Third Series, No.25 Monday, December 10, 1962 Agrahayana 19, 1884 (Saka) I LOK SABHA DEBATES

Third Series Volume XI, 1962/1884 (Sua) [December 5 to II, 1962/Agrahayana 14 to 20, 1884 (Saka)]

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TIDRD SESSION, 1962/1884 (Saka) (Vol. XI contains Nos. 21 to 26)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT' NEW DELHI I LOK SABHA DEBATES

Third Series Volume XI, 1962/1884 (Sua) [December 5 to II, 1962/Agrahayana 14 to 20, 1884 (Saka)]

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TIDRD SESSION, 1962/1884 (Saka) (Vol. XI contains Nos. 21 to 26)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT' NEW DELHI CONTENTS

[TiIl:lD SBRIBS VOL. XI, December 5 to u r96z/AgrahayaI'l8'4 to 20, IS84(Saka)] COLUMNS

No. 21-W.d".,day, D.c.mb., 5. 196z/Ag,ahayana 14. 1884 (Saka)

Re: Giving of news about movement of army Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions- Twelfth Report Bills introduced- I. Emergency Risks (Factories) Insurance Bill; 2. Emergency Risks (Goods) Insulance Bill; 3. Agricultural Refinance Corporation Bill ; and 4. Representation of the People (Amendment) Bill BUsiness Advisory Committee- Tenth Report 4390--99 Motion rI Rel¥lrt on Indian and State Administrative Services 4399--4419,4222--27 Business of the H Ollse 4419-22- Taxation Laws (Amendment) Bill 4428-80 Motion to consider 4428-79 Clauses 2 to 5 and, 4479-80 Motion to pass . 4480 Working J ourna/ists (Amendment) BiII- Motion to consider Daily Digest

No.n-Thu,sday, D.Clmb" 6, '96z/Agraf.ayana IS, 18!.4 (Sakal Calling Attention to Matter of Vrgent Public Importance- Reported Scarcity of Kerosene oil .. 4551-59 Papers laid on the Table 455cr60 Messages from Rajya Sabha 4561 East Punjab Ayurvedic and Vnani Practitionell (Delhi Amendment) BiII- Laid on the Table, as passed by Rajya Sabha 4561 Arrest of alleged spy 4561-64 Working Journalists (Amendment) Bill 4564-4644 Motion to consider 4564-4600 Clauses z to 10 and I 4600-44 Motion to pass, as amended 4644 Personal Injuries (Emergency Provisions) Bill 4644-472.5 Motiolltto consider 4644--93 Clauses!! to 8 and I 4693-",,24 Motion}o pass, as amended 4724-z5 Mlnipur (Sales of Motor Spiritand Lubricants) Taxatioh Bill-considered and passod Daily Digest

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CoLUMNS No. 23-Frida;y, DlCemb" 7, 1961/Ag,ahayana 16, 1884 (Sala) Oral Answers to Questions- Sh.or! Notice Questions Nos. 6 and 7 4731-37 Statement on visit to Assamand otheI mattea 4737-58 Public Accounts Committee- FouIth RepoIt 4758-;9 Estimates Committee- Eighth Report 4759 Papers laid on the Table 4?5~0 Suspension of Pro, iso to rule 66 4767-72 Emergency Risks (Goods) Insurance Bill; and EmoIgency Risks (FactoIies) Insulance Bill 476~7. 4772-4837 Motions to consider 4760--67,4772-4818 (i) Clauses 2 to 17 and I [Emergency Risks (Goods) Insurance Bill!] 4818-25 (;i) Clauses 2 to 19, New Clauses 20 and I [EmeIgency Risks (Factories) II" sUlance Bill] ...... 4826-34 Motion to pass as amended 4825-26,4834-37 Motionr~ Twelfth Repoll of Committee on Private Mcmb

No.l4-Salu,day, D,,,mb,, 8,1 862/Agrahayana 17. 1884 (Sa.\a)

Oral Answers to Questions- Short Notice Questions Nos. 8 and 9 4917-23 Papers laid on the Table 4923-24 Re: discu.,ion on cease-fire . 4924-28 Delhi MotOI Vehicles Taxation Bill 4929-64 Motion to consider \ 4929-58 Clauses 2 to 2S and I ' . 4958-62 Motion to pass, as amended 4962-64 Major Port TIustS BiII- Motion to refer to Select Committee 4964-5012 Suspension of proviso to Rule 74 5012-23 Constitution (Fifeenth Amendment) BiIl- Motion to refer to Joint Committee Daily Digest

No. 2s-Monday, D,utnb" 10, 1962jAg,al.ayana 19, 1884 (Saka)

Oral Answers ta Questions- Shall Notice Questions Nos. 10 to 12 5073-81 PlipeIs laid on the Table 5081-82 Committee on Absence of Members- Minutes of the Third Sitting 5082 President's assent to Bills soh Motion Ie: BOIdeI situation Iesulting h' rn It< if,VSS;' n ~f Jrdia b) Chirs 5c83-5228 Daily Digest '229-30 COLUMNS

Oral Answers to Questions-- Short Notice Questions Nos. 13 to 15 Written Answers to Questions- Unstarred Questions Nos. 8S8 to 872 Re: Next session of Lok Sabha Calling Attention to Mltter of Urgent Public Imrortance- .Reportedfall in cotton prices and its etfect on eetl'" PI< duetior Paperslaid on the Table ~nnit )n Private Mombers' Bills and Resolutiens- Minutes Committee on Petition_ Minutes 5267 Messages from Rsjya Sabha 5267-68 Business of the House 5268-70 Constitution (Fifteenth Amendment) Bill- Motion to refer to Icint Committee . 52 70-5326 Motions re: Modification of Central Apprenticesltip Council Rule. etc. 532 6-53 Motion reo Maintaining prices of esselltial commediti., at reasollable levels 5353-88 Daily Digest 538!r-92 Reaume of the TItird session (Part 1).1962 5393-96

N.B.-The sign + marked above the name of 8 member all questioll. which ",ere orall)' answered indicates thlt the que.don wa. actually ..ked all the floor ofth. Hou •• by th.l Moml!er.

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LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA [� 'li11"cr m'fi ctrffill"U 1!'!i"h: Monday, December IO, 1962/Agra­ 'f>l"lli'E, � �l!TI"Q;lfo �o hayana (Saka) 19, 1884 �. � m'fil(�(liltfc:.i.fi<1 � ����.ffl�•.. t The Sabha met at Twelve Lok of Q;lfo l('q'o 'Pto!it, �T1l 'fi1" �at,-ffl rnr,;m: � ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 'li"Tninii.fi"T�� I] Short Notice Question., �r Sflfi� �r : 'FlT � Accident to Air India Boeing 707 ii;rr ;;i-r � r.'til fi.fi" w fl" l1i'� ms: «nM � � '-f'T� (a) the c:iuse of the recent accident to Air India Boeing 707 at Santa Cruz �rm tfl( �. mf.r. � ...r � �Wf.'1 resulting in the plane virtually being �'fil" ���micr'R� written off; and 'ff I ( b) steps taken, or being taken by Shri S. M. Banerjee: I want t:J Government to prevent such accidents know whether any preliminary en­ from happening again particularly at quiry was conducted departmentally this juncture when every available and if so, what was the result of that aeroplane is needed for the war effort? enquiry?

The Deputy Minister in the Ministry Shrl Mohiuddin: No, Sir. The firlt the of Transport and Communications enquiry will be conducted by (Shri Mohiuddln): (a) and (b). A committee appointed for this purpose. Committee of Enquiry consisting of Shri Vldya Charan Shukla: Is it a Shri M. L. Sodhi, Director of Aero­ tact that a similar fire incident took nau\i.cal Inspection, Civil Aviation place to an Air India Super Constal­ Department, as Chairman, and Shri lation two years back and at that time M. H. Paranjpye, Controller ot it was found that the fire fighting Aeronautical Inspection, Bombay, as equipment at Santa Cruz was inade­ Member, has been appointed under c11nte and what measures have been Rule 74 of the Indian Aircraft Rules, taken to supplement the fire fighting equipment in Santa Cruz? to investigate into the cause of the accident. The report of the Corrunittee Mr. Speaker: That is a different is awaited. thing altogether. 2405(Ai) LSD-2. S075 Oral Answers DECEMBER 10, 1962 Ora.! Answers Shrj Bhanu Prakash Singh: As Several measures have been taken in Boeing 707 is not manufactured in the last- few weeks to stabilize the India, may I know whether only the economic conditions of the North- parts would be imported or foreign ~trn areas. technicians would also corne to re- pair the plane and what would be While there has been magnificent the total foreign exchange involved response from a II sections of public, in the making the plane airworthy? industry, trade and business to main- tain a very high degree of confidence Mr. Speaker: That is a different and morale to meet the emergency, it thing altogether. is noticed that in some sectors of business and trade, there is an under- Accumulation of stock of Cloth with tone of anxiety which is responsible Textile Mills for slackening of economic activities by these sections. Government would S.N.Q. 11. Shri Barish Chndra like to re-assure the trading and the Mathur: Will the Minister of Com- busine3s community throughout the merCe and Industry be pleased to state: country and particularly in the North- eastern areas that there is nothing to (a) whether there is unusual ac- warrant in the situation to have any cumulation of stock of cloth with such anxiety at all and Government Textile Mills; assures all necessary assistance regard- (b) what is the stock and reasons ing transport and financial credit to for accumulation, if any; and enable keep up production, employ- ment and economic activity in the (c) Government's action to restore present national emergency. normalcy? Over and above the general arrange- The Minister of International Trade ment for suitable accommodation by In the Ministry of Commerce and banks for holding larger stocks, in Industry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) cae'- of some mills who might be find- to (c). There has been some accumu- ing it more difficult to sell their pro- lation of stock in the textile mills in ducts and where the goods might not _orne parts of the country like Bom- be moving fast, necessary financial bay city, West Bengal, Ahmedabad credit will be given to maintain some- and some mills in other areas. It is what larger stocks on the basis of estimated that the industry as a whole study of individual mills and their is surrently carrying about 4·3 lakhs problems. The State Governments of bales of 1500 metres each, which is concerned have, therefore, been asked about an average of 6~ weeks' stock. to study such special problems of individual mills in consullation with These stocks with mills cannot be the local labour and industry and t'Onsidered as very unusual although necessary steps are being taken to atocks are slightly higher than what enable such mills to carry on some- had been held by the mills in the what larger stocks and continue nor- recent past. The inr~ would be mal production. attributable mainly to the lower off- w.ke by the consuming areas in the Shri Harish Chandra Mathur f"O$e- North-eastern States due to the pre- Mr. Speaker: Alter such a long llent situation. statement, are any supplementary Government do not consider the questions necessary? position as alarming. The Reserve Shrl Barish Chandra Mathur: I Bank of India are already alive to the would like to ask only two questions. need for financial accommodation to mills to the extent unnecessary to May I know whether Government keep up the tempo of production. are in a position to assure the House 5077 Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Ora! Answers

'hat the production will in no case be Ex-INA Personnel affected, and if there is any such situa- S.N.Q. 12. Shri Dari Vishnu Kamath: tion, they will be prepared to maintain Will the Minister of Defence be buffer stocks? pleased to state: Shri Manubhai Shah: The an.iwer to (a) whether any decision has been the first part is categorical that we do taken with regard to the employment want to maintain productioT]. In what manner it will be done, whether by of ex-INA personnel in the armed forces as combatants or trainers or in maintaining buffer stocks or by assis- tance to individual mills or by taking any other cap'aeity during the present any other suitable measures will be a period Of the emergency; and matter to be considered from time to (b) if so, the nature and details' .ime. thereof? Shri Barish Chandra Mathur: The Deputy Minister in the MInis- believe that it has been decided that try of Defence (Shri D. R. Chavan): We mUSt have consumc,rs' co-operative (a) and (b). Ex-INA personnel with stores. May I know what progress previous military service are eligible has been made in the matter of estab- for re-employment or re-enrolment in lishment of consumer co-operative the Army in the same way as other stores, and whether these consumers' ex-servicemen of the Army. Thus they co-opcrntive stores will be of any have-- assistance in the take-off and to relieve the mills on the one hand, and (i) to be in Medical Category 'A'; w assure timely supplies at all other levels on the other? (ii) to confonn to the physical standards of height, weight and Shri Manubhai Shah: Taking the chest measurements prescribed latter part of the question first, there for fresh recruits which have been is no difficulty in the maintenance of relaxed to some ex:, 'lt during the the; supply line at all. Regarding the period of thp pret l' 'I emergency; establishment of con"umers' co-opera- and tive; stores, several steps have been taken in the matter and these are (iii) to be within the following being expedited. These stores will age-limits:- definitely help in better distribution (1) Junior Commis- at economic prices. But the real sioned Officers 48 years. question is that a! far as the main- (2) Other Ranks .. 45 years. tenance of production is concerned, (3) Non-Combatants ateps are being taken to assist the (Enrolled) 50 years. mills concerned. Shrl YaJnlk: May I know whether Shri Dari Vishnu Kamath: Is it a any proposal for the reduction of fact that the former personnel of the prices of cloth has been considered by Azad Hind Fauj who fought so patrio- Government, and whether the prices tically and so valiantly under the are not actually being reduced in some heroic and inspJrlng leadership ot places in order to reduce the stocks of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose and cotton? hastened the day of India's deliverance have, through their association or 8hri Manabhai Shah: That does nOl through their representatives, made a arise out of the main question. The representation to Government in this stamped prices are only the ceiling matter about their services being prices. The mills arc, therefore, utilised at the present time of emer- free to sell at lower than stamped gency, and if so, has the representa- prices and these lower prices are tion been considered, and if it hu ~t legal priees. been considered, with what result,. 5079 Oral Answers DECEMBER 10, 1962 Oral Answers 5080

