-- - .' ; - ----~--r--~~------~--.: •. :'-,_.,c__----- - ' .. , ~; , Scholastic. Special Issue March I, 1974 Bruce Jay Friedman Sean Lucy Norman Mailer Francis J. O'Malley Notre Ernest Sandeen . Robert Siabey '. Dame T.C. Treanor' Diane Wakoski' Review Ronald Weber Thomas Werge . (­ . ·1: I ,; l .' i " J ., il .:.~ L --------~------------------.;----.;.;.,.~------..:.-'----------'---~-~~-----~----'---~------------ - 'r..- ------------- --- -------------- Notre Dame Review Francis J. O'Malley At Christmas 4 Norman Mailer (with David Young) An Interview 5 Sean Lucy Incident on a Rail Journey 10 (with Sean O'Riada) Liam O'Reilly II Late Sleep /I Ronald ~eber Seeing Signs 12 Bruce Jay Friedman An Interview 16 Thomas Werge Solzhenitsyn: His Book and 19 His Readers To the Reader: Diane Wakoski To Harry Lewis ... 22 Literature, from its earliest moments, Robert Siabey John Cheever: The Swimming 23 was intended to entertain, to distract,. and and His Readers to speak truly of the human conditIon .. Re­ Ernest Sandeen Posture 28 cently, much· of literature. has become Invitation 28 Undone, Doing 28 subject only to scholarship: Our purpose is T. C. Treanor Images and Shadows of 29 not to ignore the scholarship, but rather to Divine Things present literature and its scholarship to a .{ Sean Lucy Visitation 39 general audience. We wish to thank the Scholastic and its editor Kerry McNamara for. giving us this issue to give birth to the Editor-in-Chief, Francis J. O'Malley Notre Dame Review. Student Editors, Joseph Runde and John Wenke -The Editorial Board Editorial Board Carvel Collins Katherine Sullivan Edward Vasta Ernest Sandeen Richard Sullivan Ronald Weber Art Director, James Purvis Layout & Cover Design, Nan' Smith Acknowledgements Kip Anderson Thomas Furlong. John J. Niederman T. J. Clinton Professor John Garvick James F. Pauer Professor Donald Costello James Gresser John Phelan Janet Cullen . Karen Kolber Patrick Roach Jean deSmet. Mark Luppino Professor'J~mes Robinson . Professor Joseph Evans Eileen MacKrell George Stratton Ray Funk . Mrs. Connie Maher Gary Zebrun John Murphy Second-class postage paid at Notre Dame, Ind. 46556. The magazine is represented for national advertising by National Educational Advertising Services, 360 Lexington Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10017. Published fortnightly during the school year except during vacation and examination periods, the SCHOLASTIC' Scholastic is printed. at Ave Maria Press, Notre Dame, Ind. 46556. The subscription rate is $5.00 Volume 115, No. 10 March I, 1974 a year and back numbers are available from the SCHOLASTIC. Please address all manu­ Notre Dame, Indiana scripts to the SCHOLASTIC, Notre Dame, Ind. 46556. All unsolicited material becomes the Kerry S. McNamara, Editor property of the SCHOLASTIg'., .. ' copyright © 1974 Scholastic Vall rights reserved / none of the contents may be re­ produced without permission L 'r..- ------------- --- -------------- Notre Dame Review Francis J. O'Malley At Christmas 4 Norman Mailer (with David Young) An Interview 5 Sean Lucy Incident on a Rail Journey 10 (with Sean O'Riada) Liam O'Reilly II Late Sleep /I Ronald ~eber Seeing Signs 12 Bruce Jay Friedman An Interview 16 Thomas Werge Solzhenitsyn: His Book and 19 His Readers To the Reader: Diane Wakoski To Harry Lewis ... 22 Literature, from its earliest moments, Robert Siabey John Cheever: The Swimming 23 was intended to entertain, to distract,. and and His Readers to speak truly of the human conditIon .. Re­ Ernest Sandeen Posture 28 cently, much· of literature. has become Invitation 28 Undone, Doing 28 subject only to scholarship: Our purpose is T. C. Treanor Images and Shadows of 29 not to ignore the scholarship, but rather to Divine Things present literature and its scholarship to a .{ Sean Lucy Visitation 39 general audience. We wish to thank the Scholastic and its editor Kerry McNamara for. giving us this issue to give birth to the Editor-in-Chief, Francis J. O'Malley Notre Dame Review. Student Editors, Joseph Runde and John Wenke -The Editorial Board Editorial Board Carvel Collins Katherine Sullivan Edward Vasta Ernest Sandeen Richard Sullivan Ronald Weber Art Director, James Purvis Layout & Cover Design, Nan' Smith Acknowledgements Kip Anderson Thomas Furlong. John J. Niederman T. J. Clinton Professor John Garvick James F. Pauer Professor Donald Costello James Gresser John Phelan Janet Cullen . Karen Kolber Patrick Roach Jean deSmet. Mark Luppino Professor'J~mes Robinson . Professor Joseph Evans Eileen MacKrell George Stratton Ray Funk . Mrs. Connie Maher Gary Zebrun John Murphy Second-class postage paid at Notre Dame, Ind. 46556. The magazine is represented for national advertising by National Educational Advertising Services, 360 Lexington Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10017. Published fortnightly during the school year except during vacation and examination periods, the SCHOLASTIC' Scholastic is printed. at Ave Maria Press, Notre Dame, Ind. 46556. The subscription rate is $5.00 Volume 115, No. 10 March I, 1974 a year and back numbers are available from the SCHOLASTIC. Please address all manu­ Notre Dame, Indiana scripts to the SCHOLASTIC, Notre Dame, Ind. 46556. All unsolicited material becomes the Kerry S. McNamara, Editor property of the SCHOLASTIg'., .. ' copyright © 1974 Scholastic Vall rights reserved / none of the contents may be re­ produced without permission L - A Section of An Interview Between Norman ,Mailer and, David Young .Francis J. O'Malley David Young is a painter who lives in New York gathering. It's· a Saturday night party and it's City)'and is a long time friend of Norman Mailer.