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year. That shows that we are committed to that research. House of Lords In the next years, we are attempting to use the model of the way that cancer research was built so successfully Tuesday, 22 July 2008. in the UK. That means investing in relevant research networks and centres but, as the noble Baroness will The House met at eleven o’clock: the LORD be only too well aware, it is extremely important that SPEAKER on the Woolsack. only science that achieves the highest quality assessment should receive funding. Prayers—Read by the Lord Bishop of Ripon and Leeds. Lord Walton of Detchant: My Lords, does the noble Baroness accept that research into Alzheimer’s disease and other forms of dementia has made remarkable Leave of Absence: The Lord Speaker progress in the past two years? A number of drugs have been introduced that are simply symptomatic The Lord Speaker (Baroness Hayman): My Lords, treatments, such as Donepezil, but work that is now this year, YomKippur, the Day of Atonement, falls on being done in many centres, not least on the superb a sitting day, Thursday 9 October. Accordingly, I seek new campus for ageing and health on the Newcastle leave of absence from your Lordships’ House on that day. General Hospital site where major research is being undertaken, shows great promise of developing drugs that strike at the cause of the disease. Does not this Health: Dementia development justify significantly greater investment in this important field? 11.07 am Baroness Thornton: My Lords, the noble Lord is Baroness Perry of Southwark: My Lords, I beg leave absolutely correct. Part of the Government’s drive to to ask the Question standing in my name on the Order ensure that NICE processes the findings and implications Paper. In so doing, I must declare an interest as a of new treatments as rapidly as possible includes patron of the Alzheimer’s Research Trust and as the NICE issuing guidance on drugs to treat Alzheimer’s wife of an Alzheimer’s sufferer. and other dementia diseases as quickly as it can. The Question was as follows: Lord Ashley of Stoke: My Lords, I am astounded To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether they that my noble friend should say that the amount of plan to increase government spending on research funds devoted to research into this terrible disease is into dementia. significant. It is insignificant by any standards, and I am astonished that she should make that claim in this Baroness Thornton: My Lords, in recent years, the House. No Government have a good record on dementia. Government have invested significant sums in dementia I welcome their recent announcement that they are research and will continue to do so. We believe that developing a national dementia strategy. Nevertheless, more could and should be done. That is why consultation the real requirement now is for a massive injection of on a national dementia strategy that we published last funds, because with them, anything is possible. Without month includes a recommendation and plans for building them, dementia will remain for ever the pathetic orphan on the existing UK research base. of medicine. That simply will not do in this House. Baroness Thornton: My Lords, the point that I was Baroness Perry of Southwark: My Lords, I thank making to my noble friend was that the increase from the Minister for that positive reply, but is there not a £5.9 million to £29 million in 10 years is significant. serious mismatch between the size of the problem and There is absolutely no doubt that more funding needs the Government’s response? Do not 700,000 people to be found and will be found. The other point that I already suffer from this terrible disease? That number was making is that there is no point putting in extra is forecast to double in the next 20 years, at a cost to money if the research base does not provide the highest the Exchequer of about £34 billion. Many leading quality science that we need to deal with this dreadful scientists have warned that that could destroy the condition. National Health Service. Does not that make the Government’s investment of a mere £25 million, only Baroness Gardner of Parkes: My Lords, is that not 3 per cent of the Department of Health’s research the problem? Although the money that we are putting budget, look totally inadequate? in seems a lot, the Americans are putting in £64 million for the equivalent of our population. We are putting in £29 million. Is it not essential to see that young scientists Baroness Thornton: My Lords, we face a very serious are encouraged to enter this field? Unless we can get problem; the Government are well aware of that. We young scientists interested in this, we will not have a are committed to supporting and enabling more research succession of people who can do the necessary research. on dementia. A significant amount of money, £29 million, is being invested today. In addition, the Department is Baroness Thornton: My Lords, the noble Baroness investing £20 million over five years for the national is absolutely right, as she often is. That is part of why research network on dementia and neurodegenerative the national strategy is so important. One of its key diseases, DeNDRoN, plus several new initiatives involving aims is to raise awareness in the medical professions of amounts of £6 million to £8 million. Since 1997, the the importance of this disease and the importance of increase is from £5.9 million to £29 million in the past combating it. 1645 Health: Dementia[LORDS] Russia: Human Rights 1646

Baroness Jay of Paddington: My Lords, I declare an The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth interest similar to that of the noble Baroness, Lady Office (Lord Malloch-Brown): My Lords, human rights Perry, in that I am also a patron of the national are a central part of the EU’s relations with Russia. advisory group on Alzheimer’s—the Alzheimer’s Research Consultations take place between the EU and Russia Trust. Is my noble friend aware that that trust, which on human rights every six months. This April, the EU does not receive public money, is forced to turn away raised a number of concerns related to human rights about two out of three of the research applications and fundamental freedoms in Russia. The EU-Russia that are put to it because of lack of resources? Drawing human rights dialogue should form an important part on her point about making the case for doing something of the successor to the EU-Russia Partnership and on the basis of cancer research, is it not unfortunate Co-operation Agreement, negotiations on which began that an organisation of that kind is so economically earlier this month. disadvantaged? Lord Judd: My Lords, while I am sure that I share Baroness Thornton: My Lords, that is very unfortunate. with others a sense of encouragement from what my As part of the strategy that was announced by my noble friend has said, does he not agree that, faced honourable friend the Minister last month, a dementia with the grave threats that confront us all, human research summit will be held in the autumn to bring rights and justice are not optional extras but fundamental together the key stakeholders, particularly the relevant to holding secure our own societies? In this context, charities and voluntary organisations, so that they can are the Government able to concentrate with the Russians take an active part in developing the future research on the dumbing down of the media, the harassment agenda. I am absolutely certain that they will make and, indeed, murder of journalists, the curbing of that point very clearly indeed. NGO activity, manipulation of the law and, whatever the propaganda by the Russians in this respect, the Baroness Barker: My Lords, what resources do the continued sinister oppression in Chechnya? Do these Government give to research into early onset dementia? not play into the hands of extremism and militancy? Baroness Thornton: My Lords, I do not have a Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, I certainly concur detailed figure for that. I will find out and write to the with my noble friend’s concern about the direction of noble Baroness. human rights in Russia and his observation that human rights are central to stability between nations and to Baroness Greengross: My Lords, roughly what is our global society as a whole. I should like to assure spent on research per patient in this country compared, him that the Government last year spent some £700,000 for example, with the United States or Australia? on human rights projects in Russia. This year we will Baroness Thornton: Again, my Lords, I do not have support projects such as human rights training for that detail. The London School of Economics and the prison officers in southern Russia and give support to National Audit Office recently produced a report on state and civil society to tackle xenophobia and extremism international comparisons in dementia, but I received and to combat religious and ethnic discrimination, it only this morning. The amount of money that is while at the same time maintaining our dialogue with being put into the care of people with long-term the Government. illnesses such as dementia means that we are about average. I will find out how our research base fares, let Lord Howell of Guildford: My Lords, does the the noble Baroness have that and put it in the Library. Minister agree that, while the EU is striving for and issues papers about the need for strategic partnership Earl Ferrers: My Lords, does the noble Baroness and dialogue on human rights, as he mentioned, the concur with the statistic that the number of people Question asked by the noble Lord, Lord Judd, reminds over the age of 65 is likely to increase by 60 per cent us that things are not going very well between the EU before 2025, in which I suppose I declare a rather and Russia? In fact, between this country and Russia, miserable interest? they have been going very badly. Is he aware that we are getting reports now of bogus court procedures, Baroness Thornton: My Lords, all I can say is that false evidence being organised against innocent citizens the noble Earl becomes more distinguished the older and corruption in the police and tax authorities, quite he gets. He is right that, because of the increase in the aside from the matters that the noble Lord, Lord number of elderly people, the number of people with Judd, has mentioned? What steps are we taking to get dementia will double to 1.4 million in the next 30 years. a more successful message to the Russian people, with That is why this is an important issue and why we must whom, basically, we want good relations, that if they have a strategy for dealing with it. do not correct some of those things urgently they will not only cut themselves off from global development Russia: Human Rights but damage their own people and their own interests considerably in the future? 11.15 am Lord Judd asked Her Majesty’s Government: Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, the noble Lord is What initiatives they will take to encourage dialogue correct that things are not going well in Russia in between the European Union and the Government terms of human rights and that we, as the EU, have of Russia on the place of human rights, freedom of considerable leverage, which we must apply. On the the media and civil society in the context of stable one hand, we have an energy dependence; Russia is democracy and containing extremism. our biggest source of energy supply. On the other 1647 Russia: Human Rights[22 JULY 2008] Nuclear Weapons 1648 hand, we are Russia’s main trading partner as a region, Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, the great glory of so we share a neighbourhood and commercial links, the ICC is that it is an independent prosecutorial which we must use to ensure that respect for human system. It does not behove me as a politician standing rights is strengthened in Russia. I think that we all at the Dispatch Box to suggest whom the court should agree with the noble Lord that the trend at the moment or should not prosecute. is not a happy one.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire: My Lords, will the Minister Nuclear Weapons confirm that Britain is pushing hard for a common EU approach to Russia, which is clearly what we 11.23 am need? Will he also confirm that we are making strong representations to some other Governments, for example Lord Hylton asked Her Majesty’s Government: the current Government of Italy, that bilateral relations Whether they will propose a new treaty, under with Russia of the sort that Mr Berlusconi wants to which, pending full nuclear disarmament, states pursue are not helpful to an effective dialogue? Lastly, possessing nuclear weapons would undertake not can he confirm once again that, in the Partnership and to use them to attack states without nuclear weapons. Co-operation Agreement that we are negotiating, we must insist on the rule of law to underpin not only human rights but also economic relations and foreign The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth investment? This has to be something that the Russians Office (Lord Malloch-Brown): My Lords, the most can demonstrate runs properly inside their economy, appropriate way to provide treaty-based security society and courts. assurances is through the relevant protocols to nuclear weapons-free zones. These provide credible, regional, Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, the noble Lord is internationally-binding legal instruments. The UK remains correct. If the EU stands together in its relationship fully committed to the negative security assurance we with Russia, we are much more powerful than if we gave to the non-nuclear weapons states parties to the develop singular and different approaches to dealing Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in our 1995 letter to with these issues. On human rights inside Russia, there the UN Secretary-General, subsequently noted in Security is no doubt that the EU benefits not just at the human Council Resolution 984. level but at the commercial level from the maintenance of the rule of law and an end to its erosion in both Lord Hylton: My Lords, I thank the Minister for commercial and human rights areas. We will press that reply. Can I persuade him and your Lordships, strongly on this agenda, as the noble Lord suggests. first, that a treaty of the kind suggested would draw attention to the need to eliminate completely all nuclear Lord Anderson of Swansea: My Lords, have not the weapons? Secondly, would it not dissuade those powers Russians made it clear that their restrictions on the which do not have such weapons from acquiring them? British Council, which has made a signal contribution Finally, would it not make it easier for the smaller in the fields mentioned by my noble friend, have been states that possess nuclear weapons to destroy them? entirely for political reasons? Is it not therefore all the Would that not improve the situation quite a lot? more important that the European Union should continue to show solidarity with us in this respect? Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, I agree with the Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, that is certainly noble Lord’s sentiment, and we want to do everything the case. Russia, if I may say, is the great loser from the that we can to push forward the case that nuclear non-presence of the British Council and the extraordinary weapons are not a safe and sensible form of armament programmes that it runs, including English language in today’s world. But we believe that through both the training. However, we must make sure that this is a assurances given to NPT signatory states that they dispute not just with Britain but with the EU. would not face nuclear attack unless they attacked in alliance with other nuclear weapon states, and through Lord Renton of Mount Harry: My Lords, might it the regional agreements which have allowed us to give not be simpler and more productive if we started a 100 countries further such assurances, we will achieve discussion with Russia to see whether it has a long-term the purpose he wants. The actions of others, such as a wish to join the European Union? number of noble Lords and Baronesses in this House who have signed up to different initiatives leading Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, Russia has joined towards a nuclear-free zone like their counterparts in the G8 and other international groupings with somewhat the US, provide the goal that the noble Lord wants to mixed results. I think that I will leave it to others to see of attention being given to the objective of a comment on what would happen to the EU if we were nuclear-free world. to welcome Russia into its midst. Some might welcome it strongly, if not for the best of motives. Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: My Lords, has any progress been made on the idea of the International Lord Ahmed: My Lords, while I welcome the arrest Atomic Energy Agency being a resource for enriched last night of the former Bosnian Serb leader, does my uranium on which countries can draw for the civil noble friend agree that there might be a case for the aspects of nuclear development while, at the same ICC to indict some Russian generals for crimes committed time, guarding against diversification into nuclear against humanity in Chechnya? weapons? 1649 Nuclear Weapons[LORDS] Iran: People’s Mujaheddin Organisation 1650

Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, my noble friend Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, proposals have will be aware that there are a number of initiatives in been made in recent months by the United States, the this area, including the one to which she refers at the United States presidential candidates and President IAEA. The UK Government have been supporting Sarkozy of France, all of which are driving towards the development of these options because we believe the prospect of major reductions in existing nuclear that both within the forthcoming review of the NPT arsenals. We are supporting that process having ourselves and more generally in our disposition of arrangements already taken significant steps in that regard. We will for a nuclear-free world it is vital to provide safe certainly continue to reduce wherever possible. sources of nuclear power to those who wish to pursue that option. Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer: My Lords, the Minister spoke of the benefit of nuclear-free zones, Lord Wallace of Saltaire: MyLords,asweare and he will know that there are proposals for a nuclear-free about to break for 10 weeks and as there are disturbing Arctic. What is the UK Government’s attitude to reports about those within the Government of Israel those proposals? who are considering at some stage in the next three months a conventional attack on Iranian nuclear facilities Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, at the moment as a means of delaying—although not entirely there are three existing treaties that create these nuclear-free abolishing—the Iranian nuclear programme, can the zones, covering Latin America, the south Pacific and Government assure the House that they have made it Africa. There are two more treaties, covering south-east quite clear to the Government of Israel and to their Asia and central Asia, that need further work for us to supporters in Washington that we would not under be able to support them fully. The same principles any circumstances support or condone that kind of apply to the Arctic. We are in favour of as many of unilateral attack? these regional agreements as possible, so long as they are sensibly drafted to ensure that all countries are Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, I certainly want to bound by them and that they apply in an equal way ensure that the noble Lord enjoys his summer holiday the principle of non-nuclear use. in peace. The Government have repeatedly made it clear that they view the negotiations of the E3+3 as the vehicle at this time for achieving a solution to the Iran: People’s Mujaheddin Organisation Iranian nuclear programme. We do not believe that a military option is appropriate. 11.30 am Lord Archer of Sandwell asked Her Majesty’s Lord Howell of Guildford: My Lords, on the immediate Government: dangers ahead, to which the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, has referred, does the Minister accept that while the How they voted on the proposal to keep the idea of the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, has good sentiments People’s Mujaheddin Organisation of Iran on the behind it, it would be quite tricky when it came to European Union’s list of banned terrorist organisations implementation? Does he further accept that we on at the Council of Ministers meeting on 16 July. this side support the long-term vision of a world free of nuclear weapons if that can be achieved? We realise The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth that there are considerable difficulties—it would take Office (Lord Malloch-Brown): My Lords, the continued time and would require the fully verifiable destruction listing of PMOI on the new EU list of persons and of every nuclear weapon—but we believe that this is entities subject to the EUCT assets freeze was supported the right guiding light for policy makers in the years in the Council of Ministers by the overwhelming ahead and will support all endeavours in that direction. majority of member states. The renewed listing was based on new information brought to the Council’s Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, I take the noble attention by another EU member state. However, Lord’s assurances and I congratulate him on them. I respecting the UK court judgment, we abstained in refer again to the article by that extraordinary group the vote. of American leaders, including Secretary Shultz and Secretary Kissinger, and more recently the article in Lord Archer of Sandwell: My Lords, I thank my the Times by Sir Malcolm Rifkind and the noble noble friend for that dismal story. Will he first confirm Lords, Lord Hurd, Lord Robertson and Lord Owen, that until a few weeks ago the listing of the PMOI in which laid out a similar vision of the objective of a Europe rested entirely on its listing domestically in the nuclear-free world while recognising the complex, extended United Kingdom? Secondly, will he confirm that two negotiations that it will take to get us there. That superior courts in the United Kingdom, including the objective should drive all of us in our nuclear policy Court of Appeal, after scrutinising all the evidence, even though it must be larded with a high degree of declared that its listing here was unjustified and perverse, caution that we do not at any point leave ourselves and that Parliament has endorsed an order to remove unprotected. it from the list? Thirdly, will he confirm that the European Court of First Instance has declared that its The Lord Bishop of Ripon and Leeds: My Lords, as initial listing was unlawful? Given all that, would my nuclear weapons are no longer an adequate deterrent noble friend agree that the continued listing of the PMOI against others acquiring them, what ways do the demonstrates a shameful indifference to human rights Government have in mind to reduce the worldwide or an abject capitulation to the Iranian Government—and, stock of nuclear weapons? in either case, a repudiation of the rule of law? 1651 Iran: People’s Mujaheddin Organisation[22 JULY 2008] Pensions Bill 1652

Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, I felt it enormously basis of the French Government’s reasons for doing important that the UK Government respected the so; and if, as also appears to be the case, the Council undertakings we had given your Lordships in this contends that by abstaining, the British Government House, and that we ourselves were therefore not party and others have prevented the decision being unanimous, to a vote at the European level on continuing this how can the Government possibly say that they upheld listing. I urge the supporters of the PMOI, who were the rule of law as declared by the Court of Appeal successful here in overturning the view of the Government when, by their very abstention, they were implicitly through court action, to similarly take advantage of giving support to this proposal by the French Government the Court of First Instance action in Europe to which and the Council? my noble friend referred to pursue a similar legal strategy there to secure redress. Lord Malloch-Brown: Again, my Lords, it will be a matter for the PMOI and the Council; the PMOI can Lord Waddington: My Lords, how could it have institute proceedings in the Court of First Instance been proper for the British Government to accept and challenging the Council’s decision. The Council is not oppose a new listing when the Court of Appeal, required to defend its decision and make clear its having examined the evidence, had concluded that actions. It may be of some small comfort to noble there was no evidence to justify any listing? How could Lords to know that although the Council decision has any evidence presented by France to justify a new led to an asset freeze, because of the situation we faced listing have escaped the notice of those who represented before the court decision, it is no longer illegal in this Her Majesty’s Government before the Court of Appeal, country to be a member of the PMOI; it is only an and not therefore have been known to that court when issue of the assets of the PMOI, which are under it gave its judgment? It follows, therefore, that by not threat from the European ruling. opposing this matter the British Government were spitting in the face of a court in this country, the Court of Appeal. Business Lord Malloch-Brown: My Lords, the noble Lord 11.38 am will have to allow that that is not the case. We were Baroness Royall of Blaisdon: My Lords, with the determined to respect that court decision, which is leave of the House, my noble friend the Lord President why we were not able to support the Government who will repeat the Statement on Iraq after the debate in brought to the table new information that had not the name of my noble friend Lord Dubs. After the been available earlier, on the basis of which they were Statement, the House will adjourn during pleasure able to persuade many Governments of Europe to while the Commons complete their consideration of support them. As to why we abstained rather than the Crossrail Bill. The House will resume for notification opposing the listing, the difficulty is that it is a total of Royal Assent, which we expect at around 7 pm. The list with all terrorist organisations on it, and you have precise time will be advertised via the annunciator as to vote up or down on that list. We were therefore soon as we have the relevant information. faced with the unpalatable situation that either the old list would be retained, which would have done no good because the PMOI would have remained on it, or Pensions Bill we would have been left with no listed terrorist organisations in Europe. We felt that was an unacceptable Lord Tunnicliffe: My Lords, I beg to move the threat to the people of Britain as well as the rest of the Motion standing in the name of my noble friend Lord Continent. McKenzie of Luton on the Order Paper. Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: My Lords, can Moved, That the amendments for the Report stage my noble friend tell the House what was the evidence be marshalled and considered in the following order: that was so persuasive? Clauses 1 to 73 Schedule 1 Lord Malloch-Brown: I cannot, my Lords, for reasons Clauses 74 to 98 of confidentiality. However, the PMOI has been written Schedule 2 to and the case against it, on which the decision was Clause 99 made, has been shared with it. It now has the option of Schedule 3 pursuing this in a European appeal court action. Clauses 100 and 101 Schedule 4 Lord Slynn of Hadley: My Lords— Clauses 102 to 113 Lord Avebury: My Lords— Schedule 5 Clauses 114 to 117 Noble Lords: Cross Bench. Schedules 6 and 7 Clauses 118 and 119 The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton Schedule 8 of Upholland): My Lords, I think the House wishes to Clauses 120 to 125 hear from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Slynn. Schedule 9 Lord Slynn of Hadley: My Lords, if, as the Minister’s Clauses 126 to 142 letter of July states, the Council has given no reasons Schedule 10 for putting the PMOI back on the list; if, as appears to Clauses 143 to 145.—(Lord Tunnicliffe.) be the case, the Council did not identify in detail the On Question, Motion agreed to. 1653 Crossrail Bill[LORDS] Crossrail Bill 1654

Crossrail Bill Outside the House, I thank my colleagues at the Department for Transport, the CLRL team led by Baroness Royall of Blaisdon: My Lords, I have it in Keith Berryman, our parliamentary agent Winckworth command from Her Majesty the Queen to acquaint Sherwood and our counsel team, led by David Elvin the House that Her Majesty, having been informed of QC. I thank the House greatly for its interest and the purport of the Crossrail Bill, has consented to support in this project. place her Prerogative and Interest, so far as they are Moved, That the Bill do now pass.—(Lord Bassam affected by the Bill, at the disposal of Parliament for of Brighton.) the purposes of the Bill. Bill read a third time. Earl Attlee: My Lords, in the absence of my noble friend Lord Hanningfield, it falls to me to complete Lord Bassam of Brighton: My Lords, I beg to move the last stage of this important Bill on behalf of Her that this Bill do now pass. Majesty’s Opposition. I begin by thanking the Minister Perhaps before we move to approve the Crossrail for the manner in which he accepted our scrutiny and Bill, it would be worth me saying a few words about it listened to our concerns and amendments. He has and offering some very well deserved words of thanks. covered the points about the hybrid Bill very well Hybrid Bills are rarely used procedures; indeed, the already. Although he rarely agreed with our position, last one considered by Parliament was the Channel the debate has provided your Lordships and the public Tunnel Rail Link Act 1996, 12 years ago. Following with valuable information about some of the finer the introduction of the Crossrail Bill in the other place details of this complex piece of legislation. in February 2005, some three and a half years ago, the A legal framework to facilitate the funding and Bill received a Second Reading by a majority of 370. construction of Crossrail has been long in coming. I After a period of gentle persuasion, the Select Committee remember when this project was first conceived, nearly in the other place was appointed in December 2005 20 years ago; since then, its progress has been stalled and first met in January 2006. There were four batches by a plethora of reviews and seen many false dawns. I of additional provisions to improve the project, which think that a dairy farmer would be impressed by the is one reason why the committee took nearly two years number of times that this Government have announced to conclude its hearings. It heard in excess of 200 of that Crossrail was to go ahead. Since finally obtaining the 400 or so petitions lodged; its special report was a finance package last year, there has been a high level published on 23 October 2007. of scrutiny which benefits this Bill, but that has not The Public Bill Committee, Report and Third Reading been too protracted in this House. in the other place followed expeditiously and the Bill I pay my own tribute to the work of the noble was introduced into this House on 14 December 2007. Viscount, Lord Colville of Culross, and his committee, The Second Reading was secured without a Division the noble Lords, Lord Snape, Lord James of Blackheath, and, by the time the petitioning period for this House’s Lord Young of Norwood Green and Lord Brooke of Select Committee had closed, 113 petitions had been Alverthorpe. deposited. The Select Committee of this House did a It has been clear from the start that we on these sterling job; it sat for 29 days and listened to many of Benches have always supported the Crossrail project the same petitioners. I am sure that the House will join in principle, but throughout the progress of the Bill in me in paying tribute to the skill and rigour with which this House and in another place we have raised concerns the committee was chaired by the noble Viscount, relating to transparency and disruption. We would Lord Colville of Culross. The Select Committee published have liked to have seen the Government go further on its excellent special report in May, so we could consider some issues such as ensuring that disruption is kept to it alongside the Committee proceedings. a minimum through earlier notification and being This is the last time that the House debates the Bill, more open in taking a transparent and consistent so I take the opportunity of once again paying tribute approach to reporting. to the work of both the Select Committees and all As expected, funding has always been a major noble Lords who have played an important part in worry. We are concerned about the cost of the shaping the future of what is probably one of the most Government’s delay in getting Crossrail to this stage, exciting engineering and rail projects that this country which has been estimated at £1.5 billion per annum. has on the stocks and in the immediate and near We are also concerned about whether the current future—a project that will very much influence how £16 billion funding package is sufficient and that London continues to generate and regenerate itself in taxpayers have already spent £400 million without a the next two decades. single track being laid. The main reason for that There are one or two noble Lords who deserve apprehension is that mega-projects such as this often special mention: the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, span the life of more than one Government. Who who sadly is not with us today, and the noble Lord, knows; by the time of completion we may have a Lord Bradshaw, for his sterling work and constructive Liberal Democrat Government. Therefore, it is imperative views and comments, as well as my noble friend Lord that we get the legislation right now in order to avoid Berkeley for the role that he has played, not only in problems in the future. your Lordships’ House but also for his appearances In closing, the benefits that Crossrail will bring are representing the Rail Freight Group during the Select undoubted; it could add £20 billion to the UK economy Committee proceedings. Finally, I mention the noble and support an expected 30,000 new high-value jobs. Baroness, Lady Valentine, for her unwavering support Crossrail will also provide greater capacity and speed for the project. to the city’s transport network, enabling a further 1655 Crossrail Bill[22 JULY 2008] Freedom of Information Order 2008 1656

1.5 million people to be within 60 minutes of our the light of developing circumstances such as these. capital and key business areas. I look forward to The section permits the Secretary of State to make an visiting the construction sites of this great project and order limiting the scope of the Act’s application to I am glad we have been able to progress this Bill so specific information held by a particular body. The quickly through this House on its way to Royal Assent. order amends Schedule 1, which covers which bodies are subject to the Act. The order will exclude four 11.45 am categories of information, if held by either House or the National Assembly for Wales, from the scope of Lord Bradshaw: My Lords, I thank the Minister for the Act. This will mean that the response to any his gracious words of thanks to people in this House, request for information falling into these categories the department and elsewhere. I assure him of our will be that the House does not hold such information continued support. Although it may sometimes sound for the purposes of the Act. like criticism, we support the Bill and I wish it well. The four categories of information are, first, residential addresses of any Member. This means that information Viscount Colville of Culross: My Lords, I just wanted relating to any residential address held by either House, to say one word to the noble Earl, Lord Attlee. One of regardless of whether a claim has been made in respect the objectives of the Select Committee in producing of it or not, will no longer be covered by the Act. what appears to be rather a fat report was to include in “Residential address” includes a Member’s main or the appendices a lot of information that ought to alternative place of residence, including any temporary make things a great deal more transparent for those accommodation such as a hotel, a holiday home or who might be affected by the Bill. Therefore, I hope any grace-and-favour residences—that is, those that that we have added to the general knowledge about come from a job. Members will know that, unlike what will happen, the remedies that people have and another place, the House of Lords authorities do not the sort of conditions that they might expect. I hope hold addresses in relation to claims for expenses except that that will be of help and assistance to everyone in relation to travel. However, any information the who lives along the route of the track. House holds on addresses will now be outside the scope of the Act. The Earl of Mar and Kellie: My Lords, I believe The second category is information as to regular or that Crossrail will be successful—it would be operating forthcoming travel arrangements for any Member. successfully today if we had legislated for it earlier. “Forthcoming travel arrangements” means any travel One of the lessons of the success of the Alloa railway, that, at the date of a relevant freedom of information where the loadings proved to be three times greater request, has not yet taken place. Disclosure of this than forecast, was that we should have got on with it information might endanger the Member or Members earlier. I would like to carry that forward and say, undertaking that journey. “Regular travel” covers any please introduce a high-speed line railway Bill, because journey between two points using any mode of transport we are about to need it now, not after we have legislated that happens at broadly the same time—for example, for it, which will probably be in about 20 years’ time. I each day, week or month—knowledge of which could wish the Crossrail Bill well. put a Member’s personal safety at risk. Information On Question, Bill passed and returned to the Commons on the amount spent by Members on regular travel with amendments. during any calendar month will remain subject to the Act. However, any further breakdown of expenditure—for example by week or day—will not be, as it could Freedom of Information (Parliament and enable the identification of a regular travel pattern. National Assembly for Wales) Order 2008 The third category is information that would enable the identification of any person who has delivered 11.48 am goods or provided services to a Member at any residence The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton of the Member. This provision is of more relevance to of Upholland) rose to move, That the draft order laid Members of another place, who are entitled to make before the House on 15 July be approved. claims for goods and services received in relation to homes they maintain in order to fulfil their parliamentary The noble Baroness said: My Lords, I have worked or constituency responsibility. This House’s Members’ closely with my right honourable friend the Leader of reimbursement allowance scheme contains no analogous another place to ensure that proposals for another provision. place also cover your Lordships’ House. I have consulted with usual channels colleagues and with the House The fourth category is that of information relating Committee about the introduction of this order and I to expenditure by a Member on security arrangements. am grateful for their support. Again, this issue is relevant to Members of another It is my strong contention that to carry out our place, who are entitled to make claims for expenditure duties in your Lordships’ House properly, we have to in relation to security arrangements at their addresses. be able to speak freely without fear or favour. We must All the provisions I have outlined also apply to the be able to say what we believe to be true about difficult National Assembly for Wales. I beg to move. or controversial issues and we must be able to do so Moved, That the draft order laid before the House without feeling that we could be putting ourselves or on 15 July be approved. 26th report from the Joint our families at risk. Section 7 of the Freedom of Committee on Statutory Instruments.—(Baroness Ashton Information Act allows for the Act to be amended in of Upholland.) 1657 Freedom of Information Order 2008[LORDS] Freedom of Information Order 2008 1658

Lord Strathclyde: My Lords, I thank the noble probably encrypted form, to ensure that there is no Baroness for bringing this matter to the attention of inadvertent access to them and they do not accidentally the House and proposing that the order be agreed. It end up on a stick or a laptop somewhere. brings to an end, I hope, the most unsatisfactory and unedifying spectacle of a deep disagreement between Lord Clark of Windermere: My Lords, I do not the authorities of another place and the Information wish to detain the House for more than a few minutes. Commissioner on the publication of private addresses It will not surprise noble Lords to hear me say that I of Members of another place and, I suppose by extension, keep a paternal eye on orders that affect the Freedom those of your Lordships. From that point of view, the of Information Act, and that I try to assess the effect order is very much to be welcomed for the reasons that of any orders on the original Act. I remind the House the noble Baroness has outlined, particularly in view that the whole purpose of the Act is to empower the of many of the security aspects affecting Members of citizen to challenge the apparatus of the state, particularly both Houses. that of the Executive, and to extend their own freedom. Will the noble Baroness confirm that the order As regards an observation made by the noble Lord, extends equally to all Members of this House as well Lord Strathclyde, I should point out that when we as to those of another place? The noble Baroness has drew up the first semblances of the Act in the original said that it extends to Parliament and the National Bill, we excluded Parliament. We felt that if Parliament Assembly for Wales. For information, will the noble were included it would be so easy for the press to have Baroness tell us the position for the Northern Ireland a go at MPs and Members of this House and neglect Assembly and the Scottish Parliament? They are clearly where the real power lies in Great Britain; namely, in excluded from these provisions. Do they have their the Executive. That is exactly what has happened. I am own arrangements or are they planning on doing not saying that it was wrong to include it, but that was something else? There is no need for the noble Baroness the judgment that we made at the time. to give me an answer today, but perhaps she could The security of Members of this House and the write to me and let me know. other place is paramount. We should not forget that Finally, this order has raised the fact that issues in only 25 years ago, or even less, we all went through a the Freedom of Information Act need clarifying. It is heavy security curtain. I clearly remember the days not that anybody is trying to hide information from when the police gave briefings on security for our greater public scrutiny, but this has raised all sorts of constituency homes. We also had to search underneath questions about the nature of the information requested, our cars every time we went out in them. We forget by whom it is requested and the use to which it is put. those things now but they were very real at the time. Have the Government plans to review the working of We all hope that those days never come again, but it the Freedom of Information Act to see whether any would be foolish to forget them. changes should be made in the foreseeable future? My last point is very important. The families of Members in both Houses of Parliament usually make Lord Addington: My Lords, we on these Benches a great sacrifice so that we can be here to try to serve have absolutely no objection to making these changes the nation. Particularly in the other House, where to the Freedom of Information Act. I am not sure that Members may traditionally have had younger families, I can entirely agree with the remarks of the noble there is real pressure, real fear and real tension. Members Lord, Lord Strathclyde, but certainly there should be from provincial seats come down to London on a reasonable limits on the information that can safely be Sunday night or Monday morning and return on a given out so that it does not endanger those engaged Thursday or Friday, but their families are left up there, in certain activities. This measure is a bold first step in often on their own. I can well recall my wife being attempting to set those reasonable limits. One could frightened—I would almost say to death—during a argue about what are appropriate requests for information period in the 1980s when, literally at 4 am, there was a and what are vexatious, and whether the Act gives braying at the door. She went to the upstairs window, some journalists a licence to become voyeuristic and a policeman was outside saying, “Under no account about other people’s lives, but I shall not go too far must you open any parcel that might be delivered to down that route today.The order constitutes a reasonable your house”. Of course that was a helpful intervention— compromise that safeguards national and personal the police were delivering a warning—but you can security. As I say, we have no objection to it. imagine the fear of a woman living on her own with a young family in that situation. Earl Attlee: My Lords, I thank the Leader of the It is therefore right and proper to insist that a House for introducing the order. I would have difficulty certain amount of privacy should be given to Members continuing to cover defence and security issues without it. of Parliament of both Houses. This order is a correct procedure and I welcome it as a step in the right The Earl of Erroll: My Lords, from the security direction. point of view this is an extremely sensible measure. Therefore, I hope that the Government will provide Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, I am the Information Commissioner with sufficient powers grateful for the welcome that has been given to the to ensure that these data are protected, wherever they order. I say to the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, that are located. As we well know from past reports of the we have not had discussions with Northern Ireland, Information Commissioner, there is, unfortunately, a but we are very happy to do so. Such discussions may propensity to try to purchase this information. Therefore, well take place. As Scotland has a separate Act, it is I hope that these data are held in a suitably secure, for them to deal with these issues themselves. 1659 Freedom of Information Order 2008[22 JULY 2008] Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint 1660

