E PL UR UM IB N U U S Congressional Record United States th of America PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE 104 CONGRESS, FIRST SESSION

Vol. 141 WASHINGTON, SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 18, 1995 No. 184 House of Representatives

The House met at 9 a.m. and was PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- called to order by the Speaker pro tem- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Will the tleman from Florida [Mr. DIAZ- pore [Mr. GOODLATTE]. gentleman from New York [Mr. SOLO- BALART] is recognized for 1 hour. f MON] come forward and lead the House Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, for in the Pledge of Allegiance. the purposes of debate only, I yield the DESIGNATION OF THE SPEAKER Mr. SOLOMON led the Pledge of Alle- customary 30 minutes to the gen- PRO TEMPORE giance as follows: tleman from California [Mr. BEILEN- SON], pending which I yield myself such The SPEAKER pro tempore laid be- I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Repub- time as I may consume. During consid- fore the House the following commu- lic for which it stands, one nation under God, eration of this resolution, all time nication from the Speaker: indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. yielded is for the purposes of debate WASHINGTON, DC, f only. November 18, 1995. Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 276 I hereby designate the Honorable BOB ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER waives clause 4(b) of rule XI, which re- GOODLATTE to act as Speaker pro tempore on PRO TEMPORE quires a two-thirds vote to consider a this day. rule on the same day it is reported NEWT GINGRICH, The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Speaker of the House of Representatives. Chair announces that 1-minutes will be from the Rules Committee, against the entertained at a later time. same-day consideration of resolutions f f reported from the Committee on Rules, on or before the legislative day of No- PRAYER WAIVING PROVISIONS OF CLAUSE vember 23, 1995. The Chaplain, Rev. James David 4(b), RULE XI, AGAINST CONSID- This resolution covers special rules Ford, D.D., offered the following pray- ERATION OF CERTAIN RESOLU- that provide for the consideration or er: TIONS REPORTED FROM COM- disposition of the bill, H.R. 2491, pro- O gracious God, You have made the MITTEE ON RULES viding for reconciliation pursuant to heavens and the Earth and given to Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, by section 105 of the concurrent resolution Your people the miracles of life. Now it direction of the Committee on Rules, I on the budget for fiscal year 1996, any is our prayer that we will use the gifts call up House Resolution 276 and ask amendment, any conference report, or You have freely given by translating for its immediate consideration. any amendment reported in disagree- our good words and noble intent into The Clerk read the resolution, as fol- ment from a conference report thereon; actions that promote justice and re- lows: and, to the consideration or disposition spect one for another. We admit that it Resolved, That the requirement of clause of any measure making general appro- is easy to talk about Your blessings 4(b) of rule XI for a two-thirds vote to con- priations for the fiscal year ending and yet we can neglect to see those sider a report from the Committee on Rules September 30, 1996. blessings in another’s work. Open our on the same day it is presented to the House Mr. Speaker, as mentioned when the eyes to see the truth as best we can, is waived with respect to any resolution re- House first considered the two-thirds open our ears to truly hear, and open ported on or before the legislative day of No- waiver for the continuing appropria- vember 23, 1995, providing for consideration tions resolution which the House our hands in the spirit of shared com- or disposition of any of the following meas- mitment and mutual concern. In Your ures: passed on Thursday, November 16, name, we pray. Amen. (1) The bill (H.R. 2491) to provide for rec- House Resolution 276 is an expedited procedure to facilitate the same-day f onciliation pursuant to section 105 of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fis- consideration of urgent legislative THE JOURNAL cal year 1996, any amendment thereto, any matters. Facilitating the passage of ap- conference report thereon, or any amend- propriations bills, and adopting a bal- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The ment reported in disagreement from a con- ance budget plan that will eliminate Chair has examined the Journal of the ference thereon. the Federal deficit in 7 years, are clear- last day’s proceedings and announces (2) Any bill making general appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1996, ly urgent fiscal, legislative matters. to the House his approval thereof. any amendment thereto, any conference re- The sooner we can pass the individual Pursuant to clause 1, rule I, the Jour- port thereon, or any amendment reported in spending bills, the sooner Federal em- nal stands approved. disagreement from a conference thereon. ployees can be assured of a paycheck.