Shri D. R. Chavan: No representa- Army? If so, has any action been tion has been received. taken by Government? Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Has Gov- 8hri D. R. Chavan: As I have al- ernment made any attempt to contact ready said, they are already eligible the ex-INA As:;oC',atic:n in the capital for recruitment. They can offer their or their representatives who are in services and they can be recruited, high civilian employ at the moment, subject to suitability. particularly with regard to enlisting Mr. Speaker: They would be wel- the services of the Kohima and Im- come there. phal veterans who can very well serve as trainers, nut merely in conventional ~ f~~ ~ 'flIT ~ ~ot but particular;y in guerilla 1l warfare, in the art. science and tech- ;;wr ~ t f'f; 'lfmf ~ 1f;') ~ nique of guerilla warfare, whic.h is ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f'f; ~ ~ the need of the hour? ~ 'li'nr it 1foTll' m em:; fnf~ ~rr Shri D. R. Chavan: There is no ~ 'liT;;ft ~ if; fW1; ~ necessity of making. any contact as (f"mil (flffi: ;;rr ~ ~ they are already eJigible for recruit- m<: q'f'ffilri' 1f;'T ment.. ~ fW1; ~ ~ Sl'fC(f 1f;'T r~ ? ll'R Qt, (f) ~ ~ it 'llRf ~ Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: My ~ tion· has not been answered. 1f;'T 'NT srfuf'filfT ~

Mr. Speaker: Order, order. He will ~~ ~~ ; ;;ft ~ ~ m<: kindly !'slen to me. The question (f"mil ~ 'l;f['fi fu1fu ~ ~~ fW1; was whether any contact had been made. To that, the answer is that ~

Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: There ~ Shri D. R. Chavan: That is under no necessity even? This is an amaz- consideration. ing attitude on the part of Govern- ment in an emergency. There is no ~ ~~ f~ : 'fllf -q ;;wr ~ consciousness right in Delhi .... t f'f; ~o t:;.fo ~o if; 'llW

