Volume D Wecinesclay No. 5 "* 6th July, 1960 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES

DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE)

OFFICIAL REPORT

CONTENTS BILLS- The Internal Security Bill [Col. 307) The Arms Bill [Col. 339) The Police (Amendment) Bill [Col. 345] The Visiting Forces Bill [Col. 346) The Emergency Regulations (Indemnity) Bill [Col. 347] The Workmen's Compensation (Amendment) Bill [Col. 349] The Income Tax (Amendment) Bill [Col. 353) The International Development Association Bill [Col. 371) The Currency Bill [Col. 376) The Prevention of Crime (Amendment) Bill [Col. 386) The Statutory Declarations Bill [Col. 387] MOTION- The Social and Welfare Lotteries Board Ordinance, 1950 (Extension) [Col. 388)

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FEDERATION OF MALAYA DEWAN NEGARA (SENATE) Official Report

Vol. II Second Session of the First Dewan Negara No. 5

Wednesday, 6th July, 1960 The Senate met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. President, DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN BIN MOHAMED YASIN, S.P.M.J., P.I.S. (Johore). the Minister of Justice, TUN LEONG YEW KOH, S.M.N. (Appointed). TUAN HAJI ABBAS BIN HAJI MOHAMED (Trengganu). ENCHE' ABDUL HAMID BIN MAHMUD, J.M.N. (Appointed). ENCHE' AHMAD BIN SAID, A.M.N. (Perak). ENCHE' A. M. ABU BAKAR, J.M.N. {Appointed). ENCHE' ABDUL wAHAB BIN IDUS, P.J.K. (Negri Sembilan). /' ENCHE' AMALUDDIN BIN DARUS (Kelantan). ENCHE' CHEAH SENG KHIM, J.P. (Penang). DATO' DR. CHEAH TOON LOK, J.M.N., J.P., DATO' MAHA KURNIA (Appointed). ENCHE' CHOO KOK LEONG (Appointed). ENCHE' J. E. S. CRAWFORD, J.M.N., J.P. (Appointed). ENCHE' DA ABDUL JALIL BIN HAJI AWANG (Trengganu). ENCHE' HASHIM BIN AWANG, J.P. (Penang). DATO' LEE FooNG YEE, J.M.N., P.P.T., J.P. (Negri Sembilan). ENCHE' LIM HEE HONG, A.M.N. (Appointed). ENCHE' MOHD. SALLER BIN MOHAMED ARIFF (Malacca). ENCHE' MOHD. ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Kedah). ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL K.u>IR, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Appointed). ENCHE' ATHI NAHAPPAN (Appointed). ENCHE' s. P. s. NATHAN (Appointed). ENCHE' NIK HASSAN BIN HAJJ NIK YAHYA, J.M.N. (Appointed). TUAN HAJI NIK MOHD. ADEEB BIN HAJJ NIK MOHAMED (Kelantan). TOK PANGKU PANDAK HAMID BIN PuTEH JALI, P.J.K. (Appointed). RAJA RASTAM SHAHROME BIN RAJA SAID TAUPHY (Selangor). DATO' G. SHELLEY, P.M.N., J.P. (Appointed). .. TUAN SYEri AHMAD BIN SYED MAHMUD SHAHABUDIN, J.M.N. (Kedah) • 307 6 JULY: 1960 308 The Honourable TUAN SYED BAHALDIN BIN SYED NOH, J.P. (Perlis). ENCHE' T. H. TAN, J.M.N. (Appointed). DATO' E. E. C. 't:ttuRAisiNGHAM, D.P.M.1., J.P. (Appointed). ENCHE' 0. K. UBAIDULLA (Appointed). " s. ENCHE' WAN AHMAD BIN WAN DAUD, P.J.K., J.P. (Perlis). DATO' WAN IBRAHIM BIN WAN TANJONG, J.M.N., J.P., ORANG KAYA INDERA MAliARA.JA PuRBA JELAI (Pahang). KHEN VAN, " ENCHE' YAP A.M.N., J.P. (Pahang). ABSENT: The Honourable ENCHE' CHAN KWONG HON, A.M.N., J.P. (Selangor). ENCHE' KOH KIM LENG (Malacca). DATO' SHEIKH ABU BAKAR BIN YAHYA, D.P.M.J., P.I.S., J.P. (Johore). ENCHE' YEOH KIAN TECK (Perak).

IN ATTENDANCE: The Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defence, TUN ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN Srnw SIN, J.P. (Malacca Tengah). the Minister of Health and Social Welfare, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N. (Ulu Selangor). ENCHE' v. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K., Assistant Minister (Klang). ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF, Assistant Minister (Jerai). PRAYERS Ram): Mr. President, Sir, may I (Mr. President have your leave to explain the purpose in the Chair) and objects of this Bill very briefly. As Honourable Members of this House BILLS are aware, at the beginning of this THE INTERNAL SECURITY session of Parliament His Majesty the BILL Yang di-Pertuan Agong announced that Second Reaclinl the Government intended to declare The Minister of Justice (Tun Leong the Emergency at an end at midnight Yew Koh): Mr. President, Sir, I beg on the 31st of July. Now, with the to move that a Bill intituled "an Act to coming to an end of the Emergency, provide for the internal security of the it is necessary for Parliament to enact Federation, preventive detention, the several legislations and that is why prevention of subversion, the suppres­ during this session of Parliament I am sion of organised violence against submitting about five legislations for persons and property in specified areas the approval of Parliament. Also, Sir, of the Federation, and for matters as has been repeatedly declared by incidental thereto" be read a second both the Prime Minister and other time. Ministers, including myself, although Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to the Emergency is coming to an end, second the motion. we shall not relax our efforts to eliminate the remaining communist The Deputy Prime Minister and terrorists who are still on our bprder. Minilter of Defence (Tun Abdul There are about 583 armed terrorists.

-~--~~~~~- 309 6 JULY 1960 310 along the Malaya/ Siam border, subversive means. Therefore, it is although only about 90 of them are essential that we should have a law at a time on our side of the border. dealing with subversion. That is the It is therefore necessary to have this purpose of Part I of this Bill. legislation to make provisions for our Now, the most important provision efforts to continue this fight against of Part I is, of course, clause 8 in the communist terrorists. That is why Chapter II dealing with preventive we have this Internal Security Bill. detention. I have, Sir, explained briefly Part II of the Bill deals with security when introducing the amendments to areas, areas which would be declared the Constitution the reason for Govern­ as security areas, in which we shall ment's desire to have this power of continue, i.e. the police and the military preventive detention. This power ot will continue, to fight against commu­ preventive detention is not new and it nist terrorists. It is the proposal of the is in most countries. We have such Government to have a Border War provision existing in India and other Executive Committee to carry out the countries, and also in Singapore where, fight against the communist terrorists indeed, the grounds for detention are in that area. It is the proposal of the more extensive than those provided Government also to declare the border under this Bill. As I have said previous­ area-that is the area north and east ly, Sir, the purpose of preventive deten­ of Perlis, north and east of Kedah, tion is to prevent a person from carry­ north of Perak and west of Kelantan­ ing out his act which would be prejudi­ as a security area. Although we have cial to the security of this country. a few more terrorists left in Pahang­ And if we must have this power of I think 3 in central Pahang about 6 preventive detention, there must, of miles from the border of Trengganu course, be adequate safeguards. We and Pahang-it is not intended to have safeguards here under clauses 11 declare that areas as a security area. and 12 of this law.. The proposal is Now, it is this Border War Executive that there should be an Advisory Committee which will take the place Board to be presided over by a judge of the State War Executive Committees or a person with the qualifications of that are in existence in those States a judge, and the recommendations of although the existing State War the Advisory Board would be made to Executive Committees will still remain the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. There is. to carry out their residuary functions of course, a slight change of procedure which may remain, but the control of as at present we have under the anti-terrorist measures will be under­ Emergency Regulations a Review taken by this new Border War Commission which is independent of Executive Committee which will have Government. But under this we only its headquarters in Alor Star; and also have an Advisory Board to make in place of the Emergency Operations recommendations to the Government Council we intend to have a Border and the Govemment~i.e. the Cabinet Security Council under the Chairman­ and the Yang di-Pertuan Agong-will ship of the Prime Minister and the have the final say on this question of Director of Emergency Operations who detention. It is considered right and will now become Director of Border proper that in a matter like this, i.e. Security. The various clauses under a matter of subversion, which is really Part II relate only to security areas, a political matter, the final decision and not to other areas. should lie with the Government, and Part l of the Bill deals· with subver­ the Government is responsible and sion. As Honourable Members are answerable to Parliament. Therefore, aware, although armed terrorism is the ultimate power of preventive coming to an end, the communists are detention should lie with the Govern­ endeavouring to achieve by subversive ment. means what they have failed by force Sir, as I have informed the Lower of arms, and it is the intention of the House, it is no pleasure on the part communists to overthrow the democra­ of the Government to order the deten­ tic Government of this country by tion of any pers6b, and I can assure 311 6 JULY 1960 312 this House that this power will not be increase. No one who really loves this abused .. Now. the present Government. country, no one whose loyalty belongs ...... the Alliance Government, is prepared to this country need fear this legislation, to stand on its previous record on this and I congratulate the Government for matter. From a figure of about 250 in taking this piece of legislation to 1957 the number of detainees is Parliament because only by this means reduced now to well under 70. We we assure our future. have lately released a few of the lead· Endte' Ahmad bin Said: Tuan Yang ing members of the communist party. di-Pertua dan Ahli2 Yang Berhormat The principle. Sir. is that so long as sakalian. saya bangun ada-lah menyo· the Government is satisfied that a kong dengan sa-penoh-nya Rang Un­ person is loyal to this country and no dang2 ini kerana sa-bagaimana kita longer presents a security risk to this tahu ada-lah ini satu alat yang mus­ country, then he will be released from tahak bagi menjamin keselamatan detention. That is the main criterion, negara kita yang merdeka ia-itu usul and the cases of those detainees who penarekan Undang2 Dharurat yang are still in detention will be reviewed akan di-buat pada tengah malam 31 and if the Government is satisfied that July ini. Saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, they are loyal to this country and are mengambil peluang berchakap di-Majlis no longer a security risk to this coun­ ini hanya-lah hendak memperkatakan try, then they will be released. perkara yang saya rasa mustahak ia-itu The remaining parts of this Bill sa-bagaimana yang telah di-nyatakan deal with various details which I do yang Kerajaan akan mengadakan not think I· should take the time of this Undang2 khas bagi kawasan sempadan House to explain as they are adequately ia-itu bagi kawasan barat Kelantan, explained in the explanatory notes Kedah. Perlis dan utara Perak. Saya attached to the Bill. berasa churiga, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Sir. as I have said, it is very impor­ sa-hingga pada takat ini kita maseh tant to have this Bill in view of the umum lagi sa-takat mana-kah yang di­ fact that we are bringing the Emergency katakan sempadan bagi kawasan2 to an end on 31st July and on that date Kelantan, Kedah, Perlis dan utara the Emergency Regulations which we Perak itu. Memang-lah benar bagi have now will also come to an end. kawasan2 ini bersempadan dengan Therefore, it is necessary to have a law negeri Siam. dan maseh ada lagi saki to deal both with the security areas baki pengganas2 komunis di-kawasan itu. Tetapi oleh sebab maseh umum around the border. as we still have 2 about 580-odd terrorists, and also sempadan bagi kawasan ini, -saya to deal with subversives. and I am sure, boleh-kah mendapat tahu daripada Sir, that this Bill will have the support pehak Kementerian yang berkenaan of this House. (Applause). umpama-nya di-utara Perak itu, sa­ takat mana-kah kawasan sempadan Endte' T. H. Tan: Mr. President, yang hendak di-masokkan ka-dalam Sir, I rise to support this piece of legis­ Undang2 Keselamatan yang akan di­ lation, because I consider it necessary ishtiharkan itu. Ada-kah keseluro­ for the future security of our nation. han-nya: Gerakan Jaya dan keselurohan The particular clauses which are con­ Gerakan Bambu itu? Tetapi yang saya troversial refer to the powers the dapat tahu daripada berita2 yang boleh Government proposes to take under di-perchayai bukan sahaja bagi kawa­ this legislation on preventive detention. san2 ini tetapi lebeh luas daripada Sir, I submit to this House that the . kawasan itu lagi. Saya berasa, Tuan record Of His Majesty's Government . Yang. di-Pertua, s11-kira-nya-lah benar since 1955 to to·date would give no telahan saya ini dan berita angin ini, one any reason to believe that there saya berasa dukachita dan saya harap will be abuse of such powers. This kapada pehak Kementerian yang ber­ measure, Sir, is very necessary because kenaan patut-nya di-semak kembali although the emergency is coming to dan . di-kaji dengan chermat-nya atas an end we must face the fact that kawasan2 sempadan ini , terutama sa­ subversion will probably be on the kali utara Perak itu dan k.alau boleh

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -~~~--- 313 6 JULY 1960 314 patut-lah pehak Kementerian yang ber- had informed the Police a little before kenaan mengambil chadangan2 ini dari- noon. I said, ''Come along t Tell me pada Jawatan2·Kuasa Perang bagi tiap2 more about it." He took me to a daerah yang ada bersama2 wakil ra'ayat bridge across the river, and there was yang berkaitan dalam kawasan2 yang the tell-tale evidence-a fishing rod tertentu itu. lying up against the railings of the , . bridge, with the line dipping into the . Dato G_. Shelley: Mr. Pre.side~t. river. You did not need to be a Sir, there ts no doubt that this Bill "Sherlock Holmes" to visualise that that will be enthusiastically su~ported by boy had leaned over the railings and the Senate and passed unammously. It tumbled into the river Well there was is a good piece of machinery. I would no Police, till after sbt. I ~ng up the even sugges~ ~at should . th~re be Police and they said : "Yes, we have found anything madequate m it at a the situation in hand. We have rung up later stage. we should add to, ratJ;ter Nibong Tebal and other stations, and than subtract from, the means b~ whi'?h we have given them the colour of the we can be assured that the P~hce ~ll hair and so forth." I was pretty annoyed be a_ble to carry out their duties and said : "I can tell you the colour effectively. of the body now-it must be bluet" Part II of the Bill visualises a hypo- And I added: "Why, d~>n't y~u peopl~ thetical situation but we look to the come along and make mvestigations t Police to prevent' such a situation from "O~. we ~e coming I" They . didn't arising. In view of my experiences amve until half-past seven; 1t was recently, I am not very happy about already . quite dark. They brought a the situation as it applies to Butter· boat, with torches that could hardly worth. These are serious words, and I see the bottom of the boat, let alone express it conscious of their seriousness. search the growth alon~ the banks of I will recount some of my experiences the stream. Of course it was fruitless. Some months ago, I was called out_: I ran~ them up ag~in. They wer~ g~ing or rather, there were police whistles to bnng sea~ch hghts. By thJS llD?-e being blown-and I came out to find I kn7w that if that boy had been m a Sikh watchman bleeding and in pain. the nver, h~ would have been drowned. He told me he had been waylaid and N~xt mormng, I saw the father at the beaten up. I took him in the car to the b!1dge about seven o'clock, and at Police Station and asked the Police to eight o'clock he came to my table in please see that he got to the hospital the office and said: "I have found the quickly. Last week there was a case in boy. I took a boat. went up the creek, the courts. The man who was beaten and there was the boy, in among the up. charged the suspected ;person on. a s~bs", he said. pnvate . summons. Now, . Sir. why did Sir, can we not ask the Police to be the Pohce not c~rge this ~n? Why a little more efficient? If the machinery was he told that 1t was a sunple case of the law is inadequate, I am sure o~ assa~t? The man was absent f?:orp Parliament will provide them with all his duties for th:ee months-yet 1t ts the facilities necessary for efficiency. put down as a Sllllple case of assault. . . Was it a case of the Police not being . Yet anoth".r more senous case-this alive to the seriousness of it? In these tune. at Prai. There we~ five men days, when we are out to fight thuggery bea~g up one man. A policeman was and gangsterism, I feel that the Police lookmg on through the comer of ~is should have taken a more serious view eye. The report was made-nothing of the case. happened. There was another occassion. One of Butterworth ma>'.. be . a small place, the workmen in the shipyard I am but I am w~:mdenng t~ the ~e . of working in came to me after office, at Butterworth is not bemg multiplied about five o'clock. and said that his throughout the country. son had disappeared-a little boy The Police have done extremely good of about seven or eight. I asked him if work, I admit. The end of the Erner· he had informed the Police. Yes. he gency is partly due to the good work 31~ 6 JULY 196() 316 of the Police. It is human nature to baik-nya, bagi pehak Kerajaan.sa·kira· 2 pick up faults and bring them to the nya di-dapati mana buku yang menya. .-·._ surface. As Shakespeare said : "The laQi undang2 yan$ hendak di-masokkan good that men do is oft interred with ka-Tanah Melayu ini hendak-lah di­ their bones; the evil lives after them." siasat dan di-halusi dengan betul2 akan We do look to the Police to bring back buku2 itu. kemudian di-ishtiharkan ka­ confidence to those people who have pada orang ramai dan di-beritahu been disappointed. It is these small kapada seluroh ahli2 Dewan Perniagaan things which, added up, may lead to Melayu. atau pun Dewan Perniagaan the situation as visualised in Part II China dan sa-bagai-nya supaya di-beri­ of this Bill. As I say. it is an extremely tahu kapada pekedai2 buku itu bahawa good piece of machinery. It is good buku2 yang tertentu ada-lah di·tegah commercial practice that when a good di-jual atau di-gunakan atau di-bawa piece of mach~ery is handed over to masok ka-Tanah Melayu ini. Ini ada­ would-be users. some instructions are lah satu chara-nya bagi menyelamatkan given as to the use of the machinery, atau pun bagi mengelakkan kesusahan so that it would have the best maximum yang akan di-tanggong oleh pekedai2 effect and not be ineffective as a result itu. of mis.use. Sa-lain daripada itu, bagi ahli2 per­ , I support the Bill wholeheartedly. niagaan. buku2 yang ada di-Tanah Melayu'. ini nampak-nya sentiasa tidak­ Enche' Nit H~: Dato' Yang di­ lah bagitu di-halusi tentang siapa yang Pertua. dalam menyokong Rang Un­ mengechap buku2 dan apa-kah tujuan dang2 yang di-bawa dalam Dewan ini pehak yang mengechap buku2 itu? saya suka hendak menarek perhatian kapada dua perkara yang ada dalam Apa yang mereka tahu ia-lah mereka 2 mahu menchari keuntongan daripada Baka! Undang ini. Perkara yang per­ buku2 yang di-jual-nya itu. Dalam tama yang saya suka hendak menarek perhatian Menteri yang berkenaan ia­ undang2 ini menyatakan siapa yang 2 ada menjual, siapa yang ada menyim­ lah berkenaan dengan buku atau pun pan atau pun siapa juga yang menjadi publications yang datang daripada luar agent bagi mana2 pengechap buku2, negeri yang boleh merosakkan ke­ sa-kira-nya di-dapati buku2 atau publi· amanan negeri ini, atau pun yang cations itu salah dari segi undang2 ini, boleh membangkitkan huru-hara dalam maka penjual itu nanti atau pun pe­ negeri ini. atau pun yang di-fikirkan nyimpan itu · juga di-dapati salah­ boleh menyalahi undang2 ini. Pada biasa-nya pekedai2 buku atau pun ahli2 boleh di-hukum; pada hal mereka itu perniagaan yang membawa masok ada-lah penjual yang tidak berdosa, bukui daripada luar negeri itu bukan­ kerana mereka tidak tahu tujuan yang 2 sa-benar-nya pengechapan itu dalam nya ahli undang , dan buku2 biasa-nya masa buku itu hendak di-jual. Jadi tidak di-karang dengan · perkataan2 ini ada-lah satu perkara yang sangat yang boleh ia-nya mengetahui dengan besar pada kalangan ahli2 buku, pada sa-penoh-nya apa yang di-tulis dalam kalangan ahli2 penjual buku yang mana buku itu. Sa-kira-nya chara mengawal 2 bagi kita atau bagi gulongan pehak dan menjaga kemasokan buku dengan yang lain tentu merasa k-echil hati chara publications ini di-Malaya tidak dalam perkara ini. Tetapi, bagi ahli2 di-jaga dengan baik dan tidak di-ator perniagaan yang berkenaan mereka chara tadbiran-nya itu dengan terator. tentu tidak mahu kapada kesusahan; maka yang akan mendapat kesusahan walau pun dalam undang2 ini ada ber­ ia-lah ahli2 pemiagaan yang membawa 2 kata sa-kira-nya siapa2 yang memegang masok buku yang tidak tahu chara buku atau publication di-dapati salah, undang2 negeri ini dan tidak tahu mereka itu hendak~lah menerangkan butir2 apa-kah perkataan yang di-fikir· kapada Mahkamah-ada dalam un· kan menyalahi · undang2 itu. dang2 ini berkata: mereka ini boleh Mereka itu ia-lah ahli2 perniagaan menerangkan kapada Mahkamah yang yang sukakan untong. yang tidak tahu mereka itu tidak bersalah mengikut mana perkataan yang tichlk: betul clan uudang2 ini dan mengikut ~na mana yang betul. J adi, saya rasa ada undang2 yang boleh menunjokkan 317 6 JULY 1960 318 mereka ini menjual. atau memegana itu boleh tnembangldtkan perasaan perkara itu dengan .tidak menyalahi orang tamai tnenentang wtdang2 Kera­ undang2. Mereka hendak-lah mene­ jaan ini. rangkan pada Mahkamah dan Mahka­ Satu perkara yang susah hendak di­ mah boleh menentukan kedudokan tentukan ia-lah, bagaimana-kah perka­ mereka itu. tetapi bagiJ ahli2 perniagaan taan yang boleh membangkitkan atau mereka, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, tidak­ pun tidak membangkitkan perasaan lah mahu kapada kesusahan sa-hingga menentang undang2 ini, saya rasa ada~ pergi ka-Mahkamah hendak menchari lab satu perkara yang patut di-halusi keuntongan empat atau Hrna puloh sen 2 dan di-kaji dengan chermat. Sebab ad~ dalam menjual satu perkara yang pehak2, ada gulongan orang ramai hendak di-jual itu, jadi sa-kira•nya yang mereka terasa, ma'ana-nya mus­ dapat mengelakkan perkara ini dari­ tahak di•adakan perjumpaan atau per­ pada kesusahan kapada ahli2 pernia­ gaan, saya i"asa ada baik kira-nya himpunan umpama-nya untok tnenun­ kawalan itu di-jaga. daripada gulongan2 jokkan perasaan diri-nya, perasaan pehak yang mengechap itu sendiri gulongan-nya kapada pemetentah. Jadi supaya pehak2 yang mengechap mana2 untok berhimpun, untok menyatakan. - buku atau pun press yang mengeluar­ untok memberi tahu kapada orang kan mana2 buku itu ada-lah di-jaga ramai tujuan perhimpunan itu ada-lah dan di-kawal dengan lebeh terator satu perkara yang boleh niembawa supaya kesusahan itu tidak "berjangkif' kapada pehak Kerajaan . atau pun kapada pehak yang menjual atau pehak satu gulongan yang lain menya· kapada pehak2 kalangan pemiagaan, takan perhimpunan atau petjumpaan atau pun orang ramai yang menyimpan itu, atau niat tulisan untok mengadakan buku2 dan surat2 yang berkenaan. perhimpunan itu ada-lah berupa niat untok membawa orang ramai boleh Sa-lain daripada itu, saya suka memechahkan keamanan atau pun me­ bend~ menarek perhatian Menteri langgar undang2. Jadi ini satu perkara yang berkenaan dalam parkara menam­ yang sangat halus kalau kita pandang pal surat atau pun kertas2 ya~ boleh dari segi undang2, saya tidak loyar, di-katakan di-sini merupakan: ' ... dis• tetapi rasa saya kalati loyar yang ada obedience to the law or to any lawful di·dalam Dewan ini meinikirkan per­ order ...." jadi perkara menampal kataan ini ada-lah satu perkara yang kertas2 yang boleh memban~tkan halus, yang payah hendak di-pechah­ perasaan orang. ramai memikirkan kan, sebab ini ada-lah berupa niat dan surat ini berupa boleh menentang atau tujuan pehak yang menampal kertas pun memechahkan satu undang2 negeri itu. Umpama:-nya satti gulongan kira· itu ada-lah satu perkara yang mustahak nya hendak mengadakan perhimpunati bagi negeri kita ini supaya surat yang dengan satu tujuan mengemukakan di-tampal dan yang di-siarkan kapada perasaan hati-nya kapada Kerajaan, orang ramai itu berupa sutat tulisan2 jadi kena-lah tneteka menampal kettas. yang tidak boleh membawa otang bila menampal kertas, boleh jadi pehak ramai memikirkan yang mereka mahu yang memerentah dalam satu2 negeri melanggar undang2 ini atau yang boleh memij!:irkan perkataan2 dan tulisan itu membawa fikiran mereka mahu me­ boleh membawa gulongan itu metnberi nentang Kerajaan., Tetapi saya rasa tahu kapada orang ramai suka ada mustahak juga bagi Kerajaan memikir­ perasaan dan ada chita2 hendak me­ kan bagaimana chara-nya surat2 atau mechahkan kehendak dan tiljuan per­ pun kertas2 yang di-tampal itu yang jalanan satu2 Kerajaan dalam negeri ,~/- boleh merupakan, yang boleh mem­ itu. Jadi satu perkara yang halus dan bawa perkara itu bertujuan memechah­ chermat, saya rasa patut-lah pe~ kan keamanan negeri ini, sebab barang­ Kerajaan me1llildtkan dan lilemberi kali banyak surat2 yang di-tampal keterangan yang lebeh haltis tentang di-merata tempat itu boleh menyalah.~ bagaitllana. ~hara-nya, bagaimana ben­ kan fikiran orang ramai. Tetapi pada da2 yang boleh di-perbedzakati di­ perkataan, kalau sa-kira-nya kita mem­ anta.ra tujuali petasaan hati detigan bacha boleh di-katakan pelin (plain), tujuan apa2 butir perkataan yang sa­ di-sabalek perkataan yang pelin (plain) benat-nya. 319 6 JULY 1960 320 Enche' Da Abdul Jalil: Tuan Yang undang2 ini. Pengalaman telah menun­