My noble friend Lord Clark eloquently reminded reduce the need for restraint. By any standards, these us of the history, and noble Lords who were in another are the very people most in need of human rights place will remember only too well the difficulties and protection. The Ministry of Justice is responsible for the dangers. However, we have also had recent examples: legislation and for the Youth Justice Board, which noble Lords will recall that my right honourable friend oversees contracts for STCs and places children and has twice had visitors on her roof from the organisation young people into institutions. that calls itself Fathers for Justice. So there are real In July 2007, the new Secure Training Centre issues of concern in any event. We are confident that (Amendment) Rules came into force. They were not we have protected every Member of your Lordships’ subject to parliamentary debate at the time. The rules House through this move. I am informed by the Clerk allow staff in STCs to use force to, who looks after this information that it is kept secure, so the noble Earl, Lord Errol, need not worry about “ensure good order and discipline”. that. We will ensure that any requests are dealt with Legitimate techniques, called “physical control in care”, appropriately. include restraint holds and something called distraction We do not have plans to review the Act more techniques; that is, formally. As noble Lords may recall, I was the Minister “inflicting pain to thumb, ribs or nose”. responsible for freedom of information. The Act was In fairness, I should point out that the nose distraction brought in not to support journalistic enquiries into technique has since been suspended. issues about your Lordships’ House or another place, important though those are, but to enable ordinary I understand that, about two years ago, the noble citizens to find out information from public bodies in Lord, Lord Carlile, on behalf of the Howard League their locality, whether that is their health service, their for Penal Reform, investigated the use of restraints. As local schools or another body. I think that we all a result, the Government decided to hold their own recognise the importance and value of that. However, inquiry but, so far, that has not been published. Could as with any piece of information, context is everything. the Minister enlighten the House about when the We must continually strive to ensure that when information report and the Government’s comments on it might be is released, people understand the context of what that available? information actually explains to the person who requested The key conclusion of the JCHR report is that the it, rather than, as we have occasionally seen, simply effect of current UK law is that the Government have seeing the stark fact without realising its relevance. sanctioned violence against children and young people. There are continuous discussions to ensure that the We say that force used against young people and Information Commissioner has the necessary relevant children in detention is “rarely acceptable” and requires powers. For now, however, we are confident that this is significant justification. The practice runs the risk of an important move. It has already passed through breaching international human rights standards under another place, and I hope it will pass through your the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. According Lordships’ House today. to that convention, the state needs to ensure that On Question, Motion agreed to. restraint does, “not involve deliberate infliction of pain as a form of control”. Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint In its report in 2002-03, the JCHR said that, “the level of physical assault and the degree of physical restraint (JCHR Report) experienced by children in detention … represent unacceptable contraventions of [the] UNCRC”. 12.03 pm Detention techniques, according to the Youth Justice Lord Dubs rose to move, That this House takes note Board, of the report of the Joint Committee on Human “rely on techniques which create pain”. Rights on The Use of Restraint in Secure Training We heard evidence in which a young person, who Centres (11th Report, HL Paper 65). subsequently died in a secure training centre, wrote a The noble Lord said: My Lords, I welcome this note saying that he had been punched in the nose and opportunity to initiate a debate on this subject. I am a was told that that was an example of restraint. member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, on which I am privileged to serve. In March this year the Even more sadly, two young people have died in committee produced its report The Use of Restraint in STCs following restraint. Their inquests took place in Secure Training Centres, and the Government published the past year. The Government claimed that their their response on 17 July, just in time for this debate. reason for introducing the new amendment rules was to respond to the coroner’s recommendation regarding The House will know that secure training centres the death of one of the young people. In their response, house young offenders aged between 12 and 17 who the Government seem to dismiss the committee’s concern are too vulnerable or young to be in young offender and the Government’s obligations under the UN institutes run by the Prison Service. These centres are convention by explaining that the UN committee’s privately run, and there are four in the UK, at Medway, comments are, Oakhill, Hassockfield and Rainsbrook. The young people held there often have a violent background, “not binding on signatory states”. and the use of violence against them needs to be The committee and I believe that the Government avoided. This is not just a matter of training staff, but should seek to meet their obligations under the UN of developing strategies in secure training centres to convention, as it seems clear that there is a lawful 1661 Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint[LORDS] Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint 1662

[LORD DUBS] I should like the Minister to ensure that officials sanction of the use of pain against young people in communicate with committee staff with the aim of STCs. I welcome the Government’s response that they providing more human rights information on at least are seeking to, some SIs. I repeat that I am talking about SIs which “reduce the use of physical restraint in STCs”. have significant human rights implications, not the We on the committee say that the amendment rules whole generality of subordinate legislation. Given that are ambiguous because “good order and discipline” is the Minister will himself or herself have to check that imprecise, broad and inherently subjective. Any confusion these things are human-rights compliant, it is not very caused by the rules and the use of force can have tragic much to ask that these matters should be reported consequences, as we have seen. publicly. I welcome the fact that the Government are meeting The Government insist that “ensuring good order our recommendation to place in the Libraries of and discipline” is not a catch-all phrase and that force both Houses every six months detailed statistics about must not be, the number of restraint incidents. It was difficult for “used as a punishment or merely to secure compliance with staff the committee to access this information during the instructions”. inquiry; this will enable it to continue scrutinising the However, the committee heard evidence about force issue. being used against boys who, for example, refused to Can the Minister suggest how Parliament can assess go to bed. They were not causing any harm; they whether force is always being used legitimately? Can simply said that they were not going to go to bed. To the detailed statistics promised to Parliament include use force against them seems to me and the committee a short commentary on the circumstances in which to be excessive in the circumstances. restraint was used, without going into too much detail The Government’s response was to argue that the about individual cases? committee or others could not judge whether force It is regrettable that the Government will not place was legitimate in such an example, in the public domain the manual of constraint techniques. “without an understanding of all the circumstances in which it They say that that could be dangerous, but I am not was made and of the establishment itself”, sure that I follow their reasons. Surely having this and that a continual refusal to go to bed might legitimise information in the public domain would allow proper the decision to use force. My Lords, I beg to differ. scrutiny and assessment of the physical controls to A judicial review case was brought that challenged help to ensure that force did not turn into illegitimate the new amendment rules. The Government will use violence. the result of that to say that they are right and that the I believe that the Joint Committee on Human Rights committee has gone too far in its criticisms; I am sure has done a public service in producing the report and that that will be in the Minister’s brief. The court held highlighting the needs of a small number of extremely that the rules are not legally uncertain, nor do they vulnerable people. We believe that using violence against legitimise treatment which is in breach of Articles 3 or people who were subjected to violence before being 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights. put into detention can only breed violence. It can However, it also stated: hardly lead to them coming out in a more peaceful “Whether conduct and/or treatment complained of in a future and less violent frame of mind. The evidence shows case is contrary to Articles 3 and/or 8 will depend on all the that when young people come out of these centres, the circumstances”. likelihood of their reoffending is very high. I look In other words, it may be legitimate to have these rules forward to the Minister’s response. I beg to move. but the way in which they are given effect to may Moved, That this House takes note of the report of breach human rights. I could, although I shall not, go the Joint Committee on Human Rights on The Use of into greater detail about the court decision and its Restraint in Secure Training Centres (11th Report, consequences. HL Paper 65).—(Lord Dubs.) It is a matter of concern that the Government seem to be suggesting that it can be appropriate to use force 12.14 pm in compliance with staff instructions. That goes against The Lord Bishop of Ripon and Leeds: My Lords, I the code of practice of the Youth Justice Board for am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, for England and Wales, and I think that the board is right. that powerful defence of human rights and for expressing The rules were brought forward without any human how we need to ensure that the regime in secure rights impact assessment, which I suppose is legitimate. training centres leads to people coming out of those The committee called in its report and other reports institutions better equipped to fulfil their life within for the Government to address human rights society. I am also grateful to him for giving this House considerations in Explanatory Notes and Memoranda. the opportunity to discuss in detail the Joint Committee’s The Government provide formal compatibility statements report and the Government’s response. with affirmatives and super affirmatives but they say I shall concentrate on two fine lines, which are that to provide analysis for every statutory instrument revealed in the debate between the Joint Committee would be onerous. I accept that analysing every SI might and the Government. The first fine line revealed is that be onerous, but the committee recommends: between restraint and violence. The semantic debate “Where secondary legislation raises significant human rights between the committee and the Government on the implications, we would expect to see sufficient analysis to facilitate distinction between force and violence demonstrates effective parliamentary scrutiny”. how difficult it is to make these distinctions. I hope 1663 Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint[22 JULY 2008] Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint 1664 that the Minister will confirm that any action that can The conference gives us the chance to reflect on the be construed as violence has no place in a secure violence of our world, as we pray alongside bishops training centre. from Zimbabwe and the Sudan, for example—as we speak with them, eat with them and share with them. One problem is that restraint can so easily slide into People at the conference speak time and again of how violence. I have considerable admiration for those who easily violence becomes part of a culture in our undertake the care of challenging children and young contemporary world, becomes endemic in a society. people, and I know something of the pressures on them from my visits as a parish priest to such institutions. We are not immune to that danger. We need to That makes it all the more crucial that there is clarity affirm that violence needs to be outlawed in all that violence is not a part of the sanctions available to circumstances in our society, not least within the narrow them in their work. The quality of care needs to be world of the STCs, which we are talking about today. constantly reinforced by training and by support for There needs to be a greater determination to do away front-line staff. I very much welcome the emphasis of with those restraint techniques which are or could both the committee and the Government on the need become violent and to stress the importance—which for training and the improved training now available. has hardly been mentioned here, but which I hope the Minister will talk about—of relationships of personal care I hope that the Minister will say more about the between staff and children. If the quotations in personal support that is, and must be, provided to the committee’s report from the training manual staff. They need encouragement to develop a caring about techniques of “hair grab”, “strangle against the relationship with those for whom they are responsible, wall” or “kicks on the floor” are accurate, they are many of whom have experienced very little care or alarming. I hope that the Minister will be able to speak love in their own lives. They need to do all that they of positive moves towards better relationships in STCs can to ensure that STCs are not themselves bleak and and to an ending of such practices. unloving institutions. In that context, I was particularly pleased to see in 12.21 pm the Government’s response a reference to restorative Baroness Falkner of Margravine: My Lords, I, too, justice, whereby in one of the institutions, at least, am enormously grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, staff review the incident of restraint along with the for giving us, even on this last day of term, the young person concerned. This taking of responsibility opportunity to turn our attention to this most important by the young person is very much to be welcomed, and report concerning the use of restraint in secure training I hope that the Government will agree to encourage centres. such developments in the other secure training centres so that restorative justice becomes one of the principles I am somewhat puzzled that the Ministry of Justice by which relationships are developed and love is shown is not dealing with this issue. The Minister was in the in STCs. Chamber earlier. I recognise the locus of the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, in this matter, given that the That taking of responsibility by the child or young Department for Children, Schools and Families is person is necessary if we are to maintain another fine involved in the treatment of young people—I am sure line, between restraint and punishment. Again the that the noble Lord will give us a most excellent Government are clear that techniques of restraint are exposé of what the Government are doing—but one not used as punishment, yet I wonder whether it feels would have expected the relevant ministry, the ministry to like that to the young person concerned. The difficult which we address our scrutiny in our Questions on examples given by the committee, and to which the a regular basis, to deal with the issue. It is the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, has referred, sound to me as ministry that dealt with the Joint Committee on though the children involved received that treatment Human Rights; it is the lead ministry; and it is the one as punishment—and undeserved punishment at that. that issues the guidance. It is extraordinary that it We need to be clear that violence by a child upon child has chosen not to be involved. At this stage, we are or staff will not be tolerated, but we need to be still carrying out parliamentary scrutiny of one sort or more aware that what is perceived as violence by staff another. upon a child is more dangerous still. This quickly We are also aware that the Ministry of Justice and becomes the violence of authority escalating within the Department for Children, Schools and Families the secure system and then beyond. have agreed a joint review of the situation—the noble I am currently attending the Lambeth conference Lord, Lord Dubs, mentioned that. I re-emphasise his of Anglican bishops from all over the world. Indeed, question. The review was due to report on 4 April this when I asked for consent to be here yesterday and year. As far as we are aware, we have not been shown today, the conference asked me to bring its best wishes the findings of the review, nor have we seen the to all in your Lordships’ House. I would not want Government’s response. Can the Minister tell us when noble Lords to think that my presence here means that we can expect to see that? either I or the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of I turn to the report of the Joint Committee on Lincoln were not invited to Lambeth or that either of Human Rights. I should say that I was a member of us declined to go. Among the events in Canterbury is the committee when the previous report on deaths in one organised by the Churches’Network for Non-violence, custody was produced—I believe that it was during the which campaigns for an end to violence against children 2004-05 Session. We brought up some of the issues throughout the world and to whose work I am delighted that arise in this report. Some years have now passed, but to pay tribute. I fear that we do not see much movement. 1665 Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint[LORDS] Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint 1666

[BARONESS FALKNER OF MARGRAVINE] The general tone of the Government’s response to The noble Lord, Lord Dubs, said that the the JCHR’s scrutiny is incomprehension that expanding Government’s response came out on Thursday 17 July. the use of restraint should trouble anyone. Perhaps the The noble Lord may naturally seek to be kinder in his absence of a Minister is proof of the priority given to comments to the Minister than I might be from the this debate; this is not a high-order issue. The incredulity other side of the Chamber. If it came out on Thursday extends to all sorts of legal contortions that we are 17 July, I should say that some of us have been abroad. presented with, such as why UK ratification of the I came back last night, and the only opportunity that I convention matters, but not the inspector’s comments. have had to read the Government’s response has been In other words, the findings of the UN Committee on this morning. The way in which the debate is treated is the Rights of the Child are dismissed because its indicative of the importance given to this issue. conclusions are not narrowly, legally binding. Another The report is eminently sensible. It recognises the legal contortion is the definition of violence. I pay difficulties involved on all sides. We accept that the tribute to the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of trainees—the young people who are detained—and Ripon and Leeds who spoke so passionately about the staff have to maintain a level of order whereby these distinctions and how one perceives violence in these young people can be detained for the prescribed legal terms, the exact legal definition of the use of period in the best possible way. I think people on all force, and so on. sides accept that there must be an element of pragmatism. In the Government’s eyes, violence is the “unlawful The committee, however, seeks to influence the or unjustifiable” use of force, which is the narrowest Government’s report in several significant ways. That possible definition that one might imagine. People is what it is there for. We on these Benches agree who speak plain English might not think of that wholeheartedly with its conclusions and its criticisms, definition when they encounter the word “violence”. I and we were disappointed—briefly, as I scanned it—with looked up “violence” in my college dictionary, which the Government’s response to it. is excessively detailed and academic. The most commonly First, the order to extend the scope of the use of understood meaning is “swift and intense force”. The restraint was passed without parliamentary debate. next most common definition is, We are told that it is a statutory instrument and so “rough or injurious physical force, action or treatment”. cannot be subject parliamentary debate, and that that It is only at a third tier of usage where violence is an, is how the system works. That is all very well, but an “unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power”. order that broadens so widely the application of I labour that point because, if you are a young person restraint—the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, commented on at the receiving end of violence or force—call it what what it does in practical terms and I will not take up you will—that causes you intense physical pain and any more time discussing it—passes without debate, discomfort, not to mention the psychological humiliation and the Government’s response is that they do not that no doubt will follow and be alongside that, it believe they should answer the question about the matters little that the state, in its wisdom, defines provision’s compatibility with the Human Rights Act violence in a different way from how you see it. That is or provide any scope for consultation. I would have evidenced in the suicide note and the testimony given expected the Explanatory Notes, as did the committee by Adam Rickwood, who, as we know, tragically took in its report, to cover whether this new expansion of his own life. powers was compatible with the Human Rights Act. Finally, I come to the comments made by the Let me go further. We know that, historically, black Minister in his testimony to the committee. He referred and ethnic minority young people are subjected to to: restraint in larger numbers than their white counterparts. According to the Howard League for Penal Reform, “The important balance to be struck between competing prison monitoring shows that restraint is used rights”. disproportionately on young black men. Will the Minister We hear that all the time. In the terrorism legislation, say whether the Ministry of Justice will give us a we are hearing about the importance of the balance broader view of whether the expansion of powers is that needs to be struck between security and liberty. I compatible with human rights? The Ministry of Justice would argue that to imply a balance is to suggest that also needs to carry out a race impact assessment when there is a trade-off in terms of a scale, a measurement, members of a particular population within the secure and that there might be a little more or a little less here training estate are affected in higher numbers than or there. their white counterparts. We need to know why this is On the use of violence by the state against its own happening. young people, to imply a balance is to approach the Still on the theme of scrutiny, will the Minister say problem from the wrong philosophical mindset. It is whether he will take up the committee’s recommendation not a balance. The state has a duty to be extremely that every six months the Ministry of Justice should careful in its dealings with these people. There should provide Parliament with figures on the use of restraint? be overt, explicit, transparent commitments that the If the answer is yes, will he say when we can expect the agents of the state will not use violence against children latest set of figures to be released? The report was except in highly and extraordinarily well defined published in April, so I would expect that by the time circumstances. we return after the Summer Recess we might have There is little left to be said other than that the sight of some figures to know whether the expansion extension of these powers in this manner, without of powers has resulted in a decrease, increase or whatever adequate consultation and scrutiny, is wrong. It was in the use of restraint for maintaining order. wrong when it was dealt with then. But, furthermore, 1667 Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint[22 JULY 2008] Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint 1668 the way in which it was dealt in response to the Joint the inquiry. The right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Committee of Human Rights report and findings, and Ripon and Leeds referred to that when he talked the Government’s response, was wrong. I shall conclude about restitution. I also share the concern that the by quoting the opening paragraph of the conclusions guidelines for the use of restraint are not published. I of the committee’s report, which says it all. We would shall be very interested to hear the Minister’s response wish to see that reflected in the way the Government to that. Obviously, with the volume of occasions on deals with it. The report states: which restraint is customarily used, it is not possible to “The state has a duty to ensure that detained young people implement suggestions that there should be an inquiry and STC staff are protected from abuse or violence. It is therefore every time. incumbent on the state to take positive steps to ensure that The committee was extremely critical of the detainees and staff are not injured by other detainees, and conversely that detainees are not injured by staff … We are dissatisfied by the Government’s attitude to the report. It contended that Minister’s explanation of how current policy and practice comply the Minister appeared to distinguish between the use with human rights standards”. of force or restraint and the application of violence, I hope that the Minister responding today will not which has been the subject around the House today. It leave us in that state of frustration. pointed out that no such distinction features in human rights law and, while the Government do not sanction 12.35 pm violence against children, that is exactly what current Viscount Bridgeman: My Lords, I, too, join other legislation permits. The committee found that the noble Lords in thanking the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, Government suggested in their response that they are for initiating this important debate. If my reply is on not obliged to comply with the general comments of the short side, it is only because I share so much of the the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, but sentiments articulated by the noble Lord and the simply with the convention. That is not satisfactory. It noble Baroness, Lady Falkner. This is a very sensitive is messy. Strictly speaking that it is true, but it ill and sometimes distressing area of the criminal justice behoves this country to be seen to be complying with system, but that is all the more reason why we should our obligations so grudgingly. We should be concerned deal with it in a careful and thoughtful way. about applying the most rigorous standards, not about The Joint Committee has produced its report, which getting away with the barest minimum. I hope that the can be added to the growing list of reports that have Minister will feel able to expand on that point. dealt with youth justice. Of course, we have the anchor The committee also raised concerns about the use document of the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, in his of the term, inquiry on behalf of the Howard League and I share “to ensure good order and discipline”, the concern of several noble Lords that we await the in the rules. This term appeared in the Criminal Justice very long delayed government response to that. That and Public Order Act 1994, it was absent from the inquiry, and the subsequent rule changes, followed the 1998 rules, but has made a reappearance in the 2007 death of a young man, Gareth Wyatt, in circumstances rules. The Joint Committee criticised this phrase as, involving the use of restraint. This important area “imprecise, over-broad and inherently subjective”, deserves the full attention all of us in Parliament, and its view will increase confusion rather than clarify because failure can have such tragic consequences. what is allowed. Can the Minister explain why that We have been reminded that secure training centres term was not considered appropriate to be included in were set up to accommodate young offenders between the 1998 rules? If the Government are so sure that it is the ages of 12 and 17 who were too young or too now necessary, I hope that they will take careful note vulnerable to be in young offender institutions run by of the committee’s comments. I shall be interested to the Prison Service. As ever, a fine balance must be hear from the Minister exactly what he proposes to do struck. It is a sad reality that staff in secure training about that. I want also to ask him whether the centres are sometimes confronted with a risk or threat circumstances in any of the four training centres since of violence from those whom they are charged to the rules came into force have required the restraint to oversee, which always must be borne in mind when be used to maintain “good order and discipline”. If criticising the service. They are compelled to maintain so, how many times? Is he in a position to tell the a certain standard of behaviour and discipline among House whether these situations could have been properly a group of offenders, who in many cases are very resolved under the pre-2007 rules? disturbed characters I end by quoting the further observations of the On the secure training centres, it is a salutary thought committee in referring to the phrase “good order and that England and Wales—Scotland is excluded because discipline”: it does not have secure training centres—is just about “Far from achieving clarity about the circumstances in which the only jurisdiction in Europe which employs restraint physical restraint can be used on a child, as recommended by the by force in this way. The staff in these centres are, by coroner in the Rickwood case, instead it brings confusion”. and large, underpaid and, even more seriously, under- I shall be very interested to hear the Minister’s comments. trained. It is the view of bodies such as the Howard League that restraint should be used only in exceptional 12.41 pm circumstances where all else has failed and that there The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, should be an on-the-spot inquiry after each incident. Department for Children, Schools and Families (Lord One of the more radical suggestions in the report Adonis): My Lords, my noble friend Lord Dubs made from the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, was that the child—I a powerful speech in which he drew the House’s attention emphasise the word “child”, although the Government to the report of the Joint Committee on Human persist in calling them trainees—should be involved in Rights on the use of restraint in secure training centres. 1669 Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint[LORDS] Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint 1670

[LORD ADONIS] young people at the centres. The United Kingdom is We have also had compelling contributions about committed to meeting its obligations under the UN non-violence, relationship building and human rights Convention on the Rights of the Child and pays due from the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Ripon attention to the opinions and guidance of the UN and Leeds, the noble Baroness, Lady Falkner, and the committee. However, the committee is not a judicial noble Viscount, Lord Bridgeman. We appreciate the body and we need to have regard to the wording of the good wishes of the Anglican Bishops deliberating in convention as it is ratified. We are confident that our Canterbury at the present time. We reciprocate those understanding of the convention is correct. good wishes, as the participants appear to have challenges When discussing the use of physical restraint there at least as great as those that this House faces in needs to be a balance between the rights of a young reaching decisions on delicate matters. person whose behaviour is dangerous to others, or to As the noble Viscount rightly said, this is a sensitive the security of the institution, and the rights of those and often distressing area of policy. I recognise affected by that behaviour. In deciding what is acceptable, unreservedly the duty of care that the state owes to we have to have a proper recognition of the rights of those in its custody. A number of key issues are raised all those involved. The Joint Committee’s report placed in the Joint Committee’s report: the principles of emphasis on the Secure Training Centre (Amendment) human rights; the amendment rules made last year; Rules 2007, which added the need to maintain “good the mechanisms in place for ensuring that restraint is order and discipline” as one of the purposes for which used lawfully, and their review; and effective staff the use of restraint is permitted. Good order and training. In addressing these issues I also want to discipline is central to the running of secure training emphasise the critical priority, which my department centres and of any other establishment where young recognises, of promoting good education in all the people are accommodated. The primary legislation institutions of the secure estate for children and young that created secure training centres, the Criminal Justice people so that they can make the best of their lives and Public Order Act 1994, makes ensuring good after they leave. order and discipline one of the four duties of custody I state categorically at the outset that the techniques officers. It goes on to specify that to fulfil their duties of restraint should be used strictly as a last resort and correctly, custody officers shall have the power to use never as a punishment. That is a fundamental principle force “where necessary”. enshrined in the YouthJustice Board’s code of practice, “Good order and discipline” is not an ambiguous Managing Children and Young People’s Behaviour in term to give custody officers carte blanche to use force. the Secure Estate. However, the behaviour of some The Government recognise the importance of ensuring young people in custody is frequently challenging and that physical restraint is used as sparingly as possible. can be dangerous. It is important that staff who work The code of practice, Managing Children and Young with and care for these young people are able to People’s Behaviour in the Secure Estate, states that intervene appropriately in situations where there is a restrictive physical interventions must not be used as a threat to personal safety or where the safety of the punishment or merely to secure compliance with staff establishment is put at risk. instructions. They must only be used to counter behaviour To establish and maintain a safe environment, it is that puts the safe running of the establishment at risk essential that custody officers are able to defuse potentially and then only as a last resort when no alternative is dangerous situations. This can be done without recourse available or other options have been exhausted. to physical intervention in most situations, but, alas, My noble friend cited the reference in the Joint not always, and sometimes other means will be simply Committee’s report to the example of a collective impossible. In these situations it is imperative that refusal by young people to go to bed at the appointed officers have the right to intervene and establish order. time when asked to do so, a situation where there Ensuring the physical safety of everyone involved in appeared to be no immediate threat of violence. I the custodial system for young people is the overriding would not wish to make an armchair judgment about responsibility of Parliament, the Government and all the correctness of a particular decision to use physical the public officers involved. restraint without an understanding of all the circumstances The issue at the centre of this debate is what actions in which it was made. However, it is important that we and what circumstances constitute acceptable intervention are clear about what in principle is appropriate or and what oversteps the line. The use of force becomes inappropriate. I say without qualification that a decision violence if it is used in an inappropriate way, either to use restraint simply to ensure immediate compliance through being excessive or through being applied in a with an instruction to go to bed would be in breach of situation that is not appropriate. It is therefore critical the code of practice. Section 10.4 of the code is clear that custody officers have a clear understanding of on this point: when and how they should intervene to maintain “Restrictive physical interventions must not be used as a safety and security.That is why we asked Peter Smallridge punishment or merely to secure compliance with staff instructions”. and Andrew Wilkinson to conduct an independent review. However, if the situation was such that a continuing refusal to go to bed puts the facility at risk because of, Secure training centres must take account of the for example, the loss of control by staff, then minimum human rights of the trainees in their care. The requirement necessary physical intervention might be appropriate to comply with the Human Rights Act 1998 is explicitly under Section 10.5 of the code, which states: mentioned in their contracts and all operators are “Any intervention must be in compliance with the relevant aware of their obligations under the Act. The Youth rules and regulations for the establishment, and carried out in Justice Board keeps in close touch with directors about accordance with methods in which the member of staff has matters relating to human rights and the welfare of received training”. 1671 Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint[22 JULY 2008] Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint 1672

I turn now to the amendment rules themselves. requires them to give refresher training to each staff There was no formal consultation, but before introducing member every 12 months. In addition, all staff are the amendment rules the Government took into provided with written guidance when they join the consideration the views of all the various interest centre which sets out the policies and procedures in groups. We consulted key stakeholders, the Youth relation to the use and recording of restraint. Justice Board and the operators of secure training Following any incident of restraint, a report must centres, and were well informed of the views of other be prepared within 24 hours and considered by senior commentators. Furthermore, contrary to what I thought managers. Monthly management meetings review all my noble friend said, the amendment rules were fully physical control in care incidents and there is a complaints debated by your Lordships when they were made. The procedure if a young person feels that force has been noble Lord, Lord Carlile, prayed against the Secure misapplied or used inappropriately. The Independent Training Centre (Amendment) Rules 2007 on 18 July Advocacy Service assists young people who wish to last year, and a long debate ensued during which many make a complaint. of these points were thoroughly debated and addressed The Youth Justice Board is continually seeking to by my noble friend Lord Hunt. develop and reinforce these mechanisms to maximise The effect of the rule amendment has been made the safety of young people and staff at secure training clear to all those concerned. When the rule change was centres. It is a central tenet of government policy on introduced, instructors at the Prison Service’s Control secure training centres that every trainee who has had and Restraint Centre—now the National Tactical to be restrained is able to discuss the incident afterwards. Response Group—informed local instructors of the The code of practice to which I referred earlier states: new legal position, new manuals were issued to all “After the intervention, the child or young person must have instructors and the change was covered in the training the opportunity to debrief with a suitable member of staff, with of new staff and refresher training for existing staff. the support of an advocate if requested”. We said at the time of the rule change that we did not However, a written statement by the trainee is not expect it to lead to greater use of restraint, and it has always the best option. The Youth Justice Board is not done so. The rules came into effect in July 2007 exploring further with the secure training centres how and since then the trend has been downwards. young people’s views can be best taken into account. The noble Baroness and my noble friend asked Physical control in care training includes sessions about further information on the use of restraint. on determining whether the use of force is necessary Statistics collected by the Youth Justice Board on the and proportionate. If a centre’s operating procedures use of restraint in secure training centres and other are not clear or appropriate, the Youth Justice Board secure establishments for young people in custody are can amend or reject them before they come into effect. regularly provided in response to Questions in this Monitoring arrangements provide for the YouthJustice House and in another place. However, the Youth Board to determine whether a centre has robust Justice Board intends in future to publish annual mechanisms in place to review its operating procedures statistics on the use of restraint, the first of which will and to check that they are being adhered to. Physical be published later this year. control in care is discussed with the young person on We are looking at the whole issue in the light of the arrival at the centre and covered in the induction recommendations of the joint review of restraint, process. If a young person has to be physically restrained, which we are currently considering. My noble friend staff explain why it was necessary and examine strategies asked when we will publish that review. We plan to to avoid a repetition. The STC’s statement of purpose publish it and the Government’s response together by and function—which describes when PCC is used, the end of October; so it will be freely available to the how it fits in with the STC’s wider behaviour management House to consider in due course. strategy, how incidents are documented and how they are reviewed—is available to parents and carers. Copies I turn next to the framework of supervision. We can be sent on request or it can be viewed at the centre need to ensure that the system of restraint is not itself. abused. There are many mechanisms in place to ensure The Government are seeking constantly to ensure that the use of restraint is lawful and ethical. On a that the system is as good as it can be by reviewing national level, we have established the Physical Control practice. The YouthJustice Board has convened expert in Care Management Board to drive forward medical panels in 2004-05 and 2007-08 to examine the improvements and safety measures. The board oversees safety of the restraint techniques approved for use in all the processes for ensuring the safety of physical secure training centres. The use of three techniques, control in care and will address any new issues that including the nose distraction technique mentioned by arise. On a local level, every secure training centre has my noble friend, has been suspended following a monitor whose duty is to review the running of the recommendations by the panel. Last year we set up an centre and to report to the Secretary of State any independent joint review of restraint in juvenile secure allegations against custody officers. settings to look at all aspects of restraint in the under-18 All centres have mechanisms to ensure that staff secure estate. Its terms of reference included looking understand when physical control in care may and at the restraint techniques used, staff training related may not be used. All custody staff must complete a to restraint, cross-departmental knowledge sharing four-day PCC course before qualification. The course and the systems for monitoring and recording incidents covers the legal requirements relating to the use of of restraint, including injuries and warning signs exhibited restraint as well as health and safety considerations. after restraint. As I said a moment ago, we will respond The YouthJustice Board’s contract with STC providers in full to the report by the end of October. 1673 Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint[LORDS] Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint 1674