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H 13299 H 13300 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 The House has now passed all 13 req- violation of our rules, that are for the 48 Members among my friends from the uisite appropriations bills, and 4 have most part causing intractable disagree- other side, the only thing it says is now been signed into law: Military con- ments between Republican members of that we are committed to balancing struction, agriculture, energy and the other body and Republican mem- the budget. The President wants it to water, and transportation. Soon, the bers of the House and that are delaying be a goal to balance the budget. President will have the opportunity to the enactment of most of the outstand- Now, I ask my colleagues, what does sign legislation to fund Treasury, post- ing appropriations measures. that say? Is it not obvious that if the al, executive branch, and legislative If we cannot pass each of the remain- wiggle-worm you want is that it is a branch employees, and I am hopeful ing appropriations bills, then we en- goal rather than a commitment, you that excessive partisanship will not courage our colleagues on the other are clearly saying you do not want to keep him from signing this important side of the aisle to seriously consider balance the budget. That is what it legislation. passing a continuing appropriations boils down to. It is crystal-clear. While spending priorities are con- measure that is clean and straight- Mr. Speaker, I appreciate deeply Mr. tinuing to be negotiated with both the forward. Panetta making it more and more Senate and the President, it is impor- We think that is the right thing to clear on a daily basis, so that the tant that the House be able to act im- do; that is the only way we can treat American people can see that the real mediately on the floor to consider any the citizens of this country and Federal difference here between the White rule that deals with balancing the Fed- employees fairly. We should not be vot- House and the Congress is a genuine, eral budget and with any measure pro- ing on conference agreements that this absolute unqualified commitment to viding funds for expired appropriations. rule will help us consider more quickly bringing prosperity, to bringing some- Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of without having enough time to evalu- thing that our children deserve, to my time. ate the contents as thoroughly as we bringing a balanced budget to the Unit- Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I should. ed States of America for the first time yield myself such time as I may Mr. Speaker, we repeat we are not in 25 years. consume, and I thank the gentleman opposing this rule because we remain Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I from Florida, [Mr. DIAZ-BALART], for more than ready to expedite in a re- yield such time as he may consume to yielding the customary 30 minutes of sponsible manner the business of the the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. debate time to me. House. OBEY], the distinguished ranking mem- Mr. Speaker, we do not object to this Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of ber of the Committee on Appropria- resolution. my time. tions. When we were in the majority, our Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I had not in- Republican colleagues generally sup- yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from tended at this early hour to begin re- ported our requests to waive the two- Ohio [Mr. HOKE], my distinguished col- hashing this stuff again, but given the thirds rule requirement. We obviously league. comments of the last speaker, I think I want to support any reasonable request Mr. HOKE. Mr. Speaker, I thank the need to make a few observations. to expedite the business of the House. gentleman for yielding time to me. I Mr. Speaker, we are here on Satur- We are, however, fully aware of the particularly thank the distinguished day working on a weekend at the same circumstances that require the House gentleman from Florida [Mr. DIAZ- time most Government workers are to approve this waiver of the rule that BALART], who also is a distinguished being prevented from working on week- requires a two-thirds vote to consider a graduate of a great law school in Cleve- days because we have an impasse over rule on the same day it is reported. land, OH, Case Western. the continuing resolution. The con- We really ought not to be in this sit- Mr. Speaker, I think that The Wash- tinuing resolution is necessitated by uation, waiving standing rules of the ington Post tells it all this morning: the fact that this Congress has not House to wrap up major items on the ‘‘Talks on 7-year Balanced Budget done its work. legislative agenda in this rushed man- ‘Goal’ Collapse.’’ According to the re- We still have over 85 percent of the ner. port, the President’s chief of staff, appropriations part of the Federal This particular resolution permits Leon Panetta, told reporters, ‘‘We have budget which has not yet been ap- the House to take up the reconciliation made what I believe is a reasonable proved by the Congress; and because of bill as sent back to us by the Senate. It offer,’’ and their offer was, instead of that, we have to have a resolution con- can certainly come as no surprise that using the words ‘‘firm commitment,’’ tinuing the financing of the Govern- several provisions, many of them very which was what was in the continuing ment. Our friends on the Republican controversial, were removed from the resolution, the President, the White side of the aisle, led by Mr. GINGRICH, reconciliation conference report by the House, will agree to using the word are using the fact that Congress has Senate because of the Byrd rule. ‘‘goal.’’ not done its work to try to spill other This resolution will enable us to take Mr. Panetta goes on to say: issues into the continuing resolution; up later today the rule and the Senate The purpose was to get people back to and they want to get a debate going be- amendment to the House-passed rec- work and present Members of Congress with fore we even sit down in conference on onciliation bill. We do not understand an approach that preserves everyone’s op- the budget, and they want to get a de- why the conferees agreed to a con- tions. bate going dealing with the issues in- ference report they knew would fall It could not possibly be more clear. volved in the 7-year budget. apart because of the Byrd rule, forcing The one option, the only option that is Now, it just seems to me that there is us to meet today to clean up after unacceptable is that we do not balance no useful purpose to be served by con- them. the budget in 7 years, and apparently tinuing that linkage. The gentleman The resolution also permits the that is the one single option that the from Ohio [Mr. HOKE] just said that be- House to take up any general appro- White House wants to maintain. They cause the President is objecting to the priations measure as well. We Demo- want it to be a goal; we want it to be language that the Speaker wanted with crats support moving as many of them a firm commitment. Nothing about respect to 7 years, that somehow that as possible so that the Government can how we get there, nothing about means the President does not want to return to full operations. whether we raise taxes or lower taxes, balance the budget. We do not think it is inaccurate to what we do with Medicare part B pre- say that any problems the Democrats miums, what we do with Medicare part b 0915 have with the bills are not the reasons A trust funds, nothing about how we That is nonsense. Let’s simply stipu- they are stuck in conference, or in the spend the money, how we do not spend late facts. Senate, and have not been sent to the the money; none of that is in the con- The House, in dragging an extraneous President. tinuing resolution. issue into this discussion is saying that It is the very controversial and major The only thing that our continuing they want us to achieve a balanced policy matters that have been added to resolution says that was passed by this budget in 7 years using the economic appropriations bills by the majority, in Congress in a bipartisan manner with assumptions of the Congressional November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13301 Budget Office. Period. And they want when that bill comes to the floor, we for instance, than we think would be the White House to sign on to that will face the question, well, if you are justifiable. If those tax cuts are small- statement. That is impossible for the going to do it for certain aspects of the er you can speed up the time frame for White House to do, because that is not Social Security Administration or cer- balancing the budget. That is simple the White House position. It is per- tain aspects of the Veterans’ Adminis- logic. I do not see why we need to get fectly reasonable for the Congress to tration, why should you not also allow involved in a long, protracted debate state its own position in a continuing people to continue their work if by that keeps 800,000 Government workers resolution. It is not reasonable for the doing so they can keep national parks out of their offices just because we Congress to expect that the President open so that people do not have to want to continue on this resolution to sign on to a statement that he does not spend a good deal of money to go on va- pretend that everybody is in agreement believe in. cation only to find out the money has when they are not. Not on this resolu- The issue is very simple. The Presi- been wasted because of a silly spat in tion but on the other resolution that at dent has indicated that he would like the Congress? Why should we not also this point is in the other body. to see a balanced budget, but the time- expand it to provide for the continu- Mr. Speaker, I would simply urge our table is going to be determined frankly ation of all work necessary in the Jus- friends on the other side of the aisle to by the size of the tax cut. Obviously if tice Department to go after drug deal- simply quit belaboring the point, allow you are going to need $200 billion extra ers? Why should we not also allow the the process to continue. I will have a on the tax side, it is going to take you Government to function in cases number of motions that I will be mak- longer to reach a budget balance than where, for instance, in the case of Gal- ing today on subsequent legislation be- if you are going to have zero dollars on laudet University, which is about to fore this House to try to expand the the tax side. have to close because of this impasse, number of activities which are allowed The President also wants to remain why should we not allow them to con- to proceed. To me, when I look at the flexible in terms of the timetable be- tinue to operate? Why should we not next bill coming, my impression from cause that timetable is also deter- allow all elderly nutrition activities at reading that bill is that somebody had mined to some extent by the way you the Department of Health and Human decided, ‘‘Well, let’s move on the three measure the budget, whether the Con- Services to continue? Why should we items that we are taking the most po- gressional Budget Office measures it or not allow all civil rights and anti- litical heat on so that we can continue somebody else. So basically the admin- discrimination law enforcement activi- to hold everybody else hostage.’’ istration has wanted to go into these ties to continue? They may be convenient politically negotiations with no preconditions, There are a lot of other legitimate but it is not the right thing to do on and the majority party in this House areas of activity. I have had a number the merits, it is not practical thing to seeks to impose preconditions before of Republican Members of the House do. We have no objection to expanding the negotiations ever start. talk to me about concerns that they or to opening up of Government for But you have two illegitimate ap- have about some of their constituents those functions, but we think we ought proaches in my view. You first of all who cannot get passports and who have to go beyond that and stop this institu- have an extraneous issue of what the an immediate family crunch on their tional temper tantrum. timetable is going to be on another bill hands. But this is not going to allow Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I being debated in the process when all that activity to continue. yield myself such time as I may we need to do to solve this problem is It just seems to me that the previous consume. to pass a simple, clean continuing reso- speaker mentioned in a condemnatory It is precisely because the President lution, and then in addition to that tone the offer that Mr. Panetta made and Congress are known to occasion- they want to drag in yet another extra- last night. Let me simply read the lan- ally have a disagreement that the neous condition demanding that the guage that Mr. Panetta offered. President when he submitted his budg- President go into the negotiations with It says, ‘‘The goal of negotiations is et recommended that the Congres- the same set of assumptions held by to enact a budget agreement that bal- sional Budget Office be utilized to the Speaker of the House. ances the budget in 7 years under Con- That simply is not factual to expect gressional Budget Office economic as- score his budget. All we are saying is the President to buy those assump- sumptions, or in a timeframe and that within the next 7 years when we tions, and it seems to me the height of under economic assumptions agreed to balance the budget, we should use the unreasonableness to drag the entire by the negotiators.’’ Congressional Budget Office. That is country through this debate simply be- I have a suggestion. If you do not the entity, because of its seriousness cause the Speaker wants the President like that as a goal, or as a commit- and its history and its competence, the to say: ‘‘I agree with every assumption ment, put into the language whatever President recommended be used when held by Mr. GINGRICH.’’ The fact is he your commitment is and allow the he came before us here to submit his does not, and whatever continuing res- President to put into the language own budgets. olution that is passed ought to simply whatever his commitment is, so that Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he admit that. It should not get into the the two sides are simply stating the may consume to the gentleman from issue at all, but if it insist, it ought to facts, without attacking each other, New York [Mr. SOLOMON], the distin- simply admit that there are differences without trying to score points against guished chairman of the Committee on between the parties as we go into nego- each other. Just simply you state how Rules. tiations. you see the framing of the negotia- Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, I thank I also want to take just a moment to tions, and have the White House state the gentleman for yielding me time. express my concern about what this how it sees the framing of the negotia- I do not know how we got off on to rule is going to do when coupled with tions. Instead of debating each other, this. What we are considering here is a the next rule coming out of the Com- simply state the facts and move on. rule that is going to let us work today mittee on Rules. We are being told that What would be wrong with that? All and expedite the work of the House. We there will be put on suspension one bill the President is trying to convey is all agree that we want to get the Gov- which allows the continuation of three that the two sides are known to have ernment back running at 100 percent. additional functions in the Govern- an occasional disagreement on these is- We may disagree on how big we want ment, but evidently it has been deter- sues, and I myself must say that I the Government to be in the future. mined that no other functions in the think you will find a lot of Members on That does not have anything to do with Government ought to be allowed to this side of the aisle who are interested this debate today. This rule if it is continue. in a 7-year timetable to balance the adopted is going to allow this Congress It seems to be that the very fact that budget provided that you are not pro- today to be able to take up bills like that bill is going to be brought before viding huge tax cuts, especially to the Veterans and HUD appropriation us demonstrates that the majority higher income people which force you bill that is terribly important that we party recognizes that it is illegitimate to make deeper cuts in education, force get that to the President, the DC ap- to be holding up the Government. And you to make deeper cuts in Medicaid, propriations, that is very important, H 13302 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 especially to people around the Wash- Government will operate while we de- dent would say, ‘‘Let’s take care of ington, DC, area; the Interior appro- bate. Medicare.’’ That is my concern too. priations bill, the Commerce-Justice- But I want to tell you something b 0930 State bill. here on the House floor, the American But the point I want to make is that The problem we have, as all of us people are confused. They are confused the House has been moving legislation. know, is that for the last eight or nine that people are not back to work and I just had a conversation with my good words as to whether or not we agree on they are confused because they know, friend, the gentleman from Maryland a particular formulation to get to a and what bothers me is we will not bal- [Mr. HOYER], saying that the President balanced budget, which is not per se af- ance the budget with the trade num- will sign the Treasury-Post Office ap- fected by the operations of Govern- bers we have at record levels. Our bal- propriation bill and the legislative bill ment, obviously the operations of Gov- ance of payments is negative, and each just as soon as we get it there. I think ernment and the size will be affected year continues to be negative, and we he is going to sign all of these bills. by the balanced budget, but not the have a tax code that is destroying Let me tell you what we have done so other way around. I do not know growth. There is nothing in here that far. Right now signed into law we have whether we can get there. I would hope changes that tax code, and I voted for the military construction bill. That is during today that we all work very the tax cut. I think we are overtaxed, already signed by the President. We diligently to try to come up with some overregulated. We are chasing jobs have the Agriculture appropriation bill sort of formula that will get the Gov- away, ladies and gentlemen. signed by the President. We have En- ernment back to work on Monday Let me say this: If the difference that ergy and Water appropriations signed while we debate the differences that we is keeping 800,000 workers home, shut- by the President. We have Transpor- have, and I appreciate the gentleman’s ting down our government, is the dif- tation appropriations, signed by the comments. I hope that is the direction ference between goals and commit- President. That takes in a good hunk we can go. ment, then beam me up here, Mr. of the entire Government. Plus we have Mr. SOLOMON. As the gentleman Speaker, we have failed. cleared for the President the legisla- knows, I have a great deal of respect I am recommending here today that tive branch, which I just mentioned. for our Federal employees. You know the Democrats and Republicans and That will be on is way to the President there are a lot of good employees out the White House get together in a as soon as he says he is going to sign it. there, and they work for less than the small room, turn up the heat, chili, The Treasury-Post Office, that takes in private sector. They are conscientious, baked beans hard-boiled eggs, close the a great hunk of the Government. The and I do not like to see people up here doors and nobody leave the room until President evidently has said he is going nitpicking them. they work out the differences with to sign that. We are going to send that I personally want to abolish certain some words. over there this morning. The national departments and shrink the size of the All the Democrats, all the Repub- security defense bill. Terribly impor- Government, but again we have to keep licans make all of these campaign tant. That bill is ready to go and will that Government functioning and with promises. I did not even vote for the probably go this morning. the good employees that we do have promises you make, but damn it, if you here. have a commitment when you are run- You can go right down the line. On Again, I just hope we can move this ning, you should have a commitment the Veterans and HUD bill, as soon as legislation. As soon as we adopt this once you are elected, and both parties I get a quorum of the Committee on rule, we take up the second one. We should get on with the commitment to Rules, we are going to go upstairs to will go right upstairs and we will get our Government. the Committee on Rules, and I am the VA–HUD bill out here so we can get Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I going to put out a rule bringing that to the Government back working. yield 3 minutes to the distinguished the floor as soon as we possibly can. We Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I new Member, the gentleman from Ari- are doing everything we can to be coop- yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from zona [Mr. HAYWORTH]. erative. But when I hear my good Ohio [Mr. TRAFICANT]. Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Speaker, I friend, the gentleman from Wisconsin Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, I am thank my colleague from Ohio who pre- BEY], take the well and kind of [Mr. O going to support the rule. ceded me here in the well because I stir things up again, let us today try to I would just like to make a few state- think he refocused the real issue here. cooperate and do the business of the ments here. I did not vote for a con- I listened with great interest to the House and get the Government back to stitutional amendment to balance the distinguished ranking member on the work. We can do it if we put aside this budget, nor did I vote for the Repub- minority side from appropriations partisan bickering. lican plan on reconciliation in the when he offered the following con- Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, will the budget, 7 years. I did vote for the con- struct. He said, if I can remember his gentleman yield? tinuing resolution that says the Presi- words accurately, that what was going Mr. SOLOMON. I yield to the gen- dent and the leaders of the Congress sit on here was an exercise essentially to tleman from Maryland. down and, in the time frame of 7 years get the President of the United States Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I thank with no mandates placed on how they to agree with the goal of the Speaker. the gentleman for his comments, and I reach that, to go ahead and balanced With all due respect to my good friend think he is correct. If we put aside this budget. from Wisconsin, I am simply asking, partisan bickering, we could in fact Every American wants a balanced and I think the majority of the Mem- move forward. My friend knows we do budget. I do, too. Let us tell it like it bers of this House are simply asking, is have differences. He and I are good is here today. The deficit is exactly for the President to finally come to friends and we differ on issues. Both what has been stated in the paper. The agreement with himself. sides of the aisle differ on issues. What Congress says we commit to a 7-year The words are here from the State of we are trying to do is move this for- budget. The White House is now saying the Union Address, February 17, 1993, ward. our goal is 7 years or a mutually agree- the President’s first State of the Union One of the frustrations I have, as the able time frame that these negotiators message, which I watched as a private gentleman knows, is that you are abso- would reach. citizen. Quoting the President now, ‘‘I lutely correct when you represent that Let us get on with it. I have never will point out that the Congressional there may be a difference in the size of heard of one President in the last 20 Budget Office was normally more con- Government, but there is not a dif- years that ran for office who did not servative about what was going to hap- ference in the fact that the size that we make a commitment to balancing the pen and closer to right than previous agree on should continue to operate ef- budget. Now, the President made a Presidents have been. I did this so we fectively and efficiently. That could be commitment in the campaign for 5 could argue about priorities with the accomplished, of course, by what we years. When I voted for that CR, it did same set of numbers.’’ call a simple CR; that is, simply saying not say to the President how and what The President Clinton of 1993 stated at such level as can be agreed upon he must do. I had confidence the Presi- it clearly. The President Clinton of 1995 November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13303 takes a different view, and as my good nothing. Then he came back earlier The fact is, as the gentleman knows, friend from Wisconsin pointed out this year and said that he might want that most of the appropriation bills when he disagreed with the President to balance the budget in 10 years. Then have not been sent on to the President. even committing to the notion of a bal- he came down to 7. Then he went back As the gentleman also knows, there are anced budget, in the new incarnation to 9. And now we finally have him fold- substantial differences. As a matter of from the President, over 10 years, he ing and coming back to 7 years. fact, there were substantial differences said words to the effect, if you do not Now he says he wants to use OMB in your own party with reference to the agree with President Clinton wait numbers, numbers that he himself Interior bill, which was recommitted around, his position is bound to criticized harshly 2 years ago. with many votes from your side of the change. I respect my good friend from So let us go ahead and pass this rule, aisle. Wisconsin for that observation as well. get on with the business of the day, get Although we are going to move So let our friends from the minority this Government started back up, but ahead, and I am not opposing this rule join with us in the majority again to do it in a way that will ensure finan- because I think we want to move renew our commitment to these honest cial sanity for future generations. ahead, everybody here knows there are numbers given us by the Congressional Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I substantive differences on the VA-HUD Budget Office, commit to the goal and yield 2 minutes to the distinguished bill. There are substantive differences the reality of a balanced budget within new Member, the gentleman from on the Commerce-State-Justice, both 7 years. Maine [Mr. LONGLEY]. of which, in my opinion, will lead to Mr. LONGLEY. Mr. Speaker, this is In the meantime, while the disagree- the President’s rejecting them on pol- day 5 of the President’s decision to fur- ments continue, in the meantime, as icy grounds. lough nonessential Federal employees. we work to get past this impasse, let us The fact of the matter is you want to I was watching the debate in my of- work today where we can make change, make your point, which is a political fice this morning, and I have to confess where we can restore the rightful job that at least there is one form of message point on the 7-year balanced responsibilities and the activities of amusement that is still open in the budget. I understand that. But the fact the Federal Government; therefore, let city of Washington, and that is listen- of the matter is that sending messages, us move, let us move to say ‘‘yes’’ to ing to the convoluted explanations of which is what you are doing, because, the rule, and ‘‘yes’’ to the legislation the minority party as to why the Presi- in my opinion, the CR for which I at hand as we move in a reasonable, ra- dent does not need to balance the budg- voted, as the gentleman probably tional manner to restrain, yes, but also et. knows, the last page, the 16th page, to restore the essential functions of I would remind everyone that in his was a message page. It had no legal im- government. campaign in 1992, he said that he was pact on either the Congress or the Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I going to balance the Federal budget in President. Ultimately, it was a mes- yield 2 minutes to the distinguished 5 years. We are now in the third year of sage page trying to get him to sign on gentleman from Florida [Mr. his term, and, very frankly, I think a 7- to something that he may then say, SCARBOROUGH]. year plan is a reasonable alternative. ‘‘Well, that is not exactly what I Mr. SCARBOROUGH. Mr. Speaker, I We are giving him 4 more years to do meant,’’ and you would make the polit- rise in support of this rule and simply the job he said he could do than he has ical point. want to clarify even more some state- asked for. I think that that is an im- Mr. LONGLEY. If the gentleman will ments made by the gentleman from Ar- portant issue. yield, why did he not just agree to it? izona regarding what the President It is also important that we under- Mr. HOYER. For exactly the reason I said in 1993. stand that after this morning we are just stated, I tell the gentleman from The President said that those CBO now going to have two choices on the Maine. You are trying to send a mes- numbers were the most accurate num- President’s desk. One is a clean con- sage and put the President in a box bers because they had been the most tinuing resolution. All that it asks for which has nothing relating to the bal- conservative. But the fact of the mat- is a 7-year commitment to a balanced anced budget. The question, the fact of ter is, even for the 12 years prior to the budget scored fairly by the Congres- the matter is, the balanced budget and President’s 1933 statements, those CBO sional Budget Office. And No. 2 is, if he bringing to balance within 7 years numbers will be too optimistic, and we does not want to do the heavy lifting dealt with a bill that we passed yester- have seen administrations on both and make the tough decisions that day and that I understand will be com- sides of the aisle, Republican adminis- need to be made, we have also pre- ing back from the Senate, the rec- trations and Democratic administra- sented him with a 7-year plan. onciliation bill. tions, use rosy scenarios that ended up Can we improve on it? You bet we b 0945 causing crushing Federal debt and a can improve on it. We can improve on crushing Federal deficit. it if we could get an administration to That is the bill, as the gentleman We have got to get serious on this, work with us to make the tough deci- must clearly know, on which we will and we need to hold the President sions we need to make. debate this issue as to how to balance down. I have 25,000 Federal employees Mr. Speaker, I have one word for the the budget, when to balance it, the in my district. There is nobody who House of Representatives: Just balance time frame, and whether Medicare gets wants to see Federal employees go the budget. cut deeply while tax cuts for the back to work more than I do. Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I wealthiest Americans are put in place. But what is at stake here today and yield 7 minutes to the gentleman from I do not want to get into partisan de- throughout this next week is making Maryland [Mr. HOYER]. bate on those issues at this point in sure, when they go back, that we will Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I under- time, but it does not relate to the oper- finally have the President nailed down stand what the gentleman from Maine ations of Government on Monday, this to a framework and a commitment to just said, and we all know what is coming week. The gentleman must balance the budget. As the ranking going on. The President is trying to know that. member from Wisconsin said earlier make his point, and the Republicans Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Chairman, will this year, if you do not agree with what are trying to make their point. the gentleman yield? the President is saying, just wait The gentleman from Maine, who is Mr. HOYER. I yield to the gentleman around a couple weeks, he is sure to new here but, I am convinced, knows from New York. change his mind again. Well we cannot full well that if all the appropriation Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, let me afford that anymore. This is a Presi- bills had been sent down and we had re- just say to the gentleman, you know, it dent who campaigned to balance the solved the differences between the could be political somewhat. But let budget in 5 years. It is a President who President and the House, which there me just tell the gentleman something. earlier this year, as the Washington are substantial differences, then we It does have bearing on these appro- Post said this morning, sent a budget would not need a continuing resolution priation bills. You know my feeling. I to the Senate that had no end to defi- and Government would not be shut have been one of the leaders in biting cits in sight. It was voted down 99 to down. the bullet and introducing balanced H 13304 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 budgets for years here that really were Democratic process, and we will work the two things that we were debating hard to take. It was hard to take back it out within the context of reconcili- were President Clinton and Speaker home, because this cuts my constitu- ation bills. In point of fact, the appro- GINGRICH. We seem to be in the dialog ents $850 billion. priation bills, which you are passing, talking by each other. I know my Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming are within your 602(b)’s. They are with- friend from Maryland, Mr. HOYER, said my time, the point is in 1985 we passed, in the framework of spending that you that he was committed to the 7-year what was it, Gramm-Rudman, and put have allotted. budget, but he also said that he did not us on this glidepath to the balanced All of those bills, he will sign them like our priorities. I can understand budget. You know what happened. By within the 602(b)’s. Within those that. That is why we have two political 1990, it had disappeared. 602(b)’s, we have differences. The Amer- parties, and that is why we have dif- We cannot let that happen again. ican public has differences. They say in ferences of opinion even within the par- Each one of these appropriations bills, polls they are a third for one person, ties. and let me just digress for a minute, Powell, a third for Clinton, and about Unfortunately, what has happened the reason it happened was because in 30 percent for DOLE in a three-way. here is I think that there have been too each succeeding year, we did not follow Now Powell has withdraw. But the many ultimatums thrown out that through, and those appropriation bills, American public has differences. They have prevented people from bargaining. as the gentleman knows, did not follow understand that. In their families they Unfortunately, the Speaker and the the balanced budget. have to resolve differences. What they President have become the issue. There Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, if the do not do in their families is shut off is no question, and we all know that gentleman will continue to yield, my the heat, lock the house door and not President Clinton made a commitment point is this is not politics. We do not let any of the family come in. They for a 5-year budget when he ran for want this to happen like it did before. continue operations while they are try- President. He now has gone, and we We have to stay on that glidepath. The ing to resolve their differences. have all seen the TV advertisement President, in good faith, needs to just What you are trying to do, I suggest that is on, that has him saying every- affirm that he and we are going to to the gentleman from Maine, is in ef- thing from 5 to 10 years. But one thing work in that direction. That is all we fect lock the door, shut off the heat, is in all of those statements and one are asking. and force the President to come to an thing that is in the thought of I think Mr. LONGLEY. Mr. Speaker, if the agreement that he does not agree with. every Member in this House: We have gentleman will yield, a very quick In the past we have passed CR’s got to go forward for a balanced budg- comment. Whether we balance the which were relatively clean and that et. budget on a 3-year, 5-year, 7-year, 10- ultimately the President and the Con- Now, if the President had gotten on year or never basis makes a fundamen- gress agreed upon, because we never to the balanced budget, 7-year, and tal difference in the way this Chamber passed a CR over the President’s veto, adopted that 2-years ago, we would will approach the budget. The question not once. Not once. only have 5 years left from today. But is we have to have some type of agree- Did the gentleman hear me? The with our 7 years, that would have given ment on the fundamental principal Democratic House and Senate never him 9 years to balance the budget by that the Federal Government will live passed a CR over President Reagan or putting our 7 years on top of the 2 within its limits. We think the 7-year President Bush’s veto. Not once, so years that he has already been in of- limit is the way to do it. Wouldn’t it be that every agreement to carry out the fice. better if we could work together to- operations of Government was done Unfortunately, the Congress and the ward that objective? with an agreement ultimately between President have not moved forward. As Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming the President and the House and the everyone talks a good talk, no one is my time, the gentleman is clearly cor- Senate. walking the good walk. We have got to rect. However, let me comment on the Mr. LONGLEY. Mr. Speaker, if the go forward to a balanced budget. comments of the chairman of the Com- gentleman would yield further, I would Now, where do we go from here? The mittee on Rules, who is my friend and just add, for the benefit of the gentle- gentleman from Maryland [Mr. HOYER] for whom I have a great deal of respect. man’s information, that during the says we are sending messages. Yes, we Essentially with Gramm-Rudman, both Reagan years I was not a Republican, I are sending messages. We know the bill I and II, the gentleman knows that, the was not a Democrat, I was an Inde- we are going to send over to the Presi- Committee on Appropriations was pendent. My presence in this body dent is going to be vetoed. But let us within 602(b) requirements every year. should not be interpreted as in any way have the President send a message That was not the reason we did not get sanctioning what took place in this back. The President says that he is to balance under Gramm-Rudman, pe- Congress during the 1980’s. willing to talk 7 years, but he is not riod. The Committee on Appropriations When the President on Wednesday willing to commit to 7 years, so we in fact in every one of those years, evening fundamentally rescinded any have a fundamental disagreement as to maybe save one, was appropriating less commitment whatsoever to a 7-year where you can get an honest count. than Presidents Reagan and Bush balanced budget, he has irrevocably It is our position over here that what asked for. changed the dynamic of our discussions President Clinton agreed to early on of Having said that, I believe very with the administration. using the Congressional Budget Office strongly we have to get to balance. I Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming is where we want to be and is where we voted for an amendment to do so, I my time, as my friend saw on the front want to stay, because we feel that is voted for budgets to do so, and I voted page of the Washington Post, ‘‘Clinton where we are going to get our honest for the coalition budget which gets drops objection to ending deficit in 7 count. there faster than your alternative. It years.’’ In fact, he reached agreement, But, fine, instead of arguing over the does not do some of the policy things as I understand it, essentially with the scorekeeper, instead of arguing over all that you think are right to do, that I Senate yesterday on language that of these things and personalities, let think are wrong to do. We are going to would have gotten us off of this dis- the President send us a message back. argue about that. But I say again to agreement. Let him give us a 7-year budget, and my friend from Maine, the continuing Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I let him use his scorekeepers, and we resolution—this is not the continuing yield 5 minutes to the distinguished will have our scorekeepers score it. If resolution, we are debating a rule—but and experienced gentleman from Flor- we are anywhere close and if the thing the continuing resolution, we are de- ida [Mr. SHAW]. can possibly be reconciled with the bating a rule—but the continuing reso- Mr. SHAW. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate House budget, then, fine, let us nego- lution is not the document that gets getting this time. tiate that. you to balance, period. Mr. Speaker, in listening to the de- Let us get down to negotiating the Now, there is a difference between bate and looking at the votes and the specifics and quit throwing spears back the President and the Congress. We comments that have been made over and forth. The American people are fed will have to work that out in the the last week, one would think that up with it, it is time for this to stop, November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13305 and we have got to move the agenda not, this will ultimately be incor- they see us saying, yes, we want to get and move the debate to the facts and porated in the reconciliation bill, any to a balanced budget. The President get on with the Government. agreement? now says that he is prepared to nego- Mr. HOYER. Mr. Chairman, will the Mr. SHAW. Eventually, it will have tiate to get there in 7 years. I think gentleman yield? to be translated into that. that is correct. Others differ, but I Mr. SHAW. I yield to the gentleman Mr. HOYER. That is what we ought think that is correct. from Maryland. to debate it on, and not hold hostage The fact of the matter is, though, Mr. HOYER. One of the pieces of good the operations of Government at what- whatever CR we pass will not impact news I think for the American public is ever size, as the chairman says, we on it; it will be the reconciliation bill I think on the floor right now we have agreed on. which has not yet passed this body. I people, if we sat in a room we could re- Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I understand it is coming back from the solve this frankly in about 10 minutes. yield such time as he may consume to Senate today. Mr. SHAW. Could we sell it to either the gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. It will be on that bill that we will one of our caucuses? That is the ques- SABO], the distinguished ranking mem- have to have this very substantive, tion. ber of the Committee on the Budget. sometimes contentious, but very im- Mr. HOYER. I appreciate the gen- Mr. SABO. Mr. Speaker, I thank the portant debate, because the gentleman tleman yielding further. Let me read gentleman for yielding time. is correct, those assumptions, as the three lines that were the offer of the Mr. Speaker, I would just like to chairman in exile of the Committee on President of the United States in sub- compliment the gentleman from Mary- the Budget points out, make a great stitution of the language that was in land [Mr. HOYER] for his thoughtful deal of difference. the CR, because I think it accomplishes statement. We are in this incredible So I appreciate the comments of the what the gentleman from Florida just situation where we seem to be arguing gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. SABO]. articulated. how you get to the table, and it is fair- I appreciate the work he has done. I would hope that we could get this CR The goal of the negotiations is to enact a ly simple: Go. The reality is that we budget agreement that balances the budget need to pass a continuing resolution behind us and get Government operat- in 7 years under Congressional Budget Of- because Congress has not passed appro- ing and then come to grips with a very fice’s economic assumptions, or in a time- priation bills. important, and I agree with the Speak- frame and under economic assumptions Let us get that taken care of and er, historic debate on how we get the agreed to by the negotiators. pass the CR. The majority, to their finances of this country under control Your side did not like the last credit, passed a bill reflecting their and in order, priorities with which I phrase, because it did not bind the view of how the budget should be bal- know the chairman and I agree, but with which everybody in the body may President to the CBO assumptions. As anced yesterday. I think it is a bad bill. not agree. the gentleman knows, he believes the I hope and know the President will Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman CBO assumptions are not correct. veto it. Then you have to negotiate. There are many private sector eco- for yielding. Let us hope we do not end up quarrel- Mr. SABO. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming nomic analysts who also believe they ing whether it is a square or round are more conservative in terms of my time, I would just make this obser- table. Let us just get people there. Go. vation. I happen to think we can bal- growth and other statistics. Some of this discussion of Having said that, this language says ance the budget in 7 years. I do not scorekeeping, people have to exercise want to balance it in 7 years under the 7 years, CBO as a basis, and it does good judgment. The ultimate score- leave, yes, some options for the nego- Republican budget. I suspect they do keeper is Congress and the people who not want to balance it in 7 years in a tiators to go beyond that. Clearly, it is negotiate. CBO is advisory to us. I plan that I would draft. not exactly what you wanted. But I think we should follow their judgment. So there are conditions by all of us. suggest to my friend, it was offered in But, if they are wrong, then we should So we must sit down and try to work good faith to try to get to where your look at the facts. out a very, very difficult, but very im- side believes we ought to go, and that The reality is in lots of programs, portant problem. is 7 years. I agree with that. how you structure them depends on Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I Mr. SHAW. Mr. Speaker, reclaiming what demographics are projected. CBO yield 2 minutes to the distinguished my time for a moment, that is just the may be right, OMB may be right, some- gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. point. That is exactly the point that I one else may be right. The goal of ne- FOX]. am making, is that we cannot agree on gotiators should be to be as accurate as Mr. FOX of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speak- the scorekeeper. We want what is what possible. er, we are now going to have this morn- we believe to be an honest scorekeeper, We tend to say we have this judg- ing as a part of the rule the segment of which is CBO. Fine, we cannot agree to ment on different predictors. They are the debate right now that deals with that. all honest, hard-working folks, making the rule to allow us to have legislation So that is what I am talking about. their best judgment. Let us hear from to be considered the same day that it Let him go ahead and send us his bal- them, figure out what is accurate, and comes out from the Committee on anced budget, and let us try to nego- structure programs appropriately. Rules. tiate it, and then we will have it Amazingly, I look at revenue projec- What we have today before us, Mr. scored. He will use his scorekeeper; we tions for 1996, and CBO and OMB come Speaker, is the Balanced Budget Act of will use ours. If we are going to get out to the exact dollar, using different 1995, which has been slightly changed into an agreement on the CR, we feel assumptions, different methodology. by the Senate for the House to con- very strongly we need to use the CBO This is all crazy stuff we are talking sider. It is my belief that we should figures, because the gentleman knows about here. Let us get our work done. adopt that legislation for all Ameri- and I know, and we have been around Let us get on with negotiations so we cans. The benefits of a balanced budget here about the same length of time, if can solve the problem. amendment will accrue to all Ameri- you adjust that interest rate or project cans in decreased mortgage payments, b an interest rate a quarter of a point, an 1100 decreased car payments, decreased tui- eighth of a point, all of a sudden all of I think that is what the gentleman tions and, hopefully, even decreases of the economic assumptions change. This from Maryland [Mr. HOYER] is saying. health care costs. is what we call smoke and mirrors. You Mr. HOYER. Mr. Chairman, will the Mr. Speaker, every other govern- can develop an economic assumption so gentleman yield? ment, whether it be school district, that anything would balance, even our Mr. SABO. I yield to the gentleman township, borough, city, county, all current level of spending, if you come from Maryland. balance their budgets, as well as fami- up with the right economic assump- Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I thank lies balance their budgets. tions. the gentleman for his comments. The original bill had Medicare re- Mr. HOYER. If the gentleman will Mr. Speaker, the frustration, I think, forms in it. We sent back to the Presi- yield further, we do both agree, do we that the American public has is that dent legislation which removed that. In H 13306 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 my opinion, and I think the opinion of maybe we will talk about it, to decide Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I most Members of this House, that this question. yield the remainder of our time to the should have been adopted by the Presi- Mr. TIAHRT. Mr. Speaker, I thank gentleman from Illinois [Mr. WELLER], dent. If we have the gentleman from the gentleman from Florida for yield- a dynamic and distinguished new Mem- Minnesota [Mr. SABO] oversee the ing time to me. ber. President with the 7-year commitment, I think the American public is a lit- (Mr. WELLER asked and was given I am sure we could adopt that, and we tle tired of the Government chasing its permission to revise and extend his re- could have the President join us in it. tail, and I think we have started debate marks.) The balanced budget amendment a little early, but I think that is really Mr. WELLER. Mr. Speaker, Members should be something unanimous. There what it is going to be about over the of the House, I stand in support of this is no one in this Chamber who is for an next 7 years as we come to struggle rule, because this rule is exactly why unbalanced budget. So I hope we will with what is going to be inside that we are here. We are here because the follow the guidance of the gentleman budget in 7 years. American people sent us to do what from Florida [Mr. SHAW] when he says, It is that one phrase that the gen- every American family does, and that let us get the President to the table, tleman from Maryland brought up, I is to live within our means and to bal- let us get it resolved, and for the bene- think, that bothers the American pub- ance the budget. Republicans and a fit of all Americans, let us adopt the lic so much. The options to go beyond growing number of moderate and con- balanced budget amendment. 7 years. I know that the freshman class servative Democrats agree, it is time Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I that I am a member of is very hard and to balance the budget. yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from fast on 7 years. Who stands in the way? The lim- California [Mr. COX], the distinguished How many votes have come up in the ousine liberals, the tax-and-spend chairman of the Republican Policy last 20 years about the balanced budg- Democrats oppose a plan to balance the Committee. et? How many times has this body budget. Mr. COX of California. Mr. Speaker, voted on a balanced budget? Many, We have a plan to balance the budget as has been pointed out several times many times. The real issue is, can we in a responsible fashion over the next 7 in the course of this debate, the Presi- do it? Do we have the discipline? Ev- years. dent came to the well of this House and erybody wants to say, yes, we do. By the way, we increase spending on told us in his 1993 message that it was Well, let us put it in writing. Let us Medicare by 54 percent, $355 billion time to stop relying on White House live by it. Let us negotiate the terms, over the next 7 years. We reform wel- rosy estimates, and it was time to rely as the gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. fare and emphasize work; we provide on the trustworthy estimates of the SABO] said. Let us negotiate the terms tax relief to working families. Congressional Budget Office. He got a of what is going to happen inside that Mr. Speaker, the telephone calls that standing ovation from the Democratic balanced budget. But let us make a I am receiving in my offices are nine- side of the aisle. We are asking him to hard and fast rule, 7 years, let us draw to-one in favor of balancing the budget keep that promise. a line and say, we can do it, and let us and holding firm. Mike and Kay It has been pointed out by some, by just argue about what is inside. I think Shostic of Manhattan, IL, they say, one of our colleagues in debate yester- that is what the American public hang tough. They have three kids who day that, well, that was when the Con- wants, and I think that is certainly are counting on the Congress to bal- gressional Budget Office was on our what the freshman class wants is a 7- ance the budget. Democratic payroll. However, we have year plan to balance the budget. I say to my colleagues, it is time to to keep in mind that the Balanced Mr. DIAZ-BLART. Mr. Speaker, I get the job done. Let us balance the Budget Act that we are going to be yield 1 minute to the gentleman from budget; let us work together. Ohio [Mr. BOEHNER], the distinguished considering, one that we already voted Mr. DIAZ-BALART. Mr. Speaker, I chairman of the Republican con- on yesterday and that we hope comes yield back the balance of my time, and ference. back to us from the Senate, is based on I move the previous question on the Mr. BOEHNER. Good morning to all the estimates of the Congressional resolution. my colleagues on this great Saturday Budget Office, made under the direc- The previous question was ordered. tion of Robert Reischauer, who was the morning, and I see the debate about The resolution was agreed to. Democrats’ appointee to head the CBO. balancing the budget continues to go A motion to reconsider was laid on June O’Neill did not come on to run on. the table. the CBO until afterward. Yesterday, I think that the House These are the Democratic staff esti- and the Senate both proved to the f mates at the CBO. All that happened in American people that we can, in fact, MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE the August update under June O’Neill balance the budget in 7 years. We did was to move those estimates slightly it. We brought the documents here, we A message from the Senate by Mr. closer to what the White House had, so laid them out, we had a great debate, Laundregan, one of its clerks, an- the White House is not going to be and they passed on both Houses. nounced that the Senate agrees to the complaining about that. This issue over CBO numbers and report of the committee of further con- There is a videotape that some of my OMB numbers, this is not just about ference on the disagreeing votes of the colleagues may have seen that collects numbers, it is about the fact that the two Houses on the amendment of the all of President Clinton’s statements President wants to spend $875 billion Senate to the bill (H.R. 2126) ‘‘An Act on how long it should take to balance more over the next 7 years than what making appropriations for the Depart- the budget, back to back to back to we want to spend. ment of Defense for the fiscal year end- back, all of his statements, starting Mr. Speaker, if we can balance the ing September 30, 1996, and for other with his appearance on the ‘‘Larry budget in 7 years, which we proved yes- purposes.’’. King Show’’ when he said, I am going terday, it is all about whether we are The message also announced that the to present a plan to the American peo- going to spend more of our children’s Senate insists upon its amendments to ple to balance the budget in 5 years. inheritance, whether we are going to the bill (H.R. 1058) ‘‘An Act to reform Then he says, 7 years is the right pe- snatch more of the American dream Federal securities litigation, and for riod of time. Then 9 years, most re- away from our children, or whether we other purposes,’’ disagreed to by the cently 10 years, and then back between are going to stick to real numbers, cer- House, agrees to the conference asked 7 and 9. Then he said 10 years and pre- tified by CBO; or whether we are going by the House on the disagreeing votes sented a plan to balance the budget in to do the same thing the politicians in of the two Houses thereon, and ap- 10 years that, in fact, according to this town have done for 30 years. And points Mr. D’AMATO, Mr. GRAMM, Mr. CBO, did not. that is, just kind of mush the numbers BENNETT, Mr. GRAMS, Mr. DOMENICI, It is time for the President, who together, make them work, and sell Mr. SARBANES, Mr. DODD, Mr. KERRY, most recently now has said he will veto out our children. and Mr. BRYAN to be the conferees on any 7-year budget, then even later said, We are not going to do that. the part of the Senate. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13307 PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION means that the U.S. Government will I do not see, for instance, why Gal- OF MOTIONS TO SUSPEND THE be open for business again as it should laudet University, why that university RULES be. for those kids, deaf kids, why they It is a good rule, it is a good idea, it Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, by direc- should be forced to close. But we have is just a shame it took so long; the tion of the Committee on Rules, I call a letter indicating that they will if we American people expect more from up H. Res. 275 and ask for its imme- do not let them out of the hostage box. their Congress and they are right. diate consideration. I do not see why we should not make The 84,000 American seniors and certain that all research at the Na- H. RES. 2175 workers should have been able to apply tional Cancer Institute is allowed to Resolved, That it shall be in order at any for Social Security and disability bene- proceed. I do not see why we should not time on the legislative day of Saturday, No- fits; 600,000 American seniors should make certain that the civilians can be vember 18, 1995, for the Speaker to entertain have gotten answers from the 1–800 So- motions that the House suspend the rules: brought back to work in the Pentagon Provided, That the object of any motion to cial Security help line; 23,000 American so that all of the military checks can suspend the rules is announced from the veterans should have been able to be provided on the 29th. There is some House floor at least one hour prior to its apply for benefits. concern they will not be able to do that consideration. The Speaker, or his designee This should not have happened and I unless those civilian employees are shall consult with the minority leader or his am glad President Clinton has taken brought back. I do not see why we designee on any matter designated for con- steps to stop it. should not open up our national parks sideration under this resolution. Yesterday, by Executive order, Presi- so that American families who have The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- dent Clinton reopened Federal offices spent a good deal of money on vacation providing services to veterans, Social tleman from Colorado [Mr. MCINNIS] is plans do not have that money wasted Security recipients, and Medicare re- recognized for 1 hour. because of this silly argument on the cipients. Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, for the floor of the Congress of the United He made sure that this ridiculous purpose of debate only, I yield the cus- States. Government shutdown did not hurt any tomary 30 minutes to the gentleman So on the next bill that will be com- more than it absolutely had to and to- from Massachusetts [Mr. MOAKLEY], ing as a result of this rule, we will be day’s rule will allow congressional Re- pending which I yield myself such time trying to expand those functions of publicans to tell President Clinton he as I may consume. During the consider- Government, or open up those func- had a good idea. ation of this resolution, all time yield- tions of Government again. But I must Given the partisan rancor around ed is for the purpose of debate only. say that I will be asking for a ‘‘no’’ here these days, it is nice to see we Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 275 is vote on the previous question on the still agree on some things. a straightforward resolution. The pro- rule because I believe that what this posed rule merely provides that it shall I urge my colleagues to support this rule. rule ought to provide is for the con- be in order, any time today, for the tinuation of another full blown CR Speaker to entertain motions that the b 1015 which will allow all of the functions of House suspend the rules. The Commit- Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I reserve Government to continue while the Con- tee on Rules agreed to an amendment the balance of my time. gress and the President go to the table offered by Mr. BEILENSON, which pro- Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield on the budget. vides that the matters to be considered 5 minutes to the gentleman from Wis- Again, I repeat, we have two separate under suspension will be announced consin [Mr. OBEY], the ranking minor- problems here. We have a difference be- from the House floor at least 1 hour ity member of the Committee on Ap- tween the President and the majority prior to consideration, and that the propriations. in the Congress on what the outcome of Speaker or his designee will consult Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, this is such those budget negotiations ought to be with the minority leader or his des- a silly situation, it is very difficult to on the reconciliation bill that passed ignee on any suspension considered know where to start. But let simply yesterday. The way to resolve that is under this resolution. House Resolu- say that what this rule is going to do is to resolve it not to continue to talk tion 275 was reported out of the Com- to make it possible for the House lead- about how you are going to resolve it, mittee on Rules by unanimous voice ership to bring up an additional con- but simply go to the table and work vote. Simply put, this resolution, will tinuing resolution today, and my un- out the disagreements. But the reason allow for a special suspension of the derstanding of what is going to happen we need a continuing resolution is an rules day for consideration of possible is that that continuing resolution will entirely separate reason, and that is selective continuing resolutions to allow three additional functions of because this Congress has only passed keep vital offices open. Government to continue that are now at this point 4 of the 13 appropriation By passing this resolution, we are at- closed down. bills necessary to keep the Government tempting to speed up the legislative It will expand the ability of the So- open. process so that we can reopen the Gov- cial Security Administration to meet Mr. Panetta, the President’s Chief of ernment as soon as possible while keep- and process its work, it will expand the Staff, has just asked me by telephone ing our commitment to the American ability of the folks running the Medi- to ask the Congress to send down to people to balance the Federal budget care Program to do the same thing; the White House the Legislative appro- within 7 years. and it will expand the ability of the priations bill and the Treasury-Postal Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of Veterans’ Administration folks to do bill. They will sign them. That will my time. the same thing. There is nothing wrong make 6 bills out of the 13 that will have Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I thank with any of those three actions, and I crossed the congressional finish line. my colleague from Colorado for yield- would be surprised if we do not have a But we still have the Interior bill, the ing me the customary half hour and I unanimous vote in support of them in Foreign Operations bill, the Veterans- yield myself such time as I may the House. HUD bill, the Defense bill, the District consume. But the problem is that those are not of Columbia bill, the Commerce- Mr. Speaker, I am happy to see this the only three functions which ought Justice-State, and the Labor-HHS bill rule come to the floor today. to be released from their hostage situa- that have not gotten through the con- This rule permits the majority to tion. So when we get to the bill which gressional process. call up suspension measures with prop- this rule will allow to come forward, a The President is not holding those er notice. I assume they will use this to bill which is going to be unamenable up. The Congress is. In most instances, call up a targeted continuing resolu- because it is on the Suspension Cal- it is because there is an argument be- tion. I hope it will also be used to call endar, I will be asking to make a num- tween Republican Members in the up a governmentwide continuing reso- ber of unanimous-consent requests to House and Republican Members in the lution that the President will sign. try to expand the number of Govern- Senate, who control both bodies, about This rule means that Federal em- ment functions which will be allowed what the content of those bills ought ployees can finally get back to work; it to open. to be. H 13308 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 So I would suggest the simple way is Mr. HUTCHINSON. I was responding struggling to stay off assistance are for us to simply defeat the previous to Mr. MOAKLEY’s comment that the not going to have that earned income question on the rule, go back and get President has resolved the situation. tax credit so that they can continue to another rule, go back and send to us He has not. This is necessary. stay working. another continuing resolution on the Mr. OBEY. But you said, Mr. Speak- Mr. HAYWORTH. Will the gentleman House floor so that we can open up all er, taking back my time, that we were yield for a question about working peo- of Government so that we do not con- continuing to try to hold these people ple? tinue to look like a bunch of silly chil- hostage. We want you to let them go. Mr. BALDACCI. No, I will not. Thank dren who are tying to dictate what the Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 you very much. other’s negotiating position ought to seconds to the gentleman from Arkan- As we talk about moving people off be. sas [Mr. HUTCHINSON]. welfare to work, we are taking away Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, all the Mr. HUTCHINSON. Mr. Speaker, I the tools from people to go to work. comments the preceding speaker made would say again that if veterans are When you talk about educational op- over 5 minutes, I can summarize it in being held hostage, it is not this Con- portunities for the young people, when less than a sentence. That is, we could gress that is doing it. We have checked you are talking about the future and have avoided it all if the President of with legal experts who say this is a dis- the computers and cyberspace, you are the United States would agree to bal- puted point as to whether or not the cutting student financial aid. There are ance the budget of this country in 7 President has the authority to order 30,000 students in my State alone that years. this as a veteran entitlement and have depend upon guaranteed student finan- With that, I yield 1 minute to the the checks go out on time. He has cial aid so that they can go—— gentleman from Arkansas [Mr. HUTCH- opted not to do that. We are, therefore, Mr. HAYWORTH. Will the gentleman INSON]. going to solve the problem with this yield for a question on financial aid? Mr. HUTCHINSON. Mr. Speaker, I CR so that there is no question those Mr. BALDACCI. No. But if the thank the gentleman for yielding me checks will go out in a timely manner. Speaker would tell the gentleman to the time. Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield stop interrupting me, I would appre- Mr. Speaker, I know we are in a 5 minutes to the gentleman from Maine ciate it. Mr. Speaker, could I have order in hurry, but I heard the gentleman from [Mr. BALDACCI]. the House, please? Massachusetts [Mr. MOAKLEY] say that Mr. BALDACCI. Mr. Speaker, I know The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. in effect, all we are doing in this CR is that a lot of discussion has gone on in GOODLATTE). The question is correct. to ratify what the President has al- regards to balancing the budget. Every- The House will be in order. ready done. In fact, that is not the body is for balancing the budget. No- The gentleman from Maine is enti- case. The President issued an Execu- body is arguing that point. But what tled to be heard. tive order, and I am particularly con- the American people really need to do The gentleman from Maine may pro- cerned in the area of the veterans, but is ask my colleagues on the other side, ceed. all his Executive order did was to au- ‘‘Well, how are you balancing the budg- Mr. BALDACCI. Mr. Speaker, there thorize the processing of new claims. et?’’ are 30,000 young people in my State He could not send out the checks, he You are cutting Medicare by $270 bil- that their only opportunity is a college argued. lion over 7 years. You are cutting stu- education. That is their only dream in We have checked with the Veterans’ dent financial aid by almost $10 billion the world, is to have that college edu- Administration. They argue that with- over 7 years. You are cutting the Med- cation. But my colleagues on the other out this CR they cannot send out the icaid Program by $182 billion over 7 side are going to make it more difficult veterans benefit checks. It is wrong for years. And you are providing tax and more expensive for them to go to us to hold them hostage. It does not breaks to people who are earning over college. matter how much more should be done $100,000; they are going to get a check or what arguments we might make. back for $8,000 and people who are mak- b 1030 This needs to be done on behalf of the ing under $30,000 will get a check back It is not going to be 4 years to go to veterans of this Nation. for $127. college, it is going to be 5 and 6 because It is in fact a legal dispute as to That is how you are balancing the they are going to have to work while whether or not the President has the budget. they are in college. That is what we authority as a veterans entitlement to I supported a balanced budget amend- need to do. That is what we need to ad- send those checks out without us doing ment that the gentleman from West dress.’’ a CR. That is a disputed point. Had I Virginia [Mr. WISE] had offered. I had So if the President of the United been the President, I would have opted supported Mr. STENHOLM’s balanced States is going to be blackmailed into in favor of the veteran and said, ‘‘Send budget in 7 years. I also supported the supporting a continuing resolution those checks out, let’s do it.’’ In fact Coalition substitute budget for a bal- that supports the scheme of balancing the Veterans’ Administration has said, ance in 7 years. But there were no tax the budget on the backs of working ‘‘No, we aren’t going to do that with- breaks in that proposal. people, on the backs of seniors, in my out Congress authorizing it.’’ There- What the American people need to State alone there are people who are fore, we have come back with this CR, know beyond the glitz of a balanced struggling for their prescription drugs. which is very much needed for the vet- budget, for or against, is, ‘‘Well, how The seniors in my State have to cut erans of our country. are you proposing to do it?’’ the prescription drugs up because they Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield I submit to the members of the cannot afford to take it all at one time. 30 second to the gentleman from Wis- American public that when you ask my What we are doing is we are cutting consin [Mr. OBEY]. colleagues on the other side, that is Medicaid because in my State that pro- Mr. OBEY. Let me simply respond to when you notice the questions and the vides for the prescription drug pro- the previous speaker by saying nobody responses will not be as loud as the gram. So when you are hearing people objects to opening those functions. You rhetoric on ‘‘I support a balanced budg- on this floor talking about a balanced are going to see virtually every single et’’—— budget, I support a balanced budget, one of us for the opening of those func- Mr. HAYWORTH. Will the gentleman but I do not support it the way the ma- tions. We want you to open more of yield? jority wants to accomplish it. them. We want you to let all of the Mr. BALDACCI. Because what they That is what the President of the Government workers go. We do not are proposing to do is they are propos- United States have been talking about. want you to continue to hold any hos- ing to increase taxes on working peo- It hurts the seniors. It hurts the chil- tages. ple. dren. I hurts the people who are strug- Mr. HUTCHINSON. Mr. Speaker, will We have an earned income tax credit gling. That is what this fight is about. the gentleman yield? program where people who are the This is not about government as usual. Mr. OBEY. I yield to the gentleman waiters and waitresses and the cooks My colleagues on the other side are from Arkansas. and dishwashers who are working and trying to roll back the environmental November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13309 standards. They are trying to roll back aisle who are committed, committed, ing Americans have to make $70,000 a the educational opportunities. And not as a goal but committed to bal- year or less. I find it very curious. they are trying to roll back the stand- ancing this budget in a 7-year period of Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield ards in nursing homes to protect our time. 21⁄2 minutes to the gentlewoman from seniors. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the Connecticut [Ms. DELAURO]. I would submit to you that the Presi- gentleman from Arizona [Mr. Ms. DELAURO. Mr. Speaker, let us be dent and the majority on this side are HAYWORTH]. clear about what is going on here. First trying to move forward. They are try- Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Speaker, I of all, I would say to the prior speaker ing to go forward into the future in thank my good friend, the gentleman with regard to earned income tax cred- providing a bright future for all of our from Colorado. it, the earned income credit has been young people and all of our seniors be- PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY eliminated for families without chil- cause we are not any stronger at all Mr. BALDACCI. Mr. Speaker, par- dren. Now, if you do not call that a cut unless we all move forward together. liamentary inquiry. for those folks, I do not know what you That is what this country was founded The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- call a cut. So it has been eliminated, on, and those are the responsibilities tleman will suspend. eliminated, done, finished, for families that we assumed when we swore to the For what purpose does the gentleman who do not have children. There is a oath as we were new Members of Con- from Maine rise? cut in the earned income tax credit. gress. To allegiance to the country of Mr. BALDACCI. Parliamentary in- Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, will the the United States of America. quiry, Mr. Speaker. gentlewoman yield? Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- myself such time as I may consume. Ms. DELAURO. I yield to the gen- tleman will state his parliamentary in- tleman from Maryland. Mr. Speaker, I would certainly like quiry. the preceding speaker, he spoke for 5 Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, the gen- Mr. BALDACCI. Mr. Speaker, I had tleman from Arizona says it is not a minutes to go back to the mircophone. thought the gentleman had asked me I would be happy to yield him 5 seconds cut. Then how come in their budget questions and was going to provide 5 they count money from the EITC to- to say to the American people that he seconds for me to respond. has a balanced budget plan that will ward balancing the budget? Is that The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- Washington-speak reform? balance the budget in 7 years without tleman does not state a proper par- Ms. DELAURO. Just one more sham. raising taxes on the American people. liamentary inquiry. I would also like the gentleman, on Let me tell you what this is about. It Mr. BALDACCI. My parliamentary his own time, to come back up to the is not about a balanced budget. That is inquiry is, if questions are posed to me, American people while he talks about not what the issue is about today. It is do I have an opportunity to respond to the 30,000 young people in his State, about holding the President of the those? what about the Federal debt on those United States hostage to a set of Re- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- young people, what about the deficit publican budget assumptions which say tleman from Colorado has control of this country is facing, what about the that what we ought to do is to cut $270 the time. If he chooses not to yield, he $30 million an hour that this Govern- billion in Medicare, throw senior citi- does not need to do so. zens in this country in disarray and ment spends more than it brings in, Mr. BALDACCI. Did you yield me provide devastating cuts, increase their spends $30 million more? time to respond? Let me ask the gentleman, what premiums, and deny them their choice The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- about the child born today who faces of doctors. That is what they want to tleman will suspend. $180,000 on their lifetime earnings just The Chair recognizes the gentleman do. They want to cut Medicaid, which paying interest on the Federal debt? allows nursing home coverage. That is from Arizona [Mr. HAYWORTH]. When is the gentleman going to help Mr. HAYWORTH. Mr. Speaker, I one issue, one area that this is about, this country get out of this fiscal in- would just like to make a few state- and holding the President hostage. sanity? One-seventh of the Federal ments because I asked for time when The President is right. The President Government’s budget goes to pay inter- someone else controlled it, and he was is absolutely right in saying ‘‘no’’ to est on the debt. So it is easy, very easy. not willing to take on a couple of ques- $270 billion in Medicare cuts, ‘‘no’’ no Mr. BALDACCI. Mr. Speaker, will tions. to the slashing of education benefits the gentleman yield? Is the gentleman One of the preceding speakers talked for our young people. going to yield to me? about an antipathy, an animus toward I do not know how all of you got to Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I ask for school. I went to school with student order in the House. letting the American people hang on to more of their hard-earned money. He loans. We are about to cut student The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- loans and deny working middle-class tleman is correct. The House will be in did not degree with the notion of tax cuts. He said this new majority was families in this country the oppor- order. The gentleman from Colorado tunity to send their kids to school. has the time and can decide whether or cutting the earned income tax credit for working Americans, for those lower They would like to hold the Presi- not to yield. dent hostage on those assumptions. Mr. BALDACCI. The gentleman income Americans. The President has said ‘‘no’’ to that. wanted to ask me a question. Mr. Speaker, as you know and as the He is right to do it. Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I ask for facts reflect, the earned income tax order in the House. credit funding increases by some 43 Mr. HEFNER. Mr. Speaker, will the The SPEAKER pro tempore. The percent. gentlewoman yield? House will be in order. The gentleman Then another speaker earlier said Ms. DELAURO I yield to the gen- from Maine will suspend. The gen- that this new majority was intent on tleman from North Carolina. tleman from Colorado has the time and cutting student loans. Mr. Speaker, the Mr. HEFNER. Mr. Speaker, I just does not choose to yield. record reflects that the new majority is wanted to ask a question, and you are Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, as we all offering a $6 billion increase over the talking about the tax cuts of $270 bil- know, this discussion today on the next 7 years in the student loan pro- lion. The gentleman here says that is House floor at this point in time is on gram. not a tax cut. But it is strange to me. the rule. The gentleman from Maine Mr. Speaker, it is obvious that the What is strange to me under CBO decided to utilize this time to go rhetoric needs to square with the facts, scoring, if you do not get the $270 bil- through a 5-minute problem of what we and when we talk about working peo- lion cuts in Medicare, you cannot have face in this country, but the biggest ple, it is interesting that the President the $240 billion in tax cuts. So you have problem that the gentleman from of the United States, in the State of got to take it from somebody to give it Maine failed to refer to is the deficit the Union Message, stood at this po- to somebody else regardless of who you that this country faces. dium and defined working Americans give it to. Whether they make $10,000 We have a lot of people, and, frankly, as those making under $70,000 a year. I or $15,000 or $20,000 or $30,000 a year, it we have people on both sides of the do not know by what barometer work- is a cut. H 13310 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 The bottom line is you are going to Medicaid, it is $89 billion today. It is Mr. Speaker, let me say, my col- cut $270 billion from the most vulner- growing to $127 billion. In this town, league from Virginia is right. There is able people in this country and you are that is a cut? Only here. a reason why we are in session today, going to give it away. If you were going Then, in Medicare, it is going from and there is a reason why the Govern- to do that, why not put it to the defi- $178 to $289 billion. That is not a cut. It ment is shut down, and it has a lot to cit? does not even come close to being a do with the new majority that my Ms. DELAURO. That is a tax break cut. That is a significant increase. freshman colleagues from the other for the wealthiest Americans in this Get a life. side of the aisle talk about. country. That is what this budget is Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield Here are the facts. First of all, this about. myself such time as I may consume. Congress, controlled by the Republican Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield Mr. Speaker, I think it is especially majority in both Houses, has only myself such time as I may consume, important because it seems to me that passed 4 of 13 appropriations bills. and before I yield time to my colleague during this discussion that we should Those are the bills that are supposed to down here, I would like to just say, be holding on the rule, that instead we be passed by October 1. Had those bills after hearing the preceding speaker, it are having some speakers up here who been passed, sent to the White House, is kind of, and I will give an example, are trying to scare the senior citizens, and signed into law, almost 2 months it is like going to your employer. Let who are trying to scare students out ago, we would not be doing this today. us say you make $5 an hour and you go there about their student loans, who We would not be talking about a shut- to your employer and you say, ‘‘I would are trying to scare the general popu- down of Government. Because this is like a pay raise to $10.’’ Your employer lation. I think the scariest thing we how Government is shut down. They says, ‘‘Well, I am going to raise you $2. have got out there is this Federal defi- are funded through the appropriations I am going to give a pay raise from $5 cit which is accumulating at a rate of bills. Second, the Republicans are holding to $7 an hour.’’ You say, ‘‘No. I want $30 million an hour. up the continuing resolution. In fact, $10.’’ He says, ‘‘No. I am going to get I think the people in America are the continuing resolution that was you to 7.’’ You go out to your other prepared to assist us in balancing this adopted by this House the other day employee and you say, ‘‘Hey, hey, I got budget. I think the people in America that we hear so much about, to my a pay cut of $3 an hour.’’ understand that we are not cutting programs but that we are reducing the knowledge, is still sitting in the Senate We are not cutting Medicare. We are and has not even been sent to the increasing Medicare. We are not cut- rate of growth there in programs. I think the people of America want President for him to either sign or veto ting student loans. We are increasing as he should choose. student loans. to preserve the economics of this coun- try for the next generation and the The fact is the reason why you can- In regard to that, I will give you spe- not pass a clean CR is because you cific numbers. I will give you every next generation. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the want to put a 7-year requirement. We reason in the book why this President can sit down, like my colleague from should agree to balance the budget in gentleman from Virginia [Mr. DAVIS]. Mr. DAVIS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Virginia said, and talk about whether this country within a 7-year period of we want to get to a 7-year balanced time, why this President should agree gentleman for yielding me this time. Mr. Speaker, let us get the Govern- budget. I voted for one. There are dif- to this budget. ferences. But it has nothing to do with ment working again. We are not hold- Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he the CR. What it has to do with is the ing the President hostage to tax cut or may consume to the gentleman from bill that this House adopted yesterday, Medicare cuts. Everything is on the Connecticut [Mr. SHAYS]. the reconciliation bill. table right now. Everything is on the Mr. SHAYS. Mr. Speaker, I thank the So why are you trying to put it in table. gentleman for yielding this time to me. this bill when you have adopted an- Medicare is not being cut. It goes up Mr. Speaker, I am listening to this other bill to do it? Is it because you are 6.3 percent annually, every year, under holding the Government hostage? Is it debate, and I cannot stand it. I cannot this proposal, from $4,800 a year per stand when I hear someone say we all because it is either your way or no beneficiary to $6,700 a year per bene- way? want to balance the budget. If we all ficiary over a 7-year period. wanted to balance the budget, the Yes, that is what it is. It has nothing But if you do not like our plan, let us to do with appropriations. So you are budget would be balanced. see your plan to balance the budget. If When Members say we all want to muddling up an appropriations bill you do not like the tax cuts, let us do with what should be in a reconciliation balance the budget and then talk about it without the tax cut, but let us work all the cuts they do not want and do bill. The facts are very, very clear. together. Work to balance the budget Now, there is a bipartisan way to get not talk where they are willing to in 7 years, and let us get the CBO to make reductions to slow the growth in there. Quite frankly, I do not think the score it. It has been nonpartisan for new Republican majority wants to do spending or to cut programs we do not year. it. They are in a bind. They are in a need, I cannot stand it. Let us send the Treasury-Postal ap- bind because they do not have the We are, in fact, allowing this budget propriations bill up the President and votes to pass their version. They do not to grow. When I heard Members on that get 100,000 more people working again. want any other version. They want a side say we are cutting EITC, the We can do this today. We can have version that cuts $270 billion out of earned income tax credit, it is going these people back to work by Monday. Medicare, $140 out of Medicaid, and from $19 to $25.5 billion. Only in this The District of Columbia Govern- gives a $245 billion tax cut. place when you spend more money do ment should not be shut down because Mr. Speaker, that is the problem and people call it a cut. of our inability to get this signed by that is why we are here. When they say we are cutting the the President. Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield school lunch program and it is going We ought to do something for them myself such time as I may consume. I from $6.3 to $7.8 billion, that is an in- and get them back with their own think the gentleman’s inquiries de- crease, not a cut. money. We should not hold them hos- serve some type of response. When I hear people particularly say tage. We ought to be ashamed of our- First of all, the question is why does we are cutting the student loan pro- selves. Let us pass this rule. Let us the continuing resolution have such an gram, it is going from $24.4 to $36 bil- move ahead. onerous requirement that the Presi- lion. It is growing 50 percent. The num- dent of the United States ought to ber of students in the next 5 years is b 1045 commit to balancing the budget of the growing from 6.7 million students to 8.4 Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield country within a 7-year period of time? million students. 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas I would suggest that the gentleman Only in this place, in this town, when [Mr. BENTSEN]. look at the TV commercial right now you spend 50 percent more, do they call Mr. BENTSEN. Mr. Speaker, I thank going on on at least five or eight dif- it a cut. the gentleman for yielding me time. ferent times. The President of this November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13311 country has on each of those different Mr. TIAHRT. I yield to the gen- Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 occasions given a commitment, com- tleman from Florida. minutes to the gentleman from Geor- mitment, to the American people to Mr. GIBBONS. Mr. Speaker, I heard gia [Mr. KINGSTON]. balance the budget. The first time was the gentleman complaining a while ago Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I when he was running for office, 5 years, about the tax increases of 1993. Would thank the gentleman from Colorado for then it went to 10 years, then back to you believe that none of those taxes yielding me time. 7 years, then to 8 years, and who knows are repealed in your tax bill this year. Mr. Speaker, you know, speech after what. Not a single one. I do not know what speech today from the Democrat Party All we are asking for is a commit- you are bellyaching about. has one central theme: Not that of bal- ment in writing. Talk is cheap. The Mr. TIAHRT. Mr. Speaker, reclaim- ancing the budget, but a theme of fear. American people want a commitment ing my time, what we are trying to do Scare your grandmother, scare your in writing from us, which we just gave here is relieve people who have chil- child, scare your fellow Democrat; that on the continuing resolution, and I say dren, relieve seniors, trying to get if this fear mongering does not work, proudly it was bipartisan; 48 Demo- them back to work, become actively we will not be reelected. crats joined us in that. We gave our involved. The President has failed to Now, let us examine the low income word in writing to this country we will balance the budget in 7 years. He has housing credit which they claim to be balance the budget in 7 years. even failed to agree to it. I support the champions of on behalf of the poor. I think it is fair, and I think it is ap- rule. What do they really use it for? propriate, that we ask the President of Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield Now, Democrats, I want you all to the United States to give his commit- 2 minutes to the gentleman from Indi- watch this, because I think it might ment in writing that this country will ana [Mr. ROEMER]. make you squirm a little bit in shame. have a budget balanced, not as a goal (Mr. ROEMER asked and was given Here is what you know you are doing but as a commitment, within a 7-year permission to revise and extend his re- on franked, taxpayer expenses. You period of time. marks.) send out this letter. And it says, and Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to my Mr. ROEMER. Mr. Speaker, we have this is shocking to me, ‘‘Put some friend, the gentleman from Kansas [Mr. been hearing roughly the same debate extra money in your pocket with the TIAHRT]. and good speeches now on both sides of earned income tax credit. You may be Mr. TIAHRT. Mr. Speaker, briefly I the aisle for about 11 months. Where eligible for as much as $2,258 a year would like to say that we have been are we today, on a Saturday, about 45 back. Come clean, your money.’’ doing our job here. We voted about 800 days after we should have had a budget Then it goes on, ‘‘Even if you do not times last year; the entire Congress for the American people? owe income taxes, you can get EIC.’’ Well, we have the government shut only voted 507 times. By trying to work I want to ask you Democrats, how down; we have hard working people with the President, we have been wast- many of you do not do this? Raise your throughout America that have saved ing our time, and that is why we have hand. not been successful in getting our ap- all year long that are going on vaca- Very few hands go up on the Demo- propriations bills through. tions, and the parks are closing; we crat side. That is very interesting to We see the confusion of the American have people working hard in my dis- me, very interesting. And I appreciate people when people talk about cuts in trict making the HMMWV, one of the the honesty of the fact that only three Medicare. When it goes from $4,800 to best Jeep vehicles for the military, and or four of you are not doing this. $6,700, that is not a cut. We are not bal- because the defense contracting agen- I would like us to say if we do restore ancing the budget on the backs of cies are shut down, they may start to the earned income tax credit, I would working people or senior citizens. That be laid off next week. love your side to take a pledge that is what the Clinton tax burden did in Mr. Speaker, I think the American you will not be sending out such a 1993. It increased taxes on the working people are sending us the message that shameless flyer on taxpayer expense. If people through the gas tax and the it is time for us to open the govern- you would take this pledge not to poor. That is who pays the most for gas ment up and to sit down and negotiate, abuse the franking privilege in this taxes. It increases taxes on Social Se- to negotiate, and not talk about Air way—— curity. Mr. President did that. Force One, and who played hearts for But what we are trying to do here is how long, or what person was told to Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. Mr. relieve some of that burden. We are get off what exit of Air Force One. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? trying to reduce taxes on working peo- Mr. Speaker, let us get off of person- Mr. KINGSTON. Well, I guess I got ple, on people with children, and we are alities and get on to negotiations. your attention, and I will be glad to also trying to preserve and protect Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from yield to the gentleman from Florida. Medicare. But the real fundamental Michigan [Mr. UPTON], a Republican Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. Are you issue here is can you balance the budg- from Michigan, and I have language to saying every Democrat sent that out? I et in 7 years. try to get this government moving in did not send it out. We are tired of the dance. The music the right direction again. We have 90 The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. is playing. Let us dance to the music. Republicans and Democrats that are GOODLATTE). The gentleman from Flor- The American public wants a balanced trying to move forward on a CR that ida will suspend. The gentleman from budget. I think this has been playing will give us some negotiating room to Georgia has the time. The gentleman on for such a long time we are going to get this government open again in a bi- will suspend. hear it over and over again. The real partisan way. Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, let me issue here is are you going to balance If the leadership will not talk to each repeat, I asked the Democrats who the budget in 7 years. other, maybe it takes the grassroots were not doing this to raise their Now, there has been talk about a lit- here to get government moving in the hands. Not many hands were raised. tle leverage, play room, maybe not right direction again. But I think the The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- quite 7 years. For 26 years we have American people are losing their pa- tleman from Georgia will suspend. The been hearing this about we cannot tience for a government and a Congress House will be in order. The House can quite do it this time, we are going to that will not work together to solve conduct its business with better deco- have to do it some other way, we are the Nation’s biggest problem, and that rum than that. The gentleman from going to have to wait awhile. The is trying to balance the budget. Georgia will suspend until the House is American people want us to draw a fi- Mr. Speaker, I encourage my col- in order. The gentleman from North nite line, say we are going to balance leagues to begin to work together in a Carolina will suspend until the House the budget, and 7 years is an optimal bipartisan way. If Mr. Rabin could have is in order. The gentleman from Geor- time. It is the time when we can do it talked to Mr. Arafat one year ago, I gia has the floor. with the least amount of discomfort. think that Republicans and Democrats The gentleman may proceed. Mr. GIBBONS. Mr. Speaker, will the can talk to each other in Washington, Mr. HEFNER. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? DC. gentleman yield? H 13312 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 Mr. KINGSTON. I will be glad to The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Mr. DURBIN. Mr. Speaker, will the yield for a quick question to the gen- GOODLATTE). The gentleman from Colo- gentleman yield? tleman from North Carolina. rado [Mr. MCINNIS] has 12 minutes re- Mr. MCINNIS. No; I will not. Mr. HEFNER. Well, you know, send- maining and the gentleman from Mas- Mr. DURBIN. Will the gentleman ing out these flyers, what you have sachusetts [Mr. MOAKLEY] has 111⁄2 min- yield? done, you have let the people who are utes remaining. Mr. MCINNIS. Regular order of the going to get the big tax breaks sit in Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I reserve House, Mr. Speaker. on the committee markups. Which is the balance of my time. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The the worse? Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield House will be in order. The gentleman Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, re- 2 minutes to the gentleman from Illi- from Colorado has the time, and he can claiming my time, my question was nois [Mr. DURBIN]. choose whether or not to yield. He does simple. How many of you all do this at Mr. DURBIN. Mr. Speaker, I was in not choose to yield. taxpayer expense, and how many of my office this morning watching the The gentleman is recognized. you will pledge to stop doing it? That proceedings of the House, and it Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, the sec- is all my question is. I think this is an brought to mind a movie which I liked ond thing I would ask the preceding abuse of the franking privilege. You very much, called ‘‘Groundhog Day’’ speaker is to amend his bill so that it can read that in the CONGRESSIONAL with Bill Murray. Every time the clock includes the President of the United RECORD. I have already gone over it. radio went off in that movie, on would States; and the third thing that I But I say it is time we stop this. come the former speaker, Congressman would mention to the previous speaker f BONO, singing ‘‘I Got You, Babe.’’ No is he talks about 700,000 Federal em- matter what morning came along, ployees, and my bet is that these peo- ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER every morning the same song was play- ple will, while they are furloughed, PRO TEMPORE ing on the clock radio. they will be paid for that period of The SPEAKER pro tempore. Mem- That is what is going on on the House time. bers are advised not to conduct straw floor here. It strikes me that the politi- PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY polls in the House. cal rhetoric in this debate is getting re- Mr. DURBIN. Mr. Speaker, par- Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 petitive, tired, and sad. Members are liamentary inquiry. minutes to the gentleman from Califor- getting short-tempered because we are The SPEAKER pro tempore. Mem- nia [Mr. BONO]. making no progress whatsoever. The bers will suspend. The Members are ad- (Mr. BONO asked and was given per- Republicans insist they are saving vised that the time used by the floor mission to revise and extend his re- America. We Democrats think they are manager in commenting on the sub- marks.) savaging America. Speaker GINGRICH stance of the debate is counted against Mr. BONO. Mr. Speaker, you know, I thinks the idea of a 7-year balanced his time. came here because I did not understand budget came to him in a dream. We Mr. DURBIN. I thank the Speaker. all this rhetoric that is going on. I still think it could turn out to be an eco- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- do not understand it. For one, you hear nomic nightmare. tleman from Colorado may proceed. about education, ‘‘the backs of edu- Frankly, what is in store for us here Mr. MCINNIS. Again, Mr. Speaker, to cation.’’ The very truth of the matter is to finally put aside some of this hot the previous speaker, the gentleman is simple: Education in this country rhetoric, sit down, Democrats and Re- talks about 700,000 so-called hostages, stinks. It is that simple. Now, I do not publicans, President and congressional Federal employees who will be paid understand why we would pour more leaders, and get this mess resolved. while they are on this furlough, but he money at a lousy educational system Were we not sent to Washington to continually, every day that there is a and get the results that we are getting. solve problems? I think we were. What speech by the gentleman, he contin- But we are saying we are taking edu- we see here is a lot of pettiness, a lot ually fails to mention that 230 or 260 cation away. of vitriol, and, frankly, very little million people in this country are held We are not. I cannot send my kids to progress. hostage by the deficit, which is accu- a public school. It is so lousy, I would The saddest part of it all is that mulating at $30 million an hour. not dare abuse my children. So that is there are some real victims in this po- Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to my just a bunch of nonsense. Education, litical debate. Seven hundred thousand friend, the gentleman from Florida they had better reform it. So we are Federal employees as of Monday will [Mr. MICA]. not doing anything on the backs of still be on the streets without pay; Mr. MICA. Mr. Speaker, we are really education. 700,000 people being held hostage to here to end the sham, the scam. If Now, see, as an average guy, I would this kind of political debate. That is Members will recall when Bill Clinton, say, why did the President come up outrageous. before he was President, I saw him here and why did I sit here and hear It is nothing short of outrageous as with my own eyes. I have a little bit of him say ‘‘Let’s use CBO numbers?’’ well that while these people are on the nearsightedness, but I saw him, I heard streets without pay Members of Con- him. I am not visually or hearing im- b 1100 gress will still get their paychecks. paired, and I heard him. He was run- Why did he say that? Has anyone said How can we send these people home ning for office, and he promised to bal- why he said that? Why did he say use without pay while Members of Con- ance, he would submit a plan to bal- CBO numbers? I do not understand. He gress still get paid? ance the budget in 5 years. We heard said that. I guess the kindest thing to That is why I have introduced no him. say is he was not telling the truth budget, no pay. It says to Members of Now, I am sure you have seen the re- when he said that. Congress, if we are serious about turn- cent commercial. We also have Bill Look, my colleagues, here is the ing people out on the streets without a Clinton saying, I think it can be done. issue. We have to balance this budget. paycheck, cut off the machine that Well, it can. First of all, it can be done Otherwise, we hit a wall going 180 writes our paychecks. And Members in 7 years. That is May 1995. Then we miles an hour. It is not as complicated know what will happen. We will not heard 10 years, then we heard 9 years as all this rhetoric that we hear by take this 48-hour adjournment recess and 8 years. . . . these expert politicians. It is we must the Republicans have proposed. We will Mr. HOYER. Objection, Mr. Speaker. balance the budget. stay here and do the job as we should. Mr. MICA. We are going to nail down Now, if they wanted to balance the Get it done. the balanced budget. budget, they had 40 years to balance Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I ask the the budget. We are now confronting myself such time as I may consume to gentleman’s words be taken down. that issue. We cannot back down from say to the gentleman there is nothing Mr. MCINNIS. Regular order, Mr. that. that prevents him from going ahead Speaker. Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I ask for and doing the pilot project and not Mr. HOYER. Under the rules, the a report on time. taking his check. gentleman cannot say any more. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13313 The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The NAYS—189 tleman from Florida will be seated. question is on the motion offered by Abercrombie Green Olver the gentleman from Texas [Mr. DELAY] Ackerman Gunderson Ortiz b 1110 Andrews Gutierrez Orton to allow the gentleman from Florida Baesler Hall (OH) Owens Mr. MICA. Mr. Speaker, I would state [Mr. MICA] to proceed in order. Baldacci Hamilton Pallone for the RECORD that my words in fact Barcia Harman Pastor were referring to the budget, and at no The question was taken; and the Becerra Hastings (FL) Payne (NJ) time would I refer to the President, Speaker pro tempore announced that Beilenson Hefner Payne (VA) the noes appeared to have it. Bentsen Hilliard Pelosi and I ask unanimous consent that they Berman Hinchey Peterson (FL) be stricken. Mr. LINDER. Mr. Speaker, I object to Bevill Hoekstra Peterson (MN) Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, the words the vote on the ground that a quorum Bishop Holden Pickett Bonior Horn Pomeroy of the gentleman have been taken is not present and make the point of Borski Hoyer Poshard down. I demand regular order. order that a quorum is not present. Boucher Jackson-Lee Quinn The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Browder Johnson (SD) Rahall The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evi- Brown (CA) Johnson, E. B. Rangel GOODLATTE). Does the gentleman ask dently a quorum is not present. Brown (FL) Johnston Reed unanimous consent to withdraw his Brown (OH) Kanjorski Richardson words? The Sergeant at Arms will notify ab- Bryant (TX) Kaptur Rivers Mr. MICA. Yes, I do, I ask unanimous sent Members. Camp Kennedy (MA) Roemer Cardin Kennedy (RI) Roukema consent. The vote was taken by electronic de- Chapman Kennelly Roybal-Allard The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there vice, and there were—yeas 199, nays Clay Kildee Rush objection to the request of the gen- Clayton Kleczka Sabo 189, answered ‘‘present’’ 26, not voting Clyburn Klink Sanders tleman from Florida? 18, as follows: Coleman LaFalce Sawyer Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, I object. Collins (IL) Lantos Schroeder Mr. MICA. Mr. Speaker, I would glad- [Roll No. 816] Collins (MI) Levin Schumer ly apologize. Condit Lewis (GA) Scott YEAS—199 Conyers Lincoln Serrano Mr. HOYER. Mr. Speaker, regular Allard Fox Molinari Coyne Lipinski Sisisky order. Archer Frank (MA) Moorhead Cramer Lofgren Skaggs Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, the gen- Armey Franks (CT) Myrick Danner Lowey Skelton tleman is supposed to sit down until Baker (CA) Frisa Norwood de la Garza Luther Slaughter Ballenger Funderburk Nussle DeFazio Maloney Spratt the words have been taken down. Barr Gallegly Packard DeLauro Manton Stark The SPEAKER pro tempore. That is Barrett (NE) Ganske Paxon Dellums Markey Stenholm correct. The Clerk will report the Barton Gekas Pombo Deutsch Martinez Stokes Bass Gephardt Porter Dicks Mascara Studds words objected to. Bateman Gilchrest Portman Dingell Matsui Stupak The Clerk read as follows: Bereuter Gillmor Quillen Dooley McCarthy Tanner We heard him now, I am sure you have Bilbray Gilman Radanovich Doyle McHale Taylor (MS) Bilirakis Goodlatte Ramstad Durbin McKinney Tejeda seen the recent commercial. We also have Edwards McNulty Thompson Bill Clinton saying, I think it can be done. Bliley Goss Regula Boehlert Graham Riggs Engel Meehan Thornton Well, it can be done, first of all it can be Boehner Greenwood Roberts Eshoo Meek Thurman done in 7 years. That is May 1995. Then we Bonilla Gutknecht Rogers Evans Menendez Torres heard him in 10 years, then we heard 9 years, Bono Hall (TX) Ros-Lehtinen Farr Mfume Torricelli and 8 years. Well, my colleagues, we are here Brownback Hancock Roth Fattah Miller (CA) Towns to nail the little bugger down, and that is Bryant (TN) Hansen Royce Fazio Minge Traficant Filner Mink Velazquez the purpose of this. Bunn Hastert Salmon Bunning Hastings (WA) Sanford Flake Moakley Vento The SPEAKER pro tempore. In the Burton Hayworth Saxton Foglietta Mollohan Visclosky opinion of the Chair, there is an im- Buyer Hefley Scarborough Ford Montgomery Ward Callahan Heineman Schaefer Frost Moran Waters proper reference to the President of the Calvert Herger Schiff Furse Murtha Williams United States and the remarks are not Canady Hilleary Seastrand Gejdenson Myers Wise in order. Chabot Hoke Sensenbrenner Geren Nadler Woolsey Without objection, the words are Chambliss Hostettler Shadegg Gibbons Neal Wyden Chenoweth Houghton Shaw Gonzalez Nethercutt Wynn stricken from the RECORD. Christensen Hunter Shays Goodling Oberstar Yates There was no objection. Chrysler Hutchinson Shuster Gordon Obey Zimmer Without objection, the gentleman Clement Hyde Skeen ANSWERED ‘‘PRESENT’’—26 Clinger Inglis Smith (MI) may proceed in order. Coble Istook Smith (NJ) Bachus Franks (NJ) Ney Mr. HOYER. We will object, Mr. Coburn Johnson (CT) Smith (TX) Barrett (WI) Frelinghuysen Parker Speaker. Collins (GA) Johnson, Sam Smith (WA) Bartlett Hobson Petri The SPEAKER pro tempore. Objec- Combest Jones Solomon Blute LaTourette Pryce Cooley Kasich Souder Burr Leach Rohrabacher tion is heard. Costello Kelly Spence Castle LoBiondo Wamp Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I reclaim Cox Kim Stearns Davis Longley Wicker my time. Crane King Stockman Dixon Martini Wolf Crapo Kingston Stump Ehlers Morella PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY Cremeans Klug Talent NOT VOTING—18 Mr. SCHUMER. Mr. Speaker, par- Cubin Knollenberg Tate liamentary inquiry. Cunningham Kolbe Tauzin Baker (LA) Jefferson Rose Deal LaHood Taylor (NC) Brewster Livingston Tucker The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- DeLay Largent Thomas Dornan McCrery Volkmer tleman from New York will state it. Diaz-Balart Latham Thornberry Fields (LA) McDermott Waxman Mr. SCHUMER. If the gentleman Dickey Laughlin Tiahrt Hayes Neumann Weldon (PA) Doggett Lazio Torkildsen Jacobs Oxley Wilson from Florida’s words are taken down, Doolittle Lewis (CA) Upton are not his privileges on the floor sus- Dreier Lewis (KY) Vucanovich b 1136 pended for the day? Duncan Lightfoot Waldholtz Mr. BONIOR, Mr. TORRES, and Ms. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Dunn Linder Walker Ehrlich Lucas Walsh KAPTUR changed their vote from privilege of debate for the gentleman Emerson Manzullo Watt (NC) ‘‘yea’’ to ‘‘nay.’’ would be suspended unless the House English McCollum Watts (OK) Messrs. HEFLEY, COSTELLO, and permits the gentleman to proceed in Ensign McDade Weldon (FL) SHAYS changed their vote from ‘‘nay’’ Everett McHugh Weller order. Ewing McInnis White to ‘‘yea.’’ For what purpose does the gentleman Fawell McIntosh Whitfield Messrs. PETRI, PARKER, WAMP, from Texas rise? Fields (TX) McKeon Young (AK) LONGLEY, LOBIONDO, FRELING- Mr. DELAY. Mr. Speaker, I move Flanagan Metcalf Young (FL) HUYSEN, NEY, and BARRETT of Wis- Foley Meyers Zeliff that the House allow the gentleman to Forbes Mica consin changed their vote from ‘‘yea’’ speak for the rest of the day. Fowler Miller (FL) to ‘‘present.’’ H 13314 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 So the motion was agreed to. ability to have other Government serv- we need it hard and fast, without The result of the vote was announced ices performed. They are outraged be- blame on any side? as above recorded. cause our agencies are closed, we are In the 1970’s we were going to balance A motion to reconsider was laid on telling Federal workers to stay home the budget. We were going to reduce the table. and be paid for the services that are spending for every tax dollar that The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. not being performed, we are in fiscal comes in by 3. It was not done. Then in GOODLATTE). The gentleman from Flor- crisis, and we are doing that? the 1980’s they had a foolproof, they ida [Mr. MICA] may proceed in order. If we can pass a continuing resolu- came up with a foolproof way to bal- Mr. MICA. Mr. Speaker and my col- tion without holding the President hos- ance the budget. It was called Gramm- leagues, first I want to apologize for tage on these areas, then why can we Rudman. Again, for every tax dollar the inconvenience that I have caused not come together and pass a continu- that came in, we were going to cut the House. I did ask unanimous con- ing resolution on all of the agencies of spending by 3, or at least reduce it. sent to have my remarks withdrawn. Federal Government? That was not enforceable. I hold the House in great honor and Do not bring up the balanced budget Then the famous one, when George really consider it a tremendous privi- or other issues. Many of us support bal- Bush moved his lips. We were all going lege to serve here. As Members know, ancing the budget in 7 years. We can to reduce spending. We did not there. my family served on that side of the debate that on the budget. Not on a I think, my colleagues, when we try aisle. It is a great institution. I do continuing resolution. and reduce spending, those are called nothing to shed any bad light on the You are showing willingness for vet- cuts. House and apologize if any words that erans, Social Security, and Medicare, You know, it does not serve any of I, in fact, made were improper to each then show a way to do it for all of our us. We are trying to reduce, in a bal- and every one of you personally, but I agencies. anced way, to balance the budget. I guess we get emotional in this. Yes, let us support this, but let us think we need a hard, firm commit- I never went to law school and some- bring up a continuing resolution for all ment out of this Congress because it is times I come up here and say things I Government services. primarily with Congress that those should not say. I probably should Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield come from, and with the President, choose better words. But, like some of myself such time as I may consume. that we need to balance the budget. you, I missed my son’s football game Mr. Speaker, I think it is important He said we could do it in 5. He also last night, I did not get a chance to get at this stage of the rule debate that we said we can do it in 7. And all we would the house cleaned today with my wife focus on what this debate is about, and like is a commitment to do it in 7. for Thanksgiving. that is the rule. I would like to just re- I ask you to vote for the rule because You really think about the reason we peat that House Resolution 275 is a I think it is a good rule. are here is to balance our budget and straightforward resolution. The pro- Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield to get our Government’s finances in posed rule merely provides that it shall 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from order. be in order at any time today for the Colorado [Mrs. SCHROEDER]. I know everybody on this side wants Speaker to entertain motions that the Mrs. SCHROEDER. Mr. Speaker, I to do that with compassion and care. House suspend the rules. The Commit- thank the gentleman for yielding me That is the reason we are all here and tee on Rules agreed to the amendment this time. to try and do a good job to get our to the rule by the gentleman from Cali- Let us talk about this rule. Why do country’s finances in order and to be fornia [Mr. BEILENSON] which provides we need a rule now today that allows responsible as Representatives of the that the matters being considered them to waive everything, run every- people. under suspension will be announced thing through here without notice, no Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I reserve from the House floor at least 1 hour layover, no anything? Why? Because it the balance of my time. prior to consideration and that the is now 59 days after the fiscal year Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I Speaker or his designee will consult came and went, and you have all seen yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from with the majority leader or his des- the charts of the gentleman from Wis- Maryland [Mr. CARDIN]. ignee prior to consideration under this consin. Mr. CARDIN. Mr. Speaker, quite resolution. The Gingrich Republicans did not get frankly my constituents do not quite This resolution, this rule, was taken their work done. We have heard a lot understand why we are behaving the out of the Committee on Rules by this week about airplane rides and why way we are today, when it is my con- unanimous vote. I think it is especially they did not get it done and who felt stituents, when it is the Federal work- important that the remaining speakers bad and what the President did. er, when it is the taxpayer, when it is focus on the issue of the rule. But, basically it is very interesting the person who needs Federal services to me that the reason we are 59 days that has the right to be outraged and b 1145 and still have not gotten the work done to lose their patience from what we are By passing this resolution, we are at- is there is a huge disagreement be- not doing in this Chamber. tempting to speed up the process so we tween Republicans in the Senate and Let me bring us back to the rule that can reopen the Government as soon as Republicans in the House. So I do not is before us that will permit us to have possible while keeping the commit- really care whether they got to talk to a continuing resolution so that our ment to the American people to bal- the President or not. veterans, Social Security benefits, and ance this budget within a 7-year period I am amazed that the Leader DOLE Medicare can be processed. That is a of time. and Speaker GINGRICH can sit next to reasonable request, a continuing reso- Mr. Speaker, I yield 11⁄2 minutes to each other for 25 hours on a plane, they lution for those purposes. the gentleman from California [Mr. still did not get it worked out. We still My constituents are asking why can CUNNINGHAM]. have not got the charts filled. we not have a continuing resolution for Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Mr. Speaker, I So now we have to have this rule to the other agencies of Government? If it would focus on the rule, except for 10 run everything through. Everybody is is simple enough under suspension of seconds ago I had talked about the bal- trying to be obscure by saying we are the rules to pass authority to spend anced budget, so I am going to have to for a balanced budget, no, we are, we money for veterans, Social Security, do that. It is a good rule. want 7 years, no, 5 years, 10 years, the and Medicare, why can we not do it for I think my colleagues on the other President. all of the appropriations where this side would agree this is a good rule, Here is the Republican balanced House has not sent to the President an and we ask for their support. budget. It is simple. They have got appropriation bill? Without looking at any blame, why more weapons and half the special in- My constituents are being inconven- do we need? I think, instead, of the terests. That is what it was, big cor- ienced not just on Social Security and Washington Post says we need a goal porate tax cuts, big corporate welfare veterans’ checks but on their inability for a balanced budget, that the Presi- and more for defense than the Joint to get a passport processed, on their in- dent is looking for a goal. And why do Chiefs of Staff asked for. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13315 You have got to pay for a balanced Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield radio waves and in the newspapers peo- budget somehow. Many of us have al- 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas ple are sick and tired. They are tired of ready voted for a 7-year balanced budg- [Mr. EDWARDS]. the quibbling. They are tired of the et. That is not really at issue. The Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. Speaker, with Government being shut down. They issue is how you get to the balanced today’s continuing resolution, I am want us to do our business. budget. glad the Republican leadership has fi- Let me just say to my colleagues But that is not the issue today. The nally recognized what Democrats have and, through them, to the American issue is how do you get the bills done? felt. people, yes, democracy is a messy busi- How do you get the work product done? By this resolution, I am glad the Re- ness. We have failed in doing our work. But publican leadership has recognized As George Will said the other day, what we have done is throw other peo- what we felt all along, and that is that there is no such tension, there is no ple out of work that want to do their it is wrong to use veterans and Medi- such disagreement going on in Beijing work. care recipients and social security re- and Havana, that none of us are envi- There is something nuts about this, cipients as hostages, as innocent vic- ous of that. It is messy. and I must say to the other side it does tims in this budget debate. What we are doing is important be- not look efficient, and I am ashamed It is not what is in this continuing cause there is an underlying principle we have to be here on this rule today. resolution today that bothers me. It is that is important here, and the under- Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield what is not in this continuing resolu- lying principle is a balanced budget. myself such time as I may consume. tion that bothers me. The resolution As we have heard, this is a reason- Mr. Speaker, first of all, in regards to we will vote on today does not allow us able balanced budget. Medicare is up the preceding speaker, it is her kind of to ensure that the paychecks of the by 40 percent per individual over the math, frankly, we have gotten a prob- American military personnel will go next 7 years. Medicaid is up by nearly lem with. It has been 49 days since the out on time on December 1. Let me re- 50 percent; more student loans; the end of the fiscal year, not 59 days. peat that: The continuing resolution earned-income tax credit is up. If that Second of all, Mr. speaker, I would today will not ensure that American is the case, what is this all about? It is like to finish my comments. The other military paychecks will go out on time about slowing the rate of government comment I would like to make is, as I on December 1. As we sit in this com- growth so we can just live within our recall the previous Speaker’s state- fortable, heated room, there are thou- means, and that will mean lower inter- ments from earlier in the year, the sands of American soldiers serving in est rates so everybody with a mortgage criticism to this side of the aisle is we the freezing cold of Korea, and under or a car loan or business loan can spend are going too fast, you are going too our continuing resolution today, those less money on that and have more fast, slow it down. I think both sides of soldiers’ families may not get their money to spend and invest in their the aisle can work on this. Let us get paychecks on December 1 and they business and to spend on their family. it completed and get a commitment may not be able to pay their rent and Yes, it is messy, but it is important, from the President to balance the their utility bills. and we should balance the budget. budget within 7 years. My friends, that is unconscionable, Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to my and we should not allow it to happen. I 2 minutes to the gentleman from Mon- friend, the gentleman from South Caro- am honored and privileged to represent tana [Mr. WILLIAMS]. lina [Mr. GRAHAM]. 45,000 soldiers at Fort Hood in Texas. Mr. WILLIAMS. Mr. Speaker, I thank Mr. GRAHAM. Mr. Speaker, I thank They are patriotic young men and the gentleman for yielding me this the gentleman for yielding me this women doing their duty, doing what we time. time. have asked them to do to serve their Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, will the gen- Contrary to what many people may country, and it is unfair and it wrong. tleman yield to me? believe, this happens on occasion in our Under this resolution, even if it passes, Mr. WILLIAMS. I yield to the gen- democracy where we come to an im- we cannot tell them eye to eye that tleman from Wisconsin. passe. I think 7, 8, 9, 10 times since 1980 they are going to get their paychecks Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, let me sim- we have had debates about where to on time. ply point out the gentleman from Flor- take the country. We have had to go There is nothing wrong with having ida is incorrect. The military pay raise past the end of the fiscal year. an honest budget debate about whether cannot go into effect until the author- This is probably the greatest debate I we balance the budget in 7 years, 8 ization level is passed, and that legisla- will ever engage in as a Member of years, 9 years. tion is tied up between the two Houses. Congress because the single issue is There is nothing wrong about having So the military personnel will not get this: Is it not about time, American that debate. It is wrong not to pay our their pay raise. people, both Houses of Congress and military personnel on time. Mr. WILLIAMS. Mr. Speaker, my col- the President joined together and com- Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 15 leagues, do we all remember that game mit to the principle of balancing the seconds to the gentleman from Florida show, ‘‘Name That Tune’’? I can name budget within 7 years, which is not too [Mr. YOUNG]. that tune in 10 notes, I can name that hard, which needs to be done? Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Speaker, tune in 7 notes. Let me tell you why it needs to be in response to the gentleman just in The American people think that is done: We spent more money this year the well, I would like to report to him what we are doing here with this 7 in interest payments than the entire without any reference to Medicare, years. I can balance that budget in 7 Department of Defense budget. If we do Medicaid, school lunches, tax in- years, I can balance that budget in 5 not change our spending ways, in 17 creases, tax cuts, or anything else, the years, I can balance that budget. The 7 years the entitlement portion of the House and the Senate, in a strong bi- years is arbitrary. A dozen Members on budget and the interest portion of the partisan vote, have already passed the that side have told me the 7 years is ar- budget will consume the entire revenue bill, the Defense appropriations bill, bitrary. stream. If we do not do it now, when that would pay the salaries of the peo- It is reported that, when asked pub- are we going to do it? Let some objec- ple in our military. All we need is a licly by the press how we arrived at 7 tive group, not Republicans or Demo- signature from the President, and that years, the Speaker of the House said it crats, look at the numbers. This can becomes law and they can go back to was our intuition. end in 30 seconds, not just for veterans work and they can get paid. This is not a game show. Name That and Social Security applicants but for Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 Tune is not worth doubling the Medi- the whole Nation. Let us end it right. minute to the gentleman from Arizona care premiums on my senior citizens in Let us give the American people the [Mr. KOLBE]. Montana. Name That Tune is not best Christmas present they could ever (Mr. KOLBE asked and was given per- worth cutting 600 little Montana kids have, and that is Congress and the mission to revise and extend his re- out of Head Start. Name That Tune is President agree to get the Nation’s fi- marks.) not worth increasing the costs of col- nancial house in order. Now is the Mr. KOLBE. Mr. Speaker, we have lege as much as $9,000 to my Montana time. heard this morning and we hear on the students. H 13316 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 No wonder the American people do the Federal workers back to their jobs Unable to take orders. not support this fight. They understand and send Congress home to their fami- Cannot make deliveries. that this thing was intuition. They un- lies without any debate. Cannot bill the government for services and equipment ordered. derstand that the 7 years is arbitrary. Pass a clean resolution. You have Delay on receiving payments from govern- What the American people support is shown it could be done in October. It ment agencies which affects cash flow. moving toward a balanced budget in certainly should be done this late in Other companies comments: whatever number of years it takes to November. Delay in shipments of perishable medical preserve the appropriate 50-year tradi- Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 products to government facilities. tion of an equitable Federal partner- ‘‘Our firm Handles government facilities minute and 45 seconds to my good and our business definitely suffering.’’ ship in their lives. There is no magic friend, the gentlewoman from Mary- ‘‘Our orders are down 80% from NIH.’’ about 7 or 10. Let us get off of Name land [Mrs. MORELLA]. CONTRACTS That Tune and start naming that bal- Mrs. MORELLA. Mr. Speaker, I rise New contracts are not being issued or proc- anced budget in a way that protects today in favor of the rule, and I also essed. the American people as well as the rise today to say enough. It is time for Contracts are being delayed. American economy. this House and the White House to stop AGENCY ACCESS the partisan bickering that has b 1200 Difficulty in contacting the Commerce De- brought this city and this Nation to partment, therefore difficulties in conduct- Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 crisis. ing international business. minute to my friend, the gentleman This week, how many lives were al- Limited access to information at Federal from Arkansas [Mr. DICKEY]. tered in ways that we will never begin Communications Commission. Cannot use NIH Library—day or night. Mr. DICKEY. Mr. Speaker, commu- to know? This week, for example, how nications are very important in this many scientists were kept from their COMPANY EMPLOYEES discussion. We have got to remember labs at NIH, kept from their research Employees assigned to government facili- ties have no work and will have to be laid off communications, both now and after on AIDS, cancer research, breast can- we finish with our work. if the shutdown continues. cer research, prostate cancer research? Had to find alternative work within the What I am talking about is the fact All across this region and country company for several contract employees that we are spending so much time Federal employees who want to work deemed ‘‘non-essential’’ by the government. tearing away from tradition and tear- have been furloughed. Those who have Furloughed 12 people on one contract, (80% ing away from 30 years of practice and been working have been struggling to of the contract staff). They represent 10% of indulgence, spending that has been on the companies employees. keep their agencies afloat and thou- Ten people had to be furloughed. That is a in this Government to an excess. And, sands, of taxpayers have been locked as we tear it away, we are also getting loss of income for these employees and they out of services they need and deserve. will not be paid as government employees into a lot of arguments and discussions Federal employees, Federal contrac- expected to be. and so forth. But we have got to admit tors, and the American people have be- Will continue to keep our employees even that the people who have been in con- come pawns and hostages in a show- if we must borrow money and pay interest on trol could give us more cooperation. down that can and must be resolved. it. This will affect our revenues. We have to admit that the informa- The situation, frankly, has become OTHER tion that we could get from the people intolerable, and, quite frankly, shame- Federal Government shutdown sends the who have been in authority for all ful. I would like to include a letter wrong message to the world about the prow- these years would be very helpful. But ess of the United States of America. from the suburban Maryland High Not only are the many government em- right now they are not only not giving Technology Council outlining the ad- us that information, but they are caus- ployees in our area impacted negatively by verse effects and impact, because the shutdown of the federal government but ing us to have to withstand emotional frankly, I know there is common our many government contractors are also arguments. ground for agreement and for ending feeling the drain. Unfortunately, there will What I am pleading with you all to this crisis, and we will agree we must be no provisions for retroactive compensa- do is for us to keep the lines of commu- make sacrifices to balance the budget. tion for the losses these firms are experienc- nications going. We are going to make We are willing to do it, and we can sit ing. Maryland has a large share of the na- tions government contractors. Lack of in- mistakes. In this environment we are down to do it. going to make mistakes. We are trying come, contracts, employee layoffs will have I want to remind the President and in immediate effect on these firms. Addition- to bring spending cuts to our country. this body that the Director of the Of- Mr. MOAKLEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield ally the lack of indirect and induced reve- fice of Management and Budget is the nues generated by these firms will have an 1 1 ⁄2 minutes to the gentleman from former director of the Congressional affect on State’s economy. California [Mr. FARR]. Budget Office. So why can we not come We urge you to work diligently and quick- Mr. FARR. Mr. Speaker, this is the together? ly to solve this detrimental shutdown of our first Saturday that the 104th Congress I urge this body to be involved with federal government. has been in session. Last year at this Sincerely, the White House in prompt action. It is DYAN BRASINGTON, time Congress was home with their time to stop toying with the lives of families preparing for the Thanks- President. the American people. Mr. DAVIS. Mr. Speaker, will the giving holidays, praying for peace in Mr. Speaker, I include the following Bosnia and the Middle East. We had gentlewoman yield? for the RECORD: adopted all 13 appropriations bills, we Mrs. MORELLA. I yield to the gen- SUBURBAN MARYLAND HIGH had passed the budget, and we created tleman from Virginia. TECHNOLOGY COUNCIL, Mr. DAVIS. Mr. Speaker, I would in- a $500 billion deficit reduction package. Rockville, MD, November 17, 1995. clude for the RECORD an article by Eric Look at this year. We have more Hon. CONSTANCE MORELLA, days in session, more votes cast, and Cannon House Office Building, Black of the Minneapolis-St. Paul Star less done, than any time in recent his- Washington, DC. Tribune. It is an explanation on the tory. The delay, the fight, is not nec- DEAR REPRESENTATIVE MORELLA: The Sub- whole CBO-OMB controversy. essary. Just in the beginning of Octo- urban Maryland High Technology Council [Washington Times—Nov. 18, 1995] ber, this House passed a continuing res- has polled its member technology firms con- ’93 WORDS RETURN TO HAUNT CLINTON olution by a voice vote, so cerning the affects and impacts of the cur- (By Eric Black) rent Federal Government shutdown on their In four forgotten paragraphs of a 1993 uncontroversial nobody even wanted to day to day operations. speech, President Clinton delivered a dev- have to debate it. I have assembled and categorized some of astating critique of the position he is defend- You have the power, Mr. Speaker, the responses into the points below to let ing today. you have the votes, Mr. Speaker, you you know how this action is affecting them. The Republican congressional leadership have celebrated the expedience in BUSINESS LOSS has insisted that, as part of a stopgap fund- which you could pass the Contract Several companies mentioned that they ing bill, Mr. Clinton must accept a set of eco- With America. You have made prom- are loosing business: nomic projections developed by the Congres- ises and less progress. You can bring Unable to make sales. sional Budget Office (CBO) as the common November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13317 method of analyzing competing budget pro- think that it is especially important at Gilchrest Lipinski Sanford posals. Gillmor Livingston Saxton this point in time in our history for the Gilman LoBiondo Scarborough Mr. Clinton insists on using more optimis- President of this country to go along tic economic forecasts by his own Office of Goodlatte Longley Schaefer with the U.S. Congress and commit to Goodling Lucas Schiff Management and Budget (OMB), a practice balancing the budget of this country in Goss Luther Seastrand he derided in the 1993 speech, saying it pro- Graham Manzullo Sensenbrenner vided both parties with ‘‘greater elbow room a seven-year period of time, using the Greenwood Martini Shadegg for irresponsibility.’’ CBO numbers. Gunderson McCollum Shaw In a joint session of Congress on Feb. 17, We do not think that is too much to Gutknecht McDade Shays 1993, when he unveiled his first budget plan, ask of the President, and the President Hancock McHugh Shuster Mr. Clinton made the following points: Hansen McInnis Skeen should not think it is too much to ask Hastert McIntosh Skelton Republicans and Democrats cannot have a of the Congress, and, frankly, the peo- Hastings (WA) McKeon Smith (MI) clear debate about spending, taxing and defi- ple of America are demanding we bal- Hayworth Metcalf Smith (NJ) cit-reduction priorities unless they first Hefley Meyers Smith (TX) agree on a common method for scoring the ance our budget. Heineman Mica Smith (WA) impact of their competing proposals on fu- The next thing I think is important Herger Miller (FL) Solomon ture deficits. to point out is at the beginning of this Hilleary Minge Souder The CBO should be the source of that com- Hobson Molinari Spence session when we are trying to change Hoekstra Montgomery Stearns mon method because it is ‘‘independent’’ and things, it has been 40 years, we were Hoke Moorhead Stenholm its estimates have been more conservative criticized for going too fast. Now, iron- Horn Morella Stockman and more accurate than the OMB estimates, Hostettler Myers Stump which often seemed to be tailored to the po- ically, today we are being criticized for Houghton Myrick Talent litical needs of the president. going too slow. Hunter Nethercutt Tate Mr. Clinton particularly wanted to avoid Finally, I would ask all the members Hutchinson Ney Tauzin relying on more optimistic projections so to keep in mind the President’s budget Hyde Norwood Taylor (MS) Inglis Nussle Taylor (NC) that ‘‘no one could say I was estimating my that he submitted went down 99 to 0 in Istook Orton Thomas way out of the difficulty.’’ February. Not even one Democrat in Johnson (CT) Packard Thornberry The American people cannot follow the ar- the U.S. Senate supported that budget. Johnson, Sam Parker Tiahrt gument over spending priorities and will not Jones Paxon Torkildsen ‘‘think we’re shooting straight with them’’ Mr. Speaker, I move the previous Kasich Peterson (MN) Traficant unless the president and Congress agree on a question. Kelly Petri Upton common set of economic assumptions. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Kim Pombo Vucanovich All four arguments are now being made by King Porter Waldholtz question is on ordering the previous Kingston Portman Walker the Republican congressional leaders. Now, question. Klug Poshard Walsh Mr. Clinton rejects the arguments that he The question was taken; and the Knollenberg Quillen Wamp made in 1993. Speaker pro tempore announced that Kolbe Quinn Watts (OK) The Republicans are no models of consist- LaHood Radanovich Weldon (FL) ency in this matter. When Mr. Clinton first the ayes appeared to have it. Largent Ramstad Weller boasted that his deficit projections were Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I object to Latham Regula White more credible because they were based on the vote on the ground that a quorum LaTourette Riggs Whitfield Laughlin Roberts Wicker ‘‘the independent numbers of the Congres- is not present and make the point of Lazio Rogers Wolf sional Budget Office,’’ the derisive laughter order that a quorum is not present. Leach Rohrabacher Young (AK) from the Republican side of the aisle was so The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evi- Lewis (CA) Ros-Lehtinen Young (FL) Lewis (KY) Roth Zeliff loud it caused Mr. Clinton to depart from his dently a quorum is not present. text. Lightfoot Roukema Zimmer Then, of course, Congress had a Demo- Pursuant to the provisions of clause 5 Lincoln Royce cratic majority and the CBO leaders were of rule XV, the Chair announces that Linder Salmon Democratic appointees. Speaker Newt Ging- he will reduce to a minimum of 5 min- NAYS—169 rich, who had often accused longtime CBO utes the period of time within which a Abercrombie Farr Lofgren Director Robert Reischauer of pro-Democrat vote by electronic device, if ordered, Ackerman Fattah Lowey bias, insisted on changing CBO directors. will be taken on the question of agree- Andrews Fazio Maloney The argument over how to ‘‘score’’ budget ing to the resolution. Baldacci Filner Manton proposals, while highly technical in nature, Barcia Flake Markey is also enormously important. To say what The Sergeant at Arms will notify ab- Barrett (WI) Foglietta Martinez next year’s federal deficit might be, even if sent Members. Becerra Ford Mascara Beilenson Frank (MA) Matsui all current policies were maintained, would The vote was taken by electronic de- Bentsen Frost McCarthy require an accurate forecast of economic vice, and there were—yeas 247, nays Berman Furse McHale growth rate, unemployment, inflation, inter- 169, not voting 16, as follows: Bishop Gejdenson McKinney est rates, wage trends, tax compliance and Bonior Gephardt McNulty [Roll No. 817] countless other figures. Borski Gibbons Meehan If someone proposed a change, such as YEAS—247 Boucher Gonzalez Meek Brown (CA) Gordon Menendez lower capital gains taxes or new HMO-type Allard Buyer DeLay Brown (FL) Green Mfume Archer Callahan Diaz-Balart options for Medicare, the scorekeepers would Brown (OH) Gutierrez Miller (CA) Armey Calvert Dickey have to estimate how many people would see Bryant (TX) Hall (OH) Mink Bachus Camp Doolittle long-held assets to take advantage of the Cardin Hall (TX) Moakley Baesler Canady Dreier lower tax rate, how many seniors would Chapman Hamilton Mollohan Baker (CA) Castle Duncan Clay Harman Moran choose the HMO option and how much less it Ballenger Chabot Dunn Clayton Hastings (FL) Murtha might cost the government to insure them Barr Chambliss Ehlers Clyburn Hefner Nadler that way: Barrett (NE) Chenoweth Ehrlich Coleman Hilliard Neal Bartlett Christensen Emerson Mr. Clinton was right in 1993 when he said Collins (IL) Hinchey Oberstar Barton Chrysler English that CBO projections had been more accu- Collins (MI) Holden Obey Bass Clement Ensign rate than OMB projections during the Conyers Hoyer Olver Bateman Clinger Everett Reagan and Bush years. The bad news is that Coyne Jackson-Lee Ortiz Bereuter Coble Ewing de la Garza Jefferson Owens even the more pessimistic CBO projections Bevill Coburn Fawell DeFazio Johnson (SD) Pallone turned out to be overly optimistic for every Bilbray Collins (GA) Fields (TX) DeLauro Johnson, E. B. Pastor one of those 12 years. Bilirakis Combest Flanagan Dellums Johnston Payne (NJ) Bliley Condit Foley Mr. MCINNIS. Mr. Speaker, I yield Deutsch Kanjorski Payne (VA) Blute Cooley Forbes Dicks Kaptur Pelosi myself such time as I may consume. Boehlert Costello Fowler Dingell Kennedy (MA) Peterson (FL) Boehner Cox Fox Mr. Speaker, I think it is very impor- Dixon Kennedy (RI) Pickett Bonilla Cramer Franks (CT) tant, first of all, to remember that this Doggett Kennelly Pomeroy Bono Crane Franks (NJ) Dooley Kildee Rahall rule came out of the Committee on Browder Crapo Frelinghuysen Doyle Kleczka Rangel Rules unanimously on a voice vote. Brownback Cremeans Frisa Durbin Klink Reed Bryant (TN) Cubin Funderburk There is no reason that we should not Edwards LaFalce Richardson Bunn Cunningham Gallegly pass this rule here today. Engel Lantos Rivers Bunning Danner Ganske Eshoo Levin Roemer Second of all, I think it is important Burr Davis Gekas Evans Lewis (GA) Rose we put it in its proper perspective. We Burton Deal Geren H 13318 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 Roybal-Allard Stark Vento Urban Development, and for sundry tion by the chairman of the Committee Rush Stokes Visclosky Sabo Studds Ward independent agencies, boards, commis- on the Budget to concur in the Senate Sanders Stupak Waters sions, corporations, and offices for the amendment to the Balanced Budget Sawyer Tanner Watt (NC) fiscal year ending September 30, 1996, Act. This rule is made necessary by the Schroeder Tejeda Williams and for other purposes, which was re- fact that two small provisions of the Schumer Thompson Wise Scott Thornton Woolsey ferred to the House Calendar and or- Balanced Budget Act were stricken Serrano Thurman Wyden dered to be printed. from the legislation as a result of the Sisisky Torres Wynn f so-called Byrd rule. Skaggs Torricelli Yates Mr. Speaker, business as usual in Slaughter Towns b Spratt Velazquez 1230 Washington is making promises, not NOT VOTING—16 CONCURRING IN SENATE AMEND- keeping them. Business as usual is talking about a balanced budget, but Baker (LA) McCrery Volkmer MENT TO H.R. 2491, SEVEN-YEAR Brewster McDermott Waxman BALANCED BUDGET RECONCILI- not passing one. Business as usual is Dornan Neumann Weldon (PA) ATION ACT OF 1995 higher taxes on families and more Fields (LA) Oxley Wilson spending on Government. Hayes Pryce Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, by direc- Jacobs Tucker tion of the Committee on Rules, I call By each of these three criteria, Mr. Speaker, passing the Balanced Budget b 1226 up House Resolution 279 and ask for its immediate consideration. Act today and sending it to the Presi- Mr. ENGEL changed his vote from The Clerk read the resolution, as fol- dent is not business as usual. ‘‘yea’’ to ‘‘nay.’’ lows: Instead, this is a truly historic day in Mr. POSHARD, Ms. DANNER, Mr. H. RES. 279 congressional history, the day when LIPINSKI, and Mr. BROWDER changed Resolved, That upon adoption of this reso- Congress agrees on a budget plan that their vote from ‘‘nay’’ to ‘‘yea.’’ lution it shall be in order without interven- places children and tomorrow ahead of So the previous question was ordered. tion of any point of order to take from the politicians. That day is today. This The result of the vote was announced Speaker’s table the bill (H.R. 2491) to provide rule will permit us to vote on a real as above recorded. for reconciliation pursuant to section 105 of plan, a specific plan that balances the The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. the concurrent resolution on the budget for budget in 7 years. It may not be per- GOODLATTE). The question is on the fiscal year 1996, with a Senate amendment fect, but it has the support of a major- resolution. thereto, and to consider in the House a mo- ity in the House and Senate. It has the The resolution was agreed to. tion offered by the chairman of the Commit- tee on the Budget or his designee to concur support of those who want larger tax A motion to reconsider was laid on in the Senate amendment. The Senate cuts, and those who would rather in- the table. amendment and the motion shall be consid- crease spending a little more. It has f ered as read. The motion shall be debatable supporters who want to balance the for one hour equally divided and controlled budget more rapidly and those who REPORT ON RESOLUTION PROVID- by proponent and an opponent. The previous think 7 years is as fast as possible. ING FOR CONSIDERATION OF question shall be considered as ordered on Mr. Speaker, because it is a real plan SENATE AMENDMENT TO H.R. the motion to final adoption without inter- vening motion. rather than some phony outline, 2491, 7-YEAR BALANCED BUDGET crafting the Balanced Budget Act in- RECONCILIATION ACT OF 1995 PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY volved real choices and very tough de- Mr. DREIER, from the Committee on Mr. ABERCROMBIE. Mr. Speaker, I cisions. The conventional wisdom was Rules, submitted a privileged report have a parliamentary inquiry. that a final package could not be put (Rept. No. 104–354) on the resolution (H. The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. EM- together. The majorities in the House Res. 379) providing for the consider- ERSON). The gentleman will state it. and Senate would self-destruct, many ation of a Senate amendment to the Mr. ABERCROMBIE. Mr. Speaker, had said. That was obviously not the bill (H.R. 2491) to provide for reconcili- my parliamentary inquiry is based on case. an inability to get an answer yester- ation pursuant to section 105 of concur- Along with tremendous leadership day. Is the measure before the House rent resolution on the budget for fiscal from a number of people in and out of the same measure which excludes the year 1996, which was referred to the Congress, those who support this bill cost-of-living increases for military re- House Calendar and ordered to be have come together behind a belief tirees for fiscal year 1996, 1997, and 1998, printed. that it is a moral imperative that we under the national security provisions? f The SPEAKER pro tempore. The put children ahead of politics as usual. Chair cannot respond to the content of Mr. Speaker, the American people ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER know that balancing the budget is crit- PRO TEMPORE a measure that the resolution before the House would make in order. ical to improving standards of living. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- Mr. ABERCROMBIE. Mr. Speaker, Lower interest rates from this bill ant to the provisions of House Resolu- further parliamentary inquiry. Would alone are expected to create nearly tion 275, the Chair wishes to announce it be in order, Mr. Speaker, at a time 500,000 new jobs, private sector jobs in that today the Chair will entertain a when proponents and opponents of the my State of California alone. Cutting motion to suspend the rules and pass measure have time, to ask the pro- the top rate on capital gains and ex- House Joint Resolution 123. ponents to yield to such a question? tending the research tax credit will f Would that be in order? translate directly into more jobs in the The SPEAKER pro tempore. That companies that are at the heart of my WAIVING POINTS OF ORDER would be in order. State’s transition from a defense-based AGAINST CONFERENCE REPORT Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, for pur- to an export-based economy. ON H.R. 2099, DEPARTMENTS OF poses of debate only I yield the cus- Mr. Speaker, I know the experience VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUS- tomary 30 minutes to the gentleman of these new jobs to families in Califor- ING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, from Woodland Hills, CA [Mr. BEILEN- nia. I will not apologize for cutting AND INDEPENDENT AGENCIES SON], and pending that I yield myself taxes to create more private sector APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 1996 such time as I may consume. All time jobs. These growth incentives will also Mr. McINNIS, from the Committee yielded will be for the purposes of de- increase wage levels, addressing the on Rules, submitted a privileged report bate only. problem of stagnant wages that has (Rept. No. 104–355) on the resolution (H. (Mr. DREIER asked and was given plagued the economic recovery during Res. 280) waiving points of order permission to revise and extend his re- the past 3 years. While we balance the against the conference report to ac- marks and to include extraneous mate- Federal budget, we must be sure that company the bill (H.R. 2099) making rial.) clear priorities are addressed. Past appropriations for the Departments of Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, the rule Congresses have ignored the cost of Veterans Affairs and Housing and provides for the consideration of a mo- failed immigration policies. Billions of November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13319 dollars in services to illegal immi- Mr. ROTH. Mr. Speaker, I just want to the call of the Chair or until ap- grants have been left to State tax- to make a couple of short observations. proximately 1:30 p.m. payers. That is wrong. For the first Basically, when we hear debate that Accordingly (at 12 o’clock and 40 time this bill will create a $3.5 billion has been going on, not only this past minutes p.m.), the House stood in re- Medicaid fund to assist States with the couple of hours, but also yesterday and cess subject to the call of the Chair. cost of emergency health care to ille- for the last number of days, it is basi- f gal immigrants. cally the debate on this side of the In tandem with the $500 million ap- aisle. As I see it, it is the debate about b 1329 propriated by the House to reimburse the old paradigm, the old liberal wel- AFTER RECESS States for the cost of incarcerating il- fare state. If my colleagues analyze the legal immigrant felons, this targeted debate basically coming from this side The recess having expired, the House Medicaid fund places Congress at the of the aisle, it is in the paradigm is was called to order by the Speaker pro forefront of dealing with this very im- that we are moving into an oppor- tempore [Mr. EMERSON] at 1 o’clock portant issue of illegal immigration. tunity society. and 29 minutes p.m. Mr. Speaker, we are approaching the Basically, what we are saying when f time to put partisanship aside. We we analyze it, is that the liberal wel- CONFERENCE REPORT ON S. 440, must unite behind a fundamental de- fare State is dead, that more and more NATIONAL HIGHWAY SYSTEM sire of families all across this country. government, more and more regula- DESIGNATION ACT OF 1995 We know we must balance the Federal tions are not the answer. What we are budget. They elected the President and looking for in our society is that we Mr. SHUSTER. Mr. Speaker, on be- Congress both to accomplish that goal. are looking for less government, less half of both the majority and the mi- The President said he was going to do regulation. Why? Because the jobs that nority, I ask unanimous consent that it in 5 years when he ran in 1992, and are coming are not going to be pro- the conference report to accompany this Congress, this new majority in the duced by Government. The jobs that the Senate bill (S. 440) to amend title Congress said we would do it. The Bal- are coming are jobs that are being pro- 23, United States Code, to provide for anced Budget Act embodies a number duced by entrepreneurs, and entre- the designation of the National High- of the President’s election promises. preneurs cannot have a lot of regula- way System, and for other purposes, be Along with that balanced budget, he tion. considered as agreed to. promised to end welfare as we know it. The world is moving ahead too fast. The Clerk read the title of the Senate That is exactly what happens in this We have got to have less government bill. bill. He promised a middle-class tax cut so that the private sector can move (For conference report and state- when he ran in 1992; that is exactly and create the jobs that are needed ment, see proceedings of the House of what we are doing in this bill. today. So basically what we are debat- November 15, 1995, at page H12459.) We should come together. This rule ing here is really a very philosophical The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there will permit us to send a balanced budg- issue of where the country and were objection to the request of the gen- et to the President for the first time in the world is heading. tleman from Pennsylvania? three decades. I urge my colleagues to We are saying basically that the lib- Mr. OBERSTAR. Reserving the right support it. eral welfare state is dead and that it is to object, Mr. Speaker, I do not object Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of being replaced by the Information Act, to the gentleman’s request. my time. what we call the opportunity society. Mr. Speaker, I first want to take this oppor- Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I That is why it is difficult to get these tunity to thank all of the conferees, particularly yield myself such time as I may groups basically to see eye to eye. But my good friend from Pennsylvania, Chairman consume. the American people instinctively SHUSTER, my distinguished colleague and Mr. Speaker, I am glad my friend has know that we cannot continue the lib- friend from West Virginia, Mr. RAHALL, and the stopped talking so we can come to- eral welfare state. That is basically gentleman from Wisconsin, Mr. PETRI, and all gether. why everyone is so much in favor of a of our committee members for their long, hard Mr. Speaker, this rule allows for a balanced budget. It is not only the dol- work on this important legislation. All have motion to dispose of the Senate amend- lars that are involved, but it is the di- worked hard to make the necessary com- ment to the budget reconciliation bill, rection that our country is going in. promises to move this critical legislation for- and allows for 1 hour of debate on that When we have our town hall meet- ward on a bipartisan basis. The result of all of motion. The Senate amendment con- ings, people are always talking about our efforts is a better conference report. sists of the reconciliation bill we did let us balance the budget. Let us do Mr. Speaker, most importantly, the con- yesterday minus two items as the gen- what the American people are demand- ference report that we consider today des- tleman explained that were dropped in ing. The American people are demand- ignates the National Highway System, or NHS. the other body yesterday afternoon. It ing a balanced budget. Basically what The NHS is the backbone of our Nation's waives all points of order against the the American people really are saying transportation system. It consists of 161,000 motion. is that our Government has gotten too miles of Interstate highways and other heavily The rule we are considering is a per- big and our government costs too traveled roads. Although the NHS comprises fectly acceptable rule for an, unfortu- much. only four percent of our Nation's total highway nately, unacceptable bill. Since the mileage, 9 out of 10 Americans live within 5 b President has already said he will veto 1245 miles of an NHS road and it carries 40 percent this bill, and we think he should, we Mr. BEILENSON. Mr. Speaker, I of all highway travel and 75 percent of all think we ought to debate it quickly yield back the balance of my time. trucking commerce. and get it to his desk as quickly as pos- Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I urge an With passage of this conference report and sible. aye vote on this rule. designation of the NHS, $5.4 billion of critical We do this body no justice by spend- Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance transportation funds will now be released to ing hours debating a bill that is sure to of my time, and I move the previous the States. In the next fiscal year, an addi- be vetoed. We believe we should con- question on the resolution. tional $6.5 billion of NHS funds will be distrib- centrate our energies on working out a The previous question was ordered. uted nationwide. At a time when our infrastruc- continuing resolution and a reconcili- The resolution was agreed to. ture is crumbling, this legislation provides criti- ation bill that the President will sign. A motion to reconsider was laid on cal funds for badly needed transportation Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to the table. projects. support this rule. f Mr. Speaker, the conference report also in- Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of cludes several other important changes to the my time. RECESS landmark Intermodal Surface Transportation Mr. DREIER. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. EM- Efficiency Act and other transportation laws. It minutes to the gentleman from Apple- ERSON). Pursuant to clause 12 of rule I, provides additional funding through rescissions ton, WI [Mr. ROTH], my friend. the House will stand in recess subject to address the section 1003 budget problem, H 13320 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 authorizes funds for the National Driver Reg- that do not have helmet laws. That 20 to 40 with safety. The fact is that the groups that re- ister and the National Recreational Trails pro- percent lower fatality rate means that, in those quested the waivers in the conference report grams, and withholds funds from States that States without helmet laws, we could have could not convince DOT that they would be do not prohibit underage drinking and driving saved 350 to 700 lives. I strongly support con- safe. That's why they came to Congress. by adopting a zero-tolerance law. tinuation of a Federal law which can save that Finally, DOT is currently in the midst of mil- While this Conference Report does take many lives. lions of dollars of research on the very com- these positive steps and others, I nevertheless I cannot accept the argument that if you plex topic of driver fatigue. The bulk of the re- have grave reservations about several con- wear a helmet, the helmet is likely to contrib- search will be complete by 1996. We should troversial anti-safety provisions also included ute to an accident. In 900 motorcycle acci- not grant blanket statutory waivers without in the legislation. These provisions eliminate dents investigated in the city of Los Angeles, considering the results of these studies. important Federal safety standards, including 40 percent of the riders were helmeted; in Mr. Speaker, again, these provisions will se- speed limits and motorcycle helmet require- none of these cases did the helmet contribute riously threaten our Nation's highway safety. ments. to the accident by restricting the hearing or vi- While I endorse the conference report overall, I know that in the 104th Congress there is sion of the rider. there are numerous antisafety provisions in it a strong desire to turn safety responsibilities Helmets reduce injury severity; they reduce which I cannot and will not support. over to the States; however, our highway sys- the likelihood of death. When you are pitched In that regard, I do want to call attention to tem is a national system. The highways we from a motorcycle or from a bicycle, the prob- a provision of this legislation which I devel- fund for the National Highway System are ability is that your head goes down first. I oped to ensure that we will have the ability to widely used by drivers who do not live in the know; I have had an accident riding a bicycle. oversee the effects of the safety cutbacks. State in which the highway is located. We at A car pulling illegally from a curb and headed Under my amendment, the Secretary of Trans- the national level bear a substantial respon- in the wrong direction came toward my bike, portation, in cooperation with any State that sibility for what happens on America's high- smacked me at 20 miles an hour. I went right raises its speed limit, will study the costs to ways. We impose the taxes that fund the con- into the windshield of the automobile and shat- the State of death and injuries resulting from struction of these highways and we set the tered the windshield with my head, but I was motor vehicle crashes, and the benefits, if any, conditions under which the National Highway wearing a helmet. It not only saved my life but associated with the repeal of the national System is constructed and operated. We saved me from severe, possibly disabling in- speed limit. should not step away from our responsibility of jury. The Secretary's report will include informa- ensuring that those very same highways are I think everybody who rides a motorcycle or tion on the costs of motor vehicle crashes safe. a bicycle ought to, in the name of common both before and after any change in the speed Unfortunately the conference has decided to sense, wear a helmet. More so, in the name limit. It will determine whether these crashes eliminate important Federal safety standards of all those who love them, all those who are are caused by excess speed, the use of alco- which have saved hundreds of thousands of in their family, all those who are in their com- hol, or other safety factors, and whether seat lives. munity, and all those who are going to pay the belts and motorcycle helmets were used by Regrettably, the conference report repeals bills if they wind up a permanent disabled those involved in the crashes. In this way, the national speed limit which the National case. within 2 years, we can review what we've Academy of Sciences estimates has saved I am also deeply concerned with those pro- done. I hope that my fears of growing num- 40,000 to 80,000 lives in the past two dec- visions of the conference report which depart bers of highway fatalities and injuries are un- ades. from uniform commercial motor vehicle and founded. If they are notÐand this study will The conference report allows States to have driver safety standards by waiving key safety address thisÐwe can revisit these issues and no speed limit at all, if they so choose. In fact, regulations for several groups. Under the con- make the changes needed to save American in nine states the speed limit repealer will ference report, weekly on-duty time limits are lives. automatically result in higher speed limits, in- waived for drivers who transport water well Again, although I am seriously troubled by creasing in some States to 70 miles per hour, drilling rigs, transport construction materials the antisafety provisions of this legislation, I in others to 75, and in one State to no speed and equipment, operate utility service vehicles, believe that this legislation to develop Ameri- limit at all. or deliver home heating oil, the latter being a ca's highways should go forward. I will vote in Although today's cars are much safer than provision which was not in either bill. In addi- support of the conference report. those of 20 years ago, it is people, and not tion, under the conference report, no maxi- Mr. SHUSTER. Mr. Speaker, the passage of cars, who cause accidents, and no matter mum driving or on-duty time limits would apply the National Highway System Designation Act what is said, speed kills. Speed is already a to drivers who transport agricultural commod- of 1995 is one of the most important pieces of contributing factor in one-third of all fatal high- ities or farm supplies during planting and har- legislation in the 104th Congress. This legisla- way crashes, killing about 1,000 Americans vesting seasons. Many snowplow operators tion will directly affect the lives of generations every month and costing the Nation a stagger- would be exempt from the requirement to ob- of Americans to come. ing $24 billion each year. This speed limit re- tain a commercial driver's license for operating The NHS is the centerpiece of the Inter- pealer will result in more Americans killed and vehicles that weigh more than 26,000 pounds. modal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of taxpayer dollars wasted. The Department of The conference report also creates a pro- 1991 [ISTEA]. It will be to the 21st century Transportation estimates that the speed limit gram encouraging DOT to waive additional what the interstate was to the 20th century: repeal included in this conference agreement safety regulations for commercial vehicles The backbone of our Nation's transportation will kill an additional 6,400 Americans each weighing less than 26,000 pounds. system and the surface upon which goods and year, at an additional cost of nearly $20 billion Mr. Speaker, we need uniform safety stand- services are carried safely and efficiently annually. ards, not waivers for special interests. This re- across our country. This legislation also terminates an important port opens floodgates that will not be easily I would like to thank all the House and Sen- safety program which encourages States to closed. As soon as one group gets an exemp- ate Conferees for their efforts to bring this enact motorcycle helmet laws. Again, the data tion, other groups will argue that they should conference report to resolution. Special thanks show that, without question, motorcycle hel- have similar exemptions. go to TIM PETRI, the Surface Transportation mets help prevent deaths and serious head in- Moreover, these waivers are a significant Subcommittee chairman, JIM OBERSTAR, the juries. Head injuries are the leading cause of departure from the long-term effort to create committee's ranking Republican member, and death in motorcycle crashes, and an uniform commercial motor vehicle and driver NICK RAHALL, the ranking Republican member unhelmeted rider is 40 percent more likely to safety regulations. The public cares little about on the subcommittee, for their contributions. I incur a fatal head injury than one who wears whether a truck transports agricultural supplies would also like to thank my Senate col- a helmet, and more than 80 percent of all mo- or home heating oil or any other commodity, leagues, especially Senator WARNER, Senator torcycle crashes result in injury or death to rid- intrastate or interstate. The public has consist- CHAFEE, and Senator BAUCUS for their tireless ers. ently indicated that as far as they are con- efforts to produce this conference report. When 27 States previously repealed or cerned, a truck is a truck and all trucks should I want to also commend the Department of weakened their helmet laws, the increase in operate safely. Transportation and the Federal Highway Ad- motorcycle fatalities was four times the in- In addition, an administrative process al- ministration, especially Administrator Rodney creased rate of motorcycle registrations. ready exists whereby DOT, the agency we Slater, for their excellent work in working with Those States that have helmet laws show 20 created to ensure safety, may waive regula- the States and proposing the NHS map we to 40 percent lower fatality rates than States tions, if such a waiver would be consistent approve today. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13321 This conference report is the result of a total I voted against the repeal of the national The conference report provides relief to bipartisan effort. The conference report is truly maximum speed limit, but, both the House and States from the Clean Air Act's enhanced in- a compromise. There are provisions that I do Senate voted overwhelmingly to repeal the na- spection and maintenance program and trans- not support, but in the spirit of compromise tional maximum speed limit. However, I am portation conformity requirements. and to ensure the passage of the conference pleased that the conference report modifies I would like to recognize the efforts of the report I accepted these provisions. the provision by allowing for a 10-day grace American Road and Transportation Builders The NHS bill passed the House by an over- period after enactment, before the Federal re- Association in bringing the suit to address the whelming 419 to 7 vote on September 21. peal takes effect. During this period, State leg- conformity issue, the settlement of which will The passage of the National Highway Sys- islatures that are in session on the date of en- be ultimately accomplished in this conference tem Designation Act of 1995 will release $5.7 actment may take action to set appropriate report. billion in fiscal year 1996 and $6.5 billion in speed limits for their States. In States where The conference report contains a safety pro- fiscal year 1997 in national highway system the legislature is not in session on the date of vision to help deter drunk driving among mi- and interstate maintenance funds to the enactment, a Governor may extend the effec- nors. States are encouraged to enact laws States. It is important to emphasize that this tive date of the repeal until 60 days after such which make the operation of a motor vehicle money is not from any new taxes. This $12.2 time as the legislature has convened so that by an individual under the age of 21 who has billion is money already authorized from the the State has sufficient time to consider the a blood alcohol concentration of 0.02 percent highway trust fund. appropriate speed limits for its State. I trust or greater considered to be driving under the The conference report will approve 160,955 that State legislatures will act thoughtfully and influence or driving while intoxicated, or risk miles on the National Highway System. These deliberately and make the right decision for loss of Federal-aid highway funds. This provi- miles were identified through a comprehensive their States; taking into consideration the de- sion will help protect our youth, make our and cooperative process between States, lo- mographics, landscape, and road design of highways safer, and reduce fatalities. calities, and the Secretary. their individual States. The conference report provides for The NHS, made up of the Interstate System The conference report provides new author- common- sense motor carrier deregulation and the other most important highways in the ity for States and the FHWA to build new part- through establishment of a Commercial Motor country, is the backbone of the Nation's trans- nerships with the private sector through inno- Vehicle Regulatory Relief and Safety Pilot Pro- portation system. While comprising only 4.1 vative financing mechanisms. These include: gram and exemptions from burdensome regu- percent of the Nation's total highway mileage, Establishment of a 10-State pilot project for lations on certain motor carriers. it will carry 40 percent of all highway travel, 75 State infrastructure banks; modifications to the The Small Delivery Truck Pilot Program has been significantly tightened since the passage percent of all trucking commerce, and 80 per- advance construction program to permit use of by the House. The Secretary has been given cent of all tourist travel. advance construction beyond the authorization America's reliance on its highways is at an period; eligibility of Federal funds for preven- greater latitude to set criteria for entry into the all time high. The vast majority of personal tive maintenance activities; expansion of use program, the carriers participating in the pro- gram must only use top drivers, the ability to trips are over highways. Seventy-eight percent of Federal funds for bond or debt financing terminate carriers participating in the program of the value of all freight is transported by costs; use of donated materials or services to- has been strengthened and the Secretary may trucks over its roads. Over 75 percent of all wards the non-Federal share; expansion of the set interim criteria for operating the program. the cities and towns in America rely exclu- toll loan program to projects with a dedicated revenue source; and increasing the Federal These changes have been put into place sively on trucks for freight delivery. after working with the Department, industry, The NHS will extend the benefits of the share of toll projects. The conference report contains no new safety groups, and consumer advocates. All Interstate System to areas of the United sides have had a voice in crafting this provi- States not currently served by interstate high- projects. Some previously authorized projects are corrected or redefined to permit States to sion. ways. Overall, the NHS will carry 42 percent The motor carrier hours of service exemp- of rural and 40 percent of all urban travel use existing funds for revised priorities. The conference report clarifies that in des- tions for water well drillers, farmers, and con- miles. Ninety-five of all U.S. businesses and struction and utility vehicles have been limited 90 percent of all U.S. households will be lo- ignating scenic byways, States may exclude from such designations segments of highway and the conference report has clarified that cated within 5 miles of an NHS route. While that are inconsistent with the State's criteria the States may continue to regulate intrastate the Interstate System serves many urban for designating scenic byways and may permit commerce in these areas even more strin- areas with populations over 50,000 and most the erection of new billboards on those seg- gently than Federal requirements. State capitals, the NHS will serve them all. ments. The conference report contains a provision Let me review some of the highlights of the Scenic byways are State programs. It is ap- to repeal the preemployment alcohol-testing bill. propriate that a State make the decision as to requirement for all modes of transportation. After enactment of this bill, modifications to whether certain segments that are not consist- Nothing in this provision is intended to limit the the NHS will be made by the Secretary and ent with its criteria should be excluded from its flexibility provided in the Federal motor carrier the States. Intermodal connectors will be sub- scenic byways designations, not the Federal safety regulations that allow motor carriers to ject to a one-time congressional approval; Government. The authority of the FHWA is rely on postaccident drug or alcohol tests con- however, those that meet FHWA criteria will limited to determining whether the segmenta- ducted by Government officials and obtained be eligible for NHS funds in the interim period tion has a reasonable basis and that the by the employer as a way to meet the motor prior to congressional approval. State's action is not solely intended to evade carriers' testing requirement. The NHS conference report also addresses Federal requirements. The Natcher Bridge, spanning the Ohio the budget shortfall as a result of the applica- The conference report contains a provision River between Owensboro, KY, and Indiana is tion of 1003(C) of ISTEA. The conference re- that allows signs, displays, and devices identi- a critical transportation project to the Second port provides $513 million in funding to the fying and announcing free motorist aid call District of Kentucky. This bridge has been States from rescissions of budget authority boxes and their sponsorship signs to be lo- funded through appropriations and is not par- previously made available. These funds are cated on the call box and the call box post, in tially complete. It currently has approaches distributed to all States based on the ISTEA rights-of-way of NHS roads. and piers but no roadway or structure. Com- formula. In addition, the conference report pro- A FHWA memorandum dated November 14, pleting this bridge is a priority. vides States with additional flexibility to access 1995 states: This conference report makes $5.7 billion in unobligated balances in order to move forward There is no relationship between sections fiscal year 1996 funds and $6.5 billion in fiscal on their highest surface transportation prior- 131(f) and (i) and the proposed section 111(c) year 1997 funds available to the States. It also ities. because the call box signs are a very specific provides additional allocations from rescis- The conference report contains several pro- type of informational sign created in a sec- sions and funding flexibility for States to fund visions that provide the States relief from bur- tion of title 23 completely separate from the high priority projects. For Kentucky, the bill densome Federal mandates and penalties. Highway Beautification Act. Statutory con- makes $51.0 million in fiscal year 1996 and The national maximum speed limit, crumb rub- struction would require the FHWA to treat $58.2 million in fiscal year 1997 NHS funds the call box signs created under section 111 ber use requirements and penalties, metric as entirely separate from any provision of available to Kentucky. Since the bridge is on signage requirements, motorcycle helmet law section 131. Thus, the new category of signs the NHS, Kentucky may use all of these funds requirements and penalties are repealed, and cannot be affected by the Highway Beautifi- to complete the bridge. management systems requirements and pen- cation Act or by FHWA’s Highway Beautifi- This conference report also rescinds $513 alties are suspended. cation Act regulations. million in highway program funds that are no H 13322 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 longer viable or in priority programs. Kentucky He was a noted authority on highway trans- This conference report accomplishes much will receive a distribution of $7.9 million from portation, and was a member of the board of more than the designation of the National these funds, which may be used for any high- governors of the International Public Works Highway System. Various Federal mandates priority project such as the Natcher Bridge. Federation; a member of the executive com- and penalties are repealed, including the re- Finally, to permit States to fund high-priority mittee of the Transportation Research Board; peal of motorcycle helmet mandates and as- projects despite a budget cut of 13 percent a director of the International Road Federa- sociated penalties, the repeal of the national this year due to an obscure provision of law tion; a director of the National Commission maximum speed limit and associated pen- known as section 1003, this conference report Against Drunk Driving; a director of the Travel alties, and the repeal of the mandated use of provides flexibility to the States to reprogram Industry Association of America; a director of crumb rubber in asphalt and associated pen- old, unobligated balances of accrued funds. the Road Information Program; on the advi- alties. Kentucky can reprogram $27.4 million, all of sory board of the Northwestern University The conference report contains many other which could be used on the bridge. Traffic Institute; president of the Alumni Asso- worthy provisions to improve our Nation's Fed- I would like to work with the gentleman from ciation of Norwich University; and was active eral highway program and to facilitate the con- Kentucky over the next 2 years to ensure that in many other transportation-related profes- struction of transportation projects across the high priority projects such as the Natcher sional organizations. He has received more country. The conference report, like the House Bridge are considered whenever Congress than 50 awards for professional excellence bill which was passed in September, does not considers highway funding, including the reau- from a wide range of private and public sector contain any new funding for any specific high- thorization of ISTEA. organizations. way project. Lock and dam #4 is a critical transportation We will all miss this fine gentleman. It is ap- Although I am generally pleased with this project in my district that requires $4 million in propriate that we honor him today, for he conference report, there is one major dis- funding to complete the bridge. This con- would have been very proud to see the Na- appointment. The Senate refused to agree to ference report provides the State of Arkansas tional Highway System, one of his greatest the House provision which would have utilized with $7 million total in additional funding from legacies, enacted into law. over $500 million in excess and available rescissions. These funds are on top of Arkan- I want to thank the superb staff on the Sur- budget authority in the minimum allocation sas' regular Federal highway funding. Arkan- face Transportation Subcommittee. They program to restore funding reductions that sas may use the funds to complete any high worked with great diligence and dedication to every State will experience as a result of sec- priority project in the State, including complet- help produce this conference report. They are: tion 1003 of ISTEA. ing lock and dam #4. Jack Schenendorf, Bob Bergman, Becky Unfortunately, the Senate chose to offer up The 1994 Northridge, CA earthquake was Weber, Roger Nober, Debbie Gebhardt, Peter this budget authority as savings for the pur- centered in the 25th Congressional District Loughlin, Aadam Tsao and Linda Scott on the poses of budget reconciliation. I believe the and highlighted the transportation shortfalls majority side, and David Heymsfeld, Sante decision of the House to utilize this budget au- evident in several communities in north Los Esposito, Ken House, Rosalyn Millman, Ward thority in a way that would not increase the Angeles County. Other than Northridge itself, McCarragher, Dara Schlieker and Jim Zoia on deficit but would have benefited the highway the community which probably suffered the the minority side. program was a better course to take. I regret most was the city of Santa Clarita, which was I am pleased to bring this critical legislation the Senate did not agree. flooded with traffic following the destruction of to the House for approval and then promptly Nevertheless, this conference report is wor- the freeway interchange between I±5 and send it to the President for his signature. I thy of the support of every member of the State route 14. I understand that even in nor- urge all my colleagues to give them their full house and I urge my colleagues to approve mal circumstances, existing highways in Santa fledged support to this historic legislation. the conference report and approve the Na- Clarita are overcrowded since the system of Mr. PETRI. Mr. Speaker, I strongly support tional Highway System. roads currently in place was designed over 30 this conference report to accompany S. 440, Ms. BROWN of Florida. Mr. Speaker, I rise years ago. Since that time, Santa Clarita has the National Highway System Designation Act in support of the conference report for S. 440, been among the fastest growing cities in Cali- of 1995. I want to acknowledge the efforts and the National Highway System Designation Act fornia and a major traffic problem in the area. contributions of all the House and Senate con- of 1995. This bill designates approximately I hope that in the future, we may look to ad- ferees, as well as the critical assistance of 161,000 miles of highways in the United dress two transportation needs in the area that Rodney Slater, the Federal Highway adminis- States as components of the National High- have been brought to my attention, the inter- trator, who was ready at all hours of the day way System [NHS] and includes $6.5 billion changes around I±5 and Route 126. Both of to meet and give his advice and counsel as for States to use for Federal highways. Under these routes are on the NHS and if these two the conferees worked on this conference re- the bill's formula, Florida would receive ap- interchanges and adjacent roadways require port these past several weeks. proximately $234 million a year. major improvements and I hope to work with S. 440 will designate 160,000 miles of our I want to thank Congressman RAHALL, the gentleman from California to help him ad- Nation's most important roads as the National Chairman SHUSTER, Congressman OBERSTAR, dress these needs. Highway System. A dedicated source of Fed- Congressman PETRI, as well as former Chair- At this time, I would like to recognize a lead- eral funds, authorized at $3.6 billion annually, man Norman Mineta for helping us to find er in the highway community for over 40 is reserved for these roads. In addition, ap- Federal funds to replace Jacksonville's Fuller years, Les Lamm, who passed away on No- proval of this conference report will lead to the Warren Bridge. These funds will be combined vember 1. Les Lamm was elected president of release of over $6 billion in National Highway with State and local fundsÐthis is truly a Fed- the Highway Users Federation on March 1, System and Interstate maintenance funds eral-State partnership. 1986 and served in that capacity until January which have been withheld from the States As many of my colleagues may know, I 15, 1995. Les was counselor to the president since October 1 of this year. have been working on this project for 3 years. of the Highway Users Federation until his S. 440 also sets up a process for the des- The need to replace the Fuller Warren Bridge death. A civil engineering graduate of Norwich ignation and approval of intermodel connec- has been recognized by local, State, and Fed- University in Vermont, he completed post- torsÐroads connecting the NHS to ports, air- eral transportation officials because its struc- graduate studies at Harvard University, MIT, ports, rail yards and the like. Until these con- tural deficiencies have resulted in very serious and the University of Maryland. Les came to nectors can be initially approved by the Con- safety and traffic congestion problems for a the federation after a 31-year career with gress, interim eligibility provisions are in- transportation edifice that is the gateway to FHWA, and its forerunner, the U.S. Bureau of cluded. The interim eligibility provision refers our Nation's third largest State. Public Roads. In 1973, he became FHWA's to a project to construct an intermodal connec- Built in 1954, the Fuller Warren Bridge is executive Director, the Agency's top career tor. The definition of the word construct is al- functionally obsolete, its lane widths are insuf- professional. In 1982, President Reagan ap- ready defined very broadly in title 23. It is our ficient, and it lacks safety shoulders. Con- pointed Mr. Lamm FHWA Deputy Adminis- intention that the word construct in this section sequently, Florida's Department of Transpor- trator. Between 1973 and 1986, he worked is to be read very broadly to include not only tation has identified this segment of I±95 to be with six U.S. Secretaries of Transportation, construction and reconstruction projects, but a high accident location. In the past five years, helping direct more than $100 billion in Fed- also projects involving resurfacing. Restora- 604 accidents have occurred along this seg- eral aid to highway programs. tion, rehabilitation, and operational improve- ment resulting in economic losses exceeding Les was an incorporator of the Intelligent ments, such as the installation of traffic sur- $16 million. Accidents occur frequently due to Vehicle-Highway Society of America and veillance and control equipment and comput- the sudden narrowing of I±95 from a six- to served as its president. erized signal systems. eight-lane roadway to a four-lane bridge. In November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13323 addition, the bridge's serious structural defi- partment to use a sizeable portion of $97.5 that, this bill includes legislative language ciencies in the last few years led to the bridge million from a transportation project that has which essentially writes into law the flexibility being closed for 6 days in January 1992 when been terminated for the Fuller Warren Bridge. that EPA has already indicated it will give engineers found cracks in the counterweights. On behalf of the city of Jacksonville, I thank all States. In 1993, the bridge was closed again when a of you. This new provision includes an opportunity 3-foot chunk of the bridge's roadway fell into Mr. Chairman, I would be remiss if I did not for States to secure interim approval of alter- the St. Johns River. mention my concerns about the provisions in native programs with EPA required to grant The new bridge will improve the substantial this bill which repeal our Nation's speed limit. the State the full amount of the proposed traffic congestion that exists for the traveling Repeal of the national speed limit law endan- credit during the interim period. This submis- public strictly because of the existing Bridge's gers the safety of all Americans. Some State sion must be supported by efforts in the State structural deficiencies. The severe traffic con- officials have already indicated their intent to to implement the program including developing gestion caused by the Fuller Warren bridge is immediately move to repeal safety laws if the regulations and securing legislative authorities. well known to both local and interstate travel- Federal programs are eliminated. In several As noted, EPA must approve the full ers. Each bridge opening lasts approximately States, speed limits automatically go above 65 amount of the credits claimed, where the cred- 5 minutes or more. These delays create sig- mph if the national maximum speed limit is re- its reflect good faith estimates. By this, we are nificant problems that affect traffic flow long pealed. If the national speed limit is repealed not asking EPA to consider the State's mo- after the bridge reopens. These bridge open- and we return to pre-1974 conditions, the Fed- tives but rather asking EPA to ensure that the ings lower the capacity and the level of traffic eral Transportation Department estimates that State's estimates are based on some basic service on Interstate 95. we will be faced with an additional 4,750 high- technical assessment that includes appropriate In addition to the frequent bridge openings way deaths each year, at a cost of $15 billion. technical and empirical data wherever pos- of 15 to 20 times a day, the narrowing of I± Who pays the price, if the speed limit is re- sible. However, EPA should not mandate any 95 from a six- to eight-lane roadway to a four- pealed? Taxpayers ultimately bear the cost for presumptive discount and should review and lane bridge adds to the problems encountered emergency medical and police response, med- consider any alternative programs on their in- by traffic on the approach to the Fuller Warren ical treatment, days or years of lost productiv- dividual merits. Bridge. The resulting bottlenecks back up traf- ity, disability compensation for the motor vehi- With these additions, I am confident that the fic for several miles on each side of St. Johns cle crashes that will result from higher speed inspection and maintenance provisions of the River delaying motorists for upwards of 30 to limits. Clean Air Act can provide economical emis- 45 minutes for each bridge opening. When the We know that speed is a factor in nearly sions reductions vital to move the country to- bridge fails mechanically because of the lift one-third of all traffic fatalities and that motor ward the national goal of clean air. mechanism, any detour that is implemented vehicle crashes already cost society more Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas. winds through the downtown area. When the than $137 billion every year. The health care Mr. Speaker, I am pleased that the National bridge's lift span failed in January, 1992, traffic portion is approximately $14 billionÐof which Highway System is finally being approved. had to be detoured for six-days and getting Medicare and Medicaid pay $3.7 billion or al- This bill will create for America in the 21st through Jacksonville was impossible as some most 30 percent. century what the interstate system has done motorists had to travel 60 miles to the west I strongly believe that we will see a dramatic for America in the 20th century. and utilize I±75. As a result of these delays, increase in highway death as a result of this As a Texan sitting on the Transportation fuel consumption is increased and the city of bill. I hope that I will be proven wrong, but I and Infrastructure Committee, I am particularly Jacksonville experiences decreased air qual- think that the supporters of the repeal will real- supportive of this legislation because it recog- ity. ize their mistake and we will be back on the nizes the importance of Interstate 35 as a The Federal Highway Administration House floor to correct it. high-priority corridor. I±35 is the only interstate [FHWA] has determined that existing Bridge Despite my concerns, I will support this con- in our Nation that connects Canada, Mexico, needs to be replaced with an eight-lane high ference report and ask President Clinton to and the United States. I±35 is particularly vital rise fixed span structure. The replacement sign S. 440 when it reaches his desk. to my home of Dallas and the entire State of bridge will provide greater traffic capacity, Mr. DINGELL. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support Texas because it serves as our main corridor needed safety refuge lanes, and the elimi- of the conference report on this important of trade with Mexico. nation of the frequent bridge openings and measure to continue the Nation's efforts to up- With the passage of the North American sufficiently address the safety and traffic con- date and expand its infrastructure of national Free-Trade Agreement [NAFTA] in 1993, trade gestion problems of the existing bridge struc- highways. with Mexico is expected to double by the end ture. I would like to draw the House's attention to of the century and quadruple between the The Fuller Warren Bridge replacement one provision that makes changes to the in- United States and Mexico within the next 25 project is underway. Engineering, Final De- spection and maintenance requirements in title years. The responsibility of Congress did not sign, and Right of Way Acquisition have al- I of the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990. end with that historic vote. Passage of the ready been funded. The parcels of land re- Effective inspection and maintenance of motor NHS is a continuation of developing an infra- quired have been acquired. Final design has vehicles is a cornerstone of this Nation's ef- structure that maximizes the benefits of this been completed. Construction is scheduled to forts to reduce air pollution. It should remain agreement. begin early in 1996. so since it happens to be one of the most The NHS represents some of our Nation's However, the remaining $185 million con- cost-effective ways of reducing emissions. most heavily traveled byways, containing 40 struction cost is unfunded. Of this $185 million Having said that, I have long had concerns percent of total vehicle travel and 75 percent cost, about $37 million would be non-Federal about the lack of flexibility exhibited by EPA in of heavy truck travel. More importantly to any- contributions provided by the State of Florida implementing the enhanced vehicle inspection one who travels our roads, the NHS means and $148 million would be Federal highway and maintenance mandate. It should be re- safety for travelers. Improvement of shoulders, funds, assuming an 80 percent Federal, 20 membered that the overly-prescriptive ap- controlled access, and divided lanes will help percent State split. proach that EPA originally embarked upon reduce accidents and fatalities. This past June, the Florida Department of was developed and implemented by the Bush However, while the focus of this legislation Transportation [FDOT] developed a plan using administration. Administrator Browner has is to designate the NHS, it also has many pro- local, State, and Federal funds to replace the since attempted to create more flexibility for visions with which I do not agree. Unfortu- Fuller Warren Bridge. The most important part States. EPA has dropped the Bush administra- nately, this bill would repeal the Federal speed of the plan is FDOT's decision to contribute tion's opposition to alternatives to centralized limit and allow States to have no speed limit $100 million of right-of-way bond funds, which inspection and maintenance programs and will at all if they wished. It would effectively repeal are now available for bridge construction in approve alternative approaches. It has also in- the motorcycle helmet requirement for individ- the State, towards the construction costs of dicated in recent policy statements that there uals under the age of 18. I believe that these the Fuller Warren replacement bridge. The will be no automatic discount for States that provisions seriously threaten our Nation's Jacksonville Transportation Authority [JTA] bring in these alternatives. highway safety. has stepped up to the plate and committed While these are the proper positions, there I support this bill simply because it will bring $25 million for the Fuller Warren Bridge. The remains some skepticism that the rank and file the State of Texas approximately final piece of the financial puzzle will come at EPA have truly open minds about letting al- $455,792,000 and identifies 13,389 miles from S. 440, the National Highway System bill ternative programs submitted by States re- which will be the top priority miles for America because it allows Florida's Transportation De- ceive the proper amount of credit. Because of as we move into the next century. H 13324 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 Mr. SHUSTER. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of action designed solely to evade Federal re- industrial areas, it is up to the State to de- myself, Surface Transportation Subcommittee quirements. termine if the scenic values of such areas merit protection as part of a scenic byway.’’ Chairman TOM PETRI, and ranking minority Unfortunately, the FHWA implemented its On June 14, 1993, the FHWA Associate Ad- member of the Surface Transportation Sub- revised segmentation policy in a sporadic ministrator for Program Development issued committee NICK RAHALL, I submit the following manner. As a result, there is broad confusion on informational letter to this effect as well. statement for the RECORD. among the States regarding the scope of A copy of the legal opinion and the informa- Section 314 of the bill amends subsection FHWA's authority in this area. The FHWA tional letter are attached. (S) of title 23. Under this provision, it is clari- failed to issue any specific guidance to the From its visual inspection of the sections fied that States have the sole discretionary au- States on how to implement segmentation in a of the commercial and industrial areas adja- thority to determine whether to permit the con- manner that it would not be seen solely as an cent of federal-aid primary portions of the Virginia Byways comprising the trails ref- struction and maintenance of new outdoor ad- effort to evade the requirements of section erenced hereinbefore, VDOT has determined vertising structures within commercial and in- 131(S) that prohibit billboards in truly scenic, that such commercial and industrial areas dustrial segments of scenic byways. It has the noncommercial areas. do not have scenic values that merit protec- further effect of modifying the standards under Accordingly, the statement of manager's tion as part of the Virginia Byways. There- which section 1047 of ISTEA is implemented. language emphasizes that the conference fore, commensurate with the federal legal Scenic byway programs are created by substitute codifies the current implementation opinion and administration’s clarification States with their own unique criteria for des- of section 131(S) in order to specifically freeze referenced hereinbefore, the General Assem- bly of Virginia can amend the Acts of Assem- ignating scenic byways. The provision clarifies in place a congressional finding that compli- bly, 1993 (H.R. 2068) to delete the Virginia that if a State determines that a segment is in- ance with the methodology and procedures Byway designation of portions of highways consistent with a State's criteria for designat- followed by Virginia are sufficient to establish therein adjacent to commercial and indus- ing such roads, it may segment out those por- that a State has a reasonable basis for ex- trial areas through enactment of a bill con- tions from the designation and may choose to cluding certain scenic byways segments in a taining the attached language without im- erect new billboards on those segments. manner consistent with that State's scenic by- pacting VDOT’s ability to comply with The provision also clarifies that the Sec- ways criteria. In this regard, the Virginia De- ISTEA and other federal mandates a re- retary of Transportation's authority is limited to quired to receive its full share of federal partment of Transportation made its deter- monies appropriated for transportation pro- assuring that a State has a reasonable basis mination based on onsite inspection of individ- grams. for excluding a segment of an interstate or ual byways and identified the existing and fu- Moreover, the Virginia Byway and Trail Federal-aid primary highway from scenic by- ture commercial and industrial areas within signs are in place and can continue to be ways designation consistent with the State's those corridors that it determined to exclude maintained if the commercial and industrial scenic byway criteria, and that the State's ac- from scenic designation. areas are excluded from the byway designa- tion is not solely intended to evade Federal re- The review of Virginia byway designation for tion. quirements regarding the prohibition of new the Lonesome Pine and Daniel Boone Herit- In contrast, the language in section 314, billboards on scenic byways. Where a State age Trails is inserted in the RECORD as a spe- consistent with FHWA's current policy, does exclusion is reasonable, that determination is cific example of sufficient State action nec- not permit categorical exclusions of commer- controlling. essary to show the State has a reasonable cial and industrial areas from State designated One of the Federal Highway Administra- basis for excluding certain scenic byways seg- scenic byways without consideration of wheth- tion's very first actions after the enactment of ments in a manner consistent with that State's er those areas are consistent or inconsistent ISTEA was to issue an advisory that con- scenic byways criteria. The review is as fol- with the State's own criteria. For example, the strued the provisions of subsection (S) to pro- lows: State of Louisiana proposed legislation to ex- clude commercial and industrial areas from hibit the construction of all new billboards on REVIEW OF VIRGINIA BYWAY DESIGNATION any State-designated scenic byways, including LONESOME PINE AND DANIEL BOONE HERIT- scenic byway legislation. In a May 17, 1995, commercial and industrial areas incorporated AGE TRAILS FHWA memorandum on the Louisiana legisla- within the byway. The FHWA's preemption In July 1994, the Virginia Department of tion, FHWA stated: policy was wrong as a matter of law because Transportation (VDOT) conducted a review The proposed language automatically ex- of the portions of the highways within the cludes commercial and industrial areas from it conflicted directly with the basic structure of the Louisiana byways system without con- the Highway Beautification Act that expressly federal-aid primary system of highways, as that system existed on June 1, 1991, which sideration of the intrinsic qualities con- preserves the authority of the States to control comprise the Trail of the Lonesome Pine and tained in the Louisiana byways criteria outdoor advertising in commercial and indus- the Daniel Boon Heritage Trail designated as within those areas. To exclude any commer- trial areas adjacent to controlled highways. Virginia Byways by the General Assembly. cial or industrial area from scenic byway The policy was ill conceived as a practical The review was limited to adverse impacts designation it must be determined that there matter as well. The FHWA interpretation the byway designation had due to restricted is an absence of these intrinsic qualities. forced the States against their will to extend use of property zones commercial or indus- Section 314 of the conference report makes scenic byways regulation to inherently trial by the local governments and unzoned it clear that a State's determination to exempt nonscenic areas. It also compromised eco- commercial or unzoned industrial areas de- specific scenic byways segments for new bill- fended by the Commonwealth Transpor- nomic development along scenic byways by board construction is also dispositive in the tation Board, hereinafter, commercial or in- implementation of any scenic byways program impairing the ability of travel and tourism busi- dustrial areas, to comply with the Inter- nesses within those areas to advertise them- modal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act promulgated under section 1047 of ISTEA. In selves to the users of the highway. of 1991 (ISTEA). May 1995, the FHWA issued a national scenic As the folly of this policy became clear, It was determined that compliance with byways program interim policy, FHWA Docket FHWA reversed its position and issued a seg- Section 1046(c) of the ISTEA amendments to No. 95±15. Section 11 of that policy parallelled mentation policy in June 1993 that recognized Section 131(s) of Title 23 of the U.S.C. re- the provisions of 131(S) and prohibited new State discretion to permit new billboards within stricted 174 existing uses, 192 potential uses billboards on those segments of controlled and 58 miles of commercial or industrial highways that are State-designated scenic by- the commercial and industrial segments that areas adjacent to the 247 miles of the Vir- punctuate virtually every scenic byway. In a ways. However, section 11 further required the ginia Byways which are classified as federal- States to prohibit billboards on portions of the June 14, 1993 FHWA memorandum, it states: aid primary highways. The byways traverse Scenic byways designated before, on, or to go through 13 cities or incorporated interstate and Federal-aid systems incor- after December 18, 1991, need not be continu- towns. porated into the national scenic byways pro- ous. A State may wish to exclude from exist- Subsequent to the designation of the trials gram even where those roads were not a ing or future scenic byway designation high- as Virginia Byways, the Federal Highway State designated scenic byway. As such, this way sections that have no scenic value, and Administration (FHWA) Deputy Chief Coun- second provision in section 11 is completely which have been designated solely to pre- sel issued a legal opinion on May 13, 1993 as inconsistent with section 131(S) which limits serve system continuity. We do not find that to the meaning of 23 U.S.C. 131(s). The legal the scope of the prohibition on new billboards section 131(S) restricts a State from taking opinion, in part, included the statement to State-designated scenic byways. Likewise, administrative action to remove from scenic ‘‘Under ISTEA, Congress left to a State’s dis- byway designation any section lacking in cretion the designation of a scenic byway the provision undermines the FHWA's own scenic value which was included for continu- under the State’s scenic byway program. segmentation policy because it eliminates a ity purposes. However, the exclusion of a There was no limitation as to what highways State's discretion to exclude portions of its highway section must have a reasonable a State could designate as scenic byways. If roads from scenic byway regulations and has basis. The Federal interest is in preventing such highways pass through commercial and chilled the nomination process. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13325 The conference report resolves these issues legislation, is of overriding concern in terms of The SPEAKER pro tempore. Without by making it clear that the authority of the national need and public interest, and causes objection, the conference report is State's discretion to exclude segments from this gentleman from West Virginia to urge the agreed to. scenic byways designation under 131(S) ap- speedy enactment of this legislation. There was no objection. plies equally with respect to any action by the It is true that I am no fan of repealing the A motion to reconsider was laid on Secretary pursuant to section 1047. Accord- national speed limit. that repeal is included in the table. ingly, FHWA may not engage in rulemaking, the conference agreement. f or take any administrative action under either And it is true that I am deeply concerned, FURTHER CONTINUING APPRO- section 131(S) or section 1047, that has the and have grave misgivings, over the potential PRIATIONS, FISCAL YEAR 1996 effect of preempting or compromising the adverse safety consequences of provisions of States' discretion. As a result, the Secretary this legislation aimed at minimizing Federal Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I does not have the authority to compel a State regulation of delivery trucks, as well as hours move to suspend the rules and pass the to seek the prior approval of the Secretary for of service waivers for a number of trucking joint resolution (H.J. Res. 123), making its actions in this regard. Rather, the Sec- sectors. further continuing appropriations for retary's authority is limited to a determination, These items would not be in a bill that I fiscal year 1996, and for other purposes. after the fact, of whether a State had a rea- crafted. The Clerk read as follows: sonable basis for excluding a segment of a Yet, it is the majority will of both the House H.J. RES. 123 scenic byway consistent with its scenic by- and Senate that these provisions be contained Resolved by the Senate and House of Rep- ways standards to determine whether the resentatives of the United States of America in in this legislation. We fought our battles over Congress assembled, That the following sums States' action was intended solely to evade them, and we fought them fairly under an are hereby appropriated, out of any money in Federal protection of truly scenic noncommer- open committee process and under an open the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, cial areas. In the event that the Secretary rule of the House floor. and out of applicable corporate or other rev- makes that determination, the State has the And so, as I have noted, many of us have enues, receipts, and funds, for the several de- ability to revise or withdraw its exclusion deter- misgivings over this legislation but all in all, it partments, agencies, corporations, and other mination. is a must-pass bill because without the des- organizational units of Government for the The implementation of sections 131(S) and ignation of the NHS, the States will continue to fiscal year 1996, and for other purposes, 1047 has been greatly complicated by the namely: be denied $5.2 billion in Federal highway SEC. 101. (a) Such amounts as may be nec- FHWA's overly expansive interpretations of its funds, and the Nation, as a whole, will suffer. essary under the authority and conditions own authority. Through section 314 of the con- I commend this conference report to the provided in the applicable appropriations ference report, the Congress has made it clear House and urge its adoption. Acts for the fiscal year 1995 for continuing that the discretion is vested with the States Mr. NADLER. Mr. Speaker, the residents of the following projects or activities including alone to exempt segments of scenic byways the West Side of Manhattan, the local elected the costs of direct loans and loan guarantees from the billboard prohibition and to make rea- officials from New York City, the Council for (not otherwise specifically provided for in sonable judgments regarding the location of this joint resolution) which were conducted Citizens Against Government Waste, the Na- in the fiscal year 1995: billboards in those areas. The FHWA should tional Taxpayers Union, the Porkbusters Coali- (1) All projects and activities necessary to immediately make appropriate revisions to its tion, and now the House and Senate, for the provide for the expenses of Medicare contrac- national scenic byway program interim policy second time, have made it clear; they do not tors under title XVIII of the Social Security and take other steps to reaffirm the broad au- want the Federal Government to pay $300 mil- Act under the account heading ‘‘Program thority of States' discretion under sections lion to move a newly refurbished highway in management’’ under the Health Care Financ- 131(S) and 1047. my district so that the tenants of Donald ing Administration in the Department of Mr. RAHALL. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support Health and Human Services. Trump's proposed luxury high-rise Riverside (2) All projects and activities funded under of the conference agreement on this legisla- South development will have an unobstructed the account heading ‘‘Limitation on admin- tion to designate the National Highway Sys- view of the Hudson River. istrative expenses’’ under the Social Secu- tem. As most of the Members of this body know rity Administration. As I look back over the legislative process by now I have been working for several years (3) All projects and activities necessary to that brought us to finalizing this conference to kill the Trump-backed, $300 million Miller process and provide for veterans compensa- agreement, I can best describe it in the words tion, pension payments, dependency and in- Highway relocation project in my own congres- demnity compensation (DIC) payments, and of the Grateful Dead: ``What a long strange sional district. I am pleased to say that be- trip it's been.'' to provide for veterans medical care under cause of the language in this NHS conference the Department of Veterans Affairs. I say this because this body first passed report, any plans to use taxpayer funds for this (b) Whenever the amount which would be NHS designation legislation last year. ill-conceived project are now defunct. The lan- made available or the authority which would We did it more than a full year before the guage in this report takes away all remaining be granted under an Act which included October 1, 1995, deadline that caused the se- ISTEA funding for this porkbarrel boondoggle. funding for fiscal year 1996 for the projects and activities listed in this section as passed questration of $5.2 billion worth of Federal I want to take this opportunity to thank Chair- highway funds to the States. Yet, at the time, by the House as of October 1, 1995, is dif- man SHUSTER and Ranking Member OBER- the Senate refused to conference with us. ferent from that which would be available or STAR for their work in conference to ensure And I say this because this year, after both granted under such Act as passed by the Sen- this project was not allowed to proceed. This ate as of October 1, 1995, the pertinent bodies passed NHS bills, the conference is a victory for good government, but most of project or activity shall be continued at a lasted approximately 8 weeks, during which all, it is a victory for the American taxpayer rate for operations not exceeding the average time we considered a number of strange and who would have been asked to pay the bill. of the rates permitted by the action of the wondrous proposals advanced by the other House or the Senate under the authority and body. GENERAL LEAVE conditions provided in the applicable appro- Meanwhile, the States have now been sub- Mr. OBERSTAR. Mr. Speaker, I ask priations Act for the fiscal year 1995. jected to the loss of all Federal Interstate unanimous consent that all Members (c) Whenever an Act which included fund- maintenance and NHS funds for a month and may have 5 legislative days in which to ing for fiscal year 1996 for the projects and revise and extend remarks and include activities listed in this section has been a half now. passed by only the House or only the Senate It has been a long strange trip indeed, but extraneous material on the conference report on the Senate bill, S. 440. as of October 1, 1995, the pertinent project or that trip is now coming to an end. activity shall be continued under the appro- We bring before the House this day a con- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there priation, fund, or authority granted by the ference report that at least accomplishes the objection to the request of the gen- one House at a rate for operations not ex- fundamental purpose of this whole exercise: tleman from Minnesota? ceeding the current rate or the rate per- the designation of a new National Highway There was no objection. mitted by the action of the one House, System in this country that will be the center- Mr. OBERSTAR. Mr. Speaker, I with- whichever is lower, and under the authority piece of the post-interstate era. draw my reservation of objection. and conditions provided in the applicable ap- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there propriations Act for the fiscal year 1995. In effect, the crown jewels of America's SEC. 102. Appropriations made by section highways. objection to the request of the gen- 101 shall be available to the extent and in the That designation, despite the misgivings tleman from Pennsylvania? manner which would be provided by the per- many of us have over other aspects of this There was no objection. tinent appropriations Act. H 13326 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 SEC. 103. No appropriations or funds made lege. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous operate the national parks and monu- available or authority granted pursuant to consent that the motion be amended to ments. section 101 shall be used to initiate or re- include an amendment in the joint res- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the sume any project or activity for which ap- olution. gentleman from Louisiana yield for propriations, funds, or other authority were not available during the fiscal year 1995. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the that purpose? SEC. 104. No provision which is included in gentleman from Louisiana yield for the Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I an appropriations Act enumerated in section purpose stated by the gentleman from maintain my objection for reasons 101 but which was not included in the appli- Mississippi? which I will state shortly. cable appropriations Act for fiscal year 1995 Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I do The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- and which by its terms is applicable to more not yield at this time. tleman does not yield. than one appropriation, fund, or authority REQUEST TO AMEND HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION REQUEST TO AMEND HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION shall be applicable to any appropriation, 123 123 fund, or authority provided in this joint res- Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I would ask olution. Mr. OBEY. I would appreciate it if SEC. 105. Unless otherwise provided for in the gentleman would at least let me unanimous consent that the motion be this joint resolution or in the applicable ap- explain what it is I am doing. amended to include an amendment in propriations Act, appropriations and funds Mr. LIVINGSTON. Reserving the the joint resolution on page 2, after made available and authority granted pursu- right to object, Mr. Speaker, I yield to line 19, allowing for the Gallaudet Uni- ant to this joint resolution shall be available the gentleman. versity and the National Technical In- until (a) enactment into law of an appropria- The SPEAKER pro tempore. First, stitute for the Deaf to be funded so tion for any project or activity provided for the gentleman will state his unani- that they might not have to close in 10 in this joint resolution, or (b) the enactment mous-consent request. of the applicable appropriations Act by both days. Houses without any provision for such Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unani- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the project or activity, or (c) September 30, 1996, mous consent that the motion be gentleman from Louisiana yield for the whichever first occurs. amended to include language which purpose requested by the gentleman SEC. 106. Appropriations made and author- would insert in this bill, in its proper from Wisconsin? ity granted pursuant to this joint resolution place, the agreement on an entire CR Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I shall cover all obligations or expenditures that was offered to the Republican maintain an objection for reasons incurred for any program, project, or activ- leadership of the Congress last night by which I will state shortly. ity during the period for which funds or au- the President of the United States. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- thority for such project or activity are avail- able under this joint resolution. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the tleman does not yield. SEC. 107. Expenditures made pursuant to gentleman from Louisiana reserve the PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRIES this joint resolution shall be charged to the right to object? Mr. DELAY. Mr. Speaker, parliamen- applicable appropriation, fund, or authoriza- Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, at tary inquiry. tion whenever a bill in which such applicable this point, I would object. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- appropriation, fund, or authorization is con- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- tleman will state it. tained is enacted into law. tleman objects. Mr. DELAY. Mr. Speaker, is it within SEC. 108. No provision in the appropriations REQUEST TO AMEND HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION Act for the fiscal year 1996 referred to in sec- the rules of the House to make a state- 123 tion 101 of this joint resolution that makes ment when we are making a unani- the availability of any appropriation pro- Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unani- mous-consent request? Is it regular vided therein dependent upon the enactment mous consent that the motion be order of the House? of additional authorizing or other legislation amended in the joint resolution on The SPEAKER pro tempore. When shall be effective before the date set forth in page 2, after line 19, to permit all re- regular order is demanded, the Chair section 105(c) of this joint resolution. search projects and activities at the will ask whether or not the gentleman SEC. 109. Appropriations and funds made National Cancer Institute to continue. objects or yields for that purpose. available by or authority granted pursuant The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the Mr. DELAY. Parliamentary inquiry, to this joint resolution may be used without gentleman from Louisiana yield for regard to the time limitations for submis- Mr. Speaker. Am I allowed to ask for sion and approval of apportionments set that purpose? regular order on unanimous consent re- forth in section 1513 of title 31, United States Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I quests? Code, but nothing herein shall be construed maintain an objection for reasons The SPEAKER pro tempore. That is to waive any other provision of law govern- which I will state shortly. correct. The gentleman is allowed to ing the apportionment of funds. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- ask for regular order when there is a REQUEST TO AMEND HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION tleman does not yield for that purpose. reservation. 123 REQUEST TO AMEND HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. Speaker, par- Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. Speaker, in 123 liamentary inquiry. order to ensure that all military pay- Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unani- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- checks go out on time on December 1, mous consent that the motion be tleman will state it. I ask unanimous consent that the mo- amended to include an amendment in Mr. EDWARDS. Is a Member allowed tion be amended to include an amend- the joint resolution on page 2, after to complete his or her unanimous-con- ment in the joint resolution on page 2, line 19, allowing all nursing homes sent request before being cutoff by any after line 19, by adding the following safety and standards enforcement ac- other Member of the House? new paragraph. tivities to continue. The SPEAKER pro tempore. It is up Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I ob- Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I to the gentleman making the motion ject. maintain an objection for reasons to suspend the rules as to whether or Mr. DELAY. Mr. Speaker, reserving which I will describe shortly. not he yields for that request. the right to object. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. Speaker, in the The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the tleman does not yield for the purpose process of asking the unanimous-con- gentleman from Louisiana yield for the requested by the gentleman from Wis- sent request, is it proper that a Mem- purpose of the unanimous-consent re- consin. ber is cutoff before finishing the sen- quest? REQUEST TO AMEND HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION tence, which is part of the unanimous Mr. LIVINGSTON. No; I do not at 123 consent request? When one is not mak- this time, Mr. Speaker. Mr. WILLIAMS. Mr. Speaker, in ing any editorial comment about the The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- order to assure that America’s great request, one is simply making the re- tleman does not yield. national parks remain open, I ask quest, is it within the House rules to REQUEST TO AMEND HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION unanimous consent that the motion be cut off Members from making that re- 123 amended to include an amendment in quest? Mr. MONTGOMERY. Mr. Speaker, the joint resolution on page 2, after The SPEAKER pro tempore. It is Mr. 30,000 young veterans did not get their line 19, by adding the following new LIVINGSTON’s motion, and it is his pre- GI bill checks this week to go to col- paragraph: All activities necessary to rogative to yield or not yield. He has November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13327 permitted all of these unanimous-con- Treasury-Postal Service appropriations cannot reach an agreement in the days sent requests to be stated and has then bill. ahead, there will be others, there will objected by refusing to yield. The gen- Likewise, the House and the Senate be other attempts to address specific tleman is perfectly within his right. have now sent the National Security functions, many of which may have Mr. EDWARDS. So they can be ob- bill down to the President for his sig- been approached or suggested by the jected to before we finish asking the nature or his veto, whichever comes gentlemen that preceded me with those unanimous-consent request? first. motions. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- It is my great hope, Mr. Speaker, Upon the enactment of this continu- tleman does not have to yield at all. that he will sign that Defense bill, be- ing resolution, however, these activi- REQUEST TO AMEND HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION cause I understand that the President ties which I will describe shortly will 123 has already indicated his intention to be removed from any involvement in Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, one last deploy as many as 25,000 troops to the ongoing budget situation. These ac- unanimous-consent request. Bosnia. tivities will be able to maintain The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- This House went on record just yes- smooth, effective operations, and the tleman from Wisconsin [Mr. OBEY]. terday saying that it has not been in- people working on them will be able to Mr. OBEY. I ask unanimous consent clined to support that effort, yet the be paid. that on page 2, after line 19, that the President says he is not only going to Mr. Speaker, this continuing resolu- resolution may be amended to allow send those troops to Bosnia; he says tion provides funding rates at the aver- the continuation of all projects and ac- that he thinks that the Congress has age levels of the House and Senate fis- tivities of the FBI and the Border Pa- appropriated too much for the Defense cal year 1996 regular bills until the end trol and unemployment compensation Department. of the fiscal year or until the regular benefits activities. Now, which is it, Mr. Speaker? Does bill is signed into law, whichever is The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the the President intend to send troops to first, for the following items. gentleman from Louisiana yield for the Bosnia, and if so, how does he intend to Let me say, the last CR that will be purpose requested by the gentleman? pay for them? If he does not intend to sent down to the President—in fact, Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I send the troops to Bosnia, how does he the last two CR’s that have been sent maintain an objection for reasons intend to pay for the Defense budget? down to the President—called for a which I will state shortly. And is he truly concerned about how level at the lower of the House or Sen- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gen- the troops get paid? ate 1995 levels. This continuing resolu- tleman does not yield for that purpose. One of the issues that has been raised tion calls for the average of the House Pursuant to the rule, the gentleman by one of the gentleman who stood up and Senate or the House and last year. from Louisiana [Mr. LIVINGSTON] will at the well here a few minutes ago was So this is less restrictive than the con- be recognized for 20 minutes and the his concern that the troops be paid. tinuing resolutions have been for these gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. OBEY] This Congress in both the House and specific functions of Government. will be recognized for 20 minutes. the Senate has completed the National First, all expenses of Medicare con- The Chair recognizes the gentleman Security appropriations bill. Under tractors to determine claims and to from Louisiana [Mr. LIVINGSTON]. that bill, all of our troops will be paid. pay individuals and hospitals; second, GENERAL LEAVE Now, if the President is concerned all administrative expenses of the So- Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I ask about the welfare of the troops that he cial Security Administration to pay unanimous consent that all Members intends be deployed into harm’s way in benefits and to process claims; third, may have 5 legislative days in which to Bosnia, he will sign that bill. He will all expenses to provide for veterans’ revise and extend their remarks on the sign that bill and our troops will be compensation, pensions and medical joint resolution and that I may include paid. As soon as he signs that bill, it care, including paying benefits and tabular and extraneous material. will become law. However, if he vetoes processing claims. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there that bill, he will be saying that not Mr. Speaker, several of these activi- objection to the request of the gen- only does he intend to send troops to ties, the Social Security Administra- tleman from Louisiana? Bosnia to put them in harm’s way, but tion and Medicare, are directly linked There was no objection. he does not intend to pay them while to trust fund activities for which the Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I they are there. Now, that is absolutely funding has already been collected, and yield myself such time as I may ludicrous. the authority to administer these ac- consume. So I appreciate one of the gentlemen tivities needs to be granted and to not (Mr. LIVINGTSON asked and was who stood up and said that he was con- involve appropriations from the gen- given permission to revise and extend cerned about the welfare of the troops, eral fund. his remarks.) but I would urge him not to waste time The other one, the veterans’ com- Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I am with motions here on the floor and go pensation and pensions section, is an pleased to bring to the House this fur- to the President of the United States appropriated entitlement and, as such, ther continuing House Joint Resolu- and say, Mr. President, you should sign these benefits are required by law. tion 123 that would provide spending that bill, sign that national defense These are all extremely important authority for three important func- bill. functions, as are some of the functions tions of our Government, while action Now, Mr. Speaker, we all know how that have been detailed by the gentle- on appropriations is proceeding. hard and how difficult this process has men that preceded me in their motions. I think that it is significant, as I am been in the last couple of weeks, but we These are very, very important, and sure the gentlemen who authored the also know how and why this has oc- they need to continue, even though we alternative motions might agree, that curred. We also know that many activi- have currently found ourselves at a most of the Government has been shut ties of government can continue to op- budget impasse. down since last Tuesday; however, we erate under a determination that they Let me say, Mr. Speaker, that the are seeing significant progress. The are essential to maintaining the public budget impasse can be over today. The military construction bill has been health and safety, even though there is President could sign on to a 7-year bal- signed into law by the President. The no funding authority for those activi- anced budget agreement whereby the Agriculture bill has been signed into ties which have not yet passed into law scoring of the numbers would be per- law by the President. The Energy and at this time. formed by the Congressional Budget water bill has been signed into law by This continuing resolution would re- Office. He could sign on to that today the President. The Transportation ap- move the uncertainty of certain con- and this impasse would be over. propriations bill has been signed into tinued operations for several critical He has even said that he was for a 5- law by the President. Government functions, and I might year balanced budget, a 10-year bal- Today we have the agreement from add, this is the first shot. This is the anced budget, a 9-year balanced budget, the administration to sign the legisla- first rifle shot. If, in fact, the Congress a 7-year balanced budget, an 8-year bal- tive branch appropriations bill and the and the President of the United States anced budget; but of course he also said H 13328 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 that he was not for a balanced budget Mr. HOYER. I thank the gentleman Mr. MONTGOMERY. I thank the gen- at all. In fact, his most detailed presen- from Wisconsin [Mr. OBEY] for yielding tleman from Wisconsin for yielding me tation of a balanced budget, notwith- me the time. this time. standing the incredibly high levy of Mr. Speaker, this resolution points Mr. Speaker, I am going to support taxes that he imposed on the American up the politics of what we are doing. this resolution. It protects the veter- people 2 years ago, the most important This resolution points up that we are ans’ compensation and pension recipi- detailed budget that he has provided to playing a political game and 800,000 ents so they will receive their checks the people of America was last Feb- people are not working because of that on time, and that is 3 million veterans ruary when he gave us a budget that game. and survivors who have earned these called for $200 billion in deficits, this Hopefully we will pass 2 bills that checks. I wish this resolution would year, next year, the year after that, will put 200,000 of them back and send have included educational benefits for the year after that and as far as the it down to the White House. We have young veterans going to college. eye can see. been hearing on this floor that the only Mr. Speaker, 30,000 veterans did not reason that a resolution should be get their checks this last week. Thirty b 1345 passed and signed by the President is thousand will not get their checks next The President, of course, we know, to make sure that we have a balanced week. has been on all sides of this issue. budget. That is the critical issue, that I did not get the chance to even ex- We call on him to say, OK, focus your is the critical issue of the day. plain my unanimous-consent request; attention, Mr. President, on a balanced Guess what? This resolution is a it was to protect these educational budget, within 7 years, gives you plen- clean resolution. Very easy to do. We benefits so that 350,000 veterans can get ty of time. ought to do it for all of Government. their benefits for the rest of the year. Let us work together toward a bal- The chairman says he wants to see They are not going to be able to stay in anced budget, within 7 years, let us Government, the whole Government, school, Mr. Speaker, if we do not pro- agree on it today, and the rest of this funded. That is what the chairman just vide funds so the VA can pay these ben- budget impasse will be totally and ab- said. I quoted it and wrote it down. I efits. solutely irrelevant and unnecessary, am glad to hear that and I think he If there is another continuing appro- because we can fund all of the func- does. priation, which I heard the chairman tions of government, not just the emer- If you read these pages, there is not say may occur, I hope the GI bill gency functions, not just the most es- one word in here about a balanced checks will be included. sential, not just the most important, budget. Why? Because this is not the Also, Mr. Speaker, this resolution we can fund all of Government on a bill on which we will establish the bal- should have included insurance pay- glide path toward a balanced budget by anced budget, any more than a con- ments to survivors whose loved ones the year 2002. tinuing appropriation for the entire died. Three thousand five hundred of Well, Mr. Speaker, we are here with Government will be. That will be on these checks were supposed to go to this rifle shot on these very important the reconciliation bill. survivors of persons who had veterans’ issues because we are not so sure that And guess what? That bill was pulled life insurance last week. Some of them is going to happen. We think the Presi- today. That bill was taken off the cal- gave a lot of their life to the service, dent just may not meet us halfway and endar today. It was supposed to be con- and their survivors cannot get these may not see the opportunity to agree sidered. That is the bill that estab- benefits because the VA appropriation on a 7-year balanced budget. I cannot lishes. bill has not been signed. I hope that Not only that, we hear on the CR explain why not, because if it does not the next continuing appropriations will that we will go to December 3. But, happen, we want these three functions include these items. guess what? For these objectives, Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 of government funded. which I will support and are very im- minutes to the distinguished gen- When these other gentlemen stand up portant for our veterans, those receiv- tleman from Texas [Mr. EDWARDS], a and talk about these other functions of ing Medicare and Social Security, member of the Committee on National government, we want them funded, too. they, my friends, will go to the end of Security. We would like to get the whole Govern- the year. Is that not a nice political de- Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. Speaker, 11 ment funded, and the President has it cision? words, 5 seconds. Eleven words, 5 sec- within his hands and his opportunity to But very frankly private contractors onds. Today with 11 words and 5 sec- make sure that that happens. But if it who are working for Government and onds this House could have sent a mes- does not happen, we will approach, we whose employees are out in the street sage to every military man and woman will consider each one of the other is- are not going to get paid next week, or serving his or her country, whether sues that were raised a little while ago. maybe the week thereafter. they are in the United States or in the But right now we want to handle Guess what? This goes to the end of cold land of Korea that you will get these three issues. We want to make the year. We are not arguing about any your paycheck on December 1—five sure that these go into law and that date. And guess what even further, seconds it would have taken. the people who need the Medicare con- folks? We are talking about funding The words I was not allowed to say tractors to determine claims and pay levels, the lower of this, the lower of were simply to add with unanimous individuals and hospitals, the adminis- that and that is why we cannot send a consent, that I had hoped would hap- tration expenses of the Social Security CR down that the President will sign? pen, all Department of Defense activi- Administration to pay benefits and Average of the two. ties directly related to providing mili- process claims, and the people that Let me tell you, ladies and gentle- tary pay. need veterans’ compensation benefits men, the American public knows we That would have taken care of our and medical care, including benefits are playing games and they are blam- military families on their December 1 and processing of claims, the people ing all of us. paycheck. that need those will get attended to If we pass this continuing resolution The distinguished chairman of the without regard to this budget impasse. and said do all of Government under Committee on Appropriations said, I think that this is a good start to- these terms, I guarantee you the Presi- quote, we should not waste time on ward resolving a temporary crisis in dent would sign this bill. this unanimous-consent request today certain key areas of government. Let Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 on the floor of the House. us pass this continuing resolution and minutes to the distinguished gen- I would suggest that 5 seconds is not go on to other things. tleman from Mississippi [Mr. MONT- too much to ask to send a clear mes- Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of GOMERY], the ranking Democrat on the sage to our military families that they my time. Committee on Veterans’ Affairs. are going to get their paychecks on Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 21⁄2 (Mr. MONTGOMERY asked and was time on December 1. minutes to the gentleman from Mary- given permission to revise and extend The gentleman can make a point and land [Mr. HOYER]. his remarks.) point the finger at the President, that November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13329 he should sign the appropriations bill. closely, very closely. If the President lution. The 450,000 veterans who served That is his right. I think the President thinks we funded items in this appro- during wartime receiving pensions will should sign the bill. priations bill that he does not like, he get their checks on time when we pass But there are some important issues can send us a rescission bill, or he can this resolution. It is very, very impor- there. The B–2 bomber, the antiballis- send us a reprogramming. He has plen- tant. tic missile defense system, issues that ty of room to work with the Congress, It also provides that needed medical Republicans in this House fought over and we have tried to work with him in care and services will be available to that the President has the right to con- a bipartisan fashion on national de- our veterans and our veterans’ hos- sider. fense. pitals. All I am pleading with to the gen- There is nothing in this argument I agree with the gentleman from Mis- tleman is that let us take 5 seconds about Medicare or Medicaid, tax in- sissippi [Mr. MONTGOMERY], the distin- today, let us not fingerpoint. I can creases or tax reductions, balanced guished gentleman, I wish the GI bill point finger at the Republicans, you budgets or anything else other than had been included in this. I hope that can point your finger at the President. providing for the national defense and can be taken care of quickly. Because But I am not interested in pointing fin- the quality of life for those who serve that is not in here does not mean we gers. I am interested in paying the in our military. should not go ahead and take care of military families of this country on What are some of the things that the these veterans. time on December 1. President did not ask for and he is un- One of the very sad chapters in this Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I happy because we included them, any- whole dispute over veterans has been yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from way? We gave him $647 million to pay the politicizing of the VA, Veterans’ Florida [Mr. YOUNG], the distinguished for the contingency in Iraq that he de- Administration, by the Secretary, I be- chairman of the Subcommittee on Na- cided to send American troops to. We lieve, in scaring veterans, in causing tional Security. provided the money to pay for that. them to believe they are not going to Mr. Speaker, I would ask him to What is wrong with that? That is up get those checks. yield to me for one comment. There is a legal dispute as to whether Mr. YOUNG of Florida. I yield to the front, that is pay-as-you-go. or not the President could have done gentleman from Louisiana. Barracks repair. We provided money Mr. LIVINGSTON. I appreciate the to repair barracks that are in tragic it. Let us make certain, let us reassure gentleman yielding. condition. He did not ask for it. We our veterans today this Congress cares Mr. Speaker, I just want to say, I did provided it, anyway. about them and that we are going to not say that we did not have time. I Training shortfalls because of other ensure that they are protected. just objected to the gentleman’s mo- contingencies that the President spent Our veterans have already sacrificed. tion because it was extraneous for the money on around the world. We pro- We need not ask them to sacrifice purpose for which we are here today. vided the money to replace that. again. The President could have solved Mr. YOUNG of Florida. I thank the Breast cancer research, we added this easily with the stroke of his pen, I chairman very much. that. He did not ask for it. But if he think, a very clean CR with only the I would like to say, Mr. Speaker, the does not like any of these, he can send commitment to the 7-year balanced previous speaker said that 11 words us a rescission bill. budget with real numbers. could solve this problem and he and I So two words, William Clinton, will This is not a silly spat as some have both share the same goal. We want solve this problem with everything re- suggested. This is a serious debate over these people in uniform, their families, lating to the national Defense Estab- serious issues confronting our country. and the civilians that work for the De- lishment. But let us not let those most vulner- partment of Defense as well as the Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield my- able suffer the pain. Let us mitigate it other departments to get their pay- self 20 seconds. where we can. We will do that by the check, because a lot of them are not The fact is we have still not heard passage of this CR today. going to be able to make their mort- from that side of the aisle one reason Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield my- gage payments and their car payments why you could not have included these self 5 seconds. and their insurance payments and their other items including military pay. If you want to guarantee that pay, credit card payments and their grocery The fact is you are insisting that in accept the 11 words of the gentleman bills. It is not fair that these innocent order for the military to be guaranteed from Texas [Mr. EDWARDS]. That is the people are caught up in this. But I they are going to be getting their pay way to do it. want to say in all sincerity to my dis- that he ought to sign a bill which Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the tinguished friend who just spoke, there makes him spend $7 billion more than distinguished gentleman from West are two words that can solve this prob- he wanted to, which makes him buy 40 Virginia [Mr. MOLLOHAN], the ranking lem, and solve it today, and those two B–2s rather than the 20 the Pentagon Democrat on the State-Justice-Com- words are William Clinton. Sign that wanted, and you are holding him hos- merce Appropriations Subcommittee. bill that provides the appropriations tage for that. That is nonsense. Mr. MOLLOHAN. Mr. Speaker, I for the Department of Defense, that thank the ranking member of the Com- b was passed by this House in a strong bi- 1400 mittee on Appropriations for yielding partisan vote, that was passed by the Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I me this time. Senate in a strong bipartisan vote. yield 2 minutes to the distinguished Mr. Speaker, I have opposed the two President Clinton ought to sign this gentleman from Arkansas [Mr. HUTCH- recently passed continuing resolutions. bill. INSON]. I oppose them for fundamentally the Here is something that maybe his ad- Mr. HUTCHINSON. Mr. Speaker, I same reason that the President is visers have not told him. That nearly rise in strong support of this continu- forced to be in opposition. half of the money in the Defense appro- ing resolution. It is critical for our Na- It is really very simple. They are not priations bill that he wants to veto, tion’s veterans. clean. Tacked on to them are require- nearly half of that money goes for sala- The chairman of the Subcommittee ments to negotiate upon terms that ries and housing allowances and medi- on Hospitals and Health Care and I are the gentleman from Georgia [Mr. GING- cal care, quality of life issues for the vitally interested in their welfare. RICH] is proposing: a 7-year balanced people that serve in the military and The 2.2 million veterans receiving budget period, along with offensive who work as civilians for the Depart- compensation for service-connected economic assumptions. ment of Defense. It is not all big pro- disabilities will know their checks will Mr. Speaker, the reason that is offen- curement and big spending on industry. arrive on time when we do this today. sive to the President, the reason that It is for the people that are ready to The 308,000 widows, children, and other that is offensive, is because it requires risk their lives to protect freedom and survivors of veterans who have died of cutting too deeply programs that are to protect this Nation. service-connected disabilities will re- particularly important to the Presi- If there are things in the bill that the ceive their checks on time this Decem- dent, like cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, President does not like, listen to this ber when we pass this continuing reso- education, and veterans. H 13330 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 With regard to the limited continu- wolves into Yellowstone National answer a question? Would the chair- ing resolution before us today, Mr. Park. Those wolves are to be collared man of the committee, in a spirit of bi- Speaker, several minutes ago the dis- and monitored. That is not happening. partisanship, join with me in a unani- tinguished ranking minority member As Americans know, there is mineral mous consent request that as of Mon- of the Committee on Appropriations development going on right on the pe- day morning we open up and continue moved a unanimous consent request rimeter of Yellowstone National Park. the research at the National Cancer In- that: All projects and activities of the The National Park Service is working stitutes to look for cures for cancer Federal Bureau of Investigation and daily to try to protect the park. That and for AIDS? Will the gentleman the Drug Enforcement Administration is not happening now. These parks are agree to that unanimous-consent in and the Border Patrol be included. Mr. threatened. They could have been in- this bill? Speaker, that unanimous consent re- cluded, the opening of them, in this Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, will quest was not accepted. resolution. the gentleman yield? Although law enforcement agencies Again, I want to assure my col- Mr. DURBIN. I yield to the gen- have been granted a general exemption leagues I did not do it to embarrass tleman from Louisiana. from the governmentwide furlough, anybody. I did it to get the national Mr. LIVINGSTON. The gentleman there are a significant number of FBI parks open, and I am sorry my Repub- will not agree to the unanimous-con- and DEA agents who are not working. lican colleagues prevented me from sent at this time. However, he may at According to the Department of Jus- opening the national parks. some time in the future. tice, approximately 25 percent of the Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I Mr. DURBIN. I hope it is soon. Think FBI and the DEA personnel have been yield myself 30 seconds. If the gen- about that, ladies and gentlemen. furloughed. This equates to approxi- tleman would remain at the podium, I Can we possibly be debating whether mately 25,000 people, Mr. Speaker, who would like to pose a question to him. researchers at the National Cancer In- are not currently functioning in our The gentleman is aware that the Inte- stitute should be on the job Monday? front-line law enforcement agencies. rior appropriations bill has been on the You know, we can count the phone The granting of this request would floor twice. May I inquire how the gen- calls when people call and say they are have enabled these people to return to tleman voted on the motion to recom- upset because they did not get their work and thereby ensure that 100 per- mit on both of those? Social Security checks, they did not cent of our law enforcement personnel Mr. WILLIAMS. If the gentleman get their veterans’ checks. It is that would be on this job at this time. will yield, because I voted not to move kind of political pressure which has re- While I am not aware, as I have indi- the Interior bill through, I offered my sulted in this very measure that we are cated earlier, Mr. Speaker, the law en- unanimous-consent request today, and considering. forcement officials on the front line the gentleman objected to it. How can we measure the loss to this are not at work, we need a team out Mr. LIVINGSTON. The gentleman Nation if the research, the medical re- there, and it is too bad that the con- has voted not to open the parks twice search which we count on to find cures tinuing resolution could not have in- before today. for diseases to alleviate the death and cluded these critical functions. Mr. WILLIAMS. And you objected to suffering in America is not taking Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 my unanimous-consent request to do place? That is what is at stake in this minutes to the gentleman from Mon- it. debate. That is why it goes far beyond tana [Mr. WILLIAMS]. Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 whether the gentleman from Georgia Mr. WILLIAMS. Mr. Speaker, I thank minute to the distinguished gentleman [Mr. GINGRICH] gets an appropriate seat the gentleman for yielding me this from Maryland [Mr. WYNN]. on Air Force One, whether or not the time. Mr. WYNN. Mr. Speaker, under this President has his exact language. Just a few minutes ago I attempted bill, veterans’ checks, Social Security What we have at stake here are under a unanimous consent to offer a checks, Medicare checks will go out. 700,000 Federal employees sitting home unanimous-consent amendment that That is fine. without pay while Members of Con- would have, within this bill, opened But the important thing is this bill gress still receive their paychecks. America’s national parks. Now, I did illustrates the game that is being That is an outrage. not do that to embarrass anybody. I did played on the American public. What we need to hear are the voices not do that to embarrass our col- Because you see, this bill is what is of the American people who are sick leagues and friends on the Republican called a clean continuing resolution. It and tired of this political charade. To side. I did it to open America’s na- has no conditions. It has no time lim- think that we would even debate tional parks. its. There is nothing but the ability to whether or not the researchers will Today there are hundreds of thou- continue running these essential pro- come to work on Monday to proceed at sands of citizens on vacation. They grams, and there is a reason for that, the National Cancer Institute to look wanted to go into one of our national because they know that the outcry for cures for cancer, that is shameful. parks facilities. On an average day in over these programs would be so great I sincerely hope both political parties the United States, 726,000 Americans if those checks did not arrive that it take a look in a mirror or at the image are visiting a national park facility. would overwhelm them. we are projecting to the United States. Those facilities are closed. If my sim- So, meanwhile, folks at NIH, Na- The political pettiness behind this de- ple unanimous-consent request had tional Institutes of Health, who are bate has reached Olympic standards. been honored, those facilities could be doing cancer research are not at work. Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I opened very soon. Folks at NASA are not at work. The yield 2 minutes to the distinguished Some people have said to me, ‘‘Well, national parks are closed. The District gentleman from Virginia [Mr. WOLF], a PAT, you are from Montana. It’s snow- of Columbia government is closed. The member of the committee, the chair- ing out there. Your parks, like Yellow- GI bill checks are not arriving, and FBI man of the Subcommittee on Transpor- stone and Glacier are closed in the win- agents are not working. That is not tation. ter.’’ No, they are not. They are winter fair. That is not right. And that is not Mr. WOLF. I thank the gentleman. wonderlands. Yellowstone is open. necessary. Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, will Many hundreds of thousands of people We should have a clean continuing the gentleman yield? go to see Yellowstone in the winter. resolution. The Republicans should Mr. WOLF. I yield to the gentleman Large parts of Glacier are open. stop playing this game, this silly cha- from Louisiana. But there is another point along with rade. We can have a clean CR and put Mr. LIVINGSTON. I know the gen- the tourists, and that is our national the entire Government back to work. tleman is aware that the Labor-Health parks are in trouble, and the people Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 and Human Services bill, in which can- that take care of them have been ruled minutes to the distinguished gen- cer research is funded, has been stifled to not be all that essential in the work tleman from Illinois [Mr. DURBIN]. in the Senate by the preceding speak- force. For example, we just, the Fed- Mr. DURBIN. Mr. Speaker, could I er’s party member over in the Senate. eral Government, has just brought ask the chairman of the committee to It is being filibustered by the Democrat November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13331 Party in the Senate. That is why the Members get in this well talk about the Department of Defense had been research bill has not gone through the compromise and say we need to work pulled from various projects. That hap- House. toward a compromise. I remember the pens to include the C–17. Twenty-two Mr. WOLF. Mr. Speaker, I rise in sup- gentleman from Indiana saying that. world records are held by that port of the resolution. I am for a bal- But during one of the votes that we Globemaster cargo plane. anced budget by the year 2002. had here, CNN put on a little transposi- Now, what this means is a setback in But let me bring it back to some- tion of a press conference this morning defense production. There is no ques- thing that people are concerned about that the leader from the Senate, from tion, if the President does not sign a around the country, and that is the pay Kansas, and the Speaker of the House, commonsense resolution, 7 years to issue. I want to read a letter that I re- NEWT GINGRICH, had this morning. And balance the budget and to use CBO, he ceived from Speaker GINGRICH. I want what did NEWT GINGRICH say about it, will not only be putting out of work to read it slowly and also from Major- about the CR that we should be passing Government workers, who will be paid, ity Leader BOB DOLE. instead of this little one? No com- he will be putting out of work union He said: ‘‘Dear Frank,’’ and my name promise. No compromise. No com- and nonunion workers who will not be is FRANK. promise. Those are his words, his lan- paid. We will be sending soon to President Clin- guage. That is just what he said. Sen- Mr. Speaker, I suggest that the ton a bill to continue funding for the federal ator DOLE differed a little bit. He said, President wake up and start thinking government through December 1, 1995. Be- ‘‘You are not speaking for me.’’ about the implications of his lack to sides providing for government services, this Mr. Speaker, there is no question come to the table and deal with this bill also funds federal workers’ salaries. that I know that why we are here issue. If the President decides to veto this vital Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield my- legislation to keep government operating, today was a deliberative act on the Speaker’s part to show down the gov- self the balance of my time. the possibility exists that some federal The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. EM- works may be furloughed. In the event that ernment in order to try to get his ERSON). The gentleman from Wisconsin this takes place, it is our commitment that budget through. is recognized for 41⁄2 minutes. federal employees will not be punished as a Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, this propo- direct result of the President’s decision to seconds to the gentleman from Vir- veto funding for their salaries. Should this sition is what I would call the I-can’t- ginia [Mr. MORAN]. take-the-heat amendment. What has happen, we are committed to restoring any Mr. MORAN. Mr. Speaker, it has now happened, and I have turned this chart lost wages in a subsequent funding bill. been a week. I appreciate the fact that Again, we want to reassure you that if the on its side so that people can see it the Speaker has committed to pay ev- President vetoes the continuing resolution from a little different perspective, and requires federal workers to be fur- eryone who is not working, but are we what has happened is that so far four loughed, we are committed to restoring any committed to pay $1 billion for no appropriation bills have been passed by lost wages retroactively. work performance? The most common- the Congress. The White House has I want to say this: A promise made is sense thing to do is to include everyone asked that the Congress send the addi- a promise kept. There has been a prom- in this bill we are passing now. Put tional two which are ready to be sent ise made. There has been a commit- them back to work, because they are up to the White House up to the White ment made. And we are obligated to getting paid anyway. Then take the House so they can sign them. keep it. I expect it to be kept. lowest of the House or the Senate or That will still leave over 80 percent I believe it will be kept because it the President’s budget. That is the of the Government unfunded on the ap- must be kept. most commonsense thing to do. We propriations side, not because the Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 ought to start acting with common- President did not sign any bills, but be- seconds to the gentleman from Texas sense. cause the Congress has not sent them [Mr. DOGGETT]. Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I to him yet. I do not know how the Mr. DOGGETT. What you have just yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from President can be expected to sign bills read is a letter from Speaker GINGRICH California [Mr. THOMAS]. that have not gotten to him yet. saying that every one of these employ- Mr. THOMAS. Mr. Speaker, the gen- Then, because of this huge perform- ees, including all the ones that Mem- tleman from Illinois indicated that we ance gap in this Congress, what the bers on your side of the aisle have said should fund cancer research. I think Speaker and his allies are doing is say- probably were really nonessential truly the record should really show he voted ing: OK, Mr. President, because we anyway, you are going to pay every one against the CR and his President ve- have not done our work, we are going of them every penny they would have toed the CR that would have allowed to see to it that these hundreds of earned had they been on the job. And cancer drugs for real cancer patients thousands of Federal workers do not so my only question to you is: If you that are not now paid for by Medicare. report to their jobs until you agree to are going to pay them anyway, the It would have been breast tumors and blackmail, and until you agree to take American taxpayer has to foot the bill, it would have been prostate cancer. So our negotiating position on another why will you not let them work? everyone needs to understand his state- piece of legislation. Mr. WOLF. They should be back, and ments with cancer research were done Mr. Speaker, it is obvious that Mem- I will tell the gentleman, the adminis- for political reasons. He voted against bers on the Republican side of the aisle tration’s definition of essential and drugs to help real research patients. are feeling the heat, and so what they nonessential really does not make any Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I have done is produce what I consider to sense. yield 15 seconds to the gentleman from be essentially a political document. Mr. DOGGETT. That begs the ques- Indiana [Mr. BURTON]. They say: Well, Social Security is a hot tion. You are paying these people not Mr. BURTON of Indiana. Mr. Speak- button, so, all right, we will let Social to work when they ought to be work- er, what Speaker GINGRICH said this Security go. VA is a hot button, so we ing. morning on CNN, and I watched it very are going to let VA go. Medicare is a carefully, he said everything was on hot button, so we are going to let some b 1415 the table except one thing, and that of the activities in Medicare go. Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I yield one was that we have to have a balanced That is, as the gentleman from Mary- minute and five seconds to the gen- budget in 7 years scored by CBO. That land [Mr. HOYER], has said, a good po- tleman from Missouri [Mr. VOLKMER]. is it. He did not say there was no com- litical decision. But the right sub- (Mr. VOLKMER asked and was given promise. stantive position is to let all of those permission to revise and extend his re- Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I programs go, and let the entire Govern- marks.) yield 1 minute to the gentleman from ment function while we work out our Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, while California [Mr. HORN]. differences on the other piece of legis- you all were debating here all through Mr. HORN. Mr. Speaker, not only are lation which is not even supposed to be this day, I was at my home taking care Government workers affected, so are involved in this fight. of my wife, but I was kind of following those in private industry. Last night I Now, last night the President’s rep- everything going on here. I heard some learned that nationwide inspectors of resentatives made a reasonable offer to H 13332 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 the Senate, and Mr. GINGRICH turned it want to pay for cancer research, even Hobson Meek Schroeder Hoekstra Menendez Schumer down. Now Mr. GINGRICH and his allies though they know full well that bill Hoke Metcalf Scott are saying it is not negotiable; we must contains that cancer research. Holden Meyers Seastrand have a 7-year balanced budget, on CBO I have a modest proposal here. There Horn Mfume Sensenbrenner guidelines. is no argument on the worthiness of Hostettler Mica Serrano Houghton Miller (CA) Shadegg The President is simply saying: I these three items. Let us pass this bill, Hoyer Miller (FL) Shaw would like to see a balanced budget. get these three items fully funded, and Hunter Minge Shays But if you fellows are going to insist on worry about the rest. If you vote Hutchinson Mink Shuster whacking Medicare, and if you are Hyde Moakley Sisisky against this bill, you are against put- Inglis Molinari Skaggs going to insist on whacking Medicaid, ting all of these good people to work on Istook Mollohan Skeen if you are going to insist on smashing these worthy programs. Jackson-Lee Montgomery Skelton opportunity for kids who are trying to The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Jefferson Moorhead Slaughter Johnson (CT) Moran Smith (MI) go to college, and if you are going to question is on the motion offered by Johnson (SD) Morella Smith (NJ) insist on a huge tax cut, than you can- the gentleman from Louisiana [Mr. Johnson, E. B. Murtha Smith (TX) not responsibly get there in 7 years, LIVINGSTON] that the House suspend Johnson, Sam Myers Smith (WA) and so we may have to talk about a dif- Johnston Myrick Solomon the rules and pass the joint resolution, Jones Nadler Souder ferent timeline. House Joint Resolution 123. Kanjorski Neal Spence Because of that rational difference, The question was taken. Kaptur Nethercutt Spratt you are saying we are going to hold up Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I object to Kasich Ney Stark Kelly Norwood Stearns the entire Federal Government. I think the vote on the ground that a quorum Kennedy (MA) Nussle Stenholm this performance has been absolutely, is not present and make the point of Kennedy (RI) Oberstar Stockman incredibly, incredibly disgraceful. order that a quorum is not present. Kennelly Obey Stokes I would simply like to say this: When Kildee Olver Studds The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evi- Kim Ortiz Stump the American people voted to put you dently a quorum is not present. King Orton Stupak folks in charge in November, I think The Sergeant at Arms will notify ab- Kingston Owens Talent what they thought they were doing is sent Members. Kleczka Packard Tanner Klink Pallone Tate that they were going to force both par- The vote was taken by electronic de- Klug Parker Tauzin ties to work together. I think they vice, and there were—yeas 416, nays 0, Knollenberg Pastor Taylor (MS) thought they would end gridlock by now voting 16, as follows: Kolbe Paxon Taylor (NC) putting both parties in charge of oppo- LaFalce Payne (NJ) Tejeda [Roll No. 818] LaHood Payne (VA) Thomas site branches of Government so that we YEAS—416 Lantos Pelosi Thompson had to work together. Largent Peterson (FL) Thornberry Instead, what we are getting is a very Abercrombie Chrysler Fattah Latham Peterson (MN) Thornton Ackerman Clay Fawell different record. I will repeat what I LaTourette Petri Thurman Allard Clayton Fazio Laughlin Pickett Tiahrt said on the floor last week: When I Andrews Clement Fields (TX) Lazio Pombo Torkildsen chaired this committee last year, all 13 Archer Clinger Filner Leach Pomeroy Torres of these appropriation bills were passed Armey Clyburn Flake Levin Porter Torricelli Bachus Coble Flanagan Lewis (CA) Portman Towns on time, they were signed by the Presi- Baesler Coburn Foglietta Lewis (GA) Poshard Traficant dent, there was no need for a continu- Baker (CA) Coleman Foley Lewis (KY) Quillen Upton ing resolution, not a single Govern- Baldacci Collins (GA) Forbes Lightfoot Quinn Velazquez Ballenger Collins (IL) Ford ment worker was held out of work. Lincoln Radanovich Vento Barcia Collins (MI) Fowler Linder Rahall Visclosky Do you know why? Because I had a Barr Combest Fox Lipinski Ramstad Volkmer Speaker who allowed me to cross the Barrett (NE) Condit Frank (MA) Livingston Rangel Vucanovich aisle and talk to the ranking Repub- Barrett (WI) Conyers Franks (CT) LoBiondo Reed Waldholtz Bartlett Cooley Franks (NJ) Lofgren Regula Walker lican and say ‘‘Let’s work this out on a Barton Costello Frelinghuysen Longley Richardson Walsh bipartisan basis.’’ That is exactly what Bass Cox Frisa Lowey Riggs Wamp we did, and because we had a biparti- Bateman Coyne Frost Lucas Rivers Ward Becerra Cramer Funderburk san, functioning House, we were able to Luther Roberts Waters Beilenson Crane Furse Maloney Roemer Watt (NC) get that done. Bentsen Crapo Gallegly Manton Rogers Watts (OK) The reason that has not happened Bereuter Cremeans Ganske Manzullo Rohrabacher Weldon (FL) this year and we have this performance Berman Cubin Gejdenson Markey Ros-Lehtinen Weller Bevill Cunningham Gekas gap is that we have a different kind of Martinez Rose White Bilbray Danner Gephardt Martini Roth Whitfield Speaker. We are not going to have a Bilirakis Davis Geren Mascara Roukema Wicker different Speaker, but we had better Bishop de la Garza Gibbons Matsui Roybal-Allard Williams get a different attitude out of him if Bliley Deal Gilchrest McCarthy Royce Wise Blute DeFazio Gillmor McCollum Rush Wolf this country is going to survive this Boehlert DeLauro Gilman McDade Sabo Woolsey petty food fight which he has started Boehner DeLay Gonzalez McHale Salmon Wyden and insisted on keeping going. Bonilla Dellums Goodlatte McHugh Sanders Wynn Bonior Deutsch Goodling Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I McInnis Sanford Yates Bono Diaz-Balart Gordon McIntosh Sawyer Young (AK) yield myself the balance of my time. Borski Dickey Goss McKeon Saxton Young (FL) (Mr. LIVINGSTON asked and was Boucher Dicks Graham McKinney Scarborough Zeliff given permission to revise and extend Browder Dingell Green McNulty Schaefer Zimmer Brown (CA) Dixon Greenwood Meehan Schiff his remarks.) Brown (FL) Doggett Gunderson Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, we Brown (OH) Dooley Gutierrez NOT VOTING—16 Brownback Doolittle Gutknecht have witnessed an interesting spectacle Baker (LA) Jacobs Tucker Bryant (TN) Doyle Hall (OH) Brewster McCrery Waxman today. It was our original intention to Bryant (TX) Dreier Hall (TX) Callahan McDermott Weldon (PA) ensure that veterans, Social Security Bunn Duncan Hamilton Dornan Neumann Wilson Bunning Dunn Hancock recipients and Medicare contractors Fields (LA) Oxley Burr Durbin Hansen get some relief in this bill. Hayes Pryce Burton Edwards Harman Now we find that the same people Buyer Ehlers Hastert b 1444 who opposed the Defense bill all year Calvert Ehrlich Hastings (FL) want to pay defense salaries. We find Camp Emerson Hastings (WA) So, (two-thirds having voted in favor Canady Engel Hayworth thereof) the rules were suspended and the same people who voted twice Cardin English Hefley against the Interior bill want to open Castle Ensign Hefner the joint resolution was passed. the national parks. Now we find that Chabot Eshoo Heineman The result of the vote was announced the same people whose political party Chambliss Evans Herger as above recorded. Chapman Everett Hilleary has filibustered the Labor-Health and Chenoweth Ewing Hilliard A motion to reconsider was laid on Human Services bill in the Senate now Christensen Farr Hinchey the table. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13333 MOTION TO ADJOURN Klink Myrick Sisisky and FIELDS of Texas changed their Klug Nadler Skaggs Mr. LINDER. Mr. Speaker, I move Kolbe Neal Skeen vote from ‘‘yea’’ to ‘‘nay.’’ that the House do now adjourn. LaFalce Nethercutt Skelton So the motion to adjourn was re- LaHood Ney Slaughter The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. EM- jected. Lantos Norwood Smith (MI) The result of the vote was announced ERSON). The question is on the motion Latham Oberstar Smith (NJ) offered by the gentleman from Georgia LaTourette Obey Smith (WA) as above recorded. [Mr. LINDER]. Lazio Olver Spence f Leach Ortiz Spratt The question was taken; and the Levin Orton Stark RECESS Speaker pro tempore announced that Lewis (CA) Owens Stearns the ayes appeared to have it. Lewis (GA) Pallone Stenholm The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. EM- Lewis (KY) Parker Stockman ERSON). Pursuant to clause 12 of rule I, Mr. MORAN. Mr. Speaker, on that I Lightfoot Pastor Stokes demand the yeas and nays. Lincoln Paxon Studds the House will stand in recess, subject The yeas and nays were ordered. Lipinski Payne (NJ) Stump to the call of the Chair. The vote was taken by electronic de- Livingston Payne (VA) Stupak Accordingly (at 3 o’clock and 14 min- LoBiondo Pelosi Tanner vice, and there were—yeas 32, nays 361, Lofgren Peterson (FL) Tate utes p.m.), the House stood in recess answered ‘‘present’’ 1, not voting 38, as Longley Peterson (MN) Tauzin subject to the call of the Chair. follows: Lowey Petri Taylor (MS) f Lucas Pickett Tejeda [Roll No. 819] Luther Pombo Thompson b 2200 YEAS—32 Maloney Pomeroy Thornton Manton Portman Thurman Barton Hastert Roberts Manzullo Poshard Tiahrt AFTER RECESS Bliley Hostettler Roth Markey Quillen Torkildsen Bunning Houghton Shuster The recess having expired, the House Martinez Rahall Torres Burr Knollenberg Smith (TX) Martini Ramstad Torricelli was called to order by the Speaker pro Clinger Largent Souder Mascara Rangel Towns tempore (Mr. GOSS) at 10 o’clock p.m. Coble Linder Talent Matsui Reed Traficant Combest Myers Thomas f McCarthy Regula Upton Dreier Nussle Thornberry McCollum Richardson Velazquez Ehrlich Packard Waldholtz McDade Riggs Vento ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE SPEAKER Greenwood Porter Young (AK) McHale Rivers Visclosky PRO TEMPORE Gutknecht Radanovich McHugh Roemer Volkmer The SPEAKER pro tempore. The NAYS—361 McInnis Rogers Vucanovich McIntosh Rohrabacher Walker Chair desires to announce that pursu- Abercrombie Cooley Gekas McKeon Ros-Lehtinen Walsh ant to clause 4 of rule I, the Speaker Allard Costello Gephardt McKinney Rose Ward signed the following enrolled bills dur- Andrews Cox Geren McNulty Roybal-Allard Waters Archer Coyne Gibbons Meehan Royce Watt (NC) ing the recess today: H.R. 2020, H.R. Armey Cramer Gilchrest Meek Rush Watts (OK) 2126, and H.R. 2492. Baesler Crapo Gillmor Menendez Sabo Weldon (FL) Baker (CA) Cremeans Gilman Metcalf Salmon Weller f Baldacci Cubin Gonzalez Meyers Sanford White Ballenger Cunningham Goodlatte Mfume Sawyer Whitfield RECESS Barcia Davis Goodling Mica Saxton Wicker The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- Barr de la Garza Gordon Miller (CA) Scarborough Williams Barrett (NE) Deal Goss Miller (FL) Schaefer Wise ant to clause 12, rule I, the Chair de- Barrett (WI) DeFazio Graham Minge Schiff Wolf clares the House in recess subject to Bartlett DeLauro Green Mink Schroeder Woolsey the call of the Chair. Bass DeLay Gunderson Molinari Schumer Wyden Bateman Dellums Gutierrez Mollohan Scott Wynn Accordingly, (at 10 o’clock and 1 Becerra Deutsch Hall (OH) Montgomery Seastrand Young (FL) minute p.m.), the House stood in recess Beilenson Dickey Hall (TX) Moorhead Sensenbrenner Zeliff subject to the call of the Chair. Bentsen Dicks Hamilton Moran Serrano Zimmer Bereuter Dingell Hancock Morella Shadegg f Berman Dixon Hansen Murtha Shays Bevill Doggett Harman ENROLLED BILLS SIGNED Bilbray Dooley Hastings (FL) ANSWERED ‘‘PRESENT’’—1 Bishop Doolittle Hastings (WA) Mr. THOMAS, from the Committee Blute Doyle Hayworth on House Oversight, reported that that Boehner Duncan Hefley Buyer committee had examined and found Bonilla Dunn Hefner Bonior Durbin Heineman NOT VOTING—38 truly enrolled bills of the House of the Bono Edwards Herger Ackerman Fowler Quinn following titles, which were thereupon Borski Ehlers Hilleary Bachus Gejdenson Roukema signed by the Speaker: Boucher Emerson Hilliard Baker (LA) Hayes Sanders H.R. 2020. An act making appropriations Browder Engel Hinchey Bilirakis Inglis Shaw Brown (CA) English Hobson Boehlert Jacobs Solomon for the Treasury Department, for the United Brown (FL) Ensign Hoekstra Brewster Kingston Taylor (NC) States Postal Service, the Executive Office Brown (OH) Eshoo Hoke Callahan Laughlin Tucker of the President, and certain independent Brownback Evans Holden Clay McCrery Wamp agencies, for the fiscal year ending Septem- Bryant (TN) Everett Horn Crane McDermott Waxman ber 30, 1996, and for other purposes; Bryant (TX) Ewing Hoyer Danner Moakley Weldon (PA) Bunn Farr Hunter H.R. 2126. An act making appropriations Diaz-Balart Neumann Wilson for the Department of Defense for the fiscal Burton Fattah Hutchinson Dornan Oxley Yates Calvert Fawell Hyde Fields (LA) Pryce year ending September 30, 1996, and for other Camp Fazio Istook purposes; and Canady Fields (TX) Jackson-Lee b 1513 H.R. 2492. An act making appropriations Cardin Filner Jefferson for the legislative branch for the fiscal year Castle Flake Johnson (CT) ending September 30, 1996, and for other pur- Chabot Flanagan Johnson (SD) Ms. ROS-LEHTINEN, Mrs. KELLY, Chambliss Foglietta Johnson, E. B. Messrs. EVERETT, BRYANT of Ten- poses. Chapman Foley Johnson, Sam nessee, and BONILLA, Mrs. VUCANO- f Chenoweth Forbes Johnston VICH, Messrs. KASICH, SAXTON, Christensen Ford Jones BILLS PRESENTED TO THE Chrysler Fox Kanjorski LAHOOD, BURTON of Indiana, JONES, Clayton Frank (MA) Kaptur and STUMP, Mrs. JOHNSON of Con- PRESIDENT Clement Franks (CT) Kasich necticut, Messrs. FRANKS of Connecti- Mr. THOMAS, from the Committee Clyburn Franks (NJ) Kelly Coburn Frelinghuysen Kennedy (MA) cut, SMITH of New Jersey, QUILLEN, on House Oversight reported that that Coleman Frisa Kennedy (RI) DUNCAN, and HANSEN, Mrs. CUBIN, committee did on this day present to Collins (GA) Frost Kennelly and Messrs. SENSENBRENNER, FA- the President, for his approval, bills of Collins (IL) Funderburk Kildee WELL, BARTLETT of Maryland, the House of the following titles: Collins (MI) Furse Kim Condit Gallegly King SHAYS, BARRETT of Nebraska, BASS, H.R. 2020. An act making appropriations Conyers Ganske Kleczka ZIMMER, ZELIFF, COOLEY, ROGERS, for the Treasury Department, for the United H 13334 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 States Postal Service, the Executive Office H.R. 2126. An act making appropriations H.R. 2492. An act making appropriations of the President, and certain independent for the Department of Defense for the fiscal for the legislative branch for the fiscal year agencies, for the fiscal year ending Septem- year ending September 30, 1996, and for other ending September 30, 1996, and for other pur- ber 30, 1996, and for other purposes; purposes; and poses. h EXPENDITURE REPORTS CONCERNING OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL Reports and amended reports concerning the foreign currencies and U.S. dollars utilized by various committees of the U.S. House of Representatives during the third and fourth quarters of 1994 and the third quarter of 1995, as well as a report of foreign currencies and U.S. dollars utilized by a miscellaneous group, U.S. House of Representatives, in connection with official foreign travel, pursuant to Public Law 95–384, are as follows:

AMENDED REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1994

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Delegation expenses ...... 8/28 8/31 Republic of China ...... 3,611.80 ...... 3,611.80 Committee total ...... 3,611.80 ...... 3,611.80 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. FLOYD D. SPENCE, Chairman, Oct. 30, 1995.

AMENDED REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN OCT. 1 AND DEC. 31, 1994

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Delegation expenses ...... 11/19 11/21 Belgium ...... 1,620.00 ...... 2,665.87 ...... 4,285.87 11/24 11/27 Italy ...... 3,018.13 ...... 779.12 ...... 3,797.25 Committee total ...... 4,638.13 ...... 3,444.99 ...... 8,083.12 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. FLOYD D. SPENCE, Chairman, Oct. 30, 1995.

AMENDED REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JAN. 1 AND MAR. 31, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Name of Member or employee Country equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure Foreign currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Delegation expenses ...... 2/17 2/20 Panama ...... 37.25 ...... 37.25 Committee total ...... 37.25 ...... 37.25 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. FLOYD D. SPENCE, Chairman, Oct. 30, 1995.

AMENDED REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN APRIL 1 AND JUNE 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Delegation expenses ...... 2/17 2/20 Panama ...... 676.92 ...... 676.92 Thomas M. Donnelly ...... 5/30 5/31 Haiti ...... 200.00 ...... 200.00 Commercial airfare ...... 648.95 ...... 648.95 Committee total ...... 200.00 ...... 648.95 ...... 676.92 ...... 1,525.87 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. FLOYD D. SPENCE, Chairman, Oct. 30, 1995.

REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Hon. E. de la Garza ...... 8/11 8/15 Russia ...... 1,020.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,020.00 8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... 630.00 ...... (3) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... 999.00 ...... 134.40 ...... 1,133.40 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... 162.00 ...... (3) ...... 162.00 November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13335 REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995— Continued

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

8/21 8/24 Korea ...... 951.00 ...... (3) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 Committee total ...... 4,694.00 ...... 314.05 ...... 5,008.05 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. 3 Military air transportation. PAT ROBERTS, Chairman, Oct. 25, 1995.

REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Name of Member or employee Country equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure Foreign currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Hon. Tom Bevill ...... 7/1 7/2 United States ...... 167.00 ...... (3) ...... 167.00 7/2 7/6 Vietnam ...... 1,250.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,250.00 7/6 7/7 Thailand ...... 213.00 ...... (3) ...... 213.00 Hon. Tom Bevill ...... 8/5 8/8 Great Britain ...... 888.00 ...... (3) ...... 888.00 8/8 8/10 France ...... 666.00 ...... (3) ...... 666.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... (3) ...... 8/10 8/12 Greece ...... 490.00 ...... (3) ...... 490.00 8/12 8/15 Turkey ...... 786.00 ...... (3) ...... 786.00 Hon. Jim Bunn ...... 8/11 8/15 Russia ...... 1,020.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,020.00 8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... 630.00 ...... (3) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... 999.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,178.65 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... 162.00 ...... (3) ...... 162.00 8/21 8/24 Korea ...... 951.00 ...... (3) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 Hon. Jim Chapman ...... 8/11 8/15 Russia ...... 1,020.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,020.00 8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... 630.00 ...... (3) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... 999.00 ...... 134.40 ...... 1,133.40 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... 162.00 ...... (3) ...... 162.00 8/21 8/24 Korea ...... 951.00 ...... (3) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 Hon. Thomas Foglietta ...... 7/1 7/2 United States ...... 167.00 ...... (3) ...... 167.00 7/2 7/6 Vietnam ...... 1,250.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,250.00 7/6 7/8 S. Korea ...... 634.00 ...... (3) ...... 634.00 Commercial airfare ...... 3,345.95 ...... 3,345.95 Hon. Joe Knollenberg ...... 8/11 8/15 Russia ...... 1,020.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,020.00 8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... 630.00 ...... (3) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... 999.00 ...... 134.40 ...... 1,133.40 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... 162.00 ...... (3) ...... 162.00 8/21 8/24 Korea ...... 951.00 ...... (3) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 Hon. Dan Miller ...... 8/11 8/15 Russia ...... 1,020.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,020.00 8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... 630.00 ...... (3) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... 999.00 ...... 134.40 ...... 1,133.40 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... 162.00 ...... (3) ...... 162.00 8/21 8/24 Korea ...... 951.00 ...... (3) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 Hon. John Murtha ...... 7/14 7/14 Germany ...... (3) ...... 7/14 7/15 Croatia ...... 60.00 ...... (3) ...... 60.00 7/15 7/16 Belgium ...... (3) ...... Commercial airfare ...... 5,691.00 ...... 5,691.00 Hon. John Myers ...... 8/11 8/15 Russia ...... 1,020.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,020.00 8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... 630.00 ...... (3) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... 999.00 ...... 134.40 ...... 1,133.40 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... 162.00 ...... (3) ...... 162.00 8/21 8/24 Korea ...... 951.00 ...... (3) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 Hon. Ron Packard ...... 8/5 8/8 Great Britain ...... 888.00 ...... (3) ...... 888.00 8/8 8/10 France ...... 666.00 ...... (3) ...... 666.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... (3) ...... 8/10 8/12 Greece ...... 490.00 ...... (3) ...... 490.00 8/12 8/15 Turkey ...... 786.00 ...... (3) ...... 786.00 Hon. Harold Rogers ...... 8/5 8/8 Great Britain ...... 888.00 ...... (3) ...... 888.00 8/8 8/10 France ...... 666.00 ...... (3) ...... 666.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... (3) ...... 8/10 8/12 Greece ...... 490.00 ...... (3) ...... 490.00 8/12 8/15 Turkey ...... 786.00 ...... (3) ...... 786.00 Hon. Barbara Vucanovich ...... 8/11 8/15 Russia ...... 1,020.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,020.00 8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... 630.00 ...... (3) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... 999.00 ...... 134.40 ...... 1,133.40 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... 162.00 ...... (3) ...... 162.00 8/21 8/24 Korea ...... 951.00 ...... (3) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 Hon. Charles Wilson ...... 8/30 9/2 Sweden ...... 837.00 ...... 837.00 9/2 9/6 Norway ...... 1,088.00 ...... 1,088.00 Commercial airfare ...... 1,931.05 ...... 1,931.05 Sally Chadbourne ...... 8/5 8/8 Great Britain ...... 888.00 ...... (3) ...... 888.00 8/8 8/10 France ...... 666.00 ...... (3) ...... 666.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... (3) ...... 8/10 8/12 Greece ...... 490.00 ...... (3) ...... 490.00 8/12 8/15 Turkey ...... 786.00 ...... (3) ...... 786.00 Gregory Dahlberg ...... 7/14 7/14 Germany ...... 7/14 7/15 Bosnia ...... 60.00 ...... 60.00 7/15 7/16 Belgium ...... Commercial airfare ...... 3,180.75 ...... 3,180.75 William Inglee ...... 9/8 9/10 Japan ...... 786.00 ...... 786.00 9/10 9/13 S. Korea ...... 801.00 ...... 801.00 9/13 9/16 Indonesia ...... 771.00 ...... 771.00 Commercial airfare ...... 4,663.95 ...... 4,663.95 James Kulikowski ...... 8/5 8/8 Great Britain ...... 888.00 ...... (3) ...... 888.00 8/8 8/10 France ...... 666.00 ...... (3) ...... 666.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... (3) ...... 8/10 8/12 Greece ...... 490.00 ...... (3) ...... 490.00 8/12 8/15 Turkey ...... 786.00 ...... (3) ...... 786.00 Frederick G. Mohrman ...... 8/11 8/15 Russia ...... 1,020.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,020.00 H 13336 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995— Continued

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... 630.00 ...... (3) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... 999.00 ...... 134.40 ...... 1,133.40 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... 162.00 ...... (3) ...... 162.00 8/21 8/24 Korea ...... 951.00 ...... (3) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 Henry E. Moore ...... 8/28 8/30 Kuwait ...... 680.00 ...... 680.00 8/30 9/1 Qatar ...... 450.00 ...... 450.00 9/1 9/2 United Kingdom ...... 296,00 ...... 296.00 Commercial airfare ...... 5,242.45 ...... 150.00 ...... 5,392.45 Michelle Mrdeza ...... 8/12 8/16 Italy ...... 775.88 ...... 62.00 ...... 837.88 8/16 8/19 Russia ...... 864.00 ...... 4.00 ...... 868.00 8/19 8/22 Hungary ...... 549.00 ...... 277.60 ...... 826.60 Commercial airfare ...... 3,505.15 ...... 3,505.15 Juliet Pacquing ...... 8/27 8/29 United Kingdom ...... 650.00 ...... 650.00 8/29 9/1 Italy ...... 650.00 ...... 650.00 Commercial airfare ...... 4,109.00 ...... 4,109.00 ...... John G. Plashal ...... 7/14 7/14 Germany ...... 7/14 7/15 Bosnia ...... 60.00 ...... 60.00 7/15 7/16 Belgium ...... Commercial airfare ...... 3,180.75 ...... 3,180.75 John G. Shank ...... 8/22 8/28 Guatemala ...... 631.48 ...... 631.48 8/28 8/30 El Salvador ...... 362.00 ...... 362.00 8/30 9/1 Nicaragua ...... Commercial airfare ...... 1,415.95 ...... 1,415.95 Jeanne L. Wilson ...... 8/11 8/15 Russia ...... 1,020.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,020.00 8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... 630.00 ...... (3) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... 999.00 ...... 134.40 ...... 1,133.40 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... 162.00 ...... (3) ...... 162.00 8/21 8/24 Korea ...... 951.00 ...... (3) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 Committee total ...... 65,754.36 ...... 38,823.65 ...... 493.60 ...... 105,071.61

Surveys and investigations staff: Theodore J. Booth ...... 9/1 9/9 Korea ...... 1,756.25 ...... 3,415.31 ...... 6.00 ...... 5,177.56 Roger T. Castonguay ...... 9/17 9/23 England ...... 1,060.25 ...... 4,041.45 ...... 274.79 ...... 5,376.49 9/23 9/26 Germany ...... 393.25 ...... 393.25 G. Norman Christensen ...... 9/9 9/14 England ...... 905.50 ...... 4,381.87 ...... 210.91 ...... 5,498.28 9/14 9/19 Italy ...... 733.00 ...... 733.00 Robert D. Green ...... 9/9 9/15 Germany ...... 868.75 ...... 3,637.81 ...... 52.94 ...... 4,559.50 Carroll L. Hauver ...... 9/17 9/23 England ...... 1,060.25 ...... 4,041.45 ...... 255.28 ...... 5,356.98 9/23 9/26 Germany ...... 393.25 ...... 393.25 William P. Haynes ...... 9/9 9/14 England ...... 938.25 ...... 3,283.25 ...... 77.05 ...... 4,298.55 9/14 9/17 Austria ...... 672.00 ...... 672.00 9/17 9/19 Poland ...... 456.00 ...... 456.00 9/19 9/20 Switzerland ...... 254.00 ...... 254.00 9/20 9/23 Belgium ...... 867.00 ...... 867.00 Dennis K. Lutz ...... 9/9 9/14 England ...... 905.50 ...... 4,671.86 ...... 211.14 ...... 5,788.50 9/14 9/19 Italy ...... 733.00 ...... 733.00 Henry P. McDonald ...... 9/9 9/15 Germany ...... 868.75 ...... 3,185.74 ...... 67.55 ...... 4,122.04 David T. Mitchell ...... 9/9 9/15 Germany ...... 685.85 ...... 3,269.45 ...... 43.60 ...... 3,998.90 John D. O’Shaughnessy ...... 9/9 9/14 England ...... 938.25 ...... 3,283.25 ...... 142.54 ...... 4,364.04 9/14 9/17 Austria ...... 672.00 ...... 672.00 9/17 9/19 Poland ...... 456.00 ...... 456.00 9/19 9/20 Switzerland ...... 254.00 ...... 254.00 9/20 9/23 Belgium ...... 867.00 ...... 867.00 Robert J. Reitwiesner ...... 9/9 9/14 England ...... 942.75 ...... 4,880.29 ...... 303.87 ...... 6,126.91 9/14 9/17 Austria ...... 594.00 ...... 594.00 9/17 9/19 Poland ...... 456.00 ...... 456.00 9/19 9/23 England ...... 813.00 ...... 813.00 9/23 9/26 Germany ...... 363.00 ...... 363.00 R.W. Vandergrift ...... 9/14 9/20 Hong Kong ...... 1,645.00 ...... 3,458.95 ...... 430.28 ...... 5,534.23 9/20 9/25 Thailand ...... 855.75 ...... 855.75 Thomas L. Van Derslice ...... 9/9 9/15 Germany ...... 686.75 ...... 3,269.45 ...... 42.00 ...... 3,998.20 Donald C. Witham ...... 9/1 9/9 Korea ...... 1,843.75 ...... 3,415.31 ...... 7.20 ...... 5,266.26 T. Peter Wyman ...... 9/13 9/16 Korea ...... 821.75 ...... 4,606.63 ...... 227.00 ...... 5,655.38 9/16 9/20 Hong Kong ...... 1,334.50 ...... 1,334.50 9/20 9/25 Thailand ...... 815.00 ...... 815.00 9/25 9/28 Japan ...... 1,199.00 ...... 1,199.00 9/28 9/29 Okinawa ...... 288.75 ...... 288.75 H.C. Young ...... 9/13 9/16 Korea ...... 821.75 ...... 4,606.63 ...... 257.91 ...... 5,686.29 9/16 9/20 Hong Kong ...... 1,334.50 ...... 1,334.50 9/20 9/25 Thailand ...... 815.00 ...... 815.00 9/25 9/28 Japan ...... 1,199.00 ...... 1,199.00 9/28 9/29 Okinawa ...... 288.75 ...... 288.75 Committee total ...... 33,856.10 ...... 61,448.70 ...... 2,610.06 ...... 97,914.86 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. 3 Military air transportation. BOB LIVINGSTON, Chairman, Nov. 13, 1995.

REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Kathleen Holcombe ...... 7/1 7/5 United Kingdom ...... Pound 984.00 ...... 971.75 ...... 1,955.75 7/5 7/7 Belgium ...... Franc 556.00 ...... (3) ...... 556.00 John Cohrssen ...... 7/1 7/5 United Kingdom ...... Pound 984.00 ...... 760.65 ...... 1,744.65 7/5 7/7 Belgium ...... Franc 556.00 ...... 3 256.00 ...... 812.00 7/7 7/8 France ...... Franc 283.00 ...... 92.78 ...... 375.78 Hon. John Dingell ...... 8/12 8/15 Russia ...... Ruble 1,020.00 ...... (4) ...... 1,020.00 8/15 8/17 Ukraine ...... Ruble 630.00 ...... (4) ...... 630.00 8/17 8/20 France ...... Franc 999.00 ...... 134.40 ...... 1,133.40 8/20 8/21 Russia ...... Ruble 162.00 ...... (4) ...... 162.00 8/21 8/24 South Korea ...... Won 951.00 ...... (4) ...... 951.00 8/24 8/26 Japan ...... Yen 932.00 ...... 179.65 ...... 1,111.65 November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13337 REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995— Continued

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Name of Member or employee Country equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign currency or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Catherine Van Way ...... 8/21 8/25 Switzerland ...... Franc 1,016.00 ...... 800.15 ...... 1,816.15 Robert Meyers ...... 8/27 9/1 Switzerland ...... Franc 1,524.00 ...... 3,282.85 ...... 4,806.85 Committee total ...... 10,597.00 ...... 6,478.23 ...... 17,075.23 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. 3 Included with reimbursement issued to John Cohrssen. 4 Military air transportation. TOM BLILEY, Chairman, Oct. 19, 1995. REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Name of Member or employee Country equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure Foreign currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Hon. Constance Morella ...... 9/2 9/8 China ...... 6,351.00 ...... 4,163.95 ...... 449.54 ...... 10,964.49 Hon. Carolyn Maloney ...... 9/2 9/8 China ...... 6,351.00 ...... 4,404.95 ...... 449.55 ...... 11,205.50 Committee total ...... 12,702.00 ...... 8,568.90 ...... 899.09 ...... 22,169.99 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amound expended. BILL CLINGER, Chairman, Oct. 31, 1995. REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 Hon. Ike Skelton ...... 8/07 8/08 Spain ...... 564.00 ...... 564.00 8/08 8/09 Gibraltar ...... 0.00 ...... 0.00 8/09 8/10 Italy ...... 197.00 ...... 197.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... 0.00 ...... 0.00 8/10 8/13 Turkey ...... 786.00 ...... 786.00 8/13 8/16 England ...... 912.00 ...... 912.00 8/16 8/18 Belgium ...... 432.00 ...... 432.00 Hon. Solomon P. Ortiz ...... 8/07 8/08 Spain ...... 564.00 ...... 564.00 8/08 8/09 Gibraltar ...... 0.00 ...... 0.00 8/09 8/10 Italy ...... 197.00 ...... 197.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... 0.00 ...... 0.00 8/10 8/13 Turkey ...... 786.00 ...... 786.00 8/13 8/16 England ...... 912.00 ...... 912.00 8/16 8/18 Belgium ...... 432.00 ...... 432.00 Hon. Chet Edwards ...... 8/07 8/08 Spain ...... 564.00 ...... 564.00 8/08 8/09 Gibraltar ...... 0.00 ...... 0.00 8/09 8/10 Italy ...... 197.00 ...... 197.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... 0.00 ...... 0.00 8/10 8/13 Turkey ...... 786.00 ...... 786.00 8/13 8/16 England ...... 912.00 ...... 912.00 8/16 8/18 Belgium ...... 432.00 ...... 432.00 John D. Chapla ...... 8/07 8/08 Spain ...... 564.00 ...... 564.00 8/08 8/09 Gibraltar ...... 0.00 ...... 0.00 8/09 8/10 Italy ...... 197.00 ...... 197.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... 0.00 ...... 0.00 8/15 8/16 Slovakia ...... 394.00 ...... 394.00 8/16 8/18 Belgium ...... 432.00 ...... 432.00 Commercial airfare ...... 252.00 ...... 252.00 Delegation expenses ...... 8/10 8/13 Turkey ...... 1,040.01 ...... 42.16 ...... 1,082.17 Hon. Patrick J. Kennedy ...... 8/10 8/13 Israel ...... 749.00 ...... 749.00 8/13 8/15 Greece ...... 490.00 ...... 1,372.00 ...... 1,862.00 8/15 8/18 Italy ...... 1,175.00 ...... 1,175.00 8/18 8/20 Portugal ...... 250.00 ...... 250.00 Commercial airfare ...... 4,251.25 ...... 4,251.25 Hon. Floyd D. Spence ...... 8/18 8/23 Belgium ...... 656.00 ...... 656.00 8/23 8/25 Estonia ...... 406.00 ...... 406.00 8/25 8/27 Romania ...... 488.00 ...... 488.00 8/27 8/30 Norway ...... 816.00 ...... 816.00 8/30 9/1 Denmark ...... 529.92 ...... 529.92 Hon. Solomon P. Ortiz ...... 8/18 8/23 Belgium ...... 656.00 ...... 656.00 8/23 8/25 Estonia ...... 406.00 ...... 406.00 8/25 8/27 Romania ...... 488.00 ...... 488.00 8/27 8/30 Norway ...... 816.00 ...... 816.00 8/30 9/1 Denmark ...... 529.92 ...... 529.92 Hon. Steve Buyer ...... 8/18 8/23 Belgium ...... 656.00 ...... 656.00 8/23 8/25 Estonia ...... 406.00 ...... 406.00 8/25 8/27 Romania ...... 488.00 ...... 488.00 8/27 8/30 Norway ...... 816.00 ...... 816.00 8/30 9/1 Denmark ...... 529.92 ...... 529.92 Peter M. Steffes ...... 8/18 8/23 Belgium ...... 656.00 ...... 656.00 8/23 8/25 Estonia ...... 406.00 ...... 406.00 8/25 8/27 Romania ...... 488.00 ...... 488.00 8/27 8/30 Norway ...... 816.00 ...... 816.00 8/30 9/1 Denmark ...... 529.92 ...... 529.92 Hon. Jane Harman ...... 8/30 9/1 China ...... 529.92 ...... 529.92 Commercial airfare ...... 3,900.95 ...... 3,900.95 Hon. Paul McHale ...... 8/29 8/30 Italy ...... 150.00 ...... 150.00 8/30 8/30 Macedonia ...... 0.00 ...... 0.00 8/30 9/2 Croatia ...... 714.00 ...... 714.00 Commercial airfare ...... 2,977.35 ...... 2,977.35 Committee total ...... 25,901.60 ...... 12,421.56 ...... 1,414.16 ...... 39,737.32 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. FLOYD SPENCE, Chairman, Oct. 30, 1995. H 13338 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Hon. Gary Ackerman ...... 8/19 8/24 Taiwan ...... 1,365.00 ...... 1,365.00 8/24 8/27 South Korea ...... 951.00 ...... 178.52 ...... 1,129.52 8/27 8/29 France ...... 666.00 ...... 666.00 Commercial airfare ...... 7,233.35 ...... 7,233.35 Paul Behrends ...... 7/10 7/11 Hong Kong ...... 364.00 ...... 364.00 7/11 7/13 Vietnam ...... (3) 620.00 ...... 620.00 7/13 7/14 Thailand ...... 213.00 ...... 213.00 7/14 7/14 Burma ...... 14.00 ...... 14.00 7/14 7/15 Hong Kong ...... 364.00 ...... 364.00 Commercial airfare ...... 4,038.95 ...... 4,038.95 Hon. Doug Bereuter ...... 8/25 8/30 South Korea ...... 1,585.00 ...... 1,585.00 8/30 9/2 China ...... (3) 914.00 ...... 914.00 Commercial airfare ...... 3,848.95 ...... 214.11 ...... 4,063.06 Hon. Howard Berman ...... 8/23 8/24 Japan ...... 932.00 ...... 932.00 Paul Berkowitz ...... 7/10 7/11 Hong Kong ...... 364.00 ...... 364.00 7/11 7/13 Vietnam ...... (3) 620.00 ...... 620.00 7/13 7/14 Thailand ...... 213.00 ...... 213.00 7/14 7/14 Burma ...... 14.00 ...... 14.00 7/14 7/15 Hong Kong ...... 364.00 ...... 364.00 Commercial airfare ...... 4,038.95 ...... 4,038.95 Marian Chambers ...... 8/12 8/16 Israel ...... 1,009.00 ...... 1,009.00 8/16 8/20 Syria ...... 1,355.00 ...... 1,355.00 Commercial airfare ...... 3,083.65 ...... 3,083.65 Michael Ennis ...... 8/25 8/30 South Korea ...... 1,585.00 ...... 1,585.00 8/30 9/2 China ...... (3) 907.00 ...... 907.00 David Feltman ...... 7/1 7/4 Morocco ...... 1,028.00 ...... 1,028.00 7/4 7/5 Tunisia ...... 161.00 ...... 161.00 7/5 7/7 Switzerland ...... 590.00 ...... 590.00 Commercial airfare ...... 4,310.55 ...... 4,310.55 David Feltman ...... 8/16 8/24 Taiwan ...... 2,184.00 ...... 2,184.00 8/24 8/27 South Korea ...... 951.00 ...... 951.00 8/27 8/29 France ...... 666.00 ...... 666.00 Commercial airfare ...... 6,882.55 ...... 6,882.55 Victor Frazer ...... 7/2 7/6 Vietnam ...... 3 1,009.00 ...... (4) ...... 1,009.00 7/6 7/7 Thailand ...... 213.00 ...... (4) ...... 213.00 Mark Gage ...... 8/27 9/2 Russia ...... 3 2,750.00 ...... 2,750.00 Commercial airfare ...... 3,024.95 ...... 3,024.95 Kristen Gilley ...... 7/5 7/8 Canada ...... 595.00 ...... 595.00 Commercial airfare ...... 679.88 ...... 679.88 Kristen Gilley ...... 9/3 9/7 China ...... 1,752.00 ...... 1,752.00 9/7 9/10 Czech Republic ...... 740.00 ...... 740.00 Commercial airfare ...... 5,444.35 ...... 5,444.35 David Gordon ...... 8/24 8/29 Nigeria ...... 561.00 ...... 561.00 Commercial airfare ...... 3,911.00 ...... 3,911.00 Harry Johnston ...... 8/5 8/8 Ethiopia ...... 375.00 ...... 375.00 8/8 8/10 Sudan ...... 150.00 ...... 150.00 8/10 8/13 Kenya ...... 630.00 ...... 95.60 ...... 725.60 8/13 8/14 London ...... 290.00 ...... 290.00 John Mackey ...... 7/5 7/8 Canada ...... 595.00 ...... 595.00 Commercial airfare ...... 679.88 ...... 679.88 John Mackey ...... 8/12 8/16 Argentina ...... 1,168.00 ...... 245.00 ...... 1,413.00 8/16 8/19 Colombia ...... 792.00 ...... 792.00 Commercial airfare ...... 2,954.95 ...... 2,954.95 Christopher Madison ...... 9/8 9/10 Czech Republic ...... 510.00 ...... 510.00 Commercial airfare ...... 1,925.45 ...... 1,925.45 Lester Munson ...... 8/24 8/29 Nigeria ...... 3 486.00 ...... 486.00 Commercial airfare ...... 3,911.00 ...... 3,911.00 Lester Munson ...... 7/1 7/4 Morocco ...... 1,028.00 ...... 1,028.00 7/4 7/5 Tunisia ...... 161.00 ...... 161.00 7/5 7/7 Switzerland ...... 590.00 ...... 590.00 Commercial airfare ...... 4,310.55 ...... 4,310.55 Roger Noriega ...... 8/12 8/16 Argentina ...... 1,168.00 ...... 1,168.00 8/16 8/19 Colombia ...... 792.00 ...... 792.00 Commercial airfare ...... 2,954.95 ...... 2,954.95 Daniel Restrepo ...... 8/14 8/16 Argentina ...... 876.00 ...... 876.00 8/16 8/19 Colombia ...... 3 717.00 ...... 717.00 Commerial airfare ...... 2,312.95 ...... 2,312.95 Frank Record ...... 8/9 8/11 Macedonia ...... 600.00 ...... 600.00 8/11 8/12 Greece ...... 249.00 ...... 652.00 ...... 901.00 8/12 8/15 Israel ...... 1,009.00 ...... 1,009.00 8/16 8/20 Syria ...... 3 1,180.00 ...... 1,180.00 Commercial airfare ...... 3,944.45 ...... 3,944.45 Hon. Toby Roth ...... 9/22 9/26 Germany ...... 1,184.00 ...... 1,184.00 Commercial airfare ...... 5,807.55 ...... 5,807.55 Mara Rudman ...... 9/4 9/8 China ...... 1,752.00 ...... 1,752.00 Commercial airfare ...... 3,936.95 ...... 3,936.95

Committee total ...... 43,921.00 ...... 83,084.76 ...... 1,385.23 ...... 128,390.99

1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. 3 Represents refund of unused per diem. 4 Military air transportation. BENJAMIN A. GILMAN, Chairman, Oct. 30, 1995.

REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Pat Danner ...... 8/5 8/8 Great Britain ...... 888.00 ...... (3) ...... 888.00 8/8 8/10 France ...... 666.00 ...... (3) ...... 666.00 8/10 8/10 Macedonia ...... (3) ...... November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13339 REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995—Continued

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

8/10 8/12 Greece ...... 490.00 ...... (3) ...... 490.00 8/12 8/15 Turkey ...... 786.00 ...... (3) ...... 786.00 Hon. Bob Borski ...... 8/12 8/13 Great Britain ...... 296.00 ...... 296.00 8/14 8/21 India ...... 1,632.00 ...... 1,632.00 Commercial airfare ...... 5,448.95 ...... 5,448.95 Committee total ...... 4,758.00 ...... 5,448.95 ...... 10,206.95 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. 3 Military air transportation. BUD SHUSTER, Chairman, Oct. 27, 1995.

REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Name of Member or employee Country equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure Foreign currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Hon. Phil Crane ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Bica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Hon. Charles Rangel ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Hon. L.F. Payne ...... 8/4 8/5 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Hon. William Thomas ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Hon. Rob Portman ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Hon. Jennifer Dunn ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Hon. Sam Gibbons ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Hon. Greg Laughlin ...... 8/22 8/23 Italy ...... 152 ...... (3) ...... 152 8/23 8/24 Slovenia ...... 334 ...... (3) ...... 334 8/25 8/26 Croatia ...... 376 ...... (3) ...... 376 8/27 8/28 Macedonia ...... 149 ...... (3) ...... 149 8/28 8/29 Albania ...... 105 ...... (3) ...... 105 8/29 8/30 Italy ...... 430 ...... (3) ...... 430 Commercial airfare ...... 2,879.65 ...... 2,879.65 Thelma Askey ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Frank Phifer ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Meredith Broadbent ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Bruce Wilson ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Karen Humbel ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Keith Jewell ...... 8/4 8/6 Costa Rica ...... 406 ...... (3) ...... 406 8/6 8/9 Chile ...... 765 ...... (3) ...... 765 8/9 8/10 Argentina ...... 292 ...... (3) ...... 292 Committee total ...... 20,565.00 ...... 2,879.65 ...... 23,444.65 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. 3 Military air transportation. BILL ARCHER, Chairman, Oct. 17, 1995.

REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Name of Member or employee Country equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure Foreign currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Hon. Bill Richardson ...... 7/14 7/18 Middle East ...... 1,000.00 ...... 1,000.00 Commercial airfare ...... 7,245.95 ...... 7,245.95 Calvin Humphrey ...... 7/14 7/18 Middle East ...... 1,000.00 ...... 1,000.00 Commercial airfare ...... 7,245.95 ...... 7,245.95 Ken Kodama ...... 8/12 8/23 Europe ...... 2,826.00 ...... 218.00 ...... 3,044.00 Commercial airfare ...... 4,005.15 ...... 4,005.15 Michael Sheehy ...... 8/13 8/17 Europe ...... 750.00 ...... 45.00 ...... 795.00 Commercial airfare ...... 4,514.95 ...... 4,514.95 Hon. Bob Dornan ...... 8/22 8/31 Europe ...... 1,546.00 ...... 1,546.00 Commercial airfare ...... 2,879.65 ...... 2,879.65 Michael Meermans ...... 8/22 8/31 Europe ...... 1,546.00 ...... 1,546.00 Commercial airfare ...... 2,879.65 ...... 2,879.65 Committee total ...... 8,668.00 ...... 29,034.30 ...... 37,702.30 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. H 13340 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE November 18, 1995 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. LARRY COMBEST, Chairman, Oct. 23, 1995.

REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, COMMITTEE ON SECURITY AND COOPERATION IN EUROPE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1 AND SEPT. 30, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Janice Helwig ...... 8/24 United States ...... 3,162.05 ...... 3,162.05 8/25 9/30 Austria ...... 5,305.69 ...... 5,305.69 Ronald McNamara ...... 7/5 United States ...... 3283.73 ...... 283.73 7/5 7/6 CAnada ...... 305.17 ...... 305.17 Michael Ochs ...... 6/26 United States ...... 4,399.65 ...... 4,399.65 6/29 7/6 Armenia ...... 1,012.00 ...... 500.00 ...... 1,512.00 7/6 7/10 Georgia ...... 852.00 ...... 110.00 ...... 962.00 7/10 7/12 Azerbaijan ...... 356.00 ...... 356.00 7/12 7/13 Turkey ...... 176.00 ...... 176.00 Samuel Wise ...... 7/3 United States ...... 559.20 ...... 559.20 7/3 7/8 Canada ...... 621.67 ...... 10.45 ...... 632.12 ...... 9/15 United States ...... 3,438.85 ...... 3,438.85 9/16 9/20 Austria ...... 792.00 ...... 792.00 Committee total ...... 9,420.53 ...... 12,453.48 ...... 10.45 ...... 21,884.46

1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. 3 Commercial airfare in addition to military air transportation. CHRIS SMITH, Oct. 16, 1995.

REPORT OF EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, NORTH ATLANTIC ASSEMBLY, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN OCT. 4 AND OCT. 10, 1995

Date Per diem Transportation Other purposes Total

Name of Member or employee Country U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar U.S. dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 1 or U.S. currency 2 currency 2 currency 2 currency 2

Hon. Doug Bereuter ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Gerald Solomon ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Tom Bliley ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Ralph Regula ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Marge Roukema ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Sherwood Boehlert ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Jan Meyers ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Porter Goss ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,180.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,180.00 Hon. Vernon Ehlers ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Charlie Rose ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Cardiss Collins ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Nancy Pelosi ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Hon. Bobby Rush ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 John Herzberg ...... 10/5 10/10 Italy ...... 915.00 ...... 3,033.85 ...... 3,948.85 Ronald Lasch ...... 10/5 10/10 Italy ...... 915.00 ...... 3,033.85 ...... 3,948.85 Carol Doherty ...... 10/5 10/10 Italy ...... 915.00 ...... 3,033.85 ...... 3,948.85 Jo Weber ...... 10/5 10/10 Italy ...... 915.00 ...... (3) ...... Commercial airfare ...... 2,037.00 ...... 2,952.00 Michael Ennis ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Jim Doran ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Linda Pedigo ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 Martin Sletzinger ...... 10/4 10/10 Italy ...... 1,192.00 ...... (3) ...... 1,192.00 David Hobbs ...... 10/5 10/10 Italy ...... 915.00 ...... (3) ...... Commercial airfare ...... 2,037.00 ...... 2,952.00 Veronica Craig ...... 10/5 10/10 Italy ...... 915.00 ...... (3) ...... Commercial airfare ...... 2,037.00 ...... 2,952.00 Committee total ...... 25,642.00 ...... 15,212.55 ...... 40,854.55 1 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2 If foreign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. 3 Military air transportation. DOUGLAS BEREUTER, h Oct. 24, 1995.

REPORTS OF COMMITTEES ON (Rept. 104–354). Referred to the House Cal- Mr. BATEMAN, Mr. BILBRAY, Mr. BILI- PUBLIC BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS endar. RAKIS, Mr. BONILLA, Mr. BONO, Mr. Mr. QUILLEN: Committee on Rules. House BRYANT of Tennessee, Mr. BUNN of Under clause 2 of rule XIII, reports of Resolution 280. Resolution waiving points of Oregon, Mr. BURR, Mr. CALVERT, Mr. committees were delivered to the Clerk order against the conference report to ac- CHAMBLISS, Mr. CLINGER, Mr. COBURN, for printing and reference to the proper company the bill (H.R. 2099) making appro- Mr. COLLINS of Georgia, Mrs. CUBIN, calendar, as follows: priations for the Departments of Veterans Mr. DAVIS, Mr. DIAZ-BALART, Mr. Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, DICKEY, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr. DUNCAN, [Omitted from the Record of November 17, 1995] and for sundry independent agencies, boards, Ms. DUNN of Washington, Mr. commissions, corporations, and offices for Mr. KASICH: Committee of Conference. EHLERS, Mr. EMERSON, Mr. ENGLISH the fiscal year ending September 30, 1996, and Conference report on H.R. 2491. A bill to pro- of Pennsylvania, Mr. FLANAGAN, Mr. for other purposes (Rept. 140–355). Referred vide for reconciliation pursuant to section FOLEY, Mrs. FOWLER, Mr. FOX, Mr. to the House Calendar. 105 of the concurrent resolution the budget FRANKS of New Jersey, Mr. for fiscal year 1996 (Rept. 104–350). Ordered to f FRELINGHUYSEN, Mr. GALLEGLY, Mr. be printed. GILLMOR, Mr. GILMAN, Mr. PUBLIC BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS GOODLATTE, Mr. GOODLING, Mr. GOSS, [Submitted November 18, 1995] Under clause 5 of rule X and clause 4 Mr. GRAHAM, Mr. GUNDERSON, Mr. HANSEN, Mr. HASTINGS of Washing- Mr. DREIER: Committee on Rules. House of rule XXII, public bills and resolu- Resolution 279. Resolution providing for con- ton, Mr. HAYWORTH, Mr. HEFLEY, Mr. sideration of the Senate amendment to the tions were introduced and severally re- HILLEARY, Mr. HOBSON, Mr. HOUGH- bill (H.R. 2491) to provide for reconciliation ferred as follows: TON, Mr. HUNTER, Mr. HYDE, Mr. pursuant to section 105 of the concurrent res- By Mr. YOUNG of Florida (for himself, ISTOOK, Mrs. JOHNSON of Connecticut, olution on the budget for fiscal year 1996 Mr. ABERCROMBIE, Mr. BALLENGER, Mr. JONES, Mr. KINGSTON, Mr. KOLBE, November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 13341

Mr. LEACH, Mr. LEWIS of California, Mr. ENGLISH of Pennsylvania, Mr. H.R. 123: Mr. DELAY. Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky, Mr. LIGHT- HEINEMAN, Mr. STEARNS, Mr. DAVIS, H.R. 303: Mr. WELDON of Florida. FOOT, Mr. LINDER, Mr. LONGLEY, Mr. Mr. MCHALE, Mr. KLINK, Mr. H.R. 468: Mr. MASCARA and Mr. DOYLE. MCCOLLUM, Mr. MCDADE, Mr. PALLONE, Mr. LONGLEY, Mr. MARTINI, MCHUGH, Mr. MCINNIS, Mr. METCALF, Ms. KAPTUR, Mr. KING, Mr. UPTON, H.R. 1791: Mr. HUTCHINSON and Mr. REED. Mr. MICA, Ms. MOLINARI, Mr. MOOR- Mr. FOLEY, and Mrs. ROUKEMA): H.R. 1884: Mr. FLAKE. HEAD, Mr. MYERS of Indiana, Mrs. H.R. 2665. A bill to authorize the Secretary H.R. 1993: Mrs. KELLY. of Health and Human Services to award MYRICK, Mr. NETHERCUTT, Mr. PETRI, H.R. 2310: Mr. BOEHLERT, Mr. BONILLA, Mr. grants and contracts to establish domestic Mr. REGULA, Mr. ROHRABACHER, Mr. CLAY, Mr. CONDIT, Mr. DELLUMS, Mr. ENGEL, violence community response teams and a SALMON, Mr. SAXTON, Mr. Mr. HINCHEY, Mr. KING, Mr. MCDADE, Mr. technical assistance center to address the de- SCARBOROUGH, Mr. SENSENBRENNER, MILLER of California, Mr. MOORHEAD, Mr. velopment and support of such community Mr. SKEEN, Mr. SOUDER, Mr. SPENCE, PASTOR, Mr. RICHARDSON, Mr. TORRES, Mr. response teams, and for other purposes; to Mr. STEARNS, Mr. STUMP, Mr. TATE, TRAFICANT, and Mr. MATSUI. Mr. TIAHRT, Mr. TAUZIN, Mrs. VUCAN- the Committee on Economic and Edu- H.R. 2311: Mr. FRAZER, Mr. JEFFERSON, Mr. OVICH, Mr. WALSH, Mr. WAMP, Mr. cational Opportunities. JOHNSTON of Florida, Mr. MFUME, Mr. RAN- WELDON of Florida, Mr. WHITE, Mr. By Mr. CALLAHAN: H.R. 2666. A bill making appropriations for GEL, Mr. SABO, Mr. TOWNS, and Ms. WOOLSEY. WOLF, Mr. YOUNG of Alaska, Mr. foreign operations, export financing, and re- ZELIFF, Mr. MURTHA, Mr. MONTGOM- H.R. 2508: Mr. SMITH of Texas and Mr. lated programs for the fiscal year ending ERY, Mr. HOYER, Mr. PETE GEREN of HUTCHINSON. September 30, 1996, and for other purposes; to Texas, Mr. DE LA GARZA, Mr. DIXON, H.R. 2510: Mr. ABERCROMBIE. the Committee on Appropriations. Mr. STOKES, Mr. JEFFERSON, Ms. By Mr. OBEY: H.R. 2599: Mr. CRAMER. PELOSI, Mrs. MINK of Hawaii, Mr. H.J. Res. 125. Joint resolution making fur- H.J. Res. 124: Mr. DAVIS. TRAFICANT, Mr. COLEMAN, Mr. ther continuing appropriations for the fiscal H. Con. Res. 63: Mr. KLECZKA and Mr. MORAN, Mr. GIBBONS, Mr. RICHARD- year 1996, and for other purposes; to the ORTIZ. SON, Mr. BISHOP, Mr. WILLIAMS, Mr. Committee on Appropriations. DICKS, Mr. BEVILL, Mr. STUPAK, Mrs. H.J. Res. 126. Joint resolution making fur- f THURMAN, Mr. PETERSON of Florida, ther continuing appropriations for fiscal Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode Island, Mr. year 1996, and for other purposes; to the DISCHARGE PETITIONS— NEAL of Massachusetts, Mr. COYNE, Committee on Appropriations, and in addi- ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS Mr. BONIOR, Mr. GEJDENSON, Mr. MIL- tion to the Committee on House Oversight, LER of California, Mr. MOLLOHAN, Mr. for a period to be subsequently determined The following Members added their RAHALL, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. KANJORSKI, by the Speaker, in each case for consider- names to the following discharge peti- Mr. MCHALE, Mr. VISCLOSKY, Mr. LIV- ation of such provisions as fall within the ju- tions: INGSTON, and Mr. HASTERT): risdiction of the committee concerned. H.R. 2664. A bill to revise the effective date Petition 6 by Mr. BRYANT of Texas on for military retiree cost-of-living adjust- f House Resolution 240: Karen L. Thurman, John M. Spratt, Jr., Henry A. Waxman, ments for fiscal years 1996, 1997, and 1998; to ADDITIONAL SPONSORS the Committee on National Security. Eddie Bernice Johnson, and Gene Taylor. By Mr. FOX (for himself, Ms. MOLINARI, Under clause 4 of rule XXII, sponsors Petition 7 by Mr. KANJORSKI on House Ms. ROS-LEHTINEN, Mr. FORBES, Mr. were added to public bills and resolu- Resolution 246: Sam Gejdenson, Lynn N. Riv- FRANKS of New Jersey, Mr. ZIMMER, tions as follows: ers, John Lewis, and Cynthia McKinney.

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The Senate met at 9:15 a.m., on the RECOGNITION OF THE ACTING Mr. President, I would like to talk a MAJORITY LEADER expiration of the recess, and was called little bit about Jesse Brown, Secretary of Veterans Affairs. Jesse Brown is one to order by the President pro tempore The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The of our Nation’s most able and out- [Mr. THURMOND]. acting majority leader is recognized. f spoken veterans advocates. He is a man who is a Marine combat veteran, a Ma- PRAYER SCHEDULE rine combat hero who served our coun- Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, this morn- try with honor and distinction. Mr. The Chaplain, Dr. Lloyd John President, he is a disabled veteran who, Ogilvie, offered the following prayer: ing there will be a period for morning business with Senators permitted to long before he became Secretary of Let us pray: speak for up to 10 minutes each. I have what he calls ‘‘For Veterans Affairs,’’ Trust in the Lord with all your heart, been asked by the distinguished major- was one of the most important voices and lean not on your own understanding; ity leader to advise that further nego- and strongest voices for veterans, espe- in all your ways acknowledge Him, and tiations on a continuing resolution cially disabled veterans in the United He will direct your paths. during today’s session will go forward. States of America. I would like to make it very clear, as Lord, we accept this admonition as Therefore, rollcall votes are possible, but we will keep the Members informed a Senator from Minnesota, that I do both a prognosis and a prescription for not believe these kinds of attacks, our deepest need this morning. Trust in if there are any further developments. I yield the floor. petty attacks on his personal office You is the only healing antidote to f travel budget, will silence Jesse Brown. tension. We admit that the tension My colleagues are sadly mistaken, they does grow as sessions of the Senate be- MORNING BUSINESS are profoundly mistaken, if they be- come longer and debate becomes more The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Under lieve any form of retaliation will si- intense. the previous order, there will now be a lence this Secretary, who is such a And here we are on a Saturday morn- period for the transaction of morning powerful advocate for veterans, based ing with the fresh memories of loss for business with Senators permitted to upon his own personal life, based upon some and victories for others over the speak therein for not to exceed 10 min- his service for this country, and based vote on the budget last evening. Some utes each. upon his position. are proud of their success and others Mr. WELLSTONE addressed the Since taking office in 1993, let me feel their pride is wounded. Meanwhile, Chair. just list a few of the impressive accom- Government is shut down in the dead- The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. plishments of Secretary Jesse Brown, lock between the Congress and the THOMAS). The distinguished Senator ‘‘Secretary for Veterans.’’ President. We carefully tabulate the from Minnesota. Agent orange—in 1993, a VA-spon- balance of criticism or confirmation f sored review conducted by the National from our constituencies, but the real Academy of Sciences found that cer- question is what You think. JESSE BROWN WILL NOT BE tain cancers and illnesses could be SILENCED caused by agent orange exposure. The Individually and corporately we put Mr. WELLSTONE. Mr. President, VA promptly responded by presuming our trust in You. We resist the habitual yesterday morning there was an article service-connection for these diseases— tendency to lean on our own under- in the Washington Post. It dealt with long overdue. standing; we acknowledge our need for some of the debate that is now taking Mr. President, homeless veterans Your wisdom in our search for solu- place about the budget and veterans. convened the first National Summit on tions we all can support. As an inten- We can agree to disagree, but there was Homelessness Among Veterans. It is a tional act of will, we commit to You one piece in this article that really scandal that such a large percentage of everything we think, say, and do captured my attention, as a Senator our street people and homeless people today. Direct our paths as we give from Minnesota. This was: are veterans. This Secretary, Jesse precedence to principle over party and The conferees sent what they called a Brown, will not be silenced. loyalty to You over anything else. We ‘‘strong message’’ of displeasure to Veterans Persian Gulf veterans fought hard to need You, Father. Strengthen each one Affairs Secretary Jesse Brown, in the form of make sure Persian Gulf veterans were and strengthen our oneness. In the sharp cuts in his office’s staff and travel not forgotten, to compensate certain name of our Lord. Amen. budget. Persian Gulf veterans with

