Affairs, will pardon me. I desire Mr. NEILL. Yes, but you can -not; you are not built that . simply to reply to the ~ntleman from Ar~ansas [Mr. McRAE], way. [Laughter.] 1t seems that the gravamen of the charge of and to state that if anythmg I may have sa1d was construed to be the gentleman is that an agent was appointed from the State of any reflection upon Gen. Govan, of the State of Arkansas, who Arkansas to go out to his State and look after some poor devils was appointed agent at the Tulalip Agency, in the State of of Indians there, and he reads from the Democratic platform - Washington, relieving Mr.--Thornton, a bona fide resident of that about home rule. Why, sir, if he knew anythincr about that State, nothing was further from my intention. platform he would have noticed that that statement about home All my information is that Gen. Govan is an estimable gentle rule is in the first section and is a prelude to tile denunciation man, and he did as I or any other person would do, wanting a of the Federal-electionslawand oi the carpet-bag regime, under position of that character-he got it if he could. I am not at which the Southern people bled and suffered for years. tacking him; I am attacking- the principle, contending that it is Now, the gentleman need not be uneasy about Gen. Govan, of wrong, and that it has been gradually curtailed in this country Arkansas. There was not the slightest scintilla of either the since 1884. .spirit or the letter of the Democratic platform violated in his The gentleman from illinois [Mr. SPRINGER] stated that we appointment as an Indian agent in the State of Washington. were not entitled in the Territories to the registers and receiv The Indians are not governed by your State laws. They are the erships in the various land offices. It is true that prior to the proteges, the wards, of the nation. But I want to relieve t1.e Republican convention of 1884 all registers and receivers were gentleman's mind a little further. It is evident that Gen. Govan appointed from other States rather than from the Territories, was resting upon his mind heavily. If the gentleman is uneasy but the system had been so much complained of that the home to know who Gen. Govan is, let him write to Crocker's brigade rule principle finally became engrafted both on the Republican in Iowa. They will tell him that Gen. Govan was a foeman and Democratic platforms, and from day to day and year to year worthy of their steel; they will tell him that they invited Gen. they have been gradually trimming it down and giving ~hose Govan several years ago to one of their reunions, and that he positions to bona fide residents, until this" Administration, and went up and was their honored guest-the guest of the men whom it is making the appointments from evel'Y direction. he had met on the battle-field, whose flag he had captured, which In this connection, so that there will be no uncertain sound flag he carried back with him and returned to them at their re about it, I desire to put in the RECORD, because the various union, when they presented him with a magnificent gold-headed papers of the press of the country may desire to comment on cane, which I have had th!3 pleasure of seeing and admiring. them, resolutions of certain people gotten up relative to an ap- My friend need have no apprehension that poor Lo will not be pointment in the city of Washi~ton: .. fairly treated as long as Gen. Govan is an Indian agent in the Whereas it has come to our knowledge that th.e recently elected superin gentleman's Sta.te. · tendent of the Girls' Reform School of the District of Collllllbia is a. subject" Mt... WILSON of Washington. Mr. Chairman, I know that I of a foreign country, and that five yearp must elapse before sl:.e can become an American citizen; ano am trespassing on the committee, but if the gentleman from Ar Whereas said position is,the most lucrative one within the gift of the kansas had read the Democratic platform with which he doubt Government in the District of Columbia, to which women are eligible: and less is familiar-- Whereas there were a number of applicants for this position equally as competent in every way, of American birth and in full sympathy with Am er- Mr. NEILL. I have it here. icaninstitutions: Therefore, · Mr. WILSON of Washington. Well, if he had read it he R esolved, That we hereby express our hearty disapproval of said appoint would have found that it did declare for home rule. I know that ment, and call upon all loyal American women to urge upon their repre sentatives in Congress a thorough investigation of this 11 foreign labor " I am not ''built" like the gentleman from Arkansas when it question. comes to a question of Democratic thought and Democratic prin These resolutions were adopted after it ha.d been made known that the ciples, and that sort ol thing. I am aware of that. But the following communication ha.d been sent to Mr. Cleveland. gentleman seems to have entirely misunderstood me. Either he To the President of the United States: paid no attention to what I said-- Mr. PRESIDENT: The undersigned members of the board of trustees of the Gh·ls' Reform School desire respectfully to tender their resignations, being Mr. NEILL. Yes; I did. , com·inced that their usefulness is at an end. The recent appointment, in Mr. WILSON of Washington. Then I failed to impress my defi ance of the protests of the minority-which includes every woman on the idea upon the gentleman, because I said nothing whatever de board-of a superintendent who is a foreigner, without knowledge of our customs and people, without experience in reformatory work, and without rogatory of Gen.: Govan. I merely st9.ted that he had been ap the special and most necessary qualifications !or such work, seems to make pointed an Indian agent in my State from the State of Arkan the step imperative. sas; I stated also, that Mr. Andrews had been _appointed from Very respectfully, LAURA COMSTOCK BATES. Texas. I stated that a gentleman had been appointed a farmer, LOUISE REED STOWELL. from-Wisconsin; I stated that a gentleman had been appointed MARY HOWELL TOTTEN. from Tennessee; but said nothing derogatory of those gentle THOMAS P. MORGAN. men. I here and now reaffir:rn what I said about the platform: · . This is from the New York Sun, dated June 9, 1894. I think and I hope the gentleman will read the Democratic platform-- these criticisms are enough to establish, Mr. Chairman, in the Mr. NEILL. I have read it. mind of anyone the fact that the platform enunciated in Chi Mr. WILSON of Washington. I am afraid not. If the gen cago by the Democratic pa:rty has been coptinuously an~ contin tleman will read the last plank of the platform he will see that ually violated by the Pres1dent of the Umted States. it does declare for home rule. Now, if you are going to violate I withdraw t.he pro forma..a!)J~ndment. _ that principle in regard to Indian agents, you may as well vio Mr. HOLMAN. I ask that the Chair rnle upon the point of late it as to collectors of the ports. If you send us an Indian order. agentfrom the Shte of Arkansas, why not send us a collector of The "CHAIRMAN. The Chair ruled upon the point of order our port from Boston, Mass. One is just as fair and proper as some time ago. the other. Now, I do not care anything about the personnel of 1 Mr. WILSON of Wasnington. I beg pardon of the Chair. If these officials. As I said before, they .may be gentlemen of good my attention had been called to that fact I certainly would not character; I am not acquainted with them; doubtless they are. llave trespassed upon the well-known disposition of the Chair to I ·have no doubt, from what the gentleman from Arkansas has heal' members. said, that Gen. Govan is a most estimable gentleman, and when The CHAIRMAN. The Chair sustained the point of order, I revisit my State I shall take the greatest pleasure in calling and the gentleman moved to strike out the last word and then upon him and paying my respects to him at the agency. to strike the last two words, and debate followed. . Mr. NEILL. You will find him a thorough gentleman. Mr. WILSON of Washington. Iknowlhavemoved to strike Mr. LYNCH. Mr. Chairman, is there any amendment pend out nearly everything in the amendment. _ ing? Mr. MORGA.l'{. I desire to offer an amendment. The CHAIRMAN. The Chair .understood the gentleman The CHAIRMAN. The Chair agreed to recognize the gen from Arkansas to move to strike out the last word. tleman from Arkansas [Mr. NEILL]. Mr. CANNON of Illinois. I understand it is admitied that a Mr. NE..TLL. Mr. Chairman, from thesomewhat excited, I citizen of Arkansas has been appointed to be Indian agent in might say electric, harangue we have had from the gentleman the State of Washington, but I will ask the gentleman from 1 from the Stf:!.te of Washington, he seems to be somewhat- exer- Washington whether the excuse is not in the iact that in his '· ·.. _6072 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JUNE 9, State at that time, in 1893 or 1894: when this appointment was in the Cherokee Agency when the Cherokee Agency was a part made, there was not an honest and competent Democrat to be of the Union Agency. · found for the place? [Lau~hter.] Mr. MORGAN. According to my understanding, the gentle Mr. WILSON of Washrngton. Well, Mr. Chairman, that man is simply ruistaken on that point. The Quapaw Agency might seem to be the logic of the situation; but I stand here to has never been a part of the Union Agency. . ' say that all over the State of Washington are great numbers Mr. HOLMAN. I agree to that statement; but I say it be of hone ~ t, industrious, law-abiding Democrats. I could-not say longs to the same territory as that embraced in the Cherokee otherwise if I would, and would not if I could. Reservation. Mr. MORGAN. Mr. Chairman, I desire to offer the amt'nd Mr. MORGAN. It is a part of the Indian Territory. ment which I send to the desk. Mr. HOLMAN. It is a part of the same region; ahd at the The amendment wa'3 read as follows: time the Union Agency was established it embraced the terri After line 18, page 6, add, "at the Quapaw Agency, Indian Territory, tory now occupied by the Quapaws. 111,500. " Mr. MORGAN. I deny that the Union Agency has ever em- Mr. MORGAN. Mr. Chairman, I learned for the first time braced the- territory of the Quapaw Agency. this morning-- Mr. HOLMAN. It embraced the lands of that agency. Mr. HOLMAN. I }"ish to eeserve a point of order on this Mr. MORGAN. No, I think not. amendment. Mr. HOLMAN. It embraced the whole of the Cherokee lands. The CHAIRMAN. The point of order will be reserved. Mr. ~MORGAN. The gentleman might just as well say_ that Me. MORGAN. I learned for the first time this morning that the Quapaw Agency embraced the same ground as the Union no provision is made in this bill for the continuation of the Qua Agency. paw Agency. I know no reason for this action on the part of Mr. HOLMAN. Apart from that, the most competent man the committee. - who has investigated this subject in our time, Col. Donaldson, A MEMBER. Where is that agency located? ?f Philadelphia, recommends simply that the agency be abol Mr. MORGAN. In the Indian Territory; on the Missouri line, IShed as not at all necessary. He regards its continuance as opposite Seneca. without reason or excuse. Still, out of abundant caution, as I I have heard -of no demand for this action on the part of the have already said, we have consolidated this agency with the committee; and I would like to inquire whether it is recom Muscogee Agency, known as the Union Agency, the agency of mended by the Department, and what is the supposed necessity the five civilized tribes. for such action. The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentl6man from Indiana insist Re9.ding the bill still further I find a provision to consolida.te on his point of order? the Quapaw Agency with the Union Agency at Muscogee. I Mr. HOLMAN. No; I will not insist upon it, but I must ask suppose that this is the reason that the committee has failed to a vote on the amendment. · maire appropriation for the Quapaw Agency. I should like ·to Mr. MORGAN. I do not know who Mr. Thomas Donaldson know from the distinguished chairman of the Committee on may be; undoubtedly he is an excellent man; but it seems to me Indian Affairs whether there does not exist the same necessity that in the absence of any demand from this agency, in the ab for the maintenance of the Quapaw Agency that has always ex sence of any recommendation by the Department, and in the isted. absence or any intelligent explanation in favor of the action pro It seems to me very extraordinary to attempt this sort of posed by the committee, this agency ought not to be abolished. economy. To abolish this agency would be a great injury to the Mr. HOLMAN. Why, my dear friend, can you say that that Indian tribes located here. I trust thatthe committee will give is not an intelligent explanation, and not a satisfactory one? some explanation of their action; and in the absence of a suffi