[LORD ADONIS] Baroness Crawley: My Lords, with the greatest The Government and the Youth Justice Board have respect—if the noble Baroness would resume her seat—I prepared and published an action plan setting out ask her, if she has a direct question, to ask it. Otherwise, what we have done and are doing in response to the we are running out of time. detailed recommendations of the coroners who presided at the inquests into Gareth Myatt’s and Adam Rickwood’s deaths. Baroness Falkner of Margravine: My Lords, I was As the noble Viscount rightly said, training is crucial just coming to my question. In future, when the to effective practice in this area. A system is in place Government’s response to a committee report comes for the ongoing training of staff. The contracts for out just one sitting day before the debate itself, would secure training centres stipulate: the department be kind enough to draw our attention “Staff required to use Physical Restraint on a Trainee in to it by e-mail or send us an electronic copy? custody at the Secure Training Centre or to instruct others in its use must be appropriately trained by accredited instructors approved by the Authority”. Lord Adonis: My Lords, I greatly regret that the They also state: noble Baroness did not have a chance to consider the “Refresher training on the use of Physical Restraint at the government response fully while preparing her remarks. Secure Training Centre will be given at regular intervals”. Had I been aware, I would myself have sent it to her All training issues are now overseen by the Physical earlier. Unfortunately, I cannot undertake that government Control in Care Management Board. The system of responses will be sent in every individual case, but it is staff training is to be enhanced by regular audits by my own normal practice as a Minister to see that national instructors to give assurance that training is noble Lords are fully aware of relevant government being delivered correctly. The board will further consider documents. If she feels that there was a lack of courtesy training issues, including the content of the physical in our provision of information to her in this case, I control in care manual, in the light of the findings of apologise for that. the joint review of restraint. The manual is revised and In conclusion, the report of the Joint Committee updated following review by the expert medical review on Human Rights has highlighted a number of concerns panel and otherwise as circumstances require. We and made a number of recommendations. Many of intend to conduct a full review of the manual having those have been taken on board by the Government, considered the findings of the joint review of restraint, and we will have more to say in due course. We must and in doing so we will take account of the Joint not forget, however, that not only do we have to Committee’s comments. The manual has already been protect the physical safety of all those who live and updated to remove references to the two techniques—the work at custodial institutions, but we must protect the double basket hold and the nose distraction technique— safety of the environment at such institutions to ensure that were suspended in response to the concerns of the that we give all young people in custody the best most recent medical panel. chance to live normal lives once they come out of the The noble Viscount and my noble friend asked about system. publication of the manual. Although part of the manual The Government take this responsibility very seriously. isalreadypublished,theactualtechniquesarenotpublished We have introduced a number of measures to ensure as they might be attempted by untrained people and that inappropriate techniques are not used to restrain that would put others at risk. We believe that that is a young people, that staff have sufficient training to use sound judgment on the balance between what should restraint appropriately and that the system is under be published in the manual and what should be withheld. constant review. Like noble Lords who have spoken in The Joint Committee’s report calls for stopping the this debate, I wish to see the custodial system serve use of distraction techniques completely. We have those who pass through it as best it can. We believe suspended, as I say, the nose distraction technique on that all the measures that have been put in place and the advice of the independent medical panel. Distraction our ongoing review will help to improve the system of techniques are for use in situations where, if they were youth justice to the benefit of all those concerned. not available, there would be no means of applying the normal restraint holds and bringing an incident under control. They involve a momentary pain which will 1.02 pm distract a person long enough for an officer to intervene Lord Dubs: My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who safely. The use of distraction techniques is one of the contributed to this serious debate. I hope, taking what the issues considered by the joint review of restraint and, Minister said, that it will have influenced practice and as I say, we will have more to say about it by the end behaviour in these centres, difficult as they are. of October. In conclusion, the report of the Joint Committee I welcome the fact that the Minister said that the on Human Rights has highlighted a number of concerns. YSB will publish annual statistics. I particularly welcome the fact that the Government will publish the report Baroness Falkner of Margravine: My Lords, I thank on the matters they have been inquiring into at the end the Minister for giving way. I wanted to come back in of October. I am pleased that the young people concerned before he concluded. He has not covered some of the in such incidents can give their views. issues that I raised, particularly in relation to why his I am not entirely happy that only part of the department rather than the Ministry of Justice is manual is to be published. When one looks at what is dealing with the debate. Leaving that aside, can he on the internet, I think we are being a little overcautious tell us— there. Public transparency would be better. 1675 Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint[22 JULY 2008] Iraq 1676

I welcome the fact that the Minister said that violence thanks to operations by Iraqi and coalition security will be used only as a last resort and only if there is a forces that are strongly welcomed by ordinary Iraqis, threat to safety. Above all, I believe this short debate violent incidents right across Iraq are at their lowest may well have contributed to improving standards in level since 2004. Sunni groups have now joined the secure training centres. For that, I am grateful to the Iraqi and American forces in driving al-Qaeda from House and to the Minister. areas where it had been able to terrorise the population, On Question, Motion agreed to. and Iraqi troops, with British and American support, have had success against the illegal Shia militias, giving the Government of Iraq more control of the Iraq country. 1.03 pm “Of course this progress, often fragile, cannot be taken for granted. Millions of Iraqis are still refugees, The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton either inside Iraq or in other countries. And the two of Upholland): My Lords, with the permission of the car bombs detonated at the gates of an Iraqi army House, I would now like to repeat a Statement made in recruitment centre on 15 July remind us that there another place by my right honourable friend the Prime are groups still determined to inflict violence. Minister. “But the most important development is that the “Mr Speaker, with permission, and following my improvements we have seen have been increasingly visit last weekend to Baghdad and Basra, I would Iraqi-led. Security responsibility for 10 of 18 provinces like to update the House on the latest developments has now transferred to Iraqi control, including all in Iraq. four provinces in Britain’s area of operations. The “Let me start by paying tribute to the British Iraqi security forces are now taking the lead in service men and women who have served there with maintaining security and confronting all those who distinction since March 2003 and in particular to perpetrate violence, including acting decisively against those who have given their lives in service of their Shia militia in Basra, Sadr City and Al Amara. And country. I know the whole House will join with me they have been supported by local people from in honouring the memory of the fallen and saluting across Iraq’s communities, Sunni, Shia and Kurd. the courage of all our military and our civilian personnel. “Britain has already helped train more than 20,000 Iraqi army troops. But I want to pay credit “As I set out in my October Statement, our to Prime Minister Maliki, his Government and the objective is the creation of an independent, prosperous, Iraqi security forces who have shown bravery and democratic Iraq that is free of terrorist violence, leadership in tackling the terrorists and militias secure within its borders and a stable presence in threatening the stability of their country. the region—something that is firmly in Britain’s interests, and in the interests of the world as a “The improved security situation has provided a whole. platform for further essential progress on reconciliation. And we have seen not only increased co-operation “To achieve this, we have sought with America between Sunni communities and the Iraqi Government and our other allies to support the Iraqi Government in areas like Anbar and Mosul and the return of the as they take on greater responsibility for their security Tawafuq Sunni party to the Government, but the and for safeguarding their new democracy, challenging passage of key legislation that is helping to embed those, whether terrorists, insurgents or militia, who democracy, including the accountability and justice threaten their citizens and undermine the rule of law, the provincial powers law and the 2008 budget. law. We have also sought to foster democratic and accountable government and support national “The next stage will be provincial elections, reconciliation, giving all of Iraq’s communities a reinforcing the political progress being made at the genuine say in the future of their country. And we national level. And our message to the leaders of all have worked to help the Iraqis build their economy Iraq’s communities and parties right across the and give their people an economic stake in the country is that they must continue to make the right future. long-term decisions to achieve a sustainable peace. “In the last year, this has led us to pursue the “It is also important that, as we move forward, strategy of ‘overwatch’, moving from combat to we see Iraq’s neighbours playing a constructive and the training and mentoring of the Iraqi forces and responsible role in Iraq’s future. In particular, Syria the Iraqi police, encouraging the development of should clamp down on the movement of foreign local government and working with the Iraqis on a fighters and Iran must stop the provision of arms Basra economic development strategy. and training to those who attack the democratically “And in recent months, conditions in Basra have elected Government of Iraq, the coalition forces in shown a marked improvement. Incidents of indirect Iraq at that Government’s request, and the Iraqi fire against British troops in the Basra air station people. have fallen from 200 a month at their peak last “We will also continue to focus on helping the summer to an average of fewer than five a month Iraqi Government rebuild their economy and ensuring since April this year. As the All-Party House of the Iraqi people have a stake in their future. British-led Commons Defence Committee says in its report projects in southern Iraq have already helped deliver today, the security situation in Basra has been enough electricity to supply 800,000 people and ‘transformed’. And, as General Petraeus and water supply for more than 1 million people, with Ambassador Crocker confirmed to me at the weekend, this year another 120,000 people due to get power 1677 Iraq[LORDS] Iraq 1678

[BARONESS ASHTON OF UPHOLLAND] elections will take place by the end of 2008. Subject and 250,000 gain access to direct supplies of water. to security conditions on the ground, our military Our funding has helped the UN and World Bank commanders believe that the Iraqis will be able to repair and re-equip 1,000 healthcare centres and take over development of Basra airport by the end more than 5,000 schools, and train nearly 150,000 of this year. They also expect the first stage of the teachers. With British training and equipment, general training and mentoring of the combat troops including upgrades to air traffic control systems, of the 14th Division in Basra to be complete around lighting and firefighting capability, Iraqi personnel the turn of the year. are now regularly handling more than 20 civil flights “As the focus shifts from training combat troops, a week at Basra international airport. And British we will then move forward to the specific task of mentoring and support has helped the Basra provincial mentoring headquarter and specialist staffs. Our council gain access to $400 million in central military commanders expect the 14th Division in government funds for 2008—money that, in line Basra to be fully trained during the first months of with the council’s increasing ability to take the lead next year. itself, it is now spending to further improve “As we complete these tasks, and as progress infrastructure and provide public services such as continues across these different areas, we will continue power, water, health and education. to reduce the number of British troops in Iraq. Of “Last week, the Basra Development Commission course, future decisions will be based, as I have agreed an outline economic strategy for Basra that always said, on the advice of our military commanders sets out plans to encourage private sector and foreign on the ground. But I can tell the House today that investment. Britain is supporting the new Basra just as last year we moved from combat to overwatch, Investment Promotion Agency, which I met at the we would expect a further fundamental change of weekend, and the Basra Development Fund, which mission in the first months of 2009 as we make the will provide loans to small and start-up businesses—key transition to a long-term bilateral partnership with drivers of economic growth and job creation. I am Iraq, similar to the normal relationships which our grateful for the work of Michael Wareing, a leading military forces have with other important countries British businessman, who co-chairs the Basra in the region. Development Commission. “The Defence Secretary and our military “Nine months ago, I set out the key elements of commanders will now work with the Iraqi Government our strategy for handing over security in Basra to to formulate agreement on the details of such a the Iraqis and set out the stages for completing the partnership, including the necessary legal basis, tasks we have set ourselves. We completed the initial and he will report to the House in the autumn. phase on target, handing over Basra to provincial “I believe it is right that having successfully Iraqi control in December. This allowed us to reduce trained and mentored large numbers of the Iraqi troop numbers in southern Iraq from 5,500 in forces, and having successfully worked with the September to 4,500. Iraqis on a new economic development strategy, we complete the key tasks we have agreed with the “After the Iraqi Government launched Operation Iraqi Government: training the 14th Division of Charge of the Knights to enforce the rule of law in the Iraqi army in Basra; preparing Basra airport for Basra, as my right honourable friend the Defence transfer to Iraqi control; pushing forward economic Secretary explained to the House in April, the development; providing the necessary support for military advice was that we should pause the further provincial elections; honouring our obligations to planned reduction so that British troops, together the Iraqi people; and, at all times, ensuring the with US forces, could support the Iraqis in this safety of our Armed Forces, whose professionalism crucial operation. Since then, we have responded to and dedication have brought us to this stage and changing needs and embedded more than 800 UK whose service to our country I once again commend personnel within the Iraqi command structure, at to the House”. divisional, brigade and battalion level. The focus of My Lords, that concludes the Statement. the 4,100 UK forces still in southern Iraq is now on completing the task of training and mentoring the 14th Division of the Iraqi army in Basra. It is right 1.14 pm that as we do so, we continue for the next few Lord Strathclyde: My Lords, I thank the noble months to provide support at these levels. Baroness the Leader of the House for repeating this important Statement. A military commitment to “Other remaining military tasks, agreed with the containing—indeed, sustaining—Iraq has scored national Government of Iraq and in close consultation with affairs for nearly a generation. Week after week, Parliament our US allies, include finalising the preparation of hears the litany of brave young men and women who Basra airport for transfer to Iraqi control and have laid down their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. We continuing to develop the capacity of the Iraqi navy cannot fully express our gratitude to them or our and marines so they can protect Iraq’s oil platforms, admiration for the skill and fortitude of our troops in territorial waters and Umm Qasr port—all critical their varied and often changing missions in this troubled to Iraq’s economic future. It is now right to complete region. So many of the aspirations and enmities causing the tasks we have set ourselves. the multi-layered and overlapping tensions in this “We expect the Basra Development Commission region are centuries old. I wonder whether we are any to publish its detailed economic development plan nearer a solution now. In fact, are we any nearer to in the autumn. 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It is clear that Iraq must be restored to being a great the very existence of Israel were rightly condemned by nation, a pivot of regional affairs—a nation that with the Prime Minister as abhorrent. Its sponsorship of security and stability could and should be one of the Hezbollah and Hamas in encircling Israel is equally richest in the world. But while we welcome the Prime threatening to Israel. That is no route to justice for the Minister’s assessment that President Bush’s troop surge Palestinian people. What engagement, if any, is there has been a success, there is still far to go. with the revolutionary Hamas regime in Gaza, and As the Prime Minister says, Iraqi army and security can the noble Baroness confirm that Hezbollah now forces are now performing better and the Statement has an effective military, political and constitutional promises further progress in Basra, but what prospect block on the Government of the Lebanon and any have we that in Basra a woman may walk without a action by them? What is being done there? After all, veil and go without fear? What hope is there of accelerating France has the EU presidency; it has a historic link economic reconstruction, including even faster progress with Lebanon. What is President Sarkozy doing to than reported to the provision of basic amenities such help the matter? as reliable electricity and clean water? What did the Prime Minister mean when he said While there are improvements in security in Basra that Iran would not be allowed to acquire nuclear city, can the noble Baroness confirm that the provisional weapons? It is, of course, a nightmare prospect, and reconstruction team is still based at the airbase? What something that we must all strive to avoid, but what prospect is there of a move to Basra proper, and have are the Government’s plans? Will there be sanctions? the circumstances for a move been clearly defined? If so, what, where, when, and enforced by whom? I welcome the fact that this time the Prime Minister What are the implications for the security of British has not made the error of grandstanding in Iraq on forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, within range of Iranian reducing troop numbers—a soundbite never properly reprisal? How can Russia and China be brought, as fulfilled, to the detriment of his own political reputation they must, into the resolution of these issues? Does it and force morale. What is the policy on troop reductions? need a fresh start? When will we know whether Mr Blair’s Everyone wants to see our forces out of Iraq as soon mission served whatever credible or useful purpose it as it is practicable to do so; but is not the right may once have had? approach, which we have advocated and the Government It would be tempting to ask about Afghanistan, for now seem to be adopting, to lay out conditions which the issues are linked and the impact on the desperate have to be met, to achieve the objectives we set ourselves overstretch of our troops enormous, but I shall ask and, only then, withdraw the troops? Does the noble only this. We are hearing new voices from Washington Baroness accept that there should be no more artificial talking of potentially pursuing al-Qaeda into Pakistan, timetables, as the Prime Minister said only on 19 July? whether the Pakistan Government agree or not. What Will she assure the House that no private undertakings is the UK Government’s view on that? have been given to either US presidential candidate? As we leave Westminster for pleasant places, families We have been there before, my Lords. Good personal up and down the land keep a watch on photographs of relations with a US president are one thing, British loved ones far away, doing dangerous duty for our national interests sometimes another. country. Across the Middle East, millions yearn for a What is our reaction to the call from the Iraqi peace that is so elusive and for leadership ready to take Government that all US combat forces, and so, the risks that will break the mould of poverty, hatred presumably, all UK troops, should be withdrawn from and the gun. In the weeks ahead, we should not forget Iraq by the end of 2010? any of them. The prize for success would be immense, What is to be done about the 2 million refugees who but the costs of lack of care and clarity in our objectives have fled Iraq in recent years? What discussions have are incalculable. As our nation, with its long experience, taken place about their future? Does the noble Baroness already knows, none would be spared the pain. Whatever agree that the long-term stability and prosperity of options are charted out in the months ahead, populist Iraq depend upon their eventual resettlement? Will disengagement, politically, diplomatically, or even she assure the House that there will be fair, honourable militarily, is not now among them. and dignified treatment for those brave Iraqis who helped our forces as interpreters and in so many other 1.22 pm ways? Some noble Lords may have seen reports of the Lord Avebury: My Lords, we, too, are grateful to squalid and demeaning conditions in which some of the noble Baroness the Leader of the House for repeating these families are living. Can the noble Baroness tell us the Statement made in the other place. We join in the how many families have been transferred here? Will tributes paid to members of our Armed Forces and she assure the House that they will not be placed in civilian personnel serving with them in Iraq and send accommodation in the UK that no one else will accept? our condolences to all the relatives of those whose Such action would shame our country. lives were lost in that theatre. A second certainty of the resolution of the crisis is We welcome the good news on the reconstruction that Iran is a proud and ancient nation, one of the of Iraq’s infrastructure—the education and health anvils of world civilisation, whose particular religious facilities, water, electricity and so on—although we identity has normally been a core of its sense of what cannot help reminding the noble Baroness that we it is. It is, and will be, a regional superpower. It must be would not have had to do that if we had not embarked treated with subtlety and respect. If it feels threatened, on the misguided and foolish invasion of Iraq some it will claim the right to defend itself and, of course, years ago. It is as a result of allied activities, which security runs two ways. That said, Iran has a duty to have destroyed so much of Iraq’s infrastructure, that behave with responsibility. Its outrageous threats to these operations are necessary now. 1681 Iraq[LORDS] Iraq 1682

[LORD AVEBURY] expect. Both noble Lords asked about troop reductions; We also think it disappointing that no further timetable we have been clear that any proposals to reduce troops is given in the Statement for withdrawal or even an would have to be on the basis of intelligence at the estimate of when our training role will end. What is time and what was being told to us by the military the number of troops at Basra airport? Will they be command at what was thought to be the most appropriate brought back to the United Kingdom or serve elsewhere moment. It is important, with my right honourable in Iraq when we hand over at the end of the year? The friend bringing the Statement to another place and me remaining handovers, which are scheduled to happen bringing it to your Lordships’ House, that we keep this by the end of the year, will surely result in a predictable House up to date with the current thinking and that number of reductions of troops in Iraq. The noble noble Lords are able to see the progress that is made. Baroness could have given us some indication of what But we will not put artificial timetables on it; any those numbers would be. It is very unsettling for the timetables that are put will always have the conditionality troops serving in the theatre not to have any idea of that circumstances must allow for them. how long they will remain there and when their term We look forward to the bilateral relationship that I of office will end. mentioned in the Statement between the Iraqi Government The Statement contains references to the foreign and ourselves. We, of course, agree that the long-term militants crossing the border from Syria. Do we have future of Iraq will be appropriately secured when any knowledge of who is organising and funding people are able to return home and continue the lives them? In our discussions with the Syrian Government, that they had before. I, too, saw the reports about have we made any progress towards halting the operations interpreters; as noble Lords know from a number of and getting at the sources of their training and funding? questions after previous Statements, not least from the Similarly, with Iran, what representations have we noble Lord, Lord Fowler, we believe that we should made to Tehran and what response have we had on the treat these important people appropriately. I absolutely army and the training of terrorists? The reduction in accept the relevance and importance of their role. It is the number of attacks on British personnel in Basra is my understanding that that is being done. I do not an indication of some success in persuading both have numbers for how many are here; if I am able to Syria and Iran not to engage in these operations, but is get them I shall ensure that the noble Lord, Lord it not also a product of better political relations between Strathclyde, and others are aware of them. the Sunni and Shia factions in Iraq? We do not hear For obvious reasons, I shall not discuss the role of anything these days about the Mahdi Army. Does that the French President or the voices in the USA on any mean that it has been incorporated in the political of these issues, particularly on Afghanistan, and noble process? I certainly hope so. Lords would not expect me to after this particular The Statement refers to al-Qaeda and gradually Statement. None the less, the Government are mindful overcoming its forces. Is that meant to be a generic of what is being said and we will make sure that we label or does it imply that there is some unification of keep in touch with what voices are raised in any the command structures among the militants still operating country on these important issues. This is not about in southern Iraq? populism; it is about making sure that we achieve the The Statement says nothing about Afghanistan, objectives that we have set ourselves in Basra. I hope which was raised by the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde. that noble Lords will accept from the Statement that As we progressively reduce the number of our troops we have made important movement in the right direction. in Iraq, is it the intention to support the operations in The noble Lord, Lord Avebury, focused in his opening Afghanistan or will we repatriate the troops liberated remarks on reconstruction and I agree with him that it from those operations to the United Kingdom? is important. It is an emphasis that my right honourable friends the Prime Minister and the Secretary of State 1.26 pm for International Development have rightly placed on Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, I am the work that we are doing. It is important to ensure extremely grateful to both noble Lords for their remarks. that there is economic investment, that we support the I thought that the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, began role of small businesses and the growth of enterprise in a rather philosophical frame of mind, which is and, as we indicated, that we provide support and important as we consider what is changing, particularly training for teachers, support for the health service in Basra and with the role of the British forces there. and so forth. There is no doubt that the improvements are real. I do not agree with the remarks of the noble Lord, Noble Lords will have the benefit of reading the Select Lord Avebury, about our being there. It is certainly Committee report from the other place, with the true that we no longer have Saddam Hussein in Iraq. information that it has put in the public domain. We It is also true that many of the opportunities in health are very pleased with the progress—although, as noble and education and even the supply of basic necessities Lords would expect, we are cautious about making for people were available to only part of the population. sure that it is not as fragile as it has been in the past We are involved in making sure that the whole population and that it will enable Baswari people to be able to live in Iraq is able to enjoy the basic amenities of life and normal lives in exactly the way that noble Lords have continuing and developing economic opportunities. described. As I said, we will consider troop reductions as appropriate. The Provincial Reconstruction Team will remain Those troops who are based in Basra know how long where it currently is until the time is right for it to they are there in terms of their tour of duty. We move. I shall say nothing more about that, for the continue to keep the situation under review and work obvious operational reasons that noble Lords would closely with the commanders in the ways that I mentioned. 1683 Iraq[22 JULY 2008] Iraq 1684

Both noble Lords referred to the situation with apparent desire to tie in with the US surge philosophy Iran. We know about the relationship between Iran and the temporary political advantages that may accrue and Iraq. Iran has a legitimate interest in the future of for the present Administration? It must be remembered Iraq. There have been strong cultural, religious and that we have very good coalition reasons to want to be economic ties. We welcome and encourage what we out of Iraq. As the Chief of the Defence Staff said would regard as a healthy and constructive relationship. recently, we are not geared to or capable of engaging But Iranian actions run counter to the professed desire in conflict on two fronts, particularly in the present for a stable, prosperous Iraq. There are serious concerns funding climate. To come out would enable us to do about continued Iranian support for illegal Shia militia better and more securely the things that we need to do groups in Iraq. We know that elements of the Iranian and which can be so helpful to all our allies in Afghanistan, state are providing material, training and funding which is now the most important focal point. against the Iraqi security forces. Of course, that Finally, does the noble Baroness not think that we undermines the elected Government of Iraq and causes may be sacrificing military effectiveness and military further violence. We and the Iraqi Government have needs for short-term political considerations, which made it clear to Iran that it needs to cut ties and links may change anyway next November? with those groups and improve security on the border with Iraq to prevent the transfer of weaponry. Coalition Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, I am forces continue to work to counter threats caused by grateful to the noble and gallant Lord. Within the illegal armed groups and to prevent the malign external Statement, I set out—I thought quite clearly—the support for them. issues that we believe we need to continue to deal with, We will no doubt debate and discuss what is happening including consideration of the troop level that we need in Afghanistan at future times, but noble Lords should to maintain. To recap quickly, those issues are training not make connections between troop reductions in the 14th Division, preparing Basra airport for transfer one country and troop increases in another country. to Iraqi control, pushing forward on economic They are very different situations, with which we will development and providing the necessary support for endeavour to keep your Lordships’ House up to speed. provincial elections. My right honourable friend was very clear in another place and in my discussions with 1.32 pm him that those are important aspects of securing the future of Iraq. Until we have secured them, we need to Lord Bramall: My Lords, I, too, thank the Leader make sure that we have the appropriate levels of personnel. of the House for repeating the Statement made by the There is no short-term expediency in this. It is about Prime Minister in another place, in which he gratifyingly honouring the obligations that we have to the Iraqi and deservedly praised our forces. However, although people. he anticipated that there would be some reductions in future, he was careful to give no definite dates for their Lord Fowler: My Lords, I was in Basra two or three withdrawal, implying as he said in a recent press months ago and I entirely confirm what the Prime interview that they must stay until the job is done. Minister and the noble Baroness said about the improved How that is exactly quantified, even with the detailed security position there. However, I also confirm the list of tasks contained in the Statement, is not at all dire position of hundreds of thousands of refugees. clear. After all, it was only a short time ago—about six That must never be forgotten. In particular, we must months—that he was completely confident that our not forget our duty to the interpreters who have worked forces had indeed achieved over the four years all that so loyally for the British forces. it was possible for them to achieve in that part of the Several of us have been pressing for some time for country and that they had achieved a great deal both an inquiry into the invasion of Iraq and the circumstances in peace enforcement and latterly in what he described surrounding it so that we can learn the lessons from as the overwatch of training. that. There has never been any legitimate reason, frankly, for refusing that inquiry. Do the Government Baroness Royall of Blaisdon: My Lords, please forgive now agree that such an inquiry can be set up? It is me for reminding noble Lords that, in response to overdue and the whole nation would benefit from it. Statements, they are supposed to put questions. Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, I commented Lord Bramall: My Lords, I was just coming to the earlier on the fact that the noble Lord continues to first of my two questions. press on the issue of interpreters. As I said, if I can get specific details of how many are currently in the UK, I Baroness Royall of Blaisdon: My Lords, I hope that will do so and make sure that he is informed of that. the noble and gallant Lord will forgive me; I was just We have already said that any further inquiry should taking the opportunity to remind noble Lords. be done at the appropriate time. We have already had four separate, independent inquiries, including the Lord Bramall: My Lords, my remarks were just an House of Commons Defence Committee and Foreign introduction, if I may say so. Affairs Committee reports and the Ministry of Defence As a result, British forces were withdrawn from report on lessons learnt. There is plenty of information, Basra city and it was stated at the time that a larger which noble Lords will have had the benefit of looking and quicker withdrawal of forces would be possible at, about the issues that brought us into Iraq and those than now appears to be the case. Therefore, my first that continue. Our belief is that any further inquiry question for the noble Baroness is: what has really should be at an appropriate point, which is certainly caused the change of heart, other than perhaps an not now. 1685 Iraq[LORDS] Iraq 1686

Baroness Tonge: My Lords, the noble Baroness already been emphasised, but I suggest that it is insufficient made the very interesting comment that more healthcare to say that it is simply a matter for the UN high and education services are available now than was the commissioner. Is there not a role both for local and case before the war. How many new healthcare centres international non-governmental organisations in assisting and schools are we building? I am not talking about the process of return and resettlement? Can the noble the healthcare centres and schools that we are repairing Baroness confirm that freedom of religion and the or the ones that we destroyed. Could she also tell us protection of minorities will be an important factor in how many academics and doctors have been killed or solving the displacement and refugee issues? have become refugees over the past five years and what effect that has had on civil society? Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, I am Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, the noble grateful to the noble Lord. I think that we all welcome Baroness knows that I cannot give her specific details the United Arab Emirates’ important write-off, which about any casualties, unfortunate and terrible though I read about yesterday. Hydrocarbons are very important they would be. My point was about the breadth of the indeed. The Bill has not yet gone through, but I Iraqi people’s ability to access high-quality services, completely agree with the noble Lord that it is important which were certainly unavailable under Saddam Hussein, for the future of oil in the region. Local non-governmental as is well recognised, and about the importance of organisations and other international organisations ensuring that, in a democratic Iraq, every Iraqi is able are important in looking at issues facing refugees to access high-quality services in health, education, returning to their homes in Iraq. Freedom of religion housing and all the areas that the noble Baroness and is very much part of the work of the Ministry of I would agree are very important. Human Rights in Iraq. Lord Hannay of Chiswick: My Lords, does the Lord Marlesford: My Lords, can the Leader of the Minister agree that the Statement indicates how far we House confirm that current coalition military operations are from cracking the problem of Iraq’s neighbours? in Iraq are being carried out with the authority of a Critical comments about Syria and Iran are undoubtedly Security Council resolution? Can she remind us what well deserved, and problems continue on the northern proportion of Britain’s £40 billion defence expenditure frontier with Turkey. Does this not demonstrate that is being spent on operations in Iraq? As we are carrying we will never have a stable situation in that region until out a disproportionately large amount of the military there is some multilateral framework in which Iraq operation in Iraq, does she regard it as reasonable that and all its neighbours participate and in which they Britain should also be paying the whole cost of that commit themselves to respect one another’s borders contribution? Are the Government doing anything to and sovereignty, not to interfere and to work together secure some sort of burden sharing with those on for economic development? That idea crops up from whose behalf we are carrying out our military operations? time to time and then invariably disappears like a I say that in the context of the financial cash-flow mirage. I have no doubt that some of the regional crisis that the Government face, which, as the Minister participants are responsible for the absence of progress, will probably recognise, could well result in government but is it not important to reinstate that idea, now that borrowing going up by £70 billion—that is, another things are going a bit better, as an important medium-term 5 per cent of GDP. objective that we should all pursue? Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, as the Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, I am not noble Lord knows, the Secretary-General’s announcement going to speculate about where government borrowing in September 2007, which led to the Iraqi neighbours might go. As the noble Lord will know, the defence conference in Istanbul on 2 and 3 November, was part budget is about £34 billion for 2008-09; I do not have of the process of trying to bring greater stability to the the breakdown of exactly what is being spent in any region. It is also important that within the region in current theatre of operation. We are certainly operating which we operate—the European Union—and with within the UN Security Council resolution. However, our role in the United Nations we work supportively as I indicated in the Statement, our ambition is to together to tackle some of the issues that the noble move to a bilateral agreement with the Iraqi Lord rightly refers to. That will be incredibly important Government—what I might describe as a more normal in next few months. arrangement between Britain and a state with which we are collaborating to deal with the issues that it Lord Sheikh: My Lords, would it not be best to faces. undertake an inquiry now, while the relevant people are still in power and the facts are fresh in our minds? Lord Williamson of Horton: My Lords, can the Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, no. noble Baroness give the House information on the current value and volume of oil exports from Iraq? Lord Hylton: My Lords, I welcome the positive What is the forecast for the following year? Iraq is an points in the Statement. Does the noble Baroness, like oil-rich state and the volume of resources available me, welcome yesterday’s write-off of loans to Iraq from oil determines the Government’s capacity to made by a prominent Gulf state? Can she give us any achieve an improvement in infrastructure and the good news on the progress of the hydrocarbons Bill standard of living. If she cannot answer today, perhaps before the Iraqi Parliament, which is important for the she could do so later in writing. This is a vital element. development of Iraq’s own resources and state revenue? We talk about the military, but not much about the Finally, the importance of the refugees’ return has huge potential resources in Iraq. 1687 Iraq[22 JULY 2008] Business 1688

Baroness Ashton of Upholland: My Lords, I agree Crossrail Bill with the noble Lord. Yesterday—I cannot find them The Bill was returned from the Commons with the now—I was reading the precise details of Iraqi oil amendments agreed to. production and projections for the future. The noble Lord is completely right that this is an oil-rich state with huge reserves of oil and great potential—hence the Royal Assent question asked by the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, about hydrocarbons legislation, which is an important The Lord Speaker (Baroness Hayman): My Lords, I element of that. We must work closely to ensure have to notify the House, in accordance with the Royal that we provide the technical support necessary to Assent Act 1967, that the Queen has signified her enable Iraq to exploit its oil reserves appropriately. Royal Assent to the following Acts: Housing and Regeneration Act, Crossrail Act. Baroness Royall of Blaisdon: My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now adjourn during pleasure until further notice. Business Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to. Baroness Royall of Blaisdon: My Lords, before I adjourn the House, I place on record on behalf of the [The Sitting was suspended from 1.48 to 6.50 pm.] whole House our heartfelt thanks to the staff of the House for their sterling work over the past few months, which have been challenging for us all. Without them we certainly could not have achieved what we have Housing and Regeneration Bill achieved. I wish all noble Lords and all the staff a The Bill was returned from the Commons with the happy Recess. amendments agreed to. House adjourned at 6.51 pm.