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S 17421 S 17422 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 undiagnosed illnesses. Mr. President, want to get into the semantics. I want rect, modify—but it is a fundamental Secretary Jesse Brown will not be si- to tell you, there is only one way you change in the direction this country lenced. look at it. Look at the year 2002; ask has been headed for the past, at least, Streamline and make the VA more how many people are going to be 65 two or three decades. I know the Presi- responsive, a plan to decentralize the years of age or over, how many of them dent has indicated he is going to veto VA national health care system, which are going to be 85 years of age or over; it. And if he does—as I assume he will— is now being implemented. Mr. Presi- you ask what kind of services they are I hope he also will say he is seriously dent, Secretary Jesse Brown will not going to require, and you ask whether concerned about the problems we raise be silenced. or not you are investing the resources and try to correct them, that he will Women veterans: He implemented a to make sure they get them. We are sit down with us in serious negotia- series of health care initiatives for not. tions and have some budget that we women, established eight women veter- If you have those reductions in Medi- can all hold up and all take credit for ans Comprehensive Health Care Cen- care and reductions in medical assist- that will balance the budget in the 7 ters. Mr. President, Secretary Jesse ance, you are going to have more of the years, reform welfare as we know it, Brown will not be silenced. elderly people coming to the veterans preserve and strengthen Medicare, pro- There are many more accomplish- health care system for health care. vide tax cuts for families with chil- ments that I could list, but I want to Then, if you have the reduction in the dren, and also tax cuts to stimulate the just end with one personal story, which VA health care system as well, it be- economy, a capital gains rate reduc- I think tells a very large story about comes a triple whammy. tion, estate tax relief. There are hun- Secretary Jesse Brown. Secretary Jesse Brown is going to dreds of provisions in this bill. Tim Gilmore fought for our country continue to be a strong advocate for I particularly, again, want to thank in the Vietnam war. He suffered from veterans. I will say to my colleagues, my colleague, Senator DOMENICI, from agent orange exposure, and he died of he is going to continue to challenge New Mexico, and members of the Budg- cancer. Toward the end of his life, Tim your budget and he is going to con- et Committee for their outstanding Gilmore was tormented by one fact. He tinue to say, ‘‘Why don’t you ask the work. And I failed to mention Senator knew he would not have long to live, oil companies to sacrifice a little bit, ROTH, the new chairman of the Finance but he had not received any compensa- or the coal companies, or the tobacco Committee. About 80 percent of this tion. By the rules that we operate companies, or the pharmaceutical com- heavy lifting was done by the Finance under, if he did not receive any com- panies? And how come you give all this Committee under the chairmanship of pensation before he passed away, there money to military contractors, above Senator BILL ROTH from Delaware. He was a very real question whether his and beyond what the Pentagon asked did an outstanding job. All the tax family would ever receive any com- for? And how come you have all these cuts, the Medicare and Medicaid provi- pensation. He was tormented by this. rapid depreciation allowances and cuts sions, all these very controversial When Secretary Jesse Brown came to in capital gains?’’ areas were under the jurisdiction of the my State, this family made a personal I listened to my colleague from Mis- Finance Committee. Certainly Senator appeal to him, the veterans community sissippi speak with considerable intel- ROTH deserves our commendation too. made a personal appeal to him to some- ligence the other day about this. He is ORDER OF PROCEDURE how, please, cut through the bureauc- a very able Senator. But this Secretary Mr. DOLE. Mr. President, we hope to racy and please have some compassion of Veterans Affairs is going to continue continue to negotiate today and per- and please be an advocate for Tim Gil- to challenge these priorities. He haps have some agreement on a con- more and his family. should. tinuing resolution by day’s end, maybe Mr. President, I made the same ap- We do not need any hate, I think all not, but we will try. We have just sent peal. Time went by, Tim Gilmore be- of us agree. But we will have the de- the President the Defense appropria- came weaker, and it was very clear he bate. It will be an important debate for tions bill. If he signs that, about 182,000 was going to pass away soon. A very this country. I believe Secretary Jesse people will go back to work. That is al- short period of time before Tim Gil- Brown will be a very powerful voice in most one-quarter of the total. more passed away, Secretary Jesse that debate. I come to the floor of the We hope he will look at that care- Brown made sure that he received com- Senate to speak in his behalf today. fully, particularly in light of the fact pensation, made sure that his family I yield the floor. that he may be sending American would receive that compensation. Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I suggest troops to Bosnia. It would seem to me That family has never forgotten that. the absence of a quorum. he would want to sign the Defense ap- To Tim Gilmore, a Vietnam vet who The PRESIDING OFFICER. The propriations bill. I hope he does not died from agent orange exposure, that clerk will call the roll. send American troops to Bosnia with- was one of the most important things The assistant legislative clerk pro- out first coming to Congress, but in the before he passed away. I will be in- ceeded to call the roll. event he does, either event, I think the debted, as a Senator from Minnesota, Mr. DOLE. Mr. President, I ask unan- appropriations bill is important. to Secretary Jesse Brown forever, for imous consent that further proceedings I would like to announce, but I am his compassion and his strength and under the quorum call be dispensed not quite able to, that there will be no commitment to people. with. votes today. We will check on both I will say to my colleagues, you can The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without sides of the aisle to see if we can reach do whatever you want to his travel objection, it is so ordered. an agreement on a continuing resolu- budget or personal budget, but you are f tion and if anyone would require a roll- not going to silence him. He is going to call vote. If not, then we could say no continue to talk about this budget and THE BALANCED BUDGET ACT OF votes today. So, we will begin that how it affects veterans. 1995 process on both sides of the aisle. As I will mention one point I have been Mr. DOLE. First, I want to thank all soon as we have word, we will get back focused on, as a U.S. Senator, and I my colleagues for what has been hap- and make that announcement. I know will be pleased to debate this with any- pening over the past several months as some Members probably have other one. I think what we are doing here in far as putting together the Balanced plans for the day. the health care field puts way too Budget Act of 1995 is concerned. It was What that would mean, if we had no many veterans in very serious jeopardy a massive undertaking. People said we votes, if we did reach an agreement, we for the following reason: Our veterans could never do it, never make the hard could simply pass a continuing resolu- population is also becoming an aging decisions, but we did. We kept our word tion by a voice vote, vitiate the final population. We all know that. with the American people. And we action taken on the CR we had a day or If you have reductions in Medicare— have, I think, a product we can be two ago, amend it, send it to the House and we continue to go through this de- proud of. and ask them to concur with the Sen- bate about whether it is lessening the It may not be perfect—probably there ate amendment. So we could do that by rate of increase or a cut. I do not even are some things we can change, cor- voice vote. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17423 I yield the floor. Government of the United States will Mr. ASHCROFT addressed the Chair. I suggest the absence of a quorum. gain a fiscal dividend of $170 billion in The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The more taxes and lower interest pay- ator from Missouri is recognized. clerk will call the roll. ments, a $170 billion dividend matched Mr. ASHCROFT. Thank you, Mr. The assistant legislative clerk pro- by a dividend of three or four times President. ceeded to call the roll. that size, more than half a trillion dol- f Mr. GORTON. Mr. President, I ask lars to the people of the United States unanimous consent that the order for in the form of better jobs, higher A TURNING POINT IN THE the quorum call be rescinded. wages, lower interest rates on their HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. mortgages and on their car loans. Mr. ASHCROFT. Mr. President, I INHOFE). Without objection, it is so or- That is the tangible dividend for our commend the Senator from Washing- dered. having passed this bill if, and only if, ton for his clear statement about the Mr. GORTON. Mr. President, what is the President of the United States kind of challenge that is before us. the status of business? signs it. This is a turning point—a turning The PRESIDING OFFICER. We are in At this point, he has said he will not. point in the history of our country. morning business. Each Senator is al- At this point, he has said he will veto Will we decide to discontinue using the lowed to talk for 10 minutes. even the continuing resolution passed credit card of the next generation and f by this body two evenings ago which then after racking up the charges, would allow all of the Government sending them the bill? That is the fun- THE MOST SIGNIFICANT BILL workers to go back to work, all of the damental decision. It is a decision we PASSED BY THE CONGRESS activities of Government to continue have not had the courage to make for Mr. GORTON. Mr. President, last until some time in December, merely the last 26 years. Over a quarter of a evening the Senate passed what the in an exchange for a promise on the century has passed since we last oper- majority leader described as the most part of the President that he will agree ated without sending this enormous significant bill passed by the Congress to a budget that is balanced by the credit card bill to our children and during his long and distinguished ten- year 2002 by the honest figures and sta- grandchildren. ure in this body. I should like to ex- tistics of the Congressional Budget Of- This is an issue of freedom. Who will press my agreement with the majority fice. be free to make the decision on how leader’s characterization. The President, in spite of his promise the next generations resources will be That Balanced Budget Act of 1995, in 1993 to use just those figures, has re- spent? Will we be free to decide how which will undoubtedly be passed by fused, prefers to keep the Government their resources are spent? Or will they the House of Representatives today be- out of operation to making that pledge. be free? It is not unlike the kind of de- cause of the minor changes made in the Now, Mr. President, nothing in that cision that was made when this coun- Senate, represents a degree of respon- pledge requires him to accept the pre- try came into existence. The British sibility, of fiscal responsibility un- cise numbers and priorities of our thought they could tax us and spend matched by that of any Congress, at budget. He can insist on more in the our resources without listening to us. least since the end of World War II. way of taxes than we call for and more We referred to it as taxation without That degree of fiscal responsibility, in the way of spending than we call for, representation. And spending our re- of course, has been required by the or a different balance of spending. We sources against our wishes was so of- habit of huge multi-hundreds of bil- may or may not agree, but that can be fensive to us that we drew a proverbial lions of dollars in deficits over the negotiated. What we will not negotiate, line in the sand. The midnight ride of course of the last several years, and, Mr. President, is the proposition that Paul Revere launched this Nation into most particularly, it has been required the budget will be balanced by the end a period of conflict to establish once because of the nature of the budget of 7 years, with firm statutes in place and for all that one group does not submissions of this President of the that will assure that balance, and that spend the resources of another group United States who, while he was a can- the figures we will use to determine against the other group’s wishes and didate for the Presidency, claimed that whether or not that balance is reached will. he could and would balance the budget are honest figures, not figures cooked I believe that this is a fundamental in 5 years, but who, in January of this up in the White House. turning point in America. Who is going year, proposed a budget which would At this point, we understand the to control the destiny of the next gen- never, ever lead the United States to a President wants us simply to say we eration? Will they, as free people, have budget deficit significantly lower than will have the goal of balancing the the God-given right to shape the to- $200 billion. budget in 2002 and maybe the goal of morrows in which they live by deploy- The course of action since 1969, the using Congressional Budget Office fig- ing their resources in ways in which last year in which there was a balanced ures. Well, Mr. President, that just they see fit? Or will they be slaves to budget in this country, has created a does not work. We know, regrettably, the past? Will they be devoting their debt on our shoulders and on the shoul- that this White House has a different resources to pay for our excesses? ders of our children and grandchildren goal every day of the week. I think the Senator from Washington of almost $5 trillion. That means, Mr. In fact, this President has talked has stated the case rather clearly. He President, that a child born today in- about a balanced budget in 5 years, 7 has pointed out that we have to live herits a debt, or a bill, of some $187,000 years, 8 years, 9 years, 10 years, and within our means, that we have to during his or her life, simply to pay in- never, and he has used at least two dif- fashion a spending plan that is within terest on the national debt. That sta- ferent sources of statistics for each of the limits of the money that we will tistic alone starkly illustrates not just those promises. So we have to nail have. Now, that is always a little bit the fiscal and financial necessity, but down the proposition that the budget difficult to do in government. You have the moral necessity of a sharp change will be balanced in 7 years under hon- to project how much money you will in direction. est statistics. That is all we ask for. have. You do not know exactly how This country can no longer go on pro- But we can ask for no less because much money you will have because you viding goods and services for which it nothing less will result in the people of do not know how much will be paid in is unwilling to pay and sending the bill the United States having this wonder- taxes and you do not know the level of to our children and grandchildren. ful fiscal dividend for them in the form business activity. So you have to make Such a change is significant. Such a of better job opportunities and higher estimates. You have to have assump- change does demand dramatic changes wages and lower interest rates, and we tions about the level of economic ac- in many of our financial priorities. But will also say that we have been wrong tivity in society. You have to have such a change carries with it great re- in the past in spending what we would forecasting. wards. not pay for and sending the bill to Any time you have forecasting, you The Congressional Budget Office tell someone else, and that we are not run into the same trouble that you run us that simply by passing this bill, the going to do it anymore. into if you are going on a picnic with S 17424 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 your family. No family that I know of about it, you are going to have lots and all these letters are like alphabet soup, is so devoid of good sense as to turn the lots of money, so do not worry about and I am sorry we have to use them. television or radio on to get the weath- how much you spend,’’ I think we If the President says he wants to bal- er forecast and there is a 100-percent would be sticking our heads in the ance the budget and he uses one set of chance of rain and thunderstorms and sand. Then we would suffer the con- figures, and the Congress says they then see it maybe on one or two chan- sequences of not knowing when the want to balance the budget and we use nels and say, ‘‘There is a series of bad real peril emerged to threaten the fu- another set of figures, the President forecasts out there; we need to have ture of this country. can argue from one set of figures, we our picnic. Let us go out on the street Let me just tell you that I am not to- argue from the other set of figures, the and find somebody else who might tell tally comfortable with the CBO fore- twain shall never meet. We never real- us that there is going to be sunshine.’’ cast. I am not a professional forecaster, ly come to grips. We never have an The truth of the matter is that you and I am willing to accept their per- honest debate. We never figure out have to use honest data in a forecast. spective. CBO has forecast that for the what we will or will not spend because You cannot go to somebody who does next 7 years we will have 2.4 percent one debate is on the basis of one pro- not know anything about the weather growth every year. jected income and another debate is on or somebody who has another agenda, I really cannot remember a 7-year pe- the basis of a different amount of who wants to sell you the hot dogs and riod when we could have counted on money as projected income. It does not say, ‘‘Are we going to have weather that kind of growth before. Almost provide for rational debate. good enough for a picnic?’’ You have to every time in a 7-year period you have When the families of America bal- have the right forecast. We have to some downturns. ance the budgets around the kitchen have the right forecast if we really Now, there are those folks who say, tables, the husband does not come in want to balance the budget. surely we will have growth of greater and say we have this much money to That is really what this business is than 2.4 percent. I confess, I am willing spend and the wife comes in and says about when we talk about using honest to bet that we will. But I am terribly ‘‘no,’’ we have this much money to numbers. Are we going to use numbers fearful of the fact there may be times spend. The first thing we do is agree on that are put together by nonpartisan when we are below the 2.4-percent how much money we have to spend. individuals who are solely and totally growth line. Not only does that happen around my devoted to the development of an hon- The idea we would leave CBO out of kitchen table, but it happens around est forecast, or are we going to use fig- the equation and leave the leavening virtually every kitchen table in Amer- ures put together by people who want influence, the stabilizing influence, the ica. It happens in corporate America, to sell the hot dogs and send us on the ballast of this nonpartisan organiza- in businesses, in charitable institu- picnic in the hopes that maybe there tion out of the settlement is an idea tions, in churches, and in civic organi- will be some miracle? which is frightening indeed. zations. The first thing you decide is Well, that is where we are. We believe CBO, which has made a pretty ag- how much money you have to spend, that using the nonpartisan Congres- gressive estimate that we will have 2.4 and until you agree upon that, you do sional Budget Office as the basis for percent growth—and that means over- not start the debate about how to the forecast—using their numbers and all we will have that kind of growth as spend. their forecast—is trusting the best if there is no upturn or downturn, that In Government, we sadly had this po- source of prediction. This source of pre- we will not ever slide below it enough sition where one part of the Govern- diction is so well revered and so well to drag the average down, is pretty ag- ment comes in and says we will have honored as the independent and non- gressive. this much to spend and another part of partisan, accurate source, that the I think as we work with the Presi- the Government says we will have this President of the United States, Presi- dent toward a balanced budget, and I much to spend, and they all talk about dent Clinton, in 1993, in his State of the am committed we will work long their independent things, never coming Union message, said we should stop enough to get a balanced budget, to get together. using other groups like the Office of the commitment—people have been It is time for us to follow the sugges- Management and Budget, which is sub- calling me from home saying, ‘‘Do not tion of President Clinton in his 1993 ad- ject to political pressures. This is true weaken. Do not sell the future of dress to the Congress where he said we even if the forecasters are not overt or America. Do not jeopardize our chil- ought to use the Congressional Budget do not mean to develop distorted fig- dren and grandchildren one more Office figures. He said we ought to use ures. Sometimes the real desire of peo- time.’’ We are at a turning point. Chil- them because they are most likely to ple in politics to do what they want to dren born this year already will have, be correct and they are more accurate do skews their judgment a little bit. if we do not do something about the than other figures. They have too much of a stake in the debt, $187,000 to pay in their lifetime in The truth of the matter is we need to fight to be the referee. The President interest on the debt. ‘‘Please do not ex- use them for another reason, and that said in his State of the Union Message tend that,’’ they are saying. I do not is so we are all debating the same in 1993, ‘‘Do not use other figures, use want to. amount of money rather than one de- Congressional Budget Office figures.’’ I We will work together with the bating one set of facts and another de- think there is a real reason to use Con- President to get something done here, bating a separate set of facts. gressional Budget Office figures, be- but make sure we commit ourselves to I had the privilege of serving as Gov- cause they are bipartisan and they do 7 years and make sure we commit our- ernor of the State of Missouri for 8 not have a dog in this fight. They can selves to reasonable estimates by non- years. We had this insane system of dif- go either way. partisan professionals. Heavens knows, ferent sets of facts and different pre- As a matter of fact, that is what the with a 2.4-percent 7-year presumption sumptions when I became Governor. Congress has been insisting on. At in the mix, to assume there will not be We were able to work with the legisla- least, that is what those of us on this some downturn there somewhere would ture to arrive at a single budgeting side of the aisle have insisted on—that be whistling in the dark. It would be forecast so that we had what we called we use the bipartisan Congressional planning the picnic in the face of a tor- consensus revenue estimation. We Budget Office forecasting. nado, but going to someone who knows would get together, figure out with an I point out that using the Congres- nothing about the weather and saying, independent forecaster how much sional Budget Office forecasting does ‘‘Give me a better forecast. I want to money we would be talking about, and not make balancing the budget easy. It go out in spite of the dark clouds that then the debate meant something. makes it tough. It makes it hard be- may be on the horizon.’’ The President proposed that in 1993. cause it is a realistic forecast. If we Let me add just one other thing as I It is, I believe, time for the President were to try to solve this problem by talk about these forecasts and about to agree to it now in 1995. It is his pro- going and getting another forecast, by the Congressional Budget Office, the posal. going to find some other economist nonpartisan forecasting agency of Gov- I ask unanimous consent for an addi- that would tell us, ‘‘Do not worry ernment. I know the CBO and OMB and tional 2 minutes. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17425 The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without choices which are similar to those that over the next 7 years than we are objection, it is so ordered. we have as Members of Congress. spending if we were to just flat-fund it; Mr. ASHCROFT. The President’s pro- It is ironic that the President and a $349 billion increase in spending. posal was that we use CBO figures. It the Vice President and his minions Every senior in this country on Medi- was a good idea in 1993. It was a good should continue to attack us for put- care today gets $4,900 in benefits, they because they are accurate. It is a good ting forward a proposal like this, call- are going to get $6,700 by the year 2002. idea in 1995 because they are accurate, ing our proposals extremist, cuts, They will not only get additional bene- but it also is a good idea because it slashing of the Medicare system, when, fits in the way of dollars, but they will would give us a common basis for dis- in fact, the number agreed to and get additional benefits in the way of cussion. which was passed last night by this opportunities. They will be able to go More than anything else in politics Senate and by the House and therefore out and try some other types of health we need to start with as much in com- by the Congress and sent down to the care delivery systems, many of those mon as we can. We all know that we President for the rate of growth of systems which we now as Members of have ideas and philosophy that tends Medicare which we have agreed to, Congress have available to us but sen- to divide us, but when we start from a which the Republicans have put for- iors do not have available to them. In common basis of resource, we will at ward, actually now exceeds the number the same process, we are not going to least have an intelligent means for dis- that the President of the United States limit their ability to stay in their cussing how that resource is to be di- sent up as his rate of growth that he present Medicare system. We are actu- vided, used, allocated, and spent for the would like to see in the area of Medi- ally going to let them expand that abil- benefit of the people of this country. care spending in his June budget. ity, if they desire to do so. I yield the floor. To go over it in specifics, in his June So, the President once again is being Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I ask budget the President said he wanted a bit disingenuous in his positions—to unanimous consent to address the Medicare to grow at 7.1 percent. Why be kind. He is misrepresenting, not House as in morning business did he say that? Because his trustees of only his position but our position. The PRESIDING OFFICER. We are in the trust fund had just come back— What for? To pander to an electorate, morning business. The Senator can Secretary Rubin, Secretary Shalala, to try to scare that electorate, to try proceed for up to 10 minutes. and Secretary Reich had just come to run for reelection rather than sub- f back—and said if we did not slow the stantively address the issues which we rate of growth in Medicare the trust BALANCED BUDGET have to address, which of course is that fund would go bankrupt in the year we need to balance this budget in order Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I want to 2002, and the rate of growth of the trust to make sure that our children have a address a couple of topics. First, I want fund was 10 percent. In other words, chance for a prosperous lifestyle and to congratulate the Senator from Mis- every year we are spending 10 percent our seniors have a Medicare trust fund souri for his cogent comments on how more on Medicare than we spent the that is solvent. we get to a balanced budget, how we year before. The reason we are doing So we have put forward this balanced score the question of spending, and how that is because the system is broken. budget which makes a great deal of we maintain some semblance of credi- So, the President understood this in sense, because if we do not pass this bility to the numbers here in Congress. his June submission and said, ‘‘We balanced budget, we would be passing I respect his leadership as a former have to slow that rate of growth to 7.1 on to our children no opportunity for Governor in this area and recognize percent annually, down from 10 per- prosperity because we would be passing that he understands, maybe more than cent.’’ many of us, the importance of having Then we put forward our proposal on to them a country which would be honest numbers because, of course, in and we suggested the rate of growth, in confronted with trillions of dollars of his State they had to have a balanced our initial proposal, should be 6.4 per- additional debt which our children will budget—something, unfortunately, cent. That is what the debate was have to pay. A child born today will that we do not have to have at the Fed- about, the difference between 7.1 per- have to pay $186,000 in taxes just to pay eral level. It would be nice if we did. cent and 6.4 percent, or approximately the interest on the Federal debt. That When you have to live by a balanced 0.7 percent. is not right. It is not fair. Our genera- budget, as he did as Governor of Mis- Now, after negotiating with the tion is spending our children’s future souri, the real numbers become very House and making some changes to try and it is not right. important. to address the concerns of some of the So we passed this bill last night and It is not a gamesmanship exercise seniors in this country and their it was a good bill. It had changes in here in obtaining real numbers and his groups, we have come forward with a basic programs which will be positive points are well-taken as we move for- budget which allows Medicare to grow and which will make those programs ward to try to resolve this continuing at 7.4 percent. That is what the Repub- deliver better services. But, as with all resolution process issue, that we have lican resolution, the Balanced Budget good bills that pass this Congress, to have hard numbers that are real Act which we passed last night, has as when they are large bills sometimes numbers so that there can be true a number: 7.4 percent. I think it is very something happens. Some little cadre movement toward a balanced budget, important the press and the people of of folks around here realizes those bills not something done by mirrors or this country take note of that. Because have a certain amount of momentum smoke. we are now 0.3 percent higher in our and they are going to pass because I want to talk a little bit, also, about rate of growth in Medicare than what they are good bills and on balance ev- what the President has been saying the President had in his budget submis- erybody who is thoughtful about qual- about the balanced budget amendment sion in June. So, if he is going to con- ity Government is probably going to which we passed yesterday, the bal- tinue to say we are slashing, cutting, vote for them and there will be a ma- anced budget resolution. The President savaging the Medicare system, then he jority that will pass them. has once again in his radio address, as must have the integrity to say that his So they sometimes sneak little provi- I understand it, misrepresented facts proposal exceeded our slashes, exceeded sions into these bills that are not that and the situation especially in the area our cuts, exceeded our attacks on Med- good. But because you have an up-or- of Medicare. icare, if that is the case. down vote on the whole bill and you It is now extremely ironic that the Of course, in fact, it is not the case. cannot get those provisions out, you administration should continue to at- Actually what we have done is, rather end up with those provisions in. In this tack the Republican membership for than slash, cut, or in any other way instance, that occurred, unfortunately, our bill to balance the budget, which negatively impact the Medicare sys- and I want to talk briefly about that; bill, at the same time, puts the Medi- tem, we have actually created a new sort of the dark side of the reconcili- care trust fund into solvency and gives system which is going to strengthen ation bill, if you will, because, unfortu- the senior citizens of this country the Medicare system. We are going to nately, there were some dark corners choices which they do not have today, spend $349 billion more on Medicare in the reconciliation bill. S 17426 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 The most egregious example of that nately it will end up vetoed. It will the United States today and toning was what happened with the sugar pro- come back to us. down our rhetoric, toning down our de- gram. Let us first understand what the I want to put folks on notice. When it mands, toning down our individual sugar program is in this country. It is comes back, in whatever form it comes wills, is the only mixture that is going basically a ripoff of the consumers of back, this sugar debate is not going to to provide a measure of success in the America to the tune of $1.4 billion be allowed to be shoved into the back future that none of us individually every year. It is the last vestiges of a corner. This sugar debate is going to be might be totally satisfied with, but one Marxist economic system in, probably, out there, it is going to be on the front that gets this Government moving and the world. Well, maybe they still have burner. Because the American people allows democracy to function as it has it in Cuba, a Marxist economic system. can no longer be subject to this out- successfully functioned for many, But the last real strong vestiges of it is rage of having $1.4 billion transferred many years. right here in the United States in our out of their pockets into the pockets of f sugar program. a few cane growers and a few proc- What does the sugar program do? It essors, simply because somebody used THE SUGAR PROGRAM basically, arbitrarily, without any re- the parliamentary rules around here to lationship to the market forces of the protect a program that is absolutely Mr. EXON. Mr. President, I was abso- economy, fixes the price of sugar at a indefensible under any other cir- lutely astonished at the remarks made price which is 50 percent higher—30 to cumstances. by my colleague from New Hampshire a 50 percent higher than what sugar So, this issue shall be revisited when few moments ago, when, if I heard him should cost Americans. In the open this bill is revisited and it shall be re- correctly, he said that the sugar pro- market today you can buy sugar at 10 visited with much more intensity than gram of the United States was Marxist cents. Under our system of farm sub- the last go-around. Because of the fact in nature. I will with some restraint sidy and price control, we pay 22 cents, it was necessary, because of the over- tone down my rhetoric on that, except 23 cents. This is an outrage, but it is a riding strength of this bill in the area to say that the Senator from New cartel in this country that has a grip of getting under control entitlement Hampshire is wrong. on the economics of the issue of sugar spending generally, on such things as Coming on the floor of the U.S. Sen- and, unfortunately, on this Congress, Medicare, Medicaid, and welfare, and ate at a time when very delicate nego- because it uses vehicles like the rec- the overriding desire to address that, tiations are going on and assailing one onciliation bill to abuse the process. we had to unfortunately—we ended up, part of the agricultural bill—in this in- So, in this reconciliation bill there unfortunately, being gamed on the stance, the sugar program—I think is was not a 1-year, not 2-year, but a 7- issue of sugar. not helpful. It is not constructive. It is year extension of this outrage, of this But in the next go-around, I simply not good Government, especially in program which is the ultimate example put people on notice that game will be that it would further impair the deli- of the former East European market joined with much more intensity be- cate negotiations that are now ongo- approach to economics. It was extended cause the consumers of this country do ing. because these folks were able to slip not deserve to have to pay $1.4 billion Let me speak a little bit about the this in. And the irony of it, of course, simply because a bunch of cane growers sugar program. If we would follow the is that it was put in by people who on want to make money. recommendations, as I understand it, most days are the greatest supporters I yield the floor. that were just made on the Senate of capitalism, and some of the strong- Mr. EXON addressed the Chair. floor by the Senator from New Hamp- est supporters of conservative thought The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- shire, we would in effect be eliminating on this floor. They slipped it in here, ator from Nebraska. the production of sugar in the United for whatever reasons I cannot imagine, f States of America for all time to come. because they could not justify it, I am The sugar program does not cost the sure, under any intellectual basis. But THE BUDGET CRISIS taxpayers anything. It is true that it it got slipped in here for the purposes Mr. EXON. Mr. President, we are does prop up prices to a very reason- of raiding the pocketbooks of Ameri- having a rather unusual Saturday ses- able level so that we can continue to cans, for the purposes of benefiting a sion today for the very obvious and have such a fundamental ingredient as very small group of people. specific reason that, indeed, the Gov- sugar as a part of the American pro- The GAO did a study of this and 17 ernment of the United States and the duction system. farms—17 cane farmers in this country United States is in a crisis situation get 58 percent of the benefit, 58 percent today because of the failure of the leg- If we would follow the recommenda- of the benefit. That is a huge amount islative and executive branches—re- tions, as I understand them, from the of dollars on a $1.4 billion subsidy. gardless of their political affiliations Senator from New Hampshire, we That is a huge amount of dollars to one and political attitudes—meaning sim- would, in effect, eliminate the sugar small group of individuals in this coun- ply that we have to come to some kind program in the United States of Amer- try who happen to have the capacity to of an agreement, some kind of an un- ica. All of our industries that rely on have put their idea into this reconcili- derstanding, some kind of a lowering of sugar as a key ingredient of our diet ation. the testing of wills with regard to a would go down the tube, and the United Now, there are many of us on our compromise that can be reached at this States of America would be totally re- side—on both sides of the aisle, this is time to at least establish the basis or liant on imported sugar for as far as we a bipartisan outrage at this—who find the framework to get on with the more can see into the future. this to be an inexcusable event, who important and more difficult task I would simply say to my colleague think the idea that an attempt to bal- down the road, and coming to an agree- from New Hampshire that maybe we ance the budget should have in it a ment to balance the budget as quickly should follow that same program with plan which essentially affronts the sen- as we can. But I think we should keep regard to milk production. I do not sibilities of everything that Adam this all in perspective. know how much sugar production there Smith ever stood for, and that the mar- I would simply say, Mr. President, is in New Hampshire, but there is a ket economy ever stood for, that cap- that heated rhetoric, charges, and great deal of milk production. There is italism ever stood for, that our coun- countercharges of what this Senator both sugar and milk production in my try’s basic economic structure stands will do or what that Senator will do, State of Nebraska. I would simply say for—that that program should be in the pretense of standing up for what is that, if we are going to destroy the this bill is not only ironic, it is an out- right above everything else, of what I sugar program, it would only follow rage. However, due to the rules of this think is right regardless of what my that we would destroy the milk pro- Senate, we were not able to remove it colleagues on this side of the aisle and gram. If we are to logically follow the from this bill. But we all understand my colleagues on the other side of the recommendations by the Senator from this bill, unfortunately, because it has aisle think might be a workable solu- New Hampshire, I do not know what a huge amount of good in it, unfortu- tion, a solution to the crisis that faces the milk producers in New Hampshire November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17427 would think of that, but I would sus- production in the United States of when there is no market force of any pect that they might not be very much America, which would surely come if nature involved in pricing the product, impressed. we would follow the recommendations that is certainly not capitalism. It is Mr. GREGG. Will the Senator yield? of the Senator from New Hampshire, certainly not an Adam Smith approach Mr. EXON. I will yield at an appro- we would simply say, in addition to to managing a commodity. It is a man- priate time. being solely dependent in the future for agement by the state of the price of the I simply say to the President, and to the major part, if not all, of oil produc- commodity to benefit the producers of the Senate, that if we are going to try tion, we would be also following down the commodity, and in this case it hap- to work things out here, I think it is the line which would be even worse pens to be that 42 percent of the benefit not proper, and it is not accurate, to with regard to a basic part of our food runs to sugar growers who represent 1 come to the floor of the U.S. Senate supply and distribution system. percent of all the sugar farmers, hap- and indicate that the sugar program is Mr. President, I simply say that this pening to be the cane growers in this Marxist in its concept when it clearly is a time for all of us to maybe control, instance, not the sugar beet growers, is not. rein in our rhetoric at a time when the who would happen to be from Ne- I happen to feel that if we could tone leadership of both the Democrat and braska. down our rhetoric, if we could recog- Republican Parties is at this very mo- I happen to think we could restruc- nize and realize that there are differing ment trying to institute some kind of a ture this program where your sugar points of view from people who are ba- compromise and agreement, if you will, beet growers have a much better oppor- sically well-intentioned, then we can that will eliminate the crisis that we tunity to get some of that 42 percent of come together. I happen to feel that have today and have some kind of a the benefit and not have the consumers the Republican plan on the farm bill framework understanding of what we pick up the $1.4 billion subsidy which is that was originated in the House of are going to do in the future, to come incurred as a result of setting the price Representatives is a total disaster for to some agreement with regard to the arbitrarily at the number which has no America. Not only is it a disaster for future budget of the United States and relationship and which is almost 100 America in our food production indus- how we are reasonably going to balance percent higher than at what the free try, but I think it turns the farm pro- it. market sets the price. gram—good, bad, or indifferent —into a With that, I yield the floor, and I cer- So did I use the term Marxist eco- welfare program. And few understand tainly yield to my colleague from New nomics to characterize it? Yes, because that if we accept the agricultural pro- Hampshire for any questions he would it is a state-run, state-dominated, gram announced and endorsed by the like to ask the Senator. If I did mis- state-controlled price-setting mecha- House of Representatives, we would be interpret his remarks, I would appre- nism, which is the classic definition of turning the farm program into welfare. ciate his explanation. Marxist economics. If it were a free Why do I say that? Mr. President, a Mr. GREGG. Mr. President, I ask market or if it were a quasi-free mar- key ingredient of the so-called Roberts unanimous consent for an additional 5 ket, you might use some other term. If farm plan is to pay farmers even if minutes so we might have a colloquy it were a quasi-free market, I suppose they do not plant anything. Can you between myself and the Senator from you could characterize it as a farm sub- imagine anything that smacks of ill- Nebraska. sidy program. But it is even beyond advised welfare, if we would start pay- The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without that. So that is why I used that term. ing farmers for not doing anything or objection, it is so ordered. I think it is an accurate characteriza- producing anything? Mr. GREGG. No, the Senator did not tion. I do not deem it pejorative in the That part of the Roberts farm bill misinterpret my remarks. Karl Marx sense it is inaccurate. It may be pejo- that I refer to as farm welfare pure and was an economist first. He became af- rative because that form of economics simple is so revolting and so illogical filiated with communism, of course, has been so rejected by the world now. that I think it should be rejected out of but his basic theory of economics was But it is a fact that exists. hand. Yet, that program is alive and that you should essentially, through Now, as to the dairy program, I well today and was given editorial sup- controlling the marketplace from the would be willing to make a deal right port this morning in the Washington top down, move dollars from one seg- here with the Senator that we put all Post. ment to another as the state deter- products on the basis of market eco- The Washington Post has been his- mined appropriate. That was the basic nomics, we have no subsidies underly- torically against farm programs. That theme of Marxism, that the state ing any commodities. I will vote for it. is well known, and that is very right. should use the power of the state to If you want to take the dairy program They are an Eastern newspaper that move dollars from one group to an- out of any subsidy program, I will vote does not understand at all the needs of other and manage the marketplace for that, if it is part of a package to rural America and have had no pre- both through transfer of wealth take everything out. In fact, I would tense whatsoever of understanding the through income-related activities and probably vote for it if it were not a problems of rural America. I think also transfer wealth through pricing part of a package to take everything their editorial writers down there in activities. That was the basic theme of out. Dairy is an issue in which I am not the Washington Post think that food is Marxism. a great defender of the price supports something that you go down to the su- If you look at the sugar program, the either. permarket and buy off the shelf. open market price for sugar today is 10 I think the issue here that I raised I simply say in returning that I un- cents a pound. That is what it was with sugar is a legitimate issue and the derstood the arguments of the Senator quoted at on CNBC just yesterday. The characterization is accurate. So I yield from New Hampshire would be that we price support is set at 18 cents a pound, to the Senator from Nebraska for his should junk the sugar program because but the target price that is used, which comment. it is Marxist. That would be another is outrageous to begin with, the target Mr. EXON. Mr. President, for clari- step down that road that we have gone price which is used by the Agriculture fication purposes, if I might ask my a long distance in traveling with re- Department is somewhere around 21, colleague from New Hampshire wheth- gard to nearly 60 percent of the fuel 22, 23 cents a pound. I am not sure. It er he would so characterize the dairy that we use in the United States today, is right in that range. The basic rea- programs that we have in the United oil-based fuels, comes from overseas. son, of course, being under the struc- States as Marxist, as he has clearly in- We have been down that path before ture they do not want anybody to end dicated he feels the sugar programs when we recognized that a few foreign up having to pay back their loan. So also are? oil cartels can literally, if they want they make it possible for the price to Mr. GREGG. I do not think the dairy to, get together and set the prices for be so much higher than even the sup- program is an egregious example of oil. That is bad enough, and we are not port price that no loans ever end up price controls, because the dairy prices taking enough steps, in the view of this going into default. are much closer to a market-driven Senator, to correct that. But to follow Maybe there is some other term you event than the sugar prices. So I would the same road by eliminating sugar use for this that is appropriate, but say we are somewhere in between. It is S 17428 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 clearly not a capitalist system. It is So what we have been debating are next election. And so the temptation clearly not a market system that we not just the numbers to compromise has always been to fund for the mo- have in dairy, which it should be, and I between the White House and this Con- ment, to spend for the moment, be- strongly support moving to a market gress, what we have been debating is a cause it impacts positively on those system. But it is nowhere near the fundamental principle of Government, who will go to the polls at the next egregious price-support levels that we and I think a fundamental principle of election to perpetuate our existence in have in the sugar system. society. I doubt that there is anyone on this elected body. That is the prime So, no, I do not think I would say it this floor or a Member of the Senate reason why I strongly believe in term is a purely state-dominated system, that has not at some time in their life limits, because term limits are the but it has clearly got too much state sat down with their children and ex- only device that I know of, as imper- domination in it. I wish we would cor- plained the principle of deficit spend- fect as they are, that changes the dy- rect it. ing, and whether it deals with a $1 or $2 namic of the way we make decisions. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- allowance or whether it deals with set- It is human nature to obviously want ator’s time has expired. ting aside money necessary to pay ex- to keep your job. It is human nature to Mr. COATS addressed the Chair. penses while they are away at college, want to be reelected, to be favored by The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- the principle is the same, and, I think, the people. And the political impera- ator from Indiana. tive, particularly over the last 30 or 40 Mr. COATS. Mr. President, I appre- what we all try to pass on to the next years, has been to accomplish that pur- ciate the last discussion. Clearly the generation, that is, that we cannot pose essentially by spending money but issue of sugar subsidy and maintaining keep spending more than we make. If you spend more money than you not having the courage to go forth and the price that is substantially above earn, you are going to have only one of ask taxpayers to pay for that expendi- the market price has been detrimental two recourses: You are going to quick- to consumers in this country. It is true ture, but simply to float the debt and it has no direct effect or impact on the ly run yourself unto insolvency, or you pass that payment on to a future gen- Federal budget. That is simply because are going to roll up a debt that will be- eration, which, by the way, does not go we have shifted the entire impact to come such a burden in terms of pay- to the polls at the next election. So we see these two imperatives, the the consumers of this country. ment of interest to maintain that debt But that is not why I am here to that other items of expenditures, nec- political imperative and the moral im- speak. I think that subject has been essary expenditures, are going to be perative, clashing against and strug- adequately debated between the Sen- squeezed. gling against each other. I believe the ator from New Hampshire and the Sen- Many young people have learned the moment has come that that titanic ator from Nebraska. hard way through receipt, as soon as struggle is at issue and needs to be de- they are independent from their fam- cided, where the choice is clear before f ily, of a Visa, Master Card, or other us. On one side, unfortunately, we are THE BUDGET IMPASSE credit card, how easy and how attempt- dealing with a President supported by Mr. COATS. Mr. President, I am here ing it is to run to the mall and roll up many, not all, members of his party to talk about the current budget im- and use that card to purchase items for who seem to be pursuing the political passe in which we find ourselves. There the moment. And then the bills start imperative; and on the other, I believe clearly are a number of compelling rea- rolling in, and they notice that they we are seeing a commitment to the sons to support a balanced budget: are paying a 17, 18 percent interest rate moral imperative. lower interest rates, higher economic on the mounting debt. The problem that we face is that we growth. These have all been discussed What has happened on a national have defined a commitment to the in detail on this floor over the last sev- basis is that debt has been mounting at principle of not imposing additional eral days. But I do not believe that eco- a staggering rate. It took more than burdens on future generations through nomic facts fully explain the urgency 200 years to reach the first $1 trillion of an act called the Balanced Budget Act of the issue and why the lines have debt. Now, in just the space of 15 years, of 1995, accomplished in a defined time been drawn so sharply between these we have quintupled that $1 trillion debt period and accomplished with numbers two competing philosophies. to the point where this Nation now on which we can both agree. After all, There is a moral aspect to this de- stands at $4.9 trillion of national debt. it was the President—it was the Presi- bate, a moral imperative that I think It is a staggering burden. It is a burden dent—who called on us to agree on how is important we understand because that is imposed, I would suggest, on these numbers would be determined those of us who are holding firm for a the next generation. And therefore, and derived so that we would not be ar- commitment to a balanced budget in a that moral tradition that we have held guing over differing assumptions and fixed amount of time with honest num- at the highest level in this country of differing sets of numbers. bers are doing so because we are con- sacrificing for the benefit of future Frankly, it was the President who es- vinced that not only are the deficits generations so that our children might sentially put in play the fixed period of imposed year after year after year on enjoy at least an equal but hopefully a time with which to reach the goal of a the American public unwise but they better standard of living, better qual- balanced budget. He campaigned on are unprincipled. ity of life than we have been privileged that basis. He said, ‘‘There’s a way for They are not just a drag on the econ- to enjoy, which was transferred to us me to meet the stated objectives, omy, not just an impact on interest by the previous generation, this gen- which is a balanced budget in 7 years, rates, but a burden on our national eration has become the first generation with a family tax cut * * *’’ That is ex- conscience. It was Thomas Jefferson to violate that trust. actly what Republicans have offered who said nearly 200 years ago—in argu- Every child born in America today the President: a balanced budget in 7 ing the question of whether one genera- inherits $19,000 in public debt, and it is years with a family tax cut. It is what tion has the right to impose on another going up at a staggering rate. That is a the President called for. We responded generation a debt burden which is the destructive legacy of a government to that. But now the President said, obligation of those that are currently without courage. True, it has caused a ‘‘No, those are not my priorities.’’ enacting that burden, currently sup- budgetary crisis, but it has done more This Republican budget has the cour- porting that spending—Jefferson said, than that. It has betrayed a moral re- age to confront the political impera- ‘‘The question of whether one genera- sponsibility. tive because we believe that we have a tion has the right to bend another by Now, this moral imperative clashes moral duty to the next generation. the deficit it imposes is a question of with a political imperative. The politi- Now, my concern, Mr. President, is such consequence as to place it among cal imperative says deficit spending that as the Senator from Nebraska has the fundamental principles of govern- makes sense because it allows elected said, we have allowed rhetoric to get ment. We should consider ourselves un- officials and allows Government to ahead of the facts of the situation. I authorized to saddle posterity with our please people in the present by placing am concerned that the American public debts, and be morally bound to pay burdens on the future. Interestingly is focusing on our rhetoric and not the them ourselves.’’ enough, the future has no vote in the facts. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17429 Coming in this morning to the Sen- pact’’—you would think that what Re- One of those nagging concerns of ate, I listened to the President’s week- publicans are offering are drastic, dras- Thomas Jefferson was that we did not end address, and the President was ob- tic cuts in the amount of social welfare have a mechanism that would keep viously putting the best light on his and the amount of expenditures on a Congress from going into debt, because position on the acts of the Congress. whole number of programs. he felt that public debt was not the The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- Medicaid increases will go up 43 per- right of any Congress to make. ator’s time has expired. cent; welfare spending will increase by The second thing that Thomas Jeffer- Mr. COATS. Mr. President, I ask $100 billion over this time period. son was concerned about was that we unanimous consent for 5 additional Republicans find themselves in an did not have a system to assure rota- minutes. unusual position, because a lot of peo- tion in office. Of course, term limita- The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without ple back home say, ‘‘Wait a minute, we tions are still a very powerful issue for objection, it is so ordered. thought you were going to do more us in this Congress over 200 years after Mr. COATS. I thank the Chair and than that. We thought you were going the Constitution was ratified, and I my colleague from Texas. to cut back.’’ Well, we are slowing the think his nagging concerns were two I was deeply concerned that the rhet- rate of growth, but in no sense can very important ones that I wish he had oric of the President far exceeded the those be characterized as cuts from been able to address. reality of the facts that we are dealing current expenditures. The spending But then when we look at what the with. The President characterized, on will continue, but it will continue at a founders of our country did in the Con- about as many occasions as possible in slower rate and over a 7-year period of stitution, they are certainly to be com- a 5-minute speech, the Republican ef- time. As our economy grows and as ex- mended for the foresight they had in so fort as an extreme effort. penditures decrease from the stand- many areas. point of a lower rate than before, those Now, somewhere in the process here f the President’s pollsters, focus groups, two lines will cross, and, as certified by so forth, have discovered that the the agency that the President asked us THE BUDGET IMPASSE American public has an emotional, vis- to use to certify those numbers, we will Mrs. HUTCHISON. Mr. President, I ceral reaction to the word ‘‘extre- reach a balanced budget in 2002. would like to talk about this budget mism.’’ So it seems everything Repub- As I said, we do this not just because impasse, because there is no question licans are attempting to do all year, it makes good economic sense, but we that we are at a crossroads in our coun- whether it is a defense bill or whether do this because we believe we have a try. The impasse is over our President it is welfare reform or whether it is moral imperative to do so. This is a and this Congress and our differing historic piece of legislation. It allows balancing the budget, is labeled as ex- views about what course this country us in the Congress to leave some legacy tremist. He used to say it was right- should be on. The Congress promised to the future, other than monumental wing religious extremists. Then, they the people a balanced budget, and we debt—a legacy of moral courage and a found out people of faith resented that are producing on that balanced budget. and that did not go down too well, so legacy of responsibility. We have sent to the President a bal- We have waited a long time to get to now we are down just to the word ‘‘ex- anced budget for the first year of a 7- this point. It has been an unusual con- tremist.’’ year plan. The President promised in vergence of events that have led us to The President and Vice President his campaign a balanced budget in 5 this moment. I do not know that we just incessantly use the word ‘‘extrem- years, actually. But when the time ist.’’ You heard that from the minority will have another opportunity to do this, and so a vote to keep our word came to sign the dotted line to make leader’s speech last evening. I think and keep our faith with the next gen- the hard choices, the President has there must be a reward for those who eration is a vote that I hope the Presi- chosen instead to demur, to talk about can use the word more times within dent will exercise, as we exercised last politics instead of coming down to the each minute of statement because it evening. bottom line and working with Congress seems like it is almost every other The President, with one stroke of the on a budget that is balanced. He is word. pen, can address what I believe is the holding our Government hostage. Now, I ask the American people and economic imperative but, more impor- Mr. President, why do we have this I ask my colleagues to examine the tantly, can address the moral impera- impasse? There are two things: The rhetoric, and in the light of the reality tive. The President can address the balanced budget which we have sent to of the budget, because what Repub- issue of whether or not we will keep the President and the resolution that licans are saying is that with this faith with the next generation. He will would continue the operation of Gov- moral imperative and this staggering address the question of whether or not ernment, which is why people are not debt, we believe it is important to this generation, this selfish generation, working in our Government at full enact the principle of a balanced budg- this me-first generation, will finally staff levels. et not this year, not next year, not say, ‘‘We have run the course. It has We passed a resolution that would 1999, not by the turn of the century, been a disaster for the future of Amer- continue Government from September the new millennium, but by the year ica.’’ 30, when the fiscal year ended, until 2002. The economic consequences are un- this week. Now we are in the second Over a 7-year period of time, we be- told, and it is time that we drew a line resolution. The second resolution has lieve we should make an orderly transi- and had the courage to do what I think the lower budget figures that are nec- tion from where we now are to a posi- every one of us instinctively knows is essary if we are going to balance the tion where we will not spend more than right. budget. we take in. And if we do it over a 7- Mr. President, I thank you and yield So when we talk about this continu- year period of time, it will allow spend- the floor. ing resolution, it is crucial that we ing to increase at a rate of 22 percent. Mrs. HUTCHISON addressed the have the lower numbers because we are It will increase over that period of time Chair. in the fiscal year. We are in the 1996 in expenditures such as Medicare at a The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- fiscal year. We must have the lower rate of 65 percent; that the Medicare ator from Texas. spending numbers if we are going to increases will go up at a rate of 7.4 per- Mrs. HUTCHISON. Mr. President, I make our 7-year goal, and that is the cent annually. appreciate the remarks of my col- crucial issue here. The President does One would think, listening to the league from Indiana. I think he laid not want the lower spending limits be- President and listening to some of our out in a lofty and beautiful speech ex- cause, in fact, the President does not colleagues who oppose that—because actly why we are here. want the balanced budget in 7 years. they use terms such as ‘‘cutting off at I have read the quote from Thomas Now, he paid lipservice to a balanced the knees,’’ ‘‘throwing children out on Jefferson as well. And, in fact, Thomas budget in 7 years. He said publicly that the street,’’ ‘‘denying aid to widows,’’ Jefferson had said he had really two he would agree to a balanced budget in ‘‘turning our backs on the disabled,’’ problems with our Constitution, and it 7 years, but he just will not do what is ‘‘gutting the American social com- was nagging in the back of his mind. necessary to get us there, and he has S 17430 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 yet to send us a budget that is bal- I am not going to mortgage the long- Madam President, I have a feeling anced at all, not in 10 years, not in 9 term security of this country for a that this is a historic moment right years, not in 8 years and not in 7 years. short-term comfort rate. I am not now, that we may not have any more So because we have this impasse, the going to do it because the people elect- votes, and we may be leaving all of this people of this country are certainly ed us to represent them, and they sent up here and going back, hopefully, for concerned. There are people who say, a powerful message in 1994. They want the Thanksgiving holidays, in which ‘‘Settle it. Pox on both your houses, a balanced budget and they want peo- case I have a couple of comments I settle it.’’ ple who are tough enough to do it. want to make. They are not really ex- I just ask people who say, ‘‘settle it,’’ So I did not get elected to come here actly on the focus of today, but I will do they want us to settle it at the cost and cave to the President, who made also go back and wind up with some of our future security, our future pros- the same promise that I did, but is thoughts I have on this subject. perity? walking away from that promise. I am There have been some rumors—and I Do they want us to settle it at last not going to walk away. I am going to always hate to talk about rumors on year’s spending rates so that we cannot stand here for a balanced budget in 7 the floor of the U.S. Senate—that have possibly meet our goal of a 7-year bal- years. We are doing it in a responsible come from so many different unrelated anced budget? Do they want us to set- way. In fact, a lot of people think we sources, and I am concerned that dur- tle it regardless of the promise that we should do it in 5 years. But we are say- ing the period of time that we will be made in 1994? ing, no, we believe 7 years would keep in the Thanksgiving recess, there may Mr. President, I ran on a platform, in the economy strong at the same time be some agreement reached and our 1994, of a balanced budget. I promised that we are doing what is right for the troops may be deployed to Bosnia. the people who voted for me, and I long term. So we are making the right This concerns me very much, and promised everyone whether they voted decision for the short term and the this is not a very appropriate time to for me or not, that I would come up right decision for the long term. bring it up. But I do think that we need here to try to balance the budget, to Mr. President, this is a crossroads for to get on the record and remind the try for a 7-year balanced budget. The our country. As the great ‘‘philoso- President that this Senate passed, just President also, in his campaign, in 1992, pher’’ Yogi Berra once said, ‘‘When you 2 days ago, a strong sense-of-the-Sen- promised the people that he would come to a fork in the road, take it.’’ ate amendment to the DOD appropria- work for a balanced budget. The Presi- Well, once again, we have a choice of tions bill which says that we, Mr. dent made the promise, I made the which road to take. We have the President, want you to come to the promise. The difference is, I am keep- choice. Mr. President, the Congress is Senate and to the House of Representa- ing my promise. going to stay on the road that will tives for authority to send troops into I think that is the issue here. The take this country back to prosperity people have been promised for 25 years Bosnia. and stability. We are going to bring It was a very similar situation that a balanced budget in this country. But back what made this country strong in the President of the United States at the politicians have always walked the first place. Families, the spirit of that time, George Bush, faced back in away from it. And the reason is, they entrepreneurship, the small businesses, the early nineties when he wanted to did not have the guts to look at enti- a strong national defense built this send troops to the Persian Gulf. He did tlements, and everybody knows entitle- country. We won the cold war because ments are more than 50 percent of our not want to come to Congress. He felt we were strong, not because we were it was necessary and that we had vital budget, that they are the toughest of weak. And we are going to do what is all things to work with. This Congress national interests in the Persian Gulf right, Mr. President, in the short term and we had to go. Yet, he did not want did something different. This Congress and the long term. We are not going to kept the promise by tackling entitle- to do that and take a chance of being walk away from our promises, and I turned down. So we have a similar situ- ments, by saying that welfare is going wish the President would do the same. on a budget, just like your family ation today. Mr. EXON addressed the Chair. I can remember talking to one of the budget, just like your small business The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- generals training over at the 1st Ar- budget. Welfare is going on a budget. ator from Nebraska. So we have produced reform of a very Mr. EXON. Mr. President, appar- mored Division in Germany. Those are important former entitlement. It is an ently, the present occupant of the the troops that were going to go to the entitlement today, but hopefully if we chair wanted to make some remarks; is Persian Gulf. Now he is training the can do what is right for the long term that correct? troops that would go to Bosnia. He re- of this country, it will not be an enti- (Mrs. HUTCHISON assumed the lated to me an experience of sitting tlement. It will be a budget item. And chair.) and listening to the radio, hoping, and we will have limitations on welfare for Mr. INHOFE. Yes, that is correct. praying that George Bush would take able-bodied recipients for the first time Mr. EXON. Madam President, we this to Congress to get authority. They in this country since we created the have been trying to go back and forth. did not want to be sending their troops welfare system. As I understand it, my colleague from into a hostile area without the Amer- So it is very important that the peo- Oklahoma wishes to make some re- ican people behind them. ple understand that we did reform wel- marks. I would agree to that. I hope I see exactly the parallel situation fare, that we did take on Medicaid enti- that the Chair will see fit to recognize here. I certainly hope that the Presi- tlements, that we are going to give it the Senator from Nebraska after the dent will come to Congress and not use to the States so that they can do it Senator from Oklahoma has completed an opportunity when we might be on without Federal strings, in a more effi- his remarks. recess to deploy troops to Bosnia. Not cient way, that we are going to save The PRESIDING OFFICER. The too long ago, before the Senate Armed the Medicare system from bankruptcy, Chair will recognize the Senator from Services Committee, we had Secretary so that it will be there for our future Nebraska, Senator EXON, following the Christopher, Secretary Perry, and Gen- generations. remarks of the Senator from Okla- eral Shalikashvili. I asked them the Mr. President, we are keeping a homa. question, after they defined the mis- promise, and it is not an easy one. It The Senator from Oklahoma is recog- sion the United States has in Bosnia. would be more comfortable to just nized. The mission was twofold: First, to con- cave. Sure, I would like for everyone to f tain a civil war to the former Yugo- go back to work in Government. I slavia, and second, to protect our posi- would like to take the easy way out. It SENDING TROOPS TO BOSNIA tion in NATO and the integrity of would be much more comfortable. But, Mr. INHOFE. Madam President, let NATO. I felt—and I think several other Mr. President, my constituents did not me thank both Senators from Nebraska people who have spoken on this floor put their faith in me to take the com- who have been kind enough to allow feel the same way—that those two mis- fortable, easy way out. My constitu- me to have a little time. I appreciate it sions are not worth the loss of one life. ents elected me because they believed very much. I will try to return the Shortly before, General Rose—Mi- that I would keep my promise. favor some time. chael Rose, who is the commanding November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17431 general of the U.N. forces in Bosnia— I had occasion to be at the national Mr. EXON. Mr. President, I thank my had made a statement that if America prayer breakfast where we had several colleague from Oklahoma for his his- gets involved and sends troops over to foreign visitors coming in, and one tory lesson on Nebraska politics. My Bosnia, we will lose more lives than we from Moldavia, a former Soviet State, colleague from Nebraska and I know a lost in the Persian Gulf war, which was came in very proud. He was smiling. He great deal about the history of politics 390. I asked the question to all three of said: ‘‘Senator INHOFE, how much in in the State of Nebraska. these top officials representing the America do you get to keep?’’ I simply say to him one of the great President of the United States. I said, I said, ‘‘I am sorry, I do not under- experiences of my lifetime has been ‘‘Is that mission worth the loss of 400 stand what you are saying.’’ service in the U.S. Senate with Henry or more American lives?’’ Secretary He said, ‘‘Well, how much in America Bellmon, two times elected Governor Perry said, ‘‘Yes.’’ Secretary Chris- do you have to give the Government so of his State. Some of the lessons that I topher said, ‘‘Yes.’’ General you can keep something?’’ have learned were at the knee of Henry Shalikashvili said, ‘‘Yes.’’ Then I knew what he was talking Bellmon when I came here as a fresh- I think there is the honest difference about. He was talking about how much man after two terms, 8 years as Gov- of opinion, and we need to see how that do we pay in taxes. I gave an answer I ernor of the State of Nebraska, so I opinion is shared by the American peo- would be embarrassed to share on the also know something about the politi- ple and by both Houses of Congress. floor because I am not sure how accu- cal history of that State. I certainly admonish the President if, rate it is, because he said in all pride f during this period of time, if the temp- they have a system over there in tation comes to deploy troops, to think Moldavia where they work for about 3 THE BALANCED BUDGET of the troops going over there without months and they have to pay the Gov- Mr. EXON. Mr. President, I have been the American people behind them. ernment—he said, ‘‘We pay the govern- listening with great care to the speech- f ment 80 percent of what we make,’’ and es that have been made here. I noticed then with the pride showing through in on two occasions my Republican col- A HISTORIC TIME this new-found democracy and free leagues have brought the name of Mr. INHOFE. Mr. President, this is economy he thought they had, he said, Thomas Jefferson into the discussions. truly a historic time. Some of us have ‘‘We get to keep 20 percent.’’ It was somewhat amusing to me. I do been working on this idea of balancing We look at that in this country, how not know what position Thomas Jeffer- the budget for many, many years. could they be so proud of being able to son would take if he were on the floor When I look over and see the two very keep just 20 percent? But the fact re- of the U.S. Senate today, but as the distinguished Senators from Nebraska, mains that someone born today, such founder of the Democratic Party I sus- I want to remind them of another great as my three grandchildren, if we do not pect that he might not appreciate too Senator from Nebraska in years past. do something to change this course, much the Republicans invoking his His name is Carl Curtis. then that person is going to have to name in the support of the proposals Carl Curtis, back in 1972, came to me pay 82 percent of their lifetime income that they are making. as a member of the Oklahoma State just to support Government. Facetiously, it kind of reminded me, Senate and he said we want to get a Mr. President, I will conclude by Mr. President, of my own dad. As a balanced budget amendment to the sharing an exciting experience I had a very young lad, brought up in a very Constitution passed. He said, of course year ago yesterday, November 17, 1994. traditional Democratic household with if that happens we have to have the I was sworn in as a Member of the U.S. Franklin Roosevelt the new President States ratify it. Senate. That happened to be my 60th of the United States, whom my mother He had an idea. This came from the birthday. I thought a year ago, how in and father and grandfather thought genius from the State of Nebraska, I the world could I ever top this? What was an outstanding individual, and I say to the two Senators from Ne- do you do for an encore? You are sworn was thoroughly brought up in the braska. He said we should preratify a in as a Member of the U.S. Senate on Democratic traditions. balanced budget amendment. Go to the your 60th birthday. After going to school one day, I came States and get two-thirds of the States I say, what are we going to do for the home and I told my dad we had studied or three-fourths of the States to 61st birthday? Yet, something much a President by the name of Abraham preratify a balanced budget amend- more exciting happened on my 61st Lincoln, and I asked my dad what he ment to the Constitution. birthday yesterday. We passed the Bal- thought of Abraham Lincoln. I did not I introduced a resolution in the Okla- anced Budget Act of 1995. This is the tell dad that I discovered that Abra- homa State Senate. It passed. We be- act that is going to take our kids out ham Lincoln was a Republican. came the first State to preratify a bal- of bondage. My dad said, ‘‘Jim, Abraham Lincoln anced budget amendment. As difficult as it is, and I heard it was one of the greatest Presidents that I remember the argument at that demagogued around this Chamber that this Nation ever had or probably ever time. At that time the total national we will be slashing programs. We know will have. He was a truly outstanding debt was $400 billion and there were we will not slash programs. We know American.’’ radio and TV ads and they were stack- we will be increasing Medicare, for ex- I said, ‘‘Yes, dad, but he was a Repub- ing hundred-dollar bills up—at that ample, at a greater rate of growth than lican.’’ time I believe the Empire State Build- the President himself had suggested be- Dad paused for a moment, and he ing was the tallest building—and they fore. said, ‘‘Well, yes, Jim, but if Abraham were stacking $100 bills up and they I think clearly right now the ball is Lincoln were alive today he would be a said that is the size of the national in the court of the President. We have Democrat.’’ debt. passed it in the House. We have passed Now, maybe that is the reverse of Of course we know today that was it in the Senate. It is now up to the what my Republican colleagues are ar- just a drop in the bucket. That is how American people, because we know one guing today. But at least I loved my significant this thing is. That is how thing about our President, he does lis- dad and my dad said that to me in jest. long many of us have been working on ten very carefully and watch the polls. So when we start instituting the it. This is truly the opportunity that If it becomes very evident to him that names of great leaders, Presidents, po- we have to do it. this is the last opportunity we have to litical leaders of the past, sometimes The Senator from Indiana just a few commit ourselves in America to a bal- we take license that probably we are minutes ago made a statement that anced budget, as I believe this is our not entitled to. rang a bell. He said this is a moral last chance, then, I think he may not Mr. President, there has been a lot of issue. I think we should look at what be doing as he said, and will sign the talk about balancing the budget here. I we are faced with and what the Presi- Balanced Budget Act of 1995. hear the Republican cry today and I dent is faced with, his temptation to I thank the Senators from Nebraska think they are talking about saving veto this Balanced Budget Act of 1995, for allowing me to move ahead. the children and saving the grand- to look at it as a moral issue. I yield the floor. children. S 17432 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 Mr. President, although there may be about the skyrocketing national debt ate and the House versions of the budg- some that can top me, I have three of the United States of America. I am et reconciliation had responsible provi- children and I have eight grand- fearful all too few of our citizens fully sions for the leasing of the area. How- children, and I am just as much con- understand the difference between the ever, there was a substantial difference cerned about their futures as any other annual deficit and the national debt, in the approach and language in the Member in this body. But to indicate, the latter being, of course, with addi- two measures. As chairman of the En- by inference at least, that if I do not go tions each and every year, the shortfall ergy and Natural Resources Committee along with their draconian budget pro- we have been going through here, un- I thought it would be important to out- posals, that I think are unwise and un- fortunately, for a long, long time with line the intent of the conferees on the fair, I am not concerned about my chil- regard to spending more than we take ANWR provision. I ask unanimous con- dren and grandchildren, is just a little in. sent that a section-by-section analysis bit too much for me to swallow. In that regard, though, a little his- which provides a detailed description I was Governor of Nebraska for 8 tory might be in order. The last Demo- of the ANWR provision, and other ma- years. As Governor, I balanced the cratic President of the United States terial, be printed in the RECORD. budget each and every year, as did my that we had before the present occu- There being no objection, the mate- colleague, Senator KERREY, from Ne- pant of that high office was former rial was ordered to be printed in the braska, who is on the floor, who fol- Governor Carter of the State of Geor- RECORD, as follows: lowed me by a few years. He balanced gia. I would cite—and I think the SECTION-BY-SECTION ANAYLSIS the budget each and every year. So I record will back me up—when Presi- simply say, probably, from the stand- dent Carter left office the national Section 5312. Short Title. point of history, I was balancing budg- debt of the United States was under $1 This section adopts the chapter from sec- ets in government before some people trillion. tion 5201 of the Senate bill. The purpose of had ever been elected to public office. What happened in the intervening this section is self-explanatory. I follow that up by saying I think the years when we had Republican Presi- Section 5322. Definitions. record of this Senator has been very dents of the United States? From 1980, This section adopts the language of section clear. All the time I have served the when President Carter left office and 5203 of the Senate bill with minor modifica- public of Nebraska and all the time I the debt was under $1 trillion, some 12 tions. The intent of this section is self-ex- have had the opportunity to serve the years later, when President Clinton planatory. people of Nebraska and the people of took office, the national debt had sky- Section 5333. Leasing Program for Lands Within the Nation as a whole as a U.S. Sen- rocketed fivefold, from under $1 tril- the Coastal Plain. ator, I have put forth many, many ef- lion to $4.5 trillion. Subsection 5333(a). Authorization. forts, of which the latest was to vote Some would argue during most of Subsection 5333(a) adopts the language in for the Republican-sponsored constitu- that time there was Democratic con- section 5204(a) of the Senate bill with minor tional amendment to balance the budg- trol of both Houses of the Congress, modifications. This subsection directs the et in 7 years. While I agree with that and that is true. But the facts of the Secretary and other appropriate Federal offi- principle, that does not mean, nor matter are, had those Republican cers and agencies to take such actions as are should anyone necessarily construe Presidents in the years 1980 to 1992 necessary to establish and implement a com- anything, just because I voted for a stood up and exercised their veto, as petitive oil and gas leasing program that will this President has stood up strongly result in an environmentally sound program constitutional amendment to balance for the exploration, development, and pro- the budget that was primarily sup- and said he will exercise his veto, the duction of the oil and gas resources of the ported and advanced by the Repub- national debt would not have taken the Coastal Plain. In doing so, the Secretary is licans with the help of nearly enough jump and be as troublesome as it is to ensure receipt of the fair market value of Democrats to pass it. I think my cre- today. the mineral resources to be leased. The sub- dentials of being a dedicated conserv- The problem we are in today is not section requires the Secretary to ensure that ative with regard to fiscal policy are all the responsibility of the Democrats activities will result in ‘‘no significant ad- well established. or all the responsibility of the Repub- verse effect on fish and wildlife, their habi- I, too, listened with great interest to licans. Certainly, the Democrats, I tat, and the environment.’’ Operations on the Coastal Plain must also be conducted the remarks made by the President of think, are, by our traditions, by the using the ‘‘best commercially available tech- the United States today. I did not, record that we have established, as nology for oil and gas exploration, develop- strangely enough, come away from lis- much concerned about the children of ment and production.’’ tening to those remarks with the same America in the future as anyone else. I This ‘‘environmental standard’’ is based on conclusions as my friend and colleague happen to think you will see a growing the provisions of Title VII of S. 1220, au- from Indiana. I thought the President portion of both Democrats and Repub- thored by Senator Johnston and reported by of the United States today laid it on licans in the U.S. Senate—and hope- the Senate Energy and Natural Resources the line. I may concede that possibly fully in the House of Representatives— Committees on June 5, 1991. This is the he may have gone a little too far in his anxious to come to some workable un- strongest standard ever imposed on Federal oil and gas activities. The companion provi- rhetoric, but compared with some of derstanding, some framework where we sion of the House bill was based on the 1981 the rhetoric I have heard from the can, indeed, balance the Federal budget oil and gas leasing authorization for the Na- other side of the aisle on the Senate in 7 years. tional Petroleum Reserve-Alaska. Oil and floor in the last few days, I would ex- I am continuing to work toward that gas leases have been issued under this au- cuse the President for any oversteps end. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I thorization and standard. It has worked well that he had made in that regard. hope once again we can contain our to protect the environment, land and fish I think it is clear to say, though, rhetoric just a little bit and give the and wildlife on the North Slope. that the President of the United States leadership of the House and Senate an In making its decision to authorize and di- said today that during his term of of- opportunity to come to some resolu- rect an oil and gas leasing program in the fice he has essentially cut the annual tion of the crisis which faces us today. Coastal Plain, the Conferees find that oil and I yield the floor. gas activities authorized and conducted on deficit in half. That is more than has the Coastal Plain pursuant to the chapter so been done for a long, long time. So, at f as to result in no significant adverse effect least in our criticisms of the present on fish and wildlife, their habitat, and the President of the United States, for ANWR PROVISION OF THE environment, are compatible with the major whatever reason, we should realize and RECONCILIATION BILL purposes for which the Arctic National Wild- recognize that, under his leadership, we Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, life Refuge was established. No further find- have cut the deficit and not continued with the passage of the conference re- ings, decisions or reviews are required to im- to raise it. port on the reconciliation bill last plement this Congressional authorization. I would simply point out, I want to night I thought there should be an ex- The Conferees specifically find that no fur- ther determination of compatibility by the share and be one of the workhorses in planation of the provision on the leas- Secretary under the National Wildlife Ref- cooperation, in full cooperation, when I ing of the coastal plain of the Arctic uge System Administration Act is necessary can, with my colleagues on the Repub- National Wildlife Refuge for oil and gas to implement this Congressional authoriza- lican side of the aisle to do something exploration and production. The Sen- tion and direction. The Conferees believe the November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17433 provisions of the conference report in gen- incorporated by reference by this subsection Village of Kaktovik, and, where consistent eral are very clear on this point. Subsection and apply to the activities authorized by this with this chapter and the laws and policy of (c) of this section again reiterates this policy chapter. the United States, the views of others who and Congressional intent on this matter. Subsection 5333(f). Special areas have legitimate interests in the activities authorized and the manner in which they are Subsection 5333(b). Repeal Subsection 5333(f) adopts the language of Subsection 5333(b) adopts the language in carried out. subsection 5207(d) of the Senate bill with The Conferees also expect that the Sec- section 5204(b) of the Senate bill and is sub- modifications. This subsection permits the retary shall prepare and promulgate regula- stantially similar to section 9002(f) of the Secretary to close up to 45,000 acres of the tions, lease terms, conditions, restrictions, House bill. This subsection repeals the prohi- Coastal Plain to leasing if, after consulting prohibitions, stipulations, and other meas- bitions and limitations on leasing and devel- with the State of Alaska and the North ures in a manner designed to ensure that the opment of oil and gas resources on lands Slope Borough, he determines that the areas activities undertaken in the Coastal Plain within the Coastal Plain set forth in section to be closed require special management and and authorized by the chapter are conducted 1003 of the Alaska National Interest Lands regulatory protection due to unique char- in a manner consistent with the purposes Conservation Act of 1980, 16 U.S.C. § 3143. acter or interest. The Conference Committee and the environmental requirements of this Subsection 5333(c). Compatibility contemplates that the Secretary may use chapter. In preparing and promulgating reg- Subsection 5333(c) adopts the language in this provision to provide any special protec- ulations, lease terms, conditions, restric- section 9002(c) of the House bill. This sub- tion needed for areas such as the Sadlerochit tions, prohibitions, and stipulations under section provides that the oil and gas activi- Hot Springs. The House bill authorized 30,000 this chapter, the Conferees recommend and ties authorized by this chapter in the Coast- acres and the Senate 60,000 acres. This provi- expect that the Secretary will consider: al Plain are compatible with the purposes for sion is a compromise on the acreage. This (1) the environmental protection standards which the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge subsection permits the Secretary to issue oil which governed the initial Coastal Plain was established, and that no further findings and gas leases in such Special Areas provided seismic exploration program (50 C.F.R. or decisions are required to implement this that the protection needed can be attained § 37.31–33); determination. This subsection recognizes by limiting surface use and occupancy, but (2) the land use stipulations for explor- the wealth of study and review that has al- permitting the use of the very significant ad- atory drilling on the KIC-ASRC private lands ready occurred pursuant to environmental, vances made in recent years in horizontal which are set forth in Appendix 2 of the Au- natural resources, and other statutes. Based drilling technology. gust 9, 1983 Land Exchange Agreement be- on these reports and on the concrete experi- Subsection 5333(g). Limitation on closed areas tween Arctic Slope Regional Corporation and ence of environmental safety of on-shore de- the United States; and Subsection 5333(g) adopts language from velopment in neighboring Prudhoe Bay and (3) the operational stipulations for Koniag subsection 9002(g)(3)(B) of the House bill with other large, producing oil and gas fields on ANWR Interest lands contained in the draft minor modifications. This subsection pro- the North Slope of Alaska, the Conferees find Agreement between Koniag, Inc. and the vides that the Secretary’s sole authority to that development of the 1002 area is consist- United States of America on file with the close lands within the Coastal Plain to oil ent with the conservation purposes for which Secretary of the Interior on December 1, and gas leasing and to exploration, develop- the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was es- 1987. ment, and production is that set forth in this tablished. This subsection reflects the intent The Conferees further expect that the pro- chapter. The language provides, and the Con- of the Conferees that the activities author- posed regulations, lease terms, conditions, ferees intend, that only the provisions of the ized in this chapter commence as soon as restrictions, prohibitions, and stipulations chapter may be used by the Secretary to possible, without any intervening delay that for the leasing program authorized by this close Coastal Plain lands to the activities might be occasioned by further findings or chapter will require compliance with appli- authorized by this chapter. No other provi- decisions. This provision is, of course, repet- cable provisions of Federal, State and local sion of law or international agreement may itive of the purposes of this chapter as ex- environmental law and may also require be used by the Secretary for this purpose. pressed in other sections. compliance with: Subsection 5333(h). Conveyance (1) the safety and environmental mitiga- Subsection 5333(d). Sole authority tion measures set forth in items 1 through 29 Subsection 5333(h) adopts language from Subsection 5333(d) adopts the language of at pages 167 through 169 of the ‘‘Final Legis- subsection 9002(j) of the House bill with subsection 5204(c) of the Senate bill with lative Environmental Impact Statement’’ minor modifications. The subsection directs modifications. This subsection provides that (April 1987) on the Coastal Plain; this chapter and the authorities referenced the Secretary to convey certain surface in- (2) seasonal limitations on exploration, de- therein shall be the sole authority for oil and terests in land to Kaktovik Inupiat Corpora- velopment and related activities, where rea- gas leasing on the Coastal Plain. This chap- tion in order to fulfill the corporation’s out- sonably necessary, to avoid significant ad- ter directs a specific program of environ- standing legal entitlement under section 12 verse effects during periods of concentrated mentally responsible leasing for the Coastal of the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act fish and wildlife breeding, denning, nesting, Plain. The Conferees intend that this pro- (ANCSA). The Secretary must also convey spawning and migration; gram be carried forward and implemented in the subsurface interests in these lands to (3) limitations on exploration activities, good faith by the Secretary and the Adminis- Arctic Slope Regional Corporation in order except for surface geological studies, to the tration. The purposes and directives of this to fulfill the August 9, 1983 agreement be- period between approximately November 1 chapter are not to be frustrated or delayed tween Arctic Slope Regional Corporation and and May 1, and requirements that explo- by other provisions of existing law or the the United States of America. These lands ration activities will be supported by ice provisions of any treaty or international have been previously identified and the Unit- roads, winter trails with adequate snow agreement to which the United States is a ed States has a legal obligation to complete cover, ice pads, ice airstrips, and air trans- party. The subsection also explicitly pro- the transfer of chapter in accordance with port methods, but that such exploration ac- vides that this chapter does not preempt the provisions of ANCSA and the 1983 Agree- tivities may be permitted at other times if State and local regulatory authority. The ment. The conveyance of these lands will re- special circumstances exist necessitating State of Alaska and the North Slope Bor- move clouds on title of lands and clarify land that exploration activities be conducted at ough (NSB) have a long record of competent ownership patterns within the Coastal Plain, other times of the year and such exploration and environmentally responsible regulation maximizing federal revenues by ensuring the will have no significant adverse effect on fish of oil and gas activities on the North Slope. availability of federal lands for leasing. and wildlife, their habitat, and the environ- It is the Conferees clear intent that the Section 5334. Rules and regulations ment of the Coastal Plain; State and the NSB shall continue to exercise Subsection 5334(a). Promulgation. (4) appropriate design safety and construc- their existing regulatory responsibilities to tion standards for pipelines and any access Subsection 5334(a) adopts the language of and service roads to avoid— ensure good land use planning, environ- section 5205(a) of the Senate bill. This sub- mental protection, proper fish and wildlife (A) adverse effects upon the passage of mi- section provides that the Secretary shall gratory species, including caribou; and management, and continuation of important prescribe such rules and regulations as may subsistence activities. (B) adverse effects upon the flow of surface be necessary to carry out the purposes and water by requiring the use of culverts, Subsection 5333(e). Federal land provisions of this chapter, including rules bridges and other structural devices; Subsection 5333(e) adopts the language of and regulations relating to protection of the (5) any reasonable prohibitions on public subsection 5204(d) of the Senate bill. This environment and resources of the Coastal access and use on pipeline access and service subsection provides that the Coastal Plain Plain. Such rules and regulations shall be roads; shall be considered ‘‘Federal land’’ for pur- promulgated within fourteen (14) months (6) appropriate reclamation and rehabilita- poses of the Federal Oil and Gas Royalty after the date of enactment of this chapter. tion requirements, consistent with the Management Act of 1982 (FOGRMA). As pro- In the formulation and promulgation of standards set forth in this chapter, requiring vided in section 304 of FOGRMA, 30 U.S.C. rules and regulations under this chapter, the the removal from the Coastal Plain of all oil § 1753, that Act applies only to the extent it Conferees expect that the Secretary will re- and gas development and production facili- is not inconsistent with this chapter. In par- quest and give due consideration to the ties, structures and equipment upon comple- ticular, the penalty provisions of sections views of appropriate officials of the State of tion of oil and gas production operations, but 109–112 of the Act, 30 U.S.C. §§ 1719–1722, are Alaska, the North Slope Borough, and the that the Secretary may exempt from these S 17434 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 requirements those facilities, structures or lative Environmental Impact Statement’’ subsection provides that the Secretary is au- equipment which the Secretary determines (April 1987) on the Coastal Plain, prepared by thorized to grant to the highest responsible would assist in the management of the Arc- the Department of the Interior pursuant to qualified bidder by sealed competitive cash tic National Wildlife Refuge and which are section 1002 of the ANILCA and section bonus bid any lands to be leased on the donated to the United States for that pur- 102(2)(C) of the National Environmental Pol- Coastal Plain upon payment by the lessee of pose; icy Act of 1969 (NEPA), is found by the Con- such bonus as may be accepted by the Sec- (7) appropriate and reasonable restrictions gress to be adequate to satisfy the legal and retary and such royalty as contained in the on access by modes of transportation; procedural requirements under NEPA with lease. Royalties shall be not less than 121⁄2 (8) appropriate and reasonable restrictions respect to actions authorized to be taken by per centum in amount or value of the pro- on necessary sand and gravel extraction; the Secretary to develop and promulgate the duction removed or sold from the lease. (9) consolidation of facility siting; regulations for the establishment of the leas- Subsection 5337(b). Antitrust review (10) appropriate and reasonable restrictions ing program, to conduct the first lease sale Subsection 5337(b) adopts language from on use of explosives; authorized by the chapter, and, in addition, subsection 5208(b) of the Senate bill. This (11) the avoidance, to the extent prac- to grant all rights-of-way and easements to subsection provides that following each no- ticable, of springs, streams and river sys- carry out the purposes of this chapter. tice of a proposed lease sale and before the tems; protection of natural surface drainage Except as provided in this section, nothing acceptance of bids, the Secretary shall allow patterns, wetlands, and riparian habitats; in this chapter shall be considered or con- the Attorney General, in consultation with and reasonable regulation of methods or strued as otherwise limiting or affecting in the Federal Trade Commission, 30 days to techniques for developing or transporting any way the applicability of section 102(2)(C) conduct an antitrust review of each lease adequate supplies of water for exploratory of the National Environmental Policy Act of sale. drilling; 1969 to other phases of exploration, develop- (12) appropriate and reasonable restrictions ment and production and related activities Subsection 5337(c). Subsequent transfers on air traffic-related activities which might conducted under or associated with the leas- Subsection 5337(c) adopts language from disturb fish and wildlife; ing program authorized by this chapter. subsection 5208(c) of the Senate bill. This (13) accepted industry standards for the Section 5336. Lease sales subsection provides that no lease issued treatment and disposal of hazardous and under the chapter may be sold, exchanged, Subsection 5336(a). Lease sales toxic wastes, solid wastes, reserve pit fluids, assigned, or otherwise transferred except drilling muds and cuttings, if any, and do- Subsection 5336(a) adopts language from with the approval of the Secretary. Prior to mestic wastewater, in accordance with appli- section 5207(a) of the Senate bill. This sub- any such approval, the Secretary shall con- cable Federal and State environmental law; section provides that lands in the Coastal sult with, and give due consideration to the (14) applicable fuel storage and oil spill Plain may be leased pursuant to the provi- views of, the Attorney General. contingency planning; sions of this chapter to any person who is Subsection 5337(d). Immunity (15) reasonable research, monitoring and qualified to obtain a lease for deposits of oil reporting requirements; and gas under the Mineral Leasing Act, as Subsection 5337(d) adopts language from (16) appropriate field crew environmental amended. subsection 5208(d) of the Senate bill. This subsection provides that nothing in the briefings; Subsection 5336(b). Procedures (17) avoidance of any reasonably antici- chapter shall be deemed to convey to any Subsection 5336(b) adopts language from pated significant adverse effects upon sub- person, association, corporation, or other section 5207(b) of the Senate bill with modi- sistence hunting, fishing, and trapping by business organization immunity from civil fications. This subsection provides that the subsistence users; or criminal liability, or to create defenses to Secretary shall, by regulation, establish pro- (18) applicable air and water quality stand- actions, under any antitrust law. It is the in- cedures for nominating and designating ards; tent of the conferees that the findings of any (19) appropriate seasonal and safety zone areas to be included or excluded from the antitrust review shall not create any immu- designations around oil and gas well sites lease sale. In reviewing nominations and nity or defenses in any private or govern- within which subsistence hunting and trap- considering lands to be offered for leasing, ment antitrust actions. the Secretary shall engage in periodic con- ping would be limited; Subsection 5337(e). Definitions (20) reasonable stipulations for protection sultation with the State of Alaska, the North Slope Borough and other affected local Subsection 5337(e) adopts language from of cultural and archeological resources; and subsection 13106(e) of the Senate bill. This (21) other protective environmental stipu- governments in Alaska, prospective oil and gas lessees, and representatives of other indi- subsection sets forth definitions of ‘‘anti- lations, restrictions, terms, and conditions trust review’’ and ‘‘antitrust laws.’’ which are reasonably deemed necessary by viduals or organizations engaged in activity the Secretary and based upon prior regu- in or on the Coastal Plain, including those Section 5338. Lease terms and conditions latory requirements. engaged in subsistence uses. Section 5338 adopts language from section The Conference Committee further expects Subsection 5336(c). Lease sales on coastal 5209 of the Senate bill with modifications that the regulations will also provide for ap- plain based on the House bill. Paragraph (1) pro- propriate plans to govern, guide, and direct Subsection 5336(c) adopts language from vides that lease tracts shall consist of a com- the siting and construction of facilities for section 5207(c) of the Senate bill with modi- pact area not to exceed 5,760 acres, or 9 sur- the exploration, development, production, fications based on the House bill. This sub- veyed or protracted sections, whichever is and transportation of Coastal Plain oil and section provides that the Secretary shall, by larger. gas resources. Any such plans shall have the regulation, provide for oil and gas lease sales Paragraph (2) provides that oil and gas following objectives: of the lands located within the Coastal leases shall be for an initial period of ten (1) avoiding unnecessary duplication of fa- Plain. For the first lease sale, the Secretary years and shall be extended for so long there- cilities and activities; shall offer for lease those acres receiving the after as oil or gas is produced in paying (2) encouraging consolidation of common greatest number of nominations, but not less quantities from the lease or unit area to facilities and activities; than 200,000 and no more than 300,000 acres which the lease is committed or for so long (3) locating or confining facilities and ac- shall be offered for sale by competitive bid. as drilling or reworking operations, in ac- tivities to areas which will minimize impact If the total acreage nominated is less than cordance with law and as approved by the on fish and wildlife, their habitat, and the 200,000 acres, the Secretary shall include in Secretary, are conducted on the lease or unit environment; such sale any other acreage which he be- area. (4) utilizing existing facilities wherever lieves has the highest resource potential, but Paragraph (3) provides that leases shall re- practicable; and in no event shall more than 300,000 acres of quire the payment of royalty of not less than (5) enhancing compatibility between wild- the Coastal Plain be offered in any such sale. 121⁄2 per centum in amount or value of the life values and development activities. Thereafter, no less than 200,000 acres of the production removed or sold from the lease or Subsection 5334(b). Revision of regulations Coastal Plain may be leased in any one lease unit area. Paragraph (4) provides that exploration ac- Subsection 5334(b) adopts the language of sale. The initial lease sale shall be held with- tivities pursuant to any lease issued or subsection 5205(b) of the Senate bill. This in twenty (20) months of the date of enact- maintained under this chapter shall be con- subsection provides that the Secretary shall ment of this chapter. The second lease sale ducted in accordance with an exploration periodically review and, where and if appro- shall be held 24 months after the initial sale, plan or a revision of such plan approved by priate, revise the rules and regulations to re- with additional sales conducted no later the Secretary. Prior to commencing explo- flect new and significant data and informa- than every twelve (12) months thereafter so ration pursuant to any oil and gas lease is- tion. long as sufficient interest in development ex- ists to warrant the conduct of such competi- sued or maintained under this chapter, the Section 5335. Adequacy of the Department of the tive lease sales. holder of the lease will submit an explo- Interior’s legislative environmental impact ration plan to the Secretary for approval. Section 5337. Grant of leases by the Secretary statement The Secretary shall act expeditiously in re- Section 5335 adopts language from section Subsection 5337(a). In general viewing such plans. Such plan may apply to 5206 of the Senate bill with modifications. Subsection 5337(a) adopts language from more than one lease held by a lessee in any This section provides that the ‘‘Final Legis- subsection 5208(a) of the Senate bill. This region of the Coastal Plain, or by a group of November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17435 lessees acting under a unitization, pooling, the lease may be canceled by the Secretary and wildlife, their habitat, subsistence uses or drilling agreement, and shall be approved if the default continues for a period of more and the environment to avoid any significant by the Secretary if the Secretary finds that than thirty (30) days after mailing of notice adverse effects. such plan is consistent with the provisions of by registered letter to the lease owner at the Paragraph (19) provides that the lease- this chapter and other applicable law. lease owner’s record post office address. holder, its agents, and its contractors use Paragraph (5) requires that all develop- Paragraph (11) provides that whenever the their best efforts to provide a fair share, as ment and production pursuant to a lease is- owner of any producing lease fails to comply determined by the level of obligation de- sued or maintained pursuant to a lease is- with any of the provisions of the chapter, or scribed in the 1974 agreement implementing sued or maintained pursuant to this chapter of any applicable provision of Federal or section 29 of the Federal Agreement and shall be conducted in accordance with an ap- State environmental law, or of the lease, or Grant of Right of Way for the Operation of proved development and production plan. of any regulation issued under this chapter, the Trans-Alaska Pipeline, of employment Such plans may apply to more than one lease the lease may be forfeited and canceled by and contracting for Alaska Natives and Alas- held by a lessee in any region of the Coastal any appropriate proceeding brought by the ka Native Corporations from throughout the Plain, or by a group of lessees acting under Secretary in any United States district court State. a unitization, pooling, or drilling agreement, having jurisdiction under the provisions of The Conference Committee members are and shall be approved by the Secretary if the this chapter. fully aware of the Department of the Interi- Secretary finds that such plan is consistent Paragraph (12) provides that cancellation or’s failure to monitor and enforce section 29 with the provisions of this chapter and other of a lease under this chapter shall in no way of the 1974 Right of Way Agreement for applicable law. release the owner of the lease from the obli- TAPS. The Committee intends that the De- The Conferees further expect that the Sec- gation to provide for reclamation of the partment as well as lessees use all best ef- retary, in the regulations promulgated pur- lease site or other area disturbed by the les- forts to enforce and comply with this statu- suant to the chapter, will require lessees to sees activities. tory provision and directed lease term and include in any exploration or development Paragraph (13) provides that the lessee condition of leases and other Coastal Plain plans submitted, appropriate and relevant may, at the discretion of the Secretary, be authorizations. information concerning the plan. permitted at any time to make written relin- Paragraph (20) provides that the leases is- The Conferees also expect that the Sec- quishment of all rights under any lease is- sued pursuant to this chapter shall contain retary will provide in the regulations for the sued pursuant to this chapter. The Secretary such other provisions as the Secretary deter- expeditious consideration of any exploration shall accept the relinquishment by the lessee mines necessary to ensure compliance with or development plans submitted. After an ex- of any lease issued under this chapter where the provisions of this chapter and the regula- ploration or development and production there has not been surface disturbance on tions issued thereunder. plan is submitted for approval, the regula- the lands covered by the lease. Section 5339. Bonding requirements to ensure fi- tions should provide that the Secretary shall Paragraph (14) provides that, for the pur- nancial responsibility of lessee and avoid promptly publish notice of the submission pose of conserving the natural resources of federal liability and availability of the text of the proposed any oil or gas pool, field, or like area, or any Subsection 5339(a). Requirement plan in the Federal Register and a newspaper part thereof, and in order to avoid the unnec- Subsection 5339(a) adopts language from of general circulation in the State of Alaska essary duplication of facilities, to protect subsection 5210(a) of the Senate bill. This and provide an opportunity for written pub- the environment of the Coastal Plain, and to subsection sets forth the requirement for a lic comment. The Conferees expect that, protect correlative rights, the Secretary bond, surety or other financial arrangement within one hundred twenty days after receiv- shall require, to the greatest extent prac- to ensure reclamation of the lease tract and ing an exploration or development and pro- ticable, that lessee unite with each other in restoration of any lands or surface waters duction plan, the Secretary will determine, collectively adopting and operating under a adversely affected by lease operations. The after taking into account any comments re- cooperative or unit plan of development for provisions of the subsection are self-explana- ceived, whether the activities proposed in operation of such pool, field, or like area, or tory. the plan are consistent with this chapter and any part thereof. The Secretary is also au- Subsection 5339(b). Amount other applicable provisions of Federal law. thorized and directed to enter into such Subsection 5339(b) adopts language from The Secretary, as a condition of approving agreements as are necessary or appropriate subsection 5210(b) of the Senate bill. This any plan under this section may require for the protection of the United States subsection sets forth the requirements relat- modifications to the plan that the Secretary against drainage. ing to the amount of the bond, surety, or determines necessary to make the plan con- Paragraph (15) requires that the holder of a lease or leases on lands within the Coastal other financial arrangement. The provisions sistent with this chapter. The Secretary may of the subsection are self-explanatory. assess reasonable fees or charges for the re- Plain shall be fully responsible and liable for imbursement of all necessary and reasonable the reclamation of any lands within the Subsection 5339(c). Adjustment costs associated with reviewing the plan and Coastal Plain and any other Federal lands Subsection 5339(c) adopts language from monitoring its implementation. The Sec- adversely affected in connection with explo- subsection 5210(c) of the Senate bill. This retary may also require such periodic reports ration, development, or transportation ac- subsection provides that in the event that an regarding the carrying out of the drilling tivities on a lease within the Coastal Plain approved exploration or development and and related activities. by the holder of a lease or as a result of ac- production plan is revised, the Secretary Paragraph (6) provides for the posting of tivities conducted on the lease by any of the may adjust the amount of the bond, surety bond by lessees as required by section 13108. leaseholder’s subcontractors or agents. or financial arrangement to conform to such Paragraph (7) provides that the Secretary Paragraph (16) provides that the holder of modified plan. may close, on a limited seasonal basis, por- a lease may not delegate or convey, by con- Subsection 5339(d). Duration tions of the Coastal Plain to protect calving tract or otherwise, this reclamation respon- Subsection 5339(d) adopts language from during years caribou and other species use sibility and liability to another party with- subsection 5210(d) of the Senate bill. This such areas. out the express written approval of the Sec- subsection provides that the responsibility Paragraph (8) provides that an oil and gas retary. and liability of the lessee and its surety lease shall contain such rental and other rea- Paragraph (17) provides that the leases is- under the bond, surety or other financial ar- sonable fees as the Secretary may prescribe sued pursuant to this chapter shall include rangement shall continue until such time as at the time of offering the area for lease. the standard of reclamation of lands required the Secretary determines that there has Paragraph (9) provides that the Secretary to be reclaimed under this chapter, to a con- been compliance with the terms and condi- may direct or assent to the suspension of op- dition capable of supporting the uses which tions of the lease and all applicable law. erations and production under any lease the lands were capable of supporting prior to granted under the terms of the chapter in any exploration, development, or production Subsection 5339(e). Termination the interest of conservation of the resource activities, or upon application by the lessee, Subsection 5339(e) adopts language from or where there is no available system to to a higher or better use as approved by the subsection 13108(e) of the Senate bill. This transport the resource. If such a suspension Secretary. In the case of roads, drill pads and subsection provides that within 60 days after is directed or assented to by the Secretary, other gravel-foundation structures, reclama- determining that there has been compliance any payment of rental prescribed by such tion and restoration shall be to a condition with the terms and conditions of the lease lease shall be suspended during such period as closely approximating the original condi- and all applicable laws, the Secretary, after of suspension of operations and production, tion of such lands as is feasible using the consultation with affected Federal and State and the term of the lease shall be extended best commercially available technology. agencies, shall notify the lessee that the pe- by adding any such suspension period there- Reclamation of lands shall be conducted in a riod of liability under the bond, surety or fi- to. manner that will not itself impair or cause nancial arrangement has been terminated. Paragraph (10) provides that whenever the significant adverse effects on fish or wildlife, Section 5340. Oil and gas information owner of a nonproducing lease fails to com- their habitat, subsistence uses or the envi- Section 5340 adopts language from section ply with any of the provisions of the chapter, ronment. 5211 of the Senate bill. This section sets or of any applicable provision of Federal or Paragraph (18) requires that the leases is- forth requirements relating to oil and gas in- State environmental law, or of the lease, or sued pursuant to this chapter contain terms formation. The provisions of the section are of any regulation issued under this chapter, and conditions relating to protection of fish self-explanatory. S 17436 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 Section 5341. Expedited judicial review Following the issuance of the 1987 Depart- quires the Secretary to develop procedures Section 5341 adopts language from section ment of the Interior Report and LEIS pursu- for the use of the Fund to ensure account- 5212 of the Senate bill. This section addresses ant to which the then Secretary rec- ability and demonstrable results. judicial review. It requires that all chal- ommended opening the Coastal Plain to an Subsection 5344(b). Use of renewal fund lenges to this chapter or to any action of the environmentally responsible program of oil Secretary under this chapter, including the and gas leasing, some opponents of leasing Subsection 5344(b) explains the purposes promulgation of the regulations under this have alleged that the State might receive 90 for which the Renewal Fund shall be used. chapter, be brought in a timely manner and percent, rather than 50 percent, of such reve- These purposes are drawn from subsection not be raised by a defendant for review dur- nues. This allegation is based upon a provi- 5215(b) of the Senate bill as well as sub- ing an enforcement proceeding. The remain- sion of the 1958 Alaska Statehood Act which section 9002(n)(4) of the House bill. While ing provisions of the section are self-explan- granted Alaska 90 percent of revenues de- subsection 5344(b) would not establish a Fish atory. rived from oil and gas resources located on and Wildlife Conservation Commission as Section 5342. Rights-of-way across the Coastal public lands in Alaska. After this contention provided for under subsection 9002(n)(3) of Plain was first made, Senator Johnston, then the House bill, the conferees intend that the Section 5342 adopts language from section Chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Secretary would fulfill essentially the same 5213 of the Senate bill. This section provides Resources Committee, requested the Solici- fish and wildlife conservation purposes of the that, notwithstanding Title XI of ANILCA, tor of the Department of the Interior to pre- Commission under subsection 5344(b), as well pare a legal memorandum and opinion on the the Secretary is authorized and directed to as other purposes. Specifically, subsection legal validity of this contention. The Solici- grant under section 28, subsections (c) 5344(b) provides for a distribution of Renewal tor’s legal opinion, reprinted as Appendix A through (t) and (v) through (y) of the Min- Fund resources as follows: (1) 25 percent for eral Leasing Act of 1920, rights-of-way and following this statement, was completed and transmitted to Senator Johnston and the the National Park System, similar to re- easements across the Coastal Plain for the quirements of the Senate language; (2) 25 transportation of oil and gas under such Congress on November 4, 1987. The Solicitor’s percent for the National Wildlife Refuge Sys- terms and conditions as may be necessary so legal memorandum and opinion found that tem, similar to requirements of the Senate as not to result in a significant adverse ef- under the Property Clause of the United language; (3) 25 percent for the acquisition of fect on the fish and wildlife, their habitat, States Constitution, the Congress has full subsistence resources and users and the envi- authority to determine the future distribu- privately held habitat of threatened or en- ronment of the Coastal Plain. Such terms tions of revenues derived from oil and gas dangered species, similar to requirements of and conditions shall include requirements leases on public lands generally and on the the House language; and (4) 25 percent for that facilities be sited or modified so as to Coastal Plain in particular. wetlands projects under the North American avoid unnecessary duplication for roads and Finally, when this contention was made Wetlands Conservation Act, similar to the pipelines. The comprehensive oil and gas again in recent weeks during this Congress, House language. leasing and development regulations issued Governor Tony Knowle’s of Alaska submit- Subsection 5344(c). Community assistance pursuant to this chapter shall include provi- ted a letter to the Congress in which he vol- sions regarding the granting of rights-of-way unteered to submit legislation to the State Subsection 5344(c) mostly follows sub- across the Coastal Plain. Section 28 is not, of Legislature to amend the Statehood Com- section 9002(l) of the House bill. This sub- course, applicable to privately owned lands pact to make clear that the State would section would establish a Community Assist- located within the Coastal Plain, which have agree to accept only 50 percent of Coastal ance Fund for distribution, upon application, a guaranteed right of access to private lands Plain oil and gas lease revenues. Ms. Drue of funds to organized boroughs, other munic- under section 1110 of ANILCA. Pearce, President of Alaska State Senate, ipal subdivisions of the State of Alaska, and Section 5343. Enforcement of safety and envi- and Ms. Gail Phillips, Speaker of Alaska recognized Indian Reorganization Act enti- ronmental regulations to ensure compliance Legislature’s House of Representatives, sup- ties which are directly impacted by the ex- with terms and conditions of lease ported Governor Knowles position and, ploration and production of oil and gas on Subsection 5343(a). Responsibility of the sec- again, in letters to the Congress pledged the Coastal Plain authorized by this chapter. retary their best efforts to secure the Legislature’s These organizations, in turn, shall use the enactment of such legislation. Copies of Subsection 5343(a) adopts language from funding to provide public and social services. these letters are attached as Appendix B. section 5214(a) of the Senate bill. This sub- The Secretary shall have at his or her dis- section provides that the Secretary shall Subsection 5344(a). Distribution of revenues posal $30,000,000, and $5,000,000 or less may be diligently enforce all regulations, lease Paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection 5344(a), distributed in grant form in any given year. similar to paragraph (1) of subsection 9002(I) terms, conditions, restrictions, prohibitions, The Conferees anticipate that the services of the House bill, provide that notwithstand- and stipulations promulgated pursuant to provided by local and Native organizations this chapter. ing any other provision of law, all revenues would likely bear some relation to the ac- received from competitive bids, sales, bo- Subsection 5343(b). Responsibility of holders of tivities authorized by this chapter. However, nuses, royalties, rents, fees, or interest de- lease the Conferees have chosen not to limit the Subsection 5343(b) adopts language from rived from the leasing of oil and gas re- sources on Federal lands within the Arctic purposes for which a local or Native organi- section 5214(b) of the Senate bill. This sub- zation may devote Fund proceeds. Thus, a section sets forth responsibilities of holders National Wildlife Refuge, Alaska shall be distributed to the U.S. Treasury, with 50 per- local or Native organization could provide of a lease. The provisions of this subsection services such as a transportation shuttle, a are self-explanatory. cent of such revenues to be distributed to the State of Alaska on a semiannual basis. job training and placement service, or a con- Subsection 5343(c). On-site inspection Subparagraph (3)(A) generally follows the servation program, which would be directly Subsection 5343(c) adopts language from last clause of subsection 5215(a) of the Senate related to the activities authorized by this section 5214(c) of the Senate bill. This sub- bill. It requires that the Secretary of the chapter. Nevertheless, out of deference to section provides that the Secretary shall Treasury monitor the total amount of bonus local decisionmakers, subsection 5344(c) promulgate regulations to provide for on-site bid revenue deposited into the Treasury from would not prohibit a local or Native program inspection of facilities. The provisions of oil and gas leases issued under the authority addressing immunization, education, or an- this subsection are self-explanatory. of this chapter. All monies deposited in the other service less directly related to oil and Section 5344. New revenues Treasury in excess of $2,600,000,000 shall be gas leasing on the Coastal Plain. Section 5344 adopts language from section distributed as follows: 50 per centum to the Subsection 5344(c) allows funds to be dis- 5215 of the Senate bill with modifications. State of Alaska and 50 per centum into a spe- tributed only to groups ‘‘directly’’ impacted Section 5344 provides that the distribution of cial fund established in the Treasury of the by the activities authorized under this chap- new revenues (bonus bids, royalty and rent- United States known as the ‘‘National Park, al, but not corporate or other income tax) Refuge and Fish and Wildlife Renewal and ter. The choice of the word ‘‘directly’’ is a derived from leasing the oil and gas re- Protection Fund’’ (‘‘Renewal Fund’’). While deliberate effort to provide funds only to sources of the Coastal Plain shall be equally the terminology for the Renewal Fund comes those groups with a direct nexis to Coastal divided between the United States Treasury from subsection 5215(a) of the Senate bill, Plain activities. The subsection does not and the State of Alaska. Section 5344 pro- the Renewal Fund is also intended to incor- specify a bright-line test of physical proxim- vides that: ‘‘Fifty percent of all revenues porate the purposes of the National Endow- ity, dollar impact, or any other criterion, . . . shall be paid by the Secretary of the ment for Fish and Wildlife that would have but any group seeking a grant from the Com- Treasury semiannually to the State of Alas- been established under subsection 9002(n), munity Assistance fund must demonstrate ka. . . .’’ (Section 5344(a)(2)). There has been paragraph (1) of the House bill. an actual, ‘‘direct’’ impact. The conferees some concern expressed about the change in Subparagraph (3)(B) is similar to sub- anticipate that demonstration of a ‘‘direct’’ law regarding the distribution of revenues section 9002(n), subparagraph (2)(B) of the impact would be similar to the demonstra- derived from oil and gas leases on Coastal House bill. It caps deposits into the Renewal tion necessary to obtain standing in a fed- Plain. The following provides information Fund at $250,000,000. Subparagraph (2)(C) pro- eral court—there must be an actual impact, regarding the distribution of the revenues vides that deposits into the Renewal Fund clearly traceable to the activities authorized from the leasing of the Coastal Plain. shall remain available until expended and re- by this chapter. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17437 The Conferees expect that funds will be ing the first proviso thereof the following:’’, enacted such a system of mineral leasing, distributed to communities and groups rep- and of those from Alaska 521⁄2 per centum Congress has the authority under the Prop- resenting the Inupiat Eskimo people on Alas- thereof shall be paid to the State of Alaska erty Clause to change the distribution sched- ka’s North Slope who will clearly be im- for disposition by the legislature thereof.’’ ule set up with regard to the revenues result- pacted by exploration and development ac- After amendment, section 35 of the Mineral ing from those leases. As indicated in United tivities in the Coastal Plain. The Conferees Leasing Act read as follows: States v. Locke, 471 U.S.S. 84, 104 (1985), ‘‘[t]he All money received from sales, bonuses, anticipate that funds may also be made United States, as owner of the underlying fee royalties, and rentals of public lands under available to communities or organizations title to the public domain, maintains broad the provisions of sections 181–184, 185–188, representing the Gwich’in Indians in the powers over the terms and conditions upon event that these representatives dem- 189–192, 193, 194, 201, 202–209, 211–214, 223, 224– which the public lands can be used, leased, onstrate an impact from activities in the 226, 226d–229a, 241, 251, and 261–263 of this title and acquired,’’ In the Locke case, the Su- Coastal Plain. shall be paid into the Treasury of the United States; 371⁄2 per centum thereof shall be paid by preme Court was called upon to determine APPENDIX A the Secretary of the Treasury as soon as prac- the constitutionality of a legislative provi- sion that subjected holders of unpatented DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, ticable after December 31 and June 30 of each mining claims to forfeiture of those claims if OFFICE OF THE SOLICITOR, year to the State within the boundaries of Washington, DC, November 4, 1987. which the leased lands or deposits are or were they failed to comply with the annual filing M–36957. located; said moneys to be used by such State requirements of the Federal Land Policy and CLC.SO.0001. or subdivisions thereof for the construction Management Act of 1976, 43 U.S.C. § 1701. In Memorandum to: Secretary. and maintenance of public roads or for the holding the regulation to be constitutional, From: Solicitor. support of public schools or other public edu- the Supreme Court indicated that Subject: Division of Receipts from Oil and Gas cational institutions, as the legislature of ‘‘[c]laimants thus must take their mineral Development from the Arctic National Wild- the State may direct; and, excepting those interests with the knowledge that the Gov- 1 life Refuge. from Alaska, 52 ⁄2 per centum thereof shall be ernment retains substantial regulatory You have asked whether the Alaska State- paid into, reserved and appropriated, as part power over those interests.’’ [The Court com- hood Act (ASA), Pub. L. 85–508, 72 Stat. 339 of the reclamation fund created by sections pared this holding to Energy Resources Group, 372, 373, 381, 383, 391, 392, 411, 416, 419, 421, 431, (1958), in any way limits Congress’ ability to Inc. v. Kansas Power and Light Co., 459 U.S. 432, 434, 439, 461, 491, and 498 of Title 43, and enact a revenue distribution scheme for oil 400 (1983), dealing with the impairment of of those from Alaska 521⁄2 per centum thereof and gas revenues from new leases in federal contractual relations.] Id. at 105.5 wildlife refuges that is different from the shall be paid to the State of Alaska for disposi- revenue distribution scheme set out in the tion by the legislature thereof: Provided, That Against this background, Alaska must sus- Mineral Leasing Act of 1920 (MLA), 30 U.S.C. all moneys which may accrue to the United tain a heavy burden to show that Congress § 181. Your question refers specifically to the States under the provisions of sections 181– lacks the authority under the Property Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). 184, 185–188, 189–192, 193, 194, 201, 202–209, 211– Clause to change the distribution system for 214, 223, 224–226, 226d–229a, 241, 251, and 261–263 The MLA formula provides for the distribu- federal revenues derived from oil and gas of this title from lands within the naval pe- tion to Alaska (the State) of 90 percent of leases on federal lands, including wildlife ref- troleum reserves shall be deposited in the revenues received by the United States from uges. Treasury as ‘‘miscellaneous receipts’’, as oil and gas leasing on public lands within the 6 provided by section 524 of Title 34. All mon- Alaska’s primary argument against Con- State. For the reasons discussed below, we eys received under the provisions of sections gress’ power to enact a distribution formula conclude that the ASA in no way restricts 181–184, 185–188, 189–192, 193, 194, 201, 202–209, for receipts from the lease of refugee min- Congress to the distribution scheme set out 211–214, 223, 224–226, 226d–229a, 241, 251, and erals that is different from the formula set in the MLA when it enacts legislation to pro- 261–263 of this title not otherwise disposed of out in the MLA is that the MLA distribution vide for distribution of revenues from new by this section shall be credited to mis- scheme was incorporated into and made a mineral leases in federal wildlife refuges. cellaneous receipts. (Feb. 25, 1920, ch. 85, § 35, part of the compact of statehood. According BACKGROUND 41 Stat. 450; May 27, 1947, ch. 83, 61 Stat. 119; to that argument, the MLA was so incor- At issue is the authority of Congress to de- Aug. 3, 1950, ch. .. . 282; July 7, 1958, Pub. L. porated by virtue of the inclusion in the termine the distribution of revenues from oil 85–508, §§ 6(k), 28(b), 72 Stat. 343, 351.) 3 (Em- Alaska Statehood Act of a section amending and gas leases on public lands in Alaska, phasis added.) the MLA to apply it to Alaska. The State ar- and, specifically, from lands that are part of The United States Senate is presently con- gues that Congress made the distribution the National Wildlife Refuge System. At sidering a bill, S. 735, that would change the formula part of the compact as a vehicle present, a distinction is made between reve- distribution system as applied to revenues granting Alaska a permanent property inter- nues from acquired lands and those from re- derived from oil and gas leasing within units est in mineral revenues from public lands.7 served public domain refuge lands. Federal of the National Wildlife Refuge System. Spe- According to the argument, as a grant made oil and gas revenues from acquired lands cifically, the bill provides that 50 percent of to the State in the compact of statehood, the within refuges are distributed according to a such revenues would go to the state, 25 per- property interest may not be changed. Thus schedule set out in the Wildlife Refuge Reve- cent to the Land and Water Conservation the State argues that the distribution sys- nue Sharing Act (WRRSA) 1 which allots 25 Fund and 25 percent to the federal govern- percent to the county in which the refuge is ment. If the bill passes, it will apply to all tem comes within the narrow confines of located and 75 percent to the Migratory Bird leases in any wildlife refuge issued after en- Beecher v. Wetherby, 95 U.S. (5 Otto) 517 Conservation Fund, while federal revenues actment, but it is expected that the refuge (1877), a case holding that a grant made in a from reserved public domain lands within most immediately affected will be ANWR. statehood act is an ‘‘unalterable condition of refuges are distributed in accordance with In recent testimony on S. 735 before the the admission [of the State into the Union], the Mineral Leasing Act,2 which allots 50 Senate Energy and Natural Resources Sub- binding upon the United States.’’ percent to the states, except Alaska, in committee on Public Lands, National Parks We do not dispute that a grant made in a which the refuge is located, 40 percent to the and Forests, and in documents submitted to statehood act may be unalterable. However, Reclamation Fund, and 10 percent to mis- us in connection with our consideration of we believe that in this instance, Alaska cellaneous receipts in the U.S. Treasury. this issue, representatives of the State of paints too broadly the compact of statehood. Alaska receives 90 percent of MLA lease rev- Alaska have argued that Congress cannot le- Rather than being a grant incorporated into gally enact a revenue distribution formula enues derived from within the State. The re- that compact, the distribution system ap- that provides Alaska less than 90 percent of maining 10 percent goes to miscellaneous re- plied to Alaska in section 28(b) is nothing mineral leasing revenues from the leasing of ceipts in the U.S. Treasury. As the refuge more than an exercise of Congress’ powers public lands in Alaska without the consent currently at issue, ANWR, is on reserved under the Property Clause to dispose of and of the State.4 public domain land, we will focus on the pro- make needful rules for the public’s property. visions of the Mineral Leasing Act in analyz- ANALYSIS ing the issue presented to us. The enactment of legislation establishing Judicial precedent instructs that not every The distribution system set out in the a distribution formula for federal revenues provision in a statehood act is an irrevocable Mineral Leasing Act was extended to Alaska obtained from the leasing of federally owned grant to the state. Thus, we must look care- in section 28(b) of the Alaska Statehood Act, minerals falls within the power of Congress fully at the provisions of the ASA to ascer- as follows: enumerated in the Property Clause of the tain what must be included within the terms (b) Section 35 of the Act entitled ‘‘An Act Constitution: of its statehood compact with the United to promote the mining of coal, phosphate, The Congress shall have Power to dispose States. The Supreme Court has had occasion oil, shale, gas and sodium on the public do- of and make all needful Rules and Regula- to consider the different kinds of authority main’’, approved February 25, 1920, as amend- tions respecting the Territory or other Prop- Congress may exercise in passing a statehood ed (30 U.S.C. 191), is hereby amended by in- erty belonging to the United States. * ** act and what provisions of a statehood act serting immediately before the colon preced- U.S. Constitution, art. IV, § 3, cl. 2. may properly be considered part of the com- The Mineral Leasing Act of 1920 is an ex- pact entered into at statehood. In Coyle v. Footnotes at end of article. ample of the use of this power. Once having Oklahoma, 221 U.S. 559 (1911), the Court held S 17438 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 that certain conditions contained in Oklaho- ly prescribes a formula for the distribution hood Act amending the MLA to include Alas- ma’s statehood act were not part of the com- of certain federal oil and gas revenues. We ka in the act’s revenue distribution formula. pact of statehood. The Supreme Court point- have previously considered the issue of what We can find no support in the Alaska State- ed out that in admitting a new state into the interest states have in federal oil and gas hood Act for the proposition that the MLA Union, Congress may simultaneously exer- under the the MLA and concluded that they was incorporated into the compact between cise other of its powers, such as the power to have no economic interest in the oil in place. the federal government and the State. In regulate commerce or the power ‘‘to make As stated in Solicitor’s Opinion M–36929, 87 fact, opposite the proposition, we find other all needful rules and regulations respecting I.D. 661, at 664, 665 (1980): instances in which Congress has amended the the territory of other property of the United States have no pecuniary or legal interest MLA in a manner which adversely affected States’’ (citing Pollard’s Lessee v. Hagan, in federally owned oil until that oil is leased, the State’s interests. How. 212 (1845)). The Supreme Court con- extracted and the royalty payments are RALPH W. TARR. cluded that provisions contained in a state- made to the federal government. In sum, sec. FOOTNOTES hood act that are enacted under one of these 35 simply provides for the disposition of fed- other powers, ‘‘cannot operate as a contract eral royalty revenue; it does not confer on 1 Section 401, 16 U.S.C. § 715s(c); Watt v. Alaska, 451 between the parties, but are binding as law.’’ states an economic interest in the oil in U.S. 259 (1981). 2 place. * * * Section 35, as amended, 30 U.S.C. § 191. Coyle, at 571. The Court then went on to say: 3 The net effect of the amendment was to accord Therefore, under the amendment of the It may well happen that Congress should Alaska both the 371⁄2 percent share enjoyed by all embrace in an enactment introducing a new MLA contained in the ASA, the State re- other states and the 521⁄2 percent that would other- state into the Union legislation intended as ceives only a periodic distribution of 90 per- wise have gone to the Reclamation Fund, for a total a regulation of commerce among the states, cent of the revenues produced each year from of 90 percent. A succession of subsequent amend- or with Indian tribes situated within the the leasing and production of minerals under ments to section 35, most recently in section 104(a) limits of such new state, or regulations the MLA. Alaska receives no revenues under of the Federal Oil and Gas Royalty Management the MLA unit such revenues are produced, Act, 30 U.S.C. § 1701, has changed these figures to 50 touching the sole care and disposition of the percent for states and 40 percent for the Reclama- public lands or reservations therein, which and more importantly, receives its MLA roy- tion Fund in states other than Alaska, and 90 per- might be upheld as legislation within the alty distribution only by virtue of the provi- cent for Alaska, to be distributed on a monthly sphere of the plain power of Congress. But in sions of the MLA, not by virtue of the ASA.12 basis. every such case such legislation would derive Our conclusion must be, then, that Con- 4 Alaska also raises a number of political and pol- its force not from any agreement or compact gress was using the amendment to the MLA icy issues arising from the historic relationship be- with the proposed new state, nor by reason of contained in section 38 not as a vehicle for tween the federal government and the states and, granting the state a perpetual 90 percent in- specifically, federal government and * * *. its acceptance of such enactment as a term 5 The people of Alaska implicitly acknowledged of admission, but solely because the power of terest in federal minerals in Alaska, but the powers reserved to Congress under the Property Congress extended to the subject.* ** rather as an exercise of its authority under Clause when they agreed in the Alaska State Con- Id, at 574.8 the Property Clause to dispose of and make stitution that: Section 28 of the ASA is just such an en- needful rules for certain federal property, in ‘‘The State of Alaska and its people forever dis- claim all right and title or to any property belong- actment. It is based on Congress’ power this case, to set out the distribution scheme applicable to minerals leased under the ing to the United States or subject to its disposi- under the Property Clause to administer fed- tion, and not granted or confirmed to the State or eral property interests. The MLA itself was MLA. Our view that the MLA was not incor- its political subdivisions, by or under the act admit- similarly based, and the amendment to it ting Alaska to the Union. The State and its people contained in the ASA cannot be used to alter porated into the compact between the State further disclaim all right or title in or to any prop- its origins or elevate it to compact status so and the federal government and that it does erty, including fishing rights, the right or title to that it cannot be amended. not amount to a permanent grant is sup- which may be held by or for any Indian, Eskimo, or Aleut, or community thereof, as that right or title Section 28 of the ASA, on its face, does not ported by examples of cases in which Con- gress has exorcized its Property Clasuse pow- is defined in the act of admission. The State and its purport to be either a part of the compact people agree that, unless otherwise provided by Con- between the United States and to the State ers to amend the MLA since Alaska gained statehood to the detriment of Alaska’s 90 gress, the property, as described in this section, of Alaska or a permanent grant of mineral shall remain subject to the absolute disposition of revenues to the State. In fact, section 28 did percent interest in revenues from mineral the United States. They further agree that no taxes nothing more than amend a statute that had leases. For example, on December 18, 1971, will be imposed upon any such property, until other- already been in existence for over 30 years Congress passed the Alaska Native Claims wise provided by the Congress. This tax exemption settlement Act (ANCSA), 43 U.S.C. § 1601, et shall not apply to property held by individuals in fee before the ASA was enacted and had long without restrictions on alienation.’’ (Alaska Con- been applied to federal lands in all other seq., amending the royalty distribution ratio of the MLA to reduce the State’s share of stitution, art, 12, § 12.) states.9 Further, section 28 is but one of sev- 6 royalties and pay a portion to Alaska Native Alaska also argues that a change in the distribu- eral sections added at the end of the ASA to tion, such as that proposed in S. 735 would result in amend existing law to apply it specifically to corporations. Section 9 of ANCSA, 43 U.S.C. the State being treated differently than other Alaska. Section 28(b) in particular was a nec- § 1608, provided in part that a royalty of 2 per states. Specifically, Alaska argues that it is the essary and timely expedient because Con- centum of the gross value of minerals and 2 only state that has a refuge producing oil and gas revenues on reserved lands and, therefore, is the gress wanted to extend to and adapt for Alas- per centum of all rentals and bonuses would be deducted from the mineral revenues from only state that will be impacted by a provision ka the revenue distribution system already changing the distribution formula for reserved wild- in place in other states. public lands and paid to the Alaska Native Fund. Prior to ANCSA, the standard royalty life refuges. Although this appears to be primarily a Futher, section 28(b) is very limited in that policy issue, Alaska does suggest that the equal it is applicable only to lands leased under on oil and gas leased was 12.5 percent of pro- footing doctrine may be implicated by such unequal the MLA, not to other federally owned lands duction. This meant 1.25 percent went to the treatment. However, after reviewing this matter, we leased under other authority. For example, U.S. Treasury, and 11.25 percent went to the do not believe that it raises substantial legal ques- tions. Factually, the proposed law would apply to all section 35 of the MLA gave Alaska no share state of Alaska, whereas after ANCSA these percentages were 1.05 and 9.45, respectively. new leases on all wildlife refuges. As a factual mat- of receipts from the navel petroleum re- ter, it is not clear that it would have an unequal im- serves, and Naval Petroleum Reserve No. 4 Similarly, the Crude Oil Windfall Profit Tax of 1980, Pub. L. No. 96–223, 94 Stat. 229 pact in the long run. As a legal matter, even if there (now NPR–A), constituting roughly 23 mil- were an unequal impact, this impact would not con- lion acres in Alaska, was separately ad- (1980), exacts a tax on MLA revenues prior to stitute a violation of the equal footing doctrine. In dressed in Section 11 of the ASA, This sepa- the application of the revenue sharing for- Nevada v. U.S., 512 F. Supp. 166 (D. Nev. 1981), a case rate treatment indicates that Congress did mula New Mexico v. U.S. 11 CL. CT. 429 (1986), in which the State of Nevada challenged a morato- affirmed ——F.2d——, No. 87-1210 (1987), See rium on the disposal of public lands under the equal not intend, as argued by the State, that the footing doctrine, the court accurately summarized MLA be a vehicle for an irrevocable 90 per- also, Solicitor’s Opinion M–36929 supra. These examples clearly demonstrate Con- this doctrine as follows: cent interest in revenues from all federal gress’ continuing authority to change the ‘‘Federal regulation which is otherwise valid is mineral lands.10 This point is further sup- not a violation of the ‘equal footing’ doctrine mere- distribution scheme for mineral revenues ported by a 1981Supreme Court decision in ly because its impact may differ between various from federal land whenever it perceives a which the Court found that a 1964 amend- states because of geographic or economic reasons. need to do so. ment to the Wildlife Refuge Revenue sharing Island Airlines, Inc. v. CAB, 363 F.2d 120 (9th Cir. CONCLUSION 1966). The doctrine applies only to political rights Act, which included mineral revenues within and sovereignty; it does not cover economic mat- its 75/25 distribution schedule, was properly For the reasons stated, we must conclude ters, for there never has been equality among the applied to oil and gas leasing revenues from that Congress has the authority under the states in that sense, U.S. v. Texasm 339 U.S. 707 wildlife refuges on acquired federal lands in Property Clause of the Constitution to alter (1950). Said case points out that, when they entered Alaska Watt v. Alaska, 451 U.S. 259 (1981).11 the distribution formula set out in the Min- the Union, some states contained large tracts of Further, section 28 of the ASA did not pur- eral Leasing Act for oil and gas revenues land belonging to the federal government, whereas port to grant Alaska a 90 percent royalty in- from the Arctic national Wildlife Refuge. others has none. ‘‘The requirements of equal footing was designed not to wipe out these diversities but to terest in the minerals themselves. Rather, The State of Alaska has not met the heavy create parity as respects political standing and sov- the section amended an entirely separate burden of persuasion with respect to the ar- ereignty,’ Id., at 716. Accordingly, Congress may statute, the MLA, which itself does not grant gument that those Property Clause powers cede property to one state without a corresponding the state any interest in minerals, but mere- were terminated by the section in the State- cession to all states. * * * the equal footing doctrine November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17439 does not affect Congress’ power to dispose of federal Washington, DC, May 8, 1991. The State of Alaska stands ready to assist property. * * *’’ Re Artic National Wildlife Refuge. you in attaining Congressional approval of 7 In documents submitted to us, the State cites Mr. PAUL SYMTH, opening ANWR. several instances in the legislative history of ASA Acting Associate Solicitor, Energy and Re- Sincerely, in which Members of Congress expressed an intent to sources, Department of the Interior, Wash- TONY KNOWLES, provide Alaska with sufficient revenues to function ington, DC. Governor. as a state, and several other instances in which con- gressman or reports cited the 90/10 distribution sys- DEAR MR. SMYTH: I have reviewed Solici- tem. However, these expressions of intent do not an- tor’s Opinion M–36957 concerning the even- ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE. swer the question of whether the 90/10 distribution tual division of oil and gas revenues from the Juneau, AK, October 17, 1995. was to be a permanent grant of a property interest Arctic National Wildlife as you recently re- Hon. NEWT GINGRICH, and whether, by setting out such a formula in 1958, quested. I concur in its conclusion that for Speaker of the House, Congress sought to terminate its Property Clause ANWR Congress may alter the 90/10 distribu- Washington, DC. powers with regard to federal mineral revenues from tion set out in the Mineral Leasing Act. DEAR SPEAKER GINGRICH: On behalf of the federal lands forever. Our analysis of the statutes Alaska State Legislature, we would like to and judicial precedent compel a negative answer to Although it may be premature to say that thank you for taking the time to meet with both questions that is not changed by the suggestion we would arrive at our conclusion through us during our recent visits to Washington, a general intention to provide the new state with the same analysis followed in the Opinion, D.C. and for your support of oil and gas leas- revenue. we are convinced that Congress may author- ing in ANWR. 8 See also, Nevada v. U.S., 512 F. Supp. at 171–172: ize the altered distribution and would cer- As the Republican leaders of the state Sen- ‘‘Regulations dealing with the care and disposition tainly feel comfortable defending that con- ate and House, we would like to state our un- of public lands within the boundaries of a new state clusion in court. qualified support for current congressional may properly be embraced in its act of admission, as plans to allow oil and gas development on within the sphere of the plain power of Congress.’’ Thank you for making us aware of this po- the coastal plain of ANWR and to share lease (Citing, U.S. v. Sandoval, 231 U.S. 28 (1913). tential issue in advance of litigation. We 9 All of the contiguous lower 48 states had already would be interested in knowing what Con- revenues 50-50 between the state and federal been admitted to the Union when the MLA was gress ultimately decides. governments. passed in 1920. The MLA was not ‘‘incorporated’’ Sincerely, We are aware that some House Republicans into the statehood act of any other state. MYLES E. FLINT, have expressed concern about this revenue 10 The State’s argument implies that 90 percent of Deputy Assistant Attorney General. sharing in light of Alaska’s right under its MLA revenues goes to all states, not just Alaska. statehood compact to receive 90% of reve- This argument appears to be based on an nues from oil and gas leases on federal lands. interpretion of the MLA whereby the 40 percent of APPENDIX B Governor Tony Knowles announced on Sep- MLA revenues which is earmarked for the Reclama- STATE OF ALASKA, tember 28th before the National Press Club tion Fund ultimately is returned to the states in the OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, that he backs the 50-50 state-federal split of form of reclamation projects. This argument has Juneau, AK, October 17, 1995. ANWR lease revenues as proposed in the several problems. The assertion that the 40 percent Hon. FRANK MURKOWSKI, budget reconciliation act. He is on record of MLA receipts from states other than Alaska is re- U.S. Senate, saying he will introduce legislation to turned to the generating states if illusory. In fact, change the statehood compact to provide a any such money that are returned to the states ar- Washington, DC. 50-50 revenue split for ANWR lease revenues. rive there only through an express appropriation DEAR SENATOR MURKOWSKI: During my re- As the U.S. House and Senate works to from Congress after competing with other appro- cent visit to Washington, DC, it became complete action on the budget reconciliation priations proposals, and there is absolutely no guar- clear to me that a central issue in the debate act, Members of Congress should know that antee that such moneys as are appropriated will be related to oil development in the Arctic Na- we will do everything in our power to ensure proportionately returned to the states from which tional Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) is the alloca- that such a bill passes the Alaska State Leg- they were generated. The 90 percent provided to tion of the revenue between the State of Alaska, however, is distributed directly to the islature and becomes law. Alaska and the federal government. Accord- State, to be disposed of as the state legislature di- Sincerely, ingly, I am writing to you to reiterate my rects. To the extent Alaska argues that it has been DRUE PEARCE, position on this issue. treated the same as other states in receiving the 90 Senate President. percent share of MLA revenues, it implicitly admits By your legislation, and that of Congress- GAIL PHILLIPS, that equal treatment would allow Congress to man Young, you have concluded that fifty House Speaker. change the MLA formula for Alaska, because Con- percent of the revenues of ANWR should be f gress clearly has the power to amend the MLA to af- used to reduce the Federal budget in order to fect the royalty shares of the other states. New Mex- accomplish Congressional approval. ico v. U.S., 11 Cl. Ct. 429 (1986); affirmed,—F.2d—, 87– MONTANA’S CENTER FOR 1210 (1987). The state is entitled to receive ninety per- WILDLIFE INFORMATION 11 The case cited in the text focused on section 401 cent of oil and gas revenues generated from Mr. BAUCUS. Mr. President, we all of the Revenue Sharing Act, 16 U.S.C. §715s(c), which federal lands in Alaska. According to your after the 1964 amendment provided that 25 percent of reports, Congressional action is highly un- recognize general Norman Schwarzkopf the receipts, including mineral receipts, generated likely unless Congress sees some direct bene- as a great military leader. But what by a refuge would go to the county in which the ref- fit to the federal budget. In addition to all of most Americans probably do not know uge was located and 75 percent to the Migratory the other strong arguments in support of is that he is also deeply devoted to the Bird Conservation Fund. The Kenai Borough (the opening ANWR, it has been made clear to us cause of conserving one of our most county in which the Kenai Moose Range is located), that a fifty-fifty split of the revenue is nec- precious resources, our wildlife. In co- and the State of Alaska, each filed suit to challenge essary to attain favorable Congressional ac- the federal interpretation that this formula applied operation with a number of my con- tion. I support your strategy to split the rev- to oil and gas revenues generated from the refuge. stituents in Montana, General The U.S. District Court, District of Alaska, and the enues evenly between the state and federal governments. Schwarzkopf have been involved in a Ninth Circuit Court of appeals each found in favor of remarkable effort to increase public the state of Alaska, that is, that section 35 of the If there is federal enactment of the fifty- MLA and not section 401 of the WRRSA, controlled fifty revenue split, it would constitute an understanding and appreciation of the the distribution of receipts from Kenai Moose amendment of the Alaska Statehood Act. wildlife that help make Montana and Range. The Supreme Court held that the 1964 According to the Alaska Department of Law, America so special. As General amendment clearly covered oil and gas receipts, but an amendment to the Statehood Act requires Schwarzkopf has said: also found that it has not been the intent of Con- state concurrence. This concurrence must gress to amend section 35 of the MLA. Therefore, the In traveling and living throughout all court ruled that the WRRSA applied to oil and gas occur through the enactment of a bill by the parts of our world, I have learned that we receipts from acquired lands in wildlife refuges, but Alaska Legislature and approval by the Gov- possess in this country of ours and in neigh- not to reserved public lands in wildlife refuges. Watt ernor. boring Canada one of the most marvelous ar- v. Alaska, U.S. 259 (1981). Even though the Court dis- Therefore, I will introduce and pursue leg- rays of wildlife and wildlands found any- tinguished between acquired lands in refuges and islation to accept such a change if Congress where. public domain, this decision supports the propo- adopts a fifty-fifty revenue split. In this way, Yet, as any Montanan can tell you, sition that Congress is not bound by the ASA to give Alaska’s elected officials in Juneau will have each year people are killed or injured Alaska 90 percent of oil and gas leasing revenues a full opportunity to debate the merits of from all federally owned land. and wildlife is lost unnecessarily be- agreeing to any modification of the ninety- 12 In contrast for example, the ASA explicitly cause of conflicts that should have ten revenue formula. granted Alaska 103,350,000 acres of land, which ** *. been avoided. So General Schwarzkopf I firmly believe any amendment of the and Chuck Bartlebaugh of Missoula, ninety-ten revenue split should apply to DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, ENVIRON- ANWR only. I will continue to insist, by way MT have decided to do something MENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES of the statehood compact lawsuit, that Alas- about it. The Center for Wildlife Infor- DIVISION ka receive its full entitlement on the devel- mation has been established in Mis- opment of other federal lands in Alaska. soula. By creating a series of public S 17440 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 service announcements, seminars, con- tions in Bosnia. That has been an elu- What we have essentially looked at is ferences, and other public education sive goal, one which different parties a civil war within a confined border of activities, they are working success- and different factions have been at- three factions fighting for land which fully to increase public respect and un- tempting over nearly a 600-year period they have fought for for nearly 600 derstanding of our wildlife resources. of time; in this latest conflict, 4 years years—avenging tragedies, avenging A project recently announced by the of serious engagement with disastrous killings, avenging land seizures and Center is particularly exciting. With and tragic consequences for hundreds private property seizures which have the support of Plum Creek Timber Co., of thousands of people, if not millions taken place over a significant period of the Center for Wildlife Information and of people, in that part of the world. time. Even if spreading beyond the cur- Columbia Falls Junior High, located But, if we have learned anything, I rent borders were a real possibility, close to the western gateway of Glacier think, from our recent history in terms there are strategies, containment National Park, are working to develop of the United States involvement in strategies, that NATO could employ a bear-awareness and wildlife steward- conflicts abroad, it is that any kind of which are far different and involve far ship education program. Under the di- involvement, and particularly a long- less risk than inserting 20,000 American rection of Columbia Falls Junior term involvement, anything exceeding troops and 40,000 NATO troops for a High’s principal Neal Wedum, students just a matter of days, ultimately can- total of 60,000 onto the ground in the and teachers will write and design edu- not succeed without the support of the middle of the conflict that currently cational materials and teaching units American people. exists in Bosnia. on black bear and grizzly bear identi- That support is expressed through The second reason the administra- fication, techniques for safe hiking and their elected representatives. The tion postulates is that our involvement camping in bear country, and tech- President has said and Congress has with troops on the ground is necessary niques for viewing and photographing said that it is appropriate for Congress to maintain the integrity of NATO. I wildlife safely and responsibly. Stu- to examine the conditions upon which think that even that is a questionable dents will also develop an educational any U.S. troops will be subject to de- proposition. unit about partnerships between cor- ployment to a foreign land, particu- In a recent article in Time magazine porations, communities, and wildlife larly one in which potential conflict by Charles Krauthammer he talks management agencies in Montana’s and potential threat to their health about that very point, saying, ‘‘Of Seeley-Swan Grizzly Bear Corridor. and safety and life exist. course, the single most powerful argu- In closing, Mr. President, I commend ment in favor of deployment invokes At this point, hopefully, we are near- everyone involved in this remarkable NATO: to renege on this promise of ing a real peace agreement in Dayton. effort: Chuck Bartlebaugh, Kris Backes American relief for our NATO allies al- I have some very deep concerns about of Plum Creek, and Principal Wedum, ready trapped in Bosnia in a fruitless the nature of that agreement and to name just a few. Congratulations ‘peacekeeping’ mission.’’ He asserts whether it can even be accurately de- and good work. that it ‘‘would be the worst blow Clin- scribed as a peace agreement. But, un- ton has yet dealt’’—I am quoting—‘‘to f fortunately, the President of the Unit- NATO cohesion.’’ THE BUDGET ed States for whatever reason some ‘‘Whatever the strategic policy of time ago, and on numerous occasions, Mr. COATS. Mr. President, the topic having our troops in Bosnia, the argu- has made commitments to deploy of the day, the topic of the week, the ment goes, our NATO allies want us to troops as soon as this agreement is topic of the month, is clearly the budg- take the lead on the ground, and we reached. et, the fiscal crisis this country has promised that we would do that.’’ been in for a lot longer period than we There have been some recent indica- But, as Krauthammer goes on to ex- care to remember. There has been dis- tions that the President is willing to plain, our recent history indicates that cussion on this this morning. Obvi- let Congress take a look at, examine, one of two things are going to probably ously, the decision now is in the Presi- and analyze the peace agreement but happen. Either we will suffer a loss of dent’s hands. no commitment that, even if we dis- life—either we will suffer a situation Republicans have clearly defined agree, the troops will not be sent. In which is far different than what could what they attempt to do. It is anything fact, there is pretty good indication be described as peace, and, therefore, but an extreme measure. The Presi- that an advance party of up to 2,000 without having gotten the commit- dent, if he will simply follow his own American troops will be sent there to ment of the Congress, or the commit- admonitions to us, will find it very dif- sort of hold the line while the so-called ment of the American people, we will ficult to disagree and veto the Repub- 2-week ‘‘period of examination’’ passes. call for a withdrawal of those troops lican plan that is being sent to him. The President hopes for congressional which would be a serious blow to the The President called for a 7-year support and authorization. He has not integrity of NATO—or it may result in budget with real numbers. We gave him yet received it, nor will he unless he is a long-term deployment and commit- a 7-year budget with real numbers. We able to go before the American people ment of those troops which we have are asking him for a commitment to and go before this Congress and make a not again made the case for, nor do I that; frankly, a commitment to simply compelling case for use of United think we can begin to expect American negotiate how that is achieved in re- States troops on the ground in Bosnia. support for, a long-term commitment turn for a resolution which would pro- That case, I suggest, has not been to that. vide funding for the Government so made, and has not even been attempted Either one of those occurrences, one Government workers can come back to to be presented to the American people of which is likely to happen, could do work on Monday. a cogent, logical, understandable rea- great damage to the NATO alliance f son why 20,000 uniformed troops of the and, as Krauthammer argues, and I United States Armed Forces need to be agree, actually do more damage than BOSNIA inserted into the conflict in Bosnia. not providing troops on the ground. Mr. COATS. Mr. President, I would The President may intend to do that. I The President has not defined our like to divert from that just for a mo- do not know. He has waited a dan- vital interests in that involvement. He ment because, were it not for the over- gerously long time. has not defined what our objective and shadowing presence of the budget de- The argument that the administra- mission would be. He has not defined bate, which is appropriate, I suspect we tion has made, feeble as it is, is that it how we would exit from the situation may be on this floor debating an issue is necessary for two reasons: One, to other than to say we will be out of that is of great significance and great contain the spread of the conflict to there within a year. I think what he importance. other areas which involve other NATO means by that is that we will be out of As we speak, the United States is allies which eventually will pull in all there before the next election. It is po- leading an effort in Dayton, OH, to at- of Europe. There is little reason to sus- litically not feasible, and untenable to tempt to reach some kind of peace pect that will happen. It has not in a 4- think the troops would still be there agreement between the warring fac- year period of time. and become an election issue. That in November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17441 and of itself is a recipe for disaster peace agreement says and means that lomatic effort, Ambassador Holbrooke given the nature of the warfare. And might come out of Dayton. Dayton going around the clock with unimagi- anybody who understands the enmity could very well produce a ‘‘peace’’—I nable stamina to try to negotiate a set- that exists between the parties, and put that word in quotation marks. tlement. the conflict over who owns what land, Again, I am referring to the I listened to the House debate last knows that the American troops being Krauthammer piece—a ‘‘peace’’ that is night on this subject, and I must say I out longer than a year is likely to just unstable and divisive, and largely un- hope our own words do not make it promote and produce a situation in enforceable. It may be a peace imposed more difficult to get an agreement and which the parties wait out the situa- rather than a peace sought and agreed we do not find ourselves right back in tion, and then would return to the sta- to by the warring factions; imposed by the soup. I think it is a long shot to get tus quo, which is obviously not some- outside forces. If that is the case, we a peace agreement. No question it is thing that any of us looks forward to. are likely to have a situation where, as going to be difficult to get, but I think There are a couple of other concerns Krauthammer says, this lowest com- in any evaluation of what has gone on that I have. One is the question of neu- mon denominator peace plan com- in Bosnia in the last 60 days you al- trality. It is one thing to send troops mands three grudging, resentful signa- most have to begin and end with praise into a situation when those troops are tures from unreconciled parties. That for President Clinton’s ability to lead viewed—and that nation sending the is a disaster for American troops on NATO and to lead to where we are troops is viewed—as a truly neutral the ground. And particularly, if the today, which is a significant reduction partner in the process. In this case, we President has not sought the support of of violence in that part of the world. have decidedly sided with one faction the American people, the support of f in this conflict—the Bosnian Moslems. their elected representatives, and de- While we have not seen the final de- fined for the American people just why DEFICIT REDUCTION ACT tails of the peace agreement, the Unit- it is necessary to utilize American Mr. KERREY. Mr. President, as to ed States has indicated that one of our troops on the ground. We need to make the Deficit Reduction Act, I would like objectives in this deployment will be to sure. to make a few comments. arm the Moslems, will be to bring them I ask for one additional minute, and First, we need to sort of check our to ‘‘a level of parity’’ with the other I promise to quit even if I am not fin- own rhetoric and ask ourselves why. A factions. That may be comforting news ished. lot of people come down and say we to the Bosnian Moslems. I doubt that is The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without have unprecedented debt mounting on very comforting to the other parties in objection, it is so ordered. top of record debt. We do not have the conflict, and certainly not the We should make sure that we have an record debt. Our percentage of debt to Serbs. ironclad commitment from the three GDP is going down. A lot of people say So what our goal should be is a dis- parties involved that they not only are we have to do what we did in the cold arming of all parties involved, to re- seeking a true peace but they are will- war. During World War II, we accumu- duce the level of tension and reduce the ing to self-enforce a true peace; that lated almost 130 GDP of debt and won level of potential conflict rather than they will do so with a builddown of the war as a consequence, did the Mar- build up the capacity of one of the par- forces instead of a buildup of forces; shall plan after that, rebuilt our own ties but, in doing so, even if that were that they will do so with wide zones of country as a consequence of a willing- an agreed upon military strategy, I separation between them; that the ness to go into debt, no matter how we think that is a terrible political strat- peace will be essentially self-enforcing; used that debt. I will get to that later. egy because we will not be viewed as a and that they will be committed to I am very much concerned that a neutral party. The United States, bringing about that cessation of hos- growing portion of our outlays is going which is already by the very nature of tility and conflict between them. not to investments but going to cur- its—I ask unanimous consent for 3 ad- If that is the case, one has to ask rent consumption. I think it is a sig- ditional minutes. themselves the question, why are 60,000 nificant problem. It is not a problem, The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without troops needed to enforce that? If that by the way, caused by the poor. I voted objection, it is so ordered. is not the case, I think we have a very against this proposal for a number of Mr. COATS. The United States which serious question. reasons. I do not think it is fair. I do is already viewed by a number of coun- My time has expired, and I promised not believe it asks people like myself tries as not necessarily a neutral en- to quit, and even though I have more with higher income to participate in tity, and which has become a target, to say, I will say it later. I thank the deficit reduction, which I think is ter- unfortunately, over the years for ter- Chair and the patience of my colleague ribly important. I receive very little in rorists and extremists and others that from Nebraska. the way of Government services. Peo- want to disrupt either the peace talks Mr. KERREY addressed the Chair. ple with lower incomes do receive more or simply make a point, I think would The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. in Government service. I am asking clearly be identified as a party which GREGG). The Senator from Nebraska. them to shoulder a disproportionate was not neutral in this conflict and f share of eliminating this deficit. clearly would be a potential target for Second, not only does it rend the so- terrorism. PEACE IN BOSNIA cial safety net, but it does not start us I had the experience nearly a decade Mr. KERREY. Mr. President, with ad- on the road to evaluating what kind of ago of traveling to Beirut visiting the ditional time, I would love to discuss safety net do we need. I think most of marines that were encamped between this situation with the Senator from us in this body now believe that we warring factions, and witnessed the Indiana. It is a very difficult situation. have to have economic growth, that aftereffects of the tragic bombing of I was in the Krajina Valley a couple our tax policies, which I do not think the marine barracks that cost the loss days after the Croatian Army had driv- encourage savings and investment, of several hundred lives. Those that en back the Croatian Serbs and several need to be written so that we get the perpetrated this incident wanted to hundred thousand estimated, a couple kind of investment and economic make a point, and by making that hundred thousand civilians left that growth the country needs; that we have point they felt that they could influ- valley, and a day later 120 millimeter regulatory policies that are mindful of ence the course of that conflict. And rockets came into a market in Sara- the risks that people take when they they did. I think the very same some- jevo and killed another 40 civilians. invest money. thing—maybe not the very same but And not long after that a President Most of us understand that we have something similar—happened in Soma- Clinton-led NATO engaged in air- to have an economy that is growing, lia. strikes, and it was not long before you but if you are going to have a vibrant So we at great risk put our troops be- could fly into Sarajevo. market economy where people are tween the warring factions. We see the makings of peace in the making business and bottom line deci- My final point is that I think we need region. It is an unprecedented event sions, you also have to have some kind to be very, very careful about what a with the United States leading in a dip- of safety net out there. We ought to be S 17442 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 thinking about how do we take the adjusted; that working families are report on H.R. 2491, the Balanced Budget Act next step of how do we get it universal having trouble saving money. of 1995, and has projected the deficits that rather than moving away as I see this Let us not do it piecemeal. Let us do would result if the bill is enacted. These pro- it bigger. This tax cut proposal should jections use the economic and technical as- proposal doing. sumptions underlying the budget resolution We ought to ask ourselves, as Sen- be dropped because it enlarges the defi- for fiscal year 1996 (H. Con. Res. 67), assume ator SIMPSON and I did, how do we re- cit in the short term. Again, I will dis- the level of discretionary spending indicated form the Federal retirement program cuss that later. I would be willing to in the budget resolution, and include so that there is more flexibility, indi- vote to reduce the Consumer Price changes in outlays and revenues estimated viduals get a higher rate of return, Index by half a point. The adjustment to result from the economic impact of bal- they have something they own and would save hundreds of billions of dol- ancing the budget by fiscal year 2002 as esti- they can acquire wealth during the lars. I would even go further than half mated by CBO in its April 1995 report, An a point, but half a point seems to be Analysis of the President’s Budgetary Proposals course of a working life that might not for Fiscal Year 1996. On that basis, CBO generate much opportunity for savings. about where we are. I am just alerting projects that enactment of the reconcili- We need to be asking ourselves how my Republican colleagues there are ation legislation recommended by the con- do we construct the safety net that en- ways for us to come up with additional ferees would produce a small budget surplus ables us to have a vibrant market econ- savings that are needed to balance the in 2002. The estimated federal spending, reve- omy instead. As I see it, we rend the budget but to do it in a fair way and nues and deficits that would occur if the pro- social safety net and then we really do the way that has us holding onto a posal is enacted are shown in Table 1. The re- not acknowledge that there is an im- safety net that we need in the market sulting differences from CBO’s April 1995 baseline are summarized in Table 2, which portance and value to having it there economy. includes the adjustments to the baseline as- in place. I would be prepared to vote to phase sumed by the budget resolution. The esti- Again, perhaps as a result of our own in an increase in the eligibility ages mated savings from changes in direct spend- orientation, the higher your income both for Social Security and Medicare. ing and revenues that would result from en- gets, there is a tendency to presume It would not affect current bene- actment of each title of the bill are summa- that everybody is living like you are ficiaries at all. In fact, it does not have rized in Table 3 and described in more detail and a presumption that, gee, every- to affect beneficiaries over the age of in an attachment. thing is OK. Everything is not OK. You 50. But to phase that in gives every- Sincerely, JUNE E. O’NEILL, talk to people 50 years of age out there, body under 50 time to plan and pro- Director. men or women who tell you what it is duces tremendous future savings. Attachment. like to get a pink slip in a downsizing I would be prepared to vote for an af- operation after working 30 years on the fluence test on all Federal entitlement TABLE 1.