Mr. MORGAN. Let me get through. You might as well of cient explanation, the House must recognize this proposition as fer as an explanation that the abolition of the Union Agency entirely wrong. would be justifiable, for the reason that it could be consolidated Mr. HOLMAN. Mr. Chairman, the Quapaw Agency seems to with some other agency. be entirely unnecessary. The Quapaws are advanced Indians, Now, Mr. Chairman, if there is to be a consolidation of \hese on the same footing as the Five Civilized Tribes. This is a lit agencies, why not consolidate the Union and the Quapaw Agency tle reservation in the northeast corner of the Indian Territory, at the latter place. The Quapaw is the oldest, has existed the on lands which formerly belonged to the Cherokees; and these longest-- Indians practically constitute a portion of the Cherokees. Mr. HOLMAN. Oh, no. On this tract there are the Quapaws and some of the Dela Mr. MORGAN. I say it has existed the longest. It was in wares. I beg to call the attention of my friend from Missouri existence before the Union Agency was established, and I to the fact that these Indians have divided the lands up among know it. themselves, and Congress has ratified the arrangements which Mr. HOLMAN. I think not. they themselves have made. They are as far advanced in civili Mr. MORGAN. Well, I know it. I can remember when it - zation as any one of the five civilized tribes. was established, and I am familiar with that country. The Qua Mr. MORGAN. May I ask whether the Department recom paw Agency is directly on the line of my district. mends the abolition of this agency? There is no reason for this proposed action and no possible Mr. HOLMAN. The Indian Committee ought to know as excuse for it. There is no necessity for it. It is an agency that much abobt this matter-- . has existed fm· fifty years. Evidently the only object of the gen Mr. MORGAN. But I ask that as a pertinent question. tleman from Indiana is to cut down the bill and save the $1,500 Mr. HOLMAN. The Department does not recommend the appropriated for the agency, and for no other reason. abolition of this agency or other. Mr. HOLMAN. Oh~. it amounts to a good deal more than Mr. MORGAN. Why have you selected this agency for abo that. lition rather than others? Mr. MORGAN. And the gentleman may as well admit that Mr HOLMAN. Well, first, because these Indians naturally that is what his purpose is. belong to the five civilized tribes; secondly, they have divided Mr. HOLMAN. How many Quapaws are there? up their lands among themselves-by their own choice, not under Mr. MORGAN. Well, I have not the statistics here. the instigation of' Congress. They are well advanced in civili Mr. HOLMAN. A mere handful. zation. They do not ask for the continuance of this agency. Mr. MORGAN. Very well. Now, you are the chairman of Besides, the most intelligent report which has been made for the Committee on Indian Affairs, how many are there? a great many years in regard to Indian affairs-that of Hon. Mr. HOLMAN. Very fe w of them, the gentleman will find by Thomas Donaldson, of Philadelphia, an expert in such matters, examining. appointed to assist in taking the census of 1890-recommends Mr. FLYNN. There were sufficient of them to t 9.ke 150,000 the abolition of this agency, its absolute abolition, as unneces acres of land in severalty. sary Mr. HOLMAN. I think not more than 50,000 acres. These advanced Indians attend to their own affairs; an agent Mr. FLYNN. One hundred and fifty thousand. there has practically nothing to do. But as a matter of abun Mr. MORGAN. Now, if there is to be a consolidation of the dant caution, and for fear of any possible mistake (I call the at two ag-encies I shall offer an amendment that the Union Agency tention of my friend from Missouri to this fact), we have inserted shall be consolidated with the Quapaw. in a subsequent part of the bill a provision that the Quapaw In Mr. HOLMAN. Very well; submit your amendment. ; dian Agency be consolidated with the Union Agency at Mnsco Mr. MORGAN. The Quapaw is on the line of the railway; it gee. is more convenient, more accessible; can be more easily sup Mr. MORGAN. I understand that. plied, and is in many respects the superior lccation; but I hope Mr. HOLMAN. The gentleman must see, it seems tome, that for the good of the service the Quapaw Ag-ency will be continued. there is no possible excuse for continuing this agency. These The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read the amendment pro Indians are really a part of the Cherokees. They were included posed by the gentleman from Missouri, . . 189~. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 6073 , Mr. HOLMAN. I shall not object to the amendment I thin)r. lie- officer that the office be abolished, it seems to me strange .. I want to g-et rid of one of these agencies, but I think the plan that the House should retain the office. proposed in the bill is· the proper one, and I hope it.wlll b~ · Mr. MORGAN. What public officer has advised that? adopted. Mr. HOLMAN. The gentleman who took the census of those ·The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will read the amendment pro Indians. posed by the gentleman from Missouri. Mr. MORGAN. The Commissioner of Indian Affairs has The Clerk read as follows: recommended nothing of the kiud. Line 18, page 6, add at the end of the line, "at the Quapaw Agency, Indian Mr. HOLMAN. No; the Commissioner of Indian Affairs has Territory, $1,500." not. Mr. LYNCH. Why do you want to incree..se the amount? It ofTn~eq~~r~~MAN. Does the gentleman insist upon his point, was only $1,400 last year. Mr. MORGAN. Very well; I will modify the amendment and Mr. HOLMAN. I believe I will not insist upon it,~but I will "' .... -I make it $1,400. ask a vote on it in the House. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the amend The CHAIRMAN. The ayes have it, and the amendment is ment just read, as modified. agreed to. Mr. HOLMAN. Now,Mr. Chairman, I know something about - The Clerk, resuming the reading of the bill, read as follows: this Quapaw Agency as well as the Union AgencY:. I know ':ery Pt•ovided, That the foregoing appropriation shall not take effect nor be well the condition there. I spent several weeks m that regwn, come available in any case for or durmg the time in which any omc~r of the and have also read carefully the statement of the Ron. Thomas Army of the United States shall be engaged in performance of the duties ot Indian ag-ent at any of the agencies above named: Provided fu1·ther, That Donaldson on the subject. We are not acting blindly about the the Commissioner of Indian Affairs, with the approval of the Secretary of matter. I have no objection to the consolidation of the Union the Interior, may devolve the duties of any Indian azency upon the super intendent of the Indian training school located a.t such agency, whenever in Agency with the Quapaw, though it seems to me it would be a his judgment such superintt'ndent can properly perform the duties of such singular thing for us to do. The Union Agency is the older one; agency. And the superintendent upon whom such duties devolve shall give covering practically the five civilized tribes. It is a well estab bond as other Indian agents: Provided, That the Quapaw India.ll Agency is lished agency,and well conducted. I suppose that these Quapaw hereby consolidated with the Union Agency at Muscogee; in all, 585,200; a.nd all provisions of la. w fixing comnensa.tlon for Indian agents in excess of thati Indians own land to the extent of some 50,000 acres. herein provided are hereby repealed, and all offices in the Indian service not Mr. FLYNN. About 300,000. herein provided for are hereby abolished. Mr. HOLMAN. Oh, but that embraces some of the Dela- Mr. LYNCH. Ip. order to make that proviso conform to th~ wares. amendment of the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. MORGAN], just ·. Mr. FLYNN. Yes; they are all together. adopted, I move to strike out all from line 7 to line 13, inclusive, • Mr. HOLMAN. · Nobody says that the Delawares need an on page 7. agent. They occupy the same situation, under the shadow and Mr. MORGAN. I have an amendment already prepared. influence of the five civilized tribes, with the Quapaws. ' The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Mr. STOCKDALE. Why not abolish both of them? LYNCH] acc_ept the amendment of the gentleman from Missouri Mr. HOLMAN. I am in favor of abolishing both. I think it (Mr. MORGAN]? might be done. - Mr. MORGAN. My amendment is to strike out in lines 6, 7, Mr. MORGAN. Why not abolish all of the agencies? and 8, on page 7, the words: Mr. HOLMAN. I am in favor of abolishing all that are not Provided, That the Quapaw Indian Agency is hereby consolidated with the needed. Union Agency at Muscogee. _ But the question in this instance is which is the more compe tent? I understand that the man at the Union Agency is a very The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment just competent one. I do not know him, or infactanyof them. But offered by the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. MoRGAN].- my belief is that the Union agent is the more competent man, The amendment was agreed to. .- so far as I am able to ascertain; and therefore I would not like Mr. PICKLER. I offer the amendment which I send to the to make a change, and place the five tribes under the Quapaw Clerk's desk. agent, about whom I know nothing. -I myself doubt very much The Clerk read as follows: really if any of these Indians want an agent. Amend by adding after the word "named," in line 23, page 6, the follow· ~: I Mr. MORGAN. The Quapaws? . •· Provided, That the President shall only detail an army officer to dis Mr. HOLMAN. None of them; none of the five civilized charge the duties of Indian agent when he shall deem it for the best inter .- tribes. est of the service to do so." Mr. MORGAN. Have you anything of that kind from the Mr. HOLMAN. I make the point of order on that, that it is Department to substantiate your belief? a change of existing law. Mr. HOLMAN. I think I could find amongst my papers some 'Mr. BOWERS of California. I shall insist upon a quorum if statements on this subject that would confirm thctt conviction. that amendment is pressed. Mr. MORGAN. Now, let me ask if you have referred this to Mr. PICKLER. The point of order is not good. There is the Department at all? nothing in the law providing for the detail of army officers, ex· Mr. HOLMAN. Oh, no-- cept a provision in the last annual appropriation bill. There is Mr. MORGAN. Has it not been the usual thing to make an no provision for next year that I know. of. appropriation, and have they not maintained an agency t~ere Mr. BOWERS of Californta. - It is the law. for years? The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will be compelled to sustain Mr. HOLMAN. Oh, certainly. the point of order. The Clerk will read. Mr. MORGAN. And does not the same necessity exist to-day Mr. LYNCH. Mr. Chairman, by reason of the adoption of the that existed ten years ago? amendment of the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. MORGAN] i~ Mr. HOLMAN. Oh, no necessity hasexisted for fifteen years will require another amendment, on page 7, and we will have to past. add $1,400. Mr. MORGAN. Then, it is merely a matter of economy, and The CHAIRMAN. So that it will be $86,600. If there be no you think you can strike out that agency? objection, that amendment will be corf!ndered as agreed to. Mr. HOLMAN. Without any trouble at all. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. Mr. MORGAN. Well, I object to it, and I demand a vote on Mr. PICKLER. I move to strike out the last word. my amendment. Mr. Chairman, although the chairman o! the Committee op, Mr. MADDOX. Do I understand that the amendment is to Indian Affairs has seen proper to make the point of order, it IS consolidate ,the Quapaw Agency with the Union Agency? in my opinion not· a proper or desirable thing to detail army Mr. MORGAN. Oh, no. officers as Indian agents. It is beyond my comprehension how Mr. MADDQX. I was going to say, if it was for that pur the gentleman from California [Mr. BOWERS] who was the father pose you would be taking the mountain to the mouse. of this matter, and how the Fifty-third Congress can stand by Mr. MORGAN. No; it is to continue the Quapaw Agency. the gentleman from Indiana in his desire to save a few dollars The committee proposed to stdke it out. in this matter for the sake of economy. It is beyond my com.. The CHAIRMAN. Thequestion is on the amendment offered prehension how these gentleman can insist upon retaining this by the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. MORGAN]. provision upon the statute. The question was taken, and the Chairman announced that the _ The detail of army officers as Indian agents is against the ayes seemed to have it. judgment of every Secretary of the Interior; against the judg• Mr. HOLMAN. Division. ment of every Commissioner of Indian Affairs; it is against the The committee divided; and there were-ayes 37, noes 14. judgment of every cLvil commission which has been appointed Mr. HOLMAN. There is no quorum. I do not wish to stop at any time and made any recommendation as to the government the consideration of the bill on that account, though. But, with of Indians; it is against the recommendation of Gen. Sheridan a clear, sensible recommendation upon this subject from a puh- and a board of army officers wbo were appointed some years ago I f 6074 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JUNE 9, to investigate that m_atter. It is against the judgm~nt of every Mr. HOLMAN. Mr. Chairman, 'Under that provision twenty- W.telligent Indian chief, and of every Indian trib~; it is against three army officers have been detailed for the Indian service. the judgment of everybodywho isjnterested in the causeof hu- Mr. PICKLER. I beg the gentleman's pardon; nearly all th~ manity, so far as Indians are concerned, except upon the poor, Indian officers were appointed long before that provision to / ·, . .:r- - - 1894. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. - 6075 - Gen. WIDDE.ER the letter I wrote you and I know .tha~ he will aid you all he Mr. STOCKDALE. Very well; if that is true, I am glad ofit; can. If you deem it necessary I will send you a dozen charges against the agent that I can sustain. - . . . . I have no doubt it is true at this time. While I differ with you polltlCally, I am the only man m the Kiowa In Now, I repeat, army officers may be appointed anywhere and dian .Agency that dared fight for the ratification of the treaty and the only for any duty. employ6 of the Government from this Territory in the agency. Please reply immediately at An11darko, Okla. Mr. PICKLER. Then, why not take them for postmasters in Yours respectfully, your district? · . JAS. M:. WARREN. Mr. STOCKDALE. That is no business for an army officer Ron. DENNIS FLYNN. to engage in. And I do not think the gentleman himself is in Now, before taking my seat, I desire to say that I called up.on earnest. the Assistant Commissioner, Gen. Armstrong, and he stated Mr. PICKLER. I do not see any difference in principle. that he was compelled to remove this man for reasons of his Mr. STOCKDALE. If the gentleman has no better argument own. But that fact does not romove the charge made against than that against the army officers, they certainly ought to be this army officer, the Indian agent at that post, of putting appointed as agents. guards at the doors of the Indi:;tn council, and making them Mr~ PICKLER. There is no difference in principle. agree to contribute a certa.in amount of money to send another Mr. STOCKDALE. Well, if the gentleman from South Da army officer h'ere to Washington to protest against the ratifica kota can not see the difference now, I have no time in five min tion of certain treaties that had been negotiated by such men utes to undertake to convince him. Now, the chairman says as ex-Governor Jerome, of Michigan. this can be done without injury to the service, and I think it Mr. BOWERS of California. If there is anything in that ought to be done in the interest of economy. _charge, that officer should be tried by court-martial. . [Here the hammer fell.] Mr. STOCKDALE. I offer the amendment which I send to Mr. LUCAS. ~'lr. Chairman, before the v...ote is taken on this the desk. proposition, I desire to call the attention of the committee to The Clerk read as follows: the fact that this is the beginning of economy at the wrong end. On page 7, strike out lines 14, 15, 16, a.s fo~lows: There is no more important position connected with the Indian ·'For the payment of necessary int-erpreters, to be distributed in the dis service than the interpreter. It is very important that there · cretion of the Secretary of the Interior, $10,000." should be a correct and competent interpreter in dealing with Mr. STOCKDALE. I offer this amendment more for the pur them. - pose of making an inquiry than to discuss the merits of the ques It has been my fortune in the last twelve or fifteen years to tion. I do not concur in the disposition manifested by gentle live beside the Indians.. I have done business with them, and men on both sides of the Houee; and I think that under the know the difficulties sur1·ounding any man who attempts. to do present circumstances the fact is to be deprecated that when business with them without the aid of a competent and honest ever a paragraph of this bill or an amendment proposed by the interpreter. To take a hail-breed, as suggested, and make an committee looks to economizing the expenses of the Govern interpreter of him, the chances are at least nineteen out of ment, the gentleman from Indiana is attacked and the policy of twenty that the white man will be dealt against every time in economy sneered at. · different transactions. ~ It does seem to me, in the present condition of the Treasury It is important, Mr. Chai~man, that a competent and honest of the United States, that a member of this House who attacks interpreter shall be maintained between the Government and the chairman of the committee, who is striving to economize the Indians, for as prone as the white man is to complain, aa the expenditures of the Government, is hardly discharging his prone as he is to find fault, he is not a commencement with an honest duty· he may be to his constituents, but not to the Gov Indian on ration day, bacause when the Indian comes to draw ernment and the balance of .the people. his rations, if he is not satisfied with what the Government is Now, if this can be done, why is it not done? I offered an giving him his excuse is that he can not understand the inter amendment of this sort in the last Congress, and was informed preter. by gentlemen from the West-that there are men, and plent.v of Now, to abolish the interpreter, to take him away, to rely upon them, who min be employed who are themselves competent to somebody not a responsible party, will inure to the damage of act as interpreters. If that be true, why should we appoint an the Government as sure as the world exists. I trust the com agent fire t and then appoint a man to tell the agent what the In mittee, then1 will not strike out the section. I trust they will - dians say, and to tell the Indian what the agent says, when you not do it, because it is important in point of peace, quietude, can have both combined in the same person? If they can be and contentment for the Indian himself, 'as well as to the ma combined in the same person i.t seems to me that it ought to be terial advantage of the Government, to maintain these inter- done, and I ask the chairman if it can not be done? preters. , Mr. LYNCH. Not if you ta.ke them from other States or Ter Mr. HOLMAN. Mr. Chairman, just one word. The on1y re ritories. duction made upon that item is$5,000. The estimate is $15,00.0_,. Mr. HOLMAN. I think, of course, it could be done. and that sum has been appropriated for some years. But my Mr. STOCKDALE. Then if i.t could be done itoughtto done. friend from illinois (Mr. CANNON] will fully confirm my state Now, my friend from Wisconsin says," Not if you takethemfrom ment, because I was with him at most of the imporhnt agencies other States.' I think that home rule is a good thing, and I am of the country some years ago, and there was no lack of persons glad to see so many gentlemen on the other side of the House competent to interpret. Of course, the number of persons com to-day coming up to the good old soundS tates' rights doctrine. I petent to interpret has largely increased since then, because hope they will be like the old school Presbyteria_ns and the that was eight or nine years ago. Now, I have been told, year Ironside Baptists, that they will be steadfast in their faith. after year, that there were some Indians, the Blackfeet, and some Mr. PICKLER. You are the one that i.s deserting it. other tribes north of the Upper: Missouri, and in the northern Mr. STOCKDALE. Oh, no; I was always opposed to carpet portions of Idaho, Montana, and Washington, which we did not bao-O'0 ers, and but for the fact that some gentlemen on the other visit, where you would hardly ever find a person in Government site have announced themselves carpet-baggers during this de employment who was competent to interpret. bate-gentlemen for whom I have very high resp~ct-I would But at the agencies we visited we fell in with Indians every be inclined at this time to occupy a part of my time in saying where, and white men upon all sides who could interpret. It something about that class of the genus lwnw. was the simplest thing in the world. Why, during this last Mr. PICKLER. But you are in favor of importing army winter, a lady by the name of Mrs. Lochren, a Pottawatomie In officers. dian, who could not read orwrite,who had neverbeen to school Mr. STOCKDALE. In response to that it is only necessary to an hour, came here as an interpreter for some Pottawatomies .'iiay that they are public officers, and .are not supposed to h ave and some other fragments of tribes remaining in Kansas. She any special location. Wherever you can save the Government spoke English just as well as any lady that I know, and inter anything by their appointment as agents, or in any other way,it preted for the four or five tribes that came here. There was no seems entirely proper to do it when the appointment is within trouble about it at all. If you go to such an agency as the Apache the scope of their duties. No man has ever spoken a word Agency you will find any number of persons in Government em against "the honesty, the integrity, or the ability of the army ployment who are perfectly competent to interpret. officers. They have their reputation at stake. They have · Mr. LUCAS. It is an easy lano-ua()"e to learn, but the trouble life position, and the gentleman knows that this Indian busi is to get honest interpreters. o o - ness, as a system in this country, has not always been free from Mr. HOLMAN. You will get the same class of people any- suspicion wa~ - Mr. PICKLER. That I deny as having any foundation in .fact Mr. LUCAS. Indeed vou will not. during the last :fifteen years. Mr. HOLMAN. But f wish to say that in the remote north Mr. STOCKDALE. Well, not_to your knowledge. ern portions of the country, along the international boundary, Mr. PICKLER. No, sir; there is not a more honest sm·vice across 11innesota, North Dakota, Montana, Idaho, andnorthern in cqnnection with the Government tha.n the Indian service. Washington, there are bodies of Indi!Mls samewhatremote ~om : ' I 6076 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. JUNE 9, the civilized sections of the country, and it may be necessary cut this appropriati1)n of $5,000 from $15,000 to $10,000, as pro that a small sum of money be made available for interpreters posed by the committee, you injure the service. All told, I be there. I think, however~ that $10,000 is a very ample sum. lieve there are one hundred and thirty-nine reservations. How [Here the hammer fell.J . many agencies? Mr. PICKLER. I think under the amendment of the gentle Mr. HOLMAN. Fifty-six agencies. man from Mississippi (Mr. STOCKDALE] it would be utterly im Mr. CANNON of Illinois. And they regulate how many In- possible to administer the Indian service. I do not know how dians? you can do it, if you do not provide an interpreter. I do not un Mr. HOLMAN. About 133,000. derstand how you could get along with them at all. Mr. LYNCH. That is, regular Indians. I beg to detain the committee for two or three minutes in re ~r. CANNON of Illinois. ft,nd the United States has control gard to the quotations maie by the gentleman from California of all of them. , [Mr. BOWERS] from Gen. Miles concerning Indian officers. This Mr. LYNCH. And there are about 100,000 mixed bloods. · communication that the gentlemn.n has read was made by Gen. Mr. CANNON of Illinois. Now, most of these Ip.dians, as I Miles just after the fightat Wounded Knee, themostdisgraceful understand, can not speak the language used at the respective butchery of Indians that has occurred in the lastquarter of a agencies. You want interpreters in whose truth. and fidelity century. you can rely; and when you get such interpreters, if you can find Mr. LUCAS. You are mistaken about that. them, you ought to pay them a good compensation. · Mr. PICKLER. The most disgraceful butchery of Indians I can readily see how a dishone tor incompetent interpreter that has occurred in the last quarter of a century! could make a great amount of trouble for the Government, Mr. BOWERS of California. Do you call Gen. Miles a butcher? and a great amount of trouble for the Indians. His knowledge, Mr. PICKLER. I am not charging- anybody; but I know from his honesty, and his good faith is stronger bond for peace than the civil agents out there-! know the agent of the Big Foot could otherwise be given by any other one man; and I must band that was attacked-and that gentleman told me that it was say I doubt the propriety of decreasing this appropriation. I