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Written Statements Full representatives Substitute representatives John Austin MP Rt. Hon Lord Anderson of Tuesday 22 July 2008 Swansea Mr Christopher Chope OBE Mr Tim Boswell MP MP Advisory Committee on Business Bill Etherington MP Mr James Clappison MP Appointments Paul Flynn MP Rt. Hon Ann Clwyd MP Mr Mike Hancock CBE MP Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas MP The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton Baroness Hooper Mr Nigel Dodds OBE MP of Upholland): My right honourable friend the Prime Baroness Knight of Collingtree Mr Nigel Evans MP Minister (Gordon Brown MP) has made the following OBE Statement. Chris McCafferty MP Baroness Gale Rt. Hon Lord McIntosh of Mr John Greenway MP I have today published the ninth report of the Haringey independentAdvisoryCommitteeonBusinessAppointments. Mr Humfrey Malins CBE MP Mr Oliver Heald MP The report provides an account of the work of the Mr Alan Meale MP Mr Doug Henderson MP committee in giving advice about appointments that Mr Edward O’Hara MP Mr Jim Hood MP Ministers and senior Crown servants wish to take up Lord Russell-Johnston Mr Bob Laxton MP after leaving office. The report covers the period 1 April Lord Tomlinson Rt. Hon Denis MacShane MP 2006 to 31 March 2008. Copies of the report have been Dr Rudi Vis MP Mr Khalid Mahmood MP placed in the Libraries of the House. I am grateful to Mr Robert Walter MP Mr Mark Oaten MP the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mayhew of Twysden, Mr David Wilshire MP Paul Rowen MP who was the chairman over this period, and to all the Mrs Betty Williams MP other members, for giving their time and expertise so freely. As the House has previously been informed, the business of this important committee has been managed Counterterrorism by Sir John Blelloch since the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mayhew, stepped down as chairman on health The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry grounds in March this year. I wish to thank him for of Defence (Baroness Taylor of Bolton): My right generously agreeing to extend his service further for honourable friend the Secretary of State for Defence this purpose. (Mr Des Browne) has made the following Written The Government intend to refresh the membership Ministerial Statement. of the committee over the coming months. I am pleased In July 2007, the Prime Minister asked my right that the noble Lord, Lord Wilson of Tillyorn, who is honourable friend the Member for East Kilbride, currently serving on the committee, has agreed to step Strathaven and Lesmahagow (Mr Ingram) to undertake into the role of chairman in this interim period. a detailed study into the role of the Ministry of Defence in counterterrorism and resilience. Mr Ingram has now submitted his report. British Council: Annual Report and His study provides a thorough analysis of the Ministry Accounts of Defence’s role and of the capabilities it brings to bear in support of the Government’s counterterrorism The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth strategy—CONTEST—and domestic resilience. It Office (Lord Malloch-Brown): My honourable friend reinforces a central theme of the national security the Minister for Europe (Mr Jim Murphy) has made strategy—that security threats and hazards are intertwined, the following Written Ministerial Statement. with no simple distinctions between defence and wider security and between domestic and overseas Copies of the British Council’s annual report and considerations. It endorses the direction in which the accounts for the 2007-08 financial year have been Government are moving the security agenda, and it placed in the Library. During that period, the British makes a number of recommendations as to how the Council received £189,462,000 grant in aid from the Ministry of Defence could further refine its support in Foreign and Commonwealth Office. these important areas. Given the sensitive nature of the study, its classification Council of Europe and Western European prevents its publication. The Government will respond to it once they have had the opportunity to consider Union the recommendations. The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton Courts Service: Key Performance of Upholland): My right honourable friend the Prime Minister (Gordon Brown) has made the following Indicators Statement in the House of Commons. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry The United Kingdom delegation to the Parliamentary of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): My honourable Assembly of the Council of Europe and the Assembly friend the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State of the Western European Union is as follows: (Maria Eagle) has made the following Written Ministerial Leader: Rt. Hon John Prescott MP Statement. WS 135 Written Statements[LORDS] Written Statements WS 136

The following list of key performance indicators witness. The General Medical Council (GMC) had has been set for Her Majesty’s Courts Service for started a hearing to examine allegations that Dr Southall 2008-09: had kept so-called special case (SC) files containing To commence 78 per cent of cases within the following original medical records relating to his patients that timescales in the Crown Court: were not also kept on the child’s official hospital file. These files relate to the period 1980-2000. Concerns defendants’ cases that are sent for trial within 26 weeks had been expressed that in some of those cases criminal of sending; proceedings may have been brought but the existence defendants’ committal for trial cases within 16 weeks of the files not revealed, resulting in their not being of committal; available for disclosure as part of the prosecution appeals within 14 weeks of the appeal; and process. committals for sentence within 10 weeks of committal. It was not clear at that stage whether there had been To speed up criminal cases in the magistrates’ courts any such failures to discharge disclosure obligations. so that, for charged cases, the average time from Lord Goldsmith decided to assess cases in which charge to disposal—less than six weeks. Dr Southall had been instructed as a prosecution Time taken to produce and send court results to the witness to determine whether he had kept a separate police (historical KPI): SC file, and if so to determine what further review might be required. 95 per cent court registers produced and dispatched within three working days; and The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) undertook 100 per cent court registers produced and dispatched that assessment, establishing a project board and a within six working days. review team under the leadership of a chief Crown prosecutor. The review team: To achieve an 85 per cent payment rate for financial penalties in the magistrates’ courts. identified criminal prosecutions to which individual For 60 per cent of all breached community penalties SC files could be linked; to be resolved within 25 working days of the relevant retrieved original prosecution files; failure to comply. reviewed the SC files against the contents of the To increase the proportion of defended small claims associated prosecution files to assess whether there that are completed otherwise than by court hearing to were any grounds for concern as to whether the 65 per cent. obligations of disclosure to the defence had been To increase the proportion of defended small claims fully discharged; and that are completed (from issue to final hearing) within reported their findings to the Attorney-General. 30 weeks to at least 70 per cent. Dr Southall provided all the SC files he held—a Increase the amount of civil work initiated online— total of 4,344 files—in accordance with his undertaking 55 per cent of eligible possession claims through PCOL to the GMC. Of the 4,344 SC files reviewed by the and 70 per cent of specified money claims through team, 82 were found to be linked to court proceedings MCOL. of some kind. Of those, 40 were established to have To ensure that 48 per cent of care and supervision been associated with a criminal prosecution conducted cases in the county court and 56 per cent in the in this jurisdiction. magistrates’ court are completed within 40 weeks. The review team then checked CPS records against To increase the proportion of residence and contact these 40 SC files and identified a total of seven CPS orders made by consent in the county courts (excluding prosecution files linked with a total of nine SC files. cases involving allegations of harm) to at least 37 per On reviewing these files in depth, the team found no cent in each HMCS area. grounds to suggest that there had been a failure to To increase the “very satisfied” element of the comply with the prosecution’s obligations of disclosure HMCS court user satisfaction survey from the 2007-08 to the defence. Accordingly the review team has advised, baseline. and the Attorney-General and I accept, that there is More information on these and other key supporting no reason to indicate that any of these cases needs to targets are published in the HM Courts Service business be referred to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. plan for 2008-09. Copies of the business plan for The ability of the review team to identify whether 2008-09 have been placed in the Libraries of both an SC file was linked with a prosecution, and then to Houses. Copies are also available in the Vote Office locate the original prosecution papers, was constrained and the Printed Paper Office. by a number of wholly practical factors. The team had to rely on the contents of the SC file for information Courts: Disclosure in Expert Evidence suggesting that there might be linked criminal proceedings. In some older cases where there was such a link, the prosecution file no longer existed because of the The Attorney-General (Baroness Scotland of Asthal): application of the normal procedures for file destruction My honourable friend the Solicitor-General (Vera Baird) within the CPS after set periods of time. Differences has made the following Written Ministerial Statement. between the methods of identifying SC files (which On 20 February 2007 the then Attorney-General, were linked to the patient) and CPS prosecution files Lord Goldsmith, announced a review of criminal (recorded by the name of the defendant) also made cases in which Dr David Southall had been a prosecution linking SC files to prosecution files difficult. WS 137 Written Statements[22 JULY 2008] Written Statements WS 138

None the less this review has been a valuable and I have today published a list of official receptions worthwhile exercise. The review team has approached hosted by Ministers at my department in the financial its task conscientiously and with care and thoroughness, year 2007-08. for which the Attorney-General and I thank them. The total cost of official receptions held by Ministers The report makes a number of recommendations at the department for Children, Schools and Families designed to reinforce the message that expert witnesses for the financial year 2007-08 was £9,000. must fully understand their responsibilities in relation to the disclosure of information in criminal cases. Official receptions hosted by ministers at the Department for Children, Schools These are explained in the CPS/ACPO Guidance Booklet and Families 2007-08 for Experts. The report’s recommendations have been Date Event Number Host accepted and are being taken forward. 24.07.07 Annual Summer 50 Secretary of State Recommendation 7 is that the Department of Health reception for media and Ministers and the Department for Children, Schools and Families stakeholders (DCSF) should consider whether to conduct a similar 25.07.07 Summer reception for 90 Secretary of State key departmental and Ministers review in relation to possible disclosure failings in stakeholders family court proceedings. The DCSF has now considered 16.01.08 New Year reception for 100 Secretary of State this recommendation—it agrees that there should be key departmental and Ministers such a review and that it is the appropriate department stakeholders 23.01.08 Winter reception for 50 Secretary of State to conduct it. The review will focus on the 82 SC files media stakeholders and Ministers which the review team found were linked to court 13.03.08 Short break amendment 25 Secretary of State proceedings of some kind. Thirty-six of these were to the Children and definitely linked to family proceedings. It is to be Young People Bill noted that if a disclosure failure were detected, this stakeholder reception 18.03.08 Diploma Gateway 2 60 Jim Knight may, or may not, have any impact on the case, bearing stakeholder reception in mind the passage of time and the fact that the welfare of the child is paramount in family proceedings. However, the DCSF will follow the recommendation of the review team and conduct a review of the family Education: National Curriculum Tests cases. The review team’s report and recommendations (edited to preserve the anonymity of individual patients) The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, have today been placed in the Libraries of both Houses. Department for Children, Schools and Families (Lord Adonis): My right honourable friend the Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families (Ed Balls) Debt: European Investment Bank Loans has made the following Written Ministerial Statement. Yesterday, I wrote to the chair of the DCSF Select Lord Tunnicliffe: I have instructed my department Committee to update him on the position with the to ask the European Investment Bank (EIB) to return return of national curriculum test results to schools, the relevant payments of the Lomé debt service directly placing a copy of the letter in the Libraries of both to heavily indebted poor countries (HIPC). It is estimated Houses. that the benefits of this decision will be approximately Further results have been released to schools by £27 million for 18 heavily indebted poor countries. ETS Europe this morning, taking the total of scripts The payments relate to the UK share of future debt marked and released to over 98 per cent of marks service payments on public sector loans signed by at key stage 2 and some 88 per cent in key stage 3 HIPCs before 2 December 2000 under the Lomé —94.1 per cent in maths, 93.4 per cent in science and conventions. 76.9 per cent in English. The UK share of the Lomé debt service on loans of The QCA confirmed in a statement over the weekend EDF money is received by DfID from the EIB. Part of that it is in discussions with ETS Europe following the this debt service relates to public sector loans signed unacceptable delays in delivering this year’s national before 2 December 2000 by HIPCs. DfID has made a curriculum test results. These discussions are highly decision to stop receiving this part of the debt service. sensitive—legally and financially—and, as I set out to All moneys previously received by DfID through the the House yesterday, it is very important that the QCA Lomé debt service have been used for international should be allowed to conclude them in a timely and development. orderly fashion in order to safeguard the interests of pupils, schools and taxpayers. Ministerial intervention, at this stage, would be totally inappropriate and would Department for Children, Schools and jeopardise the public interest. Families: Official Receptions I shall continue to update Parliament regularly over the coming weeks on progress with release of results The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, and Ofqual’s work on marking quality. I will write Department for Children, Schools and Families (Lord regularly with an update to the chair of the Select Adonis): My right honourable friend the Secretary of Committee, copying the letter to opposition spokespeople State for Children, Schools and Families (Ed Balls) and the Speaker and placing a copy of the letter in the has made the following Written Ministerial Statement. Libraries of both Houses. WS 139 Written Statements[LORDS] Written Statements WS 140

At the same time, and following my oral report to of origin and transit (the global approach). The presidency the Select Committee last week, Lord Sutherland has is seeking agreement on the pact in time for the started work on his independent inquiry and will be 15 October European Council. We support the strong collecting evidence in August and September before focus on immigration and asylum issues under the reporting publicly (when the House returns) in the French presidency and will use this as a basis for autumn. stronger practical co-operation in the EU. The Government are generally content with the pact but will continue to work with the presidency on the detail Energy: Nuclear Power Stations of the final document. There will follow a discussion on the directive on The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth the conditions of entry and residence of third-country Office & Department for Business, Enterprise and nationals for the purposes of highly qualified employment Regulatory Reform (Lord Jones of Birmingham): My (commonly known as the EU Blue Card), which aims right honourable friend the Secretary of State for to set admission conditions for highly skilled migrants. Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (John It also proposes to determine the conditions in which Hutton) has made the following Written Ministerial third-country nationals who are legally residing in a Statement. member state under the proposal may reside with their It was announced in the 2008 White Paper on family members in other member states. The French nuclear power that the Government would publish a presidency is aiming for political agreement at the public consultation on the strategic siting assessment September JHA Council. The UK has not opted into (SSA) process and criteria. this measure since it does not fit with the UK’s points- I have today issued a consultation document on the based system. SSA process and criteria. Alongside this, the Government The presidency is seeking an agreement to the directive are publishing a study of the environmental and providing for sanctions against employers of illegally sustainability effects of the siting of new nuclear power staying third-country nationals by member states. The stations in accordance with the proposed SSA criteria. UK chose not to opt into this directive as a result of The Government are seeking views from members of concerns in relation to the proposed definition of the public, industry, non-governmental organisations employer, a notification requirement and inspections. (NGOs) or any other organisation, body or individual However, the UK is seeking to influence discussions in with an interest. The Government are also publishing order to amend the text in a manner which would today a habitats regulations assessment screening report allow a review of our opt-in position post-adoption of and the environmental study appendices. the directive. This is a step towards the development of a new The council will be asked to agree conclusions on nuclear national policy statement. the taking-in of Iraqi refugees by member states. The The consultation will close on 11 November 2008. Government strongly agree that member states should Copies of the strategic siting assessment consultation be able to determine their own resettlement policies. document and the environmental study will be placed The UK will continue to resettle Iraqi refugees under in the Libraries of the House and are available together our established policies and selection criteria and does with the habitats regulations assessment screening report not consider common resettlement criteria to be feasible. and the appendices of the environmental study on the We support sharing good practice. website of the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform at www.berr.gov.uk/energy/ The presidency would like to reach a general approach nuclearwhitepaper/consultations/page44523.html. on the directive amending directive 2003/109/EC to extend its scope to beneficiaries of international protection. The UK has chosen not to opt into the proposed EU: Justice and Home Affairs Council directive as we believe it is not in line with our frontiers protocol. We want to determine the status of third- country nationals via the UK’s Immigration Rules. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): The Justice and The council then reverts to discussions on interior Home Affairs Council will be held on 24 and 25 July business, starting with the Mixed Committee with 2008 in Brussels. My honourable friend the Parliamentary Norway, Iceland and Switzerland. The presidency will Under-Secretary of State for the Ministry of Justice present a state of play report on the draft regulation (Bridget Prentice), my honourable friend the Parliamentary amending common consular instructions on visas for Under-Secretary of State for the Home Office (Meg diplomatic and consular posts in relation to the Hillier) and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice in Scotland introduction of biometrics. Although the United Kingdom (Kenny McAskill) will attend on behalf of the United does not participate in issuing Schengen visas, we Kingdom. As the provisional agenda stands, the following welcome the efforts of Schengen member states in items will be discussed. ensuring that the Schengen external EU borders are as secure as possible. The morning of the council will focus on asylum and immigration business, starting with a state of play The Commission will also update the council on report on the European Pact on Immigration and the state of play of the second-generation Schengen Asylum. The pact covers five areas: legal migration of Information System (SIS II). The presidency will also third-country nationals, illegal immigration and returns; look to agree the council regulation and council decision border controls; asylum; and partnership with countries on the migration of SISI+ to SIS II. WS 141 Written Statements[22 JULY 2008] Written Statements WS 142

Under any other business in Mixed Committee, the as a last resort, where eight or more states wish to Commission will present its communication on visa participate in something that falls within Community reciprocity. Although the United Kingdom does not competence but cannot be attained within a reasonable participate in the EU common visa policy, the United period. If it went ahead, it would be first use of Kingdom will continue to support the principle of enhanced co-operation. There is no expectation that reciprocity and extending the US visa waiver program the UK will participate and the Government do not to all EU member states. intend to do so. The presidency intends to present its proposed working method on the passenger name records framework Government: Cars decision to the council. Its approach will focus on seeking agreement on the key issues of the dossier, Lord Bassam of Brighton: My right honourable namely scope, the depth of harmonisation necessary, friend the Secretary of State for Transport (Ruth data protection and relations with third countries. Kelly) has made the following Ministerial Statement. The presidency will also suggest that there should be I am publishing today details of the number of and consultation with data protection authorities, the cost to departments of the provision of allocated cars European Parliament and carriers. The UK is in broad and drivers by the Government Car and Despatch agreement with this approach and welcomes the ambitious Agency to Ministers during 2007-08. programme of work outlined in the French proposal. The figures are: The presidency will present the final reports of the No. of Contracted Future Groups on Home Affairs and on Justice, which Department Cars Cost Notes aim to provide input to the new JHA work programme that will replace the Hague programme at the end of Department for Business, Enterprise 5 £345,400 1 & 2 2009. The Government see these reports as one element and Regulatory Reform Cabinet Office 7 £473,500 3 among several that should feed the debate on the Leader of the House of Commons, 4 £245,300 direction of the new work programme. the Government’s Equalities Office The presidency will propose taking forward work and the Leader of the House of Lords to improve co-operation in tackling cybercrime. The Office of the Chief Whips for the 1 £76,500 UK supports action in this area to promote co-operation Commons and the Lords Department for Communities and 6 £401,600 between private industry and public authorities, as Local Government well as between law enforcement. We will work with Department for Culture, Media and 3 £241,500 the presidency to develop its ideas. Sports On the morning of the second day, the council will Department for Children, Schools and 5 £346,800 Families move to justice issues. The presidency will seek political Department for Environment, Food 4 £267,800 agreement on the council decision on strengthening and Rural Affairs Eurojust. This instrument aims to improve the efficiency Department for International 4 £226,900 of Eurojust, including by giving national members a Development minimum set of powers and increasing the flow of Department for Transport 4 £272,700 information between national competent authorities Department for Innovation, 5 £248,000 and Eurojust. The Government are content with the Universities and Skills outcome of negotiations and believe the draft strikes a Department for Works and Pensions 6 £415,900 good balance. Foreign & Commonwealth Office 5 £355,700 The French presidency will also seek political agreement Department of Health 6 £393,700 on the council decision amending the European judicial HM Treasury 5 £341,900 network. This instrument is intended to update and Home Office 6 £477,000 4 replace the 1998 joint action which established the Law Officers’ Department 2 £138,400 European judicial network and take account of subsequent developments in EU judicial co-operation, including Ministry of Justice 4 £307,900 the establishment of Eurojust in 2002. The Government Northern Ireland Office 2 £291,500 are generally content with what is proposed. Scotland Office 1 £66,200 The presidency will present a proposal for a council Wales Office 2 £85,400 decision on the establishment of the European criminal records information system (ECRIS). There will be Notes: a policy debate on this measure which aims to find a 1. The Minister of State for Trade, Investment and Foreign standardised format for exchange of the content of a Affairs was a post held jointly between the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) and the Department for Business, conviction, as well as other general and technical Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (BERR). The Government implementation aspects of the information exchange. Car Service (GCS) costs were met by BERR. The Government strongly support this measure in so 2. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Trade and far as it aims to improve and speed up the arrangements Consumer Affairs was a post held jointly between the for exchanging information on past convictions. Department for International Development (DfID) and BERR. There will be a policy debate about the Rome III The GCS costs were met by DfID. 3. Cabinet Office figures include cars for Ministers in the Cabinet regulation (choice of law in divorce). The UK did not Office, the Prime Minister’s Office and the Minister for the opt into the negotiations on this proposal. Member Olympics. states have been unable to reach agreement on the 4. The Minister of State for Borders and Immigration was a post measure, and some now wish to proceed by way of held jointly between the Home Office and HM Treasury. The enhanced co-operation. The treaty provides for this, GCS costs were met by the Home Office. WS 143 Written Statements[LORDS] Written Statements WS 144

Health: Teenage Pregnancy I am grateful to Sir Christopher, Sir Paul and Sir Peter, and to their support staff, for their work on these thorough reports. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Children, Schools and Families (Lord Adonis): Today my right honourable friend the Minister Legal Services Commission for Children, Young People and Families (Beverley Hughes) has made the following Written Ministerial The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry Statement. of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): I am pleased to I inform the House that the Independent Advisory announce that following fair and open competition, Group on Teenage Pregnancy has published its annual regulated by the Office of the Commissioner for Public report for 2007-08. Copies will be placed in the House Appointments, my right honourable friend the Lord Libraries. Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice (Jack Straw) has appointed Sir Bill Callaghan to the position Intelligence: Commissioners’ Annual of chair of the Legal Services Commission (LSC). Reports Sir Bill’s appointment will take effect from 1 September 2008, and for a term of three years. He will chair the The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton 12-member commission, which oversees the strategic of Upholland): My right honourable friend the Prime direction of the LSC—the body responsible for legal Minister (Gordon Brown MP) has made the following aid in England and Wales. Statement. I have today laid before both Houses the annual Ministerial Gifts reports of the Chief Surveillance Commissioner, the right honourable Sir Christopher Rose (HC 659), of the Interception of Communications Commissioner, The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton the right honourable Sir Paul Kennedy (HC 947) and of Upholland): My right honourable friend the Prime of the Intelligence Services Commissioner, the right Minister (Gordon Brown MP) has made the following honourable Sir Peter Gibson (HC 948). Statement in the House of Commons. The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 I have today published lists of gifts given and gifts (RIPA) established the regulatory framework for the received by Ministers. Both lists provide details of use of a wide range of investigatory techniques. It sets gifts valued at more than £140 for the period 1 April out the purposes for which the powers can be used, the 2007 to 31 March 2008. Copies of the lists have been public authorities that can use them, the authorisation placed in the Libraries of the House. procedures that they must follow and the use that can be made of the material obtained. It also provides for Ministerial Travel 2007-08 an appropriate oversight regime and a means of redress through the independent Investigatory Powers Tribunal. The reports that I have laid before Parliament today The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton set out how the RIPA investigatory powers have been of Upholland): My right honourable friend, the Prime used during the periods covered. Minister (Gordon Brown) has made the following Statement in the House of Commons. The Government continue to believe that the existing system of authorisations, inspections and other safeguards I am today publishing a list of all visits overseas set out in RIPA is appropriate, and welcome the undertaken by Ministers costing £500 or more during valuable oversight role discharged by the commissioners the period 1 April 2007 to 31 March 2008, which has appointed under the RIPA. The independent oversight been placed in the Libraries of the House. The list that they provide is vital in ensuring that the various provides details of the date, destination and purpose powers are used appropriately and only when necessary of all such visits and the cost of Ministers’ travel and and proportionate. accommodation where appropriate. The Interception Commissioner’s report notes that Total expenditure on Ministerial overseas visits for the Investigatory Powers Tribunal reached determinations the last three financial years is set out in the table on 83 cases during the period covered. The tribunal below: did not uphold any complaints during this period. A great deal has been done already to improve public Year Expenditure (£ million) authorities’ awareness of the obligations placed on 2005-06 6.1 them, and to ensure that proper consideration is given 2006-07 6.95 to necessity and proportionality. We recognise, however, 2007-08 5.3 that there is always more that can be done. The Government are reviewing those public authorities that have access to these powers to ensure that they National Security Strategy have a continuing and justifiable requirement for them. On completion, the Government will list the authorities that can use each of the powers and the purposes for The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton which they can use them, and set out revised statutory of Upholland): My right honourable friend the Prime codes of practice, which Parliament will have the Minister (Gordon Brown MP) has made the following opportunity to debate. Written Ministerial Statement. WS 145 Written Statements[22 JULY 2008] Written Statements WS 146

On 19 March, I published the United Kingdom’s different risks that may directly affect the UK”. We first ever National Security Strategy. It set out how we will be writing shortly to the chairs of the relevant proposed to address and manage an increasingly diverse Select Committees with our National Risk Register but interconnected set of security challenges and some and placing copies in the library of the House. Its of their underlying factors including climate change, purpose is specifically to give the public information competition for energy, poverty and globalisation. The about risks to the UK from natural disasters, accidents aim is to safeguard the nation, its citizens, our prosperity and malicious threats over the next five years so that and our way of life, against a constantly changing those who wish to can prepare for the consequences. security environment. I want to update the House on The National Risk Register will be a key tool in the arrangements for support to the National Security development of community resilience networks, another Committee and proposals for parliamentary oversight National Security Strategy deliverable, which the Cabinet of the delivery of the strategy. Office will be taking forward in the coming months As envisaged in the National Security Strategy, the and is the next step in improving the UK’s resilience. Government will be establishing a National Security Forum. We want to promote a constructive and informed dialogue with experts, stakeholders and the public to Prison Service Pay Review Body understand the security challenges we face and how we need to tackle them. The forum will have a core The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry group of 12 publicly appointed members reflecting the of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): My right broad range of the subject areas in the National Security honourable friend the Minister of State (David Hanson) Strategy. It is likely to include people with a range of has made the following Written Ministerial Statement. experience and expertise in these issues; and, in addition I am pleased to announce that my right honourable to this core group, we will create a register of up to 100 friend the Prime Minister has appointed Mr David expert associates who could be called upon to provide Lebrecht for three years as a member of the Prison advice in specific areas. The purpose of the forum will Service Pay Review Body, commencing June 2008. My be to provide expert advice to the National Security right honourable friend the Prime Minister has also Committee (Cabinet Committee on National Security, reappointed Dr Peter Riach for a second term, lasting International Relations and Development (NSID)). It two years, as a member of the Prison Service Pay will be invited to focus on the published strategy to Review Body, commencing 1 March 2008. Both inform the annual updates, although it will be able to appointment and reappointment have been conducted commission its own research subject to agreement of in accordance with the Office of the Commissioner for its programme by NSID. Public Appointments guidance on appointments to In advance of setting up the forum as a non- public bodies. departmental public body, I will be establishing an interim forum in the early autumn. For the interim forum only, the Government will appoint its members, Questions for Written Answer on advice from the Cabinet Office. Though an interim body, it will begin substantive work immediately. The Lord Bassam of Brighton: I regret to inform the chair of the interim body will be announced shortly. House that the Written Answer I gave on 24 June to a The National Security Forum will be supported by a Parliamentary Question, (Official Report, col. WA217), new National Security Secretariat in the Cabinet Office. about the number of occasions that Ministers and Alongside that, a Horizon Scanning Unit will be Department for Transport officials have met with established which will co-ordinate the security-related BAA Ltd referred only to the period from January horizon scanning currently undertaken in a number of 2008 to June 2008. government departments, with the intention of giving This occurred as a result of an administration error. it an overarching framework and a more coherent As soon as officials were made aware of the complete output. Question, they provided a correct response. It is important that we have the right form of The Answer should read: parliamentary oversight of the National Security Strategy and its delivery. There are already a number of Select Ministers from the Department for Transport have Committees, and the Intelligence and Security Committee, met with BAA Ltd on 14 occasions since January who have an interest in the development and 2006. Department for Transport officials meet regularly implementation of the National Security Strategy; with BAA representatives to discuss matters relating and any new arrangement should not duplicate their to air transport. existing scrutiny work. I propose therefore to consult the parliamentary authorities and the Opposition through the usual channels about the establishment and terms Regional Development Agencies: Annual of reference of a joint committee on the National Reports and Accounts Security Strategy, comprising the chairs of the key departmental Select Committees with an interest in The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth national security, and other Members of Parliament Office & Department for Business, Enterprise and and Peers with particular interests or experience. Regulatory Reform (Lord Jones of Birmingham): My In March, I said that the Government would publish honourable friend the Minister of State for Employment a “national level risk register setting out our assessment Relations and Postal Affairs (Pat McFadden) has made of the likelihood and potential impact of a range of the following Written Ministerial Statement. WS 147 Written Statements[LORDS] Written Statements WS 148

I have today laid before Parliament the annual housing provision figure for Northampton is replaced reports and accounts for 2007-08 for the eight regional following a successful legal challenge (in 2006) which development agencies (RDAs) outside of London. quashed the original figure; Copies have been placed in the Libraries of the House. reduction in housing provision in Lincolnshire The annual report and accounts for the London coastal districts (East Lindsey, Boston and South Development Agency are presented to the Mayor of Holland) pending a coastal strategy being agreed London rather than to Parliament. I shall provide a which will consider growth needs and flood-risk copy to the House Library when these are available. implications; Also published today are the RDAs’ reported outputs a new policy relating to affordable housing in rural for 2007-08. These results are evidence that the RDAs areas has been added and increased pitch requirements continue to play a valuable role in improving the for Gypsies and Travellers are proposed; economic performance of the English regions and, rejection of the panel’s recommendation to delete through working with their partners, the RDAs are green-belt areas around Nottingham; and making a real difference to the individual regional economies concerned. The figures cover the number removal of site-specific references to major development of jobs created and safeguarded, the number of people sites around Nottingham, Leicester and Lincoln. assisted to get a job, the amount of brownfield land I have today written to the East Midlands Regional brought back into use, the number of businesses created, Assembly with the proposed changes, which will be the number of businesses assisted to improve their published today on the Government Office for the performance, the number of people assisted in their East Midlands website at www.goem.gov.uk and skills development and the amount of public and distributed to interested people and organisations across private sector regeneration infrastructure investment the region. There will now be a public consultation levered, all as a result of RDA activity. period of 12 weeks on the proposed changes, which Press releases on the outputs have been issued in will end on 17 October. Copies of the relevant documents each region. Copies of the output results have been will be placed in the Library of the House and will be placed in the House Library, and are available on the sent to all of the region’s MPs, MEPs and local website of the Department for Business, Enterprise authorities. and Regulatory Reform at www.berr.gov.uk/regional/ regional-dev-agencies/rda-performance/ page46979.html. Regional Spatial Strategy for the South-west Regional Spatial Strategy for the East Midlands The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Communities and Local Government The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, (Baroness Andrews): My honourable friend the Department for Communities and Local Government Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State (Iain Wright) (Baroness Andrews): My honourable friend the has made the following Written Ministerial Statement. Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State (Parmjit Dhanda) My right honourable friend the Secretary of State has made the following Written Ministerial Statement. for Communities is today publishing proposed changes The Secretary of State for Communities and Local to the draft revisions of the regional spatial strategy Government is today publishing proposed changes to for the south-west. the regional spatial strategy (RSS) for the east Midlands The regional spatial strategy forms part of the (the east Midlands plan). They follow the public statutory development plan for every local authority examination held between May and July 2007 and the in the south-west and sets the framework for the panel report published on 28 November 2007. production of local development frameworks and local The panel report endorsed the strategy set out in transport plans. It provides the spatial plan for the the draft RSS, but made numerous recommendations development of the region, and provides the policy to clarify and improve it. The Secretary of State has framework for employment, housing, transport and considered all the panel’s recommendations, along the environment. with other relevant evidence, together with updates to The current strategy, initially published as regional the sustainability appraisal and a habitats regulations planning guidance, became the regional spatial strategy assessment. The main changes proposed are: in September 2004 with the enactment of the Planning increased housing growth across the region to and Compulsory Purchase Act. A draft revision of the 21,750 per year for the period 2006-26. Much of regional spatial strategy was submitted to the Government the additional growth is proposed in and around in April 2006 by the South West Regional Assembly. It the main cities of Derby, Leicester and Nottingham, was subsequently tested in an examination in public recognising growth related to growth point agreements (EIP) between April and July 2007 and the report of in those cities and surrounding areas (the three the independent panel which conducted this examination cities growth point) and in other growth point was published in January this year. The Secretary of agreements at Lincoln, Newark and Grantham; State has considered the recommendations of the no change to growth area plans in Northamptonshire, independent panel which held the EIP and has taken which were set in the Milton Keynes and south into account the representations made on the draft Midlands sub-regional strategy in 2005, though the revision, and changes in government policy since the plan period for the area is extended to 2026 and the draft revision was submitted. WS 149 Written Statements[22 JULY 2008] Written Statements WS 150

Today’s publication of the Secretary of State’s proposed Appointing Minister Special Adviser in post changes now represents the commencement of a public consultation of 12 weeks. Also being published are the Cabinet Office Minister and Chancellor of Polly Billington report of a sustainability appraisal of the proposed the Duchy of Lancaster changes and a habitats regulations assessment. Following Tom Restrick consideration of the responses to the consultation, the Chief Whip (Commons) and Parliamentary Michael Dugher Secretary of State expects to publish the finalised Secretary to the Treasury regional spatial strategy for the south-west by the end Emma Reynolds of the year. On final publication, it will supersede the Chief Whip (Lords) Ben Coffman Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise John Williams current RSS. and Regulatory Reform In writing to the regional assembly to give notice of John Woodcock the publication of proposed changes, I have drawn Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Francine Bates particular attention to the need for further work by Families both the region and the Government on the infrastructure Alex Belardinelli required to deliver the strategy. Copies of the relevant Secretary of State for Communities and Andrew Bagnall documents have been placed in the Library of the Local Government House and have been provided for all of the region’s Paul Richards MPs, MEPs and local authorities. Minister of State (Housing) Claire McCarthy Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Jennifer Gerber Sport Philip French Special Advisers Secretary of State for Defence Alaina Macdonald John McTernan The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton Secretary of State for Environment, Food Mike Dixon and Rural Affairs of Upholland): Listed below are the names of special Beatrice Stern advisers in post at 22 July 2008, the special advisers’ Secretary of State for Foreign and Madlin Sadler (job share) pay ranges for 2008-09, the number of special advisers Commonwealth Affairs in each pay band by department and the total pay bill Sarah Schaefer (job share) cost of special advisers for 2007-2008. Secretary of State for Health Clare Montagu All special advisers are appointed under terms and Mario Dunn conditions set out in the Model Contract and Code of Secretary of State for the Home Department Sue Jackson Conduct for Special Advisers to provide assistance on Andrew Lappin the full range of their appointing Minister’s departmental Leader of the House of Commons, Lord Ayesha Hazarika responsibilities. Privy Seal and Minister for Women and Equality Appointing Minister Special Adviser in post Anna Healey

The Prime Minister Greg Beales Leader of the House of Lords, and Lord Philip Bassett President of the Council Theo Bertram Jonathan Pearse Nicola Burdett Secretary of State for Innovation, Josie Cluer Stephen Carter Universities and Skills Konrad Caulkett (p-t) Andy Westwood Matt Cavanagh Secretary of State for International Anthony Vigor Development Dan Corry Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Mark Davies Colin Currie (p-t) Justice Jo Dipple Declan McHugh Justin Forsyth Secretary of State for Northern Ireland Sebastian Dance Oonagh Blackman Michael Jacobs Secretary of State for Scotland Tom Greatrex Gavin Kelly Secretary of State for Transport Julie Crowley Richard Lloyd David Leam Patrick Loughran Chancellor of the Exchequer1 Sam White Damian McBride Catherine Macleod Jennifer Moses (unpaid) Chief Secretary Will McDonald David Muir Secretary of State for Wales Andrew Bold Geoffrey Norris Secretary of State for Work and Pensions Blair McDougall Lisa Tremble Sue Nye (p-t) Minister of State (Employment and Welfare Graham Dale Nick Pearce Reform) Lisa Perrin Minister for the Olympics and London Mandy Telford (Paymaster General) Paul Sinclair Nick Stace 1 In addition, the Chancellor of the Exchequer has appointed Stewart Wood Andrew Maugham, David Pinto-Duschinsky and Geoffrey Spence to the Council of Economic Advisers. WS 151 Written Statements[LORDS] Written Statements WS 152

