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Core 1..52 Committee Standing Committee on Official Languages LANG Ï NUMBER 002 Ï 2nd SESSION Ï 41st PARLIAMENT EVIDENCE Monday, November 4, 2013 Chair The Honourable Michael Chong 1 Standing Committee on Official Languages Monday, November 4, 2013 Ï (1530) [English] [Translation] The Chair: A routine motion has been moved. The Chair (Hon. Michael Chong (Wellington—Halton Hills, [Translation] CPC)): Welcome to the second session of the 41st Parliament. On this Monday, November 4, 2013, the Standing Committee on Thank you, Mr. Godin. Official Languages is holding its second hearing. We are here to Is there any debate on the motion? discuss committee business. [English] Before dealing with our routine motions, I would first like to welcome our clerk, Mr. Chad Mariage. Mr. Mariage is replacing Seeing no debate, I'll call the vote. Ms. Suzie Cadieux who is on leave for personal reasons. I hope she (Motion agreed to) will be able to return soon. [Translation] I also wish to congratulate Mr. Williamson on his marriage this The Chair: I welcome our analyst, who may now join us. summer. [English] Are there any other motions? Congratulations, John. It is fantastic news. I'm sure everyone here Mr. Godin, you have the floor. is very excited about the new path you're on. Mr. Yvon Godin: Mr. Chair, I'd like to move another motion. I Monsieur Dionne Labelle. think it is important to move it now: That the Committee may meet in camera only for the purpose of discussing: [Translation] (a) wages, salaries and other employee benefits; Mr. Pierre Dionne Labelle (Rivière-du-Nord, NDP): Allow me to make one comment: love is blind, but marriage restores one's (b) contracts and contract negotiations; sight. (c) labour relations and personnel matters; (d) draft reports; Voices: Oh, oh! (e) briefings concerning national security; and [English] That all votes taken in camera be recorded in the Minutes of Proceedings, The Chair: We have a number of new members. I'd like to including how each member voted when recorded votes are requested. welcome all of you to this committee. The Chair: Thank you, Mr. Godin. We finished last spring in the middle of the study on French So we have before us a motion concerning in camera meetings. immersion. Today if we can finish them both, we're going to do two items of business. First, we'll consider the adoption of routine Mr. Yvon Godin: I'm going to give you a copy in both official motions. If there is time remaining, I'd like some direction from the languages. committee as to whether they would like to start with a brand new The Chair: Are there any questions on the text of the motion? study or continue with the study we were conducting on French immersion. Is there debate on the motion? We'll move on to the first item of business in the orders of the day, Mr. Gourde, you have the floor. and that is the consideration of routine motions. Mr. Jacques Gourde (Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, CPC): I am opposed to this motion because it would interfere with Monsieur Godin. the independence of our committee in future. Consequently, I think [Translation] that this motion is out of order. Mr. Yvon Godin (Acadie—Bathurst, NDP): I move the Thank you, Mr. Chair. following motion: Ï (1535) That the committee retain, as needed and at the discretion of the chair, the services of one or more analysts from the Library of Parliament to assist it in its work. The Chair: Mr. Godin, you have the floor. 2 LANG-02 November 4, 2013 Mr. Yvon Godin: I think that the motion is in order, and that we Therefore, I find it troubling that we can't limit the use of in camera need to vote on it. to what it was specifically intended to do. Mr. Chair, this motion is important because we are accountable to I believe that our motion before you shows that we're trying to Canadians. They have to know what we are talking about and we are frame in camera procedures in a way that would protect their original doing. We should be holding a transparent debate. intent, rather than in camera being used for partisan purposes and the avoidance of putting the government in an embarrassing situation Our committee has sat in camera repeatedly. People do not like where they'll be reminded that they have to improve legislation and that and do not accept it, according to comments we have received. therefore open themselves to public scrutiny on this point. What do we have to hide from Canadians? We talk about our work and the witnesses who come here. We have already established rules I appeal to you, Chair, to vote in support of this motion, in the concerning in camera meetings. For instance, we sit in camera to sense that we are working within the Westminster system. Certainly prepare our reports and drafts. We have to have certain rules. We as the government in the U.K. has looked at the role of select can't at the drop of a hat go behind closed doors when certain things committees, I would suggest you consider this carefully when do not suit the government. casting your vote. The motion proposes clear rules. We have a responsibility to the The Chair: Thank you, Mr. Nicholls. I generally don't vote on Canadians who chose us. They have a right to hear what their this committee, but I'm assuming you're asking members, through members have to say and to weigh in on those discussions. me, to vote for the motion. Your point is well taken. Ultimately it is up to them to decide what will be taken away from Now we will hear from Mr. Benskin. members. Ï (1540) As I said, the motion sets out certain rules. Certain meetings Mr. Tyrone Benskin (Jeanne-Le Ber, NDP): Mr. Chair, my would be held in camera, but this would be done according to some argument will be a little less technical and just a little more clear rules, and not whenever the government wants to hide certain grassroots. things it does not like. It is important for some things to not take place in camera, as the motion indicates. One of the things I've discovered since being elected is that our The Chair: Thank you, Mr. Godin. job as MPs is twofold. We are elected by our constituents, the people in our neighbourhood for many of us who live in our constituency. In my opinion, this motion is in order, and so we are going to They look to us to be their voice and their eyes and ears on issues continue the debate. that concern them directly within their constituency. It's our job to bring those thoughts, those concerns, those suggestions to the big Mr. Nicholls, you have the floor. table in Ottawa. The second level of that is to sometimes represent [English] some of those ideas, or if you hold a ministerial position or a critic position, the broader ideas that touch the rest of the country. Mr. Jamie Nicholls (Vaudreuil-Soulanges, NDP): Mr. Chair, as you know, our system is based on the Westminster system, and there Although question period can be a hoot to watch sometimes, it's a are procedures and traditions that go along with that tradition. small fraction of the public image or the public visibility of what we Responsible government has been in Canada since at least 1848. The do. For many years, and when I entered into this world, I was told basis of this system is the idea of parliamentary accountability. It's that the really heavy lifting was done in committee. This is when the foundation of the system. everybody sits down and takes time on a proposed bill or takes time on a study to look at certain issues. Select committees in the Westminster system allow the discussion of issues deemed to be relevant to parliament and to legislation. The I'm hearing from more and more of my constituents that they're mother of all parliaments, Westminster itself, has looked at the role tuning in, that they are becoming more and more a part of the of select committees to find out what the role and tasks of those process, this governmental process. I think it's a service to our select committees are. They came up with the idea that scrutiny of communities and to Canadians for them to have the opportunity to government, or forms of government legislation, is one of the core see how we come to some of the decisions to make some of the tasks of select committees that allow for concepts such as ministerial studies. accountability. There are a lot of things that come across our table. We can only There is some debate now among parliamentarians in Westminster talk about so many things. How do we come to those decisions? whether that scrutiny is for openness and transparency or whether it's When we're making those decisions and when we get to those for improving government itself. decisions, what kind of discussion do we have not only with witnesses but among ourselves about those topics? It could be said that going in camera might save the government some face when it needs improvement, and often this government For that reason, the more often and the more public we can make doesn't like to be reminded that it needs to improve legislation in our committee meetings, the more they serve the people who elected certain places.
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