hunger and the aggressiveness of the military which brought am slow, I will say frankly, after the g·entleman from Indiana on that engagement; and I believe, as he was governing 2,000 ·has investigated a matter of this kind, to antagonize it; but I Indians, he could have governed this Big Foot band of a few fear he is not wise, or his committee is not wise, in recom Indians. It is conceded by everybody there that it was hunger mending this decrease. and the aO'gressiveness of the Army, andfmistakes made there, Now, there are 133,000 Indians that the Government has that resulted in that disgraceful butchery, in which some of our charge of. The most of the Indians, as I understand it, can not officers and 28 soldiers and over 100 Indians were killed, and speak English. In a matter of communication, a matter of busi which also resulted in the killing of Sitting Bull, an affair ness, a matter of rations, and every conceivable matter that they which the gentleman from Indiana [Mr. HOLMAN] knows about desire to present, whether there is sense in it, or whether it is so well. a ''kick " only or a proposition, it should, come accura. tely to the Gen. Miles said at that time that all of our agencies in South ear of the man who has authority and control. Having said this Dakota should be put under military officers. They were not much about it, I have said all I am inclined to say; and! believe put under military officers, and we only have one so placed to that you ought to have $15,000 for interpreters, as we have had day, but we have had peace and quietude ever since that time. heretofore, and therefor~ I make the motion. All we need is enough for the Indians toea t, and the civU agents Mr. HOLMAN. Just a word. This $15,000 for interpreters will keep the peace. Army officers always sustain army officers has been appropriated for a great many years. During that time of course, but I ask the gentleman, instead of quoting from Gen. hundreds and thousands of Indians have been educated, East and I Miles, to take the statement of any Indian. I have talked with West. Hundreds are in the Government employment at the - Little-No-Heart and with White Swan of the Cheyenne River agencies, all the laboring employments, such as herders and all Indians; I have talked with John Eastman at Flandrau; I have that kind of employment, shall be given to Indians. It is a per talked with chiefs from different agencies in my State, and there emptory requirement, except these others where they could not is not a solita1·y one of them who is not opposed to tb.e appoint be employed; but as to all other employments, such as teachers, ing of military officers as agents. Indians shall be preferred. There has been any number of del- Mr. BOWERS of California. Will you allow me to ask you a egations here from all the tribes. _ question? I mention Mrs. Lockran, who has never been to school an Mr. PICKLER. I have not the time. These Indians say the hour. She spoke our language perfectly, and interpreted for army officers' idea is to govern by force. They say that they _three or four tribes. At Pine Ridge, where the gentleman was want schools and education, and that they do not want bayo present, we met with Indians of all ages, nine years ago, who nets and bullets. The language of Little-No-Heart to me was spoke both languages well. There is no trouble about it at all. that the soldiers are the natural enemies of the Indians. I hope the House will adopt the policy that Indians shall be em Mr. BOWERS of California. Did the soldiers starve them? ployed at the agencies exclusively so far as possible; and I Was it~ the army officers who denied them rations and brought think it can be done exclusively. Think of how many hundreds on the war? and thousands of Indians we have educated during the last even Mr. PICKLER. Was it the goose that flew over the barn or a nine years frvm all sections of the country. Intelligent per duck? sons come here as delegates from every tribe, and there areal Mr. :30WERS of California. The less you stir that matter ways some men among them who speak our language well. the better it will app9ar. Mr. EVERETT. Will the gentLeman allow me to ask him a Mr. PICKLER. I wa.nt to say that if you will take any hu question? manitarian; if you will take any Indian rights commission; if Mr. HOLMAN. Just one moment. In addition to that, at you will hke anybody interested in this business, and see what every import::Lnt agency you have your police force. They are they say, and then say that they are in favor of the appointment generally intelligent men, people who speak our language. I of army officers, I will concede there may be some virtue in it. venture to say if you go to Pine Ridge, or Rosebud, or Standing The gentleman talks about my attack on the gentleman from Rockyou will find hundreds and hundreds of persons in all these Indiana. I merely said the only reason he had for supporting Government employments who speak the two languages per this was as a matter of economy. It is not economy, as the Com fe ctly well. Now, I admit that fif ty years ago this was all well missioner of Indian Affairs tells you here, to have these army enough, but when you commence a public expenditure of this officers as Indian agents. The army officer, like my friend kind for a proper object it becomes so .fastened upon you that from California, is a man who has blood in his eye, and who be you can not get rid of it when it is no longer necessary. lieves that the only good Indian is a dead Indian. Mr.RAY. I will ask the gentleman if he has any knowledge Mr. BOWERS of California. I should be sorry to be taken whether or not the educated Indians have been employed as in at the value the gentleman puts on me. terpreters? Mr. STOCKDALE. In view of the st:1tement that this ap Mr. HOLMAN. Sometimes. We now require that they shall propriation has already been reduced $5,000, I withdraw my be employed. · _ amendment. Mr. RAY. What I wanted to get at was whether they would Mr. CANNON of Illinois. I move to strike out" ten" and make reliable interpreters as between the Government and the insert "fifteen;" so as to make it $15,000. I do that for the pur Indian tribes. pose of asking the gentleman from Indiana whether this reduc Mr. HOLMAN. Just as reliable as any that would· be ap tion is recommended by the Secretary of the Interior? pointed. They are all the s::~.me class of people around there. Mr. HOLMAN. No; it is not recommended by anybody- I never heard of any trouble about interpreting. Mr. EVERETT. Then why have it, if it is not recommended Mr. RAY. The question would be one of policy with me. Of by anybody? course, if they are honest and trustworthy and would discharge Mr. HOLMAN. Except by the Committee on Indian Affairs. their duties honestly and faithfully, I should be in favor of their · lv,!_r. CANNON of Illinois. I want to say that I fear when you employment, and the only question that would arise in my mind • 1894. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE: would be whether these educated Indians would perform that Mr. LUCAS. One of the peculiar things about the Indian is duty honestly and faithfully as between the Governmentand the that1f he is paid by the Government-if he receives a compen tribes. , _ sation, however small, as its employe-he feels himself under Mr. HOLMAN. My friend is aware that at every one of these an obligation to be faithful to its interests. This seems to be agencies there is an agenQy school, with a competent superin- the only thing that will induce an Indian to desert his own peo- tendent, who generally understands_English very well, and also ple and be loyal to the Government as against them. , ; the Indian language, and who has a number of teachers under Mr. CANNON of Illinois. I think there is some force in that him who understand both languages. Gentlemen are talking suggestion. about thismatter as it might properly have been talked of, per- Mr. LUCAS. Any man familiar with the Indian characte~ - haps, fifty years ago, but we have been civilizing these Indians knows this to be true. Hence the importance of properly se- - during all that time, and for thirty years past have been de- lecting interpreters. No doubt there are hundreds of men, ~nd voting special care to their education, and you can not go into women too, who can intffi'pret the Indian language. The white -any Indian community now where you will not find white men mens-round the agencies all have a smattering of that language, who are familiar with the Indian language as well as with Eng- for it is easily learned; but if you wish to get an interpreter lish. I do not know what exp,rience my friend from Illinois that the.Government may rely on, he must be the paid servant [Mr. CANNON] may have had, but I found no difficulty in com- of the Government. 'l'he truth is that the difficulty at Pine municating with the Indians anywhere. I always found persons Ridge, when the Wounded Knee war came on, arose in the be- competent to interpret. - ginning from the treachery of an interpreter. Mr. RAY. The money that has been appropriated for this Mr. STOCKDALE. Mr. Chairman, 1 am not factious about purpose heretofore has been all used, I suppose. this matter, but I want to get at the truth. I would like to know Mr. HOLMAN. No, sir; it has not been all used. I have where the Governmentgetstheseinterpreters. You take them, sent to ascertain how that happened, but I know it has not all I presume, right around the agency. been used. This is a mere question of how much will you pay. Mr. LUCAS. We take them off the agency and pay them a If you pay a captain of the police force in the Indian Territory salary. a hundred or two hundred dollars additionat for this service, Mr. STOCKDALE. And you can getanindian agent who can that will serve the purpose just as well as to employ another also serve as an interpreter( . man and pay him $500 a year. At Pine Ridge alone there is.a Mr. LUCAS. Not one time in a thousand. police force of forty-nine, composed of fairly intelligent men. Mr. STOCKDALE. There is this difficulty in dealing with Mr. LUCAS. About twelve of them speak English. The the present question. Western gentlemen, in whom I have great balance do not. confidence, an.d by whom I have frequently been influenced in Mr. RAY. I will ask the gentleman from Indiana whether, my votes in reference tonieasuresconcerningindians, takeposi in his judgment, the time has come when we need a less num- tions on this question which are hard to understand. When we bar of interpreters than we have required heretofore? talk about reducing the appropriations for the Indians or adopt- Mr. HOLMAN. Certainly. I think that no injury would ing any regulation in regard to their lands, almost the whole QCcur to the Indian service if the proposition of the gentleman Western delegation will pronounce eulogiums upon the Indian; from Mississippi [Mr. STOCKDALE] were adopted, but still I will tell us how great he is, how honest he is, h9w true he is; . , think that $10,000 should be allowed for this purpose. will tell us that he is highly civilized, equal to the white man . .Mr. CANNON of Illinois. Mr. Chairman, I desire to with- Why,sir, the gentleman from South Dakota spoke awhile ago draw the amendment and then to renew it fqr the purpose of oi ''grand" Indians. On the other hand, whenever we talk about saying a word. I agree that there are more people upon the using the Indians as agents, everyone of those gentlemen comes reservations now who can talk both languages than there were up and says," Oh, the Indian is treacherous." twenty-five years ago, or ten years ago, or five years ago; but I Mr. LUCAS. We do not say that they are all tren.