—CONFERENCE OUTLAYS, REVENUES, AND job. They have a tough time getting programs, including farm program pay- DEFICITS health insurance. They have a tough ments, if it is fair. It generates tremen- [By fiscal year, in billions of dollars] time adjusting to not just the dous savings in the short term. It 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 downsizing but the reduction in income seems to me easy for us to sell, and I that they face. consider it to be an attractive way Outlays: Dis- cretionary .. 534 524 518 516 520 516 515 If you want to have a vibrant econ- again to preserve that safety net and Mandatory: omy, not only do we need to change keep fairness in this proposal. Medicare 1 . 196 210 217 226 248 267 289 Medicaid ... 97 104 109 113 118 122 127 our tax and our regulatory structure, Mr. President, I would like to just Other ...... 506 529 555 586 618 642 676 we also need to change the safety net, sort of insert one other objection that Subtotal 799 843 881 925 984 1,031 1,093 and this proposal moves us in the I have that I failed to note earlier in wrong direction. my discussion. Net Interest ... 257 262 261 262 260 254 249 There is a so-called Freedom to Farm Third, I talked at length about how Total it really does not solve the problem of Act proposal that is tucked away in out- growing entitlements at all. It this reconciliation bill. You can imag- lays .. 1,590 1,629 1,660 1,703 1,764 1,801 1,857 postpones them. It says, well, we can ine what the American people are Revenues ...... 1,412 1,440 1,514 1,585 1,665 1,756 1,861 deal with Social Security later. We can going to say when they find out that Deficit ...... 178 189 146 118 100 46 ¥4 deal with Medicare later. Really, the somebody out there with a half section 1 Medicare benefit payments only. Excludes medicare premiums. long-term problems, we deal with them of land that they are not farming Notes.—The fiscal dividend expected to result from balancing the budget is reflected in these figures. Numbers may not add to totals because of later. now—let us say they use it for pasture rounding. Mr. President, time is not on our and they have a hobby farm going on Source.—Congressional Budget Office. out there. Maybe they raise horses, for side. Every year you wait you really Mr. KERREY. As you can see, Mr. all I know. Under this proposal, they deepen the cut or increase the possibil- President, it is from June O’Neill, Di- are going to be encouraged to enroll. ity that working people are going to rector of the Congressional Budget Of- They are going to get paid whether have to pay more taxes as a con- fice. The CBO has been cited a lot as we they farm or not. They are going to get sequence of our unwillingness to face go through this continuing resolution income whether they are producing the problem. debate. This is written to Chairman any agriculture product or not. It con- The next thing I did yesterday was go PETE DOMENICI, November 16, 1995, with through a few things that I as a Demo- verts a market based system to a wel- copies sent to the ranking member, fare system I do not think the Amer- crat would be willing to support that Senator EXON of Nebraska, along with would enable us, I think, to produce ican taxpayers are going to like and I the chairman and ranking member of know American farmers are not going the savings needed to have more fair- the House Budget Committee, JOHN to like as well. ness in the proposal, to begin to con- KASICH and Congressman SABO. sider what kind of safety net should we Mr. President, there is a document I It is a remarkable document, Mr. construct and would have us moving in would urge colleagues to read. I will President, and shows the folly of the the direction of controlling entitle- put in the first two pages. I ask unani- tax cut. But it also shows that we real- ments. mous consent that the first two pages ly are postponing most of the difficult On my list is I think we should drop be printed in the RECORD. choices. No American should believe the tax cut. I will describe a little bit There being no objection, the mate- that because if we enact this reconcili- later a rather remarkable letter from rial was ordered to be printed in the ation bill—let us say by some miracle the Congressional Budget Office Direc- RECORD, as follows: the President changes his mind, which tor, June O’Neill. We should drop the U.S. CONGRESS, I do not believe he is going to do; I be- $245 billion tax cut, commit ourselves CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE, lieve he is going to veto it. Let us say Washington, DC, November 16, 1995. to set a course so that at the end of we enact this thing. All it does is com- 1996 we can enact fundamental tax re- Hon. PETE V. DOMENICI, Chairman, Committee on the Budget, mit it for a single year. Next year we form that does encourage savings and U.S. Senate, Washington, DC. come back and vote again. investment; we understand that the DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN: The Congressional The year after that we have to vote current income tax system needs to be Budget Office has reviewed the conference again. I say to Americans, examine the November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17443 document. For gosh sakes, the deficit President, would not only enable us to use congressional numbers, just as this this year is $164 billion. It has been balance the budget in 7 years, but do it body should not write into statute that going down every year for the last 4 in a fair fashion, do it in a way that en- we are always going to use OMB num- years. Next year the deficit goes to $178 ables us to build a new safety net and bers. billion, and the year after that it goes a vibrant market economy, and I think Mr. NUNN. If my friend from Nevada to $189 billion. I mean, this proposal in- restore the confidence of the American would yield on that point, while the creases the deficit next year and in- people, who rightly have concluded, by Senator from Nebraska is here. creases the deficit the year after that. the way, even if this is enacted, that Mr. REID. Certainly. This does not reduce deficits; it in- we are not going to be balancing our Mr. NUNN. I would like to make a creases deficits. budget. few remarks on this very subject. I And to exclude Social Security— Mr. President, I yield the floor. think the 7-year number for balancing there is another letter coming from Mr. REID addressed the Chair. the budget in 7 years is a reasonable June O’Neill that says that because The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- goal. I would hope that the President you include Social Security income, ator from Nevada. would agree with that goal as we pro- you are actually reducing the size of Mr. REID. Before my friend from Ne- ceed to try to find a way to end this the deficit by some $60 to $100 billion, braska leaves the floor, I want to state Government shutdown and pass a con- depending on the year that you take. to him, through the Chair, and to my tinuing resolution. Mr. REID. I would say to my friend, So we get an increase in the deficit, friend who is the chairman of the though, is it not a fact that the Presi- Mr. President, and we are postponing Budget Committee, that the two Sen- dent has basically agreed to that any- most of the difficult cuts. ators from Nebraska are people who In the year 2002 this Congress is have credentials to speak about bal- way? Mr. NUNN. It is my understanding going to be expected to cut $70 billion anced budgets. The ranking member, that is what is being talked about now. in a single year. Unlikely, Mr. Presi- Senator EXON from Nebraska, of the But the Congressional Budget Office dent. If you look at the backdating of Budget Committee, former chairman of the Budget Committee, has worked for [CBO], I happen to believe they have the difficult decisions, I think the more conservative numbers and should years on balancing the budget. My American people begin to understand be agreed to as the basis for the overall friend from Nebraska, the junior Sen- why this so-called revolution is a lot approach to get a balanced budget, be- ator from Nebraska, chaired the enti- less than meets the eye, a lot less, and cause we have seen time and time tlement commission and has spoken why they should insist, if they want to again that we end up erring on the side out, to his detriment politically, on balance the budget and they want to do of optimism, and we do not end up many occasions of what he sees as the it in a fair way and in a fashion that achieving the savings that were pro- wrongs of what we are doing with enti- enables us to have some kind of a rea- jected. sonable safety net and vibrant market tlements. But, having said that, I think no economy—— So, the reason I mention that while President of the United States is going The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. he is here on the floor, the chairman of to accept the CBO numbers for a 7-year DEWINE). The Senator’s time has ex- the entitlement commission, a Gov- period and have that dictated to by pired. ernor from the State of Nebraska, peo- Congress in law. It is one thing to Mr. KERREY. Mr. President, I ask ple who have credentials to talk about agree to 1 year as an estimate; it is an- unanimous consent for 2 additional balancing the budget and who have ac- other thing to have the congressional minutes. tually done significant things to get us branch tell the executive branch that The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without toward that direction, when you have it has to abide by those numbers. Con- objection, it is so ordered. the two Senators from Nebraska speak- gress passes those numbers, can use the Mr. KERREY. That we need a dif- ing out against the reconciliation bill CBO numbers, but Congress then has to ferent reconciliation bill than the one that passed, I think the American pub- send the bill to the President. The that was passed by this body by 52 lic should be aware that it is not a President has a right to veto it under votes yesterday. good piece of legislation. the Constitution. Again, I would urge colleagues to Mr. President, before my friend This business of shutting down Gov- look as well at the growth of entitle- leaves, I would also like to ask him a ernment if the President will not agree ment programs. These are not pro- question as a former Governor of the for a 7-year period to the congressional grams for the poor. These are middle- State of Nebraska. Would the Senator, numbers is a way of trying to avoid the class entitlements and most difficult of based upon his experience and exper- constitutional procedures that were set all. Almost half of the growth of all tise, indicate in his words why he up by our Founding Fathers which spending in here is Social Security, thinks it is wrong to have the execu- have worked pretty darn well. Shutting which is not even on the table in this tive bound by numbers given to him by down Government to prevent the Presi- discussion. the legislative branch? dent from using his veto is something So, look at the growth and then ask Mr. KERREY. Mr. President, the that I think is a sad mistake and is yourself, if you had $435 billion this Senator asks a question that I think is going to hurt more and more people as year for defense and nondefense appro- very relevant. I voted against the con- time goes on. priations—which is what you have in tinuing revolution for precisely that I say that as one who watched Repub- the year 2002—construct the budget, reason. This Congress should not bind lican Presidents make virtually the build a budget with $435 billion, go the President to use numbers that are same point. I do not believe President home and tell your citizens, OK, we are developed by the Congress, just like I Reagan or President Bush would have going to use $263 billion for defense, do not think we should be bound to ac- accepted a dictate by a Democratic and that gives me $174 billion for all cept carte blanche the numbers that Congress that they use CBO numbers other spending, you cannot do it, Mr. are used by OMB. Indeed, when I came during their periods in office. I have President. You are not going to be just into office in 1983, there was a great po- talked to the former Directors of OMB closing down odds and ends; you are litical controversy that occurred as a under the previous Presidents, and going to be shutting down NASA and result of nobody trusted the numbers. they have confirmed that opinion. shutting down the courts and signifi- We actually created a statute, an inde- I do not believe President DOLE or cant functions of Government. pendent agency, to produce the num- President GRAMM or President SPECTER You cannot get there from here, Mr. bers that both sides trust. And a lot of or President LUGAR would allow the President, unless we come as Demo- the politics now has been taken out of Congress to say, ‘‘You are going to use crats and Republicans and say we are it. CBO numbers’’—a Democratic Congress willing to do something, drop the tax I think the Senator raises what I particularly, reversing the present sce- cut, adjust the CPI, phase in changes in consider to be a fundamental defect in nario—‘‘We are going to require you to the eligibility age, consider an afflu- the continuing resolution that was use these numbers.’’ Billions and bil- ence test, do something with part B passed and the President vetoed. This lions of dollars are at stake, and also a premiums. Those kinds of changes, Mr. body should not bind the President to separation of powers is at stake. S 17444 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 So while I favor using the CBO num- GROWING USE OF VIOLENCE TO Two months ago, I came to the floor bers, I do not favor putting into law SHOW DISAGREEMENT WITH THE to express my outrage over the bomb- and holding the President hostage in GOVERNMENT ing of the family car of a Nevada forest terms of a shutdown of Government if Mr. REID. Mr. President, like most ranger. This car was located 3 feet he does not agree to that, because if I everyone here who serves in the U.S. away from his family who was in their were President of the United States I Senate, I have a home in my home living room. I am concerned about the would not agree to it. State, Nevada, and a home here. I an- growing use of violence as a means of It does not have much to do with the nounce that because my wife, recently showing disagreement with the Gov- question of the budget. It has a lot to one night, presented to me something ernment and with other individuals. It do with the question of separation of she received in the mail from our home is this extremist mentality that is at powers. We are going to be visiting, as here in Washington, and I want to refer the foot of devastating acts, such as the Senator from Nebraska said, these to it. the assassination of Prime Minister issues every year, whatever the results In March 1993, I was the first Member Rabin and, I believe, the Oklahoma of this compromise that I hope will of this body to come to the floor and bombing and, of course, the shooting of emerge in negotiating a final reconcili- renounce the senseless killing of Dr. Dr. Gunn. ation bill. David Gunn as he left his job at a Extremists advocate violence as an alternative to meaningful debate and We will have to have a compromise. health clinic in Pensacola, FL. I came meaningful discussions. Individuals These are going to be estimates. We are to the floor again in 1994 and offered a who carry out such violence or endorse going to make mistakes. The Medicare- sense-of-the-Senate resolution con- it believe they are above the law. Medicaid savings—I applaud the Re- demning the specific tactic of solicit- ing signatures on petitions that ex- As I have stated earlier, I am person- publicans for taking on these entitle- ally pro-life, but Roe v. Wade is the ments; I think it is long overdue. I press support and justify the use of murderous violence against those who current law in our country, and I, as a think those of us on the Democratic citizen of this country, respect the law side need to muster up some courage to oppose the pro-life position. I am prompted again today to come of the land. In fact, I personally dis- begin to take on the entitlements also. agree with the judgment rendered by a But I believe we are going to have to go to the floor and address this issue after finding in our mailbox this despicable court, however, I believe in following back and have a lot of corrections the law. made to the changes that are being piece of literature. This flier is simply abdicating violence. It abdicates clear- This does not mean that those who made because all of these are esti- disagree with the Supreme Court’s de- mates. ly an invasion of a person’s privacy, who happens to be a physician who I do cision cannot work within the legisla- We do not know how much is going not know and do not want to know, as tive process to change the law. The de- to be saved. That is one of the reasons well as the man’s family. bate over abortion elicits some of the I feel that going forward with a front- It is well known that I advocate a strongest emotions that people feel. end tax cut is a mistake now because pro-life position, and during my years However passionate and vigorous de- we are going to have to have some in the House and Senate have voted ac- bates can be, they should be healthy money to patch up the mistakes as we cordingly. Because of my affiliation and they should be speeches, comment, go along and we find out people are with this position, I also feel it is my and discourse that are civil in nature, really being hurt in an unjustified way. responsibility to stand up and condemn not statements like ‘‘crimes against So I hope out of all of this, we will tactics such as this flier, which are humanity,’’ ‘‘gassing gypsies,’’ ‘‘don’t reach some compromise very soon that used by fringe elements of the pro-life play with their children.’’ will have the President basically agree movement. Mr. President, when you arrive at a to the 7-year target and goal but not This is a piece of trash. The people passionate, vigorous debate, I believe have Congress impose by law the CBO who put this in my mailbox violated this represents what our democracy is numbers. There are lots of ways to be Federal law. They have no right to put all about, which is a participatory and able to do that, and I hope we will find this in my mailbox. functioning democracy at work. We a way before too many more hours go ‘‘Guilty of crimes against human- have a responsibility to decry the vio- by. ity.’’ I am reading from the docu- lence and the advocacy of violence as a legitimate means to solve our dif- I thank the Senator for yielding. I ment—‘‘The National Socialist Party ferences. We cannot acquiesce to the did want to comment on that one in Germany made gassing gypsies, violence through our silence, and I am point. Poles and other non-Aryans legal.’’ They go on to insinuate this man, not going to. It is incumbent upon this Mr. REID. I appreciate my friend’s whose name, work, and home address body, this Congress, this country to statement. In addition to the two Sen- are on this document—with phone make it unmistakably clear that such ators from Nebraska, the Senator from numbers for both is a Nazi. They direct tactics are shameful and are to be de- Georgia has a record of many, many me to call this doctor and his spouse, nounced. years of being frugal and always trying asking them to ‘‘end this slaughter, be- Without quick condemnation of such to do something about a balanced cause they say he has no conscience.’’ tactics, as this flier in my mailbox, vi- budget and entitlements. He and the They say, ‘‘In reality it is murder.’’ olence will continue. senior Senator from New Mexico have This man, whose name I am not going I shed tears at the assassination of worked together on this for many to disclose, ‘‘should be tried for crimes President Kennedy, at the assassina- years, and when we hear of the Senator against humanity.’’ tion of Prime Minister Rabin, espe- from Georgia speaking out about the They quote various pieces of scrip- cially when his granddaughter cried problems with the present reconcili- ture from the Old Testament. They go pain of love for her grandfather. We ation bill, it says volumes. on to say, ‘‘He so lacks conscience that cannot stand by and allow this to hap- Mr. President, I ask unanimous con- slave owners would have used him to pen. sent that I be allowed to proceed for 10 apprehend runaways.’’ I hope we will all speak out against it minutes. ‘‘He is the equivalent of a slave trad- and that the people who are spewing The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- er.’’ forth this filth will stop doing it, be- ‘‘Don’t allow your children to play cause it does not help the cause. ator has consumed 71⁄2 minutes. The Senator’s request is to speak for a with his.’’ Mr. President, how much time do I total of how long? ‘‘We will haunt him.’’ I am skipping have remaining? around on this document. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- Mr. REID. I would like to speak for ‘‘In the meantime, organize to have ator has 3 minutes remaining. 10 minutes starting now, since my his lease canceled,’’ and it goes on and Mr. REID. I yield back my time. friends have used part of my time. on. Mr. NUNN addressed the Chair. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without Mr. President, this is wrong. This is The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- objection, it is so ordered. wrong. ator from Georgia. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17445 Mr. NUNN. Mr. President, I ask study—headed up by Dr. Brandon To follow up on this issue, one mem- unanimous consent that I be given 10 Centerwall, a Seattle, WA, psychia- ber of my staff voluntarily conducted minutes. trist—concludes: ‘‘The epidemiological an unscientific survey of the topics of The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without evidence indicates that if, hypo- daytime talk shows. Every hour or so, objection, it is so ordered. thetically, television technology had he would scan the television on his f never been developed, there would desk and see what the day’s topics were today be 10,000 fewer homicides each for the daytime talk shows. The results DAYTIME TALK SHOWS year in the United States, 70,000 fewer added to the concern that I already Mr. NUNN. Mr. President, last rapes, and 700,000 fewer injurious as- had. month, I joined my colleagues, Senator saults.’’ The first day, one show was called, LIEBERMAN and former Secretary Wil- Neither I, nor Senator LIEBERMAN, ‘‘Stop Pretending To Be a Girl’’ and liam Bennett, who was the former Sec- nor former Secretary Bennett is talk- featured young boys whose parents retary of Education, at a news con- ing about turning back our techno- were upset that their sons dressed and ference in which they were shining a logical clock by 50 years. There are acted like a girl. Another show offered spotlight on what I believe is the prob- many good programs on television. a show entitled ‘‘Boys Who Only Have lem that for too long has been ignored There is much education on television Sex With Virgins.’’ Yet another show by television executives, corporate ad- in a positive sense. However, violent featured a girl dumping her boyfriend vertisers, the news media, as well as television programming is not a nec- on national television and asking her the American people. The problem is essary part of television technology, new ‘‘significant other,’’ another girl, the content of some of our television and the logical conclusion from Dr. to commit to her. programming and the corrosive effect Centerwall’s study, and numerous Mr. President, I thought that surely this programming is having on our cul- other such studies along this line, is the next day’s shows would pale in ture. Nowhere is this cultural erosion that a reduction in the level of vio- comparison to these. I was wrong. Sub- or ‘‘cultural rot,’’ in the words of Sec- lence in television programming will, sequent days’ reviews of these shows retary Bennett, more evident than in over the long term, lead to a reduction found titles such as ‘‘One-night Stand the content of many of today’s daytime in violence in our society. Reunions.’’ Another show was entitled talk shows. Nowhere is the content of television ‘‘I’m Ready To Have Sex With You The news media are finally beginning more depraved and more sensational, Now.’’ And another show was called, ‘‘I to report on these issues, even though nowhere does television unapologet- Cheat and I’m Proud of It.’’ One show many Americans have been voicing ically appeal to people’s most prurient featured a woman who chose to tell her their concern for a long time. I know interests and worst instincts than on fiance on national television that she that I have been speaking out on these daytime talk shows. These are shows cheated on him with her sister’s boy- matters for a number of years, as have that do not even pretend to excuse friend and that she lied to him about a a number of my colleagues, and as have themselves under a disclaimer that miscarriage which was actually an Americans from all walks of life and they present fantasy or fiction. They abortion. Another show reunited por- all parts of the country. The media has pump up their ratings by portraying nographic stars, strippers, and trans- not been listening until recently, but their contents as ‘‘real life.’’ As a con- vestites with their past lovers. Perhaps they are listening now, and I think sequence, they demean and exploit real the most appropriately titled show of that is having a real effect. I would not be speaking out today, or people. By implication, they tell their all was the one entitled ‘‘You Look in the past, if I believed television was audiences that men, women, and chil- Like a Freak.’’ not important. It is very important. dren who have serious problems in life Quoting again from Dr. Centerwall, According to the World Almanac for are an object of freak-show fascination. babies ‘‘are born with an instinctive 1995, Americans watch approximately I doubt that many of the producers or capacity and desire to imitate adult sponsors of these shows will tell you 161⁄2 hours of television per week; teen- human behavior.’’ Continuing the agers watch about 12 hours per week. I that they are proud of what they do. If quote, ‘‘It is a most useful instinct, for think the number is higher than that, you asked them why they do it, in pri- the developing child must learn and but that is what this says. Our children vate, and if they were honest, I imag- master a vast repertoire of behavior in watch approximately 13 hours per ine they would confess they do it pure- short order.’’ The problem is that chil- week. For adults, this amounts to two ly for money. dren do not possess an instinct for full 8-hour working days of television During the Lieberman-Bennett press gauging a priori whether a behavior viewing per week. For children and conference last month, which I joined, ought to be imitated. teenagers, this amounts to 2 extra days some clips from these shows were Therein, Mr. President, lies the prob- of ‘‘television school.’’ For children, shown to illustrate our point that lem. We should not hesitate to speak this is far more time than they devote much of this programming has gone far out against things we feel are harmful to homework. The second most widely beyond the pale, and that we as citi- to our children and to our society. The circulated magazine in America is TV zens, as leaders, and as consumers people that produce television and Guide, a magazine about television. should let television executives know radio and newspapers have a first Billions and billions of dollars are and should let companies who advertise amendment right; no doubt about that. spent on television advertising. We all know that we believe it is unacceptable We all hold it sacred. But we also have know that market forces would not for those shows to continue to cul- a constitutional guarantee of free pour that kind of money into television tivate the seeds of cultural and moral speech as citizens. We do not have to be if it did not have a powerful impact on decline in our Nation. Senators to have that right. Citizens the people watching it. All of these sta- In subsequent responses to these have that right in America. While our tistics point to the fact that television comments we made at the news con- guarantee under the first amendment has a powerful and profound affect on ference, and in an effort to defend this allows programs such as these to exist, all of our lives. medium, some defenders of daytime it also allows them to be criticized. Given the tremendous impact of tele- talk shows suggested that we were out Further, it allows us to encourage the vision on American culture, the con- of line by speaking out against the con- corporations and businesses whose ad- tent of our television programming is tent of these shows. They even raised vertising dollars make these broad- important. To illustrate this point, I the question of the first amendment. casts possible to rethink their sponsor- refer my colleagues to the June 1992 Some suggested that daytime talk ship. That is what I have been doing for edition of the Journal of the American shows were the victims of broad gen- at least the last 5 years. If they do not Medical Association, which reported on eralizations, perhaps suggesting that rethink their sponsorship of these pro- a study that concluded there was a di- we found a few sensationalized, anoma- grams, the first amendment and our rect relationship between the level of lous episodes and were holding those up marketplace allows us, as consumers, violence on television and the growth as the standard daytime talk show to no longer support the products of of violent crime in our society. The fare. the corporations that fund programs S 17446 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 that we find offensive. That is our go from here? Mr. President, I want to poverty or less. But is that enough? As right as citizens. continue on the discussion that took you know, now it goes up every year so I believe that corporate executives place here previously. that we cover those at the age of 13, 14, need to pay attention to what their First of all, it seems to me to ask for and so forth up to the age of 18 by the dollars are sponsoring, and I believe the balanced budget in 7 years is a rea- year 2002. they need to rethink whether or not sonable request. I think the Repub- I, personally, would hope we would go they want their firms associated with licans and indeed all of us have a sound higher than the current category, many of these shows. Indeed, the point basis for saying, ‘‘Look, 7 years is not which as I said is up to the age of 13 at is not whether such shows can be too early to balance this budget.’’ So, I 100 percent of poverty or less. shown on television. They can be. We think it is quite proper for the Repub- Mr. President, I think we have the know that. The question is whether licans to hang firm on that particular ground here, from the discussions I such shows should be on television. For position. I heard the Senator from have heard on the floor, for arriving at too long, this second question has been Georgia say that 7 years is reasonable. a reasonable compromise. To get any ignored. What about the other side? I heard compromise, people have got to go in It appears that this question may fi- discussion on the tax cut. I think it is with a certain amount of flexibility. nally be getting the attention it de- perfectly reasonable for others to say If the Republicans say ‘‘Not a nickel serves. In recent days, the Wall Street we have to back off that tax cut. Now, reduction in the tax cut that we have Journal, the Washington Times, and should we back off to zero tax cut? Per- provided,’’ or if the Democrats say NBC News have reported that compa- haps that is going too far. Perhaps we ‘‘Nothing doing on the year 2002; noth- nies, including Procter & Gamble, the could settle on something in the neigh- ing doing there,’’ if each of us get dug Nation’s largest television advertiser, borhood of what the President himself in, we will not get anywhere. are withdrawing their advertising sup- has discussed. As I recall, that was I think we have the basis here for a port from some daytime talk shows be- something in the area of $107 billion, if reasonable compromise. I hope the ad- cause they do not meet company stand- I am not mistaken. ministration and the negotiators from ards of quality and decency. I am not in favor of the tax cut, pe- the House and the Senate would pay Mr. President, this is precisely the riod, never have been. Nonetheless, attention to the suggestions made here kind of corporate effort that can have there are those, particularly in the on the floor today. a significant impact on the content of other body, who feel very, very strong- Mr. KERRY. Will the Senator yield? television programming. All of this is ly about having a tax cut. So, perhaps Mr. CHAFEE. I am happy to yield to run by money, and if the money starts a suitable compromise would be to the Senator. shifting, believe me, there will be a re- back off to the area of the vicinity Mr. KERRY. I am delighted to hear sponse. I applaud Procter & Gamble of- where the President himself discussed our friend on the other side of the aisle ficials, and those in other companies, a tax cut. talk common sense, which seems to What about some of the other areas? who are beginning to realize—too slow- have been lacking here in much of the I certainly hope that those who have ly in my view, but finally—that they dialog over the last days. Many of us discussed Medicare here will recognize have an obligation beyond getting rat- over here feel very strongly that the that the 31.5 percent premium that we issue of a tax cut in the face of this def- ing points. They have a responsibility are now requiring for part B is a fair icit is a morality question, but I think as citizens for the kind of America we requirement, and it seems to me those the Senator from Rhode Island has ap- live in and how we raise our children. who are talking about going down to 25 As a final note, the heavy sexual con- propriately suggested, we all need some percent must recognize that that has tent in soap operas, the excessive gra- flexibility. to be picked up by the general treas- I ask the Senator, then, does he not tuitous violence, profanity, and sex in ury. That is where the money comes think, if there ought to be some tax prime time shows and, most impor- from. tantly, the lack of parental supervision All of us have to use some common cut, if that is part of the gospel here, should not escape this debate over tele- sense and reasonableness here, but I does the Senator not agree that at vision. We all have our responsibilities. have great difficulty understanding least that tax cut ought to be targeted These are aspects of television that are those who would want to take the pre- toward those Americans who can most just as important as the content of the mium, in effect, have it dropped—have benefit from it and also most need it? daytime talk shows. those who are receiving the benefits of Mr. CHAFEE. There is no question Mr. President, I have spoken out be- Medicare, an entitlement that goes that that is right. fore against these negative aspects and right across the board to everybody, I must say as we start on this, if I I will have more to say in the months rich or poor—to say that they are could use a word of caution, I hope that ahead. going to pay less for their part B pre- we would avoid the word ‘‘morality’’ Mr. CHAFEE. Mr. President, we are mium. So I hope that we would agree here, that one side is moral and the in morning business now and we can on the 31.5 percent. other side is immoral. I do not want to for a specific length of time, is that the Now, I have not heard a dissenting pursue this too far, but I think all of us way we are proceeding? voice that we should not go to the af- have to watch our rhetoric—me, us on The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- fluence testing. We can argue about this side, all of us in this Chamber—if ator is recognized for 10 minutes. that—whether it should be $50,000 for we are going to arrive at a satisfactory f the individual and $100,000 for the mar- resolution of these very difficult prob- ried couple and phasing out—we can lems. THE BALANCED BUDGET argue over that. Clearly, going to afflu- The answer to the question, have a Mr. CHAFEE. I thank the Chair. I ence testing makes a lot of sense. tax cut to help those who most need want to return to the balanced budget Now, the CPI. I hope we will do the it—sure. Of course, we recognize those amendment discussions that we have recomputation of the CPI. That is per- who most need it are not paying much had here previously. I listened to some fectly fair. If we are paying too much, of a tax to start with, so how much a of the discourse that took place here. I we ought to recognize it. reduction would be of assistance to thought there was a lot of common Another area that I think the Repub- those individuals, I do not know. sense here on the floor. licans should give ground on is on the I think we also have to recognize—as The Senator from Georgia spoke, the Medicaid and the reductions that are I said before, I am not for the tax cut. Senator from Nevada, the two Senators provided in that—reductions from rate But there are those who feel very, very from Nebraska and others. I thought of growth, yes; but I have grave con- deeply about it, particularly in the what was said here gives us ground for cerns over whether in the Medicaid we other body. That does not mean that arriving at a very reasonable com- are keeping a suitable safety net for we cannot back off from the size of the promise in the days ahead. those lower income individuals in our tax cut that was proposed. Clearly, the President will veto the society. If the Senator from Massachusetts balanced budget amendment. We all ac- Yes, we are protecting children up has some suggestions on how we could cept that. The question is, where do we through the age of 12 at 100 percent of reduce the tax cut and make it directed November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17447 more toward the group he was suggest- here. I wish to make a few remarks in stopped, why does anybody need to go ing, I think that sounds sensible to me. that regard in the time allotted in in? Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I believe morning business, because I think We were over there recently, just 1 there was an effort on the floor to try there is a great deal that is misunder- month ago this weekend. Four weeks to suggest that the tax cut ought to go stood about the peace process and our ago this weekend I was part of the Sen- to people—and I understand the Sen- involvement in it and what our rela- ator STEVENS’ Codel over there. We ator is absolutely correct, if you are tionship is to the talks going on in were briefed by our military leadership talking about the folks under $30,000 Dayton. and by our people and U.N. people in with the earned-income tax credit, you When we talk about the House, they Zagreb and Croatia. We flew into Sara- are obviously talking about a group of had a lot of discussion in the House, jevo for a period of time, along with people who also need an additional and, of course, they had their vote over 21,000 pounds of peas on a C–130, and amount of money that comes in the there, against any involvement in this out again. We spent about half a day, form of a check at the lower end of or against going in militarily. But which does not make us experts in that that scale in order to make it meaning- what has to be agreed to before we even area, but it was interesting to see it, ful. get involved in any way, what has to be anyway. Then we came back through That is not what we are talking agreed to, is a complete peace agree- Brussels and talked to our Ambas- about. There was a suggestion on the ment. It has to be agreed to, and not sadors there. floor of the Senate that the tax cut only agreed to but the firing has to But, when we were there, what we ought to be limited to those people have stopped before we move in. were so impressed with was there is a earning $100,000 or less, and that can There are those who, apparently, as- desire for peace. That is what has certainly be framed in a combination sume we are going to have to fight our started this whole thing. The parties of payroll credit-family credit or any way in to establish peace and establish themselves say they are tired of war. combination thereof, but at least in a peace as Tito did during the only pe- The parties themselves say they want terms of keeping faith with the notion riod in modern history where there has peace but are unable to get it. If we of fairness there is a clear juxtaposi- been peace in Yugoslavia. That was a have the agreement and we have the tion, is there not, between those earn- militarily imposed peace on the whole cease-fire, why do we need to go? Here ing $100,000 or less, a broad-based cap- country. are the facts we were told while we ital gains tax that might go to old in- were over there. That is not the kind of peace we are It is estimated that about 20 to 50 vestments versus new investments? talking about. There have to be two Or, for instance, an estate tax break percent of the people involved in the conditions met. First, there has to be that goes to people only with $600,000 fighting there are what they call the an agreement. It has to be airtight. It or $700,000 of estate value. It seems irregulars. They are not people who are has to be extremely detailed. It has to those are difficult fairness issues to try part of a regular, organized military define exactly what the borders are. It to suggest to the American people that militia that accepts commands from has to define exactly which town is in we are approaching this seriously. above or from Belgrade or anyplace what sector and what they have agreed Mr. CHAFEE. I agree with the Sen- else. They are people who are the to and signed up and said will be the ator from Massachusetts that we want irregulars. They are the farmers who new formation of those cities, those to look at these. We want to be careful are out cutting hay one day. They go newly emerging countries in that area. we are not giving tax breaks to the up to the lines, up to the next village So that agreement they are trying to very wealthy when we are trying to where there is a battle going on, they work out in Dayton right now has to be balance this budget. take a rifle from someone, they are in One of the suggestions that has come in that fine a detail. It cannot be just the lines for 3 or 4 days while someone up here as I understand is that we real- a peace agreement that says we will else goes back to cut their hay. They ly concentrate more on rewarding move in and we hope we can establish are the people who, in the 30-some those who save. How can we do it? peace. ‘‘Yes, United States and NATO, cease-fires that there have been over Should the interest on savings ac- you come and we know this will all there so far, they are the ones who counts be tax-exempt? Or reinstate the work out.’’ It is not that kind of agree- have violated the cease-fire because IRA’s for those who previously have ment they are working toward. If I they basically do not take orders from been eclipsed because they had pension thought it was that kind of agreement, anyone in particular. So the firing plans of some kind? I would not be supporting this process starts again, it spreads, and we have All of those I think are fruitful ideas. whatsoever. had 30-some cease-fires that have not All I am saying is, I think we have the What they are talking about is a worked. The fighting starts again. basis here for a resolution to this prob- very, very detailed agreement—specific What is contemplated, and what our lem. Again, it will require all of us to borders. Will this orchard be on this role would be over there—if we go in, if back off from entrenched positions. side? Whose territory will it be in? Will there is the airtight agreement, if the I hope that the Democrats would the next farm be in somebody else’s firing has stopped—then there would be agree to the 7-year time schedule. I territory? Will the road junction be in zones set up between the parties along think that is a reasonable request. If whose territory? That is the kind of de- these borders, well-defined borders, we cannot do this by the year 2002, tail they are trying to work out on where there would be 2- to 4-kilometer then we have real problems in this huge maps out there in Dayton. I would width areas in this that would be pa- country. say, it will be uphill at best that there trolled or would be monitored by the We have no war. We are in peacetime. will be any agreement coming out of NATO forces, of which we would be The country is relatively prosperous. that. I am still of the opinion that it is about one-third of the total NATO Clearly, we ought to be able to pay our probably 60–40 against our ever being force. I do not see that as being bad in bills and have outgo match income in involved over there, because I doubt that situation. the year 2002. the parties will be able to come to that Now, if there is firing by these Mr. KERRY. Will the Senator yield? kind of definitive outline on a map as irregulars or anyone else, we would put The PRESIDING OFFICER. The to who has what in their territory. It it down immediately. We would hope, Chair will advise the Senator from has to be that way or we should not get because of the massive show of force we Rhode Island his time has expired. involved. are putting in there, there would be no Mr. GLENN addressed the Chair. Second, the firing has to have firing. If there is, it would be put down The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- stopped. The firing has to have ceased. and put down immediately. It would be ator from Ohio. Obviously, the next question is, then, if by NATO rules of engagement, not the f they have that kind of commitment to U.N. rules of engagement. They are peace, which they say they have, and more of a debating society than any- BOSNIA that is the reason they are in Dayton thing else. But NATO rules of engage- Mr. GLENN. Mr. President, earlier talking, and they have come to a defin- ment say if you are fired on, you can today Bosnia was discussed on the floor itive peace agreement and firing has obliterate that source. I asked General S 17448 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 Joulwan, would we be permitted to peace and if they fire—to me is well both political parties who generally do take out anybody who fired on any of worth the risk. not view things from the extremes and the NATO forces? Absolutely. Much has been made out of the fact who want to solve problems. I hope we That is key to the whole thing. Will that we want to provide leadership for will find a way, using some common there be any risk? I suppose there is. NATO. I agree with that. I think our sense, to engage in an attempt to find We have already had three people membership in NATO is very impor- solutions to some of the vexing prob- killed over there when we had Frasure, tant. But that is not just the reason lems we have in this country. Kruzel, and Drew, who were in a vehi- why we go in. That is pointed to, some- The Senator from Georgia was on the cle that slid off the road and they were times, as the reason we go in, in effect floor talking about trash television a killed in the wreck. That is tragic. Our saying, ‘‘There go our NATO people. few moments ago. My sense is that peo- hearts go out to their families on this. We better rush out and lead them, be- ple in this country are concerned about I knew one of the gentlemen, Mr. cause we are the biggest factor in two principal areas, and he hit on one Kruzel, in particular. It is a terrible NATO.’’ of those. One is economic security. The thing that anybody is killed in a situa- I will not agree with that. NATO has fact is that many Americans are hav- tion like this. to be right. Let us judge this on wheth- ing more trouble finding a job, and But will there be any danger of acci- er it is right to go in, or wrong to go in, many others are finding that their dents like that, or maybe somebody and try to get peace in that area where wages are declining. Sixty percent of getting killed? There might be. But I peace has not taken root for so long, American families are working harder would also point out we do not with- and where some of the actions that for less money and are losing income. draw the Peace Corps from overseas, have happened there in the past have This means less economic security. I and the Peace Corps in its history has literally been the sparks that set off think people are very concerned about had 224 people who have died overseas. two world wars. So, if we can bring that. I was surprised it was that high a num- peace to that area, to me it is well They are also concerned about the ber. I would have thought it would worth the risk. diminution of values—the lowering of have been a very, very few, but the NATO leadership, I think, is, impor- standards in this country. And part of Peace Corps lost 224 people so far, to tant, and NATO has been looked at by that relates to trash television and vio- this date, since its inception. too many Americans, I believe, as just lence on television. We can do some- Like the old saying in aviation, some sort of a remnant of the cold war, thing about some of these things, but ‘‘How do you have complete, 100 per- and let us forget it and move out of not all of them. We must address some cent aviation safety? You keep all the NATO. Is it still important? I do be- of the issues in the home and in the airplanes in the hangar. You do not lieve NATO is important. It is impor- community. But some of these prob- risk them.’’ Yet we know how much tant. NATO leadership is what is mov- lems represent public policy areas as good we have done around the world by ing us into the organization for secu- well. being involved to some extent. We have rity and cooperation in Europe work- In the area of economic security, one a Christian-Judeo heritage of helping ing with the European Union. We have of the things that is often discussed— people, alleviating suffering around the a Partnership for Peace, which is in its and one that I agree with—is that we world. We supply food, we send out AID fledgling days but becoming more and have to put our fiscal house in order at programs. Of course, we cannot solve more important. The North Atlantic some point. We cannot continue to run all the world’s problems, either with Cooperation Council was formed in enormous debts year after year. We peaceful organizations or with the 1991. That is moving ahead, and really cannot spend money we do not have military. But I think an American is a good force for peace in that part of forever. leadership in the world has been such a the world. We are the biggest factor in I would not have a problem if next force for good, I would hate to see us go NATO. I think it is important that we year we spent $400 billion we did not back to trying to be an isolationist retain that. But I do not see our leader- have—and therefore incur a deficit America. ship of NATO as just being the only next year of $400 billion—if with that I repeat once again, we have to have reason we should move into that par- $400 billion we cured cancer just like an agreement, airtight. The firing has ticular area. to have stopped. Then we go in with I know my time is up. Do not forget that. I would say that was a pretty minimal risk, with our NATO allies, to for 1 minute that we have to have an good investment. You amortize that try to keep that peace that has been airtight agreement. We have to have a over the next 40, 50, 70 years, and it eluding them so far, basically because cease-fire, and on that basis we move would be worth paying off the $400 bil- of the irregulars who do not honor in to try to give peace a chance in that lion deficit incurred to cure cancer. these cease-fires. very, very tough area of the world. But that is not what these deficits Our leadership is important. We re- I yield the floor. are about. These are systemic deficits stored democracy in Haiti. In the proc- Several Senators addressed the in the operating budgets of this coun- ess of doing that, of leading, we have Chair. try. You cannot continue that. You been involved in bringing peace to the The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. must address it. Middle East, working on it in Northern ASHCROFT). The Senator from North That is why I said last evening that Ireland, we see Russian nuclear weap- Dakota. I commend the majority party for a ons are no longer aimed at our people. Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, it is my reconciliation bill that contains some We secured the indefinite extension of understanding that we are in morning things that are good. It contains some a Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, business under a 10-minute rule. awful things as well, and I think some which was a big step forward. We The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- bad priorities. I am glad the President achieved real progress toward a Com- ator is correct. is going to veto it. I do not support it. prehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President I wanted But it has a good number of things that We reached an agreement with North to respond to the Senator from Rhode make a lot of sense. There are a good Korea to end its nuclear weapons pro- Island and some others today. I found number of things in that reconciliation gram. These are products of American his remarks to be particularly interest- bill that both sides would agree to. But leadership, and that is just a little, ing and helpful, and, as is often the there are some major elements of the partial list. We have seen democracies case, I find myself agreeing with a fair reconciliation bill that must be growing in South America because of amount of what he says. He is sensible, changed because, as we address the def- our involvement there. and moderate, which is probably dif- icit in this country—and ultimately we I think the risk over there, in that ficult for many these days. I saw a car- must do it together—we must find a Bosnian area, if it is done pursuant to toon recently in which someone was compromise. We should not ask the a well-thought-out agreement and a pointing at someone else and saying portion of the American people who cease-fire, and we go in with a prepon- ‘‘There is no room for moderates here.’’ have the least to bear the biggest bur- derance of force that people understand The fact is that there is a lot of room den of all the spending cuts, and then is going to be used if they break the for moderates. There are moderates in turn to the small portion of those who November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17449 have the most and give them the larg- proposed $245 billion tax cut will be I bet there is no one in the Senate est share of the tax cuts. We have to borrowed and will add to the national who knew that provision was in that try to fix some of those things. debt, which adds to the burden of those plan. I am talking about a couple little With respect to where we are today, children we have been talking about. provisions—there are dozen and dozens the shutdown ought to end. The rec- On the car radio on the way in this and dozens of those little nuggets— onciliation bill is passed. The Presi- morning, I heard a woman who had that say to big interests, special inter- dent is going to veto it. Negotiations, called the radio to talk about the shut- ests: Guess what? It is time to smile. in my judgment, ought to begin imme- down. She said both of her parents, re- We are offering up to you an enormous diately to try to find a solution to the grettably, have to go to a nursing reward at a time when we say to kids, impasse and a solution to the reconcili- home, one because of Alzheimer’s and we do not have room for you in the ation bill. The question ought not be one who had a stroke. They have been Head Start Program; at a time when whether we have a reconciliation bill. there 5 years and started out with an we say to kids benefiting from the Star The question is not whether we address asset base of $400,000 to $600,000. Now Schools Program that we are sorry, the budget deficit and lead to a bal- much of that is gone. She called and you are going to have to cut back. anced budget. The question is, how do said, ‘‘My worry is for when their as- My point is that this debate is about we do that? Not whether, but how? sets are gone—and I believe that their priorities and choices. All of us, it There is no good reason, in my judg- assets should be used to pay for their seems to me, in the coming days can do ment, to have a continued government care—my parents will not have an enti- better. And I stand here as one who shutdown. There is no juice left in that tlement to Medicaid.’’ When their as- says let us balance the budget. Let us lemon for anybody—not for any politi- sets are gone, under this new proposal, do it the right way. Let us all engage cal party, and not for any political they will not have guaranteed coverage in debate about choices and agree. leader. This shutdown does not make under Medicaid. That will be up to the Seven years is just fine with me. In any sense. States. Maybe the States will decide fact, we could do it within 5 if the Fed- I probably contribute to some of the that nursing home care is an entitle- eral Reserve Board will take the boot concerns about the language that has ment for her parents. Maybe not. She off the neck of Americans and allow us been used during the shutdown. I read was worried about that. a little economic growth. But let us on the floor statements by the Speaker That is a significant change. That discuss it together—the Senator from of the House, who in April said, ‘‘We was in this budget reconciliation bill. I Rhode Island is absolutely right—use are going to create a titanic standoff mentioned last evening the differences some common sense and do the right and shut down the Government.’’ Those in spending priorities that have been thing for this country. are the facts. However, I am not saying talked about and for which the CR was Mr. President, I thank you for your that only one party is at fault here. fought over this weekend—cuts of 40 indulgence. I yield the floor. The fact is that there is lots of room percent out of a little program called f for blame. There has been lots of lan- Star Schools; only $25 million is spent guage uttered in these past few days on Star Schools and that will be cut by BUDGET PRIORITIES that has caused a lot of chaos in the 40 percent. The bill the Senate passed Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I would political system. But we find ourselves the other day, which I voted against, like to pick up, if I may, where the in a circumstance where we have peo- doubles the amount of money spent on Senator from North Dakota leaves off. ple who say it is either our way or it is star wars despite the fact that is was He talked about the dozens and doz- no way. If you do not do it our way, we not requested by the Pentagon. ens of nuggets that are in this bill. I will shut the Government down. The I think these priorities are wrong. I know my colleague from Massachu- fact is Government works by consent. do not say that in a pejorative way. I setts is going to talk about some of This is a democracy. For 200 years we say that in my judgment we can do a those specific items. I would like to have had impasses over wars, over de- lot better for this country than those speak for a moment, if I may, about pressions, over dozens and dozens of priorities. the word that the Senator from North vexing, troublesome issues. The way I mentioned yesterday that in this Dakota kept using about priorities. those impasses have been solved is that thick reconciliation plan, there are two I wish to emphasize, as I think every people with good will, with common little things buried—among dozens and Democrat wants to emphasize, this de- sense, have come together and said, dozens—that I bet nobody in the Cham- bate is not about whether to balance ‘‘Let us reason. Let us find a way to ber knew about. One is a provision to the budget. We keep hearing Repub- meet the goal, to work out this prob- repeal the alternative minimum tax lican friends come to the floor, and lem together.’’ provisions we put in place in 1986. That they keep saying we have to do this be- I want to mention a couple of things little thing that nobody knows about cause this is the only way to balance that were in the reconciliation bill means that 2,000 corporations will re- the budget. If we do not do this, the which causes a lot of problems. ceive $7 million each in tax cuts. Democrats will not balance the budget. Medicare—do we need to reduce the Let me say that again: 2,000 corpora- They do not want to balance the budg- rate of growth in Medicare and Medic- tions will receive a tax cut of $7 mil- et. aid? Yes, we do. Not just in Medicare lion each. Mr. President, this is not the only and Medicaid but in the price of health Another little provision is labeled way to balance the budget. That is care generally for families, for busi- 956(A). I bet no one in the Chamber what this fight is about. And, indeed, nesses, for governments. The price of knows what it is. Well, it deals with the majority of Democrats have voted health care, the escalation of health the repeal of the circumstance of defer- to balance the budget, balance it in 7 care costs year after year somehow has ral with respect to income that is de- years—balance the budget. We voted to be addressed. But no one can any ferred for tax purposes by foreign sub- for a 9-year balancing of the budget. longer believe that what is in this rec- sidiaries of American corporations. The balancing of the budget is not onciliation bill will address the price They have the money over there. Now, what is at issue before America today. escalation in Medicare by saying to we have certain passive rules that say What is at issue is what choices will we senior citizens you will have the same you have to repatriate the money you make as we balance it. quality health care and you will not pay taxes on. This little nugget in here Now, it is uncontested—every analy- pay more for it. Everyone understands says we are going to spend hundreds of sis of our economy shows—that those this approach means senior citizens millions of dollars to tell those compa- Americans we keep talking about, the will get less and pay more. nies that have moved jobs overseas, Americans who work every day the The tax cut—many of us feel very moved jobs out of this country: By the hardest, the people who go and punch strongly that the facts show every dol- way, we are going to reward you even in a clock or the people who are the lar of this tax cut will be borrowed. I more for it. nitty-gritty of the production of goods would love to have somebody come and Those things do not make any sense. in this country, are working harder, explain why that is not true. Regret- We ought not vote for a bill that in- and they are making less money for tably, it is true. Every dollar of the cludes things like that. their effort. They have less ability to S 17450 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 purchase, less ability to buy the new now going to have to become destitute We need to raise the income of Amer- car, less ability to send their kid to get and live under a whole new set of icans. And we are going to have to a decent education. Those are the peo- standards because in order to allow the train them and educate them to do ple we ought to be fighting for. That is nursing homes to meet the expecta- that. I know there is nobody on the the majority of Americans. But the tions of being able to reduce the cost, other side of the aisle more committed majority of Americans do not make we are not going to do it in a sort of to doing that than the Senator from out in this bill that was passed as well sensible, humane way; we are going to Rhode Island. I must say to my friend as people at the upper end of our scale. do it by changing the standards in from Rhode Island, I would love to do That is just not fair. I am at the nursing homes so that the people who it in 7 years. I am prepared to commit upper end of the scale. Most of us in own the nursing homes do not have to to 7 years, if we can find a reasonable the Senate are at the upper end of the live up to the same standard of the pro- agreement on what you base your num- scale. The minute you get a U.S. Sen- vision of care so they can reduce the bers on. But if somebody comes to me ator’s salary, unsupplemented by any- cost. and says, Senator, we could balance thing else, you are up to the top tiny This is about priorities. It is about this budget in 81⁄2 years or 8 years, we digits of wage earners in America. The what do we care about. can balance it fairly, and we can also truth is that we do better in this bill One of the most egregious things provide drug treatment to 50 percent than the average American, and that is that happens in America, has happened more drug addicts and we can also send disgraceful. That is not what we were in the last 13 years, is that those peo- 2.5 million more kids to college, I will sent here to do. We ought to be able to ple at the bottom end of the income go for that. And I think a lot of people go home and look people in the eye and scale, the bottom 20 percent saw their here would go for that. say, ‘‘You are going to do as well or income go down over the last 13 years I will tell you something. Most better.’’ We cannot do that. 17 percent. The next 20 percent of Americans would go for that. Ameri- I know all the arguments are made, Americans saw their income go down 4 cans want truth and common sense. well, this is going to help people in the percent. The middle two percentiles of They are tired of rigid intuition-or- long term because it is going to reduce Americans stayed about the same. And dained 7-year goals. They want this their income taxes, ultimately it is the top quintile of Americans went up place to legislate on the basis of hon- going to lower the interest rates. 105 percent in income. esty and common sense. And my prayer I agree that it can do all that. Bal- In a country that is increasingly is that in the next few hours we will ancing the budget can do all that. But competing against a world market- get the Government of this country I do not know any American—nobody place where information is power, back to work and we will sit down like in Massachusetts has come up to me where skill comes through your edu- adults and come to an agreement about and said, ‘‘Senator, I want to live next cation level, where the kind of job you what the best interests of this Nation to a Superfund site. I want to live next can have and the kind of income you are. to a toxic waste site.’’ But for some can earn comes through your access to Mr. GORTON addressed the Chair. reason, in this budget the money to The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- education, to be making it harder for clean up those sites is reduced. ator from Washington. Americans to get that education is I do not know anybody who has come simply inexplicable. ORDER FOR RECESS UNTIL 4 P.M. to me in any community in Massachu- Mr. GORTON. Mr. President, I ask setts and said, ‘‘I don’t think that peo- But that is what this bill does. It is going to make about 1,200 of our edu- unanimous consent that following the ple who have a drug addiction conclusion of the remarks of the Sen- shouldn’t get treatment.’’ In fact, for cational institutions drop out of direct lending. About 1.8 million students are ator from Rhode Island [Mr. CHAFEE], all the rhetoric in the Senate about the Senator from Massachusetts [Mr. crime, 70 percent of the people in jail going to be dropped off of student loans. And many of us have been vis- KENNEDY], and the Senator from Min- today are there on a drug-related of- nesota [Mr. GRAMS], the Senate stand fense or they are on drugs. If you want ited—the senior Senator from Massa- chusetts and I have been visited by our in recess until 4 p.m., today. to deal with drugs in America, you are The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there University of Massachusetts folks, who going to have to have drug treatment. objection? tell us that they are literally going to And yet this budget cuts drug treat- Without objection, it is so ordered. ment. have kids drop out of school as a con- Mr. CHAFEE addressed the Chair. This budget cuts safe schools and sequence of the increase in student The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- drug-free schools money. I do not un- loan costs because it is that marginal ator from Rhode Island. derstand that. I do not understand how for them, their ability to be able to go Mr. CHAFEE. Mr. President, I lis- you make those cuts and turn around to school in the first place. tened carefully to the remarks of the and give somebody with a $5 million So, Mr. President, I share the feeling Senator from Massachusetts and appre- asset base over $1 million worth of tax of the Senator from Rhode Island. ciate the thoughtfulness of his ap- break. There is a middle ground here. I abso- proach to this situation. It seems to I used the word ‘‘moral’’ earlier. I do lutely agree with him. We must reduce me that while each side has to exercise not want to offend anybody. It is not the rate of growth in entitlements. We some common sense in all of this, I only my word. I have heard people like cannot have it both ways. And we can- really do think that there is an under- Pete Peterson, whom I respect enor- not talk out of both sides of our mouth. lying thrust that we must not forget, mously, former Commerce Secretary, I voted for a bill that reduced Medicare and that is, that we feel very strongly Paul Tsongas, Warren Rudman of the and reduced Medicaid, but not three on this side of the aisle that we have to Concord Coalition, they use that word, times what the trustees tell us we reach a zero deficit situation. because if you have a $245 billion tax need. We believe in the year 2002. And it break, which you have, you are effec- I hope that my friend from Rhode Is- seems to me, as I have stated before, tively borrowing $300 billion of money land and others on the Republican side that is a reasonable goal. And I have from future taxpayers and shifting it would agree, look, there are 100 Sen- heard the Democratic senior Senator to current taxpayers. ators here, you cannot come to the from Georgia say that is a reasonable That is the very thing that sup- floor of the Senate and have 20 people goal. And I think we all ought to agree posedly this budget is geared to ad- decide, or 30 people, that it is just that the year 2002 is something that is dress. The whole purpose of balancing going to be their way. We have to have attainable and that it is fair, that we the budget today is to stop borrowing, some compromise. We are prepared on all concur in that. and yet we are going to borrow in order our side, I know, to compromise on Now, on the other side of the aisle to give this tax break to the people things that we do not necessarily agree they feel strongly that there should who least need it. with completely in the hopes that we not be a tax cut at all, or if there is This is a question of priorities. How will not wind up with such a lopsided, going to be a tax cut, it should be of a do you explain to people in a nursing unfair, and, frankly, unwise approach far lower nature than we have proposed home, who are senior, that they are to the problems of this country. on this side. To me, that is fair for November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17451 them to make that request. And I lavish tax breaks for the wealthiest in- alone means additional costs to elderly think we have to back off on this side dividuals and corporations in America. patients of $5 billion a year. on the size of the tax cut that we are It is a program to bash Medicare, slash The Medicare cuts are so deep that seeking. education, and trash the environment, they will ‘‘jeopardize the ability of hos- But I would hope this, Mr. Presi- and it eminently deserves the veto it is pitals to deliver quality care, not just dent—I know there are going to be about to get. to those who rely on Medicare and other speakers, and I know the senior The Republican budget raids private Medicaid, but to all Americans,’’ ac- Senator from Massachusetts has some pension funds, and slams the door of cording to a statement by organiza- charts prepared, and we are ready for colleges and universities on the sons tions representing 5,000 hospitals na- all the evils, to hear about all the evils and daughters of working families. It tionwide. Cuts in research and medical of the deficit reduction bill that we dumps over a million more children education will be devastating to the passed last evening. All right. We are into poverty in the misguided Repub- quality of health care in communities used to that. But I would hope that lican version of welfare reform. across the Nation. whoever speaks on this floor will say It even raises taxes—yes, raises Medicaid will bear a heavy burden how he or she is going to reach a zero taxes—on those who can least afford too. It will be cut by $160 billion over 7 deficit. It is all right to criticize what it—the lowest income working Ameri- years. By 2002, Medicaid will be cut by we have done. And I suppose you can cans. a full one-third. come up with 35 items of how what we I hope all those Florida Republicans And 4.4 million children will lose cov- passed last evening was not correct. All who are voting in their straw poll erage; 1.4 million disabled will lose cov- right. That is fair game. But in return, today will ask why Senator DOLE and erage; 920,000 seniors will lose coverage. I would hope that the critics come up Senator GRAMM want to raise taxes on Guarantees of coverage and services with how they would do it, and in what working Americans. How very Repub- will be eliminated. Nursing home standards will be year, and how and where the savings lican—tax breaks for the wealthiest weakened, despite a 98 to 1 Senate vote are going to come from. families, and tax increases for working to maintain them. Families will be Is it going to be a CPI adjustment, or families. forced into poverty by high nursing is it going to be keeping the Medicare And for the wealthiest families of all, home costs. States will be allowed to part B premium at 31.5 percent, or is it the Republicans leave no stone recover the cost of nursing care from going to be a reduction in that, all of unturned. All year, Democrats have adult children with incomes in excess which costs money, if you change? How tried to close the most notorious tax of $36,000 annually. States will be al- is that individual or those individuals loophole of all—the billionaire’s tax lowed to put liens on the homes of proposing that we reach this zero defi- loophole. That loophole lets wealthy nursing home residents, even if spouses Americans renounce their American cit? I think that is a fair requirement or children are living there, despite a citizenship and evade their fair share of for us to impose on the critics of the vote by the Senate to eliminate these taxes on the massive wealth they have plan that we passed last evening. provisions. I thank the Chair. accumulated in America. In a shameful giveaway to the phar- Mr. KENNEDY addressed the Chair. It is difficult to imagine a more ob- maceutical industry, the bipartisan The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- scene or less justified loophole. Every Medicaid drug rebate program is weak- ator from Massachusetts. time we have challenged it in the Sen- ened, at a cost to taxpayers and pa- f ate, the Senate has voted almost tients of $1 billion a year, despite a unanimously to close it tight—no ifs, BUDGET PRIORITIES vote by the Senate to preserve this pro- ands, or buts. gram. Mr. KENNEDY. I am very hopeful But once again, behind closed doors, Federal clinical lab standards to en- that we can reach a satisfactory com- the Republicans have quietly saved it. sure the accuracy of medical tests are promise today on the legislation need- The billionaire’s tax loophole is alive eliminated. ed to end this indefensible shutdown of and well in this Republican bill. Shame On education, the Republican budget the Federal Government and move on on the Republicans for catering to bil- cuts the Federal investment in edu- to the real debate over what this con- lionaires and clobbering senior citizens cation by one third over 7 years. We troversy is all about. on Medicare. should be investing more in education, We all agree on the need to balance The Republican attack on Medicare not less, How can every Republican the Federal budget. The fundamental is unprincipled and unconscionable. possibly justify an assault like that on issue is not whether or when to balance Nothing in their budget better illus- education. it, but how to balance it fairly. trates the harsh and extreme approach Student loans are cut by $4.9 billion, President Clinton is right to take a the Republicans are taking to the at a time when student financial need strong stand against the Republican needs of the elderly. Every senior citi- is greater than ever. College costs are plan. That plan is based on the same zen in Florida voting in the straw poll rising faster than family income. old Republican trickle-down ideology today should vote for ‘‘None of the Grants make up less than one quarter of plums for the rich and crumbs for Above’’ if they care about Medicare. of Federal aid. Student debt is sky- everyone else. The Republican plan is Under the Republican budget, Medi- rocketing. The average student leaves filled to overflowing with tax breaks care is cut $270 billion over 7 years, college owing $9,000. Many graduate for the wealthy and give-aways to pow- three times the amount necessary to and professional students owe over erful special interest groups. And to protect the Medicare trust fund, in $100,000 before they start their first job. pay for all those give-aways, the Re- order to finance $245 billion in new tax The Republican budget is a triumph publican plan imposes heavy burdens breaks for wealthy Americans. of special interests over student inter- on senior citizens, students, the needy, Medicare part B premiums are raised ests. It is rigged to funnel over $100 bil- the environment, and working families by $52 billion over the next 7 years, lion in new business to banks and struggling to make ends meet. compared to what they would be under money-lenders at the expense of col- The American people did not vote for current law. Premiums will rise from leges and students. priorities like that in 1994, and they $553 this year to $1,068 by the year 2002. It is hard to find a more vivid or dis- are not going to vote for priorities like Every senior citizen will pay $2,240 graceful example of the prostitution of that in 1996. more than under current law. Elderly Republican principles. When profits are You cannot judge the Republican couples will pay $4,480 more. at stake, Republicans are more than book by its title. They call it the Bal- Senior citizens will be coerced into willing to roll over and sell out free- anced Budget Act of 1995. That sooth- giving up their own doctor. They will market competition, and replace it ing title is a fraud. The Republican be herded into HMO’s or forced to join with the heavy hand of a government- budget is a scorched-earth scheme that other private insurance plans. They guaranteed monopoly. imposes unprecedented sacrifices on will lose the current protection that Under the Republican bill, beginning senior citizens, students, children, and prevents doctors from charging more next year, only 102 colleges will be al- working families in order to pay for than Medicare will pay—that change lowed to participate in direct lending. S 17452 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 1,250 colleges and 1.8 million students terests’ power that they have even will certainly be voting against prior- already in the program will be forced managed to corrupt the budget scoring ities like that in 1996. out of direct lending against their will. process. They persuaded the Repub- Mr. President, I have listened with In Massachusetts alone, 32 colleges lican majority in Congress to include a great interest to my friend and col- and universities and almost 100,000 stu- provision in the budget resolution forc- league from Rhode Island talking dents will be required by law to give up ing the Congressional Budget Office to about the state of the American econ- the advantages of direct lending. They score this issue dishonestly, and there- omy and who is really serious in this will be required to return to the bu- by show savings to the Federal budget Chamber and which political party has reaucratic maze of the old guaranteed of $775 million over 7 years capping di- been serious about dealing with the loan program, where 7,000 lenders and rect lending at 10 percent. An honest budget of the United States. Of course, 41 guaranty agencies bury students in accounting would show that eliminat- he understands very well that when the redtape. Students at Boston Univer- ing direct lending costs—costs the Fed- Republicans came into power in 1980 sity, MIT Mount Holyoke, Springfield eral Government almost $1.5 billion. there was $460 billion in deficit, and Technical and Community College, and Not only are the Republicans doing the when the Republicans left power in 1992 many others, will be forced out of di- wrong thing, they are actually increas- it was $4.4 trillion. rect lending. ing the deficit to do it. You cannot All during that period of time the Colleges and universities across the blame President Clinton for rejecting moneys which were actually appro- country are outraged at being forced CBO scoring, when Republicans rig priated by Democratic Congresses was out of one of the most successful re- CBO scoring so shamelessly. less than was requested by a Repub- forms in the history of Federal aid to It is unconscionable for the Repub- lican President. So, we are very glad education. And 472 colleges and univer- lican majority to use their majority that our Republican friends want to sities across the country have written power to undermine education and pro- get serious about the deficit now. But I urging Congress to reject this arbitrary tect the profits of banks and guaranty think as we are talking about this limit on their ability to choose the agencies. Few issues in this budget de- issue, and as we have listened to a loan program that best serves their bate more clearly demonstrate whose President who says that he is commit- students. side Democrats are on, and whose side ted to a balanced budget, we are also Over 100 of the colleges that signed Republicans are on. Democrats are paying attention to a President who the letter are not in direct lending. But proud to stand with families struggling initiated a proposal that passed this they recognize its benefit for their stu- to educate their children. Republicans body without a single vote from the dents too. As they put it: are content to cast their lot with the Republicans that has paid off $600 bil- well-connected few, and thumb their lion of the deficit, something that has Those of us who represent institutions that nose at colleges and students. are satisfied with the guaranteed student already been done, an achievement and loan program also support the continued On pensions, protections in current accomplishment, not just particular availability of the direct loan program to in- law are weakened to allow a raid of $20 rhetoric. And there was not a single stitutions. The competition created by direct billion on workers’ pension funds by Republican vote that was for it. lending has induced banks and guarantors to large corporations and corporate raid- In the last few days we hear our Re- improve the efficiency of their delivery proc- ers. This provision was eliminated from publican friends chide the President ess, and has, for the first time, provided the the Senate bill by a 94 to 5 vote, but and say, ‘‘Well, he really didn’t mean it student loan industry with market-based in- has now been restored behind Repub- centives to provide better service. The guar- now. And so we’re going to try to take lican closed doors. care of it.’’ But I have yet to hear one anteed student loan system has improved On children, the Republican budget Senator on that side of the aisle say more since the phase-in of direct lending two slashes essential safety-net programs years ago than it did over the more than two that we wish that was repealed and for low-income children and families decades of existence prior to 1993. how they would make up the $600 bil- by $82 billion. The colleges in direct lending speak The Republican budget slashes essen- lion which has already been paid off on first-hand of its benefits for their stu- tial child care funding and eliminates the deficit. They have not talked about dents—simplified applications, the ex- health and safety protections for chil- that. They have not mentioned that. All they do is continue along to try pedited receipt of funds, the disappear- dren in child care. Many more children and reach the legitimate concerns that ance of the endless lines of students will be left home alone and countless the American people have in trying to waiting to endorse their checks at reg- others will find themselves in danger. istration time, the welcome drop in the The Republican budget slashes $6 bil- bring the economic house in order, and number of emergency loans issued to lion from school lunch programs. It very little time is spent, quite frankly, students waiting to hear about their slashes $9 billion from benefits that in reviewing how they would do that. regular loans from their banks, and allow one million children with disabil- And that is basically the issue that is fewer trips to the financial aid office to ities to continue to live at home with before this body. The Democrats have, clean up redtape. their families. under President Clinton, reduced the As these colleges write: In page after page of their legisla- Federal deficit by $600 billion. The Re- Direct lending has eliminated redundant tion, Republicans offer an open hand to publicans have talked about it. And paperwork, reduced staff time allocated to powerful special interests and the back now we have a President that is com- dealing with thousands of lenders and dozens of their hand to everyone else. mitted, and all of us are moving toward of guarantors and other intermediaries, and As people learn more and more about the balanced budget. vastly improved our overall aid delivery the Republicans’ agenda, they like it But I want to point out very clearly, processes because it seamlessly integrates less and less. They understand why this Mr. President, that it certainly will with other federal aid programs. battle is so important. We are talking not be this way. It certainly will not be The issue does not get much clearer. about fundamental principles and the this way. It will not be the way of cut- Colleges and universities across the kind of country we want to be in the ting back on the Medicare opportuni- country are unanimous. The student years ahead. ties for our senior citizens, the $270 bil- loan system needs more competition, It is wrong for the Republicans to lion that is going to be required to be not less. Banks and guaranty agencies slash Medicare in order to pay for tax paid by our senior citizens, with in- do not deserve this protection. The breaks for the wealthy. It is wrong for creased out-of-pocket costs for all of guaranteed loan program is not a free Republicans to slash education and our seniors in this country over this market program to begin with. The raid employee pension funds. It’s wrong period of time, and the $245 billion in banks and guaranty agencies reap all for Republicans to dismantle the basic tax breaks. the profits and take none of the risks, bipartisan environmental protections There is only one tax that has been because Uncle Sam is guaranteeing the we’ve enacted to keep the air clean, to increased, Mr. President, in this whole loans. keep the water clean, to keep our food proposal, only one tax that has been in- Direct lending also saves money for safe. creased, and it is the earned-income the taxpayer if honest accounting is The American people did not vote for tax credit. And who does that apply to? used. It is a measure of the special in- priorities like that in 1994—and they Does that apply to the billionaires? Oh, November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17453 no. The billionaires were taken care of. at an income of $15,000 and 83 percent those workers, you talk about the We voted in here to eliminate the bil- of them are below $25,000, who are pay- problem that those workers are facing. lionaire’s tax loophole. For those who ing more out of pocket now in terms of The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- do not understand it, it says, if you health care because we do not cover ator’s time has expired. have been able to accumulate $3 mil- prescription drugs, we do not cover Mr. KENNEDY. Can I just have a lion or $4 million or $5 million or $600 dental care, we do not cover foot care, final 5 minutes? I ask unanimous con- million, or up to even $1 billion, or we do not cover eye care. sent for 5 more minutes. even more, you can escape your pay- Go into any senior citizen home in The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without ment into the Federal Treasury by re- any part of the country and ask how objection, it is so ordered. nouncing your citizenship, renouncing many are paying $50 a month for pre- Mr. KENNEDY. I yield myself 41⁄2 your citizenship, escape payment, be- scription drugs and see half the hands minutes, so I know when there are 30 come a Benedict Arnold, escape pay- in the hall go up. That is what is hap- seconds left. ment and, what happened? This body pening out there, eating away at scarce Mr. President, those families work- went on record by over 92 or 93 Sen- resources. And now those 35 million ing all that period of time now find ators that said we ought to close that Americans who participate in Social they are going to have to pay more in loophole, no ifs, ands, or buts. We had Security and Medicare are wondering, taxes. They might have a number of statements and comments by the mem- ‘‘Look, they are squeezing me on So- children that may be getting some bers of the Finance Committee that it cial Security; if I am a veteran, they kind of health care covered under the was going to be closed at the earliest squeeze those benefits; Medicare, they Medicaid Program. Eighteen million opportunity. Many of us required a are squeezing benefits and if I get sick children in that program; 4.5 million of vote to make sure that that was going and lose all my money and go into a them are going to be dropped from any to be done, and members fell over nursing home, they have done some- kind of coverage under these Medicaid themselves trying to go on record and thing wonderful as well.’’ Instead of cuts. That is what we are talking about say, ‘‘We are not going to permit that the payment in full for the nursing in this Republican bill: The raising of unseemly, unconscionable practice to home, they say the nursing home can the Medicare premiums, the indiffer- continue.’’ charge you in addition to that, too. ence in dropping children from health And then what happens? You hardly First time. That is what is in this bill. care coverage, dropping the fundamen- get the doors closed over there in that That is what is behind this bill. Make tal commitment for day care for chil- conference committee, and what comes no mistake, those are some of the of- dren, cutting even the existing pro- out? The billionaire’s tax loophole; fensive aspects of this bill. They will gram for day care for children of work- cuts in Medicare for our seniors and raise the funds on senior citizens who ing families, and then, wonderfully, the billionaire’s tax loophole that will are poor to qualify for Medicaid and eliminating the regulations that pro- take hundreds of millions, billions of put a lien on their homes, take their vide health and safety protection for dollars out of the Federal Treasury to homes away from them. those children. I was here when Senator DODD and benefit a handful of individuals, and That is what is in this bill. Just a few Senator HATCH worked out that pro- you want us to just go behind the words change, just a few sentences gram, with President Bush. It was so screen—‘‘We’re for the balanced budget change. That is what is in their bill. interesting. We had strong require- and you’re not.’’ No wonder the seniors are frightened. Let us look at what this budget is. ments for protecting children in the We hear from the other side, ‘‘Don’t You are increasing the taxes on those bill that came out of our Human Re- frighten our senior citizens.’’ They individuals who are making less than sources Committee. Those strong re- ought to know what is in here. That is $35,000, and a giveaway to the billion- quirements that had been worked out the kind of assault on senior citizens aires. That is in here—charging our over a long period of time, in terms of that is unwarranted and unjustified senior citizens, elderly people who are making sure those children are going and you do not have to balance this unsure, wondering whether their to be protected in child care, were wa- budget on the backs of the senior citi- health care coverage is really going to tered down but still maintained the es- zens. You do not have to. be there, wondering about all these sential protections for children. That statements that are being made about You are frightening the whole frame- was agreed to in a bipartisan way and Social Security and seeing their cost- work of retirement and security of our passed. of-living adjustment eaten up next senior citizens. That is what you are Four weeks later, I offered the same year by the premiums that will be ad- doing. bill with the same standards to be ap- vanced under this proposal; cutting After a recognition over a long period plicable to the military, 94 to 6—94 to back on Social Security, cutting back of time and after Medicare being 6. We did not hear any question then on the Medicare protections, cutting passed in the mid-1960’s, a recognition about too much regulation, too much back on veterans’ protections, moving that our elderly people earn less in protection for the sons and daughters many of our senior citizens out of the their later years and health care needs of those who are in the military. No, fee for service where they know their go up more in their later years, that we went ahead and did it. doctors into these plan programs. was true then, it is true now. That may And now, if any Member of this body This is a beauty, Mr. President. This be an old idea, but I daresay it is still goes and visits a child care center on a is an absolute beauty. Under the cur- a fundamental value for our society. military base in this country and com- rent law, we prohibit double billing. I would like to see those who want to pares it outside, they are going to find What is double billing? Double billing offer and have the guts to offer an that the ones serving the sons and says if the repayment is going to be a amendment to repeal either the Social daughters of our servicemen and certain number of dollars under Medi- Security or Medicare, even though we women are first rate, and those that care, that is what the doctor will take listened to the two leaders talk about are outside do not come up to par. for that particular procedure, paid in their historic role in opposition to the What is going to happen with the full. Medicare programs and how they are changes in this legislation is you are But you just look, there are a couple hopeful that it will ‘‘wither on the going to find a deterioration in the pro- of lines in this Republican budget that vine.’’ Then people say, ‘‘Well, you tection of children. I cannot wait to says, ‘‘That isn’t going to be the way it shouldn’t scare our senior citizens.’’ hear the first speech from some of is anymore. That isn’t the way it is Well, you have had the two Republican those who have been indifferent to this going to be anymore, Mr. Senior Citi- leaders that have taken such pride in problem say, ‘‘Look, that whole pro- zen,’’ who has worked so hard to build the achievement of this budget and gram that is supported by the Federal this country and make it the great have made that kind of commitment Government is a disaster.’’ That is country it is. That is not the way it is and statement. Of course, they ought what is going to happen, and then there going to be anymore. Those doctors to know about it. will be pressure to cut that back and can charge you in addition—in addi- Mr. President, there is one other area give more tax breaks to the very tion. We have 70 percent of the seniors which I will talk about. You talk about wealthy. S 17454 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 Mr. President, I can look at the by doing that we would be able to allow dealing with adversity. He was elected American worker today, as has been them to keep a little bit more of their President to lead the Nation through pointed out, and see how their real in- own money in the form of a tax cut. some of the darkest hours. The Civil come has been going down, down, I hear my colleagues on the other War had divided the country, pitting down, over a period of time. What they side saying how people do not have the neighbor against neighbor, brother have done is put something away in money to spend anymore in this coun- against brother. Yet, he found a way terms of savings in their pensions, and try. Well, that follows 30 years of then to use the power of the Presidency then out of the Finance Committee Democratic programs—but, more im- to inspire the people—not with the came this ability for corporate raiders portantly, 30 years of Democratic tax harsh rhetoric of hate, but with a vi- to raid pension funds, those pension hikes that have taken that money from sion that something better lay ahead. funds paid in by the employees who our families and sent it to Washington. His words gave people hope to continue sacrificed an increase in their wages, Really, what kind of deal has been fighting for what they believed so their health benefits so that they talked about on the floor here this strongly was right. would have a secure retirement, and so morning? What kind of deal are the So you know Abraham Lincoln was we brought that up here on the floor of Democrats and the White House talk- speaking from the heart, and drawing the U.S. Senate, a bipartisan amend- ing about? Let me put some of this in on the experiences of his own life, when ment, Senator KASSEBAUM and myself, perspective. Our budget plan talks he said, ‘‘Nearly all men can stand ad- and others—and Senator MOYNIHAN has about spending $12 trillion over the versity * * * but if you want to test a been a leader in this area—and we next 7 years. The White House and the man’s character, give him power.’’ passed it 94–5, to prohibit the corporate liberal leadership of the Democrats in I am not one who is quick to edit the raiders from plundering the pension the Senate and House want to spend words of a President that I admire very funds. They could not even get the door about $12.5 trillion, at a minimum. much, but after nearly a year service closed over there in that conference, Some are willing to work out any kind in this Chamber, and especially after and they came right on back and of agreement today so that we can go the antics we have been subjected to opened it up again. home and have a long weekend. over the last month, I think Abraham So every worker ought to understand How are we going to tell our tax- Lincoln’s words would ring equally that this is a threat to their own secu- payers that we are willing to spend an- true if you changed them slightly to rity. Why? Because, again, it is the tax other $500 billion of their money, col- read this way: ‘‘Nearly all men can breaks, the $240 billion tax breaks. So, lapse on this very important issue, so stand adversity* * * but if you want to Mr. President, these are some of the that can have a long weekend? How do test a man’s character, take away his items that are troublesome to many of we tell the taxpayers that? power.’’ us. We can work out in a way to try Our budget increases spending on all Nearly every Republican here knows and deal with some corporate welfare these programs. Our spending goes up how tough it is to have that power and some of the unreasonable increases every year. If you listen to those on taken away and be forced to serve in in terms of our defense and in tighten- the other side of the aisle, it is like we the minority. Many colleagues on this ing belts on many of the different pro- are gutting everything that this coun- side of the aisle have been in the ma- grams. I have cosponsored those with try has stood for, that somehow this jority only to be shifted to the minor- Senator MCCAIN and others. country is going to collapse if we save ity after the 1986 elections. It is tough, We can get to a balanced budget, but 5 percent over the next 7 years. By the it is an adjustment, and it is not a lot not when you are going to have that way, we are only about 1 percent apart of fun. But this year it has led to a lot kind of cut and slice on working fami- on the Medicare, compared to the of irresponsible politicking, and it has lies, parents and their children. That is President’s proposal and ours. In your all been at the expense of truth and not what the 1994 election was about, own budgets, if you are making a dol- substantive debate. and the 1996 election will be about it. I lar and they say you can have 99 cents, Mr. President, what would you do if thank the Chair. not a dollar, are you going to say, ‘‘I you were walking along and stepped The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- am going to collapse’’? We cannot save into a pool of quicksand, and before ator from Minnesota. that 1 percent? you knew it, you were up to your f Our budget increases spending on waist, sinking quickly? At first, you Medicare 64 percent, from $174 billion would begin to do a lot of shouting, THE PROMISES OF POWER this year to nearly $289 billion in the like we hear from the other side. You Mr. GRAMS. Mr. President, it is year 2002—per capita. Everybody that probably would not care too much funny, I hear a lot of talk this morning will be on Medicare will be going from about what you were saying, as long as on the floor about compromising with about $4,800 a year to $6,700 per person you said it loudly and were attracting the President on our budget. I say it is a year. That is not a cut. That is not a a lot of attention. It did not stop the funny because he has not officially collapse. That is not solving all the sinking sensation, of course, but at even received it yet. He says he is problems or changing the way we do least you felt like you were doing going to veto it. But I say, let us give business here in Washington. My col- something. him the opportunity to do that. Let us leagues on the other side want to just Finally, a political consultant hap- give him the chance to veto this budg- throw more money at it and take more pens to come along—how convenient. et. Let him look in that camera and from the taxpayers and let Washington They are brilliant at putting the right into the eyes of the American people spend more. Should we agree to more ‘‘spin’’ on things. Maybe they will fig- and tell them he does not want this of the same—programs that have ure a way out for you. ‘‘How convinc- balanced budget, he does not think failed—just to give them more money ingly can you say ‘the Republicans are Americans deserve it and, what is to spend? cutting Medicare and putting senior more, he does not think they should Where do we get all this money? The citizens at grave risk?’ ’’ asks the con- have a tax cut to go along with it, and Government does not produce any reve- sultant. Well, you are willing to try that money really belongs to Washing- nues. It only can collect them and dis- anything at this point, since the only ton to spend. pense them. I am fighting for some- attention your shouting has gotten you I might just be a lowly freshman thing that is fair; I am fighting for the so far were the services of a political from Minnesota in this body, a plebe by taxpayers. consultant. the standards of some of the more sen- I have been listening to the state- So you shout it—forget that it is not ior Members. But I know why I am ments on the floor all morning, and even close to the truth, and that you here: Because I told the people of Min- also reading some of the comments in do not even really believe what you are nesota if they would elect me, I would the newspaper following last night’s saying, but you are fighting for your come here and I would work to balance real historic vote on our balanced life here. Anything goes. the budget, to reduce the size and the budget legislation. I found myself then I just heard the Senator from Massa- scope of this bloated bureaucracy that thinking about Abraham Lincoln. This chusetts say, ‘‘It will all depend on we call the Federal Government; and was a man who knew something about 1996. This will lead to the election of November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17455 1996.’’ Republicans have an eye on an hearing today. If my colleagues are have. I suppose one could say that election, too, but it was the 1994 elec- seeing the truth, and it look like poi- most everything has been said. Perhaps tion. We are trying to do what the tax- son to them, they need to take a hard it has not been said by everyone, so it payers, the American voters, sent us look at just who they are representing will go on. And it should. here to do, while the Democrats are because they are not representing the We are talking, of course, about a dif- looking to 1996 and trying to put up people who are calling my office. ficult decision. I think the Senator who some kind of a hope of regaining this They have lost the power, and it is is presiding now said we are trustees Chamber. scaring them silly, and as they grasp here for the American people. That is Pretty soon, this quicksand reaches for the last vine, look what it’s done to really what we are—trustees. up to your chin. ‘‘Any more brilliant them. We are faced with one of the most ideas?’’ you ask the consultant. ‘‘How Mr. President, yesterday we passed difficult decisions that has ever been about shouting louder this time that what I believe will become the defining made here, and that is taking a fun- the Republicans are hurting children piece of legislation of the 104th Con- damentally different course with the and the poor. That has always worked gress. Federal Government than we have had before for me.’’ You roll your eyes, but For the first time in a quarter cen- for the past 30 years. you are getting more desperate, and so tury, we have balanced the budget, and We talk a lot about the cuts. Our you start yelling for all that you are we are doing it for our children and our friends talk a lot about the cuts. Let worth that the Republicans in Congress future. me share a couple of things with you. are hurting children and hurting the We are cutting taxes for working Social Security spending will increase poor. class families. each and every year from $336 billion in Of course, it is getting harder to Of course the Democrats say, ‘‘Not 1995 to $482 billion in 7 years, a 44-per- shout because the quicksand is brush- this balanced budget. We want a bal- cent increase. ing up to the corners of your mouth. anced budget.’’ The President, in a 5- Mandatory Medicare spending will Still, nobody is paying attention. minute speech the other day said it 16 increase in each and every year from ‘‘All right, the old tricks are not times, ‘‘We want a balanced budget, $178 to $289 billion, a 62-percent in- working anymore, so it is time for des- but give us more money to do it.’’ crease in 7 years. perate measures,’’ says the consultant. We are giving welfare recipients the Medicaid spending will increase each ‘‘I guess I am going to have to throw opportunity to lift themselves out of a and every year from $89 to $122 billion, you this vine, but you have to keep life of dependency and into society. We a 37-percent increase. shouting while I get it over to you.’’ are preserving and strengthening the Mr. President, what we are seeking He tosses you the vine, and with your Medicare system for this generation to do is to preserve these kinds of pro- last breath, you scream, ‘‘I want a bal- and the next. We are doing all of this grams that we all believe in—health anced budget—just not this one.’’ because we believe we must. care programs for the elderly, health With a final ‘‘glug,’’ you sink out of As Abraham Lincoln warned, our care programs for the poor. In order to sight. character has indeed been tested by the preserve them, you have to have some The political consultant would shake power with which this Congress has kind of control on expenditures. Medi- his head and say, ‘‘Gee,’’ as he heads been entrusted—entrusted to us by peo- care expenditures have gone up three off searching for his next victim, ‘‘even ple like Duane Bonneman who just sent times as fast as inflation, twice as fast I could have told you people were not me this fax here this morning, and let as health care in general. gullible enough to swallow that line.’’ me read it quickly. So we can do some things about that ‘‘We want a balanced budget, just not He said in the fax, ‘‘You are in dif- and I am pleased, frankly, to hear our this one. We want a balanced budget, ficult days. Be strong. Be courageous. friends on the other side say that they but we want to spend more money in Never give up. The prevention of the are interested in cooperating in seek- order to balance the budget. We want worst economic disaster in world his- ing a balanced budget. Frankly, there to meet a compromise with our Repub- tory lies in your hands. Ignore the was not much evidence of that interest lican friends, but it has to be our way; media. Ignore the polls. Do what you in balancing the budget prior to today. we want to spend more.’’ need to do to get it done. But please, Most of the folks we listen to who They are talking about coming to don’t give up.’’ decry the balanced budget and now em- our senses. Ask the taxpayer if another Mr. President, I think the Democrats brace it have been here for 20 years. We $500 billion in spending is coming to must be getting the same type of phone have not balanced a budget one time in your senses. Mr. President, the opposi- calls we are. I just want to say I am 30 years. Hopefully there now is some tion is sinking in the quicksand of pub- not here to give up. commitment to it. lic opinion. Not even their high-paid Again, I say I know why I am here in I understand and I think as we listen consultants and political spin doctors the Senate. It is because the people of to these things we should all under- can put a good spin on a bad message. Minnesota sent me here to help balance stand that there are different philo- Instead of facing the financial and the budget and cut taxes. I am not sophical political points of view about moral crises that are challenging this going to do anything short of that. I how you approach it. Nation, they want to ignore it and am not willing to compromise if it There are people who genuinely be- point fingers. If you are not right, you means taking more money from aver- lieve that more Government is better, demagog it to death. age families so that some bureaucrat in more spending is better, that you If you do not have a plan of your Washington can spend it. should, indeed, extract more money own, you blast the opposition’s. If you I am willing to make sure that we into the public pot so it can be spent are not ready to do the people’s busi- have a fair and equitable budget, one that way. I happen not to agree with ness, stall them. If your own leadership that meets the needs and responsibil- that. is afraid to lead, you can resort to ities of this Nation, but not one that I think that is not the majority view. name calling and personal attacks. robs our children’s future. But it is a view and I understand that. Well, Mr. President, the more I hear I yield the floor. It is also interesting to me, my friend from my colleagues across the aisle, Mr. THOMAS. Mr. President, I ask from North Dakota and the Senator the more difficult it is to understand unanimous consent that I be allowed to from Massachusetts get up at least sev- how they can actually believe their proceed in morning business for 6 min- eral times daily and talk about how own desperate words. utes. bad things are, therefore, we need to They claim this is a dark poison over The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without help, but are not willing to change the this Capitol. Poison? It is far from it. objection, it is so ordered. programs that have made things as bad What I hear in this Chamber and in the f as they are. other body is the voice of the people. It seems to me there is a principle After years of darkness, the election CHANGING THE COURSE there. If you do not like the results of finally ushered in some light and some Mr. THOMAS. Mr. President, I have what has been happening, you ought tough and that truth is what we are been listening all day, as most of us not to continue to do the same thing. S 17456 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 You ought not to continue to do the the costs, with the possibility we are THE CONTINUING RESOLUTION same thing and expect that the results going to go broke in Medicare—we all Mr. WARNER. Mr. President, I am will be different, because likely they know that. So we can cheat. happy to follow the senior Senator So I hope, Mr. President, each of us will not. from Alaska, if he so desires. I wish to I think, too, it is interesting that we will challenge ourselves to perform speak briefly. I have had the oppor- ought to examine for a moment what it during these next few months, indeed tunity through the day, together with is we are seeking to do in this country. years, and take the tough role of lead- the distinguished acting majority lead- We are trying to provide an economy in ership. It is fairly easy to poll. It is er, and others, to join the Speaker of a private enterprise system, in a free fairly easy to have little groups that the House in reference to the continu- market economy, in a democracy, so you talk to, little focus groups, and ing resolution situation. that you and I can have jobs and earn sort of decide what is best for your po- a living for our families. That is the litical future. It is much tougher to de- I specifically addressed at that time basis of this country. cide what you think we need to do to my deepest concern, which is shared by I get a little weary, frankly, of con- be a leader. And it is uncomfortable, many, about the fate of those Govern- stant talk about greedy business men from time to time. And this is the time ment employees, those both defense and women because I do not under- when we have the opportunity to stand and nondefense, who at this time have stand where those folks think jobs up and express at least our heartfelt continuing uncertainty as to their sta- come from. Jobs come from people beliefs as to where to go. tus. willing to put capital—either theirs or Mr. President, I am just excited by I am pleased to say, Mr. President, someone else’s—and risk that capital the opportunity to do that. I think yes- that the Speaker and those present and create businesses, generally small terday’s vote was a fundamental gave me reassurances that the earlier businesses, to create jobs. That is what change and the most important vote representations by the Speaker and the makes this country work. that any of us will make for a very distinguished majority leader of the It is sort of interesting, we are spend- long time. Senate to members of the Virginia con- ing a great deal of energy, properly, in I yield the floor. gressional delegation—indeed, others— helping countries throughout the world f that Government employees, defense change their form of government to a and nondefense, will at some point in democracy, change their form of econ- RECESS time be cared for in a separate manner, omy to a free-market economy, a pri- The PRESIDING OFFICER. Under separate manner from the question of, vate-sector economy and we constantly the previous order, the Senate will now and the very important question of, the make it more and more difficult for us stand in recess until 4 p.m. today. balanced budget amendment, to which to succeed doing the very same thing. Thereupon, at 2 p.m., the Senate re- I swear my allegiance to the 7-year It is always popular to talk about the cessed until 4 p.m.; whereupon, the program. But it has to be done in a sep- rich and how the rich are getting the Senate reassembled when called to arate context. breaks. I frankly do not know as much order by the Presiding Officer [Mr. With that assurance, I hope I can about the rich, I suspect, as the Sen- GORTON]. convey, not only to the colleagues here ator from Massachusetts does or oth- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- in the Congress who have an interest ers, but I do know a little bit about ator from Mississippi. but also to those employees listening small business. I do know that it takes f and learning this, that at some point in some incentive for you to put your time this solution will be resolved, and money in there at risk. UNANIMOUS-CONSENT REQUEST— hopefully very satisfactorily. HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 123 I do know that it is awful easy to be f regulated to the extent that you say, Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I believe why should I fool with it at all? Why the distinguished Democratic leader is FURTHER CONTINUING should I create jobs, because I am over- going to be here momentarily because RESOLUTION regulated. You have to have some in- we do have some business pending. Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I ask unan- centives to cause people to do that. Mr. President, I might just describe imous consent that the Senate now We ought to take just a little time what we are going to do here momen- proceed to the consideration of House and review, I suppose, what are our tarily while we wait on the Democratic Joint Resolution 123, making in order own values, what we think has made leader to be here. We will ask for con- continuing appropriations, that the this country great, keeping in mind it sent here momentarily to proceed to joint resolution be read a third time, is indeed the greatest country in the the consideration of House Joint Reso- passed, and that the motion to recon- world. lution 123, making continuing appro- sider be laid upon the table. I had a chance, with Senator GLENN, priations in order. This is the one that The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there to go to Bosnia a while back and see passed earlier this afternoon in the objection? other countries, a chance to go to the House of Representatives having to do Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, reserv- Balkans, a chance to go to Nicaragua with Social Security, veterans, and ing the right to object, I ask unani- several years ago, and I can tell you, as Medicare offices. And we will ask that mous consent that the Senator’s re- you know, this is the greatest country we proceed to the consideration of quest be modified to include passage of in the world. We have more freedom. that. We have more things than anyone else. I understand the minority leader will the continuing appropriations with an We ought to examine what it is that be here for some comment or some ac- amendment to include the rest of the has caused us to be able to have those. tion. We will proceed to that as soon as Government agencies that are not in- It has to do with freedom, with less he arrives. But while we wait on him, cluded in this joint resolution. Government rather than more. It has does the Senator from Virginia wish to Mr. LOTT. Reserving the right to ob- to do with personal responsibility that speak? ject, Mr. President, I believe that each of us must take in a democracy. It Mr. WARNER. Mr. President, I just would be what would be considered, I has to do with compassion for the help- wish to ask for a brief period in which guess, a clean continuing spending res- less and the needy, but to help them to address the Senate following the dis- olution to put all of the Federal em- get back to help themselves. It has to tinguished Senator from Alaska, if ployees back to work and to work out do with incentives to invest so that we that might be agreeable. the resolution of the question of the can create jobs. Mr. LOTT. If we could get an agree- balanced budget of 7 years. Is that cor- So this ought to be our goal, to pre- ment when the minority leader arrives, rect? serve those personal freedoms, to help we would then go ahead and take up Mr. DASCHLE. That is correct. It is strengthen the economy so that we can this business. That would be fine. my understanding that is what this have jobs, to maintain those programs I yield the floor. resolution does as well. that do help the needy. You cannot The PRESIDING OFFICER. Who Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, then I keep them going if you do not control seeks recognition? would object to that request. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17457 The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is their for the Federal Parent Locater Serv- ican people—not the plan to devastate objection to the original request by the ices which averaged 20,000 new cases a Medicare and Medicaid to pay for tax Senator from Mississippi? day is closed. The resolution does not breaks for people who do not need Mr. DASCHLE. I object. affect that. them. Now that the reconciliation bill The PRESIDING OFFICER. There is The resolution does not address the has passed, there is even less reason for objection to both. halt in tourism in and around national a Government shutdown. The reconcili- Objection is heard. parks. Yet, on an average day, 726,000 ation bill should be sent to the Presi- f people visit national park service fa- dent for its inevitable veto so we can cilities. With parks closed down, the get on with the real negotiations. I am MEASURE PLACED ON THE CAL- public inconvenienced, business is lost hopeful that we can get to those essen- ENDAR—HOUSE JOINT RESOLU- in the surrounding communities. tial negotiations and enact such a TION 123 The resolution offered today does not budget in the not too distant future. Mr. LOTT. In light of the objection, I address the critical health care needs I yield the floor. ask unanimous consent that the joint served by the National Institutes of Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I would resolution be placed on the calendar. Health, which provide advice to doctors like to take a minute just to review The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is their and patients and the latest treatments the situation. First of all, there would objection? Without objection, it will be available for serious illnesses. No new be no shutdown of Government at all if placed on the calendar. patients are being enrolled in research the President had signed the continu- projects at the NIH Clinical Center. An f ing resolution that was sent to him average of 170 new patients per week last week, one that did include lan- MORNING BUSINESS were enrolled in these projects up until guage for a balanced budget in 7 years, the time we saw the Government shut Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I ask unan- and by allowing this continued spend- down. imous consent that there now be a pe- ing to go forward it would have opened The resolution does not allow for the riod for morning business with Sen- the Government. pursuit of new medical fraud and abuse ators permitted to speak for up to 5 Second, there is another continuing cases. On an average day, 100 calls from minutes each. resolution that has passed by a wide public sources reporting fraud and The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without margin in the House and in the Sen- abuse are normally referred to the Of- objection, it is so ordered. ate—by 60 votes in the Senate, with fice of Inspector General for further in- The distinguished minority leader is some other Senators indicating they vestigation. That has been completely recognized. really would like to vote for it. We shut down. f have that resolution ready to go to the There has been a shutdown of President, but he said no, he will not LIMITED CONTINUING RESOLUTION projects and activities of the FBI, the sign that either. Border Patrol, and other Federal law That resolution is very simple, and it Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I just enforcement agencies. This resolution did not have any of the riders that had want to take a couple of minutes to does not address that. been objected to earlier. It says we will discuss what many of us feel, that a Finally, it does not address the shut- have a balanced budget in 7 years as limited continuing resolution is not an down of the Consumer Product Safety certified by the Congressional Budget appropriate resolution of the situation Commission work. Yet, in an average Office, which is what the President had before us. week, 20,000 toys are taken off the called for in 1993, and it did allow for This resolution does not cover the shelves because they are dangerous for continuing of the spending at the lower Federal Housing Administration, and, children. yet, the shutdown of the Federal Hous- The point, Mr. President, is pretty of the House-Senate or current level ing Administration has blocked home simple. Obviously, we are concerned and even the programs that had been ownership for literally thousands each about the need to address all agencies zeroed by the Congress would be funded and every day. On an average day, the of Government, all important services. at 60 percent—more than a 50–50 split Federal Housing Administration proc- We want to ensure that we are not bal- with the President. esses 2,500 home purchases and refi- kanizing Government. Already, So that has not been sent to the nancing applications totaling $200 mil- through the House’s passage of this President yet because he indicated he lion with the mortgage loans for resolution and the refusal to pass a would not sign it. But perhaps he will moderate- and low-income working clean short-term budget, we are pitting think better of it and indicate maybe families. one agency against another. later on today or tomorrow that he This resolution would do nothing to I think we have to come to an under- would sign it, and we could send that ensure the resumption of the financing standing that Government is impor- right down, he could sign that tomor- of small businesses. On an average day, tant, and all these important services row afternoon or Monday morning and over 260 small businesses receive the ought to be funded, not just some of get the Government back to work, and SBA guaranteed financing. Thus far, them. We have been asked by the we could get on to the serious business more than $40 million in loans have House to abandon that principle and of the balanced budget that we are been delayed or forfeited as a result of provide funding for Government on a committed to, that this body voted for the shutdown. piecemeal basis. There is a regular ap- just last night and that we have been Another shutdown this resolution propriations process. Today, the Presi- working on all year. does not address—would not affect—is dent is going to sign the Treasury- Now, I think also you need to empha- the shutdown on exports this country Postal appropriations bill, and the leg- size here what was just objected to. attempts to ship each and every day. islative branch appropriations bill. The This is a short or small continuing res- On an average day over 30 export li- more appropriations bills we can send olution that will allow the opening of censes valued at over $30 million are on to the President, the less we are Social Security, veterans and Medicare approved by the Bureau of Export Ad- going to need this balkanized approach offices. Who is against that? The Sen- ministration. to a continuing resolution. ator just objected to us getting those The resolution does not address Head Let us pass a straightforward con- very important offices open and work- Start. Yet, if the shutdown continues tinuing resolution. Let us take the rid- ing on Monday morning. Surely—— much longer, 60,000 Head Start children ers off. Let us get the job done. Let us Mr. DASCHLE. Will the Senator will lose services each day, and 11,000 ensure that at some time in the not too yield? Head Start staff will do without fund- distant future we can get on with deal- Mr. LOTT. There would be no objec- ing. ing with the fundamental issue before tion to it. Let me continue, if I could, This resolution is a holiday for dead- this Congress, and that is a reconcili- and I will yield. beat dads. Those who are not living up ation bill: a comprehensive budget that We could get those offices open, and to their responsibilities as fathers do balances the budget and reflects the then perhaps there are some other not need to fear collection attempts, true values and priorities of the Amer- areas where we could pass some other S 17458 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 continuing resolution that would per- to do in my subsequent unanimous con- line before we know what the compo- haps address the concerns of the De- sent agreement, to which the Senator nents are. If the Senator will tell me fense Department. Hopefully, that will objected, was to open those offices, too. exactly what the tax cut figure will be, not be necessary because not only has How does the Senator draw the distinc- exactly what the growth assumptions the President been sent today from the tion? will be, exactly what all the cuts in en- Congress the Department of Treasury Mr. LOTT. If the President as a mat- titlements will be, exactly what we can and Postal Service appropriations bills, ter of fact has been moving to open anticipate in terms of freezes on discre- which he indicated perhaps he will these offices, certainly it makes good tionary spending, then we can probably sign, I believe, and the legislative ap- sense to me that the Congress would get some better appreciation of wheth- propriations bill, which he indicated concur and put that into law. But I er it is going to take 7 years or 8 years maybe he will sign, we also sent him a might respond to the Senator, why did or what. Seven years is fine with most very important, very large Department the President stop with these offices? of us, 5 years, 4 years might work, de- of Defense appropriations bill. If he Why did he not go further? Every one pending on the assumptions and prior- will sign that bill, then all of the De- of these things cut both ways. ities entailed. but that is not the issue. fense Department, our defense people I think it is important to note that We have to consider all the components can go back to work. the other side of the aisle has objected of the budget as we debate this issue. This is not an indication that this is to moving to this targeted continuing The real debate will begin almost im- all we should do or can do or will do. resolution. This bill would provide suf- mediately because the President will We are just saying that we would like ficient funding—until the relevant ap- be vetoing the reconciliation bill that for the Social Security offices, the vet- propriations bills are signed into law, we passed last night. So we are left erans offices and the Medicare offices or if necessary, for the remainder of now with the realization that if we are to be open. I do not think any Senator FY96—to allow HCFA to pay claims serious about doing this the right and wants to object to that. filed by Medicare contractors, the So- responsible way, we need to put the So we put it on the calendar, and we cial Security Administration to meet rhetoric aside and get down to making will have a chance, I am sure, to vote its administrative expenses, and the some very tough decisions about on it at some subsequent point. If I Department of Veterans Affairs to whether we can do all that everybody could just make one more point, and process and disburse veterans com- says they want to do in 7 years. We bet- then I will yield to the Senator’s re- pensation, pensions, and dependency ter start negotiating for real on that sponse, if he feels so inclined. and indemnity compensation pay- reconciliation bill. That is the issue. What is really at stake here? There is ments. The minority leader points out The continuing resolution debate a continuing effort by the President to that the President has sent an Execu- ought to be behind us because that get a continuing spending resolution. tive order sending many of these work- really should not going be the issue The President wants more spending ers back to work; however, it is impor- any longer. available to him. What we are trying to tant to note that the President’s Exec- The issue is, can we seriously debate get is a commitment to the balanced utive order does not provide funding our goals in reconciliation. If we can do budget in 7 years with honest numbers. for these employees. This, I believe, is that, if we can sit down in a bipartisan That is all we are trying to accomplish. a very important distinction. way, then I believe we can accomplish Now, discussions continue, are under- I think what we need to do is quit ar- our task. But the longer we debate this way. There have been conversations guing about what should be open and continuing resolution, the longer we today across the aisle with both sides what should not be open, get an agree- decide we have yet another iteration, of the Congress and with the White ment to do that, and get a commit- another alternative, another way to House. I am hopeful that something ment to a 7-year balanced budget with play political games with a document could be worked out where the Presi- honest numbers. That is what really is that ought to fund Government for dent can agree to the 7-year balanced at stake, and we are hopefully very whatever length of time it is going to budget as certified by the Congres- close. take to get the real job done, the less sional Budget Office so we can make The leader, I believe, has had indica- the real job is a real possibility. sure the numbers are allowed, and tions by many Members on his side So I hope that we could both agree to maybe that will happen. There are a they want a 7-year balanced budget. that. I will agree with what the Sen- number of ways that we can continue The ranking member on the Budget ator said about the ongoing effort to to work together and get the Govern- Committee in the House indicated that try to resolve this matter. ment open. Certainly we should get he supports that. I think there is grow- I must really commend him and Sen- these very important offices open on ing support in the Congress to get that ator DOMENICI, the distinguished Sen- Monday. The House has already voted commitment agreed to, go with honest ator from New Mexico, the chair of the that way. numbers and pass a continuing resolu- Budget Committee, and others who I would be glad to yield to the leader. tion that will allow the spending to have been working diligently all day Mr. DASCHLE. I thank my friend for continue while we get a way to control long in an effort to find some resolu- yielding. I would just ask the distin- the budget that has been out of control tion. I think we are very close on our guished Senator from Mississippi, my for 30 years. side. I wish I could say the same for friend, whether he is aware that the Mr. DASCHLE addressed the Chair. those on the other side. But I do com- President has already made an an- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The dis- mend them for their work and their ef- nouncement that all of those people tinguished Democratic leader. fort. I know it is still ongoing. And I will be going back to work on Monday, Mr. DASCHLE. Let me just respond, hope, even though the odds seem to be making the resolution as he has pro- and I know others seek the floor, so I diminishing, I hope at some point, even posed it unnecessary? will not belabor this point. This issue yet today, we could find some resolu- The second question I would ask is, is not about a 7-year balanced budget. tion. I yield the floor. why, even if he thought it was nec- The Senator from Mississippi knows it. f essary—perhaps he was not aware of This issue is about whether or not we the President’s announcement—why can make Government function while THE BALANCED BUDGET ACT would he feel the need to open the of- we debate the critical issues behind the Mr. SANTORUM. Mr. President, I fices in Social Security and other issue of a 7-year balanced budget. I wanted to take a few minutes today to branches and maintain closure of small think we could get broad-based support address a few specifics of the Balanced business offices around the country, for a 7-year balanced budget if we could Budget Act passed yesterday by this the Federal Housing Administration? also get broad-based support for what Chamber. With the time available Why would he see the need to keep the that means—what the budgetary val- today, I wanted to offer a few specific National Institutes of Health and a ues priorities defining that budget are. thoughts on the agriculture provisions number of other Federal agencies that What does it mean? What so many on contained in the conference report. I would think he would view as equally the other side seem to be arguing is As I have said on previous occasions important, closed down? What I tried that we have to come to the bottom during this debate, the balanced budget November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17459 measure we approved yesterday is a Unfortunately, this provision was TED STEVENS: A HEARTFELT historic moment. I feel strongly that ruled out of order under the Byrd rule, BIRTHDAY WISH this is among the most important while other provisions, such as the ex- Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, votes that I will cast here, and I am tension of lease and transfer of quota, today is an especially happy day for proud that this Congress has the cour- were allowed to be part of final legisla- Alaskans, as we join in wishing our age and conviction to enact a plan to tive package on peanuts. senior Senator TED STEVENS a happy achieve a true balanced budget. 72d birthday, (November 18.) TED, in his This is a good plan, and in my esti- My other objective today is to point out the inconsistency in terms of how 27th year in the Senate, has set an ex- mation, it is a very fair plan; but it is ample for how all of us should fight the Byrd rule was applied against my not entirely a perfect plan. An area, for tirelessly for our home States, while provisions to reform the peanut pro- example, that I believe that this Con- still maintaining the wisdom to put gress has abdicated its responsibility is gram. No one can deny that the Byrd the good of the Nation first. the reforms of the peanut program that rule was applied selectively to elimi- While TED currently ranks eighth in are contained in this bill. nate certain provisions, while other the Senate in overall seniority, third My desire to reform programs such as items, such as lease and transfer provi- among Republicans, and is just one of peanuts and sugar is certainly well sions were allowed to be attached to 109 Senators who have served in the known among my colleagues. It is my the budget reconciliation bill. Through body for 24 or more years—out of 1,815 view that we must curb these subsidies procedural maneuvers to protect the members since 1789, he still can be for farmers and investors and bring peanut program from a floor vote, the found meeting every Alaskan Close-Up these programs into line with other, Congress has effectively chosen to student group or talking with residents more market oriented agricultural heavily subsidize a few thousand pea- about health concerns. commodities. As a member of the Sen- nut quota holders at the expense of His encyclopedic knowledge of Fed- ate Agriculture Committee, I have millions of consumers. eral-Alaska State relations is legend- been fighting for reforms in both of ary in Washington. In the Senate, these programs. I assure my colleagues The peanut provisions contained in which has lost much of its institu- that the provisions in this bill are not the bill serve to protect the status quo, tional memory, TED is able to offer in- true reform. while consumers have to pay even more sights on everything from passage of The peanut industry is in a state of for peanuts because the Secretary of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline Act, to the serious decline. Consumption and pro- Agriculture will be forced to short the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act, duction are falling as a direct result of market. In fact, it is estimated that from passage of the Magnuson Fish- a failed Government policy that exces- the proposed modifications will effec- eries Conservation Act to the Alaska sively inflates the price of U.S. peanuts tively increase the cost of peanuts by Lands Act. to almost twice the world price. It is as much as $100 per ton. Budget rec- His recollection of events is so ex- my goal to make the peanut program onciliation provisions that increase the traordinary not only because he helped operate like other farm programs so cost of peanut products at a time when draft the Alaska Statehood Act while peanut farmers will grow peanuts for the peanut industry is already losing serving at the Department of Interior the market, and not for the Federal market share are simply bad public during the Eisenhower administration, Government. Under the current peanut policy. but because he has had a hand in vir- program, artificially high-priced pea- tually every Federal issue affecting I am disappointed in my colleagues’ nuts simply end up being forfeited to Alaska over the past three decades. use of the legislative process to hide the Federal Government. While TED served 8 years as assistant The peanut provisions contained in the peanut program from the light of Republican leader, whip, handling key the budget reconciliation bill not only public scrutiny. Working to deny floor national issues, especially defense mat- fail to reform the peanut quota system, consideration of peanut program re- ters, he is respected as a fierce defender but make a bad program worse by forc- form has extended the life of this out- of Alaska interests. He especially has ing the Secretary of Agriculture to fur- rageous program for a while longer. Ul- been willing to put aside personal am- ther shrink national production to timately, I am afraid that the provi- bition for the good of his State. avoid Government forfeitures. sions in this bill do a disservice to sup- Many forget that TED sacrificed his This summer I introduced S. 1188, a porters of the program by further pre- seniority on the Commerce Committee bill that provides for a phasedown of tending that there is no crisis in the to move to the Energy and Natural Re- the excessive support price for quota peanut industry. sources Committee during the key peanuts in order to move the program In stark contrast, some of the re- fight over the Alaska Land Act. He toward a market orientation. In year forms that I have proposed would ex- then moved back to Commerce to rep- 2000, my bill would end the quota sys- resent Alaska fisherman—prove posi- pand national production by allowing tem and replace it with a loan pro- tive that TED always puts Alaska first. American peanut growers to produce gram, much like the program we have It is only justice that he is today chair- for the market rather than the govern- for soybeans. man of the Committee on Govern- ment. Real reform of the peanut pro- The Agriculture Committee, how- mental Affairs—the panel upon which ever, chose to include the general com- gram will not only benefit this Na- he has labored for years to the great modity programs in the budget rec- tion’s consumers, but will help avoid benefit of Alaskans. onciliation bill rather than have a farm the loss of manufacturing an jobs in Certainly no Alaskan has done more bill fully debated on the Senate floor. my home State of Pennsylvania. during his career then TED STEVENS. A At the time of Agriculture Committee As a Representative of Pennsylvania, Harvard Law School graduate, an Air deliberations, I agreed not to oppose one of the largest states in terms of the Force veteran who saw service in China the package of peanut provision for in- number of employees related to peanut during WW II, the chief counsel to the clusion in budget reconciliation in re- product manufacturing, I have good U.S. Department of Interior, a member turn for some minor reforms in the reason to be deeply concerned about of the Alaska House of Representatives program. the loss of jobs that will result from who served as speaker tempore and ma- One of the chief concessions I ob- further Government imposed reduc- jority leader, and U.S. Senator. TED tained in the Agriculture Committee tions in U.S. peanut production. STEVENS is a model of public service to reported bill, was a new provision for his State and Nation and an inspira- the release of additional peanuts when Mr. President, it is critical that we tion for all of us. market prices for domestic edible pea- have an opportunity to vote for reform I, join with all Alaskans, to thank nuts exceeded 120 percent of the quota of the peanut program on the Senate him for his skill, drive, and dedication loan rate. This provision would have floor. Consideration of the peanut pro- during his years in Washington and placed some cap on the price of peanuts gram to date has been nothing short of offer him a heartfelt good wish for when the Government creates an artifi- denying public scrutiny of an unfair many, many more years of service to cial shortage. and outdated Government program. the State and Nation. Nancy joins me S 17460 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 in congratulations to both TED, Cath- the Senate a broad overview of the evo- happening here with regard to this erine, and daughter Lilly. It’s been lution of parliamentary government in funding gap, as it is called in Govern- great fun and a true privilege working England and how evolution influenced ment circles. I find there have been 15 with you my friend. our Founding Fathers in shaping this such funding gaps in a 19-year period f Government. since 1977. One went 17 days. And I am Mr. President, I could go on and on becoming disturbed because of the two HAPPY BIRTHDAY SENATOR about Senator BYRD’s history lessons. functions I perform here in the Senate. ROBERT BYRD But what I want to do is suggest that One is chairman of the Governmental Mr. MURKOWSKI. Mr. President, if when future historians are writing Affairs Committee with regard to the the Republican leadership is successful about the 20th century Senate, Senator general civil service and Government in negotiating an agreement with the ROBERT BYRD will surely be remem- employees, per se; and the other is per- President on a continuing resolution, bered as one of the giants who followed taining to the Department of Defense. it appears that the Senate may not be in the footsteps of Henry Clay and Dan- At this time I want to speak pri- in session on Monday, November 20. iel Webster. marily on the Department of Defense. For that reason, today I would like In particular, I believe Senator BYRD If we are in session later today I do in- to take a moment and wish the distin- should be commended for his passion- tend to speak about Government em- guished senior Senator from West Vir- ate defense of the rights of the minor- ployees per se, because I think there is ginia, Senator ROBERT BYRD, an ad- ity in this body and to unlimited de- a strong feeling building here, for some vance Happy Birthday. On Monday, bate. Many Americans are often frus- reason, that those people who have Senator BYRD will celebrate his 78th trated with the slowness of the pace of been declared nonessential and are not birthday. the Senate. But Senator BYRD rightly reporting for work are somehow at Mr. President, the public often views notes that in permitting unlimited de- fault in this, and they are not going to the Senate engaging in bitter partisan bate, the Senate stands as a bulwark be paid when we finally reach a conclu- debate. Yes, we Republicans have our against tyranny and the passion of the sion, which we must reach at some differences with the Democrats. But moment. point. when the debates are over, and the We all owe a debt of gratitude to Sen- But, Mr. President, I want to talk votes have been cast, the public would ator BYRD for his wisdom. I wish him a now about the Department of Defense be surprised to learn that we put aside very happy birthday this coming Mon- bill because I had urged that bill be our party labels and share friendships. day and my sincere regards to his love- held up and not sent to the President And so, the Republican Senator ly wife Erma. because I did not want it caught in this would like to reflect on the brilliant f current, very deep controversy. But it career of Senator BYRD. He has spent has now been sent to the President for more than half of his life serving the ORDER FOR RECESS SUBJECT TO his signature. people of West Virginia in the Con- THE CALL OF THE CHAIR There is every indication the Presi- gress. Six years in the House and 37 Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I ask unan- dent will veto that bill, for several rea- years in the Senate. sons. He, of course, has the prerogative This year, he cast a record 14,000th imous consent that following the re- to reach the conclusion that he has vote; and just 3 weeks ago, on October marks of Senators STEVENS, EXON, reached with regard to the funding lev- 27, when the Senate set a 1-day record WARNER, and CRAIG, the Senate stand els in our defense bill. I am here right of 39 votes, it was Senator BYRD who in recess subject to the call of the now to urge the Department of Defense offered the 35th amendment that broke Chair. to confer with the President and do the record. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there But it is not just longevity that will objection? their utmost to get this bill signed. As provide Senator BYRD historical stat- Without objection, it is so ordered. I noted during the debate here on the ute in the Senate. It is his record of Mr. LOTT. I yield the floor. floor of the Senate on that bill, this is service. He has served as majority whip Mr. STEVENS addressed the Chair. a bill that I think is of immediate con- as well as majority and minority lead- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- cern to the Department of Defense and er. And he has served as President pro ator from Alaska. one that I believe the President must tempore and chairman of the Appro- Mr. STEVENS. Before the acting sign. priations Committee. leader retires, I hope that we can agree If he does not sign it, under the cur- What is even more remarkable is the to take off this 5-minute limitation on rent hiatus in terms of this funding, we Senator’s in-depth scholarly knowledge comment to be made at this time in are going to be in real difficulty. Today of history. Our distinguished Repub- morning business. It is my understand- 300,000 civilian employees in the De- lican leader, Senator DOLE, has often ing that the time limit is 5 minutes for partment of Defense have been fur- commented that students ought to re- each Member; is that correct? loughed. The Department of Defense ceive college history credit simply by The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- depots, supply centers, training ranges, listening to the speeches of Senator ator is correct, at this point. and people who are currently on route BYRD. Mr. STEVENS. Well, I have a longer in personal moves have been stopped. Over a period of several years, Sen- statement I would like to make con- They can no longer spend money. ator BYRD stood on the floor of the cerning the defense bill and this hiatus Now, we have U.S. troops deployed Senate and provided an oral history of of funds. I would like to ask that that abroad. I spoke at length on the floor this institution. These speeches ulti- time be extended somewhat. the other night about that also. And mately were printed in two bound vol- Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, could I in- 240,000 or more American citizens are umes and provide the best overview quire, how long does the—— deployed abroad as members of our and understanding of the evolution of Mr. STEVENS. Ten minutes for each armed services. They are in Macedonia, this 206 year old institution. one would be sufficient, in my judg- Haiti, Cuba, Southwest Asia, all over In 1993, Senator BYRD went to the ment. the world, and there are many afloat. floor on 14 separate occasions to speak Mr. LOTT. I modify my request and We cannot afford any further interrup- on the history of the Roman Senate. ask unanimous consent that each Sen- tion in defense fundings and programs These discourses were not designed ator would be given 10 minutes. if we are to maintain our responsibil- solely for history students. Instead, The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without ities throughout the world as the they were intended to provide all of us objection, it is so ordered. world’s last superpower. with a perspective on the roots of Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, I I think this would be a sad time for American government and the extraor- thank the distinguished acting leader. Saddam Hussein or the North Koreans dinary importance of maintaining un- f to misunderstand the will of the United fettered congressional control over the States to provide the people and the power of the purpose. THE FUNDING GAP material and money to fund the com- On one occasion, Senator BYRD spoke Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, I have mitments we have made throughout for 6 hours on the floor and provided been researching today also what is the world. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17461 As I said, I believe the President With regard to overseas operations, the United States. They deserve to be must sign this bill in the interests of Mr. President, we have many people paid and paid when their money is due. our national security. We have a very out there in many dangerous jobs in Thank you, Mr. President. strange situation facing the Depart- counternarcotics operations, from Mr. WARNER addressed the Chair. ment of Defense right now. Remember, those flying the so-called cap, the over- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- there is no defense bill until he signs sight function in Iraq, the no-fly zone ator from Virginia. it. If he vetoes it, there is still no de- in Bosnia, the naval blockade in the Mr. WARNER. Mr. President, I pose a fense bill. There should have been a Adriatic, all of the work we are doing question to my distinguished colleague new defense bill on October 1. We were in Cuba, all of the containment oper- on my time. Senator STEVENS and I prepared to go to a defense bill, but we ations on North Korea. All of them—all have met this afternoon on these ques- have been held up by an extraneous of them—are at risk if this bill is not tions. issue for a long period of time this signed. First, I wish to join the Senator in year. Now, I urge the President to sign this the amendment, as we discussed ear- But today the Department of Defense bill, but in any event I urge the Senate lier, to such measures that may be responded as follows: With regard to ci- and the House to recognize the problem coming through here which can hope- vilian payroll, there are 780,000 workers if he does not. If the President does not fully forestall this very serious list of that must be paid by November 24. meet his responsibility, that does not DOD activities that would be curtailed There are no funds to make that pay- mean that I am going to shirk mine. I as a consequence of the current funding roll. On the military payroll, there are intend to object to the passage of this problems. 1,600,000 people who must be paid by resolution unless it is amended to But I address the first one to the November 28. There are no funds to cover the Department of Defense. And Senator. We discussed that DOD, which make that payroll. furthermore, I intend to find some way faces a civilian payroll of 780,000 work- Many people believe that the food to get before the Senate a resolution ers that must be processed on Novem- and forage concept will allow the De- which will, in fact, cover the full spec- ber 24, currently has no cash and like- partment of Defense to meet those ob- trum of the problem that exists now. wise the military payroll of 1.6 million ligations. That is not true. The food We are coming close now to the currently has no cash. I hope that the Secretary of Defense and forage statute, which is an ancient record as far as the time that we will will learn now, if he does not already statute, gives the Department the au- have people furloughed, sent home, know, about these problems and will thority to write IOU’s for food for peo- people that want to work, and then immediately contact the Senator from ple in the field. It does not impact pay- later we will pay them. Now that is an- Alaska this afternoon, because this roll. There will be no money to meet other matter I want to cover. I have message that the Senator from Alaska the payroll under food and forage. had several Members of the Senate tell me, ‘‘Well, this time we’re not going to sends this afternoon, and in which I As I stated, with regard to the trans- pay them.’’ Never in the history of the join, is going to cause incredible alarm portation of troops, there are troops in United States have we failed to pay the not only in the United States but in training centers that cannot return to workers who have been sent home be- our farflung military installations their units. There are people en route cause of any hiatus in the availability where our troops are serving through- home for the holidays that will not be of cash to pay them for their jobs. out the world. able to return. There are no funds Furthermore, Mr. President, we hire I think this requires immediate re- available for discretionary travel. All people by the year. Most employees of sponse from the Secretary of Defense. I fuel—all fuel—for Department of De- the Federal Government are hired congratulate my distinguished col- fense expenditure will expire on No- under contract for a full year. Their league for bringing that up. vember 24. salaries are stated by the year. There Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, I For vehicles, aircraft, and ships, they are very few that are under hourly or thank my friend from Virginia. I might are procured through the defense logis- under temporary hiring contracts, say, I have conferred with the Sec- tics agency, and we are informed that which are short of that. retary in the past. I believe he shares that agency will have no cash to pro- It is my position that the failure of the opinion that the bill could be cure fuel after November 24. The mili- the Congress and the President to come signed. I cannot speak for him. But it tary services will have to draw down together to make available the funds is my opinion that if the President de- from existing supplies at bases or at does not amount to a cancellation of cided he did not like the level of fund- sea, if necessary, in an emergency. And that contract. If it does, I think they ing, he could send up rescissions to the I assume they will be reserved for could all sue us for breach of contract. Congress. emergencies. I heard today both in Maryland and But again, that is all within the pre- With regard to spare parts, we get in Colorado, Federal civilian employees rogative of the President. I think we spare parts under the defense business are going to the State unemployment have our prerogatives, too. I have operations fund. That fund also is in office to get money to live. I do not reached the determination we must do the situation where it is critical al- know about the rest of the Members of everything we can to see to it that this ready. There is money in the bill that the Senate, but raising five children funding continues in some way. If the was presented to the President. If it is since I have been here, I have seen President exercises his right to veto not there, there is going to be a critical many days, I tell you, if my paycheck this bill, then we still have the duty to situation with regard to our stockpile had been interrupted, there would have come forward with another bill. I re- of spare parts worldwide. been severe trouble in my financial cir- member one time when the Congress For those people who have States cumstance. People have car payments sent to one President about 21 different that are involved in the industrial pro- due, they have rent payments due, they bills in the process of about a week try- duction—my State is not—but just re- have all sorts of problems that have to ing to solve this problem. Today, we member that all procurement is sub- be met. are holding them up. I do not criticize ject to appropriated funds. If this bill is Mr. President, they cannot exist the leadership for that, but we have a vetoed and there is no continuing reso- without this money. It is our job to bill still here that we can amend and lution covering defense, all of those stay in session until we get the job try to find a common ground with the contracts for production and procure- done. I am going to object to an ad- President. ment will have to cease because the in- journment resolution. I am going to The main thing is, in my opinion, the spector generals will have to notify all object to any recess. I want the Senate Nation’s security is at jeopardy if we of those contractors that the Depart- to stay in session until we find a way do not pay these people. The Nation’s ment of Defense cannot meet the pay- to pay the people we have hired to do security is at jeopardy if we are going roll, cannot pay those contracts be- the work that we consider to be nec- to run out of fuel, not have flying time, cause of the clause in each of them essary. Having been temporarily deter- steaming time and the ability to move that says they are subject to available mined to be nonessential does not our forces by using fuel. funds. mean they are not still employees of I thank the Senator. S 17462 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 Mr. WARNER. Mr. President, I join chronicles the impact of a defense con- Again, we want to reassure you that if the with my distinguished colleague. He is tractor. I will read a few lines of that: President vetoes the continuing resolution chairman of the Defense Subcommittee ‘‘The Navy is unable to pay new bills and requires federal workers to be fur- of the Appropriations Committee, as from local shipyards because of the loughed, we are committed to restoring any Federal shutdown and, as a result, lost wages retroactively. the Presiding Officer knows well. This Sincerely, many yards may soon be cutting back is a subject he has dealt with in his dis- NEWT GINGRICH, tinguished career in the U.S. Senate. operations . . .’’ in the Tidewater re- Speaker of the House. When we met this afternoon to go over gion of the Commonwealth of Virginia. BOB DOLE, these items I thought it imperative we We have the largest naval base in the . Senate Majority Leader. bring it to the attention of the Senate world and a tremendous infrastructure indeed. I do not want to cause undue of contractors which support those [From the Virginian-Pilot and the Ledger- Star, Norfolk, VA, Nov. 17, 1995] alarm to 780,000 workers on the civilian naval and maritime activities. This ar- AS NAVY STOPS MAKING PAYMENTS, LOCAL payroll and 1.6 million in uniform. ticle depicts in a very colorful way, in an accurate way, the impact on the in- SHIPYARDS MAY SUFFER Please, we say, Mr. Secretary of De- (By Christopher Dinsmore) fense, take this message immediately dividual shipyard workers. The Navy is unable to pay new bills from and provide us with such response or So I close my remarks, again, by say- ing that I continue to be concerned local shipyards because of the federal shut- solution as the Secretary of Defense down and, as a result, many yards may soon and the President may have. about these employees. We will achieve this 7-year balanced budget—I am con- begin cutting back operations. I should also like to add, Mr. Presi- One small Norfolk yard has started laying fident of that—one way or another. But dent, that the contractors who do work off workers. Norshipco, the largest private in the meantime, let us not bring fur- with the Department of Defense are shipyard in South Hampton Roads, may also ther injury and further concern and have to furlough ‘‘hundreds’’ of workers soon likewise faced with the lack of funding. emotional stress on so many innocent if the shutdown isn’t resolved, shipyard ex- The Defense Contract Audit Agency ap- people who have offered to devote their ecutives said Thursday. parently is going to shut down and careers either to Federal service as ‘‘It could be a grim Christmas if this stuff thereby terminate the payment of con- public servants or those who are per- keeps up,’’ said Jerry Miller, president of Earl Industries Inc., a Portsmouth-based tractors all across America that are forming the contracts for the Federal performing defense work. ship repair firm that employs about 400 peo- Government. ple. What happens at that point? What I was heartened by the meetings I As Washington politicians hunker down for happens at that point is that there is a had with the Speaker of the House and a drawn-out budget battle that some threat- ripple effect. Their employees cannot others earlier today that there is the en could last 90 days, executives at local be paid, and with the 800,000 now in the assurance that eventually the Federal shipyards fret that the shutdown could sink Federal Government not receiving pay, employees will be justly compensated their businesses. there could be another 800,000 of those for that period in time in which they ‘‘What we’re talking about is something employees not receiving their com- that could happen if the government doesn’t were furloughed, but we cannot give get its act together,’’ said Jack L. Roper IV, pensation through the Department of that assurance, indeed, it is not the re- executive vice president of operations for Defense as a consequence of the De- sponsibility of Congress, to the em- Norshipco, which employs 2,200 full-time fense Contract Audit Agency. ployees of the contractors of the Fed- workers at its two yards in Norfolk and 600 So I join with Senator STEVENS in eral Government. Their pay remains people part-time. ‘‘There’s a lot of ifs here.’’ calling on the Secretary of Defense to uncertain. The Navy is paying pending bills that have give us a specific reply to that prob- I should also like to have printed in been processed by the Navy’s local contract- lem, because this is becoming increas- this RECORD of today a letter to the ing office, the Supervisor of Shipbuilding, Repair and Conversion in Portsmouth. Offi- Honorable TOM DAVIS, a Member of ingly serious, for a lot of innocent—and cers running that office are looking for a I underline, Mr. President, ‘‘inno- Congress from the Commonwealth of way to resume processing new bills so pay- cent’’—people who are being caught up Virginia. A similar letter went to the ments to the yards won’t be interrupted. in this controversy between the Presi- Hon. FRANK WOLF, a Member of Con- ‘‘Obviously there is national security that dent and the Congress. gress from the Commonwealth of Vir- comes into play at some point . . .,’’ said I feel ever so strongly about the need ginia. The three of us are talking, on Cmdr. David S. Hattich, the officer in charge the average, three or four times a day of contracting in the Portsmouth office. for a 7-year balanced budget. I came to ‘‘It’s not in the government’s interest to see the Senate with my distinguished col- about this problem and working to- gether. It reflects the assurance of the (the shipyards) get to the point where their league, the acting minority leader, cash flow is so impacted that they can’t per- Senator EXON, some many years ago. I leadership and the Congress, both the form.’’ have great respect for him. But I say to House and the Senate, to take care of Nearly 700 civilian workers were fur- my distinguished colleague, I think the Federal employees. loughed from the Navy’s contracting offices I ask unanimous consent that this there should be unanimity of view- in Portsmouth and Newport News. Without letter and this article from the Vir- those workers, the Navy can’t process bills points that we can achieve a balanced ginian-Pilot be printed in the RECORD. from local shipyards. budget in 7 years. That should not be a There being no objection, the mate- ‘‘At some point I presume we’ll have to subject of disagreement. I just hope rial was ordered to be printed in the bring some skeleton staff back in to work,’’ that we can, in the words of the acting Hattich said. RECORD, as follows: majority leader, use ‘‘honest’’ eco- The contracts office also won’t be award- nomic assumptions which the Senator CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, ing any new contracts for the duration of the Washington, DC, November 10, 1995. from Nebraska understands very clear- shutdown. Hon. THOMAS DAVIS, The Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Ports- ly, having served on the Budget Com- Cannon House Office Building, Washington, mouth is not being affected by the shutdown. mittee throughout his career, use that DC. Marine Hydraulics International Inc., type of data to bring about this bal- DEAR TOM: We will be sending soon to which emerged from a bankruptcy reorga- anced budget. President Clinton a bill to continue funding nization in October, was determining Thurs- So I return to the question on the De- for the federal government through Decem- day how many of its 248 employees it would ber 1, 1995. Besides providing for government fense Department and, incidentally, so have to lay off immediately, said Vice Presi- services, this bill also funds federal workers’ dent Gary Brandt. far as I can determine, the Defense salaries. The yard suspended activity on some re- Contract Audit Agency is still dealing If the President decides to veto this legis- cently negotiated, but not finalized, add-ons with 1995 fiscal year funds which are lation to keep government operating, the to its contract to repair the guided-missile available and not subject to the cur- possibility exists that some federal workers frigate Clark at its Norfolk facility, Brandt rent impasse on the budget. But if this may be furloughed. In the event that this said. MHI will continue already contracted report is true, that is very disturbing. takes place, it is our commitment that fed- work on the Clark as long as its financing eral employees will not be punished as a di- holds out, Brandt said. Further, Mr. President, I would like rect result of the President’s decision to veto The extent of the impact depends a lot on to have printed in today’s RECORD an funding for their salaries. Should this hap- how long government operations are sus- article that appeared in the Virginian- pen, we are committed to restoring any lost pended without some form of relief for the Pilot newspaper in my State which wages in a subsequent funding bill. shipyards. November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17463 ‘‘If it’s just a day or two, then it’s no big Thank you very much, my friend In fact, I was one of those that had deal,’’ Hattich said. ‘‘If it lasts 90 days like from Alaska, for saying we should stay voted for the constitutional amend- some people are saying, then we have a prob- here for however long it takes; there ment that would have been referred to lem.’’ should be no recess. I was delighted, in the States to accomplish that end. So ‘‘Thirty days is probably longer than we can stand,’’ Norshipco’s Roper said Thurs- case my colleague did not know it, that my credentials, certainly, with regard day. ‘‘I’m not sure I can guarantee my work within the hour, the House of Rep- to national defense and certainly with force can continue beyond tomorrow.’’ resentatives overwhelmingly rejected a regard to fiscal responsibility, I think, Norshipco does have some commercial move by Speaker GINGRICH to adjourn are pretty well established, and most jobs, but not nearly enough to sustain its the House of Representatives. How in people even on that side of the aisle work force, he said. the world anybody who understands would agree. Moon Engineering Co. Inc. expects it could Government—including the Speaker of I simply say that, when you throw feel the pressure in two to four weeks, said the House of Representatives, who evi- around this phrase, a 7-year balanced James Thomas, the Portsmouth shipyard’s budget—I have been for that for a long, executive vice president and general man- dently you have been in contact with ager. ‘‘I really can’t say when right now,’’ regarding the dire circumstances com- long time, as have many people on this Thomas said. ing on to the Defense Department— side of the aisle. I would like to advise ‘‘We have a lot of government receivables why in the world he would want to ad- all so that we can straighten that out— out now,’’ he said. ‘‘How soon (we’re hurt) journ the House of Representatives is all that are hearing my voice at this depends on whether they get paid.’’ beyond me. I was delighted to see that time—that as late as last night when Moon started a contract on the destroyer it was overwhelmingly rejected. I do we thought we were very near reaching Peterson three weeks ago. The cruiser Ticon- not know whether there has ever been a compromise, we had as a part of that deroga arrived at the yard Thursday for re- pairs and maintenance. a case before where a motion to ad- agreement that we would balance the ‘‘We’ve got about 250 to 300 employees here journ has been overridden on the floor. budget in 7 years. That was put up not now and we’re still working, but if push real- I do not ever remember that happen- by the President, but by Leon Panetta ly came to shove, we’re going to have to send ing, at least on this side, while I have and myself and others who were in on people home,’’ Thomas said. been here. the negotiations. So when we throw Metro Machine Corp. has the resources to I think maybe that message was sent around the term ‘‘balance the budget keep operating for now, said its president, very loud and clear to the Speaker of in 7 years,’’ not everybody, but most Richard Goldbach. ‘‘I don’t see it affecting us the House of Representatives that this people are for that. The President’s unless it lasts past a week or two,’’ he said. is no time for us to be adjourning or ‘‘We’ll worry about it then, but I think we’ll Chief of Staff was here offering to enter have the resources even then to keep operat- recessing. We have to stay here regard- into an agreement for a continuing res- ing.’’ less of how early we come in or how olution to accomplish that end. Other shipyards also could be unaffected late we work every night, to show that Now, the holdup comes with regard by the shutdown. Newport News Shipbuild- we are trying to work out the problems to how we reach that balanced budget ing doesn’t expect any impact on its work on this. I suspect and say, without in 7 years. Therein lies the grave con- force because of its financial condition, a knowing it for sure, that if the Mem- cerns. What the Republicans are say- spokeswoman said. bers on the floor of the Senate right ing, I believe, without emphasizing it, The giant Peninsula shipyard, which builds now would have their way, we could is that they want to tie the President’s aircraft carriers for the Navy and employs nearly 19,000 people, is owned by a multi-bil- probably sit down and resolve this mat- hands to a 7-year balanced budget on lion dollar conglomerate that probably has ter very, very quickly. But politics on their terms. I simply say, Mr. Presi- the financial wherewithal to sustain the both sides, unfortunately, are being dent, that I think that is wrong for lots yard’s operations. played. of reasons, and I will not be part of Colonna’s Shipyard Inc., a small Norfolk I simply say that I was so pleased that. shipyard, expects to survive on its usual diet that the House of Representatives did When you ask the question, ‘‘What is of commercial work, said Vice President not take the recommendations of their at stake here?’’—and that question is Doug Forrest. ‘‘We don’t have any Navy Speaker and adjourn. I thought it was asked by Senator LOTT—well, what is work in the yard now,’’ he said. rather interesting as I watched that at stake here is a great deal. What is at f vote, that early in the first 5 minutes stake here are basic principles of Gov- of that vote, I believe there were 87 or ernment, and most of us on this side of THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN 88 Republicans who had voted with the aisle do not agree with the way Mr. EXON. Mr. President, I want to their leader, Speaker GINGRICH, to ad- those on that side of the aisle are com- thank my friend from Alaska, my journ the House of Representatives. ing up with their numbers, setting friend from Virginia, and my friend, But before the vote was over, when the their priorities. We think they are Senator LOTT, for their remarks on the Republicans saw what was happening, mixed up. I said earlier today on the matter at hand. I understand as a sen- that 87 or 88 shrunk down to, I believe, floor of the Senate and, therefore, I ior member of the Armed Services about 32 at the end, as even the Repub- will try again at this time to keep my Committee, and I join and thank Sen- licans recognized that their leader was rhetoric within due bounds, because I ator STEVENS, Senator WARNER, and way, way off base by trying to adjourn do not believe expanded rhetoric of others for bringing up this matter. It is with the dire circumstances that face simply abuse is particularly construc- a very critical matter and we cannot our country today, including the ones tive. pass over it. So whatever help I can be brought forth and explained in great However, among other things that to you in this regard, I will be. detail by my friend from Virginia and have been overlooked about what is at I simply point out that Senator WAR- my friend from Alaska. I will be of stake here, I interpret it as being a NER and I came here together, and we whatever help I can. basic violation of constitutional prin- have served on the Armed Services Now, on the overall and underlying ciples that is at stake here. The Con- Committee ever since then. I have been matter that was addressed by Senator stitution guarantees the right of the disappointed, as he has, that we still LOTT, objected to by the minority lead- President to veto a bill passed by the have not reported out of the Armed er, I think this points up the problem Congress. The Constitution does not Services Committee the authorizing that we have today. Let me, as best I say that he has a right to veto only legislation, which customarily should can, try to explain what is being over- after consultation with Congress. The precede the appropriations that are looked in this discussion. Within the Constitution does not say that the handled so very ably, and have been for last few minutes, I have heard, I be- President, in balancing the budget, has so many years, by my colleague from lieve, the phrase ‘‘balance the budget to do it in a fashion and in a manner Alaska. You bring up a very good in 7 years’’ about 17 times. Well, Mr. that the majority of the House or Sen- point. I think that, as important as President, notwithstanding the fact ate propose. The Constitution guaran- that is, we should realize and recognize that there is some dispute as to how we tees, as a very important part of that that people in other areas are just as get there, this Senator has wanted to document—and the Framers of the surely affected adversely. That is why balance the budget in 7 years, if not Constitution, in attempting to have we have to move. sooner, for a long, long time. balance of the three equal branches of S 17464 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995

