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Wednesday Volume 604 13 January 2016 No. 96 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Wednesday 13 January 2016 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2016 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 839 13 JANUARY 2016 840 the Chamber regarding S4C’s funding. Given that House of Commons consensus, will he remind his colleagues at DCMS that he has a statutory duty to protect S4C’s funding? Will Wednesday 13 January 2016 he also join us in offering his personal support for an independent review of S4C? The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock Alun Cairns: The hon. Lady took part in that debate PRAYERS and she will recognise the way in which the Minister responded. He said that he was listening to the arguments [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] and that he wanted to engage as positively as he could. I hope that she recognises the spirit in which that was intended. Oral Answers to Questions Liz Saville Roberts (Dwyfor Meirionnydd) (PC): Last July, the Culture Secretary and the Treasury informed WALES the director-general of the BBC in a letter that S4C’s grant might be cut by the same percentage reduction as the BBC itself and that: The Secretary of State was asked— “It will be up to the Government to decide how to make up the shortfall.” S4C: Funding This is therefore not the only Government-driven cut 1. Mr Mark Williams (Ceredigion) (LD): What facing S4C. What additional funds will the Government discussions he has had with the Secretary of State for be providing over and above these DMCS cuts? Culture, Media and Sport on future funding of S4C. [902938] Alun Cairns: As the hon. Lady knows, charter renewal negotiations and discussions are under way at the moment, 4. Carolyn Harris (Swansea East) (Lab): What and I do not want to pre-empt any of the issues that will discussions he has had with the Secretary of State for come out of that. Clearly, there will be a widespread Culture, Media and Sport on future funding of S4C. consultation and I hope that she and other Members [902942] will engage positively in it. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Wales Liz Saville Roberts: I understand, of course, that we (Alun Cairns): The Secretary of State and I have regular are facing the BBC charter consultation, but given the discussions with Cabinet colleagues which provide BBC’s response in the current situation there is surely opportunities to discuss a range of issues, including now room for cross-party consensus on Silk II’s matters related to the funding of services across Wales recommendation that the funding of the public expenditure such as the future funding of S4C. element of S4C should be devolved to the National Assembly for Wales. Mr Williams: The Prime Minister said last week at the Dispatch Box that he wanted to Alun Cairns: I do not accept the basis of the question. “meet…the wording and the spirit of our manifesto promise”, During my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State’s on S4C, which stated: discussion that led to the St David’s day agreement, “We would safeguard the funding and editorial independence there was not agreement on this issue. We are keen to of S4C.” progress in consensus so that we can take everyone In the light of last week’s commitment, may I invite the forward. We need to remember that it was a Conservative Minister to make it clear that the Government will Government who established S4C, which has been a abandon the proposed cuts to the DCMS part of S4C’s great success since 1982. I hope that the hon. Lady will budget and undertake a review of the future funding share in and recognise that success. needs of S4C? Alun Cairns: We will meet our manifesto commitment Susan Elan Jones (Clwyd South) (Lab): What complete to waffle from the Minister! The Tory party manifesto said only last spring that that party was committed in “safeguard the funding and editorial independence of S4C.” government to safeguarding The hon. Gentleman will have heard the Prime Minister “the funding and editorial independence of S4C”, say that we would “meet…the wording and spirit of our manifesto commitment.”— yet now we are talking of a cut from the DCMS budget [Official Report, 6 January 2016; Vol. 604, c. 281.] of a quarter of its funding. [Interruption.] The Secretary He will also remember that on the evening before there of State is asking for my question. It is simply this: why was a debate proposed by my hon. Friend the Member will the Government not safeguard the funding, and for Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire (Simon why is that quarter of the DCMS funding budget still Hart) to which the Minister for Culture and the Digital under consideration? It is a disgrace. How can we trust Economy responded by saying that he was looking at them on any other commitment they make? the arguments and keen to engage positively. Alun Cairns: The hon. Lady will have heard my Carolyn Harris: I am grateful to the Minister for answers to the previous questions. I find it a bit rich that mentioning last Tuesday’s debate because I too want to Labour Members are calling for extra funding for a talk about the wonderful consensus that broke out in Welsh language channel when this morning the First 841 Oral Answers13 JANUARY 2016 Oral Answers 842 Minister in the Assembly is seeking to defend his position Stephen Crabb: My right hon. Friend the former of cutting the budget to support the Welsh language by Secretary of State is right. The Swansea tidal lagoon 5.5%. That is simply a disgrace. proposition is very exciting and commands wide support across the business community in Wales, but we also SMEs need to recognise that the project is asking for a very significant level of public subsidy and intervention. It is 2. Karen Lumley (Redditch) (Con): What assessment absolutely right that my right hon. and hon. Friends in he has made of the adequacy of Government support the Treasury and the Department of Energy and Climate for small and medium-sized businesses in Wales. Change should conduct very robust due diligence in [902939] making sure that such projects will deliver value for the taxpayer. The Secretary of State for Wales (Stephen Crabb): Albert Owen (Ynys Môn) (Lab): One of the issues Our nation’s small businesses are the true heroes of this that small businesses raise with me in my constituency is economic recovery, and I am proud to be part of a the lack of connectivity for superfast broadband and, Government who are on their side. SMEs have created indeed, mobile connections. Now that the Government two thirds of all the new jobs in the private sector in and the Prime Minister agree with me on the universal Wales since 2010. As we continue to reduce regulation obligation for broadband, will the Secretary of State and lower taxes, support for small businesses right help me by supporting a pilot scheme on Ynys Môn, the across the UK has never been stronger. Isle of Anglesey? Karen Lumley: This year is the British Chambers of Stephen Crabb: The hon. Gentleman raises a very Commerce year of action on exports. Will my right important point. We have discussed this many times in hon. Friend update the House on how he is helping Wales questions and debates. Improvements are happening small businesses in Wales to punch above their weight right across Wales, and we are seeing big improvements this year? in internet connectivity and for mobile phones in his constituency and mine. There is much more that we can Stephen Crabb: My hon. Friend raises a very important do. I am very interested to hear about a pilot project in point. We have set ourselves a really ambitious target of Anglesey, which I am happy to discuss with ministerial £1 trillion of exports from the UK by 2020. If we are colleagues. going to have any hope of meeting that target, we need to engage with SMEs right across the UK, especially in Dr James Davies (Vale of Clwyd) (Con): In early Wales. That is why I will be in north Wales tomorrow, December, the UK Government announced £50 million with my right hon. Friend the Minister for Trade and of additional funding to address flooding issues. That Investment, promoting everything that north Wales has figure has Barnett consequentials for Wales of to offer. £2.276 million. Since then, a further £90 million has been announced by the UK Government, and we await Stephen Kinnock (Aberavon) (Lab): The Welsh steel to see what, if any, Barnett consequentials will arise industry plays a critical role in underpinning business from that. On the new money to be allocated to Wales, right across the board, including SMEs, but global will the Secretary of State join me in calling on the headwinds affecting the industry have been growing Welsh Assembly Government to allocate it to St Asaph? stronger. Will the Secretary of State join me and Welsh Many SMEs, as well as local residents, were flooded MPs from all parties in asking for a meeting with his there three years ago, and there is currently a £4 million right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Business, shortfall for the necessary flood defence works. Innovation and Skills to ensure that no stone remains unturned in the fight to save the Welsh steel industry? Stephen Crabb: I absolutely join my hon.