~herous; -\.v;ant to remind my friend from Indiana that there are 139 of that is too broad a statement. these reservations, fifty and odd agencies, and 133,000 Indians Mr. STOCKDALE. If we have been continuing for so long under the charge_of the United States. Now, I call his atten- our efforts to civilize the Indians, and can not find now one that tion to the fact that outside of the Government employes, no can be relied on as an Indian agent or interpreter, that goes white man can legally be upon those reservations. There are very far to confirm what I have often been inclined to believe white men there, to be sure. Some of them go in there and get that there is no full-blooded Indian who is civilized. adopted into the tribes; some of them intermarry with the In- Mr. LUCAS. The Indian is a good deal like the white man. dians; some are fugitives from justice who have gone in therein Mr. STOCKDALE. Well, if he is "a gooddeallike.the white defiance of law; but no white man, not a Gover.nment employe, man," why not treat him as snch? You can not improve on the can be there lawfull.v-- white man. Mr. STOCKDALE. Unless he is married. · The tal-k about the Indian seems to me very much like some Mr. CANNON of Illinois. Unless he intermarries with the ofthetalkwhich we have had here, whichamm;ed meverymuch, Indians, and many of them who have intermarried went there in regard to locating the new Printibg Office . . Gentlemen tell· at first in violation of law. Therefore, so far as these white us of the great importance of preserving the publicreservations people are concerned, they are not the most trustworthy per- in this city. They say, "These are the great breathing-places, sons in the world for interpreters. Now, so far as the Indian is created that the citizens of Washington may have a health-giv concerned, he sees the Indian side of a question, and unless there ing atmosphere." But when we talk about putting a Public is a special incentive, as a rule I do· not think the Indians will Printing Office on one of these reservations they at once say, make the most trustworthy interpreters. - "Oh, that location is malarious; we ought not to compel the It 5.s true that we are educating them at Carlisle and at the employes of the Printing Office to breathe such air; nobody can· Haskell Institute, and at other places, and that _they go back to maintain his health there." the tribes, and I am in complete harmony with the gentleman · So it would appear that so long as we want to fleece the Indi from Indiana in holding that all Indians who are thus educated ans and make money out of them, they are the grandest people should be given employment on the reservations, and that the on the earth; but when we propose to use them for any purpOse preference should be given to them, because if the Government · requiring intelligence and fidelity, at once we are told "They does notemploy them, their condition will be worse than if they are treacherous." Under such circumstances, how are we to come were not educated at all. But when you consider that there are to any conclusion intelligently? 133,000 Indians, and that the white people who are on the reser- Mr. LUCAS. Allow me to make this suggestion: You have vations are there against the law, and some of them fugitives been dealing with the colored man so long and not paying him from justice, the bare statement of the number of Indians, the anything, that now you do not want to pay the Indians. number of agencies, and the number of reservations would seem Mr. STOCKDALE. The gentleman's assertion is not true. to be a sufficient argument for allowing at least $15,000 to be He makes a charge that no man can sustain. used by the Secretary of the Interior for the employment of in- Mr. LUCAS. I am speaking in general terms. terpreters. _ Mr. STOCKDALE. Well, those ''general terms" do not If you have an interpreter at all, you must make his compen- truthfully apply. There are no people betterfedandmore surely sation sufficient to enable him to feel that he is not giving some- paid (they are not paid so much as these Indian agents} as the thing for nothing. That, as we all know, is the rule among negroes in the South. And I wish to say to thegentlemanfrom, white people. If I employ a white man and put him in a posl- Sout"b. Dakota that in my opinion there is a great deal of~ickly tion of responsibility, I would run my hand into the fire before sentiment in regard to the negro. You have never appropri I would have ·him feel that he was giving something for nothino-. a ted a single dollar to the colored man. The.rul~ of my ll!e has always been to pay every cent that the Mr. LUCAS. He did not need it. serviCe 1s worth, 1f not more, and then you can expect good serv- Mr. STOCKDALE. No; he does not need it because we sup- ice, because the man feels that it is to his interest as well as to port him; we tax oursehes to educate him. - He does not pay his inclination to render such service. · - IQ cents on the dollar of tbe money that educates his own ch.il· 6078 CONGRESSIONAL REOORD-HOUSE. JUNE 9, 1 dren. Year afteryeartheeduoational bill was heralded throitgh been the praotice to pay them the full amount of the salary fixed , this country, and we were told that the Government of the United since the llassage of the statutes to which I rafer. That ought States must appropriate money to educate the negro; but the to be contmued until the law is changed. ~omentthat the Republican. party come into possession of the I ask the Clerk to read now the sections of the statutes to Government in the Fifty-first Congress that measure died a which I have referred. natural death, and we have never heard of it since. The Clerk read as follows: Mr. LUCA~. I thought you would bring politics into it be SEc. 20!3. There shall ba appointed by the President, by and with the ad fore you got through. vice and consent of the Senate, a sufilcient number of Indian inspectors, not Mr. STOCKDALE. Well, then, do not make such statements exceeding five in number, to perform the duties required of such inspectors by the provisions of this title. Each inspector shall hold his ofltce for four as that. You can not find a colored man in the whole country, years, unless sooner removed by the President. anywhere in the Southern States, who will agree to the state ~EO. 2044. Eacb inspector shall receive an annual salary Qf $3,000 and his ·ment vou have made. •necessary traveling expenses, not exceeding 10 cents a mlle for actual travel while m the discha.rge of his duty, a statement of which expenses as to each Mr.-LUCAS. Oh, I think I could. . inspectorsha.lla.ccompanythe a.nnualreportor the Secretary or the Interior. Mr. STOCKDALE. I will give you a dollar apiece for every SEc. 2045. Each Indian superintendency and agency shall be visited and one of them. e:x:amlned as often as twice a year by one or more of the inspectors. Such examma.tion shall extend to a full investigation of all matters pertaining to Mr. LUCAS. I think I might make a-good deal oi money in the business of the superintendency or agency, including an examination ot that way. accounts, the manner of expending money, the number of Indians provided Mr. STOCKDALE. I take it thatno gentleman who has trav for, contracts of all kinds connected with the business, the condition of the Indians, their advancement in civilization, the extent 'Of the reservations, eied in the Southern country will make that statement. and wh.a.t use is made of the lands set apart for that purpose, and, generally, Mr. PICKLER. What has that to do with the question of all matters pertaining to the Indian service. For the purpose of making the interpreters? such in>estigations, each inspector shall have power to examine all books, papers, and vouchers, to administer oaths, and to examine on oath all otll. Mr. STOCKDALE. Well, the gentleman from South Dakota cers and persons employed in the superintendency or agency, and all such uses it as an argument as to why we should not say anything other persons as he may deem necessary or proper. about paying the Indians. I was only replying to. that. The inspectors, or any of them, shall have power to suspend any superin· tendent or agent or employ~ a.nd to designate some person in his place tem Mr. LUCAS. I said we wanted to pay these men for their porarily, subject to the approval of the President, making immediaw report services. of such suspension and desi.gna.tion; a.nd upon the conclusion of each exam· Mr. STOCKDALE. The gentleman said if the Government ination a report shall be forwarded to the President without delay. The in_. spectors, in the discharge of their duties, jointly and individually, shall have paid the Indian he would be true to the Government. power, by proper legal proceeding.s. which it shall be the dnty of the district [Here the hammer fell.] attorney of the United States for the appropriate district duly to e!Iectuate, Mr. LYNCH. Mr. Chairman, there are so many reductions to enforce the laws, and to prevent the violation of law in the administra tion or a!Iairs in the several agencies and superintendencies. So far as i,n this bill that we shall necessarily have to increase, that I am practicable, the e.xam.inations ot the agencies and superintendencies shall of the opinion that this one ought to stand rather than many of be made alternately by different inspectors, so that the same agency or the others. From year to year the Indians are getting better superintendency may not be examined twice in succession by the same tn and better able to do their own business with the agents, and spector or inspectors. without the aid of an int-erpreter, and I think we can stand a Mr. McRAE. From the reading of that law the committee reduction of $5,000 without injury to the service. If I did not can form some idea of the services performed by these inspec think so I would not hesitate to vote to increase the amount t-o tors. They are-the confidential agents of the Secretary of the the estimate made by the Commissioner. Bu.t this is one of Interior, who is charged with the administration of all matters those items that I trunk we can stand a reduction in, without relating to Indian affairs, and who must look after the $7,000,000 detriment to the service, and hence I favor reducing the appro carried by this bill. I am informed tillLt all the men who oc priation to the amount fixed here-$10,000. We will come across cupy these positions are men of high character and well quali other items after a while where that condition may not apply. fied, and are needed. I do not indorse the policy of taking away The CHAIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the amend a part of a man's salary on an appropriation bill when that sal ment of the gentleman from Illinois. aryis fixed by general law, as in this case . . The law will give it The amendment was rejected. to him. They can sue for it fn the courts, and will do so no The Clerk 1~ad as follows: doubt. I believe that inasmuch as these men have been ap For the pay of five India.n inspectors, at $2,500 per annum each, $12,500. pointed, made their bonds, and are now on duty, that they ought Mr. McRAE. I wish to offer a substitute for that section. to be continued, if continued at all, at the salary fixed by law. The Clerk read as follows: The preceding section allows the President of the United Strike out lines 17, 18, and 19, on page 7, and insert: States to nominate a less number than five, if he sees fit, so that "For pay of five Indian inspectors, at $;l,OJO per annum each, $15,000." if the point is attempted to be made that we have more in Mr. BOWERS of California. I wish to offer an amendment spectors than are necessary, let that argument be addressed to to the substitute. thE} e xecutive department. The law does not compel five to be Mr. HOLMAN. I raise the question of order on the amend- appointed, but it says a number not exceeding five; and these ment. . men., of the character and special fitness required, should be Me. McRAE. Do I understand the gentleman to say that we paid the full comperisation which the law gives them. I hope can not change an appropriation bill at all, even to make it con the amendment will be adopted. . form to the existing lawr I would like very much to hear what Me. COOMBS. I will ask the gentleman if up to this time the point of order is. they have been receiving $3,000? Mr. HOLMAN. It is that these salaries are fixed by law. Mr. McRAE. Yes; up to this time they have been paid Mr. McRAE. That is exactly what I am trying to have done, $3,000. to make their salaries conform to the law. The idea that a point Mr. HOLMAN. I did not expect my friend from Arkansas of order can be made against an amendment to a bill, when the [Mr. McRAE] to rival my friend from Illinois [Mr. CANNON] in bill itself seeks to change the law, is a most singular proposition trying to prevent a moderate degree of retrenchment in the ex to me. I ask the Clerk to read from the Revised Statutes-- penditures of our Government. Gentlemen, consider the matter Mr. HOLM.ttN. I understand the salary of these officers is for a moment. See how we have taken advantage of the benev fixed by law'at $3,000. olent spirit of the people of the United States in behalf of th{' Mr. McRAE. That is correct. Indians tofas'ten upon their appropriations an army of employ~S. The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentleman from Indiana insist in !he Indian service. This is rather a bill to appropriate money upon the point of order? for the benefit of the hangers·on of the Indian service than fol' Mr. HOLMAN. No; I withdraw the point of order. the benefit of the Indians, and the tendency is to increase th~ Mr. McRAE. Now, I ask the Clerk to read sections 2043,2044, number and to increase salaries all along the line; and the mis~ and 2045 of the Revised St!ttutes, as bearing directly upon this fortune of our J')ystem, gentlemen, is that whatever is valuable subject. - and ~ood and necessary, whatever ought to receive the fostel' Before that I wish to state, however, that these officers, ing care of the Government, is seized upon for the purposes ol created by this statute, have salaries fixed at $3,000 each. They plunder. 