di-Pertua. saya berasa sukachita men­ jokkan bahawa dalam masa emergency ~ dengar jaminan yang telah di-beri dahulu sa-saorang itu di-tahan berta­ oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri Perta· hun2. tetapi sebab2 di-tahan itu tidak hanan tadi bahawa kuasa yang di-beri pernah di-nyatakan. Saya berharap per­ oleh undang2 ini Jidak akan di-salah kara ini tidak akan berlaku ya'ani gunakan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua. saya sebab2 tahanan itu tidak dapat di-nya­ ketabui bahawa sebab-nya dalam un· takan dengan alasan kepentingan kese­ dang2 ini kuasa yang besar di-beri lamatan negeri sa-bagaimana yang di­ kapada pehak pemerentah itu ia-lah nyatakan dalam undang2 ini. untok menjaga keamanan negeri ini. Saya suka juga mengusulkan bahawa dan kita memang mengetahui bahawa dalam menubohkan Advisory Board ada-lah menjadi kewajipan pemerentah sa-bagaimana yang terkandong dalam untok menjaga keamanan dan kesela­ undang2 ini. elok juga kira-nya di­ matan negeri ini dari sa-siapa juga masokkan parti2 yang lain daripada yang mahu menimbolkan buru-hara. parti pemerentah menjadi member bagi Tetapi kerana kuasa yang di-beri itu Advisory Board itu supaya dapat terlalu besar itu-Iah yang mendatang­ memberi peluang yang lebeh kapada kan kebimbangan kapada sa-tengah2 mereka yang di-tahan itu menyampai­ gulongan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua. kan· kan suara-nya dengan lebeh terjamin dongan undang2 ini sa-bagaimana yang dan 'adil. Ini bukan-lah saya menudoh kita ketahui ada-lah berlainan daripada Kerajaan tidak akan menggunakan undang2 biasa. Kalau-lah sa-saorang undang2 ini, atau pun Advisory Board melakukan satu2 perkara yang berten­ itu tidak akan menjalankan kuasa-nya tangan, orang itu di-anggap bersalah. dengan baik. Tetapi pengalaman telah sa-hingga ia sendiri dapat menunjokkan menunjokkan bahawa kadang2 Advi­ bahawa ia tidak bersalah; ini ada-lah 2 sory Board yang di-tubohkan itu lain daripada undang biasa, yang sa-bagaimana yang ada dalam Emer­ menyatakan sa-saorang itu tidak ber­ gency Regulation tidak-lah memberi salah. sa-hingga ia dapat di-buktikan faedah sangat kapada mereka2 yang bersalah. Dan jaminan yang di-beri itu, di-tahan di-bawah kuasa Undang2 saya harap mendapat perhatian bukan­ Dharurat ! Sebab2-nya sa-bagaimana lah dalam soal tahanan dan tangkapan yang saya katakan tadi sa-saotang itu itu sahaja, tetapi juga dalam soal badge bersalah sa-hingga ia dapat menunjok­ dan symbol daripada berbagai2 parti kan diri-nya tidak bersalah. sedangkan . juga jangan-Iah hendak-nya di-salah sebab bagi ia di-tahan tidak pula gunakan oleh kerana kandongan dapat di-nyatakan sa-bagaimana yang undang2 ini membolehkan Menteri di-kehendaki pada asal-nya dalam yang bersangkutan dalam perkara ini undang2 ini. mengbaramkan atau menegah badge dan symbol mana2 pertubohan atau Saya berharap perkara ini mendapat pun parti daripada di-gunakan. perhatian daripada Kementerian yang bersangkutan. Sa:-lain daripada itu, Tuitn Yang di­ Pertua. saya suka juga menarek per· Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr. Pre­ hatian berkenaan dengan Advisory sident. Sir. we have a Constitution Board yang di-tubohkan itu. Waiau in this country which was prepared pun sa-saorang itu akan di-beri segala by eminent jurists; and we can keterangan di-atas sebab2 itu di-tahan, legitimately take pride that this is one tetapi ada juga fasal dalam Rang of the best Constitutions in the world Undang2 ini yang menyatakan bahawa, that shows loyalty to democracy. Sir. kalau-lah ketei:angan itu di-fikirkari it is a significant fact that this Consti· bertentangan dengan kepentingan ne­ tution was• prepared in the midst of geri ini. maka sebab2 di-tahan itu tidak­ grave Emergency in the country. At lah mustahak dan perlu · di-beri tahu that time there was a set of rules and kapada orang yang ve~ent has done m mtroducmg bring an end to the Emergency this Bill. Regulations. Now the Government As a lawyer. I may not find that can. of course, _repeal all these some of the provisions are good for Emerge_ncy_ Regulations and comfort- the citizens. but then the good citizens ably. _sit m a smugway . un~er the need not fear this. Only those people provtsions of the Constitutio!l. C!f- who want to be citizens of this country course, all those people who beheve m and at the same time want to create fundamental human freedom would situations not conducive to the have welcomed such a situation. welfare of the country. should fear Personally. Sir. I do not like some these provisions. As the Honourable of the provisions in the Internal the Minister of Defence has said. the -?· Security Bill. They are restrictive, record o.f the Government speaks for they are not pleasant. But what I itself. These are not new powers. We like and dislike is not the question have had these powers during the last here. What is good for the country is ten years. The Governm~nt could the question. I am sure in the Govern- have used these powers In a most ment the Ministers and others are not unfair and arbitrary manner. They particularly fond of these provisions. have always shown their discretion. because they certainly make inroad No democratic Government can into the liberties of tlie people. They completely say in this world that "we give a lot of powers to the Police follow all the concepts of democrac~ officers which are likely to be abused, without making any infringement into and the general fear, when such a them". Every country. which is known legislation is passed. is that these to be a democratic country. accepted powers are likely to be abused. as a democratic country. considered Arrogation of powers is not generally to be a bastion of democracy, bas got looked upon with favour, and the some kind of restrictions which can Opposition has made a lot of noise always be interpreted as attacking or and they have appeared themselves evading human liberties. It is not for on the stage - of the Parliament me here to make specific reference to claiming that they were championing any /articular country; but we have the causes of the people, that they hear a lot of witch-hunting. we liave . were upholding the principles of heard a lot of Committees of · enQ.ui­ democracy and that this Government, ries. we have heard control of thoughts having expressed its faith in demo- being introduced in countries which cracy, is bringing about a set of are known to be democratic. If that is restrictions contrary to the principles so. this is nothing new here. I have of democracy. Well. Sir. in these read the Indian Constitution and days we have heard different views there are provisions similar to this or abQut the substance of democracy. I even harsher than this. So. having do not want to name countries. regard to the situation in this country Around Malaya we have heard and the history that it has had over "guided democracy". We have also the past ten years. and the sufferings heard "controlled democracy". I do and tribulations that our. people have 323 6 .JULY 1960 324 had to go through during the past ten will be generally as exceptions rather years. a Government. that comes than as the rule. forward to rule. must indeed rule. If One thing that perturbed me was it does not rule then it is not shoulder­ that-I do not know and perhaps the ing its responsibility of guardianship, Honourable the Minister of Defence of trusteeship, for the welfare of the will be able to enlighten me on this country and I think, though I don't point-we have here an advisory like some of the provisions, though committee upon a person being they are arbitrary, because principles brought under the preventive deten­ of · democracy are sacrificed to tion clause-Section 8. He can make expediency, still they are necessary, an application to the advisory board and Government will have to introduce and that board can make recommenda­ legislations from time to time which tions to the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. they themselves may not like but Then the Yang di-Pertuan Agong's which are necessary for the welfare of view on the matter shall be final and the country. You can point out many no Court can question the decision. So country which are com1idered to be a it is really a sort of administrative democratic country where such procedure by-passing the Court. Now restrictions are there. here under Article 40 of the Consti­ All I would like to make is a tution it is said that "the Yang di­ specific reference to one or two things Pertuan Agong will act on the advice that, to a lawyer, are regarded as of the Minister or the Cabinet"'. Now guiding principles-like, in the matter on one &ide of the case will be the of evidence, we have always been Government or the Minister and he fighting against letting in hearsay will be setting into motion a procedure against the person brought evidence. For instance, here, there is ",-...... _ an exception to that: under the under this detention, and once the Criminal Procedure Code, Section 113, recommendations go up to the Yang we normally do not admit the evidence di-Pertuan Agong, what I, as a lawyer made in the course of Police investiga­ and as a citizen, would be interested tion. Here is an exception to it. That to hear is that whether or not this particular exception is not really an decision will be made strictly by the exception because for this country it Yang di-Pertuan Agong in his own was· considered to be necessary that discretion. Of course, it may be said I'olice officers should not be given that it will be generally · so. The such powers as to be in a position to Minister will have no advisory capacity in a case where he himself is extract information. Therefore, the a party, and the Agong will be provision of the Criminal Procedure making his decisions strictly by him­ Code is there. But here, under the self. If this does not come within the Internal Security Bill, we have exceptions referred to in the Consti­ exceptions being made to it, but tution, then that is good enough. We these exceptions are similar to those expect that the decision of the Yang prevalent in the U.K. A statement di-Pertuan Agong will be entirely by can be admitted if made after due himself and in his own discretion. caution to the person who had made Sir, other than this I do not have the statement. There are other things, anything to say. This is, as I have. "ut we hope, since arrogation of said earlier on, a very necessary Bill. power may lead to abuse of power. We have had a lot of troubles in the and we take the assurance given by country. We have got various elements the Minister and we also take into which are below the surface and above ~nsid~ation the record the Govern­ the surface. We have seen an appalling inent ··over the years when they bad record of criminal activities prevalent these powers .with them, and yet they. particularly among the youths of this did not abuse. Abuses there will be to country. We have seen various some extent. You cannot have a organisations stealthily and secretly perfect human system. There may be functioning, marshalling the forces of a.nd·· there wiB be abuses, but they those misJed youths and directing 325 6 JULY 1960 ~i~ them into various kinds of really they can even topple a Government gruesome and dreadful criminal by such pr~ures as are consider«l to activities. The Criminal Procedure be completely unconstitutional. W• Code is there, but that by itself has have seen an ugly episode of it in an been found to be inadequate to Asian country recently. We have seeq control the situation. So this Part I of it elsewhere. And this country is not the Bill particularly will be very free from such potentialities. These useful. Then as regards the political explosive potentialities are there, and situation of the country itself, we are unless we have the type of. power in a embryonic or formative stage, a which the Government can immedi­ sort of transitional stage. We have ately and without delay enforc~. then got one set of people who are it would be · difficult for us to control already indigenous who are the real, the situation. That is why this piece shall I say, natives of the country. We of legislation is needed, especially in have got another set of peopfe who the absence of the Emergency have come from abroad, who have Regulations. stayed here for a number of years, who have shown their consistent Quite a number of Honourable admiration and loyalty to this country, Members in the Lower House, and they are travelling to the status particularly Members of the legal of citizenship. That is the transition. profession who represent the Opposi­ During this transitional period there tion parties, were attacking the has got to be a psychological atmos­ Government saying that the Police is phere-a psychological atmosphere of going to be made a demon, it is going acquiring rights, of experiencing to invade the ~ople with all manner rights and feeling that this country is of illegitimate means. But here I am ours. During this period it is very sure that the Government will give likely that politicians can be very such directions to the Police in dangerous. because politicians can enforcing the provisions. While it is release such ideas .. release the emotions necessary to see that subversive of the people, release the baser elements have got to be brought under instincts of the people, create such custody under these provisions, at the prejudices which may suddenly find same time the Police must use their way into an ugly situation. These reasonable discretion and I hope the situations may be brought on such Government will make the necessary .sensitive issues as language, as cautionary warning to the Police in communal rights, as various other exercising this. I think this has things. That is why this particular already been done, otherwise our word "hostility" is used. I was happy record of detainees over the years, as that the Lower House thought fit to it was pointed out by the Honourable delete the word "illwill" because the Minister of Defence, could not be "illwill" is incapable of easy inter­ so good. If the Government wanted, pretation. It may begin in a small way, they could have simply arrested people it may develop into a big way. in reckless manner-all sorts of Hostility specifically indicates some people whom they think to be anti­ kind of feeling more than that and, of Government. I was particularly happy course, if there is evidence that when the ·Honourable the Minister of politicians are not free just because Defence used the words ''loyal to the they are politicians, if they talk on country"~that is very important. platforms appealing to the ordinary "Loyal to the country" means loyalty to the country which has a special lower emotions of the people, rather meaning. · than to their reason, and create situa­ ,, tions, then this Government must be in _ In party politics one party may a·· -position to nip · them · in the bud, attack the other. That ·is another because we have • seen very ugly matter. The Alliance Government is not situations in tlle neighbouring free fr-0m attacks. In fact, some of the c;ountries. We have seen how young attacks can be very very defafl\~~ •. lads have been· so badly misled and can be vezy, l<>w in<\ee4. But in spite 327 6 JULY 1960 328 of it, the Alliance Government has not a situation before it arises. That is why · shown any vindictive spirit or a spirit all good citizens will have to support .''-<>:, of trying to use such powers as they this Bill and not merely talk clap-traps have through the Government in putting and in a platitudinous way as to fun· a threat to the Opposition forces. They damental liberties ·of human freedom have got complete freedom to attack and this and that. There is no absolute the Government of the day. But that is human freedom anywhere in the world. a different thing. To attack the very So, if we talk like that in an "airy· basis of the Constitution through sub· fairy" manner, merely showing our versive means or openly is another allegiance to theories and not being matter. That is why this Bill is intro· conscious of practical necessities, then, duced, and I simply cannot understand I think, we are misleading ourselves. So, how the Opposition Members can I congratulate the Government over its attack such a bill when we are still in a practical commonsense in introducing formative period of crystallizing our this Bill and I hope wherever possible loyalty. Our loyalty is still in a fluid caution and discretion will be used, so stage. A good section of the people's that there will be no ground for loyalty has still not been crystallized. If criticism that abuses are there. Thank put to a test, they may not be in a you very much. (Applause). position to take a stand firmly for the Engko Mohsein: Tuan Yang di· welfare of this country, though they Pertua, pepatah ada mengatakan: may be citizens here. That is where, "Ubat yang mujrab itu pahit rasa-nya. particularly, international communism transcends even racial feelings. Now, Sesal dahulu pendapatan; sesal ke· you take the country of Nepal, Mr. mudian tidak berguna." Dalam perkara President, Sir. The communist leader mentadbir atau pun memerentah sa· there took the side of Communist China sabuah negeri supaya ra'ayat sakalian over the recent incident there, and he hidup dalam aman, tenteram dan is a Nepalese. International communism ma'amor, maka saya perchaya ada-lah dictates itself to such an extent If that menjadi kewajipan tiap2 pemerentah is so, in this country where we have atau Kerajaan itu menjalan dan meng· racial affinities with China, cultural adakan peratoran dan undang2 guna affinities with China and ideological mentadbirkan keamanan, ketenteraman affinities with China, it is necessary to ra'ayat yang di-perentah itu dapat ber· have such a Bill to crystallise loyalty jalan dengan baik. Dengan berasaskan by putting down subversive elements. pada tujuan2 ini-lah saya perchaya Therefore, Mr. President, Sir, though I Rang Undang2 Keselamatan ini yang do not like some of the provisions, I terbuka untok di·bahathkan ini, sa­ have to support it, as a good citizen bagaimana yang kita tahu ia-itu ought to, and I have to congratulate the Undang2 Dharurat akan tamat pada 31 Government for its sense of respon­ haribulan July ini, dan kita juga tahu sibility in maintaining peace and order. walau pun dengan tamat-nya dharurat It is no use to be wiser after the event. ini maseh ada lagi sadikit sa-banyak Troubles may start suddenly and then anasir2 penyeludupan kominis yang to try to bring powers and to put down terus-menerus bergerak menjalankan the situation is not very clever. But if ranchangan2-nya untok tujuan mereka. we can create a situation whereby Maka sudah tentu-lah siapa juga peace and order shall be maintained yang mahu melihat bahawa keamanan and we can stop the flood before it dan ketenteraman negeri ini berjalan breaks through, that is really the dengan baik dan terator menyokong responsibility of good Government, and dengan sapenoh-nya Rang Undang2 while this Government has brought yang di-bahathkan ini. Boleh jadi ada about the end of the Emergency Regula­ satu dua perkara yang menchurigai tions or will be bringing the end of the atau pun tidak menyenangkan sa­ Emergency Regulations at the end of saorang atau satu2 pehak, boleh jadi this month, it has got to show its res­ ada beberapa fasal dalam undang2 ini ponsibility by creating the necessary yang tidak bagitu terang dan was2 pada degree of legislative power to put down sa-saorang, tetapi sa-bagaimana yang 329 6 JULY 1960 330 kita tahu undang2 itu bukan-lah Koran yang di-masokkan daripada tiga tempat atau kitab suchi. dan sebab itu-lah tadi-Hongkong, China dan Formosa saya perchaya dalam menjalankan itu sa-paroh2-nya banyak mengandongi tujuan untok membuat satu2 kebaikan, anasir2 atau pun pembachaan2 yan,g tentu ada sadikit kekurangan, tetapi walau pun di-pandang tidak chara itu-lah yang saya perchaya chara yang langsong tidak bagitu mudzarat-nya boleh di-buat oleh mana2 manusia yang tetapi dengan halus-nya membawa di-namakan makhlok Tuhan. Saya jalan fikiran kanak2 yang membacha perchaya tidak ada satu perkara yang buku2 itu terpengaroh kapada satu 100 peratus boleh memberi puas hati fahaman yang tertentu mengikut ke­ dan dengan sempurna-nya. hendak daripada penerbitan buku2 yang Saya ingin menarek perhatian Yang di-bawa dari negeri Hongkong, China Berhormat Menteri yang berkei:iaan dan Formosa itu. Buku2 ini, saya faham 2 bukan sahaja di-benarkan bagi bachaan dalam perkara pembachaan dan buku 2 yang mana perkara ini saya rasa ada­ kanak melalui kedai2 buku di-mana.:2 lah satu jalan yang besar sa-kali tempat tetapi juga ada sa-parohl-nya pengaroh-nya kapada fikiran orang sekolah yang maseh lagi menggunakan ramai untok satu2 tujuan yang tertentu. sa-bagai bukul tambahan bachaan. Sa-bagaimana yang kita tahu perjua­ Saya harap-lah oleh kerana bahaya ngan kominis dengan sa-chara pepera­ buku2 yang sa-bagini, sangat besar ngan atau dengan chara kekerasan akibat-nya pada jalan fikiran sa-baha­ nampak-nya sudah beransor kurang, gian daripada orang2 kita ia-itu-lah tetapi sa-bagaimana juga yang kita kanak2 yang bakal menjadi ra'ayat yang tahu perjuangan sa-chara penyeludupan mustahak 5, 6 tahun lagi atau pada dari sa-hari ka-sahari mungkin kuat lagi masa beberapa tahun lagi itu, di-jagai bagi pehak kominis itu, maka satu dengan sunggoh2 oleh pemerentah dail daripada perkara-nya ia-lah melalui jika boleh di-tahan langsong daripada pembachaan bukul dan lainl lagi tempat2 ini, daripada di-masokkan ka­ perchetakan. Malaya. Saya tahu bukul dari Hong~ Berchakap dalam perkara ini boleh kong ini pun ada-lah menjadi satu jadi orang mengatakan sa-bagai sa­ perkara merugikan, yang merosakkan orang ra'ayat dalam sa-buah negeri daripada. penerbitan2 buku tempatan yang Merdeka dan bebas, ada-lah kita di-sini. Banyak buku2 copyright­ bebas bagi sa-saorang itu membacha hak menchetak-nya di-punyai oleh pen­ apa sahaja buku untok menambah chetak orang2 kita di-sini yang telah pengetahuan masing2• saya bersetuju pula dengan chara putar helah di­ 100 peratus dengan pendapat ini. tetapi chetak "Hongkong" atau negeri2 lain tiap2 satu perkara itu ada had dan itu dan di-bawa di-sini di-jual dengan batas-nya. murah-nya dan ini ada-lah juga satu Maka dalam perkara ini apa yang perkara walau pun tidak mengenai sub· versive tetapi merugikan demi kepen­ saya maksudkan ia-lah di-samping 2 memberi . kebebasan kapada ra'ayat tingan ra'ayat kita di-sini. sakalian; menambah pengetahuan Dalam segi merosakkan bahasa ke­ dengan bachaan apa jua jenis buku bangsaan juga, buku2 dari Hongkong yang mustahak maka memandang ka­ ini juga memberi fasal yang banyak. pada chara2 penyeludupan subversive Saya telah membacha dalam sa-buah ini terlampau halus telan-nya maka kedai buku2 di-Kuala Lumpur, bukul tidak-kah munasabah bagi Kerajaan yang di-chetak daripada Hongkong mengambil satu · tindakan yang tegas dalam bahasa kebangsaan, bahasa2-nya, pada satu jenis gulong.an orang kita jika kita. katakan bahasa pasar Melayu yang maseh lagi akal-nya mulai mahu sudah. tidak. bagus. Tetapi sa-paroh tahu membacha itu tidak terpengaroJi aaripada buku~ itu lebeh dua kali ganda itu-lah gulongan2 .kanak 2 sekolah. uaripada itu lagi dan buku2 ini juga Kanak2 sekolah ini terutama sa-kali di-beli oleh kanak2 kita. untok me­ sekolah2 yang bukan di-bawah kawalan nambah pengetahuan mereka dalam Kerajaan. saya faham banyak mendapat bahasa Kebangsaan. Jadi itu-Iah. :sa_ya buku2 yang di·masokkan daripada harap pehak Kerajaan mengambil tin· Hongkong, China. dan Formosa. Buku2 dakan dengan sa-wajar-nya dan saya I /