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE MINUTES OF THIRD SITTING

Annual Report of Praga ToOls Cor- Shri Man Singh P. Patel (Meh- poration, Review by Government sana): I beg to lay on the Table the on the working of the above Cor- Minutes of the Third sitting of thto poration etc. Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House held The Minister of Steel and Heavy during the Third Session. Industries (Shri C. Subramaniam): I beg to lay on the Table a copy each Of the fcJlowing papers: 12.15 hrs. (i) Annual Report ot the Praga TOols CorpoI1ation Limited, PRESIDENT'S ASSENT TO BILLS Secunderabad, for the year Secretary: Sir, I lay on the Table ~ 1961-62 along with the audit- following two Bills passed by the ed accounts and the com- Houses Of Parliament during the cur- ments of the Comptroller and rent SessiOn and assented to by the Auditer General thereon, President since a report was last made under SUb-section (1) of sec- to the House on the 3rd December. tion 619A of the Companies 1962:- Act, 1956. (1) The Indian Tariff (Amendment) (ii) Review by the Government Bill, 1962. on the working of the above Corporation. (2) The Employees' Provident fPlaced in Library. See No. LT- Funds (Amendment) Bill, 1962. 640/62]. DECEMBER 10, 1962 Motion re: Border situa- 5084 tion re.ru1tinll from the invasion of India bll China 12. 15! hrs. November in Our forces having to withdraw from Sela and Walong, and MOTION RE: BORDE1t SITUATION somewhat later from Bomdi La. RESULTING FROM THE INVASION OF INDIA BY CHINA On the 21st November, the Chinese Government issued a statement mak- The Prime MiVister and Minister of ing a uniliateral announceoment of External Mairs anll Minister of cease-flre as from the midnight of Atomic Energy (Shri Jawaharlal November 21st-22nd, and a withdra- Nehru): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to wal of their forces from December 1st. move: On the 23rd we asked for some clari- "That the border situation result- fications, and received a reply on the ing from the invasion of India by 26th November. On the 30th w. China be taken into consideration." sought further clarifications. On the 22nd November, the Govern- About a month ago, on the 8th ment of Ceylon announced that they November, I placed a Resolution be- had called a conference of six non- fore this House on the Proclamation aligned countries in Colombo. The of Emergency resulting from the ag- date for this was subsequently chang- gression and invasion by China. This er!, and it is due to begin, or was followed by another Resolution rather has begun, in Colombo to- dealing with this aggression and inva- day. sion and how China had betrayed the friendship and goodwill Of India as On the 28th Nov€'!llber, a letter was well as the principles of Panchsheel received from Premier Chou En-I ai, which had been agreed between the urging the Prime Minister of India to two countries. After recording the give a positive response, th1l is to high appreciation' of the House of the accept the Chinese offer of cease-fire valiJant struggle of the men and offi- land withdrawal, with all the other cers of our armed forces and paying provisos contained in it. I replied to its respectful homage to the martyrs this on the 1st December. These letter, who had laid down their lives in de- have been given in full, together fending the integrity of the mother- with sc>me maps in the pamphlet issu- land, this HOUse recorded its pro- ed by the External Affairs Ministry found appreciation Of the wonderful entitled "Chinese Aggression in War and spontaneous response of the and Peace", people of India to the emergency and The cease-fire took effect as stated, the crisis that had arisen. The House though there were a number of brea- affirmed the firm resolve of the In- ches of it on the Chinese side in the dian people to rid the sacred soil of first few days. It is not yet quite India of the aggressor, however long clear how far the withdrawals of the and hard the struggle may be. There Chinese forces have been effected. To was a long discussion on this Resolu- same extent this has been done, but tiOn and a very large and record considerable Chinese forces are appa- number of hon. Members spoke on rently still in some forward positio!Ul. it. On the 14th of November, this On the 5th of December, the Resolution was passed not only unani- Chinese Red Cross handed over 64 ffic>usly, but in an unusual mlanner, wounded and sick prisoners of war by all Members standing and pledging to the Indian Red Cross Society at themselves to what it contained. By Bomdi La. (I'hey have !Stated that that pledge we stand. they wiJI hand over more such wound- Two or three days later, the Chinese ed prisoners within the next few days. forces mounted a massive attack on Soon after the Chinese attack on our position at the Sela Pass las also the 20th October, a three-point pro- at Walong. Thia resulted, on the 18th posal was made by the Chinese, B11&- Moticm re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation ~o6 f'erulting from the invasion of India by China gesting a cease-fire and wLthdrawal ernment agree or does it not agree of their forces, provided India agreed that the offidals of the two sidee to these proposals; otherwise, the fight- should meet and discuss matters relat- ing may restart. On the 22nd Octob- ing to the withdrawal of the aImed ber, stated that we were unable forces of each party to form a demi- to accept this proposal and that litarised zone, establishment of check. our proposal a bou t the restora- posts as well as the return Of captur- tion of the status quo prior to the ed personnel? 8th September WlBS a simple and Before I answer these questions, straightforward one. This Wall the should like to remind the House of only way of undoing at least part of the past history Of these incursiorul the great damage done by the latest and aggressions. I shall not go back Chinese aggression. The Chinese pro- five years or more when these aggres- posal made on the 21st November for sions started in . That has cease-fire and withdrawal wlas a re- been repeatedly stated in this House, petition Of their proposal of the 24th but I should like to remind the House October with the addition of a uni- that before the 8th September, 1962, lateral declaration of a cease-fire and there was no active aggressions on the withdrawal. NEFA frontier by the Chinese except I v,'I'ote to Premier Chou En-lai on in regard to the small frontier village, December 1, indicating that lihe Longji. Not only was no further three-point proposal made by the aggression there but in. the past re- Chinese violated the principles that peated assurances were given that the Chinese had themselves been ad- the so-called MacMahon line would vocating in their documents and cor- not be crossed by the Chinese and Tespondence. We could not oompro- that although they considered thW mise with this further aggression nor line an illegal one and imposed by the can we permit the aggressor to .retain then British Government, they would the position he had acquired by force acknowledge it as indeed they have clear and precise instructions ,1S they have never beeH, so tar as I to the ceasefire and withdrawal .1.r- know of history, at any time of his- rangements which they are supposed tory. And, they prc.ach against i1'l- to implement. Unless they receive perialism and act themselves in the these instructions, which must be 3S old imperIalist and expansIOnist way. the result of an aj(reement betwee:l Altogether, their po:icy seems to be the Governments of India and China, one of unabashed chauvinism. They they will be unable to function. have referred, as hon. Members may Therefore it has to be determined pre_ have noticed, to their frontier guards viously w'hich line is to be imple- being attacked by Indian forces and mented. Between the line of actual acting in self-defencp It is curious control immediately priOr to 8th that acting in selt ·defence they, have September 1962, and that of 7th Nov- occupied another :ill/OO square miles ember, 1959 as defined by China" of Indian terrii.ory. The whole thing there is a great difference of about is so m3nifcstly aad so outrageously, 2,500 square rrriles of Indian terri- what shall I say, improper and wrong, tory which China occupied as a rewlt and utter misusp of words that it is of invasion and massive attacks dur- a little difficult to deal with persons ing the last three months. The Chinese who use words fwith different mean- Government by defining this line in ings, what we may call, double talk. its oWn way wants <'0 retain the. ad- I regret to say that I have been forced Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 Border situation re.tutt- ~0 ing from the. invasion 01 India by China rShri Jawaharlal Nehru) to the conchsiun thut the word of thE" peaceful methods that should be used Chinese Goverrun.,-nt cannot be r'"iied for resolving the basic disputel'l. upon. Hon. Members may have read the pleas which we have repeated seve- The Chinese threat hgamst India is ral times in our communications to the a long-term one and the last five Chinese Government or the Chinese years, and ~n ~ to the last tnree Premier that we should explore ave- months, ha','e broa;.:ht out th.;, b ... .';c nues of peaceful approach; apart expansionist and imrerialist ~tt~ from meeting each other, explore .of China. This is a continuing threat other avenues of settling these quell- to the innn~ and t.~rtor tions peacefuL I am prepared whe. integrity of India. We cannot sub- the time comes, provided there is ap- mit to this challenge and must face proval of Parliament, even to refer it with all the consequences that it the basic dispute of the claims o. may bring. the frontier to an international body As the world knows, we are a like the International Court of JUl'l- peaceful people and have always tice at The Hague. I submit that tried to adhere to peaceful methods. there is no fairer and more reason- It is not any choice of ours that we able approach than what I have have been driven to war-like activi- indicated. But that also can only ties. But the defence of our mother come when the aggression is vacated land is the first essential duty tor and the position as it was before the -every Indian. and imperialist and ex- 8th September is restored. pansionist challenge to that is not The Colombo Conference which only a challenge to Us but to the is meeting today is considering world. as ii is a flagrant violation of what recommendations honourable to international law and practice. If both sides it might makc to resolve this aggresison is tolerated and acqui- the differcnces between India and esced in today. it will continue to be China. We recognise their friendly a threat not only to India but also feelings and their weI! meant at- ,to other countnes in Asia and will tempts to solve, or at any rate to be a bad precedent for the world. We lessen, this crisis. I trust, however, will, therdorn , endeavour to the ut- that they will appreciate that there most of our ab'lity to face this chal- can be no compromise with aggres- lenge and to protect our motherland. s10n and an expanding imperialism But. at the same time, we shall al- and that the gains of aggression mu.t ways seek peacefUl methods to re- be given up before both the partiep solve and dispute but conditions for try to resolve their disputes. a peaceful approach have to be We have long followed a policy of created if this is to yield any fruit. non-alignment, and, I believe firmly What China has done is an insult that this was a right policy. It means to the conscience of the world. That our not joining any military bloc or is clear from the great response that military purpose. I thinj{ that policy We have received from a large num- should continue. But we must take ber·of countries. We still hope that all necessary measures to defend our our peaceful al\d reasonab1e approa- motherland and take the help of our ches will be r~ to. Otherwise, friendly countries who are willing to this conflic t may spread and bring assist us in this sacred task. disaster on a wide-spread scale, not We are very grateful to the coun- only to India and China but to the tries which have come to our aid at world. One" these preliminary con- this moment of crisis and have ex- ditions that we have suggested are tended their full sympathy and 5Up- met, we can consider further the POrt to u& I believe 'Chat even the)' 50 93 Motion re: AGRAHAYANA-19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation 5094 resulting from the invasion of India by China appreciate that it would be wrong Soon after the Chinese invasion of for us to abandon the policy of non- the 20th October, the House may re- alignment. It is odd-it is well to member, I indicated that this struggle remember-that the one country that or war, whatever shape it might take, does not approve of non-alignment will be a long one. It may even last for us or for anybody is China; they five years or more. I think, the take some satisfaction in that. They country and all of US should bear .go on repeating that by circumstances this in mind. It is a long and bi: they will compel us to abandon it effort that we have to make. I feel, and so we have abandoned it. So, it and I speak in all honesty. is clear and hon. Members can them- selves realise how the Chinese out- I feel confident that we shall win look in this matter is utterly different in the struggle. But '.it will re- not only from ours but from that of quire our hardest effort and many most countries in the world. sacrifices and a .dusal, whatever happens, to bow down to these im- All of us in this House and in the perialist tactics of China. We have country, naturally, and, if I may say to remember above all that we fight so, rightly feel strongly on this sub- not for fighting's sake but to save ject. Nevertheless, I have endea- our country. ~ is a matter of survi- voured to speak in a moderate lan- val of freedom and a free society in guage because I have felt that the India, and to further the cause ~ are grave and cannot be dealt of peace in the world, because it with lightly or merely by abuse. The would be a poor thing if in attemp- future of our country is at stake. We ting to save our country we somehow have to rise to the occasion to consi- helped in the process of on~r der the mighty problems that face ting this into a terrible world war. us. They have many aspects-mili- We have to keep all this in mind. tary, economic, the future relations But, for the moment, the major thing of two of the greatest countries in before us is to protect our country Asia and the future of world peace. and OUr freedom which we achieved Though we may feel passionately after so long, after so many difficult- about these problems, we may not ies and sacrifices. This House has al- allow our passions to run away with ready expressed itself in the Reso- us and lead us to wrong courses. But lutiOn which it passed on the 14th of it is clear that the future for us is a November and clearly stated what it hard one and our people must there- is determined to do and taken the fore prepare themselves in every way pledge. By that pledge we shaH stand to meet it. We shall have to streng- and I hope we shall honour it in then ourselves in every way and full. mobilise our country for it. We are Shri Shlvaji Rao S. Deshmukh trying to do that. (Parbhani): One, minute, Sir. Mr. Speaker: No. Let me put the Even though there is no nctual Motion. fighting at present, thp £'mergency and the danger continue and wi1J Shri Shivaji Rao S. Deshmukh: Let Us accept this motion unanimou.sly continue so long as in~ prc,ent without any further debate. I would policy and military postures onti~ request hon. Members to withdraw to be a threat to our indeppndence their amendments. and integrity. , Let us, therefore, give all our strength to meeting this threat Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The and, at the same time, not forget hon. Member has not read thl'! motion. that we have to win the peece and What can we accept here? It is only further the cauae of peace. to be considered. 5095 Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 Border situation result- 5096 ing from t~ invasion at India bll China [Mr. Speaker] Motion moved: the invasion of India by China, is "That the border situation re- of the opinion that not enough is sulting from the invasion of India being done to give practical shape by China be taken into considera- to the marvellous spirit of sacri- tion." fice and patriotic fervour display- ed spontaneously by our masses There are certain substitution mo- and to develop our national tion, moved. No. 1 is by Shri P. K. defence til ~t Chinese aggres- Deo and some others of the Swa- sion, and that the country and the tantra party. Is it moved? world should be informed that the Shri P. K. Deo (Kalahandi): 'l treacherous Chinese cease-fire pro- move. posal only seeks to keep the I Mr. Speaker: Second, by Shri Ram Chinese on Indian soil and pre- Scwak Yadav. vent India from properly fortify- ing and guarding all the strategic ~f~ ~ ~ pusses and place;;, which had been ~t~~~r~~ I desecrated by the Chinese aggres- Mr. Speaker: NO.3. By Shri Siva- sion and to keep out of India's murthi Swamy. control Tawang, Longju, Walong, Dh'pula and other strategic moull- Shri Sivamurthi Swam,.: (Koppa!): tain passes in the NEFA region, I move. Barahoti, Niti and Mana passes in Mr. Speaker: No.4. By Shri Pra- U.P., Shipkela in Punjab and kash Vir Shastri. Chusul, airfields Shri Prakash Vir Shastri (Bijnor): and 43 check posts in the Ladakh I move. region, though nominally kept Mr. Speaker: NO.5. Shri Surendra- within the area covered by this nath Dwivedy. cease-fire offer and under dispute and that Government should pro- Shri Surendranath Dwivedy (Ken- ceed to take all necessary and drapara): I move. unflagging steps calculated to Mr. Speaker: NO.6. Ram Sewak vacate the country from Chinese Yadav. aggression, and therefore urges Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: I move. that- Mr. Speaker: Nos. 7 and S, not (i) no negotiations should be moved. No.9. entered into with the aggressor until and unless the Chinese Shri Vidya Oharan Shukla (Maha- samund): I move. Government agrees and takes effective steps to withdraw her Mr. Speaker: No. 10, Shri A. S. forces and check-posts to the Saigal. actual and customary tradition- Shri A. S. Saigal (Janjgir): al and lawfUl boundaries; move. (ii) in view of the solemn Mr. Speaker: These Motions aLso resolution passed unanimously arc deemed to have been moved it by the House on the 14th Nov- they are admissible and otherwise in ember, 1962, the Chinese pro- order. posals should be rejected and defence and other forces and Shri P. K. Dec: I beg to 'move: equipment should be developed That for the original motion, the rapidly and at the appropriate foHowing be substituted namely:- time, notice spould be given "This House, having considered that if the Chinese aggression is the border situation resulting from not fully vacated, India should 50 97 Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation 5098 resulting from the invasic>rt of India by China nol be held respomible for the cepted any line other than what military consequences following it was on the 15th August, 1947; from India's just and honourable (ii) aggression can only be attempts to vacate aggression; resisted if India builds up poli- (iii) The Government should tical and military strength; refer this unprovokated Chinese aggression to the U.N. Assembly (iii) the Government of India and seek the goodwill and active should not relax their efforts at any moment hereafter to drive ~ort of the U.N. in this sacred task of freeing India from out the Chinese from our sacred Chinese aggression; soil; and (iv) India should break off (iv) the present defence policy diplomatic relations with China; of the Government of India to meet the challenge of Chinese (V) the Government should invasion is satisfactory." (3) seek and obta'n massive mili- tary assistance and aid of all Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: I beg to kinds from all friendly nations move: by calling them into association That for the original motion, the with us in this defence of world following be substituted, namely:- democracy as against such Communist and imperialist ag- "This House having considered gression; the border situation resulting from (vi) the Government should the invasion of India by China, is take sincere and active steps of the opinion that- to rpach an effective settlement (i) in view of the unpre- with Pakistan; and cedented spirit of selfless sacri- (vii) the Government should fice and unity displayed by the give facilities to Dalai Lama to people in the country in the act freely on political plane." (1) momen::, c" ,:iC present national rf.~ no negotiations or Sltri Sivamurthi Swami: I beg to talks should be held with China move: so long as the Chinese troops are not totally ,withdrawn from That for the original motion, the the Indi ing from the invasion of India by China [Shri Surendranath Dwivedy] the invasion of India by China "'l'his House, having considered reaffirms the resolution passed the border situation resulting from unanimously on the 14th Novem- the invasion of India by China, ber, 1962, and is firmly of opinion approves of the po !icy of the Gov- that the Chinese proposals of 21st ernment of India with regard November, 1962 be rejected, and thereto." (l0) preparations for building up our Mr. Speaker: Now, the original military strength with all possible motion as well ·as these substitute speed, in particular reinforcing motions are before the House. our agricu1lural and industrial base with a view to gearing our We have the whole of today for this economy to the needs of the na- discussion. I have only to repeat this tional emergency, and se<:uring and remind hon. Members, after military and economic assistance listening to the sta (ement of the from all friendlY countries, be Prime Minister, that the situation is continued vigorously with firm grave. The issues involved are very determination to clear every inch grave. The matter is delicate to be of our territory now occupied by dealt with. In my opinion, the situa- the enemy." (5) ti~n does not demand that there should be long speeches. Hon. Mem- Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: I beg to bers may kindly keep that in mind move: and they would speak only those things that are relevant to this Motion That for the original motion, the and also be conscious of the respon- following be substituted, namely:- sibili ty that they have got. This is "This House, having considered Qnly what I have got to say. the border situation resulting from the invasion of India by China, is About the time, I think the Leaders of opinion that the policy of the might take 15 to 20 minutes. Would Government of India to start that be all right? negotiations on the condition of withdrawal by the Chinese ag- Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: gressors to the line of control as Twenty-five minues. on the 8th September, 1962 should be rejected, and nn negotiations Mr. Speaker: For the Congress should be undertaken till the '.1embers 10 mjnutes. I will have to Chinese aggressors withdraw to accommodate a larger number. They the Indian boundary as it existed ought not to take more than 10 minutes. Hon. Members of the Op- on the 15th August, 1947." (6) position require more than that though Shri Vidya Charan Shukla: I beg to I would request them also to be very move: hrief. No long spee<:hes are requir- ed. They can give their view point3 That for the original motion, the within 10 minutes. I will give them following be sUbstituted, namely:- up to twenty minutes. if they want. "This House, having considered the border situation resultin.g from Shri Surendrana,th Dwivedy: the invasion Of India by China, Twenty-five minutes. approves of the measures and policy adopted by the Cffivem- Mr. Speaker: I will be calling the ment to meet it." (9) hon. Prime Minister at 4.30. Shr! A. S. Saigal: I beg to move: Shti liar! Vishnu Kamath: That for the original motion, the !Hoshangabad): He may reply'" to- following be substitU'ted, namely:- morrow. SIOI Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation 50~ resulting from the invasion of India by China Mr. Speaker; No. will give the a basis which does not condone· Opposition Members as much time as aggression. I can. In this regvern- mcnt have put to the Indian ~rn Shn J:lwaharlal Nehru: It has not ment are couched in a manner which oeen received fr= any formal chan- is almost reminiscent of the law court nelE. Some notes by monitoring their whCTe somebody is in the dock as a broadcasts have been obtained. prisoner and he is asked certain QlIcstions as if by wav of cross-exa- Shri H. N. Mukerjee (Calcutta Cen- m'nation one sovereig;; State can get tral): I am sure the House welcomes answers frD'ffi another sovereign State. this opportunity of reiterating the pledge, as the Prime Minister put it, Even so, the Prime Minister has whic:, was implicit in the resolution given answers, answers which per- which we passed unanimously and haps he might not have given, but he with aodamation on the 14th of has given those answers, and in the November. It was the day that we spirit whiCh has already been reitera- met for the first time in this session ted by this House. This country does that we started discussion of that not believe in horse-trading. This resolution, and then we adopted it, country docs not go about saying one thing now and another thing a little and as now We are on the evc of going into recess, we reiterate tInt later only becaUse of opportunistic pledge. Tndia stands united and circumstances. We have already made solidly determined behind the Prime our statement, a uniteq national for- Minister and his policies, in so br as mulation of this country that the repelling the danger which the Chinese minimum corrective adion which invasiOn of this country representlf. China has to adopt is to go back to the status quo before 8th September, Today, at Colombo, as the Prime 1962, and that remains the position Minister also has informed the House, which the Prime Minister has reitera- the conference of non-aligned count- tell today. ries has begun. These countries which have met at Colombo may not be very It is good also, as the Prime Minis- rich like ourselves in the world's ter has pointed out, that morally to- goods, but they are our friends, and day China is isolated. Even in these ..... e welcome their meeting; we cherish dark days when moral power does whatever assistance can be given to not seem to be so very effective, when us by friendly nations, if they cap physical power ~ to be ruling the contribute to the ending of hostilities roost, let Us not forget that, after all, a.nd the beginning of settlement on a in moral strength there is something basis whiCh is consistent with the which physical power as such can honour and dignity of our country, on never hope to attain. In this coun- 5103 Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 Border situation result- SI04 ing from the invasion of India /.1y China [Shri H. N. Mukerjee] try, we know of the sages saying: arrogance today has forgotten thOlle ~if ~iif ~fif lessons, to learn those lessons over ij'em.rrfiJr Ii again. The reason why the country ~ m '!ottl' fif~ : if~ stands today solidly and in a deter- .~~~i mined fashion united behind the ? Prime Minister is that today he re- Shri H. N. Mukerjee: All weapons presents the spirit of our country. would be destroyed by only one in- Whatever differences We might have strument of ffior~ force, and that had. and which we may still continue moral force today, let us not forget it, to huve with him, we know that in is working iii favour of the legitimate his spirit of resistance to the Chinese stand which I ndia has taken up. aggression, he represents whatever is (Interruptions) . most pertinent and most memorable Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Moral in the traditions of OUr country. We force should not be so offensive as to have got to mobilise all those tradi- provoke talk. tions today if we are going really and Shri B. N. Mukerjee: More than trUly to be strong to face the world 60 countries of the world have already with the appearance of not only given their categorical supPOrt to the physical capability but of or~ ;,Jlen- cause Of India. As far as the socialist dour. That is exactly what has been world is on~rn. I do not know if sought to be done, and that is why apart from the People's Republic of I welcome heartily the reiteration by China and Albania, any other socia- the Prime Minister of Indi1's devotion list country really and truly has to peaCe and to the principle of non- pulled its weight in favour of China. alignment, the reiteration by the It is exactly the contrary. The Inter- Prime Minister of India's readi- national Communist Movement, in ao ness to have this aggression vacated far as the meetings of the Communist aft er the status quo ante before the Party of Italy or Of the Communist 8th September 1962 is restored. The Party of Czechoslovakia are any indi- readiness is even there to refer thi. cations, has very definitely told China matter to the International Court of that her behaviour is absolutely out Justice. There can be no further of conformitv with the canons of the examplp of the readiness of India to cummunist ideolOgy which China pro- settle a matter which has gone out fesses to further. of its hands only because of the in- It is very clear that China in her transigence of a country which has pseudo-revolutionary arrogance has forgotten its fundamental socialu,t spurned some -Of the basic tenets of principles and has launched on a communism. It is not unusual in the camer of expansionism, which the history of revolution that degeneratiOn world's conscience h>as certainly COJl- of this sort takes place. In the French demned, and that is why today it i. Revolution, we noticed not only the so good that we are remC'lllbering reaction of Thermidor but the ap- theSe things. pearance of Bonapartism. But China 13 hrs. should know that communist Bona- W e ~ take all necessary mea- partism is a contradiction in terms. sures, we shall do our duty. Our Communism is not a matter of export. duty :s to defend our country. That If on~n is to grow in this comes first. I know that our wishes country, it has to grow from within. are certainly that We do noot let the It cannot, and must not, come in the world be convulsed in a conflagration. baggage of 03n army, to whichever The Prime Minister said himself that country that army might belong. it\ would be a' tragic thing, if in order These are the lessons Of revollution, to do our duty, in order to defend the th.r lessons Of international commu- integrity of our country, we help cer- nism, and it is for China which in her tain things to happen which may 5105 Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation 5106 resulting from the invasion of India by China bring about a world war. It would be bers of Parliament So succinctly illus- a tragic things. We can only do our trates, the Prime Minister has taken duty, that is to defend the integrity a strictly principled stand. And it Is of our country, knowing full well that perhaps one of the traditions of our we shall succeed in doing so because country that we relate our philosophy we have not only the determined will of life to our practice in the dust and of our OWn people, but the support din of a life and death struggle. After and the moral concience of the world. aI!, the Gila was preached literally on And that is why we have to keep in a field of battle. mind not only the desirability, the Shri Priya Gupta (Katihar): Gita? urgency, the absolute paramountcy of What. part of Marxism is it? our doing our national duty, but also the desirability of keeping OUr minds Mr. Speakeor: Order, order. He and hearts fixed on the idea of peace ought to be patient. for the entire world. Shri H. N. Mukerjee: I do not know That is the way in which the Prime if reference to the basic traditions of Minister has gone ahead, and that is our glory, to the glory of India, gives Why I say we remain prepared to do rise to certain meretricious observa- whatever is necessary to maintain the tions and comments, but I propose to defence of the country, but we do ignore them. My point is that it is not forget the wider demands of the in the tradition of India that in the world outside, we do not forget the d'arkest and most dismal days, on the reasons why our friends of the non- field of battle even, we try to relate aligned world have come to Colombo OUr conduct to whatever philosophy to confabulate, We do not forget how that we have got, and the Prime and why the conscience of the world Minister has sought to do so. The has been roused today against what- reason why the country is rOused and ever China has been trying to do. determined is that we recal! the glory, So, we shall need courage, we shall Our history has so far illustrated, and need idealism, a healthy and invinci- these are qualities which we shall ble national pride and we Slhall need have to mobilise. practical commonsense. These are I do not wish to refer in any de- qualities which the Pri'Ille Minister in tail to other matters, matters like the his policy pre-eminently represents. talks which are SOOn going to begin It is a pity when world events have between India and Pakistan, and to brought about a creative reorientation many other things. They have re- in sodalist programmes, when even levance to the subject, but I am not in the United States a certain resi- going 10 refer to them' because today, lience appears in their foreign policy, here and now, at this Parliament it when even the United States has to is not for Us to discuss things which recognise that IndLa must be non- might even remotely be a bone of aligned, ought to be non-aligned- con1ention. Let us today here and now when today the world is going to be concentrate on reiterating the restored to normalcy, 10 decency, pledge which we have taken. w hen this kind of resilience has ap- Let us today' be conscious of the peared on the international scene-- fact that the position is dif/lcult. but that China remains hOPped up in a even though the position is difficult, world of her imagining and launches we shall find a way to the light, there on adventures that cause so much is no doubt about it. havoc. She has not hesitated to let Long years ago, our forefathen slip the talk of war on a country (interruptions) .... I know some peo dedicated to the ways of peace, as Is pie might laugh, might say: you are our India. a communist, what do you care for In our correspondence with China, the traditions of this country, but I as this pamphlet circulated to Mem- haVe always known this, that bet- Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 Border situation result- 5108 ing from tIle invasion of India by China rShri H. N. Mukerjee] ween communism and the deepest at the same time defend the honour patriotism, there is not the slightest nnd integrity of our country. discrepancy, and I have tried to nur- Come what may, whatever the provo- hire myself on whatever is best in cations from China, from any other the traditions of my country, and I side, whoever might like to fish in always try to link my thought> with troi.lbled waters, whatever happens, the thought in my own country. let Us try to maintain and develop When I was thinking of the difficult this unity which has taken place; times through which we are going maintain it as the apple Of our eye these days, I retailed the words in and cherish it as something more the Kathopanishad: worth-while than any expression in werds. Then, ,and then alone, shall ~~rr II 1'1'Hlf'll 00 we not only overcome this present difficulty, shall we not only be vic- ~ ~ Afmrr ~ torious over the kind of challenge which China has thrown to us, but ~~ 'Fcf1.it n by re-shuffling the pled stand, namely' that we want Defence Ministry, by taking aid from peace, we cherish peace. friendly countries and by streamlin- ing our defence production.