1 are required to be nominated by the President and confirmed by Now, the idea of these inspectors getting $3,000ayearl What the Senate. Their duties are very responsible, perhaps the most class of men are they? Respectable men, who could make per~ responsible of any other officers connected with the Indian serv haps a thousand or fifteen .hundred· dollars a year at home. jce lower in authority than the Commissioner himself. They Why, a few years ago one of these officers, a man from my own t>ught to be men who are worth $3,000 a year, and I believe that district, spent the entire winter here in Washington with noth I. tkose now on duty are worth it. None of them were appointed ing to do, and yet here are a long series of duties read from the from my State. statutes as though they were performed. I am not even acCLuainted with any one of the gentlemen oc Mr. COOMBS. Do I understand the gentleman to state that cupying these positiOns, but I do know something of the respon these inspectors-do not perform these duties? -sUIJ.e and impor?ant services rendered by them. It has always Mr. HOLMAN. Oh, the.re _are scarcely any duties to bil "!Per· .: ..! 1894. CONGRESSIONAL REOORD-HOUSE. 6079 formed. You ean visit all of these agencies in three months had lem-n.ed that I had been elected to Congress and they wanted and investigate their accounts at any one point in a. few days. to interview me. There are three or four, or about half a dozen, My friend must understand that we have got ten of these men, reservations in my county. These gentlemen left the city and of this same class exactly, five .for the Secretary of the Interior, the county thatafternoon bytrainat2o·clock. . They had a good who are called·irispectors, and five for the Commissioner of In time, were on a fine junket, and they did not go within 40 miles dian Affairs, who are called special agents. They are exactly of any Indian reservation, or anything of that kind, and did the same kind of men. I have known many of them for years nothing in the world; and I just give this asa specimenof theRe and years- Some have been from my section of the country, inspections. but they are the same class of men, those of the one class re Mr. HOLMAN. Just let me state my experience- I went t-o ceiving $2,000 a year and the others $3,000 a year, but perform visit one of the agencies, and I will not mention it, because oth ing the same general duties. There Bore ten of these men, and erwise the name of the gentleman might appear. The railroad yet any intelligent member of this House could visit all of these was about 3 miles from the agency, and he took a carriage and agencies and look after all of these matters in the course of a. went over there and had a splendid time for two or three days yearwithout the leastembarrassment'Ortrouble. I speak from afterwards, and then the gentleman retired. That does not look some slight experience-not much, I admit, but some experi- like investigating matters seriously. ence. _ Mr. BOWERS of California. Now, Mr. Chairman, these are This system was gotten up when the whole Western country facts. You know,and we all know it, that the Indian Bureau has had to be traversed with ambulances and on horseback, when been asylum, a refuge to hide in; places to which the Democratic there were no railroads. . Administration has had the key and kept open doors, and they Mr. HUNTER. The expen13es of these men are all paid? have placed in them these gentlemen that have been useful and Mr. HOLMAN . . Oh,certainly. Ithinkthat twentyyearsago, for whom they had no other place. Youknow it, and know lam when this system was inaugurated, when the Indians were widely stating the truth about it. Take the sentimentality out of this scattered and almost inaccessible, ten of these agents were well careful system and bring it down to business principles and there enough; and considering the hardships that men had to en is no other business which requires such an expense to inspect. counter in those days, the salaries were' not excessive; but every Mr. Chairman, it is absurd; it is a fraud; it is unnecessary, thing is changed. There are but five or ten of these agencies and every man here who knows anything about business knows beyond the reach of railroads, and. they are mostly along the in that it is unnecessary and th-at three men could do all the work ternationalline, north of the Missouri and on westward. that is done by these men. These agencies are very accessible. I have visited nearly Mr. MADDOX. Mr. Chairman, I desire to say a few words everv one of them in a period of less than four months. And in reply on this subject. This is a question which was much yet you have got ten men employecl. At the last session of Con discussed in committee, and I visited the Secretary of the In gress I moved to r~duce the nwh.ber to three inspectors and three terior to find out whether these five inspectors were actually special agents. The committee did not think proper to adopt necessary or not. He thinks~ and so stated, that they were ab - that view, and yet I think it could be done with absolute safety. solutely necessary. And for the same reasons and the very When I saw a gentleman spending the entire winter here, and reasons that the gentleman has just given, that the inspectors receiving his pay with nothing to do, I felt then that some re- had simply failed to discharge their duties and report the facts duction should be made. ' to the Government. He had to have an investigation made of This proposition now approximates a degree of fairness; that facts which the Department ought to know. Inaddition to that is to say, this bill provides for five inspectors at ~2, 500 each per the gentleman. does not seem to know the duties of these in year, with traveling expenses to the amount of $7,000. spectors. We have added to the duty already impos-ed on these That is a substantial addition to their salaries. Then we pro inspectors other dutie3 which they have not hitherto been re vide for five special agents, performing the same general duty, quired to perform. at a pay of $2,000 a year and traveling expenses. Here we have Mr. BOWERS of California. To inspoot .the agencies. five men, traveling allover the country; and that is not all. In Mr. MADDOX. I am not talking about inspecting the agen addition to that, you have in your employ four superintendents cies, but allotting and appraising the public lands. of schools traveling at your expense. There are fourteen. Mr. BOWERS of California. That is all right. I am not talk Then there is the superintendent of education traveling at your ing about that. expense, at $1,500 a year, making fifteen persons traveling all Mr. MADDOX. Tliat is anadditionalduty that this commit over the country, when any one of you gentlemen could visit tee has imposed on these inspectors. Now, the gentleman talks those places twice in one year. as if there were no precedents for this. In thB Internal Revenue Mr. BOWERS of California. Mr. Chairman, I have an amend Department there are special agents; in the Post-Office Depart ment I wish to offer to· the amendmel!t, or as a substitute for ment there are special agents, and in the Pension Office there the amendment. are special agents, who are the very eyes and arms of the De- The CHAIRMAN (Mr. McMILLIN). The Chair will state to par tments. . the gentleman that the -proposition pending is a substitute, and ~r. BOWERS of California. I could give you some interest his amendment can only be offered as an amendment to the ing history about those special agents. substitute. · Mr. MADDOX. ! ·have no doubt of it; and all that the gen Mr. BOWERS of California. Then I offer it as an amendment tleman says in that line only shows ~he necessity of finding out to the substitute. the true condition of affairs. The Clerk read as follows: Mr. Chairman, the Secretary o/ the Interior says it is abso In line 17, page7, amend by striking out the word "five" and inserting lutely necessary tha.t he should have these agents; and· he went the word .. three, " and in line 18 o! the samej>aragraph by; striking out the so far as to say that if he be allowed to keep them until this : word "twelve" and inserting in lieu thereof the word" seven." Congress meets again he will be able to make a report to this Mr. BOWERS of California. Mr. Chairman, these para body which will be of benefit to the country. graphs, the six lines, lines 17, 18, and 19, and the next three In reply to the statement of our distinguished chai.rman1 the lines, provide for an expenditure of $19,500 for five inspectors gentleman from Indiana, that one of- these gentlemen h ad stayed $20,000 in round numbers. On the next page provision is made here the whole winter drawing his salary and rendering no pub ior the appointment of five more special agents and their ex lic service, the Secretary of the Interior has authorized me to penses. Their expenses are not specifically named, except in a say that no agent of his will spend his winter in this city or any lump sum. They will undoubtedly be as large as the others. where else drawing salary without rendering service; that the We may therefore safely calculate that $3}.1,000 are appropri very moment there is any agent who has not some public duty ated in just these 'two places, saying nothing about their contin to perform he will be dispensed with. gent expenses, for general traveling expenses, and sleeping-car In view of the opinion of the Secretary of the Interior, that fare, and aJ.l that sort of thing, for the inspectors of this dis these five inspectors are absolutely needed; in view of the fact trict. There are fifty-six agencies. You have appointed ten of that he regards them as necessary to represent him in different them here. It does seem to me that this "honest Bureau" re parts of the country-they being, as it were his eyes and arms quires an immense amount of inspection. In .any other branch in view of the importance of these officers in transacting_the of the service, in tile Light-House Board for instance, one man business of the Indian agencies on reservation-in theallotment does more than all these inspectors and special agents do. They of lands, etc.-! think that this amendment ought to be voted could do all they have to do, and do it far better; and you could down, and this statute, which has been so long on the statute reduce their number. book, continued. ~ · I had some experience with these iLlspectors in my dis Mr. RAY. Mr. Chairman, at an appropriate time I think I trict. I remember now that tw.o special agents, one an Indian .:shall move to strike out the enacting clause of this bill, because agent and one an inspector, arrived in my -city by train at 9 after listening to the arguments and explanations and statements o'clock at night and went into a first-class hotel there. They ~f gentlemen here who ara .acquainted with the Indians and Bup sen.t word in the morning that they wanted to see me. They posed to know their condition, I am almost though not quit& ..J 6080 CONGRESSIONAL REOORD-HOUSE. JUNE 9, satisfied that they need no more care or looking after than the These are the legitimate conclusions that might be_drawn average white man. · . · · from much of the declamation to which we hav.e listened this The gentleman from South Dakota [Mr. PICKLER] t9lls us in afternoon. But, Mr. Chairman; I do not concur in those ·state· • all seeming sincerity and with great earnestness that all In ments. I adhere to my preconceived opinions that the Indians, dians, especially the Sioux India~s, known to have been here especially the Sioux and ·the Apaches, are uncivilized, barbar· tofore the most warlike and ungovernable, have become good ous, ignorant, cruel, and vindictive, and that they are restrained men, noble Indians; that they are now an educa.ted, intelligent, from outbreaks and deeds of violence by a wholesome fear of Christian, and law-abiding people. If this is true, we need ap visits from Government troops and the swift.vengeance of an of propriate no money for them; we need send no men to take care fended Government; The Indian is not· all_bad, but ~twill take of them or look after them. a century of active missionary work and the succession.of many Mr. CANNON of Illinois. The gentleman might add that generations under Christian influences .before we shall see a. wherever the Indians have received allotments of lands, they race of hard-working, intelligent, law-abiding, and self-sup· ·have become citizens of the United States, and voted. porting Indians. . · . Mr. RAY. So much the better. Why not give land to all of I do not think that the children and descendants of the red them? Now, the gentleman from California[Mr. BOWERS]tells handed screeching devils, who for unknown centuries hun~ed hu us that the gentlemen appointed as inspectors to look after the man life by stealth, burned captivesatthestake,and wore human Indians in California and on the Pacific coast pay no attention sealps at their girdles, can be trusted or relied upon or made self whatever to the Indians; vet we have had no outbreaks there. supporting for generations to come. Cooper has told us