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Utah Women's Walk Oral Histories Directed by Michele Welch UTAH VALLEY UNIVERSITY Utah Valley University Library George Sutherland Archives & Special Collections Oral History Program Utah Women’s Walk Oral Histories Directed by Michele Welch Interview with Jaynann Payne by Denise Alexander & Janice Hymas April 17, 2013 Utah Women’s Walk TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET Interviewee: Jaynann Payne Interviewer: Denise Alexander Janice Hymas Place of Interview: George Sutherland Archives, UVU, Orem, Utah Date of Interview: 17 April 2013 Recordist: Recording Equipment: Zoom Recorder H4n Panasonic HD Video Camera AG-HM C709 Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe Transcribed by: Brenna McFarland and Liz Brocious Audio Transcription Edit: Lisa McMullin Reference: JP = Jaynann Payne (Interviewee) DA = Denise Alexander (Interviewer) JH = Janice Hymas (Jaynann’s Daughter and Interviewer) MW = Michele Welch (Director, Utah Women’s Walk) Brief Description of Contents: Jaynann talks about her life’s triumphs and trials. She was raised in Provo, Utah, and is the mother of twelve children. Jaynann was involved in the Mrs. America organization as Mrs. Utah. She was also involved with the IWY Conference and several other political and writing ventures. Jaynann served others throughout her life including a two-year service mission to the Philippines. Her greatest joy and accomplishment is her children. NOTE: Interjections during pauses or transitions in dialogue such as uh and false starts and starts and stops in conversations are not included in this transcript. Changes by interviewee are incorporated in text. All additions to transcript are noted with brackets. Please note that this is not a verbatim transcription of the oral interview as it has been extensively edited. Clarifications and additional information are footnoted. Audio Transcription [05:54] Beginning of interview DA: My name is Denise Alexander. Today is April 17, 2013, and I am at the library at the George Sutherland Archives on the campus of Utah Valley University. Today, along with her daughter and my good friend Jan Hymas, we are interviewing Jaynann Payne as a nominee in the Utah Women’s Walk as a notable woman who has made a significant contribution to life in the state. And if I can just say just at the beginning, that I just admired you for many years. My first experience was listening to you give a talk at BYU Education Week many years ago, and it was so inspiring to me, and I have never forgotten it.1 And then I became such good friends with Jan up in Bountiful, and so I’ve admired you and your family for many years. I’m so happy that I can do this interview. JP: Okay. I need to ask you to speak louder. DA: Okay, I will do my best. JP: Thank you. JH: She has hearing aids. DA: But I’m not a very loud person, but I will do my best. Okay. Can I call you Sister Payne, or who would you—what would you like me to call you? JP: Call me Jaynann. DA: Jaynann, okay. We’ll start with just some background information. Could you tell us where you were born and where you attended school and anything of that sort that you’d like to tell us about? JP: I was born in Salt Lake City, October 16, 1928, and I lived there for the first year of my life while my father was finishing his J.D. degree at the University of Utah [law school]. My mother graduated from the University of Utah also, with a B.A. [degree] in English. 1. Education Week refers to a program where for one week each August, more than one thousand classes on education, religion, marriage, family relations, health, history, genealogy, science, youth interests, and many other areas are presented on the campus of Brigham Young University Provo. The program is designed primarily for adults. Utah Women’s Walk: Jaynann 2 Payne [A year after] I was born, we moved to Spanish Fork. So I spent my first six or seven years in Spanish Fork going to the Thurber Elementary School. [When I was five, my brother Alan was born—my only sibling.] I was my parents’ oldest or only daughter, and he’s their only son, and so we were a small family, but we had a wonderful childhood. We moved to Provo [when I was eight years old], and I went to the Brigham Young Elementary just right through the block from where we lived [at 531 North 200 East]. My education at that time was wonderful. I had three marvelous teachers that introduced me to science and astronomy and politics, and that was exciting for me. DA: Would you like to name their names? JP: Beg pardon? DA: Would you like to name their names? [08:42] JP: Yes, I would. [Miss Gladys Kotter] was my fourth grade teacher [and taught me to love and appreciate science]. We did science experiments. [Miss Georgia Maeser, granddaughter of Karl G. Maeser, was my fifth-grade teacher. One night she took our whole class to the BYU Planetarium to see the stars and the craters on the moon, Jupiter, Mars, Venus and the rings around Saturn.] Ellwood Sandberg was my sixth grade teacher, and [engaged our minds in history, political debates and events of the world]. It was neat. This was just before World War II began. Then I went to the Farrer Junior High School, and I had some marvelous teachers there. Deb Tregeagle was one of them [and he] later became principal of the Provo High School. And then I went to Provo High School [and skipped my senior year because I had enough credits to graduate after taking summer school classes]. So I started college when I was sixteen, and went to Brigham Young University, and I turned seventeen shortly after that. But I loved school, and I loved learning. I want to pay tribute to my mother because I love this little poem: “You may have wealth untold / caskets of jewels and silver and gold / but richer than I you can never be / I had a mother who read to me.”2 [My mother also had a beautiful singing voice and played the piano. My father was also very musical and played the trumpet. Together, they made beautiful music.] They played for [many] weddings and funerals and [other civic events.] They [bequeathed to] me [a great love for literature, music, and the arts.] These wonderful cultural things have been a highlight of my life actually. I think of “if there’s anything lovely or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.”3 That [has 2. Jaynann is quoting “The Reading Mother,” a poem by Strickland Gillilan. 3. Jaynann is quoting the 13th Article of Faith, a collection of Latter-day Saint doctrines. Utah Women’s Walk: Jaynann 3 Payne been a mantra] of my life. I’ve been privileged because they took me to concerts, [ballets, and] to wonderful plays and [gave me] a very rich cultural background. And anything else you want [me to talk] about my childhood? DA: Do you have any important memories besides what you’ve talked about from childhood? JH: Don’t you want to tell some of those cute stories that you’ve shared with your grandchildren? JP: Oh, well, [this is] a little bit embarrassing. I guess my temper tantrum. [This is a story about a little four-year-old girl who hadn’t learned how to be like Jesus yet. One day her mother was serving lunch to ladies at her home. Little Ellenor went into the kitchen and saw her favorite raisin-filled lemon cookies. She said, “I want a cookie.” Her mother said, “If you can ask politely, and wait until I finish serving the ladies, I’ll give you one.” Little Ellenor said, “NO, I want one right NOW!” When her mother told her no again, she ran into the front room where the ladies were eating and threw herself on the floor, kicking and screaming. The ladies began to laugh. Her mother didn’t say a word but went back into the kitchen, got a glass of cold water and came up to her naughty little girl and dumped the cold water in her face! Ellenor, sputtered, and crying, said, “Wha. .why. .why did you do that?” Her mother calmly said, “Because you deserved it! Now tell the ladies you are sorry. Go upstairs and calm down, and when you can be polite you may come down and have a cookie.” Well, do you think Ellenor threw many more temper tantrums? Absolutely not! She needed to be polite, be patient, and remember the good manners her mother was trying to teach her. Who was the little girl? Did you guess it was your grandmother Jaynann? You are right! I was named Ellenor Jaynann Morgan. I learned the hard way that magic words like: please and thank you or I’m sorry win more friends and lemon cookies. Mothers and grandmas will tolerate most of their children’s mistakes, but they turn a very nasty shade of purple when it comes to bad manners.]4 Anyway, that was just one funny experience. And several others—I don’t know how interesting and how long—you know, you could go on for five or six hours with this because I’m eighty-four years old. Well, I tell my children—I ask them, “How old do you think I am?” And they try to guess, and I say, “I’m thirty-nine with forty-five years experience.” Now if they can’t pass that math test, they’ve just flunked math. But, anyway, I did have a delightful childhood, and we—it’s a very innocent childhood.
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