fsn:rr;r- m f~ ~ff~ Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The f..-oWrt m r..~o ~ hon. Member will kindly resume his sell. Some han. Members are not It is peace that we cherish, there attending at all. They do not know is no doubt about it, but for the sake that the proceedings have stopped; of peace, we are not going to barter but they contribute their own proceed- away our honour. We love our country dings! because we love honour more. That Shrl p. K. DeO: We have no doubt is why peace with honour is some- that the 20th October, 1962 is a turn- thing which is the objective of our in.~ ·point in OUr history. It has seen country. That objective has been the end of a chapter on disillusion. It placed before the House. That has seen the end of a chapter of objective has been taken • to his ing point in our history. It has ssen heart by every one of our people, platitude, a chapter of complacency. and that is why in Parliament here It has brought a bout a great change today we have o)lly the duty, the in our attitude and in our approach to respondbility, the bounden obligation the problem which is so vital to uor to reiterate the pledge that we have country. The whole nation has risen taken for fighting for peace; we shall as one man with a determination to Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation SIlO resulting from th e invasion of India by China ~ any price to save the honour and a solemn way. It is contrary to the integrity of this country. As the ag- very aspirations and to the hopes gressor always gets an initial advan- raised in this country by the various tage, We lnd to flee scm::; reverse, ~ pronounc',ments that we are not pre- the beginning, but we h1Ve no dOUbt I'RI'€'d to talk to the aggressor so long that the final ot~o will he in our as they occupied one inch of our favour. It cannot be otherwise, when 3acred soil. By the 8th September, a na tion like India figh ts for freedom, 1962 line the Chinese will be still in fights to preserve the tcrritorbl m· occupation of 14,000 square miles of tegrity and dignity and the honout Indian soil. of the country. Let us examine why these peace prop03als came from the Chinese. I I do not wish to go into the ques- would like to analyse in my own way tion of our unpreparedness in view or these peace proposa's. The Chinese the Prime Minister's promised en- in a short period had marched in such quiry to be held at the appro'pnat" a speed that they must have spread sto.ge, but I would like to point out themselves and thinned-out and it is that the catastrophe at Sela and very difficult for them to keep the nnmdi]3 has generated a new enthu- logistic line in this mountainous siasn: and " new detcrminat ion in tne terrain which will be snowbound very minds of T n dia:1s to save this coun- soon and impassable and it will be try till the nation sheds its last drop difficult for them to keep the supply Of blood. line to their advance posts. That At this psychological moment, we might have prompted them to come get a peace offensive, so to say, of out with this proposal. Secondly, China. The first offensive came with they selected a time which they the three-point proposal which was thought wiII sYnchronise with the duly rejected by our Government and highlv inflammab'e situation in the now, within 30 hours, of the Prime rri~n. They thought that the Minister's p'edge to the nation that United States might get involved with we wiII fight to the last, comes the the situation in Cuba and may not be second offensive, by which they claim in a position to come to the military that they will withdraw even behind aid of this country. But they were the 8th -September line which has been completely disillusioned in this r~r. the suggestion from our Government I praise the statesmanship of Mr. 1'5 the basis for further talk. They Khruschev in pulling out the various say that they wiII go even behind missile installations in Cuba and the the 8th September line; that they are Russian Armv from the Carribean so prepared to go back to the 7th Nov- that a neaceful situation has develop- ember. 1959 line, but the attitude and "i! thl'r(, anrt it is now possible for the action of the Chinese have clearly tl,,. Unitpd t~t to comp with all unfolded their intention and their heln to this country. They never mind. Just now, the Prime Minister eXPI'ctl'd t~t t;melv and magnificient has quoted the Don Quixotic rejec- r,,""onse will rome from the west i.e. tion of the Chinese radio nnon~ U!'l.A. and UK for which we are SO ment last night: that they do not like ttrat"ful in thig HOllse. HArdlv did even to talk on the basis of the 8th thf'v also eXl)Pct that the Russians Septcm ber line. wil! ~int.in the attitud,. of neutra- ' litv which they have exhibited so far . . In this connection, I beg to submit China never e'{peete,l that Russia will that most of us on this side of the ~o on nnorin~ ib various commit- House do not subscribe to the stand mnnts so far as iit~r supplv to this of our Government regarding the 8th N1llntrv is nnrn~. As pOlnted out Sentember. 1962 line. because it is bv th,. l)rpviouq soe-aker. the entire contrarv to the very pledt:e we have wnrld oninion is in I ur favour. 11lad taken on the floor of this House in ~ !"riviIege to repr"sent this country SIX I Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 o~r situation. result- S1I2 Ing jrCYm the Invasion of India by China [Shri P. K. Deo] in the Commonwealth Parliamentary Let us examine all the implications Conference aIld I could say that all of this proposal. Firstly, in the NEFA the Commonwealth countries have t~ do not recognise the Thag La got their tremendous goodwill towards rIdge as the MacMahon line. They India. They expressed their concern say the line is further sought of the as India became a victim of this cold- Nam Ka Chu river which they call blooded and unprovoked aggression of as Kechilang. If we accept the offer the Chinese. Even though in its we will have to forego Tawang, endeavour for a peaceful settlement Dhola, Longju, Walong, Dhipula and Ghana raised a controversy rrin~ other mountain passes which are of the U.K.'s supply of arms to this strategic importance to us. In the counrtry Mr. Casely Hayford, a senior middle sector we will have to dis- member their Government and Leader mantle our defence build up in our of the Ghana delegation, expressed his border and we will have to withdraw full sympathy towards India when to an area of 2,500 square miles all the facts were made known to including Bara Hoti, Niti and Mana him and he said that there should be passes in U.P., Shipki La in Punjab. an early peaceful settlement regard- It further bars us from our re- ing our border. In this regard I beg ~tiin the 43 checkposts in the to submit that the entire world Ladakh region and the Daulet Beg opinion has been in our favour. The Oldie and the airstrip which Chinese saw a more determined and we have still held against heavy odds efficient Defence Minister who has and against incessant Chinese attacks been assisted by a General as Chief and heavy casualties. The acceptance of Staff, who has the battle experi- of the proposal will have far-reaching ence of the modern warfare and who military and political repercussions. has many victories to his laurel. Last Militarily it will extricate the Chinese but not the least, the reverses at Sela, from dangerously exposed positions Bomdila and in the NEFA area, which are not adequately supported instead of demoralising our people, 'by the line of logistics. Further it ~ bound them together with a will demoralise our forces who are determination to fight till complete anxious to have an opportunity to victory is won. To China war may retrieve their honour because they are mean to divert the attention of the now better equipped. They want that people from the home front, from their a fighting chance should be given to failures in their so-caUed 'leap for- them SO that they can get back the ward', from their frustration and dis- honour. Poliotically it is a deceptive _tisfaction. But to us it means the mirage, to lure the Indian peopJe upholding of the honour, dignity, from the high resolve, to counter the independence and integrity of the splendid solidarity and fortitude of motherland. All these factors influ- this country and to damper the spon- enced China to come out with this taneous upsurge that has been seen proposal. There is nothing new about in this country. Further, it will have it. If you will read the various writ- a very bad effect in the case of our ings of Mao Tse Tung, you will find neighbours who bank so much On our that he says: "In military terms our retaliatory powers. It will also create war consists in alternate adoption of confusion in the minds of our friends the defensive and the offensive". It who have been so good to supply us is the same hot and cold treatment arms reg,arding our sincerity of which is used. by the communists as purpose. the technique of torture to break down the morale of their victims and Taking into consideration all these their resistance power in . extracting factory, I beg to submit with all humi- 'llnn l noqll lity that it is a treacherous trap to ",au SU!,lnou 5! a.r.aqJ. 'u01S6a1UO:l humiliate us. They want that India Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation resulting from the invasion of India by China should eat a humble pie but it is not Prime Minister. We are prepared to poss1ble. The entire proposal should go to the International Court of forthwith be rejected. The proper Justice because ours is a just cause. place for this proposal is in the waste Even when it is referred to the United paper basket. Even after the cease- Nations, I feel that i! the question of fire the Chinese have been firing at veto comes in the present context, our soldiers who had been retreating. USSR would definitely support We have a·lso seen that at Tenga India's cause and. will not exercise Valley between Bomdila and Foot- its veto power in favour of China. hills they have erected a sort of a check gate. We have learnt that they How we miss Sardar Patel at this are leaving these areas heG"ily mined hour of need! There a·re men of and leaving behind cells of espionage talent in this country. In this con- and sabotage about which we should nection, I would draw the attention be careful. There is a saying "once of the House to the statement of Dr. bitten twice shy". So, I beg to sub- Rajendra Prasad, which has come out mit that no useful purpose would be this morning. He has called for a served in pursuing these talks. Could broadbased Government of talents at we ever expect that Churchill could the centre. The defence of the coun- be asking for negotiation !tfter Dun- try should be viewed from a nation- kirk? This proposal is a challenge to alist viewpoint. It should not be the manhood and to the honour of viewed from a party angle or from .this country and should be rejected a group perspective. Now that Mr. forthwith. Krishna Menon has gone, for balance have two suggestions. Our of groups, Mr. Bijoy Patnaik has to relationship with Pakistan should be called here and given a separate improve. We are all anxious for it. room in the External Affairs Minis- We hope that the mission which is try .... .being headed by Shri Swaran Singh would be crowned with success, not, Mr. Speaker: Order, order. He Is of course, at the concession of our going into personalities. I would not Indian territory. We expect that Gen. allow that. Ayub, as a real statesman and soldier, Shri P. K. Deo: With these words, will not create such impediments In support the amendment. the progress of our friendly talks. Shri U N. Dhebar (Rajkot): Mr. Secondly I beg to submit that it Speaker, 'Sir, I thank you first of all is high tim'e for us to re-appraise our for giving me this opportunity to non-alignment policy. Our Prime express a few thoughts on this motion Minister has spoken here that so far moved by the Prime Minister. The as China is concerned, non-alignment latest statement of the Chinese Gov- is meaningless. I also subscribe to his view. We should join some defen- ernment is an ultimatum to India and sive bloc, - so that we can get arms I am looking at the present motion aid free and we need not have to in the background of that ultimatium. pay for this arms supply, because we You will remember that the cease-fire need our foreign exchange for our proposal was suggested by China to development purposes. We cannot the world at large, before it was for- afford to win the war and lose the warded to the Government of India. ~. There must be a strong econo- Now that China has come out with mic background to help our war a statement and a declaration, putting efforts. ,three questions to the Government of India it becomes our duty to point Then I beg to submit that the out t~ the world some of the inescap- matter' should be referred to the able conclusions which the present United Nations, as pointed out by the cease-fire proposals demonstrate. Motion re; D:ECE1!BER 10, 1962 Border sItuation result- SII6 ing from the .invasion of India by China [Shri U. N. D:1ebarj What was the purpose of the ccase- ~n of that size to do something fi.·c propos::!l? It was a ni~r 1:101'1' t,an merely defending its own proposal. At that time an appearal1CC fo~tir. And, that is slowly coming was sought to be made that the Ollt bit by bit. Chinese Government keen on peace did not c}"--peet anything from the The second thing that we have to Government of India. But now the realise as a part of the Chinese policy cat is out of the bag, and we know is this. Unlike the other Communist what was the content, what was the parties of the world China has implication behind the Chinese pro- accepted as a policy,' rather than posal. They want-what was a unila- building up communism from below 1eral proposal-that proposal to be even by subversive activities, to dis- concedEd in its vital aspects by the member country after country in Asia. Government of India as the proposal China is trying to do that. There is, is to be operated. It does not strike for instance, Korea. There are for anybody who is prepared to consider iclstance, French Indo-China, 'Laos this aspect, what was then the mean- and Cambodia. The whole purpose CYf ing in making a unilateral proposal this move is to dismember this sub- at all. If the Government of India continent by lulling one country, by was not expected anything to contri- over-awing another country and by bute in the bringing about of the threa.tening another country. It ill ,peace which the Chinese Government just to disintegrate, dismember limb .pretended it was so keen upon, how by limb this part of the sub-continent . does a question now arise of the Gov- ernment of India giving answers to The third thing is, it is necesssary these three questions? Obviously, the we understand why China is running whole ide'a behind it was propaganda, this g:llne. It is for the simple reason propaganda to secure t:me, propa- thet in Asia there exists a country of ganda to put India into a wrong 45 cro"es of people which has under- position. taken a scheme of development which pramiseo to give to the peop'e of the Let us, at this juncture, understand under-developed world quite an the real motive behind the whole alternative on the basis of human aggressive attitude of China. It was freedom and On the basis of peace. not ~r to gain a few square miles, That China is not in a positi·on to as I said on the last occasion. The ,bear. These are th'e three pUI"poSes .motive of China "an best be under- lying behind this aggression of the stood if we know the real nature of 8th of September. Chinese policies and the preparations Chinn is making in order to enforce It is necessary that India and the those policies. world at large understand the true motives because it appears to me that Asia, I do not think, has ever seen some of the countries, while they a country so armed to the teeth as express great sympathy for us and we see China today. My hon. friend, are prepared to lend support to Ull, Shri Ram Sewak Yadav made a com- they still do not realise that what is plaint against me. May be he is right; happening to India is going to happen I do not W13.nt to quarrel with him. to other parts of the world tomorrow, But I want to emphasise once again specifically Asia and Africa. The before this House that we have got to threat that China presents to the undermand the motives of a man from world through threat to their fron- the actions of that man, not merely tiers with India is not confined to from thE' words he uses. Man intends India alone; it will extend tomorrow the nah:.ral consequences of his act, to other parts of Asia and other parts and China, I have no doubt in my .of AfrlC'a. So, in dealing with the mind; intends upon rf'aring a giant Sino-Indian question, it is necessary Motion re: AGAAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation SnS remlting from the invaaion of India by China not only for India but for the Afro- There is one item before us. Can we Asian countries, the non-aligned at this juncture, when an ultimatum countries and the world at large to has come to us in concrete form, understand the true nature and the while we have taken this pledge, true implications of this move on the decide simultaneously to concentrate part of China. all our energies as &Oon as we leave from this House to this task? There Secondly, what is the dispute? are other tasks also which are await- China says: you accept the 7th Nov- ing us. Every minute counts, every ember line. What is the sacredness day counts, and if this vast man- of the 7th November line? India has power is used, it can not only give' not committed aggression upon China; us the resources but can sustain the it is China that has committed aggres- present spirit of resistance that has sion upon India. And India is attach- developed in the country, and can ing importance to the 8th September also lend support, both direct and line simply because it is that line indirect to the forces that are fighting which symbolises the real motive on the front. behind the present move on the part of China. I would urge upon the House that before we pledge ourselves, as we We object not only to the unilateral have pledged Q"urselves on the pre- alteration of boundaries but to unila- vious occasion,we really feel that teTa I altera tion of boundaries by our duty is to perform by the country force. The question between India and to give our maximum support to and China today is whether in Asia, the Government in these tasks, fOT whether in the world, we shall submit ultimately in a military conflict what to this unilateral alteration of boun- counts are the physical resources as daries by force. That is the issue well and we have got to provide the before us. physical resources to the Government. Shri Dasappa (Bangalore): Sir, I Thirdly, as yesterday's broackast join in welcoming the very firm and or the statement shows, China has ~trioti stand taken by our beloved made up its mind. This House and leader, a stand which, I am sure, mir- the country have made up their mind rors the throbbing of the hearts of as well. How shall we follow it up? millions in India, a stand which finds Vast masses of people-are ready to an echo in the hearts of the entire help in the war effort with men, with nation. It is very rarely that in the money, with anything that is requir- history of a nation a momen,t like this ed in order to protect the integrity arrives when it gives every oppor- of this country. The question is of tunitv for thp best in that nation to channelising this vast popular up- nif~t itself. It is a great hour of surge, natural and spontaneous. Two trial for this nation. Are we going things strike me. One is the vast to rise equal to the task or becaue of labour force. India has a reserve of any weakness in us of which there labour force, semi-used or unused, has been ample evidence in the cen- and that labour power is the capital turies past will we go under? That of India. Can we utilise this labour is the great issue that Is before the power in constructive channels whic-h country. If we could read the sigris would not only help the eountry in of the times and gauge the kind and its development but also help the war extent of response that we have had. effort? The Government of India. I think, we could very wen find the specially the Plannin·g Commission, answer on this occasion. A nation of ha ve made a suggestion that the vast 430 millions determined to meet and man-power maybe utilized for con- face the opposition and prepared for structive purposes In building up irri- any sacrifice that may be called for gation works, channels especlalJy. can never be defeated. I am glad' that S II9 Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 Border situation result- 5120 ing frum the invasion of India by China [Shri U. N. Dhebar] on this occasion there is not a single of viotory what did Mao Tse-tung dissentient voice in the country, here and Chou En-lai do? They offered on the floor of the House or else- the olive branch of peace to the where, which will sound a discordant Kuomintang forces. This is the kind note so far as the stand taken by the of strategy that they have developed. hon. Prime Minister is concerned. We should beware even now of 13.38 lin. these tacties. Their propaganda machinery will be infinitely stronger [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] than anything that we imagine today. I would suggest to the Q{Jvernment It is in perfect keeping with the and to everybody, and I would like honour and self-respect of this to remind the House also, that this is nation. It is a stand which, I am sure, not the last of their strategies so far enhances the prestige of this nation as propaganda is concerned: they will in the eyes of the world. Anything make it much stronger, and pervasive. little less qualifying or less definite As honourable friends have already than the firm stand that has been said, here are fifty or sixty nations taken would certainly have affected which have already sympathised with the prestige of this nation. This is the the position in which we find our- reason why I say that what this stand selves today. Yet, with all that against of the hon. PrNne Minister has given them, and with very little of open to the country is a great clarion call support from their own socialist to the nation. It is upto us to respond brothers, they still have taken up a to it in a suitable manner. But I would stand like this. I am rather surprised say that there are certain snags in that they should have done so and the proposals that have been made whether after all they have been wise and that we have got to be guarded in trying to land their own country in against those things. The Chinese such a predicament as this. have only followed one of their old practices of trying to take attack and My hon. friend, Shri H. N. Muker- then sue for peace. This is a very old jee, made a veu eloquent appeal on practice of Mao Tse-tung. Therefore this occasion. I want to take him at if they have adopted that same prac- his word. Whatever some of my other tice today, we need not be taken by friends may feel, I want to take him surprise. I t is a strange thing that at his word. And I am sure the stand in spite of the history of Chinese that he took up is a thing which will revolutions and the various institu- be welcomed by the Government as tions we have had, there are still well as the peopJe of this country, as people in our land who are a little also by the rest of the world. Take, gullible and who fall victims to these also the attitude of the other socialist machinations. countries so far as Chinese invasion of India is concerned. We have Mr. Chou En-lai, Prime Minister of had the conference in Italy. As China, is supposed to be a most resi- was stated, except Albania, a small lient and a most gifted negotiator the little tiny counrtry, China could not world has ever seen. This is a thing muster any other friend even among which is well known. When Kuomin- the communist countries to support tang's Chiang Kai-shek wanted the the stand that it has taken. Evident- co-operation of the communists as ly, I believe-I can only guess it- against the Japanese, it is he who they want the hegemony of the world; .represented the communists. And they want to see that even Russia there he was able to score. Again, takes a secondary place. when the communists became stronger in Chin.a and when Manchuria was at Therefore we must be very careful their feet and Peking fell, in the flush with regard to the propaganda engine 5121 Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation 5122 resulting from the invasion of India by China that they may forge hereafter in order greatest amount of co-operation to to win over some of the Asian and the Government and sound no dis- African countries. cordant voice of any kind; and then I am sure the Goddess of Victory Then, my hon. friend, Shri P. K. will be on our side. Deo of the Swatantra Party, referred to the question of the need for a Shrl U. M. Trivedi (Mandsaur): reorientation of our non-alignment Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, we are today policy. I think the Prime Minister discussing the question of cease-fire made it amply clear that even those here. This cease-fire in the present who are very eager to assist us and instance appears to me to be a ques- who have helped us at this hour of tion of object surrender on our part, crisis, they themselves do not want and I do not think that we should us to change our policy of non-align- mince words in descr1bing what this ment. They want us to keep up the unilateral cease-fire means. For policy of non-alignment. Only the studying this question we have to other day Mr. Averell Harriman said study the life of Mao Tse-tung. that they would like India to pursue Studying it, we come to this one and the police of non-alignment and be single conclusion that, just like Hitler, friendly to Russia. I feel, therefore, he has written down in so many that it would be wholly unwise on words, in black and white, what his our part to think of changing this game is and how he wants to achieve policy 01 non-alignment. They are it. willing to give us all the help that we need, and I see no reason why we The story of the Chinese aggres- should now change the policy which sion, in China itself and in other pays us ample dividends. places also, wherever they have done it, is: attack, pause, placate, attack. Sir, I will only say a word before The technique is: attack, pause, pla- sit down. The relationship between cate and attack. This is a continuous China and Russia is not the same process for them which they are today as it was some time back. And follOWing to a pattern in our country. I consider that this behaviour of China Therefore, we should not be taken in towards India has largely contributed 'by the words of unilateral cease-fire. to this relationship of somewhat of We have accepted this. In a way, an estrangement between Russia and we have accepted this. The state- China. Russia is a real lover of ment by our Prime Minister on Friday peace, as I consider, and wants to be has indicated