· profoundly religious and a: tremendous amount of leg pulling being put on as music, dancirig, this Interviewer: Well perhaps the best thing we can do eroticism, this healing-it's an all around bag. And as artists now is to persist in making that notion it's the onfyexperience I ever had directly that I available. For example, a lot of the movements, would ever consider profoundly religious and ecological, et cetera, are spreading and are, I think, extremely human. It made me think back on the positive, but there seems to be alack of a coherent nearest thing we had to it years ago in places like At Christmas .. vision going on when you think of all the different the Land Ho Bar in Orleans. And it seems to me ' groups which are trying to make the different . that what's happening here now, with God is Dead changes. I think that lack of vision is fundamentally arid all such stuff is that there has been an a religious one,' I mean the lack of the religious incredible decline, co-incidentally or not, an Let the Christbrand burst! . notion. The whole notion of God has become incredible decline in feeling itself.' And I say that in suspect; I think partly because so many of the terms of ordinary people-to-people contact, not in a: Let the Christbrand blazon! . church systems have degenerated into bureaucra­ broad sense. But that's what I've noticed in, for Dartle whiteliunder the hearth-fire, cies. The Catholic church is very guilty of that, example, bars, which used to be I can remember Unwind the wind, turn the thunderer, even though they do it with great flourish and 10 years ago much warmer places to be, much pomp, et cetera: . , . more fun, much more,social intercourse going on And never, never thinning, ' 'and a lot of gaiety, and there would be fights and Forfend fear.-, , Mailer: Except that the Catholic church has these all of that sort of thing too but more vitality. Seems Flare up smartly; fix, flex, bless, inspire, enterprising ministries. The Berrigan brothers with to me now. '. " Instar the time, sear the sorcerer, " . their enormous influence on young Catholics. While there are 'many more radicals among the . Mailer: Yes: Ten years ago, particularly in New And never, never sparing, Protestants, such intensity of thinking among York, one could feel we were moving toward an Save all year. .. ' devout Catholics has to be impressive because the exciting world because we knew more about a good Let the Christbrandburst! Church is so structured. Since Catholicism is also life than we saw 'in our society. And we were closer to magic thahProtestantism, profound beginning to have a glimmer of the possible success . Let the Christbrand blazon! changes'in thepower':structure of the Catholic of that life. I think the magic of the Kennedy years church 'are exciting. Given the· Church's extraor­ was precisely the feeling that, yes, we're getting dinary ability to pass down all the rapids of history; into an interesting world where the government is it may end by leading people out of ecological going to be not that far away from us. We're going disasters: '. ' to be working in the same direction. We used to use , .:> words like expanding, and all too many spoke Interviewer: Of course the worst thing about, (badly) of getting into human possibilities; or enjoying the richness of an interesting rehitionship. ", Protestantism is it eliminated magic. ' So on. I think we were getting rid of that old dead' Mailer: Yes, it eliminated magic. traditional Fifties baggage, absolutely dead. What's happened of course is that as this liberation'began . Interviewer: Church in the 15th Century was a to develop, the drug revolution came along and pretty lively place. It was a place where everybody completely accelerated us out of any natural orbit I, connected. All deals were made all kinds of-it was between man and his government, and flung us into a big',catch-all. And there was the center of life and some extraordinary place where nothing is related I celebration involve a: Iri present day times you find to anything else any more. Not by measure, morals, I that in voodoo in Haiti-no:t voodoo in any of the" or proportion. So nobody has the faintest mU,mbojumbo, but a voodoo sessiqn.