331 6 JULY 1960 332 suka tegaskan bahawa pandangan saya to face facts, face differences that are sa-bagai bukuZ dari Hongkong, arising around us everywhere. I am sure Formosa dan China di-larang masok that everybody in this House will give di-sini bukan-lah bertujuan untok me­ a unanimous support to this Bill and nahan atau pun untok menjatohkan will rest assured on the undertaking atau hendak merosakkan pengetahuan, of the Honourable the Minister of kebudayaan, persuratan bangsa China. Defence that there will be no vindictive Sebab, saya tahu memang-lah tidak action and that there will be no abuse dapat di-nafikan bukuz pengetahuan because we give this power to the yang banyak dalam bahasa China Government. (Applause). melalui negeriz yang asal-nya itu. Tujuan saya ia-lah sa-mataz untok Dato' Dr. Cheah Toon Lok: Mr. menahankan supaya fahaman yang ber­ President, Sir, after hearing the learned lainan dengan kehendak kita tadi, explanations of the legal Members of tidak melalui bukuz itu menarek kanakz this Honourable House, all of us feel kita di-sini melalui pembachaanz satisfied that the body of this enactment mereka itu. will meet the requirements of a chang­ ing Malaya. We are bringing into being Dato' E. E. C. Thuraisingham: Mr. a new nation and unless this new and President, Sir, my Honourable and young nation can be protected, we will learned friend Senator Mr. Athi never reach maturity, and all learned Nahappan has carefully analysed this friends have agreed that certain parts. Bill. There is very little else that I could in the enforcement of this enactment, add except to say for myself and many require great discretion on the part others who have talked on this matter of our Minister in charge and also on with me, that this legislation is an the part of the enforcement officers absolute necessity; it cannot be avoided who will have to carry out the in view of the past in Malaya and in implementation of this Bill. I agree the background of the great confticts entirely that this legislation is required that are going on around this world. in the ending of the Emergency and I There were a lot of talk about abuse. have heard just now the assurances We have a very disciplined police given by our Minister of Defence that force. There are cases of petty tyranny the implementation of this Bill will be here and there, corruption here and carried out with justice, with discretion there, but, all in all, our police force and with caution so that good feeling have discipline, and they conduct their will obtain between all the people in work with good humour, and, in many this country. cases, with great restraint. I am sure that this abuse which has been talked Just now, a point was raised by my of by many critics of this Bill is purely Honourable friend Engku Muhsein a redherring, in my opinion. With regarding books in certain schools. I correct and definite instruction from the know that books that are being Government to the police force, I do taught in all schools in this country not fear abuse-abuse is likely to be are approved by the Education Depart­ talked of in almost all cases of ment, and I see no reason why a detention. It had been talked of before departure should be made from this and it will be talked of hereafter. But rule. It was suggested that books from it is for the Advisory Committee, and other countries were being used in the for the Minister concerned, to weigh Chinese schools. I do not think that is these matters and to take prompt, fair correct. I agree with him that textbooks and firm action before any trouble used in our schools should, if possible, really comes. Although our Government be printed in Malaya and supervised is young it has in the past months. by the Education Department for the earned a reputation of great maturity use of all schools. and statesmanship. Headed by our I hope that this Bill will be supported Prime Minister, we have, as a young strongly by this House so that the nation, been proud that he had set his young nation, that we will be bringing aims high. He has conducted himself as into being, will reach maturity. There a mature statesman who is not afraid is a saying that it is difficult for any 333 6 JULY 1960 334 human being to judge whether it is Now, my Honourable friend Dato' ,';::,·_ right to do the right thing in the wrong Shelley quoted a number of examples way or the wrong thing in the right in which he said that the Police have way. This will be debated to the end of not been carrying out their duties. The time. Thank you, Sir. Honourable Dato' Shelley mentioned that Part II of this Bill-this is what Tun Abdul Razak: Mr. President he said-"relates to a hypothetical Sir. I am indeed very grateful to many situation". But I would like to make it Honourable Members who have clear that this Part II of the Bill relates supported this Bill and I think the to the actual situation which exists at sentiments, the feelings of the Govern­ the moment. We have now armed ment on this Internal Security Bill are terrorists, 583 armed terrorists, and the same as expressed by :my Honour­ because we have such a substantial able and learned friend Mr. Nahappan. number of persons carrying arms That is to say, some of us do not like against the Government, we have to certain provisions of this Bill and they have these provisions in this Bill; and are, we must admit. not strictly in I am afraid the examples stated by my conformity with our principles of Honourable friend Dato' Shelley are parliamentary democracy, but the not connected with Part II of the Bill, justification for this Bill, as my Honour­ nor with the whole of this Bill. They able and learned friend Dato' Thurai­ are concerned with the normal singham has said, is its absolute maintenance of law and order and, as necessity. my Honourable and learned friend As a number of Honourable Mem­ Dato' Clough Thuraisingham has said, bers have said, we are a young nation; I admit, as the Minister responsible to our independence is just three years old; the Police, that there is petty tyranny and parliamentary democracy in this here and there, and mis-judgment hetc country is new and is a tender plant, and there. But. on the whole, the Police which will have to take time to grow .. force have done splendid work during It is, therefore, necessary in its tender these difficult transitional years. years for us to protect, to nurture, it, (Applause). I am afraid I cannot say because in our country there are off-hand about the facts of the cases people who want to destroy this as stated by my Honourable friend democracy, this independence of ours. Dato' Shelley, but I say, they concern That is why we have to take this the normal maintenance of law and measure to protect our country and order, and, if the Honourable Member our people against this thing. People will let me have more details of the who talk about democracy merely, as case, I will certainly investigate; and I have said many a time, use that if there has been any misjudgment or democracy in order to destroy it, and miscarriage of justice, we certainly will it is against such people that we have endeavour to put it right. But I must to have these measures. As I have said say also that although it is the responsi· when introducing this Bill-and I say bility of the Police to maintain law and it again-the Government will see to order, the Police alone cannot do the it, in administering this Bill, that it work without the support and co­ will be fair and just to all concerned. I operation of the general public, and in repeat that the Alliance Government is normal peace-time we cannot have prepared to stand on its record in this Police everywhere. Now, with the matter of preventive detention. It is no ending of the Emergency we have to pleasure to us to detain people as I have reduce the number of our Police force' said, it is, in fact, necessary that we and it is my hope that members of the must have power of preventive deten­ public and Honourable Members of tion in order to prevent those who want Parliament, in particular, will .give the to overthrow the democratic Govern­ Police every co-operation in its difficult ment of this country by subversive work of maintaining law and order, means from carrying out their inten­ and I am sure, if there is co-operation, tions, and this is necessary, as I said, the Police will be able to carry out in the interest of our country. their duties efficiently and fairly. 335 6 JULY 1960 336 My Honourable and learned friend keluar-masok qaripada sempadan itu Mr. Nahappan mentioned about Clause dan harus masok ka-Tanah Melayu in; ·--­ 12 of the Bill, and I would like to jadi itu-lah sebab-nya kawasaiJ. itu di- · explain that under aause 12 of the luaskan sadikit. Sunggoh pun kita meng­ Bill the decision of the Yang di-Pertuan istiharkan kawasan2 itu Security Areas, Agong will be made on advice, that is ini tidak berma'ana-lah semua sa-kali to say, the decision is with the Cabinet, kuasa2 atau pun fasal2 dalam bahagian and I do not think it is fair to give (2) undang2 ini akan di-kenakan di­ His Majesty a discretion on a matter of semua tempat. such great importance. Obviously this Chadangan saya ia-lah di-kehendaki question of subversion is a political pehak polis dan juga tentera menyerang matter and a matter for· the Govern­ kominis, pehak orang ramai tidak-lah ment; and the Government of the day akan di-kehendaki mengambil babagian. must take full responsibility. It is true melainkan hanya-lah menjaga tempat that in the first instance the Minister masing2 sahaja dan bagitu juga sekatan will be asked to sign the Order of tidak akan di-kenakan, melainkan di· Detention, but the . Minister can only fikirkan mustahak. Dan kita harap do so after the Cabinet is satisfied that keadaan sa-macham ini tidak ber­ there are reasonable grounds-the kelamaan, kerana kita harap kominis Cabinet must be satisfied that it is yang ada lagi itu tidak akan tinggal necessary-to detain a person to lagi dalam negeri ini, akan tetapi sa­ prevent him from acting in a manner lagi mereka itu ada, terpaksa-lah kita prejudicial to the security of this mengambil tindakan saperti yang saya country. So there are adequate safe­ sebutkan tadi. guards. As I have said, this is a matter Yang Berhormat Tuan Nik Hassan which must be left entirely in the hands ada memberi pandangan berkenaan of the Government, for the Government dengan keluaran buku2 dan sa-bagai­ is responsible for a matter like this nya. Jadi menurut Fasal 22, jika Kera­ and the Government is answerable to jaan memikirkan yang buku2 itu atau the Parliament. pun surat2 itu akan menarek orang Yang Berhormat Enche' Ahmad Said untok melanggar apa jua .perentah ada memberi pandangan berkenaan "lawful" atau menurut Perlembagaan, Security Areas yang akan di-istiharkan buku2 atau pun surat2 itu akan di-taban menurut bahagian (2) Rang Undang2 daripada di-guna atau di-keluarkan. ini. Yang sabenar-nya saya tidak dapat Jadi chara Kerajaan membuat-nya itu hendak mengistiharkan perkara ini pada ia-lah dengan mengistiharkan melalui hari ini, kerana belum dapat keputusan Gazette, saya fikir tentu-Iah payah di-mana tempat yang di-jadikan Security kapJ:lda Kerajaan hendak memberi tahu semua sa-kali berkenaan dengan jualan Areas itu. Saperti yang saya katakan 2 tadi chadangan Kerajaan ia-lah hendak buku ini. J adi dengan sa-berapa boleh mengadakan Security Areas hanya-lab Kerajaan akan menahan buku2 yang sa­ sempadan Tanah Melayu dengan negeri macham itu daripada di-jual. Jadi 2 mustahak-lah orang2 yang berniaga Siam ia-itu negeri Perlis, Kedah, Perak buku2 itu menjaga dan menengok dan juga Kelantan. Dan sa-belum per­ Gazette ini dari satu masa ka-satu kara ini di-putuskan tentu-lah kita akan masa supaya tidak menjual perkara2 berunding dengan Jawatan-Kuasa Pepe­ yang salah. Yang sabenar-nya, kita rangan di-negeri2 itu, tetapi saya suka bukan-lah hendak menyusahkan orang juga terangkan bahawa mustahak-lah di­ yang tidak sengaja membuat salah, . adakan Security Areas ini luas sadikit tetapi banyak orang yang tahu buku2 daripada sempadan itu. Sunggoh pun itu salah pada undang2, sengaja di­ barangkali pengganas itu ada berdekatan jual-nya dengan tujuan yang tidak baik; dengan sempadan, akan : tetapi mus­ jadi orang yang sa-macham ini akan tahak-lah kita jadikan kawasan Security di-kenakan apa2 jua hukuman yang Areas itu jauh sadikit, kerana kita patut, dan bagitu juga pehak yang maseh lagi dalam peperangan ia-itu mengechap-nya Kerajaan akan meng­ melawan pengganas kominis itu dan ambil tindakan juga menurut fasal2 mereka itu tidak dapat tidak tentu akan yang ada ini. 337 6 JOLY 1960 3~8 Berkenaan dengan tafsiran. saya rasa dapat di-jalankan jika politic di-bawa perkara ini tidak susah hendak di­ ka-dalam perkara yang saperti ini. tafsirkan. Menurut Fasal 22, kalau di­ Tidak dapat tidak sa-suatu parti yang dapati orang yang menjual itu salah, dudok dalam Board yang sa-macham buku2 itu hanya di-tahan sahaja dari­ fui, kalau orang parti-nya di-tahan, pada di-keluarkan. Perkara tafsiran ini tentu dengan sa-berapa boleh ia men­ kalau hendak di-binchangkan dengan chuba hendak melepaskan-nya-ini panjang-lebar tentu-lah akan mengambil tidak dapat di-elakkan, kerana ia ber­ masa, sebab perkara ini kata orang tanggong-jawab kapada parti-nya; kalau Puteh : ''This is a matter of definition tidak buat bagitu, ia akan di-pechat and opinion" jadi tentu-lah boleh dapat oleh parti-nya (Ketawa) kita tidak tahu mana satu buku2 atau pun surat2 hendak perkara yang sa-macham ini yang di-fikir-melanggar undang2 yang ka-dalam. apa yang kita hendak ia-lah di-sebutkan ini. Tetapi saya yakin dan ke'adilan; jadi kalau dapat orang yang perchaya, rakan $aya Menteri Dalam tidak menyebelah mana2 pehak yang yang bertanggong-jawab berkenaan memandang dari segi ke'adilan. itu yang dengan hal ini akan mengambil apa kita kehendaki. juga tindakan bagi menjaga perkara ini, kerana Kerajaan tahu banyak buku2 Yang Berhormat Engku Muhsein pun ada memberi pandangan berkenaan yang masok daripada luar negeri yang 2 di-fikirkan subversive. itu-lah yang sa­ dengan hal buku sekolah, itu pun benar-nya yang kita hendak tahan. pehak Kerajaan mengambil pandangan J adi buku2 ini tidak ada dalam negeri yang berat kerana satu daripada perkara ini. pehak printing tahu dan jarang yang pehak komunis hendak chuba menjalankan anasir2 subversive ia-lah membuat salah, yang selalu di-dapati 2 buku2 yang salah itu datang-nya dari melalui sekolah . Jadi, satu perkara luar negeri. yang besar yang saya perchaya pehak Kementerian Pelajaran ada-lah meng­ Yang Berhormat Enche' Da Jalil ambil tindakan dan perkara ini saya dari Trengganu ada memberi pandangan fikir boleh di-binchangkan dengan yang sa-tengah-nya saya sendiri tidak panjang lebar apabila penyata Jawatan­ faham. Kata-nya ia-itu orang yang di­ Kuasa Pelajaran yang baharu ta' lama tahan itu tidak di-beri sebab2-nya. Iagi dapat kita dengar di-bentangkan Fasal 11 (2) (b) ada di-terangkan ia-itu dalam Parlimen ini. Dan ini satu Menteri yang berkenaan akan memberi masaalah yang besar sebab sa-belum keterangan "the grounds on which the kita dapat menahan semua sakali buku2 order is made" jadi ada di-terangkan yang datang dari · luar, mustahak-lah di-sini, orang yang di-tahan itu ada di­ kita di-sini dapat mengadakan buku2 beri keterangan. apa sebab-nya yang menchukupi ka-hendak semua sekolah2. ia itu di-tahan; sa-lepas daripada itu J adi satu kesusahan pada masa yang ia boleh-lah menda'awa jika di· lalu kalau kita tahan buku2 dari luar kehendaki. Dan bagitu juga berkenaan dengan ahli Advisory Board, kata-nya negeri masok kerana di-sini tidak ada ia-itu patut juga di-adakan ahli2-nya buku2 yang boleh menggantikan bagi daripada parti pembangkang. Dalam sementara. Jadi itu-lah perkara-nya melantek ahli Advisory Board ini kita saya katakan tetapi perkara yang luas, tidak memandang kapada parti politik, yang besar kita harap boleh binchang­ kita berkehendakan orang yang 'adil, kan apabila Penyata Pelajaran yang yang ada mempunyai fikiran yang waras baharu itp dapat di-bentangkan dalam dan yang saksama. Itu-lah sebab-nya Dewan Parlimen ini. Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, itu-lah sahaja perkara2 yang . ,>. di-kehendaki Pengerusi Advisory Board ini ia-lah sa-orang Hakim ia-itu orang di-kemukakan berkenaan dengan yang tidak · berkaitan dengan mana2 Undang2 ini dan saya sakali: lagi mengu­ pehak yang memandangkan perkara chapkan berbanyak terima kaseh kapada ini daripada segi ke'adilan, bukan dari· Ab1i2 Yang Berhormat yang telah pada segi mana2 parti. Kerajaan tidak memberi sokongan kapada Rang menimbang dan berchadang hendak Undang2 ini yang di-fikirkan sangat2 melantek orang yang berkaitan dengan mustahak bagi kita mengadakan-nya parti. kerana kita tahu ke'adilan tidak untok keselamatan negeri ini. (Tepok). 339 6 JULY l960 340 Question put, and agreed to. types of weapons, such as repeating shot Bill accordingly read a second time guns, missiles, arms designed to dis­ and committed to a Committee of the charge any noxious liquid, grenade whole House. bombs, etc.; also, under this clause, the normal age of applicants is raised House immediately resolved itself from 16 to 18. Now, under clause 6 (1) into a Committee on the Bill. of the Bill, exemption from requiring Bill considered in Committee. a licence is limited to His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong and Their (Mr. President in the Chair) Highnesses the Rulers and the Clauses 1 to 84 inclusive ordered to Governors. I have, however, proposed stand part of the Bill. that Members of Parliament and First Schedule ordered to stand part Members of State and Executive of the Bill. Councils should also be exemptt)Cf, Second Schedule ordered to stand part Certain penalties under the Bill, of the Bill. under clause '9, have been imposed, but the period of imprisonment is now Bill reported without amendment: raised from 3 years to a maximum of read the third time and passed. 7 years. Clauses 10 to 23 contain pro­ visions for licensing of dealers and THE ARMS BILL repairers of arms, transfer of arms, Second Reading importation and exportation of arms and ammunition, etc. There is only one Tun Leong Yew Koh: I beg to important change brought in in this move that a Bill intituled "an Act to Bill-that is clause 24. Under clause 24 amend and consolidate the law relating there is provision for appeal from the to arms, imitation arms and ammuni­ licensing officers' refusal to grant tion" be read a second time. licence, to the Minister. There was no Ungku Muhsein: Sir. I beg to second such provision before. These are the the motion. only major changes effected by ~his Bill. Tun Abdul Razak: Mr. President, Sir, There is only one other important I take leave to explain this Bill briefty .. provision. That is the question of This is in the nature of a consolidation imitation arms under clause 30. It is Bill. Under the Constitution, arms is important to have this provision to the responsibility of the Federal Govern­ prevent the importation, possession ment, and the present legislation on and custody of imitation arms, because amis licensing varies from State to imitation arms can be as dangerous as State and some of them are of some the ordinary arms, because they can be antiquity. Therefore, it is necessary for used for committing crimes. us to have a new legislation consoli­ dating these various Enactments. This Sir, I hope this Bill will have the Arms Bill has one principal object. approval of this House. and that is to provide that no person Enche' Nik Hassan: Tuan Yang di­ in this country can carry or use arms Pertua, dala.m Bakal Undang2 ini saya or ammunition unless he holds a licence menyokong di-atas dasar dan tujuan or permit. Therefore. clause 3 is the hendak mengadakan Undang2 ini serta most important provision of this Bill. butir2 yang ada dalam Undang2 ini. Sir, there is no need for me to go Tetapi saya suka menarek perhatian through this Bill clause by clause. kapada satu kejadian yang pemah ,- There are only a few niaj~r changes berlaku dan telah berlaku di·satu provided in this Bill. Under this Bill tempat di-dalam negeri Kelantan now the licensing of arms and ammuni­ sa-masa hampir dengan pileban raya tion is provided whereas the existing yang di-adakan dalam tahun 1959, Enactments only concern the licensing ia-itu sa-telah di-adakan satu per­ of arms. Clause 5 contains a new pr~ seliseban di-antara berbagai2 parti vision to provide that no arms licence dalalfl pileban raya maka satu can be granted or renewed for certain. percbubaan telab di ..buat ·clan pernah 341 6 JULY 1960 342 berlaku bukan sahaja dekat dengan dia menyimpan pelurq atau benda'.:I pilehan raya bahkan pada bila2 masa yang di-tegah itu maka dia akan juga. Siapa2 yang tidak suka kapada di-hukum dengan mengikut bab sa-saorang itu maka di-letak-nya Undang2 ini. Tetapi kawan yang peluru2 di-dekat atau di-bawah rumah menyimpan ini bukan dia yang atau pun di-dalam rumah pehak yang menyimpan, orang lain yang simpan dia tidak bersetuju itu. Dan pada biasa­ kerana dia chuba hendak mengkhianat nya pehak polis ini dia mendapat ke­ kapada tuan rumah ini. Jadi tentu-lah nyataan2 daripada, boleh jadi informer tuan rumah ini tidak tahu mana atau pun daripada mana2 pehak. Jadi hendak tunjokkan benda ini kerana waktu menerima kenyataan2 ini saya bukan dia simpan tetapi orang lain tidak tahu-lah bagaimana polis menim­ yang letakkan, jadi orang ini di­ bangkan kenyataan itu tetapi telah di· dapati salah. Dalam menerima buat penyiasatan dengan chara mengejut kenyataan2 chara rahsia ini saya rasa dan di-dapati peluru itu ada di-rumah polis tidak boleh dudok diam orang yang berkenaan itu. Apabila ma'ana-nya, kalau sa-kira-nya dia telah menemui peluru itu, sa-patut-nya menerima kenyataan2 yang berupa orang itu di-dapati salah-lah kerana khianat, ta' boleh-lah pehak polis ini di-dapati peluru itu di-dalam rumah berdiam diri sa-telah di-dapati orang yang berkenaan itu. Tetapi perkara information yang berupa apabila perkara ini telah di-serahkan khianat. Sa-kira-nya polis dapati kapada sa-orang loyar untok membi· information yang di ..berikan itu charakan perkara ini, belum pun berupa khianat maka sa-patut-nya­ perkara ini di-bawa ka-Mahkamah lah polis mengambil langkah maka kejadian ini telah di-tarek menda'wa atau menghukum atau balek oleh pehak polis dengan mengambil langkah kapada pehak ;;;--~ kerana saya perchaya-lah information yang chuba memberi satu information yang dapat itu tidal( terang dan ada· yang boleh mengkhianati kapada lab satu perbuatan khianat kapada orang yang tidak berdosa itu. Tetapi pehak yang berkenaan. dalam perkara yang biasa-nya berlakµ di-negeri Kelantan yang saya tahu. Jadi, perkara yang sa-umpama ini satu kes dekat election dahulu, sa­ pernah berlaku, perkara perbuatan orang yang menyimpan peluru rifle khianat dalam perkara menyim_Qan tetapi bukan dia yang menyimpan peluru, menyimpan senapang, pistol 2 di-dalam satu tin di-rumah-nya, dia dan lain lagi ini ada-lab pemah di-charge tetapi .polis menarek balek­ berlaku kapada orang2 yang tidak tidak di-hukum orang yang di-dapati bersalah. Dan di-negeri Kelantan-lah peluru di-dalam rumah-nya ·itu. satu negeri yang biasa ada berlaku Tetapi pehak polis berdiam diri tidak kerana negeri Kelantan ini bersem· padan dengan Siam ini pada biasa­ mengambil langkah di-atas informa­ nya ada perbuatan2 membawa masok tion yan[_ di-beri yang berupa 2 2 khianat itu. Jadi, orang yang sa­ peluru , senapang daripada Siam umpama ini apabila dia sakit hati di-bawa masok melalui Kelantan atau hendak marah atau berseliseh dengan chara haram. Jadi, sa-kira-nya 2 pehak polis tidak menyiasat dengan faham dengan mana pehak dia chuba betul information yang dapat itu dan memberi information yang berupa chara bagaimana hendak mendapat khianat kapada orang yang tidak information itu boleh menyebabkan berdosa. Jadi kejadian sa-umpama orang yang di-khianati oleh satu ini akan berlaku dan sentiasa berlaku pehak itu di-dapati salah dan terpaksa sa-kira-nya tidak di-kawal, dan sa­ di-kenakan hukuman wal-hal mereka kira-nya pehak polis menerima itu tidak tahu menahu apa yang information itu tidak dengan chermat berlaku di-dalam rumah-nya. dan orang yang mengkhianat kapada pehak yang tidak berdosa ini di· , Di-dalam Undang2 ini ada me· hukum betuF, Ini ada-lah perkara nyebutkan siapa2 yang di-pereksa oleh yang patut di-ambil perhatian oleh pehak polis dan dia tidak hendak pehak Kerajaan dan saya rasa menunjokkan di-mana tempat-nya mustahak sangat supaya kesenangan 343 6 JULY 1960 344 dan kebaikan pehak yang tidak Tun Abdul .Razak: Tuan Yang di­ berdosa itu di-kawal dan di-jaga Pertua, berkenaan dengan pandangan dengan baik. Itu-lah sahaja pandangan yang di-berikan oleh Yang Berhormat " saya dan saya m.inta-lah pehak Nik Hassan. saya akan mengambil Kerajaan mengambil perhatian supaya ingatan, akan tetapi yang mustahak-nya tidak berbangkit perkara2 sa-macham perkara itu ia-lah mendapat keterangan ini di-masa hadapan. sa-belum sa-saorang itu di-da'awa di­ dalam Mahkamah, kerana memberi . Enche' Mohamed Zahir bin Haji penerangan yang mana tak pernah Ismail: Mr. President, Sir, I would like berlaku saperti ini. Saya perchaya, to draw the attention of the Minister kalau pehak Polis ada keterangan yang to Section 3 (1) of this Bill which sempurna, perkara itu tentu akan di­ reads that "no person shall have in bawa ka-dalam Mahkamah. his possession, custody or control any arms or ammunition unless he is the As regards the comment made by holder of an arms licence in that the Honourable Enche' Mohamed behalf granted to him under the Zahir, I am of the view that it is provisions of section 4". The sub-title necessary to have the word "custody" reads, "No person to possess, carry or here. I am quite sure that in the two use arms or ammunition without a instances. he quoted they must be licence or permit". The word "carry" proved by: fact. Obviously, no Court is there in the small title, but not in would say that that a person is in cus­ the main body of section 3 (1). tody of arms because he happens to go Mr. President, Sir, I have been to a person's house at that time and considering the word "custody"- because, when he was in the House. whether the word "custody" is too the Police happened to find the firearm wide to include every person who in the House. Obviously he can say ...::~ unintentionally carries a firearm. For that he is not in custody because the instance. if I were to travel in my car person is on a visit to his House. This and if I were to give a lift to a is a question of fact. and I am sure friend of mine and he has a firearm in the two instances he quoted the in his hands and then he drops in a person would not be liable. As I have shop to drink, leaving the firearm in said, the principal object of this section my car while I remain in the car, is merely to prevent a person from then I can be interpreted to have possessing or having in his control or custody of that arm, and although custody arms without a licence, and I there is Section 6 (2) exempting any think the word here is quite clear. I persons such as a licensed dealer or am not a legal expert. but I am licensed repairer or any servant thereof, advised that this is a correct wording or importers or exporters of arms or any by the Legal section. servant or agent of such persons, I Question put, and agreed to. cannot. see whether a person, who was in the circumstances which I stated Bill accordingly read a second time just now, could be exempted. I quote and committed to a Committee of the another instance, Mr. President. Sir, whole House. supposing that a friend of mine comes to my house, and he brings a gun House immediately resolved itself with him and then goes out for a into a Committee on the Bill. while to buy cigarettes, and there it is Bill considered in Committee. found in my house; there I have the custody of that gun. Am I liable (Mr. President in the Chair) under Section 3 (I)? This is in con­ nection with arms as well as Clauses 1 to 52 inclusive ordered ammunition. I am of the opinion that to stand part of the Bill. the words "possession" and "control" First Schedule ordered to stand part should be sufficient and that the of the Bill. word "custody" should be deleted. I do not know. I just give my views on Second Schedule ordered to stand this matter. part of the Bill. 345 6 JULY 1960 346 Third Schedule ordered to stand Bill considered in Committee. part of the Bill. (Mr. President in the Chair) Bill reported without amendment: read the third time and passed. Clauses I to 4 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill. Bill reported without amendment: THE POLICE (AMENDMENT) . read the third time and passed. BILL Second Reading mE VISITING FORCES BILL Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to Second Reading move that a Bill intituled "an Act to Tun Leong Yew Koh: I beg to move amend the Police Ordinance, 1952" be that a Bill intituled "an Act to amend read a second time. and consolidate the law with respect Engku Muhsein: Sir, I beg to second to naval, military and air forces of the motion. certain other countries visiting the Federation, and to provide for . the Tun Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang di­ 2 apprehension and disposal of Pertua, Rang Undang ini pendek deserters or absentees without leave in sahaja. Tujuan-nya ia-lah pertama, the Federation from the ·forces of such hendak memberi kuasa kapada pehak countries, and for purposes connected Chief Police Officer menentukan with the matters aforesaid" be read a "Curfew" di-mana2 tempat yang di­ second time. fikirkan mustahak dan kuasa ini hanya­ lah dalam tempoh 24 jam sahaja. Jadi Enche' Nik H89San: I beg to second telah di-dapati kuasa ini sangat mus­ the motion. tahak di-punyai oleh Pegawai Polis, ;;;A-\!> Tun Abdul Razak: Mr. President. kerana jikalau berlaku satu2 per­ Sir, the purpose of this Bill is also to gadohan di-antara mana2 puak dan consolidate the existing law relating jikalau polis tidak dapat menahan to visiting forces and also to make orang keluar daripada rnmah dengan some amendments to it in view of the serta-merta, selalu-nya perkara ini jadi independent status of tlie Federation. merebak, menjadi besar. Dan beberapa The most important provision is con­ chontoh telah di-dapati sebab polis tained, of course, in Part II of the Bill dapat menahan orang keluar daripada which deals with jurisdiction, and rumah dengan serta-merta, maka clause 6 provides that the Service pergadohan yang sa-macham itu tidak courts and Service authorities of a dapat merebak. Sebab kuasa ini ada country to which this law applies may dalam Undang2 Dharurat sahaja, 2 have jurisdiction in .the Federation over tidak ada dalam Undang Tetap members of their forces. But under negeri, maka ini-lah hendak di-pinda clause 7, under certain arrangements Undang2 Polis . ini, dan jikalau or agreement, the Federation courti hendak di-panjangkan "Curfew" ini may also have jurisdiction, ·and this mustahak-lah dapat persetujuan dari­ Part provides for the arrest and pada Menteri yang bertanggong-jawab. custody of offenders against the Perkara yang kedua, hendak mem­ Federation law and provides that buat peratoran berkenaan dengan they should remain in the Federation Auxiliary Police. Pada masa ini until they are brought before the peratoran ini hanya-lah ada dalam court. Undang2 Dharurat. Saya harap 2 It is necessary to have this Bill in undang ini dapat sokongan daripada view of the fact that from time to Dewan ini. time we have members of the forces Question put, and agreed to. of other countries visiting our country Bill accordingly read a second time and also members of · our forces and committed to a Committee of the visiting other countries for training. whole House. Mr. Presideat: If no Honourable . House immediately resolved itself Member wishes to speak I shall put into a Committee on the Bill. the question. 347 6 JULY 1960 34S Question put, and agreed to. Therefore, there will be no question Bill aceordingly read a second time of stopping such compensation or and committed to a-Committee of the allowances when the Emergency is - whole House. declared at an end and. therefore. '~ Clause 6 of the Bill provides for the House immediately resolved itself continuation of payment of such into a Committee on the Bill. compensation. Bill considered in Committee. Clause 8 also provides for the (Mr. President in the Chair) validity of sentences and orders made under the Emergency Regulations. Clauses 1 to 19 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill. Clause 10 makes provision for the appointment of an administrator to Schedule ordered to stand part of carry out the provisions of the Act, and the Bill. the powers and duties of the Bill reported without amendment: administrator are stated in this clause. read the third time and passed. Sir, as I have said, this Bill is necessary in view of the ,fact that we 1BE EMERGENCY REGULA­ are ending the Emergency on 31st of July, and I do hope that this House TIONS (INDEMNITY) BILL will be able to give its approval. Second Reading Question put. and agreed to. Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, Bill accordingly read a second time Sir. I beg to move that a Bill and committed to a Committee of the intituled "an Act to indemnify public whole House. officers and other persons in respect of House immediately resolved itself into ,;"' acts done under the Emergency a Committee on the Bill. Regulations Ordinance, 1948, and to provide for certain other matters Bill considered in Committee. arisi~g out of the cesser of . ~uch (Mr. Presi.dent in the Chair) Ordm~nce pursuant to the prov1S1ons . . .. of Article 163 of the Constitution" be Clauses I to 12 mcluswe ordered to read a second time. stand part of the Bill. Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to _Schedule ordered to stand part of the second the motion. Bill. Bill reported without amendment: Tun Abdul Razak: Mr. President, read the third time and passed. Sir. in view of the fact that we are btjnging the Emergency to an end on Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m. 31st of July, it is necessary to have this Bill. The main purpose of this Sitting resumed at 2.30 p.m. Bill is. of course, to protect an officer (Mr. President in the Chair) who has done an act in good faith and belief that it was necessary for EXEMPTED BUSINESS AND him to do so and, in such circums­ ADJOURNMENT tances, his action should be protected. That is provided in Clause 3 of the (Motion) Bill. Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to Also. Sir. it is necessary to make move. other provisions : Clause 6, for That, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 11, the proceedings on all instance, is also an important clause Government business be exempted from the of the Bill. As a result of injuries provisions of that Order and that on com­ received during the Emergency, a pletion of such business, the House do stand number of people are entitled to adjourned to Monday, 15th August. 1960, at compensation or injury allowances 10.00 o'clock a.m. under the Emergency Regulations Eache' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to mentioned in the Schedule of this Bill. second the motion. 349 6 JlJLY 1960 350 Question put, and agreed to. is, as any other type of work· men, also eligible for com­ Resolved, pensation when he meets with That, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 11, the proceedings on all an ac;cident while travelling to Government business be exempted from the or from his work in one of provisions of that Order and that on com­ his employer's vehicles; and pletion of such business, the House do stand adjourned to Monday, 15th August, 1960, at (c) To ensure that an employer is 10.00 o'clock a.m. liable to pay compensation in respect of an accident oc­ THE WORKMEN'S COMPENSA­ curring either in the State of TION (AMENDMENT) BILL Singapore or in such other territory as the Minister may Second Reading prescribe if the contract of Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to service between the employer move that a Bill intituled "an Act to and his workman is within amend the Workmen's Compensation the Federation, or if the nor­ Ordinance, 1952" be read a second mal place of employment of time. such workman is within the Federation. Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir, I beg to second the motion. Clause 4 makes it clear that, The Assistant Minister of Labour (a) When a workman meets with (Enche' V. Manickavasagam): Mr. an accident and is temporarily President, Sir, the main purpose of this disabled from doing his work, Bill is to remove certain discrepancies $65 or an amount equivalent and to further clarify the responsibi· to one-third of his monthly ;;;-_ lities of an employer towards his work­ earnings, whichever is the men. This opportunity is also taken less, is paid to him half. to substitute the new designations of monthly by his employer various Officers of the Department of during the disablement or Labour and Industrial Relations re­ during a period of 5 years, ferred to in the principal Ordinance. whichever period is shorter. Before I proceed to explain briefly the This payment is known as reasons which have necessitated the "half-monthly payment" un­ amendments to the Ordinance, I wish der the Ordinance. to inform the House that the amend­ The amendment to the Ordi­ ments contained in this Bill have been thoroughly discussed by the Standing nance now makes it clear Committee of the National Joint that half-monthly payments Labour Advisory Council, which is, as cannot be deducted unless you know, a body consisting represen­ such half-monthly payments tatives from the employers and workers together with the lump sum, organisations. e:itceed $9,600 which is the maximum payable for pe1111a­ Oause 2 is merely a formal amend­ nent total disablement. ment to the definition of the word "Commissioner" which is necessary (b) Further, the law as it stands at consequent to the introduction of the present, allows an employer Employment Ordinance (No. 38 of to deduct from the lump sum 1955), since 1st June, 1957. payable in respect of partial r- Clause 3 is designed to remove certain permanent disablement any ambiguities and to make it clear that: half-monthly payments paid (a) An employer is liable to pay in excess of 6 months following expenses of the treatment and the date of injury. rehabilitation of a workman The · present amendment limits in addition to compensation; such permissible half-monthly (b) To ensure that an employee of deductions to the lump sum a public transport company which is to be paid for the 351 6· JULY· 1960 352 partial permanent disable­ Enche' Mohamed Zahir: Mr. ment, following such pro­ President, Sir, as regards clause 3 (c), .­ longed temporary total dis­ i.e .• regarding sub-section (3A) (a). it ablement. This amendment is aays: necessary as, otherwise, the "If a workman is injured or dies as a injured workman may be result of an accident which occurs in the required to repay to his em­ State of Singapore or in any other territory which the Minister may from time to time ployer part of his half­ by notification in the Gazette prescribe . . . monthly payments which he the employer of such workman shall be had received in good faith as liable to pay compensation ...". compensation and had ex­ Does this mean that the accident is pended on his own main­ during the course of employment? tenance. Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Yes. Clause 5 makes it obligatory on the Sir. part of the injured workman to submit himself for medical examination if his Enche' Mohamed Zahir: H that is employer offers to have him examined so, should not it be clearly specified? free of charge by a registered medical Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Mr. practitioner at the earliest opportunity; President. Sir. it is clearly stated here and any workman who is in receipt of that an employer is liable to pay com­ half-monthly payments under this pensation to a workman injured during Ordinance shall submit himself for his work either in the State of Singapore such examination as and when re­ or in any other territory prescribed by quired. the Minister, if the contract of service is Clause 6 requires an employer to within the Federation. Well. it is bound provide, at his own expense. transport by that. _ ...... to and from hospital for an injured Enche' Mohamed Zahir: Mr. workman who requires treatment and President, Sir, I am not quite clear. also makes it clear that an employer Supposing a workman dies of some shall. in addition to compensation. pay injuries sustained in an accident not the cost of a wheel-chair, where neces­ connected with his own employment. sary, among other items already stated is the employer still liable under such in the Ordinance. circumstances? Clause 7 confers on the Commissioner Enche' V. Manickavasagam: Sir. it a _general power of review of orders is clearly specified here-"in the course made under earlier legislation. of his work". Clause 8 : The Ordinance says that Enche' Mohamed Zahir: I cannot an application to the Commissioner find it anywhere in the Bill I may be made either by a workman or an employer to settle any question in a Enche' l. E. S. Crawford: Mr. prescribed form accompanied by a President, Sir, I support the last speaker. prescribed fee. This amendment now I can't see where it is specifically stated abolishes the payment of such a fee, as in the Bill that the workman must be it does not warrant the trouble and injured during the course of his work. expense involved in its collection. Perhaps the Assistant Minister could tell us where it is actually stated that Question put, and agreed. it has to be in the course of his work. Bill accordingly read a second time Raja Rastam Sbahrome: Mr. Presi- and committed to a Committee of the dent. Sir. supposing an employee works .-c whole House. in the building industry and meets House immediately resolved itself with an accident while driving bis car, into a Committee on the Bill. hasn't the employer to pay in respect - Bill considered in Committee. of that accident? That is the point. (Mr. President in the Chair) Enche' Athi Nabappan: That covers the point. Compensation is always Clauses 1 to 8- payable. I believe. under section 4 of 353 6 JULY 1960 354 the Workmen's Compensation Ordi­ amendments have been carefully con­ nance, if the injury arises out of the sidered and they have been the subject - · course of employment-since it says of full consultation with the Singapore here "in accordance with the provisions Government, which has been most of this Ordinance", and "this Ordi­ co-operative throughout.. That Govern­ nance" is really the Workmen's Com­ ment has, as you know, already pensation Ordinance. presented parallel legislation to the. Sir, I believe this provision is brought Singapore Legislative Assembly and in because the existing Ordinance does an identical Bill has been duly passed not make provision for a person who by that Assembly. works in Singapore while he is under At the outset I wish to assure contract of service in the Federation. Honourable Members that the Bill is If he is under a contract of service in aimed principally at those who are J ohore Bahru, for instance, and goes evading inconie tax. I am convinced and works in Singapore and meets with that evasion is practised on a con­ an accident in Singapore, the existing siderable scale in the Federation and I Ordinance does not make provision for have given an assurance to my him to receive compensation. It is in colleagues in the Government that in order to bring him within the Ordi­ my capacity as the Minister responsible nance, so that he may be able to get for the administration of the Income compensation, that this amendment is Tax Department, I shall do everything brought in, and I think it is pretty well in my power to stamp it out. Tax which covered, because it says here "in is lost through evasion is money which accordance with the provisions of this is urgently required to assist the Ordinance". Government in carrying out its many _,.._ Encbe' V. Manickavasapm: Mr. schemes for improving social, industrial President, Sir, the original Ordinance, and economic conditions in this section 4, very well covers it, as just country of ours and the honest tax­ pointed out by the Honourable Mr. payer will pay with better grace when Athi Nahappan. It says : "If in any he knows that the burden is being employment personal injury by accident evenly shared. It is also worth remem­ out of, and in the course of, the bering that, if tax evasion cannot be employment is caused to a work­ reduced in a big way. the tax thus lost man ...·~. Therefore, it is quite well would have to be borne by such honest covered. taxpayers who would thereby have to pay more than they otherwise would. Clauses 1 to 8 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill. Sir, it is against this background of Government's determination to root out Bill reported without amendment: evasion and to make evaders pay their read the third time and passed. full share of tax that I turn to say a few words about each of the proposed THE INCOME TAX amendments to the Income Tax (AMENDMENT) BILL Ordinance. In addition to remarks about the Bill as originally printed, I Second Reading intend to refer also to the amendments Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. Presi­ to the Bill which have been inserted in dent, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill the copies of the Bill which are now intituled "an Act to amend the Income before Honourable Members. Tax Ordinance; 1947" be read a second Clause 2 introduces a new section. time. Section 4 of the Income Tax Ordinance Enche' T. H. Tan: Sir. I beg to states that the Comptroller and all second the motion. officers appointed under the Ordinance shall be subject to the supervision and The Minister of Finance (Enche' Tan direction of the Comptroller-General, Siew Sin): Mr. President, Sir, the Bill but nowhere in the Ordinance is it proposes a number of amendments to stated that the Comptroller-General or the Income Tax Ordinance. These the Comptroller shall act under the 355 6 JULY 1960 356 getteral directions of and in accordance adequate consideration, settlements with whatever policy is laid down by the arising from an order of a Court, or an ·"­ Minister of Finance, who is responsible agreement by an employer for the for the administration of the Income payment of remuneration to an Tax Department. It is considered employee ·or a pension or lump sum desirable that the responsibility of the to the relative or dependant of an Minister of Finance for the overall employee. In the case of settlements administration of the Ordinance should made ·prior to 1st January, 1960, which be clearly written into the Ordinance are caught under the provisions of this itself. Clause 2 accordingly states that clause, the income will be deemed to be the Minister of Finance may give direc­ the income of the settlor with effect tions of a general character with regard from 1st January, 1960, i.e., the income to the exercise by the Comptroller­ of such settlement will be included in General or the Comptroller of their the income of the settlor for the current powers, duties and discretions under the year of assessment, i.e., 1960. In other Ordinance. words, the assessments for years of Clause 3, which corresponds to a assessment prior to 1960 will not be similar provision in the Bill which has re-opened. been introduced in Singapore, is It has been suggested that the clause designed to assist the Comptroller in is an example of retrospective legisla• dealing with those who are evading tax, tion. I do not agree. When a Govern­ by ensuring that the Federation ment decides to put an end to such a Comptroller may request from his device a point of time must be adopted colleague in Singapore, and may use in after which the particular device ceases any appeal or other proceedings, any to be effective, otherwise there would information concerning a Federation be the undesirable situation where ...... , taxpayer which is in the possession of those who first thought of the device · the Singapore Comptroller. would be permitted to reduce their tax Cause 4 is a measure designed to put liability in perpetuity. When the United an end to a practice whereby taxpayers Kingdom and East African Govern­ have been able to reduce their tax ments decided to tackle the loss of liability by the device of transferring revenue through settlements they used assets or income to other persons, practically the same statutory language normally relatives, while at the same as is found in Clause 4-the new legis­ time they continue to enjoy the income lation applied to every settlement alleged to be transferred. The first part "whether made or entered into before of the clause provides that any income or after this section came into force". of which a settlor divests himself during It has been represented to me that, his life-time in favour of a relative who as sub-clause (1) now stands, the income at the commencement of the year of of a settlement in favour of an un­ assessment is under 21 years of age or is married relative will be "caught" unmarried shall be assessed, not on the regardless of the age of the relative. relative, but on the settlor himself. It is not the intention that the income The second part is aimed at those who of an unmarried relative should be transfer income or income-producing caught under sub-clause (1) after the assets to other persons, not necessarily year of assessnient in which the relative relatives, but who continue to enjoy the attained the age of 21, or in case such a income therefrom or retain for them­ relative married before attaining the selves the power to enjoy the income. age of 21, and accordingly it has been In their case, the same consequences decided to amend the word "or" in line ..,__ apply-the income will be assessed on 6 of sub-clause (1) to "and". the settlor and not on the person to So long as this type of avoidance whom the income is or is alleged to is practised, and it is becoming clear have been transferred. The provisions that it is now being practised on an of the clause are not applicable to ever increasing scale, there is not much settlements which, in the opinion of the point in raising the maximum rates of Comptroller, are made for valuable and income tax if most of those properly 357 6 JOLY 1900 358 liable could avoid paying at these used are "The Comptroller". "Comp-. ~~- maximum rates, and this is also the troller" is defined in Section 2 of the , reason why the number of persons in Income Tax Ordinance as the Comp­ the top tax brackets in this country is troller himself, the Deputy Comptroller so small. For example, according to the and any Assistant Comptroller. This latest statistics of the Income Tax means that no officer below the rank of Department, there are only 90 indi­ Assistant Comptroller may use the viduals resident in the Federation who powers under Clause 5. It has also been have incomes exceeding $100,000. said that citizens will from now on live Oause 5, which is based on a in fear of a visitation from the measure presently in force in Australia, Comptroller or an Assistant Comptroller gives the Comptroller free access to all at any hour of the day or night. buildings, places, books, documents or Honourable Members have my 'assu­ other records, which in his opinion may rance that I shall give directions to the supply information with regard to the effect that officers of the Income Tax nature or extent of any person's liability Department may use the new powers to tax. The clause also enables the only during the hours of daylight. Comptroller to require any person to Furthermore, it has been said that un­ give orally or in writing all such infor­ scrupulous individuals will seek to mation concerning the income tax affairs impersonate officers of the Income Tax of himself and of any other person as Department and that citizens will find the Comptroller considers necessary for themselves compelled to open their the proper administration of the doors to rogues and blackmailers. As Ordinance. The powers given to the an added safeguard, therefore, I will Comptroller are admittedly far-reaching give directions that officers of the but I suggest that the powers need not Income Tax Department making use of be feared by honest taxpayers; only the powers in Clause 5 will be provided those who are evading their income tax with, and will be expected to show, a responsibilities or who are associated document containing a recent photo­ with persons who are defrauding the graph of the officer, his national identity Government need fear the new powers. card number and the authority under In my opinion, those powers are which he is acting, written in all appro· necessary if we are to limit and dis­ priate languages. The fullest possible courage evasion and I feel sure that all publicity will be given to this arrange­ Honourable Members who support the ment. Government in its drive against evaders Lastly, it has been said that the will support the new measure. Comptroller can make use of the powers This is not a novel provision for, as I in the clause in any arbitrary manner have already informed Honourable he sees fit. In this connection, I repeat Members, there is a similar provision in what I said a few minutes ago-that the the Australian income tax law. One provisions of the clause will only be English language newspaper tried to used in cases of evasion or of suspected frighten its readers by painting a picture evasion or where the Comptroller has of officers of the Department of Inland good reason to believe that evidence of Revenue going round the countryside evasion will be found. To ensure that ransacking respectable homes, prying the powers are not used in an indiscri­ into people's private affairs unneces­ minate way, the opening words of sub­ sarily, and generally behaving like clause (1) "The Comptroller" will be gangsters who have suddenly been deleted and the following words substi· -::/'''-. armed with all the powers of a Police tuted : "Where the Comptroller consi­ State. The answer to this exaggerated ders it necessary in the exercise of his and highly-coloured picture is that none duties under this Ordinance, the of these things has happened in Comptroller". Australia, where these powers have existed for many years. Those who seek to evade tax, generally speaking, do not keep proper Further, Honourable Members will records of their business transactions see that in sub-clause (1) the words and prefer to have no written records of 359 6 JULY 1960 360 their business receipts. Government is profession did not exceed determined that such persons will no $24,000; and _ longer be assisted in their fraud merely (v) any other cases in which the ::__" by refusing to keep records or to give Comptroller specifically directs receipts. that receipts need not be Oause 6 now requires every person issued and kept. carrying on any business or profession, Here again, I would like to say that firstly, to keep full records of all his only those who are defrauding the business transactions and, additionally, Revenue will find the new provisions where such transactions exceed certain onerous; honest taxpayers already keep specified financial limits, to give a proper business records in their own printed, serially-numbered, receipt for interests and this new measure will not every payment of money for goods sold affect them in any way. It may not be or services rendered and to keep a inappropriate at this stage for me to duplicate thereof. The nature of the issue a word of warning or advice. If records to be kept and the manner in it is found that taxpayers ignore the which they will be kept will not neces­ requirements of the clause and refuse sarily be left to the discretion of the to keep proper records or to issue individual business man, because the receipts for all business takings, they Comptroller is given powers, in any case must be prepared to accept the conse­ where he is dissatisfied with such quences of their actions since the records, to give a direction in writing to Comptroller will be entitled to assume an individual or by Gazette notification that their failure is deliberate and for to any class of individuals as to the the purpose of concealing their true manner in which records shall be kept profits. Moreover, if it is found that and receipts shall be issued. taxpayers are failing to issue and to ...___ Honourable Members will note that, retain receipts in respect of all their · · although every person carrying on a business takings, I am prepared to ask business or profession is required to Government to consider the introduc- keep proper records, only those whose tion of a much more stringent system gross takings in the previous calendar for the issue of receipts. year exceeded $18,000 from the sale of It has been represented to me that, goods or $12,000 from the performance to ensure uniformity in the exercise of of services need issue receipts and keep the powers under the clause, only the duplicates thereof. It is not the inten­ Comptroller himself should be permitted tion of Government to compel traders to issue a notice under sub-clause (2) and others to keep records and to issue and to waive any provision under sub­ and keep receipts unnecessarily, that clause (3). I see no objection to meeting is, where such persons are unlikely to this point and it is proposed that the be liable to income tax. I have carefully definition of "Comptroller" in Section 2 considered whether it might be possible of the Income Tax Ordinance should to free certain classes of taxpayers be amended by inserting Section 63 as from the provisions of this clause, and one o~ the sections whose powers may have decided, in consequence of this be exercised only by the Comptroller intention, that receipts need not be in person. Moreover, in view of the issued and kept in the following cases : delay that has taken place in regard to (i) hawkers, except where speci­ this second reading, it is considered fically directed by the Comp­ that the new provision relating to the troller; issue of printed receipts should take (ii) road-side stall holders and effect from 1st September and not 1st -'- retail stall holders in· markets, July of this year. except where specifically aauses 7, 11 and 15 are linked and directed by the Comptroller; for convenience I shall deal with them (iii) taxi drivers, trishaw riders and together. Briefly, they are designed to self-employed boatmen; ensure that employees do not leave (iv) where in 1959 the gross receipts Malaya without paying their full tax. from any trade, business or Clause 7 forbids an employer who 361 6 JULY 1960 362 has in · his possession any. monies to make additional assessments. Govern­ ~- payable to any employee to pay over ment is prepared to keep the provisions ·· such monies to an employee who is of the Federation Ordinance in line leaving his service until the expiry of with those of the Singapore Ordinance 30 days after the Comptroller has been in this respect and accordingly it is notified of the employee's departure. proposed that the amendment to Section The giving of such notice will enable 69 of the Income Tax Ordinance should the Comptroller to take steps· to assess take the form of substituting 12 years and collect any tax due by the employee for the present 6 years. The main reason but will cause no hardship to the for this amendment is the difficulty of employer or employee. Where the tax proving fraud or wilful default as is paid within the 30-day period the required by the proviso to the existing Comptroller will gladly furnish an sub-section (1) of Section 69 .. As the appropriate certificate of clearance to law stands at present, the Comptroller the employer or to the employee to would have to prove such fraud or enable the ~mployeei to leave the country wilful default in order to go beyond without delay. By virtue of Clause 15 the 6-year limit and this is never easy. an employer who fails to give the It is not. however, the intention of the required notice to the Comptroller will Government to take advantage of this be liable to pay any tax which cannot amendment except in exceptional cases • be recovered from the employee but or in cases where the Comptroller has he is given power to recover from the good reason to suspect fraud or wilful employee the tax so paid. Clause 11, default. which is not confined to employees, The present proviso to sub-section (1) merely extends the power which the of Section 69 of the Income Tax Comptroller already has under SectiOn Ordinance will be retained to enable 83 of the Income Tax Ordinance. At the Comptroller to make additional present he can issue a direction only assessments at any time where any form to the Commissioner of Police, Federa­ of fraud or wilful default has been tion. or to the Controller of Immigra­ committed. The substitution of a 12· tion. Federation, or both, to prevent year limit for the present 6~year limit any person from leaving the Federation. does not affect the provisions of Section Clause 11 now enables the Comptroller 54 of the Income Tax Ordinance to request the Comptroller, Singapore, whereby. in the case of deceased to issue a direction on his behalf to persons, an assessment or additional the Commissioner of Police, Singapore, assessment requires to be made not or to the Controller of Immigration, later than 3 years after the end of the Singapore, or to both. In other words, year of assessment in which the indi­ the Federation Comptroller will now be vidual dies. It would be unreasonable able to reach beyond the Causeway to if executors of the estates of deceased prevent any person from leaving the persons Were prevented from winding country without paying his tax. There up estates through fear that the Comp­ is a reciprocal provision in the Bill troller might make an additional which has been !introduced in Singapore. assessment at any time within 12 years of the death of the person concerned. At present, when the Comptroller Broadly speaking, the collection of. discovers any income which has not tax on any assessment cannot proceed been assessed or which has been in· so long as there is a valid objection or sufficiently assessed, he is prevented appeal against the assessment. In many from making any additional assessment cases, however, taxpayers lodge an after the expiry of 6 years from the end objection or appeal merely to delay of the relevant year of assessment, the payment of the tax. Even one of the except in cases of fraud. In the identical strongest critics of this Bill, a lawyer Bill recently passed in Singapore the who wrote a letter to me, admits that Singapore Government took the view the present Section 81 "did give rise that 12 years was more reasonable than to a number of appeals which were the present 6 years as the period within brought purely· as a matter of delaying which the Comptroller should be free tactics", to use his exact words. I can