The pay bands and pay ranges for special advisers Terrorism: Hazardous Substances for 2008-09 are as follows: Pay bands for 2008-09 The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord West of Spithead): My right honourable Scheme Ceiling £140,560 friend the Minster for Security, Counterterrorism, Crime Pay Band 4 £87,65—£105,285 and Policing (Tony McNulty) has made the following Pay Band 3 £65,529—£101,737 Written Ministerial Statement. Pay Band 2 £51,443—£68,242 Pay Band 1 £39,756—£53,321 My right honourable friend the Prime Minister announced in his Statement on 14 November 2007 a review of what more we need to do to strengthen At 22 July 2008 there were 73 special advisers in security to protect against the use of hazardous substances post. The number of special advisers in each pay band for terrorist purposes. This review has been completed. by department is as follows: I do not intend to publish it, because I do not wish in any way to compromise our security. However, this Pay Statement provides a summary of the main conclusions Department band of the review. Up to Scheme 1234 Ceiling The review shows that a substantial amount of work has been undertaken in this area. It also identifies Advisers by Pay Band areas where further improvements could be made but 1 No.10 3511 4recognises that we must ensure that protective security Cabinet Office (Includes 12 measures are proportionate to the risk. We need to Minister for the Olympics and London, Paymaster- ensure that individuals and businesses are free to carry General) on normal social, economic and democratic activities Chief Whips’ Offices 111 and, as a result, there will always be some vulnerability (Commons and Lords) to the use of hazardous substances for terrorist purposes. Business, Enterprise and 11 Regulatory Reform First, it is important to underline that considerable Children, Schools and 11 progress has already been made in recent years to Families reduce our vulnerability to the use of hazardous substances Communities and Local 111 for terrorist purposes. The National Counter Terrorism Government (Includes Minister of State for Security Office (NaCTSO) provides specialist advice Housing) regarding the security of a variety of hazardous substances. Culture, Media and Sport 1 1 It has undertaken a range of activities to reduce the Defence 1 1 vulnerability of hazardous substances. These include Environment, Food and 11 “Know YourCustomer” campaigns, to raise awareness Rural Affairs about the “dual-use” nature of certain products and Foreign and 2 encouraging suppliers to be more inquiring of new Commonwealth Office customers and to report suspicious enquiries to police. Health 2 NaCTSO has also played an important role in overseeing Home Office 2 local police counterterrorism security advisers who Leader of the House of 11 Commons, Lord Privy Seal implement Part 7 of the Anti-Terrorism, Crime and and Minister for Women Security Act 2001, which provides the police with and Equality powers to impose security measures at laboratories Leader of the House of 11 Lords, and Lord President that hold certain dangerous pathogens and toxins. of the Council The Centre for the Protection of National Innovation, Universities 11 Infrastructure (CPNI) is the government authority on and Skills protective security in relation to national security threats. International Development 1 The CPNI works with NaCTSO to advise businesses Justice (Lord Chancellor) 1 1 and organisations on the security of hazardous substances Northern Ireland Office 1 1 and sites. Scotland Office 1 Transport 2 The Environment Agency has managed a government- HM Treasury2 132 subsidised programme that has disposed of more than Wales Office 1 9,000 disused radioactive sources from hospitals, Work and Pensions 111 universities, museums, schools and other sites across (including Minister of State the UK. The Environment Agency, and its sister agencies for Employment and in Scotland and Northern Ireland, working in partnership Welfare Reform) with NaCTSO, are also regulating the security of Total: 16 23 28 1 4 radioactive sources used at hospitals, universities and industrial sites throughout the UK. This review did Paybill costs—The paybill for special advisers in not cover those nuclear or radiological materials used 2007-08 was £5.9 million3. in the civil nuclear sector, as they fall under the specific 1 Plus one unpaid adviser regulatory regime led by the Office for Civil Nuclear 2 Includes the three members of the Council of Economic Security. Advisers who are employed on special adviser terms The Transport Security and Contingencies Directorate 3 This figure includes salary, severance pay and estimate of of the Department for Transport (Transec) enforces a pension costs. statutory regime for the security of dangerous goods WS 153 Written Statements[22 JULY 2008] Written Statements WS 154 in transit. The Department for Transport’s Vehicle We are also considering what further work may be and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) carries out appropriate to reduce the vulnerability of hazardous inspections of vehicles at the roadside, and of road sites and substances to insider action. This will build depots, on behalf of Transec. Transec’s own inspectors on existing work led by the Centre for the Protection carry out compliance activity for the movement of of National Infrastructure and take account of the dangerous goods by rail in the UK. findings of the independent review of personnel security in the transport sector by Stephen Boys Smith. The Government also welcome the steps that industry has been taking, through a knowledge of its customers In taking forward this work, the Government recognise and through codes of conduct, to help reduce the the importance of engaging fully with industry and chances of abuse of hazardous substances. For instance, academia. In particular, we are committed to working the UK Fertiliser Industry has developed, at the request with them to identify proportionate, risk-based measures. of the UK Government, the Fertiliser Industry Assurance Equally important is the need to work with international Scheme (FIAS). partners to reduce the risk of terrorists acquiring hazardous substances. For example, we are currently The main outcome of the review is a new risk-based working with our European partners to reduce the strategic framework to drive prioritisation of work to availability of high-grade ammonium nitrate fertiliser. reduce the accessibility of hazardous substances for Taken together, the various recommendations of terrorist purposes. This will enable work to focus on the review will further reduce the risk of terrorists reducing the accessibility of hazardous substances obtaining hazardous substances and will increase the considered to be at highest risk, taking account of the likelihood that those attempting to access such materials need for a proportionate, cost-effective and practical will be detected. response. This will allow us to target resources where most needed and to improve the security of hazardous substances even further. Transport: Personnel The framework will direct a cross-government programme of work to reduce the vulnerability of Lord Bassam of Brighton: My right honourable highest risk substances. This programme will be delivered friend the Secretary of State for Transport (Ruth under the “protect” strand of the Government’s Kelly) has made the following Ministerial Statement. counterterrorism strategy (CONTEST) and will be led by the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism in Last December I commissioned an independent the Home Office. review of personnel security across the transport sector. This followed Lord West’s review last year which This framework has prioritised hazardous substances focused on physical infrastructure and confirmed that, on the basis of the risk that they pose, taking account although it is impossible to eliminate every risk, a of the threat, vulnerability and impact of those substances. robust transport security regime is in place. The review The review examined the vulnerability of substances of personnel security was conducted by Stephen Boys across their life cycle, from their precursors through to Smith who has now delivered his report. It contains a their disposal. detailed assessment of current security processes and We are reviewing the pathogens and toxins listed recommendations of where changes might be needed. under Schedule 5 to the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Because of the sensitive nature of the subject matter, it Security Act 2001 with the assistance of the Health is not appropriate to publish it in full, but I have Protection Agency. We are also considering whether published a short summary of the report, and of its further legislative changes are required to clarify the key recommendations. scope of the application of the legislation and will The Government and the transport industries are consult on any proposed changes in due course as committed to countering the threat from terrorism. appropriate. The existing security regime encompasses a wide range of measures which seek to reduce the potential threat Another example of specific work under way as a from insiders. These measures include both personnel result of the review is a joint Department for Transport/ security measures, such as background checks, and Home Office project, which has been established to physical security measures, such as the searching and agree an impact-based list of substances of most screening requirements. Many of these physical security concern, to inform our assessment of the risk and to measures apply to industry staff as well as passengers. identify areas for further reduction of the vulnerability For instance, the UK requires airports to screen 100 per of these substances throughout the supply chain, including cent of staff working in the restricted zone, and has transportation. played a leading role in ensuring that this approach We will continue to reduce the risks from the illicit has been incorporated into European regulations, as transportation of hazardous substances at the UK well as promoting it elsewhere. border. We will build upon existing initiatives such as Stephen Boys Smith’s report acknowledges the Programme Cyclamen, which provides radiation-screening effectiveness of the UK transport security regime, capability at UK points of entry to prevent the illicit which overlaps multiple layers of security measures in importation of radiological substances, and we will this way. But the report also points out that the more use the strategic framework to inform counterterrorism effectively the security regime mitigates external threats, requirements at the UK border, in conjunction with the more likely it becomes that terrorists will look for the UK Border Agency, the national co-ordinator of vulnerabilities elsewhere. I therefore agree with the key ports policing and other stakeholders. message of the report: that there should be an increased WS 155 Written Statements[LORDS] Written Statements WS 156 focus on personnel security and that this should be While checks of this kind are primarily intended to informed by systematic analysis of the risks. This is reduce crime, they can also provide a useful additional consistent with work already in hand within the check on an applicant’s integrity as part of the overall Government’s counterterrorism strategy, CONTEST, personnel security regime. I have therefore asked my where personnel security is one of the work streams. department to produce clear guidance, building on the The most important challenge will be to integrate approach taken by the SIA, to support those organisations fully a risk-based approach to personnel security into whose risk assessments identify posts for which checks industry practices. This clearly cannot be delivered by of this kind are necessary. Wherever such posts are the Government alone. Only the industry has the identified, I expect the industry to take rapid action, detailed knowledge of its operations and systems that and my department will be engaging closely with them is needed accurately to identify the specific personnel over the coming months to ensure that this is the case. security risks that it faces and how they might be Alongside this voluntary approach, which extends mitigated. But the Government have a vital role to existing good practice in the industry, I believe there is play in raising awareness of personnel security issues also a case for introducing a mandatory requirement within the industry, providing guidance and support for those posts which present the highest risks, such as to the industry, and ensuring that full and rigorous those with specific security responsibilities (and which assessments are carried out and that appropriate action are already subject to a counterterrorism check). However, is taken where vulnerabilities are identified. before such a requirement can be put in place, there For this reason, I have asked my department to remain a number of legal and practical challenges to ensure with immediate effect that industry’s attention be overcome. These including identifying an effective is drawn to the advice which is already available (for means of dealing with the variability of international example, that issued by the Centre for the Protection criminal records systems and documentation, and of National Infrastructure), and to enhance the personnel developing an approach which does not have undue security elements of our existing training programmes. implications for the ongoing efficiency and security of Alongside this, my officials will urgently work up industry operations. policy options over the summer for a cross-industry I have therefore asked my department to begin conference, to be held in the autumn. This conference immediate discussions with employers and employees will identify the most effective approaches to embedding in the industry to agree a workable and effective risk assessment in the personnel security regime. The approach to introducing such a requirement, with a next phase will be for government and industry to view to implementation by the end of the year. In line work together, including through ongoing working with Stephen Boys Smith’s recommendation, I expect groups such as the National Aviation Security Committee, this to apply to new applicants for these posts, as to ensure that the necessary risk assessments are carried employers can assess the integrity of existing employees out and a clear programme of work delivered. This in other, more effective ways. will require sustained effort by all. Over the longer term, as the exchange of information I agree with the report’s view that identity is a key between countries becomes more efficient, it may be factor in personnel security regimes and note its conclusion appropriate to extend this requirement to other posts. that ID cards are a useful addition to identity assurance. I note here also the Statement made on 16 July by my This endorses the announcement by my right honourable right honourable friend the Home Secretary about Sir friend the Home Secretary on 6 March that ID cards Ian Magee’s review of criminality and the potential will be part of the identity assurance regime for airside for overseas information to be more readily available workers, starting in 2009. Officials from the Home to UK criminal record offices. Office and my department are currently in discussion Finally, I agree with the view that while there should with the industry about how best to do this. be some rebalancing of priorities between physical I also accept the report’s advice that, in the light of and personnel security activity, this should not result experience both in the Security Industry Association in a weakening of physical security programmes. (SIA) and within some sectors of the transport industry, Copies of the report summary and recommendations overseas criminal record checks are now a more have been laid in the Libraries of both Houses and will viable option than they have been in the past. appear on the department’s website. WA 227 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 228

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Written Answers Office (Lord West of Spithead): Currently, one serving UK civilian police officer and nine retired officers are Tuesday 22 July 2008 seconded to the EU Police Mission in Afghanistan. An additional four officers, three serving and one retired, will take up posts in the mission later this Abortion month.

Lord Alton of Liverpool asked Her Majesty’s Afghanistan: Refugees Government: Baroness Northover asked Her Majesty’s Government: Further to the Written Answer by Lord Darzi of Denham on 3 July (WA 49), what was the total cost What is their reaction to the recent closure of the to taxpayers for provision of in vitro fertilisation by Afghan Jalozai refugee camp in Pakistan’s north-west primary care trusts following publication of the province, and the return of 53,000 of its residents to February 2004 National Institute for Health and Afghanistan. [HL4441] Clinical Excellence guidelines; and what was the total monetary cost of abortions funded by the Lord Tunnicliffe: The policy of refugee camp closure National Health Service over each successive year in Pakistan is endorsed by the Government of Pakistan from 2004 to 2007, together with the proportion of and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees the latter annual sum that was required to cover the (UNHCR). Residents of the Jalozai camp who chose cost of abortions taking place in the independent to return to Afghanistan will have had the opportunity sector under NHS contract in each year. [HL4925] to do so under the auspices of the UNHCR voluntary repatriation programme. This programme provides an assisted repatriation package of $100 to all returnees. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, DfID and the British High Commission in Islamabad Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): maintain close contact with UNHCR. Information on the total cost of the provision of in vitro fertilisation treatment by primary care trusts (PCTs) following the publication of the guideline by Africa: Agricultural Input Subsidies the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence in 2004 is not collected centrally. Lord Avebury asked Her Majesty’s Government: Costs to the National Health Service for abortions Whether, in the light of the Agricultural Input performed in NHS hospitals are set out in the following Subsidy Programme in Malawi, they will consider table. The department does not hold complete data on offering assistance for similar initiatives in other the cost to the NHS for abortions performed in the sub-Saharan African states. [HL3092] independent sector under NHS contract. Lord Tunnicliffe: The Department for International National total cost of medical and surgical Development (DfID) supports a programme with terminations undertaken by NHS organisations the World Bank under the African Union’s (AU) Year (Schedule 4 of national reference costs) Comprehensive Africa Agricultural Development 2006-07 £62,886,000 Programme (CAADP) that is looking at ways to get 2005-06 £78,588,000 both fertilizer and maize markets in Africa working more efficiently. The programme will promote the 2004-05 £67,637,000 lessons in one country, such as Malawi’s experience Source: Schedule 4 (NHS trusts and PCTs combined) of the with support to its fertilizer markets, more widely in national schedule of reference costs notes: the region. DfID also provides core-funding support 1. The figures in the table above represent the number of finished to the Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa consultant episodes multiplied by the national average unit cost. (AGRA). AGRA’s programme includes a $160 million 2. National average unit costs are calculated on a weighted basis. soils health initiative. 3. Schedule 4 2006-07 data are not directly comparable to DfID support to the agricultural sector in Malawi 2005-06 and 2004-05 due to a change in the data collection. was agreed within the context of the country programme, 4. Figures have not been adjusted for the market forces factor. managed by our office in Lilongwe and agreed with 5. The data collection for 2007-08 is due to start in September the Government of Malawi. Whether this experience 2008. is replicated in other country programmes would depend on the strategic priorities of the Government and the DfID programme in question. Afghanistan: EU Police Mission Airports: Public Transport

Lord Pearson of Rannoch asked Her Majesty’s Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: Government: How many and what proportion of air passengers Whether any British police officers are serving travelled to (a) Heathrow Airport, (b) Gatwick with the European Union Police Mission in Airport, and (c) Luton Airport by public transport Afghanistan; and, if so, how many. [HL4770] in each of the past 10 years. [HL5073] WA 229 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 230

Lord Bassam of Brighton: The tables below show the Section 106 of the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security number and proportion of air passengers who travelled Act 2001; and what has been the total annual value to or from Heathrow Airport, Gatwick Airport and of such grants in each year since 2001. [HL4469] Luton Airport by public transport in each of the past 10 years. Figures for Luton Airport are for 1996 and The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home 2000 to 2007 as no survey was conducted 1997 to 1999. Office (Lord West of Spithead): Payments under Section 106 of the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 Table 1: Air passengers who travelled to or from Heathrow Airport by public transport (rail, bus/coach, or tube)1 (ATCSA) commenced after the code of practice for Public transport Total passengers the retention of communications data was approved Public Transport (million) (million) by Parliament in 2003, the first payments being in financial year 2004. In October 2007, the Data Retention 1998 32 13.0 40.6 (EC Directive) Regulations 2007 came into force and 1999 35 14.7 42.1 many former ATCSA grants payments are now made 2000 36 16.1 44.7 under those regulations. 2001 35 14.2 41.2 2002 34 13.6 39.7 Arabic 2003 36 14.2 40.1 2004 36 15.7 43.6 Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: 2005 37 16.1 43.6 How many speakers of Arabic are employed in 2006 35 15.6 44.2 the United Kingdom by the Home Office, and what 2007 38 16.8 44.0 percentage of total Home Office employees this 1 Figures for use of public transport are based on final mode of transport used represents. [HL4776] by passengers arriving at Heathrow Source: CAA Passenger Survey The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Table 2: Air passengers who travelled to or from Gatwick Airport by public Office (Lord West of Spithead): The Home Office does transport (rail or bus/coach) not centrally collate information with regard to the Total terminating number of Arabic-speaking staff it employs. Public transport passengers Public transport (million) (million) Armed Forces: Buses 1998 30 6.9 22.9 1999 33 7.6 22.9 Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: 2000 32 7.7 24.5 What is the estimated annual cost of providing 2001 30 7.4 24.5 free bus travel to seriously injured military personnel; 2002 30 7.4 24.6 when these free bus passes will be introduced; whether 2003 32 8.0 24.6 any restrictions will be placed on the hours during 2004 31 8.3 26.5 which these passes can be used; and whether any 2005 32 8.5 26.7 consideration has been given to extending the scheme 2006 35 10.3 29.3 to all serving military personnel and veterans. 2007 35 10.8 30.6 [HL5071] 1 Figures for use of public transport are based on final mode of transport used by passengers arriving at Gatwick Lord Bassam of Brighton: We estimate that 35,000 Source: CAA Passenger Survey to 40,000 seriously injured service personnel and veterans under the age of 60 will be eligible for concessionary Table 3: Air passengers who travelled to or from Luton Airport by public transport (rail or bus/coach) travel. This figure includes people who already qualify Total terminating for concessionary travel. Based on generous assumptions, Public transport Public transport passengers we estimate the additional costs to be in the region of % (million) (million) £4 million to £8 million per year. The new concession 1996 14 0.3 2.3 will be introduced by 1 April 2011. 2000 20 1.2 5.8 The statutory bus concession allows concessionaires 2001 26 1.6 6.1 free bus travel on local buses from 9.30 am to 11 pm 2002 24 1.4 5.8 Monday to Friday and at all times at weekends and on 2003 24 1.5 6.2 bank holidays. These times will apply to the new 2004 25 1.7 7.1 concession for military personnel. At present, we have 2005 28 2.3 8.3 no plans to extend this scheme to other military personnel 2006 30 2.7 8.9 and veterans. 2007 29 2.8 9.3

1 Figures for use of public transport are based on final mode of transport used Armed Forces: Pensions by passengers arriving at Luton Source: CAA Passenger Survey Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate asked Her Majesty’s Government: Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act: What representations the Parliamentary Under- Voluntary Retention of Data Secretary of State at the Ministry of Justice, Ms Bridget Prentice, has received from the Confederation The Earl of Northesk asked Her Majesty’s Government: of British Ex-service Organisations (COBSEO) on How many grants they have given to telephone the future of the Pensions Appeal Tribunal; and companies and internet service providers to assist what response they are sending to COBSEO. them in the voluntary retention of data under [HL4865] WA 231 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 232

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry What assessment they have made of the potential of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): The Confederation to reduce the number of flights from Heathrow of British Ex-service Organisations has welcomed many Airport to European destinations within five hours’ of the proposals we are making for the future of the travel time by train. [HL4669] Tribunals Service, including better geographical access to the full network of Tribunals Service hearing centres Lord Bassam of Brighton: The Department for for Pensions Appeal Tribunal appellants. Transport’s position on Heathrow is set out in the It has concerns with the proposal that the Pensions 2003 Future of Air Transport White Paper and the Appeal Tribunal will transfer into a Social Entitlement recent Adding Capacity at Heathrow Airport consultation. Chamber, within the new structure enabled by the Our support for new capacity at Heathrow, subject Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act. As such, the to meeting strict local environmental limits, is underpinned office for my honourable friend, the Parliamentary by detailed modelling of passenger demand up to Under-Secretary of State, has approached the organisation 2030. These forecasts indicate that the range of domestic and offered to meet to discuss in detail the concerns and international flights offered at Heathrow is crucial it has. to the UK and particularly beneficial to the connectivity of passengers located in regions outside the south-east. Aviation: Domestic Flights As such, we have not modelled or assessed scenarios that would reduce the number of domestic flights or Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: European flights from Heathrow. We have also not How many commercial passenger flights there considered measures to reduce the number of transit were between Stansted Airport and (a) Newcastle, passengers using Heathrow. (b) Edinburgh, (c) Glasgow, and (d) other UK Ultimately, if policy support for further development mainland destinations in each of the past five years; at Heathrow is provided, it will be a commercial and how many passengers were carried between decision for the airport operator, working with its Stansted Airport and each of those destinations. users, to decide which flights and destinations it wishes [HL5074] to operate in the future.

Lord Bassam of Brighton: The tables below show the number of commercial passenger flights and Banking: Bank of England passengers carried between Stansted Airport and Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, and other UK airports Lord Barnett asked Her Majesty’s Government: in each of the past five years. How much the Bank of England has lent to Table 1: Commercial passenger flights between Stansted and Newcastle, Edinburgh, banks, excluding Northern Rock, in the past five Glasgow, and other UK airports years; and what charges were levied for such loans. Thousands [HL5053] 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007

Newcastle 2.7 2.7 2.8 2.8 2.9 Lord Davies of Oldham: The Bank of England Edinburgh 4.1 4.1 4.7 4.0 3.7 undertakes financial transactions with firms on a daily Glasgow 3.3 3.3 4.1 4.4 4.3 basis. Details of the Bank’s balance sheet can be found Other UK airports 16.8 16.4 13.2 12.9 13.2 in the Bank’s annual reports and in the “Bank Return”. Total (All UK airports) 26.9 26.5 24.8 24.2 24.1 The interest rates that the Bank charges for loans Source: DfT analysis of Civil Aviation Authority data depend on the type of lending. Transactions with Table 2: Passengers carried on commercial passenger flights between Stansted individual firms, and the interest rates on such transactions, and Newcastle, Edinburgh, Glasgow, and other UK airports are a matter of commercial confidentiality. Thousands 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 Banking: Charges Newcastle 299 319 319 303 298 Edinburgh 500 500 521 470 449 Glasgow 378 397 436 462 448 Lord Dykes asked Her Majesty’s Government: Other UK airports 1,526 1,519 1,389 1,425 1,359 Whether they will enter into discussions with the Total (All UK airports) 2,702 2,734 2,665 2,660 2,554 joint stock retail banks to ensure that hidden charges Source: DfT analysis of Civil Aviation Authority data and small print devices to conceal charges are abolished. [HL5067] Aviation: Heathrow Lord Davies of Oldham: The OFT launched a market Lord Bradshaw asked Her Majesty’s Government: study in April 2007 to consider questions about competition and value for money in the provision of What assessment they have made of the long-term personal current accounts, such as transparency of potential to reduce the number of domestic flights costs to consumers and ease of switching. The OFT from Heathrow Airport; and [HL4667] will be engaging with relevant parties over the coming What assessment they have made of the potential months in order to discuss the findings from the to reduce the number of transit passengers using market study published in July 2008 and the most Heathrow Airport; and [HL4668] appropriate next steps to tackle the problems identified. WA 233 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 234

Benefits: Overseas Recipients Benefit expenditure to customers living in India and Pakistan by benefit Benefit Actual benefit expenditure

India Pakistan Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: State Pension £7,678,440 £8,828,940 Further to the Written Answer by Lord McKenzie Bereavement Benefit £83,800 £128,300 Incapacity Benefit/Maternity £11,800 £0.00 of Luton on 5 June (WA 70-1), how many people Allowance with addresses in India and Pakistan were paid Severe Disablement £10 £0.00 social security benefits and pensions in 2006-07; Allowance how much was paid in total to such persons; and Widows Benefit £147,460 £346,080 how many of them are over 90. [HL4559] Data source: actual expenditure 2006-07 Notes: 1. The above is the amount of state pension and other benefits The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, paid to customers living in India and Pakistan by International Department for Work and Pensions (Lord McKenzie of Pension Centre in the year 2006-07. Luton): The information is in the tables. 2. All figures are rounded to the nearest £10. Number of customers living in India and Pakistan by benefit Benefit Number of customers Bonuses: DBERR

India Pakistan Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: State Pension 4,540 5,000 Bereavement Benefit 20 20 How many staff working for the Department for Incapacity Benefit 0 0 Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform were Maternity Allowance 0 0 paid a bonus in each of the past five years; and Severe Disablement 00what was the total amount of bonuses paid by the Allowance department. [HL4695] Widows Benefit 80 240 Data source: caseload scan 31 December 2006. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Notes: Reform (Baroness Vadera): The Department for Business 1. The above is the number of customers living in India and Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (previously DTI) Pakistan and paid state pension or other benefits by International Pension Centre. awards non-consolidated bonuses in two formats: 2. All figures are rounded to the nearest 20. 1. Special bonuses to recognise performance in particularly demanding tasks or situations. Staff in Number of customers aged 90 and above living in India and Pakistan Number of customers receipt of a special bonus may also receive an annual performance award. India Pakistan 2. Annual performance awards paid to highly Total 140 160 successful performers as part of the annual pay Data source: caseload scan 31 December 2006 award. Notes: Based on the information available the number of 1. The above is the number of customers aged 90 and above staff receiving these awards, as a proportion of the living in India and Pakistan and paid state pension by total workforce they represent, total amount of bonuses International Pension Centre. and the size of the single largest payment for which 2. All figures are rounded to the nearest 20. this information can be provided is in the table below.

Financial Year Special Bonuses Performance Awards Largest single payment of Bonuses Proportion of the Proportion of the Number of workforce Number of staff workforce staff receiving receiving Total Value receiving receiving Total Value

2007 - 08(1) 1238 36% £693,386 1065 31% £2,265,502(4) £16,500 2006 - 07 919 20% £491,669 1286 29% £2,532,180 £15,000 2005 - 06 1237 27% £521, 902 1257 28% £l,808,630 £8,000 2004 - 05 1261 26% £498,592 1274 26% £1,563,180 £8,000 2003 - 04 1458 29% £572, 149 1269 26% £1,505,328 £6,000

(1) Financial year running from 1 April to 31 March. (4) Includes staff who were transferred from DTI to DIUS as (2) In 2007-8 the total value of bonuses paid was approximately part of the June 2007 Machinery of Government Changes as 1.5% of the total department’s paybill. these staff received a DTI/BERR pay award in 2007. Does not include those staff transferred into BERR from Cabinet Office (3) The special bonuses and performance awards for non-SCS staff are paid on a non-consolidated, non-pensionable basis and and the Department for Communities and Local Government as do not increase the department’s paybill costs each year. For the part of the June 2007 Machinery of Government Changes as SCS the Senior Salaries Review Body determines the level of these staff received Cabinet Office and DCLG pay awards expenditure to cover bonuses. respectively in 2007. WA 235 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 236

British-Irish Intergovernmental Conference Union, and to what timescale they will act to bring the United Kingdom’s budget deficit below 3 per cent of gross domestic product, as required, given Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: the Government’s responsibility to manage the economic and fiscal affairs of the United Kingdom Further to the Written Answer by Lord Rooker in the interests of the United Kingdom and its on 14 July (WA 106) concerning the British-Irish people. [HL4898] Intergovernmental Secretariat, what the grades of the British staff are; and who they are. [HL5009] Lord Davies of Oldham: The Government have consistently supported a prudent interpretation of the Baroness Crawley: The grades of the staff on the stability and growth pact, which takes into account British side of the secretariat range from D2 to Senior the economic cycle, the long-term sustainability of Civil Service (SCS). The current British joint secretary public finances and the important role of public is Mary Madden (SCS), and the deputy British joint investment. secretary is Tim Logan (Grade A). Budget 2008 projects a treaty deficit of 3.2 per cent They are supported by eight staff members. The in 2008-09, falling to 2.8 per cent in 2009-10. This is names of other staff members are not being disclosed consistent with the recommendation adopted by the in order to protect the privacy of the individuals Economic and Financial Affairs Council. concerned.

Broadcasting: Digital Switchover Control Orders

Lord Kilclooney asked Her Majesty’s Government: Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s Government: Further to the Written Answer by Lord Davies of Oldham on 10 July (WA 91), whether Freesat How many foreign nationals have been subject will be available from UTV in Northern Ireland; to control orders since they were introduced; and of and where in the United Kingdom are the 2 per cent these how many have been successfully deported. of households for which Freesat is unavailable. [HL4513] [HL4935] The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Lord Davies of Oldham: Estimated satellite coverage Office (Lord West of Spithead): As of 10 June 2008 for Freesat in Northern Ireland is the same as the rest (the end of the period covered by the last quarterly of the UK (98 per cent of households), as the UTV Written Ministerial Statement on control orders), region is representative of the UK in terms of satellite 26 foreign nationals had been subject to a control reception conditions. order. Of these, six individuals have successfully been The 2 per cent of households that cannot receive deported. satellite transmissions are spread across the UK. We do not have exact details of these locations. Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s Government: Lord Kilclooney asked Her Majesty’s Government: How many individuals subject to control orders Further to the Written Answer by Lord Davies were subsequently served between February 2007 of Oldham on 10 July (WA 91–92), whether the and February 2008 with notices of intention to timing of digital switchover in the Republic of deport; on what date each of those notices was Ireland will have any influence on the proposed served; and how many of those individuals have switchover in Northern Ireland in 2012. [HL4936] been successfully deported. [HL4514]

Lord Davies of Oldham: The Irish Government Lord West of Spithead: None. have not yet set a date for digital switchover in Ireland; Northern Ireland is scheduled to switch over in 2012. We are currently consulting the relevant authorities Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s and regulators over switchover plans and will work to Government: minimise any disruption. How many individuals subject to control orders have absconded abroad, or are thought to have absconded abroad, since control orders were Budget introduced. [HL4515]

Lord Stoddart of Swindon asked Her Majesty’s Lord West of Spithead: I would refer the noble Government: Baroness to Written Ministerial Statements in relation What is their response to the formal opening of to control orders published on 11 December 2006, an excessive deficit procedure against the United 16 January 2007, 22 March 2007, 24 May 2007, 21 June Kingdom following agreement by the Economic 2007, 17 September 2007, 12 December 2007, 13 March and Financial Affairs Council of the European 2008 and 12 June 2008. WA 237 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 238

Counterterrorism Lord West of Spithead: The police “prevent” strategy and delivery plan was launched by the Association of Chief Police Officers in April. This was complemented Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s by The Prevent Strategy: A Guide for Local Partners in Government: England, which the Government published in June. At the same time, my right honourable friend the Home How many Home Office-sponsored counterterrorism Secretary announced the allocation of new police exercises have been conducted in each year since posts for 24 forces in 2008-09. Recruitment for these 2001; and which agencies and organisations were posts is under way, with a view to them being in place involved in those exercises. [HL4586] by the autumn. Progress is being made in forces in the following key The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home areas in particular: developing effective links with Office (Lord West of Spithead): The Home Office institutions to strengthen resilience to violent extremism, counterterrorist exercise programme is designed to for instance through safer schools partnerships and raise awareness of and test contingency plans in links with other educational establishments; supporting conjunction with the police service and, dependent on vulnerable individuals through multi-agency interventions, the nature of the exercise, involve the participation of tailored to the individual’s needs—10 channel sites are other emergency services, government departments now up and running, and there are plans to extend the and agencies, the military, local authorities, health scheme to further areas this year; delivering intelligence providers, scientists and technical specialists. and community engagement training in seven different sites in preparation for national rollout to all forces The programme comprises exercises that involve later this year; and ensuring that preventing violent elements of live-play and table-top exercises. Between extremism is the core business of police activity at all 1 January 2001 and 31 December 2007, the Home levels, including neighbourhoods, and that information Office delivered the following counterterrorist exercises and intelligence is shared collaboratively with other as part of this programme: key partners. Live Exercises Table-top Exercises All forces in England and Wales will be inspected by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary later 2001 3 2001 11 in the year against its implementation of the police 2002 3 2002 7 “prevent” strategy. 2003 3 2003 10 2004 3 2004 8 Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s 2005 1 2005 7 Government: 2006 3 2006 11 What progress they have made on the cross- 2007 3 2007 5 departmental chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear 2008 (projected) 2 2008 (projected) 10 resilience programme. [HL4590]

Lord West of Spithead: Since its establishment in Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s 2001, the chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear Government: (CBRN) resilience programme has made considerable progress in providing: How many police have been trained to deal with a range of national guidance publications covering chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear attacks all aspects of the CBRN response; since July 2006; and how many police officers in specialist training for emergency service personnel total are so trained. [HL4587] through the establishment of the Police National CBRN Centre; Lord West of Spithead: Since July 2006, approximately detection equipment for first responders; 1,998 police officers have been trained to deal with decontamination equipment through the new chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear attacks. dimension programme; and Due to staff turnover and role changes, the total more effective personal protective equipment (PPE) number of police officers trained over a given period is for first responders, such as the civil responder 1 not representative of the number of officers that could (CR1) suit. be called on to respond to an incident. The most Further details on the status of the CBRN resilience recent audit carried out by the Police National CBRN programme are available online at www.security.home Centre (mid-April 2008) recorded 8,124 fully trained, office.gov.uk/cbrn-resilience. equipped and deployable CBRN police officers in the UK. Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s Government: What progress they have made in implementing Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s the recommendations of Lord West of Spithead to Government: reduce vulnerabilities from terrorism in crowded What progress has been made on the piloting places, the transport sector, critical national and implementation of the police “prevent” strategy. infrastructure and hazardous substances, in the [HL4588] short and long term. [HL4591] WA 239 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 240

