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Monday, March 23, 1998 CANADA VOLUME 135 S NUMBER 078 S 1st SESSION S 36th PARLIAMENT OFFICIAL REPORT (HANSARD) Monday, March 23, 1998 Speaker: The Honourable Gilbert Parent CONTENTS (Table of Contents appears at back of this issue.) All parliamentary publications are available on the ``Parliamentary Internet Parlementaire'' at the following address: http://www.parl.gc.ca 5173 HOUSE OF COMMONS Monday, March 23, 1998 The House met at 11 a.m. The Canadian forces liaison council has been very successful. More than 3,000 employers have indicated their support of the _______________ reserve force in writing, including more than 1,700 who have adopted a military leave policy. Prayers Some employers also pay the difference between military and _______________ civilian pay and other employers are even giving two additional weeks’ leave for courses in the reserve. PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BUSINESS I acknowledge that the Canadian forces liaison council has done a wonderful job. However, its role has been limited to the private D (1100) sector and there is room for improvement, in particular when it comes to the need for the federal government to take a leadership [English] role in allowing its employees to participate in reserve training. RESERVE FORCE ACT This first came to my attention in 1994 when the then chief of Mr. Jim Hart (Okanagan—Coquihalla, Ref.) moved that Bill defence staff, General John de Chastelain, appeared before the C-232, an act to facilitate participation in the reserve force, be read special joint committee reviewing Canada’s defence policy. the second time and referred to a committee. When I posed a question to the chief of the defence staff on this He said: Madam Speaker, I rise today on behalf of the people of issue he told the committee that the federal government was the Okanagan—Coquihalla to speak to my private member’s Bill worst offender in allowing training time for reservists. C-232, the citizen soldier act. This bill will entitle employees of the federal government to a period of leave not exceeding two months Again in 1995, after the report on restructuring the reserves was annually for the purpose of training in the Canadian Armed Forces presented to the Minister of National Defence and then to the reserve. This legislation does not affect the private sector and House committee on defence and veterans affairs, I asked the private sector employers. members of the commission, the three commissioners, again to The question of legislating employers to allow training time for confirm whether or not the federal government was playing a reservists with full time employment has been a contentious issue proactive role in allowing reservists the training time they required for some time now and, in particular, since the increased contribu- to participate in the Canadian Armed Forces. Again they agreed tions in military activity since the early 1980s. with me that the Government of Canada, the federal government, the largest employer in our nation, was not in fact promoting In response to the problem a national organization called the reserve friendly policies in office protocol. Canadian Armed Forces Liaison Council was designed. It was first established in 1978 with a goal that was not aggressive enough to There it is. A contradiction exists. On the one hand the govern- accomplish its mandate of bringing more employers into agree- ment encourages private sector employers to have their employees ment with allowing reservists to participate in the Canadian Armed participate in reserve training through the Canadian forces liaison Forces reserve. council. On the other hand, public service employees are not D (1105) receiving that same encouragement. Bill C-232 addresses that discrepancy. In 1992 it was reorganized, given its present name and a new, more challenging mandate. The Canadian forces liaison council’s When surveying different defence associations across the coun- mandate not only includes promoting reserves to the business try about my bill, I received a letter from Lieutenant Colonel D.W. community, but also advances reservists’ concerns to business and Wright, representing the Royal Canadian Armoured Corps Associ- works directly with employers in the area of recruitment. ation. He said that the Government of Canada has provided for 5174 COMMONS DEBATES March 23, 1998 Private Members’ Business limited military leave within the Public Service Staff Relations of Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick to assist in humanitarian Act. Employees are permitted to receive a leave of absence for relief. military duty and may elect to receive either their government salary or their military per diem. Similarly, last year’s floods in the Red River Valley required the deployment of some 500 reservists. He goes on to say that, unfortunately, the regulation is permis- sive rather than directive and most often thwarted by supervisors On the international scene, 800 UN peacekeepers, or 20% of who exercise the ultimate discretion. Canada’s entire UN commitment during the UNPROFOR mission in Yugoslavia were reservists, part time soldiers, citizen soldiers. I will repeat that because it is very important and very disturbing In 1993 it is interesting to note that Canadian soldiers fought for people who wish to serve their country through the reserve their biggest battle since the Korean war. The battle in the Medak force. He said that the policy is most often thwarted by supervisors pocket pitted Canadian personnel and French troops against the in the federal government who exercise the ultimate discretion. war-hardened Croatian army. More than half of that proud troop Therefore that means the reservists must devote their annual was made up of citizen soldiers, reservists from the militia in holidays which they have earned through their work with the Canada. federal government to meet their training obligations. The Canadians won the battle. It was a true success for our It is with this poor record of the federal government in mind that Canadian Armed Forces, for reservists and for the total force I introduced Bill C-232. This bill does not attempt to supersede the operation. fine work done by the Canadian forces liaison council in the Canadian business community. Reservists continue to play an important role in the Canadian Armed Forces as part of the total force. They serve with distinction The Minister of National Defence, through the Canadian forces domestically and internationally and remain a vital link between liaison council, would still be able to negotiate with private sector the Canadian military and society at large. employers training time for private sector reservists. This bill does not affect them in any way, shape or form. What it does is directly The federal government, as Canada’s largest employer, should attempt to address the poor record of the federal government when create an environment where individuals can explore service in the it comes to reserve training. With Bill C-232 I hope to accomplish reserves and serve their country. For example, militia units gener- three fundamental things: one, to enhance participation in the ally are made up with over 60% of their soldiers being either Canadian Armed Forces reserve; two, to ensure reservists receive students, seasonal workers or unemployed persons. These soldiers the training required for effective augmentation of the regular have very few problems when it comes to finding the necessary forces; and third, to lay the groundwork for a national mobilization time to train. However, once the militia reservist has finished their plan for Canada. schooling and finds a full time job, the reality is that their priorities change. They tend to quit the reserves, quit the militia unit, and go into civilian life. They see this option as being easier than juggling D (1110) their lives to ensure time for work, friends and the militia. These soldiers, in a way, are being punished for trying to keep a regular Participation in the reserves can benefit employers tenfold. job and a regular life while trying to serve the government and Through their part time military experience reservists acquire Canada as well. many skills that are transferable to their jobs, including leadership, discipline and loyalty. Often reservists acquire special technical This bill is designed to enhance participation in the reserve from skills which they can use in their specific trade or profession in all walks of life, not just from the ranks of students and the their civilian life. unemployed. The federal government must take a leading role in facilitating participation in the Canadian Armed Forces reserve. As an employer, government departments and agencies can help Many employers have discovered the tremendous value of individuals balance their careers with a desire to serve their reserve training and education as their employees become more country. productive, more capable and highly motivated. All they ask in return from their employer is to train and upgrade through their This attitude will filter down to smaller private sector employ- military qualifications. ers. This is a very important point. One of the reasons for this bill is leadership by example. We want the federal government to do what In the past few years Canadians have had the opportunity to the federal government is asking the private sector to do through examine firsthand the role reservists play domestically and interna- the Canadian Armed Forces liaison council. tionally. I thought I would take just a few moments to talk about those instances. D (1115) Most recently, of course, the ice storm in eastern Canada This will have two dramatic impacts. First, many working required the deployment of some 4,000 reservists to the provinces Canadians will have the opportunity to consider serving their March 23, 1998 COMMONS DEBATES 5175 Private Members’ Business country part time in the reserves. Second, the reserves and the Another important point in my bill is forced generation.
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