that old He te1ls us that these inspectors stop· at a hotel 40 miles away Chingachook, Indian John, the very last and noblest of the no from the Indians, and call upon him to entertain them, which blest tribe of the American Indians, fell away from the Qhris he does so charmingly and effectively that they take the train tian faith when de.ath began to seal his eyes, a.nd that he chanted and depart without visiting the Indians at all, and we infer the his death song, recited his deeds of massacre, and saw only vis- ' Indians are the better for it. ions of happy hunting grounds, tenanted by valiant warriors, as The gentleman from Indiana, the distinguished chairman of as he took his departure fo'r the unknown country. the committee having charge of this bill and which recommends Cooper understood Indian character as no living m.an _does; the expenditure of thousands of dollars of the public money for and when we J•ead of the cruel and bloodthirsty Mingoes of1756 the Indians, tells us that we do not need to employ interpreters and realize that they were better than the Sioux of 1879, ·we de· to communicate between the Government and the Indians, for 9eive ourselves in assuming that the tribes of 1894, ·as trib~s, are the reason that the Indians are so civilized, so honest, so well anything but barbarous savages restrained by the wholesome educated, so reliable that the service of interpreters is substan fear of a powerful army. There are individual exceptions, and tially unnecessary. Now, if all these. statements are true (and we may except..some of the remnants. of tribes that have been they ou{!ht to be true, for they fall from the lips of representa surrounded by. elevating and civilizing influences for nearly a tives of the people who live among the Indians and are ac century. quainted with their condition), we should at once abolish the I do not forget or belittle the wrongs of the red men; I think Indian Department; we should abolish these various offices and that much of their wrongdoing in recent years has been byway stop this expenditure of money. · . · of retaliation. I am simply contending that the nature of the tribes on our frontiers is not greatly changed, and that, as a Are these gentlemen quite honest in making these statements? matter of fact, we should increase our efforts for the care, eleva Are they telling the whole truth in (regard to the Indians and tion, and protection of these Indians, while at the same time we their condition? Are they picturing the situ'ation as it actually should be sleeplessly vigilant lest an Indian war or outbreak is? If so, they can riot justify their' action in recommending scandalize our nation, strew the borders with murdered men, these appropriations and these expenditures of money. I had women, and children, and shock the civilized world. · always supposed, and I have 3t lingering belief still, that the In I want more care taken of the Indians, not less; more money dian tribes are uneducated, uncivilized, treacherous, naturally expended, not less; more Indian schools, teachers, interpreters, vicious, disposed to break away from the reservations, and com farms, schoolhouses, and more of all the work necessary to re mit depredations upon the white men. strain, elevate, and ennoble, so far as possible and as rapidly as Mr. BOWERS of California. That is not true. possible, these red men who are as they ar~, and are not at all Mr. RAY. Well, I am glad to hear it. I am glad to have my blamablefortheircondition. · But! donotthinkweshall be the ideal! of the Indian character and disposition entirely changed. gainers if we deceive om·sel ves as to the true character and con I have read in history of Indil;ID treachery, of Indian massacres, dition of our Indian tribes. I do not think we shall gain a penny of tortures inflicted upon the whites by the Indians in various in the end by making small or inadequate ·appropriations for parts of this land. No longer do I believe it. 'Tlie ideas gath the ca.re of these wards of the nation. ered from my reading of history are all changed! I simply say, Mr. McRAE. Mr. Chairman, I go as far as anyone in sup that taking the st.1tements of these gentlemen as true, the time porting the rights of the Indians. While I have decided con has come to abolish the Indian Bureau, and stop these appropri victions upon the policy that should be adopted as to them, I ations of monev as a piece of wasteful extravagance. have not time now to discuss the question. I wish now only to All Indians should be made citizens of the United States at say that the Indian policy of the Government for the last twenty once, and in two, four, or six years we may hope to see an im or twenty-fi. ve years has not been d iscreditable to the Go vern.men t. provement in Congress, because we shall have here a better rep Underit the Indians have advanced and are advancing in civili resentation than we have now-we will have Indian Congress zation and are nearly ready for American citizenship and their .- men. As pictured by the gentleman from South Dakota, the lands in severalty. The five tribes are ready . averago Sioux Indian is better, far better, than the average Re When the gentleman from Indiana tells you that this is an old publican or the average Democrat. Nothing can equal these statute passed forty years ago, when the Indian ag-encies were Sioux unless it be the Popuiist or the commonwealer. What a all off of the lines of transportation, he is mistaken. The first change in the Indian ra-ce! No more Indian wars shall vex this section of the statute read was passed in 1873, and the second in people! The noble red man is here. 1875, following the outrageous scandals and frauds connected I have read of the raids made by hordes of the Western sav with the Indian service prior to that time-scandals which ages; of ranches burned, murders committed, and of women car ruined the character of so many white men around these agencies. ried into a captivity worse than death, and had supposed that I will not do more than to refer to them. the perpetrators of all these cruelties were inhuman, brutal, Since the passage of this law giving the executive depart and unpitying. But after the speeches of the gentlemen from ment power to put into the service such men a-s we have now we South Dakota [Mr. PICKLER], Indiana [Mr. HOLMAN], and Cali have had no such scandals and frauds. Without this law the De fornia [Mr. BOWERS], I am almost forced to the conclusion that partment is without any adequate protection in many cases. all the tales of Indian ferocity are mere fables, possibly invented Without these men, who represent the Indian and the Govern by speculators for the purpose of keeping immigrants from the ment as well-without the honest official who stands between fertile fields of the great ·west, or it may be to excite hatred the uneducated; helpless Indian and the shrewd, unscrupulous against these red men an'd bring on a war of extermination. agent who happens to be in favor with his party-there is no I almost expect to see the magnificent Gen. Custer walk into protection either to the Department or the Indian. You owe this Chamber attended by his three hundred cavalrymen, de it to the Secretary to give such help as is necessary to see that nounce the story of his massacre among the Black Hills as a this money is honestly expended. base slander upon the noble red men, and a malicious fabrica Mr. HOLMAN. The special act which the gentleman refers tion. to was passed in 1873; but this original pqlicy was inaugurated No more shall we hear men on this floor announcing that rui away bac}r. educated Indian boy will relapse into barbarism if permitted to Mr. McRAE. I do not know what you find running away return to his tribe, for the tribes are civilized, educated, peace back; but this, I tell the gentleman, was the beginning of the able, 1·eligious, honest. system. of inspectors a-s now used. .. ~ - 1894. ~ - .J j CONGRESSION!AL _RECORD-HOUSE. 6081 ··. ·- Mr. HOLMAN. Oh, no; not at all. I ~hink you will find· you Mr. RAY. How many are there pow? al'e entirely mistaken. :. _ Mr. LYNCH. Five. Mr. McRAE. And when the gentleman says that there. is no Mr. HOLMAN. Five inspectors and ·five special agent~, ten agency to inspect, I beg to ask why is this bill here·, then? in all. · · -Mr.- HOLMAN.- Oh, I did not say that. You misunderstood Mr. LYNCH. These inspectors are the private detectives of me entirely. . . , the Secretary of the Interior. They are exclusively under .his · Mr. McRAE . . I stand corrected if I misunderstood you. control, and they work for him solely and report to him solely. Then, if these gentlemen have nothing whatever to do, as the He sends them out wherever he thinks an agency or an agent gentleman has suggested, why are they appointed · at all? I should be investigated. They drop in on an agent just like the leave the Department to determine that. The law vestsdiscre post-office inspectors, without notice or warning, and demand his tion in the President of the United States to·appoint not to ex books, accounts, and cash. They go through them carefully to ceed five Indian inspectors. Now, he need not appoint any of see whether he has been honest in his accounts, whether he has them, or he may appoint a less number than five. The charge made payments he should have made, and how he has transacted *e gentleman from Indiana makes, when reduced to its-finar his business. And in addition to that, the Secretary of the In analysis, implies a reflection upon the President of the United terior within the last year has imposed upon them anew and im States-the choice of his own party, an honest man-because portant duty. He now uses them, instead of commissioners usu he has selected these inspectors and thereby said that he ally appointed for that purpose, to negotiate treaties in ce:rtain thought they could render efficient service to the Govern cases. · . ment and to the Indians. I hope, Mr. Chairman, that as long as · We have, I think, three treaties negotiated by them without this statute stands, whatever may be the judgment of the com any additional expense to the Government. In that way they mittee as to the propriety of continuing it in the future, we will have saved the expense of a commission costing about $35 a day, pay the inspectors what the law gives them, $3,000 a year, and for one or two months, and they are now engaged in investi not undertake to starve them out by cutting o~ their pay $500 gating and making a special report on each agency, which will at a time. The law fixes it, and they ought to have it. appear in the next report of the Secretary of the Interior: and . Mr. HOLMAN. Is my friend opposed to the reduction of any from which some very important recommendations will be made salarv? to the next Congress. Mr: McRAE. No; I am in favor of reducing salaries wher So the only question remaining is whether they shall be paid ever it can be done fairly and justly. $3,000 or $2,500 a year. There are also five special agents who Mr. HOLMAN. Is not this a good salary fixed by the bill? are under the charge of the Commissioner of Indian Affairs, Mr. Mc_RAE. If you seek to change the law, whydoyounotdo and entirely under his direction, to perform such duties as he it in a legitimate way? You only seek to do it here for the en may require. They practically perform the same duties, these suing year, and you discriminate against the best class of officers two classes of officials. you have. The special agents only get $2,000 a year and their expenses, Mr. HOLMAN. Oh, not all. and there seemed to the committee no special reason why five Mr. McRAE. I will go with you on a bill to reduce all sal men, performing practically the same line of duty under the Sec aries; but these inspectors are absolutely important in the Indian retary of the Interior, should receive a thousand dollars a year service and should not be singled out by you on an appropria more than five other men equally competent, faithful, and hon tion bilL This system of inspection has been adopted by the est, performing practically the same duties under the Commis Government in regard to nearly all its important affairs. It is sioner of Indian Affairs. the method used for protection of depositors in the national Mr. LUCAS . . Is it not a fact that the five inspectors are sup banks. posed to be expert bookkeepers, that they may check up these The Post-Offi'Ce Department uses inspectors in its business with accounts, whereas the five special agents of the Indian Depart postmasters, as does the Treasury. You have your internal-rev ment inspect the quality of goods, etc.? enue inspectors, your customs inspectorS', sugar inspectors, and Mr. LYNCH. Oh, no. timber inspectors. They are appointed to look into these mat Mr. LUCAS. But they inspect the goods deiivered at the ters in which the Government is interested, and prevent frauds agency, and the general management of affairs? in the public business. The fact that they can be used prevents . Mr. LYNCH, They