GATEWOOD-FARNSWORTH DEBATE on My Knees and Say: "Now, Lord, Reveal That to Me
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GATE WOOD FARMSWORTH DEBATE on "MORMONISM"" Held in Salt Lake City, Utah In Beautiful Liberty Park AUGUST 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 1942 A Discussion Between OTIS GATE WOOD KENNETH E. FARNSWORTH Church of Christ and Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH Moderators JAMES D. BALES D. V. FARNSWORTH Church of Christ Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints BERKELEY, CALIF. SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH PRICE $2.50 Address all orders to OTIS GATEWOOD 1725 Lincoln Drive Abilene, Texas 79601 Foreword HIS five-night discussion between Otis Gatewood of Salt T Lake City, Utah and Kenneth E. Farnsworth of Salt Lake City, Utah, was held in Liberty Park at Salt Lake City on Aug• ust 17, 18, 19, 20 and 21, 1942. Each speech was recorded by dictaphone and transcribed for this hook. No attempt has been made to alter the speeches but rather the material has been printed exactly according to the way it was spoken on the stage. A sincere attempt has been made to bring out the book free from errors typographically but no attempt has been made to alter the language used or to delete from the record any words or add to it any argument. Mr. Gatewood and Mr. Farnsworth each went over the final proofs of their own speeches and have signified that the record is correct as printed. Therefore asking the blessing of God upon this work we send it forth to a public which is desirous of knowing the will of God. "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." Propositions Discussed PROPOSITION ONE — August 17 Resolved: "The doctrine of baptism for the dead as taught by the Church Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is in harmony with the Bible." KENNETH E. FARNSWORTH, Affirmative OTIS GATEWOOD, Negative PROPOSITION Two — August 18th and 19th Resolved: "The Book of Mormon is of Divine Origin." KENNETH E. FARNSWORTH, Affirmative OTIS GATEWOOD, Negative PROPOSITION THREE — August 20 Resolved: "The Bible is the Final and Complete Revelation from God to Man." OTIS GATEWOOD, Affirmative KENNETH E. FARNSWORTH, Negative PROPOSITION FOUR — August 21 Resolved: "The Church of Christ of which I am a member is of Divine Origin and members thereof are divinely authorized to administer in the ordinances of the gospel." OTIS GATEWOOD, Affirmative KENNETH E. FARNSWORTH, Negative OTIS GATEWOOD Church of Christ Salt Lake City, Utah KENNETH E. FARNSWORTH Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Salt Lake City, Utah Introduction Ladies and Gentlemen, we are assembled to hear this dis• cussion on religious issues. Mr. Kenneth E. Farnsworth, a mem• ber of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and Mr. Otis Gatewood, a minister of the Church of Christ. This eve• ning the proposition to be discussed is this: Resolved that the Doctrine of Baptism for the dead as taught by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is in harmony with the Bible and the Book of Mormon. In the first round each speaker will have thirty minutes, in the second each speaker twenty min• utes and the third each speaker ten minutes. The affirmative will have five minutes rejoinder. We have two time keepers: Mr. Grant Farnsworth and Mr. C. D. Preshaw. They will sig• nify to the speaker two minutes before the end of their time in the main speeches, one minute before the end of their time in the rebuttals. We take pleasure in introducing Mr. Farns• worth, who is in the affirmative at this time. Baptism For The Dead MR. FARNSWORTH, First Affirmative My dear brothers and sisters and friends, I am not here authoritatively representing the Church of Jesus Christ of Lat• ter Day Saints. However, I am a member of the Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints and believe that I have a right to defend the Gospel whenever called upon to do so. First, I will quote from the Doctrine and Covenants, section 71 verse 7, "Where• fore confound your enemies, call upon them to meet you both in public and in private and inasmuch as you are faithful, their shame shall be made manifest." Tonight I only have one motive in being here. I believe that I have always been a lover of truth and I hope that every one here will only be motivated by that one desire and that is to know the truth. As has been stated already the propo• sition is: Resolved that the doctrine of Baptism for the Dead as taught by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is in harmony with the Bible and the Book of Mormon. To start this debate, I am going to ask Mr. Gatewood this question: Mr. Gatewood, when does your church believe that the saving gospel of Christ was first preached to the world? Mr. Gatewood answered this question before the de• bate and, said the saving Gospel of Christ was not preached until after the coming of the Messiah. Now my friends, if that is true, I want to ask Mr. Gatewood what's going to be• come of father Adam. I want to ask Mr. Gatewood what's going to become of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I want to ask Brother Gatewood what's going to become of all of the prophets that died and suffered for the word of God in their day. If the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ was not preached until his coming, then those people, if my proposition (that we can do some• thing for them) is not true, then those people will be damned. I am going to quote you from Rom. 1:16, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes." Now my friends, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Don't forget that, the power of God unto salvation. And if the power of God unto salvation was not made known until Christ's second coming, I wonder what's going to happen to all of the prophets of God from that time down to Jesus Christ. We find in St. John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him I am the way the truth and 8 GATEWOOD-FARNSWORTH DEBATE the life. No man cometh unto the father but by me." Now brothers and sisters, if no man cometh unto the Father but by Christ, then I want to say, what's going to happen to those mil• lions of people including the prophets, that did not have a chance to hear Christ and his gospel in their time? I now quote from Matt. 7:14: "Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life eternal and few there be that find it." Notice it says strait is the gate, not strait are the gates; and narrow is the way, not narrow are the ways. Now since there is only one gospel and that is the only plan of God unto salvation, then what's to become of all the people from Adam's time down to the time of Jesus Christ who never heard that gospel? In Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." If that is the only name, the name of Jesus Christ, then what about those countless mil• lions of people including the prophets, that did not have a chance to hear the gospel preached in that name? We are told in Eph. 4:5, "There is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism." And if that one Lord, one faith, and one baptism was not preached until Jesus' coming, then what about those countless millions of our father's children who lived pre• vious to that time? Gal. 1:8 says, "Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." There is no other gospel. If Mr. Gatewood or any other man preaches any other gospel than that which he preached, let him be accursed. Therefore, since there is only that one gospel that Paul preached, Mr. Gatewood says that it was not preached until Jesus came to earth, then, I want to ask him again, What's going to become of father Adam, what's going to become of father Abraham, what's going to be• come of all the prophets and what's going to become of the countless millions that never had the opportunity of hearing that one and only gospel? Now so far as the law of Moses is concerned, the law of Moses did not save. There is no saving grace in the law of Moses. I'm sure my opponent will agree with this. I quote from Hebrews 7:19, "For the law made nothing perfect but the bringing in of a better hope did, by which we draw nigh unto God." Notice, the law made no man perfect; therefore, I con- GATEWOOD-FARNSWORTH DEBATE 9 tend, woe to all of those millions of people if my proposition is not true. If the gospel cannot be taught them, if they cannot have the saving ordinances of the gospel performed by proxy in their behalf, woe unto those people. Mr. Gatewood, accord• ing to your stand, those people are damned. And certainly, I don't think there is an intelligent person in this audience that will say that father Adam, father Abraham, father Isaac, and Jacob and all those great men who did not hear and obey the gospel, according to your theory are damned.