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There is an,!wI' th':1g we must tell Sir. I feel that rs something which our people. And it requires a little we must ~t that our reverses il'l courage, because it is an admission the Dhola area, 'our reverses in Se La, of failure, an admission of failure in our reverses at Bomdila which camf! the NEF A area. But let us make it almost as a shook to us, were not Tf!- "el'y clear to our people. Leaders of verses of our fighing men, but were groups on this side when they speak reverses which sometimes occurred in_ are not very clear. Let us make it evitably, reverses Of inexperienced, dear to our people that the reverses bad generalsh!p. Thank God, we hav. in the NEFA area were not the re- h3d the courage to recognise that and \'erses of our fighting men. The re- we have in the picture fighting Gene- \'erses in the NEF A area were the r,ls who will command their troops reverses of inexperienced. bad general_ and inspire their jawans with thf! ~i. It was a misake. But let us n(,pessary confidence. admit that mistllke. Let ~ put the blame clearly. There is no shame in admitting it. Other democracies, As I said, OUr publicity on the mi- caught unprepared, have also had to litary and civilian side has been want- dispense with their doddering Gene- ing. We have to tell our people what rals; they also have had to dispense really happened in Ladakh, that thl! with their arm-chair Generals; they fighting in Ladakh has, if anything, also had to dispen"" with their politi- added lustre to the shining image at cian-Generals wh'l had broken under the Indian jawan. the grim reality of war. Thank God, we have repaired that mistake. Shri Tyagl: It was a feat. say this advisedly. I do not think am giving away any secret. Mr. Shri Frank Anthony: What hap- Averell Harriman is known to be a p!'npd? Ye3, we lost posts, but undoc hard-headed negotiator, but some of Us what conditions? How many people' who met him also realised that he is did we have? It is not an open secret. ('xtremely clear-headed. One of the We put posts there, whatever the rea- things 1 made to him when I met him sons were with 20 men, 30 men. was this: 'I hope after their survey by What ~ they fighting against? the Military Mission in the NEFA They were lucky they were fighting at area, there would be no misinterpret- odds of 10 to I. And how did they ing which would lend itself to a tar- fight? We have not played this up. nishing of the image of India's jawan.' Some of them withdrew, not many. Because, as we aU knov.-·. it is a shin- They fought, they killed many many ing image. It is an image, an impe- times their number. We do not know rishable image, an image inscribed in the reasons, but apparently they had blood and valour over the hattie-fields limited supplies of ammunition. But 51 73 Motion n.': AGRAHA Y ANA In, I ~ (SAKA) BonteI' sitllation 5 17, resulting from til<' invasio11 of lndt" by China w11<.'" thos" limited supplies were ex- line be'fore' the 8th September 1962- hau,ted, they did not withdraw, They I11an)' of u.< in this House felt that fought with cold >m officers who have come back. And then what happened? The cal- It was a story in the tlnest tradition culated insult to this country has never of Indian valour, a story of grim be!'n underlined. In his letter Of the courage, of fierce, unyielding tenacity. 28th Novemb('r, Chou En-Iai, emulat- Yes. that is the picture that I feel ing hi" master Mao Tsc-tung, living ~ must draw for our people. We hi,; dictum that policies come out of musl ~ it on record. It is the least the barrel of a gun, what did he say? that We owe to our fighting jawans. I have got his exact words here. His Mr. Speaker: His time is up. exact words. written then to the Prime Minister. were: Shr! f'rank Anthony: May I have a fe-w more minutes? "In case the Indian side should refuse to co-operate, then the Mr. Speaker: I am hard·oresse'.l. cease-tire which has been effected is liable to be set aside." Shri Frank Anthony: We "'SO owe it to OUr own people. We must pro- Here, Sir, is an ultimatum, with all d!tim to our people the real reason for its humi'liating terms, r.~nt out the Chinese withdrawal. It was a re- 01 the barrel of a gun, an insult to the lrcllt, Ii calculated retreat but camou- manhoOd of India. Thank God our flaged with typical Chine'se cunning. people and the Government have rt'a- They tried to make the most out of Jised ti~. this retreat and they offered Us tenns I iust want to end by underlining a in the insolent, arrogant language of few urgent tasks b fa'iow. My hon. o~ conquer"rs. friend Dhebarji has said that we have Herc I just want to say a few words, no time to lose. I agree with him. Let if you will permit me tlve minutes us have no illusions about the Chinese. more, about the otTer of the 21st lf we are working throughout the day, they are working day and night. And November. I think it" hn.; been suffi- ciently analysed. Not very much there are certain vital tasks to which more need be said about it. When it w" huve to Rodr",' or~ .. s. and I hope we have learnt the ~n al- !int came to this House, I said, 'What does it mean?'. They have said that ready. I have no doubt that the Chi- this so-called offer of the 21st was an nes" are Itsing this lull to consolidate offer to promote realisation ClI their their advance bases. three-point propJsal of the 24th Octo- Shrl Tyagl: It is a camouftage. ber. That had already been rejected by this House; it had already bt-rn re- Shrl Frank AIIthony: I saw an item jected by the Prime Minister. Then of n .. w, in one of the leading r>apertO what happened? We in turn were today saying that contrary to, giving prepared to accept withdrawal to the 8 direct lie t?, their oft'.. r of with- 51 75 Moti