Government to try to balance the judi- GINGRICH, we could have that continu- more critical eye than we are willing ciary, executive, and the legislative, ing resolution, all of us know that all to give them credit for. gave the President that power. of these concerns that have just been I say that because it was well over 20 What the Republicans are really addressed by the Senator from Alaska years ago when another Senator from doing, Mr. President, whether they re- and others would fade. They just would Virginia put legislation through this alize it or not, is putting a gun to the not be there. body, passed by law, to balance the head of the President of the United Why can we not be reasonable? Two Federal budget within a very short pe- States, saying, ‘‘If you veto, which you other items and headlines: ‘‘Office of riod of time. That was law. That was have a right to do under the Constitu- Aging Plans Furloughs, Service Cuts,’’ Federal law, Mr. President. tion, we are going to take that away, and ‘‘21 Guard Drills Are Canceled As This Congress went by it so fast that or attempt to take it away by saying Budget Standoff Continues.’’ it was not even the blur of a stop sign. to you we are going to close down Gov- Let me read briefly from the ‘‘Office Four times following that over the last ernment if you exercise your right, Mr. of Aging Plans’’: two decades this Congress has passed President.’’ The Eastern Nebraska Office on Aging in- laws, I tell you, to balance the Federal We are going to violate the principles tends to furlough 74 of its 90 employees be- budget. Yet, of course, that never hap- of the Constitution simply by putting cause of the federal budget dispute. pened. that gun to your head and saying, ‘‘If Bob Whitmore, a spokesman for the We are now nearly $5 trillion in debt. you do that, we will close down Gov- Omaha-based agency, said the furloughs We have a $200 billion deficit. This would take effect at 5 p.m. Wednesday. . .’’ ernment because you, Mr. President, President came forward last night and can’t veto this bill or you will close All this would not be necessary and said, ‘‘Let’s set a goal. Let’s once again down Government.’’ we would not go through the silly cha- have a goal to achieve a federally bal- I think the President is standing up rade if we could have, as we have had anced budget.’’ Somehow that was wor- not only for himself but every other several times in the past, a short-term thy. President that we are going to have in continuing resolution to December 5 or I know what the American people are the years to come. If this President of December 15. saying at this moment. ‘‘Oh, no, you the United States does not stand up All this could be set aside if it were don’t, Mr. President. We don’t trust and protect the prerogatives of the not for the fact that the Republicans you nor do we trust the Congress. You President of the United States, that were trying to put that gun to the no longer have any credibility in the are guaranteed in the Constitution, if President’s head to take away the con- area of spending because you have he is going to set precedence here to stitutional right guaranteed to the shown you cannot control your appe- some time in the future with some President by saying ‘‘You are going to tites.’’ other Congress and some other Presi- do it our way or none, or we will close That is why only by 1 vote out of 535 dent, they are going to hark back and down Government.’’ votes this year, 435 votes, did we miss say ‘‘Well, the Republicans back there I hope we have an understanding be- sending out an amendment to the Con- in 1995 took away the prerogatives of tween cooler heads in the future. stitution of this country to assure the the President.’’ I yield the floor. citizens’ right to decide on whether The PRESIDING OFFICER. The time The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- they want a balanced budget or not. allotted to the Senator from Nebraska ator from Virginia has 1 minute and 21 I know what folks in my State are has expired. seconds remaining. saying right now. While they recognize Mr. EXON. Mr. President, I ask unan- Mr. WARNER. I do hope that I could the inconvenience of what we do at the imous consent since there are no other pick up on your final comments, I say moment, and while there are Federal speakers on this side of the aisle that I to my good friend—that is, cool heads. employees in my State who are fur- be allowed to continue for an addi- I hope the Senator would rephrase loughed by phone calls pouring in to all tional 3 minutes. some of his rhetoric about the gun to of my State offices and my office here, Mr. CRAIG. I will allow for another 3 the head. on a 12–1 ratio, they are saying, ‘‘Don’t minutes and then I will object. I kind of think that this matter blink. Don’t blink. It is not a goal. It is The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without needs a little cooling off in terms of no longer a concept. It is no longer an objection, it is so ordered. rhetoric, Mr. President. I know that ideal.’’ Mr. EXON. So, Mr. President, I sim- the meetings which I have attended They are saying, ‘‘Make it a reality, ply say, what is at stake here is the today, it has been calmness, coolness, Mr. President. Balance the Federal fact that we cannot get together. and very conscientious efforts on be- budget and do it now. Put together What is at stake is the President of half of those in attendance to try to what you promised us in last year’s the United States and others who were bring this to resolve. election that you would do.’’ Are we negotiating last night said, ‘‘OK, 7 I know the distinguished majority once again going to be the traditional years. We will work for a 7-year bal- leader, Mr. DOLE, is going to be work- politician of Washington and tell the anced budget but we are not going to ing through the early evening. I hope citizens one thing and then bow to the accept what I think is being tried to be to work with him on this matter. pressure to do something else? I say no, dictated to by the Speaker of the One last comment. The distinguished absolutely no. It is time we send a mes- House of Representatives.’’ colleague, a member of the Armed sage to the American people that we We are in a very serious situation. I Services Committee, mentioned the au- mean exactly what we told them. looked at the clippings from the news- thorization bill. I say that Chairman Mr. President, we have people out of papers back home today. One headline THURMOND has been working through work on the Federal payroll today be- says ‘‘GOP Puts Wrapping on Budget late last night and again this morning cause of you. You are the one who ve- Package;’’ ‘‘Return to Sender Seen as with the ranking member, Mr. NUNN, toed the bills. You are the one who is Response.’’ and other members of the committee. now saying you will veto the DOD ap- Here is another: ‘‘Gingrich’s Re- I am pleased to say I think we are propriations bill. marks Fuel Democrats’ Budget Fight.’’ making some progress on that bill to Senator STEVENS from Alaska was in Down below that a headline, ‘‘Park bring it to a conclusion and soon, hope- here very distressed, as he should be, Service to Evict Campers.’’ fully, present it to the Senate, the con- that we have now done our work and Then, of course, ‘‘Veto Expected As ference report. tonight a bill that will put hundreds of House OK’s Defense Funds.’’ That is I yield the floor. thousands of men and women, both ci- what has been addressed here. f vilian and in uniform, back to work— I simply say, Mr. President, that if this President says ‘‘No, I will veto it.’’ we could have the continuing resolu- BALANCE THE BUDGET Why? Because ‘‘It does not meet my tion that we have been pleading for, on Mr. CRAIG. Mr. President, America goal.’’ a short-term basis, that has been con- is watching what we do here today, or Mr. President, check in the Constitu- tinually rejected by the Republicans, more importantly, what we fail to do. I tion. Read the Constitution. Who budg- primarily led, I suspect, by Speaker think they are watching with a much ets for our Government? We do. You November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17465 execute the budget, Mr. President. I will tell you that is a gun to no part of any implementation force, unless That is what the Constitution says. one’s head. That is simply what the funds for such deployment are specifically I have advocated giving the President American people want. The hand- appropriated by law. more authority. In the balanced budget wringing is over with. We have spent 30 f amendment that I helped craft it has years playing this game, and I sin- MEASURES REFERRED been the No. 1 amendment here on the cerely believe the game is over. It is floor of the Senate and in the House for now time to realize we must do what The following bill was read the first well over 5 years. We have given the the American people asked us to do and and send times by unanimous consent President a right to become a full par- do so in a responsible fashion. and referred as indicated: ticipant in the budget process but he I yield the remainder of my time. H.R. 2606. An act to prohibit the use of does not have that right now. f funds appropriated to the Department of De- Yes, he can veto. But when he vetoes, fense from being used for the deployment on it is without question his responsibil- RECESS SUBJECT TO THE CALL OF the ground of United States Armed Forces in ity for the people who are no longer THE CHAIR the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina as part of any peacekeeping operation, or as employed by action of that veto. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Under So we crafted another continuing res- part of any implementation force, unless the previous order, the Senate stands olution and he said, ‘‘I will veto it. funds for such deployment are specifically in recess, subject to the call of the appropriated by law; to the Committee on Don’t send it down,’’ and it has not Chair. Foreign Relations. gone down. Last night we passed a balanced Thereupon, at 5:02 p.m., the Senate f recessed until 6:47 p.m.; whereupon, the budget for 1995. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES This President says he will veto it. Senate reassembled when called to Mr. President, this is one Senator who order by the Presiding Officer (Mr. The following reports of committees is not going to bow to that kind of GORTON). were submitted: pressure. I will not vote for a goal or a f By Mr. PRESSLER, from the Committee concept or an ideal. And I encourage on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, all of my colleagues not to vote that MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE with an amendment in the nature of a sub- way either. We will vote for a balanced RECEIVED DURING RECESS stitute: Under the authority of the order of S. 1396. A bill to amend title 49, United budget in 7 years and we will vote for States Code, to provide for the regulation of it based on legitimate, legal, respon- the Senate of January 4, 1995, the Sec- surface transportation. sible figures that tell the truth and retary of the Senate, on November 18, f show the American public exactly what 1995, during the recess of the Senate, we are spending and where we are received a message from the House of ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS spending it and where the revenue to Representatives announcing that the spend is coming from. That is what Speaker has signed the following en- this Government and that is what this rolled bills: BUDGET RECONCILIATION Congress must do, without question or H.R 2020. An act making appropriations for CONFERENCE REPORT without doubt. the Treasury Department, the United States ∑ Mr. LEVIN. Mr. President, yester- For, if we do not, the clock continues Postal Service, the Executive Office of the day, with the Senate’s consideration of to tick. A $5 trillion debt, a $5.1 tril- President, and certain Independent Agencies, the Budget Reconciliation bill, the rub- lion, $5.2 trillion, a $5.3 trillion, and on for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1996, ber really met the road. This is the real and on and on. And the children of to- and for other purposes. H.R. 2126. An act making appropriations thing. morrow are going to owe, not $15,000 or for the Department of Defense for the fiscal We have been warning for some time $16,000 or $17,000 of their earnings back year ending September 30, 1996, and for other now that this bill would represent the to Government for the debt we created, purposes. extreme priorities set largely by the it will be $20,000 or $25,000 or $30,000 or f $40,000. The American people are majority in the other House. The budg- et reconciliation bill which the con- smarter than that. How possibly can MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE ference set us—conference which effec- we continue to do that? At 4 p.m., a message from the House That is why we saw the greatest po- tively excluded Democrats—and which of Representatives, delivered by Mr. litical realignment ever in the history the Senate passed on near party lines, Hays, one of its reading clerks, an- of our country occur last November, included a very large cut in Medicare. nounced that the House agrees to the because finally the American people The $270 billion cut is three times what report of the committee of conference said, ‘‘Enough is enough.’’ Mr. Presi- is necessary to stabilize the trust fund. on the disagreeing votes of the two dent, hear me: I will not bow to the These plus a cap on direct student Houses on the amendments of the goal or the concept or the idea, because loans, reductions in the earned Income I know what you want. You have al- House to the bill (S. 440) to amend title tax credit for working Americans, all, ready indicated it. You want billions 23, United States Code, to provide for in part, are to pay for a large tax more to spend for programs that are the designation of the National High- break, the benefits of which will go questionable in their nature as to the way System, and for other purposes. mainly to the wealthiest among us. services they provide. The message also announced that the There are a number of other short- The American people want a bal- House has passed the following joint sighted changes in Federal programs anced budget. We have now labored resolution, in which it requests the including cuts in child nutrition pro- nearly 11 months to craft a budget and concurrence of the Senate: grams. bring it into that concept and into H.J. Res. 123. Joint resolution making fur- Mr. President, for the past week we those parameters. It has not been just ther continuing appropriations for the fiscal have seen the Speaker of the House and the Republicans that have done that; it year 1996, and for other purposes. Republican majority irresponsibly shut is Republican and Democrat alike. At 6:49 p.m., a message from the down large parts of the Government So I hope our leadership will not House of Representatives, delivered by and threaten the credit rating of the bend. I hope our leadership will listen Ms. Goetz, one of its reading clerks, an- United States. This is a long-planned to their people and listen to the phone nounced that the House has passed the tactic to force the President to accept calls. Adhere to a balanced budget. Ad- following bill, in which it requests the their extreme budget priorities. Now, here to the tough decisions. Say to this concurrence of the Senate: those priorities are laid bare in this President, if you will not agree with bill for all to see. us, then we will continue our work. We H.R. 2606. An act to prohibit the use of The issue isn’t whether one favors a funds appropriated to the Department of De- will not recess, as I have encouraged fense from being used for the deployment on balanced budget. I do. I have voted for our leader not to do, and we will bring the ground of United States Armed Forces in one on more than one occasion. down the appropriations bills and we the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina as Let us look at balance, as the Repub- will fund a balanced budget. part of any peacekeeping operation, or as licans have defined it. On the one side, S 17466 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 there are $247 billion in tax breaks, COAST GUARD AUTHORIZATION Many California cruise ship companies which mainly benefit the wealthiest of ACT OF 1995 have bypassed second and third ports of Americans. On the other side, for ordi- Mrs. BOXER. Mr. President, late last call within California. nary, middle-income Americans, there night the Senate passed unanimously The law to prohibit gambling cruises will be increases in Medicare pre- the Coast Guard Authorization Act of to nowhere has had the effect of dis- miums, increases in college loan costs, 1995, including my legislation, the Cali- couraging cruise ships from traveling and for some working Americans with fornia Cruise Industry Revitalization between California ports, even if the wages under $30,000 per year, a $32 bil- Act. voyage is part of an interstate or inter- lion tax increase. The tax increase on At long last, this legislation has left national journey. In effect, a cruise those receiving the earned income tax the dock, and once we work out dif- ship traveling from Los Angeles to San credit hurts America’s most vulnerable ferences with the House on other provi- Diego could no longer open its casinos, workers, including more than 4 million sions, we will finally put my State’s even in international waters. But if the workers who make less than $10,000. cruise industry back on track, provid- ship bypassed San Diego and sailed di- Overall, according to U.S. Treasury ing jobs and tourist revenue for Cali- rectly to a foreign port, it could open data, 12.6 million household would have fornia. its casinos as soon as it was in inter- their earned income tax credit reduced I would like to express my apprecia- national waters. under this legislation. 7.7 million tion to the bipartisan leadership of the According to the Port of San Diego, households would see a net increase in Commerce, Science, and Transpor- that port alone has lost $78 million in taxes. tation Committee for their work in economic impact, hundreds of jobs and moving this important authorization over 300 cruise ship calls. That is more These priorities are wrong. I have than two-thirds of its cruise ship busi- supported a balanced budget. I have bill for the U.S. Coast Guard to the Senate floor for passage. I particularly ness. supported a budget balanced in 7 years. Los Angeles has lost business as well, But, I cannot accept, and I do not be- wish to thank my Environment and Public Works Committee chairman, with the projected loss of port revenue lieve the President will sign a budget is $3 million, with 118 annual vessel as skewed as the one which is before us Senator CHAFEE, for his diligent effort to fashion a compromise on the dif- calls at risk. Beyond the port, the eco- today. The issue is not whether to bal- nomic impact to the city amounts to ance the budget or when to balance the ficult issues raised in the House ver- sion of this legislation that fall within $14 million in tourism and $26 million budget. The issue is how to balance the in retail sales. The total impact esti- budget. his committee’s jurisdiction. This Coast Guard bill includes a pro- mated by the Port of Los Angeles is an The Republicans have tried to strong vision that is critical to a key element estimated $159 million and 2,400 direct arm the President into accepting these of my State’s economy, California and indirect jobs. priorities. They planned this course tourism, particularly our cruise ship Ports all along the coast from Hum- months ago. It’s bad enough that the industry and the jobs that depend on it. boldt Bay to San Diego have suffered majority is willing to shut down func- On the first day of the 104th Con- economic losses. For a State still re- tions of the Government which many gress, I introduced legislation, the covering from an economic recession, people rely upon and that they are California Cruise Industry Revitaliza- defense downsizing and back-to-back willing to risk the credit rating of the tion Act, S. 138, to amend the law natural disasters, a blow to a major in- United States. But, to add insult to in- passed by the 102d Congress which al- dustry in the State—tourism—is jury, we have seen from their own lowed gambling on U.S.-flag cruise unfathomable. statements that this is a long-planned ships but that also allowed States to Section 1106 would resolve this prob- tactic. outlaw gambling on ships involved in lem by allowing a cruise ship with gambling devices to make multiple As long ago as April 3, the Washing- intrastate cruises. My legislation ports of call in one State and still be ton Times reported that: would lift the ban on gaming on cruise ships traveling between consecutive considered to be on an interstate or House Speaker Newt Gingrich vowed yes- California ports. The Commerce Com- international voyage, if the ship terday to create a titanic legislative standoff mittee this summer agreed to include reaches an out-of-State or foreign port with President Clinton by adding vetoed bills my legislation as section 1106 in the within 3 days. to must pass legislation increasing the na- Gambling operations still would be tional debt ceiling. Coast Guard Authorization Act of 1995. Let me explain why this provision is permitted only in international waters. And in May, House Budget Commit- so important to my State. The effect would expand only the non- tee Chairman JOHN KASICH said, In 1992, subsequent to the congres- gambling aspects of cruise ship tourism sional action, the California Legisla- by permitting more ports of call within We’ll probably have a few train wrecks, but ture dealt the State’s tourism industry the State. California is the only State that’s always helpful in a revolution. a severe blow by passing a law prohib- affected by this bill. In September, Speaker GINGRICH said, iting on-board gambling. However, it Mr. President, former Congress- failed to distinguish between cruise woman Lynn Schenk had labored tire- I don’t care what the price is. I don’t care ships making multiple ports of call in lessly to include this legislation in the if we have no executive offices and no bonds House Coast Guard bill. Unfortunately, for 60 days—not this time. the State while on an interstate voy- age, and the so-called cruises to no- the bill died in the Senate last year It is clear again why the majority where whose only purpose is shipboard when the Coast Guard bill was lumped has been holding the Government hos- gambling. together with other maritime legisla- tage. They have a set of budget prior- Consequently, California’s cruise ship tion that stalled. ities which do not fare well in the light industry, which had been growing at an The future of California’s cruise in- of day. They are bad for senior citizens, average annual rate of 17 percent since dustry rides on this provision. An iden- bad for children, bad for working 1989, began to run aground because tical provision is contained in the Americans. So, let’s get on with it. cruise lines immediately revised their House version of the Coast Guard au- They can pass it, they have the votes. itineraries. The State’s share of the thorization bill. I urge my colleagues The President will veto it. And then, global cruise ship business has dropped to swiftly resolve the other issues in we can get on to the real business of re- from 10 percent to 7 percent at the conference and send the bill to the solving our differences. Negotiations same time growth in the cruise ship President for his signature.∑ need to go forward to reach a biparti- business overall has climbed 10 percent f san agreement, so that we can reach a a year. genuine balance budget with a time My legislation is essential to restor- ANNIVERSARY OF LEBANON’S certain and with the right priorities. ing California’s cruise ship industry INDEPENDENCE This is how our system works. Let us which has lost hundreds of jobs and ∑ Mr. LEVIN. Mr. President, this get reasonable people around the table. more than $250 million in tourist reve- month we mark the 52d anniversary of America is waiting.∑ nue since the State law’s enactment. the independence of Lebanon. Each November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S 17467 year as we mark the anniversary, Leb- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The ma- sion next week. So we will convene to- anese-Americans and the friends of jority leader is recognized. morrow, hopefully to work out, or con- Lebanon reflect on Lebanon’s past and Mr. DOLE. Thank you, Mr. President. tinue to work out, some agreement on look ahead as it rebuilds for the future. f the continuing resolution. Six years after World War I, Lebanon I yield the floor to the Senator from was declared a republic, through still ORDERS FOR SUNDAY, NOVEMBER Virginia. under French mandate. When France’s 19, 1995 Mr. WARNER addressed the Chair. World War II Vichy government was Mr. DOLE. Mr. President, I ask unan- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- forced to surrender to Allied forces in imous consent that when the Senate ator from Virginia. July 1941, the Free French officially de- completes its business today it stand in Mr. WARNER. Mr. President, I ex- clared Lebanon independent on Novem- adjournment until the hour of 2:30, press my appreciation to the majority ber 26. Elections took place during the p.m., Sunday, November 19, that fol- leader. We started out early this morn- summer of 1943, and by November 1943, lowing the prayer, the Journal of pro- ing and, indeed, worked through much when the new government took over, ceedings be approved to date, no reso- of the day in very serious meetings, the French mandate was effectively lutions come over under the rule, the two of those meetings with the Speak- terminated. call of the calendar be dispensed with, er of the House. Throughout, the ma- In the same year, Christian and Mos- and the morning hour be deemed to jority leader has expressed great com- lem leaders in Lebanon negotiated an have expired, the time for the two lead- passion for those who have been fur- agreement called the National Pact, ers be reserved for their use later in loughed. which defined Lebanon as a distinct, the day, and there then be the period Once again, both the leadership of sovereign country. The agreement was for morning business with Senators the Senate and the House wish to con- based on the principle of equitable reli- permitted to speak for up to 10 minutes firm in one way or another that we are gious representation in government each. going to see that there will be no loss and administration. The country’s The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without of pay, and we express our profound Maronite Christian, Sunni Moslem, objection, it is so ordered. compassion for the stress and the Shia Moslem, and Druze populations f strain brought upon families. Repeat- were all represented in Lebanon’s new edly in the most recent meeting of an parliament. PROGRAM hour ago with the Speaker, our distin- Lebanon’s new system of government Mr. DOLE. Mr. President, let me in- functioned effectively until 1975, when guished leader said time and time dicate, for the information of all Sen- again, he knows the great concern with the country was thrust into a civil war. ators, that we have presented the Tragic domestic upheaval persisted these individuals and their families. So Democratic leader with a counteroffer that will be done. until 1989, the year that the Taif on how we can end this impasse as far Of course, the proposition that we Agreement ended the civil war. The as the partial shutdown of the Govern- sent down to the President again pre- Taif Agreement was intended to lead to ment is concerned. I know that Sen- serves that 7-year balanced budget. full restoration of Lebanon’s sov- ator DOMENICI, chairman of the Budget That is, in my judgment, the keystone ereignty, independence, and territorial Committee, and Congressman KASICH, and the arch we hope to build to solve integrity. chairman of the House Budget Commit- this between the executive and the leg- Of course, the Taif Agreement has tee, will be calling Leon Panetta, the islative branches. not yet led to the fulfillment of these President’s Chief of Staff—may have goals. However, it has been a stepping called him by now or will be calling So, again, I express my appreciation stone toward peace in Lebanon. Beirut soon. to the leader. is more tranquil and Lebanon’s free- Hopefully, they can meet with Mr. Mr. DOLE. Mr. President, we do have market economy continues to recover Panetta tomorrow, early afternoon, a continuing resolution that has been after the years of turmoil the civil war about 1 o’clock. So it seems to me, in passed by the House and the Senate produced. Despite these successes, Leb- the event something should occur, that which we will be pleased to send to the anon continues to suffer the presence we should be at least prepared to act President if there is some indication of foreign soldiers, further hindering on it in the U.S. Senate. Sunday ses- the President will sign it. I think he the rebuilding of the country. sions are extraordinary, but in this cir- has indicated to the contrary. So we Peace within Lebanon depends great- cumstance I think it is very appro- will not, at least at this moment, send ly on peaceful relations with its neigh- priate. it to the President. bors. This peace cannot permanently So we will come in at 2:30 in the We did send, again for the informa- take root in Lebanon until Lebanon is afternoon. I hope we can resolve this tion of all of our colleagues, three ap- able to fully regain its national sov- matter tomorrow. The House also propriations bills to the President ereignty and settle is differences with would be available, I think within a today: Defense appropriations, a very its neighbors in the region. few hours, I am told by the Speaker, to important bill. If he would sign that I believe it is important for the Leba- assemble enough House Members to bill, I am told by Senator STEVENS nese people, as well as anyone who take action in the event that it is nec- from Alaska, chairman of that sub- holds an interest in the region, to essary tomorrow. committee, 183,000 people could go honor Lebanon’s independence and to So, if we can, I would say to my col- back to work. That is a big, big bill. reflect on the spirit of the agreement leagues, whose staff may be listening, That is about a fourth of those pres- on which modern Lebanon was founded. or just for their information, if there ently furloughed. Lebanon has shown its great resilience. should be a rollcall vote, we will give So I hope the President will take a And, the Lebanese people, in all of everybody adequate time to be here. So careful look at the defense appropria- their diversity, have shown their abil- I would not be concerned about that. If tions bill. In addition, the White House ity, in the past, to work together we should reach an agreement, I hope has now received the legislative appro- peacefully for a stronger Lebanon. We that we could do it on a voice vote be- priations bill and the Treasury-Post all hope that the future of Lebanon is cause some of our Members would have Office appropriations bill. I understand bright, and that the people of Lebanon to come long distances. that the President may sign those two will come together to build on this Of course, if we should reach agree- pieces of legislation which, again, will land’s rich heritage.∑ ment tomorrow, we will not be in ses- take off some of the strain. S 17468 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE November 18, 1995 But I want to make the point, this is So I hope we can continue to work. Senate, I ask unanimous consent that not just about people being furloughed. Most of us will be happy to meet later the Senate stand in adjournment under This is about a fundamental difference this evening if there is any opportunity the previous order. to work out a successful agreement. on how we achieve a balanced budget There being no objection, the Senate, and whether we achieve it in 7 years, as f at 6:53 p.m., adjourned until Sunday, the Republican Congress feels we can, ADJOURNMENT UNTIL 2:30 P.M. November 19, 1995, at 2:30 p.m. or whether it is 8 years, 9 years, 10 TOMORROW years or maybe 7 years, if the Presi- dent would agree. Mr. DOLE. Mr. President, if there is no further business to come before the Saturday, November 18, 1995 Daily Digest Senate Chamber Action Additional Statements: Pages 17465±67 Adjournment: Senate convened at 9:15 a.m., and Routine Proceedings, pages S17421–S17468 adjourned at 6:53 p.m., until 2:30 p.m., on Sunday, Measures Reported: Reports were made as follows: November 19, 1995. (For Senate’s program, see the S. 1396, to amend title 49, United States Code, remarks of the Majority Leader in today’s RECORD to provide for the regulation of surface transpor- on pages S17467–68.) tation, with an amendment in the nature of a sub- stitute. Page S17465 Messages From the House: Page S17465 Committee Meetings Measures Referred: Page S17465 No committee meetings were held. h House of Representatives Consideration of Suspensions: House agreed to H. Chamber Action Res. 275, providing for consideration of motions to Bills Introduced: 3 public bills, H.R. 2664–2666; suspend the rules. Agreed to order the previous and 2 resolutions, H.J. Res. 125–126 were intro- question on the rule by a yea-and-nay vote 247 yeas duced. Pages H13340±41 to 169 nays, Roll No. 817. Page H13307±18 Report Filed: One report was filed as follows: H. Budget Reconciliation: House agreed to H. Res. Res. 280 waiving points of order against the con- 279, providing for the consideration of the Senate ference report on H.R. 2009, making appropriations amendment to H.R. 2491, to provide for reconcili- for the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing ation pursuant to section 105 of the concurrent reso- and Urban Development, and for sundry independ- lution on the budget for fiscal year 1996. ent agencies, boards, commissions, corporations, and Pages H13318±19 offices for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1996 Recess: House recessed at 12:45 p.m. and recon- (H. Rept. 104–355). Page H13340 vened at 1:20 p.m. Page H13319 Speaker Pro Tempore: Read a letter from the National Highway System Designation: House Speaker wherein he designates Representative agreed to the conference report on S. 440, to amend Goodlatte to act as Speaker pro tempore for today. title 23, United States Code, to provide for the des- Page H13299 ignation of the National Highway System—clearing Three-Day Rule Waiver: House agreed to H. Res. the measure for the President. Pages H13319±25 276, waiving a requirement of clause 4(b) of rule XI Targeted Continuing Resolution: By a yea-and-nay with respect to consideration of certain resolutions vote of 416 yeas, Roll No. 818, the House voted to reported from the Committee on Rules. suspend the rules and pass H.J. Res. 123, making Pages H13299±H13306 further continuing appropriations for the fiscal year Motion To Proceed: By a yea-and-nay vote of 199 1996. Pages H13325±32 yeas to 189 nays with 26 voting ‘‘present,’’ the Motion To Adjourn: By a yea-and-nay vote of 32 House agreed to the DeLay motion that Representa- yeas to 361 nays with 1 voting ‘‘present,’’ Roll No. tive Mica be permitted to proceed in order. 819, the House failed to agree to the Linder motion Pages H13313±14 to adjourn. Page H13333 D 1372 November 18, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — DAILY DIGEST D 1373