------· ·------363 6 JULY 1960 364 assure the House that even in the past clause, again. is not novel and is based many of these appeals were frivolous. on a similar provision which has been In the future, assuming that our anti­ in force in Australia, New Zealand and ---. evasion drive is successful, the number several other countries for many years. of such appeals will rise steeply and Clause 12 is aimed at those who without the provision proposed, the deliberately evade service of notices Department would be swamped with under the Ordinance by alleging a an unmanageable list of appeals which change of address or by slipping out would take many years to settle. It is of the back door when an officer of the obvious that the more successful the Income Tax Department calls at the drive, the greater the number of appeals front door. Every person is now required and hence it would be impossible in to notify the Comptroller in writing of practice to deter evaders without this any change in his address, and any provision. Thus, in cases where the tax notice or process shall be deemed to is substantial, it has been found that have been effectively served when it or taxpayers have deliberately delayed a copy thereof has been sent by the settlement of their appeals in order registered post to the taxpayer's last to have the"" use of the money which known address. should have been paid as tax. Clause 10 now requires that ·the tax charged in Clause 13 is designed to make the any assessment, may have to be paid procedure presently in force for the regardless of any objection or appeal recovery of tax in any Court applicable against the assessment. It is not to the recovery of any penalty imposed intended, however, that payment of the under the Ordinance. full amount of the tax shall be demanded The aim of Clause 14 is to ensure in every case where an objection or that facts about which there should be appeal is lodged. The Comptroller is no dispute do not require to be proved given discretion to extend the period before a Court, i.e., facts such as the ~- within which payment of tax may be quantum of an assessment, the tax made in any particular case and payable, the nature of the income Honourable Members may be assured assessed. The provisions of the clause that he will exercise his discretion in a will be used in cases of prosecution for reasonable and responsible manner. failure to lodge a return of income or Where, for example, it is necessary for for the recovery of tax which has not the Comptroller to make a protective been in dispute. It is considered that additional assessment in any case where Court proceedings can be expedited to the 12-year limit in Clause 8 is about the advantage of the taxpayer and· the to expire, he will not necessarily Comptroller if, as the clause requires, demand payment of the full amount of statements of fact made by the Comp­ the tax in question if the taxpayer and troller, are admitted as prima facie his agent are genuinely co-operating in evidence without further proof. Honour­ an effort to bring out the full facts of the able Members will note that the provi­ case. Similarly, the provisions of Clause sions of the clause do not apply in 10 will not normally be applied to proceedings for an offence which is employees who will. as at present, be punishable by imprisonment. able to pay their tax out of their At present the Comptroller has remuneration over the whole of the year power to compound major offences of assessment or within such further under the Ordinance but no power to period as the Comptroller may deter-· compound minor offences, such as mine. In view of the fact that we are failure to give notice of chargeability. now half way through the year. Govern­ Clause 16 now enables the Comptroller .~ ·.._, '- ,· ment takes the view that the date "1st to compound such minor offences, and July. 1960" in proviso (a) should be obviates the need to take all such amended to read "1st September. 1960", offences to the Courts. as in the case of Oause 6. This amend­ Oause 17 clarifies the provisions of ment will obviate any hardship in Section 91 of the Income Tax Ordi· meeting the tax due on assessments nance which deals with incorrect returns made prior to 1st January, 1960. This of income and the penalties which may