'fiT ~ ~ if.t <:&IT ~ it fuit Shri M. ISmail: When the in~ I'm 'iffif rfl iflfr ;;frO[ :i" lhHt it was only a strategy, a proPil- n~ stu"t on their par! that led ~fi r~f ~ifi 'l'T 'If'I' ~f lJ"'Tijf(.ff if7 t.hMn to mnk<:> that offer. Now, that ~~ t I 1!f,' iro it ~~ 'f.T ~f hvern- ~nt and the people here. 1It;;r tti61'f ~~ $ mn ~ 'tt ~ if;f.rt q;if, rrti ~ iif~ ti~r ;r6" Their offer is that a no man's land 01 40 kilomptres must be constituted ~r +!f{i'T ~ W 'lW'l qf;;cr 'mli' ~ I all along oUr border. Whether any ~ ~ if; l'lr-f ir o.ft ~~ 'fiT 1if '(I'" po.tioll which ~ no! heen oocupied 'H, ~ fi~.?ft 'tti;iT3f by Ih<-'11 is 10 be e"cluded from that no man's lanel is nn! clear. They ask ~ • ",,4; ~ ",{'it 1'[ n .-ii '=t " t);·· invasion oj India bll Chtna by them as being OUr territory. In With the sU'ength, determination the western and central sectors, they and united support of the peopie, we want us to ~i up even Dau1atbeg ;:re going to win the war not some- OLl;, Chusrll.'j and Barahoti. In the timp in future, but very very soon, ea •.:. not to 'peak of Longju WhlCh we shaJl, God willmg, be bl('ssecl with .. ,',., in dispc.lte from the very begin- success. There is one more point. The nin~ of the aggression, they are ask- gun that is shooting us is trained and lOf LIS to g;':" up even Walong, Jang directed towards Our immt'diate neigh_ an" Tawang. This means two things. bour, Paki5t'ill. It is a pity that :riT I Ilfi !I;fif' ~ 'TIT i,te!'; and his Government and it t'''peets him to carrYon the WBr with lffi'fTq ~ fm<: ~r so that the Membprs 'may go to the fnft ~ lfT'1 "''' ",;i people. who elected them, and make m OTfiffl "1'r'f, m them keep up their enthusiasm and i~~f~~~~ alsu intenl"ijfy their pnthusiusnl tor the 'fiT m;rr ~ Ofn mft 'I7<:i'ff "flfm, I ~fif ~n i~.iff 'f>"T ~ ~ff ~ ~ f'f. 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At the same amazing capacity for double talk (In- 11me, I am living in the hope that a terruption). That is why it is hlgh day will come, and I am prepared 11) time that he realised that this is a way to be patiently waiting fOr that day. inflicted upon ''" by China because when the Prime Minister will be able China ~ impe"ialistic and also com- to give that clarion caIl whil'h " munistiC'. It i, no use keeping our needed in order to inspil't, our peop1l' cyt's blind-folded in this manner. to redouble their efforts and help them to go with him in implementing Sir, J cannot congratulate him on the hope and faith pxnressed by thi, his m'\\' suggestion that he has made. HOlt'e, that the Hou.e has affinnen H" s('ems to I", coming forward with the firm resolve of the Indian peopie a DC'\\" sugg{';;;: 10') ~r t11ne he speaks to drive out the aggressoJ.' from the' in this Hou,'", Thl' ~tion is that saned soil of India however long we would ~4 to the Hague Court. It is eithpr too latc or too early. is too and hard that trt~ n1:J.Y be. Tlli.:' It Primc Minister said that it might late I)""""se in those days before 1959 We should h3\'(' thought of it and we take possibly rh'" year" Thl' COllllt1'\' I am sure will be really to back ,hould have demanded that those tht' leadership of the country and peopl(' shOUld go to that court. There and the Parliament with till' dTur: wac, '"l instance in the past. When that the people would be makinr, there was a dispute hctween Norway thrOtlgh their Govl'rnlTIPnt in ordr'J' 10 and ~nr over Greenland, the Hagu0 Court decided that matter. drive ~ the aggressor froll1 our If territory, w(' go through the details of that court decision. we will find that we would Rut. at th(' saIne time, it is l1l'ces- ('('rtainl.\' be abl<' to get a decision in ';"\l'y for us. lor uur .:;lJ ...... ~rnnnt tel Our favour in the Hague Court. Why ;eek plain massivl' military assistance is it that the Government did not go and aid of all kinds from all friendly there then'! Why is it thM they think nations by nll;"g them into associa- of it now when we are forced into tion-we an' no: ealling it alliance or war and we arc at war now. But he ~t Or anything like it-with us in was saying: "at the end of the war". this defence Of world democracy as C0rtainly. at the end of the war. Are against this communist and imperia- they to b(' defeated? They need not list ar,gression. This morning, I was be defeated, but we would certainly wondering wh,' th(· Prime Minister drive them out of the country just as was a\·oiding the expression "CO'm- the Chinese were driven out in Korea, munisl China". and he hims"l! has just as the Americans were kept on said about China in one of his this side of the 38th Parallel. So .peech('s: "I must confess that the also. ther" would come a time when Cl1i:J(,sc attempt to make falsehood the Chinese would b" kept out of our appear to be the truth and ihe truth country. Then we would be able, in :0 be the falsphood has amazed me". order to settl" how we should Jive in rp ThJ rl h(" said: "To say that we a peace regard to our broad border, to c"mmitting aggression on Chinp

1' I."t only with the efforts of their own case is': It is something other than people but also with the moral, "ar, though ('onnect.ed with war. m3terial support of all thuse people B0C'ausl', China attaches u great dc'al , ... l'lu 10\"(> clenlocra('y. pn.\ce and of importance to what they may ~. df'cency. what they may feel.

Slir; .lawaharlal Nehru: MI'. Somebody asked me: w"'y have you Speaker Sir, ever since we had been allowed the sending of a deputation, involved ;n war and war-like opera- from here to Colombo? I have not l,ons, there is no lack of experts on sent any deputation, but I am vcry lililitary strategy in this country. I glad they went. They asked me, and know I receive large numbers of I said "certainly, it is up to you to go letters telling me what shouid be done t.here', because I knew, because I was on the military lin!'. I am not refer- surf', even though it might do no good, ring to hon. Members here--of course, ""rtainl)' it could do no harm; and. they are presumpd to be experts in possibly, it could do some good. Also, !'vcrything. thert' was no question of foreign e,,- Shrl Ranga: We take our cue from ('hange involved or anything, and I. the Prime Minister. definitely think they wouk! do possi- Shrl JawaharlaJ Nehru: I do not bly more good than many others who pretend to be an expert in military m;ght be, in the opinion of some hon. rna tt!'rs though I have naturally read Members, perhaps more stouter cham- something about it, followed the pions of our causc'. But the whole course of the last few wars and so on. roint is, who can approach a c(·rt:.lin I offer them, but in the ultimate pRrty with some effect. Suppose I lary mallers, if I ha\'e any ideas to offer. have to send a person, wherever it I ofTer them. but in the ultimate may be, say, to some region in Africa. ~n sis in purely military matters it I shal! choose some one, 110t because i:-; 1h(' juriglTIl'nt of our experts, our of hi" brilliance in the knowledce or mllit:>!'v ;Idvisers, that must prevail. history of India, past or present, but That i~ obvious. Of course, one can because of his knowledge of how to rliscuss it. Then, everybody i~ a judge "pproach the African people and their in political and diplomatic matters ('ountry. If I have to send a person to and, naturally, al1 of us here are more the Soviet Union, I will send a per- used to think, more concerned about son ...... them and have ,0;l1e experience of An Don. Member: A Communist. them. I venture to say, first of all, that war cannot be considered in a Shrl Jawaharlal Nehru .... a person vacuum, saying it is war. Some hon. whose approach, whose voice counta. Members, some leading members of there. It is no good sending rof~ 5 1 97 AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border sitlLation 51<)8 resulting from ti,e invasion of ["dia flU China l;anga to the Soviet Union. There can pages. By the time we have read it. he no donot, I say so with all respect we are confused as to what we have' \" Sh,-i Hanga, that his going there read, unless we analyse it carefully. ~.i .. ruin our cause, so far as the An lion. Member: TIle'\ IS (hel! Soviet Union is concerned, object. Shri Ranga: I perfectly ogree with SlIri Jawaharlal Nehru: BecauS(' ot yOH. Ihi, trouble that we have had with Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: He is pre- t~ long statements, most of which pared to agree with me. Therefore, have been seen by hon. Members, 'me has to think of what is good in a cenain confusion is created. the given circumstances and who is And regret to SHy th,:! our gODd in a particular context of a parti- ri~ to thcm were, though not lhat- cular country. You have always to long, still fairly long. think even when you are warring m Wco have to deal with this malter terms of politics and diplomacy. 'l'hat with diplomacy because while we are is an essential part of it. In the telling them something We arC' telling biggest war, in the most fatal war, the the world sonwthing. Then' is .;uch ,('cond world war, diplomacy and a thing as the world, a.' other nations politics always played their role in in Afl'ica, in Asia. in Europe and in publicity, propaganda etc. I say all America. Hon. ML'11lhers seem to this because this idea that we must go think that because they Rnd w<' arc I ike a bull' in a China shop, destroy eonvinced of the fact, tl", world must "yerything ancl win the war has no nec<'ssarily be convinc('d of lh" fact meaning at all. One should always and all that We hnve to do i, t() tell think of the consequences of every them. That is not conect. W" have a,ction that one takes; the conse- to tell them the parliculJlr context, eX- quenees m!ly be not only hurting the plain to them and tell them thai we I'ncmy but, may be, hurting us in a are adopting an attiude that is right round about way, and may even hurt and reasonabl". B"cause, nobody In the lX'ace that We are after. All these the wide wolid is going to go through are well-known maxims ot approach. all th!' statement mad", by u. to ChIna I think Mr. Winston Churchill was or by China to us. They go by bl'oad quoted. He was a big leader, a fine facts. It may be that they ar" ill- leader in war time. It is his strength disposed to China and so they may that yOU admire. But behind that accept what We say; not becau,;e of the strength lay a great deal of experience argument. Or, it may he that they in diplomacy, politics and all that. are well-disposed to us and so they You must remember that too. will accept what WP .ay. But most people are nf'itill'r ii~ri to on(' I am afraid, there is some confusion party or the otlwr. They have to be in the minds of hon. Members with convinced b/ r"asonablenes,. by reference to the Sino-Indian dispute trn~~t hy :ilj t~5 factors. That i.q bC'Cause of the spate of correspondence. where the political "pproach and the Thi-ck printed volumes arc full of it. diplomatic appl'oach come in. I am And the Chinese Government is parti- not for the moment saying that our cularly adept at producing enormous- approach h",_ be"n perfectly political ly long ,iatements. This very state- or diplomatic. but I am sttggpstinr: for ment which came, which they issued the consideration of the House that yesterday and which, I believe, has these factor, ha",' alway. to be eonsi- been received sometime today, by dered. The bull-in-the-China-sh()p midday today or this afternoon, copies attitude does not pay anywhere. Even of which have probably been placed the strongest countries in the world. in the library of Parliament, contains it they adopt that attitude, will be ten or twelve fully-typed foolscap laughed at by others. 1 Motion re: '5 99 DECEMBER 10, 1962 Border situation result- 5200 ing from the im,asion of India by China Shri Tyal'i: Why do you bother if tion, shall I say, in a perverted and it is a China shop? insidious manner? I put it to you: Shri lawahar!al Nehru: I am sorry, suppose they had suggested at an I was not thinking in that connec- earlier stage, some four or five years tion. ago, "our claim line is this, (his is our lcr,ltory' and so on and WI' had said Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: China .shop, not China's shop. 17 hrs . Shri lawaharlal Nehru: It is obvioLls "No". They said, "All right". Apart that We have to deal with an extra- from war how do We decide it? Could ordinarily difficult situation. When we have told them, "No, we will nol you are in war or '''1 the verge of war, talk to you about it"? Obviously, if when ~ are going to war with a this kind of thing happens and th('re country like China, whatever your ,'re two countries disputing ahoul f('elings may be about China, quite some territories, it has to bc dee idcd apart from that, China is one of the with peaceful methods, whatever the greatest, biggest and most powerful peaceful methods may be. But nor- .countries of the world. Let us realise mally one does not go to war. some- that. Everybody knows that. So, it times one may. But they, without is not, as some han. Members men- raising this question in that way, tion, like taking some step as in Goa misled us to begin with because of ·or something. Apparently, in his rh?ir maps and then gradually built the Aksai Chin Road and gradually mind the two were connpctf'd. It is a ·difficult matter. nibbled away little bits 01 Tibet and so on. That was a thing which was, if I As I said this morning, in my mind may say so, a highly ilnpropcr prt){'P I have tried to analyse this objectively ~. Apart fro mthe thing itself, the and passively and I am convinced procedure was wrong and showed a that China cannot have her way in bad mentality. ·this matter and we will have our way in this matter. Why? 'Because of Sa, I was saying that this is a ques- variou3 factors; apart from the tion far greater and bigger than the strength that we may have built up, territories which China has aggressed because China is' functioning across upon, although that is important enough for ll'. That itself will be ·Our frontiers. If we, with the same strength, wanted to function across quite important and strong enough an the Chinese frontier, we will be in a argument for us to resist it with all weak position and they would be in our might. But there is something a much stronger position. It is not a infinitely more in it. Even the ques- question of our being stronger than tion of territory is inlportant for ~. China or China being stronger than Why? Han. Members have quoted some slokas from the and us. It is a question of how and where Raghuvamsa other places. The Himalyas, as every they function and for what reason. Indian knows and ought to know, is a Shri Ranga: She is an aggressor. part of the bone and blood of India. It is not just a bit of territory thrown Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Quite out. For thousands of years ull our right, because she is an aggressor. ancient books, all our medieval books, Also, the realisation of this fact is nil our literature and all our classical coming more and more to people in books are full of the Himalayas. Our other parts of the world. As Shri gods are supposed to live in the Khadilkar has stated, this is something Himalayas. Our culture is there. infinitely more than a dispute a con- Everything is th('re. So, it is a much troversy or struggle for some terri- more intimate part of us than just a tory; territory, of course there is, but bit of territory. But 1"t that be; that it is something infinitely more impor- is for us. But there ;" something more -.tan!. China has aproached this ques- to it. SU>I Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Borde-.. situation 5202 resIL/.ting from the invasion of India by China The rest of the world is not concern- Shri r~ Nehru: I cannllL ed with our Sl'ntimental attachment bandy wO;'(ls WIth a lady Member .... with the Himalayas. But they are (Interruption) . concerned very much with the attitude that China has taken up in various Shri n"rn Barua: Chi\'alr)'. matters. It is well known. It is not for me to say what it is. But in the S'!ri Jawahar"'i Nehru: was Communbt ranks, between. the big- venturing to point out thnt there ::re gest Communist countries, that is, the big questions in the world. One of Soviet Union and China, there is no! the biggest-i t is not often said in much love lost. That is a well known public but I shall say it-is the future fact. of the relations of the Soviet Union with China. This is a world question Shri Ranga: As between England in which every Chancery in the world and America. They are together. is deeply intcre.':ted, whether it is the They are together here also. United States. England. France, Ger- many, Yugosluvia or any other coun- Shri JawaharlaJ Nehru: My .diffi- try. culty is that Professor Ranga pretends Shri Ranga: Another dream! to be an expert about things he knows nothing about ...... (Interruption). I am sorry. Shri Jawahal'lal Nehru: It is. So, if one dab!:)les in politics or diplomacy. one has to keep this picture befon' Shrimati Gayatri Devi (Jaipur): If one. If one dabbles in war. one has the han. Prime Minister had known to kcl'p very much this picture before anything about anything, we would one and not take a line or :m attitude !l.ot have got into this mc's today. which may be harmfUl and which sometiml's is bound to be harmfuL Shr! Jawaharlal Nehru: I could not catch what the han. Member said. What Professor Ranga says or the attitude that he :;uggcsts is not only Mr. Speaker: That was nothing likely to be harmful but it is patently "ery important. harmful. Anybodv with a little know- ledge of thes" ihings will see that. Shri Jawah:lrlaJ Nehru: I am sorry, He will know it. But he has not did not catch what the han. Mem- grasped the point yet and it is my ber said. It is a patent fact ...... misfortune that I cannot explai.l it to him...... (Interruption). Mr. Speaker: What we cannot hear is not important at all. ShM Harish Chandra Mathur (Jalore): Quote Harriman. Shri Hem Baraa (Gauhati): But we heard it. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: He asked me as to why I did not say that I Shrimati Gayatri Devi: might referred to Chinn as Communist repeat it. China. China is Communist, of course. We all know that. But China is Mr. Speaker: The Maharani Sahiba developing a peculiar form of Com- need not worry. Professor Ranga is munis'll which Is considered dangerous ~tron enough. He can answer ...... and harmful by even the other Com- (Interruption) . munist countries and if you bunch them all together and needlessly Shrimatl Gayatri Devl: After all, increase the animosity and opposition it the hon. Prime Minister and the to you, it is not the path of wisdom. Government had a knowledge of all I am stating it very frankly. I could these things, they would not have got go very much deeper into it, but I Us into this mess. hope with his acute intelligence. he 2405 (Ai) LSD-5. 5203 Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 Border situation resu!t- 5204 ing from thl?! invasion of India by China [Shri Jawaharlal Nehru] would grasp the point.... (Interup- conditions. Opinions may vary. Let tion). them have the best weapons, But they have been fighting with these Shri Ranga: Unfortunately, he is other weapons throughout their living in a fool's paradise. There is careers. no question whatsoever .... (Interrup- Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath tion). is all right; you are 370, so It (Hoshangabad): May we ask which you can. shout. But you cannot out- expert gave this opinion? Can the shout sense. hon. Prime Minister disclose this, which expert said this, namely, that Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Right in ,303 rifles are good enough for this. the beginning I referred to what Shri Anthony said about our soldiers and Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I am not our jawans and about their courage going to mention names, but eminent etc. Surely, there is no one here who people from outside have given this doubts that. May I add that unfortu- opinion. I say so because 8hri Kamath, nately because of the way it occurred like Professor Ranga, probably values and all that an impression has been the opinions of outsiders more than created of a terrible disaster falling that of insiders. on the Indian Army. I do not think Shri Bari Vishnu Kamath: We have that is a correct impression. Un- taken a cue from the hon. Prime doubtedly, there were defeats. We Minister who summons foreigners for need not hide the fact. But they were advising him. Always it has been so. defeats due to a variety of causes. Even for matters for which they were One han. Member wanted an inquiry not wanted, for roads, for administra- into it. No doubt, we are department- tion, for everything foreigners come ally inquiring into it. We may inquire here. Expertitis is the disease, ex- into it and more and more will come pertise they want everything. We are out. But the facts are fairly clear. blamed every time. When we raised the matter in the past we were brand- One·minor fact but having an im- ed as war-mongers. Now, when war portant bearing is that we had to send has come because of peace mongers. our soldiers rather hurriedly from (Interruption) . somewhere near spa-level to 14,000 f'et height. Normally, it take., several Mr. Speaker: There was no cause ".'eeks, three weeks at least, to accli- for such an excitement. matise; otherwise, if a person is suddenly transported, only about 30 Shri Bari Vishnu Kamath: It is per cent energy he has got; he has not hardly fair. He wants to twist us. got the rest, he might have even less. Whether it was a mistake of Mr. Speaker: Where is the cause somebody because we had to do it for such an excitement? owing to pressure of events I cannot Shri Hem Barua: On the 22nd say. But this was one factor. All this talk about weapons, clothing and food October the BBC, quoting some of our Army officers, said that the guns that is just wrong, if I may say so. Of were used by our jawans in NEFA course, if they had better weapons, were ,guns that were left over from they would have done better. Now that have given them somewhat better the Second World War. weapons, many of them prefer their Mr. Speaker: Some officers might older weapons because they are used have said one thing and others the to it. They are lighter and the new second thing. That is just possible. weapons are heavier. The experts have said that the older weapons, the Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: It is quite .303 rifles are as good as any in those right. I am merely pointing out .... Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation 5206 resulting from the invasion of India by China Shri Priya Gupta: Order an equiry. it bf'cn any other country, they would Many things. have been dismissed. Unfortunately, we have it here in this country. In Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Are any other country. they would have we shifting the shooting sourcc from been dismissed. one corner to the other'! Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: The Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Does the Prime Minister is not fair to th" hon, Member want me to answer? House.