Senate Messages: Message received from the Senate current resolution on the budget for fiscal year 1966; today appears on page H13306. with the Senate amendment thereto. The rule pro- Quorum Calls—Votes: Four yea-and-nay votes de- vides for the consideration of a motion by the Budg- veloped during the proceedings of the House today et Committee chairman to concur in the Senate and appear on pages H13313–14, H13317–18, amendment. The motion and the amendment are H13332, and H13333. considered as read. The rule provides one hour of de- bate on the motion divided between the proponent Recess: House recessed at 3:14 p.m. and reconvened and an opponent. The previous question is consid- at 10 p.m.; and recessed at 10:01 p.m. until 9 a.m. ered ordered to final adoption without intervening Sunday, November 19. motion. Committee Meetings f VA–HUD APPROPRIATIONS CONGRESSIONAL PROGRAM AHEAD Committee on Rules: Granted, by voice vote, a rule Week of November 20 through 25, 1995 waiving all points of order against the conference re- port on H.R. 2099, making appropriations for the Senate Chamber Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and During the week, Senate may consider further Urban Development, and for sundry independent continuing appropriations, if necessary, conference agencies, boards, commissions, corporations, and of- reports (when available), and any cleared legislative fices for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1996; and executive business. and against its consideration. The rule further pro- vides that if the conference report is adopted, then Senate Committees a motion that the House insist on its disagreement No committee meetings are scheduled. to Senate amendment 63 shall be considered as adopted. Testimony was heard from Representative House Committees Lewis of California. Committee on Commerce, November 21, Subcommittee on BALANCED BUDGET RECONCILIATION Commerce, Trade, and Hazardous Materials, to mark up ACT H.R. 2036, Land Disposal Program Flexibility Act of 1995, 10 a.m., 2123 Rayburn. Committee on Rules: Granted, by voice vote, a rule Committee on Government Reform and Oversight, November providing for taking from the Speaker’s table with- 21, Subcommittee on Civil Service, hearing on ‘‘Govern- out intervening point of order H.R. 2491, to provide ment Shutdown: What’s Essential,’’ 9 a.m., 2154 Ray- for reconciliation pursuant to section 105 of the con- burn. D 1374 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — DAILY DIGEST November 18, 1995

Next Meeting of the SENATE Next Meeting of the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 2:30 p.m., Sunday, November 19 9 a.m., Sunday, November 19

Senate Chamber House Chamber Program for Sunday: Senate may consider further con- Program for Sunday: No legislative business is sched- tinuing appropriations. uled.

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