------~ 365 6 JULY 1960 366 be imposed therefor. The opening words Ordinance, i.e., the section dealing with • of the clause "Subject to the provisions penal provisions for fraud. of Part XII of this Ordinance" ensure I have already commented on the that taxpayers retain their right of wide powers conferred on the Comp­ appeal to the Board of Review and to troller by Clause 5 of the Bill, i.e., the the Courts on a question whether power to enter any premises for the income has or has not been omitted purpose of obtaining any information from a return of income before the considered necessary for the purpose of provisions of Clause 17 come into play. the Ordinance. Honourable Members Once it is established that income has will appreciate that such powers could been omitted or that incorrect informa­ be nullified if in the exercise of his tion has been given to the Comptroller duties the Comptroller or any officer in the penalty which may be demanded is his Department were to be obstructed the amount of the tax undercharged by in any way. Clause 19 accordingly reason of the omission or the incorrect makes it an offence under the Ordi· information given. Where, however, nance for any person to obstruct or the omission or incorrect information hinder any officer acting in the dis­ arises through negligence or without charge of his duties under the Ordi­ reasonable excuse the taxpayer, if convicted in a Court, is liable to a nance. penalty of double the tax undercharged Clause 20 provides that any penalty and, in addition, to a fine of not less paid under the Ordinance shall not be than $5,000 or to imprisonment of not deemed to be tax paid, for the purpose less than 6 months and not more than of claiming relief under the Ordinance. 3 years or to both such fine and imprisonment. There may be cases in The final clause in the Bill, Oause which it would be unduly harsh to 21, seeks to expedite proceedings where insist on the full penalty in all such the Comptroller is advised to prosecute cases; the Comptroller is accordingly in the Courts for offences under given the discretionary power to com­ Sections 91 and 92 of the Ordinance. pound offences under this section before The Comptroller is given the discre­ judgment is given in any legal proceed­ tionary power to compound offences ings. I am advised that sub-clause (3) under those sections, that is, to accept as presently drafted, gives the Comp­ a monetary settlement in lieu of institu­ troller power to accept a mitigated ting legal proceedings. Where income penalty under sub-clause (1) as well as bas been omitted or incorrect informa­ to compound an offence under sub­ tion is given through negligence or clause (2). without reasonable excuse or where there has been fraud the Comptroller Fears have been expressed that this may not be able to give a binding may not be so and Government is undertaking to any taxpayer that he accordingly prepared to make its intent­ will accept a monetary settlement and ion clear beyond doubt. It is proposed, refrain from instituting criminal proceed­ therefore, in sub-clause (3) to substitute ings even if the case is one in which the words "abate any penalty or com­ taxpayer has made a full disclosure pound any offence" for the present and bas given the Comptroller full words "may compound any offence facilities for investigation. The Comp­ punishable". troller must reserve to himself complete discretion in all cases as to the course Oause 18, among other things, he will pursue. In practice, however, provides that the period of imprison­ he will be influenced by the fact that ment which may be imposed by the the taxpayer has inade a full disclosure Court is not less than six months and and has co-operated with the Comp­ not more than three years. Apart from troller in the examination of such this, it introduces no new provision books, papers, documents or informa­ into the Income Tax Ordinance. It tion as the Comptroller may consider merely removes the existing ambiguity necessary. There may be cases in which with regard to the penalty which may the Comptroller accepts a disclosure as be imposed under Section 92 of the full and complete and is on the point 367 6 JULY 1960 368 of agreeing to a monetary penalty The intensification of the anti­ only to discover that the taxpayer's evasion. drive will be coupled with an • disclosure of his misdeeds is incomplete. amnesty or, more correctly, an In those circumstances, the Comptroller indemnity against criminal proceedings is amply justified in withdrawing any to all evaders who voluntarily come undertaking to refrain from legal to the Income Tax Department and proceedings. Clause 21 is designed to make a clean breast of their misdeeds. meet such circumstances and to ensure Here again I give full details of this that any statements made by the tax­ offer in the Lower House and I payer at a time when the Comptroller therefore think that there is no need was likely to accept a monetary penalty for me to amplify it further. should be capable of being used as evidence in any legal proceedings It has been argued Sir, that if instituted thereafter. some of these powers are abused, they could lead to grave injustices. I I would like to qualify to some submit, Sir, that that is not a fair way extent what I have just said about the of looking at this difficult problem. provisions of Clause 21 and about the Under the Emergency Regulations it practice of the Comptroller in accepting is possible for a completely innocent monetary settlements. But before I do person to be detained without trial so, let me say a few words about the for years on end, but the majority of policy of Government towards informers the people of this country have and the payment of rewards for accepted that these Regulations are information. necessary in the national interest and I do not need to remind Honourable did not refrain from giving them to Members about the success of Govern­ the Government on the ground that ment's policy in paying rewards to they could cause grave injustices if .~.. , those who provided information to the grossly abused. Similar powers have Security Forces and about the large been inserted in the proposed contribution which those rewards made Internal Security Bill, which has to the virtual ending of the Emergency already been passed by both Houses in the Federation. I am convinced that of Parliament. We are today facing a similar policy would be equally another emergency, though of a successful in detecting those who are different kind. U the collection of evading tax. It has accordingly been income tax cannot be put · on a decided that any person who furnishes satisfactory basis it1 the sense that information to the Income Tax Depart­ everybody who i~ liable pays his fair ment which leads to the discovery of share, this system of taxation could not evaders and to the recovery of tax will be made an important and major be paid generously for this information. source of revenue in the years In future a reward of 10 per cent of the to come and the people of this tax actually recovered plus penalty country. especially those in the fixed imposed will be paid, subject to a and lower income brackets, would be maximum payment of $100,000. I do the first to suffer. Nearly every piece not propose to give further details of of legislation gives the Government this policy of paying rewards because wide powers but that fact has not I have dealt with this point in full in to date been held as an excuse for not the Lower House. giving such powers to the Government on the ground that they might be I now come to an important point abused. I submit, Sir, that the powers and to the qualification which I said asked for in this Bill, are subject to ,- ' I wished to place on my remarks on real safeguards : in the first place, '--· Clause 21 of the Bill. What about the Minister has been given power, in the evader who is prepared to Clause 2 of the Bill to give directions co-operate with the Income Tax of a general character to the Department? Is there any way in Comptroller-General and the Comp­ which he can escape the full con­ troller who, in the main, will sequences of his evasion? The answer exercise the powers provided for in is-yes, provided he is quick about it. this Bill. In case the Minister proves 369 6 JULY 1960 370 unreasonable, there could be an appeal period. If we are going to have more to Parliament itself. I also think it is number of appeals, then it is necessary safe to guess that the Press would be that we should have more sittings. In willing to give adequate publicity to view of the fact that he will be required any mis-carriage of justice arising out to pay the money in the first instance of an abus.e of the powers asked for and probably wait for a long time, in this Bill. maybe a few years, before he can get There is no place for tax evasion back his money if he is not taxable to in a democratic and independent the extent he has been taxed, that Malaya and I look to all taxpayers to means his money will be tied up by pay their full share of the cost of the Government, for which he receives meeting the many demands which the no consideration, no interest, nothing. Government's far-reaching plans for Therefore, this House, I am sure, will the betterment of the country will be happy if the Honourable Minister require. To deal with those who are of Finance could give some assurance not prepared to play their part in this that the Income Tax Review Board respect, I ask the House to arm the will sit more often and dispose of the Comptroller of Income Tax with the appeals as quickly as possible. At the new powers included in the Bill. moment I understand that there are Alternatively, as I have already only twenty members in the Board indicated earlier, income tax rates of Review-about eight in Penang and might, in the not too distant future, twelve in Kuala Lumpur. If necessary, have to be greatly stepped up in the constitution of the Board should order that the honest taxpayer can make up for the loss caused by be strengthened by more members and evasion on the part of those who are a direction should be given to have not so honest. It is my earnest hope more meetings. that this will not be necessary, but it That is all I wish to say. I fully is for this House to decide whether we support the Income Tax (Amendment) should allow a large proportion of Bill. dishonest persons in this country to avoid paying their full share of its Enehe' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, taxes with the result that a heavier Sir, I fully appreciate the force of the burden has to ibe imposed on the plea put forth by my . Honourable honest ones, or whether justice should friend Mr. Nahappan and I gladly give be done to those who have for so long defrauded our Revenue, and who the asstirance he asked for. It is not will continue to do so unless some­ the wish of the Government to cause thing is done about it, so that honest unnecessary hardship or unnecessary and decent people need not bear the delay and the suggestion made by him kind of burden that they would will certainly be carefully considered, otherwise have to bear. (Applause). in case what we expect to come to pass does come to pas~. Enehe' Athi Nahappan: Mr. Presi­ Question put, and agreed to. dent, Sir, it has been said by the Honourable the Minister of Finance Bill accordingly read a second time that the question of appeals to the and committed to a Committee of the Income Tax Review Board would whole House. increase in number in view of the fact that there will be firm action against House resolved itself into a evasion. In view of this, Sir, it is Committee on the Bill. necessary that these appeals should be (Mr. President in the Chair) heard as often as is necessary. I have heard that at the moment the sittings Clauses 1 to 22 inclusive ordered to of this Income Tax Review Board are stand part of the Bill. not as frequent as is necessary. Very often the person, who appeals to the Bill reported without amendment: Board, has to wait for a considerable read a third time and passed. 371 6 JULY 1960 372 mE INTERNATIONAL U.S. dollars. A copy of the Articles DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION has been tabled for the information of BILL Honourable Members as Command Paper No. 18. Second Reading The Articles of Association as drawn Tun Leong Yew Koh: Sir, I beg to up by the Executive Directors inevitably move that a Bill intituled "an Act to represent a compromise between the enable the Federation of Malaya to many divergent views of the members become a member of the International of the Bank. Some of the Articles are Development Association by acceptance not entirely· in accordance with the of the Articles of Agreement for the wishes expressed by this Government. establishment and operation of the But in cases such as this some com­ International Development Association" promise is always necessary and it is be read a second time. considered that by and large the Articles constitute an acceptable frame­ Engku Muhsein: Sir, I beg to second work for the establishment of the the motion. Association. Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, The purposes of the Association are Sir, the purpose of this Bill is to enable to promote economic development, the Federation of Malaya to accept increase productivity and thus raise membership of the International Deve­ standards of living in the less-developed lopment Association and to provide for areas of the world included within the compliance by the Federation with the Association's membership. It provides provisions of the Articles of the Asso­ finance to meet their important deve­ ciation. lopmental requirements on terms which The proposal for an International are more flexible and bear less heavily - ' Development Association was first put on· their balance of payments position forward at the 1958 annual meeting of than those of conventional loans. the World Bank and International thereby furthering the developmental Monetary Fund. It was not until the objectives of the World Bank and 1959 meeting of those organisations supplementing its activities. that the Governors of the World Bank The aims of the Association have approved a resolution directing the been deliberately drafted to give the Executive Directors of the Bank to maximum flexibility to the operations formulate articles of agreement for such of the Association. The Association is an Association for submission to empowered to finance any project of member Governments of the Bank. high developmental priority and al­ The Executive Directors of the though a large part of the Association's World Bank approved the Articles of financing is likely to be for projects Agreement of the International Deve­ similar to those financed by the World lopment Association for submission to Bank. that is revenue earning projects. member Governments only after the Association may finance projects thorough discussion over a period of which are not directly revenue earning several months; and careful considera­ and may in special circumstances tion was given to the views expressed provide finance for the local currency by various governments. The approval costs of such projects. The last point is by the Executive Directors of the of particular importance to the Federa­ Articles of the Association has not tion which has in the. past found committed any Government to member­ difficulty in obtaining finance overseas ship of the Association, and it rests for the local costs of development with each Government to decide projects such as land development whether or not to join the Association. schemes, which are of such importance The Articles of Agreement will come to the economic development of our into force on or after September 15th. country. 1960, when they have been signed on The purposes of the Association behalf of Governments whose subscrip­ emphasise that one of the basic tions aggregate at least 650 million principles of the Association is that it 373 6 JULY 1960 374 should supplement the sources of into two groups as shown in Schedule development capital already available A to the Articles of Agreement. The to underdeveloped countries, in parti­ subscription will be payable over a cular, from the World Bank. This five-year period, and the countries in principle is underlined not only by the both groups will subscribe 10 per cent fact that the Association is to be an of their initial subscriptions in gold or affiliate of the Bank with the Governors, freely convertible currencies. Different President, and Executive Directors of provisions are, however, made for the the World Bank serving ex-officio in two groups with regard to the remaining these capacities in the Association, but 90 per cent of their initial subscriptions. also by the operational procedures of The first group, the 17 industrialised the Association. The Association is member countries of the World Bank, debarred from providing finance for a will pay the remaining 90 per cent of project if funds are available from their subscriptions in five equal instal­ other sources on reasonable terms. ments in gold or freely convertible currencies. On the other hand, the Out of the members' initial subscrip­ second group, which comprise the 51 tions, the Association may make loans less developed member countries, inclu­ on easier terms than those provided ding the Federation of Malaya, will from other sources by providing loans pay their remaining 90 per cent in their with long term maturities and longer national currencies, which the Associa­ periods of grace before repayments tion will not be free to use without the have to be made. The Association may members' consent. The Federation's also accept repayment either in whole subscription is to be U.S. $2.52 million or in part in the local currency of the or Malayan $7.714 million. It will have borrower and lastly may make loans to pay on joining the Association free of interest or at lower rates of Malayan $385,714 in gold or convertible interest. The flexibility of the Assooia­ currencies and $1,388,569 in Malayan tion's procedure is designed so that currency or non-interest bearing Trea­ loans can be made with due regard to sury notes. In each of the next four the balance of payments position of years the Federation will have to pay the borrower. At present the balance of M$96,428 in gold or in convertible payments position of the Federation is currencies, and $1,388,569 in Malayan sound owing to the current level of currency; but the Federation may prices for rubber and tin. It is possible that the Association will not prove an exercise the right to substitute non­ immediate source of funds for financing interest bearing Treasury notes for the development in the Federation. Never­ local currency portion. theless, Honourable Members are well The capital structure of the Associa­ aware how rapid and violent are the tion which I have just described in fluctuations in the prices of our main brief will mean that the Association exports and should we experience in has about US$150 million available in the future balance of payment difficul­ each of the first 5 years of its existence ties, the Association could be a valuable for lending to under-developed coun­ source of funds for development. tries. These resources are very limited when one considers the vast potential Membership of the International demand of under-developed countries Development Association is open to for capital. We would have preferred a member countries of the World Bank. larger initial capital but the general The initial resources of the Association consensus of opinion was that US$1 will be U.S. $1 billion (U.S. $1,000 billion was adequate for the commence­ million) if all existing members of the ment of the Association and it became Bank were to join it and accept the clear during the discussions on the assigned subscriptions, which are Articles that a.larger initial capital was roughly proportionate to the members' not a practicable proposition. subscriptions to the World Bank. Having regard to the very limited A unique feature of the Association initial resources of the Association, the is that for purposes of subscriptions Articles provide for them to be regularly member countries have been divided reviewed by the· Association, the first 375 6 JULY 1960 376 such review to take place at the end provide financing to meet the local of the first 5 years of the Association's currency costs of development projects. operation. General or individual In particular, the Association will be a increases in subscriptions may be source of development capital free from authorised at any time, but no member any political strings. Borrowing from is obliged to increase its subscription. an international organisation such the No increase in the Federation's subs­ I.D.A. is always preferable to borrow­ cription can be made without the ing direct from another Government, approval of this House. as the former is debarred by its Articles from taking political factors into con­ The Association may also enter into sideration when conducting its opera­ arrangements to receive from any tions, whereas loans from another member, in addition to its own subs­ Government are never entirely free cription, suppJementary lresources in from political motivation. the currency of another member, pro­ vided that the member whose currency Secondly, it must also be recognised is subscribed, does not object. This that the Association is the result of provision is linked with the possibility international co-operation and has a of the United States of America offer­ value in that it associates the majority ing to the Association part of its hold­ of the industrialised countries of the ings of foreign currencies arising free world, in particular, those of through sales of surplus commodities Western Europe and Japan, in an under Public Law 480. Since the U.S. organisation dedicated to the provision does not hold any Malayan currency of capital to the under-developed as a result of sales of surplus commo­ countries. As I have said earlier the dities, this provision is, not a matter Association may not immediately be a of, direct concern to the Federation. source of funds for development in the Honourable Members may, however, Federation although it may well prove wish to note that the provision of such to be so in the course of time. Never­ supplementary resources will not theless, I am convinced that it is right entitle the subscribing member to any and proper for the Federation to play additional voting rights. its part in this new international financial institution designed for the Each member of the Association is benefit of the under-developed countries. to have 500 votes plus one vote for each US$5.000 subscribed. On this Question put, and agreed to. basis the Federation will have 1,004 Bill accordingly read a second time votes. This formula gives to the indus­ and committed to a Committee of the trialised countries about 69 per cent of whole House. the total voting power whereas the less developed countries would only possess House immediately resolved itself 31 per cent. It had been hoped that a into a Committee on the Bill. system of voting could be agreed Bill considered in Committee, whereby the industrialised countries (Mr. President in the Chair) exercised a smaller share of the total voting power, but this idea did not gain Clauses 1 to 9 inclusive ordered to general acceptance and it is perhaps stand part of the Bill. inevitable that he who pays the piper Bill reported without amendment: calls the tune. read the third time and passed. , From the Federation's point of view the principal merit of the International THE CURRENCY BILL Development Association is that it will be a source of development capital for Second Reading under-developed countries additional Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, to existing sources such as the Inter­ Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled national Bank, and that it will be "an Act to implement an Agreement able to provide financing on easier between the Governments of the terms than can be obtained from other Federation of Malaya, the States of sources and can in special circumstances Singapore and Brunei and the Colonies 377 6 JULY 1960 378 of Sarawak and North Borneo relating however, that withdrawal from ·the