are expected to be experts in bookkeep fraud. It is not so much what is detected as what is prevented mg also, and to examine the accounts. by them. . Mr. LUCAS. Are you sure of that? Now, will you deprive this great Bureau, for which the Secre Mr. LYNCH. Yes; when one agent supplants another, one of tary of the Interior is directly responsible, of the services of a these agents is sent to check up the accounts and turn over the sufticient number of inspectors to serve him and keep him in office to his successor. formed as to the operations of the agentsand army officers who Mr. HERMANN. I wish to ask whethee, in addition to the have to expend the $7,000,000 you give the Indians? other qualifications which have been enumerated, they are not ' Mr. HOLMAN. Will my friend allow another question? also required to investigate quarrels and matters affecting in These salaries, admitting the fact that they were established in tegrity in the Indian training schools and matters referring to 1872- the educational work of the Bureau? Mr. McRAE. In 1873. Mr. LYNCH. They are supposed to investigate all disturb Mr. HOLMAN. Well, whenever the law was enacted, but ances. when everything was on a high key-- Mr. HERMANN. And therefore it is necessary to have men Mr. McRAE. Yes, during the panic of 1873. of very high qualifications? Mr. HOLMAN. Oh, no; this was passed before that, the gen Mr. LYNCH. Necessarily so. tleman will find by examination. Mr. LUCAS. That is what I was getting at. No common Mr. McRAE. I gave you the date of the law. man can do the work. A man must be well qua.lified. Mr. HOLMAN. Well, at that time everything, I repeat was Mr. LYNCH. Now, the only question is, should these in on a high key. Now that everything is reduced, the cost of liv spectors, performing practically the s~me duty, receive a thou ing is reduced, and when we pa.y all the travelling expenses to sand dollars a year more than the five special agents? the last cent which these men incur, adding at least $700 to their Mr. McRAE. The per diem allowance of $3 a day is perhaps respective salaries, I ask if $2,500 a year is nota fair salary, when not allowed to the Indian inspectors. I think that they are the gentleman knows the condition of the people of this coun allowed actual traveling expenses, while the special agents are try to-day as well as I do? allowed not exceeding the sum of $3 per day when on duty in Mr. McRAE. These tp.en were appointed with the under the field, out of which they sometimes save something that the standing that they were to have $3,000. We should not pass a inspectors do not. bill reducing itfor the current year. If you are goin()' to change Mr. HOLMAN. The same rule applies to both. the law, change it in the proper way. You should ;ot change Mr. McRA:F;!. I think not, from the reading of your bill. it indirectly, and I hope the amendment will be adopted which Mr. LYNCH. The rule of the Departmentis, that whenever only gives the sum allowed by law. they are not on duty their expenses cease. fHere the hammer fell.] · Mr. McRAE. But if when on duty the inspectors only g~t Mr. LYNCH. Mr. Chairman, a strong effort was made in the their traveling expenses, and the special agents get an allOW'· committee, :first, to dispense entirely with these inspectors, and ance of $3 per day, out of which at times they can save some• next, to appoint three only, instead of five. That required of thing, there would be less difference than th~ salary would in the committee an investigation and inquiry at the Indian Office dicate. and Interior Department as to the necessity of still retaining Mr. LYNCH. They are not allowed any expenses except five. In that way we became possessed of information that led when they are in the field. us unanimously to recommend the retention.of the five inspec Mr. McRAE. But when they are on duty they are allowed $3 -tors. a day. :XXVI-381 6082 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE~ JUNE 9, Mr. HOLMAN. They are both allowed the same. The question was taken, and the Chairman announced that the Mr. McRAE. I think not, but I am not certain about it. noes seemed to have it. Mr. HOLMAN. Practically the same. Mr. McRAE. Division, Mr. Chairman. Mr. McRAE. No; not practically the same, because one class The committee divided; and there were-ayes 19, noes 29. get their actual traveling -expenses and the others receive $3 a Mr. CANNON of Illinois. Mr. Chairman, I ask to have a quo- day, from the language of your bill. rum. I hope the gentleman from Indiana, as it is Saturday eve Mr. HOLMAN. The $7,000 covers the whole. ning and half-past 3, will assent to move that the Committee Mr. LYNCH. The only question is:. Should there be a dif rise and let us have a full House on that. ference of a thousand dollars a year between men performing Mr. HOLMAN. I ask as a favor that we may go on for half practically the same duties? The bill allows a difference of $5{)0 an hour longer. · a year, and we thought that was enough. The salaries of sev Mr. REED. It is late enough for Saturday evening. eral of the agents have been cut down. Three of them have Mr. HOLMAN. We will reach an important. amendment been cut from $2,200 to $1,800 a year. Seven of them have been pretty soon. cut from $~,000 to $1,800 a year. They devote all their time to M.r. CANNON of Illinois. This is an important amendment, the service and they only get that salary, and support them and I think we had better have a full House. selves, while these men get a fixed salary with all expenses. Mr. DINGLEY. It is Saturday afternoon and near 4 o'clock. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment. Mr. REED. It is Saturday afternoon, and we have nearly Mr. CANNON of Illinois. I wish to say jnst a word before succeeded in adjourning. this vote is taken. The expenditure of money in the Indian Mr. DINGLEY. It is now after half-past 3, and some of us Service is large-, and it is expended in a great many different were here late last night. channels. You hold the Secretary of the Interior responsible. Mr. LYNCH. About half an hour will dispose of the miscel Of course, so far as it is possible he holds the Commissioner of laneous items, and then there will be the treaty stipulations. Indian Affairs responsible. The contracts are let in New York Mr. CANNON of Illinois. You have several hours' fight be and Chicago, andformerlymuch of fraud crept ininthedelivery fore you reach that, of the goods to comply with the contracts. Mr. HOLMAN. Does the gentleman intend to insist on a Mr. PICKLER. They would sell the same cattle three or quorum? four times, and drive them around the hill? Mr. CANNON of illinois. I shall have to do so in this mat- Mr. CANNON of Illinois. As settlements increase through ter .. out the country, there is all the while friction between the set 1\ir. HOLMAN. I move that the committee rise. tlers and the Indians. ·That is peculiarly so where there is a The motion was a_g-reed to. continual disposition to trench upon reservations. I am not The committee accordingly rose; and the Speaker havinO' re complaining about this disposition. I do not believe in reser sumed the chair, Ml'. O'NEILL of Massachusetts, chairm~n of vations. I hope the time will soon come when the Indians may the Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, have their allotments in severalty, and when there may be half reported that that committee having had under consideration a dozen white families to every Indian family, with the white the bill (H. R. 6913) had come to no resolution thereon. civilization all about them; and I wish they were scattered a 'fr. HOLMAN. I move that the House do now adjourn. hundred times more than they are. The motion was agreed to. But we have got to take the condition as it is. With this And accordingly {at 3 o'clock and 31 minutes p. m.) the House service, scattered as it is in twenty odd different States and Ter· adjourned until Monday, June ll. . ritories, and involvfng as many things to look after, it seems to me, when you make the Secretary of the Interior responsible, that he should have at least. five men who should be well paid, PUBLIC BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS. paid well enough to command first-class men. Under clause 3 of Rule XXII, bills and resolutions of the fol Mr. HOLMAN. What difference is there that they should lowing titles were introduced, and severally referred as follows: b -3 paid better than the others? By Mr. DAVIS: A bill (H. R. 7403) to authorize the Secretary Mr. CANNON of Illinois. The agents ought to be good men oi War to convey to the City of Junction City, Kans., for and do their work well; but these are under the Secre-tary of park purposes, a tract of land near said city-to the Commit the Interior, and have, in my judgment, in former years been tea on Military Affah·s. the best class of employes in the Indian service, of a high grade By Me. MAGUIRE: A joint resolution (H. Res. 191) relating of intelli~enca, and of a high grade of honesty ancl of vigilance. to Pacific railroad gt·ant lands-t-o the Committee on the Pacific Now, in the Indian servic3 and in the allotments that are be Railro~d s. ing made. notwithstanding you gentlemen upon that side have the Administrn.tion, and some of your friends, Democrats not PRIVATE BILLS, ETC. Republicans, hold these places, I am s::~.tisfied th!l.t there are good Democrats you can get. Maybe you hav~ got ~hem. An.Yh?w, Under clause 1 of Rule XXU, private bills of the following I would give the Secretary of the InteriOr th1s appropnat1on, titles were presented and referred as follows: and hold him responsible for the just and proper Indian service. By :Mr. CLARK of Missouri: A bill (H. R. 7404) for the relief So that I am not in harmony with this proposition to decrease of Hannibal Griffith-to the Committee on War Claims. the salaries of these five Indian inspectors. B y l\Ir. COCKRELL: A bill {H. R. 7405) for the relief of .Juan The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment offered S. Hart, administrator of Simeon Hart, deceased-to the Com by the gentleman from California. to the substitute offered by mittee on Claims. the gentleman from Arkansas [Mr. MCRAE]. By Mr. MEREDITH: A bill (H. R. 7406) for the relief of Mrs. Mr. HUNTER. I ask that they both be read. Elvira Moore, executrix of J ..L. Moore-to the Committee on The substitute offered by Mr. McRAE and the amendment of War Claims. Mr. BOWERS of California to the substitute were again read. By .Mr. OATES: A bill {H. R. 7407) for the relief of S. E. Hall The CHAIRMAN. The vote will first b~ taken on the amend ford, of Alabama-to the Committee on the Judiciary. ment to the sub3titute. M1·. McRAE. This amendment is an amendment to the orig PETITIONS, ETC. inal text of the bill. Mr. HUNTER. It seems to me we ought to have a division Under clause 1 of Rule XXII, the following petitions and pa· of that amendment to the substitute and have the propositions pers were laid on the Clerk's desk and referred -as follows: voted upon separately. By Mr. BLAND: Petition of citizens of Calloway County, Mo., Mr. BOWERS of California. It does not change the salary. for free leaf tobacco-to the Committee on Ways and Means. It simply changes the number from five to three, and then By Mr. COGSWELL: Petition of H. T. Balch and others, changes the amount in the bill. - asking that certain beneficiary societies may be exempted from The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment of the an income tax-to the Committee on Ways and Means. gentleman from California, to strike out "five" and insert By Mr. DALZELL: Petition of sundry citizens of Wilmer 'j three," and then to change the amount to make the bill con ding, Pa.. against an income tax affecting beneficiary societies- form to it, if adopted. to the Committee on Ways and Means. - The question was hken, and the Chairman announced that the By Mr. DE FOREST: Petition of labor organizations, in aid noes seemed to have it. of legislation to regulate convict labor-to the Committee on Mr. BOWERS of California. Division, Mr. Chairman. Labor. The committee divided; and there were-ayes 4, noes 60. By Mr. DINGLEY: Two ·petitions of citizens of Calais and So the amendment was rejected. HodgtonJ Me., for legislation to abolish lotteries-to the Com The CHAIRMAN. The- question now recurs on the substi mittee on For~ign Affairs. t•Jte offered by the genteman from Arkansas. By Mr. DRAPER: Two petitions of many citizens of Mar- 1894. CONGRESBIONAL RECORD-SENATE.. 6083 quette and other portions <>f the State of Michigan; 21 citizens must bear the- responsibility and -the recoiling reputation. It is of Newark, Ohio; 26 of Pittsburg, Pa., and 21 more citizens of . wholly a conservative measure-a relief to the Navy, and are Micbigan City, Ind., for the passage of House bill5804, an act lief to the observatory. A large portion of the working forceof to promote the safety of railroad employes-to the Committee competent officers, professors, and computers now at the obser ,-- I I