Mr. Speaker: No. Shri Ranga: Bad conscience is there on their head and on their chest. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I really do .not understand why some han. Mem- Mr. Speaker: Order, order. ShOUld bers get rather warmed up by my very we hear the Prime Minister ..... , polite and friendly references. (Laughter). Shri Ranga: Why should he invoke conscience? Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: We are also polite. (Interruptions) . If that Mr. Speaker: Everyone had his is politeness, we return the compli- own say. Now, we have to listen to ment. (Interruption). the reply.

Shri Priya Gupta: On a point of Shrl Ranga: There is a limit. I got >order, Sir, in this national emergency, up to answer. All these gentlemen we expect the Prime Minister to be began to shout. You allow it. They more serious. What is all this laugh- got up. Cannot they be ...... ing? Mr. Speaker: It is not necessary to cast aspersions on the Chair us well. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Is he I have never encouraged or condoned sure that he is serious when he is anybody's behaviour on (hut side. interrupting? Everybody has to be 'serious. (Interruptions). Order, order. Shrj Ranga: When we get up tQ answer, they shout. Is that (he way? Shri Ram Sewak Yallav: Ask these He took the cue and he began to say musketeers to be silent. conscience. That is why I say, bad conscience is on their che,t. Shri PriYa Gupta: That is frivolous. Mr. Speaker: Would he kindly resume his seat? Mr. Speaker: Order, order now. Shri Ranga: They failed miserably Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I am sorry at this crucial hour, not once: many that the hon. Members' conscience times. Yet, they still continue to pricks them. If sometbing is pointed shout! Should this continue'! 'out, they get very angry. It is amaz- .lng. I cannot go on speaking to every- Mr. Speaker: Would h" kindly body, resume his scat? Shall I ask the Prime Minister to sit down and allow Shri Ranga: You have a guilty Shri Ranga to make another speech? .conscience on your side. You have a Shri H. P. Chatterjee: Let Pro I. bad conscience ...... Ranga be sent to the front. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Shri Rallga: Why does he invQke Shri Ranga: Yes, Sir. It is high .conscience? It is the Government that time that the Communist party $uffers from a guilty conscience. Had should have been banned. It is because Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 Border situation. result- 52 0S. ing from the invasion of India by China [Shri Ranga] of the bad conscience ci this Govern- whole Army, batches of the Army in mcnl and the Prime j ~initr that this particular tactics. these gentlemen are still carrying on the show here. The Communist Shri Hem Barua: May I know how Party should have been banned. (In- is it that the Chinese troops ...... terruptions) . (Interruption) . An Hon. Member: He is already in !\Ir. Speaker: Order, order. How is the front. it possible to conduct proceedings in this manner? Mr. Speaker: He is of course in the front. But, all attacks are being Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: It is directed towards the Chair. That is the right of every Member to inter- the only difficulty. (Interruptions). rupt, and if my hOll. friends shout us down as usual, how can we funct:on Shri Itanga: This is peoples war. in this House? (Interruption) . Shri Hem Barua: May I seek a Shri H. P. Chatterjee: I will accom- clarification? I am very polite. pany him. Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: On a point Mr. Speaker: Order, order, Mr. of order...... • Chatterjee also. I think Members have had enough. Let Us listen to him !\II'. Speaker: Point of order about patiently. my standing? Shri Priya Gupta: Shri H. P. ~ ~ ~ Chatterjee is a fellow traveller o[ the 'If! : "ATOf 'iTt Prime Minister. frf-qq ITT I the latest weapons-were swept away simply by people who had very poor ~ ~ : '3'{ 'lit ~ "".y weapons but who followed a different 'liT mq ~rrr.r efT ~ I 1l' ~ 'Iilf I tactics. I t may be asked, and qui te ~ ~ I1;'Ii if""," '3'4i if ~ itT ;;n1.l rightly. why we were ,'ot prepared for that Chinese hetics. eft Wr 'fiT OR' f'f>lIT ~ ~ ~ ? Shrl Ram Sewak Yadav: Yes. '" ~ 1I'f( ~ : 'l;"- '1.fN ~ Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: It may be ~ 'Ii@!T 'fT fit; o;rT l1'ft o't'Ii ~ ? 5209 Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation 5210 resulting tram the invasion of India by China Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: 011 a point of order. Would the hon. Prime Minis- tcr resume his scat? I had sought to raise a point of order earlier. But I have not been given an opportunity.

Mr. Speaker: What is that point of Mr. Speaker: Every Member has a order? right 10 interrupt, but certainly only if the han. Minister gives in. If he '" ~ m!fm' orq ;;rrT-;;rrT does not yield the fioor, then probably ~ iT ~ ~ .~ ;;mrr ~ 'lift m the han. Member has to sit down, and I shall allow him or give him permIs- ~~ ~ "l'RfT ~ "':W 'fCfT"I ~r sion at the end to put a question. ~ "l'RfT ~ <:fq f5~ llt,' 'fllT ~ f'fi' ";r@" ~ I WIT 'Il'rq' 11ft ~ f~ : mT ~ "fr"fT 'lot.r ~ 7 f'f>'l1 of mq; mtr If;'T 'fllT ~ ~. 7 "IT 'f>T WIT g? ~ 'fit 1;!'''W oi I "rOf ,If ~ ,'f; fi;r>i f~ ~trr ~~ f~~ it ~rff. 'lKF1 if m'l 'fi'T o~r ~ ¥ I

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Shri Su.rendranatb Dwivedy: Sir, I Shri Hari Vishau Kamath: Where is expect the Prime Minister to accept it? We have not got it. my amendment, because it is in line with what he has said. I shall read Mr. Speaker: That is only for the it. ~ .·fI approval of the policy.