Lord West of Spithead: Further to the Secretary of Government had already been working to address the State for the Home Department’s Written Ministerial security of public areas at airports and on the railways Statement on 14 November 2007, the Government prior to the incident at Glasgow Airport in June 2007, have made good progress in implementing the conclusions building on existing security procedures which apply of the reviews. to both airports and the railways. On crowded places, we have introduced a standard We continue to balance the necessary response to way of assessing risk which will for the first time the ongoing level of threat with the need for people to provide baseline data about local areas with crowded travel. Where necessary, we introduce additional places at highest risk. The investment of a further requirements, such as those proposed in the transport £1.5 million during the financial year 2008-09, for security Bill. Where appropriate, we develop capability, additional counterterrorism security adviser (CTSA) such as our three-year operational trial of an extension posts, has meant that there are now more than 180 to the British Transport Police’s passenger screening officers to support this work. We have also tripled the announced on 26 June, and the introduction of vehicle capacity of the national barrier asset (which provides restraint measures at key stations. Where possible we temporary protection for the highest risk locations). minimise the impact, such as lifting the “one bag” In the autumn, we will consult publicly about two restriction on aircraft cabin baggage at 50 UK airports. key guidance documents: a new strategic framework On the review of hazardous substances announced to encourage greater partnership working at local level by the Prime Minister in November 2007, I refer the to reduce vulnerabilities of crowded places; and a noble Baroness to the Statement I laid before this counterterrorism supplement to the existing guidance House today. Safer Places—The Planning System and Crime Prevention, which will act as a practical guide for designers and planners. Lord Ahmed asked Her Majesty’s Government: The National Counter Terrorism Security Office What process was used to select the winning bid (NaCTSO) is due to publish shortly two new protective for the Countering Terrorism and Radicalisation security guidance booklets for cinemas, theatres, Programme; and [HL4612] restaurants and hotels. Guidance tailored for the How many official bids there were with reference requirements of major events, education and health to the Countering Terrorism and Radicalisation sectors, religious sites and commercial centres is also Programme; and [HL4613] being prepared to supplement existing protective security guidance. Whether the winning bid for the Countering CTSAs have now delivered more than 460 ARGUS Terrorism and Radicalisation Programme was selected exercises (counterterrorism scenario-based training through a competitive process. [HL4614] exercises for primarily retail businesses located in crowded places) since January 2007. A new ARGUS “professional” Lord West of Spithead: The £12.5 million announced has been developed aimed at architects, planners, designers on 3 June is the money that the Home Office has and developers following four pilots carried out earlier allocated to a number of departments, agencies and in 2008 across the UK. NaCTSO has also developed organisations to deliver programmes to support vulnerable an ARGUS exercise for the “night-time economy”, individuals. This comprises a range of activities rather which will be available from CTSAs from August 2008 than a single programme that the Government invited onwards. Regional-based counterterrorism awareness bids for. briefings are also being provided to police architectural liaison officers in 2008-09. The £12.5 million from the Home Office is to help prevent extremism in communities and will be spent On critical national infrastructure (CNI), a new on funding projects specifically to support institutions infrastructure categorisation scheme has now been or individuals vulnerable to radicalisation. New schemes implemented. Sector sponsor departments and the will include: Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure (CPNI) are reviewing our essential services to produce £1 million for the Home Office to extend police-led a new, up-to-date catalogue of national infrastructure. multi-agency projects to identify and support This includes information networks as well as physical vulnerable individuals at risk of being targeted by sites for a more comprehensive picture of the UK’s violent extremists; critical national infrastructure. The catalogue will be £3.5 million to youth offending teams and youth reviewed on a regular basis. secure establishments on new work to prevent violent extremism, focused on supporting young We are developing guidance to explain the individuals who have had contact with the criminal Government’s strategic approach to infrastructure justice system; protection, outlining the roles and responsibilities of those involved in critical national infrastructure protection, £7.25 million to the National Offender Management for sharing with key partners. We have also accelerated Service and partner agencies to do further work in the research and development work being led by the prisons and the community to tackle vulnerability CPNI. to radicalisation among offenders; On transport, the review recognised the scope and £750,000 for the Home Office to fund further grassroots nature of our transport security programmes and that projects aimed at tackling radicalisation. there was no requirement for a fundamental change in All of the £12.5 million will be spent in the 2008-09 how we regulate counterterrorism security. The financial year. WA 241 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 242

The Home Office regularly carries out cross- Department for Communities and Local government consultation with all its key stakeholders Government: Architects, Planners and including the Ministry of Justice, the Department for Communities and Local Government, the Department Surveyors for Children, Schools and Families and the Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills among others. Baroness Whitaker asked Her Majesty’s Government: Organisations with experience in dealing with vulnerable individuals were identified and projects created to How many architects, planners, landscape architects contribute to the delivery of the PREVENT strategy. and chartered surveyors are currently employed by All approved projects are scrutinised by governance the Department for Communities and Local boards, which feed into the NSID(E) board chaired by Government. [HL4758] the Prime Minister. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Crime: Knives Department for Communities and Local Government (Baroness Andrews): The department currently employs Lord Maginnis of Drumglass asked Her Majesty’s eight planning officers. The department does not have Government: specialist grades for architects, landscape architects What psychiatric and medical advice they sought and chartered surveyors. The Commission for Architecture and received before announcing that perpetrators and the Built Environment (CABE) is the Government’s of knife crime should visit their victims in hospital; advisor on architecture, urban design and public space. what effects they expect such visits to have on victims; what is likely to be the added cost to the National Health Service of facilitating escorted Department for Transport: Publications visits; and whether such visits could contribute to hospital infection. [HL4887] Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home How much was spent by the Department for Office (Lord West of Spithead): The knife referral Transport on magazines, newspapers and other project involves ensuring that young people who have publications in each of the last three years. [HL4932] been convicted of possession of a knife understand the risks and consquences of their actions. If they do Lord Bassam of Brighton: Total payments coded as not receive a custodial sentence, they will attend, as expenditure for magazines, newspapers and other part of their community sentence, a weapons awareness publications in the Department for Transport’s accounting programme and this may include discussions with systems during the last three complete financial years A&E professionals and victims’ families. is recorded as: There is no proposal that offenders who have 2005/06—£553,881 committed violence involving knives should visit their victims in hospital. 2006/07—£277,389 2007/08—£302,267. Crime: Online Fraud The totals exclude data from the Government Car and Despatch Agency and the Driving Standards Agency, Lord Broers asked Her Majesty’s Government: which could only be provided at disproportionate For the periods (a) 1 April 2007 to 31 March cost. 2008, and (b) 1 April 2008 to date, how many From 2006-07, the central department introduced a complaints of online fraud by customers of financial revised coding structure. Prior to this, it was not institutions were forwarded by the financial institutions possible to separate expenditure on books and purchases to the police. [HL4799] of other official material. The total for 2005-06 therefore includes this expenditure. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home The figure provided by the Highways Agency for Office (Lord West of Spithead): In 2007-08, 23,344 2005-06 also includes publications purchased for specific cases of fraud by false representation that involved a road projects. The data used to complete the answer cheque, plastic card or online bank account were rely upon correct coding of expenditure by finance recorded by the police (this includes some instances staff. of the similar offence of cheque and credit card fraud committed under old legislation in place before 15 January 2007). Deportation Those offences could have been referred directly by a financial institution, reported by an account holder Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s or merchant who was not refunded moneys by their Government: financial institution or dealt with as a direct call for service to the police where a suspect was believed to be How many memorandums of understanding to committing a crime at the time. The offences will in facilitate the deportation of foreign nationals on some instances relate to online fraud, but there is no grounds of national security and unacceptable specific category of recorded crime to separately identify behaviour are in place; and with which countries; them. and [HL4516] WA 243 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 244

How many memorandums of understanding to 14 May (WA 135), why the Human Fertilisation facilitate the deportation of foreign nationals on and Embryology Authority has been unable to advise grounds of national security and unacceptable the Department of Health on the efficacy of stem behaviour are currently being negotiated; and with cell derivation from whole human embryos cultured which countries; and [HL4517] beyond 14 days to form outgrowths, from which no Since July 2006, how many deportation actions stem cell lines have reportedly been deposited in the on grounds of national security and unacceptable UK Stem Cell Bank since the issue was raised in behaviour to countries with which the United Kingdom 2006. [HL4864] has a memorandum of understanding have been successful; and how many have been unsuccessful. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, [HL4518] Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): The department has not asked the Human Fertilisation The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home and Embryology Authority (HFEA) for advice regarding Office (Lord West of Spithead): Memoranda of the efficacy of stem cell derivation from outgrown understanding on deportation with assurances were embryos. It would be for the HFEA to form a view on signed with Jordan, Libya and Lebanon in 2005. Separate this technique, if it were appropriate, to assess the arrangements, set out in an exchange of letters in July validity of a licence application. 2006, apply in respect of Algeria. The Government are pursuing agreements regarding Lord Alton of Liverpool asked Her Majesty’s deportation with assurances with a number of countries. Government: Identification of the parties would prejudice these Further to the Written Answer by Baroness Morgan negotiations. Copies of any agreements concluded will of Drefelin on 14 May (WA 135), what have been be placed in the Library in due course, as has been the shortest recorded and average time intervals done previously. between award of a licence by the Human Fertilisation Since July 2006, no one has been deported to Jordan, and Embryology Authority for the purpose of deriving Libya or Lebanon on grounds of either national security embryonic stem cell lines and deposition of the or unacceptable behaviour. Six men have been deported resulting stem cell lines in the UK Stem Cell Bank. to Algeria since that date, all on national security [HL4923] grounds. Lord Darzi of Denham: This information is not Discrimination collected centrally. Lord Lester of Herne Hill asked Her Majesty’s Lord Alton of Liverpool asked Her Majesty’s Government: Government: Whether United Kingdom anti-discrimination Further to the Written Answers by Lord Darzi legislation needs to be amended in light of the decision of Denham on 19 June (WA 177–78), 24 June of the European Court of Justice in Case C–54/07 (WA 227)and8July(WA 73), which of the centres Centrum voor gelijkheid van kansen en voor licensed by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology racismebestrijding v Firma Feryn NV. [HL5016] Authority (HFEA) are known to have been culturing whole embryos to form outgrowths for more than The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton 14 days; how many embryonic stem cell lines in of Upholland): We note the judgment of the European total have been deposited by each of these centres Court of Justice in this case, as such decisions can only in the UK Stem Cell Bank; what proportion of the help to ensure that member states are fully compliant stem cell lines deposited by each of these licensed with the directive. The case broadly concerned the centres were derived from outgrowing embryos; enforcement powers that may be required to deal with and which of these licensed centres were simultaneously situations where unlawful discrimination is apparent, pursuing projects for which one of the specified but no individual victim has been identified. The purposes considered by the HFEA in corresponding Equality and Human Rights Commission is already licence applications was “increasing knowledge about empowered to bring enforcement proceedings in situations the development of embryos”. [HL4924] where no identifiable victim has come forward—for example, where it identifies discriminatory advertisements, Lord Darzi of Denham: No licence from the Human discriminatory practices or where it otherwise thinks Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) permits an unlawful act is likely to be committed. Our initial centres to culture live human embryos beyond 14 days view, therefore, is that our existing legislative framework or the appearance of the primitive streak, in accordance is compliant. We are, however, considering the judgment with Sections 3(3)(a) and 3(4) of the Human Fertilisation in detail and will be analysing it in terms of our wider and Embryology (HFE) Act 1990. Entities which form proposals for the new Equality Bill. when human embryos are allowed to outgrow their structure are not classed as live human embryos and Embryology do not breach Sections 3(3)(a) and 3(4) of the 1990 HFE Act. Lord Alton of Liverpool asked Her Majesty’s This is because the entities do not have the organisation Government: structure of a viable embryo and are not representative Further to the Written Answers by Lord Darzi of a 3D suspended embryo undergoing gastrulation of Denham on 22 January (WA 28) and 8 July (the stage of development during which the primitive (WA 73) and by Baroness Morgan of Drefelin on streak emerges). The HFEA has issued licences to two WA 245 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 246 centres (St Mary’s Manchester and Roslin Cells Limited) application to the internet; and, if there are no that allow embryos to outgrow in this way in order to plans for such implementation, how they intend to extract the inner cell mass. give legal force to these elements of the directive. One research project (at Guy’s Hospital, London) [HL4464] has been licensed by the HFEA under several purposes, including increasing knowledge about the development The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home of embryos. Office (Lord West of Spithead): In October 2007, the It is a condition of an HFEA research licence that if Data Retention (EC Directive) Regulations 2007 came a stem cell is derived a sample of the line has to be into force, completing the initial transposition of the deposited in the United Kingdom Stem Cell Bank. European data retention directive. We plan to consult The HFEA is aware that 35 stem cell lines have been publicly before transposing the remainder of the directive derived under HFEA licences. Information on the to come into effect on 1 April 2009. lines that have been deposited and the number of lines awaiting to be deposited can be found on the UK Stem Cell Bank website at: www.ukstemcellbank.org.uk. Fertility Treatment

Lord Alton of Liverpool asked Her Majesty’s Equality Commission: Northern Ireland Government: Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: Further to the Written Answer by Lord Darzi of Denham on 3 June (WA 34-35) regarding data held What was meant by the conclusion, “the Agreement by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority imposes a binding obligation upon Ireland to ensure on numbers of eggs collected per in vitro fertilisation that at least an equivalence of rights protection is in treatment cycle since 1991, what was the total number place in Ireland as that applying in Northern Ireland” and percentage of cycles over each successive year in chapter 12 of the Equality Commission for Northern at which (a) 20 or more eggs, 30 or more eggs, Ireland’s report, Equivalence in Promoting Equality; (b) 40 or more eggs, (c) 50 or more eggs, (d) 60 or whether that represents their policy; and, if so, more eggs and (e) 70 or more eggs were collected what representations they have made to the per cycle at each of the licensed centres respectively Government of Ireland on this issue. [HL4320] where the percentage of cycles at which collection of between 20 and 85 eggs per cycle exceeded the Baroness Crawley: The Equality Commission for median percentage. [HL4926] Northern Ireland is an independent body. As Lord Rooker set out in his Answer of 6 March 2008, Official Report, col. WA192, the sponsorship of the commission The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, is a matter for the devolved Administration. Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): The information requested has been placed in the Library. Essex Lord Alton of Liverpool asked Her Majesty’s Government: Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: Further to the Written Answers by Lord Darzi On how many occasions Ministers and officials of Denham on 5 December 2007 (WA 196) and from the Department for Business, Enterprise and 18 December 2007 (WA 117) regarding reporting of Regulatory Reform or the Department of Trade ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS), what and Industry have visited Essex in each of the past was the total number and percentage of patients five years. [HL4168] known to have been at risk of OHSS at each respective licensed centre according to records held The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory over each successive year since 1991; and what Reform (Baroness Vadera): My noble friend the Minister percentage of these cases were reported to the of State for Trade and Investment is looking forward HFEA as adverse incidents. [HL4927] to visiting Essex in October. The then DTI Ministers responsible for Energy, Science and Innovation, Employment Relations and Consumer Affairs all made Lord Darzi of Denham: The Human Fertilisation visits to Essex as have many officials although as there and Embryology Authority (HFEA) has informed the is no central record of these we are unable to provide department that it assesses the overall incidence of further details. ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS) in the United Kingdom and has recently commissioned Professor Adam Balen to update his 2005 report into EU: Data Retention Directive OHSS following fertility treatment. However, the HFEA does not collect detailed clinical information about The Earl of Northesk asked Her Majesty’s Government: individual patients going through in vitro fertilisation In light of the transposition of the data retention treatment, such as their treating clinician’s assessment directive (2006/24/EC), as applied to telephone of their propensity to develop OHSS, and so does not networks, into United Kingdom law by secondary hold the information requested. legislation (SI 2007/2199), what plans they have to Copies of Professor Balen’s 2005 report have been make similar provision in respect of the directive’s placed in the Library. WA 247 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 248

Food: Pork and Bacon Sector Food Procurement Initiative (PSFPI) and that they procure from local sources wherever possible. Lord Hoyle asked Her Majesty’s Government: They state that 100 per cent of their fresh pork purchased What action the Department for Communities is of British origin, as is 75 per cent of bacon. Monthly and Local Government is taking to implement the meetings with the catering contractor are held to Public Sector Food Procurement Initiative in respect monitor general progress in delivering PSFPI objectives, of its purchasing of pork and bacon; what proportion including action to ensure that the bacon and pork of pork and bacon purchased is British; what attention served meets UK welfare standards. Purchasing policy is given to farm assurance, animal welfare, and is also reviewed at these meetings. health and nutrition; and how often purchasing policy is reviewed. [HL4841] Lord Hoyle asked Her Majesty’s Government: The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, What action the Department for Transport is Department for Communities and Local Government taking to implement the public sector food procurement (Baroness Andrews): The policy of Department for initiative in respect of its purchasing of pork and Communities and Local Government is to use the bacon; what proportion of pork and bacon purchased procurement best practice guidance that encourages is British; what attention is given to farm assurance, consideration of sustainable procurement activities, animal welfare, and health and nutrition; and how including the use of small to medium enterprises and often purchasing policy is reviewed. [HL4843] the third sector. All procurement is undertaken in line with the European Commission’s procurement rules Lord Bassam of Brighton: The Department for and to obtain value for money. British products are Transport does not purchase food centrally. All food used where possible. procurement at the very few directly managed catering facilities within the department is undertaken in line Figures on the proportion of British pork and with the EU’s procurement rules and to obtain value bacon purchased by my department are included in for money. the report: Proportion of domestically produced food used by government departments and also supplied to At departmental level, 33.5 per cent of bacon and hospitals and prisons under contracts negotiated by 98.5 per cent of pork is domestically sourced, as NHS Supply Chain and HM Prison Service that is published by the Department for Environment, Food available on the PSFPI web site at http://www. and Rural Affairs (Defra) at: www.defra.gov.uk/farm/ defra.gov.uk/farm/policy/sustain/procurement/pdf/ policy/sustain/procurement/pdf/govt-food-usage.pdf. govtfood-usage.pdf. Up-to-date data will become available Updated information will be published by Defra towards the end of the year when the Department for later this year. Environment Food and Rural Affairs plans to publish a new report. Lord Hoyle asked Her Majesty’s Government: Catering services for Communities and Local What action HM Treasury is taking to implement Government are provided as part of the department’s the public sector food procurement initiative in facilities management contract. Our caterer strives to respect of its purchasing of pork and bacon; what ensure that it is buying and partnering with suppliers proportion of pork and bacon purchased is British; who are concerned about both the environment and what attention is given to farm assurance, animal animal welfare. The following bodies are some of the welfare, and health and nutrition; and how often accreditation they look for; Assured Food Standards purchasing policy is reviewed. [HL4845] (Red Tractor Mark); the Soil Association; the National Association for Catering Butchers; the British Cheese Lord Davies of Oldham: Food is supplied to HM Awards; the Freedom Food welfare scheme, and; the Treasury as part of the catering service provided by its Marine Conservation Society. PFI provider at 1 Horse Guards Road. The Treasury Our caterer aims to provide menus which are encourages the PFI provider to adopt the objectives of nutritionally balanced, appetising and built around the PSFPI. One hundred per cent of pork supplied is variety, while using ingredients that are lower in saturated reared and farmed in the UK. Forty per cent of bacon fat, salt and added sugar. comes from UK sources, and the PFI provider is working hard with its suppliers to increase this proportion. Lord Hoyle asked Her Majesty’s Government: The PFI provider’s policy is to aim to source meat What action the Department for Business, Enterprise products of the highest quality and in accordance with and Regulatory Reform is taking to implement the UK welfare regulations for animal husbandry and Public Sector Food Procurement Initiative in respect welfare. It keeps its purchasing policy under regular of its purchasing of pork and bacon; what proportion review. of pork and bacon purchased is British; what attention is given to farm assurance, animal welfare, and Lord Hoyle asked Her Majesty’s Government: health and nutrition; and how often purchasing policy is reviewed. [HL4842] What action the Home Office is taking to implement the Public Sector Food Procurement Initiative in The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth respect of its purchasing of pork and bacon; what Office & Department for Business, Enterprise and proportion of pork and bacon purchased is British; Regulatory Reform (Lord Jones of Birmingham): The what attention is given to farm assurance, animal department’s contract with our catering service provider, welfare, and health and nutrition; and how often Baxter Storey, ensures that they comply with the Public purchasing policy is reviewed. [HL4846] WA 249 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 250

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Additionally, food commodity standards and Office (Lord West of Spithead): The Home Department specifications are reviewed regularly to accommodate inclusive of its agencies does not contract directly for the requirements of a changeable and diverse consumer food supplies but procures catering services through base. As a minimum they are scrutinised prior to any wider facilities management (FM) or operational service tendering exercise. contractors. To obtain information on what proportion of pork and bacon the department purchased is British would incur disproportionate costs. Freedom of Information When placing a contract with FM or operational services contractors, government guidance on sustainable Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: food and farming is incorporated in appropriate terms What is the estimated cost incurred by the and conditions with regards to the procurement of Department for International Development in food. Purchasing policy is reviewed frequently to answering freedom of information requests from incorporate new policy initiatives. the TaxPayers’ Alliance pressure group, including civil servants’ time. [HL4073] Lord Hoyle asked Her Majesty’s Government: Lord Tunnicliffe: The Department for International What action the Ministry of Justice is taking to Development (DfID) does not hold information on implement the public sector food procurement initiative estimated costs of responding to individual requests. in respect of its purchasing of pork and bacon; Complying with the Freedom of Information Act what proportion of pork and bacon purchased is does not require compilation of such estimates. British; what attention is given to farm assurance, animal welfare, and health and nutrition; and how often purchasing policy is reviewed; and [HL4892] Gibraltar: Police What action HM Prison Service is taking to implement the public sector food procurement initiative Baroness Harris of Richmond asked Her Majesty’s in respect of its purchasing of pork and bacon; Government: what proportion of pork and bacon purchased is British; what attention is given to farm assurance, What consultations they have had with the Gibraltar animal welfare, and health and nutrition; and how Services Police Staff Association about the future of the Gibraltar Service Police. [HL4958] often purchasing policy is reviewed. [HL4893] The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Defence (Baroness Taylor of Bolton): HQ British of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): The Ministry Forces Gibraltar issued for consultation the terms of of Justice (MoJ) is currently working alongside reference document for the Gibraltar policing and other public sector bodies with the Food Quality security review to the Gibraltar Services Police Staff Standards Group, a sub-group of the Food Association (GSPSA) and other interested parties on Procurement Group (FPG) working towards common 4 June 2007. They responded on 19 June 2007 and agreement on commodity group standards. This work conduct of the review commenced on 20 June 2007. is nearing completion and will lead to a submission to The GSPSA has been kept informed on the progress the FPG. of the review. Should the review determine an option The MoJ makes use of the Department for Food that changes the current status or structure of the and Rural Affairs catering toolkit and the model Gibraltar Services Police, the normal process of specification clause covering farm assurance standards, consultation will take place in line with standard animal welfare and other standards of production, departmental procedures. plus food safety. The guide Putting it into Practice on the PSFPI Baroness Harris of Richmond asked Her Majesty’s website is also a source of information used by the Government: MoJ: www.defra.gov.uk/farm/policy/sustain/procurement/ (a) what consultation has been carried out with resources.htm. the Royal Gibraltar Police and the Gibraltar Services The MoJ also includes a requirement for contractors Police regarding the proposed amalgamation; and to evidence how they will implement the public sector (b) what response they received from the Royal food procurement initiative within the evaluation criteria Gibraltar Police and the Gibraltar Services Police of any competitions for the supply of foodstuff. regarding the merits and feasibility of this The proportion of pork and bacon purchased that amalgamation. [HL4959] is British is answered within the Defra report at www.defra.gov.uk/farm/policy/sustain/procurement/ Baroness Taylor of Bolton: We have not reached any pdf/govt-food-usage.pdf. This report is also referenced decision on the future of the Gibraltar Services Police in the British Pig Executive report, Is the Government (GSP). Work is continuing, and part of this process Buying British?. Defra again proposes to publish data will involve discussions between HQ British Forces by the end of 2008 on the proportion of domestically Gibraltar and the Government of Gibraltar on future produced food used by government departments for policing options. Once these discussions have concluded, the period July to June. there will be a full appraisal of the options for the WA 251 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 252 future of the GSP before any final decision is taken. to Parliament for their activities and fulfilling the roles Accordingly, there have been no consultations with set out in The Governance of Britain Green Paper, and the GSP on a possible transfer to the Royal Gibraltar have made proposals accordingly in their response to Police. Over the past year, the GSP has actively engaged the third report of the House of Commons Select in the security review. While there has been some Committee on Modernisation of the House, of the low-level engagement with the Royal Gibraltar Police, current Session, into regional accountability, published detailed discussions and consultation will be undertaken on 21 July (Cm 7376). with the Government of Gibraltar in due course. We have announced that provision should be made in the Commons for regional Grand Committees in each English region (excluding London, at least initially), Government: Home Office Laptops and at which there would be oral questions to regional Phones Ministers on their activities in their capacity as regional Ministers and other proceedings in which Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: regional Ministers will participate. The Government’s response also proposes the establishment of regional How many (a) laptops, and (b) mobile phones Select Committees, which could seek evidence from issued to Home Office and associated agency staff regional Ministers, among other witnesses. The were lost or stolen in each of the past five years. Government hope to bring forward motions to implement [HL4771] these proposals in the autumn.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord West of Spithead): We only have accurate Health: Chief Medical Officer’s Annual information for the past three years. Report In 2005, there were 26 mobiles recorded as lost, seven as stolen and four as missing. Three laptops Baroness Finlay of Llandaff asked Her Majesty’s were reported as lost, and 11 laptops were reported as Government: stolen. In 2006, there were seven mobiles recorded as lost Which of the recommendations from the Chief and three as missing. Three laptops were reported as Medical Officer’s 2007 annual report they intend to lost, one as missing and 10 were reported as stolen. implement in the coming year. [HL4969] In 2007, 43 mobile telephones were reported as lost and four were reported as stolen. Three laptops were The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, reported as lost and 12 were reported as stolen. Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): The Government are grateful to the Chief Medical Officer for his annual report. It raises important issues, to Government: IT Contracts which the Government will give careful consideration.

Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: Health: Commissions What information technology contracts have been entered into by the Department for Transport and Earl Howe asked Her Majesty’s Government: its associated agencies in each of the previous three years; and what is the total value of those contracts. How continuity between the work programmes [HL4929] of the Healthcare Commission and those of the Care Quality Commission will be maintained when it is established, with particular reference to ongoing Lord Bassam of Brighton: A list has been placed in special review. [HL4972] the Libraries of both Houses showing IT contracts entered into by the Department for Transport and its agencies in the previous three complete financial years. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, The total value of these contracts was £115,095,680. Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): The Care Quality Commission (CQC) will be an independent body, with powers to carry out special reviews of the Government: Regional Ministers provision of National Health Service care or adult social services. The CQC will consult on and publish Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: its programme of reviews. The department has been working very closely with What plans they have to improve the accountability the existing commissions and the shadow chair of the of regional Ministers to Parliament. [HL4933] CQC to ensure plans are in place to minimise any risks arising from the organisational change involved in the The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton creation of the new regulator and to achieve a smooth of Upholland): Regional Ministers do not have executive transition. It is our expectation that where the existing powers, and it is for departmental Ministers to answer commissions undertake special reviews during 2008-09, Parliamentary Questions on issues pertaining to their those reviews will be completed and published by the department’s responsibilities. The Government believe, end of that year so that the CQC can properly plan its however, that regional Ministers should be accountable own programme of future reviews. WA 253 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 254

Earl Howe asked Her Majesty’s Government: Health: Drug Tariff How specific recommendations made by the Healthcare Commission on the performance of Baroness Masham of Ilton asked Her Majesty’s healthcare providers will be followed up and monitored Government: by the Care Quality Commission when it is established, In which areas of the drug tariff the NHS efficiency with particular reference to patient safety issues target is used to determine the annual fee increase and compliance with core standards. [HL4973] formula for remuneration. [HL4995]

Lord Darzi of Denham: The Care Quality Commission The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, (CQC) will become responsible for the regulation of Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): The health and adult social care providers from April National Health Service efficiency target is one of the 2009. To ensure continuity, the CQC will, in designing factors used in the annual uplift formula for pharmacy the systems and methodologies necessary for carrying remuneration through the fees and allowances set out out its regulatory functions, build on the work of the in the drug tariff. bodies that it will replace. This will include taking into account any recommendations made by its predecessor bodies about any particular provider to ensure that Health: Herbal Products patient safety is not compromised and providers continue to meet all necessary regulatory requirements. From Lord Pearson of Rannoch asked Her Majesty’s April 2010, the new CQC will move to a common Government: system of registration for all providers of regulated health and adult social care. What steps they have taken to establish whether chromatographic fingerprinting is an appropriate The department recently carried out a 12-week requirement in the testing of multi-ingredient herbal consultation on what the essential requirements of remedies which are to be registered under the traditional safety and quality of care should be that providers herbal medicinal products directive (2004/24/EC); have to meet in order to maintain their registration. and what estimate they have made of the cost of The responses to the consultation are currently being commissioning such tests for a single product analysed and the Government’s response will be published containing several herbal ingredients; and [HL5032] in due course. When was the last occasion on which (a) Ministers, and (b) officials of the Medicines and Healthcare Earl Howe asked Her Majesty’s Government: products Regulatory Agency met representatives of What arrangements will be made to ensure that the European Commission to discuss the impact of the Healthcare Commission’s investigations of the traditional herbal medicinal products directive complaints which are ongoing when the commission (2004/24/EC) upon specialist manufacturers, retailers is dissolved are officially followed through and and consumers of herbal remedies; and what the concluded. [HL4974] outcomes of any such meetings were. [HL5033]

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Lord Darzi of Denham: The Parliamentary and Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): Health Service Ombudsman has confirmed that she Chromatographic fingerprinting is an accepted will take responsibility for any complaint that has methodology in the analysis of herbal products and been received by the Healthcare Commission and has has been included in European guidelines and the not been concluded prior to its abolition. European Pharmacopoeia since the early 1990s. With regard to multi-ingredient herbal medicinal products, it is recognised that identification and assay of individual Health: Cord Blood herbal ingredients in the herbal product is difficult to perform and sometimes impossible. The European Committee on Herbal Medicinal Products has recently Baroness Tonge asked Her Majesty’s Government: developed a guideline, in consultation with industry, What action is taken by NHS Cord Blood Bank that addresses the issue of multi-ingredient herbal in relation to cord blood units collected which are products. The guideline states that if testing for identity or assay or to demonstrate stability cannot be performed not suitable for transplant. [HL4934] in the herbal product, alternative strategies may be considered. The guideline refers to appropriate fingerprint The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, chromatograms, appropriate overall methods of assay Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): The and physical or other appropriate tests. The applicant NHS Cord Blood Bank asks prospective mothers, is therefore able to select appropriate methods and when they register to donate their cord blood, to justify their use. consent to its use for transplantation and research The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory purposes. If the cord blood donation is not suitable Agency (MHRA) submitted evidence in 2007 to the for clinical or research purposes or if consent has not Commission’s review of directive 2004/24/EC. In addition, been given to use it for research, then it is disposed of the MHRA has had a number of opportunities—for appropriately. example, through sharing a platform at conferences—to WA 255 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 256 update Commission officials on the agency’s early contribute towards the cost of additional dispensing experience of the expending number of companies services that it is proposed that every dispensing appliance submitting applications under the traditional herbal contractor and pharmacy contractor in England should registration scheme. be required to provide as part of their essential service provision for items that they supply in the normal Health: Medical Records course of their business. Such services include the home delivery of items if the patient requires it. Baroness Tonge asked Her Majesty’s Government: Earl Howe asked Her Majesty’s Government: What plans they have for allowing NHS patients Whether the exclusion from the 2 per cent reduction to be responsible for their own medical records in price reimbursements of manufacturers by the when they do not wish them to be on the NHS National Health Service for items listed in proposed database. [HL4768] new Arrangements under Part IX of the Drug Tariff for the Provision of Stoma and Incontinence The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Appliances—and Related Services—to Primary Care— Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): Patients June 2008 is limited to companies with a turnover are able to opt out of having their clinical information of less than £5 million based only on their turnover uploaded to the “spine”, the national database of key in the United Kingdom according to the Prescription information about patients’ health and care within the Pricing Division published figures or less than NHS Care Records Service, by choosing not to have £5 million based on their turnover including non- summary care record. Clinicians are none the less United Kingdom activities. [HL4920] required by their professional bodies, and for clinical governance and medico-legal reasons, to keep clear, Lord Darzi of Denham: The review of Arrangements accurate, legible and contemporaneous patient records, under Part IX of the Drug Tariff for the Provision of and to keep these secure and confidential. Stoma and Incontinence Appliances—and Related It is good practice for all those who provide care to Services—to Primary Care applies to England only. patients to discuss and agree with them what they are Copies of this publication have already been placed in going to record and, if asked, to show what they have the Library. As noted, it has been proposed that recorded and to provide copies of any letters they manufacturers who have applied directly to the write. In this way all patients are able to have responsibility Prescription Pricing Division for a product to be listed for the content, accuracy and completeness of their on the drug tariff can apply for an exemption from the own records in whatever form they are kept. proposed 2 per cent reduction in reimbursement provided Since December 2003, we have provided the facility that their net ingredient cost (NIC)* in the 12 months for patients to store their personal health information preceding the announcement of any new arrangements on a secure website, HealthSpace. This effectively provides for items listed in Part IXA (catheter), Part IXB and people with their own on-line personal health organiser. Part IXC was less than £5.6 million. It is a free service available to all National Health Notes: Service patients living in England aged 16 and over. *NIC on stoma and incontinence products dispensed in England HealthSpace offers a set of basic features to support in the 12 months preceding the announcement of any new people in managing their health, including a diary arrangements. feature with a calendar/reminder service and address Earl Howe asked Her Majesty’s Government: book; personal health history with the ability to record key metrics for chronic disease management, for example How the Department of Health will ensure that weight, cholesterol levels, blood pressure, and blood the link between the NHS efficiency target and the sugar levels; a search system for local NHS services annual price increase mechanism for remuneration information; and access to the choose and book online in the Proposed New Arrangements under Part IX of booking service. the Drug Tariff for the Provision of Stoma and Urology Appliances—and Related Services—in Primary In 2007, HealthSpace also started providing people Care: A Consultation—June 2008 does not result in in areas covered by the NHS Summary Care Record future price reductions which lead directly to product Early Adopter Programme with the option of on-line withdrawals. [HL4921] access to their summary care records. Eventually, this option will be available to all NHS patients in England. Lord Darzi of Denham: No new arrangements for a price increase mechanism have been agreed, as the Health: Urology Appliances consultation is ongoing. Therefore, the department is unable to comment until such time as all responses to Earl Howe asked Her Majesty’s Government: the consultation have been received and analysed. Whether they will ensure the adequate funding of home delivery for single line prescription items House of Lords: IT in relation to urology appliances. [HL4919] Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Committees: Department of Health (Lord Darzi of Denham): Home How many computers provided by PICT to delivery is a related service that many patients value. members of the House of Lords are retained (a) Consequently, views are sought on the fees proposed outside the parliamentary estate, and (b) inside the in the current consultation which are intended to parliamentary estate. [HL4962] WA 257 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 258