• 0 to currency and for matters incidental Agreement would be a momentous :- - thereto" be read a second time. step and therefore Clause 11 of the Bill now before you provides that the Enche' Nik Hassan: Sir, I beg to Minister of Finance may not give notice second the motion. of replacement under Clause 17 of the new Agreement unless such a step has Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Mr. President, been approved by resolution of the Sir, this Bill seeks authority to imple­ Dewan Ra'ayat, so that Honourable ment an Agreement, which is set out in Members of that House will have a the Schedule to the Bill, entered into full opportunity to debate this issue between the Government of the Federa­ when the time comes. tion of Malaya and the Governments of the States of Singapore and Brunei Although the Government considered and the Colonies of Sarawak and North that the Currency Board .should con­ Borneo, whereby the Board of Com­ tinue to be responsible for the issue of missioners of Currency, .Malaya and a common currency, amendment of the British Borneo, shall continue to be 1950 Agreement was considered to be responsible for the issue of a single essential if the continuance of the currency throughout the territories of present currency arrangements was to the participating Governments, although be acceptable, having regard to the certain substantial amendments have independent status of the Federation. been made as regards the details of the The principal changes which the arrangements for the issue of currency Federation considered to be desirable to which I will refer subsequently. The may be summarised as follows : Agreement has been initialled by all the participating Governments and (1) that the Board should be respon­ •.:.P-":. must be ratified by legislation in each sible only to the participating territory. When the Agreement has Governments; been ratified by all the participating (2) that the composition of the Board Governments, it will come into force should recognise the predo­ on a date to be mutually agreed in minant interest of the Federa­ accordance with Clause 1 of the Act. tion in the currency; Honourable Members may be inclined (3) that the Board with the consent to enquire why the Government has of the participating Govern­ initialled a new Agreement which ments should have the right to provides for Malayan currency to be appoint a principal agent; issued by a Currency Board when the (4) that the avenues of investment of Federation's own Bank Negara has the Fund should be widened, been effectively established. I wish to in particular, to provide for a assure Honourable Members that it is part of the Fund to be invested still the policy of this Government that in the securities of the partici­ at the appropriate time Bank Negara pating Governments and in Tanah Melayu should be responsible non-sterling securities; for the issue of our currency. I shall deal with this point later on in my (5) that provision should be made speech. for any Government to with­ draw from the Agreement. In this connection, it might be noted that the 1950 Agreement made no These basic requirements of the provision regarding the means whereby Federation have been met in the new Members could withdraw from the Agreement. It should be noted that Agreement and it did not specify the even at the best of times it cannot be rights of the withdrawing Member. It easy for five Governments to reach was essential, therefore, that the new agreement on issues as complex as Agreement should be revised to make these and the fact that we did reach provision for the withdrawal of Mem­ agreement is a tribute to the patience, bers and the liquidation of the Board tact and understanding which prevailed resulting therefrom. It will be agreed, on all sides. 379 6 JULY 1960 380 As I have said earlier. the new It will be noted that the Federation Agreement provides basically for the has six votes out of a total voting _ continuance of the present currency power of thirteen. It may be thought · arrangements, and I do not propose that the Federation should have a therefore to speak on the detailed voting strength proportionate to the provisions of the Agreement, but I circulation of currency in her territory, should like to take this opportunity of that is about 63 per cent. It must be speaking briefly concerning the five appreciated, however, that the other requirements of the Federation which participating Governments would be I have just enumerated. unwilling to accord the Federation an Clause 15 of the 1950 Agreement overriding majority. Furthermore, in provided that a participating Govern­ matters of major importance, the ment could abrogate the Agreement Agreement provides for unanimous with the approval of the United King­ agreement between the participating dom Secretary of State for the Colonies. Governments. I consider this is un­ Similarly, Clause 16 provided that the avoidable in the circumstances, despite Secretary of State should be the arbi­ the possible· loss of flexibility, as no trator in any dispute between the Government would be likely to accept participating Governments, and the a position whereby it could be overruled legislation giving effect to the Agree­ in major matters relating to its own ment provided that important matters currency. such as the designing of notes and The 1950 Agreement provided that coins required his approval. The the Crown Agents should be the powers granted to the Secretary of State Principal Agent of the Board. Because were obviously not acceptable to the the Agreement provides for the auto­ Federation, and therefore the new matic conversion of the Malayan dollar Agreement makes no reference to the into sterling payable in London, there .. ~-.... Secretary of State. The necessary is no alternative but that the Principal powers have been vested either in the Agent should be in London. Never­ Board itself or, in major matters, policy theless, it is considered that the Board, decisions are subject to the unanimous subject to the approval of the partici­ agreement of the participating Govern­ pating Governments, should have ments. power to appoint any Agent whom it Clause 3 (1) of the Agreement sets considers to be most satisfactory, and this power of appointment is now out the composition of the Board. provided for in Clause 3 (8) of the new Honourable Members will note that of Agreement. the seven members, two will be appointed by the Federation and that The 1950 Agreement provided only the Chairman of the Board will be one restricted avenues for the investment of of the two Federation representatives. the Fund. In particular, the Fund could Furthermore, Clause 3 (5) provides that not be invested in any securities of the the Federation and Singapore represen­ participating Governments. This latter tatives shall have three votes each provision prevented any part of the whereas the representatives of Brunei, currency reserves from being used by Sarawak and North Borneo and the the participating Governments to finance development in their territories. independent member, only a single vote Although it is essential that the external each. I consider that these provisions reserves held by the Board should at give recognition to the predominance all times be adequate to retain public of the Federation's interest as compared confidence in the stability of the with the 1950 Agreement which pro­ currency, it is right and proper that a vided that the Federation and Singapore part of the Fund should be available. should have one representative each if required, for investment in Federation and that the Bornean territories one Government securities or in the joint representative: it also provided securities of the other participating for the appointment of two independent Governments. Proviso (a) of Clause members to be approved unanimously 10 (4) therefore provides that not more by the participating Governments. than $300 million of the assets of the

------381 6 JULY 1960 382 Fund may be invested in publicly Development provided that this has issued securities of. or guaranteed by. been unanimously agreed. Although any of the participating Governments the major part of the Fund is likely provided that such securi9.es are to continue to be invested in sterling redeemable within 20 years from the securities, circumstances may arise date of acquisition by the Board. where it would be advantageous for Paragraph (ii) of this proviso ensures the Board to invest a certain propor­ that such investment will take place in tion of the Fund in non-sterling securi­ an orderly fashion, the maximum rate ties, possibly in U.S. dollar securities. permitted being $100 million in each of Provision is therefore made for such the first three years after the Agreement investments under proviso (b) of comes into force. The value of the Fund Clause 10 (4). It is provided that such on 31st December. 1959, was $1.242 investments can only be made with million and therefore the proportion of the unanimous consent of all the the Fund which may be so invested is participating Governments and must be only 24 per cent. Such a percentage will confined to publicly issued Govern­ not in any way impair public con­ ment securities maturing within a fidence in the stability of the currency period of five years from the date of as the external sterling reserves will purchase by the Board. I agree that remain at a high level. The Third these provisions are rather rigid, but Schedule . sets out the formula for they represent the largest possible determining the proportion of the sum measure of agreement among the parti­ of $300 million which may be invested cipating Governments. Nonetheless. in the securities of each of the parti­ this should be a satisfactory arrange­ cipating Governments. The formula ment provided there is goodwill on all allows for a slight variation in these sides, and I have no doubt that that shares. but. on the basis of the amount goodwill will be forthcoming. / of currency at present in circulation in each territory, the Federation's share The Board has an obligation to will be of the order of $180 million. provide sterling on demand in the United Kingdom against Malayan Clause 6 (4) of the 1950 Agreement currency deposited with it at any of provided that the Fund, other than the its offices. The Board must. therefore, liquid portion. could· only be invested ensure that it retains adequate liquid in sterling securities of the United reserves to fulfil this obligation at all Kingdom. or of Governments subject times. Oause 10 (3) (b) provides for to the jurisdiction of the United a liquid portion of the Fund. and such Kingdom. or in such other securities portion is to be maintained at not less as were approved by the United than 30 per cent of the value of the Kingdom. As a result of constitutional whole Fund. Furthermore. under and economic developments. it is con­ Clause 10 (5), this liquid portion must sidered that the avenues of investment be invested entirely in short-term should be widened. and therefore sterling securities. Clause 10 (4) of the new Agreement provides that the Fund can be invested It is clear. therefore. that the pro­ .in the sterling securities of. or guaranteed visions of Clause 10 taken as a whole by. any Commonwealth Government. provide not only for the continued excluding participating Governments. stability of our currency and public or in the sterling securities of any confidence therein. but also ensure that international monetary institution sub­ a reasonable proportion of the reserves ject to the unanimous agreement of the could be made available to finance participating Governments. As I have development both in the Federation already stated, investment in the and in the territories of the other securities of participating Governments participating Governments. is limited to ·· $300 million. It would As regards withdrawal from the therefore be possible. for instance, for Agreement. Oause 17 provides that part of the Fund to be invested in the any participating Government may sterling securities issued by the Inter­ withdraw by lodging a notice of re­ national Bank for Reconstruction and placement which becomes effective . 383 6 JULY 1960 3~