Mr. Speaker: If it is in line with Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Kindly what the Prime Minister said, why read it, Sir. ihould he read it? Mr. Speaker: For the present, I am Shri Surendranatb Dwivedy: The concerned with this amendment No.5. main motion only says that the border ,ituation be taken into consideration. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: If he does My amendment says: not agree to it, it may be put to the House. That for the original motion, the foJlowing be substituted, namely:- Mr. Speaker: I shall now put amend- mtnt No.5 to the vote of the House. "This House, having considered Amendment No. 5 was put and the border situation resulting from negatived. the invasion of India by China, reaffirms the resolution passed Mr. Speaker: I shall now put amend- unanimously on the 14th Novem- ment No. 6 to the vote of the House. ber, 1962, and is firmly of opinion The question is: that the Chinese proposals of 21st November, 1962 be rejected, and "That for the original motion, preparations for building up our the following be substituted, military strength with all possible namelY:- speed, in particular reinforcing our agricultural and industrial "This House, having considered base with a view to gearing our the border situation resulting economy to the needs of the na- from the invasion of India DY :5223 Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 B07'del' situation l'eBult- 5224 ing from the invllSWn of India by China [Mr. Speaker] China, is of opmlon that the should be undertaken till the policy of the Government of Chinese aggressors withdraw India to start negotiations on 10 the Indian bondary as it the condition of withdrawal existed on the 15th ~t by the Chinese aggressors to 1947."(6) the line of control as on the • Septemb!!r, 1962 should be The Lok Sabha divided: Ayes 13; ~t and no negotiations Noes 288. Division No. 14] AYES [17'46 hrs, Rlunu Prakash Singh, Shrj HimmatsinbJi. 8hri Rang., Shri N.G. Dco,ShriP.K. Kapoor Singh. Sbri Shl'lhank Manjari, Shrimati Dharm:llinlam, Shrj Mate,Smi Yada\', Shri Ram Sewak Ga,atri Devi, Shrimatj R.ju, SlIIi D.D. YHShral in~ Shri nulshan, Shri NOES

Ahlul R.l'ihid, BlI.bhi Chanda, Shrimati JyOlSD';! Guha,Shri ..... C. Achal Singh, Shri ChaDd.t, SlIIi Gupta, Shti Bad,hah Achuthan, Shri Chlndr.lICkhar, Shrlmllti Gupta. Shri Indrajil ,... 1cklmma Devi, Shrimati Ch.maf Singh. Shri Gupta,Sbri KR. AI agcsan. Shri Chatterjee, SlIIi H.P. Gupta,Shti Ram Ritln Alva, Shri olchim Chlturvcdi, SlIIi S.N. GuPta,Shri Shiv OIarlin Ancy, Dr, M.S. Chaudhry, Sbri C.L. Ibjarn.vil, Shri Arltnll.chalam, Shri Ch1udhuri, Shrimati Kamal ... Ilanumanthaiya, Shrj :\",f.;J,d, Shri BhagW'RtJha Chavan, Shri D.R. lIaq,Shti Babunath Singh, Shri (,.haYda, Shrimati Hal'\'lni,Shri Ans:ar nakliwal.Shri Ch::niar, Shri RammOltJlan Ill7.arih,ShriJ.N. Hal Krishna. Singh, Slui ChuniLal,Shri Hem Raj. Shri 'n.llakrilihnan, Shri DaOc.Shri Iqb,l Singh, Shri 1l.dnliki, Shri DaI,Dr. M.M. hmoil,SlIIi M. n~. Shl'i S ..\1. n:z". ~ri 11. K. Jac1bav,ShriM.L. Banerjee, Ur. R. 0.", ~.ri.. B lrknto.ki. Sbrimati Renuk;l DU,ShriS.B. J.dbaY,Shri Tut.idaa Rilfrow,Shri Da_ppa, Smi J.lriivan Ram.Sbri 8.rupll, SlIIi P.L. DaSU'atha Deb, Shri JoiD,Sb.i A.P. nasalant Kunw.ri I Shrimlti O .... ShriC. JlllNDldeYi,Shrimati 8asappa,Shri Oatar, Shti J.dbc, Shri -Ba5um!ttari, Shri DeIJi, Shri Morarji Jena,Shri 8J!jwnnt. Shri O"hmukh, Dr. P.S. Joshi,Smi A.C. R:srll, Shri Dcohmukh, Shri D.O. )oahi, Shrimatl SUbhadra Rbagat, Shri B. R. De.hpandc. Shri lyoti,hi,SlIIi J.P. Dhl1kt Oatahan. Shri Dheblr, SlIIi U.N. Kododi,SlIIi Rhanj_ Deo, Shri L.N. Di,he,Shri Kajrolkar,Sbri Uhatkar, Shri Dineah Sinsh, Sbri Kamblc,Sbri IJbatu,charyya. Shri e.K, Dube, Shrl Mulcbaod Kar, Sbri Ptabhlll Rhattachllrya, Shri Dinen DubeY, Sbri R.G. "ami Singhji,Shri Bhl",ani, Sbri Lakhmu mayaperumal r Sbri Kedo'ia,SlIIiC.M. Bircn Dutta, Shri Ellu,ShrlMohammad Kbodilb',SlIIi Birendra Baha,tur SinKb. Shri I!ring, Sh.1 D. Khan,or. P.N. Bi .. , ShriJ.B.S. Pirodia, $hri Khln,ShriShaJinawl1. Boroo.h. Shri P.C. Gabnwi,Shri Klwloa,ShriMchr Chan.! Brahm l'r.lkl:.oh. Shri Gairai Singh, R:lC'I KiTkillr Lat, Shri r.i~..r Prilllad, Shr1 G .. ilOI..tC, 1>1'. Ki... un Vccr,Shli lldj Hasi Shri LaI, GanlpatJRam,Shri Kotolci.ShriLiladh.,(' lira; Raj Singb-Kotlh, Shri Gauri ShaDker. Sbri ,,"0)'1l, Shri ChakrQvartlY, Shrimati Rcnu Goni,SlIIiAbdul Ghani Kripa Shanli:er,Shri Chakrllverti, Shri P.R. GopalD,tt,Sbri Krllhna, Shri M.R. Motion re: AGRAHAYANA 19, 1884 (SAKA) Border situation 5226 Tesulting from the invasion of India bll China Krbbn:\mnchnri Shri T.T. Patel. Shli Chhotubhai Sharma, Shri K. C. Kumaran,Shri M.K. Patel ,Shri P. R. Shaah:lOk Manjari. Shrimati KUlcel. Shri B.N. Palel. 5hIi Rajtehwar Shahi Rujnan. Shri Patel,Shri.D. S. Shl!itri, Shri Lit 1Huhadl!T Lakhan Dlls. Shrj Pati!. ShriJ. S. Sheo N:l.f.Jir,. Stlli Llkshmikanth::Jmmg,Shrim:olti Putil.Shri M. B. ~in ~i Lalit Sen. Shri Pa1jI,Shri . B. ShJ((, Naray:'I Dn&.!'>bl, Laskar ShriN.R. ti.ri~. K. Sbrim;di Dr. K. L. i.ri~i Patj] .Shri T.:\. Sl1ukLi. ~ Vi(:Y;1 Ch:Jr;n Mahadeo Pr<:'sRd.Shri P;J(jl.Shri V:J5.lI1trao Sidd:m::JI1j.iPP:I. Shlj Mahgdeva t~. Dr. P,ltrluik, Shri D. C. i~ Shri MahAtah. Shri Pattflt-hi Raw;!n, Shri C. ~ .i~ 1'1';)\,1,,1. Shri Mahi'lhi,Shrimnti Sa,'.'=;I"'! Pillai. Shri N:llaroj"l in~. 5111'-' n, N. Mal:1ichami.Shri Pott:Jkbtt, Shli Sinr.h. ShTi T. n. Mfllu"iya, Slui K, D. Prabhakllr, Shri Nolval S nuh Shri K, K MandaI, Dr. Pashunti Putap SlI1gh, Silri Singh. Shri R.I'. Mancl:\l. Shr i). Raghunath Singh, Shri Singba.ShriG.K. ManiyanRadu Shri RoJahurnmaioh. Shri Sinh •. Shri Satya Nnraiyan MantTi,Shri Rai, Shrimnti Sahodrabwi Sinhn,un Singh, Shri Marandi,Sbi Raj Dah.adur, Shrj Sonavane, Shr j Masuriyu Din.Shri Raja,ShriC. R. Subremsnillm. ~ni C. Matcharaju,Shri Ram SubhagSingh, Dr. rn~0 ShriT. Mathur, Shri H:lrish Chandra. Ram S''9'arup, Shri Suma! r~. Shr i Mrotr~. Shri Br.1i Bihari RilmaS"tam" Shri S. V. Swamy, Shri M. P. Mir:imata. Shrirnati Ramll!.wamy . .shri V. K. ~. Shri Sivamunhi Mirz:l. ShriBllk.:.r Ali RamJhar.i ~ Shri S"'af:m in~ Shr; Mi~t. Shri Bihhuti H.m:pure, Shrj M. Thelma!' ti.~ .•\1. Misra, Shri Bihudhetldrw Ranan;ai Singh. Shei TiwQr}·. Shri D. N. Misra,Dr. U. Ibne. Shri Tiwary. Shri R. S. Miua, Shri ShYOln1 Dh .. r Rao,Dc. K. L. TClmbi.Shri Mo~r j Rao, Shti Hanmanth Tripathi. Shri Krishna Deo MOT3rk:J, :--1'.1 j Ran, Shri Kri!ihnamoonh., Mote. Shri K. L Tulll Ram. Shri ~i. Shri E. Madhusudan Tulmol'lan Ram. Mukane.Shti Shri Rh' SIll i RJmapathi Typgi. Shri M~rr.. Shri I-I. N. RIIO, Shr! JlrnH" 5 Ui);C'Y,Shri Mukcrjcc, Shrm, .. ti Sh:ord" Hay, Shrimati Renuka ~ri Mum:ni Shri UplI.dhysya, Shit'll Dutta ReJdi, Dr. B. Gopal.ll Murmu. Shti SurkliT Valvi, Shri Reddiar, Shri Murti.Shri/vi.S. Vuma,ShriM.L. Reddy. Shrimnti Ya!lboda Vanna, Shri Ravindra MU5afir, Shri G. S. Roy. Dr. Saradiah Veeraba,eppa, Shri Muzaffar Husain, Shri Roy, Sbri Biabwal'l.th VenUtuubbaiah. Shri Naik.ShriD.J. Saha, Dr. S. K. Naik, Shri Mnhesw:lr Venna, Shri B. Silhu, Shrj Rame!hwar Nair, Shri Vusudevan Verma,Shri K. 1<. Sail.l. Shei A. S. Vidyelanhr, ~ri A. Nandn. Shri N. Simlata, Shri S. C. Nukar, Shri P. S. Viml. Devi, Shrirnati SamnUlI, Shrj Virbbadra Singh, Shri Nehru, Shri J.lwaharlal ~ !I Ilf ~ri Sham L.1 Nisam, Shrimlitl SavitTi Vyel, Shri R.ulhtlal Satyahhllm. Devi, Shrimlltj Niranlan Lal, Shri Scir:\ i.4, Shrimlti Vjjaya Raje W.w'Wa. SMi OZll,Shti Sen, Dr. Ranen Warier.Shri Pain. 81 ,Shci Sm, Shri P. G. Pande, Shri K. N. Yada ,Shr N. P. Shah, ShrimatiJayabcn Pandey, Shri R. S. Sham N.th, Shri Yedav, Shri Ram Sewak PrIede" Sbri Sar;oo Shal'lk.raiya, Shrj Yedava, Shri B. P. PandeY. Shri Vishwa Nath Sharma, Sbri A. P. Panna L •. Shr YUJUf, Sbri Mohammad Sharma, Shri D.C. Pant, Shri K. C. Para.hlat, Shri The motion was negatived. Shri Vidya Charan Shukla. The question is: Mr. Speaker: I shall now put amend- That for the oriliinal motion, the ment No. 9 standing in the name of followin, be substituted, nameI,y:- 5227 Motion re: DECEMBER 10, 1962 Border situation result- 5228 ing from the, invasion of India by China [Mr. Speaker] Saigal need not be put now because "This House, having considered 1',,' T: ')Use has adopted the earlier the border situation resulting substltute motion. from the invasion of India by China, approves of the measures 17.48 hrs. and policy adopted by the Gov- ernment to meet it."(9) The Lok Sabha then adjourned till The motion was adopted. twelve of the Clock on Tuesday, the Mr. Speaker: Amendment No. 10 11th Devember, 19621Agrahallana 20, standing in the name of Shri A. S. 1884 (Saka). 5229 DAILY DIGEST 52 30 .[Monday, DJcemher 10, 1962/Agrahayana 19,

COLUMNS COLUMKS ORAL ANSWERS TO Ql7E;TIONS 5073-81 a!ld assented to by the Presi- S.N.Q. Subject dent sinc" the last report made No. to the House On the 3rd December, 1962 :- 10 Accident to Air India BooUlg 707 5073-75 (1) The Indian Tariff(Amend- 11 Accumulation of stock of mont) Bill, 1962. cloth with Textile Mills 5075-77 (2) The Employees' Provident 12 Ex-INA personnel 5078- 81 Funds (Amendment) Bill, 1962. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 5081-82 MOTION RE : BORDER (1) A copy each of the follow- SITUATION 5083-5228 ing papers :- (i) Annual Report of the The prime Minister and Minis- Praga Tools Corpora- ter of External Affairs and tion Limited, Secunderabad, Minister of Atomic Energy for the year 1961-62 (Shri Jawallarlal Nehru) al"llg with the Audited moved the motion regarding Accounts and the COm- border situation resulting from ments of the Co:notroller the invasion of India by China. and Auditor Gene.ral Seven suhstitute motions there- t~on under sub-sec- to were m<)ved. The Prime tion (1) of section 619A Minister replied to the debate. of the Companies Act, 1956. Substitute motions moved by Sarva,hri P.K. OeD, Sivamur- (ii) Review by the Govern- thi Swami and Surendranath ment On thc working of Dwivedy were negatived and the above Corporation. the substitute motion moved by Shri Prakash Vir Shastri (2) A copy of Annual Report was withdrawn by leave of the Registrar 0{ News- of the House. Substitute Papers for India, 1962 motion moved by Sardar A.S. (Part II). Saigal was barred. (3) A copy of the Textile On the substitute nlotion moved Machinery (Production by Shri R.S. y,dav, the and Distribution) Control House diviJ!:d and the motion Order, 1962 puhlished in was negatived. Notification No. S.O. 3219 dated the 27th Octo- Substitute motion moved. by ber, 1962, under sub- Shri Vidy. Charan Shukla section (6) of section 3 of was adopted. the Essential Commodities Act, 1955. AGENDA FOR TUESDAY DECEMBER II, 1962/AGRAHAYANA 20, IMM4 MINUTES OF COMMITTEE (SAKA) ON ABSENCE OF MEMBERS 5082 Discussion on the motion for Minutes of Third Sitting laid. reference of the Constitution (Fifteenth Amendment) Bill PRESIDENT'S ASSENT TO to a Joint Committee; motion BILLS 5082 for modification of Central Apprenticeship Council :Secretary laid on the Table the Rules, 1962 and Apprenticeship following Bills passed by Rules, 1962; and Motion the Houses of Parliament rc. : Prices of essential com- during the current Session modities.