The Chairman of Committees (Lord Brabazon of Financial Year Total cost of printers Tara): Members are entitled to a desktop computer for use in their parliamentary office and to a laptop 2007-08 £25,433.78 computer for use at any location. One hundred and 2006-07 £34,777.22 ninety eight desktop computers and 328 laptop computers 2005-06 £26,645.21 are currently on loan to Members from PICT. 2004-05 £57,601.91

Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of Committees: Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of What is the total cost of computers provided to Committees: Members of the House of Lords for use (a) within What is the cost of providing peripheral equipment the parliamentary estate, and (b) outside the for the information technology needs of Members parliamentary estate, in each of the past four years. of the House of Lords in each of the last four years. [HL4963] [HL4966]

The Chairman of Committees: The cost in each of The Chairman of Committees: Keyboards, mice and the past four years of providing Members with desktop computer screens are included in the purchase price of computers for use in their parliamentary offices and the desktop or laptop computer where appropriate. laptop computers for use at any location is as follows: Other peripheral items are obtained in negligible quantities and the cost is not recorded separately. Desktop computers Laptop Financial Year (including monitors) computers Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of Committees: 2007-08 £37,013.20 £56,513.85 2006-07 £59,300.25 £132,917.50 What are the terms of the Dell contract for the 2005-06 £37,053.15 £58,911.00 supply of information technology equipment to the 2004-05 £118,396.52 £170,434.57 House of Lords. [HL4967] The Chairman of Committees: The contract with Dell for the supply of information technology equipment Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of to the Houses of Parliament is subject to the Houses’ Committees: normal procurement terms and conditions. In addition, What is the annual cost of PICT or its predecessor there are specific terms relating to the service, such as in the House of Lords in each of the last four years. supply of equipment within 28 days of placement of [HL4964] an order and measures to ensure prices remain competitive. Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of The Chairman of Committees: Prior to the creation Committees: of PICT on 1 January 2006, the House of Lords paid 15 per cent of the costs of the Parliamentary What was the cost of supplying inkjet cartridges Communications Directorate. The House now pays to Members of the House of Lords in each of the 20 per cent of the costs of PICT. The annual expenditure last four years; and [HL4989] by the House on central ICT services and equipment What was the cost of supplying laser toner cartridges in each of the last four financial years is as follows: to Members of the House of Lords in each of the last four years. [HL4990] Financial Year £000s The Chairman of Committees: The cost of supplying 2007-08 4,857 printer cartridges to Members of the House of Lords 2006-07 4,290 in each of the past four years is as follows: 2005-06 2,663 2004-05 2,403 Financial Year Total cost of printers

2007-08 £49,955 Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of 2006-07 £36,045 Committees: 2005-06 £29,630 2004-05 £ 18,971 What is the cost of providing printers to Members of the House of Lords for use (a) within the A breakdown of costs between inkjet and laser Parliamentary Estate, and (b) outside the Parliamentary toner cartridges is not recorded. Estate, in each of the last four years. [HL4965] Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of The Chairman of Committees: The range of printers Committees: provided by PICT to Members includes models that What is (a) the cost, (b) the name of the suppliers, can be used both within and outside the Parliamentary and (c) the manufacturer’s item number of (1) Estate. It is not, therefore, possible to break down cost mobile phones, (2) printers, and (3) computer by location. The total cost in each of the past four equipment available to Members of the House of years of providing Members with printers is as follows: Lords following advice from PICT. [HL4991] WA 259 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 260

The Chairman of Committees: Members of the The Chairman of Committees (Lord Brabazon of House of Lords are entitled to the loan of one personal Tara): The House authorities endeavour to provide digital assistant or one Smartphone from PICT. These photocopiers in communal areas that fulfil the needs devices can be used as mobile phones. At present, of users while retaining ease of operation and Members can select one of three devices, which range maintenance. The user requirements are for reasonably in price from £240.00 to £405.00 excluding VAT. basic functions that include the ability to make multiple The information requested regarding printers and copies, double-sided if required, and for the machine computer equipment is as follows: to collate documents. These requirements were taken into consideration during the tender process in 2005 to Supplier Item number Cost contract photocopiers for the Palace and the outbuildings and will be taken into account again during the tender Printer Dell 1720dn £170.00 exercise this autumn to replace the photocopiers in Printer Computacenter Canon PIXMA iP100 £139.64 Fielden House. Printer Computacenter HP OfficeJet Pro L7680 £207.55 Computer Dell OptiPlex 755SF 2GB £379.60 Equipment Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of Computer Dell 1708 HAS Flat Panel Monitor £151.25 Committees: Equipment What was the cost for each of the past four years Computer Dell Latitude D630 Laptop £678.25 Equipment of the provision of photocopiers in communal areas Computer Dell Latitude D430 Laptop £720.00 of the House of Lords. [HL4994] Equipment The Chairman of Committees: Eight photocopiers Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of are provided in communal areas within the Lords area Committees: of the Palace of Westminster and nine photocopiers are provided in the Lords outbuildings. The rental cost What arrangements are in place for reviewing of these photocopiers for each of the past four years is the procurement requirements for information as follows: technology equipment available to the House of Lords and its Members. [HL4992] 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08

The Chairman of Committees: The procurement of Palace £7,960 £5,478 £5,669 £5,669 hardware equipment is either subject to competitive Outbuildings £7,417 £6,001 £5,864 £5,864 tender or covered by an existing government procurement Total £15,377 £11,479 £11,533 £11,533 framework. The prime supplier is subject to regular service and product reviews. Where existing products Housing: Affordability do not meet the needs of Members, additional products will be identified. Additional products can be sourced from alternative suppliers if required. Lord Taylor of Holbeach asked Her Majesty’s The supply of equipment to Members will be subject Government: to a new procurement exercise in the next one to two Further to the Written Answer by Baroness Andrews years. Consultation with Members on future requirements on 1 July (WA 29–30), whether the use of the will form part of the procurement exercise. definition of affordable housing, published in Planning Policy Statement 3—Housing for measuring Housing Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of Affordability Pressure in the consultation paper Committees: Eco-towns, Living a greener future is adequate for What consideration has been given to extending that purpose; and [HL4886] the life of all information technology equipment made available to Members of the House of Lords Whether the use of the criterion Housing under manufacturers’ or suppliers’ guarantees. Affordability Pressure in the consultation paper Eco-towns, Living a greener future is comparable [HL5055] across all the bids received. [HL4945] The Chairman of Committees: Support agreements of three years were formerly obtained for computer The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, equipment, including printers. New equipment is now Department for Communities and Local Government acquired with four years’ extended warranty. The current (Baroness Andrews): The definition of housing affordability approach will be reviewed within the next one to two pressure is “the ratio of lower quartile house price to years as part of a new tender for the supply of hardware. lower quartile earnings”. This is reported annually by district and can be found on the department’s website at: House of Lords: Photocopiers http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/ housing/xls/152924.xls. Lord Campbell-Savours asked the Chairman of This was used to calculate housing affordability in Committees: the districts where an eco-town was proposed. The What consideration is being given to the provision Government’s definition of affordable housing of minimal function photocopying in communal appears in Planning Policy Statement 3 - Housing and areas the House of Lords. [HL4993] was quoted in the Written Answer of 1 July. WA 261 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 262

Housing affordability pressure in locations where The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, eco-towns were proposed was one of a number of Department for Communities and Local Government criteria used to shortlist eco-town proposals. When (Baroness Andrews): The stakeholder panel was conducted assessing all bids, the same basket of criteria was used under the Chatham House rule prohibiting the attribution to arrive at an overall grading for each location. of comments to individuals present.

Housing: Design Housing: Mortgages Lord Patten asked Her Majesty’s Government: To what public bodies South Somerset District Lord Ouseley asked Her Majesty’s Government: Council may apply for help in relation to the promotion Whether they will make resources available to of good housing design within that area. [HL4982] enable local authorities to provide mortgages to first-time buyers. [HL5026] The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Communities and Local Government (Baroness Andrews): There are a range of public bodies The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, that local authorities can apply to for help in relation Department for Communities and Local Government to the promotion of good housing design within their (Baroness Andrews): We are currently considering a area. The choice between these bodies would depend number of options for helping the state of the housing on the specific advice and support that the local market and the availability of mortgages, but we have authority is seeking. no plans to make resources available to local authorities to provide mortgages to first-time buyers. The Commission for Architecture and Built Environment (CABE), which is sponsored by DCMS Local authorities already have this power and can and supported by my department, can provide expert do so if they wish. advice on proposed schemes and practical assistance on visioning, masterplanning and public space projects Immigration: Cost of Applications through their Design Review and Enabling Services. The Advisory Team for Large Applications (ATLAS), which is hosted by English Partnerships, offers guidance Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: on strategic and complex planning applications around Further to the Written Answer by Lord West of the delivery of large housing or regeneration projects, Spithead on 15 July (WA 140) concerning the cost including around design. The Academy for Sustainable of immigration applications, why no consideration Communities (ASC) can advise and assist local authorities is given to the length of time an applicant has lived in assessing and developing the generic skill base that in the United Kingdom as a taxpayer when the cost they need to create and maintain better places and of an immigration application is calculated. deliver good quality housing. [HL5044]

Housing: Development The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord West of Spithead): The costs of processing Lord Patten asked Her Majesty’s Government: an application do not vary according to the length of In the light of current rates of building of new time that a person has spent in the UK as a taxpayer. houses, what action they will take to prevent developers It is right that all applicants pay towards the costs of whose planning permissions are due to expire from processing the application to cover these costs. carrying out interim minor building works that For applications that are set above the cost of leave the site substantially undeveloped with consequent delivery, it is right that those who use the system most adverse landscape effects. [HL4981] and who benefit most from the services and applications The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, that we offer contribute most to the end costs of the Department for Communities and Local Government immigration system. (Baroness Andrews): There is no evidence to support the view that developers deliberately “land bank” by Immigration: Failed Asylum Seekers carrying out minimal works to a site so as to meet commencement of development conditions for planning permission. We therefore have no plans to change Lord Roberts of Llandudno asked Her Majesty’s planning legislation in this respect. Government: How many failed asylum seekers were returned Housing: Home Information Packs to Sudan in the past three years. [HL4642]

Lord Taylor of Holbeach asked Her Majesty’s The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Government: Office (Lord West of Spithead): Forty-five Sudanese Further to the Written Answer by Baroness Andrews asylum applicants (including dependants) were removed on1July(WA 30), whether the Chatham House or departed voluntarily to Sudan in 2005, with 75 in rule prohibits reporting the subject-matter of 2006 and 65 in 2007. Figures include persons departing discussions or only the attribution of detail to voluntarily after enforcement action had been initiated individuals present. [HL4746] against them, persons leaving under assisted voluntary WA 263 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 264 return programmes run by the International Organisation Lord Campbell-Savours asked Her Majesty’s for Migration and those whom it is established have Government: left the UK without informing the immigration authorities. What reports Ministers and officials have received Figures are rounded to the nearest five, and information of an article in Alia by Zuram Kachlishvili on for 2006 and 2007 is provisional. alleged illegal activity in United Kingdom entry Further national statistics on asylum removals from visa applications in Tbilisi, Georgia; and what response the UK are available from the Library of the House they have made. [HL3414] and the Home Office’s research, development and statistics website at: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/ Lord West of Spithead: The United Kingdom Border immigration-asylum-stats.html. Agency is currently investigating the noble Lord’s It is not possible to say what stage in the asylum concerns. I will write to the noble Lord and place a process the returnees as a whole have reached at the copy of my response in the House Library. time of their removal, including whether their claim Lord Campbell-Savours asked Her Majesty’s has failed at that point, because those departing voluntarily Government: can do so at any stage. On 9 July 2008, Ministers announced that the Further to the decision of the Immigration and Government have deferred enforcing the return of Asylum Tribunal in the case of Anna Zurabishvili, non-Arab Darfuri asylum seekers to Sudan pending what action they will take to ensure that entry the outcome of a country guidance case that is due to clearance officers comply with immigration law in be heard by the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal in decisions on visa applications for entry into the the near future. The case, originally listed to be heard United Kingdom. [HL3425] in May, is currently waiting to be relisted and will Lord West of Spithead: The United Kingdom Border address the safety of return to Khartoum. Agency is currently investigating the noble Lord’s concerns. I will write to the noble Lord and place a Immigration: Georgia copy of my response in the House Library. Lord Campbell-Savours asked Her Majesty’s Lord Campbell-Savours asked Her Majesty’s Government: Government: Further to the decision of the Immigration and Whether the identity of the person known as Asylum Tribunal in the case of Anna Zurabishvili, Teona is known to entry clearance officials at the what assurances are to be provided to applicants for British Embassy in Tbilisi, Georgia. [HL3410] entry visas that action taken by them to exercise their rights under immigration law are not used by The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home entry clearance officers in Georgia as grounds for Office (Lord West of Spithead): The United Kingdom refusal of entry into the United Kingdom. [HL3426] Border Agency is currently investigating the noble Lord’s concerns. I will write to the noble Lord and Lord West of Spithead: The United Kingdom Border place a copy of my response in the House Library. Agency is currently investigating the noble Lord’s concerns. I will write to the noble Lord and place a copy of my response in the House Library. Lord Campbell-Savours asked Her Majesty’s Government: Lord Campbell-Savours asked Her Majesty’s Whether inquiries at the British Embassy in Georgia Government: have been carried out to establish whether the person On what dates the person who prepared the known as Teona had contacted persons in the British Refusal of Entry Clearance document on 1 April Embassy. [HL3411] 2005, and the entry clearance officer who interviewed Anna Zurabishvili on 30 March 2005 were appointed The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home to the Tbilisi Embassy. [HL3427] Office (Lord West of Spithead): The United Kingdom Border Agency is currently investigating the noble Lord West of Spithead: The United Kingdom Border Lord’s concerns. I will write to the noble Lord and Agency is currently investigating the noble Lord’s place a copy of my response in the House Library. concerns. I will write to the noble Lord and place a copy of my response in the House Library. Lord Campbell-Savours asked Her Majesty’s Government: Immigration: Harmondsworth Whether they have received evidence of any The Earl of Sandwich asked Her Majesty’s organisation’s illegal involvement in visa applications Government: for entry into the United Kingdom by citizens of What factors have contributed to the success of Georgia. [HL3412] the welfare team at Harmondsworth Immigration Removal Centre since the HM Inspector of Prisons’ Lord West of Spithead: The United Kingdom Border report on Harmondsworth Immigration Removal Agency is currently investigating the noble Lord’s Centre of 2006; what improvements can still be concerns. I will write to the noble Lord and place a made; and how this achievement can be repeated in copy of my response in the House Library. other detention centres. [HL5051] WA 265 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 266

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Details of legal advice available can be found on the Office (Lord West of Spithead): The success of the United Kingdom Border Agency (UKBA) website at: welfare team at Harmondsworth can be attributed to www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylum/helpandadvice/ an expansion in staff, who have been carefully selected legaladvice/. Individuals who are detained prior to for their personal qualities. They are supported and removal are provided with information on contacting empowered by the senior management team at the the Immigration Advisory Service and the Refugee centre to develop their role according to the needs of Legal Centre at the point of detention and subsequently the detainees, and have established a good working at the immigration removal centre. relationship with staff of the local UK Border Agency and other organisations. Industrial Tribunals The work of the team continues to evolve in line with the changing needs of the detainee population. It Lord Monson asked Her Majesty’s Government: seeks to improve the range of assistance that it can provide to detainees. The UK Border Agency is currently In what circumstances industrial tribunals can reviewing its welfare provision in its centres to identify award damages for injury to feelings in the absence and replicate best practice across the estate. of evidence of discrimination on the grounds of gender, race, nationality, age, sexual orientation or disability; and whether there is any maximum amount Immigration: Removal of Children that can be awarded. [HL4656] The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Lord Avebury asked Her Majesty’s Government: Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Whether arrangements are in place to ensure Reform (Baroness Vadera): Injury to feelings must be that children are not removed from the country caused by an act of discrimination. Where there is no when they are unfit to travel and that, where medical evidence of discrimination, an employment tribunal advice is received to this effect, the child and his or cannot make an award for injury to feelings. Where her parents or guardians are granted temporary there is evidence of discrimination, and an award is admission. [HL4658] made for injury to feelings, there is no limit to the amount that can be awarded. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord West of Spithead): The United Kingdom Interception of Communications Border Agency fully considers known information regarding the health of each family member when Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s planning a family removal. Should medical advice Government: suggest that a child is unfit to travel, the removal would be deferred. How they are implementing the recommendations of the Privy Council Review of Intercept as Evidence The policy surrounding family removals can be (30 January 2008, Cm 7324). [HL4547] found in chapter 45 of the enforcement guidance and is publicly available on the UKBA website at: http:// The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/ Office (Lord West of Spithead): In his Statement on policyandlaw/enforcement/detentionandremovals 6 February 2008, my right honourable friend the Prime Cases involving the detention of children are reviewed Minister accepted the recommendation of the Chilcot regularly to ensure that the decision to detain is based review that, on the current circumstances of the case and that “it should be possible to find a way of using some intercept detention remains appropriate. Detention of children material as evidence, provided—and only provided—that certain beyond 28 days is subject to ministerial authorisation. key conditions can be met. Those conditions relate to the most vital imperative of all: safeguarding our national security”.—[Official Report, Commons, 6/2/08; col. 959.] Immigration: Women The Government have made a commitment to take the necessary work forward swiftly, carefully and Baroness Howarth of Breckland asked Her Majesty’s thoroughly. In terms of progress to date, an Government: implementation team has been formed within the Home Office, drawing on the expertise of the intercepting Whether they are aware of any cases where females agencies but separate from them and specifically tasked seeking asylum on the grounds of (a) sexual abuse, with addressing the Chilcot “tests”. This is overseen (b) domestic violence, (c) arranged or forced marriage, by a steering group of the interception community. (d) trafficking, (e) female genital mutilation, or An advisory group of privy counsellors (AGPC) (f) family disputes arising from “honour” crimes has also been established to advise the Government’s have been deported from the United Kingdom without implementation team. It comprises the right honourable being given access to legal advice; and, if so, how Sir John Chilcot, my noble and learned friend Lord many. [HL4941] Archer of Sandwell, the right honourable gentleman the Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed (Sir Alan Beith) The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home from the original Privy Council review, together with Office (Lord West of Spithead): Individuals have access the right honourable gentleman the Member for to legal advice at any time during the asylum process. Folkestone and Hythe (Michael Howard), who has WA 267 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 268 replaced the noble Lord, Lord Hurd of Westwell. This The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, builds on the successful example of the original Chilcot Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory committee. Reform (Baroness Vadera): The Information A work programme has been drawn up and endorsed Commissioner’s Office (ICO) produces advice for by the steering group, AGPC and Ministers. This is individuals about their rights and guidance for now being taken forward. Subject to the Chilcot tests organisations on how to comply with the Data Protection being met, we would hope to bring forward legislation Act 1998 when using personal information and web in due course. sites. It is in contact with Google and other similar companies providing advice on the fair and lawful use of personal information. In January 2007 it published Internet: Communications a personal information toolkit for the general public; in June 2007 it produced guidance to data controllers Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer asked Her about collecting personal information on the internet Majesty’s Government: and in November 2007 it launched a new website to provide tips and advice on safe social networking and Whether they consider that the content of to help young people protect their personal information. communication between an electronic commerce The ICO was also involved in producing an opinion of business and its customers constitutes valuable and all the European data protection authorities which set private commercial intelligence. [HL4901] out the data protection rules for search engine operators. The Government are not planning to instigate a further The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, information campaign. Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory The use of computerised personal information in Reform (Baroness Vadera): It is possible that the content the United Kingdom is regulated by the Data Protection of a communication between an electronic commerce Act 1998. The Information Commissioner administers business and its customers could contain information and enforces the Act independently of the Government. of value to competitors of that business. The Government have made clear to business the importance of protecting The Prime Minister asked Richard Thomas, the commercial information and have announced measures Information Commissioner, and Dr Mark Walport to they are taking to improve the protection of the conduct a consultation on the use and sharing of information that they retain. personal information in the public and private sectors as part of their independent Data Sharing Review. The Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice Internet: Deep Packet Inspection published the report on the Data Sharing Review in July. The impact of technology was one of the issues Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer asked Her covered by the review’s consultation paper and is Majesty’s Government: covered extensively in the final report. More generally, the Government and the Information Commissioner’s What advice have they issued to internet service Office keep legislation under review in light of ever- providers about (a) obtaining consent from, and (b) increasing technological changes in the field of data informing internet users and website owners about, protection. To this end, the Information Commissioner trials of new technologies that utilise deep packet recently commissioned an assessment of the current inspection or cookies or both. [HL4867] legislation.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer asked Her Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Majesty’s Government: Reform (Baroness Vadera): The Government have not Whether they intend to issue further guidance to issued advice to the internet service providers (ISPs) Ofcom on the relationship between internet service on this issue. It is the responsibility of the ISPs to providers, search engines and the public’s awareness reach a view on whether any new service they provide of what information interception, storage and is within the law. monitoring may occur when they use the internet. The Government strongly support the use of [HL4870] technology that supports and enhances, rather than hinders and intrudes upon, the privacy of users’ data. Baroness Vadera: The Office for Communications Both the Information Commissioner and the Home (Ofcom) is the independent regulator for communication Office have offered comments to internet users and service provision in the UK. However, the Information ISPs on aspects of new services aimed at targeted Commissioner’s Office (ICO) has responsibility for advertising. enforcement of the Data Protection Act, and produces advice for individuals about their rights under, and guidance for organisations on how to comply with, Internet: Searches the Data Protection Act 1998 when using personal information and websites. Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer asked Her Ofcom has a role in relation to media literacy, and it Majesty’s Government: will be for Ofcom to decide whether it should commit Whether they are planning to instigate an additional resource to raising users’ awareness of issues information campaign to inform Google users of around personal data on the internet, including possible how their searches are tracked and used. [HL4869] interception, storing and monitoring. WA 269 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 270

Internet: Unencrypted Material Israel and Palestine: Gaza

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer asked Her Majesty’s Government: Lord Hylton asked Her Majesty’s Government: What assessment they have made of the sufficiency What steps they will take to ensure that the level of implied consent for the interception for commercial of supplies of food, fuel and humanitarian goods purposes of internet users’ unencrypted communications entering Gaza is restored to that specified in the by internet service providers. [HL4900] agreement on movement and access, notwithstanding minor breaches of the ceasefire. [HL4578] The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Lord Tunnicliffe: The 15 November 2005 Agreement Reform (Baroness Vadera): Consent is a vital element on Movement and Access (AMA) does not specify of the Data Protection Act and any organisation that levels of supplies to Gaza. The UK continues to call offers a service which involves the use of personal on both parties to implement the AMA and has information has to be clear on how consent should be repeatedly raised its concerns about the continued obtained. Any judgement about the adequacy of such restrictions on access to Gaza with the Israeli Government, arrangements is a matter for the Office of the Information in public and in private. Most recently, we and other Commissioner as the enforcement body for data protection EU member states expressed concerns about access legislation in the UK. restrictions faced by the UN in providing assistance to Palestinian refugees in a letter from the European Iraq and Afghanistan: Northern Ireland Union presidency and the European Commission to Regiments the Israeli authorities on 27 June. More tangibly, the UK will also support a UN access team to help get humanitarian supplies and personnel through crossings Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: and checkpoints. Whether they will hold a reception and parade in Moves towards a ceasefire in Gaza are very welcome. Northern Ireland for those service people who have The ceasefire is an important first step to improve the served in Iraq and Afghanistan, as requested in a daily lives of ordinary people on both sides. We hope recent campaign organised by the Belfast News that the militant groups will fulfil their commitment to Letter. [HL5007] cease attacks on Israel, and that Israel will ease restrictions on Gaza in line with its own commitments, ensuring The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry that humanitarian aid and supplies can get through. of Defence (Baroness Taylor of Bolton): I refer the We need to build on the opportunity that the ceasefire noble Lord to the Answer that I gave on 17 July 2008, represents by working towards the reopening of the (Official Report, WA 187). crossings between Israel and Gaza, under the control of the Palestinian Authority. Iraq: Displaced People

Lord Hylton asked Her Majesty’s Government: Judicial Appointments Whether they will raise with the relevant authorities the lack of ration cards for 30,000 displaced Iraqis Lord Maginnis of Drumglass asked Her Majesty’s living in the Nineveh plains. [HL4236] Government: Further to the Written Answers by Lord Hunt of Lord Tunnicliffe: The Department for International Kings Heath on 2 July (WA 41-42) on appointments Development (DfID) is in close touch with the World to the Northern Ireland Judicial Appointments Food Programme (WFP), the largest provider of food Commission, to what extent the Lord Chancellor assistance in Iraq, about those internally displaced has carried out his statutory “community-reflective” people (IDPs) in the Nineveh plains who are currently responsibilities in making appointments to the without ration cards. commission. [HL4888] Until recently, the WFP has been unable to operate in this area due to security concerns. However, during the next few weeks, it is due to commence an operation The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry to distribute food to IDPs who have moved to the of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): The Justice Nineveh plains from other governorates and who have (NI) Act 2002 provides that the Lord Chancellor, registered with the Iraqi Ministry of Migration but are when making appointments to the Northern Ireland currently without ration cards. Judicial Appointments Commission, is to make such Funding for this food distribution operation will arrangements as will, so far as is practicable, secure come from the $83 million which has been earmarked that the membership of the commission is reflective of by the WFP to assist 750,000 IDPs in Iraq. DfID has the community in Northern Ireland. The recent scheme made a contribution in 2008 of £2 million to the WFP to appoint a lay member to the commission included for this work. The Iraqi Government have recently an outreach programme to give effect to the Lord announced the provision of $40 million to the WFP. Chancellor’s statutory duty in this regard. WA 271 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 272

Justice: Children and Young People The Earl of Listowel asked Her Majesty’s Government: When the results of the child evidence review The Earl of Listowel asked Her Majesty’s Government: consultation will be published. [HL4988] What help there is for children and young people giving evidence in criminal proceedings. [HL4983] Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: We are intending to publish the response to the consultation document The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry Improving the Criminal Trial Process for Young Witnesses of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): The Government in the autumn. The publication of the government have introduced a number of special measures to help response has been delayed due to the need to analyse young witnesses achieve their best evidence. These the volume of responses to the large number of questions include video-recorded evidence-in-chief, evidence by asked in the consultation paper. live link, screens around the witness box and giving evidence with the assistance of an intermediary. National roll-out of the intermediary special measure is now Landmines almost complete. These special measures are available subject to the agreement of the court. An independent Lord Morris of Manchester asked Her Majesty’s evaluation in 2004 found that 76 per cent of young Government: witnesses were satisfied with special measures. What funding they provided in matching the Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fund’s help for The Earl of Listowel asked Her Majesty’s Government: Landmine Disability Support’s work in Cambodia; Whether they plan to give all young witnesses and what support they are giving the charity to access to a young witness support worker. [HL4984] make the wider importance of its achievements known. [HL4245] Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: Dedicated support already exists for young witnesses. In cases where a charge is Lord Tunnicliffe: The Department for International brought, young witnesses have access to support from Development (DfID) supported Landmine Disability joint police/Crown Prosecution Service witness care Support’s work in Cambodia from January 2003 to units. These provide the young person or their parent/ March 2007 with a grant of £147,000 through the guardian with information about the progress of the Civil Society Challenge Fund. case. In cases that go to trial, they will undertake a The fund requires that all projects include an element detailed needs assessment to provide support and of dissemination of information and networking. The information to attend court. This will include the grant for Landmine Disability Support made a provision relevant Young Witness information pack. of £7,525 for information, promotion and educational At court itself, the witness service provides support materials. to young witnesses in every criminal court in England and Wales. In 2006-07, the most recent year for which figures are available, Victim Support’s witness service Licensing: Music helped almost 31,000 young witnesses (under-18). Some areas offer additional support from young witness Lord Clement-Jones asked Her Majesty’s Government: support schemes. What is their current timetable for conducting a public consultation on licensing exemptions for low-risk The Earl of Listowel asked Her Majesty’s Government: musical performances; and whether this consultation When a toolkit will be available for children and will take place over the summer. [HL4889] young people who give evidence in criminal proceedings; and [HL4985] Lord Davies of Oldham: DCMS is currently developing Whether there is to be consultation on what will options for consultation to exempt low impact (de be in a toolkit for children and young people giving minimis) licensing activities from the scope of the evidence in criminal proceedings; and [HL4986] Licensing Act 2003. As part of that work we are What information will be provided in the toolkit taking into account the recommendations made by for children and young people giving evidence in the Live Music Forum and discussing draft exemptions with representatives of the music sector. We are aiming criminal proceedings. [HL4987] to consult from the autumn and to have exemptions in place by the spring 2009. Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: The Government plan to issue a toolkit based on an evaluation of six existing young witness support schemes to help practitioners Mauritania: Economic Migrants establish local schemes to support young witnesses. We have worked with practitioners on the content of Viscount Waverley asked Her Majesty’s Government: the toolkit and will continue to do so on our plans to distribute the toolkit and to encourage and support What assistance is given to Mauritania by the areas to adopt the good practice. We expect to be able European Union to cover humanitarian and onward to issue the toolkit this autumn and subsequently repatriation costs of economic migrants returned support areas to adopt good practice. to Mauritania by Spain. [HL4413] WA 273 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 274

Lord Tunnicliffe: The UK Government do not hold Lord Astor of Hever asked Her Majesty’s Government: data on how much assistance is given to Mauritania When they expect (a) HMS “Queen Elizabeth”, by the EU to cover humanitarian and onward repatriation and (b) HMS “Prince of Wales” to reach initial costs. We know that most migrants who make their operating capability. [HL4911] way from Mauritania to Spain through irregular channels are not Mauritanian nationals. In response to the increased numbers in 2006, the European Commission Baroness Taylor of Bolton: Initial operating capability provided a programme of assistance, financed under is expected to be declared once the vessels have successfully the rapid response mechanism, for a period of six completed a period of sea training and inspection. months. The budget for the unit as a whole was This is expected to take approximately four months ¤2.45 million, and one element of the programme was following the in-service dates, which have been previously assistance with voluntary returns. announced as 2014 and 2016.