18. months after it has been lodged will be resid~ Q.Sset.s wltlch ~ay P.mYe with the Board. A period of 18 months fo be substantial. A~ the en.d of 1959 has been fixed as ·this is considered the assets of · this Fund exceeded its to be the minimum period which liabilities by $82 miliion and the members will require to make alter­ currency in circulation was $1,124 native arrangements for the issue of million. If we assume that 10 per cept their own currency. of the currency will not be redeenied. Clause 17 is mainly technical in the residual assets will total about character, and makes provision for the $195 million, of which the ·Federation orderly redemptio11 of the present will be entitled to receive approXimately $117 (4) currency and the handin~ over of the million. Clause 19 (a} therefore assets of the Fund to the new provides for the distribu!i~n of s~ch authority or authorities who will be residual asset~ to the participating responsible for issuing currency to Governments after proper provision has replace that which has been been made for a con.tingent liability ·in redeemed-in the case of the Federa­ respect of tlie issued and unredeemed tion, the new authority will be ·the currency of the Board. The reserve so Bank Negara Tanah Melayu. I consider created must, in accordance with Clause that these provisi6ns are satisfactory 19 (5), be transferred to the Principal from the Federation's point of view. Agent. It was considered by the participat­ Clause 20 provides for further ing Governments that 18 months might periodiC distributions of the surplus not allow adequate time for all Govern­ assets of the Fund, but to ensure that ments to make satisfactory arrange­ funds are always available to meet the ments for the issue of their own cost of redeeming the currency of the currency and, therefore, Clause 18 Board' whenever presented· for redemp­ provides that any Government may tion, Clause 20 (2) makes the participa­ '""\~ request the Board to continue issuing ting Governments liable to meet any the present currency in its territory for deficiency which may arise in the a further period of 6 months. Similarly, reserve created to meet this liability. sub•section (b) of this Clause provides The Federation's share of any such that existing coins may, with the deficiency is charged on the . Consoli­ agreement of the participating Govern­ dated Fund under Clause 4 of the Bill. ments, be made available to any parti­ It is idle to pretend that this Agree­ cipating Government which makes a ment meets the complete requirements request therefor to the Board. This of a sovereign and independent nation. provision is necessary, as the minting The only possible final objective must of new coins is slow and expensive, be to issue our own currency as soon as and interim arrangements are therefore practicable through our own Central desirable. Bank. This we intend to do. It is, Consideration was given to the however, vitally important that in the possibility of the Board remaining in process our financial stability must be existence after the withdrawal of any maintained, and this is only possible if, of the participating Governments, but among other things, public confidence it was agreed that this would raise in the Malayan dollar is also main­ insuperable problems and therefore tained. Hence,· one· cannot dispute the Clause 19 . provides that the Board desirability of an ·orderly ttansition should in due course be placed in from our former dependent status into liquidation after a notice of replace­ a fully-fledged sovereign nation ih ·the ment has been lodged under Clause 17 monetary sphere and this has · to be of the Agreement. achieved in two stages. The assets of the Fund must be The Government ·has been criticised applied jn the first instance to the for, what I wouid describe, excessive redemption of the .curreµcy .issued by delay in ·making the Centr~l ·n~ t,he Board but experien.ce sho~s that r~~pon~ible for the. issue . qf Qur hot all _c]Jrrency issue4 .will be _pJ:e~n­ curren~y. I am :uµa~le tQ -~ccept · iWs ted for red,emption and therefore there criticism. The first step toyrards the 385 6 JJJLY 1960 ·386 issue of currency was to establish our House immediately resolved itself own Central Bank. This was done in info a Committee on the Bill. ·~.. January, 1959, and we have now taken the second step by negotiating a revised Bill considered in Committee. Currency Agreement which makes (Mr. President in the Chair) specific provision for the withdrawal of members. The negotiations for a new Clauses 1 to 11 inclusive ordered to Agreement involved six governments stand part of the Bill. and inevitably took considerable time Schedule ordered to stand part of the before final agreement was reached. Bill. We are now in a sound position to take such further steps as are necessary Bill reported without amendment : to make the Bank Negara responsible read the third time and passed. for the issue of our currency and this Agreement can therefore be regarded THE PREVENTION OF CRIME as a purely temporary arrangement. I (AMENDMENT) BILL agree that it is possible for us to with­ draw completely from the existing Second Reading Agreement without providing for an Tun Leong Yew Koh: Mr. President, interim arrangement such as this, but, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled in such circumstances, there might be "an Act to amend the Prevention ,0f chaos in our monetary system, and this, Crime Ordinance" be read . a second as Honourable Members will agree, is time. a very serious matter indeed, because confidence is a very delicate plant and Engku Muhsein: Sir, I beg to second once ·destroyed cannot easily be revived. the motion. An abrupt change could not possibly ~-::; provide the time for elaborate and The Assistant Minister of the complicated arrangements needed for a Interior (Enche' Mohd. Ismail bin smooth changeover. Further, it would Mohd. Yusof): Mr. President, Sir, also mean the loss of our share· of the permit me to explain very briefly the residual assets of the Currency Fund, Bill to amend the Prevention ()f Crittle and, from what I have said already, it Ordinance. should be clear to Honourable Mem­ Sir, the Prevention of Crime Ordi­ ber~ that such a loss might amount to nance has now been in force since a substantial figure of many millions of April last year and there has been an dollars, a loss we can ill afford owing opportunity to study its operations. to our continuing need to find adequate The only power of summary arrest finance for the future economic conferred on Police officers in this development of the Federation, parti­ legislation is that contained in Section cularly the Second Five Year Plan, a 3 (1) which deals with the arrest of any need which will by no means be covered person with the intention of holding an by the present high prices of rubber. inquiry into his case under the provi­ Such being the alternative, the Currency sions of the law. The Police have, Aw-cement, 1960, ·does represent a however,·no powers of summary arrest mtlestone of significant progress, and in respect of the offences set out in ensures that the next step which we Section 16 which requires a person shall take will not only be firm but will registered under the Ordinance not to crown many years of patient and consort with other registered persons; skilled endeavour by many people, and Section 18 which deals with loitering will enable us to build to greater and by such persons; and Section 19 more enduring heights on a strong which deals with the harbouring of and stable foundation. such persons. Question put, and agreed to. It is considered that the absence of the power of summary arrest in this Bill· accordingly read a second time case weakens the position of the Police and committed to a Committee of the to deal promptly and effectively in the '\\'hole House. · circumstances which are describeq, ·~n4 387 6 JULY 1960 388 the object of the Bill before the House Bill considered in Committee. is accordingly to confer the necessary (Mr. President in the Chair) powers of summary arrest upon the Police. Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to · . . stand part of the Bill. Bill accordmgly read a second time and committed to a Committee of the Schedule ordered to stand part of the whole House. Bill. . House immediately resolved itself Bill rePattit­ ugama, baik ugama Islam, Catholic lah melupakan ka1iaii2 kita daripada dan Hindu, jadi, bagaimana masaalah segi ugama kerana· jika kita hendlik ini minta di-luluskan. Maka itu-lah kaji dari segi ugama~ halal atau haram sebab-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya pada pendapat saya, maseh ban.yak tagi dan parti saya inenetang inasaalah perkara2 yang lebeh besar haram-nya melanjutkan lagi perkara loteri ini. yang sedang . bebas berjiµan dalam -· Enche' A. M. Aba Dakar: Mr. negeri ini. Apa yang patut Jp.ta kaji President, Sir, I am very much surprised ia-lah soal faed~h-nya Loteri Kebaji". kan Masharakat sekaral).g ini dari to note that religion has been brought 2 into this House. If my Honourable and faed~h itu telah pun Kita dengar sa.­ learned friend on religious subject bagallllana yang d1-katakatt oleh pehak Menteri yang berkenaan tadi. · wishes to o~pose this Bill, the first and foremost thing that he should do is to Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada get his Party to. campaign against the Kelantan dan iuga ~2 Yang Ber­ importation of liquors into this country. hormat daripada pehak wakil parti The Honourable Member also said that Islam dalam Dewan Ra'ayat, sa-telah the Government. sliohld find other way~ ti.ta dengar perbahathart .dan per­ and means. tO improve social services. binchaiigan yang hangat yang te1ah Sir, most of the revenue derived from di,;datangkan, inereka itu menudoh 39~ 6 JULY 1960 396 bahawa loteri ini haram bagi mensesuai­ sebab itu saya rasa perkara loteri ini kan keadaan ugama Islam sa-bagai langsong saya ta' hendak ukor dengan ·~ ugama resmi negeri ini dan patut-lah ugama, sebab saya takut kalau di-ukor di-tegah daripada di-jalankan. Saya nanti terbalek pula. Dalam pada itu berharap. Tuan Yang di-Pertua. hal ini saya menyokong-lah ta' gemarkan loteri kalau kita tengok balek ka-belakang ini. tetapi saya mengikut dari belakang. manakala kita menyiasat banyak dari­ Macham mana rupa-nya yang saya pada ahli2 PAS sendiri yang telah tidak menyokong loteri ini. tetapi saya menerima dan mengambil bantuan ikut dari belakang. Apa sebab-nya saya daripada wang loteri ini bukan sahaja mengikut? Ini sebab-nya: saya mem­ ahli biasa-nya tetapi daripada para bawa satu dua cherita. Di-tempat saya 'Alim Ulama'-nya. Yang saya tahu sendiri bila saya hendak buat sekolah sangat2 daripada negeri Perak beberapa tambahan, saya panggil orang daripada orang 'Alim Ulama'-nya telah meng­ 9 buah masjid minta fikiran mereka itu ambil wang loteri ini bagi mendirikan macham mana jalan boleh dapat duit. Sekolah 'Arab dan Hostel. Dan yang Kemudian di-buat-lah satu daftar minta­ Iebeh pelek lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lah izin orang itu dengan nasehat Dato92 saya ada membawa secharek akhbar Lebai yang mengajar di-sekolah itu. yang usang ia-itu Berita Harian tahun Saya pun ikut-lah membuat 9 daftar 1958~ "Sa-orang Ulama' yang terkenal di-hantarkan kapada 9 buah masjid­ negeri Perak yang menjadi Nazir sa­ satu tempat satu daftar. Saya tahu buah Sekolah 'Arab yang besar di­ pada sekian2 haribulan saya akan Padang Rengas, yang saya tidak silap terima balek daftar itu. Bila hari per­ ingatan saya, ada-Iah ketua Dewan jumpaan yang di~tentukan itu saya Ulama' PAS sa-Tanah Melayu. Kalau dapati daftar itu kembali ka-tangan saya tidak silap, mengikut peratoran saya di-mana wang yang ada di-dalam­ Undang2 tuboh PAS itu ada-lah Dewan nya hanya $9.00 tetapi yang saya ··-"'\.-::_ Ulama' itu ada-Iah Dewan yang ter­ hendak belanjakan ini lebeh kurang tinggi sa-kali dalam parti PAS dan $500. Wang yang saya dapat hanya ketua Dewan itu telah memberi petua $9.00 dengan mengikut nasehat Dato'2 bahawa Loteri Masharakat itu tidak Guru tadi. Jadi di-sini dapat di-ukor haram. bukan judi. Bahkan dia sendiri apa rasa-nya kita pada ketika itu ! telah pun meminta bantuan wang Sa-kali lagi saya panggil meshuarat ter­ Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat sa-banyak masok Dato'2 Lembaga-perjalanan $50.000 untok di-gunakan bagi mem­ bantuan Dato'2 Lembaga ia-itu 9 Dato' bena Hostel Sekolah-nya. Dan sa­ Lembaga dan 10 sama dengan Dato' lanjut-nya dia memberi macham2 petua Penghulu. Saya buat lagi 9 daftar. yang saya tidak payah-lah bachakan tiap2 satu orang Lembaga itu ada dalam chatitan akhbar ini. J adi, saya mempunyai anak buah-nya. Bila ku­ rasa sa-bagai ketua Dewan Ulama' PAS tipan itu sudah di-ja:lankan sampai pada yang tinggi dudok-nya, hairan-lah saya masa-nya di-hantarkan balek ka-tangan sakelian Ulama' dan ahli2 PAS yang saya maka dapat-lah tambahan $13.00 ada di-dalam Dewan Ra 'ayat dan yang di-champor dengan $9.00 berjumlah ada: dalam Dewan Negara ini ber­ $21.00.. Tetapi fasal apa pula $22.00 pendirian yang berlawanan pula tinggal $21.00 fasal-nya satu ringgit dengan petua yang di-berikan oleh itu duit kertas. (Ketaw.a). Itu yang saya ketua Dewan Ulama' PAS itu. Jadi. dapat.. Kemudian saya panggil lagi saya perchaya apa yang di-binchangkan kumpolan-langsong orang2 ta' mahu oleh Ahli2 Yang Berhormat daripada datang, fasal Dato'2 Lembaga sudah PAS ini ada-lah dengan kerana meng­ malu maka mereka ta' mahu datang. gunakan kesempatan ·bagi keadaan2 Apa daya saya henda:k buat? Tetapi politik parti mereka itu. sa-mata2. saya mustahak hendak mengadakan sa­ Sekian-lah. Tuan Yang di-Pertua. buah sekolah tambahan. Kemudian Enche' Abdul Wahab bin ldos: saya panggil orang2 muda dan ada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun di­ sadikit orang2 tua termasok beberapa sini berasa scram sejok sahaja badan orang guru. Saya pun berchakap dalam saya, lebeh2 lagi bila saya tumpukan Majlis itu mengatakan saya umpama­ fikiran saya terhadap ugama. Dengan kan macham mengail ikan. MuJa2 saya

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-··~~~-· 397 6 JULY 1960 39~ kail ikan itu dengan umpan yang nasi­ di-masa itu terus kita tutupkan. Kalau ?' nya giling berchampor kunyit. Jadi itu­ kita hendak ukoran bila kita tidak lah makanan pada kita ia-itu nasi; ini berjalan, ini satu chontoh juga-.:...OOrlaku juga kita panchingkan dengan ikan. juga, bukan di-tempat saya, tetapi Hean ta' dapat. Saya kail sa-kali lagi kawasan tempat yang saya biasa mela­ dengan umpan kerengga pun ikan ta' wat. Saya dapati ada sa-orang tua sakit dapat-ta' menchukopi dapat-nya. Jadi terlantar di-atas sa-buah pondok kechil. apa-kah yang patut kita buat? Saya Masa itu perchakapan saya boleh juga bertanya pada orang ramai. Masing2 ta' di-segani orang. Kalau umpama-nya dapat memberi jawapan. Saya beri saya berchakap dengan 10 orang jawapan-nya ia-itu "panching" sahaja. mungkin barangkali 6 daripada-nya Bahasa di-tempat saya sana, minta boleh mendengar perchakapan saya. ma'af, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkataan­ Jadi saya hendak chuba mendatangkan nya kurang baik sadikit-"panching" pertolongan atau derma kapada orang bahasa di-tempat saya sana kalau tua itu. Kalau pertolongan itu lama umpan keluar dari belakang (Ketawa). mungkin orang2 ta' berdaya menolong­ Itu kalau di-tempat saya sana, kalau nya. Orang tua itu walau pun dia sakit sakira-nya sa-tengah pikul dalam. sa­ dia ta' boleh berjalan. Dia tidor di­ buah lobok itu boleh kita dapat barang­ sabuah pondok kechil lebeh kurang kali 48 kati-2 kati tinggal, sampai satu depa besar sedikit. Pondok-nya bagitu sekali. Jadi, apa-kah gaya-nya chukup kechil, hiba kita menengok-nya. dengan mengadakan joget dan loteri tetapi orang2 di-tempat itu ta' berdaya bicycle. Sa-sudah saya buat macham itu pula hendak menderma lama2 kapada baharu-lah saya dapat buat sekolah orang tua itu. Orang tua itu ta' hendak tambahan sampai hari ini sudah ber­ mati (Ketawa). Sudah 6 bulan di-tempat jalan lebeh kurang 15 tahun maseh itu dia belum lagi mati. Orang2 sudah tahan lagi. Itu-lah dia tuan2, jadi di­ tidak berdaya lagi. Apa hal? Kalau sini bersesuaian dengan perchakapan saya, sekali2 berani menderma satu Yang Berhormat saudara kita Enche' ringgit, lebeh saya ta' berani mengikut Amaluddin bin Darus orang itu sudah ukoran saya pula. Apa hendak buat? terlampau dahagakan ayer, nampak­ Jadi mahu ta' mahu ini juga nampak­ nya terpaksa di-minta ka-tempat itu. nya kita terpaksa pergi mengadu, sebab standard atau darjah hidup Di-sini betul sesuai pula saperti yang ra'ayat yang ada di-kampong pada hari di-chakapkan oleh Yang Berhormat ini belum ada rupa, belum ada perse­ Enche' Ahmad bin Said sa-orang ulama diaan sendiri hendak buat macham ini, dalam bahagian PAS sa-belah pehak macham besar2an hari ini yang macham sana dia hendak bantuan 50 ribu ringgit teket loteri ini. dan ada orang lain yang sudah mem­ bacha dalam akhbar2 di-beberapa Lagi satu ukoran terhadap loteri tempat; walau pun bertengkar terhadap yang kita hebohkan ini yang hanya masjid, surau dan lain2 pun meminta berkembang 10 tahun umor-nya­ bantuan derma itu. Ini kita tidak mahu belum lama, tetapi saya sudah hidup tabu, kita tidak mahu ukoran ugama dalam dunia ini sudah 52 tahun. Dalam orang itu. iman orang itu, kita tidak 40 tahun yang lebeh itu loteri ini belum mahu ukoran, tetapi masa-nya kata berkembang lagi. Ada ta' judi dalam orang2 tua di-Negri Sembilan: "Lobok negeri kita ini? (Ada.I) Ini judi inemang dengan hen.dang dengan tempat pada ada. Kadang2 sampai berdarah kepala. tentang-nyd'. Jadi, bila masok lobok Kadang2 bila mendengar wisil Polis walau pun saya ta' gemar dengan loteri, mereka itu lari. Tetapi judi ini sejak tetapi oleh sebab Kerajaan menentukan saya dari kechil sampai saya tua, judi akan buat sa-lama 5 tahun erti-nya itu ta' juga berhenti. Ada juga ta' tidak-lah Kerajaan negeri ini berhajat kurang bahaya-nya-ada yang habis hendak mengekalkan kapada ra'ayat harta pusaka, dan barangkali ada juga untok selama2-nya-tidak. Kerajaan yang berlaku _saperti yang saya chakap­ chuba 5 tahun. barangkali sampai 5 kan itu mungkin Ahli2 semua tahu tahun nanti apabila Ranchangan Luar bahawa di-tempat lain pun ada juga Bandar kalau sudah dapat mengubah berlaku saperti di-tempat saya itu. Dan nasib ra'ayat negeri ini, barangkali saya sendiri tahu ada sa-orang keluarga 399 6 JULY 1960 400 saya yang kerja-nya main judi sahaja. perkara ugama dalam perkara ini, di­ Sejak saya lahir dalam dunia ini agak­ samping itu, saya berdo'a mudah2an nya pada masa itu dia sudah tahu dan inacham do'a yang di-bachakan pada sudah pandai bermain judi sa-hingga­ pagi tadi, barangkali ada pertunjok-nya kan rambut-nya sudah sampai puteh pada masa ini dan jangan-lah hendak~ ta' berhenti juga. Sudah beberapa kali nya di-kekalkan malahan di-ukor saya sendiri nienasehat-nya, dia ta• dengan keadaan tanah ayer dan ra'ayat­ berhenti juga sa-hingga dahulu-nya ada nya pada masa yang akan datang. dua tiga puloh ekar kebon, tetapi (Tepok). · sekarang ini ta' ada dua ekar pun kebun-nya yang tinggal-boleh di­ Enche' Nik Hassan bin Haji Nik katakan ta' ada lagi. Kalau ada duit Yahya: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya· sahaja dia hendak berjudi juga. Apa bangun bl.Jkan kerana hendak me· ada faedah-nya kapada masharakat? nyebut dan menyentoh mana2 pehak Satu pun ta' ada faedah-nya melainkan tetapi saya bangun menyokong yang main judi dan orang yang chadangan yang di-bawa oleh pebak melawan-nya. itu pun rosak binasa. Kerajaan ini, kerana memandangkan banyak muslihat dari kemajuan yang Oleh sebab itu, yang pertama perkara di-buat dalam negeri Kelantan khas­ judi ini sejak dari dahulu sampai hari nya, yang mana wang2-nya daripada ini ta' putus2-merbahaya-nya ta' Loteri Kebajikan ini semenjak kurang2. Yang kedua, apa yang dapat beberapa tahun yang lepas boleh daripada judi macham itu sa-lain dari­ di-katakan ratusan dbu ringgit telah pada yang di-anjorkan oleh Kerajaan; di-belanjakan di-dalam negeri Ke­ itu menjadi perbandingan. Yang ketiga, lantan. Sa-bagaimana saya sertdiri saya buat cherita itu ia-lah kerana ada-lah sa-orang daripada ahli hendak :rpembuat satu kemajuan dengan Jawatan-Kuasa sa-buah Sekolah jalan ylJ,ng tulus ikhlas-itu yang saya Ugama 'Arab di-bandar Kota Baharu dapat. Ka-empat, ini. tidak hendak di­ bahagian perempuan yang bernania kekalkan, jika sakira-nya Kerajaan madarasah Naimal Bannat telah berchita2 hendal\ mengekalkan loteri berusaha hendak mengadakan rumah ini atau hendak c;li-kekalkan sampai bangunan~nya sendiri semenjak tahun bila2: kata-lah Kerajaan Perikatan 1,942. tetapi sa-bagitu lama masa-nya selama Perikatan berkuasa, barangkali tidak dapat membangunkan rumah­ empat-lima kali pilehan raya dia nya sendiri. Tetapi dengan ada-nya berkuasa juga dan kata-lah hendak di­ bantuan dan penintokan kapada kekalkan loteri itu bahkan saya pada bang~an2 Sekol~h Ugan,a . ini, maka hari ini pun membangkang Kerajaan dengan pertolongan Perdana Menteri Perikatan, kerana pada masa itu kita dengan kerj'a-satp.a daripada memang tidak patut, tetapi ukoran-nya anggota Loterl K:~bajikan ini. hanya hendak memanjangkan selama 5 bangunan itu telah cbuba di-bangunkan tahun. Dengan sebab apa, boleh-lah walau pun wang-nya m~seh tidak kita katakan mengukor keadaan negeri chukup. Sa-buah bangunan yang kita pada hari ini, kalau ta' buat berharga $100.000 lebeh · telah di~ machani itu banyak orang2 yang barigunkan di-baildar Kota Baharu. terlantar di-kampong2. Sjapa yang Loteri Kebajikan memberi sa-banyak hendak bela 1 Sia pa hendak betulkan 1 $75,000 hari ini maseh kekurapgan Orang2 di-negeri saya sana, kalau orang sa-banyak $35,000 lagi. Saya chuba kampong itu boleh saya katakan mem­ m~mandang, kalau2, dapat timbangan punyai malu, sebab saudara perempuan daripada Kerajaan Kelantan ia-itu itu ada di-beri barta. Jadi, kalau yang sa-btiah Kerajaan yang di-perentah lain itu terlantar, terpaksa-lah orang2 oleh sa-buah parti yang · sangat di-sabelah petempuan itu di-bawa bertitnbang rasa kapada gerakan balek; itu pun ta' berdaya pada hari kemajuan ugama dalam negeri itu. ini, banyak juga yang terlantar. Ini-lah Tetapi jangarikan permohonail ban­ ukoran yang saya oeri~an tadL Uk:oran tuan itu hendak di-dmbangkan kejadian dan ukoran di-masa ini. Saya bahkan Surat permohonan ittl pun sama sa-kali tidak hendak inembawa tidak di-jawab sampai hari ini. 401 6 JULY 1960 402 Saya rasa J:>erbra sil'-umpailia ini Uritok meneritukan harani atau halal patut saya kemtikakan supaya pehak satu2 perkerjaan itu ada-lah 'alirri yang menjadi wakil daripada iiegeri ulama dalam seluroh negeri ini boleh Kelantan boleh membawa balek bermeshuarat, menentukan dan meng­ cherita saya ini~ mudah2an negen ambil keputusan apa juga yang di­ Kelantan akan mengadakan satu fikirkan patut. Kita bermeshuarat ia-lah peruntokan, akan memberi pertolongan menjalankan kewajipan dan menunai­ yang besar kapada pergerakan kan kewajipan yang boleh memberi kemajuan ugama dalam negeri itu. kebaikan dan membaikkan ra'ayat ini. Sa-lain qarip~da itu, saya suka dalam negeri memberi. tahniah kapada Jawatan­ Saya rasa pada masa ini dalam. Kuasa Loteri Kebajikan ini kerana negeri Kelantan . maseh b~yaJc khidmatan2-nya yang telah di-beri permohonan yang di-hadapkan kapada kapada persekutuan2 dan sekolah2, Le,mbaga Loteri Kebajikan ini. sa-lain daripada Sekolah2 Ugama tetapi permohonan ini kita harap dalam negeri Kelantan. Saya rasa tentu-lah akan mendapat timbangan kira-nya tjdak dengan bantuan yang yang baik. Saya tidak harus berchakap sa~umpama itu, maka sudah tentu-lah dalam perkara sa-umpama ini, banyak badan2 sukarela itu tiqak kerana saya bukan wakil negeri dapat menjalankan kerja-nya untok Kelantan atau Kerajaan Kelantan, kebajikan dan faedah orang ramai. saya harus berchakap perkara yang Hari ini negeri Kelantan mengharam­ 2 lain daripada apa yang pattit saya kan permainan yang boleh menchari katakan, tetapi oleh kerana keadaan, derma untok kebajikan orang ramai, kedudokan ra'ayat dalam negeri itu ini ada-lah satu lagi bagi menyekat, berkehendakkan supaya kehidupan. menahan orang tamai, badan yang pergerakan, kebajikan, badan2 yang bersukarela menchari wang untok bergerak untok memberi faedah kapada kemajuan negeri dan ra'ayat di-negeri sekolah, perkara2 kebajikan dan per­ sana. Jadi sa-kira-nya permainan kara yang lain itu harus mendapat ini di-tahan, Lembaga Loteri Kebaji­ 2 ·timbangan yang saksama daripad~ kan dan apa juga permainan di-tahari Loteri Kebajikan ini, jadi hal ini patut dan segala kehendak ra'ayat untok menchari wang kerana menjalankan di~beri timbangan dan di-usahakan. kerja kebajikah ini di-tahan, saya ~ya terkejut manakala wakil. n~geri rasa dalam masa 5-10 tahun hadapan Kelantan datang di-sini meminta ini apa yang akan jadi kapada orang supaya di-tutup Lembaga Loteri Keba­ ramai, tidak-lah dapat kita jangkakan. jikan ini, kerana ra'ayat negeri Tetapi saya rasa kita patut-lah insaf Kelantan saya rasa berkehendakkan bahawa kita datang ka-Dewan ini, kapada bantuan, sokongan daripah yang ia-nya kira-nya kita bangkitkan dan jadikan bahathkan perkara ini dari segi ugama. satu perbahathan. Jadi, saya rasa tidak rtletiasabah sa­ Kita bermeshuarat hari ini bukan kali~lah kalau kita hendak memikirkan hendak lllenentukan ada-kah loteri perkara sa-uµipaina ini dan kita hen· itu haram atau halal, tetapi kita dak bandingkan 4engan perge~akan mes~uarat had ini ada-lah melanjut­ dan kehendak ugailia. ~ba:h kalilu kita kan uridang2 yang sedia ada itu bandirigbn per~ara ugama. kita teritu berjalan S tahun lagi iliasa-nya. bandingkan banyak perkara lagi yang 403 6 JULY 1960 404 maseh berjalan yang di-jalankan oleh berlaku kerana Undang2 Loteri Keba­ Kerajaan. Saya sebutkan satu chontoh jikan ini berjalan yang boleh merosak­ ·'..:: undang2 yang di-jalankan dalam negeri kan, yang boleh memporak-perandakan Kelantan yang di-gelarkan Undang2 kehidupan ra'ayat, sa-kurang2-nya Jual Janji. Undang2 Jual Janji ini chontohkan 1-2 orang yang telah satu orang itu boleh jual harta-benda­ menggadaikan harta-benda-nya kerana nya kapada satu pehak dengan harga membeli tiket loteri. Tetapi kalau sa-kian2, dan pehak yang menerima saya hendak mengeluarkan chontoh itu boleh merampas tanah itu dalam orang yang telah menghabiskan harta tempoh yang tertentu walau pun per­ benda orang, yang merampas harta janjian itu tidak bagitu mahal harga­ benda orang dengan Undang2 Jual nya kalau di-bandingkan dengan harga Janji saperti Kelantan itu, banyak saya tanah itu. Undang2 ini maseh berjalan boleh beri chontoh, chontoh yang dan banyak ra'ayat yang telah memburokan kehidupan ra'ayat dengan terkorban dengan Undang2 Jual Janji widang2 yang berjalan hari ini di­ ini. Ada-kah Undang2 Jual Janji ini negeri Kelantan, . boleh di-katakan di-buat dan yang sedang berjalan dalam banyak family2 yang berporak-peranda negeri Kelantan ini satu Undang2 Jual dengan chara menjalankan undang2 Janji yang halal dari segi ugama? yang resmi yang telah di-jalankan-nya, Ada-kah ulama' dalam negeri Kelantan yang sedang di-jalankan-nya dan belum pada masa ini memikirkan jual janji di-timbangkan oleh Kerajaan. Kalau yang merosakkan kehidupan ra'ayat. saya hendak mencheritakan chontoh­ yang menghabiskan harta itu, yang nya banyak, chontoh yang boleh saya keluarkan di-sana tetapi saya rasa banyak memakan belanja. yang meru­ baik kalau kita meletakkan perban­ gikan ra'ayat itu berupa makan bunga dingan, undang2 ini ada-lah lebeh yang haram itu ma'ana-nya dari segi membahayakan daripada kebajikan. ugama boleh di-jalankan pada masa Chontoh yang mana membahayakan ini? Dan telah berjalan semenjak dan beberapa banyak keluarga yang beberapa tahun, saya rasa undang2 harta benda-nya habis dengan kerana yang di-buat dan yang sedang di­ membeli tiket Loteri Kebajikan Masha­ jalankan di-bawah kuat-kuasa Kera­ rakat. Ini satu perkara yang tidak jaan Kelantan yang banyak orang telah boleh kita lepas chakap dengan kerana terkorban, ada-kah itu dari segi ugama hendak mendapat chuma supaya baik? Ada-kah ini pada segi ugama ra'ayat memikirkan kami-lah bagi kalau di-bandingkan dengan Undang2 pembela sa-umpama ini supaya akhbar2 Loteri Kebajikan lebeh baik yang itu mengeluarkan orang ini yang menen­ atau pun lebeh baik loteri itu berjalan? tang: Jadi, saya rasa patut kita tim­ Ini satu perbandingan yang patut di­ bangkan perkara ini dengan chermat fikirkan dengan chermat. Kalau-lah dan memberi tahniah yang . tinggi Undang2 Loteri Kebajikan ini kita sa-kali kapada Lembaga Loteri Kebaji­ fikirkan lebeh merbahaya daripada kan Masharakat ini dengan menjalan­ undang2 memakan riba, mengambil kan kerja2-nya yang mana kebajikan­ harta-benda orang dengan chara yang nya banyak di-dapati khas-nya dalam sa-umpama itu; itu terserah-lah kapada negeri Kelantan (Tepok). timbangan ahli2 Dewan ini memikir­ Enche' Athi Nahappan: Mr. Presi­ kan. Tetapi saya rasa perkara yang dent, Sir, I do not wish to make a lebeh dahshat yang di-lakukan dalam lengthy speech. We have heard the negeri itu patut di-pertimbangkan sa­ practical benefits of these lotteries bagaimana saudara kita tadi berchakap, enumerated by the Minister of Health ia memikirkan perkara ini memberi and Social Welfare. I am sure even bahaya yang paling besar daripada the Opposition will not dispute the kebajikan yang di-terima oleh ra'ayat. benefits that we have received over the Saya rasa kalau kita hendak memikir­ years to the handsome figure of nearly kan bahaya-nya lebeh besar itu, patut $20 million. pehak yang berchakap itu menunjokkan Sir, the lottery can be attacked on chontoh satu daripada bahaya yang two grounds, namely. on the religious 405 6 JULY 1960 406 ground. and the moral or ethical unearned income is ethically bad. If ground. If we are going to attack the we are going to argue on that, then the lottery on the religious ground. then Socialists and Communists will say. I am afraid that we will come up "Well, the son inherits property from against many other issues in which the his father. After his father's death he Government is directly or indirectly becomes rich due to unearned income, connected. My Honourable friend from income that was accumulated by his Penang raised the question of liquors; father." There again. even though we he also raised the matter of pork. In are allowing unearned income, we have fact, duties are levied on various goods by the process of estate duty tried to which are not really acceptable reli­ take a good slice of the property giously. But then a Government has inherited. But it is allowed, and if we got to manage the affairs of the country can allow unearned income in other and it is difficult from the secular fields, why not we do so here? We point of view to follow all the princi­ have to consider objectively and weigh ples of religion. There has to be a line up the harm and the good that may drawn, some kind of compromise or, come out of this. If, on the whole, we shall we say, reconciliation. If we are find that we get more good than harm, going to attack it on the ethical or then it should be allowed to carry on. moral ground, that it is a vice, and During the last ten years the Lottery any vice is bad, then it should be has been going on and it has benefited stopped. A government should not be the country in a very substantial way. directly or indirectly responsible in It has incidentally created some people managing an unethical organisation, within the range of small millionaires­ and it is bad. Sir, presumably the but that should not be really detrimen­ lottery is attacked because it is con­ tal to the country. Therefore, Sir, I sidered to be a gambling. A thing is support this merely by weighing the -:·~ called gambling where skill is not benefits that we have received and not used and you merely benefit something by looking at it as a point of morals by chance. Many moralists would say or religious matter. We should not look so. Now, if it is purely a chance game, at it that way because if we do, then then we should consider whether this we have got other matters, other vice has prompted temptations in many problems, that we should also weigh people, and whether they have ruined up in a similar manner. We cannot themselves, and unbalanced them­ be hypocrites allowing some, accepting selves by being made victims of their some and disallowing some just because own temptations. We have seen many some people do not like it. That is people ruin themselves by indulging in not the proper way of looking at such excessive drinks-and yet drinks are public issues, and I think the Opposi­ available in this country. We have seen tion, when they come to power-if at many people ruin themselves and the all they do-I am sure they will be prospects of their families by indulging the first to retain this Lottery and in reckless gambling. probably try to get the admiration of various bodies by doling to them the We have seen people ruining them­ monies received by way of Lottery. selves in races such as horse racing, but can we really say, can anyone Enche' Da Abdul Jalil: Tuan Yang honestly point out to any person as di-Pertua, saya juga mengambil ke­ having ruined himself by buying sempatan dalam hal ini. Saya tidak lottery tickets? That is the criterion or hendak berchakap panjang dalam per­ yardstick as to the harm that the bahathan berkenaan dengan loteri ini Lottery may create ethically. No one kerana telah banyak di-bahathkan can really say that because he spends dalam Dewan Ra'ayat. Apa yang saya a dollar or two per month on lotteries hendak katakan ini-lah kalau dalam that he has financially affected himself. masa 10 tahun dahulu daripada tahun 1960 kita patut mengadakan loteri itu, Again, I think criticism has been itu boleh-lah di-katakan patut, kerana levelled in the Lower House that masa itu belum ada -lagi Ranchangan lotteries give unearned income, and Luar · Bandar. Sekarang saya rasa 407 6 JULY l960 408 segala apa kesulitan, segala apa ke· yang saya hendak b¢rchakap ia-lah susahan, segala apa penderitaan yang oleh kerana saudara Yang Berltormat di-tanggong oleh orang2 di-luar tadi datang-nya dari 'rrengganu dan bandar sa-bagaimana yang di-katakan 8aya juga ·datang dari Trengganu oleh sa-tengah2 Ahli Yang Berbormat (Ketawa). J adi, saya rasa bak kata yang berchakap dabulu daripada saya perumpamaan Melayu: "Kalau orang itu semua-nya ini dapat di-atasi buat baik di-balas baik''.. Di-negeri dengan ada-nya. Rancbangan Kemajuan Trengganu semenjak beberapa tahun Luar Bandar. Maka dengan ini tidak­ ini sa-bagaimana yang saya rasa tentu lah, saya rasa, perlu di-adakan loteri di-persetujui sama oleh saudara saya lagi. Pandangan di-atas loteri memang­ dari Trengganu ia-itu kedu1:1.2 Ahli lah satu perkara yang sunggob men­ Senator di-sa-belah kanan saya sini yang dapat pertentangan di-antara. satu menerima faedah ·duit loteri ini, dan gulongan dengan satu gulongan. Jikalau sa-sunggob-nya ·Kerajaan PAS yang kita tinjau babawa kata-lab loteri ini ada sekarang ini banyak menerima walau macham mana ada-nya, itu ada­ kesenangan dan pertolongan serta nama lah di-anggap sa-bagai judi, dan kalau­ baik basil daripada loteri ini. Sebab saya lah pemerentab telab mengharamkan berkata bagitu ia-lah pada awal tahun judi2 yang lain maka mengapa-kab pula ini sabaja, kalau ta' salah saya, Yang soal Ioteri ini tak mabu di-haramkan. Berhormat Menteri Pelajaran ada pergi Hasil yang timbul daripada loteri ini di-Trengganu dan beliau telah di­ walau pun banyak faedah2 dan iringi oleh Yang Berhormat Tuan menfa'at-nya yang telab di-berikan Speaker, Dewan Undangan Negeri sa-bagaimana yang di-nyatakan oleb Trengganu, sa-orang daripada Parti Yang Berbormat Menteri Kebajikan Islam yang telab membuka beberapa Masharakat tadi tetapi ada pula buah sekolab yang di-buat basil dari­ ekor2-nya yang timbul daripada loteri pada wang Loteri Kebajikan Masha­ ini ia-itu-lab judi tikam ekor. rakat ini. Dan kalau ta' salah, berbelas2 Judi tikam ekor, ada-lab basil dari­ sekolah telab di-buat basil daripada pada loteri dan ·kalau-lah tidak ada wang Lembaga Loteri Kebajikan Ma­ loteri ini, judi tikam ekor itu tidak sharakat ini. akan ada, dan judi tikam ekor ini di· Tuan Speaker Trengganu, Enche' haramkan oleb pemerentab sedangkan Mohd. Taib Sabri telah memuji2 loteri sendiri tidak di-haramkan. Sebab dengan panjang lebar kerana pertolo­ itu saya rasa babawa timbul-nya judi rigan yang baik di-dapati daripada tikam ekor itu ia-lah daripada loteri. wang Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat ini. Kalau loteri ini di-haramkan maka Sa-lain daripada itu pula, barangkali tidak ada-lah judi tikam ekor. Daripada sa-bulan ini, atau dua ·bulan fagi · satu judi tikam ekor itu .banyak-lah orang 2 bidang besar akan di-bena di•Kuala yang menerima bermacbam aniaya. Trengganu di-mana di-tempat · saya Saya tidak-lab hendak berchakap atas sendiri ia-itu sa-buah bangunan loteri ini dari segi ugama, banya mahu "Madrasah Alahyal, Sekolah Arab menyatakan babawa dengan ada-nya Perempuan," dengan harga, kalau ta' Ranchangan Kemajuan Luar Bandar salab $200,000 daripada wang Lem­ itu, harus-lah loteri ini di-berhentikan. bag;t Loteri Kebajikan Masharakat. Ini Kita mengetahui bahawa untok mem­ ada-lah juga satu daripada pertolongan beri bantuan · kapada ra'ayat jelata itu yang amat ·besar daripada pertolongan ada-lab menjadi kewajipan Kerajaan, Lembaga Loteri · kapada Kerajaan maka dengan ·Kerajaan mengadakan Negeri Trengganu, sebab apa saya ber­ loteri ini sa-olah2 Kerajaan hendak kata bagitu? · Sekolah Arab biasa~ mengelakkan tanggong jawab-nya ter­ nya ia-lah tanggong-jawab. Kerajaan hadap ra•ayat. Saya harap loteri ini Negeti-J{etajaan State. Maka de,ngan tidak-lah di-lanjutkan lagi. pertolongan daripaq~ pehak ·. Lemb'ag* Engku Mubsein: Tuan Yang di­ Loteii, ·dengan. mengadakan wang .ham­ Pertua, saya bercbakap dengan ringkas pir $1! miltioh · kerana membena sahaja ia-itu saya tidak-lah hendak "Madrasah Alahyal" chukup dengan berbahath di~atas perkara2 yang telah hostel· da11 lain2 lagi. ltu ada-lah men• di-~ran~an oleh rakan ~aya. ~di. Apa ja

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µama yang baik kapada Kerajaan money out of ~e Government revenue Trengganu yang ada sekara.ng ini, dan for social welfare project$ and pur­ oleh sebab itu, saya pangun · di-sini sa­ poses. But, Sir, let us have ~ look a~ bagai sa-orang ra'ayat negeri Treng­ Government's revenues as such. If the ganu merasa wajib bagi saya menerima Honourable Member argues on. teli­ kaseh banyak berhubong dengan ban­ giou~ ground, then I am afraid he is on tuan yang di-beri oleh Lembaga Loteri very weak ground, because Govern­ Kebajikan Masharakat kapada Kera­ ment's revenue is derived as you know jaan Negeri Trengganu. Saya rasa itu­ from many many sources : one of the lah sahaja sa-chara pendek yang hen­ sources is a 10 per cent tax on these dak saya chakapkan dalaln perkara very lotteries that we are debating to­ ini. (Tepok). day. The Lotteries Board has already paid, I think, over $7 million since taxa­ Dato' Ong Yoke Lin: Mr. President, tion was imposed on the Board in 1957 Sir, I was very surprised to hear from and in the future it is estimated that the Honourable Member from the the Lotteries Board will be paying to P.M.l.P. Bench who spoke just before Government revenue a sum of about the last speaker. I believe he has said $3 million a year. Besides that, the that "tikam ekor''-"number-game"­ Government gets its revenue from the which is a form of gambling is a result Turf Clubs and very many sources of these Social Welfare Lotteries. This which are considered haram. Well, Sir, is a surprising statement because I am that is the trend, the position, in this sure he knows that these Social Welfare country-a country of many races, of Lotteries have been in existence for many religions, people of many reli­ only ten years. I think the gambling in this country has been in existence gious faiths. Then, Sir, it will also from time immemorial. Just as we have follow that if all this money is consi­ heard of the oldest profession in the dered haram and should not be dished world, I think, Sir, gambling is about out for these welfare purposes, then so the oldest pastime in the world. Hon­ would also be the Government revenue ourable Members may be interested out of which I believe Honourable to know that there was a motion Members of this House and myself get moved by one of the P.M.l.P. Party our allowances every month. (Laughter). Members in the Lower House in In the States of Kelantan and Treng­ November last year asking that the ganu which are now ruled by the lottery be discontinued, and the mover P.M.l.P., I believe the Mentri Besar and of that motion said that he did it not the Assemblymen of the P.M.l.P. draw on the religious ground but on moral their salaries and allowances out of grounds. Now obviously the P.M.I.P. Government revenue into which are Party has changed its stand. paid money from sources which, accord· ing to their argument, are considered Sir, we all heard the long debate­ haram. I often wonder. There have very interesting and very exhaustive been many instances in Selangor, for debate-on this question of religion in example, of Committees going out for connection with the Lotteries, and there contribution for funds to build is a record number of Honourable masjids, sekolah ugama and so on, Members who took part in the debate. and they go and solicit donations I did avoid joining the issue because there were sufficient Pak2 Haji and from all and sundry. I believe it must religious experts. However, there was be the case in other States in Treng­ an interesting suggestion from the ganu and Kelantan where they have Honourable Member from the P.M.I.P., occasions to get donations from the who spoke earlier on, asking that public to build mosques and sekolah Government should be responsible for ugama. Now, will the P.M.I.P. say that, providing funds for those welfare pur­ when they go up for donations, do poses which have been met to some these people ask the donors whether extent from Lotteries Fund. I said that their money is haram or not. The donor is an interesting suggestion because, may be a bar towkay, may own a as the Minister responsible for social samsu distillery or it may be donated welfare, I would like to have more by anybody, Muslim or non-Muslim, 411 6 JULY 1960 412 and I am sure the Mosque Committee Honourable Members in this House. would not ask where the donor got the (Applause). money from. Question put, and agreed to. So, Sir, the arguments put forward Resolved, by the P.M.l.P. Members are, I am That in accordance with the provision of section (1) of the Social and Welfare Lot· afraid, very confusing and since this teries Board Ordinance, 1950, the said Ordi· has been debated to a greater extent nance be extended for a period of five years in the Lower House, I would not like to with effect from 11th December, 1960. take any more of the time of the Adjourned at 5.35 p.m.

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