Motorists: First Aid Navy: Fleet Tankers

Lord Dykes asked Her Majesty’s Government: Lord Astor of Hever asked Her Majesty’s Government: What steps they will take to promote a campaign When they expect to let contracts for fleet tankers of first aid training for motorists. [HL5066] to replace the currently serving Royal Fleet Auxiliary tankers under the Military Afloat Reach and Lord Bassam of Brighton: In 2007, the Highway Sustainability programme. [HL4912] Code and other official driver learning materials were substantially revised, including the content relating to The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry first aid advice for road users. Every theory test taken of Defence (Baroness Taylor of Bolton): The main by learner drivers and riders contains at least one investment decision for the fleet tanker element of the first-aid question drawn from an item bank of 42 such Military Afloat Reach and Sustainability (MARS) questions. The item bank was recently expanded, with programme is currently expected to be made during input from technical experts, including St John Ambulance. 2009. A contract will be placed with industry after Candidates should, therefore, learn about first aid as that decision has been taken. part of their preparation for the theory test. Nigeria: British High Commission National Security Lord Marlesford asked Her Majesty’s Government: Baroness Neville-Jones asked Her Majesty’s Government: How many Nigerian citizens are employed in the What progress they have made on consultations administration of visa applications at the British for establishing (a) a joint parliamentary national high commission offices in (1) Abuja and (2) security committee; and (b) a National Security Lagos. [HL4684] Forum, as outlined in the March 2008 National Security Strategy of the United Kingdom (Cm 7291). The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home [HL4546] Office (Lord West of Spithead): The total numbers of locally engaged staff employed in the visa sections at The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton our high commission in Abuja and deputy high of Upholland): The Government expect to put forward commission in Lagos are 56 and 109 respectively. The their proposals shortly. majority are Nigerian citizens, but the precise number is not available at present, as a breakdown of such staff by nationality is not routinely kept. Navy: Aircraft Carriers Decisions on visa applications are made only by entry clearance officers (ECOs). Both posts in Nigeria Lord Astor of Hever asked Her Majesty’s Government: employ several locally engaged ECOs. They are all What assurances they have received from the British citizens and have been trained and received contractors concerning the in-service date of (a) HMS security clearance to the same level as ECOs posted “Queen Elizabeth”; and (b) HMS “Prince of from the UK. Wales”. [HL4910] Northern Ireland Office: Bonuses The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Defence (Baroness Taylor of Bolton): The contractors Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: of the Aircraft Carrier Alliance signed a legally binding agreement with the MoD on 3 July 2008 to deliver the Further to the Written Answer by Lord Rooker two future aircraft carriers in 2014 and 2016 respectively. on 15 July (WA142) concerning bonuses for employees Moreover, timely delivery will allow the contractors to of the Northern Ireland Office, what contingency is reduce their costs and thereby maximise their reward made for bonuses in the allocation of funds to each under the incentive arrangements within the contract. department. [HL5045] WA 275 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 276

Lord Davies of Oldham: The decision on what Baroness Crawley: Those who perform the role of proportion of their pay to spend on bonuses is delegated monitors do so on a voluntary basis and are not to departments within the overall limits on pay set by subject to employment considerations. the Treasury. Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: Further to the Written Answer by Lord Rooker Pakistan: DfID on 14 July (WA 122) concerning the amounts paid to Northern Ireland parades commissioners, what were their terms and conditions of employment; Lord Hylton asked Her Majesty’s Government: and what was paid to each commissioner since Under what headings the £480 million earmarked 2005. [HL5043] by the Department for International Development for development work in Pakistan during 2008–11 Baroness Crawley: Information relating to the parades will be broken down; and what safeguards there commissioners’ remuneration, terms and conditions will be to ensure that the expenditure benefits those and individual salaries can be found in the Parades most in need. [HL4691] Commission annual report and financial statements. Copies of these reports are held in the Library. Lord Tunnicliffe: The £480 million that the Department for International Development (DfID) plans to provide People Trafficking: Operation to Pakistan in aid between 2008 and 2011 is a commitment Pentameter 2 included in the development partnership agreement signed by Prime Ministers Tony Blair and Shaukat Aziz in November 2006. Pakistan has made commitments Lord Hylton asked Her Majesty’s Government: in this arrangement to poverty reduction, sound public What arrangements were made for the adults financial management and respect for human rights. recovered by Operation Pentameter 2 and considered The funds that we are making available will be to have been trafficked, other than the 46 persons committed under four headings as set out in the assisted by the Poppy project. [HL4897] country plan, which was recently launched by the Secretary of State for International Development in The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry Pakistan. These headings are: of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): A comprehensive giving people access to better health and education victims’ strategy was developed for Operation services; Pentameter 2. This included advice for front-line police making government more effective (by helping to on appropriate victim engagement; guidance on onward improve capability, accountability and responsiveness referral to support in the United Kingdom or through of government systems); the International Organisation for Migration voluntary return schemes; and the provision of a 30-day reflection making growth work for everyone, through more and recovery period for all identified victims. During sustainable and inclusive policies and programmes; the campaign, the Office for Criminal Justice Reform and invested additional resources into the Poppy project, ensuring that the international community works which resulted in service-level agreements being put in better together to improve development outcomes. place with refuges across the country. The Scottish DfID has a rigorous set of procedures to safeguard Government put aside additional resources to reimburse funding and ensure that it benefits those most in need. local authorities for the cost of supporting victims Overall progress on the country programme is measured with no recourse to public funds during the campaign. by means of quantifiable, time-bound targets, supported by a detailed business plan. Individual programmes and projects also include a performance measurement Police: Northern Ireland framework with measurable targets. Progress against these targets is assessed by means of annual reviews. Lord Hylton asked Her Majesty’s Government: These reviews, which also include a comprehensive When the police historic enquiries team in Northern risk analysis, ensure that DfID funds are being used Ireland is expected to complete its work; and whether effectively and are achieving their intended results. the backlog of work is having an impact on police operations. [HL4895]

Parades: Northern Ireland Lord Tunnicliffe: Current assessment indicates that, given the complexity of many cases being investigated and HET’s commitment to ensure families receive as Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: much information as possible, it is unlikely the work Further to the Written Answer by Lord Rooker will be completed within the original timescale. The on 14 July (WA 120) concerning the employment Chief Constable has already indicated his commitment of monitors by the Northern Ireland Parades to the process beyond this point. However, a definite Commission, what equality process is used in employing decision on the way forward will be best taken after monitors. [HL5042] the forthcoming report from the Consultative Group WA 277 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 278 on the Past and the recent NIAC report. As funding of The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry HET is in addition to the main policing budget, the of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): Prison cells are backlog of work is having minimal impact on police certified as prisoner accommodation in accordance operations. with Section 14 of the Prison Service Act 1952 and Prison Service Order (PSO) 1900. This requires prisoner Political Parties: Funding accommodation and capacities to be certified in accordance with defined standards. Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: Further to the Written Answer by Lord Rooker Prisons: Chaplains on 14 July 2008 (WA 125) concerning political donations, whether the difference in treatment between Lord Avebury asked Her Majesty’s Government: Irish citizens and British citizens living in the Republic What consultations they held with the prison of Ireland is compatible with the principle of parity chaplaincy about the effect on chaplaincy meetings of esteem specified in the Belfast agreement of of the standardised core day before saying that the 1998. [HL5041] proposal would have no impact on the key things that go on in establishments to tackle reoffending. Baroness Crawley: Paragraph 1(v) of the Belfast [HL4917] agreement sets out the principles on which the power of the sovereign government with jurisdiction in Northern The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry Ireland shall be exercised, including the principle of of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): In preparation parity of esteem for the identity, ethos and aspirations for the implementation of the standardised core day, a of both communities in Northern Ireland. project co-ordinator was appointed to liaise with relevant The rules on donations to UK political parties by departments to provide guidance and deal with any individuals living in Northern Ireland are entirely concerns raised. On 16 January 2008 the co-ordinator consistent with this principle; it is open to any individual attended a meeting with area chaplains; on 9 April he on the electoral register in Northern Ireland (or elsewhere attended the chaplaincy national conference and facilitated in the UK) to make such a donation. two workshops. British citizens living in Ireland are subject to the The chaplaincy department was invited to various same rules on political donations to UK political seminars to consider the post-implementation data parties as British citizens living anywhere else outside collation. Further to this, the co-ordinator liaised at a the UK. local level between the chaplaincy and governors when required. Issues raised as a result of discussions were Prisoners: Database collated and a series of Q&A guidance notes were circulated throughout the Prison Service. A further meeting has been arranged with area chaplains in Baroness Quin asked Her Majesty’s Government: September 2008 to obtain feedback. Further to the Written Answer by Lord Hunt of Kings Heath on 25 March (WA 86), whether the new Ministry of Justice database is now in operation. Questions for Written Answer: Late [HL4879] Answers

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry Lord Laird asked the Leader of the House: of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): I am pleased to Further to her Written Answer on 17 December say that the database to which I referred in my earlier 2007 (WA 107) concerning the length of time taken Answer is now operational for casework purposes to answer Parliamentary Questions, what was the within the department’s public protection unit. Much outcome of her discussion with ministerial colleagues of the material contained in the public protection unit on this issue. [HL4340] database (PPUD) has been migrated from other file and IT sources. Measures were taken to quality-assure The Lord President of the Council (Baroness Ashton that information but, as with any large-scale recording of Upholland): I regularly discuss this matter with system with multiple users, the new system remains ministerial colleagues and I have recently written to all subject to possible inaccuracies as a result of data Cabinet colleagues emphasising the importance of entry errors. According to PPUD, as at 31 May 2008, answering Questions for Written Answer within the 3,431 prisoners sentenced to life or to an indeterminate 14-day deadline. My office also regularly reminds sentence of imprisonment for public protection were departments of the importance of responding to Questions being held beyond their tariff expiry date, out a total within the deadline and registers concern with the sentenced population of 11,236 such prisoners. relevant department every time an Answer becomes overdue. Prisons: Cells Lord Jopling asked the Leader of the House: Lord Ramsbotham asked Her Majesty’s Government: Further to her Answer on 10 June (Official Report, Whether they regard and certify prison cells as col. 840), how many of the 10 Questions for Written places of accommodation or places of work. Answer to the Home Office which have been awaiting [HL4905] a reply for a month or more on 26 June come within WA 279 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 280

the responsibility of the Minister of State for Borders Lord Bassam of Brighton: My previous Answer and Immigration and Minister for the West Midlands, confirmed that High Speed 1 is available to any train Mr Liam Byrne. [HL4484] operator that satisfies the requirements of the HS1 network statement. Network Rail (CTRL) Limited, as Baroness Ashton of Upholland: Records show that the infrastructure manager, under the ROGS regulations, 14 Questions on immigration issues were overdue for manages the network statement on behalf of HS1. answer on 30 June. My office is working closely with The network statement informs train operators of the the Home Office to improve the department’s performance rolling stock that can be used and sets out the safety on Questions for Written Answer. requirements and the regulations to be complied with. Network Rail (CTRL) Limited has the responsibility on High Speed 1 to manage applications from train Railways: Blackpool Trams operators that wish to access the railway.The infrastructure managers of Eurotunnel and the French rail network Lord Bradshaw asked Her Majesty’s Government: have the same responsibilities on their respective networks. Whether any proposals have been made concerning the possible connection of the Blackpool tram system with the main line railway between Blackpool South Railways: Procurement and Preston; and, if so, what is their reaction to such a scheme. [HL5029] Lord Bradshaw asked Her Majesty’s Government: Lord Bassam of Brighton: Neither the Department What is the schedule of procurement of the for Transport nor Network Rail has received a formal 1,300 vehicles in the high-level output statement for proposal concerning the possible connection of the the railways. [HL4840] Blackpool tram system with the mainline railway between Blackpool South and Preston. Lord Bassam of Brighton: Procurement of the 1,300 We are, however, aware that a bid for European vehicles will be undertaken by the train operating funding was submitted by ReBlackpool, the urban companies, following negotiations which are currently regeneration company, in May 2008 under the Interreg in hand, and announcements will be made in due 4B programme for a train-tram study to explore the course. Three hundred and seventeen vehicles have viabilities of running a train-tram on the South Fylde already been ordered. line. Railways: Rolling Stock Railways: CCTV

Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: Lord Bradshaw asked Her Majesty’s Government: How many train stations have closed-circuit television Further to the Written Answer by Lord Bassam cameras with face-recognition software; and what of Brighton on 10 July (WA 100), and in the light of plans exist to increase this number. [HL4853] growing rail traffic, what steps they will take to remove the barriers to financial approval of the Lord Bassam of Brighton: The Department for procurement of new rolling stock faced by train Transport does not collect this type of information. operating companies as a result of the length of Following a national review led by the Home Office, most railway franchises. [HL5031] the National Policing Improvement Agency is leading on a national CCTV strategy programme aimed at, Lord Bassam of Brighton: The Department for among other things, setting national standards. This Transport continues to work with train operators to work should lead to changes when equipment is renewed, procure additional vehicles to deliver the additional rather than a campaign programme of change. high level output specification capacity. More than Representatives from the department are members of 5,000 vehicles have been delivered into service in the the steering group alongside colleagues from other past 12 years. The train operator enters into an operating government departments and the police service. lease with the financier for the period of its franchise, and this has not proved to be a barrier to funding of rail vehicles, as the financier takes the longer-term Railways: High Speed 1 view.

Lord Bradshaw asked Her Majesty’s Government: Further to the Written Answer by Lord Bassam Refugees: Sexual Violence of Brighton on 10 July (WA 100), whether the high-speed trains of the German and French railways Baroness Northover asked Her Majesty’s Government: could access the High Speed 1 link between London and the Channel Tunnel; and whether any regulatory What is their response to the recent Save the obstacles to such operation are solely the responsibility Children report No One to Turn To about the of Eurotunnel and the French and British safety involvement of international aid workers in sexual authorities. [HL5030] violence against refugees. [HL4439] WA 281 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 282

Lord Tunnicliffe: The UK takes all allegations of opportunities for funding for cyber-infrastructure research misconduct by UN and other peacekeepers extremely through its Information and Communication Technologies seriously and we welcome Save the Children’s report (ICT) programme, which will be investing £225 million highlighting this grave issue. We support any efforts to in new research grants in the period 2008-09 to 2010-11, protect refugees, particularly the most vulnerable—women and through the Digital Economy programme, which and children—from instances of abuse. will be investing £83 million in new research grants in It remains the case that the vast majority of UN 2008-09 to 2010-11. staff live up to the highest standards of behaviour, The Technology Strategy Board is currently developing while carrying out important work in difficult a UK technology strategy in the areas of “Information circumstances. But, where they do not live up to their and Communication Technologies”, and “Electronics, mandate, we support the implementation of the UN’s Photonics and Electrical Systems”. Funding will also “zero tolerance” policy concerning instances of abuse. be provided to stimulate business research and innovation The Secretary of State for International Development focused on addressing key societal challenges such as raised this issue with the UN Secretary-General on “Intelligent Transport Systems and Services”, “Assisted 16 June. We are expecting a Security Council discussion Living” and “Low Impact Buildings”, which could on UN Resolution 1325 (Women, peace and security) provide opportunities for funding cyber-infrastructure in October. We will also be pushing for a Security research where appropriate. Funding in these areas Council presidential statement reinforcing the UN’s will be approximately £40 million per annum. commitment to zero tolerance concerning abuse by DIUS investments in space technologies, while not peacekeeepers. directed at cyber-infrastructure, may in the future and in some cases find a use in related applications. Regulation of Investigatory Powers

Lord Stoddart of Swindon asked Her Majesty’s Roads: M11 Government: Whether, in the light of reports of the use made by local authorities of powers under the Regulation Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, they will review What was the average daily volume of traffic the legislation and consider whether its use for between junctions 8 and 8A of the M11 motorway, purposes other than national security should be and the number of vehicles entering or exiting the subject to judicial consent and review. [HL4429] motorway at those junctions, in each of the last 10 years. [HL4930] The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord West of Spithead): The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 requires that the use of Lord Bassam of Brighton: There are no fixed counters a number of different covert investigatory techniques on the short section of M11 motorway between junctions by public authorities is authorised only when it is 8 and 8A or on most of the slip roads for these two necessary and proportionate with regard to human junctions. The only data available from counters are rights. those for the slip roads to/from the improved A120 at The Act established an oversight regime, which J8A since their completion in 2003, which are as includes independent inspection and scrutiny of public follows: authority use of the powers by specially appointed commissioners, each of whom have held high judicial J8A Southbound J8A Northbound Year entering M11 exiting M11 office. The commissioners report annually to the Prime ADT ADT Minister on the results of their inspections and their 2003 8,713 9,184 reports are published. The Act also established a tribunal, 2004 14,164 13,557 drawn from the judiciary and legal profession, to 2005 16,114 15,437 investigate complaints. The Government are satisfied 2006 17,319 16,505 with the independent review mechanisms in place for 2007 18,363 17,504 the use of covert investigatory powers by public authorities.

Research: Cyber Infrastructure Roads: M25 Lord Dykes asked Her Majesty’s Government: Whether they intend to increase funding for cyber-infrastructure research projects in companies Lord Hanningfield asked Her Majesty’s Government: and universities in 2008-09 and 2009-10. [HL4537] What was the average daily volume of traffic on the M25 motorway (a) between junctions 26 and The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, 27, (b) between junctions 27 and 28, (c) entering or Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills exiting the M25 at junction 27, and (d) entering or (Baroness Morgan of Drefelin): The Engineering and exiting at junction 28, in each of the past 10 years. Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC) provides [HL4931] WA 283 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 284

Lord Bassam of Brighton: The following tables show capacity development through training. This national information which is readily available for the past five institution is at the frontline of tackling illegal fishing years, excluding times when flows would be affected in Sierra Leone. by long-term road works. The Government of Sierra Leone will set out their The average daily volumes of traffic on the M25 (a) priorities in a forthcoming poverty reduction strategy between junctions 26 and 27, and (b) between junctions paper (first draft expected July 2008). Depending on 27 and 28 are shown in Table 1. the weight given to the fisheries sector, DfID may Table 1 engage the Government in further support. The fisheries J26-27(A J27-26(B J27-28 (A J28-27 (B programme is still subject to approval and thus no Year carriageway) carriageway) carriageway) carriageway) funding has yet been disbursed.

2003 63,500 58,500 66,100 65,700 On product tracking, the Government, through 2004 64,200 64,900 64,800 DfID and Defra, are working closely with major UK and European processors and retailers in the development 2005 63,800 57,400 65,800 65,200 of traceability systems for fish products entering European 2006 63,100 50,600 63,100 62,200 Union markets. We recognise that the ability to trace 2007 62,400 54,800 62,900 products from hook to fork is an effective means of ensuring fish are sourced legally and sustainably, although (c) Volumes of traffic entering and exiting the M25 consideration needs to be given to ensuring that any at junction 27 are shown in Table 2 and (d) for junction new measures do not act unintentionally as barriers to 28 in Table 3. legitimate trade for developing countries. Table 2 J27 Entry (A J27 Entry (B J27 Exit (A J27 Exit (B Year Carriageway) Carriageway) Carriageway) Carriageway) Suicide

2003 26,600 20,000 25,900 Lord Laird asked Her Majesty’s Government: 2004 26,800 21,400 2005 26,400 21,100 23,300 Further to the Written Answer by Lord Hunt of Kings Heath on 18 June (WA 164), what criteria 2006 28,500 19,200 19,000 27,000 coroners in Northern Ireland use to determine whether 2007 28,800 21,500 20,100 27,000 deaths should be classified as suicide; whether they record their decisions; whether those decisions are Table 3 publicly available; and by what criteria coroners J28 Entry (A J28 Entry (B J28 Exit (A J28 Exit (B decide whether an inquest is merited in the case of Year Carriageway) Carriageway) Carriageway) Carriageway) suicide-classified death. [HL4852] 2003 18,500 2004 17,800 18,000 17,800 16,100 The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry 2005 19,900 18,400 19,900 15,900 of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): A coroner will 2006 17,700 15,900 consider all the available evidence in determining whether 2007 15,500 a death was as a result of suicide. Where the facts surrounding a death are not clear the coroner may hold an inquest. It is normal practice for the coroner Where data are missing, the Highways Agency will to consult the family of the deceased before reaching a investigate other sources and any further information decision on whether to hold an inquest. will be placed in the Library of the House during the Where an inquest is held and the cause of death is Summer Recess. found to be suicide the finding will be recorded as “deceased died by his own act” and the medical cause Sierra Leone: Fishing of death will also be recorded. In reaching a decision on whether a death was as a result of suicide relevant factors are whether the act of the deceased was voluntary, Lord Jones of Cheltenham asked Her Majesty’s what his or her intention was, and whether the death Government: was in fact a consequence of his or her act. (a) what progress they have made in helping Coroners’ findings are recorded and can be released fishermen in Sierra Leone eradicate illegal fishing; on the authority of the coroner. (b) whether a tracing scheme has been set up to track fish being exported to the European Union; (c) how much of the United Kingdom’s £15 million Telecommunications: Fibre-optic Ducting funding scheme announced in April 2007 has been released; and (d) when all of the scheme’s funding Lord Taylor of Holbeach asked Her Majesty’s will have been released. [HL3589] Government: Whether the trial installation of fibre-optic ducting Lord Tunnicliffe: DfID currently provides financial on the A14 for 20 miles between Catthorpe and support for the operations of the joint maritime authority, junction 9 will be a trial of the procedure for which polices the waters off Sierra Leone, and the installing the ducting or the below-ground termination British military forces in IMATT—the International chambers; and, if neither, what will be on trial. Military Assistance Training Team—continue to provide [HL4947] WA 285 Written Answers[LORDS] Written Answers WA 286

Lord Bassam of Brighton: The trial installation on Transport: Heavy Goods Vehicles the A14 is to develop a new telecommunications solution for delivering transmission services to roadside devices. The trial includes investigating a range of technologies Lord Taylor of Holbeach asked Her Majesty’s and installation practices, including new standards for Government: cable ducting, fibre-optic cable installation, cable jointing Further to the Written Answers by Lord Bassam and the use of new types of active transmission equipment. of Brighton on 24 June (WA 243–44), whether the The trial aims to deliver a cost-effective telecommunications fall in prohibitions for United Kingdom drivers of solution for the all-purpose trunk road network. vehicles with mechanical defects and the growth in numbers prohibited through excessive driving hours Terrorism: Proscribed Organisations and overweight vehicles is due to improvements in the United Kingdom heavy transport industry or a Lord Avebury asked Her Majesty’s Government: decrease in the number of spot checks applied to United Kingdom vehicles. [HL4606] What steps they are taking, following the deproscription of the People’s Mujaheddin of Iran as a result of a judgment in the Court of Appeal, to Lord Bassam of Brighton: In the Answer that was remove the People’s Mujaheddin of Iran from the given on 24 June in the (Official Report, col. WA European Union’s list of terrorist organisations. 243-44) the figures for the number of prohibitions for [HL4961] mechanical defects for 2007-08 for foreign heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) and all HGVs were provisional. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Following further analysis the numbers have been Office (Lord West of Spithead): The UK informed EU revised and are now: partners of the POAC and Court of Appeal judgments, Percentage and of the courts’ view that the PMOI was not concerned Foreign of foreign in terrorism. The UK also informed the Council of the HGVs UK HGVs All HGVs HGVs European Union when the PMOI was deproscribed 2007-08 Prohibitions Prohibitions Prohibitions Prohibitions on 24 June, and invited the Council to consider the Mechanical 14,919 20,954 35,870 46% implications of the UK deproscription on the current all EU listing under Common Position 931/2001. The Council has subsequently adopted a new decision The UK HGV prohibitions for mechanical defects (Common Position 586/2008 of 15 July), on the basis for 2006-07 were 20,016, compared to 20,951. Therefore, of a different national competent authority decision the revised figures do not suggest any significant fall in not associated with the UK proscription, to continue the number of prohibitions. It is not possible to infer to list the PMOI. The Council has written to the from these figures the reasons for any minor variations PMOI, setting out in a revised statement of reasons between years. why it has been retained on the list. Uganda: International Aid Tourism: Cruise Ships The Earl of Sandwich asked Her Majesty’s Lord Berkeley asked Her Majesty’s Government: Government: How much each regional development agency What is their assessment of the amount of with at least one port in its area spent on cruise international assistance required in northern Uganda; liner tourism and marketing in the past five years. and in what ways they can attract the attention of [HL4787] OECD donors to this issue. [HL4010] The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Lord Tunnicliffe: The UK Government and their Reform (Baroness Vadera): international partners recognise the need to focus greater attention and priority to the development of Total amount spent (£k) over past northern Uganda. They will do this through the United RDA five years Nations Consolidated Appeal (UN CAP), which has an estimated requirement of $375 million for 2008, AWM Nil (No Cruise liner Ports) and the Government of Uganda’s Peace Recovery and EEDA Nil Development Plan (PRDP), which estimates total costs EMDA Nil LDA Nil of US $606 million over the next three years (includes NWDA1 9,960 Government of Uganda funds as well as international ONE 227 funding requirements). These remain the best estimates SEEDA 100 of the amounts required of international financial SWERDA 50 assistance. YF Nil The UK Government, along with colleagues from Footnote: OECD countries represented in Uganda, are co-ordinating 1. The high level of investment in this area by NWDA includes their response, in support of the Government of Uganda, over £9,000,000 capital investment the cruise liner facility on with the key multilateral agencies such as the World Liverpool waterfront. Bank, the African Development Bank, and the UN. WA 287 Written Answers[22 JULY 2008] Written Answers WA 288

The Earl of Sandwich asked Her Majesty’s The Peace Recovery and Development Plan (PRDP) Government: is the Government of Uganda’s overarching framework for the post-conflict recovery for the north. The What estimates there are of the cost of providing Government of Uganda’s estimated costs associated humanitarian assistance to the Acholi people and with implementing this plan are US $606 million over reconstructing war-affected areas of northern Uganda. the next three years. [HL4011] Visas: Migrant Domestic Workers Lord Tunnicliffe: The best estimates for the cost of providing humanitarian, recovery and development Lord Hylton asked Her Majesty’s Government: assistance to all the people of the north, including the Why they are proposing to discontinue the migrant regions of the Acholi people, are contained in the domestic workers visa; and to what extent they United Nations Consolidated Appeal (UN CAP), and took account of the personal histories of women the Government of Uganda’s Peace Recovery and workers who have been abused by employers in Development Plan (PRDP). making that decision. [HL4759] The UN Consolidated Appeal is the main funding instrument for the humanitarian response for the north, The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home and it estimates the cost of the humanitarian effort in Office (Lord West of Spithead): I refer the noble Lord 2008 at US $375 million. to my Answer of 3 July (WA 49).

Tuesday 22 July 2008 ALPHABETICAL INDEX TO WRITTEN STATEMENTS

Col. No. Col. No. Advisory Committee on Business Appointments...... 133 Intelligence: Commissioners’ Annual Reports ...... 143

British Council: Annual Report and Accounts...... 133 Legal Services Commission...... 144

Council of Europe and Western European Union ...... 133 Ministerial Gifts ...... 144

Counterterrorism ...... 134 Ministerial Travel 2007-08...... 144

Courts: Disclosure in Expert Evidence...... 135 National Security Strategy ...... 144

Courts Service: Key Performance Indicators...... 134 Prison Service Pay Review Body ...... 146

Debt: European Investment Bank Loans ...... 137 Questions for Written Answer...... 146 Regional Development Agencies: Annual Reports and Department for Children, Schools and Families: Official Accounts...... 146 Receptions ...... 137 Regional Spatial Strategy for the East Midlands...... 147 Education: National Curriculum Tests ...... 138 Regional Spatial Strategy for the Energy: Nuclear Power Stations...... 139 South-west...... 148

EU: Justice and Home Affairs Council ...... 139 Special Advisers...... 149

Government: Cars ...... 142 Terrorism: Hazardous Substances...... 152

Health: Teenage Pregnancy...... 143 Transport: Personnel...... 154

Tuesday 22 July 2008 ALPHABETICAL INDEX TO WRITTEN ANSWERS

Col. No. Col. No. Abortion...... 227 British-Irish Intergovernmental Conference...... 235

Afghanistan: EU Police Mission...... 227 Broadcasting: Digital Switchover...... 235

Afghanistan: Refugees ...... 228 Budget ...... 235

Africa: Agricultural Input Subsidies ...... 228 Control Orders...... 236

Airports: Public Transport...... 228 Counterterrorism ...... 237

Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act: Voluntary Crime: Knives ...... 241 Retention of Data...... 229 Crime: Online Fraud...... 241 Arabic...... 230 Department for Communities and Local Government: Armed Forces: Buses ...... 230 Architects, Planners and Surveyors...... 242

Armed Forces: Pensions...... 230 Department for Transport: Publications ...... 242

Aviation: Domestic Flights ...... 231 Deportation ...... 242

Aviation: Heathrow...... 231 Discrimination...... 243

Banking: Bank of England ...... 232 Embryology ...... 243

Banking: Charges...... 232 Equality Commission: Northern Ireland ...... 245

Benefits: Overseas Recipients...... 233 Essex...... 245

Bonuses: DBERR ...... 234 EU: Data Retention Directive...... 245 Col. No. Col. No. Fertility Treatment...... 246 Landmines ...... 272

Food: Pork and Bacon ...... 247 Licensing: Music...... 272

Freedom of Information...... 250 Mauritania: Economic Migrants ...... 272

Gibraltar: Police ...... 250 Motorists: First Aid...... 273

Government: Home Office Laptops and Phones...... 251 National Security...... 273

Government: IT Contracts...... 251 Navy: Aircraft Carriers ...... 273

Government: Regional Ministers ...... 251 Navy: Fleet Tankers ...... 274

Health: Chief Medical Officer’s Annual Report...... 252 Nigeria: British High Commission...... 274 Health: Commissions...... 252 Northern Ireland Office: Bonuses ...... 274 Health: Cord Blood ...... 253 Pakistan: DfID ...... 275 Health: Drug Tariff...... 254 Parades: Northern Ireland ...... 275 Health: Herbal Products ...... 254 People Trafficking: Operation Health: Medical Records ...... 255 Pentameter 2...... 276

Health: Urology Appliances ...... 255 Police: Northern Ireland ...... 276

House of Lords: IT...... 256 Political Parties: Funding...... 277

House of Lords: Photocopiers...... 259 Prisoners: Database ...... 277

Housing: Affordability...... 260 Prisons: Cells ...... 277

Housing: Design ...... 261 Prisons: Chaplains ...... 278 Housing: Development ...... 261 Questions for Written Answer: Late Answers...... 278 Housing: Home Information Packs ...... 261 Railways: Blackpool Trams...... 279 Housing: Mortgages ...... 262 Railways: CCTV ...... 279 Immigration: Cost of Applications ...... 262 Railways: High Speed 1...... 279 Immigration: Failed Asylum Seekers ...... 262 Railways: Procurement ...... 280 Immigration: Georgia ...... 263 Railways: Rolling Stock ...... 280 Immigration: Harmondsworth...... 264 Refugees: Sexual Violence...... 280 Immigration: Removal of Children...... 265 Regulation of Investigatory Powers ...... 281 Immigration: Women...... 265 Research: Cyber Infrastructure ...... 281 Industrial Tribunals ...... 266 Roads: M11 ...... 282 Interception of Communications...... 266

Internet: Communications ...... 267 Roads: M25 ...... 282

Internet: Deep Packet Inspection...... 267 Sierra Leone: Fishing...... 283

Internet: Searches ...... 267 Suicide ...... 284

Internet: Unencrypted Material ...... 269 Telecommunications: Fibre-optic Ducting...... 284

Iraq and Afghanistan: Northern Ireland Regiments ...... 269 Terrorism: Proscribed Organisations...... 285

Iraq: Displaced People...... 269 Tourism: Cruise Ships...... 285

Israel and Palestine: Gaza...... 270 Transport: Heavy Goods Vehicles...... 286

Judicial Appointments ...... 270 Uganda: International Aid ...... 286

Justice: Children and Young People...... 271 Visas: Migrant Domestic Workers ...... 288 NUMERICAL INDEX TO WRITTEN ANSWERS

Col. No. Col. No. HL3092 ...... 228 HL4587 ...... 237

HL3410 ...... 263 HL4588 ...... 237

HL3411 ...... 263 HL4590 ...... 238

HL3412 ...... 263 HL4591 ...... 238

HL3414 ...... 264 HL4606 ...... 286

HL3425 ...... 264 HL4612 ...... 240

HL3426 ...... 264 HL4613 ...... 240

HL3427 ...... 264 HL4614 ...... 240

HL3589 ...... 283 HL4642 ...... 262

HL4010 ...... 286 HL4656 ...... 266

HL4011 ...... 287 HL4658 ...... 265

HL4073 ...... 250 HL4667 ...... 231

HL4168 ...... 245 HL4668 ...... 231

HL4236 ...... 269 HL4669 ...... 232

HL4245 ...... 272 HL4684 ...... 274

HL4320 ...... 245 HL4691 ...... 275

HL4340 ...... 278 HL4695 ...... 234

HL4413 ...... 272 HL4746 ...... 261

HL4429 ...... 281 HL4758 ...... 242

HL4439 ...... 280 HL4759 ...... 288

HL4441 ...... 228 HL4768 ...... 255

HL4464 ...... 246 HL4770 ...... 227

HL4469 ...... 230 HL4771 ...... 251

HL4484 ...... 279 HL4776 ...... 230

HL4513 ...... 236 HL4787 ...... 285

HL4514 ...... 236 HL4799 ...... 241

HL4515 ...... 236 HL4840 ...... 280

HL4516 ...... 242 HL4841 ...... 247

HL4517 ...... 243 HL4842 ...... 247

HL4518 ...... 243 HL4843 ...... 248

HL4537 ...... 281 HL4845 ...... 248

HL4546 ...... 273 HL4846 ...... 248

HL4547 ...... 266 HL4852 ...... 284

HL4559 ...... 233 HL4853 ...... 279

HL4578 ...... 270 HL4864 ...... 244

HL4586 ...... 237 HL4865 ...... 230 Col. No. Col. No. HL4867 ...... 267 HL4947 ...... 284

HL4869 ...... 267 HL4958 ...... 250

HL4870 ...... 268 HL4959 ...... 250

HL4879 ...... 277 HL4961 ...... 285

HL4886 ...... 260 HL4962 ...... 256

HL4887 ...... 241 HL4963 ...... 257

HL4888 ...... 270 HL4964 ...... 257

HL4889 ...... 272 HL4965 ...... 257

HL4892 ...... 249 HL4966 ...... 258

HL4893 ...... 249 HL4967 ...... 258

HL4895 ...... 276 HL4969 ...... 252

HL4897 ...... 276 HL4972 ...... 252

HL4898 ...... 236 HL4973 ...... 253

HL4900 ...... 269 HL4974 ...... 253

HL4901 ...... 267 HL4981 ...... 261

HL4905 ...... 277 HL4982 ...... 261

HL4910 ...... 273 HL4983 ...... 271

HL4911 ...... 274 HL4984 ...... 271

HL4912 ...... 274 HL4985 ...... 271

HL4917 ...... 278 HL4986 ...... 271

HL4919 ...... 255 HL4987 ...... 271

HL4920 ...... 256 HL4988 ...... 272

HL4921 ...... 256 HL4989 ...... 258

HL4923 ...... 244 HL4990 ...... 258

HL4924 ...... 244 HL4991 ...... 258

HL4925 ...... 227 HL4992 ...... 259

HL4926 ...... 246 HL4993 ...... 259

HL4927 ...... 246 HL4994 ...... 260

HL4929 ...... 251 HL4995 ...... 254

HL4930 ...... 282 HL5007 ...... 269

HL4931 ...... 282 HL5009 ...... 235

HL4932 ...... 242 HL5016 ...... 243

HL4933 ...... 251 HL5026 ...... 262

HL4934 ...... 253 HL5029 ...... 279

HL4935 ...... 235 HL5030 ...... 279

HL4936 ...... 235 HL5031 ...... 280

HL4941 ...... 265 HL5032 ...... 254

HL4945 ...... 260 HL5033 ...... 254 Col. No. Col. No. HL5041 ...... 277 HL5053 ...... 232

HL5042 ...... 275 HL5055 ...... 259 HL5066 ...... 273 HL5043 ...... 276 HL5067 ...... 232 HL5044 ...... 262 HL5071 ...... 230 HL5045 ...... 274 HL5073 ...... 228 HL5051 ...... 264 HL5074 ...... 231 Volume 703 Tuesday No. 131 22 July 2008

CONTENTS

Tuesday 22 July 2008 Leave of Absence: The Lord Speaker ...... 1643 Questions Health: Dementia ...... 1643 Russia: Human Rights ...... 1645 Nuclear Weapons ...... 1648 Iran: People’s Mujaheddin Organisation ...... 1650 Pensions Bill Order of Consideration Motion ...... 1652 Crossrail Bill Third Reading ...... 1653 Freedom of Information (Parliament and National Assembly for Wales) Order 2008 Approved ...... 1655 Secure Training Centres: Use of Restraint (JCHR Report) Motion to Take Note ...... 1659 Iraq Statement ...... 1675 Royal Assent ...... 1688 Written Statements...... WS 133 Written Answers...... WA 227